The Joe Rogan Experience - #167 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: December 20, 2011

Joe sits down with Aubrey Marcus.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day i'll never get tired of hearing that that was the coolest moment of my life as a professional broadcaster what's that ufo sound brian what are you trying to do to us i don't know how to stop that thing what is it it'll go away after a while. It was some special effects that I was doing early on. It's the outro. Brian, it's not going away. Now it's just in your head.

No, come on, Brian. You got to shut that off. Do you really not know how to shut that off? It's gone now. This is like last until a slow beat. Now it's going to drive me crazy

because I'm going to hear a beat every like 30 seconds. I'm going to hear it in the background. A little constant distraction. That's not a good sound effect. Let's not use that one again. How about that?

Freaking everybody out, man. There's a lot of people that listen to this podcast, man, and they're on some shit. They're hearted. Yeah, man. You can't freak them out with fucking alien noises. Did you see that spaceship? It was on, I believe it was Engadget

or Gizmodo, one of those gadget websites where they were talking about, there's all these photos of this crazy spacecraft that the government was driving on the back of a truck. It was through Kansas. Who knows what the fuck it was? It could have been a weather balloon.

They're all weather balloons, right? They know that we're using drones now because a guy was arrested. It was a cattle balloon. Yeah, they're all weather balloons, right? Well, they know that we're using drones now because a guy was arrested. It was a cattle dispute. And I mean, the only way this even makes sense is that someone must have insane money and hate this guy because the story doesn't make any sense.

But they used a drone to determine that there was cows in this guy's property that weren't his and that he did not alert the other the other you know ranch that their cattle had wandered onto his and they used a drone to determine this and i'm like jesus christ like how does this other guy get that drone find out who that guy is and follow him that guy who can call someone and say hey yeah i'm having a cow problem my asshole neighbor can i borrow one of those fucking drones can i borrow one of those

predator things and search around this asshole's property holy shit man is that like a crazy violation and the only thing they could catch on him was that some cows had wandered over to his property what the fuck man how many cows worth of money does it cost to hire a drone yeah sounds like an episode of american dad like you know what i mean like this guy's just abusing his power like i'll just take my drone over there that's exactly what it sounds like it sounds like south park or something yeah it's fucking completely ridiculous yeah they caught the guy with um i should look up the uh the actual full story uh drone use cattle case is that all right did you know seth mcfarlane's up

for a grammy he's against like barbara streisand right now because he has a music cd now what yeah like he's a i don't know it's like he's like a singer cattle rustling family maybe my my take on is wrong because they're addressing them as a cattle rustling family so they're saying that these people were stealing cattle, I guess. Armed with a search warrant, the Nelson County Sheriff, Keith Jenke, went looking for six missing cows. Wow, really? That's it?

Six cows? You use a fucking drone to find six cows? Wow, this is creepy. That's American Dad. There's some old laws against horse stealing and cattle thievery. They're American Dad. There's some old laws against horse stealing and cattle thieving that are super harsh. This is

the first instances of this. Is this something that the Patriot Act allows for? It must be. Having drones? I'm not kidding. How else are we going to get fucked? We're going to have drones following us?

Even worse, the NDAA that just passed, the National Defense Authorization Act, that's really scary because it allows them to treat the United States as a battlefield. And that means they can stop things with troops. They're going to use our military against American citizens. It's like a war against the people, like a civil war. It's really completely insane and the indefinite detention the fact you don't have to have a warrant they if they think you're a threat they can just detain you indefinitely you know and you see john mccain out there like

supporting that you're like wow man you don't see where this is gonna go you you really think that that should be allowed you start to put the pieces of the puzzle together obama and you know authorizing 20 000 extra troops here for the domestic front i think you sent a tweet out about that so scary to put the pieces together it looks like they know some shit's going to go down and they're preparing for the instance in which it does which is which is scary it looks like the the only way this would be getting passed the only way this would be accepted by so many people and not enrage others is that they know there's going to be a massive civil unrest.

They know there's going to be something nutty. Yeah, you get that. You get that feeling for sure. Although that's terrifying. It is terrifying. But as I thought about it, too, I mean, back in the days where you crushed rebellions, you know, there's plenty of tyrannies that have crushed rebellions throughout history. There was always certain factors present.

There was a lack of information able to circulate. They would close down those things. The government's hinting at different ways of trying to do that, but I don't think they'll ever be successful. The Internet's too prevalent. It's too powerful. As you've said, they'll build ways around it. They'll find ways to communicate. And then also, the people they were suppressing were generally not as well-armed

as the people who are you know trying to suppress them so they had an overwhelming you know force majeure of technological superiority in their arms but this is a well-armed nation and i just can't imagine that even our troops the some that are brainwashed or not would ever really want to take out their real guns against our citizens but the citizens when pushed hard enough you know we're all we're all armed i mean at a certain point where you know they're abusing our people grandly and it could get really bad and i just can't imagine that it could get to that level i can't imagine that it can either but it really seems like they're preparing for it and when you see how things have slid in certain parts of this country, how far things have gone.

Like, have you ever seen any of the documentaries on Detroit? They show you how bad it is there now. 47% illiteracy rate. I mean, the functional literacy rate. 47%. That's half the people can't read. That's incredible. And these houses that are up for sale for like $1,000, $500,

just abandoned building after abandoned building. It's like, wow. We know in our lifetime that this has all changed. We know. We know it's possible for things to go horribly wrong, completely fall apart. Yeah, I agree. I just think that final step that they're trying to prepare for

is a step that's ultimately destined for failure. They won't be able to pull that trigger. It's kind of like in the nuclear age, there's a certain level of warfare that you just can't do you know like you can't get mass a group of people and attack another country that has a nuclear armament because they'll just use the nuke like you can't push the americans too hard because we're all fucking armed you know and we're all going to be able to communicate with each other like there's a certain boundary point where it's destined to fail. So I think they have a weird strategy. It's like they're preparing for something, but the end game can't work. Like they can't push that final

button where they put live rounds in the troops and start shooting us. Like we just will not fucking allow that under any circumstance. And that's what the founders in creating the second amendment, I believe they had in mind was not to protect against our enemies, but also against our own government, misusing the power of the army. It's funny how few people are willing to engage that idea, you know, willing to even throw it out there that it's possible that there could be some sort of a massive civil war in this country. And that literally we might have troops, American troops, fighting against Americans. Nobody wants to think that. Nobody wants to think that that's possible. That's why when they talk about the Second Amendment

allowing for an armed militia, right? Isn't that part of the... Well-regulated militia. Yeah. And people go, what, you're going to rise against the government? Just 10 years ago, that sounded like nonsense. That sounded like the stupidest thing in the world. Like why the fuck would you do that? This is the greatest country on earth.

But within the 10 years since 9-11, the deterioration of what this country stood for to me and to I think a lot of us it's just, it's been shit on. It's been used. It's just like

one of the reasons why everybody was so horrified after 9-11 it's like you know people who don't pay that much attention to you know foreign politics they don't know exactly what all the complaints are and what what countries were occupying what sacred land where you know we have fucking troops marching on every day if they don't understand like what what the the actual reason for someone being pissed off at us for their view of the the united states most likely is like really pretty rosy like we're the like the peacekeepers of the world and yeah vietnam was a little shady but we did fuck up hitler okay and japan was ready to take over we took care of that nonsense too Russia, we bankrupt them bitches

we're good, we got this but you dig deeper and you pay more attention to it and you go, look at what could happen in 10 years look how it can just slide away from you in 10 years things like the Patriot Act things like tapping into people's fucking cell phones

on a regular basis with no warrants the fact that the Patriot Act was only used a handful of times for actual terrorist attacks, but was used hundreds and thousands of times for drugs. Hundreds and thousands of times. I forget the real number, but it was just a ridiculous, disproportionate number where the majority of the times they used the Patriot Act was for drugs. That's what people, yeah, I mean, if you allow that power, it's going to be used in whatever

means possible. That's why, you know, preventing these things like that act that just passed is so vital because you give a law, you know, you let a law pass with one intention. Well, it doesn't really matter what the intentions are. Even the people trying to pass them may have those intentions. But ultimately, with that power enabled, the corruption is inevitable. And it happens extremely fast. And that's even a benevolent kind of view. The other view is, yeah, we'll get it passed under these auspices. And then we'll really use it to do whatever their means are.

The setup that they have now where they're allowed to come up with laws. And then these few handful of motherfuckers that have gotten to the cool kids party they get to vote on everything that it goes through the senate and it goes through congress and they agree to it and then if the president doesn't veto it that's it it went through this you know x amount of people 300 million people are changed now and affected by this corrupt stupid fucking shitbag unconstitutional idea that these fuckheads passed and it's just somehow or another they're allowed to do that that's a ridiculous form of government yeah i mean that's ridiculous i don't care i mean you know representative or not that's

stupid that's a terrible way for really important shit to get introduced into our culture yeah you know and the fact that that is the way the system is set up it's like ultimately the whole thing needs to be like radically overhauled it's not like a little minor tweak it needs to be radically overhauled because there's so much that gets done and so much that sucks out there that's just be just we just follow it because it's written somewhere and because everybody agreed to it at one point in time. But as we've gotten older and you get a much better grasp on how fucked up the world really is and how ridiculous some of the laws that are in place

and what the actual origin of those laws are and the fact that they're actually based in real clear, measurable corruption. And it should be like a fuckload of people should be in jail is what it should be. But instead, it's just kind of but instead it just kind of like it is the law it's the way it is it's on the paper i think there's you know there's two ways to approach it and i think one of the interesting things that we're going to do is you know there's two problems one is what's wrong with you know currently the society that we're in and how to bridge that gap but i think as important as

anything is just to just start fresh take away away all that momentum, all of those, you know, different people trained in the different ways, what you expect, and just kind of start from scratch and say, if you could start from scratch, you know, how could you set this up knowing what we know now and knowing, you know, the different pathways that history have already paved? How do you prevent these disasters? How do you prevent this corruption? How do you create a model that will create momentum going the other way? And then the question just becomes, how do you bridge these two situations? Is it possible? Is it possible to go from our current situation to the ideal situation? If so, how? And then kind of fill that in. The real issue is financial. What do you do with all the money? Do you divvy it up? What do you do?

And there's a lot of people out there that are at zero right now that would love that. They would love, like, everybody gets a fair shake, man. Everybody gets a fair piece, which is not supposed to be how it is. Everybody has the opportunity to go out and make money by whatever means you want to do it. If your means are unsuccessful, it doesn't mean the system sucks. It means that for whatever reason, whether you're in a saturated environment or whether the job that you want is highly touted and it's one that everybody wants to get and there's a lot of competition, is that what it is? What is the reason ultimately you're not able to do what you're doing? Because there's got to be a reason for it.

Yes, the situation we're currently in economically sucks but i think a lot of these dudes are just willing to lay down a lot of these dudes are willing to go it's rigged the thing is rigged man i can't they're not even willing to try to figure out some way through it we all know that at the beginning of you know i mean i'm sure you must have felt this at points in your life and i certainly felt it as a struggling comedian there's point points where you know you feel like you're not going to make it you know you feel like this is a ridiculous pursuit i'm gonna i'm a fucking failure you know this is and if if i if i was doing that and then i thought if i had these like self-defeating thoughts and then i thought that the system was rigged like if i was you know going to college to get some sort of a

job in business then i realized the system is rigged and now if I was going to college to get some sort of a job in business, then I realized the system is rigged. And now I'm in that self-defeating stage and then I'm marching around. That might not necessarily be the best move for you. Yeah, no, that's going to cause an end to the situation prematurely. I think people recognize that

about any big giant movement is that they're not entirely pure. There's a lot of people that are in this Occupy movement that make a lot of fucking sense. There's a lot of people that are saying a lot of really important shit, and then there's a lot of crazy assholes. And there's a lot of people that pee themselves.

Exactly. I read an interesting piece on that, and there's a Dutch economist, I think it's a guy, Heber Maas, and his point was that they're leading this almost anarchist movement without any set defined principles as a form of kind of awareness for self-correction by the majority basically saying that there's nothing that they can say no bill no law no rule that will be

respected enough to actually come out and say do this because the whole system is so corrupt and you know nepotistic and circular that somehow that somehow they would get that concession and then it would be over. But by creating this kind of anarchist state where they're just in certain areas and they're just there, they're causing people like us to be more aware, to heighten that sense of self-awareness and self-critical side of things and may actually affect the majority to change in a much broader level than if they actually had demands and actually started to do it. So yeah, I mean, you can criticize the people. I mean, I think I've said it before, playing hacky sack out on the Austin City Hall is not exactly going to inspire the most amount of people, but it is going to cause

people to talk about it and cause room for self-reflection. And I think that kind of anarchist protest almost, which what it is, is effective in that way. Yeah, I think it definitely gets an energy out there. And that energy is most certainly interpreted with no question whatsoever. Everybody's mad. This is not good. We're not happy.

And we're so unhappy that we're going to camp out in tents. It's really kind of ridiculous. Then it has to be, do we unite with these people and try to bring them all back, or is it us against them? When it becomes us against them, and then they start preparing for us against them with this NDAA passage, that's what it sounds like to me. It sounds like they're preparing for some sort of almost military-style civil unrest in this country. Well, the pain is only just minor at this point, really. It's nothing.

Look what's going on in Egypt, man. Did you see some of these beatings in Egypt? They're beating the fuck out of these protesters, man. I mean, beat them to death. It's horrendous, man. Horrendous shit. It's really, really hard to watch. These people are running down the street.

There are hundreds of them. And they encounter like one or two protesters and just club the fuck out of them. While they're unconscious, they're jumping on them and booting them in the head and cracking them full blast in the head with batons while they're unconscious. This guy jumped on this woman. One guy was dragging her. This guy jumped and stomped on her chest. She was a woman. She had a bra on.

It was like a blue bra. She was skinny. And he just jumped up and stomped down on her chest. It is inhumane. I mean, it's horrific to watch. And, you know, that country right now is fucked. Yeah, it's in bad. It's the new boss, same as the old boss you know all

of a sudden this guy who had been running shit as a dictator for 20 plus years is gone and who the fuck runs things no i do no i do and then there's a jockeying and there's just crazy lawlessness now it's horrific to watch man when you see, when you see these protesters getting beaten like that, man, the savagery involved, it's just like, man, you have no concern for their health or well-being. And people were running, shooting, just running and shooting guns, running forward

towards these people, towards the protesters and just shooting guns. I mean, they are not taking any bullshit. It's on YouTube, man. It's on YouTube. Because it's not graphic. You can't see any bluttering. It's like kind of shitty quality. What's up with shitty quality nowadays?

I mean, come on. Yeah. Yeah, right? Jesus. They have some old-ass fucking Motorola cell phone. Yeah, I mean, that's what it was filmed on. I don't know what it was filmed on. Now you know where you drop those cell phones off in the boxes.

It's like, donate your cell phones. That goes to Egypt. It goes to anywhere. The world is fucked up. Yeah, I think the economic pain that we're kind of feeling, it's bad. I mean, definitely a lot of people are hurting. But it's not to Great Depression levels right now. It's not even to levels that we've already seen happen before here in America.

I think everybody recognizes that we are right now on a very unshaky foundation. And when it gets worse, when it gets worse, then, you know, the Occupy movement, I mean, what's going to cause, you know, the people who are on the fringe to just come out in numbers? I think there'll be a kind of a tipping point effect where people are going to be like, fuck this, you know, fuck the corruption in the government. We need a new system. You know, we need to stop spending money to bail out the banks.

How would you ever convince the government to revamp the system and take away their power? They would never do that. It takes an uprising like that. It takes the people to cause the movement. When has the government ever done shit without the people moving first? Women's suffrage, for example. If women weren't marching around doing that thing they may still not be able to vote i mean it takes the people rising up in order to change the government's

the only fucking way because power is going to breed power is they're going to just keep this system status quo i mean maybe one or two examples where lincoln abolished slavery you know on his own kind of before there was massive upscale. But that was during a time of war. It had certain advantages, et cetera. There was a variety of different things involved in that. But it's always the people who demand something first that cause the government to change. And I think right now people are talking in their talking voice. I think pretty soon they're going to have to start yelling.

And I think that's ultimately what's going to happen to change. But before they start yelling, unfortunately, it has to hurt worse. And I think that's probably where we're heading, you know, is to more economic change. Who would have ever thought this was going to be going down? Remember when you were younger, when Clinton was president? It looked like the world was just a rosy, fucking beautiful place to be. I miss that guy. Yeah, man. He was just a comfortable guy

what an amazing in a comfortable time in 20 years 20 years the world has just changed beyond recognition almost but i think it's part of the natural cycle of things i mean things don't go in a steady you know curve they have to go in these cycles these you know gets way too far out of line then it maybe goes back too far the other way i mean probably there'll be a point where you know the sentiments get too roused in the other direction like wait wait wait a minute you know we got to have banks we got to have we need to keep civilization together all right we need credit cards i don't want to be carrying gold bullion everywhere let's pull this shit together god damn it yeah it's just

you know what we got to get rid we've got to get rid of? You've got to get rid of that stock market. I watched that fucking thing on TV. I sound like a grandpa. I watched that stock market. We've got to get rid of that. But I watched it on TV. I was watching some financial report, and there was a ticker tape going on

because it's like an alien program to me. The ticker tape's going on beneath it. And then this guy starts talking about a lack of confidence in this company and a confidence that there's a lot of confidence behind this company. And I'm watching these numbers spin. I'm like, this is insanity. These guys are like, there's like a virus. A virus of numbers. This horrible hurricane-like virus of numbers.

