The Joe Rogan Experience - #1746 - Blaire White

Episode Date: December 10, 2021

Blaire White is a YouTuber and political commentator.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. So this dude right here is Travis Walton and he is one of the most famous UFO abduction, I don't know if you want to say victim, guys with a story. Right. And he gave me a bobblehead. That's awesome. You ever see that movie?

What was the movie called? Fire in the Sky. Fire in the Sky. Yes. Yeah, that's about him. Oh, it's about him. Yes. In the 1970s, he was a logger in Arizona, and they saw this light in the sky.

It came down. They went to see what it was. It was his craft. And he was a young, according to him, just kind of a knucklehead. And he got a little close to it. That's the movie. And he got close to it. And when he got close to it, supposedly, according to him, some burst of energy came from the thing and knocked him back, knocked him unconscious.

All his friends took off. They panicked, including one guy who hated him him one guy who actually got into a fist fight with him that day so it's not like these are his friends that he like had this coordinated story with they took off they were freaking out and then they came to their senses like we gotta go back we can't leave him there

they went back he was gone and he was gone for five days I believe it was five days I've always been fascinated with UFO shit, but I feel like so many people lie, and it makes it so hard. Like, I literally lied about it when I was a kid. I remember being in the car,

and I was probably eight or nine, and I was like, I should just tell people I saw a UFO. So I said to my mom, I saw a UFO as we're driving, and then that was my story for years, until I was like 13. Yeah, it gets you extra attention.

That's the problem with fantastical tales, whether it's ghosts or psychics or any of that stuff. I was going to say psychics. Same with psychics. It makes you special. It makes you a guru. I have a buddy of mine who fucking full-on believes in psychics. He's like, bro, the psychic knew all about my grandmother. And I go, don't you know about your grandmother? I go, you know about your grandmother, right?

I go, so what the fuck? Tell this person to tell you some shit you don't know. Right. So that's my mom. So my mom, as long as I've been alive, has been super into mediums, psychics, had them around. And like I've always just felt like that shit was bullshit because they would tell her things that I just knew weren't true. So like when my dad died, she sought out this medium who claimed to connect with him. And the medium wrote her a letter

that was things from my dad that he was saying to her from beyond right and like kind of stuff that's the thing it was nothing he would have ever said it was like i don't remember it was just some fluffy bullshit my dad was not a fluffy person and it was like this bitch is lying to you but it's disrespectful it's crazy maybe he got fluffy once he died i mean released from all the spiritual you know boundaries the things that are tying him down, all the human body problems. Maybe. I guess he became a sissy after he died or something. A sissy.

And then I became a sissy after he died. Do you think that one of these things, this is Travis Walton's aliens. Do you think that this, this is the thing, the problem that I have with these little aliens is that they make sense. It's like, this is, this is what we're going to look like one day. You actually see humanity slowly morphing into this. Everyone's becoming a little more feminized. Everyone's becoming a little smaller. Yeah. And I think our heads are getting bigger. They definitely are from the time when we were lower primates. And I think that if they can figure out a way to replace breeding right like part of the problem that people have is the instinct to breed and like we have the same the same biological impulses that animals that can't talk have right the the idea is to protect your young to make sure

that you can pass on your genes to defend your territory against intruders. That's the same instincts that chimps have. But yet we have nuclear weapons and cell phones. Yeah. When you look at, you know, little aliens like that, it's like you have this almost like inner feeling like, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I think it does. And then you see ancient like archaeological drawings and art and it's like, why have they just kind of always been around?

I don't know. Yeah. But that image has always been around. Yeah. I believe in them more than I believe in psychics. I'll say that. I don't necessarily not believe in psychics, but I don't believe the ones that are getting paid that have like a neon sign outside their house. Oh, yeah, for sure.

And but that's what's like even more unbelievable is that people would believe it. Well, the crazy thing is imagine if that was the best psychic. There was actually just a person that had a house. And they didn't care if you believe them or not believe them. But you go in there. That would be like a Stephen King movie, right? You go in there and they really do know some things. They touch your hand and they really can see your past and see your future and see where you're going.

Yeah. I don't know. I've always avoided that shit because I actually talked to a psychic on my YouTube channel and she told me I was going to get pregnant. So it's not going to happen. LOL. Right. I was like, this bitch.

Get the fuck out of my house. It's a house call too. But who knows? Maybe in like fucking 20 years it might be a thing. No, no, no. Even if it's a thing, I'm not opting for it because that baby's coming out fucked up. That baby's coming out. You say that now, but with CRISPR?

And I think that there's going to come a time where, like, if someone is trans, that you are going to be able to opt for a procedure that will switch you. Chromosomes switch you to a double X or switch you to an XY, whatever you want. I think you're going to be able to completely manipulate bodies. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's definitely the trajectory we're on. Yeah. I just don't want to be maybe the first thousand people to do it. No, you don't want to be the first million.

Because that baby's coming out with no arm or is trans themselves, which is also a fucking nightmare. Or a psychotic. Yeah, exactly. Imagine the baby comes out with no emotions at all. Or just starts killing you from the inside. Like a shark. Do you know that sharks will eat their siblings inside the womb? I don't know if it's true.

I never even found out if it's true. Well, I've heard it. So if it's not true, people just say it. Yeah, but I mean, what I meant was there's like an x-ray of sharks in the womb. And they're all like, ah, mouth open. Like a bunch of them swimming around together. I'm like, I wonder if that's real or that's horseshit. I don't know. Jamie will find out. I don't know. Whenever I have questions, I don't of them swimming around together. I'm like, I wonder if that's real or that's horseshit. I never looked it up.

I don't know. Jamie will find out. I don't know. Whenever I have questions, I don't even bother Googling them. I just wait until I come to work. Exactly. And then I ask Jamie. Exactly.

Seems accurate. Does it really? Yeah. Is there an image of it that's real? Oh, well. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, you got to get it on tape. That's a different thing.

There was an X-ray image of like, looked like a womb filled with a bunch of sharks floating around in there really yeah i think that x-ray image was not real well do sharks here's the question do sharks lay eggs like a regular fish yes or do they give birth to fish eggs i'm pretty sure they lay eggs so then it's not possible that they eat each other in the womb because they wouldn't be in the womb i'm sorry so yeah that's why i thought that so this says uh they eat hatched embryos will begin to eat surrounding eggs in some cases like sam tiger sharks oh that makes sense but see i find that so much more interesting than the conversation about aliens is like life underwater and how much we haven't discovered how much life just exists here like i'm a lot more fascinated with this planet than i am like

the universe in some senses i'm a lot more fascinated with the universe yeah but I'm pretty fascinated with this planet too it's like did you see that I put something on my Instagram a couple weeks ago this thing called a telescope fish that literally can swallow something bigger than itself is this crazy little demon fish that lives like 5,000 meters below the surface of the water. It's like this crazy deep water fish that has eyeballs that look like binoculars. And this motherfucker swallows. Imagine a person smaller than you swallows you. Exactly.

Just walks up to you and just goes, and opens his fucking crazy mouth and sucks your whole body into it. See if you can find that. That's nuts. Look at this thing. Well, I got a video of the shark eating its sibling in the womb. Oh, well, give me that. Oh, that's a good show. I'm trying to figure out what's happening.

I can't tell what's happening in the video. Oh, that can't be real. Right. Well, I mean. That's in the womb? How's that in the womb? That's what it says, but I don't know that's what it is. God damn it, YouTube.

I thought those were the greys. It looks like the greys. Yeah, that looks like aliens. Yeah. Yeah but I don't know that's what it is. God damn it, YouTube. I thought those were the greys. It looks like the greys. Yeah, that looks like aliens. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that's real. Right. All right, I'm going to look up telescope shark. No, it's a telescope fish.

It's on my Instagram, but there's just a couple of pictures of it. But if you just Google telescope fish, I think it's a fairly recent discovery. Because that's one of the things they say. It's like they've only discovered like 10% of the ocean. Yeah, very small amount. Look at that fucker. Oh, that's the shit of nightmares. Look at the fact that that's real.

Wait, it's kind of cute though. Look at that. It looks cute. Cute until it swallows you. Right. Oh my God. Look at the mouth on that motherfucker. So what happens to its body when it just kind of expands?

Yeah, it expands. Well, this one on the left is an art picture. Yeah. But that's not. This is from Smithsonian. So that's a real photo yeah that's a real photo and that one in the middle is a real photo that you had highlighted earlier that's fake i think that's fake i don't think that looks cgi almost yeah but i think that one up in top is real it's kind of cute in the middle kind of looks like me in the morning a little bit look at that I mean that looks like he's got binoculars That looks like a Guardians of the Galaxy like alien 100%

That doesn't look real Those things live on the bottom of the ocean That's why it's always so interesting thinking about Like underwater life because These are the aliens that already exist You look at a jellyfish it's like that's a fucking alien Yeah octopus is a fucking alien You ever see when they change colors?

They're nuts. They're not like anything else on this planet. The cephalophods? They're like something from a science fiction movie. They can literally stop on a reef and become the reef. Right. And then snatch sharks away. They eat sharks. You ever see that?

No, I've never seen an octopus eat a fucking shark. Yeah, they were trying to find out. That's crazy. There was an aquarium, and I forget where the aquarium was, but they were missing sharks. Like, what the fuck's going on? We're missing sharks. And so they thought, like, someone was breaking into the aquarium and stealing sharks. So they set up these cameras, and they found this octopus who's just, like, laying in wait,

and then sharks would swim by, and they're like, bitch! See, I didn't know they were even capable of that. That's crazy. They're crazier than that. The female octopuses regularly eat the males. So the female octopuses are matriarchal. They're bigger than the males. And one of the things that they do is occasionally they eat males,

but not always. So they observe this one octopus pair. The male and the female, they mated 12 times. And then when the male went in for the 13th time, the female was like, that's enough. Wow. And killed him and ate him. And then stuffed him into like a reef and like ate him over the course of like several days. Feminism.

But it's a hard world out there. I mean, when you're living in the ocean, there's no indoors. See, that's the shark getting jacked by the octopus. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's just wrapping around. Google it from the – sorry, rewind it. Does it show the –

It was sort of just swimming by it. Yeah, but it shows him snatch it. So the thing's swimming by. Shark thinks he's the king of the sea. And the octopus is like literally looks like a part of the reef until he swims by and watch this bitch oh shit yeah have you seen the um nature is metal instagram account yes dude half the time i'll just be scrolling having a good day yeah and it's like you're not supposed to attribute emotion to it because it's

emotionless but at the same time i'm like oh, oh, my God, my day is fucked. I just saw like a gazelle getting ravaged by whatever. A crocodile. Yeah, exactly. That's the craziest shit is when they know that some of them are going to get killed by crocodiles and they all have to make it across the river. And you see the crocodile's heads just poking up and moving towards them. And they're just running and hoping that they get out of there. Oh, look at this one.

That's a jaguar with a crocodile in his mouth it's pretty yeah it's a tough world out there yeah i'm seeing more wildlife and nature shit than ever living here it's like everywhere you go there's roadkill i was driving the other day we're in austin i was driving the other day and um there was just these two beautiful elk in the middle of the highway definitely not elk. Okay, whatever they were. Deer. Deer. They were deer. But they were just dead.

You could tell they were freshly hit. I literally was like, oh, my God. Well, this is the rut. We're in the middle of the rut. The rut is probably actually not the middle. This is the end. It's probably over. Right around Thanksgiving is the rut.

And what the rut is is when they breed once a year. It's one time a year they get some action, and then in the spring the babies are born. So right is is when they breed once a year. It's one time a year they get some action and then in the spring the babies are born. So right now is when they get after it and so they get really stupid. See it looked like a male and a female.

One was significantly larger and I was like this happy couple just died. Did they both have antlers or no? One. One did, yeah. So it's probably that.

That the male probably chased her out into the street because he's trying to get some. She's like leave me alone bitch. And she's just trying to get away and she gets hit by into the street because he's trying to get some. She's like, leave me alone, bitch. And she's just trying to get away, and she gets hit by a truck. And then he's like, boom, and he gets hit too.

Yeah. But what's scary is you can die hitting one of these things. You know what I mean? You definitely can. It can go straight through your windshield. So ever since driving past it, I'm very aware because I'm already a bad driver. My buddy lives in Oregon,

and a man behind a man who hit a deer died. So the guy in front hit a deer. The deer went flying through the air. The car behind it, the deer went through that windshield and killed the guy. Fuck. Yeah, fuck. That's a really shitty way to die. Because it was in the air.

Yeah, yeah. So he's going 65 miles an hour, and this fucking 150-pound mass of meat and bones and antlers just hits him in the face Shattered his brain This wild fish is real by the way. Oh, it's real sarcastic fringe head weird name What's sarcastic? I had to make sure I won't kill you a psych Look at that mouth fuck. That's game. Whoa, look at that mouth. Fuck. Wow.

That's cool. That's what it looks like without the mouth open. Yeah, the ocean is filled with, it's monster soup. It's filled with fucking wild creatures. Yeah.

But the thing that fascinates me about space is there's an infinite amount of planets out there that have an infinite amount of species. That's like, it's not just

what we have in our ocean, which is pretty fucking crazy and interesting but an infinite number of those things out there and an infinite number of creatures that are terrestrial as well as underwater where would you say it's probably the nearest like some people say europa i've also heard the upper hemisphere of venus is the closest to earth-like conditions which i don't know how that is. Is that real? Yeah, I've heard that. What's the closest to Earth-like conditions? Like the temperature.

Really? Yeah. They think Venus at one point in time wasn't that hot. Because the surface is extremely hot. Like they've sent down rovers. They got melted within seconds. I think at one point in time it wasn't, though. I think all of it has changed over time.

Like Mars at one point in time used to be hospitable like to life they think that people think we came here from mars there's a lot of people that think there's the dogon tribe in africa that their whole lore is about that we came from uh from mars and they just found or there's like pictures people are speculating there's like a cube object structure that they found on mars no that's on the moon oh the moon okay that's uh china is actually investigating that right now they have a rover yeah they're beating us at everything you're gonna learn mandarin or you're just gonna give in what are you gonna do i'm gonna give it i'm gonna resist as long as i fucking can i thought it was really interesting recently finding out what china's doing with the algorithms with tiktok

so you have like you look at kids in america and their algorithm on tiktok they're scrolling and it's like someone with green hair telling them they're like a dummy boy and like learning about all the flags. And then you go to China and it's like science experiments and like shit that makes you a better person. Yeah. Well, not only that, they won't allow children to be online using apps after like 10 PM. Yeah. there's a lockout. Yeah, it's like from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. there's a lockout. And then what they're exposing their kids to is all like kids doing incredible things, science projects, great sports accomplishments.

They're showing positive role models. Which that part I'm like, why not? Yeah, why not? The lockout, I don't know but they're very strong they like they have this national pride of china that's directed by the ccp yes that has its benefits and it's it's negative the negative is that they're controlling what's acceptable and not acceptable and then any dissenters get locked up and killed. That's not good, right? Right, but then you think about I don't know I'm just looking at what's happening to like Gen Z and kids in this country and so much of the shit

They're being indoctrinated with and you look at them and it's like well, they're not gonna have that problem Maybe it's some other problems, but at least don't have that problem What do you think is causing all of the the issues that people in Gen Z or whatever? You would say are having that maybe generations before them didn't have to deal with? What do you think is the cause of it? Well, I think one of the main differences between how I grew up and I'm only 28. It's not like I was in school that long ago. But it seems as if there's a lot of just based on what you see online, like activists that become teachers and they go into these classroom settings with the intention

of teaching kids about LGBT shit, about critical race theory um it seems as if people specifically have gone into it to indoctrinate people whereas like i remember all my teachers it's like they avoided being political at all costs because they knew it would upset parents and i think that's kind of the way to go not entirely but i think that's healthier yeah it's weird when people don't have their own shit together, but they want to teach kids. Yeah. I'm not against people talking about anything in school. Same.

But I think that the problem is when they're indoctrinating children into an idea and they're saying that this is right and this is the way to do it. There's really clear right or wrong. Hey, don't steal. Don't rob, don't kill people, don't rape, don't start arson. There's a lot of real clear yes and no's. But then when it gets to certain issues, it's like some people have different religious beliefs. Some people have different social beliefs. different religious beliefs. Some people have different social beliefs. It's good to talk about them, but you should be able to have someone from both sides discuss it. I've talked about this

before, but when I was a kid, when I was in high school, there was a guy named Barney Frank, who was a congressman in Massachusetts. Back then, he was in the closet, but since then, he's come out. He was the left-wing wing representative and there was a guy from this group that was called the moral majority the moral majority at the time was like they were like a right wing they were kind of goofy they they were right wing but they were sloppy like the the the ideology wasn't well formulated and the people that bought it they were like sort of like q anon people without the conspiracy theory. They're good. They're goofy I mean, yeah, so this guy and Barney Frank debated in an auditorium in our high school when I was like 14 15 years old and it was really interesting because we

Got to see one guy who had this like very staunch right-wing perspective and then Barney Frank who is much more articulate and much more at least seemingly intelligent, picked his ideas apart and had a much better presentation. And we got to walk out of there and talk about it and have our own opinions about things. That doesn't exist anymore. Doesn't exist anymore.

Now kids are getting, instead of getting educated as to the pros and cons of different perspectives a lot of kids you know obviously depending upon the school they're getting indoctrinated into these ideas and it depends what city it depends are you in a blue city in a blue state red city a red state red and a blue you know what i mean but also like i guess it's just the fact that there's not both sides shown to a lot of the shit. Like for me, I don't think there's any reason why preschoolers need to learn about LGBT and be shown all this flag. That's like you see pictures of teachers in classrooms with like every possible variation of like LGBT flag, non-binary flag, all the shit with like five year olds.

