The Joe Rogan Experience - #1666 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: June 11, 2021

Duncan Trussell is a standup comedian, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, and co-creator and star of "The Midnight Gospel" television series.

Welcome to episode 1666. There can be only one. Why? I don't know. It's the rules. Them's the rules. That's a terrible rule. That's like the worst rule. But for episode 1,666, there was only one option.

That was you. Oh, thank you. I'm honored by that. Thank you so much, Joe. It's so nice to be here. Dude, it one option. That was you. Oh, thank you. I'm honored by that. Thank you so much, Joe. It's so nice to be here. Dude, so nice to see you. You're such a good friend that every time I see you, I'm transported. There's no time lost.

You know what I'm saying? Yep. When you're so tight with someone that when you see them again, you're transported. You're immediately back to where I last saw you again. There's no like, hey, God, haven't seen you in a while. How are you? What's going on? It's like, ah!

Yeah. That's real friendship. I mean, that's it. If it's not that, what is it? I'm super concerned about this wig catching fire. We're surrounded by candles, and I believe this wig is flammable. Yeah, that wig is from China. I don't know what it is. That could be some bizarre synthetic. That could be anything. This is the hair of a billionaire who said the wrong shit. No shit. And they just,

they probably made him grow his hair first. Probably kept him in a tunnel somewhere and made him eat rats, rats he could catch yeah and just gave him hair vitamins and then when his hair was long enough to make a wig out of it they let him go that's a lot of work to get some hair yeah now all he does is coach john cena his job is to coach john cena on what to say. Dude, that was weird. That was really weird. That was one of the weirdest things. I'm not a fan of John Cena. No John Cena opinion.

But that was just an odd. It was scary. Because they want, I guess it's just a lot of money, man. The Chinese dollar. Here's how much money it is. Ready for this? That movie made $160 million the opening weekend. I believe $134 million of it was

from china oh god oh god we gotta get in let's do our apologies to china i need to learn mandarin and start talking shit mandarin just say start doing my acting mandarin it sounds cool. It sounds great. Well, amazing. The most impressive thing about that video was not just that China got John Cena to cuck, but also that John Cena speaks perfect Mandarin. Yeah. How long did that take?

It's a mystery. I don't know, man. It was just strange. That's some really, really, the most, it's again, like, you know, when we're watching that fight. Oh, my God. When we're watching that fight last night. And you're just watching it and you're trying to make sense of the new reality. You know, because it's like, you got to accept it.

But he's wearing a Pikachu medallion. Fighting like the best boxer alive today you know and but you have you have to watch it from the perspective of like well this is what is happening now because otherwise you get this weird spinning vertigo like what the fuck universe am i in same thing when you're like watching john cena do some weird apology in Mandarin. It's this sense of like, what? Right. This is a malfunction.

This is a breakdown. Right. I don't get this. When in the history of the United States, like imagine like some old video of like John Wayne doing some apology in another language. It's just weird. It is weird, but it's a warning to everybody, right? The people that don't,

they're not taking this sort of cultural shift seriously. When you see an enormous alpha male in John Cena, John Cena's arms are so big, it looks like they're supposed to be a foot longer, but someone sawed them off and put like a fist here. It's like if my forearm went down only to here and then the fist was there, his wrists are enormous. He's such a gorilla, right?

And to see that guy saying it in Chinese and you read what he actually said, it's hard to say, right? Because one thing, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. I was like, what did he actually say say cuz I don't speak Mandarin right right I wish someone maybe that spoke Mandarin could translate it and and tell me whether or not that was accurate right I'm assuming it was accurate because I haven't heard anything maybe you know people who speak Mandarin must have gotten a hold of it since that sure but it was just weird to see an apology for just saying that a

country exists that's essentially what it was right weird to see an apology for just saying that a country exists that's essentially what it was right he said taiwan is a country and he said that i mean that's all he said wrong like taiwan was going to be the first country to see the movie yeah that's right you can't say that which is bullshit you know also that thing that just popped up, they said it was a mistake. But Bing apparently made it so that if you image search, the Tiananmen Square guy holding the suitcase didn't show up on the day of, on the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre. And so everybody's like, what the fuck? Just like, are you, are you like owned by china now you know that's that's that is a really strange form of invasion isn't it it's like it's not at the normal kind of invasion we're we're thinking about invasions from old historical versions of invasions but

that's not how it works anymore now it's know, if you get your technology into another country, if you become the supplier of a lot of their pharmaceuticals, if you all these things, then you don't really need to invade. You know what I mean? If you've bought up a lot of their property. You don't need to fly with jets. You don't need because you're buying it. And you're like, that's like, to me, that's where countries like the United States, what makes them so amazing is also this huge, terrible weakness, which is they have a permeable membrane. Shit can get in there easier than other places, you know? the ability to like just have a thousand AI bots running various Twitter accounts expressing kind of similar sentiment regarding whatever the fuck it is you want to promote. Yeah.

Woo! That's crazy. You could just warp people's minds any way you want. I mean, you know, we have no, I'm not just talking state agencies either. I mean, just cobbles of like anarchists who feel like just fucking around with the zeitgeist could theoretically just put out a shit ton of bots or phone banks of people putting weird ideas into the culture that you know you hear it enough times you start thinking like i guess that is true right that must be true i don't know if you've ever had the thing happen

where you're just scanning Twitter and you see some completely wrong, like deeply wrong fact in physics, but you didn't, you were just shitting or something. So you're like, well, that's interesting. And then later you repeat it without looking it up to see if it's true. And then you go back to see it. This happened. I mean, you realize like three tweets above that tweet.

It's like the guy's like i'm the reincarnation of marilyn monroe you know what i mean yeah like oh i repeated yeah some fact i heard from a guy who thinks he's the reincarnation of marilyn literally at dinner yeah you know that's what i'm saying is it leaks out. And so it's just trippy. You know, it's just weird to imagine that. Like what country are we even the United States anymore? Is it it's confusing. Right. Because we're really governed by money.

We have no money. We have nothing. Right. Yeah. We run out of money. All bets are off because we don't have money to fix the roads. We don't have money to keep the grid up. Right.

So we have to have a certain amount of money. And one of the things that became abundantly clear during COVID was that we rely on a lot of other countries to make our stuff. You know, like when they were running short of certain supplies and medicine, even they're like, Hey, who, how can we don't make this we don't self-sustain and it made a lot of people think that oh i need to get a garden yeah you know i need to have food in my house i need to be self-sustaining the same way a country needs to be like that but much like the country as soon as we start getting the gears of industry back rolling and moving we forget oh the grid's back on? I forget.

Like out here, the grid went out for a whole fucking week, man. Nobody had power. It was wild. The streets were covered in ice. It was wild. And everybody was like, dude, that's it. I'm going to start storing food and I'm going to start. But then as soon as the power goes on, you got to go back to work.

Most people forget. And I remember when they banned huawei when you couldn't buy huawei phones oh yeah and this is why because i'm a phone dork okay i'm really into phones like i spent a lot of time on youtube watching like mkbhd and watching le from Unbox Therapy, and watching Flossie Carter. I really enjoy watching the technology of phones increase in this really crazy way. I'm fascinated by it. I don't necessarily understand why, because when I look at the applicable uses in my life,

like how much do I use my phone? Like all the capabilities, very little. I text my friends Yeah, I'm like watch a YouTube video take a picture or something. I don't do a lot of shit with my phone, but I'm Fascinated with these goddamn things. I'm fascinated by where they go and I was gonna buy a Huawei I think it was like a mate 10 Pro Porsche edition I was trying to figure out how to get it to work in America

because they work on like, you got to make sure that one works on the right CDMA because they have like different systems overseas and other countries. So I was trying to find out how to buy this and Porsche design was making like the dopest phone. And I was interested in doing this and then all of a sudden I started reading on these forums. They're going to take it down. They're going to not allow a Huawei to sell

anything in America because we caught them doing stuff with like, uh, routers or some shit. I don't remember the whole story, but I remember thinking, Whoa, that's when have you ever heard that before? Well, they said, Hey, a country can't, or a company rather can't sell shit in our country because we think you're compromised by the government of your country you're sneaking in not just like oh they hacked into a router yeah and now they got all the facebook data not like no no no the whole company can't sell shit here anymore yeah you can't sell their phones anymore they were about to go i think they're going to be on at&t and all these other uh like big providers it's like what happened i can't remember which president it was but remember that president like i think it was the russians these cute kids came in and presented

the president with some kind of like gift from russia i think he hung it up on a wall or something and it had a bug in it it was just a bug in in the oval office that they of course that is well but that's similar to wu-wei but for everyone it's the same thing right it's like you get a little i don't know speck of whatever the fuck this weird technology is mixed in with some mass produced stuff that goes all over the planet. And now you can listen not just to like government officials, but to what people are saying. And then get that data, gather it up and then feed it to an AI. So you can replicate the personality of the country. So that thing, you know, like remember the old days, like you'd get a Twitter bot, but

their English was kind of fucked up. Like there was something about it that was like, or, you know, you get a call from one of those, one of those like so fake social security people. They say they're going to delete your social security number. I don't know if you've gotten any of these or not, but like you know they've got an accent they can't yeah they don't obviously the way they're talking you're not from the fucking social security office not because you can't have an accent john cash thrussell's calling you from the social security office yeah you are in non-compliance yeah that is the i the best. I love those calls, by the way,

especially when I'm recording an intro for the podcast. Do you play them? Insta-record. You know what? Generally, I'm late on the record. You can trigger them real quick. They get so mad, and then they'll always say something about fucking your mom,

or your mom's got the biggest dick, and then they'll hang up on you. But my friend Pemberton got one real, like he's got a call up where he got one really, really good. It's just fun to do. But anyway, man, my point is you siphon all this fucking data, feed it to an AI, run that through some kind of voice simulator so it sounds like a person,

and now you've got like a legion of fake americans interacting right and and that's good then you could just control the culture and that's 100 happening yeah well i mean yeah that's 100 happening right now i mean not just from china from russia russia but not just from russia from corporations people have done that with those guys and then called another one and had them talk to each other, and they can't figure out for about an hour what the fuck's happening. Oh, that's so great. Totally makes sense.

I mean, what they're doing with the Internet Research Agency, or at least what they were doing prior to 2016, if we assume that they don't get any more sophisticated over the last four or five years we're gonna be so silly like they This lady Renee Diresta I heard her on Sam Harris's podcast and I got her on mine and she was explaining to me all the research that she did Looking into the how the Russians were making these Facebook page not the Russians just one agency I should say internet research agency They were making these memes, and she's like,

hundreds of thousands of memes, and a lot of them were really funny. She's like, I was really laughing while I was doing this. And she said she got to study how they created these pages, and that's where it was really interesting. Like, they would create these pages, and they would use them for a while, like maybe a Simpsons fan page or something like that, and they would get a certain amount of following, and then they would switch it over to Occupy Wall Street,

or they would switch it over to Black Lives Matter, or they'd switch it over to LBGTQ page, and they would just get a bunch of followers and then just use those followers. Use a ton of hashtags and connect people through hashtags, and they would just try to figure out what sticks. And they would have meme pages, and they would just try to figure out what sticks. And they would have meme pages and they would organize arguments. So they organize a Texas separatist meeting across the street from an Islamic, some Islamic pride rally.

So they got the two of them on catty corner streets. So they're yelling at each other. Like they're like, you ever see that video of the cat and he's on a roof and a crow gets behind him starts fucking with him and then he gets the cat to fight with another cat oh yeah yes you've seen that video yes i've seen it's amazing it's an amazing video this crow is so slick he like fucks with the cat like hey man hey the fuck's going on with you bro yeah the cat's like and then there's another cat that's on another rooftop just like five feet away.

And that cat, he looks at that cat. He's like, man, fuck you. And then why are you staring at me, man? Why are these crows fucking with me? And the crow goes and fucks with him. And the crow literally goes back and forth fucking with cat to cat. And then they jump on each other. And a tumble of bodies fall off the roof.

Yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. That's what the Internet Research Agency is. Yeah. And not just the Internet Research Agency. I mean, this is the thing. It's like this is what I've realized I've been doing is anytime any kind of crazy shit happens, I assign responsibility to some unknown state agency.

Because we think there's no way any normal group of people could do that it's got to be a country with a shit ton of money right no group of people could do that but i'm realizing that is just not the case anymore because the technology that everyone has access to is sufficient to at least like in a really degraded way imitate what you know probably what state agencies are doing meaning that now it's pure anarchy because you know you assume those like whatever the fuck they are the uaps we are all like oh well we know it's not a state agency or if it is we're it's like deeply secret it's like motherfucker you think it's a state agency? What if it's just a group of geniuses who like secretly crack their own thing in their basement and they're like just fucking around with this thing? You know, that's the you know, the the obvious thing coming out now that the everyone suspects that the virus came from the virology lab in the place that was at the epicenter.

Where they used to study the exact virus. Everybody. Not everybody. At first, they were like, oh, fuck. It definitely came from there. And then they're like, well, actually, there's the wet markets there. But anyway, the point is, what if you're like a hyper-eco-environmentalist group? an hyper eco environmentalist group.

And you know that if you engineer this thing, that's got like an extra two weeks or whatever, we're asymptomatic. Like you engineer a thing not to kill people, but to fuck up economies. Right. And then you go to the place where there's an Institute of Virology and you release it there. And of course people are going to be like,

well, it must've come from there, right? Right, that's a good point. We just assume it's from this place or that place. Right. You know what I mean? It could be from anywhere. Well, three people that worked in that lab got sick,

but we're assuming they got sick from that lab. What a great cover if you sprayed them in a restaurant. Yeah, get them to go in there. Right. Get everyone sick. It seems like it comes from there. Dude, shit. Duncan Trussell thinking on a 4D chess scale yeah yeah man i like it well it's scary though

i mean this is again like to me that's the part that's like a little daunting and we are you know is that this shit you know it's not like it's gonna get better it might get better i think uh if any way uh any way that's going to make it better is technology i think technology is going to allow ultimate transparency where you could read minds once you could see clearly see people's intent it's going to chase all the demons into the shadows like roaches with the lights on you're going to see you kind of tell but you kind of allow some of it to exist like when you see like schumer and pelosi kneeling with african garb on and you're like what are you doing what is happening here like what is this weirdness right when you see someone doing weird shit you kind of

okay politicians for example they're the best like they'll say a speech but it's off doesn't sound like anything you would say they're doing weird things with their hands yeah you like accept a certain amount of insincerity but you don't like it well no you know it's like you're talking about like the uncanny valley that thing where when you're looking at cgi and it's not quite right and it's fucking creepy yeah right it's that thing where it's like and this seems to be happening across the fucking board you know where you're seeing like what does appear to be a kind of clumsy alien attempt to express solidarity with something but it doesn't quite understand humans like it's not like it doesn't just understand

whatever the fuck it's like trying to express connectivity to it's like it doesn't understand the way normal people interact i mean and i think like if you get a political class and you put them in a city where they can get on underground subways that are just for them ride around in these little fucking trams through D.C. to avoid the traffic. They live in this weird, weird bubble. And over time, you're going to get weird. You're going to get weirder and weirder.

Are you really interacting with your constituents? Probably a little, but also you're getting like, you've got advisor upon advisor upon advisor articulating some expression of what's supposed to be the will of the people, but that's been warped a little bit by the lobbyists. You know what I mean?

So also you are thinking like, fuck, I want to get reelected. I need millions of dollars to get reelected. And that's not going to come from anybody but certain corporations. But then those corporations have like kind of loose ties with countries that are like there's our adversaries, as they say, meaning that all of a sudden it's not just like some lobbyist who wants there to be a lack of regulations on oil pipelines, getting the ear of some politician. But it's a corporation that's a little bit influenced by a completely different country,

getting the ear of the politician. Yeah. Fuck. Now it's like, you know what I mean? It's like suddenly we're getting like this thing that's some kind of like hybrid. It's not a country anymore. It's a it's it's becoming more of a I don't know, like just some hyper connected thing that is like probably not quite what you would normally call traditionally call a country. Well, a country didn't exist in the form of the United States until 1776.

And then it's evolved from there. As money starts getting weirder and weirder, because money's all digital now, it's all flying around, and then when it becomes Bitcoin money, then it's really digital. We get into cryptos, if crypto becomes the general currency of the world, and then what's to stop that from happening with language, so we have a universal currency that is It doesn't have like Some backing behind it It's just this weird thing where people just agree that a Bitcoin is worth fifty two dollars today or whatever the fuck yes

You know it's a weird one right yeah, yeah, how do you? How do you stop that from happening with language like what if people come along with a language it's easy to learn you can learn it you know you can learn it's fun there's games you can play you can learn it while you're playing a game yeah and you you get points like what if there's a call of duty language like no bullshit you know like how different video games are thought about creating their own coins people have different people have different coins right they're making their own coins. Different people have different coins, right? They're making their own coins.

What's to stop you from making a language that goes along with a video game? And as you get really good at the video game, you learn the language. Also, yeah, if like Musk's neural mesh works out and so we can expedite the ability to learn new languages. So it's not just like new languages are being formed, but then also you can just digest them like Yes, and then so now you get this like weird hyper evolving Language that is probably gonna be the language they the settlers speak on the moon colonies and the Mars colonies and the asteroid miners Yeah, like what are you you're not gonna be able to speak You're gonna have to have some pigeon by the way

I watched the Stanford professor that you had on he like you know i'm talking about you have so many people on what you had you had a stanford professor who's like a cultural biologist or so he's showing like how gene expression uh affects like the just basically a lot of humanity i wish i could remember his name it's a wonderful lecture if you look it up on youtube how long ago was this this? I don't know, man. I just Googled him and it showed up. Huberman? I think it might be Huberman. I don't know. Andrew Huberman? Whoever it was is very- He's a genius. Did he look like a handsome soldier? No. No? Huberman looks like a scientist in a Marvel Comics movie. Like, that's not a fucking scientist, but he's like a legitimate scientist,

like an absolutely super well-respected, uh, believes, uh, what is this? What is Huberman's discipline? Officially neuroscientist. This guy looks like an acid chemist.

