The Joe Rogan Experience - #1721 - Michael Malice

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

Michael Malice is a cultural commentator and host of the PodcastOne podcast "Your Welcome." He's the author of two books, "Dear Reader: The Unauthorized Autobiography of Kim Jong Il," and "The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics."

the Joe Rogan experience Michael Malice has there ever been a person in history that has more support than this fellow Brandon let's go Brandon it seems like that is the most popular person I've ever come across. Everyone is in support of this Brandon fellow. There's this internet meme about, I think his name is Kyle, who drinks Monster Red Bull and puts his fist through drywall. Is that named Kyle? I don't know about Kyle.

Kyle is a white kid who drinks a lot of Monster and puts his fist through drywall. Brandon is everywhere. I don't know this Kyle fellow, though. Is this a popular meme? Oh, here it is. Yeah, there it is. Kyle, I was right.

Okay, so Kyle just punches shit? When he drinks a lot of Monster. It's so crazy how something will become popular. Like that one guy, the large fella that's sitting on the edge of the bed with his giant cock hanging over the bed. Yes, yes. That one picture of this fella and his big dick. This is the most boomer conversation. You know how on the internet, Jamie, these pictures get names and the kids share them?

How do these pictures come from? Where do they come from? How do these kids? And why is it Tom Cruise laughing? I don't understand. Is this coordinated? It's a conspiracy. Why do they keep showing Michael Jordan crying?

Or Michael Jackson eating popcorn? Why is it Michael Jackson? It is amazing what memes get used and what don't get used. That one will just catch fire and just spread through the lines. I'm trying to think of what my favorite meme is. And there's one that's not a meme, it's just a funny picture. But what do I use all the time? The one I use is, it's not a meme, it's a gif.

People on Twitter ask me a bunch of questions in a row in one tweet, I just reply with the Riddler because it's all these question marks, but that's not that clever particularly. What is the best meme? I'm blanking. I can't think. There's a lot of good ones. There's a lot of good ones.

There's so many good ones. I mean, it's just the beauty of it is it's really a new form of comedy. You know, like internet meme comedy is a new form of comedy. And it's a brilliant form of comedy that some people are masters at. Really like a Dave Chappelle. They're masters like a comic is a master. They're masters at this weird new form that's only existed for like 15 years or so.

And the greatest thing is that establishment figures don't know what to do with this. Oh, this is one of my favorites. I'm going to show you this new one. Hold on. Jamie, I'm going to send this to you. This is one of my new favorite memes because there's just so many of them, but this one is like, this is my favorite of the time. This is, hold on.

All right, I sent it to you, Jamie. Let's see this. This is my favorite of today. Oh, it's the one with the drinking water, the engine coolant? Was that the one? No, no, no, that's a good one too, but that, I actually know the guy.

Oh, yeah, yeah. This is my favorite. This has been around for a while. Cover me harder, No, no, no. That's a good one too. But that, I actually know the guy. This is my favorite. This has been around for a while. Cover Me Harder Daddy. Yeah, yeah. But that's the NPC meme, which I explained on this show a few times ago when I was on. This is an NPC as well? Yeah.

They're gray and they have that- Oh, that's what those things are. Okay. That's right. You did explain that. NPCs. Yeah. Yeah.

Non-player character for the other boomers out there. For all the boomers. I like how it's double masked too. Look at that. NPCs. Yeah. Yeah. Non-player character for the other boomers. For all the boomers. I like how it's double mask too. Look at that. I saw someone today on Twitter that was ranting in this like vitriolic, just nasty rant about unvaccinated people causing the death of Colin Powell. So is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well, here's the deal. rant about unvaccinated people causing the death of Colin Powell. So is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well, here's the deal.

The guy had blood cancer. Oh, shit. Leukemia? No, it's a different kind. What is it called? Yeah, it's this very severe form of blood cancer that severely impacts the immune system, apparently, and might have even rendered his vaccination ineffective because he was vaccinated. So he was double vaccinated, I believe.

Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that means, you know, fully vaccinated. It's not even fully anymore. Do you know that six months after the vaccine, some hospitals are not counting you as vaccinated six months after fully vaccinated. This comes from some woman that was working at a hospital that was talking about cases of vaccinated versus unvaccinated people that were admitted to the ICU. And she was saying the people that are in the hospital, in her particular hospital, she was saying when someone's been vaccinated six months ago, they list them as unvaccinated. Well, that's why they need those boosters in perpetuity, right? But this is crazy. Like they are fucking vaccinated and they're listing them in the hospital as unvaccinated

and jacking up the unvaccinated numbers. But I think it goes the other way that if the efficacy is only six months, they're jacking up the numbers of people who are vaccinated to try to make it seem like only a tiny minority aren't. When that 70% or whatever it is, some of them are no longer effectively vaccinated. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, they're making it seem like the people that are in the hospital are unvaccinated. When they're actually vaccinated, but they've passed this arbitrary expiration date that this one hospital has put on it. But is it arbitrary?

I thought it has like a half-life. is put on it. But is it arbitrary? I thought it has a half-life. Well, arbitrary in terms of the hospital making the designation, right? Making the distinction that this is an unvaccinated person. There's nowhere else that makes that distinction. The federal government, the airlines, New York City, when you go to restaurants, all these places that have vaccine mandates. The mandate in America, in Israel now, you're considered unvaccinated if you have two shots, you don't have three. Okay. They consider you unvaccinated.

But Israel's rates are through the roof, too. Through the roof. But meanwhile, it doesn't seem to be having an impact. The booster doesn't seem to be having an impact, except with Keith Olbermann. It seems to be making him fucking crazier. Did you see how I clowned him so bad? It was so fun. It was so fun. He doesn't know who he's fucking with. Did you see how I clowned him so bad? It was so fun. It was so fun. He doesn't know who he's fucking with.

He doesn't know. He knows now, motherfucker. This angry old lesbian. Here's the thing. Jamie, if you go to my likes on my Twitter, you'll see this side by side. This is mean. What you're saying is rude to angry old lesbians. Okay. Because there's a lot of angry old lesbians that are really cool. Fine. Let's just say he's doing a very bad Bea Arthur

impression. Here's the thing. The guy has a resume that can't be beat sportscaster political. He's got this enormous career to enjoy him and then you Single-handedly you and Alex make him into an internet laughingstock And he doesn't know what to do about it, and he starts yelling about Rogan muttonheads Called me mr. Afraid. Mr. Afraid. Imagine, you're sitting in front of your keyboard, like, what do I want to call this asshole? Let's see what I got here. I'm a writer.

But he's also yelling. I'm a journalist. He's yelling down to the masses from atop a penthouse on Central Park, like the real estate value that's through the roof. Well, not only that. And he's also tagging you because he wants you to engage With him desperately he's thirsty and I have yeah, you know you have oh, I did here Oh, yeah, but no he wants to be on the show. Oh, but he's ratings. He's ratings poison. He doesn't want to be on the show

He's I don't know why he's so angry. I mean it's a weird thing, but hold on hold it Can I say one thing you know why he's angry because you talk a lot about guy stuff There's something very very sad when you're closer to your nursing home than to your prime and everyone lets you know it. If you look at his Twitter feed, no one has his back. Everyone just clowns him and he doesn't know how to handle it. Oh, yeah. That's the thing.

Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of support, but that's, you know, I don't think he has. I think he probably doesn't have a lot of friends. Yeah, but he could go out with dignity. He doesn't have to go out like a screaming. Nobody wants to that's, you know, I don't think he has, I think he probably doesn't have a lot of friends. Yeah, but he could go out with dignity. He doesn't have to go out like a screaming moon. Nobody wants to go out,

Michael Malice. Nobody wants to go out. They don't want to go out with dignity. They don't want to go out with hate. They don't want to go out. Sure, of course, yeah.

You work with a lot of athletes. Rage against the dying of the light. Right, right. I mean, but it's like these UFC guys who are past their prime and they keep going in there

and they become cans, right? It's like somebody needs to sit them down and be like, your time is done. No disrespect to you. You're an amazing athlete. Right. But it's over. Yeah.

Look at this. This thing that you did. The choice is clear. But the problem is like he's not capable of being silly, right? Like everything's angry and you're being silly. Right. silly right like everything's angry and you're being silly when anger is confronted by silliness that doesn't get angry at the anger it makes the anger seem so preposterous well it's kind of like when you have that like hysterical girlfriend and you're sitting there smiling and nodding and she

just gets more and more hysterical and at a certain point just becomes funny it's just like look you are doing this to yourself and that is trolling at its purest yes well that's what you do and that's why he's fucked up he made a mistake yeah but I feel bad for him because like also he didn't understand what he's saying when he's saying you're afraid you're afraid you're literally talking to 72% of the african-american community yeah like you really think they're all afraid like this is your your your only perception on this is that they're all scared and afraid. Like this is his hot take. But it's also his advice. He goes, I wasn't trying to persuade them to get vaccinated. He goes, I was trying to persuade vaccinated people to yell at the unvaccinated and call them dumb.

It's like if Keith Olbermann calls me dumb or a muttonhead This is really not going to be skin off my back or gonna change my behavior That's not really what it was what it was was a it was a flex to show that he's not scared right? He's macho That's why he's yelling at people. He's sensible. That's why he's putting on his glasses He's letting them know like I shot look here's a video of me getting my shot. Yeah, he's a badass. I'm a badass I'm not afraid of myocarditis. Yeah, I'm badass. I'm a badass. I'm not afraid of myocarditis. I'm not afraid of thrombosis. I'm not afraid of strokes, heart attacks. I'm not afraid of, what is it, pericarditis?

What's the other shit? He's afraid of aging. And he's afraid of fading into obscurity. And it's happening to him, and it's very unfortunate that he's doing it in this way. Yeah, well, you know what, man? He had something at one point in time. Yeah, well, you know what, man? He had something at one point in time, like his a certain balance of like passion, but hope for the future. And, you know, you have your sex hormones, you have your life ahead of you. You have like hope and you want to change things.

And at some point in time, things become imbalanced. Yeah. And then you no longer have hope and your hormones aren't functioning correctly anymore and now the kids are laughing at you yeah and you don't know why they're laughing at you because you're just doing it whatever all your whole peer group is doing but somehow you're the one being singled out and being clowned constantly he's got a million followers on twitter which is no joke but these are all former like espn or msn mbc people i just passed him in terms of youtube subscribers which i shouldn't be able to do. But that just shows that these are like inactive accounts.

And it's kind of the thing is when people are that performative about their politics, they expect people to stand up and applaud for them. Right. Right. That's the reason to do it. And he's not getting that. And it must be confusing for him in his dotage. be confusing for him in his dotage. Well, it's a time where, you know, when these narratives, right, when you could sit down and have these monologues, it used to be a rare thing, you know, where someone had the freedom to like write a monologue like that. So it was impressive. Sure. But now everyone with a YouTube channel can sit in front of a camera and you have these brilliant people that aren't on a platform like MSNBC or Fox or CBS

or whatever. They're just in their house with a screen behind them. Like Lex is a perfect example. Right? Why are you laughing? Because we were talking about it before. Also because Lex always makes me smile. He's such a sweet kid. I love him to death.

I'm just trying to imagine Lex as Keith Olbermann standing in the balcony. You need to get vaccinated. Joe Rogan's a muttonhead. He's the opposite, right? His monologues are all about love and learning and growth. And humility. And humility. Yeah.

Yeah. And he's becoming huge because of it. Because of that, Lex Friedman is one of the most respected and interesting commentators on the internet. I mean, his internet discussions with people are fucking amazing. His David Fravor, the one with that fighter pilot that encountered that strange craft off the coast of San Diego, is one of the best interviews I've ever seen in my life.

I mean, he's so good at communicating with people again with humility, but the way he discusses things even when they're controversial when you know He feels like something needs to be said the way he says things is never like I am better than he's a fucking Scientist from MIT. He's also like a black belt martial artist and a power lifter. He's like, he's the hardest working person I've ever met. He pushes himself so hard and he's so driven, but not in an ambitious way, but kind of like seizing life by the balls kind of way. Yes. And testing himself.

He's constantly testing himself and that humility because of constantly finding his own limitations, right? He finds his own limitations on a daily basis. He portrays this character that you respect and you appreciate. But he's really like that. He's really like that. Oh, I hang out with him all the time. He's really like that. I moved in two doors down from him.

I love it. You two guys are the same. I know. It's fucking hilarious. That's really like that. He moved in, I moved in two doors down from him. I love it. You two guys are the same. I know. It's fucking hilarious. That's the odd couple. Yeah. You guys should have a sitcom. I mean,

yeah, I can look out my front door and see his house. That's hilarious. That's amazing. I love that you're here. I mean, it's so cool.

There's so many cool people moving to the city. Blair White moved in the same day as me. Rucka Rucka Ali moved here as well. He's a music video guy. I don't miss New York at all. Like at all. I don't miss California at all either. LA can eat ass. LA's gotten worse than New York.

Yeah. Which is shocking and it's going to get, there's no mechanism to turn it around. Not only is there no mechanism, there's like a suicide pact to keep the same path and pretend that it's working or pretend it's the only way to do it. I remember sometime maybe 15 years ago, I was at Washington Square Park looking north of Fifth Avenue. And this is when they were talking about Al-Qaeda having a dirty bomb, maybe bring a suitcase and detonating it and like blowing up New York. And I thought to myself, if they take out the city, take me with it. Like, I can't, this is me. I lived there since I was two. I still don't know how to drive. And for watching what they did to New York was, has been, I've talked about this a lot, has been so heartbreaking, uh, and, and traumatic and moving was so hard.

But now that I left, I don't miss it at all. Listen, I love New York, but I love it to visit. I was just there. I did Madison Square Garden a couple weeks ago. It was magic. I was like, oh my God,

I'm doing the garden. This is amazing. And then I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there. Yeah. It's because all the things that make New York special have been destroyed.

de Blasio ruined everything. de Blasio did more damage to New York than Muhammad Atta. Way more. Way more. It's not even close. Way more. Way more. It's not even close. And intentionally.

And he's going to do a lot of nasty things on his way out. There's not even a question. What do you think he's going to be able to do? I don't know. But there's no way.

What about Cuomo? Cuomo pardoned that terrorist on his way out. What terrorist? One of the weathermen. Oh, did he really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Wait a minute. I didn't know Cuomo. Governors can pardon people too? Of course, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Pardon or'm not I'm not exactly sure which of paper to get food from someone right is so against My DNA that I was like, I'm not doing this. Well, the good thing is you could eat outside We're just gonna be really fun in January. Yeah. Yeah, but like all these greats Like if you walk around Park Slope, which was the neighborhood next to mine like stores that family stores been there since the 70s You know for rent

Yeah Just store after store shut down and they want us all to be part of these giant corporations and do our shopping through Amazon or Target. Even if they don't want that. Even if that's not, yeah, that's just what's going to happen because of these policies. If these policies really were put in play to

give off the impression that they're protecting people, ultimately what they're doing is empowering places like Target and Walmart. And what they're doing is killing mom and pop shops and small businesses. And with no remorse. Yeah, no remorse. There's not like, okay, this is the thing that's so sick about politics. We bailed out the banks in 2008, but there's not really any talk about these stores that were the staples of their neighborhood, that gave it character, that made it special. It's like,

not too bad. You know, it's disgusting. Like, Shalom Japan barely reopened, but my favorite place in New York, Zenkichi, which is basically,

you go in, it's a secret door. Every seat's like a Japanese, it's like an Oriental Express train car. You're not allowed to have kids in there. They haven't reopened. Ice and Vice, which is the best ice cream store in the world, They're done. So just store after store. And if

you were opening a restaurant or a boutique or a bookstore, why would you do it in New York now? Oh, for sure. Look, I have friends who have restaurants in Los Angeles and they're talking to me about Austin. They're like, listen, man, I got to get out of here because they're scared that anything, like the flu rolls around the flu rolls around like we already have a precedent it's been set where when something that kills people um which most diseases kills a certain amount of people because some people are very very vulnerable and when something can kill people now they already have a precedent set where the government can come in and dictate whether or not you can be open and whether or

not your business can function and make it so that people no longer have the choice as to whether or not they would like to just take a chance and go to a restaurant because the flu is around. Now you no longer have the chance because big daddy government is going to look after you. And I have a friend whose brother works for the state, and he's a part of this whole COVID commission and told him point blank. They were having a conversation in Los Angeles about closing outdoor dining. And he said, but there's been no transmission ever connected to outdoor dining. And the woman who wound up closing everything down said, it's about the optics. who wound up closing everything down said, it's about the optics.

But imagine, thousands of restaurants, they're fucking barely hanging on after the pandemic. And someone comes along and has the fucking balls or ovaries to say, it's about the optics. And they're just gonna shut down. What about the wait staff, right? Who are not making good? What about the busboys and illegal aliens

working in the kitchen? Everybody. There's no remorse or concern for their uh the chefs who like put their heart and soul into creating this menu and the business owners that have financed this and it's fucking crazy but what this has done is allowed uh educated urban people who live in a state of anxiety neurosis and fear to have an external reason for their state of mind. It's not that I'm messed up. It's not that I'm a neurotic. It's that everyone is living under the gun. So it's appropriate that I'm living in this state. I don't have to look inward. I can look

outward. Now COVID is obviously a very big deal. A lot of people have died, but it doesn't explain their extreme sense of terror. They're more scared of getting COVID than of having COVID. Because in their heads, if they get COVID, that means that they've done something wrong. Yeah. Moral superiority. Right. Here's another meme. Hold on. I'll send you this one, Jamie. This one, I got to go into my meme folder. Do you have a meme folder? Oh yeah, I have a meme folder. Yeah, look. I'm not lying. Why would I lie? I don't lie. That's one thing that I don't do.

It's not necessary. And it just gets in the way. This is one of my favorite. And this is something completely irrelevant. I sent it to you, Jamie. Yeah, this anger about this. I think you're dead right about the anxiety levels that these people had already. I mean, so many of these people are already fucking completely insane

and falling apart just based on life. And then something comes along and they're like, now everybody has to be like this. So as people were- Yeah, yeah. They wanted you to die. That's what I love though. Already recovered. That's exactly what happened. Yeah. Because for the longest time, I was saying, I don't think I'm worried about this. And people would get angry at me. And then I get it, and I recover quickly.

And then they're even more angry. Right, because you were a bad person. You should have consequences for it. Bad person for literally being healthy my whole life. Bad person for working on it constantly. Spending a shit ton of money to stay healthy. A bad person for being skeptical of the corporate narrative. The fact that you're calling them. And here's a question that I would love to have answered. If social distancing was efficacious in terms of COVID transmission, why aren't we

doing it again? No one's talking about it. And if it didn't work, why do we do it to begin with? Did you see the president and his wife walk through that restaurant today? Completely maskless. With his mask mandate? Yeah. But it's rules for thee, not for me. That's their principle with everything. That is it. Gavin Newsom, we caught him.

There's a super cut of all these politicians who are just doing this hypocritical stuff. The mayor of San Francisco recently got busted doing it. Rashida Tlaib, she even said on camera, she's like, oh, the Republicans are here, so I have to put the mask on kind of thing. Yeah, LOL. But this is why I'm so excited about social media

because if it wasn't social media, you wouldn't be able to call these people on their crap. There was that footage in, was it Wisconsin or Minnesota, where the reporter had a mask and the cameraman didn't and people just put up their cell phones and they filmed it. So it was up on Twitter before the footage was up on the news station. Do you think that anything would be – don't you think it works both ways, though, that it's also accelerating this sort of – this chaos, too?

Oh, isn't it great? Yeah, but it's also – I know you love that. I do. Oh, I love it't it great. It's yeah, but it's also I know you love that I do Oh, I love it. I know you do But don't you think that it's also like what what would it be like if there was no? Social media in terms of the hyperbole in terms of like everything getting blown into this wild anxiety ridden frenzy, we don't you think that it's the social media also Accelerates all of the anxiety? I think it does

both things. I think it's bifurcating things. There's two populations, right? And we know what it would look like without social media because it was after it was the Iraq war, because there really wasn't social media to that extent in 2001, 2002. And the drumbeat for war was incessant. And if you were saying we shouldn't go into Iraq at the time, it was much harder to get a message out. Colin Powell, who, as you just said,

passed away earlier today, just went on the floor of the UN and said, us, not only does Sudan have weapons, mass destruction, he's about to launch them. There wasn't really this kind of way to show contempt and have a parody. Like if you go on Facebook, if you go on parody like if you go on facebook if you go on twitter if you go

on youtube a new york times account and a random jerk's account look basically the same so they do have that even playing yes you didn't have that before social media did you see that cnbc had a paid tweet by pfizer i i mean a paid tweet to promote pf Pfizer but they're promoting the vaccine for free yeah but but a paid tweet okay but there's something about that where you have an organization that's responsible for the news right and they tweet something and then it says tweet paid for by Pfizer yeah but Joe that's so transparent but that's good because before they would be in Pfizer's pocket and you wouldn't know about it because you think they're being objective. Oh, no, I agree.

