The Joe Rogan Experience - #1760 - Adam Curry

Episode Date: January 8, 2022

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast.

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I have much man love for you, bud. I have much man love for you. If it wasn't for you, this business would not exist. Well. You're the fucking patient zero, my brother. I appreciate you saying that. It's true. Without you, without you, holy shit, I wouldn't have been recertified. Someone needed to know. Highly appreciated, holy shit, I wouldn't have been recertified. Someone needed to know.

It's highly appreciated, man. Go through the archives. Without you, you are the one. How's Texas treating you? It's been what now? Is it two years? No, no, no. It's a year and a half.

Year and a half. Yeah, year and a half. You like it? Fucking love it. Good. Your kids? Everybody loves it. Yeah, good.

Love the people here. I love the fact that it gets cold It's cold out today. I love the changing of the weather. I love the fucking animals every we have actual seasons people Oh, yeah, we got seasons here. Oh, Texas gets cold as fuck. It was in the 20s last night When I left Hill Country this morning 18. Yeah, it's whoo. Yeah with some wind factor Yeah, I was it's cold out here last year, I was like, okay. Now, you didn't lose power, right? No, we got lucky.

We got lucky. No, you're on the rich side. I was on the east side. They turned that shit off right away. Oh, no, my rich friends lost their fucking power. My friend's way richer than me. He lost his power. Oh, really?

Yeah. Where was he? He's in Westlake, I guess. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, Westlake. We were southeast before. Man, where the Section 8 apartments man, that shit, where the,

where the section eight apartments are, that shit got turned off right away. Yeah. We got a generator now because of that. Yeah. It was a little sketchy. Ours is getting installed next week. Yeah.

A whole house generator. You know, it's, it's nice to have food too. You know, I always have food stockpiled cause I'm a hunter. I gotta, I gotta tell you,

man, food intelligence is, is, has got to be the buzzword for the next couple of years. Food intelligence is a good buzzword. Because people, well, first of all, just look at us post-COVID or Omicron now, whatever. We're pretty sick people. Americans are pretty unhealthy.

Yeah, overall. In general. Yeah, for sure. It's a real problem. And we've let it slide. We don't know what we're eating anymore. We just don't know what we're eating anymore. We just don't. And, you know, there's a lot of things happening with food, and you'll appreciate this.

The meat processors, they have no intention of really continuing actual beef and other real meat. They are all moving towards processing soy, et cetera, creating creating i can't believe it's not burger the fake meat the fake really all of them are doing that all of them but isn't that stock down in that beyond burger stuff or beyond meat stuff you got it's much so those are just the brands but go look at really the food process there's only a couple of them we have jbs i think the biggest one is Cargill I love talking about Cargill because they're like a secretive family the kind of like succession oh that's or actually like this or like the Sackler's the same

thing you know which ones the Sackler's Purdue Pharma okay who helped kill a hundred thousand people at least this year this year right by the way isn't it interesting that did you uh on hulu there's a fantastic uh dope series dope sick i've heard about it i have not watched it yet what's great about michael keaton produced it so kudos to him what's great about it is it shows how corrupt the fda is how all the systems work how evil this family was unfortunately it feels a lot like okay we've dealt with it the The Sacklers are done. They paid five, $6 billion. No one's in jail. If you look at the actual fines, Johnson and Johnson,

they paid $25 billion in fines. They did? Because they were four times as worse. The Sacklers are just being pushed aside as, okay, those were the assholes. They did it. But meanwhile, 100,000 people OD'd from opioids. I was under the impression, I guess I'm wrong, that the biggest one was Pfizer. Wasn't the biggest one, the biggest fine Pfizer for a while for that anti-inflammatory drug? That's different, but we're talking about opioids specifically. Oh, so it's not like just pharmaceutical company fines? No, this is just opioids. Yeah. Okay, so they fine people for lying about pharmaceutical drugs and then fine people.

It's a different thing, like a different categorization? Because they were saying that that was the biggest fine for like medical stuff. What are we looking at? 5 billion, landmark 26 billion opioid settlement. Yeah. Whoa. But it sounds like more people were involved then. If Johnson & Johnson's paying five billion, who's the other, where's the rest of the 11 million coming from?

Well, I don't know what this article is. 21 million coming from. But I believe Johnson & Johnson paid much more. So there's two parts to it. One is the pharmaceutical companies that were developing it and then— Oh, it says it right here. Because remember, they said it was non-addictive. Right, right, right.

That was the problem. And so when you continue to push that and they were saying, oh, it's not working, up the dose, all of that was a problem. But also Walmart, CVS, and Walgreens, they're now being fined for basically overselling, just being pill mills, legal drugs, Joe, just legal heroin being distributed to unwilling people or unwitting people. So it's saying that this was the whole fine. So it looks like Johnson & Johnson paid five, and then there was another 21. When's this article from, Jamie? I'm not saying this is the whole thing either,

but this is just from July. But I'm pretty sure Johnson & Johnson wanted to pay $25 billion in total. Okay, but let's just read this just for the heck of it, and then we'll figure it out. It just says, under the settlement proposal of three largest U.S. drug distributors,

McKesson Corp., Cardinal Health, and America Source Bergen. That's all one word for some strange reason. America Source Bergen, one word, Corp., are expected to pay a combined $21 billion, while drug maker Johnson & Johnson, which manufactures opioids, would pay $5 billion. Well, the Sacklers aren't even in here, so something is missing from this, and that's Purdue Pharma. They took the fall, for sure. They got the Hulu series, everything. They took the fall, and now it's just like it's over.

No one's talking about it anymore, but the problem still exists. There's this term that everybody uses today, right? And it's influencer. It's a term that they use for like social media people that sell sneakers and you know people that are doing certain things they become influencers yes and uh but the biggest influencer is what is what's in the news and what's accepted like what we tolerate is the big influencer and the people that get to control like what seems normal.

Like if your doctor's like, hey, Adam, you've got a bad back. Let's just accept it and let's deal with the pain. And then he's got you hooked on this stuff and you can't get off and you're literally sick. Your body's shaking. Who's responsible for that? Is it the company that talked the doctor into doing that as a doctor for not looking into it enough and just accepting that people are fine just going out and getting whacked out on pill form heroin I think you have to go

back much further you have to go back towards when modern medicine got funding so this is when we had the homeopaths and then we had the allopaths. And the allopaths got all the money mainly from Rockefellers and a couple of the big rich families of the day. And that all kind of came to a head very quickly. There's a couple of great documentaries about the cure for cancer and how many entrepreneurial doctors, even one rancher in Texas, had really figured it out. I think his clinic still operates in Mexico. People go there. And it's exactly the opposite treatment of what the allopath medicine is, which is basically try and kill all the cells and hope you survive it with radiation or chemotherapy.

and hope you survive it, you know, with radiation or chemotherapy. So once we went down that route, it was very easy for the big families to say, okay, we're going to establish universities where we teach this, which is not necessarily the look at the whole person, what is the person eating, etc. It's like diagnose the problem, prescribe the medication. So this is a problem that has been here. It's throughout the system. There's no education.

It's all just that's what it is. Don't you think no education is a big one? And don't you think it also is a function of doctors having these ridiculous student loan bills and they get out of school and they're in debt hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes? It's capture. And then they're in this system where they're trying to get people in and out of their office as quick as possible. It's capture. Yeah.

A really good doctor should be sitting down with you and talking to you for a long time. You're trying to figure out what's wrong with your body. The idea that he could do that in 15, 20 minutes and just write a thing. So you're suicidal now because of that one? Okay, let's throw that one away. We're going to give you this one, Adam. I think this might do the trick. And next thing you know, you're on this new thing. So you're suicidal now because of that one? Okay, let's throw that one away. We're going to give you this one, Adam. I think this might do the trick. And next thing you know, you're on this new thing. Well, we're in a good place now, I think, in the United States. The rest of the world, I'm not so sure, but we're very entrepreneurial. Yes. I mean, the French

had to make up a word for us. It's like, we're so entrepreneurial. And we're in, I mean, the French had to make up a word for us. You know, it's like we're so entrepreneurial. And we're in, I think, a big decentralization moment where people are leaving big tech platforms. And that's going off towards more decentralized, smaller things that interconnect in some way. Travel is actually starting to unravel. You know, we're getting new technology. New aircraft will be much cheaper for smaller groups and more effective to fly in, but also medicine. We're seeing a lot of health care workers, nurses, doctors, leaving the systems and off-the-shelf technology, doing their own telemedicine, concierge health care,

where they only take 500 patients from the community, charge them $100 a month, and as much time as you need or as often as you need. And really they build up a profile like doctors should do. Functional medicine is a part of this. So this is happening across schooling. Parents are taking their kids out of school. They're creating their own school. They're doing homeschooling.

That's been going on for a while with charter schools, but I think we'll see even more smaller community schooling. Everything is decentralizing. We're moving away, the smart people, I think, we're moving away from the big box stores, you know? It's like people are literally getting sick from the shit in there. Literally.

