The Joe Rogan Experience - #1740 - Jocko Willink

Episode Date: November 26, 2021

Jocko Willink is a decorated retired Navy SEAL officer, author, and host of "The Jocko Podcast." His new novel, "Final Spin," is available now.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Jocko. What's up, man? How many of those you got? I got enough. You got how many more? You got one for me?

I do indeed. Give me one of them. Those are good. You want orange or sour apple? Orange. Jocko Go You want orange or sour apple? Orange. Jocko Go? What's in these things? A little bit of goodness.

It's got a little bit of caffeine in it, 95 milligrams, like a cup of coffee. It's got thermobromine, B6, B12. What's thermobromine? It's got stuff that helps you open up your capillaries and allow more blood flow to your system oh it's tasty oh this is nice an origin makes this too yeah I like it you're making all kinds of shit we're making all kinds of your boots are excellent well thank you two pairs of them nice yeah I got a text from Pete and he sends me a text and it says you know it's got an address. It says Joseph Rogan.

And he goes, is this Joe's address? And I go, yep. And you had ordered them at the beginning of COVID. And so he sends me this text and I go, when was this ordered? And he's like, he's all embarrassed. He's like, I don't know, three months ago. I'm like, bro, stat. Get a brother his damn boots.

They're solid. They're very nice Handcrafted boots like you feel it when you pick them up you like this is a real Handmade boot because it is legitimately a handmade boot You got to break them in you know you wear them for a few days and break them in It's nice They're nice if you ever get a chance to go to Maine and see some of the machines that are used to make these boots there You know the alien statue you just got yeah

They look like that they legitimately look that just millions of these little parts that hold the leather and pull it and put and then a Big machine comes in and rips and it's I was watching a documentary. Yeah, I was watching something that was on Instagram Yeah, where they were talking about all the different stuff that they make and you know debating not you have to have a rivet on a jean or some other kind of thing. We're breaking it down, man, and bringing that stuff back because we almost lost it. We're like a generation away from losing that knowledge. Yeah. But we're bringing it back. Yeah.

American manufacturing has taken a gigantic hit over the last, what, 30 years plus? It's been awful. It's weird, man. It's weird when the pandemic hit and you find out that almost everything is made overseas, all of our medicine, all of our computer chips. Like Cam Haynes is trying to buy a Raptor and could not find one. And I talked to John Hennessy, and John Hennessy was like, it's a chip thing. You can't get chips because all the chips are coming from overseas. I'm like we don't make any chips We're gonna have to do something about that. Yeah, we can't continue to just rely on

Especially on China right rely on a on a communist country that's suppressing their people Yeah, and yet we're relying on them. And that's what when the pandemic hit for us at origin we already had the all-american supply chain so we were able to continue to do stuff and make stuff happen while a bunch of other companies were scrambling because they just didn't have that supply chain worked out do you see what's going on with China with that female tennis star yeah yeah Jamie see if you pull that story up it's uh this this woman apparently she uh said that she was sexually abused by some politician correct yeah and then did you see like the hostage note that she wrote no i didn't oh so she wrote a note that says

hello world i am fine everything is okay if you want to print anything else about me please run it through me everything is okay i am fine i mean i'm paraphrasing but super weird super weird the kind of the kind of thing that you write when someone's holding a gun to your head and it was just a note it wasn't a video it was yeah it's a note it's a it's a document you know an electronic document bro they ghost people over there oh oh for oh for sure. There is where is I say your name Peng Shui Pengshui China's 10 100% sure on that too Shua I disappears after accusing government official of sexual assault Wow

disappears after accusing government official of sexual assault. Wow. Mm-hmm. Spooky shit. But there was something where the United States Tennis Association said that they were willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business with China if she doesn't show up again. Here it is, the Women's Tennis Association. In all society's behavior, she alleges took place

needs to be investigated, not condoned or ignored. We commend Peng Shui. It is definitely 100%. Oh, really? No, I'm not sure. For her remarkable courage and strength in coming forward, women around the world. So there was someone recently, some tennis organization recently, I believe it was today, said something that they were going to boycott playing and doing business with China until she shows up. There's the letter. Hello, everyone. This is Peng Shui. Sorry.

Okay. What happened? Oh, here it goes. Regarding the recent news released on the official website of WTA, the content has not been confirmed or verified by myself, and it was released without my consent. The news in that release, including the allegation of sexual assault, is not true. I'm not missing, nor am I unsafe. I've just been resting at home and everything is fine

thank you again for caring about me oh jesus christ right i hope at the last part i hope to promote chinese tennis with all of with you all if i have the chance in the future if i have the chance i hope chinese tennis will become better and better. Fuck. I mean, the fact that we're buying stuff from that country and then we buy so much from that country and we know there's human rights abuses going on over there. We know it. It's a fact.

Oh, it's definitely a fact. You know, I got shadow banned recently on some of the social media sites and how do you know? So a bunch of people there's two two ways I know a bunch of people started it started a little while ago people saying hey. I can't find you I tried to search for you. You're not as parent in my what's it called feed You're not I'm not seeing my feed and then finally people started sending me videos of they'd search for Search for at Jocko Willink and it wouldn't pop up I mean you

wouldn't see my you wouldn't see my my I'm trying to search for you right now let's see if I can get you well it's been healed up oh really so one way I knew was because of that the other way I knew is because uh friends with insider information people that are on the inside of these organizations but you know and I wasn't really a hundred I was trying to think why why would I get why would I get shadow banned right it didn't make a lot of sense to me I don't I mean look I put pictures of sweat and my watch and your watch so but on my podcast sometimes I'll go a little bit hard sometimes and or I'll at least talk about some subjects that maybe some people aren't too happy about. I did one about the, the, the, the Chinese, what they're doing with the Uyghurs and basically, you know, it's genocide of sorts

going on with the Uyghurs, which is like a, uh, uh, an ethnic group in China, Muslim ethnic group. They're there and they're getting, yeah, they're getting wiped out. Shipped off into camps. Shipped off into camps. No one knows what's happening to them. Yep, yep. No accountability. So that was one. Then I did another podcast with a friend of mine, Daryl Cooper, and we were talking about, and there's another guy named Brian Suits, and we were talking about these movies, these Chinese movies that are out right now,

and they're some of the most popular movies in the world. And one of them's called Wolf Warrior, in the world. And one of them is called Wolf Warrior and the other one's called Wolf Warrior 2. And there, you can, you can see these, you can, you can Google them, but they're, they're these propaganda films where like the Chinese Wolf Warrior, this is a pack of sort of elite Chinese commandos and they fight Americans and the Americans that they fight generally are Navy SEALs so and and Like the closing scene. I haven't watched the whole movies, but the closing scene. I think it's a wolf warrior 2 is this Chinese hero fighting against this Navy SEAL American

Like hand-to-hand combat and by the way, they're fighting to free these there's other people that are kind of in cages Looking on and it's the Chinese Individuals fighting for the for the glory and for the freedom of these other people and the American is fighting for some big corporate greed scenario Yeah, it's very strange. There it is that frank grillo yep frank grillo's in wolf warrior he's in wolf warrior too frank what are you doing and they they sort of end up just having a battle i mean they end up deciding just go mano y mano with no weapons, but then Frank Grillo cheats and stabs him and whatever. So the American cheats.

Of course. Is the Chinese guy doing kung fu or is he fighting normal? It seems like he's got a little bit of kung fu in there. He's throwing sidekicks. This is, yeah, he's completely doing kung fu. Yeah, look, he's got a little Wing Chun in there. Oh, boy. Yeah. look, he's got a little wing chung in there. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Oh, now it's personal. Oh, he takes the vest off. Oh, here we go. With that little thing around his neck. I forget there's some backstory that that guy might have killed someone. Oh, there you go. Oh, Frank Grillo supposedly killed an innocent Chinese lady. Is that your girl?

Oh blood blood for blood so this is like their big movie is their big movies and and So so they're they're they're making propaganda films anti-american propaganda films and and the thing that's scary about this is You know China is thinking very strategically about things yeah they're thinking about how to defeat america in 20 years or 25 years and that's what they're thinking about that's what they're planning for that's why they're making films like this and what is america thinking about we're thinking about the next election cycle that's what we America thinking about? We're thinking about the next election cycle. That's what we're thinking about. Yeah.

Oh, stabbed him in the eyeball? He's dead. Mm. Now he's going to say something mean to him. He says. That's fucking history, somebody said? Okay. What's crazy is that they're making anti-American propaganda films,

and we are making films that are run through the Chinese government to make sure that certain things aren't offensive. That's what's scary. They're changing Marvel Comics characters. You know that? Like Doctor Strange? What are they changing?

Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange was a physician who had this accident and then went and studied with this Tibetan mystic and developed all these supernatural powers, right? China doesn't believe in Tibet. Doesn't believe Tibet should have any freedom. So instead of a Tibetan mystic, it's a woman and she's got a shaved head and it's a white

woman. So this is his mystic now. Instead of it being a Tibetan mystic. It's some white lady They changed the fucking origin story of the comic book. Yeah, well, they got China. They got another movie. That's coming out that's about the chosen reservoir and You know this famous battle in the Korean War where America got surrounded and and had to fight their way out It eventually came back and and fought and you know settled on the the 38th parallel But in the movie, it's this just total glory for China, you know sending the Americans back to the sea

They changed they they're like you said they're changing history and they're trying to set us up but what they're setting us up for is A lot they're thinking long term. They're thinking about 20 years from now, how are they going to be able to defeat us? And as we see all the time, one of the ways that they are moving to defeat us is by dividing us. That's the goal. Get into our social media

and try and cause as much division as possible. And it works. It's amazing how well it works. And Russia is doing it as well Russia and China There's so many of these pages that you know I had Tristan Harris on the other day from that movie the social dilemma Yeah, and we were talking about it and he said there's there was an article that came out 19 of the top 20 Christian pages on Facebook were run by troll farms

So 19 of these that are like calling for action, we've got to do this. We got to take back this and saying crazy shit and preposterous shit and, and you know, stirring up trouble. 19 of them were run by troll farms. That is so disturbing. Yeah. It's so disturbing. Like I said, it's working. Yeah. It's absolutely working. Look at what happens any time any thing that's slightly divisive Or you might have a different opinion than me We just start getting stuck in our own echo chamber and everything gets crazy and I hate you now And that's part of why it happens when part of his human nature, but it's all accentuated

It's gasoline on the fire by whether it's Russia or China. I think a lot of these The Christian pages were from Macedonia. And it's a business. I mean, the business is let's fuck with democracy because whatever they have in America, it's too open and too loose and they don't have dictatorial control, not real control. They're trying. I mean, the collusion between the media and the government is pretty apparent, especially the leftwing media and left-wing government It's pretty fucking apparent that there's there's some narratives that get shared back and forth and they have talking points And they don't talk about things. They're not supposed to like the hunter Biden laptop story or something

That's actual news just gets crazy Crazy crazy story because if that was the Donald Trump jr. Laptop, holy fucking shit Would that lead every night? I mean this whole Russia collusion story has turned out to be completely nonsense That's insane. Yeah, that's insane That was three and a half years the American public was getting beat down with the Russia collusion thing and it wasn't real and it was It was created. It was created by the Democratic Party. Maybe that's not the exact thing,

but it was created by people that were insiders in the Democratic Party. Yeah, and no one's being held accountable. No one's going to jail for it. But they were trying to literally impeach Trump for some shit that they made up. But it's, look, Trump's not a perfect guy. This is not a pro-Trump speech. I think it's safe to say Trump's not a perfect guy. This is not a pro-Trump speech.

I think it's safe to say Trump is not a perfect guy. But this fucking, this thing that he kept saying about the deep state, it's real. It's 100% real. The swamp is real. The swamp is definitely real. They're fucking real monsters. And they were really trying to get rid of them by lying. Like, they were not spending their time trying to make the government work efficiently and make the country a better place

for everyone and prop up the middle class. No, they were trying to regain power and they got it with a dead man. They got a dead man running. By the way, Kamala Harris is the president today. You know that? Oh, is he out of commission for a while? Yeah. He's getting his butthole checked. So the reason why a woman became the very first acting president in the history of this country is because a man had a problem with his asshole. That's what's going on today. That's freaking horrible. Today, for people, this is coming out next week.

For people listening, today's November 19th. The Rittenhouse verdict was read today. And surprisingly, no riots, right? No riots yet? Well, riots right no riots yet well it's early a it's early and b it's a bummer it's not a good call to to make that call make that verdict release on friday afternoon because now you got a bunch of people sitting around on the weekend going what are we going to do i think to their, there have been a lot of left-wing people that have actually read the transcripts and actually paid attention to the true story instead of just the media narrative.

And there's a lot of people like Anna Kasparian and Glenn Greenwald's been on top of it from the beginning, but a lot of people have gotten the word out that the version of the story that most people are just spouting out, the headline version, without reading the actual meat of the story itself, is not accurate at all. This kid's not a white supremacist by any stretch of the imagination. He was kind of playing cop, kind of playing EMT,

and he was fucking 17. Going there, and he did apparently provide aid and help a bunch of people, and at multiple occasions was chased and pulled the rifle out, and when they retreated, he didn't shoot. It was only when he was attacked, he was hit with a skateboard, someone pulled a gun on him. That's when he shot people. I mean, it was all very reasonable.

Maybe not reasonable that a 17-year-old shows up with a fucking gun to riots, but in his mind, this is where his family's from, and apparently he wanted to help. But their version of it that they were selling to the media, and the fucking president said it, that he's a white supremacist. Jen Psaki recently said the president does not condone vigilantism. That kid was in no way, shape, or form a vigilante. He was not a vigilante. He was not a vigilante.

He was armed, but he was protecting himself. And it turned out that actually he needed it. They actually chased him down. Whether they chased him down because he had a gun, I don't fucking know. But they definitely were fucking chasing him. They definitely hit him with a skateboard. They definitely knocked him to the ground. So maybe enough of the actual story got out where it doesn't seem like a thing to riot for because a lot of people also thought he shot black people they thought he went down there

when people found out it was white people and then when they found out it was fucking pedophiles that this guy was a straight up one of the guys he shot straight up fucking pedophile child rapist just terrible person the other guy rap sheet big old rap sheet one guy a bunch of his fucking shit was exonerated six days before the trial like what are you doing so maybe all that information got out to the point where people are hey guys this is not the hill to die on this ain't the one i certainly like your positive positive attitude about this. I was actually checking out Twitter before I rolled in here. And there are people that are going completely insane right now. And the narrative that you just put out, they didn't hear any of it.

They only heard the other narrative, which is that this guy, you know, what's the law? There's certain parts of the line here. You know, this was had an illegal gun traveled across state lines and shot and murdered two people who were there to protect and support black lives that that's that's what That's what a lot of people are saying right now Yeah, so I would love it if Joe Rogan is right right now and that people are going, Hey, you know what? Let's, let's get a little bit more nuanced. Let's study this. Here's the thing though. Those people on Twitter, how many of those people are real people?

How many of those fucking people aren't trolls? Look, a lot of them might be trolls. A lot of them are trolls. Okay. A lot of them are trolls, but there's also real people in there and there's people that get swayed by this stuff and and when you you know Look, don't you talk to some people sometimes? That you realize they are watching a different movie than you 100% and and it's almost like You're the crazy one. Oh, yeah, you're sitting there going like everything. You just rattled off about Kyle Rittenhouse There are people that I know and probably people that you know too, that are absolutely think everything you just said is the most insane right wing alt right freaking load of white power propaganda that they've ever heard in their life. I have to meet

with some tonight. I think, I think my wife's friends tonight when I'm after, after I leave here, I'm going to have to have drinks with my wife and her friends. And I have a feeling that I'm going to have to go, well, that's not real. And this is actually, I'm going to have to show my phone a bunch of times, pass it around. And they're going to look at you. Here's what sucks about social media, too, is the chances of you convincing maybe some of your wife's friends tonight, maybe you have an okay chance of maybe a little bit, depending on how dug in they are. The chances of someone on social media convincing someone else that, oh, you know what? I see your point. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Almost zero. It's almost zero. It's almost zero. Has anybody ever fucking said, oh, you're right no social media never happens Yeah, I don't even says that no says you know what good call Yeah, I actually I see what you're I see where you're coming from yeah, no one says that at all no And that's one of the problems. That's why we're seeing so much divisiveness in America right now is There's the ego gets involved yeah, and the the social media accentuates the ego ego and it's all about dunking on people and

No one listens to what anybody else says and you know from a leadership perspective This is something I've been talking about for the past couple years from a leadership perspective When you're in a leadership position a lot of times from a traditional what people imagine a leader to be It's the person that's standing up on a pedestal and telling everyone what to do and putting out the word but the real leader a real leader spends most of their time actually listening to what's going on and listening to input from the team and seeing how they perceive things and and understanding what they think the team should do and then occasionally making a suggestion or pointing in a direction or asking an earnest question about the way we think we should do it. And then the team goes, oh, yeah, cool.

You know, when I was in charge of SEALs, the best missions that we would execute, the smoothest missions that we would execute that I was overall in charge of, I wouldn't say anything on that operation other than execute execute execute so when we pull up in vehicles or Start a foot patrol and get to a target the only thing I'd have to say is you know execute execute execute And then I would just kind of sit back the external security team would get in position The the breach team would go over the wall and set up the breach the assault team would get in there They'd clear the target. They'd grab the bad guys. They'd marshal them up. They'd search the area. I didn't have to say anything. I'd have to say anything new their job They knew their jobs And so all I was doing was listening to make sure that everyone had the support that they needed so a lot of times we think in perspective of oh I

Want to talk and that leads very closely with our ego into I know everything and I'm sitting there again Unfortunately reading Twitter before coming in there people are making these freaking statements that they have no business making and they make another thing that Twitter does and is the only way I'm gonna get any recognition the only ones and the only way anyone's gonna see me or listen to me is if I say something so extreme that's so over the top that it causes a reaction. I don't care if you love it or hate it. Cause if you love it, you're retweeted. If you hate it, you're still going to retweet it, but you're going to put your response in there and it's going to get, it's going to get me more likes and more traction.