It's good to see it because it confirms your suspicions. But it's also crazy. They're not even hot here. I'll send it to you. Here's another question. I'd like ask people on your ask your Facebook friend. Do you think the pharmaceutical companies have an incentive to force everyone to be their customer? And of course they do.

Yeah. Look at that. Paid post by they do. Yeah, look at that. Paid post by Pfizer. Wow. Messenger RNA, a groundbreaking technology, has immense portrayal behind fighting infectious disease. This is how it works. Paid post by Pfizer.

Meanwhile, one of the gentlemen who created the mRNA vaccine says it should never be used in a pandemic. Wow. Have you seen that? I have not. Wow. Have you seen that? I have not seen that. That guy talk about it? Yeah, he was interviewed by Jimmy Dore. Okay, who's great.

Yeah, who's great. It's a long conversation where they discuss mass vaccinations during a pandemic. And this guy, I don't know if he's right or wrong. I'm not a scientist, but this guy is very- Just an equestrian? Yes. A horse. I'm basically a horse centaur i'm healthy as a horse

again sorry for being healthy sorry yeah sorry it's it's fascinating though the ex exposing of mainstream media that's one thing that i'm very happy about don't call them mainstream because they're not mainstream right this this show is more mainstream yes it's the corporate press it's more mainstream by a factor of 10 mainstream than they are. Yes, it's the corporate press. It's more mainstream by a factor of 10. Of course. Which is pretty crazy. But it's also funny how they will do everything in their power to make you seem like you should be dismissed and not taken seriously.

Right. Yeah, but it's not working. No. That's what's fascinating. But this framing of ivermectin as horse medicine, in in some ways i'm really happy that they did it to me because they could have the audience yes last back did you see that super cut yes of just one after another them laughing yeah yeah hilarious it's but also this is what's interesting they kept saying that ivermectin first of all it's like you called your dealer you had it prescribed

right so when they say it's not approved it's not like you are using your own, you had it prescribed, right? So when they say it's not approved, it's not like you are using your own judgment. You're using the judgment of a medical professional, which is what they've been yelling for a year and a half. Listen to the experts. Not only that, I listed off a laundry list of medications and that's the one they focused on. I said I took monoclonal antibodies. I said I took prednisone. I said I took Z-Pak. I said I had IV infusions of NAD and of vitamins. And I also took ivermectin. I mean, it should be no surprise. I had Dr. Pierre Corey, who is one of the doctors from the frontline critical COVID care group that has been treating people, including, by the way, 200 Congress people have been treated with ivermectin

for COVID. Did you know that? I did not know that. Holy crap. Google that. 200. I believe you could probably find it in Dr. Pierre Corey's Twitter page. Yeah. Before there were vaccines, this was a common treatment, an off-label treatment for COVID. Now,

I do not know what the motivation for demonizing this particular medication is. Again, I'm not know what the motivation for demonizing this particular medication is. Again, I'm not a doctor and I'm not a scientist, but I would imagine some of it has to do with money. The reason being is that it is a generic drug now. The patent has run out, so anybody can make it, and it's worth like 30 cents a dose. Now, Merck has its own antiviral that's supposed to do the same thing

that they claim ivermectin does, as does Pfizer. They're both about to release it. I don't know if that's why the FDA is making snarky tweets about it being veterinary medicine, but I do know that it was used for humans for fucking years before they ever started using it for animals. And I also do know that there is a massive amount of medications that have veterinary applications, including penicillin. Well, Joe, it's like me calling Child Protective Services because my neighbor was feeding her baby cat food, and by cat food I mean milk.

Yeah. I mean, it's insane. It's insane. Dogs take Xanax and all these other things. Wait a minute. Dogs take Xanax? Yeah. People have anxiety-ridden dogs?

Of course. I guarantee it's the person. Or cats. Come over to my house. My dog just lays down. I know. I met Marshall. He doesn't need Xanax.

Because he's fucking. He's a dog. He's happy. He's chill. Yeah. Actually, some people get rescue dogs. I should take that back. Sure.

I did have a dog that had anxiety because I got her when she was two. Or maybe it's an older dog gets a puppy and the dog doesn't know what to do and there's situations yeah yeah that could be yeah um but i don't think it's necessarily about the money so much it's it's about obedience because they're the ones who are promulgating how everyone has to act and then you have this guy from austin over here this comedian uh telling people there was another way and the science isn't as settled. And all of a sudden their sense of authority is diminished because when you have choices, that means that person who wants to be the one to go to no longer is the one who has all the answers. Well, this is what is so funny about that. They don't understand that when they say things that are absolutely untrue, it diminishes their authority.

They're not even aware of what they're doing. But they have an alternative. When Don Lemon goes on with Sanjay Gupta and says, actually, it really is a veterinary medicine. It really is deworming horses. This was the lie. He goes, it's not a lie to say it's also used as horse medicine. That's not what you said medicine that's not what you said that's not what you said you didn't say this drug which also is used for horses of what relevance

is that it doesn't have any relevance exactly exactly what you're talking about with penicillin and and with like a gigantic number of medicines that also have veterinary applications but by doing that you just you just prove my point they don't even understand what they just did. You think no one's, like, it's gonna end with you? See, because it used to be that way. They would say something, and no one would have recourse. Do you know what this is? But when you're saying something, and then the person

you're saying it about has literally ten times the audience you do. You dumb motherfucker. Do you know what you did? You just proved my point. But do you know what this is like? You and I are old enough to remember the WWF, right? So you had the WWF and then you had the NWA, which is the Alternative Wrestling Organization, which was much smaller. And you'd have the wrestlers come over from NWA to WWF and they pretended these people came out of nowhere.

And then one time they brought over Ric Flair and Bobby Heenan held up Ric Flair's belt. And this was their first acknowledgement of this other organization. And here's the other thing to look at NWA just had to change the channel. It's not like it was existing in some weird netherverse, but this is how they want to construct reality that you don't listen to Joe, you listen to Don Lemon telling you what Joe says, and you don't have that independent way to inform yourself. They need better people. They need people that are respected. Because it's not that CNN is beyond repair.

I think they're beyond repair. I don't think they are. Look, I know Jeff Zucker. He's a nice guy. I know Jeff. I worked for him. When I worked at NBC, when I was the host of Fear Factor, Jeff Zucker was the head of, he's a nice guy. I know Jeff, I worked for him. Okay. When I worked at NBC, when I was the host of Fear Factor, Jeff Zucker was the president of NBC.

He's a great guy. It's just, it's like everything else. These people are managing at scale. But you can't allow people to say things that are absolutely untrue when you have a fucking news organization. And it's not about my feelings. Oh, Joe Rogan's feelings are hurt. Like, I's not about my feelings though joe rogan's feelings are hurt like i like it when my feelings get hurt how about that yeah i like it i hurt my

own feelings like there's not a fucking human being that's a worse critic of me than me all right that's not what the problem is a challenge accepted listen listen you muttonhead let me tell you something, Joe Rogan. The look on your face. You are the ultimate troll. You should for sure have a crown. For sure have like the king of trolls. Yeah. And wear that.

You should wear that with certain posts. But dude, I disagree with you because when you're saying that you can't just have people lying, we're all taught in high school about yellow journalism and the Spanish-American War. And they lied to get us into that then there's a record scratch and they pretend that they're objective they've been lying for a very very long time here's another very easy example we were told that unless we have boots in the ground in Syria which means American troops dying the Kurds are going to be exterminated from the face of the earth right this is going to the genocide all

the boots weren't on the ground the Kurds were not exterminated the story vanished from the headlines and none of those people Advocating for war who are claiming if we don't do this it's gonna be genocide had any consequences for their lies You're 100% right. I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you something Jamie because this is also Something that I want to say this is one of the reasons why I think sub stack is so fucking amazing I and that's why they have to demonize it because it's an end run around there exactly, but this is like this is what? Glenn Greenwald is using and Matt Tybee is using and Barry Weiss is using I want me to play this this is a Barry on

Beginning on the beginning Yeah, there we go you right there are tens of millions of americans who aren't on the hard left or the hard right who feel the world has gone mad this is brian stelter and barry weiss well you know when you have the chief reporter on the beat of covid for the new york times talking about how questioning or pursuing the question of the lab leak is racist, the world has gone mad. When you're not able to say out loud and in public that there are differences between men and women, the world has gone mad.

When we're not allowed to acknowledge that rioting is rioting and it is bad, and that silence is not violence, but violence is violence, the world has gone mad. When we're not able to say that Hunter Biden's laptop is a story worth pursuing, the world has gone mad. When in the name of progress, young schoolchildren as young as kindergarten are being separated in public schools because of their race. And that is called progress rather than segregation. The world has gone mad there are

dozens of examples that i could share with with you and with you and you often say she's so good look at him look at him yeah you say we're not allowed we're not able who's the people stopping it's you you um people let work at networks frankly like the one I'm speaking on right now, who try and claim that, you know, it was racist to investigate the lab leak theory. It was... I mean, let's just take an example. But I'm just saying, when you say allowed, I just think it's a provocative

thing to say. You say we're not allowed. I can't take his voice. You see where Mark Dice does an impression of him? He has these videos of Brian Stelter who goes, it's Brian Stelter, I really ought to go into the movies and look at this. He just dubs over it. I think a lot of these folks don't have friends. And they don't have this sort of like this feedback loop.

Well, I think it's a circle jerk, don't you think? Yes. They're friends with each other. Well, yeah, right, right, right. But I mean, I think friends are like your diet. It has to be varied, you know? Of course. It has to be nutritious. I love it having friends who call me my bullshit. Yeah, it, right. But I mean, I think friends are like your diet. It has to be varied. Of course. It has to be nutritious.

I love it having friends who call me my bullshit. Yeah, it's important. They do it once. It's important. Once, but it's important to get it once. Duly noted. Click, block, delete. Holy shit, he's been watching my stuff.

Yeah, these are extraordinary times, but because Barry Weiss used to work at the New York Times and decided enough of this bullshit and has the courage and the principles to leave. And now she's got over 100,000 people on her sub stack and please subscribe to her sub stack because it's excellent. And she's a lefty. Yes, she's a lefty. Hardcore lefty. Excellent. And she's a lefty. Yes, she's a lefty.

Hardcore lefty. They are, even with this, what do you call it, COVID stuff and vaccine stuff, they're still trying to make it about Trump. And that if you're not getting the vaccinated because you're a Trump supporter, which has a complete non sequitur. Right. But they're so focused on creating their own little narrative that anything outside that really, they don't know how to engage with. Well, they have a playbook and it's, it's only like two pages long. And one of them is somebody has to be the bad guy and the bad guy, you know,

when it comes to this COVID stuff, there's anybody who questions the narrative, anybody who goes over the data and finds flaws in it. Anybody who has some sort of an alternative perspective, you're the bad guy and you're Trump, you know, and that's what they attempted to do to me. That's what this is all about, this weirdness that's going on. And when someone like Barry Weiss, who you can't put in that box, goes on CNN and just says something more sensible and more poignant than anybody who's ever fucking said anything on that network.

When that happens, you realize you've got a problem because the great minds are Not there the people that are saying things that are important and critical and crucial to our understanding of why we're so fucked right now They're people like Barry Weiss. They're the people that go on these networks and say hey, this is fucking madness And when you what's madness what's wrong? Who says that? No one on CNN. It's really funny when he says, who's saying that when they literally put on the screen the New York Times saying it. Exactly. Not only that, but he's saying, who's stopping

people from saying that while you're talking over? CNN threatened to sue someone for making a meme of Trump wrestling the CNN logo. Really? Yes. You didn't know this? No. They made a meme of a guy, Trump wrestling the CNN logo. Really? Yes. You didn't know this? No. They made a meme of a guy,

Trump wrestling, they put CNN's logo, and they tried to find out who it is, and they said, we still reserve the right to sue you. That's who's stopping people. Do not tell my legal team about this, because they're ready to go. Well, it's not like they listen to this show.

Let me see this article. CNN threatens lawsuit meme. That's hilarious. It's not hilarious. I'm sorry. It's not hilarious at all. When you're threatening as a giant corporation are threatening some kid in his mom's basement. In this case, it's probably literally true with a lawsuit for making a clearly humorous wrestling meme.

You are the evil corporations in every 80s dystopian sci-fi movie. Are we sure this isn't just some lawyer who works at CNN who oversteps his bounds? You could find the exact quote. I would like to know what happened. You could find the exact quote. I thought it was the PR person who said this. Well, that PR person is crazy. They're not crazy.

They're smart because they know they have the power and they're going to use it. But they're crazy in that now we know about it because it became a national story. Sure, sure. The Streisand effect. Exactly. Yeah.

The Streisand effect's beautiful. It really is. It's a beautiful thing, and it's a thing about the internet. If people don't know the Streisand effect, would you please explain how it happened with her house? Sure, Barbara, there was some picture of, I don't remember exactly, of basically a bunch of houses on the beach.

She has this massive house, I think, on a bluff. Malibu, I think it was. Yeah. And someone somewhere just identified, oh, this Barbara Streisand house. She tried to, she sued him. And they had no views. She sues him or threatens lawsuit. It blows up.

And as a consequence of her trying to keep it hidden, it became a hundred times more visible than it would have been otherwise. So if she just kept her mouth shut and let it blow over, none of this would have happened. Yeah. Well, every fucking famous person. This is a crazy thing. Like once the internet happened, I think she's legacy media, right? She didn't understand. Yeah, I was like, when, you know, Barbra Streisand is 1,000 years old.

When she was a kid and super popular, everything was controlled. Those are the days when Lyndon Johnson used to take a shit with the door open and talk to the press. Oh, yeah. When everybody knew that Kennedy was having affairs and no one said anything. This is a different world. When everybody knew that Kennedy was having affairs and no one said anything. This is a different world. And then, you know, you didn't publish the address of people who were, you know, considered celebrity royalty.

Like, Barbra Streisand is celebrity royalty. For sure. Right? Did she win an Oscar? I think she won an Oscar. She's an EGOT. She's got all four of them. Yeah.

She's got everything. So she's literally like legacy royalty. And for her to say this, like, you can't show a picture of my house. Don't you know who I am? Everybody's like, what house? Yeah. I want to see Barbara's house. Where's his house?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I mean, my house was formed under an LLC. I bought my house under an LLC. I did all this stuff to hide it. And they were all talking about, don't worry, it'll be private. And I started laughing. Yeah, of course. I was like, I go, private? I go,

there's no private anymore? That shit doesn't exist. Did you find it, Jamie? Yes, well, sort of. I found CNN's version of what they said happened. I know, but there's not a lot of articles about this.

Right after they have a pop-up that says race deconstructed. What the fuck does that even mean? No, but if you just look for CNN Threats lawsuit. Okay, sorry. I did. There's a bunch of people like Trump threatening lawsuits

to CNN that was taking over all of the search results. There you go. This is the one. So here's another site that talked about what happened, but I don't have the story. But let's go for the independent.

It says CNN accused of blackmailing Reddit user behind Trump's wrestling meme. And there's the meme. It's clearly a joke. They put a CNN logo over a person's head. Right, right. Any assertion that the network coerced or blackmailed the user is false, says CNN.

Well, maybe it is false. Well, so that's why I went to what CNN had, and they actually, like, it goes deeper into the person that they talked to, and then this, who's a person on Reddit, wrote these apologies which then seems that's a little like i don't see anybody on reddit really ever doing that it may have happened but that's not typical for listen what he says well he might have been joking says first of all i'd like to apologize to the members of the reddit community for getting this site and this sub embroiled in controversy that should have never happened and it should never have happened, he wrote. I would also like to apologize to the post

for the post that were racist, bigoted, and anti-Semitic. I am in no way this kind of person. I love and accept people of all walks of life and have done so for my entire life. Oh, he probably got contacted at work.

Of course he did. They basically doxxed him trying to find out who made this. Go back, please. I am not the person that the media portrays me to be in real life. I was trolling and posting things to get a reaction from the subs at Reddit. That's the thing that people have to understand about, like, Reddit and 4chan and all that stuff. These people are having fun and they're saying things that are wildly inappropriate

because they're wildly inappropriate. And anonymous. Right. This is not their actual feelings on this subject. When you read something and you see a frog with a Hitler helmet on, it's not that you're anti-Semitic. It's that it's ridiculous to do. But CNN was saying this meme

was him calling for violence against CNN. That's a lie. But did they really say that openly? That's what we need to find out. Yes. Because CNN said they did. If you search for the words CNN reserves the right, I'm pretty sure you'll find where they're threatening to lawsuit.

Well, it says on this part, it says CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change. Oh, my God. What? It says they were not going to publish it. should any of that change. Oh my god. What? Should any of what change? Any of what change? This is on CNN? Holy shit.

Yeah, that's why I was trying to say it. That's why I used their words. Hold on. CNN is not publishing this gentleman's name because he's a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology for that fucking nonsensical meme. Can you show the meme? Can you show how silly it is?

Hold on. Showed his remorse by saying he has taken down oh my god, all his affairs. This is on CNN. Joe, the last sentence is most important. His statement could serve as an example to others to not to do the same. If you make fun of us, we're going to find out who you are and we're going to dox you.

But also before that, look at this. And because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. Yeah. And then it also says CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change. Holy shit, that's a threat. Of course it's a threat. That is awful. But they also reserve the right, I'm 99% sure to sue him.

Please post that meme again, because the meme is so innocuous. And what year is this? Is this like 2017? You can see it at the very top in the URL. Okay, so that, isn't it crazy that the world has changed that much in four years? Because it really has. How so? I mean, they're still pulling this shit this yeah

But they would never say they would never say anything like this anymore. Yes. They would I don't think oh in a second I don't think they would I said worst about you. Yeah, but I think the podcast no they haven't No, they haven't by saying I took horse medication I mean they're trying to make you out to be a clown and they see a group to call this the Lions then like you're Listen goop is a nice guy Let me let me let me clarify this because this is important because Gupta is getting attacked Sanjay Gupta is a neurosurgeon He's a guy who worked literally like a fucking hundred and ten hours a week for years and years and years to becoming neurosurgeon

Sure, he's a socially awkward Introverted guy who's a medical pundit on CNN. Right. When he's communicating with them and he's doing these like short form conversations when he's dealing with like a powerful personality like Don Lemon, it's very difficult to get your point across. One of the things that he's been accused of that is not correct is that people said that he agreed that it was a veterinary medicine.

That's not what he agreed. People said that he agreed that it was a veterinary medicine. That's not what he agreed. What Don Lemon said, Don Lemon said that it was also used as a horse dewormer and it's not approved by the FDA for use for COVID. And he said that's correct. That's what he meant was it's not approved for COVID. He tried to talk and Don interrupted him and he actually called me and we had a conversation about this. He's not a bad guy. He's a very good guy, but he's also a guy that is a real practicing neurosurgeon, right? So he's insanely busy and he's not up on all this

propaganda. Wait a minute. You don't think he got, I don't know about that. I don't know. So I'm asking from a place of ignorance, not a place of gotcha. Do you not think that they gave him a call after this show and said, you got to go on Don Lemon and do damage control? I think they invited him to go on Don Lemon's show and talk about it, for sure. Yeah, of course. And he also went on Aaron Burnett's show. Yeah, and if they had their druthers, they would ignore you.

And they don't have that option anymore. The Aaron Burnett one is hilarious. Oh if they had their druthers, they would ignore you. And they don't have that option anymore. The Aaron Burnett one is hilarious. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Because I said to him, because he said, you should get a vaccine even though you've already had COVID. And I said, why would I do that? I said, you should get COVID. I go, you'd have real protection.

And Aaron Burnett, apparently, I haven't seen that. Have you seen it? Go to his, my wife said, it is a comedy sketch. She goes, it's so hilarious. She goes, it's bad acting, like soap opera acting. She goes, do you think he really wanted you to get COVID? I haven't seen it, so we should watch it together in real time. Yes, please, please.

But that is worse than what they said. They're saying if they're implying that you want him to get COVID, that's really bad. I do think you should get COVID. No, but you don't want him to get COVID in the sense that I hope you get sick. No, I think it would be good for his immune system. Right, but you want him to get COVID in the sense that I hope you get sick. No, I think it'd be good for his immune system. Right, but you want him to get COVID and get healthy, not get COVID and die. 100%. I love that guy.

I really do. I really love him. I think he's a really nice guy. I really do. I really, really do. I'm a fan of Sanjay Gupta as a person. I've had many chances to talk to him. I'm going to send you something else, Jamie.

That's important. I like him. My dealings with him, whether it was on the show or off the show. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. Let me hear this.

