The Joe Rogan Experience - #1737 - Tim Pool

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Tim Pool is a journalist, political commentator, and host of the "Timcast" podcast and Youtube program.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Okay, hello, Typhoon. How's it going, man? What's going, buddy? I'm so excited. It's been like a year and a half. Nice to see you. Last night was fucking chaos. You can't have like ten people with microphones in a room in a trailer.

It was good, though, because Alex would just start screaming, ah, if too many people talked at once. So he was acting like, you know, that buffer. Oh, thanks for coming, man. It was fun. It ended up being huge. We had like over a million people watch. Really?

It was a cacophony of crazy voices and I don't know if anyone learned anything, but it was fun. It was just seeing Alex sitting next to Blair White and then you and me and Luke and it was just, it was fun. Just seeing Alex sitting next to Blair White and then you and me and Luke and it was just it was wild. Yeah man. It was very fun.

Yeah but seriously thanks for coming. When it came together accidentally because one by one everyone wanted to come on the show on the same day

I felt bad for Blair White because we had originally booked her and then at the last minute I can't remember who it was probably Luke he was like have you asked Joe?

And I was like, he's got a comedy show. He's too busy. But, you know, if you don't ask, the answer is always no. And then Joe's like, yeah, I'll come by. It'll be great. Yeah, I worked it in. We got in. I had a podcast before then, so we were with my friend Ben,

and we were hammered. So we had been drinking and smoking weed, and we went straight over to there. So it was silly. Right on, man. It was quite silly. So what's going on? Well, we're sitting here waiting for this Rittenhouse verdict, right, which is apparently going to happen today, maybe.

And what's interesting to me is that people are framing this as a race thing. From the beginning. Well, and then many people are realizing now, because they're paying attention to the trial, that he actually shot white people. Yeah. Like there's many people that thought that this Kyle Rittenhouse kid had shot black protesters when in fact it was white Antifa rioters and then if you look at their record they were all criminals like the people he shot they were that's a tough point you know

joseph rosenbaum and i don't know how how graphic you want to get because i do you know this guy's history the first guy who attacked kyle who died you know his history yes i do well go ahead good graphic graphic he anally raped children I believe he anally raped one little boy and he performed oral on several little boys. Apparently, he would try and date single mothers to sexually abuse their children. That was when he was a teenager and then he went to prison. I believe it was for 15 years. Now, the details here get murky. I don't know exactly. They say he got out of a mental hospital that morning. This guy was not Antifa.

He was not Black Lives Matter, at least in my opinion. I think this is a guy who was suicidal. He was screaming, shoot me, N-word, shoot me, N-word, over and over again. He attacked a kid with a gun who was screaming, friendly, friendly, friendly, and running away, and then tried grabbing it. tried grabbing it. And then within point seven three nine of a second, Rittenhouse let off four shots as as as Rosenbaum was reaching for his gun, as testified by Richie McGinnis. And he crumpled to the ground. And that's when these other guys, the whole mob, you know, Kyle runs for the police and then the rest of the mob starts running after him like, get him, cranium that boy, get him, get him, get him. Anthony Hover is an interesting one because he's

the dude who hit him with the skateboard twice people don't know this because you'll hear from the conservatives like oh he was hitting him with the skateboard and you see that photo of rittenhouse on the ground apparently he hit rittenhouse from behind with the skateboard before rittenhouse fell he grabbed the gun rittenhouse fired one shot right into his heart killed him instantly gage grosskreutz the next guy charged at Rittenhouse with a gun in his hand. And you want to know where it gets really crazy? Grosskreutz testified on the stand that he told police and he believed Kyle Rittenhouse said, I'm working with the police as he was running down the street because Gage Grosskreutz was running alongside him.

Grosskreutz runs back, turns around and runs towards him, pulling his Glock 27 out from his waistband. That means Gage Grosskreutz, if he's telling the truth, and he's probably not, believed Kyle Rittenhouse was a police informant or in some way working with cops, so he should draw his Glock 27 on this kid

and run up to him gun drawn. I mean, that's a crazy prospect. That's not someone's- And he's the guy who got shot in the bicep? Shot in the bicep, yeah. This is not a guy who was trying to stop a mass shooter. It's a guy who testified, I was trying to, what, attack a police informant or a cop or something like that?

That's in the trial. Why do you think this has become a race thing? Is it because it was a Black Lives Matter protest? Man, this is crazy. Let's call it what it is. Is it a protest or is it a riot? It's a riot. It's a riot, right?

I mean, it seemed like, I mean, what was the scene? Were they lighting things on fire? Like, what was the scene? Well, so I watched a lot of videos about it, you know, same as many people. But I also interviewed seven different witnesses. We've had them on our show right afterwards and throughout the year. And we have a collection of all this footage from all these guys. I mean, this was a pretty serious riot. When people say like, why did Kyle Rittenhouse come out? Why did he have to have that gun? Well, buildings had been burned down, but there was

a viral video of a guy who looks, I think he's in his seventies. I could be getting the details wrong so you guys can fact check me on this one, but he had like a mattress store that was on fire. And so he rushes to it as people are just running through the store and causing havoc. And he tries to stop them and grab them. And someone goes up behind him with a rock and bashes him over the back of the head, leaving him laying on the ground bleeding out. I remember seeing that video and just being like, holy shit, dude. So you have to imagine, I mean, you're a kid. This guy right now, he wants to be a cop.

He wants to be an EMT. And you hear the police aren't doing anything about it. Literally, the police were just staying far away as things burned. Then you hear that his friend, Nick Smith, was offered money to protect the businesses. So they said, we need to get a crew together to defend these businesses. And Kyle's 17. He had a legal gun. The gun was legal.

The judge ruled this. So explain that, because I thought he wasn't old enough to carry. And Kyle, 17. He had a legal gun. The gun was legal. The judge ruled this. And everybody- So explain that, because I thought he wasn't old enough to carry. He, so in Wisconsin, there's an exemption for rifles and shotguns if you're 16 or 17. It is believed the exemption is so that you can hunt. Right. But it's not specifically about hunting. So open carry is, in Wisconsin, if you're above 18, is that what it is? I don't know about open carry or concealed carry, but the ability to carry a weapon publicly because this is publicly right. Right. And so even though he's 17, there's an exemption that he's allowed to carry that weapon because of the fact that it's a rifle.

It's a rifle greater than, I think, 26 inches. So if he was carrying a pistol, what he was doing was illegal. But since he's carrying a rifle, it's legal. So because people kept saying that he was carrying it illegally because he was 17. So that's not, in fact, true. Not true. And all the legal experts who were being honest about this from the first day this happened immediately came out and said he was legally carrying that rifle. But I guess for the same reason people claimed Kyle Rittenhouse shot black people, they claimed the gun was illegal.

You know, I never heard anybody say that he shot black people, but I think people just assumed that he shot black people. You know what i'm saying i mean i don't think it was i don't think most people are even aware of the details of this case especially the people that are which is really disturbing the people that are commenting on it in the media like joe scarborough got a bunch of wrong fired off 60 rounds i mean he just got a bunch of wrong like so many of the details wrong like he's a professional news guy that's what he does he's on what is the msnbc msnbc morning joe i mean how the fuck does his i mean he must have fact checkers and you want to you want to hear some shit i've i've been watching the trial live stream non-stop from start to finish i've been reporting mostly on covering mostly this and reading legal analysis from a variety of lawyers. There was a moment where it was really,

really bad for the prosecution. One of their star witnesses, one of the men who, Gage Grosskreutz, he's the guy who ran up with the Glock on Kyle Rittenhouse, testified that it wasn't until he advanced on Kyle with his gun pointed at him that Kyle shot him. Right. What did MSNBC report? What did NPR report? That he testified he raised his hands and with his hands up, Kyle shot him. Yeah, what the fuck are they doing?

Are they just lying or are they doing it for ratings? Are they doing it because they're misinformed? What are they doing? I'll try and be as fair as possible. Some have suggested that maybe Gage Grosskreutz said, my hands were up. He did say this, my hands were up. And then they write, Gage Grosskreutz says his hands were up as he was being shot. They sort of just did a bad job. did a bad job. But I don't give these people the benefit of the doubt when, you know, I'm watching this trial, same as everybody else. And within the span of five, 10 minutes, he says it was, you know, the defense asked him, you pointed your gun and then he shot you and Gage goes, correct. If it was a mistake, they could have issued a correction and said, oh, he actually testified. He advanced on him with a gun pointed towards him. Right. So I have to wonder if it's a cult,

it's ideological, it's the refusal to accept you were wrong and to perpetuate the narrative of your groupthink. I don't even know if it's that or if they're just doing that because that's the way they get people to watch and pay attention to reinforce this narrative that would be the most inflammatory and the most outrageous narrative, which is that this guy is just on a rampage and we're going to let him off because he's white. You know what I think? I think over the past several years, these media organizations, they found they made a lot of money hating on, you know, quote unquote, the far right and Donald Trump. And so they embraced that narrative. Yeah. What ends up happening is your core audience who actually wants news eventually grows wise to the fact that you're just spewing out a narrative and they leave. If you have if you have a viewership that's 80 percent, you know, moderate news interested people. And the only thing you say is Trump is bad and the far right is bad. Eventually, you'll lose most of those moderates and retain a very left ideological group. Now, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, that's their core audience. If they come out now and say something honest, like, you know, it looks like Kyle Rittenhouse

was acting in self-defense, they're going to start losing even them and they're not going to get back the people they lied to. That's interesting. So it's almost like they dug themselves into a hole they can't get out of. But to be fair, Chris Hayes did say it's starting to look like an acquittal in all honesty. But to be fair, Chris Hayes did say it's starting to look like an acquittal in all honesty. But is he saying that because the judge is biased and it's wrong? Or is he saying it because we're looking at the actual evidence? Because the actual evidence itself, look, you know, I'm not exactly sure that this is a good thing that, you know, the news lies about all this.

I mean, I think it's terrible, right? it's it's terrible that we can't trust them but i want to know like where is it coming from are they doing it are they being deceptive on purpose or are they misinformed are they like where's it coming is it the producers not understand what the fuck is going on? Did they want to flavor the narrative that they think that their core audience, what you were talking about, the hardcore lefties, are going to want to hear? And that's how they need to capture them? I mean, what are they doing exactly? I think that's it. When I worked for that, and I probably told you this the last time I was here. When I worked for Fusion, the ABC News Univision company, the president of the company said in multiple meetings, we're here to side with the audience.

And I had a private meeting with him where he told me that. He said, you know, we're going to side with the audience and our audience are like young progressives. So we're here to like basically side with them. That's how he framed it. And I asked him, you know, does that mean if there is a factual news story that would be offensive or upsetting to our audience, we won't report it? And he said, yes, I think that's fair. Wow. I take it to a darker place where it's basically like lie and omit.

And I think it's because the guys who run the business, they don't know anything about news. And I'm not trying to – I think it's actually to their defense to say this. A business guy says we need to bring in enough money to pay everyone's salary so they can do this work. People want to hear the news and the news that's important to them. So we make sure we're siding with them and getting the audience what they need and want. But that goes to a dark place when your motive is clicks and revenue instead of passion and principle. I think most of these companies are realizing that with the internet, with new media, there's millions of different news outlets people can choose from. They don't need to choose you. So what CNN, MSNBC, and these other outlets do is they choose their niche market.

They decide this is the audience we're going to side with because we can't side with everybody. You know, if we come out, we say Trump's not that bad. We lose the left. But if we come out, you know, let's just pick one of them. Right. That's what they've done. I feel like the news, like CNN in particular, is just geared for people at the airport. You know what I mean?

They canceled that contract. It's over. Really? Yeah. The CNN airport stuff ended recently. Good. Yeah. It's fucking propaganda.

You know, I never had that opinion of CNN until this whole horse dewormer thing with me. That crazy, right? I was like, you guys are out of your fucking mind yeah not only that it's it's it was so obviously a lie and repeated over and over and over and over again and they kept using the horse term where it's like you know I might I have a heartworm medication for my dog that I got it's a you know just a standard heartworm medication I don't even know why we got it. He didn't have heartworms. I think it was like something we have the preventative that we have just laying around. And I looked at it after all this bullshit was over and I was like, what's in

here? It was ivermectin. Yeah. Ivermectin is in there. I'm like, this is crazy. Like I had no idea that this was laying around. Like I never even purchased it. Someone else in my family purchased it. Did you know that this is true true. There's actually witnesses who have said Brian Stelter was drinking a corrosive battery chemical, a chemical used for cleaning corrosion off batteries. He was actually seen later cleaning a drinking engine coolant. So cold water? Exactly. Exactly, exactly. That's the game they play.

Well, it's not even the game. It's just lying. But the thing about it, what was weird is how coordinated it was and how dumb it was that they were doing it to me. It's like, do you not know that I can say that that's a lie? Do you not know that I have more people listening to me than you do? What are you doing?

They're not scared of getting sued. But it's you doing? They're not scared of getting sued. But it's not even just they're not scared of getting sued. They're not scared of being publicly shamed for being full of shit. Like, it doesn't have any effect on them. Don Lemon is the only dummy that actually commented on it. You know, when Sanjay Gupta was like, actually, we should be clear that it is not a lie, that it's a horse dewormer. And Sanjay Gupta said, that's true. No, that's not what he said.

He said after that, and it's also not cleared for use by the FDA. And he said, that's true. That's what he said. Right. So he tried to talk about it again and talk about the horse dewormer part of it about ivermectin being used for humans. And then Don Lemon steamrolled them. So that's, it's not true. But you did see that

Sanjay wrote in an op-ed, he was scared you were going to jump the table. He was trying to be funny. He's not a fucking socially you know, fluid guy or, you know, he's not he's a fucking neurosurgeon. Yeah, I can respect that. He's a guy that works 100 hours a week and he takes

he actually deals with real patients. He's a really nice guy. Like Sanjay is a very nice guy, takes he's actually deals with real patients he's a really nice guy like sanjay is a very nice guy but he's a little socially naive i would say it's just hard to give give them the benefit of the doubt you know i don't think of him as them i think of him as a medical correspondent he's a legitimate doctor i think he can absolutely be led in a stray and in a bad way especially when you're doing those short clips like when you call in to CNN like he's somewhere remotely looking into a camera there in his ear and then Don Lemon or whoever the fuck else it is is on the other on other line well it's not the same I had the privilege of being uh going through that a mini

saga of what you went through because you helped out when when me and my crew got sick. And it was actually really interesting for me to experience this because I knew they would lie about me. I even in my my like my first video back after I got sick, I was like, you know, I knew the media was going to say it was horse dewormer or whatever. But I actually wasn't like I was actually fairly critical. And I have been always of ivermectin of the I forgot what it's called there's like a contrarian it's a reference to being contrarian where you just believe something is right because the establishment thinks it's it's it's wrong or whatever and the media now still tries to claim that I've been gung-ho on ivermectin when I've actually been either neutral to slightly critical well the the evidence is not negative towards ivermectin, but it is muddy. And the reason why it's muddy is there's not real solid funded studies that make much sense, but they do know that it stops viral replication in vitro. We do know that they treated at least 100, if not 200, Congress people who were sick pre-medicate or pre-vaccine, they treated them with ivermectin. We do know

that in, what is it called, Uttar Pradesh in India, they treated everyone with ivermectin. They handed out ivermectin to all these households as a preventative measure, and they essentially cured COVID in this one country, or it's one state rather in India. Now, there's an interesting point that just came up today. I can't remember the guy's name. It might be Scott Alexander. I'm not sure. And they found a correlation between worms and parasites and curing COVID. So one of the hypotheses for, it's Udhar Pradesh, right? Yeah. People there have a high propensity for parasite infestation. And so if you've got worms and your immune system is being bogged down or strained, you get sick.

You're more likely to die and have a serious reaction. You take ivermectin. You cure those worms. Your immune system is more robust. I'm not saying it discredits everything. No, no, no, no, no. It stops viral replication. It's not as simple as like you don't worms anymore, so your immune system is stronger. Because there's plenty of people that don't have worms that have an immune system that gets wrecked by COVID. What they're showing is that there's a direct correlation between taking ivermectin and having positive results. The problem is so many, like my friend, who was it that went over the, maybe it was Peter Atiyah?

But he was saying that essentially the problem is that the studies were so different. Like some of them were taking it in prophylaxis, so they're taking it as a preventative measure. Some of it were taking it in the early days of the COVID infection. Some of them were taking it in the late days, the COVID infection. But here's the thing. What you took that's undeniable, what I took that's undeniable, is monoclonal antibodies. Yeah.

And this was – when I talked about the stuff that I took, I read off a laundry list of things, and all they concentrated on is ivermectin. And they said I was promoting ivermectin. This is clearly some sort of a campaign to discredit ivermectin. And if you read the critical care, the frontline critical COVID care website, or you can follow their Twitter feed as well, they talk about, and Dr. Pierre Corey has an article about how the FDA, they targeted ivermectin. They actually targeted it as a drug to single out as being ineffective.

While they don't say a goddamn thing about remdesivir. Remdesivir is something that they prescribed for COVID early on that causes kidney failure. Oh. Yeah. You know, I don't like to believe in coordinated campaigns, grand schemes or anything like that. But this is why I was basically bringing it up. Because even right here, I'm like, well, there's a possibility, you know, worms. I'm even somewhat, I'm kind of a middle-of-the-road guy.

I tweeted, monoclonal antibodies saved me, in my opinion. And the NAD Plus, that popped me back up. And what are they writing about? There's a new article where they're like, far-right Tim Pool is the poster boy of ivermectin. But this is why I think- They only do that to get people to click on things. And by the way, you're not, how the fuck are you far right? You're so not, it's such a lie. Make sure that what I'm saying about remdesivir is true because I'm 90% sure that they stopped prescribing remdesivir for COVID. And I believe the problem was people were having kidney problems.

remdesivir for COVID. And I believe the problem was people were having kidney problems. I feel like when I see articles making those claims, it's about discrediting ivermectin. Yeah, exactly. Because even me to say, I think it was the monoclonal antibodies, not ivermectin. And then they write Tim Pool ivermectin. Right. I'm sure everything I took helped. I'm sure the NAD helped. I'm sure the IV vitamins helped. I'm sure the monoclonal antibodies helped. I'm sure the NAD helped. I'm sure the IV vitamins helped. I'm sure the monoclonal antibodies helped. I'm sure all of it helped, but all they concentrated

on was ivermectin. Did you find anything about remdesivir? Lung and kidney damage caused by COVID-19 not antiviral drug. Lungs filling up with fluid and kidney failure are actually side effects of remdesivir. That's the claim.

That's the claim. Okay, claim. Who's it? Where is this from? AP. AP? Yeah. AP's assessment, false. Critical COVID-19, not the drug remdesivir is known to cause fluid in the lungs. Okay, but I read something about remdesivir specifically

causing kidney problems. The problem with all these fucking things is you never know who's full of shit and who's not. But wait, wait, wait. I've never heard that. Okay, go to that. That's a PubMed. There it is. Remdesivir and acute renal failure.