Oh, Oh, who the fuck would that be? Look up at Stanford it's like he did a how long ago man I'm just late at night I'm just watching Stanford lectures

I don't know I'm not looking at times Sapolsky what Robert Sapolsky Sapolsky oh he's one of my favorites yeah Sapolsky

yeah oh my god he's the guy that got me to think first of all the hardest about parasites. Because his big thing was toxoplasmosis. That's what I found out about him.

He was teaching a lecture on toxoplasmosis. And I was like, oh, my God, do I have that? Because I've had cats. And I had wild cats at one point in time. And it's really common in cats and really common in cat people. It's really common in cats and really common in cat people. It's really common in poor parts of the world where they have a lot of feral cats. Some places are like France at one point in time, but 50% of the people were infected by this brain parasite that comes from cats.

Do you know the whole story behind the parasite? Oh, yeah. But I loved it. For some reason, it never gets old. It never gets old. It's a fascinating parasite. And this i loved it i mean for some reason it never gets old it never gets old it's a fascinating parasite and this is what it does it gets into rats and it hijacks the reward systems it hijacks the way the rat's brain works and it makes the rat sexually attracted to the smell of cat urine yeah so their their their their balls swell up their dick dick gets hard. It's crazy. How embarrassing. How embarrassing.

And it also simultaneously removes their fear. It's so strange. And it's a strategy for this parasite. I'm so sorry, Doug, because I'll forget it. Imagine if there was like a grizzly bear parasite that made your dick turn around. Bears. It made you run to a cave, into the den.

Oh my god, that would be hilarious. That would be fucking hilarious. They're like Alaskan park rangers. It's like a new thing they gotta deal with. It's these fucking assholes out there with rock hard dicks. Why is your dick hard, soldier?

I got to get to the bears. That's hilarious, but that's what it is, man. And the proportions are pretty similar, too. Like rat to cat versus person to bear. Pretty fucking similar. It's crazy to think somehow that happened in this dimension. That is how long we've been here. That's how – it's just crazy to think.

Because that just seems – if we're designing the simulator, that's a funny thing we do as a joke. Like let's make it so that like there's a parasite that makes cats or rats horny when they smell cat piss. It's so crazy. And it does more than that, man. It gets them horny. It gets cat piss. It's so crazy, and it does more than that, man. It gets them horny, it gets them to not be afraid, and then it reproduces. Then they start a podcast.

I'm sorry. No, it reproduces inside the cat's gut. That's the only way this parasite reproduces. So it tricks the rat into getting close to the cat. There's some sort of weird thing that's going on like that is a complex deception that's not a regular deception you're doing all you're like no i didn't work this

way no it didn't work that way how many thousands of times does a rat have to get eaten by the cat or killed by the cat before they figure out how to do it right where it's real consistent yeah i mean the mutate i guess it's just mutations i i don't know about that man i'm i i it's definitely mutations but i almost feel like there's a missing element to what makes things work that we're not tuned into you know like we have like these mechanisms like and this is no disrespect to the people that study this and obviously i'm a moron but all these people that are looking at this and looking at these mechanisms i agree with all their work i'm not saying that i disagree that these mechanisms are in place and they can show a clear cause and effect to like certain

genes and why they express themselves and certain uh evolutionary traits that are beneficial to whatever animal but i think there's also some other weird shit going on man i think there's there's multiple things going on and i think it's almost like there's information some other weird shit going on man i think there's there's multiple things going on and i think it's almost like there's information out there in experience and that information when animals get jacked or when things go wrong that information still manages to transfer out into the tribe you know in some sort of non-verbal communication so i think it does that to like the parasites i think it works that way with people i think it works that way with a lot of stuff i think ideas and and like tones the way people

see things generally spreads almost like a virus as much as it spreads like information that's right there's a weird thing to it and i think if you look at parasites and how the fuck a parasite figured out a rewire like hey uh when the rats eat us we can't we don't fucking breed okay because we can't we can't reproduce inside the rat's gut we need to get in that fucking cat how do we do this so they figured out how to get in the cat like and the way to get in the cat is to trick the rat and then it gets to people because people love cats right so they tell pregnant women never touch kitty litter yeah okay because that stuff can get in you and if it gets in you it fucks

with the child's development it's uh related to uh decrease in iq uh increase in um uh impulsive behavior increase in sapolsky was saying that there was an, I don't know about the IQ thing. Google that. I might be wrong about that. If toxoplasmosis in children leads to a decrease in IQ, that's some, the decrease in IQ thing is like, what the fuck causes IQ, right? You know, like what are all the little pieces that are moving in place there? But anyway, Sapolsky said that motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency, But anyway, Sapolsky said that motorcycle victims, when he was doing his residency,

they would come in and there was a disproportionate amount of motorcycle accidents that have toxoplasmosis in their system when they would test them. So the doctor that he was working with when he was doing his residency told him, let's test him for toxo. And he's like, there's a disproportionate number because it makes people reckless. Fuck. Also, here's another, there's a disproportionate number because it makes people reckless. Fuck. Also, another thing that's wild, when you look at toxoplasmosis infections, there's some sort of a connection to successful soccer teams. What?

Yeah, countries with successful soccer teams generally have a higher rate of toxo. But it doesn't necessarily mean it's the toxo that's causing them to be successful. It could just be coincidental because those are the countries that like are really obsessed with soccer because it doesn't require much money to enter. Like poor people can play it. You just need like a ball of tape and you can kick that around. Right. So like the idea is like, there's a lot of games that come out of soccer that aren't soccer. They start playing it and get really good at it. I think the IQ thing is something similar. Oh, it is true.

It's overrepresented among people with only elementary education. Right. So it's just about who they looked at for that stuff. Right. Can you scroll that up so I can see? The arm is in the way. Just up. Just go that way.

Oh, sorry. There you go. Oh, my bad. just go that way oh sorry um analysis a sample of 857 conscripts showed toxoplasmosa positive subjects were significantly over represented among people with only elementary education had significantly lower verbal intelligence and significant lower factor of novelty seeking huh bomber well you got. Well, you got to think, again, you're dealing with poverty, right? You're dealing with third world, a lot of third world environments where they have a high incidence of that shit.

But that is fucking fascinating that a bug figures out a way to get a rat horny and get him chasing a cat so it gets eaten because it wants to get in that cat's stomach. That's wild, man. The implication, this is really creepy, but it is when I'm looking at people with COVID or afraid to get the vaccine or people are like, we have this fucking thing. It's probably a bioweapon, man. And we got this thing.

And people gathering together, you know, when it was soaring, just gathering together as Sturges, you know, you have to, like, I was thinking like, fuck, did they not just engineer a bioweapon? But did they figure out a way to make it so that part one of the things it does is it makes people want to get really social and like go against the thing that would slow it down you know like is this some kind of fucking insane new version of toxoplasmosis that makes people i don't know just want to get it there's some people who just wanted to get it just to get it over with just to get it over with but that's like for a virus jesus christ that's the best thing that can happen to you man right like with chicken

but it's pressure that's just pressure you know like some some people just can't handle the pressure of awaiting something over and over and over again the anxiety of when is it going to come right yeah i mean look that was it was it what i remember when we didn't even know what it was yeah and i that's when i'm like well it going to just fucking kill me at some point. I was having like, you know, when we didn't know. When it's like, this could be a post-apocalyptic movie in three months. Because this is a new thing. So we're not positive everything that it does.

We don't know what the fuck it does. It could make your feet explode. You know what I mean? It could do, who knows? All of a sudden, a few months in, people are having seizures. And the toxoplasmosis stuff, I mean, I'm in a fucking robe and I'm wearing a wig. I'm obviously not listening. But you're in good company.

I'm not, okay. Clearly you're not listening to some kind of like. Yeah, don't listen to him. He's got an Illuminati ring on this is not a fucking ted talk but i was thinking you know if toxic if like over zillions of years toxoplasmosis can make rats get horny when they smell cat piss so couldn't someone whip some shit up in the laboratory that makes people just i don't know like a certain kind of sneaker you know could it could a corporation whip up a virus that just it just imagine if they did and but didn't have any other

side effects you tell me they wouldn't do it isn't that what advertising is they would do it isn't that what advertising is yeah you know yeah like especially to dullards right someone who maybe have toxo and they're uh they're they're more susceptible to ads yeah imagine that imagine that's the way to get people to be more susceptible to ads let more rats with toxo out in the streets oh my god man imagine if they're just spraying toxo down into the sewer pipes in New York City. Just trying to get it out there. Let's go, let's go, let's go. But you know, man, to get back to your idea of like, shit, it feels like there is something that we haven't quite figured out yet when it comes to gene expression and the way that genes mutate and the way evolution happens.

mutate in the way evolution happens similarly with language and with data we aren't at the place yet where we acknowledge that that data is as much of a drug or a virus as anything else just you know what i mean but because you're eating it with your eyes doesn't make it any less like you're getting infected so you know what i mean you're right i when you said that holy fuck that's what advertising is I had to pause for a second because when you really is right yeah especially if you mind virus if data is alive and we are as a form of life or kind of like you know they say a virus is not quite alive not quite dead it's some somewhere in between so are information packets, you know? And the effect that they have is so profound that, yeah, I mean, I wonder how laws would change if we start reframing what information is

as something of, it's more of a living thing. It's more of like, it's more of a thing that like lives in the mind and jumps from one person to the next, but it's actually of like it's more of a thing that like lives in the mind and jumps from one person to the next but it's actually kind of alive kind of not but it's sort of a living i think that of ideas all the time i think that ideas might be alien like a different life form here's the thought everything you see right everything from buildings to fucking power lines cars cars, everything that's man-made came out of the mind. It came out of the human imagination. And we just take it for granted that it's a thing.

Like, here's a table. Here's a skyscraper. Yeah, but where did that come from? It came out of the mind. Like, an idea came into the mind and tricked the monkey into building it. And the monkey says, look me big building make right here look what I've done Oh monkey so strong monkey so smart you know we think that we're so awesome because we figured out how to make that Huawei phone that spies

on your neighbors but what is that what is going on there well right we all the Communist Party is trying to take over is it or is it the most successful vehicle for getting ideas through is it the most successful vehicle for getting ideas through? Is it the most successful vehicle for getting technology through? Right. Ideas that create things, which are the most important ideas to things. Right. Not to humans.

That's why we moan and we talk about materialism and how fucking shallow the world is. Surrealism and how fucking shallow the world is because we recognize there's a disconnect between the things that are Valuable to humans and the things that just make more things they're valuable because they allow more things to be created Well, then you go what the fuck are these things? What are these things and how they trick us into loving them so much they don't I'm talking about how my I love watching phone Videos they don't change my fucking life. If I had an iPhone 6 and I just, we're good. Let's stop right there. I probably wouldn't notice.

You'd probably send me a message. I'd say, hi, back. We're cool. Call each other. Hey, what's up? Maybe my phone would look a little shittier for the FaceTime, but that's it. Other than that, I wouldn't notice anything. But we're all obsessed with these fucking things.

And these things have weaseled their way into our lives and then you get the commercials and the commercials show the things and it's usually a girl with long legs and pretty feet dude those apple commercials lately i want to fuck the commercial like yeah you know if you've seen that you know i'm talking about the new apple commercials i haven't but i definitely like you know like someone who used to work at MKUltra got a job at Apple and was like, look, why don't you try this thing that we did during Project Stargate and we'll make this thing. And then suddenly you get this Apple commercial. It's just some woman.

And it's like beautiful, beautiful computers that I don't need at all. My wife and I watch it and we're like we gotta get one and it's like but why I've got a computer you have a computer but the commercial is so potent you're like yeah I want a blue a blue mac ah blue yeah yeah yeah new colors yeah so a red phone but it's but to me what's really cool and and what may hopefully is it when the future might be looked at as wild west is that i mean you look at apple right this is two multiverses away from this one this is a tower of wizards you know what i mean that's what it is right yes and like every once in a while like

today was their big keynote thing but every once in a while the wizards show behold the news come out of the castle we've summoned and then you know shows it to the villagers and we're all like oh my god look at that glowing cube of an axe and axe. You know what I mean? It's like the cube of an axe and axe will now teleport six feet farther. But, yeah, two multiverses away. That's what it is. But, you know, knowing that these are wizards and then realizing these commercials are casting spells on us.

Two multiverses away. We just don't think of it as a spell.'s a spell what is that a image why show me the apple.com that as it starts it's it's what he's describing all these little emojis are looking at this oh my zeroes of that this is a spell of hypnosis 17 no oxygen and get you to accept those as your avatars and you're gonna be more comfortable with them than your real skin yeah and they're gonna give you the option three or four phones from now to actually become that avatar permanently. And your old skin, you can always go back to your old skin temporarily,

but only as long as you have battery life. Because in real life, you have to make the swap. You have to decide, you know, and in real life, it's just much more efficient for our systems. If you just accept the avatar all the time and and you can upgrade your avatar with this you know it's not that expensive sure i mean i mean you just described one of the stories of how humans incarnate in this dimension as you you pick your incarnation maybe that is part of why we're so obsessed with gender and race maybe we're going to get to a point maybe the universe is and race. Maybe we're going to get to a point, maybe the universe is priming us, and we're going to get to a point very soon where you can really swap out your gender and race.

You really can change what you are because you're just electricity going through your fucking brain connected to some machine by some weird interface, and now they've figured that interface out, and you will live the life of whoever you want, whether you want to be tall or short, whether you're a person who decides

you want to experience life in poverty, whether you want to experience life as a genius, whether you want to be a girl or a boy, gay or straight, black or white, Asian, whatever the fuck you want, you can do it all. Anytime you want want you can go back and forth yeah bro that's coming well that's you know like i opened up the singularity is near recently just to look you know look through it's a great book kurzweil's got this definition of

humans in there that's so beautiful and i'm gonna butcher it but it's essentially like you know he's got a lot of definitions of humans some of them are really amazing like something like self-replicating nano replicator or something but like the the other description is humans are things that because the towards the end in there he's like, people ask, like, OK, if we learn to use nanobots to decode us and like, you know, not just transform our bodies, but, you know, merge humans with other humans. You know, theoretically, entire collectives of people could merge together as super organisms with one personality. But what are what are we going to be after that? And he says what humans are are creatures that like to push past all boundaries and and so the market pressure that is going into like people may spending all the money they spend to build these insane

fucking phones uh that is the thing that's pushing us towards that point that that and that there's no choice that's the other thing i didn't realize this until i was reading it recently because somehow when i was reading the singularity shit before i used to imagine oh we have a choice in this like humans as a whole just put the brakes on and be like you know what let's let's slow down on the singularity project thing i don't think we're going to do it there's no choice like we're part of a river that's going over a waterfall and and no no no particle of water gets to say hold on everybody let's not go over the waterfall what do you say we just hang out turn into a lake or something it's like no there's no way out of it

it's happening and and and the and all this stuff that's causing all this fucking turmoil in society is related to humans coming to this weird point of freedom where we might not have to be what we were born as in any way in any way in any way and for and that for whatever reason is very upsetting to some people some people don't like it they're like you got to be what you were born as all things all things you know if if it tomorrow a technology emerges where you could change your ethnicity think of the the think of the uh some people be mad at you for doing the culture yeah well yeah it would be a huge controversy man and similarly with gender but not with just with gender.

Imagine if tomorrow anyone who wants to could turn into the most in shape person ever. So now when you see someone who's in shape, you're like, wow, they've got a lot of discipline. But that all goes away. There's no more, you know what I mean? There's no currency anymore. And like, oh, wow, you're a master pianist?

Oh, that's amazing. So what app did app did you learn right you learned it easy you know oh you're you're such a tenancy you've become so you become so much funnier ever since you did that upgrade right you know what i mean i you know i i but isn't this ego right like isn't this what we're thinking about, just ego, that, like, people have gone through this intense, laborious process to become the greatest tennis player of all time? But if you could just get there through technology. Isn't it? I mean, I get that there's, like, all these signals of discipline and all these signals of being something special. But it seems like that's just because it's hard to do right It's there's a thing that's going on here where it's like we're praising things that are hard to do because it's an ethic right

It's like burned into our system, and we think it's definitely positive the things that are hard to do make you a better person But we're basing that on the idea that that's the only way to make you a better person like that just taking these only way to make you a better person. Like that just taking these downloads and all of a sudden learning how to play concert piano or learning how to do Kung Fu or learning how to do calculus, like instantaneously adds to your database. Maybe you just became the same version or even maybe a better version of a better person because you're not constantly bitter about struggle. Because one of the things that sucks about really famous people or really successful people or really exceptionally accomplished people is they want you to know, right?

When they want you to know, and I think we've all been guilty of it, and I know I've been guilty of it for sure, where I was happy about certain success and I bragged about it. And in retrospect, it's probably gross, but in the moment I was being celebratory yeah but that is a thing where when people are trying to do something and it's difficult to do when someone does something like that we admire them because they made it through but ultimately the benefits supposed to be that it makes them somehow or another a better version of what they were yeah well everything they do whether they climb mount everest or write a novel yeah hard things make you a more interesting person everybody that i know has gone through some

interesting shit and it's one of the things that i love most about comics because i know the emotional roller coaster ride that it takes to become a competent comedian where you're working professional it's fucking crazy yeah and then to do what we do, what you and I do, which is even weirder where you're just thinking out loud in front of the world, which is fucking bananas, a ridiculous thing to do. And while you're doing it, most of the time you're high or drunk or a lot of the time, at least all these things, they're interesting and we're, we celebrate them because we know they're hard to achieve. But why do they have to be? Why can't people just become a better person with a download?