And it's like to them, it just looks like really cool, colorful shit that kids are naturally going to be attracted to. like really cool colorful shit that kids are naturally going to be attracted to and i did so it's not a shock to me that you have like little kids now identifying as lgbt when you can make the argument that like that's just society progressing so naturally more people will identify but like five-year-olds and the same massive leap it's been used to be like 0.01 percent now it's like but it was 0.01 percent how many of them just hit it well that's for trans though i don't know but it's not just for trans i mean for whether it's gay lesbian trans anything like how many people hid their sexuality or their sexual preference or or what their identity was a lot for sure um but because the interesting thing is

in the past it was always kind of like a social net negative to come out it's like your life only got harder you weren't praised in the way we are now it's like society only knows how to do like extremes of anything it's like used to be total shame and getting jumped and beat up because you're the faggot which was my life as a kid and now it's like five-year-olds being told like they're like an inspiration and a hero because they're non-binary and they're going to go on hormones when by the time they're 11 it's like just chill when did you feel if you can remember when do you feel like something was off that you were supposed to be a girl like five at five yeah i remember being in preschool like my earliest memories in life

were feeling like the only way i can describe was like a very intense misalignment between the way i was perceived and the way i had my self-concept um so i would say five uh but obviously i didn't have the words to articulate it at five was that when you first started going did you go to preschool so was that when you were around other kids is that when you started feeling it yeah um first of all i mean preschool is kind of like the earliest time people even have memories but also like that's when you start being socially separated by gender it's like you know i have a very vivid memory of like the boys cubby area where you put your backpack in your school work and the girls and it was like the girls was pink the boys was blue and that's superficial but you start to see the division really early and I just had this inherent sense that I would never be able to

fit into like a maleness ever I don't know why and the feelings only got more intense as I got older then I hit puberty and it was like oh shit something's really off like holy fuck like um and then eventually at 18 I started making the steps so there was never a moment where you were confused as to whether or not this is the right thing to do there was it was always confused as to why am I a boy um there was definitely confusion and trepidation about like is that the right thing for me to transition that's like a huge decision right I think it's taken like way too lightly now um and things have changed really quickly with how that decision is treated in society uh but i guess i just had it was just a progression of like understanding it more and more understanding like why am i uncomfortable

with being called him by people when i'm literally a him like why is that something that would make me feel uncomfortable why is that something that would cause me stress or anxiety? And it just got worse and worse and worse. And I considered living with it. I thought, maybe I'll just live with it. But it got to a little bit of a breaking point where I was like, God damn it. Do you remember the first person you reached out to about those? I think my mom. But I've always been the kind of person that like once I decide something, I just decide it and I just go. So it was almost like a very non-casual call. I was like, hey mom, so I think I'm going to transition and see you at Christmas. So this

was a phone call when you were not at home? You weren't living at home anymore? Yeah, I had moved very briefly to Michigan for a boyfriend. It was a horrible relationship, but it was almost casual. I think people weren't necessarily shocked because I was always naturally very feminine. My voice never dropped. I was called a faggot when I was four. Everyone saw it. Four? Yeah, everyone saw it before me. I didn't know what a faggot was. Everyone did. I didn't know what

a faggot was, but I knew I was one. So a little four-year-old called you that? Oh yeah, all the kids. Jesus. i grew up in a very um like small sheltered town which has its perks in a place called corning california very northern california the most red part of california people don't realize that california is san francisco yes la san diego and kentucky yeah it's literally no one even pays attention to the very top half and you go up there and you're like oh people live different here it's not yeah it's not even the top half if you drive from la to san francisco it's kentucky yeah yeah and it's a whole lot of

nothing and fucking farmland with like fuck joe biden signs everywhere it's wild yeah that's what's what's crazy about like as a lifelong californian until recently it's like it's always just been this thing where like la pushes the narrative of california and san francisco pushes the narrative of california but yeah it's really far from the truth so i grew up in a in a in a small town where i was like the town weirdo which was totally fine i think it prepared me for the life i have now a little bit. But so everyone saw it before me, basically. No one was shocked. And did you grow up with your was the nuclear family attacked? Was your father living with you? Yeah, I had a mom and a dad and a half brother. And how did the dad feel about

everything? He died before I came out. So I don't really know. Yeah, I died of cancer when I was 19 and I started transition officially at 20, 28 now. my mom has been supportive i don't really talk to my brother not because of that but because he's a severe drug addict and out of jail i was the only person in my nuclear family immediate family that wasn't addicted to some sort of substance so but that's the case with like small kind of towns like that it's like what do you do it's just meth it's like i didn't there was no bowling alley no walmart wasn't even a walmart in my town people just did meth it's what you did i've never done math but meth is like so industrious they get everywhere 100 jobs don't get everywhere but meth gets everywhere it's how people finds the people

yes and it's how people get through life in those towns yeah oxy meth something anything yeah it's how people get through life in those towns. Yeah. Oxy, meth, something, anything. Yeah. It's hard when you see people that come from these very rural towns where there's not much going on and they don't have any hope. Yes. You know that people live a different life in other places, but you don't know how you could get to those places. And what do you do? Save up money? Try to get a job when you move there like it just just take a chance and yeah it takes a lot of

courage that's the the main thing when I I think everyone kind of checks up on like people from their past from their high school family members whatever so I'll go on Facebook and look and like the the main thing I see in a lot of people from my hometown not to bash them because it's whatever it's like a lot of hopelessness and a lot of never really left the town. My mom, she visited me here in Austin the other day, a couple weeks ago. And she was like, this is only the third state I've ever been to. I'm like, you've only been to California, Oregon, because it's next to California, a literal four-hour drive from where I grew up in Texas? That's just crazy to me.

That's wild. And she's like in her 50s. It's like how do you. But I see the way it shapes like their worldview too. Yeah. You know what I mean. Because they haven't seen the world. That's a lot of people.

That's most people. It's a giant chunk of people. A lot of people they get out of high school. They do whatever they do. Whether they go to school or whether they go and get a job. And they kind of stay around where they are. And, you know, and then they have this sort of very narrow view of the world because of that. Yeah. And they don't necessarily understand your experience.

So I moved to L.A. a few years ago and I was there for five years. And like when all the riots happened in 2020, I remember calling my family and just saying like, hey, I'm sure you're seeing the news. I'm sure you're slightly concerned for my safety. The city is on fire, but I'm actually going up to the mountains. I'll be there for the foreseeable future. And then I'll come back when things calm down.

They're like, oh, but you're not racist. So you'll be fine, right? I was like, you think these people are just walking around, just attacking racists? Like, no. Like- How do you feel about affirmative action? They're holding a no. How do you feel about affirmative action? They're holding a brick.

How do you feel about affirmative action? It's like, okay, so what you don't understand is I'm by no means this group of people's favorite person being Antifa, Black Lives Matter. I've literally had Antifa show up to my speaking events before. Why have they showed up at your speaking events? They say I'm transphobic. What? You didn't know that?

W-U-T. That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. Isn't that fucking stupid? That's like me being anti-male. That's so stupid. Right,

and you'll get called transphobic for having me on. Well, I'll get called transphobic for everything. Yeah, well, exactly.

Me too. That's what's so fucking stupid about it. I got first called transphobic because of the Fallon Fox thing. Because that fighter that was beating the shit out of biological women without telling them that she was a man for 30 plus years. Cracked one of their skulls within like 30 seconds. Yeah, I was bragging about it.

And I was like, that's fucking crazy. And people were like, you're out of line. You're a bigot. I'm like, what are you saying? And granted, I used very inappropriate language and very colorful language to describe this because i was furious as you should be but i wouldn't be and here's there's another recent case that people brought before me like this is outrageous this bullshit of a guy who i think he was a ranger or a seal like super fucking jacked like ripped dude who transitioned and became a woman and fought

this woman i don't have a problem with that zero problem with that because it was her decision just like i don't have a problem with people riding bulls i don't have a problem people free diving with sharks do whatever the fuck you want to do but the fallon fox things she did opponents didn't know right exactly the first two fighters didn't know that she was a biological male for 30 years. It's fucked up. And she said that it was a medical decision. It was a medical issue and it wasn't any of their business. I don't think your sex is a medical issue. It's just kind of a state of being that, and it might be important to certain situations. Like if I go to a doctor's office, I always find that it's very important for me to tell them that I'm male to female transsexual because there's going to be certain things that they need to maybe screen me for for my health or look out for that are specifically to biological males.

And those are things that, yeah, I can change a lot of that, but not all of it. But at least that is like patient physician relationship. No one's getting assaulted. Yeah. But it's also it's private. Yeah. This one's getting assaulted. Yeah, but it's also, it's private. This is a public thing. So I think her perspective was that if she tells these people that she was a biological male

for 30 years and then transitioned, that she'll get publicly persecuted and people will be upset. But you got to give people the opportunity to say no. Like, I don't want to compete against someone like that, especially in the level of competition that she was facing. In combat sports specifically. Yeah, but it's also, like, it's low-level combat sports.

It's like once she fought a biological female that kicked her ass, Ashley Evans-Smith, who eventually made her way to the UFC, who was talented, like, very good, and wound up beating her. Because it wasn't like she was very good, but she had all these advantages of having male hormones flow through your body for 30 plus years. Yeah, that's the other thing. It's a big advantage.

30 years of it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, just to be kind of real about it, if I, for whatever reason, like right when I moved from LA to Texas, I was in between doctors. So I was literally off hormones for maybe three to four weeks and like I I've been on them so

consistently for so many years now but I didn't realize how quickly it gets reversed if you're not on like I didn't see necessarily physical changes but just psychologically like just so many things people really underestimate when did you get off um it was like i moved here september 1st so from like september 1st to like october i wasn't on and what what happened what was the shift my skin got really oily my hair got really oily um i literally felt my arm hair get slightly thicker i have almost no arm hair but what is there i felt it get a little bit thicker um and then like yikes yeah i was like i gotta get a fucking doctor oh my god uh about to get some black market shit don't do

that no uh but yeah and that's only a month after being on them consistently for eight years so if you are if you've lived your life until 30 35 maybe even longer you have received the full impact of masculinization via testosterone yeah and that's not that's not inconsequential and people act like it is it's a huge thing well there's a guy that was on my podcast recently his name's derek he runs uh the website the youtube page more plates more dates have you ever is is he's like an amateur chemist he's a brilliant guy but he's but he knows a lot about steroids. He's done a lot of steroids himself, and he knows a lot about hormones and hormone optimization, and he even runs a hormone clinic.

And he did a series of videos about the problem with people transitioning and what are the benefits that these athletes are facing that activists are not being straight about and you know he's he went over specifically this mma fighter that used to be um what was was he was he a ranger or a seal when he was a male i think he was a navy seal or a marine yeah whatever jacked like huge motherfucker he was hot yeah pretty hot he was like actually pretty hot i was like yeah And then became a woman And started you know Fighting in MMA But again

I have zero problem with that No problem If it's consensual Special forces Special forces So He did a whole video on him Now there's a swimmer

Who just beat her slowest The next closest competitor By 38 seconds but see that is wild but the thing about that is like I think it's very easy to get a little reactionary to things like this and be like oh this is like a really bad thing and I agree that

it's a bad thing especially it's not consensual like you said but like what better way to show one of the major pitfalls of like this ideology like than just seeing it. In sports. Yes. Where it's measurable. Just to see the like physical difference sometimes between them.

You don't have to be like into sports or a fucking scientist to see like oh that's a huge human. That's a small human. And that person is probably going to have an advantage in some way over this person. Some of them are just like fucking big. And you see them lined up playing track or something, running track. And like it's okay. Those legs are long. The craziest one that I ever heard of.

What? A 50-year-old guy transitioned to being female. Caitlyn Jenner? No, no, no. She's older than that. She's in her 60s. Yeah, she is. 50-year-old guy and then went back to college and played college ball.

Wait. So women's college ball as a 50-plus-year-old man that's like 6'5", this fucking giant person. What's crazy is here's where it becomes a problem. If you're a woman, that's him right there. Oh, yeah, I've seen that one. See, this is what I mean. When you just see it and it's plain as day like that, it's really hard to argue for it. People still manage to somehow.

These are teenage girls. And what's really fucked is that these girls, for a lot of these 19, 20-year-old girls, they might be working on a scholarship, right? Be there through their sports merits. They might want to play in the NBA as a professional. And here they're competing against a biological male that's gigantic. That's a huge person. Like why you got to go back to – and if there's this many trans athletes wanting to compete, like where are the trans leagues at this point?

I feel like those should be – That would be great. I would love to see – If they had trans leagues. But then that would be a problem because the male to female would dominate well yeah I would say separate it just male to females

and maybe female to male separate yeah just like a reverse of what we already have of two right like I would love to see

Fallon Fox Box what's her name Alana McLaughlin the other trans woman fly there the one with the pink hair it's like

y'all just go at it you get out I want to if they're the same weight class you can't tell me like you wouldn't want to like just hit a blunt and watch two trainings beat the fuck out of each other that's hilarious it would be it would be more fair for sure if you had male to female lead but it's like is is there enough are there enough like male to female combat sports athletes that you could actually have a league and have people that would have opponents because you have to have if you're gonna have a weight class say if you have 135

pound weight class you have to have x amount of women in that weight class to compete probably will be soon now that like a huge chunk of like kids are wanting like it's going to be more trans people in the future a lot more so this brings me back to to the idea of the alien and the idea of CRISPR. Like if people could just transition, like legitimately transition. Like into a new body. Yeah, where you're switching. I think people are going to be the Hulk. I think you're going to have people that come out like Thor.

You're just going to be able to manipulate genes. you're just gonna be able to manipulate genes. I mean essentially that Chris Helmsworth guy, what you have there is weight lifting plus steroids plus genes. All those things are amazing. And they have to all line up to make Thor. When you see that guy with his shirt off, you're like Jesus.

That's a lineup, right? You gotta have a lot of shit in life. A lot of things have to fall in line for that. If you are a biological female and you transition to be a biological male and you want to look like that guy good luck good luck even though testosterone is a hell of a drug and i've seen some that i'm like well okay but buck angel's been on the podcast before i love buck angel very nice guy very good good person. Sweet person, real friend. And, and just a genuine person. When you,

uh, you see him and talk to him, you're like the same thing I see when I talk to you. You're like, Oh yeah, clearly. Just makes sense. Yeah.

It just makes sense. Like trans makes sense. Like it makes sense for a lot of people, but it's like, but I also think that it takes a very specific person to transition and end up happy with it and like live that life. It takes a very specific person. What is that person? I think it's someone who has experienced intense, debilitating levels of gender dysphoria.

It's been consistent. You're insistent on it. It doesn't go anywhere. And you seek the solution to fix it which for some people is transition but it's not everyone i mean clearly you have like there's this really alarming growing movement of detransitionism on young people online if you look up the word detransition on youtube it's a bunch of now becoming like influencers getting like millions of views talking about how they were 16 thought they were trans by the time they're 19 they're

done with it but their breasts are, but their voice is permanently altered. But they have, you know, that to me is tragic. Is their voice permanently altered? Like what happens if you get on estrogen? Estrogen does not change your voice. Really? No, not even a small amount. You have to kind of like voice train, I guess.

I've never done that. You're so lucky that you have a feminine voice. My voice dropped this is my voice since 13 that's so lucky right for someone who transitions because you don't ever have to fake it because like you know who elizabeth holmes is i'm obsessed with this lady and i'm sorry i keep bringing it up do you know what theranos is no theranos is this uh gigantic scam it was a huge... Oh, sorry, there I know. Yeah, yeah. The blood testing scam. She has a fake voice and she talks like this. And she tried to make herself

have a deeper voice so she was taken more seriously. But when her friends from college saw her, they're like, what is this bitch They're like, what the fuck are you doing, bitch?

Why is she talking like that? Right. And then they realized that's not her voice. Like, oh my God, she's pretending she's got a deep voice. Unless maybe something happened. She got hit in the neck with a lacrosse ball or something yeah but testosterone does change your voice though it does yeah that's

why a lot of you see trans guys in their own testosterone and like a month later they sound like like me like you and i'm like okay shit um but they also have it a lot harder with surgeries because it's harder to Make a hole than build a pole. Hi Yeah, I mean if you're making it how you build a pole exactly You can probably if I told you to go dig a hole you can figure it out, but make a pole from nothing Wow, I think you said it the wrong way I think you said it's harder to make a hole than to build a pole. Oh, my bad. Easier to make a hole.

Right. Is that what you said? We don't have to rewind it. That's the conversation. But it's clear. No, yeah. It's easier to snip, snip, make a hole than it is. I've seen, unfortunately, because I'm one of those dudes that are like, let's Google it.

You've seen the surgery? I've seen the surgery on both sides. I've seen where they grow a penis on an an arm they grew a penis on this guy's arm inflatable yeah well it's yeah and then it's probably numb you know like my knee i had an operation on my knee in like uh 94 some shit and it's still numb like the outside of my knee is still numb i had a an acl reconstruction so i have this big scar up my knee and if you touch that area it's numb okay so it's like that's probably what it's like yeah i would imagine if you have i mean maybe you get some of your feeling back but if you're growing a new dick on your arm and then they put it on there

how much of it do you feel and does it feel like an arm you know like if someone's like stroking my arm and i have to pretend like right like can you really oh baby keep keep touching my at that point i'd say just get a strap on and call it a fucking day i don't know but yeah surgeries are easier for trans women because it's like even in the sense of like top surgery it's like adding breasts is like a little bit less traumatic than removing them right yeah because you could always go back you could like a lot of girls get them removed but that's what's so scary about these kids it's like i don't know if you've ever kind of gone down the teen

transition or rabbit hole you have okay it's like It's like young kids. And I've interviewed a couple on my channel. One of them's name was Elle Palmer, I believe. That's her last name. And her voice is permanently very, very deep. Yeah. I believe she's had to have laser hair removal because she started growing facial hair she can't get rid of, removed her breasts.

That's Abigail Schreier's subject, that she's been attacked relentlessly for that. removed her breasts. That's Abigail Schreier's subject, that she's been attacked relentlessly for that book. Very bad, yeah. And that is like when I get called out for having transphobic content, they point to that only, to Abigail Schreier's work. Well, we're giving them something else now. I don't know how the fuck they're going to say

it's anti-trans, we just, we're giving them something else now. I don't know how the fuck they're going to say it's anti-trans we're having you on. You are. Because I, because to me, there's a very big difference between individual trans people and trans ideology.