And it's disturbing. Yeah. It's, it's a dumb way to communicate. And that's why I don't participate. I gave up participating on, in Twitter conversations years ago. I was like, oh, I see what this is. This is not healthy. It's not smart. It's not an interesting way to exchange information. I read things like stories that people post, like things like interesting news stories,

interesting articles on science. I follow a lot of fascinating people, and sometimes I'll post up cool shit that's what I'll check it for I don't ever look at my mentions I just don't even go it's not not worth it well there's so many people that get sucked into that yeah and there's so many people that that's their that's their world and that's where they're getting satisfaction it's it's it's very sad yeah it's not good for you I tell comics all the time you just stay out of there it's not good for you just post and all the time you just stay out of there it's not good

for you just post and ghost the first post and get the fuck out of there the first time i was on your podcast which was that was a while ago many years how long you been doing your podcast now six years so that's how long it's been six years ago in six years uh but i remember you're like hey man i think even then you're like dude don't read the comments on this but I had fun I sat there with my oldest daughter who must have been you know 14 or something at the time and I sat there and we read the comments and I read him aloud there and just laughed my Ass off and she was laughing but the funny thing is she was laughing, but she was also You know offended you know she was also feeling like they're saying that about my dad or and I'm literally laughing hysterically because I mean Let's face it people make great comments in the comment section if you have a open mind

And you don't mind people talking shit about you. They can be hilarious. I find them hilarious and but but yeah That's I will find joy in them or fine. I'll find humor them. I've never I don't think I've ever actually had any anger about anything in any of the comments you though you have an outlet for conflict in jiu-jitsu like a very real outlet for conflict you know I'm saying yeah most people go through life without any real conflict yeah they don't have real conflict so when conflict comes up in text form it's very disturbing to them if you have a real outlet for conflict like someone's genuinely trying to strangle you like a grown man who's really good at it it's so much more real and significant than this text bullshit from some fat kid in his fucking basement. Yeah, that's that's the um the

The ability to kind of take a step back again. This is something that I learned from being in the SEAL teams You can't get spun up over stuff. You just can't allow yourself to get spun up over stuff You can't allow yourself to get mad. You can't allow yourself to lose your temper You can't allow yourself to this is an interesting interesting thing I was talking about the other day. I learned this. The first report that you get is going to be wrong and you can't overreact to it. So someone calls, Hey, we got up, but we have this situation going on and they're freaking out. They're freaking out. We need more people down here. Now they're freaking out. You can't freak out. You need to understand that that first call coming

from that individual that's in a situation that is bad for them but they're super emotional they're only seeing it from their one perspective which no one person can ever give you the full picture of what's happening so you have to learn to go okay i see what's happening here okay let me listen let me get some more let me get some more perspective. That's why when I do address because I will occasionally address Something that's happening current like a current event type thing I give it a few I give it I might even give it a week two weeks when the Afghanistan thing went down that disaster I was waiting to see how it unfolded. And then finally I kind of put out some,

some word about what I thought should happen. I thought your, that video that you made was fantastic. I thought that was the very best thing that anybody could have ever said. If they were in charge, the way you said it, the way you laid it out, if we had a president like that. So when you're running for president, that's my point. Cause if you, if you were the fucking president, you said something like that, I guarantee you running for president that's if you if you were the fucking president you said something like that I guarantee you everyone would have had to respect that the way you said it the way you laid it out well that's that's the first book that I wrote about leadership extreme ownership and you have to learn how to do that and our politicians never do that they never

say hey you know what this was my fault I misjudged this. I underestimated that I made this mistake. Here's what I'm gonna do to fix it. Instead. It's instant blame game. It's instant blame game. It's bitch shit. Oh, it's it. And, and it's Biden. Biden was, was blaming Trump, which was, which was crazy. You look, Trump was negotiating with the Taliban, which I didn't like Trump set up an exit. That was sort of a fixed date, which I didn't like. Trump set up an exit that was sort of a fixed date, which I didn't like. Okay, so if you don't like that stuff, you stop it. You're the president. You go, hey, you know what?

We said we're going to do that. We're not doing it. I don't agree with Trump, and here's what we're doing. I'm in charge now. But instead it was like, well, you know, Trump made that date. So stepping up, and here's the other thing that's interesting about when you take ownership of things. So stepping up and here's the other thing that's interesting about when you take ownership of things. You make excuses and you think to yourself, no one's going to notice.

You think to yourself, well, if I say this was my fault, everyone's going to hate me. They're going to hate you more when you stand up and say, oh, this wasn't me. This is somebody else. Don't blame me. That's what happens. And when you stand up and you say, hey, look, this is my fault. Here's what I did wrong. Here's the mistakes I made. Here's what we need to fix it the team looks at you and goes okay

You know what fair enough you made some mistakes No one's perfect the way he did it the way any Politician does it when they just blame their opponent or blame other people or blame the people that are with them go? Okay, yeah, we got away with it. Good job. Good job. No one hears that and goes okay, yeah, we got away with it. Good job, good job. No one hears that and goes, solid points. That's a fucking real leader.

No one. If he stepped up and did what you said and said, this is on me, this is my mistake, and here's how we're going to fix it, a lot of people would go, wow, that is fucking admirable. No one said that listening to his speech. No one said that. By the way, it took forever for him to even fucking address it. I mean, it took a long ass time.

I don't even blame. He's gone. The guy's gone. Right. If he was my grandpa, I would be like, grandma, you can't let him drive anymore. You can't let him drive anymore. He doesn't know what the fuck's going on. Like, this is how bad he is.

This is a fact. This is a fact. And people were so fucking mad that I was saying this before the election. I'm like do what do you want me to lie because you hate trump so you want me to be a liar because you hate trump that was a disturbing to watch and really it was really strange the way that the democratic party came together and put up biden yeah like like it was it was crazy to watch yeah you're thinking okay i mean you can pretty much get anybody

This is an opportunity, you know Trump's got a lot of negative press and and all that So you throw someone in there and you're gonna do all right, and that's what they came up with I think they wanted Pete Buttigieg, but then his Disastrous showing in the primaries a particularly amongst black people the the amount of black people that voted for him was so low. It was something crazy, like 2%, 3%. It was like really, really low. And then, you know, the Kamala Harris thing where she got destroyed in the debate and they're like, fuck, you know, and Tulsi Gabbard, they were never going to go with her. God, they hated her. She's just too independent. She's too powerful. She's just too independent. Yeah, it's too powerful. Yeah, she's got too many principles

You know I mean if you looked at that if you look at her first of all There's no dirt on her if there was they would already had it okay, so you know She's a Russian agent To frame Trump, but she called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent, but if you look at Tulsi right I mean, they did not like her by any stretch of the imagination. There's not a fucking chance in hell they wanted her. Because she's

just too independent and she's too principled. But if you looked, if there was dirt, they would have pulled that shit out. They would have showed it in front of the world. So there's no dirt, right? Because she already ran for president. She already had the chance to find the dirt. They couldn't find shit. She's

a congresswoman for eight fucking years. She's served overseas, been deployed twice in medical units. She's a woman of color. She's from Hawaii. She's super well respected. Great.

Her ability to communicate is fantastic. Great leadership skills. She's super well-respected. Great. Her ability to communicate is fantastic. Great leadership skills. She's intelligent. She's articulate. She's everything. She's good-looking. She's everything you would want. If you want your first woman president, you're going to knock it out of the park with this one.

Out of the park. Out of the park. This lady's a monster. The way she took out Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris didn't say jack shit. The way she took out Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris didn't say jack shit. It was like here is a principled veteran, a fucking congresswoman who's just saying thing after thing that is undeniable about what Kamala Harris has done. The things that show are complete lack of character, complete default of judgment. All the things that she did as a district attorney. This lady lays it out and just flatlines

her career. And then they don't want to have nothing to do with her. Was that all because she supported Bernie instead of Hillary? I think it's just because she's dangerous. She's just too strong. You can't tell her what to do. A lot of these gals

and guys that become congressmen, senators, and they have aspirations, you know they're going to play ball. Like Gavin Newsom, he's going to pull up those fucking socks that go up to his knees. He's playing ball, baby. He's got cleats on. He's putting the fucking hat on. He's playing ball. A lot of these people play ball.

Tulsi Gabbard's not playing ball. And that's dangerous. If you have this organization that's based on this sort of cronyism and Nancy Pelosi's the head witch and everybody is, you know, all fucking doing their voodoo and working together to form a narrative that doesn't even make any fucking sense. All those people work together. It's very clear There's like a system and they all get funded and they all make sure that this this is kind of crooked system that will allow Someone like Nancy Pelosi who makes what does she make like 200 grand a year? Yeah, she's worth a hundred and fifty million dollars How the fuck did that happen? It's it's mafia, bro When you look if insider trading is illegal, how the fuck is it legal for her husband to make all these purchases of stock right before these giant deals came out that she negotiated?

And then he gets this windfall and they get insanely wealthy. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. And there's no investigation into it there's no talking about it it's fucking wild man it's wild shit yeah it it's mafia shit going down a hundred percent yeah and they they like think that like putin's a mobster like what is what are you what are you Putin kills people oh you don't think any of those

people kill people are you out of your fucking mind are you out of your fucking mind you think that's where they draw the line oh they'll drone strike innocent civilians and make no make it like nothing happened nothing happened no big deal like but they won't kill people on purpose that are causing problems you're out of your fucking mind. It would be interesting if Tulsi actually went over to the Republican side. She gets more love from Republicans than she does from Democrats. It's possible. It's possible.

They already think she's a Republican. The Democrats hate her. She should. She should go over there. She should, shouldn't she? Jesus Christ. Ron DeSantis and Tulsi Gabbard? Oh, man. Holy shit.

Good luck. That'd be a tough one to stop right there. Good luck. That's 16 years right there. That's 16 years right there. Because they're going to win and they're going to win again. They're both super reasonable, and if they can actually pull this fucking country together, Tulsi might be one of the rare people that can pull people from the left and then bring them to the center.

And then say, listen, we share a common ground in that we want our communities to be better we want our schools to be better we want people to get along you know it's weird because when you had Tulsi and I on the on this podcast and great conversation cool and all that and then she she was only pulling at like 3%. It shocked me. I thought she was kicking ass. And she only polled at 3% with whatever the Democratic people. Yeah. I don't get it.

Is that weird? It's all weird, man. Who the fuck knows what's real and what's not real? I don't know what's real. I don't believe. I don't think there's 0% voter fraud. I don't think what's, I don't believe, like, I don't think there's 0% voter fraud. I don't think there's 0%. Oh, there certainly is not 0%.

It's not 0%. So what's the number? What's up with these mail-in ballots? You know, when scholars that investigate the veracity of voting systems, they continually point to mail-in ballots as the absolute weakest link in that structure. The real ones that are being honest about it. Yeah. My buddy, Daryl Cooper, he posted a thread on Twitter and he was having a conversation with some friend of his mom's or something like this, who is like a hardcore Trump supporter. And he just sort of pieced together line by line like how you get how the the hardcore Trump supporters got to a point where they were saying hey this is bullshit we the election got stolen and

it was just these facts of well this Russian collusion thing turned out to be a big lie and the media all supported it then, hey, doesn't it seem weird? Doesn't it seem weird that the four swing states that that Biden needed to win? They happen to be the states that had these voting anomalies. Doesn't that seem weird? And he just went down down the list of these things. And he wasn't none of it was speculation it was all just these are facts about what happened with that that end up with someone saying hey you know what the election

got stolen and and when you pull that thread it's like come on how how is how is a normal person not a normal person but if you're already a trump supporter and now you go through this timeline of exactly what actually happened documented documented, what documented. It'd make you suspicious. At a minimum, it makes you suspicious. At a minimum. I don't have any knowledge of whether or not the election was stolen. I have zero knowledge.

But I am 100% convinced that people hated Trump so much and were convinced so convinced they were so 100% sure that he was a threat to democracy and that that maybe even could start a nuclear war with China and destroy civilization as we know it and it was their duty to stop him and if you said hey there's a way to stop him but we're going to have to shuffle him some fake ballots. We're going to have to fuck with some machines so that votes get switched over. Would they do it? I don't know if they did do it, but would they do it? Fuck yeah, they would do it.

There's some hardcore believers out there. By the way, on both sides. On Trump's side, there's people that would have done that too if they had the ability and the access. And there's certainly people on the Democratic side that would do it if they had the ability and the access. And this is a problem with tribalism because you get so convinced that your tribe is correct that you're willing to abandon the principles that make this country great, which is that people get a chance to vote and you get a chance to convince these people that you're correct and that you're gonna be a good leader and then You get a chance to prove it and if you don't prove it and they don't like you they can vote you out You know that's we you mentioned the tribalism and then you also mentioned You know Tulsi as an example of someone who could sort of draw from both sides and the weird thing is you know

I got I got a leadership consulting company and so I'm traveling around all the time talking to all different kinds of companies and And what's interesting is it's not Twitter. America is not Twitter. It's not Facebook. It's not Instagram. They're all the companies I work with. Guess what they're focused on. They're focused on trying to build their company, trying to grow their company. So that's most normal people. Most people are in the center of this bell curve, but, but it's so hard because the way our political system is set up to actually have somebody that says, Hey, I'm a no, you know, what's my party. My party is normal American. That's what my party is. And that's what I'm running as a normal American. That's going to try and help America move forward. And those there's,

there's just no, there's no system in place to have that as an option. You can't vote for that. You can't vote normal. No, you can't vote normal. I've been paying attention to, there's quite a few Twitter accounts that I follow that are people that are completely insane and that's why I follow them and sometimes I don't even follow them.

I bookmark them and then go to a separate browser so they don't even know that I'm following them because they're so out of their fucking mind. But one of the things that you can 100% for sure count on me disagreeing with someone, if their Twitter handle says masked and vaxxed and flu vaxxed, now there's a new one. They're saying, this is what people are saying, masked, vaxxed, and flu vaxxed. They want you to know. They're masked, they're vaxxed, and now they're flu vaxxed, which is like, what are you saying? What are you?

Are you a person? Are you a bot? I was just in LA for a few days and it is it is a different world It's a different world especially to hear and I was talking to people because I was doing some work up there and I was taught So I had the ability. I wasn't just driving around looking at people going Oh my god, because people are wearing masks in their car people wearing masks on the street I'm I'm talking to people and I'm saying hey You know I'm kind of I feel like um I feel like I'm trying to talk to

Almost like an alien species of I just want to try and understand them a little bit. Yeah, so I'm talking to them I'm saying hey, you know Have you been outside of LA? Have you been around and what I would end up explaining to him saying listen for the last year I've been traveling all around America I'm trying to be super cool because I want you know That's always my goal is is I don't want to say hey, dude You're an idiot for wearing a mask because then they just don't listen anything else you say right So I'm trying to be cool and be nice and understand their perspective

Which is a good way like I said earlier. I'm gonna listen to their perspective cuz in from a leadership perspective Yeah, you want to listen, but also from a communication perspective You want to listen what other people so that you can understand their perspective. Maybe they have a good point and if they do cool, you can take that on board. But you know, I'd say, listen, that's cool. You know, so you, do you live in LA? And, and I'd say, you know, I've been traveling around America for the last year. Like, like we started traveling or I started traveling probably, I don't't know probably six months into COVID I was back on the road meeting with companies meeting with organizations and then it's just picked up and it's been pretty normal

and I'd say you know, I've been there's other parts of America and I go in to meet with hundreds and thousands of people sometime and Everyone's okay, and we shake hands and take pictures and and everyone's cool and and there's not been like not everyone's dying and and everything's okay and it's it's just there's a a little bit of almost disbelief in their eyes right what yeah a little bit of disbelief in their eyes that that's that that's really happening and and then I was thinking about it. Go watch the college football games on the weekends. Yeah, packed. Packed stadiums.

And yet in LA, somehow they're getting told you have to wear a mask at all times. And that's just, it's just weird. It's weird to see. Not only that, everyone's vaccinated. You have to have a vaccine to do everything in LA now. You can't even go to a grocery store without a vaccine. No, not a grocery store. Excuse me, the mall.

The grocery store is the only place you can go. Eddie Bravo got kicked out of the mall the other day. Wait, for what? He told them malls aren't real. He tried to fucking go shopping and they said you need a vax card to go to the fucking mall. Yeah, and I i know you know i live in san diego yeah and so san diego was it was actually no big deal and and kind of the whole time right wing it's way more right wing yeah i was way more right more it's military that's

a military town and yeah there's a bunch of defense yeah industry there and you know so they shut down the the ocean for like two weeks you couldn't go you couldn't go to the ocean i want to give fish covid yeah they want to give fish but here's the thing everyone just kind of like oh cool oh we'll just you know sneak into another spot and go surfing somewhere else and so that was no big deal they ended up allowing the outdoor dining well in san diego every just about every restaurant has outdoor dining so then they just open that up so that was no big deal and we were just kind of carrying on and man then you go to LA and it was freaking weird don't they don't you guys have some whack mayor now in in San Diego yeah yes we do yeah happened? You got some super lefty mayor

And that's you know, there'll be a backlash and that's the thing about all this stuff is you think you think that okay? Well this pendulum is going to swim swing back right because what you put when you put like your kids in charge of the house for the weekend In charge of the house for the weekend and you just kind kind of let things go. And what do your kids do? They're like, cool, we're ordering pizza. Right. And we're running up the credit card bill. And by the way, we didn't pay the electric bill. We have a bunch of random people that we don't know over.

We're all going to get drunk and get crazy. Yeah. And pretty soon, someone upstairs goes, hey, we want to go to sleep. And by the way, why is the water turned off? And why is the bottom floor flooding? And that's what happens, right? Yeah. I mean, I heard that about Austin. I guess Austin

Just passed something where they got rid of the street camping or whatever Yes, and and for a while were you here when the street camping apparently was insane it was insane, but they cleaned it up Well, that's a house party right there like bro. We don't care you want to sleep on the floor cool Come and get it. It was worse than the house party It was it was a very bad way of handling a sad situation and you got a lot of homeless people a lot of drug addicts a lot of people with mental health issues and you're just letting them pollute the street like you're letting them ruin everything else like if you want to give them care give them care and try to help them out and put them up in

hotels and that's what they've eventually done. But just saying you're going to be kind by letting them ruin the city for everybody else, you're not being kind to all those other people. The amount of people that you're fucking up by helping a very small group of people is massive. It's completely disproportionate. But to liberals, to super hardcore left lefties the unhoused are people too mad but they don't they don't need to be on the fucking street in front of restaurants ruining businesses they don't need to be in parking lots where no one can park cars now because there's camping structures and they've got sterno and they're fucking cooking out there it's like

it's wild but they stopped it here luckily but I had the mayor on and the mayor was saying listen We can stop it here because there's only 2,000 homeless people he goes a place like LA when it gets that big you're fucked He's like we got to stop it now We got to figure out a way to help these people now and to his credit and to the credit of the voters They they changed the laws and they did help people and And they are in the process of cleaning things up. And the amount of tents now is greatly diminished. So when they say help people, how are they helping them? They're putting them up in hotels.