Do we want someone to fucking have to run marathons for 10 years to be a better person? Maybe there's a download. Beep. And all of a sudden you're like a guy who runs marathons every day for 10 years. You're like a stoic person who just appreciates things for what they are. You don't come with any bullshit. You're not emotionally over needy you don't require additional attention Like there's all these things that people are allowed to do where they were they require

Additional attention that they don't really deserve yeah What's the same thing on the flip side like the people that get attention for things that they have accomplished? They want it and they just fucking that's why they're doing it like that's not good And it's also not good that people want attention for things they don't deserve attention for. Like you didn't do anything. Like why you wanna be celebrated? You got work to do, you're lazy, you eat too much.

What are you doing? Stop saying it's the world's fault. It's not the world's fault. Get up! Stop farting on yourself and go outside. Go! Just go outside! You can fart on yourself. Give outside. Go. Just go outside. You can fart on yourself.

Give me a break. Go outside. But that, there's, if you just get all that with a download, why do you have to fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like, for sure you got to download. We all got downloads, right? I got a fairly lucky download where there wasn't a lot of trauma. It wasn't anything insurmountable.

Yeah. Some people get downloads that are horrendous, and they have to work their way through childhood sexual abuse. They could have been molested by the time they were babies. That's a real thing across the world. So imagine that download. Well, okay. Right.

Imagine if you can just come along and fix that. Oh, we're going to take that and just fix that issue and then give you a guy who climbed all the mountains. Download. And then you're going to learn Kung Fu, like Neo and the Matrix. Give you that download. Sure. Calculus.

That download. Why wouldn't you do that? Do you want to work hard? Well, I want to earn it on my own fucking back. But that would be, so that would be one of the big controversies, which is like, okay, so we've got one league of baseball players that achieved their ability to play baseball through a combination of skill and talent and practice. And then we have this other league. They're all 14. But they didn't download.

other league they're all 14 but they didn't download so that now they're like 50 times better than any living baseball player watching them is like watching some kind of like psychedelic geometry because they're so fucking good and the balls move so fast it's like the most insane thing you've ever seen but do you want to watch that? Yes! That's what I'm saying. You're not going to watch an old baseball game. Oh yeah, let's go watch the fucking Dodgers. They haven't had any downloads. It's just old classic baseball when the balls moved

less than 600 miles per hour. When the balls didn't break the sound barrier. No shit, right? but that's the problem is because you're going to have a group of people that rejects becoming whatever this thing is and those people they're gonna they're gonna say things like we're being ostracized we We're being pushed to the side. And it's like, well, kind of. But also what's happening is you don't want to adapt. And the history of evolution is adaptation for better or for worse. It might be better to be a primordial person who hasn't done gene therapy who hasn't transformed their their genetics which

wouldn't work which is coming the the the new vaccines are part of that but the thing that's the thing that's coming because then the new that that should sped stuff up what's coming is going to be all again and again you're going to get this opportunity where it's like do you want to get rid of your diabetes maybe okay we're going to get this opportunity where it's like, do you want to get rid of your diabetes? Maybe. Okay. We're going to give you this thing. That's going to reprogram your DNA so that you're not all fucked. Your insulin is working. So everything's working. Your pancreas is working. And some people who have diabetes are going to be like, no, I think I want to stay like this. I don't want to alter my DNA. And other people are going to be like, yes, do it now.

Fucking inject it in me. I don't want to have to go through a life like this anymore. I want to see what it's like. And not just that aging and not just that cancer, which I'm quite excited about because I had it. And, you know, having had it uh it's any any advancement in that realm is like exciting because it took my mom too and obviously for not just my own selfish ass but everybody out there is contending with it but like you're this is going to be every you know few years there's going to be a thing where it's like yeah you don't want it okay you don't have to get it but the more you don't get it and then when it gets to intelligence, man,

when it gets to just like, you know, or what if you want to give your workers genetic therapy that makes them faster, you know, or smarter or whatever, you know what I mean? Move quicker. Yeah. Suddenly what happens is the species isn't, they say this happens in species where they split. Well, especially when you have a thing like crisper we think you have the breakthrough technology where you can actually start

manipulating genes that didn't that was a thought before now it's a real practice and they've actually done it on human fetuses in china right it man. And didn't they have an unintended positive consequence? Yeah, I think so. I think they got smarter. Yeah. Like, whoops. Whoops. Yeah, it was John Cena apologizing. Sorry, everybody got smarter. Love the Chinese people. So sorry.

Yeah. This guy got smarter. It was an accident. We were just trying to protect him from HIV. That's what it was, right? Wasn't it? I think they were trying to give them protection from HIV. Can you Google that, Jamie? I might be butchering this. I think the guy who did that got in trouble, too, right? I think he got arrested.

Yeah, he got in trouble. Come on, man. They told him to do that. I was trying to decode the wink, wink, trouble. Wink, wink, trouble. What was the question how to phrase that question i think the question is like what what yeah uh the something about age genetic therapy china the the uh crisper they i think it was twins twin fetuses and they tried to

give them protection online we are now this is literally the set you know when you're online and you're trying to remember what you're googling but this is part of the problem with my podcast man it's like people for some reason or another think i should stop doing it this way gene edits to crisper babies might have shortened their life expense expectancy oops study of almost half a million people links mutation that protects Edits to CRISPR babies might have shortened their life expectancy. That's not great. Oops. Study of almost half a million people links mutation that protects against HIV infection to an earlier death. Okay. Well, that is a weird link.

I don't necessarily understand how they could just make that leap. It's like, put that back up. It doesn't necessarily mean that that's what caused their uh earlier death it could have mean they just fucked themselves into oblivion and ran out of jizz that's possible too no shot of getting hiv ever you know i mean how many people would just go ham you know scientists who edited the genomes of twin girls and attempt oh it's twin girls in an attempt to make them resistant to HIV may have inadvertently shortened their lives. But I think there's another thing that they were saying. They think it impaired some sort of a cognitive benefit. That's just what you say after you find out you fucked up some babies.

You're like, but they're smarter. Trust me. I got to go. Wait a few years. They're going to- Listen, and in 10 years, they're going to come up with a cure for their life expectancy being shorter. Exactly. So relax.

Exactly. You're welcome. You know the problem to me, man, is like why they have to call it CRISPR. It's like CRISPR babies. It sounds like a KFC fucking snack. It sounds like bacon. Yeah, why- It's a bacon sandwich.

Oh, I love CRISper babies in the morning. That's a terrible name. That would have been a good name for like a bacon store. Not like the future of humanity. We owe it all to crisper. Yeah. But, you know, I think that we're just witnessing human humanity reckoning with this. What's what's coming? The technology. Because here's the other thing.

Like, you know, if you look at, you know, what they're saying about not just the Wuhan laboratory, but like, did I just say laboratory? Like I'm trying to say Wuhan. But like you're drinking. Oh, thank you. i almost forgot but like the the uh but yeah the like if you look at like that so the big controversy right now is virology gain of function research which is taking a some fucking virus altering a little bit and sometimes you need to do that to study it right like there's a there i was looking it up there's like these small these pot mice mice pox i think in australia because basically like you want to take this virus whatever it may be that might pose a threat to humanity like what we what

happened in galveston right that's what they were looking at the idea being okay here like well which is that we uh went to a place in galveston where they study these things. We said, what happened in Galveston? Like there was an outbreak that people don't know about. Oh, the Galveston fucking outbreak. They might have been like, what happened in Galveston? They're like, fuck, what happened in Galveston? What was Duncan talking about? Let's Google it.

No, we just went to this creepy place where there was a creepy only because there's like tiny little microscopic demons all around you. And I should say that we got so high at the airport that we missed our flight. They left. They took off. They were already gone. We were like, where's this flight? We were so baked.

We were sitting there talking for so long. And then we had to take a flight late that night. And we flew all through the night and then landed in the morning and then had an hour to sleep, I think. Then the next day you're in one of the most secure bio laboratories. What is that, Jamie? What did you put up, Jamie? Mousepox.

Oh, wow. Mousepox. But like, so, okay. So the idea is you have essentially like you're planning a virus. Two multiverses over where Apple's a wizard tower, a virus is a demon. And so if you're one of the royal demon defenders, you got to study like what are the most possible 15 demons that might break out of hell and rampage through earth, right? And so in this dimension, that's like the coronaviruses but not just the coronaviruses ebola not just ebola like all the possible things we might have to worry about the

avian bird flu right so if you're like in one of these labs you need to study it but you got to study it in in a living thing that is easier to study than whatever it came from gain a function make it so that infects mice right now you can put it in mice and start studying the way it works and living organisms blah blah blah blah blah right so that's gain of function research right so like virologists so now there's like a moratorium on it at least i hope there is very strict but virologists are kind of like look uh we have to do gain of function if we're going to study the shit that's coming. Because we want to try to at least begin the process of making a vaccine, understanding how it's going to affect civilization.

So that if it does come, if the demon comes out of hell, we know the spell is to cast. That's the reason we got the COVID vaccines. Everyone's like, they started working on it six months ago. It's like, no, they didn't. They've been working on versions of it for a while because of this very thing. But anyway, the problem is, the problem with gain of function, the double-edged sword is, you're making the thing. It's like instead of waiting for the demon to explode from hell,

you summon it in a sealed chamber of Lornax. Like where they put the Hulk in that clear box? Yes, exactly. Pull that video, excuse me, that text up, brother. Because this text is insane about micepox. I'm going to read this to you folks because it's such a fucking... Listen to this. A virus that kills every one of its victims by wiping out part of their immune system has been accidentally created by an Australian research team.

Yep. Just imagine that. A virus that kills every one of its victims was accidentally. Whoops. We were trying to make syrup and we wanted to put it on our pancakes, but we accidentally made a virus that kills everything. What does that mean? Wait a minute. It's not an accident if that's what you're working on.

Well, no. Is that what they're working on? But the reason they're working on it is because you would rather understand it in a laboratory than all of a sudden mousepox naturally mutates and suddenly shit tons of people are just dying and we have no idea how to deal with it. Oh, yeah. For sure. That's the argument

for gain of function research oh i get it okay okay no no no i get the argument for it it's i mean it's really interesting right it's like how do you understand how a virus mutates other than making it mutate yourself and you do it in this like really safe contained environment life finds a way well that place wasn't safe That place had been cited for safety violations in 2018. I didn't know that. Find that place. This mouse box is scaring the shit out of me, Australia. What are you doing, Australia?

Wait, I thought it meant it only killed 100% of mice. It means humans? It does kill 100% of mice because it hasn't jumped to humans. But if it did make the leap to humans with the same efficacy, Jesus Christ. that's not good. That's 100% death. That's the thing, man.

It's like if you go back throughout humanity, we hit a bunch of fucking pit stops where things went real bad and we had to restart the whole race. And I think at times, human beings got down to like, because of natural disasters, just a few thousand people. And for to, because of natural disasters, just a few thousand people.

And for sure, because of plagues, the human race probably got dropped down to multiple times, like half of what it used to be or a third what it used to be. That happened a bunch of times. A bunch of times. So the human race itself, we got real close once. I think in Indonesia, there was a super volcano that blew off like 60 000 years ago we've talked about this so many times i really wish i could pull this off at the top of my head 2018 diplomats warned of risky coronavirus experiments in a wuhan lab

no one listened yeah okay so 2018 like, hey, what the fuck? It'd make a good 80s comedy, like a bunch of stoners working at a viral laboratory. What was I just talking about, just before that? You were talking about the, you said you've talked about it many times. Oh, the fucking super volcano, man. Oh, yeah. I think it was in Indonesia, right? I think Toba.

Toba. And it killed everybody except for, I think it was down to 7,000 people. So the whole earth. Think about the 7 billion people. They were down to 7,000. What horrors did those people see? The people that made it, how many people did they eat a lot how many of their friends did they see die i mean what did they do there's 7 000 people you go from a million people to 7 000

the sky becomes black with soot as this volcano bursts fire into the sky and it drowns out all the sun, kills all the plants. You have no food. Animals starve to death. Yeah. They might have just eaten each other. I mean, who the fuck knows? Well, yeah. Right now, anthropologists are going crazy.

You don't understand history. You know, what is it? Yeah, yeah. You're right. They're right. They're right. I mean, this is, you know, it would be nice if, like, when you're right the right they're right the uh i mean this is you know it would be nice if like when you're watching fox news or whatever the like the left or the right

propaganda mechanism is every once in a while they would just admit they're like we don't know what we're talking about y'all that we're like we're like we're performing but then you know what i mean like i think it's i think that that would be nice if every once in a while they broke the fourth wall. They can't. They don't have any freedom. That's part of the problem with that whole format. The difference between what you do and what they do, it's on the opposite side of the matrix. People would believe them more, though.

It doesn't matter. Then it would be a corporate decision to do that, and it wouldn't work. North America settled by just 70 people, study concludes. What? Holy shit. Give me a break. How is that possible? Fucking shit.

70 people? Scroll up, bro. Let me read some of this shit. This is nuts. I was looking at the genetic bottleneck theory stuff, because that's what that Toba catastrophe. bro. Let me read some of this shit. This is nuts. I was looking at the genetic bottleneck theory stuff because that's what that Toba catastrophe talks about. Oh, is that

what they think? That's what the... One of the things that could have created it. It was a core sample thing too though, right? Yeah, there were other animals that have gotten down there too, so I just stumbled across this. A new study of DNA suggests North America was originally populated by just a few dozen people who crossed a land bridge from Asia during the last ice age.

About 14,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering land bridge from Siberia to North America. Wow. Most experts agree. You know, I got called racist because I believe that. What? Yeah. Somebody pointed me to something. Somebody sent me a thing saying, why is this racist?

Like, people think that some folks, like colonists, believe that people came here across the Bering Land Bridge and populated North America, where some folks think there was native people just here, period. Like, there was native people everywhere. And I gotta admit, I never even thought about it until somebody said that. Because if there were native people in South America, for sure. Do we believe that all the native people in North America and South America walked down from Siberia? Is that what we believe?

They don't really know, right? Sounds crazy. It sounds crazy, but it's just guessing. At this point, maybe that's right. Who knows? Or maybe there's people already here. Maybe we don't know. Maybe they hopped on rafts.

I like the Graham Hancock version of it way better. It's like we're older and older and older. I think so. So, yeah, did a group of people cross an ice bridge at some point to end up in a place that had recently experienced a meteor or a comet like impact on the planet maybe just imagine this shit 70 people 70 people coming across from siberia well by the way during that time 14 000 years ago you know it was alive on that bearing land bridge that they think kept people from crossing over sooner? The short-faced bear.

The short-faced bear makes a grizzly bear look like a koala bear. So you had to fight bears. You couldn't fight bears. You could not fight a short-faced bear. A short-faced bear is so big, it's a demon in a movie. Look at that. The biggest of all the bear species. Wasn't that tough?

the biggest of all the bear species. Wasn't that tough? Well, Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock believe that that short-faced bear was a victim of the Younger Dryas impact theory. Yeah. They believe that the asteroids slammed into the planet, and there's real proof of that in terms of when they do core samples, according to these guys,

that in that range of like when the Ice Age ends, there's all this nuclear glass that indicates there were some sort of impacts all over the place, all throughout Asia and Europe. I love that shit. It's a wild theory, man. It's such a crazy theory when you think about that. But that fucking bear died off. And people made it because we're ingenuity. have we are ingenuity we are ingenuity we're toyota we're

number one yeah but we figured out how to survive and they didn't have enough food they're so fucking big they need so much food dude soinction hypotheses. Okay. We always talk about it. But we haven't talked about what wig's on before. You're right. We can repeat our conversations. I love it. Can I just say something before you do it? Yeah.

I'm better with you. I'm my best podcaster with you. I'm a better- We know each other so well. We used to be roommates. Yeah. Definitely. How many months?

How long was I living at your house? I don't know. Six? Was it like six? It was so close to that. Yeah. It was so much fun. That was so much fun.

I loved having you at my house. I thought it was amazing. That was a blast. I've got to tell you, man. having you at my house i thought it was amazing that was a blast like what i gotta tell you man to like emerge out of this fucking pandemic having like you know been with my wife who was pregnant for a lot of it you know having which is really scary oh yeah but we made a decision we were like look we're not gonna let fear determine like our lives are you guys taking vitamins are you doing the whole vitamin thing she eats more vitamins than i've ever seen anyone eat because she breastfeeds so she like

and i've tasted her milk it's sweet whatever she's doing is right because she makes very sweet very you know i know why the baby's smiling because it's like it's like ice cream basically but yeah anyway yeah i forced my wife to keep making breast milk for three years after the I know why the baby's smiling because it's like ice cream, basically. But anyway. I forced my wife to keep making breast milk for three years after the baby was born just so I could have some for myself. No, you did not. No, of course I didn't. What the fuck? Why did you?

Joe, why did you let it go? You should have been like, yes. Are you kidding? I got scared that she was going to listen. That's a Twitter trend. Joe Rogan forced wife to make milk. He had a milking area in the house. Bro, you've been to my house.

I can't even fucking decorate. I'm not allowed. No. I'm not allowed to decorate. Nor am I. I mean, like, this is the thing. This is a recurring problem I have, we have, which is that my wife will ask me, do you like this?

And then all of a sudden I have, like like weird, intense, aesthetic opinions that I've never had before. You know what I mean? That's so true. Like she'll show me a couch. I don't think about couch. I'm like, no, I don't think that's going to work in that room. And she's like, you don't like anything I show you. And then I think about it.

It's like I'm basing this on nothing Like a light feeling Which is like where you're at is is the enlightened place to be which is like surrender to what are you gonna do? Well, here's here's the reality of it. First of all a I really don't care if it looks nice. I don't care. I'm happy I just want to sit down. I'm not I'm not that interested I'm really not that interested But I also don't like when one of the when one person just like makes all the decisions like um, hey Right, you know, but I also know Realistically if I was the one to make the decisions it would be a mess

It'll be a hodgepodge of imagery and here's one thing that me and my wife don't get along, don't agree with rather. I'm into, I am not just into, I have this weird obsession with ancient Asian art. Weird obsession. Like the Buddha, I have a bunch of Buddhas. I have different Ganeshas and all these different things from Thailand and China. I'm obsessed with that shit. I don't know why. I've always been.