A potential study safety signal from disproportionately analysis of the WHO safety database. Okay, so now we're talking. You want to scroll down to conclusion? So this is a PubMed study. So this is what I'm going to buy into. No conclusion? Just the abstract, huh? Well, so we don't know what it says.

See if you can find something else, Jamie. But I will say I've never heard of renal failure from COVID. That's insane. I mean, if we were talking about covid 19 could kill your kidneys i think people would be freaking out a little bit more maybe it kills kidneys in some people i mean it's it has different reactions in different people some people lose their sense of smell some people don't feel anything from that it's it's it's a fucking weird disease man it's weird oh uh i'll just i won't get too personal in the details but it was the symptoms that i had like my veins felt like they were being stabbed

like every vein in my body was it like i just it's a hard to explain your veins felt like oh yeah this is the worst so look i've had when i had the flu i used to describe it the flu is the worst thing i've ever experienced in terms of an illness. I was 18. I'm sitting on my couch, shaking, shivering pale. I lost 10 pounds in three days. It was bad, the flu. So when I got COVID, it was a Wednesday. I felt fine.

And I didn't know I had it because we had a scare, but we had four negative tests. So we were like, it's probably a cold going around. It's not COVID. And the negative tests you get with those over to the counter kind? Over to the counter. Yeah. Those are wrong a lot. Yep. So the next day, that night I wake up in the middle of the night, drenched in sweat, feeling like I'm getting sick. And I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna be able to work tomorrow.

But it was from zero to 11. From like that Wednesday night, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. So Friday I decided I was going to call a doctor and see if maybe there's something I need to be doing. Maybe I need sunlight, vitamin D, whatever they might recommend for this. And I'm like, look, I'm healthy, 35. There's no way this is going to get me down. And the doctor said, this is where it gets crazy. The doctor said to me, I'll give you the short version. We were talking. They said, look, we don't prescribe anything for this. You can come in for some tests. And I said, is that necessary if you're not going to prescribe anything? And they're like, it's a virus. Go home and go to sleep. I said, I know it's controversial, but, you know, has ivermectin, you know, been something you guys have looked into? And they said ivermectin is what they said to me. Ivermectin has been shown to help many people who have COVID. And then they stopped. And then I said, okay, is that something you guys are prescribing? And they go, well, the FDA has not approved it. And then they stop.

And then I say, oh, so is that something that I have to ask for? Or like, is that something you recommend? And they said, we will not prescribe it to you. And I went, okay, but I'll be honest. I wasn't, like I said, you know, I was like, I don't know if ivermectin is the thing or not. And maybe I should just go home, go to bed. That was Friday by Friday night. It had escalated so dramatically, the pain, the shortness of breath. The, and I was like, it's, it's getting worse. If it gets worse tonight and the nights are when it is the worst, I'm going to be in the hospital. And so that's why I was like, I need to ask somebody like who's experienced this. I hit you up and I was like, I don't know how sick you were. I don't know what ideas you had. Long story short,

because I don't get in too much of the private details for me and my girlfriend and the people who got sick. But the next day I went and got the monoclonal antibodies, NAD and the vitamin drip, went and got the monoclonal antibodies, NAD and the vitamin drip, painkillers and ibuprofen. Like I was on drugs, man. My fever went down. My temperature went to normal. I felt fine. But that night was the worst I have ever experienced any kind of illness. I was hallucinating. I am not exaggerating. I was delirious. I was wandering around in absolute agony. Nine out of 10 in terms of pain. I've had kidney stones before. This is before or after the monoclonal antibodies? So before it kicked in. Right.

This is only a few hours after the entire treatment. So it's in my body, but I haven't yet begun to, you know, it's probably beginning the process. So essentially you got it at the right time. Oh, yeah. Because if you didn't get it then, you were probably going downhill fast. I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep. Yeah.

And I don't know exactly why. I know they say Asians have more ACE2 receptors and I'm part Asian, so that might play a factor. Other people got the sniffles. But when I say I was delirious, I kid you not, like waking dreams, walking around just out of my mind. But at 4 a.m., it was like all of a sudden I wasn't sick anymore. And I'm in my living room and I'm looking around and the NAD kicks in and everything is crystal clear all of a sudden. And I'm like, I almost freaked out how my vision just was HD vision was crazy. And then I sit down on my couch and I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm still sick. I'm still sick.

I feel fine. And so then I lay back. I put on House MD and I start. It's 4 a.m. and I'm like, no, no, no, I'm still sick. I'm still sick. I feel fine. And so then I lay back, I put on house MD and I start, it's 4 a.m. and I'm just awake, fall asleep like a baby. Well, not like a baby because baby's crown night, but like a rock, boom. Wake up in the morning, get up and I'm just like, it's over. I look out the window and I think this is the NAD. I see all the leaves, I see all the trees and I'm like, what the fuck? It's just amazing. It was incredible. Well, I'm glad you called me.

I'm glad we talked about it. I'm glad I gave you the protocol that I followed. I'm glad it worked for you. And it's the same thing that I told Aaron Rodgers. And it's the only time, we talked about this yesterday, but it's true. It's the only time I can ever recall, ever, where a friend can say, Hey, you got this disease that I have it now. What did you do to get better?

And I could say, Oh, I did this, that, and this. And then that's controversial. But you know, it was the best part.

Me telling you what to take and it working is controversial, which is fucking crazy. My girlfriend loves this. Uh, you posted that video from the Australian sketch or whatever of the guy, you know, dying. And she's like, it's an EpiPen. He's like, what's in it? And then he goes, call Joe. loves this. You posted that video from the Australian sketch or whatever of the guy dying and she's like, it's an EpiPen. He's like, what's in it? And then he goes, call Joe! And my girlfriend watches that and she's like,

you called Joe. And I was like, yeah, I did. But you're right. It was a propaganda video on some goofy sketch show where they were saying, what does Joe Rogan think while this guy's dying and not willing to take an EpiPen?

Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, but it was kind of ironic that, you know. But like you said, look, we're friends, and so when I knew you were sick, I knew you had this regiment done or whatever. I was sick for a day. Yeah, man. Literally, I was sick for one day.

For one day, one day. And then I got the monoclonal antibodies and all the IV drips and everything like that. And the next day I felt pretty good. And then two days later, uh, on Wednesday, so I'm sick on Monday. On Wednesday, I made that video that went viral. And then by the time Friday rolled around Thursday, I was getting negative tests on over the counter tests. And then Friday, it was negative on standard tests. I got the treatment on Saturday, but then I didn't take the test until Friday, and I was negative.

So maybe it was earlier. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. But the point is, the next day, I was working out again. I mean, I felt fine. Two days after that, I did 10 rounds in the back. I literally felt fine. Me too.

I caught it early. And also, I did 10 rounds in the bag. Like I literally felt fine. Me too. I caught it early. And also I fucking, I exercise all the time. I work out all the time. I take vitamins every day. I eat well. I watch my health. And that's the difference. And this is something that people, for whatever reason, they want a one-size-fits-all approach to COVID.

Yeah, well, there's actually, I guess, big news on that. The vaccine mandate was just suspended outright by OSHA. Well, it's not legal. Right. It's unconstitutional. So to be able to say, now here's the problem. Joe Biden in his fucking infinite dementia has decided to tell people to ignore that and you should still enforce the mandate. Now, the problem with that is if these companies do that and people get vaccine injured, and they will. Some people will. It's not a large percentage, but some people are going to suffer some sort of a vaccine injury. Those people now will have the door open to sue the company.

Will they, though? Yes, they will. They won't. Listen, they won't have the door open to sue the vaccine manufacturers, but they will have the door open to sue the company. Do you know who Pete Parada is? No. Drummer of The Offspring.

I believe he's their second drummer. He was kicked out of the band. He was fired because he had Guillain-Barre syndrome and could not get the vaccine. Right. So when I was a kid, The Offspring was my favorite band. I can play a bunch of their songs, all their big hits. And Ron Welty was their first drummer. So I'm a fan of this band. And then Pete Parada came in. I think this is in the early 2000s.

And he plays with them for over a decade, almost two decades or however long it's been. I'm not entirely sure when he joined the band. They they fired him because he's medically unable to get a vaccine. And it's like remorseless. And I don't know if you're right. I think part of the problem is the deal that he has with the promoters and the venues. You have to be vaccinated for a lot of these venues. That's what it is. So if he was non-vaccinated, and again, it's not logical. If he's non-vaccinated and he went to these places, they might kick him out and not allow him to perform. Well, New York has-

These are places I can't perform. You know, New York has an exemption for performers. Yeah, I went there. They tried to make an exemption against my exemption, because I went there and I did Madison Square Garden. And then afterwards, a senator introduced a bill specifically with my name attached to it saying people like Joe Rogan should not be able to come into our state and into our city and be unvaccinated and perform in New York City. Wow, man. Fucking twats. So but going back to what Biden was saying with the White House where, you know, it was the deputy press secretary who said, yes, the courts have

suspended this, but proceed anyway. Now, OSHA, I believe it was yesterday, issued an official statement on their website. Due to the Fifth Circuit court ruling putting a stay, we have suspended all implementation and enforcement of the vaccine mandate. Well, they have to. I mean, it's clearly unconstitutional. And then when you take into account the fact that so many people do have natural immunity and that natural immunity is more effective, it's better for you. The CDC was actually forced to admit recently that they do not have recorded cases of some. Now, I'll give you the exact specifics of this. I'll send it to you, Jamie, because it's it's an interesting statement, like what they said.

You know, something like people who've recovered from COVID have never transmitted or something? Yes. They said, but I don't know if that's true, though. See, there's the thing. It's like there's a big difference between something being true and something not being on record. So it says the CDC does not recognize natural immunity. So a lawyer asked them under Freedom of Information Act to provide cases where someone recovered from COVID, got infected again, and then transmitted it. The CDC's response was, we did not find any such case.

But that doesn't mean that that hasn't happened. It just means it hasn't been recorded. Because a lot of these cases are not being recorded. Right. And a lot. I mean, how many people are getting covid and giving it to people? They're not recording that. It's a lot. A lot of them are not recording it. Well, let's talk about some of these facts that come up with the vaccine mandates. We hear a lot that we've always had mandates, which is actually not true. It's a technicality. We have we have mandates at schools for kids, but public school is optional.

You can take your kid to a private school or homeschool, and there's medical and religious exemptions. And they like to cite this ruling from 1905 in the Supreme Court where the Supreme Court ruled that you could mandate someone get a vaccine. But if the penalty was a $5 fine, a guy said, I won't pay it. And they said, harumph. And then they sued him saying he owes us the money for not getting this vaccine. Under the pretext of this ruling, I forget the name of it, they actually said, if the government has the right to mandate medical procedures, we can sterilize invalids. We can sterilize dullards. And they actually, I believe, tens of thousands of women got sterilized under that pretext. So since then, we've been like,

hey, maybe that's not a good idea. The government can mandate a permanent, irreversible medical procedure. What does the vaccine have to do with sterilizing people? Why are they connected? The argument, I guess, was there was a smallpox outbreak in the early 1900s. And it was in Massachusetts. I think it was in Boston. They said, everyone has to get the vaccine for smallpox. And this Swedish guy says, you can't make me do this. They said, well, then we're going to fine you five bucks, which is the equivalent to 150 bucks today. He says, I'm not going to pay it. You can't make me pay it. They sue him. They go to court. The Supreme Court says, you've got to pay the fine. But he was never barred from public accommodation.

He was never kicked out of the, he was just told, if you're not going to do it, you got to pay a few bucks. But under their ruling, it essentially argued medical procedures can be mandated when necessary. I'm not- See, the problem is this vaccine is not really a vaccine. It's only a vaccine by definition. They're calling it a vaccine. It is a gene treatment. And that's why it doesn't last. I mean, it literally only lasts a few months. That's why you have to get boosters. I mean, this is the whole premise behind all the boosters and all this stuff. Literally, the best thing that someone could do is get vaccinated and then get COVID because the vaccine protects you from serious injury, serious damage from COVID, and then you get the sickness,

and then you have the real robust immunity that comes naturally. The fact that natural immunity is superior, but yet it's not recognized in California where you have to vaccine to do everything except go to a grocery store. Now it's in LA. LA is a fucking hot mess right now. It's really bad. Yeah. Austria is crazy. You can't leave your house. Well, if you're unvaccinated. Right. If you're vaccinated, you have full range. It's just coercion. In Slovenia, they're forcing people to get a vaccine if you want to get gas.

You have to show a vaccine card to pump gas. It's all a hustle. But it's all the vaccine companies and the manufacturers influencing these politicians, the politicians then making these decisions based on the influence that these pharmaceutical drug companies have over them, and that's the only reason why they would do this. Otherwise, you could test people for antibodies. We tested you for antibodies today.

It takes 30 seconds. It literally takes 30 seconds. I have a video of me doing it. I guess the question is, which nightmare dystopia is this? Is it 1984 or is it Brave New World? It's a new one. It's a new one that's based entirely on the influence that enormous, enormously profitable pharmaceutical companies have over politicians. You saw that video where it's like the news brought to you by Pfizer. Yeah. I put it on my Instagram.

Did you find anything about remdesivir? Just the same stuff. So that one PubMed article about renal failure. I guarantee you I read something that was talking about high instances of kidney failure due to remdesivir. And they were actually talking about the mechanism involved in kidney failure. And that was one of the reasons why they stopped prescribing it. It was one of the earliest prescribed drugs. I found stuff about that. I found stuff about kidney failure.

But when it comes to the COVID-19 and mixing those things, like adding that to it, nothing was found to be proven. But you found things on kidney failure and remdesivir. Correct. There's even outcomes of COVID-19 among patients with end-stage renal disease on remdesivir. And at the end of this, it says, like, there's no big difference between the people that were on it and the people that were not on it. It's so hard to tell. It is weird that remdesivir kind of fell out of focus because it was a big deal. It not just fell out of focus.

Like, literally, it's been silenced. Like, you don't hear a peep about it. But that was one of the things that Fauci was touting very early on. So isn't a, what do they say? They say ivermectin is a protease inhibitor? Yes. And now Merck, who manufactures large quantities of ivermectin, has announced they have their own protease inhibitor to go to market. Well, Merck was the original inventor of ivermectin.

Merck was the original distributor and the manufacturer of it. But it became a generic drug. That's the problem with ivermectin. Merck was the original distributor and the manufacturer of it, but it became a generic drug. That's the problem with ivermectin. The problem with ivermectin is literally anybody can make it and you make it for like 30 cents a dose. It's not profitable. So the problem is, if you don't have a patent on it and it's not profitable, then there's no incentive whatsoever for these companies to say like, hey, forget about all this billions and billions of dollars that we're making off of this stuff. We got this shit for you that's generic and you can just take it.

That just shows you that this is a for profit endeavor and the amount of profit that's been generated by these pharmaceutical drug companies during this crisis from selling vaccines is fucking crazy, which is why it's terrifying that they're now trying to give it to children. Yeah. And they're trying to say the children need it when they don't. They don't need it. The children, they keep saying 700 children have died from COVID.

The children that have died from COVID, without exception, any that I've read, almost all of them, let's say, let's say that to be safe. Almost all of them had severe comorbidities. They were either they had leukemia, they had cancer, there was something seriously wrong with them, and they died of COVID. They were amazingly obese, whatever it was. It's not a disease that is very dangerous for most healthy young kids. It's not. Did you see that? There's a big scandal where I think it was Walgreens and a few other pharmacies were giving hundreds of children adult-sized doses. Yes. Well, these kids are fucked, you know, because these kids have like serious heart palpitations now. What's that?

It's really hard to know what's true when, and it's, man, we're fucked. The media lies. We know they lie. They lie way too much. If they don't lie, they get things wrong, for sure. Exactly. Now, I look at, when I do my show, I use mainstream media sources all the time, but I have to dig up to like 10 and find the source material.

Where did it come from and do I trust it? It's not easy and the average person can't do it. But, you know, I'm hearing rumors about like all these football players who have had heart incidents or events, they call it. Soccer players. Soccer players. There's a lot of soccer players. Did I say football? You did say football.

Okay. Sorry. I meant European. Yeah. European football. Because it's like an international thing. And someone sent me this viral video of, it's like a collage of all these news reports. I've seen videos like this before. And so I'm like, I don't know if people made these fake stories up. But I Google them and I end up finding the exact articles. And there's a large amount of these soccer players who have just fallen down in the field and been carried out and stuff like that. I don't know what that's from though.

Well, for some people, it causes myocarditis and pericarditis. That's a fact. Do you remember when it started back in January, there was a bunch of the videos of people just falling over In the street in China That's really how this started Whatever the fuck happened to people falling over in the street That never kept happening Maybe but I mean the thing about athletes is more interesting

Because these athletes obviously are in Tip top magoo shape and then they're running around Well if you're doing a soccer player What? That's what I'm saying No I know but soccer players are known for faking injuries and getting carried off. No, no, no. You could smash cut.

You could edit videos to look weird. No, but Jamie, they're falling down as they're running. They're collapsing. They're having heart attacks. They're taking them to the hospital. This is not speculation. And there's a better example. There's a professional mountain biker, I think.

Have you heard of this story? He made an Instagram video saying that he got pericarditis from the vaccine and it ended his career. And then he got attacked so relentlessly for that. He made a video crying. I don't want to I think he was saying that he became suicidal because everyone hates him. His career is over. There's no recovery from this. That's the weird thing is like there's so many nutty people that are just so pro-vaccine that, I mean, they went after Eric Clapton for talking about his vaccine injury and calling him a vile anti-vaxxer in the LA Times. He is vaccinated. Yeah.

He got vaccinated and he took both doses. He had a bad reaction to the first dose and he had a horrible reaction to the second dose. And just him talking about it made the LA Times write a horrible article about him. What's up with the media? That's how they make money. They know that people are scared, especially in LA. There's so many people that are terrified that if you say something that is anti the narrative, when the narrative is vaccines are safe and effective safe and effective safe and effective for the most part yeah for the most part yeah but a certain percentage of the

people that take them get like a serious heart problem that's a that's a real here's my idea here's what i tell people if you work for a company that mandates the vaccine get a simple legal letter drafted that says you know know, I undersigned, assume all liability for this permanent and irreversible medical procedure as a requirement of the job of, you know, employee, see if they'll sign it. Because I assure you, those employers are going to say, I'm not going to sign that. They'll fire you. They'll fire you. And then you have to go through court. And right now, I mean, especially if you go to a liberal court, there's so many people that they're so connected to that narrative.

The narrative is the vaccines are safe and effective, and if you don't agree with the vaccine, you're an anti-vaxxer. They've even changed the definition of what an anti-vaxxer is to someone who's against mandates. That's right. And they also, well, the CDC changed the definition of vaccine too, right? Yeah. That means you and I are vaccinated. Really? Yep. When did they change that? No, they didn't. Yeah, the CDC has an article that says

a vaccination is, it used to say something like, it was very specific to the adenovirus vaccines, where a small weakened or, you know, dead virus is introduced. Now it says it's a chemical that triggers an immune response or something to this effect. Fact check me for sure, for sure. But my understanding... They don't say that we're vaccinated, dude. Well, I know literally, but the monoclonal antibodies, according to a study, I think the CDC confirmed this, is eight months of protection at 82% efficacy. And that's actually better than Pfizer and Moderna. So if they effectively do the same thing, because that's how they describe a vaccine, then why can't they stand vaccinated?

