The Joe Rogan Experience - #1748 - Beeple

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Mike "Beeple" Winkelmann is a digital artist whose body of work includes concert visuals for Eminem and deadmau5, multiple short films, and an ongoing series of images posted daily to his popular instagram account: Beeple_Crap. 

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hello mike hey how's it going you you look exactly how i thought you were gonna look isn't that perfect how is that good you look like an eccentric, fun art guy. An eccentric, fun art guy. All those things are positive. It's all positive. I guess that's... It's all positive.

That's actually pretty accurate right now, I guess. Yeah. You're an eccentric, fun art guy. And I brought you in here for one specific reason. Two reasons. One, because I think you're really talented and I enjoy your stuff. Thank you. Two, because I want you to explain for one specific reason. Okay, what's that? Two reasons. One, because I think you're really talented, and I enjoy your stuff. Thank you, thank you. Two, because I want you to explain NFTs to me.

Okay. Jamie's tried. Everyone's tried. I've tried multiple times. And you are probably the most famous NFT guy right now in terms of, like, your success with NFTs. Like, your NFTs, what did you sell for, like, an exorbitant amount of money?

We did over $100 million this year. $100 million. Over $100 million. Not counting secondary sales. Just primary sales over $100 million. That's an incredible amount of money. Yeah, it's an incredible amount of money. It's insane. Saying that is just mind-boggling to me.

I don't know what that means. It's like you're speaking words in French that you don't know the names, you don't know the definitions of? It's like you're speaking words in French that you don't know the names, you don't know the definitions of? It's something that I think is going to take a long time to process because it's so new and it's something that just came out of nowhere. Right. Like, again, I did not know of this like a year ago. What does it mean? What does NFT mean?

Yeah, what does it mean? I know it's a non-fungible token, but what is that? So it's basically just a proof of sort of like ownership of something. It really can be sort of like applied to like a bunch of different things. And to be quite honest, there's a bunch of ways you could use it. And like I think it would be very interesting way to sort of like interact with your fans. And I think it will sort of permeate a bunch of different sort of like industries, not just art. That's just sort of the beginning of it.

I think it's going to be like email. It's going to be like something where you don't get to be like, I don't like it. It's just going to be like you have – it's like part of being on the internet. And it's just going to be part of the internet. Yes. I've thought about doing something. This is my thought. I thought about creating like a separate branch of this company and then having that entirely dedicated to charity.

Yep. And then just use the NFTs to generate money for charity. A hundred percent you could do that. Because I'm like, it seems like a great way to just generate money for charity. Absolutely. It seems gross if I generate money for myself at this point in time. But if I just- That's fair.

That's fair. If I generate just money for charity with that, I think it's a good idea. You could generate a lot of money because that's the thing. It's really just a great way to sort of like organize people around like a common goal. Like did you see the Constitution Dow thing? No. So basically there's like – The Constitution what thing?

It's called Constitution Dow. Dow? Like T-A-O? No, D-A-O. D-A-O. So there's – Dows are sort of Decentral Autonomous Organizations. And so that's another sort of thing kind of in this NFT ecosystem.

Hold on a second. Did you know about this? Is this a new thing for you? Nope. I've tried to explain this too, once or twice. The DAO thing? I know it gets lost.

Did you know the DAO thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I literally told you this multiple times, Joe. What the fuck? You never tried to explain a DAO to me, did you? I wouldn't have started with that.

No, no, no. It's definitely like all these things are very new. And like literally this is a term that pretty much came to prominence maybe six months ago, eight months ago. Like they were around but not that popular. Now they're becoming very popular. And so what happened is with this Constitution DAO is people organized to buy the Constitution. It was up at auction at Sotheby's or Christie's

or one of these. And it was like $40 million. The actual Constitution you could buy? Part of the Constitution. Why doesn't Bill Gates have that? And just start editing it. Put his own words there. Everyone must be vaccinated with my vaccine. Everyone needs to use Windows. How does it go to that? How does it go to that?

How does it go to anything? But if you have the Constitution, technically. It was a copy. Fuck it. There's like 10, 11 copies. It was one of them. Imagine if whoever owns the Constitution gets to write in whatever the fuck he wants. I think that's what some people might have thought as they were joining us.

Could you imagine? Just added it. Can you imagine if you have your own constitution? That's a command of the future. Mike gets to be king. It's tokenized. Yeah. But so anyway.

It's free and legal. So they basically kind of like pulled all their money together really quickly. They pulled together from like 20,000 people like $40 million and like tried to buy and they just barely lost out by like, I don't know, $5 million one of the i don't i don't know who bought it but it was a copy of the constitution it was a copy it's just like a fucking piece of paper but a baseball card for the government right but the copy was generated when what is it 1800 or 1790 whatever right super like it's just an artifact it's just literally just like a ancient script yeah like just kind of like a like thing um but sort of it it kind of shows how people can sort

of like organize very quickly around sort of like a goal and so that's where if you had like a dow for like charity you could sort of like organize people to sort of like have voting power and like these are the charities we want to support you could could kind of have a role in it as well. And the problem with that is you could have groups that are organized that would go and generate money for a specific charity, and that charity might be bullshit. Well, and that's where you have – you can program in the rules for it. So you can make it very like checks and balances. So it's not just like, okay, one person is just like, okay, here, let's give it to whatever.

I don't want to do that. I want to have control. And you could do that too. You could have that too. You kind of like you can set it up however you want like here's the like choices. Like okay I'm going to pick these three charities that I like and I approve all of them and you guys like vote with the community so you can set it up however you want.

Do you know much about charities? I know not that much. I'm learning more and we're doing a bunch of charity work like next year that we're like selling artworks and stuff and like a bunch of auctions. There's a few charities that I support because I know the people that are responsible for the charity. I know like how they organize and how they run it. But man, a lot of charities are slippery. And what's slippery about them is, well, it's not necessarily that they're bullshit. Or they waste a lot of the money. The money goes to fucking just bullshit.

Well, it's bloated. Yeah. So what happens is a lot of the people that are running these charities wind up making an exorbitant amount of money while running charities. And you find out that these people are making like high six figures. And they're running charities. And you're like, wait a minute. How much of the money actually goes to the charitable act sure yeah and generally speaking it's not much yeah yeah like there we've pulled it up before we've shown like some of the best charities and

worst charities in terms of like how much you donate where it actually goes yeah you know the best charities obviously like if you could go to the source, if you could create, if you could figure out a way to get money directly to people that are in need, that's the best charity. But then you have to get people to facilitate that, and you have to pay them, which obviously they deserve to be paid. But it's like, should they be getting rich off a charity? Then the thing is like, okay, but they just want a job, right? getting rich off a charity. Then the thing is like, okay, but they just want a job, right? Is the charity for, I mean, you're supposed to,

the wealthy people are supposed to be donating. But if you need people to run that job, they shouldn't be doing it for charitable donations. They should be getting paid like a normal person. They should be able to live comfortably while they're doing this hard work. So I get both sides of it. Yeah, it's definitely something, though, that you can, like, if you want to see your money do the maximum amount of good, which I'm sure you do, like, it's something you do need to, like,

sort of, you know, kind of keep tabs on. I also just don't want to donate to anything that's bullshit. But, again, that's where you can control it, and you sort of give the options to the, like, ping that are all sort of, of like already approved by you. So it's sort of like it's not just giving up control. You can kind of like bring in the community in ways that you want that sort of like augment it and kind of like, you know, kind of get feedback. But it's still in a sort of like controlled manner.

So it's there's a lot of different ways to like kind of like use this technology to interact with your sort of like fans or like since i've been paying like ever since i had uh i had this woman renee di resta on who uh researched the internet research agency from russia they're uh they run troll farms okay they influence all of our social media like from top to bottom this is this is how bad it is they found out recently that 19 of the top 20 christian sites on facebook are run by troll farms Jesus, yeah, no, it's it's that it's that intertwined There are so many times where someone I'll read a comment groups like Christian what like groups like groups Yeah, like Facebook groups organizing because Obama's the Satanist like that kind of shit and you go like who is this?

Who's the who thinks Obama's a Satanist and then you go and look into it and you're like, oh, this isn't even a real person. Like this, you go to their Twitter page. There's so many times recently that I've gone to people's Twitter pages and I've looked at what they're writing. I'm like, I don't think this is a real person. No. I think this is like, and they have like a weird name. And then-

It's a bot, yeah. It's not a bot. It's not a bot. It could be. Yeah, it could just be a person and like- It's a person that's getting paid. This is why it's complicated because a lot of them are funny. This is one of the things that Renee DiResta said.

She went over hundreds of thousands of memes, and a lot of them were actually funny. So my point is, whenever you allow people to vote on things online now, you're dealing with an exorbitant amount of fuckery. That's true. Organized fuckery. exorbitant amount of fuckery. That's true. Organized fuckery. Organized fuckery from these countries that literally have a vested interest in causing mistrust. So what they could do is if you had a bunch of people that were voting on a charity, they would develop a fake charity that sucks. And then they would rig the voting. They would have like thousands of people vote for this one because a lot of people don't vote. They're fucking busy, right? So they would rig the voting. They would have like thousands of people vote for this one because a lot of people don't vote.

They're fucking busy, right? So they would have like an organized campaign. They have thousands of people working for them. Well, I will say – Hundreds of thousands of accounts. I will say with this though, you make it so that they have to pay to vote and that's the difference. And that filters a lot. That's where you're sort of – you'd be sort of like selling some sort of like basic voting right in this like DAO or like organization.

And that kind of filters. It's over. I'm out. I'm out. I don't like what you're saying. I think it'd be better if I just sell NFTs and no DAOs. There's a bunch of different ways where I think you can like sort of like use it. But I mean, there's and we're still very much at the beginning of this.

And it's like these things are very new. And yeah, there's going to be downsides to 100 percent that you are not incorrect to approach this with like hesitation because there's no like rush to it because it's still being figured out. And like people are figuring out what works, what doesn't work. And so I think it's something to sort of like, you know, have on your radar. But it's not like something where you need to like super, super like rush into it because it's not going away. Out of all the things that are ridiculously profitable, this is one of the most confusing and one of the ones that I saw – I never saw coming. I was like – when it was happening, I was like, what is this? And I've had 20 people explain it to me.

How did you find out like well i mean you've been well let's go back to this you've been basically putting up a new piece of art every single day on your website and it's amazing stuff a lot of it is animated a lot of it is not it's like how first of all how do you generate this stuff so i've been doing yeah a picture every day for the last 14 plus years. And it's every single day. No days off. That's crazy.

It's done that day. Christmas. Start to finish. New Year's. Christmas, kids born. Wow. Yeah. Wife's, you know, about to go to the hospital.

Is your wife like, hey, fuck face, take a day off. No. No? Absolutely not. Insanely supportive. Wow. She's been there the whole time. Like she's a year, we started going out a year before I started this.

So she's seen the whole thing when nobody gave any fuck about what I was doing. But now you've got to be like. In a fucking coffee shop, like with a fucking computer, no fucks given. Like seeing the whole sort of like progression. Now you have to be like, I told you so. No, no, no. She knew like she was super supportive the whole time. So it's like she honestly, and I think what people don't maybe realize is my story is a little more incremental than it looks like.

It went a little fucking hockey stick at the end here. Hockey stick. I like that. But it was like sort of gaining popularity. And that's how I i learned of nfts is sort of like my fans kept coming up to me i'm like right look at this you gotta like look at this and it was like when and i also was just like what the fuck is this it's not fucking for me it's fucking complicated as shit like and you were just into the art yeah i was just doing i mean this was

a year ago this was sort of like i was already i'd already done 20 years of art and build you know a couple million followers on you know social media and stuff and sort of like I had already done 20 years of art and built a couple million followers on social media and stuff. And sort of like you'd see my stuff a couple years ago. Yeah, when did we first get in contact with each other? I think I reached out to you. 2019. Like when I started doing that Trump stuff. It was actually right around when I started doing that Trump stuff. Some of them were so preposterous.

Like mechanical Trumps with things off of his nipples. Wasn't there one with Hillary Clinton's head was inside of his gut or something like that? There's been a lot of bad stuff. Bad stuff? You mean the best artwork ever. Picture. Yeah, there's one. Look at that one. Can you pull up the picture

from last night? Look at that one. Oh my god. Yeah, there's been some stuff. How are you generating these images? What are you using? So the program is called Cinema 4D and the renderer that I use is Octane and it's basically,

it's kind of like a sort of like 3D space. Like you play, that's the thing, you used to play, I heard, Quake and like, yeah. So it's like that. It's like a 3D space like that where I can like think about the monsters you can like place them wherever that's I could just

place whatever sort of like images or sort of like 3D models wherever I want scale them up break them apart put boobs on them draw on them afterwards draw on the picture on top of it to like change out any sort of like piece of it like I could

I saw that i saw you had it blurred out on instagram with the this is literally just you know for this was like a bit longer but like four hours in my hotel room last night on a laptop sitting alone listening to music like looking at dicks not looking at dicks making making all of them uncircumcised and so basically i found a 3d model of a dick i went and bought or i bought a 3d model of a dick and so i've got a lot of these other sort of like models of like people and like stuff like this i've got like a huge library of like these like models that i can like put jam shit in it's called kit bashing i can like bash shit in really fast.

Okay, I got to interject sometimes. Like what do you mean you bought a 3D model of a dick? What does that mean? He just glossed over that. You notice that? That's true. How did you do this? I don't know what you're saying.

Okay, so a 3D model of a dick is basically just a – I'm trying to like – it's kind of like a representation in like a game sort of like engine of a like dick. And so it's like the shape of a dick and you can put any sort of like texture on it. So again, think of like in a 3D world, you see like a gun or a car. Right. Instead of it being a car, it's a dick. And I can place it wherever I want and then sort of compose a picture with it. But you purchase it. Yeah, you can just buy it.

There's just sites where you can just go on there. Dick, penis, 3D model. How much does a 3D dick model cost? I believe it was $12. So you get a 3D dick model. Is it used Bitcoin? How are you paying for this? It's like nothing. It's like fucking Amazon.

It's just like two seconds. So it's a one click? Yeah. No, it's not on Amazon. I know what you're saying. It's like, yeah, it's like nothing. It's like their sites, TurboSquid is another one. TurboSquid has literally probably, I don't even know, millions of 3D models.

They're the like biggest one. I've used tons and tons of models from them. You just type anything a bike bicycle car helmet whatever and literally like you could pull up an enormous amount of like models and you could just buy them like in you know two seconds so we can put them into the thing and and sort of like animate them light them do whatever with them so when you're doing something like this like the the dick one or this what is this kanye drake one yeah for their like this, like the Dick one or this, what is this, Kanye Drake one? Yeah, for their, like, when they did the, like, concert thing.

Yeah. So when you do something like this, like, where's, do you have an idea and you just sit down? Or do you sit down and then just start fucking around and then eventually an idea comes to you? What's your process? Usually I have an idea. Like this, I knew they were doing that concert. And so it was like, okay, I'm going to do something with, like, a freaking, like, monster that's, like, both of them. A lot of these things are sort of, like, ideas of, like, current events sort of, like, extrapolated out into, like, a fucking crazy future. And so this is sort of, like, you know, if far in the future they'd sort of merge their, like, bodies into this one giant, like, Kanye, Drake beast.

Go back to all the images. Scroll back. So who's that guy on the right-hand side with the missile silos? What is that? That guy. But like kind of like imagining Santa was some sort of like in like a giant trash heap with all of these sort of like this industry that's sort of like grown around him like far in the future. And it's just sort of this desolate area where this giant commerce beast used to like roam the earth. Like it's very like I kind of sort of I don't know, usually just place these things and then sort of like after almost I'm sort of like able to see and kind of like I have like a vague idea when I'm doing it. Sometimes a very specific idea, but a lot of times it's sort of like just playing around until I like find something that sort of, I don't know, resonates and sort of feels like a thing.

And a lot of times I usually just run out of time because it has to be done by midnight too. What time do you usually start? Do you sit down at a specific time every night? No, it's sort of like usually it's late. But it has to be done by midnight that day. It has to be done by midnight and posted online. To get one a day. That's it.

There's never sort of like, oh, okay, I'm staying up till 3 a.m. It's done by midnight. Like I'm posted online. That is very never sort of like okay i'm staying up till 3am it's done by midnight like i'm posted online that's that is very like sort of that's your rule yeah this is uh two humans it says this is what is this supposed to represent i'm gonna be honest i have no idea this was just like i liked how this monkey head looked i have no idea on this one i do not have some flowery bullshit for this one i don't know dope, though. I don't know. I just kind of like how the teeth of the monkey and just they're like, I don't know, their eyes are like so crazy looking. And is this another thing where you got an image online and you just started working with it? Yeah, same thing.

It's sort of like I've got a bunch of things. So in that picture, I've got sort of I can make the ground sort of glossy to make it look like it's water. And then I've got a texture that looks like dirt, and I can just apply it to just a flat sort of like plane, and then it just looks like dirt. And then I've got, I can populate grass, and then just pull in like a 3D deer model, and then sort of tweak the lighting.

I can also put lights wherever I want. So I can sort of like change it from like daylight or like make any sort of like lighting condition. That's pretty dope. So it's like a 3D game engine. It's like a game engine. Exactly. And then I'm just like kind of like then I have like a virtual camera that I'm pointing wherever and then I just take a still of it. Go back to that, Jamie. This smiley face, like where do you get the texture for that thing? Look at the texture on that. That's so dope. Yeah. So I've got like a bunch of different textures.

And then I also run it through a filter that makes it look more like a painting. So you can see on the edge there how it's kind of like overpainted almost kind of. Like I'm also running it through like kind of like a, not an AI, but sort of this filter that makes it look more almost like painterly too. So I'm doing a lot of things afterwards, like painting on top of it and like. And you're sort of getting these ideas as you're doing it just kind of just like flow yeah as i've sort of like you know the the the style of these has sort of like evolved a lot over the last 14 years like if you go back like you know three years they look nothing like this and if you go back another three years they look totally totally different they were most of them are like abstract

and they were just like sort of like colors and shapes, like no weird sort of like people or anything like that. So when you first started doing this, this kind of digital art, did you have a regular job? And were you just doing this for fun? So I started when I was in college. There's water in this thing too if you want some. There's a glass right there for you. I started when I was in college and I went to school for like computer science and then just started making these like weird like digital art things and like short films with my friends and stuff like that. And then out of school, I got a job doing web design and then just kept making this stuff on the side.

