The Joe Rogan Experience - #1730 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: November 5, 2021

Master bowhunter and elite athlete Cameron Hanes has successfully taken down some of the toughest game in the roughest environments nature has to offer, all in pursuit of becoming “the ultimate predator.” He’s the author of Backcountry Bowhunting: a Guide to the Wildside, and the host of the podcast Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.

the Joe Rogan experience I told you about the mountain lion that Colton and I saw in Utah no but I you didn't but I heard no I heard you talking to Rinella yeah yeah yeah dude yeah it was giant you said it was huge and you were in the truck oh my god i was scared in the truck it was like a giant pumpkin head it was huge it was a 170 plus pound cat like big big cat i've never seen one there but they're there i've only seen a little one like a 60 70 pound one running across the street in Santa Barbara and then one in Colorado I saw in the woods like a glimpse quick glimpse it might even been a bobcat honestly the

one in the Colorado was so quick the one in Santa Barbara was definitely a mountain lion because of the tail yeah but this one was unmistakable this was 30 yards away underneath a tree in like at 7 p.m. Light so it was like just starting to get dark, but it was I was looking at him through the binos That was this year. Yep. Yeah, I was like oh my god. We were both freaking out. He was so big He just crouched down there. Oh His head was so huge It was a big Tom man giant paws his paws. His forearms freaked me out. The forearms were like my legs, man.

Like big, thick-ass forearms. You gotta kill shit. Oh. Yeah. Rough. Oh, God. Meeting one of those fucking things in the woods would be terrifying. After doing that, it makes me want to carry a gun.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because if you're in a situation like that have you seen that video where that guy had to shoot that cat yeah i did yeah that was intense that's intense i know he's like no get out of here get out of here and the thing's just looking at him like i think i'm gonna eat you no and if he didn't have a gun what the fuck i mean i don't know if he was bow hunting or what kind of hunting that guy was doing I'm not sure I thought I saw that clip though. He didn't feel comfortable enough to draw his bow if he did have a bow

You know Holding it full draw Those things are so strong. I mean all Animals like even bear. Yeah, you know you look at bear forearms. Oh, they're massive. Yeah bear yeah you know you you look at bear forearms oh they're massive yeah well i remember that video there's one video of you and alberta with uh that one bear that you shot and as it runs like after the arrow hits it it runs like whoa yeah i did not know they could run that fast that was seven yards and it closed that distance in a second maybe it was crazy It was intense you don't you think cuz normally they're kind of lumbering you know they're like they're kind of slow Cuz I guess they're conserving energy. Yeah, because when they want to go and they can explode they can explode it's

It's weird to watch it's like cuz you don't think something that big can move that fast No, no, they're they're amazing but those those wild animals who you know especially cats i mean they got to be predators so they got to kill with their face you know as you've talked about but bear too yeah i mean incredible it's a wild world out there mister it is it is it really is so you're just back from colorado yeah you've had a wild season man yeah it's been is this your best season ever for bow hunting i don't know you got plenty of meat i'll tell you that yeah giving a lot out to friends huh yeah no i um it's it's pretty cool because i take like uh i have these two coolers at work in the lunchroom and I just take meat in there and fill up those coolers

and say, you know, free meat. And people love it there because there's a lot of people who don't hunt, you know, have no interest in hunting, but they love eating elk and, and different things. I always ask where it's from, um, sausage, uh, hamburger, you know, anybody can use hamburger for tacos uh yep spaghetti so yeah it goes quick and i love giving it out yeah hamburger and spaghetti sauce the uh ground elk in spaghetti sauce amazing so good yeah i had some salami made out of uh the stuff that i got in utah for the first time oh it's out there right now. We have the commercial freezers at the studio. Yeah.

I haven't had any of it yet. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Oh, pepperoni sticks. Yeah, pepperoni sticks off my Oregon bowl. And oh, my God, the best pepperoni sticks. You know, normally at the gas station you'll buy pepperoni sticks,

and it's just they still taste good, and they're just shit meat. Who knows? Probably off the floor. So you put elk meat or pepperoni made out of elk meat oh god yeah it's sensational it's the best food in the world man yep so what what's been happening with you other than uh hunting you got any wild races you're about to do no uh are you laying off those for a while no no just hunting you know i mean that's that's all my you know it's i don't know i think what i like or my whole thing is and you know this well but i train for one reason for bow hunting and it's like i feel i feel so lucky to

have that purpose because i even i there's all sorts of advantages to working out and being in shape and being capable and healthy and everything else. But when you have a purpose, like, like I have a purpose and, and other people have different purposes, but if I see people in the gym, like guys in the gym, they're just training. Not, not I I feel not bad or I don't really know how I feel but because if the goal is just to be big or it just is not the same as having a purpose right you know what I mean so I'm training for one thing and so that right now I'm in this is prime this is my Super Bowl you know right right this is big season all season this is what it's for so yeah I'm in this is my Super Bowl you know I mean this is all season this is what it's for so yeah I'm just hunting right now

yeah for a lot of fighters they have a hard time training after they're done competing like a lot of them get fat because they're done and so they don't have any reason to train hard they lost their purpose yeah but some of them just figure out a new way to fight like

George St. Pierre isn't as good a shape as he's ever been in. Yeah. Because he's essentially like a lifelong martial artist. So his purpose is always to better himself. It's always to be better than he was before. So like when George took all those years off and then came back and fought Michael Bisping, everybody's like, is he going to be rusty? Well, it turns out he's even better than he was before, which is crazy.

That's what he had said, but people always say that. I am better than I was before, but he actually was better. He actually was. Yeah, well, he looked good against Bisping. He looked amazing against Bisping. So where are the fights this weekend? Oh, my God. I can't wait.

What a card that is. Jamie, pull up that card, because this UFC card this weekend is bananas. Jamie, pull up that card because this UFC card this weekend is bananas. There's Rose Namajunas versus Zhang Weili, the rematch, which is going to be crazy. Yeah. Because Rose head kicked her early in the first round and KO'd her in their first fight. And that lady has the weight of China on her back. Like, look at this fucking card.

Like, pull up the whole card so we can see it because it's crazy. Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Vera. That's a big fight. Shane Burgos versus Billy Quarantillo. Quarantillo? I wonder how do you say it. Quarantillo. I don't know.

I like him, though. Yes. Tough dude. That's a great fight. Shane Burgos is a bad motherfucker. Yeah. And Justin Gaethje versus Michael Chandler. Holy shit. Yeah.

And I think that fight opens up the main card. Yeah, that's the main card first fight, which is nuts. And then Alex Pereira, Cowboy Pereira versus Andreas Mikulaitis. Mikulaitis. Mikulaitis. Al Iaquinta versus Bobby Green. That's a crazy fight. Chris Curtis versus Philip Hawes.

Edmund Shabazian. I don't know this dude. Listen to that name. Try to say that. Help me out. You try. Me? Yeah, say that one.

I have no idea. I can't do that. I haven't done my research yet. I'll do my research tonight. Yeah, I don't know. How do you say it, Jamie? I go Nasordine. Nasordine.

Nasordine. Imavov. Imavov. And then A.N. Gary, Jordan Williams. Is that the end? Is that all the prelims? Or is there early prelims? Early prelims. Jean Valente. Scroll that the end? Is that all the prelims? Or is there early prelims? Early prelims.

Jean Valente. Scroll all the way up. Chris Barnett. Dustin Jacoby. He's a bad motherfucker. He came from, he was in the UFC for a while, and then he went over to Glory, and he had quite a few kickboxing fights.

I don't know these guys. They're good. If you're going to be on this Madison Square Garden card it's a wild card they always stack two big cards well three big cards every year one of them is this Madison Square Garden

fight another one is always the July card the one that's around July 4th the fight what do they call that the fans week or whatever? Yeah, yeah, the fan expo. The UFC fan expo. And then depending upon when they have the card in December,

sometimes they have a big New Year's card as well. So my picks are Chandler. Chandler over Gagey. Interesting. Rose. It's a good fight. Colby. Well, you're friends with Colby

yeah who was the other one on the main card let's see it again well the first one is Chandler versus Gagey

and then you got Frankie Edgar versus Marlon Chito Vera right so I'm gonna go Chandler Billy

Marlon Rose Colby. That main event is a tough fight. It is a tough fight to call. Yeah. Because Usman has looked even better. Since beating Colby, you got to realize he beat Jorge Masvidal twice and Gilbert Burns. Street Judas?

Yeah. Twice. He beat him once by decision and then fucking flatlined him in his last fight. Yeah, but Colby would say he's got 20 losses. Street Judas? Yeah. Well, are you speaking for Colby? And then Colby just ran right through Tyron Woodley.

That was a big fight for him. Yeah. So that's, I think he's the hardest challenge for Usman. Yeah. Because he's got the longest gas tank. His gas tank is crazy. Colby has excellent wrestling and his striking volume is insane. Like both of these guys, one of the things they both have is they never fade. Both of these guys never fade.

I was impressed with Usman the last time against Colby. I've been impressed with him every fucking fight of his career. He's a monster. I figured Colby would put the pressure on and he'd get more gassed, but man, he's right there. He's got amazing endurance. His mind is bulletproof. That dude has serious knee problems and you never hear a thing about it. He can't run. His knees are

destroyed he actually had um they do this particular type he talked about it on the podcast there's a particular type of procedure they do where they uh fracture the micro blade yeah micro fracture yeah they do it in the cartilage to try to make the cartilage regrow and it didn't work had the opposite effect fucked his knees up worse i saw him come that i was watching the embedded like everybody does and i saw him coming down the stairs of a plane and like he looked like coming back gingerly yeah like painful it hurts yeah yeah looked like me coming downstairs in the morning yeah but the thing is when he fights he ignores it yeah ignores all that shit and he openly said he said I know I'm going to get my knees replaced when I'm done fighting. He goes, so for now I just go hard. I think he's like, now he, I saw him talking about fighting Canelo. That's interesting. That's kind of,

that was today. I get that he would want to do that for the money, but if an MMA fighter wants to fight Canelo, really they should say, come over to MMA, bitch. That's what they should say. Straight boxing against Canelo, it's tough. Yeah. Well, Canelo's fighting at the same night. He's fighting Caleb Plant, which is one of the more interesting

fights that's available for Canelo other than the Triple G rematch, the rubber match with Triple G. I think this Caleb Plant character is slick. He's a very good boxer. He's got a chance. Yeah. I mean, for sure, Canelo's the favorite because if you look at his resume,

Canelo has a much better resume in terms of the guys he's beaten. That's where it matters, right, because Caleb Plant is super skillful, and he's a legit world champion but he has not faced the level of opposition that canelo has faced right doesn't mean he can't win but you know billy joe saunders also looked like a world beater before he fought canelo right and then canelo crushed his face yeah i mean, he probably retired him. Hmm. You ever see the pictures of Billy Joe Saunders' face?

No. Oh, my God. When they talk about, they showed an image of his skull, or a skull, and all the areas that were repaired on his face. And there's just plate here, plate here. Yeah. After the fight? His orbital was shattered. His cheekbones were

shattered. I think the way the cheekbone connects to the upper jaw was cracked. Wow. Look at that. Look at all that shit. Isn't that crazy? So the orbital, see that stuff in the back of his eye? Yeah. The bone that's like the

shelf that holds the eyeball in got crushed. Oh, my God. So they have to go in, and they put all these plates underneath where the eyeball sits. And then on the outside, on the upper left side of the eyeball, that's cracked. The lower side's cracked. And then look how the cheekbone's cracked all the way down to the upper jaw. And then the upper jaw where the hinge is is cracked. I mean, his whole face got fucking caved in.

God, and that's with those big boxing gloves. Crazy. I mean, how amazing is that? That's power. It was also perfect timing. Yeah. Because Canelo has ridiculous power, but his timing was perfect.

He caught Billy Joe leaning down, and he uppercutted him as he was leaning down. So it was the force of the lean down along with the force of the uppercut, and his face just exploded. Did that end the fight? Yeah, that ended the fight. Yeah.

They stopped it in between rounds. He knew something was severely wrong with his face. Yeah, his skull was in tatters. Yeah. God. Yeah, it's a crazy fucking sport man and canelo we the thing about canelo is so interesting to me is that canelo's a big puncher but he's also really skillful defensively that's usually not the case usually those big punchers they kind of wade in and they

throw bombs and they're they're so they're concentrating so hard on connecting with a big shot that they don't have the sort of defensive skills that a Floyd Mayweather has, who's the best defensive fighter ever, in my opinion. But when he fought Floyd, I think he had such a hard time hitting Floyd that he realized, oh, I've got to develop these kind of skills. Then if you see Canelo, like when he fought Danny Jacobs and he's fought in the second fight with Triple

G too like he developed these kind of defensive skills that he never had before and they keep getting better so now he's like one of the best defensive fighters in the world and also one of the best offensive fighters in the world it's amazing yeah the reason why i brought that up is because kamara was definitely talking about he just wants a big money fights now yeah so i get that well he's probably like a year away from a knee replacement yeah right if you watched him walking downstairs like that i know michael bisping had both his knees replaced once he retired yeah i mean it's same shit and his eye well his eye is not replaced but it's fake yeah he has a well he has like a contact that he puts in that makes it look

yeah it looks good yeah but i've seen him pop it out i have too it's an article yeah i mean yeah so i mean my point was if kamaru starts i was wondering if he's thinking about like the money. So, you know, what's the saying is the wolf climbing the hill is always hungering the wolf on top of the hill, something like that. So, I mean, you know, Colby's still trying to get up there. Kamaru's been up there. Do you lose that hunger a little bit? I don't think so. I don't think so. Not with that guy.

I think at the championship level, like the true champions, and I think Kamaru is like a champion of champions. I think he's in this all-time great category. Like, let's imagine this fight is not taking place right now, and you're not comparing him with Colby. You just look at what he's done so far and his skill level. I think you've got a real argument that he is right now the best pound for pound fighter in the sport if you look at what his accomplishments are one

loss ever in his entire mixed martial arts career has run through everyone in his division including winning the title over a dominant tyron woodley five round route just destroyed him. Beat him pillar to post every round. And then you look at his fights with Masvidal. You look at his fight with Colby. You look at his fight with Gilbert Burns. Gilbert Burns is a dangerous man. And he put him away. And Gilbert hurt him.

He hurt him in the first round. Kamaru recovered and smashed him. Knocked out Masvidal with one punch in the second fight. He's a real argument that he's the best guy in the sport. But if you wanted to see him challenged, you would want a guy who's got killer wrestling, that's Colby, amazing gas tank, that's Colby, unstoppable mentality, that's Colby, and a guy who's been in there with him and knows what adjustments to make.

I think when Masvidal took that first fight, he took the first fight on short notice. Yeah, six days. He had some good moments in the fight, but ultimately he fell prey to Usman's conditioning. And Usman had said the reason why he was willing to fight me then was because he had a built-in excuse. Yeah, I saw that. Which is interesting because that would have fucked with a man's head yeah you call him a journeyman and you know that fucks with a guy's head like the difference in the accomplishments of the two are very different like masvidal obviously has that giant ben askren knockout and he beat up

nate diaz in that fight and masvidal is a bad motherfucker and a very clever fighter. He's one of my favorite guys to watch fight because he's so intelligent. But Usman just demolished him in that second fight. Demolished him. That's what separates very good fighters from all-time greats. And he had a full camp that time. Masvidal did. Didn't help.

No. It actually helped him less. But I think Usman's better than he was before. I think he's, he continues to get better and he's training with Trevor Whitman. Like he, he moved camps, you know,

he used to be down in South Florida and then he made his way. Yeah. He was, it was originally the Blackzilians and it was Stanford's, but he's now with Trevor Whitman, who's a, like a real striking genius. striking genius. Trevor Whitman is a brilliant guy. Yeah. I've always loved what he's done. I mean, because with Gaethje and with Rose, it's like, man.

He's got three fighters in the main card. That's pretty crazy. That shows you how good Trevor Whitman is. He also makes the best gloves in the business. His gloves are fucking fantastic. Yeah. You gloves are fucking fantastic. Yeah. You've been lobbying for those. Oh, my God. They're so good. Well, not just his boxing gloves.

I use his gloves to hit the bag. He makes the best shin pads. He makes the best equipment. It's crazy that you've got a coach who is also designing equipment. And he was explaining to me that the foam that they use, foam that most people use is not this that the best foam it's like the best cost-effective foam so he uses like the best top of the food chain space age technology foam and like you really feel the difference when you like hit things with his gloves like it's better protection for your hands. Yeah, I know.

I've seen, I've watched some stuff on him, and I'm a fan. He's a wizard. He's a fun guy, too. And he has a good relationship, a good rapport with his students, which is so important. Because he's a good guy to get along with.

He's a fun guy. And so watching him coach these people and seeing like three top flight fighters on the same card it's incredible i'm i'm pretty intrigued too with the coaching changes for uzman and colby they both changed camps yeah so what happened with colby you're friends with colby he what was uh what led him to switch camps because he was with att forever it seemed like I mean I don't know it seemed like there's a bunch of drama down there you know because I think Poirier's down there and and uh I don't know it seemed like he's he said that or for what I'm

seeing on interviews um you know there's drama going into train and and he just wanted to get away from that didn't want to deal with it yeah and it's that's a big organization down there basically it's a lot of fighters and so then he switched to this i think it's mma masters and you know small gym they give him the full attention so yeah i don't know well he brings the drama he shouldn't be shocked i mean who the fuck causes more drama than colby i know yeah still, that's how he's so popular. It's both things, right? Which is rare.

He has incredible skill level. He's as tough as they come. And he talks a lot of shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. And most people don't know that he got forced into talking shit. The UFC was about to cut him. They didn't like his style.

They told him. And so then he fought Damian Maia in Brazil and then called him a bunch of filthy animals and said a bunch of crazy shit. Places of dump. Yeah. They went crazy. They took exception to that. He went pro wrestling heel. Yeah.