Yeah. Passed. If you're like 21 years old and you say to me should I get vaccinated this is not what I want but go to the part this is all just old stuff this is me and him talking go ahead hit it there

vaccinated but I think a lot of people you're talking a lot of vulnerable people if you just said vulnerable people older people fat people I think a lot of those folks my real concern is this urge to vaccinate children. Yeah. And I don't know what kind of data we have on the long-term effects of this,

and I don't know what kind of data we have. When you look at this study that shows that the 12- to 15-year-old boys are four to six times more likely, or is that the number? Whatever the number was. Much more likely. That scares the shit out of me. Thankfully, it's really small numbers, period. Right, period. All right. Sanjay is with me now. And Sanjay, of course, is also the author of the new book,

World War C, Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic and How to Prepare for the Next One. So Sanjay, look, I think this is really important because Joe Rogan is listened to and popular with a lot of people who aren't consuming mainstream media and mainstream science, right? So you went on there, I know, to talk to him. Pause, pause, pause.

How the fuck does she know that? Just, but hold on a second. I'll tell you how she knows it. But this, this is nonsense. I'll tell you how she knows it. Framing this narrative that I'm popular with people that don't consume mainstream media. Here's how I know.

Just the math. If you have a million viewers and they have a thousand, then you have 999,000 people who aren't consuming them. That's just math. Okay. I see what you're saying. Not consuming them. But that's not real because, okay, if that's mainstream media, but mainstream media has thousands of options. They're trying to make it out that people either listen to them or are crazy.

Right. That's the framing. But meanwhile, we've already proven that they're deceptive with this whole horse dewormer shit at best. I can give you another example in a second. Play it again. Yes. And to talk to people who listen to him. You talked to him for more than three hours.

So what was the main reason that you made the decision to do that? Yeah, I think it's exactly that, Aaron. I mean, it's this idea that we've been at this for a couple of years. Can we pause this? This is not a knock on him, but isn't it clear that the main reason he was here was to sell his new book? That, no, I invited him here. No, but his book just launched and more power to him.

I hope people buy it. Yeah, but let me explain how it all went down. We have a mutual friend. Our mutual friend reached out to me and said, Sanjay Gupta would like to connect with you. And I said, really? Was this recently? It was a month or so ago. And I said real is this recently it was a Month or so okay, and I said really and he goes yeah

He goes Sanjay Gupta listens to your podcast all the time, and he's a fan of the show And he wants to talk to you, so I say okay, so we connect Exchange a couple text messages And then we make a phone call and the phone calls like 45 minutes long and one of the things that he said is I love The fact do you have this camaraderie with all your your friends and he goes it's a really wonderful thing to see I really enjoy your conversations He goes I think you're very open-minded and curious person. Yes, I think that's really interesting and we have this really fun talk There's never a discussion of him doing my podcast. Okay, it was just fun talk and then he says I Would love to have dinner with you and he says I would love to have dinner

with you and I said I would love to have dinner with you too and I told him that I really respected the way he altered his opinion on marijuana when confronted with new data and we we had a great conversation and then he reaches out and tells me that you know he's going to be in Austin a certain amount of time you know at a certain point time and I, I can't do that time. I go, but listen, if you ever want to come in and do the podcast, I mean, if you like the podcast,

I'd love to have you on. I'd love to talk to you. And he said, let me see if I can do that. Yeah, you have to get it cleared, yeah. Yeah, and then he says, would you be willing to be on CNN as well? And I said, fuck no. I said, I don't want to be on CNN,

because I'm worried about editing. And they've already done it. They did it with these clips. And this is exactly what I was worried about. And he's not an editor. It's not in his hands. And they need you more than you need them. Well, I didn't think about it that way.

I'm just like, I just don't trust editing. I just don't. Because long form is where it's at. And it's one thing in a clip edited, like these clips of me and Sanjay having disagreements about whether it's about Horstie Wormer or whether it's about children being vaccinated. These are like 10-minute clips, and they're not edited,

not by me at least. These are long-ass clips. I think that's fair, but what they do on CNN, they take like 30-second sound bites, so I'm like, you should get COVID. Yeah, I hope you get COVID, Sanjay. So I'm like, you should get COVID. You know, I hope you get COVID Sanjay. So play it on. No, keep playing. Now, I think we talk about this, obviously, on your program on CNN, all the time. But there's a lot of people who still aren't getting the message. And I don't know, maybe it was a silly idea of mine. But I wanted to go talk if I think if you're serious about public health, you've got to go reach people who aren't typically hearing these messages.

And I think it's Joe. I also felt that Joe was willing to have a dialogue. I mean, we had talked on the phone a couple of times. He wanted to have this conversation. So I thought there was room for a real dialogue out of which maybe some new knowledge for his listeners could come. So I played part of the vaccination conversation, but as I said, it was three hours. So it wasn't the only time you tried to convince Rogan

to get vaccinated. I wanted to play another instance during an exchange that you had when you guys were talking about immunity to COVID. Testing is obviously testing you to see if you have the virus. The therapeutic is to treat see if you have the virus. The therapeutic is to treat you because you have the virus. I still think it'd be better not to get the virus.

I think it'd be better to get the virus and recover and have amazing immunity to it. Wouldn't it be? Well, you could get sick, though. You know what I think you should do? I think you should get vaccinated and then get sick. Yeah. This is why. Because then you got the vaccine protects you from a bad infection and then you get sick. Yeah. This is why. Because then you got, the vaccine protects you from a bad infection

and then you get COVID. So then you get the robust immunity that's imparted from having the actual disease itself, which is far more complex and comprehensive than you're getting from the vaccine that targets one specific protein, right? You could make that argument, I think. Yeah, so that's the move.

All right. Get vaccinated, let it wane and hang around with a bunch of dirty people. Okay, argument, I think. Yeah, so that's the move. Get vaccinated, let it wane, and hang around with a bunch of dirty people. Okay, well, I... And then get a lot of therapeutics on hand so you can take care of it quickly. I will see your recommendation and give you a recommendation. You should have come out with us last night. You probably would have caught it.

I almost did. Now I know what your secret plan was. No. No. But so... Now watch this. So for you, Joe Rogan, I would say you've had it. Yes. So now get one shot of the vaccine. No.

Why not? Because I have better immunity than I would if I was vaccinated. Here you go. Okay. So, Sanjay, I mean, as many times you try to explain that, I mean, the obvious things of nobody knows how long that natural immunity lasts or how it differs from person to person. And of course, it would only be better if you had the vaccine on top of it, all of these basic facts. Basic facts.

Do you feel like you broke through or that he will ever embrace the vaccine? I really, I don't think so. I mean, you know, I hate to say that, but he just was very steadfast in this. I don't think so. I hate to say that, but he just was very steadfast in this. And when I cited him data saying, hey, look, there is the people who have natural immunity, people who have vaccinated immunity. And while the natural immunity may be strong for a period of time, reinfection rates are twice as high among people who have natural immunity versus vaccinated immunity. I don't think that's true. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

I don't think that's true. Did he say that to you on the show? No, he did not. And if he did, I would have challenged him. I don't. I's true stop stop stop stop stop i don't think that's true did he say that to you on the show no he did not i don't and if he did i would have challenged him i don't i've never heard that before he could be right not only do i not believe that's true but people who have been vaccinated have had breakthrough cases and died i think the number of people who have had covid twice and died on the second time is incredibly small. I was reading an article about this recently where they were trying to find instances of people who caught COVID, survived, got the antibodies, and then died on the second case. Everyone that I know, I know four people that have,

I know 13 people now that had breakthrough cases. So another thing that he said during the show that I didn't challenge, he said that breakthrough cases are incredibly rare. They're not incredibly rare. With time dependent, let's call him Powell's breakthrough case. But obviously he has a different situation because he had cancer. But I know 13 fucking people

that have had breakthrough cases. Michaela had it. Peterson. Did she? Yes. Breakthrough case? Yes. Yeah. The number of people that have gotten COVID and recovered and then had it again and then died is so small. Not only that, they think that there was an article that published recently, and I know I'm giving you a lot to Google, Jamie, that said that there was a study that they believe that the antibodies imparted from natural infection are not only more robust, they're six to 13 times better based on the

Israeli study of 2.5 million people, six to 13 times better than the immunity that's imparted from the vaccine. But this study from this, when they were dealing with SARS, they're showing people that have immunity of SARS-CoV-1, right? The original one, that it's better, it's not just better than the vaccine, but people have immunity from SARS that have recovered from it 18 years later. Like this article that was recently published with this study, they were saying they believe that it imparts lifetime immunity.

It may impart lifetime immunity. So what she's saying, we don't know how long. Can we rewind a little bit because it sounded so crazy. We do know. Well, here's another thing we do know. Johnson & Johnson. There was an article about the Johnson & Johnson. I'm giving you too much to Google. I want to pause. I found

a recent article, September. COVID-19 antibodies persist, reduce reinfection, up to six months. Study finds. Man, the problem is that it's like did not differ significantly over the six month period. Okay, the antibodies ability to neutralize COVID-19 did not differ significantly over the six month period. Problem is we have a limited amount of time, right?

We only have 18 months of people even having this disease. But here's what we do know. If they did not differ significantly, the vaccine did differ significantly, massively. In fact, the Johnson & Johnson, find this one. It went from 88% to 3% in six months. That's fucking wild. Well, they always talk about how you need boosters. So this is not even in dispute that the vaccines are limited.

I was under the impression, and again, I'm not Sanjay, I'm not a doctor, that once you have it, you're set for a very long time in terms of your antibodies. I thought that was not in dispute. It's not in dispute, except it's CNN. And this is why it's a problem. And when she's saying that the people that listen to this podcast don't consume mainstream media, maybe that's why. Maybe what you just did is why it's a problem. And when she's saying that the people that listen to this podcast don't consume mainstream media,

maybe that's why. Maybe what you just did is why. Here it is. The researchers found that among more than 600,000 veterans, the J&J vaccine's protection fell from 88% in March to 3% in August. Moderna looks pretty good. Moderna's vaccine protection against infection fell to 64% from 92%. Pretty fucking good.

And Pfizer's declined to 50% from 91%. That's like half. Half as effective. The Moderna one, though, has the most side effects because it's the most potent. Okay. So the thing is that Johnson & Johnson is the least potent, and Fauci has said recently that they should have probably made the Johnson & Johnson

for two doses, not for one. But it's also, the way they discuss the vaccine, there's several vaccines, and they're trying to act as if these are interchangeable when that data is clearly showing the opposite. Exactly. They're clearly showing that that's the opposite, and they're also clearly showing a decline. We know about the decline, and we also know that there's no decline, at least in six months, with natural immunity.

So she's saying this, and I don't know how much research she's done. I don't want to give Erin Barnett a hard time. I don't know how much research she's done. I know she's probably got a narrative that she's been given by producers. But if you don't have research, don't say it's a fact. Just say, as far as I know or my understanding is, because you have a doctor there who can correct you. Yes. That's her job to be like, look, why is the medical correspondence there if you don't know?

Michael, you've done a lot of these shows. And I think part of it, and this is, again, I have no disagreement with Aaron Burnett. I think the problem is these goddamn short-form shows. This is no way to discuss something that's incredibly nuanced and very difficult to discuss and very important. And you're dealing with the differences in there's so many variables in terms of age, in terms of immune systems, health. There's so many factors that we need to take into consideration when we're talking about people that get sick. But I disagree with you because it's not a short-form thing. Like you said, I've done a lot of these shows, and a lot of times I'm talking out of my ass.

So what I make sure to say is it is my understanding or as far as I know, or I was under the impression that you coach it in those terms. So the person listening to be like, this is my opinion and I'm not completely informed. She is saying these are, this is her quote, basic facts. That's a very different way of framing what she's saying Well also when she's saying that you're not gonna talk him into getting the vaccine. I don't fucking need the vaccine Did you understand I've recovered from Kovac? Why is it so important for her to have him talk you into taking this vaccine because this is the narrative

Right, this is the mainstream narrative and they know that if they say it that way They won't receive any criticism except for from fringe people like me. But if they say it any other way, then people will come down on them and call them an anti-vaxxer. They're calling fucking Eric Clapton an anti-vaxxer. He's been vaccinated. And a racist. Did you see what the Rolling Stone did?

I didn't see what Rolling Stone did, but I saw what the LA Times did. The Rolling Stone, I believe it was Rolling Stone, had an article about a history of Eric Clapton's racist remarks. So as soon as he pushes back a narrative, they go digging and now he's a racist. What did he say that they said was racist? I didn't read the article. Good for you. Well, Rolling Stone

also printed a completely fake story about gunshot victims in Oklahoma. Oh yeah, yeah. Needing to wait to get into the ER because there were so many people that were overdosing on horse medication, which is a fucking total lie. Not only that,

the amount of ivermectin you would need to take to have an overdose is fucking massive. But Joe, didn't they also have a picture of people lining up outside wearing winter coats? Yes, wearing winter coats in Oklahoma. And the article was in the summer, yes. In Oklahoma in fucking August. It's so dumb.

It's so dumb. It's not dumb because if you were raised to look at these people as arbiters of truth, you would never think to question them. Well, Rolling Stone is a weird thing because it's more of a culture magazine than it is anything. But they're venturing into this clickbait world. And that's what this is. This is clickbait. I don't think it's clickbait at all. I don't think they expect people to click on that headline.

I think they just want to pass a narrative. They're not expecting you to read that article about Eric Clapton said that was racist. They're expecting you to think Eric Clapton equals racist equals bad. Well, maybe that. Maybe the Eric Clapton thing. But I think they do want you to click on it because that's where they make their money. They're not interested in money no one is buying print anymore. Right. Right. Everyone's consuming everything online. Sure. The only way to get clicks is to, I have friends that are journalists that tell me their editors tell them this, that you have to, even if you're being deceptive in your headlines and maybe sometimes they will submit something with one headline, and it'll be changed. But yeah, they often don't write their own headlines.

Right, exactly. It'll be changed. I've had that happen. That's the issue. And they're trying to get as many people to click on it as possible. And if they can do it by being deceptive, it can make a difference of 10%, 15% clicks, which is huge or maybe even more. They're fucking starving, right? There's no one paying for this shit.

No one's paying for journalism. I pay for a few. But very few people are paying to subscribe to the New York Times or the Washington Post or Rolling Stone. They're just consuming things online and they have an abundance of options. I mean there's so many options. To get people to click on things, you have to make it inflammatory. You have to make it outrageous. But I also think making it inflammatory gives them power because if you're the one who's getting an emotional reaction of a person, you're creating a bond with them.

I see your point, but I don't think that's the motivation. I think the motivation is not power, it's finances. I think they're trying to make money. They're trying to make money in a dying business. If they were trying to make money, they would have changed their tactics over the last few years. And they haven't. They've just been doubling down on that which is destroying them. Thank God. Yeah, but clickbait is a good tactic if you want to get people to click on your stuff.

But if it's working, then why are they dying? Well, they're dying because they're just in a bad market. But that's just an excuse. Like every market's bad. Every market is good or bad. Doesn't mean the individual organization is going to do well or poorly. I think the only people that are thriving in this market are the Matt Taibis and the Glenn Greenwalds and the Barry Weises who are independent, who have low overhead and

have moved to Substack. Yeah. Those are the people that are thriving. Because people are like, someone, or the Alex Berenson, someone please tell me the truth. Tell me the truth. Tell me. But this is also why people

who work at these kind of institutions, like, they do not have it in them to have people attract them on a personal level. So they have to repeat the party line

because someone who works for Let's Suppose Reason magazine isn't going to be someone whose podcast you're going to want to listen to or the Substack you're going to subscribe. Maybe.

Maybe they are. You know what I mean? Like, look, there's a lot of individuals that work for these organizations that are kind of trapped inside of these weird- Of course. Yeah. Because that's the only way they get status and stature, because they have that credential. If they were on Substack or in the free market, no one's going to listen to what they have

to say. Or they started out 20 years ago and it was a viable option. In 2001, that was the way to go. Oh, hell yeah. I look at the New York Times. My parents brag about me and my friends. Dude, I used to deliver it just because it was a cool thing to deliver. Really? Yeah, yeah. You were a paper boy? Yes, I was a paper boy. But I was proud to deliver the New York Times. I used to deliver

the Boston Globe. That was my main account. And then I also had the Boston Herald and I got a New York Times account. I was like, oh, I'm delivering the New York Times. But it was too much of a pain in the ass because I lived in Boston and the routes were so wide. I would have to drive like seven miles to drop off 30 papers. It was too crazy. Whereas with Boston, I would go, this house gets it, this house gets it, that house doesn't, this house gets it. It was so many houses got the Globe. And then the Herald was like half the amount, and then the Times was like one-eighth the amount. Oh, really?

Even in Boston? Okay, that's surprising. In Boston, a lot of people did get the Times, but you got a blue bag for the New York Times. The New York Times had a blue plastic bag. It was beautiful. Something threw up in after. Yes, because I would have different clear bags

for the Herald and clear bags for the Boston Globe, but the New York Times had a blue bag. That's cool. I'll chuck that blue bag. And I'd drive by those houses. I'm like, those people are sophisticated. They're reading the New York Times. But that's why they're reading the New York Times, so they can portray themselves sophisticated. That's what they're selling.

It's not just the clickbait. It's that sense of status. Well, in 1987, when I was doing this, it was like a big deal. It was like that was the only way you got the news there was no internet back then ostensibly Do you want to watch the rest of this Aaron Burnett thing? We can but it's the same shit. Yeah, the poor guy is a fucking it's a hostage video. It is a right That's the thing. Yeah, it's a hostage video with Don Lemon. It's a hostage video with Aaron Burnett and I'm telling you I know Sanjay Gupta as a person he's a very good guy like the hate that he's getting is undeserved and meanwhile I'm the subject of the disinformation

right right I'm the guy who had the conversation with him and when he's saying that he walked into the lion's den he was worried that I was going to throttle his neck that's his attempt at humor he's a fucking neurosurgeon these people are socially awkward people who are does what their main focus of study is like is fixing human bodies right that's what he does so he works as a medical correspondent for this major uh network who again i don't even blame them i don't blame aaron burnett i don't even blame don lemon or don't blame Aaron Burnett. I don't even blame Don Lemon or fucking Brian Stelter. They are who they are. And I definitely don't blame Jeff Zucker.

Jeff Zucker is, like I said, I like that guy. If I saw him today, I'd give him a hug. He's a really good guy. How is he a good guy if they're spreading all this? Because he's managing at scale. It's fucking preposterous, this machine that they have, this CNN media empire trying to collect all these news stories and filter it. I'm sorry. So if you have an organization that in part is dedicated to spreading misinformation and leading to war, which means lots of people dying.

I'm going to have to spark a joint. Go for it. Someone's got to be the bad guy. They can't all be good, innocent people. Let's blame the dead people. As soon as they die. Colin Powell? Yeah, that guy yeah sure he lied he did you know misinform it best on the floor of the un who's the bad guy what do you mean who's what's who's the worst bad guy what's what's our real problem i think it's the corporate i

think oh the universities that's for sure the bad guys that that is a problem yeah they're the villains why are they why are they so? Because that's where the poisoning starts. That's when they teach everyone to kind of promulgate these demented ideas and spread them out through academia or, excuse me, through entertainment, through the corporate press. Dude, the government has come in and glued my blunts. Look, all of a sudden they're on fire. And look, no smoke is coming out of them.

This is how they're trying to stop me. What happened there? What's going on? I don't fucking know. I'm telling you. I've been gone for a week. I went elk hunting. I come back and my blunts don't work.

Where's Alex? Get Alex on the phone. Why do my blunts work? Alex is right down the street. We can go get him. Better? Yeah, this one's working. But I'm surprised when you agree that things are getting chaotic, things are getting out of control, and you're saying no one's to blame?

No one's a bad person? It's not that no one's to blame. It's that no individual is to blame, and it's not their intent to do things wrong They get caught in a trap you ever been in an argument with someone like you hate someone you don't like them and then Some way or another either they reach out to you or you reach out to them and then you become friends. Yes Yeah, that's that's humans this this way of communicating that we're doing right? I'm talking shit about them and they're talking shit about me, I'm a very friendly person.

If I'm with those people in a room, we'd have a different perspective on each other. Sure. The problem is communication. And I think that's the problem with everything. Even the way CNN does what they do, the only reason they're allowed to do what they do is because no one's there to say, hey, this is not right. This is not accurate. This is not true. That's communication. They have no two-way communication. When you have one-way communication, you run the risk of being this person who disseminates disinformation or propaganda without even realizing what you're doing is wrong. But they have plenty of two-way information because they're called on their crap

all the time on social media and they see it and now they have choice to respond to it. Right. They double down. The thing is like they don't respect social media. They don't think of social media as being an accurate representation of what the people think. They think it's a bunch of assholes. Sure. but just because someone's an asshole doesn't mean that what they're saying is an accurate case in point. You? Yes, me.

But the thing is, they lie. Here's a good example. There we go. There we go. God, I'm going to get a contact high. Take that in. Take it in. You do not want to see me high.

I do want to see you high. How come you're scared? You said you're more mean. What are you, Aaron Burnett? He's scared. You saw him. He's scared. That's Keith Olbermann. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, Keith Olbermann. He doesn't want to call me scared. He called me Mr. Afraid. Yeah.