And then there's a few people in there that sort of know how to decipher it they're pulling numbers out and seeing which way the waves are blowing i'm like what a wacky fucking system yeah based on confidence what based on how people feel about companies and shit and whether or not a new product just came out oh we're gonna buy buy apple buy buy and you can actually affect that somehow. Like, what? What are we basing any of our time on this wonky shit for? This is a ridiculous setup.

The speculatory frenzy around stocks and these things is pretty outrageous. Really, it takes away from what originally the idea is, which is to own a share and interest in a company that you thought was going to make money and do things as a positive form of investment. You know, ultimately, when did it get completely wacky? Was it the Reagan administration? When were they allowed to do like, when were they allowed to have like derivatives and stuff like that? Yeah, I think probably in the 80s.

In the 80s? It got the wackiest because the markets were still, markets were still pretty new in the 70s and things. But the stock market has had its nonsenses since the 1920s. I mean, you can read the father's reminiscence of the stock operator and see some of the same madness. But there were safeguards that were put in place after the big crash of whatever it was, the 20s, the Great Depression. There were safeguards that were put in place that were eventually dropped, right? Weren't there? Yeah.

I mean, depending how much the market can drop in a certain day, basically limits. So it can go limit down. There's a lot of those things in different commodity markets as well. There'll be a limit to how far the price can move in one day. But the thing is, that's just per day. They don't limit it permanently because that would cause massive inefficiency. So it just kind of curbs that initial panic, like, we got to sell everything sell sell sell and then it drops way below where it needs to and then the margin calls kick in and then people you know lose all their

money they're jumping out of buildings it's a mess at that point so they try to curb that it seems so ridiculous this buy buy buy sell sell sell it seems so ridiculous that a company could actually like go by that like that could have any sense whatsoever in the world of business you know and still but looking at these equity markets they're way better off than the credit markets than the debt markets that that's where all these problems are going people swapping debt and derivatives and all of these things i mean at least these are companies at least ultimately at the end of the day you can poke a ceo in the chest and hold something a service or a product that he created that the company created you know all of these other debt pieces what are they there's these numbers that are circulated in a variety of

ways where everybody makes money and if you lose money guess what you don't lose money because the government will bail you out so how the how the fuck are they not going to do that? It's a no risk situation. You know, let's be super aggressive. Let's be super risky. We'll make a bunch of money on the way out. If we lose, no big deal. Uncle Sam will come in. They'll pay it all. I mean, how are we not expected for them to have it? That's why I think one of my biggest beefs with the Occupy Wall Street movement is, you know, it really should be Occupy Washington. I mean, you're telling these sharks that, hey, play this game. You can make all the money you want.

And if you lose, we're going to bail you out. Well, whose fault is that? They're going to be sharks. Sharks are going to be sharks. These men are put in their positions for being greedy, for being, you know, the most aggressive in their, in their, of their class. And then we're, we're expecting them to behave in these dramatically moral ways and not do it?

No, it's not going to happen. If they have no room for failure at the end of the day, why the fuck wouldn't they do that? Has there ever been a stock market movie where they weren't really in it for the money and they were just kind of really cool guys and a lot of principles?

Every stock market movie. I saw Tower Heist with Eddie Murphy and who the fuck is it? The other guy? Ben. Jesus Christ. Stiller. Jesus Christ.

How did I blank on Ben Stiller? Hilarious fucking movie. But again, evil banker. You know? Evil stock market guy. Is there ever a nice stock market guy? Like, you know, think about like Boiler Room. Everyone's doing coke everyone's

fucking crazy they're all over the edge is there a stock market movie where everybody's like really cool it's a breed it's a breed of animal it's like asking to go to work with pictures of their kids bible passages it's like asking if there's a great white shark movie where the shark doesn't eat the fuck out of people of course he eats the fuck out of people it's just the nature of the beast i mean there's some great stock guys i've known a lot of them some great hedge fund managers i've known a lot of them but you know ultimately they are super aggressive and they're going to take advantage of any market that they see there's a dude i used to do taekwondo with who became a stock market guy and i didn't see him for a couple weeks and i saw him he was like he had a suit on and shit

and i was like what are you doing man like what's going on with you and he's like dude i'm fucking selling stocks fucking he was like this really aggressive psycho doing, man? Like, what's going on with you? And he's like, dude, I'm fucking selling stocks. I'm fucking. He was like this really aggressive psycho dude. And all of a sudden, he was like really into this game of selling stocks. But the way he was talking about it, I was like, he was going to financial war every day. And we're fucking bitches up, bro. We got the fucking best team. Let me invest so many money. Get the fuck out of here with this crazy asshole.

No, I know. It's a silly system. It's weird. Show me your impersonation of a sad North Korean. No. Stomp your fist up and down. It's like the worst acting ever. Like every time a camera's on them, they're like, you are sad, no?

Are you sad? They're all falling down. How depressing you sad falling down how depressing no tears no tears i saw a documentary the other day on that country and uh this was right before he died i was like i watched this and was showing like how all the kids are in like people are blind in north korea they're going blind because their their diets are so bad that they're getting cataracts and there was kids just tons of kids with cataracts because they're how poor their diet is i mean wow 40 i think it was a 40 or 45 percent of the children in north korea are starving like like like like dying because of starvation if you're interested in any of this go to vice guide for north korea go to vice.com and check out the thing that they have

up because they have a bunch of shit today, including all this North Korean labor camp footage where they have all the slave footage that they have. That's crazy. The whole country is around those slave

camps. That's what makes the fear that makes all these people act this way is because of those slave camps. Yeah, the makes the fear that makes all these people act this way is because of those slave camps. Yeah, the people have no power there. I mean, it's really amazing. When you see a dictatorship, it's horrific. It's the worst way a human being can be treated. But it's also quite impressive.

It's really amazing that some guy is just allowed to just straight run shit. Like in Thailand, some American just got locked up in jail, I think for a year, for talking bad about the king. The king actually doesn't even run the country in Thailand, as far as I remember from when I was there. Well, you can't talk shit about him, though. But there is a special rule about talking bad about the king. You know, it's a weird situation where they have some kind of control on the ver talking bad about the king you know it's a it's a weird situation where they have some kind of control on the verbiage towards the king but he actually has

not as much governmental power as um as the general other thai leaders i don't know what they have as far as that's interesting person but yeah apparently he's like legitimately beloved yes you know that they love the king yeah it's not amazing it is wow yeah that's a strange fucking place man that is do you think we're withdrawing our troops so we can send them to north korea dude we're not going to north korea there's no minerals in north korea there's no gold in north korea there's a whole country of people that are kind of i don't know that's kind of nazi shit in my opinion it is well it's a communist dictatorship. It is 100% like that. I mean, it's actually worse than Nazi.

Right. I mean, I wouldn't say worse. But you don't think Team America? It's the same exact vein of it. I mean, they're not out there causing genocide and attacking other nations. But, I mean, they're fucking, you know, that's a terrible way to live. Don't talk about it. They said that Kim Jong was the number one buyer of Hennessy.

Number one single person that buys the most Hennessy. Do you almost think that... Imagine what kind of fucking rapper parties he must have had. The rappers are so mad about that right now. They're going to change that. Do you think maybe that we are planning... Did you make that up, by the way? No, it's 100% true.

I swear to fucking God. Look it up. I believe you. But do you think maybe that we uh poison kim jong to give him a heart attack and you think we're planning all this to go to north korea no he's an old dude but it is kind of fun if you want to be a conspiracy theorist and really start thinking about it and think about you know gaddafi and you know osama bin bin Laden and Kim Jong-il and Mubarak's gone. Think about all these people who have been moved, replaced, or died just really recently.

It's like, have you ever seen General Anthony, what is his, no, Wesley Clark? Do you remember that guy that was running for president for a while? He's, I think he's a general. Some badass army guy. And let me look it up so I can give him the right. It may just be part of this sign of the times of change that it's kind of sweeping over everybody. It seems like there's this tumultuous period

as we're coming into this age that's causing change to happen at a more rapid rate. Brian, pull up the plan. I want you to pull up the plan. I want you to pull up the plan according to General Wesley Clark. You can just Google Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, and this will come up in YouTube. But my point was this General Wesley Clark actually in, I believe it was 2007,

he predicted all of this. And he said this is the plan plan this is what they want to do they're going to get rid of Gaddafi they're going to go into this country they're going to take over Iraq they're going to kill Saddam Hussein he literally spells it out everything that we did

about 10 days after 9-11 I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the joint staff who used to work for me. That's General Wesley Cron.

And one of the generals called me and he said, sir, you got to come in and talk to me a second. I said, well, you're too busy. He said, no, no. He says, we've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq. This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, we're going to war with Iraq? Why? He said, I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know what else to do. So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to

Al-Qaeda? He said, no, no. He says, there's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq. He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments. So I came back to see him a few weeks later. And by that time, we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it's worse than that. He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper. and he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meaning the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.

So go through the countries again? finishing off Iran. Go through the countries again? Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and then back to Iran. 2007. Wow.

This is a general Wesley Clark. I mean, this is, you know, he's not a kook. Jesus Christ. But it's weird that he would, I mean... Is he still alive? If you know that, yeah. He's not a kook. Jesus Christ. That's nutty. But it's weird that he would... Is he still alive? If you know that, yeah. Well, I mean, I think, yeah, he's alive, man. But I mean, if you know that and you don't tell,

you're probably much more likely to get killed. You know what I'm saying? True. You might be thinking about telling somebody that. Once it's out. Yeah, once it's out, it's out. And if they get you, it's almost obvious. But if you're one of these dudes

and you know some shit like that, you better get on a talk show, son. You know what I mean? If someone knows that you know that, I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't kill Wesley Clark because he's a fucking general. And on top of that, he's probably been a part of a bunch of shit in his past that maybe he didn't agree with

combination to a lockbox with a lot worse secrets sure sure it shows up unexplainably dead yeah and look nobody knows more about how the world really runs than high-ranking generals period you know they get pushed into situations where they absolutely know that they're doing it for a very specific reason. That Smedley Butler article that was written in the 1930s, War is a Racket, you know, amazing, amazing article. When you think about the fact that this guy wrote this in, like, I think it was, like, 19-something, 1930-something,

and you would say, you know, back then, man, there's no way people had figured it out. Back then, you know, people were, we were in a corrupt country back then. Back then, all the wars were just. There was real bad people over there. Not according to this dude, man. This is a major, U.S. Marine Major General Smedley D. Butler.

And it's a really brilliant... It was actually 1930. It was published in 1935, but he wrote it in 1930. It's called War is a Racket. And this guy had a career in the military and got out and just said, listen, this is how it goes. War is a racket.

It always has been. It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to be to the majority of the people. Only a small inside group knows what it's about. It's conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many out of war

few people can make huge fortunes and this is a 19 motherfucking 30 this guy wrote that is that incredible it's like we've always sucked you know we've always sucked we've just been better at covering it up if we had the internet in 1930 you know people would be like what what the fuck are we why are we in mexico you know what's going what? What the fuck are we? Why are we in Mexico? What's going on in Haiti? What are we doing in Cuba? There's probably some truth to that. I think this.

Fuck yeah. So if we had to do it, we've talked about this, Joe. So if we had to start it all over, let's say some cataclysm happens, economic collapse happens, a situation where like-minded people are able to, before it happens, say, all right, listen, we got to scope out North Dakota. This is going to be our spot. Let's go there. Is that the only way to do it? Or is it possible that the way to do it is to not have everything completely fall apart but have everybody sort of come to some sort of an understanding?

I would much rather have that. Absolutely. Maybe we could ease into a second economy by starting it off slowly. Like you don't have to use U.S. currency. Maybe we can have an alternative currency that we all agree to. They tried that in the Austrian town of Wuergel during the Great Depression, I think 1932. It's a pretty interesting story. The currency had two features.

One, it was commodities-backed. It wasn't just backed by gold which is one way to do it but the problem with just a gold back is it's contingent on people actually liking gold still and wanting gold someone's going to wake up eventually the fuck is this gold?

you can't eat it you can't kill anybody with it you can't make hammers out of it you can make a catapult out of it so you gotta I mean obviously gold yeah, it'd be a heavy something but uh a good weapon if you could catapult a ball of giant gold ball fuck you up man but it ain't worth what it costs ironic way to die i got pinballed

well you know the whole story about the zechariah stitching story about why gold was valuable to ancient humans yeah he believes that the anunnaki who created the human out of the the lower hominid and the alien genetics well they needed us to mine for gold because they needed gold in massive amounts to suspend in their atmosphere to protect their atmosphere it sounds completely ridiculous but when you really go back to like how long people have been using gold i mean were like nomads, man. Like why, what did you give a fuck about this little shiny, weird, soft metal that you can't even make a tool out of?

Aldous Huxley has a different theory that I think is actually pretty interesting as well. He says that the reason people like gold is because it approximates some of the shiny visions that you see under the psychedelic or mystic experience. So that's the reason why we like gems. That's the reason we like gold i mean now metal is everywhere it's ubiquitous but back then that was the only shiny shit that you found in the earth was metal that you mined right now we mass produce it so it's not that you know mystical or beholding anymore but he says you know he's like why are we digging in the dirt to find these shiny pebbles still and he says it's because

when you're on these kind of mescaline or dmt or these other experiences you see these multi-faceted you know you know colors and lights and shine you know that kind of makes sense to me but many more people have gotten into diamonds and rubies than have had psychedelic experiences right but we're all but we all know some knowledge of that realm you know and that's his that's his idea his basic concept is that your mind is just a filter and it symbolizes the things that you see so that you can walk around you do the normal daily stuff but when you remove that filter like through psychedelics or through other different methods

some of that starts to peer through and you see the colors in the way you know that they are in the void and the different aspects outside of our physical confines and that's what's so mystical about them and that's why we seek that even if we haven't seen it in psychedelics we know it and that's part of like you know part of our soul's knowledge or at least part of the collective mind at large well everyone's had a dream you know and any dream state is just might as well be a psychedelic experience. I mean, how many times have dream states just been like you're involved in something that is just completely ridiculous, makes no sense, and you're just kind of going with it?

I mean, that's like a lot of really nutty, crazy dreams, right? That is like a psychedelic experience and most likely even caused by psychedelic compounds in the brain they don't totally understand how that works man they don't totally understand like why dimethyltryptamine is in your brain and 5-methoxy dimethyltryptamine and when is it actually released there's like theories that it's released in periods of high stress and there's some anecdotal evidence but they really have to develop these uh much more uh sensitive ways of determining like when the actual dmt is released during various stages of human activity because right now from what i understand one of the only ways to find out is

when someone dies like does dmt flood the brain when they die well you have to like get in there like within seconds after they're dead and measure that shit you know within you know i mean when when you your body processes it's 10 15 minutes and you're back to baseline i mean it's a it's a really quick experience so like when someone dies if they get that blast if that's what happens and you know you have a psychedelic trip that like whether it eases your you know your departure from the earth or whether it opens up some fucking gateway to something that's next. Whatever the hell it is, it's gone pretty goddamn quickly.

It's poof. It's there, and it's not. So they would have to open your fucking head up real quick and get to that gland and then start testing, I think. There's something to it, obviously. But what is it? I spent a long time telling that story

about the jungle when I was down there and taking ayahuasca. And since then, I had a very deep psilocybin experience in contrast. And there is something particular about the DMT molecule that I'm convinced that's transcendent to what, you know, in the framework of the jungle where i was when i was there that's you know causes you to go to different dimensions than even a psilocybin trip i felt i felt like there was the dmt molecule is some form of gateway that opens doors that you can't even get you know with other energy medicine psychoactive compounds there's something particularly special about that and i couldn't couldn't help but feel that overwhelming feeling i actually was able to i saw a lot of the same kind of figures and a lot of things like trying to pull me up like that was a large part of my vision was these reaching down

in and trying to pull me up into these higher levels but this the fuel wasn't there like i couldn't i couldn't open that door the same door that i went through back in the jungle. And maybe that has something to do with the shaman. Maybe it has to do with the other things. But I think it has to do with TNT itself. Totally different compound. Totally different compound. So each one has their own specialty. I think that is a part of the compound of psilocybin.

I think NN-dimethyltryptamine is actually like a part of it. I think it's something like 4-fox-4-aloxene NN-dimethyltryptamine. It's very closely related yeah and it certainly is but there was i don't know for whatever reason there was some some maybe you didn't have enough maybe not how much did you have it was uh probably two and a half grams made oh that's not enough son but it was you got silly yeah you got silly that's not enough you need five five is the magic number. Yeah.

