The Joe Rogan Experience - #1679 - Adam Curry

Episode Date: July 6, 2021

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast.

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day joe rogan the podfather you are the podfather there can be only one joe rogan uh since you recertified me as the podfather, my life has been so enriched. Since March of 2020, you have given me just an incredible new lease on professional life. That's awesome. Well, I didn't have to recertify you. Everybody knows. You're the original.

Yeah. Without you, there are no podcasts. But, you know, there are a lot of podcast listeners who are on the scene now, and they're too young to even. This is 18 years ago when podcasting was first developed. 18 years ago. So crazy. So they know it maybe from Serial 2016 or so. Wow.

We're 11 years. This show's in the neighborhood. It's getting close to 11 years old. It's like 10 and a half years old. But you, like, 18 years 18 years yeah that's crazy yeah and and the way it's evolved has been pretty interesting it is interesting right it's like the way it's evolving on youtube is very bizarre like because there's folks that um up until fairly recently only did their show on youtube and now I think some of those folks are starting to branch out

and they're doing them on other platforms as well. Well, you know why? With the censorship. Of course. Yeah, it's kind of spooky. And, you know, people think that, well, you have to do something to combat misinformation. And, you know, we were talking the other day about Yuval Noah Haradi, the author who wrote Sapiens.

He had a segment on his Instagram where he was talking about misinformation on the internet and about how when books first came out, the most popular books weren't books on Galileo. No, it was gossip. Gossip crap. Well, he was saying that it was about witches and how to spot witches. Right, right, right. And then countless people were killed because people were convinced that these how to spot witches books were good. So they were going around trying to spot witches and kill them.

And so this was at the invention of the printing press. This was like one of the first early uses of it. I had not heard that, but when he said it, it was like, bing. Oh, of course. Have you seen the Great, the Catherine the Great series? No. And I think a lot of it may actually be historically true, although it's completely a comedy. Like, you know, she apparently had sex with her horse, and there's some historical evidence of that.

Yeah, supposedly did, right? Did she die having sex with the horse? Did the horse fall on her or something? You know, that's possible. There's another series coming out, so it hasn't happened yet. Series two is coming. Did I spoil it? But according to the Netflix series,

she brought the printing press into the country and then they started printing gossip stuff, which people like a lot more than anything else. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, and I think that still holds true. Oh, for sure.

Absolutely. Now, do you consider YouTube, you don't consider a podcast, do you? I mean, it's kind of a podcast. It's the same thing, right? I mean, this podcast for the longest time was on YouTube and it's still on YouTube in clip form. But I mean, what is the difference between like what we do and, you know, maybe with a, like Tim pool, does he have.

What? Sorry. What? History.com says this is, this is all misinformation. People like talking shit about her. Oh, and what, what, uh, what source is telling me I'm full of shit. History.com. Oh, well, of course.

No, no, no, no, no. You're not full of shit. I'm full of shit. Cause I said, well, of course. No, no, no, no, no. With a name like history.com. You're not full of shit. I'm full of shit because I said that she died fucking a horse. That's just people talking trash about her? Yeah, it's like the vilified her. Oh, well, there it is. There's the words on the screen. It must be true.

She had become a vilified representative of the, how do you say that word? Ancien? Ancien? I can't even read without my glasses. A-N-C-I-E-N. Maybe it's supposed to be ancient. I just forgot the T. Oh, maybe.

So that kind of discredits the authenticity. Unless that's a word. Maybe. Because ancient is a word, like a name. Asia. Yeah. The same kind of pornographic libels that had been used against Marie Antoinette were ready to be deployed against her.

Revolutionary press has happily poured out the same kind of polemic prose that depicted Catherine as prey to her voracious sexual appetite. Woo! British presses. You know what? I had heard that that was the same with someone sent me something about Elizabeth Bathory. Do you know who she was?

No. Elizabeth Bathory was, she was supposedly this very evil woman who murdered a lot of young women. And she was a royal. And that she, yeah. See, it says serial killer. But what this guy said to me, because apparently, well, the story was that she would find these young peasant women and murder them. And she would bathe in their blood in an attempt to try to regain her youth.

And to get the adrenochrome. Yeah, something like that. Right. So they found out that she had done this. And then because she was a royal, she wasn't killed. She was just sort of locked in a tower for the rest of her life. And she died under house arrest. But someone sent me a link to a story because we were talking about on the podcast

I forget which friend of mine sent it to me where was disputing that and saying that she was framed thus to steal her land Because she was a woman and this woman owned large swaths of land as a royal and they wanted to take over her land and the way they could take over her land was to say that she was a murderer and that she had been murdering young peasants and they framed her with this crime the older i get the more i realize how much history that i've learned or have read is could likely be completely full of shit that could be there's always multiple ways of viewing a situation historically. I think it's kind of in our brain, the idea that you can see something,

I can see the same thing, and we interpret that differently, and I think that's truth, and you think that's something else's truth. For sure. And whoever writes the history literally writes the history. Yeah. So that you can look at it after World War II. We got to write the history. It's a little more complex, you can look at it after World War II, you know, we got to write the history.

It's a little more complex, all the things that happened in Europe and with Russia. Yeah. You know, there's lots of ways of looking at it. So, I don't know. I mean, think about the, okay, let's think about the history of, first of all, before I want to get into the history of Julian Assange, but is that true? About Elizabeth Baffin? I was just digging through the Wikipedia honor.

It's around the time of like Hungary, Transylvania. So this sounds like vampire time period. She's been credited with somewhere in the range of 650 deaths. There was a lot of witnesses in the trial, but there was a theory about what you're saying. And then someone's trying to counter it. And that's what I was reading through right now. Yeah. I don't know if this guy, what the guy said.

The other thing is people love, even if a story is true, people love stories that point that it might not be true. That's even more exciting than the- It's human nature. Like, oh, you think that's the true story, but I know the true, true story. This is what fuels Twitter. Yeah. And most of social media.

Yeah. Totally. By the way, I've noticed, I was just thinking this morning, Twitter is actually incredibly racist. Twitter the way, I've noticed, I was just thinking this morning, Twitter is actually incredibly racist. Twitter the machine. How so? So I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. So I get Bitcoin Twitter.

I get it in my feed. But, you know, I do a show with Mo, Mo Facts. I follow different black Americans. But I don't get black Twitter. It doesn't give me all the stuff. I mean, I get all the Bitcoin stuff just by following a few people. I don't get black Twitter. It doesn't give me all the stuff. I mean, I get all the Bitcoin stuff just by following a few people. I don't get it. And I never see anything. I never see different languages. I never see anything from Asia. So it's making decisions there that I think are inherently bigoted. But don't you have to follow people

to get their feed? I know. So I follow a couple of people that I would consider in black Twitter, and I just don't get the stuff in my feed. From them, a little bit, but they're not really giving me the full fire hose. It's like no matter what I try to do to train the algo, it's very difficult. I get a pretty decent feed of it. I see it. I follow you, so how come I don't get any of it? I don't retweet stuff. I'm just looking.

I don't really actively participate. I don't want to add into the algorithm, kind of. That's almost why. Yeah, well, that's the game. It's like, I want to add to the algorithm to find out some stuff, but I just don't get it. It won't come to me. Twitter is a problem.

It's just... To put it lightly. It's great in many ways. There's many good things about it. It's a great way to get information. It's a great way to find out about revolutions that are happening all around the world and disasters and all kinds of other things. But it's also a very poor way to communicate.

And when you're trying to get out complex, nuanced thoughts in 240 characters or 280 characters, whatever it is, it's just not an effective way to do that. Maybe it's a good writing exercise. It's good for comics who just want to tweet out a quick one line or a joke. And would-be comics, which apparently everybody is. Well, there's some pretty funny people. But a lot of it is, I'm going to see if I can say something funny. Yes, yeah.

There's some funny people that just don't happen to be professional comedians, but they're very smart and very funny. And it works for them. But it's just as a method of communication it's just it's so it's so much poorer so much shittier than this than talking which is why even the new york times had to admit you are too big to cancel this i didn't read that oh my god oh my. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. That was a weird title, but. Of course it is a weird title, but that just shows you.

Because it all comes from the same places. All the stuff is heated up everywhere on Twitter, Facebook to some degree. But Twitter, I think, really is where it all stems from. And, you know, you've got blue checks who are journalists. And it's just, it's a very, it's a cesspool I wonder if anybody's done a pie chart of like negative to positive or a graph of negative to positive tweets like tweets that are in that are arguments versus tweets that are like positive and uplifting Twitter has all that they know exactly what's going on well I bet it would be overwhelmingly negative I bet

it's more in the neighborhood of like 60%. Except they would see that as sticky. Sticky. They wouldn't say that's negative shit. They'd say, that's sticky. Why would they say that's sticky? Because people stay on their platform. They're sticky on the platform. Oh, I see.

We can do more with them. Like the algorithms, yeah. Well, but the longer you're on the platform, the more money they make. I don't know where the censorship is going. You know, the censorship disturbs the shit out of me because there was political censorship that was very clear and they made a decision during the election to not release any of the Hunter Biden stuff. So they censored the New York Post, which is really crazy because the New York Post is an enormous newspaper. It's been around for how many years? Hundreds, right?

At least 80. Yeah, maybe 100. I think it's more than 100 years old. I think, maybe I don't remember. It's old. It's been around longer than the internet. Holy crap. 200 years old.

Okay, so it's been around forever and it was a real story. And they decided that real story could cost Joe Biden the election. They wanted Joe Biden to win the election, so they decided they will not air that story. And so if you put that story in your tweets, they deleted it. If you put it on Facebook, they deleted it. They made a mass censorship decision that would favor the Democratic Party which is really weird it's real weird because it's why it's not why do you see it as weird if you know that people who are running these companies and i'm not talking about jack dorsey but there's a board just you know there's

a lot of money involved and uh you know there's antitrust as government is involved with them trying to fuck with them so this is give and take what there's a lot of things you know silicon valley has spends outside of pharma probably the most money on lobbying in dc um and i think there's also a little bit of grandiose hide there you know it's like uh we're fucking twitter we'll do what we think is right and that's what all of this canceling is or censorship is. Well, that's not right. You can't say that it came from a lab. That's not right. Because here are the people who said it's it's technocrats. Yeah, it's a technocratic society. And it's coming from Silicon Valley all over government everywhere, really. Yeah, it's just so it was so obvious.

That's what was disturbing, because it was such, it was like trying to steal something in broad daylight. And everyone's like, hey, are you just stealing? Are you just stealing from this store? Maybe that's not the best example. But you're doing something that, there's no good argument for censorship. It's never been a good thing.

Even worse than that, today, as long as it's under $950, you can go into a walmart and steal all you want so there's some some lessons here well you see what's happening in san francisco they're being forced to close down all the Walgreens are closing yeah which is just so insane that these fucking politicians think that that's a viable strategy for they think that somehow or another like here's this the they were thinking, listen, we're putting people in jail that just want to feed themselves or something. Like, let's not put them in jail. But what you don't understand is by saying that and publicizing it, you're literally encouraging people to steal things under $900.

So you saw the video of the guy in San Francisco, he goes in a store with a bike. So he rides a bike into the store with a garbage bag, grabs stuff off the shelf, fills the garbage bag and rides the bike out the door. And they literally can do nothing about it. I saw the same thing happen myself. I was in the CVS on the corner of East Riverside and Pleasant Valley. It was maybe 10 at night. I was picking something up.

There's one guy at the cash register. And it's just people from the homeless camp on the median there just coming in with their bikes, just taking taking stuff walking right out It's crazy, and I look at the guys like You know I'm not I can't do anything I'm not supposed to do anything not supposed to do anything about people stealing and there's a security guard in the in the video there He's right right well. They don't even have that here Yeah, Zuby had a really good post this morning like a twin like a 20-parter about all the things that

Really social media is a big part of, but how people will often choose, obviously, security over some liberty, how they would rather be, they'd rather have a little bit of, they'd rather not take a chance and be accepted by the group. I mean, these are all very human behaviors. And even without social media's direct intervention, the Internet has really created a beautiful place for propagandists to go to work. And it's really, really sophisticated, some of this stuff. And we don't even know. You don't catch most of it. But so much is being propagandized by corporations mainly, but also just look at the reporting.

If we can just touch the third rail, January 6th, this is being rammed down our throats as an insurrection, the most dangerous thing that's ever happened since the Civil War. That's our president who said that. I mean, I have eyes. I saw some of it. You know, we haven't seen the 10,000 hours of video that's available. But to say that that was a violent insurrection on par with the Civil War or the worst since 9-11 and we need a 9-11 type commission. I mean, I'm not blind. I watched it live.

I saw a lot of what was going on it just doesn't seem like there's a truth there between what most would say as well we're just walking in between the lines no more happened than that but a violent and it killed five people no you know three people died of natural causes they were protesters right didn't yeah the protesters died they had heart attacks because it's probably the most exciting moment of their life Yeah, and it happens you get a big group of people together. You know someone's gonna gonna bite the bullet You know the incessant lying about the one Capitol Hill police officer that he was killed, but he died of a Of a stroke later that night, you know, he wasn't killed by a fire extinguisher

Yeah, they said said they beat him to death yeah that just wasn't true but that just keeps being repeated and it just becomes lore becomes the truth so he after a while but he likely died because of the stress caused by that well that that isn't being reported like that so yeah that it's the report was he got bashed in the head with a fire extinguisher the thing that bothered me the most that I didn't hear much Discussion at all that we've talked about a few times on here is the cops opening up the gates Like what the fuck was that and taking selfies with people like the mag 11 cops Mm-hmm

I thought it would be a good idea to open the gates and I'll let the protesters through but again We've only seen what we've seen what has been presented to us. So don't everyone has an agenda we don't really know what you know every angle like i'm in the studio and i saw your studio and like i had no idea what it would really look like because i'm just seeing a little piece of it right and now i'm here i'm like oh okay here's the reality of what it really looks like it's a very very different type of situation um but we're we've this place where... Now, I'm a conspiracy therapist, right? So I look at all different sides. So there's one angle that must be discussed, and I think we're the guys to talk about, at least with you is the right place. the right place. This could have been something similar to the Reichstag fire in Weimar, Germany,

which kicked off kind of the whole Nazi socialist party by burning down the government building. They blamed it on these other groups. And, you know, then all of a sudden you've got some political power. There's definitely superficial evidence that shows that there may have been people who were instigators, agent provocateurs, who were, A, you know, leading the charge and that there may have been some cooperation on the other side just to get people in, just to get this whole thing going, just to really create this idea that if you take it to its logical conclusion that 70 million Americans are potentially domestic violent extremists, can be flipped in a heartbeat, you got to keep your eye on them, and they're typically white and they're typically Republicans. That's what this has been

turned into. Where's the evidence that shows that there was agent provocateurs or that there was some sort of manipulation? Well, the FBI says that they did have confidential informants at the event. They've admitted that. Don't they have confidential informants everywhere? I think Jamie's a confidential informant. Well, Jamie's your CIA handler. We all know that. Come on.

Give me a break. He's my CIA handler? What all know that. Come on. Give me a break. What's happening next month, Jamie? What are we doing next month for the company? I'm waiting for my... Pickle Factory hasn't set the information yet. Well, we know that agent provocateurs are a real thing. And we know that they exist throughout history. It would be logical to assume

that they're in action today. And that they are manipulating events. One thing to consider is i think that the capitol hill it correct me if i'm wrong i think i'm right that was the that was what led them to remove trump from twitter correct yes yeah so that's important like you need a thing to happen to remove trump from Twitter because Trump on Twitter he can do a lot of things well I think I don't know if that was the main reason but that was a part of it there's a lot politically and everything's politics as

far as I'm concerned politically it was very very powerful because this has just been positioned and reinforced as a violent insurrection right and. And the video evidence just shows otherwise. Yeah, there's some people ramming at gates, but all the stuff that we've heard about, all the scary stuff, there's really no evidence of it. It may be on the videotape, but we haven't seen it.

Right, but they did go into an area where they're told not to go into. They went en masse. There's a storm of people that went in there. It could have turned violent. One lady was shot by a police officer. There was this threat that they were taking over the Capitol building. That is an insurrection, right? How do you label that? We just moved, my former neighbor, his wife is an undercover detective, Austin Police, and also worked Capitol Hill Police for many, many years.

And so I had an opportunity to say, you know, after January 6th, what the hell? And it was made very clear to me, if they've shot people throughout history, go look how many people were shot and killed by Capitol Hill police in the Capitol building for just doing crazy shit. It's been bombed before. It's literal bombs in the Capitol. So this has happened. These guys don't mess around. If you are doing something that is really dangerous, they shoot to kill right away. No questions asked.

They are badass. So that didn't happen. And, of course, my neighbor didn't say well that was that was a false flag and i'm not saying that but it's kind of odd that well obviously it wasn't bad enough for them to shoot on sight or they had orders not to do that because that is what they do is that really the only conclusion though because there were so many people and so few security guards once they got past the cops on the outside... Capitol Hill police is not the same as security guards. Well, who was the guy? There was a video

of this one guy telling people to stay back and that they're running up the stairs. And he is trying to get away from them. Have you seen that? So there was, I don't know how many people, but a swarm of people and one security guard with one gun. What does he have, 20 rounds if he's lucky?

I mean, how many, what's his magazine hold? I mean, he's really fucked. He's not going to shoot those guys off. And if he does shoot them, he has no idea if they're armed. He doesn't know what's going on. I don't know if they had enough police officers to stop these people from doing what they're doing. Well, that is also very questionable. Why?

Why? If you know something's coming, they had informants, they knew that people were coming, so you're just not going to staff it up? I mean, there's questions about that. They didn't think it was dangerous, right? But it doesn't matter.

The story has been written. It will be completely reinforced. These people, this group of people, tried to overthrow our democracy. That's what it is. They tried to destroy our democracy. Our democracy what it is. They tried to destroy our democracy. Our democracy has never been in so much peril before. First of all, we're a republic, but it's like, no, that's just not true. Ranked choice voting is probably more detrimental to

democracy than what happened on January 6th. You follow New York, where they've changed the way you vote? How so? So instead of votes for mayor or candidate, instead of just voting, I want this guy or this gal to be the mayor, you do number one pick,

number two, number three, number four, number five, you go down the line. And the last person's votes get removed and they get redistributed

amongst the rest, but not number one, I think. What? Yes. They still haven't figured out exactly who the winner is. Wait a minute.

Ranked choice voting. That is so crazy. So you don't just vote for one person? You vote for its rank. So you have choice number one, and we'll have Eric Adams can't make it. I would like Andrew Yang. If Andrew Yang can't make it, I want this guy. That's how it works?