Nobody was there was no way to sell it. It was just sort of like putting it out online and then sort of – it was getting me better like freelance jobs though. So I was slowly sort of like getting better stuff to – at the end I'm doing stuff for the Super Bowl and Louis Vuitton and Imagine Dragons cover. When did that start happening? It just slowly kept building. And this is because of your presence online? Like people would find out about you? Yeah.

And so like Louis Vuitton came and they were just sort of like okay we want to put the every days on the like clothes and it was just like what like you're just gonna put these pictures on like women's clothes no yeah what are you saying every days the every days those pictures oh the every days just each one of those like images you talk you call your images every days yeah well. Well, those. Most people don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so slow down. Slow down. So this is one of your images on clothes? That's fair. That's fair.

Yeah. You're saying every day is like everybody knows. Right? You didn't know what he's saying, did you? I do, yeah. Yeah, he speaks spectrum. He did. He did, bro.

Both of you guys are on the same level of spectrum. That's on you. That is not on me. You're saying every days? I put these every days on, I don't know what you're saying. He knew. He knew. A lot of people listening don same level of the spectrum. That's on you. That is not on me. You're saying every days? I put these every days on people? I don't know what you're saying. He knew. He knew.

A lot of people listening don't know what the fuck. That's true. That's true. So that's your original image in the lower right-hand corner, and then the actual clothes is what Louis Vuitton. Did these sell well? I have no idea, to be honest. Did you ever walk down the street and see some dork wearing one of these?

I did not. I did not. Honestly, I have no idea. It's just... It's definitely very super weird. We were at the opening of this, and I did not think they had actually used it. I assume they were just like...

These are actually... These are real images, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the original image, and they were... Basically, the original image had that McDonald's logo on it. They changed that McDonald's logo to a Louis Vuitton logo. And then they just put it on the middle of the shirt. I want you to imagine being on a date with a girl. And she shows up wearing that thing.

First of all, I'm like, do you live on Tatooine? Are you in Star Wars? Like, what the fuck is that? What is that shirt you're wearing? What is this outfit? Why do you have a hood on? Right? You have a skirt with a hood.

You are sending mixed messages. Are you cold? Or is it breezy? It can go a lot of ways. Do you have a rope around? Is that shirt tied with a rope? What kind of drugs do you like, lady? That would be a short date short or long

depending on how she answers the questions all right can you imagine yeah it's definitely interesting yeah really interesting so so they started doing that and what are the companies have utilized the images um a bunch of different sort of like and i've also done a bunch of like concert visuals that was another sort of like other whole other thing that I did where I was basically giving away these sort of like short abstract clips that are just kind of 15 second long clips that I don't know if you can pull up some of those but they're kind of just abstract um ambient things that people can use for anything and so a bunch of people started they became very popular in sort of the concert visual world.

And like so popular that they were like not cool to use because it's like, oh, you're just using the people clips. So they would put them in the background, like on those giant screens? Yeah. And so like all over the world, like people use these clips. They're like super, super popular. If you just type in VJ clip, like that's what comes up. Like this kind of stuff?

Yeah. And so this is one of them. And so like they be, because I'm just giving them away for free. Hold on. So just always remember that most people are just listening. So what we're looking at here is this wild thing

where you're going through like a pond and like some kind of a lake or something. And these wild floating digital red images are in the air. This is wild stuff, man. So this would be playing in the background, and someone would be jamming out on stage. Yeah, so if some band wanted to use this, and it loops.

It's like a perfect loop that will just keep going forever. You could just download it for free. You don't have to credit me. You don't have to do anything. You just literally take this and put it in your show. Oh, that's cool. And so I have hundreds of these out. And so most people just kind of know it's you?

No, no. They like, yeah, they sort of like, if they download it from me, they sort of like see it. And they're sort of very well known that these like clips are like free. Because I've been doing this for like 10 years. It's cool that you put them out for free. Yeah, it's just sort of like something where I love making these clips. I had no use for them. Like I tried VJing a couple times and it was sort of like, nah, it's not really for me.

But I like making the clips, and so it's sort of like other people can use these. And there's another one? Yeah, like a couple hundred of these. And so they all loop so that you can just keep them going for a long time. How are you making that? So it's the same sort of program.

It's just animated. That's not one. I feel like you could almost make a whole movie, man. Can you make people's mouths work? Yeah, it's very time-consuming, man. Can you make people's mouths work? Yeah, it's very time consuming, though. Can you make people's mouths move? Yeah, that's the kind of shit that's like very, like, very, very. That's the time consuming stuff?

Very, very time consuming. What if everybody had a mask on so you don't have to fuck with their face? You could do that. That's something I do. We live in a new world. I do put a lot of masks on. So these are just clips people can kind of download and use for whatever. And so that's how I got connected and did a bunch of jobs for Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande.

And through a company in L.A. called Possible, they sort of have hired me for a bunch of different stuff. And I've worked on the Super Bowl and sort of a bunch of different things through this stuff. So what we're looking at here, it says Crystal Dust Free VJ Loop. So you can look at all these online, it says Crystal Dust Free VJ Loop. So you can look at all these online and they all say Free VJ Loop. So how many of these do you have available for VJs? Probably like 250 or something like that. Wow.

So I think I found out about you from, it's Free VJ Loops. If you just type in VJ Loops. Yeah, and it's Beeple is the YouTube page. I found out about you, somebody sent me, I think it was one of the earlier animated ones, whether it was a Trump one or a Kim Jong-un one or something like that. And I was like, what in the fuck is this? So that's actually a pretty recent one because that was only like two, three years ago.

Yeah, that's when I found out about you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, a while back for me. Sure, sure, sure. Not a while back for me. Sure, sure, sure. Not a while back for you. Yeah, and so like those kind of like sort of more political ones and sort of like ones that are like commentating on stuff have been sort of recent. But honestly, they weren't really like possible like when I started. Like there wasn't all these like model libraries where you could just super quickly like grab Kanye.

Well, or just have models because it's sort of like I didn't make the Trump face model. I just got it and I can use it for whatever. How much did the Trump face model cost? That I think actually I got from a buddy. I think that was from a friend actually. What is that phone call like? Hey, man.

No, he's like a guy. Trump with nipples that shoot out laser beams. Oh, maybe it was that one. I don't know. Actually, no, I think it is that one. How much, Jamie? $84. Oh, that's expensive.

Well, they know you need it. That's why. Yeah, so this is the site where you can just kind of download all these things. So those are full sort of like you could download that entire set. And so you have that entire scene. Oh, okay. Right there for 100 bucks and so it's sort of like these things are are relatively very very very cheap for how long it would take to like make that from scratch very very cheap i was listening to some old uh rap music some 90s rap yesterday, and I was thinking, like, God, so many guys use Trump in rap songs

in a positive way in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Guys were calling themselves the Black Trump. Like, they're talking, I'm rich like Trump, you know, holding cash like Trump. You think he's going to run? You think he's going to run? A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. Did you catch the Nancy Reagan stuff over the weekend? No nancy reagan stuff neither no what is that uh someone put up a picture of uh like comparing nancy reagan actually it's ben shapiro's sister i think uh oh boy nancy reagan to madonna at age like 63 or 64 and then someone commented below that hey nancy reagan is known historically in hollywood as being like very good at uh blowjobs what yeah what yeah but but what what history what does that mean i can pull that out but jamie vernon is known historically for being very good at blowjobs and people like jamie it was in a book that someone wrote, like a historical book,

and there's a bunch of guys that talked about it. As soon as a historical book starts mentioning old ladies sucking dicks, I get skeptical. I just saw she was trending on Twitter. I was like, why is Nancy Reagan trending for two days? And I started digging through it. I was like, holy, it's become like an internet meme now. That's why I'm off Twitter.

Show me this image that compares Nancy Reagan to Madonna at the same age. The thing about Madonna is you never really know what she looks like because every picture is so heavily filtered. If you didn't know anybody, you'd think she's 30 years old. We're actually working on a thing. See, here's even Ben Shapiro's sister tried to slut shame Madonna by comparing her to Nancy Reagan, and it backfired. Oh, God.

Who wrote this? Oh, the Daily this? Oh, the daily dot. Oh, you silly people. But that's the tweet. Oh, didn't fucking,

she got mad at 50 cent. I saw that because 50 cent was making fun of her for being in her underwear in some Instagram posts. Um, but where is this comparison? The, Oh, that was the picture right there. That was it. Oh, right there? Yeah, she's 63 in that picture.

Nancy Reagan is 64 in that picture. See, look at it. That's what I'm saying. That might as well be a beeple. That's not really her. She's got one titty hanging out. Dude, we are working on something. I am working on something with Madonna.

But look at that image. Make that larger if you can. Because, like, what is that? That's not even a picture. That's a cartoon. What do you mean? I mean, she's got... It's Photoshopped for sure.

For sure. She's got one titty out, right? And she's got a heart over the nipple. What do you mean? What do you think is Photoshopped? I don't think it's that Photoshopped. What are you talking about? Look at her face. Dude, I know Photoshop shit. I don't think it's... photoshopped. What are you talking about? Look at her face. Dude, I know

photoshopped shit. I don't think it's... Okay, you don't think that that's... Maybe a little bit. Listen to me. You don't think that's filter? There's some filter, but I don't think it's that much. What? Are you crazy? A little, maybe. No human skin looks like that, bro. A little on the face maybe, man. A lot on the face. What are you, a

secret Madonna fan? We found a Madonna apologist here. This man is a Madonna apologist. By the way, I was a secret madonna fan we found a madonna apologist here this man is a madonna apologist by the way i was a giant madonna fan as a young boy look at those shoes she never wore them a day in her life go back try running in those shoes lady they'll fall flat on your fucking ass look how slippery the bottoms of those things are that is a feat imagine her trying to run on wet grass with those things on good luck preposterous. But it's still like when you're 63 years old and you're doing that.

And Nancy Reagan is with her whole grandchildren and shit. Let's see the picture of her. I don't know which one I'd rather hang out with. I think Madonna. She probably has a lot of cool gay friends and is probably a cool underground place she could take you to with great music and good hors d'oeuvres. She's got that. She's got a place to go to.

Good martinis. Yeah, she knows people. There's her there. Okay, so that is odd. That picture's odd. But you know, she's always been odd. She's just odd in her 60s now. Yeah, the thing we're working on, I will say, it goes pretty hard.

It will be interesting. When have you ever done one that doesn't go hard? It goes pretty hard. We'll see people's reaction to it. So when did you first start doing the animations? So I've been doing animations for like a very long time, but they looked very, very different like 20 years ago. Like they were very simple and like the tools were it was not 3d it was like sort of like very synced

audio and video um and so slowly i've sort of like the tools have gotten much more sophisticated that like the things you could do now were like you know hollywood like full effects like you know 15 years ago yeah that it's like okay that, that shot would have cost like, you know, $15 million. Now you can do it for $1,000. Yeah, there's all sorts of like fan-created videos online now. They're fucking good too, dude. Amazing. They're fucking insane.

Amazing. They're fucking insane. Well, the special effects that you can do with a regular computer now are just off the charts. The fucking phone now, dude. Yeah. Like the fucking phone's fucking crazy like it's just it's it's getting the tools are like getting cheaper and cheaper and there's so much information out there too to like yeah like sort of you know let people get really really quickly

assimilated into a technology and then they share their information and it's just like multiplying like so fast how these things sort of like, you know. It's very exciting. Yeah, it really is. It's definitely. The, just the cameras on these phones make you, digital cameras, like a small digital camera. Jamie's a real photography nut and so he uses like, he still uses a real camera camera.

But for regular photos, it's totally unnecessary now. They're insane. They're so good. I have a, I have an iPhone that I use. I carry two phones. And I have a Galaxy S21 Ultra. And you can take a photo of the fucking moon with this thing. Have you seen that?

No, no. Dude, it's incredible. It has some sort of AI fuckery is involved in it. But it's also that it has some insane digital zoom where you hold the galaxy towards the moon, and it recognizes that you're looking at the moon. So it frames it up in a small square, and then you spread it apart and zoom, and you can get these high-resolution, beautiful images of the surface of the fucking moon. That's crazy.

And they specifically programmed it for the moon. Yes, it's called Moonshot. It's a mode. That's crazy. And they specifically programmed it for the moon. Yes, it's called Moonshot. It's a mode. That's crazy. The Galaxy cameras are like... iPhone cameras are fucking incredible. No doubt. But the Galaxy cameras have way more adjustability. If you're into fucking

around with the stuff, there's way more features. There's way more different modes and things you can do. I think they're starting to unlock it a little more with the iPhonehone now it's sort of like raw and shooting yeah like that i took that photo that's crazy for the phone man i mean how wild is that that is i took that with a phone it's definitely it's just and that's the thing we haven't even had these phones that long i know the phones every year they get like a phone know, 16 years. Like that's not that long. Yeah.

And the real phones, like in terms of like smartphones is 2007. Yeah. That's when it started. Yeah. That's true. I mean, that's really like until it's really, you know. Yeah. Got real.

So really 14 years. Yeah. It's wild, man. And they keep getting fucking better. Every year they get better. The battery life on them is insane now. Yeah. It's just. They charge super fast now. Yeah. It's just...

They charge super fast. Super fast. It's just like in an hour, boom, smash up. Do you remember when those Samsung phones were making people's houses burn to the ground? Wow. Sponsored by Samsung. When I say good things, I say bad things. I'm not sponsored by anybody.

But you remember they had the Note? I think it was the Note 7. Yeah, it was blowing up a bit. I was blowing up. That one got away from me. I remember there was one guy left it in his car, his truck, and he came out to his truck on fire in his driveway, and he was filming it with someone else's phone, I guess.

Didn't they specifically say on airplanes, like, if you have a Note? Oh, yeah, they would basically tell you. No, no, no, you had to take the battery out. You had to take the battery out. You either couldn't travel with it, or you had to take the battery out you had to take the battery out you either couldn't travel with it or you had to take the battery oh yeah if you had a freaking you know note 12 you were basically on the freaking no fly list note seven note seven note seven i don't think they're at note 12 no they would freaking that was not your thing you were not going yeah well you know you got to break a few eggs if you want to make an omelet sometimes you burn

a plane down. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. How many actual, yeah, I mean, how many actual sort of, like, incidents happened? Let's find out. Jamie, Google, how many houses burnt to the ground because of Samsung Galaxy Note 7? It was really the battery.

You know, there was, well, there was also they were doing super charge, super fast charging, like way early on. Oh, they were trying to do it faster than they could actually do it. Well, iPhones are pretty conservative in that regard. I think the iPhone's USB-C charger, I think it works at, I think it's 20 watts, where some of them are like 85. 20, 25. Oh, I don't know. I think some of them are like 20 25 oh i think some of them are like 80 there's some like chinese ones that are like super fast some like how do you say it xiaomi you say xiaomi oh yeah yeah i know what you're talking about i don't know how to say it yeah no some of those current cameras

are crazy too they've got like 2000 megapixel cameras and like crazy stuff it doesn't necessarily translate to better images. So, like, the iPhones, it's about, like, image quality. Yeah, AI. Like, you don't necessarily need the most pixels. Like, the amount of pixels that most of them have now is pretty fucking crazy, megapixels. Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, in the future, there'll be, like, 1,000 megapixels.

You'll be able to zoom way in. So you'll basically, in effect, be able to see very far. Like that's basically what you have with the moon thing. It's basically almost acting like a telescope. Right. And so that's the thing in the future. If this keeps going at higher and higher resolution, you'll basically be able to see insanely far with these things. Right.

That it's basic, like, you know, 20 years from now. I don't even think it's going to be that long ago. Maybe not. Not long from now. I don't even think it's going to be that long ago. Maybe not. Not long from now. Because if you look at, like, what you're seeing now with that Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra, which is what I used to take that moon photo, that wasn't available two years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's brand new, that camera.

Yeah. So that ability is pretty fucking recent. Here's why Samsung Galaxy... 112 times... Okay, that was actually way worse than I thought. It said, when the Galaxy Note 7 was recalled by Samsung in 2016, only about 100 of the 2.5 million units shipped worldwide were reported to have exploded. Is this article?

It says, is that skill? Go back, please. Hold on. I'm still reading. It says, that's still scarier than zero. Okay. Come on. But if you're concerned about ruining your your phone there are more common issues to worry about ruining my phone concerned about dying the fuck are you talking about go to that other one that you were just

concerned for that phone incidents but it said 100 maybe this was in the early days what year was this where with this go back to that. Same article. Oh, the same article? Yeah. So why does it say 100? I don't know. I was trying to find that out. It says it caught fire as many as 112 times.

It says it right there. Right, but it says after 35 incidences is when they started the recall. And then I was trying to read through here where the recall was. Oh, so after 35 instances of them catching fire, they started the recall, but ultimately it was like 112 people. Oh, geez. Wait, that's what it looks like? Oh, my God. Yeah, look at that.

That's wild, dude. Oh, my God. I don't think I've ever seen a video of it. Holy shit. That's what it looks like? Yeah, go back to that. That's not real. It's not the same phone, I don't think.

But that's what it looks like when it catches fire? Oh, phone, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy fuck. I don't think I've ever actually seen a video of it. That's fucking crazy as shit. And that's just sitting looks like when it catches fire? I'll phone you, yeah, yeah. Holy fuck. I don't think I've ever actually seen a video of it. That's fucking crazy as shit. And that's just sitting on someone's desk. That's not even plugged in. Oh, my God.

That would be fucking terrifying. Terrifying. That would be fucking terrifying. Terrifying. I don't know if it's just going to fucking explode. What the fuck? Right. Like, what do you do?