They're getting them counseling. They're trying to – they have a program for veterans that they're doing where they're providing them with housing and trying to get them clean and giving them therapy and counseling. And there's like a pretty comprehensive program because it's a manageable number. Because 2,000 people, 3,000 people, whatever it is, it's a manageable number. But L.A.'s gone. L.A.'s gone, man. It's gone. It's gone.

It's gone ideologically. It's gone. Like they've lost the plot. And it's gone when you drive through Venice. You're like, how do you fucking fix this but at some point don't you think people go all right you know we're done or is it past that i think people are just gonna move and then that's what i did and you know i think that's what a lot of people have done they just move i fucking moved in may yeah you know the march was the pandemic in May. I started looking.

I was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah. At first, my wife was like, you know, you're being crazy. And then the George Floyd riots happened.

And she was like, oh, I go, yeah, yeah, this is what happens. I go, there's, there's no fucking police presence anymore.

There's no, the police don't feel at all. Like they're supported. They're not going to help you. So what are we going to do? I'll hire security. We have plenty of guns. You know how to shoot a gun, okay?

Let's just, you want to have a shootout with bad people? Is that what the fuck we're going to do from our house? Like, what are we going to do? Are we going to, like, not be able to go anywhere because this crackpot mayor, this fucking dip shit tells us we can't go anywhere? We're going to watch all our friends who own restaurants go poor and lose everything they've worked 30 years to build. Get the fuck out of here. Let's get out of here.

I don't know when California reaches the point where it's done, where it can't come back. Maybe it's there. I don't know. San Diego was, like I said, when you were talking, you were telling me, looking at Texas, blah, blah, blah. I was in San Diego going, I said when you were you you were talking you were telling me like looking at Texas blah blah blah and I Was in San Diego going it's not that really that big of a deal here

It was kind of nice It was like less traffic and the the surfing was you know, there was not as many people surfing and so it's just kind of cool San Diego was different but at some point California I mean all the businesses are leaving. Yeah wealthy people are leaving. Wealthy people are leaving, and eventually, it's not going to be sustainable anymore. It's not sustainable right now,

I don't think. I think right now they're just on debt. They're just on borrowed time. It's just going to matter time before it collapses. They've killed 70% of the restaurants. Did you know that? I did not know that. 70% of the restaurants died during COVID. I thought... It's wild wild when the recall happened i thought well okay well this is it people are kind of thinking okay but we can't keep we can't keep this up this isn't work this is yeah but the options weren't good you know

larry elder's a talk show guy you know i mean and they the way they were treating that guy the article they wrote no la times They called him the black face of white supremacy like holy Fuck that was when you that was when the media when I realized the media was just garbage on board with the program because they took a black guy from Compton and said he Was the face of white supremacy? Because he's a conservative. Yeah. Because he believes in hard work and, you know, meritocracies.

And, you know, I mean, he's got some questionable ideas. Like, I don't believe, I don't agree with a lot of the things he says. But to call him the black face of white supremacy is just fucking ridiculous. That's 1984 George Orwell kind of ignorance equals strength and freedom equals slavery type stuff This is this is this black guy from Compton is the face of white supremacy don't value being honest They value the results they're trying to achieve But what they don't understand is by doing that over and over and over again They devalue the very thing that they're supposed to be upholding which is journalism the press

They're supposed to be able to tell you the information I'm supposed to be able to tell you the information i'm supposed to be able to open up the la times and go i need an objective uh opinion on what's happening right now all over the world this is where i'm going to go to and these people have worked very hard to get it like if i wanted to ask about uh military tactics i want to ask about leadership and the seals i go to you that's your business you want to ask about leadership and the seals. I go to you. That's your business. You want to ask about the world of standup comedy? Come to me. That's my business. I go to journalists. I expect journalism. I expect that's what they're doing. That's not what they're doing. They're not doing that, man. Well, they called Eric Clapton a vile anti-vaxxer because he talks openly about getting crushed by the vaccine. He had a very bad reaction to the vaccine. And so he talks openly about getting crushed by the vaccine. He had a very bad reaction to the vaccine,

and so he talks openly about it, and he does not want to mandate vaccines for his shows because he had a very bad experience where he couldn't use his hands for weeks. Yeah, he got crushed. He got it bad. But to call him an anti-vaxxer when he's been vaccinated is so silly.

It doesn't even make any sense but the article they wrote about him was horrible like horrible and they're guaranteed to be people that read that thing and we're just totally 100 percent 100 percent yeah i mean that's that's the goal but the problem is there's enough people that know forget about the eric clapton story but there's the like the larry elder story's better one. There's enough people that see these things and go, this is crazy. This is not the news. This is an opinion piece from someone who it seems like has never operated in the real world. This is like a college, like academia echo chamber perspective that's being broadcast into a major business the los angeles times and it seems like some wacky kids blog you know like some someone's nutty fucking tumblr page

that they're putting out there but you're reading it in the la times like this is crazy and that's just one story but it's their perspective on the Russiagate incident their their perspective on the fact that it's racist to ask people for ID to vote but you need an ID to show that you have a vaccine to go anywhere like how do those two things correspond together especially when most of the people that are not vaccinated are people of color? 72% I think was the last number that I read. I mean, maybe they forced more African Americans

to get vaccinated, but at one point in time it was 72% of the African American community, especially in New York, was not vaccinated. But meanwhile, it's racist to ask someone for an ID to vote. But you have to have a vaccine to go everywhere. And the fucking people you're targeting predominantly are African American in that world. Yeah, well, that's why you saw pictures of Black Lives Matter and Trump people marching in New York. Yes, recently.

Yeah, that was a month ago, something like that. That fucking guy is the worst. Which guy? de Blasio, he's the fucking worst. When you hear him talk, you go, how? How did you become the mayor? Was there no one running against you? You got friends in New York right now?

What the fuck, yeah. Oh, it's a disaster. It's a disaster. It's a disaster. I was just there. I was just there. I was just there. I just did Madison Square Garden. Oh, that's right.

I performed there. And right after I performed there, a senator introduced a bill saying that I shouldn't be able to perform there because I'm not vaccinated. Meanwhile, I had COVID. I fucking had COVID and I beat it in three days. We're living Narnia, man. And they're all withholding. Here's the thing. I'm going to say this because it's fucking true

because I've experienced it many, many times with many people that I'm friends with. They're withholding monoclonal antibodies. They're trying to stop people from getting them. There's not a fucking shortage of monoclonal antibodies. And so what does that do? Monoclonal antibodies kills COVID like raid kills roaches. When you get shot up with monoclonal... what does that do monoclonal antibodies kills covid like raid kills roaches

when you get shot up after you get you get covid then you get this that's what they gave trump and that's what they gave me i got i got better quick i got better fucking quick and trump got better pretty quick pretty quick and he's old and fat he's old and fat and he got better in four days so why are they withholding it? Because they want you to get vaccinated. That's what I think. I think they don't want there to be a very clear path where you don't have to be vaccinated, but if you get sick, you're going to be fine.

So, so is it just the money going into the pharmaceutical companies that's driving people to want everyone to get vaxxed? It must have an influence. It's also the narrative. There's also people that have been vaccinated that don't want people to get vaxxed. It must have an influence. It's also the narrative. There's also people that have been vaccinated that don't want people to get away without being vaccinated because I think they know they took a chance. I think secretly they know.

If anybody pays any attention, they know someone who's had a bad reaction to the vaccine or someone who died shortly after the vaccine or they've watched some fucking soccer player drop on the field of a heart attack. And there's a lot of that going on, by the way. There was a study. See if you can find this study, Jamie, that showed the amount of athletes that have collapsed due to heart attacks over the last four months has been more than over the last four years.

That's disturbing. That's not good. That's not good. What is that from? Well, I mean, look, it's also not good to get COVID. Both things are not good. This is the thing is if you're saying that, you're saying that the vaccine's bad. It's not bad for everybody.

It's like when they say it's safe and effective. It's safe and effective for most people, for most people, but it's not for everybody. And then these people that are dropping, that are having heart attacks, guess what? Those are the people that if they got COVID would probably be fine. Yeah. Well, you've been making this point a lot about, oh, you want everyone to get vaccinated, but you won't tell people to stop eating freaking French fries and Cheetos. How's that? How's that make any sense? How are you pretending that some 400 pound fat guy and me are the same thing? How are you pretending that some 400-pound fat guy and me are the same thing? How are you pretending that?

I haven't been sick in 11 fucking years. I got sick once with COVID. I was sick for a couple days, and I got over it. But I got over it. I guarantee you a big part of it was monoclonal antibodies. And all they wanted to talk about was ivermectin. Ivermectin. Oh, he's taking horse dewormer.

That was another thing where I realized that the media was full of shit when they're saying that I'm taking horse medication well, I Randomly the morning that that podcast came out with that CNN guy Son son Jay Gupta. Yeah, I had popped up. I was like oh cool This will be fun, and so I start listening to it, and yeah, that was a real It was like again sort of like two people were watching two different movies and and it Was weird to to hear him say like oh, you know, I listen to your podcast I was thinking myself. I don't know how much this guy's listened to Joe Rogan's podcast because He kind of rolled in

Like he was not prepared for what was about to go down. I think he's insanely busy That's what I think okay The guys are legitimate practicing neurosurgeon and and he works like 100 hours a week. No bullshit. That guy is legitimately dealing with real patients all the time, constantly, and then works as a consultant for CNN. So I think he felt like the same way if I had a conversation with you about military tactics and leadership in the SEALs, I would defer to you about everything. I would just be asking questions. You're the expert.

I think he had this idea that that's how it was going to be. That we were going to have this conversation about COVID and medicine and a medical situation. And then he was going to give me all this information that was going to straighten me out. Ouch. Didn't work out that way. Ouch Didn't work out I've been fucking talking to scientists and doctors and biologists and virologists for months and months and months and you know You've got to be the amount of information that you have absorbed in in the past six months

Or I maybe a year about this you've been tracking it. You've been talking all these smart people man That's rough to roll in and think that you're going to trump your statements. Well, I think he thought that I wasn't really informed, but I keep a fucking file on my phone and it's not a small file. Let me show you this. I have a folder on my phone called cooties. And this is, these are all COVID stories that i've read i've read every one of them yeah and i i know and not covid stories like anecdotal stories these are all like pub med articles these are all like peer-reviewed data studies these are all theirs reports these are all like things on myocarditis these are all things on vaccine efficacy, how long it wanes, when it goes.

I've been paying attention. I don't have an uninformed opinion. I have a controversial opinion. But what else is new? If you want to be a fucking independent person, you're going to have controversial opinions. It doesn't mean they're wrong. Like, clearly, if you ask me, if you came to me and you said, okay, I think if you're not vaccinated and you get COVID, you're fucked and you're going to be hospitalized and you're in trouble. And then I say, I don't think everybody's the same.

I think I'm healthier than most people because I exercise on a regular basis. I take vitamins every fucking day. I'm in the sauna almost every fucking day. I do a lot of shit. the same i think i'm healthier than most people because i exercise on a regular basis i take vitamins every fucking day i'm in the sauna almost every fucking day i i do a lot of shit my body works well and i don't think my body and a normal person's body is the same and they're like you're wrong and you're gonna be you're in danger you're in trouble and then i get covid and then i take some medication that i've researched and i turn out to get better like that. How sick were you when you got it? I had, I was sweaty. I mean, I had a fever.

I was, I was sweat in my bed. That's how I knew I had it. And then I woke up the next day. I'm like, ugh, I didn't feel good, but I wasn't like, oh my God, I'm going to die. I was like, yeah, I got the flu or something. It felt like the flu. It was like normal, like normal sick. Wasn't crazy sick, but i jumped on it right away i mean obviously

i have the resources to handle stuff like this where someone who's like strapped for cash and maybe doesn't have access to monoclonal antibodies which in florida i sent my friend ari i sent him he just had covid i sent him uh nurses to give him the iv vitamin drip same way I did Aaron Rodgers So I did a tip. Oh, you mean Satan? I said people I send people to my friends when they get sick I'm like, here's what you do. I'll take care of it. I want to hook you up So I just said I have it take because we have a service that we use and so the service works nationally You have a protocol set up for yourself if you got yes. Yeah, that was based on all the research that you've done Yeah, I was ready to go. Yeah, so you just had to pull the trigger

I just had to pull the trigger and it worked and it worked five days later I was working out and now it worked for his Aaron Rodgers got it Aaron Rodgers got it. What about Ari? Our who's in negative four days later Aaron right Ari's not the healthiest guy. He does a lot of drugs Is there any risk is there any risk to the stuff that you did? I've never heard of any risk. Peter Attia, you know Peter. Peter Attia was on here and he said, do you know what the safety profile

of ivermectin is? And I said, no. And he goes, listen to this. He goes, ivermectin has been given out more than 4 billion times. And he goes, there's been less than 30 adverse reactions that have been reported so meanwhile here's how bad the press is yeah fucking rachel maddow post this thing on her twitter about how gunshot victims in oklahoma can't get into the emergency room because so

many people were overdosing on ivermectin. It's a fucking flat-out lie printed in the Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone magazine prints this article. By the way, they showed in August. This is in August. They show people waiting in line to get into the hospital, and they're wearing winter coats in Oklahoma. Bitch, do you know it's hot as's fucking Oklahoma in August. This is so dumb

It's like it's so clearly whoever wrote that article in Rolling Stone to use that stock photo of people waiting in line You didn't even try Didn't even try How does it end for these big media companies at what point are people like yeah these everyone's foolish yet independent media companies are soaring right now crystal and saga uh breaking points which is my favorite news show killing it the hill killing it uh kyle kalinsky killing it jimmy dore killing it all these independent people that glenn greenwald matt taibbi killing it they've all moved to substack They've left these big organizations that were like Matt Tybee was just tweeting about Rolling Stone today, which is an art a company that he works for saying the fuck is wrong with you because

MSNBC got caught filming jurors. Oh, yeah filming jurors, which is clearly an intimidation tactic They're filming these people for the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. These people are, they're leaving and coming from the court, and they're filming them. So they get barred from the courtroom. So Rolling Stone writes something about how the, like, free press, like, that, that it's, that they don't like free press. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like, that MSNBC can't produce, don't like free press. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like, that MSNBC can't produce, they're not allowed to,

I forget what the actual quote was. Let's see if you can find Matt Taibbi's article, Matt Taibbi's tweet, because he quote tweeted what Rolling Stone was saying. But he's like, what the fuck is wrong with you? That's not what this is. This has nothing to do with freedom of the press. This has to do with jury intimidation.

You're not supposed to film the fucking jury and then show it to the rest of the world. These people are going to get death threats. They're going to maybe even get killed. Yeah, yeah. But Rolling Stone was one of the people that printed this shit. They printed that stupid story about ivermectin. And when Peter's on here laughing about it, going, do you know how safe that is? And it has antiviral properties. about it going do you know safe that is it's it and it has antiviral properties this this there's been a concerted effort to demonize ivermectin because I

listen this is a person I've taken it okay I took it while I had kovat I don't know if it's good I'm not a fucking scientist but I do know it shows there's studies all over the world where people are using it in Japan they're giving it out in Japan they're giving it out in Japan. They're giving it out in India. There's a place in India called Uttar Pradesh. It's a state in India that has 230 million people that is essentially COVID-free. They credit ivermectin and the fact that they have a wide distribution of ivermectin. They gave it to people to use in prophylaxis.

Here's the thing. Look at this Rolling Stone article. It says, free speech loving Fox News is thrilled that Rittenhouse judge banned MSNBC from the courtroom. And Matt Tabe writes, Jesus Christ, Rolling Stone, you really don't understand the difference? MSNBC, this article is so crazy. Because MSNBC was filming the fucking jury. That's why they were banned from the courtroom. It's not freedom.

It has nothing to do with freedom. It's the opposite to do with freedom like you you're literally fucking with the process That you're fucking with the legal process you're filming jurors Totally disturbing so that so but at what point does the the mainstream media like fold in on itself at what point? It's just like they're done and MSNBC done? If CNN was smart, what they would do is they would get rid of all of these opinion personalities and they would put hardcore journalists in those positions and they would just give out the objective analysis of the news. And this is why I think it's smart. Those motherfuckers are not bringing any people to the table.

There's no people that are going, what does Don Lemon think about things? I need to know what Don Lemon thinks. No one's doing that. No one is running out trying to get Brian Stelter's hot take on things. No one is doing that. They are watching those people because these people are competent broadcasters, they're good at talking, and they can talk on the cameras on them, and they're spitting out these opinion pieces that align with

His left-wing narratives that CNN likes to produce right, but if they were smart, and they wanted to redeem themselves what they would do is just give Objective news because you're a fucking business. Okay, you're either you're either the broadcast arm of the the Democratic Party or you're a business that distributes information you have to decide which one you are because as a as a business that distributes information You're in a fucking losing business. Your business is gonna fail. It's failing already the the amount of people that are paying attention since Trump left office is Literally less than half of what it used to be their fucking ratings are abysmal and they complain about

Podcasts doing better than then. Well, why do you think podcast doing better? Because if someone's whether they're watching Jimmy Dore or Kyle Kalinske, whoever it is, you could trust them This is their actual opinion They really tell the truth and they're gonna provide you facts because they're independent So they depend upon those facts to get the word out. When they talk about what's going on in Syria or Russia or wherever the fuck it is in the world, they have to have facts. And they have to show you why they come to these conclusions. CNN doesn't have to do that because they're not really news. They're entertainment news that supports the left-wing narrative, which is why Kyle Kalinsky and Jimmy Dorn, they all talked about the Hunter Biden laptop.

Everybody did. Everybody did that was talking about news because it was news. CNN was like, what? Laptop? Huh? Laptop? There's a laptop? I don't know nothing about a laptop.

I haven't heard anything. And that has, obviously, the Hunter Biden laptop. That could have swayed the election. i mean that thing is insane yeah that thing is insane he's got a fucking bank account on his dad it's insane yeah so that's bad right you think okay that's horrible that's insane that they could actually do that but then some of the like when you've got the the left wing propaganda coming out that's inciting riots Yeah, and inciting racial tension like isn't there some level of guilt on your heart? Yeah, when you are Creating this animosity in inside of America apparently not apparently not

Apparently not, but they don't just give it give a shit. They think it's okay You got to crack a couple eggs to make an omelet and and and then the other thing is that's driving them to do this Is that the the more the more dramatic the headline the more people click on it? Yeah. Yeah, that's the big thing That's the big thing because that's where the money is, you know, if you're running a newspaper, you're not selling Physical papers no one not selling physical papers. No one's buying physical papers anymore. I would like to see what the drop-off is from 20 years ago until now. The drop-off in the sale of physical papers to now.