Yes. In fact, I think that if we had ranked choice voting for the general election, which I believe is what the Democrats would like it to be, that's part of what House Bill 1 is or HR 1, is to have ranked choice voting for the general election. If that had happened in a previous election, we would have Elizabeth Warren as our president, probably. You get mediocre people I think with that system. Wow. It's not really a one person one vote. It's one person five votes. So here it is. New York

City voters will be using the new rank choice voting system for the June past party primary elections for mayor, comptroller, a public advocate, borough president and city council. Voters will be able to rank up to five candidates in order of preference, and ranked choice voting eliminates the runoff elections

that used to occur in some states for citywide offices. So they kind of do a runoff built into the election. So if there's no one with more than 50%, which is very, very common in your typical election, then they start to move it around and move the votes from the loser to the second, third, and fourth choice. And also you can game it that way. So if you absolutely hate Eric Adams, then you're going to put your favorites in a different position, knowing that when the loser loses their votes your person will move up maybe

from three to two I mean it's it's it's mathematics that I don't completely understand but I know that they have don't have results it's still a problem still don't have the results I don't think so no well so why did they switch to this control oh my god so nobody voted for this this is obviously not no one said hey what a great idea. The election committee, the same people who messed up the previous runoff with the, was it the senatorial race? Yeah. Yeah. One person, five votes. I don't know, something like that. This is not comfortable. No, it's not. This is not good. I don't like seeing that. But we're the best country

in the world to go through this. We really are. Look at what we get to do right now. We get to criticize it, talk about it. That's true. We got to look at it. We can go out on. We still can. And other countries just can't do that.

You'll be shut down. And look at the platforms. Man, there's a lot of people that I don't think that the mainstream media, the mainstream media, even Twitter is really for politicians. It's for their input. They're just taking that in and regurgitating it. Meanwhile, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, you know, Brett Weinstein, the No Agenda Show. You just keep going on and on and on. These are millions and millions of millions of people who are tuned out from a whole message and they're tuning into other things, maybe thinking for themselves, of course, being influenced, but at least there's diversity. It's not just the news that is telling us the way

it is so that we only get the one side of Catherine the Great and not the other. Well, this is why it's so dangerous when someone like YouTube or Twitter or someone just decides to do site-wide censorship on a particular issue. Yeah, but we're the idiots. But we're not. We are? In some ways. Like, here's a good example.

The lab leak theory. If you had the lab leak theory on Facebook a year ago, you'd get banned. Your posts get deleted. You cannot have that theory because that theory is not in line with either the CDC or the WHO. Now, it's the primary theory. Now, most scientists who've looked at the evidence objectively since Trump is no longer in office, it's been now seven months, their heart rate has dropped down enough and their anxiety has reached levels where they can actually look at the science.

And, you know, Jon Stewart's rant did wonders for that. That rant was fantastic. I personally believe that something happened. Something happened. All of a sudden we had this mask mandate removed within a second, like next day. And people were caught off guard. Schools were freaking out.

What do we do? We're not ready. You didn't prepare us. And the CDC has been very good at prepping everybody, all the institutions. They get the pre-news. We're going to do this. It's coming out. You hear a thing.

Oh, tomorrow, CDC is making announcement. None of that. It just happened. It switched. I'm still not sure exactly why, but that went away overnight. And then all of a sudden we got all these other things. We have ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine stories bubbling up. But this example, the bat versus the lab, that just all of a sudden based upon a story written by a former New York, actually it was a little

worse than that. The story was, turns out three people tested or were sick who were working in the lab. And that's why now the lab theory is in play. That of course is bullshit because if, if we had a story that, oh, three people got sick in the lab, that means it must come from the lab. Everyone would criticize it and say, no way, that's not possible. Your conspiracy theory is full of shit. But there, like a former New York Times columnist who's in his, I think, his 70s now, he went through the whole thing and said, look, here's the absolute proof that we have to at least look at this. There's more evidence here than there is for the bat or the pangolin. And maybe there's a book or some stuff is coming out

and opinions are changing. And I think it's related to the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, all I see is marketing. I just see fucking marketing everywhere. So when this changed, and I know Jon Stewart. I know him back from before the Comedy Central, MTV Beach House, I think he was sent in to soften the blow. I really critically look at what he and Colbert did together, and they have worked together a lot, and Colbert is a great actor. I really think that Colbert was not surprised.

He knew that it was coming, Jon Stewart had had a message and He delivered it and it softened the blow. So you think that Jon Stewart is involved in a conspiracy to release the information In a funny way so that people accept it more. Well, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy I well someone conspired they Jon Stewart is very involved in in politics. You know, he's Also a stand-up comic, though. Well, okay, so maybe it was a joke. 100% was a routine, and he's been doing stand-up comedy. He's back on the road. Well, I don't know if he's on the road, but he definitely performed with Dave. He was with Chappelle at one of Dave's Yellow Springs, Ohio shows. But did he promote that

when he came on The Colbert Show? Well, this is post he promote that when he came on the Colbert show? Well, this is post that. What did he come on the Colbert show for? I don't know what he's promoting. Nothing. Are you sure? I don't think he was just there to talk about this. I don't know that.

Well, we could find that out. But the point is he had been doing standup. And if he was going to do, he was going to gonna burn some material you know that that would be a good piece of material to burn because it's you know it's not going to be relevant very much longer it was very funny it was very funny but Colbert this is where I disagree with you Colbert clearly was trying to hamstring that he was trying to stop that routine well if there's any evidence I'd like to hear it he was fucking up a comedic bit. See, Colbert is a brilliant comedic actor, as Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central and The Daily Show.

I loved him as that character, but I do not particularly like how he handled that with Jon Stewart, because he was getting in the way of a bit, which is something a comic never does. See, I didn't pick up on that. As a comic. Colbert is not a comic in that he does he does a monologue routine you know but he's not hitting the road doing stand-up talking shit and but I think he's an actor not just a comedic actor he's a really good actor and he's done a lot he does creepy stuff he's done some really good roles. I've never seen any of his stuff other than that character.

And I think that character is brilliant, especially the way he used to do it before he took over as a talk show host. Now he's like a different guy. Now he's like a very social justice warrior-y. We can agree on one thing. one thing that that that that um interaction between john stewart and steven colbert softened the entire news the the delivery of it oh okay oh well shit you know these guys say it's okay whether that was intentional set up or not i think it made a big difference people oh i can accept this now i think it's just john stewart pointing out the obvious in a very funny way. He's like, are you out of your fucking mind? This is a lab in Wuhan that measures coronaviruses, that does work with them, that actually juices them up, gain-of-function research.

They're there in the place where it broke out. And everyone's saying, well, no, it probably came from a pangolin. So he goes on this long comedic rant about how, of course, this is probably what happened. Like the idea of this natural spillover is stupid. So he's just doing stand up. Okay. That's my take on it. I mean, this is what we talked about just a couple minutes ago.

Yeah. I see something. You see the same thing. This is my take. That's your take. I'm totally willing to believe yours too, obviously. Because the end result is the same thing. This is my take. That's your take. I'm totally willing to believe yours too, obviously. Because the end result is the same. I cannot imagine a world where

Jon Stewart agrees with Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart get together and go, Stewart goes, look, I wrote this incredible bit because I was contacted by the powers that be and they want to soften the blow of the live leak thing so they want me to do a comedic bit. So I've created this comedic

bit. The problem with that theory is it's Occam's razor, right? What's the most live leak thing so they want me to do a comedic bit so i've created this comedic bit like the the problem with that theory is it's occam's razor right what's the most obvious scenario the most obvious scenario is look this is comedy just writing itself you have a coronavirus research lab a level four lab in the very city where this disease breaks out that's a coronavirus this was being said a year and a half ago and it was foreboding territory yes so why was this because trump's not in office anymore because trump being out of office for seven months how does the media in particular and politicians recover from um the media in particular ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

are shit because trump said so hydroxychloroquine yes how do they recover how do they ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are shit because trump said so well hydroxychloroquine yes how do they remember how do they remember ivermectin did not get discussed by trump as far as i understand a couple times yeah did he a couple times sure but it wasn't the big one like hydroxychloroquine was a big one he's like it's basically a miracle it's a miracle but it it's not as effective as ivermectin according to these studies that have been and there's quite a few studies and people like where's the suppression there's all these studies being done on ivermectin look scientists do science scientific studies are always going to take place particularly um when there's a drug that is not just a viable drug for as an

anti-parasitic it's been used for over 40 years it has a very high efficacy rate for river blindness and it's it's a great drug and the guy who created it won a Nobel Prize YouTube removed his video I know this this is the very guy who won the Nobel Prize for ivermectin YouTube removed a video of him discussing it, which is just crazy to think that some tech nerd from Silicon Valley has the insight. The world doesn't need to hear this. The world shouldn't have access to this information. That's insanity.

That, to me, is very creepy that someone at YouTube made that decision. That you're going to take this man who won the Nobel Prize for ivermectin and he's got this video. I don't know the content of the video. Do you know the content of the video that they removed? I've seen many different videos of him. But this is him discussing ivermectin and it was removed. The same with the inventor of the mRNA technology. Yes. He's also been removed.

Yes. It's insanity. Peter McCullough, Dr. McCullough, he testified in Senate about ivermectin and YouTube took down his Senate testimonial. Same thing as Dr. Pierre Corey. Same exact thing. Great episode, by the way, with Corey and Brett. It was fantastic. Those guys treated hundreds, if not thousands,

of COVID patients and had extremely positive results using this one particular drug, ivermectin. I think that the problem with... So the media is... It was really easy for the media. Anything Trump says, and if you go look up ivermectin, the first thing you see is horse dewormer. Ha, ha, ha. He's telling us all to eat horse deworming paste. Hydroxychloroquine. Ha, ha, ha. Aquarium cleaner.

All of these, they totally distorted the truth. That was very obvious. So now. But hold on a second. The reason why they did that is because it is a horse dewormer. And hydroxychloroquine does clean pools or – Well, it's different versions. It's a different version.

Very different versions. But because of that, it's not like aspirin, right? Aspirin is like people take aspirin for a headache. Here it is. I think ivermectin actually is close to aspirin. But look, I'm not a doctor. All I'm trying to point out is that the media had its role there by ridiculing and mocking. So that suppressed any information about any alternative drugs.

But the pharmaceutical industry, they make no money on this. This is a generic drug. It's pennies. It's pennies to produce or less than that. And it is my belief that we'll see a similar situation where either hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or we'll start seeing maybe another Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert bit. And then we'll have Merck come out with the pill. And the pill will be a new version of one of these existing drugs with the compound just twisted a little bit so they can patent it well that would be the best case scenario

right Pfizer is doing the same they're also working on a pill so yeah it would be the best case scenario but Merck's pill that they are working on of Brett Weinstein actually discussed and I don't know if he did it live I don't think so he sent me some information on it but they have a similar thing. Right. But it's different because they can patent it. There was a lot of greed at play here. And the thing that still-

No. The thing that still kind of gets me- The pharmaceutical companies, we need to understand they are 100% altruistic and they always have been. Okay? Now go on. They've placed us in a biosecurity state as far as I'm concerned. But it's the idea that everybody all of a sudden is trusting the pharmaceutical industry is hilarious. Not me, brother.

Not me. No, not you. I mean, when I was seven, we moved to the Netherlands and I had to have all kinds of vaccinations. And that's when my Tourette's started. Now, I don't know if it's literally from that. I mean, no one knew it at the time. My dad has had some ticks later in life. So maybe it was in me genetically and that was just going to come out.

So I've always been a little bit wary of vaccines in general, but my last ones were 2003. I went to Iraq, so the military puts yellow fever or whatever in you. But we had this global shutdown. We had COVID. Trump is on his way to probably sweeping the election. And whatever happens, whether you look at Event 201 and was this a pandemic? It doesn't really matter. Fact is, the whole world was shut down.

And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Trump says, Operation Warp Speed, bitches, we're going to have this shit in your arm by the end of the year, which is, I mean, that would have been the most insane thing. Vaccines take four, five, six, seven, maybe 10 years to develop. But no, and we have new technology. I think it's possible. And again, conspiracy therapists, that this whole idea of the Great Reset, if you just look at the World Economic Forum with this asshole Klaus Schwab is prognosticating and how many big – the global banking system really, they wanted some kind of shutdown. And the shutdown would make all small businesses irrelevant. So even the – how it was named, like you're an essential worker. Well, who was the essential worker?

Fast food, big box. Not small restaurants, not small retailers, not your butcher, et cetera. And you'd think it was bad here. It's been horrible in other countries. Let me stop you there because fast food didn't differ from small restaurants and their ability to serve takeout. Small restaurants close. But they serve takeout.

They still serve takeout. They close for, no, in Austin, they close for several weeks. Everyone was closed for several weeks except for fast food. But do you think that that's a conspiracy or that was a decision made locally? Because in California, there was a decision made locally because in california there was a period of time i think when things shut down but then they all i know most of the restaurants were allowed to serve takeout they were allowed to serve to go did it it hurt everybody for sure it hurt them it hurt for sure it hurt a lot of a lot of business it was a i just view it

as a as a first strike why could you not why could you Why could you go to McDonald's and why could you not go there or you had to only do takeout in that manner? People weren't handing it to you, they're putting it in the back of your car. All kinds of different rules and certainly just regular stuff. You could go to Target, Walmart, those were kind of the big ones. You couldn't really go anywhere else. And we don't have the, in Europe, not everyone has a big box store. You know, there's one in a certain location. So a lot of people would go there. I'm just looking at what the World Economic Forum publishes on their own website. And they talk about the great reset. And this reset will eventually take us into protecting the Earth from climate change. But we first have to lock down and get ready for whatever comes our way. And I have my own personal theory is that Trump maybe saw this. I mean, when the shutdown came, there was no news of a vaccine.

It was shut down. Vaccines could take four or five years. I think he went to Pfizer, most likely, and said, you got some experimental shit. Let's push it real hard. Will it work? Will it have adverse events? Maybe 5%, 10%, maybe 30% of people will die. Better than the whole world being shut down by a bunch of bankers who just want to control us. 30% of the people dying. If you had a shitty vaccine. It turned out it wasn't.

It was a good vaccine. Has there ever been anything remotely like that where 30% of the people who took it died? Has there ever been a vaccine developed in under a year? Yeah, but it really had been technology that had been in play for a long time. They just had never implemented it, right? Hello?

mRNA vaccines. Long-term studies? No, there's none of that. Right, but MRNA vaccines are something that they had developed for quite a few years. Yes, for a long time, as a gene therapy, individualized. And in 2008, I think, there was a big conference put on by, I think, Goldman Sachs, and all the medical companies were there. And I just started No Agenda, so I was researching. And they had PowerPoint slides and everything on the website.

And all you saw was the future is vaccines because we're giving people medication before they're sick. And you get them on a program. You get them on a schedule. And if you recall, around 2008, 2009, that time frame, there were vaccines coming out against smoking. There would be a vaccine against cocaine abuse. Oh, yeah. None of it panned out. But that was kind of the promise of the mRNA technology.

We can change your DNA. I'm saying things I have no business talking about. But you can change something so then all of a sudden you don't desire cocaine. Right. Or you can remove that addictive feature. And that's when I started paying attention. It's like, you know, there's something going on. And the mRNA, I mean, to roll that out, and you can look at many scientists and doctors who will say, that's not a one size fits all solution. That is meant to be completely tailored for Joe Rogan. We're going to change something in your body that you know needs fixing or whatever not just it's good for everybody that and and i think even the

the inventor of the technology says it's not intended for this purpose does it is the dose dependent upon the size of your body uh i don't know because i I was thinking this, like, when they're doing the vaccines, like, if you're a 300-pound man or you're a 90-pound 16-year-old, do they have the same dose? I have no idea. I have no idea. But we can't step over the fact that this has never been done before at a scale of this magnitude. And if I just look at Pfizer, they even changed their logo to look more like a DNA strand instead of the boner pill.

They went through a whole— They used to look like a boner pill? Yeah, like Viagra. That was their main thing, right? Yeah, that's what they're known for. And they licensed the technology in order to create this. But those guys, they're paying people on TikTok. It's called Team Halo to promote the vaccine.

It's been promoted everywhere. And I think they're behind some of the discreditation of the Johnson & Johnson. I mean, if you look at whatever information is available, as many people have had blood clots with every single vaccine, but Johnson & Johnson was the one that got singled out and shut down, and their competitor, coincidentally. Are you aware of the...

Hold on a second. It's not dose-dependent. Oh, wow. So it's not a dose-response relationship. It's about finding the perfect dose for the immune system to get the right amount of stimulation. For most vaccines, it's pretty much one size fits all. Wow. So is that one size fits all for children? For children and large people?

Pregnant people, everybody. One size fits all. It just seems a little... Yeah, we don't know, man. And everyone says we really don't know long-term efficacy or long-term effects we just don't know yeah and that's no one can argue with that we just don't know no one can argue that and then when i have not had people take a hundred plus million doses and study them over x amount of years it hasn't happened before. If you look at, man, so many horrible medical accidents have happened in the past where everyone just believed the pharmaceutical industry. We own the FDA. This needs to be reengineered.

All of these things need to be reengineered. And I think, like I was saying with social media and YouTube, we're kind of the dickheads. We need to walk away. You know, if you don't like what's happening, either vote someone else in or stop buying the product. Well, the thing with the pandemic, everybody wanted it all to be over, right?

Everything was locked down. Everybody wanted it all to be over. And what's the best way for it to be over? Well, just take the vaccine and then, you know. I know, but that by itself is so miraculous that that came together in mere months and just saying, well, it just happened to be ready. No, I don't think it was ready. I don't think anyone, and that's why it's still emergency use authorization. And we just don't know. Now, is the, at this point you have to say, well,

what is more dangerous, you know, getting COVID and risk dying or some adverse event from a vaccine that is still under emergency use authorization, hasn't been tested very long? And you can look at a million different numbers and make a decision there. But it was definitely out of the ordinary. And I can't imagine any other reason for anyone to say, let's do this. We didn't even know much about COVID. We're still learning stuff about it. Like that it might have come from a lab. We're learning that now.

If you knew that then, wouldn't the vaccines maybe be tailored to that? Or we say, hey, China, give me some of that shit you made in the lab so we can tailor our mRNA vaccine to it. None of that. It stinks. It stinks. It stinks. Jamie went, huh. I don't know if that's good or bad. AstraZeneca vaccine has brought in $275 million

in sales so far this year. This is as of the first three months just in Europe. Oh, but it's a lot more than that. Look at Pfizer. That's only 4% of their revenue for the quarter. You know, I mean, you can just wait. It's like, you know, with SSRIs, you know, anti-depression stuff that Pfizer makes a lot of that too.

