The Joe Rogan Experience - #1699 - Meghan Murphy

Episode Date: August 20, 2021

Meghan Murphy is a freelance writer, and journalist. She is also the founder of the "Feminist Current" website and the host of "The Same Drugs" podcast.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Hello. Hi. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very nice to meet you. It's great to meet you. I'm really excited to be here. We've talked about you eight or ten times. I know, it drives me crazy. Does it? I'm like, I want to talk here. We've talked about you eight or ten times. I know, it drives me crazy. Does it? I'm like, I want to talk too.

What is your impression of the way people are interpreting what happened to you? Well, I was really frustrated when Jack, and I don't know how to say her name properly, and I'm going to muck it up. Jack and the head of safety. Vidja, is that how you say it?

Vidja, yes. Let's tell people the story of what happened.ya, is that how you say it? Vidya. Vidya, yes. Let's tell people the story of what happened. Okay. You want some of this? Yes. Okay, so let me. This is my favorite booze, and not just my favorite Mexican booze, my all-time favorite booze.

And nobody likes it except for me. So even in Sayulita, which is, oh, this is where I'm living now. I just outed myself we could edit it out if you want no no that's cool that's cool no that's cool leave it in okay but this is like a sipping drink so be very

like reserved cheers sipping drink yeah like don't take a big gulp yo this is Mexican moonshine yeah it's Mexican moonshine A sipping drink. Yeah, like don't take a big gulp. Yo. This is Mexican moonshine. Yeah, it's Mexican moonshine. Wow. So it's from the agave plant, which is like the same.

You like it hard, lady. This is hard stuff. I really like it, and I don't know what's wrong with me, honestly, because it's not like I love hard alcohol. It makes you feel warm inside though right yeah for sure that's your reaction I can only imagine what it is like it's 40% alcohol yeah what is that 80 proof that's 80 proof right isn't it like double yeah but the percent isn't is that how it works yeah

right that's what that moonshine was we used to drink I think oh it is it's literally moonshine like you should try drink, I think. It is. It's literally moonshine. You want to try it? You should try it. I just want to see your reaction. I love forcing people to try it and then seeing what they do. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Calm down. Oh, you got a cheers, Jamie.

We all cheers. Cheers. You're welcome. Thank you. That was a cheers. Cheers. You're welcome. Thank you. That was a joke. Holy. Yeah, right? It smells like you're going to clean something.

Yeah. Something bad like blood. This is how we stay healthy in Mexico. Oh, okay. I guess it works. You just clean everything out. I can't even drink it. It's too, like, I just took a sniff as I was going to go up and like.

It's rough. It's like three times a tequila shot, it feels like, in one. Yeah, it's exactly what it feels like. What is it called? I believe you. I would say it's an acquired taste, but I loved it immediately, so. Estancia? Okay, so it's from, it's specific to the region.

So I live in Sayulita because I ran away from China. I mean, Canada. I live in Sayulita because I ran away from China. I mean, Canada. But, like, so it's, like, an hour away from Puerto Verde. And it's in the state of Nayarit. So this booze is specific to that state. And, yeah, it's not like, like, I don't love, like, chugging vodka or gin or anything like that.

Like, I do like, like, scotch and whiskey and whatever. Right. But for whatever reason, I really love this. And everyone else thinks I'm like a psychopath. Because I'll be like, try it. It's the best. And they're like, why are you feeding me gasoline? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe it represents change to you.

Because it's like you're in this new place and you got fed up with these draconian vancouver or canadian restrictions and yeah and you're just like and i was like i'm gonna go get wasted in mexico live my life i actually genuinely like i find it like sweet this stuff sweet this is not did you also find it sweet? It's rugged. I took a couple of sips and I'm lit. My eyes are watering. I have to be careful because I'll get drunk. You didn't drink it at all?

I can't. I can't. I will vomit probably. I'll just spit it out because I don't want to do it. So let's go to your story. Okay. Explain to everybody what happened with you. Okay.

I mean, I'm not sure how far back you want me to start, but... You're getting kicked off Twitter. Okay, so, I mean, I was one of the only people in Canada who was talking about gender identity critically. I'm not saying that to big myself up. It was very annoying because I obviously was, like, targeted. So there was Jordan Peterson who spoke out and then there was me and then there was like a couple other people. And I was pretty vocal about it.

I first started talking about it back in like 2016, 2017, because the liberal government was pushing through Bill C-16, which was our gender identity legislation. pushing through Bill C-16, which was our gender identity legislation. So they were trying to, and succeeded in, because the bill passed, incorporate gender identity into the human rights code and the criminal code. And I went and testified against that bill to say, like, this bill shouldn't pass. It'll have a negative impact on women's rights, which of course it did. For people who don't know what the bill, what it means, could you explain what it means?

Because some folks aren't hip to the argument. Right, sorry, I shouldn't say that. And also that Canada, we should explain, Canada does not have a First Amendment. So you don't have freedom of speech over there. You have a Human Rights Council, right? And then if laws violate,

if rather some of your speech violates the laws that they put in place, you can literally be arrested. Yeah, you can you go through a human rights tribunal. And so, I mean, the law didn't actually it was very vague. didn't actually it was very vague like it didn't specifically say for example you know if you misgender somebody that's a hate crime or hate speech or something like that all it did was to say that gender identity and gender expression essentially needed to be protected under the law just like whatever race um other sort of marginalized identities or whatever. And what we thought would happen, which did happen, is that it would sort of direct policy.

And it would mean that, you know, anybody could use any bathroom or change room. It would mean that men would have to be allowed in transition houses and women's shelters if they identified as women. It would mean that men could be transferred to female prisons if they identified as women. Essentially, like to me, the concept of gender identity nullifies sex. Like you can't have both. You can't say either you are a woman and you're a woman because you're female or you identify as a woman. You can't you can't do both. And then anybody, of course, can identify as a woman because you're female or you identify as a woman you can't you can't do both and then anybody of course can identify as a woman um i'm sort of going about this a long way but um

yeah i was just worried about the implications uh i testified at the senate jordan peterson are you okay yeah and so essentially like i was the loudest feminist voice in Canada by far. And I was tweeting about these issues. I was asking questions about gender identity. I was sort of saying, like, what does this mean? Like, I said one of the tweets that my account was locked down for was, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman? Um,

and I wasn't saying that to try to be rude. Right. Um, I was saying like, somebody please explain what happens to a man between him being a man and then him being a trans woman. Do you know what I mean? Like if he hasn't had any surgeries or anything like that, not that I think that a surgery can change your sex, but like, what is it?

So now yesterday he was a man. Today he identifies as a woman or a trans woman. What's happened here? What does this mean? Like it was just so nonsensical. It's just a belief system. It can get even worse. Right.

But you can decide to go back and forth throughout the day. Yeah. I mean, people have People have allowed that. This is also accepted. Like you can be gender fluid and you can be gender fluid depending upon your mood multiple times a day. Right. And yeah, and that's what the concept of gender identity does. It's just an identity.

It's just something you say. Right. Like it could be something you feel, but it's just a proclamation. There's no material reality involved. There's nothing concrete. There's nothing you can point to. You know, essentially, like it's, it's akin to a religion as far as I'm concerned. It's faith based, right? So, you know, I feel like these laws are in a way sort of enforcing religion on people like it's like they're enforcing this like faith based woke religion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of ways. I mean, you could call it progressive, but it's, of course, not progressive. It's just weird and nonsensical and has a terrible impact on women. and nonsensical and has a terrible impact on women. But so one of the tweets that I was locked down for was that one. You know, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman?

Just a question. Yeah. And so they suspended you for that. So they, yeah, they locked down my account and they're like, you have to delete this tweet if you want your account back. I appealed it. It was every time I've appealed anything, it's just been totally ignored. They don't explain why. They never tell me what rules I break either or did break. Right. Like they never said they say

hateful conduct, but they don't say, oh, it's this specific rule. Like you're not allowed to misgender or dead name or whatever it would be. I mean, I don't even know what rule that would break saying like, what's the difference between a man and a trans woman? The other tweet of course was men aren't women, which wasn't targeted at anybody. I wasn't saying you're not a woman. It was like part of a thread. It was part of a conversation that was back and forth. And I was like,

but men aren't women. That was one of them that got me locked down again. And then. Which is crazy. Well, yeah. Like we're literally like denying biology i mean so what i think i don't know because again no one's really explained anything to me no one

from twitter has communicated with me no one said what i did wrong so i'm just guessing can i tell you what they said yeah they said that you were told to delete the tweet but you took a screenshot of it and you deleted it but then reposted the screenshot i did do that i didn't know that i wasn't allowed to do that when i did that so i wasn't trying to be a dick like i wasn't trying to be like fuck you i was so mad i was like are you fucking serious like i got banned for saying like men aren't women for asking these really basic questions that was their justification to me as to why they banned you for the rest of your life. Well, fair, fair.

Which is fucking bananas. Yeah. There's the example that I bring up when I talk about this idea that you can just ban people for saying things that are factually correct. Maybe politically insensitive, you know, dependent upon the current climate. But factually correct. Biologically correct. Scientifically correct. Maybe you might say that it's not kind. There's certain rules that we want to apply in regards to progressive thinking that bypass or supersede biology.

Is that what we're doing? Because when you say a man, if you say a man is never a woman, that's what you said? Men aren't women. Men aren't women. Men aren't women. That's a fact. Men are not women. Now, I believe in trans women.

I think there are people that have gender dysphoria. And I think there are people that are happier if they identify as a woman, dress as a woman, are treated like a woman, or use a woman's name and people describe them as a woman. It's obviously real, right? They obviously exist. I think, I mean, sure. woman it's it's obviously real right there they obviously exist i think i mean sure like i could buy that there's such a thing as gender dysphoria so you have some kind of like mental condition or mental illness i'm not trying to be mean i swear to god like people get like triggered if you say like a mental illness but i'm like you literally think you're something that you're not

like you literally believe you're a male. You actually believe you're a woman. That's a form of mental illness. Fine. It doesn't mean you're a bad person. And I don't care. If you want to dress in women's clothes, if you want to wear makeup, if you want to get cosmetic surgeries, if you want to change your name, go for it. Like, do whatever makes you feel better. That's fine.

But I'm not going to lie to comfort you or whomever else. So I don't even agree that gender dysphoria means there's such a thing as a trans woman. To me, this concept doesn't make any sense. What's a trans woman? What does it mean? Do you have to be on hormones? Do you have to have a bunch of surgeries? Do you have to have a neo-vagina?

It's weird because like this it's very strict that you must accept that people are trans women but then like what defines a trans woman is completely open to interpretation it's it's the the person who decides whatever identity they identify with a male female whatever it is it's to them. It's up to them whether they have surgery. It's up to them whether they take hormones. It's up to them, whatever. You can do absolutely nothing. You could have a full beard and say you're a woman with a penis, functional testicles, no problem at all. And you could say you're a woman and everyone has to agree. Speaking of which, the final tweet that I was actually banned for.

So they locked me down for those two things, right? And then the final straw for them was when I said, yeah, it's him. In reference to Jessica Yaniv, who was once Jonathan. If you recall, he was the man in Vancouver who was going around to local estheticians and asking them to give him a brazilian bikini wax yeah um and he is fully a man i mean fully a man intact testicles intact penis yeah everything i mean beard and also a crazy person and a major fucking creep like and he is messaging these women on face, I think sometimes under a fake photo and name. So maybe with a woman's photo and woman's name that's not him.

And then they would realize that he was a man. I guess maybe if they talked to him on the phone or something like that. And they'd be like, no, sorry, we don't offer this service to men. And he would accuse them of transphobia and essentially try to extort money out of them. And when that didn't work, I guess he decided he wanted to, I mean, again, he's a crazy person, so we can't take this as representative of very much other than the fact that he's like a grifter and a crazy person. But, you know, to take them all to the Human Rights Tribunal to say he's being discriminated against. But this is exactly, exactly the perfect example of what happens if you just say anybody is

a woman and you just have to accept it. He has a penis, he has balls, he obviously looks like a man. At that time, he was still using his male name in various places, like on Facebook, some other places. I think on Twitter at that time, he was maybe using both names. But there was nothing to show me that he was a woman. So I said, yeah, it's him. I figured out that it was him. And then I was permanently banned. Yeah. And that was in November. And that was it. I appealed. They were like, nope, sorry, hateful conduct. Again, didn't tell me what rule I broke. 20 minutes after I was banned,

I was banned on Friday night. I was at the bar. I was like, what the fuck? I'm trying to have fun. 20 minutes after I was banned, Pink News, which is like a LGBT queer news site, they posted an article saying, Twitter has a new rule against misgendering and dead naming. And I was like, oh, this is a really funny coincidence that this went out 20 minutes after I was banned for some rule that they didn't specify, but I can only assume was misgendering.

Yeah. Misgendering a man who's a predator and who is still going by his male name in various places on the internet. Whoops. So, I mean, he should have been banned too for misgendering himself. Good point. Thank you.

It's just so weird because it's the one area that there's no room for, there's no room for interpretation. There's no room for debate or nuance it's just like you cannot misgender you cannot dead name you cannot like and you're cruel and horrible if you do yeah they're cruel and horrible to you well yeah i mean the things that people aren't banned for on twitter i mean i have been like subject to countless death

threats like you should die you get the wall you should go to the gula like people show you know like people say horrible things to me online i honestly don't care like i'm like it's the internet people say horrible things i'm not gonna crumble or feel hurt or offended because somebody says some bullshit to me on twitter but you can't even say he to somebody who's declared themselves a woman or you're essentially guilty of hate speech. But they can call you a stupid bitch. And worse. Yeah, and worse.

Believe it or not. What's worse? Like cunt? I don't know. Oh, there you go. Kill yourself, you TERF cunt. I've gotten that one. Oh, that TERF is my favorite.

Trans-exc exclusionary radical feminist yeah yeah which i mean so many of those things that people love those little acronyms too because it like makes them feel like they're a part of like some little group that knows these things and other people don't know these things and yeah and that that acronym doesn't even make sense because it's applied like i don. I'm not a radical feminist. I've never identified as a radical feminist. I don't have anything against radical feminists per se. What is a radical feminist versus a regular feminist?

I mean, technically, the word radical is meant in this context to get at the root. So the difference radical feminists would say the difference between radical feminism and like liberal feminism would be that they want to upend the whole system of patriarchy rather than just changing some of the surface things like legislation and things like that. They want to they want there to be a revolution. Burn it all down. Yeah. They're like the Antifa of feminists. I mean, I don't think most of them are violent. But some of them are probably violent, or some of them would want a violent revolution to overthrow the patriarchy. Even when Antifa is violent, they're violent, like, you know, little small doughy people.

You just think that because you know that you could beat them up. But I don't think that when they're... You think they're violent? Like, yes. Yeah. I think they're violent, too. I think they're quite scary. And, again, a lot of them seem really unstable.

Like, they've shown up at my events before to protest. And they're quite threatening. And, you know, I kind of do find them scary because i find them unhinged yeah and they obviously have perpetrated violence like antifa was responsible for a whole bunch of violence during all the blm stuff in the summer um and i you know i'm not as strong as you are because I'm female. I also don't work out as much as you. But, you know, like if a scrawny like Antifa guy wanted to beat me up, he probably could. Right.