Literally getting sick from the shit that's being sold there. So people are going back. And I think that coming back to food intelligence, China right now is hoarding grain. They supply 60% of the world's grain. They've been hoarding it for a while, actually, maybe a year and a half, two years. So we're going to have a shortage, a global shortage. The meat processors, they're not interested in really using livestock anymore. It's just a lot more profitable. And we're training people, you know, oh, now it's an amazing thing. And, you know, is it Burger King or someone just came out with, you know, new soy McNuggets. You know,

we're being kind of pushed into this. And all we know is we put it in our face, it has the same texture, it tastes the right way. And the profits are much better. So that's where people are starting to reach out and say, well, you know, why don't I go meet a rancher one day and, People are starting to reach out and say, well, you know, why don't I go meet a rancher one day and a local processor? It's not USDA. They can't get that. But in Texas, you're allowed to sell your meat directly without USDA stamp, one of the few states. Vegetables, all this stuff, we're going to have to figure it out because we're going to have shortages. I think we're going to have some serious food shortages.

It'll be weird. Like bread might not show up or something else will happen But we're gonna have shortages. Well, we have a bunch of problems, right? One of the big ones is large population centers aren't self sustainable entirely not Yeah, they need food shipped into them. They need which is really foods in a cheese It's really weird. If you think about the size of like a New York City, it's enormous, right? There's so many people. It's a perfect place because the buildings are stacked on top of each other, and everything

is like, when you're there, you're like, ah! There's so much fucking energy in this place. But nothing's, I mean, very little is getting grown in terms of food. Nothing. Very little. Nothing. Definitely not enough to sustain it. So you got to keep shipping things in.

So you got to keep the roads good, because you're always just bringing things in on boats and bringing things in on trucks. Everything has to come in. I mean, one of the cool things about watching a video about a really good restaurant is seeing them going to meet the fish as the fish are coming in off the boats. Yeah. Everything has to get there. Yeah.

Someone's got to deliver something. They got to go to a farmer's market and get these big crates from someone way the fuck away who grew the food and brought them in who grew the we used to have a fish Market, you know, which became very popular to live, you know in in New York It literally was the the fish market and the shit came in the guys were Slicing shit up and moving it out in the middle of the night. It was a dangerous place to be Lots of hookers in that neighborhood. It was cool as shit And now it's like, you know million dollar one one-bedroom apartments there those are hard men that

fillet fish all day oh yeah those are hard fucking men that is a hard job that's a real fucking job and you're seeing that too you know kids are looking around and their parents are saying you know maybe not go to college maybe go to vocational school learns learn learn learn to trade. There's plenty of be Entrepreneurial yeah seeing a lot of that so you're you're an optimist always always That's good because there's a lot of people that share your perspective that there's some serious fucking things that are wrong I know I wanted to talk about like the grain thing first of all did not I've never heard the China grain thing I only learned it recently myself

Yeah, it's it says according to data from the US Department of Agriculture I've never heard the China grain thing. I only learned it recently myself. Yeah. It says, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, China is expected to have 69% of the globe's maize reserves. I like how they use the Native American term. Maize. It's like cinema. It's maize. It's not corn.

It's so open-minded. In the first half of crop year 2022, 60% of its rice and 51% of its wheat. Here's my thing. You can keep all that shit because it's not good for you anyway. How about that? Well, this is another thing. Can we stop with the rapeseed oil and canola oil already? That shit's not good

for you, right? That is industrial sludge, brother, and everyone's cooking with it. It's in everything. Yeah. The market because it's rapeseed oil but now we call it canola oil the marketing has been fantastic is a rough word to sell conscious folk it's have you had any rapeseed well I feel like it when I've had it yeah it's um there's a well-known fact that there's too much grain in a lot of people's diets yeah in terms of like people that eat bread all day and pasta and like come on like that's not something you should have all day like you use for cooking yes for cooking

beef tallow okay cuz most people there was a I think a psyop basically on the American people like oh that's gonna kill you to kill you. You can't use beef protein for your fat for cooking. Because they wanted it. What was the argument? You just have to accept. People are asking. Money. I use avocado oil, too, sometimes.

It's got a high smoke point. The answer is money. It's always money. I mean, look, it's great stuff. And more and more farmers are being incentivized in the United States to grow the last harvest. What exactly does those processed seed oils do that's bad to you? Because there's a lot of people that are like hardcore on it. Like Paul Saladino is very hardcore on it. Rob Wolf's very hardcore on it, I believe.

I hope I'm not misrepresenting his position, but I think a lot of those guys think you should avoid those kind of fats, like those processed seed oils. Here's what I know. The process is number one. Right. I've learned this from my buddy, Texas Slim. That's a great name.

Yes. Well, he kind of came out of semi-retirement. He's a little bit younger. He's about our age, a little younger, to start the Beef Initiative. And so he's setting it up so people are getting connected with, you know, just basically with directly with farmers and food and, you know, using Bitcoin as kind of the common network. He's writing and educating people about food. And one of the most compelling arguments for me, he said, look at pictures of my – because he's a 12th generation Texan or something. He said, look at pictures of my great-great-grandparents. How do they look? You know, they got some shitty-ass clothes on, but they look pretty good.

Yeah. Now go to Houston. How do people look now? So what's the difference? People used to live off of beef in Texas. It's not a great place to grow seeds, but we have the original seeds, the ones that aren't genetically modified. The cattle manure that fertilized the ground, not using artificial stuff, whatever you need know whatever you need to to hyper grow stuff and we looked much better and now go to houston everyone's obese so you know it's got to be at

the intake it's got to be at the input it's not just a sedentary well i think there's a lot of people around here in particular very active a lot of people exercise a lot of young people aren't that healthy looking even in austin it's not all that great. No, no, I don't think so I don't think so. There's certain places that everybody looks pretty fit like Boulder, Colorado is one of them Walk around everybody looks like they hikes Well, they do they do they actually do they mountain bike they hike they seem like they do like like a Active family that has one of them things on the roof, you know those things you got one of those you're active You know, they store their shit in that little-

It's all aerodynamic and stuff. Yeah, like swoop. Just in case they want to bust out the tent, it's up there. It's up there. We get trapped in the woods. That's Boulder, man. That's a big thing with Boulder. Everybody looks pretty fit.

Not everybody, obviously. A buddy of mine is an EMT in Boulder. Where they live in Erie is right near where the fire happened, the recent fire. You know, that was massive. Huge fire. And so he went off to work. He was off, you know, saving shit. And then his wife was packing up the car because he figured they might have to go.

And, of course, they're in Boulder. So she packs everything and throws the skis in just in case. Just in case. Just in case. You might want to go skiing when you're running from a fire. Hold on. Hold on. Got to get the skis in.

You got your boots? Yeah. It's fantastic. Super active. I love that. Yeah. So people in Europe, they walk around more, right? Isn't that the idea of why Europeans are a little healthier?

They walk around more than us. And then there's also the original wheat, which has not been. Apparently, this is from Maynard I'm not I'm not sure if this is accurate but Maynard uh Keenan from Tool you know he actually runs he has restaurants and he also has his own vineyard and he knows a lot about growing things and in his osterias serve pasta and he was telling me that what the difference is is the original wheat was like a lower yield was a smaller. And so they eventually manipulated it until it's what we have today, which is like has much more, what he said, complex glutens in it. That's where our bodies

have harder times digesting them. And then on top of the fact that corn syrup is so prevalent and sugar is so prevalent, we're putting processed sugar and corn syrup and all that stuff into everything. And people are drinking sugary sodas all day. They taste delicious. But the amount of calories in those things is fucking crazy. And it's crazy calories where your body doesn't understand it. Like, where are you getting all this sugar?

It's like all of a sudden something comes in in a rush in a drink. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more. Someone's explaining this to me that sugar in a drink form is so wild because it's not like anything you would ever Experience in nature and they were thinking about like they were saying think about it like if you ate like a bunch of fruit Like all that sugar that's in that fruit. It's gonna take a while to chew it right it's attached to fiber Now you're mainlining the sugar right down just throwing it down and it's a stupid amount like what is the amount? Let's guess let's take a guess. What is the amount? Let's guess.

Let's take a guess. What is the amount of sugar that's in a 7-Eleven Big Gulp? In a Big Gulp? A Big Gulp. 50 grams. Yeah, I'm going to say 65. 65 grams. Now, of course, the problem is, and the reason why it's in grams, no one in America can fucking

understand how much that is. How many ounces? Exactly. How many ounces? How many tablespoons is that, Joe? Why are you giving me metric, bro? Jamie, what is it? I don't even understand. 65 grams. 91. 91 ounces? Grams. Oh my god.

91 grams and how many ounces? In American weight. 91? Give me the mega mass of that shit. Oh my god, dude. That's so that shit Oh my god dude that's so much How could we be so off That is so much You're not supposed to have that much in a week

A big up is 32 ounces What are you supposed to What is like a reasonable Obviously a change is dependent upon your body's I have almost no sugar But I mean just you get some in fruits And some in milk and some in some different things I'm trying to gain weight It's really hard for me I have to no sugar. But I mean, you get some in fruits and some in milk and some in some different things. I'm trying to gain weight.

It's really hard for me. I have to drink protein shakes and shit. You're an ectomorph, if that's real. You know what that means? It sounds like something from outer space, so I kind of like it. Mesomorphs. There's mesomorphs, endomorphs, and ectomorphs. Okay, what is an ectomorph?

An ectomorph is a long, thinner person that usually has a harder time putting weight on. Okay, that's me. I don't know if this has been... I've got to be real clear about this. I remember reading this, but I don't know if this has been disproven. Right. And, like, a mesomorph is like a Vanderholy field. Like, someone with, like, perfect proportions.