Well, you know, they're doing that to people, what you're saying. They're doing that to people who did not test positive for COVID. So imagine you're in a high-risk job, but they can give you the monoclonal antibodies with no COVID in your system at all, and then you have this immense protection. You are correct. That's right. So if you had it and then got it, you've got super immunity, I guess. Right. Exactly. That's the idea. Why can't I say? Because it's not a real narrative.

It's a bullshit narrative. It's not based on objective analysis of the information that's at hand. It's based on you got to take the vaccine because they're influencing politicians. They're influencing all these people. They're influencing the media. When brought to you by Pfizer, the idea that that doesn't have any impact whatsoever and the way they talk about the news is fucking absurd. And that's why they don't care if you have better protection naturally. It's a binary approach. You must take the vaccine.

One of my biggest pet peeves, I guess, is because, you know, on my show, for instance, we have this argument all the time about efficacy and vaccines and stuff. And I got to a point where I was like, yo, are we going to actually debate the policy, the politics? Because I can tell you this. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. I can't tell you the nitty gritty details of enzyme and protease.

And these, these are words I read in an article, but I am a, I think fair to say an expert on being free. You know, I mean, that's somewhat facetiously, but if we're going to talk about how we handle this, I think it's simple. The government can't mandate medical procedures. Have a nice day. We get into these arguments often, and I think it's good to discuss efficacy. It's good to discuss the vaccine injury and all this stuff. Absolutely. But I also think it's important to bring back, hey, how about I don't care if it's a flu shot, an appendectomy or a COVID vaccine. The government should not mandate as a requirement for public accommodation. You undergo an irreversible medical procedure, especially when it's someone like Fauci, who's somehow or another tied into these companies. It's not as simple as this guy has no one influencing him. It's not the case. And also with Gates,

the fact that Bill Gates is prominently featured in the news talking constantly about vaccines. featured in the news talking constantly about vaccines. You want to flip your shit? In June of 2021, the FDA approved a drug to help treat weaponized smallpox. On November 9th of 2021, Bill Gates warned of smallpox terror attacks. And just the other day, the FBI found vials labeled smallpox at a lab in Philadelphia with another group of vials that said vaccinia. The only smallpox that exists at the CDC in deep freeze and in Russia. So this triggered a lockdown at the laboratory. No one knows so far. They don't know what's in the vials.

Is it actually smallpox? But why is it smallpox? the vials is it actually smallpox but why is it smallpox yeah so i don't i i i i you know when when the fda approves a drug to treat weaponized smallpox you have to ask yourself why they fear smallpox if it's been eradicated and only exists in in government facilities in russia and u.s and why is bill gates warning about smallpox terrorism right then yeah it's been only a few days after bill gates said this, they find vials labeled smallpox. Yeah, it's real sketchy. Could be nothing, but it's sketchy.

Bill Gates also invested, I believe it was $50 million in bio- and tech September 2019. September 2019. So he invested a large sum of money in the company that manufactures these vaccines literally when the pandemic broke out in Wuhan. Like when the first cases were seen in Wuhan, they believe they'd narrow that down to September of 2019. That is specifically when Bill Gates dumped a bunch of money in there. BioNTech announces new collaborations develop HIV and tuberculosis programs. So $100 million in total funding. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation invests $55 million in infectious disease collaboration that could reach up to $100 million in total funding. And they did that in September right before the shit hit the fan.

Now, does that mean that he had information that there was a breakout? No. But look, they did discuss this. And Fauci was seen discussing these things. I'll send you a video, Jamie, so I don't, because I'm talking out of my ass right now. But that they were talking about, like, trying to find new ways to encourage people

to take flu vaccines. And they need some sort of a novel approach to do that. University of Denver has mandated the flu vaccine. University of Denver has. I believe, I believe we, yeah, we, we had an article published on my site about it. I think that's the obvious next step, you know, that universities mandated, but I think they're already doing that. No, I just mean that if you can mandate COVID vaccines, you can mandate all of them. Yes. Yeah. I mean,

I think that's, that's, that's where the profit lies, right? In mandating vaccines. Because if you have 100 million people and you have 100 million doses of vaccine and you force these people to take that, that's just sheer profit. It's fucking crazy, man. It's a lot. It's pretty wild, man. I mean, it really is. It's weird to watch it all happen. Do you hear about the research the NIAID was funding on the beagles? Yes, I did. It's weird to watch it all happen. Do you hear about the research the NIAID was funding on the beagles? Yes, I did. It's horrible. So actually, self-promotion, we just published an exclusive on TimCast.com. Fauci had been funding, or I should say the NIAID has been funding maximum pain research on primates in, I believe it's an island off South Carolina, where they basically

induce as much pain as possible to see how these animals react. And we're getting these stories, you know, we published this, you have the beagle story, but there is a very serious question about the limitations of science, like the ethics of it. The thing is, we have greatly benefited from animal experimentation to a horrifying degree and like as what we do to these animals. And a lot of people are happy to just live their lives and not knowing anything about it. I wonder what impact it will have now that we're discovering pain research and bot fly research on beagles or whatever. Is that going to result in people actually saying, you know, we would rather have less scientific progress on these things if it means we're not torturing animals to this degree well the thing is there's not a lot of oversight so people don't hear about it you know that's

that's the the problem here i'm gonna i found it i'm gonna send this to you jamie the the problem is it's like who is who's informing people of all these these experiments while they're happening? Very few people are actually getting informed of them. You find out later. Someone has to be a whistleblower. But meanwhile, the studies are ongoing. So it's not like there's clear oversight and it's not like the public gets to vote on what they think is ethical or what they don't think is ethical. When they think that studies need to be done in order to prevent some sort of an outbreak

or save people from something, and then they do these studies, whether it's on primates or beagles or whatever, you really don't hear about it until after it's happened. Right, or, I mean, to be honest, you never hear about it, you just benefit from the research. Watch this video, because this is kind of crazy. Why don't we blow this system up?

I mean, obviously we can't just turn off the spigot on the system we have and then say, hey, everyone in the world should get this new vaccine we haven't given to anyone. This is universal flu vaccine they're talking about. There must be some way that we grow vaccines mostly in eggs the way we did in 1947. did in 1947. In order to make the transition from getting out of the tried and true egg growing, which we know gives us results that can be, you know, beneficial. I mean, we've done well with that to something that has to be much better. You have to prove that this works and then you've got to go through all of the clinical trials, phase ones, phase twos, phase three, and then you've got to go through all of the clinical trials phase ones phase twos phase three and then show that this particular product is going to be good over a period of years that alone if it works perfectly is going to

take a decade there might be a need or even an urgent call for an entity of excitement out there that's completely disruptive, that's not beholden to bureaucratic strings and processes. So we really do have a problem of how the world perceives influenza, and it's gonna be very difficult to change that unless you do it from within and say,

I don't care what your perception is, we're gonna address the problem in a disruptive way and in an iterative way, because you do need both. But it is not too crazy to think that an outbreak of a novel avian virus could occur in China somewhere. We could get the RNA sequence from that, beam it to a number of regional centers, if not local, if not even in your home at some point, and print those vaccines on a patch and self-admit.

You want to hear some shit? The second guy speaking, Rick Bright, he was the, I think it's a director of BARDA. BARDA is who made the weaponized smallpox drug. Jesus Christ. It's the weaponized smallpox drug. Jesus Christ. It's the way that guy's talking. The way these guys talk about trying to trick people into or convince people into taking these things and to be disruptive and to say, you know, we're going to. I mean, it's just the admission that to do it correctly takes 10 years. Yep.

That's why the emergency use authorization was required to get this vaccine promoted so quickly. In any other circumstance, something that's this controversial, and then also something that has caused this many deaths, would have been pulled off the market. If there's any other pharmaceutical drug that killed, I mean, what does the VAERS report say currently? What's the number of deaths that are attributed to the vaccine today, currently? I've heard 17,000, but I don't know if that's true. Well, let's find out. What's the number of injured, the number of deaths, the number of people with myocarditis, all that stuff is recorded. Now, it's underreported. What is the number that it's underreported? We don't know.

And then there's also people can report things that aren't totally accurate. So we need to find out what's the accuracy, even though it's reported. Is it true? I don't know. The one thing to consider is what i call the scaling problem if we give out 330 million vaccines and 17 000 people die it sounds like a decently high percentage to be like holy shit like maybe we shouldn't do that but if we give out you know 200 million vaccines well like if but less potentially thousand people die right right so the way the way i usually is if, if, if you give out a hundred smartphones to a bunch of celebrities and 1% fail, one celebrity says my phone broke, nobody bats

an eye. You give out a hundred million smartphones and 1% fail the same margin of error. You now have a million people online posting how their phones are broken and people will perceive that as a very serious threat or the product is not good. Right. So it's hard when 330 million doses, and now that the boosters, it's going to be 400 million. Right. And then they also feel like with some people, the boosters will compound the potential negative side effects.

Have you heard? I mean, everybody, all these lefties are posting that the booster shot was the worst they've experienced yet. Yeah. I like how you say lefties because you're a far right guy. Because I'm far right. Well, I mean, right wingers. You shouldn't even say that. Well, but look, like I'll say, you know, the right says this, the left says this.

But, you know, I have. What are you? What do you consider yourself? You know, you want to know my real politics. I want to know your fake politics. My fake politics are um i'm an astronaut i mean no uh like my actual core ideals when i say real politics like when it comes to policy which we don't discuss that often i'm decently far left and that's what's ridiculous about them

calling you far right but far right and left like what do they even mean i guess it's just talking points so that people can get people to click on things because it makes you look like an asshole. So if they say far right podcaster Tim Pool is the new poster boy for ivermectin, that's like, oh, what an asshole. Let me click on this guy's shit. I can actually break down my politics. I believe in the truth. I think the establishment is trash. I think the Republican Party is trash as much as Democrats, but populists got their foot in the door more so than the left populists got in the Democratic Party. But I can give you a really good example of how like my sort of like more lefty view of things in terms of economics. Dave Rubin, he had Locals and they sold to Rumble recently. Did you hear about this? No.

So Locals was started by Dave Rubin and I'll probably get some of the details wrong. So but, you know, because I'm not trying to get it wrong to disparage Dave or anything, but Patreon bans a bunch of people and abruptly. And it scares people because Patreon is where podcasters and personalities get subscription revenue to live their lives. So Dave announces he's starting his own version, which will, you know, you'll control your data and you'll control your rules. Yeah. Bridget Phetasy's on it. Right. Michael Malice and Tulsi Gabbard. A lot of people sign up for this and use this service, same as they would Patreon. Dave Rubin sold the company to Rumble, which is the video platform. I like Rumble. I like locals. However, that made me angry.

And I had a, we did a segment on this on my show where we discussed the politics of what Dave Rubin did. Why did it make you angry? I fully respect enterprise, free market capitalism, and that Dave's perspective was, if people need a service, I will provide it and make myself some money and sell it. So what's the problem? I'm a lefty. I believe that the immediate approach should have been, when this problem occurred and people were getting censored, a decentralized technology that is uncensorable that we give to the people for free. I understand it's not easy just to make free things, but my immediate reaction was to start a nonprofit, which we have called the On Foundation, where we have been building out a decentralized open source networking technology. a decentralized open source networking technology. We will give you the program to install on your own server or a hosted server, whatever you want to do.

You press enter and boom, you have your own subscription website instantly. We are streamlining it for free because I look at it like if the powers that be in the elites can control our thoughts and control what we have to say, creating a new Patreon won't solve that problem. Right, but isn't Rumble committed to free speech?

That is basically the premise of their platform. And then they sell to whatever company or the leadership changes. If they do that. I like Rumble. I use Rumble. But the issue I see here is there is a weakness that can strip away the rights of the people through private centralization of these platforms. And so my view as someone who leans more towards decentralized authority and it's more of a lefty position is I'm not going to profit off of the fact that people are having their ideas and they're censored.

Is decentralization a lefty opinion? Because it seems like an opinion of people that just don't want to be controlled by any kind of corporations. Decentralization absolutely exists on the right if you're like an anarcho people that just don't want to be controlled by any kind of corporations. There is a decentralization absolutely exists on the right. If you're like an anarcho-capitalist or libertarian, you believe in free market solutions. So it's not fair to say, you know, like universally just like, oh, the left is more for decentralization, but it's more so like a, I believe all of the people should hold in their hands the keys to the software to never be censored versus a private enterprise can make it and then sell it. So that's more of like, yeah, we had a big conversation.

Look, all due respect to Locals and to Rumble because I think it's absolutely phenomenal they exist. The competition is very important. But for me, I'm like in 10 years and 15 years and 20 years, the same problems will exist. But for me, I'm like, in 10 years, in 15 years, in 20 years, the same problems will exist. And I'll be completely honest. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I firmly believe Dave Rubin on Locals would absolutely ban. There's probably 100 names I could say off. I'm not going to say he would ban them in two seconds.

Why? White nationalists. I don't believe Dave Rubin would allow white nationalists to profit off of Locals. He would get annihilated in the press, and then he'd have to intervene in some way. Investors, he's got, I'm assuming he has investors. I believe he got a big round of funding. You think these investors, wherever they're from, are going to be like, we appreciate that the white nationalists have found a new home base on his platform. Is that the slippery slope? Because when the ACLU was established, one of the things that they did initially was to defend Nazis and the ability that Nazis have for free speech. And that was a big controversial point because a lot of people were like,

why would you ever defend Nazis? And their position is that we are not defending Nazis' position. We are defending their ability to speak because if you do not defend their ability to have free speech, then it will not be available to everybody else as well. You'll find a way. You can find exceptions and exemptions. You'll find a way to limit free speech across the board. And we're seeing that. I agree 100%.

And that was back when we had the American Civil Liberties Union, which unfortunately today is the anti-civil liberties union. They're weird now, right? Some of the things that they support, like I read about it on Twitter. You're like, what are you saying? They did just defend James O'Keefe though. And that is great. And I respect that. Yeah. The James O'Keefe thing is fascinating, right? So there's a diary apparently that's missing and it's Joee biden's daughter's diary and in that daughter diary she has some depictions of abuse and she has some weird thing about her dad right and this diary went missing so they've decided somehow or another that the project veritas people own it they have the possession of it i got i got a dark conspiracy theory on this one.

But hold on. So they break into James O'Keefe's house early in the morning and, you know, like full on FBI raid and they go through all of his information and take his phones and they don't find it. They don't find the diary. But since when has that been something that the FBI does? James O'Keefe says that he gave the diary to law enforcement, that they couldn't vet it. It was provided to them by someone who claims they had it. They sold it. You know, they were looking to sell it. James got it, went through it and said, we're going to give to the police. The FBI raids the homes of several Veritas journalists, including James O'Keefe himself. And then almost immediately after the raids, the New York Times called the journalists for comment on getting raided, meaning someone who knew the raid happened, slipped it to the New York Times.

Yeah. Then privileged communications between Veritas and their lawyers were somehow leaked to the New York Times. Most people believe, and it is alleged, that the FBI has been leaking legal communications. This is beyond serious. To the New York Times, Veritas is in a lawsuit with the New York Times, and they've been winning and doing very well against New York Times for defamation. Now, all of a sudden, the New York Times has access to Veritas' lawyers' emails, emails between them and their lawyers. How do you handle a lawsuit like that now? I mean, this was the- When you say they've been winning,

like how have they been winning? It's very difficult to get beyond a motion to dismiss in a defamation case, especially when you're a high profile public figure. The judge sided with Veritas and they moved past, they denied a motion to dismiss. So it's actually moving forward, meaning they move to discovery next, where they get to take New York Times journalists, sit them down under oath and have them answer questions on camera and in front of

lawyers. The New York Times filed a stay to temporarily halt that process. And a judge agreed, said, OK, we're going to stay the discovery and we're going to postpone this. Then the FBI raids Veritas and gives Veritas' legal communications to The New York Times. So it is alleged. Most people think that's the case. But, you know, for fairness, so it is alleged. This is one of the most this is one of most terrifying things I've ever heard happen in this country for law enforcement to do. things I've ever heard happen in this country for law enforcement to do, but I think it's worse than this. In October, at the end of October, an FBI whistleblower sent evidence that Merrick Garland and the DOJ were targeting parents concerned about critical race theory using counter-terror tactics. So this is a whistleblower at the FBI. We also know from the leaked communications that James

O'Keefe was currently investigating. You just glossed over that. Go back. Go back. At the end of October, a whistleblower within the FBI leaked communications to Republican members of Congress that Merrick Garland, the AG, the Department of Justice, was using counterterror tactics to target parents who are concerned about critical race theory. Why would they do that? What's the motivation behind that? Well, they say it's because school board members and teachers have been intimidated and threatened because parents don't like the woke critical race theory stuff in schools.

And I think those threats and any threats are bad. Using counterterror tactics. This is confirmed. And Kevin McCarthy, by the way, not a fan, issued a letter saying like, we want Merrick Garland under oath back in front of Congress because he lied because he said they weren't using counterterror tactics on parents. What are these tactics specifically? Labeling people under specific terror terms in their databases to start. There was a letter issued that basically referred, first it was a letter issued that said the parents who are going to these meetings and who are protesting the stuff are committing like low-grade terrorism or something to that effect. But do we know if there's something, some specific allegations or accusations outside of them just going to these board meetings? Is it possible that these parents are threatening these teachers in some sort of a...

Yes. Yeah, there have been videos of parents walking up to cars and screaming, you MF-er, you know, all that stuff. So like I said, look, threats are bad. Don't intimidate, don't threaten people. But the use of counter-terror tactics on American citizens is alarming. Now, I'm not trying to hash that whole debate. This is about James O'Keefe. The New York Times made reference to the fact that James O'Keefe was conducting investigations into the FBI and the legal communications in question they got access to was James O'Keefe's, his team, asking the lawyers, to what extent are we allowed to secretly record federal law enforcement? And they said, woof, dangerous territory. So I'm just speculating. But if you

have an FBI whistleblower leaking to the Republicans, is it possible that when James O'Keefe and Veritas said we we want federal law enforcement whistleblowers and are investigating that the FBI's true reason for raiding Veritas was because they knew a whistleblower was leaking key details that they didn't want the public to have, but they didn't know what Veritas had on them. So they use the Ashley Biden diary as a pretext because it makes no sense. OK, the fact that the ACLU is other free Trevor Tim of Free Press, that they're going to come out and say, what is the FBI doing to rate a journalist over a journalistic activity? I'm not saying I know for sure.

Not a big fan of strong conclusions. That does make more sense, right? That that would be a way they could find out what they had on them. So a false premise for investigation. And it's just speculation, man. But it's the timing is rather perfect, I think. I would imagine that O'Keefe thinks in 4D chess that he's probably prepared for something like this to happen. I can't imagine that they just lay around thinking the FBI is never going to raid them. I agree.