And when you're trans, it's like you can either follow the trans ideology, which is ever moving, ever growing, new rules every other week, or you like don't. What's the newsletter

say for this week i don't fucking know that's the thing i hear words all the time i just did a video with michael malice on my channel where we reacted to like crazy tiktoks and it was all this trans shit in terms and i'm like how do i not know this and i'm a fucking tranny how am i not relating to this in any sense of the in the like what so it's hard to keep up with but that's also why i have a lot of empathy for people who don't understand trans people don't get it because everyone has a gay friend most people don't have a trans friend the tiktoks the libs of tiktok channel have you ever the twitter that's where i got all my tiktoks i reacted it's incredible libs of tiktok on twitter is the

best follow it's well tim dillon's the best follow. Libs of TikTok is number two. But Libs of TikTok is so fucking crazy. Like, it's almost like China is fucking with us. Because- The algorithm. It's not just the algorithm. It's like they created TikTok. And TikTok is, you know, when you've talked to software engineers

that have back-engineered the TikTok platform and gone over like all this different stuff that it does to violate privacy. They said, we've never seen an app like this before. It's like the most violating app ever. Oh yeah. It's intense. I've literally, um, this one time I met this girl at a gym and we became friends and we were just talking, but I didn't, we didn't like give each other like our numbers or like contact info or anything. Right. Like we, there was no digital attachment we didn't follow each other nothing and then an hour later I'm on my phone on TikTok I'm banned now but

when I had TikTok and I'm scrolling through and she pops up on my TikTok a woman I just met in person and it's not like she was like an influencer I had a following to where maybe statistically I would run into this person it's like she had like 12 followers and i was like that's scary yeah it's i bet it's probably just your phone being next to her phone like the phones are talking to each other yeah like what it's like i don't like that i mean granted i followed her i was like oh cool she has a tiktok how did you get banned from tiktok i posted that i didn't think it was transphobic for people to not date trans people if they don't have that preference that's it whoa they banned you for that that was the that was the yeah infraction it was tiktok doesn't give a fuck yeah because there was this um like funny meme that was going around called like

super straight and there was like high school kids being like i'm super straight like i don't date trans women like and but they but it's funny because the way they did it was like, Super straight? Yeah. I'm not just straight. I'm super straight. But the way they did it was like, okay, we'll say trans women are women,

but I'm super straight. So I go further than that. I don't actually date them. Oh my God. Super straight is hilarious. But everyone was super upset about it. And to me, I find it insulting on so many levels to like insist people have to date someone

of a certain type or be involved sexually. So I'm like, why are y'all attacking people for saying this? It's a meme. What did you say, though, that they banned you for? Did you say anything? I said I wouldn't want to date anyone who didn't want to date trans women anyways. I'm not offended by it. And people have a right to their preferences.

Everyone has a right to their preferences. And I got banned for that. Wow. I wonder what they're doing. Do you think that they're just they're social engineering yeah they're social engineering right but it's china is involved yes so it's almost like they're trying to push us towards the most ridiculous preposterous cartoonish caricaturish caricaturish version of what like a social justice warrior would be. Yeah.

And it just keeps going. It doesn't like stop. Going further and further left. Yeah. Do you remember like, I don't know, I remember being maybe like in 2015 watching like your podcast with like just people from that time talking about the SJWs are starting to rise up and like those guests. And it's like, that was like nothing.

I know. Well, people thought I was overreacting. They were like, I was talking to people like Jordan Peterson and a lot of other people. It was like, this is not going to stop here. You have to understand these people are going to go from universities into corporations. And then the corporate interests are going to be represented by these people. And it's going to spread this ideology. It's already happened.

In mainstream America. People are like, that's bullshit. This is a very fringe thing. It's only happening in small groups in universities. universities, but now it's undisputable. Right. You can't work for any major corporation without going through basically social justice training. It's just part of being hired places. And if you want to work for a tech company, good luck being conservative. You can't. You literally can't. Yeah. It's crazy.

You really can't. Yeah. It's crazy. But that's what's so scary as well. When you think of big tech, it's like so much of what we say is so controlled. And there's so much that I would love to just be able to open my phone, rant about on social media and not be like, how stupid is that? I got banned for saying that. Like, I don't think it's transphobic to not date trans women.

But you could say that on Instagram. Yeah, that's the thing. There's different rules for different things. Like on Twitter, I posted something along to the effects of kyle rittenhouse did nothing wrong that was like a tweet i posted but then people who shared that tweet on instagram got banned i knew i shouldn't share that on instagram that's like twitter only type of thing but then i had friends who reposted my tweet on their walls and they got banned i'm like that's scary well yeah Twitter is a little more free, but less free now, I think, with Jack Dorsey gone. I think with Jack Dorsey, I think was the last wall, the last firewall for free speech over there. They just banned the Ghislaine, how do you say it?

I know, Ghislaine Maxwell, the trial attacker. You say Ghislaine, is that how you say it? I think it's Ghislaine, yeah. Do you know how to say it, Jamie? Ghislaine? You think so? I've never heard her say it, but I think that's how you say it. I like to say Ghislaine because it's funny. That's better.

Let's go with that. Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine. The tracker. Got yeeted. Yeah, but it got yeeted for what? Did you see what it got yeeted for, the last post? No.

They showed that a bunch of evidence that was introduced already had FBI tags on it, which means the FBI had access to all of these CDs, all of these hard drives, all of these things, had reviewed them, and then had allowed them to be brought back in for evidence, supposedly. See if you can find that. Because it's posted up. A lot of people have reposted it under threat. Isn't this banning Streisand affected?

Because people are just going to ad nauseum. Well, you're smarter than the feds. Congratulations. In a way, but also that account had a huge following very quickly. I think it had like 400K followers very quickly. 530,000. Yeah, yeah. And they just banned it.

And that's what's like, okay, so there's all this media attention for the Rittenhouse thing. You can't turn on the TV without seeing it, which it was a big deal. I think a lot of American issues were kind of going head to head over that trial. But the Jelaine Maxwell thing, I feel like, is so much more to the public interest, or it should be. Because it's like you have Hollywood and the elites people collected connected to politics preying on young girls and the fact that that's not of a higher priority in people's attention span is really sad i think there's a lot of like black celebrities and black people that i follow that still have uh like a take on kyle rittenhouse because he went to a Black Lives Matter protest.

Yeah. Like, even though, like, I have black friends that thought he shot black guys until like the trial started. That was a lot of my progressive friends. Yeah. They thought, they thought it was because nobody knew. They knew he shot three people, but they didn't know. And then they realized like, oh, oh, he fought a bunch of, he shot rather a couple of fucking

crazy people. A white pedophile. Yeah. A white, what was he? Multiple offender. Like a guy who had raped many kids. Yeah. Yeah.

When I think about that kind of shit, I think there are really just two separate realities that people live in in this country. And to me, it's split up between people who either have faith in the corporate press and people who don't. Well, I think when in this case, it's a little different because I think there was a narrative that got put out and a lot of people didn't read into the story. They just bought the narrative. The narrative was this kid's a white supremacist who crossed state lines with an illegal gun and he goes to a Black Lives Matter protest looking for trouble and shoots three people. That was the narrative. But the reality was he didn't cross state lines with a gun. He lived 20 minutes away. He drove over there. Someone gave him a gun. He was working. He was kind of playing cop for sure. But he did administer aid to people and he did work to clean up graffiti. And I think the story

is, I'm not 100% sure on this, but i think the story is i'm not 100 sure on this but i think the story is that some guys who ran a car dealership asked him to come and help and protect it and these guys saw him with the ar and they chased him down they hit him with a skateboard knocked him to the ground one guy pulled a gun at him and he shot three guys tried to take his gun and i believe that the individuals that owned the car dealership were Indian men. So it's like he's there to protect these people of color, literally. We showed a meme in the Matt Taibbi episode. We showed a meme of how crazy it is that he's the worst white supremacist ever.

Yeah. And he shot three white guys while protecting two brown guys. Yeah. And then you have people to the even post trial like post like letting him go you have people who still think he went and shot two innocent black lives matter protesters because the way in which the media frames it is killed two people at a black lives matter protest it's like you're purposefully leaving out a lot of context here and but that's also their mo it's stroking more division hate, more this group versus that group.

It's also like the best way to get people to click on things. And that's always a thing with the media. And part of it, I feel it's almost like they're just trying to survive. Because to try to get people to read your news stories, good luck today. Good luck. Some stuff, though, is weird, though. Like some stuff I would agree that it's like, oh, it's just trying to get clicks. Like it's just about how many people are reading an article or tuning into something.

And then other things I think like they're lying maliciously. Like this is like some sort of actual agenda. Like when I saw the lies about you and Ivermectin, that was when I was like, well, there's been many examples of made me believe this, but actually there are just some heavily malicious liars in media as well, because I can't think of a positive reason why people would demonize a medication that actually helped you. You know, that was one of the things that helped me. The crazy thing is that it was on a laundry list of stuff that I took and that was the one that they pointed out. But you know, I've had legitimate doctors that have treated, including Dr. Pierre Corey, who's treated thousands of people with

ivermectin and people, I mean, they're, they're handing it out as part of the protocol in Japan and India and parts of South America and Mexico. Ivermectin is standard care. But the problem is it's a generic medication. It's very cheap. Like you can get a dose of ivermectin for like 30 cents. Right. And then you think like how do these people fucking get away with it? It's very frustrating. It's like so why do CNN anchors and MSNBC anchors just get to say it's horse tranquilizer?

Well, they – or yeah, horse dewormer. They used to be able to. But I think this time it changed. And I think with me the problem was I have more people that watch me than watch them. Of course. And I keep talking about it.

I don't shut the fuck up about it. So it's like every time I talk about it, it's worse for them because then people go, what did they do? And then they'll watch a clip and they'll go, holy shit. And then they'll watch the brought to you by Pfizer. Like you ever seen the compilation? Oh, yeah.

Anderson Cooper brought to you by Pfizer. You see like hundreds of shows brought to you by Pfizer. It's like we're in a Black Mirror episode. Every commercial is about some sort of vaccine. I was saying the other night I was just like high in bed watching like tv and commercials were coming i never really watched tv and i was shocked by the commercials every commercial has something to do with your health something to do i'm like i literally told joey i'm like i'm sick of hearing about health shit like i don't want to hear about health shit i want to hear about medication

like this country is so obsessed with medicine i was watching the ufc the other day these dudes were beating the fuck out of each other and every commercial was about a pharmaceutical drug like do you have any drugs for headaches because these guys have fucking headaches they just they just cranked on each other's necks and kicked each other in the face and they're they're they're selling medication for how to sleep easier it It's insane. And it's also insane knowing that if history went another way and Trump had gotten a second term, I think the vaccine skeptics and hesitant people would be on the other side. Because right before Trump lost, it was like Kamala Harris talking about how she wouldn't take the vaccine. It was every CNN anchor, talk show host, all these libs, Biden. Yeah, Biden talked about it and now it's about it

yeah now it's trust the science who's gonna take it if you're giving it if it does come out who's gonna take it it would have been the trump vaccine yeah now it's just get the vaccine get fractionated take the vax man yeah but that's also what is this speaking of him a couple of the tiktok thing do you remember that that Trump had an order to ban it? Yep. And then the Biden administration revoked it in order to change, I guess, the framework of what was going to be changed, like the banning and what they were actually banning about data sales and tracking and all sorts of stuff. But it hasn't happened.

But here, if you look at the top of the article, look what it says there. But the apps still aren't out of hot water. What does that mean? Yeah. Oh still aren't out of hot water. What does that mean? Yeah. Oh, the apps are in hot water. Those apps have a hundred billion people on them. Like, what the fuck are you saying? So with this, the tracker trial thing, there is something

apparently here with this, some Twitter sleuths, if you will, did some digging into the account and some old archive tweets. That account was used for other tweeting purposes. Oh, so like their Russian troll account? Maybe, but they were saying that that account wasn't like a person at the trial.

They were just reposting stuff from other mainstream media sources that they were almost claiming weren't following the trial too, which is a little strange. See, but see why they banned them. There could be a reason just to pull them off. But the reason to ban them is because of this.

They had other Twitter accounts also pointing to a Substack newsletter. Including an account established to report only negative news about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. But why is that ban worthy? Because if you're using bots and stuff to take people off of Twitter's website, they don't want that. Oh, okay. And that's a reason to do it. But is that a bot? It says they had other accounts. I don't know that it's a bot. I don't know that that's accurate.

That just could be a reason to do it. But if they're connected to someone that's just only criticizing AOC, like that might be a reason alone. Twitter leans so far left. I mean, Twittergan murphy for saying that men are never women right yeah and then it it sucks because like all the alternatives to like mainstream social media are so cringe it's like i don't want to join fucking parlor i don't want to join like

join gab and talk to nazis what are you gonna do yeah it's like i wish it could just be truly politically neutral like we did not appreciate my, I wish it could just be truly politically neutral. Like, we did not appreciate MySpace for what it was. That shit was politically neutral. Tom had our back. Yes, that shit was fun. Yeah.

It was great. You could post bulletins and now it's like, you say one wrong thing and it's like, you're banned forever. And it's only on one side too, which is really frustrating.

Yeah. There's no, I mean, what's the best alternative platform? Is it Gab? I say Gab, you talk to Nazis, but I don't really know. I haven't really been there. That's just the narrative.

Well, it is explicitly very right wing. Let's go to Gab right now. Go to Gab. Yeah. Go to Gab and let's see what's on the front page. It's going to be just Milo Yiannopoulos. Is he on there? I don't know.

That fucking dude. Where is he? You want to talk about like the power of deep platforming? I've never been to him. He's been like un-person. It's interesting what pops up at the start. Candace Owen, right away, you vaccine cultists who are up and down, your vaccine would keep you safe from the virus.

What happened? It's a repost from an account called Morpheus Maga. Okay, but this is a repost from her Twitter account. Right. Okay, what else here? Omicron beats worldwide. Deaths worldwide have skyrocketed from zero to zero. So a lot of this is like reposting people on Twitter.

A lot of it is COVID stuff. Yeah. Which is hilarious. See, yeah, exactly. And it's very clearly like a right-wing pop-up. So my question, though, quick, just as a person, I've never been to Gab. This is a feed that they're curating? It says hot posts.

Yeah. It says hot posts. So most of those, like, it's curated by somebody. Okay, Morpheus Maga. Here's the question. Not this particular one, but how many of these people are Russians? How many of them? How many of them are Russians pretending to be Americans trying to stir up shit?

Did you see that they found out that 19 of the top 20 Facebook pages that were Christian pages were run by Russians? I saw that and I've also seen a lot of reports that like they will go into groups on Facebook purely to serve them disinformation. They'll find little pockets and communities and specifically join them, be one of them, and then try to radicalize them. Yeah, just start talking shit. Yeah. Try to take them further and further right the way TikTok tries to take people further and further left. It'd be kind of a fun job, honestly. Listen, they're hilarious.

Unmask. Forced to mask. Fly in a mask you can breathe in. What is... Is that like a bullshit mask? mask yeah it's like a fake mask and of course they use a hot a hot girl a hot republican ruthless girl right see so clearly clearly gab has a bias and even their twitter account where like it's like the owners of gab like it's all right-wing tweets just from them personally but like i don't want to join a

platform where everyone thinks the same. And say what you will about Twitter, they ban a lot of people who think differently. Yeah, look at this one. QAnon76. Why do they have so many stars? That's on their account name, but I believe that they have five stars. They're all verified. All these accounts are verified. Ah, verified. I want to get verified.

I think. They have a Let's Go Brandon boat. Look at that boat and tell me it doesn't smell like farts. You know that boat smells like farts. You know those people are eating bad food. It smells like dew for sure. Keep scrolling. Come on, man.

I'm learning. If you made a gab, you would trend on Twitter and people would be dragging you probably if you had a gab. Oh, I'm sure. They would come for me. But it's like, what else can they come for me for? It's already been so much. Did you see Vice News came at us for the RV stream?

The RV? The Tim Pool thing. They called me far right in that article, which is so fucking ridiculous. Vice is so weird. I know. There's a great meme for Vice. I'll send it to Jamie. What Vice used to be was these people that would go to these fucking crazy war-torn countries

and give you a real- They had great human interest pieces. Yeah, they had great human interest pieces. This one piece that I talk about all the time was Haimo's Arctic Adventure about this guy who lives in way North Alaska who lives off the land. He's a fascinating guy. Top trending story on- Murder by 5G frequency.

See what I mean? Like I'm not- Come on, man. Is that real? I mean, is that really a Russian or is that like a real person? See? This is the question.

All right, Jamie, I'm sending you this meme. This meme is the perfect example of vice. Look at this. Watch this meme. This meme is the perfect example of vice. Look at this. Watch this meme. I love memes. I think that memes are like one of the most interesting things to come out of the internet because it's a totally new form of humor. It did not exist before.

And they're powerful. Yeah, look at that. I will go to the most war-torn places on earth to expose dirty politics then and now. Ten reasons why Spongebob is homophobic right i mean spot on really spot on spot on it's a really a bunch of fucking freaks that work there it is but it's also there's an there's a market right like if you're working for tmz you're trying to catch a celebrity drunk cheating on their wife walking out of a club holding hands with the wrong person that's what the TMZ wants, right?

They want to get dirt on celebrities. They want to catch you at the airport talking shit, right? Hey, Blair, what do you think about this? Like, I think fuck him. And they're like, oh, Blair says fuck him. And then head to headlines. But that's their business. Like, you can't get mad.

That's their business. I have a lot of friends that are comics that were like struggling comics that used to work for TMZ. And I would see them at the airport all the time. And I'd be like, bro, not today. I've had zero sleep. I'll say something stupid and we'll laugh. But that's what they do. That's their thing.

This is what Vice's thing is now. Their thing is like politically left, hard left leaning, and then exaggerate the perspectives of anybody that's in the news that might have anything questionable because that's how you get people to click on things. Like calling you far right or calling me right at all. At all, yeah. And if I'm far right, then where the fuck is the line?