I would just get the fuck away from it. I'd run the fuck away. What the fuck are you going to do? The interesting thing on this, the final update. Maybe try and kick it away or like. What do you do? Samsung blamed the battery as of 2017. This is like an old article.

Well, no, it was a battery. Yeah, but it's a fucking battery in their phone. I mean, come on, guy. It's not us. It's a battery in your fucking phone. They've officially explained what went wrong and identified them as cause of the burning phones they they got much more conservative after that they got much more conservative with their charging speeds and stuff yeah it's definitely crazy anyway the technology

about just getting back to what we're talking about the technology is getting to the point where you're going to be able to do like a full-length feature movie on your phone easily and it's gonna I mean look they already have portrait mode on iPhones where you, you know, you, it looks like a film. Yeah. Like you would be in focus, but what's behind you would be kind of blurry. Yep. And I think they can do that with some phones with video.

Yeah, they can do that on the iPhone. It does? Portrait? Yeah. It does like the like depth of field with. That's crazy. It makes it look like a movie. Yeah.

Yeah. It's definitely insane. And there already have been like, there's been films in like Sundance that have been That's crazy. It makes it look like a movie. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely insane. And there already have been, like, there's been films in, like, Sundance that have been entirely shot on iPhones even a couple years ago. Isn't it wild that we want the background to be blurry? Like, that's a feature? Well, it kind of, like, it brings the focus. No, I understand. I understand.

But it's, like, if you see something shot on video, one of the things that makes it look cheap is that you can see everything. Yeah. Which is odd. It is odd that it's sort of like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know why that sort of like makes it look more sort of like filmic, having less. I guess it's just more control over the information. Well, we're also accustomed to it. Like if you go to the movies, the film is always like you would be in focus and what's behind you would be blurry.

Yeah, yeah. And when the focus changes, it's because you're supposed to look at what's behind you, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm not an actor like you. I'm not an actor. I'm going to have acted. I've done some acting. I've played basketball.

I'm not a basketball player. What's the last time you were in a full movie or something like that? Has it been a long time? Yeah, here comes the boom. A long time ago. Just like more than 10 years. Would you ever do it again? No, I'm done.

I'm done. Totally done. I've passed on some good ones. You never just even like a small role in something? No, no, no. Kevin Smith offered me a nice role. I can't. I don't want to do it anymore.

I don't like it. Just don't like it. It's too can't. I don't want to do it anymore. I don't like it. Just don't like it. It's too time consuming. I don't have the time. Financially, it's not viable. But then there's also the actor factor. The actor factor is big. What do you mean?

Hanging out with actors. Don't like them. It's exhausting. Don't like them. Not so much. Well, I like a lot of them. I like like 20% of them. Okay.

But the other ones are fucking exhausting. They're just so full of shit and they're so scared of everything. Scared of what? Well, they're afraid. Their whole existence is about getting cast in things. So they have to constantly be like saying the right things and following the right progressive ideology and espousing it whenever possible to let everybody know that you're on the right team because you're worried about being cast in things.

So this is what's absolutely wrong with Los Angeles. The entire city, whether they admit it or not, the main focus of the city is Hollywood. The main focus is films and television and if you don't think that's the case They'll they'll shut down giant chunks of Hollywood Boulevard to film a shitty movie sure they do it all the time And you're like what the fuck is this like why how come they get to do this and I'm in traffic because this fucking terrible movie That would be actually super annoying. It's super annoying. It doesn't happen all the time, but it's annoying enough that it happens. But that's one part of the problem. The problem is you take people that are mostly fucked up and insecure.

That's why they want to be actors in the first place. Okay. They need this exorbitant amount of attention, right? And so then you put them in this system where you have to apply for things, right? You have to try to get cast in things. You don't just get cast in a movie. You don't like, unless you're Leonardo DiCaprio or someone huge. So you have to audition.

So you go into a room and you want everybody to like you, first of all. And then after everybody likes you, then you have to perform for these people that like you. Oh, they brought in the whiskey. No, Jesus fucking Christ. It's time to get fucked up. Okay, God damn it. Listen, people. It's time to get fucked up. Okay, God damn it. Listen, people.

It's time to throw down. I had some really old whiskey when I was in Vegas this weekend. And I was like, this stuff is fucking incredible. How old is that one? They're both 18 years old? McCallum. This sounds like the right stuff. Oh, sweet baby Jesus.

What are you worried about? We're just going gonna have one glass they um yeah no i i think uh you know what i'm saying though it's like so the whole business is based on getting people to like you how many auditions did you go on like a few how many did would you say total in your like lifetime just oh i don't know i don't know well i got a hundred nah not that many. I got really, really fortunate in that when I first started out. Where's my knife?

I got to hear this. I got really, really fortunate in that when I first started out, and this is the craziest story. It's true, I swear to God, even though it sounds nuts. The first two things I ever auditioned for I got. Really? Yeah. Yeah, the first two things I ever auditioned for I got. It? Yeah. The first two things I ever auditioned for I got.

It doesn't make any sense. It's so ridiculous. So you got a part and then you did another one and then you got a part in the other one. Wait, were they big like commercials or what were they for? News radio and Fear Factor. Okay, those were like those were the first two fucking things. The first one that I got I didn't even

audition for. That was a show called Hardball. You didn't do anything before those? No. Are you serious? No. Dude, I didn't even audition for. That was a show called Hardball. You didn't do anything before those? No. Are you serious? No. Dude, I didn't even want to act. That's the crazy thing. Like, that was the best part about it.

You did nothing before news radio. I did a show called Hardball. And I didn't really audition for that because I had a development deal with Disney. So I had to- How did you get that? I just, they just cast me. Oh, just from like seeing stand-up? I had a development deal.

A develop- Yeah. Oh, okay. It's from stand- up. I had a development deal. And so I did that. And how long had you been doing stand up before that happened? Not that long. I did not pay my dues. I did it like six years, which is not long. That's not that long. For stand ups, that's not that long. I mean, you're not really a stand-up until you're 10 years in. You know, but what it's like is like operating on people's hearts when you're just, you know, out of a four-year college. Like, you don't do that. How old were you?

If you want to be a heart surgeon. How old were you when you got that news radio? In my 20s. Like 26, 27 maybe. That's crazy. I haven't seen this before. You haven't seen what? This promo for Hardball.

Oh, yeah. It hasn't been on YouTube. What was Hardball? That was a sitcom that I was in in my 20s. That's me. Look at me. That's crazy, dude. Oh, so cute.

A little sweetie. Back in the day. Where was that shot? Out here in Hollywood. So that was the first thing that I ever did as far as acting goes. Oh, my goodness. Cheers, sir. Thank you, sir.

My point is I got very lucky. What do we got here? Delicious. Oh my god. It's great. Oh my lord. Come on, bro. Settle in. So the point

is, that system is crazy. And I got very fortunate that I didn't really have to be a part of that system. I snuck in. I snuck in with this hardball show. And because of the hardball show, they let me audition for news radio. I got news radio. And then Fear Factor was right after that. I think maybe I auditioned for, like, a thing or two in between that I didn't get. That's crazy. How long did you do Fear Factor was right after that. I think maybe I auditioned for like a thing or two in between that I didn't get.

That's crazy. How long did you do Fear Factor for? Six years. Yeah. And then when I was done with that. It was six years, five, six years? Five years. So I was like, I'm out.

I'm out. Totally done. I'm out of TV. Yeah, it's like, it's too much. It's not necessarily the best thing to do for standups because it's good in that people get to see you and that you, you develop an audience, but it's not good in that you become part of that system where you have to,

you have to say what you have to be very liberal. And then I am very liberal. Sure, sure, sure. But you have to be like, there's a bunch of things that you have to set. Sure.

Like, you know, you want trans women competing because they're regular women. You want them competing against women in sports. You have to say that. Even if it doesn't make any sense. You know, even if you're like, but what about that? You pen swimmer who's like 38 seconds faster than all the other women. Shut up. Don't be a bigot.

Like, that kind of thinking is what happens in hollywood and it's not because they really think that way it's because they're terrified that they step outside the lines and they'll be you know oh he's another scott baio or something you know even chris pratt gets in trouble because he's christian i saw that he was the worst chris for a while he's the nicest fucking guy I've ever met in my life. I mean, I've met people equally nice. What were people? I don't honestly, I just saw something where it was just like worse Chris or something.

I don't give a fuck what they, what their thing is. They're all insane people that hate their jobs that are sitting in front of the cubicle when their boss isn't looking, they're tweeting bad things about Chris Pratt. It's definitely interesting to like how the the power of people, though, that can kind of blow up something that's sort of like you know, just maybe not that big of a deal, and it becomes a big deal because... That's a nice way to put it. What it is is a bully pile-on. That's what it is. You see

someone being vulnerable, and you can snipe at them, and you don't have any repercussions, and they're not in front of you, so you attack the guy. He hasn't done nothing. I honestly have no idea what the thing is. The people are even like, I don't know anything about it. Chris Pat is one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. He's genuinely friendly.

I've been in hunting camp with him. He's nice to everybody, to the ladies that work in the kitchen. Where were you guys hunting? Elk. Where? In Utah. That's crazy. So you just went to camp for a couple weeks? We were there for a week. Yeah, for a Utah. That's crazy. So you just went to camp for a couple weeks?

We were there for a week. Yeah, for a week. That's interesting. Did you get an elk? Yes, I did. That's interesting. And he did too. But my point is, I've seen him interact with people.

Sure. He sits at these cafeteria-style tables with everybody, with people from all walks of life. He's super normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've been around him multiple times like that he's a super kind super normal guy it'll be interesting it's fun too he's a fun guy to be around i'm excited to see that mario movie did you see that no the mario he's like the i'm pretty sure he's the voice of mario oh the voice like i thought you were saying like he going to be a live-action Mario. No, no, I'm pretty sure it's all animated.

He's, you know, what else has he done other than the Guardians of the Galaxy? He's got something else. Oh, he's in that. Jurassic Park thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's in the new Jack Carr series that they're doing for Amazon. Do you know what that is? Jack Carr, he's got these amazing books about this character James Reese,

this Navy SEAL James Reese, a really great thriller, action book. Like a Tom Clancy type. Yeah, very similar. Like a Jack Reacher type thing. Okay. But this guy, James Reese, is his primary character and he's being played by Christopher.

That's for Amazon or something like that. Anyway, the point is he's one of the rare guys that's like, he's kind of outside of the lines in terms of his ideology. He's a Christian. Oh, sure. And pretty open about it. And because of that, they attack him. It's something so simple. Like he just believes in Jesus and he likes to be a good person.

Sure, sure, sure. And you're like, fuck him. It's definitely – it's an interesting time and I think it's – I don't know. I think it's just going to keep getting weirder and weirder as these sort of like technologies and like people – you're like mixing like massive populations with this technologies in ways where we don't even understand like what the fuck we're doing you're also mixing people that are shut-ins that don't have good social interactions and the virus now they've been inside for a year they don't have to be like vetted out in terms of like if you're working with people right on a daily and there's one guy's annoying as fuck. Like, you just avoid him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this guy's annoying. And then he can't get hired because he's annoying. Yeah. But if that guy's online, that guy interacts with everybody all day long. And there's so many accounts where you go and look at their Twitter page and you realize, like, this is a mentally ill person. Or it's just a fucking bot. It's just a troll or it's some bot or it's some, like, bullshit like that. Or, yeah, it's just somebody who's, like.

There's more mentally ill people, but there are a lot of bots for sure and i think there's a lot of people who just feel shitty and they're like having a bad day and they just fucking go online and like go fuck you and like they just put a shitty comment because they're having a shitty day and so it's sort of like but that's where i don't like i kind of look at that shit and it's sort of like when you do something that says way more about you and what's going on in your life. Yeah, for sure. That has nothing to do with me. If you could just go on and are being a dick and just trying to spread shittiness, I don't know. And I think if people looked at it that way, they wouldn't be so affected by it.

That it's sort of like, feel sorry for those people because it's like, that person's not in a good place. If you're literally getting up and like, you're not having a great're not having a great day, you're not having an awesome day. It goes without saying. Yeah. These are not healthy people. If you go and look at – if you're a person that's just spreading venom, emotional venom and poison all day long, that's all you're doing. There's things in life that should annoy you. There's things in life that should piss you off.

But not all things. Like if that's what you're really, your concentration is entirely on negative things, it says more about you. If this is what your jam is, your jam is going online and shitting on things and being mean to people, I got to think most likely something's fucked up with you. Yeah, no, you're not living a great life. And like those people are not like they're they're hurting themselves and so that's why they're like spreading that stuff and i think sometimes people are quick to sort of like not recognize that and sort of like take offense to it and it's sort of like it's hard to do it is hard it is i will say it's very hard when you see it because it's directed

at you yeah it makes it seem like it's about you when it's like okay that's really not about you like that's about that person is in a shitty place mentally and right they're spreading that it's just hard for someone to recognize when you're the receiving end of it 100 that's easier said than done when you see something especially if it cuts in and it's like oh that's true and they say something about you're like god damn it that is something that like you know i could work on or i could change well that's the good aspect of it. You just can't. It's like a little bit of snake venom.

Yes. Like a little bit of snake venom is probably good for you. He knows it. Yes. That's what I always say, that it's sort of like getting a little bit of that kind of, like, negative sort of, like, I don't know. I'm going to have to stop you from saying like. Like. You're saying a few too many likes for my taste.

Have you noticed, Jamie? It's a bit of an issue. I'm not as accomplished speaking. I'm definitely. You don't have to be. Your art's awesome. It's this. I'm fucking all.

Oh, you have one, half a baby sip of this McCallum 18-year-old scotch. Are you drinking this entire thing? Yeah, I'm drinking this entire thing. I would literally be like freaking on the ground. I'm going to take one actual drink. Let me hear it. You're fine. I am – oh, my God.

I enjoy alcohol. I think it's good for you. It's not good for your body, but I think it's good for you overall. I think there's a net positive effect. How often do you – I just take IV vitamin drips and I do a a lot to, like, recover, you know? From the, like, oh, from, like, drinking? Yeah.

I mean, I don't drink a lot. Sure, sure, sure. But I drink a little often. What's in the bag, bro? What's in the bag? This? No, the bag. What's in the bag?

This? This is, so this is what I wanted to bring you. Is it a towel? No, that is a It says medium adult anus A 3.5 inch Fully dilated regular butthole That's what it really says

I'm not making this up That is a pair of underwear To sort of put on Before the box The contents of this box are entirely visually pleasing and have been known to cause a loss of normal bowel function. Adult onset pants shitting. Please make sure this disposable underwear is properly fastened

prior to opening the box for the first time bro what the fuck is wrong with you i'm gonna shit myself and uh i don't understand how this says medium adult anus is this just underwear it's underwear it's like why does it say medium adult anus you know your anus is just like a small that's not. I was just assuming you were a medium. Are you not medium? I don't know. I have a big ass. I don't think I fit in these.

Bro, you want to try to kill my balls? These are so small. It's cute, though. So those are the underwear that you are supposed to put on before opening the box. I'll let you open the box. I'm nervous now. I got i gotta say that's a first it says people spring summer collection 2021 to oh okay i should open this like this can you uh get it with that camera maybe i'm going over top okay

Can you get it with that camera maybe? Yeah, I'm doing over top. Okay. Whoa. So this is wild. Is this an NFT? So this is from the spring collection that I released this year. And so, yeah, this is the sort of like physical and an NFT sort of like goes with it. Is that Elon Musk as a Hulk?

Dig a Chad, yeah. Oh, that's hilarious with a little um that dogecoin yeah the dogecoin dog wow yeah so this is sort of like um something that we built in our sort of like studio this last year and you sort of like that comes out that'd be better yeah you can still kind of see it pretty much as it is. So then it, like, comes out, and you can, like, kind of, like, put that on the, like, put the... You hear all the lights coming out of your mouth? Put the... What the fuck's it called now?

Replace it with uh. Uh. Put the, uh, screen on the, like, stand there, and the stand lights up. And so this is just the box. It's the light box? This is just the box. Jesus Christ, that's an amazing visual. Yeah, no, it definitely.

Elon's going to see this and hit the gym. He's going to be like, oh. I gave one to Kimball and him. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I met him in Basel last week. Oh, no shit. No, no, it's definitely it's been a crazy year. This is super cool. And what is this thing

on this side of it? What is that? So that's the base. That's the like the base that you put the screen on. Oh, so you pull this out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You pull both of them out. Oh. And so you pull that out too.

And this sets on that? Oh. Yeah. And so there's cords behind that. Dude, this is so dope. And then it like lights it. So if you pull out that cord bag too. So then this too.

There's like a... Pull that out. Pull this. That's a hair sample. That's a hair sample? Yeah. From who? From me.

You have a hair sample? There's a hair sample in there. It's a little bio. What are you supposed to do with the hair sample? Yeah. From who? From me. You have a hair sample? There's a hair sample in there. It's a little bio. What are you supposed to do with the hair sample? So it goes on the base there. On the base. Where? On the other side.

That's where it plugs in. It plugs into the base. Here, do you want me to grab it real quick? Is it plugging back here? So it kind of, this goes like this. Okay. And then this goes on that. And then it, like, plugs in on the, like, back here.

Okay. Take these cords and, like, here. And when it plugs in, it just lights up? Is that the idea? Okay. Okay. For folks listening, what we have here is a – well, it's interesting. It looks like a glass or some sort of plexiglass.

Yeah, some sort of a plastic – like a mini iPad that has this beautiful image of a jacked Elon Musk in his underwear. All right. jacked Elon Musk in his underwear. I think it's probably more effort than it's worth to plug this in while we're doing the show. Good? All right, perfect. Ta-da. And what is this little cord here?

This one, this extra one. That just plugs into the back of the, like, screen there. Oh, okay. And what does that do? It just powers the screen. The screen has a battery, but then over time, over a couple hours. So there. There you go.