Okay. Like, a narrow waist, big shoulders. Like, a Vanderholy shoulders like a vanderholer feels a mesomorph and i'm more like more endomorph i'm like wide and short whoa here we go endomorph see i'm more like endomorph where can you show me where on the body you were touched joe can you point to the spot you look better than the guy on the far left but that's that's your anectomorph you're long tall i'm the guy on the left yes yeah but that's your anectomorph. You're long, tall. I'm the guy on the left. Yes.

Yeah. It's not really you, though, dude. No, no. You're much better looking. A little more like that. You're beautifully proportioned. Well, no. Yeah, the guy up there in the middle one.

No, no. Yeah, that one. That one. You're more like that. No, I'm not that. More like that. Tall and long. But listen, it's not.

It's just, what was my point about, oh, you can't gain weight. But sugar's not, you don't want to do it that way anyway. If you want to gain weight, you got to hire a trainer. Really? Yeah. A food trainer? No, a lifting trainer. Really?

Yeah. You want to gain weight? You want to get jacked? Not really. You should. But I know I look better if I weigh more. I don't think you should get jacked, honestly. I'm joking around. I also got a dog, so I dog so I'm walking two miles. Oh, that's nice

Yeah, do with a weight weight vest on try that a weight vest. Yeah walking the dog. Mm-hmm Okay, walking dog would like a started you just start light like 10 pound 10 pound weight back is a bulletproof vest Okay, too. Yeah, I got one of those those are heavy. That's more than yeah. Yeah Okay, the idea is you know, you're putting more load on your system. And so walking is really good for you. That's what I think. But walking with a weight vest on is really good for you. There was a guy in New York, Jack the Whack.

He was a DJ at Z100 when I was working there on a weekend. Jack the Whack. Jack the Whack. Everybody got WACZZ100. You thought they had radio personalities. Oh, yeah. Back when we had radio. And Jack was 350 pounds

and I wasn't at the station for six months or so. And I came in, it's like seven o'clock at night. I'm like, what the fuck is Jack? That's me. And he just gone, just completely deflated. So how did you do that? He says, walking. So what do you mean? Yeah. Wow. Every single time I put the set of songs on, which runs about eight minutes, I just walk around the office building. That's crazy. And they come back, you do a I just walk around the office building. That's crazy. And they come back, you do a break, walk around the office building. And he did that for six months and he lost 250 pounds of fucking crate. That's insane.

Good for him. I believe in walking. I believe in walking. I fucking love that. I love that. I love when someone does something like that. And I see it in myself. I'm walking like, shit, I'm losing weight.

I got to eat more. I definitely need to eat more. I forget to eat. Yeah, but you don't need to eat more if you're losing weight from walking. You're probably burning off stuff that you don't need. It's probably burning off fat. I forget to eat. Do you really?

Sometimes. How's that possible? I'm the opposite. Weed. I wish I could give you. Weed helps me forget to eat, Joe. Not for a lot of people. It gives them the munchies.

Yeah, I get the munchie thing and then like. Dude, I eat so much. I eat so much food. Sometimes I just, I'm such a glutton. Sometimes I just keep eating. I just stuff my face. See, I can't imagine that. Oh, my God.

I can't imagine that. That just makes, I just stop. Oh, my God. I can't. I love food. I love food, too. I can't stuff enough of it into my fat fucking face. This is an interesting admission.

No, it's fucking. I've talked about it many, many, many times on the podcast. It's when I start eating, I consume enormous amounts of food. Like I almost feel like I'm starving. Like sometimes when I go to eat, I feel so hungry that I just want, I want to order three or four meals and eat them all. And I've eaten two meals before, many times, especially after shows. If I work, like if I lift weights that day

and then we do two shows and then we go to dinner, I'm ordering two steaks. I eat so much food. Wow. I just can't stop eating. You and I have a very different relationship with food. My number one problem is pasta, man. If I start eating pasta, I get bloated

and my stomach sticks out and I grow love handles. Like if I get on a steady pasta diet of like four or five weeks in a row where I'm just fucking up, it goes straight Italian on me. It's all those Dago genes of mine. Oh, man. They fucking go right to you. It's always like the gut and the love handles first. It's like, oh, boy. And it's also just feeling like shit.

I just never feel good when I eat a lot of pasta. I always feel good when I'm eating lean meat with some fat, some healthy fat, like grass-fed fat. Grass-fed ribeyes are probably the best example of that. I love those. They're so good. So good for you. Because it's got such a different texture than the grain fed too. There's more

chew to it, but it's still there's a taste. You're eating a healthier animal. Just taste like an animal is supposed to taste. I love a corn fed steak too. They still taste great. But they're not the same.

It's not the same. That grass fed is a healthier animal. It's not the same. No, no, at all. That grass-fed is a healthier animal. It's the way the animal's supposed to live. And you have to be careful. I learned from Texas Sleep. You've got to be careful. There'll be words on it like grass-fed,

and it could literally be like three blades of grass in a pen. There's all kinds of technicalities on labeling that is such bullshit. Well, what's bullshit is when they don't tell you that they finish them with grain. Some places do that. Yeah, they do that too. They feed them grass until a couple months before they're going to whack them, and then they just give them corn and fatten them up.

And they're really going so far with the technology of this shit where they're putting sensors on the cattle and monitoring direct input of grain into their system, but it's also based upon supply and demand. Where we're going, I truly think, is that people are so obsessed with their watches, their smart watches, their caloric intake, their heart rate, all these things, all these sensor type. And we're also happy to give it up. We give up a lot of information.

Just your phone itself tells a lot about how you walk. Your gait can be determined from your phone, all kinds of stuff, data about us. It's very possible that in a future, which could be closer than you think, food is produced at the processors, which literally will be making processed food that'll be tailored to you just to kind of keep you functional enough and keep you going with the nutrients that you need and kind of keep you in a matrix-like world, just kind of a state of, I'm just existing. I'm just kind of doing my thing, whatever I'm told to do. I think that would be, you know, I think there's some actual thought about that. No, I think that would be, you know, I think there's, there's some, some actual thought about that. No, I think so too. It's sad, but that's all our fault because we can decide just to not do it.

Well, you know, whenever we say it's our fault, like, what is that? You know, it's silly. Adam Curry, Joe Rogan. If we don't convert the world, it's our fault. Look, we fucked up. We let all the idiots get on the school boards and in city councils. I wasn't paying attention. A lot of people weren't paying attention. No. I feel bad about that. They get scared now when you see all these TikToks and these crazy people that are teachers.

You're like, oh my God. But crazy people, they're just parents, Joe. Well, some of them are. I think a lot of them are. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking about different things. The TikTok thing is a different thing. Oh, I don't know about the TikTok. It's actual teachers.

I don't, oh. It's insane teachers telling the class. Oh, I'm coming out as lesbian and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always like, these children need to respect my non-binary status. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that shit. Yeah, I've seen that.

If I get misgendered, the way I correct them, and they're like, usually, like a lot of them, like Libs of TikTok has a whole series of them. Some of them are just insane people that are now teaching your kids and not saying it's insane to be non-binary I'm saying it's insane to have this level of narcissism. We were declaring to the internet how you deal with a seven-year-old That's misgendering you like this is Look at what the mechanism they don't say they them the seven-year-old has to learn they them is that real look at the mechanisms What's controlling this it's the tick-tock. It's the algorithm If they don't say they, them. The seven-year-old has to learn they, them? Is that real? No, look at the mechanisms. What's controlling this?

It's the TikTok. It's the algorithm. It's the phone we put in our kids' hands. Are you aware of, I was having a conversation with a couple of friends of mine about this the other day, the Shanna Swan book. Dr. Shanna Swan, she's an environmental epidemiologist, I believe. Is that what her actual title is? She wrote this book that I always forget the name of it. Countdown.

Thank you. And it's all about chemicals. Did you have her on the show? She blew me away. Blew me away. It's all about chemicals. Atrazine? Yep, that's one of them for sure.

Phthalates. Phthalates are a big one. And what she was essentially saying was what we're dealing with is like a biological crisis. Like from the introduction of petrochemicals into the human diet, these phthalates have caused some weird alterations of our reproductive systems. People are way less fertile. Women are more prone to having miscarriages. Men have lower sperm count.

All demonstrably true. Yes, and men have smaller taints. Now, this is where the conversation went. People started laughing at me. I'm like, I know. It sounds crazy. I thought it was doing pretty well until you brought it up like that.

Now it's hard not to. She says taints. All right. She calls it taints. With an S? Plural? Taints? Yeah, like a bunch of men's taints.

We individually have a taint. There's three taints in this room. We are. I'm assuming. We're tainted up. Jamie doesn't have one of them things birds have. What are those things called? Like a piercing down there?

Birds have like one hole where everything comes out of. Shit, piss. Clavica? Something. Clavicle? Yeah, clavicle. Hey, clave. Cluck, cluck.