Yeah, it's there's a weird like misfits revenge aspect to what they're doing. Yes. Because they're all misfits. They're all like either like really fat or really scrawny and really fucked up and they're wearing masks and screaming nonsensical shit and loving the fact that they found others like them

and that they're all willing to participate in this anarchy and trying to burn it all down. And because of their cute little name, anti-fascist, like how could you disagree with them? Why do you love fascism yeah it's like it's like antifa is anti-fascist and i've seen actually cnn buy into that like no they're misfits that are trying to burn down seattle courthouses like this is not this is not anti-fascist in fact if you follow the definition

of fascism they're they're literally trying to enforce their ideals upon other people. Right. I mean, this is the same thing. People accuse me of bigotry. They accuse all sorts of people of bigotry because they have, you know, non-approved progressive opinions. Yeah. And meanwhile, they're the most intolerant people ever. And I'm like, no, actually, like, if you just Google the definition of the word bigot,

what you're doing is literally bigotry. You're intolerant of different opinions. And lack of compassion. That's a big aspect of a lot of this stuff. It's like I always used to think of progressive people and people with progressive ideas as being compassionate people. ideas as being compassionate people. That's the reason why they had these progressive ideas, whether it's about welfare or whether it's about civil rights or equal rights, whatever it is. I thought it was like compassionate, kind people that wanted other people to have better opportunities and do better. But when you realize that it's, no, it's people who have decided upon a tribe

and they've subscribed to a predetermined set of opinions. And then they use that to be a fucking douchebag and attack other people. That's a lot of what's going on with the right and the left with both sides. I mean, it's interesting because what they're doing is they're seeking power. Like, I totally think you're right. I think these are like ugly loser misfits who were unpopular in high school and are really fucking pissed off and want to get their revenge and so they're using politics to do it um yes but you know i like so i was a leftist my entire life

i identified when i was a teenager i think i identified as like a marxist um and then as a socialist um only recently like within the past couple of years, have I been like, I don't think this is great. Like, first of all, I don't want anything to do with these people. But second of all, like, I don't know if capitalism is like the worst thing in the world. But I subscribed to these beliefs because I thought we were the nice people. I thought we were the people who cared about people's well-being and happiness, about, obviously, equality and justice. And I never even knew any right-wing people my whole life. I grew up in Vancouver, which is a very progressive place.

My parents were super progressive. You know, I grew up atheist. Like, I didn't know religious people. I didn't know right wing people. I almost really never even thought about them that much, but I just had decided like, so I understand these people because I used to be like that.

Like I just thought that anybody that didn't see things my way were stupid, were assholes or were greedy. You know, like you just don't care about helping out poor people. You just care about yourself. And, you know, obviously over the past few years, I've seen the light. And, you know, the left claims to be anti-hierarchy, right?

Which is stupid. Like hierarchies are natural. You can't be anti-hierarchy. right? Which is stupid. Like hierarchies are natural. You can't be anti-hierarchy. That's not how the world works. It's not how nature works. But they claim to be opposed to power essentially. And meanwhile, all that they're doing is trying to hold power over everybody else and force everybody else to not even, I don't even know if they care that people believe what they're saying. They just want them to say it.

They just want them to repeat the mantras like they're in a cult. Right. There's a big aspect, a big cult-like aspect to this. Yeah. Yeah. It's a strange time because through social media, people get to find other people that agree with them and they form these little attack groups they form these little echo chambers and they reinforce their opinions and and they use that to target people that they find that disagree with them or they

find that have opposing viewpoints and the way they do it it's really nasty it's really nasty and really shitty and it's not compassionate at all it's not in aligned with anything that i ever thought of as being progressive or being open-minded or liberal it's not like that it's like they're they're using their ideological differences they have with other people as an excuse to be a shitty person. And they've been doing this to me forever. Like this was a more famous moment. But when I was writing for this like Canadian left wing progressive news site back in 2015, I was an editor there too, actually. They started these Toronto progressives started a petition to have me fired um and accused me of all sorts of things they accused me of being horophobic you know afraid of prostitutes you're a horophobic i'm not just a transphobe i'm also

a horophobe i never heard of that one before yeah this has been going on for a while you're a horophobe i'm not a horror phobe but they okay so how did you get laid there is some context for this because i'm scared of prostitutes i'm joking i don't have an irrational fear of prostitutes um i'm so most of my work before i started writing about gender identity i was writing about like I run a feminist website for 10 years now. I would write mostly about like violence against women, domestic abuse, but I did a lot of writing around pornography and prostitution. And, you know, I'm opposed to the porn industry. I personally don't like porn, but I think the porn industry is like pretty disgusting and exploitative and unethical.

I think it's obviously incredibly misogynistic. It's racist. I think porn. I know you didn't ask me about this, but too bad. I think porn is bad for men. I think it's bad for relationships for the most part. In any case, I did a lot of writing around pornography, about prostitution. I advocate for a model that's called the Nordic model, which criminalizes essentially the exploiters. So it criminalizes pimps, johns,

brothel owners, traffickers, and decriminalizes the women. So it sees women as essentially victims of prostitution for the most part. Of course, I'm aware that some women choose it and tries to punish the people who take advantage of vulnerable women, essentially. And this is why I was labeled a whorephobe. And this is what the left was really angry at me about for the most part but they also of course accused me of being like a white supremacist and a transphobe and everything else because they like to just pile everything i was talking to my friend ari about

this and he was saying that he knows people in new york specifically where girls have men that they have sex with for money. They've become friends with them, and they have these little relationship deals with them where they'll meet them, and then maybe these guys have other relationships, or maybe these guys are really busy and they don't want a relationship for whatever reason. They just want to pay for sex and have it a clean transaction,

and these women will do it with several different guys, and that is how they get by. And they like it. They don't have pimps. They don't have prostitutes. And this sounds very utopian, right? It sounds like very best-case scenario for the girl, best-case scenario for the guy.

We're painting this with rose colored glasses, right? Like, everybody loves it. It's great. There's no, no icky side effects and there's no misogyny and there's no, right. Yeah. In that scenario, are you okay with that? So, okay is not. I'm not going to tell a woman not to do that.

Right. That's what she wants to do. That's her own prerogative. If it genuinely makes her happy, then go for it. If it's better than working at Wendy's. Well, and it is better than working at Wendy's financially, probably. I think that that relationship and that transaction is totally unhealthy and inhumane. And I think that it obviously treats sex as something that is separate from the human.

And I'm not saying that... Separate from the human? So you're having sex with somebody, but you're not engaging in a relationship with them. You're just using their body, essentially. Which I think is weird because we're more than just bodies. We're not like, you know, our brains are, you know, it's all connected. We have emotions. We have desires.

We have feelings. And I think if you're having sex with somebody, you sort of need to be accountable to them in some way and be considering that they have feelings and desires and needs of their own. I don't think that it's healthy for sex to be treated as just a physical thing. And I'm not saying, like, sex can sex to be treated as just a physical thing. And I'm not saying like sex can't just be fun and just a physical thing. Like I've had lots of casual sex in my life. How dare you? Everybody. How dare you? Hundreds and thousands of people. But, you know, I don't think it has to be like this romantic exchange every time. It's not like you have to

be married, like you have to be like staring into each other's eyes and like, I love you, I love you, I love you. But I think that it's a really unhealthy thing for society to normalize sex as being something transactional. And I think these women probably are going to have problems down the line. Like it's like, yeah, right now this might be fine. Same thing with women who do porn are like, oh yeah, this is fine. Great. And it's like, okay, talk to me in 10 years and tell me how you feel when you reflect back. Like the decisions that we make, we can make all sorts of bad decisions when we're 20. And this can be applicable to probably casual sex, too.

But I think that there are kind of mental and emotional repercussions from engaging in those kinds of relationships that people pretend don't exist um i don't think that it could make you feel really good about yourself when a man is like paying for access to your body and not considering you as a human and how you feel and what you actually want and you're having sex that you don't enjoy why would you want to have sex that you don't enjoy exclusive how do you know they don't enjoy it what if you do have why would they be getting paid if they were into it because the like if i wanted to have sex with somebody i wouldn't be like okay well give me some money i'd want to have sex with them like well you're not a hoe thank you that's true i mean i i think we're making it we're narrowly defining these exchanges, you know, and I'm not in support of prostitution. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. question feminism and the work that I was doing because I started to feel like there were questions

that I couldn't answer and I wasn't being challenged enough. So I appreciate you challenging me on this stuff, but I've sort of started to move away from feminism a bit in the past few years, partly because I just felt like I was repeating myself over and over and over again and like preaching to the choir and none of these people were asking me any questions. And I was repeating myself over and over and over again and like preaching to the choir and none of these people were asking me any questions and I was like if I was having an argument with somebody who like didn't believe in patriarchy they were like what's what's a patriarchy I was like would I be able to answer that question I don't actually think I can so maybe I should stop saying this word over and over and over again it's a word that sort of uh

it's supposed to put the brakes on any argument. You know, like, it's one of those words like, because of the patriarchy. Yeah. Oh, because of the patriarchy. Yeah. Tell me about that. It's one of those things where, like, if you ask someone to define, like, what exactly do you mean by that? Yeah.

Like, things can get real dicey. And I couldn't. And I can't. And I can't. And so I've stopped using that word. Well, the idea is that like men are controlling everything, right? Which is very disempowering for women, especially women that are very successful. It's like, how did they get there? Did they get there because men let them?

Or did they get there because there are certain aspects of society that are a meritocracy? And that should be a meritocracy. Like this is what i was saying about hierarchy like it's like there are some people who are better at things than other people there are some people who are better suited to be leaders um it's not an equal playing field and to pretend that it is the amount of effort that people put into things totally like if you want to sit around in the house on your computer playing, I was about to say video games because I'm 41 years old. I was like, I don't think they're called video games anymore. They are.

What are they called? I don't know. I feel like there's another, well, I obviously don't know. I think they're video games. They're just called video games. No, isn't it like, okay. What else would you call them? They're video games okay great even like the brand new ones that come out today i just outed my age for no good reason um but like if you want to like sit around your

house and be a loser then you can go do that But you don't deserve to have the same amount of money or prestige or power or whatever it is as somebody else. It shouldn't all be equal. I think that it should be more equal. I don't think that – I really don't think that people should be in poverty or destitute or be homeless. Agreed, yeah. Yeah, but I don't agree with this delusion that everybody is capable of the same things, has the same skills. And they do that in feminism a lot. Yeah. They sort of pretend like everyone should have an equal say. And it's a really big problem within the movement. I'm getting sort of like meta here a bit.

So I'm getting sort of like meta here a bit. But, you know, feminism can be very like pro collective and advocates, you know, like collective decision making and things like that, which is crazy because if you're working in a collective and some women are, you know, 50 or 60 years old, they've been doing this work for a really long time if you're 50 or 60 years old you probably know in general a lot more about life and your work than a 20 year old does and yet within a collective everybody has an equal say so you know the 20 year old who just joined your collective has just as much to say and it's equally as legitimate as what this 60 year old like it's disrespectful you know what i mean like yeah i don't know if this is like another like i yeah i have all these these problems with feminism that i've sort of been trying to like address and articulate of late and i've gotten pretty attacked over it because people are used to me saying a certain thing and i've stopped saying those things and started asking questions and challenging things and people don't like it when you do that. Yeah.

Well, specifically of those ideals that they would like you to subscribe to very rigidly define how they look at the world. Exactly. And then if you step out, you were an ally, air quotes, and then all of a sudden you step out of the orthodoxy and you're starting to say, well, maybe this is bullshit because maybe young people are filled with hubris. And maybe one of the reasons why they're into Marxism is because they haven't accumulated any wealth yet. And they would like everybody to have no wealth because they don't have any wealth. And then as you see, as they gain wealth, which is one of the more slippery things about people as they get

older. People that used to be Marxists and then they start selling books and start doing well. And then they're like, I'm not really into this anymore. I kind of like to keep this money. Well, that fucking lady from Black Lives Matter that was a trained Marxist and turns out she's got a multi-millionaire

real estate portfolio. Yeah. Yeah. And rental property and like, OK, I mean, what is Marxism to you? Well, and that's fine. But just don't be a liar. Like you be rich, have a bunch of properties, have a bunch of money. But don't be a liar.

Like, don't advocate this thing that is directly opposed to the life that you're living. I mean, that's that's why I was a Marxist. I was like, I don't have any money. Fuck these people with money. Like how come my friends have houses and cars and I don't have anything? I'm a Marxist. And then I sort of started to make more money. It's not like I make tons of money right now, but like I'm okay.

And I'm like, yeah, I want to make more money. right now but like i'm okay and i'm like yeah i like my i want to make more money well it's it's very rewarding when your effort gets paid off by you know something very tangible like financial success and the idea that we're not all in it for some sort of reinforcement you know whether it's monetary reinforcement societal reinforcement when you're doing something and you're putting out work you're putting out work, you're doing it for incentives. You're not just doing it to just survive. What am I, a fucking animal? I only need enough meat to survive and enough water to drink so I can stay hydrated?

And who gets to decide that? So if we pass that and you can accumulate more things, you could buy nice clothes, you could buy a TV, you could get a computer. Like who's to decide where that ends? And how do you regulate this? And who gets to regulate it? And if you look at the loudest voices, they're usually the laziest fucks. The laziest or the youngest or the ones who just haven't been successful at life. This idea, and Jordan Peterson talks about this all the time, it's an infuriating idea

of an equality of outcome because there's no way that it's ever going to work. But some people want that. They want an equality of outcome in terms of financial success or life success. But there's not an equality of effort. And if those, this is the whole reason why we have innovation and why our society moves forth and why people put in a lot of effort and make extraordinary leaps and gains in their life is because there's incentives. That's why, that's why they do it. Right. It. And good aspect of capitalism. Yeah. And I mean, the idea that like you shouldn't have to work hard. I mean, working hard to achieve something like financial success is great because, yeah, why would you do all this work for nothing?

Just out of the good of your heart. Like most people aren't going to do that. Maybe there's some people who are incredibly charitable, but most people aren't going to do that. people who are incredibly charitable, but most people aren't going to do that. But also it, you know, it sort of erases the reality that like working really hard and achieving something and getting better at something is actually very like self-fulfilling. It's really good for your confidence. It helps you get to know yourself, which also builds confidence. And this is what these leftists are all doing, essentially, all of these, I mean, especially the younger leftists. It's like, you shouldn't have to challenge yourself, you shouldn't have to do anything that scares you, you shouldn't have to do anything that's hard, you should be

comfortable all the time, and everything should just be given to you. I mean, all these, what is it like Generation Z, I almost said millennials, but every time I say millennials, people scream at me and they're like, we're not millennials. Like, okay, whatever. Everybody who's younger than me, who's bad. Like, you know, like they, they think they, they complain constantly about not having anything. Have you noticed that like online? It's like, Oh, all these older people with their houses and their money and their jobs. And all we have is like debt and like climate change and nothing. And I'm like, you're 20 years old. You're supposed to have nothing.

You deserve nothing. You're a useless person. Like, what do you like? I mean, think about. I wouldn't say they're useless. When I was 20, I think I was quite useless. Were you? I mean, I was just at the bar.

I mean, I'm still at the bar, but I'm productive aside from just being at the bar. But I think when I was 20, I was literally just at the bar. I don't know. You don't know anything when you're 20. You don't know yourself. You're learning, but you have a lot of hubris. People, they have a lot of ego, and they also want success immediately. They want it right now. Yeah. They're like, why don't I have a lot of ego, and they also want success immediately. They want it right now.

Yeah. They're like, why don't I have a house? That's part of the culture of participation trophies and this coddled helicopter parent culture where kids haven't experienced in general. They haven't experienced as much hardship as people of previous generations as much difficulty in getting through life and also they've been told each one of them that they're special and unique and told things like body positivity which is one of my favorites like it's okay to be a glutton it's body positivity like you love yourself love yourself eat that cupcake you should love yourself but she's also realized that cupcakes are basically poison that tastes good. Yeah. It's basically like a very slow drip poison.

Yeah. I eat them. I eat a cupcake every now and then. I really like cake a lot. That's good. Yeah. It's very yummy. Not every day.

Not every day. It does. It tastes really good. Tastes great. I mean, and this plays into the gender identity stuff, right? I mean, and this plays into the gender identity stuff, right? Because, I mean, this is really, again, taken over the younger generation who expect to be validated. They expect to, you know, have a feeling and that to be validated.