The side effects are tardive dyskinesia, which is restless leg syndrome. And some of it actually looks a little bit like Tourette's and tics. and some of it actually looks a little bit like Tourette's and ticks, but you can also get your libido completely goes away. I like how you say that, libido. Is it libido? Yeah. It's the Dutch in it, libido.

Well, in the old country, Joe, we speak of libido. That sounds cool always. I got some libido pointing your direction. So they literally sell the thing that makes you less or maybe impotent. They sell the antidote. They sell you the boner pill at the same time. I mean, this is a great. Is that how they do it?

Well, I don't think they do it. Here's your antidepressant. Here's your Viagra. I've heard people say that I agree even if you have a like an erection that People that have that I know that have been on it. They have a hard time reaching orgasm. I Don't know. I don't know. I just know that people are prescribed even women are prescribed Who are on antidepressants are just prescribed by? Mm-hmm. Yeah Hmm prescribed Viagra. Viagra? Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hmm.

Interesting. Dude, I do applied kinesiology. I got my voodoo doctor. I try to stay far away from all of this stuff. I think my immune system's good. I get shocked at really intelligent people that just want to take pills for everything that happens to them.

Everything. Like, they feel bad. They want anxiety pills. They want this, they want that. I have a friend. He's very, very smart, and he's and he's on like five or six different things xanax is a big one man yeah he's on that too and i'm saying i'm like why you know like this is really hard to get off because you know the jordan peterson thing opened my eyes to it and then dr karl hart bennies yeah the benny shit that'll that'll fuck you up benzodiazepine or Xanax. Very dangerous. Well, the true bennies,

like what the pilots would take, they call it little yellow footballs where you can fall asleep right away, sleep for three hours, get up and start flying again. Air Force did a lot of that. Those are benzos as well? Yeah, yeah.

But you can get pretty addicted to that very easily because you're like, hey, I'll just take one to go to sleep and I'm tired now and I'm doing coke. I take another one dr hart was explaining on the podcast that they they're one of the rare things that literally kills you if you get off of them the wrong way whereas um uh like a lot of drugs when you get off them you just feel terrible like he said he the way dr carl hart described heroin you get off of heroin he he said, it's like a flu. It's like a shitty, terrible feeling but you get through it and you're fine.

He's like, alcohol will kill you. If you get off alcohol, if you have an addiction to alcohol and you get off of it, your body will break down. Same thing with benzos. There's a very small number of things where your body becomes so addicted to them that

getting off of them is fatal, which is crazy. Sucks ass. And so many people I know take them for anxiety. We are, of course, one of the two countries in the entire world that allows pharmaceutical industry to advertise direct to consumer on television and say, ask your doctor. Dude. Dude.

Dude. Yeah. It's Austin, New Zealand, right? Yeah. Which is weird, because New Zealand is so fucking, I mean, they're so independent. Yeah, but it's just for sheep over there. I don't know. Well, there's a lot of sheep over there.

By the way, you're going to see this now. You probably want to get your pets vaccinated. Oh, my God. Is that really coming? Of course. That's the last push that Pfizer has. Let's get it in their damn pets. Dogs and cats can catch COVID from their owners.

They've done the studies and I'm seeing vaccinate your pet popping up here and there. Did you see the Salk Institute released a study on the spike protein? Yeah. Yeah. The Salk Institute reduced a study on the detrimental effects of the spike protein and related to COVID so that the spike protein itself is causing a deterioration, I believe, of blood vessels, right? That's what they described it. That it breaks the blood-brain barrier and it's supposed to stay in the muscle, I think, but it's going everywhere. That's what they say.

Well, this is about COVID itself. Oh, okay. okay oh the covet spike pro spike protein no the the question is is the same thing apply to the vaccine and i think their brett weinstein had uh an examination of their press release or their their what they published versus what they amended they amended some aspect of it to try to make it seem a little bit more palatable or something like that. I don't know what they amended,

but the point being that these vaccines produce spike proteins, and the Salk Institute is saying that spike proteins cause a deterioration of the blood vessels. I think the thought is

that the vaccines produce it only locally and that it doesn't get everywhere. Whereas if you have COVID, it goes through your entire body. This is, I think, the hope. Novel coronavirus spike protein plays additional role in the illness. Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease, which is really interesting. Yeah. This information was out there in 2020 as well, I can recall.

But even the fact that two smart guys like you and I can't really have a coherent story that we consider to be the truth. Just shows that, well, I put us pretty high on saying smart guys. I'm sorry. But, you know, shouldn't we know more? Shouldn't it just be kind of established? Well, it's not. So we just don't really know everything. And, you know, we're to some degree the world hopefully is learning that, hey, you know, you've got to learn to assess risk, your own personal risk.

We do lots of things that are risky. We do things that are risky that we don't know about. We talked about this in March 2020. Where are the people telling us how to beef up your immune system? Right. That's a real problem because there's no money in that. It's not just a problem. It's criminal.

It's fucking criminal. It is. The government didn't the no one none of the uh surgeon general was just like get it for your pop pop you know it wasn't even nothing none of it yeah you were providing more information than the entire governments of the world about your fucking immune system that was scary because i would have thought that someone in the government would have said hey hey, you know, it's not hard to tell people that what we need is vitamin D and exercise. Oh, they did. And the algos pushed that down because it wasn't the message.

It just wasn't the message. I'm very skeptical about all, even, you know, back to Colbert and Jon Stewart, not to rehash it, but, I mean, it's the CBS broadcasting network. I mean, I come from a family of military and spooks. Shit is everywhere. I mean, everywhere there's all kinds of, it's information war. I give Alex Jones that 100%. I've always been jealous of info wars because that's what we're living in. It's truly information war. And this has been waged on us going back to the sixties. There was a funny thing where Brian Stelter was on CNN comparing Tucker Carlson to Alex Jones. I saw that this morning. And they were showing things that Tucker Carlson said versus things that Alex Jones said.

And they were like, are these guys? He said it in such a funny, dismissive way. He's like, are they bros? Are they exchanging information? But what he didn't show by doing this by pointing out the two things that Alex Jones talked about and Tucker Carlson talked about the both both men were saying things that are logical mm-hmm they're both saying what you said earlier like there was most likely agent provocateurs that at least had some part in

that January 6th invasion of Capitol Hill. Like that's not an outrageous thing to say. So just by connecting him to Alex Jones, he's trying to dismiss Tucker Carlson. But what he's not dismissing is the actual veracity of the statements. He's not. Of course not. But the things that he's not of course not but the things that he's saying aren't that outrageous like let's what are what were the things that they pointed out see if you could find that but there's a there's a clip that's online it was all about

january 6th it wasn't it was several things but those things were not outrageous it's not like uh you know there's gender dimensional child molesters And they're coming through your window in the middle of that you do such a good fucking Alex Jones. I know the guy forever I need like a jingle you know Alex Jones Adam curry jingle from you just so I can do it I actually play Alex Jones in Sturgill Simpson's album Sturgill Simpson's and his most recent album. There's The opening segment a guy gets in the car and he's spinning through the radio dials trying to find something to listen to and there's Alex Jones ranting and raving about the Illuminati and that's me Really? Yeah. Oh wow

You're good man. That's good. That's good. You got it down. Yeah. Okay. So here it is This is Oliver Darcy is was on this. Is this smokeable? Yeah. You really do. Okay, so here it is. This is Oliver Darcy was on. Is this smokable? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here, so you got a lighter. Let's hear what the things are. All right. Go.

Brace it from the beginning. It's not that I think the government. My God, how old is this? 2011. It is a lie to say there are no risks. There are risks in everything, including in getting the vaccine. No, no, no. Please go back from the beginning. Everybody's got family.

Go back from the beginning. They got killed. No, no, no. We didn't hear the beginning because he said something in the beginning about them spying on him. Because Tucker Carlson is saying the government's spying on him, and then Alex Jones from a long time ago was saying that they're spying on him. So listen to this. It's not that I think the government spies on me. It's admitted that they do.

It is a lie to say there are no risks. There are risks in everything, including in getting a vaccine. Everybody's got family that got killed or got sick from a vaccine. So FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol on January 6th, according to government documents. It is overwhelming the evidence that criminal elements of the federal government provocateur and staged January 6th. Okay, pause. So that what he just showed, none of that is outrageous. First of all, from edward snowden that the nsa has been monitoring emails and everything so that's fact well it's it's a little different they collect

everything and then when they need it they go in and get it exactly but the idea that they're not monitoring alex jones is insane right of course So whether or not they're monitoring Tucker Carlson, I don't know. I don't know. But we know that they have the ability to do so. Edward Snowden exposed this. This is truth, right? They've admitted it. This is why he's living in Russia now, right? This is why he's on the run. So there's that. Then Tuckerlson said that there's some risk to the vaccines there is a risk to every medication that people take it's a relatively small risk like if 170 million people have been vaccinated if it was just one percent died we would have up a million seven hundred thousand deaths from the vaccine that's. And it's not the case.

So it's a very small risk relatively. I don't know. But hold on. There's no numbers I can look at. But hold on. So that's true. So what he said is true. He didn't say that it's a terrible thing.

Don't get it. No. It's killing everybody. It's not what he said. He said there is a risk. Alex Jones says everybody knows someone who's died or who's been hurt by the vaccine i know people that have had strokes i know people that have had adverse reactions that's why the vaers report exists now do i know that they absolutely

got those strokes from the vaccine of course i don't there's a lot of correlation does that mean causation we don't know we don't know what we don't know what he factually said was not But what he said is not outrageous. So he's comparing They're comparing these things in this really weird Disingenuous way to try to make it look like everything that Tucker Carlson saying is insane Because Alex Jones says something as well if Alex Jones says drink water and take vitamins, and I say drink water, take vitamins, am I Alex Jones? What does that mean? The other thing that he said was the Capitol Hill thing. Now, if there are government files, if you could read these government papers that actually do say that there were Asian provocateurs that had something to do with the Capitol Hill attack. to do with the Capitol Hill attack. If Alex Jones says that and Tucker Carlson says that, but yet the fact remains that it's true, who gives a fuck?

And how are they making that connection? That connection is so weird. And the connection is just to try to discredit Tucker Carlson. But that this is your news, that this is coming from America's trusted news source, and that this is the evidence. It's not like he's saying, you know, it's not like this a Pizzagate type thing or, again, interdimensional child molesters or something completely crazy.

What he's saying are things that aren't crazy to say at all. Because he's saying, what Tucker Carlson said in this very small clip, he said, there are some risks, right? Wasn't that the quote, I think? Mm-hmm. And then Alex says, he talks about risks. small clip he said there are some risks right wasn't that the quote i think and then alex says he talks about risks this is not these are not outrageous things to say no but the fact that they've decided to do this and compare them in such a disingenuous way it's really weird that

that is something that the news would want to do well i'm i'm kind of cynical about this, and I have always thought that advertising is equal censorship, and the news is not there to bring you the news. It is to sell advertising. And certainly, Tucker Carlson, for a while while I thought he was really going to get kicked off because what you don't hear, only on Tucker Carlson, I don't know how that happened, is anyone criticizing the pharmaceutical industry, the number one advertiser in all media is the pharmaceutical industry. CNN can't criticize the vaccines because then they're advertising. They get calls.

It's built on advertising. And it's easier to discredit someone because when you say this guy is a horrible person, advertisers run away from that shit. It has no different than Twitter or YouTube. It's not really about political opinions, but political opinions can leverage the advertiser relationship to get someone canceled. That's the mechanism. So this has become so good now.

And, you know, like what are they called? Sleeping Giants and Media Matters and all these types of groups who organize. I mean, I even see it on Podcast Index. I'll get a whole thing. Tim Dillon sucks. You have to get him off. He's a homophobe. He's a racist. He's a transphobe. And then I'll see that, I mean, I even see it on Podcast Index. I'll get a whole thing. Tim Dillon sucks. You have to get him off. He's a homophobe.

He's a racist. He's a transphobe. And then I'll see that, you know, five other guys who have podcasting 2.0 apps, they have the same note. Now, there's no advertising. So we're all like, whatever. Have you, wait a minute, hold on. Have you really seen something that says Tim Dillon's a homophobe?

Oh, yeah. He's gay. I'm just telling, of course. I'm just telling. Do you know how crazy that is are you asking me if the world has gone insane Joe Rogan but the fact that they want to say that Tim Dylan's a homophobe because he makes fun of gay people he is actually gay yeah I didn't know that I don't care but he's openly gay discusses it all the time the point is it's to leverage this is and is, okay, where this all comes from

ultimately, I think, is again, money corrupts. Money is the root of all evil. And right now, we're in a position where the global banking system, which is far removed from even anything you and I can really understand how credit works and how there's $400 trillion worth of paper that surrounds the bond markets. It's all just, it's an illusion. In order to keep the control, we have to utilize this at every single moment. We have to use it as a wedge for everything and all of these companies are nothing more than a part of that system hmm they are the the money flows through everything and it's most of its advertising base all of Silicon Valley is is a hits business instead of caring

what what their users want they want hits so they'll they'll acquire hits. Oh, this YouTuber's great. We're going to hook him up. This podcast is great. We're going to give him $60, $80, $100 million. No offense, but it's hits business. They're buying hits, not doing anything more than that. And if you don't play along, you're going to lose your income overnight. So ESG, have you heard of this?

No. Environmental- I feel like I should have a drink. You want to have a drink? I'd love a drink, especially when they get So ESG, have you heard of this? No. Environmental- I feel like I should have a drink. You want to have a drink? I'd love a drink, especially when they get into ESG. This is too intense. No, but the ESG is fascinating. Bring some glasses in. So ESG, and this is now something that if you want to invest in a company,

they will, on their investor relations page, they'll show you their ESG score. ESG stands for environmental, social, corporate governance. And this is where the woke culture comes from. So they've created this kind of phony baloney rating system that says, well, if you, I'm exaggerating, but if you mentioned that you have a green agenda and you believe in carbon credits and you might trade some credit somewhere, then you get a higher score and therefore you're more investable. And it's very interesting to see how big investors like insurance company, institutional investors, they are steering away from anything that does not have the right ESG rating. And so in order to have investors continue to be interested in the stock, which is important for the company, for its perception, certainly for the officers of the company and the

shareholders, you have to move this along continuously. And so it's very simple to see why doing a woke ad as Nike or as any other company and Pride Month is fantastic because you could, and pride is easy, throw up some flags, show the right people, trans, whatever, and you got a high ESG score. And so this is a control mechanism that is being used throughout all corporations worldwide. And I don't even think it's stoppable. People are just starting to figure out what's going on. That's where all this is coming from. Nike doesn't give a fuck about black people that way. I don't believe it. They care about their stock price. Of course, individually, there's people who care. There's no doubt about it. But it's driven by ESG.

It is the end. So it kind of started with the DEI, the diversity, equity, inclusion, kind of started with the DEI, the diversity, equity, inclusion. That has now moved over to, and you can look it up, SASB, S-A-S-B, that's the board of standards and statistics for corporations. And they have this formula, how you measure your ESG score and if you're really investable. And it's funny because you'll see like Nike has a 75% score Tesla which you think would be really good 38 because you know not woke enough or Elon you know says the wrong things so it's actually harder to invest uh for institution to invest in Tesla because of their low ESG score really huh yeah this is this is some I'm just really learning about this myself how did you find out about this ESG stuff?

Kidneys, brother. Kidneys? You don't remember that joke? No. Holy shit, you're my age. No, what is the joke from? It's an old joke. It's like some moronic kid in school figured it out, and then it's like, hey, how come you're not a moron?

And the moron says, kidneys, kidneys. Oh. What was on that? It doesn't quite work. What was that on? A joke? What was that joke on? That was when I was in third grade. like a joke joke yeah like oh like two jews walking to a bar that kind of a joke yeah only less offensive is that offensive well the joke the jews joke is they buy it

two jews walking to a bar they buy it boom shakalaka yeah it's not. So this ESG stuff is really being utilized to control society, society in general. And Twitter has to adhere to the same thing. And they're using it as a method to maximize profits because people will support companies that are woke because it aligns with their own personal values. So the companies espouse these. I wouldn't say profits. I would say shareholder value. Okay. That's a little different than profit.

Why? What is the difference between profit and shareholder value? So currently, if you are a CEO and you have a board and everyone has stock and all your C-suite people and your important people all have shares, and the way the mechanism works, all right, we have the Federal Reserve and interest rate is at zero. So big companies can go to any bank or literally Federal Reserve is a bank too and say, I need $100 billion and they're going to give it to me for almost 0%. Because what we pay on credit card interest or something, that's not what banks pay. They pay almost nothing. So they get that free money and then they buy back their stock. Buying back their stock makes the price rise.

Everybody who has stock wins. That has been going on for a long time. That's the number one way of getting really rich in a public company. Apple, you know, this was the thing when Trump had his repatriation of the money and also the corporate tax cut. The main thing that was a problem, and I'm not sure how they dealt with it, was, well, you're getting all this, you're bringing this money into the country, or you're getting a tax break. We don't want you just using it to buy your own shares.

Because you buy your own shares, you're only making yourself wealthy off of actually the backs of the American people because we didn't get that tax revenue. And that's the system, how it's worked, and now they're just expanding it into this mythical ESG. And it's based on how green you are, net zero aspirations, reports, wokeness, social justice. And it's also because it's connected to the idea of being a better person. It's so easy to support. Gotta love it, bro. Look at the ads and it's one of the rare times where a corporation will get support from the general public for for sticking

with this because we're good people yeah and we all believe we're good people people i love it i want my my lgbtq lgbtq iap plus just two b's bye bye and by curious that's in there too by curious LGBTQ, LGBTQ, IAP plus. There's Bs? Just two Bs? Bi. Bi and bi-curious. That's in there too? Bi-curious? In my version there is. Is H in there yet? Just overall horny? Can't people just, isn't that pansexual?

Are they in there? I find it so insulting that, you know, it's called the LGBTQ community. It's not a fucking community. It's just as insulting as the black and brown community. Oh, what fucking zip code do I go as insulting as the black and brown community. Oh, what fucking zip code do I go to to meet some black and brown community people? It's really, that to me is offensive. I hate

that. But anyway, so it's so good to have that group. And by the way, the L's don't like the G's. The G's have a problem with the T's. I mean, all this, that's a great Chappelle bit, actually. Right, right, right. Yeah, the alphabet people. He's spot on with that. Spot actually. Right, right, right. The alphabet people. Yeah. He's spot on with that. Spot on.