And it changed his trajectory of his career. What people don't know about Colby, what you know about Colby is when you're with him in person, super nice guy. Oh, he's actually soft-spoken. He's a great guy. He's had dinner at the house. We had elk and just polite, soft-spoken. My wife and daughter, everybody's there

just being as nice as can be. He's a gentleman. That's who he is. That's the real guy. Yeah, for sure. This other thing is like a character that he does which is so fascinating it works i mean i watched an interview him and dc just did just a couple days ago and uh and i mean dc gave him every opportunity he's like do you ever get tired do you ever sit at home and say i would you know could could give it a rest and just be and he's just like no he's like i'm always he's something like he's always on then he's like you know dc said do you

respect uzman you know i'm like as a fighter he's like no so he wouldn't even i mean he's sticking to the script yeah well he's got that pro wrestling heel character down. And if he ever decides to leave the UFC and go to pro wrestling, he would have a giant career in pro wrestling. If he wanted to. Probably. Oh, my God. If he decided, let's say, whatever happens with his career,

but five years from now, if he decides to go to pro wrestling, my God, will that guy have a fucking career over there? Yeah. He's talked so much shit. Oh, I know. It's good. I can't wait. Yeah.

It's going to be an amazing fight. There's something about fights in Madison Square Garden, too, because that place is the most iconic arena on earth. Yeah. You know? It really is. There's no place like it. We were there in 2016 right isn't that when connor won his second belt yep yep when he fought eddie alvarez yeah yeah yeah when he

came to champ champ and he got mad he goes where the fuck's me other belt where the fuck is me belt yeah and we were uh we were down there for the trump um that's right we were there right after trump got elected and uh cam and i went to the gym and we're leaving the gym and as we're leaving the gym apparently a fucking protest had broken out and we're like oh jesus we got to walk through this and so we had to walk through this protest and uh i'll never forget like these virtue signaling people screaming and chanting. Yeah, yeah. It was entertaining. We were joking like, I'm sure this is really making a difference.

It made no difference. Yeah. It's just that people love to hate things. I mean, it really goes back to the Colby thing, right? People love to hate things and there's also people that love to hate the people that hate and so that made them more into trump than ever before the thing about trump is like more people hate him than any president i think ever except for biden i think right now biden's coming close he's pulling in strong

for different reasons though, they more feel bad because he shits his pants and stuff, allegedly. Oh, God. Allegedly. That's what I heard. But, I mean, he's clearly got dementia. I mean, I'm going out on a limb. People are like, who the fuck are you, a doctor? No. Listen to him speak. Yeah. It's a train wreck every time. Something really

wrong. And it's sad. And it's not fair. It's not fair to him. It's not fair to the country. It's wrong. And it's causing people to lose faith in the Democratic Party like for sure The the the Democrat Party is in real trouble with that guy at the helm. It's not it's not right, but they hated Trump Yeah, so much they would take that over Trump. Yeah Originally they did I don't think they thought it's gonna be this bad though They tried to pretend it wasn't and they got mad at me because when i said that i'm not a trump supporter i said but i would vote for trump before i'd vote for biden people like oh joe

rodman's a trumper he's a trumper that's not what i said what i said is i would vote for trump before i'd vote for biden because biden is in a process of obvious decay and if you fucking people can't see that i don't know what to tell you. You're all a bunch of partisan weirdos who won't look at things for what they really are because if you say it, then people will get mad at you. I'm not worried about saying things that people are going to get mad at.

So I'm just going to tell you what's going on. That guy's dying. He's a fading candle. And you fucking idiots are counting on him to illuminate the way. And it's not going to work. It's not going to work. I. It's not going to work. I mean, he's representing us.

Like, where was he, Justin? Where was that? Yeah, the climate summit. Yeah. And he fell asleep. Falling asleep? I mean, so you're like, wait, I thought this was important. The most important challenge we're facing as a world.

And it's so important you're falling asleep as they're speaking about it. It's like, what is going on? It's not good. And then an aide had to come over and wake him up. You see that? No. Someone noticed, Biden's asleep. Shit.

The guy runs over. You never seen it? No. Watch. The guy comes running over to him and just, Mr. Biden, Mr. Biden. And he waits. No. But it's every time he's featured on something, it's a train wreck.

By the way, I would fall asleep at that shit, too. Yeah. What are they doing? Why does everybody have to meet in person to talk about climate change? What is the whole purpose of that? Meanwhile, Russia and China was like, eh, you go ahead. I'm here. Out, fucking cold.

That would be me, too, right next to him. I'd be snoring yeah what about the the lady right in front she's asleep too yep she's she's not now too so the guy's going what what happened i've got my pen let me hold my pen like what happened i fell asleep i just shit my pants like what okay he's like pay attention pay attention. Time to clap. Clap. He has no idea what he's clapping about. He's rubbing his eyes.

I mean, it's not fair. The guy's 78 years old, and he's also had major brain surgery. He's had aneurysms, like serious aneurysms that would have killed a lot of people. He had a widow maker. It was like one of those things where most of the people that have it don't survive. They have to take the top of your skull off and then operate and then sew that bitch back on. What? But I wouldn't, I mean, whatever.

But he's our president. Yeah. It's terrible. Well, it just shows you what's really going on. I mean, you need to know, in one way it's transparent because we've all wondered like how much say does the president actually have? Like what is how many people are really pulling the strings behind the scenes? Well, now you get to see like there's it's clear. There's no way this guy is on the ball in charge of everything.

No, but so I thought you were going to say like how much sway does a president have? It seems like quite a bit because you see the way the direction of the Democratic Party is going. I think that's the cabinet. I think that's all the people around him. It's Kamala Harris. It's all the other people. It's Nancy Pelosi. Well, I know, but he's got a big part of that, you know.

But it seems like it's just a free fall right now. It's not good. They can't get their infrastructure. Or what was the big trillion dollar? The Build Back Better bill? Yeah. That shit's all bait and switch. Here's the thing they did with that.

They were like, we're going to make sure that people have paid leave, paid paternity leave. And they let you know, we're going to put this in there. We're going to put all this. So free shit for everybody. But then it all goes away. By the time the bill gets signed, all that stuff's gone. Yeah, but they can't get anything through. Right.

They can't get anything through. I don't think they wanted to get that through. I think with a lot of those things, they propose them so that all the progressive feel really good. And then once they get it into place, then the big corporate machine behind it is like, Hey, fuckface. You're not passing any of that, right? No, no, no. This is nonsense.

You ever see how big the bill is? Yeah. it's like there's no way anyone's reading it no one of the republicans a republican senator held it up and he was like saying like do you think joe biden's read this oh my do you do you think nancy pelosi's read this they're not they haven't read this don't you i mean politics it's gross. Yeah. It's the grossest thing in the world other than murder and rape is the grossest thing in the world. Right. Other than like, yeah. Other than those things and war, it's the grossest thing in the world. Yeah. I don't know. I just, it's, it's so corrupt and so dirty and, and I don't even know, because I saw this headline today about, because of all that, that happened in Virginia and all the results there recently. And they're saying, you know, the Democrats are, I don't know, panicking or something like that based on those results. And it's like, they're panicking because they're, they, the thought of losing power. they're panicking because they're they the thought of losing power and to me that seemed i mean do we care about the country right exactly we're not thinking about or do we just care about power right we're thinking about parties winning yeah we're not thinking about the country so it's like

why why is that bad if it's good for the country it seems like okay well hey we can get better we can do this we can do that you know we lost for this reason this we need to step up here it's like no that's not it they're panicking because they're gonna lose power it just i was thinking to myself god what a mess it's a mess it's a mess and there's there's a giant division in this country where people feel like the country's lost if their side doesn't win and if their side wins then they feel like they've got to hold on to this to fight off those other people on the other side because those people are bad. Yeah. Here's what freaked me out, and it didn't seem to bother a lot of people.

The Biden administration blocked the release of the JFK papers. Yeah. JFK was shot in 1963. How weird is that? They're like, nope, people are still alive. Some people that would be fucked are still alive what that tells me the government killed there's some shady shit going that's what that tells me yeah that doesn't tell me that the the mafia killed kennedy or the russians killed kennedy or the cubans killed kennedy that tells me the government probably had that motherfucker whacked. They're hiding something. Yeah. They're hiding something.

100%. Yeah. It's 1963. That shit happened four years before I was born. It's 58 fucking years ago. Yeah, and still got to still hide it. Not yet. Not yet.

Not yet. Hold it. Yeah. Wait another 25 years. Unbelievable. It's crazy that they could even justify that, that someone could even justify that. That someone could keep historical information

that's relevant to our understanding of how the country really functioned in 1963. They keep that from us because it must be relevant to how the country still functions today. It must have some bearing. A president being killed. Yeah. And we

can't know all there is to know about it. Right. What do you know, you fucks? Yeah. I want to know that more than I want to know about UFOs. I want to know, what did you bitches do? Yeah. What the fuck did you do, Al Inspector?

I don't even know who that is. Arlen Specter. Both of them. Fuck both of them. Fuck both of them. He was one of the guys that was on the Warren Commission report. I think it was his idea for the, I believe, see if this is right. I think he's the guy who came up with the idea for the single bullet theory, which is

the dumbest fucking theory. You're a guy who's shot a lot of rifles. When bullets hit bones, they get fucked up. Oh, yeah. That bullet was pristine. And they found it in the gurney. Oh, look, magic. On Connelly, Governor of Texas, Connelly's gurney, they found this magic bullet that they think did all the damage to Kennedy and to him.

Went through two people, broke bones. And it was not mushroomed out or anything? No, not even a little. You never seen it? I haven't. Oh, you're in for a treat. Generally credited to him is what it says. What's that?

Yeah, generally credited to him is what this says. I was trying to find out who. Arlen Specter? Yeah, Arlen Specter is the guy. He was a creep during the Bush administration. I remember listening to him talk on TV, and then when I found out that he was a part of the Warren Commission that actually came up with the single bullet there,

I was like, oh. So look at that bullet. That's it. Wow. like as a hunter yeah as a guy who's shot bullets when you look at that you're like there is no fucking way and i've had arguments people say actually that's a that's not a good photo if you look at it from another angle you know you could see that it has some distortion. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Every bullet I've ever seen that's been in an animal is mushroom. Destroyed. That's how they perform.

They mushroom out, and there's a fine line between basically coming apart to where the damage would be dissipated, and then mushroom. None of them look like this, though. Zero. Yeah. There's other photos of it where it shows that it's slightly distorted. Yeah, that's not even right, but the re like there There's a good that somebody actually tried to say that to me no no you see to look at it from this angle I'm like I'm like still nothing you don't know anything about guns

You need to shut your fucking mouth because that's something that was shot into a swimming pool That's what happened there. Yeah, that's what a bullet looks like. Look at that. There are even more mushrooms than that. So that must be one of the bullets. But that's possible. Yeah. That's possible.

But yeah, like modern bullets. Another thing we have to think of is maybe modern technology, the bullets that we have, is better than the bullets they had back then. But either way, there's no fucking way. Here it goes. Every bullet shows signs of damage, exerting force, breaking bones, damage to the initial shooting,

except the magic bullet. Yeah, there's no fucking way. And they had to come up. Here's the thing about the, this is the thing about the theory. Like, by the way, I have lost months of my life studying the JFK assassination. I really have. I've spent so much time reading books on the JFK assassination.

But one of the reasons why they had to come up with this theory that this one bullet did so much damage is they had to account for three gunshots. had to account for three gunshots. And once they found out that a bullet had hit an underpass and it had chipped the curb stone and ricocheted up and hit this guy. So the guy had to be treated at the hospital for a ricochet from the gunshot. So they knew that that was one bullet that did not hit Kennedy. It hit the curb stone. There's two. So there's two.

And so one bullet blows a hole through Kennedy's head. And so they had to come up with another bullet that went through his back, it went into Connolly, through his wrist, and I believe it wound up in his thigh. Yeah, this is how they think the bullet went. Which is just, and people say, no, no, you have to take into account that Kennedy was in an elevated position. Listen, bullets do wacky things when they go into animals. And I was talking to a guy once that told me in the war that they shot a guy in the head and the bullet came out of his eye going forward.

Like it ricocheted off the back of his skull. Really? Yeah. He goes, bullets do wild things when they hit bones and ricochet off stuff, but they don't take turns. No. They don't take turns like that. There's a reason why the bullet would ricochet inside someone's head

and then come out. Yeah. The initial impact is slightly slowed down. It bounces off the back of the skull and then comes out. It probably clipped the eyebrow or something coming in. But either way, they don't come out looking like that. Not after they did all that shit.

And there was more damage. There's more, rather, fragments inside Connolly's body. More bullet fragments they found in Connolly's wrist that were missing from the bullet. They should have immediately discounted that bullet and said, who gave you this bullet? Who the fuck are you? Where did this bullet come from for real?

You're under arrest. You're under arrest because I want to know where you got this fucking bullet. You're going to start talking. Why can't we see that information? That's in there. Also, the hole in Kennedy's neck in

Dallas, it was called an exit wound. They called it, or an entrance was a bullet hole. But then in Bethesda, Maryland, they said it was a tracheotomy hole. His fucking head was missing. Why are they doing a trach on him?

Why would they do that? Bullshit. Bullshit. And then we didn't really know anything until they saw the Zapruder film. The Zapruder film, which came out, we talked about this yesterday, came out in 73, right? No, 75? 75. So it was 12 years after the assassination that Geraldo Rivera and Dick Gregory played the Zapruder film on television.

That was the first time anybody had ever seen it outside of those folks. You know what they need to do? They need to put you in charge of the investigation. I'll be dead in a week. Listen, it's amazing to keep me alive just talking shit on this podcast. I know. I'm surprised Fauci hasn't knocked you off yet. That guy's got to worry about his own life. The NIH is going to take him out. Rand Paul was grilling him today. Today? Grilling him today. They should but you could see him panicking and trying to say under the definitions of what is gain of function and Rand Paul was just grilling him the NIH

Themselves has said that you're lying And you could see finally he's nervous. Yeah, fine because he's been arrogant and smug. Yeah, because he felt he was making documentaries Yeah, well now he doesn't feel like that anymore like today was the first time he looked feeble and nervous Good like well while Rand Paul cuz he realizes the walls are coming in They're closing in that motherfucker is probably responsible for millions of people being dead God or at least Responsible for the kind of research that could have led to that leak and if that's where it came from yeah that's responsible for millions of people being dead and meanwhile he's pretending he lied he lied and said that they didn't they didn't fund it they did and rand paul's been fucking on his ass the entire time for months this whole time

he's been on him and with all due respect, you do not know what you are talking about. Yeah. But he did know. Yeah. He did know. And now Fauci knows what the world knows. Once the NIA stepped out, when the NIH rather stepped out, and they said, no, this is gain of function research.

This is, you funded gain of function research. Then Fauci's like, his fucking heart's beating 150 beats a minute. Yeah. Fuck. Did you watch his documentary? 15 times. I don't know who would watch it, but he had one, right? It's the most ratioed documentary that's ever been seen on Rotten Tomatoes, I think.

What is that? If you look at what the critics say versus what the people say, it's like 2% of like it's like two percent of the people liked it oh so it's opposite of chapelle's exactly opposite yeah yeah exactly okay we're fucking media today it's so gross there's so much fake people fake corporate controlled puppets brought to you by pfizer oh yeah i know i've talked to so many people about that little clip. It's an, I mean, good morning. Good morning. Yeah, I know.

Should be illegal. If you're talking about those things, you should not be sponsored by those things. Russell Brand actually had a good, I watched a little clip he put together on that. Yeah. That was on point. Russell Brand is one of the best journalists in America. It's crazy. Is he in America?

He is when he gets to my fucking phone. I should say the world. No, he lives in the UK. Yeah, I know. I mean, he breaks it down. He does. And he'll talk about, like, he talked about how they were talking about you.

And so they would introduce you as controversial. Ha. You know? Well, I guess I am. And he's like, he goes, how about respected or whatever? I mean, but they use the word controversial to get that. To dismiss me. Yeah, to get the tone started going down that path.

It used to work. All their tactics that they're saying, like dismissing people, calling them a this or that, it used to work. The problem with doing that with me is millions of people listen to the show. They know me. Yeah. I can't hide. Right. I've been doing this for so long. work the problem with doing that with me is millions of people listen to the show they know me yeah i can't hide right if i've been i've been doing this for so long right there's so many hours of footage the people that listen know me so when you try to pretend i'm something i'm not they're like what the fuck get the fuck out of here yeah well we're in a weird time in this country man

because there's so much censorship and these corporate entities that control these tech companies, right? These tech companies control a giant part of the discussion in this country. Because if you try to say certain things on YouTube, you will get censored. They will remove your video. They will take it down. They will demonetize you. They will remove you. First of all take it down. They will demonetize you. They will remove you. They will, first of all, they will try to disincentivize you.

They would try to make it so that you will not make money if you talk about alternative methods of treating COVID. They will fucking take, even if you're a doctor, even if you're an epidemiologist, you're a scientist. They've deplatformed doctors. Yes. They've removed Senate testimony by doctors telling congressmen, telling important people in government how medications work, how diseases work. They remove them. They're like, we know better. We run YouTube. Unbelievable.

And it's scary scary and the same thing with facebook and these other social media platforms there's so much power now and then when you realize that these these people are all in cahoots yeah they're all in cahoots with the democratic party they all get their fucking talking points and what's what's legal not legal to talk about and then it goes to mainstream media, to CNN. But what they don't understand is by doing this, they're just making people understand that the hustle is real. Yeah. That the fix is in.

Yeah. That it is all a goddamn con game. Well, when they see that now and they say, you know, ABC News brought to you by Pfizer. Now people are going, wait a second. Exactly. news brought to you by Pfizer. Now people are going, wait a second. Exactly. This is why you'll never hear a negative word about the vaccine on ABC news because they'd be like, what the hell are you doing? They're paying our bills. They're paying you. And you could say a lot of good things about the vaccine. Here's the thing about the vaccine. It's not bad, but we need to be accurate.

Like you can't not tell people about the negative response that some people have you can't not tell people yeah about the adverse reactions just say hey here's what you're dealing with you make the decision yeah it should be you should know all of it yeah they should report on the deaths they should report on all these soccer players that are having fucking heart attacks yeah there's your report on all these different things. Say what is going on, but also show all these people that got COVID and they were vaccinated and they survived and they're okay. And maybe they wouldn't have. Show all these people that are older.

Show all these people with compromised immune systems. Show your hand. Show everything. Show your hand. And then people make the decision. Don't force people into taking this shit. That's where, like, and Biden is still pushing that vaccine mandate with employees or employers with over 100 people. Yeah.