Like, I feel non-binary. It's like, good for you. That doesn't mean anything. Also, you're not special. You're just like everyone else. I think if you actually tried to explain what non-binary means, which most of them can't in any kind of cohesive way, you would discover that everybody is a bit non-binary. Like, I don't subscribe fully to femininity.

You know, I'm obviously not a very passive person. You tell me, box. I love punching things. Yeah, shout out to my trainer Chris at Quilombo and Sayulita. All right. You have to come visit us, by the way. It's actually at Samoyed's high gym, I was telling you before the show, but he's doing a jiu-jitsu

tournament there. So they just did the white belt tournament and then they'll move up and I think probably by around March they'll do the black belt tournament and then they'll move up. And I think probably by around March, they'll do the black belt tournament. That's awesome. You should come visit. How many people live in that area? Okay.

So in Sayulita, like I think people who actually live there year round is probably, I'm probably going to get this wrong, but like maybe around like 2,500. That's it. And then there's tons of tourists that come. And I was one of those tourists, but I never left, so now I'm a local.

So you went there as a tourist because you were kind of stuck in Canada. Canada's lockdowns are fucking preposterous. And by the way, did you see Trudeau yesterday on TV using different pronouns to describe the recession and the recovery? Oh, like the she session? Yeah. Did you see that? I didn't actually watch it, but I did.

Go to Jordan Peterson's Instagram or his Twitter page. He retweeted it and said that this cannot be shared enough. Like people need to understand how ridiculous this person is. He's the worst. What is he doing, though? Why would he do that like what what's the motivation to do that he's just making up for all the times you wore brown face yeah what is he's i mean i don't know i mean a few times i i mean i that's the thing i care about least in terms of true i mean here let's hear this take it from the beginning, because it's...

It is exactly the example of the kinds of things you need to do to counter the she-session and turn it into a she-covery. Fact is, the conservatives don't talk about that in their lengthy platform. is what like is it that the recession is sexist so he's called what the fuck is a she session like what does that mean i don't know she session and she covering i think he's probably i'm assuming he's such a try hard he's such a loser he's trying to say like maybe that women, is he trying to say that women suffered more

during COVID financially? He's not saying shit. He's just making up words. I should stop giving him so much credit to think that he's actually saying something. How many terms has he done? So this is two. This is his second term. So he won the second term.

Yeah. When did that happen? Please don't ask me questions like this. Oh,'re a canadian no i know i have a terrible memory though that's hilariously bad because i could tell you when biden got elected he just called a new election so there's gonna be an another election in october so he he's been in for a while now he called an election so he gets to say let's have a new election? Yeah. And I assume, well, I assume it has something to do with COVID and how well he thinks he's handled COVID. And he hasn't. He's been the worst. I mean, their shutdowns in Canada were

psycho and never ending and like destroyed, you know, so many many businesses so many small businesses um we've all been miserable i mean this is literally why i left the country no i mean the politics in canada are terrible and the liberal party are also right now trying to push through all these anti-free speech bills um and i honestly got scared that i was like, I'm not going to be able to work here. I'm going to get arrested. There's two bills, I think Bill C-3-6 and Bill C-10. And one of them is to regulate online speech. So what it would do is it would force platforms like YouTube or Twitter or Facebook to take down content that the Canadian government deemed to be hate speech. So basically everything that I do, because they're on board with all this gender

identity shit, right? And you also, it's basically, it's practically illegal to say anything critical about COVID or vaccines and all of that stuff. Really? Yeah. And the other one is about changing hate speech laws. I mean, they're they're working so hard to limit free speech in Canada and nobody cares. Like Canadians are the most passive people I have ever encountered. And they have no idea why any of these things are important. Before I moved to Mexico, I was like thinking about moving to the US, like to Texas, for example. Because I just, I think it's going in a really, really dangerous direction. And nobody's doing anything or saying anything or very few people in any case. And, and this is our, you know, progressive, like feminist prime minister.

People really, really trust the government. So all these ongoing restrictions that were happening during COVID, they people genuinely believe that the government has their best interests in mind. And they think that if they just keep following the rules and things will work out for them, even if that's irrational, even if they've seen we've been following the rules this whole time and nothing's changed, we're not being given our freedoms back. In fact, they're working to take away more of our freedoms. You know, you can't. It's illegal to say that you can't gather with other people like you can't have religious gatherings, that you can't go to church, that you can't protest. And that's what they did over COVID, right? It's like this BLM protest that happened during COVID is fine. But this, you know, like anti-lockdown protest is illegal, essentially. And people don't see why that's a problem. And it's crazy to me. And it's super scary to me. de Blasio did that in New York City as well.

He said the only protests that are acceptable was Black Lives Matter protests. I'm like, you're not allowed to do that. You fuck. No, you're not allowed. That's not how rights work. Especially in America. Like, I don't know how it works in Canada, but you can't do that. But he did it.

And this is the same guy that just made a vaccine passport. But he did it. And this is the same guy that just made a vaccine passport. And I have a real problem because I have a show there in Madison Square Garden in October. And I've already sold 13,000 tickets. And now they say that everybody has to be vaccinated. And, you know, I want everybody to know that, you know, you can get your money back. I don't know what to do. Really, I'm stuck in this situation.

back. I don't know what to do. I really am. I'm stuck in this situation. If someone has a, you know, an ideological or a physiological reason for not getting vaccinated, I don't want to force them to get vaccinated to see a fucking stupid comedy show. No, I mean, people should be able to make their own choices about their health and their bodies. But beyond that, I mean, vaccine mandates don't even work. Like I think in Sweden, they've never had mandates. And yet more people are vaccinated in Sweden, like they have a super high vaccination rate. I mean, when you're telling somebody you have to do this, I think there is going to be some kind of questioning, obviously not for a lot of people who are like eagerly getting on board. But I mean, i'm much less likely to do something if someone tells me i have to i'm like no you don't tell me what to do i'm gonna figure this out myself like why why do i have to like yeah

what's what's what's happening here well here's my main problem with it there's a lot of people that have gone through covid already and they have natural immunity and they're telling them they have to be vaccinated, too. But that's not logical. It's not rational. It doesn't it's not supported by science. This doesn't make sense. No, none of it makes sense. And, you know, and Trudeau just announced the other day that all government employees essentially were going to have to be vaccinated to work. What about government employees that have gotten COVID and recovered? Exactly. And have antibodies. But also you can't say you can only have a job, i.e. you can only survive if you get this vaccine. I mean, why is this? Is this legal?

Well, not only that, it's not really a vaccine in the traditional sense. A vaccine is where they take a dead virus and they turn into a vaccine and they inject it into your body so that your body fights off, it develops the antibodies and your body understands what that is, whether it's the measles or polio, it knows how to fight it off. This is really gene therapy. It's a different thing. It's tricking your body into producing spike protein and making these antibodies for COVID. But it's only good for a few months. They're finding out now the efficacy wanes after five or six months. I'm not saying that people shouldn't take it, but I'm saying you're calling it a thing that it's not. It's not exactly what you're saying it is.

it a thing that it's not it's not exactly what you're saying it is and you're mandating people take it and there's no repercussions if they have any side effects there's nothing they can do about it yeah and i mean i just i think most people probably don't i mean i've i've i've gotten a flu shot once in my entire life and it wasn't because i was like scared of getting the flu i think i was i just i've never really thought about vaccines that much before to be honest like so I was just like okay sure I guess I'll get them and I was at the doctor's office and she was like do you want a flu shot and I was like oh okay sure but I'm not you know I never got flu shots before that like I'm healthy I have a strong immune system I'm not worried about system. I'm not worried about getting sick. I'm not worried about COVID. Why do I need a vaccine?

Like, why do young, healthy people need a vaccine? The idea is that you're going to give it to other people and you're going to spread it. But they have a vaccine, so why am I giving it to them? Here's the problem. The problem with that is even when you're vaccinated, you can get it and you can spread it. So none of this makes sense. No, so there's no point in any of this. The only thing that is true

is that if you're vaccinated, you have a better time recovering from COVID. They should try ivermectin. Should they? Am I allowed to say that? I think you're allowed to say it. I think they need real studies on ivermectin. That's what I think. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor either. I think they need real

studies. I think there's real, there's some interesting evidence that shows that prophylactically it's very effective. It's very effective to stop people from getting it. And there was a study out of Argentina, I believe, where they give it to frontline healthcare workers. And the healthcare workers that took it, it was like 100% of them didn't get COVID. And the ones that didn't, I believe it was almost half of them got it. Somewhere in the neighborhood of half of them got it and half of them didn't get it. So. I mean, my understanding is just that it, your symptoms were worse or less, less bad and you would recover faster. If you got the vaccine.

No, if you take ivermectin. Well, the vaccine as well, though. That's the same thing. Oh, okay, okay. Even people that do get COVID when they've been vaccinated, it's a safer experience for them. Well, okay. But, I mean, the point is that ivermectin is an option that's essentially been banned in North America, Well, okay, but the point is that ivermectin is an option that's essentially been banned in North America,

whereas in Mexico you can buy it over the counter at a pharmacy for real cheap. And supposedly, I mean, there is research that shows that it helps. And yet in North America they're just pushing vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. That's the only option, and it's not the only option. Yeah, there's options for treatment. And the big one that I've been pushing from the beginning is, God, if there's ever been a wake-up call where you have clear reason to take care of your body, now's the time. Like, please, if you're listening to this, lose weight. Please exercise.

Please take vitamins. please eat healthy foods, please. That will have a significant impact in your ability to withstand anything, not just this virus, but all viruses, all colds. You'll have a more resilient body. You'll have a better immune system. This is all proven proven stuff this is not voodoo like if you eat well and sleep well and take vitamins and exercise you have a better immune system it's a fact yeah that's how it works there's like basic practical things that you can do i mean there's basic practical things that you can do, obviously, to improve your health and to avoid, you know, getting real sick if you get COVID or whatever. But there's also like basic this frustrates me a lot. There's basic practical things that you can do to help your own mental health.

Yes. You know, so this thing where it's like we throw prescriptions at people for everything. We do that for, you know, physical health reasons. But we also do this for, you know, physical health reasons, but we also do this for mental health reasons. And it's like, you know, it seems really weird to me that so many people are really, really depressed and they all need to be on drugs for depression. And I would like to offer exercise, doing something useful with your life that makes you feel good about yourself and productive and like

you've succeeded like try to learn and and become better at like a new skill yeah um try people don't want to hear that though they want that pill yeah i mean there's a lot of people that really don't want to hear that they they want to pretend that first of all with some people there's a legitimate issue there's like an absolute issue that can't be resolved with exercise and diet. We have to make room for those people. It's a chemical imbalance. All of it. Some of it. I think for some people it's real. Sure. Yeah, of course. Totally. But not all of it and not for everybody.

A lot of people. In fact, there was a study that showed that physical exercise was as effective, a study that showed that physical exercise was as effective, if not more effective, for treating depression statistically than SSRIs. See if you can find that. It was rigorous cardiovascular exercise as or more effective than SSRIs to treat depression. I mean, I'm going to be honest. I have not been- Are you going to be honest? Are you going to be honest? I'm going to start right now. Are you ready? Is it this stuff?

What do you call this? I'm trying to go slow. Go slow? This stuff is horrific. I can't believe you purchased it. Dude, I can drink so much of this stuff, and so I am trying to go slow. How can you drink so much of this stuff?

I take a thimble full. I want to black out. I really like it. I'm very good at drinking also. I believe you. Are you a lush? I said I'm very good at drinking. I feel like a lush has like a negative connotation like you're drunk all the time.

And I'm not drunk all the time. You just lick a lot? I can handle my booze. I like to party. And I'm not drunk all the time. You just lick a lot? I can handle my booze. I like to party. Okay, so what I was going to say is that I'm not, I haven't always, I'm going to be honest, I haven't always been like a big exerciser.

I spent a very long time not exercising at all. And, you know, a lot of that just had to do with the fact that, you know, like when I was younger, I was like when I was a teenager, when I was in my 20s, I was like naturally thin. So I just didn't really have any reason to. And then, you know, once you get older and your metabolism slows down, you start putting on weight and you're like, oh, shit, I guess I have to start exercising. But what I learned and again, you know, when I got to I was working with a boxing trainer in Vancouver before I went to Sayulita, and I swam laps, and I was doing some strength training,

which I really enjoyed a lot. And then when I got to Sayulita, I found Chris in Quilombo and started working with him. And I really love it a lot. It's fun. I mean, I feel like I want to kill myself every time I go and lay down and die, and I complain a lot the whole time. I know you don't like I want to kill myself every time I go and like lay down and die. And I complain a lot the whole time. I know you don't like complaining, but I'm a big fan of complaining.

But, you know, like it makes me feel like if I ever feel any kind of like anxiety or if I'm feeling sad about like it makes me feel so much better. I feel so much better about myself. I mean, just in terms of really basic stuff, like building muscles, and you can feel your body changing, which is cool. But in terms of I don't have major mental health issues, which I'm grateful for, like, I've never had big issues with depression or anxiety or anything like that. But it just, you know, if I don't want to go, I'm like, okay, I got to go. Like, I feel like, I'm like, I feel bad. I feel sad.

Like, I want to stay in bed. It always, always makes me feel so much better. And I just wish that people understood. Like, it's not a lie. It really, and it makes you feel better about yourself that you're doing something that's hard for you and that you're doing it, even if you don't want to go. Like, even if you're feeling lazy and you're like, I don't want to go like even if you're feeling lazy and you're like i don't want to go and then you go and you're like i did it like i can do

things that i don't want to do like and they're beneficial it's so it's just so good for like how you feel about yourself yeah i think what you're doing too like boxing is so good because there's something about like hitting a thing like a punching bag that is so stress relieving oh yeah it's i love it so much. It's awesome. I'm really not good, so I don't want to pretend. I don't want to be like, yeah, I know what I'm doing. I mean, I am getting better, but I'm just really slow.

So it's frustrating. Well, you don't have to be good just to hit things. Here it is. Oh, Rhonda Patrick. There you go. Moderate aerobic exercise improved depressive symptoms by 55% in adults with major depressions. Individuals with more severe symptoms and better reward processing seem to benefit from exercise the most. I couldn't find the part of being better than SSRIs, but that's pretty fucking good. 55% is pretty fucking impressive. And this is a Rutgers study. Yeah, it's good stats you know I've never had a problem with

depression but I've never not exercised so I've been very fortunate that since I was a teenager I've always exercised I got involved in martial arts very early in life and so I was involved with like very rigorous exercise from the time I was really young. I regret. I don't have very many regrets in my life. I don't think that regrets are very useful. But I genuinely regret not having started boxing way, way, way earlier just because when you start doing something like that in your 40s, you're just never going to be that good. You're always going to be a bit slow.

And I really wish. Do you feel like you're physically slow? I feel like like fast twitch fibers that kind of stuff I mean I have bad knees so I just can't move very quickly what's wrong with your knees uh okay well I I hurt my knee doing taekwondo when I was like in my early 20s and never went to physio and I I having issues with it. This is the least interesting thing I've ever said in my life. I was having like, I had like this issue, actually a really gross issue with my knee when I was in high school.

So I'd be like running or playing basketball or something and my kneecap would move out of the way, which would cause me to fall down and was very painful. Your kneecap would move out of the way? Yeah. So I'd be like in the middle of running and my kneecap would sort of shift. And then if your kneecap shifts and you try to bend your knee, you can't do it because your kneecap's not in the right place.