It's got to be crazy. Is there people printing physical papers anymore? I think there is. I think you can still buy them at the airport. You can still buy some physical papers, but not very many. And then also a lot of these places have moved to the subscription model. I subscribe to Washington Post. I subscribe to New York Times and quite a few other publications that I feel like journalism is valuable and I'm willing to pay for it. I'll give you some money. But how many people feel like that? Not too many. Not a lot of people are paying for those things. I know because I hit them firewalls all the time. I go, whatever. Somebody could debrief me later. I'm not giving you $6 a

month. Not happening. Yeah. I feel like some, I mean, I've gone back and forth with New York Times. I'm like, guys, come on. What the fuck? But at the end of the day, I feel like there's enough value in what they do that I'm willing to pay for it. And the Washington Post as well and Wall Street Journal as well. I think there's enough value that I'm willing to pay for it. But how many people feel that way? Well, a lot of people don't. So in order to get those people, you got to say some wild shit. You know?

And I feel bad for them. I really do i genuinely feel bad for like real journalists people that went to school and maybe they're in their 50s now and so they started their journalism career back when you were a real journalist and you were hardcore boots on the ground journalist trying and you had a fucking honorable profession man it's an honorable profession like if you're a real hardcore objective journalist and you're getting information out to the people It's a fucking honorable and so now though who are those people well those people are Glenn Greenwald now those people the people that get attacked By the hardcore lefties left and right meanwhile. He's as left-wing as it gets as progressive as it gets well

Isn't that the crazy also like flip in the world is that? The conservatives are now the ones kind of trying to uphold free speech and let everyone talk. The liberals are the ones that are saying lock everyone down. That's crazy, right? It's not just me, is it? My favorite is there's this guy who got busted with two tweets. And one of them is we need prison reform in this country. We need to let people out of jail.

Next tweet, like a couple of years later, lock Kyle Rittenhouse in jail and throw away the key. them is we need prison reform in this country we need to let people out of jail next tweet like a couple years later lock kyle rittenhouse in jail and throw away the key you know and like that kind of shit that kind of shit drives me fucking crazy because is you only have principles if the people you're talking about align with your political party as soon as they don't as soon as that kid's wearing a black rifle coffee shirt. Have fun. Have a nice weekend, Evan. They started attacking Evan.

I had Evan on right after they started attacking him. I'm like, bro, you got to come on the podcast and straighten these silly fucks out because this is so goddamn dumb. It drives me crazy. Do you know what the SALT tax reduction is? So it's state and local tax reduction? so it used to be if you lived in California or New York and You whatever you paid in state taxes you could deduct from your federal taxes And it was it was a break for us idiot like me that still lives in California

It was kind of a break because you weren't getting taxed twice or you could at least reduce your tax California was kind of a break because you weren't getting taxed twice or you could at least reduce your tax So this this bill that the Democrats just put through Part of one of the things that they were going to do was they were gonna get get rid of this cap So you could you could uh, sorry, it was Trump got rid of that So when Trump Trump's big tax reduction for someone like me that lived in California wasn't a tax reduction at all because I was no longer able to deduct my high 13 percent California state tax from my federal tax. So I was kind of bummed out. And some people said, you know, Trump and the Republicans did that to punish the blue states. They wanted to punish the blue states.

So they just, yo, you want to have a high state tax rate? Cool. You're going to pay the fed high federal tax rate too. So what the Democrats just started to push through was bringing that back. So in New York and in California, you're going to be able to deduct that from your tax again. That's what the Democrats were pushing. I was jumping up and down, cheering, being like, great you guys great like let's reduce these taxes and unfortunately for me the Republicans called them out and said this is a massive tax reduction on the wealthy in these states and it ended up they ended up putting a cap on it so but once again it was it was that what made me think about that was it was completely on party lines.

The Democrats, it was going to be helpful for the rich Democrats to do this, to reduce taxes for other rich Democrats. And actually Bernie Sanders called him out too and said, hey, what are you doing? You can't do this. This is a big reduction in taxes for rich people in these blue states. Again, I was jumping up and down, cheering, saying, yes, go Democrats. Let's get this thing through. Let's reduce those taxes. But they ended up not pulling it off. Well, what they don't understand is the more people move out, the more you lose seats.

You lose congressional seats. You lose electoral college votes. You're going to lose a lot of shit. You're going to lose. Like, if people continue to file out of California the way they've done over the last year, I don't know when it stops the bleeding. But they've lost more people than they've gained over the last two years, which is unprecedented in a place where everybody wants to move to California. The weather's fucking insane. It's incredible.

The ocean's right there. The ocean's there. The mountains are there. The desert is there. Everything's there. It's absolutely beautiful. I love California as a physical place. Yes.

But damn, it's crazy. Well, I love San Diego. I thought about moving to San Diego. We actually looked. We actually looked in San Diego. Because I don't have a problem paying taxes. A lot of people think that I came to Texas to not pay taxes, state taxes. That's not why I came here.

That makes one of us. I don't want people telling me what to do I'd I'll be I would be happy if it was reversed if Texas had state taxes But California didn't but Texas didn't tell me what to do and allowed me to go places I didn't have to have a vaccine to go to the fucking mall like yeah, I'll come to Texas. I'll give you 13% Yeah, I don't have a problem with that If I felt like it was going to a good cause and like it was making the community

better, I'm all in. I don't think it's going well in California. Oh, no. Especially not in L.A. Not in L.A. No, I don't know what they're spending all my money on in California. That fucking mayor of L.A., him and de Blasio should both get hit in the head

with a meteor. Neither one of them make any sense any sense letting criminals out of prison not locking anyone up You can't em in San Francisco. What do they get you can't get arrested if you steal less than $900 worth of shit from the store. So people just walk in a store stealing shit. It's crazy and Chicago's doing the same shit Do you see what happened in Chicago? They had a fucking gang fight in the middle of the street. They emptied 70 rounds and they didn't charge anybody. Two people died. Another guy got shot and they called it mutual combat. Did you see that?

Mutual combat for like a fight between you and me. Yeah, fist fight. Fist fight like I want to fuck you up. I want to fuck you up and the cops will stand by. That's like Seattle. In Seattle you can have mutual combat. Yeah. So they did that for a running gunfight You need to see this you need to see this article because you're not gonna fucking believe that it's real because two people died They in the emptied 70 rounds on a crowded street people were driving around the body

There's a vid there's video footage of this fucking gang fight 70 rounds if you just shoot a gun in the street, you're supposed to go to jail. You just empty a gun. You shoot at someone. Look at this. Prosecutors reject charges against five suspects in deadly gang-related gunfight. See, now, this is where you get all tinfoil hat because a lot of people that like George Soros and all that kind of shit. Look at the way he described it.

George Soros and all that kind of shit. Look at the way he described it. A police report framed the state attorney's office decision to decline charges in a different light. He writes, mutual combatants was cited as the reason for the rejection. Mutual combat is a legal term used to find a fight or a struggle that two parties willingly engage in. Yeah, not a gunfight. That's insane. It's not a fucking gunfight. Guns, you you shoot those bullets don't stop until they hit something they go really fucking far they go a mile That's insane. It's so dumb. Where is this?

The that was the you know you and I talked about I think it's the last time I was on we're talking about defunding the police Yeah, and and you you talk to police and it's gnarly right now. It is gnarly Yeah, you know they have their a lot of police are just leaving. Yeah, they're getting out of the police Because it's it's a so such a tough environment for him right now. They have so much at risk people go What makes it tougher? Well when you know that you are if you make a mistake you're gonna burn for it Yeah, you what are you gonna? Do am I really gonna pull over this car like am I gonna roll the dice? I'm pulling over this car and roll the dice that I get into some kind of altercation I say the wrong thing and all of a sudden getting I'm getting in trouble because of this you're all over social media

I'm just gonna sit here and just let people speed and do whatever and yeah, whatever and and crime is going up across the country It's it's a total disaster. It's a total disaster. And in these places like where George Floyd died, they're trying to refund the police right now. They're like, hey, this is a mistake. We fucked up. Like, you can't have bad cops.

You can't have cops that are killing people. You can't have cops that are abusing people. But you know what the best way to stop that from happening is? More cops. Yeah, more cops. That's what people- Better training what the best way to stop that from happening is more cops yeah more cops with people training better screening invest in cops yes get them get them screened better pay them more so you get a higher level of people that want to do that job yeah they're making mistakes all over the place this kind of shit makes me think man it's almost like someone is being paid like when when you hear these George Soros stories

well he's trying to destroy the country from within by by putting in these people like he's the guy who put in the guy who's the DA in Los Angeles that's letting people out just lets people out a guy pulled a knife on a fucking sheriff and they let him out a couple weeks later and he hacked some guy with in front of his family with a machete yeah what the fuck man that was a guy that should have been in jail that's a violent person who pulled a weapon out on a police officer at any other sane time in history that guy would be in jail he'd be charged with attempted assault on a police officer and he would get a good sentence at some point the

parents are going to come home from this weekend party and square some shit away jesus i hope so but these fucking kids are coming out of school over and over again with these ridiculous ideas in their head they're they're they're being indoctrinated by these universities yeah yeah the the the university system right now is crazy yeah it's crazy and it's being run by people who have never lived in the real world these are not real world people these are people that have been babied by this intellectual echo-chamber in these universities And then they're teaching more people to live like them and to teach more people these same ideas and they're all being funded by crackpots yeah

The the the educational inflation, you know when when you and I were younger, you could quit high school and have a good life. You know, you could quit high school and be like, cool, I'm going to get a job as an apprentice electrician. We're going to carry on, you know, and you'll get hired and you'll work for whatever. You get a great job. And you can grow up and you can get better and better and you can end up running a crew or whatever.

Then, I mean, I would say when I was in high school, there was a big push to like finish high school. Like, hey, you really got to finish high school. And OK, so then people had to finish high school. But then you could get a job as an apprentice or whatever. And you could be an electrician or a plumber or auto body mechanic or whatever. You could you could get a normal life. And it was cool.

And that was totally normal for kids to to get told by their school counselor. Hey, there's a good program over at this junior college where you can go and learn to weld or, and that was totally normal for kids that I knew kids that I grew up with or Hey, join the military. But it wasn't just, Hey, the,

what you need to do is go to college. And so now kids, the only path that they get told is you need to go to college. That's what you need to do. You need to go to college and college isn't the right move for everybody. It definitely wasn't the right move for me when I was freaking 18 years old. I wouldn't have survived in college when I was 18 years old. So, but kids get told, yep, you got to go to college and what they get trained for, you know, they used to high school and school used to be to train you to work, to work hard, to work in a

factory, to work as a welder, to work, to work. And now high school's training kids, they're getting trained to go to college. That's what they're training is for. And they get trained to go to college and then they go to college and they get a degree that doesn't give them any real options in the real world. They get degrees that have no skillset associated with them. So here you are, you're 21 years old, associated with them so here you are you're 21 years old you're a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in debt from student loans and the degree that you got actually earns you less than that kid that went and became an electrician or became a plumber so you're get you get a job for thirty seven thousand dollars a year with your degree and and now all of a sudden you're looking

around going holy shit and it becomes what's the ideal job for that person? The ideal job for that person is to go back into academic and get a job at that university. So it's a self-perpetuating machine. It's crazy. It's crazy. And that whole student loan thing is so nuts because you can't get out of it. Oh, that's right. That's right.

It's the only one that you can't go bankrupt on. This is the same. It's the same thing that fueled one of the same things that fueled the housing crash, because you're giving loans to people that, that you, you, they're not going to be able to pay it back, which is, which is one thing. But what happens is when you give a loan to a bunch of students over time, what does the university do? Raise their prices because they can charge whatever they want because the kids are just going to borrow more money. And, And eventually that crashes. I don't know how it turns out when you can't ever go bankrupt from it and you owe that money forever.

I got friends that are my age. My age. I'm 50 years old. I got friends that are still paying off their student loans. I've heard of people that are getting their social security checks docked Because they owe money on the student loans imagine you hit the finish line They're like these are my golden years And you're fucking losing 25 of your social security check because you still owe student loans or maybe even more I mean, I don't know what the number is, but that educational inflation

When you can charge, you know when when I can get young joe rogan checks into college and I could charge him $18,000 and he kind of works fast food to get it and you pay your bills. But then I go, no, it's actually $28,000. You're like, okay, student loan. And then the next year I go, well, why don't we make it $32,000? And that's been going on for years now. Now it's $50,000 a year to go to college. The thing is, if you buy a car when you're that age and you can't pay it, they take it back. Yeah.

But if you got a degree and you can't pay your student loans, they're like no no you can pay it Yeah, you can pay it. You're gonna pay you're gonna pay it. You literally can't go bankrupt from it Which is so insane You could rip off old ladies with like some crazy product that doesn't really work and your company goes under and all these people Lose a shit ton of money and you don't know any of it because you go bankrupt bankrupt that's fine yeah but not not that's not that two hundred thousand dollar student loan no that is all that's all subsidized by the government yeah there's a lot of a lot of money in there and then when they they always like dangle that you know over we're to absolve people of student debt.

Yeah. They always say that. That was one of the talking points in that last election they were pushing for. They're lying. We need to look at that. We need to look at that. Like a fucking light bulb that went over their head, a green light bulb when they're fucking clearly lying.

Because that was one that you knew you were never going to give people that student debt money back. Never. Oh, man. No chance. Yeah. No chance. That's a cool cool thing you were talking about origin earlier we got we're giving people the opportunity to have a real career yeah in with a trade with a legit trade and we got kids that are you know 20 21 22 years old that now have a skill that not a lot of americans have anymore and it's real and it's

something they can do for 20 25 years years, 30 years, working for a great company, building something that means something. It's freaking awesome. And a growing company, a company that you can have, you know, like a real stake in where it's like, Hey, I was there in, you know, 2021. And now here we are in 2035 is a giant ass fucking company. And I'm a big part of it. That number 215 and the fastest growing companies in America last year really yeah

But you're making great shit. You know I'm like those boots are fucking legit like when I got him I was like Fucking legit boot hand stitch you know like I love shit like that I love I'm I'm into like mechanical things and I'm into crafted things. Like I love handcrafted knives. You got to come to the factory, man. You got to come to the factory. You would freak out if you saw all the people that work in there, salt of the earth Americans, and then the machines that have been brought back from rusty piles of junk into functional machines that are creating this stuff. It's freaking beautiful

Well, because what you're saying is that like that kind of manufacturing was literally on its way to oblivion Yes, and here's country. Here's why in my opinion. Here's why the big corporations, right if you want to make a pair of jeans, right? Let's say you have American labor Which you are going to treat well because it's America and so you treat your labor force to the Best your ability. Okay, great. Then it costs you $25 to make a pair of jeans, right? Well if you take it overseas you can get it done for a lot 20-21 dollars $19 and so all the big stories that is that the savings is only like four dollars once once you end up shipping it back over here, especially right now, this is where we're winning.

This is where we're winning right now. Because the cost to ship something from overseas for a container used to be like $6,000, $7,000 for one of those big containers. Right now it's like $25,000 to $30,000 to ship a container over here. So we're winning there. But back in the day, those big corporations, and yeah, sometimes it was even more than that Sometimes they were like okay cool We can save we can get we can make them for $15 once we ship it and all this other stuff

so they're saving $10 a pair $10 a pair and They knew it was bad to move it overseas, but they wanted that extra $10 a copy They wanted that $10 a copy So what they ended up to this they slowly took the machines got it overseas and then when people started saying hey We need to make this in America. Well the the line was it's not possible. We can't do this in America We cannot do this in America That was the that was the line that they all held climate and they all kind of bet they all kind of banded together It was like oh, no, it not possible fair so Pete who started origin He gets 100% credit for saying you know what yes, we can we can build this shit in America watch this and

started bringing it be a Restructuring these looms from freaking the lat they've been used for 30 years bro 30 years piles of rust Piles of rust Wow piles of rust There's I don't know how many parts are in a loom, but it looks like a freaking There's like 50 thousand parts in this thing and you guys make jiu-jitsu keys and the best jiu-jitsu keys in the world Yeah, that's what he started with because he's a jiu-jitsu guy Oh, that was the original? That was the original was jiu-jitsu keys and then you move to jeans and boots and well, yeah

I call them I was I was in the airport and we're making keys and and it's cool a lot of people are buying the geese which is sweet And I'm in the airport one day, and I'm just sitting there looking at people waiting, and I'm seeing I'm like Oh pair of jeans pair of jeans pair of jeans pair of jeans. I'm seeing jeans freaking everywhere cuz guess what everywhere jeans I call Pete. I'm like hey, bro. I'm in the freaking airport right now. He's like. Oh, what's going on? I go how many people do you know that do jiu-jitsu, and this is a guy that's been doing jiu-jitsu for 15 years I mean how many people you actually know that the do jiu-jitsu. He's like. I don't know maybe like 40 or 50 and I go cool. How many people do you know that wear jeans? He's like everybody I go. Yes Why are we making jeans? He's like I'm on this shit

How many people wear boots? Yeah, how many people wear boots everybody how many people wear jeans everybody? But I guess what made me think of that, again, was just the fact that right now you don't have to go and go to college and go into debt if we can continue to bring this stuff back to America. And that's freaking cool, man. We have people that are moving to Maine. And we just bought another factory down in North Carolina. We got people that are now moving to these areas because they they see the vision they want they want to work with

their hands they want to do something meaningful they want to build stuff it's so gratifying to build something to make something something that's really something that's really high quality it's it's it's so gratifying and to be part of this movement we got people that are moving to Maine moving to North Carolina to join to join the team and learn the skill and get after It's freaking awesome Pete. I wasn't gonna bring this up, but Pete did talk about it the hunt line. Yeah, he did talk Yes, I'm like, okay. I guess it's out there. Yeah, it's out there. It's out there The textiles this is the thing if you buy like a high-end

Hunt outfit, you know like high-end hunt gear, you know, like high-end hunt gear, like from Sitka or something like that. Those textiles are made by Gore, right? And Gore has like incredibly complex systems that they put into place to make things waterproof and make things breathable. And how difficult is that to reproduce in America? Here's the nice thing. reproduce in America here's the nice thing here's the nice thing so for the US military there's a law that things that are bought by the US military have to be made in America mm-hmm yeah you can see I could already see your wheels turning you you figured out what it took me two seconds to figure out and which is so all the high end the highest end Military gear that we use for cold weather for hot weather for wicking for moisture control for for

insulation for breathability all that stuff America makes it so when America makes that is it only sold to the military those textiles it is only sold to the military and Jocko So and and here's why why because when you make it overseas you save however many dollars a yard You know however many dollars a yard you you you save it and guess what? Guess how much they care about the environment in China? A lot.