You know, and now they have until January 4th. And that could be the way I quit my job. Good. Good. I'm just trying to get you to quit your job. More than 100 people where I work. And they've been, the general manager there has been pretty good about it. But it's like they say, you know, if OSHA says this or it's a mandate,

it's like, man, it's tough. Yeah, it's wild. I never thought we'd be in a position where an experimental vaccine would be something that people are forced to take if they want to keep their job or travel or go to restaurants or go to bars, especially when you have natural immunity. Like there are people that have survived COVID. Look at those antibodies, son. I got fat antibodies. Oh, so you've had, oh yeah, no, you had it, of course. I've had it. So I got antibodies. Like my antibodies are better than people's antibodies

if they get a vaccine and I can't go places. Like we're going to be in New I got antibodies. I have it. Like my antibodies are better than people's antibodies if they get a vaccine. Yeah. And I can't go places. Like we're going to be in New York City tomorrow. I can't eat there. We have to go to Jersey. God. Here's the thing, Cam.

When you go to Jersey, we're going to go to Jersey tomorrow for dinner. Yeah. When we go to Jersey, we're going to go to this nice steakhouse we went to last time. There's fucking no masks. Yeah. Everybody's treating like nothing's going on. How? So.

And they're all fine. I'm in the airport and it's like these flight attendants, they're just like, mask over your nose, sir. Mask over your nose. If you have it here right below your nose, no. You're killing people if you do that. Dangerous. Mask over your nose. It's like, are you kidding me?

How crazy is this? Well, and also, their cloth, these paper masks, they're nothing. They're not protecting. They're like, there's all these gaps in them. Yeah. Have you ever seen when the doctor blows the vape through the masks? I showed it to Sanjay Gupta because he was talking about masks. He brought up the fact that I sell masks on my website.

I forgot I sell them. There was like something someone that works for me made these JRE masks. But that was because you have to wear masks everywhere like well that you know branded bills who makes my stuff they said hey do you want to do masks and i'm like no good for you fucking mass i was a whore i probably made 50 and i look like a piece of shit for it uh but this uh doctor made this video on he put it on youtube where he take you know those people that make those crazy vapes, like the box vapes where they take a hit and it blows crazy smoke. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, this guy puts various masks on and blows through these masks with the vape so you can see. And he's like, by the way. It's all coming through, probably. And the vapor, he's like, the vape molecules are far larger than the molecules for COVID. He's like, the vape molecules are far larger than the molecules for COVID. So this idea that this thing in front of your mouth is stopping COVID particles from getting into the air. I will say this. I had this mask the other day because it's like whatever for the airport.

And I had it on and I could barely breathe. I'm like, what the fuck is up with this mask? So it was actually an N95 mask. Oh, good one. Yeah. So it was one that probably does something, I guess, if it's fitted right. But that compared to like the normal, like you just,

hey, you got to have a mask so you put this thing on. Right. I mean, I can breathe just fine with those. Yeah. So they must not

be doing anything. Well, he even chose with the N95 mask. It comes out the sides. Yeah, I'm sure. Like it comes out. It's just, it's so ridiculous.

It might help a little. I mean, it might catch some stuff. But this idea that. It's just, it's so ridiculous. It might help a little. I mean, it might catch some stuff, but this idea that it offers real protection, like if you knew that you're going to wear one of those masks and walk into a plague house where everybody's dying of the plague, you wouldn't wear that fucking cloth, paper,

whatever the fuck it is thing on your face. Those will work if you were going to cough and cough a loogie into somebody's mouth. Watch this. Show them with the paper masks. Yeah, so here's – go all the way to the beginning. Watch this. Look at this.

Is this the first one? Do the first one. Do the first one because it's got the goofy one. Yeah. Yeah, go to that one because this is the most ridiculous. Look at that. Yeah. Bro, it's coming out. The sides, it's coming out goofy one. Yeah. Yeah, go to that one because this is the most ridiculous. Look at that. Yeah. Bro, it's coming out the sides.

It's coming out everywhere. That's what I say. You could cough a loogie and it would stop that. Watch this. I mean, this is nuts. Yeah. It does keep it from coming out a little bit from the front. Yeah.

But it goes sideways. So you just make the people sick that are sitting next to you. Like, look at that one. Yeah. It's nuts. It comes out. If you can breathe in, that means that you can breathe out and the air comes out, which means that, I mean, maybe it's stopping some of it. Maybe it's filtering some of it.

I would like to see, like, real data. I mean, I don't know how they would do that. I mean, I think they've done data in terms of, like, infection rates of people wearing masks or not wearing masks, but it's so hard because so many of these studies, they're so biased. Like you can tell

that they're saying things because they want to come to a conclusion. Yeah, I believe you and Russell Brand. Don't believe me all the time. I believe Russell before I believe me. Okay. I believe Brett Weinstein. I believe people that are

sticking their neck out that are risking their livelihood you know it's just the censorship is the scariest thing because people don't understand that by censoring people you're just making the other side seem like they have a point yeah even if they talk nonsense even if it's like q anon shit they're nutty people You're still making it seem like they have a point Did you know that there was a bunch of people that went to Dallas yesterday? Because they thought the JFK was returning and then he's gonna be Trump's VP Jr. Jeff kid junior. Yeah. Oh, I thought it was JFK senior. No. Oh

Remember they think that's part of the QAnon thing. They think that JFK Jr. is some guy, and they thought he was at the Capitol Hill thing. In that documentary, they show who the guy is. So this is how dumb these motherfuckers are. They went to Dealey Plaza. Be careful. You're talking about me. No, you're not. You don't believe that.

I'm kidding. How dare you? They went there, and they waited for JFK Jr., I guess, to appear. And they're like, any minute now. He's coming any minute now. So these videos, these dorks, they've been without QAnon for months now, right? It's 10 months since January 6th. Yeah.

They're like, what to do? What to do? Oh, I know. Once they realized that the QAnon stuff wasn't real, they're like, damn, what do I do? Look at these dorks. All waiting around. Dirt. Oh, no. Look, they got lawn chairs and shit.

Isn't this where they'd have the undercover FBI guys, too, though? Yeah. The FBI guys are like, we need a riot. We need a riot. Oh, they have Qs. Qs that make America great again. Hats on. Oh, God.

Fucking dummies. Yeah. That's brutal. Well, this is the problem, though. It's like when you- Oh, I saw a shirt. Trump and JFK Jr. You see that?

Oh, let me see that shirt. Right there. Oh, God. Oh, my God. These guys, they get together and they all share three brain cells. Oh, yeah. This is so silly. That's brutal.

But so on the opposite side of this is the liberals. So they have just extreme liberals. Oh, yeah. I think that the squad is about probably the polar opposite of that, isn't it? Yeah. And the people that follow them like religiously and cry when they see them. It's like there's just groups of people that find a thing, whatever that thing is, whether it's Q anon or whether it's like uh marxism like whatever it is they they find a thing and then they find a bunch of other people that are willing

to agree to that thing and then they get in an echo chamber and they they fucking just yell at everybody else well that's their like i said you know training is bow hunting is my purpose for training that's their purpose it's like that's what they've attached their whatever to their identity essentially and so that's just what it's all about they're like mind viruses like people catch a mind virus and then they hang on to it like q anon is like a mind virus it's weird how you people could be that gullible though you know what i mean it is but then you think about cults yeah they get you to chop your balls off yeah but it's happened for yeah forever since as long as humans

have been around there's been people who i don't know it's just isn't that strange about our species it is what people look uncertainty scares a lot of folks yeah and they don't like it. That's why people stay in the same place, and they don't do any adventures. They don't try anything dangerous. They just stay in their lane, and they rot away like that because they're just afraid of the risk. And so because uncertainty makes people scared, when they can find people that will assure them and reassure them and provide them with a framework and they don't have to do any thinking, they cling on to that. And then they find a bunch of other people who agree with that and then they reinforce each other. And then they attack anybody who disagrees with that opinion because you're literally attacking their

very existence. Yeah, I guess so. Bunch of bitches. Weak-ass bitches. There's a lot of weak-ass bitches out there. And I'm becoming less charitable as I've gotten older. Yeah. I would have thought as I got older I would be more compassionate to some of these people. But now I'm just like, where's the fucking wolves?

We need wolves in the streets. Taking these dummies out. Yeah, I mean, you just talked about how people, they don't like the uncertainty. They like, even if it's, I mean, I thought it's something weird for a second though, but even like, you know, they say women who have been abused, they stay in that relationship. Sometimes, yeah. Because maybe that's, because it's a known evil i guess you know what i mean so then i was thinking i saw this clip the other day and uh it was this guy

says he says he asked people if they would take 10 million dollars if you know what you could you do would what could you do with 10 million dollars you know and people said they could live you know a good life for a year, 10 years or however long. And he goes, okay, well, what if I gave you $10 million, but then you wouldn't wake up tomorrow? And they said, well, no, I wouldn't do that. He said, so that means your life for a day is worth more than $10 million. Otherwise you would take it and you wouldn't wake up tomorrow. So if your life is worth more than $10 million for a day of living, why do you just wake up and just go through the motions? Why aren't you waking up and putting that value on it and saying you need to make the most of it and, you know, appreciating every day you have if it's that valuable to you if you put it in those terms?

Yeah. And it's weird how people, you know, when you put it like that, it's an easy decision to make. But when you just say, well, I'm just going to wake up and go through the motions, it's like, are you really maximizing the value of your life, the gift of life? Yeah, it's interesting how people develop these patterns. these patterns and one of the things that they do is like unless something radical happens to you where you feel like it's all going to be taken away you just can take it for granted like those near-death experiences are so profound for people because so many people have something happen like a cancer scare or maybe a car accident or some kind of a near-death experience where they walk out of it and then they realize like they could have lost everything

yeah and then they got another chance yeah but you always had that you always had yeah this life that has endless possibilities why does it take a wake-up call right i think there's also a part of the there's a problem with most people's existences this is why i've been trying to get you to quit your job most people's existences you're doing something all day that you don't want to do yeah and you have all this adventure that you do on top of that mm-hmm but a lot of people don't so their existence is this dull drone of doing things they don't want to do all the time and then when they get home they just watch TV and eat right and when

they see people that are daring that take risks they attack them they hate on them and that's through the comfort of their own phone and through the keyboards they like to shit on people that make them feel uncomfortable and they'll talk shit about your ambitions and like what the fuck is wrong with them why is he running every day why is he working out so much like the kind of stuff they do for you though i see it yeah i'll read your car i don't read my comments but i'll read yours yeah but that's why they do it they do it because they feel they feel inadequate because they have not lived they're not living a maximized life. But they could.

That's the thing, they could. It's not easy. And the longer you get into that life, the harder it is to get it. If you're 55 years old, and you've been living this dull-ass, boring life your whole life, and you've never taken any chances, and your body looks like shit,

and it's fat and doughy, and you're tired all the time, and you decide, I want to be a beast today like boy you got a long road son yeah you know people do it i mean people i don't know if they turn into beasts quote unquote but they lose 100 pounds hey man if a guy loses 100 pounds he's a beast yeah that's a that's true herculean effort yeah i mean and i've i've we've talked about this before, but even where I work now, there's people who I worked with and they'd say, well, you keep that up.

You won't be running when you're 40, you won't be doing this. You won't be doing that because your knee replacements, you're going to break your body down. You won't be able to walk and all this. But what happens is, and, and we talked about this with Goggins the other day, but your body, his was pretty extreme, but your body does adapt to the load you put on it. Yes. And they say instead of, it's not running breaks your body down, running strengthens your body. And runners actually have stronger joints, stronger knees, stronger hips because they've been, their body has adapted. Right.

Yeah. It's like everything else like tie fighters like if someone kicks you in the shin that hurts like hell you're right but tie fighters can kick fucking trees why because their their their bodies adapted right it just hurts to adapt yeah and to be able to do things that are difficult you you have to harden your mind too that's the most impressive thing about people like you and Goggins and these folks that do these endurance events it's like you got to harden your mind yeah you're gonna run for three days yeah that's that's definitely the hardest part

yeah but and they say you know I mean where the change happens it's like being consecutive days of training, that's good, but it's over years. Not very many people do it for years. You know what I mean? Everybody goes, they get all fired up, energized to do something, then that drops off. They might do it back. Yeah. I mean, but if you can just continue to put in the work, punch that time clock for your life, I mean, it can change dramatically. Your body will change. Everything will change. How you look at things changes, but it takes that consistent effort. The consistency is so hard because there's a lot of comfort in those old patterns.

And even if the old patterns is just eating cake and watching TV, like some people just fall back to them or drugs like some people you know they kick the pills and their life is doing good and then they they they you know get to a point where they made a lot of improvement and they'll slide right back into the pills again you're like why why you were doing so good why you why are you doing drugs again i know it's almost like that pattern is better for their brain because they know what happens when you do that versus the open-ended possibilities of just going for it. Yeah. Just trying to live a maximized life because if you do and you fail, the of that it's difficult to deal with but that's

how you learn and that's how you continue to go that's how you continue to move forward yeah some people just that the the unknown is so scary for people that's why people don't like to try new things they don't like to take chances they don't like to learn new stuff because it's like what if i fail what if i suck what I don't like not knowing things I'm just going to do what I know well that's I mean that's what I've always admired about you is like you've had so much success you know you say from podcasting to comedy but then you're willing to try something hard like bow hunting and people who bow hunt know how hard it is and for you to embrace that has just been,

a lot of people won't do that, you know, because it is so hard. And it's like, you can fail a lot and it hurts. Yeah, but I like it. I like new things, man. And bow hunting is fucking hard. Yeah. And that's why I like it.

I like, it keeps me normal. I think the more difficult things I do, whether it's my workouts or martial arts or anything that I do, they keep me normal. You know, I don't think people should have an easy life. I don't believe in easy. I don't think it's good for you. Like, if I just was, like, flying around on private jets and fucking eating catered meals and doing nothing hard who am i what are you like what is the purpose of life like how's your brain work what where's where's the challenge yeah where is the where's the thing that keeps you alive what so yeah that's i mean it's that hunger yeah so what

people lose it we talked about fighters retiring then they lose that yeah purpose but maybe it's hunger but so what keeps that because i feel just for me personally and i don't know why i'm trying to i'm thinking about it as we are discussing this but like when i first started hunting i would have a beat-up toyota four-wheel drive not even four-wheel drive two-wheel drive piece of shit. And I drive at hunting. And but I feel like now I have that same drive to succeed as I did then. But I I have I travel and in comfort to get to my house, but I still hunt the same as I did. So I'm trying to think because you don't have because your your mindset is not you can look at it one way that

like what like the hungry people are the people that don't have anything and so they're trying hard to get to that thing but what you're doing is you're trying hard as hard as you can to achieve excellence like your focus is on excellence. If your focus is always on excellence, it doesn't matter if you get there in a fucking new Raptor or if you get there in a busted down old pickup truck that barely runs. Like your focus is the same. Like it's inconsequential whether or not you're struggling financially. It doesn't matter because the struggle, the physical struggle is always difficult.

It's always the same. So your goal is so lofty. Like your goal, being your best in the mountains, doing one of the most difficult things I've ever done, bow hunting. Bow hunting in the mountains is one of the most fun. I've done a lot of wild shit. I've fought. I've done a lot of stand-up comedy.

I do live podcasts and live UFC broadcasts, things that make people nervous. Bowhunting is one of the hardest fucking things I've ever done and one of the best things. And the thing is it's available to everybody. It's like not everybody gets to hunt at the Deseret, but people get mad at that, but that's, you know, go make some money, bitch. But this is Why is it so hard? It's it's hard because these fucking animals have evolved for millions of years to avoid predators You have to play the wind you have to be fit enough to get to the top of the mountain You have to be able to execute a good shot under pressure. You know and the feeling of making a good shot is

beyond good shot under pressure you know and the feeling of making a good shot is beyond description like it's so hard for us to explain to someone what it's like to like center that pin on the vitals watch that arrow slam in there and know you did it and watch that animal briefly run off and then tip over. And no, you gave that thing the quickest death possible. And the reason why it has the quickest death possible is because you develop your skills. You develop your accuracy and your ability to execute under pressure. And it's fucking hard to do. It's really hard to do. Yeah.

And you don't get a chance to do it again. You get shot there's one shot the animal's there right you line up the shot and you think about all those thousands and thousands of arrows you shot over the years and this is it this is the moment you get one of these it's like and also well i don't think about all those. I mean, because it's, it's subconscious, but here's, I mean, you know what my goal is to, my goal is to be perfect. But even after 33 years, who knows how many arrows, there's still that, that crunch time decision-making. So I had a bull, bull in Utah this year came up 10 yards away. He's quartering to me a little bit. I got my 90 pound bow as we know. And I'm thinking that, that distance still, I did not make the best decision because I thought, you know what? I can

just pound right through that shoulder and I'll get his chest. Didn't happen. You hit a bone dead on. Hit the shoulder dead on. It broke his shoulder and that was debilitating to him, but it wasn't through the lungs, which is what you want for a quick death. So even my decision-making in that crunch time moment where you get one chance wasn't perfect. I screwed up. Luckily he went out, I got, got another arrow into him and I did get him killed. But still, even after all this time, all these, you know, I've killed a lot of bulls now, man, you, the decision-making has to be perfect. And it has to be done on the fly in this brief moment, the window in time. Bulls coming in just screaming. Yeah.

And you've got to figure out what to do. Yeah. And that's what I've always said. You can master archery. I mean, people, they shoot perfect 300s. And people who don't know, I've never even done it. I don't even know anything about target. But I know that they shoot a certain amount of arrows.

And you can get a 300 score. And if you hit right on the X, that's a certain amount of arrows and you can get a 300 score. And if you hit right in the X, that's the certain amount of Xs. So I think it's 60 arrows. You can get 60 Xs if you're perfect. But anyway, you can master that because people have done that before. You can't master bow hunting. You cannot master, but I don't care who you are. I don't care how long you do it. It's you and that animal. And it's an imperfect, I mean, man's imperfect, hunting's imperfect. And it's just, you'll never master it. That's why it's so important to always be at your best. And that's the challenge of it all. The challenge of it all is that it's, first of all, the stakes couldn't be higher for the animal. It's life or death. You owe that animal a quick death.

