The Joe Rogan Experience - #171 - Everlast (Part 1)

Episode Date: December 28, 2011

Joe sits down with Everlast.

What's the name of this song? I Get By Single off the new album Everlast's Ungrateful Living Government man keep calling my house Talking about I owe harassing my spouse Gotta park my truck on another block Cause the subprime loan got my ass in hock Got a couple good friends with helping hands I need a brand new job with a healthcare plan

They closed the plan, they stole my job And told me crime don't pay unless you ask the mob So I smoke a little grass, drink a little wine It's good shit. Oh, I like this, man. I barely get by This is classic. I barely get by I ain't gonna lie I barely get by

You gotta check out the video. Where can you find the video? On YouTube. Everlast Music Channel. We only gave you a taste, ladies and gentlemen. There's more to that song, obviously. But you can tell that's classic shit. That's you and your groove, man.

Yeah. And you know what? It's one of those CDs. I was talking about this earlier. I buy CDs, and I usually like two or three songs. This is one of those CDs where I honestly like every single song on this CD. And there's a few of them that, like, my house, I fucking love. This is an awesome CD, man.

It's been a while since you put something out. So is it, couple years how many years has it been two oh wait i put a three so oh wait i put out a record do you like having like that kind of a space in between records where you really get to work on your and really get to like put it in a form you like yeah i got no choice it's just songs come to me in groups and in bunches and then I get caught up just living. You know what I mean? I just kind of, I can't force an issue. If I tried to write a song when I wasn't feeling like writing a song, it would just be horrible. You know what I mean?

I've done it. I've tried it. You know what I mean? It's just sometimes it's like life says don't write a record. Right, right, right. And I tour and I lay back and I take my time. I like taking in as much music as I do putting out music. So I listen to things.

I learn more about music. Right. Do you like when you write, do you have like a whim? Like it just comes across you? Like I'm going to sit down right now and start writing a song like you don't have like a set aside time or anything like where you go i'm just gonna work on music how does it work with you nowadays i just go you know i keep a studio away from the house just you know kind of and make it like a job just go every day you know not not quite nine to five hours but try to keep it as respectful to the family and whatnot as you can

you know before it was just yes i mean if i wanted to work at two in the morning i work at two in the morning i mean and that's still the case but it's i don't really live in that hour anymore yeah i don't either but there's something kind of badass about that shit that comes out like 4 a.m yeah you know that's why you can't you know can't not do it if it's if it needs to be done but i'm not sitting around at two in the morning waiting on it you know i mean if it jumps on me i'm working on it but i always personally felt like with writing anything that you don't get into the real trance until like the whole house is asleep oh yeah until it's just you and the silence and the keyboard and then you get into the real trance well that's also why i keep a

separate area. I'm talking about a good hour away from the house. I got to drive to go to the studio, and I usually spend a day or two there and just lock my mind out of everything and try and – there's no windows, so it could be 2 in the morning. Are you always writing shit down too? If you're in a restaurant or something, you have an idea for something, do you write it down? I've honestly never written an idea down ever.

Not a lyric, not a rap lyric, not a song. So you just keep them on your head. Yeah, not a chord, like progression on it. Wow. If I can't remember it, it's lost to the universe. That's awesome. There's something beautiful about that, man. That's pretty badass.

Yeah, I'm like a beautiful mind kind of an idiot savant. Doesn't Jay-Z... I don't even know half the chords I play on the guitar, man. I've just copied them from other people. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. Doesn't Jay-Z do that as well?

He doesn't write any of his raps down? I believe so, yeah. That's incredible. That's incredible. So all all your shit it just started for me as a as a as a way of exercising your mind when i was a young kid trying to be a rapper i was like you should always have it ready in your brain and then i my style of writing just became kind of visual and it's like in my mind when i write lyrics i have the pictures in my brain i equate it to that cat on oz that drew pictures on paper but he was a poet you know what i mean it wasn't words it was always this picture but he would read it as a poem and it's almost the same thing it's three-dimensional in my head

a song the minute i would start writing the words out two-dimensionally it would just lose all meaning and and feeling to me oh that's fascinating so fascinating. So you feel like the writing in just a verbal and an audio way is a way to do it and just store it in memory. It's three-dimensional for me. Like in my mind, it's like three-dimensional pictures of what I'm writing about. That totally makes sense. The minute I commit them to paper and they're two-dimensional, I lose all it. I hate, I mean, it's a despisal.

They go from something I'm really digging, so let me write that down and see it. And then I see it as a whole different me. And it's words. It's paper. That's amazing. It loses it. Yeah, that's a fascinating way of looking at it. Might be why I only put out a record every two or three years.

That's really interesting, though. But you're totally right. Well, there's some people that have just a way of expressing themselves. That's like a fun way to listen to. I always bring up my friend Joey Diaz. Do you know Joey Diaz, the comedian? Sounds familiar. He's, if you ever listen to the podcast, he's on all the time.

He's one of my best friends. And he's this guy that is just, the way he talks is just like poetry. You know, he's just like, what's up, dog? Where's this party kicking motherfucker? What are we doing, bitches? He's giving everybody knuckles. and everybody's laughing and smiling he just takes you off in a wave and joey diaz is not something you could write down on paper right that's a flavor that's a real live like as you said three-dimensional flavor to the way his

words come out it's alive it's yeah you know it surrounds me in my head. If I'm writing it in my head, it's all around me. Wow. I mean, I commit it to paper. It's just flat and loses it. So do you have, so if none of this is all written down, do you have like a set list in your mind of how you put it in order in your shows? Or do you wing it? Do you go on how you feel? No, I'll write the titles down.

For a set list. I'm saying in the, it's also become a superstition at this point in my life. It's like after you make a record, they want the lyrics. They want to know the publishing company that's giving you money for what you've written wants to know what you wrote. But I actually have to have one of my people, my assistants, like, hey, write the lyrics down. I'll sit there and dictate them to you.

Right, right. Because it's become like a superstition at this point, too. Wow. Have you ever tried to break away from that? Let me see if I can just write one out completely from scratch. And start from scratch by writing it down. I have. And it's just, again, it's like I don't, I live in a song until it's done.

You know what I mean? Until it's finished. It's all around me. Once it's on paper, it's like it's it's well you hit some notes man you hit some notes in that what it's like song we're like whoa like you know the one about the girl finding out she's pregnant the guy leaving and find that man again she's gonna cut off his balls like you you hit that note and that note maybe wasn't something that would have ever been the same if it was written down. You know what I'm saying? Like you,

you, you hit it with the feeling of being that girl in that situation. And it was realistic and, and, and, you know, like a live three dimensional. Yeah.

I mean, there's trust. There's times I wish I could take, do that, but like take that and write it on a piece of paper in a way that I thought was beautiful and artistic. Cause I'd love to write a movie, but I can't do that I'm not I'm saying it's this thing about music and the way it lives in my head like I don't really know how to make music man I've been faking

it for a long time dude I've just been picking up things and making sounds that I'm like I like this sound I'm gonna make this sound you know that's the realest thing way I can put it I mean I've learned along the way how to become you know a musician and how to produce a record but I'm gonna make this sound. That's the realest way I can put it. I mean, I've learned along the way how to become, you know, a musician and how to produce a record. But I'm saying it started with me just kind of being like, I'm just gonna rap or whatever it was I was gonna do, you know, and then pick up the guitar was just, I'm just gonna play this little thing I wrote. maybe that's kind of brilliant though in a way because it's so uninfluenced and influenced at the same time you know instead of uh being influenced by like classical instruction and you know structure and all that stuff you're influenced by just what you enjoy and imitating that you know and then expressing it in your own way it's you know that's amazing it's a that's very rare that you know that someone's ever done that right and that you when you meet other people that are musicians do they have the same story no not really i mean a lot of them really trip on the

way i like do what i do you know especially like when i bring because i always bring in cats to help produce records i i think even though i could probably accomplish the deed on my own you need people to challenge you right in the course of creating something just to make it that much better make sure to collaborate and bounce shit back and forth just people that you even trust enough that would say that sucks yeah yeah even just even if it's just somebody that's that your guy he's you're my guy to make sure right something sucks so you're the voice you know i mean who's whose opinion you trust yeah but yeah and also creatively whatever it is you know i mean there's a lot of instruments i can't play you know that i know cats that can play so um it's just you know i i don't they you know all them go to school all that's what i'm saying i steal everything i can from all of them you know i mean it's like i'm

always the worst musician in the room in my mind because i don't know what i don't i still even though i'll get up and play with anybody and i i'm it'll work I still have this thing in the back of my mind that's like I don't know what the hell I'm doing it's like man okay I'm just kind of sneaking on stage and seeing if I blend I'm like the soy bomb guy from the Grammys remember that guy who came out during

Dylan with the soy bomb written on his chest I'm like I'm just sneaking onto the set trying to get something but you gotta know that people must love that. There's something so authentic about that. There's something so authentic about just kind of like learning how to play music by making noises with a guitar until you figure it out.

That's pretty fucking badass. You're still in a court watching the videos real close and VHS pausing them and the thing's shaking and you're trying to see where his fingers are on the thing. We're like, what chord is that? I'm going to try and do that. Did you read a book on it or anything? You know, I took a few guitar lessons when I was real young, like maybe six or eight guitar lessons,

and then kind of lost interest in it. And then because hip hop kind of stole my mind away. And then later on during the House of Pain days, there's actually a bunch of stuff on House of Pain records that are just little things that I played that we looped up and put, you know, like little country riff or that shit kicker song. Every time I go to town, people start kicking my dog around. There's a guitar piece under there that I played. So there's little bits of it. and there's a guitar piece under there that I played. So there's little bits of it, but it's like after I left House of Pain,

I just started, I had a guitar around me all the time, and I just started really actually saying, let me see what I can do with this thing. And the cat who helped me produce Why Do You Force Things to Blues, or I should say produced the record with me, Dante Ross, we were just working on hip-hop music. And I was just kind of crashing in his place and playing guitar all the time. And he'd be like, what is that?

