The Joe Rogan Experience - #1725 - Bridget Phetasy

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

Bridget Phetasy is a writer, stand-up comedian, and host of the YouTube program "Dumpster Fire" and podcast "Walk-Ins Welcome."

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Are we rolling? What's going to catch up? I said we're just going to catch up. It's been a year. It's been a year. Yeah.

And you've been trending on Twitter for that entire year. It's not my fault. It's fucking dorks. Get out of the house losers go pay attention to real life shit every time she's out there torturing puppies you see that shit i yeah i didn't read the article i shut up i can't look at puppy torture what are they learning from torturing but pull up the article jamie because people need to know this because i put it up on twitter but this is sick shit glenn greenwald uh texted me about this and he was kind of explaining that it doesn't help

anything there there's no benefit there's no benefit to this right he's like this is not something that's saving lives like if if you could prove this was saving lives he goes maybe you can make some sort of ethical argument for doing this but it doesn't save lives it's just not yeah it's twisted and i don't understand it i just saw bipartisan legislators demand answers from fauci on cruel puppy experiments our investigators show that fauci's nih division shipped part of its part of a 375800 grant to a lab in Tunisia to drug beagles and lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive.

I feel like in a normal society, this guy would just be completely retreated from the public by now. How is this possible? How is it possible, first of all, that now it's been proven, the NIH has now come out and said he lied. He lied in front of Congress about gain-of-function research. They funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab that worked on coronaviruses in the very fucking area where a coronavirus got out and killed 4 million people

with cleavage sites that were inserted into it that seemed to indicate that it's been manipulated. Like all these indications. Yeah, they were, by the way, all conspiracies. These were all just conspiracies. If you even suggested any of this. It came from a lab, that it was funded. All of it is now

true and no one says sorry. It's how I got trended on Twitter. It's one of the ways I got trended on Twitter from when Brett Weinstein was on. And Brett was saying this, that it seems to indicate, this was in April of 2020. Brett was saying it seems to indicate that this is a virus that's been manipulated. And everyone's like, that is a dangerous conspiracy theory, and it's racist! Racist! Conspiracy theory! Meanwhile,

it's actually accurate. And it's our own government was involved. Which is the most fucked up thing because as things have been uncovered, as Josh Rogan uncovered it, Josh Rogan played a very big part in this. Because Josh Rogan recognized that he was one of the first people and he actually broke it on

This podcast that Fauci was the one who restarted the gain-of-function research that Obama Right rightly and smartly had said hey stop doing that shit The fuck are you doing and so then Trump came along the faculty this is important research We need to do we need to try to kill the world. Fuck. This is so crazy that this is not. Like, if you go to all these mainstream news places, they're not saying this. Yeah, they can't.

How are you not saying this? They don't understand why they've lost all their credibility, and yet they behave as if the internet doesn't exist. Right. Well, how is CNN not covering this? Go to the Fauci story because it is so crazy. Because when you watch Rand Paul grill him. Yeah. And he's like, with all due respect, Senator, you do not know what you are talking about.

You do a good impression of him. I could do a better one if I listen to him. If I listen to him for like 10 minutes, I can really get him. I remember that Rand Paul recently was like, someone owes me an apology. What are you doing? I listen to him. If I listen to him for like 10 minutes, I can really get him. I remember that Rand Paul recently was like, someone owes me an apology. What are you doing? I don't know. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There was another one in my, it's in

my Twitter, that in a shocking turn of events, the NIH has now admitted, which is interesting, because if they're admitting that they funded game-to-function research, that means they're turning on that little monster. So if they're turning on him, that means we might actually see some progress here, and a real objective understanding of what's happening.

In major shift, NIH admits funding risky virus research in Wuhan. Now, this is Vanity Fair, okay, super liberal publication. So if they're doing this, that means the tide has turned. A spokesperson for Dr. Fauci says he has been entirely truthful but a new letter belatedly acknowledging that the national institute of health support for virus enhancing research adds more heat to the ongoing debate over whether a lab leak could have sparked the pandemic. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yes, it did. It seems like that would be the obvious conclusion. This natural spillover shit, you don't have an example. There's no science that points to that.

All the science points to a manipulated virus that came out of the very area where they manipulate viruses. Like when Jon Stewart went on that rant on Colbert's show. manipulated virus that came out of the very area where they manipulate viruses like when when john stewart went on that rant on colbert show and he got canceled for a minute it didn't work but i was like yes john stewart john stewart is a fucking man yeah he's honest he's brave he he's not you know he's not that guy that's gonna bullshit just for the party yeah and just toe the line he's not gonna do to do it. Thank God. Thank God there's guys like him out there.

I mean, yeah. I think he's always been pretty good about that. About everything. Yeah. And his new show, I think, is... I haven't watched it, but I hear that it's pretty serious. If he's involved, it's good.

Yeah. If he's involved, I'm in. I just love what he did for all the guys down at Ground Zero. Yes, yes. I always liked him, but I really just respected him a hundred times more when he fought so hard for them. He's a national hero. Jon Stewart really is.

And when he's not on the air and then you see him again, you appreciate him. Like, God damn it, I wish he was back. Because when he was hosting The Daily Show show the daily show was fucking yeah it was perfect i don't even watch it now i watch it now like this is nonsense like this is a lot of people kind of blame him for the the state of news today though you know he he did pioneer the form of making jokes out of the news who else is doing doing that now, though? Everybody. Even the news. But they're doing it accidentally. They're doing it with the jokes on them.

No, it's crazy times. I feel, I thought, I don't know what I thought. When we last sat down, it was a year ago. You just moved here. And had things started opening up? I don't even remember. Here they were open. Yeah, they were pretty much open. But not where I was it was really it's still closed yeah la still closed well it's not closed everyone's terrified it's a it is a it's a suicide pact i'm

convinced when i was back there a few weeks ago i was like oh my god like the general feeling in the air the tone everyone's scared yeah and crime is off the fucking charts i mean yeah my neighborhood just this last weekend we were opening our door to go film dumpster fire and there's always police helicopters around so we're used to we often have to like pause because we were in such a high class like filming environment and then so there's always like some shit going down and we had to, we were, we're used to having to pause for like the helicopters and we walk out in this

over the PA. It's like, get inside your house, close your doors and lock them. We were like, Oh shit. And then we hear, put your hands,

put your hands up where you, we can see them and come out of the building. So apparently some guy it started on a local business and then guys chase this one guy out and he was trying to attack people with i don't even know what and then he was jumping from um like yard to yard like ferris bueller only trying to break in and attack people. And so it was like this whole insane. I was like, what are we doing here? This is nuts. And that's just my friend who's on the show.

She was like, oh, somebody exposed himself. I'm like, I don't it's not like a walk with my dog. If somebody doesn't expose themselves, that's just normal. They don't arrest people in L.A. anymore. No. So apparently with this guy We got even more details He had done the same thing a couple weeks ago

And attacked somebody I think with a knife And Gascon let him out in six hours Yeah that's what they're doing You know about the guy who got macheted on the beach with his family No A homeless guy who's a fucking psychopath Who pulled a knife on a sheriff

They arrested him Gascon let him back on the street A homeless guy who's a fucking psychopath who pulled a knife on a sheriff. They arrested him. Gascon let him back on the street. And then he macheted some poor guy with his family on the beach. The guy lost his eye. Oh, God. Cut his face, his hand, his tongue. This guy was swinging a fucking machete at a father in front of his children on the beach. Yeah, it's scary.

I mean. Gascon is a scary guy. Yeah. in front of his children on the beach. Yeah, it's scary. I mean... Gascon is a scary guy. Yeah, it's... He, like, embodies all of the fears of, like, the George Soros conspiracy theory, that George Soros is trying to destroy the country and do so with, like, putting in more and more liberal people,

like, the more progressive, like, anti-law enforcement, completely anti. Completely. And then when he gets them in the office, then he funds someone who's even more to the left and runs them against him. Yeah.

No, it's the quality of life has drastically gone down. I don't see it improving. You know, it's not like there's any, there doesn't seem to be anything stopping. And even, you saw when you left, and it's even worse. I mean, we go drive and they're just full tent communities under pretty much every freeway. And it's hard because I'm a compassionate person who has empathy and you you seeing this every day,

you have to start to like turn your heart off a little and i'm also just disgusted at how gross the city looks it looks like shit it looks like shit i have a a good friend who's very progressive very liberal and he lives in brentwood he's also wealthy oh brentwood's nuts brentwood is so far fucked right now with tents nuts and he's like nuts. And he's like, I can't believe, he's turning, he's like red pilling. He's like, I can't believe this. In this incredible expensive neighborhood with this insane real estate, like some of the most expensive real estate in LA and we've got fucking tents everywhere. Someone died at that encampment.

There was like some homeless person ran into another homeless person at that, at that like right along the veteran place in Brentwood. You mean headbutted them? No, with a car. Took a car and ran into someone and killed them. If you're homeless but you have a car, are you still homeless? If you have a van, are you still homeless? I think they are included in that population.

What if you have a camper van? Are you still homeless i think they are included in that population what if you have like a camper van are you still homeless i mean i feel like they're still maybe i don't know what if you have one of them i want to know everywhere well because they used to have those strict laws about how you couldn't park and then there were now there are like fires all the time because people in venice are like cooking meth in there. It's crazy. My friend had to leave Venice. She was like, I couldn't, I, she was like, I didn't realize how just desensitized to the smell of urine and meth I had become. Venice is so bad. I went to Venice the other day, went to Felix, the restaurant in Venice, my favorite restaurant on earth. And as we were driving there, we passed like literally a hundred of those camper trucks in a row.

Yeah. They just, they just, they, that's where they live now they just pull on the side of the road and stop their their camper truck yep i went with schellenberger who you recently had on we went down to see the big encampment down in venice and go watch while they were actually they just happened to be cleaning up some of the beaches and And then we went down to Skid Row that day. And it was, Skid Row is eye-opening because it's always been there, but it's huge now. It's many, many, many, many blocks. And even, they were saying that there are now 47 families. There aren't supposed to be kids on Skid Row.

And the guy was saying that as a last count, there were 47 families down there. And that was like real, that felt like a real, that was interesting because it was all black people down in Skid Row, pretty much 99%. And then out on the west side, like crazy white people. And it felt- So we have segregated homeless in Tampa? It's weird. And then out on the West side, like crazy white people. So we have segregated homeless in Kamloops? It's weird. It's weird because it felt really like systemic poverty in Skid Row. You know, it felt very much like the system had failed these people and drastically and no one really freaking cared. had failed these people and and drastically and no one really freaking cared and in LA like out on the west side it felt like a lot of mental illness clearly but a lot of it's just kind of

oh god this is gonna sound horrible but it felt like LARPing you know like I'm gonna go be like a homeless person on the beach and do drugs there just is a vibe of really yeah it's weird because there you can come to la and they'll give you money and you can just do drugs and never get arrested you can go to california just has same in san francisco it's not like you're gonna get arrested if you do they'll put you back on the street there was like a vibe of um i don't know it felt it was like a lifestyle you know it felt more like a lifestyle choice like people because they say why are all these people homeless well a lot of people they don't take the offer to get off of the street they don't want shelter they don't they don't want to give up their drugs that's the big one yeah is that if you go into a lot

of these shelters they require you to be clean. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people trying to get clean in those shelters. So it would be very hard if you're surrounded by people who are doing drugs. Yeah. It's one of the dumbest thing about Austin is that I think they're moving it now, but there's a homeless shelter that's right next to Sixth Street. Oh, okay.

Where everybody's drunk. Yeah. So you're literally one block away from the biggest party street in all of Austin. And you're like, hey, time to cleanth Street. Oh, okay. Where everybody's drunk. Yeah. So you're literally one block away from the biggest party street in all of Austin. And you're like, hey, time to clean up, everybody. Let's clean up right here where you can hear the fucking music blaring. That's like that rehab that's right on Venice Boulevard, the one, the Phoenix

or whatever. It's like right on the strip. Really? I'm like, who the fuck's getting sober in this place? You walk out the door and it's like, here, get whatever you want. Well, that's a good place if your intentions are really just to make money and your intentions are not to make people clean. You will have a never ending supply of people that need rehab if you just go right to them and they don't have to travel. They can just literally

shuffle over barefoot and stumble into your rehab. That's such an unregulated industry too. The, you know, the like halfway houses or the, what are they called now? Like the sober livings. I could start a sober living if I wanted. There's no regulation on this and they're super expensive and people get sent to them. Obviously parents are worried about their kids. They get sent out to LA for these fancy rehabs and then they all end up homeless in Venice. You know, no, there's just so much churn, and there's so many people that go out to get sober and clearly don't. Well, the ones that are in Malibu are the real fancy schmancy ones, right?

They're the ones where you do yoga and you drink wheat grass juice. Yeah, you get like massages. And how often do they work? That's what I want to know. When I got sober, i was 19 the first time i got sober my i remember calling the woman and she i had been in a rehab for a week and then my insurance ran out so i put myself on general assistance this was in minnesota and um went and called this place and this woman answered and i was like, hey, and I needed to go to an all-female one because some dude tried to do something with me in the last one. So I wanted all women.

Women! People can't see it. Is that something you yell in your podcast all the time? I always yell it on Dumpster Fire. What's the context? Because they're always saying birthing people or people with vaginas and I'm like, women! Isn't that crazy? Can we just say the word? Because they're always saying like birthing people or people with vaginas. And I'm like, women! Isn't that crazy?

Can we just say the word? Lactating people. So it was all women. And I called and this woman, she's like, you ever heard of boot camp? And that's what it was like. It was 40 women. And I had to do dish. We had dish duty.

It was very regimented. And they kicked our asses. It was run pretty much all by lesbians they just kicked our butts they saw they had seen it was mostly women who were avoiding prison and i was like the youngest one there and they had seen every lying shady maneuver and they just saw through all of our shit and i those women saved my life wow i never did heroin again i mean i i continue to do a lot of other things but never did heroin again so it's it's incremental steps of of sobriety yeah it's harm reduction get out of the heroin but what did you do after you stopped doing heroin

oh man i mean i just celebrated eight years of sobriety last monday actually thank you it's a big deal for me. It's a huge deal. Listen, it's awesome. Yeah. It was. What year did I meet you? We met. I remember you were working out your Kim Kardashian stuff.

Okay. So that was 2015 probably. Yeah. Around maybe earlier. Wait a minute. Kim Kardashian stuff was. I felt like it was earlier. The one about if the aliens came down we would have to explain kim kardashian that would be the most difficult

one where you got on the stool oh that's no that's the bruce jenner one yeah the bruce jenner one that was 2000 i started writing and i think 14 15 yeah that was that's about right whenever the vanity fair cover came out yeah that's when i was like okay because i had seen you do stuff before but then i saw that bit and i was like whoa your shit's taken gone to another level at some time in the past couple of years and then you told me to start a podcast yes i did i remember that it was early in the podcast you know with the head and like not everyone had a podcast and i'm glad i i listened to you well you're born for it. You really are a born podcast. You always have a well thought out, but controversial opinion.

You know, like that's controversial, though. It's not to me, but it is to most average like Americans or average, not even Americans. I don't think I really don't think what you and I talk about is controversial. It's controversial to people that only watch CNN and controversial to people that don't read and controversial to people that don't question narratives. They don't go, hey, why are they trying to vaccinate all the fucking kids when we know that it's not bad for kids? What is going on here? What are the long-term safety studies on this? What's the negative side of it? Like, when you say things like that, there's so many people that are like, what is he saying?

This is a conspiracy theory. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, it's not. All these years, we've been skeptical of pharmaceutical companies. That's what's crazy to me. All these years. Especially on the left, which is where we come from. Yes, all these years. Yes.

I mean, I had to dial it back on my big pharma skepticism because I was such a hippie for so many years. And I ended up being really down that rabbit hole of like big pharma. And I worked on weed farms. And there's a lot of talk about that kind of thing up in those environments. And then people were saying, you know, they would point out like well they also develop a lot of other things that help people yeah and because we have we there is competition and it is there there is life-saving vaccines and medicine yeah when i say vaccinate kids i mean for covid 19 no i know clearly but i want to be clear on that so that people don't take this out of context.

They're going to be like, Joe Rogan's an anti-vaxxer. My children are fully vaccinated for everything other than COVID. And they both had COVID. Yeah. I wrote a piece making fun of all of the anti-vaxxers because there was a measles outbreak in L.A. Yes. outbreak in LA. So I wrote a satirical piece about anti-vaxxers and people call me an anti-vaxxer for being against the mandates and the vaxports and things like that. I'm like, not an anti-vaxxer. They basically compare you to like Jenny McCarthy now. The crazy thing, I know it really is funny, but the crazy thing about the vaccine thing is that the mandate in the beginning was dismissed by the White House, was dismissed by Jen Psaki,

the press secretaries, dismissed by everyone. That is not going to happen. That's not possible. We're not going to do this. And then they started implementing it. Yeah. It's a slow, slippery slope. And that's why you got to be very careful of every little piece of ground you give up.

And when people think I'm hyperbolic when I'm talking about that, this is a slow slide into dictatorship. It really is. What the fuck is happening right now in Australia? That is essentially a police state. How did that happen so quickly? Because this is how it goes. This is how it goes when you have this slow slide into authoritarianism. I am reluctant to give new power to politicians. I think it's fucking dangerous. Yeah. Because they're weasels and they're lazy and they don't think things through and they don't think about the greater good of mankind. They think about what's easier for them. What's the easiest way for them to impose their mandates?

And keep their job. Right, right, right. Make the special interest groups that they are really beholden to, make those people happy. What's the best way? Yeah, there's a lot there. The Australia thing's interesting because I remember being in Australia when I was on that cult,

which we've talked about in past episodes. There were... When you were in the cult? When I got stuck on the sex cult. We talked about it, I think. I don't want to bore your listeners. Which one was that? The last one?

It might have been or two ago. Yeah, so I was there, but we were driving around, and I remember there were all these police cameras that just took pictures if you were speeding. And there was already a little bit of a police day vibe in parts of Australia that I was like, huh, I didn't expect this coming from Australia. And when I was going off about Australia,

somebody pushed back and they said, you know, the overwhelming population will get in queues and line up and they're actually very, a people who will actually listen to rules and follow these orders and they have had low counts and whatever but i still think um it's terrifying it's fucking terrifying it's not it's not just terrifying they don't have any

recourse well someone said don't forget because i was like aren't you guys all criminals and it's like yeah but it's also a population of people who were police, essentially. Yeah. And so there's that population down there. Prison, colony, and police. Yeah. All interbreeding. Yeah. I don't know.

Everything feels a little bit out of control. So to go back to when we met, I think I was sober already. I think I was newly sober, just to circle back to when you when we met i think i was sober already i think it was like newly sober just to circle back to that and to anyone wondering when i actually did get sober sober sober it was when i was 35 so like eight years ago and but it was like a long time coming i from the i when i was first in rehab i was 19 and then from 20 to 35 it was like coke and molly and weed and yeah drinking it was i i i lived my life to the fullest but i probably should have died i mean it's a miracle i didn't die did you ever? So right before I got sober, I was doing La Tamale at Coachella,

which sounds as disgusting as you just heard it. But wait, it gets grosser. And I was probably dehydrated because I don't think I had any water in like two days. And I was like doing Molly during the day and doing Blow at Night and drinking through the whole thing. And I was really obsessed with this like blueberry Red Bull that they had. I fucking hate Red Bull, but I was just drinking it with,

and it was like laced with Molly or whatever. So that was like, and then we were in VIP. This is why I'm saying it's going to get grosser, guys. So bear with me. And we're walking and I went down down like I just blacked out. I was like, I looked at my friend, and I was like, I am fucking rolling. And that's the last thing I remember. And I just went down like just a bowling pin,

and apparently into some Australian chicks of all things. And I wake up, come to, and there's like four cops standing around me and they're like, what day is it? And I somehow knew it was Sunday. And I mean, you've been to festivals. You have no idea what day it is, even if you're sober or what time it is. And I knew what time, it was like my brain got a hard reset. I really, I really think my brain was like, we're shutting it down. We need to reset the system. Let's delete some files. Reboot.

Reboot. I came to, I was like freezing cold. And the Australians were like, you have the worst friends. You have the worst friends. The worst friends? Because they weren't too, they were like, eh, she'll be fine. Or they're tripping. One of my friends is one of my best friends from high school, and she and I, she was around

during the heroin days, and we used to go to raves together and do like speed. And so we had been through a lot, and she was like, eh, she's taking a disco nap. And they were like, they called it a disco nap? A disco nap? Your friend called it a disco nap? Oh my God. You have horrible horrible friends that is a very funny statement a disco nap yeah she's taking a disco nap that's a good phrase oh yeah i like that phrase so i came i came to luckily but it was like a bit of a wake-up call and i wasn't young

i was like about to be 35 or maybe i already was 35 like it was a little bit about to be 35, or maybe I already was 35. It was a little bit old to be going down in VIP. Just so gross. It was so gross. I mean, pitiful demoralization. But the fact that your friend said, you're taking a disco nap. They're like, ah, she's fine. Let's keep partying.