It's not a community. But anyway, it's being abused just as Black Lives Matter Inc., not Black Lives Matter, the feeling is good people, because we're good people. We don't want racism. We don't want people hurt. We don't want people discriminated against. But we're being used like pawns and saying, oh, well then do this and go here and say yes to this. And then before you know it,

you're kind of stuck in the system where you're afraid to say, that's not okay. And for me, it's as simple as saying, I do not believe in an LGBT community. I believe in people and they do their own thing and they love who they love and do what they want and that's one thing it's not a fucking community that you can put together and say this is what we're doing for them right right and i think trans women are the most abused by corporations now they're using them everywhere in every ad and you know just to just to push and push and push well it's just because it's in vogue, right? So this is something that they latch on to. In vogue or ESG. Yeah, they latch on to.

Of course. What does it stand for again? Environmental Social Corporate Goals. Governance, I'm sorry. Governance. Environmental Social Corporate Governance. How long before there's like a social score for humans? What do you mean?

It's already there. It's called credit karma. All these apps are already it. This is not a real credit score, these apps. They have their own score. It's called the credit karma or whatever you want to call it. It's not a FICO score. It's not from the official FICO company that does your, you know, when you go to buy a house, there's a company that will really see what your credit rating is or two. All these other things are kind of their own little scale. And the way it works is if you sign up to us, your credit rating, which will probably be shit. Let's say you have 600.

Just by signing up, you get an Experian boost, 40 points. You're a good person. You installed the app. You get a Experian boost, 40 points. You're a good person. You installed the app. Now, it's like, well, for every video you stream on Netflix, we're going to give you extra boost.

Really? Yeah, yeah. What hasn't happened yet, which I do expect, if you watch this type of product on Netflix, we'll give you even more boosts. Pay this bill on time, and we're going to up your score. So it's a game. It's a complete game just to get more and more credit.

It's not teaching you to save. It's teaching you how to behave well to get more credit or more higher credit rating. And the same people sell you the loan in the app. This credit that you're getting from this, what is it called again? Credit Karma. Credit Karma. It's an app, and in the initial stage, it's like, okay. But can you buy stuff this way with the credit that you get from this app? They can give you credit.

You can apply for credit based upon your credit score all in the app. And through that credit in the app, you can actually get a real credit card and purchase things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And they own it. Have you heard about this, Chad? And they own it. You know about it? Yeah. app you can actually get a real credit card and purchase things yeah yeah yeah absolutely and they own it you know about it you know about this app and and so what do what do poor people do poor people they get the app because they have shit credit score for whatever how am i not

hearing about this because you're not poor but i would have thought I would have heard of it. I watch a lot of shit TV, my brother. I pay attention to this stuff. So they're roping in people to download this app. Poor people have payday loans. They go to check cashing places. It's a mess. It's very predatory.

This is just the friendly predatory way. When you give you this app, you download the app, and we're going to right away give you a credit line so they're not giving you anything else than an opportunity to borrow money and then you're on the hook and it's gamified like well and you can pay it off of course you know but people don't it's like well maybe if uh it's consolidation you know bring all your credit cards into our app and we'll give you one low fee and we'll consolidate everything. And then it's going to keep giving you opportunities to want to buy stuff.

And Facebook and Twitter and other places on the internet are talking to the Credit Karma people. karma people and you know they're saying well hey you know this guy he could bless you this guy could probably you know Joe could probably buy this brand new phone if we tell him that he can get a little more credit by being a good person paying certain bill bills or other behaviors the Netflix viewing thing is a real is real so the Netflix we think what's what is the motivation there or what is it specific kinds of things you have to watch on Netflix? Not yet. But it's just Netflix period.

If you don't already have Netflix, get Netflix and watch at least one streaming movie a week. It was something like that. So if you get Netflix and watch Stranger Things, your credit rating will go up. Here it is right here. Experian Boost now lets you add on on-time streaming payments to raise your credit score.

The free service helps people improve their credit scores by giving them credit for paying their Netflix bills on time. Credit. But this is paying your bill on time. It's not saying watch a show. Not yet. Not yet. Oh. If you look at the fine print print i think you do have to at

least uh watch something oh okay experiment boost a free feature that helps you improve your credit score but here but here's the bottom bills but here's the bottom line here's the bottom line it says here when you pay your bills on time when you were a good person and you pay your bills on time we're going to give you more credit this This is like your parents saying if you do all your- But isn't that how credit works, period? But it's reverse saving. Young people should be saving money. They should not be going deeper into credit debt.

That's insanity. Right. But I'm saying credit does get raised when you pay your bills on time just across the board, right? Right. But their credit is their own score they have the whole ecosystem they control it all they control it all i'm worried about and they're tied in with merchants it'll be this it'll be through this like what they're doing in china but it will be this china really came through weChat. So, you know, this was the, it's all based upon commerce.

That's really what it is because they want to cut your commerce off or give you opportunity to do more commerce. So the beautiful thing about your setup, the way you do no agenda is that you don't have any kind of advertiser influence, right? So there's no one that can influence you and what you discuss and what you talk about in any way. No, the producers, we call our listeners producers, they totally influence me because if we're not entertaining or informative or whatever it is they don't like, they don't send money or they send less money or lower amounts and then we hurt. Of course. But what I'm saying is you don't have advertisers. No, no, no. That's big.

Well, this is why I started podcasting 2.0 not long after you and I met. And this is it's funny because it turns out Brett Brett's podcast all you needed was a place to put an MP3 file and this weird text file, which was called a feed, an RSS feed. And as long as you had that, anyone with an application or an app who could subscribe and say, okay, you know, this podcast lives over here. I'm going to put that URL into my box. Then you had a direct connection with publisher to end user. Now, as that started to grow, you needed, you know, you got hosting companies, which I'll make it easier for you. And then we got into the situation where, you know, people got tired of saying, you know, where do I find that podcast? So we needed an index or a directory. And the initial directory that we had was called iPodder, I think, at the time. That's what I gave to Apple. And that was an error in a way on my part,

because all of a sudden Apple became the default place to find podcasts. Not necessarily Discover, but, oh, I'm looking for this podcast. Megyn Kelly. Type it in. Boom, it shows up. I don't have to do a Google search and find the podcast page and click on the RSS. Remember that? Click on the orange RSS icon and paste it into your application.

Do you remember any of this? It was completely fucked. I know that it existed. It was complete. And then you got like little icons, which would be Apple or Amazon or a couple others, and that expanded.

And then you had this long list of chiclets of things you would click on to subscribe to the podcast. But Apple, they basically said, we'll be the directory. And they really did,

they became, in effect, what I never intended, the gatekeeper. Because you have to submit to Apple and submit means they're going to look and see if it's OK, whether that's technically or philosophically. And, you know, I don't know how many podcasts never made it through that process. But as it grew and grew and grew, the scale of form over four million podcasts now that we have at podcastindex.org. Apple has 2.3. So there's a lot more that lives outside of the traditional ecosystem than we ever knew about. There is 300 plus million people and 4 million podcasts. That is crazy. Well, I think- How many of them are from other countries? I can get you that information, but I would say the most relevant statistic is that updated in the last 60 days is about 600,000. Or from other countries?

No, no. 600,000 podcasts total have published an episode in the past 60 days of those 4 million. So it may be much smaller. There you go. go here it is so the total podcast index is four million thirty six thousand six hundred and ten shows published in the last three days you got eighty six thousand ten days two hundred forty five thousand thirty days 381 60 days 549 so some of them are inconsistent which is just how it goes when well it's just it's just a lot less publishing or a lot of them could be dead i don't know yeah um but for instance very few french podcasts are in the apple uh in the apple index uh they just a lot of them don't even want to submit to it for so that's french man that's crazy so arrogant i'm telling you

baguette eating motherfuckers so um what's their deal so so here's the problem with the scenario we were at and this really came to me right after i met you in march of 2020 i'm like holy shit you know we've got this whole ecosystem and now we have silicon valley who are coming in and saying this is great a podcast could be a youtube video a podcast can be you know a little thing over here it can be whatever it is, not necessarily tied into that, to that decentralized infrastructure of feeds. So they got into the hits business, you know, buying up some stuff. And now we have Apple, I think I had the foresight, they say, you know what, we don't really care about kind of the open RSS, we'll do subscriptions, come over here, we'll do your hosting, we're going to take 30% of whatever you get, but we're going to make it easy for you to make money, and we'll take our piece.

They're not interested in the hits business. So what we still need for this conversation to happen everywhere is we need an uncancelable ecosystem with uncancelable money, and that's what we put together. ecosystem with uncancellable money. And that's what we put together. So we have podcastindex.org, which is supported by 20 different apps that are all independent. And you can, per minute, pay a podcaster, stream actual money to them in real time from point to point. And it's Bitcoin, it's Satoshi's, from point to point, and no one can stop you. And this is an ultimate backstop. It's an ultimate preservation of freedom of speech, literally, because, you know, podcasts are speech. And we're transforming this whole idea into the next generation of how people will price and pay for entertainment. And that's music.

It's video. It's everything. As podcasts get bigger, there does become this problem where advertisers become a primary, they become a giant part of the system. That's not compatible with podcasting 2.0. Well, it's not compatible with free speech. Exactly. Because there's going to be things that you you're gonna be asked not to discuss right and this is the problem with self-censorship like yeah well there's self-censorship too right and

this is what happens with things like youtube like tim dillon's a good example tim dillon's podcast which is i heard he's gay i heard that too which is uh it's an amazing podcast because he he does it all him most of them. He has blend green was a coin 20 Conference yeah, yeah, I was there He just rants he has his producer Ben who sits next to him and he put sunglasses on and goes onto these fucking wild crazy rants and YouTube demonetize is Somewhere in the neighborhood of half of his podcasts now that if you were a person that wanted to maximize your profit,

you would say, hey, what am I talking about that makes you demonetize me? Well, you know what? Every time you bring up ivermectin, we have a real problem with that, and we'd like you to not bring that up. Okay, that's off the list. I want to make that money. What else? What are the other subjects?

Oh, well, you're talking about censorship and social media, and that makes us look bad. We don't like that. So stop talking shit about YouTube. Okay, okay, we'll clear that off the table. It's really bad. So you have self-censorship. It's really bad for YouTube's overall product because people are self-censoring themselves all the time. It's not, though, because they have such a monopoly.

Oh, yeah, okay. Their monopoly is so massive. Like, if you were the CEO of YouTube, no one can say you're not doing a good job because literally a trained monkey could run YouTube. They're just like, let the money come in, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, like a trained monkey with little thimbles. Yeah. Like, you don't have to be wise to, like, just say these content creators are making

fucking millions of hours of shit every year all you have to do is like let it roll in and slap ads on it that's all you have to do and pick up some hits so if something comes along and this person is you're saying okay we're going to demonetize these we're going to remove ads from these the profits are still extraordinary because there's no competition. What other thing is out there like YouTube? There is no thing out there remotely commensurate with YouTube. I agree. So because of that, you could be like, I could be the CEO of YouTube.

They could call me up once a week and go, what do you want to do about this? Uh, fucking delete it. Do you know what YouTube's biggest problem is? What? Creating inventory. to do about this uh fucking delete it do you know what youtube's biggest problem is what they creating inventory they have so many people who want to advertise so much such volumes they cannot create you can't have five ads in front of a youtube video so that's their biggest problem my point was that you don't have a situation where there's a a comparable platform that does the same kind of numbers but doesn't censor as much and then these shows become more popular there and they earn more money. No, it's not going to happen.

You're looking at it like Coke and Pepsi, right? It's not going to happen. If you look at the numbers of Coke and Pepsi, I don't know who does better or what, but the point being that there's a competition there. There's no competition when it comes to YouTube. It's just YouTube. I mean, you have your Vimeos, you have your, but they're so far beyond,

like what YouTube has been able to do is really extraordinary. I mean, they've figured out the way to make the perfect user platform where user-created content is uploaded as a video and it's just they've it's really kind of nuts if you think about it like if this didn't exist and you said what are the odds that one company is the primary company where you can upload a video you'd be like that's not possible everybody has a phone phones are all making videos it's so easy to set up a little tripod

and put your phone on it and start talking about cars or physical fitness or whatever the fuck you want to talk about. The idea that one company would have a complete monopoly on that, not only that, but do a great job of keeping it from being labeled as a monopoly. I mean, they really are- They're doing a very good job at that. They really are a monopoly, but for no good reason. It's not like they're trying to stop other people from doing it. No. It's just they just have the market cornered.

It's really weird. Isn't it weird? Well, yes, but at the same time, we're just creating these other places. You started the same way where we go and it's not controlled by anybody. You started the same way where we go and it's not controlled by anybody. It's kind of incompatible with the advertising model, which is why, you know, podcasting, they say $1 billion in ad revenue. I don't believe it. I mean, it seems like not, you know, there's no big A-level advertising names in there. It doesn't matter.

95% of people doing a podcast do it not for advertising revenue. They do it just because they want to speak their mind, say what they want to say. A lot of them will, if they use any other platform, even if they're using YouTube, I don't want to monetize because I want to have a longer chance to say what I can say. We're moving away. After, I mean, we had a whole slew of cancel events take place all around the election. And just after that, we saw people in droves going to alternative social networks like Mastodon, the Fediverse. Wait a minute.

I didn't even know about these. Mastodon? Never heard of it. Have you known about Mastodon? Okay. Mastodon is, this has been around for a long time. It's actually, it's a social network that I think was originally known as GNU Chat, G-N-U Chat. Okay. So it's a Linux-based thing? GNU Social. It's not about Linux.

It was Linux software that created it. Yeah. I mean, or open source. I should say, oh, that'd be, Stallman would kill me. It's open source software, really free open source software. And they created this, let's just call it a Twitter clone. Everything Twitter does but without the algorithms built into it. And you can connect through something called the Fediverse. You spell it with a T or a D? D. Federation. The Fediverse, I'm sorry.

And you do that through something called ActivityPub, which is really the system that makes any it really decentralizes everything It's kind of like a peer-to-peer network, and we're not quite and you just you get the information I'll stop you for so a lot like Bitcoin. Yeah, you really are a super dork. I know you're so deep in this so I'm so happy I'm married and my wife loves me and You're so deep, but you know what the problem is problem is And my Tourette's goes crazy I'm trying to communicate Because I see it I know exactly what's happening

It's hard to explain it But basically an open source Twitter That anybody can join And nobody's in control of If you have your own server You determine how much of the Fediverse comes in Or what you don't want And everyone can interact

And this thing has exploded It's just all And people have different versions or what you don't want, and everyone can interact. And this thing has exploded. And people have different versions, ones that are made very much like Instagram. They have ones that work like YouTube. And it all comes down to this ActivityPub protocol that allows you to follow an account no matter what it's doing, no matter what server it's on. Let me see what this looks like, Jeremy. It looks a lot like TweetDeck, which is a cloud of Twitter.

But you can make a change. Yeah, if you just do it to single pane. Just trying to find pictures of it. Go to noagendasocial.com. Oh, wow, there it is right here. So this is Mastodon. Yeah, this looks exactly like TweetDeck. Interesting.

So I run noagendasocial.com for the no agenda. Do you use Twitter still? Yeah, sure. But you use this more? Well, I use Twitter like I use marijuana. It's a recreational drug. Check it out, see what's going on. Noagendasocial.com, you can see it. How many people are on Mastodon?

Well, you don't really know because everyone can have a server, can be anywhere. That's interesting. And does it show how many followers you have? If you're logged in, I don't know, maybe. Access denied. The requested resource requires an authentication. Wow. You have some kind of firewall here that is blocking me.

Is it a blocker? I don't know. Is it the fucking government, man? Try podcastindex.social. Why was I mad? Podcastindex.social. .social, yeah. Interesting.

So this Mastodon, does it show how many followers you have? Yeah, it does. So it does the same kind of things that Twitter does? Go down Discovery. See what's happening? Click on See What's Happening? Yeah. I have no idea what this is. Interesting. So this is how

it works. Yeah. I mean, so if you have an account, then obviously you get a whole different view of everything. So these are people that are more plugged in to the internet in many ways. Well, no. So these are people that are more plugged in to the internet in many ways. Well, no. It's just people who are tired. There's always people looking for the alternative Joe.

Right. Alternative music. Twitter is disco. Mastodon is punk. That's what it is. Okay. People are like, fuck that shit. We're going over to here.

And then it starts to build and people get in arguments and build different versions and then it becomes even more sophisticated and shit falls off. It's an organic beast, man. Right, and like disco, some of it's like the Bee Gees had some pretty good fucking songs. Of course. The Bee Gees undervalued.

I believe the Bee Gees should be up there with the Stones and with the Beatles. I think they totally get, yeah, I think they get screwed on that. The Bee Gees go back and all, they were around, man. Oh, no, I'm a Bee Gees fan. Really? Oh, yeah, I love the Bee Gees go back and all that they were around man oh no I'm a Bee Gees fan really oh yeah I love the Bee Gees yeah I was I was lucky enough to meet all of them before uh Maurice and

Robin passed away it was I mean what an accident prone death family Barry's the one the only one left it's like how lonely is that guy well Andy Gibb uh who wasn't really part of the Bee Gees he was kind of a fourth member. He died, I believe, of an overdose or heart attack, drug-related, something like that. Maurice and Robin, I think, died. Maurice might have died on the operating table. He was having some procedure done. And Robin died of just cancer.

It was a fucked up shit. And Barry's the last guy, and his hair's thinning out, and it's just like, fuck. Poor Barry. Do you remember when he did that thing with Barbra Streisand at her Malibu home? No. That whole album.

She was doing all this stuff, and then I was a kid back then. I loved Diana Ross and all this things around, and I loved watching those concerts. We had VHS tapes, you know, Betamax, I think. And she's like, I want to invite one of my friends over here, Barry. We got nothing to be guilty of. Our love.

I mean, that was so good, man. That was just like, I get goosebumps thinking about that. They were very good, man. Staying Alive is a great fucking song. I mean, it really is. And that plagued them. That plagued them. Saturday Night Fever plagued them because people, they were pigeonholes, a bunch of

disco dorks, where if you look at their last couple of albums, big success all over, except America, really. There we are. Barbra Streisand and Brigham. It's more about her calling him out. That's not the one. Look at that fucking hair. My God.

Dude. Dude. My God. Dude, dude. My God. That's like almost an afro. I mean, it's so dense. It just emanates out of nowhere. Love that shit. Right?

Like, where is it coming from? Love it. Love it. I mean, for sure. But I mean, if that was a wig, I would not be stunned. But I had hair like that, Joe. Did you? Yeah, man.