And it was this thing. And I didn't even know what it was yet, but that's what turned out to be what it's like. He's like, we're going to record that tomorrow. And I was like, I don't even know what it is. So now I'm thinking I got to record this thing tomorrow. So I stay up all night and I like write lyrics to it. And, you know, it turned, we put it into a little beat and we were sitting there lyrics to it and you know it turned we put it into a little beat and we were sitting there listening to it and we're like that works but how does it

work with all this stuff you're doing this rap record and that's how the other songs in yd4 just kind of started happening i just they just like i said the music just started surrounding me i i listen to the music more than let's say i have this definite idea of what a song is I'll get a lyrical idea or a little riff idea and I'll start working on that and then once that takes a little bit of life it'll start telling me what it wants

it'll be like I'll hear a slide guitar on it or there should be a piano right there I can hear it in the space that's in between, It's telling me. I'm not this dude who's like, I know what parts and what, but I'll be like, I know what sound should go right there because I can hear it.

And then you add that sound, and it will subharmonically create this other ghost sound in there that you're like, oh, that's a violin I can hear. Let's put a violin in there. And it builds itself into what it's supposed to be. That's amazing. That's pretty fucking badass, man. When I i was a kid i had friends that were musicians and i was always terrified of learning a musical instrument i was like that shit looks like it'd take over your life i'm

still terrified of learning a musical instrument man do you find like like technology has helped you a lot like you know like not garage band but like. I am the most. The programs nowadays. I have to keep an engineer around all the time on duty and ready to go. Because I'm so. I can get on the laptop and go on YouTube and find some stupid videos that will make me laugh. Right. I can get on the Facebook and the Twitter and whatnot. But I could probably get two tracks recorded at the studio on my own before I just,

you know, right. Turned in for the day. That would take me probably about six hours, which would take him about eight minutes. Yeah. So I'm, I'm the technology is helped by making it easier to have your own studio.

You know what I mean? Instead of spending a million dollars on a studio, I spent 40, $50,000 and I have a really beautiful studio. You know what I mean? Instead of spending a million dollars on a studio, I spend $40,000, $50,000, and I have a really beautiful studio. Wow. You know what I mean? But I'm still with just, it's all about 90% of what I do is, you know, either at my studio or late at night in a room by myself with the acoustic guitar,

banging on it, trying to think of something funny or witty or well you what you really nailed was this kind of like bluesy smooth hip-hoppy sound you know that nobody had ever done before like like what it's like that's like there's a lot of blues to that song you know there's just kind of walked a line between brad from sublime and wyclef john you know i just kind of really like was like i saw they you know they i saw what wyclef started doing you know with all his r&b and island influence music mixing that with hip-hop and i was just kind of starting to record this guitar stuff to what it's like song and i was a big fan of sublime and what how he always like injected little these little hip hop phrases into lyrics and things i knew he had to be a never really knew the dude but knew he had

to be kind of a b-boy to a certain degree and those kind of things that's that's that's that's kind of how we saw that it would all work when we were we were looking at the record me and my friend dante my label thought whitey ford sings the blues was a horrible idea they were like isn't it funny how that always works? It was because we were convinced, no, this is going to work. It's just what it is. It's all the same thing to me. That's what I always say.

I consider myself a hip-hop artist, but I also don't really believe in any genre of music. I just think music's music. Tony Bennett has some stuff that makes me go like this. I'll be like, oh, that's hip-hop to me because that's the same thing hip-hop made me do. How lucky can one guy be? The right Zeppelin song. That's rock and roll. Somebody else calls that

jazz. It's whatever makes you personally ooh, what is that? kind of feeling. I like a lot of country music and some people give me shit about that. I'm like, I like some Toby Keith songs, man. They're good. I'm not so big on new country because I'm just not hip to the game,

but I love country music, man. You're going to like that record, John. I'm sure I love it. I'm a huge fan of yours, man. So you drive home tonight, you pop that record in, and by the time you get home, if I don't see a text from you, you're like, that's a badass record. It goes great with whiskey, I feel.

I believe it will. My music ain't country, but it's definitely country-friendly, man. Yeah, well, it's got a slang to it. It's got a smoothness to it. It's great shit, man. I love it. I'm a huge fan of your shit. One of the things Anthony Bourdain said, we were having this conversation you know he didn't become famous till he's like in his 40s oh hold

up let me pick up that name you just dropped there man no it's because I'm gonna say it because for you um but he said the coolest thing about becoming famous is that you get to meet famous people like that's the coolest thing absolutely and meeting you and hanging out with you at the UFC like one time we were we were smoking a joint in a Vegas casino we're in in the middle of a bar and uh I go are you go you want to smoke a joint I go yeah where where you want to go and he goes Everlast just goes we didn't go yeah I was like where you go let him go we're gonna smoke it right let him like oh all right well fuck it man if I get arrested at least I'm getting arrested with Everlast at the worst they would ask us to put it out, man.

At the worst, they'd be like, hey, come on, man. They give you that look like, dude, don't make my job harder. You can still smoke in a nightclub in Vegas, huh? Is there cigarettes allowed in nightclubs in Vegas? I don't know, but we've smoked in a nightclub before. Remember, we just stepped out that door and we smoked? Yeah. But you can't smoke.

That's outside. But is there an inside area? Are you allowed to smoke inside anywhere anymore? I think now it's not. I'm But you can't smoke. That's out that door. That's outside. But is there an inside area? Are you allowed to smoke inside anywhere anymore? I think now it's not. I'm trying to remember last time. You can still do it

in the casinos because I still see people smoking in the casinos. Oh, they're not going to stop that. They're slowly pulling that out, though. They're slowly pulling the cigarettes out. They're going to fight

that tooth and nail, though. I guess the real problem is the people that work there. And I get it, man. If you're a waitress, why the fuck should you have to breathe that shit in all day?

I haven't smoked a cigarette in a long time that's a tricky drug you still think about it nah see because i what happened to me was i woke up in the hospital and had emergency heart surgery like 98 so it was like i was like oh i'm done smoking wow i didn't even i didn't even i like, I still smoke some weed now and then. But, like, you know, even for, like, three years, two years after that. No, about two years after the surgery, I didn't, I was, like, on some, hell no. I'm alive. I'm trying to, but I could never sleep because I, what happened was I went to bed.

I'm real tired. I'm not feeling good. And went to sleep and woke up in Cedars after surgery. So my mind was on this don't go to sleep kind of trip. For a long time, I was like an insomniac. Oh, my God. But I would let my band guys smoke a little weed up in the front of the bus. And one night, I couldn't sleep as usual.

But somebody had something real just like reminisce I was like wow now that's some that's something quality up there right so I went out there just kind of smelling I was like you know what let me just and everybody's like are you sure I was like I'm a grown man let me whatever like that that's all I did bang I gave it back to him I went to the back of the bus I slept like like a goddamn baby, man. So it became for a good long time, a few years. That's all it was. Right before bed, sleep like a baby. A lot of people use it for that.

I know a lot of people that are in science. And then, of course, you know, after a while, you lose that humbleness that almost dying gives you. And you're out at the club and somebody's like, I hit the joint before I go to bed. I'll hit it now. And next thing you know, you're smoking weed again. It's lucky you had somebody next to you, though, because you just went to sleep.

What if you didn't have somebody next to you? Well, apparently there was more to it than that. Like, during the day, like, the guys that were making the record with me, we had the studio in my house. I had a house up in Mount Olympus in Laurel Canyon, and I just built the studio up in there to record the record. And everybody was living in my house. I had a house up in Mount Olympus in Laurel Canyon. And I just built the studio up in there to record the record. And everybody was living in the house. And apparently just all day I just didn't feel well.

And I didn't look well. And when I went to lay down, I guess somebody came and checked on me just to be like, hey, you all right? And I guess I was breathing funny. And they just panicked. Shook me a few times. I guess I wouldn't wake up called the hospital you know it was my extreme fortune to live in a neighborhood uh uh that was the the closest hospital was cedar sinai oh nice and then it was it was you know also

my uh irish luck that uh the best heart surgeon in the world who dr. William Trento, who's chief of heart surgery over there, I think maybe even of all surgeries, saw my case and told somebody else, you can't do that. I have to do that. What happened to me is the same thing that killed John Ritter in like 30 minutes. Jesus Christ. Same exact thing. What is it exactly? I believe, if I remember correctly, it was called an upper ascending aortic aneurysm.

And what I have in there now is a St. Jude's heart valve. It's a titanium heart valve. Like, I tick like a watch, man. Whoa. You want to hear? Hold on. Get real sensitive on this mug right here. Oh, my God.

Holy shit. Wow. Yeah, like 14 years now. That's like white noise to me. But I can take my pulse without any. I can just take my pulse. Holy shit. That's amazing.

You have a titanium valve in your heart. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Is it Bluetooth enabled? Dude, you're like a robot. Bionic rapper, man. For real, that is kind of crazy, man. Isn't it amazing that they can do shit like that?

Oh, yeah. And you've had it in your body for how many years? What, 98? Since February 98. That's amazing. That freaks me out, man. That's incredible, dude. I don't know how to react to that.