Then I found a Yankees hat and i put it on and that's when i knew it's time to get sober so where did you go to get did you go to get sober on did you do it on your own yeah i just so i had tried everything like every i mean i was i was the classic like only drink only drink booze only drink alone only drink with friends only i did the whole marijuana maintenance. Only smoke weed. I got certified in yoga. Become a yoga instructor.

I went to therapy. Literally anything other than 12-step. Because I had been in 12-step when I was 19, 20 that first time. And I hated it. Because I couldn't drink. At all. And I couldn't do anything. And I just, I came up with a big, you know, I came up with a big case against 12 Step.

I was like, it's fear-based and blah, blah, blah and all the God stuff and I was off and running. And I was out, my first husband and I were raging alcoholics. We were in the restaurant and I was in the restaurant industry for a long time in my life. That industry is riddled with alcoholism and drugs and partying. And so I was just around it, too, all the time. And then around 35, after that Coachella, that summer, I had just gotten back from traveling around the world for like two years. I was very lost. I was in L.A LA and I didn't know what I was doing anymore. I felt confused. I went back east, worked in a restaurant where I had been. And it was like this whole, I fell immediately

into the rut. I was like sleeping with the same douchebags I slept with when I'd been there like seven years before, doing tons of drugs burning bridges with my family and I was coming back to LA after just my sister wouldn't let me stay with her and rightfully and I was a mess and I was coming back and I was like I'm gonna cop heroin and kill myself basically I was just so internally it was not necessarily like many of my rock bottoms were actually physical or my first one. I lost everything. This was more emotional. And, yeah, I was I went for a hike.

I went up to like to Mescal because I was like, well, before I cop heroin, I should maybe pause and go for a hike. heroin I should maybe pause and go for a hike and sometime on that hike I decided to go to a meeting that night because I'd done an experimental year of sobriety in like 2010 what was it about the hike that I was sweating and my I was like sweating out I was just toxic I could feel how toxic I was I could smell how toxic I was and what it smelled like oh Chemicals? Chemicals and blow and probably like baby powder. Everything just booze. And I had been smoking a lot of weed to try and chemically balance all of it. And I ended up getting to the top and something, it was like, they call it like, it was like a window of grace. I don't know.

It was like one small window of willingness. I don't, I don't know. Window was like one small window of willingness. I don't know. A window of grace? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it was like they say there are these kind of opportunities where you can walk through a door of willingness if you're really at rock bottom and trying to get. And I've joked about this before.

I made alcoholism look amazing. I had a lot of fun. joked about this before I made alcoholism look amazing like I had a lot of fun I was I was killed I was like from the outside it looked okay it was just internally I felt like I was rotting to the core and I also couldn't really get out of my own way and so I went to a meeting and I didn't even I wasn't like I'm getting sober I just didn't know what else to do and I was miserable I mean I was fucking miserable the first two years of my sobriety but it was better than feeling like I wanted to kill myself and so I just kept walking through it and doing what they told me to do they're like get a stupid job so I was waiting tables and like why did they say to get a stupid

job they're just you know a lot of times you have this kind of idea of being a big shot or not that I did at all. I was still waiting tables and like broke all the time. But it's really just this idea of like being a worker among workers. Like put yourself in a get a day job so you can pay your bills and not be dependent and struggling and put yourself in. Because sometimes it's like people who come from you know finance or whatever they were big shots and then they kind of lose everything and so then they tell them to get a job everybody themselves well yeah just for just for consistency and to be responsible and to have to show up and i mean i really realized I started drinking when I was 12 and pretty alcoholically by the time I was 15.

And I were fucking 12. Yeah, I was young. I mean, nobody was paying attention. No. And my parents got divorced right around that age. And yeah, I started I was off to the races. And then it was just by the time I was 19, I was in, it made a lot of sense. And I was in rehab for heroin and then got off that.

But that kind of not being, I use that as an excuse to be like, oh, I'm not an addict because I'm not doing heroin anymore. So I use that to stay out for a long time as an excuse of like well as long as I'm not doing heroin because anyone would get addicted to that and so yeah I mean it was a long long journey to sobriety and then I I was very miserable and somehow and then around two years like the rubber just started meeting the road I got my first column at Playboy. I sold my first freelance writing piece. I started doing, you have so much energy when you get sober for somebody like me, who is wasting a lot of it just drinking and partying, that I just had to do a lot of different things. And I couldn't really deny that my quality of life improving drastically and starting to do things that I'd always wanted to do, like be a paid writer.

It didn't seem like an accident that it was a couple of years after I had been sober that these things started happening. And so while it was happening, did you follow any protocol? Did you like did you follow any advice from books? I was in 12 step, like full on in. But what didn't you like about that? What didn't you like about the 12 Step? When I first left the 12 Steps or just when I was in them? Just in general.

Well, I had a lot of reason to think that abstinence isn't the only way, which they found isn't for everybody. It is for me because there's no middle ground with substance. I started smoking cigarettes in sobriety. This is a perfect example of how there's no mid ground. And I was so mad because I quit everything. And I started smoking cigarettes in 2015. And I had one cigarette at a meeting. And I was like, all all right i'll have a cigarette

and then i was off to the fucking races smoking pack a day within like weeks i'm like if this is any example of what i'll be like with booze or anything i just know there's not i do not some people can be moderate they have that ability and i envy the fuck out of it. So there's a difference between people who are alcoholics, like they have a genetic propensity to alcoholism, and then people who just get in these bad ruts. Right. I think I have. My grandfather was an alcoholic.

I come from a long line of very high-functioning alcoholics or maybe not even high functioning what is your nationality um i'm french italian and irish but i'm mostly irish fucking irish i know part yeah that's a problem yeah yeah and my family made it look it was like a uh the our culture i have one alcoholic in my family my culture my grandfather on my father's side who was the irishman okay that's where i'm one quarter irish my grandfather on my father's side came from ireland he was a drunk okay yeah yeah i just i i tried everything i tried everything too it wasn't like i was 20 anymore i was 35 and i tried everything so i and it was just easier at that

point it's it was just easier at that point. When I was trying to be moderate, like I'm just going to have a glass of wine, I'm just going to have two glasses of wine, the amount of energy that it takes me to do that, it's just a waste of energy. I actually am glad that I have an addiction that I can just remove because so many people with behavioral addictions,

that shit's hard. So explain to me what it's like. So you say,'s hard so explain to me like what it's like so you you say i'm just gonna have a glass of wine and then when you have that glass of wine like what happens i don't know it's like it's like i'm like a gremlin i don't it's like two you pour it's like pouring water on a gremlin i think it's when you feed them after midnight it's whatever it is when you pour water on they multiply but when you it's also when you feed them after midnight i mean i i don't know how i lived through all those years truly i i do feel like serial killers are sleeping on the job through most of the like early aughts i don't know how i i was so reckless and it's dangerous

as a woman i don't i don't really know how i made it reckless and it's dangerous as a woman. I don't really know how I made it through. I think there's a lot of people out there living like that, though. Oh, fuck. Because there's so many people that lack structure and discipline and guidance. And then you add in the propensity to alcoholism that many people have. And then you add in the fact that, I mean, come on, what percentage of people go out and have a few drinks? Yeah.

A huge percentage. Like what percentage of people that work all day long and then the weekend rolls around and they get together with friends from the office, they go, let's go have a few drinks. That's fucking 65, 75%. That's fine though. But did you see the numbers during COVID of like alcoholism? Oh yeah. It's crazy. People were just day drinking all day long.

We played a video of this guy who was jogging through his neighborhood who was pointing out the recyclables. Oh, yeah. How many people? Did you ever see that video? I did see that. It's like, what the fuck is going on? This guy's like, everybody's getting drunk. Yeah.

Yeah. It's real minding. I mean, I think that, yeah, I would have one drink or say I was going to. I mean, here's a perfect example. One time I went out to my local. This was when I was living in LA and I was like, I'm just going to have one margarita. And we went to this local place, my friends and I, and the next thing I remember, I woke up and had like permanent marker written on my face. And there was some dude sleeping in my place. And I mean, mean it was and like my friend was

there passed out too but i was like what happened what was the marker on your face what did it say i don't even remember what it said it said something i can't remember even what it said it wasn't like slut or anything i that happened when i was much younger that happened to me when i was in high school and my mom had to pick me up and it was Mother's Day and someone had written slut on my forehead in permanent marker. Yeah. I mean, that should have been a sign to my mom that maybe things were going off the rails. Hey, mom, maybe you don't deserve an award. Maybe you don't get a card this year.

Do better, mom. You fucked up, mom. Yeah. Should have been there yeah no that it just i think that there's there's so much to all of it that's my story is not original there's a lot i think there's an there's a piece that i've been wanting to write for like years about how um i regret being a slut like there and i don't want to slut shame myself or anyone. But I really was like hypersexual for many of my years. And I thought that I could kind of sleep my way to empowerment.

And it was such a lie that I told myself. And I see young women struggling with a lot of this stuff now. What do you mean by sleeping your way to empowerment like there's this whole message of like you can kind of fuck whoever you want and like it's you know having sex like men get to do it and women can do it too and I just I I think that the the shame that I came into sobriety with so much of it was around my sexual history and sexual life and i think about how little self-esteem and self-worth i mean that was really what it got down to when i really started drilling down and what i still wrestle with to a certain extent is just a feeling of

it's way better but at the core of it is worthlessness and um did that but that has to come from childhood right um i shouldn't say has to i mean i think it's maybe starts there but i don't i don't know a lot of it became choices that i was making that reinforced that idea so maybe there's some stuff from childhood that you feel worthless for whatever reason. And I think being raised Catholic doesn't help always. No, but I mean, if you're being ignored to the extent that you're drinking at 12

and you're becoming a full-blown alcoholic at 15, clearly you're not getting the attention you need. Kids need a certain amount of mentorship. They need a certain amount of independence and freedom, but they need a certain amount of love and attention. Yeah. They just need it. I think we just had we had my dad traveled a lot. They got divorced.

So there wasn't a real strong male figure in my life. get a lot of that kind of self esteem and from their father or the a good male figure in their life kind of telling them that they're there and women and from their mothers too. But really, I don't know, it seems like it does come from the male role model in their life. And then my mom married my stepdad. And that was a shit show. It was just like, um, he was mentally ill and, oh God, I never talked about any of this. It was, um, yeah, it was, uh, it was a lot. It was like in and out of mental institutions and we never knew what we were coming home to and a lot of craziness. And, um, she was caught up with him, you know, trying to deal with him and his, uh, he took on a lot. He took on five kids. I'm the oldest of five. He was young when they got married. I don't know,

which should have been the first sign that he was crazy. Um, truly. Um, but yeah, that was, and I think that everyone in the family suffered. You know, everyone, no one really came out of that environment unscathed. But we all, my siblings and I are all super close, and we have supported one another, and I'm, like, amazed at the lives they've built. We always joke, we're like, we did a horrible job raising our parents. We did a really bad job raising built. We always joke. We're like, we did a horrible job raising our parents. We did a really bad job raising them. But we did.

I mean, I think, yeah, probably raising yourself isn't a great thing for a teenage girl. And then I was, I was such a good kid. I was like straight A student. I was like a child.

I was serious. While you were an alcoholic? No, I mean, up to a certain point it started falling apart. But we moved every year and a half. I was serious. While you were an alcoholic? No. I mean, up to a certain point, it started falling apart. But we moved every year and a half. I managed to keep straight A's. And I was like on that fast track to Harvard.

I wanted to go to an Ivy League school. And shit gets hard when you're, that's what I feel like people sometimes don't understand. And a lot of people kind of in the elite media don't seem to understand this. If you're worried about your food or your parents or some shit going on at home, it gets hard to pay attention to your homework and care about these things. If your family system is out of control and you're not. And there's a lot of children in these kinds of environments. Well, I'm concerned about the state of these institutions across the board anyway.

But for sure, it's really hard for people to sustain that sort of any kind of an education schedule. Yeah, and it starts to seem petty. Like you're like, oh, my step threatened to like kill himself and is in a mental ward and like i'm supposed to give a shit about my math homework it just seems stupid and my mom is like falling apart so yeah it just wasn't um it became less of a priority and then i didn't have anybody on me but then because of that i i felt like it was my fault. And in some ways it was. And I started using drugs and alcohol to cope with just that environment. And I gave up on myself at like a very young age. And this is one of the things that I talk to a lot of teenagers and young 20 year olds, and they have

had challenges or been derailed from what they thought they were going to do. And they're like, well, I'm 23. So I guess my life is over. I'm like, you're so young. I want to shake you and tell you all if you are in your 20s. But I know that feeling. I felt that way when I was 19 and in rehab, like I just fucked up my whole life. And even though I was 19 and could have easily gone back to college and got a degree and had plenty of time I was so disappointed in myself and I could not forgive myself for that or get over that disappointment and then you just start burying yourself in more uh shame shame is strong man shame is shame will keep you in a cycle forever yeah yeah and not having anything to boost your self-esteem, right? You didn't have anything that you were really particularly good at that you could go to and

invest all your time and energy into that. I mean, I might have, but it was, and that's like a kind of, when you say you might have, I think that I was really into the arts and yeah, it's a, it's a, but you weren't getting feedback, right right you weren't doing something where you're being successful on a regular basis the one person who was supportive was my stepdad and he it was like it was not good right you always say it got weird yeah the arts like what do you mean by the arts i mean i was acting and i was like wanted to be a writer and was very into all that stuff and i was going to film school for a minute after I got out of rehab. And I really loved all of that. And I think had I had some support,

even when I got out of rehab that I could have continued that. But yeah, I think if you don't have the, you need support from people and you need encouragement, like you said. And then I, that's one of the reasons though that i do value my self-esteem so much because it it's been built like brick by brick from scratch on my own and you're such a good friend i mean you really you do notice when i'm like not a good place you'll reach out and be like are you okay well i know you're tweeting some weird things i know your waves you know and i love you so when things are weird with you uh there's i mean there are times where

it gets it's definitely it's it's i'm competing against people who had what i wanted what do you mean and even in like the the think piece and even in the space of like the writers and the people who are writing these columns and sub stacks and all these things, not so much in comedy, but in in the writing world, it's like all academics and people who generally went to colleges and they seem like they had loving parents and support. Yeah. And I sometimes feel like I don't belong in that world. Oh, that's so crazy. I have like imposter syndrome. That's crazy. You can't think like that.

You're a brilliant writer and you write really interesting shit and it's funny and it's insightful. And I don't think you can think about what other people are doing. No, it's not. I don't think you should compare yourself to them people. I don't think you should ever say, you know, I'm competing with them. Well, it's like I feel like I don't have the like pedigree to be in the space. Neither did Bukowski.

Some of the best writers ever were just interesting people. I'm just being honest. I understand what you're saying, but I think that's a bad pattern. It's a bad pattern to uh to to nurse in your head yeah don't i don't nurse it i'm just being honest about when you sense those moments that's what it is cycles it's me feeling like imposter syndrome like what am i doing imposter syndrome never goes away kid i have it still really yeah for what everything everything everything I've done everything I used to have it when I fought I used to have it when uh you know like I have it with

comedy I have it with podcasting I have it with UFC I have with everything that's fascinating to me it's part of being a person who is ruthlessly introspective and is constantly analyzing the work that you do and constantly trying to fix it and make it better and and doing a lot of self-auditing like come on everything with everything i do i mean that's part of it too is i'm just very hard on myself yeah not even i'm competing mostly with myself that's why you're good that's just that's part of the the thing the sooner you realize that that we all do that the better off You'll be I was laughing so hard though. You're checking on me once when I We need about I

Was like I just googled out to get rid of my jowls and you're like are you okay? I'm like well now I really feel like I'm not okay clearly i'm googling how to get rid of my jowls but it i i'm also honest about i'm i try to be very honest about those struggles because i know i'm not alone i know so many people yeah we're not alone not alone. No. No one's alone. Yeah, I can't project like that. I just don't have, I sometimes look at the confidence that you have people. I'm like, where do you get this? It's a different thing.

It's not necessarily like, people think of confidence as being like, there's no, it's almost like if you have a pie chart, right? And how much of you believes you can do it? If it's ever like if you have a pie chart, right? And how much of you believes you can do it? If it's ever a hundred percent, you're a psychopath. It's not a hundred. It's, there's a lot going on on that pie chart. Right. The thing is like, what do you concentrate on? I concentrate on the process and how much work I've done. Like the thing that gives me confidence before I do a standup show or anything is that I put in the work. Right done. Like the thing that gives me confidence before I do a stand-up show or anything is that I put in the work. Right. That's the thing that gives me confidence.

Right. That I've done a lot of practice shows. You know, that I constantly work in town before I do these arena shows. I constantly go over my notes. I don't just wing it. Yeah. And if I don't do that, then I will really feel like a piece of shit. Right.

Because I'm like, you have all these opportunities, and then you're not putting in the work. Right, right. Like, you're half-assing this. You can't half-ass it. So as long as I don't half-ass it, then I know I can do it. But it still feels crazy. Yeah. Everything feels crazy.

Yeah. Everything, from the success of the podcast to going on stage in front of fucking 16,000 people. It feels fucking insane. It doesn't feel real. That's amazing, though. Right before I do it, I'm like, this can't be real. I love seeing those videos.

I love them. They're so bizarre. I know, but it's so exciting because I actually think you're a good person and you deserve your success. And I know you work very hard for it. You're one of the hardest working people I know. And you're dedicated to your process. And you're not just full of shit you know there there's there's like this the one of the jokes I used to always tell is about how in the secret the guy is like you know and I just had this idea for

a book and then I envision the checks coming in the mail and the checks just showed up and I'm like yeah you wrote the fucking book in between that that's like where most people get tripped up is doing that work and setting those habits and being hard on yourself and working out and being diligent and and having some talent too you know there's a lot of people out there that are just whatever it is their brain just doesn't fit the square peg into the square hole it's just like earth earth they just you know there's some people that just don't get you have to have some kind of talent but that secret thing used to drive me fucking crazy used to drive me so mental there's a sad story it's not sad but it's kind of sad

there was a girl who used to come to the comic store she's very nice i think she was a friend of kelly kirsten's and so she uh she around. We were all hanging out and it was like a normal night. Everything was normal. It wasn't anything crazy. I don't even think she was drunk. And she goes, I'm so happy. And I go, okay, why are you happy? And she goes, because I know that I am going to have the perfect career. I know that I'm going to be in the perfect relationship and I know that I am going to have the perfect career. I know that I'm going to be in the perfect relationship. And I know that everything's going to work out. And I said, how do you know that? And she goes, I know because I've been reading The Secret.

Oh, God. And I just like, it was like the record skipped. Yeah. Oh, you poor kid. She was so nice, though. Like, I didn't have the heart to tell her. You know, I didn't want to dash her dreams. It was one of the rare moments where I didn't feel like dashing someone's dream so I remember saying

well good luck and because I had a friend of mine who's into that too he was like he was a musician and he's he's envisioning himself in front of 25,000 people rock he had all these these ideas no it didn't work it doesn't work like I this is what I so this is a story. So this, but I'm telling you, this girl was like locked in. She believed. And so I didn't see her for a good solid year and a half, maybe more. And then the next time I saw her was at the UCB. And I was outside and I was about to go in and I ran into her. She's coming to the show.

I go, hey, what's up? How you doing? How's it been? And she's like, it's just not going like I thought it was going to go. Like, I'm not, everything's not going, I go, the last time I talked to you, you were telling me about the secret and all that stuff.

And she goes, yeah, I don't know why, but it's just not working. My father's an asshole and I can't, you know, my job is not working, I can't get the career I wanted is not working I can't get the career I wanted and I still didn't have the heart to tell her she was nice and she's a little naive but my perspective on these things is always you can't listen to someone who succeeded and say that the reason why they did it is because they believed and then they had a vision and they manifested it

through the the power of attraction the law of attraction that's not real when you're only talking to winners if you could talk to everyone who had a dream like acting is the best example right because acting is probably the number one most failed at attempt in careers, especially in Hollywood, which one of the weirder things about living in Los Angeles is that whether you know it or not, you're around failed actors. Like there's a lot of my wife's former friends like that, you know, you would dig below the surface and then you'd find, oh, they came out here to be an actor. Right.