Clavicle. Clavicle. It's close to that word. I think it's clavicle. Coaquil? Is that it? Oh, maybe. Well, anogenital distance

is the proper term for these. Oh, for taint? For taint. That sounds so much worse. We say AGD, Joe, in Rick's company. What Dr. Shanna Swan said was that this is observable in mammals, that when they introduce phthalates

into these mammals' bodies, the children, the offspring of these animals that were contaminated with these plastics have these weird anomalies in the children in that they start to have less sperm count, they start to have smaller taints. And she said that... What is the function of the taint? I'm going to explain that.

She said that in mammals, the size of the taint is a great indicator of whether it's a male or a female. And that when they look at a little puppy, like a puppy, you know when you get them, it's hard to tell. Is it a boy or a girl? and that when they look at, like, a little puppy, like a puppy, you know, when you get them, it's hard to tell. Is it a boy or a girl? You gotta look, or something like that. Well, when the taints of the males are between 50 and 100% larger than the taints of the females. So if you see an animal with a long taint,

you go, oh, that's a boy. But because of the introduction of phthalates into the mother, the taints on the baby boys are smaller. And they're seeing the exact same thing with humans They believe and that this is in a lot of plastics that leach into our system. I want to Maybe next week you and I can both compare taints

Not of ours our wives. Let's just see if they're smaller if they're small come back with more data. Yes science project, baby It's for show. It's just for science. It's for science. Fucking hell, baby, it's for the show is what I'm saying. It's apparently a bad, in terms of what the outlook is for the future. We're depopulizing. Yeah.

Yeah, we're depopulizing. I'm trying to say that without saying that. No, that's exactly what it sounds like. We're depopulizing. Yeah, we're depopulizing. I'm trying to say that without saying that. Well, no, that's exactly what it sounds like. We're depopulizing. Men whose AGD, that's the taint, is shorter than the median length, around 2 inches, 52 millimeters, have 7 times the chance of being subfertile

as those with a longer AGD. According to a study published on Friday in the Journal of Environmental Health Perspectives, the distance measured from the anus to the underside of the scrotum is linked to male fertility, including semen volume and sperm count, the study found. The shorter the AGD, the more likely a man was to have low sperm count. And this sperm count is being lowered by plastics in the water. This is interesting. So it's the measure from the distance from the anus to the underside of the scrotum.

Yeah. Is there anything on this page that tells you if you measure your actual dick length from the scrotum or from the top or the side? Hmm. Just something I've always wondered. It's a good question, right? How do you get an accurate read? I mean, are guys measuring their dick by going around their balls and then adding all those extra inches? Oh, yeah, it starts in the back of my neck here.

Yeah, of course. It's one of those things. What she said freaked me the fuck out. Yeah, that's, well, we're depopulizing. It's fairly new science in terms of understanding

the role of phthalates in the reproductive systems of mammals. But see, I grew up in the Netherlands and when I grew up in the Netherlands, it's still a socialist country,

but it was real. I mean, you had gray telephones, you couldn't touch the phone. You couldn't unplug it yourself. That was all illegal. Everything was socialized. The taxes were 90%. You couldn't unplug it? No, that was illegal. Really? And they would know.

Oh my God, really? It was weird. That's crazy. Especially coming from the US, even as a seven or eight year old. But the typical meal is very simple in the Netherlands at the time. In the morning, you may eat, it's all bread, butter, cheese, maybe bread, butter, some speck, which is kind of a salted smoked bacon. You could have something sweet if you wanted, Nutella maybe, but then it was always meat, potatoes, vegetables. Meat, potatoes, vegetables.

Or maybe with a piece of fish on Friday. And that was it. And people were the tallest fuckers in the universe. They were healthy, skating all over the canals, winning at Olympics and all the tall people shit. Just fucking swimming, speed skating, just badass. And you think that has a lot to do with the diet? And now, because I've observed it, I've been back and forth. I've lived there.

I've come back to the States. And people are so much unhealthier, so much. And, of course, now they're getting processed food. They're getting that from the Albertaine, which is from the supermarket. They're getting ready-made meals. the supermarket they're getting you know ready-made meals it's just and because there's no incentive to educate people anyone from anymore from the same people who are who own the processing companies and who own you know or endow the universities what there's people trying to educate people of course there's a lot of like of course well people are looking for it then the

human being the human spirit is going this can't be right right for most people yeah i think so i think you're right i think for most people they're if most people, if you got to look at the whole food system and looked at what people are eating, what kind of results we're getting, where what was it? 40 something percent obese, something like that. I think it's more than that. What was it, Jamie? Do you remember?

This is like the Jamie fact check show. He's always on it. Yeah. He's on the ball. I know. But when we looked at it last, it's a stunning number of obese people. And a lot of it has to do with the diet. It's also noticeable if you travel from Europe coming back to the United States.

42.4% in 2017 to 2018. That's probably 4.0. And what does obese mean? Oh, look at this. During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7 percent to 9.2 percent wow yeah well it's the cdc so you got to trust those numbers right away yeah could be much worse who knows crazy who knows that's crazy that'll say that's from put that back up so that's that is much more recent That's from 99 to 2000. I didn't read the whole thing. It said from 99 to 2000.

And then from, okay. And how many people got tipped over the edge during the pandemic and lockdowns? I'm reading this wrong. It was 99 to 2000 through 2017 to 2018. I don't know why they're saying it that way. through 2017 to 2018. I don't know why they're saying it that way. Anyway, it says obesity prevalence increased from 30% to 42%. 30.5 to 42.4.

During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. That's what it is. So that's a big trend from 2000 on. I don't know why they put it that way it was 42 percent from 2017 to 2018 oh and that's now I get it I'm reading them separately so that's not good 42 percent terrible what you know there needs to be you know some sort message that gets out to people that goes, just put the fucking sugar down. Put the sugar down.

Have it every now and then. You're doing it right now. Have a little dessert. I saw the Nielsen ratings. You are the number one show in the fucking universe. I think that's propaganda. I think it's the government. It doesn't matter if it's propaganda.

It doesn't matter. It's just what it is. It's not real. It's fake numbers. No, and it's propaganda. I think it's the government. It doesn't matter if it's propaganda. It doesn't matter. It's just what it is. It's not real. It's fake numbers. No, and it's beautiful. It really is. It's fake news. And what's so great is you basically have an open mic.

Basically. So people come here and all kinds of messages are getting through. That's a problem. It is. Of course it is. And you get shit for it. But I was like, man, there's so many reasons to take Joe down. Why don't they take Joe down?

Well, of course, because as long as you can get the right people in. What kind of a world are we living in where people would even think that it's a good idea to take people down for talking about stuff? That is a crazy world. I'm not telling people what to do. I'm not trying to establish new laws I'm not trying to overthrow the government the idea of taking people down

it's a political mechanism but we all think about it that way I don't think you agree with it but I'm saying we all think that that's common it's worse than that it's now gamified and people are online especially Twitter

that's the only thing I ever look at if I look at something on social media It's now gamified. And people are online, especially Twitter. That's the only thing I ever look at if I look at something on social media. And they're like, oh, look what he posted. Oh, he's probably going to get deplatformed for that. Oh, man. Oh, they shut down his account, deactivated. Oh, this is an outrage. This is a game now.

It's definitely a game in that respect. Especially in the idea that for a lot of people There they see windows and then they have a bag of rocks that's it to them and they want to throw these rocks through the windows It's natural. The thing is what are people trying to achieve? I mean the game board at work Okay, well, that's true. They're trying to get you canceled. Fuck Adam Curry. You know the game. Well, there you go. Yeah, so the The object is no longer communicating something that could make a difference to people's lives, not in that game. That's now moving elsewhere. Podcast is still a big part of that. Podcast, and they're coming for us.

They're coming for podcasts, although I've shorted up with Podcasting 2.0. Is this a pitch for Podcasting 2.0? Fuck yeah. Get a modern podcast app at newpodcastapps.com. I think there's always going to be a way that they, there's always going to be, like the tech people are too fucking smart. The people like yourself and the people that are deeply involved in like all the sneaky web shit, they're too smart to just let someone have full, complete control over everyone's ability to podcast.

Correct. Even though Twitter and a lot of these places have done a pretty fucking good job of silencing a lot of people, you're starting to see these new platforms emerge. All over the place. And I think there's going to be more of them in the future. We have to realize that YouTube's only like, how many years old? 13 years old or something? But also, here's what's changed

It doesn't matter being the biggest audience having the biggest Outside of what you're doing really doesn't matter anymore because you have an audience that what you built this organically This is not some algo fucking view and you're doing you know force four minute clips or some shit like that And you know your cover art is one of those things that's that's what all you could look at all the youtube videos to get attention to make you click on it you know oh shocking thing happened so um what's in what is important now is people are able to assemble themselves in their own own platforms kind of back to what the internet was when it was completely decentralized this is

a part of the same movement hey we're going to talk about healthy living and we don't need to be the loudest voice on twitter people who are interested they can come over here and they can hang out with us and everyone's welcome to come in and if we decide you're a piece of shit we're going to kick you out that's what that and then those tribes they start to intersect you know and then now the technology exists for them to share between each other. That's what Jack Dorsey is doing with Blue Sky. What is Blue Sky? It'll be basically that.

You can have your own Twitter for your own community and it will be able to federate. So interact with other communities, but you have control over what community comes in and can communicate with you. I did not know Dorsey was going to start a new social media app. Is that, is a new social media app? It has nothing to do with Twitter? That's been, yeah, that's been, that's been going for a while. I think that's something he's been building on the side. I don't know.