That's amazing alien technology man that's why I love watching your twitter dude cause there'll always be some crazy tweet like some fan will tweet you like

yo aliens dropped off the cure for cancer at you know whatever it is Fort Knox yeah it's flying over some hospital

right now yeah I'll be like oh man I love that cause I know I got alien technology in my body man titanium I got a titanium heart valve, man, I love that because I know I got alien technology in my body, man. That's crazy. Titanium.

I got a titanium heart valve, man. That's insane. How does that work? Wow, that's amazing. I mean, imagine trying to explain that to someone 200 years ago. We're going to cut this dude open and we're going to stick some shit inside there where his shit's broken. It's going to be made out of a metal. Witchcraft.

You're just a witch. A rare metal. Yeah. What? He wouldn't even bother trying to comprehend it, man. Stitch this man up. You're a witch. Burn him. Keep all the bacteria off of him. How rare metal. Yeah. What? He wouldn't even bother trying to comprehend it, man. Stitch this man up. You're a witch. Burn him.

Keep all the bacteria off of him. How are you going to do that? That's what the bacteria is there, to test the weakness. You get cut open like that. It's supposed to attack. That's nature. We're subverting the entire system, sticking titanium inside of people. It's amazing.

It's incredible. I have to take a blood thinner for the rest of my life so a clot doesn't form around it and break off and go into my brain. What is the blood thinner? Huh? What's a blood thinner for the rest of my life so a clot doesn't form around it and break off and go into my brain. What is the blood thinner? Huh? What's a blood thinner? How does that work? It's an anticoagulant.

Just a pill that you take that, you know, and I have to like. Does it make you like bleed more if you get cut? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You won't clot as fast. Wow. Holy shit. I had to give up riding my motorcycle and a few other activities of that nature.

Because if you get cut, you just start bleeding out. Yeah. Severe enough cut. Yeah. Wow. Holy shit. Isn't it amazing how the human body can just be fragile at some points? And you have to just deal with some issues.

But when you do, there's a certain humility and a certain respect for life when you've gotten through some bad shit. Do you feel that? The way I try to explain it to people is most people, unless you're really highly intelligent and enlightened, which is not what I'm saying I am when I'm about to say what I'm about to say. I'm just saying some cats just reach death at this point where they're just ready for it and they're ready to cope. Most of us probably see death coming at us.

I look at it like a roller coaster. Going on this roller coaster, you told us it's the scariest roller coaster of all time and you're waiting to go on it. Probably the whole time you're waiting to go on that motherfucker, it's probably really scary. Then you get on it and you ride it once and it's probably really scary but then you know if you if you get off it and get right back in line you know the waiting line

isn't so scary and then you get back on the ride again it's like that's what i compare death to is like i've gone through all the terror kind of terrifying parts of death thinking i was it was upon me i was i was like you know woke up in the hospital like i you did what to me there's this and like i got this scar on my chest i'm thinking i'm you know it's a wrap you know i mean i i i vaguely remember like people talk about a flash of your life flashing before your eyes but but to me it was more of just the some realization of, wow, man, that whole 28 years was that long. That's kind of what it was for me. It wasn't like all these moments.

It was just like the realization that my life was like a second long in the scheme of things. Wow. That's intense. It's about as intense as it gets, right? It's crazy. Open heart surgery is about as intense as it gets. Yeah, but I figure like this, the next time death's upon me,

all the scary parts are gone. I've been on this roller coaster. What comes after that? It really is a trip that it's facing everyone, but no one wants to bring it up. It's really subject i can't testify either to any lights at the end any tunnels but like i do also remember hearing of like what i the only way i can describe it is hearing a very familiar voice

like like i i never really knew any of my grandfathers but it seemed like a grandfather's type voice right would just kind of you know it ain't you know you ain't ready yet it's not your time and wow but i didn't go along with like a light or a vision or a figure it was just all i remember is other than this realization about how short my life was and my life could have been 90 years and that that realization would have been exactly the same you know what i mean right but then this whole this kind of blackness and this voice being like nah you know no you ain't it ain't time or something of that nature like that's the i can't even say it was words as much as just something communicating that feeling to me it's a real trip to think

the idea that this is there is a time for you and there is a place for you and there's a thing that you should be doing a lot of people want to think that that's grandiose to think like that you know that oh you're silly you know your life could have just been like you know the deepest parts of my subconscious like you know fighting for their lives you know trying to convince me there's a reason to be alive you know there's that part there's that part i mean there's a i've battled it ever since was it was it was was were those spiritual thoughts or was it scientific and your mind fighting to stay alive right right right is the ego playing tricks on you yeah yeah i don't get no chamber but i get in my pool often late at night with the lights off and just lay there with it over my ears in silence for a couple of hours. You would dig an isolation tank.

You would dig the shit out of it, man. For you, it would be beautiful because it's a non-drug drug. You could just go in there and be healthy, and it's great for your body, and it's very relaxing. Oh, my God, I bet. This thing is like, bro. Alone in a tank. That might be crazy.

You might have the trippiest dreams in there ever. Because, well, you know what it is. You know how it works with a little water. You've never done it before ever? No, I've never actually done it. Man, you should own one. You should be in it daily. It's a beautiful environment. What's one of them things

that's going to set me back proper? 7,000. Yeah? Yeah, for a real good one. And it'll last forever. It's got a big thick lining, like the kind they use to make koi ponds. It's all heated. The water, it's beautiful. It's super reliable big thick lining like the kind they use to make koi ponds. It's all heated.

It's beautiful. It's super reliable. It never leaks. You just turn it on when you want to get in there. Boom. Open the door. Hop in. After you get out, you turn on the pump.

It's like the most low-maintenance thing. And, man, what an environment that is, bro. How often do you do it? All the time. Every day? As much as I can. Sometimes I don't like to do it every day because then reality gets a little slippery. Is that right? Yeah That's been too much time alone with the tank. I just find myself getting really weird states going on

I find myself going to fringe with my thoughts I get so far deep that it's very difficult to go to the supermarket Do you not get pruney when you get in it? You don't come out looking like Mr. Burns or something like that? No, I think maybe the salt water keeps that from happening. Weird. You know, the water's really salty. There's 800 pounds of salt in it.

So it's a different thing when you come out. You're not all pruned up. I don't know. That'd be funny if you were. Even if you were. That's one thing you failed to always mention, that every time you get out, you just look like a fucking ET dying. No.

It's one of those things, whenever I get out of there, I'm like, this is amazing that no one knows about this. They should teach this in school. They should have people in high school getting in isolation tanks and have people talking to them and coaching them through life. You should make one. And help everybody. The Joe Rogan isolation tank. Too much work, man. I don't no time for that

7 000 a pop man it sounds like i don't think there's that much profit to be honest with you it's a lot of it is steel components you have to get it manufactured and built there's this super fucking jacuzzi system with this incredible filtration system to make sure that no microbes can get in there and fuck with your skin and then on top of, you have to make sure the water stays exactly the same temperature. There's a lot of technology into it. You know how you could do it? You have to get it like $200 on Amazon, like a portable system that you make out of like a box. Oh, dude, you wouldn't want that.

What if it fucking broke in your living room and fucked up your whole house? Then I'd be responsible. No, you don't want that, man. George Foreman of isolation tanks. That's you don't want that, man. It's George Foreman of isolation tanks. That's the thing about a tank, man. If you're going to get one, it's got to be built correctly. Someone's got to go in there and do it. To have a build-it-yourself one seems to me too much room for error.

But people would buy it. My pool works pretty good late at night with the lights off, man. You get on a floaty. You get on a floaty. No, I'm buoyant. Oh, you can float on your back in a pool? Pretty much. Holy shit.

That's amazing. That's incredible. I sink like a rock. I can't do that. But if you get in that water tank, the isolation tank, then it's beautiful. I can imagine. 800 pounds of salt. The other thing is that the temperature is perfect.

It's the exact temperature as your skin. So when you're in there, you fail to be able to, after a while, you don't differentiate between the skin and the air. Isn't that also the exact temperature of pee? Yeah, probably. It comes out of your body. Right. It must be. You just need a garbage bag and just piss yourself and sit inside of it.

Yeah, I try not to pee in the tank, but, you know, sometimes shit happens. That might get kind of nasty. Yeah, you don't want to smell that while you're in there trying to achieve enlightenment smelling your own piss going what the fuck is wrong with me sitting here sitting here pissing on myself in an isolation tank have you ever seen somebody that had a pool that was so badass like they had a lazy river around it can you imagine how badass would that be if you just had a lazy river around like a huge pool yeah i knew this dude who had uh he had this giant pool, and he had some crazy fucking slide system built into it, like water slides and everything built into the side of his hill.

Yeah, but just like a floaty thing where it just goes around and around. So you could just sit in like a little raft and just go in circles. Like your Disneyland ride? Like those pools where they have like a little lazy river around the whole entire pool. That would be okay, but I'm telling you, the isolation tank is better. I want to meet somebody with a moat. A moat? A moat.

That's the next level shit. That's like some Prince of Croatia shit. You live in Glendale with a moat. I know there's no princes in Croatia. Don't get angry at me, Croatian people. I love you guys. Yeah, man. That's the next level shit, right?

That's after the next zombie apocalypse After 2012, people are going to start making moats Yeah, that's why I'm moving out the city I'm going to have a moat What are you going to try to make this compound? What are you thinking? Northern California is a good move Good climate

Not too hot You know, not too cold Too rainy Gets you a little You get a little weather Which keeps you honest I think it's San Diego A little weather which keeps you honest. I think it's San Diego.