I've always been obsessed with that. I see that and it's like part of me goes, I want that near me. I want that close to me. I don't know why. Because you used to be a Buddhist. You will never accept it. That doesn't make any sense. I used to be a monkey, dude.

Well, you were a monkey at some point, too. look again that's like my own obviously that's my own sense of things but the the the concept of reincarnation i think is is a really beautiful thing and probably pretty true because you know people do have especially when you look at my favorite reincarnation story is that woman who became an Egyptologist. Her parents took her to this Egyptian exhibit when she was a little girl. And she started crying and shit because she's like, there used to be gardens here. There's a, you know what I mean? But anyway, she was having this past life memory of living in Egypt.

And she became a very famous Egyptologist. Jamie, do you mind looking that up? Yeah, look that up. Because it it sounds like bullshit but it's true she just remembered this like other time and she identified aspects of apparently identified aspects of that culture that they didn't that didn't they didn't believe at that point but then later they realized she was right or maybe she's crazy and she wants attention this is what she does. In order to be the coolest version of the people that study Egypt, she pretends that in another life she lived there.

I was there. I'm not saying she is. Relax, folks. We're just talking. Who are you going to make happy here? A huge group of people are like, shut the fuck up, hippie. And a huge group of people are like, come on, Joe, it's reincarnation.

Stop being such a c yeah yeah exactly but you know it is the you can't make everybody happy Duncan regardless of like the the girl who rose from the dead with memories of ancient Egypt oh what year is this hold please 1904 I don't believe a fucking word of it what back then they believed in chiropractors they believed in a lot of shit still believe in chiropractors well look i mean regardless i do think like from from my perspective that it's just good karma. Yeah. We call it whatever you want to call it, but to be sort of – I think anything that you're drawn to like that,

whether it's like religious imagery or whether it's a style of literature or whatever, you're supposed to – that's like the X marks the spot. You're supposed to go deep into it to understand. Because those images, there's so because you know those images they're they're so there's so much associated with those images they're fractals right and and the fractal contains within it all the scriptures and so you know the scriptures when you convert them into imagery they turn into a ganesh or a buddha but because it's all the same it's like the way if you make ice hot it turns into water or you know but if you make it water hot it turns into steam in the same way like the dharma as they call

it it appears in these specific ways and one of them looks like that imagery you know it's just one of the ways this data set condenses into matter well it appears when you're under the influence of psychedelics. That's the weirdest thing for me. My first psychedelic trip ever, there was like an infinite number of Buddhas in a lotus position. There were these golden Buddhas floating around. They represented like perfect symmetry with the way they were seated because they're seated in a lotus position.

And from the top of their head, the peak of their head, it went straight down. And they were floating and moving all around in synchronous and i was like whoa it was heavy and they they didn't want you had to abandon this is the first thing i remember about the dmt experience when i first the first one with the golden buddha which is literally why i got this tattoo because it was one of one of the most profound moments of my life because it was the first time where I felt like 100% clear that there was no room for bullshitting anybody yeah like you can get by with charisma and you could say things the right way

and you can pretend and maybe you have a little bit of luck and maybe you have some like genetic gifts for certain things. But who are you? What are you? Who are you really? And you realize like, oh, my God, I'm carrying around all this nonsense for no reason. And it don't work on them anyway. When you get over there and all those Buddhas were like floating in and around me, you know, they knew I didn't sleep as much as I did.

They knew I used my phone more than I say I do. They know everything. They know all the lies and all the painful memories of regret that you have from the time you could remember from being five. I hit my cousin in the face with a bag of cookies when I was five, and I still feel bad about it. Oh, man. I feel bad about it. This is what happened. How big was the bag?

It wasn't very big. It's not that. This is what happened. I hit him with the bag, and the cookies went flying. They hit the dirt, and then we couldn't eat the cookies. I was so mad. He was bigger than me. My cousin was bigger than me.

He was upsetting me, and I remember I just grabbed a cookie bag and fucking swung it out. But when the cookies went flying out I felt so bad. And that was like one of the first times that I had ever made like an epic mistake where everybody around me wanted these cookies. Because we were in New Jersey and there was these delis that would make, or bakeries rather,

that would make bread and we'd go with my grandfather all the time to get bread. And we would get cookies and like little pastries. And I would look forward to them so much. But my cousin was fucking with me. And I just wanted to swing on him. And I needed something to hit him with. Yeah. I guess.

I was like five years old. But I remember that. Like that kind of thing. Like that kind of regret. Yeah. Like it stays with you. Yeah. Like your whole life.

Yeah. Isn't that intense? It's weird. And you, you, that, that, so what happens is you start, that's, you start thinking that's who you are. Yeah. Because it's so loud. And it's just, you just naturally start thinking like, oh yeah, I'm, that's me. I'm that regret.

thinking like oh yeah i'm that's me i'm that regret and so in that is the that's how you become a person as you start you know picking out the loudest aspects you focus on that yeah and assemble it now you've got a personality this is the shit you put in your twitter bio you're like i forgive but i never forget now you gotta stick to that fucking rule and you know what i mean now this is a this is a rule you just made for yourself just saying this is what i must be like and it's it's it's like no different than like when you have your imaginary friend and you're like leka he enjoys dancing it's like well that's not anything there or that shit you put on instagram yes the guy who fucking sold a sculpture with it was a zero thing didn't exist he sold it for eighteen thousand dollars but this this is why i love that symbol of art that he did because i think it's a

critique of what lots of people are doing or i think it's a drug dealer looking to launder money it's an easy way to do it because there's no object. Where's that fucking sculpture? Why can't it be both? It doesn't even exist. You can actually launder money and make a social critique simultaneously. That's what fucking art is. You can launder money and make a social critique simultaneously.

That's what fucking art is. They're not mutually exclusive. Put that in quotes and let's make t-shirts let's go you gotta move here I can't do this without you Joe don't torture me let's just do one a week

one a week I'd love to by the way I'd love to too I think we can sort things out I think when I get like the the most ultimate cancellation and then all the other celebrities aren't willing to come on the podcast anymore just you and me okay you're not gonna get people love you you're not gonna get you're just in a little bit of trouble you're in trouble but anyway i get a little bit of trouble you get in trouble

i get a little bit of trouble yeah you get you get every time i'm on fucking twitter it's like god damn it just stay off twitter well yeah. Well, yeah, well, you know. Listen, but we were talking about before with like Russians and bots and Chinese and bots and all these things. Yeah. The problem with Twitter is. I'm sorry, man. My wig's falling off. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. It's annoying. It's the wig break. People are probably done with this anyway. I'm not. I'm not done with this for the next many years. I've always, bald druids, right? Aren't they like monks?

Yeah. No, that's. Aren they like monks? Yeah. No, that's— Aren't they bald? Yeah. The problem with Twitter is the same problem with how easy it is to pretend you're a person on Twitter because it's so impersonal and so little of you comes through in text that it's easy to start thinking of people like their text. It's easy to say mean things or be disrespectful or dismissive or to

completely lack compassion yeah and as a person who's been the subject of it it's it's fascinating and my strategy has always been like I'm just gonna just not pay attention to this right because I don't want to argue with anybody I genuinely try to be the best person I can be and like all of us I'm flawed and I know what my intentions are and I know how I try to go about business and life and just I try To be as nice as possible. That's my goal. So when I see people communicating the way they're communicating on Twitter I'm like there is no way that that syncs up with my view of the world and I can't argue On either like if you argue on twitter then you're synced up to this really low vibration right now here's the problem occasionally it's a resource

occasionally you learn some really interesting stuff sure you see a funny meme someone informs you about a documentary or a book that you really, you read it and like, holy shit, thank you so much. Yeah. Occasionally it does that, but it also harbors so much negative thinking. Yeah.

It's so bad for the people that are slinging that shit. You're just thinking about it all day long. That's all they're thinking about. And they're engaged in like some sort of verbal battle. And the problem is I know a lot of them independently. Right. So I know a lot of them independently. Right. So I know I'm outside of Twitter and I'm talking to them and they're on medication and they're doing all kinds of weird things to deal with their anxiety. And I'm like, hey, man, do you ever think part of that might be what you're in this battleground you're engaging in this impersonal like emotionless battleground where it's like 70 percent insults? Like, what are you doing dude i okay i saw

the dalai lama speak in anaheim and one of the things how long ago long time ago i was on mushrooms it was fucking crazy but one of the things he said was and i you know it's weird because like this again this is stuff you hear this is stuff that anyone could say but somehow, it's weird because, again, this is stuff you hear. This is stuff that anyone could say. But somehow when it's coming out of the Dalai Lama, who, by the way, has this translator who's been with him forever. And you see those two on stage together. And then you will understand what Buddhism looks like because it's, like, not serious. It's not heavy. They're, like, talking to each other to translate. They're laughing to each other as they're, like, translating.

It's just so in the moment and fun and you look at that and you're like oh that's not like the boring like no no no like thing that i thought it was this is just this is like alive and like sweet and fun and they're enjoying what they're doing it's really really cool but one of the things that came up was um this issue of uh you know when someone insults you when someone says something shitty to you. And I don't remember the question, but someone was asking this question. And the way the Dalai Lama put it was,

they don't know you, number one, but what you're seeing is an echo. Someone did that to them. It got inside of them. And then it is echoing. It's about like, they're like the wall of a weird, infinite, geometric cave. And this like wave of negativity is bouncing off of them

bouncing to you and in you know you have a choice to react to it as though or real and if you do you become solid enough to bounce it onto somebody else or Realize what it is You're just looking at an echo and just let like once you realize that you don't feel as defensive it's if it's a person attacking you and you feel like i've got to defend against this this person but if you realize like really most people when they're saying shitty things to other people they don't know that person because they don't know themselves well the problem is even if they do like louis ck said something that's really appropriate here he we were talking about he goes it's just talk he goes it seems like it's different because it's written down but it's just

talk which is like one of the most ultimate louis ck things to say like people have always just like said crazy shit but it didn't didn't necessarily mean anything but now because it's written down all of a sudden we think it means something but it's basically just people talking shit right but they're talking shit and and some people unfortunately it's like too much of their life i've been around too many people where they're hanging out with you in the middle of the day and then they pull up twitter and you see their eyes gloss over they start arguing with someone on twitter and then they check it every five yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're talking to you, but then you have to check the Twitter.

I'm like, bro, this is not good for you. It's like Paw Patrol for my toddler. My wife's been putting off Paw Patrol now for a long time. I didn't know what it was. She's like, I don't like it. She was a nanny. So she's like, I don't want to do Paw Patrol. Finally, she's like, let's just do Paw Patrol.

We show them Paw Patrol. Suddenly, she's like, let's just do Paw Patrol. We show him Paw Patrol. Suddenly, Forrest is watching it. I'm like, hey, Forrest, you want to go feed the crows? Because in the morning, we feed the crows. And he doesn't answer. He's looking. And she says to me, he's gone. Paw Patrol.

He's in Paw Patrol now. But yeah, it is. I think that's the real tragedy. It's not so much the micro moments of feeling butt hurt because someone that you will never meet decided to say the meanest thing anyone ever said to you. That sucks. But what really sucks is all those moments when you're completely glue trapped into this technological opiate and you're not interacting with people around you yeah and then also you're carrying the weight of whatever the particular thing because like my god it's not like everyone out there is just like you know there's some precise

archers of pain out there we're not talking about a shotgun scanner. That's perfect. This is not your mama jokes. Yeah. This is like surgically designed. Yeah, Reddit assassins. Right, where you're just like, dear God, dear God, how do you know me so well? You're right. You're so good. Hi, my father.

You got me. You got me. But see, this is the difference between those buddhas you saw and humans because a human identifies that thing and number one pretends that it's weird that another human should have a flaw a paradox a fucking contradiction that they're not perfect and then for whatever reason will also think because you're not perfect in a specific way

I'm going to fucking do everything I can to expose and hurt you whereas those things that you saw they love you anyway. They love it itself. And so this is the difference

between... Humans are affected by demons is what you're trying to say. I'm saying... Demons to keep you from loving. Yes. Well, I'd say humans are not – the demons are just a confusion. It's not a demon. It's like a confusion.

The confusion is – I think surrounds what the nature of human identity really is. It's a confusion. It's a problem of – it like uh so and the term ignorance comes up in buddhism a lot and it doesn't mean like dumb it means active ignoring right so like any given person has within them stuff they're not proud of but not just not proud of like you'll admit it on a podcast you know like man i just love to like suck a woman's feet while I jerk off. Is it the most appealing thing? No. Do I feel weird admitting that? Not at all. Who cares, right? But I'm talking about the deep shit. There's stuff you don't want to say. You're

literally so ashamed of it that you don't want to look at it yourself so that's called active ignoring and so what that does is sweeping the shit under the rug so then now you're going through day to day ignoring whatever the fucking thing is you smack the person with cookies which is not that big a deal some people burnt their fucking grandparents house down and never told anybody you know what i mean and so you're going day to day and and you can't really you pretend you don't look at it. You don't look at it. You don't look at it. And then this is where aggression comes from is because because you are pretending you're something. And that takes so much energy, too, because you always have to, like, avert your eyes from this aspect of yourself that you consider to be subpar or whatever. And so this is this produces all this aggression. but because you're not looking at it in yourself,

you see it in someone else. So now it's all reflected all around you. Your entire life has become a disco ball upon which the shit you don't wanna look at is being reflected back at you over and over and over again. Now you're in hell, because the thing you thought you could just ignore is in your friends, it's in you could just ignore is in your friends.

It's in the government. It's in your dogs. It's in every single thing. Some version of it weirdly reflected. So that's called active ignoring. And so one aspect of Buddhism is the invitation. Look it in the eye. See what happens.

What happens if you stop ignoring it and just not just like look at it like it's separate from you. Be it fully, completely. Chogyam Trungpa calls it like compares it to like when you go out to like the Badlands. And yeah, is this a beautiful place by normal standards? No. Or even like volcanoes like in Iceland where that volcanic eruption happened. It's lava and cracked and inhospitable is it like beautiful in the sense of Hawaii no but it's fucking beautiful and so when

you start looking at the entirety of what you are you stop focusing on the Hawaii side and give some equal attention to the fucking Mordor side and in that you become a real person and all of a sudden the people around you that used to think were fucking like you know assholes or out to get you or this or that you stop seeing it in them anymore and the reason is is because you've acknowledged it in yourself this is the idea and then maybe you can become like those buddhas you saw because when you've done that with yourself and you see someone who's like thinks they're being clever and hiding the fucking thing. And the way I think I'm hiding my bald spot because I can't see it.

And then when I'm trying on clothes, I see it in the mirror and I'm like, oh, my God. Does everyone see that? Yes. They see it whenever you're walking in front of them. But anyway, so that's the idea. And then you can love people, not because they're perfect but because you see oh they're just like me they have shit that they're hiding from themselves they have shit they're embarrassed about they have shit they're working on but that's everybody everybody

everybody do you can i ask you this do you think that there's a there's something that's happening with the the understanding of this for the most part like a lot of what you're saying resonates with people it resonates with me i'm sure resonates with a lot of people that have embarrassing moments or disappointing moments in our life and they just don't like who they used to be and they want to move forward whether it's whatever it is losing weight whatever whatever it is just it's applicable to anything kicking addiction do you think that this and this new ability to discuss shit like this, like where in pop culture did this conversation ever get to take place up until now? In terms of the past, in terms of like if you wanted to reach millions of people, how the fuck could you do this on VH1?

How the fuck could you do this on MTV? Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, it's not their fault, but it's not what their business was. How could you do it on CBS or NBC? How could you do it on Fox? You couldn't, but it's not their fault, right? It's like, that's not what they do. They do something different. So here you are talking about this and a lot of people are like, yeah, but why do you think of yourself as who you were when you were 16? Or why do you think about yourself, who you were when you're five,

hitting your cousin in the head with a bag of cookies like why do you think about yourself like that what is it well it's weird it's memory but it's also there's a thing where the engine that tries to improve your life can get out of control and start gobbling up things it doesn't necessarily need to yeah and it starts taking over all the various aspects of life. You meet someone who's amazing, but they're also super hypercritical and they hate themselves. You're like, okay, listen, I think you're fucking awesome. Dude, why don't you like yourself?

So many people like you. You've got to retweak this thing. Turn it to the left. Click, click, click, click. You're out of alignment. And you see it. But you got to re tweak this thing turn it to the left click click click click you're out of alignment you know and you see it but you can't retweak it i don't know about that man no i mean i don't mean it's not i don't mean there's no hope i mean like uh pima children there's a great book it's called the wizard no escape but in the very beginning she says these people they take up this process of meditation because they want to become better people this is an aggression to yourself as you are right now it goes back to this idea

of like the thing here it's and this is not to say so therefore we don't improve but the idea is like right now what happens if because the thing you're talking about, the tortured mind, the way the mind produces thoughts, the way the tongue salivates, it just produces an infinite form of thoughts. An array of thoughts, many of which are completely mundane, some of which are encapsulated all of your neuroses all of your complexes all the things that you feel awful about all this all the karmic shit from your whole life right so if you begin to realize oh shit that's in me but i'm not sure it is me and then you start attacking it and like in other words you're like try to fix it it's a project now so i'm going to take this thing in my mind i'm going to fix it now you're interacting with it you're affirming it and the affirmation it becomes more condensed and crystallized then you become a person who's like deeply in the engaged

in the process of getting better i don't know if you ever run into those people there they've been reading self-help books for the last 30 years they're're just constantly like, I'm working on myself. The only thing that really shows is where are you? What have you done? That's what shows. What have you done? Where did you used to be? Where are you at now? Like right now, where are you at and why are you there?

Are you there because you just got kicked out of your parents' house and you're trying to get back on your feet? Or are you there because you're 40 and you've made every wrong decision over and over and over again and you're mad at everybody around you but you're not mad at yourself? Okay. Right?