And I think it created, it made my knee pretty sensitive. I didn't go to physio, so I actually can't. I'm trying to like explain what it is, but I don't know what it is. So I sort of already had a knee injury, and then I heard it doing Taekwondo, and again, just never dealt with it. So it's just stiff, and it doesn't work very well. I can't believe I'm going to bring this up again,

but there's a guy who's got a website called, his Instagram is KneesOverToesGuy. Oh, you're trying to help me. You're not just trying to make me talk about my weird knee injury he's got a bunch of great exercises for strengthening and stabilizing your knee and that I'm a big proponent of

sorry weight training helped a lot like doing like deadlifts and stuff like that and doing squats helped a lot like they are totally way better than they used to be but they're just stiff and so i just feel like i can't move really quickly and weight lifting and squats and those sorts of exercises are great but what he's um emphasizing is a very specific range of motion with lifting weights

that strengthens the knee when you put the knee in positions where it's generally thought of as being more unstable, like when your knees are over your toes. That's why he's knees over toes guy. Okay. And the idea is to like get it so that your knee can be very strong through the entire range of motion. So if you look at someone like who's jumping, like he uses basketball as an example, and it's a great example because, you know, when you're in the middle of like if someone's dribbling the ball and they're cutting left or right there's often times where your knee is in these like unstable positions or when you're jumping and landing you know your

knee is over your toes and these and his idea is to strengthen the knee in all of these ranges of motion where you traditionally would be weak and make your knees and all the surrounding muscles strong so that you can move in any direction and never have a problem with that sort of instability. Okay. It's very beneficial. I do it all the time. Yeah. This is great information. So in my brain, I can't run and I can't jump because it hurts my knee. Like if I even, like if I tried to run like a couple blocks, it would make my knee kind of hurt and swell up.

But in my brain for a very long time, I've been like, I can't run. I can't jump. And so, I mean, I suspect that there is some kind of solution. I could maybe move past this block. I was like, no, no, no, I can't jump rope. I mean, I don't want to jump rope. You can't jump rope? No.

Really? Just that? Yeah, like, yeah. It hurts your knee? It hurts my knee. Yeah, like any kind of like. Did you ever get an MRI? No.

Maybe you should do one of those. Do they have those in Mexico? Probably. Just put your knee up to the light. I'll check it out. I'll look at it. What is patellar tracking disorder? Patellar tracking disorder means that the kneecap shifts out of place as the leg bends or straightens.

In most cases, the kneecap shifts too far toward the outside of the leg. In a few people, it shifts towards the inside. Your knee joint is a complex hinge that joins the two bones of the lower leg and the thigh bone. That's just sort of maybe an explanation of... Who is this guy that you mentioned? What was his name again? Knees over toes guy on Instagram. This is the man,

Ben Patrick. I really hope that my trainer didn't tell me about this and I forgot and now he's going to kill me because he's going to be watching and be like, I told you! See how he's doing that? That scares me. Like the idea of trying to do that. I'm like, ugh. But you see how.

She's doing it a little lighter with the. Yeah, she's got assisted with poles. Oh, Lord. This is giving me anxiety. He's doing it with just body weight and he's going way deep. Oh, God. But that's the way to do it. If you can do that, you can get to a point where, you know, and then you obviously you

build up to it slowly and he has like a whole system where you start out very slowly and you progress towards what he calls dense strength. And these positions like he's doing now, I do that all the time. I work at it all the time. It's really great for developing range of motion, strength, flexibility. Watch this shit that he can do because this is so bizarre. He can go all the way down there like this and then pops all the way back up. And this guy's had major knee surgeries.

Okay. And he was told at one point in time that there was nothing that he was going to be able to do about his knees. This is stressing me out only because I'm thinking about how much this hurt my knee and I'm like, oh. Well, it's a great program. But I mean, I think that what I've learned from this conversation is that it was right to never go to physiotherapy and just to come on your podcast. Maybe the physiotherapy people would have prescribed something similar along the same

lines. It probably would have helped, but it's too late now. no that was no okay i'll try to do something and i'll stop being like i can't jump rope or run so i mean to be fair i hate running and jumping rope so yeah well maybe the running thing you build up to that you know if your knee swells up and then i won't have an excuse anymore you might have something going on there you might have like a bad uh meniscus tear or some cartilage damage or something you know probably there's something going on could be yeah is this what we came here to yeah we can talk about anything it doesn't matter it doesn't matter i feel like i'm almost done my drink like how far are you into your drink pretty far oh god pussy Oh, God. Pussy. What are you talking about?

I'm almost done. Okay, okay. This nasty shit you fucking forced me to drink. It'll grow on you. But it won't. I like whiskey. I like things that taste good. Okay, let me ask you a question.

Please do. Since this is my podcast. You use correct pronouns. Correct. Is that right use correct pronouns. Correct. Is that right? Correct pronouns. Right. So if a man identifies as a woman, you'll call him her or she.

If that's what she wants or he wants, yeah. Okay. So why is that? Because if that's what they want, I don't give a shit. Okay. But don't you think- I'll change their name. If they want to be called Debbie.

Okay, Debbie. The name doesn't bother me that much. One-on-one, I would do that. If I was talking to a friend and they identified as she and they were a man, then I don't feel like I would be super inclined to be like, he, he, he, he. Right, right, right. To make a statement about doing it. But I feel like in public it has wider repercussions and I feel like it participates in this greater lie that if you identify as the opposite sex, that's what you are.

And I feel also that it's unnecessary because I feel like it like so I feel like it plays into this idea that it's offensive to say what I say, for example. So the fact that I called Yaniv him or, you know, I refuse to use correct pronouns unless it's like on a personal level. Then I don't care. I'm not trying to be rude. And you do for a point. You're making a point. Yeah, I'm doing it, you know. Yeah, exactly.

I feel like it sells out people who don't use correct pronouns. I feel like it plays into and reinforces this idea that it's offensive and it's not offensive. You know, to call a man he isn't offensive. To call a male a man isn't offensive. You're just stating a neutral fact. So I sort of feel like the more people that participate in that, the more it does make it seem like a crazy, offensive, like hateful, really mean thing to say if you don't use correct pronouns. And I feel like that's a standard that's been set by companies like Twitter. Like people, people often say to me, like they act like I'm being stupid when I talk

about this. They're like, who cares? You got kicked got kicked off of Twitter no big deal and it is a big deal for me because I'm independent like I don't work for anybody I don't have some other job um I've built my own platform I've created my own audience this is how I make an income so it does matter to me in that sense but it's also that it's like set a precedent right like it says people will say oh Megan's Megan's hateful like Megan's a really bad person Megan's transphobic she even got kicked off Twitter um so and you know because it sort of seeped into journalism for example so people will report stories about pedophiles and rapists and abusers and use their preferred pronouns because that's like the polite thing to do i feel like i'm not trying to be like i came here to call you out but i do i think people don't understand why it matters

sometimes so they don't understand why i'm doing it because they're like, why don't you just be nice? Like, why don't you just use the correct pronoun? Right. And it's, for me, it's like a much bigger thing than just a one-on-one interaction or like a polite thing. Well, it's certainly a new thing. And one of the problems with new things like this is that people, they want to reinforce it

to the point where it's like doctrine, you know? Like where there's no getting around it. Like this is that people they want to reinforce it to the point where it's like doctrine you know like where there's no getting around it like this is the rule and you have to abide by that rule or you're a piece of shit but it is you know when it comes to like men with beards and penises and testicles that want you to call them a woman. Like, aren't you just crazy? Yeah. What is going on here? You're saying you want me to call you a woman, but you have a full beard.

Like, I was looking at this one person. I don't need to name this person. But there's this one person that said, you know, that some women have penises, and if you don't like that, you can suck my dick. That was a direct quote. Yeah, I saw somebody say that, too. I don't know if it was the same person. With a full beard.

Full beard, like terrorist beard. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I can't remember his name. But it's like in wearing a dress. I'm like, you're throwing it in everybody's face that they have to accept that there's no way you're a woman. You're clearly exhibiting all these masculine characteristics, but yet you want to be defined as a woman because You're clearly exhibiting all these masculine characteristics, but yet you

want to be defined as a woman because you want to be special because you want special treatment. And maybe you do have gender dysphoria and maybe you do enjoy wearing a beard as well with your gender dysphoria. But there's also something about you that enjoys this authoritarian aspect of this forcing people to comply with calling you a woman. Yeah. It's fucking strange because there are definitely people with legitimate gender dysphoria that want to be a woman and they're biologically male. And then there's grifters.

There's crazy people. There's people that have locked onto this movement and they recognize that there's this thing that's happening now where if someone says this, you can't say anything about them. Like you can't criticize their behavior. You can't criticize the way they communicate or discuss because this person is now in a protected class because it's a trans woman. And so they can act batshit fucking crazy. Whereas if they were just a man, you'd be like, that guy's a fucking asshole. But since it's a trans woman, you're like, everyone backs off because they don't want this anti-trans label attached to them.

They don't want to be accused of dead naming her. And so they back off. Yeah. And I think you're right that there is like something that they enjoy about having that kind of power and nobody can challenge them. And it's like bow down. I mean, the other part of it that people don't talk about is that like a lot of these guys have fetishes. Like some of them are mentally ill. Some of them are just liars and they're just trying to...

Like Charlotte Clymer. Do you know who he is? No. What was his name before he changed his name? I'm going to get arrested for saying this. You can say whatever you want.

Oh, thank you. We're on Spotify. Like YouTube's not going to pull it. We're in a weird realm because Spotify is head spotify i thought they tried that's what they're trying to get you canned no oh those people don't have power over you they don't have any power they sure thought they did i found that very cute it was like oh you guys are gonna get rogan pulled like good for you very small group of people that misrepresent my stance on things too, by the way. They characterized me in a very, it's a caricature of who I am versus the actual words that I

say and why I say them. And take things out of context and try to pretend that I'm an anti-trans person or homophobic or whatever. None of those things are true so like their even their motivation for doing it was just they don't want any gray area my own only uh dispute about trans people came because of a trans woman who was competing as a a female in mma fights without telling these women that she's fighting that she was a man for 30 fucking years and just recently became a trans woman and was beating the shit out of them. And I was like, this is fucked. And it's gross because that guy knows

he's a guy like it's, you know, these people, you know, like that weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, you know, you know you're a man. Like, you know you're cheating. You know this isn't fair. And you're doing it anyway. I have no respect for that. Did you see the actual competition? She dropped the weights. It was like, I almost feel like she just quit because she didn't want the heat of possibly winning.

Really? Yeah. I didn't actually watch. I just read about it after the fact. Yeah, it was a whack attempt. Weird. Yeah, it looked whack. To win, to get to represent New Zealand in the Olympics, and then that's how you handle it?

Did you ever see when she's on the podium and those other two biological females are beside her, and they're like, what in the fuck? Because she's number one. And they're sitting there like, this is some fucking bullshit. You can see the look on their faces. Have you seen it? Did you watch the No Thank You? What's the No Thank You?

Oh, you didn't? No, what's that? This is the best clip. What? I don't know where you can find it. It's on my Instagram. OK, but so the chick that won at the weightlifting competition, Okay, but so the chick that won at the weightlifting competition, at the press conference, they asked her, like, so, like, what do you think about this historic moment when a trans whatever they said was competing?

And she just doesn't say anything. She's like, no, thank you. That's her answer to the question. It's the greatest thing I've ever seen. But, you know, like they weren't down. They were like. And how insulting to be like, you know, she won and you're going to say like, oh, isn't it amazing that a man tried to compete against you? What a historic moment.

Historic moment. Yeah. It's so offensive. Historic moment. yeah it's so offensive historic moment i i can't wait until there's real when we're going to get to a time i think maybe sometime in our lifetime where a man can become a woman like legitimately no like how what does that mean science like some sort of literal change of their actual physical biology like you would change their chromosomes and they would have a functioning uterus. If we can get to a point where there's a complete understanding of all the processes that are involved in taking a fetus and having it become a grown adult, and if we can bypass some of those

processes in a male to convert a male to a female or a female to convert a female to a male. That's not outside the realm of possibility. Literal artificial biological life is not outside the realm of possibility. My point is it's not here. My point is if one day it happens, then you'll have a real woman. It'll really be a woman. You'll be able to turn someone with an XY chromosome into someone with an XX chromosome.

How the fuck are you going to do it? I don't know. But it's not, look, we can make nuclear bombs. We send video through the air. If people keep working on things, I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle. When that happens, then we'll be dealing with a completely different thing.

Because then, like, you will be, like, one day I'll see you and I'm like, when did you become a dude? And you're like, I got tired of this bitch shit. I changed my mind. Yeah, I wanted to be a guy. Fuck it. I want to be able to beat people up. Yeah, I want to be jacked. No, that'll never happen.

No, but you enjoy being a woman yeah but imagine if you didn't imagine if you really felt like you should have been a man this whole time and then someone can actually give you some gene therapy and you know you actually do become a man i mean i think that would be what would your male name be oh my god i don't know what do you think my male name should be do you have any idea mike i haven't no i had an ex-boyfriend named mike oh fuck that i don't want it he's nice it's okay how about mark i had an ex-boyfriend named mark also mark was mark was my first boyfriend let's keep going down the road okay try another one

tom no i've never had an ex-boyfriend named tom i have a friend named tom do you want to be exotic i feel like more these are really boring names manuel because you're living in mexico oh okay like an ethnic i'm irish man you can't call me manuel yeah you can okay give me an irish name like i could be colin i guess colin how about colin i don't want to be a man i was like wait wait i changed my mind if there is you know i was uh i was talking to a friend of mine um on the podcast about uh if there was a time where you could give someone a pill and it would alleviate gender dysphoria like imagine if gender dysphoria was something where they isolated it and they felt, oh, there's a protein that's off or this is, we figured out how to do this. And through this medication, you will no longer have gender dysphoria and it's permanent. That would be a great solution.

The solution of getting a ton of really like awful, painful, these are still experimental surgeries. like awful painful experiment these are still experimental surgeries like the the surgeries that trans people trans people get to transition like they're really horrible they're ongoing they're experimental like i think these surgeons should be sued what do you mean the ones that turn a penis into a vagina totally obviously like breast implants or they've got that covered but um yeah like the the genital like creating a penis or a vagina i mean i know like i know trans people who've had these surgeries and it's just like a nightmare and your genitals don't work anymore and you can't have good sex you obviously can't reproduce like you can't have an orgasm anymore you're fucking mangled like it's not it's a lie like it's such a lie to tell people right now anyway who knows about this like horrible future that you're predicting is it horrible well that's that's

i don't like that's not how nature works like that's that's not a healthy thing for humanity to do there's a lot of things we do that are not how nature works okay well i think this is a not good thing to do that's not how nature works but like you know people are being lied to like they're being told that they can change sex and they can't change sex and they're being mangled and they're being given these like high doses of hormones that are really harmful like these are like things that will cause cancer. Like and people just, they pretend like it's possible and it's not possible. And you end up, like I think so many trans people go through all these processes and transition.

And then I'm like, oh, like I'm still not what I wanted. I still look like a man. Like it's very hard for an adult man to ever actually look like a woman like most of them don't look like women they look weird or they still just look like men but they have implants and makeup and long hair or whatever but you can't change like you know the way they move their bone size or hand size like the way that they walk but some people clearly feel happier once they've done it if they feel happy that's great but i think a lot of don't you think caitlin jenner feels happier probably yeah i've never quite been able to figure out like my theory

about caitlin jenner is that um he just felt like in the shadow all the time like i don't know if you've watched keeping up Kardashian. Oh, yeah. You do? Oh, yeah. My wife watched it. So I've sat many times over her shoulder going, what the fuck are you watching? What is this?

Yeah. And she would go, you should watch. You should watch this. I agree, you should watch. It's very compelling. I don't know why it's compelling. It's very well edited. It is very compelling. I actually, I think I watched the whole thing

from the beginning like two years ago. Like, I didn't watch when it was on. I actually, I think I watched the whole thing from the beginning like two years ago. Like I didn't watch when it was on. I just decided. I was like, I should watch this show. When Caitlyn was Bruce, they shit on him. He like hid in the TV room alone looking sad for so many years. Yeah, he was the one that was like the brunt of all the jokes. They mocked him.