And you're also in this situation where there's these wild instincts that live inside all of us because we all come from hunters. All of us. And you might not even know that's in there. And the way I'd say it to people, like, most people have caught a fish. Yeah. I'm like, you know what that feeling's like when you get a fish? Like, oh, I got him. I got him.

You feel its life is tugging on that line. But it's so exciting. The reason why it's so exciting is there's a part of our ancient memory that recognizes that the difference between life and death is whether or not you get that fish and you get that nutrition and you can feed a family. You feed your family. You got this fish.

Okay, now we're eating. We're alive. I remember, remember you know you've caught trout you remember eating that meat and tons of little bones in it you don't give a fuck you're pulling out the bones and put them on the plate but you're eating that what you caught yeah and you know as a kid we'd catch trout in the in the creek out behind the house hardly any meat on those things, like a 10-inch cutthroat. And you're picking through bones and you're eating it, but you're eating what you caught. Yeah.

That was the thing. There's a satisfaction to that. That was my first experience with any kind of wild creature was catching fish and eating fish. And I did that a lot when I was a kid. I did a lot of fishing. But hunting is that times whatever. It's like way more intense.

And I think it's more intense because it's a mammal. There's something about fish that people don't really give that much of a fuck about fish. For whatever reason, we don't associate with them. And they're not as valuable to us nutrition-wise. Like when you see a fish fish like that is a meal when i see an elk i'm like that's my year's meat oh man that's my meat for a year yeah i'm trying to think what i i mean i think about i love the meat but i think about when i was growing up is like seeing a big bull was like seeing a unicorn almost. I mean, it was, you know, we deer hunt a lot,

and that's all I used to hunt is deer. I never even hunted elk with a rifle. But seeing a big bull, God, it was just so rare. Yeah, they're a majestic creature. And people will, well, did you kill them? Listen, the death from a hunter is the best death that animal has ever gotten. They're not going to get a better death. That death is going to be quicker than any wolf or any mountain lion or any bear is ever going to give them.

And they're not going to live forever. Like the elk that I shot in Utah, his teeth were so worn down. He was like a 13-year-old bull. He had just gum. So he was gumming grass in some spots. Yeah, as an old bull. Which means he had a year or two left where he had any fucking teeth at all. And then he's going to starve to death.

Yeah. Or he's going to get taken out by a cat or by some other animal. Yeah. That's what happens to them. Yeah. by a cat or by some other animal. Yeah. That's what happens to them.

Yeah. They just get, they can, you know, consume less, you know, 700, 800 pound bull. That's a lot of grass that's got to eat, right? Yeah. You can imagine how, so you know what you eat and how many calories are in it. If you're just eating salad all the time, how much salad do you need to eat to fuel yourself? You don't even get dressing. Right. So think about a big bull elk.

They got to eat almost all the time. Well, when his teeth are, he can't process that. I mean, he can't feed like he would if his teeth were good. It's like he can't get enough. So slowly he's wasting away and getting weaker and weaker over months, over days, over years, whatever amount of time. And then it's like he can't do it anymore. We saw a really old cow elk in California this year. It was sad.

She was all skin and bones. Really? Yeah, we couldn't figure out if something had happened to her, if she'd gotten injured, or if she was just so old she couldn't chew her food anymore. But that's what happens. It might be that. That's what happens. They get be that. That's what happens. They get to a point where they don't get enough.

Like you're saying, they have to eat every day, all day. They don't fast. There's no intermittent fasting in the bull world. No. And I think about, I mean, I have compassion for animals. I mean, the killing part is a part that I don't enjoy. But so you think about that animal, what it's going through. So say a cat's in the area, the herd spooks that cow because she's weaker and more frail.

The herd takes off. She can't keep up. Imagine those thoughts. You know, I mean, it's still trying. It knows what it has to do to escape this predator. Yeah. And it can't. And it's like, I mean, it's still trying. It knows what it has to do to escape this predator. Yeah. And it can't. And it's like, I don't know.

There's no easy death in the wild. No, the cycle of life is ruthless. Yeah, it is. So a well-placed arrow. I don't know. As you said, there's no more merciful death for them. It's kind of amazing that humans made it as long as we did. We're so weak

compared to animals i mean we're smart enough to figure out weapons which is really what did it for us yeah i would like to let's go back in time and see what humans were like before weapons i would love to see what like australia pithicus looked like like be around them because we're really guessing what they look like based on their bones right yeah i don't know i mean it had to be more more tough than what the fuck we are yeah like bill gates think about bill gates's body well now imagine i know but i even think about you know they say the u.s is has is number one in the world in covet deaths and i think about we're number one we're number part of that though is because we've had it so easy well it's also a part of it is 95 of those people who died had

four comorbidities yeah but but that's what i'm saying is like you you can turn diabetic because of a shitty diet because of being obese because of so it's like that's what i'm saying is like you can turn diabetic because of a shitty diet, because of being obese, because of – so it's like that's what I'm saying is society is so easy. A sickness like COVID where you might overcome quickly, and I know there's different variations of everything and everybody's different, but a lot of people probably died because of how good of how easy life is right yeah for sure well you know theo vaughn who just met theo didn't even fucking know he had covid we tested him for antibodies like oh shit i got them covid antibodies yeah he didn't even know he had it amazing it's um it's you know we are a country that has overall, a large percentage of us have a terrible diet. Sedentary lifestyle, aren't taking vitamins, aren't supplementing their shitty diet with nutrients. They're not exercising.

They're not pushing their body and making it more resilient and making it tougher. And the small amount of people that are they're not treated like they're different in terms of like what they're expected to do or not do during the pandemic and that's one of the things that's so weird it's like when you look at the real numbers of like the people that do survive the people that are sick and the people that aren't and you take into account the nutrients like they don't care they want a one-size-fits-all policy for everything because they want you to feel the same way some fucking 500 pound guy with diabetes and and emphysema like he should be as scared as me we should be the same scared right that doesn't seem to make sense

no yeah they want you to do what they do but they don't want to do what you do yeah exactly that's a good point yeah and and so it's easier to tell you what to do what they do, but they don't want to do what you do. Yeah, exactly. That's a good point. Yeah. And so it's easier to tell you what to do. There was a fucking ad. I forget who made the ad. But the ad literally said how long it takes to lose weight. It was talking about how long it takes to lose weight.

That you only lose like a pound a month. And then it said get the vax. That's what it was saying. Yeah. It was basically saying like, forget it. You ain't going to lose that weight. Yeah. Don't, don't worry about being healthy.

Right. Don't worry about the fact that 78% of the people that get hospitalized for COVID or obese. Yeah. 78%. Yeah. Don't worry about that. What you need to do is just take the shot. I, it's.

How about both? It's, yeah. It's so strange. Yeah. Can you be in good shape? Is that, the shot i i it's how about both it's yeah so strange yeah can you be in good shape is that what's wrong with that how about both how about take vitamins how about talk about vitamin d talk about the fact that 84 of the people that were in the icu at one point in time for covid had insufficient levels of vitamin d 84 you don't hear that, do you? It's a giant factor. 4%. Four had sufficient levels. 4%. Most of the country is insufficient in vitamin D. Most of the country.

And you can take that supplement. Easy. They're tiny. Yeah. A child can swallow it. I take them every day. I take them every day. Amazing.

Look how healthy you are. It's a funny thing that you know people that are like yourself or like me that work out all the time i'm not requiring it of anybody i'm not telling anybody to do it but you can't pretend that it doesn't help you can't pretend yeah you can't pretend it's not better just be honest you can't pretend it takes not better. Just be honest about it. You can't pretend. It takes a lot of effort. But, you know, effort is something that's free. Yeah, that's right. Y'all got effort.

Yeah. They say that there's the things you can control. It's like being on time, working out, doing all these things. You don't even need a fucking gym. All right? No. I can, if you want to, you go, oh, I can't afford a gym. I could fuck you up with a workout with no gym. Carry my rock up the mountain.

That rock, yeah. That rock that you had. How much did that rock weigh? 130. Yeah. So Cam had a rock. This was before I met him. It's one of the reasons why I met you.

You had a video of you putting a rock in a backpack. And sometimes you just carry it on your shoulder. Yeah. And you took the stupid rock up to the top of that. When did you give up on that rock? No, I mean, I have another. No. Did someone steal it?

I don't know what happened to it. Somebody rolled it off the mountain or something. Maybe someone stole it. Yeah. Then Under Armour sent me another rock, but it's only 70 pounds. So I have it there still. But even carrying that 70 pound rock on your shoulder. Yeah.

That shit is hard, dude. Bro, I do work out sometimes with a 25 pound weight vest. Yeah. That shit is hard, dude. Bro, I do work out sometimes with a 25 pound weight vest. Yeah. That shit's hard. Yeah, but I always think that this is all I need, a rock and a mountain. Yes.

Yeah, so it's like, you don't need a gym membership. No, you don't need much. If you have a tree, you can do chin-ups. You know, there's a lot of folks who do a lot of workouts outdoors. They like to do workouts outdoors.

And they do a lot of stuff where they show, like, purposely, like, you don't really need much equipment. You just need something you could grab a hold of. If you find a tree branch that's sufficient, jump up, grab a hold of that bitch. You can get some chin-ups in. Oh, yeah. You know, like, you don't need much. Have you done a burpee?

Have you done? Yeah. It's hard. Do about 100 of those. Right. Exactly. Miserable. Or Hindu push-ups. You ever do those? Yeah, it's hard. Do about 100 of those. Right, exactly. Miserable. Or Hindu push-ups.

You ever do those? Yeah, I have. Hindu push-ups and Hindu squats. Yeah. Do 100 of those. God. Yeah, it's hard. Well.

But, you know, it's definitely better to have a gym, without a doubt. Not saying, well, it's the reason why I have a gym, the reason why you have a gym. Yeah. No, I. Bert Sorenix is the reason why we have gyms. Thanks, Bert. But they're necessary. I mean, it really can help you,

but you can get a great workout without them. But nothing helps me more than getting up before anybody else is up. Not anybody, because people are up all the time, but four in the morning and running. Nothing helps me more than just knowing that I'm making that decision to get my ass out of bed and getting

outside. And because once I've done that, it's like, I mean, to me, I always feel like that's the hardest decision to make, getting out of bed and going outside when it's dark. And so once I do that, I won. Right. You won for the day and you got to win again the next day. It's like the rent is always due. You have to always keep going. And that's what people have a hard time with. They have a hard time with consistency. It's, you know, they, they get enthusiastic, like this is it. I'm going to quit cookies and no more cupcakes. And I'm going to get my shit together. And they might do it for a day. They might do it for a week. Can you do it for a year? Yeah. You know, can you do it for two years? Can you keep going?

Yeah. A lot of people can't. No. But they can. It's all mental. It literally is all mental. You can force yourself to do anything. And that's one of the reasons why I like to do new things. And when you learn something, you challenge yourself with something, you become a beginner again. That's what's important. Because when you're an expert at something, like you can get lazy being an expert.

You're like, you already, like a lot of fighters have done that where they get to a point where they believe they're so good. Like Mike Tyson in his prime. So good, it doesn't feel like he has to train anymore. Yeah, you get party. And then Buster Douglas comes along and wrecks the party. Yeah. You know, and that's the wake-up call.

The wake-up call is if you really want to be the best of the best, you have to treat every day like it's a whole new project. And there's no shortcuts. There's no slacking off. And your commitment must be 100%. And you know what? So here's the struggle that I even face. Because there's so many people who will say, you should take a day off. You should get some rest.

Sleep is important. There's always this like to do less. And so then I don't know, is it them wanting me to do less so they feel better or do they really care about me? Because that's why I love people like Goggins. Right. You know, so I focus on people like that. Not the people who are telling me, Hey, you need to, you know, you're, you're wearing your body down or you're doing this or that. Cause there's always those people. And I never know what their, what the objective is. I think they think they're right. And I think a lot of them, they're trying to give you good advice. They're worried you're going to

have a heart attack and die. Yeah. Why are about me well because they see a guy like you that's you're putting out so much more effort than them they don't think it's possible to sustain it yeah maybe so but if you look at the donna her death squad like the elite jujitsu squad in the world gordon ryan garyin, all those guys. Those motherfuckers take zero days off. Zero. 365 days a year. And if you want to be on that squad, you want to be competing in the world stage and representing John Donaher, there's no vacations.

Yeah. There's no days off. I mean, Christmas. Yeah, no Christmas. Yeah. And it's like if they did go hard, the next day, it's not an off day. They just go a little lighter the next day. They just do technique.

Yeah. But they're training still. Yeah. They're still getting better. So to me, you flip that switch, and it's like you, I don't know, mentally you're like, no, I'm still doing it, still grinding. I do something every day. And some days it's just sauna and stretching and ice baths,

but I'm stretching, I'm doing something. And so if I'm really wrecked, I can still sit in the sauna for 20 minutes. I can still stretch. So I'm improving my flexibility. I'm improving my recovery and I'm putting in the effort because it's not easy to do that sauna. It's not fun to do the ice bath. Oh my God. When I do it, I got your ice bath. Oh, my God. It's so terrible. But I've never felt better. It's great.

Physically, I've never felt better. Wait till you get a sauna as well. That's the fucking, that's the combo, baby. Right now, I do the hot tub ice bath. Back and forth. That's good. That's real good, too. That's real good, too.

Dude, I tell you what. When I first, the first time in it, this is That's good. That's real good too. That's real good too. Dude, I tell you what, when I first, the first time in it, this is what's amazing. It's like first time in it, I made it maybe 30 seconds. I mean, it was Me too. Yeah. I think I did a minute and a half the first time and I was

fucking duh. No. My wife was like, uh, go down, I think it's something like go down to your neck or over your shoulders. And then I was like, go down, I think it's something like, go down to your neck or over your shoulders. And then I was like, then I switched it around. And I said, no, I'm getting out now. Because I was mad at her. She's telling me to go lower.

So I'm like being a big baby and got out. I said, there, you happy now? Now I'm not doing anything. So about 30 seconds. And it was just up to about, like, I don't know, waist. It's so miserable. Now I can stay in. It's not fun, but I do five minutes a day.

Yeah. Isn't it wild? You just get accustomed to it. Yeah. It's, uh, but it's never quite like, you know, you go sit in the hot tub and you're like, oh, I'm going to go sit in the hot tub. That's fun. It's fun all the time.

It's fun. Every second is fun or like relaxing, not fun, but relaxing. And then the ice bath that's fun it's fun all the time it's fun every second is fun or like relaxing not fun but relaxing and then the ice bath none of us relax it's just miserable but my god my body and i don't know if it's inflammation i don't know i don't know what it is but i've had a hip thing for years and um you know when i'd go do those big runs or whatever it was always about what my my hip going to do. Hip feels great. Isn't that wild? Yeah.

I don't know why. It's anti-inflammatory properties, these cold shock proteins. Yeah. When you subject your body to that insane temperature, your body thinks it's going to die. And your body produces these cold shock proteins you know dr ronda patrick has talked about it pretty extensively that and heat shock proteins it also produces norepinephrine and that makes you feel good it's literally like a potent antidepressant and uh wim hof talks about that he talks about how ice baths are a cure for depression

because you feel like shit but you get in that ice bath. When you get out of there, you feel fucking great. When you get out, you feel great. Oh, yeah. Not when you're in there. Not when you're in there. No, no, no. I was going to say, I must be doing something wrong.

Well, I took Rhonda the first time she experienced that. I took her to Cryo Healthcare in Woodland Hills, back where my old studio was. And she would get into that cryotherapy thing with me. And then when she got out, like I filmed her coming out for the first time. Cause like you remember those things, you open the door and all the fucking smoke comes out. Oh, it's like minus 200 or something.

250. Yeah. Minus 250. And so she got out and she's like, oh, that was amazing. And she's like, starts rattling off all the things that's happening to your body like why yeah and she was like and she because she was so excited because she's so smart and she understands all the mechanisms of like what's going on why your body's reacting the way it is it was really interesting to see but she was talking about the norepinephrine that gives you the and she's like wow i feel amazing and you know like for her being a

scientist yeah and to experience that rush yeah yeah she was like oh you know it's like it's she had always been a fan of the sauna and she had done that a lot but like the ice the cryotherapy had been a new thing but i think cry is, it's brutal and it's great, but it's more tolerable for some reason than the ice bath. I did that before and that wasn't bad at all. Well, it gets rough. The most I've ever done

was I did three minutes and 40 seconds. And when you get every minute, like once you hit two minutes, every minute more gets rougher. Okay. Three minutes is rougher. Yeah. And then three minutes, the guy who used to run it was like, let me see how long you can take it.

And I probably would have stayed in longer, but my legs were shaking so bad I started getting nervous. It's still not as good as an ice bath, though, is it? No. No. It's a different feeling. Uh-huh. The ice bath, like, you have a really hard time breathing. It's like.

I didn't know how expensive those were. It's not cheap. Frickin', I think like 17,000 bucks. It's a little bit more than that. Is it? There's 20. Oh my God, yeah. But that's the one you have.

You don't have to do it that way. You can just get bags of ice, which are fairly cheap, and a tub. Like, you can do it on the cheap. But you're right. It's a breathing. Yeah. It's like... So I think I do.

And they say even just breathing deep is good for you. Like outside of, and I never do that. But you have to do it in that ice bath. But I'm like in through my nose and out. I can do like six breaths a minute or something like that. And so I know I count to 20. Right. And then I'll look at the clock and I'm like, God, thank God I'm over two and a half minutes or something like that. And so I know I count to 20 and then I'll look at the clock and I'm like,

God, thank God I'm over two, two and a half minutes or something like that. But yeah, it's, I mean, I always wear a dive watch, right?