Oh, you did. That's right, you did. Yeah, and it was all Aquanet. Teasing and Aquanet. Back in the old MTV days. Yeah, that, Joe. Did you? Yeah, man. Oh, you did. That's right, you did. Yeah, and it was all Aquanet. Teasing and Aquanet. Back in the old MTV days. Yeah, totally, man. Was that difficult for you to skate? Because I thought, when I found out that you were this super nerd, I was like, whoa, that

pretty guy? I never considered myself, look at me. I mean, I don't consider myself pretty or anything like that. Well, you're an older gentleman, but you were certainly very handsome when you were younger. I was always. I loved radio because I knew that no one had to look at me. Ah. And I could just be on just.

And I love the whole idea of dim studio, the green visor. But you were a beautiful man. Pull him up. Pull him up when he's younger. He's full of shit. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Curry was a beautiful man. I remember watching you on TV. I'm like, that guy's handsome.

I was held hostage by my hair. Yeah. Well, you were held hostage by your looks. Like remember watching you on TV. I'm like, that guy's handsome. I was held hostage by my hair. Yeah, well, you were held hostage by your looks. That's a thing. If you're a handsome person or a beautiful woman, there's a lot of times where people will look at you and dismiss anything that you have to say. Because you can't possibly

have an intelligence. Look at that! That fucking hair, baby! Look at him! I was 19 in the bottom left. That's still. That fucking hair, baby. Look at him. I was 19 in the bottom left. That's how I started out. Let me see some more pictures. That was in Holland. Look at that one in the middle.

Come on. You cannot deny your beauty. You cannot. You're a beautiful man. Look at that mouth. You are a goddamn beautiful man. What can I say? Look at that one up there, that left hand corner.

That's one of my least favorites, actually. Shut the fuck up. You're beautiful. You're a beautiful man. Look at that least favorites, actually. Shut the fuck up. You're beautiful. You're a beautiful man. Look at that. Oh, no, no. Look at that. No.

You beautiful bastard. You're just going to have to come to grips with the fact that you're genetically gifted with your facial features. Our family is not ugly. Not ugly at all. Not even a little bit. Our family is not ugly. That's a gift.

But it's also easy for people to dismiss you. Totally. We love dismissing people based on external characteristics. That's part of what... This is the third time on your show, by the way. I am so fucking honored. Oh, please. I'm honored, dude.

I have nothing but massive amounts of respect for you. I really want to be your Regis Philbin. Your Tony Randall. I am local, my brother. Whenever someone cancels, I figured Cosby couldn't make it. Joe's like, hey man, can you come on Monday? Can you come on Monday and do the show? Like, damn it, Cosby. Can you imagine if I had Cosby

on? As a man, I don't think we could actually be around a guy like that. I have daughters. It would be too hard. Yeah, of course. I have two stepdaughters and my own daughter. It's crazy. It was a crazy thing to see in the news that he was getting out. And I was like, wow.

That's wild. And then how many people were defending it? It was interesting. They disingenuously defend. They wrote this article. They do clickbait about Geraldo Rivera defending it. And he wasn't defending- He was defending the legal process.

Exactly. He wasn't defending him at all. But he was, the way, see if you can find a headline for the, very disingenuous the way they labeled it because Geraldo Rivera was essentially saying they tried his character versus trying his acts. The problem is he had made a deal with the prosecutor to- Under immunity. Under immunity. He testified in a civil case.

And then they played that for the grand jury. They used that to prosecute him. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. What did he say in the civil case? It was something to the effect of, yeah, I drugged him. He apologized?

Yeah, I'm trying to find out. But you know what's interesting is the response. So this is, and I believe 100% in the law, and there's obvious people who are at fault here who made these deals and used this information incorrectly, but the law is the law. But the response, the public outcry or lack of it will be very different, I predict. And I don't want to equate these things, but I think the damage he's done to women is pretty fucking severe. Derek Chauvin may get off on a technicality somewhere down the road.

Why? You know, there's still the Maxine Waters thing. Let's just say it happens the Maxine Waters thing. Let's just say it happens. Maxine Waters thing. She was tampering with a possible jury pool by talking about, by traveling to the state, by talking about it publicly. This is an old story. But regardless, it's possible that can happen.

Took Cosby a couple of years. Derek Chauvin could get off on a... Forget why. He could get off on a technicality. What the fuck do we know? Right. That's going to make people fucking crazy. Mm-hmm.

So, you know, is it equal? I mean, what Cosby did, I mean, that's... I mean, where's the outrage? I think this is... I think it's... Even though technically the law is correct, the people who fucked it up need to be held to account. I think people are coming to grips with it right now where they're like, holy shit, is

this real? Is he out? Yeah. So I think the dust has not even remotely settled. And the thing that Geraldo was saying is that this could possibly apply to Harvey Weinstein as well. Oh, well there you go. This is what he was saying,

that they tried Harvey Weinstein based on his character versus based on the actual legal facts. I don't know if that's true, though. I don't know if that's true. But Harvey Weinstein still, there's still other cases out there that he has to. The law is a crazy thing, Joe. I mean, the way it's all about interpretation,

it's how a judge interprets it or you know a Supreme Court I mean this again we all look at the same movie but we might be the same screen you might be seeing a different movie it's just it's what life we have to really agree that that's happening yes the sooner we all agree Tina and I often say you know as convinced as we are X, Y, and Z those people over there they're just as fucking convinced about that and we can't fault them for that. They're not bad or evil or wrong. We used to

in America in our country we used to always say no religion or politics. Let's have a good fucking time let's have a cookout. Play ball. Yeah that's not happening anymore. No. Now everybody wants to talk about religion. Well, not even really. Everybody wants to talk about politics more than anything.

Human discourse just needs some limitations. And social media has broken down a lot of walls and people are careless and don't think about how many people read or see what your intimate thoughts are or your snap judgment or your thought at that moment. You got to be kind of careful. There's also this real issue that we're facing today that people can't, and I think a lot of it was exacerbated by the Trump administration, by the Trump presidency, that people can't accept if you have a different perspective on politics

than they do, that you can't hang out with those people. Whereas it used to be you could have conservative friends and liberal friends and you would joke around with each other about your differences of opinions. You can't have that anymore. I still have a lot of liberal friends and I still have a lot of conservative friends. And I don't have a problem navigating those waters. And I can have rational conversations with my conservative friends and I could even bring up things to my liberal friends that maybe as a liberal they don't see things the way I see things and you know like particularly

the need for the military Second Amendment rights things like and then there's just human nature issues like I there's a lot of social issues that I agree with across the board in terms of like liberals i there's a lot of social issues that i agree with across the board in terms of like liberals but there's a lot of things where i'm like you have to take into consideration the fact that when you see like have you seen what's happening in hollywood with the the we spa oh yeah yeah of course okay of course so this uh apparently transgender person what a world baby what a fucking world is great so now people were protesting at the We Spy and Antifa members were beating up folks. But you're looking at the quality of the people that were hitting these other people and beating them up for, you know, hey-ho, trans foes have got to go.

And you're looking at these people and you go like, these people in any other walk of life would be like... You mean Antifa? Yes. Hold on a second. Antifa is something else. Antifa is, my belief, is a globally organized... I mean, Antifa goes back to the 40s. This is not just a group.

This is well-organized, well-funded, well-directed. When you see the true Antifa with everything black, that's to be taken very, very seriously. I see no difference between black or brown shirts. I mean, I think this Antifa is to be taken fucking seriously. And the reason that we're not taking it seriously is baffling to to me unless they are working on behalf of some political force it's look it up antifa has been around for a long time worldwide not just the united states that's not what i was gonna say what i was gonna say if you're looking at you're looking at sloppy people yeah you're looking at fat people you're looking at social outcasts who've decided to stand up for this cause and beat up people who disagree with them.

And they're bullies. They're ganging up on people. They're doing it in a very distasteful way. It is almost as if, now this is where I'll put on my tinfoil hat. If I wanted to engineer social unrest in this country, I would allow sloppy, stupid people to attack people that are standing up for something that is very difficult to argue. Here's what's very difficult to argue.

We're not arguing trans people, their rights. Of course you have rights as a trans person. Of course you have the right to identify with whatever gender you choose. The problem is exposing your genitals to children. That was a core part of this story, was nine year old and 11 year old girls that had to stare at a penis. And people are like, what's the difference? Is it okay to stare at a vagina?

It's not okay to stare at a penis? The difference is, and this is what, and I'm not saying that this person is guilty of this. We know that men have throughout history preyed on children. Pedophiles have preyed on young girls and young boys. And it's mostly been men, right? We know that women are very nervous about their children being around men who look at their children sexually i'm not saying this person did i'm saying that this is one of the reasons why we don't want men naked and if we have just like a universal sex bathroom and everyone at a spa could just men and women would all be naked together. Look, it sounds rational, but our society is not engineered that way.

We are not engineered. We did not grow up in a way where you just see people's penises and vaginas all day long from strangers. It's not, if we did, maybe if we lived in some sort of tribe where this is a custom, where everybody just walks around naked, we would be accustomed to this and it'd be normal, but it's not. I grew up in a country that was just like that. Holland. The Netherlands in the seventies, sports clubs had co-ed showers and dressing rooms. And what was that like? Well, I came from the US, so I had a very, I entered the Netherlands when I was seven. So I was fucking freaked out about it. Two things. Like, what the fuck?

Everyone walks around naked in the showers, at school gym as well, although I was in the international school first. And they also put mayonnaise on French fries, so it was a fucking bad experience all around for me. Mayonnaise and French fries is a different flavor. I like it now. It's a different flavor.

Yeah. It's not bad. I was seven, man. I'm like, what the fuck? Where's my ketchup? Where's the syrup? They have no maple syrup. Their pancakes are thin, not thick.

What do they put on their pancakes? Butter and powdered sugar. Huh. Yeah. Is that good? Yeah, it's a taste. It's a taste. But they're more like a crepe, more like a French pancake.

The Netherlands has something very specific called boffertjes, which is very small, like I would say silver dollar size pancakes. And it's always around the wintertime. They have a big griddle with 100 preformed holes and they throw the batter in. And it's cool to watch the guy with a fork and turn them all over like that. And they put it on a plate put butter on it put some powdered sugar on it boom there you go you got some puffer cheese and it's puffer cheese so good uh there you go oh interesting looks like little tiny little pastry type yeah but they're they're basically little pancakes huh yeah no anyway poor kid how'd you get through that? The problem was, so I was

kind of freaked out, but I, what I saw is that changed over time and it just went away and it was no longer appropriate. And we had, you know, male and female. When did that happen? Well, I, I, of course I left to come back to the States in, um, in 86, 87. Uh, it had already, I would say, kind of transitioned by then. Really, it happened with the entrance of satellite television. Satellite television came in, you had Sky Channel, you had all these different European wide commercial, all commercial, RTL, SBS, they were broadcasting all kinds of stuff into homes. And before that, we had government-controlled airwaves. It was, you know, like kind of Soviet Russia idea. And somehow with that, which I would just say American influence, everyone became this puritanical, like, oh, no, we can't have that anymore.

We're not going to do that. Going to a prostitute back in the day, that dad's going to go see the hooker. It's that one on the corner. And that's good. It keeps the marriage going, it's that one on the corner, and that's good, it keeps the marriage going. Can you even believe that that was culture?

What year was this? Late 70s, mid to late 70s. Wow. Now, you know, they've even closed down most of the red light district. Well, in New York, they've decriminalized

prostitution now. Didn't they? I don't know. I'm pretty sure they did. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that was a really recent thing where they decided to decriminalize prostitution. But Didn't they? I don't know. I'm pretty sure they did. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that was a really recent thing where they decided

to decriminalize prostitution. But what they really did is the whole idea of the individual prostitute in the window in Amsterdam was, it was a business. It was seen as

a legitimate business. You got healthcare. You had your regular checks. They really said, no, no, we're going to move this into brothels. Right.

And when you move it into brothels, that's when a whole bunch of other shit comes in. It's not just a pure here's a here's a sex transaction right it's very it's safe it's you know it's in a very confined space but yet enough people around so bad shit didn't happen um you actually shop in the window before and it's from women and men by the way um but they all move that to brothels. That's really where they want it, which I think is where more shenanigans take place. It's much less safe.

Now, the co-ed bathroom situation. So all bathrooms were co-ed. Showers. Showers and dressing rooms, yeah. And this is at gyms or at anywhere? Like a hockey club or a football club or something like that. So if you went to a place to lift weights and there were showers, all the men and the women all got in there together. And so you got to see everyone naked. 73, 74, yeah, something like that. So if you went to a place to lift weights and there were showers, all the men and the women all got in there together. And so you got to see everyone naked.

73, 74, something like that. Interesting. That's not how it's done today. No, it's gone. But the thing today is like this is obviously a new thing where someone can identify as a female but still have a penis. That's what's so fucking weird about it. That's what's so weird. still have a penis. That's what's so fucking weird about it. That's what's so weird. And particularly in Europe, the Muslim integration into these countries has really, really turned

back the clock on all kinds of gender and sexual freedom. You cannot walk as a same-sex couple down certain streets of Amsterdam or Rotterdam or any other major city because you will be spit on, whistled at, or maybe even assaulted. Have you read Douglas Murray's book, The Strange Death of Europe? Yes, I have. Oh my God, that was so good. His stuff is amazing. The Madness of Crowds is also amazing. It's excellent, but it's a fearless exploration of this particular dilemma.

That came out a while ago, didn't it? A few years ago. The Madness of Crowds is, well, didn't it? A few years ago. Yeah, yeah. It's The Madness of Crowds. Well, I read it when I was in L.A. That led me down to the Calergi Plan and all that shit that's going on in Europe. The what? Calergi Plan.

What is that? The Calergi Plan is very, very old, but it still exists in the Calergi Prize today, which is a political prize. I say political prize. The Calergy Plan is to slowly integrate brown people, I'm just going high level, brown people into the white people of Europe. And it's been a project that has been ongoing for decades and decades and decades. I think Calergy died only 30 years ago, but Angela Merkel got the clergy prize just a couple of years ago.

This is a real, it's a clergy plan, but it said, okay, we are, we're integrating with the rest of the world. The European Union, most countries took a very specific stance and said, come on in. Refugees, come on in. Everybody come in, come into our countries and we're going to integrate with you. And they did that out of the goodness of their heart. It's really good fucking people. The Swedes, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the French, the Belgians. And it's really resulted in a lot of fucking trouble for everybody.

It's not turning out very well. Why is that? Because you have complete segregation. The immigrants are not integrating. The first wave of immigrants, the Netherlands has a long history, colonial history with Indonesia, and also to a degree with Turkey. And there was a whole wave of Turkish guest workers that were brought in in around the 70s. and they've integrated now 40 years later and you know there's a whole third generation and it's really very dutch um which has changed but

all these other uh refuge uh refugees but immigrants from um real middle eastern countries that have completely incompatible cultures uh with, their view on women. You sell this in France, you know, the whole idea of headgear, hijab versus the burqa, et cetera, et cetera. So those are cultural decisions. You know, do we want, as the French would say, pillboxes of walking down our streets? Because that's what they say when they see a burqa. Pillbox. Yeah. If you look at a woman in a burqa, it's like it's a person in a pillbox with just a little strip here with mesh for their eyes. You know, that's what the French say about it.

You know, that's change. It's very radical change for people who have never had that. And how do we integrate these cultures into our Western society? And the problem is that they, I guess the problem they're saying is that they're not integrating, they're just establishing communities. Ghettos. That keep their old ways intact.

Yep. Revenge murders, genital mutilation, all kinds of stuff. It's rough. Yeah, it is. I don't know how we got to this from Antivo. How did we get to this?

I think it came through some of that Buffalo trace. The overall thing that I was getting at was like, we're at a cultural crossroads when you start beating people up that don't want little girls to see men's penises. Yeah. Because you say that's not a man, that's a woman. And you're a transphobe if you think that that little kid shouldn't see the penis. And why is it okay to see a vagina but not okay to see a penis?

Like, we're like, okay. Well, ultimately what I think has to happen is you need to, if you believe that, then you will go to a spa that does not have that policy. Yeah, but then the spas that don't have that policy are going to get attacked. And then it seems like... Well, we're fucked then, Joe. Yeah, that's the problem. It feels like that, doesn't it?

Yeah, it does. I guess the woman who made that recording, released that recording because she thought that she was going to shame these spa owners who are saying this person identifies as a woman that's another part of our of our cultural problem is this oh i've got to tell everybody i've got a report on this person i have to post it i'm going to shame you i'm going to do that that's my my thought is that when you see the kind of people that were representing uh the idea that this person should be able to have their

penis out in front of little girls, that you saw these sloppy people. They seem like outcasts in a lot of ways. And they're- I don't know. You can see the video. You want to see the video? Yeah, show me. Show some of the videos of some of the... Go to Andy Nose Twitter.

I'm not sure what you mean by sloppy. Overweight. They just look like social outcasts. Some of them, they look, you know. First of all, they're bullying these people. They're not just disagreeing with people. They're throwing water on their head. They're hitting them with things.

They're taking away their flags. They're beating them up. They hit this guy in the head who was a preacher. They hit him in the head with a skateboard. There's a lot of wild shit going on there. They're assault him up. They hit this guy in the head who was a preacher. They hit him in the head with a skateboard. There's a lot of wild shit going on there. And, you know, they're assaulting people. And it's – Well, the question is – My problem is when people who, like, have strong beliefs against things like this,

against things like a person with a penis being able to be in a bathroom with little girls, you're going to get violence. And that's where this comes. That's fucked up. Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. That's fucked up. And the kind of violence that they're doing to these people is ensuring that you're going to get violence.

See this? See what I'm saying? I see what you're saying. Social outcasts. So you're getting these dorky people that are attacking these people and they're organized. They're organized in- They're very organized. Yeah.

But look at them. Look at the lady with the green hair. Perfect. So this woman, well, she's pretty sloppy too. This woman, look, they're throwing water at her. They wind up pushing her around. And it's one of the rare times where a man is allowed to hit women. Like this guy's throwing water at her.

Boom. Sort of boom. And then this girl goes and pushes her with a skateboard. The skateboards are very dangerous. Is that a girl or a boy? Or they? Maybe it's a skateboard. The skateboards are very dangerous. Is that a girl or a boy? Or they? Maybe it's a them. I don't know.

But they carry skateboards around and use skateboards as weapons. I mean, they have backpacks. You know what this is? This is all privilege. This comes from privilege. If people had to be out there doing something, working in the field or in the factory. Give me some volume, Jimmy. To have some money to buy some food.

This shit wouldn't be taking place. These people are, the whole, all of them are privileged. All of them. They're all privileged. What are you doing on a weekday? Get the fuck out. Everybody. And everyone's wearing a mask, which is odd too, right?

It's like. Well, no, that's for, they don't want to be recognized. But it's sort of that, but it's also like a COVID thing now. It's like a double-edged sort of situation. I can know. That's the. And look, they're using two phones to film at the same time. And they're chasing this lady, and they won't leave her alone.