But it's, it's not Twitter. It's not, it's not a part of, I don't think it's a part, it may use protocols similar to Twitter. I hope it's more protocols of Mastodon and ActivityPub, but which would be open source. This is going to be a controversial thing to say, but I'm going to say it. I think you cannot ask for a better guy. If you could keep him at the, and people say, well, that's crazy. Look what they did at Twitter. I'm telling you, that guy wants it to be a free speech platform, but those things are insanely complicated and when you're dealing with like a corporation like he wanted to have to there's just

too many people that are telling you what to do there's too and too many minds that are coming together on these things when you something is as big as Twitter I don't know how much say he had but I guarantee you there was a lot of other people had to say as well whereas if he can start something and do what he initially wanted to do what he initially wanted to do with Twitter is to literally Create a separate wing like to create a Wild West wing or there would be like regular Twitter. It's like you know you get this sort of curated corporate control message because anything that gets out of line their banner account right or Wild West Twitter and say you can do everything but dox people and threaten violence.

So I like Jack Dorsey. I like the moves he's made. The context is that he was really running $100 billion company square 90% of his time and working on decentralizing payment systems, thinking about Bitcoin, how that fits in. payment systems, thinking about Bitcoin, how that fits in, what is the bridge between the current world and a Bitcoinized world. I think he clearly saw decentralization a long time ago. I mean, Twitter started as a podcast platform. So he understood decentralization by default. How did it start as a podcast?

It was called Odeo initially. And it was really cool. I had Podshow at the time and they were coming out with, you could manage your podcast. The ones you were listening to, you could also create it. It was done in Flash at the time, which is kind of the hot technology. It's called Odeo. I did not know that was Twitter. And then they pivoted and they took, I think, the basic RSS concept. You know, Twitter had a whole technical progression, if you remember the fail whale. So they had to really re-architect the whole platform to manage the growth they had because they kind of went off of – it was just no way to do it in the RSS fashion to make it fast enough. And that's what exploded.

I mean, so Odeo just pivoted into, into Twitter and it was phenomenal to watch. So, but that was when he came back to run Twitter, that was really 10% of his time. And, you know, you think that people in America are bitching about, you know, kicking off Marjorie Taylor Greene. How about the president of fucking Zimbabwe who's on the phone screaming at you because he won't censor this asshole or that. There's no winning

to that job. No winning at all. And I think he also knows that it's over. That the social media, that people are going to start moving away from it. He sees the decentralization. So he was ready to jettison out. I mean, I've had like one DM with him, that's it,

and I've just observed from a distance. I think he'll be a very important player in the true decentralized world that we're moving into, which we've been moving into for probably 15, 20 years. It seems like for social media apps, that's the only way you're ever going to achieve any kind of balance. But my concern is that they never get a chance. Like when a new social media app starts, one of the things that first happens is immediately people start

labeling it a right-wing alternative. That's like the immediate, that's the slam that it gets hit with as quickly as possible. And then when you observe some of those places, I don't want to name names, but some of these new ones that start up and you see that there's like all this right-wing activity, you get a bunch of stuff. You get like your basic patriot stuff, the people that have the American flag. They don't say anything too outrageous. Sometimes they're shocked by certain political decisions.

But then you see like outrageous people over the top people people that are just they sound like they're fucking insane they're they're saying all these different people are criminals and they should be court-martialed and they get real aggressive and you you go how many of those are real folks here's my question what the fuck are you doing there in the first place? Who cares? No, no, no, no. Are you looking? Yes, I'm looking at it for work.

What are you looking for? I'm a social studies professor. Not just you. Of course. I teach at a community college. I'm also a conspiracy therapist, Joe Rogan. So we're in good company. What is the point?

It used to be. Trying to get pissed off. Okay. I'm a comedian. Right. So that's fine. And so people are wasting their fucking life away. You know, if you're interested in some shit about food, go find that community.

It's going to be a forum. It may be a Mastodon server. You'll find it. You know, go participate in that. People have to break free of the dopamine hits. That's what's going on It's the drug. It's the outrage. It's all that shit that go bing bing bing Ah fuck and I get it and I love it sometimes, but I'm a responsible drug user. It's also important It's important to understand because it's a real factor

And this is how I'm looking at it when I'm looking at these people arguing on these new social media platforms about which of the congressmen that are sitting in this video is the bigger traitor and which one should spend the most time in jail, looking at just the way they talk about stuff, I just always go, okay, it might be a real hardcore person who's a right winger or it might be a Russian troll. And that's what's fascinating because I know that there's hundreds of thousands of them out there. They have troll farms.

They set these things up and they just purposely try to fuck with our perceptions and our arguments about things. They purposely try. And I'm not saying that this is responsible for all of it, but I'm saying that they recognize how goofy we are and they attack and they're doing this all the time and they're getting us to fight and they're getting us to be argumentative.

And here's what we're missing. So while all this is going on, the United States, in my opinion, put us very close on the brink of some kind of war with a move that has not been reported, poorly reported. No one really understands it. And that's Kazakhstan. Have you heard about Kazakhstan? I don't know what's going on in Kazakhstan. There was a revolution overnight and the government resigned and the people took over. And the reason was, well, we're not really sure. We think it because the the price of gas doubled overnight maybe because people are tired of qr codes and mandates but this was really a color revolution this was a when did this happen a week ago maybe what this has been building so but here's what's important and i think we both can agree that president Biden ain't running shit. Someone in probably more State Department level has done – what are you looking at?

Look at this title. Kazakhstan President Gives Shoot-to-Kill Order Against Protesters. All right, so let me explain. This is what I think is happening. For months now, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Putin, come on into Ukraine. And you know what the deal is there is that we want to put our anti- Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. Putin, come on into Ukraine. And you know what the deal is there is that we want to put our anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine and the Russians

want to put their S-400 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine. They don't want NATO or the U.S. or anybody fucking with it. And this administration in particular, they're a bunch of Russiaphobes and they, you know, it may go back from the 60s. There's a lot of people with a big heart on towards Putin and Russia, and it has to be war with this guy come hell or high water, even if by proxy. So this attention has been on Ukraine, and then unbelievably, all of a sudden, we have almost to the T, the playbook that they did in Ukraine, Victoria, Newland, fuck the EU, I don't know if you know any of this stuff. That was basically, we led that whole change.

That's pretty well documented. John McCain was a big part of it. John Kerry. It was crazy. Biden as well. Big part of that. So this now happened in Kazakhstan, which is on the exact opposite side of Russia. in Kazakhstan, which is on the exact opposite side of Russia. So now Putin, who has 100,000 troops, he has to haul ass because now he's got a real hot situation on his hand. And why is this

important? Jamie, can you bring up a map of Kazakhstan? And this is someone is playing really brilliant, but very dangerous moves in the Biden administration. Okay. So if you look at Kazakhstan, it is in between Russia and China. And there's a down below, there's above Kyrgyzstan, there's on the right on the border, somewhere around there, Jamie, there's a town it's called, I forget what it's called. And this is not helping these. Yeah. Anyway, there's a town, it's called, I forget what it's called, and this is not helping these. Yeah, anyway, there's a town. The point is, this is where China is connecting their railroad system to Russia to go further into Europe. This is the Belt and Road.

This is China's whole thing. This is also where pipelines are going to be for Russia to send their natural resources to China. And the Biden administration or someone running the show just stopped that shit. They just stopped that dead in their tracks. And this is a huge problem for China, for Russia. But also, don't look at Ukraine. Who knows? We may be sneaking in the rockets as we speak. Someone's's doing something really nasty and so we've been distracted by a lot of stuff and this is happening Jesus Christ yeah it'll be okay Joe I'm shocked no no no it might not be you know when I was talking to

Oliver Stone the other day I love that it about his... Whoa! I would have picked that up. I love that. It was on the podcast. But it's lovely you said it. Oh. When I was talking to Oliver Stone the other day. I was trying to give him credit for what we were saying.

Fuck. Sorry. Maybe I forget what I was going to say. I fucked you on that, didn't I? What were we just talking about? Kazakhstan. Kazakhstan. China, Russia,

railway, pipelines. Well, I lost it. Gosh, I'm so sorry. That's okay. My poor attempted humor fucked up your train of thought. God damn it. Well, I'm so sorry. That's okay. My poor attempted humor fucked up your train of thought. God damn it. Well, he was probably talking about

how the American government does all kinds of crazy shit and is responsible for a lot of murder and destruction. Oh, this is what it was. See, I knew I'd hit it. He said we were really close to nuclear war

during the Kennedy administration. Sure. And that there was multiple plays on both Cuba and there was ideas about going to nuclear war with Russia losing possibly 30 to 40 million people it and we were talking about dr. Strangelove that's what it was right so in dr. Strangelove there's a general that sounds

completely absurd he's out of his fucking mind a lunatic get him out of his try talking about surviving a first-strike nuclear attack like that we could do a first strike and we would probably survive, might lose Chicago, that kind of shit. That was a real person. There were real people that were actually considering us going to war with China and Russia and just getting it over with because we're eventually going to have to do it later.