Ooh, Mr. At least said Mr. Oh, my God. Little does he know I like being afraid. You can't... Look, I'm sure he's a nice person, a friendly person, Jeff Zucker. But if he's seeing all this feedback and he's, uh, organizing as a human being you know and I'm aware of it I don't we have this this thought that a large percentage of what CNN and most mainstream media sites say are

Curated and cultivated and there's a motivation behind it, and it's not objective sort of You know like what's the gold standard of news today? I mean, I don't even I mean my gold standard of news now is independent people correct. You know it's like Crystal and Sagar from breaking points. It's the hill. It's like these Independent site the new hills not bad. They're very bad really yes. They're really bad if you look at their tweets They're really bad, and they're not only the tweets. Yes really bad and they're dishonest. I don't read their tweets. I just watch their show. The show is different, but I'm talking about the publication.

But are you saying that this idea that they construct a false reality is not an accurate idea? I think it's pretty obvious that some of it is false. I just don't know how much of it is false. I can give you one example I had queued up. Okay. We remember during the 2020 democratic presidential debates right the the members the moderate members of the party were looking for a non-bernie alternative to bernie and biden wasn't doing well and officer harris started doing very well in the polls

then there came a officer harris oink oink then there became a then there was the debate and our girl Tulsi fried that pig just like a Hawaiian knows how to do. Oh, she sunk that battleship. Right? So not only, and then all the clip reels had that. There was a series of articles when Kamala Harris dropped out of the presidential race. None of them mentioned her. They all pretended it wasn't a factor. If it wasn't a factor, why was it in the clip reels and why was it making headlines?

Go to, Jamie, if you go to fucktards.org. What? That's a website? Yeah, I have it. I also have christophercuomo.com. Do you really? Oh yeah.

If you go to fucktards.org, you can see my tweet threads from 2019, article after article talking about Kamala Harris and none of them mentioning Tulsi Gabbard. That is a lie. To say that Tulsi didn't nuke her in a post-mortem of her campaign is dishonest and creating a narrative. Isn't she the most fascinating, Tulsi?

She's the most fascinating because she checks all the boxes and yet they don't want to have anything to do with her. She's a woman of color, right? Hindu. She is a congresswoman for eight years. Check. She is a veteran who was deployed overseas twice in a medical unit, right? Experienced the horrors of combat and the consequences. Check.

All those things. She's progressive. She's open-minded. She displays all the leadership qualities that you would ever want from a president. You want yourself a woman president? That's your girl right there. I liked her a lot better when I thought she was going to do my show. So now I've gotten a little softer on Tulsi. The way you can get with her is you have to do it through me Like I sneak you in on a show with her. Oh, that's the only way that would be the only way that would be I just want you know, I'm friend Michael. I've met her on a show. Yeah. Yeah

That'll be hilarious. She'd probably laugh. She would go with it man. I'm telling you she's a surfer She's she's there first know how to go with it. I mean, I don't know her I'm telling you. She's a surfer. Surfers know how to go with it. I mean, I don't know her deeply and forever, but what I've met, the conversations I've had with her,

she's a real person. I'm impressed. I don't know what the fuck it takes to be a president. I mean, I think you need a unicorn. You need a fake person to really do it the way everybody would be happy. It's a non-winning race. You know what you need? You need Depends, hair plugs, and some

dentures. And a whole lot of ice cream. Not more! Less! My favorite Biden is Angry Old Man, Get Off My Lawn Biden. That is when the mask drops and he starts yelling at people, it's hilarious. Meanwhile, Jamie, I sent you this, right? You need to see this.

Because after I said that to him, I think you should be vaccinated and then get COVID. Bam! Look at this article in the Courier Mail. If you're fully vaccinated against COVID, the next step to improve your immunity may be to actually catch the virus. Folks, listen. I was

joking around with Sanjay and we were drinking whiskey. This is another thing that Aaron Burnett didn't bring up in that clip. We were drinking. Like, we're being silly. I was like, I Sanjay and we were drinking whiskey. This is another thing that Aaron Burnett didn't bring up in that clip. Yeah. We were drinking. Like, we're being silly. Well, I was like, I think you should get COVID. Like, I don't really hope he gets COVID.

I hope COVID gets eradicated. I hope they get therapeutic so that no one ever gets COVID again. Yeah. This is what I really hope. But if they're- But when I was saying that, it's not- Like, when he's saying I should get vaccinated and I'm telling him, well, there's a greater chance of complications if you've already had COVID and get vaccinated.

And I have friends that have actually been vaccinated after COVID and most of them were fine. But three of them that I know personally got fucking wrecked. How wrecked? What happened? Well, one of them started developing fluid in his body. Holy shit. Oh, that's not a joke. Oh, okay.

It's Craig Jones. Okay. He's one of the best Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts on the planet. He's an elite level athlete, like an Olympic class athlete. He was a part of the Donaher Death Squad, and now they formed a new jiu-jitsu team called the B Team. But when it comes to grappling, the world is so small and there are no phonies. Yeah, yeah, of course.

There's no phonies in terms of top flight competition. He's at the top of the heap. He's as good as it gets. There's a couple like Gordon Ryan's. He's the elite of the elite. Gordon Ryan at the top of the heap he's as good as it gets there's a couple like gordon ryan's maybe he's he's a he's the elite of the elite gordon ryan's the elite of the elite but there's like gary tonin craig jones there's so many guys he's undeniable right so he gets a shot after he's already had covid he was doing a show and they wanted him to do it and got pressure he's like i'll do it do it his reaction was so bad like he breathes through covid but having this he was in bed for 11 days he was wrecked and he he's got he posted on his instagram he's got videos of him touching his body and his i don't know what

had happened but this part of this side effect whatever it was had filled the side of his body with fluid they didn't know what the fluid was. They just told him to come in if it gets worse, but you're just gonna have to let your body reabsorb this fluid. So he's got this bag of water. This is like a super lean athlete. Yeah, yeah.

And he's got the, I mean, looks like a swimmer type dude, like a Michael Phelps type body. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then he's got this side of his body that's just like, look at this. Oh my God. Yeah, so there's a video where he touches it.

Oh my God. Yeah. There's a video on his Instagram. It's like Total Recall with that thing coming at him. It was weird, right? This is something that can happen. It's not normal, but it can happen. It's like, the thing is like this long-term data question.

Everybody wants to pretend that that's not something that we should think about. When it's been something we should think about. Oh God. normal, but it can happen. It's like the thing is like this long-term data question. Everybody wants to pretend that that's not something that we should think about. When it's been something, we should think about, yeah. So this is his normal side of his body. And then the other side of his body. COVID gives you dad bod, the vaccine. He doesn't know what it is and no one knows what it is. But here's the other thing. There are things that this vaccine is encased in. There's like, what is it? Propene, glycol. What is it?

There's like a... But hold on a second. There's a thing that the actual vaccine itself is encased in that people sometimes have allergies to. And it's in shampoo. it's a common chemical with the cell fights no I think I'm trying to remember the name of it propene propene glycolate or some shit like that but it's in shampoo and it's also in some of the vaccines and it's like a natural it's a part of how they made it and some people have allergic reaction to it.

Like Sam Harris had a really good point about this. He said, if you give a million people peanuts, you're going to have a lot of problems. He's 100% right. So this is not saying that you shouldn't do it. This is saying that this is just facts. These are facts we're talking about. Yeah, it's Russian roulette with 100,

you know, you're going to spend enough time, someone's going to get the bullet. This guy didn't get the bullet, but that was one shot of a vaccine. He was supposed to take another shot after that because he was from Australia, so he's got to travel back and forth. I'm still fixated on how you're saying these aren't bad people

when they're trying to make... Yeah, this is it. How do you say that? Polyethylene glycol. Polyethylene glycol. Polyethylene glycol. So that's the stuff. I know a guy who plays for the NFL. I've had a conversation with him about this. He's an elite athlete,

and he is worried because he has an allergy to that stuff. Like, you know, some people have an allergy to fucking ragweed or whatever the fuck it is. Dogs, cats. Yes, of course. Literally everything. Everything. Like, you know, some people have an allergy to fucking ragweed or whatever the fuck it is. Dogs, cats. Yes, of course. Literally everything. Everything.

My friend Brian, his mom, if she has one of those Brazil nuts, dead. One nut will kill her like a bullet. Don't look up what they used to call those in the 30s. Okay. Yeah. Whoever listened to this, don't Google this. I would normally say, yeah, definitely Google it. But since you don't want me to Google it, I'm not going to Google it.

But so he's 100% right. But here's the thing. It's like there's an argument for covering all the bases. And this is not being discussed. My problem that I'm having with the narrative is not that vaccines aren't effective, because they definitely are effective. They definitely seem to keep people from getting as sick. They definitely impart some protection. I think they're really important for older people.

I think they make a big difference. And peace of mind. Yes. That is useful for a lot of people. That's something that shouldn't be swept under the rug. A hundred percent, because anxiety can exacerbate your immune system and fuck it all up. Yes, of course. But here's the thing.

This is only one part of this giant puzzle. And my confusion on this, I understand where it's coming from, but my frustration is that it's really obvious that other things can be done to enhance

our immune systems, and there's no promotion of that. Whether it's a change immune systems, and there's no promotion of that. Whether it's a change in diet, whether it's exercise, whether it's meditation, there's a lot of things that you can do to enhance your immune system, and none of those are being discussed. The only thing that's being discussed is things that are capable of generating money. That's it. I don't think it's about money.

I think it's about power, and I don't understand. But why would you have power if you don't have money? Do you not watch Scarface, motherfucker? I haven't. Tell him, Jamie. First you get the money. I think it's about power. But why would you have power if you don't have money? Do you not watch Scarface, motherfucker? Tell him, Jamie. First you get the money. Then you get the sugar. See? It's Scarface, bro. It's not a documentary.

What? Unlike The Matrix. It's a Brian De Palma movie written by Oliver Stone. If I don't understand how you can say these aren't bad people when they are trying to internationally create a society where if you do not get this vaccine, which in many cases, like you're like you're a MMA guy, have deleterious consequences. These people are going to be fired and can't go to a supermarket. That is not something there's room for nuance in this. And they're trying to make it as if it's a black and white issue, which it is clearly not, as with anything medical.

I think you're right in that respect. That's all I'm saying. I think it's all about your intent. And I think most of these people, their intent is not to hurt people. Their intent is to control. I don't think that's true. I think control is a natural consequence in this instance of people that truly believe they're trying to do the right thing. And they're attached to a machine that wants control. Ultimately.

It's not a machine. Someone's running that machine. It's not spontaneous. But it's like a corporation, isn't it? Sure. There's a diffusion of responsibility. But someone's setting the guidelines and someone's setting the protocol. Someone's setting the narrative.

And it's probably your boy Jeff Zucker. I don't know. Who is it if it's not him? They believe it. This is the thing, man. You know, I remember when I was on sitcom and people would talk about the people that were making these shows. I remember this is like pre-internet conspiracy theory. The people that are making this show, the reason they call it programming, they're programming America.

But then I meet all the people who make these shows and what they're trying to do is make things that they would watch. It's a natural consequence of that that by doing that, you can comfort people with narratives that are really familiar, like the $6 million man always wins.

CNN is not about comforting people. CNN is about getting people worked up. You're right, but listen to me here. And the other networks do. I don't want to single them out here in this regard. They create this stuff thinking this is what you're supposed to create. I think this is where we're getting confused. We think of it as like all these people that you went to college with and hung out with when you're young and now they work for CNN, they're evil. That's not what's going on. That's exactly what's going on. They go to college as normal kids, and then they leave as evil robots who are trying to destroy this country. Okay, but let me ask you this.

If they're a good person in college, what happens, what is going on that sucks someone into a situation? Let's not call it CNN. Let's call it E&N, the evil news network. Sure. If you go to evil news network and you start off as a good person like a Michael Malice, what turns you into an evil person? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Good and evil I rewarded if you are

submissive and repetitive and are going to promulgate that philosophy once you leave the university system. In the same way that everyone, if you go to McDonald's in California, you go to McDonald's in Massachusetts, we go to McDonald's in Florida, it's going to be the same food. That's not a conspiracy. That's an organization that is spreading forth, in this case, its product, which is burgers. The university system are of one mind in spreading an ideology. And that's why all those college graduates who end up at CNN, who end up at MSNBC, New York Times, or in Hollywood, they're going to have the same worldview. And you're going to have this perception of unanimity. It's not a conspiracy. They're all just trained at the same places to believe certain things. And they were punished severely for not believing those things. I agree with most of what you're saying. But do you think that there's an overlord?

How do you think the- No, it's decentralized. It's completely decentralized. What happened is over 100 years ago, people like Richard Eli, who started the American Economic Association, I talked about this in an old book of mine that you write. Basically, his idea is we need to introduce the idea of a mixed economy into economics. This whole classical liberal thing isn't working for us. This is like 1910s, 1900s. As a result of that, there's an understanding. They talk about the university about creating the next generation of leaders. What that means, it's an Orwellian way of saying, we're training people who are going to be the overclass, who are going to rule and manipulate the country for good reasons. And if you're a member of the overclass, you have stature,

you have status. It's important for you to be perceived as a good, honest person, but I'm still a good, honest person above the rest of you. And when the rest of you start criticizing me and start being defiant, you're confused because you were trained to think you are in a position to rule over them and lead over them. So is it a natural state where groups lead over other groups? Yes. Right? It seems like if you looked at the human race objectively, if you didn't attach yourself to culture, you looked at it objectively. How many of these groups of humans form into this organization where one person rules with fear and force?

It's almost never because he's got to have a bunch of people around him. Right. But one person is usually the top. Sure. There is a pyramid structure. Sure. There's definitely a group of people around it. But they all turn out like that.

Like none of them turn out to be like, let's all have no boss and everybody just be nice to each other and we don't need cops. We don't, fire people will be people that are standing by for emergencies, things like EMTs.

This is my whole anarchist worldview. I understand this. This is why I want to talk to you about this. Because if we could assure like, look, here's a perfect example. If you, me, and Jamie lived on an island, we wouldn't need cops. Correct. So, Lord of the Flies is one of the

most fucked up books in history. Yeah. Because the premise of Lord of the Flies, which we're all taught in high school, it's still assigned reading, is if you had a bunch of kids stuck in a desert island, they'd start killing each other and be savages and it'd be violent, right? Because the idea, the Hobbesian idea is civilization is very thin underneath that human beings are basically violent. That's not true. Human beings are basically animals, but we're benevolent social animals. And in fact, we don't even have to guess because there was a real

story. A bunch of kids did get shipwrecked on an island together. They were lived together for 18 months and they got along so well. And in fact, when one kid broke his leg, they didn't crush his skull in. They made him, they set his leg, they gave him a throne, they treat him like a king. And when they found these kids, they were all thriving and getting along well together. So this is a very big lie. The reason Survivor, that show, the reason that people have to fight because they have to vote each other off. But if you watch the show, the first thing is let's put together a tent to live in.

Let's gather food. Everyone works together very well. And the threat of violence is not really there. It's a complete myth. But I absolutely see what you're saying. But I think I would be remiss if I didn't point out that people vary widely. A hundred percent. And you have to worry about the murderers and rapists.

You get the wrong guy on an island and then you have a slaughter fest and people start cannibalizing people. All it would take is the wrong guy to kill one of the people and to keep everybody in fear. And then everybody would plot to kill that guy and he would try to kill you when you're sleeping. And then the next thing you know, it's a fucking, it's a terrible story. Or you could have Lord of the Flies turned out the way you're saying, where the kids get together and they help each other and the kid breaks his leg and everybody comes together. That's possible too.

Sure. But it depends on the humans. No. There's people that you can't, you're not going to fix in a fucking traumatic danger situation. Like there's sociopaths and crazy fucks out there and ex-cons. You're not going to fix them. They're politicians. That's the political class.

I'm not joking. But humans, but any human. Like you could, like if you get a thousand humans. Yeah. One of them is going to be out of his fucking mind. Correct. And if you were on a boat with that guy. Right.

And that boat gets shipwrecked, and then you realize that no one is in charge, and that motherfucker could just run shit and tell you that he eats all the coconuts, and you got to fight him, and he's bigger than you, and you're like, fuck. But that is how, that's how it goes down. It's not always the guy gets his leg broke and everybody lives together. Human beings vary wildly. Yeah, but you're describing politics.

You're describing politicians. Basically, they're that guy who convinces everyone else to stop cooperating and stop being benevolent and to think of each other tribally and to turn one group against another. And they're aided and abetted by this

by people in the corporate press who want us to have a binary worldview that you're either for vaccines or you're for Trump. Yeah. Well, I think it's more convenient to argue against a binary worldview. Yes, of course, because all I have to do is disprove the other and therefore by default, I win. Yeah. And it ignores nuance and ignores what it means to be a person. But that's all these people in the corporate press, they all ignore nuance. The whole point of it is everyone has to get the vaccine,

even children. And if you have any questioning about this, like what about this MMA guy, the circumstances, well, you're an anti-vaxxer. It's a lie. It's a weird one too, right? Because it's one where you're propping up these corporations that you had been deeming evil forever.

Like if people, like there's no judgment call, just an analysis of the way human beings look at pharmaceutical companies. For decades, if you talked about pharmaceutical companies like sociopaths and that all they want to do is like sell these drugs regardless of the kill people, people would agree with you. Yeah, it's terrible. It's terrible. Those same people now put all their trust. joe don't you get it a corporate

journalist is the same as a tobacco executive they're selling a deadly product and the battle is won when the average american regards them as the same and that's what they're doing the same thing that that diffusion of responsibility that we talked about you have a big corporate so corporations there was a there was an article that was written. I'm trying to remember who wrote it. It was a while ago. And it was saying corporations are psychopaths. Yeah, sociopaths.

Sociopaths, yeah. And then they laid out what a sociopath is and what a corporation is. And there's a thing where it's not a person anymore, but it has all this power. It seems to be like it's always going to try to get ahead. And if things are always going to try to get ahead and they're not going to take into consideration

the way it makes people feel, because you're not thinking about feeling anymore when you deal with numbers, right? So you have a corporation that's battling other corporations. What are you battling for? Market share, stock prices. There's numbers. Like, numbers are not feelings,

but we operate on feelings. So if we're a part of a corporation, then we're a part of a thing that doesn't take into consideration what it means to be us, to be feeling. But this has historically been the strongest aspect of the left,

which is skepticism of corporate America and understanding that giant corporations do not care about mom and pop or you, that they are there to get money and that they have no choice because they have a duty to their shareholders to make as much profit as possible. And this whole corporate responsibility is often a good veneer for this. But now it's like we have to be on our knees blowing Pfizer because they're saving us all. And people on the left were saying this with a straight face. because they're saving us all.

And people on the left were saying this with a straight face. Well, it's crazy because what it is, is it's great evidence that this idea of parties is bullshit. Yes. And that human beings, we operate on this really wide range. It's a giant spectrum. And we should have agreements of how things go and what's important and what's not important. And we should talk about these things but we have to recognize first and

foremost that we're instinctively tribal. It's a part of our DNA and it's fucking us up. Because we have this need to, if you have anxiety, if you have a problem, we have this need where there's another person out there who is your enemy and you think about them

and whether you call them a Republican or whether you call them libertarians, those people are your enemy. And if you're freaking out all the time thinking of this other group of humans that probably shares way more in common with you than they don't. When it really gets down to politics, what does everybody really care about in life? They care about their loved ones. They care about finances. They want to make sure we don't go to war. They want to make sure that soldiers are protected and that the streets are safe.

I don't think they want soldiers to be protected. Then why do they send them in harm's way? I mean, they want them to be okay, even if they send them in harm's way. I don't think they care at all. You don't think who cares at all? Like the Liz Cheneys? I think they're detached from it.

I think you have a good point. I think Liz Cheney wants you to send her her body parts because that gets her off. Well, they definitely can justify, right? Of course. They find a way to justify military actions that are not well thought out and good people die. Yeah. And bad people die. I don't want bad people to die either. I think a lot of folks die under false premises. Yes. False pretenses. Yes. That was the thing that keeps getting brought up. There's a book called The Nurture Assumption, and she makes the point in that book that humans define themselves by opposition.

So if you have a bunch of kids and a bunch of grownups, the kids will perceive themselves as kids. But once the grownups leave, it divides into boys and girls because we find ourselves who I am is I'm not that. Right. That makes sense. girls because we find ourselves who I am is I'm not that. Right. That makes sense. And then, you know, look, there's people that will form into groups like Mac versus PC and they'll shit all over.

You shit all over me because I had an Android last time I was on here. I will continue to do that even though I also have an Android. I have a Samsung Galaxy. I got an iPhone for my birthday in July. I still haven't switched and I apologize to Jess I um listen I like them both

but I like fucking with people and I like when people get up I hate fucking with people I know you do it's the worst you're so against that I hate it

it's my worst thing there's no greater troll that's ever lived than you oh Andy Kaufman I feel like you're the best Andy Kaufman is better than me I think you might be a little funnier than Andy

holy shit this is the this is literally the biggest compliment I've ever gotten in my life I'm an Andy Kaufman? I feel like you're the best. Andy Kaufman is better than me. Yeah, I think you might be a little funnier than Andy. Holy shit. This is literally the biggest compliment I've ever gotten in my life. I'm an Andy Kaufman fan and everything, but I- I have a signed picture of him, and I haven't hung it out in my house yet, but I'm going to. You have a lot of larger body of work to draw from. He died very young, of course. He also didn't have the internet. If Andy Kaufman had the internet, oh my God.