Right. Well, what if this is your job? Yeah. What if it's the lady's job to stand there and protest because she's been paid by some religious group, political group, whatever group it is? And what if the people in the black, what if they're paid by someone to go there and attack them? Why would you even bother going there? Don't you think that people just have convictions? Sure.

Why would you think that they're being paid to do that? Because how else? Well, then they have extreme privilege. So how are they? Well, it's a day off. What day was it? Saturday. Okay. Well, I guess it can only happen on Saturday day off. What day was it? Saturday. Okay.

Well, I guess it can only happen on Saturday. They organized it to do it on Saturday. And they organized it like days in advance. They put it on social media. They let everybody know. I really like questioning everything. I really like looking at all the... I'm not saying that they're paid, but it seems like this time to do this seems like a lot of privilege.

This is just what they do on a Saturday? We get up in the garb like Civil War reenactment people? This is not as concerning to me as when people were getting released from jail during the Portland riots. That's happening everywhere. Yeah, and then they were getting bailed out by people in the Democratic Party. And the bail money goes to the person who was incarcerated, interestingly enough. So you kind of get a double whammy there. Well, this is district attorneys. While we weren't looking in general, Joe, you and I, but certainly our parents,

we were all busy making careers and being good people and working forward and making the world great. And a lot of mediocre people kind of slipped into places in politics and school boards, stuff that we weren't interested in running for. I'm not interested in that. That's the problem. I think that's our fault. It's our parents' fault. This trend, you know, we're kind of Gen X. I'm, you know, Gen X with boomer tendencies.

I fall right in 64. So you're, you're definitely Gen X. It's logical that, that these young, this, this is Gen Y, Gen Z. They have, we have given them a bum rap, man. They're born in the 90s. Most of them, you can see it, 90s. We had the gulf war it was kind of a weird time all kinds of financial shit bill clinton blow jobs became okay because that wasn't actually sex that was you know something else and so they've learned all this

then we had 9-11 which was imagine you're 10 and this happens we have i happens. My own daughter was born in 1990. This was fucking traumatic for everybody, but especially for children. Don't worry. We're going to go smoke them out. We're going to go get them. Oh, we invaded the wrong country. Hold on a second. And then to all this shit.

Turns out weapons of mass destruction weren't real. Right. And then just as everyone's in their teenage years financial crisis, everyone's house is getting diluted. It's all fucked up. Friends and family have to move away. Don't worry. Trillion dollars.

It's all going to fix it. And then these kids, a lot of them graduated and they can go to a $13 an hour job and they have $50,000, $100,000 in debt. They're fucking disillusioned. I think that is a huge, huge problem we're dealing with right now. They have no spark. They have no life force. They're interested in gig jobs, because then I can do my own thing.

I'll just work nine to five. Amazon is fine. Uber is fine. Career, oh, just like my dad, I'm going to wind up working 70 hours a week for a 40-hour-a-week wage. I don't want any of that. We're'm going to wind up working 70 hours a week for 40 uh hour a week wage i don't want any of that we're all going to die anyway because of climate change i mean think about what these what the messages that that young people today are receiving that's kind of the message

or you become a tiktok millionaire and that man yes yeah there's a lot of that going on. Well, that's the great way out, right? That's exactly it. I can be an influencer, and I can be like Jake Paul, and I can be like any... Name it. And I can be a fitness model and make money. And yeah, of course. And that's full circle,

except if you piss outside of the boat there, cancel, demonetize your den, your dream is over, forget about it, no career, go back to gig work. It's very destructive and it's easy for us to see it, I think. It doesn't seem like any leaders in government or even academics give a shit. Well, this is why this is interesting to me when I watch these organizations, because these people are united in this community and they might be a community of losers, but they're, this is a community of people

that have an idea. And this idea is that anybody that doesn't want this person with a penis to be in that girl's locker room, because the person with a penis identifies as a woman, anybody doesn't want that to happen is evil and a transphobe and we got to stop them. So they all get together and they think they're right. That's why they're acting like bullies. They're all surrounding this one woman. Men feel like it's okay to throw water in her face publicly, push her with a skateboard, chase her across the street, film the whole thing. Everyone's filming everything, right? They're all shaming people and filming people and having these arguments. And this is maybe the only way that they feel united. They feel like they belong to something.

They feel like they're a part of something bigger than themselves. And they want to change culture, whether it's right or wrong. The problem is they're getting these sound bites. They're getting these conversations and these little 140, 280 character bursts on Twitter where they're arguing with each other about points. Do you mind if we have Jamie bring up Zuby's 20 points? Yeah, sure, sure. Please take a look.

I love Zuby. We're talking about this exact same thing. This guy is smart. He really nailed it with this. He has the 20 points, and it's all that we've talked about in the past hour or so is all about... Zuby's all about personal accountability and hard work. He's a very intelligent, thoughtful person.

You've had him on, right? Yeah, yeah. And I think what is going on with these groups of people is a lot of people, they feel disenchanted. They feel disconnected from society. All right. 20 things I've learned or had confirmed about humanity during the pandemic. One, most people would rather be in the majority than be right. That's true. Right.

Ding, ding, ding. That's really good. Right. Two, at least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies, which will emerge under the right conditions. Bam. You just saw that. That's exactly what we're talking.

Three, fear of death is only rivaled by the fear of social disproval. That's a big one. The latter could be stronger. Bam. Bam, right be stronger. Bam. Bam, right? Amazing. Brilliant. Four.

Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limited information has not made the average person any wiser. It's made propaganda easier. This is so good. Five. Anything and everything can and will be politicized by the media, government, and those who trust them. Perfect. Perfect.

Six. Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations. No arguments here. Sure. Seven. Most people believe the government acts in the best interest of the people, even many who are vocal critics of the government. Yep. There's probably a lot of truth in that. Eight, once they have made up their mind,

most people would rather to commit to being wrong than admit they were wrong. I think he put a two in there. He said, would rather commit to being wrong than admit they were wrong. Than admit they're wrong, right. Nine, humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviors for better or worse. True.

Ten, when sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it. Should I do the second 10 for you, Joe? Sure. All right. Eleven, people who are dismissed as conspiracy theorists are often well-researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative. Lab leak theory. Perfect. True. 12.

Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said safety is merely an illusion. Well, that's an old one. We all know that one. 13. Hedonic adaption occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to normal. Fucking A, right? Fucking A.

Fourteenth, a significant percentage of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated. Yeah. I'd like to put a percentage on that. Yeah. Fifteen, the science has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself. Nailed it. 16.

Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing rather than actually doing the right thing. Hello. Yeah. 17. Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

I agree with that. 100%. 18. If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights by giving them money, food, and entertainment. Give them bread and circus. It goes back to the Romans. 19.

Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach. Let me just look at that again. Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes... Yes, I think people are very, very poor at defending their own freedoms. And 20, it is easier to fool a person than to convince them they have been fooled. Bonus thoughts. 21, most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions. This is good.

As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our leaders, can have malicious or perverse intentions. This is bad. He's right. Zoobie music on Twitter. That kind of encompasses it all I mean yeah but this is weird man because we grew up believing that politicians were good people and yeah and that people were good people and it turns out a lot of people are really good people but it can be fucking assholes well and then if they get licensed to be corrupt right like if that's where it gets bad that's where it is

licensed to corruption it's like legalized corruption sanctioned corruption george carlin did so many i mean if i'm influenced by any one person in my thinking george carlin really really put me in a headspace so yeah you're in a you know it's a big fucking club and you ain't in it i'm like oh my god yeah and just all of it even the you know his phobe rant I mean he's got so many good ones what's the phobe rant? it's like all these different things you can get you know cause I've got the well it was more like I'm supersized

I'm hypothesized I can't get enough of this he had so many good rants like that he had a really interesting way of doing comedy too you know he would write his whole act out first. And memorize it, right? Yeah. Yeah, completely.

It would basically be like kind of a one-man play. I've seen him do the one, and he did it at like, in D.C. It was his famous, one of his famous rants. And he said, look, I'm still working on this. And he actually started over because he was reading it, getting it exactly right. You saw him live? Yeah, yeah. It was in like some committee meeting or something,

like the press club or some bullshit like that. And he was really testing his material, and it was so good. Yeah, he memorized every nuance, every word. And I think the last HBO special he did, he fucked a couple things up. It wasn't a great appearance. It was great, but there were some things where he stumbled over a word and when Carlin stumbles over a word it really breaks the flow It's like ah any and I could you could see him like fuck. Yeah I think he only did one take on those things too, which is also an issue

There's a lot of these guys like Hicks revelations. He did in London, and he did one film. Bill Hicks? Yeah, and you could see him really tight. He's tight. Like when someone does a comedy special, one of the things that I always try to tell guys or gals or non-binary folks, I tell them do as many recordings as you can. If it costs more money to do four, do four.

Definitely do at least two because you do that one one and you kind of get loose from the one and then the second one is better. Because the second one, everything is sort of like laid out. You need that. Like you really need that. You need more recordings. You can't just do one recording. Because one recording is too much pressure.

Pressure is the enemy of comedy. Like you don't want that kind of like, I've got to get this right, I've got to get this right. Because that's not loose. You know, comedy comes from looseness. You know, you really want, at the very least, you should do another show that day. Like, if you're going to film that night at 8 o'clock, do a show at 6 and just bang it out. Right.

So you get the knock the dust off. That shit's too stressful for me, man. Yeah. That kind of shit. That's what I love about podcasting. Yeah. There's always another episode. Yeah, but the thing about podcasting. It sucked. We'll we'll do another one tomorrow yeah we fucked up a few things while we're doing this today and it doesn't mess anything up in fact it's sort of

it it what did we fuck up i don't know maybe we fucked i'm sure we did probably did yeah but my point is that like it affirms that we don't have a script and we're just just ranting like i've had conversations with people about podcasts where they don't exactly know how this works and they go okay so when you get together say if you and adam curry are going to do a podcast do you guys talk about what you're going to talk about in advance like we don't have a fucking clue we literally we don't we don't think about it mean, there's a few things that I wanted to bring up today. I don't even remember what they are anymore. But the fact is you make it look easier than it is.

It's not that hard, man. I've had real jobs, you know. A lot more goes into it. Above all things, you are just a beautiful open communicator. That's what you get from Joe Rogan. I mean, you can feel that that it's like oh my god This guy's giving and taking and if you're open to it That's and I think all people with some intelligence most people you have on are pretty fucking smart

You know they feel that and the unlimited uncensored Nontimed performance is so counter to everything you do in broadcasting, in film, in comedy. Yeah. It's a complete... In most stuff.

Yeah, most things. Well, you had a job. We have this weird time. This is... You want a cigar, man? Do you like cigars? Yes, I do. I see you suck on

those vapes. This actually is a cigar with my face on it. Oh, I will put your face in my mouth any day, Joe Rogan. They're actually good.

These are from Foundation Cigars. You got a cutter? Shout out. Yes, I do. What's that white thing? Dude, that's, you know, it's great that you get all this cool stuff, but it really ruins the market. So when I built my desk after I gave you Drew. Drew's awesome.

Let him cut in line. You know, these things, these sound panels, the company now sells them. You know, I think they were created for you special. And they even had like- They have a JRE logo on them. The previous one had JRE logos on it. Yeah. This thing's like 600 bucks a pop now.

Uh-oh. For a cough button. Thanks, Joe Rogan. We fucked that up. We fucked that up. You can get this one right in front of you. Oh, shit. I'm sorry.

Yeah, it's okay. What is this? Like a whole- It's a cutter. Yeah, it's a cutter. I know, but what's all this part? It flips over and then it's a lighter. Yeah, see?

And then you flip it over and then the top pops up like that. See that? All right, hold on. There you go. Ta-da. Oh. Torch. Yeah.

This is so phallic. Mm-hmm. There was a shortage on these microphones for a while. Yeah. I got pretty close, didn't I?

Yeah, we fucked that up too. Yeah, I was told it was because of us. We fucked up a lot of things. Hey, you know, I think there's a lot of shortages coming. There's a lot of problems

with the supply chain. Manufacturing in this country. Not just... No, no, no. Supply chain. Supply chain. Supply chain. So you think it's on purpose? Well, so the South Chinese port shut down for 10 days.

And that's the one in Yantong. I can't remember. I don't know what the fuck it's called. Southeast. That's where a lot of shit from China comes from. And they were locked down for COVID, for the Delta variant. It's unbelievable. Oh, this is recent?

Yes, yeah. And they were locked down for like a week, maybe 10 days. They came back only 30%. They say it will take up to 80 days to clear the backlog. I mean, I'm just now discovering there's a whole community of people

who track shipping. Shipping and containers and freight. And containers used to cost a thousand bucks, 2000 bucks. You rent the container, they ship it over, and then you send the container back. Now containers are going for 20 or $30,000 because there's no containers and you can't get shit from China. There's not enough people to work in some factories like cardboard. It's insane. work in some factories like cardboard, it's insane. Yeah, look at here.

Satellite images show backlog of containers. Yantian. I said it exactly right. Congratulations. Backlog of, go back to that, please. Backlog of containers awaiting export. That's June 17th, so that's a couple weeks ago. Interesting. So those are all the backlogs.

But we're going to, of course, we already seen, you know, incredible inflated prices with lumber and all kinds of food, gas. Everything's more expensive. Right. And then there's been these explosions. There's like three explosions at gas facilities. Right. There was the one in the ocean. You saw that one, right?

That was wild. We have the ransomware. The Gulf of Mexico is on fire. Isn't that fucking's why we have the ransomware that's on fire isn't that fucking crazy i think the ransomware is a bigger problem right but that shit was wild the gulf of mexico uh oh it's under control says mexico owned oil company the fact that the ocean is on fucking fire i mean out of all this shit well it's like 2021 it's like listen 2020 yeah but dude we got, 2020. Yeah, but dude, listen. We got a new act.

Your Tesla will burn for three days too, my brother. It will? Oh, my God. Have you not seen these Teslas? When they crash and they burst into flames, it takes 30,000, 40,000 gallons to put them out. Okay. They keep burning like birthday candles. Are you an anti-Tesla guy?

No, not at all. Do you have one? No. How come you don't have an electric car? Because I like control over my fuel. What about solar panels that power your house? I'm looking right now. I think where we live, we moved out to hill country.

I'm looking. So we have our own well. We have propane. Nice, nice. And so the only thing we don't have is we have a septic tank. So my shit is my shit. I had a little fox in my yard today, and he was screaming. You ever heard a fox scream? Yeah,

and they jump. Was he jumping like this? No, but I want to play this, because it's a crazy noise. It's like a high-pitched whine. It's not fun. It's like a bark. Oh, I only have seen British foxes. Maybe they speak a different bark. Yeah, it's a weird noise.

So, yeah, I'm looking at wind power. I think I'd like to have something that at least I can store. You know, the batteries, it's just a backup, just to be able to run some essential stuff. I think wind may be more efficient where I am than solar. I really want a backyard nuke is what I really want. I'll take that in the heartbeat. Yeah, they're coming.

They're coming. They are? Sure. For real? Yeah, eventually. The new nuclear reactors are quite impressive. They eat their own waste. There's actually no waste product from it.

You can put a small one into the ground with reverse. They kind of reverse the process so the rods by default don't fall down. I'm butchering this, but I know a lot of nuclear physicists who have explained this to me, particularly Rod Adams, if you want to know what's going on. And so you'll be able to power a whole town or a city or a section of a city. And of course, it's incredibly environmentally friendly. The problem is the fuel costs nothing. So there's a lot of people who don't want that, mainly the oil companies. The idea of having a nuke in your backyard, does it freak you out?

No, of course not. That freaks me out. I can't find the video. I don't know what the fuck I did with it. I hope I didn't delete it. But there was an actual little fox in my backyard going, Weird noise. It's like the deer. We have deer now, of course. And they hiss immediately. backyard going, wah, wah. Weird noise.

It's like the deer. We have deer now, of course. Yeah. And they hiss immediately. Like, fuck you, bitch. Oh, they're blowing at you. Yeah, it's called blowing. The fuck? Blowing?

Yeah, they're alerting all the other deer that a predator is near. So they're all on alert. Get off my turf then. Well, yeah, they don't want you to eat them. That's what that is. That's all it is. Hey, that's another thing I have.

If everything goes to shit, I got some deer. Yeah. I got stuff to eat. Do you know how to hunt? I'm a good shot. Look, the deer are idiots. They come up to you, boom, I got them. They're going to learn.

Take a few of them out. Have I told you about kangaroos? What about them? I did a documentary in 1990 in australia and i went out with a roo shooter so they have they have to call the kangaroos because you know there's 50 million of them and they fuck like rabbits right so um they give the roo shooter a number of tickets you know so you can shoot 10 or 20 or 30 kangaroos only the males right and so you go out into the into the outback in the middle of the night and it's pitch black and the guy's just driving nothing's on and then all of a sudden they'll

stop it's like an open jeep turn on a floodlight boof and the kangaroo's like and they sit there and the guy was boom get him falls down the kangaroo next to that one will go and they're completely stupid then they hoist them up by their balls by their testicles because that's the strongest part onto the side of the truck their testicles are stronger than their feet yeah well it's it's the balance is perfect because you can you can grab them hang them upside down then they break the left hind leg so it's not flapping in the wind and they tie it back and they're good to go and they are i I always thought kangaroos, skippy, you know, this is cute. Man, they are not cool.

They're stinky. They're nasty. They're ugly. And they will fuck you up real easy. Yeah, they'll kick your ass. With a tail. They'll kick you. All kinds of stuff.

Yeah, that's scary. And they're seven feet tall, seven, eight feet tall, some of these guys. The big ones. Holy shit. They're really enormous. So if it's animals like that, I know all I need is a gun and a searchlight and a jeep they just did it there you go roo shooter boom oh and do they eat them oh yeah they're good right kangaroo no it's i found it to be kind of tough well that's all just how they cook it well i had

several prepared for me in australia and I just never really got the hang of it probably just don't know how to do it if they slow cooked it like if they had a slow cooker or you know like You ever you ever like do a stew and like a slow cooker of course you cook it all day long Yeah, that's some red wine. Yeah, you can totally take a piece of very very tough game me 1990s when Australians still had guns and they were I made a fucking Paul Hogan they were like rough until he had that God in the outback You know we were with guides and they and they literally set up like a manhole cover with a fire under it

And that was for throwing the goddamn steaks on it was truly shrimp on no shrimp on the Barbies Rue meat right now what a great experience. But it was real tough, huh? These guys were badass. So nice. And then drink, drink, drink. VBs, Victoria Bitters. Just one. And oh, there's three more.