And so they wanted to do that, and they wanted to do it with Cuba as well. And when you think about what's happening in this country right now, where there was Kennedy back then, and Kennedy was the guy who was vetoing things and saying, no, we're not going to do that. We're going to send, we'll send envoys to Vietnam. We're not sending any more troops. He had some ideas that a lot of the people in the military industrial complex weren't happy with. There's no one like that now. Like, what do you think? Do you think Biden has real, like what, what kind of relationship do you think Biden has with control as the president? Oh, okay. Well, zero. And I'll tell you why. I think most, if not all of what we're living through right now is a financial

issue. It's not a health issue. Of course it is, but the real issue is a financial issue. It's not a health issue. Of course it is, but the real issue is a financial issue. And what's come to bear, in my opinion, and this is kind of recent information, is that the 2008, 2009 housing crisis, that was fixed by printing a shitload of money, trillions of dollars, and pushing it off into very difficult to explain how the financial system works. I'm not qualified, but I do understand in general lines what's happened. That's now come to bear. Someone has to pay the piper. And it kind of happens in central bank controlled economies, which is what we have with the Federal Reserve. So it's a bunch of banks that really manage our money.

They create it. They spend it. They do all kinds of stuff with it. We borrow from them. It's a very convoluted system. Now I lost my train of thought. That's not fair. It's that L.A. weed, bitch.

Come on, Jamie. Where was I? Convoluted system. Right. The convoluted. Ah, okay. So the balance sheet is out of whack, and it can jeopardize everything. We could have a crash of epic proportions.

Right. And it happens about every 10 years. If you think about all the crises we have, so we had 2008. Then before that, we had 2001, 9-11. We had 87 before that. There's been all these crashes, around 10 years kind of the system has to reset. But it's compounding, you know, our national debt, which is all just kind of fictional shit. It's probably, you know, quadrillions really, but it doesn't matter.

Why do you think that? But wait for it. 2019, just before the outbreak of the Wuhan flu at the time, as we jokingly called it, there was a huge problem with interbank lending. And how that works is irrelevant. But as we now know, because that information just came out two weeks ago, JP Morgan, Chase, Morgan Stanley, Citibank, and Goldman Sachs collectively borrowed $11.7 trillion just before the pandemic started. When the Wall Street shit happened in 2008, 2009, it was about $8 trillion. And something was fucked up in the system. Then it melted down.

Here, they melted down the economy by shutting everybody down. Shut that shit down. And now we've got all this money coming into the system. CARES Act, two trillion. Just trillions and trillions of dollars that are just being created. They need it to keep the whole system alive. And that's why- I'm getting confused here, though.

Are you thinking this is engineered yeah totally the whole thing the shutdown of the economy yes that that it wasn't done to protect people that it was done in my opinion that part was done that was needed one way the other they could have done climate change asteroids from space i don't give a fuck they needed to shut it down they needed to stop the money flow to fix it and get more permission to print money to flood into the system. There's too much on the banking side and not enough on the people side. Go figure. They've been stealing it. So they had to give people money. And that's what they did. They printed stimulus checks. In Texas today, if you and I start a

consulting company, which is to motivate people to get vaccinated, we can get a grant of up to $1 million. What? Yes. This is how much money there is for this shit. And that goes into the system. And that's what they needed to balance out this complete piece of crap. Now, is that going to work? I mean, I'm- But here's the question. Do you think that it was engineered up into the point of releasing a virus? How far do you go with this? That's hard to work? I mean, I'm... But here's the question. Do you think that it was engineered up until the point of releasing a virus? How far do you go with this? That's hard to say. I mean, maybe it was just a virus

and it was made worse. I mean, they had drilled, they had practiced for this, so they could trigger muscle memory with the people who were in the Vent 201 drills and everything. That's not that hard to do. You know, and then, well, interestingly,

I feel Dr. Malone didn't do a good job of explaining mass formation. He didn't? No. No, he didn't. I thought it was awesome. No, he missed a very important part of it, because it went kind of straight to Hitler. And that's not what mass formation is. Well, he was just trying to give the worst case example in recent memory but we have an example right now okay and that's what makes it interesting it's not actually called mass formation psychosis it's just mass

formation the psychosis part is really not what the thesis is and this is from professor de Smet who was from belgium i lived in belgium i speak fluent flemish and dutch matias mat matias so i i've had personal contact with him but i have studied his his his pitch so i understand what it is the four if you have four elements in society which is dissatisfaction uh with your meaning, just in general, what piece of shit job do I have? If there's depression, a lot of people depressed, a lot of people on SSRIs. If there's a free-floating anxiety, which is, oh my God, we've got this virus, what the fuck is it? And then you add isolation to it,

which even though we're online and everything, someone not going to the office, sitting at home with two kids in a two-bedroom apartment, trying to work remotely can feel very isolated. At that moment, mass formation can occur when a solution is delivered. And then everyone goes into a hypnotic state and the solution was social distancing the solution was masking the solution was wash your hands the solution is vaccine and this hypnotic state this is where it gets important is as powerful dr malone said that correctly as what they do in an operating room when someone is allergic to anesthesia they can hypnotize you with the same mechanism so you can get cut while you're not anesthetized. Oh, yeah. But most importantly,

the leaders, the politicians, they are also in the same hypnotic state and they get myopic. And like Australia, they get completely irrational and nuts. So it doesn't lead to a dictatorship like Hitler. It leads to totalitarianism and it's fucking lawless. And it's just going to be, and look at what's happening. We've got people doing smashing grabs and Gucci. We've got the, we've got a lot of stuff going on. So what I'm loving right now is that there's a, there's a mechanism in place that is waking people up from this. And many people may have heard this. People who have been double vaccinated, boosted, have followed all the rules, wear the mask, you know, whatever. They get Omicron.

They feel shame. Have you heard of this? No. People feel ashamed. And like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. I did everything I was told to do, everything, and I still got it. I'm so ashamed. And some people wake up and go, hey, wait a minute, what the fuck am I ashamed for? I did everything right. And by the way, here I am.

They're waking up from it and they're now looking around and now they're seeing all the other stuff that's happening collectively. This is, we're in a very bad state right now. And that's mass formation. And we're in it. And we can be in it for all kinds of reasons. But when the lockdown happened, that opened up opportunity. Look at it right there. Washington Post.

Thousands who follow the rules are about to get COVID. They shouldn't be ashamed. Yeah. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. ashamed. Yeah. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. Of course not. They shouldn't. We should stop thinking about fault and start looking at the raw facts.

When you've got that woman, what is her name? That voice of doom on CNN, medical lady? Wen? Oh, Lena Wen. Lena Wen. Yeah. She was saying. She's the voice of doom.

She's the voice of doom. She was saying that cloth masks are a little more than facial decorations. Yeah. She's saying that they don't work on respiratory viruses. She blew the marketing. She blew the marketing. She said it more than once. Yeah.

But they let her. Possibly. But do you think that that's possibly just setting up the narrative that we're getting in new science and we're starting to understand to try to realize that people are not going to take masks forever. So that you're going to try to detox us slowly from masks slowly, but surely get the message out there that they're not necessary. They don't really do anything anymore. Just get vaccinated. Everybody, myself included at this very moment, is trying to create a narrative.

Yeah. I'm going to be very open about it. Of course. This is very important, and this is a good place to do it. And it's great because it's a podcast. It's independent. When someone needs to go do this shit on mainstream television, you always have to be introduced as former FBI, former CIA, intelligence work,

whatever the shit, and you do your spiel in a minute and 30 seconds, and you hope that that sticks. That doesn't work anymore. So now there's long form. People can listen. People aren't stupid. They're not stupid. I'm a disc jockey.

I can figure stuff out. I can recite a psychological thesis. Yeah. So this is the kind of stuff we have to move to this is what's scary to me about the way things are going like every decision seems to compound the problem further as if it's on purpose like when you yeah when you hear that people that are in government and even some folks that have at least some control over law enforcement don't think that crime is a problem it's it's there's a fucking uh disconnect there's a letter that a friend of mine

i won't say where lives in one of his friends is a cop and they sent him a letter of all the new guidelines and these guys are passing around because they can't fucking believe it like what you're allowed to arrest people for, what you're not allowed to arrest people for, what you have to let people go for. And they've eliminated a lot of fucking crime. And this whole idea of having at $1,000, anything more than $1,000 you can get prosecuted for,

but up to $1,000. $950. Well, here's the problem. And my buddy Mo predicted this, and I think, unfortunately, he's right. So this recent trial of ex-officer Potter, who killed a guy, she thought she was reaching for her taser, yelled taser, shot him. So in Hill Country, there's a lot of, you know, service people up there. And my buddy, Mike, he was considering going back into the police department. And, you know, because he was there for a long time and he, you know, quit for a little bit.

And he was like, I want to go back. I want to serve again. And after that trial happened, he said, I'm not going to do it because no one's got your back. And there's no way for you to police effectively because if you have to have in the back of your mind, that's what training is. We always had kind of this secret agreement like, hey, if it happens, like with military accidentally killing civilians, I'm not trying to make it right, but I'm just saying the thinking is no one wants to be a cop anymore. No one wants to serve the community. And you know what's going to happen? He's going to go into a wealthy

neighborhood who have a private police force and the people in poor neighborhoods, you're going to get drones and robots and shit like that. And you're never going to go to jail because we have the mechanism to lock you down. Now we know where you are. You should be quarantining. You're quarantining for 15 years now in your house. There you go. That's, that's, and why? And is that one single entity or does, do multiple things work in concert or am I just hallucinating? Is it a simulation?