No. So they don't give a shit about the environment in China. They don't care what they're dumping in the water. They don't care what they're putting in the air. So they can make it a little bit cheaper. Right. And once again, big companies, what are they looking at? What are they looking at?

They're looking at how much money they can make. How much money they can make off of each little garment that they sell. And they don't care about what's getting dumped in the ocean. They don't care about what's getting put in the air, which is really bizarre because, you know, you and I like to spend time out in the wilderness. We care about the wilderness. It is a huge part of our lives. And so when you're buying American-made textiles, well, guess what? They're strict in America.

America's on the environmental forefront by a landslide, especially when you compare us to somewhere like China, which literally does not give a shit. So it took us a little while to connect these dots and confirm that we could pull it off. But as soon as we confirmed that we could pull it out That's what you know Pete was holding his tongue holding his tongue holding his tongue as we went down the road and tried to figure Out okay. Is this a feasible thing? What exactly can we produce and we figured out guess what we can absolutely get this done We're already we're making pieces right now. So we're putting stuff together right now. Wow. Yeah, cuz cuz you know the deal I was like, Hey bro, if we're going to do this, we gotta have it done by early August, bro. Cause I gotta, you know,

we gotta have this stuff out there. So we're hot on it and yeah, it's going to be awesome. And I don't know, I don't know that there is another group of Americans that are more red-blooded than hunters. Right, I mean hunters, this is where America comes from. Everyone's patriotic. Yeah, there's 100% patriotism with hunters. And so when the hunters are given the option to buy something that's made in China or buy something that's made in America,

there's no doubt in my mind what they're going to do. And look, this year we'll make as much as we can. We'll make as much as we can. We won't be able to outfit every hunter in America this year. But next year, the year after that, we'll get to a point where if you're an American red-blooded hunter and you don't want to support communism and you don't want to support slave labor

and you don't want to support people that and you don't want to support slave labor, and you don't want to support people that are trashing the very environment that we love, then that's what's going to happen. We've got to come to a point in time where there's no ethical qualms, like you don't have any ethical problems with all the products that you have. Like here's a big one.

Everybody wants to be woke, and they want to be woke on Twitter and show how conscious they are about civil rights and Human rights and but they're doing it on something that's made Essentially by slave labor. Yeah, everybody's using a fucking iPhone or they're using some other kind of a phone That is most likely made by people that are getting paid pennies an hour Yeah, and they have nets around their fucking building to keep them from jumping off the roof. That's reality. That's reality

How come we can't build a fucking cell phone in this country? Here's the deal we can We can and and we can 100% but here's the deal someone has to say this is what we're gonna just like Pete did Someone's gonna have to say cool. I got. And somebody asked me that the other day. Hey, when are we going to start making chips here? I was like, give me a few more years. We have the technology. That's something we have more know-how on how to make chips than we do on how to weave fabric. I can tell you that.

That's clear. We have the knowledge and the know-how to do that. I want a phone where I don't feel guilty buying it. I feel guilty when I buy iPhones. We will get there. Someone is listening to this podcast right now that's like 21 years old that's sitting in an electrical engineering class in a university and is like, that sounds like a good idea. If fucking Apple stepped up, Apple has more money than any corporation on earth, right? They're like one of the richest corporations that's ever existed, if not the richest, right?

If they just said, hey, we're going to give you an option for an American-made phone. We're going to continue. So we'll sell the Chinese-made phone, and it'll cost you $1,400. We'll sell you an American-made phone. It'll cost you $1,600. Fucking sign me up. Yep. Sign me up.

And a lot of people will sign up for that. They're already outrageously expensive Right, like tack on a couple extra bucks. Yeah, and it's not it's like oh the environment because again What do you think Foxconn cares about the environment over in China? They're just there's they're just polluting everything like crazy that the workers are obviously not getting take care of oh by the way What does it cost? Environmentally to load up ships and have them send stuff over here? It's across the board.

It's a win across the board. And I'll tell you what, it would be a huge investment upfront, especially for something like making phones. There would be a huge initial upfront investment. But over time, you would get that to a point where you'd be able to win this thing. You'd be able to, you could make it comparable.

It's at origin, we're competitive with price. We're competitive with price. We figured out how to do it. It can be done. Bro. It can be done. This is America, man. Yeah.

This is America. We put people on the moon. We built space shuttles. This is what we do. We can do this. We just got to stop shipping shit overseas for a small amount of profit. That's the- And we have to realize that when you spend money, your money should be, it should mean

something to you what you spend it on. Yep. And if you support American businesses, you're not just being patriotic. What you're really doing is supporting people that get paid well for their work. They get benefits. They get treated fairly Yeah, you don't have to feel like shit Yeah, like if I buy your boots, right and I keep chiming in about your boots because I really do love them

But if I buy those boots, I'm like I feel good This is a handmade boot from a real company that makes solid shit like it's solid, you know, like you feel it It feels good. I feel they feel good when I put them on Genuinely do that should be everything you buy. Yeah, that should be everything you buy and it's not Americans are going to have to invest it right now Yeah And and I think kovat helped us with this they helped us with us everyone realized all this this supply chain thing is horrible so I think people are open to that and And again will something like

a phone come in the future if it doesn't that's a travesty if it doesn't it's shame on us for for not for someone not stepping up and and doing it and i'll tell you i'll freaking do it i'll freaking do it if if no one else does it someone's gonna have to say hey we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make this happen we're gonna make this. We did find that one whack phone that's made in America, right? I just, I went a different route to read this. This came out in an article, Washington Post, July, I think is what it said it was. Three months, 700 steps, why it takes so long to produce a computer chip. The U.S. Senate has set aside $52 billion in hopes of increasing the U.S. share of semiconductor manufacturing.

A visit to a chip fab in upstate New York shows why that might not be enough. Well, it probably isn't enough, but if they can do it there, that means they can ramp it up and do it everywhere. And guess what? This reminds me of the same narrative I just told you about, which is, hey, we can't do it here. We got to keep buying them from China. Why? Because it's cheaper and they don't have to do a bunch of capital investment to make this stuff happen. Yeah.

I know why, because it's cheaper and they don't have to do a bunch of capital investment to make this stuff happen. Yeah. And it's probably also the sophistication of the equipment and the fact that they're already set up to do that over there. Global Foundries, which is wholly owned by the government of Abu Dhabi, has its headquarters in Malta, 30 minutes outside north of Albany. It's one of the main sources of U.S. production. The Malta plant runs 24 hours a day, pumping out 500,000 intricate silicon wafers a year that are then cut into individual chips. So even the one that's made in America is

owned by the government of Abu Dhabi. Hundreds of employees don elaborate protective gear. No one does bunny suits. That's hilarious. At the start of each shift, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it just goes into the production process of it. It's just talking about how difficult it is. Yeah, it's just very expensive and process of it. It's just talking about how difficult it is Yeah, it's just very expensive and hard Right, but it seems like we should have done this a long fucking time ago. It's expensive and hard right?

I guess what so it'll get easier Yeah, it'll get easier as you make investments as people learn you'll streamline the process and and we'll get better at it And you'll figure out how to do it. Yeah, I mean we're making jets Well, I was telling you about cam Haines couldn't get a Raptor. The Raptor's a Ford. You buy a Ford, you're supposed to be buying an American-made product. That's part of the pride of ownership for a lot of people that buy American cars. They want to buy American-made.

It was a time where if you drove a foreign car in Detroit, you had a real fucking problem on your hands. Because people would throw rocks at your car. They would fuck with you. A lot of those union guys would be like, hey dickhead. You're literally buying something that takes away food from the table of the people that live here. Especially when all that Roger and Me time, that

Michael Moore's documentary came out that showed how these jobs, shipping these jobs overseas destroyed these communities, destroyed these people's lives because these cities were completely dependent upon these jobs in order to function. The jobs got pulled out. The factories got pulled out.

And if you go to Detroit now, I love Detroit. Every time I go to Detroit, I have a great time. Detroit's a fucking, those people are fun. They're fun people. But God damn it it It's depressing when you drive around you see all these factories with smashed windows completely abandoned stripped of their copper Stripped you know like people are just trying to sell things that they steal from these places You could buy a house in Detroit at one point in time for like 500 bucks Like literally yeah

You could buy a house for like a few hundred dollars and and a lot of New England look like that from a textile perspective the all kinds of factories is the same thing wasn't cars it was making textiles it was sewing stuff and it all got pulled away and there's an abandoned factories all over New England from that yeah it's just we we can't rely on I mean that should have been the biggest wake-up call of kovat you can't rely on getting all your stuff from other countries and have it ship over here in crates. And, you know, people are seeing this shipping crisis

and they're looking at it in terms of like, oh, we've got a problem. There's not enough truckers. We've got a problem. The boats are off-season. No, we've got a problem. We're not making shit right here. That's the problem. If we're making shit right here, like, we have a housing problem. We have an employment problem. Here we're making shit right here, like we have a housing problem, we have an employment problem.

Here's a fucking solution to that. Yeah. You know, give people jobs, like real solid jobs that have great benefits where you can work and go on vacation. You can have a nice home. You know, you could drive a nice car. You could send your kids to a good school. And you're doing something meaningful. You're making good school. And you're doing something meaningful.

Yes. You're making something people use. You're doing something meaningful. And you're helping America. Yeah. You're helping the whole damn country when you're building something here. This can be done. This can be done.

I'm all in with your hunt line. Sign me up. Put me in, coach. Let's go. We'll make it happen. We'll make it happen for sure. When I heard about it, I was like, fuck, yeah. We'll make it happen.

We'll make it happen for sure. When I heard about it, I was like, fuck, yeah. I feel like that is something that, in particular, as you said, that is like that part of the world, the outdoors part of the world, the outdoors part of this country is such a patriotic lover of the land, appreciating what America has to offer. And for people that don't understand, America is incredibly unique in its public land opportunities for outdoorsmen and outdoors women and, you know, people who like hunting and fishing and camping and recreation and just kayaking and anything you want to do in the outdoors. We have an immense amount of public

land that's accessible to anyone who's an American. It's amazing. It's an incredible system that was set up by Teddy Roosevelt, set up by a person who really loved what this country had to offer in terms of the incredible diversity of landscape and wildlife. And then they put into play the Pittman-Robertson Act that takes a certain percentage of all handgun sales and pistol sales and rifles and ammunition and hunting gear and all the stuff that people use. And then 11% of that goes into this fund that helps conserve wildlife habitat, helps make sure that wildlife or they're monitoring the numbers and helps pay for the conservation of these incredible places.

Yeah. It's a huge part of America and it's been a shame that we have been, we shipped all that stuff overseas. So we're bringing it back. We're right here. So many things can be made here. I mean, there's, we're very fortunate that most of the compound bows are made here. Well, here's a great one.

Gun manufacturers. Gun manufacturers are made in America. There's a lot of fucking guns made in America. You know, and a lot of small independent companies, a lot of large companies, pistols, shooting sports equipment rifles for hunting a lot of that shit is made in america yeah well that's how we won freaking two world wars yeah right we can make shit faster than anybody else we have all this raw material we have this technological know-how and we were just oh you guys want to go to war with us cool watch this we're gonna make more freaking tanks more ships more planes than any of you can even fathom. That's how we're gonna roll

yeah, and that is gone kind of slipped away from us and it's become a almost like a Frivolously looked at thing the idea of made in America like when you used to see something that's made in China You'd go. Oh, it's cheap That was the thing when I was a kid if you saw something made in China you thought it was cheap you know and even the cars back then like Japanese pulled it off they really pulled it off because what they figured out how to do is make something that's insanely reliable like the Japanese automobiles are so fucking reliable they're, what were you driving when you were overseas? Everybody's driving Toyota. Yeah, Land Cruisers.

I mean, they're just, they're so goddamn good. But we could have done that here. They could have done that in America. Well, we give props to the Humvee, which is a total beast of a vehicle. It's almost like not a vehicle. It's so awesome. But that's a complete military vehicle, unless you're Arnold. But it's made in America. Yes, it is. It's made in America. And it's so right it's so awesome but that's a complete military vehicle unless

you're arnold but it's made in america yes it's made in america right and it's a badass vehicle yeah across the board you know they take them now and because they're kind of underpowered because not really meant for drag racing but they they take them now and there's companies that uh outfit them with preposterous engines yeah because they ours had like a 6.3 diesel in them yeah what are they putting just like a monster oh yeah there's a company in florida jamie that's that that does it they take old decommissioned humvees they take them they refurbish them they put dope interiors in them and they put like a thousand horsepower engine in it that's's America right there. Yeah.

Did I say something about keeping everything clean? Put a thousand horsepower engine in it. Put an electric engine. But even that, there's kind of a fallacy to that too. Something has to make all those batteries, whereas the batteries have to be pulled, the minerals have to be pulled out of the ground. You have hardcore,-scale mining and that's a lot of that shit's coming from afghanistan too and somebody's got to make all that electricity too that electricity coming through the wires it's coming from heaven exactly exactly yeah what's really ironic is like nuclear is one of

the cleanest forms of electricity yep yep it is oh there it is order me one bullet motorsports do this company look at that fucking monster of a truck god damn that makes my dick hard look at that thing that thing is so awesome these are so capable they are so capable it's it's like like i said it's almost like it's not a car because they have so much capability the way that they're designed that That would be the dope it. Keep that weird. I have a video. And they're not designed for comfort.

I just wanted to make sure. Give me some volume. Give me some volume. That's some cheesy music. Oh, terrible music. Alligators, Florida. Welcome to Florida. Yeah.

So what kind of engine? It says the Beast Monster Humvee. Let me see it doing something bro not just driving around on a dirt road do that with a car in the seal teams we would send our drivers to a school where they would go and do the rubicon trail in a humvee oh really which is freaking badass like that's a high level of skill to to bring a humvee because they're so wide oh because so you have to like teach them how to drive on dirt roads, how to slide around, how to make... So what is this guy...

Hold on. He was about to open up the engine. He was going to open... Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, Jamie. You don't know shit about engines. I know what you're looking for. You wanted to see it climbing walls and shit, I thought. I want to see the engine too, though.

I want to see what you got in there. Essentially the injection pump too. Cadillac valve. Right next to the Cadillac valve, you have your relays for all your lights. Cooling bottle was replaced, all new belts. This truck was overheating, we had to do the thermostat as well. We've got a cast car grounding kit and then the customer requested that he could be able to forward water, so we put a forwarding kit on it.

Take a look at the inner fender skirts, all new hardware. Inside of the, or underneath the hood fender skirts, all new hardware. Inside of the or underneath the hood, it's all new hardware as well. I would say we have about $35,000 to $4,000 in hardware in this truck. Unbelievable. We used to go so deep on these

like we would rehearse. Like if you flat tire, we'd be like a pit crew getting out. Changing tires because if you've got to do that shit in combat you got to be good at it Well what these people are doing is I think just purely recreational, but also Pretty fucking amazing. Yeah, but the thing is like I can't even park my TRX I have that that the new Ram or Dodge one? I got a Hennessey one that has 900 horsepower. I told Dudley to look at one of those things because I was out hunting,

and I kept going, and Dudley's like, whatever that thing is, what's that? He's got like a Ram 3500 or something, but it's got the super stiff suspension, and every trip out is just like a freaking beat down, and then somebody had a Raptor. Oh, yeah. And we just fucking lied it out. Floated over there. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, I used to have a Raptor, but I sold a Raptor. Oh yeah. And we just floated over there.

I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. I used to have a Raptor, but I sold my Raptor to cam. Cam's got my Raptor. I might've found the wrong place. This place is another one.

Hummer heaven at predator Florida. Oh, that's even better. Tons of Hummers. Hummer heaven. Oh yeah. Oh, so they only sell Hummers here.

Look at that guy. He looks like he sells Hummers. That guy's down for the cause. That dude is blood light flowing through his veins. I want that guy working on my Hummer. That guy looks like he sells Hummers Yeah dude That guy's down for the cause That dude His butt light Flowing through his veins I want that guy Working on my Hummer

That guy looks like He knows how to fix shit Look at him Look at that beard But these fucking guys So what do they make it Oh look at the engine Yeah that's what I'm talking about

That's what you need I figured this was Yeah What's this Give me some volume What kind of What are we talking about here bro I'm gonna rig something up

Real quick to get it started And we'll get it... Look at the fucking radiator on this bitch. I'm sure you used that key a lot during your high school years. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's a diesel. You get something right finally. Finally.

So he's probably got a turbocharged diesel. Yep, there it is. There's the turbines. When you go to the website, what does it say they do in terms of like... I bet you they can put anything in there you want. I bet they can now. Yeah. Yeah, because it's basically just the shell and the drivetrain.

You just need something that interfaces with the transmission. But the way it's built so the transmission is in the center and everything is above ground it gives you the most ultimate clearance like if you people that are into like four by fours what does it say 6.5 liter turbo diesel yeah that's probably got some serious work on nice that is yeah see that's what they're doing now they're putting these like a real nice interior no no no no. I kind of have like a little bit of an aversion. Yeah, I see it. Because I spent so much time sitting in the,

and you got your helmet on, your body armor, and it's all dark and you're looking through night vision and it's loud and freaking, you're waiting to get blowed up. Well, Arnold had a real one. Arnold was driving around a real one, you know? Yeah, yeah. The closest thing that you can get to

a military vehicle that's readily available that's very fast is uh mercedes g wagon because that was my wife has one of those and the fucking the door is thick as fuck dude yeah they're steel ass heavy fucking doors we had my kid accidentally slammed my pinky i'm surprised you still have your pinky i know i'm shocked we got lucky it only caught the tip of my pinky I'm surprised you still have your pinky I know I'm shocked I got lucky it only caught the tip of my pinky And it compressed it enough So that it actually fit in that little slot And so I go

Open the fucking door And when she opened the door My pinky survived Because what was that My one daughter was in the front seat And I had my hand on the sill, and my pinky was on the edge. And so when she slammed the door in the back seat, my pinky got smashed. But it's there, and I even kept my fingernail.

We had these armored G-wagons. Oh, yeah. And unlike a lot of the other armored vehicles, they would just take an vehicle and just apply an armor package to it So they kind of bolted together, but the g-wagons were legit kind of engineered to be armored So they were just deluxe. I think they cost five hundred and fifty thousand dollars a copy Yeah, and and they sell them to the Russians you could roll down the windows So no, that's not normal. No in a in a armored vehicle You could roll down the windows and the window That's not normal in an armored vehicle.

You could roll down the windows and the window would roll down. And the window has to weigh probably 80 pounds. I mean, and it's that thick. Wow. That's freaking legit. They put some money into those things and some engineering into those things. I think they sell it like that from Mercedes. I think they might. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's like, even if it's not from Mercedes, it's someone that's a German that's like in the next door that's like, yes, give us chassis.