And I think there's this false sense that you can make it because the opposite of that is that you're always surrounded by people who have made it. Yeah. So you're always surrounded by failed actors, but as these actors who are trying to make it, they know someone who knows someone who did or they're friends with someone who's making it.

And so there's this false idea that you know everybody can and then what fucked it up even worse is reality shows because then you didn't even have to have talent then there's this injection of new possibility just you could make it for no fucking reason whatsoever yeah it was almost like a magic trick like all of a sudden like we found a hack to the system you got the cheat code you got the god code and And now you can run through the video game without getting shot. Like, what? You don't even have to have talent? No auditions at all.

No auditions at all. I mean, you audition, I think. You just smack people in the face on TV and spill wine over someone's head. And next thing you know, you're a fucking star, baby. They not only audition you, they psychologically profile you. Oh, yeah. They want you to be crazy. Yeah.

I've gone through these. I have. Yeah, I'm sure you have. I was going to be on The Real World when I was like 23. I made it all the way to the final round. Thank God I didn't. Thank God you didn't.

Because man, I would be dead. You'd be fine. Theo Vaughn made it through. So my point about it was that these people that think that just because someone is successful and they'll tell you, what I did was I put a photograph on the, I sound like The Rock.

I put a photograph on the wall of me walking the red carpet. I took a photo of a house. That's going to be my home on the top of a hill. Like they have all these ideas. Like vision boards. Yeah, vision boards. But what's going on is these are people that did all the right things and also had a vision. Right.

But they did all the right things. And luck. And luck. Luck is a big. Luck. It's a big factor. And not having bad luck. Even if you don't have good luck.

Not getting hit by a car while you're jogging. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of shit that goes wrong with people that's just bad luck. Yeah. So it's not just good luck has to happen. Bad luck has to not happen yeah so if you're talking to these fucking assholes that are like i've got my own jet and the reason why is because i used the power of positive attraction the law of attraction led me to victory and i can help you yeah like those people are assholes yeah because you're

telling people that there's a simple solution to one of the most complex nuanced problems trying to be successful in this open-ended world of possibilities yeah especially in something that is re like has a very small percentage of people that are actually successful yeah yeah yeah a very small very small it's almost like you know there's this narrative that stand-up comedy is one of the most difficult jobs in all of show business but i almost want to say it's not and this is why because at least you get a chance to try and practice it's one of the rare art forms where you may not make any money at it for a long time,

but there's opportunities at open mic nights where you can practice. And you get to communicate with other comics. One of the things about comics I find is that generally the nice ones, the good ones, are willing to talk to people that are on the way up and give them advice because it's so hard. You're one of the few.

I don't think you think so. Joe, you have the benefit of everyone treating you like Joe Rogan. So I'm not sure you always see how people treat other people. I don't know that everybody is like that. I think you're one of the few. There are some, but I don't know that that's common. I think for sure I do it a lot, and I do it on purpose, but I think it's rubbed off on a lot of people too. I know a lot of other comics that I'm friends with that do it as well yeah so i'm speaking out of my circle like my yeah my circle of friends are very good at it like ari shafir is amazing

ari's amazing he's amazing yeah he was just posting this incredible bit of shane gillis's it's on his instagram right now yep and he's so supportive of my favorite comedian adrian appaloochee in the entire world and he's a huge fan of hers. And she always talks about just how great he is and how great he's been. And she is truly, truly one of the funniest people out there right now. Yes. She's really, really funny. Just, I mean, she does, there's no, hits every third rail. It's crazy.

No, she's wild. And Ari is a giant supporter of her. Mark Norman, he's a giant supporter. I love Mark. Ari, he took the torch he really did yeah he followed that example i agree and he has great instincts as far as like supporting the art um but you can be an amateur and make it yeah you can do it like i think it's probably the path is clearer for that than it is for acting oh god acting's acting so hard this but it's so

crazy because you get chosen you have to that's why they all have no opinions that's what i love about stand-up is no one can stop you right you no one's stopping you from getting up and trying things out and there's no gatekeepers really at all right and acting, there's still a lot of gatekeeping that goes on. If you're funny, like I was having this conversation with Ali Wong and she agreed. We were like, I think it's a meritocracy.

Like it's one of the rare meritocracy. Like if you're a killer, if you go out there and just fucking murder, people are like, holy shit. They want to use you. Yeah. And they want you to do more shows

because the audience loves you and they want to, when are you going to be here again? And they want to bring their friends. That's a meritocracy. Yeah. Really. In some ways. It's not pure. Right. There's clearly people get ahead when they shouldn't because they're friends with people or they schmooze or. Yeah. I mean, I also do. Being that. I mean, speaking of Ali Wong, i love her so much because especially with like her specials fully pregnant i'm like oh my god two of them two of them must fuck a lot just two of them up there just it's like how do you time that i wonder if she did the second one on purpose after the first one was so successful being pregnant but i I do, being that I'm pregnant, I was like in that first, I'm announcing this right now. Nobody knows.

Nobody knows. Now you've just told the world. Yes. Instead of a gender reveal party, I'm burning down California. I'm going to do a gender reveal podcast. Yeah, just spray pink flammable fluid everywhere. It's a girl. Yeah, being that in that first trimester,

I was like, oh, this is why there aren't women in everything. Not as many women, you know, when you talk about it. And I was thinking about just doing comedy. I'm like, oh, my God, how did Allie and all these other women who have done this? And when you're feeling sick and hormonal and you want to get on stage and cry and you're actually just like

I was like I don't know how women do it ever anything and have other kids that they have to deal with when they're feeling sick and working I mean women are bad asses well if men just had to if men just had to work carrying a fucking 45-pound backpack, you know?

I mean, if you had a regular job, right, and now you have to do the regular job with a 45-pound backpack, then you would realize, like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Yeah, it makes me realize why it's in particular just like comedy. It still is predominantly male. I think still. Well, I think women have a really good shot at it if they're funny because there's not that many of them. But if they do decide to have a family, then it gets much more complicated. Yeah.

Much, much more complicated. Yeah. How are you going to tour? How are you going to tour and take care of the babies you know i've one thing that i've seen people do that's kind of interesting is like male and female comics get together and they have a baby and then they decide like okay you go out this weekend i'll go like tom and christina yeah i remember seeing christina up at the comedy store right after she had a baby, and

she was freaking hilarious. She's like, I haven't left my house. I'm losing my fucking mind. I was like, I'm fucking losing it. She's fucking funny. I know. I love her. I love them both.

I love them both, too. I worked with Tom last night. He was on the show with Dave and I. Okay. And Donnell and Jeff Ross. It was amazing. But Christina's one of the best comics alive. Yeah's hilarious she's so insightful she's hilarious on her podcast too oh yeah yeah i just love them she's awesome she's got it she's got insight like she sees

things yeah like she points things out and also like she doesn't tolerate any nonsense no she's a no-nonsense person like you know like people. She sends me some hilarious shit, like memes and stuff or stories in the news. Like, what the fuck is this? She comes from these old-school European parents. Yeah, they're the best. Yeah, hard-working people. They raise you like that. There's no nonsense in her.

I think it makes you a good parent, though, too. Because you're not tolerating as much. and she doesn't there's no nonsense in her I think it makes you a good parent though too it's like you because you're not tolerating as much yeah you know but I do want to shout out the very small business

that made this sweatshirt for me Squid Print DGT they're direct to garment printing I love small businesses as you know and I should give them credit

because they are amazing well I'm on the side of the government I'd like all small businesses to fold and target to take over everything. They're getting crushed by inflation and

the supply. She was talking the other day. It's cost her $10,000 in two months between the inflation and the supply stuff and the pandemic and the shutdown. Let me ask you, because you're probably aware of this. What the fuck is going on? What is this supply chain problem? Why are there so many boats off the coast

of California? Because someone told me it's a half a million cargo ships off the coast of California. A friend of mine said- I'm not sure what the numbers are. I know that there was a great thread that I retweeted the other day. A guy went in and was like, here's what's actually going on. And I know a lot of it- What did he say? Well, one of the biggest problems is the bottleneck is zoning.

It has something to do with containers and they can't stack the containers. And this is in California. I do think there's a trucking problem as well. Part of it being that they did that, you know, the whole PRO Act thing. Not PRO Act, I guess. It was the AB5, which we've talked about before, when that affected truckers as independent contractors. Explain AB5 to people, please. So it was about categorizing independent contractors as workers, basically.

So if you worked a certain number of hours, you needed to be considered brought on as an employee. And it made it very hard for people to hire anybody if you are a corporation because you couldn't hire independent contractors. It was such a bad law bill they had to do carve outs for basically everyone they should have just repealed it it was horrible it's the one that woman Lorena Gonzalez who is like fucking Elon Musk on Twitter and then he left but she's the one woman? She's like an assemblywoman in California, and she's behind this bill AB5. She said, fuck Elon Musk? Yeah, on Twitter.

And then she left? What do you mean? And then he left. He left what? He left California with all of his business. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so, I mean, I guess we know how that worked out.

But so she- I doubt he left because of her. No, I'm kidding. I was confused. Um, but so she, I doubt he left because of her. No, I'm kidding. I was confused. I was just, it was like one of those, how, how, you know, like how it's, how it was,

how it's been, how it's going. It's like her and now he's like, I'm out of here. Yeah. And she, it affected you because of writing. Well, then they did, I think they did another carve out, but yeah, you, people couldn't hire me because I couldn't 1099. Then they would have had to put me, if you write a certain number of articles, it affected everybody and hairdressers, people who really needed to be independent contractors. The problem I have with this push against independent contractors and now PROACT, which is the federal version of this, which they

keep trying to push through, is that people like to be independent contractors. They act like they're being forced into this agreement when many people like to be able to choose when they want to work or when they want to drive. So this was really brought about because of Uber and Lyft. And they were saying that they were abusing them and they needed to bring them on and Postmates. And obviously many of these companies do take advantage of this situation. And you will hear from an Uber driver how much they're getting screwed. So I think there needs to be something, but I don't think that the whole concept of Uber is that you aren't an employee right like there's there's certainly room for

independent operators in in a host of different jobs and when you over regulate like that when you think you're helping people out and you wind up hurting people they have to change the law like why don't they repeal it i don't know it was it started a lot of people a lot of people i knew left california before the pandemic because of AB5. Single mothers, many people who were affected by it. It affected people who were working, people with disabilities who were able to be independent contractors. I mean, a lot of people have side gigs for that reason. And now because they can save money for college for their kids or whatever,

and they don't want to go work for eight hours and have to clock in. Obviously. And it's something that's very infuriating to me. So that is why. Isn't there something also that has to do with the age of the trucks? Didn't they pass a regulation and say that trucks can only be a certain age? Oh, I don't know anything about that. I mean, I know it seems to be like a confluence of fuckery that's causing this.

But mostly in California. Mostly in California. Because in Florida, they just opened up their ports and Ron DeSantis was on TV basically saying, come on over. Right. Come on over and open up your ships. But like where you're going to go through the Panama Canal? I mean, I don't even know what that would cost. Well, he wants to change the way people ship, the ship through Florida instead and saying, listen, it's available.

And then also he's also giving five thousand dollars to every police officer that relocates to Florida. Yeah, I saw that. Isn't that wild? Because they're firing all these fucking cops. And he's saying, not only will I hire you, but I'll give you five thousand dollars to relocate to Florida. And I think he was being misrepresented because they were saying he was like only the unvaccinated, but he was making the offer to anybody in law enforcement,

a police officer, not just the unvaccinated ones. Who said that? Just on Twitter, they were saying, oh, like he was being misrepresented, obviously, by like news organizations. Like DeSantis, you know, says he will give like five thousand dollars to the unvaccinated police officers. But it's like he'll give it to anybody who wants to come.

Right. Well, the conceit is that most of these people that are getting fired are unvaccinated. So back to the shipping, I'm not an expert in this. There's many people who it's shocking, actually, how little information that you can get but this one guy who just like has a business when went and rented a boat and like talked to people for hours about what the problem was and within hours of him doing this thread that went viral they had relaxed the zoning laws in Long Beach to help with this bottleneck which is part of the problem and oh yes thank you yesterday i rented a boat it's a long thread and took the leader of flex ports partners

in long beach for a three hour of the i guess that tour three hour tour of the port complex here's a thread about what I learned. So everyone should read that, and it's really fascinating. Give me a little bit of it. It says, first off, the boat captain said we were the first company to ever rent his boat to tour the port to see how everything was working up close. His usual business is doing the memorial services at sea.

He said, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah. The ports of L.A. Long Beach are at a standstill. In a full three-hour loop through the port complex, passing every single terminal, we saw less than a dozen containers get unloaded. There are hundreds of cranes. I counted only seven that were even operating, and those that were seemed to be going pretty slow. It seemed that everyone now agrees the bottleneck yard is yard space at the container terminals. The terminals are simply overflowing with containers, which means they no longer have space to take in new containers,

either from ships or land. It's a true traffic jam. Right now, if you have a chassis with no empty container on it, you can, by the way, this guy's name is TypesFast on Twitter. His name is Ryan Peterson, and his handle is Types peterson and his handle is types fast uh you can go pick up containers at any port terminal however if you have an empty container on that chassis they are not allowing you to return it except on highly on a highly restricted basis uh if you can't get the empty off the chassis you don't have a chassis to go pick up the next container and if nobody goes to pick up

the next container the port remains jammed i mean it's crazy he he goes on and on it's like crazy is that pete budaj during this whole time is on paternity leave and you just want to go listen man i understand it's hard to raise a child but but isn't that supposed to be for the person who gave birth? It's crazy. Yeah, you're right. Do men take paternity leave? Now over 70 ships containing 500,000 containers are waiting offshore. 500,000.

But he was saying this negative feedback loop that is rapidly cycling out of control, that if it continues unabated, it will destroy the global economy. I'm like, that's a nice one to just slide in there. Okay. Yeah. So it's complicated, but I do know the trucking stuff has something to do with it too because there was already problems with truckers.

They kind of abandoned California. This is what it looked like two years ago. This is a visualization of like the data they use on a map. So we're watching trucks or ships come in. Just a couple ships. Just a couple ships. This is 2019. This is last week. Why are there so many? Because they're all stuck. This is 2019. And this is last week. Why are there so many?

Because they're all stuck. I mean, this is why. Oh, that's why? Yeah. Because they're stuck? Yeah, they're all floating around out here waiting to find space to come into there to go wait, and they can kind of get in there. Like you said, if there's only seven out of hundreds of cranes emptying them, then they're waiting. It's nuts.

Yeah. It's nuts. And that's why you can't buy toys. And it's also affecting small businesses. Yeah. You know, it's just that it definitely feels like a clusterfuck. But who's responsible? Is this like people are blaming Pete Buttigieg because of the fact that he's on paternity leave.

They're saying he's the secretary of transportation. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure. I mean, that was a weird one because i never know when those stories it's like uh is this just like a partisan thing where you just want to like yell at the guy because but it is kind of crazy it is the craziest thing to me was the picture of them in the fucking hospital bed yeah that's where i was like like it's just like you didn't you weren't in a hospital i mean maybe i don't know if they were there for the you know surgery for the birth maybe

the the the you know surrogate was but it wasn't but it's on the they were in the house they're they were on the bed where women give birth. Yeah. It was like a birthing table. Yeah. See, that's what's weird. Yeah. That was a little bit much for me. But it's like, but here's the thing. One of you should do that. One of you should take care of the children.

Like this idea that both parents should get maternity and paternity leave at the same time is a little weird. I don't think so. You don't think so? I don't. Why? only because i have a german cousin and they get the shit i mean they get like a full year for the woman and nine months for the husband that's great you want to live in germany because in america you got to work like here's the thing if you have a small business you're the one who loves small businesses okay right yeah imagine no maternity leave. Imagine if you have an employee and this is your fucking CEO of your little company or whatever. And the wife has a baby and the husband's like, I'm taking four months off. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

I need paternity leave. Like he's been off since August. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think it's- Yeah, thank you. It's a little crazy. I don't live in germany i'm not it's interesting it is it's interesting i what boggles my mind is why conservatives aren't

all over maternity leave like that seems like a no-brainer for the the conservative side because they want business they want businesses to operate right but you still if you're if everybody should be in support of like a woman shouldn't have to lose her job if But you still, if you're, if everybody should be in support of like a woman shouldn't have to lose her job if she has a baby. If you're going to be supportive of women having children and you want women are to encourage women to have children, you have to give them some support in the aftermath of giving birth to a fucking baby. I agree.

I agree as a, like a social thing and as for society for our culture for community for the baby however if you're running a business and then you have to pay someone and they're not there because they decided to have a baby this is the reason why men are more likely to get hired for certain roles because they're worried. Men can have babies, Joe. Sure. Women! Women! I mean, right?

I'm not, this is again, this is not my argument. I'm not for this. But what I'm saying is if you're a person who is looking to hire someone for a job and you're hiring a woman who is trying to get pregnant and then you're going to have to pay her, but you still need the job done, but now you're paying her and she's not there. Like unless this is some sort of a national program

where our tax dollars go to subsidize. In Germany it is national. That's my point. That's my point. So this is the difference. Well, with Pete Buttigieg, I mean, I don't know what his deal is, but I don't know if he has anything to do with the shipping issue. But what I had read was that, like, how is he?

And again, this is from hardcore Republicans that were tweeting this type of stuff and writing these kind of articles. I'm skeptical. But my thing is, like, you didn't give birth. Right. Like, you're on. I know. But should the dad be able to take off work too like again the dad should have a role in raising the child but it is a situation where like what is what's the the right protocol like should a dad be able to take off three months to take care of i mean google gives paternity leave like three months first of all

they've got more money than God. Those crazy fucks. They probably just pay people. It's not just about the baby. The mom needs support in the aftermath of giving birth. Oh, 100%. It's not just to bond with a kid.

I think a lot of mothers need... I don't know. So much of this is just a question of it feels like we don't have the same social cohesion and family structures that we used to have where you would be living close to your family and family would help you take care of the baby. Mom and dad would come over. And your mother-in-law. Right. You had all this support and now people who are living in cities and working for these massive corporations and they don't.

For the massive corporations, all this makes sense to me. Right. But when you're dealing with like, this is why. When things get weird, it's like, okay, small business. Okay, but then what if someone has a significant role, like a really important role in like government? A really important role in something that's very important. important role in in in something that's very important i'm just thinking even from my own personal circumstance if my right hand woman maggie who's like my co-producer on everything and works for me what if she wanted you to pay her if she had a baby take off i'd be fucked what

if she wanted you to pay her i mean i would i mean i want to be supportive, but I would be fucked. How many months? How many months would you give her free money? I mean, I don't know. I know. See, this is it. That's the thing. So I think you and I are very similar in that we come from the left. And I think people need support. I'm still such a bleeding heart lefty, but I'm also a small business owner and know many small business owners.

And you're also a realist. And I'm also a realist. And I see the damage of giving away free money and beloved California and know that that doesn't always work out the way you want. Like the law of unintended consequences is very real. And so I'm I don't know. But on a personal level level i want to support women having kids and i want to make it so that they don't feel worried about losing their job and can spend those early months just doting on their child and i i think the family systems

and nurturing their child and i think that that the that is one of the things that's lacking in our country right now is that, you know, family core structure. Yes. And how can I be supportive of that if I'm not supportive of something like maternity? Well, the reality is that raising a child is a job. Right. In and of itself. Oh, it's a fucking huge job. It is a job.

Stay-at-home moms don't get enough credit. Okay. So the idea that you're supposed to be able to have a full-time job as well as have that job and neither one is going to suffer is crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. It's not real. But we've been sold this.

And I think part of it is because we don't value things that don't produce tangible monetary results. Right. Right. So we don't think of a woman. It's like, this is America. You got to work. It's like an extension of that philosophy. It's also this is America where we love each other.

Yeah. Right. It should be both things. Like you should understand that like a woman's job of raising a child is a hugely significant job and just because it doesn't have numbers in a bank account that correspond to each individual activity that you do doesn't mean it's not valuable it's massively massively numbers on it put numbers on don't put numbers on it rethink the way you look at it rethink the way you look at it but if you need to put numbers on it why don't you figure out what you would have to pay for somebody to do every

single thing that the mother is doing from driving the kids around which takes up a huge amount of their time to all that stuff but if you're a business owner whose responsibility is that are you responsible for that is that person your child now like this person who you employed like say if you have someone employed you employ them they work for you for four or five months and they get knocked up well most companies have minimums so you would have to be um like my husband's at a new company and i think he's eligible for some amount whether he takes it or not i don't know but can that paternity leave too i think that he might be eligible but it's they found upon that he has to be there for like a year. Did you give birth there, Bob?