But I've taken a good amount of it. Brian did like seven recently. By mistake. The world disappeared on him for a little while. Yeah. Yeah. There's different situations cause different results, but it's a pretty remarkable experience. I haven't done DMT in several years. And it's been a couple because the last time I did it was the only time ever, ever,

I mean, I've had a bunch of psychedelic experiences, but the last time I did DMT was the only time where I ever was not sure what was real and what was imagination and fantasy for about two weeks. For about two weeks, the world itself, like as I was driving, seemed malleable. Like it seemed like if i concentrated on car accidents you know i might wind up in a fucking car accident you know if i concentrate on it raining out it might rain out i mean it sounded completely ridiculous i didn't believe

that i could make anything happen with my mind at by any stretch of the imagination but what i also didn't believe was that reality was 100 real real. Because what happens when you have a real mind-blowing fucking trip is, first of all, you get terrified that it's that close. That all you have to do is smoke that stuff and it's right there. I can get there in 30 seconds, a minute, and I get to some impossible place. Like if you could, if you had to journey across the earth to get to some spot in Tibet where you, you know, you look into the DMT realm, you know, you have to climb through a fucking cave and rappel and, you know, you camp out there and it takes days and some people die like climbing Mount Everest. But if you get there, if you get to that spot, you look out and you see God. You look out and you see the most purest wisdom the the the

most knowledgeable love the most sympathetic voice the the most knowledge that you could ever possibly imagine coming from something in a way that's not even language like very difficult to describe but so intense and humbling man people would they would take trips to go to there they would it would be a you know i'm saying like if there was like a guy that you could go to that would give you this feeling but essentially there is and it's it's if if everyone knew if it was legal and you could go to places where they could prescribe it boy would that change the world i mean would that change the world yeah would that change the fucking if you seen if people have seen what you've seen could you imagine a totally different place but if you brought that up people say like you're a

fucking crazy person like what are you doing you're going to give people drugs the hallucinations and they're going to oh that's going to make them a better person well the driving another you know theory from huxley is that the driving force behind all religion was seeking that that kind of transcendental place. And people got to it through a variety of different means. He said, you know, all the chanting that you find in these mystical traditions, that raises the CO2 level because you end up breathing out more than you breathe in when you're doing it, unless you're a highly trained singer, you know, and you're an expert. But most of these ecstatic chanting and yelling and all that

is designed to raise that CO2 level. You breathe out more than you breathe in how's that even possible just well just well in a normal breath that defies all science doesn't seem like that's possible well just new there's no more air well bro i'm breathing now more than i'm breathing i'm taking air through my dick hole son sounds like a rapper made that one up my dick hole fills up my lungs from the bottom, yo. Well, anyway, that's how we put it. There's some ways in which you raise your voice. People say shit like that, man. It drives me nuts.

And then you repeat it accidentally, not thinking about it. And then someone else has to come along and go, wait a minute, man. What the fuck did you just say? And then you go, yeah, what the fuck did I just say? God damn it. I'm just repeating some stupid shit. Somebody told me. In martial arts, that was always a problem.

That's always a problem. Well, that could be the wrong way to go about it. But either case, he's saying that was one mild example of raising the CO2 levels. There are certain breathing exercises that certainly do that. So that does something to the air. It's more carbon dioxide. So that ends up reducing that,

what he calls the cerebral reducing valve that is what keeps everything symbolized. Because that vision, what you're talking about, you're saying it's right there. It's right there because it's around us all the time. And that's why when you take something or smoke DMT, you get to it instantly. You don't have to travel to it because it's there all the time. Sort of, but isn't it possible that it's also perturbing your mind and giving your mind an excess of chemicals to deal with

so it distorts your visual perception of the world. I mean, it seems to me that you have to look at every single possibility. And you have to look at the possibility that if the brain produces all these different chemicals at varying doses, and we believe that it varies at doses based on stress levels, wow, there might be something to that. There might be something to this possibility that there's a gateway. But there's also a possibility that you're just getting fucked up

on some wacky drug and seeing some nutty shit. And it's so humbling because you don't expect it that when you come back you have all these rationalizations and all this... Either way,

if you believe it, it can make you a great person. It's like a lot of religions, man. I don't think there's anything wrong with Christianity. I mean, if it works for you, it can make you a great person. It's like a lot of religions, man. I don't think there's anything wrong with Christianity. I mean, if it works for you, it works for you. I know people that it works for them, and it actually does make them a better person. And if you believe in it, it can work. It can make you a better person.

And if you believe that your psychedelic experience was truly connecting with the divine, well, that can make you a better person. But it could also be your system is just over flooded by some shit that's not supposed to be there in rocket fuel doses you know just a wash and like usually what it gets a sip of it's at the bottom of a river of of you know this crazy fucking fluid that's i think that's actually i think a more accepted theory than which is that you're actually taking away your filter instead of adding something else. And he goes on to talk about probably more convincing arguments than the chanting argument, basically that there was a famous saint, the Curé d'Ars, this French saint,

and he used to say that when he would flagellate himself, God would deny him nothing, and he would have access to that mystical level. That was a popular thing right for people who don't know that means you beat the fuck out of yourself so you would do it reached in and pulled a fart out or something oh flatulence you're thinking of no flagellate is like

they used like a little whip didn't they either knotted leather or actual barbs on it and it would cause their back to bleed and what he was saying in the era before soap that would cause you know first of all the actual beating would cause a lot of adrenaline to rush through your body and histamines to rush through your body as as this was going on that in combination with the fasting that was very popular obviously lent winter was kind of a forced fast

and with the flagellation that caused you know an era before soap there's almost always fester so there would be all these decomposing protein in your system. It would basically reduce your cerebral capacity to the point where you could enter psychedelic trance states and actually commune with God underneath your hair. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Break that shit down again. So you're saying because they were dirty, stinky people that didn't wash that good, so they didn't scrub off the outside layer of skin,

that somehow they're penetrating that would change their state? Well, this is in combination with a variety of things. So basically, the brain needs vitamins and nutrients to function normally. You go through these long periods of fasting. That was one way to reach the mystical experience. Forty days of fasting, you're basically denying your brain of all the glucose, all the vitamins necessary to function optimally. And that's when a lot of these people had visions. Well, the reason they had visions, according to Huxley,

was because the brain was just not able to function as its normal symbolizing cerebral nature that it does to make us all survive. So you were able to take in more of the capital M mind at large, which we call the collective now, because of the lack of vitamins. And he was saying also the flagellation usually used in conjunction with that. So you got your brain basically running on very little, just trying to hang in there. And then you beat yourself.

And then at that point, you got adrenaline, you got histamines, and then you got festering wounds on your back that are causing more, you know, more kind of toxins to your brain. So at that point, your brain just kind of shuts off and it allows more of that mystical experience to come through. Wow. So you beat the fuck out of yourself to achieve enlightenment after you starve yourself for a month or so. Can you imagine farts before soap? But that's how important seeking that mystical

experience was to these people. They were willing to do that. How did they find out about it, though? Someone must have beat someone and said, thank you for starving me and beating the fuck out of me because I learned a lot about myself. Maybe. Well, the winter was basically a forced fast. They had hardly any vitamin C during the winter. They were only

able to store a certain amount of things. And then Lent coming off winter was also a time that caused a lot of these visions to come. And at that point, yeah, somebody maybe got taken to the whip. I mean, whipping was a common way to treat any kind of petty offense. Someone gets whipped after three months of fasting for winter, 40 days of Lent, and they get whipped. They very well may see God. And that was Huxley's idea. But he said, now at the state that we know about psychedelics, trying to get to the mystical state through that reason is like burning a house down to cook a pig. It's like you don't need to do that anymore.

You can go out and you can find these tools that were placed here on the earth to help get you to that experience. Really amazing. And I'd never heard that before. I'd never heard that before about the flagellation and the starving. It totally makes sense. Yeah, it's interesting. But it's a crazy possibility.

I've always wondered why the fuck they beat the shit out of themselves. I just figured it's like Jerry Sandusky. Like, they hate themselves. You hear one of the things that Jerry Sandusky said in one of the interviews. He said he wished he was dead. He was talking to this woman. The woman was asking him why he, why he touched her son. And he said, I didn't mean it to be that way.

I wish I was dead. Wow. You know, like, these guys beat themselves, whips with fucking barbs. That's a person who hates himself, right? Well, the guilt that was fostered by the beliefs in the time, I mean, would cause people to hate themselves. They'd have this constant sense of gnawing guilt that they couldn't get rid of. So how do you get rid of guilt? Well, somebody has to punish you if nobody else is going to do it.

So you punish yourself. Isn't it amazing how the human mind can be programmed like that with religion or with nationalism, you know, whether it's North Korea or whether it's the fucking Inquisition? It's amazing, really. It's amazing really it's amazing that human beings can all fall into a pattern the pattern just has to be really clear and enforced and scare the fuck out of a few people while it's being enforced and then boom it's a it spreads you know it's really amazing it's just we're so weird you know we're capable of such brilliance and such beauty but we're also so fucking dumb we're so easy to to trick we're so we're so we're so easy to program and and make

act completely ridiculous and absurd it's so easy well i think there's there's a couple things that are going on there i think there's a certain amount of people who are very easily programmable. Yeah. And I've read some figures and estimations that there's 20% of the population, like a hypnotist who brings a bunch of people up on stage. Those certain people are very susceptible to suggestion. I have to bring this up because people think I'm a dummy.

I've got a bunch of tweets from people that were like, fuck you, stupid. If comedy hypnotists aren't real, I know you don't think they're real because guess what i didn't think they're real either when i first saw a comedy show at stitches comedy club in boston i saw frank santos the r-rated hypnotist and i said this is bullshit this is so fucking stupid this is bullshit but it's not bullshit it just wouldn't work on you. You, the skeptical person that's like, this is bullshit. Generally, you're probably fairly intelligent. It's not going to work on you. But if you're one of those dudes with a nine volt brain, there's a lot of people out there like that. You can hypnotize them. It doesn't seem like it should

work. It seems completely preposterous to you or to me or to you because we couldn't be hypnotized like that. But to that dude, couldn't be hypnotized like that right but to that dude it's absolutely possible and that's amazing it's like it's almost like there's people set up around us and we have the cheat codes for them you know and you throw in throw throw them into god mode you know like literally like people can be hacked yeah that's amazing and people and and people know that have been taking advantage of that so there's that factor there's this 20 let's say of people that can be basically hypnotized they're basically walking somnambulists you know like able to be hypnotized easily is it a biological thing i think

so i think it's just the way that their mind works in a certain way and i don't think it's necessarily a lack of intelligence it's just a certain circuitry that their mind works on where they're that it goes i don't know definitely a lack of objective reasoning sure sure that critical part of the mind is probably getting steered around uh for a certain you know because that hardly rational individual but they're you know their emotional intelligence might be off the charts you know like they might be able to be very you know insightful as far as you know their intuition and what they're able to see but but certainly there's some critical aspect that they're able to just circumvent and shut off completely and and that's that's i think obvious but once you get that majority let's say that 20

human beings are naturally creatures social creatures so if you start to see a majority like if you start to see a bunch of people running, you're going to start jogging the same direction. Be like, oh, shit, I don't know why I'm jogging, but these people are fucking going, and I'm out of here. So I think that's part of what happens. They get a certain minority convinced, hypnotized, basically, to some nonsense. And then everybody else is like, oh, shit, look at all these people. They can't all be wrong. And then they hop on board as well.

It's amazing. We have to fix the design of the human body you know i've been saying this on stage for years that we gotta stop making having sex have to do with making babies that's ridiculous it should be way harder to make babies and it should be based you know on you should have to like do something you know together maybe go do something go somewhere together go through a ceremony together and then you make a baby. Or abortions have to be easier. It has to be an app on your phone. The problem with abortion is the

abortion idea. It's like you've got to catch it quick. You catch it quick and it doesn't count. It's like, well, are you sure? It doesn't count or is it like stepping on an ant? If I step on an ant in my house, nine times out of ten, I don't even clean it up. If I step on a mouse, I've got to clean it up.

And basically, if a mouse is the size of an ant, I wouldn't give a fuck. There's something about when things get bigger that they start becoming real. That's crazy. I mean, there's a lot of holes in that argument. It's a weird sort of an acceptance of what's essentially killing a life. If you let it go, it is going to be another person. So what you decide, and I'm not saying you shouldn't have the right to choose because you absolutely shouldn't, and I don't want to be the one

that tells you what to do with your body. Don't get me wrong, but as a philosophical argument of what it is and when does it start and when when is it life you know it's like how about we just figure out a way to completely prevent it unless you want it that seems like much smarter like we should be doing that to kids at like a really early age i'm not saying we should neuter them but we should fucking get them on birth control lickety split you know gummy bear well the uh jesus yeah i mean like give them a chance to get out of high school and keep their, you know. When you're in high school and you're boning and you're raw dogging it and you're barely pulling out on time,

that is, like, the best time to make a person. Like, your body's ready to go. Your body's young and fresh. And you've got bitches, their eggs are falling into their socks. You know, there's so many eggs, man. They're ready to drop. It's so easy to have a baby then. And that's just the most ridiculous thing ever.

You know, that we're set up the same way that we were set up back when it was really hard to stay alive. You know, our biological set up is set up from back when we didn't have houses. You know, we were out there sleeping under the stars. One guy had to stay awake with a stick, you know. And then we're wandering around chasing after these animals because we have to follow the herd. Otherwise, we'll starve to death, you know. God damn, man around chasing after these animals because we have to follow the herd otherwise we'll starve to death you know god damn man what a shit design yeah the whole world has changed and we're the same that's what's really fucked up we and our little fucking interesting minds have figured out a way to manipulate the earth so radically that we've

polluted the ocean and fucked up the the air and left big fucking giant spots where no one can go for 100,000 years. There's a gang of them where we drop nuclear bombs just to fucking see what would happen. We had to get rid of nuclear waste. We've done this like that. We've done it so quickly. It's really amazing.

But we're the same animal that we were 50 000 years ago 100 000 that's creating so many of the problems i mean i think the uh the guy malthus is a you know politician and you know economist and he basically said food production increase increases arithmetically and you know population increases geometrically so that ultimately you know the way things are going we see this in all these third world countries you know reproduction is far out, you know, the way things are going, we see this in all these third world countries, you know, reproduction is far outpaced, you know, the amount of food supply and the things. And this happens at various periods in history. effects, then nature will kind of auto-correct these mistakes. Or you have to take different methods of contraception very seriously and start teaching that at an early age and putting that in people's minds from the start. And I think that's one area where we're terrible at.

We don't want to talk about fucking with kids. We're still preaching abstinence, which is nonsense. That Michelle Bachman is hilarious. It is amazing that michelle bachman is hilarious it is amazing that that broad is still running for president it is amazing with her big gay husband when they run around and tell everybody not to have sex i mean it is really fucking funny man somebody's got to follow that dude around i mean i can't i i you know i started paying attention to the polls um and you know when uh ron paul especially when especially when Ron Paul's ahead in Iowa right now, he's got the lead.

He's number one in Iowa. And everybody's shitting their pants. But that Michelle Bachman broad, she's still in it, man. She's still in it. She's in it to win it. I can't believe it. I would have thought, doesn't everybody know she's a fucking loon? Hasn't that been figured out yet?

Have you seen her husband? Have you seen him talk like that guy can't hold it in flowers come out of his asshole when he farts i mean he's a guy if he threw his hands up randomly in the air glitter would just magically come out of the air it would i mean whether it was you know whether it came from his skin or came from the universe recognizing the gayness that he exudes that needs to be glorified in glitter. He can create glitter. He can create glitter. He's a fucking peacock, man. He's hilarious.

He's one of the gayest people to ever walk the face of the planet. At least he looks like he is. And she's running around talking about gay marriage. And they have a pray the Gay Away sort of a clinic where they all get together. And one guy did an expose on their Pray the Gay Away clinic, and there was a guy behind him somehow or another. They do this thing where they all get together,

and they hold on to each other. And he says, the guy behind him clearly has a hard-on. He's like, what the fuck are you doing, man? And these people are running for president, man. It's amazing. But she's got a lot of people that think that she can win i mean not enough to actually win i don't think unless everybody else fucks up bad but the problem is they keep fucking up everybody keeps fucking up it's like there's no rick perry is still in it but it's just cursory at this point it's like what is

he doing come on dude everybody knows you're an idiot you know like you're done man you fucking can't talk all right you forget shit and you know you're like ge. You're done, man. You fucking can't talk. You forget shit. George Bush was way better, and people were offended by how dumb he was. Rick Perry's really fucking stupid. George Bush was better than this guy, way better at talking. He seemed like he wasn't an intellectual, but he seemed like, especially back when he was running for governor, it seems like he put some fucking words together.

This guy's an embarrassment. So it's like, who else? There's no one left. I mean, who else? Mitt Romney and fucking the other guy with the big head. It's got to be Ron Paul. Yeah, but yeah, but really? That seemed, I mean, they're going to let that happen?