I don't know, but that's what I see. There's, well, first of all, that one situation where that lady pulled out the gun instead of the taser and shot that that guy people think that that can't happen you have never been in a situation where you hold on you've never been a situation where it's life or death first of all because people freak the fuck out and they go reptile and they have no idea what they're doing and they don't realize until after it's over and then they try to piece it together in their memory When you're in a violent situation with a person where you think you got to tase them and you're a woman Here's another thing. Well, this is this is what my buddy said. This is the thing something cops I don't and this is not just about women because there's a lot of women who can do it and handle themselves But you should be able to fucking handle yourself if you're gonna be a cop period when you see a lot of these cops

That are like small people with no physical ability to restrain Someone and no martial arts background where there's a small man or a small woman. That's crazy That's what my buddy said. He said he says forgive me for saying this but women shouldn't be on the street I don't think that's all women. There's some I'm just telling you the general feeling and yes, of course He says some kick-ass kick-ass women he works with he says but in general you get someone who's on on meth or some crazy shit like that you have no idea what comes out of a dude right that's insane you should be strong as fuck and you should be really well trained and i think you know ideally you would want it to be like an elite soldier that's what you would want out of a cop and through that you would get more

disciplined too you get people that get more disciplined, too. You get people that are more disciplined. Because there's a lot of these people that they get these jobs. Like, who had a bit about that? Someone had a bit about it, about growing up with cops. Fucking who was that? Whoever it was. They had a good bit about it, about guys who were cops when they grew up.

I think it's Tim Dillon. It's Tim Dillon. That's who it is. About guys who were cops when they grew up. I think it's Tim Dillon. It's Tim Dillon. That's who it is. About guys who were cops when he was growing up. Like the kind of guys you grew up with and then became cops. It shouldn't be that way. It should be a really well respected job. It's a very important job.

Used to be. But somehow or another it stopped being that. Whether it's through corruption or too much crime or just fatigue. Literally, literally by what we're discussing here is put them on edge. All these things now are no longer possible. All these violations are possible. We're shifting these rules and undeniable. I call it the Soro sisters.

But we have all these district attorneys who were pretty much funded by George. I don't think it's George. So I think it's his son, Alexander. He's probably running the show now. I believe that they have a mission to subvert America. I think they don't love America. They want to create lawlessness. But this is a common conspiracy theory, air quotes, right?

But I've had it told to me by very credible people. And the idea is that what one would do is one would, we don't want to accuse anybody, but if one wanted to do that, what one would do is they would fund a very, very progressive politician, district attorney, what have you. Get him into office. Then once they get him in office, then fund someone who's way to the left of him. Fund him. Push him. Get him and push him out. Fund the next one. Make him even crazier. Keep going. And then get in people's heads

that you have to defund the police. You got to say that. Say defund the police. Make it a narrative. We got to defund the police. Instead of retrain the police, instead of pay them or sort of like the same thing. Imagine if we looked at our country's education system and said, we got to defund the teachers. would be crazy you would never say that you'd be like no no they don't get paid enough this is crazy they're understaffed these rooms are too big what we need is more money that goes into education that's a general thing that like if you talk to rational how's that worked out but if you talk to rational people it was like but a bunch of people that are paying attention and really care about kids' futures,

that's what you'd say. We need more money to educate these children. The same thing you would say about cops. If you have problems with cops, you should say, listen, we've got to rework this. The idea of having no cops is so crazy. And then the idea of defunding them is almost just as crazy because you take the cops that are still there and you neutralize them. is almost just as crazy because you take the cops that are still there and you neutralize them. And this isn't exonerating anybody for any horrendous things that police brutality cases that we've all witnessed and we've all been terrified of and shocked by and infuriated by.

It's okay. We can have a conversation. It's fine. But that doesn't have anything to do with where it could go. Correct. So look at how this comes to be. It's the candidates who are put in and run at these local levels. It's the mainstream media, how everything is positioned, the words, very important words.

Yeah. Like defund the police, all these things. These are narratives. Like where do they start? Where does like defund the police start? Who's the first person to start saying that? I couldn't say, but you know, this goes all the way back to Black Lives Matter, Inc., as I consider it, not just Black Lives Matter movement. But, you know, there's a media is so prevalent now. There is so much fighting for your attention and little things catch and grab hold.

And we live by that. I mean, this Donald Trump will forever be in the history books as a horrible guy. God knows what they'll put on him with the January 6th as worst. I mean, what was that yesterday with the president and vice president? That was insane. So insane that they were comparing those dorks, those dorks breaking into Capitol. But that's writing a narrative. It's not cute anymore. It's not cute anymore.

It's not cute. But let's just explain to people what that was because a lot of people don't even know. Jamie, pull up what the statement was. Was it from the vice president that it goes down with, what did she say? It went down with 9-11 and what was the other one? Civil War. The Civil War. I have to say noagendashow.com because Dvorak will get so mad at me if I don't plug

The show yeah, no agenda show the only partner would ever want to work with he has nothing to fear He's always like you're trying to work work me out of the show. Oh, there would be no fucking show He's one of those guys. What is the quote the good guy? This is a complete insanity look January 6th was Embarrassing It was pathetic. It was confusing to me. Because there's parts of it that confused me. The parts where you have these clear agent provocateurs

in the audience calling for people to go into the Capitol. Eps. Yeah. Like, clear. And then there's video of cops opening up barriers. What is that? Why did they do that? Does it is there ever been an explanation? We really haven't seen like 10,000 hours of footage which is you know held under lock and key

So we can't really know exactly but you know, what's interesting about what they're what are you looking at? Okay, here it is Vice President Kamala Harris caused outrage Thursday by comparing the January 6 Capitol Hill right right to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 and the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington by al-Qaeda terrorists. Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all we have lived throughout. This is a beautiful piece. This is how it works.

I understand, but we have to read what people listening to this. But that's the whole point. They need to know what the whole statement was. I'm sorry. I understand, but we have to read what people listening to this, they need to know what the whole statement was. I'm sorry, I got you. Let me get what she said out. Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind us, remind all who have lived through them where they were and what they were doing

when our democracy came under assault. She said, dates that occupy not only a place in our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th 1941 September 11 2001 and January 6 2021. That's insane. This is That's an insane just that is casting a spell. This is neuro linguistic programming. Look at what it actually says It says certain she's telling the the world and the American public certain dates echo throughout history. She is building a frame.

When you hear 9-11, you see smoke, airplanes, buildings, mayhem. You see Pearl Harbor. Sure. That has now been put into your head. This is mind control. It's not novel, but that's exactly what it is. I don't think it's working. Well, I think it is working with a certain amount of people

But listen, there's a lot of people particularly people on the left that want to like discuss why? Fox News is not talking about the January 6th anniversary as if like when that date repeats itself a year later You have to bring this up Okay, let me tell tell you why this is happening, in my opinion. Okay. So they're trying to, if they could, convict everybody who had anything to do with January 6th in any fashion whatsoever. Now, this outfit called the Lawfare Group, they're the ones that I think wrote the whole strategy for Trump impeachment, maybe even for the Russia stuff, all of that. It's a group of very democratic fund. It's a huge law collective, really, really smart fucking people. They are now trying to mount a case against these insurrectionists, air quotes, using Sarbanes-Oxley.

And Sarbanes-Oxley was a law that was put into place really to make sure that Enron never happened again. And what is it they're trying to use at some section there, 1519, I looked at, I don't remember what it was. It says, if you in any way are trying to hamper or kill or stop someone from official testimony, then you can be arrested and go to jail for 20 years under Sarbanes-Oxley. It was never intended for this situation, but that's what they're trying to do. So that's why they want Sean Hannity's text message and all these people, because if you are any part of that, any part, I don't know if it'll fly, but if any part of that, if you are any part of that, any part, I don't know if it'll fly, but if any part of that,

you can fall under the statutes of this law and they'll lock you. They want to lock everybody up. I don't, listen, I don't think you can, if someone didn't know that that happened and that was going to happen, I don't think you can blame them for the actions of others that you say they influenced. I don't think so either. But let me finish of others that you say they influenced. I don't think so either. But let me finish. I'm sorry. It's okay.

Unless they say that, you know, I want you to do that, like that guy did, the agent provocateur. I want you to do that. I want you to go into that building. I want you to go after those people. I want you to take what's yours, that kind of talk. But there is an influence. So, like, what responsibility does someone have if they do push an influence? And not just that,

not just talk about the Capitol Hill thing, but what about like the fake Russia story? What about Russiagate? What about the people that were pushing a narrative that changed the way people thought about corruption in government? What about that? How come that's not a big deal? How come that all happened?

We know it's all bullshit and no one apologized. How come we know that the version of it that we were told versus what actually was going on? And that communications are kind of like common on both sides and the Clinton campaign communicated with them too. Who knows what the fuck they talked about?

But the idea that this was this terrible thing that Russia had subverted our government and they had taken over through Donald Trump and he's some sort of a fucking, you know, undercover agent. It was so dumb. I feel like Trinity in the matrix and you're Neo and you're just coming through this goo and I'm trying to hold you and love you and say, here we are. This is the reality of it all. We're living in a media simulation. That's it.