How did it go? Was it painful, Bob? You need time off to heal? Yeah, I don't know. Do they get shit on? I don't think so. I don't know. I bet they do.

I bet they're like, Bob, you ready to come back yet? He's a therapist. You ready to come back yet, Bob? He's in the therapeutic community. I'm not talking about your husband specifically, but I think guys that take time off for paternity leave, I guarantee they get shit on. I don't think at Google they're getting shit on. Google is a communist run empire of data collection.

I don't know who pays for it, but I do know that I want to be supportive of the family. Google should hand out all of that money that they stole as freely as possible because they've been stealing money from people by snatching up their data. So you don't think people should get paternity leave? I didn't say that. What are you, fucking that lady you interviewed, Jordan Peterson? No, I'm just-

Remember that lady? I'm asking you. So what you mean is- So if I understand correctly- No, I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, I'm just, I'm asking you. So what you mean is, so what you're saying is. No, I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, I know you are. And I'm questioning what, who do you believe should pay for something like that? I don't know, but if I was an employer and I had a guy who worked for me.

I had a guy who worked for me who wanted to take three months off because his wife gave birth. I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about, even to support his wife give birth to support his wife i pay him for free do you understand that this is kind of most people when this happens if they make enough money the wife will not work and the father will work right and then the wife takes care of the child and this is normal yeah and then the dad provides support when he comes home. If you're saying that the man and the woman should both get like three months off, this is a new thing.

Yeah. Right, isn't it? I mean, it's not new in Europe, but it's... We're not in Europe. This is better. This is America. I'm playing devil's advocate. You know what I'm saying, though?

We're not in Europe. For America, this is a new concept. Right. Right? So when someone in government, I mean, look, it's interesting because it starts this conversation. When someone in government who's a man who didn't give birth, and there's two of them, and they both are off work, and they get free money or what happens? Are we paying for his paternity leave? Maybe we're incorrect.

Maybe he's working on Zoom. I don't know. Are we paying for the paternity leave? Well, we're paying for a lot of shit. We're paying for puppies to get tortured. That's literally tax dollar funded. Americans pay for a lot of shit. That is true.

It's an interesting conversation of who's responsible. Particularly if you're a small business if you have less than like if you have someone who has a critical role in your company and it's a man and the man's wife gives birth and then the man wants to take three months off wants you to pay him he'd be like what right wouldn't you i'm i'm really trying to think. What is my... I really don't know. You know, it's something I really hadn't thought about. Maybe you should move to Germany, Mike. Right now.

Go ahead, move to Germany. They'll let you take three months off. I know my cousin's husband got like nine months off. Oh, God. Is that in Germany? Yeah. Yeah, well, that's why their economy's fucked. I mean, they were doing well

but I'm not sure what it's like now were they well because they make Mercedes and BMWs it's just they they have a that this is something I've learned too from a lot of my European friends around like all this vaccine stuff is that there's they're much more like I think it is just coming from socialism and with lots of deep roots and like communism and fascism there's a more they're more concerned about the group my friend in Italy was like we don't have I mean I know there are Italians who are protesting but she's like for the most part everyone's just like I gotta do my part and there's not like this whole thing yeah so it does seem like gotta do my part about what like getting the vaccine for Italy yeah no I know I've seen what's going on in Italy did you see that they had town can't they had cameras that show like this area where

the protests were having and they were showing fake images because it was so overrun with people and that when they were having and they were showing fake images. Did you see that? Yeah, I saw that. Because it was so overrun with people that when they were reporting it, they were showing fake images. Yeah, it's very strange in Europe. They do a good job of hiding all of the resistance to this. So they make it seem like they're more socially coherent than they might be. I don't know. It just, it's a fascinating and,

and crazy time to be, um, I'm, I'm very much like an individualist, you know, American to my core, I think in that respect where I am like Randy and South Park where I'm like, I'm sorry. I thought this is America. I don't need to fucking take a vaccine. And I have been so anti-mandates and vaxports and all these things. And I'm vaccinated. Sort of. You're sort of vaccinated. You got vaccinated with the Johnson & Johnson and it barely worked. I know.

We just did the antibody test. And you lost your period for a couple of years. That's what's so crazy about being pregnant is that. So can I tell this story? Yeah. Okay. So we I was told. First of all, I was thinking about this on my way over here. This is the second time I've been pregnant on your show. The first time I ever did your show, I was pregnant and didn't know it. And it up being ectopic which for people who don't know it's like a suicide bomber in your body it's basically a tubal or ovarian pregnancy and it would have killed me like a hundred years ago and it still kills a lot of women it's super dangerous and it's like a baby that's like if I'm not going to be born i'm taking you with me can i ask you a question here is this um carved out i know texas has a really fucked up abortion law yeah they just

passed is that carved out in the abortion law that you can have an abortion if there's you don't have an abortion so you would lose an ovary or a fallopian tube except now and this is where i'm like okay big pharma thanks i guess um what mine was treated with i found out early enough i i it was like three weeks after it was on my birthday it was like three weeks after i was on your show the very first time in 2019 and i kept getting a shooting pain and i was like i think i have a fucking ectopic pregnancy and it's so rare everyone's like you're crazy bridget i was like, I think I have a fucking ectopic pregnancy. And it's so rare. Everyone's like, you're crazy, Bridget. I was like, no, I don't know why.

I just have this feeling. What is the term? How do you say it? Ectopic. Ectopic. Yeah. So it's like a tubal or it can be in your fallopian tube or ovary. It's just like I was joking like my old ass ovaries with their like little walkers didn't like make it all the way down.

And then it's like a little. Yeah. didn't like make it all the way down. And then it's like a little, yeah, then it can basically explode your ovary or fallopian tube when the baby, you know, they double every like freaking day. It's like crazy in those early weeks. And I went to the hospital on my birthday because I took a test that morning. I came back, I was having like a regular bleeding. So I went in and they're like, oh, you're having a miscarriage or something like that. But they couldn't find it. And that was crazy, too. That was like a wild.

And I had just gotten back together with my now husband. I got married since the last time I saw you. Congratulations. Thank you. It's been a busy year. And that was just wild. And it was really sad and tragic you know because they weren't sure and then I had to get my blood drawn every two days to see if the levels were like

going up or down they're like is this a failed pregnancy or a chemical pregnancy which is where it doesn't really take but you're still it'll still show up as pregnant and there was a minute where we thought maybe we were having a baby, and then the levels doubled again, and then they were like, no. And so they treat it with methotrexate, which is chemo, and they basically give you a shot in your butt, and it stops the cells from dividing, and it usually takes care of it if they catch it early enough. Now you will catch this between,

so I don't even know that you would need an abortion for it. Generally you start exhibiting symptoms like between six and eight weeks. So it's like a plan B type deal, but it's in a shot. It's not plan B. I mean, it's straight up chemo, but it's to stop the cells from dividing. Otherwise you, like many people don't find out soon enough, or they think it's like, I don't know what they think it is. It stops the cells in your whole body from dividing? Well, it behaves like chemo, but because it's chemo, it stops the baby from continuing to divide. And in the past, they would have to take out your fallopian tube or your ovary. So it's really dangerous. You can die. And if you don't die in the past, you would usually lose at least a fallopian tube or

an ovary. Sometimes they can save the ovary. They can't even do it. It's not abortion. They can't do it. No, no, no, no. It's not. It's not even like you could have this baby at all.

Right. It's really, truly, it's not good. Did they carve out for the abortion law, what if it's a stillbirth? What if the baby is inside of you and it's already dead? I don't know. I'm not sure what any of the carve-outs. That six weeks is super early. It's weird because-

It's so early that most women don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. It was weird because when that happened, I was six weeks pregnant. And I was like, this is fucking early. Like the week that six weeks pregnant and i was like this is fucking early like the week that came down i was like most people the only reason i knew so early this time is because my husband was like go get a fucking test like your boobs are sensitive and like you're booking all this travel i was supposed to go schellenberger to europe and go to south africa and go to new york and he's like, before you book all this, take a test. And I did and it came back. But because I had a history of an ectopic pregnancy,

they need to know right away you have a higher instance of getting pregnant ectopically once you've already had an ectopic pregnancy. It goes up. I don't know the exact percentage, but it's like exponentially. So I had to find out right away if this was an ectopic. And it's just a crazy story because they had told me after my ectopic, we went and we were getting all my levels checked and then COVID hit. So they're like, come back in six months and we'll retest you. Well, six months from November of 2019 was the world falling apart. So we lost kind of a year of like, even thinking about fertility

because everything was shut down. And I went back and they're like, oh, you're in menopause. Your levels are like full menopause. They were like, we're shocked you're even getting a period. And this was after I got the J&J and I hadn't had a period in three months. And this is an issue that is apparently, according to my nurse, according to a good doctor friend of mine, the hormone levels of people in certain circumstances,

they get vaccinated, get all wacky.y yeah so to be fair i don't know correlation or causation because they had done my levels right after my ectopic but they were also very wacky and they're like this could be just because the ectopic and your hormones are all weird so come back in six months and we'll test you again and then it was covid so we didn't do that i got the shot i went back and they're like you're on menopause. You can't have kids. We need to get you. So it could have been from the ectopic. It could have been from the J&J.

Well, in 2019, when I got tested, it was definitely weird. And so then when I went back in 2021, recently, this was like in June when I went. And they're like, oh, you're in menopause. You can't have babies. And then I was very upset. And I think you and I have talked about whether or not I wanted kids. And I mean, but I was kind of, so it's just a weird story. And that was only five months later, you're knocked up. That's what's crazy. What's crazy is a month later, I was knocked up. I got knocked up in July.

Really? Yeah. And I went to a fertility doctor and they told me, this is going to cost you a lot of money. We want you to get these prenatals, but I'm telling you, it's going to be like the golden egg based on your levels. Levels of? Of like my hormones and progesterone. They were saying these are like menopause levels and we'd be shocked if we could even get like one viable egg and so we I took I bought all these like prenatals from the fertility doctor and then I got them and I was like what the fuck am I doing like I'm 42 if I had wanted to do this

I get what happened and I'm not the kind of person that's going to force something like this and my husband and I were we went back and visited my family we were on the beach and I'm not the kind of person that's going to force something like this. And my husband and I, we went back and visited my family. We were on the beach. And I'm like, are you cool if we're just not having kids and maybe we can adopt later or whatever? And he's like, I'm fine. We'll save our money. We'll travel. And I was mad that I spent the money on the prenatals.

And my therapist was like, well, just take them. They're good for your nails and hair and skin. And I'm like, all right. And I got knocked up. So you took those pills. And I got fucking knocked up. So they worked. And then I was like.

So wait a minute, the prenatals are designed to make you more fertile, correct? They're just, you're supposed to take them before you, they do like an egg harvesting. But yes, you take like ubiquininol which is good for cell development and oh you know it's supposed to help like egg strength and maybe that restarted your hormones who fucking knows but i started taking them and then i was pregnant we were having that conversation on the beach i come back go see my ob who's no longer my ob and I told her I'm like I haven't had my period in 40 days because I got my period in between like the 90 days and she was like

that's just the menopause we need to get you on birth control pills because you're going to lose bone density because you're a geriatric and so she gives me all these pills doesn't test me to see if I'm pregnant and that way you got rid of her?

Well, yeah. And then a week later, I took the test and found out I was pregnant. And I was like, holy shit. Did you call her up and go, hey, bitch? Yeah, I did. I made her come. Basically, she felt so bad because I was like, this is negligent. I had an ectopic pregnancy.

I could have lost a week of finding out because you just assumed I'm an old, which is a numbers game. I mean, it is amazing how they treat you when you're my age in pregnancy because it's geriatric at 35. Really? Yeah. They consider you geriatric at 35. They don't really use that word anymore because it's fallen out of fashion, but they, I was

joking with my OB. I'm like, I'm surprised you guys don't give me a fucking walker when I come in here. 35 is geriatric? That's wild. But then the data doesn't lie. You know, the numbers for like downs, it's like when you look at all that stuff, it's like it goes from 1 in 1,000 when you're in your early 30s to like 1 in 43 at my age. So that stuff doesn't lie.

You know, it's not, it's still a small chance, but it's still, there's a much higher probability of shit going wrong when you're an old like me. You're an old? An old. You call yourself an old? I'm an old. And that's what we were laughing about. It's so crazy.

So the first like trimester, I was, I'm, and I'm still very cautiously optimistic. It's, I want all the good vibes from your whole audience. It's such a miracle and crazy. And we were very like, okay. I went in for that first ultrasound to find out that it was an ectopic because they have to look right away. And she's like, no, it's intrauterine. It's like a little sack. It's not viable. I'm like, how do I make it stick? She's like, honey, honey if i knew that i'd be a billionaire on a private island i'm like yeah i suppose so that's true before you got vaccinated you were having regular periods yeah like every freaking 23 days i mean and then right after you got vaccinated not a period for 90 days

and here's the thing when i went in to talk to my OB and when I would go for my checkups, all the nurses, not the doctors, I'd be like, you know, I got my vaccine. They're like, oh, everyone's periods messed up from the vaccine. Like everyone don't shouldn't we be talking about this? And what's crazy is that they just started studying how COVID affects women who are pregnant. Like they didn't think to fucking do this when people were getting COVID and women were getting COVID and they were pregnant. So they really had no idea how it was the vaccine was going to affect a woman's menstruation, women who are pregnant, etc. And then you hear all these like stories online and that a lot of it. The problem is that so much of it is suppressed and you're just people don't know what to believe.

It is a problem. It's a problem because even we don't know what the real numbers are. Right. So if someone says the numbers are incredibly small. Good. Tell us what the numbers are so that we can show that the numbers are incredibly small. Or that like, yeah, your period is going to be messed up, but it's going to bounce back. But I'm hearing stories of people who are like bleeding and they don't stop.

And yes, it's all anecdotal. But at what point is like a lot of anecdotal evidence data? Actually evidence, yeah. Well, it's like we were talking about the chances of a child being Down syndrome. Like we know this because of data, right? They're not suppressing that. They're not like encouraging women who are older to get knocked up and lying about the data. Yeah. I mean, they're very, my OB is very conservative. They should tell you what the data is on everything. So we should be accumulating the data on everything.

What you're not hearing, and this is not saying that people shouldn't get vaccinated. This is not saying the vaccine's bad. What I'm saying is you're not hearing what the adverse reactions are. You're not hearing them. They're not reporting on them. They're not making a big deal out of it. They're not following up and having these- And it makes people more skeptical. Yes. They're not having these hard discussions about like, who is it? Why are they getting these adverse reactions? What's the pattern?

And if you're not following that, if they're just hiding it, like if the VAERS report, like what percent, because I was reading this thing that was claiming that the VAERS reports, which is the vaccine adverse event reporting system, that they only report 1% of the actual adverse events. I'm like, how do you know that? How does anyone know that? I don't know what the actual reporting numbers are, but I do know people that I'm close to that have had horrible reactions, those reactions did not get reported.

Right. So what percentage of actual adverse events do get reported? It bothers me because for all the talk in our culture about informed consent, you know, just what it's like you, you should be able to make an informed decision about this for yourself. But they're deciding for you. I have a friend who's also pregnant and she does not want to get the vaccine because she doesn't want to mess with it. And I don't frankly don't blame her. And women have had to fight so hard for just advocating for themselves and their health. And I don't want to force this on any woman, anyone, anyone.

Let's just stop there. But particularly a woman who's pregnant who might be skeptical when there's a lot of unknowns. And I'm sorry. I know the mRNA has been around for 20 years. And I've heard every fucking argument. It has been mass inoculated. And on top of that, there's not long-term data. There just isn't.

Yeah, there isn't. And I don't blame. Especially for pregnant women. There's something about, so the mandates came down for kids for California. And they did a poll in California. And only a third of people want to vaccinate their kids. I mean, this is not a popular mandate. I'm shocked it's that high.

I'm shocked it's that high. I'm shocked it's that high. Because when you find out what's actually dangerous, like whether or not COVID is actually dangerous for children, it's not. No. It's not. No. And kids still get sick. Relatively speaking.

And then I'm seeing what all my friends who have kids are going through because of all these insane, crazy, like quarantine policies that these schools have that are nonsensical. So one kid will get exposed in a class, and then, like, only the three kids around that kid had to quarantine for two days. And even if they had a negative test, they still had to stay out for two weeks. Okay, but here's why that's not crazy. The reason why that's not crazy is because if those kids go home and give it to their parents or give it to their grandma, and then the grandma gets sick, and then the grandma dies, or they give it to the teacher, and the teacher gives it to the spouse, and the spouse dies.

Why not quarantine? I mean, it's weird, though, like only those four kids in the room of kids are the ones who are exposed. What do you mean? of kids are the ones who are exposed. What do you mean? Like of this entire classroom, if one kid's exposed and comes back as like positive, then only like four kids are going to be quarantined,

not like the whole class. Oh, I see what you're saying. What is the science? I want to know what science that is. So it's basically what they're saying is the kids that are closest to that kid? Yeah, they got quarantined. Well, the dumb thing about it is like you're not following that kid around with a ruler. That's what I mean. Billy, you're closer than six feet.

But didn't they come out and say like the six feet thing was kind of bullshit? Total bullshit. I laugh at every time I see it in line. I'm like someone the other day on Twitter was like, I wonder how many lives have been saved by those, like the things in the elevators. Have you seen this meme? I'm going to, I'll send it to Jamie because it's one of my favorite new memes.

So yeah, it's, it's a definite, um, yeah, it's a fuck. Yeah, it's definitely, I mean, if I, like you were saying, I was, I was joking because my first, um, trimester, all I wanted was plant-based food. And I love meat. I couldn't eat. Every time I ate red meat, I'd puke. And I was like, my baby's a fucking globalist. This is from the vaccine.

This one. Oh, yeah. I love this. Tell me more about how a virus can escape from a level four bio lab but can't get past a mask with little duckies on it i love it it's gene wilder from uh willie wonka big smile on his face it's such a great meme i know i love it and also yeah yeah yeah how the fuck so i was joking about how my baby was a globalist because i was like this from the vaccine i'm not a vegan this is my baby was a globalist because I was like, this is from the vaccine. I'm not a vegan. This is,

I was like, why is my child craving food? Like all the plant-based, the way they're all like pushing it and like, you know, great reset. I'm like, I was like, I'm going to be craving bugs soon.

And then like two months in, I started craving Taco Bell, which I haven't had in a decade. And I was like, oh, my vaccine must be wearing off. And it is wearing off. It is wearing off. We got your antibodies test today. They're like ghosts And I was like, oh, my vaccine must be wearing off. And it is wearing off. It is wearing off. We got your antibodies test today.

They're like ghosts. I was like, oh, thank God. Your antibodies are like, ooh. Vaccines are enough. I mean, there's so many jokes to be made about it, obviously. But it is. I do appreciate that you're still willing to have these conversations. Well, I'm not stopping now.

Now they've already come after me. They can eat shit. No, they're not stopping now. Now they've already come after me. They can eat shit. No, they're not talking about these things. And it's a real problem because they want to push a narrative so badly that they don't understand that they're censoring dissenting thought. And they're censoring information that's counter to the narrative, whether it's accurate or not. And a lot of it turns out to be accurate, like the lab leak theory. Right. Like the fact that the NIH and Fauci did fund gain of function research and like the fact that he lied about it.

And those are conspiracy theories just a little while ago. So was a Vaxport. So was a mandate. Yes. And the way that they do these mandates where it is the public kind of coercing the private. So it's not like the government's just straight up saying we're going to mandate it. They're using the private sector to try and do their dirty work. Yes.

And I don't appreciate that. Well, that's what I loved about In-N-Out stepping up. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, we're not the vaccine police. No. People should be able to make their own informed choices about their bodies. And it's just discriminating. I mean, this is the whole piece I just wrote about lectures

from limousine liberals where I was just raging because so many of the, being in California in particular, this is probably true more in blue states that were more locked down, there were so many of these mandates that hurt the people that we

ostensibly care about. When you shut down the outdoor parks, that didn't hurt rich people with big backyards that hurt people who lived in, you know, apartments and they didn't have access to these public spaces. When you like Gavin Newsom's kids going to private school while his fricking gardeners probably their kids probably weren't allowed to go to school. Like the there was such a disproportionate it affected the poor the most.

And that was infuriating for me to see. And then and to have all these like frontline workers who worked through the whole pandemic delivering food. My husband worked in a grocery store at the time. They were all around it the whole time. And now you're going to yell at them and tell them that they need to get a vaccine. Like the nurses. Yeah. The nurses are the most disgusting story.

That's disgusting. It's disgusting. And the police, they were, people were spitting on police officers in protests during a fucking pandemic. Like, where was your problem with spreading the virus then when you were screaming in their face? It's not even just that. It's not even just that.