Keep drinking. What? And I went to a Spinsters and Bachelor Ball. I don't know if they still have these. What's a Spinster? So it's like a debutante ball, only Australian style. So you go there and all the boys and girls from the town or the village, it's a two-day or three-day event.

And you go and you pay one fee, drink as much as you want. They tie a tin cup to your body so you won't lose it. And they just drink and fuck all weekend long. There's puke everywhere. And then on the last day, they go out and bach the ute. So a ute is a utility vehicle. It's like a pickup truck without the bed and a souped-up engine. And they bach it like, and then they go in the mud and they play demolition derby.

They put carbite in milk containers and blow them off. So fun. I don't know if they still do that. I was 30 at the time, but, man, I fell in love with Australia. This is it right here? Yeah, that's New York Times. First comes Snapchat, then Bachelor and Spinster Ball. Oh, so they're still doing it.

Yeah. Oh, my God, they're on the roof. They're drunk on a roof. What could go wrong there? Look at all these kids. Look at these wild fucks. Look at them. And you get your swag in the back of your ute there you go in the mud cashed up bogans is that what you would call them i know how they call it that's that expression

cashed up bogans they're explaining that to us when we're yeah this is pretty much it yeah fire fire lots of fire because you know we fight the fuck happened you gotta fight yeah there's that's a ute see with the back with the open bed right yeah putting that shit on fire crashing into stuff jesus christ yeah ah and there you go and that's what it looks like after day two blood everyone's asleep drunk that's hilarious wild fucking people you never been to australia oh yeah i've been a few times well you didn't do it right. I guess not. But I don't know if it's still like that. I don't think it's... Bachelors and spinsters. But isn't a spinster like a negative phrase for a woman who doesn't have children who's older in America? Yeah. They call them spinsters like... This is old colony, penal colony English. I don't know what they were thinking.

Yeah, it's funny how they're so nice over there, but they come from prisoners. I mean, that was the beginning. Yeah. It's weird, right? Because they're such a friendly country. There's a lot of Dutch influences in Australia, a lot of different countries. And, of course, there's some Asian influences. It's a very interesting place.

There are relatively few people for the size of the mass. Oh, tiny. Yeah. Contiguous United States, the same size as the contiguous United States but there's less people than California. 25 million people or something. Yeah. And I took the the train to Perth all the way to Western Australia. It's a 24-hour train ride. You go through nuclear testing grounds. Yeah. Little wasteland where they tested nukes. You kind of just go right through it. It's an old train. It's like the Oriental Express.

I've done the Pacific, the Pacific, the Asian Pacific line, I think it's called. And you sleep on the train and it's the most boring 24 hours I've ever witnessed in my fucking life. Just flat ground, nothing on it. Because we were doing the documentary, they let me sit up front with the engineers, whose only job is every 30 seconds to hit the dead man's button. And they'll be talking with you. What's the dead man's button? Oh, so if the countdown clock, I think it's 30 or 40 seconds.

If it's 40 seconds, you haven't hit the button, the train stops. And then you have to reset the train because apparently the engineer died or was incapacitated so the train isn't just running by itself oh so they'll be talking with and you'll be like looking at this big readout going three two and like dude and he hits the button you know he's doing all that kind of shit yeah hit it with his foot like yeah at one second left to go yeah that was that was the fun part but otherwise oh my god imagine that job every 30 seconds just having to hit this button and there's probably some weird temptation Just let it go to zero. I would not be good for I'd be like my OCD Tourette's everything hits Just be that would creep me out is impossible job my buddy Adam green tree is from Australia and he's in the mining business

and he's... Opal mining? Coober Pedy? Honestly, I don't know what kind of mining. Bitcoin mining? I don't think so. It's actual in the ground mining. Oh, okay. Old school. But my point is that he worked with a lot of indigenous people.

And a lot of those people he was explaining to me how they had there's these they call mobs like their tribe is called a mob and they would be one mob here and then there's another one you know 20 kilometers over there and they don't even speak the same language yeah and they don't have it written down so they don't know like and then there's another one 30 kilometers that way totally different language as well and they don't speak the same language so they can't communicate like and then there's another one 30 kilometers that way totally different language as well And they don't speak the same language, so they can't communicate

He's like there might be a hundred of them like that. I think wow there's like so there's do their smartphones I got iPhones out there. Do you think I don't know what I'm sure they do Adam does I mean, I'm sure a lot of people do but the indigenous Aborigines they must have yes Well, they work for him on the mind so right okay so yes i'm sure they probably they got pagers yeah i'm sure they have phones but he was telling me his horrible story about um this uh one i forget who did this to these people but there's a story about um these people that got poisoned they gave food. They gave them food and they were basically living in a cave. Adam Greentree has it. There's a YouTube video series that he's involved with now where he's talking about some of his adventures.

And he came upon this cave where these indigenous people had lived. These aborigines had lived, and they were all dead. They had all been poisoned. So they poisoned men, women, children, hundreds of people. It's like the American Indians here. They were fighting amongst themselves,

enslaving people all the time. But I don't think this was... I think this was white people poisoning them. Oh, that's fucked up. I mean, it's fucked up no matter what yeah it was uh they had decided that these people for whatever reason had to go and so they poisoned their whole family the the whole tribe god put a weird fucking piece of shit into us didn't it it's like you can be good people but we all are susceptible to a very mean and evil streak. I think we had lived tooth and claw for so long

that it's in our DNA. We forgot about it. I think we had lived tooth and claw amongst predators and amongst neighboring warring tribes, and that shit is just in us. So maybe that's what's happening, except instead of clubs and other things, we first start on social media, and we, tooth and claw, as you say, fuck this, surround them, strategies, etc.

And that's very easy then to spill over. It's essentially, as you pointed out, sloppy on both sides. Yes, both sides sloppy. They could have been from the exact same tribe as far as I'm concerned. And by the way, they switch tribes, right? Like on social media. Sometimes people are like, that's it, I'm becoming conservative. Or that's it, I'm becoming a liberal. Well, in general, these labels are bad.

Just labels. I mean, you're not conservative, liberal. You're Joe. And you're Joe and you have certain ideas that are unique to you. I have certain ideas unique to me. We may agree. We disagree. We don't have to fucking agree.

We can just have a good time and chat and smoke a cigar and talk philosophically and learn from each other. This is an art that is lost. And podcasting does bring some of that back. What these people show, what I see just based on them behaving and what they look like is a lack of personal accountability and a lack of discipline. Those things are huge for cultures, and we've always had that. Life has always been hard, and it's good that life is not hard, right? It's good that babies, we don't have a high infant mortality rate. It's good that people don't die when they have diseases or they don't die when they break their leg. It's good that we have science and medicine and civilization that has a bunch of safety nets.

So we make sure that we keep people alive and safe and comfortable. But the problem with that is in comfort also comes complacency. It comes, there's a lot of people today that have this feeling of entitlement and this feeling of society's bullshit burned to the ground without an understanding of how unique the society is and how fragile it is. They are very privileged and entitled to be able to even do that and take action upon it for sure. I understand the elites of the world, the Davos club, I would say, the central bankers and politicians. I understand why they, and this goes back to before climate change, the population bomb. They've always

wanted to contain population. And Prince Philip would say, well, most people are just useless eaters. They're cannon fodder. And to some degree in the world of how everything works, I can see their point from their point of view. It's like you're out there doing this shit. You're useless. We don't really need you. How do we call you or how do we? Eugenics was a real thing in all over the world, the United States. The Georgia Guidestones still kind of show us that, hey, the population should really

be 500 million people. I understand where they're coming from. Is that a worldwide population? Yeah. That's ridiculous. Yeah. You know, the Georgia Guidestones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But who the fuck made those? It doesn't matter. I think it's a lot less spooky or nefarious as just someone who said, hey, if the world goes to shit and everything blows up, these Guidestones will show you, A, how to tell time, how to tell direction, how to keep a calendar. And I have a couple other things here,

which is, hey, don't let it grow by 500 million because it turns to shit and you'll do it all over again. I think that's the basic idea of the Georgia Guidestones. But of course, technology has changed everything.

There's no reason why we can't make enough food for everybody. We do all have to kind of be on the same playing field and participate in the system. And I think that we've seen a class that is academic or that really doesn't participate directly in the labor force and production. We've kind of lost that. And technology is a part of that. We are in some amazing times. The world will never be the same.

You and I used to have the phone connected to the wall, and the TV had an antenna that came over the air. It's reversed. And the phone had a dial. Remember that, Jazz? I love watching millennials who can't dial. They're like, how do I do this? How do I make the phone?

Yeah. And you could also do it by hitting the the hang up you know the receiver you could do that like you could dial number that way go one two three four five six seven nine ten that'll be zero one two three yeah it was the same it was the same process you're basically doing it the number when you that's it just connecting and disconnecting what you I told you I was a nerd really my shit. Yeah, that's crazy So you could dial like three two three one five eight six six six six and then later I actually sold for hundreds of guilders at the time

I'd gone elders I'd gone to the US on a vacation family vacation And you had phone dialers which was that do do do do you could have a little address book? Or you could just store a number and you could hold it up to the receiver, and it would dial like a touchtone. There were no touchtone phones in the Netherlands. They only had dial. And what I found out by accident is that if you went to a regular phone booth

and you used the... It would connect without putting any money in. So I was selling this to guys from Israel, from the Middle East. I remember those in the 90s. Through the Swarma stores and everything. I was like, oh, my God. And people were just racking up what would have been thousands and thousands in phone bills for free from public phones.

Was it called phone freaking? Phone freaking, yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Blue boxing, all kinds of shit like that. Do you remember people would have cards and the card would have like a code that you could enter? You would be able to cheat the system and Get free long distance. Oh and satellite dish we had those we had the the hacked cards. Oh, yeah

decryption chips and Gold card people almost gold cards This is an interesting thing about the free market right people don't realize that they're at one point in time when you would call people Like if you wanted to call someone that if you lived in L.A. and you want to call someone in New York, you would have to pay long distance charges. You have to get your long distance carrier. For no reason. For no reason.

Like it wasn't difficult for the company to connect you. No, that's not true. There are reasons because of the phone company structure and they had to break up AT&T for its monopoly. Right. And so in order to have the free market, they had to basically up AT&T for its monopoly. And so in order to have the free market, they had to basically deregulate the long distance service. And that's when MCI came on board and they created competition to the old AT&T. And then with cell phones, there was roaming charges and roaming charges were significant. Outside the tri-state area,

Mr. Curry. Not even outside the tri-state area. When I first got a cell phone was in 1989 or 88, 88, 89. And you had long distance roaming charges when you went to a certain part of the state. So you'd be driving around. Like if I had a gig and I made a phone call from a gig on the way to Western Massachusetts, it was crazy expensive. So my first in-car device was a two-way radio hooked up to the Dutch telecom system. So you'd call and you'd go, Anton 3450. They'd say, Anton 3450, who do you want to call? You'd give them the number, and then they'd patch it through. And you'd have to be calling like, hey, Joe, it's Adam, over.

And you'd be like, hey, Adam, how you doing? It was all government control. It was. Like, yeah. Yeah, but it was all government control. It was very expensive to place that call. And someone could call a number and say, call Anton 3450. What year was this? 82. Wow. No, 83.

You're always ahead of the curve, bro. But I had my first cell phone back then as well. And it was basically a battery this big with that with a handle on it with a little antenna on the back and it had a a car phone thing with a with a wire and you could walk and it was it must have been a 10 a 10 pound battery and you could walk you could just that was the cell phone and then later we got the when i moved to new york in 87 i got the um the motorola star tack no no no no 87 this was still the still the brick yeah I still have the brick I have the RadioShack brick which is even cooler the black one uh and then of course it was at a

certain point before BlackBerry was called RIM RIM Mobile and RIM had this system where you could get an HP digital assistant you know the little thing you you open it up and you had a calendar and you had a little keyboard and it was, you know, a piece of shit like that plastic. You could stick in a card and the card would then connect you to the rim mobile network and you could send messages or emails to someone else who had that system. And my buddy and my partner at the time, Ron Bloom, we were doing a sales call. We're on the plane and, you know, we're poor. So, you know, he's, we're both in coach. He's there. I'm back here, but we're on the plane. And, you know, we're poor, so we're both in coach. He's there. I'm back here.

But we're on the ground. You're like, beep-boop, beep-boop, sending messages back and forth. And people are like, oh, that's fucking cool. That's my buddy up there. Beep-boop, beep-boop. We're flying, right? And this thing's still working while we're in the air because it had, like, a five-watt transmitter or some crazy shit like that. And the pilot comes on like, ladies and gentlemen, we're having some issues with the altimeter here.

Is it possible that everyone just make sure that they have no cell phones or other systems that might be on by accident? And we were the most hated fucking guys in the world. They're like, what? You're going to make us crash. Yeah, that's what they thought. Yeah. Wow. Do you remember that?

You had to shut your phone off when you got on a plane. Yeah. That was always a thing until it wasn't a thing. Then all of a sudden it was fine. And your plane could be on a plane. That was always a thing until it wasn't a thing. Then all of a sudden it was fine. The plane could be on airplane mode. The biggest problem of cell phones, certainly back in the day, was much less for the equipment, but it's the sound that it would make on the radio headsets for the air crew. Oh.

That sound when there's someone with a cell phone. Even here in the studio that could happen. Oh, I remember those sounds. You don't hear that anymore. No, it's all, the technology certainly has improved. Right. I remember that. That was the main problem because you'd pick that up and that would be very irritating.

I forgot about that sound. Yeah. I mean, I witnessed the birth of all this shit. It was so cool. And we were so filled with promise. And we really, you know, the world's going to be accessible. And everything will be at your fingertips. And we're all going to be able to interact and play with children from other lands.

And now we have Twitter. Now we got Twitter. Still, you dismiss it, though. But Twitter has done a lot of wild shit. But people don't have no education. They should be teaching children about the internet how it works how you can use it to your own advantage yeah outside of what is known as the internet you know it's not twitter facebook google etc but let me ask you this what do you think is going to happen with all the censorship the censorship that we experience on youtube and on Twitter and Facebook and all these different

platforms where oftentimes they're wrong. They get things completely wrong, like the lab leak theory. They're censoring people and banning people for these things. Where do you think this all goes? Have you thought this through? Yeah, it's already happening. It's a segregation. The segregation is people will be traveling in groups that are mainstream or not mainstream. And on the street, you won't recognize anyone any differently, but they will have different information or they will share things in different ways. They will probably associate with each other in different venues. And it's just going to be the mainstream versus the non-mainstream.

And it is my belief that the non-mainstream will be much bigger, much larger. But because it's decentralized and you don't have one superstar somewhere, whereas in the news you have your superstars. And the mind control trap that people get caught in of the outrage. I'm outraged. I saw something on Tucker Carlson. I'm going to go on Twitter. I'm going to post that. Oh, fuck that guy.

And then Rachel Maddow sucks. And then someone else. Someone else. See, that's how good people get. Someone going to post that. Oh, fuck that guy. And then Rachel Maddow sucks. And then someone else. Someone else. See, that's how good people get. Someone else is tweeting back at you. All that shit. That's just drugs. That's drugs.

I may want to dip into it from time to time just to see what's going on. But I'm going to be over here with people who are more civilized and the systems are civilized. The systems are not algoized and nudging me into arguments, etc. That's what Mastodon is, the Fediverse. There's no algo. So you come to the end, that's it. If no one posts anything that you're following, you're not going to see something new. You're done, move on, go do your email or something else. That is what people will choose. It will be the path of least resistance ultimately, and it is pure freedom. But with all things freedom, it just takes a little bit of extra effort.

Isn't this best case scenario, though? It's happening now. It's what's happening right now. I don't think it's happening nearly as much as what's happening with Facebook and Twitter and YouTube. It's perception. But these curated social media networks where they do have things that are banned and do have things that will get you demonetized. And the other thing is independent content creators like independent political correspondents

or political journalists. They're being ratioed. They're doing something where they're limiting the amount of reach these people have, whereas they're accentuating the amount of reach that someone like CNN has or some large corporation has. Give people some credit that they'll find alternatives. If you keep bumping your head against the wall, you're eventually going to go and find something else. I give some people credit, but some people I see as those sloppy people outside of that,

on both sides, outside of that on both sides outside of that we spa like hitting each other over the head with skateboards I don't think they're thinking that well but a part of that is um I don't know how large but a part of that is Warhol's 15 minutes you know we are a vain that's one of the the deadly sins is vanity you know greed vanity envy these are very bad things and then vanity takes over when i when i was the pretty boy i knew i was fucking pretty joe i was very vain that's why you're in denial see he's admitting he knew he was pretty of course of course and but back then you downplay that right no of course not but course not. But I knew that. Use it to your advantage. So I think that, again, it's what I've – all I've seen – I know more people who have –

I think everybody knows more people who know someone who has been canceled versus someone who had COVID. Canceling is big. Everyone sees it. It's now a thing. We call it cancel culture. And people are looking for other avenues. Hey, that podcast is gone. I really like that podcast. How do I get to listen to it? Well, you go take this app or that app and you can find it. Or you go over to BitChute or any of these other things. And when that starts to suck, we'll migrate that way. The problem is people who think that they're going to be rich and famous, that's a very, very small amount.

That's like blogs. Remember when blogs started? Sure. Oh, I'm going to be rich. I'm going to be like Andrew Sullivan. It's going to be great. No, of course not. It didn't work out that way.

This is the hit factory. Twitter makes and breaks stars within 45 minutes of being famous to going to be deplatformed. It's a fantastic system. It's entertainment, 100%. And TikTok and Reels is supplanting Hollywood. Hollywood is dead. The business is either in China or it's Netflix and HBO. Oh, that's what I wanted to... What did you think when you saw that John Cena shit? Did that freak you out? No, this is very necessary that we see these things. People who are big fans of movies and sports franchises like the NBA, they have to see that they're the bitch. They're the bitch of some people and not just a corporation,

but of a government. I think it's really good that people see that. It's fantastic. Absolutely. Government. I think it's really good that people see that. It's fantastic. Absolutely. And the other thing I noticed is Hollywood no longer has influence. Influencers have influence. It's the nut job on TikTok that influences. It's the person on Instagram. It's no longer John Legend and Christy Teigen. It's no longer the celebrities have no pull. No one cares. Award shows, dead. No one cares. No one's watching. We're not interested in anything you have to say at all, at all, at all. So it's done. And they're flipping out too. These are big shifts. We did not just go through 15 months of COVID lockdown and, oh, we're okay. Man, shit, we're going to figure it out. We're going to see a lot of stuff has changed. A lot of stuff for good. But the human aspect of, dude, I don't want any part of that. You got to kind of hit the bottom like all drugs. Like, wow. In the Atlantic today, Flanagan, I forget her first name. She quit Twitter for 28 days. It's a pretty interesting

article how she had her son manage that. And she goes through all these withdrawal symptoms that she had during this 28 days. Very smart, educated woman, writer. And so it's a drug. And we just have to recognize it should be labeled, really. I'm fine with Twitter. But it should say, this could be dangerous to your health, mental health, any number of other things. Well, it's definitely addictive in terms of checking to see how people are responding to whatever you put out there. You put something out there and then you respond. I mean, imagine if, like, your podcast,

you were reading responses to everything that you said in real time. I do. We have a chat room which is live, and there's 2,000 or 3,000 people in there, and I see it. And you engage? Oh, they're trolls. I call them trolls. It's the troll room.