So I was going and I set the thing and then I just, I'll do, you know, whatever I decide to do, whether I do more than five minutes, isn't good for you is what it says. That's what they say. But you did like 20, right? 20. I think it was, it was a little more than five minutes isn't good for you is what it says that's what they say but you did

like 20 right 20 oh my god i think it was it was a little more than 20 i did 20 one day yeah and it was uh not good i don't know how hard it was when i when i saw that video of you doing that i'm like oh whatever then i got one i'm like oh my god how yeah i'm never doing that again because i was pretty fucked up for a couple days afterwards. Yeah, I was a little off. And my wife was scared that I was going to die. Really? Yeah, she said that she was hovering over me while I was sleeping,

checking to make sure that I was alive. She said she was really worried that I was going to die. If I was going to die, I would have died right afterwards. I wouldn't have died at night. Then I'm nice and warm. I didn't have hypothermia but you could get hypothermia because they say 34 degrees for 15 minutes induces hypothermia but i didn't get hypothermia no and i was at 34 degrees for 20 whatever minutes at five minutes my legs

are like kind of shaky a little bit yeah it's cold but i was doing breathing exercises while i was doing it that's part of what it is i read a book called uh breathe uh by james nestor and he's been a guest on the podcast before and it's all about breathing exercises and deep breathing exercises and what it could do for you but one of the things that it definitely does is it heats your core up right so if you watch the video of me doing it i'm going like this i'm holding it, I'm going like this. I'm holding it and I'm going. So when I'm doing that, I'm breathing out.

I'm tightening up my abs and my core and I'm squeezing with my chest and my shoulders. I'm breathing in. It's like a workout. Yeah, yeah. So I was keeping my body somewhat warm through these breathing exercises. That's why I was able to sustain 20 minutes in there. But I only did it once. And I'm like, but when I did it afterwards, like I tried to do it the next day. I did three minutes the next day.

And when I hit three minutes, my vision was shaky. Really? Yeah. I was like looking at the, like I had a phone set up so i could see the timer and my vision was shaky and i was like i better get out of this because if i black out in this fucking thing and die no one's ever gonna let me live that down yeah obviously because i'll be dead but that was also before i had my sauna set up which made it way easier because once i the sauna set up i can get in that bitch for whatever minutes.

And I know that sauna's right there waiting for me. And I jump out and hop in. But one of the things that's really weird is I do a couple minutes in the ice bath. And then I get into the sauna. And the juxtaposition of sauna to ice bath, like the change in temperature is so extreme. Because I'm going for 33, 34 degrees to 185 degrees. And when your body like heats up that quickly,

I close my eyes and it's like I'm tripping. It's like I'm on a drug. It is wild. The head rush is so crazy that sometimes it's overwhelming and what's weird is when you open your eyes it kind of goes away like i don't understand it because i'm i'm lying if i open my eyes i'm fine but when i close my eyes it's like oh oh it's almost overwhelming like i'm dizzy like i'm drunk like i'm having bed spins almost with my eyes closed but you feel good after all of a sudden

oh my god you feel amazing everything feels incredible I wish everybody could yeah I mean it's I guess family does it now even my kids do it yeah the ice bath yeah you know I told Tony Hinchcliffe I give him a thousand dollars for every minute he stays in the ice bath did he do it he hasn't done it yet oh he's he's like, it's easier for you. I don't have any fat. I'm like, bro, I'm not fat. Yeah. The fuck are you saying, bro? I'm not fat.

He's like, I have no, I'm nothing. I'm skin and bones. Yeah. But I think he could do it. My little daughter did. She did a fucking minute. Really? Yeah.

She's 11. She's cold. Freezing. Freezing. But it's fun. They get a kick out of it. They think it's fun. Yeah. You know freezing but it's fun they get a kick out of it they think it's fun yeah you know but it's building resilience you know like getting your kids to do stuff like my kids luckily are really into sports and i think sports and athletics and difficult things where you have to push yourself is and then also failing like missing the shot when you wanted to do it like missing the fucking up things and

then learning that you can get better you work harder like that's so important for kids and things like ice bath even though it seems so easy like it's only a minute how hard is a minute because but it teaches them resilience like you can endure things and when it's over you know i did it i didn't want to you're getting that thing for you saw you're 30 seconds you're like get the fuck out of here oh my god yeah I was yeah so speaking of that I wonder do people go through just avoid failing oh yeah all together yeah it's terrifying just so they don't have to deal with yeah yeah that's weird because i mean like anytime i lift like it's to fail right to failure i mean or you know those that's a different kind of failure because it's still a success because you get the reps in before failure yeah i guess i'm trying to think it's an accomplishment

yeah i mean i it's not like i enjoy failure but it's always losing it's getting smacked yeah but there's always that that like is losing. It's getting smacked. Yeah, but there's always that threat, like bow hunting, there's a threat of failure on every hunt. Yeah, for sure. So- Yeah. Well, the worst would be a wounded animal, right? That gets away and you know that that animal is wounded and may live or may suffer for a few days and then die. The feeling of failure is so important because it sucks. And so it makes you

like no one, it's not like no one is perfect at the thing that they like to do right away. So you have to figure out how to get better at it. And one of the best ways is through negative feedback. When you have negative feedback, you're like, wow, I don't want to do that again. And then you go back and you work harder or you figure out what you did wrong. And it's a motivating factor that can't be denied. It's like people don't like the expression fat shaming. But let me tell you something. If someone calls you fat and they're right.

Never forget it. You feel like shit and then it may motivate you to work hard. Or you may just sulk and eat cake and blame the world. Yeah. It's up to you. But the feeling of a negative feedback, especially if it's something that you can control. Like if you see a guy who's in a wheelchair and he can't walk and you make fun of him, well, you're a fucking asshole. Right, yeah.

There's nothing a guy can do about that. Right. But if you see, like if someone's doing something, if you see someone trying to do a sport and they suck at it and then they lose but then you see them like a couple of years later and they're a bad motherfucker at it like oh that person felt the sting of loss but they kept pushing yeah they kept hammering oh i like it yeah it. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, I even think about with Courtney DeWalter, her first 100, she had to quit. She failed.

Yeah, she quit at mile 60, I think. Oh, my God. And then came now, of course, she's, you know, one of the best to ever do it. But that failure, you make a decision right there. It's like, I never want to do this again, so I'm never going to do it again. Or I'm going to train so hard that it's never going to happen again. You're never going to fail again. Never going to fail without, I mean, when you do hard things, there's always that risk of failure.

Yeah. I mean, but it's, I don't know. Well, you know, the risk of failure used to be connected to survival. Survival, rather. I don't know. Well, you know, the risk of failure used to be connected to survival. Like, you know, doing things and accomplishing them. That's why your genes carried on as opposed to the people that just waited to die and then didn't do anything. And that's one of the reasons why women are very attracted to people that are great at things. Because they know it's difficult to get great at things. They're attracted to it.

It's a genetic thing. They're attracted to it. It's a genetic thing. They're attracted to it because they want to spread the genes. They want their genes to be connected to this person who is like this powerful individual. And I think there's something in genes that passes on into children. I don't think it's as simple as uh like a nurture i think nature has some weird factor in it in genes because my kids have never had it hard they haven't had it but my fucking middle daughter is a goddamn psycho she's a psycho like she's so driven yeah and she's not driven because she doesn't get love she gets a ton of love like she's super confident and relaxed

and silly but when i see her focus on things she has this crazy focus like this like intensity of like trying to get better at things like like she does backflips in the house we gotta stop her like hey stop it's time to eat dinner it's like one more one more it's like. She won't stop. That is me. But mine was from not getting any attention as a kid. Yeah, but genetically somehow. It got in there. But it got into her in a loving household, like where she's constantly loved and she gets plenty of attention.

She doesn't think about, she doesn't have any feelings of not having value. So hers is not like, I'm going'm gonna show everybody it's not like that hers is like i need to get better at this so it transferred some i'm assuming that i wouldn't have had the kind of crazy drive i had if i had a great childhood i'm assuming that i might be wrong maybe it is somehow or another in the dna from other things right but i i gotta think of my own motivations when i was younger like i always wanted to be someone special because i didn't feel special right so i realized when i started fighting that i was good at this i was like oh

my god i'm not a loser like here's the thing that makes me feel like a winner like for first i had like a 180 degree shift of how i felt about myself right from like I'm a fucking loser. I'm pussy I'm scared of everybody too. Oh, I'm Like winning tournaments right? I'm actually good at this and your parents had nothing to do with that zero right? They never saw me fight once It's crazy. Yeah, I think Huh, that's interesting. I mean that's how it was for me with bowing well first with sports you know i played football and things like that but then after that then

there's nothing and then bow hunting when kids find a thing that they excel at and then they get some praise and they get positive feedback from excelling at that thing, that is so magical for them. I feel so terrible for children that never get good at a thing, never feel that struggle and then reward upon success. But also there's a fine line there because now we celebrate being mediocre. I was going to say another word. Right. Well, that's a problem.

Right. That's a problem right that's a problem we have now we have participation trophies right so it's like there's that fine line because they're getting positive information but it's not warranted it's not warranted yeah that's do they know the difference i think some of them don't that's why they're so angry yeah and that's why also they lash out at successful people you know there's a lot of that where they don't think that that's important or they or they don't of that where they don't think that that's important or they don't have that attribute. They don't have even the possibility of it, so they get angry at it.

This is a very confusing time for a lot of people. The reality of the lessons of life are that they're hard won. They're hard won and they're difficult. Like if someone wants to be you, if someone could like get into your body and have like you wake up, okay, you have the mind that you had when you're fucking Harry McGillicuddy, whatever the fuck your name is,

but you get to live as Cam Haines for a day and you have a schedule in front of you. This is what you got to do. You got to get up. Like today you got to do You gotta get up like today You gotta run 16 miles in the morning and then you're on 10 during lunch and then you're gonna Shoot your bow and then you're gonna lift. Yeah, they wouldn't like that every day This is every day and all you work it all day. Mm-hmm. You don't even get to sleep You have to work eight hours a day. Mm-hmm. What?

They would do one day and they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. He's sleeping four hours a night? What the fuck is this? Then you got to do the next day too. Yeah, this is nonsense. For years. Decades.

Decades. Good luck, bitch. Yeah. But there's one of you, right? Like there's one bow hunter who has a million followers on Instagram. It's you. And how did you get that way? You got that way because what you're doing is truly exceptional. It's undeniable. It's undeniably unique. That's not in most people's gas tank. It's not, most people don't

have the ability to push themselves to truly have a maximized life. And they're there for us too. The people who fail, they're there for us. The people who, the haters, the crabs in the bucket that are pulling people down, they're there for us. They're all lessons for us. The people who come up short, they're lessons for us. The people who make excuses and who hate on other people and talk shit about people behind

their back and then aren't to their face they're there for us their lessons yeah that feeling that you get when you're around someone who comes up like who like puts in less effort than they should who uh makes excuses and you feel that oh when you feel someone maybe they lie about something about the way it went like oh Not good feeling not a good feeling it's then the feeling when you see someone who's like done something truly Remarkable and unique like wow it's a good feeling yeah, that's a lesson There's like there's lessons in this some people don't want that lesson because with that lesson There's a fucking course you have to take right here's how you get to where this person got like you see that person that you admire see this amazing

accomplishments okay here's your assignment this is what they did the biggest thing for me is now i can recognize a difference so before i was like the people you're talking about the crabs in the bucket i was one of the crabs right most people so yeah i was talking shit i was minimizing what other people did and saying well you know i could do that too if i had this or that but so when you can switch and now you realize you can see it all that's the biggest thing yeah because like oh my god i was that but i can be this once you get to be this yeah then you can see it yeah it's uh and now now i it's i'm just attracted to like the goggins and like the that you know you people who are successful who are paving away and are making an actual difference and never pulling people down i'm like no that's okay that's what i want to be and it's just's just, but I never, I couldn't see it.

It's weird. I don't think anybody sees it until you've reached a level of success where you're comfortable in your own skin. You know, and then even for brief moments, you know, like I'm my own worst critic. Even though I've had a lot of success in life, like I'm not, I don't rest on it at all. I can't. I got to keep going. Like I know what it's like to fail. I don't rest on it at all I can't I gotta keep going like I know what it's like to fail I fucking hate that feeling so I'm always trying to improve and that's one of the beautiful things to me about learning a

new thing like learning bowhunting is that I've had this unique opportunity to start at something from scratch which I think is very valuable yeah most people don't do that they don't start at something from scratch because they don't have the time or they don't have the opportunity like especially a really difficult thing like learning a martial art like i admire people that are like 40 years old they're a white belt you know like wow look at you you're in there going after it good good luck all right and i same thing i see people who they call it what adult onset hunting like trying to learn hunting at you know in your 40 like what you did yeah oh my god it's so hard it's hard but it's also so valuable dude i mean

the the feeling that you get the nutrition that you get you know i mean i have i got a fucking freezer full of amazing meat and i cook that shit almost every day almost every day I'm cooking something you know and I eat it all the time I make I make a pile of it and then I eat it like all throughout the day like I eat it in the morning when I get up I just put hot sauce on a plate and dip cold elk in there that's like most of my meals are meat that all mine. I eat like 80% meat. Yeah. I mean, I see people and they talk about how, you know, I kill more than I could eat. And man, I don't know.

I know you eat a lot of it and you also give away a lot of it. Well, I mean, my boys eat. Tanner takes. You got two savages. Yeah. Tanner takes deer meat, elk meat up to his base up at Fort Lewis. And, I mean, we eat meat. I mean, my family goes through some meat. And then I like giving it away, and then we have people come over.

And I give some to the guy down the street. He was a Navy SEAL and lost an eye in his hand. And he makes up, like, meatloaf out of my whitetail from Texas. And it's just like, that is such a community staple. You know, it's like, as I always said, and I think I've said it on here is I see as hunters as providers, that's what we're supposed to do. So yeah, I'm going to kill and I'm going to help the community. I love giving meat to my friends. I love it. I love when they send me pictures. My friends that don't hunt at all, my friend Tom Papa, he's always sending me pictures.

We trade. He gives me baked bread. He makes fresh baked bread, and I give him elk meat. When I moved here, I gave him one of my commercial freezers because I had him in my studio. So I gave him one of my freezers, gave him a bunch of elk in it. Yeah. I mean, it is empowering. But then also, just speaking of bow hunting in general, I mean, when I first started, I think I was more confident than I should have been.

I think as a young man, I mean, I remember I would like almost intentionally want to take harder shots than I needed to. Because like I would see an animal. This is what you'd – I I would now I'd look about how irresponsible it was. And I'd like, I'd have a, uh, laying through a tree instead of taking a step over to the right and be like, well, this is a better shot. I'd be like, no, I can, no problem. I shoot through, I can shoot through that gap all the time. And I would do it, but it's like, why, why was I making it harder? because that was just just being a young man and just being irresponsible now stubborn now i'm like so paranoid that um you know i've had success

but you have to earn it every single time and if i i kill one bull for say in oregon my first bull of the year i'm like well now i like, at least I won't get shut out. So instead of, I don't have the confidence now. I put in the work. I hope it's enough. But there's no guarantees in bow hunting. I know how hard it is. So before I was overconfident.

Now I'm like, I got to earn it every time. That's an accurate assessment. That you have a better map of the landscape. That's what that is. You know, when you're young. More data. Yeah. When you're young, you're just a fucking dummy.

Yeah. I was young. I was so cocky. I thought I could do anything. Right. And so that's, that's how I was even in bow hunting. And now I'm just like, God, I don't know. I just trained so much harder than I ever did.

When you're young, you also don't have a lot of experiences with consequences. Yeah. You don't have a lot of negative consequences. So you kind of, you think things are always going to be great. Yeah, that's true. That's testosterone, too. Your body's all filled with piss and vinegar.

That's why people go to war when they're young. That's why people do all kinds of wild things when they're young. Because they have a different perspective. They don't send 50-year-old dudes to go to war. They're like, what the fuck are we doing? We can get shot. Let's get out of here.

It's dangerous. Yeah. Can't we drop bombs on these fucking people from the sky? Let's get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting thing, the journey of life and learning like what you can and can't do and learning why you couldn't do it. And that maybe you could have done it if you did something

differently. I think it's important to like, so where we are now, when you get older, I think it's, we've talked about taking risks and we're talking about doing hard things, but those things humble you. You know, I know fighting can humble you greatly i haven't done it like you know like what you have but bowhunting can humble you the long the big endurance races can help you so i think that being humbled man that that makes a big impact on somebody it doesn't but also success motivates you too it's like not just the humbling but the actual success you know it's like watching like we're saying watching an arrow perfectly fly and slam into the vitals when you know it was a lethal shot and you know that it's lethal because you fucking practiced yeah you put in all that time all that time no i know it's uh

You put in all that time, all that time. No, I know. It's that sheep hunt. I mean, I've only had two of them, and two sheep tags in my life in 33. Well, I've been— People need to know, like, wild sheep, very difficult to get a tag for. Yes, oh, yeah. Big horn sheep. It's basically—in Oregon, it's once in a lifetime.

So my home state, and I've never drawn so i put in for you know decades never drawn and once i do draw that's it you get one tag your life whether you kill or not that's it so if you're not gonna and basically all the states it's very low odds of drawing a tag all western states every place that has sheep so the first time i went with roy up to alaska i paid and um he was the guide and did a doll sheep hunt that was my first one and then this one same thing either you draw your pay so those are my two tags but anyway point is is like where something like not once in a lifetime but close to it and it comes down to an arrow flying through the air and killing it, you've got to practice for that moment.

You've got to practice for that moment. And when it does find its mark, it's reinforcing all that effort and reinforcing all that focus and concentration and letting you know you're on the right path. You did did the right thing you did the right thing and here's your reward now get back to work for that one time for that one time yeah the next time yeah the next time is like i mean anything you do at that time yeah i had a aggravated shoulder and i took a couple months off shooting and then uh i remember like the first arrow back um it is like 65 yards on a target. Perfect bullseye.

Second arrow, not perfect at all. Miss? Yeah. No, I hit the target, but I was off by like 10 inches. I was like, what the fuck is that? And then the third arrow, a little closer, I was like, oh, this is being consistent, stupid. This is why. Part of it. The first arrow was a little closer. I was like, oh, this is being consistent, stupid. This is why. Part of it.

The first arrow was perfect. Yeah. But it's like, how perfect? I mean, how many times can you do that? You could have stopped right there. I could have stopped right there and pretended. Yeah. That I didn't have to work hard.