It's the fact that these guys actually had COVID and they recovered. So they have the antibodies. So this is completely unscientific because they actually have better immunity than people who have just gotten vaccinated. And there's been a lot of propaganda about this from the other side. They're trying to say, no, it's not true. I saw some fucking thing the other day on one of the health websites, one of the government websites, fucking which, I don't, god damn it, I could find it. But it was a fucking lie.

It's just not supported by data. The data from Israel, which is the best data that we have, 2.5 million people, I believe they studied, found that the immunity that you get from a natural infection, from having COVID and recovered, is six to 13 times better. Not a little better. Not equal to. Six to 13 times better. So people like our nurse that was here

yeah she had to work through the early days of covid with no mask yeah the the doctors and the the administrators told her when she wears a mask it scares people so don't wear a mask so she got covid everyone she works with also got covid they. And then they're being asked to get vaccinated on top of that. Yeah. I mean, that stuff, it's like what makes my blood boil. It's crazy. And then they fire them. So in the middle of a pandemic, when you're firing a large percentage of your health care workers, when you're firing a large percentage of your fire department, your police officers.

large percentage of your fire department your your police officers yeah you have people in like very niche like the rescue jumpers the guys who jump out of helicopters and in the coast guard they're saying there's a big piece like 20 of them are might not this is not something everyone can do and these guys are back down some companies are back like delta's backing down off of it i think i saw that southwest was too they should they should because again if you're not taking into account natural immunity and you know you can't even search natural immunity on instagram that's what i don't understand why that i mean i i on my like conspiratorial like it's because they want to make money but it it seems like even in Italy, I think the Green Pass accepts natural immunity for within six months or something. It seems like they accept it other places. I don't understand why we aren't even testing for it.

Because they want you to get vaccinated. It's really simple. Isn't that simple? It's that simple. But it is that simple you to get vaccinated it's really simple that simple like that seems like it just they want they want you to get vaccinated that just brings me right back to my hippie days like fuck big pharma they just want to it's all medicated the idea that all healthy during a pandemic that this is the only time where the pharmaceutical companies don't have influence over politicians and that they do have your health in mind only and they're not interested in making a shitload of money that they're only interested in actually taking care of people and making sure this pandemic is over and that they are completely altruistic and that they're not thinking at all about money. That is fucking crazy talk.

The incentives are just so bad too. Like I was thinking about this in mental health and you know, people, so from the insurance perspective, you can't get treated unless you have a diagnosis. So you have to have some kind of disorder or be diagnosed with something in order to have your insurance even pay for it and so we're just handing out instead of being like oh maybe you're just anxious because like life can be anxiety provoking you've got to be diagnosed with like generalized anxiety disorder or whatever in order to even get treatment for it and then we're so quick to just medicate the symptom instead of really looking at a lot of the root causes. You've been like a dog with a bone on this in terms of talking

about how there's been no conversation about a lot of the underlying things people can do to boost their health so they don't get COVID or recover quickly from COVID. I mean, everybody gained weight during the pandemic. Have you seen the numbers for kids? Kids got fat? Kids got super fat. I'm sure Jamie could find it. My buddy told me that his son got fat and that his son got shamed by his buddies

when they went back to school. They were like, oh, you got fat. Because he gained 40 pounds. No, the average. But that shame forced him to stop eating carbs and stop eating sugar. And he lost the weight. Oh, good. Yeah. In something like six or seven weeks, he lost all the weight.

I mean, I think they were doing all the numbers. And I don't know if these are the accurate things. But it was like the average millennial, it varied by generation. I think Gen X was like 25. Millennials were like 40 pounds, average gained 40 pounds. Four zero? Yeah, and Gen Z gained a lot, and boomers actually did okay. I'll look harder, but the one I'm on only says like 5 to 2 pounds gained

for who? compared to the year before these are for younger 5 to 11 and 16 to 17 years oh those are young youngins but what about millennials?

hold on hold on kids are growing they gain weight anyway like let me tell you something kids you give them 6 months

they gain 5 pounds just because they got bigger yeah I thought kids got fat though they weren't running around I read I read something i could be totally wrong maybe i'm wrong my buddy's son got fat he was just talking about it but it was funny he always saying fat shaming worked like he got fat and like he's like dad what do i do he's like well you gotta stop eating carbs and stop eating so much bread and some pasta and sugar

the weird thing is the reverse fat shaming where they shame Adele for losing weight. Well, so the second article I've stumbled across kind of says that fat kids got fatter. So obese kids gain more weight. They were on a bad path. Yeah, it's so hard when you're young to lose that weight. The Adele thing is wild. No, the Adele thing is wild. No, the Adele thing's wild. It's so sad because these people who are just sloppy

and they don't like the fact that she got her shit together and changed her diet and really started getting after it and works out like a beast. And she did it because, like she said, I did this because when I was working out, I found that I didn't feel anxiety. And I always tell my friends who are anxious, I'm like, move your fucking body. You know, when you're feeling that, get that. And

sometimes it's just energy that needs to go somewhere. Like an overflowing battery. Yeah. And so she started working out and notice and she's like, it had nothing to do with me losing weight. I just felt better. And I felt like that was the only time I didn't have anxiety. So then she just started increasing it. And then she started feeling less anxious and feeling better and low. And it was like three years and they were mad that she didn't like didn't share her the level of entitlement that people have over somebody like that to their internal life and process. And that's just so wild to me. Like they were mad that she didn't share her journey and wasn't open about it.

It's worse than that because what it really is is that they love the fact that she was also sloppy and that like they identified with her. Here's this woman who's incredibly talented. She's got this amazing voice and she's sloppy like me. I love it. You go, big girls are beautiful. Like all that crazy talk. and she's sloppy like me. I love it. You go. Big girls are beautiful.

Like all that crazy talk. I mean, I don't want to say big girls aren't beautiful. I think everyone- How are fat guys? How are fat guys doing? They're hot? They're not doing well. They're beautiful. Fat guys are hot, right?

Yeah, they're just as hot. This is crazy talk. They're just as beautiful. If you don't think Adele Looks way better now You're full of shit She looks amazing No She looks way better

Yeah Right I think that Doesn't she look way better Say it No she looks Women Women

I don't want Say it Here's the problem I'm trying to be a nice person Try not to say it She looks better She looks amazing Better

Yeah I mean I'm trying to be a nice person. Try not to say it. She looks better. She looks amazing. Better? Yeah, I mean. You don't want to say it. She looks better. Obviously. Yeah, sloppy's not good, right? But I don't think she looked, like I still thought she was beautiful when she was overweight.

Well, she has amazing facial structure. So that's what I don't, I don't want, like we were talking about earlier, shame is a hard thing to get over and i know a lot of people who struggle with their weight and i don't want them to feel like they're any less beautiful because they are struggling with their weight and such a woman that's such a woman perspective because there's not a man alive that goes these guys out here that are fat i don't want them feeling bad with their big bellies i want them to know they're fucking handsome as shit i know what women who have this struggle go through i've talked to hundreds of them and i

know how hard i know i understand i've had to be schooled because i am absolutely like fat phobic and i'm not afraid of fat people i'm afraid of the fat person inside of me okay so let me ask you this fat person that wants to get out into the world that's what i'm afraid of what is the difference with men and women with fat because you said you keep saying women i know how women feel well men feel the same way i think men have i think men are just not as open about it i i know a lot of men have struggled with their fat their feelings about being fat and and but why is it okay and why is i think it's easier in the male culture to be like get your shit together fat ass and get out there and work out and stop eating so many donuts. Right. But why is it also like no one supports fat men?

No one is saying to fat men, you're beautiful the way you are. It doesn't happen. Do they have the same? When Burt Kreischer takes his shirt off. He's a hero. No one is looking at him and going, you're a beautiful person. They love it when he takes his shirt off. That's like his whole fucking thing.

But it is a mockery. But I wrote a whole piece about how dad bod is like acceptable and with women it's not acceptable. Hold on please. Did you see Bert Kreischer's Instagram? Go to Bert Kreischer's Instagram and see this video that he posted yesterday of him shirt off

in Tampa. And he is, you know, that's where he's from, or Tallahassee, rather. Is he from Tallahassee? He's from Tampa. He went to Florida State. Okay. Same, same.

Where's Florida State? Tallahassee. Okay, I think that's where he's at. So he is on stage. It's a massive crowd. Burt is doing motherfucking arenas now. They love his belly. But you don't understand no you

said see the video there's a video this is fucking no that's not the video go back please go back go let me see it i'll send it to you because he sent it to me hold on a second i'm confused here because i don't see it up there. They love it. They love it. But there was a video that is just him on stage. Yeah. Oh, it's in his stories. That's why.

Or his reels. Here, share. Share to Jamie. This is wild. I mean, this is wild. Here, I just sent it to you, Jamie. You gotta see this. This this is wild. Here, I just sent it to you, Jimmy. You gotta see this. This is fucking wild.

He's on stage. First of all, I think he's culturally appropriating. What's that? It's on somebody else's page. Oh, that's what it is. Okay. So look at this. Give me some volume.

Oh, boy. Why is this the wrong aspect ratio? It looks different on my phone where I see the whole crowd. You only see, like, part of it. It's weird. You're like, I think he's culturally appropriating. The web browser and phone are different. The Vikings.

Web browser and the phone is a different image? Okay. But, look, play that again. They love him. the Vikings web browser and the phone is a different image okay so but look play that again they love him how are you telling me that it's not different from men

well first of all he's got the feathers and the arrow that's what I'm saying I think he might be culturally appropriate yeah he definitely is is it

I mean I think so yeah be culturally appropriate. Yeah, he definitely is. Is it? I mean, I think so. They're doing a war chant, too. Yeah, it's like the Braves thing that they do. Look at all those people with their phones out with the lights on. I mean, it's hard to see when we're looking at it through this browser versus through my phone. But when you look at it through the phone, you get the full image of how fucking big his crowd is. Like, look at that. Oh, wow, yeah.

It's huge. It's fucking insane. And plus, it cuts to the left and to the right, so you really get a view of it. Bert did a fucking arena. So you're not making the point that men are treated... No one's saying he looks beautiful. They say all the time. It's a joke.

No, his fat is a joke. Do you know that? That's why he takes his shirt off because it's funnier. No one's saying, you know, you're hot. No one's saying that. When he takes his gut out, it's like, ah, look at you, fat fuck. It's part of the fun. Right.

Part of the fun is that he doesn't take care of himself and that he drinks constantly he's fat right i mean he's celebrated for his comedy sorry that's a way better video of the way you're trying to get let me see it look at that come on that is fucking insane burt kreischer you bad motherfucker you he's got these people chanting some fucking war trucks burt kreischer is going to be president united states i'm calling it right now a drunk president they love him cry. Look at that war cry. They love him. Everyone's with him. Oh! I don't know what that is, but pretty wild. My point is.

Yes. No one's saying he's beautiful. Everyone's saying, look at you, fat fuck. They love him. He's hilarious. Yes. But that gut is not for beauty. Fat people still deserve love, Joe.

I think they do. I think they do. But my point was that your reluctance to say that Adele looks better. She looks better. Oh, no. She looks better. She looks amazing. That's all I'm trying to get out of here. I mean, she looks incredible. Anyone can do it.

Yeah. They can. Just like you got sober. Yeah. People can accomplish difficult things and it's worth it this is the weird um like dichotomy or paradox that i kind of sit in and i i often feel this way about people when they're like but they're drug addicts and they're like on the streets i'm like oh that could have been me you know and what was you right i mean not on the streets but you were i live yeah i mean when i got a rehab i was in my car i wasn't doing great and definitely there but what's that i do love the you know i tried i i try very hard to have compassion i don't want to be just like a hardcore you know

i think like you and i have said people need support um and there but for the grace of God go I in many instances. But and I and I do think a weird because I agree a certain level of shaming works. It does. It does. Yeah. It's real. It was like how I mean that's why this piece of like how I I regret being a slut is hard to write because I don't want to slut shame myself. But I was I mean, it came about because this young woman I was waiting tables with.

She's like, Bridget, have you ever regret sleeping with the man? I was like, all of them. But and that's not necessarily true. But I don't know that I would have slept with a good majority of them had I not been like wasted and just. Right. But your writing is all about honesty and about your honest feelings, I think. But this is one area where you don't like to discuss it or you feel bad about it. No, it's a hard needle to thread. You know, I think that it's hard to thread without.

If I was to be totally honest, I think it's that I felt like I had been lied to by the culture. Like the culture was giving me this message and gives a lot. I mean, this is a message that I see a lot of young women get, but they're getting it. And even this weirder version than the one that I grew up with, which was like, I don't think you need to have kids to be like, you know. What was what you got? Which one was you, what was your version? It was really just like that female empowerment through sex. Like Sex and the City?

Yeah. Yeah. That was what I grew up with. Like who was the lady that fucked everybody on Sex and the City? Samantha, I think. I never watched it because I hated it because I'm not, I hate, hate that show. Why? Which I don't know.

My, I cannot watch it I'm not like a consumer at all and like a brand whore I don't know anything so whenever they talked about shoes and I was like I am out I can't I can't have this conversation I don't care and um it was weird it wasn't also just a life that I identified with but I understand everyone around me loved it and it was constantly being referenced and when I started writing a playboy they're like oh my god you're like a female Carrie or whatever her name was

um and like a female Carrie well as opposed to what I don't know fuck are you trying to say or like an LA are you gender shaming her that was a Freudian slip it's really why i couldn't watch that show um no so i grew up with a lot of that and now i see i read this great article about like baby doomers this is like

the new thing where it's like don't have kids because of the environment have you seen this no it's so unfair to you know i don't and i do i was environment. Have you seen this? No. It's so unfair to, you know, I don't, and I do, I was just talking to my friend right before I came here, and she was so excited for me, and we used to party together, and she was talking about how she, the same thing, like the messages she got growing up were so much like, you don't need to have a baby, and it's just like, there's all this pressure to have a kid.

And, and she was like having a kid, she said she found so much meaning. And, and she's like, I wish I had known this sooner because so much of the stuff I was searching for, I've found so much healing and having a child in motherhood and motherhood. And she was, she and I were having this conversation. I'm like, it's, you know, I've been the woman who didn't have a kid and I've heard a lot of it comes a lot from like hardcore kind of reactionary right wing media, particularly where it's like you're not valuable as a woman unless you have a child. And I am very oppositionally defiant to that rhetoric because I know a lot of women who have tried to have children and couldn't and I don't think it's fair to put that messaging out there yeah I don't think it is either it's also not real it's not real you can you can have a wonderful life you can have meaning all kinds of ways without children but I do think that in the overcorrection from those like 1950s years, there was this push to almost deter women from having kids and and and saying that they can.

There is this pressure to kind of have it all. And now it's like don't have kids because the world is ending, which is insane to me because like people. Yes, they didn't have a choice, but people were having kids during like the black plague, you know, like shit's been way worse for humans through all of human history in terms of medicine conditions, poverty,

and, and even just childbirth and surviving it. Then now, and people are like, don't have kids. they're scaring people out of having children I'm reading these real articles about people who are and I will tell any women listening like what I really struggled with around my 40th birthday was that I had internalized so much of this and I I lied to myself like I lied to myself for many many years that I didn't

want to have kids I didn't I was good I I didn't need to have kids mostly that I didn't want them and when I hit 40 and that window started closing and I met a man I also was I didn't I didn't want to have a kid just for the sake of having a kid. But then once I met a man, I wanted a family. And once I was with this person, I felt like, you know, people told me to freeze my eggs. I didn't. really had to confront that lie that I told myself because once the option was more off the table and wasn't even a possibility or so I thought I really was faced with how much of a how much deception had gone into upholding this idea of being like this single woman who didn't need to have kids.

It was like bullshit that I was telling myself. So you think it was like a defense mechanism because it wasn't really available for you? Yeah, because I wasn't in a good relationship. And yeah, it was absolutely a defense. Because also because I didn't feel worthwhile because I was slut shaming myself. That's why I say it's a hard needle to thread because so much of the shame around my sexuality, not feeling like I deserved it sexuality not feeling like I deserved it not feeling like I deserve to have even when I first got with this pregnancy I'm still very like there I had to overcome these I'm like why do I feel like I don't deserve this like that's just

crazy like you say it's crazy but it is those those things um are I've internalized so much not positive feelings and ideas about motherhood or having a child. And I'm not sure where because, I mean, my mom had five kids and loved being a mom. So it certainly wasn't coming from like all my siblings have kids. Well, it's probably part of living a reckless and independent life and being in a city i was the only one of my siblings who was like in a city and just also being when i was really grinding in comedy i just was like there you these two things aren't really compatible unless you have a lot of help and money and you're successful and I felt like I had to make a choice and in some respects I did but it you know I don't think that I don't know that I made that choice that choice

is really made for me choices are weird right because they're sort of biologically dependent meaning that you you have a window of time right it's not like women in particular yeah it's not like anything else in life yeah where you really only have if you're a woman you got like 20 something years oh hell hath no fury like i have a there's a special place in hell for men who waste a woman's like fertility years and don't and know that they don't want kids or that they're not ready to marry them or whatever and they're in their you know early 30s mid 30s and they're just like that is not okay wait a minute though don't you think that your deception that you lied to yourself when you were telling yourself that you were happy being a yeah but

i think that's different than being- But you think that a man is more responsible, that he should have more of an understanding of what a woman feels like? But I think there are instances where men know that a woman wants a child. I'm speaking of relationships where the man knows she wants a child and- Being very specific? Inevitably. No, I just hear this a lot from women where they're in these relationships and the guy is kind of like well i don't know if i want to get married and then

they end up breaking up and it's like there's years that they could have been out there yeah but it might not also just been that it might also been the relationship sucked it might also been they were trying to make sure that this was the right person that they wanted to have a kid with because some relationships go fucking sideways no i they wanted to have a kid with. Because some relationships go fucking sideways. No, I agree. And if you have a kid with a girl and then you're connected to her forever and it goes sideways, now she's fucking crazy and she wants money from you all the time and she's shaming you and angry at you. Like men are scared of that kind of commitment because it's a commitment that attaches you to someone for the rest of your life.

And if you get lucky and you find a good person, it's great. Right. But if you don't get lucky. But I think if they're scared of it, then they shouldn't waste their time. They don't know. They don't know how the relationship's going to go. All relationships when you don't know if it's going to work out well. Yeah.

How do you know? But how do you not know after five years, for example? Sometimes it gets better. Sometimes it gets worse. I don't know. Sometimes you're on the cusp. I think I put it on the woman too to like get out if they're if they really want to have that kid and they're not sure

but i do think that people need to like you said there's a there is a timer on that shit yeah but there's also like it's a give and take there's two people involved in this shit and if the guy like bails out he's like i don't want to do this anymore and like you wasted my time no but fucking we wasted both of our times it didn't work yeah yeah i think that's fair yeah i do relationships are so fucking complicated because you're different you are different with a different person yeah we all are if you were with the wrong husband or the wrong wife you are a different fucking person yeah and you are with the right person you the wrong wife, you are a different fucking person than you are with the right person. You know, like how many times have you met a girl and she's like single and single. I'm never going to get married.

Fuck that. And then she meets the right guy. Boom, she's married. Next thing you know, she has kids. Like what happened? I met the right guy. I changed my mind. I mean, that was me.

Yes. It happens with guys. It happens with women. Yeah. Like you think you're, you know, you don't know. No. It happens with guys, it happens with women. Like you think, you don't know. And also like how many people are like if you're looking for six, like if you're looking for six characteristics

and they have four. And you're like well, he's gonna get his shit together and get a job eventually. Well, he's gonna do this but he never does. Like I know people that are involved in relationships and they're not totally happy but they're not totally unhappy. Right. That's what's fucked.

That's the worst, though. Yes. I think it's much easier when it's like dysfunctional, but you have great sex or whatever. Or when it's like it's an easy, clear decision. I think it's much harder when someone is checks a lot of boxes on paper but maybe like the passion isn't there right this is when i hear about a lot because i still get tons of emails about this stuff from people from working for playboy and i love them because i think like the human relationships are fascinated and particularly this kind of stuff where a man will be a man and a woman will be in a relationship

and the sex life and intimacy just goes away but you know they have kids and a house and they have all these things and and there's there's still this thing that's missing or people are together and they're like well it's good enough and you're like is it though it's good enough. And you're like, is it though? Like, I mean, the sex thing for me, that needs to be a functioning part of the relationship. It does. And, you know, the sex thing is generally speaking better if your body works better. Right.