He seemed like the only one that's accomplished on the entire i mean you're a fucking goddamn olympic gold medalist and the decathlon like a legit olympic gold medalist 1776 cover wheaties yeah america fuck yeah and now here he is in this house of like these weird internet influencers. And this one accomplished person is the brunt of all the jokes. It's very strange. Well, and also, I mean, yeah. And they all, I felt, I mean, I had sort of a different perspective than you did.

Maybe this is like because you're a man and I'm a woman. But I was like, this guy is kind of like he wants more attention and he's mad that he's not getting attention. And all these chicks are getting all the attention. And he's like, I know how to get attention. I'm going to become one of them. And it worked. Maybe. Definitely changed the whole attention spectrum.

Oh, my goodness. Right? Yeah. Changed it radically. But I do. I believe that he probably did have. I think he had a fetish. He, you know, was wearing his daughter's clothes and underwear and stuff like that.

Is that what you heard? Yeah. Oh, that's like, that's totally public information. Oh. And he also, I read an interview with him. It's older, but I think it was in Vanity Fair or something like that. And he would talk about like, he would wear pantyhose under his pants. Like he was really into wearing women's clothes.

And that's what autogynephilia is. Like it's having a fetish for dressing like a woman or imagining yourself as a woman. Like it turns you on. And there's research. Ray Blanchard did research around this. He's a sexologist and found that essentially like all trans women were either, you know, effeminate men or gay men or they were autogonophiles. And the men who transitioned when they were younger were the effeminate gay men. And the men who transitioned when they were older, like 40s, 50s, 60s, were the autogonophiles who have like this fetish.

And of course, he's been like canceled many times over because that's not something that you're supposed to talk about. But usually what happens with the older guys who transition, it's like about that fetish. And again, whatever. Like honestly, do what you want. Do whatever makes you happy.

But stop trying to lie and say, like, I'm a woman on the inside. I'm a literal female. So as a woman, you find this offensive as an actual biological one. Totally. Of course. Like, being a woman isn't about, like, you know, having long hair, wearing makeup or like. Here's where it's different. As a man, I do not give a fuck if a trans person becomes a man.

Like if a woman chooses to be a man. Like, you know, Buck Angel? Yeah. I've had Buck Angel on the podcast. We had this conversation. Yeah, I interviewed him. I call him him. He's my friend.

He's a great guy. And he's not trying to force me to pretend that he's a literal male. So I don't care. Like, sure. Great guy. Really interesting to talk to. Yeah. And, you know, when he said, do you consider me a man?

I go, yeah. That's what you want. Yeah. And I'll treat you like you're a man. Talk to you like you're a man talk to you like you're a man you know i'll call you buck i don't i mean i don't it doesn't matter at all to me like i never i would never say it's offensive that you are pretending to be a man like that that has zero registry it doesn't register at all with me i mean mean, I think it has no impact on you. Like the men transitioning to women has a really, really big and negative impact on women and girls.

I was going to get to that. This is the thing is that men transitioning to women use male tactics and male behavior as they invade feminist spaces. And that's one thing that I have seen that women get really kind of freaked out by is that trans women then join these women groups and dominate them like men do. They have male minds. They have, you know, years and years of having gonads and having testosterone flow through their body and all of the, you know, hypersexual things that come from that. And one thing that comes from being a biological male is they generally tend to be more aggressive. They tend to be more assertive. They tend to, you know, try to dominate whenever possible, you know, if left unchecked and if their egos are not, you know, well managed. But the big complaint that I hear from women, especially women that get labeled as TERFs, is that these trans women invade these traditionally just biological women groups and they sort of handle them like a man. Mm-hmm.

And or they're predators. I mean, like, you know, or, yeah, like, or worse. Or worse. I just, I wonder what kind of, this is not the worst of all the examples by far, but it's like, what kind of man actually wants to go into a woman's change room? Like, what would be your motivation for doing that? Well, you could wish you were a woman and want to into a woman's change room? Like what would be your motivation for doing that?

Well, you could wish you were a woman and want to be a woman. But you must have some inclination that this is going to make women feel uncomfortable. And I think they kind of get off on that. Like what kind of man wants women to feel uncomfortable? Maybe they want people to be accepting, want people to be open-minded to this and not have an issue with it at all. I mean, that's very inconsiderate. Like it's like, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they just want to be accepted and they want validation. And they're like, and they genuinely believe they're a woman. So they want to be treated like a woman.

So they want to be in the changing room with all the other women. But I think, I mean, who is actually that delusional yeah maybe some people but i do i think that there's something predatorial just in that in the wanting to be in those spaces where they know that women don't want them there like where they know that they're making women uncomfortable and they're doing it anyway when my children were young, when I have all daughters and when they were young, one of the weird things was if they have to go potty and it's just me, I can't just send them into the woman's room and I can't go into the woman's room with them. So I have to take them into the men's room. So like I'm talking like carry them, you know, like this age. Right.

So I'm like either holding a hand and walking with them or I'm carrying them into the male bathroom. And even then it seems weird. You know, it seems like I remember thinking, like, I can't wait until this stops because it just – I don't want to bring my little baby daughter into a room full of dudes. It's just odd. You just feel inherently a bit uncomfortable about that.

Yeah. It's not, I didn't feel like I was in danger or she was in danger. I didn't feel like that. But I was like, this is, obviously this is like a societal thing, right? This is a cultural thing. Because in some cultures they have open bathrooms and men and women share bathrooms and that's just always how it's been but it's not how it's been in america so when i'm carrying a little girl or walking with a little girl into the men's room

it's weird you know louis ck had a bit about taking his daughter to the bathroom and that like two guys are shitting right next to like he's got her on the potty and two guys are like having these horrible shits in the left side and the right stall men are so disgusting yeah they're gross but girls are gross too everyone's gross but it's it's um it just felt odd and but at least i was with her if i sent her her in there, you know, by herself, like, it would feel insanely odd. But you should feel a bit odd about that, and I don't even think you need to be able to explain why.

Like, it's so, the sports thing has been, I think, probably, like, the best in terms of opening up this conversation about, like, men can't become women or maybe there's a problem with a man identifying as a woman because people don't need an explanation. Like people inherently will just look at this guy and be like, no, this is not fair. Like you don't need an ideology. You don't need to be a feminist. You don't need to really to just see like you don't need to know about biology. You just know you're like no this is

wrong like the sports thing is the only reason why i got involved in this discussion at all and then once i got dragged into it i realized like first of all they misrepresent your position in the most horrific way possible and second of all there's no one from the other side. There are no trans men that are competing against men in sports that are notable. It's just not an issue. Not only is it not an issue, nobody gives a fuck. All the men weightlifters are like, oh, you used to be a girl? Cool. Good luck.

Good luck, bro. Yeah. Literally no one gives a shit because there's no perceived, and not even perceived. Let's be real. It's a fucking advantage. There's a giant advantage. There's an advantage in tendon strength. There's an advantage in the shape of the hips.

There's an advantage of years and years and years of having like huge levels of testosterone pumping through your system in terms of like a biological female. It's like if you took a woman and you put her on steroids for 30 years and then she got off steroids for a year and she was competing against women in sports, women would be like, this is fucking bullshit. Like this lady's been cheating her whole life and now all of a sudden she's off the steroids so I'm supposed to just accept her

as like a normal physiological female. Well, it's not. She's obviously been enhanced. That's the same thing that if you if you grow up with testicles your whole life but even more so right like people act like puberty doesn't matter and that that like rush of testosterone that happens when you go through puberty as a boy doesn't totally change your body yeah and your brain it does and again no one gives a fuck if like some trans man wants to compete in the NBA.

Good luck. Get on in there. A trans man who wants to compete in mixed martial. Well, you know, the problem with trans men competing in mixed martial arts or something like that is you wouldn't be able to because it's not legal to take testosterone. So you literally wouldn't be able to. legal to take testosterone so you you literally wouldn't be able to you know texas has a really wacky way of looking at it where um there's a trans there was a trans man well trans boy i guess you would say in high school wrestling so this was a biological female that was taking testosterone but they wouldn't let her compete as a boy.

So they made her compete against girls while she was taking testosterone. So she's ragdolling these girls because she's on the juice, like literally. And everybody was mad, but they were mad at the girl. And I'm like, well, is that her fault? She really let this girl who wants to be a boy and is taking testosterone let her compete against boys let's see what happens no one would care no one on the boy side would care is my opinion is my position and that's why this is such a fucking loaded issue is because we know males have a physical advantage in running, in lifting weights, in most sports that involve power. And I mean, and you can explain why.

You can like talk to a scientist. You can talk to a doctor. And they'll explain why. But everybody knows. Everybody knows that men are stronger and bigger than women for the most part. And likewise, I just think that i think it's crazy it makes me feel crazy to even have to explain to people like that a man shouldn't have access to a change room or that a man shouldn't be in a transition house with women who are escaping um violence sexual abuse

yeah and that a man shouldn't be in a women's prison like it's like why like you know why right it's not because all men are rapists or all men are predators but you know primarily the threat to women is men primarily the threat to men is other men and also why why why do you want to be in these spaces well the woke ideology is so fucking weird that they literally have allowed men who are sexual abusers to transition to women and be incarcerated with women. Yeah, this is a real thing. Like that is so outside of any logic. That's such a crazy way to handle it. That you go, oh, you're a woman now? Sure.

Guy who has sexually assaulted women, who has a history of this, is in jail for it? We're going to put you in with women. Yeah. And I mean, there's cases already. Like there's a woman in Canada, Heather Mason,

who's doing activism around this. And, you know, she was incarcerated for many years. And even before this was an issue this was starting to become an issue where men who identified as women were being transferred into male prisons and sexual assaults did happen you know there was like a fucking baby rapist in there with like a mom and the baby like in some kind of middle i don don't, obviously not in the prison prison, but like, you know, like they're putting dangerous men who are predators, who are rapists, who are serial predators in with these

women, these women who are really vulnerable. I mean, think about the kind of women who are in prison. Like these are actually, you care about marginalization. Who's in prison? Like the most marginalized women in the entire country are going to be the ones who are in women's prisons. And then you stick like a super violent rapist in there with them? Just because he identifies as being a woman. And the government, the Canadian government, will not even acknowledge this is happening. They won't talk about it. The media won't talk about it.

It's disgusting. And Heather told me, she was like, you know, like I think something really, really horrible horrible is gonna have to happen before anybody pays attention and it's true and think about what what is the really horrible thing when there's already obviously really bad things happening in these prisons like you know like what is it gonna take and why is everybody pretending like this is okay this is the liberal government they're scared of the blowback online yeah that's what a lot of it is right yeah I mean the liberal online. They're scared of the blowback online. Yeah. That's what a lot of it is, right? Yeah.

I mean, the liberal government, like, they're the worst. They're the worst. Your guy's the worst. Yeah, Trudeau's the worst. He's the worst I've ever seen. Yeah. He's so ridiculous. Yeah.

And I mean, he- This she-covery and she-session, like- I mean, and it's- Who's that for? You think his wife makes him do that? I think he does it because, I mean, I think he's just trying to win favor. This is what I want you to do today at work, dear. You know what it says, though? I mean, obviously it makes him look like an idiot, but it also makes Canadians, like Canadians vote for this guy. They support him and they're probably going to vote for him again. Like you think so? I, okay. Listen, I, as I said, like I'm a lifelong leftist. I voted for the NDP.

That's our leftist party. That's like our labor party basically in Canada, my entire life. Like as soon as I was legal to vote when I was 18, provincially and federally in every single election, I voted for the NDP. Last election, I didn't vote at all. Cause I was like, I can't in good faith vote for the liberals or the NDP. And I, I didn't vote at all because I was like, I can't in good faith vote for the liberals or the NDP. And I didn't feel comfortable voting for the conservative party because I care about like health care. This year, I'll vote conservative, like somebody who was like a crazy like I was like an extreme leftist for all of my life until, you know, two or three years ago. I'll vote conservative because these people are so unethical and so dangerous so dangerous like they're getting rid of our rights our free speech

the erosion of civil rights is the most disturbing aspects of it because they're willing to accept the erosion of rights and civil liberties because it aligns with whatever ideology they're pushing. Yeah. And you're seeing that in America. You're seeing that in a different realm with this whole COVID vaccine passport thing. There's people that are accepting this idea that the government's going to be able to dictate whether or not you go to places, whether or not you could eat dinner, whether or not you could do things, depending upon your vaccination status, when they know that there's people that have gone

through COVID and have natural immunity, and it's just as robust, if not better. That's a fact. They know it, but yet they still are willing to accept these restrictions that you're going to give this new power to the government, and this government is now going to be able to dictate whether or not you're able to do things and they like it these fucking people that become governors and mayors they like telling people what to do it's part of the fun of the gig that they can tell people now as mayor of new york i have decided you have to do this or you can't do that and it's here yeah and it's not but it's not just

the politicians like it's the regular citizens like it's the public i mean the problem is not just that the people in power are doing this it's that everyone's going along with it and supporting it you know so many of my friends when i went i went back to vancouver in in june to like deal with my apartment and my truck and like banking stuff because I'd abandoned all my things in Vancouver. And all anyone could talk about was the vaccine. Did you get the vaccine? Did you get the vaccine? Did you get the vaccine? I was like, are you all crazy? Like, do you not have anything else to talk about? First of all, none of your business. Like, why are you intruding into my personal life? Like,

why are you asking me like personal health questions? But also, like, why are you intruding into my personal life? Like, why are you asking me like personal health questions? But also, like, why do you care? And I would say, like, it was like, I don't know. I mean, I'll see. Like, I probably will have to eventually to travel. This was before there was like a mandate. And, you know, I or I'd'd say like, I'm not super compelled, you know, basically I, like I was super vague about it. I don't want to have arguments with people about this. It's not even something I'm like that passionate about. And they would start arguing with me.

Um, either if it was over text, they would start like bombarding me with links. You should really get vaccinated. You should really get vaccinated. You should really get vaccinated. And I was like, can we talk about something else? Like, but there's a lot of people when they do something they want everyone to do it yeah once they do it and especially if they do something that might be a little risky it might be might be a little risky but you did it and they got away with it you should do it too

did you do it too you should do it yeah we all did it you should do it right right this is this is the right thing to do yeah these. Yeah. Weird, weirdly obsessed people. And then this idea that, you know, like their loss of rights on people who didn't get vaccinated and like saying really like hateful things about people like it's your fault. And, you know, this is like a tactic. Like, I feel like this is how totalitarianism happens. It's like point your finger at your neighbor and then you don't pay attention to or hold that you're not holding the people in power accountable they can do whatever they want because it's not them they have your best interests in mind it's your friend it's your

neighbor like they're the problem they're the danger they're the enemy it's fucking creepy it is fucking creepy and it's it's real creepy that it's only about someone getting injected with the vaccine it's not about like you're not going up to obese people and saying you fuck this up. You fucking fatso. You get sick too easy and you're coughing on everybody and you're spreading it everywhere and people around you that aren't fat, they're not getting sick. So you fuck this up because you're a spreader. You're not hearing that, right? You're not hearing people get upset at other people for their personal choices. Smokers. Smokers, drinkers. Smokers, and smokers actually do harm other people's health. Yeah, secondhand smoke.

I don't like inhaling other people's smoke, but whatever. I'm sure there's lots of things that I do that are even worse, but you know what I mean? Yeah, you booze hound. I just said I like to party, that's all. You like to party drinking fucking gasoline. I still haven't gotten through this. I was finished mine like an hour ago. Yeah, well well you got

an issue jamie can't even smell his without throwing up look at him over there okay well this was i mean this i was interested to to see the reaction and now this this stuff i guess if i was really lit i'd like it i can drink it so easy that I have to like regulate myself. That's weird. No. How do you feel about other booze? I mean, I like scotch and whiskey. I like bourbon and that's pretty much it.