Could you imagine his podcast? Oh, God. It'd be crazy. He'd probably be like reading F. Scott Fitzgerald. You know what it'd be crazy you'd probably be like reading f scott fitzgerald you know what'd be like it'd be like norms norm mcdonald's i you know andy coffin might have done something really weird you know do you know like do you remember how stephen wright was writing a book one tweet at a time no i oh he did yeah yeah he's hilarious um see if that i don't know what he ever did with that. I mean, it's like, it's exhausting to try to remember what you just read, you know, 12 hours ago from this.

Well, it's like those old comic strips, like Dick Tracy takes six months to fight Flat Top, and it's like, you guys have been in this car since January, it's July. But he wrote a book, I think it was one tweet at a time. You know, it was like a few sentences, you know, 140 characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm pretty sure it was a whole book. Which is like, Jesus, imagine you're just so lazy and you only write 140 characters a day.

Well, I only write a page a day when I'm writing. It's not even that he's lazy, it's just it was a fun idea for him. He had that joke about like, I was reading this great murder mystery called The Dictionary, turns out the zebra did it. Like that is fucking brilliant. You know, the problem with those guys is,

from a writing perspective, they're all non-sequiturs. So it's so hard to put together your bits and it's so hard to know what you said already. Yeah, yeah. Like, if you do three shows a night, which is what we used to do, we used to do, like, Saturday night, three shows a night. If you did three shows a night,

by the time you get to that third show, you're like, what show is this? What have I said already? Do you know who the best of that is, is Neil Hamburger who's my favorite community neil hamburg is brilliant i i absolutely what a character yeah he's like a tony clifton figure basically yeah he opened up for louis once at the improv i got a chance to watch him no they loved it okay they loved him it was really good he was on he was on that night but the the character is so preposterous oh yeah over the top asshole i saw him in la once at the echo or the satellite where i forgot what it's called

and ahead of me on the table were a couple on a date and i see i see the girl was basic as fuck turned to her date she goes what is this and like that was the great wait this is the best deal hamburger moment so he was opening for tenacious D in Ireland or England, right? Sorry if I confused the two. They didn't know who he was. They're booing the fuck out of him. And he goes, all right, all right. Do you guys want to see Tenacious D?

Do you guys want to hear your heroes of mine, Tenacious D? Okay, if I do this next joke and you don't boo me, I'll bring out Tenacious D. And he goes, what did Santa Claus get Paris Hilton for her birthday for Christmas well he raped her so like two people laugh hold on and then he goes

oh thanks for that reaction I guess I'll do an encore and he stayed there for another 10 minutes is this it? holy shit Holy shit Yeah They're all saying off off off Wow That's the worst way to do comedy by the way People standing up

I realized that when I went to see Doug Stanhope once Who's a good friend of mine I'd never seen a show where I was in the audience standing up. I was like, oh my god, this is terrible. I was like, I'll never have a show like this again. Because after a while, your back hurts, your fucking neck. You're looking around. Your feet were hurting. It's all concrete.

Shout out to the waitresses out there. All walking around on fucking concrete all day. Trying to get elbow way their way through people. Dude, some of those gals, when I watch them at the comedy store, I'm like, the fucking poise to carry a tray of drinks and walk through drunks, a maze of stumbling drunks, and the sheer number that are successful versus, like, crashes. Like, that's amazing. So have you talked to Chappelle about all the shit he got for that last special? Yeah, a little bit.

We've texted back and forth. You know, he's just riding out the storm. He's not a homophobic or transphobic person. He makes fun of himself. There's a bit in that special about him getting molested and jerking

off in a man's face. I mean, this is, or coming in a man's face. It's fun. It's just making jokes. That doesn't mean hate. This is the problem with today. If you don't have an enemy, you make an enemy.

And this is a real problem with people. We would look for things. Like if there's people that really hated you and they were the enemy, people that just joked around about stuff wouldn't be thought of as the enemy. It's like, and as the level of people truly hate you drops, you start looking for equilibrium in what you're upset about. And so now you're more upset about jokes. Now silence is violence. And now, you know, you can't just be this. You have to be that.

And it becomes this, like, weird control level where people start to conf that. And it becomes this weird control level where people start to conflate. When you start equating jokes with real feelings, they're not the same thing. I don't think that's what it is. I think they're trying to put different individuals or groups on a pedestal and kind of make them sacred. And when

you have someone comes along and knocks them off that pedestal, all of a sudden, you're trying to undo what I'm trying to do, which is to make this person holy. And now you are my enemy because your agenda is the opposite of mine. Fully agree. I was getting too there. Okay. No, it's okay.

You're right, though, 100%. But it's these ideas that you can't make fun of are dangerous. They're not good for anybody. They're not good for the people to hold those ideas, whether it's about who you are or what you do. The idea that no fun can be had about any of this is crazy because the idea is that then

all fun is done maliciously and out of hate. And we know as friends that is just not true. All my fun is malicious. Well, it's also funny. It also is funny. If you and I were fucking with each other

and we're saying ridiculous shit to each other, we would both be smiling while we did it. This is what roast battle's all about. My friend Brian Moses. This is what a lot of what Kill Tony's about. Like, it's fun. There's fun in making fun of each other. And we have to accept that.

And then I need to know your real feelings about gay people. Your real feelings about gay people. Your real feelings about trans people. Your real feelings about all religions and all races and all ethnicities. But we gotta be able to joke around about each other. And if you get down to Dave Chappelle's real feelings, he's a lovely

person. He's one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. He loves everybody. He's not a hateful soul. He's beyond jealous. He's just a guy who loves this art form called stand-up comedy, and he tries to do his best navigating through this world of talking shit about things and saying outrageous things that get huge laughs or placating really sensitive groups that feel like they're in a protected class and then the other people that pile on to that that also feel like this is a

protected class and they equate any jokes with hate and this is where they're wrong like i'm telling you that dave chappelle does not hate anyone or anything. He's not that person. His jokes are just that. They're just jokes. And if you really pay attention to what he's saying, whether you agree with him or not in some of his jokes, like whether or not they're funny, just really pay attention to the overall message. It is in no way transphobic. It's just not. But this is a way for low status people to try to compete with Dave and try to get on his level. Because if I'm some kind of rando journalist and I take down Dave Chappelle or Joe Rogan or somebody else, this elevates my status in my rank and takes him down a peg.

And that's useful for me from an evolutionary point of view. You're absolutely right. It can't be denied. If you're a person and you're looking up at a guy like Dave Chappelle, he's at the highest of high levels. Right. You can't be denied. If you're a person and you're looking up at a guy like Dave Chappelle, he's at the highest of high levels. Right. You have to also equate that in anything you think about when you think about a guy like Dave Chappelle. But then you also have to realize that the problem is in listening to everybody,

you're going to get a certain group of people that want people to not be able to work anymore. They want to stop you. They want to pull things down. They want to change what's available. You don't have to like it. Here's the thing about Dave Chappelle. Look, he's clearly the most popular comedian on planet Earth.

He's number one. He's clearly one of the greatest comedians that's ever lived. Clearly. So, obviously a lot of fucking people like him. And what you want is people to not have access to him. Right. When you have options, you don't have to like it, but if you want Netflix to take it down and you say it's hateful,

this is an incorrect way to do this. If you want to make your own special about what was wrong with Dave Chappelle's special. Or go on YouTube with your monologue like Keith Aldrin. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Go for it. And good luck to you. And maybe you'll have a point that that person that you're criticizing could take into consideration and go, maybe I could do better at this. Because if something does bother you,

if someone says something ridiculous about you and it doesn't make any sense, it doesn't have any effect on you. The things that bother people is things that are at least slightly accurate. But I think this just kind of speaks to what we're talking about earlier, how they're trying to have there be, in the same way how intentionally or not, it's trying to push everyone to be an Amazon or a Walmart customer. They are trying to have everyone only consume media through pre-approved sources.

Right. That's a problem. If you're not reading the New York Times or CNN or the Wall Street or the Washington Post or whatever, that means you're doing something wrong. So this is what they're doing, that process of elimination, by trying to funnel people into certain outlets that they themselves can control. And that creates uniformity and cohesion among the population I think the problem is he created journalistic version of the Streisand effect I think that's the problem that's encouraging people to watch Chappelle yeah it's encouraging for sure that specials giant yeah yeah and all the controversy has only been

good and then when the controversy is bullshit because it's not like he's Howard Stern back in the day what Well, it's not only that. What he's saying in this, he's telling a story about a real person that he was close with that died, that became friends with him through comedy. There's a whole story to it. I don't want to give it up because I think you should watch the special. I toured with Dave. We did a lot of shows together.

This is his story that he had about this person that he loved that died. It's not a transphobic story, but there's jokes in there. And in those jokes, he's poking fun at everything, including himself. I mean, this is a part of his act. It's part of any comic's act. There's a lot of it that's just designed to be funny while he's telling a story and it's one of the things

that Dave does so well he's like he tells these stories and he figures out a way to get his point across while being really funny but when you're gonna be really funny

you're gonna make fun of yourself you're gonna make fun of other people you're gonna make fun of everything but that doesn't equal hate and that's not how men demonstrate camaraderie

like coming from Brooklyn you have the Jewish guy you have the Italian guy you have the the Italian guy, you have the Puerto Rican guy, you have the black guy. Everyone's busting each other's chops. And that's how you symbolize that you're comfortable with each other. I'm safe with you by saying things that would get me in trouble in other contexts. And I trust you enough to know that you're not going to use that in a bad way, that we're all bros here. Dude, I had a podcast the other day with Tony Hinchcliffe and Brian Redband. I have to meet Tony.

Oh, you've never met Tony? I've never met Tony. Tomorrow night, what are you doing? I guess I'm hanging out with Tony. Yeah, we'll go to Vulcan Gas Company.

We're working together tomorrow night. Okay, perfect. The two biggest bitches in Austin can be in Tony. He'll fight you. So, the Kill Tony thing

is like, Tony Hinchcliffe and David Lucas have been friends forever. David Lucas is this hilarious up and coming comic. And every time David Lucas does, he does like one minute of new comedy every week on Kill Tony. So he goes up. He does stand up. And then Tony and him have this back and forth where they shit on each other. Yeah, yeah.

And it's fucking magic. Because when Dave shits on Tony, Tony's laughing hard. Of course. When Tony shits on Dave other. Yeah, yeah. And it's fucking magic because when Dave shits on Tony, Tony's laughing hard. Of course. When Tony shits on Dave, Dave's laughing hard. But that is, in a lot of people's eyes,

hate. That's hate speech. This is what's wrong with this criticism of Dave Chappelle. Scott Adams made that point that he thinks like, there was a 25% of the population has no sense of humor.

When I did Lex's 200th episode, we introed the episode with me dressed like him and I did my Lex Friedman impression. But that's me making fun of him, but it was such a brotherly embrace. Yeah, yeah. I mean, be careful of people who won't laugh at themselves. Yeah, or tell you that's not funny.

Laughter is not a thought, it's a reaction. Or not tell you about failure. Yeah. That's like friends that Or not tell you about failure. Yeah. That's like friends that have never had their heart broken, friends that have never failed, where they just like literally wanted to just jump off a bridge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All those.

That's important. I need to know that you're going through the same weird experience that I am. Dude, I just had like the most traumatic experience. And this is going to be such making me the butt of a joke. And I don't fucking care. I'll tell it. Okay. I just moved like the most traumatic experience and this is going to be such making me the butt of a joke and I don't fucking care. I'll tell it. Okay. I just moved to Austin. I paid for the exclusive truck because I have a lot of shit.

Exclusive truck? Meaning sometimes they have the truck where they like move the boxes from one truck to another like in Maryland. So sometimes things get lost. I'm like, I want you to drive straight from New York to Austin. One truck. Yeah, one truck. Okay, got it. As I've told you on the first time I was on this show many years ago, I

have a denim collection, okay? 30 pairs, one for every day of the week, every other month. I'm going through all the boxes. I have 100 boxes, all my shit. The denim's gone. And then I'm like, the thing is, when you lose something that means a lot to you, even though it's just sentimental,

and the thing is, with raw denim, it takes years to break them in and so on and so forth. There might be an Excel sheet involved that I'm not going to talk about. But the thing is when they've taken that, you have to wonder what else have I missing? So every day when I was unpacking these boxes, I was like, what? And I'm not going to remember what's gone

because it's like, I have what I have, but I don't remember what was left in Brooklyn. And last week I was opening up this wardrobe box, which was as tall as me, seven eighths empty. And under some frames was all my denim. It was like pulling a sofa out of a wallet. And I almost cried. But it was so stressful for that month of like waking up every morning and just dreading unpacking. You want to talk about first world problems.

That is the first world problem. A dude who talks for a living can't find his broken in pants. Yeah. And I found them. There's guys out there digging into the side of a mountain in the Congo with a stick to try to get the minerals to use to make your iPhone. And people are listening to that on that iPhone to you talking about you couldn't find your pants. I know.

I only had one pair. The one I brought on my flight. But I found them. So it worked out. Regular pants are bullshit. They really are. You need to get yourself some stretchy jeans. Stretchy?

Well, I have a few stretchy pairs. Why are you laughing? No, no. If he's got a denim collection, his reaction to- Have you not have- I have some stretch- You don't have like Revtown jeans You have any of those

The people made Under Armour they made these jeans I could head kick you in this That's a cool story but I've got These are made with Japanese Persimmon tannin I don't want anything from another country I want things from America God damn it did you know that

Canvas is what the original- Yeah, duck jeans. No, the original jeans were made out of hemp. That's what they used to make durable clothes out of. But they still make canvas jeans now. It's like an old-timey hipster thing. Canvas was made with hemp. That's why canvas comes from the cannabis plant.

Mona Lisa was literally painted on hemp. Oh, I did that? I didn't know. Yeah. Hemp was responsible for most paper before they figured out how to do the... When they figured out how to make paper out of regular trees, it's so shitty in comparison.

You ever have a piece of hemp paper? No. Oh, my God. It's crazy. Really? It's the weirdest thing ever. It's like, we're used to this. We're used to, like like a child could rip it.

Hemp paper is not rippable. I mean, it's rippable. Oh, it's almost like a fabric? It's difficult. Okay. It's like, whoa. Like a t-shirt or something? It confuses you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like, I don't know what, let's Google this. Well, it's also kind of like- How much stronger is hemp paper than regular wood pulp paper? Well, it's also kind of like money, right? You can put money through the wash and it doesn't get ruined. What is that made out of? I like money, right? You can put money through the wash and it doesn't get ruined. What is that made out of? I don't know,

but if you put paper through the wash, it gets destroyed, obviously. What the fuck is money? I don't know if we're allowed to know. Isn't it crazy that someone somewhere has the ability to make a thing, printed thing. Talk about a real problem in the design of

your currency. All you have to do is have a machine that can make that. Hold on a second. Federal 25% linen, 75% cotton for the Federal Reserve notes. Oh, linen. I guess the linen makes it more durable. Currency paper is

tiny red and blue synthetic fibers of various lengths and evenly distributed throughout the paper. It would take 4,000 double folds forwards and backwards to tear a banknote. Wow, 4,000. So it's really durable, right? What's to stop someone from making that? Well, that's the big one. That's what North Korea does. They make American money? Yeah, there's a big... Because there are these machines called super... I forget what they're called. They're made in Switzerland to print American money. And apparently North Korea, there's some dispute whether they have this, are like the world's best at making counterfeit U.S. dollars because they're making real U.S. dollars on the machines that we use.

That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was a thing. North Korea's fucking us by making more of our own money. Well, I mean, not as much as we're making. I mean, the Federal Reserve's been printing that shit. The inflation, which is a tax on poor people is through the roof Well, clearly you don't understand that the government loves you and they're just trying to make everything run smooth. Yeah, you fucking communist Wow

Look at that This is what they're made how North Korea made the perfect counterfeit $100 bill Well your book dear reader Yeah is a fucking amazing insight into North Korea. And, you know, when it came out and you and I first talked, I didn't know. I just knew it was fucked up. I didn't know the extent of it. Between talking to you and Yomi Park, I can't believe that this isn't a bit that more people don't understand that this is how like when people worry about

where the state of any country is going they always assume well we're good people things aren't going to get bad okay but you got to realize that we're just human beings if you're not a racist you agree that all human beings are essentially we vary in different ways and sizes and but we're just all human beings. There's a nature that's universal. Yeah, and the potential is universal. But if there is a group of people in 2021 that are living like the people are living in North Korea that are under the grip of that government,

that's possible anywhere. With the wrong things, with the wrong set of circumstances, the wrong events taking place, the wrong people of circumstances the wrong events taking place the wrong people get into power just like you could get shipwrecked with the wrong person and wind up in a fucking horror movie or you can get shipwrecked with the right people and wind up in a beautiful movie well that's why i went there because you know being born in the soviet union by that time the soviet union was nowhere near as bad as i had been back in the day but this was my only chance to see

what my family could have gone through you know and and they have concentration camps like being jewish i could have been in a camp in eastern europe very easily so to see what it was like for my family in a parallel universe you know is very eye-opening um and i still think about every day man when you when you see and this is not i i hesitate even bringing this up because i don't want to get taken out of context. But our positions, when it comes to like just ideas about mandates and vaccines and how we mask or no mask, just these weird sort of like tribal issues, these things that happen with people. When we start looking at each other as the other, as someone who's less than, when we have power over the other, when we want to control the situation because we're the good people and we want to do it by any means necessary, there's a slope. The reason why the founding fathers wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights the way they did is they're like, okay, there's some patterns that we need to mitigate.

Some real patterns of human behavior. And we got to make sure, first of all, you can say whatever the fuck you want. Cause I can't know, I can't know who's right unless both people talk. If two people talk and, and, and I get to figure it out and we get to debate back and forth.

And if we're honest about it, we can figure out who's right. But if you can say that person can't talk because I'm right now, I'm in the dark. Yeah, I got in trouble for this tweet. I didn't get ratioed because I said, if you replace the word coronavirus with Jews, all of a sudden, the behavior of the 1930s German population becomes eerily similar. And what I meant by that is we all wring our hands about how the Holocaust happened. How did the Germans go from a normal people to within four years being like comfortable with or turn their blind eye to genocide?

And what we're seeing with the Corona and we got a long ways to go before it's not to Germany. Let me be clear. I'm not trying to get everyone to freak out, but how eager people are to be informants. After Germany reunified, they opened up the Stasi files. The Stasi were their secret police it was the biggest fail in society

other than I think perhaps North Korea that the world had ever seen and you could find out who spied on you and who turned you in and what they found out it wasn't that like you know they got to your wife and we got the wife to snitch on Joe

people were eager to snitch on their neighbors because they felt that they were doing the right thing and it gave them a sense of power and a sense of status it's probably fun too it's a little adrenaline rush making that phone call i mean look and then you see the cops show up to that person's house i made this happen i have power look at that commie yeah um take him away protect my children right so when you see we talk about beings, a lot of people are very eager to drop that dime and pick up that phone call because then they would turn in on Anne Frank

and then they'd boast about it on social media. For sure. Yeah, you're definitely right. It's too easy. That's part of the problem. It's too easy. I think there's like a state that we need to reach as an organism, as a human organism. There's a state we need to reach physically where we feel like we're in homeostasis, where everything's balanced out. And so we have this compounding anxiety from not achieving that state physically that piles into the way we look at it, like mentally, the way we view the world, the way we think

about things that gets more anxiety ridden because you haven't taken care of the needs of the body. So it's not balanced. Well, there's also an enormous psychological incentive to be part of the in-group because the very least, like if we're going down, we're all going down together, part of the in-group. Yes. Because at the very least, if we're going down, we're all going down together. I'm part of the in-group. The numbers are in my favor. So I might as well, I can compete on the metric of obedience.

If I have nothing to offer, at least I can follow orders and be a good person. And shout it out so other people agree with me. Yes. And all the other cowards go, yeah, yeah, let's get him. Yes. Doesn't have a mask. Yeah. So H.L. Mencken said the average man does not want to be free.

He merely wants to be safe, and he absolutely nailed it. I feel like we should pause all science until we can figure out if masks work. I love it. We got to stop the science until we figure out what's going on. Stop all your experiments, all you scientists. Please tell me if masks work because I don't understand both sides. I don't understand how it doesn't work a little. If you have a fucking thing across your face and you're breathing into it, that means it's got to hit some shit before it goes out into the world.