Yes, and the invitation here is instead of coming to that conclusion, which is called waking up out of a dream, you wake up, you're like, oh my fucking God. It was all a dream. I used to read Word Up magazine. And you wake up and suddenly you it was all a dream i used to read word up magazine and you wake up and suddenly you're like man i used to read word up magazine now i can't pay my mortgage what i don't know where what the is happening and so so again in that moments a lot of people feel intense shame intense shame intense guilt so the idea is

the first step is like and then in that intense shame and guilt, how are you going to treat people around you? Right. Like shit. Because you're hurting. Yes. You're hurting. So the first step is at the very least do this wonderful thought experiment. To me, it's more than a thought experiment, but it's like what my guru, Neem Karoli Baba, talked about.

By the way, when you can just casually say my guru, that's what my guru, Nim Kuruli Baba, said. You know, that guy. Whatever, whatever. I'll just keep talking. I tried to say it super fast so you wouldn't notice it. You've said it to me a thousand times. I auctioneered it this time because I'm like, my guru, Nim Kuruli Baba. What did you say?

My guru, Nim Kuruli Baba. Yes. So the idea is, and it's really an intense idea, and these days it's weirdly controversial, and there's certain times when it's not the right thing to say to people, but essentially the idea is where you're at is perfect. Play around with that just for fun. Give yourself one minute.

After the one minute, you can go back to whipping yourself with the fucking belt of your mind because you didn't make the right choices or you're a bad boy or bad girl but for a minute play around with the idea that where you're at's perfect it's exactly where you need to be you're there in the same way people go to a gym because this situation is going to teach you everything you need to know about the universe and start living your life from that perspective so in other words you don't become passive and think oh this is perfect i'm addicted to fucking meth and my apartment is covered in cat shit no it doesn't mean you just leave it like that but instead of beating yourself up for it, just allow that to be perfect and then see how you start acting.

You know, man, when I've started taking these fucking vitamins and like, you know, I've been drinking more water and trying to eat better because the pandemic, I got a little unhealthy and now I'm feeling like good.

And when I'm feeling good, I'm nicer to people. It's just how it is. Like if I feel good, I'm going to be kind. For sure. So anyway, this is the idea is like first just let yourself be where you're at. That's perfect. It's wonderful.

In fact, you've been invited to the most incredible academy that ever was in the form that you've been invited to it to it in and the situation that you're in right now just forget the idea you you you cause this from a lot of decisions you made in the past half the time you were fucking asleep you didn't know what you were doing you were scared you were running from something you're fucking angry so angry you're dealing with your childhood the way you were raised and taught and trained. It's like when I got on, at one point when I was combating insomnia, and I got on Ambien. And fuck that shit, man. Talk to me about that. Oh my God, dude.

I got on Ambien. You know, Kevin James told me he went to the supermarket and bought food and came home and cooked it and doesn't remember any of it. Yep. Well, Ambien's- I think he went to the supermarket. Either way, cooked a fucking meal. It fucking sucks sucks was ready to call the cops in the morning thought someone broke into his house and cooked dinner not for me man it's like because it's like you want to you

want to sleep it's like a disassociative it's like you teleport from when you you close your eyes and you teleport to the next morning no rest just as though you jump through time and how do you feel fucking awful if you're me but to be to be fully honest that was when I was addicted to ketamine so I was like I was on a bit of a rampage man I will admit so it's hard to say it was necessarily because of ketamine a little fucking funny aside I full disclosure but uh that's a hilarious aside but I remember like the next morning my wife being like well do you know what you did last night and i'm like no and she's like well you kept calling

a temple in bhutan so like i was like i look at my phone and i was just calling this fucking beautiful temple in bhutan you know many times i't know what I was trying to do there, what was happening, but yeah, fuck Ambien, man. But the point is like- Maybe not fuck Ambien. Maybe while you were doing that, like maybe the problem with Ambien is not Ambien. The problem is that Ambien only, it only projects to everybody watching the reality of this carbon-based life.

Yeah. But when you're on Ambien and you're calling that temple, you're trying to mind-sync with a lot of these Buddhas. Yeah. They got on the phone with you, and you're like, Hey, man. Yeah. I'm fucking hanging out here in Georgia and was thinking I'd like to join.

I'm addicted to cannabis. Can you help me, Buddha? And then, through the phone, you don't even remember it. You wake up, you don't even feel like you slept. It's because you've been tripping balls all night with some Buddha. I would love to believe that.

I think probably what happened is I was one of many fucking high people who probably leave an answering machine every night at that stop being so hard on yourself. I will. Maybe you're a psychic. I will look, you know, man, I like I think like these days, like the big trick is that we is like it's just kind of give temporarily give up the project of crucifying all the people that you view as being like villainous. of crucifying all the people that you view as being like villainous and and and and realize that that you're you've kind of been crucifying yourself and you're not fooling anybody we all know that you are you have been tormenting yourself and and really you've been so hard a lot of people don't have a mom you know like i see the way my mom my my that's a fucked up freudian slip i see the way my mom, that's a fucked up Freudian slip. I see the way my wife acts with a child and that love.

And the children just eat it up, eat it up. It's like watching like rainfall. And it's like, I think how many people in the world do not have that situation? They don't have it. No one's loving them like that. No one's eating them up and loving them no matter what. And no one taught them to do it for themselves. Oh, God, it's a disaster, man.

And because of that, they secretly think they're just abject failures. They're comparing themselves to like LeBron James. You know, like when I'm writing, I compare myself to like Pekowski. And I'll look at my writing and be like, this is the worst writing i've ever seen in my life well no shit because you're comparing yourself to like one of the greatest writers that ever lived and so in my opinion and so anyway all i'm saying is like damn as planet on a planetary level yeah take you you don't have to tell anyone you're doing it but let's fucking have a little like a little armistice like on that christmas eve when the i think it was the french and the germans it's christmas they all played

football together yeah let's have a little armistice and for a second like just give yourself an hour of not thinking you're the most secretly rotten piece of shit that ever wandered across the planet and just realize you deserve all the love in the world and where you're at is just great and like you're great and i know no matter what you're like someone's listening to this who's like actively who's probably got a bowl of like hot dog shit they're just they're just eating it but but even that, just give yourself a break. I'm not saying start some bullshit sweet nonsense like be nicer to the people around you. I'm saying just give yourself a 30-minute respite from the never-ending constant secret self-loathing horror you've been subjecting yourself to. Because that's going to be a great 30 minutes.

you've been subjecting yourself to because you know that's it that's going to be a great 30 minutes yeah and if you can do that you'll probably have this inclination towards like spreading that to other people i i would say that could be an inevitable result of that but even if it's not even if you immediately go back to like fuck you motherfucker you fucking use that you i hate your voice i've never heard a more annoying voice than your voice. Whatever. Go back to it. Go back to the war and enjoy it. Dear Joe Rogan, why do you have that cuck with that fake voice on your show spouting out Marxist nonsense?

Yeah, it's not fucking Marxism. He's got a fucking Illuminati ring, bro. Oh, yeah. I wore the fucking Illati ring i got it this wonderful store in nashville oh jesus christ jesus god it's scary my instincts are on point though reflexes yeah i mean nothing's dropped i mean stop catch it hey dude did you see that naked girl attack the fucking hour heard yeah start throwing things and bottles of wine.

You got to watch the video. Can we watch the video? Okay, yeah, let's watch it. I saw it briefly on Instagram, and I didn't continue watching. I've limited my Instagram intake to positive things only. That's great. Well, I mean, I'm not sure this is entirely negative. And occasional car accidents.

Entirely negative. And occasional car accidents. You know, the problem with a lot of these videos, man, is you don't get the backstory. And that to me is like, I really want to know why she decided to attack this outback. Because she put on... Well, I have to blame her parents, first of all. Did you see the couple that fell off the balcony? Oh, yeah. Oh, that was horrible.

That was horrible. They're probably dead. No, they survived. They survived. The impact of the head. They survived. They had bad injuries, but they survived. She's 53.

I didn't think that was the case. She's 53? She actually looks pretty good. She looks great. Yeah, for 53. No, I think she just looks great. She's out of her mind. No, wait. That's way into it. Okay, for 53. No, I think she just looks great. She's out of her mind. No, wait.

That's way into it. Okay, that's way into it. You got to see the... Just go to the beginning. That video didn't happen. Oh, that's where it started? Yeah. Yeah.

Why did he tase her like that? Well, because she was running at him, and she had been like, you got to see the video before, and you'll understand. It wasn't like... He should have just gave her his number. Said, listen, I get off at six. Give her the number after you tase her. He should have just gave her his number so that's something I get off at 6. Give her the number after you tase her. Let's go have coffee. Sit down.

Talk about how you got naked at the Outback Steakhouse. I've got passes. I've got Applebee's discount coupons. You should be like a counselor. That's the thing they say about police. A lot of times these mental health issues, this is one of the defund the police ideas. They need mental health counselors. Not is one of the defund the police ideas.

They need mental health counselors, not police to do that kind of work. Dude, I've seen it work. Duncan. I've seen it work. Mental health counselors? I'm going to tell you a burning- That's what I'm saying about that guy. Yes, I agree with that.

I agree with that better. I'll tell you a Burning Man story that will make you make fun of me for a little bit if you want to hear it. Well, okay. Dude, one a week one week that's all I'm asking for so it Burning Man like oh wait let's just watch this okay the Burning Man it started it again it goes right to the guy I don't know the funniest part is like when she gets tasered I did not need to taser her man like honestly does he really need to taser her, man. Like, honestly. Does he really need to taser her? You got to watch the whole thing.

She was throwing bottles at him. What did she say about my sister? I don't know. Call Brian Casey. Call Brian Casey. God, poor Brian Casey. Brian done had a sexual relationship with the wrong lady. This is so crazy. Call Brian Casey. Brian done had a sexual relationship with the wrong lady. This is so crazy.

Call Brian Casey. I like how she's got sneakers on, but totally naked. I think those are flip flops. Are they? I thought she had a bikini on when I first saw it, but apparently not. But that would be the move. What do you mean? The bikini's the move?

That's the move. Yeah. You make your point. You don't have to go to jail. What do you mean? The bikini's the move? That would be the move. Yeah. You make your point. You don't have to go to jail. I think you go to jail. It doesn't matter what you're wearing if you're demolishing a bar. But yeah, she was like hurling bottles at him and then he tased her. That's hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah. That's how it goes, man. What do you mean? Well, you hang out with one of them gals. That's how it goes. Oh, right. A lot of fun in the beginning, not so much fun at the end.

That was a bad swipe. Yeah. Somebody swiped the wrong way. No narcotics in her system, outside of THC, it says. Yeah, outside of being out of her fucking mind. You don't have to have narcotics to be crazy. That sucks to own a bar and someone calls and is like, yeah. It's no different from a bear getting in your house.

They should have their watermark on that bar. It'd be worth a million dollars in advertising. It's a fucking NFT. Right. Sell it. It's an NFT. Make yourself some doji coin. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Doji coin. I just invested in doji. I thought it was doge. Whatever. You're probably right. I'm not paying attention.

You got to invest. We got to drive up the price I got in at 36 cents it seems like anonymous is mad at Elon Musk for tweeting about a Bitcoin and fucking around right I didn't know anonymous but is that real why is the thing like who where's the what's the source of anonymous that might be artificial intelligence from Russia like that created some video to try to make us think that some people out there are really mad about Elon. Typing that in, typing anonymous mad at Elon, 24 hours ago story on the same website says,

anonymous accuses Elon Musk of destroying lives. Updated five hours ago, anonymous denies involvement in anti-Elon Musk video. Yeah. See, anybody can make a video and say, I'm anonymous, and I think that Elon Musk should eat shit, or I'm going to blow the planet up. How many times, honestly, how many times have you secretly thought, I'm going to make an anonymous video? I mean, who the fuck is the anonymous spokesperson, and are we sure?

Exactly. That's my mistake. Are we sure? Are we sure this is the anonymous spokesperson how the fuck do we know wendy's on tunnel road in nashville your time has come yeah just like who's who's the boss here you guys have to have a president like the nra you can't just run they can't just run around and call yourself anonymous i did see a story yesterday uh not as deep as this, but there are ransomware attacks happening, not just like that gas pipeline, but there are multiple cities. There's like a hospital that was going to have all of their records deleted

within five days or something. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, Jamie. No, go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off. There's like a $55,000 payment they're requesting. Well, they attacked the meat supply. Meat supply, gas.

They attacked the gas supply. They just called this small town. The small town, they paid, but they were like, look, we can only get together $8,000. You hit up the wrong people here. But let's look at this. Let's look at this honestly. Think about what happened right here in Texas when the power went out for a week and everybody panicked.

Think of what would have happened if the power grid collapsed. Like they said, it was like minutes away from collapsing. Think of what would happen if that's nationwide. Think of what would happen if somehow or another China or Russia figured out a way to collapse our power grid through some sort of computer virus. Think about instead of China or Russia, one rogue hacker that decided he wanted to do it. Forget about a nation.

Exactly. What about someone who's doing it for the lulz? This is the problem. This is why. This is one of the Fermi paradox things, man, which is like if you look at human personalities, most of us when we get a technology, we're totally cool with it. I grew up in the South. My dad had a fucking arsenal. I've never seen so many guns.

He had the number of guns like a general in Eastern Europe would need. That many guns he had he had like the number of guns like like a general in like eastern europe would would need you know like that many guns and never never the worst thing that happened to him is apparently he like was hunting doves hit a a vulture act you know and it threw up on his face it's like my mom would like happily tell that story after the divorce but like but that's it with the guns but what one tiny percentage of us is so insane that we're gonna take that fucking thing and ruin it for everybody else so that is a problem because right now it's guns and definitely computers for sure people have already been using computers using computers to do more than just like, I'm going to make a cool app where you can learn how to code.

People have obviously been using computers. Like the people who made the early computer viruses. I used to work in my computer lab at my college, and I had a cork board of viruses that I found in computers in the early days. Just for fun. It was cool. So clearly people are going to do that with computers so okay CRISPR gene editing oh yeah right now if I wouldn't know how to get all the shit I need to have whatever a CRISPR gene editing thing is or I wouldn't never in a million years probably be able to get the stuff to do gain-of-function genetic engineering on things.

But what about in 20 years? What about in 50 years? Eventually, if we have around the entire planet one person who's butthurt, that's the apocalypse. That's the apocalypse. So this is the Fermi paradox where they say like why why aren't we seeing? Things out there in the universe. It's because on these planets where they developed a technology that could easily have created a utopia There was one supreme Asshole who is like let me see what happens if I fuck with the mouse pox again. Yeah, and then

Just everyone dead. Well, you know, I had a bit about that. It's that episode of Black Mirror. Oh, that's right. That's why he gets all that DNA from everyone he hates. God damn, that's a good movie. Have you ever seen that episode of Black Mirror? I didn't finish that. It's so good.

What? That's how it is? It's so good. I don't want to say anything. I don't want to say anything. I got so... You got to watch it. Watching that made me so nervous I couldn't finish it.

It's so good. I can't get through some Black Mirror episodes. I got a piece so bad. Yeah, Watch it again. That watching that made me so nervous I couldn't finish it. It's so good. I can't get through some Black Mirror episodes. I gotta pee so bad. Yeah, well... I'm gonna come back. You guys talk about Black Mirror, but I do have a point. What were we just talking about so I can remember? Viruses, Fermi Paradox, super apocalypse.

That's right. Got it, got it, got it. I gotta pee so bad. Go pee, man. Usually it's me. I feel kind of... That's pretty cool. I don't know what happened.

Yeah, we had two shows today. So you got... So you're just playing golf now. You're out know what happened. Yeah, we had two shows today. So you got, so you're just playing golf now. You're out of video games? Oh, yeah, hard turn. Am I allowed to say that, Jamie? No, it's both.

I'm adding that to it. I've always done most Tiger Woods golf back in the day. Have you started buying clubs? Oh, yeah, yeah. I went for a fitting. A fitting? I have two drivers now. How much does a driver cost? They can go up to, I mean, really, I've learned. I have two drivers now. How much does a driver cost?

They can go up to, I mean, really, I've learned, I'm learning, I'm diving head first into this. They can go up to probably a couple thousand dollars,

but that's a driver head, the shaft, the grip. Dude, I had, so, okay, so I had a friend

a long time ago who played Burzum to me, you know, like death. People always, it's doom, metal, or death. It's like intense, heavy-duty, hardcore music. And he played it for me when I was really high. And I was like, oh.

And he said, like, do you feel the pull? Do you feel it? And I'm like, oh, my God, I feel it. It's like hypnotic. It, like, draws you in. That's how I feel about golf. It's close, yeah. It's scary.

Like, you feel this this i don't know because to me when i look at it i think that seems like something you should have to pay people to do it's like you're hitting a ball and you it's like with the tools you're using are horrible for you could pick it up but but so many people have given over their entire lives to this thing, indicating it's got to be the most joyful thing on earth. But why? What makes it so? I'm starting to think about it recently, comparing to every other sport.

The thing I've got onto right now is that it's you versus nature. You versus yourself, but it's also you versus nature. Because the day you go out there has a lot to do with everything that's going to happen. Wind, sun, rain. That, and then can you conquer that? Can you take the course over? I don't know. It gets a little way too much. I'm not that deep into it. No, but most people, when they're playing pool, most of the conditions are controlled for them.

Yeah, that's all inside. So it's you versus yourself more than that. Bowling, controlled conditions. Locked into a space, but this is the whole you have 7,000 yards of space to fuck around in. Wow. And suck. Suck a lot. You suck so hard. You always suck. But you never get better. You talking about

golf? Yeah, he just started bringing it up, so hey. Yeah, Jamie's obsessed with hitting the ball far right here. Aren't you afraid of getting sucked into golf, man? I'm terrified. Me too. I don't play it. But I can't play pool that much.