Little weather's good for people. Little weather's good for people. I think people are delusional in California because they never get hit by weather. Right. They're like, they just like have no,

they have no respect for what nature can do to them. Yeah, it never hits here. You know when you get here, you get a little bit of rain. Whip-de-doo. It's like every now and then it rains.

Like, people here really have no idea what the fuck weather is like. Yeah, but we get earthquakes. Rarely, man. Rarely you get an earthquake. They're coming. They're coming. Yeah, but we get earthquakes. Rarely, man. Rarely you get an earthquake. They're coming. Yeah, they're definitely coming.

And we're all going to be like, why didn't we move? Just because we ain't paid the tab yet doesn't mean there's not a bill. Indeed. But I think earthquakes, by and large, you know, if you don't get trapped under a giant building that crushes your head, by and large. See, I'm thinking San Diego would be close to the biggest Air Force base ever, you know. That just

seems like it would make sense. San Diego? Yeah, be close to the base. You know, we'll be the most protected other than being in Los Angeles where everyone's going to fucking die. Is that what you think? Yeah. But why do you think that earthquakes won't hit, like, Air Force bases? Protected from what? Earthquakes? No, no, no, no. If when panic strikes out or

a zombie apocalypse or when the martians come i'll be about it people actually talk about this worried about this shit dude people worried about the fall of civilization any boy listens to like uh that what raleigh all that stuff yeah like uh like he's got that i heart radio app and he's always listening to that late night overnight stuff to all the craziness and i was like this he was listening to that late night, overnight stuff, all the craziness. And I was like, he was listening to a show that was actually about zombie apocalypse and zombies and people discussing them. And I was like, this is real people talking about this. That's crazy. It is ridiculous.

But could you imagine if it was possible to make a zombie? You know, what if it could be? It would probably just be a virus of some kind that we're talking about. Well, it sounds stupid, but there's way crazier parasites that exist in the world. You know, every single human being is essentially a symbiote. Every person has a conglomeration of all sorts of different organisms living inside their body. And without those, you can't even be alive. And when you get a parasite, like when a parasite fucks up a body, what that is is a failed symbiote.

It's like it's trying to have a symbiotic relationship with the organism, but it's failing, so it's sucking out too many resources. So it becomes a parasite. It's not contributing to the overall system. It is possible that they could come up with something that would hijack your shit so bad that you would be like one of those 28 Days Later motherfucker. That is so 100% absolutely possible. So we're not speaking of the dead rising. No, no, no. We're talking about like...

Not Grain Springs. Look, 28 Days Later is a zombie movie. I didn't listen to the zombie apocalypse show long enough to figure this out. I just was like, these people are actually saying things about zombies right now. Dude, I'm telling you realistic zombie rules.

I'm totally geeking out on zombie rules. 28 Days Later was not a zombie movie in the same thing. It was a disease that was created. It was like, what was it called? Rage or something like that. And they gave it to chimps and the chimps got out and fucked up a whole city with it. That's totally possible.

It is totally possible. There's a worm that lives inside a grasshopper. It's an aquatic worm and it grows in its body. And then when it gets to the age where it's about to hatch, it talks the grasshopper. It's an aquatic worm and it grows in its body. When it gets to the age where it's about to hatch, it talks the grasshopper into drowning itself. It controls the grasshopper's body, hops the grasshopper over to some water,

leaps into it so that it can pop out. Some aquatic worm. Some aquatic worm? If you Google aquatic worm, grasshopper, parasite, yeah. Isn't that amazing? Tricks it into drowning itself.

That's amazing. And it can pop out of its little body. If that's possible, anything's possible. I know that's a lower organism. They've already extracted it and there's a pill for it. Yeah, and the guy talking to you is already infected by it. We all might be. That's what I said about clones. I found it on Google.

Yeah, you found the Google. Right here. The grasshopper thing. Brainwashed by parasitic worms. Isn't that amazing, man? Yeah, baby. Where is that? Because I want to go there and just find some drowned.

That's like a fun camping trip. Well, they're finding out more and more of these parasitic relationships that worms have to people. Millions of organisms are living on us as we speak. Yeah, there's a lot. And that beard of yours right there, this one or mine. I'm sure. Little bugs that are actually probably helping out, keeping it clean and shit. Yeah, exactly, right?

I mean, that's what the whole deal of acidophilus is, right? I'm going to lie, though, man. In my mind, that brings me straight to bed bugs, like how that whole outbreak in the east coast yeah i was like not wanting to go to like any hotels i was like man i ain't trying to bring bed bugs home i know can you imagine that they get in your clothes and shit you're fucked that's just they multiply in your house oh and you got to get a defuse that's why it's easy to believe all that how quickly you know it's like people trip on oh the nuclear this nuclear this, nuclear that. No, it's going to be a little germ that gets all of us, man. It could be easily.

It could be. There's been threats of it for, you know, who knows how long. I mean, every time. One of the things that hits everybody, like when the swine flu came out or the bird flu or anything that comes out, it's like this might be the one we're all scared of because we all know that it's possible. Yeah. That one super bug that comes along. Yeah.

But, well, they got us convinced of that, at least. And they use every opportunity they can to try whatever new vaccine they got out. Exactly. Like, how are we going to sterilize these folks once and for all? Yeah, what the fuck? There's a lot of vaccines. The chemtrails aren't working fast enough. Are you a believer in chemtrails?

It's not past them, it's not no that's how i look at it all i mean like i look at it like the cats who like you know if you want to even take the 9-11 there's cats to be like there's no way we did this i was like well there's proof that the very least we knew something was supposed to happen just like that hijacked airplanes there was reports that they were going to try and do this and nothing was done extra to stop it that's kind of a passive participation at the very least so i don't see past anything all the heart and all this i love it i love reading about it and learning about it and and giving it just enough consideration to be like, it could be true.

I'm not living by it. But I'm watching to be like, okay, if some crazy scenario breaks out in the world where people just can't breathe anymore, there might be something to these stories. Yeah. You would have to think of why would they be doing it. There's got to be a profit to it. You've got to talk somebody into doing it. I think for sure there have been some chemtrail experiments. I don't think that's doubted at all.

I think people are well aware there's been some shit. But the real question is, like, how much are they doing on a regular basis? I don't think it's like – I don't think they're spraying cities. I go a lot of places and see them everywhere. Do you think they're spraying people? Do you think they're trying to control the population? When I was that was just a jet going by but the smoke didn't stick around all day one of my favorite videos online for ridiculousness is prince sitting down with dick gregory and he's talking about how i think it's dick gregory he's talking about how um there's

um chemtrails and they fly over the hood and then all of a sudden everybody starts fighting and he goes and i saw these planes fly over and hood and then all of a sudden everybody starts fighting. And he goes, and I saw these planes fly over and I was thinking, God, why is everybody fighting? And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're in the hood. You expect, you think the planes flying overhead? Is there spraying fighting juice down on the people? It's not the poverty.

It's not the poverty or the rage or the criminal element that's throughout your community. Or the police. Or all sorts of corrupt shit that's throughout your community. Or the police. Yeah. Or all sorts of corrupt shit that's going on, right? No, it's this plane that's spraying some shit down, and all of a sudden everybody's getting upset. That's ridiculous.

It's a hilarious video. I think we need to look into those green boxes that you used to have in your backyard that hummed, that were really warm. Because I used to, as a kid, lay on those things for probably years. What are those things? I don't even know what you're talking about. Well, in the Midwest, or I guess in the suburbs, not in Los Angeles, they used to have these green boxes that were like energy plants

or something like that. I don't know what they were. They're just like these, and they hummed. They went, and they were super warm. And I remember just sitting out there as a kid for hours on it, like I was recharging. super warm and I remember just sitting out there as a kid for hours like on it like I was recharging and I probably got I don't know more data bit bites or something I don't know what is it what is that you've done so many things when you were little that could have made you I know what is

that a moron I think everyone did that I don't know what you're talking about first of all I'll show you a picture of one familiar yeah an energy source it's like a weird he lived in like some test community of their own nuclear power plants in their backyards. A little marble-sized nuclear reactors. It was a test market town, so we had banana Frosties before

everyone. You were a test market town? Yes, Columbus, Ohio. They would test us out burgers, and I would talk to my cousins that live in a different state, and they were like, we don't have that kind of weird burger at mcdonald's what are you talking about and i found out that it's we the people that company's test market at columbus ohio because that's the most average city in the whole entire country country yeah that makes sense columbus is like that yeah like the whitest people and almost pretty close to the middle too isn't it columbus

sure yeah did you ever hear about Sister's Chicken? Did you guys ever have? That was Wendy's version of KFC that they were trying out. And it was just three old ladies was the logo. And it was like KFC's Wicked Sisters. And I don't think it worked the last two years or something. Never heard of it. That's a good idea.

Yeah. I'll show you the green box, though. The green box. The green box that fucked you up another thing that happened to him he was living in an apartment and there's a duct overhead like a heating duct where the hot air would come through turns out that wasn't what that was somebody had hooked up the wrong thing to the gas furnace and it was blowing straight carbon dioxide from the gas furnace no yes, he lived like that for a year. How did you not blow up?

He's dead. I know, exactly. He's dead on the inside. I died a long time ago. Here's the green box. And it makes him stutter now. Green box. These things.

I've seen similar things, but like on the corners of intersections. Yeah, we had one in our backyard, and I would just sit there and get data bytes pumped into me as a child. Well, obviously, that has something to do with electricity. That's not really wrong right there. That has something to do with electricity. Yeah, that's not good. But we didn't have the warning labels.