And so that requires you to take care of yourself and that requires you to have discipline and to watch your diet. one of the promises was like, we won't let ourselves go. Yeah. I'm like, we can't, you know, because you see it happen and it does it. I know that for me, I don't feel as sexy when I'm a little chubby, you know, I'm just not when I'm not working out or I'm not taking care of myself. I don't feel like,

like, I think Bert feels, he looks like he's killing it. I'll get him late every night. He looks like he's killing it. Probably getting laid every night. He's famous. I don't know, though. I'd have to be like plumber Burt. I'm not sure.

Burt sent me a picture of him when he was like 20, 21 years old. And Slim Burt was a handsome bastard. Burt in his college years was fucking shredded. Yeah. I mean, he looked good. I don't want to say shredded, but he was fit. That's fit Burt. Look at that.

Whoa. Come on. Okay, he looks better. He looks way better. Look how good he looks. Holy shit. Fit, slim Burt. I mean, he looks good.

He looks hot. And I bet if you did his blood panel, it'd be healthier. Now, Burt now is just like- Wow. Burt now is killing it, but you know, there's a difference. That's actually, he was thinner then when he was doing the dance thing. Doesn't he do the like sober October with you when you guys do that? No, I do it this year.

Are you doing it? We didn't do it this year. No. Oh. No. And you're never going to do it again. I'll do it again. I don't mind doing it.

But you know, one of the things was like, I was doing Madison Square Garden, I'm like, listen, I'm having a drink. Yeah. Were you nervous? I'm gonna smell a little weed. I was excited. Yeah. I get nervous for all shows though.

I get nervous when I do 200 people. I was telling this to my friend Phil last night, I was like, I get just as nervous when I do 16,000 people as when I do 200 people. Yeah. It's the same feeling. I get nervous. I get nervous before even coming and talking to you.

I'll be nervous. For me, even going to the ultrasound, I was like, I really get the worst anticipatory anxiety. And I know that it's my brain. I'm like, you're excited. You're excited and nervous but but you're not performing at the ultrasound no no no but it's like the same um that same feeling of of uh anticipation when I'm and same thing as before when I would like be about to go on stage I could barely talk to people because I'd be nervous and talking to people would help

but once I get talking, it's fine. There's a big difference for me, the difference in anticipation of performing versus the difference of anticipation of anything else. Like any anxiety that I have for other things is so much more manageable. Manageable. Yeah. Well, it's all manageable, obviously, because I manage it. But it's a different feeling. Like when I'm about to go on stage, I'm jumping around, I'm doing breathing breathing exercises i'm getting my mind geared up that was like me before my ultrasound but you're not performing you know i'm saying like you know you don't have to do specific things like i'm worried about the baby you know i'm just like it's it i i get i i definitely get before i do anything kind of performative i I absolutely get that I have to move around.

Yeah, this is part of the rush of doing difficult things is that you're not sure if you can do them. Have you watched Dune? No. Okay. I heard two things. Tim Pool said it sucked. I loved it, but I'm such a sucker for stuff like that. I don't know if Tim's correct, but he said it sucked.

He said he fell asleep. Yeah. He did? But then Tim Kennedy, my two Tims. Did you watch it, Jamie? Let's call it Tale of Two Tims, because Tim Kennedy said that he could watch Doom all day long forever. That's one of the quotes in the book.

Oh, don't be a spoiler alert. It's a quote in the book. I'm supposed to read the book? It's everywhere. So I know. Now that person says it, I'm like, Bruce already told me that. No, you should watch it.

But I would watch it on a big screen. You ruined it. Oh my goodness. Fear is a mind killer. It is a mind killer, though. Yeah. That's accurate. You're right.

Fear fucks your fucking head up but it also like you know it's shocking me that you get a motto quote why is it shocking um because you don't seem like you get nervous we'll define nervous i'm not worried not worried like i know i can do it yeah but i get nervous yeah i get nervous for everything you know when i used to fight the times that i wasn't nervous i fought like shit yeah there's that somebody once told me with stuff that isn't fight or flight much like stand-up or performance anxiety um the brain it's it's the same um it is the same, like, registers the same as excitement. It's just how you're interpreting it. So I always have to be, before I get on stage, I'm like, I'm not scared, I'm excited.

I'm not scared, I'm excited. I'm just excited and I'm interpreting it as being afraid. Well, the danger is if you go on stage and you concentrate on the potential for failure. That's the same as the danger in fighting. Fighters have to know what they're doing is very dangerous, but you can't concentrate on the negative only. You have to think about what you're trying to do. It's basically like the secret.

You know what it reminds me of, though? What? Tony Robbins, who I actually fucking love. He did this great talk one time about how he was learning how to race car drive and the teacher because why not when you're tony robbins and the teacher was telling him not to you know it's like that idea of like don't focus on what you might crash into focus on coming out of focus on where you're going right like look towards where you're going that's what i'm saying yeah yeah don't focus on the but that kind of is like the

secret it kind of is but it's the law of attraction i mean do you have mantras or anything like that no but it's not because you're also putting in the work. Like what I said before. Like one of the reasons why I'm excited and nervous is because I care. And the reason why I'm not terrified is because I've known I've done the work. I've done so many shows. And I'm in what you would call comedy shape, right? I'm working tomorrow night. I'm working Wednesday night. I'm working Thursday night.

I'm working Friday night. And I worked last night. So I'm working all the time. I'm doing sets all the time. So I'm doing multiple hours a week and i'm going over my notes and i'm writing and i'm preparing and then when i go on stage when i'm about to go on stage i get ramped up yeah but it's because i care and also because i've eaten shit before and it sucks like you can't and also like people pay to see you yeah you, yeah. You can't half-ass it. I've had to rely on, it's interesting though,

because like you were saying, some of the stuff that I tell myself is not healthy, obviously. So how do you undo that? My therapist is a big fan of, not like the secret, but she's a big fan of mantras, which I've never been a huge fan of. Although I will admit, reluctantly, that in this early first trimester, because I had so much fear and anxiety, and I'm like a data person. So I was reading all the data

and I'm like, you're going through all these as a geriatric, they put you through like every single screening, geriatric old with every screening. And every time you're waiting for those results or whatever, it's a little nerve-wracking and she was like you just have to use a mantra and so she gave me a mantra what's the mantra um i'm in perfect i'm in perfect health my baby is in perfect health and this pregnancy is going to go perfectly and in some ways it's just to replace me being like i'm an old i love that expression you You're an old. Well because I'm always yelling

about how the olds are running the country. I'm like I don't want these olds running the country. They're so freaking old. There are so many old ones. Between Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Dianne Feinstein's like in her 80s. So is Pelosi. Yeah no. I'm sorry but no.

So is Fauci. So yeah, she gave me this mantra, and it feels a little ridiculous. And in some ways, it's self-soothing. It's just me being like a... I feel like I'm rocking... I don't say it out loud, but it feels... So much of this stuff is completely out of my control. And it feels like just a silly way of trying to feel like I have control over it.

You know, it's not it's not like if I don't say that mantra, shit's going to go sideways. Right, right, right. Are you taking vitamins? Of course, of course. I'm so I am like so healthy. I'm such a healthy whenever they do my blood pan they're like you're my doctor said she's like you are in perfect health but when i get my um you know like my normal stuff are you exercising of course i never stopped

exercising i just kept doing what i was doing and continue to in a lot of ways it's like other things right like you're preparing you've done all the right things you've done all the right work and continue to. In a lot of ways, it's like other things, right? Like you're preparing. You've done all the right things. You've done all the right work. You're nervous because you made a fucking person inside your body.

And it's exciting. It's crazy. And I don't want, and I'm so cautiously optimistic. Yeah. I think there is a part of me being like Irish, I don't know what it is,

if it's like East Coast or Irish Catholic, but I'm like skeptical of good things. That's a very East Coast thing. You know where you're like, I don't know. You don't want to get too big for your britches. Right. Why do you think that's an East Coast thing?

Is that an immigrant thing? I don't know. I don't. I think it's an immigrant thing. That's like when you get sober and everyone's like, oh, look, you think you're better than, it's like you think you're better than everyone. Like getting pregnant at 42. You know, you're just like, you want to, I want to keep my head down and avoid the wrath

of the gods. Right. I'm skeptical of, I am, there is like part of my nature that's so suspicious of, of like, it's this, I'm the same way with business though. I'm like, yeah, I'll believe it when like the ink is dry. You know, I'm not gonna celebrate this deal until, but I could do that until I'm like holding a baby and the crib isn't even made yet.

You know, like we'll see how it goes. Ah, fuck, I should've got a crib. The difference between the East Coast and the West Coast is West Coast celebrates things before they ever happen. Yeah, fuck. I should have got a crib. Yeah. The difference between the East Coast and the West Coast is West Coast celebrates things before they ever happen. Yeah, yeah. They like assume that everything's going to go great and deals fall apart and you start doing coke. Right? And you have

like the justification for your then you end up homeless on the beach. It's a full circle. It's true though what you're saying about East Coast people are like they don't want you to get too big for your bridges. No. I feel like it must have to do with like being the children of immigrants is it or it's it feels a little like crabs in a bucket too like in the small towns yeah i mean that townie privilege and mentality is so no one ever talks about townie privilege it's real when i go back to like my hometown and it's a resort town, and now it's booming with tech money

and it's really weird and it's created a whole dichotomy that was always latently there, but now it's even worse. Is it resentment? Well, because the housing has priced all the workers out of the island, basically. Oh, what island? It's Quintinick Island. Where the fuck is that? Newport, Rhode Island.

Oh. Yeah, but people are like, oh, you're from Newport? I'm like, I don't use summer as a verb. I am not that Newport. You don't summer in the Hamptons? I'm not summer. But now it feels, when I went home, I was like, whoa, this feels a lot like it must have felt. Because it was the original playground of the rich.

It's where the Vanderbilts had their mansion and the Astors. Why there? It was right outside of New York City. It's gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. Sailing town. I mean, I don't know. But I mean, have you been there and seen those mansions?

I don't think I have. They're fucking nuts. I've been to Rhode Island a bunch of times, but I haven't been to, first of all, it's been like 20 years since I did anything other than like comedy clubs there. Yeah. And just tour, like drop in, do a show, and get the fuck out. Newport's gorgeous, but we were like blue collar Newport. I was waiting on all the people that were summering there and taking care of their kids.

I was waiting on all the people that were summering there and taking care of their kids. And I grew up with a lot of class resentment that I still have to keep in check. There's like that writer Jonah Goldberg, who's a conservative guy who always cracks me up. And he's always like, don't do populism because he's always like checking me on my populist. I could be AOC. We've talked about this. I could easily lean into that. I grew up really resenting the rich,

and I have to watch that in myself. I'm fascinated by what the Hamptons are. I have never been. I don't know what it's like to hobnob there, but it seems like a really weird place where people who are all rich go to be rich together yeah no i mean newport is very similar in the summer that you've been to the hamptons no because it seems just like a worse version of newport and it seems like so many of those like

hobnobby people like chris cuomo and matt lauer and howard Well, I know the all-white, in quotes, beach club that Senator Whitehouse, you know. What? All-white? Remember Senator Whitehouse was getting- Senator Whitehouse. From Rhode Island. When is this? This was recently, over the summer.

He was getting attacked for belonging- It came out that he belongs to an all-white beach club in Rhode Island. Oh, that's right. That's right. I worked at that. I was a nanny for kids at that beach Island. Oh, that's right. That's right. So I worked at that. I was a nanny for kids at that beach club. Oh, this is Rhode Island, not the Hamptons. Not the Hamptons.

We're back to Rhode Island. But it's very similar. Like, the people who are members of this beach club are insanely old money. Like, Campbell's Soup money. I mean, we're talking about old money. But does this mean that black people can't join? No, and that's what was wrong. I was talking to the New York Times reporter who was talking about old money. Does this mean that black people can't join? No, and that's what was wrong. I was talking to the New York Times reporter who was talking about this story.

I'm like, it's not all white in policy, but I've never seen a black person there. You know, it's like it's not all white. It's not anywhere that you can't join. But it's definitely like the last time i went there just because somebody invited me to lunch there one time when i was home a couple years ago and i was like holy shit this coming from la which is diverse and anywhere i was like this is the whitest place i've been in so long even the staff was white like european you know i was like this is crazy now Now, has anybody black tried to join there? That's a good question.

I'm not sure. I think they, I'm not sure. I feel like somebody sued them at one point, but I think it was a Jewish family because I don't know that there were any Jewish members of the club either. Oh, no, this is WASP. WASP money. Oh, yeah. ItP. WASP money. Oh, yeah. It's old, old money. And they're very, they kind of look down on even like Hampton's money because it's like new money.

Really? Yeah, it's fucking old money. Newport is old money. And now there's all this new money in town and the old money hates it. Isn't that weird? Like that inherited money is somehow or another better there's money you earn those kids crack me up I have a good friend and there was like this whole debate because Larry Ellison was gonna buy this property and he was gonna like that they were then all the

old money people got together and they were gonna do something something like sell all their properties below so that his view would be destroyed basically and his value would go down. And they were like, if you're going to act like new money, we're going to treat you like new money, Larry. I don't know what you're saying by sell all his properties below. So they all had properties in this area. He was going to buy a property and they didn't want him because he was going to build a property and they didn't want him because they, he

was going to like build something huge and chop down the trees and, and do all this stuff. And they were like, we should sell all of our properties so that they get developed and it ruins his land value basically. Oh my God. I was like listening to this, just laughing hysterically. That's the breakers. What's that Jamie? Is there somebody?

I just typed in Newport Mansions and just went to Google Images. God damn. And they are really big. No, it's insane. Click on that one in the upper right-hand corner. Look at that fucking place. Holy shit. Oh, that's not anything. I mean, the Breakers is insane.

Oh, my God. I see them in the inside. Look at the size of that fucking place. No, they're crazy. And it's all like marble imported from Italy and literally gold leaf. No, click on the house on the left of that right there. That one.

No, no, no. The one to the left. The one to the left of the big image. No, up right above that. Jesus Christ. It's so small. No, no, no. That's not the one I want.

The one below it. The one with the beach. Yeah, that one. That's it. Thank you. Oh my God. Look at that. Yeah, it's nuts. That's not the one I want. The one below it. The one with the beach. Yeah, that one. That's it. Thank you. Oh, my God. Look at that. Yeah, it's nuts.

That's Breakers right behind it. And there's this cliff walk that you can walk. I mean, Newport, it's gorgeous. It's truly just beautiful, but it's- I think I did a gig there once back in the day. These are all places that you tour now. They're owned by the- They're not owned, but they're run by the Preservation Society.

Nobody lives in them no you could do there you couldn't put a price on what those what is in those things from this is all from the gilded age it's interesting though because it does feel like the wealth disparity in america right now is very similar to this this period in American history when there was just so much wealth and so much of a disparity between the rich and the poor. Oh, my God, $78 million? Oh, that's in the Hamptons. That's in the Hamptons.

I was comparing to the Hamptons to what she was talking about. 14-bedroom home with a 360-degree view of the water in Southampton. $78 million. Oh, yeah. The Hamptons is nuts. I mean, that's where, like... Where's the house? Which one's ours? Doesn't Martha Stewart have a house there?

Isn't that where she... Are both of these? Who? Martha Stewart. I think she's Connecticut. I mean, I think she has a house in the Hamptons, though, too. This is all second houses. $75 million.

That's $75 million? Mm-hmm. You're getting robbed, too. This is all second houses. 75 million. That's 75 million? Mm-hmm. You're getting robbed, kids. 10 acres. What? I was just hanging out with Chris Rock. He's got, or excuse me,

Kid Rock. Oh. Different person. Very different. I was hanging out with Kid Rock yesterday in Nashville. Kid Rock has

the fucking craziest spread you've ever seen in your life. He's got a church on his property that he's converted to something life. He's got a church on his property that he's converted to something else. He's got a replica of the White House. I mean, he built a fucking White House on his property. It's the most hillbilly, redneck, rich shit I've ever seen in my life.

It's a 27,000 square foot house. New money. This is new money, Joe. But it's a 27,000 square foot house with New money. This is new money, Joe. But it's a 27,000 square foot house with two bedrooms. Old money would never do this. Oh, yeah, for sure. He's got a giant gold elevator. As you walk into the house, he's in the process of building it.

And he goes, a lot of people want to hide their elevators. But I'm like, fuck that. When you come to Kid Rock's house, I want them to say, shit, Kid Rock's got a motherfucking elevator right in the front. So he's got a gold shower room. Oh, wow. It's like shiny gold tile, like this glittery gold tile.

The whole thing is literally a golden shower room. His whole house is a party. Oh, okay. All the time. It is a party house. I would hate that. Well, okay. All the time. It is a party house. I would hate that. Well, you're different than him. But he has a 20-person jacuzzi.

It's a giant 20-person jacuzzi with, like, this with the filaments on the ceiling for stars. And he's got, like, old reclaimed beams and these, like, gas lanterns that are hanging like an old mine shaft. It's the craziest fucking place I've ever seen.

Guy Fieri designed his kitchen. Wow. He's got a bowling alley. Does he cook? I don't know. I think he hired a guy. He's that rich? Oh, Kid Rock is rich as fuck.

Kid Rock murders it on the road touring. Murders it. Huh. Yeah. So he's got this huge fucking gym sauna area i mean the house is 27 000 square feet it has two bedrooms wow one guest bedroom one master bedroom wow the view is fucking preposterous the house is nuts how many acres 200 acres oh wow so fuck fuck this hamptons place.

This is bullshit. 78 million bucks. You're getting fucked, kids. Yeah, but it's all about the hobnobbing. I don't know. I'd rather hobnob with Kid Rock. I'm going to be honest with you. These people are probably boring.

He's hilarious. No, I've been. Like I said, I grew up around that entire population. And it's something else. The pink pants and the whale belts and the boat shoes. But the fact that old money looks down on new money is so fascinating.

They so look down on it. You didn't even earn, you didn't even inherit. And they didn't earn it. Yeah, I was saying that. You didn't inherit your money. You didn't even inherit your money. Yeah, you didn't come

from generations of money. You inherit your money. You didn't even inherit your money. Yeah, you didn't come from generations of money. You earned your money like my great-great-grandfather did. Where did they get that money? Like who, what was the business? A lot, it's old money. It's like fiber optics. That fucking fiber optics? No, literally like Campbell's soup and old money, old oil money from Texas.

But those Newport houses look like they're from the 1800s, right? Oh, those houses. Those are all the robber barons. like the Vanderbilts and the Astors and the guys who built the railroads and made all, like all of those people had houses over there. Fucking weird. No, that was a crazy time in history. But here's the thing about this disparity of wealth.

Like how does one balance that out without going full communist? Right? Because when you think about it, there's a disparity of wealth. Don't take my money, Bridget. But how does one do it? Look, I'm the first person to say that I'd be more than happy to give up more money in taxes. If I really thought that it would positively affect communities. If I really thought we could cure some of these deeply impoverished communities that are ridden

with crime and violence and drug abuse. And if there was a way to do that, and the way to do that is to pay more money in taxes. That's not it though. It's this, it's what you talk about a lot. And it's what my friend Carol Roth has written about and is just constantly on the great consolidation as she called it in an essay that I think she put out today, where we need to remove the barriers for people to have to take risks and start small businesses. There were 30 million small businesses before the lockdowns and pandemics and pandemic. And it's most people don't understand those small businesses are 50% of the American economy. And that consolidation between big government and special interests, and all of that wealth being transferred up into the centralization that's occurring,

like why Walmart was open and your small local place wasn't, why you could go, she uses the example in her article, why you could go get your dog's nails trimmed at PetSmart, but you couldn't go to your local hair salon, how it crushed all of these small businesses. But government, particularly the government we have now, doesn't necessarily like small businesses because they're decentralized. They represent decentralization. And so there's so many, and then just today they were talking about the unearned gains.

Did you see this, Jamie? It was like unearned gains tax that they want. And Carol was saying, she's like, don't normalize this. This is just stealing from you. It's like not a real thing. What does that mean by unearned gain? Why don't you explain that better?

Unrealized. Unrealized. Thank you. I'm not the right person to explain even how this. But what's wrong with it? What are they saying? It's taxing you on, how do I explain this? I'm so bad at this.

So an unrealized gain would be if you put $100 in a Tesla and it went up to $1,000 and your $100 turned into $1,000, taxing you on the $900 that is existing in an account you don't actually have because you haven't made that money until you take it. Right. And they would be taxing that. So they would take money before you even withdrew money. Right. Fucking criminals. Yeah, no. money before you even withdrew money. Right. Fucking criminals.

Yeah, no. That's some criminal shit. It really is. When they're just trying to find a way to build this Build Back Better policy that's like 2,550 million pages long and no one's read it. No one's read it. They were trying to shovel that through. There was one congressman who was explaining and he showed it.