I really don't like vodka. I don't like gin. Like I don't like, I like wine, but I'm not actually just like an alcoholic. I'm not just like, yeah, I love chugging booze. Oh yeah, yeah. No problem. I'm fine. I'm good.

I'm good. I'm good. Nothing wrong good. I'm good. Nothing wrong at all. No, and you know what? Actually, I mean, this is like a clean alcohol, so I don't actually get hangovers. Oh, it's clean. I'm a scientist. I don't know if I mentioned that earlier, and a doctor.

I'm not. You like clean eating? Like people eat clean? Yeah, yeah, exactly like that. Oh, I eat clean for the most part. Can I drink clean? Kale, ricea. Yeah. I'm not. You like clean eating? Like people eat clean? Yeah, yeah. Exactly like that. I like clean for the most part. And I drink clean. Kale, ricea.

Yeah. Same, same. Like I don't get hangovers because there's no sugar in it. So if you just drank ricea all night, I mean you might- Is that where you think the hangovers are coming from?

Sugar. Really? Okay, am I wrong? Yeah. It's dehydration. Oh, okay. I also drink a lot of water. I mean you probably noticed Yeah, it's dehydration. Oh, okay. I also drink a lot of water. Well, there you go.

That's why. That's why you're not getting hangovers. I thought that it was because it wasn't processed and there wasn't a bunch of chemicals and sugar. Because it's natural and clean. Incorrect. Well, two things. One, according to Dr. Carl Hart, who's an actual addiction specialist, he says that what's happening is that your body actually becomes addicted to alcohol. And what hangovers are is there's an addiction process that happens during a drinking phase.

So, like, say if you're drinking and you get boozed up that night, your body literally starts craving that alcohol. And that part of the hangover is you being addicted to alcohol. That's why people say, you know, take a hair of the dog that bit you. But I hate that. I never want booze the next morning. I think it's gross. Also, if I drink a bunch of Prosecco, I do get a hangover. But if I just drink Ricea, I don't get a hangover. Interesting. So that's why I assume there was like a sugar factor i don't think so well i mean there's probably a bunch of different biological reasons and different people sugar and alcohol both have a lot in common they both cause dehydration

and they're both processed through the liver these commonalities mean that when combined sugary alcoholic drinks produce a much more severe hangover than alcohol alone. So like sangria would fuck you up? There are many theories as to why sugary alcoholic beverages seem to result in a worse hangover than lower sugar

counterparts, but no real proof positive. Daiquiris, sweet martinis, and Mai Tais all contain sugar and alcohol. What is this website? My Gut Health? I just want to know if I'm right or not. I don't know if that's true.

About my theory. The thing that I've noticed is if I drink electrolyte drinks, electrolyte supplements, during and after the booze it has a giant impact on what kind of headaches i have and ironically those things have sugar in them oh okay yeah that is interesting because yeah i'll drink electrolytes after like if i've been out the night before and it does help a lot but i i didn't think about the sugar thing yeah like electrolytes like liquid iv which is

my favorite one has a very specific ratio of glucose to sodium and all the different electrolytes potassium and whatnot and it's like the scientifically designed way they've incorporated these things so it enters into your bloodstream quicker and more effectively and it rehydrates you better. Right. But there is sugar in that. It's like it tastes good. I mean, the hydrate, I do, like I swear to God, like if I'm out drinking, I probably am also drinking like two or three liters of water. Like I drink a lot of water.

I would like to see an actual study, not some wacky My Gut Health. There, 1998 study. It says the same thing pretty much. Same thing. Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Oh, okay. Alcohol says the same thing. Same thing. Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance. Oh, okay. Alcohol causes the body to increase. Well, that makes sense that electrolytes,

if you had electrolytes afterwards, it would help juice it up. It's also a low blood sugar thing. Yeah. Several alterations in the metabolic state of the liver and other organs occur in response to the presence of alcohol in the body. It can result in low blood sugar levels, low glucose levels, or hypoglycemia. So that would make sense where one of those electrolyte supplements would be really good

after you drink. Alcohol-induced hypoglycemia generally occurs after binge drinking over several days in alcoholics who have not been eating. Oh, okay. So you got to eat too. Damn. Either way, not good for you. I mean, so this like,

my theory about ricea being healthy for me was not. It's fucking so bad for you. Like, I feel great. It's great. I think you just sip it. Like, what vitamins are in this booze? Well, it's so rank that I think you just sip it. What vitamins are in this booze? Well, it's so rank that you have to just sip it. Yeah.

Because it tastes like shit. It doesn't taste like shit. I'm not trying to seem tough. I genuinely like the way that it tastes. I believe you. Obviously, people have different kinds of tastes. What's your favorite booze? I like whiskey. Okay. I also love whiskey.... What's your favorite booze? I like whiskey.

Okay. I also love whiskey. Whiskey's a good one. I like scotch. I like bourbon. I like a good aged whiskey, like an eight-year whiskey. That's what I like. Yeah.

I mean, you can't drink that kind of stuff really fast either, or I can anyway. I mean, I feel like whiskey is like a slow drinking thing, even slower. What? Slower than this horseshit? Yeah, dude. I mean, again, like I'm not, I actually drink ricea pretty quickly. You've finished that, right? I finished this so long ago.

Okay, a little bit left. Get you some real stuff. Yeah. A list of things I would rather drink than that. Jägermeister. Okay. This isermeister. Okay. This is still Austin. This is some local whiskey.

Oh, really? Okay, cool. Maybe I should buy some while I'm here. I'll give you a bottle. This is my... Really? That would be awesome. Cheers.

Cheers. Thank you so much. This is real booze. I'm stoked. All right, now we're drinking. I want to see the label. Oh, my God. It's like Kool-Aid compared to that horse to that oh it's so good it's not as good

fine it's it's fine it's fine so are you doing your podcast and everything out of mexico yeah yeah um which is it's working okay it's not ideal because the wi-Fi situation in Sayulita is still a bit whack. Shocking. Yeah, the infrastructure there is not up to par as compared to Vancouver. How crazy. Like, duh. But also right now is the rainy season, so there's like crazy thunderstorms almost every night. And that also doesn't help with things like power and Wi-Fi.

So it's a bit sketchier, but I have been able to manage to do it, which is great because I really don't want to go back to Canada ever again. Ever? I hate it. I hate it. Really? I hate it. Because of all this political shit?

Yeah. Yeah. I loved it for a long time. Like, I was born in Vancouver. I've lived there my whole life. I have friends in Vancouver that I've known. Like, I have a lot of really close friends. Like, my family is there. Like, you know like I have friends there that I've known since I was five years old and

I still don't want to go back and I hate it because I think the politics are so scary and it makes me feel so scared that nobody's standing up that they're just going along um I really think yeah yeah and they they trust the government a lot and they're just going along. Because they're so agreeable. Yeah, yeah. And they trust the government a lot and they're just – they're really passive. And they're scared of their friends. Like they're scared to say anything to go against the grain, right? That's been the most disturbing thing about this pandemic is people turning against other people. Yeah.

And just being scared. Yeah. And just being scared. Generally, when you put people in a high anxiety state and and they're like, if I get COVID, I'm going to die. And I'm like, you're not going to die. You're not going to die. You're the same age as me. You don't have like diabetes. You're not going to die of COVID. But there's a lot of people I think

who just feel like they have no control over the situation so they don't know what to do. So I think they try to control other people or police other people. And that's their form of control or their form of control is following the rules. Like, okay, just like shut down my brain, put my mask on, stay in my apartment,

don't go anywhere. Like, you know, they just don't know what to do. And to me, like, that's not my nature. My nature is the opposite of that. So I don't totally relate but yeah Canadians very passive very interested in going along very interested in being told what to do and it's really dangerous like I like I feel like everybody needs to reread 1984 actually when I got to Mexico the first book that I read I read like the last time I'd read it was in like college or maybe even high school or something. And I reread it and it was terrifying.

Yeah. It's, it's very foreshadowing, right? Yeah, absolutely. And even like that idea of, you know, going along with something that, you know, to be untrue, you know, you know, that person's not really a woman, but you're just going to say you know you know that person's not really a woman but you're just gonna say it you know that's like that step in that direction yeah exactly exactly and you know yeah it's just it's really depressing and scary how many people haven't paid attention to history and can't see the path that they're going down well what's weird to me was that it was one of the first things that biden did in getting into office was to make it so that high school kids can compete in the gender that they identify with like out of all the shit that's wrong in this country right now all all the

issues that we're facing that's one of the first things you do this weird just fucking wave to the woke and he promised to do that and he yeah but he doesn't remember i mean fair but i just mean people voted for him you know feminists that i know voted for him like feminists who are who have been working against this gender identity shit for a long time and who have been fighting it still voted for Biden because they're like, oh, well, not Trump. Trump's awful. And I don't like Trump, but I, for sure, I didn't vote in this election.

I actually am an American citizen, but I've never lived in America before, so I've not actually voted. How's that work? What? How are you an American citizen? My mom's American. I've dual.

Oh, nice. I know. That's why I was like, I could actually move here. I mean, I'm happy in Mexico, but I actually have been considering trying to do like part time. I mean, it would be helpful for work and also accessing. Actual internet. Some things that don't exist in my like dusty little weird, sketchy Mexican town. Yeah, there you go.

I could like have clean clothes um but like i i said you know like i was like if i lived in the u.s i would vote for trump um because i think biden's scarier partly because of the gender identity stuff which again he promised to do he said you know one of the first things that i'll do when I if I win the election is to, you know, make it so that boys and men can compete against girls and women in sports. And he did. And, you know, the fact that he's obviously in bed with big tech. And it's like, I may not like Trump and I may think he's an idiot or an asshole or like a buffoon, but I don't at all think that he's as dangerous as Biden. And

people really freaked out at me over that. And I was just like, why would you vote for somebody who's going to take away all of your rights and has promised to take away all your rights? You know, like you're destroying sex-based rights. Sorry, not all of your rights. I shouldn't say that. But take away sex-based rights. You're a woman. And you're a woman who's very concerned about this. And you just can't break out of this Trump thing. And it's not like I'm saying, oh, you should vote for Trump. But like, why are you voting for this person who's working against you openly? Well, the media did a great job of highlighting any negative issue about Trump and constantly beating it into people's brains that he's a misogynist, that he's a racist, that he's a this, that he's a that,

and exaggerating any flaws that he may have had ad nauseum, any slurs in his speech, any things that he fucked up or gigantic huge red flags. But then you see it the opposite with Biden. They're letting Biden slide. Like watching Don Lemon interview him and watching him babble in these weird, nonsensical, circular sentences that don't mean anything, just talking, just making noises with his face. Like, what did you just say? He's not saying anything. And Don Lemon is there pretending that it makes sense. Like, if he was talking to Trump, he would for sure say, oh my God, this man is not fit for office.

This man is mentally impaired. There's something wrong here. We have a huge issue. It's a national security issue. We need to deal with this right now. But the fact that they don't look at Biden the same way they would look at Trump in terms of judging him by his actual speech and actions. There's a little bit of that

going on right now because of Afghanistan. And what's interesting is Michael Malice actually pointed this out. I think he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos. Is that who it was? I don't know about this. Anyway, they made him orange. Really? They used. Yes. They used something where either that or you got a fake tan. Either he got a fake tan or they use the same sort of color correction and filters that they would use with Trump.

But Biden, in his most latest interview, looks orange. All of a sudden. He used to look like this translucent sort of jellyfish skinned dying man and now he's got Trump skin. Weird. Let's see if you can find that video. Because it's fucking odd and Malice

pointed out. Malice was like I think they're doing that to make people think of Trump because they're throwing him under the bus now yeah they're throwing him under the bus on cnn they're throwing him under the bus on mainstream media this is all biden's fault i mean i i just i think like the the knee-jerking like the knee-jerking stuff around trump versus biden i think is so representative of how, you know, progressives engage with all politics. Like it's all not thinking and knee jerking. It's all like this is what we all have it like. It's all we support.

We support BLM. We support trans people. We hate Trump. We support trans people. We hate Trump. Anyone who has anything critical to say about these movements is a white supremacist or a bigot or a transphobe. Nobody's thinking. Look at this.

Oh, what a nice tan. How crazy is that? Biden dismisses Afghans falling out of planes by saying it was four or five days ago. Yeah, totally. Look at what they're doing. How strange. We've seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17. We've seen Afghans falling.

That was four days ago, five days ago. What did you think when you first saw those pictures? But we've all seen the pictures. What does that mean? He's like, it's like when someone sends you a meme, like, bro, I saw it last week. That's what he's saying about people falling out of fucking planes didn't you see that on Instagram?

I saw that on Instagram what does that mean? is that bad? is it nothing? because it's four days ago? we all saw that already that was during the Korean war why are you bringing that up?

four days ago he's so dead during the Korean War. Why are you bringing that up? It was pretty upsetting. Four days ago. Pretty big deal. He's so dead. Yeah. He's so cognitively impaired. Like, it's so disturbing to watch. And zero faith as a leader. No one has faith in him to make good decisions.

No, of course not. They lie and they pretend they do. But no one looks at him and goes, he's fucking nailing it. The guy's got it. Like, when Obama was in office, when Obama would speak, you would go, that guy is fucking smart. do but no one looks at him and go he's fucking nailing it the guy's got it like when obama was in office when obama would speak you would go that guy is fucking smart yeah that guy's cool calm and collected he's a statesman i loved obama i mean i know that he's not perfect on policy but he's obviously a very intelligent competent man quite charming quite funny yes that that sold me

like these things agree yeah and a perfect representative of the United States in terms of the way he speaks. He's so eloquent. He's so respected. He's so classy. Never lost his shit. Great taste in music. I think the policy thing, and I think in terms of enforcing foreign policy in particular, I think we have an illusion of how much control they actually have. I think in terms of like enforcing foreign policy in particular, I just I think we have an illusion of how much control they actually have. You know, I think the deep state, the idea of the deep state is real. There's people that are in politics that they're in office and government that never leave. Well, how would somebody like Biden end up in power? Like what a useless person to put in power.

Exactly. Oh, and also it showed how hypocritically.'s like let's just stick him there it showed how hypocritically people are when they talk to when they how hypocritical critical people are when it comes to sexual assault because like all the allegations against Biden they were like well I don't believe her but what happened all that believe all women shit like where where was all that like that well, I don't believe her. But what happened to all that believe all women shit? Like, where was all that? Well, that's a really stupid mantra to begin with. It is. But, I mean, like, obviously you shouldn't just believe all women no matter what. I mean, again, this is another one of those things.

Like I said, you know, like I've sort of been, like, moving away from feminism. And it doesn't mean that I'm not a feminist anymore. Like, I've actually been, ironically, like, under attack by the radical feminists lately who are the radical feminists like what do you have to name names but like I know Christina off summers gets attacked by them I mean I don't I mean they identify themselves as radical feminists they're people they're I mean I guess their ideology generally would be like they would be anti pornography they would be anti-prostitution they would be anti the gender identity stuff that's you anti-pornography they would be anti-prostitution they would be anti the gender identity stuff that's you wait a minute you just outed yourself lady okay okay okay okay but there's more it's

like um i mean i i don't believe but you just listed off the three things that you i don't want to upend the system oh i don't believe men are responsible for all off the three things that you like. I don't want to upend the system. Oh, okay. I don't believe men are responsible for all of the bad things that happen in the world. Right. They're going to get mad at me again because now they're going to act like I'm stereotyping. But, I mean, the answer is men. Men are the problem. Right. Men are responsible for all of the, you know, violence, all the bad things that happen in this world.

Men have all this power. Men are always in a position of privilege. Women are always victims like i don't believe that at all um i don't believe that women are like not responsible for their choices in life i think that women should you know take responsibility for the choices that they make and i feel like radical feminism i mean maybe you know feminism in general does this it's probably not just radical feminism, I mean, maybe, you know, feminism in general does this. It's probably not just radical feminism. Goes in too hard on this, like, women are perpetual victims and they can't be blamed, even for bad behavior. So even if a woman acts like shitty or acts like a bitch or says something horrible, it's like, well, you know, the patriarchy, like, she's suffered under patriarchy her whole life. She's been abused.