What they say about me now is I have increasing ties to the far right. Because they can't say I'm right wing because I'm not. So they say increasing ties to the far right. Yeah, that't say i'm right wing because i'm not so they say increasing ties to the far right yeah that's what they did what does that even mean i don't know i mean i mean granted we had alex jones in the rv right yeah but the thing about alex jones is like i see him as sort of like the internet's collective crazy uncle it's like he's the guy he's the uncle who like he, he's going to be rambling, he's going to be saying crazy shit, and you're going to be tuning him out half the time,

and every once in a while, he just drops a nugget, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's totally right, but chill. I wish that whole Sandy Hook thing had never happened. I know. Because if he had never had that crazy perspective, people would have a different take on him,

because now that's all they bring up. And what he said was very unfortunate. He hates that he did it. But Alex was going through an episode. He was having, I've known Alex for 23 years. He's a great guy. I was out with him the other night. He's a lot of fun. He came to the comedy show at Vulcan. We got married. I know you got married. He is a sweet guy. Like people get the wrong impression of him. But it's because of that whole thing. But he had gone through an episode where he was drinking like multiple bottles of alcohol a day.

And he was having these psychotic breaks. He legitimately was. He'll talk about it. That was during the Sandy Hook time? Yeah. And I think a lot of it like he was going i mean this is not an excuse but this is just the the reality he pays so much attention to these conspiracies and for the longest time people were saying that he's just crazy but one of the things

that's come up over this pandemic and you know and leading up to the current state that we're at now is that people are realizing that a lot of the things he called are happening. He said they were gonna institute some sort of a vaccine passport, you wouldn't be allowed to travel, people are like, that's crazy. They were gonna move us towards

some sort of social credit system. They're absolutely trying to do that. That's exactly what's happening. Yeah, he was talking about human monkey chimeras.'s another meme because i fucking love me he's like about the water turning the frogs gay and like it was well it was actually making them her changed genders yeah yes and there's uh there's an alex jones was right tip jar meme that i love yeah i love filled up but then there's also like all the different things that he's, it's like you are here now because it'll show

all the things that he said that he predicted that people were like, this is bullshit. Here it is. I'll send this to you, Jimmy. And it really just begs the question, are people,

you either believe people or are the sum total of their mistakes or they're not. So I think that the Sandy Hook thing with Alex Jones was egregious. I don't agree with it.

I think that it was a huge mistake on its part. He thinks it was a huge mistake Jones was egregious. I don't agree with it. I think that it was a huge mistake on its part. He thinks it was a huge mistake. He thinks that. But I don't think that the rest of his life has to be tied to that. Exactly. Look at this. You are here.

Here's TV spying on you. Check. Elite cabal of sex traffickers. That Ghislaine Maxwell, Ghislaine, whatever. It's going on right now, the trial. They're turning the frogs gay. Check. Bohem turning the frogs gay. Check.

Bohemian Grove. Check. Silver Eye died. Check. Rich people using baby blood. Check. And right there, you are here. Human monkey chimeras.

Right. And then next is interdimensional elves. And you and I have both experienced elves. Yeah, I experienced that the other day. But yeah, the thing about Alex Jones is like, I think that people do have a really wrong image of him. I think he's a really nice guy. In fact, when I first started on YouTube and on the internet, one of the first people to ever

reach out was him. He had this really long message, novel-like message about how much I was inspiring him as a person, how much he loved me and what I was doing. I was like, really? I'm telling you, people just... It's okay, it's just water. People just have the wrong... It was like, really? Yeah, I'm telling you. It's okay. It's just water.

People just have the wrong. It's okay, Jim. Oh, there's cords right there. Oh, there's cords. Oh, shit. It's fine. It's not power. Probably would be all right.

It's just power. It's sound, not power. People have an impression based on one absolute mistake. The worst of what he's done. Yeah. And it is absolute mistake. The worst of what he's done. Yeah. And it is a mistake, you know? But I believe, and I think this is something that we should all subscribe to,

I believe in forgiveness. We have to have that. He didn't fucking kill someone, did he? Yeah. And as human beings, there has to be room for error. And there has to be a point where you can go, because otherwise we're just going to try to destroy everyone. Because everyone has're just going to try to destroy everyone

because everyone has something that you could point to, especially if you exaggerated it or distorted it or someone gave an account of an event that was inaccurate and then people, like they did with Kyle Rittenhouse, like they point to this one inaccurate version of the event and demonize him for that and And then you never forgive him ever. And this is who he is for the rest of his life. That's crazy.

And he's like 18. And so the rest of his life, he will be seen as a white supremacist unless there's a huge cultural shift and we stop giving a fuck about buzzwords like that. He'll be seen as that forever because Joe Biden called him that. Well, Joe Biden's going to get sued. I hope so. He's going to get sued. I think that kid is lawyered up and I think they're going to get sued. I hope so. Oh, he's going to get sued. I hope so. I think that kid is lawyered

up and I think they're going to slowly figure out what to do. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are fucked, including the ladies on The View. They're fucked. They said heinous shit about him. That is a heinous marketplace. That's what they're dealing with. That view is, all they're doing is like selling hate. I would love to go on The View though.

Would you? I would have so much fun. They would just talk over you though. That's what they did to go on the view though would you i would love i would have so much fun they would just talk over you though that's what they did this lady the other day this lady who i don't know what was wrong with her that she couldn't take the vaccine but they were like barking at her yeah they were just they wouldn't even let her talk yeah she was trying to explain that her doctor told her not to take the vaccine because she has some sort of uh predisposed condition i don't know what it was and she didn't want to divulge it. It could be just like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has an allergy to, what is it again? It's propylene glycol, some shit. He's one of the main ingredients

in the lipid nanoparticles or whatever it is in the vaccine is it's an ingredient that he's literally allergic to. So he would go into into shock like he would go into and what's it called? Apple, what's it called? Aphylactic. What is it? Anaphylactic shock when you have an allergic reaction. That's the thing. It's like one size fits all doesn't work in life anywhere. So why would it work with the vaccine? I just don't understand that. Like for me, we were talking about this earlier. For me, once I started hearing about heart issues, I was like, well, let me just pause. That doesn't mean I won't maybe in the future make a different decision. But as I mean, now I'm like, I'm just going to chill on that. Yeah. Well, you're 28. You're in very good health. You exercise all the time.

You're at a low risk category anyway. Right. And i'm on estrogen which increases my risk of blood clot why do i want to double up with a vaccine estrogen increases your risk of blood clots really yeah that's why whenever i have friends that are uh male to female trans and i see i'm smoking a cigarette i'm like fucking stop you're gonna die oh really yeah it's because that's that's one thing with girls and birth control yeah it's very similar the medications yeah oh that's right yeah like birth control is estrogen right yeah it makes you hella emotional gain weight easy and blood clots and blood clots but you can shoot loads inside of people and nothing happens wait what do you mean

for girls oh okay birth control yeah yeah i'll do it okay that's a it's crazy that there's only one option other than condoms and IUDs. And IUDs is kind of, I don't know if they work 100% of the time. Do they? I don't know. But also birth control, there are a lot of negative aspects for young girls that are on it. And so the idea that like your daughter turns 13 and you're putting on birth control, it's like, well, maybe. Yeah.

Maybe chill on that. Well, you know, it's like well maybe yeah maybe it's chill on that well you know it's like people don't want unwanted pregnancies which totally makes sense and the thing about human nature is when people get horny and they're together and they're alone and especially when they're young they're going to do stupid shit yeah you know it's just part of being a human being i also couldn't imagine raising like teenage girls or dealing with that at all so i have no perspective on like how to keep them from getting pregnant i mean i've done it i'm in the middle of it right now it's not the worst don't you have only daughters yeah yeah they're all girls i think it's so funny

sometimes i make jokes about stuff though and they go that's not funny yeah that's not funny i think it's funny that you ended up just being a girl dad because it's like you're like you in terms of like your public image is like very masculine very it's like that you ended up just being a girl dad because it's like you're like you in terms of like your public image is like very masculine. Very. It's like you just have a bunch of girls. It's really funny. I think the universe is teaching me something. Probably balances you out a lot.

Yeah, it definitely does. It balances me out. It gives it gives me a much better perspective on how women think, not just to, you know, be married and be married to a woman, to see little women being raised grow up and become you know adults you just if you're a man especially like if you do men oriented shit like i did my whole life like my whole life was i did you know fighting which is very male oriented then stand-up comedy which is pretty male oriented i mean i've made friends with a lot of female comedians, and I know them, but a lot of them are pretty, they're pretty hardcore.

Like, the shit that they say sometimes is more fucked up than the things that a lot of the guys say. I have some fucking group texts that I get into with my female comedian friends, and they say shit that I'm like, Jesus Christ, they're funny. I was saying that on the way up here. I like i was like i know buck angel's been on here so i'm not the only trans

person ever here but i'm probably the least masculine person ever be on this podcast because even a lot of the women that come on it's like danica patrick it's like you know just cool shit it's like she's an ass car driver yeah yeah you gotta be fucking badass to go 250 miles an hour whatever they do right you gotta be a crazy person right yeah she's a crazy person but in a good way you know she's intense yeah but uh i don't know if you're the most feminine i've had some pretty feminine people but you're up there i just always i was just looking through the list of all your recent episodes it's just all just like fighters and fucking michael malice who i love i love michael malice i do too he's become very, very dear friend very quickly.

He's a great guy. He's a funny dude too. Very smart. And when he trolls people on Instagram, I'm like, oh my God. Like after the Alex Baldwin accident, I was like, oh my God, I can't even read these. I know.

Every time I opened my phone was a new tweet about like Alex Baldwin killing people. We moved here on the same day. So we kind of like figured out Austin together. And like, I think on paper, people would be like, how are they friends? But like, we've gotten really close really quick i don't know how but i think that on paper shit is nonsense yeah that's true if it's on paper it's not you have to like you have to be open to different people and it's a it's educational it's good for you it's good for

you to have different friends with different perspectives. Like I've got some hardcore lefty friends. And then I've got some hardcore right-wing friends. And I love them all. I don't agree with them all. I don't agree with them on a lot of things. On both sides, I don't agree with them on a lot of things. But I think the people that have that mindset that you have to only be around like-minded individuals. What kind of life is that?

It's terrible for you. Yeah. It's very, I often say I don't like have a tribe. I think online a lot of people, like, first of all, people call me a conservative commentator. I'm like, am I really? Like, no. How did you get labeled? Who's the first person to label you a conservative commentator?

I actually think it might have been Alex Jones. He did? I think because that was the first show I ever did was his show years ago. And I think like the title of it was like trans conservative commentator. And I was like, fuck. Oh no, Alex, you son of a bitch. I know. I'm like, I get how that benefits you.

But now I'm like, then my Wikipedia page, how that, I'm like, fuck. But like, if anything, I'm more so center, right? But like you said, it's like, if you don't have friends from all over the spectrum in every area of life what kind of life are you really living when i first met alex he was getting arrested for protesting george w bush when george w bush was running for president he was talking about um all the ties that george w bush had to like elitists and globalists and that they wanted to start wars and do all these things. Like he was the guy that was attacking just people that were in positions of power that were corrupt or that were doing illegal things like on the campaign

trail. I think it was that was like one of the first times I ever saw him get arrested. He's more so in my mind, if you just like erase all the labels you put on people like an Alex Jones or even you or me, it's like if you just take away all those labels and what society is describing them as. To me, he just seems more like an anti-statist than anything. To me, he's just more so that. I mean, I know he's definitely more right, but he just seems to rail against the state more than anything. Yeah. And he's fucking hilarious.

The dude is hilarious. Like he's one of the funniest guy. Like when he goes on Andrew Schultz's show Like Jesus Christ, he's funny. He's funny as fuck after the last stream we did with a minute I just kept having these recurring like PTSD like visions of hearing child rape. I've got the documents Like just over and over again. It's so funny. Well, he used to always tell me about this Epstein shit He told me about it more than a decade ago, and I was like, wait a minute, what? And he was like, there's a fucking island. They take them to this island.

They compromise them. They have hidden cameras. They get them all licked up, and then they bring them around. These are beautiful women. They don't know. They probably don't even know that these girls are underage. And next thing you know, they got video of them fucking these underage girls, and that's how they get policies passed and this and that, and they have all this dirt on people,

and then they bring in other people to the fold, and they have, they'll reach out, they'll try to bring other people in, like really. Flash forward. Yeah, I was at the time, he was saying that,

I was like, this is crazy. This is one of them crazy things that he says, but then I remember Bohemian Grove, because he was always talking about Bohemian Grove. Like there's a place they go, they worship Moloch, the owl god, they have these guys, they dress in robes. That's the impression, I can't. Yeah. When he was always talking about Bohemian Grove. Like, there's a place they go. They worship Moloch, the owl god. They have these guys. They dress in robes.

That's the impression. I can't. Yeah. When he was saying that, I was like, what? There's a fucking, they worship an owl god? But that's why it sucks so much that he went so hard in the paint with Sandy Hook. What's the name of that pizza place that he was in? Did he go with Pizzagate?

Yeah. He went in with Pizzagate, too? Yeah, he did. Did he go with Pizzagate? Yeah. He went in with Pizzagate too? Yeah, he did. I'm telling you though, his perspective is so skewed because a lot of times, first of all, the guy feels very alone.

He feels like people shun him and he's alone with all this information and he's constantly drinking, at the time at least. And he feels like he has these moments where he can't tell what's real and what's fake, because there's so much that is real. When you find out all this shit about, like, fuck Island with Maxwell and Epstein is real, when you find out that the government really did do a thing called Operation Northwoods, where they're planning on blowing up a drone jetliner and blaming it on the Cubans and arming Cuban friendlies and having them attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers. And they were going to blame this on Cuba so we could go to war with Cuba. He was telling me about that years ago, too.

I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? But then you read about it in the Freedom of Information Act and you're like, oh, my God, this is all true. Right. This is all true. All he does is do that all day. His whole day. And that's the problem when you lean

really heavily into the conspiracy side of things you start to lose sight of what could be real and what could be fake and that's what's so sad is like he is disregarded because of those things he got wrong but you can't be a public person and talk for a living especially about these types of issues for as long as he has and not had some fucking things you were wrong about.

His were big, though. Yeah, his were big. The thing is about little kids getting shot is the worst thing you could be wrong about. Yeah, there's not much worse. That's the problem. I mean, it's being wrong about a thing. It's not doing a thing that's wrong. It's being wrong about a thing, but it's still.

Yeah, but I still say he didn't fucking kill anyone he didn't fucking rape anyone he has a right to move on from these things eventually you know what i mean yeah i agree with that that's what i think but i think what he needs honestly like i tell him this all the time like he says so much wacky shit but a lot of it's true what What he needs is a hardcore journalist. If I was running a network and I had a show, I would have Alex Jones with

some hardcore objective journalist and they would go over things and Alex would talk about stuff and this guy would pull up the data and the information and go, hold on a second, Alex. Let's look at this. It's a good shot idea.

Yeah, like someone who balances him out. Because he'll go off the rails. He gets deeper and deeper. They're trying to depopulation. They're trying to ruin our lives. Child rape. They're trying to bring us into camps. Yeah.

And you go, they're not going to bring anybody into camps. Alex, it's 2021. And then you watch Australia. And then there's like camps in Australia where people are going because of COVID. It's like you lose your fucking mind sometimes when you realize that he is right about some of these things. But then the Australians are Alex, it's 2021. And then you watch Australia. And then there's like camps in Australia where people are going because of COVID. It's like you lose your fucking mind sometimes when you realize that he is right about some of these things. But then the Australians are like defending it.

You don't understand our country. It's just a camp. It's no big deal. And they'll post propaganda pictures. Yeah. Yeah, they posted propaganda pictures of like these like hot models like chilling, sun tanning, all this shit.

And it's like- They're doing TikToks in the camp. Yeah. Yeah, it's like just some hot bitch in a bikini doing a TikTok. it's like they're doing tiktoks in the camp yeah yeah it's like just some hot bitch in a bikini doing a tiktok it's like oh okay yeah so but that's what is the difference between here and australia is i think we have guns that is a big difference and i think that that severely mitigates the amount of tyranny we can face although if you would have asked me two years ago if we'd be where we are here,

I would have said no. No fucking way. This is America. So many factors just all came together in one moment in history, right? So much fear and then isolation and then anxiety and then this new crazy perspective that these pharmaceutical drug companies

are looking out for you, which is like they've never been looking out for you. But that's what's crazy is that these pharmaceutical drug companies are looking out for you, which is like they've never been looking out for you. But that's what's crazy is that this blind faith in big pharma, from what I can see, seems to be coming from the left in recent years. But traditionally, they were very distrustful of big pharma. It's just because that Trump guy got out of office. If Trump was still in office, like you said, they would all be anti-pharmaceuticals. It would be really interesting to see where this country would be in terms of therapeutics

and what our perspective would be about vaccine injuries if Trump was still president. Because if there was a VAERS report, which is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, if that reporting system was active the way it is now, with the same numbers it has now, but Trump was president, it would be really interesting to see how they blamed him and what they would say about this and what they would say about the fact that these pharmaceutical companies are, they're immune to legal threats, like they're immune to responsibility because of the emergency use authorization. I saw a headline today that was like,

Pfizer CEO says another shot will be needed. And I'm like, who the fuck elected the Pfizer CEO to tell me what I have to put in my body to be a part of society? Do we vote on this? No. You can definitely listen to them. They have no vested interest in you taking another shot.

It's not like they make any more money off of it. Right. It's fine. Don't sweat it. And all this Omicron, even though it's killed zero people ever, it might kill somebody someday and we have to act now. Right. And it's the unvaccinated people's fault that the Omicron is here.

And it's a virus of the unvaccinated apparently. Yeah. Even though the first cases were shown in vaccinated people. In California? No, it was in Africa. It came to California? Yeah. And it was a vaccinated person in California, too?

Not a vaccinated person, a boosted person. Yeah, vaccinated and boosted. I think it was in New York. But the thing is, it's like they're blaming it on South Africa, but the people that showed up positive, all of them were from other countries. And they traveled to South Africa and then showed symptoms of it. They could have easily brought it with them. And this is what the South African people are saying. They're like, we don't have a problem with this virus.

Like, people brought it here. And now you're saying that you're going to ban travel from South Africa. And that's what they've done. That's what the Biden administration has done. Like one of Bridget Phetasy's friends is stuck over in South Africa. Yeah. They went over there on a vacation like, oh, fuck. Right.