He's like, this is the bill. Yeah. And he goes, do you think like, this is the bill. Yeah. And he goes, do you think Joe Biden's read this bill? Do you think Nancy Pelosi's read this bill? No, they have interest inside that bill. Yeah. And they are going to push that through. And then when it goes through, people are going to have to come to the realization that

they didn't know what was in there. Right. But when they say build back better, you're like, yeah, we should. But I think that's- We should pass that bill. Right. I think- But what's in that fucking bill? No, what isn't i think genochrome yeah i i think that that's the the

that's the answer though is to create a robust middle class that's that's how instead of creating this massive welfare class that is dependent on big daddy for everything big daddy government which is driving this inequality you look at how much the you know these tech corporations while they're the fed is pumping money into the markets and meanwhile like cannibalizing main street the whole time and this is process has been going on but it just was exacerbated. And so that's not going to help with the inequality. Yeah, no, it's what happened with small businesses and restaurants

and various places that got forced into closing down while other places were open is nothing short of catastrophic. It's another thing that makes my blood boil. Yeah, and that makes me sick too, because I know a lot of people who've lost businesses we were hanging out with tony hinchcliffe's dad a couple weeks ago in pittsburgh his dad had a restaurant that he ran for 30 years in youngstown and now it's gone it's gone it's gone because they made him close it down during the pandemic yeah so many small businesses

just couldn't they couldn't survive survive. Yeah. It's fucked. It's fucked. And there was no talk of revitalizing those businesses. I mean, I know there was some loans that were passed out to people. You know what's shocking? Like how many people were scamming? Like how many people took those government loans and they just fucking they didn't deserve them they didn't need them or deserve them

like rappers got busted anyone with a corporation and then there was like the whole oh my gosh that's hilarious Georgia man used COVID-19 relief loan to purchase $57,000 Pokemon card I thought this was America

people are still buying Pokemon cards? I guess. They're worth a lot of money. Are they really? Certain ones, yeah. Remember when Pokemon, like people were driving down the street playing Pokemon? Oh, Pokemon Go?

Yeah. That was nuts. It was scary. They were all down by the Santa Monica Pier, like hundreds of them running around. Yeah. Not looking. Yeah.

Bumping and shit. This lady was driving, and she had the Pokemon Go on her steering wheel. I was watching her do it. No. I was like this, because I was in a truck, and I Not looking. Yeah. Bump it in shit. This lady was driving, and she had the Pokemon Go on her steering wheel. I was watching her do it. No. I was like, this, because I was in a truck, and I was looking down. I'm like, look at this crazy bitch. There's still people addicted to it.

Are there? For sure. I know a few. But it dropped off. Jamie's like, I'm one of them. It dropped off. Yeah, but I'm like, that was four, how long ago was that? That was three or four years ago?

Yeah. Maybe more? But isn't it crazy that immediately it took off, and then most people came to their senses what are we doing you know but a lot of people didn't we need people to come to their senses yeah we do but is it going to happen do you have faith that was one of my questions for you is what gives you hope because i've heard a lot of your recent um episodes and it seems like, you know, we can talk about how crazy it is and know it is. And I don't know what you or I could do about anything really other than run our mouths. But I think running our mouths actually does help.

Okay. I really do. I think you help. I really do. You're a voice of reason. Yeah. But what but are you hopeful? Yes. What gives you hope? Because I think people are going to get fed up. I think there's enough people that are going to get fed up. And I think genuinely evil scumbags trip up. And they keep tripping up.

And I don't think they can keep the charade up for very long. What I'm nervous about is the damage that they do before they get busted. Before it all falls apart on them. I'm nervous about is the damage that they do before they get busted, before it all falls apart on them. I'm nervous about the victims, the victims, whether it's small businesses or whether it's children or whatever. Whatever I think that's going to go wrong while they just look to extract money. Right. Like this is my fear is that health mandates, certain things are going to be made that aren't in the best interest of people but are in the best interest of profit. And that scares the shit out of me

because I think there's going to be victims along the way. But I think the more they push good people with these really fucking preposterous ideas, the more people are going to get fed up. Like what's happening in Australia when people are storming these cops and like they won't listen and they're running down the streets.

You can only push good people for so long before they get together and figure it out. What's fucked about Australia is they don't have guns. Yeah. You know, I mean, Australia, they're literally disarmed. Yeah. And they don't have the same sort of power in terms of freedom of speech and expression.

Yeah, yeah. That's really the biggest thing. It's the biggest thing. And they want to crack down on it. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so angry about tech censorship. Yeah. Because I don't think they understand how dangerous this is. Because you can use these tools against your enemies now, but they will be used against you tomorrow.

Yeah. You need to understand this. And I tell everyone who's not too big to fail, because I think there are certain people who they don't necessarily have to worry about the tech censorship as much, although they did do a hit job on our past president. So I don't think anyone is necessarily as safe as they think. But I definitely have had to create a lot of plan Bs for myself. I'm on Rumble with Glenn Greenwald. I'm on Locals where I have all my video and the event that I get disappeared from there.

How many people do you have on Locals? Well, I have people who can follow me and they can just follow me. And it's at Phetasy.com. And then I have people who can subscribe. So it's kind of like Patreon. But you could just follow me and I leave a fantasy calm and then I have people who can subscribe so so but if someone like patreon but you could just follow me and I leave a lot of stuff just open you know like I'll just open it up it's like some of it is public and some of it's just behind the paywall this is on fantasy calm yeah

yeah so like rumble is totally open that's like my public facing version of YouTube yeah and so rumble is uncensored, right? Yeah. I mean, they have like rules like, you know, no freaking you can't be like an open racist and stuff like that. But I appreciate Rumble because at least I know what worries me about like YouTube. It's like a joke. We flatlined at 49. We don't get a single new subscriber.

We're like, I think we're in some weird algorithmic black hole. And it's not like they're demonetizing us yet, but that will happen as it happened to Brett and Heather. And so you kind of, I at least know on Rumble that none of that stuff's going to happen because I'm talking about how boys and girls are different and I'm against the Vaxports. When I had that COVID thing happen, there was an immediate drop off on the number of people that I got every day on Instagram. Oh, interesting. And I think I got put into some weird category.

They put you in like a, it's like an algorithmic black hole. It's fascinating because the amount of likes for stuff hasn't changed. So the same amount of people are still checking my stuff, but the amount of new growth, it's just like, hit the brakes. And you can say that's because people think you suck now, but I have a feeling it's more complicated than that because that whole Sanjay Gupta thing was pretty positive for me overall. Yeah. In terms of the way the general public related to what I was saying versus what he was saying.

Yeah. In terms of CNN lying and catching them lying. Yeah, that was egregious. But the thing is, there's something happened. And I might be looking too far into this and maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like there was a tangible slowing down of growth. Yeah. Yeah. That happened to me on Twitter after something that I did or said, and I've seen it and I try not to be paranoid. And I'm, I'm also just like, well, it's private business and I'm just happy to be here so there is that aspect of me I feel that aspect fuck that aspect because like one of the things

we know but we know because of Project Veritas right you know which is interesting because people demonize Project Veritas right but we know because of their work because of their conversations that they've had where they recorded these conversations that people didn't know where they've talked about Putting people on these lists right talked about making sure that people are shadow banned Right making sure that and you know, they just admitted recently was it Facebook that admitted recently that conservative ideas And that conservative people get treated differently Right, do you know fucking there was a thing on CNN where that Brian Stelter guy was actually saying

we should start treating Republicans differently than we treat Democrats. Yeah, the othering that's been going on is really unsettling and disturbing to me. And it's been going on since Trump. You know, and the people, many of us have been talking about the self-censorship that's been going on. This process of keeping your mouth shut and just going along has been going on for some time.

But now it's extended to like masks and vaccines. And I think that you will push people to a point where they're like, fuck this. I know so many people right now who are having to choose between going to work or getting the vaccine. And that, and some of them are lucky enough to be in a position to make that decision. If you're not in a position to make that decision, it's not really a choice. You know, they try and make it like, oh, it's voluntary. It's like, it's not fucking choice. This was something that was lost during the pandemic with wealthy people that I experienced where a lot of people like we need the lockdowns. We need it.

And I'm like, you have money. You don't have a business that's rotting away that you work for for 30 years like Tony's dad. Right. Where you're fucked. You don't have anything. You're you have a lot of money. So you're happy. Right.

You know, these Hollywood fucks that were like, you know, we need to keep things locked down. We need to stop the spread and everyone needs to stay inside and not go anywhere. That was my piece. Lectures from limousine liberals. It's like you guys got to like stay home and post your pictures of sourdough. And you had your as my friend Carol Markowitz calls it pajama jobbers, which I love. And then sneer at all these people who worked through the whole pandemic because they didn't have a choice. Because the real choice was people who got to stay home and people who didn't. Yeah.

And that's just been now blown out into people who want to get the vaccine, people who don't. And it's the othering, that language is unsettling. Yeah, it's othering across the board, right? They find ways to use othering, but it really is othering. And I don't like that because it doesn't, you know, I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful for podcasts because I do think I joke like podcasts are going to save the world. And I do think that these long form conversations have exploded in popularity in this time when everything is crazily polarized and people are very confused. When you are openly lying about what they said about you, then catching them in the lie and then doubling down on the lie one or two more times, you're losing credibility. And we have a massive credibility crisis with all of our institutions.

And people then are much more likely to fall into conspiracy theories. And, you know, that's what's so dangerous. And they think the solution to that is to censor those conspiracy theories. And it makes them even more conspiratorial. As long as places like Rumble exist, you know, and I think they're going to grow. I think that place is going to grow. Yeah, I love the owners. I love them.

I really, Tulsi's on Locals now. I love, I love like. She's on Rumble. She's on R's on Locals now I love I love like She's on Rumble She's on Rumble and Locals Yeah I think this is One of those things Where they fucked up enough

Where the grip Has slipped to the point Where enough people Are gonna First of all We'll keep saying the name Rumble Right Keep saying it

Yeah Get people to keep going over there Yeah I'm not over there But I certainly would be Although somebody's probably Pretending to be me get people to keep going over there i'm not i'm not over there but i certainly would be although somebody's probably pretending to be me there already i like it over there and it's we don't get the same amount of engagement but then what's happened for now you don't what's happened with us but our growth has been we'll probably have 50 000 subscribers on freaking rumble before we do on youtube and i've been there for two years and

i'm not kidding you it's like all of our numbers just flatlined and every week they like what did you do where they flatlined it was a particular episode it's the women thing i've been going so hard on the trans stuff yeah i haven't been going hard on the trans stuff but i have been going hard on yeah i guess it's a trans stuff it's the trans stuff it is it is because it's by without even saying it without being negative about trans people by saying we need to support the idea that it's okay to say women get pregnant and women give birth and women breastfeed it's not chest feeding people I just don't I I think that women have fought for the

it's funny because my English teacher told me that I was a disgrace to feminism when I was like in high school. She was like, because I was like, what's wrong with opening doors for women? I don't see what the problem is. And I was not really like all on board with the feminist thing. And now I feel like I have become like a radical feminist but hold on the threat has changed well it's a very different prison shit drives me crazy that's another one that makes my blood boil because we're talking about those women's you know like human rights that's a human right violation though so in california in particular but we're seeing you're seeing this in the UK as well, you can just self-identify as a woman and get transferred into a female prison. And there's no stopgap on this. Even if you are a sex offender or you're somebody who has been abusive to women, they will still transfer you into these prisons. You also don't need hormonal. You don't need any.

You used to have to need like replacement therapy. You'd need psychology. You would have to be on medications. And I just think that that is insane. And now you're hearing about women being raped. hearing about women being raped and in the uk there was that recent thing that that they came out and said you'd get a harsher you'd get extended sentence if you misgender a woman in your prison in prison yeah in prison so you're a woman you're in a woman's prison a biological male with a dick intact without taking any hormones comes into your prison if you call

that biological male a he they will keep you in jail longer with him i was joking on dumpster fire i'm like it's gonna get to the point where you're like he raped me and it's like that's extra time for you young lady yeah like it's so yeah and it's fucking crazy and it's people know it's crazy everyone knows this is crazy so how does it get passed through um in california i mean it's people know it's crazy everyone knows this is crazy so how does it get passed through um in california i mean it's not everywhere so it's in california but the the stuff is crazy you know this is where abigail schreier has been amazing on on like the stuff in california where you can basically like trans the kid without telling the parents That's bananas to me that you can do that to a child. And that, and she was talking about how in California, we're in kind of a precarious moment, because right now,

we at least have data about who is self identifying as a woman and being transferred into a woman's prison. But once it gets to a point where they can just have self-identify on an ID, we won't, we'll lose the ability to even track who's going into these women's prisons and is a biological male. So it's just, it seems like it's, and again,

this is a population that people are ostensibly like, we need to, you know, the women in prisons are often and they are. They don't no one speaks for them. Who's speaking for these women? And this is the population we're supposed to be caring about and worrying about. And where is the concern and the worry? And I do think like that whole we spa thing where they were like, oh, this is just a scam. And then you find out the guy is a frickin registered sex offender and has another case pending yeah or the the woman no the guy whatever um if you still have your penis you're not trying i will i will be a polite person and call you

whatever the hell you want if you want me to call you elmo right now joe i'll call you that that's so sweet megan murphy's very hardcore about. Have you ever listened to her stuff about it? Yeah, well, until she got, like, banned from Twitter. Yeah, I know. But that's the thing. People, I say, we know this is nonsense, and people know it's ridiculous. But let me ask you this. But people are afraid.

But how did it get so far? I mean, this is a question that I have. I have, like, there's a conspiracy theory side of me to this because i hear that part oh god do you that's the fun one yeah so there's apparently like the trans movement is um really backed by the george soros. No. Black helicopters. The people who... It's like a stepping stone to being transhuman. And so you can

basically kind of get people used to the idea of switching out body parts and putting microchips and getting a new arm that's biomechanical and so that you can go live on other planets and also okay this is just the conspiracy but who's they this is the thing

about these conspiracies like who's no there's i just i don't know that i i can't remember the name right now but there's this billionaire george soros and no um god do I even want I don't even know. Like, I'm scared to, like, draw the draw out the this is how scared I am. I'm aware of my fear of this conspiracy theory as I'm like, I don't want to mention the name publicly because I don't want to die. Wait a minute. You're worried this conspiracy is real then? I'm worried that these forces are, because this is my question. How did this get so mainstreamed? How did it get so mainstreamed in our policies? Well, have you ever listened to Douglas Murray talk about this? What's his theory?

Douglas Murray said that during the collapse of a civilization, all civilizations become obsessed with gender. Ah. And that the Greeks and the Romans, they all did this. They become obsessed with switching roles and that rules aren't rules anymore. And that in this chaotic state. It's like deconstruction. Yes. Exactly.

Exactly. Interesting. Well, I do know that this certain billionaire. What's his fucking name? It's her name now. Oh, it's a woman? Well well it's a trans woman and is it that person uh nope okay um you just shamed her for no reason put that person on the you son of a bitch it's just for you too um and and they have a lot of money in biotech. Who the fuck is it? I can't remember her name.

Lies. Liar. No, I really can't. Oh, my God. I always forget. How dare you? What country are they from? America. But they have a company in Canada where they do a lot more biotech research that we can't do in the United States.

What kind of shit? It's a rabbit hole. I don't necessarily need everybody to be going down. Anyway, this person is a lawyer, and I think that they've perhaps been very influential in a lot of these cases that are fighting to get these policies. Because how? What's your theory on it?

What is your theory? I? What is your theory? I think Douglas Murray's theory makes more sense. I think there's a trend going on. I don't think one individual person could possibly... Not necessarily. I don't think one individual person is capable of manipulating things at the scale that it's happening right now. I think the way it's happening now,

it seems to be like a psychological trend that coincides with a change in our culture. But there is money involved. I mean, think of all the money that, like hormones, reassignment surgeries. Right. But there's an industry to that, right? If you are spending money, that means someone's making that money. Yeah. I mean, hospitals are making money off these surgeries. There's going to be some of that. There's going to be. And there's also people that are that have already transitioned that are encouraging other people to do so as well.

You know, there's like people that feel like it was a good thing for them, want other people to do it. And so they're more active in getting people to do it. I wish that there was a way you could actually become a woman, like with a pill. Yeah. Or a fucking, you walk into a transformer machine. Then you can go back and forth. And you can go out.

Yeah, I'd be a woman for a couple days, just to see what the fuck you guys were thinking. I mean, it's not fun. Why do you say that? No. You seem to be having fun. I had the worst penis envy my whole life. Yeah, my whole life.

I mean, I think I absolutely would have like trans, transitioned if I was like a young, influential teenage girl online. You mean easily influenced? Yeah, easily influenced. Sorry. Yes. If I was, yeah, I don't know.

I think a lot about that. If I was 13 and online and didn't have this parental supervision and I was reaching out into the void of the Internet and didn't really like being a woman because I was going through puberty and felt uncomfortable and also was just kind of jealous because the boys seemed to have more fun. I probably would have been all in. It's when I look at aliens aliens when i look at the bodies do you have aliens in your in here where somewhere in your house no they come they don't come they they they or they don't stay they just come they visit but when i look at the archetypal alien right they have the giant heads and then they have these bodies they don't have any muscle tone to them or sexual organs. I feel like that's where we're going.

I think what aliens are, when we look at those iconic images like from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, that archetypal alien, I think what we're seeing is what our future is. Like we're transcending gender. Yes. Because if we go back to the early primates, the early hominids, right? What did they look like? Well, they were really muscular and hairy. And then as you get closer to us, we're really doughy and we lose our hair. We're like mushy. Even like muscular people, if you touch them, they're so soft in comparison like a chimp. You feel a chimp's body. It feels like wood.

It is like pure just muscle. They're just fucking. But they're not just jacked. They're dense. Yeah. They're dense in a different way. Like they feel different. And I think that as we get weaker and softer and then we have more ability to manipulate our environment through technology, we're going to have less and less need for muscle.

Yeah. And I think that as we become more and more integrated with technology, like physically integrated, where technology and us have, technology and human beings have a symbiotic relationship that's inseparable. Like we will develop technologies that allow humans and technology to integrate because the only other option is artificial life. Because if we create artificial technology or artificial intelligence, if we create and it's not even artificial life, but it would be like silicon based electrical based life. Right. Like life that's created through humans.

That's our demise. based life, like life that's created through humans. That's our demise. That's going to be the end of the human animal because it'll be able to be sentient. Once it's sentient, it'll be able to create more advanced versions of itself because it won't have the limitations of the human mind. So the exponential increase in technology and innovation will spread so rapidly and so fast. They will improve upon all the systems to the point where we will be fucked.

It will experience thousands of years of evolution in terms of technological evolution in a couple of weeks. I think the way to get through that is we integrate. And that's what you're looking at when you look at aliens. What you're looking at is these tiny bodies

with no genitals and they talk with their minds and they have enormous heads because their brains are fucking huge just like our brains are far larger than than ancient man so ancient hominids so you think this is just the the trans kind of phenomenon is just a it's a transitionary period for us yeah i think we're going to realize that hormones in general and the desire to reproduce sexually in general causes so many problems. And so much of what we look at is inevitable, like tribal warfare, controlling resources, like the ego. All these different things are connected to biological life it's

connected to this need to breed this need to uh to be dominant over the other people the other the other like the reason why people want dictators like why why do dictators want control they want to be dominated over the other humans it's a natural tribal instinct to want to be the leader want to be the one that tells the others what to do. I mean, it has to be natural because it's the default position for most cultures. Most cultures have a guy who's the leader, like the guy who's the head of the Philippines,

the guy who just fucking shoots people, kills journalists, kills drug dealers. Yeah, but this is a default position to be the dictator. What's going on in Myanmar? What's going on in all parts of the world where there's dictators? And they run with an iron fist. What's happening with China?

This is in North Korea. This is like the default position in more cultures than not. What is that? I think it's connected to our biological reward system for breeding and for dominance and to establish this this this hierarchy in terms of breeding hmm

I think once we get past that like as a race and I think it's gonna be a Long process. I don't think it's gonna happen in our lifetime But it could happen within the next thousand years. And I think a thousand years from now, I guarantee that there'll be something that entices us to abandon the idea of breeding. Like you were talking about. I mean, it's being abandoned. But look at this way. where she was talking about phthalates and how phthalates are literally causing, phthalates which are chemicals that are being ingested into the human body inadvertently through plastics and leaking through different pesticides and different things,

are causing our sex organs to shrink, causing sperm counts to drop by over 50%, somewhere around 50%, I'm not saying over, between the invention of petrochemical products and the use of them in our society to now, sperm counts have dropped 50%. Wow. And they're directly coincided with the increase in the exposure to phthalates. And these phthalates, it's spelled with a P, but it's the, like phthalates. But these phthalates cause the shrinking of your taint, which is apparently in baby mammals

the best way to indicate male or female. Oh, wow. Because taints on males generally are 50 to 100% larger than on females. But they're shrinking over time with our exposure to phthalates. Huh. The book is terrifying. And the conversation I had with her, first of all, she's this lovely lady.