Or that some intelligence agency is never going to raid them. I mean, they're a strange organization, right? What do you think? What do you think about them? Well, I mean, they're a strange organization in that so many people hate them and so many people are willing to throw out the idea of protections against journalists because they say these are not journalists. You know, like Glenn Greenwald had a very interesting piece on that recently where he was talking about how the same arguments that they use with James O'Keefe, regardless of whether or not you like James O'Keefe or appreciate Project Veritas or

whatever, the same arguments that we're using with Julian Assange, the same arguments they're using with Edward Snowden and with Glenn Greenwald as well, and many other journalists that they decide they don't like their conclusions or they don't like their perspective. And with James O'Keefe, James O'Keefe is clearly a right-wing guy and he's coming at this from a right-wing perspective. And I feel like if someone had been doing the same thing from a left-wing perspective and exposing like real problems like some of the problems that he's exposed are absolutely real problems like a shadow banning on twitter censoring of conservative thought like all the stuff that they do the epstein case like explain what he what he found out about epstein he published published a video of, I think her name's Amy Rohrbach of ABC News,

caught on a hot camera saying we had the Epstein story three years ago and they shut us down. We had witnesses. Yeah, and think about all these people that are like, the guy from Reuters, no, what's the guy from? Somebody just had a step down.

God, I'm going to say he's like a casino guy or something. But there's more than 100 emails, private emails, back and forth. I don't know. To Epstein. God damn it. Mike Cernovich and the Miami Herald did a lot of work exposing and basically kicking off that whole Epstein thing.

But Veritas exposing how ABC News shut down the story. Barclays, that's right. What is Barclays? It's a bank. Okay. I'm pretty sure it's a bank. I think it's a casino. Sounds like a casino.

So this guy, put it up again, Jamie? It actually said you could just close that little thing that was blocking it. I think it said continue without. Eric goes, Barclays CEO steps down after epstein probe latest financier to lose job over ties so this guy there's private emails that back and forth with him and they were but but but i want you to google the private emails because some of them were fucking creepy. They had references to Snow White. See if they talked about some of the details that were in the private emails. Like what a crazy situation. This is what's really crazy about it. And this goes back to

my love of Alex Jones, where people get angry, like, why do you associate with that guy? Alex Jones told me about this over a decade ago. He goes, this is the way they compromise them. They take them, they take these guys who are basically nerds, and they bring them to an island. They go, hey, we got all these hot girls, and they photograph them with them, and they have sex with them, and they find out later they're underage. They have videotape. What happened? Oh, autoplay. photograph them with them and they have sex with them and they find out later they're underage. They have videotape. What happened? Oh, autoplay.

And they say that, you know, we have evidence and this and that. And I was like, really? There's a fucking island? My God, it sounds so cliche. It sounds so James Bond. You know, they take them to Fuck Island and they get videotape of them banging girls. But if you think about it, if you're a wealthy guy like Bill Gates Okay, who's now? divorced because of all this shit right divorce because of his ties to Epstein and

He's apparently got enough influence. They're kind of letting him slide off of this investigation you're not hearing a lot of talk about it, but when you're a guy like that and you're married in particular, like how do you – if you're a freak and you want to bang girls, like how do you do it? You can't. You literally can't. So if you're a guy also that is a really wealthy guy and you enjoy all this power and you enjoy all this influence and you're so much different than regular people. You're on yachts and you're hanging around with the global elite and they just have girls come up to you and start talking to you. You're probably like, well, this is like part of the privilege of my job. Part of the privilege of who I am as this guy worth a hundred billion dollars

that, you know, people will come up to me and we're all drinking champagne together and this guy Epstein assures me everything's fine. We've got this all worked out. And he's not a paranoid guy. He probably has a couple of cocktails in him. And the next thing you know, they got a videotape on him. Yeah. And that's what they did.

They did it to Clinton. They did it to everybody. He flew 26 fucking times with Bill Clinton. 26 fucking times. I had a tweet when Epstein stuff was coming out with the documents out of the Miami Herald in Mike Cernovich's case. And I said, you know, Bill Clinton flew on this plane. Someone screenshot it, put it on Facebook. And one of these fact checkers claimed it was fake news. So it deranks. You can't see it. Yep. And the funny thing is there was there's a link when they do these Facebook fact checks.

When you click it, basically the fact check confirmed everything I said about Bill Clinton on the plane was true. They just added at the end, but we think his framing is not contextually correct. So we're going to call it false. How is the framing not contextually correct? Either you get on the fucking plane or you not contextually correct you get on the fucking plane or you don't did you get on the plane with the pedophile you did was it the pedophiles plane it was did you know he was a convicted pedophile you did interesting and mr gates would you like to explain like imagine but we see this this with the fact checkers on Facebook.

They're basically the censors, not the fact checkers. Right. Well, it's also like who's doing it. You know, we were talking about this yesterday, I believe, that guys from gun manufacturers were talking to me about how during the election, people started going through their pages and pulling things from eight, nine years ago and banning them, just banning them. Because they were worried that a lot of these, whether it's gun manufacturers or very influential right-wing groups, could have an effect on voting. So even if they have an effect, like say if there's a gun manufacturer or some sort of a big right-wing site that has a million followers or a half a

million followers. And then they put out something that impacts someone who's on the fence. Like, maybe there's a guy who's kind of centrist, but he believes in some right-wing thing, so he follows a few right-wing people. Maybe he's right-curious, right? And so then you'll find out something about the Hillary Clinton death count or something like that. He's like, that's it. I'm fucking voting. So if you can just cut those people out of the mix, you've got a few thousand votes here, a few thousand votes there. And overall, it stacks up. It stacks up and it means something.

And this is what they did. They needed to ban Alex Jones. He was way too influential. Trump was not an establishment player for all the good and bad, and Alex was massively supporting the guy. They didn't care about him. Oh, Trump was certainly an establishment player. I mean, he was an establishment player in terms of the left and the right dynamic that we're accustomed to, but in terms of being a big name that the public was aware of.

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. I just mean the establishment political structure. Yeah. He was a billionaire. No, yeah, you're right. I just mean the establishment political structure. He was a billionaire. He was a TV mogul. He was a celebrity. He is still one of the massive, powerful elites, but he came from outside the political infrastructure where they kind of control things, where you play ball, where they have the super PACs, and he steamrolls through it. Yeah, and he might do it again. I hope he doesn't. Well, it's either him or it's gonna be someone who is more moderate Republican like Ron DeSantis

I think the DeSantis like when you look at what happened in Virginia how they won Virginia with a Republican that's like a reasonable person and then that woman the crazy thing was like calling that woman Who's the lieutenant governor the the black woman calling her the they were calling her they were saying that when white supremacy voices come out of black mouths i was like what the fuck remember larry elder oh my god the black face of white supremacy it's clayton bigsby coming to life they keep saying this it is such a crazy thing to say and they're what they're doing inadvertently is they're diminishing the distinction of someone being a white supremacist. By saying that, like there's real white supremacists out there. There's real racist people that think we should have an all-white country.

They're out of their fucking mind and they're real. Those are real people. That's a real white supremacist. There's real people that think that someone is better or worse based on the amount of melanin in their skin and based on the geography where their ancestors came from. It's fucking crazy. But it's not that lady that's the lieutenant governor. It's not her. Are you out of your fucking mind?

She's black. But because she's sponsored by the NRA and because she's a pro-Second Amendment woman. I mean, I don't know what other reasons they have to say that this lady supports white supremacist ideas, but it's so crazy. It's very clear that what the official narrative on white supremacy is, the phrase is they're trying to interchange liberty or classical liberalism with white supremacy. Right, right. So keeping and bearing arms. Right. You know that, I mean, our gun rights have expanded dramatically over the past several

decades. If you look at a map from 1986, almost no states issued concealed carry. Like a good portion of the states were like, maybe we will. A lot of them said, no, we won't. Today, a good majority of the states are constitutional carry. This is an issue of freedom. A good majority? Yeah. What percentage of those states are constitutional carry? Constitutional carry means that you could have a concealed carry weapon and you don't have to go through courses. You don't have to do anything. I know Texas has that. I will clarify. Maybe a good majority was a bit hyperbolic, but if you can pull up the-

It's only 13, buddy. Okay, so I'm definitely wrong about a good majority. But I guess it's because when you look at the map, it's the big empty states that take up a lot of space that are constitutional carry. But it's growing. It's getting more and more. It's getting larger. But let me- I'll correct this, too.

They're actually giving out concealed carry permits in Los Angeles now. Whoa! Which they never were doing before. Let me, I'll correct this. They're actually giving out concealed carry permits in Los Angeles now. Whoa. Which they never were doing before. And the sheriff has said very specifically that the reason why they're doing it is a large uptick in crime and the defunding of the police department. And the fact that it's not just the defunding of it, but they've declawed the police department. They've taken away their ability to enforce these laws and regulations. I'll tone down what I said and correct. I think we're looking at

shall issue states. So you have, I think the majority of states, and again, maybe wrong, but are shall issue or constitutional carry. Shall issue states mean if you apply, they have to give it to you. You look at a place like Hawaii, New Jersey, and parts of New York, and they claim their may, where they'll decide, but they're actually called, in practice, no issue. Well, I know people who've gotten concealed carry permits in New York City. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not no issue? No, no, not New York, parts of New York.

I think like Long Island and parts of New York. But I think New York City is the hardest place to get it. I think New Jersey is. Harder than New York? Yes. Really? Yeah. And it's because New York as a state actually has a lot of open rural space. And New York City is very, very, very difficult. That's where the Supreme Court lawsuit is coming into play now because the lawsuit is, I have a right to bear arms. You can't deny me. New Jersey as a whole. Well, hold on. I think the Supreme Court case has to do with people from New York State who have a concealed carry permit and the fact that it's denied in New York City.

And that it's instead of a state issue, it's a, yes. Let's find out if that's the case. I'm pretty sure that what's going on in New York State is there's some sort of a lawsuit about people that have a concealed carry permit in the state. So people from like, say, Rochester or maybe even a more rural area that they can't carry in the city. I know there was a lawsuit where they basically said the idea of May issue is where you apply. And they say, give me a good reason why you need a gun. And if you don't have a good reason, as we decide, we will not give it to you. I know there was a lawsuit about that saying, I have a right to keep and bear arms.

So if I apply, you have to give it to me. Maybe we're talking about two different cases. I think we are. about two different cases? I think we are. I think we're talking about what I had heard was that there was a case from upstate New York where people were trying to figure out why their concealed carry in upstate New York does not work in the city. That's actually a really good point. Yeah, because it's a state issue. Like, how can it be a city issue? But how will that impact the rest of the country in the Supreme Court? The fucking city of New York

is gone. I mean, it's gone until this gentleman who won the mayor, Eric Abrams, right? Adams, right. Adams, excuse me. Adams, who is a Democrat,

but yet very pro-police and very tough on crime, which is what that city needs. Because that city is probably, things would have to go really sideways before they elected a Republican. Quickly digging through this. This is for the state,

and then when I look at Sullivan's Law, it doesn't say that it applies to the city. Go back to that, please. Okay. So it says, U.S. Supreme Court malls overturning New York's concealed carry gun law. Yeah, this is it.

Can you scroll down a little bit and see? This one might be... Yeah, this is the May issue case. You need proper cause to get a permit, which means they can just tell you, no, you can't bear arms. But this is just for the state. Right. So according to what Sullivan's law is, it says in the city, that's the licensing authority is the police department. Not.

Which rarely issues concealed carry licenses to anyone except retired police officers or those who can describe by the nature of their employment, for example, a diamond merchant who regularly carries gemstones or a district attorney who regularly prosecutes dangerous criminals requires carry of concealed handgun. My friend who got a concealed carry in New York is a celebrity. That makes sense. And he got one. That's what it was not easy. It took years for him to get it. When I was in New Jersey, I went to the police station like we had a guy, a pedophile tried to break into the house.

And, you know, in the middle of the night, I wake up, I hear rustling and I got no guns. And I the police come. Cop tells me if it were me, I answer the door with a shotgun. And I'm like, well, I don't got one. Go to the police department. They gave me, if it were me, I'd answer the door with a shotgun, and I'm like, well, I don't got one. Go to the police department, they gave me bullshit information on how to get a gun. So a few months go by of me confused, like what the fuck is going on, until finally I figured it out,

and it was not easy to get my firearm license, which allows you to only get certain weapons that you keep in your home and never leave, you never take out. I was even told that you got to be careful driving from the gun store after you buy it because they can arrest you, and they probably will. That's how bad it is in Jersey. And you have a duty to retreat from your own home in New Jersey, technically. They say it's a partial castle doctrine state,

but when I talked to a lawyer about it- Hold on. You're glossing over that. You have a duty to retreat. Meaning if someone breaks into your house, it's your job to leave your house. Yes. Right, okay. But to be specific, what I was told by the lawyer, because I said, look, if this guy tries to break in again,

and I caught my shotgun and I, you know, like Dave Chappelle said, birdshot, buckshot, what's my liability? And I was told, you have to exhaust all means to avoid that lethal conflict. If you cannot, because it's partial castle doctrine, escape your home to a safe place, you're allowed to use whatever means to prevent great bodily harm or death to yourself. However, you will be arrested, you will be charged with murder, and then you can apply that affirmative defense after you've paid for your lawyers and gone to court and made your arguments maybe the jury will agree with you fuck that yeah see that's why people move that's why i moved yeah when people get their homes broken into in a state like that or city like that that like clearly is not protecting people's ability to defend themselves which is. If someone's breaking into your home and threatening to cause bodily injury to you, it should be really clear. Like you should

be able to defend yourself, especially if you have a family. It's tough because, you know, I'm in West Virginia now. West Virginia is known for being like, if you step on someone's property, they can perceive that as a threat, but it's not like you just kill anybody. But, um, you know, you still might get arrested even in West Virginia or Texas or Florida because, you know, they, there could be political pressure or there could be an argument that we don't actually believe it was self-defense. And that's why I think castle doctrine, hard castle doctrine and stand your ground is so important, don't come into my home. Yeah. Do you know the story about the guy who shot the rioter in Austin? No. Well, he wasn't technically a rioter.

He was a protester, but he was walking around with, I believe he had an AK-47, open carrying an AK-47. Oh, yes, of course, of course. So this guy who was a veteran, who was an Uber driver or Lyft driver or what have you, and he's driving, going by the directions, and he goes into where these people are protesting. And he's being forced to turn around, right? So as he drives towards it, not knowing that they've got the streets blocked off so that they can protest, this guy points a gun in his face.

And, you know, he's LARPing essentially you know he's playing like he's a badass and the guy who was in the uber was apparently a veteran and pulled a gun out immediately shot the guy because the guy's pointing a gun at him they acquitted him he let him out like they did no charges and then I believe it was like 10 months later, the district attorney decided to charge him with murder. I'm pretty sure that after he shot and killed that guy, they shot at his car. So the guy approaches with the AK, the driver shoots him, and then they fired back at his vehicle. Perhaps. I'm not sure. But the guy pointed a gun at him, and then he shot him. An AK. Yeah. And also, we can remember, and we were talking about this last night with Blair, there was so much fucking chaos in the air back then.

If you go back to those riots, if you go back to the George Floyd protests and the riots, there was so much chaos in the air. There was cars being lit on fire, houses being broken into. I'll never forget there was this video of these people walking down the street protesting, and they just threw a rock at the window of this house where people were looking out. They were just looking out at them. And the guy was like, hey, man, we're with you. And they fucking threw rocks at their windshield, or their windows, rather, for no reason. It was that kind of chaos.

There's a video of some college kids in a dorm, I think it was, and they're, like, on a second floor. Yeah. Is that what you're talking about? That's exactly what I'm talking about. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I got the context wrong. But then, like, the rock just shatters the window. Yeah, and they go, what the fuck?

We're with you. We're giving you thumbs up. They were giving them thumbs up. See, it was anarchy and chaos. And when that kind of shit happens, people get terrified. And they don't know if they're going to get shot. They don't know what the fuck is going to happen because all rules are out the window. You're in a period of lawlessness.

And you put people in a constant state of stress and anxiety over their safety. And that foments like revolution and unrest. And they make poor choices, you know, whether they shoot at people or, you know, they get shot. Buildings get lit on fire. I mean, that's what happens during these wild, chaotic moments of rioting. something that I covered when I was down the ground at Occupy and all these other events is there's a thing called the diversity of tactics. And the activists, organizers often say respect the diversity of tactics. What that really means is don't stop the violence. So nobody's going to care if a bunch of, you know, bleeding heart hippies are waving signs and marching through the street for the most part, people might honk at them. The reason why they have to issue the warning telling people to respect the diversity of tactics is that when black block Antifa type

individuals or writers burn and smash things, they immediately turn to the peaceful people and say, you have to respect their diversity of tactics, basically allow them to do this. That's what we end up seeing in a lot of places. But when you look at Rittenhouse, I think it's a case, it's a really good example. What that really means is the criminal elements who are here for no other reason than to destroy because they're upset, they're unwell or violent are going to be allowed to do so. So there's two there's two important things, notably in Ferguson when I was on the ground covering those riots. It was local young black Ferguson residents linking arms to guard the liquor store where Michael Brown had stolen the cigarillos.

It was out of towners who were ransacking and looting everything. Al Jazeera was there. I'm standing right next to this reporter, Sebastian. I think Walker is his name. He was with Vice for a while. Asking these young black men, why are you linking arms to guard this? And this kid said, he was not a kid. He was a guy.

He was like, you know, young man. This is our neighborhood. These people don't live here. They're destroying our home. They're burning down our stores. We don't want this. Right. And this is a points back to the Rittenhouse case too, right? Because these three guys that he winds up shooting, these three guys that do have criminal records, they were there to take part in the chaos. It's pretty clear. It's possible that Gage Grosskreutz was a revolutionary. I mean,

he raised his fist and said, long live the revolution at a rally after the fact But look look fuck does that mean no it means he believes the cause but he also has a criminal record, right? I think a large portion of his criminal record was expunged or something But he but that was his grandmother six days before the trial But but here's but hold on isn't that like really controversial the fact that his his record was expunged six days before the trial. But hold on. Isn't that like really controversial? The fact that his record was expunged six days before the trial? Yes. I mean, that's kind of fucking crazy when you've got a guy who is a witness for the prosecution. And it turns out he was one of the star people and the only guy that survived that this kid shot.

And he's a piece of shit. And the prosecutor instructed the detectives not to execute a signed search warrant against his phone. That's right. And that was very, very confusing and controversial. When do the police not get a signed search warrant? And then the prosecutor says, don't execute it. So they say, okay. But here's what I mean.

Gage Grosskreutz is a true believer. He showed up to that protest as a revolutionary who believes in whatever he believes. And he was there with the medical kit. He may have bad ideology. He may be a misguided person. Some people say similar things to Kyle Rittenhouse. But Rosenbaum was a child rapist. I don't believe, based on the evidence, that he actually cared about Black Lives Matter.