We will go from here. We can make this work. This is not a problem. I think, see if they can find that online, because I think Mercedes does sell g-wagons, and I think if I'm not wrong. I think they made them spec for like the Shah of Iran Or something I think he was so I think was something like that Yeah, that designed that vehicle like the seven yeah Yeah, that is that is like the history somebody ordered a bunch of them. Some rich country ordered.

They wanted a vehicle that was good for running around the desert. And they ended up with the G-Wagon. Yeah. Well, a lot of those Middle Eastern countries, they love Land Cruisers. They buy the shit out of Toyota Land Cruisers because they don't fucking break. Yeah. Land Cruisers are freaking legit. You're asking if Mercedes makes it armored?

Yeah. I wasn't saying that. I found out quite a few companies that were doing it secondhand. Oh, okay. But I feel like Mercedes makes one. This one's 740 grand. There it is. $740,000 bulletproof Mercedes SUV has an escape hatch, a night vision system, and will protect

you from up to 33 pounds of explosives. Yeah. Jesus Christ. That's what you need, bro. That's what I need. That's what you need. That's why I don't have one of those. Oh, that's from Brabus.

Oh, Brabus. Is that what he said? Brabus, how do you say it? I don't know. It's a tank. It's not as good as my, my German's not as good as my Chinese is. Yeah, they're making bulletproof vehicles for like Russian gangsters. Yeah.

That's a- Yeah, like I typed in Mercedes armored G-Wagon. It just was giving me the companies that were doing it. Why don't you type in, does Mercedes make an armored G-Wagon? Well, I would assume that that would try to sell it to me right away because Mercedes probably has more money. I would assume, but I don't know, man. They probably don't give a fuck about like the algorithm. Yeah, and that's also such a small market. market because it's such a specialized such a giant company to be G Well, it's typically armored level

B6 plus this bulletproof Mercedes protected. Oh from that same company Alpina is that what it is says Alpine Alpine okay,. Because Alpina, that's a German company that does BMWs. Does it say? $1.2 million. What? G63. Oh, it's a limo. Armored, bulletproof, 2020 Mercedes G63 AMG for sale.

Oh, that's the limo? That's the limo. That's the $1.2 million. Go up above. Scroll back down to where you were and go to that one right there. Click that, yeah. Armor Max. Yeah.

So that is one that's for sale that's armored. Yeah, it looks like a regular G-Wagon. No one would have any idea. That's how it's supposed to be. You're floating around in this fucking tank of a vehicle. The crazy thing about those things is how fast they are They move yeah under four seconds zero to sixty. That's fully armored Pretty well, that's that's amazing. That's not gonna wild 500 horsepower zero to sixty in four seconds That's legit. Yeah, that armor package is not light. Yeah, that's uh and it looks like a regular g-wagon

Yeah, that's the next vehicle for your wife, but the thing is, like, the wheels aren't bulletproof. No, they'll have run flats on them. They're making wheels now, or tires rather, that don't take air. Have you seen those? They have pockets in them. A good armored vehicle has something called run flats, which is going to keep going. You can probably go 50 miles an hour on your run flats. Right, but they're now making tires that no longer need to be inflated. Oh, that's gonna keep going you can probably go 50 miles an hour right on your run flats, right?

But they're now making tires that no longer need to be inflated Oh, that's cool The tire is essentially instead of having a big air pocket in them what they have is like this Waffle shape inside a honeycomb type. Yeah, and so that's what it looks like So that's a different one, but there's quite a few different companies that are doing it I've always kind of thought that made sense totally when I was a little kid I always thought like why would you want to just fill this with kind of you know air is dumb as fuck? Why would you need it's like you have a hole like a balloon. Yeah, yeah, we're running out on a balloon

Yeah, well if you've ever had a blowout like you go, why is this real? Why why can a thing just blow out? Why haven't they not engineered those fucking things on everything? Have you had a blowout? I've never had a blowout. I've had flats. I ran over a railroad tie that was in the middle of the fucking one-on-one once. Oh, damn. Yeah.

Oh, I destroyed my wheels. I was in a- What vehicle were you in? A Toyota Supra. Yeah. That didn't cause a major freaking accident it was uh what's the metal part the what's is that called the tie the tie is the big chunk of wood the wood right what's the metal part the rail the rail yeah that's what i hit a chunk of of railroad rail got it was on

the highway yeah it destroyed my tire for sure and but it was a Luckily that car handles really well, so it was like and that and then Because there was no no rubber left but I was reasonably close to the exit and so I Knew I could probably easily die if I pulled over on the side of the 101 because so many people are retarded Yeah, so I took the exit and then I pulled over on the side of the 101, because so many people are retarded. So I took the exit and then I pulled over and I looked at it.

I was like, holy shit. My wheel was destroyed. The front wheel was destroyed. The back wheel was just kind of fucked up. The front wheel was just mangled. You just said retarded. I did. My new book.

I kind of almost did. I almost had to publish it myself because of that word. Well, you know what it means it means like slow to learn or Learning the wrong way like you've been You've been held back in learning because you've had you've applied the wrong kind of thinking to things. It does not mean someone with down syndrome this idea that those two are mutually, like they're the same thing and it's a slur

or it's a terrible thing to say, that's not true. It's not right. You're right, right? So there's a context when it's perfectly okay to say that word, right? Where it makes sense. Should it be used in a derogatory way? No. Right, right? Okay. Got it. So I wrote this book over here

It's called final spin and in the book. There's two brothers one of the brothers one of the brothers he's like 30 years old and he has some kind of Mental impairment. It's he's basically autistic. I Don't really say that in the book but that's well the characters based on a person that I knew that was autistic and so and And so he's really kind of awkward socially awkward and he's really into laundry and he works at a laundromat

and he's always focused on doing laundry and he starts his impresses everything and But he's you know, he's kind of weird and he of dresses weird, and he kind of acts a little bit strange. And he's got a younger brother that's 23 years old, kind of a street smart kid who's funny and handsome and cool. But he's kind of made some bad decisions in his life, so he's working at a big box store as a stock boy at night. so Anyways in one of the scenes in the book the the older brother comes into a bar to drop off some stuff Drop off some laundry to his younger brother and as he's leaving one of the like some group of drunks are like a fucking retard and The younger brother hears it and he's like, all right, we're gonna go beat these guys asses and so that's what happens

But I saw I submit the the book you know to my manuscript to my publisher and they're like hey you can't use this word and I was like well no it's part of the dialogue of someone being mean to a person shitty person and they get beat up before doing that and and and they were really adamant about changing that and it's the whole whole story is like this beautiful story about this brother Who takes care of his other brother and ends up they there's a whole freakin? The the laundry the laundromat is gonna get sold and so the younger brother thinks all right I need to get the I need to buy this laundromat for my older brother Otherwise it can be miserable and the only way he can think of to get the money is to steal It and he steals it from or attempts to steal it

Tends to steal it from the big-box store that he works at Things don't always go as planned, but that was the part kind of the point of the story It's a beautiful story about this younger brother trying to help his older brother and and it was really offensive and and they were wanting me to change that I'm like hey that's part of the story like this is the language that gets used in an offensive manner but what I'm that doesn't make any sense to change it and eventually I kind of won the argument and thankfully they supported me but it's like that level of censorship where hey you can't say a word you can't even say this word because it's offensive well especially when you're writing a novel no yeah right so in a novel you're

creating good characters and bad characters and this is how a bad character is going to speak about someone who's mentally impaired yeah yeah it's like that woke shit i mean that's one of the best things trump's ever said woke turns everything into shit you know it's true it really is it's like it's just the idea behind it i get it they want to be good people they want to be nice you don't want someone's feelings to be hurt so let's eliminate those words but words have nuance and they mean different things depending on how you use them and i have a whole bit about it in my act i'll tell you after the podcast a bit but it's it's it's infuriating this idea that you know you can't say you know well when i was younger i was fucking retarded because when i was younger i thought in a

dumb way it doesn't mean i'm saying mentally impaired i don't use that word ever if i'm talking about someone who has down syndrome or something i use it where like people are slow to learn if they're learning they're thinking the wrong things they're they're you know involved in the dumbest fucking conspiracy theories. That's what the word's for. It means different things depending upon when you use it. Yeah. The mob, the woke mob, the thing that's good about mobs is that they eventually eat themselves.

Yes. That's what's good about mobs. Yes. But what's scary about it is like the Salem witch trials right the Salem witch trials if I Didn't want to be accused of being a witch the best way for me to protect myself was to accuse you of being a witch That was the best and that's exactly what they did and they just pointed the fingers at each other and they killed people And eventually people were like oh this actually doesn't make much sense We need to stop they started to eat themselves and you can see that happening with the woke. Oh, oh, this actually doesn't make much sense. We need to stop. They started to eat themselves.

And you can see that happening with the woke mob. Oh, yeah. Right? They have no problem going after each other. As long as it's not them. As long as it's not them as an individual, they will turn on that person to show that they're more virtuous than that person. They're going to call everyone else a witch so that no one mistakes them for a witch, which is really disturbing. The world of comedy has a real problem with wokeness.

But here's the good part. The woke people are not funny. They're just not. They're just not. All my friends that are funny are not woke. All the people that I know that have gone woke have gone woke because they lack talent. And they try to virtue signal and they try to do it on stage and they'll say things like if your comedy is non-inclusive and it

doesn't uplift all people of all ethnicities and all genders and all sexual orientations then your comedy is bullshit like hey hey hey that's not comedy that's that's not comedy. That's not comedy. That's not going to work out for you. You can do all those things in comedy. You can do all those things in comedy if it calls for it. If the thing that you're doing does have an element of how you feel about a certain ethnicity or a certain sexual orientation that you feel like they're getting a raw deal, and you can come up with some good funny shit to uplift them and to be funny but it has to be funny because these people are not doing it because they want to be funny they're doing it because they want the brownie points and they haven't figured out how to be funny is there any successful comedian that is woke

they try but their stuff turns to shit that is like Trump is correct in that manner like to if they try to be woke with their act their act turns to shit Isn't a big part of being funny making fun of people. Yeah things. Yeah other people is that self? That's yeah, the deal exactly. Yeah, then there's a balance right you have to make fun of yourself more than you make fun of other people Like that's the balance That's how you can get away with a lot of things and that's how it, right? You have to make fun of yourself more than you make fun of other people. That's the balance. That's how you can get away with a lot of things, and that's how it makes sense to the people that are listening. They're like, oh, this guy's an equal opportunity offender.

He's shitting on everybody, including himself, including his mom, all of his friends, everything he supports and loves. You make fun of everything. The people that aren't willing to do that, and they just want to say – they want claps. They'll say things for claps instead of saying things for laughs. Like, hey, that's why I have a podcast, bitch. If I have a point that's important and something I really feel about something, I can say it.

I don't have to say it in my act. And that became a trap for a lot of comedians when this woke stuff happened because there's people out there that don't really have opinions. What they have is an opportunity to say things they think other people are going to agree with. It's not really their opinion. It's just they lick their finger. They're like, this is some fucking due north wind, and I'm hopping on this boat, and I'm going to say some shit that is going to – I'm going to throw some other comedians under the bus. How about that? That's how I'm going to prop myself out. And you saw a lot of that from a lot, like when a comedian would get

in trouble for something, you know, there was a lot of comedians that would try to position themselves higher up on the social food chain by attacking those comedians and showing their vote virtue as opposed to this terrible person who's done this Unsightly thing and this is one of the things that a weak character person will do instead of just doing their best they'll try to find someone who they think is a Legitimate target, you know for their ire and they'll try to take them down, but those people all suck The beautiful thing is those people suck. I heard you talking the other day. I don't know. I forget who you were talking to, but you were getting super nostalgic about the comedy store in a certain time period where it was just like as awesome as it could be. Well, I don't know when that was. Comedy store has been

pretty, it was pretty awesome up until COVID. Now I can't even work there. I can't know when that was. The Comedy Store has been pretty – it was pretty awesome up until COVID. Now I can't even work there. I can't even work there because I'm not vaccinated. I literally can't go in the door. Really? Really. This is before LA even had a mandate. They had changed it where everyone had to be vaccinated to work there

and everyone had to be vaccinated to go to the club. It doesn't even make sense because not only that, but a vaccinated comic gave it to 12 people there had to be vaccinated to go to the club. Doesn't even make sense. Because not only that, but a vaccinated comic gave it to 12 people there and it wound up spreading to a total of 40 people totally that were traced back. Many of them went to the hospital, by the way. Vaccinated comic. Did they open it?

Is it open right now? Yeah, it's open. I can't work there. Meanwhile, I have better antibodies than any of those vaccinated fucks. You know, there's a problem when it comes to leadership, and you can see this really starting to come through. So the problem, a mistake that you can make as a leader

is imposing your will on people. It's a huge mistake to make. And, you know, someone that's new to leadership, they get promoted, and all of a sudden they've got that power, and they think that this gives them the authority to impose their will On other people and it's it's an amateur move to make You know if I tell you hey Joe, here's the mission. Here's how you're gonna do it They say oh, I want you to do it, you know, I and I make you do it a certain way

No, Matt just about any human Doesn't like that doesn't like we don't like to have things imposed on us. And I will say this, especially Americans. Now you can take a culture and you can impose things on them for so long that they just are used to it. They get more used to it. They never get totally used to it. But you know, when I went to Iraq in the beginning, those people had had law imposed on them by Saddam Hussein for so long that they were just scared. Right. So we're doing OK. They were kind of on board. But as soon as they saw, OK, we're out of that, they started to come to life.

So this idea from a leadership perspective of imposing things on people is never a good move. It's never a good move. And that's why as soon as you start using the term mandate there's humans again especially americans but all human beings they don't like that right they don't like it and they start to say wait a second what are you what are you talking about what you can't make me do that i'm not gonna do you can't make me do this And so it's a bad It's a bad leadership move and the only thing that can make that bad leadership move worse is to take something that you're really not a hundred percent sure about and impose that on someone which is exactly what you see with these

Government mandates that they're trying to put down and at the comedy Comedy store to start to impose this on people something that they're not no one can be a hundred percent sure about this stuff. Why would you act like you're a hundred percent sure? Why would you say hey everyone everyone has to do this? That's a bad leadership move and it causes people to reject what you're saying. It's not even logical because if they wanted to do it logically what they would say is hey folks we're gonna do a rapid antigen test on everybody who comes into the club dave and i did that when we did the shows at stubs in austin during the pandemic we tested 800 fucking people a show or whatever the number was whatever it was hundreds and hundreds of people whatever fucking show people would get there at

6 p.m for an eight o'clock show they'd get tested they find out they're clean and then they feel good because that was back when there was no vaccine available, too. So everybody would be like, whoa, let's have a drink. I don't have COVID. Holy shit. And then they would come and sit down, have a great comedy club, and do it outside. And it felt special because it felt like we're figuring out a way to do this in the middle of this chaos. And we were allowed to do it in Texas because Texas is a lot freer than other places.

You can get away. Like in California, they wouldn't even allow outdoor shows, which is crazy. But if you're going to say that everyone has to be vaccinated and you're going to deny the people that have natural immunity because of a prior infection, well, now you're doing nonsense. Because now you're saying that a chemical which is inferior in its protection is mandatory which doesn't make any sense and on top of that you're not going to test people so if you if you're going to assume that these people because they're vaccinated don't have covid well you're wrong all the time and you're definitely wrong with the case of my one friend who wound up infecting 12 people, eventually gave it to 40 other people. And again, a bunch of them got hospitalized, vaccinated people.

And so you take all that lack of concrete knowledge, which there's obviously a ton of it. And then you just say, yep, despite the fact that we're not a hundred percent sure, we don't really know what this does, but here's our mandate. We're going to impose. That's a bad move to make for leaders. It's a bad move to make. It's a bad move to make for a city and it's a bad move to make for a club. It's a bad move to make period. But it's a move that scared people make because of the woke mob, because there's a lot of these people that for fucking years hated and distrusted the pharmaceutical companies. And now all of a sudden they're

getting Pfizer tattoos. It's wild shit, man. That's another flip-flop, right? It's what happens when cowards encounter adversity. When cowards encounter adversity, they give in quick. They give in quick and they decide that what they're doing by giving in quick is virtuous. They're scared. They're scared. They don't know what to do. They're panicky. And anything that fucking throws this normal course of life, this normal predictable pattern of behavior that they've been following for all their life, all of a sudden that's gone. And then you got to, what to do? What to do? What to do? How do we get back to normal? Here's a path to normal. The vaccine is both safe and effective. Well, it's safe and effective.

Take it back to normal. Get back to normal. And they just all hop on board. And if you don't hop on board, you're a plague rat and a piece of shit. Despite evidence to the contrary. Despite all these people that millions and millions of people who got infected from COVID have lifelong probably immunity. I mean, whatever it is, it's very long-lasting. I mean, they've tested people now.

Jamie's got antibodies from a fucking year-plus ago. Damn. Jamie got sick in October of last year. So it's a year-plus in. When did you just get your antibodies tested? Yesterday. Fat antibodies. By the way, never got sick again,

but most likely encountered COVID again and boosted his antibodies because the antibodies by the way never got sick again but most likely encountered covid again and boosted his antibodies because the antibodies did the job so this guy got sick 13 fucking months ago and he's essentially immune to covid how bad was it did you get it bad no not at all i mean there wasn't even any treatments then so he didn't even know he had it that was me he thought he had a nose infection yeah i didn't know i had it and i had it i got tested because i was going to a trip and i like told my whole team hey everyone get tested you know just be cool and sure enough i was the one that got it yeah i i knew i was sick when i had it well this is what happened with me first of all i was doing arenas in flor in Florida because Florida doesn't give a fuck about COVID.

So meanwhile, I can't even perform. How crazy is that? I can't even perform at the comedy store in Hollywood. And I'm doing sold out arenas in Florida. That's so horrible. So it's like 14,000 people and I'm in the center of it. So it's a COVID storm of people laughing. So you're in this giant stadium this arena right and i'm in the

center is where the stage is it's called you know in the round right so i'm walking around the circular and then when i get off i'm going through thousands of people and i'm high five and everybody high five everybody shaking everybody's hands saying you, thanks a lot. And they're all like, yeah. Spitting on you. They're spitting on you. And so we do Friday night. I think it was, the way it worked, it was Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando. I think that's how the order was. Super spreader events.