I'm getting a pool table installed here soon, but I've been avoiding pool. I'm going to try it. I can't have the video games. We did the video games for a few months, and I was like, yeah. You get too hooked. Daddy can't have the video games. Yeah. We got problems. Because you start feeling crazy. a few months and I was like you get too hooked daddy can't have the video games yeah we got problems because you because you start feeling crazy you start feeling like what am I fucking crazy that to me is like protecting my children against wolves it becomes this obsessive thing

yeah where it's like I gotta protect the tribe I gotta you get locked into these goddamn games because they're so exciting good god God, these days are special. I wish I wasn't such a simpleton because if I could fucking just play for like one hour and stop, I cannot. Because at one hour, I start getting a better feel of where my cursor's going. When I'm moving the mouse around, I get a better understanding of strafe jumping and how to aim with my rail gun. Same. Can't do it. Same.

I'm too dumb. I get too excited. I get too locked in. And there's the realization that that's more fun than anything else I do ever. The best. Other than beautiful things involving people that you love dearly, like real love and emotions and real moments, like regular shit you do like watch TV, is never exciting as a game of Quake.

If you and I were sitting in front of two monitors, playing Quake, calling each other pussies, yelling at each other, laughing when we died, it's a cackling, ridiculous fun time. We would walk out of that studio and our fucking heart would be beating too fast. Our adrenaline would be pumping. As I've gotten into golf, this is what it's about, really. It's about hanging out with three of your friends, playing terribly,

but drinking beer and talking shit for four or five hours. That's what it's really about. Do you dress up in the golf wear? Only if you have to. He does. He has to. That's my rule. Because you kind of actually do have to. They's what it's really. Do you dress up in the golf wear? Only if you have to. He does. He has to. That's my rule. Because you kind of actually do have to.

They won't let you play. He has to wear plaid pants and knee high socks. You have to. There are weird rules. Like I just heard there's a rule. I need to have it explained to me. But in England and Scotland on some of these courses, if you don't turn in your card with your handicap correctly,

right when you're a scorer, you're going to be like banned from the course. Okay. So you won't even be allowed to play again. So I, you know what i don't want to say because i don't i don't like shit talk on here the point is like golf people are a little uptight yeah what are you saying okay i'm saying a friend of mine you're saying they're secretly gay a friend of my one now i'm not saying that that's how what i got out of it no i i that's what i got out of what you were the way you were saying it. It seemed like that's what you meant. Most people who work

at golf shops, I have made love to. Male or female. Thank God you're the first one to say it. I was going to say they're erotic. I think everybody's going to go, me too. It's going to be like that scene in Toy Story. Look, what's more erotic than golf?

Nothing. A sentence that's never been said but like some people love it but some golfer they're uptight is what i'm saying are golfers uptight well it's very fancy there's a movie i think about it all the time it's why i think i even like it at all it's called tin cup kevin costner's in it i remember that about in texas golf there's two modes that he's like this laid back golf pro doesn't give a shit about a lot of things and susan sarandon's hot it's fun renee russo isn't she in there renee russo's in it who's the other one uh i don't know who it's not susan sarandon i don't think so google that i will um i feel like that but he's definitely renee russo he's just going against some pro who's like it's his life and he he's just wanting to make a name for himself one time just one time yeah and at the end of the

movie it is but i think i'm thinking of the wrong movie. Maybe I'm not, though. Golf movies? Oh, you're right. I'm thinking of a baseball movie. There was a baseball movie with Kevin. She's in Bull Durham. That's right.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, that movie. That was a great movie, too. Kevin Costner's made some goddamn gems. Except Waterworld. Hey, guys, a custom to... You know what's great about Waterworld?

Waterworld sucks, but that fucking show at Universal they do? Yeah. It's really fun. Okay, fuck people. I'm not you. I'm sorry. You know I love you, but I'm sorry. I disagree with the Waterworld critics.

Are you kidding? The movie? What are you looking for? It's hilarious. Now it is, but it's like Showgirls, but in water. What else would you want in the world than water? But no, you don't get it. Back in the day, it was like a wet

The Postman. Did you see that one? That was his other giant flop. By the way, Kevin Costner, I love you to death. Me too, Kevin Costner. A giant fan. You tried. Waterworld, you tried. Listen, man, if I made that movie, it would was sucked a thousand times worse But you also did dances with wolves. I fucking love that guy. He's been a lot of great movies

That's not my point my point is like like Water world is not a good movie. It's just not good and the postman is not a good movie either They're just not good. They didn't work well But the Waterworld show at Universal is really good. Yeah. It's really fun. You know what, man? Somebody worked on Waterworld. A lot of people know.

I have friends that worked on Waterworld. It's got good reviews on Google. Of course it does. It's a joke. They're just fucking around. I'm just saying there's nothing crueler you can say to an artist than to say, you know, the thing you made is not that great, but there's a universal ride based on it. Cool.

That's what they say about Fear Factor. Is there a universal Fear Factor ride? Yes. No shit. Some other dude does Fear Factor at Universal. It has nothing to do with me. I'm three people removed. It's like that guy and then Ludacris.

You know about the imposter Blippi? You know Blippi? You know who Blippi is? No. Blippi is like the new Pee Wee Herman. He's like my kid. the imposter Blippi? You know Blippi? You know Blippi is? No. Blippi is like the new Pee Wee Herman. He's like my kid. Do you know Blippi? Blippi. Blippi, by the way, I'm sorry.

I really do love Blippi. In the same way we were saying I love Kevin Costner, I love Blippi. Can I just stop for a second? I don't think I'm ever doing shows with the lights on again. Yeah, this is nice. This is my favorite show. Okay, so that's Blippi, right my favorite show so that okay so that's blippy right now blippy that's the imposter blippy which one the one on the right is the imposter the one on the left is the original blippy so blimpy did he eat the original blip no so that the blippy on

the left gotten there was some controversy because the blippy on the left started doing tours saying he was going to be at the tours but the bl Blippi on the right showed up at the tours. And so people were like, what the fuck? It's not the real Blippi. It's an imposter Blippi. What is Blippi on? Blippi's on YouTube. Angry parents are demanding refunds for YouTube star Blippi's live show.

The popular kid's entertainer previously involved in a poop video scandal. The popular kids entertainer previously involved in a poop video scandal. Launching a live show tour using an impersonator. By the way, I'm going to say that again. Previously involved in a poop video scandal. This is why the aliens won't land. You fucking fools. You're holding us back.

The aliens are hovering and then plunging into the ocean. Blippi. It's a fake. They get a fake Blippi. We can't. Not yet. You know what it's like? It's like a complex souffle.

You want to make sure you pull it out of the oven at the exact time. And the aliens are like, not yet. You don't want it to collapse. Not yet. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They got their oven mitts on. They're looking through the glass window in the oven. Like, not yet.

They're not done yet. They made a fake Blippi. Like, damn, I thought it was done. Not yet. He's an entrepreneur. I got to say this. The aliens, I think Blippi is one of the great things about humans. Scroll back down. Hold on a second.

Right there. I didn't find out until five seconds after I submitted my payment and Ticketmaster refused to refund me, said Angelina Sikowsky, who spent $126 on tickets to the New Jersey show. Angelina Sikowsky in New Jersey would be a fucking blast to do coke with. Tchaikovsky in New Jersey would be a fucking blast to do coke with. Ticket Masters didn't seem to have any info about it being an actor on their website. The info is buried on the bottom of the Frequently Asked Questions page on Blippi's website. Yeah. It's like Gallagher 2.

It's the scandal repeats itself. Well, look, you know, I love Blippi. You love Blippi blimpy well no but when my what's your favorite thing about blimpy because what's cool about blimpy is he like you know in the way you go to walt disney world and walt disney clearly respects kids there's like the toilets are the size for kids and like there's a sense of like understanding child intelligence is as astute as an adult they just don't have the words yet he's really good at that so like when he's like showing like a fire truck he's not brushing over anything he's like pointing out all the things that like my that a kid would be interested in which is like what's that what's that what's

that what's that that's what I like I think it's really like of all the crazy shit that we've watched my kid it's the most like it like at least it, like, acknowledges that children have some, like, intelligence. So, that being said, when, so, the way YouTube works is you're just watching Blippi videos. You know how it is, man. A two-year-old. Whoa! I found his band video that got him in trouble. What is it?

It was that video. It was a Harlem Shake video. Wait, show the Harlem Shake, not while I'm,'m like singing the praises of Blippi. God dammit. So he's pooping. This is the pooping video that got in trouble? Yeah, sorry. Oh, he's pooping on his friend.

Oh my god. Oh boy. Oh, one more time. Rewind that a little bit. Don't! Rewind that. I need to see that. Okay.

I was willing to go to bat for him until he just shit all over his friend like legitimately says harlem we have to learn to forgive joe i don't want to say the url that's not where it is anymore all right so this dude gets up and he literally hershey squirts and empties out on his friends a big regret the friend's flinching like a first-time porn star catching a facial no it's friends acting like a roach that got sprayed with some kind of poison. It's just bizarre that his friend is lying ass up in the air, also naked, while this dude shits on his naked asshole and dick. Listen.

Some things should be illegal. I think we have to forget. Like, Flippy grew up a little bit. He wanted some views. He ate bad ramen and shit on his friend. It doesn't change the fact. Something should be illegal, though, Duncan. Shitting on your friend should not be illegal.

You can't shit in your friend's asshole. The apocalypse could come out of that. Imagine if the next plague didn't come out of a wool hand lab, but this guy shitting into his friend's asshole. Just imagine if there's something that happened when shit heats shit and it just becomes some super toxic evil alien. You know, it's like mad cow disease from prions. The idea is that a human being, if you, Jakob's Kretzfeld disease is when cannibals eat like human spinal tissue. That's one of the ways you get it, but they

then get that disease from humans eating other' spinal tissue and brain matter, right? So they get the prion disease. Well, that's the same thing, isn't it? Because it's not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to ever eat your friend's brain, right? So nature's like, yo, this guy's got to die. You can't have him eating his friend's spinal column. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

So nature has some like built-in fail-safes to keep you from eating your friends Yeah, but this motherfucker shitting in his own friend's asshole like nature's not ready for that yet Well nature thinks it's fine because blippy's still alive. He makes great kids videos. So it's okay John started making gross out videos in 2013 under the persona of Steezy Grossman, a boy who was born as poop after his parents had anal sex. He makes great kid videos!

Who hasn't been a kid? And Logan Paul put up a hell of a fight last night. That's right! We're living in a clown world! We're living in a clown world. We're living in a clown world. We're living in a clown world. Logan Paul went eight rounds with the greatest boxer that's ever lived. Dude, I mean, like, there's no, because there, like, you know, many people, and I think Logan Paul is aware of this, were looking forward to the satisfaction of watching Logan Paul being knocked out by a great boxer.

There was a sense of, like, we are going to see the hand of justice in the world. You can't just decide you're going to fight the greatest boxer that ever lived and come out of that unscathed. You're dead. and come out of that unscathed, you're dead. We were watching it the way people used to watch Gladiator things, where they would put the fucking short-faced bear out and let the gladiator fight it. You know what's going to happen. The bear's going to eat the fucking gladiator.

But not in this case. In this case, it didn't happen. But here's my, you know, I wrote an Instagram post about it today because I was genuinely, all day, I was thinking before I got here, when I was at the gym, I was working out, and I was thinking, I was like, there's something about that that's really intriguing to me. Like, what is it? And I tried to figure out what it was.

Like, what about the novelty of the moment? Like, you, me, Tom Segura, Tony Hinchcliffe, Ron White, and Curtis. Curtis Nelson were all sitting in my house. We couldn't wait. The thing is about to happen. We were all like, I can't believe this is happening. I can't believe this is happening. We're looking at them across the ring from each other.

Jake Paul's like three feet taller than him. I'm like, this is bananas. This is so wild. And he survived. And Floyd Mayweather made like a hundred million dollars he'd made he made like a hundred million dollars fighting a guy who had never won a professional boxing match holy shit the annoying thing it's amazing the announcers weren't acknowledging what was happening which was was like, what the fuck? The problem is they had too many people talking. They had a lot of people talking.

There was Mauro. Yeah. How do you say their names? Dezo Samaro. Dezo Samaro. Who's the other guy? Mauro Ranallo. Mauro Ranallo, I already said,

and there was one other gentleman. The guy who got in the ring and interviewed Floyd and... I turned it off. I didn't see. Anyway, there was one, two, three, four guys talking, which is a lot of people talking. Right. It's hard to do. But it would have been nice to have options, is what you said.

If there was an optional stream, we could listen to like Teddy Atlas. Yeah. Like a boxing expert. Because those guys were being funny, and they were having a good time, and everything like that, which is great. And I think that comes from Triller. You know Triller, like you have Snoop Dogg fucking around. Oh, yeah.

No, no, I get it. I understand what the reason was behind it. But sitting next to – I'm not – like I don't watch boxing a lot. So it's cool to be sitting next to you and you're like, oh, look, he's like trying to drain him. Or, oh, look, he fucked up because in the very beginning he expended too much energy. These are things I don't even know. So that's all just it just added a dimension to it that was well i was trying to break it down technically i'm like there's some interesting things that are happening here like first of all floyd is consistently putting pressure on him and moving

and putting pressure on him and moving putting pressure on him and after the third and fourth round everything comes out a little slower so he has to be more measured so what floyd is doing like is consistently engaging with him and then pulling out and consistently engaging and making him swing and miss and swing and miss it's brilliant for people that got mad at it i get it it's not manny pacquiao versus floyd mayweather five years ago but what it is is one of the best boxers of all time making $100 million fighting a guy who's three feet taller than him and 35 pounds heavier than him who can't win. It's amazing. It's amazing.

It's amazing. Dude, that fight was amazing. And there's a lot of amazing things. First of all, Floyd's amazing. The fact that Floyd has the balls at 44 years old to decide, oh, I'm just going to go ahead and fight some dude who's 35 pounds heavier than me and 26 years old. It's crazy. It's crazy. And then the fact that he could put it on a guy like Logan Paul. And here's another one. The fact that Logan Paul went all eight rounds. That's astoundingounding you have no idea how tired you would be if you were boxing with the greatest boxer that's ever lived i mean maybe

he's not the greatest because that's subjective but in my opinion he's the greatest the reason why he's the greatest in my opinion is he's only been hit hard and hurt like three times his whole fucking career there's no one that can say that. The art of boxing has always been hit and not get hit. And in my mind, no one's ever done that better than Floyd Mayweather. Now here he is in his 40s. He's made hundreds of millions of dollars fighting people who have really no chance of beating him.

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, man. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, man. It's amazing. Dude. The controversy of the day. Oh, people think he got knocked out? That he got knocked out and he's being held up right here.

Get the fuck out of here. People are so silly. Dude, what if- You don't understand. They don't understand shit about getting hit in the head. These are the same dummies. He's just hanging on, man. He's just-

He went for an overhook. You guys have no idea. This position right here, high elbow, going in for an overhook. You guys have no idea. This position right here, high elbow going in for an overhook. If he was wrestling, he would go back the other way and throw him on his back. This is a normal thing for a wrestler. Logan was a wrestler. In fact, ready for this? See how he's got that high overhook on the left-hand side?

Watch how this happens again. This is what happens when a bunch of people comment on fights that don't know shit. You see that high overhook? Watch one more time. So he hits him, and now look at Logan's right arm. Watch what happens. Or excuse me, left arm. See what happens?

He's in control. He's holding on to him. Right, right, right. He's a wrestler. He's not going limp. My friend Guy Sacco, who runs Defense Soap, that's his company. He owns that company that I rave about all the time. He told me today that Logan Paul was one of his wrestlers in the 1990s.

And he said he was really fucking good. He said he was a really talented kid. There's a video of him wrestling with Paulo Costa, who is a UFC middleweight contender. Like a beast of a guy. And Logan fucking scrambles on this guy. And he looks really good. He can fucking wrestle. So when you see that, he's not knocked out, you knuckleheads.

You stop talking about fighting. He's holding on, and he's protecting himself, and he's controlling Floyd, and he's pushing his head to Floyd's chest. This is what happens when you don't get commentary from a guy like Daniel Cormier or from a guy like Teddy Atlas or, you know, all the Max Kellerman, Jim Lampley, all the people that really understand boxing, you know, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Those are the people that are supposed to be commenting on boxing. Timothy Bradley.

I think it shows Logan Paul, for whatever reason, even though he knows he's gotten good at boxing, he didn't realize that he's become a contender. He felt weird about it, and so he had funny announcers. He wanted that to happen. That was the decision he made. I don't think it was his decision. I think it was Showtime's decision.

Well, anyway, you know what? This is what has occurred to me. What if Logan Paul starts getting good at other shit? It was Showtime's decision. Well, anyway, you know what? This is what has occurred to me. What if Logan Paul starts getting good at other shit? It's like people think he's going to keep boxing, but the next thing is he gets into fucking chess. And he almost beats a grandmaster. And then after chess, he becomes an incredible violinist. You know what I mean?

So now you're watching Logan Paul in some symphony doing the most incredible thing. Look, it's not impossible. Here's the thing. It's not impossible. But it's just going to require a tremendous amount of effort and growth. But it's not impossible. See, the difference between someone who tries to get really good at fighting, who's obviously a really good athlete like Logan Paul, and someone who gets really good at chess is you

don't have any inherent advantages anymore. Because if you're a strong, fast person, you have advantages. And those advantages ultimately trip you up in your mindset of learning, right? And I realize this from martial arts, both from myself and from other people that I watched. There's certain people that they were really physically talented and ultimately it was bad for them because the physically talented

people relied on their physical talents and didn't learn the technique as as like cleanly as the people who weren't physically talented right it's there's nowhere that's more true than jujitsu in jujitsu the best fighters are not the most physically talented people necessarily. The best ones to learn from are usually the smaller people. And like Eddie Bravo was not a very big guy. You know, there's a bunch of people like that. Hoyler Gracie, not a very big, Marcelo Garcia, not a very big guy, but they're super, super, super technical because of that. And you learn from them, you're learning the real right some people they like unfortunately they just get for they get fortunate unfortunately they get fortunate you know where they have like these physical gifts and so they're not forced to

learn and grow but joe this is what we were talking about earlier here's the problem what happens when suddenly that goes away that That entire process goes away. So now you're not forced to grow. And I don't think that's true, Duncan. This is why I'm arguing this. This is what I was arguing before. This is what I'm arguing now. I think we've conflated struggle with improvement.