Like, this one has a nice warning label. It says something on it, like, hey, don't even get close to this. Hey, don't get your nuts on this. Have they ever made a connection, a correlation between living near power, like those big giant towers, you know, those electrical towers. Cancer clusters. Yeah. That's what they, yeah.

They have made a correlation. Well, no. I mean, you could, it's one of them things where you can find both sides that will have equally compelling arguments that they're right. So that means, no, there has been no definitive. But, I mean, it kind of breaks down to kind of common sense a little bit. If you're camped under these things that are like, Jesus Christ, you're scared when you're just thinking about that. With power lines, I mean.

There's so much fucking power going through there. Have you noticed though, most schools or public parks are kind of right under those. Right under those, yeah. That's the only free spot that was available. That's cheap land. Yeah. There it is. That's where we'll put the school.

Yeah, man, when you drive by those things and you can hear them, you roll down your window and you hear. How about the heavy-duty ones? You know what I mean? The big iron towers with cables like this. Oh, my God. Dude, I saw a show about that once man when the guys are on helicopters they have to do the maintenance for those oh my god they actually

have to make a connection to the line like with the helicopter to ground it before they can start working with their parents like one of the most dangerous jobs you could have that might have been the show i was watching like life's most's Most Dangerous Jobs. Those dudes are nuts, man. Motherfucker. They're, like, in metal suits. Oh, Jesus. It's nuts, man. Just think of what you must be feeling when you're above one of those things. And you know they're just touching it.

Just reach down and touch it, and you just essentially explode. And they're grabbing it. They're grabbing it, man. Oh, my God. They're doing maintenance on it. They're fixing it. Yeah, they're putting the connectors that keep them together. They're fixing it. Oh, you have to on it. God, they're fixing it. Yeah, they're putting the connectors that keep them together. They're fixing them.

Oh, you have to trust it. You have to trust in the science. They have another piece of the helicopter that they have to come out and it has to touch the wire while they're working on it. Oh my God. Apparently one of the most common things

isn't getting electrocuted. It's that the tail of the helicopter hits the wire and they just go into oblivion. Oh, of course. If they get hit with a gust, right? electrocuted it's that the tail of the helicopter hits the wire and they just go oh my god into oblivion oh of course if they get hit with a gust right it's almost impossible for them to stop it's apparently like one of the craziest most dangerous jobs if you did if you had to do that i was really high watching that i was just like that's crazy man i think i was on the back of the tour bus just like 18 hour drive just watching whatever it was on but i was like stumbled across that i was like

joe here here's here's the helicopter thing right here actually that's you singing what are you doing before i got on the helicopter brian what's wrong with you that's yeah this might have been the show yeah that's to say that was me before getting on yeah watch this dog these are nuts man they're like these suits. One guy's got to touch the wire. Oh, my God. See what I'm saying? Look at that. God, this is insane.

Oh, my God. He has to climb up. He climbs up, and he's sitting in a harness on top of the fucking wires. Brian, why did you mix this together? Brian made this video himself. Yeah, this is an old music video. I mixed with that stuff in it, though. Oh, my God.

But look at that guy walking on those wires. is absolutely horrifying that's crazy man and i got all of garden bread sticks right there volts isn't that what that is is that what it is how much will kill you how's how much a lot less than that that's like that would incinerate you right when you just explode or something yeah but he's grounded somehow like he's like grounded on like i watched the whole thing. Hi, man. It was amazing. That's funny.

And they were charged. Like, those dudes were on some, they were on some, like, adrenaline junkie shit. Oh, they must be. And they're like, this is the greatest job. Well, could you imagine

if it was doing something to them? What if it was, like, making them super power and they started, like, winning the Olympics and shit? That's how the whole X-Men thing starts. The whole, uh, it might have been me. Was that really?

No, that had to be you, Brian, wasn't it? That's pretty loud. It's so loud. Yeah, no. I'll tell you right now. It wasn't me. It's not me. My shit's not even on.

All right, well. I'm just glad I'm not the guy who did it. Yeah. Anyway, where were we? We were talking about how that's where the mutations start. Where the X-Men begin is on them lines right there. One time, when I used to do Fear Factor, I would eat pot candies or something before the show. Just to kind of keep me chill but happy and fun mood all day. Sometimes you're sitting around all day and it's boring and if you're not you

know got a buzz it doesn't feel as good it sounds interesting but one of the days I showed up every now and then when something would freak me out I would show up at work and I'd be a little baked and they tell me what we're gonna do and one of the things they told me is we're gonna have these people ride bulls and I was like oh this is a terrible terrible terrible idea like when you're high and they're telling you gonna're going to ride a bull, you're like, oh, no, sir. No, no, I'm not getting on that thing.

What is this? We're going to do what? You're going to make people do that? You're going to get them to get on that animal? That's fucking crazy. The only time when we ever did that show where I felt like we were totally rolling the dice, hoping nobody got hurt, that was the only time. It was when we made them ride bulls.

Because you can't protect them from that fucking animal you can only you know you can only say so much we're gonna try we're gonna try to keep it from stomping you but we can't guarantee we'll give you a chest plate and a helmet but you're gonna let it imagine you let the bulls gore you yeah with a chest plate and helmet go come get me i got a chest plate and helmet on oh my god you'd feel so fragile hell yeah we got lucky with that one one girl she was 98 pounds something maybe she was on this bull and she agreed to do it i'm like you're sure and she goes yeah i'm gonna do it i'm gonna go for it she got on the fucking boat she she lasted for just a couple of seconds of course right the bull launches her

through the air she goes flying and just barely misses her with a kick just barely misses her and i just would think about like like, what a ridiculous thing. We could have got this little girl kicked in the head for some stupid reality show, you know? And she, like... How much bread was it at the end of the show? 50 grand if you won. She falls down.

She was okay. Isn't it funny, though, dude? Like, not to belittle money, but isn't it funny what people will do for so little money? Well, they do it for fun, too. A lot of them, they do it just, you know... There's people that do it, and they think that they're going to be able to eventually get some sort of a career in reality TV. That do it for fun, too. A lot of them, they do it just, you know, there's people that do it and they think that they're going to be able to eventually get some sort of a career in reality TV.

That's even more funny to me. Well, you know, people have done it. Even though it's actually turned into that. I know. It is weird. But you know what I'm saying? Like, as long as they're nice people, I don't give a fuck, you know? You could start weirding out about what people watch and don't watch.

And I've gone down that road before. Like, what the fuck is wrong with us? Why are we watching the Kardashians? But, you know know the other part of me is like give us a fuck they're hoping she's gonna suck another dick soon she's done man the only way she would suck another dick it's like she would have to like drop drastically in the ratings to make another sex tape it would be really hard to get her to put one out now you know it's like a NASCAR race that's they're not waiting for the end they They're waiting for the crash. Here's my prediction. The next sex tape won't be her getting fucked.

It'll be a dude eating her pussy for like a half an hour. That's it. That's a sex tape. And then she releases that one. Whoopsies. That got out. And that would kick her back up to the next level. If she was, like, crying at a press conference, I can't believe this.

This was so personal. I used that image to masturbate to when I'm on the road My my assistant stole it from my laptop, you know That would that could be her next level shit She might have to do that about two years Because like now people like making like Kardashian jokes are public the number one joke on Twitter You know if you're gonna make a joke about the Kardashians Yeah, I mean, it's like it's so low-hanging fruit it's so easy yeah i saw that movie young adult

last night the pat noswalt throughout the whole movie there's you know what it's about no i charlize theron and pat noswalt it's fucking really funny yeah and really brilliant like a brilliant movie but one of the things is the chick who who's the crazy chick, Charlize Theron, all she watches is Kim Kardashian. She just watches it. Every time you're seeing her at home, she's just sitting in front of the TV watching Kim Kardashian and her sister talk with this mindless glaze in her eye.

That's hilarious. You're like, holy fuck, that is America, man. Those people are responsible for that fucking signal that they're putting out there, man. If anybody's turning people into zombies, this whole movie, throughout the whole movie, this crazy bitch,

Charlize Theron, is obsessed with her high school boyfriend and is just watching the Kardashians on TV. It's a good movie, man. It's a really, like the ending's kind of weird. Is it like in the movie theater's movie? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I saw it last night. It's a good movie. It's fucking, Patton Oswalt's a bad motherfucker. He's funny, man. He's going to do the podcast again soon. Has he even done it? No.

Did I say again soon? Yeah. Oops. Do it soon. We need to get him on it. Yeah. Yeah, that movie that he did with Galifianakis and the guy with the glasses. The comedians of comedy. Oh, yeah. Oh, comedy. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Our buddy filmed that. Yeah. That whole thing, man, is hilarious, man. Yeah, those guys are awesome. There's a bunch of real good stand-ups right now. It's a good time for stand-up comedy. They're all starting to break through, too, like in other –

like, you know, of course, Zach. Yeah, yeah. And Patton Oswalt, everywhere, really. Well, Zach Galifianakis is one of those guys that i can't help smile when i'm watching him yeah he's like one of those guys i see him doing something stupid in the movie you know even though what was it due date or something like that yeah wasn't the best movie in the world but i'm watching him and he he's he makes me smile he's just so ridiculous you know brody stole the whole movie do you think so yeah i love the little brody hiding like out of nowhere you'll find our friend Brody Stevens I he's friends with Zack so every time Zack does a

movie or does anything Zack throws him in as like these little roles and stuff and every role it's almost playing like where's Waldo for Brody Stevens like oh there he is he's in the He's a police guy. Whoops. Why do you have a Google page? I forgot to switch it back to my camera. You're tripping me the fuck out, dude. I'm like, what's your point? No. This whole thing is starting to trip me out.