Yeah. But I've heard that people will go on elk hunts and literally not practice until they get into camp. And then they pull out their bow and they get a little reinhardt target and they start firing a couple of arrows and i'm like what are you talking about you haven't been practicing i haven't had the time you haven't had the time when you're out here on an elk hunt they don't really think they're going to kill though i mean they they're they're pretty much going with the odds are you're not going to kill the odds are 10 success so you the odds are you're not going to kill and so they're just like well i'm probably not going to kill it maybe i will maybe i won't they're not

living and dying with that and that's being dramatic but they're not their their purpose isn't wrapped up in that right you know what i mean well a great example of how difficult bow hunting is to me has always been lanai because lanai is on paper the easiest place to kill an animal with a 20 000 deer 30 oh 30 000 deer 3 000 people 3 000 people and they're fucking everywhere if someone said to me okay i'm going to go in this hunt what are the odds of me seeing a deer 100 i'm not even gonna there's not there's no if ands or buts 100% you will see deer yeah 100% you will get shots mm-hmm, but you're probably likely not to kill a deer This is what's crazy. We were there, and we had like the dream team right it was you Adam Green Tree John Dudley Remy Warren Shane Dorian I mean

Goddamn there was a lot of killers in that camp, right? Like guys who are professionals, guys who were like expert archers, guys like Shane Dorian have a lot of animals under their belt. So it was a crazy camp. A lot of us, we did the podcast from Lanai. We wound up killing like everybody got a deer. Everybody at least got one deer, but there was a lot of missing. They're an animal that evolved to get away from tigers. They're the craziest, fastest animal I've ever hunted in my life. They're like lightning.

You can't believe how quickly they could dodge an arrow. Well, we left. And then when I talked to the guide, when we went back the next year, he said 150 hunters came to bow hunt. One was successful. One killed besides us. One besides us. Yeah. The rest of them all pulled out a rifle after like five days.

Like, what the fuck? If you have a rifle, 100% you're going to kill. Yeah. 100%. And it's the best meat in the world. It's right up there with elk. A little different. I prefer elk, but not by much.

Yeah, no, they're great. It's incredible. That meat's- Axis is sweet almost. Oh, it is amazing meat. Yeah. But that's how hard it is. It's hard.

And this is all these goddamn animals. There's so many of them. I know. It's not like hiking into the mountains like you have to do in utah or in colorado when you're trying to hunt elk you gotta go to elevation you you know you're you're out there another aspect you're competing with mountain lions yeah what what do you think is the hardest part about hunting if you had to the moment the moment of execution that's the hardest part but also getting yourself

prepared for the moment of execution requires so much commitment you have to shoot so many times like it's hard for a person who is an archer to describe to someone who's never shot a bow all of the things that you're juggling when you're at full draw. You have to have your anchor point perfect. You have to have your shoulder relaxed, your hand relaxed, but you're also holding it steady. You have to make sure that you're following through. You're not jerking the shot.

You have to make sure that you're staying calm in the moment. You're not being overcome by anxiety. You have to make sure that you're staying calm in the moment. You're not being overcome by anxiety. You have to make sure that you've practiced so much that you have 100% confidence that when you release that arrow, it's going to go where you want it to go. And there's no taking it back. Once the arrow's leaving, there's no taking it back. Then there's your fitness. In order to be able to hike into the mountains to get to where these things are you can't be a fat fuck You can't be out of shape you can't have piss-poor cardio you cannot

Yeah, you have to go to where they are and they're there because that's hard to get to they're there because there's mountain lions And there's people and there's bears and there's fucking wolves So they go high up and they're fit as fuck they could when you watch an elk run up the side of a hill you're like how the fuck is am i supposed to compete with that thing yeah slow bitch-ass legs i have so being becoming proficient is the first one and then crunch time is the second one yeah becoming proficient but you can become proficient and not be able to deal with crunch time crunch time might be harder. It's like... I think it is.

Yeah, I think crunch time's harder. Because there's a lot of proficient people that are proficient, but they're just not good during crunch time. Yeah. There's great shooters that screw it up. They screw it up after decades of hunting, too. They're some of the best shooters in the world who mess up in crunch time. It's like that with everything.

It's like that with comedy. It's like that with martial arts. It's like that with, it's, you know, Miyamoto Musashi, the great samurai who wrote that book, The Book of Five Rings. He said, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things and when i think of when i think of bow hunting it's an incredibly difficult pursuit and it's like many incredibly difficult pursuits it's like you have to have all there's no shortcuts everything has to align including you with your mind and your spirit everything has to be aligned yeah i think that's i agree with the same with basically all the

difficult things that i've ever done they all have that in common that everything has to be aligned there's no half-assing that's i mean i don't know i love the test of it and so you talked about becoming proficient becoming comfortable with all those different aspects of shooting i mean even when i'm I'm shooting in my driveway, I see people chiming in about, are you going to hit your truck? Or your dog. But my truck is, you know, I'm shooting through a two-foot lane. I'm not going to be two feet off. But to somebody who doesn't know, maybe they are. I don't know.

Maybe how they practice. You shoot through your window sometimes i do yeah i did at 85 yards but to me it's like if i'm gonna shoot through the raptor window at 85 yards i mean i gotta believe and yeah to me that's that's so what i hit my truck if i'm gonna wound an animal right that's you can fix it i don't care about my truck right i care about that animal so it's like it's all part of that test, that focus. But I don't know. People have the hardest time with that.

But I mean, I don't know. That's one of the reasons why that Leupold Full Draw 4, that range finder is so good. Yeah. Because when you program it right, I don't know, you haven't programmed yours, but if you program it right, it shows you exactly where the height of the arrow is. Yeah. So if you're looking at a target, it shows you, oh, you will hit that branch. Yeah. Because you don't know sometimes.

Yeah. An arrow, you know, it drops down over time. That range finder is shit. Yeah. It shows you exactly where that line is. That's good. But also that's a lot of detail for people to because that's crunch time yeah so people miss a lot more than where the arrow's gonna go have you

ever seen that uh guy joel turner's website yeah you know shot iq website it's really good it's really important because he explains what is going on during this moment of crunch time with your mind and how your mind just wants it to be over with and you're right and you'll just get the arrow in the way and you'll go through it the way he describes it is you can go through it and you like you don't even know what happened or you can go through it and have an absolute memory of every single step that happened because you keep your mind in the present moment and you do that through repeating a mantra and saying things to yourself while you do it. Yeah. I know that people do that. People shoot all the time. They don't know how far it was. They don't know if they lined up their peep. They don't know if they leveled up their,

their bow. Um, they just shoot and then they don't know what happened. I don't know where the arrow went. So yeah, that can happen in the blink of an eye or it seems like a thousand miles an hour when really it's a lot of steps to that process you need to be aware of. This bull that I shot in California, which was absolutely the biggest bull that I ever shot in my life. I know, huge. I was so aware of every single moment of the whole process. aware of every single moment of the whole process and we were we called this bull in and the bull circled around to try to get our wind and when he was at 50 yards he was looking right at us but he still wasn't sure what we were because we were fully camoed like when a bull sees you and you're not moving they

don't know what the fuck you are they recognize movement yeah if you're still yeah so he was like like trying to figure out what we were but he was clearly horny you know and uh when uh my buddy cody who's with me the guide when he blew the cow call and the bull stopped at 50 yards i remember every single thing i did i remember watching the peep and then settling it in there with the housing, making sure it's perfect, making sure the level is just right, pulling through the shot, and watching that arrow.

And that makes up for all that time. I mean, I enjoy archery. I enjoy the practice. So it's not like it's difficult work. It's enjoyable. But knowing that you put in all that time and during that time with with for sure the biggest elk i've ever seen on the hoof i've never seen an elk that's that big yeah and to have that arrow right behind the shoulders like oh yeah that's why with the pictures of it i wanted that

hole to be right there in the picture. I want to see that. Yeah. That was perfect. Yeah. And they talk about people think basketball, baseball, fighting, things happen in slow motion is what people have termed it as. It's like everything slows down and you're in complete control. Whereas when you're not, when you're new, it's like you don't remember any of it. Yeah.

So it sounds like that experience right there was like slow motion. Everything was, you were just in control of every aspect. And it was also, it was great because it was only two weeks after Utah. So I had already gone on the first hunt. I had already had success. I understood. I was in the groove. It's like hunting is a thing that I think is like many things.

It's like you have to do, like when I do stand up a lot, I get loose. And then I know what I'm doing. I still get nervous. I still get excited because it's important to me. But I know what it is. I'm super familiar with it. When I take like 10 months off of hunting and then I go back in and hunt again, like the first arrow or so.

I know. It's like that's one of the things that's great about lanai. Yeah. That hunt is the best hunt to warm up because you got all these targets. It's a tough one to warm up to. It's a tough one. I like spring bear. That's a good one too.

Yeah, yeah. But it's the same sort of thing, right? Yeah. You get this opportunity to get a great animal, get that meat, but also you get the feeling of bow hunting. And it's not just a memory. It's a very recent memory. Yeah. You know, I was thinking, well, I think a lot of things when I think about hunting.

But that is one where we're in regular society. It's like everything's a thousand miles an hour. We're not even paying attention to detail, barely listening to people when they talk, you know? And just, and with hunting, it's like, you have to shed all that. And you're like, no, I got to be present in every single moment. I got to make all these good decisions. I got to be aware of the wind of everything that's going on. So you're hyper-focused, whereas in life you're not focused at all a lot of times. So I was thinking about that too. But then also that brought me to another point.

Like my sheep that I just killed, it's like it's already over. And I'm trying to think about what kind of sense that makes to me. Because if it wasn't for photos, and we get judged a lot for our photos, you know, the grip and grins, so to speak. But if it wasn't for the photos, all I have is my memory of that moment. Right. And that memory fades.

And I'm like, I killed that animal, one of the most iconic animals in the West. I've only hunted him twice in my entire life. And so that moment of killing it, butchering it, packing it out, that's over. That's what that was one afternoon. Is that it? But no, I have this video and I have these photos and I have these, these memories that are, that are, that are on my phone, you know, and I can relive. And it's like so powerful because, you know, we talked about that. I looked at some of the native american stuff back there but then the cave drawings and all

that was kind of their memory of the hunt but how powerful is those memories we capture on the hunt otherwise it's just a fading memory and sometimes our memory changes it yeah you know what i mean yeah but that photo and that video, like that, the kill of, of you, I think two or three years ago now in Utah, but we have that forever. That's the elk right when you walk in. Yeah. I saw it. The one by the flag. I saw it. I'll never forget that. No, I remember that bull, but I remember that moment and we have that moment captured forever. But, um, I was thinking about how important that is for and we have that moment captured forever but um i was thinking about how important that is for hunters to have those memories and to be able to look back because other than that it's just it's just that that i'm gonna die in on on one day i think one of the

problems that we face is that it's very difficult for us to get the way we feel about hunting to uh to get into the minds of other people that don't hunt you know they they don't understand why we're so happy when the animal gets hit yeah because they don't understand how hard it is to do they don't understand there's so much anxiety and there's so much pressure and then when you keep it together and execute and you see that arrow right behind the shoulder right into the vitals and you know you did your job you're're like, it's so, like that moment when you turned around to me, and you're like, oh, my God. I'm like, oh, like we did it.

That was a moment where all that hard work, all that practice, it all paid off. But from the outside in, you're looking at that and going. Why are they so happy? They're so happy because this animal's dying. Exactly. Why are they so happy? I was watching a video today where this guy shot this giant mule deer and afterwards him and his buddy were laughing and high-fiving and he grabs this huge, like 21 guys are vicious psychopaths that killed this animal and they're happy that it's dead.

That's not it. You have to kind of be there to see how hard it is to do. I wish everyone could experience how hard it is to get to the place where you're in a shot, you're in a position to make a shot to be actually competent enough with archery to execute especially a long shot right a 50 yard shot a 60 yard shot a long shot and then to understand what it really means because it's not a killing thing it is it's a success thing and it's a nurturing thing because you're going to get food from that. This is going to nurture your body and your family's body.

This is food. It's the best food. And you're a testament to that, man. I mean, if somebody wants to look at athletic performance, look at what the fuck you do and look at what you eat. You don't think that's related? It's got to be related. Your nutrition is off the charts. You have literally like your, your diet is mostly wild game. It's like the most nutrient rich meat that's available, but you gotta go get it. Yeah. You gotta go get it. Yeah.

No, there's a, and that's empowering. Yeah. Just having that mindset, but it's the mindset too, that goes along with the fuel and then the purpose. Yeah. So it's like it's that perfect storm, but yeah. And the diminishing thing, the people that want to diminish and go, yeah, well, that's not available to everybody. The whole world can't hunt. Well, guess what? Even if they could, they wouldn't.

Yeah. Like the whole world can't do most things. Right. Most people aren't going to do most things. Right. It's true. Most people are just are just they just for whatever reason. I'm not saying they can't do better I'm not saying that I wish they didn't do better I wish they did but they're not it looks if you just looked at reality if you say like honey's unavailable

It's not it's not a way the world can survive with food And we need to all go vegan because otherwise everyone's going to be factory farming. I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm telling you what I do. If you want to do what I do, guess what? It's possible. Yeah, it's definitely possible. It's totally possible. Yeah. Not easy. We're not maxed out on opportunity for hunters. Not even close. I know bow hunting especially is gaining in popularity in a large part because of you and what you've talked about and these discussions like this. And who wouldn't be attracted to that? I mean, that's any or not any man, but many men want to know more about that lifestyle just from these discussions.

So I get that, but we're not maximized on opportunity for sure. No, not even at all and you know my first feeling of success hunting was not bow hunting it was rifle hunting when steve ranella i mean first of all how lucky i am am i rather to have steve ranella introduced me to hunting and you introduced me to bow hunting i'm very lucky but when he took me out on that mule deer hunt in Montana and I shot that buck and we were eating that meat over the fire that night, I remember thinking right away, I'm doing this forever. This is what I do. And even if I had just done rifle hunting,

I would have been doing that forever. I would have been doing it forever. That's what I do. Well, I think that's a good place for a lot of hunters to start. Rifle hunting is a great segue into the lifestyle. For sure. For sure. And then if you want to transition to bow hunting, that's fine too. You don't have to. It just takes much more time to be proficient with the bow. Much more time.

But rifle hunting is available to a lot more people. And especially folks here in Texas, pig hunting is available all year round. It's great meat. It's delicious. You can bring it to, if you find a good butcher shop, they'll make you some great sausage. My God, wild boar sausage is sensational. It's so good. It's so good for you.

And you're also doing a good service because they need to get rid of some of these animals there's it's an infestation of these invasive animals wild pigs are not natural to this area they're not uh rather native to this area they're invasive they're they're brought in by the spaniards like fucking 1400 whatever the hell it was when they brought pigs over here for the first time and they're they're a great game animal. You can shoot them all year round. People are happy if you shoot them. Yeah. They'll let you on their property to shoot them.

They take care of a lot of crops. Yeah. You know, Mike Judge, the guy from Beavis and Butthead, he actually asked me to come kill pigs at his place. Really? Yeah. Well, if you want to go whitetail hunting with me, I'm coming down in December. Oh!

Or no, wait. The end, right after Thanksgiving. Mm. And they got some big bucks. Yeah, they do have big bucks. Yeah, I killed, Truett killed one last year. I killed two.

Nice. But yeah, it's free range, South Texas. And they're delicious. Oh, so good. Mm. GK Paloma. I want to do some neal guy hunting out here. That's another animal.

That's an invasive animal that my friend Jesse Griffiths, who was the head chef at Dai Due restaurant, which is an amazing restaurant in town that has a lot of wild game on the menu. And he serves Neal guy on the menu. and he made like neil guy ceviche oh my god it's sensational it's raw neil guy but it's like got citrus juice on it and onions and jalapenos and it's fantastic that's another interesting animal that lives out here this uh I was down here last year, there was this cook in camp. The Gathering Girl is her name on Instagram. But I didn't know who she was.

We were at this little trailer, I think. And she brought over dinner. She had cooked. We'd been out hunting. And I took a bite. I think it was duck. And I've never even eaten duck. I'm not a big duck eater. But anyway, I took a bite, and I was just like, took a bite. I think it was duck and I've never even eaten duck. I'm not like a

big duck eater, but anyway, I took a bite and I was just like, wait a second. Who are you? I mean, it, it was like the best meal I have ever eaten in this hunting camp in some trailer. And she had tattoos kind of, I didn't know even find her on Instagram. What was it? Gathering girl, the gathering girl, but the most amazing cook. I just couldn't believe the Find her on Instagram. The Gathering Girl? The Gathering Girl. But the most amazing cook. I just couldn't believe the food we ate there. The thing about wild game cooks like Jesse Griffiths or Steve Rinell, who's an amazing cook himself, it's like wild game cooks, there's a different feeling of connection to the animals that they're cooking because not only are these people chefs, like Jesse's an amazing chef, but he's also a hunter. And Jesse actually runs, there she is.

Jesse- She helped me skin my deer and yeah, she was awesome. Oh, okay. Let me see some other pictures here. Yeah, look at that. Okay. So she's mostly cooking wild game stuff too. No, she's like a five-star chef i didn't know this oh a five-star chef and a hunter see uh jesse actually has courses where he takes people out for their first time hunting and he takes people out he takes them through the whole thing shooting the animal butchering it and then cooking

it so he teaches them through this this whole course that runs. And it's to get people more enthusiastic and get them to understand what hunting is like and get them to appreciate what's possible with wild game cooking. Well, if she prepared it, I mean, it's the best meal you've ever had. Yeah. And people are interested. Jesse is on one of the episodes of, he's actually on two of the episodes of Steve Rinella's show, Meat Eater on Netflix. One episode where they went down to South Texas

and they went fishing and they caught a bunch of redfish and a bunch of different fish from the ocean down there and they cooked those up and then they hunted and they shot Neil Guy and then they hunted and they shot Neil Guy and then they cooked that.

It's an amazing episode. To have someone who's a really good cook that can prepare wild game in that way is really sensational. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It made an impact on me. So if you want to go there, let me know. Do you cook yourself?

Usually my wife. She cooks it? Yeah. I was like, how do you have the time? Yeah. I usually get home. And the thing about it, I can tell like for whatever reason, the bulls I kill, I can always tell the Arizona, the Arizona bull is the best bull of any of the ones I kill. She'll make a dinner and I'll come home. I'll be eating elk and I'll be like, this is Arizona, right? And I can tell. How can you tell? I tell I don't know just taste amazing I wonder what they're eating that makes them taste different I'm not sure yeah wonder what their diet is it's different different grasses that they're looked at I knew at one time and now I can't think of, yeah. Let me think. I don't know, but whatever it is, it's.