He was, I think, you know, they say he had just gotten out of a mental hospital. Some say over a suicide attempt. I don't know. But the dude was yelling, shoot me, N-wordword at a kid with a gun i think it's possible that this dude suicide by cop almost or suicide by yeah exactly if forcing people this guy i don't believe actually cared about any causes so when you have the the facilitators the organizers say respect the diversity of tactics they're making space for criminal elements who just want destruction, damage, or to profit. Well, they're also, they just,

that's the armed wing of the far left party. Like, that's what Antifa is. They're like the thugs that enforce the ideas. That's why I want to ask you about this. When Chris Cuomo was on CNN and he said, who said that all protests have to be peaceful? That's great. But here's the question.

Does he get fed that? Is he allowed to say whatever he thinks? Or do they have a script for him? Because CNN's not live, right? They're recording these segments. A lot of it's live. Come on. A lot of it is live.

Really? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys talking, they allow those guys to talk live it's a it's a mix though right it is um you'll get some like when they do interviews with people it's sometimes it's live sometimes it's not so i've never gone i've been on msnbc before and it was a pre-record but why would they make it live it doesn't seem like especially because what cnn has really become is more editorial and opinion pieces than anything. Right. It's people expanding on a narrative.

That's basically what they are. The opinion stuff is probably prerecorded. Right. So you get a guy like Chris Cuomo saying something like that. Is he reading a teleprompter? I don't know, but I do know, and I've been saying the word evil a lot it's harsh but i think it's true when it referred when you refer to chris cuomo he's an evil person why say that he faked having he faked being in covet quarantine and everybody knows he did well here's what he did

he came out of the basement and he said this is my first time coming out of the basement i'm finally released from covet quarantine but I attribute that to producers because I worked on television shows and I know what the fuck they want to do. They always want a moment, like a big thing. However, he had been seen and got into a fight with a guy 30 minutes away from his home. Right. Outside where he was looking at property that he was building something on. Someone yelled at him. And then he went on his own radio show, I believe it was on Sirius, and said,

this guy comes up to me and he's going to have words with me. He has a Sirius show too? I think it was on Sirius. Yeah, he called him like a fat, tired douchebag or something like that. Yeah, because the guy was riding a mountain bike. It's the banality of evil, I guess. I don't think that's evil. I think it's deceptive, but I think it's theatrically deceptive.

It's like, here's Chris Cuomo's big moment coming out. We've got to catch the moment, Chris. Well, I've already been out. Well, it don't matter. No one knows. We're going to catch the moment. I don't find that to be evil. It's deceptive, but it's standard operational procedure for anyone that produces a television show,

particularly reality shows. That's why I say it's more akin to the banality of evil. I don't think it's evil at all. I just think it's corny. You know, him coming out of the fucking basement pretending. Let's correct this real quick. Apparently his full record wasn't expunged. Six days before, he had a case for drunk driving

that was dismissed on a technicality. Expunged felony conviction. Yeah, but he still had a record. He can no longer be counted against him. So he still had a record? He justified to that, apparently. Okay. So his arrest and case history from the State Department of Justice

is much larger than you would currently find through the online court records. It shows a string of dismissed cases and an expunged felony conviction. About what, though? Look at that next sentence. Read that. Okay.

This means it can no longer be counted against him. Sorry, the next one. January 2021, he was accused of second offense, drunk driving, but the case was dismissed on a prosecutor's motion. Whoa! They did that specifically because they wanted to make sure that he wasn't, like, that they didn't bring that up during the case. Or maybe they said to him, look, you testify for us,

you say what, you know, what you saw, and maybe this drunk driving charge goes away. He does, however, have a prior misdemeanor conviction for intoxicated use of a firearm in Wisconsin. But that could be, you know, he had a couple of beers and went deer hunting. His concealed carry license had expired, and he was seen on video with that. So he had illegally possessing a gun, which I think is a felony. I mean, it depends on where you're at.

Well, that's actually not true because I think in California, like carrying a gun concealed is actually a misdemeanor. I think Ethan Suplee was telling us about that. You know, it's interesting about Gage Grosskreutz. He was from far away. You know, he traveled, you know, 40 plus minutes or whatever. But let's say Gage Grosskreutz was not from Kenosha. Right. He traveled very far to go to a riot where he knew there was violence.

Because Kyle Rittenhouse traveled 30 minutes, right? Well, so this is what's interesting. Gage Grosskreutz travels from far away to where he knows there's violence. He brings an illegal gun and he says it's because he was an EMT who wants to help people. Kyle Rittenhouse travels across state lines from far away to where he's been accused of bringing an illegal gun where he knew there was violence because he wanted to be an EMT.

They're not the same stories, but it's remarkable to me that the narrative on Rittenhouse was always like he's evil, he's a bad guy, when Gage Grosskreutz's story was actually the correct, like actually the right narrative. He's a guy who's not from Kenosha

who brought a gun illegally into a riot and then pointed it at someone and he got shot. Whereas Kyle Rittenhouse, his dad lives there. His grandma lives there. His cousins live there. He works there. His best friend lives there. He lives just on the other side of the border in what is effectively a suburb of Kenosha.

He went there, not with a gun, but was given one by Dominic Black, which he was legally allowed to possess. So someone gave him a gun once he got there? That's right. Dominic Black. So is that confirmed? Yes. Dominic Black has been criminally charged for providing the weapon, which will be interesting. I believe it's a straw purchase charge, which means Kyle Rittenhouse testified that he gave the money to Dominic Black to buy the rifle so that once Kyle turned 18, he could possess it because he can't buy a gun under 18, but he can

possess a rifle specifically. He testified the reason he didn't get a handgun is because he knows under 18, you can't have one, but you can have a standard rifle. So all this talk about, so you can break it down here, all this talk about him traveling across state lines with a firearm, that's not true. All this talk about him being in illegal possession of that gun, that's not true. Right. He lives in Antioch, Illinois, and I believe the reason was he's originally from Kenosha,

but his mom and his dad split, and so he stays with his mom about 20 miles away from Kenosha. Yeah, it's 21 miles from the scene, which is pretty close. He wasn't an EMT, but neither was Gage Grosskreutz. My understanding, and I could be wrong, Grosskreutz's EMT certificate

or whatever expired in 2017 and he did not re-up. They both wanted to go there claiming to provide medical attention. They both had weapons. But Grosskreutz was the guy who was carrying the legal... Rittenhouse was going there

saying he was providing medical attention? And he did. He provided medical attention to the rioters themselves. I believe on more than one occasion. Not only that but testimony from Drew Hernandez was that when there was a conflict arising from the militia guys on the roof and the writers written house actually came down and walked up to them with his hands fanning down trying to deescalateate the tensions and then the rioters de-escalated and left which shows uh this is on video my understanding is provided to the state the Kyle Rittenhouse not only did he have no intention to hurt anybody he was actively trying to stop violence it's crazy right the whole thing is crazy because they did chase him down and that's when he shot them and most people didn't even know that and then there was uh some talk today about video evidence that had been withheld oh shit dude this is dark stuff yeah so this this this was actually included in the motion by the defense that was put out on us given to the judge on the 15th this is we are fucked on this story check this out the state had what they

call unicorn evidence. It emerged two weeks ago, like in the middle of trial, they get this drone footage. It's high definition, but it's so far away from where Kyle is, you can't actually see anything. The defense makes the argument that the video shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the Zeminskis. This is the guy who had the gun and fired in the air. And then Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse in defense of others such that Rittenhouse provoked him to attack him. And then Rittenhouse led him to the to the parking lot where he could shoot and kill him. Because of this footage, the prosecution was able to get a jury instruction on provocation, which means the judge said to the jury, if you believe that Rittenhouse provoked him, he cannot be found to have been acting in self-defense.

The prosecution didn't withhold evidence. This is what the big story was. Prosecution withholds evidence. No, no, no, no. They manipulated the evidence and it's darker than that. The video received by the defense was a low resolution video. It would play on a screen like normal, but it was fuzzier. The defense did not know they were not given the true and correct video, which means if the state withheld the evidence and then played it in court, this is our key evidence proving Rittenhouse committed a crime. The defense would say, Your Honor, we were never provided this evidence. And the judge would say, stop, give them the evidence, come back,

give them a chance to form a rebuttal because the defense thought they did receive the evidence. They weren't able to actively scrutinize it because it was low resolution. When the video was played in court by the defense, the prosecution goes, our version is much clearer. That's when the defense said, what the fuck? You provided us evidence that we could not discern, then told, then what the prosecution did was they got an expert to use algorithmic software to enhance it, basically, which generates false images. It's not real images, and I can break that down. Present that to the judge, and the defense did not know that they were using different evidence to try and get this introduced.

So is that video available, the enhanced video? They were given it on the 13th after evidence had closed and the trial concluded. To us. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My understanding is that it, I don't know how, but Rakeda Law, they've been doing this big live stream, played both videos and you can see it. Now, when I first heard this, I said, how would you not realize that the video they're playing in court was a higher resolution than what you had? So I actually on my TV played comparable resolutions. And when you're looking for it, you can see it.

But when you don't realize it, you don't realize it. The TV screens are big. They're already kind of blurry. And so what happens is this disadvantage to the defense in their ability to watch the video and actually say, look here, Kyle Rittenhouse's arm is pointed in this direction. By getting the low res video, I don't know what I see. The prosecution is going to argue something and we can't form. So what they did was the defense argued you can't use CGI imagery in a court case, but they were unable to accurately explain to the judge why it was CGI. So the judge said, I don't I don't know what you're talking about. We'll allow it. I'll tell you this. The image introduced by the prosecution is obviously not a picture of anything. There's a big white talking about. There's a big white sign. Can we see it?

Yeah, you can pull it up. If you go to legal insurrection and then it's an old, you'll look for the articles written by Andrew Branca. He shows a side by side. Andrew Branca is a foremost expert on self-defense law. He's brilliant. He shows a side by side from evidence of the enhanced version and the regular version. And you can clearly see it looks like one of those Google deep fakes of weird nothing. There's a white sign. When you look at the real image, it's low resolution and blurry. When you look at the prosecution's evidence, there's two signs, a faded large and small sign over each other because the computer program can't actually enlarge or enhance. It just adds more pixels. So what did it do? Like Google deep

fake AI technology or whatever, it just duplicated the signs over each other and people have referred to it as the signs being raptured because its ghost is being pulled from its body. They use that to argue and get this. They argued. Kyle Rittenhouse puts down a fire extinguisher within a split second, takes his gun off, flips the strap, points with his with his left hand at the Zeminski's flip, then runs. And while he's running, takes the strap off, flips it back to his right hand, turns and shoots Rosenbaum. When this when the defense objected, saying he's facing the wrong direction, the prosecutor immediately goes, that's an argument. And the judge says, that's an argument.

Meaning in closing, it was a closing argument. So you can just rebut that if you want when it comes up. It's remarkable that the state was allowed to introduce this. And it's unfortunate because the defense, look, they're boomers. They didn't understand the technology. Richards and the defense said they use a 3D AI logarithm to predict imagery. And the judge goes, what? I would have said it very simply. Your Honor, the image they're presenting is not from August 25th, 2020. End of story. Where, when's the image from? It's from two weeks ago at a crime lab in Kenosha, from the police crime lab, not from the night in question. If that still got to the point where they brought in the expert, and they did, this guy James Armstrong, I would have asked the expert,

this image you're presenting to the jury, when was that image created? And he would say, November, October 30th, 2021. Well, if he said it that way, you probably wouldn't say it that way. This is not a very good way to look at it, but this is what is on that website. It's already blurry. It's already blurry. But take a look at the sign. You can see that it's... The left side, that the sign is like two signs.

It's not a real image. What's crazy is it's still super blurry. Exactly. We made a joke. We called it the Rorschach test that, you know, if you want to figure out someone's politics,

show them an ink blotch, an ink blotch, and then this image. And if they say it shows Kyle Rittenhouse pointing a gun at someone, then, you know, you know their politics.

I'm exhausted about this subject. I think we've covered it enough. Oh, for sure. But there's no... I thought the verdict would have... No, there's still a lot. I was looking this up.

Right now, they're talking about it in court I think they're actually watching the video in HD they were going back and forth about like was there a compression error with the email being sent did it change the file name and they're trying to prove that this can or can't I'm just trying to like figure it out

but no verdict yet but it's just weird that it's become a race issue for sure man a white guy shooting white guys and then there's so many But it's just weird that it's become a race issue. For sure, man. A white guy shooting white guys. And then there's so many Black Lives Matter people that have a vested interest in this guy being found guilty. You know what's fascinating is right now I like using civics for polling because they have a long track where they show you real time polling throughout every time they implement the poll over years. Black Lives Matter today is tied. 44% opposition, 44% support. What's interesting here is that when the George Floyd incident happened, support for Black Lives Matter skyrocketed. Then the riots happened and it

plummeted and now opposition is rivaling. So I tell people, man, the violence really makes you lose politically. And if they kept it peaceful, they would own politics right now in this country. I know, but that's what the crazy narrative is that the peacefulness doesn't work and that you have to crack some eggs to make an omelet. It's just not true. Well, the thing is it doesn't work when it comes to polling But it does work in terms of People placating People giving in to it People that are scared

Especially liberals Liberals in the sense of Or in the face of that kind of violence Immediately show that they're in support Of those people So they'll show they're in support of the violence They'll show they're in support of Black Lives Matter And they'll do it're in support of the violence. They'll show they're in support of Black Lives Matter. And they'll do it because they're cowards.

And they'll put it on their Instagram and they'll put it on their Twitter. And they'll do it publicly to virtue signal and let everybody know that they're on the right side. And a lot of it is because of fear. Yeah, yeah, virtue signaling. But take a look at what happened in New Jersey with that Republican state senator. You saw that story, right? But take a look at what happened in New Jersey with that Republican state senator. You saw that story, right?

Edward Durr, I think his name is, spent $153 to run as a Republican. Yes. He's a trucker, and he did not campaign beyond that, and he beat the incumbent Democrat. Yeah. I think we're at a point where when you get Democrats placating, defending, or supporting the violence, regular people would vote for a ham sandwich over the establishment well then there's also the weirdness of that election the the governor's election the election for governor in jersey is fucking it's all these mail-in ballots like that's just the easiest way to rig an election like like they've shown, like when you talk to experts in election results and the ability to manipulate, they say that the most vulnerable aspect is mail-in ballots. I'll say this first. I do not believe there was sufficient voter fraud to give Donald Trump to have stolen the election from Trump.

to give Donald Trump, to have stolen the election from Trump. I believe Biden won because rules were changed, because of universal mail-in voting, advantage to Democrats. However, in North Jersey, there was a huge story where the courts basically ended an election after the fact, nullified it, and ordered a re-election because they discovered bundles of mail-in votes from different areas, like in one mailbox. And then they found some, I have to pull up the story, but there was like 30% of the ballots were like, signatures didn't match and stuff like that. Now, in the governor race in New Jersey, and I'm not saying that, what's his name, Cittarelli, that he lost because of voter fraud, but there was a report from Northern Jersey, 100 percent reporting Republican victory. And then overnight, 100 percent reporting Democrat victory. So a lot of people saw that and said, how did they report 100 percent?

Right. And then the votes changed. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know either. But I know that North Jersey's got some problems. North Jersey's corrupt. It's always been corrupt. And there's room for fuckery. There's a lot of room for fuckery when it comes to mail-in ballots. There just is. And that's one of the reasons why people are so skeptical, people that are enforcing the idea of using mail-in ballots.

The mail-in ballot concept came up during this election because of the pandemic. People are like, it's the only way to be safe. Mail-in ballots are safer. You don't want people to go to an official polling place and run the risk of catching COVID. That's true. But before, it was in October of 2020, Pennsylvania Republicans passed universal mail-in voting unconstitutionally before there was an outbreak of anything. And this is an interesting story. They initially tried to create universal absentee, but found the Constitution of Pennsylvania bars universal mail-in voting. Well, see, the thing about mail-in voting, I don't think it's specific to one party

or the other. If they want fuckery, if the right wants fuckery or the left wants fuckery, it seems to be the best path. Within reason, but the Democrats are heavily advantaged by mail-in voting. So you get, you're in New York City. You've got a building complex with a hundred apartments or a hundred condos. You get two Democrat activists to walk in the building and knock on the door. Family answers. You say, I see you got a mail-in ballot right there on your table. Did you fill it out yet? And he goes, no, I didn't. Why don't you fill it out? Put it in the mailbox of the mailman. I'll get it for you.

That's not illegal. They can cover all 100 of those families in one day. Now you do Republicans who tend to live in rural and suburban areas. What are you going to do? Are you going to drive 100 miles in one day to get the same amount of families? Is that effective, that door-to-door shit? Absolutely. Is it?

Especially, so I used to do a lot of fundraising vote registration activism stuff and funny enough it was for like democratic causes and registering to vote democrats and things like that i didn't do it i didn't we would do postcarding we i did non-profit fundraising on the streets we'd get people to fill out cards it works i mean when when uh when you get 10 000 postcards dumped on a congressperson's desk it It plays a role. So when we would do fundraising, the crazy thing was I would get people to give over their credit card information, sign up on the street for Greenpeace, for all the, I could convince, I was one of the, I was, for the short stint I was there, I was one of the top in the nation, walking up to a stranger and

within a minute getting their credit card and writing it all down and walking away. When you see, when you knock on a door and someone says, you know, hey, you know what's going on? You say, we want to make sure everybody's voting. It's so important. And we know you got your mail-in vote. Why don't you fill it out right here while we wait, put it in your mailbox in the mailman, we'll take it for you. Maybe it's one in 10 say yes. But if it's one in 10, it's one in 10 for Republican, if it's one in 10 it's one in 10 for republican libertarian you know democrat whatever if the democrats have the ability to use population density in that regard to their advantage universal mail-in voting as a function is just advantaging democrats over republicans i'm so burnt out i really am i'm burnt out on all this shit. And I'm doing a show tonight. I just talk too much. I just find it's exhausting.

It's exhausting and it's just the thing about even the concept of voter fraud, it just removes so much enthusiasm people have for the process if they really think that there's fuckery going on. It makes some people angry, but for a lot of people it almost makes them apathetic because it makes them just feel, but for a lot of people it almost makes him apathetic because it makes him Just feel like there's no hope well That's why I my personal belief is that the Trump narrative around fraud about how he really won is actually meant to just destabilize the the populist movement I

Don't know about that. He thought that he won he wanted people He thought there was gonna be some chance that someone was going to change the vote. He fell for it. Yeah. Well, whether he fell for it or not, whether he really believed that he had the kind of influence. I mean, when you're the president of the United States and for four years and you're actually getting a lot of good things done. Right. He's getting a lot of good things done in regards to trade, in regards to, you know, some of the impacts it's having on businesses. And then the COVID hits. the shit hits the fan,

everything's falling apart, and then he loses the election. And he's still of the mind that he has all this influence. And he probably thought he could get people to overturn the election or change the election. I think Trump really believes it. I think he genuinely believes it. You look at this. There was a lot of questionable shit.

Well, the thing is, it's not 0% voter fraud. Right. Like, what's the percent? Like, in every vote, by the way, every vote, there's some percentage of voter fraud. This is what's weird about this introduction of illegal aliens into this country. At the same time, they're promoting this idea that you shouldn't have to have an id to vote like both those things are so crazy while it's happening because at the same time you have to have a proof of vaccination in order to do a lot of things so you have to have id so id is racist if you want people to use id to vote. But ID is mandatory if you want to go to restaurants, if you go to all these other places, because you have to be vaccinated.