The car is over here. It's very distracting. There's a TV over here where my face, like, I'll turn and my face will be on it. It'll startle me and then I'll look back and it'll be like some other thing. Some goatsy image yeah this is uh the next level of add type shit for people just you know just a conversation alone it's just it's too boring man they have like 18 screens going dude he was showing me earlier he was just watching random strangers play video games yeah oh yeah he does that he'll go and and watch video games.

He showed me the homepage, and I was like, that's the fucking Matrix. Look at it, dude. Yeah. It's like, what game do you want to spy on? Woman's Tennis? Look, all those people are in the fucking computer right now, and they're all playing games. Pretty nuts, right?

And most of them are trying to kill each other. Exactly. Isn't that nuts? And this is only step one. What's it going to look like 100 years from now? Oh, it's going to be drone warfare, dude. What was your go-to video game back in the day when you played a lot of games? The last one?

I was kind of a SOCOM freak. SOCOM? Yeah. Because I like seeing the guy, the character. I don't like where all you see is the hands and the gun. I like seeing the little guy running around. I don't want to feel like I'm actually killing people. I want to know there's a game going on.

Have you played Gears of War? That's kind of like that. I think one of the first versions I might have played. When I got married and had a kid, man, it was a wrap. The video games are like first to go. Can't justify video games. It's hard. And the video games to me, I always say I'm always terrified that I'm going to become addicted to them.

I'm terrified. They're too good, man. Video games these days. By the time I'm an old man and retire, I could just sit around and it should be crazy by then. It'd be like three-dimensional surround sound. You're going to pierce your own brain. You're going to pierce your own temple with some thing that's going to. What was that crazy Christopher Walken movie with the brain stuff with Natalie Wood.

Oh, shit. What was that movie? Yeah. Dream something. Dreamscape. There it is. Dreamscape. Dreamscape? Yeah. Wow. Do you know that there's new questions about Natalie Wood and her husband? Yeah, a month or so ago.

Yeah, man. Just recently. Robert Wagner. Robert Wagner. Well, that. Just recently. Robert Wagner. Robert Wagner Wagner, man. He's a good dude. Well, that's what this guy's saying. Yeah, but they saw him on Today's Show, I think he was on. He was also selling a book.

You know that, right? Yeah, he was selling a book in which he said that Robert Wagner killed her. He said he heard a bunch of fighting. He heard violence, and then he heard silence. What's that guy's name again? Do you know the guy that...

The guy who's writing the book? Robert Wagner, I'm sorry. Robert Wagner, yeah. Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood. He heard violence, and then he heard silence. What's that guy's name again? Do you know the guy that... The guy who's writing the book? Robert Wagner, I'm sorry. Robert Wagner, yeah. Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood. I got to find you this... Heart to heart. I got to find you this video.

It's going to trip you out. Why? This guy asks this question to the guy that's selling the book. He asked the same question like seven times in a row, and it got to the point where it was like a joke, like a Saturday Night Live skit. He's like, okay, last time, time same question and he kept on so the guy wouldn't answer the question he i'll show it to you hold on okay that sounds i think i might have seen this too yeah does he

sound like a crazy person yes okay i need to hear that yes you always need to hear that whenever someone's accusing somebody killing someone he's doing that real quick and one of your stand-up specials dude you talk about that video about the horse. Yes, Mr. Hands. Did you ever see the documentary they made? Zoo.

Yeah. I saw that like not too long ago. I was like, that's Joe's joke. That's what Joe's joke was about. I had to watch the whole freaking thing. They changed the law

because of that dude. It was crazy, dog. It was just like seeing these people being interviewed and speaking about their little zoo philia or whatever they call it yeah well you know it was wow it was sort of a documentary it was sort of like a performance documentary where they had actors play roles oh so it was yeah because the guy's dead you know and he was in through a lot of it like

there was a real sneaky way they did that documentary but what it did was it forced them to change the law there. People were moving there so they could fuck animals legally. That's what these people did. They met online. They met in a chat room. They said, I like fucking animals.

I'm just going to put that out there. And then everybody's like, damn, I like animals. Fucking me. Let's do this. Let's move in together. And they moved in together and they got an area

where they all lived and they would go to a farm and film. They had hundreds of hours of guys getting fucked by donkeys and horses. That shit was crazy, man. Insane, man. Here's the video right here.

He just lets you know, man, that there's always going to be someone who's taking it deeper. I can't answer that question right now. And why not? You're referring to mistakes you made. Have you changed your story from when you spoke to investigators years ago? I did lie on a report years ago. And what did you lie about then? It was just the, I made mistakes by not telling the honest truth in a police report. Well, just be specific.

I mean, we've talked about the broad outlines of the story. What is it that you were untruthful about? Just everything that took place that weekend. Was the fight between Natalie Wood and her husband, Robert Wagner, what ultimately led to her death? Yes. How so? If I tell you that, you won't buy my book.

Like I said, that's going to be up to the investigators to decide. The point you're making is that it's because of information in the book, information that you're bringing to them, that they would be reopening this investigation. Is it your charge that in fact Robert Wagner essentially tried to make this a low profile investigation, did not do everything he could to try to find her once she went missing after their argument? Yes, it was to be kept a low trial invest low profile investigation so you're saying that wagner did not do everything he should have done to look for her after she went missing

exactly was she was he responsible for her death in some way well like i said i think we all made mistakes that night. Mr. Davin, that wasn't my question. Was he responsible for her death? I'm not asking about your story. Yes, I would say so, yes. How so? I really don't want to get involved in answering that question right now.

Well, how can you come on national television, sir, and accuse him of something like that but not back it up? Well, that's up to the investigators. That's actually not the video I was talking about, but that's still pretty interesting. Well, yeah, he sounds like there's definitely something missing. Something's ticking when it should be talking and talking when it should be ticking, right? He's trying to sell his book. I'm not saying, I mean.

Yeah, that's all he's doing, right? He ain't nothing being speculated about that wasn't speculated about the day she went drowned. Yeah, exactly. Well, didn't William Shatner's wife, like, turn up drowned, too? That was in his pool. Oh, shit. Wasn't that in his backyard? Hard to drown somebody in a pool.

Yeah, what happened? Nothing to William Shatner. I think he was out of town. That's a good move. He did it right. We're not insinuating anything. Whatever. Yeah, that guy,

I'm not buying that, dude. You're a comedian and you have to explain that to people. Yeah, you do. This is a sad world we live in. Wow. Remember when you could say retard

without any repercussions? You know what's funny? You know Colin Quinn? Sure. I think he's a pretty funny dude. It's hilarious. Sometimes he says some real outrageous

shit right and he gets he gets under people's feathers but like he'll say something about like when kim jong-il died or something and like i love him because he just retweets every stupid hateful thing that gets sent to him but it's like these people are like really saying like how could you say something like that it's like don't you realize you're following a comedian? And a real smart-ass, sarcastic one at that. I was like, it just blows my mind how literal people are. Well, one of the things was catching news was that he was accusing Will Ferrell of stealing the movie Anchorman from him. And talking about the really bad, bad drugs that Will was doing.

I mean, it's just so... Reads like a goddamn Colin Quinn punchline. The really bad, bad drugs that he was doing. You know, and people bought into it, man. It was becoming news. Like, you dummies. You silly fucks. We live in a more and more literal world.

He goes on marathons to see how quickly, how many people can drop him or something. Like, his number will fluctuate. I look at his number as much as his tweets just because it's funny like who'd he piss off today yeah colin quinn is underappreciated genius he's one of the funniest guys i've ever seen it's funny when like people listen to comedians and then a comedian actually has to say once in a while like yo these are jokes this is we're not serious well colin style of smart-assy, really smart comedy is so unusual, man.

I hardly ever get to see him. It's hard for us to see each other unless we're like, you know, if I just happen to be in a town where someone's doing a set, I'll stop in and watch them do a full set or if I catch like a special. But other than that, you know, I'm in one town, they're in another. It's hard to see him. So I did Tough Crowd once, and it was like one of the first times I got to see Colinin do like a long set and he did it in front of all of his fans you know because they're all so he would like warm up the crowd god damn he was good it was really good like it's like when

you see him like tight like colin quinn's a bad motherfucker he doesn't get nearly enough respect you know there's people that he's so self-deprecating that people just you know for whatever reason i i don't know what it is. I mean, he just, he's too smart. It's whatever it is. It's his frequency.

He's too, he's too, it's too good for some people to figure out. The world's getting a little too dumb is what it is.

Is that what it is? Is it really that bad? I mean, isn't there a way to snap us out of this, man? That's another thing about one of the things you did a couple years ago.

I don't know if it was the same special, but it was about when all the smart people die. It was like, yo, that day's this, man. That's another thing about one of the things you did a couple years ago. I don't know if it was the same special, but it was about when all the smart people die. It was like, yo, that day is coming, man. It's possible. It's coming. It is possible. And I thought Mike Judge might have ripped you off a little bit with that Idiocracy movie. Maybe, but I don't think I'm the only one who's ever had that thought.

I think other people have been thinking that people think stupider and stupider. I've ripped off a lot of chords from a lot of songs, man. It's not always. Listen, I met Mike Judge. He didn't seem guilty when I met him. So he probably didn't write it anyway. I love him. I love that movie.

I'm just saying this seems like something. This seems kind of like that premise. Yeah, I should have got that special out earlier. Actually, the special was out before Idiocracy. That's my point. That's what I'm saying. The special was out in 2005. Idiocracy was 2006.