But travel bans are racist if it's a Republican president. Yes. And for some reason, you're allowed to call it the South Africa strain. Right. How come? Right. Because it's different rules. You can't call it the China virus, but you can call it the South Africa strain. Right. How come? Right. Because it's different rules. You can't call it the China virus,

but you can call it the South African strain. Right. So here's my question. So I'm 28 and you're older than me. 54. Okay. And have you ever seen anything like this before? Nothing.

Where it's papers to go to Applebee's? Nothing. No. No, it's never happened before. It didn't even happen during the Spanish flu. Right. A lot of fucking people died during the Spanish flu. The Spanish flu is way worse than this.

Because we talked to Joey's grandmother, who's 97, and worked for the CIA her entire life. Jesus. She probably knows some shit. Actually, her whole family worked for the CIA. Ask her about UFOs. Okay, so I did.

Yeah. And she looks at me with the most stoic, like... And then she just looked away. She pretended like she didn't hear me. okay so i did yeah and she looks at me with the most stoic like and then she just looked away like she pretended like she didn't hear me i'm like okay there's something she knows and she's not the kind of person to like mess with you like she legitimately probably processed like and then just this bitch yeah this bitch is not this loud mouth bitch what did she do talk shit on the internet for a living okay i would be here so quick being like, I know someone on the CIA.

Right. You got a YouTube channel. Yeah. And he's ready to press play. Right. But yeah, but she said when I asked her, have you ever seen anything like this before?

Cause she's 97. Right. She said, hell no. No, this is as bad as it's ever gotten in terms of the, the lack of, the, the, the, the lack of rational thinking, the tribalism, the belief in the government that they have your best interest.

The fact that they lie to you on a constant basis and people are just soaking it up. this belief that i think everyone has that our government has been capable of evil incorrect things in the past but they never believe that they're capable of it in the moment so we can admit that all these like human rights violations have occurred slavery like what we did to the asians we did that group that group so you think that this can't be anything similar to that well how about the tuskegee experiment which tell me about that i don't that is when and i believe google this i believe the tuskegee experiment was run by the cdc make sure that's correct so what they did was they had african americans who had syphilis and they pretended to give them treatment for syphilis, but they didn't.

They gave them nothing. And then they allowed them to go and infect their family, infect their wives, infect their children that were born through that. When was this? Yeah, it was done by the CDC. 1932. Okay. Between 1932 and 1972. So this is a 40 fucking year experiment.

This was happening while I was alive. I was a small child at the time, but this was happening while I was alive. The Tuskegee experiment or the Tuskegee syphilis study was an ethically abusive study. That's a fucking, that's a minor way of putting it. Right. Conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC. The one that we're talking about now, the CDC, that's the group.

Different people, obviously. On a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis. The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study, it was entirely treatable. So by the end of the study, they had penicillin. They had a treatment for it. The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment, and more than 100 died as a result. So 100 out of 400 died.

They could have totally been treated, and they would have been fine. The Public Health Service started the study in 1932 in collaboration with the Tuskegee University. Excuse me. And then the Tuskegee Institute, a historically black college in Alabama. In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama. Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis with a control group of 201 men who were not infected.

As an incentive for participation in the study, the men were promised free medical care. Jesus Christ. Wow. While the men were provided with both medical and mental care that they otherwise would not have received, they were deceived by the PHS who never informed them of their syphilis diagnosis and provided disguised placebos, ineffective methods, and diagnostic procedures as treatment for, in quotes, bad blood. The men were initially told the experiment was only going to last six months, but was extended to 40 years. After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men that they would never be treated.

None of the infected men were treated with penicillin, despite the fact by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available and it had become the standard treatment for syphilis. That is wild shit. That's insane. And it really lends to the fact that there is a huge portion of the black community

that's vaccine hesitant. So for all the talk that there is about how this is a far right thing to somehow be trustful of vaccines, it's really just not true. And then you think of cities like New York City where there's a vaccine passport and you can't go to restaurants and stuff. It's like you're literally segregating black people. I think the number is in the high.

It's in the 70 percent range of African-Americans in New York City that are unvaccinated. Yeah. And I follow a lot of Instagrams that are geared towards black people. And you see like the shade room, for example, and you see all the comments when a vaccine is talked about. And all the comments are like from black people being like, yeah, this is bullshit. I'm never taking it. I'm never taking it. It's like mainstream thought in a lot of segments of that community.

Whereas it's treated as if it's some far rightright white hillbilly thing and it's like actually no well that was when they came after me and they came after me for saying that I got better quick instead of instead of looking at what I did and saying what is he taking like how how this worked the big one that I took I'm pretty sure all of them helped but I think the big one was monoclonal antibodies if somebody asked me do you think that ivermectin was what cured you i'm like i'm sure it helped but i really think that monoclonal antibodies had the most effect because i've given it to people or had it given to people that i knew that had covid that didn't get ivermectin and they got better quick really quick like within 24 hours

same as what happened with me and i think all those things helped but the fact that they were upset about that and never focused for a second on the fact that I got better so quickly that's what people should be looking at I was better in five days like not just better but testing negative and working out in five days wow that's that's something that and again I'm not young I'm 54 so that's what people should be looking at. But that's not what they looked at. And just the fact that it's not allowed to be like your autonomy and your own right to make decisions about your body and your health is so removed from the conversation at this point that it's a taboo to even bring it up or talk about it. You're not allowed to discuss whether or not this option is right for you. The vaccine right for you it's not it's just you're treated we have these new categories of people two new classes of people the vaccinated unvaccinated but then you think of like that's the mo of the media is creating categories putting

them against each other and now you have literally have the population not half it's less than half it's not back it's so ironic that if trump was still in office and we still had the same results the narrative would be completely different it'd be the trump vaccine and that's that also goes that if Trump was still in office and we still had the same results, the narrative would be completely different. It'd be the Trump vaccine. That also goes back to living in two different realities. There are a lot of people that think that Biden created the vaccine. I've seen that said

because people started getting vaccinated in the Biden administration. So all these fucking idiots are just like, yeah, Biden brought the vaccine. It's like, y'all are just... That guy is creating shit. He's creating shit in his in his pants my parents he's probably like two years away from them removing him i would imagine i don't think i don't see him

making a full term i if he does it'll be a miracle of science they'll be juicing him up with all kinds of shit right i don't want anything to happen to him but i cannot foresee i don't want anything four years from now, him still, I mean, you just see the decline. Like, if you watch interviews

from even the beginning of, like, the election cycle, when he was first announcing his candidacy, it's like, he just seems more there.

He's a lot less there now. Well, the stress, stress of the job wrecks everybody. Obama got a ton of gray hair during his term The only one that didn't affect his Trump went like fucking water on a duck Yeah, I don't know how that was. I mean, I know he gained a lot of weight

Yeah, you got fatter. Did he get fatter? I think he got a little fatter. Oh, he's celebrating. Yeah I'm the president. I'm gonna eat fucking McDonald's honestly There is something about like the Trump era that I kind of Miss in a sense, but I don't want him to run again. I voted from the first I said I voted from both times But did you really yeah, that's why people think you're far, right? Exactly, but like that's it's like Participating in like the election and just choosing the lesser of two evils suddenly puts you on a far-end extreme I don't get it. I voted for Gary Johnson, and then I voted for Joe Jorgensen.

So I voted Libertarian both times. So you're also why people say Trump happened, because you voted for third party. I voted in a country that, or a state rather, it should be a country, a state where it always goes blue, no matter what. It's almost like you have, your vote barely counts. Yeah, I voted in California for Trump. It didn't fucking matter. It was almost just like a, let's wake up and go up and there's not a chance in hell that a republican's gonna

win in california unless something wild happens which is kind of happening yeah i was shocked that newsom wasn't recall i mean i guess part of me wasn't but i had moved right before the recall election and so all my friends were like all uptight about it and i'm like peace i wasn't because the thing is like Larry Elder was the most prominent person on the other side and he's a radio guy yeah it's like he's not like some beloved character where everybody was like like when Arnold Schwarzenegger won when gray got was it gray was his name who's the i don't know i forget who the uh pretty young the guy that schwarzenegger replaced uh but but when he got recalled he was the first guy to get recalled and schwarzenegger

won as a republican that was crazy that was i'm sure i was really young but yeah so you didn't have your hat in for caitlin i thought about having her on the podcast. I think you absolutely should. I think she's a very misunderstood person. So she invited me to dinner a couple years ago, and I went, and she just talked. It was just her and you? It was me, her, and her girlfriend. It was like a romantic girlfriend, I believe, which is another thing. She's a very nice person she just i

think is has been so famous for so long that it kind of has like warped her reality in a way but that it doesn't happen to everyone though because i don't get the feeling like you have a warped sense of reality you're very down to earth and she wasn't like cocky or like that it was just like you could tell she saw the entire lens through how people perceived her and her entire worldview you have to invest your time in things that are absolute if you live in a ethereal world the sort of like fucking vapor world of fame it's a strange world that ebbs and flows with public opinion you You can't rest your own self-belief and your own identity on other people's opinions. It's too volatile.

You'll fucking kill yourself. It's not sane. It's not rational. I invest an extraordinary amount of time in things that are undeniable, like whether it's rigorous exercise or archery or stand-up comedy if you're not funny like they'll give you a minute or two if you're famous they'll give you a minute you'll have like a minute on stage and then like where's the jokes bro where's

the jokes like they're drinking and they're out they want you to suck like if you if you if you're not funny then they want you to suck because then it's great story. I went to see him and he fucking bombed. Like that world is a world of absolutes. Jiu-jitsu is a world of absolute. You either get tapped or someone taps you. It's real simple. You're trying to strangle each other.

Like how does it go down? Like when someone's trying to survive and they're trying to get you and you're trying to get them, that's a world of absolutes. The things that I like are things like I like playing pool because either the ball goes in the hole or it doesn't. It doesn't like you. It doesn't give a fuck how many TV shows you've been on or how many podcast episodes you've done. The balls don't give a fuck. They don't know. So either knock the ball in the hole or not.

You either win the game or you lose. And there's a reason why I spend so much time invested in these things that are undeniable and absolute. It's because I think that's the only way to stay sane. 100%. The world goes loopy and then your world is even more loopy because you're famous. Like that's a fucked up world like you have to have a lot of objective thinking and a lot of introspective thought and then you have to be very self-critical you have to be the kind of person that can be self-critical but not hate themselves i can't even imagine being like truly like so when i met

caitlin at dinner the way i knew she had arrived was millions of flashes outside. We were at Craig's in L.A. But she goes to Craig's. She's showing up at Craig's and going in the front door. Exactly. I go to Craig's, too. I go in the fucking alleyway. Exactly.

She pulled up at the front with her girlfriend dressed to the nines. And it was like, that was intentional. And maybe it was almost to, like, flex. It's 100% intentional. It's part of the gig. She's a male Kardashian. She was the Kardashian, yeah. Or she was a male. She's not a intentional. It's part of the gig. She's a male Kardashian. She was the Kardashian, yeah. Or she was a male.

She's not a Kardashian. Biologically. Whatever it is, she's a part of that clan. Exactly. She's a part of the Kardashian clan. And that's a fucked up world. That is a crazy world.

But there also was a few tidbits of our conversation that let me know she wasn't completely out of her mind with fame because she brought up Kylie Jenner to me. She's like, oh, my daughter Kylie has a makeup company. And just said it in a way as if I wouldn't know who her daughter Kylie was. completely out of her mind with fame because she brought up Kylie Jenner to me she's like oh my

daughter Kylie has a makeup company and just said it in a way like as if I wouldn't know who her daughter Kylie was and just a small makeup company or whatever it's like oh okay then you don't just assume I know who your whole family is but right but she was nice it was just I couldn't imagine being that famous because even just with the attention I have online it can be very mentally distressing you can wake up and like just have a near panic attack just looking at your phone so i've been trying to work out before i even look at my phone in the morning i don't even look at my phone i take it to another level i don't read any of my shit oh really you don't read comments or okay so yeah i i've definitely gone in that route as well i don't really read comments i only read instagram Instagram comments because they tend to be nicer. But YouTube, Twitter mentions, no.

Yeah, YouTube and Twitter seem to have cultivated an environment of ruthless criticism and shit talking, which people enjoy. People enjoy being able to talk shit about a guest or talk shit about the way you handle a guest or talk shit about you. And they should be able to, but I don't think I have, I don't feel as though I have any obligation to sit there and be like, this person thinks I'm ugly, this person thinks I'm stupid, this person called me a man. I don't feel like I have to do that.

You don't have to do that. I used to feel like I had to. It's not healthy for you. Yeah. It's not healthy. It's not good for your brain. It's like you can't process that many people's opinions. And I feel that if you're honest with yourself and you're self-critical, you'll do a good job of trying to improve upon your own faults.

Like if I do something in a podcast and I don't like it, like it'll fuck with me like in the middle of the night. Like maybe I have to get up to take a leak in the middle of the night. I'm like, how do I say it that way? I should have said it differently. Because when you're in the middle of talking, like right now, right this very second, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to say next. I'm just talking. Right. And sometimes it'll go sideways, you know, and sometimes I'm tired or sometimes I worked out too hard or sometimes I'm too stoned. And I'm like, what am I even saying while I'm saying it? And then also, if you really tweak about it, you'll think about the fact

that millions of fucking people are listening. It's scary. And then also, like you really tweak about it, you'll think about the fact that millions of fucking people are listening. It's scary. And then also, like, I've also adopted this sort of mindset of, like, not believing positive comments or negative comments. Because who am I to sit here and really take in someone saying, you're my hero and you mean all this to me? Because first of all, you don't fucking know me. Even if you love me and are completely nice and accolades and whatever, you don't know me. And also from living in LA for the time that I did and just knowing people in the industry or whatever,

it's like some of the people who are the most loved online are the fucking most monstrous people in real life. In fact, this is almost a rule. And then people who are severely hated tend to be the nicest, most awesome people. Look at Alex Jones. He's so hated. He's one of the nicest people I've met. Yeah but you see the pathway well yeah and then you see it with some people

where they were loved and then people found out shit about him like christy tegan and they just telling kids to kill themselves that's a level of egregious that i'm like i'm not about cancel culture but like maybe timeout culture for this bitch because you can't be fucking messaging and also she got a double whammy because the girl that she told to kill herself came out as non-binary so now she's like bashing a non-binary person too well okay what does that mean i don't fucking know when you come out as non-binary when you come out as like so you don't identify as male or female you're coming out as that. Okay, so what's going to happen? I'm coming out as indecisive.

Exactly. That's what I'm going to do from now on. I'm just going to come out as indecisive. I'm going to say that that's not even a gender thing or a sexual orientation thing. Just about life. I'm coming out as indecisive. I'm a fence rider. I mean, honestly, that's probably a little healthier than a lot of other mindsets.

But yeah, I don't know. The non-binary thing. So when I came out as trans, it was like I came out and people knew what to expect next. It's going to be some changes, maybe someone physical. You come out as non-binary, it's like. What does that mean? Yeah. Okay. Love it.

When did you start your YouTube channel? 2016. 2016. And so you had been out for how long at that point time uh 2016 was about five years ago so like three years but i hadn't had any surgeries when i started i paid for surgery through youtube oh shit yeah youtube funded your transition wow yeah which is not cheap for your channel to become popular um well popular is relative it's like but i started making the way i gauge it is i started making a living off of it about six months in wow yeah six months in good

yeah and then all of a sudden the possibility of transitioning became a lot more real because i was like oh i'm having money put in my account every month because of this shit. And what do you think started the popularity? Like what was it that made people gravitate towards your channel? Because like there was a lot of options even back then. There's way more options now. But back then there was quite a few options. Like how did you get people to come to your channel? Well, I believe I filled a niche, right?

So like are there really other right- wing perspectives from a trans person online? Maybe Caitlin, but that's a whole other thing. You know what I mean? So, and I think that also, even though I'm a political commentator by title, I don't just stick to that. I like to make videos about my life. I'll make videos about my childhood. Should I endure through life and just being very personal.

And I film all my videos pretty much in my bedroom or my living room. People feel like they're in my house with me right but that's also something that's dangerous when people start to feel too close to you and then they get very invested in your real life they start trying to tamper with your real life which has happened to me it's like if i go too long without posting with like joey or something then it's like you cheated on blair you guys broke up it's Yeah, so and then he gets called gay every five minutes. Yeah. Yeah his whole comment Sometimes I look at his phone and just look through his comments and it's like gay faggot gay gay Yeah, I'm like, why are you with me? How are you? How are you happy with it? Does he just blow it off?

He doesn't care. That's that's healthy Yeah, yeah, I think it takes a certain amount like a certain personality Yeah, and i think men who date trans women get probably more hate than trans women i would say yeah it's like a whole well i don't know about that from my perspective i don't get i mean i get hate for other reasons like my beliefs and all that kind of shit but i very rarely get hate like oh you're a fucking tranny but maybe if he had a channel does he have a channel yeah does he doesn't really do it a lot but he posts but maybe if he had a channel does he have a channel?

Yeah, does he doesn't really do it a lot, but he posted but if he did it a lot And he had like a lot of followers like you do Maybe he wouldn't because then people would know him for other things other than just the fact that he dates you yeah That's his that's his claim to To deal with YouTube fame is just a degree. It's really funny. He'll get stopped in the mall like are you Blair White's? It's like whatever blair white's bitch that's probably the word they use i'm sure yeah i'm sure yeah the mall is the worst place to talk to people about important things it's like dude i had like it was like a couple months ago like right before i moved and i don't want to sound like i'm talking shit because it was very sweet but this this girl and her mom came up and this

girl is an adult I say girl but adult and she starts bawling like bawling being like I transitioned because of you and you changed my life and all that shit and she just kept going and going and going and I felt so because that's part of like not believing positive comments it's like I don't know how to accept people being

nice in that way I don't know how to do that well nice in that way. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard. Well, it's hard. You don't really know the person. Then you just meet them one day. And this outpouring of emotion comes from this person that you've never met before. And they have this insane connection to you. So because like what we're doing, we're both doing the same thing.