Oh, cool. I don't think they're necessary. I don't think they're necessary. I think, listen, if anybody thinks it's necessary, it's me. Dude, I get up at 7 o'clock in the morning thinking I'm a loser. And I can't wait to go to work. Yeah, man, all day. I hate everything I do.

What? I want to work out like a fucking demon constantly. Hey, that's the only way. It works like the way it works with me. I have to have like a battle to fight. So you feel like that might not be necessary. My battle's always internal. It's always internal. It's

always internal. Like almost always. Like the thought process behind it is always my own criticisms of my own work. Holy fuck, man. There's no, you know what? That's why, but that's why I'm, if you look at the numbers or how successful some of the things that I've done is it's not me. It's like a weird mental illness that plugs perfectly into some endeavors yeah it's so weird that's what it is it's like a mental illness that wants to be nice to people but also wants to want to run I want to go let's go yeah like it's all day let's go let's go duca it's suffering it's like yeah I had, I had this weird moment when I realized, oh my God, the thing I think of as inspiration a lot of the times is just me trying to escape from my own suffering.

Yes. Yes. That's why you're running so hard. That's why you're trying to accomplish things. We're all trying to escape from our own suffering. And I 100% recognize that. And all of my ambition and all of my like even like my most aggressive moments I look at like they're weak it's a weakness okay it's a weakness it's a

weakness to embrace this resistance against the ultimate it's a weakness to to hype up aggressiveness to like compete it's 100% a weakness I'm aware of it while I'm doing it exhausting. It is exhausting But it's also it's sometimes fun, too. It's like both things right? It's like sometimes fun Yeah, and dole's in like the the chimp DNA. Oh, yeah, let it loose Well, you know, this is the crazy like this is one of the this is probably I'm sorry my Buddhist friends I shouldn't even be talking at this point. Why? Because I'm a little drunk. Buddhists get mad when you talk drunk?

No, but there's some, no, they don't get mad. Any real, like anyone who's a Buddhist, probably is not going to get mad. It's not like that kind of thing. It's more like you don't want to like, I guess anyone looking at someone in a robe wearing a wig who hears what they're saying is like, that must be what Buddhism is. That's their fault. wearing a wig who hears what they're saying is like that must be what Buddhism is in other words like it's not like to give the ideas like what's cool about Buddhism is it's so beautiful and the system is so beautiful that you don't want to like you don't want to put it in the same way if you were talking about jiu-jitsu you wouldn't want to say a thing about how to train that was slanted a little bit because you wouldn't want to hinder someone's like ability to become good at jujitsu yeah for sure that that's what i mean that's just that but

so there's this idea of like um it's samsara and nirvana uh like in other words like confusion and enlightenment are wrapped up together right or bliss and suffering are actually the same thing like well you know in jujitsu they're connected like teaching and improving or radically connected oh inexorably oh you mean like to teach helps you get better yeah right yes but yeah i you know you respect jujitsu and i and i respect buddhism no i respect both those both i know you do i don't but i mean enough to be like where you would want you don't want to convey something. I just know Jiu Jitsu in an intimate way, but those

two things go hand in hand. My friend Brent, he we were like kind of the same level I think we were like purple belts at the time and we always used to have like really good roles and then he became an instructor and started teaching people.

And like right away, I was in danger. Like maybe like, you know, sometimes like jujitsu is weird. If you take a class, like you've been in it. You've taken classes. You know, it's weird. Like you might be in the same class with a guy like four weeks in a row and never roll with him because there's 100 people in the class. You're rolling with a bunch of different people.

Then one time I rolled with him and all of a sudden I'm in deep shit. Yeah. I'm in danger and it fucked up my elbow for like a couple of weeks. Like I didn't, he got me into Kimura and I wouldn't tap and I tried to get out of it and I couldn't do chin-ups. I was fucked up. Yeah. It was like a lesson.

But he got way better. From teaching. From teaching. And then I think there's two things going on i think one is the examination of the the fundamentals and the deep understanding of positions but i also think there's something about helping other people that's like really good for the the head yeah really good for the head yeah for sure and there's something about like hell when you have your head in a good place, you can be freer with your movements.

Yes. You feel less burdened down. Absolutely. But martial arts, there is for sure a hierarchy that acknowledges various belts or levels of expertise. It's teacher. And there's nothing worse, I'm sure, and I know it happens because I thought, what's that great Instagram account? you know, various belts or levels of expertise. It's teacher. And like to, there's nothing worse, I'm sure.

And I know it happens because I thought, what's that great Instagram account? Make Dojo Life. Oh my God. It's so good. There was a guy, we went on today about a guy like shaking guys off with his shoulders. Yeah.

It gets dumber and dumber. And the thing is the dude who created that website, like he's run out. I mean, excuse me. He hasn't run out of examples. There's so many. There's so many examples of the most ridiculous shit.

So many. Look at this guy. By the way, this is happening with Snoop sounds. So Snoop's music is playing. Give me a little Snoop. Are you kidding me, man? No. Watch.

Look at this. You put your hands to the side and go up and down. Then you ooh to the groove and you move it around. Are you kidding me, man? No. Watch. Look at this. It's so dumb. This guy's pretending that no one, like these, I don't know what's happening. It's like these guys are like bad actors. They're falling down and falling behind him. Look how they're grabbing his shoulders and falling down. At this point, here's my worry. That's meta. My worry is that it's meta. My worry is that. Oh, they're grabbing his shoulders and falling down. At this point, here's my worry.

That's meta. My worry is that it's meta. Oh, they're trying to get on. They're trying to get on McDojo Life. And they're creating videos. Probably. There's a little bit of that. This right here is fucking with me. Because these guys are bad actors. They have smiles on their faces. And he's wearing sunglasses. One guy's wearing sunglasses.

Sunglasses are a dead giveaway, it feels like. This is a setup, man, but it's a funny setup. McDojo Live might be behind the camera. How about that? Oh, God! You son of a bitch. You know what it's like? It's like when the government does those things. They do black ops, and then they do false flags, right?

He ran out of videos, man. And he has to keep it going. He's got false flags. I don't know if they're false videos, man. And he has to keep it going. He's got false flags. I don't know if they're false flags, bro. I love you. I'm just joking around. I think there's enough people out. There might be, and they might just be making these videos to get put up here.

But at the end of the day, there's a lot of those videos. Most of the videos McDojoLife at Instagram puts up are fucking real. And it's disturbing. It's a great account to follow. But all I'm saying is the reason when I'm saying that I'm confused regarding Buddhism is because I would never in a million years want to be the person professing to know a thing they don't understand. And I think it's important in both jiu-jitsu and and and any kind of real any kind of path that like there has to be some acknowledgement that there are actual teachers like there is a way of conveying the ideas that has been evolved over thousands of

years that is the best way to convey the ideas and then there's also people like us who just love talking about it but it's good to make a distinction because at least you alert people. If you wanted to go deep into it, there's an Eddie Bravo. There's a David Nicker. There's a Ram Dass. There's a person you could go to if you really want to go deep into it that's there for you. Or you can just listen to us talk about it and talk about it like us. And that's also completely great. You know what's interesting, man, in boxing that exists where people that are not even really good at it are really good at teaching it?

Oh, wow. That's cool. Yeah. Like there's a bunch of people that were one of the – Interesting. Some of the best boxing trainers that have ever lived and they weren't great boxers. Like Angelo Dundee, the guy who trained sugar a leonard and muhammad ali yeah not a notable boxer emmanuel stewart a guy who trained thomas the hitman hearns jerald mcclellan

milton mccrory i mean emmanuel stewart lennox lewis emmanuel stewart is a legend wasn't really a great boxer himself wasn't a world. There's a bunch of those people. Teddy Atlas is another one. I think that's one of the shitty things people say. They go, those who do not, can't do it, teach it. And it's like, fuck you. No, it's not fair, dude. It's not fair.

People have genetic advantages. They have societal advantages, cultural advantages. And some people just learn things. They're really good at teaching things. There's a lot of those out there. Go, Pete. I'll be right back. This is so fun.

I never want to do it. Because move here. We'll do it once a week. Jesus. I told you. Let's make a deal, son. Come on. Let's make a deal.

I've become a production company, young Jamie. If there's anything you'd like to get made, let me know. I've got a list. Oh, do you? Yeah. Good. What about PullThatUpJamie.com? Oh, that's not even yours.

No, they won't let me have it. This son of a bitch, that Weinstein fella, who I love to death. Eric, you can't own PullThatUpJamie.com. That's rude. Squatter. You're a squatter come on man just because you're my friend eminent domain on a domain but young jamie.com is live and you can get all sorts of like alien abduction shirts pull that up jamie.com those will be available again

soon pull it up you should sell t-shirts on your website that say give jamie back pull that up jamie.com and make them in a rainbow so people have to go they have to agree with you no you make it in a rainbow like a napoleon dynamite vote for pedro shirt but with a rainbow if you put the rainbow in people think you support lgbt issues i was trying to make an nft oh better even better i saw some interesting talks about that i say you guys are talking about logan paul's that thing he not isn't the reason but he could arguably be a catalyst to why that got so popular over the last year nfts yeah he sold five million dollars worth of nfts opening a box of pokemon cards to people that were going to get those cards online and sold them moments of opening them.

Solid move. Yeah, he made a lot of money just doing that. Good for him. I like him. Innovator. I told you I met him once in Hawaii. He's really friendly. You meet someone who doesn't mean anything and no one's paying attention, that's how

you know who they are. He's pretty friendly. Really friendly. Came up, touched my shoulder. I'm like, hey, what's up, man?

I was like, right after his fight with KSI. Like, that's hilarious. Did you shit all over the toilet like that guy

shit on his friend's asshole? You didn't shut the door, man. This is soundproof doors. Jamie's gonna go. Jamie's gotta go. Jamie's gotta go. No,

I, um, cause I couldn't, I couldn't remember how to get out of here, man. Yeah, it's a fucking maze, bro. It's like a saw-level maze. It's designed by those military motherfuckers who protect me. Yeah, that's it. You know, man, being friends with you, that is something I never,

thinking about what would come, I never thought, he's going to have special forces type people guarding him. As long as I can keep being me, that's the balance. The balance is never stop being you. If you can figure out how to balance your life out and never stop being you. And the way I've done that the best. Give me that joint over there. one yeah this one something happened this one got wet so the way I figured out how to do it the best is just keep being me just keep

being me it's not it seems hard to do but it's just because it's hard to do normally and it's hard to do mostly because too many people are paying attention what you're doing they're mad at you if you just figure out a way to just be yourself all the time then figure out a way to just be the best person you could be it can be done but who schedules the guards like do you have someone you like easy bro on here how do you find them you have people around you that are like, I like them because it's like you. Hey, hey, hey, we're on the air. Oh, I'm sorry.

You just said you had. Relax. I said you had guards. I know, but you're getting specific. Okay. There's something magnetic about them. Yeah, they're fucking elite soldiers. But the point is, if you could just be yourself,

and whatever's stopping you from being yourself, figure out how to control that and then be yourself again. But don't give in to that thing and stop being yourself. One of the main problems I've had with this podcast is it keeps growing. People expect me to be someone different now. Yeah. Because it reaches more people. That's right.

You don't understand that's how it reached more people i'm like you don't understand like that's how it reached more people in the first place and that's all i have to offer okay if i can't do that look i can talk to brilliant people and and ask them the best questions i can ask them and try to try to provide you with an insight into how i'm looking at whatever particular weirdness i'm talking about on the podcast but I can't change just because a lot of people are watching and more people are going to complain. That would fuck the whole thing up. I can't do it.

What a terrifying predicament to find yourself in. It's not that bad. So, you know, it's a little, it's like, it's... And what's terrifying, bro? What? Is you don't have options. You don't have things you can do. Yeah.

Trying to find a way to make a living. Those are real terrors. Or you're living in a communist country that controls your actions. Right. Tell you what you can't say. I mean, people criticize me. Like, here's the thing about cancel culture, right? A lot of it is like people looking at what they think of.

Cancel culture reacts differently on different individuals just like a lot of things do and if you're in a situation where you can get fired right like you're working for a major network and if you get criticized you do something terrible and a bunch of other people chime in and then other people can lose their jobs right like different people that are directors or executives or like it's a different thing you just gotta if you're doing something creative you you gotta figure out a way to get to a position where you can be independent right that you have to well you have to like i think there's like a it's almost not their fault if they're mad at you if they're trying to mold you

if their their mortgage depends on it yeah you know it's like it's all set up in a weird way. Like people think it should be cooperative and like, I mean, it kind of should be, but maybe not. Here's the thing. It's like you do your shit, I'll do mine. And when it comes to someone expressing their self about the nature of the world they see, it's really important if you want to resonate with people that you come with no pretense you come with no filter you might be wrong you might sound stupid you might say something and the next day you're driving like why the fuck did i say it that way like you don't even know you're i don't know what the fuck the next word out of my mouth is right now as i'm talking to you right we don't

know yeah and this is what we're doing right right? And while we're doing this thing, we got to acknowledge that it's a weird touch and go situation. Touch and go. I can't believe you said that. That's what my teacher's teacher, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, used to say about meditation. Yes, touch and go, which is like the way we relate with our thoughts is so funny you would say that. So the idea is like when you're meditating, the way I meditate, there's a lot of ways, but the way I meditate is you put your attention on your breath. And then when you find yourself lost in thoughts, you go thinking and return your attention to your breath. So this is basic mindfulness meditation.

But the idea is like you're not suppressing. But the idea is like you're not suppressing. So in other words, like if all of a sudden I'm thinking about like some vivid memory from when I was six that I haven't had. It's not like you're like thinking back to your breath, like you're scared or you're running away or trying to stop it. It's touch and go, meaning like, no, that's there. Be with it. But then thinking and back to your breath, touch and go. So it gets compared to the way butterflies land on flowers. It's like you're there, but then you go.

You're not stuck to it is all. Touch and go. That's a cool thing that you just said, man. All random interactions that you can't predict are chaos. They're all wild and unpredictable. If you can't predict them, you don't know what's going on next. You don't know how it's going to end. You don't know how it's going to end. You don't know how it's going to go down.

You don't know how any conversation is going to take place. And people are all judging post. You're judging post weird neural interactions between two human beings spouting out noises that have meaning attached to them. And you're trying to like wrestle your way through this weird conversation

depending upon a lot of factors. Maybe you got a ticket on the way over there you know maybe you haven't slept right yeah who knows maybe you aren't taking your vitamins who knows what the fuck is wrong with you this is intention this is where intention comes in because it's like some people you will sit down with who are talking to you and they have a real intention maybe it's to sell you a car right to get you into some weird fucking cult to fuck your wife who knows what a dance yeah to what to get you to dance to get you to dance right gonna have a dance off yeah it's like intention man and it's like people and it's hard because it's confusing. People don't want to acknowledge the reality. Sometimes people can have a legitimate intention to help,

but they're a little confused. And so the shit gets mixed up. And so what ends up happening is something that in the moment, if you freeze that moment in time and lay that as the only reality of what this person is, oh my God, you've got a monster, friends. But if you recognize this is a process, you're looking at, like, a process. This is one part of a process that maybe,

I know you don't believe this, but I do, extends through lifetimes. I don't not believe it. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't, yeah, I'm less convinced every day that I have any idea. I don't not believe it, but I don't believe it. You know, it's like maybe.

The problem with like right now, the problem is like people are getting confused regarding their identity. So people are beginning to think their identity is a singular thing and they're not willing to admit that they're a process. identity as a singular thing and they're not willing to admit that they're a process and so it's a it's a it's fundamentally like disastrous to imagine this is the case you know it's like you look at a tree you're seeing the process of a seed that's not a tree that's a river of molecules flowing into time that looks like a fucking tree it used to be a seed that a bird shit out. And it's like, if you look at some of the most majestic trees and imagine that at some point that was in like a crow's asshole.

You know what I mean? It's like, what the fuck? But it's like, but this is a process. So I think the problem right now is like, we got to acknowledge that we're all a process. And the way to like, if as part of that process, someone is manifesting aggressive traits

that are fucking with society, the answer is not to imagine this is who this person is, but to recognize like, oh, this is something you're going through right now. This is a display right now. And also recognize you could be that person if you live their life yes exactly that's the problem the problem is determinism versus free will and and

and and i don't think either one of them are absolute right look i mean i like the whole determinism free will thing i i've heard described as absolute and relative reality it's easier to acknowledge that both simultaneously exist and try to imagine one over the other. It's like, on one level, we're all who knows what, if you zoom for far enough out in the universe, we're clearly a whole on or whatever. But on another level, there's one. Oh, yeah, the totality of a thing like the I think that's called a whole on Really? Yeah, HLON

could be wrong. Jamie, please look it up. So I don't's called a holon. Really? Yeah, H-O-L-O-N. Could be wrong. Jamie, please look it up so I don't get a million tweets correcting me about my mis-fucking communication of a word. That's a dope word. I've never heard that word. Holon. Could be wrong about that, though. Yeah, could be wrong.

God, I hope I'm not wrong. Super similar to when Hawaiians get mad at white people. It's a city in Israel, so it's not that. No. Philosophy, correct? Yeah. So it says it's something that is israel so it's not that what a philosophy correct so it says it's something that is simultaneously a hole in and of itself yes as well as part of a larger hole on a hole on so at some point we're a hole on another point that's a dope word there's a joe and there's a duncan and these two things are happening simultaneously so they both can happen

simultaneously so this is called relative reality and absolute reality. And we have to accept that both exist. Well, not just both exist, dude. But when you talk, Neil deGrasse Tyson told me that he thinks that there are infinite universes. And there's infinite Duncans doing infinite things. Not he thinks. He didn't even say he thinks. I'm phrasing it wrong.

M-theory. He was explaining to me this theory of infinity. Yeah. That not only is there a you, but there's a you who's done everything you've done. Yeah. And then there's a you who's slightly deviated from that path. Yeah. Infinite numbers of times.