But I had been doing that bit for a couple of years. That bit came from one mushroom trip. One mushroom trip where I just sat and looked at the whole progression of the human race and that it was some sort of a crazy fight between overpopulation of stupid people and like packets of really intelligent people figuring out matter itself to the point of you know total complete complexity where they blow up the whole universe and we restart all over again but that all came from a mushroom trip and I started thinking about like how ridiculous it was that I put all my faith my food the the warmth and the cold of my

family all in the hands of things that I totally don't understand. I just hit switches. I haven't researched them. I don't know what the fuck powers them. I have no idea the science behind it. I don't know. I just open the refrigerator, take some milk, pour a glass. I don't know how the fuck this milk has been able to sit in my refrigerator for a week and not turn into rotten cheese.

You know what I mean? But it's been pulverized through some crazy machine that I'll never be able to understand. Gotten to the point where all the bacteria is broken down so you can store it in your refrigerator that you don't understand some box that keeps shit cold and that's the only way we can all live like this the only way we can all live like this and nobody understands it and then i just had that you know then the bit just sort of wrote itself so i tell everybody everybody's like you gets on these tangents about nuclear bombs and and viruses, which is perfectly logical. But I'm saying all it really would take would be let the lights go out for a week.

And let's see where we are as a civilization when everything stops working. Yeah, well, it's not good, man. You know, a person's real true character comes out in a situation where everything gets tested. And a lot of people never get tested. They just never get tested through their life. They coast through the boring but easy job and they go to sleep and they get up and they do it all over again. And then the shit never hits the fan. And if shit does hit the fan.

That's when you need to know how to shoot a deer. Okay. You shot the deer. Right. What do you do now? Can you find it now? How far did it run? Can you follow blood trails? And when it's okay. Wait. You shot it. You found. What do you do now? Can you find it now? How far did it run? Can you follow blood trails?

And when it's okay, wait, you shot it, you found it, it's dead. Okay, even then. Now what? Right. Yeah, gut it, quarter it. How do you keep the meat good? Exactly. Yeah.

Meat's only good for a few hours, man. What are you going to do? Unless you get it cut up, right? Yeah, you got to cut it up, get it in the refrigerator. Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts, man. The process is so simple now. We go to a supermarket. It's like we've accelerated everything to the Yeah, it's nuts, man. The process is so simple now. We go to a supermarket.

It's like we've accelerated everything to the point where it's ridiculous. You can get meat like that. You know, you could, who would have ever thought that you could just step out into the street, walk a block, and get a fucking fat, thick, juicy ribeye steak,

perfectly cut, like perfectly aged, right ready to go. You'd do no preparation whatsoever. Just say, I'll take that. Boom. You take it home. There's fire. Boom.

And you're cooking it in like seconds. If you're really impatient, there's nuclear technology right there in your kitchen ready to cook your food. Yeah, you can microwave the fuck out of it and just eat it then, right? It's amazing. It's amazing what we've come to in's a short period of human history we you know alien technology man do you think so trust me i got it in my body man i'm part alien now do you believe in aliens for reals again one of those things that i just i put up to the psych i can't not believe in aliens right i can't sit here and tell you i know there's aliens and i've

seen them but it's like all right every one of those lights up there is a sun. Odds are there's got to be another branch of intelligence. It just seems ridiculous to think that there wouldn't be. It seems like we've already figured out that things are recreated all over the galaxies, like gas giants, rocky planets planets planets in the goldilocks zone planets with water planets without water like we can apparently read their atmosphere somehow or another they can figure that shit out i don't know how but they can figure out like what temperature a planet is thousands of light years away it's a strange strange thing i don't know

how the fuck they do it but they found a lot of planets like this a lot so there's got to be some other shit there's got to be some other shit. There's got to be some other shit. It's 100%. I mean, and then, you know, you get into the whole interdimensional speaking of, you know, what if we're dealing with dimensional aspects, you know. Your brain could blow up. You've got to be high to think about some of this stuff. You know, it's funny, but all we do by ridiculing any of that shit is just we're just trying to control reality to even the ridiculous part that we understand as is the ridiculous part of us

being a part of a galaxy and that galaxy a part of the universe is universe being one part of one universe there's an infinite amount of universes like just all these nutty nut that we know to be true like wrapping our heads around infinity and the ideas. We know that to be true. We don't want to go any further than that. You start introducing new shit. You start introducing aliens. I got no room.

I got no room for your crazy alien talk. It's almost like the reality that we're absorbing as it is is so baffling and so fucking crazy that we're like almost unwilling to look at anything that's more confusing not to mention that you know then the powers that be have also mixed this magical thing called religion into the into the fat into the whole thing so if a ship full of aliens actually came and landed in full view of everybody that fucks up a lot of people's like belief. Yeah, it's over. It really does. You know what I mean? It would be interesting who would jockey first to try to get cool with the aliens. Like the Catholic Church and the aliens have made peace.

Next thing you know, it's Jesus was an alien. He was the first and true and only alien. You know what I mean? It becomes this whole war of like... They drop off a new gospel. Yeah, they're bringing us a new gospel. It's a floating USB card. It says all the other religions are to be wiped out.

That would be so easy, man. Could you imagine if you were from another planet and you had some super dope technology and you knew the history of the religions. Okay, what's the number one religion? Most popular? Is it Christianity? Islam? It's one of those?

Okay, well, this is what we'll do. We're going to come down with one guy that has both of those religions in his history, and he's going to do some fucking magic, and he's going to take over the planet. There you go. That's all you're going to have to do. Not even magic to them. Not even magic. That's natural.

They can do that. Can you imagine just landing a helicopter 1,000 years ago, just going back and landing a fucking helicopter and seeing people freak out and run for cover? You know, just what kind of a world are we going to be living in in just another decade just another 20 years just another 50 thousand years you could have just broke out a flashlight and got that effect yeah right yeah no shit the fire's contained piss magic yeah everybody had fire that's what they had for for that was cutting edge technology right there man a fire and a knife. You were good.

You were caught up with the Joneses. Right, because electricity is only a couple hundred years old, right? When was electricity? Late 1800s? Yeah, Tesla, right? That was the beginning of the 19... On a mass level, maybe not even until the early 1900s. Yeah, wow.

That's amazing. They were using fire to keep things lit. If you wasn't in the city. Kites to charge their phones. That really makes Leonardo da Vinci, some of his shit, even more impressive. That he did that shit by candlelight. Think about the 16th chapel. Think of doing that shit with candles.

You know? God damn. Motherfucker had fire. He was lit by fire. And he was still motivated enough to do that. On his back. On his back. However many years.

Jesus Christ. How long did that take? I don't know. It had to take a couple years. That's one of the great artworks of humankind. Not longer. Yeah. I'm sure I'm underestimating.

Can you imagine with all the other dudes who were trying to be artists back in the days of Leonardo da Vinci? Guys thought they were pretty badass. I'm working on some pretty cool pieces. I'm pretty proud of it. I think I'm kind of the shit. Oh, yeah? You know that Leonardo da Vinci dude? Yeah, he's been painting the ceiling for three years on his back.

This shit's brilliant. And inventing the helicopter in his spare time yeah and figuring out how to make a fucking biplane yeah you know yeah that dude was on speed or something he's an amazing dude man you talk about like some super dude you know what what an amazing mind that guy had wish there was film of that guy you know he's one of those guys you wish like man we really missed out on getting some recordings of that guy had. I wish there was film of that guy. He's one of those guys you wish like, man, we really missed out on getting some recordings of that guy talking. Get him a podcast. He must have been a super

genius. I mean, he must have been some insane through-the-roof IQ type character. It seemed like he would just sketch all these insane machines out and figure things out. And then perfect anatomy. I mean, just what an amazing mind that guy must have had.

Do you ever draw or do any kind of art? I mean, a little bit. I came into music, actually. I was a graffiti writer, like with a bunch of cats. And some of them started making some music for fun. And I kind of followed suit. And it just became, you know, something that, you know, somebody within that group knew Ice-T

and that's how that whole thing took off. Ice-T signed me. But I don't make as much art. That must be pretty fucking cool to get signed by Ice-T. Yeah, when you're 17. I was 17. Oh, damn. You must have been like, holy shit, I just got signed by Ice-T.

That's amazing. And it was before. I just got signed by Ice-T. That's amazing. And it was before, like, it wasn't like about, you know, there were no super-duper hundred million record-selling people in rap. It was like, you know, the biggest people were like Ron DMC at that time. Wow. You know, Public Enemy and a few, you know, stuff like that.

It was just starting to crack. And then I was just doing it for fun, and dude asked me if I wanted to make a record for him, and I said, sure said sure yeah why not and i made a record for him and next thing was house of pain and whatnot but to answer the question i collect a lot of art i don't really you do collect yeah i i'm a you know avid like graffiti based and street art based collector of art yeah i love that. There's a website.

I think it's ESTY. I think that's what it is. Something like that. But it's for artists. And a lot of our listeners who are artists will sell, like, posters on this website. And lately I've been just buying up so much, like, posters, like original prints, because it's, like, one out of 20. We're only printing out 20 pieces of this. And so for $15 bucks i'll just all right i'll have one of those 15 or one

of those 20 and now i'm just out of nowhere started collecting art because this one website it's it's amazing website yes ty i believe it's fun i started out like i don't know 10 years or so maybe more ago maybe a little 15 years, collecting all these toys out of Hong Kong that these graffiti writers from America were going, like, all these Asian cats were big fans of the whole graffiti scene. They would hire these cats to make toys for, like,

companies like Bounty Hunter and Medicom and all these. So I collected all these toys, and then I ran into a homie that was, like, the editor of an art magazine called juxtapose and uh he was like yo this is cool you collect these toys but he's like you should be actually collecting you know paintings and art and i was like okay and next thing i knew i was like you know i became i'm like an obsessive i have i have like a thousand pairs of sneakers

i like holy what's your what's your? Most of them aren't even open. Really? Yeah. I got like 200 pairs of sneakers probably that I just rotate. Wow. You know what I mean? That I wear. And then there's probably like 600, 800 pairs of sneakers in boxes.