There's something. I know there's little particles, but don't some of them get stuck in the cotton? What's the number? Is the number like it only protects you by 10%? Just tell me the fucking truth. Tell me what's going on. Get some sick people. Get them coughing.

Put a fucking thing out there to catch the sickness. But they do. They do that with the heat vision cameras when they show them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to pay people who have COVID to put a fucking mask on and cough into a bag. I want to know what's coming out of there. Cough into another person. No, no, no, no.

You should have like a thing that catches how much COVID's coming out. Tell me how these fucking things work. Because what if it's zero? Or what if it's 100%? What if, like, if you're near a person, if we realize that cotton doesn't work but this shit you know you make hemp hemp masks or whatever the fuck it is like this one works 100% like it stopped well then you'd be an asshole if you didn't wear a mask

sure but right now we're like does it work well you're not gonna be an asshole we don't know if it works but we know how to send photos through the sky we know we know how to take a video and send it to fucking New Zealand through the sky? The boxes say that the masks don't work.

It has a warning label that this mask is not effective against COVID. The N95 masks are the ones that work, and when this first started happening, Wait a minute, what boxes are you getting that say they don't work against COVID? I'm not getting any boxes that say that. Yeah, the boxes on the regular masks say this is not effective. I get my shit from Amazon. They just come in little plastic baggies. This is another meme where they say, Karen, look at the read the box.

If you look that up, it's just- It says it doesn't work for COVID? Yes. Now, that could be a cover your ass thing that they legally have to say this. But it is weird that you can wear them in a place where you have to wear a mask. Yes. You can kind of wear a bandana if you're an asshole and you want to go get brunch. Do you want to be a real asshole?

Do you want to be a real asshole? Do you want to be a real asshole? There's a website called minimallycompliantmask.com, which I used to wear to the gym because it looks like you're wearing a mask, but you're not wearing a mask. It's just cheesecloth. Let me see what that looks like. Minimallycompliant.com. Sure. Minimally compliant mask. Jamie will get it.

Jamie will get it. This is what it looks like. Oh, you got it with you. Can I feel that? Of course. Oh, that feels like a mask. That's not a mask? It's, it's,. Oh, you got it with you. Can I feel that? Of course. That feels like a mask. That's not a mask. You can breathe perfectly through it.

I would stick my face over it. What does it say about tyranny? Mask for people who like oxygen and hate tyranny. Yeah. It's true. That's what's crazy. What's crazy is we're in this place where saying something like that sounds nuts, but it is actually true. And it's not true because it's evil to wear a mask it's true because when you let people control people that

shit is addictive that shit is it shit is very humans are status-oriented animals and not power for you why would i see that power no it would never happen here's the thing you have to take it that's why usurpers existed whether by design not, a lot of very evil people are getting a lot of useful information about how much a population is going to put up with. You're 100% right. It's not even a question. Not even a question. And when you're a politician and you're trying to save a population for something that's largely out of your control, you have to keep doubling down. Because you can't just say, well, I'm powerless against this because i'm going to get

voted out because the next asshole is going to say i'm going to fix this we have a problem when we have these primal instincts in these human reward patterns that existed to make us survive against invasions of foreign mercenaries and Barbarians and shit and these things are like Fully ingrained and what it means to be a human being and we apply them when they don't exist We start applying them to other people that are like vary from us slightly Like there's people on the left that are attacking people that are in the center You know they agree like like if you had a like a chart of things that people in the center agree with and people on The left agree with it's's like, God, you're going to get really close.

There's a huge percentage of the population that thinks that if we decrease the size of our military, China is going to invade us. Like invade – not like places where we have an interest, but invade America. And it's like how would that even be possible? Even if our military was half the size, that we wouldn't see it coming? It's nonsensical. But it used to be Russia. Now it's China. You know, China just launched.

China's a little more interesting than Russia because they have a far greater economic power than Russia ever had. What China has is this unusual integration with capitalism and communism that's never existed before on mass scale like this in it also in the world of the internet like it's a wild thing that they're able to do but what china just recently launched they found out that they launched a supersonic weapon yeah it's a southern drudge yeah that's a low orbit they said it's a southern drudge, yeah. That's a low orbit. They said it's a spacecraft. Whoa. Yeah, they're saying it's not a missile. Holy shit.

What does that mean? I don't know. Okay. I don't know what that means. It's a super fast spacecraft. That's what it is. I mean, can you imagine a spacecraft that moves like a missile? A supersonic missile.

But it's a spacecraft. And it's a, they, whatever it was, it did low orbit speeds at phenomenal, phenomenal, or low orbit launches at phenomenal speeds. Where it shook the people that are, like, that examine military capabilities. They didn't understand this. They didn't see it coming.

They're like, holy shit. So they've obviously been developing something. Their position is like, if you read anything about China's view or you talk to people about China, the way they view the world, it's so unique that their business and their government is completely intertwined.

Yeah. Like some unstoppable hive of communism and capitalism all interwoven together where one feeds off another. Yeah. And they have immense power because of that. It's really, it's like if you were just looking at it as an organism, there's no consequences. You'd be like, whoa, that's fascinating. But there's also immense costs. Immense costs. It's not easy to maintain this kind of unnatural structure over a population that

large and that the geographically disparate disparate also that kind of world discourages creativity of course discourages like freedom and like you don't get a janice joplin in china right you know you need freedom freedom for a certain amount of art and a certain amount of innovation. You need freedom. So what they do is they just copy shit. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which is wild.

It's hilarious. Because they get the benefit of that, and then they grow bigger and stronger. Did you see that Sager and Crystal had a video that they put up about this company that they, what did they make over there? They made something in China. Look at his face. They make a lot of things.

Soy sauce? No, it was something to do with AI. It was some sort of component of these super advanced computer systems. And they went into business with China and they had this deal and all of a sudden they tried to remove the Chinese guy from the company. They're like,

hey, we got to separate from you guys. What are you doing with our intellectual property? And then they cut off communication and China just reopens this company because they bought like 51% of the company and they just take their internet ideas, like whatever their thing about AI was, whatever they actually designed there and then they open it up in China

under a different name. They just change the name like we own it. So Sager did a whole piece on it calling the heist of the century. It is fucking fascinating because you realize that these people are like, hey, we're going to get rich, Bob. I'm telling you, you're going to get a brand new jet.

And these guys start thinking about money. Woo! They're thinking about cocaine and all that cash they're going to have. Okay, everything Scarface is doing. Again with the Scarface. They think they're going to get the women. Did you find it?

No, I believe I know the company or the women. Did you find it? No. I believe I know the company or the name of it, but I can't. I'm trying to remember. Just go to the breaking points page. It's the crime of the century. I think that's what he said. That's what he called it. But it's also the kind of thing like you knew it was a snake when you picked it up.

Right. You knew what you were getting yourself in bed with. I have very little sympathy. You know these people slice your throat and take your kidneys. You're totally right. I don't have sympathy, but I'm fascinated by it. Oh, sure, sure. I'm fascinated by this human desire to give in, to just go, it's only 51%.

We still got 49%, Mike. Well, I mean, we don't know what their plans are. Dude, they want us to be in the company. Of course. Okay, we have a strong relationship with this company. We've been here from the beginning. We're going to be the ones. And all of a sudden,

they're just like fucking copying all their hard drives and moving all their shit over and they're like, hey, what's going on, guys? Hey, what's happening over here, fellas? I mean, I mean, and... They got the Gulfstream on order.

And there's surveillance things. Like, I wouldn't... If I'm working with the Chinese, I wouldn't trust them not to get into my email and my phone and things like that trust them You should ensure yeah, you should be you should be signing up for every gay porn newsletter There is just you do it to yourself. I just do it before they do it to you

Lex I'll just use the ring Lex Friedman just have a bot that goes on a coon all day and downloads the ugliest meme What's it called? That's a 8 Chan's new I have a bot that goes on 8kun all day and downloads the ugliest memes. What's it called? That's 8chan's new website. They go 8kun, K-U-N. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Kun?

Okay. Yeah, but it's not that way. It's not like raccoon. Okay, I got it. Maybe. I didn't think about it until right now when I just said that. Yeah. Well, whatever it is.

It's their new version of 8chan because 8chan got taken down. Yeah. Well, whatever it is. It's their new version. Okay. Of 8chan, because 8chan got taken down. Yeah. And didn't Hot Wheels steal it or something got stolen from him? Well, he started it. Yeah, yeah.

It got stolen from him or something. I know he denounced it later. I don't, yeah, he definitely denounced it, but I don't know what the business aspect of it was.

4chan is still up and running. Is it? Yeah, I got, LiveLeak, we missed, it got taken down. Oh, yeah, LiveLeak, we missed. It got taken down in May. Oh, yeah, LiveLeak got closed. When? In May or something.

Yeah, they shut down. Who shut them down? It's not profitable anymore. Yeah. We can't make money off of fights and gore. Should we reopen LiveLeak? Oh, my God. I feel like we should.

Investors lost hundreds of billions in China in July. This is it. This is the article. Wow. So this is what's crazy about it. This is it. This is the article. Wow. So this is what's crazy about it. But if you just go to the Crystal and Sagar thing. This is their video.

This is just the screenshot of the article in there. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. It's just them talking about it otherwise. Oh, of course. We can play that. Well, this is what we should tell people. Go to Sagar and Jetty.

Chinese heist of the century shows why US elites are fools. And this is on what channel? Breaking Points. Breaking Points. Breaking Points channel. They only have one channel or do they have a clips channel? Do they have two or just one? I think just one right now. I don't know.

Anyway, Sager's breakdown of it was fucking fantastic because he was explaining that you're not hearing about this on mainstream publications in the news and newspapers. He goes, this is a really important story. And what was the, uh, what was their product? They made semiconductors, semiconductors. That's what it is. I keep wanting to say like silicone chips cause I'm old, but I mean, do you not think that there is a enormous background music, so to speak in corporate media to kind of soft pedal things against China? I think there is, but I'm not sure why. Do you think they do it to encourage relationships with companies that are based in China or work with China? What do you think is

the motivation? I don't know, but it just seems that there's a lot of bad things about China that we're not being told. And I don't think it's a coincidence that we're not being and the fact that so many corporations are happy to bend the knee when it comes to adding access to those chinese markets is very disturbing to see well didn't they just um uh some social media site agreed to or wikipedia like agreed to block like the Quran and the Bible and there's some like there's an application yeah that's what it was it was Apple did this there was an application that was based on the Quran and you know they have a problem in China and one of the problem well there's a lot of problems

but one of the problems is the rest of the world has started paying attention to the Uighur Muslims right in the plight of the Uyghurs in China. And how scary this is that they seem to be, because of their religious beliefs, they seem to be isolated and taken to camps. Like, if this is true, this is a real problem. Yeah. And it's also, it's a real problem if Apple decides to give in and start banning these applications based on religious beliefs. You're going to ban it because the government doesn't want you to have an option to click on something

that is about the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita or whatever the fuck it is. You can't do that. That's censorship. If you're willing to accept censorship, and I've heard this argument from someone that I am friends with that used to work with Google. They used to work at Google, and they were doing something with China,

and they were really concerned because they weren't communicating with China. And this was the attitude. If we don't do this, China is just going to copy everything that Google does. They're going to steal Google, like steal all of the infrastructure. They're going to find a way into it, and they're going to make their own Google. So they're trying to work with Google, or with China rather. But the only way to work with them is you've got to follow their rules. Yeah, and I mean, this is the slippery slope made incarnate.

This is why Apple is in a precarious position, because if the world knows that you're willing to ban this one application that studies the Quran, what is the app? I'm looking right now. It says that I'm looking for one. It's not the greatest website for news, but it said that they're talking with someone, and they're working to get it back up.

Okay. I love when I get to a point where I'm like, I might be talking full. I might be bullsh, I might be bullshit. Fake news. What is that? See, Erin Burnett never asked herself that.

She doesn't have the chance. She has the chance. We've been doing this podcast for three hours and 40 minutes. No, that time's wrong. I was trying to fix it in the middle, but I want to fuck you up.

Yeah, the power surgeon here fucked that clock up. We've been doing this podcast for two hours and 20 minutes. I was like, man, my bladder's on point today, son. Something about being in the mountains. How dare you, Jamie, hit me with a fake time.

I just noticed it in the middle of it and I thought fucking with the time was going to fuck you up even more. That is so off. You had one job. You son of a bitch. The one on the left is good. That is so important. 45 minutes ago, I literally started to fuck with it, but I stopped. Oh, we got an app? Oh, I have a controller for it.

We'll fix that shit now so we don't have to think about it anymore. Yeah. Come on, Jamie. I was like, I can't believe Michael Malice and I have such chemistry. See, in the middle of you talking, you didn't want to see this. Time just flies by. You're a fucker. But honestly, out of all the people that I know, like when all the CNN stuff was going down,

I'm like, oh my God, where is Michael Malice? Is that true? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, that's so nice. You know, you texted me for your number and I had to double check with Lex to make sure I wasn't being trolled. Yeah, well, that's a good move.

That's a good move. Yeah, no, when it was going down, I was like, I need like the most anarchistic person that I know. The person who's like burning all the ground you can't fix it you can't fix it that's true that's you that is me yeah and it's not dave smith that's for sure dave smith isn't it he's in the argument and congrats on him and his new kid so yeah he's a beautiful person i love dave yeah he's so goddamn smart but he's such a moderate so well but compared to you he's a little moderate

But I don't think it's important to compare each other I think it is because I'm better His perspective Is equally well thought out It just differs Sure It's important to know what that means Like when someone's perspective is

Equally well thought out but differs Like we are all in competition, whether it's physically or mentally or financially or status wise. And sometimes we'll get caught up in ideas. And I think it's the best for everyone alive. It's best we don't look at ideas as something that's a part of us. Really? Yeah. I think you've got to look at ideas as a thing, like a thing like a glass or a thing like a cup. Don't connect it to yourself. Oh, I just...

You should acknowledge what it is. Like, here's my perspective. This is a ceramic mug. Yeah. I know I've broken a bunch of mugs. I've dropped them accidentally. I know what it is. I understand I'm broken a bunch of mugs. I've dropped them accidentally. I know what I could, what it is. I understand the parameters of it.

So I know what the fuck that is. This is what, this is what a mug is. What do you disagree with? About the mug? What do you disagree with what I said before that? Well, I mean, when you were saying that you should make ideas part of yourself, I think ideas is about living your values. That's ideas.

Your behavior is about that. But ideas, meaning like when you look at something, whether it's a political idea or a medical idea or a cultural idea, that's not you. Whether it's the way to fix global warming or whether or not you should be able to smoke cigars. That's not you. These are just ideas. What you are is an entity interfacing with ideas. Right. You're not your ideas.

So if your ideas are wrong, one of the things that people do that's so common is you argue for your idea as if it is you. Like you're connected completely to it to the point where you're willing to lie about whether or not the idea is accurate, even if you know it's not accurate. Like saying something is horse dewormer, when you know it was prescribed for humans for years before it was prescribed for horses. That's well known when you're saying that. But what you're trying to do is just win. You're trying to win because that idea is connected to you. But that's the wrong idea to have that you should be trying to win.

Yes. But there are ideas that are a part of you, which is such as do the next right thing, be kind, be respectful when possible. If someone or something is in pain, to do what you can to mitigate that. These are ideas. I think maybe you're right.

And I think what I'm saying when I say ideas, maybe it's too broad of a word. And what I mean is perspectives. Sure. Yeah, right. That's true. There was a great Camus, who's one of my great heroes, Albert Camus. Who's Albert Camus?

He wrote The Stranger and he wrote The Rebel and The Myth of Sisyphus. There was just, he wrote the stranger and he wrote the rebel and the myth of Sisyphus. And there was just this anecdote about how, you know, what, you know, you're for this, but what happened as a consequence of this political system, it's like your mother went to jail and he just made the comment, it goes, I like justice, but I love my mother. So like, if you do have these kinds of ideologies and push comes to shove, it makes you be a bad person to your people, to your friends, your family. It's the ideas that are wrong and it's the relationships that matter much more. And this is another thing I really despise and I block people about this all the time.

Like some people came at me on Twitter asking me to like denounce Lex because he had something to do with the mask. I don't even know what it was. Like there's no- It has something to do with what? The masks. I don't even really know what they were getting at. Lex Friedman?

I don't even know what they were talking about. What did he have to do? He's saying that masks are a good idea? I think he had to take part in some study. I don't even know what they're referring to. The point is there's no circumstance where I'm going to be denouncing people I like publicly. If I had an issue with any of my friends, first of all, it's better persuasion to sit them down privately and be like, hey, what's going on here? Talk to me.

Educate me. That's a really good point. To call on people to call out your own publicly is really nasty. It's also very transparent because you recognize why that person uses social media. Right. You're clout chasing. You're virtue signaling. It's really obvious. If you're saying it to people you don't even know and you're not calling the person that you love.

Some people have done that where they've denounced people publicly but never spoken to them privately yeah it's like that's crazy you're an asshole well it's you're an asshole and you're also trapped in this uh ideology of of wokeness that doesn't it's not applicable to friendships like you have to be able to call you don't know right where a person was coming from what actually happened you hear a story and then all of a sudden you're taking the side of one over the other and you're not even calling that person. Public displays of any kind of opinions or feelings or outrage have to be examined very carefully because there's the thing about deciding to do something publicly. very carefully because there's a thing about deciding to do something publicly you are broadcasting it in full awareness of your own personal image there's something about that that

we we don't say while a person is doing it but we all kind of know but we're willing to ignore it if enough people pile on and agree this is a good message so people will try to have these public displays of virtue where you know why they're doing it. This is a little fucking fake, man. But I'm going to, yeah, he's saying some good shit. All right, go for it. And then people develop careers based on that.

Careers based on licking their finger, figuring out which way the wind's blowing, and then making some grand statements and maybe calling someone out. Oh my God, Michael Malice called someone out. And that calling out shit, what are they doing? Did they call the guy first? Did they call the woman first? Did they have a conversation first? Or did they just decide to make this big, public, virtuous event of them having an opinion

that differs from that other person's opinion to cloud chase? Why would I want to be friends with someone who, when shit hits the fan, their first impulse is to publicly distance themselves from me? What kind of person are you and of what use are you? You're good. Maybe I could chat with you at a party, but if things are going bad for me, I want someone who I could call up on the phone and be like, hey, shit's hitting the fan. Do you have my back?

You don't have to have it publicly, but can you at least kind of give me some kind of comfort or sucker? And they don't do it. 100%. And I think the thing is all these industries are, all our industries are very insular. Everyone knows each other is one degree away or two degrees away from everybody else. And this kind of shit might fly publicly, but privately

people talk and you're going to get a reputation as a snake. I don't really get anywhere near as much hate as I should because I stand by my people. I don't throw people under the bus. You don't. You'll get more after this episode. But you don't deserve hate. You deserve.

You're a rare little flower in the desert, Michael Malice. You're an unusual person. I bought 70 succulents since I've moved here. Why are you buying cactuses? They have them. You just go find them. bought 70 succulents since I've moved here. Why are you buying cactuses? They have them. You just go find them. No, succulents. They're mostly not cactuses.

Oh, what kind of succulents you got other than cactuses? Oh, God. They're all called God's Mistakes because they're all hideous and terrifying. You're into ugly succulents? Oh, yeah, yeah. They're all in my balcony. The beautiful thing about this place is that it fucking rains. Rains a lot.

I came from LA. It never rained. Everything is green as fuck here. Rains a lot. You know, I came from LA. It never rained. Right. Everything is green as fuck here. It makes you feel better. I, there was this huge thing that hit this Austin on Thursday. The day before I was going to fly out, I flew out to Dallas. I had to bring them all into the house and I'm like, maybe I'm overreacting.

And then it was like the heavens opened up. I've never seen a downpour like this. It was like, holy shit. Dude, I went to Miami once. I was doing a show in Florida, in West Palm Beach. And my friend Eddie had a jujitsu seminar that he was doing at a jujitsu school. So we had a drive from West Palm to Miami at like 1 o'clock on a Saturday. And the fucking sky opened up to a point where I literally couldn't see you.

Like if I was in a car, I couldn't see four feet in front of the car. It was insanity. For like 10 minutes, the sky just poured and everyone stopped on the highway. You literally couldn't see when you were driving. I don't think people from California have any fucking idea what that's like. It's wild. I don't know how to drive still, so I have to take an Uber to and from the gym. I'm at the gym and the downpour happens. And I'm like, if I don't get an Uber now, literally, I don't know what to do. I want to talk to you about this.

Yeah. I have a solution. Get a Tesla because they drive themselves. Don't I have to get a license first? Yeah, get a license first. I'll get a license. But once you get a license, you get a Tesla and you hit that double button and it just navigates itself. Are you going to hook me up with Elon? I can't give you a discount. Even Elon pays full price.

Does he really? Yes. Yeah, it's part of the deal. I bought mine. I bought mine. I didn't get a discount at all. Okay. It's worth it.