You and I. Right. We're putting out our opinions on things and our thoughts on things. And some people it resonates and some people it resonates and some people it infuriates right and so you might meet someone that fucking loves you and you've never met them before or you might meet someone that fucking hates you and you never met them before and both of them are equally crazy yeah and in a strange way equally as valid however you take me is like how you fucking take me right but this is another one of the really big realizations i had doing dmt so we should talk about that okay so since doing dmt which i did it two weeks ago i

did it twice in two weeks i had this like overwhelming sense of like some people do dmt and then they start seeing people as npcs i've heard that talked about like they start seeing people as like these are not real people with souls and like that's strange to me who said that i see it all the time people's like i've had friends that do it and they start seeing people as npcs based on what kind of trip they had like if they saw the elves or didn't if they just saw cool colors or didn't and for me i wait a minute wait a minute so you're saying that if people have a dmt trip and they didn't see the elves and they think of that person who had that dmt trip as an as like an npc like you don't have like a soul because you didn't really connect with like any beings you just saw pretty colors like a you had a very simple experience you know what i mean um but i had the opposite from after

doing a dmt i see so much more humanity in everyone i'm around like i feel very changed after doing dmt it's a very profound experience and like i'm just noticing more things about people i'm being more aware of like their body language when they talk to me and it's i think it was a very profound experience. And like I'm just noticing more things about people. I'm being more aware of like their body language when they talk to me. And it's I think it was a very positive thing doing DMT. And my experience was the closest thing to a spiritual experience I've ever had because I've never been a person that's been terribly connected to like anything larger than me. I've never been religious, never been spiritual. And I'd say it was the closest to like a spiritual thing for me. I think it is a spiritual thing. I think it's an undeniably spiritual thing that's the thing about

it is like it forces you to think about love and connection and then the bonds that people have with each other in a way that you don't get from anything else the the the the powerful experience of a transcended psychedelic moment is uh it's not like anything else you experience in life other than maybe like a near-death experience but but you could argue that they're the same thing i know people that have had near-death experiences that swear that it was like a dmt trip i'm sure and there i think i don't think it's confirmed but people say that it's what happens when you legally die or medically die. It's like you have a DMT trip.

Yeah. And I could see that. But it's not confirmed. But there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of evidence that points to that. I could see that. And in a way made me like less fearful of death because I was like, if this is what happens at the end, it's a great feeling. Yeah. I'm OK with it going out like that like it's you just get this for me at least when I first was hitting it and then like you start to leave the planet I felt like this intense like set of rings going around my body like of just warmth and like happiness and love and then all of a sudden I'm like in space and um and I did see an, which is what people call them. What did it look like?

Kind of like a court jester. And it had like slinky long arms. And it sounds like crackhead shit if you've ever done DOT. No, I saw a bunch of court jesters too. A lot of people have a shared like physical description of what these things look like. One of my most profound experiences, there was a bunch of court jesters give me the finger just flipping you off they're like fuck you like openly mocking me and i was like what killing your ego i really well i realized i take myself too seriously like as they were doing i was like i know what you're saying and they went like this

like chill out that's it i like i got it like while they were doing i was like oh i get it i get it yeah that's the thing is like they a common experience people who meet the elves or the jesters whatever you want to call them they have like something to like teach you so for me it was kind of similar to learning not to take myself seriously but it was more so don't take life so fucking seriously. Right. Trust the process of life because I'm someone who, even though I like to think I have my life pretty together, I still worry about everything so much all the time. I'm always stressed out.

And the elf was telling me, like, does everything have to be a fight, Blair? Is everything a war? Are you worried about everything? Like, kind of clowning me a little bit, literally, because it's kind of clownish. Like, really? Is everything that serious? Yeah. Anding me a little bit, literally, because it's kind of clownish. Like, really? Is everything that serious? Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I'll just chill out.

Yeah. And it was like that simple. I was like, okay, I'll chill. It's good that you can grasp that and have that experience and learn from it, because a lot of people can't, and that's when they have bad trips, because they try to fight it, and they try to resist. No no i don't want to fight anything and then all of a sudden you're in this fucking death spiral that was my mistake with shrooms i did shrooms um about a year ago it was actually when i was evacuating la because the riots went up with some friends in the mountains let's do

shrooms um and it was my first time doing it. And the person who was supplying said shrooms basically gave me a huge plate like this big, stacked it, covered it in shrooms and said, eat all of them. Which is very irresponsible for someone's first time. How many grams? I don't know. I just know it was a plate covered in shrooms. Show me the size of the plate. Give me an

example. Oh my god. It was like a dinner plate. Like when you go to like Ruth's Chris and have a steak. Yes. Yes. But it was shrooms. And I have never done shrooms in my life. I had no.

That's a lot. Because until you do a psychedelic, you have no concept of psychedelic. Right. Like weed isn't anything close to it. And I'm on the same planet. So I ate all of it. We walked down to the water. And then the whole world changed.

But the difference between shrooms and dmt is like to me with shrooms you're still on earth even though earth's heavily distorted and that's because you have your eyes open and you're walking around that's true dmt you leave earth if you were in silent darkness if you were alone by yourself in the dark and you were laying down on mushrooms and just closed your eyes, it'd be very similar. Oh, okay. That makes sense to me. Yeah.

We were walking around and there's something about doing it. We were in this neighborhood in Big Bear with all these cabins and I started getting so freaked out that everyone was just watching from their houses. And it was me and five people. And so we were all tripping, walking back to the cabin from the water, holding hands, walking slowly. Oh my God. And I was like, are people looking? Are people looking? They probably are to the cabin from the water holding hands and walking slowly and I was like are people looking they probably are look at these freaks holding hands tripping balls

and we were all like social media people we were like people are going to film this it's going to be on YouTube tomorrow wow yeah I wouldn't have been ashamed it's not the best idea to do that publicly a lot of people wind up doing that. They do it publicly and they trip balls and they walk around.

Or to eat a whole fucking plate. I should have had one little shroom. That's a good way to start. A good way to start is one and you get a little feeling. Maybe a do-a-gram. You know, nothing crazy. Before you want to get into the three to five gram. Yikes.

I think it's also very important to do it when you're maybe in a good place in life. Like I would never want to do it if I was in a bad place. Like when I did shrooms, half of my trip was really, really scary and really bad because I was in a bad mindset. Like L.A. was on fire. I was escaping. I felt unsure about the world. I was escaping. I felt unsure about the world. Right before we tripped, it was like a news report, like Trump going into a bunker as protesters ascend upon the White House. And I was like, let me escape this. I don't I don't think it's good to use it like as escapism shrooms.

Did Trump have to go to a bunker? Is that real? I think they I think he denied it after that. But I remember in D.C. when it was the riots happening and I think they moved trump to a safe place i'm sure he would deny it but but when i did dmt um i did it very recently and i'm in like one of the best places of my life recently like i'm in a new city that i'm actually really enjoying even though it was a tough transition at first been through a couple of those um but i'm just very happy so i wasn't escaping anything i was like teach me what you have to teach me right yeah and then the second time i went even farther but it's um it's very bizarre that it's so there it's so easy to get to it's just 15 seconds away it's one of the most insane experiences that a human being could possibly encounter yeah it's if that was a if there was a thing that you could like a ride at disneyland it would be a mile long mile long line to get into that fucking thing right everybody would be like i want to go on that ride right because it's so fucking crazy yeah and just the

fact that i don't know so i had a lot of resistance towards ever trying psychedelics for a while because i did grow up in a household where everyone was addicted to drugs and my brother was in prison for selling drugs and heroin and all that kind of shit right um so i was like i'm never gonna do drug but then like i just see psychedelics a bit different it's not it's not meth it's not any of that shit no they are very very very, very different. Yeah. It's a whole different thing. And like, it's really hard to even articulate what the trip is with DMT specifically without ever doing it. So like people were telling me about the elves and I was like, y'all are crackheads.

Don't tell me about some fucking elves I'm about to meet. Have you ever heard the expression entheogen? That's what psychedelics are. I think if you Google the term entheogen, I think it's of God. I think that's something of God. The idea is that these things are doorways to the divine, that there's really a place that you can go to, and you go to through a chemical doorway in your mind,

through things that exist on this earth that people have to share. They have to tell you about it, and they share them. And that through these experiences, you can transcend your time here on earth and get a perspective that's not available any other way. So entheogen means a chemical substance plant origin ingested to produce an extraordinary sense of consciousness. Yeah, but what is the – that's just the definition of it, but there's a root of the word. Like where does the word entheogen come from?

Google that. Because it means something. Theo is definitely religious. Yeah, it means something that has to do with God. Let's see here. Nomenclature. There it goes. Makes perfect sense to me.

Full of God, inspired, possessed. That's it. So it translates to English as full of God. So what is it, from Greek? Yeah, it's from ancient Greek. That's what it is. That's a better word for these things than drugs. The problem with the term drug is it's a blanket term

that you could use for caffeine. You use for nicotine. You use for alcohol. Yeah, there's a lot of drugs. Adrenaline's a drug. While I'm sure it's possible, I can't imagine after now doing DMT twice, I can't imagine someone becoming addicted to it. Oh, I wouldn't know about that.

I know a guy who was a tattoo artist that was doing DMT every fucking day, multiple times a day. And then finally the entities had to sit him down and go, hey, motherfucker, stop. Stop. Like, you're going to lose your grip on this world. Wow. Yeah. They literally told him to stop doing it, he said. See, it's such an intense experience for me that I couldn't imagine wanting that every day.

It's kind of like I did it and I'm good for a while. This guy's an intense guy. That's fucking nuts. He's a wild dude. He's an artist who does biomech tattoos. You know that biomech type of art? No. You know what I'm talking about? See if you can Google bio-mech art. My buddy has a sleeve done by this dude.

His art's incredible. That's. Oh okay, that makes sense, yeah. But his is more like that, exactly like that. So it's almost like alien. That's cool. Yeah, like that kind of shit. That's a certain style of tattoo that kind of shit. That's, that's a certain,

certain style of tattooing called biomech. And this dude was fucking, he's, well, he is still elite at it. That's a cool thing to specialize in that type of tattoo. Yeah. That's a little different.

That's not, that's more like it. That's more like it. That kind of, it's all this weird sort of alien looking fucking trippy i would imagine you have to be an intense guy to even know how to do that so yeah well it's also to specialize in that one particular style of art it's like his vision of life was like all fucked up and distorted and twisted one of the people i did dmt with wasn't told to like not do DMT anymore by the owls,

but was told like, you know, you don't have to come back anymore. Almost in a gentle way. Like we came out of our trips and the friend was like, they told me I don't have to come back anymore. I'm like, how many times have you done it? He's like nine. I'm like, maybe take a break then. I've done it nine.

I've done it more than nine. Yeah. Yeah. I think I haven't done it a couple of years though. So maybe I could get back in there and have a conversation. But the, like I said, the last time that I did it was probably the most intense and the most weird because when they were giving me the finger but it was like I was I've never like but it's just I think sometimes what we what people do and what I've certainly done is you

protect yourself from criticism or you protect yourself from your own analysis of your your correct and incorrect thoughts and actions by bullshitting yourself and one of the the ways that you realize if you're bullshitting yourself is like how do you react to satire how do you react to being mocked how do you react to people not taking you seriously do you go ah as their prerogative good luck or do you go fuck them i'm gonna fucking make a response video oh right you know and the the aliens or the whatever they were the jesters and they all had the little bells the little hats yeah it's so crazy they look like little courtyard it's nuts they but they were going like this, fuck you.

And they were openly mocking me. And my initial response was, hey. And then I realized, oh, and they were like, ah, that's it. You got it. They're kind of sarcastic. Oh, yeah. Well, they know your bullshit. They know all of your nonsense. They know all of your thoughts.

I mean, whatever the fuck they are, whether they're a part of your consciousness or whether these are intelligent entities in another dimension that you're interacting with. See, that is what I've been questioning since doing this. So I was told by a friend who's done DMT a lot that after you do DMT, pay attention to the real world. And if you believe that the elves are real beings that are independent of something created in your own brain due to the dmt they'll like send you a sign right and i was like again crackhead shit no i'm not gonna meet the elves in real life right right so one of the things in my first trip that they kept telling me was this is not the end this is not the end they kept telling me that because i think i was asking them like is this what happens when you die like

what is this they said the phrase this is not the end multiple kept telling me that because i think i was asking them like is this what happens when you die like what is this they said the phrase this is not the end multiple times directly after the trip we go to a restaurant and i wasn't liking the inner like there's like a glow after dmt that you kind of want to maintain and i didn't like the energy in the first restaurant so i was like let's leave went to another restaurant what was wrong with the energy the people were just weird i don't know it's like you create like a bubble when you do it with like friends and you're like i don't like what they might do to our bubble so then we go to another restaurant and there's a huge sign that just says this is not the end on the thing and i'm like whoa what and then i looked at my friend who told me to look for signs and he's like

told you whoa so i'm like i mean i'm not saying that I think that they really are beings. I'm going back and forth between that. You know what? I got the impression. I've got the impression of this before, but I got the impression after the last time that I did it that the world that you and I are operating in right now, like this conscious waking world of tangible physical objects you can touch and feel and weigh is like a thin sliver of veneer that we're existing in. We're existing in this thin sliver of space and we're connected to this thing that we can't experience under normal conscious states. And this thing is constantly being affected and changed by what's happening in this thin sliver of veneer.

So all the thoughts that you have, all the behavior that you exhibit, all the actions that you take, all of those things that exist in this thin veneer is affecting all of this that's going on in eternity. That there's this infinite space of whatever these things are, whether they're souls or interdimensional creatures or beings, but that the way you interact with other people has a direct effect on that world and that world has a direct effect on the way you interact with people and that you have to develop some sort of harmony. And I think that

people struggle to do that throughout history. And that's one of the reasons why religion is so, it's so common. It's not just common. It's amongst all tribes. They've always had a belief, almost all of them, almost all major civilizations have had a belief in something larger than themselves. And whether it's gods or whether it's like a lot of the Native Americans thought that a lot of their gods existed in nature, the gods of animals and coyotes were gods and the sun was a god, and that there's some larger than this current experience thing that we must pay homage to, that we must give praise to, that we must feel the divine intervention of these other realms. And it just exists in all cultures, in all societies. And I think part of that is because there's moments in time where you're recognized.

societies. And I think part of that is because there's moments in time where you're recognized and you could have these moments in time, whether it's the birth of a child, whether it's true love, whether it's just the bonding between friends and an incredible moment in life where you feel like you get up just a chance for a second to peek your head through the clouds. Something more. Yeah. And see that there's something more and that you're somehow or another connected to this. But our monkey bodies will not allow us to see it because to survive, you can't really live in that realm. For most of human history, if you wanted to survive, you had to be a barbarian. You had to be savage. You had to have knives and tools, and you have to be able to fight off predators and warring tribes that want to invade you.

You couldn't live in the spiritual realm until they figured out how to stockpile ammunition and food and develop walls. Exactly. And then they started tripping balls. Right. But that is one of the first things, at least for me in my experience with DMT, both times I tripped, the first thing that happened other than those warm rings of love I talked about before is I felt my body disappear I like almost part by part I felt my hair disappear I felt my hands disappear I felt like the clothes I was wearing became like stupid like I instantly lost sense of my body and like the meat that I'm here in um and it's funny because

leading up to doing it my friend was like i'm a little concerned that you're gonna go into this and then come out and be like i'm a man i need to fucking detransition like to have some weird gender crisis because of it um who thought that well michael was telling me like like if you do it i wonder if you're gonna have malice yeah oh that fucking idiot right right right so he was kind of tripping me out a little bit and i was like so silly i know he is he's probably fucking with you probably um he seemed genuinely concerned though he's like just but but i did it has he done it i don't think so that's a problem yeah yeah um but he needs it more than anybody right um but there's no concept of gender when you're tripping on dmt your body isn't

a thing so why would your gender be a thing it's like a different universe no sensual there's no concept of gender when you're tripping on DMT. Your body isn't a thing, so why would your gender be a thing? It's like a different universe. No. Sensuality. There's a sense of sensuality, though. I've seen, like, women, like female figures that were, like, dancing sensually and touching. Geometric shapes. Yeah, and touching other female figures and touching other human bodies, like some, what represented human bodies.

But the thing is like, whatever the image that you're seeing, it only stays what that is for a second or two. And then it changes. And then it becomes something else. And it's like this constant, and again, you sound like a crackhead if you're talking to someone who's never had it before.

I know. I know. I filmed a video, my DMT experience. And the whole time I was talking about it, I was like, 90% of people that watch this are gonna think I'm a fucking crackhead now because but but once you experience

it you realize it is real and for me like I said because I've never been connected to anything higher than me maybe people will hear that and think that oh this is a very shallow worldly person in the worst way but I've never believed in God I've never believed in like a sense of higher self but I got that with DMT. Suddenly I was like, oh, this is really small what we're in and almost completely inconsequential. Yeah. But in order to stay alive, the thing is we're so attached to the monkey body. That's what we have.

We have primate bodies. And in order to stay alive, like this fucking thing right here, this is our ancestor, this chimp. I mean, not really. Hey, Grandma. But whatever that is is very similar to what we used to be. We used to be some weird, crazy, brutal primate. And now we're still pretty crazy and pretty brutal. But we're moving into some strange new realm where we're eventually going to look like this.

Like if you think about what that is versus what this is, like this is the direction we're going in, and that's the direction we came from. And we're still trapped in this body of muscle and sinew and tissue and hormones and the need to breed and the need to be accepted by the community to achieve status so that your social status encourages more people to breed with you. This is all monkey shit. It's all the same shit.

Yeah. And I guess I've just really appreciated the sense of vastness that DMT gave me because I feel like I'm a more or less rather materialistic person suddenly. I tried to go to the mall the other day and I was like maybe I should go get like a purse or buy some shit that costs way too much for no reason and I was like that seems stupid before that I would have been totally down so it just made me less attached to what is here but you can go too far with that too yeah you

could lose your grip on the natural world and be a fucking hermit living in the cave somewhere just want a trip all day i'll be that eventually like oh yeah for sure maybe not the tripping part but like i see my life as like i'm only going to be here doing shit like this for a little bit why do you say that because you're doing it now i give this That's the thing that I have with people that think one day I'm going to retire and this is going to be my golden years. What are you talking about, bitch?