I doubt it. I doubt it. But Newt Gingrich? How hilarious is that? That's like somebody's you know what that would be like if Newt Gingrich would be president

it would be like if you dated this girl and she was a cunt and her dad was a cuntier cunt that's Newt Gingrich you know like if you dated a girl and she was just a fucking

she was nagging and paying the ass and then you had to go over and meet her parents and her dad is like you better be nice to my daughter I'll tell you that right now I don't take any bullshit from kids you know yeah you gotta deal with your

dad monster he's like someone's dad he's a monster where does glitter go you never throw glitter away is it like are we breathing in glitter are we starting to become glitter on where you live because you have glitter on you right now you don't even know it and it's like where does that go though yeah does it just fall on the ground and it's the strip clubs where do you see glitter it's on your on your face right below your eyes probably from my little ones they have when you have little ones and they have glitter we're always playing with glitter it's always like glue and glitter they're always making things where does it go it gets thrown away i guess yeah but we're probably breathing glitter yeah you might gonna die from glitter brian don't worry about that shit to go back to

the point that you had uh you were talking about sex earlier, because I thought about this a lot in building a society. And some of the solutions that people had to the population growth problem was actually teaching a form of tantra, which is where you withhold your seed when you're having sex. I ain't even trying to hear about that. In all fairness, I gave about that in all fairness all fairness i gave it a go right right and it's pretty it's pretty interesting the dynamics now

i don't think i would try this you know personally very often but if you created a system where you actually taught sex and this was one of the ways you could do it and not how is tantra any better than the pull-out method you know i don't i barely trust people to drive cars you know that feeling that you get it doesn't matter if you're having sex or if you're you know if you're masturbating whatever you get that feeling after you're done that's just kind of a bummer any way you look at it really it's kind of like yeah a little bit it's way better with sex than masturbating like if you're using a fleshlight the feeling is like is like 10 times but even when you're having sex it's like sometimes there's that that kind of really cool like glowy feeling afterward i guess you know i understand that but it kind of it kind of allows you to keep first of

all it allows you to keep doing it like indefinitely for like a long period of time so you can just go to the point of climax and then you cool off you chill out you hang out and after you know after you do that with the person it's not like yeah go get cleaned up we're gonna you know sort something else out you're like still in the mindset so you can stretch it out for these long periods of time it sounds like you're blue balling yourself to death son you could basically occupy a massive amount of time having sex and it's pretty it's pretty fun what if the chicken's all dry it's like motherfucker will you just come yeah christ well well you just you just peace out for a little while but i mean that was one of the ideas that they that they taught i mean obviously contraception is super important but you know

just teaching different methods is is going to be vitally i don't think we should teach them tantra fuck all day this is what i want you to do but hold on to your loads and fuck all day. This is what I want you to do. Hold on to your loads and fuck all day. But imagine how much more entertaining that is than just fucking for five minutes and then that's it. That's all you're done. You get to stretch out

something that's enormously enjoyable. Isn't there a comfortable medium? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, fuck her and then take her out to dinner. And always do it in that order. You know,

the worst is when you see a guy who takes a girl out to a comedy club and you know he hasn't fucked her yet and she's all mouthy and shit and yelling shit out and you're like why is this i'll tell you why because you didn't fuck her you didn't fuck her before you leave and that's true shit if you gorilla fuck a girl before you leave the house she first of all she's not she's not trying to

draw on extra attention her genetics tell her she's already gotten fucked today chill out you don't need any any extraordinary amount of You don't need any extraordinary amount of attention. Don't need any extraordinary love. Just settle the fuck down. But if you don't fuck them and then you take them out into the wild

and they're pumping out all those someone's gonna fuck me tonight hormones and it might be you. Hopefully it's you. But if she's a crazy bitch she's trying to like

see if there's another offer out there. She's like maybe maybe I'm not even gonna stay with him. Who knows? Where's fucking I'm funnier than him. A lot of those effects are not only evening dependent, but whole relationship dependent.

Girls have just never properly gotten biologically fucked. Yeah. Or never been with a man. I mean, how many girls have you ever met that date really weak dudes because they're terrified of being in a situation where a man controls them? really weak dudes because they're terrified of being in a situation where a man controls them because either someone was a man was abusive earlier in their life or they had a bad you know father relationship or stepfather relationship there's something where they they're shy away from any strong man you know where they're literally forced to be the man in the relationship

and they have i mean i know girls that are constantly involved in like beta men, like guys with real issues that can never get it together. They're always fucking falling behind on their bills. And these girls are always nagging at them to get their shit together. And it's this weird relationship, man, where the woman makes more of the money and the woman pays for the car and he has to borrow it from her when he wants to go out. And it's like, wow. It's such a clear situation to everybody else

like to you on the outside you're like look this is not good this is fucking completely unnatural dude there's a reason why she's yelling at you yeah you know hey man we're all equal we're all even it's all the same who cares man she makes the money you know i help out around the house the fuck out of here you know there's no way you're fucking her correctly. You gotta fuck her like you have all the money. That's the only way you're supposed to fuck them. You're supposed to fuck them like you have all the money. Daddy's gonna take care of everything.

And he can't say that. She's like, Daddy can't even take care of his own fucking car bill. Oh, bitch, make my dick go limp. Then shit gets ugly. There's some definite demasculinizing movement that has caused a whole crop of males to be pretty ineffectual, I think, when it comes to that. I think a lot of it is because women

have to take care of themselves, and they don't want to hear your bullshit. And then men want those women to like them, so they become emasculated or demasculated. Divorce. Divorce is brutal. That chops away a guy's... Well, living with your mom at a small age, you know, also.

Oh, just with your mom? Yeah, age You know also Oh just with your mom Yeah just I lived with my mom And my sister It turned you into A gay boy Yeah Yeah

I got to fuck with A real doll Well it's not a real doll But it's better than A real doll Last night Really We had this

Santa roast At Death Squad Where we just roasted Sam Tripoli Dressed up as Santa Claus And everyone And this company From

It's called Synthetics.com. Whoa, I'm looking at that picture. Holy shit. He's this guy and his girlfriend. Spell it. All right. Synthetics, S-Y-N?

S-I-N-T-H-E-T-I-C-S.com. And it's just him and his wife, and he does everything by hand, and he just sculpts these beautiful fucking real dog dog type things and it it it would been it's so perfect i wish like him and fleshlight would team up because he has like a part like these vaginas that that that you can take out and clean and stuff like that and they're kind of like fleshlight ish but uh i could just imagine putting a real fleshlight in that thing because it felt real it It looked real. And it was so weird seeing Sam Tripoli. Like, after the show was done, we were all hanging out, and Sam was just sitting there staring at it

like a little kid looking at boobs for his first time. And that's what the reaction to everybody that was looking at these things. You fucked one of these? I didn't fuck one of these. No. We just had a couple at the Christmas party. How much did they cost? About $5,000.

Dude, it's amazing how life like this is the boobs feel real you open up the mouth i mean it's it's it's it's creepy when you're looking at it it's awesome this is amazing how realistic it looks i'm like really shocked yeah and here here's me and jade's me and jade and cole like we were just raping this one of what this one girl yeah because it's cool because you just pull down her pants and look at her butthole and stuff. And her butthole comes out so you can put new kinds of buttholes in and stuff. It's really weird.

Wow, they have a bunch of different models. Yeah. This is crazy. And it's cool because I got to talk to him and it's like, how do you design them? And he's like, well, this girl started off with a photo of Megan Fox and then we took the body using this famous 70s...

Yeah, we just crushed that website. Oh, really? Yeah, I feel bad using this like famous you know 70s. Yeah we just crushed that website. Oh really? Yeah I feel bad. Just like that we crushed it. I can't even get on it anymore. I love doing that though. It's fun. I love when that happens. But he said anytime if you want to do a podcast at the Ice House

you'll bring a couple by so we can play around with it and we can meet them. Yeah tell them to get with the Fleshlight people and come up with a better cooter how do you clean that thing out man it's not the fleshlight we unscrew the bottom of it well the the parts that you fuck up uh have like this uh like they pull out kind of like a fleshlight and you know a refrigerator yeah and like the butthole comes out the next level is going to be hooking that up to a computer program where you get like some artificial intelligence he said he said he wants to take the uh put the iphone at a dock in the neck of it so you can talk to siri through the iphone what or through them and she'd be like hello you know whatever well you could get it you

could get it to the point where it was like a sexual training device yeah apparently they're going to come out with some sort of an apple device where siri communicates to your phone through like something that you wear so you'll be doing like almost everything through siri you know this is the idea to it like you'll press a button and say siri what emails do i have and sir you know as siri gets more and more advanced so when whatever is in your pocket you'll be doing everything through voice recognition software so So Siri's going to control the robots of destruction. So Siri will control the fuck robot. Well, hopefully fuck first, then destruct later. Once we realize that we're fucking their robot daughters,

that's when they're going to come after us. One thing that was funny is that his version of the pussy part, which was kind of fleshlight-ish. Not good enough? No, it was definitely, you could see the quality of fleshlight. It it was a billion times better what is it in the softness of it is like i think it uses maybe a close similar kind of material with it but what was different about his is that he actually his wife or girlfriend uh paints painted like the lips a different color you know like kind of beat them up a little kind of like really realistic like an old whore yeah like the makeup job like

had an arm tattoo also just catching dick for decades bam bam just the entryway is all skidded like fucking like when a plane keeps coming in for a landing yeah exactly it's just skid elbow it's like skid marks on a on a fucking pool table beer factor was awesome last night man it was really interesting to see that the the two muscle guys like there was two guys on the show like the big buff like ripped guys had such a hard time early on i was like wow those two little gay guys just beat these little muscle that's not a way to be man that's not i mean they were saying that they're agile and they move well, but the bottom line is you're carrying around a bunch of unnecessary muscle

that's not aiding you in your frame, the way you move. It requires a lot of fuel. You get really tired really easily. Like those guys that have like, when you see a guy that has an extraordinary amount of muscle on him, to someone who like does jujitsu or to someone who does MMA, you look at that guy and go, how long can you last? You can't last.

All you have to do is grab a hold of you. All you have to do is engage a guy like that in a fight. Engage him in a fight. Get a hold of him. I mean, it could be really explosive, all that muscle. He could really have a powerful punch. You have to be really careful. But if you can get past that and somehow or another manage to get a hold of him

and just hang on, just make him struggle to get off you. And 10 15 seconds he's at 30 of what he was 15 seconds ago like literally it's amazing like there are like guys like that are always like one good exertion away from their heart fucking exploding in their chest right it's like they have a computer like a celeron 300 processor and they got it jacked up to 425 you're not supposed to be carrying around that much weight man you're just not it's not natural it's really hard to do you gotta put a bunch of shit in your system

to make yourself carry that much weight and most of those guys are non-athletic you know here's a question about this show I don't know if you can answer this if I caught on something but is there a do you guys say like hey you guys need to just make fun of each other because that chick last night was just like you're ugly oh no your face is like that's just fucking crazy well that other girl talked some shit about her eyelashes first all right the other girl opened

up the gates of hell but once she realized she didn't want to fuck with that girl because that black chick was mean and she was getting in her face about it you're so ugly i'm surprised you're talking about my eyelash it was you're so ugly she was like you look like uh the the evil stepsister yeah i'm surprised there's not more jerry springer shit on that show well we keep it to a minimum we showed very little of that that argument but that argument was a big argument oh really that shit went on for a while i had to calm them them down. I was like, hey, come on. Listen, you guys are saying some mean shit. I shouldn't say you guys, because it was just

the girl. Once Tonika started talking shit, the other girl shut the fuck up quick. How she treated her own husband. Well, again, the fucking water seeks its own level. It's like we were talking about. That's not the kind of behavior that you want to hear or I want to hear in a girl.

But for some dudes, they seek that out. And I get it, man. I don't know if you remember the other day, Esther gave us a bunch of those drinks, those fruit drinks. And I had one the other day because she left one over in the fridge. And it was an orange pineapple or something like that. And I was drinking it. And suddenly, in my mouth, a bug. Like, you know the lightning bugs? What those look like?

The ones that aren't lightning bugs, but look exactly like a lightning bug. So it got in the juice? It was in the juice, and I was just pouring out, and right there, I was about to puke. I was like, I couldn't even imagine drinking a whole fucking milkshake of that shit. Impossible for me.

Yeah, you wouldn't be a good candidate. No. And height? Impossible for me. Never. You don't like to move that much. Yeah. So that's not good for you either.

Sleep factor. I'm on. Fear factor. No. Sleep factor. I hate to be morose, though, but when you see people get sick and you see people that are unhealthy, do you ever stop and think, man, eventually I'm going gonna have to quit smoking cigarettes and actually get my body in some sort of shape does that ever come or you're just gonna ride that bitch till the wheels fall off um or are you not

thinking about it until something breaks on you yeah probably more of that so i'm probably more ralphie maying it and then i'm gonna be like no more marijuana for me i'm only gonna wait till something breaks well i mean i mean you'll get super healthy diet wise uh weight watchers i i you know i know you don't believe this but on the diet wise i eat really healthy and i i'm i'm constantly like doing like juicing and and making i believe you need some some healthy things and but then i definitely you know i'll have like an olive garden here or there or something like that where i'll just you know fuck i'm just eating like shit you know yeah going crazy but for the most part if you look at my refrigerator it's all like

it's kind of like your refrigerator for the most part really yeah i mean i don't eat much though that's the problem i eat one like last night i ate my first meal at 1 a.m oh that's not good so your metabolism is all fucked up and you're drinking coffee during the day i drink coffee and that pretty much makes me not hungry for a good five hours. Yeah. I think an important concept, even applies to the muscle men and applies to everybody. I actually wrote about it on the On It blog. It's called Are You Fit Enough to Survive?

And I think there's an important concept in there. Like take away all of the normal rules. Let's go back to like a primitive state where you have to chase food for a while, maybe run after them a few days, and you have to do certain explosive movements in a fight against an animal or another before i answer your question just take a look at that shit right there motherfucker you're gonna fall off the car first answer yes there's a certain amount of physicality that i think is necessary to maintain a proper mental balance either to even for some folks for some folks yes um. For other folks, I think some people are adverse to physical activity.

It reminds them of fucking gym class or whatever and they don't like it. But I think that, especially for men, that haunts part of their physical psyche to know that they wouldn't, on a basic primal level, be fit enough to survive in a situation

where there weren't all these rules in supermarkets. Unless they have mad ass burgers and they don't know what the fuck is going on they're just sitting counting numbers i think everyone's bodies are totally designed different because like you work out you feel good when you work out i work out i fucking hate it always hate it even when i was like a pack of cigarettes a day you eat dog shit all day even when i was a kid even in gym class even even anything i hate it well yeah i you know I think you're – But you enjoy it.

Yes. Well, we're very different, Brian. I don't know if you figured that out yet, especially body-wise, man. I don't know how much – I mean, look, I know that the way I'm built is a lot of it is genetics because my mom is built like me. My mom is short and wide. My mom is built like a bulldog, man. She's not a petite lady by any stretch of the imagination she has these big ass wide feet and they're always breaking

shoes like she has all these problems with her feet because her feet were always way too wide for women shoes you know i mean it's good if you want like a sturdy brick carrying sicilian i mean you know that's what my mom's probably her genetics are really good for carrying heavy shit around like back in the homeland but that's like i got those genetics you know it's like it's real clear that like if i don't work out i don't trust myself i don't i don't like the way i resolve issues i don't like how quick and quick my temper is i don't like it yeah see that shit doesn't happen for me oh what's also but then there's the nature versus nurture thing because i know the certain amount of is biological but a certain amount of is also i've been feeding my body this adrenaline energy explosion and my my body from the time i was a small boy has been exploding on things just smashing things and

when your body grows up like that and it's sort of it's sort of like engineers itself to perform under those balanced loads you know on those extreme loads rather then when it builds up for that and then when there's no load there's no release there's no explosion there's no there's no there's no sprints there's no smash smash smash all of a sudden you just got all this smash juice and it's not going anywhere and somebody cuts you off in traffic fuck fuck you! I'll fucking spew my smash juice on you. You know, I mean, there's a lot of people that you see in traffic, man, and they're fucking freaking out

and going off on someone. A lot of those people just need, they need a physical thing. They need a physical thing to keep their body in balance. The body is not, it's not even. Everybody's are different.

Everybody's across. But for a lot of us, we're not getting nearly as much smash out as the body requires. I really think it's everybody. I really think everybody can benefit from it. The human organism was designed for activity, not for sitting in front of a computer for nine hours,

sitting in front of, you know, driving home, and then sitting and watching TV. We're not designed that way. You know, we're designed to be active. And so to compensate, we have to create particularly intense one-hour sessions often because we are going to be sitting the rest of the time. It's just the nature of how our jobs are. But that physical release, I think, is important, not just for the body. Obviously, the health benefits of the body are

immense, but for the mind as well. You know what I've been doing, man? I've been doing light workouts throughout the day. Instead of just one big fucking crazy workout a day, I had a back issue. I kept getting the same muscle pull in my back. I would let it get three quarters of the way healed and then jump back into jujitsu class and fuck it up again. I had to take a certain amount of time off. When I took time off, I found out there's a lot of shit that I could still do that wasn't fucking with me. I did it easily. found out there's a lot of shit that I could still do that wasn't fucking with me. So I did it like easily. So I said, let me just today, I'm just going to do a couple sets of chin ups and a couple

sets of dips. And that's it. Let's see if that fucks with my back. No, it doesn't. Well, let me try it tomorrow. I'm going to just do it. And then I started doing all these things like throughout the day, I would do like several times a day, where I would do just a few kettlebell exercises, and I found that I was getting like less sore, but I was getting strength gains. Because when I was doing it over the course of a few months, I was noticing that when I do these little smaller workouts, a friend of mine told me that he got the best results on his chin-ups when he installed a chin-up bar in his house,

and every day he would just do 10 chin-ups. Every day. Not that hard. 10's easy. One, two, three. You do 10, and he's done. But he did it every day. And then he said 10's easy. One, two, three. You do 10, and he's done. But he did it every day. And then he said, after a while, I could do 20.

And he goes, crazy. It's just like your body, it just gets strong at doing that. And there was never a day where he did it to failure. He just did it to 10. But you do it every day, and your body goes, all right, we need this fucking ligaments. We need more blood. We need to thicken this forearm up. And then next thing you know, it was almost like no pain but gain.