There we go. Oh, and now it's black and white somehow. It's going through a loop showing the image and how the image was made and a little bit of the like kind of behind the scenes pretty dope and what is this uh q code so that goes to like my site and you can kind of see the other people who own this so this is on the back you can see see how it's signed it says 60 out of 100 so there's only 100 of these that exist and so you've got the like number 61 and like who's got number 69 i'm not sure who has number 69 but somebody bought number 69 because they you know wanted to have that one yeah but

that's very dope yeah thank you very much that's super cool yeah so this is sort of like one of like a few different like pieces that were released in like spring you know and this was like one of the everydays that sort of like day. Okay, cool. Well, thank you very much. That's awesome. I appreciate that. Very dope. I'll put that right there.

I don't know if we can keep it on the desk because it's quite, it needs a lot of attention. It does. It's definitely, it's something that definitely. I'll have a spot for it. Sort of like draws you in, but it can be, it can be a lot. It can be a lot. I think it should be right in front of you, Jamie. Like right there.

Like it sat right there. That's not too bad. I have plugs for it. That would work, right? Let me do it. Yeah. We'll keep it here for now, but then after the show. It's a big thing. It's pretty dope. Thank you very much. Very cool. Yeah, I appreciate it. So how long do you think you're going to keep doing this? Is this...

Probably the rest of my life. Really? Every day? One a day? We've got to see it through at every day one a day we gotta see it through at this point wow through at this point i mean see it through to the end on your on your deathbed hold on before before you put me in the suicide pod have you seen those suicide pods they have now that you ever seen that suicide pod yeah there's a Yeah, I think some European country has developed an actual suicide pod. And you climb into this thing when you want to end your life. And it's designed to peacefully send you into the next realm. Jesus.

And what does it do? I'm not sure. I just saw the headline. I didn't read into it. That's it right there. It looks dope though, doesn't it? Maker of Suicide Pod plans to launch in Switzerland. That's fucking disturbing.

It is, but, I mean, what do you want to do? Live forever? No, no. I mean, it definitely... If you're 95 years old and you're dying of cancer, isn't that a way to go? It's definitely a way to go, I will say that. If there's the time when you need to get into the pod, you probably know when it's

time. Look at that. Scroll down, please. Look at that. Assisted suicide where somebody is given the means to end their own life is legal in Switzerland. About 1,300 people died there that way in 2020. Listen, I don't think there's anything wrong with suicide at the end of life.

The idea that people are supposed to suffer but your dog isn't. My dog Johnny Cash, I miss him terribly and I love him to death. He was 13, which is 14, was very old for a mastiff. And he couldn't walk.

And it was the saddest shit ever. I had to carry him. How long ago was this? He's been dead for two or three years i think almost three years um i had to carry him outside so in the morning um he would be in his little there was like a mud room where his food was, and he would generally, he would sleep there because his dog bed was there. And in the morning, I'd have to carry him. And he was a big-ass fucking dog.

I was the only one who could carry him. He was like 140 pounds, and I'd have to walk with him outside and then set him down in the grass. 140 pounds? Jesus fucking Christ, that is massive. And he was a mastiff. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, okay. And so then he would struggle to go to the bathroom

because his hips wouldn't hold him. How long did you guys have him? 14 years. Jesus. Yeah, that's old for a mastiff. That is crazy. Little dogs can live a long time. How long did you have to do carrying him like that?

I did it for a while. Like years? No, no, no. Six months. It was several months, no it was it was like it was several months and it was just it was it was one of those things where i was like i i didn't want to do it but i knew he had i didn't want to just go out there and watch him suffering like moaning and dying slowly yeah yeah yeah he was for the kids like He couldn't see anymore. He had cataracts. So his eyes had gotten gray and glossed.

It was rough. That's crazy. The only thing that helped the kids is that we had Marshall at the same time, who was our dog that we have now. He was young. So they could still play with Marshall. What kind of dog is that? He's a golden retriever. Golden retriever retriever yeah how old is that dog now he's five he just turned five he had a birthday the other day so the kids like the dogs and do they like care for the dogs like

because that's the thing like i don't want to fucking pick up poop like i'm not fucking picking up poop do you pick up the dog's poop i have for for sure. I hire people to do it now. My kids are fucking old enough. It's like, I don't want to fucking pick up poop. I just don't want to pick up poop of another thing. Well, you know, there's worse things in this world, bro. That's true.

Like a couple times a day. That's true. It's a minute out of your day. And you're like, I can't. I don't have the time. I'm busy making digital art. I'm making non-fungible tokens. It's not busy. It's just, I can't. I don't have the time. I'm busy making digital art. I'm making non-fungible tokens. It's not busy.

It's just, I don't know. It smells. Do you have a dog? I'm like, everybody has a dog. I'm definitely recognized. I'm the only person on earth who doesn't have a dog. But if that's the thing that's holding you back, you made $100 million this year, bro. Hire someone to clean your poop. People need jobs. You contribute to the economy. That's true.

Someone comes over. If you have a decent sized yard, it no big deal it's true that's fair yeah it's not that bad yeah i don't know we didn't grow up with a dog did you grow up with a dog oh yeah yeah see like my wife and i neither of us grew up with a dog like it's definitely like it's a lot of work it's a lot of work to the outside to somebody who did not grow up with a dog it's like kids are my kids are five and eight now so it's like kids are, my kids are five and eight now. So it's sort of like. Yeah, but if you had a puppy, oh my God, they would love it.

Oh God, don't. You're killing me here, dude. You're killing me here. Do you have a yard? Good size yard? No, it's very small. Where do you live? Very, in Charleston.

Very, very small. North Carolina? South Carolina. South Carolina. Yeah. Oh, well, if you have a small yard, you have kind of a, you're off the hook because, you know, you really need a yard. It's pretty small.

Like I have a buddy who has a couple dogs and he has a very small yard and so he's got to walk his dogs to go shit and then he has to pick it up in a bag. And I'm like, that's a bummer. Then he's got to carry it back. He can't just let his dogs out and then they run around the yard and have fun.

He can't throw the ball in his yard. Dogs need some space. They need some space. And if you don't have space, you've got to take them places. Well, then you kind of feel bad, too, that it's sort of like, what am I doing? I've got this big dog, and I've got this tiny area that I'm sort of keeping it in. That's not a thing. But I could see getting a small dog at some point.

Yeah. Maybe I need to take the dive here. Yeah, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. It's definitely, I don't know. It's just I feel like it's another thing that I don't know. The kids for me are enough, I feel like. Oh, it's a lot of work. Yeah.

No, it's definitely a lot of work. Dogs are a lot of work, and they chew things up, and sometimes one of my dogs chewed through an electrical cord once and almost died. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, they'll chew through the cords and get electrocuted. What was the cord to?

It just doesn't matter. They just bite things. They're dogs. They don't know what the fuck electricity is. I barely do. That's fair. That's fair. I don't know, man.

I love dogs. If I live without a dog, I would feel weird. Do you take them on the, like, hunting trips and stuff like that? No, know, man. I love dogs. If I live without a dog, I would feel weird. Do you take them on the hunting trips and stuff like that? No, no, no. My dog now, he is, like I said, he's a golden retriever. And they are bird hunting dogs. They're really good for that. They love to retrieve things.

They love to bring things back. Sure. And they were sort of bred to retrieve and retrieve when they hunt. Yeah. You shoot a bird and the bird falls out of the sky and the dog brings it back to hunt. Yeah. You know, you shoot a bird and the bird falls out of the sky and the dog brings it back to you. Yeah, all my friends back in Wisconsin like hunt. Like pretty much I'm the only person who's like, okay,

fucking weirdo digital freaking art goon. Like everybody else hunts like 100%. Well, there's nothing wrong with being a digital art goon. You're contributing to society. It's amazing work. But it's not a bad thing also to do different stuff, to do other things as well. I'm not very well-rounded.

I'm not... I don't have many other interests outside this stuff. Does it bother you that you're not well-rounded? No. Then it's fine. Yeah, it's definitely one of these things where I like... Sometimes I feel sort of like I wish I had more things that I was interested in. You've got i feel sort of like i wish i had more things that i was interested

in like you've got like all the like sort of working out and kind of like it seems like you have a lot of interests i wish i had less things i'm interested in i really do i would like to have i would like to have multiple versions of me that can run several different lives simultaneously because i've often thought like if i decided if I went out of if I had a moment where I could say all right this is what I'm going to do and only this how much further could I get in that and there's something about one solitary pursuit where there's there's some sort of benefit in focusing all your attention. Like, look how far you've gotten with your digital art.

I do multiple things simultaneously. The only thing that helps me is that these things definitely feed off of each other. Yeah. Like, the podcast and stand-up work together. 100%. They have synchronicity. They work together. They have synchronicity.

They work together. And then the UFC, it benefits for me doing the podcast and benefits for me doing stand-up because when I talk in front of millions of people live, like during the broadcast, I'm not nervous. I'm so accustomed to talking. You seem totally fine. It's no different than talking right now, which is no different than me talking. Like we were talking before, right? Before the show, when I first met you, it's the same as now. It's because I than like talking right now, which is no different than me talking. Like we were talking before, right? Before the show when I first met you, it's the same as now. It's because I do it so often.

So they work together. But I'd also – I have a deep fascination with so many different things. Sure. I have like multiple things that I'm really interested in that I'd like to pursue all day long. You seem like you're very curious about a lot of different things. But I think, yeah, like you said, all these things sort of like feed into each other together. That it's sort of like the same demographic of a lot of these things. Fortunately.

Or similar demographics that sort of like are all kind of like interested in these, you know, various different things. But if you were going to focus on one thing, what would that thing be? Or is it just too hard to like sort of like pick one? Other than the things that i already do yeah is there one of those things that you're most sort of like excited about or they're all kind of like equally sort of like interesting to you like you have so many things going i wonder how you sort of like decide to sort of like spend your time well there's obligations like i have obligations with stand up to perform on a regular basis because if you don't you get out of shape and then write on a regular basis because if you don't, you get out of shape, and then write on a regular basis

because if you don't, your act gets stale. So there's obligations to do that. If I had to do one thing, if I had to abandon everything and just do one, it would be stand-up. Stand-up. I would say I'm just going to abandon everything else and just do stand-up. That's the most sort of like kind of like pure

like sort of like thing that you're most... It's a pure exchange, right? Because like if you put the most amount of effort into the work and you you go on the road a lot and you tighten up your act you and you get it to where it's a great show the people are enjoying it so they pay and they enjoy they leave this great feeling it's a real good exchange you know it is for me, if I go to see a standup, say if I go to see Mark Normand or something, let me give you for an example, Ari Shaffir or Tim Dillon, someone's really funny. If I go to see them live, if I paid money to

see them live and laugh my ass off for an hour and a half, I walk out of there, I feel really good about the exchange. I feel really good about the fact that I'm supporting them. I go to see them. They obviously put a lot of effort into their act, and it comes off in this great act. And it's organic. Like, it works. Sure, sure, sure.

It just feels like a sort of like common sort of like language that you're speaking. About podcasts, too yeah and i feel that way that you're speaking about podcasts too i mean it's like you're doing something you're putting out this uh audio and video conversation you're doing your best to make it interesting and to make people sync up to it so they can follow the way you're thinking and you have an enjoyable conversation point of view and you develop this relationship with these people that are listening like this it's very possible very uh positive rather what are the podcasts that you really like i like uh radio lab that's a interesting it's very good podcast it's very interesting

all kinds of things all kinds of things it's very heavily produced like sound effects and edits and there's a lot going on with it I listen to a bunch of my friends podcasts like Tim Dillon Bridget Phetasy

has a couple of great podcasts Ari Shafir's got a great podcast there's a lot of podcasts I subscribe to Shaffir's got a great podcast. There's a lot of podcasts I subscribe to. And then I just like look at my phone and go, what am I going to do? Sure, sure, sure. Do you listen to any of those like murder, true murder things? No. I don't like that

shit. I'm not interested. I'm not a girl. Girls are really interested in true crime shows. I don't know why, right? It's kind of a universal truth. To me, it's very fucking creepy. It's like, this is a person who actually died. I don't know. It's kind of like you're getting entertainment

from hearing how this person died. Again, if people like him, people like him, whatever. It's very popular. It's definitely people like him. But to me, it's just very like, I don't know. That's kind of creepy as fuck. Well, I think for women, they want to know. Because most murders are created by men.

And I think women want to know what the fuck men are capable of. And I think for them, it's like, what? It could be part of it. And it's also part of, like, women traditionally, and this is a gross generalization. Ladies, it's not a stereotype. I'm just saying. Oh, boy. Here we go.

Here we go. Women traditionally have been in hunter-gatherer communities. They have been responsible for gossip. And there's a place for gossip. It's actually important. And gossip is to make sure that people are held to a certain moral standard that the community accepts. That's true. And to find out who's stepping outside of those lines

and who's doing things wrong and what girls you can't trust because they're sleeping around with all different guys' men and what men you can't trust because they're lying about this and lying about that. It's like a little morality police. Yes, but that's their job. That's why they're so chatty, right? That's the job of women in these small hunter-gatherer societies

is to sort of keep everybody in line and find out what's going on. And I think because of that sort of affinity for gossip, they're attracted to these murder mystery shows. Like, and then what did he do? Well, then he hid the body in a steel drum. And you're like, oh. So women love those shows. I know so many women.

I know a lady who does one of those. She actually does one of those. One of my wife's friends. She does a- Does a voice or whatever. No, she has a fucking podcast. Oh, okay. A murder mystery podcast.

It's all about murders. And I'm like, why? Like, why are you into murders? Those true crime podcasts are very popular with women. mystery podcast it's all about murders and i'm like why like why are you into murders but just yeah those true crime podcasts are very popular with women like i don't know how you can listen to that for like an hour and then you're like i'm just gonna like go pick my kids up or like go like i don't think they have a problem with it at all they love it i know it's like no it's but it's just sort of like it's kind of fucked up like how like integrating that into like a normal day and

you're like literally i'm just gonna spend an hour hearing the gruesome details of like an actual murder like it's like but like literally shit tons of people that it's like what they do it's a common thing very very popular like yeah what is uh let's let's google this what are what are the when it comes to demographics for um true crime podcast let's find a true crime podcast and find out what percentage of the people that listen are female. That would be interesting to know. That would be interesting to know. Yeah, because this podcast is predominantly male.

Yeah, no. I got that. But it's not on purpose. I got it. Honestly, almost all of mine are the same, too. Like, it's like 80. I can see on Instagram. It's like 80% male as well.

When you have a bunch of giant dicks with jizz coming out of them attached to missile silos. Weirdly attracts dudes. Weirdly attracts dudes. Predominantly female. Look at this. Previous studies have shown the True Client podcast audience is predominantly female, 73%. That is bananas. Oh, interesting.

I don't know if that's true. Because they listen to these true crime. It's not just domestic abuse stuff. They listen to murders, like men murdering men. Yeah. What is that? What do you just pull up a paper? This is the paper that that was fundamentally different stories that matter.

The true crime podcast and the domestic violence survivors in their audience. Okay. Well, this is one. Okay. Well, that was, that makes sense if it was it's are reading about, like, men who've murdered women and try to get away with it. Because that's, like, every woman's worst fear is that she hooks up with a man and she winds up having a relationship with him and then he murders her.

Yeah. Or doesn't even hook up with her. You know, she meets a man somewhere and he murders her. Women worry about men murdering them. Yeah, that's not real. That's real. That's real. That's real.

It's a difference between what men worry about. Men worry about women pretending that they like them and stealing all their money. It's definitely a different level of concern. A less heinous crime. It is definitely a different level of concern that women necessarily have to have. Oh, yeah. Like that's not like for no reason, to be quite honest. I think that's why they are attracted to true crime podcasts.

I think they want to know if they get a database, you know, they get a baseline. It was like you get to read a bunch of different stories about all these things. Then they'll kind of recognize patterns but do you think that will make people like subjecting themselves to this like information because those are such outliers sort of like cases do you think that's gonna like fuck with people's heads over time because they're saying they're kind of like immersed in this world of murder when murders are insanely rare you know what i mean there's there's you, it's really not a super huge chance that you're going to get murdered,

just statistically. You know what I mean? You sound like a guy who's ready to get murdered. Right? Not even thinking ahead. That's okay. God damn it.

They lured me to fucking Austin. What is this? You fucking goddamn sons of bitches. Is this murder juice? It's 18-year-old scotch. Full-on fucking murder juice. Highland single malt scotch.

What do you got here? That's another single malt scotch. Is this normally what you drink, though? It seemed like this was not normally what you drink. No, I had some of it in Vegas this weekend. I went to a delicious restaurant. I can't recommend it enough. It's called Bizarre Meats.

It's at the Sahara. Super good. Oh, my God, so good. They use these Argentine grills. The head chef is Jose, how do you say his last name? Jose Andres, A-N-D-R-E-S. Is that how you say his name? He's a very famous chef, and he's got this restaurant in the Sahara

where they cook over live oak fires, and they have those Argentine grills. So it's on a crank. So they raise and lower the grill, and then they have the fire roaring underneath it. So this is how they cook in Argentina, how they cook meat. Oh, it's so good, man. What kind of meat was it? Steaks. Steaks. So this is how they cook meat. Oh, it's so good, man. What kind of meat was it? Steaks. So this is how they, is that the restaurant?

See if you can show if they have any images of the way they cook, because that's just as exciting. So when you walk into the place, they have this, you kind of would have to see the images of, like, the way it's worked. Actually, go to Grillworks. This is a better, yeah, keep clicking to the right. Maybe they'll show you the steak setup. You cook pretty often, don't you?

Oh my God, I'm a fiend. I cook constantly. Just go to Grillworks. Is it usually just grilling stuff or is there other stuff that you cook too? Yeah, I cook other stuff. Yeah, but I like grilling. Grilling's my favorite and smoking.