She's this tiny little woman, and she's really funny. Like, she has on her, she's like, she makes it fun to talk about the demise of the human animal. Oh, okay. Because on her Instagram, she has the jizz quiz,

and the jizz quiz is all about, like about how our sperm counts are lowering and lowering. I keep reading about this and just sex drives going down in general and people aren't breeding as much. I was just telling something about her. I was telling someone, rather, about her book. But it's fucking excellent. It's called Countdown. Oh, wow. This is the book.

Okay. It's really good. I'll read it. But it's really scary because we've put these things out into the world and people are ingesting them inadvertently through leakage and, you know, but they didn't know about the real damage till, geez, do you remember from the podcast, Jamie? I want to say like the tens, right? 2000, it was like 2011 or 2012 where they started figuring out like oh my god these phthalates

that they can exhibit these changes in mammals they can they can study these changes in mammals where they introduce phthalates into their diet and they show their taints shrinking and their penises shrinking and then also miscarriages rise fertility drops radically that these these are observable in mammals and now we're seeing the same trend statistically in human beings. Wow. Do you think this is a good thing? No. Okay.

No. It's a thing, though. Even the evolution, as you kind of mentioned it, to, like, let's say aliens and genderlessness and no need to procreate? Is that something that's good? Well, what is good? There's a problem. Define good. Is it good to a person that's a female that likes sex with males?

No, it's bad. If you like a man, if you like men, like an actual man, like a manly man that grabs you. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. If you're a man and you like women, you like sexy bodies with proportions that are traditionally sexually attractive to men, no, it's not good if that's what you like because that's going to go away.

At that point, you probably wouldn't even know what you're missing. Well, I think what's going to happen is there's going to be something that's much more attractive, whether it's some sort of a technological thing.'s just going to be something that they can introduce into the human body that makes it obsolete so the feelings that you get whatever good feelings you get like when a man and a woman are attracted to each other it'll be far better than that and you don't have to worry about all the messiness of fucking right and all the messiness of like but i mean imagine

if we could if just there was one thing like see messiness of like, I mean, imagine if we could, if just there was one thing, like see what we're doing to stop COVID, right? What if we had something that would eliminate all rape forever? Right. Forever. So this is like,

we're going to have to all bite the bullet and get our organs removed because we don't need them and we're going to eliminate all sex. And we're going to reproduce through this machine that we've all and everybody has to have a machine in your house and you're allowed to have one baby so it just be it would just

make make evolutionary sense also you can't be selfish Bridget we're going to what are we going to do we're going to ruin the world with overpopulation don't be selfish no we're all going to get our organs removed and we're all going to decide that this is the way we reproduce and the government's going to ruin the world with overpopulation. Don't be selfish. No, we're all going to get our organs removed and we're all going to decide

that this is the way we reproduce and the government's going to dictate how many people... This is like the organ removal mandate coming down the pipe. Listen, this is where it all goes. When you lose bodily autonomy... I'm not a fan of it.

When you lose... But that's what's happening. That's what's happening. People don't understand this slippery slope. These fucking dummies that are like, yeah, you should get mandated because i did it i got my shot you should get your shot take the damn shot i don't know keith olbermann olbermann yeah take the damn shot you're scared you're scared call me mr afraid oh my wow what a good writer you survive from that sick burn it was hard it was hard it hurt. Yeah. It cut to the marrow.

Yeah. I definitely feel like that's what I don't understand is if these things, I just want someone to explain it to me because I was vaccinated under the impression that then I'm cool. Tim Dillon had a great bit on it. Why do I need to give a fuck about what anyone else is doing if I got my vaccine? That's what I don't understand is this like crazy obsession to everyone must get this. Because you're thinking logically.

It's about human control. Humans love to control other humans. And if they can't control humans individually, they like to control. No. I mean, you're kind of like, whatever, get a vaccine. Don't, like, you're not out. That's exactly what I am. Well, I tell my fat friends to get vaccinated, by the way.

You should. I do. I tell my mom to get vaccinated. I tell a lot of people to get vaccinated. The olds, the fats. The thing is, like, this is what people don't want to hear, is that it's not the only option. They don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear that there are therapeutic options, and they don't want to hear that

you should be healthy. No, no one wants to hear that. For my narrative, one of the best things that could have happened to me was getting COVID because look how quick I got over it. Yeah, you're healthy. Yeah, exactly. But I also took the right medication despite what CNN says. This is the other question too because it's like how easy is it

for the average person to have the kind of treatment that you got, for instance? Monoclonal antibodies are available everywhere. Okay. And they're available for free. Okay. I don't know if you have insurance or not in Texas, but in Texas they have them for free. But that's another Fauci thing, and then we need to Google this to make sure this is true. But my doctor friend told me that Fauci is attempting to limit the availability of monoclonal antibodies because through his words, my friend's words, not mine, not Fauci's,

that they are trying to discourage this as an option for unvaccinated people because it's so effective, because they want people to just get vaccinated. Well, that article that I sent you from CNN today was him being like, I've been a big proponent of these, and I don't know what the problem is and why you can't find them. So I don't. Well, this is also the guy that told you wasn't involved in gain of function research and also the guy who didn't bother to tell everybody they were torturing puppies. Yeah. So that's that's just what I wonder, because, you know, as we we know, our health insurance is fucked.

We know our health insurance is fucked, and I think that I was just curious when I was seeing when you threw the kitchen sink at it. I was like, well, would I be able to afford that or get that treatment? Well, all the other stuff is not expensive. Like Z-Packs, that's not expensive. Prednisone is not expensive. And I don't even know if prednisone is good. I've been told by another friend of mine who's a doctor that prednisone was not a good option. And they said that prednisone actually can inhibit your immune system. I don't know. Can a pregnant woman take horse dewormer

gel? That's a good question. That's a good question. Like, is it a good thing to take if you're pregnant? I don't fucking know. I mean, nobody knows. I have no idea. I have no idea. But I do know that they're running studies on ivermectin. There's multiple studies. There's a study going on in the UK. There's a study going on. I want to say it's in North Carolina or South Carolina. But they wouldn't be doing this.

Also, here's another thing. 200 congresspeople were treated with ivermectin. I know. That's what I was reading somewhere. This idea that this is a horse dewormer is so ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, no. It's been given to billions of people. Do you know there's only 59 million horses on Earth itself?

They gave out 90 million doses this year so far of ivermectin, I think, something like that. Yeah. There's only 59 million horses. The idea that this is for horses is so fucking stupid. Even those stories that were coming out about all the people who are calling into the poison control when you dig down it's like two people called but it's not even just that the rolling stone story was a full-on lie rolling stone is a joke though but how much of a joke i mean they've been a joke since they had to retract that gang rape story yeah the, the Virginia story. I mean, I think they lost their credibility long ago.

But this is really crazy because they said that there were gunshot victims waiting in line to get to the ER because so many people in there were overdosing on horse paste. Now, here's where it's a lie. You have to take a fuckload of ivermectin, whether it's horse paste or the other, to actually have to go to theload of ivermectin, whether it's horse pace or the other, to actually have to go to the hospital to get overdosed. Imagine that many people just gobbling pounds of ivermectin. Second of all, the photo that Rolling Stone used was people outside wearing winter coats.

Right. And it was in fucking August in Oklahoma. It's so dumb. Yeah. It's so dumb. That's why people don't believe anything. They shouldn't believe everything. No, they shouldn't.

It's hard. But you don't. Where do people go to believe anything? I was trying to find this. Poison control senders are fielding a surge of ivermectin overdose calls. Yeah. You know what? Wasn't like four of them?

It was seriously. Instead of like they said it was like 70%. Yeah. It's a surge, Jamie. You're causing vaccine hesitancy that's my favorite you're contributing to vaccine hesitancy by telling about your friend who had a stroke but people are already hesitant yeah i mean somebody isn't somebody people have a right to be skeptical i read this actually the i think it was like the Wall Street Journal just did an opinion piece about you. They're like, it's time that we admit that Joe, like the way we framed Joe was dishonest or something.

It was recently. But at the end, his big point was like, it's okay for people to be skeptical. I'm like, yeah, no shit. for people to be skeptical. I'm like, yeah, no shit. That's what all you, me, people who have been raging against this have been saying is allow people the space to have questions

and not delete their video off YouTube if they do. But they're still doing it though. They're doing it like crazy on YouTube. You know, and they won't allow you to have any mention of ivermectin. It makes people more skeptical. Yeah, if you have like ivermectin videos on YouTube, you most certainly will be demonetized. Yeah.

I mean, and you probably get a strike against you. I mean, the Weinsteins have had strikes against their Dark Horse channel. I know. They've been through a lot with this. It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, but it's crazy because they're having conversations with evolutionary biologists and virologists and vaccine specialists. And we can't take away the ability to be skeptical and ask questions.

That is so dangerous. Also, you can't take away the ability for literal scholars in the field of question discussing things. Yeah. the field of question discussing things yeah yeah when you are some fucking woke dipshit with a nose ring and blue hair yeah these are the people who have locked galileo up exactly it's like you you have to be able to have this kind of scientific inquiry in your society and to and the more that you try and push this one thing the more people are gonna to be like, eh, starting to be a little suspicious. There's so much anxiety in the air and most people are cowards. And in the face of cowardice, in the face of fear, a lot of times people just conform and they get angry when other

people don't conform along with them. And if they can find some sort of a rationale for shaming you or belittling you because you don't also conform, even if it denies the existence of all sorts of evidence to the contrary, even if it flies in the face of a narrative that has existed forever, which is don't trust pharmaceutical companies because they use people like goddamn ATM machines because they just extract money from you and sell you medications that you don't necessarily need.

And they also work with politicians to make sure these things are available. And they also have a revolving door with the FDA where they take people who used to work for the FDA and then they put them into fucking nice cushy jobs at these pharmaceutical companies. I was joking about how I chose the brand that got sued for the baby powder. Dave Chappelle has a funny joke about it too. Oh yeah, I saw it on his special. He's very funny. It's just, fuck.

Yeah, I just, it's a very strange time and I wonder how much of it is people are, yes, people can be cowards, but how much of it is also just they're being forced into an impossible choice, i.e. keep your job or get a shot. And it's just about putting mouths, you know, I'm like people when you're faced with like ideology and putting food on the table. Yes.

People are being forced to make. You can't. Terrible choices. Not everyone is rich enough to like stand behind their principles. Right. And most people aren't going to do that anyway enough to like stand behind their principles. Right. And most people aren't going to do that anyway. Most people are scared. Yeah. And then this is a, it's a strange like colliding of ideas because you have at the same time

people that are being forced to make these choices in order to keep their jobs while we're exposing lies about these people that are pushing this in the first place like it's as this house of cards is falling they're getting more and more aggressive about pushing these narratives instead of like slowing down and and instead of like exploring treatments and instead of like having a real open conversation about the risk versus reward of using these vaccines on children, instead of like looking at like, hey, this myocarditis that you say is mild. What's the data? Yeah. Show me what's the data on people recovering from this?

What's the data on these young boys that are more prone to myocarditis because of these vaccines, particularly the Moderna vaccine, which, by the way, they're pulling in many of these countries for people under 30. Outside the U.S., there's other countries that are saying, no, these adverse reactions that people are having to the Moderna vaccines are causing us to pause. But we have a very strange relationship with pharmaceutical drug companies in this country. This is one of only two countries on planet Earth where the pharmaceutical drug companies are allowed to advertise. I know. If you ever talk to Europeans about watching American television, they're always just blown away by how many pharmaceutical ads there are. And I like to, you know, you can tell a lot about the audience.

Like I was watching like a Fox show and it's like, oh, the olds are watching this show based on the pharmaceuticals. But with like CNN, it's all like ads for pharmaceuticals for like schizophrenics. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, good. Yeah, anti-depressions. So the crazies are watching this channel. Yeah, well, the anxiety-ridden people are watching CNN. The liberals, for whatever reason.

First of all, I think there's a probably direct correlation between the lack of guns in the household and them being anxiety ridden because for real and do you know how many fucking liberal friends that i have that are again it seems like now looking for guns again yeah again it's ramped up again yeah we went through this the last time i was here all All of our liberal friends were calling us. The supply chain. Where do I get my cards? Yeah, they are. But the supply chain is changing access to certain things like bullets and stuff.

It's really hard to get bullets right now. People are kind of freaking out. I've had people talk to me about how to get bullets. It's so weird, too, because I think a lot about the flight people, all the flight attendants, the pilots. They were flying through the whole pandemic. Yep. They were, I went to fricking South Africa in February in the middle of the like South African strain,

which they're not allowed to call those things anymore. And it was- Can you call it an English strain? I bet you could. If there was a strain in England. Probably. The English strain. Yeah.

Oh, fine. The English strain. Meanwhile, England is a very diverse place now. Yeah. Like it's not, we think of English as being all white people. You go over to English, you find a lot of people from Pakistan, from Africa. Yeah, it's very diverse. Very diverse.

But if you had an English strain, you might be able to pull it off. I mean, it was funny to me that you couldn't call it. I was like, well, they can't call it like the Chinese virus, but they're calling it the South African strain. This seems like a very strange conflict. Well, the really super hardcore conservative TV shows like OAN and Newsmax. Yeah, those are real. The hardcore ones. Those ones all call it the Chinese flu.

Oh, do they still? The Chinese virus. The Chinese virus. That's what freaking Trump called our next president probably. That's why they do it. Because their supporters are probably like, I love how they called the Chinese virus. Do you think he's I mean, I was so wrong.

I thought for sure. I thought for sure he was going to win. I wrote a whole piece about what I got wrong and I've been wrong about so many things. And the last time I sat down with you, I think it was right was it after the election? Or right before it? I think it was right before was it after the election or right before it I think it was right before there's enough people that were terrified of him and the media did a really good job of freaking everybody out about the possibilities like look we dodged this but do you think that 2024 oh he's he's gonna win I thought this I

thought if he stays alive well here's the thing I't think Biden. I think he's like Rocky training, losing weight. Biden has a real possibility of not making it in terms of like his body. Like that thing that he did the other day where he's locked up. And also just the way he talks. He's clearly struggling. And, you know, I have a friend and she lost her dad to Alzheimer's. Yeah. And she was saying, I watched all this.

And she goes, and then he was dead. Yeah, yeah. And this is coming. I mean, this is fucking coming. This is what I talked about when people were mad at me. You're Trump supported. That's not what I said. What I said is I would vote for Trump before I vote for Biden

because Biden is severely mentally compromised. This is what I was thinking back then. It's way worse now. Now everybody knows it. Now no one can lie. Like it's just there. These things where he just starts rambling and he called someone the president of Pennsylvania. Like he says crazy shit like that.

He said the other day, I was a president of the United States for 36 years. He said he was the vice president. He said he was down at the at the border yeah he was in 2008 apparently drove right through real fast in a limo I've been to the border sure I've been there I've been there I bought a chicken that lock-up thing was that was that was strange I was I said on dumpster fire he looks like a baby taking a poo like you know like behind in his nappies behind a chair. Maybe he was trying to hold back diarrhea. Maybe it's innocent. It's just so weird. It's such a, yeah.

So then we have this, I was. You know what he looked like? I'm mentally preparing myself for, I'm mentally preparing myself for Trump running and maybe winning only because I worry about the mental health of everyone around me in the event that that happens. Here's how he could lose if like Ron DeSantis got together with Greg Abbott and they created a Republican party of people that ran states in a way that kept

businesses open. And everybody wants a shit on Florida, including people like Billy Corbin's running in here, running all these numbers about people in Florida. Like, yeah, a lot of people in Florida died from the virus. They also died in California. And when you adjust to age, when you age adjust, like how many people died, it's not really much of a difference. There are a lot of olds in Florida.

A lot of olds. Yeah. But Florida's economy did fucking way better. Way better. Right. I mean, it really didn't suffer the way California's economy did. And it's weird that they don't take these things into consideration at all. Exactly.

So did Texas. But I think people that have lost their businesses, people that have taken a big hit, those people do look at these people that are not forcing mandates, won't enforce them, and then did allow these things to stay open. If they can get those two guys together, they might be able to pull it off. Yeah, but do you think those two are going to take the risk of running against Trump in a primary and alienating their entire base? I don't know if they would be alienating their entire base.

I don't know. It depends. I mean, he's still got a lot of support. He does. And maybe they think that he's the best way to win. I don't know if they would be alienating their entire base. I don't know. It depends. I mean, he's still got a lot of support. He does. And maybe they think that he's the best way to win. I don't know. But here's the thing. The real problem is on the left. The real problem is on the left because a President Kamala Harris is poison. That's not happening. No one wants that. And then the other thing is Biden. It's like, I don't know if he can make it. And the idea of voting for him again and pretending that he's doing a good job is crazy. I want to reach out to when I, right before the election, I had people emailing me at I am politically homeless doc at gmail.com and they

were yours. Yeah. I am politically homeless at Gmail. Yeah. Well, we have a sub stack too. Hey, so we started a sub stack because I want to start posting a lot of these letters with people's permission. And my husband and I are starting a podcast and it's fascinating. I want to reach out to all the people who said they were voting for Biden. And it was all people, people who came from the right to the center, people who, I mean, thousands of emails right before the election. Tim Poole actually was like talking all about this on his show right before because it was why I really, and I'm sure a lot of it is confirmation bias, but it was really why I thought Trump was going to win because so many people were red pilled.

And I think it is confirmation bias because there's so many people that just did not want him in the office anymore. He's so polarizing. And they were also hoping. He wore people down. Yes. They were also hoping that once he got into office, he was going to change and become more presidential. Right.

And drop that sort of bombastic rhetoric. And he didn't. And he can't. I mean, I always said the only person who could beat Trump is Trump. And I think that's actually what happened. Like, he just could not get out of his own way long enough. How is that true, though, if Biden beat him? I mean, I think, but I think if he had been able to get out of his own way long enough,

and like you said, be less of the kind of narcissistic personality that he is, he might have been able to win. I think what's going to make him win is Biden as a president. I think Biden being a president where, you know, we're not talking about Biden from 1988. We're talking about Biden from 2021 and he's got problems. And it's like we're all going to have those fucking problems when we're 78 years old. Well, I do think the problems people are experiencing now in America compared to what they were experiencing with Trump, which were maybe more psychological, are a lot more real. Like inflation.

A lot more tangible in real life. Yeah. Having a lot more effect on their money and their life and their mandates and businesses. And that wasn't necessarily the case. It was a lot of people just really losing their minds. And what's interesting is Trump is very pro-vaccine. He's just not very pro-mandates. He's very pro-vaccine.

He's telling people, you should get the vaccine. I got the vaccine. I'm happy. And he got the vaccine after he was sick. So he got COVID, got through it, and then got vaccinated on top of that. Yeah. Look, I think that if someone can come along and offer real, legitimate solutions to the problems that we're facing that aren't getting any better. Did you see that fucking pile of people that came through the border yeah the the mexican police

tried to stop and then they came charging through did you see that that was recent yeah yesterday yeah fucking insane a caravan of it looked like i don't know how many tens of thousands of people that was it looked like burt's entire crowd in tallallahassee. That was in, was that in Mexico or is that? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And these are the things

I think the average American is very concerned about. They're concerned about inflation. They're concerned that their dollar isn't going as far. This is one of the,

I had a trucker on my podcast and I said, what are, you know, what's the big, the conversation we're having,

the people who are having conversations and the people who are kind of on the ground. What is the, what's the stuff that's missing? Like, what might we be missing? And over and over, I just heard from people in my DMs, inflation. They're like, when people start realizing that that dollar isn't worth anything, it gonna be make sure you have guns we just did three and a half hours oh wow crazy we could do this every time that's crazy you and I can't stop talking together we're like we haven't talked in an hour so we had a lot of catching up I know we do we did we gotta do it again we gotta do it more often

well we're definitely not staying in California. As soon as my husband has his license, we're out of here. Come on out here, Bridget. And I think the market's flattening out. Yes, it is. Until they start vaccinating kids in California. And they'll start piling in here again. I love you.

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He's hopeful because people are moving with their feet. And he said it's easier to be hopeful in places like Texas and Florida. Yes, I think he's right. But he's like, no hope for California. But yeah, so we have amazing, huge guests. It's like the little podcast that could. Okay. And Joe told me to start it, so you have to listen to it.

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