Those body weight workouts, a lot of people have had a lot of success with that. I think it was Herschel Walker that did just a ridiculous amount of push-ups. A lot of people say that Herschel Walker also lifted weights and he lies about it. I don't know if that's true. I don't want to discredit him,

but I do want to put that out there that I did read a lot of crazy shit that he said. He only drinks a cup of soup and a fucking loaf of a couple pieces of bread and a salad that's all he eat and he he'll eat once a day and you're like okay where's all that mass coming from yeah there's got to be numbers involved here there's got to be there's something has to come in to fill that that doesn't even make any sense and apparently he wants people to think of himself as what he is. He takes a lot of pride in being an athletic freak.

I mean, whatever the fuck he's doing and eating and whatever weights he's lifting. The guy's 48 years old and he's in amazing monster shape. You know, I mean, he's still like a real super athlete. But, you know, he had like, I believe it was trauma-induced multiple personality disorder. I believe it was trauma-induced. You disorder. I believe it was trauma-induced. I mean, from all the years of playing football, I think he had a lot of issues. And I believe he wrote a book about that.

So who knows how much he remembers? There might be one Herschel just eating steak all day and fucking doing squats. It's not Herschel, it's Herman. Yeah. Herman eats the steak. Herschel Dose, who somebody's working out, I'll tell you that. I mean, he obviously does the push-ups and the sit-ups and everything else too,

but the guy's just, he's just one of those dudes that's just in monster, monster shape, man. If he ever got into MMA when he got into football, if it was around back then, he might have been like an all-time great, you know. Because he's tough to stop. Oh, my God. We haven't really seen that yet. We haven't really seen a guy it was like a super we're seeing it in john jones yeah you know john jones we're seeing it but before john jones we're never

seeing like some guy who just can learn shit really fast and he's ridiculously strong and it seems like he's just just has an advantage over everyone he faces when john j Jones grabbed Leota Machida in that fucking standing guillotine, you just knew Leota was not getting out. His strength, his ability to manipulate bodies, it's really freaky to watch, man. He's got some crazy ant strength. We see an ant pick things up effortlessly. Ant picks up a leaf leaf and it's like,

how the fuck is that ant just picking up that thing? If you look at the relation to it, to its body, like my God, it did it like effortlessly. More impressive to me was his Ryan Bader fight. I mean, Bader's a badass.

He's a great wrestler. He beast fucks dudes. He just throws them around. It was impressive. Nobody's ever even had him on his back. I mean, has anybody? Has everybody had,

have you ever seen him in his guard? At least the Yoda hit him a couple times good he did the first time he could take a shot he could take a shot he took some hard shots yeah but you know what how about he figured out leoto striking how about that man he had one tough round and then he came back in the second round cracked him got him to the ground he cracked him with a fucking hard elbow or a punch it was a punch or an elbow well the first one was like a left hook i think is yeah leoto was coming in cracked him and then got him to the ground smashed him with an elbow well the first one was like a left hook I think as Lyoto was coming in cracked him and then got him to the ground

smashed him with an elbow and that was basically all she wrote it was one elbow Lyoto got up and he was dizzy I mean he really said he couldn't focus

he couldn't see well and then John got a hold of that neck you know it's like that could be Herschel Walker could have been like one of those guys

you know he could you know there are guys out there you know the human body as we've talked about before it's they're not equal they're just not and some of them are getting better and better and better you know yeah and back in the day someone like john jones would have you know a

few thousand babies because they'd be on some you know the top warrior in some in some uh yeah rotting force you know i read it i read a stat that genghis khan they found a certain dna in his in his y chromosome and genghis khan is related to 0.5 percent of the world's population holy 0.5 percent it's like eight percent of all the asiatic people but 0.5 percent of the entire world because of just the amount of people that he had sex with and his descendants had sex with because the kublai khan then went into power and he would you know he ran the chinese dynasty but that kind of effect you know we won't we won't ever see anything will chamberlain 10 10 of america is will chamberlain's dna it's crazy but there was something to be said how many people do you think gingus khan fucked he didn't even have viagra back then he just did it on pure hate just just a hate dick. He was planning inside.

I mean, he was trying to have little Genghis's. There was no pulling out for Genghis Khan. Yeah, he must have just shot loads in it all day. Isn't it amazing that that's how people rolled back then? They just made as many kids as they could. Well, I mean, not everybody, but Genghis Khan and his boys. We're just assuming, right? This might be slanderous.

Pussies must be so disgusting back then. They got the for the for genghis in particular but it probably didn't smell good but i think i think there's something to be said for that kind of phenomenon because nowadays the best i mean genghis khan was not only physically um you know unbeatable as he rose up through the tribes in the mongol you know step in the plateau nobody could defeat him he won all his tribal battles. But then as a military mastermind, he was brilliant as far as what he did. Kind of revolutionized a lot of the theories of warfare. So very intelligent, very physically capable.

And by his, you know, sexual encounters, at least the genetics part, I mean, fatherhood was a whole other issue. And, you know, the humanity involved in all the races. I'm sure he was a great father. But as far as, yeah. Probably better off with him not being home as far as genetically and this is how strip clubs were invented as far as genetically advancing you know the the genetic race probably played some positive part in that and that'll never happen again like the geniuses of our world like the the most amazing people who could genetically speaking purely you know advance

the human race, they're not having a thousand babies anymore. They're not even having 10. They're having one or two, you know, but really probably what would be beneficial would be if they had, you know, tons of babies. I mean, that would really actually further the human race. That's the principle of sexual selection. As it happens in the animal kingdom, that's how it works. The biggest, smartest, baddest lion has the most babies. It doesn't happen in man. It seems that as we approach some sort of a symbiotic relationship with computers and technology that's inescapable,

the power of the physical becomes less important. Sure, so it should be the smartest person. The smartest people have to get that person. The people who have the power now aren't the physically strongest. They're the smartest. They get the money. You listen to get that pussy. The people who have the power now aren't the physically strongest. They're the smartest. They get the money. Right. You listen to Al Pacino.

First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women. He didn't say women. He said pussy, bro. Don't ever clean that up. Or did he say bitches? Don't ever clean that up. But you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the pussy. What movie was that?

Scarface? Scarface. Didn't he say you get the pussy? Or bitches? I can't remember. I've only seen that once and I've never seen it. I don't usually like watching the Italian movies. Did you say Italian movies?

Yeah, I don't really like the Italian movies too much. Oh, Brian. Yeah, obviously the smart people are not getting to breathe at the same rate as Genghis Khan did. But I think people in general are just much smarter and much more aware aware much more in tune

than than ever before but as far as like yeah like super geniuses the rate the biological race over the technological race it seems to me the technological is so fucking far ahead of the biological that it's almost ridiculous to assume that the biological is ever going to catch up whether it's through natural selection or not it just seems like technology in the short amount of time that it's been around has achieved so much momentum and so much innovation. It's gone so many generations and models greater than what it was when it was first introduced that it seems like inevitable that that's going to be the big tip-off. It's going to be a technological innovation sort of a thing that changes everything.

And the idea that the human body is going to get good enough to catch up to that, I think that's ridiculous. I think what's going to happen is there's going to be some sort of a large-scale genetic engineering of the human body. We're too late. We're too late for the sexual collection to work. We're going to be super people, bro. We're going to be Thor.

We're going to have the ability to fly. But you're also creating, I mean, a lot of this, you know, technology is moved by genius people, outliers a lot of the time. And we're also not, we're closing down the possibilities for that genius to genius mating that would naturally occur to create. That's okay because a genius can just shoot a load into a cup and make a million new people from it. That's true.

I mean, I think eventually when we figure out how the body is actually created, how organs are created and we figure out the ability to replicate them, we're going to be able to figure out the way to make a super body. And whether it's through some sort of a genetic manipulation to a person that already exists in a certain form, like in fucking Captain America, when they lock him into that tube and they zap him with all that blue shit and then, ba-boom, he comes out a super person.

I mean, that's not too far away. Don't you think that seems to me like it would be way easier to do than it would be to send picture through the air and have it go to someone else in Australia or China or something like that? That seems to me way more impossible than you can improve a biological unit. We understand cells. We understand cell division. We understand the mitochondria, the power plants of the cells. We understand genetics. We've sort of mapped out the human genome. Our understanding increases. Now, we shouldn't say are because it's people far smarter than you or I, but those people,

the people at the head of it, their understanding increases every single year. Their data grows. Their abilities grow. It's going to reach some point. Really, it seems obvious that in the future it's going to reach some point where they're going to be able to make a fucking superhuman. Yeah, well, then the moral and spiritual implications

as far as whether that's a good thing or not a good thing come into play. Yeah, it's like who the fuck... A lot of movies have explored it. Well, why is there a good thing at all? Why is there a good thing or not a good thing come into play yeah it's like a lot of movies have explored well what what is why is there a good thing at all why is there a bad thing why does the universe have that even as an option well it seems to that you have to have it in order to inspire movement it's almost like you have to have tyranny to to really come up with freedom you have to like you know you have to have people pushing you down. Resistance from the opposite. Yeah, exactly.

Why else would the universe have evil? All this stuff that exists, terrible feelings, horrible things you see, atrocities. The guy in Brooklyn who lit the woman on fire in the elevator. Why do these even exist? Why does the universe have this as an option? If this does

seem to be some sort of a mechanism or a program that's moving towards a very specific an idea or a goal something specific is gonna there's something going on there's a process that the human being is involved in just like bees making a beehive there's we're involved in some really super complicated process i think that i agree with that but i think that there's, you know, that's kind of looking at a kind of a linear curve of progress. And I think there's some things missing from our evolution. And I think our spiritual base has gotten thrown way off.

And I don't know if it's just the momentum of the religions or... Do you think it's possible that that's natural? Do you think it's possible that this lack of connection to the spiritual was almost necessary to create this technological fucking bizarro world that we live in with no conscience and no thinking about the future and no planning. It's almost like you need a disconnect. In order for this thing to arise out of the human animal, we need to become some sort of a technological zombie that just creates and goes forth and does its bidding does the bidding of the technology much like those fucking mushrooms i think it's a cordyceps mushroom that gets inside the fucking ant's head and makes them explode and the moth yeah yeah but does it to ants too right isn't there fungus that grows i've seen different specials i mean that's really what it's like it's like we are we're infected

with technology it's almost like technology is what's keeping us from from uh recognizing all these other spiritual realms and keeping us pushing forth in a certain direction because if you think about it without any technology whatsoever they would never be able to stop mushrooms they would never be able to stop pot they wouldn't know anything where anything is they wouldn't be able to arrest you they wouldn't be able to put you in jail they wouldn't be able to make laws they wouldn't be able to you know communicate they wouldn't have the news they wouldn't have there would be you in jail. They wouldn't be able to make laws. They wouldn't be able to communicate. They wouldn't have the news. They wouldn't have, there would be nothing.

There'd be nothing. So it would be impossible. So technology allows people to be suppressed. As much as it gives them freedom, it also allows people to be suppressed and stay zombies and keep on the task. Keep on the task. I wonder, man, I mean, everything else is natural. We look at wolves.

Wolves is whatever fucked up thing they do where they push the beta male out and he's going to starve to death. We look at it's horrible, but we also know that it's natural and it happens over and over and over and over again. And there's, of course, a bunch of different scenarios that can take place. There's a lot of different things that can happen, but ultimately they're moving in the same sort of a natural direction every time. in the same sort of a natural direction every time. How did we not know that our lives are not exactly the same way, just far more complex and intertwined, and we're aware of it? So it gives us this illusion that somehow or another this is just a random series of events. Yeah, I mean, obviously that's certainly a possibility, but I think that I do strongly believe that there are certain situations in which key people in the wrong moments and key movements in society kind of debilitated this natural spiritual flourishing that should have grown in conjunction with the technology.

Maybe technology was always destined to outpace it a little bit. Maybe it's your job to illuminate people. Maybe that's why you're here. You ever thought about that? Like this conversation is getting heard by hundreds of thousands of people that's like a little tiny spark a little little little little hachu that gets into the fucking the bloodstream stream of the world a little little virus that spreads out there i think that is part of the movement for change right now i think we're out of balance as a society and i think as a world and i think we have to get back into it it probably is yeah our

indignation is natural all the reaction is natural me wearing a ron paul shirt is natural yeah you know it's all natural it's it's it's a push into a certain direction and then that's the the natural mode you know mode of response that's what it's supposed to do and i think it has to happen i mean i think a lot of laws have to change things have to be dropped i mean we have shortcuts to get there that's the fucked up thing and these shortcuts grow naturally all over the all over the world and they just happen to be illegal and uh we gotta we gotta change that and we gotta give people the shortcuts but also the foundation behind it i mean having somebody just saying yeah take mushrooms go willy-nilly it's like telling someone to go into

the deep jungle and not saying hey you got've got to bring mosquito repellent. You've got to bring this. It's like saying, here's some scuba equipment. Figure that shit out and go dive in the ocean. That's not a good idea either. I mean, you still have to. There's these structures in place, and the shamans have had it figured out. It's thousands of years of lineage of teaching and how to explore these realms.

Like you say, scuba gear is the perfect analogy. Don't go deep water diving unless you know exactly what you're doing. But if you do, you can get to these realms that give you direct access to God. And the reason why religions have pushed against that, if you have direct access to the all, to the universe, to God,

whatever name you want to put on it, then you don't need the priests. And if you don't need the priests, they have no power. So all of these religions came up putting intermediaries in place so that they could develop these massive power structures using guilt and different mechanisms to control

the people. And I think we got off course. And now here's a chance to correct. Well that was John Marco Allegro's thoughts for the whole creation of the Bible in the first place. That it's suppression of information. That the original stories were hidden in these you know these

little tales in the Bible hidden in these little tales in the Bible with all these little hidden clues, but that really what it was all about was psychedelic mushrooms, that these people were just trying to preserve this information when they were captured by the Romans. It's fascinating if that is the root of it all, the root of it all, just a few people trying to keep this experience, this connection to something else going, whether it's real or not, whether it's real or imagined. Like I said, Christianity, maybe not real, but fucking helps you for sure. Well, something's going on if

it's fake, and yet it still helps. I know a lot of people, believe it or not, they believe, and because they believe, they become better, their life's been enriched. So that's an effective tool, you know? Sure. Well, I mean, you also have to think, you know, obviously there needs to be a place for that, and Christianity can fill it, but is it the best tool to fill that void? Well, the thing about Christianity... Could there not be a better one to develop? The difference between, like, you know, a lot of people say, like, why would you talk

bad about someone's ideas uh when it comes to like christianity but yet you espouse all these ridiculous ideas when it comes to drugs well first of all it's not all drugs it's psychedelics and second of all just try one just you take a deep mushroom trip and tell me there's not something going on it's really one of those things where it's a repeatable experience. Anyone can do it. You really can. And then you'll understand what the fuss is all about because it's not as simple as a hallucination.

It's not. There's definitely some perturbing of your visual senses, your perceptions of the world. But then there's also a voice and there's a conversation with something that seems outerworldly that's communicating with you in some sort of a telepathic way. And there's always a deep insight into how your life works and a really clear illumination of all the issues that you've got going on. Which is like, why would there be an experience that's both humbling and enlightening and guiding?

And why would there be that? Is it just your imagination? Really? Is it that simple? is it that simple is it that simple or is it is this how a life form well i mean there's two ways to look at it yeah there's the what is actually happening way but then there's a simple pragmatic you know effect of how it affects people who take it and overwhelmingly the people who have taken these in the right with the right intent in the right setting have these mystical experiences that change their life for

the positive so whatever you're accessing pragmatically it's a positive benefit it feels this void to find the mystic you know obviously myself and you believe that there is something else out there that you're accessing for sure and the traditions do as well but either way just on a purely pragmatic approach it's having positive benefit huge positive benefit studyable the johns hopkins university did that you know that recent uh magic mushroom study that they did improve long-term psychological health i mean this is you know it's a legit university they're coming to this conclusion after doing tests on people the point there is they say they found a sweet spot we can optimize

the positive persistent effects and avoid some of the fear and anxiety that can occur and be quite disruptive says lead author roland griffs, professor of behavioral biology at Hopkins. So what he's essentially saying is what everyone's been saying. You need a shaman. A shaman doesn't just throw you out into the fucking woods, but gives you the correct dose and allows you to achieve this state of oneness. Whatever it is, this state. Let's just call it bliss.

So we take out all the woo-woo. Let's just call it this state of enhanced experience that is a psychedelic bliss. It's bliss mixed with self-reflection. Yes. Critical self-reflection. Intense.

Very fair. Very fair, honest, and uncomfortable at times. Sure. And that's a hallmark of all psychedelic experiences is the personal reflection. In eating marijuana, eating marijuana is one of the most personal reflecting things you can do. That's why a lot of all psychedelic experiences is the personal reflection. And eating marijuana.

Eating marijuana is one of the most personal reflecting things you can do. That's why a lot of people hate it. They hate when they go too deep, when they fuck up and eat a brownie. Like, you bitch. And then they sit down and freak out about the fucking world. As much as you think you are looking at the whole thing, I bet you're not looking at it all because you can't. In order to get in your fucking car and get on the 405 every day and drive into downtown la the only way you can do that every day is if you compartmentalize

your thinking and if you're if you're thinking about the the very structure of the universe you're thinking about you get into subatomic particles you start thinking about waves and string theory and and and craziness and what is cells and biology and the different organisms that live in your body and the healthy bacteria you consume and yogurt and fucking acidophilus. And like, what's going on here? You can't. There's not enough room for that. Right. You can't process all that shit.