I like smoking. I've smoked some favorite and smoking. I like smoking. I've smoked some brisket. And is this mostly stuff that you've hunted or just all different stuff from where? Yeah, mostly stuff that I've hunted. But I do cook domestic beef too. I try to keep it grass-fed and grass-finished. But I – let's see if we can go to grillworks.com and you can see. Okay, so this is the company that supplies

them. That's it. That's a good example. So see those cranks? That's an Argentine grill. Yeah, so see those cranks? See the wheel? Yeah. You spin the wheel and it goes up and down depending upon which way you choose to make it go. And you raise and lower the grill depending upon

the temperature of the fire underneath it. But the idea is to cook over live wood. And when you do that, when you're cooking over live wood, you get this really amazing smoky flavor. You can go to my Instagram and you see that images of me cooking over it. I have one of those. I have one from another company called Sunterra. But it's a style of cooking where you're cooking over hardwood,

and so you get all this smoky flavor in the meat. And so when I was there, I was like, what do you got for old scotch? I'm going to try some old scotch. Sure. And they had this 27-year-old single malt scotch. I wish I remembered the name of the company, but it was fucking incredible.

It's so smooth. That's crazy. What were you in Vegas for? UFC fights. Oh, okay. The UFC was his best friend. How often are those fights per year? How many fights per year are there approximately?

Almost every weekend there's fights. So like 50 or something like that per year? Yeah, pretty close. And you are at all of them? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. I do 10 a year now. Oh, okay.

I'm down to 10 a year. Yeah. Maybe even less because of the pandemic. So this, see, that's it. So I'm cooking, that's a regular steak. And so see how it works there? There's a wheel and you crank the wheel to go up and down, but that smoke is like going into the flavor of the, you know, it's filling the meat with flavor. It has a very distinct flavor when you cook over smoke like that, over fire, hardwood fires. Sure, sure. It's incredible. I fucking love it.

It's my absolute favorite way to cook. The easiest way to cook and the most convenient and probably the best is like a Traeger grill to have like a pellet grill because you can control the temperature much better. It's like, this is like if you're a dork and you want to spend a ton of time. What is that, Jamie? Their Instagram page has some sweet. Oh, yeah.

Their photography is incredible. What kind of like pellet things do you usually use for it? Oh, different hardwood pellets like apple. It's like this company, Grillworks, that's like the Rolls Royce of these kind of grills. They're as good as they get. Like, look at that rig. That's pretty sweet.

That's a complicated one that someone's got installed in their backyard. Really high-end stuff. I'm going to be honest. I know nothing about grilling. It's super interesting. I never cook. At all? Honestly, my wife grills more than I do.

Like, she literally will, like. Does your wife peg you at all you know i knew that was going to be the absolute next question as soon as i said as soon as i said my wife girls i'm like okay next question any guy who goes online does your that's fair it's fair i open myself up to that and to be on a full honesty that was that was definitely the next question there it is there it is that's a no that's a no i don't that's where i say i'm not like well-rounded like i just like i don't you don't have to be baby besides anything other than this fucking yeah but you do that so well and you do it every day look we the world needs all kinds of people that's true you and the thing is like when i talk

about different things i don't think that anybody should do what other people are doing i think you should do what you want to do yeah but just do something yeah yeah the real problem in life is people that don't do anything yeah 100 you don't want to just be a what you want to do. Yeah. But just do something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The real problem in life is people that don't do anything. Yeah, 100%. You don't want to just be a consumer. You want to be a participant. And so many people, they allow themselves to be relegated to the role of a consumer, to only be a consumer. Well, I think these things, that's where the algorithms fucking feed you,

and they fucking keep you just kind of like... Yeah, but you don't have to do that. No, you don't, but it's like it sucks people in and that's where I think it like I think it makes it easier to not do anything. It certainly does. I think it makes it it distracts you from actually fucking doing something because you get that tiny little dopamine hit

that just keep scrolling, keep doing nothing keep looking at this, keep consuming. Well, it's setting us up for the Matrix, right? And this is what Zuckerberg's trying to do with meta. He's trying to jump ahead of it. He's trying to get in on it before anybody else gets in on it. Yeah, that's the thing. You can be an avatar, and you can have fun,

and I will put a device attached to your penis, and it will give you pleasure. Okay, I don't remember. That's what's going to happen. I do not remember him saying, you put a device attached to my penis. Do you hate me, and do you wish I sucked your dick? Well, I will in the meta.

And then it's like Mark Zuckerberg's animated head blowing you and you have this device on you. Is this in my meta or your meta? Anybody's meta. You can choose to. Free reign. You can choose to shut up, Mark, and suck my dick. Gladly.

And he just gets on his knees. He takes a small sip of water like this, like he did when he testified in front of Congress. And he gets on his knees. He takes a small sip of water like this, like he did when he testified in front of Congress. And he gets on his knees and he doesn't care. It's not really him. He's got a giant head and a small gelatinous body

with like mushy limbs. And he just expands when you jizz and do I'm going to make a picture of that I want to make a picture of that. I will make a picture of that. We need a video. A video? Okay.

I will try and make a video of that. Him moving in with his little tiny lips, moving in towards your cock. People can do this. I don't need to do it. People, somebody can do this better than me. Don't be a cop in now. Don't be a cop in now. No, I'll do it.

I will do it. It's your destiny. I will do it. It is definitely. Okay, so he's on the ground. Somebody's copping out. No, I'll do it. I will do it. It's your destiny. I will do it. It is definitely. Okay, so he's on the ground. Somebody's in a chair. Like, what kind of chair? Like a medical chair?

Like a dentist chair? Like, what are we talking here? Like a gynecologist sort of set up. Like your legs are strapped into some sort of a harness, and you have a cock ring on, and he comes in. Okay, you're getting pegged, yes or no? No, he comes in to blow you. Okay, he comes in to blow you, and he's like a tiny, you're getting pegged, yes or no? No, he comes in to blow you. Okay, he comes in to blow you,

and he's like a tiny, he's got a big head, but his body is sort of gooey. Tiny, like an alien. And it fills up like a balloon. Like this. Okay, that fills up with the jizz. Which is what I think we're going to look like. I think this is our future,

and I think that's what's going to happen in the meta. It's going to slowly bring us to that reality. Whereas time goes on and we evolve. How many years till we're there? That's a good question. Depends on how much CRISPR gets involved. When you talk about genetic engineering, how much that gets involved. Because if what's going on in there supplants the need for this body, the physical monkey body that we all have then uh i think we'll we'll we'll get on board sooner than later i still think it's a way zone i still think until we're like super jacked with sort of like biological technology like that i still think

at least 50 years yeah so you're just like it i want to look like that what is this like that right wow look at that yeah that looks like aliens. New vibe. Rock out at VR concerts. Feel alive. What is that quote? Feel alive in an audiovisual joyride in the comfort of your home. Feel alive. So what I'm showing you is HTC Vive's VR headset that doesn't have controllers, and it's wireless.

It's only tethered to a phone. What do you think about VR? Do you like VR? I'm fascinated by it. What about your hands? It just tracks them, I'm assuming. I don't think it even does that. That's why you have to have the phone attached to it. What if you're going to do

one of the boxing games? This is not for that. So this is for a different experience on VR that's not gaming. Oh, just kind of like watching stuff. Oh, well, that's cool. It's close to sunglasses, too, where they're almost see-through. That's pretty dumb. It looks so light.

But you were holding up the alien head, and I was like, that looks like the alien's eyes. It really does. Well, that's probably what the eyeballs are, those things. They're probably VR. It's getting better. Yeah, that's what it is. It's VR goggles. Easy phone pairing.

Look at that girl. She's all sat nam. She's all namaste. This seems like that's something you wouldn't want to do. They're like, do yoga with those on. Why would you want to have that on while you're doing it? Because she's a freak. Look at this.

Serenity happens when our senses are free to explore See, feel, and play to your heart's delight Or just actually do that You fuck Serenity does not happen when you're connected to the Matrix Jesus Christ Did we not learn from Keanu Reeves Now are you excited for that new one

Yeah I'm excited Are you? Yeah yeah of course Those other ones are crazy i mean so good i'm all in no those were crazy like that was deaf i remember seeing that first one i was like i was a freshman in college and it was just like what the fuck honestly that was the only one that was good the first one yeah i like the second one it was okay part of it it was okay it was crazy like graphics too that scene with That scene where he's spinning and there's a billion guys jumping on him.

That was crazy shit. Nobody had done. Oh yeah, visually. But don't you think there was a bit of a drop off in the way you felt about the completeness of the narrative in the film and the whole thing? It wasn't as like... I mean the first one, if it was just that one, it ended in a way where it was just like fucking boom, like mic drop, fucking insane. Yeah, it was insane. It was really good.

It was also a unique concept in that we kind of thought it was coming. Like if you think about the future, if you think about human beings and our relationship to technology, and when you go back to that film, what was the Matrix? Like 2000? I think it was 1999. 1999? Yeah, no, I was a freshman. I remember walking outside after watching that, and it was like, oh, my God, is fucking reality real?

I was fucked up. It was like, what the fuck? It's kind of crazy if you think about 99, too. Technology was in its infancy. Oh, yeah. This was like I got into college and it was like, oh, I've got broadband internet. Like, what the fuck? I can download any MP3.

You know what they should do? What they should do instead of all this Matrix 4 shit? They should redo the Matrix with new technology. Like, they redo Spider-Man. They just did a thing I saw with Unreal Engine. Oh, my God. It is fucking crazy as shit, dude. There's an Unreal Engine. Oh, my God. It is fucking crazy as shit, dude. There's an Unreal with, oh, my God.

It is insane. Yeah, with the Matrix. Oh, you got to pull that up. It's called The Matrix Awakens. It's technically a tech demo. It's not quite a game. It's running on PS5 and Xbox One. It is insane.

It is fucking insane. It looks so good. You've drank that whole scotch now. You're a little lit. This guy in there. You feeling it? Look at this. Hi, I'm Thomas Anderson.

Instead of why. This is actually like the whole thing. Oh, it's Keanu? That's him. See, that's I think him. If you scroll forward a bit, yeah. To like not him. Oh, so that's digital.

Whoa. The uncanny valley has been crossed. No, no. It's insane, like, the video that they have. Like, it's like, okay, video games are about to get, like, yeah, that's fucking video game. Whoa! Yeah. It's so close now. My god, it's

so close. It's getting better and better all the time. Insane. Ooh, 67 Camaro. Nice. Maybe 68. Ooh, 67 Camaro. Nice. Maybe 68. This is amazing. Yeah. It's so good.

Yeah, like, look at that. That's, like, real time. That's a video game now. Like, what the fuck? That's amazing. The representations of the humans, they're so good now. Yeah, and, like, all of the, like, lightings, the shot. I mean, it's just, like, they're able to, like're so good now. Yeah, and all of the lightings, the shot. I mean, it's just like they're able to just do anything. Well, this is where the future is.

The future is in the expansion of this. There's what it looks like at night. Wow, that's gorgeous. Yeah. The expansion of the capabilities of these engines, and we've highlighted the Unreal Engine, the newest Unreal Engine. It's insane. There's a scene where, I don't know if you've seen the scene.

I'm sure. Where they're outside in the canyons. Yeah, yeah, the girl climbing up the mountain in the canyons. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, look at this shit. It's so crazy. Well, this is like near and dear to your heart, right?

Because this is the kind of stuff that you work with. Yeah, 100%. And this is sort of like, and that's where I kind of like came up, seeing video games like getting better and better. Like even as a little kid, it's like, oh, Mario 2 looks better than Mario 1. Yeah. And then the next one looks better. Right.

And then it's 3D and then like Quake and Wolfenstein. Yeah. And like, holy shit, this is like getting crazier and crazier and crazier. And like, and then to be able to sort of like make those things now is like just insane. Well, my kids. Seeing where it came from. When they're younger in particular, I used to love taking them to animated movies. And it's like many of those movies are very fun,

even for adults like The Incredibles and stuff like that. But what's really incredible and what's really enjoyable to me was just seeing how far the technology had gone. And so let me think of films like Despicable Me. Yeah. Despicable Me is a great example. It's fun. It's a kid's movie.

But when you're watching it, you're looking at this and you're going, Jesus, this technology is incredible. The animation is so expressive and the shadowing and with the light source, the way they're reacting to a single light source. Yeah. Like when you see these scenes out in streets, you're seeing the shadows that are representative of the sun in the particular place that it is in the sky. And I'm taking all this in while I'm watching that. My kids are just enjoying the movie.

I'm assuming they're little kids. Sure, sure, sure. But I'm just blown away by the technology itself. It's crazy because it's like it's really limited by your imagination. You can literally just do anything you can think of at this point. And it's crazy to see where that's going to go. It's very hard to picture looking back 20 years from now and us looking at the stuff like we look at 20 years ago how it looks so primitive and so like simple like yeah it's hard to imagine how it could even

sort of like get better from here because it's already so sophisticated i guess it's got to get better of course it will definitely get better but it's like how get how much better can it get and what's gonna what is gonna happen do you think do you think it's gonna be immersive like ai type i mean how far out are you thinking i think the next big thing is gonna be ar that it's sort of in the next maybe 10 years people are gonna have ar glasses and you're gonna see all kinds of crazy shit like and it'll be just like the phone where it's super addictive everybody has it they don't fucking leave the house without their ar glasses and it's really like super easy where you can look

up and see the weather and all this shit overlaid. Maybe that's gonna happen before genetic engineering. Yeah, 100%. That'll be like 10 years from now. So every man will look gorgeous. Every man will look like Chris Hemsworth. And every woman will look perfect

because you have the AR on. You know how women wear makeup to look better yeah they're gonna we're just gonna wear ar so everyone will look better well that's the thing i could choose how you look yes you could choose how your like partner looks yeah it's sort of like i haven't seen their actual face in 20 years because i have an ar filter on that i've been using for the last 20 years right or you change it or whatever just staple it right to your fucking eyebrows. There's going to be a lot of fucking weird shit like that because everybody will be able to be in their own reality.

You're like, you like dogs. It'll be like, oh, I want dogs everywhere I go. And so, like, you see dogs. Right, right. Like, that's what makes me happy. Yeah. And so it's like dogs follow me around. And it's sort of like, or zombies.

Dude, it's going to be like crazy. Like, everybody's going to be in their own fucking reality with this shit. Undoubtedly. Undoubtedly, it's going to get more and more immersive. What's going on, Jay? Do you think people are going to have new level distracted driving? Yeah. Nah, by this time, they'll have the like sorted.

Yeah, they'll have that like sorted, I think. Autonomous cars are coming. I mean, I have a Tesla, the new one, the S, the Plaid. The fucking driving thing is incredible. It's even better than the older ones. It's complicated. It's hard to get to, though. What he did was put everything on a yoke.

So with the Plaid, the steering wheel is this yoke, and the horn is not the center. Like some guy cut right in front of me. I was like, Jesus, I tried to hit my horn. Wait, this is the S? Yeah. The S plaid, the new one. It's a button and you gotta go like this to get to the horn. Don't like it. Don't like where the button is. Love the car.

The car is a genius piece of tech, but the horn sucks. It sucks where it is. It's not in the center. It should be in the center. All horns should be right there. That's where the horn is. But that's not where, how do you get to the self-driving thing?

Isn't it through like the menus or some shit? Yeah, it's on there. You can double press this thing when you get to this thing and see it scroll. But much more complicated than the old way. The old way you double pumped this stem. Have you ever had any like weird, like it do anything weird or is it always just. I always have my hands on it. I don't it always just... I always have my hands on it. I don't trust that bitch.

I always have my hands on that, but I'll hold it for someone and watch. I'm like, look, look what I can do. I don't have to drive. Does it totally make turns? Like, will it make like a full turn or is it more like lean? It stops at red lights. It does everything. Totally driving.

It's wild. Yeah. It does wild stuff now, but I don't trust it. It's just, I'd want to, I just want to hold on. Sure, sure, sure. Well, you're supposed to hold on. You definitely, I don't think they're definitely just i'd want to i just want to hold on sure sure well you're supposed to hold on you definitely i don't think they're definitely right some people go to sleep i've seen some of that stuff where people do crazy shit on the highway i could not imagine that i can't fucking like have you ever driven a tesla uh i don't think i've actually driven a tracer i've driven in them but i don't think i would there's no fucking way i could sleep though

like what are you talking about? My car is some level of sort of like self-driving something. What do you have? It's just this total piece of shit like Camry or something. Why do you have a Camry? You have $100 million you made this year. Get a real car. I bought a Camry since I made all that money.

What is wrong with you? I don't give any shit about cars. I do not give any shit about cars. Those are not safe. No, they're not safe. I should get a better car that's like they're probably safer than old cars which is what i like but they're not safer than new good cars it's not slick it's not fun like you if you want to get a toyota it's garbage get a lexus

lexuses are amazing they make an amazing car like a better like car that's's kind of safer. Lexus? Lexus sedans. Oh, my God. They're so smooth. Pretty nice. Oh, yeah. I've had three Lexus trucks over the course of the years. They're the greatest cars I've ever owned. Toyota's never break.

They're so good. They're so good at their longevity. Wait, Lexus is Toyota? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. I know nothing about cars. Lexus is the luxury branch of Toyota. Okay, Lexus is Toyota? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Like I know nothing about cars. Yeah, Lexus is the luxury branch of Toyota. Okay, I'm getting a Lexus.

They're the best. They don't break. They don't fuck up, man. Yeah, that's why we got the Camry. Like I've had cars for 300,000 miles, like multiple cars. You can, with a Toyota, you definitely can. I have a 95 Toyota Land Cruiser that I had rebuilt that I love. I love it.

I love Toyotas. I just think that they're so well made. Yeah. They concentrate so much, particularly the Land Cruiser line, they concentrate so much on reliability, dependability, and durability. Wait, what's a Land Cruiser? Like an SUV? Yeah. I don't even know what that is.

It's a SUV. Yeah. It's an SUV. Like an SUV or like I don't even know what that is. Yeah. It's an SUV. Yeah, it's an SUV. And the 95, which is what I have, is the 80 series, which is a legendary SUV because they use them a lot overseas. And like they use them in Africa.

They use them in Australia quite a bit. And like the military or just in like businesses? Yeah, military, but also people that are in the back country all the time rely on these. Those are like an iconic sort of like model. Yes, super, super reliable. I see. They have solid real, like live axles, like solid axles in front and rear. So they're really great at, you know at traversing difficult terrain.

To have a bunch of land? Where do you use this? Yeah, I do, but I just love it because I bought a car that I specifically had made for an apocalypse vehicle. Okay, as you do. It's got a large gas tank and floodlights. What are you most worried about how this apocalypse is going to happen? What I'm most worried about already happened.