You're fucking trolls. How many trolls today? And they love that, and they troll, but they also give me great one-liners. They're doing research on the fly, all kinds of stuff. Interesting. There's no mods. No one kicks anybody out. I can kick someone out for 10 minutes just to fuck with them, which is something I was

used to. I fucking hate you. Boom, you're gone but now it's it's beautiful and do you think that maybe there's some benefit to the way you're doing it and also that like your numbers aren't unmanageable there's like when you say another couple thousand people that's sort of a manageable number of humans not in it not in any type of chat environment. It goes way too fast.

But that's really not the issue. It's moving very quickly. We've never really, just because of Podcasting 2.0, I was able to figure out that we probably have about a million to a million four people listening to each show, which is more than I actually thought. Yeah, I thought, well, 14 years. It's been a long time. That's pretty awesome, though, dude. That's a lot.

And consistent. Twice a week, every week, same day, same time. That's the trick. Consistency. You've got to have consistency. And so a million people a show, but you're not on any of those rankings or any of those podcasts. No, no.

That's what's interesting because that would be very high. You would be ranked very high in those- I think most of that stuff is gamed. I don't ask people to do it. No, it's 100% gamed. We've never asked anyone to do that. It's not interesting. All we needed to know, can we pay the mortgage?

Right. And if no, well, fuck. And we also, a lot goes into it. You can't just do a fucking podcast. A lot goes into this. Certainly for where we are, we have a newsletter that we publish. It goes out the day before every show, which is to say, hey, here's some stuff that's going on. We'll be talking about tomorrow.

Remember to support us. My wife is a semi-retired C-suite level marketing communications officer. She says for nonprofits, always nonprofits, Ronald McDonald House Charities most recently. She says the number one reason why people don't donate to a cause is because the cause didn't fucking ask them to. And you've got to get yourself over that hump. By the way, Roganites, as they're known, who come to our show and donate to no agenda,

hey, I'm a Roganite. We even have a jingle. Do-do-do-do, Rogan donation. Oh, really? Yeah, of course. That's crazy. When someone donates, they sayodoo-doo, Rogan donation. Oh, really? Yeah, of course. That's crazy. When someone donates, they say, I saw you on Rogan. So now they haven't left you.

They're joining our tribe. People from our tribe see you. We talked about that one of these times where it's this crossover, man. That's what's so beautiful. There's people from Dark Horse that listen to you. And I think that's one of the things you were, you pioneered above all is getting other people on your show who had a podcast or inspired them to become a podcaster. That's, that's really, um, a big part of the contribution that you have given to what podcasting is. And people forget that. Uh, and it's not appropriate for every type of format,

but when it comes to ideas and just talking about shit, no matter what the topic, this crossover has just created this beautiful network of web of people who have heard about something. I was on Michael Malice, you know, that came through Tom Woods. You know, these are also all people with great followings who have very different opinions from what is being told in the mainstream. Count that all up. very different opinions from what is being told in the mainstream. Count that all up. I think we're much bigger than the couple hundred thousand that most cable news stations have except for some exceptions. It's an organic network.

Yeah, it took a long time to build, brother. It took a long time. But it's a network without contracts. It's a network without – there's no agreement other than just we're all just cool to each other. One of the things that I recognized in the comedy world early on was that there wasn't, there wasn't the right amount of camaraderie

with comedians because they were thinking of each other as competition rather than thinking of each other as comrades or colleagues or, you know or just fellow participants in this rare art form. I mean, I don't know how many professional comedians there are in the country, but there's less than 1,000. Probably, yeah.

Like real ones who are out there doing it. I mean, there's so few of us. I'm like, we should stick together. Not only that, we inspire each other. Like if I'm around funny people, I wanna work harder. Plus, I love the art form when i'm i go see someone like tom segura or whoever and they're they're killing it makes me feel good i want to i want to laugh i love the art form itself but also it makes me excited about creating and we make each other stronger by supporting each other and by encouraging

people to go see each other. I felt the same thing about podcasting. And there was this weird competition in podcasting initially. Sure. Where like people felt. I got to be number one. Got to be number one. Got to be number one on iTunes.

Got to be the one. Got to be the man. Yeah. It's like even if you are number one. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's all just. And that spirit, when we started podcastindex.org, it's all free open source.

And 50 people now, more, 60 have shown up, software developers who all have day jobs, and they all have an idea. One guy is creating an app, and he thinks he can be successful with this app in one way. Another guy is doing sales statistics and data about podcasts, and he's doing his own thing. And so we're all kind of in this coopetition where we're developing the protocols and the features to be better. And we all have our own little thing where we think we're going to be successful with it. And all of a sudden, there's like a developer conference, and they do like a Zoom call with 25 people. And I look at this like holy fuck here's at least a payroll of 25 million dollars you couldn't find these people and they're more honest

and more courteous to to each other than in a corporate environment it's real people are good man they really there's a lot of great qualities really they are beautiful the problem with corporate environments is it encourages people to think about numbers instead of thinking about people that's the real problem and like we're talking about pharmaceutical companies yeah it's not like The problem with corporate environments is it encourages people to think about numbers instead of thinking about people. That's the real problem. And like we're talking about pharmaceutical companies, it's not like they're all evil. They're just people with families. And there's a diffusion of responsibility when you have a corporation that has hundreds of thousands of employees and you're just one person making decisions and pushing buttons. It's also compartmentalization.

You don't really know what's going on. That's what the government is very good at. CIA is extremely good. You know this. That guy knows that. No one has the full picture. And there's an obligation to your shareholders to maximize profits. That's your main obligation. I took my company public in 1996 on NASDAQ. And the early days, way before the dot-com boom. And it was one of the most interesting and simultaneously disappointing experiences of my life. Because I thought this was, wow, I'm in the big leagues. I'm going public on fucking NASDAQ. We're a publicly listed company. And the shenanigans and the lying and the cheating at that level of publicly listed companies was astounding.

Where a guy would look at you, we got a deal. It's done. Consider it done. We put out a press release, which is a big deal if you're a public company. And the guy just turns on and fucks you. Premeditated. Or accounting shenanigans. Or stock shenanigans.

How stock prices are manipulated.'s this is why GameStop exists this is the same young mainly men but a lot of women as well who are disillusioned GameStop is part of Bitcoin I would say GameStop is we see we know that you have that you're cheating on these companies like GameStop and AMC, et cetera, Nokia. You're cheating. You have a lot of shares that you say you have, but they're not really in the system. So we're going to show you and we're going to fuck you by buying all the shares that are available so your short position goes through the roof. And look, it didn't end. GameStop is still at like $200, $300.

And now other hedge funds have come in and they're eating themselves. So this game is over. The whole stock market is, if you look at the DTCC, it's the clearinghouse. There's probably a thousand times more shares of every company that is traded than actually exists It's all in the system. It's all fucking bullshit options. Oh, this is what? The overstock CEO he he's he what's his name? Forget him. He got a weird reputation because he was pro Trump I should know his name because he was pro-Trump. Fuck, I should know his name.

Nah, Overstock. Jonathan E. Johnson? That's not like a fake guy. No, the ex-CEO. That guy's a bot. The ex-CEO. Doesn't matter. It's shenanigans.

And I think that the driving force behind Bitcoin... Patrick Byrne. Patrick Byrne, yeah. The driving force behind Bitcoin is a lot of these very same older millennials who said, okay, I just got fucked throughout my whole life. This is my destiny. My dollar purchasing power is devaluing by 10% a year just by inflation. It's real. And part of that is printing money. printing money. So unless I get a raise of 10% a year, I'm not going to be able to buy a house. So enter, and this is why the history of money is interesting, enter Bitcoin, which went from a white paper to a currency in El Salvador and Paraguay may be coming next within 10 years. This is a story. Actual money in countries from an idea, and no one owns it. It's completely decentralized. You can't change it. You can't fuck with it. And I see young people putting money into

this and thinking, I'll check in 10 years. I'm not worried about what happens now. And I was a non-believer. People sent me all kinds of Bitcoins, like whatever, Beanie Babies is what I thought. And I had 65 and I sold them at $1,000. Like, wow, this is fucking great. I can't believe this scam. Now we're today at like 34, 35. It'll probably go over 100 by the end of the year. I mean, it's math. If you really look at what it is and you apply financial math, it's a great hedge against any other fiat currency like the dollar or the euro, etc. And there are a lot of smart kids out there who have seen this and are driving this. And they're driving it with memes.

And Tim Dillon's a part of this. Bitcoin 2021 in Miami was a big meme fest, but it worked. It's crazy. 2021 in Miami was a big meme fest, but it worked. It's crazy shit. You got it It's there's something big happening here There's for obvious reasons not really being discussed in the mainstream and that's truly what the movement behind Bitcoin is But don't you think the people in the mainstream a lot of them are just still skeptical that it's gonna stick Because you can't buy everything with it. You can't it took me that it's going to stick because you can't buy everything with it.

It took me seven years before I said, oh, shit. And I had to read the Bitcoin standards. I had to Max Keiser may be a crazy fuck, but you get him together with Stacy who keeps him on the rails. And the guy is a genius. He really sees through a lot of what is coming and he understands how the financial scams work. And there's things that you don't know, like Lightning, the Lightning Network, which is literally Venmo for Bitcoin. That exists now.

That's how we're doing the podcasting 2.0 streaming payments. It goes instantaneously, almost no fee done. It's real quick. But mainly people are using it to invest in and just as a store of wealth or a store of value. And I'm 56. I'm going to be 57 in September. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to do everything I can to support Bitcoin. It's my daughter too. Support this generation, support their vision, try and make it work, give them applications, a streaming podcast that's an actual people using Bitcoin to exchange value. I like your show.

I'm giving you this much in return. So your show, is it financed by Bitcoin? No, no, no. So Podcasting 2.0 is the ability for anyone to set up a wallet and use one of the new apps, newpodcastapps.com, and while someone's listening, they can determine, oh, I'm going to send X amount per minute to that person. So when I stop listening, the money stops. What is newpodcastapps? Newpodcastapps.com. It's just a domain name I registered. There's like 20 different apps and

services, all of them with great features and a lot of them with this value for value. And are they Android and Apple? Oh, yeah. So this is it right here? Yeah, there you go. So Podcast Attic. I've used Podcast Attic before. Yeah.

I mean, there's a shit ton of them. And you also see a lot of the hosting companies that support it. It's been quite a movement. But just like podcasting in the beginning beginning it can take years and years and years This went much faster than I expected to be quite honest. These are all the people that are on the inside They understand they're all they're all making it work. Yeah, they're all contributing making it better It's stunning how many people were talking about though? Like when you were telling me the numbers that you get per download I'm like, that's a lot. That's a lot. Well, you know, your numbers were pretty big before we didn't know the numbers that you get per download, I'm like, that's a lot. That's a lot. Well, you know, your numbers were pretty big

before we didn't know the numbers. I mean, big numbers. It's big fucking numbers. Yeah, but it was more mainstream, right? It was on the Apple thing, and it was, you know. But it's no longer about, if you're looking for money with, if you're looking for money at all,

podcast, nothing is for you in general. Most people will not be successful with any type of media venture you're not cut out for. It's just the fact, you know, boo-hoo. But if you have a message and you understand how to convey it and people are interested, it is much easier, this is kind of the only fans example, it's much easier to make a decent living off of a thousand people who support you directly. Patreon is a very good example of this. The problem is Patreon can also de-platform you. That's the piece that I remove with the Bitcoin. Patreon proves it. Crowdfunding proves that people are willing to put their money where

their mouth is and say, I want this product. I'll prepay you to get it. And I don't know how many of them fail, but there's a lot of disappointment there. But this is alternatives to all systems that we have currently. What I tell people about podcasting is you can't make money in podcasting if you're trying to do podcasting to make money. Yeah. But if you want to do a good job, if you just want to make a great podcast and you just keep doing it, you probably will. I can't guarantee. You probably will make money. You must ask your listeners,

or as we call them, producers, to support you. You must ask them. And what I found works early on with no agenda, if you say, support me with five bucks a month, you get a lot of people who send you five bucks a month. If you say, make it a number meaningful to you, whatever you thought this show was worth, how much value was it.

You get a lot of people who send you five bucks. Some will send you 50 and some will send you 500. You will make more money if you let the price discovery over to the value. If you let the person who's about to, who has consumed that determine what it's worth to them. Some people spend 50 bucks like it's five cents and they also listen to my show our show some people i mean we have crazy numbers sometimes and so your newsletter is basically like things that you find interesting or worthy of discussion

stuff that's going to come up in the next show it's a tease it's a tea and a reminder support the show hey we're going to do the show tomorrow. And of course we thank people in the show. We don't have ad breaks, but we, we stop and we thank people. We tell them exactly how much money they sent in. You can calculate it, but they usually have very interesting notes. And these notes are from the field and people have expertise in all kinds of different areas and they have something to say. I find it very, very valuable content. Well, it's a good relationship that you have, that's for sure. It's very interesting the way you're doing that. I like it a lot. And I think it's very pure in that there's no one other than those people that you have to

answer to. Yeah. And they've built their own language and code around everything. If you don't donate, but you listen, you're a douchebag. I didn't make that up. We have a jingle. Hey, here's my donation and called Jim out as a fucking douchebag. Douchebag. You can get de-douched. I mean, there's all these little things.

So you get de-douched if you start contributing? Of course. If you ask for it, you say, hey, here's my money. De-douche me. We'll play the de-douche jingle. Of course. You have a de-douche jingle. You've been dedouched

of course that's hilarious we have karma all kinds of uh different things well it's interesting to me that you know you were the first and you have been doing this for so long and this is where you've come to this is the sort of the conclusions that you've drawn and this is like where you've decided to wind up and it seems like you're in a really good place. It seems like you're very happy with how everything is. Can I ask you? Yes. Yeah. How are you experiencing your move into Texas and in Austin?

I love it. I'm so happy to hear that. I fucking love it here. Because I feel a little bit responsible. You are. You are. You hyped it up. I did.

And then I left. You met the mayor and everything. Man, you're rocking and rolling here. I met the governor. I got drunk with the governor. Abbott seems like a pretty cool guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy.

I like him a lot. I love it here. Was he really? You got drunk with him? Yeah, we ate barbecue and drank whiskey. Did you fuck with his wheelchair and roll him around really fast? No, that would be rude. That would be hilarious.

I'm not interested in doing that. My first gig was a hospital radio station when I was 15. It was a closed circuit station. That's where I got my chops because I was a real professional. And so it was one night a week. And then my buddy and I did the show together. We had to audition and go through all. I was 15.

Like, oh, I can be this. But what we do is we take these request forms out and hand them out to all the patients because they had three channels, the three government channels. And then number four, that was Radio tulipa in the in the tulip hospital and we were so bored with this whole process of handing the shit out but we said why don't we take the kids down because the studio was in the corner of like an auditorium and we'll roll the beds down and then they can sit there they can watch us and i don't know what happened but at certain point, it was Iggy Pop's lust for life. And we're playing bumper beds with these kids.

And they're tripping out. And it's like fucking mayhem. That's when I learned how to reinsert an IV. Which is like, whoa, sorry, kid. Jesus Christ. So I love that kind of interaction. That's the best. So I grew up in, I didn't grow up, but really Jersey, where I was for a lot of years.

I have a Jersey mentality, which is certainly South Jersey. Hey, it's Ray the Cripple. It's Curry the Tickmeister. It's all that shit. We always call out the thing that's most obvious about you and then just put it in your face and it becomes normal. Right. And then it's okay. What the fuck, man?

We're all just bros. Yeah. People don't think that that's the case today. No, it's very politically incorrect i know sensitive i know well i wish we weren't that sensitive but luckily we can still be that way and joke and have a good time and laugh yeah we need more of that well i think the other thing about what you're doing with your community is you've kind of established an ethic right you've established a way to to to communicate and to be able to have fun

and fuck around with each other. And it's so across all age groups and religions and sexuality. We have an official transgender of the No Agenda show, you know, accept no substitutes. And there's many of them. I don't know.

They have meetups every single weekend. There's a meetup around the world where they're just getting together. 10, 15, 20, sometimes bigger. Just to chat. And very different opinions. But no one's triggered because you're right. We have this language, this parlance. We're like, it's okay, bro.

Well, that's one thing that does give me hope about podcasting is that podcasts, this podcast, yours yours many others but you can have people of differing political persuasions absolutely have conversations and be civil with each other yeah i've had people on this podcast that i fucking violently disagree with sure and i you disagree with me today even on things yeah slightly sure what did we disagree about i don't know some of the things about like the uh nefarious intent whether or not these things are actual conspiracies or whether or not people are just taking advantages of situations and it could appear to be conspiracy i mean maybe i'm naive or maybe uh i'm just pointing out human nature well the world the world's history is pretty violent and bloody um and there's war

and violence and blood and and all kinds of shit going on at this very moment and we just don't think about it a lot of real conspiracies yeah and we think about our own shit what's happening right now when we're being told to be quiet and you know take your soma yeah take your soma take your soma and you'll be good yeah that's that's kind of what it is. But I really appreciate what you do, Joe, and for having me on again, man. And again, I'm your fucking Tony Randall. I'm your Regis Philbin. I'll come in. I'll bring it, whatever topic.

I can do it. Fika sing and dance. I love that. I appreciate you very much, brother. You're a voice of reason out there. It means a lot to me. Thank you, Joe. Thanks for being here.

Tell people how to get to your show. What's the URL? Yeah, so the two things, noagendashow.net and podcastindex.org. And that's who I am. That's what I'm about right now. Love and peace. And Instagram? No, I don't do Instagram.

Good for you. Twitter. But Twitter's just an inbox. It's a way for people. I don't look at the timeline. Okay. But Mastodon. Or adam at noagendasocial.com.

You can follow me from any Mastodon anywhere in the Fediverse. All right. The Fediverse. All right. That's it. Thanks, brother. Thank you, sir. Bye, everybody.