So you got to put your blinders on. But then you eat that brownie and it all just blasts into focus. You feel your heartbeat. It seems weird. It seems tired. How many more beats does it have left? The best analogy I heard was that taking psychedelics is like a banquet for the spirit. It takes a while to prepare.

It's very rich. It takes some time to digest. You can't do that every day. And what fills the void, eating dinner in this analogy is meditation and just doing a little bit. It could be yoga, it could be 10 minutes in your house, but actually finding that point of stillness in our lives, that's dinner. And then the banquet is when you get to really go into the void and bring back some knowledge and some different experience. But I think that would be the one

thing, if we could create one rule, and if I could say I had omnipotent power, the one rule would be that there would be some shamanistic tradition that had a coming-of-age custom ceremony in the world in which when you came of age as a society, you had a psychedelic mystical experience with a trained guide, with your peers,

and with your elders, and had this community experience, even if it was only just one. So you got to experience and taste that something else that's wholly other than just yourself and kind of transcend your own ego, even for one evening. And I think that would make single-handedly the most difference as far as change in society. That one coming-of- age ritual in which you know they got to experience that i think that would be it unless someone made it like boot camp now you are a warrior and you fucking take your sword and go out in the world and try to fucking cut down your kingdom yeah no it couldn't be like that but the shamans don't you know they never and i wouldn't say never obviously there's different shamans but the tradition is not in that it's in transcending the ego and all a lot

of those kind of warmongering mentalities is very ego driven like i will stomp you because i am strong you know you don't get that from the psychedelic experience i mean you could get that well didn't the norsemen yeah they got it from amanita muscaria they would they would certainly yeah you can certainly channel it into some very invincible, aggressive states. Especially if that's like your reality. I mean, that's what you want. You want Odin to guide you to victory, man. I mean, your reality is not.

There are no vacation homes, okay, for the fucking Vikings. There is no Disneyland resort that you can take the kids. It's about cutting people's heads off before they cut your heads off. It's about storming the beaches and taking all the women. That's what he wants, some mushrooms to help him out with this. There is no other way to live. Were there any pacifist Vikings? No, they didn't survive.

Conscientious, objective Vikings? They didn't make babies. They didn't make babies. None of that going on back then, bitch. You're there for one reason, to make little baby Brock Lesnars. Yeah. That's it. That was the goal, yeah.

I think mushrooms in particular allow you. I believe that there's kind of two energetic forces out there, and they're not good and they're not evil. One's just you can call it the dark or you can call it the light, but one's more really the primal side of life. It's that kill or be killed. It's that kind of savage animal dominant side and that has a certain energy that has some destruction elements to it but it's all

like you said it's all part of the same thing and some but and some people know some people don't have it and some people are really purely intellectual and it does not they're not connected to the physical but their intellectual is like off the fucking charts And I think that's also a part of this big crazy puzzle. There's a you, and there's a me, and there's a Brian. It's like that old song. It takes every kind of people. I mean, it sounds so stupid and ridiculous and simple, but it really does.

I mean, in order to accomplish this greater goal, this bizarre, multicultural know, multicultural, uber complex civilization, it really does require almost every conceivable personality all working together. I still think that people should strive for internal balance. I think that leads to the biggest happiness. I think being able to access both. If you're pulled towards that, if you feel like, you know, it's missing in your life, you know, and for a lot of people, that is the case. A lot of people feel, a lot of people are very unhappy, you know, a lot of people that is the case. A lot of people feel a lot of people are very unhappy. A lot of people do not feel fulfilled. I feel very

lucky that everything I enjoy that I do in my life, I enjoy these things. I enjoy every podcast I do. I enjoy all of my friends. Except Saturdays. Saturdays kind of suck. But that wasn't your fault. Shit happened, man. You can't get Daryl Wright and a porn star in one room and expect fucking sparks um you know

i and if you can figure out a way to do that to find whatever it is you do that you really get satisfaction with whether it's carpentry or whether it's you know painting pictures whatever the fuck it is that really is number like one of the most important things. And then no cunts. Have a no cunt rule. Just no cunts. Don't be a cunt. Just stop it. You know, people get mad at me on the message board because I keep fucking pinking people and banning people.

The way my message board is set up on JoeRogan.net is there's a bunch of moderators. All of them I know personally, or at least I know them online, and they're all really cool. And they don't want you being a douchebag. It's really simple. If you act too annoying, you're trying too fucking hard, you stumble in and piss off people, you get cunty, you just get moved to this stupid room. In this stupid room, you get a pink name, and now everybody knows you fucked up.

You either acted like an asshole, or you were rude, or you got annoying, whatever the fuck it is. You're not being cool. You're not enhancing things. And for some reason, people think that you're supposed to, by giving them free speech, you allow them into your little cyber room. You allow them to be cunts.

People have mistaken free speech for you can be a cunt with no repercussions. Like, I'm on the internet. What about free speech? It's like, this isn't speech. You're just cunty. You're allowed to talk, but I don't have to listen. I shut you off. I don't want you around.

Do you not understand that you're an unpleasant vibe? No one's stopping you from starting your own message board. No one's starting you. But what they're saying is, in a cyber home, you're not welcome anymore. Because you're annoying. Because you come over and you bring a bad vibe. And people, for whatever fucking reason, because they're so entitled with this sense of anonymity and this unnatural way of behaving that people have because there's no social repercussions, the norm is to be cunty. The norm is to say bitchy shit that would make me

tell you to get the fuck out of my party. And you think you could just do that. And they think they could just do it and get away with it. And you're an asshole if you call them. I'm like, dude, just stop talking about me. Stop being a dick. Go away. Bye-bye. Imagine having a party.

And some guy comes over and just criticizes everything you're saying and says you're half retarded and some of your ideas. Like, oh, okay. Get out of my fucking house, dude. Just go. They don't get it, man. Just go. You obviously... They don't get it, man. Yeah, they don't get it.

There's other ways to communicate, you fuck. And you're thinking that there's only one way because you've been doing it this way for so fucking long, you actually feel entitled to be a cunt. Treat it like it's a house. Would you come over someone's house and you're meeting them

and would you communicate with them like that? If you would, I would kick you out. It's really that simple. Don't think you can come into my cyber house and not get kicked out for being annoying don't make me booblay you oh shit i just did have you been booblayed is there an update nothing yeah i haven't seen anything i haven't seen anything what they call that booblay denial dude i haven't seen a goddamn thing it's true do i say in my life no i don't watch fear factor last night i watched booblay 32 times i had to um i had had to tweet it.

I was tweeting live. Oh, yeah. I was wondering if you were doing that for... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I told them I would do it. Oh, that's cool. It's fun, but I can't give away spoilers. Right.

I have to make sure that everything I'm saying is like, you know, no spoilers. Yeah. Just got to protect the information from the people. Speak... You were watching East Coast Time. How the fuck... Is that because you have direct TV? Spoilers. Yeah. Just got to protect information from the people. Speak. You were watching East Coast time. How the fuck? Is that because you have direct TV? Yo, I just know shit, though, yo.

Dog, I know people. I know to hook that shit up. I see. I wanted to bring something out while Aubrey's here. And yes, his name used to be Chris. If you go back and go, man, there used to be a podcast where there was a guy that looked just like that. No second thoughts, huh? It's actually finally gotten to the point where Chris sounds weird to me. Really?

It's not that many people that can pull off changing their fucking name and having us not make fun of it. We ought to make fun of it a little. I guess you got a little of it. I get a little bit of it. But it ain't that bad. I still get a few of that. Hey, who's that girl Aubrey? Especially in Texas, I would imagine.

Yeah. You're named Aubrey. Yeah. Do you ever wear beaded bracelets? Do you ever do that? No. Not usually. I do have some.

I do have some. You call yourself Aubrey and you have like wooden beads. He has the shells. The shell necklaces. Oh, the shell necklaces. Isn't that a John Heffron joke is it i don't know hey i wanted to talk because uh you know obviously uh we know each other originally from the flashlight a lot of people might not know that and then we're sort of in business together and on it and uh making

alpha brain and shroom tech sport and um i by the way i love that fucking shroom tech that stuff's the shit before jujitsu It's great for working out. Is there B12 in that too? There is. How much B12? Methylcobalamin. There's like 2,000 micrograms in there. That's a lot.

So a good amount. Holy shit. But the methylcobalamin is a different type of B12 than the cyanocobalamin. Cyanocobalamin actually creates a molecule of cyanide when it's released into the body. But methylcobalamin is called methyl B12. A lot healthier for the body and a lot better. But a lot of people take, like an athlete that gets an injection, that's tens of thousands of micrograms of B12.

So it's water-soluble, releases any excess, just releases through urine. So the body will utilize what it can and then just pee out the rest. And the cordyceps mushroom was first used by chinese athletes is that who uh they figured it out first chinese but they figured it out 2 000 years ago cordyceps you know the herd's been in northern tibet and china they're in extremely high altitudes and up there in those altitudes the herds and the people get very sluggish and they noticed that when a certain type of uh mushroom was available and on the ground and the herds would eat it the herds would become particularly active and they would

be moving around. They'd have more endurance. They'd be able to push them harder and they'd be playing more. And so the, you know, back in the day, that was your biggest cue if you were just a person kind of looking around. So they took a look at these and they tried them themselves and found the same, same results. And what we know now is that the cordyceps mushroom, it's actually a symbiont to the ghost moth, which is the host for the mushroom. And what they believe that it does

is the same thing that it does in people and in other animals that ingest it. It increases the oxygen utilization and cellular energy of the moth itself to allow the moth in this extremely high altitude plane to be able to fly better to be able to fly longer and actually survive and adapt and then when the moth dies the cordyceps mushroom actually springs out of it and so the first people to discover it in form of like real athletic competition was um coach ma and the chinese olympic team so if you take shroom tech and then you die are mushrooms gonna grow out of your fucking head i'm serious man is it like those those uh those ants it's like those ants and fucking in the in the uh is it the amazon whatever jungle it is where

those uh those ants get infected by spores and then those spores explode out of their fucking head and contaminate the other ants these are dead and dried otherwise you know it could be possibly no really these are dead and dried and taken well if they're dead and dried then what is the uh the benefit where's the benefit coming from it's still coming from what's inside the what's inside the mushroom there's a lot of available raw adenosine which is what is a an important factor in the atp adp cycle so don't go growing your own cordyceps mushroom and just eating them bitches. The digestive system will kill all that anyways. But it doesn't on ants.

But it's a different mushroom for ants. Cordyceps is only found in the high regions of Tibet and China. And it was actually the most expensive nutritional compound in the world for a while. It was getting up to over $20,000 a kilo of cordyceps mushroom at some point. Is it because it's really hard to grow? It's impossible to grow, really, until they could only wild cultivate it from these moths. It was very difficult until Aloha Nutritional, the company that we get it from, Dr. John Holliday, he made some real advances in medicine that allowed him to cultivate it in a competitive

substrate that allows the cordyceps to grow and be very effective in a in a cultivated state otherwise they had to yeah explain the competitive aspect of it because that's really fucking fascinating yeah so they grow it in like a brown rice kind of compote substrate and what they found is that mushrooms have to compete for a variety of things when they come upon a log or any kind of different environment with their're in, depending on what's out there, they will put out anti-competition compounds, which actually both strengthen their own species and also eliminate the other species. So if there's a bunch of bacteria, they'll excrete certain things to thwart the bacteria that's trying to get at the decomposing log. But if there's other mushrooms, there's certain anti-competition compounds available in those

mushrooms that's going to allow the mushroom to actually thrive. And some of those anti-competition compounds are some of the bioactive compounds that are found in the mushrooms. Wow, that's fucking badass. So by putting them in a competitive environment, it makes them stronger. So in the cordyceps, you get more raw adenosine. And the oxygen utilization is another really cool thing. And that's very easy to test, actually, because you can actually take a mask and the oxygen level is normally 20%. And you breathe it out at 13%. And then you put the mask on. And after taking cordyceps for two weeks, you'll come out and the oxygen you intake is still at 20%. But you're breathing out at 8%,

which was one of the studies that they showed. So that's a 50% increase, roughly, 40% increase in oxygen utilization. That seems like everybody would have to take it then. Is that really possible? That seems like too high. I don't notice it that high. I don't feel like it's that high when I take it. I don't feel like I have 50% more endurance. Well, that's just oxygen utilization, though.

That's not endurance. That's not measuring the actual endurance capacity. So an oxygen utilization should be a huge part of that, though, no? be a big part and that study that study's been out it's actually posted on the site other studies have shown you know varying different degrees but always oxygen utilization is a key and also adenosine providing you know increased atp synthesis versus adp the biggest uh boost that i ever got endurance was when i had my nose fixed because my nose was all fucked up and broken inside i couldn't get any air through it. I was a mouth breather.

And then once I got my nose fixed, it was literally like I got a 20% bump in my cardio. Yeah, that's a big difference. It's amazing. That was the most amazing, obvious thing that I realized. But this is a fucking close second. When I have real hard workouts, man, especially like jujitsu class,

I rolled for the first time in a while last night and i i rolled like you know deep into the class like a lot of times you know you go five or six guys and you just don't want to do it anymore you're just done but this like gets me one extra roll i feel like it's not easy but it gets me one extra roll and at the end of it where i'm like wow i feel like i feel all right yeah it's a hundred percent gives you a boost but it doesn't give me that cracked out red bull there's no there's no stimulants in it so surrounding the cordyceps which is providing cellular energy versus glandular energy glandular energy is basically tricking your body to release adrenaline that's what caffeine and all these things are doing right basically releasing more adrenaline so you feel like you have energy, but your actual cells, which are still using the ATP

cycle to produce energy, don't have any extra energy. So you push harder because you think you have more energy. And you crush your adrenals. And you crush your adrenals. Kevin James was told by his doctor he had to stop drinking coffee. He's killing his adrenals. Yeah, he's just pushing that button over and over again until the button just doesn't have as much to give. The button just turns to a leathery sack. Yeah, this is operating on a totally different mechanism. That's why you get that kind of physical burst. It's subtler than people.

People are used to taking it, oh, explode. They might be like, oh, this shit sucks. That's a good question. I wanted to ask you about this. I like that jack 3D. I like that stuff before it worked out. Can I take the two of them together? Absolutely.

There's no negative repercussions doing that? They're doing completely different things. Jack 3D makes you fucking, you just feel like you've got some energy too. That stuff's good. And by the way, we have no affiliation with Jack 3D. Use whichever nitric oxide supplement you enjoy. But a buddy of mine told me about Jack 3D. He's like, dude, I like this stuff.

And I started taking it. I was like, is it good for you? Give you a little boost. Yeah. You know what else is great too? Beta alanine. Beta alanine, uh dr ulus told me about this um uh ulus is a famous sports doctor and he said this is one of the few things that he's noticed like over the past few years supplements that he finds to be really legit as far as like muscle building like muscle recovery

he's found that he makes uh big gains with this stuff or quicker gains that he's used to and he's pretty in tune with his body that's another thing about this uh shroom tech stuff i think you have to be in tune with your body and you know when people ask me like hey what should i buy you know this stuff should i buy that shroom tech stuff like do you work out how do you how hard you work out if you don't work out really hard save your money wouldn't it be nice just for the energy boost so instead of having starbucks every day if you're yeah but starbucks yeah and you want that kind of energy, it's different. It's a different kind of blast.

It's a different kind of energy. Once you start working out, that's when you really start to feel it. Yeah, I get that Starbucks. When you get a grande coffee at Starbucks and you two sips in and you fucking love everything, fuck you, I want to go fucking paint my car. You get almost like a meth crank sort of a like really excited feeling to it you don't ever get that with shroom tech trenta oh my god that's 30 ounces it's the size of your stomach dude you're gonna die i do one of those a day that's gonna jack

your whole system man um sleep for the yeah you're you're gonna be you must be massively addicted the other shroom tech product though, everybody should definitely consider taking it. And what is the difference? What's the stuff in Shroom Tech Immune? A whole different set of mushrooms. So from Aloha Medicinals, Dr. John Holliday, his kind of flagship product is this product called IO Immune, which takes certain elements of these mushrooms that he grows together in the substrate. It's actually a very specific part of it.

And they're called triple right-hand helix polysaccharide beta-glucans. And what these particular mushrooms do, and they're present in chaga mushrooms in particularly strong quantities. I take that. Yeah. And what they do is they actually trigger an innate response from the immune system. So in the body's natural immune system, the gut is responsible for a lot of the natural killer cells that actually fight all the pathogens and entering bacteria, viruses, cancer cells that are shed. And what happens at an early age for us is with all the antibiotics that are in our water and that we take, we end up killing scores of these probiotic bacteria in our stomach. So they are no longer available to create the amount of immune cells

that can go attack any invading pathogens that get us sick all the time. So we're at a natural disadvantage. What the, and they've, you know, done a ton of studies on this IO immune. They're using it in, uh, at the same time as cancer patients getting treatment for chemotherapy at the same time that, uh, hepatitis B patients are getting treatment with lamivudine, which is a viral, um, uh, prescribed pharmaceutical viral therapy and having, you know, dramatically positive results in combination with other treatments because it's raising the body's natural immune system. And how it does it is these triple right-hand beta-glucan polysaccharide molecules, which are unique to these mushrooms, they are recognized by the body as foreign elements. And so the body mounts up their

charge of innate and natural killers, these T cells and different killer cells, and basically builds an army to deal with this that's actually a benign threat. So there's a cardboard army coming at them and they have a hundred nukes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's crazy. So they're mounting, they're rallying, and they're creating more immune cells that are capable of handling actual threats. And is that taxing on your system at all? No. The system is supposed to have more natural killer cells in it naturally, innately.