Like this lack of um accountability women don't have to be accountable for the things that they do and you know i i that's a good question like who are the radical feminists i mean they're women who identify themselves as radical feminists and they've turned against me in part because i've been trying to have more nuanced conversations, even about pornography. Like, yes, I'm anti-pornography, but I also recently sort of tried to say like, OK, I, you know, men use pornography. Most men use pornography. This is a reality. All of those men are bad men. I can't say in good faith that all men who use pornography are

like misogynist or hate women. And that's what these women would say. Any man who consumes pornography hates women, hates women, or is a misogynist. I'm like, okay, I mean, that's like a lot of men. And it's a lot of men that I know, you know, that's like my boyfriends or like my male friends. And I understand the train of thought because they're thinking of the porn industry as this hugely unethical, again, exploitative, abusive industry. And they're saying if a man's making a choice to consume this and he knows that she doesn't want to be there, he knows that she's being hurt or he knows that she's being abused then obviously he doesn't care about women obviously he's a misogynist and i'm like but that's not always the case and he doesn't know that that's not what men are thinking about for the most part when they're you know watching pornography they're not thinking oh this woman is being abused like and we have to be able to have real honest empathetic compassionate conversations with one

another and it doesn't fucking help like if you want to stop men from using pornography do you think screaming you're a misogynist is gonna stop him like you're a horrible person like you hate women he's gonna be like oh i do hate women i should stop like yeah and they got really angry at me because they accused me essentially of coddling men they also called me a ball palmer a ball palmer what is a ball palmer you're palming balls i mean you're cradling balls and i was like well what does that mean it means have you ever heard that a ball palmer not in a ironic context i don't think but like they're they're accusing me of being like so like enamored with men that i can't think straight basically that i'm coddling men but i found the term very amusing because they called me a ball

palmer and i was like well i mean what i'm like a heterosexual woman so is there something that works like that the opposite for men is there like a a breast oh like it would be like um pussy whipped probably right yeah i guess so but no but that's not even the same thing that's like a guy who's just got him like googly that's called uh simp i think oh okay simp maybe that's better right i just looked up ball palmer and it doesn't come up it's just a radical feminist insult for women who aren't like... A ball palmer. I know. I really like it.

Like, I've been using it a lot. I found it very funny. But, you know, like, it's essentially like if I'm not going to vilify men, like, if I'm not, like, hard-ass enough, then I'm a ball palmer. Got it. Like, I'm, like, I'm too soft on men, basically.

I got it. And I'm like, I'm just trying to talk to people like I'm genuinely like I want to understand people even if they're people I don't agree with like god forbid um and I you know like if you genuinely want to change people's minds then you have to treat them as humans and be fair and I think you do have to try to understand them not if they're like horrible like murderers or they're sociopaths or whatever, but just regular people. I mean, you think that everybody in the world has been exposed to like a radical feminist analysis of pornography? Like, no, no one has and nobody cares.

You have to have conversations with people. Has anyone ever successfully argued for pornography? Have you ever heard anybody like making good arguments, whether it's a woman or a man, like for pornography? I mean, I think that people would argue that, um, men need a sexual outlet. So, so I just interviewed on my YouTube channel, a woman who's a stripper and she's actually anti-porn, but she's, she's worked as a stripper for like 20 years and, and she's a feminist. And, you know, she, she was like, the reality is that like a lot of men don't have access to sex or they don't have access to as much sex as they want to have, or they don't have access to the kind of sex they want to have and like what do we do with men what do we do with those men um how do we deal with this and the radical feminists

would say too bad fuck them like go masturbate in your corner right like no but really like it's like yeah like right you know it's not my problem yeah and like and i think on a certain level, women really don't totally understand the male libido and male sexuality. Like I assume it's probably different than how women feel or think about sex. It's one of the things that trans men always say. They have a different understanding once they start taking testosterone. Like, oh, God. Yeah. No wonder why men are so pushy. Yeah. I thought you were why men are so pushy. Yeah.

I thought you were going to say, like, perverted. Perverted, too. That, too. Just horny. Yeah. Like, I think it's more intense. Well, it's, I mean, males in general, because of just biological history, we have more of a history of aggression more of a history of uh like also like the competition for mating like it's the competition amongst males is very aggressive like if one man finds i was just a friend of mine was just telling me this story about this woman

who was who's dating one guy and then she broke up with this guy and then dated a guy that worked with him and it became this fucking colossal catastrophe these guys had a fistfight at work and i was like holy shit but that's like standard male breeding behavior amongst wolves amongst gorillas amongst like all sorts of different male animals. Like this is mine or like it's a threat to my masculinity? I think there's a, well, it's a threat to their hierarchy, their position in the social food chain. The idea that, you know, that now they don't get to breed with this female, but now this other male gets to breed with this female,

whether it's a gorilla or a male or a wolf or whatever and then there's like fuck him you know and then there's this weird sort of natural built-in shit and with beta males it's like you know reputation destruction they'll talk shit about you behind your back and you know and mail things to your ex-girlfriends and you know get crazy in that way but there's a weird sort of uh aggression thing that's involved with testosterone and dating you know it's a it's a weird uh it's it's an undeniable aspect of some aspect of some parts of of male behavior yeah i mean men are obviously super competitive in that way.

I mean, I've had that experience, yeah, like with men that I've broken up with and there's no thing and, like, we're friends and it's been a long time. They get furious. And they get super, like, competitive and weird when I start dating someone else. And it's like, man, you're dating somebody else. Like, you don't want me.

Like, we're not this, like, you know, it's not that you want me. It's that it's like, oh, somebody, it's like. It's like men are supposed to and they should figure out a way to manage that. But I think we need to recognize that there's some sort of weird inherent programming in human beings that's biological, that is completely about passing on your DNA and that is ingrained in your cells in some strange way that manifests itself in relationships in really gross and horrible ways. And there's no management skills that are taught to men. There's no mitigation skills in terms of like strategies of releasing this kind of aggressive energy working out going to the gym maybe jerking off before you call your girlfriend and say you're

sorry like that kind of stuff like there's so many or your ex-girlfriend rather there's so many weird things that are involved with being a biological human being whether it's female or male and so yeah exactly and so telling men to just suppress it is like the least helpful thing ever like it's like oh you feel this way like too bad fuck you fuck off like you're bad you're pathetic like it's like you're right like and men aren't you know men aren't offered and boys especially they're not offered alternatives they're not offered like healthy outlets again like sports or martial arts i think more importantly they're not offered like healthy outlets again like sports or martial arts i think more importantly they're not offered an understanding of a female's perspective either

like that's a real big they think about what they want especially when people are young right when you're young and your frontal lobe hasn't developed you're not you're thinking about what you want you're not thinking about what the other person wants and i think from an early age it would be great if we had a better understanding like a real honest understanding of how the other side thinks. Yes, exactly. And I feel like that was the conversation that I was trying to open up. And, you know, my audience includes, you know, primarily like a lot of I mean, there's men in my audience, too, but obviously tons and tons of feminists and tons and tons of radical feminists. And I'm saying like, we have to try, we don't understand each other and we have to try to understand each other and be realistic about what's going on. And we live in a world where boys are growing up on pornography and this is how they're learning about sex. And this is how

they're learning about women. And it's totally normalized. there's nobody saying like oh maybe this might not be the best thing for you to be jerking off to and you're like rewiring your brain so this is the thing that turns you on and this thing is like i don't know unhealthy or harmful or or violent or whatever like and you know people people just want to shut it down or they don't want to talk about it or they just want to, you know, shut it down. Like, you know, the people who don't really feel concerned about porn will more likely be like, oh, it's just sex. It's just a fantasy. I think also we have to take into consideration the way girls' brains are being rewired because they're looking at that in terms of what the expectations on them are.

Yeah, totally. Like I read this study and it was kind of a fucked up study because it was like a study about how kids are having much more anal sex now than ever before. Yeah. And part of me was like, what kind of scientist is like,

what do you want to study? I want to study kids butt fucking. You know? How many teenagers are having anal sex? Let's poll. Hey, I want to talk

to that fucking scientist and make sure they're on the up and up. But the reality is that seeing those images, like any child that has access to a phone, your little perverted friends are going to say, have you Googled this yet? Have you seen that? Most parents don't have restrictions on their kids' phones. So if you give a boy a phone, you're basically saying, hey, little fella, go watch people fuck. Go watch violence and go watch people fuck. Go watch gunshot videos and car accidents.

Go find the most deranged shit that you can find. Yes. Your brain's developing. This is perfect. That's what they're doing. Look at this. I think the expectations on girls is another thing that should be studied about that, too. Because if you're watching grown adults that enjoy participating in kinky shit, that's a grown adult that's been through the ringer.

They've been through a lot of things in their life, and then they have two shots of this wacky shit that you like. And they're like, go ahead, put it in my ass. This is the problem. The problem is like they're doing two shots of rice and they're like, yeah, put it anywhere. Yeah, exactly. They're getting crazy. And then, you know, some high school girl sees that and like, is that what we're supposed to do? Is that what we do? Like, do we have to say we like that so that people like us yes and this is like a huge problem and it makes me really upset

like i feel really bad for girls who are growing up in this world around the time we started today this is kind of like the news of the day online i'm seeing only fans has announced they're gonna ban sexually explicit videos oh what i thought that was their whole business model what everyone's been discussing in the article if you read into it It does say what they're trying to get rid of Is like bestiality and rape And all sorts like Everything that would be bad

But it's all getting encompassed in this blanket statement Do you think this has anything to do with Rachel Dolezal opening up her old fans I think that's a very bad timing for her Is that real? Did that happen? He sent it to me. I can't believe it took her so long, honestly. And one of the things is like cooking and exercise, but also feet.

Yes, she did mention that. Race faker. Look at how the Daily Beast is titled it. Oh, my God. Race faker. Rachel Dolezal's new side hustle. Only fans. I mean, I'm not saying that I support it, but it's like, I mean

she obviously lost access to almost any income, so I'm saying I'm surprised it took her this long. Look what she used to look like. How bizarre. Like with her fake tan. I feel bad for her. Do you feel like what she does is any different than

someone who identifies with a different gender? Sex. So gender and sex are not the same thing gender so gender to me gender means masculinity or femininity so that's like referring to the roles that are assigned to people based on their sex. So like those stereotypes where it's like... So a feminine male, his gender is female? Like a guy who's in a gay relationship, but he's the wife? So I don't think that gender is a very useful concept. Okay, let's just say sex.

Okay, great. But just to get away from that, do you think that what she does or did, when she says she identifies with African-Americans. No, I don't think it's the same thing. And I don't, I mean, this is a very complex conversation. Is there racial dysphoria? Like there's gender dysphoria?

I mean, maybe. Those people are crazy too. But I don't, you know, like did you watch the documentary about her? No. Okay, it's good. I can't. I can't. I can barely get through

this HBO documentary on QAnon oh okay I watched that one yeah yeah I'm four episodes in it keeps going back and forth now now I was for a moment I was thinking it was Steve Bannon but now I'm back to that fucking kid keep at it. It's a good – best of luck. It's a good documentary. Like, it's sympathetic and deservedly so. Like, she had a really hard childhood. Like, there was abuse. And, like, I think she just was seeking and she found an identity.

And she also – like, she was doing good in that community. She was. She was the head of the NAACP. Like, no, it's not good to say that you're black when you're white. But, I mean, she didn't actually do any harm by doing that. And I do think that, I mean, race is not as black and white as sex is, right? Right. Because we all come from Africa.

Like all human beings. Yeah, and we're all like a crazy mix. And also there isn't actually, I mean, you know, in Canada and in the United States, people act like there's this binary, like white versus black. And, you know, whites are in power and black people don't have power. And racism always goes in one direction. And that's total bullshit.

Like, I mean, the history of the world shows otherwise. Right. But, yeah, it's just it's not a binary thing. It's not black and white. She wasn't trying to I don't think she was going out of her way to sort of like usurp a position that should have been for a black person i think she was looking for community and she was looking for purpose and trying to help and um and yeah and she was troubled like she probably has some like mental illness issues well she changed her name do you know what her new name is no you need to is it colin no

colin would be more realistic is it mark new name it's like some like african priest name it's it's the most ridiculous name okay so she's a little bit crazy but you need to see it i feel bad for her but she did it. She wanted to let everyone know. Like it was... That she's officially African? Officially she had... Yeah, I mean, she's all in with this transracial thing. She's not abandoning it. She's changed

her name. What is her name? This was a while ago. Oh, it was four days ago. Four days ago! People were falling out of planes. Let it go. That was four days ago. That's all four days ago. Hanging on the tires. Four days ago. Four days ago. People were falling out of planes. Let it go. That was four days ago. Four days ago. Hanging on the tires. Four days ago. It was over four days ago. They're dead by now. Sorry, that was crude. No big deal.

No big deal. Look at my orange skin. They made him orange. Did you notice that? I think they're fucking with him. I think he's on his way out. I really do. I think Michael Malice is correct. Who will they put in now? How about this new name? Nkechi Amare Diallo. Her new full name, Nkechi Amare Diallo.

It's a West African name that means gift of God. Oh, no. Yeah, see? I mean, poor lady. Now I'm not on her team anymore. Now I'm not on her side. now i'm not on her side okay but she's mentally ill she's troubled sure but you like that that's okay i don't like it no i feel bad for her right do you feel bad for trans people she doesn't have sure yes if you

genuine if you're suffering because you you hate body, you feel so uncomfortable in your skin, of course I feel bad for you. But do you think that should be okay? Is it okay to be transracial? No. But I feel bad for her. She's not a threat to anybody. and policy and it's having like a really really serious negative impact on half of the population versus one lady who's had a sad life and you know she's just trying to yeah that's a good point that's a good point so it's different if it was like a major phenomenon and like people were losing

uh access to like funding or jobs or whatever because know, white people were posing as black and getting funding instead or getting these positions instead or whatever it is like. That's reasonable. And really, and again, like, you know, the, this, this thing where like these men who are entering into women's spaces really are a threat to women in a physical sense and as well as in a political sense I don't think that that's again such a black and white so he issue when it comes to race has being kicked off of Twitter made you more free in terms of your ability to discuss things because you don't get the same sort of like instantaneous

feedback on your ideas that you do with Twitter, which I think is in some ways positive, like the discussions that you can have with people, but in a lot of ways negative because a lot of what you're dealing with is just people complaining and criticizing and insulting and being like really shitty in a way that people generally don't do in real life. They only do when they're hiding behind a screen name and only using text and not in front of the person so they don't get social cues and they don't get to see the impact that their insulting statements have on this person's personality. You know, they're doing it like they're throwing bombs over a fence and they can't see what's on the other side.

I mean, I had a lot of support on Twitter, to be honest, and I think that that was part of why they got rid of me. Like, I think people were feeling emboldened by what I was saying and I was getting a lot of support and they were like, I don't know who they is, I don't know if it's, it's like you know trans activists who had connections at Twitter or who worked there or you know whether it was the head of safety who's again I can't say her name you know if they were like oh she's getting too much traction and this is starting to like legitimize like I was talking about this stuff in a rational way right like I wasn't I wasn't being an asshole is that

part of the problem yes yeah like I think that these questions that i was asking were legitimate and making people question this ideology and i think they didn't want that whoever they is but like so i actually didn't i wasn't having a bad time on twitter you know like i got a lot of shit, but like, who cares? Like, I feel like it's so blown out of proportion, this idea that people are being devastated by online harassment. I think that cancel culture can be really awful and ruin people's lives, but being called names on Twitter, I mean, who cares?