Everybody wants to look at the end of their life as being some magic time where they're just going to be happy, sitting around on a porch, drinking lemonade. Yeah. I guess I just am a pessimist by nature and I see the direction that society is going in and it's kind

of like just worrisome. And so I envision the antithesis of what we have now, which is the state more and more in your life, people telling you what to do, people in your shit to the point where you can't go to a restaurant in some places without getting a medical procedure and then getting it checked by a minimum age worker at the front of the business. Um, the opposite of that is like what me being in like the middle of the business. The opposite of that is like what, me being in the middle of nowhere with some dogs, chilling. But then you might get bored and you might need more social interaction,

more intelligent conversation. There might be a, you know, you might be more miserable that way than you are. There's a certain amount of fun in being in the middle of this chaotic situation and being around like-minded people. And you go out to dinner with them and you go, what the fuck is going on? They're like, yeah, what is going on?

Yeah. There's fun to it. Like I'm not encouraging society to go in this general direction in order for other people to have fun. I want to be clear. But the fact that it's happening right now, you can find solace in like-minded people. And then it actually makes the conversations more fun when people out of their fucking mind and you find a tribe and i'm i'm i try very hard to not be tribalistic especially when you're doing like political

stuff and whatever like i never really feel at home in a room full of conservatives i've been invited to a lot of like whether it's just like gop events or have you gone to those like turning some of them some of them type of shit i did a a talk with the log cabin republicans a couple weeks ago that's hilarious the log cabin republicans those are the gay republicans are they really yeah is that what they call themselves logs is that what the log cabin's all about i guess so um oh my god that's hilarious and i met some lovely people but i also never feel at home in it because it's just so tribalistic it's so partisan and for me it's like i think of like all my friends met the closest people in my life none

of them have anything in common so my best friend is a little person from cuba like a literal like he's has dwarfism my second best friend is the only transgender refugee from ghana so she's from africa and like has she's very different politically than me and so is he um then i have like an anarchist friend michael malice and i have like trans escort friends that i have then i have like very like necktie conservative friends it's like i like that none of my friends have a ton in common because I'm just attracted to individuals rather than like, this person thinks like me, so this is my friend.

I have those, but I like having people that are completely different. The log cabin Republicans might be the bridge. That might be, those might be the people that can pull everybody together because they can check off all these ideological boxes in terms of like sexual orientation and being open-minded to

lbgtq issues like hey you know he's gay but he's also conservative let's listen to him maybe he's got a point maybe he's a kind conservative well that's the thing so michael malice and i have discussed this theory that like the best way to red pill people is to achieve like acceptance of lgbt people in the right-wing spaces because people aren't going to go to like where the nazis are basically you know what i mean you mean gab like gab we didn't find any nazis like gab i was disappointed you didn't look hard enough but when you alienate when you alienateate LGBT people, you're alienating their friends and their family. You're alienating the girl who loves to go shopping with her gay best friend, teenage girls. You know what I mean?

And it's like, maybe just chill off that shit. Like, there's a lot of values you probably shouldn't compromise on if you're, like, a true conservative. But, like, whether or not someone's, like, taking it up the ass or wants to be a girl, it's like, that's your biggest fucking... It's the dumbest value to concentrate on. It is. But it's like the main value for so many of them. Well, it's a fear and it's a it's a weird religious thing, too, because like in the Bible, you know, homosexuality in the Old Testament is frowned upon. But so is eating shellfish.

Right. So is wearing two different types of cloth. You're supposed to stone your kids at the talk back Oh, I don't think conservatives really do that. There's a lot of shit in the Bible That's very wacky, but they concentrate on the gay one for some I mean, I don't know what it may be back in the time see one of the Major theories about the advent of Christianity has to do with psychedelic drugs there's a guy named John Marco Allegro,

and he was an ordained minister, and he was on the Dead Sea Scrolls Translation Committee, the group of people that were translating the Dead Sea Scrolls. And he was also a theologian, so he was an ordained minister, but he became agnostic over the years because he was studying religion for so long he's like this is all kind of crazy like so he's like i'm just gonna

like i'm not gonna have any ideological perspective when it comes to religion i'm agnostic even though he was an ordained minister so when he was hired and when he was uh brought on as this part of one of the experts on languages to translate this, the oldest known version of the Bible. And I think it's the only version of the Bible that we have that's in Aramaic. And when he translated Dead Sea Scrolls over, I believe it was over 14 years, he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. And what he said was that all of this stuff that you're reading is, you know, there's translations. You're translating things from ancient Hebrew, which is a language that's based on numbers.

Right. Like ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers because there was no numbers. So the letter A was also the number one. So, like, it's really weird, but you got to think about this. And I hope I'm not fucking this up. But the way it was explained to me was that language in ancient Hebrew had numerical value. The words had numerical value, like the word love and the word God. They had the same numerical value.

Like the using these words in the – like the way you would place the letters. It was because it had a number value to it that we don't think of when it gets translated to Greek and to Latin, to English. And so he read this all these years and he came to the conclusion that this was all a misunderstanding. And then our version of what Christianity is, it's a crazy book. I have multiple copies of it. And I have original copies of it. And I have original copies of it because it was bought up. I believe it was bought up by the Catholic church. And then a guy named Jan Ervin put it back into print a few years back. But this book is essentially saying that all of Christianity was essentially about fertility rituals and consuming psychedelic

mushrooms. And that the fertility rituals, consuming psychedelic mushrooms. And that the fertility rituals, because people fucking died so often back then, that you needed to have a lot of babies. Yeah. And people needed to constantly have babies. And how do you talk to God? It's true. And theogens, yeah.

So his thought was this, I think, or the thought is, that the reason why they didn't want people to be homosexual is because they wouldn't have children. And if you're homosexual and you're not having children, you're not helping to contribute to the population because people are dying off. They would have rituals to try to bring babies into the world. They would try to make people more pregnant, more fertile. A fertility ritual was a big part of these ancient religions. Right. Because infant mortality was so high.

People die. If you got a fucking cut and it got infected, you're gone. You're dead. People died all the time. Right. They literally couldn't afford to just have gay people running around. Right.

Yeah. I mean, that would make kind of sense if you were thinking about it from the context of people who lived 8,000 plus years ago, whatever it was. I guess that's just why I've always had, I mean, I've always respected religious freedom. I see that it does something positive in many people I know's lives. And I think that that's great.

But I've always been so removed from even like caring or understanding religion or why people think that like we should be reading books from thousands of years ago to determine how we live now that's always been a very weird concept to me like i've always been not an atheist because i don't even care enough to say atheist i've always just been like i don't care if there's a god or not really yeah i mean i guess i've thought about it but it never to the point i've always had this i think that like i'll find out or i won't find out. But once you did DMT, did that change? Well, that's the thing. I have that sense of a bigness now and that there's more, but I don't know if that's God. You should have a t-shirt that says a bigness.

Sell it on your YouTube page. A bigly bigness. Just a bigness. That's what I think. That's like the word I think of. It's a great word. It's like a fucking bigness to like what it shows you. I like it.

I'll wear it.'s like a fucking bigness to what it shows you. I like it. I'll wear it. Get me a large. A bigness. I like it. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't think it's God per se. Maybe it is though.

Maybe. But I did get the sense that this jester that was talking to me this elf this clown this crazy she i had the sense that she's been around me forever it's crazy that you saw gestures too well it's a common thing gestures are common i know elves are common well yeah but to me it looked like a courtyard like and everything else was colorful it was like colors you can't even describe it was so beautiful but then she was like black and white like a like a fucking jester like a jester yeah wow yeah and but that's that's what gets me questioning like if these really are beings independent of what our brain could create or that actually exist on some level because

there are like uniform experiences with certain things like on shrooms like oh the table's gonna warp and you're gonna look at your dog and your dog's gonna look funny and whatever but like to actually see like what we perceive to be like autonomous beings and for people to have similar recountings of what they look like it's gonna be like are those bitches real right because that's what's weird to me it's like you met the elves too yeah whereas when Whereas when you do shrooms, it's like, oh, the tree looks funny too? Yeah. Well, if you close your eyes, you can meet the elves too.

I'm going to try to do that on shrooms. I didn't know you could do that. Silent darkness is the way to go. You'll see pyramids and hieroglyphics and you'll see aliens and UFOs and they'll tell you the earth is dying. Mushrooms tend to be, a like a lot of apocalyptic vision that's attached to like extraterrestrial ideas that are that happened my second trip which is scary yeah i i haven't even told anyone this because i haven't even been ready to say it

which i'm like my friends that did dmt with me and afterwards we were telling each other our trips but i left out that i think i saw hell which is scary pat benatar says hell is for children i guess i'm a fucking child i'm a huge baby because i saw what i thought was like the entryway to hell i didn't go fully in but i saw like it and it was really scary yeah i saw like just suffering and pain and like i don't know if it's like the traditional like hell in terms of like in the Bible or whatever. But I saw just like an area that you would never want to go. Yeah. Well, whether or not hell exists, there's hell on earth.

Like if you are carted off to a concentration camp and tortured, if you live in North Korea, if you live in China, if you're a Uyur muslim in china and your whole family is thrown into a train and shipped off to some work camp and tortured and you know i mean think of all the horrific things that happened during the holocaust all the horrific things that have happened in many genocides with the with the fucking the mongols did during the the wrath of the khan we have no concept of it we have no idea we have no idea imagine living during the time of genghis khan and you watch these people torture your whole family cut cut the limbs off of your children and throw them at you and laugh and light your fucking building on fire and they people throughout history have done horrendous things to other people. And the terrifying part is like you don't even have to look to history to see it because a lot of it's happening right now. There's a lot happening.

So you've had, I don't want to butcher her name, but Yeonmi Park. Yes. So I admit to have been completely ignorant about the realities of North Korea until I found her channel. And I'll watch videos and the things that sort of describe in the experiences it's like I Am the luckiest person on earth to simply have not been fucking born there and you hear like her stories of like seeing like starving deformed people on the streets and children eating rats and Like just the craziest shit that there's no concept of from this bitch who was born in California

Right and moved to Texas. Well, you think it's hard that you were in a small town yeah fuck my like and this is also one of the things that i've been really grateful for with my friendship with michael malice i'm sure he loves how many times he mentioned him on this podcast becoming popular i know he is but he um one of the things i've been very thankful for is i never really had a real job before youtube and the life i have now so i don't really necessarily have a concept of like toiling and like maybe what life could be if i was like struggling really hard for money or whatever and he is older than me and he tells me all the time he's like you need to be thankful for what you have because your life is literally phenomenal. Like the fact that you can just be you for a living and just talk to your friends for a living and like you don't have to worry about shit like that.

It's like don't ever lose gratitude for that. And it's so true. It's pretty extraordinary. Yeah. When you think about all the different ways that people can make a living, the fact that you and I both, that we just kind of talk shit. With friends. That's the other thing. It's like when Michael came over, I was like, hey, you want to come over and just like talk shit for a video?

And he's like, yeah. He came over. We just like laughed for an hour, got him an Uber home. And it's like that's what pays my fucking rent. I know. Like it makes you feel like almost not guilty, but like what did I do to deserve this? I feel like that all the time. Yeah.

Because all my jobs are like that. Stand-up comedy, when I do commentary for the UFC, all my jobs are like how the fuck did i get this job how is this possible yeah you know i think it really is just you don't want to contribute it completely to luck but i think it's a lot of luck like 90 percent luck because especially like you probably know this living in la for as long as you did it's like you just meet people that it's, this person is so much more talented than me. This person is so much smarter than me, maybe prettier than me. And they cannot get ahead at all in life. And I'm like, this person deserves it more than me.

I don't know if it's 90% luck, but it's a high percentage. But there's also discipline. And that is one of the hardest things for people to come by. When people don't have it, it's so hard to fake. It's so hard to get yourself to do things. And I don't necessarily know why. You know, when I was a kid, I was not disciplined, but I was always obsessed. So I get obsessed with things. So if they tell me I have to clean my room or they tell me homework is due by the 12th, I can't do it.

I just can't do it. They tell me I have to be at work on time. I can't do it. That was me too. I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm just some fucking loser. I'm a loser, I guess.

I'm just always going to be a loser. But then I found things. Like for me, it was martial arts and art. It was art a lot. It was drawing. And I was obsessed. And so I would draw all day. And I was art a lot it was drawing and i was obsessed and so i would draw all day and i was really good at it and it became a thing where i was like i couldn't wait to get alone with a pad

and a pen and start drawing so then i realized i go okay okay i'm not disciplined but if i just find things that i love to do then i am right because i'm not it's not that i'm not disciplined i'm just not disciplined to do things that I don't enjoy doing. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you have to find. What people have to find is a thing that they love to do and then do it as much as you can. Just go.

But if you don't love to do it, don't do it. Do it if you have to, to make a living and then find the thing that you love to do and do that. if you have to to make a living and then find the thing that you love to do and do that. So as much as it is luck, it's also you have to have the mentality to push through and find the path and be able to deal with adversity. And a lot of people can't. They encounter like a little bit of a struggle, a little bit of problems. And it's too much.

I'd rather get high. Too much. I'll get drunk with my friends. Too much. I'll do pills and go to a concert. And that's what a. I'd rather get high too much or I'll get drunk with my friends too much. I'll do pills and go to a concert. And that's what a lot of people do. And they wind up ruining the luck that they do have. Yeah. For me, it was seeing all the wrong decisions made from the people around me when I was a child. So like I said before, I was the only person in my immediate family to not be addicted to a substance. My brother was heavily involved with gangs, a lot of violence, a lot of really shady

people in and out of my house all day long. My parents fought like nothing I'd ever seen. Like, I'm surprised I have a healthy sense of relationships now because all I saw was like horrible fighting. And there was cheating that happened between them and drugs and alcohol and bad decisions. And so I grew up just constantly surrounded by people doing the wrong things. Although my dad held a good job and took care of us money, but it was still a lot of bad shit. And so I think I learned at an early age, like, OK, so this is the blueprint of not what not to do. of not what not to do. Like,

so my brother, for example, it's like, how did you end up the one in jail and down and out and not taking care of your kids and whatever. And I'm the fucking tranny. And I'm like the one that has my life together. How is that? We had the same opportunity to grow up in the same lifestyle.

It's because I was a little younger than him and I saw him do everything wrong. So I was like, okay, so I'm not going to do math. I'm not going to join a gang. Imagine me in a gang. West side story.

Right. But so I think that's important too. Sometimes you can just see. But then you think of how many kids are growing up in the inner cities and in bad communities. And they can never make that connection that what you're seeing is the wrong thing to do. So maybe it was the internet now that I'm thinking about it. I was able to kind of see people live other lives through my space and through the internet a guarantee that had an effect yeah because I've always been on the internet even before I did it for a living

what what do you think led you to identify as a conservative well I don't identify as a conservative but you call yourself a conservative no no I said people call me that you go to conservative things right so I'm center right I think that. But you go to conservative things. Right. So I'm center right. I think that's the best way to describe my ideology. Center right. To me, conservative entails like religion. When I think of like a conservative Republican, I think of like someone whose ideology is reinforced by religious beliefs.

And that's not me. But if you say center right to most people, they would say you're a conservative. Well, of course. But they also call me far right and say that you're associating with far-right people that really aren't you know what i mean so labels are for the birds for me if anything um i think that there is just more of a sense on the right usually towards individualism rather than collectivism and that's something that really spoke to me when i turned like 18 when i started realizing, well, if I'm going to be trans and I'm going to figure out

how to get the money to transition and live this very like specific life that's not going to be supported by many people around me, I'm going to have to be like a complete individual and be okay with that and really take my life into my own hands

and manifest what I want to do and be a capitalist. It's not easy to transition. It's a lot of money. So that's, those kind of always geared me towards the right, I guess. But,

but again, I'm not a conservative in the traditional sense. I mean, how could I be? I mean, I guess I could be, but you could be one of those like self loathing conservatives. It's possible.

Like there's a lot of those pray the gay away people. That's sad to me it's the saddest shit ever i've i've met obviously people like that and and the funny part about my life is like because i've been in like so many rooms at these like conservative events it's like i had this like list of famous conservative commentators that have like tried to fuck you and every time i'm drunk with michael malice i drop one more name and he's always like yeah have you ever seen that video where there's a guy who has a bow tie on and he is talking to a preacher and uh he says i'm not gay no more i am delivered oh yeah yeah that video yeah i think that guy whenever i think of the pray the gay away i think of that poor bastard because that guy whenever i think of the parade of gay away

i think of that poor bastard because that guy is about as gay as a fucking guy could ever be gay so route milo went uh did he really i mean it's it's it's for a show but at the same time like but this find that video i love that video because it's just they all start dancing and then they huddle like a gangbang. They all get on top of each other. They like smoosh. They all smoosh and they're like dancing together and huddling and feeling the Holy Spirit. See, I've never understood denying.

No, that's not. Is this another one? Whoa, look at this one. Those are some bitches voguing. That's it. That's it for sure. Give me some volume. I'm not gay no more.

I am delivered. He's got a big yellow bow tie on. Big yellow fluffy. Women. Women, women, women, women. Women. I'm not gay. I would not date a man i would not tear a purse i would not put on makeup i will i will love a woman a woman now watch this. He starts dancing. Look at this. Look at him. Look at him.

You're a non-believer. You're an anti-vaxxer. This is nice. Look at this. They're all going This is nice. Look at this. They're all going to dance together. Look at this. Listen, nobody does it better than black people know how to do churches. Oh, yeah, for sure.

Their churches are so much more entertaining. I love going to black churches. I'm not even religious and I've been to a few. It's fun. I grew up Catholic and it's boring and scary. Oh, yeah. It's all boring and then just depressing and weird. Yeah. These people are having a good fucking time. Look at them dancing. They have music.

They figured out how to connect it to good music. Well also gay people know how to party. Yeah. But everybody's partying. Yeah but they're all getting it. That guy's not buying it. Look at him. He's a boy. He's gay. He is gonna go right back to being gay.