Because it's like it's so inconsistent. What if I told you that illegal immigrants in this country, each and every one, does vote in the presidential election? What? Each and every one. Each and every one. Every illegal alien does not vote. Hold, stop. Well, hold on.

I'm obviously playing. I'm obviously making a bit, right? I didn't know you were making a bit. It sounds like nonsense. The Electoral College is based upon congressional seats. Congressional seats are based upon total population, citizen or otherwise. Right. So if an illegal immigrant moves into a state, they are counted in the census

and a congressional seat is apportioned to that state, which then gets an electoral vote based on the amount of people. So we don't do a popular vote for the president. That means if you have, I think California in 2016 got one additional vote based on their total illegal immigrant population, one extra electoral college vote. Really? So while they don't actually vote by going out and voting, that's not how the presidential election works. Their presence in the state gives congressional federal power to that state to make those votes. Interesting.

So they make states where there's like borderline states or where there's states where they're you know it could swing one way or the other and they make those more accessible to illegal aliens thus they get additional seats it takes 10 years it takes the census which i believe is every 10 years right um i don't know which states they're doing i'm not saying anyone's conspiracy there's a conspiracy to do it but it is true that if you look at the illegal immigrant population per state, you can calculate how many electoral votes they'll get. Well, they're piling into Texas. Oh, yeah. They're piling into Texas.

But where are they piling? If they pile into urban centers, then what will happen is, say, Austin will have to expand and produce a couple more districts, a couple more congressional seats. Then Texas will get more electoral votes. It won't give them the power to turn Texas necessarily into a blue state for Texas itself, but it will give them extra electoral votes, which could make Texas a blue presidential state. See, here's the thing. Most people have no idea about this stuff. Most people are just, it's not willful ignorance. It's almost they're overwhelmed by just the sheer amount of data, the sheer amount of information that you

must have to have in order to make an informed decision. I mean, when you're going into the voting booth, how many people really know who the fuck these Congress people are? How many people really know who's running for Senate? How many people really are aware? It's so few. In, I think, New Hampshire, a trans-Satanist anarchist won the Republican primary for sheriff to prove a point that people voted based on D or R and not on the candidate. Find that. We need to find that. Trans-Satanist anarchist sheriff. Where? I think Newpshire but you know you can there's 18 people in new hampshire they don't know what the fuck they're doing they're all drunk they went in and they saw republican and they checked up the box and just voted for

it i also think um the the anarchists may have been running unopposed so people were just like you get my vote but when they found out who they voted for, they got really, really mad. Not everybody, but some people were like, here we go. Flossbid. So what's next for the trans-satanic anarchist who lost her bid for Cheshire County Sheriff? It was the primary that

she won. Wow. I believe, I believe. Yeah, okay, there you go. Anti- Anti-police satanist runs for sheriff as Republican I believe, I believe Yeah, okay, there you go Look at that, more than 4,000 Anti-police satanist runs for sheriff As Republican in New Hampshire 4,200 Republicans

Is that a gun on her hip? Probably Yeah, definitely, a magazine? No, it's a concealed carry I dig it, I love it Jesus Christ Hold on, stop Aria D'Amezio I dig it. I love it. New Hampshire with these... Jesus Christ. Hold on, stop.

Aria D'Amezio, a transgender woman in her early 30s, has become a minor celebrity and the target of online attacks, vandalism, including homophobic slurs spray-painted on her car, and a write-in campaign to weaken her chances. Wow. The lone Republican candidate for Cheshire County Sheriff in September's primary. Most voters blindly checked the box next to her name.

She believes. Most voters blindly checked the box next to her name. She only registered as a Republican at the last second after concluding her bid to get on the ballot as a Libertarian. Her preferred party would have required gathering signatures amid the coronavirus pandemic. Wow. I love it.

Now, that is culture jamming. That is a statement right there. It's pretty wild, man. New Hampshire's a crazy fun place, I gotta say, man. Live free or die. And the Free State Project? Yeah. Ah, they're winning.

There's just not a lot of people up there. That's also where Ghislaine was hiding in the woods. Okay, that's kind of fucked up. When they found her. Well, I mean, it's just not a lot of people up there. That's also where Ghislaine was hiding in the woods. Okay, that's kind of fucked up. When they found her. Well, I mean, it's just woods. It's a lot of woods up there. Her trial just started this week. What's going on with that?

They're picking a jury today. How have they not killed her? Seems like they should have killed her. Good protection, right? I mean, I don't think they should, but it seems like they would want to. Not should. I mean, like the people that killed Epstein, which they did. I read they're going to name high-profile people, supposedly.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I wonder if Gates goes down. You know, if this vaccine injury thing gets really out of hand and if this smallpox thing leads to something or if there's any inkling whatsoever that some people who have financial motives want more people to get vaccinated or want people to get vaccinated that don't need it or there's any kind of discussion about this it'd be interesting to see if they decide to throw someone high

profile under the bus to cover up their tracks you see fauci shaking when he's being questioned by rand paul yeah i mean this is remarkable to me that Rand Paul holds up the study that says chimeric hybrid viruses manufactured and funded by the NIH, NIAID, and Fauci is like, we did not do that. And it's like, how? Well, the NIH has admitted they funded gain-of-function research, and then Fauci tries to change the definition of what gain-of-function means and that's what he's doing while Rand Paul Paul's questioning but Rand Paul who is actually a doctor and that's the problem. He does he understands these things

Yes, you know, it's like but Fauci that was the first time where he didn't seem arrogant When he was being questioned he really it seemed like he was in trouble the first time. He's old. He's 80. His hand might shake all the time. I mean, and that's true. The way he's talking, though, is very different. When Rand Paul said,

he said, are you finally willing to admit that you were not telling the truth and that you did gain-of-function research? And he was trying to say the definitions as defined, like he just tries to skirt around what it is. It's almost like the term gain-of-function is the real problem. What he maybe should have said is, did you fund the enhancement of virus research? fund the enhancement of virus research? Did you fund research that made viruses more contagious, more virulent, and more susceptible to the human population? They would have had to say yes to that. You can one-up it and say, did you fund research on coronaviruses that originated in

bats in China to make them infect lung cells? And the answer is yes. And then COVID-19 comes from where and does what? Right. It does that. The problem is the term gain of function, which a lot of people don't know. And then Francis Collins, who's the head of the NIH, was on the Lex Friedman podcast and just said a bunch of shit that's not true. It was really

fucked to watch. One of the things that he said was not true was he said that that pro wrestler, that, what the fuck is the guy's name? I forget his name. Big fucking stud of a man. And he was talking about the guy like, he almost died.

Did not almost die. Said he had mild symptoms. Wow. Specifically from him. So this guy is just a propagandist. How does Lex allow that? Oh man, Lex is too nice. Yeah. You know, in those kinds of situations, like Lex is fantastic when he's interviewing people about their field of study and asking them questions about, you know, the research or

whatever. But when it comes to catching someone in a lie, you got to be someone who can go stop, stop. And you know, that's what i had to do with sanjay gupta right that kind of these kind of conversations these uncomfortable conversations that's not lex's strong point lex is a sweetheart of a guy and his he's allowing people to just express themselves but then in the comments people were furious and then the analysis by experts people were much more furious because they're like there's so many things that this man said that are provably Untrue it sounds really his defense of Fauci like the way he was defending Fauci saying you know that Fauci's done nothing wrong That it's all political attacks on him. No, it's not Rand Paul is not making a political attack on him

He's saying very specifically you have led people specifically you have led people you've led them to believe that there was no gain of function research going on when the nih has said yes we did gain a function research they finally the nih has finally admitted it fauci still won't but his tone and demeanor are very different now than they were they did try walking it back though they issued this letter where it was like we did these things we're accused of and then once the news broke like wow they actually admit it they're like actually we're gonna say what Fauci said definitions different oh they did something like that something like that they tried walking it back or something yeah the definitions are so fucking squirrelly it's like you're just

just doing word jiu-jitsu what is it white supremacist it's a thing you know let's see what's way worse that's just clearly deceptive. I loved when Fauci was answering the question about gain of function. The best way I can explain it is Rand Paul goes, Dr. Fauci, did you put a door on the building? And Fauci goes, we did not

put a door on the building. It's simply a large piece of wood with a knob that when you turn, the object will open up, allowing you to pass through. By definition, it's not a door. It's more like a wall that moves when you turn a knob. There's a video of him talking about

people catching AIDS just being in the house with people that have AIDS from the 1980s. He's always been a fear monger. If you're a guy who is the head expert in infectious diseases i guess you have to think of what's the worst case scenario the worst case scenario would be that aids would spread through the house just by people breathing on each other so that's what he

was saying but it was not true but then the you know the argument for him is like hey this happens all the time in science and they have to make corrections. And this is called following the data. And that's actually showing that science is correct, that science is working. Because the conclusions change based upon the data. And that's what he said. If you're attacking me, they're really attacking the science. Well, you used the third person.

That's a problem. When they're attacking Fauci? When you're attacking Anthony Fauci, you're really attacking science. Now he's got in his office a big portrait of himself. That's not good either. It's not good. It's not good. You know, it's like it's one thing if, you know, there's a big Joe Rogan experience sign right in front of me, but we're doing

a show. People are going to see the branding. It's another thing to work in your own office with a big portrait of yourself right in front of you. Maybe someone gave it to him as a gift. Maybe his wife gave it to him. He wants to have it in his office. That's a good point. It's a good point. Somebody, somebody sent a drawing of us on our show. And I thought about that, like, well, what am I supposed to do? Like destroy it, smash it, throw it in the garbage. Burn it in a online live video. Here's my favorite, my favorite Fauci arc. He goes on TV. I think it was CNN. And he's talking about stuff like normal. And they ask him now, Dr. Fauci, you say people should wear masks, but wouldn't it make sense if people wore two masks because that would be more effective? And he goes, yeah, it's common sense that two masks would would would be more effective.

TV a few days later and they were like, so you advise people to wear two masks. And he goes, I did not. There is nothing saying to wear two masks. And then a few days later, the CDC comes out and says people should wear two masks. I feel like a lot of this advice came from just like winging it. They abandoned the two mask thing though. Notice that? Silently abandoned the two mask thing. It's not yet right. It's gone. It's gone. But there were so many dorks that were wearing two masks. They want to show they were compliant. So they'd have the surgical mask underneath the cloth mask and showing everyone that they're on board with the science. To be fair, they also abandoned the two vax thing. You know, it used to be like get two shots and you are good. And now it's get three shots.

Well, that's what Europe is saying. You know, in Israel was the first place to not count you as fully vaccinated unless you have your booster. And now they're doing that in other states and they're talking about doing that in the UK. They did. They did. They're saying in England, in the UK, in order to be to get your covid passport, like formalized, it's three shots. Oh, my God. New York City just announced they opened up boosters to everyone. Oh, my God. New York City just announced they opened up boosters to everyone. 18 plus, 18 plus. Right.

But are they enforcing it in terms of like, you know, New York City has a vaccination mandate where you have to have a vaccine in order to go into restaurants and bars and what have you and gyms, I believe, which is just it's just an attack on business. And it's also attack on my RAs because one of the things about vaccines is the highest percentage of people that are non-vaccinated are African-Americans. That's actually like a critical race argument. Yeah. And it's funny that the critical race groups aren't actually bringing that up. Yeah. Well, some of them are. Black Lives Matter are. That's right. And they marched with Trump supporters. Yeah.

There were a few instances of that. And it's funny how the media doesn't know how to address this happening. I mean, the African-American community has a long history of distrust in the medical institution, going back to the Tuskegee experiment and a bunch of other shit. Dark shit. Yeah, dark shit. Like they're in every, they're right. And it's funny, like when African-American celebrities talk about vaccines, except athletes like Charlemagne,a God, you know, and he had, like, a conversation about it. He was like, you know, like, I don't trust it. Like, show me that you care about the black community. Show me you care about African-American communities, and then I'll entertain this. Until then, why would I do that?

Kyrie Irving. People just let him go. Yeah, but they attacked him yeah right they attacked kairi irving like even chris rock was calling him a dumb motherfucker which is hilarious because chris rock got vaccinated and then got coveted was hospitalized meanwhile um you know there's a lot of people that weren't it's like how much of a protection did it provide you at a certain point in time because Because I think he got the J&J and after six, seven months, whatever it's been, that's not doing much for you.

It feels like they're trying to stuff us into the matrix because it's really hard to talk about the stuff even in- Well, thank God we have podcasts. This is the thing that this is happening at the same time that podcasts happen. And not all podcasts because Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying, their podcast has been demonetized for that very reason. And those folks are actual evolutionary biologists and biologists that are talking to science experts and they're very careful with their words. They're very careful with, they're not like us. We're just talking shit off the top of our head and wrong about a lot of things. These are actual experts, actual scholars. And when they discuss these things, they get demonetized and some episodes actually get removed, you know,

depending upon who you are and what you talk about. If you have certain subjects get discussed that they decide are, you know, encouraging vaccine hesitancy or whatever, they just remove them. This is the crazy thing too. I consider myself to be a rule lawyer for these social media platforms, trying to make sure we figure out how you navigate a minefield. And so one of the things that's important too is the rules for like why Brett Weinstein gets a strike. You can't advocate for ivermectin. And they also say you, you must inform if you're talking about ivermectin, it's not FDA approved and certain things like that. But it's hard to know because they enforce it arbitrarily. So, you know, I often just tell people, and I think it's true. I don't know. I don't know about this stuff. I'm not a scientist.

I'm not a doctor. I certainly understand that if there are a lot of studies and there are talking about the efficacy of ivermectin, we should be allowed to have a conversation about it and give our opinions. I think it's also fair to say I'm not going to recommend anything to you. I had Peter T on my podcast, who's a doctor. And one of the things that he said, he said, I don't like when information is being withheld. I don't like when they're trying to establish a narrative. He goes, all the information should be on the table. The information that shows what the vaccine does be on the table. The information that shows what the vaccine does that's good, the information that shows where it wanes, the information that

shows vaccine injuries, all those things should be on the table and we should analyze all those things. But that's not what the case is. It's very difficult when someone has a vaccine injury to even find a story on them in Google. You have to go to DuckDuckGo. I found that over and over and over again. That scares me. It's weird. It's curating information. It's like they're deciding what the narrative is based on what they think you should be allowed to have access to. So it's not the actual, when you're researching that information and you're saying, well, I want to find out what's going on. You're not getting the full story. You're only getting the story that they want to provide you. It's like MSNBC. They select bits and pieces to only show one narrative. I suppose you could say the same thing for a lot of what Fox News does when you get these. I think Matt Taibbi has a

great book. I think it's called Hate Inc. where it discusses- Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah. It's got Rachel Maddow and Bill O'Reilly on the cover. Right. And he's basically made, I think Bill O'Reilly's on the cover, but he made the argument in another article that Rachel Maddow is Bill O'Reilly. And she's another one. She doubled down on that fake Rolling Stone article about people having horse dewormer overdoses

and they were overwhelming the hospital in Oklahoma to the point where gunshot victims were not allowed to get into the emergency room. A fucking complete fabrication. No research on it whatsoever, just total horseshit. Not only did she tweet about it, but then she doubled down and defended her tweet based on I think calls to the poison control Center, which doesn't mean jack shit. Here's the call for the Poison Control Center.

Hey, I just took ivermectin. I thought it was a 6-milligram tablet. It turns out it was 12, and I took two of them. Am I okay? That's a call to the Poison Control Center. You're fine. Yeah, but what Peter Attia said on my podcast the other day, the one that came out today, he said the sheer number of people who have taken ivermectin is so overwhelming.

There's been more than 4 billion doses handed out. And the amount of people that have actually had adverse injuries or things, it's like 20 out of 4 billion people. I forget what the actual number is. It might be 28 or whatever the fuck it is. It might be 8. Whatever it is, it's a very, very small number in comparison to the four billion people. I don't understand how, you know, Rachel Maddow, she did the Russiagate stuff for years.

Yeah. It's all, it's been fake for a long time. But how do you, how do you as a viewer of MSNBC watching her show be lied to so often but not eventually realize you're being lied to? What happens to those people? Do you think they know they're lying? Do you think they just say something because they know they can say it, and if they do say it, then it helps their party because it makes the other party look like they're corrupt and they're criminals

and they're in collusion with the Russians. I wish I could read minds, man. I wish I could too. I wish I knew. Here's one thing about your show and one thing about my show. There's no one fucking telling us what to say. And I think that drives people crazy. I really do.

But in that, whether you think I'm a moron or you're a moron or we're right or we're wrong, at least you know that if I'm saying something, it's because I've read some things, I've talked to some people, this is what I've seen, this is what I've read. Here's my opinion. That's it. There's no fucking voice on high that's showing up with a clipboard and has a bunch of notes of things that I'm going to discuss, talking points on the show. There are some issues though. Do they? But do they? Do they have those? That's the question. i want to know i think like the chris cuomo thing about rioting who says they have to be peaceful protest yeah did somebody say that to him like how does that work someone told me that fox does have some certain subject

is like don't bring it up it's off limits really yeah and i think it's ivermectin yeah yeah but i but i i i if i could you know it's something someone told me in passing when talking about the network. Because they do, I believe Fox does have a vaccine mandate, but it's not like the same kind of vaccine mandate. It's something like get tested rarely or something like that. Well, that was the other thing about Biden's mandate was that if you weren't vaccinated, you had to be subject to, I think it was weekly tests. Yeah. Which I think people should be subject to, I think it was weekly tests, which I think people should be subject to anyway. If you're working in an environment where you could possibly spread

a disease that really can fuck people up, two things should be taken into consideration. One, you should have a treatment plan available to the people who work for you. That's what I do. When something happens with someone that I know or someone who's working here, now we have options. When it first started happening, when Jamie got sick over a year ago, we didn't know shit. What do you do? Jamie just kind of laid low and got lucky that he had a mild case. But now we have pieces in motion, we have information to work with, and we have experience. We've had a bunch of people had COVID and we have some positive results based on the medications that I recommended to you. I also recommended to Aaron Rodgers. I mean, we have a medical team that we talked to

that gives us, and it works. It fucking works. But hold on. If you are a person that has an office and you employ 100 people or whatever, it makes sense to just test people. We test everyone here every day. And everyone here has had COVID. Everyone. How much does it cost? Not much. It's like 20 bucks a test. It's not expensive, man. I guess, you know, I'm not a fan of medical mandates. Tests are certainly a lower... It's not a mandate to test people. No, no, you said everyone should be getting tested anyway.

It's not. It's just smart. It's a great service to provide to your employees. If they show up for work, and like there was a case at Vulcan the other day, the comedy club that we perform at. One guy showed up and he had a headache and they said, hey, what do you mean you got a headache? Like, what's going on? He's like, oh, I just feel real tired. I got a headache.

And he goes, listen, we're going to test you. They test him right away. He's got COVID. They send him home. Amazing. They prevented this guy from getting in there and spreading it to the audience, spreading it to the other employees. They caught it in its tracks. It was a wise, intelligent move if you have a business.