That's crazy. You're like a wine sommelier. Yeah, with elk. You eat it, you sniff it. This is Arizona. Well, I mean, the Oregon pepperoni steaks from this bowl this year were incredible, but part of that, too, is a processor that in Cottage Grove, those guys do amazing.

Cottage Grove, Oregon, they do amazing with my elk. But the Arizona bulls, just right as they come, man, so good. Yeah, it's amazing meat. The thing about elk is most of the people that are buying elk, if you go to a restaurant and you get like elk tenderloin what's crazy is you're getting it from New Zealand oh really yeah hmm no wild yeah not that fresh then well maybe they freeze it fresh and then ship it over here frozen means not much different than if I take a steak out of my freezer yeah that's true right yeah unless you're, I ate a couple pieces of liver and a couple pieces of backstrap fresh before, you know, I had to vacuum seal everything and put it in the freezer. Yeah.

But, like, doesn't take much difference. No. Between fresh and thawed out. We use, like, a lot of the, if I want to kill a bear, we'll put that in the Instapot. And that, man, that Instapot makes meat really good. So a slow cooker? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It says Insta, but it's really like six hours. No, but it's like high pressured. Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, right.

It is. It's, yeah, is it six hours? Depends. Yeah. I mean, you can cook it real slow. Yeah, I've got one. Yeah, all I know is whatever comes out of it is man Well, I had it in my old house that I need to get I need to go back to California and grab it is a Suvi

Those you know jewel suvies. So you ever do that? No, you you seal it in a bag and you could seal it with like a marinade and like garlic and whatever you want to cook your meat with and Then like say if you want it, do you know the deal behind it? No. All right. Say if you want to cook like a deer steak to 130 degrees, which would be like kind of like a medium rare.

You seal this in this bag. You put your marinade or whatever spices you want to put on the meat. Then you put it in this water and you set the jewel whatever company you know there's a bunch of different sous vide companies but the idea is it keeps the water at 130 degrees okay it never gets any hotter so you could cook at 130 degrees for like six hours i know people that have cooked things like shoulders and stuff like that or a tougher cut of meat for 24 hours. And then they're just falling apart probably. And it comes out just falling apart.

But you get it to the perfect temperature. And then they use a blowtorch, and they sear the outside with a fucking blowtorch. Oh, my God. It's sensational. I bet it's great. Or you could sear it in like a really wicked hot cast iron frying pan. You sear the outside, then you let it rest for about 10 minutes and slice it in.

Perfect. Because you know when you get a steak and it's like kind of crispy on the outside. Yeah. Yeah. You know, most of the way I cook it was with a Traeger. But you get the same thing. I use the thermometer inside of it. And I get it to like – with the Traeger, I usually keep it a little lower.

I get it to like 120 degrees, but I heat it up at like 260. So I'll heat it at 260 until it reaches an internal temperature of 120, and then I sear it on the outside. Oh, I see. Yeah. I'm more of a – I eat for fuel, not for taste, so I'm like so – But don't you like both? You talked about this lady's duck. Yeah, I know.

But it doesn't motivate me. I mean, it's like any effort I'm putting out is always for a purpose. Right. No, I get it. Yeah. But you could have both. Yeah, I know. I understand.

Fueled and taste. Yeah. I love cooking. But that reminded me too, you said Juul, which that was an amazing podcast. Oh, the other Juul. Yeah, the Juul singer. Yeah, I know. God, that was. But that also too reminded me of somebody who came up,

you know, maybe that hard upbringing, character developing, and just without a hard up or her upbringing, and it sounded terrible, but maybe she wouldn't be Jewel. You know, it's interesting. There's certain podcasts that really resonate with people, and that one podcast, I've had more friends call me and text me about that than any podcast in recent memory other than Sanjay Gupta.

Yeah. That was a big one. For different reasons. For different reasons. Yeah. But the Jewel one, like so many people were motivated by her and so many people were impressed by her. Yeah.

Like I knew she was smart because I had seen her talk on Instagram and, you know, I'd seen the videos that she did. And, you know, her and I had gone back and forth and we had chatted, but not in person. But then to see her talk in person and realize not only she's smart, like to do like a quick clip on Instagram where you get to see the way her brain works, but when you're having a conversation with her, a prolonged conversation for hours. I told her she should do a podcast. Well, I tell it to everybody. But I mean it when I say it because I think it's an amazing way to be completely independent, but especially her.

because I think it's an amazing way to be completely independent, but especially her Mike you don't get To be that person without Trial by fire mm-hmm like she was kicked she left her house and she's 15. She was homeless at 18 I know and then 20 she's a millionaire. Yeah, it's nuts man audible story My mom steals a hundred million bucks from her That was you could tell she didn't she like she million bucks from her oh that was you could tell she didn't she like she's kind of torn with that you know i mean nobody wants to trash her mom you know what i mean i would trash my mom she stole 100 million yeah i'd be on here every day fuck you bitch i could i could even she was she was almost not really making excuses but didn't

want to trash her essentially and i mean i get that too you know i mean it's for you can say that because you're removed it's not your mom but it's like of course from the outside perspective it's different but for her i felt bad yeah i did too it was but i mean i think and i i can speak for a lot of people it's like she's another one of those people who you've exposed i mean she's everybody knew her before but i mean exposed a different part or different layer of that person and um you know her i i just watched the the documentary on uh um anthony bourdain i mean it's it's just like i just keep thinking about all these people who i wouldn't know in the same light if it wasn't for you. And it's like I think that's, you know, your legacy is that.

I mean, you've shared these amazing people with legions, millions, you know, that otherwise you wouldn't have known them. You know what's the weirdest part about it? It all happens in here and it all feels like it's just me and that person. Like right now. Yeah. You and I are talking, but fucking millions of people are going to see this and hear this.

That's what's weird. Yeah, that is. It doesn't feel like that. Like you and I could be having this conversation. We're going to have this conversation at dinner, right? We're going to go eat after this. Like we always talk like this. I mean, not like completely uninterrupted.

Right. Like a podcast style. But it's not much different. Not much different. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So to get a chance to sit down with someone like her and just talk, I mean, I'm, of course, I'm aware of my job.

I know what it is. And I'm trying to, like like massage the conversation to get the most but with her it was so easy yeah but i the weird thing is it just feels like me and you it just feels like her and i it just it doesn't feel like the world is watching yeah which is the strangest thing about the impact of it yeah is that it does really just feel like a normal conversation yeah i i mean there but you know you know as well as anybody not everybody's good at doing that did that this you know like what what how you're good at it and it's just second nature um i listen to a lot of shitty podcasts because those people aren't good at they like to be you

but they can't and it's like it's not as easy as it sounds It's weird right, but it's I swear to God Whatever the fuck My personality is like why my personality is the way it is. It's almost like I was born for this Mm-hmm, like I was born to do this this way. Yeah, like it's not hard at all, right? It requires some like sometimes require some effort like I have to do research on Like certain different authors like some of the subjects. I want to be I want to be able to Get certain parts of their work out. You know to try to like

There's certain things. I'd like to discuss about who they are what they do, but It's not it's not a hard thing. It's a- Well, not when you're born to do it. Like this is your gift. It's like my personality was designed for this. Because I've always, like I was telling Theo earlier, I always talk too much when I was a kid.

Everybody told me, shut the fuck up. Like you ask too many questions. But I'm always like, well, how come? Well, why is this? Why do we have to do that? Who says? who the fuck are they you know i will i've always been that guy okay so as podcasts develop and then as i've developed the like my skill at communicating which is definitely i think podcasting and conversations having a conversation with a person is a skill.

Like, you know, some people are bad at it. You talk to them and it's awkward. And then some people are like, ah, I really like talking to that guy. Like, it's a nice little dance. Right. You develop it. Yeah. But it's like I was meant to do this.

So why have Jewel on? I mean, were you just interested in her story? Well, I've always been a fan of her singing. Her voice is fucking incredible. Yeah. And then her story is wild, man. And I also, when I realized that that show, Alaska, The Last Frontier. Was her family.

Was her family. I was like, Jewel comes from there? Oh, I see. I'm like, wow. I was like, that's crazy. Like? Oh, I see. I'm like, wow. I was like, that's crazy. Like, these people are homesteaders. Like, they're the most robust, live off the land type of people there are. Everything they do, the hunting and the fishing and everything off the land.

You know, and the fact that that's where she came from, I was stunned. Because she's so beautiful and her voice is so incredible. Yeah. And the fact that she came out of that like wow yeah what are the fucking odds and then to uh to be like some people are just more impressive when they're in front of you and she's more impressive like her mind is yeah incredibly impressive yeah that's what that's what struck me is I think I texted you about how smart she was. Yeah, Jesus Yeah, this girl is amazing. Well, she's also developing like a school curriculum. Yeah, she's got a mental health program

Yeah, like it's she's committed to that. I mean she's she's uh, I Don't know. I was super impressed. She's also a real artist. What I mean by a real artist, she's an artist that decided at the peak of her fame that she was getting too famous. Yeah. So she took two years off. I know. That podcast fascinated me. Well, that's not normal.

No. That's super rare. And to turn down that first million dollar offer. At 20 years old, broke as fuck. Yeah. She turns down a million dollars like what that's pretty insightful it's just super unusual yeah just super unusual but that's also why she can make those kind of songs that's why she can become that person that

she is is this you know and it's a good it's a good argument for overcoming adversity that how important it is because like her life was filled with nothing but adversity just one challenge after the next yeah but through it she came out of the other end the opposite of jaded like the worst case scenario is you get through all that and you're a hardened, jaded person. She's the opposite of that. She's kind and forgiving and interesting and wild. Her dad, it wasn't a great upbringing with her dad. Then her mom when she was an adult. And now she's closer with her dad, it sounds like. Well, she doesn't even talk to her mom if she stole $100 million.

Right. But anyway, the point is that story i mean i'm just super thankful that you know you expose people to i mean i knew jewel but man not that not that part of it so well i'm super thankful that i get to have the conversations that i have with these people because it's been an amazing education for me i've learned so much about life through talking to all these brilliant people, all these amazing, interesting people. I've been exposed to more different kinds of people, exceptional people, than most people that have ever lived.

I mean, if you really stop and think about 1,700-plus podcasts with all these brilliant folks. Yeah. And funny and different too. Like yesterday I had Gilbert Gottfried on who's like a legendary comedian. I remember him. Legendary. Legendary guy. And then the day before that I had my friend Ari Shafir, my friend Shane Gillis and Mark Norman.

And we were all drunk and smoking cigars. It's like it's all different. And we're talking shit. It's wild. It's like every's all different, and we're talking shit. It's wild. It's like every podcast is like a different kind of experience, but I have more of an understanding of people because of that than I would have ever had if I just lived a regular life. Yeah.

But I think also the people that listen in, they get the same thing that I got out of it. Like what I'm getting out of it is not much different than what they're getting out of it. Because you can listen to these conversations and you also get exposed to people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Neil deGrasse Tyson and Brian Cox and all these comedians and Cam Haines and all these different human beings. It's like, do you get to see all the different ways a person can think about life and live life? Right. Yeah. That's important.

It's wild, man. Yeah. And that's, that's life. Life should be all these different kinds of experiences. It's, it's life is so it's,

it's so many possibilities you know and i think that's scary for people it's what we were talking about earlier about people that are afraid of success they're afraid of the unknown they're afraid of like maybe it'll like the anxiety of not knowing how things are going to go yeah it's sometimes more overwhelming than the knowledge that you're a failure like the knowledge that you're a failure. Like the knowledge that you're a failure that you went back to the pills. Oh, no, he's drinking again. Like that is like more comforting for some people to know that they're a failure than it is to not know if you're going to be a success.

Yeah. No, I think you're right. Yeah. I mean, and if nothing else, if people, because of listening in here, maybe take more chances. Oh, that's the world needs. The world needs change takers. They need chance takers. You need it, too.

Everybody needs it. I need it. We all need it. We need, you know, that fucking staying inside the harbor, man. What are you doing? Yeah, I know. Get out, bitch. Don't do anything stupid.

Don't be swimming with sharks. See that video I posted yesterday? Oh, my God, yeah. What the fuck, man? That guy had no idea. No, just out swimming in the ocean. It's almost dead. Those give me as much anxiety as those people that do backflips on the top of roofs.

Oh, yeah. I can't watch people get hurt and do stuff like that. I don't like it i don't like those height ones when people are like death defying heights i saw that there's a big story out that joe rogan returns to the booth ufc 268 that's a big story yeah that's hilarious i don't know if it's a big story but it was doing this for 21 fucking years i know but you've been you've been gone for a while they've done a lot of UFCs every weekend, it seems like. Oh, yeah.

The last time I did one was July, I think. Really? I think so. Yeah, so it's been a while. August, September, October, November. Yeah, four months. Yeah. It's been a while.

Well, I was supposed to be at the one in September. There was a big one in Vegas, but I had to be Al Cotton, bitch. That was a story, too. Yeah. Sorry. People are mad at me. Yeah. I'm like, listen, I appreciate you, but I am not going to pass up on elk hunting, especially

during the rut. No. It's a small window of time, and I'm going to be out there. Yeah. Fact. But you're going to be at this one. I'm going to be at this one. It's going to be epic.

And one of the things about calling the UFC is I do it because I want to do it. Yeah. I do it because I love it. Yeah. I mean, it's way easier for me to just kick back at home with a cold one and watch on TV. Watch fights, yeah. Put my feet up and even being there live. I'd like to be there live and not call it.

But honestly, it wouldn't be as good because I have a better seat. Because I'm not only am I live, I'm right at the cage and I have the monitors. Yeah. So I get to see things from different angles. My vision's blocked. Yeah. Oh, my God. I can't wait.

Yeah, that's one of the luckiest things that I am because I'm such a fan of the sport. but to be there right at the edge of the cage with all the monitors and the headphones so I could hear everything perfectly and to sit next to Daniel Cormier and John Anik and to call the fights and then the fact that I can actually like enhance it for some people and put words to the performances

and express how much of a fan i am and let that enthusiasm come through how much very thankful how much do you love the in the octagon interviews afterwards after the fights man some of them are intense like rose nama unis oh yeah like i could i cried emotional i cried watching that one when i watched it the second time did you because she's like there's something about her it's like yeah when she's endearing she's not just endearing she's so pure yeah like when her and her her boyfriend pat barry when they're talking to each other after the fight and and he's like you're the best you're the best she's like i am the best oh and she's kind of crying like i'm just crying yeah and when i talked

to her inside the octagon when i said before the fight because she was standing there before the fight she was like i'm the best i'm the best yeah and then i said that you were saying this to yourself before the fight she goes i am the best yeah it's like oh the way she said like a revelation but it was like it was also it was so pure it was like, it was also, it was so pure. It was like, she was laughing and smiling and enjoying it. And even when she won the title, like when she won the title and she beat, uh, she beat, um, you want to own J check. She was like, I just, you know, like we need to be better people.

We just be nice to each other. I'm like, she really means that she's like this hippie assassin yeah it's weird and i think the reason why when she was saying she's the best because it feels to me like she's doubted she's doubted if she was the best and then she was like it was like a revelation that i am the best you know because it was that you know is that mixed with that doubt or coming from the doubt. It's like, what's what made it so powerful. And I'm telling you, her challenge this weekend is not a small one. It's a big challenge. I know she knocked Zhang Weili out in the first fight with that head kick, but had she not landed that

kick, that woman is a fucking monster. Yeah.hang weili is one of the strongest women fighters that has ever existed she's so powerful and so aggressive and her physical preparation is second to none when you watch that lady train you're like holy fuck i know she's like a woman possessed she chopped off all her hair for this fight too too. She's not fucking around. I saw it. And you know, yeah. She's got a haircut like Bruce Lee. And it's a lot of pressure representing a country like that. Oh, my God. Representing China? Yeah.

Yeah. Listen, tremendous pressure. Tremendous pressure. And she's the, you know, she's a hero over there. And she took that fight hard. She took that loss hard. She was devastated. But right back to the drawing board, I've been watching video footage of her training. that fight hard she took that loss hard she was she was devastated but right

back to the drawing board I've been watching video footage of her training and oh my god that woman she prepares like second to none there's no one who prepares hard it's not possible to prepare harder than her I mean she's doing it intelligently you know they're they're monitoring her sign her VO2 max and all that stuff and her heart rate. But my God, the effort and the intensity, but so's Rose. I saw Rose hitting and kicking pads in the hotel room. There's some pop on those things. Oh my God. She's so skilled. Yeah. Her striking is amazing. Incredible. Incredible. And her ability to rise to the occasion and find the mark. Like when she landed that head kick on her,

I mean, think about how many times she's done that. When she knocked out Joanna, when she landed that left hook on Joanna and cracked her and dropped her and then put her away, like she can do that to anybody. And she looks so innocent, just like her appearance is so polar opposite of the violence she can cause.

I know. Totally unassuming and beautiful. Shaves her fucking head. That's what's crazy. If you see her with her long hair, she's gorgeous. Yeah. Look at the two of them. I know.

Oh, my God. Intense, man. Intense. Intense. And it's going to be interesting to see how Zhang Weili responds to the first fight. You know, we have never seen her get KO'd like that. No. And KO'd by a head kick early in the first round.

Yeah. And whether she's going to be tentative now and worried about getting hit again, or whether she's just going to be ferocious because she wants to get it back and she wants to get revenge. And to see how Rose responds to it. Because, listen, if you don't take Zhang Weili out like that yeah you're in for a war that fight that she had with yohana yonjechek was one of the craziest fights i've ever seen the the back and forth war between zhang weili and yohana yonjechek was like an all-time classic all-time classic yohana's head was a mess

oh my god it was giant like she had a football stuffed under her skin. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing like that sport. No. Nothing like it. No. It makes other things seem less entertaining, and they're less intense.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, I agree. Po-po hunting's better. Po-po hunting's better. Well, nothing's dying, usually, I agree. Poe Pohanning's better. Poe Pohanning's better. Well, nothing's dying usually in fighting. Hopefully not. Knock on wood.