He's got a dick in his mouth next hour. I'm not buying this. Uh-oh, he's got a problem. This is why he institutes the gang bang. The devil's not going to leave him alone. Show enough believers. That's your next shirt A bigly And show enough believers

A bigness And show enough believers See now they got a gangbang going on Look at them they're all huddled Oh this is his dream Look at these people Dancing up They're like bees when they try to smother one of them hornets that comes to kill the queen.

They'll get on top of them and buzz until they die from the heat. Look at them. Hilarious. Dude. We get it. I've never understood denying aspects of who you are. Because they think they could change it. I know.

They think that if they pray hard enough, they can change it and they hate the fact that they're not like everybody else. Yeah. For me, I've always liked the fact that I'm not like anybody else.

I actually think that's like a strength, not a weakness. And also, like I said before, everyone knew before I even told them I was going to transition

because I've just always been such a faggot that like, that like, when I was 13, I was in my small little town wearing like glitter heels and i had purple hair that's hilarious i was i was literally the depiction of the type of person who hates me now i was like i used to be you so don't even tell me about myself why i don't understand why they hate you like why because your perspective i don't agree with trans kids

like young underage people transitioning. But you, imagine if someone had come to you when you were seven or eight and said, Hey, Blair, I think what's really going on is you're trans and we can help you now. And it would greatly improve the way you feel, how feminine you are when you go through puberty. Because we're going to stop it and nip it in its bud you'll be way more feminine i don't think that that would have been good for me i don't think that there's when you're going through puberty regardless trans or not it's such a confusing insane time i don't think it's necessarily the right thing to pump a bunch of hormones in a kid and there's also no telltale foolproof way i mean we're speaking in hypotheticals

like maybe if someone would have been psychic and known it and known, I would have always been okay with it. But what if I would have had some sort of like ideological shift halfway through and been like, well, maybe even though I think I'm trans, maybe transition isn't the right way to deal with it. There are people who believe that. Right. Like there are people who believe that you can absolutely be trans, have gender dysphoria, but that transitioning isn't the solution. There's a lot of people that believe that you'll eventually be trans have gender dysphoria but that transitioning isn't the solution there's a lot of people that believe that you'll eventually just become a gay man exactly yeah and there's there's some evidence to that but the problem with that evidence is like just the fact that trans people exist in the first place shows you that there's so much variety to

how human beings are there's there's the the variables are so extreme like this uh there's clearly some sort of a spectrum of people and some people would be fine just being a gay man but some people I don't think will and I don't think well that's the thing is I think two things can be true at once and that's kind of like the problem with this whole issue is that I have met trans people who transitioned very I know a girl who transitioned when she was literally 12 i believe and her whole family hid from the school and the rest of her family they literally they didn't fake her death but they kind of just stopped talking about her existing and then she became a girl and they just had a daughter and no one ever talked about it isn't that weird but she transitioned at 12 so

her whole life and she's happy they move they move? Yeah. They moved. Yes. So they moved to a new town. And they had a daughter in this new town. And they hid it from everyone. And she only recently came out. And she's happy. She would not regret it at all. But then you also have these kids going online talking about this was a mistake.

This was a horrible thing. This was a social contagion. Yeah. And especially being me, because I've been publicly empathetic towards those people, and I'm one of the few trans people that is public online that talks about it. I get a lot of emails. So it's like I can see my friends on an anecdotal level that like are happy with it and transition very, very young. But then I have like 10 emails from like today.

Yeah. But you're not going to get as many emails from the people that are happy as you are from the people that are unhappy. Right. Very true. Very true. get as many emails from the people that are happy as you are from the people that are unhappy right very true very true i guess just the issue is that there's no way to really know that this person's not going to regret it and at the end of the day when you transition you are taking away your ability to have kids you are sterilizing yourself at least male to female do you get do you get love from the trans community or you get some love do you get mostly love i get a lot um so

i get a lot of love from trans people that there's just so many people in the trans community now that it's like there's so many different types of people so the people who are on tiktok maybe that think the extent of them being trans is that they're quirky and weird and have green hair and they're non-binary demi boy whatever those people don't like me demi boy i don't know what it is all these phrases so many new ones but then there's trans people that transition think of buck angel he and i are good friends and if i go to like an lgbt club or bar here in austin or la whatever i can't really walk more than two feet without people showing love and gratitude and whatever. So in real life,

people are nice to you? Oh yeah, I've never had anyone be mean to me in real life. Isn't that weird? Right. So your perceptions are based on anonymous people that reach out to you to be shitty.

In fact, this happened to me a few months ago. I was in West Hollywood filming a video on the street and this person came up to me and was like, I'm such a huge fan,

can I take a picture took a picture edited the video they made the video and then I saw them posting I'm in Blair's video and I looked at their profile and in their history they have all these hateful tweets about me I'm like I'm like so even if you hate someone it's like you're still kind of their fan if you're paying

attention then because people I hate I don't watch their shit I don't want to see it but it's also the idea of hating someone versus meeting them and realizing that they're just a person. And not really hating them. Just meeting them and knowing, oh, it's just another human being. Like the idea of hating someone you don't know is really kind of crazy. Unless you're hating Hitler. Yeah, unless they've done or killed someone.

Yeah, exactly. You're hating some barbarian, some horrible person who's responsible for death or destruction or whatever. If you just hate someone based on something that you think you can attribute to them, like to you, hate her because she's against kids transitioning, it's so easy to say you hate someone. It's so easy to say you hate someone. It's so easy to just like lash out online. That's one of the major problems with our culture is that so many people don't know how to think. And so many people are, when I mean don't know how to think, like they don't recognize that a lot of times they're being negative. It's just to distract themselves from their own real problems.

And it's often projection yes that's why like so when the dave chapelle thing happened and they had these protests um one of the trans activists i believe her name was ashley marie preston or something like that that's the one who had all the hateful tweets yeah so you're up on this little soapbox literally i think they brought a soapbox yes and talking about being anti-hate and anti-trans hate and anti-bigotry and then you have just this like huge list of like talking about asian bitches and this and that and it's like bitch you are projecting and you are everything that you hate everything that you hate well it's people are hypocrites and they want attention and then you

know the thing is they think the way to get attention is if you are in a marginalized group and that group has been attacked and you can stand up and say the most forceful, loud thing about this person who is, in your opinion, attack this marginalized group gives you clout. You know, there's a lot of people that just get clout from enhancing negativity and, you know, and just projecting it. Yeah. And then so you're friends with Dave Chappelle. Yeah. So did all the backlash affect him at all, like mentally? He's not online in terms of like, Dave is not on social media at all.

He doesn't, I mean. It's for the best, probably. Fuck yeah. He's, you know, it affects him in that it's not accurate. It's not who he really is. He's not a hateful person by any stretch of the imagination. So they're distorting who he is. But he gets it.

And he gets his position in pop culture and in culture in general. He's a spokesperson. He's not just a comic he's like uh you know every generation has someone who people go to not just for their humor but also for their perspective on things and a wise perspective that's dave he's probably the most respected comedian of our era not just one of the greats of all time but one of the most respected in terms of the way he talks about things. He's number one, really. Yeah, he's very thoughtful. He's very intelligent. And, you know, he's just almost universally respected amongst comedians,

which is very rare because comedians are some fucking jealous, backstabbing, selfish bitches. I bet. Yeah, there's a lot. Such a hard industry to rise up in. I'm sure it's just so toxic. Well, it's also the ones that suck are the most bitter.

Right. And the most shit. But it's, again, the same thing. It's like so many of them, they really have mediocre work. And they don't like the fact that it's not being recognized

and respected. That people don't come out to see them in the clubs. You can't see it that way. Well, they don't see it because they think they're great because they're they're narcissists right and so their perspective is anybody that gets way further than them first of all they feel bad when they find out that you know kevin hart's selling out 50 000 seats or that this person's doing that or you know seb sold out Madison Square Garden four nights in a row

And they just like oh And it's unattainable. It's not gonna happen to you. It's literally not gonna happen You're 43 years old your life is shit You know you could barely sell a Thursday night at the funny bone in Cleveland like what are you gonna? Do what the fuck are you gonna? Do and that feeling is terrible does Cleveland even have a funny bone? Yeah? I don't know. Yeah. Columbus.

Hilarities. It's not the funny bone. No, no, no. Yeah. Cleveland and the hilarities. Yeah. My point is, they get angry. And so they start coming up with reasons why that person sucks.

They suck. They fucking always suck. Transphobic. Hateful. Transphobic. Fucking homophobic. Racist. Insensitive to xenophobic and Islamophobic.

But what's really going on is there's a feeling that they get when they see other people succeed that makes them feel terrible. So they associate that person with a bad feeling and they hate that person. What they really hate is their own lack of success. 100%. That's a lot of it and then for comics at least yeah and i mean that's a lot of people but and then the thing about chappelle is like at this point the specials went out long enough i don't feel like we're spoiling anything but the special to me in large part was about his trans friend daphne who i believe was literally killed by trans activists. Yeah there's some dispute about that there's some

people that have done, it's really interesting I love the internet because of this, there's some people that have done a deep dive into like how many tweets were actually directed towards Daphne and like how many of them were really negative. The thing they don't take into account though is DMs and that's the thing

it's like we don't know what her dms were it's dms and also it's it only takes one thing to be said that triggers an unhealthy person or a sad person or someone in the bad place to do something bad yeah so it's impossible to look into her mind and heart in that time and say that it was that however i don't think it helps i think that the feeling of ostracization from your own community to be a trans person who is suddenly like shit now how do i even face any of my probably mostly lgbt friends most lgbt people have that's their friend group um like how do i go to these establishments that are lgbt now how do i maybe do she wanted to be a comedian do a comedy show to lgbt people those are probably the places that were booking her if she was booking things um i think that could

really affect someone yeah yeah being ostracized by a community is rough yeah it's it's one of the worst feelings and like for me i just think that people really missed the point of the special, obviously. Like they didn't look into it really. Just because he was defending his friend through most of it and talking about kind of how they killed her. So that's his perspective. Maybe it didn't happen. But it's tragic. It might have happened.

It's just the deep dive they did was that she was dragged on Twitter, and they tried to find examples. But the thing about that is, again, people do delete things, and then particularly they delete things right after someone fucking kills themselves. That's true. But there's also sub-tweets, like whether or not she responded to those tweets. She might not have. She might have just read them. But then the other thing is the DMs.

The DMs are like you don't know. You don't know how many DMs she got. Yeah, and those are the ones where people send the most crazy shit because they're not regulated in the same way that tweets also you got to realize like when someone's saying something in a bit like he's just trying to get to the point the point was she experienced hate whether she experienced it in person phone calls dms or publicly on twitter i don't know what it was but sometimes it's easy to say dragged on Twitter. And then it looked, and you're trying to get to a narrative. And the narrative is

they, they made her feel like shit and she killed herself. Right. And it's not a narrative without precedent towards people who do step away from sort of like the woke mob and ideology, because do you remember August Ameses she was a porn star who took a stand and said that she didn't want to work with gay men because there was like a risk of hiv or whatever so whether or not that's valid i think that porn industry probably has great testing i don't know if that was a real fear she should have had but at the same time um because she said that she was dragged horrifically by like the lgbt community and like she fucking killed herself

over that i don't remember that yeah it happened i think like 2014 15 something like that so i mean it is hard to and obviously i know that just like diverge from from that ideology and you get a lot of hate fucking hate for it yeah that's unfortunate you know because you would think that the people that have experienced the most discrimination would theoretically at least be the most open-minded and compassionate to others no it's the exact opposite the places where i feel the most comfortable rooms i feel the most comfortable in are the rooms people would never expect me to be able to be in and feel comfortable like i mean let's just if you go there's a difference between the narrative of a person who they really are so you have been called transphobic like you said Alex Jones

transphobic Tim Pool transphobic Michael Malice probably not Michael but um should I on paper we keep going back to on paper have felt comfortable in the RV talking to y'all and like being in that room maybe not if I believed all the things that trans activists said i would have maybe felt like i was in a room full of fucking dudes who were gonna beat me up or something that was such a clusterfuck of a podcast i know there's way too many microphones on i know eight people trying to talk over each other and it's like it was iconic though it was funny it was funny yeah it freaked lot if people got mad I know you know what they really hated how many people are watching? Yeah, it was like his most viewed episode ever

It was like and the funny part is like You're achieving Those types of number I think that I was like over two million two million views or something and it's like to achieve those numbers And it's like all it was was just like an RV. Yeah, just like hey come over. Okay. Well his what he's doing I always thought about doing but he did it and he did it perfectly he put together a roving studio Like his studio is awesome. I mean it really is fucking badass. He's got an RV that's got Microphones and desks and he's got like a control center and there's a big television so they could show videos and clips on it. I'm like, this is amazing. Jamie and I have talked about doing that like a dozen times.

That'd be awesome. Outfitting a dope sprinter van and, you know, setting it up like that. Yeah. I learned from that part. And you can't fucking eight people on a microphone. That was just stupid. It was funny. People were like, why weren't you talking so much i was like i'm okay with being out testosterone by fucking alex jones and joe rogan and temple like i'm okay with not being the loudest bitch

in the room in that room well everybody was just it was just there were so many voices it's too many it doesn't it doesn't work like and i say that when i do podcasts people like if i'm want to talk to someone and it's it's a fun conversation and they want to bring a friend that I know, I'm like, yeah, it'll be fun. Well, the three of us will be a good time. But even three people is tricky. That's even rare for you. Well, it's rare. It's also hard because when I'm talking to someone, I want to let them talk.

And then I'm also trying to think of, like, should I talk? Should I let that play out? I have a question should I enter? And it's like a skill. There's a dance that you're doing when two people are talking. When there's a third person there you got like three dance partners all on the roof stepping on each other's toes

it's more tricky. With four people it's super tricky. Then when you get to double that it's chaos. It's just madness. It four people, it's super tricky. Then when you get to double that, it's chaos. Yeah. It's just madness. Yeah. It was iconic regardless, though, and I really like what Tim Pool has been doing lately. And, of course, that shows he's getting more hate than ever, like more hit pieces and whatever.

It is what it is. Those people work for him, whether they realize it or not. All they do is make more people aware of him. It's cyclical, right? It's like and it's something I've been aware of everything that I've done in the past few years is like so I do something and then a bunch of people get mad about it. And so they post about it. Yeah. Because people want to post about shit they hate more than what they love.

And it's like, OK, so say there's a tweet bashing me with, I don't know, let's say 10,000 likes. So maybe those 10,000 people are agreeing with that. But how many people are viewing it with impressions? And then even if it's like 1,000 people that are like, actually, she seems cool, that's 1,000 new people coming my way. You do work for me if you're bashing me. The best thing you could ever do to someone you hate online if you hate me, well, let me not tell them to do that but just don't fucking talk about me bitch it's people don't understand that's like you're most of the time you're wasting your time and also if your business is just to bash a person like you are you're connecting yourself as a subservient you're

connecting yourself as inferior to this person whether whether you realize it or not. If you're constantly criticizing them, they don't even respond about you. You're their bitch. I love not responding. Yeah. I love it. Like every day I'm getting a new wave of DMs like, did you see what such and such said about you? And I'm like, nope. Nope.

And I really couldn't give a fuck. I really couldn't care. Good for you. It's a good attitude. Yeah. But I had to get there. Yeah. It took me some time and it took me in the beginning.

Like I would read everything. Yeah. And I would take everything in. And I would also start to believe the nice comments that I also think is toxic. And it's only a video about me. I'm watching every minute of it. I'm internalizing. I'm figuring out what I did wrong.

If I did anything wrong and a way to retaliate. And that used to be me. And now I'm like, I don't give a fuck. The people that do that all day and go back and forth and make response videos and attack videos, they're all mentally fucked. 100%. Yeah, they're all living in this weird world of emotions and anxiety.

The real world is the people that you actually know. It's like life, going out there and go go to dinner somewhere have fun i did exercise i did a dr phil episode filmed it in august blair tell me what's life yeah yeah very that tell me about your life his wife was lovely though he's great he's great i love him he's so he made me good friends with his son oh really yeah we're tight that's awesome yeah we go on like vacations with our families together cool yeah he he made me cry on stage oh uh but he the whole episode was about my dad's part of the family which of disowning for being trans and so he was trying to like reunite shit and he just said some really nice stuff that made me cry um he's a sweet guy he is

he really is a good he really is i know him off like what i did a podcast with him but i know him off the podcast he's fucking great he's great his wife's great his family's great they're like they're really sweet people like genuine sweet not not putting on a show his wife's name is we don't have to say his wife's name. Blow her spot up. She's on the show all the time, though. Oh. Yeah. But regardless, his wife is very lovely.

And I was walking off stage. I was still kind of like emotional. And she just grabbed my hand. And she was like, you're going to be okay. I was like, oh my God. But what I was saying was I did the Dr. Phil episode. And there was like this YouTuber. I didn't watch the video.

But I saw like a thumbnail come up and recommended it. It was like Blair White's doing the Dr. Phil show and I'm terrified. And it was like a fucking hour long video, however long it was, I don't remember, about how it was so bad probably that Dr. Phil's identity fought for me. I'm sure that's what it was. And I was like, how are you so concerned? How are you so concerned? They might not even be.

They might just be using your name to get clicks. Well, 100%. But well, then why are you such a fake ass bitch that you're faking that you're concerned? Because that's all they got. Exactly. There you go. Exactly. So I've learned to ignore it.

I've learned to ignore it. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you. Well, listen, Blair, this was a fun conversation. We just talked for three fucking hours. Really? Yeah.

It felt like one. I know. Just flew by. I was a little worried about that because I saw how long all your episodes were. I was like, I don't think I've done like a two and a half or three hour one now you did now I did now you did I appreciate it it was fun I enjoyed it I enjoyed it um tell everybody where they can see you where they could find you on social media where they can make a hate video about you right so um you can reach me on youtube youtube.com slash blair white x there's an e at

the end of blair Don't forget that. Twitter, Instagram, just look up my name. I don't know. You want to send me a carrier pigeon, a smoke signal, you'll find me. Just Google me. All right. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate you.

Thank you. Bye, everybody. Bye. Thank you.