The people panicking and freaking out. But that's not the apocalypse. It's the beginning of what could happen if we have a deterioration of society, especially if you have a lack of services. Like if the power goes out, if the grocery stores go empty. If the power went out, would get real real fast real fast real fast then your jpeg's going away real fast well i use it don't get real i used it out here my my land cruiser when we almost lost the power grid in texas last year oh with the ice

yeah because they're not prepared for winter because it doesn't really get it doesn't go like montana winter in texas so when it did they didn't know what the fuck to do and they came within four minutes of losing the grid and so really like what do you mean losing it the power grid literally shutting down because it was overrun and then they figured it out and made the proper adjustments but not good but my point was when you get on the highway that time, none of the plows had worked. So there's no plows out here because they don't anticipate any snow. Yeah, that's how Charleston is. They didn't plow for days and it was like we're just waiting until it melts.

But with my Land Cruiser, I was loving it. I was gliding around town like wee. I had so much fun. It was so easy because, first of all, I grew up in Boston, so I'm used to being around snow. Yeah. And I used to deliver newspapers for a living. So I drove in snow. Sure, sure, sure.

For years, I drove in snow. Yeah, I'm from Wisconsin. I grew up in snow, like, definitely. And with this Land Cruiser, my goodness, it's just, it was like a dog that's let off the leash. Like, yay yay i get to nothing's even open though was anything even open oh was it yeah a lot of things were open all the grocery stores were open hardware stores you know stuff like stuff to get crazy how much that fuck things up though that we're like still feeling the effects of that like a year from now

like yeah supply chains and shit just like well that was minor the real supply chain issue is what's going on in china and overseas and and dealing with the shipping crisis which is like a trucking shortage there's quite a few issues yeah it's quite a few issues that are compounded by inept leadership and you know the fact that we rely on other countries for trade it's we we we are so dependent on other countries for our medicine. There's a massive shortage of semiconductor chips right now. So it's very difficult for people to get cars. Speaking of which, the new Land Cruiser that Toyota makes and the new Lexus.

Lexus has like, they take the Land Cruiser 300 and they make a luxury version of that. They had to shut down production because there's no semiconductor chips. Yeah. It's crazy how one tiny little piece of the car can completely like derail the whole fucking thing. That it's sort of like we've got everything ready to go. This tiny little fucking thing. We don't have that. Well, what's crazy is we don't make any of that stuff.

That's what's crazy. It's pretty fucked up. I think a lot of that's coming back because I think this was a big wake-up call with COVID that we don't make that shit and we need that shit. It's not like it's like who cares. It's like, no, we need that shit. Yeah, but it's more complicated than that. The problem is we've gone so far away from the American supply chain that in order for us to make all of our parts here and cars here, think about phones. Phones are a great example that we bring up all the time.

And I know Elon has talked about making a phone. And if he makes a phone, I will 100% switch over to his phone. He's going to call it the Pi phone apparently. Pi phone? Yeah, I'm all in. I want an American-made phone. I think they can do it and their samsung is actually making chips here in america um they're they're actually opening

up a plant here in texas to make chips in austin and every phone that you get now is essentially made by people that live horrible lives a hundred percent of these dorms they're making like insanely small amounts of money. They have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because so many people are committing suicide. It's fucked up. It's not good. And that's most of... And that's not even... The really dark

stuff is the minerals. The way they get the minerals out of the ground. Oh, like rare earth minerals and shit? Some of them were literally made, but it's just child slave labor is digging these minerals out of the ground. Jesus Christ.

Vice, back in the day when Vice was actually Vice, did a piece on, I believe it's called Coltan. Coltan. I think it's called Coltan. That's the mineral. It's a mineral that's, a lot of it is sourced in Africa, and a lot of it is pulled from the ground by child slave labor with sticks.

Jesus Christ. So using sticks to get these minerals, digging them out of the ground. Like way in a mine or whatever. Yeah, chipping away at this. Imagine, go to the height of technology, which is in terms of application and use by the average person, is a cell phone. Sure. Oh, yeah, for sure.

This is the fucking absolute, 100%. The height of the application of technology in your everyday life. Human technology and human progress. Now, take what's necessary from that and take it all the way to the beginning and you find a child slave look at this they're literally they're literally using sticks or shovels and digging this stuff out that is fucked up dude yeah is this vice no what is this a different article about it different so is it coltan yeah coltan yeah children like solange are the first to pay the price of coltan trade many start working as young as seven years old so this is where they get this

stuff and this stuff is what you would call a conflict mineral and this um this mineral is an important factor in the production of cell phones. Children in the Democratic Republic of Congo mine for coltan and face abuse to supply smartphone industry. Jesus Christ. That's fucking crazy, dude. When you think of it exactly how you said it in the scope of this being the most technologically advanced thing, and these kids are in the fucking mud scraping it out. You see it right there in those images. And these kids are like in the fucking mud,

scraping it out. You see it right there. And it's necessary. It's necessary. And this is what's wrong. That's so fucked up. This is what's wrong with our life in general. It's almost like a testament to the deterioration of our appreciation of where everything comes from

and our ethics and our values. Is that you follow the supply supply you follow the chain of where the stuff that's in your phone comes from at the very start it's actually coming from slave labor that is fucked up yeah and we're all participating in it a hundred percent and that's the thing like that's the the phones and the phones are priced the way that they are because that. No, no, no, no, no. They, they need that stuff. The problem is that stuff. Yeah, no, I need, I know they need that, but it's sort of like, even once they get that, then it goes to China and those people are not that much better. Not as bad, but it's not great either. But the thing is there's still immense profit, immense profit by these companies.

Apple's one of the most wealthy companies on the planet Earth. 100%. And you got to wonder, if you did all that in America, how much less money would you make? You'd probably make less, but wouldn't you feel better? Wouldn't we all feel better about a phone that was made by someone who had a great job with benefits, that was made by someone who had a great job with benefits and they had X amount of days off per year and they had great work conditions. They were taken care of.

You knew that they were looking forward to going to work. They were treated well. There's no nets around the building. They could also do that in China too. They don't have to pay people. We can't fix China. But what we can do is try to influence companies And China, too. Like, they don't have to pay people. They're not gonna. We can't fix China. That's true. But what we can do is try to influence companies to make something in America.

And I think that if Elon started making his Pi phone in America, and it was a very high-quality phone, the only problem is so many people are married to the Apple operating system. Yeah, that's tough to kind of like. They're pretty entrenched. But imagine saying, fuck those slaves. I need my iPhoto. It's definitely, no. I think people, they gloss over it. And they convince it.

And I think everybody convinces themselves, myself included, that it's sort of like okay when it's like, no, it's pretty fucked up in a way. It's pretty fucked up. It's it's like no it's pretty fucked up in a way it's pretty fucked up it's pretty fucked up it's pretty fucked up being honest well honestly you and i might know about this but very few people that are using phones really do that's true i'm very acutely aware of it i did a short film where i kind of like sort of outlay a bunch of like income inequality things that are just like like especially looking at the third world it's like just the average person in america a normal salary compared to these people in the

third world is like fucking rich as shit you know what i mean thirty four thousand dollars a year you are in the top one percent of the world yeah and that's like the top one percent of the world and that's considered poor in america yeah and so it's like getting a sense of the full scope of the world and how much money people have, it's super fucked up. And I honestly don't think most people in America sort of realize that. Well, the price has to scale with quality of life, right? But the quality of life, because some places it's cheaper, cost of living is cheaper, so it's not really apples to oranges.

But when you look at the quality of life in a lot of these places, it's fucking terrible. Yeah. It's terrible. Sort of like literally like, I mean, thinking just about water alone, like it's something that is just like literally just... One of the companies we donate to is Fight for the Forgotten

and Fight for the Forgotten, Fight for the Forgotten, and Fight for the Forgotten, Fight for the Forgotten, they build wells for the pygmies in the Congo. Oh, really? Yeah, my buddy Justin Wren, he's gone over there multiple times, and he founded this company, and they just provide clean drinking water,

and just due to that, they've built from this program that we've done, the donations that we've done, and when we were working with the Cash App, they've built many, many, many wells over there and supplied a ton of people with clean drinking water. It's something that honestly to me is unimaginable. Growing up in the United States, not having water. unimaginable like growing up in the united states like not having water right it's so literally like free and ubiquitous that like that being something that you need to be like concerned about

yeah for anything right well we know like when he went over there he was seeing all these children with the standard you've been over there like seeing like i've never seen like crazy stuff like that when he went over there he saw all these children with distended bellies, and he was like, what is going on? And they're all parasites. The amount of children that have parasites is off the charts. Yeah, that's so crazy.

I don't know. I feel like that would super fuck me up. It would have fucked him up. Seeing that. It fucked him up, and then he got malaria three times. But I think that's good though. Like I think like, I don't know. Malaria's good?

No, no. Just sort of like seeing it and kind of like, you know, sort of having that firsthand experience. Obviously it caused him to sort of like,

you know, do this sort of like charity. Yeah, it became the real focus of his life to try to help these people. It's the reality of the world that

we live in and that's the strangest the strangest connection to me is what we just said that the pinnacle of technology is directly connected to slave labor that if you follow it down you get people who are the poorest people on earth working in the worst conditions imaginable, digging holes in the ground with sticks to pull these fucking minerals out. So even if it was in the United States, would we still be able to do that? Because it's sort of like my, and I don't know. I'm more saying like my understanding is these rare earth metals are only in certain parts of the world that I don't, I got the impression that not that many are in the United States. That's a very good question.

That's why we need to like Cambodia or wherever. You know what I mean? No, that's a good question. But you could ethically source it in those places. Sure, yeah. What you could do is you could develop some sort of a place in those places where you pay people correctly. Sure, yeah. And take care of them.

And put in safety stuff. Put in schools and take care of them, and put in schools, and take care of them, and don't, the dark stuff is that they treat people differently in these other countries in terms of how much they pay them and how many hours they have to work, because they can. They don't have laws there that are like the laws that we have here in America where, that's why unions exist.

Unions exist, as much as people love laws that we have here in America where that's why unions exist. Unions exist as much as people love to complain about unions. Unions exist because people in power will abuse people that aren't in power. When you're running a gigantic company and you can make X amount more by making people work X amount more and making them get paid X amount less, people just do it. Yeah. They do it.

If they can, they will. And then what are you going to do? Are you going to go somewhere else? Fuck off. Take it or leave it. And that take it or leave it shit is why unions got developed in the first place. Then if you don't have that, worst case scenario is what we're seeing, these people are digging holes in the ground to pull out the minerals.

Well, if there's no laws and there's nothing stopping them, then they're just going to do it. You've got to wonder if that's the only way to do it. You've also got to wonder how much of that stuff is recyclable, right? Because we cycle through new cell phones. From the cell phones? I think a lot of it is recyclable. Oh, I'd like to know. Because there's so many cell phones that if you think about how many cell phones get thrown away and how many cell phones get replaced every year, most people get a new phone, whatever, we say every two years or so.

Something like that. I think it's slowing down, though. It should. I have an iPhone 11, and I use it all the time. It's like a secondary phone that I have. And it's not much different than my 13. No, no. Pretty much the fucking same thing.

It's definitely getting more incremental the sort of change is moving forward. Yeah, if they could get a large supply of those rare earth minerals. But then the other thing is, do those minerals get exhausted by the use in the cell phone? Are they recyclable? I think most, my understanding, I could be just completely talking my ass. I think most are recyclable, but a very small amount are not recyclable. Well, that's just such a weird aspect of the most advanced part of our life

and our society. It is weird that it comes down to these literal fucking crystals, like fucking that it's down to these literal fucking crystals. Fucking that it's like, we need these magic crystals to fucking beam shit from outer space. If you step back and think about it, it's absolutely fucking insane. Do you remember Star Trek? These things. I never watched Star Trek that much. I was more into Star Wars.

Well, that's what they needed in Star Trek. They needed crystals. Some crystals for their spaceship or some shit?'s what they needed in Star Trek. They needed crystals. Some crystals for their spaceship or some shit? What did they use in Star Trek? Remember they always needed some fucking crystals to run the Enterprise? There was like a thing they would have to

get crystals. There was a thing you would have to get crystals from some... Dilithium? Is that what it was? It's an invented material which serves as a controlling agent. In which Star Trek are we talking? Hold on. What did you say?

It's an antimatter matter reactor. Like fuel. Dilithium crystals? Oh, sorry. I didn't put it up there. Yeah. Yeah. Dilithium is an invented material

which serves as a controlling agent in the matter antimatter reactors. The original series, dilithium crystals were rare and could not be replicated, making the search for them a recurring plot element. Yeah, makes sense. That's probably how it's going to go down.

Isn't that wild that even back in the Star Trek days, which I believe started in like 60s, 7 or something like that, that even back then they recognized that there was a need for crystals and minerals. It is pretty fucked up. Yeah. Dilithium crystals. It'll be interesting if those become very, very, like we run out and like in the future that it's like, oh shit, those become insanely, insanely like expensive or something.

They'll figure out other ways around it, I think. We would hope, but that they'll figure out shit shit that's not the case with the supply chain issues we realize like okay they're not figuring it out we have a real issue that's true that's true yeah i mean it's definitely yeah it's not a given that people will figure it out there's these problems are very complex and they're sort of like there's no guarantee they'll just get solved. No. As we've seen over the last year and a half. Yeah, and I wonder what else could be done in terms of how to make electronics. Is the path that they're on now using these coltan crystals and coltan minerals and using all these different things that we have with semiconductor chips, is that the only way to do this?

things that we have with semiconductor chips. Is that the only way to do this? Or is this the way we've gone down this very particular path and we're so far down this path that we don't want to start from scratch again and take it from step one? Nah, I think they'll do other things. I think they'll in the future have more like

bioengineering things where they'll figure out how to hack a like blood cell or something and that will be the like fucking microchip or some shit. I smell an animation cooking. out how to hack a like blood cell or something and that will be the like fucking you know micro chip or some shit i smell an animation cooker i think there will be other things like again there's a lot of people will be are very incentivized if these metals become a problem to figure out something else because you fucking figure that thing out there's a bazillion trillion dollars so i think it's it's one of these things where there's got to be other

ways around this stuff yeah i think it just the problem is that that might be the way around it that it becomes integrated with your body so it might that might be the thing that leads us to become fucking cyborgs you know that that's the motivation yeah i mean i think that's still a ways off i think we'll just sort of subtly, how long? Okay, when you say cyborgs, what do you mean, though? Because that's actually kind of like, what's your definition of a cyborg? Well, Elon thinks that they're going to be able to do Neuralink and help people with nerve issues. Like people who have had spinal cord injuries, they're going to be able to start doing that within the next year or so.

But that's not a cyborg. Of course it is. You would consider those people cyborgs now. Of course it is. Of course it is. It's the beginning of a cyborg. You're taking a very advanced computer system and you're integrating it with the human body. Not only that, you're integrating it with one of the most important and complex parts of the human body, the neural interface,

the interface between the brain and the nerves and the way the body moves. It's one of the most complex, and not only that, the way the body thinks. You're going to be able to change the way a human being has access to information and broaden the bandwidth that a person has. You're going to be able to be connected through Wi-Fi

or whatever future technology, 5G, 6G, whatever the fuck it is. You're going to be able to be connected to the internet in your fucking head, and it's going to be everywhere. But when do you think, so like, I mean, not to downplay these things, obviously it's crazy as shit, but I guess I was thinking of cyborg more in like a sci-fi sense like when you are like when do you think you'll be able to sort of like get a piece of information from the internet into your brain just by sort of like thinking of it

not that long you think that'll be in the next five years ten years you know maybe like 20 30 in our lifetime um i mean if it's 10 years or 20 years i think once it happens the 10 years after that are going to happen so fast oh yeah it's going to get real fucking it's going to get real fast real quick well think how weird it's gotten in the 20 plus years the internet's been around so the internet has been around essentially let's call it 30 let's call it 30 years 91 call it 30 years sure so in the 30 years the internet's been around, the world has become unrecognizable. It's a completely different world. Not just unrecognizable in terms of your ability to access information, but also unrecognizable in the ability that governments

have to control people with social credit score systems that they're implementing in places like China and places that are controlled by military dictatorships, but also unrecognizable in the way we interface with life. We're inseparable from our phones. Everybody carries a phone everywhere you go. 100%. And it matters. It can change people's lives, what they do on the internet. I mean, I'm definitely sort of like a big example of this podcast.

what they do on the internet. I mean, I'm definitely sort of like a big example of this podcast. Like, obviously, you decided to start a podcast. And, like, over the internet became this, like, massive thing. And I think it's crazy to think, like, that we're only 30 years into this. And the first 10 years, I mean, the 90s, that was sort of like, you know, that was kind of a wash. Things really started to, like, gain steam in the last 20 years. Really, even in the

last 10 years started to really like, it's changing pretty quick here and like things are moving and it's really starting to see huge effects like in politics and things like that, that are really sort of like materially changing the world. So what if what we're saying in terms of children in the Congo pulling coal tan out of the ground becomes abhorrent, becomes something that people are just, we will not tolerate, completely intolerable. And we need solutions. And the solution comes about that the way to do it is biologics. And the way to do it is the integration into the human mind with some sort of neural link type interface. That would lead us to the matrix.

It would lead us to some – I mean that seems to be where it's headed. And it's one of the reasons why those movies are so compelling. see the future laid out before us if we don't have some sort of a radical change into what we accept, what we tolerate, and what we universally adopt. Because we've universally adopted cell phones. They're unavoidable at this point. No. If you don't have a cell phone, you're so far removed from the cultural conversation that it's way more rare, which is pretty crazy.

Yeah. In just a short period of time, a device has been so popular that it's way more rare, which is pretty crazy that in just a short period of time, a device has been so popular that it's way more rare to not have it than it is to have it. Way more rare. Way more rare. Like almost nobody. You know almost nobody. Even people where it's like you don't really need one, like very, very old or this or that, sort of like they have one. Or very, very young too.