Okay, fine. I'll do it. We need to juice up your podcast sales because it's worth it. If you don. I'll do it. We need to juice up your podcast sales because it's worth it. If you don't know how to drive a car, that's the best way because it drives itself sort of. It doesn't totally drive itself. No, I was in one and it was pretty close.

It's pretty close. I have a video that I never released because I'm like, this is irresponsible. But it's me listening to Led Zeppelin and a whole lot of love and like moving my hands around the steering wheel not really driving at all because we're on the PCH. How much do they cost? They're not that much, right? The self-driving ones? Is it $60 or something?

I think all of them are capable of self-driving. Okay. I think if you get, right? Is that correct? Is it $3? No, I had an Uber that had Capable, yeah, but you have to, it's like, yeah. You can pay for it, right? You got to pay. It's an option.

Yeah, yeah. But the, I think the option is for development, right? But also the full self-driving actual part is still in beta and some cars have it, some don't. I got an Uber once when he had it, he was showing me how it worked and he said it's like an extra 10 grand or something. I don't remember what it was. It wasn't that much.

It's sketchy. You know why it's sketchy? It's not sketchy because it worked. And he said it's like an extra 10 grand or something. I don't remember what it was. It wasn't that much. It's sketchy. You know why it's sketchy? It's not sketchy. Because it's a woman computer. It's sketchy because the idea of driving a car, like leaving it to the hands of the AI is terrifying. I don't know. I mean, that AI is going to drive better than me.

Perhaps. Who's that journalist that allegedly got killed by his Mercedes went off the road? Michael? You know who I'm talking about? He was the guy who did that Rolling Stone article. He got embedded in Afghanistan. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the story?

Yeah, yeah. And then there was the volcano that erupted in Iceland, and he couldn't fly for a long time. So he stayed there. God damn it, what's his name? He wrote this article for the Rolling Stone. Yeah, yeah. And in it, a lot of the general that he was hanging out with and a few of the other people there, Michael Hastings. Thank you.

They got comfortable they said some shit and then he put it in he thought they thought he was their friend and they were a little loose around him you know and uh he put some stuff in rolling stone that that general was it mccrystal mccrystal actually had to resign because he had said something critical of Obama. It was some sort of disagreement to the point where it was so significant that he had to resign. And so then Hastings was like, if I die, it's not because I killed myself. Like, let everybody know. And so Hastings died on Sunset Boulevard going like 110 miles an hour into a tree. Something crazy like that.

But the whole circumstance of it was wild because it's like they tested him afterwards and they found out that he had amphetamines in his system. But then you find out that most journalists, I don't want to say most, a significant number of journalists are on Adderall, which is an amphetamine. That's 100% true. Significant number. And he was a very prolific journalist and a very successful journalist.

And they had asked these people who understood technology and military applications, whether or not it was possible at that time to pilot a car and drive it into it to take control of a car they said absolutely said absolutely like that that exists now we know it exists right like if you if you have a car today like a modern car with electronics and an internet connection and all that jazz like most cars do it's 100 possible for some shenanigans i had jessica tarloff on my show a couple years ago she's like a hardcore clinton democrat great woman i really get along with her even though she's a great groomin great great woman oh uh even though i don't agree with her politically i just she's she's tough um and i

was asking her i'm like look every poll every president has to make the choice about war and they know when they're making that choice about war, that they're going to kill a lot of American soldiers. And even if we pretend we don't care about lives of people in other countries, I said, if that person is in that mindset, why would you put it past them to kill one or two people who are in their way? If they're comfortable killing all these soldiers, why wouldn't they kill that one person who's a threat to power, just psychologically? comfortable killing all these soldiers why wouldn't they kill that one person's threat to power just psychologically and she's like yeah like i i agree with you now it doesn't mean that every one of these things happen but g gordon liddy who was one of nixon's watergate people he was on fear factor by the way is that true yes was he it's terrifying in person no no he wasn't terrifying in person he was interesting i had good conversations with him i enjoyed talking to him he's a fascinating guy because I knew a lot about him coming in I knew that he was like when you like burn his skin and shit yes when he was a kid he tried to

do that to conquer his fear like he would burn his hand and walk in book and then stuff like that so he was in his 60s when he was on Fear Factor and we hung him by his ankles and dumped him in dunked him into the water with a bunch of cord over and over again is 60s and he got through to the next round he made it to the finals and the only thing that fucked him up the finals was a driving thing okay and he can't see at night without his glasses on he couldn't see where he's going oh so it fucked him up like honestly g gordon liddy rest in peace they cheated him out of a win on fear factor They just gave the motherfucker glasses

And let him drive Look at that kid So boy cute There's G Gordon So hung out with him And he had to do this thing But I enjoyed talking to him He was very respectful

We had an interesting conversation But in his autobiography When he was facing all three branches of the federal government He was talking to his contact In some part of the deep state, I remember who it was And he says to them, look If you've got to take me out, tell me what street corner to be on I just don't want you to kill me in front of my family

And the guy says to him We haven't gotten to that point yet But there was no claim that this is something that never happens We try to assassinate people in other countries all the time Trump just killed that general in that Iranian general There were no consequences there was yeah, but this happens all the time by weapons. Why wouldn't it happen? Well, it happens because it's convenient and it can be done and it's efficacious right it does work And if but this is the problem and don't you think they're basically tried to kill Julian Assange they're not doing it they did in a sloppy way but they're

doing whatever they can to kill the guy they're doing something that doesn't seem right it's like what I need to know like what what are you allowed to do based on what he did right what did he actually do what he really did was expose things like his actions that were true that were true and were criminal yes right or at least negligible yes like the the the when they shot down on the journalist with the the the telephoto lens they thought he was he had a gun right they're looking at they did that bad graphics or bad Optics yeah yeah yeah Um

The real problem was There's like a lot of stuff there There's a lot of things that were happening As with the Edward Snowden thing there's a lot of things To take into consideration the things that aren't legal Like you're not supposed to be able to do that Like hold on you're listening to everybody You're reading all the emails you don't even have a warrant

Yeah Why are you allowed to do that because you want a popularity contest what the fuck are you doing this is how we slide into dictatorships and people like you're an asshole you say this why do you say there's a video that Samuel Rivera made and people got mad at me cuz I reposted it was me talking about freedom and it had a bunch of imagery of like Cuba, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and China. And it's like talking about dictators. But these images, you show Hitler and you talk about freedom and people go, what are you saying?

Joe, just this past summer, the U.S. government drone strikes a bunch of children and called them ISIS-K. Because K stands for kindergarten in this context, apparently. And no one who did this had any consequences for it. They just blew over. There were kids. Well, there was a bunch of kids. It was like seven children, right? And you're like, well, oops. Oops doesn't cover it. I'm sorry.

And it's a complete mistake. It wasn't the right people to kill. And the idea that their lives aren't as important. If that was done, let's imagine that that same drone strike was done but it hit the Trump family yeah and it was Ivanka Trump and Jared Trump and Barron Trump and Melania and they all got murdered by a drone you'd be like holy shit like we're sorry we thought they were terrorists or any random family even any

random if another country don't strike some kids here but imagine it was a high profile person sure imagine it was like you know fucking pick a person pick a person tucker carlson and his mom sure you know like they get they get drone strike you'd be like holy shit yes and like this is a mistake sorry we made a mistake like we would it would be chaotic but if it happens way way way away from us and it's a bunch of children we're like there's literally no register right like the register was like you know whose fault that is why the corporate press because they're interested in making sure that the narrative sticks this is something that does not stick to the narrative

so they sweep it in the rug right a day of outrage and everyone's like back to me We think they had a day of outrage if that right it's CNN have a day of outrage about the bombings No, not CNN particularly, but but that's a really important story Like if that had happened it was Trump and Trump had killed a bunch of people Accidentally and seven of them were children. That would be a giant story. That should be a story for everybody That's worse than the phone call. he made that he got him impeached. No, it's not. Killing kids?

No, it's not. I disagree. I heard they peed on each other. What? The Steele dossier. Wasn't he like peeing? Wait, are you joking? Yes.

Okay, but I mean that wasn't what he was impeached over. No, no, I'm joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Like, yeah, you're totally right. It's crazy. Yes. It's crazy that this is something that is even being discussed it's like we've lost our fucking minds we've never had them i mean this is something that's

been going on for a very long time and no one seems to because you know we're taught in school that war is a last resort but there's so many people whom it's a first priority well it's a financial right priority right priority. There's so much money involved. And it justifies the military budget. We have to think about this when it comes to everything, when it comes to diet, when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to medical care. We have to think about money

because money motivates people in spectacular ways. I so disagree and think it's power, not money. Well, I think it's both. It's both, sure, but I think they get off more on the power. But first you get the money. No, first you get the power. Then you get the money. Then you get the pussy. So you're saying, I don't

think Biden's doing this for the pussy. You don't know. That dumb motherfucker still thinks it's gonna happen. Wait, can we talk about... He thinks they're gonna have some fucking pill. He's fucking just staying alive for 36 more months. And 36 months in, they hit him with a pill. There it is.

Let me hear it. Bitch. What I talk about? Lesbian. Lesbian. This country, you got to make the money first. Oh, it's money. Then when you get the money, you get the power.

Then when you get the power, then you get the woman. The power comes after. But we're misogynists. We said pussy and he said woman. Oh, you got the fucking... No, you get the censored version on YouTube. He definitely said pussy. Oh really? Yes! You got the bullshit version. Then you get the woman. It's the pussy! This is it. I saw it coming 10 years ago. It's gonna say the bullshit version. Then you get the woman. It's the pussy. This is it.

It's going to say the same thing. Different video. But it's in the title. By this time? It's longer too. And it's quiet. Oh, let it go a little bit. It's good and it's quiet.

It's too quiet. Okay. It's good and it's quiet. It's too quiet. Okay, so apparently he says it more than once. Yeah, it says it a given here. I mean, if you Google movie quotes, it'll probably tell you. First you get the money. Yeah, Urban Dictionary says women. Yeah. Wow, so it's like the Berenstain Bears.

Oh, yeah, or Play It Again Sam. What's that? That doesn't happen? No,ain Bears. Oh, yeah. Or Play It Again Sam. What's that? That doesn't happen? No. That's why Woody Allen called the movie Play It Again Sam. What? He never says it. What?

Yeah, yeah. You know that, right? No. I used to do stand-up at Play It Again Sam's. Yeah. No. I did stand-up at Play It Again Sam's in Boston. It was one of the first times I ever saw comedy.

Yeah. Like, I thought he said it. Nope. Who says it? No one says it. It's not in the movie. Double check, Jamie. Yeah. Like I thought he said it. Nope. Who says it? No one says it. It's not in the movie. Double check Jamie. What?

I could be talking to my ass. Say it. Repeat though. What am I, the quote? Play it again, Sam. From Casablanca. Yeah, I think that's one of those false memories. Like Mandela being in jail.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait a minute, Mandela was never in jail? No, people think he died in jail, some people. Oh. Play it again, Sam. Let's play it. Then what was never in jail? No. People think he died in jail, some people. Play it again, Sam. Let's play it. Then what am I thinking of? I'm trying to find the shortest one.

Play it. Does anyone say play it again, Sam? Oh, yeah. That's okay. There's a movie about it. Here we go. I'll do that one. Play that one. It might not be.

You might be right. Humphrey Bogart. Old school. One of the first watches ever. Boss? Bogart old school one of the first watches ever Oh what's that you're going to bed all right now ain't you planning on going to bed in the near future no you ever going to be no you used to be a much better liar, Sam.

Leave him alone, Miss Elsa. Is that Sam? Yeah, that's Sam. You're bad luck, Sam. Played one, Sam. Yeah. I don't know what you mean, Miss Elsa. Hold on. Keep it going.

Played, Sam. Play as time goes by. Oh, I can't remember, Miss Elsa. I'm a little rusty on bad acting she's not bad so she never really says it. Or we're in the alternate timeline. It was said. Let's imagine this. 1952.

42. Is that 42? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's 42? That's old. I thought it was later, too. I thought it was in the 50s. No. 42 is crazy.

That's pre-World War II. That's during World War II. But I mean, like, pre the end of World War II yeah yeah yeah sorry yeah they were like making it 42 is crazy that's so long ago

okay that's 80 years ago yeah we're old but that's 80 that's when Biden was in high school they had watches 80 years ago they had watches for a long time I know

I'm joking around. Well, so. Like wrist watches. But there is that Woody. So you guys were talking about the Woody Allen movie. Yeah. So it's made off a false premise was the whole thing. Yeah.

Yeah, right. Okay. That would. If there was a time in. If I can only travel back to a particular time in U.S. history. I would be real. I would have two dilemmas. The first dilemma would be,

I want to be in 1776. I want to see like the early days, the chaos. Yeah. Like what is it like to ride around on a donkey and like worry that the British are coming? And then-

A donkey? Yeah. What donkey? Mules. They're riding around on mules? They had a lot of mules back then. But they were riding them? Mules are a better animal to ride in inclement weather, in rugged terrain.

Okay. But they were riding them, though? Yes. Okay. Yes. It's a big thing in the South. Okay. Okay, in the South.

Gotcha. Mules are more dependable to not take precarious paths. Okay. You can talk a horse into jumping off a cliff. Okay. Just keep riding it. A mule will be like, fuck you. talk a horse into jumping off a cliff. Okay, just keep riding it mule like fuck you Okay, got it

So mules are like smarter about movement on rugged terrain and they last longer they lead need less Well my friend of mine clay Newcomb. He's been on this podcast before he actually raises mule. Oh, that's cool He's got a podcast called bear grease Why is it called bear grease because it it's about the commodity of bear fat in the early days. It was a huge trading thing. Bear fat was very valuable, and bears

were very valuable during the pioneer days. During those days where the settlers were making their way west, in Arkansas in particular where he's from, bears were more important than deer more important than any other game animal they all ate bears i i'm into wet shaving and i was gonna get some shaving soap made with bear tallow and she couldn't get the tallow because it

was hard to find now so this is still a thing well the thing is you you can't sell it commercially because like black bears can't be like we're real weird when it comes to animals yeah like and some animals were allowed animals we're allowed you to domesticate. Like you can domesticate a cow because there's no real wild examples of bovines, like those kind of cows in America. There are

in some, like Hawaii has a little bit of it so you could say one part of America. And Australia has it. They're called scrub bulls. And what a scrub bull is is a wild domestic cow that has morphed and become much more aggressive and super dangerous. Like the dingo. No, no, no. Isn't the dingo a degeneration of domesticated dogs?

It's like, no. All dogs come from wolves. No, but dingoes came from domesticated dogs. If a dingo comes from a domesticated dog, it's going backwards, right? Right. It's going more. That might be the case. But for sure, a dingo comes from a domesticated dog, it's going backwards, right? Right. It's going more. That might be the case. But for sure, a dingo came originally from a wolf.

Sure, but it skipped. Right. It went back to being a wolf. It's like a boomerang. But wait a minute. Here's the thing. Did they originate in Australia? I think, Jamie, can you look this up?

I thought they were like dogs that went feral and kind of all bred each other. But I could be talking completely wrong. No, I think you're right because that makes more sense. I know they don't bark But that way they probably wouldn't have ever like if it's like a thousand year old thing like they maybe they never encountered wolves Right, like maybe they came from this line that went from wolves to dogs Right and that's why that's Australia and then dogs who go wild and that's why they're not really scared of people That makes my understanding. I can go ate my baby, they're not really scared of people that makes my understanding I can go ate my baby, but this is why I'm saying it's my understanding

Did you? It's a movie right Steinfeld. Well, I don't know where she got it from. I go. It's from Meryl Streep movies Yeah, it's like when you hear a cover song and thinks the original because you heard a cover first It was a Meryl Streep movie about a woman in Australia who I think they accused of murdering her kid. And she said, the dingo ate my baby.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone's like, wait, what? You know, that's a song. Wait, so is the dingo the degeneration of the dingo dog?

Yeah, well, I was digging through an article on the mitochondria DNA research on that and like, maybe East Asia, I think, is where it came from but I couldn't

get back to the thought part of it. People need to fund this thing. Fund what thing? The dingo? Yeah, it's the conundrum where the dingo came from. Australia's a wild place man. It's so rugged and they're so individualistic.

No, they're not anymore. Oh, sorry. I'll shut up. I was like, and they're so individualistic. No, they're not anymore. I was like, get to that. Oh, sorry, I'll shut up. Cock-blocker. I was like, but they're the people that have fallen into the most preposterous police state in the Western world. Like out of all the countries that have hit

like the worst possible scenario in terms of like, how do you respond to the pandemic? You have the smallest number of people that have been killed with corona, right? Like people blame this Colin Powell thing on COVID, but the reality is he was in poor health and very old. The headline said after complications with COVID, not due to complications with COVID. He's also in his 80s,

which is above the average age that people die. We have an expiration date, ladies and gentlemen, right? Especially Keith Olbermann. We let him off the hook. I thought we were doing good. Oh, no, no, no. You don't let them off the hook once they're on the hook. You gotta twist that knife. You gotta get them begging for mercy. What's your goal?

What's your ultimate goal with this Keith Olbermann thing? What do you hope to accomplish from this? Keith, I don't have an ultimate goal with him, but it's just fun for the lulz. That's the goal for anything. Oh, for the lulz. Yeah. Okay. I got it. This is about, I probably think the best I'll get is this first paragraph here, maybe, which is...

Oh, when whole genome sequencing indicates that while dogs are genetically divergent subspecies as a gray wolf, the dog is not a descendant of the extant gray wolf. Rather, they are sister taxa, which share a common ancestor from a ghost population of wolves that disappeared at the end of the late Pleistocene. Oh, my God, I sense a movie.

The dog and the dingo are not separate species. The not separate species. The dingo and the Basenji. Basenji. It's separate species. Okay, yeah. They're not separate species. The dingo and the Basenji. Basenji. Basenji. It's a breed. Oh, okay. And Basil, members of the domestic dog clade.

Okay, so you're right. Yeah. So it seems like the dingo were probably, you know, there's a problem with that in parts of rural Georgia. Yeah. I believe a woman, someone got killed. I think it was a woman, got killed by domestic dogs that are wild in Georgia recently and torn apart. It's horrible.

There's like packs of dogs that are acting like predators. They're looking for meat. Tom Shalhoub, who I think he's still on Fox. I don't remember it. He had a book. And I read his book. And he talked about how when he was a kid in Boston, like in the 50s or 60s, there would be packs of dogs that would maul kids on their bikes. And I'd be like, wait, wait,ul kids on their bikes. Oh, my God.

And I'd be like, wait, wait, wait. And he's just like, yeah, that's what it was. I'm like, how is this normal that you're on a bike and these dogs just attack you? And he just basically played it off. And I'm like, I still can't wrap my head around, are they killing the kids? Are they dismembering them? He's like, no, no, they attack you and then you kind of chase them off. And I'm like, you seem to be pretty blasé about something that seems to be very, very disturbing.

Dude, people get blasé about what's around them all the time. Yeah, that's true. When people are used to... That's the fucked up thing about people is how quickly they accept whatever the circumstances are. And this is one of the things about COVID that we've realized is how quick it is for people to change the way they think and change their behavior.

I mean, there's certain like... We have no... Oh, so sorry. Well, that's why we're... Just show us what we got. We're so adaptive. Oh, this was... I was waiting for another opening.

Did you hear the story of the woman in Huntsville that was found in a van for two weeks? What? They found a body in a van that was there for two weeks. And no one was like, how did they get there? And it was in a police lot.

They were looking for her. And they were like, oh, how did they get there? And it was in a police lot. They were looking for her. And they were like, oh, it turns out she's in the back of this van that's just been sitting here. Oh, my God. I just saw this while I was on the plane. I was digging through it. I didn't hear a lot of information about it. They just released a video showing her getting into the van, which.

Oh, my God. In a police van. Oh, holy crap. I misunderstood. Yeah, sorry. Wait a minute. They put her in the police van. They forgot her in there? They don't know how she got in there herself, they're saying.

Oh, my God. She entered into it, and then she couldn't get out because there's no handles on the inside. And then it was 88 degrees for two weeks or something like that. Oh, my God. Wait, what? So she climbed in a police van and died in there? Without her phone? That's part of the questioning is like-

Without her phone. How do you know she has a phone? Why did she get in there? Without her phone? That's part of the questioning is like- Without her phone. How do you know she has a phone? Why did she get in there? She's a woman. Why was she in the van? How did no one check on her? Why would you climb into any van? Again, this is a story of like she was missing-

What if you wanted to go to the mall? And people were bringing it up as the comparison to the Gabby Petito situation where like a big, big story for two, three, four, five weeks now. And this has been happening and no one has heard. Well, this reminds me more of that lady with the hotel in LA. Remember that with the thing with the elevator

and they found it? Oh yeah, there's a documentary on Netflix about that. Well, excuse me, the other thing about this is the police have said stuff that her family is like, that doesn't make any sense. What do you mean? What'd they say? Oh, the police might have forgot about her.