And as I was mentioning, I think you might have been rummaging, you know, doing something. But what happens is when the gut gets all that probiotic bacteria gets killed from all the antibiotics in our different foods we eat water and different drugs they're not able to produce an adequate quantity so we're actually at an immune deficit naturally did you antibiotics actually make it from a cow into your body when you when you eat a cow that there's a lot of people who believe so you know has that been proven i don't know if it's been proven that's that's kind of a that's kind of the theory that goes on and i'd have to do some more research i would say it makes sense if you drink water with you know they say that there's stuff in the water and it goes in here but everybody who hasn't taken courses of heavy antibiotics all of us now and when you do that you kill the probiotics and what moves in

instead in its place is yeast and the analogy that i use it's like once you get crabgrass in your lawn you know you can sprinkle more seed like by taking kind of probiotics, you can sprinkle more seed over the lawn, but it's not going to kill the crabgrass. They've taken up and occupied that spot. So we're operating, you know, our natural immune cell producers are not there in the quantity that they should be that they used to be. And so, you know, really taking these particular mushroom stimulators is one way that we can actually build our army back up so it can fight off not only the little things, the little colds, the little flus, the little stuff that we just kind of deal with, but also, you know, a lot of the big things start small, you know, different cells shed different mutated

mated cells and a dendritic cell should be around to just say, oh, that thing's fucked up. I'm going to eat that. But a lot of times that doesn't happen just because we don't have the available immune innate response to challenge that. So ShroomTech Immune combines that proprietary compound, IO Immune, which has been well studied in a bunch of the studies, combines it with chaga mushroom, which is also another great mushroom that has a lot of the same triple right-hand helix beta-glucans. It also has etulinaic acid, which comes actually from the birch tree in which it is found. So wild harvested chaga is actually better for you than cultivated chaga. There was a dude who had some whole video where he was pushing chaga. This is when I first started doing it.

Some crazy guy's tattooed all over his whole body with some weird different inks and shit. So he was a mushroom specialist. But he had one. He had a chaga mushroom that he was holding up. and it's like this big fucking crazy looking thing man it doesn't look like a mushroom it looks weird man it looks like a hunk of a log or something right yeah it's a weird looking mushroom it is yeah grows you know only on the birch tree naturally in the wild you know mushrooms are closer to animals than they are to plants yeah yeah it's a very interesting species a weird fucking thing

around forever the biggest organism in the world is a mushroom colony that lives in the pacific northwest and amanita bulbosa i think is the species name of that colony is that what it is it covers 37 acres yeah it's a giant organism that like is in the ground you know it's really nuts it is could you imagine a 37 acre being i mean yeah i mean it's you could take chunks of it and make other beings you can import them other places but essentially it's one one sort of a being and it's like a network you know if if mushrooms really do have intelligence you know like when you eat you know there's a lot of people that believe that plants have a certain intelligence they don't just don't have the ability to communicate but if these mushrooms have an

ability somehow our ability to communicate because they're all connected like that and they have this intelligence they can communicate with each other like that's some incredible like information superhighway that's in the forest up there yeah it sounds very avatar but it's very yeah it does but look avatar is based on a lot of like hippie dippy woo woo ideas about you know the the intelligence of plants but i've talked to people i have to research whether or not it's real but like plants can tell when they're around certain persons who have harmed them you know someone comes along and chops a fucking plant with an axe and that person is near the plant you can register it on the plant don't know there's some interesting studies on

music influencing the growth of plants like death metal versus classical really classical music yeah there's some really interesting studies on that how nobody likes death metal even plants even plants they they live in dirt and they survive on cow shit but they have better taste than death metal yeah something about that energy um the alpha energy. Alpha brain is a very fucking polarizing subject I've found on the internet. It's a fascinating thing, man. Nootropics, you know, we've been talking about nootropics

on my message board for like the longest time and I've been experimenting with them for years. But until we started getting in the business of actually selling them, I didn't realize how cunty people can be about these things. But one of the criticisms, and I think there's some legitimacy to this, is the way it's marketed.

And one of the things is, and you know, it's not on purpose, I don't think. I think what, the way you set it up was you're just trying to be enthusiastic about it. And the problem, somebody once said that, I forget where I wrote this. I believe I read it today. It might have been on the message board, but it was about in first impression that it's very difficult to take that back. And once you create something and you

put something out there and people get an idea of who you are, it's very difficult for them to correct that and normalize and, know come so you have to be really careful what your initial first thing is and one of the things that we get criticized with is this guy steve novella who's um i don't know some super smart dude some what do you know what what what uh yeah he was uh he's from uh i thought it was yale maybe perhaps yale university he's from? I thought it was Yale, maybe. Perhaps Yale University. He doesn't say, but essentially what he's criticizing is the way that it's marketed, the way that the studies were put out there. Yeah, and I think looking at that criticism, I think in any variety of criticism, I mean, I think you have to just learn and adapt and get better from it.

And I think he, you know, I think he has a very skeptical mindset, which I think in a lot of avenues is very positive, but I think, you know, it can be overdone. He actually runs a few shows called, you know, the skeptic, some skeptic hour or some variety of different things. So he has that kind of framework in mind, but, you know, some of his criticisms are fair, you know, really, and what, you know, taking that criticism and, you know, a lot of criticism from the board that even if it's very negatively put, applying that has helped, I believe, you know, us to become better, at least myself as a person to become better as far as marketing that. And, you know, there's certain areas that you got to shore up and you got to be tighter and you got to be better

and really try and present information so that just people have as much information as possible can make educated decisions i mean the the many people who take alpha brain and have had amazing results you know that is you know that will be evidence for you know for a lot of people to give it a try and you know if they don't like it then uh then they can get their money back and they don't even have to send the bottle back in we'll give you your money back on your first bottle without even sending it in. Some people have. A lot of people have experienced positive results. I personally experience positive results.

I use it every day. I enjoy it. I think it makes a difference. When I don't take it, I feel it. It's not a huge difference, but it's something. It's a clarity. I believe in it 100%. Just like with the Cordyceps mushroom supplement

i work out a lot i eat really healthy i know for the most part what's going on with my body and i feel i can feel differences i know when i'm tired you know because of too much you know not enough sleep too much work whatever i know when things are in sync and when things are in sync and i've taken alpha brain i feel a boost i feel a difference. But other people know other people don't, not only do they not feel something, they get sick. Like I've talked to people online and there's too many of them to ignore it, but they say it made them feel like shit. You know, what is that? There's a certain sensitivity to per se, Serrata, which is creating an acetylcholine boost. And, um, you know, that's something that, that we're addressing in, in

future formulas. It it's not it'll actually make somebody feel potentially and and this is our only you know this is our best estimation of what's happening but it seems like the case when they take too big of a dose uh the acetylcholine levels get too you get basically too high and it causes i tell people take one take one start off with one yeah it's best to be conservative i mean this is with food or without food what do you how do you recommend i like a light meal especially if you're on uh especially Take one. Take one. Start off with one. It's best to be conservative. I mean, this is... With food or without food? How do you recommend it? I like a light meal, especially if you're on taking one.

You know, maybe a very... Not a completely dead, empty stomach. But you should... If you pile it on to a giant cheeseburger, you know, you got so much stuff going on, it's going to be very difficult and it might just get kind of pushed through. Does it enhance its absorption using food? No, it just enhances its tolerability to a certain degree. See, it doesn't bother me at all.

I take it on an empty stomach. Yeah, I do too. I do too. But it's some people that may actually enhance the effects. So until you get kind of comfortable with it, I think definitely best to be conservative and best to take some breaks too. Start with one, see how you feel, and you don't have to take it every day. What percentage of people do you think have an insensitivityivity to it it's a very small very small percentage i mean overwhelmingly the

response has been positive and we get that we get those people all those people you know contact us for for their money back we give them their money back and it's a very very small percent i mean our that rate i would have to say is less than you know one out of every 200 but you know that it is it is definitely a bummer and it's something we want to address, and at least especially by telling people to start conservative with their dosage. And then taking a look at the huperzia serrata, and we actually have some things in mind for the proper balances of huperzia serrata to GPC choline to make sure that those are going to be better tolerated throughout the

future of alpha brain. So, you know, hopefully just like I said, you know, you learn and you try and improve and be the best product for everybody. I think for some people, you know, it won't work. And for some people, they may not, they may have an adverse reaction. But, you know, the overwhelming majority is spoken very positively. And it's, you know, it's great to hear that feedback from the product. he had asked you how it works in improving cognitive function, like what the fuck it does. And you said basically that AlphaBrain is designed to provide the precursors and raw nutrients necessary to raise levels of important neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine, and GABA.

Now, how is that done? What's the mechanism that allows it to raise these levels of these important neurotransmitters? Well, it just depends on which neurotransmitter you're talking about. But if you're talking about acetylcholine, we come at that in two fronts. The GPC choline is one of the raw nutrients involved in the production of acetylcholine. So by providing more of the raw ingredient, it allows the body to produce more. And then huperzi serratus coming at a different angle, that's actually inhibiting the amount of acetylcholine that the body breaks down. So it's providing more acetylcholine from a kind of a different angle by actually creating a

surplus of what you currently have rather than the GPC choline, which is creating more raw material to provide the acetylcholine. And the other neurotransmitters fall more along the lines of the GPC choline, where you're just providing the raw nutrients to allow the body to take the steps to produce those raw nutrients and turn those into the neurotransmitters. And this is actually another thing. This is the foundation of the new mood formula, which is providing, you know, there's four major neurotransmitters as identified by Dr. Braverman. And the other one is serotonin. And 5-HTP is the direct precursor to serotonin. And in the same way in that product, by providing the raw nutrient that the body then converts

into serotonin, you create a surplus of serotonin without having to take any other kind of prescription drugs. And there's actually a cool study on that front to illustrate the point. There's actually been a bit more research on the serotonin effect because of the massive amounts of SSRI and prescription drugs in that field. There's been a good amount of study done on 5-HTP. Dr. Poldinger had a study in 1991 where he compared 5-HTP to fluvoxamine, which is a SSRI. And the study showed that the- What does SSRI stand for, for example? Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. And that's like Zoloft and Prozac.

Yeah. And basically it showed that the 5-htp dosage which was 100 milligrams a few times a day was equal to the fluvoxamine in efficacy but far outpaced it as far as tolerance just because the body was able to go through its natural process and create more of its serotonin. And the study turned out extremely positively. The problem is that there's no patent available on 5-HTP. So everybody can go out and get it. They can buy our product. They can buy anybody else's product and get those similar effects.

I found out about 5-HTP from my friend Neil Brennan. And Neil told me he's on it and he loves it. It makes him feel good. But Neil's also on an antidepressant. Well, his doctor told him to get off the 5-HTP and stay on the antidepressant because he said taking the 5-HTP is like taking a second antidepressant.

So I said to him, I was like, whoa, have you ever thought about just taking the 5-HTP? Is that possible? Because it seems like that might be the better move than to have to get a prescription for some shit. And you can get 5-HTP at a fucking GNC store in the middle of omaha nebraska just show up and get i mean you could be on the road it's not like you're saddled down to a fucking pharmacy and you need to you know have your doctor call in a prescription during business hours yeah well that's annoying dr poldinger study

shows a lot of those ancillary benefits of you know not taking a a prescription drug versus taking the natural drug i mean you can look up the results of the study. Does it have the same effect for everybody? 5-HTP for everybody boosts serotonin? It does. Yeah, it definitely boosts serotonin. I mean, how can you say something for everybody? But in the people studied, in the many studies that they've done,

5-HTP has shown a dramatic improvement in those serotonin-dependent issues. And the new mood is mixed with L-tryptophan as well. Yeah, L-tryptophan. So the chain reaction goes L-tryptophan converts to 5-HTP and then 5-HTP converts to 5-HT, which is actually serotonin. If you ingested pure 5-HT, the body would destroy it and it wouldn't get anywhere. But following it through the chain, the body's able to do that, especially with the help of vitamin B6, pyridoxine.

It's able to kind of complete that chain reaction of L-tryptophan to becoming 5-HTP to becoming serotonin. So New Mood is pretty unique in that it has both L-tryptophan and 5-HTP, as well as the catalyst vitamin B6. So while I'd love to study this in the future, the theory behind it being that we're creating both a more immediate transition between the 5-HTP to 5-HT and then a longer term transition between the L-tryptophan to the 5-HTP to the 5-HT. So kind of providing a further spectrum along the chain. And then we also combine it with a bunch of anxiolytic herbs, herbs that kind of relax

you and help you help with insomnia. One of our herbs, valerian, actually has a similar study. The study done by Dr. Poldinger is comparing it to an over-the-counter, not an over-the-counter, a prescription drug called oxopasm, which is in the same category of a benzo. It's a benzo. It's the same category as Xanax. And it compared valerian to oxopasm with the similar results to the 5-HTP study, being that valerian had the same anxiolytic insomnia-reducing effects, but without the negative side effects of that. So that's another powerful herb in the combination and a few others as well,

just to kind of ease your body into a state of relaxation and positive neurotransmitter boosting fundamentals. Homeboy had another question, and this was the same dude, this James M. McGline. I think he had a really good point about he's saying that your claim is that alpha brain enhances memory focus, mental speed, and mental drive. And he said, can we rename mental drive to motivation? First of all, you know,

mental drive is like, God, how subjective is that? Like who can say what's a, you know, how you're driven. I mean, even if it gives you like clarity,

does it actually drive you, you know, sort of, right. Right. Um, so he's saying, would you say that those four are all of what alpha brain is supposed to do?

Is there other effects of which you want your product to claim? Okay, then I'd like to hear them as well. All right, now he's kind of being nitpicky. Well, the dream effect is something that a lot of our, you know, the takers really enjoy. And that's caused by, you know, I think I mentioned this in the last time, but that's caused by acetylcholine being the regulator of the REM state. So with more acetylcholine, the regulator of the REM state. So with more acetylcholine,

you have a deeper and broader REM state and REM being the dream state, you're able to access longer periods of that dreaming unconsciousness for, you know, so to speak, and also have more of a chance of, you know, turning those dreams lucid because of the breadth of the dream state that you're in and also waking up during one of those states in which you will remember your dreams a lot better than if you wake up during one of the really deep slow wave non dreaming sleeps this is theoretical or is this actually been proven you could as far as waking up during REM sleep they've proven the dreams happen during REM stay right that's what I mean yeah and they've proven that when you wake up during an REM sleep you're more likely

to remember your dreams than when you wake up during slow wave. And how does acetylcholine play into that though? Well, it's just, that's kind of, your cycles are regulated by, by the brain unconsciously as it goes through. And acetylcholine is, they found one of the triggers for actually triggering the, you know, slow wave versus REM versus, you know, interphase one or two, whatever that is. Acetylcholine is the trigger that actually triggers the length of REM sleep that you have. So if you have more acetylcholine available, it's going to trigger a longer and deeper REM sleep.

So should you take AlphaBrain at night to enhance your sleep? Does that make sense? Or is that bullshit? Because a lot of people say it makes them buzzy. Yeah, I wouldn't take it at night i don't think you need to take it at night i think if you take it during the day your levels are still going to be enhanced for for quite a while so i i don't like to take it at night the latest i'll take it would be around three four o'clock because there is a kind of a stimulatory

effect from the acetylcholine as well and rem is not the deepest you know part of your sleep it's actually one of the lighter parts it's not so it you know, I do like to take it a little bit earlier. I still get that dream kind of the wild dream boost where I'm, you know, like the other night where I was pulling a hammerhead shark out of a swimming pool and doing a variety of different crazy things. I still get that boost taking it early in the day. And I think a lot of people will as well. But I would recommend that more than anything. And then taking something like the New Mood, you would take that at night to kind of relax you and still make sure you're getting the most out of the restorative parts of your sleep as well.

To me, it seems like my dreams aren't so cool when I'm tired, when I'm really beat down. I've been doing a lot of traveling. They don't hit me with this big, really bizarre, realistic style of dreams. But when I'm really well-rested and I'm taking the Alphabrine, that's when I notice the really freaky fucking dreams. That's when they're so durable. Like in the middle of the dream, you wake up knowing that you're in the dream and somehow you stay in the dream.