Agreed. Right. Now, that's part of the mandate. That was part of Biden's mandate. That made sense. But- Here's the problem. The problem is when you say you either have to be vaccinated or test, the dumb thing about

that is if you're vaccinated, you can fucking spread it. We know that now. I know, I right now know six people that have been hospitalized that were vaccinated. Six. We had two breakthrough cases in our outbreak. I know more than 15 people that have had breakthrough cases. Yeah. I'm trying to keep track of it. It might be even closer to 20. I like the idea of a business being like, we're going to provide tests for everybody. If you're feeling sick, just let us know. But I don't like the idea of the president going around the legislative branch to issue a rule to force all these people to do it. No, that's not cool. But if you're a conscientious business owner and you have a bunch of people working in the office and you don't want someone to spread it

to other people, it is not hard to just provide tests for people. Yo, we had a COVID outbreak and I'm not going to say the names of anybody or anything like that, but some people just didn't really care if they were sick and going to spread it to others. Yeah. And that's the big challenge. I feel like- The thing is people don't want to miss work and they don't want to miss money. That's what it is. And this was the thing about this kid that showed up at Vulcan. Yo, they don't want to admit it, but I'm a lefty, man. I told everybody on limited sick time, on limited vacation, I believe in people who

work here being passionate. So if you get sick, yo, do what you gotta do. The thing is, some people don't want to admit that they have COVID. That's right. You know, they just, they want to be in denial, and they want to keep showing up at work. And I just, you know.

That's why I wonder about the whole asymptomatic transmission. Asymptomatic according to who? Yeah. Like how you test for that and they find out someone's got it. Right. Are you sure they were asymptomatic? Maybe they felt like shit and they're just in denial about it, you know? That's right and they're not saying anything.

I mean, there have been people that are asymptomatic. Like my real estate lady. She had no fucking symptoms at all. She got tested three times. She couldn't believe she had it. She goes, I never felt anything. Nothing happened. I've heard that too. And interestingly, also, one of the things that threw us for a loop was, like I said, we had four negative tests when the COVID outbreak started. So when I hear from everybody, like four people got tested and said were negative, but they were sick. You know what's interesting about the real estate agent too? I think she shows no antibodies, which is really crazy.

Yeah, a year later, a year after having COVID, I don't think her antibodies show up, which is wild. Because she didn't have any symptoms. I wonder if when you don't have any symptoms and you test positive and for whatever reason the virus is just a low viral load on you or whatever it is, your body goes through it. It's enough to test positive but not enough to generate sufficient antibodies. And then I guess not get sick again. I don't know. Maybe you can get sick again. But she was around a bunch of other people that also got sick like in a meeting, a large meeting.

Someone showed up sick. Again, same sort of deal. I also got sick, like in a meeting, a large meeting, someone showed up sick. Again, same sort of deal. I just think regular testing is not a problem. It's not hard to do. I don't think it's infringing upon your rights. And I don't think it's like forcing you to, you know, take some sort of a medical or be involved in some sort of a medical procedure or take medication that could be dangerous for you. It's just testing. This is why, you know, I go on rants periodically on my show where I'm like, why are we still having an argument about the science instead of the policy?

Because for me, if a business says, we're going to give all of our employees vaccination whenever they want, ibuprofen, Tylenol, vitamins, we're going to test you if you want it, a free service provided to your employees, fucking awesome. By the way, ibuprofen is fucking terrible for you. Yeah. That to test you if you want it. A free service provided to your employees? Yeah. Fucking awesome. By the way, ibuprofen is fucking terrible for you. Yeah. That stuff is so bad for your gut.

That's right. It's really bad for you. It causes so much inflammation. My friend Cam Haynes, who runs ultramarathons, he was taking ibuprofen every day. And he was telling me how much he was taking. I'm like, dude, that's a lot. Ibuprofen every day and he was telling me how much he was taking I'm like good dude. That's a lot and then I brought it up to Dr. Rhonda Patrick and she sent me some studies that shows how much

Inflammation that stuff actually causes because it fucks with your gut bacteria doesn't it that he stops taking it He stops taking ibuprofen completely and all the pain that he was taking ibuprofen for went away when he stopped taking it Taking that shit was causing inflammation So taking these non steroidal anti-inflammatory Inflammatories was actually fucking up his gut bacteria and fucking up his body so bad that it was causing pain Wow Doesn't it it prevents your body from producing the mucus lining in your stomach, something like that. Something like that. I don't know. But he was taking 800 milligrams a day.

And I heard about that. I'm like, dude, that is so much. And then I started looking into it. And then I reached out to Rhonda and Rhonda sent me all the studies and the details. I'm like, bro, you got to get off that shit right away. I started doing keto several months ago. Yeah. And you're on keto right now?

Yeah. Really? Yeah. You get tested, uh. Are you on keto right now? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Do you get tested? No. Do you test your ketones? Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll say that, um, I've been following, I've, I've, I'm not a

strict guy. I didn't do this because I was like, I didn't have a one day. It's like, I'm going to do keto. I'm going to chug cream and all that stuff. I just decided sugar's gone. Like sugar is bad. I've, I've known it's a Gluten processed breads, all this stuff. I don't want to just have any more.

And so I've been trying to eat more meat, more fats and more vegetables. And so for the most part, I say keto colloquially, my carb count is near zero. Like it's very, very, very low. I try to do just like a very little bit because I'm not trying to do zero carb or anything like that. I try to do just like a very little bit because I'm not trying to do zero carb or anything like that. I'll just say since cutting out the grains and the sugars, I felt infinitely better. Yeah, it's terrible for you.

Grains and sugars, particularly gluten, gluten, pastas, bread, stuff like that, it's just terrible for inflammation. Sugar is terrible for you. All that stuff is just not good. It's a staple of the American diet. And it's remarkable when you start trying to avoid it when you realize everything. Yeah. But

I started eating a lot more beef too, which is something I've never really done. I used to eat a lot of chicken and fish. You're doing the lion diet? Not really. I mean, I just felt like Jordan Peterson diet. No, none of that. The carnivore, the only beef or whatever. Yeah, I did that for a month. And you liked it, right? Yeah, none of that. The carnivore, the only beef or whatever. Yeah, I did that for a month. And you liked it, right?

Yeah, it was interesting. It gave me ferocious diarrhea for the first two weeks. Like ferocious, do not trust your butthole diarrhea. Whoa. Yeah, like yikes. But that went away. And when that went away, I lost a lot of weight. I lost a lot of body fat.

But it definitely affected my workouts. I didn't have the same pep, but I did have a lot of mental clarity throughout the day. So for normal tasks, my energy levels were very consistent. But in terms of workout stuff, like if I was going to do rounds in the bag or heavy lifting or running, anything that requires a lot of explosive activity, man, I just got tired quicker. I was, I was doing, um, accidentally intermittent fasting, not something I intended to do. I just, I wasn't eating breakfast. So I'd wake up, I would work. And then once I finished with my morning show, I'm like, Oh, it's, you know,

three o'clock I'll eat the one time for the day. But I would get like, we love getting hibachi, you know, three o'clock I'll eat the one time for the day. But I would get like, we love getting hibachi, big old rice and chicken. And I'd pass out right afterwards. I would just be a groggy and fall asleep and then wake up like, I gotta get ready for the show. Cause we do the nightly show and I'm like chugging water, trying to get back. And, and then I would do the show. And then when I started cutting that stuff out, I'm just energized all the time. Yeah. It's the, the, the, this sugar crash, you know, it's the carbohydrate crash, the insulin crash. And that's just a thing that happens when you eat a lot of carbs. But if I eat a lot of carbs now, and I essentially eat the same way, I mostly eat just vegetables and meat. That's most of my diet.

I mean, occasionally I'll have sushi or have something that has rice in it. And occasionally I'll have pasta. If we get get together like a bunch of comics get together and we have like a comedian's meal, we go to Red Ash. It's a fantastic restaurant in town. And we'll all just pig out and, you know, bring plates of pasta and meatballs and lots of stuff with bread and gluten and garlic bread with bone marrow. It's fantastic.

Oh, bone marrow. Oh, my God. Amazing. This Red Ash place is so good. And their bone marrow. It's fantastic. Oh, bone marrow. Oh my God. Amazing. This Red Ash place is so good. And their bone marrow is off the charts. But anyway, I feel like dog shit afterwards. But while I'm doing it, I know what I'm doing. I'm doing it for fun.

And we're all just having a bunch of laughs and getting a bunch of people together. We're driving home. I'm with my buddy Luke Rakowski. And he's like, let's stop at Krispy Kreme. And I said, I will not touch a single Krispy Kreme, but boy, do I want to. And so we pull up and Luke's like, I'm going to get a donut. And I was like, five dozen. No, for real. So Luke's like, okay, we'll get a dozen assorted. And then I'm like, two full glaze, two more full random. And he's like, okay, five dozen. And I bring them back to the house and I look at them. It's incredible. I was like, I will not fall to temptation. The birthday cake, Krispy Kreme, I was staring at it like I wanted to eat it. I didn't do it.

It's so good. Good for you. I didn't do it. I passed the test. I don't eat them very often, but I will eat them. You know what my favorite one is? The one that's got chocolate on the outside and cream on the inside. You know what that one?

I mean, there's a lot of them. Chocolate glazed cream filled, I think it's called. Oh, my goodness. That's a good donut. But I said, I won't eat this, but all of the staff and all of our crew, they thoroughly enjoyed eating those donuts. When I work out afterwards, though, my God, I feel so weak. Like when I have a donut like that and then, uh, or a couple of donuts like that and then I go, okay, I got to burn this off

and then I'll go work out. Like everything is just like groggy and shitty. It's like I poured sand into the gears of my machine. It's like, that's it, man. Avocados, That's it, man. Avocados, heavy cream. And I have this like MCT powder and I just, my mind is blown by, I should have done this sooner, you know, higher fat. And then when I'm exercising, it's just like, I feel 10 years younger. I'm only 35, you know, but like, it's like, man, the coordination, the energy, the clarity feel great. Yeah. Most of what people are eating, especially in terms of bread and pasta and eating so much of it, it's just not good for you. And it's not bad for you all the time. See, the thing about bread and pasta and even some simple sugars is actually not bad to have them

right after exercise because it restores the glucose and the muscles. And it's not the worst thing right afterwards, but you just got to be cognizant of the impact that the food has on your body. And I think as you get older, you start thinking about this stuff more and more. You want to talk a little bit about NAD? Sure. So I take this NAD, right? And I told you just a moment ago how I'm looking at my floor and I can see all the fibers of the carpet. It was like HD vision.

That morning when I woke up when i was like no longer sick i you know i put my my eyes weren't like cured of being nearsightedness but i put in my contacts and then i walk into my kitchen and i could look out the way i instantly just see outside and i felt like it was i was like i could see every leaf i could see every shade every detail i could see like more colors it was the the craziest experience. So my girlfriend also got the NAD stuff and she's like, I don't, I don't notice anything. I think, you know, it's not true. Tim's exaggerating. And then when we come in and we were talking, someone here said, people often say it's like HD vision, right? When you arrive, do you get it? And I was like, aha, like that proves I'm right. That's the control is it was incredible. I felt, I think it has a

different effect on different people. Cause it doesn't do that to me either. The other people who got it didn't say they felt exactly what I felt. But here's what I think. Everybody feels better. Everybody feels better to varying degrees. Like my girlfriend was saying, she was like, I don't really notice much. I've been staring at a computer screen for five years, morning through night. I do the morning show, the night show. And I think what happened is my eyes are strained really bad and they weren't recovering because if I, if I, you know, if every

night I do, you know, X damage and it can only recover Y it's slowly degrading. So tell me what, what your schedule is. You do a morning show and then you do a night show? Yeah, so I wake up at around 7.20. I set my alarm for 7.20, but I always wake up at 7.19 and then turn it off. It's a weird habit, I guess. And then at 8 o'clock, well, I already have a bunch of stories from the previous night that I have in my phone or in my Slack group. So when I wake up in the morning, I immediately get on my phone and go through my news feed. I look at messages and notifications from people. I'm just asking about like your show schedule. Oh yeah, yeah. I record a segment at nine, I publish at 10 a.m.,

1 p.m., 4 p.m., and then we do a two and a half hour recording. Wait a minute, wait a minute. You publish three times a day? You do three podcasts a day? So, yes. Let me break it down. Last year, I was doing six. A day? Six segments uploaded independently, followed by a two and a half hour show. So I do 22 minutes to publish at 10, 22 minutes to publish at 1 p.m., 32 minutes to publish at 4 p.m., and then we're live for two hours, and then we do a half an hour private members-only segment for the website. So when you're doing these different segments, is it essentially just you going over the news? Yeah. The first two are more like a couple stories, and then I just monologue. The third

is more like a bunch of stories that I break down and analyze. And then the IRL show from eight to 10 PM is a live conversation. Do you get overwhelmed by all that fucking information? Do you get overwhelmed by all those conversations? Like all that fucking news? And I recorded my morning show, uh, before coming here. Now we're talking for X amount of hours and I've got to do my two and a half hours tonight as well. I've got a mental issue defect where I talk too much. Whatever. Yeah.

Last year, though, I was doing six segments and the live show. Six a day? Six individual segments followed by— That are how long? So there is 22, 22, 32, and then about 13 13 13 and then your live show and then my live show and the live show is it a recap of all these things with conversations somewhat um there are a lot of so if if i'm doing six segments i have six base stories to go through but there's like 50 stories a day. And so with

Timcast IRL, which is our live show, we kind of just, we flow. Not too dissimilar to this, but more regimented where we know the big story of the days we want to lead with. So tonight it'll be, you know, Rittenhouse stuff, obviously, but then depending on who our guest is. What do you think is going to happen if Rittenhouse gets acquitted? You think they're going to riot? Yes. But why? Who's going to riot? This is the question. Are they rioting because they have a nice excuse to riot?

Is that what it is? Are they rioting? They're angry. But what? Well, I... Is it a refusal to admit the facts of the case? Is it a narrative that's already been projected then by the mainstream news? And here's a question. If the mainstream news has been painting this very distorted perception

of this case, and this is what has affected and influences these people to riot, how much responsibility do they have? A lot. I think there will be a riot, but I don't think it'll be comparable to the george floyd riots it's it's cold out you know it's november and weather that cold but it does if it rains people don't come out uh so having you know um you know i used to go on the ground all the time for this stuff and we knew if there's rain drop your expectation by 80 about who will be there if there's cold the summers are when when everyone's like- Isn't that funny? It's people are, it's convenience.

Fair weather ideology. But I'll tell you in my experience, what I would see for the most part with the riots are people who are angry at life and they found a symbol to represent injustice. Right. And that's, I think that guy who was suicidal and those other guys, these Antifa guys. You're seeing it in a lot of those folks. They're very, they're, for lack of a better term, they're fucking losers, right? They're losers at life, and then they pile on to these causes, and they jump in, and they dye their hair pink, and they light schoolhouses on fire, whatever the fuck they do. are pink and they light schoolhouses on fire, whatever the fuck they do. They're doing this impartial because it gives them an opportunity to rage, to rage against the machine, to rage

against the system, to rage against what they feel like they could describe as injustices, whether or not it's actually an injustice or not. But much like the band, they've now begun to rage on behalf of the machine yeah fuck you do what i tell you that's right i think i was yeah the band it's crazy right like right yeah i went to a skate park when i was a kid i go to the skate park and people are spray painting like the system anarchy whatever i go to the skate park and what i see black lives matter and you know i i was looking at some kids and then i was like isn't it weird that you've got basically like a pro-corporate, friendly, family-friendly corporate slogan? Not really.

It didn't originate as that. Corporations adopted it because it's profitable for them. It's like it's woke capitalism. Right, right. And they do woke capitalism just to signal to the people that are buying their stuff, look, we added a rainbow to our poison. You know, that's all it is. But back in the day, I wouldn't, when they say, fuck the police, spray painted at the skate park,

Walmart's not selling fuck the police stuff. I mean, they might now with, I mean, maybe they had music and stuff that said that, I guess. What is Rage Against the Machine doing now? I don't even think they're still, are they still together? I don't know. Can they get back together? They're performing shows. Well, they will be soon. Does everybody have to be vaccinated at their shows? I don't know. They're performing shows.

They will be soon. Does everybody have to be vaccinated at their shows? I was actually trying to find that. I thought I had read that you do, but they haven't performed yet, so I don't know if that's true. To be fair, though,

it's the mandates, it's the laws, it's the venues. They're also older. You get older, you get scared. You want everybody to be vaccinated. The Offspring really surprised me. I tell you, I guarantee you that that has something to do with the venues.

Because I have friends that are musicians. I'm not talking about the Parada stuff, sorry. That are not vaccinated and they can't perform. They're getting kicked off tours. They can't go to places. I just mean the guitarists, like the singer and the guitarist, how they tweet and their behavior and their pro-establishment, their pro-Democrat. Really? Maybe it's unfair to say it that way, but they're very

anti-Trump in the same vein. Damn, most people in show business are anti-Trump. For sure, for sure. Other than like, what's that guy's name from Stained? Oh, Aaron Lewis. Yeah.

Johnny Rotten? Yeah, Johnny Rotten was pro-Trump. It was hilarious. Well, he recently said it's surprising to see that the, you know, the uptight moral twats were the left or something like that. Yeah. Well, I mean, that just shows you that really what you're dealing with is ideologies more than you're dealing with like a real firm commitment to morals and ethics and an established sort of framework of behavior. Instead of that, it's like these ideologies come along and they're basically like cults. And like, if you're on the left, you support this. And then when someone comes into power that you decide is a fascist, then they can justify all sorts of really nasty ways of communicating about

that person, body shaming that person, attacking that person physically if you find them. They support violence if it suits their needs. And it just shows you what's really going on more than it being their thing. You all right? I got a meme. I got a meme. I'm just getting a meme. Oh, okay. I wanted to read you a meme. I got a meme. I'm just getting a meme. Oh, okay.

I wanted to read you a meme. Okay, go ahead. Read me a meme. So there's a guy. You know the meme where the guy's slowly putting on clown makeup? Yes.

It says, I am an anti-fascist that supports big pharma corporations teaming up with the federal government to finance and distribute a product that is made mandatory by law. Yeah. Is that one of them

double fold phones? Yeah, it's amazing. I love it. You see that? Open it up. Look at that. You got a little tablet now made mandatory by law. Is that one of them double fold phones? Yeah, it's amazing. I love it. Open it up. Look at that. You got a little tablet now. Yeah, no. When I first heard of it. You're one of those anti-Apple people, huh? No. I'm not a big fan of Apple, but I prefer Android for its

customization and flexibility. Literally flexibility, haha. When that phone first came out, the Z Fold, I thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen. However, I'm a tech guy and I usually try out new tech to see what's up. And for somebody who does a lot of business and constantly has to deal with work issues, amazing. Because you can kind of use it as a tablet. Answering texts, phones, making phone calls with it when it's folded.