Very few, yeah. It's on both sides, and it's sort of like, yeah, that whole adoption happened in like, what, 10 years? It was pretty quick. It went from like zero to like every single person has this device, and the device is gaining capabilities very, very quickly. Do you think the way you're creating art would one day change to the point where you would create some sort of an art that

people interface with in a much more realistic sense, like a virtual reality sense. Like if they come up with something that takes what you normally would see on a computer, now you get it on the phone, and then you're going to get it in your brain. So you would create maybe small experiences. Sure. Yeah, 100%. I think that's sort of like if that technology, because at the end of the day, I look at art as just a way to sort of like get ideas across

and give people some sort of like emotional experience. You experience some emotion when you see the underwear and this or that. It's funny or this or that. And I think as new tools progress, I'll use those tools. Whatever is sort of available to me, that's what I'll use. And I'm always excited about the most advanced technologies out there that are sort of bleeding edge type things that can give you a more just visceral experience with art. Have you seen Ready Player One? Yeah, 100%.

That and Jamie just read the sequel to it. Apparently, there's an awesome sequel. But Ready Player One to me represents the pitfalls and the inevitable both together, that people are not going to care about the external physical world because you're going to be interested in the internal digital world. Yeah. And I think that's where it's sort of, I think it, especially if the problems in the physical world become very annoying and very sort of like yeah i don't it becomes a not fun place and you can like you know immediately sort of like be in a very different space that makes you feel better

and makes you feel like you're in like a cool place instead of a shitty dumpy place then yeah i could very much be incentivized and i think that that could be what's happening when you look at all the negativity that's on Twitter. I would venture to say that at least 40% of what's written on Twitter is negative. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely... I just threw that number out. Just made it up. It's probably accurate, though. What do you think, Jamie?

What percentage of Twitter do you think is negative? 30%? Yeah, but there's also, I can't not know that half of it is created by bots and just like shitposting. Yeah, right. But my point is, the experience of people who take it in, it doesn't matter if it's a bot or if it's shitposters or if it's trolls, what you're taking in is negative. It's negativity.

That could motivate people to go into some sort of meta type environment that would be much more positive based much more positivity based i think the metaverse will just be a extension of twitter yeah but it's not twitter it's facebook when you see that whatever it's just it's the same it. It's people congregating in a space, but it will sort of be like it will just be a version of – Facebook is just a version of Twitter. They're the same sort of like – there's a bunch of like – they're just organized differently. All that negativity, you just see it in like little groups of like sort of people congregating. But you know they're planning with Meta, right? Yeah.

I mean I think that was mostly just marketing bs to be quite honest like i don't think anything changed that much right now i think they're planning to do these things but i think they're still like a ways off in terms of them sort of building this like metaverse i think the term metaverse is thrown around a lot and it's not there's no sort of like clear definition of it right but they're defining what they're gonna do in the future when the technology becomes more viable they're essentially there's they set the foundation they're laying the foundation and they're gonna run the electrical and the gas and the water pipes but this is the future yeah but i mean are you gonna be super

excited to get into that future with Facebook? It doesn't matter. I wouldn't have been super excited to get into Twitter if you told me in 2007 what it would become in 2021. Sure, that's true. It's definitely, I mean, I think they will certainly try to do something, but I think people are going to be a bit resistant to that just because they sort of, I don't know, you don't think so? No chance. They're diving right in. That's the thing. People will dive right in if it's compelling. If they create

something where it's a compelling experience, then people will sign up. If they don't, then people won't. Have you seen the Meta commercial where the kids are at a museum? A Facebook commercial? It's Meta. It's a Meta commercial. I've not seen that. You need to see it. Is it like creepy as shit? No, no, no.

It's actually cool. The thing about the seen that. You need to see it. Is it like creepy as shit? No, no, no, no. It's actually cool. Like the thing about the commercial is like you go, oh, I want to do that. Oh, okay. You want to hang out with these kids. That's the thing. If they make something that's a cool experience, people will do it. Let me show you. You'll be able to appreciate this because it's interactive.

So here's the experience. So you've got these kids. Oh, I have seen this. I have seen it. I never actually looked at it that closely, though, to be quite honest. I love the commercial. So they're watching this picture, and they're leaning close, and the tiger looks at them. And so look, and you get into it.

This is the dimension of imagination. This commercial, to me, is really well done. Because these kids are looking at it. At first, they're a little skeptical. And then they start bobbing their heads to the music. Oh, yeah. Okay. Look at that fucking owl.

That's cool. Look at these monkeys dancing. The snake is cool. Look at this. Look at them. See, look. Now they're all in. Look. Now they're all in. Now they're all in.

Bobbing heads. They've got the youth. They've got the youth demo locked down. This is going to be fun. Facebook converts, turns into meta. And they used a version of the Infinity logo, which is kind of creepy. That is interesting. That is where your soul will go.

I mean, that's the thing. Again, yeah, if they make something that's freaking good, that's the reason. Why are you still on Twitter? I'm not. So what do you mean you're not on Twitter? You're not on it at all? I occasionally dip my toe into the read things.

Well, let's say Facebook. You still post things on Facebook. No, I go straight through my Instagram and post on Facebook. Or on Instagram. I mean, Instagram. So it Instagram and posts on Facebook. Or on Instagram, I mean. Instagram. Yeah. So it's like, why do you post on Instagram still? Well, it helps promote shows. It helps, I like, there's some things I find that are interesting

that I think people would benefit from knowing about. You know, sometimes it's cool stuff that I find out. Like, last night I got obsessed with flowers that look exactly like birds. Have you ever paid attention to that? Flowers that look exactly like birds. Have you ever paid attention to that? Flowers that look exactly like birds? Yeah.

Pull up my last post. Yeah, I got obsessed last night. I went down a rabbit hole with flowers that look like birds. To spread their pollen? No. Why do they look like birds? To avoid predation. Oh, that's interesting.

To keep bugs away. Look at that. Oh, that's crazy. Crazy. And that's just one. What the fuck? Look at that. Oh, that's crazy. Crazy. And that's just one. What the fuck? Look at that one. That's a flower?

That's a flower. What the fuck? So it avoids predation. What the fuck? Yeah. That is crazy. They look like hummingbirds, and hummingbirds eat bugs. Oh my God.

In the wild. That is super fucked up. And what's the definition of that? I mean, what is the explanation for that? There is not one. I've looked into it. They don't exactly know. It's got to be some evolutionary type.

Well, some of it, like there you see Forrest Galante says some of it is coincidence. He's a biologist. Some of it is biomimicry. And most interestingly, some of it means to signal to other species to visit the flower to help pollinate. Botany is one of the fields where we think we know everything and we have barely scratched the surface. Yeah. The idea that there's biomimicry would somehow or another suggest that these things can see. That's what's crazy.

I don't understand. Like, yeah, 100%. Like, what does that even fucking mean see. That's what's crazy. I don't understand. Like, yeah, 100%. Like, what does that even fucking mean? Go back to those first images. Like, biomimicry. Like, it's a fucking plant. Go back to that one. Like, that is so clearly a bird.

I know. Like, that doesn't even make sense. Biomimicry. Like, how does a plant be like, you know what? I'm going to change how I look over time to look like a bird. What the? It's so, like, bizarre. It's so bizarre.

And the fact that it's common. I mean, there's multiple species. Well, yeah, there's, like, a bunch of different kinds, like, super clearly look like birds. Does this one go to the other one, the first image? This is another one. That is insane. That looks exactly like. It has eyeballs, man. man i mean it has a beak

that's yellow it has the face that's white it has eyeballs that are that are black it's wild it looks so much like a bird it's very very interesting and honestly i think it's for the like pollination because then the bird touches it and then it it goes, spreads it. Well, birds don't really pollinate. It's generally insects. Oh, is it? I don't know anything about it. I don't think birds pollinate, do they? I think it's mostly bees.

Maybe not. But the point is that somehow or another, this plant figured out a way to pretend that it's a bird. Yeah. For whatever the reason is. That's super messed up. So that's what I use Instagram for. That makes full circle bird. Yeah. For whatever the reason is. That's super messed up. So that's what I use Instagram for. That makes full circle.

Full circle. But I think it's something where you can kind of like share that. Look at that one. That's wild. That is crazy. Bird shaped magnolia. Why? Bird head magnolia.

Wild. It looks so much like birds. So beautiful. That one's a little abstract. I was just thinking, it's not the angle because some of these obviously definitely look like birds. No, there's like a bunch, though. That's like, yeah.

The one that I showed, the top right one, upper right-hand corner. That is crazy. That one is the most crazy because the face is like the beak and the eyeballs. It's so like a bird. I mean, even the way they're perched on the branches where a bird would be sitting. Biomimicry is so bizarre. Well, it's bizarre when you see octopi doing it

in the bottom of the sea, but it makes sense. Wait, what do they do? They mimic the walls of the coral completely, where they look exact. Cuttlefish do it too. And they mimic it in order to hide from predators and to hide from their prey. So they can just sit there and chill,

and then when something swims by, they can reach out and grab it. That's crazy. And they change color or change? Change everything. Change texture. You ever seen? I'm not sure I've seen that.

Pull up images of octa. I did not know about this until my friend Remy, my friend Remy Warren, used to have this television show. What was it called? The Predator. Apex Predator, I think it was called. And what it was about, the show was basically about watching how predators pursue their prey and all the different tactics and skills that they use. And he would try to either mimic them or try to figure out what are the limitations of a human when they try to do what a wolf does when it chases down a pack of elk. And one of the things that he did was try to figure out what an octopus does to hunt.

And he came on the show and was talking to me about it. He goes, dude, they're fucking aliens. He goes, they're so different than everything else. First of all, they're really intelligent to the point where they can solve puzzles. They can open up jars. Like if you put food inside of a jar. They can squish really like ridiculously weird. Yeah, really tiny.

So watch this. I mean, these things can totally pretend to be their environment. So they assume the texture. Wow. Yeah, they can not just assume. It's exactly the same as the thing surrounding it. So it's not just assuming the coral reef's colors. It's assuming the texture of the coral reef, which is so bizarre.

So they can change the surface of their skin both in color and in texture and depth. It's wild. There's a bunch of them, though. There's one of them where see. Cuttlefish are maybe even perhaps more impressive. Pull up a cuttlefish. What are cuttlefish? It's a type of cephalopod. It's real similar

to an octopus or a squid. Yeah, amazing cuttlefish. Life on the reef. Have you ever gone scuba diving with this stuff? Do you do that kind of stuff? No, I've never done scuba diving. I've done snorkeling before.

Yeah, but these things, watch how it does this. So they're swimming along, and then look, it just changes colors. What the fuck? Yeah, dude. I mean, it's alien. That is insane. And watch when it comes to another place. It'll find another place where it seems like it can kind of blend in and hide,

and then it'll adapt its colors to that place. So not only can it see what's below it, but it can mimic it. That is insane. Watch how it does it, though, when it gets near this coral. It's crazy. And it does it no matter what it crosses over. They did one. google cuttlefish over chessboard they did one where they tried to put one over a checkered chess to see it like

yeah and it panicked it's like what is this and you see it try to imitate the squares and it's kind of freaked out trying to figure out what the the squares are and how to how to imitate because you're imitating something that doesn't exist in the ocean, which is right angles. Right angles and very peculiar patterns. Yeah, black. And symmetry. Solid black.

Yeah. White. And solid symmetry too. So watch this. So here's the cuttlefish. The cuttlefish is trying to figure out what is going on here. It tries to... Oh, that's interesting.

Isn't that crazy how it uses its skin? See, it's trying to figure out how to be that black and white. What the fuck? Yeah, it doesn't exactly know what to do. That is crazy. But look how it developed. Go back a little bit. Look what it's doing right there.

It's making it like a zebra. So it knows there's black and white but it doesn't have the ability to develop those right angles in its repertoire wow that is nuts isn't it crazy how it became a part of that couch yeah just so bizarre it's so bizarre to me that there's like my understanding maybe you know better me like thousands or tens of thousands of species that we just don't even like know about. Oh, yeah. Like in the ocean that it's just sort of like. Yeah.

Oh, the ocean is a treasure trove of that. Like they find something and then it's just like, oh, here's a thing we've never known about. Like that, it just feels to me like that shouldn't be the case, like that we've found everything. Well, we definitely haven't even explored 90-something percent. I think we've explored 10% of the ocean. See if that's correct. If I had to guess, I think that's what the most recent estimate is that we've explored somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the ocean.

That's bizarre to me. It's so big. It's three-quarters of the earth. But it's still like... It's three-quarters of the earth, and we can't still like it's three quarters of the earth and we can't breathe in it it kind of makes sense yeah it's amazing we've explored 10 that's true i mean what the fuck are we we have submarines and we go down you know it's just yeah i mean it but they there's a bunch of stuff that they still find also in sort of like african places like that too don't

they like kind of tree frogs and things and stuff like that and in the rainforest and like crazy shit like that like i don't know it's just it's just mind-boggling we're up to maybe 20 because more than 80 of the ocean is unmapped so oh reverse math says yeah that's mapped um you know like mapped and explored like it's there's a difference between our understanding of like what's the surface and the depth and how to map it out versus knowing all the biology that's under the surface of the water do you fish or not really yeah you're into that i love fishing yeah what kind of like fishing is there anything in particular that you like like fishing for just

i like all kinds of i like fresh water just? I like all kinds. I like freshwater, saltwater. I like all kinds of fishing. And is it like sort of normal or like crazy marlin? No, I like things I eat, you know? If I catch something, I want to eat something. More like chill, like sort of just kind of going out in a boat and fishing or whatever. Yeah, it's fun. It's just a thing I do with my kids too.

My kids enjoy fishing. Whenever we go on a vacation, we try to get some fishing in. I don't. See, that's another thing where it's like I don't know how to do all the hooks and stuff. It's not hard. It's like my kid had a fishing pole, and it just got all tangled up real fast. Well, you learn. It's not complicated.

Morons know how to do it. That's true. Think about what you know with all these 3D programs, you know? But when things get tangled up too, I get really frustrated and it's just like, okay, god damn it. The key to that stuff is to not ever let it get to the point of being tangled. So you have to think about it. It's called a bird's nest when it gets all tangled up in a reel. But it's way worse with a casting reel

see with most most people have what's called a spinning reel or a spin casting reel you press a button and just let go of it or you pull the thing back that you pull the that's what this was but it was like a ten dollar one so it's just probably like a total piece of shit you just need to get someone to show you how to do it. And then, you know, with bait casting is you have to actually feather it with your thumb. So what you do is you hold your thumb down on the reel and then you cast. It's more accurate, though. And then you can kind of control how far it goes with the pressure you put. On the line?

On the line. Oh, that's on the line. That's what's, like, keeping it from, like, going. I see. That's interesting but when you let it go just let it go let it go it spins out it spins out of control and then it gets fucked because then it becomes it's called a bird's nest where it's all just like chaos yeah yeah but that's that's the my favorite way to fish with with uh bait casting reels because

it's so accurate so like if you're fishing for bass and you're near, say, a shore and you're casting into where these lily pads are, a good angler who's really good with a bait casting reel can kind of place the lure pretty close. Yeah, we were real good. And it depends upon the weight of the lure and the pound test of the line that has a factor. And it's one of those things you develop a feel for.

Like if you had a bag of rocks and they were all the same weight and you just threw a rock and you're like, all right, I threw it this hard, it goes that far. If I threw it this hard, and after a while you would get a sense, okay, now I know how far that rock's going to go. Sure. Like a baseball is going to go. Sure. Like a baseball is a perfect example. Yeah.

Right? A baseball is a uniform size, a uniform weight, and you know that if you throw it at a certain way, it's going to go a certain distance. And people get super accurate with it, right? Pitchers are fucking super accurate with baseballs. You can eventually get pretty fucking accurate with a bait casting rod once you get, but it's a developed thing. It's like you've developed this ability to do digital art.

Some people have developed this ability to do fishing. Sure. Yeah, no, do you fish like around here? Is there like a lot of like good places? Yeah, Texas is a great place for bass fishing. Yeah. Yeah, we've got like a little pond

behind our house. Like I don't know if it's like a retention pond or something. And sometimes we'll go out there with like an apple and like try and fish in there. With an apple? Yeah, just like I don't know. Why are you using an apple? Just because, again, like, dude, I don't know anything about this shit. It's like a $10 fucking like thing that it's just like. But then you have the worms. Like you've got to like put it on the thing. I don't know anything about this shit. It's like a $10 fucking, like, thing that it's just like.

But then, you know, the worms, like, you got to, like, put it on the thing. I don't really want to put the things through the worm. I feel, like, bad. You feel bad? They don't even notice it. I know, but it's just kind of like, and it's just kind of nasty to me, too, if I'm being honest. It's like I don't really. That's why you get fish, though.

You cast, catch the fish. It's exciting. So we've thrown the wood, the apple chunks into the thing. The fish will bite them a little bit, but there's no chance in hell we're ever going to catch a fish. No? You're wasting time? I don't.

Do you think we're going to catch a fish with these apple chunks? Not with that attitude. How long do you usually go fishing before you catch something? It depends on where you go. Some places it just takes a few minutes. Oh, really? Yeah, and if you know what you're doing. I could do that.

Well, also if you're using bait, right? If you're in a pond and you're using bait, not that hard, man. You get a piece of worm, you put it on a hook, you have a bobber, you cast out. Your kids will love it. And the bobber's fun, too, because you see the bobber moving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did it it my dad took me as like a kid it's just sort of like i'm i don't know i just don't know that stuff like it is and we'll we'll go out with my dad sometimes and using apples for bait apples work great oh yeah that's the thing i don't think they're put on the like hook

right apples work great for bait? There's multiple sides to saying it. Really? Yeah. Interesting. I wonder what you catch. What kind of fish you catch with apples. This one says catfish.

Oh, that makes sense. This one says carp will eat it. Carp makes sense. They eat vegetables or they eat plant matter. I don't know what type of fish these are. These are probably like nasty, like fucking like. Maybe they're not. Maybe you're judgmental.