Just block them. Like, somebody says something mean to you, somebody insults your appearance, even somebody threatens you, like, it's not as big a deal as people pretend it is I mean I've been threatened more than like most people in the world on the internet and I I don't really care that much and part of it is probably that I'm used to it part of it is that I think I just have a thick skin like as a person I'm not a super I'm not sensitive

in that way like I'm not super upset by what people say to me yeah yes I'm not a super, I'm not sensitive in that way. Like I'm not super upset by what people say to me. Yeah. Yes, I'm not fragile. Thank you. Did you? So no, like it doesn't help. It's been worse. The only thing that's been good about being kicked off of Twitter is that I can have these conversations and that, you know what?

Like it actually connected me with a whole bunch of people that I never would have connected with otherwise. connected me with a whole bunch of people that I never would have connected with otherwise. You know, like people who are right wing, like people who I wrote off as like a committed leftist and feminist, like people like, like I, Ben Shapiro called me after I got kicked off of Twitter and he was like, can I support you? And I think he's a really nice guy. And I never would have talked to him or considered that you know like he's not just like an enemy to my cause um and it made it really shook up my ideas about politics and about this like left right binary and and you know made me very passionate about free speech and I wasn't before and I feel bad about that and I've apologized about that publicly like I never really bothered I was never openly against

free speech but I never really bothered standing up for free speech I never thought about it much in Canada we really don't and now I realize it's and it's unfortunate that something like that would have to happen to me in order for me to realize how important it is and to stand up but it did and it made me realize how awful and destructive and dangerous these uh corporate monopolies are these big tech monopolies are and they are they're really fucking dangerous and a lot of people don't realize i i agree and uh i think free speech is almost everything it's the only way we ever discuss things and figure out what's right and what's wrong. And you got to let it sort itself out. And if you don't, if you just put the walls up and say you're kicked out of the kingdom, like, wow, like you're especially, you know, we're not, we're not talking about a small scale thing. We're talking about a massive

multi-billion member thing. We're talking about what essentially should be a utility. It should be a public right to use these things to communicate. And it's one thing if you're doxing people or harassing people, but if you're just discussing ideas, you should be able to discuss ideas openly and without fear of repercussion from the administrators who are essentially just appealing to one particular ideology and not supporting the other ideology at all. It's fucking dangerous and it's unprecedented because there's never been a thing like this before.

And the people that, well, their side is supported by these conversations and these people getting censored, they're like, well, it's a private company. They can do what they like. It's a nonsense, horseshit argument. This is not a private company. This is essentially just like a utility. It's massive.

There's way too many people, and the impact that it has is so huge. Here's how fucking ridiculous they are. The Taliban's on Twitter, and you're not. And not me. And you're not. I mean, to be fair, I am worse than the taliban do you know how crazy that is the taliban's on twitter but little old you like she said him yeah i mean i like i know i i i just think that and the private company argument is coming from leftists or progressives. And it's like, oh, suddenly you're a fan of corporate monopolies.

Like hilarious. And what a joke. Like, please, you cannot in good faith pretend that this is just like a business. Like this is where conversations happen. This is where journalism happens. Like I'm a journalist. I don't actually produce very much journalism these days, but like I'm a writer. Like I'm trained in journalism journalism like this is my job like you can't it's very difficult

to participate in public conversations and to do your job if you're like a media producer or a journalist without access to social media platforms well impossible now yeah um but you still you still have instagram right i well yeah but you have Facebook as well? Yeah, but so I was just, I was really just using Twitter before I got kicked off because I don't, I mean, I honestly don't love social media, to be honest, and I really don't like Facebook at all. So I didn't have a public Facebook account. I didn't have a public Instagram account. I didn't have a YouTube channel.

And then I got kicked off and I was like, oh, shit. Like... Put all your eggs in one basket. Yeah. I never, I was, I was shocked was shocked I cried I'm not joking I cried when I got kicked off of Twitter well I was scared like I was like I how am I gonna work like how am I gonna make an income and I just didn't think that would happen like again I didn't think I was doing anything offensive. I wasn't doing anything offensive. But I just didn't anticipate it. I remember somebody asking me, John Kay, who's a Canadian journalist,

and he was like, well, you must have seen it coming. And I was like, no. I was totally shocked, and I was really upset, and I was scared. Well, they've ramped up their censorship to the point where Sean Baker, who is an advocate of the carnivore diet, he's a guy who, he's like this very fit guy who's in his, I think he's 55, and, you know, posts these videos. He's an orthopedic surgeon, I believe. He's some sort of physician.

He's an actual,ic surgeon, I believe. He's some sort of physician. He's an actual medical doctor. And he believes that meat is the healthiest thing for people to eat. It's a very controversial opinion. Some people agree. Some people disagree. There's more than one doctor that agrees with him, though. But meanwhile, he just got kicked off Twitter for this. Ridiculous.

They banned him. They banned him from Twitter? He's banned forever from Twitter. They don't offer any explanation. Crazy. And most of his posts are just about meat, about social perspective, whatever it is, they think that it's bad for the environment of the world. They kicked him off Twitter. So, I mean, you've talked to these guys.

Like, what do you think? Like, you had Jack Dorsey here and, oh, my God. Please let me learn how to say her name. Vidja? Yeah. And, like, are they lying? Like, I felt when they talked about me here, I thought they were lying about me. I was like, you know, Jack Dorsey might be out to lunch and may not have known what happened to me. But I think she knows and she lied.

Like, you know, they essentially implied that I had been harassing people. Like, oh, well, you know, there's a long history of her, like, harassing trans people. I was like, yeah, that's what I do with my time. I harass trans people yeah like oh well you know there's a long history of her like harassing trans people like yeah that's what i do with my time i harass trans people on the internet like you know they have to justify their their censorship like is it just sort of when when people like him are being banned for advocating an all-meat diet or whatever he's doing is he advocating an all-meat diet yeah i mean i've heard of this before and i know people who've i mean i guess jordan peterson was doing that yeah right um like is it politically motivated or is just like you got reported one too many times or they're like oh this is a not progressive position so we've got to get rid of it i think that's it yeah i think

that's it he's he's aggressive in his evangelism for it. And I think they just decided at one point in time that they just were going to get rid of him. And now he's banned permanently. It's fucking wild. Are you suing them? Are you suing Twitter? Well, we did, but we lost. Oh. of Section 230, which is supposed to protect platforms

from being essentially held accountable for what people post on their platform. So I have a website, so if somebody posted a comment. Tell me your website. Feminist Current. Feministcurrent.com or.ca? .com.

Okay. And then I also have a podcast and a YouTube show. It's called The Same Drugs with Megan Murphy. I'm Megan Murphy. The Same Drugs? It's like a shout out to Chance the Rapper, who I'm a big fan of his and I really like that song.

But also sort of I felt like there was some kind of like zeitgeist thing where everybody was changing their minds in the same direction at the same time starting to like question or not everyone obviously but question orthodoxies and the kind of interviews same drugs with me that's me conversations outside the algorithm oh jamie and you got your hoops on and everything look at you yeah yeah that's me that's what i look like that is you you're here right now i'm looking at you i i've watched many of your youtube videos and uh you're it's very interesting that's one of the reasons why i wanted to talk to you okay you know you're when you're portrayed one way

as being this like hostile uh disagreeable uh unreasonable person who's harassing people and then i actually see you talk and i'll it's it's frustrating I hate that I hate when people are misrepresented it drives me nuts it's just it's it's rude and it's it's diametrically opposed to free speech right free speech is supposed to be about a person expressing themselves and I want to know what they really think and then I want to know is there a counter to that and who's right and let these people talk. But when you misrepresent someone and you taint them and you change who they are, you've already poisoned the argument. You're you're you've already poisoned the argument. Right. And I felt like I didn't know about you until I found out you got kicked off of Twitter. And then someone let me know that you got kicked off of Twitter for saying a woman isn't a man. And I'm like, so you're – but she's right. Like we're talking about biology.

Like what do you say – like what are you allowed to say and why are you not allowed to say that? Like what is – what are you trying to protect by stopping this from being said? And why can't we have that said and then have someone counter that in a way that's intelligent and robust and like let's have a debate and a discussion and see if there's common ground that we can reach if there's a some sort of a reasonable amicable sort of a workaround for this but instead banner yeah and this has been one of my biggest frustrations is that no one will debate me so these people who say that i'm hateful or bigoted and completely the misrepresentation thing completely drives me crazy i can't lie i don't think i'm ever gonna get over

it not when i'm misrepresented not when other people are like you you were talking about these like spotify employees who are trying to like get rid of you which is of course ridiculous but it's like do you listen to this show like how could they say like how can they like i don't actually believe they listen to your show just like i don't believe that the people who misrepresent me are actually listening to what i'm saying because i don't know how they could listen to what i'm saying and then say those things about me they don't care yeah it's not they don't care to be truthful they care they have an ideology they have very there's very clear

borders of what's allowed and what's not allowed you stepped outside that border by saying a woman is never a man they're like that bitch you know like yeah how dare you clutch those pearls you you've fucked up their little narrative but it's um it But it's the wrong way to approach any debatable issue. And this is clearly a confusing, nuanced, debatable issue. Well, and so this booze is really good, by the way. I'm really enjoying it. That's the real shit. I'm trying to like.

American whiskey. Still Austin. Right here, baby. But I'm like, okay, water, whiskey, water, whiskey. Yeah, fuck all this, baby. Okay, water whiskey. Yeah, fuck all this nonsense. You're drinking paint thinner. I mean, more than one thing can be good. This is good if the apocalypse happens, because I think you could use it as gas.

Okay, well, great. The apocalypse is coming, so you're welcome for your gift. I don't even smell that bottle when I pushed it. It wafted up into me. I'll never drink that again. That's fine. Thank you for that gift. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

Okay, so, these people won't debate me. People have tried to set up debates between me, like the monk debates, and nobody will do it. Who would be the person to debate you on the other side?

Anybody who advocates gender identity ideology, right? Like anybody who thinks that the concept of changing sex is legitimate. Anyone really who thinks the concept of like, you know, transgender in general, I would be interested in debating because I don't think that is a rational concept. And nobody will do it. And to me, that speaks volumes about their position because I would debate anybody. You know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I've been wrong lots of times before. I've changed my mind about lots of things.

I don't find it embarrassing. I don't, you know, like I'm happy to change my mind. If I change my mind, I'm like, great, I learned something new. Other people don't like it when I change my mind. Yeah, that's okay. But they're like, we thought you were our, keep saying the same thing over and over and over again because otherwise we're going to have to rethink what we're saying

over and over and over again. She's a flip-flopper. Yeah. Well, you can't be married to your ideas. You just can't because then you will be literally attached to the first ideas you've ever had. The whole idea about being a human being is you learn and you grow and you see things from different perspectives. And it's one of the most incredibly beneficial things that I've gotten out of this podcast is that I get to talk to so many different people. With so many different backgrounds, so many different perspectives, and it's informed

me and changed my perspective on things. And it's made me a much more nuanced thinker because I get to see things from other people's eyes. I get to listen to their arguments. I get to hear their impassioned pleas and go, oh, that makes sense. Okay. I see why you say that. Okay. I didn't think about it that way. I love that. I love when someone says something, I go, oh, okay. All right. I mean, it's an ego battle, right? Because you don't want to be wrong, but you got to know when the idea that you were attached to is a bad idea.

Don't be married to them. These are not, you are not your ideas. You're a thinking organism. And when ideas come across you, they should be carefully examined. And any of them that are forcing you to adopt them without any scrutiny, those are dangerous. These dogmatic positions that you see where people rigidly adhere to ideologies, it's one of the reasons why free speech is so fucking important. Because those things are how you lead to dictatorship. Those things are how you lead to communism. Those

things are how you lead to a literal inability to debate, discuss, and examine things. Because some things cannot be discussed. the thing that cannot be said that the ideas that cannot be examined those are bullshit it's terrible when you can't count yourself as like an intelligent person or a critical thinker if you won't do that if you won't challenge your own ideas or let your ideas be challenged and your idea is not valid right like if you're not going to challenge your own. Like if you're not going to challenge your own ideas and if you're not going to allow others to challenge your ideas, then your idea is not valid. It has to be put to the test, essentially. And it's incredible to me how few people understand

that and think that what strength is, is to just stick doggedly to the thing that you've always said. Like, I'm not, you've been saying the same thing for 20 years. Like, hopefully you've changed your mind about things since you were 20 years old and now you're 40. I mean, that's what growth and wisdom is. I mean, how sad and pathetic if you still believe all the same things you did in your 20s. But they do they see it as as a form of of weakness i guess or you know again like i i know that i'm being repetitive but it's like i really i i came from that place where you know i did post like hyperbolic

statements on twitter and i was kind of black and white in my thinking in terms of certain issues. And I did think that people who saw things differently were bad or dumb or whatever. And, you know, having nuanced conversations is so much harder and for whatever reason, so much more controversial and you get attacked so much more. I get, I mean, you do, of course, too, but I get attacked for having conversations with people, even if I don't agree with them, just because I'm having the conversation with them.

Yeah, but you platform them. Yeah, and people assume that I agree with them because I'm having the conversation with them and I'm not being mean to them or I'm not like, you're a terrible person. I'm like, but they're not a terrible person. We just have different ideas. The Ben Shapiro example is a good one. Ben's a friend of mine. I like him a lot. I disagree with him on many, many, many things, but I like him. I think he's a very friendly guy. He's a very nice

guy. And I like talking to him. I really like him too. And he's super smart. Like, like, yeah, of course I don't agree with him on all things. We're very different people, but I think he's super smart. I think he's super ethical. He's legit. Like I have so much more respect for somebody who is honest and authentic. Yes. And, you know, rational versus somebody who's going to doggedly stick to ideology no matter what, even if they don't believe it, even if they're proven wrong, even if it doesn't make sense, like it's not a coherent argument, you know, like I don't I don't want that. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in truth. I'm interested in authenticity. And if that makes me, which is what everybody else says, that makes me like right wing or like a ball palmer.

Or a simp. So be it. Are you a female simp? A whorephobe. A whorephobe. That's my favorite. I learned two new terms today because of you.p? A whore-phobe. A whore-phobe. That's my favorite. I learned two new terms today because of you. Ball palmer and whore-phobe. And you've been introduced to Rezia. Yes. I've learned a lot. All right.

One more time, Jamie. Put up her show, The Same Drugs. Thank you. It's got a cool... Who did that artwork for you? I like that. My friend, Carrie. Carrie did a good job.

Thanks, Carrie. The Same Drugs with Megan Murphy. Is this on iTunes and Spotify? Yeah, it's on all that. Everything? All that stuff. Yeah, yeah. And you're on Instagram.

What's your Instagram? Megan Emily Murphy. And Facebook, same? And Facebook. Same shit. Not on Twitter. Not on Twitter. Ooh.

Come on, Twitter. Fuck you. Let me back. Come on, Twitter. Let her back. Let me back. Come on, Twitter. Let her back. Let me back. Everyone wants me back. I think now it's just like a contest of like, they're just being stubborn.

They're like, nah. But the concept of like, no forgiveness, no redemption ever. It's like, God damn it. Really? For saying a woman or a man is not a woman? Admit this was a stupid decision. Come on, Jack. Get your shit

together jack okay i think it says i think it's they're they're honestly i think they're managing at scale that's what i think it is i think there's too many fucking people on that and it's impossible and then the people that are like pulling the band hammers there's so many of them there are so many people working over there that are doing that the idea that there's like one person who reviews thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of human beings that are stepping outside the lines. Yeah, those quick decisions like bad, good, bad, good, right, wrong, right, wrong. Ban forever. Yeah.

He promotes steak. Ban him. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Megan, I enjoyed our conversation. I appreciate you very much. Thank you so much.

Let's do it again. Totally. I would love to. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Bye, everybody. Bye. you so much let's do it again totally i would love to thank you thank you thank you bye everybody