Don't say that, Cam. Shit. Yeah. No. Big card like that, Madison Square Garden, that'll fuck it up for everybody. No. That'd be terrible. That would be terrible.

What is this? What is Kobe doing? First of all, what's he wearing? Just a little media thing. What's Kobe wearing? Is this today? Look at the both of them. They're both wearing amazing shit. Look at. What does Kobe have? Look at what he's got on. Look at what's he wearing? What's Colby wearing? Look at the both of them. They're both wearing amazing shit.

What does Colby have? Look at what he's got on. Look at what Colby's wearing. I think it says no virgins on it, maybe. It says something, the king. Oh, is that Bang Energy? Did Bang pay for that? Bang might have paid for that. Rewind that all the way to the beginning. Give me some volume and let me hear what they're saying.

Oh. Oh, Kamaru pushed him. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. I love that suit. Look at his suit. Leopard skin suit.

Come on. I think Kamaru's, he's worried. Oh, he's pointing to his chin where he broke his jaw. Is that a Bang Energy drink suit? Is that really what that is? I don't know. I feel sad if it is. It says virgins on it. I think it says no virgins on the arm here.

Well, that's pretty silly as well. It's very Miami. Yeah. Oh, is he the king of Miami? Maybe that's what it says. Is that what he's saying? It says chaos, right? That might be what it says there.

It's a very odd choice. But, you know. Hey, you got to make your mark somehow, right? Yeah, you got to make your mark. This is a wild fight. I'm really curious to see what adjustments both guys make and whether or not Colby can figure out something different this time. You know, because that was a very close fight.

I think going into the fifth round, if I remember correctly, it might have been two apiece. No, it was 3-1 was three one three one opposite ways and two two oh so three one three one opposite ways yeah so one person had colby ahead three one person had kamaro ahead and then one person had it even so that's as close as it gets yeah yeah it's close this is chaos miami colby coming that's a terrible suit oh he's got the 541 at the bottom though that's oregon it says greetings nerds and virgins yeah i like this look at his chain shit that's so ridiculous i'd wear that to the fight it's smart

that people are talking people are talking about it. The thing about him is you can get caught up in the hype and think that he's a joker and it's a lot of show business, but that motherfucker can fight. He can fight, and his gas tank is second to none. The only person that's right there with him is Kamaru. I think those two guys go down as all-time greats. I think those two guys go down as all-time greats. And I think if it wasn't for Kamaru, if Kamaru didn't exist, Cole Beebe would 100% be the UFC welterweight champion. 100%. Yeah.

Yeah, he puts a lot on. And I could see his point about the momentum getting stopped when he kicked and they called it Kamaru acted like a nut shot. He's saying it was liver. Let's see what that, I'm trying to remember that. I'm trying to remember where it landed. Colby's saying that that stopped his momentum and he goes, you know how fighting is momentum. And he landed some shots, landed that big shot, and then it was stopped. So Kamaru got a 33 second break. Let me see what that looks like. Let me see if we can find that because I'm trying to remember.

I literally don't remember where it actually landed. It was right on the belt line. I think you'll see. But Kamaru acted like it was low, so they gave him a break. The belt line's odd, right? Because there's parts of the belt line where you can go below, right? You can kick the legs on the inside. Like you can kick the leg right here inside. And that's no problem.

Yeah. Right? And you could also kick right here, and that's no problem. Let's see this. I think it's right here. Is it third or the second round? What round was it? It was a finger poke, too.

That was an issue. Yeah. No, he said he hit him in the left eye, and then he actually got poked in the right eye. Hmm. I don't know about that. Right here, his body hit him, I think. We just got to see when Kamaru gets time away. Right there.

Right there. Oh, let me see that. Let me see that. Let me see that. Let me see that again. Hmm. Oh, I don't know about that that was liver that's what no no no that's not liver liver's up here colby liver is way high this is definitely not liver there's not a chance in hell that's liver it's not it's not a nut shot it's no is on the belt line it's not a nut shot, though. No, it's on the belt line. It's not a nut shot. It's not a nut shot.

It's not a nut shot. It's a belt shot. See, it's not liver. Liver is right here. Okay. Liver is like this. Well, it got a reaction out of him for some reason. Well, he might have been thinking it was low enough for him to take a break, but it did hit a little bit.

It definitely hit where it's not supposed to, okay? It's supposed to hit above the belt line. So, like, we'll watch it right here. Trying to go slower so you can see, but. Watch it right here. Yeah. Did his shin. The shin hit the chest area

The shin is elevated The knee is up And the foot is down So the lowest point of impact is the toes Which are hitting above the nuts Everything's above the nuts I think it hurt I mean he needed a

I don't know Well listen Clearly Everything's above the nuts All of it I mean maybe he's got, I don't know. Well, listen, clearly, everything's above the nuts. All of it. I mean, maybe he's got a giant dick. He probably does. Maybe his dick got compressed.

I don't know. But it looks there to me like it's a low blow for sure. It's definitely below the belt, which you're not supposed to hit. But it's not on the nuts. The nuts are below that. Yeah. But it might, there's a possibility that the toe hit the cup right where the nuts are. They also started fighting, but the video doesn't stop, I guess, and 30 seconds later

he said he's fine. So that was a 30 second break. Right. He sat down though. Yeah. He went over and sat down. Let's watch this again. Watch what happens. Let's watch this again. Watch what happens.

Let's watch what happens when he kicks him. Oh, they played a slow-mo, too. Give me some volume on that so I can hear what I have to say. Stay there. Time. It touched. Stay there. See, the referee stopped it.

Away from the corner. Hold there. Take your time. Stay where you are. Let's take a look at that. No coaching. Come on. I forget what I said when we take a look at it. Yeah.

Yeah, I said then what I said now, that it does not seem like it hit the cup. It was on the belt line. Yeah. It was on the belt line, I think. Yeah, I said then what I said now, that it does not seem like it hit the cup. It seems like it hit the belt line. There's me. Yeah. Oh, Cam Haines. So they did give him a little bit of a break there, and Colby's got a real argument there. Yeah.

And so he thought he had the momentum there because he was hurt. I mean, it's possible that it shoved the cup into... Yeah, we're just fighting now. Yeah, you know, there's an argument that if it wasn't stopped right there for that moment, if the referee said keep fighting, that Colby might have gained an advantage. Especially when they're looking at 12 to 12, you know, two rounds, two rounds. But here's the thing. The definitive moment was in the final round when Kamaru put him away.

Kamaru slammed that right hand into his chin, dropped him, and also that Colby went into the round saying that he had a broken jaw. Incredible that he fought a full round. I think he said during the third round that his jaw was broken yeah if i remember that was it happened at the end of the third so you got to remember the guy fought the fourth and he fought the fifth with a fucking broken jaw if that's true but then i saw him a

recent video where he was uh being interviewed by brett akimoto and he said it wasn't broken no it turns out it wasn't broken oh really yeah so he thought it was broken yeah he said it wasn't broken. No, it turns out it wasn't broken. Oh, really? Yeah. So he thought it was broken. Yeah, he thought it was, but it wasn't. Interesting. So when the Nevada State Athletic Commission does that suspension thing, what's that based off of? Did they suspend it for a broken jaw? Yeah. Upon

further examination, generally. Like a slight fracture I think is what it said, or hairline fracture or something like that. I don't know. I mean, they would have to like, look at that boom right hand So this is this is the most important part of the fight because there's a war of attrition and right now Kamaru has hurt him real bad and Colby's just turtled up and Kamaru stops him and he drops him twice and then stops him and I know Colby's protesting But yeah, you know, it's hard to say when a person should stop a fight.

But would you say, what if he could have piled on more damage when it stopped with the low blow? Never know. And what about the eye poke? Yeah, I don't know about the eye poke. Do we have that one, Jamie? It was in the third, I think. In the third, yeah. He landed a couple big shots, and then it was right after the big.

Oh, you just had it. Yeah, right there. Oh, let's see. Right before that. So watch these shots. Oh, wait. Hmm. I'll go a little further back.

Wait a minute. Let me see that. So watch. Oh, head kick. Head kick. Oh, left. Punch. See, right there.

See, so easy. Yeah, yep. Wrong eye. I don't think that was a poke. No. Let me see that again. Let me see that again. Head kick.

Punch. He pawed out of maybe anything. No, I don't think so. I don't think that was a... See, so Colby had a problem with that one, too. I think he has a real good point there with that one. Well, I'd like to see that in slow motion. Let it play.

Let it play, because I'm sure we show the replay. I'm sure we show the replay. Give me some volume on this so I can hear what I'm saying. So watch this. Let's take a look at it. Oh, no, that went in the eye. That went in the eye 100%, but it went in the other eye. It went in the left eye.

That's the one I think he... Play it, but it went in the other eye. It went in the left eye. That's the one I think he caught. Play it. Play it real quick. Well, I don't know. That one looked like it went in the right eye. Let me see that again. Let me see that again. See that?

That went in the left eye. He's holding the left eye. No question about that one. He's holding the left, but then they're looking at the right. I think a finger went in the left eye, too, or the right eye, too. Kyle flinches at both, but from that angle, it's his pinky finger, so there's not another finger to go into his eye. Right. It happened very fast, though.

It's so hard to tell. But, you know, if you're Colby and you're looking for instances, these are two of them. You could be like, see? Yeah, but that one looks legit as fuck. That looks like the pinky's going right into his left eye. But what Colby says is it's left and then they're looking at his right. No question about that. Mm-hmm.

You see this, Dan? No question about that one. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I looking at his right. Let me see this again. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, it looked like it went in the left eye. Maybe they're examining the right eye as well. See right there, he's doing both. Yeah. They're actually playing both eyes of this guy.

Play it on again Play it on again If the head kick was to the right side See that one there It looks like the pinky went in his right eye too It looked like fingers went in his left eye But then the pinky went in his right eye That sucks man I really wish there was a way to make the gloves Where the fingers

Where you can grapple but the fingers weren't separated like that. What Colby's saying is both those instances, he landed big shots. Well, yeah, let's see what happens. Yeah. Let's see what happens in two days. And he's saying if it wouldn't have been for those two momentum stops, then the fifth would have been different. Could be. Or not.

Who the fuck knows? All you have to look at is how it actually played out. And the way it played out, Kamaru stopped him. He dropped him. He hurt him. That was the biggest moment of the fight was the fifth round.

But the real argument to me is not the eye poke. The eye poke is that one definitely went in that left eye. Whether or not it went in the right eye or not, I don't know. But the real moment is that kick. The kick is not on the cup. It's really right here, which is not fun to get kicked right there, but it's not the same as getting kicked in the nuts. And it seemed like, especially because the way he's kicking,

the knee is up high. So he's throwing this kick, right? As he's he's kicking, the knee is up high. So he's throwing this kick, right? As he's throwing the kick, the knee is up high and the foot is down low. It didn't really hit the nuts. That's a good argument for him. But it is low. So maybe he took advantage of the fact that the kick was low and he said, let me just take a little time off because I can. Because he kicked me low.

Yeah. But it wasn't a liver shot right well the liver is right here when you when you see a guy get hit with a left hook to the liver it's right here it's like in the ribs it's like and when you get hit there it's the craziest feeling when you get hit there with a good liver shot like everything just shuts down yeah so that wasn't a liver shot, but it was not a cup shot either. Well, yeah. It's a fucking awesome fight. That's what I'm psyched about. They're both in their prime. It's a little interesting with Kamaru being aggressive there.

Because it seems like, I don't know if i'm wrong if i'm wrong on this but it seems like the people who are aggressive usually it's doubt well i think for sure he wants uh he wants kobe to be emotional so it may not be doubt it might be strategy it might be like just like he might he might hate him he might want he might just almost not not be able to might be strategy it might be like just like he might he might hate him he might want he might just almost not not be able to stop himself i always think of khabib connor you know khabib was always reserved in control never emotional yeah connor was lashing out this is an amazing fight because both guys are really in their prime yeah they're both juggernauts they're both like i don't think i don't see anybody that that can fuck with them in that division right now

um kamzat shamaev kumshot kamzat kumzat colby called him kumshot well that's rude that's rude that guy's really interesting. Yeah. Really interesting. But he's got to face stiffer competition. You know Colby's nicknames. Yes. Somebody asked him about Kamzat today and he said- Called him Kamzat? Yeah.

How dare that? That's smart. That guy seems scary though. He's scary as fuck. He's scary as fuck. Talking to Dana, picking up- Yeah. Talking to him.

What? Yeah. Talking to him. That is insane. I come to kill everyone. I kill them all. to him. What? Yeah. Talking to him. I come to kill everyone. I kill them all. Insane. Yeah, he's a wild motherfucker. He's so good, too.

He's good at everything. Yeah. But we'll see when the competition ramps up. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Like, Li Jingliang is a tough guy. Yeah.

But he's not at that level. So, and Gerald Mearshart, tough guy, not at that level. So we're going to get a chance to see him. I want to see him against a guy like a Leon Edwards. Yeah. That's what I'd like to see. Oh, legit. Yeah.

And Neil Magny has asked for that fight, which is also an interesting fight. That would be interesting as well. I want to see him against a top fight guy. Neil Magny will show you what you are. I don't want to see him fight Nate Diaz. I don't really want that. The only reason why I would be interested in seeing that is because, like, Nate Diaz will find out if you're for real. Yeah.

Nate Diaz, like, with Leon, like, Nate Diaz losing that fight until the fifth round and then cracking Leon and having Leon in real fucking serious trouble. And I guess, could you see Nate choking Kamzat out? Who the fuck knows, man? Nate is a beast. Yeah, he is. He is such a fucking warrior. I'm more of a Nate fan. I would hate to see, I don't know.

I just want to see him win. I like when he wins. What I like is Nate getting paid. You know, if Nate gets paid big for that fight, if they set up a main event somewhere, Hamzat and Nate for a title elimination fight, I think if every fight went 100 rounds, Nate would never lose.

It's only like legitimately. I like how he talks about in the street you wouldn't be. He still talks about streets. Yeah. God, it's awesome. He'll still fight you in the streets. That's why. I like how he talks about in the street you want to be. He still talks about streets. Yeah. God, it's awesome. He'll still fight you in the streets. That's why. I love that.

The only guy who's legitimately beaten Nate is Josh Thompson. Josh Thompson legitimately stopped Nate. I mean, obviously, so did Jorge Masvidal. Other people have beaten him. Don't get me wrong. But I mean, like, shut it off. Yeah. And that was Josh.

Josh shut him off. Josh head kicked him. Josh Thompson in his prime was one of the most spectacular fighters on the planet. Completely well balanced. He had great wrestling, great submission, became a world champion. You know, he's a legit top of the food chain fighter. And he's the only guy that ever stopped Nate Diaz. You ever see, pull that up.

Crazy fight. And, you know, Nate was in his prime, and so was Josh. But Josh, you know, a lot of people, I mean, he's got a great podcast he does too with Big John McCarthy. They have a great take on things. Josh went through some fucking wars with Gilbert Melendez and Strikeforce. I mean,

boom, right there. Oh, nobody's beaten Nate like this. That was, that was the best beating that,

you know, anybody ever put on Nate. Yeah. And, and Mike Beltran stopped it. That's Josh. Yeah,

that was definitive. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably, Yeah, that was definitive. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably, you know, the finest performance that anybody's had against Nate. You know, obviously, Conor beat him by decision. Other guys have beaten him. You know, Rafael dos Anjos. There's other guys that have beaten him, but no one's beaten him like that.

Yeah, no, I haven't seen that before. That's, you know, that's the argument about Nate Diaz. But even Nate Diaz, he wasn't out there. He was still conscious. I mean, yeah, if I kept going he might have recovered look at this though Boom, I mean it doesn't hit much cleaner than that Yeah Yeah, it's a crazy sport man, and this weekend is wild as fuck that Gaethje Chandler fight That is that is going to be bombs away. Yeah.

There is not a doubt in my mind. And I've said this before and I've been wrong, so I'm sorry. That's what I thought when Francis Ngannou fought Derek Lewis. I'm like, there's not a doubt in my mind.

And that was a terrible fight. That was a terrible fight. Yeah. I don't think this is going to be that. I don't think Gaethje is capable of having a terrible fight. That was a terrible fight. I don't think this is going to be that. I don't think Gagey is capable of having a boring fight. And I don't think Chandler is capable of having a boring fight. No. We saw that Francis and Derek, they played it cautious because they were both worried about each other's power.

With good reason. Both guys can knock you into another fucking dimension with one shot. But so can these guys. But I think Gagey fights with such reckless abandon and so intelligent the way he does that. Like in the early days, he used to like wade into the fire and take shots to give shots, but he doesn't do that anymore. Now he sets things up more intelligently. He's got some of the best fucking leg kicks in the business. And he chops at your leg from the clinch.

And then Chandler also has a great wrestling pedigree. Chandler's an excellent wrestler. Legitimate one-punch knockout power. Tremendous experience both in Bellator and in the UFC. And I'm interested to see how he deals with the kind of pressure that Gaethje puts on you. Chandler trains so hard. Like a beast. Like a monster.

And you've trained with him. Yeah. Right? We trained with him in San Diego? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, I still even, that was a hard day. We went really hard.

But I watch him, and he looks as in good shape now as he's ever looked. I think he's ramped it up even more. Well, you know when a guy has a spectacular UFC debut and knocks out a guy like Dan Hooker and then loses a shot at the interim belt, which is like a big opportunity. So close to winning, too. So close to winning the first round. Almost had him. Almost champion. Almost had him.

But then that just shows you how good Oliveira is. Oliveira comes back with a beautiful left hook. Yeah, he did. What a perfect punch. And there's a difference between someone who throws things short and technically, where everything's like hands up high, everything is perfectly placed. Chandler is a wild fucking bull of a man. And he just left himself a little open in that wild, reckless attack. After giving up his neck.

Yep. Oh, I can't believe he got out of that. Crazy. Crazy. I think we're going to see some wild shit. And I don't know what's going to happen. Gagey and Chandler together is chaos. Fireworks.

And that's going to start off the pay-per-view. Can't wait. My goodness. Can't wait. My goodness. Alright. Cam, let's get something to eat. Let's do it. Get the fuck out of here. I'm starving. Goodbye, ladies and gentlemen of the world. We'll see you soon. Bye-bye. Thank you.