Yes, three super spreader events. So we do Fort Lauderdale, have a great fucking time. And then we do Orlando, and I meet my buddy John showman there It was like this legendary pool cue manufacturer makes the best pool cues in the world and John and I go out and play pool Afterwards till like 3 30 in the morning, and I got hammered Drinking margaritas and then that night I felt really shitty But I thought I was just hung over right because I like seven had like seven or eight drinks. Was that the last show? That was the second show.

Okay, so you had one more show. I did a show, apparently, sick with COVID. Crushed. Had a great fucking time. Now who's high-fiving who? I know, but I don't think I was symptomatic yet. Because I definitely felt a little tired, but I thought I was just hungover. I thought it was because I was pretty drunk.

And I was also not just drunk, but stayed out really late. Like we stayed out at that pool hall until 3.30 in the morning. And then I was like, oh, we're driving back. I was like, I'm so tired. I can't wait to go to sleep. But that's all I was thinking. Like, boy, I'm just exhausted. And then I woke up.

I'm like, oh, God, I feel like shit. But I thought it was a hangover. When did the bells go off? When I was flying home. Like, when I landed, I was like, you know, I don't feel right. I was like, I just feel, like, kind of, like, weak. Like, I felt like, ugh. Like, something feels off.

And I didn't drink at all Saturday night. Like, at all. I didn't. I just had coffee, did the did the show drank water did the show stone cold sober and then when I got home I said to my wife I go I'm gonna sleep in another section of the house just in case stay away from me I don't know but and then in the middle of the night I was sweating like crazy and I was like okay this is something this is like I'm I'm obviously have some sort of a fever yeah like because I sweat through like three pairs of sweatpants.

Were you thinking Miss Rona? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was in Florida. Florida's the Rona capital of the world. Was there any ever reports like about some massive outbreak from the people that went to those shows? No.

Anything ever come up on social media like, oh, yeah, I was there and I got it too. Like, right. Well, we're two years in, right? By this time, fucking everybody's got COVID that's going to get COVID or they're going to get COVID soon. It's like, you can't stop COVID now. And that's, that's something that both epidemiologists and virologists and doctors are all admitting now.

This is something with my initial take on COVID. So when, you know, I was having calls with my, Ashland Front, my leadership consulting, and we were having calls like, okay, you know, all of our stuff got canceled. And my initial take, which ended up being pretty freaking accurate,

I said, hey, you know what happens when you as a human get a virus? What happens? You're like, well, you get sick, you lose some, you know, you throw it up or whatever, you lose freaking 10 pounds,

15 pounds over three days, you sweat it out, you feel like crap, and then you come out the other the the virus runs its course That's what happens, and I said from what I think This is a big virus and that kind of that kind of thing is gonna replicate as in the world this virus is gonna run its course and Some people are gonna get sick some people are gonna die You know that's the losing weight and we didn't know at the time, but it's especially if you have other conditions It's gonna run its course and then you're gonna come out and will that'll be that it'll just like and that Seems to be the reality it's gonna run its course if you're sick if you got whatever underlying conditions or other health problems

It's a big risk a bigger risk for you. And if you're young and healthy, it's probably not and I know that there's the anecdotal You know 27 year old triathlete that died of of kovat and that's freaking horrible But the the general thing my opinion was like, oh this thing's gonna run its course and it kind of seems that's what you're saying like, hey It's gonna run its course. It's gonna run its course. And it kind of seems, that's what you're saying. Like, hey, it's gonna run its course. You're not gonna stop its course. What drives me crazy is that this monoclonal antibody solution

is not being highly touted. It's not being... Is it difficult to make? Is it what? I don't know. Does it cost a lot of money? They're giving it out in Florida. Ari got it for free in Florida.

They're giving it like crazy. And ready for this? In Texas, there was a video of a guy who went to do it. It was a young white guy. And they told him, if you were a different ethnicity, we would give it to you. But you're not in an endangered ethnicity. So there's certain ethnicities that are more vulnerable to COVID by their estimation.

So if you were Mexican or you were African American, we would give you the vaccine. So this guy, he made a video of it where the woman's explaining it to him. He's like, really? So you're telling me if I was Mexican or if I was African American, I would get the vaccine being my same age, my same weight? She goes, yes, that's the protocol they have in place. And he was like, what the fuck? And she was like, I just work here. She was basically just saying this is what the system is,

this is how they have it set up. Because you mentioned earlier, you're like, oh yeah, you got to execute this protocol, but you're like, oh I have all these resources, but these aren't expensive things then. But they used to be available everywhere. This is the difference. When before, probably before I started blabbing about it,

and before other people started blabbing about it, you used to be able to get monoclonal antibodies everywhere in Texas and in a lot of other states too. Is it a specific thing for COVID? Yes. It is 100% for COVID, and it's available through emergency use authorization just like the vaccine is.

But it kills COVID like a bullet. Yeah. Dude, it's like a 24-hour ride. And when the ride's over, you're like, oh, hmm. Everyone that I know that takes it says the same thing. It killed Ari's COVID real quick. My buddy Brigham, same deal. Tim Poole, same deal. Aaron Rodgers.

Is it not sold by a big pharma company or something? It's Regeneron. Regeneron makes it. I mean, it is. It doesn't cost money for the person, but the state's paying for it. Here's what Florida's aggressive push of monoclonal antibody treatment costs. Yeah, it costs money. But here's the thing.

So does the fucking vaccine. But here's the thing. This stuff, if you have COVID and then you get monoclonal antibodies, boom. You're good. You're good. Not only that, here's another one. If you are, now this you have to check because this is something that Tim Poole told me, and I make sure this is true, that even if you get the monoclonal antibodies and you

don't have an infection, it offers you protection for eight months. If that's true, that means the monoclonal antibodies are more effective than the vaccine. Because the vaccine, like four months in, I know people that have got COVID. I know a guy who got COVID three months after getting vaccinated. And he was like, what the fuck, man? Like, why did I just do it? Because the vaccine was rough on him, too. Like, he got the vaccine, felt like dog shit.

Let me ask you this. If COVID didn't hit the news so much, like let's say there wasn't social media. Let's say this happened in 1958 or something like this, right? Do you think we would still be talking about it or you think people would just be like, oh yeah, that was a thing six months ago? It's hard to say because it is a part of the news

and it's valuable. Like, it's an engine for fueling views. It's an engine for controlling the population. And here's my biggest fear. It's an engine for the institution of some sort of a social credit system. And I think that's coming. And I think we've got to fight like fucking tooth and claw to keep that. Here it is.

Regeneron released data that indicated one dose antibody cocktail cut the risk of catching the virus by nearly 82% from two to eight months. For two to eight months. I don't know why four, two to eight months. Maybe they just tested two, but they tested some people to eight. So just giving them the cocktail cuts their chances of getting covid it's essentially like a vaccine but it's something you can give to someone when they have covid it doesn't have any side effects and it kills the covid it's wild shit dude yeah i i don't know it seems like it's just always it's such a clickbait story and we just keep propagating

the story over and over and over and over and over again There's a little bit of that, but there's also very clear in for influence of both the media and of the politicians by these massive Pharmaceutical companies particularly like Pfizer like brought to you by fine You buy Pfizer. You ever seen that? Yeah, yeah. I saw your clip. That compilation is wild.

Well, that was another flip-flop. It was before, you know, when Trump was president, they were saying, oh, I would never get this vaccine. Yes. And now all of a sudden it's imposed. The same people. The same people. There's compilations of these people saying, yeah, you go ahead and take that Trump vaccine.

Who the fuck knows what's in that? The same people. Like, if you don't take that vaccine, you're a fucking piece of shit and a plague rat. You're a murderer. That's real. You killed my grandma. Yeah. That's real.

That's real. Yeah, those tweets, side by side, there's a host of them. A bunch of people have curated these. See, people are losing their minds, bro. Oh, yeah. They are. And it's, again, it's people that are not, they're cowards, and they're not good at adversity.

This same guy said that vaccines are cheaper and best way to go, Scheifler. They're cheap and you can make billions of doses, he said, but our data now indicates that antibodies are the key player in the sense that they're sufficient. You might not need the cellular immunity. It might add something, but antibodies are sufficient based on these data to protect you from getting COVID-19. Listen, I don't know why it costs more money. I don't know what the price is.

He didn't think the Regeneron could produce enough antibodies at an affordable price to use them as widely as vaccine. Interesting. So then you give it to people that are at bigger risk. Yeah, or give them to people that catch it. Give them to people that catch it. You're giving the vaccines to everybody, right? So you need hundreds of millions of people. You're assuming you're not going to get hundreds of millions of infections of COVID, not at every one chance. And I'm not even saying you shouldn't get vaccinated. But what is they don't they're trying to keep people from getting this they're making it more difficult to get this but when you do get it holy shit does it work yeah ask aaron rogers that motherfucker was playing real good after he recovered

you know i mean the idea that a super athlete like aaron rogers should he should have to do the exact same thing as everyone when it comes to dealing with a virus. It's nonsense. Especially a guy like him who's literally allergic to one of the ingredients in the mRNA vaccines. It literally says on the CDC website, if you're allergic, what is it? Propylethylene glycol?

Is that how you say it again? See if you can find out what it is. I'll remember it this time. Polyethylene glycol. He had this allergy. It literally says on the CDC's website if you are allergic to that, do not take the mRNA vaccines. It says it.

He would have been forced to take the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Now the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was pulled because people were getting blood clots. That's why I didn't take it. I was lined up to take the vaccine. Now the Johnson vaccine was pulled because people were getting blood clots. That's why I didn't take it. I was lined up to take the vaccine. The UFC had allocated a giant chunk of vaccines. Oh, weren't you saying you almost got it? Yeah, I was ready.

I told them, let's do it. And they said, oh, it turns out you have to go to the clinic or to the hospital. I go, oh, I can't go to the hospital. This is the day of the fights. I thought I could just go get shot up here because they have doctors and they have like medical staff there. I thought they were going to have the vaccine on site because they said that they had allocated a bunch. And that's what Dana thought.

Dana thought they were going to have it there because I don't know where they did him and a bunch of the other employees. But we were ready to go. So I was like, I'll just get the shot and then go do the commentary. I'm like, the fucking symptoms aren't supposed to kick in for 12 hours, so I'll be sick tonight. I got this. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. I'm pretty sure I can power through it, right?

And then they said, can you come back on Monday? And I said, I can't. I have obligations. I go, but there's going to be an event here in two weeks. I said, so when two weeks comes along, I'll come in on Friday, and I'll come in early. I'll just knock it out there. During that time, they pulled it.

During that time, they pulled it for blood clots. Then two people I knew got strokes. But everybody's like, why aren't you vaccinated? Why aren't you vaccinated? I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hit the fucking brakes. And people, it's safe and effective. It's safe and effective. It's safe and effective.

It's safe and effective. I'm not saying it's not safe. And I'm not saying it's not effective. What I'm saying is it's not safe for everybody. It's safe for the vast majority of people. More than 99% of the people it's safe for. And it's effective for like a few months for those people that it's safe for. But this is not, it's not like, this is the only

time ever where you have only one thing that you have to do for a disease. When it's clear, there's other ways to do it. Like I did it a different way and it worked and people are so mad instead of going, hey, look at what Joe Rogan did. He didn't get vaccinated and he got better really quick. Huh? Maybe we should pay attention to what he did. Instead of that, it's like, why is Joe Rogan giving Aaron Rodgers advice? It's the only time ever where a guy could get a disease and he could call a friend who also had the disease and go, hey man, how'd you beat this? Oh, that's what I did. And then you go, oh, thanks.

And that's normal. And now they're like, what are you taking advice from him for? Because he fucking had it. He beat it. This is logical. I was going to do a mock little commercial selling Joe Rogan horse to warmer, but I just didn't take the time to do it. I was going to put a little label together and be like 100% approved by Joe Rogan horse

to warmer. It's just, again, it's a thing where when things get weird and the world gets crazy where there's no clear path, people get really, especially cowards, they get real subservient. They give in. They become easy to manipulate. And they also want to point fingers at everyone who's not following the exact same path that they're following. But meanwhile, they don't want to say a goddamn thing to all these fat people. They don't want to say a goddamn thing. Because you want to talk about the super spreaders? You want to talk about the people

that are catching it and getting it and giving it away easily? It's overweight people. And a lot of overweight people that get vaccinated want to put themselves on a moral high ground above fit people that are unvaccinated that's fucking nonsense it's nonsense it's nonsense drives me crazy it really does it drives me crazy yeah and what makes me feel bad is i was sitting here saying like well do you think that the kovat is so popular because everyone keeps talking about it and we can't stop well it's it's it's such a um it's so bizarre yeah that's what the thing that I find is just bizarre to see the sociology of the whole thing just the the sociology and the psychology of how it's impacting all these different people because to me it's like oh it's a thing like well You know don't you get sick for a while? I don't know. It's to me is I've just kind of like shrugged it off

You've been to war That's the difference your Navy SEALs been to war and you're also a black belt in jiu-jitsu So again, you're usually getting fucking strangled all the time. It's like COVID was a lot easier on me than Dean Lister. I can tell you that much, bro. Exactly. It's like dealing with real problems and real scary shit and real adversity makes other people's adversity seem pale in comparison.

Someone said something, and I've repeated it many times and I'll say it again, but it's a really good quote. The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Now, if that thing is you got a scratch on your car and you're fucking weeping in the street, or if that thing is you lost your legs in combat, whatever that is, is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

If you're that person who's lost their legs in combat, I guarantee your idea of a scratch on your car is very different than that person that is grown up in a rich family and everything's been cushioned and all those sharp edges have been nerfed for them and they've never had a real problem in their life that person doesn't have the capacity to handle adversity you're dealing with a lot of people in this country that already had anxiety issues how many fucking people are on anxiety medication and SSRIs and they've been told that the world is hard

and you need counseling and no one's telling you to suck it up ever. And then all of a sudden something comes along that might actually kill you. And then you're freaking out. And then you're paranoid and you're freaking out. Everywhere you go there's demons. And then they lock you in your house with just your iPhone with you, and you're just able to look at all the feed that's telling you that you're going to die more, and this person died, and that person died, and look what happened in Italy.

There's all these anxious people tweeting, all these people that already have anxiety issues. And then it's an invisible thing. You can't even see it coming. So you have to have your fucking mask on. Then you see people without a mask. You son of a bitch. Put your fucking mask on. Go see people that are masked you son of a bitch Put your fucking mask on go go do jiu-jitsu Yeah, like go swing a kettlebell go go out and shoot your bow

Yeah, like that stuff is yeah do some stuff is all that stuff is all so good for you So good. It's so good for you And you don't even have to look at that thing that that phone that's in your pocket. You don't have to read what other people say. Go swim. It's okay. Go do yoga. Go do something. Get moving. Don't look at that goddamn thing in your pocket.

It's not saying that the disease is not dangerous, but it is saying that, listen, there's a lot of steps that people should have been taking. A lot. One of them is losing weight. Another one is upping your goddamn dose of vitamin C. No one's telling you to do that. I'm telling you to do that, but some doctors are telling you to do that. There's a few nutritionists that are telling you to do that.

That's a big goddamn factor. At one point in time, it was 84% of the people in the ICU at one point in time that were insufficient in vitamin D and 4% that it's efficient levels. I got so lucky. So I got a supplement company, right? We started making something called Cold War, which was like immunity with vitamin C and we started making vitamin D. And we did this like, I don't know,

a few months before COVID. And we ordered a bunch of it and everything. And when COVID hit, it was like, oh, bingo, we freaking nailed it because you know we couldn't we just had to make as much as we could possibly make right and it was it was luck it was that's what i take like you know when i when i would travel i'd like okay here's what i want for when i travel vitamin c garlic and put it all in a pill called it cold war cool and then vitamin d that's like the other thing that i would take so i made that the two things that i use all

the time i made them and got so freaking lucky Yeah freaking ridiculous, I'm a lucky bastard yeah Quercetin zinc of course attend being an ion of four which helps ions get into your your bloodstream your cells easier Yeah, you know I heard you guys talking on with those guys the social media type guys What are their names that you just had on the podcast? Oh, yeah, yeah, just don't yeah look and and you know you were kind of getting Like what's the solution? What's the solution? Yeah, I kind of heard you guys talking about it the I it's kind of like cigarettes I was thinking well

I don't know if it is but maybe you can help me cigarettes at one point people smoke cigarettes because they made him feel good They smoked them and they were addictive and they didn't really understand that part and they caused cancer They didn't really understand that part and they just smoked them all the time and they got addicted to them right and then at some point The medical community and and people said oh, yeah, this is really bad for you And then it's like oh this actually causes cancer and then it's like hey you got to put a warning on these package So as I was listening to you guys talk I was thinking well a lot of people don't even understand What's happening when they're scrolling through their social media? They don't understand the chemical process that's going on in their brain, and I think as

Education because just like I said before people don't like to have things imposed on them when you find out that these bastards are sneaking Around getting inside your head and freaking making you think a certain way that's gonna piss people off and as people get pissed off They're gonna say wait a second. I'm not freaking buying into your shit I'm not gonna sit there and do and but you know scroll on this thing all day long So I think kind of like cigarettes I'm hoping this was what I came up with as I was listening guys talk kind of like cigarettes, I'm hoping, this was what I came up with as I was listening to you guys talk, kind of like cigarettes. As you started saying, hey, everybody, this is addictive and this causes cancer and it's really bad for you. As people start saying, hey, this phone that you got in your pocket, it's addictive.

It's really bad for you. It'll cause anxiety and depression, all these bad things. People start saying, oh, and by the way, they're sneaking this in and controlling you without you even knowing it. And that pisses people off. No one likes likes to get had no one likes to be a sucker Well when people start figuring out that they're a sucker every time they're scrolling through that thing I think it's gonna piss enough people off that they start to walk away and start to put more discipline on Not allowing this freaking thing in their pocket to control their brain. I hope maybe or they're gonna go Maybe to you to me. I'm fine. I can they're going to go, eh, maybe to you.

To me, I'm fine. I can scroll through my Instagram. It doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, there'll be some people. There's some people that still smoke, right? Yeah, still. They sell a lot of cigarettes. I mean, they fucked up. They could have avoided all those lawsuits by just saying, yeah, it's addictive.

Yeah, don't do it. And still sold it. So that's what the social media comes. Yeah, it's addictive, but it feels good, doesn't it? Feels good, doesn't it? Don't you like all those likes? Don't you like when people give you a thumbs up on your YouTube video? Yeah, locking.

Think of how crazy. You can't. This is a freaking dystopian movie, right? Lock people in their houses with their phone in an echo chamber of mayhem. And watch everything ramp up. All the anxiety ramp up. And it did.