I'm reading this off of like an Instagram story. They might not have, by the way. I don't want to get sued, Michael Malice. Yeah. I mean, this is CNN, so you got to take it with a grain of salt. I just was clicking the first thing I saw about it. What does it say? The police face questions?

Yeah, they don't know. Like, again, they don't know how it got in there, how they didn't find her in the back of the parking lot for two weeks. But if you don't use a certain van for two weeks, that's terrifying. Here's the thing, like, I don't know how those things work, but if the lock works on the outside, but it doesn't, there's

no handles on the inside because you've got prisoners, you could easily open that up and go, I'm going to take a nap in here. If you're a homeless person, I get it, but like, maybe she's homeless. Wait, if you're a homeless person. She's not. I get it, but like. Maybe she's homeless. Wait, if you're homeless, it's going to be hotter in the van than outside the van. Correct.

What if it's outside? During the news conference, they said. Mosquitoes and shit. She's walking around the parking lot. She lays down in the bushes at some point. She sits on the hood of a police car for some time. All this happens about 10 minutes before she enters the van. Yeah, she was tripping balls.

Like, what she's saying is all like someone who's drunk or high. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she probably climbed into the vehicle and died because of the heat. Oh, my God. Because the vehicle... Look at how they write this. Because the vehicle was designed for inmate transport, once the back doors are closed,

there's no way to open them from the inside. How terrifying is that? To be tripping balls and you just realize like, hey! Hey! How do I get out of here? Bang, bang, bang! Hey! Bang, bang, bang! Hey! And all of a sudden it's 75.

You're like, oh my god, I have to drink my own urine. So then you're trying to figure out, you Michael Malice, you trying to figure out how to stay alive. Tripping balls. You were hanging out with Bert Kreischer, and he got you hammered, and he climbed into a police car, you're like, fuck the police, and you took a nap.

Joe, if I'm tripping balls, why am I going to where the cops are? Because you're so high, you don't know what you're doing. Have you ever tripped balls? I've never been that high that I'm going towards the fucking cops. That's when you know you got

the good shit what does this say this is like when you said why the police have questions to answer okay

the hunt where's it where's it say which part which part initially delayed given the family the incorrect date

for the last time they saw her oh boy she's a snitch oh they better kill her oh she's a snitch they saw her. Oh, boy. She's a snitch. Oh, they may have killed her. Oh, she's a snitch. They knew her pretty well. They worked with her to provide resources.

Oh, wait, maybe they meant they were giving her resources like she was poor. They worked with her to... Oh, my God. They might have said, listen, bitch, if you don't tell us what the fuck to do, we're going to... No, but... No, but they have videos of her. Yeah, yeah.

So you know that didn't happen. Yeah, yeah. All right, I'm painting a face scenario. This is how rumors get started. This is how you write an episode of CSI. Yes. No, so they've worked with her in the past to provide resources. That means they were helping her.

Oh, look at this. The video was not clear enough to indicate that that was our sister, Christina Nance. That's what people were sort of saying. I was like, because they said they had a video, and everyone was like, well, I guess it's going to be grainy enough that we can't see her face. We won't even know who it is getting in there because they could have just made a fake video to say this is what happened to help her. God, there's so many problems being a person.

I guess you guys not heard about the story. No, I hadn't. I definitely hadn't. That makes me very sad. It is sad. To die like that is horrific. And an earshot of everyone else, that's really kind of,

and banging on those doors. Jesus, that's awful. I feel bad for her and her family her family yeah that's not a good way to go have you ever been how do you want to go hot and no water fucking like nelson rockefeller knock nelson rockefeller have a bit about it i don't know i probably want to asteroid hit me right in the face. I don't want to be knocked back into the Stone Age if one of those Pleistocene type, one of them Yucatan

craters. Yeah, yeah. One of them asteroids comes right in the face. Just hit me with this six mile wide chunk of steel from space or iron from space. Hit me right in the face. Boom! Let's see what's next. I don't want to eat people. steel from space or iron from space, hit me right in the face. Boom. Let's see what's next.

I don't want to eat people. I don't want to be a cannibal. I don't want to be a cannibal either. I don't want to do like Stalin-style Soviet Union, eat your babies. Wait, what's that do with anything? What do you mean? Lex was telling me that there was periods of time during Stalin's reign where people who were starving to death ate their children.

Yeah, he must be referring to either the seizure of Leningrad or the Holodomor when they starved. I talk about that in my forthcoming book. And they knew you were holding food if you weren't starving. Here's the thing, Michael. I don't think humans are that much different than humans back then. Of course we're not. That's all paleo idea. Yeah, and I think that if you looked at what it is, if you could take what a human

is, what entails being a human being, and you could narrow it down to a specific group of elements and ingredients, we're the same thing. Exactly the same thing. So, it's possible with the wrong set of circumstances,

the wrong events, the wrong humans in charge to get to a point where people are so fucked that they're eating their kids. Oh, yeah. If that could happen 100 years ago, it can happen 100 years from now. We're the same thing. It takes thousands of years for us to change what it means to be a person. And we haven't really changed that much. In the late 1800s, early 1900s, the talking point was we're never going to have war again. Because now we're civilized and we have technology and we figured it out.

And then came the Great War. And as a result of that, they had to invent plastic surgery. Because it was the first time you had human beings meeting metal machines of war and coming back all disfigured and completely deformed. And medical science increased to the point where you can keep those people alive. Right. Yeah. When I was a kid, I lived in San Francisco. Let me interrupt you for a second.

Can you pull up the first guy who had plastic surgery? If you've seen that picture, it's just— I've got to pee. Do you want to keep going? Yeah, let's do it. Let's pee. We'll pee. We'll come back.

Michael Malice, ladies and gentlemen, one of the greats. So how was your pee? Did you enjoy it? I didn't pee. Do you want to keep going? Yeah, let's do it. Let's pee. We'll come back. Michael Malice, ladies and gentlemen, one of the greats. So how was your pee? Did you enjoy it? I didn't pee. You didn't take a shit? I was sitting here the whole time. You didn't leave at all? No. Oh, they told me you did. It was Jamie. Jamie's a liar. It was confusion. There was confusion outside. Jamie

is short for CNN. Relax. Relax. I ran out there to pee. They didn't know who it was. Can't CNN be saved, Michael Malice? No. No? I don't think the corporate press can or should be saved. I think the amount of blood these people have on their hands is unforgivable.

Do you think that the mantle should be handed over in terms of viewership, in terms of what we ingest in terms of media should be handed over to these independent places, things like Breaking Points. I don't think should is the word I would use, but I think that this is why I'm so hopeful for this country. I think it's inevitable. Look at when you and I were kids,

there was Sam Goody and Coconuts and The Wiz, and those are the record stores, and you can only get a certain amount of records, and now those stores don't exist, and there's more music than ever. And you get it at the press of a button and for virtually nothing. So I think there's no reason for news

to be as commodified and to be as centralized as it is. I saw somebody say something. What? That's not good, though. That music's available for virtually nothing, though. That's great. So they're used to the consumer, but not for the artist. There's plenty of artists who are making it happen.

Look, for example, my books, you can bootleg them, and I'm not seeing a set. But there's enough people who are paying that enables me to have that be my income. My book, The Anarchist Handbook, which I dropped in May, was the top nonfiction book on Amazon for a few hours. And I didn't go through a publisher. This is a new means of publishing. And I'm very, very excited about what that means for the future. It is really interesting that there's not a gatekeeper anymore. Right. That all you have to do is have something that resonates with people. Right.

Yeah. The Hunter-Gatherer's Guide, the Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying book, Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century, it shot through the fucking roof on Amazon immediately. And it was just because of the love that people have for them and their honest opinions. When you're an independent person making it happen, people are desperate. It's like tipping your waiter. You really want to show your support and buy their product. And I've been the recipient of that,

and I'm very grateful for that to be the case. That's all I do. That's my whole world. Yeah. My whole world is putting out the best version of whatever the fuck I put out I can. You're not gonna like, no one is going to like everything. But that's what being authentic means.

When you love someone, you know, like a friend or partner, you're going to be like, all right, they do this, that's annoying. Or I hate this quality about them. But you accept them in their totality because that's them being them as opposed to some corporate nonsense

where you pretend that you're perfect and everything's, you know, flawless. That's bullshit. Human beings are far more complex than that. No network is flawless and no vaccine is flawless. Isn't it crazy that saying that is controversial? What you said logically, if you want to look at all the data points, you'd be like, makes sense.

I see where you drew his conclusion. But if you want to be a part of the cool kids club and you want to go to the Emmys. I mean, the idea that they're the cool kids, they stood up and applauded while Harvey Weinstein's exposing himself to half the women in Hollywood. I think what we have to do is make a new cool kids club. Don't you think that's what's happening now? I think it is, but I think we have to maybe do it consciously well we have to do it based on some very clearly established uh ethics and one of them is just like be nice be nice not nice kind be kind it's good yeah be kind be kind it's good that's a

good way to say it be kind be honest these are really if you just get past be kind to be honest if we can get everybody to do the four agreements by the four agreements do you know the Dom Miguel Miguel the Dom Miguel Ruiz wrote a book called the four agreements it's really beautiful and if you get the audio version it's really easy to digest because it's written it's's read rather by Peter Coyote, the actor. And it's one, be impeccable with your word. This is the idea. These are the four agreements. Be impeccable with your word. There's no reason to say something you don't really believe. If you think that it serves you, this is my interpretation, but if you think that it serves

you to be a liar and to be disingenuous ultimately based on my own experience it doesn't serve you because any any like victory you gain through deception you lose points in how you feel about yourself it's also very hard to sustain a lie because at some point you're because a lie by definition is going against reality and at some point reality is going to catch up with you it also keeps you from really connecting with people yes yeah they need to know that you're telling the truth so i don't you know or your best version of it yes the people that i value the most are the people that with humility and self-deprecation and honesty and they can look at themselves for what the fuck they really are so here's another one don't take anything personally if there's anything out of this book

that's helped me more than anything, it's don't take things personally. Because if people say mean shit about you, people immediately want to lash out. They immediately want to attack. They immediately want to make it their goal to destroy that person. It's a waste of energy.

If you want to discuss it publicly, like we just did on this podcast, even this may be an argument against that, but taking it personally is fucking dangerous. But come on. It's not good for you. You can't take anything personally? There's lots to take personally.

I just don't think it's good for you. I don't think it's good for you. I don't think it benefits you. I think maintaining, I want to call it a Zen mind state, but what I mean is- The serenity prayer. There's a mind state that you can achieve where you're less troubled by things that you have no control over. And I think that is probably better for everybody.

Yeah. Some people ask me how I deal with all the garbage on social media. And I'm like, look, I'm from New York, right? If you're in New York and someone gets up to you on the subway and starts cursing you and calling you stupid and all these other things, you're not going to take their comments under advisement. Your only thought is how do I get away from this person as fast as possible? So that is a similar mind. If there's a stranger who's berating you on Twitter or Facebook, it's fine. You don't have to, but there's lots of things I take personally. If I value someone's opinion, if they're close, have an intimate relationship with them and they say bad things about me, yeah, it's going to hurt. Right.

But this is the perspective. When that person does that, recognize that, well, this person I now know is capable of doing something that's very weak. But what if they're doing it and they're right? What if they're pointing out a flaw of mine that is actually accurate? Oh, well, that's not personal. Then you should be thankful. I am thankful, but I'm still taking it. Oh, I see what you mean. But that's not taking it personally. Like, hey,

what the fuck? Shut up about me. Well, if they're saying, if that number two is don't be defensive, that's the best advice you can give. I think that's essentially what they're saying, but it's a little more complicated and nuanced. If you say, don't take things personally, it's kind of open for interpretation. But for me,

I mean, it's like how I view it It's helped me a lot to not create additional conflict If you think about when you're doing a show Let's just say you put a podcast out and it reaches a thousand people sure out of those thousand You're gonna have 30 people that hate it. Sure. Maybe a hundred sure who knows maybe it's one out of ten Those people might tweet about it. You might read that tweet and decide that everybody hates it no no you might yeah that's crazy right right yeah but you might decide because you're defensive that you read someone's interpretation of what you said and they get angry the my point is that there's a lesson to be learned about human beings interacting online that hasn't really existed before this era that we're living in right now with the internet.

When I say don't take anything personally, listening to what he's saying, I think we're dealing with a whole new level of that. If you could just say, people just talk, like if you say something crazy or whatever you do, if I talk to you, I won't take anything personally unless I can look you in the eye and have a conversation with you. And not just a short one. If we have a disagreement, I want to know what you think and why you think it. And I want you to be able to listen to what I think and why I think in a way that's going to be the most digestible. So I'm going to say it in the most nice way possible. That's my goal. So when I say don't take anything personally, don't make it harder.

It's hard enough to be a finite lifespan. Sure. Life form. A finite life form on a planet that's hurling through infinity. And a lot of times it's not really about you. It's about their dad or about the, someone who broke up with them in high school, but everything,

if it's hysterical, it's historical. It's about genetics. You know, it's about fucking geography. It's about economics. It's about, there's a million different factors.

But I think the other, the other thing create young creators don't appreciate is make sure if you're creating a product, whether it's a book, podcast, whatever, that you're doing it for yourself. If you're comfortable, if you enjoy it and it doesn't resonate with the audience, it doesn't mean that it's the wrong thing. Like a

lot of times I'll do things that people find stupid, but I'm having fun. And if I'm having fun, then it's easy for me to produce. For sure. I mean, that's the whole history of this show. Yeah. It's just two guys hanging out, having conversations. So here's the other one. Don't make assumptions. That's another good one. Don't make assumptions. Be aware of all of the possibilities. It's not like to be ignorant or to be

unrealistic about negative outcomes, but don't make assumptions. Just don't walk into things already at seven all revved up. Because you can go up to seven. It's a lot easier to go to seven than go from seven to one. Absolutely. And then the best one, always do your best. Now, unconsciously, I had been working on two of those. I had been working on be impeccable with your word, and I had been working on always do your best. It's just naturally. Just realizing

from trial and error in my life, where do I get over best? I get over best when I'm always honest and I be impeccable with what I say. And I'm not always accurate with it. I fuck it up and I feel bad about it. But my thought is like, say what you mean and mean what you say. That's be impeccable with your word. Always do your best. Always do your best has been my easiest one one because it doesn't necessarily come with social consequences if you can just try your best and like especially like in competition when you get two sprinters talking shit to each other on the starting blocks like that there's a part of always doing your best is also

talking shit to each other sure trying to make that person feel bad before you fucking launch yourself here's another way the core law to always do your best if you're asking for someone for a favor make it as easy for them to say yes as possible. Right. Do your best at it. And do your best to take as much on your shoulders as you can. Yes. So they have to do the least effort on their part. Like I've had people be like, hey, can you look over this essay for me? Well, it still needs a little work. No, no, no, no, no. Send it to me when you've got it as good as you can get it right so that's when you need my help because my time is important and you should treat

it accordingly and vice versa there's some people with some decent ideas that think that the way to get through is to have someone grab your hand and pull you up the mountain right that's not always true no like there's levels of ideas you might have a number two idea and you think it's a four idea you know you might have a four you think it's a four idea. You might have a four, you think it's a six. Right. And this is part of the problem with being a person. So we overestimate what we are based on the amount of input that we get.

And if we only get input from a very small group of people, and those people are all scared and anxious and clueless, we're fucked. Yes. And when you're young, you're going to ask your dumb little friends for advice and they don't want to seem stupid so they'll give you what they know, but they don't know what the hell they're talking about either. Exactly. So ask someone who's made it happen

if you can get a hold of them. And even when you get to them, you got to catch them at the right time. You don't want to catch them when they're dying because when they get older, they start panicking and they start fucking bullshitting themselves. They don't want to bullshit you.

And they stand on the balcony above Central Park spewing spit and yelling about people being afraid. I'm afraid! Oh, this is the other meme that I wanted to show you. Let's see this. This is my new favorite meme. Hold, please. Hold, please. Here it is.

Jamie. Come on, Jamie. There it goes. I sent it to you. Ready? This is the best meme of what's today's date? October 18, 2021. This is the best meme.

Oh, yeah, I've seen that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Biden making this mean face next to this old man from, what is that from? Jeff something. Jeff Foxworthy? No, it's not Jeff Foxworthy. It's a comedian. He does a bunch of those characters.

Oh, Dunham. Jeff Dunham, yeah. Yeah. Why did I say Jeff Foxworthy? We should end this podcast. I'm drunk. I had to get a little buzzed. I had a few drinks.

Yeah. Okay. I'm dealing with all this nonsense and I don't like it. Really? Is it getting to you? No. Then what? Are you just, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth?

I don't like it. I don't like that this is, uh, this kind of fake talk is acceptable. I don't like it. Yeah. It makes me upset because it's 2021 and I think that talk is acceptable. I don't like it. It makes me upset because it's 2021, and I think that shit is nonsense. I think they're blowing smoke signals. I think they're sending fucking Morse code.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. It's not good for anybody. Like, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to tell the truth and make some money? This is not the way to do it. What you're doing is some legacy bullshit that's based on principles that are only valid when the whole world didn't have YouTube. Right.

Yeah. This is why we're going to win because they're living in an outdated model and these are not impressive people that we're up against. This is why it's so confusing. When a fucking cage fighting commentator and a dirty comedian who started a podcast to talk shit while getting high with his friends. Yeah. If that becomes a problem. Right. Right.

Why is that resonating with people? How can you be hopeless about America when this is the case? This is what's going on? Yeah. Yeah. So these people that talk like, when was the last time you heard

any of those people say cunt? Oof. Why don't they say that? That's a real word. These times. You just got the, that? That's a real word. This time's... That's the clip they're going to pull. This is the level of discourse on the Joe Rogan experience. That's exactly the level of discourse.

It varies wildly. Widely and wildly. But why don't you talk like a person that I know? Do you know that back in the day in comic books uh and this is germaine they weren't allowed to have characters named clint because in comic books when the letters are all written out in capitals it looks like cunt so they just put you see what i'm saying so they just put together a clip show for my um youtube called malice clips but we're going to call it Malice Cups

because it just looks fucking like that. Well, they made Bruce Banner from the comic books. David Banner on a TV show because Bruce is a gay name. Yeah, Bruce and Lance and Julian. How crazy is that? But Bruce is the ultimate gay name. But I love the idea that somehow you're going to name your son Bruce and all of a sudden he's just going to be attracted to dudes.

Can we pull up data on how many Karens were named this year? Oh, it's probably zero. It's probably zero. I've been going after this Karen on Twitter. It's been really funny. She's been having her ass handed to her. Is her name really Karen? No, it's Ruth Marcus.

What did she do? She had this thing about like she was on an elevator. She asked the guy to take off his mask, please. And he's like, basically go fuck yourself. And she goes, well, that's the state of America today. And everyone just piled on her hard. And she's been doubling down this morning. She goes, well, in honor of Colin Powell, let me explain why masks in the elevator are a good idea.

It's like, bitch, this ain't about Colin Powell. How sweet is that move though? Attaching yourself to Colin Powell? Oh, only three. Oh, yeah, yeah. Karen was the third most popular name for girls in 1965, meaning there were almost 33,000 newborn Karens that year. Do you know what two names were?

Last year, there were 325 baby girls named Karen, which is fewer than the 439 who were given the name in 2019. So there's people hanging in there. Do you know- 325 with Karen. The first name that fell off the fastest was Adolf, okay?

Obviously. How about that mustache? Where'd that go? The guy from Sparks still has it. Who? Sparks. This band that's been around since the 70s. His two brothers.

He's got a Hitler? Oh, yeah. German mustache. The Hitler's only good above the snatch. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a small amount of time. But above the pussy, you don't mind at all.

There's no one who's getting mad about- They're a great band. Okay. Seems more like a Charlie Chaplin to me, but I'll let it go. Well, they wouldn't let him play in Germany, I think, at one point, or in Austria or something like that. Because of the mustache. Yeah.

Oh, that's a Hitler. Yeah. No, that's a Hitler. And they're really quirky. Look at them marrying each other If you look at the top row you see it that right there. Yeah, so they're very funny quirky band the two brothers Wow He's hanging in there with the Hitler. Yeah, yeah, it would let him in Germany

But the second name that fell off the fastest was Hillary Adolph and then Hillary that's gotta be zero. But now I think it's come back. People like her again. But for a while there, she was really, really, really. They need to watch videos. Yeah. And to watch their back. Yeah.

Anything else? Should we wrap this up? Yeah. Wrap it up. Let's do it. Let's do it on a high note. My friend, glad to have you in Austin, Texas. Thank you, fellow Texan.

Thank you. Thanks for being here when the world has gone topsy-turvy, ladies and gentlemen. Michael Mouse, for all the hot takes, follow him on Twitter. Talk shit if you dare. Anything else? Anarchisthandbook.com. Yeah. Go there.

And what was the other? You have another funny website. What was the other one that we talked about earlier? Which one? You on? Oh, FuckTards.org. I just forwarded it to the Twitter page. FuckTards.org.

FuckTards.org. Good night, world. Good night. Bye.