I had a whole thing at the Grammy Museum. They had a hip-hop exhibit with all my sneakers. Wow. My top 50 sneakers I sent over there. What is it about sneakers? What I'm explaining is like, well, for a cat like me and rap like this, there's a whole like, I'm what I call a B-boy. I consider myself a B-boy, right? Which is like, you know, in the truest sense of the word is a break boy, a cat that break dances.

But it became like the title if you're a hip hop like connoisseur like that I consider myself to be. That's how I live with B-Boy. Like a Hesher would be a rock dude a B-Boy is to hip hop. If it was an SAT question that's how it would be. Hesher is to rock as B-Boy is to hip hop.

Third base they would be B-Boys. Sure. Definitely. But collected sneakers is kind of part of that sneaker it's part of the culture i would you i could be in some dirty clothes if i had a new piece of jewelry and some new sneakers on you can't tell me nothing do you have a favorite brand do you are you like a pro guy i'm like i'm pretty much a nike snob you know like old school air force ones and jordans and stuff like that. Did you get the Voltrons? I stopped collecting a couple years ago.

I still buy sneakers, but I force myself to wear them all. I don't buy. I used to buy compulsively just to be like, I don't even know if I like those, but put them over there. So do you have a closet that's specially designed for sneakers? The bedroom. No, it's not designed. It just looks like a back room

storage spot of a foot locker it's kind of crazy really yeah it's retarded like you just have boxes all over your house i won't even show it anymore because it's shameful it's like that's incredible shameful but the point i even brought it up the reason i even brought it up though is that i'm compulsive like that after i was doing the sneakers and i like i said i collected these toys and then when i stopped doing both of those i kind of sank all that energy into collecting like paintings i have like paintings now in in how i have a couple different houses i have paintings like just like there's too many even hang on walls they're like in stacks just

laying on on against leaning up against walls wow you should give tours man that's i bet you have some amazing shit or do a little video blog for your website. There's a lot of cats that are blowing up really big right now that I've had for a long time. Cause and Shepherd Fairy I was collecting before. He was, you know, but like Banksy. You know, all, you know. You got some Banksy? Jose Parla.

Yeah. And all kinds of this. I'm big on a cat named Crayola. Greg Simpkins. It's a big time painting. You know what I mean? It's all, everything at Futura,

all cats like that. But everything's based around graffiti or street art. Like cats that actually started like in the streets putting their art up. That's awesome. I went to this dude's house once.

He had a house in the Hollywood Hills and he had a whole wall of his house. Like he had a crazy house and a glass wall that faced the city, the whole deal. And a whole long wall of his house was a gallery. It was set up for rotating pieces of art. And he would literally harbor some of the best artists in the world and buy their shit and rotate new stuff from there to his...

He had warehouses where he would store the pieces that he wasn't showing i'm getting to the point where i have to find like a professional place soon to store a lot of my art yeah this dude had his house set up like a museum i mean he would wrote i mean he's incredibly incredibly rich the house i was telling you about up here in the hills before i had a kid and got married that's all it was the downstairs of the house had no furniture it was just paintings all around. Let me ask you something about living in the hills. Because I've had friends that were robbed up there.

I've had a couple of friends that have been counted up in the Hollywood Hills. That's why you need moats. That's Hollywood Hills. Oh, you're talking about up here. Yeah. But the Hollywood Hills is what I was talking about. I've heard a lot of people getting home invasions and shit in the Hollywood Hills. I'm sure, man. You get caught slipping. I mean, I used to live in Mount Olympus, actually, I've heard of a lot of people getting, like, home invasions and shit in the Hollywood Hills. I'm sure, man.

You get caught slipping. I mean, I used to live in Mount Olympus, actually, which is right up there in Laurel Canyon. And I lived up there for many years and never had a problem. But I'm that dude that when he's driving home from the store, like, has the gun in his lap, and I make two extra turns. I'm that dude. That's awesome.

It's not because I'm on this thing that everybody's out to get me, but it's like I'm not going to be the guy to get got because I was stupid. Right. And I just have been trained like that. I owe that to actually a lot of the Cypress homies and them cats when we was all coming up together because they kind of came. I came from suburbia, you know what I mean? Not rich suburbia, you know, lower middle class,

but middle class nonetheless. And these cats came from, you know, like not rich suburbia you know lower class lower middle class but middle class nonetheless and these cats came from you know like i was with ice and all them like i ran with the syndicate for a while but i never was like dipped into like he was already a grown man into the entertainment business his big gangster and all that days were right behind him cypress guys were fresh off the street you know i mean like when they first made that first record so i learned a lot from them about how to roll places. And yo, they were always worried about who was following them when they were leaving. So even though it didn't apply to me always, it stuck with me to be that alert about things.

And also because I tend to wear a lot of jewelry. I have a really nice car. That has to suck, though, that constant paranoia almost. Like you're at Olive Garden and you think somebody's going to shoot you. Like I said, I'm not like everybody's out to get me, but it's like let me just be sure of who I am and where I am and what's around me. So I'll make that extra turn.

And I've been lucky long enough to think that luck is, I really don't believe in luck. It's just a word that you use because if there was such a thing as luck, you could fuck a pig and actually have a real kid. You know what I mean? That'd be lucky. That would be magic more than luck. That'd be goat magic. It'd be lucky.

I don't believe in magic. But luck is magic to a certain degree. That's my point in a weird way. You can be fortunate. What I'm saying is I've been alert enough that I know that I have actually avoided a few times of actually being robbed or this or that or the other by just by

circumstances and how I reacted to them and how I was alerted to them there was times when I was in New York at certain clubs where I definitely knew I was being I was being like stalked and about to be preyed upon and I would happen to bump into some cats that I knew and I'd be like I'm already alerted to these dudes

you know and it'd be like just the fact that now i'm with some peoples i know and then i they know i'm on to them you know i mean uh you're by yourself you know what i mean if you if you ain't and you're oblivious i mean like it's you know that's the that's the worst thing is being oblivious to what's going on around you that is a crazy thing you have to worry about people physically jacking you dude i'm not the only one come on everybody you don't think about it all i mean everybody does i mean. But it's a thing that we have to worry about. I'll keep it real.

I've made a lot of music and all that, but my profile is nowhere near yours. I've sold a lot of records, whatever. I keep a low profile on purpose. I like going to Ralph's. I like it. I like going to the Olive Bar and making my own little bowl of olives.

I like that. I enjoy that. I like getting a little box of Cheez-Its and some olives and going home. I do, too. That sounds good. And watching whatever it is. The UFC or a football game or whatever. I like to be

able to do that. I like to be able to drive my car and enjoy it. You know what I mean? So I keep my music is far more famous than I am as a face. You gotta worry. You're the face of a sport to a certain degree. So it's like your profile is way bigger. Very nice to me. Most people are decent, nice people. We're not

worried about those people. It's true. Those aren't the people we're worried about. You have to worry. Most people are decent, nice people. We're not worried about those people. It's true. Those aren't the people we're worried about. You have to worry about the small percentage that aren't nice. Yeah. You had a public online battle with Eminem, and I know this is old and everything like that, but a lot of us followed it.

I didn't find out about it until today. Is that right? Yeah. It was a very, I mean, amongst us it was known and our fans it was known, but it was like this thing over Napster. Like I never released a record about it because I wasn't trying to profit off the situation. It was a personal thing between me and him.

What did you guys get mad at each other for? I got a little mad at him because I went to shake his hand somewhere and he kind of, before he was Eminem, who he is now, Elvis, you know, the as big as Elvis type character. This was like when he was first coming in and I just went to shake his hand and I felt disrespected. Found out later that he didn't really see it the same way. He didn't realize it was that kind of situation.

Like I said, we haven't had a problem for 10 years. It was just a short little thing of words, words, words. And then it was like, you know, it just became like, all right, well, you don't talk about me. I won't talk about you and we'll just keep it at that. One of the things I've found, and it's pretty easy to to to grab upon this, is that whenever you're around anybody who's really creative or really out there, really like dynamic in the way they perform. They're also almost always very emotional, you know, and some of them have a good handle on it, like you. You're always a pretty relaxed, mellow, in a certain groove dude.

I've been around you a bunch of times. I've never seen you agitated. I've never seen you stressing about anything. You maintain a certain pace. Some people really just can't do that. For me, it's like also i'm not there's no show i told you i said it before early in the show i've been faking it for years man i'm just trying to figure i'm making music i don't even know how to make music i don't even

know you know this is all this is luck and icing and as much as i feel like yo it isn't it's what i'm meant to do you know i feel like it to a degree it's what it's meant to do yeah it's a lot of luck dude yeah but you guys do you know as that you feel personally are as smart as you and as talented as you that for one reason or another without being like they didn't get convicted of rape or nothing stupid like that but just it just something doesn't click like something doesn't happen for them and it's like you i got a bunch of musician friends of mine that are geniuses that i'm just like why why you know what is it about them why why what and that element is whatever that planet's lining up that just you're at the right place right time and you know how to react you know i mean this i agree to we all we all are

responsible for our fates i believe i made a choice somewhere along the line that contributed to what i'm doing it's not just blind luck but there's there's that's an element in the thing. You can have all the other things, the talent, the drive, the work ethic, and if that one little thing