They're small though. Sunfish. They're probably sunfish yeah i think if you saw this body of water you would probably think they were nasty crazy video on uh tim kennedy's instagram of this guy going fishing let me see if i can find it i'll send it to you jamie maybe you can find it it's uh the guy's fishing and as he's fishing a fucking and it's not a big place, a fucking enormous catfish comes up and grabs the lure. I mean, it looks like the catfish is seven feet long and, like, 250, 300 pounds. It's so big.

Those catfish are crazy, and the people who, like, grab them or whatever, I've seen some of those videos on, like, TikTok. It's called noodling. Oh, my God. That of those videos on like TikTok. It's called noodling. Oh my God. That is just like insane. Like they're just like going into the mud and like just like picking up the fucking fish. Well, it's more wild than that because they let their hands in there and they're basically like finding these holes where the catfish are burrowed into and they're feeling around. And sometimes they get their hand in there and a snapping turtle's in there and they lose fingers.

Oh, Jesus Christ. I didn't know that was like a fucking like risk of this shit. Hold, please. We'll show you some of that. So first thing I want you to do is pull up that fishing video. Did you got it? I'm not found it. You're not found it?

I'll find it real quick. Would you ever do something like that? Oh, no. I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in losing fingers that definitely i mean i didn't realize that was like gloves maybe i have some kevlar gloves they've got to have like gloves or some like special thing they can like wear something to like protect their hands i'm assuming uh i would hope. Where are they doing this? No, they don't do that. They just get their fucking hand in there. Okay, well, that's...

They just do it. I don't think... Where are they doing this? In, like, Missouri or Louisiana or some shit? All over the place. The South, for sure. Did he remove it from his Instagram? Let's see how long ago this was what's today's date yeah i got back

pretty far i didn't see anything i don't think it's that far so today is uh december 7th 13th i can't think quite off i think i. You're quite off. I think I'm talking at the same time. Let me find this fucking. It's a video of what now? It's a video of a catfish. Oh, that he like grabbed? Yeah. I know I sent it to someone, but I can't remember who. Oh, I know I sent it to my friend Cam.

Hold on. Hope, please. Yeah, we used to go, like as a kid, my dad would take us very occasionally. My grandpa would, like, take us. And I think we were catching, like, perch or something like that in Michigan and, like, Wisconsin. But it's definitely been a while. Well, it's one of those things. I mean, if you want to do it, it's here. I found it.

I'll send it to you, Jimmy. Why didn't it do that? Hold on. Oh, it's been removed. That's why. Huh. Thanks, Obama. Catfish steals.

No, look, you can see it in the window, but you can't click on it. For whatever reason, you can still see it in my phone in the window. It's not helping everybody else. Oh, my God. Yeah, exactly. What the fuck? What the fuck? It's so big.

Yeah. I wonder why the video's removed. It's like a fucking, like, Jesus Christ. That is massive. That's like a fucking like, Jesus Christ, that is massive. That's like a fucking horror film shit. Oh my God, that's a big catfish. It's crazy huge. Wow.

Isn't it weird, Jamie, that you can still see it on my phone in the window? But then when you click on it, it looks like the link is dead. No, it says it's been removed. Maybe it was removed and that's just a cached version of it. It must be. That's crazy. That is no fucking joke. But it's annoying because cached version of it. It must be. That's crazy. That is no fucking joke. But it's annoying.

Because when I click on it, I get this. Nothing. Yeah, that is. Fucking technology. Somebody probably owns it. Like an NFT. That could be. That could be.

Oh, here it is. Oh, here it is. This is it. So watch this. Karna Fishing Family. Watch this. Oh, my God. Boom.

Look at the size of that fucking thing. Loch Ness Monster Catfish. Sorry, I got a viral video here. Oh, so you know what it is? They probably want everybody going to their Instagram page or their YouTube page. So the YouTube page is Karna Fishing Family. And so they're catching, what does it say they're catching? Just catfish?

Yeah, it says Loch Ness Monster Catfish. Yeah, that's the name of the video. But they're catching a bunch of catfish. That's a smaller catfish. And then somewhere along, so they're catching some pretty good sized ones, which is interesting because catfish, generally speaking, usually hunt with bait or usually fish with bait. That's a pretty big one right there.

Back up so you can see. But what they're doing is using lures. So these catfish must be active predators. Pretty cool. But then in the end, you see this fucking bonkers one. Not that one. That one's pretty big. I'm not seeing it.

It's not in there? Unless they like baited it with that very first one again, but I watched their long video maybe. Grow all the way to the back. I did. To the end right there. What's that right there? Click there. That's not it?

No. Definitely not. Huh. Oh, these fucks. So it's not even in there. It's somewhere, but it's definitely at the beginning oh there it is so it's only at the very beginning

so it's almost like it's not really there that is definitely crazy though whatever it's um large fish the end but do you have a desire to learn these things?

Not really The why half asset Yeah it's one of these things Well I feel bad because it's like My kid likes it Occasionally You can hire somebody like a fishing guide And then they do all the work

Yeah I would like to do that Go and do deep sea fishing or something do that, like kind of like go and do like deep sea fishing or something like that. Yeah. We'll do something like that. Or you can, they have people that do that in freshwater fishing too. Yeah, that'd be cool. Like I would like to like do those things because I find them like interesting

to sort of like learn about these things that I know nothing about, but it's sort of, it's not something I am going to go do myself. Exactly. But I like going on, even like a hunting thing like that, like I would never really go hunting myself. But honestly, I wouldn't mind going on a hunting like trip with somebody just to sort of like learn about it because it's so – it's just something I know nothing about.

So it's like very like interesting to me to learn this sort of like subculture and sort of rituals and techniques behind it. This is a barracuda that my kid caught. Jesus Christ. Yeah, isn't that awesome? You can't eat those though. It's as big as her. That's huge. Yeah, she was pretty pumped.

But they take those... Oh, wait a minute. That is not a barracuda. Is that a wahoo? Yeah, that's a wahoo. Where was that? That's a wahoo, sorry. My other kid not a barracuda. Is that a wahoo? Yeah, that's a wahoo. Where was that? That's a wahoo, sorry. My other kid caught a barracuda. That was in Hawaii.

The thing about the barracuda is you can't eat it. So they would use it for bait to catch other fish. Because barracuda, apparently they eat so many fish that they're toxic. Oh, really? Oh, the mercury or whatever is so high. I don't know if it's mercury. I don't know what it is but there's something about there's a possibility that's fairly high that you can get they're actually toxic okay i don't know why because most fishy fish so it's weird that like

that one would be yeah i know i know i don't know that much about it i don't honestly eat fish that much but like i know some some have some mercury or some shit where if you eat too much. That does happen with people that eat too much sushi. If you get crazy and eat sushi all day every day, you can get sick. Yeah, yeah. I don't know that much about it. But, yeah, I'd like to do stuff like that because it's definitely – it's just a cool experience. And it's sort of like – I don't know.

definitely it's just a cool experience and it's sort of like i don't know are you overwhelmed time wise with uh this day-to-day commitment of producing art because you produce one piece every day and do you do everything solo this is a question that jamie actually had do you have people that work for you that help you create these things yeah now we do um i definitely because i've been starting to build like physical things like this. So my brother works with me now. He was like an engineer at Boeing and he quit his job when this shit started blowing up like a year ago. And so he's been like working with me and sort of like making like, I don't know. Did you see that human one thing that I did? It's like a big sort of like box that's like rotating with like a bunch of like screens on it.

Yes, I did see that. So that. Pull that up, Jamie. rotating with like a bunch of like screens on it yes i did see that so that pull that up jamie that is like a big like sort of like you know seven foot tall sort of like structure that that um you know he engineered and we've got like a there it is pretty like 50 000 square foot space in charleston where we're building out like a gallery and building out all kinds of like crazy shit like fucking crazy robot shit. That's dope. Yeah, there's going to be some fucking weird shit, dude.

We've got some like fucking crazy shit planned that's sort of like, again, moving into the like sort of like physical realm to make like using technology to make art that I don't think anybody else is going to make unless I do it. Nobody else is like, I need to make this fucking weirdo pervert shit so i feel like i'm the only one doing it it is weirdo pervert shit do people just

psychologically try to examine you like like what is wrong with you that's a funny thing that like people uh they bring so much and i'm sure it's no different with comedy that people bring so much of their own experience to this thing that they think they know what it means and it's sort of like you'd i honestly a lot of the times i don't even fucking know what it means i'll make something and it's like that's pretty fucked up and like even i'm kind of like i don't even know why the fuck i made it fully right and for other people then to come in and be like this is exactly what it means it's like i don't even know what the fuck it means what the fuck are you talking about like that's what happened in your life and you're interpreting it

and just assuming a bunch of shit like and a lot of the pieces are very sort of like ambiguous and they don't have a clear sort of think this don't think that sort of like message they're just more they're wild to be like just okay clinton inside donald trump's body it doesn't what does that mean i don't fucking know what that means like that doesn't have like an inherent sort of like oh that means this right if it is i don't know what that is and so it is funny to see people like this is exactly what he means by this and i'm pissed off but you can't pay attention to that but that's the thing about putting out art is it's going to be open to interpretation there's nothing you can do about that it's just yeah and to me it's sort of like it is what it is and like it doesn't really like

bother me and sort of like I recognize that I'm not trying to offend people I'm not trying to hurt people creating art I'm just trying to like sort of like do what say what I want to say and I very very sincerely hope it brightens people's days like why would I want to piss people off does it do people say things that make you think that it pisses people off oh definitely pisses a lot of people off what does piss people off when I make fun of Trump that pisses a shitload of people off and when I make that's like you know what that's the other side to pisses people off or when i i post some sexual thing people think they know what it means and it pisses them off and they think they're interpreting all this shit and it's like

guys it's just a bunch of dicks i don't know what even that means like what are you talking about like it's just even i it's just a bunch of fucking dicks i just made some dicks like we don't need to like there's no way you could know what that means i don't even fucking know what it means just a bunch of techno dicks like but isn't it funny though that people want to look into it and decide who you are and what you mean and have all these value judgments 100 and it's sort of like it's very bizarre because it's like they'll say things about me and it's like I'm sure you experience the same thing it feels like

out of body where it's like that's not me who the fuck are you even talking about if I can help you with that you can't worry about what other people think about you you can kind of take it in a little bit and try to think maybe there's the venom the venom yeah maybe I'm

also putting something out there in a way that people are getting a negative impression of me or the wrong impression of me. But a lot of those people are just choosing to do that. There's some people that choose the least charitable interpretation of everything you do, no matter what. Yes, 100%. You have to realize that most of what that is, is people judging you at scale, right? What do you mean?

At scale. There's so many people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because there's so many people, a certain percentage of them will always not like you. Right. Yeah, 100%. I've kind of accepted that, that it's sort of like, okay, if you have a million people love you, there's going to be 10,000 people that fucking hate you, period.

That's it. Especially now when they know that you're ridiculously wealthy from this stuff and that all these crazy things you've generated are now very popular and then they can hate you because they knew you when they you know you were nothing or when you were unknown people love tearing down someone who they used to love too. That's a weird thing. They love, you're going to get artists for sure that now look at you and your success and they're angry at your success. And so then they'll say that you're contributing to the patriarchy or contributing to the fucking, the,

you know, the, the disgusting upper class that's ruling the earth, and you're mocking things with humor that really should be, you should be an activist, and you should be doing what you're doing. But this is just what comes with volume. Yeah. You have millions and millions of people paying attention to your stuff now.

Yeah. And it's something that I've had to deal with with this show. It's something that I've had to deal with with just life in general. There's just a certain amount of people. The thing is, do the reasonable people who are intelligent and kind and have a charitable sense of the world, do they have a problem with what you're doing? Most of them don't. Most of the people who, like myself, look at your stuff and go, this is crazy.

What the fuck is he doing? And they think it's cool. And they look at your stuff and they think this guy is really interesting and creative. And I was looking forward to meeting you. I was like, this guy's got to be a wacko. And you are, look at you, look at you in the best sense. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. People are looking to get upset too much. And to those people, I say, go outside and exercise, please, please just do something that blows off that steam. There's more productive ways of using your time than to get really angry at someone who makes art.

A hundred percent. And that's the thing that it's sort of like when I see people getting, you know, sort of attacking artists or attacking comedians or this or that. And it's sort of like there's so much worse shit going on in the world. Like that it's sort of like, I don't know. Like especially when a lot of times these people are trying to make the world like that it's sort of like yeah i don't know like especially when a lot of times these people are are trying to make the world a better place it's sort of like had they have very good intentions and sort of like my intentions are very good with this i'm really trying to like brighten people's day and sort of like you know sort of brighten the world and sort of push things

forward and and you know kind of make it a better place and sort of, I don't know. It's like we were saying earlier about stand-up. It's that the exchange is really beautiful. Like, they come out to see you. You do all the work necessary to put on a show, and they have a good time, and it's a great exchange. Yeah. And the same thing with podcasts.

It's a great exchange. You do your best, and then they enjoy it, and it becomes a part of their commute or their workout. Sure. You know, they're listening to you, and it's entertaining great exchange. You do your best and then they enjoy it and it becomes a part of their commute or their workout. They're listening to you. It's entertaining. That's a great exchange. And that's how a lot of people are going to see it. But there's always going to be people that are upset that you don't share their ideology.

Or there's always going to be people upset because they take the least charitable position or the least charitable interpretation of your position. Yeah. Just life, baby. You got to just accept the fact now that you're big time, you're going to have a lot of haters. It's definitely and it's honestly something that doesn't bother me because I know my intentions with this artwork. And I know my intention is not to hurt people with it. It's not to offend people. It's always to brighten people's days or. The people that are getting offended are the idiots.

They're just idiots. If they're getting offended at your stuff, they either enjoy it or they don't. That's it. If you're getting offended and upset by it, go look in a fucking mirror. What's wrong with you? That's the thing. I can see how people could get offended by it because like some of it could be offensive. The dicks.

The dicks, whatever. Like, yeah, it's dicks. It's like – but sometimes people are offended by swearing. And it's sort of like. Why would they be offended by dicks? Does that really bother you? Well, they are jizzy. No, it doesn't bother me.

They're very jizzy dicks. They are jizzy dicks. They are jizzy. This guy knows what I'm talking about. I don't think I've ever heard that expression before. I think I made that expression up for the first time. They're pretty jizzy dicks. They are pretty.

Have you ever heard the expression jizzy dicks? You know, I haven't, but it is accurate. I will say it's accurate. There it is. Hello. Hello. Like I can see like how you could be offended by this. I can't.

And it's sort of like, I get that. That's my hope and dream. But it's one of these things where I didn't do this to offend. This was sort of like imagining if Donald Trump in the future. But this was sort of like imagining if Donald Trump in the future. No, like he was like forced, like a machine that was like forced to keep giving birth to like babies. But the baby's Hillary. But the baby is Hillary and the baby kept coming out all fucked up. And so he's continuing to have to like give birth to these like fucked up, like deformed babies.

Is it because he only thinks about Hillary? Hillary's on his brain constantly? It's more just like humans have like, like we've got a super fucked up political sort of like system where it's sort of like that it's like kind of like all. I like that other one with the cheeseburger in the middle of his brain. He sliced his brain open. There's a cheeseburger in there.

So this is kind of like assuming we've got these like machines in the future that are like out in the middle of the field that are sort of like processing food and like feeding it to pigs and it kind of like slowly closes on this like you put in like a cheeseburger and it slowly comes out as food for like pigs over like a course

of like a long period of time. So it's definitely. What a strange. There's quite a bit of fucked up shit. And I can see how you could be offended by that. Trump versus Biden in a boxing match. So this was right after the first... Debate.

Debate, yeah. Oh my God, look how obese you made Trump and sexless. That's what I love. Naked and genderless. Well, and that's the thing too. A lot of times I will sort of... If you look at the one next to it, where it's got this Kim Jong-un sort of thing.

These are my favorite. What the fuck is that? But that's the thing. And sort of trying to play with gender in this weird way that even I don't understand because that is such a prevalent theme in society right now. Gender is something that we spend a lot of time talking about. And so with pictures like that, it's part of it, but it's part of it in a way that honestly even I don't even understand what it means.

It's just sort of like, here's a mixing and matching a bunch of sort of like genders and sort of like, how does this make you feel? I don't know. Like, how does it make me feel? I don't know. Well, you know, that's what Douglas Murray, who's a British intellectual, very fascinating guy, he said on my podcast. It's a really interesting point. He said, whenever civilizations are crumbling, they become obsessed with gender.

He said it happened in ancient Greece, ancient Rome. That's very interesting. Yeah. They, men become women, women become men. They swap roles in places. That happened in, like, Rome? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, they became obsessed with gender. They swapped roles in places. That happened in like Rome? Yeah.

Yeah, they became obsessed with gender. And it becomes a theme. And I'm like, why do you think that is? And I don't think he had a clear reason, but I think the idea is that they just start dissolving all of the predetermined boundaries that we've set out for our society. Because almost like things are, we've become so strange.

It's definitely that doesn't bode well for us. That does not bode well for us. Unless we like that future. That's our future. That's our future. But listen, man, we just did three hours, believe it or not. Jesus Christ, are you serious? Yeah.

Oh, my God. What the fuck? Time flies, bro. Jesus Christ. Thank you very much for this thing. What would I call this? This piece of art. Artwork.

This piece of artwork. It's fucking dope. And the underwear. Appreciate that. The underwear. I hope you enjoyed the scotch. Yeah, dude. Thank you for having me.

Super, super appreciate it, man. Such a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of you as well. Tell people your website, where they can go. And it's Beeple crap. Beeple where they can go and it's BeepleCrap Beeple underscore crap? What is it? Beeple, yeah. I think it's Beeple dash crap.

Beeple dash crap on Instagram. It's Beeple underscore crap on Instagram and I think it's Beeple dash crap is the website. Maybe just Google Beeple. You'll find it. You'll find it. Not at work. Don't do it at work. Don't get fired because of me. Don't get fired because of him or me. I got to do my disclaimer.

Thank you very much, man. I really had a good time. Thank you. Bye, everybody. Peace.