Can I see it like that? Very easy. And then the text is easy on the phone with it folded because your hand can hold it in one hand and easily text. Like a normal phone. Yeah. But then what if someone says, hey, you forgot to order the thing for the show and then I don't want to be dealing with typing and stuff.

And you know, so I open it up, I go to the site and I got desktop. It's great. Watching movies. The size of it is amazing. It's cool. And it's cool that, and. Yeah, the size of it is amazing. It's cool. And it's cool that... And you don't have a case because you're a rebel. And then I was swatting a bug and I fell in my pocket and then it dropped.

You crack it? You can feel on the bottom edge, the aluminum's all screwed up. Hey, it's aluminum though, so it's fine. Yeah. It's great. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I thought it was fantastic.

It's a great phone. It's expensive though. It's two grand. I wonder what the fuck's going to happen with phones in the future, where they're going to be like these scrollable things where, like, you know, you have like a tube and you just pull it apart and it makes it larger or smaller depending upon what your needs are. There seems like this fold thing. The problem is that middle crease. You don't. Having that weird bump in the middle.

When you're playing videos and stuff, you don't really. It does fade, but it does fade out, but it is there. There's a funny image from, like, the early 1900s of what the future is going to be like and one of them one of the comics uh pictures is firefighters with mechanical wings flying and spraying a hose on a burning building the interesting thing about how we perceive the future is that we can only perceive it based on what we already know. Right. So no one, actually, some people did predict cell phones, but for the most part, people, if you look at like Demolition Man, the movie, in the future, pay phones had video screens. Whereas in reality, in the future, we just have the summation of human knowledge and a camera

in our pocket. Yeah. We can't really predict the breakthroughs that'll happen and how we develop. So. No, I mean, even Star Trek didn't predict the internet. They did predict tablets though. Yeah, they did. That was amazing. That was the second version of Star Trek though, right? Yeah, the next generation. They were walking around

with tablets. Yeah, but that kind of makes sense. Like a digital clipboard. Tablets kind of make sense. And the voice activation computer. Yeah, computer. Yeah. You know, when I had my Alexa, I thought it would be funny because you can set it to activate when you say computer. They allow you to do that.

And it was the biggest mistake I ever made. Why? Because people sometimes say the word computer and then the thing won't shut the fuck up. Oh, no. I'm like, I'm watching a movie and then someone's like computer and then it's like. So it doesn't just have to say Alexa. You can say anything you want it to. I think there's a few key phrases you can program.

Can you just call it fuck face? Hey, fuck face. I don't know about that. And then just ask it. What's the weather? What weather what's the weather you know my problem with it is it talks to me too much i'll say you know alexa what time you know what's the weather and it'll go it is 67 degrees and sunny by the way did you know and then i start yelling shut the fuck up bitch yeah like i ask you a question and you speak what's spoken to do you feel that this intrusion that technology has in your life, do you feel like there's obviously a great benefit that we all enjoy

from the technological innovations, but do you feel like it intrudes in your life? Do you feel like it's gotten to the point where you want to take active measures to try to disconnect yourself in some way? No, no. But I did just watch Almost Famous. Have you seen that movie? Yeah. 1973. I never wanted to live in 1973 more. Oh, it was about 1973. Yeah. No phones. No social media. Well, that was an interesting movie, right? Because it was about a journalist that was following a guy who was a- A rock band.

Yeah. And he's 15. The journalist is 15? Yeah. I guess it's basically about Cameron Crowe writing for Rolling Stone. He's 15. He stumbles into this tour with this band. What was the band supposed to be based on? I don't think any real band.

It was like an amalgam of Led Zeppelin and stuff like that. It was called Stillwater. I just watched it on the plane flying out here. And I see this kid who's a journalist who's writing, taking notes down. And I was like,

that world is gone. The mystery is gone. You know, I remember when I was a kid, I'd be like, you know, I'd call my friend's house. He wouldn't answer.

So I'd cross the alley down the street, go to his house, knock on the door, no answer. And I'd be like, he's gone. And I'd not see him. Now we just know everything all the time and it sucks.

Well, it's different. Right. That's a better way to put it. It's definitely different because there was a lot of limitations to living that way too. You know, like you have more information, you understand how the world works more. And I think back then propaganda was so easy to pull off. It's so much more difficult to pull off now. It's so much more difficult to trick cynical people that have been burned before. And we just know too much about how the world works now.

It's true. But you know what I miss? I was thinking back to the 1200s. And there's some dude leaving his wood log cabin in the winter with a sword and a satchel, and he comes across a small but angry bear, and he scares it off, and the whole thing takes place in 20 seconds. He goes back to the local eatery with the other people, and he goes, a great beast attacked me, and he describes this giant monster, and they draw a picture of a dragon, and there's intrigue, and there's mystery, and there's fear. But like, you know, reading these stories about the unknown, Mothman and Bigfoot, I want the mystery. I want the experience.

Oh, you like bullshit. Absolutely, dude. I live in a world of facts and news stories and verifying. But I love the UFOs. I love the unknown. I want to discover. But it feels like, and this is partially a misplaced feeling. It feels like we live in a world where discovery is, is, is so much harder because information is so rapid through

social media. We learn it instantly. The truth is there's still a lot of things that are secret. There's still a lot of mystery that goes on and a lot to discover, but it's not the same as when I'm watching this movie in 1973 and you get this guy in the band, he stands on a garage, tripping on acid and he goes, I am a golden God. And they all scream. And then he jumps in the pool. Those things would just be on TikTok. It's just, we know it happens. And the worst part is it encourages kids to do stupider and crazier shit instead of being this one magical moment that only that, that people have seen, but you can then write down and then you can show people and say, here's the story. That seems so cool to me.

Well, there's something cool about mystery. There's something cool about the idea of this nostalgic time of like living in a time where there was no cell phones and you could barely fax things. I lived it. You're older than I am, but I remember being a teenager and getting my first cell phone, Candy Bar Nokia, and being able to text people changed everything. Yeah. But if you were back in that time in 1973 and someone showed you what it's like to live in 2021, you'd be like, fuck yeah, sign me up. Because this way is bullshit. This way with no internet and no HD video and no video on demand and no ability to talk to your car

and say, navigate to Terry Black's barbecue. Like, all that shit is amazing. I just had some of that. It's pretty good. It's amazing. Or being able to summon your car. Yeah. All those things are incredible.

You know, the Teslas are like, come to me. Well, just the Tesla itself. I mean, I have the new one. I have the plaid. You got the plaid? Oh, my God. It's a fucking spaceship. Isn't it like...

The other one was a spaceship. I had the Model S before that, which was an amazing car. And this is the Model S Plaid. My lease is up, and so I got another one. You leased it? Yeah. That's probably a better idea, I guess. I bought...

I think I have a Model 3. I'm not sure. I don't even know if I leased it. I'm being honest with you. I think I did. But my point is that this new car is fucking insane. It's fucking insane. It goes zero to 60 in 1.9 seconds.

It's so fast. It doesn't make sense. The other one didn't make sense. The last one was 2.5 seconds. This is a full almost, yeah, six-tenths of a second. Somewhere in that range. Faster. Zero to 60, which is so fast. And when I merge into traffic, it's like it's effortless.

It's like it time travels. It does, and it does it so silently. That's what's so crazy. I got the stupidest motorcycle you could get. What'd you get? Have you heard of the Zero? No. I got the, and I'm not, I think it's a wonderful, wonderful, amazing thing.

I'm saying it's stupid. It's the Zero SRS. It goes like zero to 60 in a couple seconds, but it is quiet, as quiet can be. So it's electric? It's an electric motorcycle. They call it the Tesla of motorcycles. But it's slower than my car. Probably.

I mean, it might be faster. I'm not sure. But the plaid is like the cream of the crop, the top of the top. We're talking about 130K for that vehicle. This thing costs 20K. Now, here might be faster. I'm not sure. But the plaid is like the cream of the crop, the top of the top. We're talking about $130,000 for that vehicle. This thing costs $20,000. Now, here's the problem. It's so quiet. Goes about 30 miles? Oh, no, no, no. It goes 100 and something. Really? And for a motorcycle, that's pretty good. And then you can hook it up to a supercharger. I think it's like a Type 2 charger or something like that. But it's a commuter vehicle. You're not going to go on road trips like a chopper or something, but it's quiet. So when I'm driving, no one can hear me or see me.

So they don't know you're coming. So they could change lanes and run into you. Exactly. Especially people that are texting. Exactly. That's the thing they say about motorcycles. Loud pipes save lives. Yes. Harleys and stuff like that. People are much more aware. That's right. I talked to a bunch of motorcycle people and they said the reason we do it loud

is because people are going to hit you. And it's like a really high rate of people getting hit. It's bullshit. So when I pull up in front of my house on the zero and everyone just goes, whoa, I didn't even hear you coming. Holy shit. It's like, imagine what the cars are thinking.

You're driving around in West Virginia where everybody's on pills. Yeah, opioids, man. Do you ever see the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia? No. Yeah, opioids, man. Do you ever see The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia? No. No? Uh-uh. Oh, my God.

You are in for a treat. It's one of the great documentaries of all time. Oh, all right. I think it was, what's his face? Johnny... Yeah, Dickhouse Productions. What's his name? Johnny Knoxville.

Johnny Knoxville. Johnny Knoxville from Jackass. He produced it. And it's got Hank Williams III is in it. And it is a documentary about an outlaw family, the Whites of West Virginia. Oh, cool. Oh, their name is White. Oh, my God. It's so crazy. It is such a crazy place. I love West Virginia, man. Do you?

It's beautiful. You got constitutional carry. I mean, they say there's a lot of drugs, but I've none of it well you gotta go to the trailers i mean i'll ask around i suppose yeah yeah i've i mean i've driven around um and been deep into west virginia there's it's i've seen recreation i've seen mountain climbing kayaking beautiful landscapes forests bicycle riding in these you know and i just think it's beautiful it's beautiful it's inexpensive good people um they believe in liberty and personal responsibility it's a great it's a great place good restaurants oh let me think yeah um that's a no well i'm from chicago right and this is the thing for me i'm spoiled i lived in new york i lived in chicago and i can tell you about some some some great restaurants in the big cities right the thing for me, I'm spoiled. I lived in New York, I lived in Chicago, and I can tell you about some great restaurants

in the big cities. The thing about West Virginia is we've got trailers on the side of the road. And some of the best brisket I've ever had is on the side of the road in Virginia. So I'm in the tri-state, but in Virginia there's this place, it's called Page's Rest Stop or something like that,

and it's like a little farm stand. And they have a trailer with barbecue. It is massively thick cut, moist, delicious brisket, some of the best I've ever had. So when we're getting food, there's some local places. I'm not going to pretend it's the best in the world. But it's good enough. That's what you're saying. But it's pretty damn good. But do you like the fact that it's a lower population density, people are nicer? That's one of the things that I really love about Texas. Particularly Austin. It's just not that big a city.

And I think there's something that happens to people when you have cities that are overflowing with population where people get annoyed at each other. I agree. You know, I would say I live in an area full of right-wing nutjobs. And I mean that somewhat. But you're a far-right podcaster i

heard so they say i read that online i think i think the definition of far right and far left has obviously changed to mean something doesn't mean anything anymore right they just say that of them want to discredit you they don't say it because it means something i say right-wing nutjob more as a joke because they're all trump supporters right This one guy's got a big banner and it says, drain the swamp, bring your boots, and it points to DC. Yeah. There's a guy near my house that had a honk if you love Trump. And I would honk when I drove by just to make my kids angry.

My daughter gets so mad. Stop doing it. Don't. I go, come on. It's the country. We're just here supporting the country. Does she think someone's going to see that you support Trump? No, she doesn't think I support Trump. It's a joke. We're just here supporting the country. Does she think someone's going to see that you support Trump? She doesn't think I support Trump.

It's a joke. She thinks it's funny. She just thinks it's funny that I am honking while I'm passing by this car like he thinks. Yeah, someone supports Trump. But she fucking, you know, look, when she first came here and she went to school, the school's a very left-wing leading school. We hate Trump. But it was interesting to me because I go, what do you hate about him? She goes, I think he's ugly and stupid.

I go, okay. This is like all 12-year-old things, you know? Yeah. It's the kind of conversation I have with her. It's not like she understands his policies or detrimental to the country. Well, what you should respond with to really help your daughter out is, yeah, well, I think Biden is ugly and stupid. Well. I'm kidding.

He's old and fucked up. What's he taking all that Hunter Biden stuff, man? That was one of the weirder things about censorship during the election is the laptop thing. I did. That laptop thing, that is an egregious example of censorship by the tech companies. This is why they'll call me far right. Because I've said if the Republicans win in 2022, they should immediately impeach Joe Biden. He should be impeached, convicted, removed. And I can tell you exactly why. What crimes? Well, abusive power,

violating the Constitution as it pertains to the eviction moratorium and the vaccine mandates. But that's we'll put that aside because it's very, very charged. How about we talk about the Burisma scandal, where there are a dozen active investigations by Viktor Shokin. I'm maybe a little bit too in the weeds on this one. The Ukrainian prosecutor is investigating an energy company in Ukraine called Burisma. Joe Biden's son is placed on the board questionably, like what does he have to do with energy companies? There's also a former CIA guy who's on the board, by the way. Joe Biden goes to Ukraine and personally meets with the president and says, if you want a billion dollars in aid, fire the prosecutor. Now, he claims and the mainstream story is that it's because the prosecutor wasn't investigating the corruption of a man named Mykola Zlotchevsky, who founded Burisma. However, Zlotchevsky, when Trump gets into power, flees.

And when Biden comes back in, returns. Or it was something to that effect. It's been a long time since I've gone through the story. We have a quid pro quo definitively, as they stated it. So, on that alone, I'd say impeach the guy. But with the Hunter Biden laptop, we're now getting images of Joe Biden meeting with Hunter and his associates. We're now getting direct confirmation, or should say at the very least, communications claiming that Hunter and Joe share bank accounts. Yeah, that's weird, man. Sharing a bank account with your dad. And then there's also the transcripts that say that he had to kick up

money to the big guy. That's exactly it. I think regular people don't understand high-level finance like this. And I mean this with all due respect. I'm not trying to disparage working-class people. high-level finance like this. And I mean this with all due respect. I'm not trying to disparage, you know, working-class people. But there's one reason why a politician would share a bank out with his son. And that politician, Joe Biden, flew his son to China on Air Force Two for a private equity deal with China. And upon arriving and having this meeting, they received a $5 million forgivable loan. Fact check me on all this stuff, guys. It's been a long time. Forgivable loan, meaning you just default on it? Yeah. If there's a certain criteria met, you don't own the money anymore. Now, if that money

goes into Hunter Biden's bank account, but Joe has access to it, you've got a tax problem right there, don't you? Look, I've tried to help out my family and I've talked to my accountant and said, you know, let me know to what extent I can provide for my family, my brother, sister, family, whatever. And my accountant's like, you got to pay taxes on all of it. There's no just buying stuff for somebody. I'm like, then how does Hunter Biden share a bank account with his dad, take in millions of dollars? Hmm. I wonder. Well, when you're that powerful, you don't have to worry about it. The darkness of that is one thing, but the fact that the media covered it because they knew that it would be damaging to Biden's campaign, that's where things get scary.

Because of the, and when I say the media, it's not really, the media definitely didn't cover it. CNN definitely didn't cover it, but they censored people discussing it on, and they censored the New York Post, one of the oldest newspapers in the country. They censored them because they had a legitimate news story from a legitimate newspaper about that laptop. That's right. And Twitter said the reason was we won't allow hacked materials to be distributed. Sorry. But when it comes to James O'Keefe's private legal communications, however, the New York Times actually got it. Twitter's fine with that. That's different.

It's a fucking weird time, man. You know, I think it's just these partisan people and these ideologically influenced people. And I did just so rigid in their ideologies, left or right. But I don't think it has to do with politics in the in the in the true sense. I think it has to do with tribe. Yeah, it's cult. It's cult-like thinking. That's why they're willing to pretend that Biden is a good president. The fact that he has a 38% approval rate is not shocking to me. The fact that 38% of them think he's doing a great job is terrifying.

Let's break that down. Let me start by asking a question. How would you rate the state of the economy? It's not good, but there's a lot of factors. There's certainly the shipping crisis. Certainly there's a shortage on a lot of things. The manufacturing sector that has been shipped overseas is shown to be a huge problem when it comes to things like chips for cars. And there's a lot of things you can't buy right now that you used to be able to buy very easily and quickly. Would you say fairly bad or very bad? Fairly bad. I would not say it's

very bad. Very bad is like a Great Depression. So Democrats, in the majority, believe the economy is actually good, fairly good. Why? I don't know. What's their metric? For what is good? What are they basing it on? So you can actually see, this is interesting. During Trump's presidency, the Democrats believe, Democratic voters are polled, and this is from Civics.

They believed that the economy was fairly good into the pandemic. As the economy got worse, Democrats start to feel the economy wasn't doing too well. So under Trump, it was, you know, kind of fair. It was like, well, you know, we don't like Trump, but the economy is doing all right. But then it tanks off through the pandemic. But when Biden gets elected, it spikes back up again. From now, it appears it's mostly tribal. back up again. From now, it appears it's mostly tribal. Independent voters say the economy is fairly bad or very bad. Republicans say the economy is very bad or fairly bad. So when you take a look at polling, when you take a look, whether it's economic, whether it's Black Lives Matter, whether it's support for the president or the vice president, moderates and Republicans are very, very similar.

But Democrats are mirror images of both. I mean, an inverted image. It's different. It's the other side. That says to me, you know, you take a look at Virginia, you take the election, the young kid, you take a look at New Jersey. I think independent voters, actually, I'm gonna pause real quick. Pew Research put out a political tribes study, and they found that there is the ambivalent right, which is where they categorize you or I, then there's like the democratic... How am I ambivalent right? I'm left-wing on everything except for gun control. right are not conservative or they tend not to be. They're actually fairly progressive on a lot of issues, but critical of Democrats opposing the establishment left makes you the opposite, I guess. But hold on. There's an interest. Centrist makes you right now. That's true. That's crazy. But here's the point I want to make. They have a group called the

stressed sideline, which is considered not left or right. However, the majority of those in what's considered the stressed sideline are center right. So when they plot them on a map from zero, then left and zero and then right, the middle of the road people who are not politically active are center right. What that means is moderates, independents, Republicans, liberty minded individuals are probably leaning towards right-leaning politicians and ideas and away from Democrats. So I think it says a lot for what's to come, but I also think it says that Democrats are tribal in their positions. What I'm hoping is that people realize the pitfall in being tribal, and then more and more people

move to more of a kind of a centrist mentality because that's where I think most people lie. Most people's beliefs are a conglomeration of both sides. Most people are in the center. I agree. I agree. Except you. You're far right.

Apparently. I got to wrap this up. All right, man. Tim Pool, you're the fucking man. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Good to see you healthy and fun to be on your podcast yesterday. Thanks for helping my medical issues.

Well, I'm a doctor. I don't know if you... That was trending on Twitter, Dr. Thanks for helping my medical issues. Well, I'm a doctor. I don't know if that was trending on Twitter, Dr. Joe Rogan. All right. Bye, everybody.