Yeah. And there's another that's slightly deviated from that. It's impossible to imagine the numbers that are involved. Dude, it's not impossible to imagine. Go to the airport and look around that's all you that's all different versions of you in different lives doing different things it's all you you don't need to go any further than your local target and take a look around at the multiverse it's true that's what that's what pains us so about homeless people yeah we realize that could be us abs if you're honest with you if you're honest with yourself if you if you were that kid

who became that you know a abused person in a shelter at 14 who became that kid on the street at 16 who is now in a tent by the lake why why because he's a loser is that really what it is like so helping people by like telling them that they can camp out that's not enough that's like at least you're not but the problem is like they want to be closer to all the shit that's happening but you can't just like take over ground because other people say no where you're camping i've decided since it's a sidewalk you're using i'm gonna build a fort and they just build a fort on that sidewalk you can't put shit uh if you can't have a tent you can't have a house if you can't have a house you can't have a tent okay no you can't just put tents everywhere but it doesn't mean that you don't understand that these

people that got here somehow or another they got fucked over but i think you if you really fucked them over right you want to understand how beautiful humans are right now, because you realize like in the human spirit is a thing that is like, all right, I guess I'll let you put your tent there because I want, I don't, I don't want to like impinge on your life. You want, I want them to feel better. Yes. But it's okay, man.

Put your tent down. Yes. You want I want them to feel better. Yes, but there's a man put your tent down. Yes. Yeah, you look at that in like like subtract everything other than that feeling in a person which is like I know you're me and I know you're me in a different timeline And so I'm gonna I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna trust the process and let you do this thing and then you get this collision between that and the other versions of you who are on the same timeline or on a different timeline that are like, yeah, but that's where my business is. And so now you have these two colliding possibilities and we don't know how to deal with it yet. We don't know what to do.

like so brutal because like on one side you have like the most incredible the stuff that like the the heart of christ the deepest compassion which is like you are me when you know jesus says love your neighbor as yourself he doesn't mean pretend that you were in your neighbor's shoes he literally means those are you your neighbor is you you should love your neighbor because they are you love your neighbor as yourself that's you so now if suddenly we're dealing with this reality from a from like what are we gonna do joe because now it's like yeah great you have this incredible podcast and you have like achieved this this like amazing apex in this little period of human culture that we're in but it's like what what about all the non-yous, especially the ones who are camping out?

You know what I mean? Now what are we going to do? If you look at things like that, which is actually, this guy Bob Thurman, Uma Thurman's dad, he's an incredible Buddhist scholar, was explaining this to me. Really? Uma Thurman's dad is a Buddhist scholar?

One of the Dalai Lama's best friends. Oh my God, he runs to Bad House. I met him. He is such the coolest person you've ever met. What did he say? So he said the idea is like when in compassion or in thinking of other people, and God, I'm sorry, Bob Thurman, if I'm misquoting you or something. This is how I remember it.

It's not like I'm looking at you and thinking, God, what if I was in in that person's shoes it's like you're looking at them and thinking that's me i'm looking at me that's me i am them this is me and so in this mindset this is where you start making decisions and so it's radical and wild because it's not like you do the thing where you're like god it'd be rough to be in that person's situation as me you're thinking i'm looking at me right now and in different circumstances exactly yeah and so that's how real compassion starts appearing that's real compassion because now you're like oh fuck that's me yeah i must help i'm gonna help and that that's all that ends up happening you, we look at these people who we call saints and we're like, oh, God, they're saints.

But really what happened is they clicked into that reality and couldn't click back out. Right. And all that was left was like, I'm just going to help. All that's left to do is to help. I'm just going to help. It's all me. You know? Well, that's what we've got to get across.

Right? That everybody is you living another life. That's what we got to get across, right? That everybody is you living another life. And if we can just come to grips with that and have some sort of, but here's the thing. You can disagree with someone if it's you living another life. But if you really felt like it was you living another life and you're talking to them, you would have more compassion than if they were some random asshole. Yeah. You would have more compassion.

And maybe you'd be able to calm them down. Because we all know that every single escalation that people have with each other is usually based on two people. It's like maybe one person takes it too far, one person gets loud, or one person gets physical. But I think in many situations, and I'm not blaming the victim, but I'm saying in many situations, a lot of interactions between people is dependent upon two humans. And how this human approaches this human changes how they are and how they react.

There's a little dance they do. And some people are not tolerating any bullshit and they just want to hit you in the face right away. And it's not your fault if you run into one of those people. But they're reacting to probably a lifetime of being punched in the face. That's why they just want to start swinging on you. Yeah. Right? Yes.

If you were them, but it's hard for us. We're always looking at other human beings like, this guy's going to hurt me, or he to steal or she's going to take and this person's going to do something bad to me. Right. But if we could get across the idea that we're all the same thing the life goes through different personalities like like a river goes through creeks Right like the ocean filters into a river and it goes through creeks Yeah, that's what the life does does and the life does this with with all different colors and races and sexual orientations and proclivities and hobbies and intellect levels and it just goes

through all those things and the key is recognizing that at the core of who you are is the same thing as the core of everybody else it's just that thing is powering different meat vehicles with different personalities and and different loyalties to states yeah and different you know different fucking hobbies and things that they like to do and different shields they put up to protect themselves yeah man this is it and and you know and a lot of people like so what do you do you just let someone you vote democrat only you start doing ketamine you get on the roof you try to you put a magnet on your dick and hope you get struck by lightning.

I'm going to vote for the second of those three possibilities. But, you know, I think like what you just described, by the way, I mean, it's such a beautiful reality and it's hard for people to understand that a lot of people feel very defensive when they hear a thing like that. So I think like – Why do they feel defensive, you think? Well, because like the problem is that there's a narrative happening right now and the narrative generally involves some form of overcoming another person.

So it's like what's that thing I think Voltaire said? Not that I should succeed, but that my friends should fail. Right. You know what I mean? It's built into the ethic. Yes. And so a lot of people who've invested their entire lives in a perceived being better than this person or that person,

they've put a lot of energy into a really horrific mode of existence that isn't really making them happy. But I think that's one of the big secrets is, like, people will, like, have great achievements. And then they'll find themselves in this, like, weird enclave of other people who have all these great achievements. And at the end of the day, God, I said at the end of the day that god i said at the end of the day i hate that saying but like they literally at the end of the day they feel so sad and empty and lonely and

broken and numb but they don't want to say it out loud do you know what it's like what if if you don't exactly know where the road is and you're in the desert yeah and like there's like some faint roads to the left maybe some brush in the way and faint roads to the right but one road eventually has asphalt yeah you might take the wrong road yeah you might go left you might be 45 degrees away from the real road and you're like heading towards the mountain and you realize you fucked up yeah and if you turn around, it's all dusty. You got to wait till the dust settles. You're not exactly sure which way you turn, left or right or right or left.

You got to kind of remember it backwards. You're just trying to bring yourself back to the spot because you fucked up. You took the wrong road. You don't want to admit it. You don't want to admit it because you're a proud person. Because your dad told you, suck it up, Duncan. You don't ever admit you took a wrong turn. Ever.

Ever. I don't give a fuck if that lady has that goddamn map. Put the fucking map away, woman. I'm flying by my gonads. We're driving into this fucking mountain. Yes. And you do. I'm using my north compass. Okay, so I have many Buddhist teachers I love.

One of them is called Sharon Salzberg. I repeat this saying she has to myself every other day, which is the healing is in the return. Meaning that if you fucked up for 50 years straight and you've been making the wrong decision every day for 50 years and you have your ego has become so invested in this pattern that you're like stuck, what she's saying is all those 50 years of going off track, the moment that you admit it and you're like, oh fuck, that was wrong, that was not the way I wanna be, and go back to where you were at, ugh.

It's the most glorious reunion with a you that you forgot even existed the moment you which is like by the way i just i let me ask you this yeah how do you extend that to like people that have done horrific things like how do you extend that to genocide to hitler how yeah how do you yeah could you imagine a world where hitler's forgiven whoa right i just had this brilliant guy neil don't answer this this is gonna get you in real Yeah. To Hitler. Yeah. Could you imagine a world where Hitler's forgiven? Whoa. Right? I just had this brilliant guy, Neil Allen. Don't answer this. This is going to get you in real trouble.

No. Either way. No, I just had this brilliant guy, Neil Allen. I'm going to pee again. I'm so embarrassed. Let me finish this thought. Neil Allen, on my podcast, very, very, very smart, he gave this exact example with Hitler. Oh.

I'm a hack. So you see, you look at Hitler. No, you don't listen to my podcast. You're right. But it's so you see i'm a hack you look at hitler no you don't listen to my podcast it's a hack moment my point is you look at hitler you look at hitler and you realize that like the idea is like the time travel thing you go back in time you're in front of hitler you look at hitler and you recognize with hitler this is me if i'd gotten in the worst kind of fucking life i could have have been this. And then, knowing that's you, you shoot him in the fucking face. Because that's the right thing to do. If you're on an airplane, and someone's like, I'm getting into the cockpit to fly us to the hollow earth.

You can look at that. You know what I mean? You can look at it. Did you see the new King Kong? Are you kidding? I love hollow earth shit. And, of course, I at the new King Kong. Are you kidding? I love Hollow Earth shit. And of course I saw the new King Kong. My point is, like, you look at that person and you look at them and you're like, that could be me if I'd eaten more edibles before this plane took off.

But that doesn't mean you're like, so go in the cockpit. Let's go to the Hollow Earth. You stop them. Right. You know what I mean? So the idea that so we can have compassion and realism and like like justice simultaneously the two things don't have to be completely separate things that's all i'm sorry i know you have no you're 100 right that's a really good point it's very good but it just like

i think all this is dependent like the reason why these conflicts exist like what you're just talking about is dependent upon whether or not people have embraced the idea of that we're all the same thing if we embrace the idea that we're all the same thing just if we could just figure out a way to use that and just put it in the back your head yeah write it down and stick it in your wallet yeah just write that write that we are all the same thing we are all living different lives all the same thing. We are all living different lives. We're the same thing, living different lives. If you could meet a person on the street and think about them, and don't get mugged doing this, then blame me.

Joe Rogan said, pretend that that dude's the same as you, and he fucking kicked me in the dick and stole my watch. I'm sorry, okay? Don't listen to me. I don't want to give advice. Maybe I should stop framing things in the way of advice. Maybe that's my problem. Yes.

Duncan, when are the UFOs landing? Come on, man. If you knew, would you tell me? Yeah. Would you really? Would you do it over the phone would you tell me or would you tell me to like put my phone in a bucket and walk into a lead room you're being so funny you know what do i know that if i knew like if i some avenue i got actual information about the ufos right You know that within like as soon as I could get a place away from the people that told me that I'd be calling you.

You'd get real nervous, man. You'd think I'm working with the feds. I don't care. You'd give me the look. Dude, if you're working for the... I don't care. I don't care. Like to me, that's what's great about friendship

is it transcends all that shit. If you... I know. I would tell you first. I would tell you first. You know I'd tell you first. I would tell you right away. I'd call you right away. Dude, you're not going to fucking i would tell you first i would you know i'd tell you first i would tell you right i'd call you right away dude you're not gonna fucking believe what i know for sure get a fake phone to call you dude i'd be calling you from a fucking 7-eleven phone

you don't know anything about the ufo dude i want to believe so bad i don't trust myself oh my god i don't trust myself duncan dude i just had my friend jason lube on the show and like i got because like i'm trying to get him to talk about aliens and like he's like so smart and he's like getting into like it's probably a distraction but every once in a while he's saying to me do you want to believe duncan i'm like yes i want to believe i do want to believe but know what? Here's the thing with the alien shit. I got annoyed. Someone on Twitter sent me a message because like, I guess some leak came out and they're like, it's not aliens. And someone sent me a. Now, I shouldn't say poorly titled, but they just did it because that was like the best way of getting people to click on it. Yeah, whatever. If you just say something's not aliens, people will click on it.

What is it? But here's the thing. I don't care who the fuck is making that thing. Making that thing. Right. I care that it exists. Exactly. That's all that matters. Thank you. So that's it care that it exists. Exactly. That's all that matters.

Thank you. So that's it. That's real. Well, here's what's real. Something went 80,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second. Yes! This is all tracked by multiple sources,

including the best weapon system the fucking Navy has to offer. And you've got commanders like David Fravor who is like literally a Top-notch fighter jet pilot who has a deep understanding of these weapon systems And they're locking in on this thing that looks like a tic-tac and it zooms away What they estimate be thousands of miles an hour. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, you don't think that's bananas Who I don't care. What is fuck are you talking about? You don't think that's bananas? Who? I don't care. What is the urge to dismiss?

That? Yeah. When you get a guy like David Fravor who's like, he's never told another story like that since. He says the guys that he was working with had seen multiple things just like that for a couple of weeks. It wasn't a unique thing.

It was just like, he went face to face with it. That's what they were saying. What the fuck? Bro, you got to listen to him on the Lex Friedman podcast. Okay. Lex does a fucking amazing job because they go deep into all sorts of aviation talk. So all this talk about how to fly these things and the weapon systems. And Lex, he does AI, right?

He used to do it for MIT and he runs, he has the Lex Friedman podcast. He's brilliant. I've heard of him, I don't know much about him. I gotta put you guys together, he's brilliant. But the point is they're talking and so he understands this kind of crazy, super technical lingo and he indulges David Fravor

in this explanation of this the weapon systems that they use and the visual systems and all the different things they can shuttle back and forth between different sources it's wild shit dude like so people that don't understand that and never heard that guy talk about those things they don't understand how specifically they know this thing moved off at thousands of miles an hour instantaneously with no visible means of propulsion. I got you.

So a lot of people, they see these fucking videos that have been verified by the Pentagon and they dismiss them. And they dismiss them because they're like, look at it. It's grimy. You could have done a better video than that. And they don't understand the technology behind what picked that up at all like the fact that we picked that up at all is insane pitch black

at night you know miles away right that's less than HD it's not real look at that some of it is night vision like those little pyramid things that are flying over those things it was in night vision some of them they're in infrared and there's I can send you this one thing jamie because there's this one guy who does a really

good job of this there's a one guy that jeremy corbell sent me and uh this guy does a really good job of uh explaining why there's no way that these things whatever the fuck they are could be like a goose like people have called a goose. Like people have called it. A goose. Yeah, like people have said, like, maybe it's a goose. And this guy who is a fighter pilot. A goose? What, like goose geese are going out to aircraft carriers and harassing them?

Listen, man, people love to believe, whether they believe this way or that way. They don't necessarily want to believe in the truth. A lot of times they do. And a lot of times maybe they're like 80% right. Yeah. But they're clinging to this idea that the left is the way. And maybe sometimes you got to go right. And maybe sometimes you got to recognize like, yeah, you're right. A lot of this stuff is nonsense. A lot of this stuff is hoaxers. a lot of this stuff is nonsense a lot of this stuff is hoaxers a lot of this stuff

is delusional people a lot of this stuff is people seeing Venus and not understanding what they're looking at but a lot of this stuff doesn't make any fucking sense when they have multiple sources radar they're tracking these things on weapon systems on two different jets like this is

banana stuff dude this is banana stuff, dude. This is something with no visible means of propulsion. You have a fucking Air Force pilot who never in a million years wanted to be on camera, who just likes flying those crazy... Or do we? Maybe it's an Android, Joe. You are useful idiots.

It could be an Android. Maybe he's not even a real person. Well, it could be an Android. Like, this is the guy. This is the guy. And he's basically explaining how sophisticated and complicated these systems are. And one of the things he used, if it was not on this video, it was on another. He said catching one of those things on one of these weapon systems just randomly without any other input,

whether it's radar or any communications from something else, would be like finding a person through a straw. Wow. Like trying to spot something through a straw. You're just looking at the random sky. They have to lock onto these things. I have to pee again. Me too.

So what do we do there? Yeah. It's kind of late. It's 7.23 already. We've already done three hours, right? That's so weird, man. Jesus Christ. We started at 3.20.

Thank you. 4.20. This is perfect because we don't extend our welcome, overextend our welcome. Yeah. Catch a buzz. Get some food. Duncan, you're the best. You're the best.

And we'll start our once a week show in September. Yeah. You know what? September 11 Yeah. You know what? September 11th. You know what? I was already coming here anyway because I have to work on some stand up. That's what I'm saying. So that's what we do.

Yes. Anytime. We'll do it like a month. Anytime you want to come down here, Duncan. Let's do it. Like, let's do it like a month of regular podcast until people get so sick of it. Yeah. Just do it once a month.

Come back once a month. Yeah. No, let's do it. Once every two months. I'm going to come for a month. No, I'm going to come for a month come back once a month yeah once no let's do once every two months i'm gonna come for a month no i'm gonna come for a month straight whoa and then let's do once a week and then like are you gonna airbnb if you do don't use tim dylan as a reference they don't like him are you joking he fucks up airbnbs no no no no he talks shit about this one couple this uh lesbian couple that owns a in my my opinion, fucking dope house.

And they kicked him off Airbnb. Dude, I'm sorry, but if you get kicked off Airbnb, that's crazy. Tim Dillon is a savage. That's brutal, though. Tim Dillon is a savage. But getting kicked off Airbnb is rough. That's rough.

He'll find a way. He can do that other one, Vermal or whatever it's called. Whatever he does, listen. There's a new Airbnb, it's called Vermal. He only left dishes in the sink. That wasn't the problem. The problem was the shit talking.

We got to stop Airbnb. Well, they have cameras everywhere. Internet shares, horror stories of rising fees, filthy homes, and scary hosts. And can I stop here? Also, great experiences that nobody fucking writes in about. Yeah, but if you're fucking an Airbnb, someone's watching. If you're fucking an Airbnb, there's an 80% chance someone's watching that.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for everything. Duncan Trussell, Jamie Vernon, and Joe Rogan, signing out. Hare Krishna! Bye! Thank you.