I definitely find that more when I'm well rested when i'm healthy sure you know i guess then you know you're you're calmer i guess i don't know what it is when you're when you're drawn that is needy when you're sleeping yeah your body might be pushing you into more deeper restorative kind of physically restorative sleep when you're in that kind of run-down state in which case you aren't having even with the alpha brain present you aren't having that kind of length of rem and breadth of rem sleep so one of the things this guy's saying is uh sometimes just as uh something i do know via my own studies in neuroscience the vast majority of people do not have a particular deficiency in acetylcholine dopamine or gaba well there's you

know there's certainly different theories on that. I mean, I think, uh, in the optimal state of being with perfect diet, perfect sleep, you know, good, good health, good workouts and all of that, probably you're optimally functioning. Um, does that mean that, you know, going above optimal functioning is okay from time to time and actually has some benefit and value? I believe it does. I believe you can, even if you are naturally healthy at a baseline, you know, we're not kind of trying to cover a deficiency. We're not trying to cure a disease. We're trying to give people, you know, a feeling, a boost that can help them, you know, function and maneuver and accomplish their goals, whatever varied they may be. So,

you know, I think that, A, I do think that a lot of people are a little bit run down. And I know, I rely on Dr. Braverman of the brain Princeton brain bio lab he did a lot of work there and he's doing a lot of active work now as the basis for kind of my thinking on this but he did a bunch of tests on me and I'm a fairly healthy dude I eat well and I do my best to stay in shape but all of my levels of neurotransmitters were actually depressed below and and before before I went to see him I'd been doing a little you know doing a little partying he was in New York so I saw some buddies in New York, went out to the bars. And, you know, it made sense to me that my neurotransmitters were functioning at a lower

level at that point, because I could feel it. I was kind of cloudy, kind of groggy. And he pointed to that in all of the myriad tests he did. We did tests over five days, blood tests and different cognitive tests and different things and found that. And I think a lot of people operate on that, you know, just by the lifestyles that they live, operating in this state where they're under a lot of stress and they're under a lot of, you know, different, you know, different things like caffeine and alcohol and these things that are causing adrenaline and different functionality to happen so that there are more people who have at least temporary deficiencies in a lot of these neurotransmitters. And then

for the people who don't, getting this extra boost might just be a little bit over the top. Well, how many people actually get it actually tested? I get uncomfortable when someone says that the majority of people don't have a particular deficiency in acetylcholine. The majority of people aren't tested for acetylcholine deficiencies. No, definitely not. And a lot of people, if you talk to them... Or anything. The majority of people aren't tested for fucking vitamin B.

Yeah, totally. How many people get blood work to check their vitamin levels? How many people... Very few. Very few. And actually with vitamin... Isn't that the only way to tell? It is.

And actually with vitamin D, they're finding massive deficiencies when they're actually doing large scale testing on that. So this is bullshit. It is very hard to tell. So someone saying that, that's a bullshit thing to say. Right. Right.

I mean, but there are certainly a lot of healthy people and they may have adequate levels, but it still doesn't invalidate the point of having an alpha brain. I still do think that you can feel even better. I mean, these are nutrients that are going to drive you in a certain direction. So there's kind of both sides of the coin there, I guess, depending on how you look at it. And here's the subtle yet cunty last question that he has. I'm curious as to why it took so long to answer this question, given that you answered questions before and I asked this one,

before I asked this one and questions after, when it should be the easiest question for you to answer. That's a cunty question, sir. That belays, that exposes your cunty nature. That is, and his fucking photo of, who is that guy, what's that guy's name? The author. No, he looks like Ben Stiller.

Sam something or other. Letters to a Christian Nation. What the fuck's the guy's name? I don't know. But he's got an intellectual. You know, I certainly appreciate all the challenges that people have. I think it's good to think about all these things. As much criticism as I get personally and as Onnit gets,

I think ultimately if you take kind of you know what you may call the crunchiness out of it there's there's this kind of like real reflection on yourself that you can take a gaze at it's like fighters who you know either you either train with people who all love you and care about you you go with savages that want to kill you and you know take your head off well you'll learn more from the savages you know you'll learn how to you'll learn different things about yourself, holes in your game and weaknesses. So I think actually even talking to you, it's not an easy thing to learn, but learning to just take the meat of the criticism

and try and not take the barbs of it, so to speak. Right. Well, it's hard. I know you kind of created a lot of what the website is, but I go to the website and there's certain stuff I look at. I'll go, this is a little fucking market-y. You know what I mean? I will. We'll go over it.

We'll go over it. Because I don't personally think it needs to be that way. I think the product stands on its own, and I think the subject is very interesting. And what I always tell people on the program is just look into nootropics. I mean, this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you address some of the shit that's been said and let people know there's no evidence whatsoever that any of this stuff is dangerous, right? No.

What happened to roll on and roll off? Well, it's been kind of become a new mood. A new mood has taken over the rollover and it's become a better product. That's another part, the partying aspect. People don't really like it. Those are the origins of this experiment. People, for whatever reason, have a...

You can't be a serious person. So rollover is pretty much the Shroom Tech new mood. And then what's roll-on now? Anything? Roll-on kind of got divided into two aspects. It was trying to do too many things at once. So the Shroom Tech sport provides that kind of energy element. And then the shroom tech immune provides the health element that was

missed that was the second component so that's kind of been divided into two right the real problem is um a lot of people automatically assume that people are full of shit and uh when you have anything that they can criticize anything any any weakness in the link that they can point to and go, oh, he sells fucking alpha nails. Hey, let me see your nails. He doesn't have alpha nails on. It's totally normal. I mean, come on, man. Alpha nails is like a Saturday Night Live sketch.

Well, you know how that developed. A lot of fighters wear nail polish. A lot of fighters wear nail polish. And one of my best friends is Roger fighters and yeah and i'm one of my best friends is roger warts and we were talking about it and all of these fighters still have to go to that sally jensen aisle in the supermarket and buy those dainty little nail polishes they don't really need nail polish they don't but but they but they can do it so they do that's if they're fancy that's that's it well there are some benefits

some of the fighters say that you know they put it on their toes because if they've been stomped in the toe and their nail is going to fall off it'll hide that potential damage some people just say it and you know i don't know there's a few practical reasons also that there prevents chipping and kind of uh your nail from breaking coming apart and heavy really well it's kind of like putting a coat of glue over the top of your yeah. Yeah, I think that's why Frank Trigg started using it. They used to call him Twinkle Toes Trigg because he would paint up his nails to protect them. To protect them, yeah, that's it.

They could use clear coat, but they don't use clear coat. They use paint because why the fuck not? Because they're fighters and anybody who says that they're gay or not. But it's something that we kind of developed as a different alternative for that but it you know it's funny people will you know people get pretty pretty serious about uh about you know criticizing here's some variety here's some beautiful dopiness right here this is just cuntiness this guy's talking about uh alpha

brain he goes if you're under 35 and you take it you're effectively throwing your perfectly balanced neurotransmitter levels out of balance hmm i wonder if that's in capital the reason why some people say it makes them sick or it doesn't work ugh just the sick typical business tactics that virtually everyone in the industry uses like you dumb fuck are you not listening to any of this you fucking shithead there's some people it can benefit, stupid. And if you don't like it, you don't have to focus on it. If it's not your thing, you don't have to get into it. But people are looking for something to point a finger on.

There's a lot of people out there that are looking to be empowered by criticizing. Be empowered by pointing a finger. If you don't like it, don't buy it, stupid. And if you're under 35 and you take it, oh, because you've done extensive studies, you know, the exact time when people need it, stupid. And if you're under 35 and you take it. Oh, because you've done extensive studies? You know, the exact time when people need it? Shut up, stupid.

You're just being a cunt. Yeah, I was well under 35 when I was studied and certainly not a large candidate for it. And I was shown to be deficient in a variety of these neurotransmitters. And I promise I was as healthy or healthier than a good amount of people. Will we ever see Onnit in stores? Yeah, absolutely. We're working on it. I'm trying to get my dad Onnit. Yeah, we're just still working on see Onnit in stores? Yeah, absolutely. We're working on it.

I'm trying to get my dad Onnit. Yeah, we'll just sell it to him. We'll send it to him, man. I said sell it to him. I meant send it to him. We'll sell it to him. Let's sell it to your dad. Get your dad's money, bro.

He needs to keep on going rogue again, Gary. Daddy, just come up with the money, bro. Come on, daddy. There'll always be the advantage of buying it directly from us because we'll be able to honor that money-back guarantee. It'll be up to the stores if you buy it in the stores but um you need to get that on amazon man amazon's just so easy nowadays and just like with food items on any of the grocery items you can have it so it sets every month just to automatically send you certain items like i

do with coconut water and stuff like that it's so nice it's like gifts every show i'm sorry what brian is that you are you there and stuff like that. It's so nice. It's like, it gifts every, Joe, I'm sorry. What, Brian? Is that you? Are you there? Anyway. What do you want to talk about?

Nothing. Okay, good. I got a fucking, I got a message board filled with idiots. This, why I think barring other comedians' jokes on stage is okay. I should pink this guy just because it's so fucking stupid.

Either he's trolling. First of all, I know this will be controversial, but hear me out. I think it's okay to borrow other comedians' material because stand-up comedy is a performance art. He does it in all caps. Why is it when idiots want to make a point and they think it's profound, they put it in all caps? Oh, it's a performance art. Shut up,

stupid. It's a stealing joke. It's that simple. He's got a thing about Dennis Leary, about talking about how great Dennis Leary is. I could hardly handle your message board anymore. I could hardly handle Twitter anymore. Some guy on Twitter the other day asked my girlfriend if she would like to be kidnapped and raped for a couple days. Well, what do you think, bro? You put it out there in the podcast.

What do you expect? No, no, no. This is a guy that doesn't know about me or anything. this is just a creepy guy because he does it to a lot of girls and you look at his twitter you look at his twitter and he's just like this angry like man what if i you know maybe he's waiting for a chick to say yeah come come fucking rape the shit out of me son i almost i almost want to like wouldn't be cool to like have like your own internet like like it's a friend friends list of your internet. So like everything is.

Well, that's sort of what it is on Twitter. When you block somebody, you find shitheads, you block them. That's sort of what it is with the message board. When shitheads pop up, you block them. But what bothers me, man, is just the numbers on the message board are so great at this point. It's gotten to such a crazy point where there's over 6 million posts on this fucking board. Or 5,798,000. That's crazy.

That's so many people. It's so hard to keep track of everybody. It's so hard to... What you've got to do is just weed out the cunts. When you find weeds in your grass, just pull them out and pluck them. But there's so many of them, and there's so many trolls.

There's so many people that are just doing it for reactions even my friends like Anon he just he trolls all the time and I just look at the arguments that he presents and they're just so ridiculous

but then he'll be in a fucking 30 page argument you know 30 pages of people biting his troll and then he it's so stupid

if you're in on it it's great it's a waste sort of but it's a it's a massive waste maybe we should have a no troll zone where you're not on it, it's great. It's a waste, sort of, but it's a massive waste. Maybe we should have a no troll zone where you're not allowed to troll. But it's also an intelligence test to a lot of people.

Because some trolls are so fucking obvious, when people are jumping on them, you're like, God, really? Like the one with the guy who just talked about comedians stealing. Either he's an idiot or that's a successful troll. He got us to talk about it. People love that for whatever fucking reason. All these dingbats out there love just getting someone's reaction. Ha! I win! You responded! I guess I win!

What a weird way to win. Just be a massively annoying cunt until someone calls you out on it and then you go, Pwned! What is that ridiculous game you're playing where it's impossible for you to lose all you have to do is just be really annoying until someone calls you on it and then you're a winner like what talk about setting the bar low man i mean is that like the lowest bar ever all you have to do is be as enough of a shithead that somebody points it out and then you're a winner everybody's gonna have to be their own fucking

name soon that's gonna fix everything that's one of the things with twitter that somebody pointed out that's a really good point i said most people on twitter it's you know i look at your fucking name boom there's your name you know most people have you know joshua blah blah blah they have their fucking name on their twitter page somehow facebook just added my fucking phone number on i didn't eat i didn't put my phone number on my facebook and the other day somebody's like why do you have your real phone like real phone number on your facebook page i'm like are you fucking serious and it's like my app or my iphone must have done it or something wow you might want to check that shit man because i didn't do it and yeah i don't have my phone on anything right That's ridiculous, though.

And then this Twitter shit, the location, it's set to default on the other day. And I'm like, great. I just told everybody where I live. Yeah. Remember I got hacked? My Twitter got hacked

and they were saying something about join a contest and win an iPad 2. They got Lady Gaga. Oh, really? Lady Gaga sent out a tweet to like 100 million people, whoever the fuck she's got on her Twitter page, about an iPad 2. Wow. Because apparently Lady Gaga does her own Twitter,

and everybody likes to know that, which I do too. I'm not comparing myself to Lady Gaga. No one can compare to you, Joe. No one can compare to Gaga. They can do that somehow or another. They get into your account. I don't know what you have to do, but there must be some legal way they're doing it

because it can't be as simple as they get your password because they don't seem to be sending a bunch of other shit out with it. It's just this one tweet that keeps repeating about sign up for an iPad 2. That seems to be the one that everybody gets ganked with. Well, that's a money thing. They probably just have the most machines pointed at hacking. How do they do that?

How are they getting your... Password generators probably just running full time. See the password generators? You click on a link and you're not logged in and you log in by mistake. Someone hits you with a keystroke tracker or some other more devious virus like that. But usually it's just kind of password generators.

That's why having complicated passwords are important. Are those that common, keystroke generators? Like, is that what happens? Like, say if someone, if you get a virus, what will happen is like if you go to somewhere and use a credit card, it'll like store that information. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it records everything you do. Kind of like that droid shit. IQ client, whatever it was. Yeah. Have you seen that shit? No. They found out there was some sort of a, what is it, IQ client? Is that what it is?

IQ client. There was a program they found running in the background of droids that was storing every single stroke that you made, every number that you dialed, single stroke that you made every number that you dialed every word that you send a text message and sending it to a database somewhere that's no good yeah and there's some giant class action lawsuit man it's nuts man yeah you gotta be uh you gotta watch out for these different things as technology expands but i don't know it's difficult to fight yeah except you have to at least be in it a little i was talking to my

sister yesterday because she's like, should I get an iPhone? I'm like, yes, just get an iPhone. They're like, well, T-Mobile is saying I can have this free MyTouch 3G or whatever. I'm like, seriously, get off of T-Mobile, go to Verizon, get an iPhone or whatever. She's like, are you sure?

And then she's asking me these other questions about technology. Some people love droids, though. Yeah, yeah, I know. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah. But she was asking me these other questions of technology around her house. And she goes, how much would I have to pay just to get Wi-Fi in my house? Is it like $70, $80?

I'm like, what? And she's like, she thought you had to pay $80 a month just for Wi-Fi. And so I had to explain to her how no, Wi-Fi is just a box that hooks up to your internet that you already have. So for, what, 10 years? She hasn't had Wi-Fi because she thought box that hooks up to your internet that you already have. And then you can use it. So for, what, 10 years? She hasn't had Wi-Fi because she thought it was like $70 a month. Why didn't she ask somebody? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know, man. That's just a thing on your sister. I don't think you could use that. No, I mean, but there's a lot of people that are like that, that refuse. Technologically. Yeah, refuse to. Yeah. And my sister's younger than me.

I'm like, you should be more of a computer nerd than me. Yeah. You're totally out of it. She has a smartphone. She's still on a flip phone. Wow. And it's just like, come on. You're a younger girl.

Well, some people, they don't want any more distractions in their life. They don't want to be able to watch TV on their phone. Right. For some people, it's porn. Some dudes have a problem with porn on their phone. I was reading about this. Guys have fucking gigs of porn on their phone. Esther has porn on her phone.

Really? Yeah, she used to. Sometimes it's grosser when it's a girl, especially a little one like Esther. Just thinking about her, just shoving things in there. So as we bring this fucking odd podcast home, we never really did figure out a way to fix this situation. We flirted with it, but we didn't drive at all.

We danced around it. We gave it the date that's looking around for another person to take care of it. Yeah, well, I think the number one thing that's going to happen is some of the people that are in power have to slowly die off. They have to get old and pass on. And then the young people have to move into a position of power where they kind of grow up with the internet and they grow up with a better understanding of how they're perceived

and how the world works and how things don't have to be as greedy and fucked up and corrupt as they are halliburton didn't have to make that much money enron didn't have to make that much money you know so much of what happened didn't have to happen so much of the money that changed changed hands and you know so much of the money that changed changed hands and you know so much of the transactions that transpired they weren't necessary like it got too crazy yeah you know and i think the upcoming generations will see that that will be historical i think we're seeing it now and i think that you know this this talk of the return of quetzalcoatl the new type of man that's gonna change things i think really what that may be is just the movement and i think

we're all part of that that kind of new person that's arriving, that new consciousness that's creating itself. And I think there will be leaders that will emerge from that movement, but the movement itself is what's key. And I think all of us who are, you know, playing our part, kind of expanding, you know, what we're open to and our beliefs and both riding that balance between skepticism and an open mind, you know, have to be, you have to have both and you have to have, have that kind of truth seeking aspect of yourself to go, you know, find the ways between that Scylla and Charybdis of, of the skepticism and the, you know, too open and naivete and, and find where the truth lies. And I think that's, that's going to be the key, key trait of what what we need to do here going forward and that's going to create the movement that will inspire the leaders

hopefully i just hope it stays together in some form i hope we don't have to rebuild civilization because that would fucking suck because i live around too many dummies you know there's just too many dummies out there to just rely on the people that are at hand right now and have some sort of an even vote and have everything work right yeah it's just we're not prepared but like little children tossed into the woods yeah right yeah well we're not prepared to be running shit god damn it kids keep it together to a certain extent people gradual would be gradual would be better than severe yes we don't we don't need anything fucking. But the more we do preemptively, like the more you go out there and push aggressively now, the better that's going to be. If we just kind of let things happen, that snowball comes crashing hard.

But if we're out there pushing now like we're doing here on the podcast, playing our small part, everybody else playing their small part, open their consciousness, open their friend's consciousness, and find that truth, then hopefully it'll fall a little less hard when it actually comes to crash. Listen, Aubrey, you got a lot of haters on my message board. One of the reasons is because you changed your fucking name to Aubrey. The other is because you're a little bit too handsome, and dudes don't like that. It makes them uncomfortable. Then there's the marketing stuff, but people always ask me, why am I involved with you? Why am I involved with this?

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