It ramped up it really did when we when we wrap up we're gonna walk out of here and there could be total mayhem going on from the from the trial i don't think so not in austin no no i'm just not saying in austin i'm saying across the country i don't think it's gonna happen in kenosha i think at the end of the day the word got out that he shot two white people and they were like oh and then i think because a lot of people one guy raped a bunch of kids yeah one guy raped a bunch of kids and one guy uh the guy that was on the stand is the guy that had his uh record expunged six days before the trial which is dirty as fuck there's so much to this trial in the way the media framed it because they wanted a juicy

narrative that would help them sell clickbait but that juicy narrative is dangerous for our civilization it's dangerous for our culture it's dangerous for our community and those motherfuckers there's they're selling wolf tickets and they're doing it left and right that's what they're doing. It's dirty, man. It's a dirty business. Again, you already corrected me, but I was like, don't they have any conscience to be like, hey, this is really bad for America, but they're just cashing checks. That's the only way they can stay open.

They're corporations. That's the thing, and that's one of the beautiful things about independent journalists. Independent journalists only have their reputation. Guys like Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi, they only have their reputation, and their reputation is of an honest person who's reporting on the facts and shows disparities in the narrative that the mainstream news is putting out versus what the real facts are. And that's what these guys have done during this pandemic,

and they've done it to a lot of pushback. A lot of people have attacked them, a lot of people on Twitter, but Glenn Greenwald He gets in the trenches. He goes back and throws down fucking goes after people He's like gets it goes after it back and forth with people online But he's right because that's the beautiful thing about being correct and having principles Is that he can go over these narratives and then go, no, this is what fucking happened. And this is why everybody's being an asshole by trying to frame this in an inaccurate way. And it's fucking dangerous. How's he coming out on the, uh, on the Rittenhouse thing? Oh yeah. I mean, he's a hundred percent accurate about it. I mean, he's basically saying that the mainstream narrative has been that this guy is a white

supremacist And he's a vigilante and all these things that are absolutely incorrect Even that he traveled across state lines with the gun he didn't that he had the gun illegally not illegal He's allowed to have that gun in that state in It's and it's the type of gun that you're allowed to carry because it's rifle because it's a certain length You know it's like everything is what he did was not illegal like i had thought that him carrying it was illegal because it opened carry you couldn't open carry when you're 17 but that's a pistol can't open carry with a rifle you're allowed to

and it's probably because of hunting laws right right but the reality is because you know you're in wisconsin um but the reality is he's fucking in the clear he he's acquitted of all charges so your prediction is no riots limited riots i don't think it's gonna happen man i think and i think the people that do call for riots they're gonna get shut down i mean this is my my belief i think the people that are saying that this was unjust on Twitter, I think these are the fucking basement warriors. These are the people that are like social justice warriors that are just waving their flag of virtue,

hoping to appeal to the rainbow coalition out there in the world and get their social brownie points. I don't think they really feel like this was an actual Real egregious miscarriage of justice if they look at the facts and if they don't look at the facts then they're being You know, they're being negligent. Mm-hmm. You're gonna Spout out these opinions. I sure hope you're right. Because I saw freaking blue check marks. Going crazy? Going crazy. Again, I don't know.

The blue check marks, maybe. But I mean, how many of those other people that are chiming in are even real people? How many of those people are- But those blue check marks have people following them. And when they're sitting there saying, this is a murderer, we know we need to take to the streets.

It's a kid who defended his life. They were trying to kill him. They beat that kid with a skateboard. They fucked that dude up and There's something that someone pointed out in a video There was a security guard that get hit over the head with a skateboard recently like all those difference in a skateboard and a gun The security guard that got attacked by these kids with a skateboard He got his fucking head caved in like the edge of a skateboard. It's a weapon skateboard is heavy and the kids with a skateboard, he got his fucking head caved in. Like the edge of a skateboard. Oh yeah, it's a weapon.

Skateboard is heavy. And the edge of a skateboard, they beat the security guard on the side of the head and his fucking head is caved in. And he has brain damage. See if we can find that. We don't need to see that. It happens a lot.

Have you ever seen the skateboarder versus gangster? No. Yeah, some guy. Mike Vilelli, he's a badass. Is that There's, there's, have you ever seen the skateboarder versus gangster? No. Yeah. Some guy, some guy, he's a badass. Is that Mike Vilelli? Oh, that's Mike Vilelli that did that. So he's a skateboarder. He's a skater. And he also sang for black flag for a while. Um, yeah. Somebody pulled a gun on him. Some like gangster kid, gangster man pulled a gun and Mike Vilelli apparently freaking takes him on. Yeah. on yes from an old CKY video I think from like you know pre jackass oh get rid of this so I pushed him oh I've

seen this it's not someone pulled a gun out on him in this video says they call him a skater fact I should just start I've seen this he just starts winning this is not the video I'm talking about video. I'm talking about is a dude pulls a freaking gun on On a like random skater and he um yeah They win The kid the kid you could tell you knew some he knew some MMA You know which is just the new new thing you got to deal with but someone pulls a gun Just like that 2009 gang

banger with gun versus skater hold on i found a link in it nope never mind yeah there was this message board saying they had oh it is the it is the new reality everyone everyone trains a little bit well there's a lot of people that train like to get it if you don't know how to fight at all and you get in some sort of a random fist fight with a stranger. You're getting double-legged. What a roll of the dice. What a roll of the dice. But aren't you shocked when you see videos of people that have no experience at all thinking they can get in a fight and fight people?

Yeah, yeah. You ever seen that meme of like how I can win a fight? It's like a small percentage of people like I train all the time and that's of like how I can win a fight. It's like it's like a Small percentage of people like I train all the time and that's how I know I can win and the other big chunk is I just see red and go bro Mentality bro, which is freaking awesome A lot of dummies out there men. Yeah, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's really really Demoralizing when you first start to train. Oh my god

It's a real demoralizing thing on your soul. I was talking about it on my friends podcast last night I was on your mom's house that they have this live crazy podcast They do by the way do not watch it if you have a weak stomach do which is by the way do not watch it if you have a weak stomach because you know they do a live pay-per-view so it's all shit you could never show on the internet oh so it's like people with their legs snapped in half people eating shit oh it's it's like yeah shit porn i mean it was horrific it's horrific and by paying for it you're like you're you're paying 10 bucks and they stream it like they have a whole production crew They hired people that worked on Saturday Night Live. They do sketches and it's the craziest thing but

What was my point? You were how so saying you start she was asking me like was the worst you ever got your ass kicker only So I saw him when I was a white belt when I first started this purple belt who is was my size, and I had this idea in my head, well, some of my size is not going to fuck me up. This guy just raped me, just destroyed me, just did whatever he wanted to me, over and over and over again. Just kept arm-barring me and choking me and triangling me. And I remember leaving going, what? I was so, first of all, so exhausted. But by the end of the rolling session, he was just literally doing whatever he wanted and then also like so confused

Like my idea of how tough I was versus what would actually happen when I rolled was so off I couldn't imagine Yeah, I had this friend who's in the Marines. He was a force recon guy awesome guy this friend who was in the Marines, who was a four street gun guy, awesome guy, uh, freaking total stud, total stud. He grew up in like Texas. He was like a gang banger in Texas, total stud looked like a freaking superhero. And he started training with us. And like, after like a month, he was like, bro, I used to think I was bad-ass. I hate this shit. Now I think I'm a pussy. Just hated life. You know, just a jacked dude that realized that all that doesn't do a lot for you if you don't know what the hell you're doing. Not only that, it's like you also realize that the path to knowing what you're doing is so long.

I remember thinking that when I first started training and drilling. I remember thinking just, okay, just drilling how to pass someone's guard Get to mount and get an arm bar just going through the drill I could kind of understand the drill But then once you try to apply it to a real person you realize like oh my god the path to success It's so long. Yeah, it's so hard to do we do this we do this event and At my company we do we, we teach jujitsu. Like, after we do two days of leadership training, we do, like, an intro to jujitsu. And I usually have Dean come out.

And so then Dean will take people that train and do stuff with them. And I'll just teach, like, hey, this is the positions. This is an arm lock. And they all get to try it on each other, and it's all good. But when I get done, I say, okay okay because you can see everyone's all excited. I go okay if this was a language I I kind of almost taught you how one letter Like one letter from the language and you don't know a word. You don't know a sentence You definitely don't know a paragraph and here's the thing the learning what this is what you have to learn You have to learn this entire language and when you get done with this entire language

Which you'll never get done with this whole entire language when if you did you learn all of a sudden you'd open a door and there be a French word there and you go oh no It just never freaking stops. It never stops. You're always, and by the way, people are creating new words and making new shit up all the time, and it continually evolves, and it's a crazy pursuit to have in life, this weird thing where you freaking wrap around another dude and try and make them choke. It's the craziest thing to pursue, but God it's it's so freaking awesome

I mean I was watching some of the guys right now are so good. I was watching this clip and Who was it one of the rotolo brothers? You know those? Oh, yeah, those kids are amazing. I saw a clip and one which which one of the two They did something where I watched it like ten times bro. I watched this thing ten times. I've been doing the buggy choke that it was a random because like yesterday Random little thing I watched this thing probably 10 or 15 times myself. I've been doing jiu-jitsu for since 1992 I watched this thing like 10 times 15 times I I watched this thing like 10 times, 15 times.

I couldn't understand what was happening. I was confused. I need to see it. I need to slow it down. Like, I don't know what was happening. I've been doing jujitsu for a quarter century. And I saw Rotolo freaking do this weird thing. And I was like, what?

And I watched it over and over again. What just happened? I can't even understand what just happened, bro. And I do this shit all the time. Those kids, I think they're only like 19. Yeah, they are. They're either 18 or 19. I remember when they were little kids.

They were in San Diego. Actually, they were up in LA, San Diego, but they were training all the time, little kids. And there's no better gift from God for jiu-jitsu than when you have a twin brother that's going to roll with you. You just get after it with each other. That's the freaking craziest thing. And they're both assassins. Oh, they're killers. I've seen them compete here. a twin brother that's gonna roll with you. You just get after it with each other. That's the freaking craziest And they're both assassins.

Oh, they're killers. They're killers. I've seen them compete here. Yeah, that's right. Who's number one? They do that in Austin once a month. So it's fucking incredible.

I've had the chance to see so many guys compete here. Yeah. It's just amazing. You go to these live events here and you get Gordon Ryan's competing and Craig Jones

and Cream of the Crop. It's just so savage. Oh oh here's so here they're competing in this is a D scenario yeah so they do a lot of no gi and gi yeah super fucking kids yeah this is when their kids that's an orange belt right there yeah amazing look at that spiral armbar yeah they were homeschooled they were homeschooled they were just surfing and doing jiu-jitsu. That was their last That's amazing. They're so fast and the pace they put on guys. Yeah, that's what's incredible Like they have amazing endurance and this they have this like super fast paced game Yeah And so they put that pace on people and you just see people wilt under the pressure and they eventually you know

I was I was listening to I think it was Lex Friedman was interviewing Kasparov right and he was asking Kasparov if he could beat Magnus Carlson so Magnus Carlson is like the young freaking just total maniac and he was asking Kasparov if he could beat and it was a Lex didn't directly say could you beat him but he was trying to ask that question Yeah in Lex's weird like way of asking questions So he's like trying to ask him and and Kasparov understood what he was asking him and he said He basically didn't say no I couldn't beat him, but he kind of said it but what he said was number one

I'm older than him which I thought well wait a second isn't that a huge advantage in chess? And it's actually wrong. And as we see case in point, his name is Joe Biden. As you're getting older, your mentality, your mental capacity, your cognitive capacity is going down. So even Kasparov, who's like maybe 55 or something like this, he knows that at 55, he's not as sharp as he was when he was 30. Is he? That's all how old he is? I don't know. I don't know how old he is, but he's in that range. Maybe 60 maybe he said, maybe I'm wrong

I don't know. I'm sure I'm jacked up. But so so one reason was he said I'm not as 58 okay, I was in the ballpark But because he's 58 he said yep. He he's younger than me me Magnus Carlson is younger me so that's one reason he could beat me he said the other reason is because Magnus got all those moves All those moves he got to see all those moves He didn't have to start building from scratch because you know in chess They have a book that shows every single move that everybody made that Kasparis may have all these things

They have all those moves built up And so you just get to know those things. You get to come out of the gate and you can learn those moves very quickly. And it just puts you, your starting point is so much higher. So jujitsu now is the same thing. These kids have a starting point that is way beyond what somebody had 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, for sure. For sure. The starting point that they're at.

I was talking to Dean maybe maybe like six months ago and cuz Dean Dean is Dean everybody knows Dean for his leg locks and his foot locks and everything and he certainly is Ahead of his time and he's awesome everywhere else too, but even as much as people know Dean's leg locks I But even as much as people know Dean's leg locks I Know and I've known for a long time that he's even better than it seems because I trained with him all the time So I know that the specific moves of exactly what he's doing and he explains him to me and I

Understand the depth of his knowledge and it's deeper than anyone than most people would assume most people like oh, yeah He started foot locking and he started heel hooking. No, he can break stuff down at an at an intricate level. That's incredible And I asked him like maybe six months ago I said hey have you seen anything yet? Or are you starting to see things that you didn't know? And he said, yeah, he goes, about a year ago. So it's maybe been a year and a half now that he started to see developments

where he was like, that's a good move and I didn't think of it. But he had that much like freaking crazy, crazy knowledge in his head. And he taught it at our academy, of course, but it wasn't so widespread There was no like hey, here's the DVDs like what Donaher did with this, you know, they're getting here It is here's how it works and it was crazy for for me like um, who was it that fought? Crazy leglocker from the UFC that got kicked out,

little short, stumpy guy. Paul Harris. Yeah, so Paul Harris fought the dude that had the eye damage and the dude went for, Paul Harris went for heel hook, heel hook, knee lock, heel hook. The eye damage? Yeah, he ended up retiring from eye damage. Freaking total stud.

Alan Belcher? Alan Belcher. Remember when they fought? Well, Dean went down and worked with Alan Belcher Alan Belcher remember when they fought well Dean went down and worked with Alan Belcher for like yes like a month yes and when I watched that fight I could see every single thing that Alan Belcher did he I was like get that oh that oh yeah I was just like that's it that's old and I knew and it was so amazing to see that first of all Alan Belcher such a stud to be able to

Be humble enough to say hey Dean Lister get your ass down here and show me what's up And then drill it and concentrate he wasn't even afraid he was like oh you want to go for my feet go for it Yeah, he entered into the awesome and then dominated him and smashed him yeah Yeah, that was huge and legit, but man Dean's had that knowledge for all this time But my point in saying all this is now These younger people that are coming up. They're starting at the Magnus Carlsen level. They already have Kasparov shit dialed They know all that shit. It's the same thing with Eddie right Eddie Bravo created this stuff Mm-hmm, and now people get to stick it to learn that day seven yeah day seven

They get to learn a move that Eddie had to figure out for two years And then try a thousand different ways to figure out all these little details so these kids now It's insane how good guys are getting I'm hoping thinking that there's gonna be a sort of Resurgence of crazy jiu-jitsu come and come into the fight game You know coming into the UFC where people are bringing that next level of grappling in there. Well, some guys are. There are guys that are elite level.

What we're really going to see is going to be interesting is when someone like Gordon Ryan enters into MMA. That's what I mean. That's exactly what I mean. Everyone's fucked. That guy gets a hold of you? Well, I hope his wrestling takedowns are awesome. Yeah.

I hope he can fight. I hope he has stand-up. Oh, yeah. He needs those things for sure. I hope he has stand-up because there's been plenty of people that were awesome grapplers that couldn't get a damn takedown. Well, Gary Tonin. He's a savage. And he's showing that he does have all those things.

And he's been undefeated as an mixed martial arts fighter in one It's kind of interesting because he's fighting over there in Singapore and in one championship He's doing really well, but most people in America don't have any idea. They have no idea what he's doing He's literally one of the best grapplers on the planet Earth. Yeah, and he's knocking people out now too. So beautiful Here's it's crazy. You know what I what I found out? What? He's got one coach, John Donner. He's teaching him striking and he's teaching him grappling. That guy is, he is a legit weirdo. Like he's so fucking smart.

He's one of the smartest people I know and he teaches people how to kill people. It's the weirdest thing. Like when you talk to him and you realize this guy was a Columbia professor. He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia, and he just decided to just wear a rash guard everywhere It's such a What a dream yeah, what a dream and it's also you look we we we all know people that have got the jujitsu bug I'm one of them. You're one of them people get the bug But for him to get the bug and then just be like okay

Cool, this is my life and slept on the mat literally was there every fucking day day in day out Do you think so he he can't roll hard anymore right now his injuries? Yeah, do you think that? Makes it makes him more crazy because now he's just like how much more can I do? I think you know maybe you ever been injured and you could like go to the gym and you're watching everyone training You're just foaming. Yeah, wait, you can't wait Imagine if you were in a situation where you couldn't train anymore But you had devoted so much time to jujitsu and now you the only way to express your jujitsu Was to learn it and teach it technically that's what now he's here. I know

was to learn it and teach it technically. And now he's here. I know. Isn't that amazing? I don't want to move to, the first time I was like, maybe I will move down there was when he moved here and Gordon Ryan was like,

damn it, dude. Well, luckily for me, I got that Dean Lisch breaking my legs and breaking my limbs. Most certainly helps. I mean, having great jujitsu is almost like a prerequisite

if you're going to move to a place. You have to be able to train. A hundred percent. Imagine if you had to live in the middle of fucking nowhere with no train. You'd have to grab people and go, hey, man, you want to learn jiu-jitsu? If it wasn't for jiu-jitsu, I would be in the middle of the mountain somewhere by myself on an elevated position with bunkered interlocking fields of fire. If it wasn't for jiu-jitsu, that's where I'd be. interlocking fields of fire if it wasn't for jiu-jitsu that's where I'd be the only thing that keep I guess the ocean too, but

Even the ocean I'd be like cool when it's when there's good waves off I'll go surf, but if it wasn't for jiu-jitsu I would be by myself somewhere with just my family and and that's it but jiu-jitsu keeps you keeps you with other people Yeah, yeah, it keeps you social Yeah, barely when you run for president. I hope I never have to run for president. Oh, I like the word have to. I like that expression because that means you're thinking about you might have to. Things would have to be so bad. But they would have to be.

They would have to be really, really bad. But you would go. But you would do it if they had gotten that bad. No, but I'm talking about chaos and mayhem in the streets. That's what I'm talking about. And it might not even be president. It might just be benevolent dictator, which I think would be a little bit more my style.

I hope it doesn't come to that. I got to wrap this up. I got to get out of here. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Always great to see you. Bye, everybody. Thank you.