It's something weird. It's certainly something weird. I just give in to it. But, you know, let's talk about what we talked about earlier, just the overdose deaths. The number is so staggering. 100,000 last year. It's the number one killer of people 18 to 49, but you're not seeing it all over the news. Why are you not seeing it all over the news?

Why isn't this massive loss of life a front page story on cnn you know you know why that is because the number one advertiser of all brought to you by pfizer exactly yeah it's it is that's how it's controlled that's capture that's total capture that's capture that's capture yeah now what i've one thing that i heard that's very promising is that CNN plans on going to straight news now. John Malone, I think John Malone, he's now buying CNN. And that's why I think we're seeing a lot of changes. He hates the talent. He hates what they're doing. He doesn't think they're doing news anymore. I think that's why, hey, we get the Cuomo kid out. People are auditioning. You can see Jake Tapper trying to do a little pushback,

kind of pushing back against the narrative. People are jockeying for position there. There's going to be a massive, massive shakeup. And it may actually be good. John Malone's a pretty serious dude. He doesn't fuck around He may actually want to try and get back to news keep Jake Tapper. I like that guy Yeah, he's a fair. He's a fair with a friend. I trust him. It's a fair with a friend I have a video of his face when President Trump got elected like cuz I was it was on election night we're at the Comedy Store and and I was in the comics bar, and Jake Tapper was doing the rundown of how President Trump had won the election.

And the look on his face was like, motherfucker. You know he wanted to say something, but he couldn't say anything. Friends of mine have a service business, and they were serving a, legit't give me a face now I believe you and they were serving I think it was the assistant director of the CIA on his birthday at his house and serving what they would deal with you know whatever your part was a party so they have they were doing something related to the party food stuff just related to the party and and um they said just in passing you know they never told me not to talk about it said it was really weird like like mostly cnn people were

there including jake taver like just hanging out on the guys on the guy's birthday is like well i guess if you want to keep working that's what you do but it just tells you everything man we thought the old way was all legit and on the up and up it's not good for us really to know all this shit it's not here's the thing we have to think of

as humans, capitalism's not bad what's bad is this shit like there's versions of capitalism that are great. You know, you want to buy something, you know it's a good company that makes it, the people get paid well, you buy it, you feel good, everybody's good. Like, those things still exist. The idea that they can exist, the idea that the only way to buy something is it has to be made overseas in some fucking horrible conditions in a sweatshop. That's the only way you could get it at a reasonable price here in America. That's bananas.

It's not like it's impossible. It's not like they're using fairy dust over there. Like, what the fuck are they doing? Well, I'll tell you what they're doing. They're getting people to work cheap. So it should cost a little more, and people should get paid better, and like, duh. It's such a simple formula, and we all would have clear consciences.

We all would know that if you're, like if you used to buy a car in Detroit, you wanted to buy like a Corvette when they first started making them. The fucking people made them. Like as soon as they had unions, those people were making good money. They had houses. They had a fucking boat by the lake. It was a well-paid job and it felt good to buy something that was made there because you knew whether or not it's because you're patriotic, which is fine, or it's because if you know that you're giving another human being a good wage because you're buying something from a company that takes care of people. That should be one of our most important things we think of when we spend money.

Then I suggest you get the Fink on the show. The Fink. The Fink. Larry Fink. Sounds like you're calling him a cleaner. I call him the Fink. Larry Fink. Sounds like you're calling him a cleaner. I call him the Fink. Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock. Oh.

You get him on the show and say, listen, motherfucker, you control 10% of the world's, all the world's wealth, $10 trillion in assets. You actually manage the United States money, the Federal Reserve money. You buy bonds and stocks and do that on our behalf. We pay them. Okay, they lose money. So what? They ride along.

You have all this control. You are pushing ESG. We talked about that last time, environmental social goals. So you're making all these choices and you're kicking people off boards and you're using your influence. Why the fuck are you doing it what's your point i think you just asked him hopefully he'll respond via instagram adam curry on twitter

maybe he'll respond i don't know i'm not educated in that subject enough to ask any questions a lot of people who watch the joe rogan experience know exactly what i'm talking about no i'm sure for sure like if i had someone like that on i would have to do a deep dive oh oh dude hilarious it's not fun it's not fun when i i think about deep dives on you know air quotes evil because i don't know if it's real i don't know how much of it's real but i know that throughout history there have been enormous entities, whether they're armies or governments or religions that have wrecked havoc on the human race. Of course. And you know how it always goes? The people in control of the money,

they start creating more of it or they start devaluing it in some other way. And most recently, the Roman Empire, of course, less and less silver, less and less gold, clipping coins. And that's what always puts us clipping coins. And that's what always puts us into trouble. And that's exactly what's happening. Yeah. And that's what I was going to say. What I was going to say is, and if you don't think that can happen right now, you're crazy. It's always happening. And we always have to fight against it. And so like, when people think that, like the idea of saying that freedom is important is a frivolous notion. You have to understand what you get when you don't have freedom. Then other people have control of you. Once people have control of

you, they do bad things. If you look at the places that have the most control over people, and Australia is one of them because everyone's unarmed, because they took the guns away in the 90s when they had one mass shooting. They took everybody's guns away. No, no, no, no. First of all, not everyone's unarmed. There are lots, but they didn't take them away. They gave them voluntarily. They went, oh, yeah. Okay. That's fine.

They're unarmed, though. There's very few rifles. Very few rifles that exist for hunting. It's mostly unarmed people. That's the difference. And what they're doing over there is crazy. They're imposing rules on these people. They're ignoring science when it comes to, like, whether or not you've recovered from it naturally because you got COVID.

Should you be exempt from taking a vaccine? No, it's like everybody needs the shot. What are you doing? They're saying now three is the shot. What's your number? What's your number? Israel's up to four? What's your number? When does it stop?

It gets to this point where you're going, okay, would that be possible in a place where everybody was armed? And I'm not saying people should rise up against government. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like the psychology of people where they have ultimate power over you because they have also, they have all the weapons. Just from the, not even this, let's not even look at this scenario. Let's look at just the psychological state of people that have absolute control over you

and then they want to tell you what to do. You know, there's some people that are bad parents. They're like, go to your room. Just shut up and go to your room. They want the kid to just shut up and go to the room because they don't want to deal with it anymore because they have the ultimate power over the kid. And then the kid feels like this is a terrible relationship. Like they don't want to listen to me.

I'm crying. I didn't really mean to do it that way. And you can't even talk to them. Go to your room. Shut the fuck up. Go to your room. That's some parents, right? It's also some governments. There's some governments that when they have the same

kind of ultimate power that a parent has over a child, they're shitty government, and they're mean, and they treat people as if they have to listen. They treat people as if they're second-class citizens, and they know better than you, even though they're just human beings, they know better than you, and you're just going to have to do this. You're just going to have to get used to doing this because this is how we do things. Like, hey, no, fuck you. You're just a person. You shouldn't be telling all these other people who disagree how they have to and don't have to live their life. How can you do that?

The only way. You have to have ultimate power. Ultimate power. You have to be the only one who's armed. You have to be the only one who gets to say. You have to be stuck in this weird situation where you can change laws and change rules because there's an emergency. Get away all sorts of protections that people have had in the past. And then you never get them back.

I love you. I love you too. That was epic, perfect rant. But that's what we're dealing with. Well, so here's my only, this is all I'm working on because there's a whole slew of young people who are just opting out and they're moving to building parallel systems, parallel networks, which is pretty much the only thing you can do. We have all the technology, everything we need. My two projects, I bring them together, brought them together, is podcasting that is protected and Bitcoin. And I'm just on the Bitcoin train because I believe that my money is safer there. I'm not talking about versus the US dollar, just in general. And I think that that does, I think that

we will see that in our future as very, very protective for everything. As they say, Bitcoin fixes this. If you can fix the money, which is, that's the broken part. The money system is broken. It causes the inflation. It causes the misery. It causes wars because it's linked to oil. So we have to go protect all that shit. It's fucked up.

The dollar, I love America. We used to have our own, the banks would create dollars. They were promised to our notes until this Federal Reserve Act came into play. It was a takeover. That's what Kennedy was talking about. The power that is unspoken by man. It's this banking system. If we continue to be in that, we're just fucked. Yeah, and I have a lot of hope for crypto currencies. I really do I don't know too much about them But Bitcoin seems to be the one in the etherium the ones that the people who are in the know talk about the most And my point is that what we're seeing right now. It's either gonna go one way or the other

It's either gonna fall apart completely or we're gonna use this as an opportunity to right the ship and come up with a better way to live our lives. It's going to be one or the other. The fundamental difference, just so I say it, because otherwise people beat me up, the difference between Bitcoin and Ethereum is Bitcoin, there will only be 21 million. It cannot be changed. It cannot be inflated. you cannot say the same for ethereum oh that's that's the main difference also there's no ceo of of bitcoin oh the ceo of ethereum well there's there's if you look at the history of it eventually changes and that's going to be a problem well once someone you know it's interesting i love nfts i've never done one i'm not interested in it but you kind of know how that works.

There's one from Beatbull. Well, there you go. Yeah. This is fulfilling Klaus Schwab's dream. Is it? Yes. You will own nothing, and you will be happy.

So you get an NFT. I own nothing, and I'm fucking happy. You own everything you own, plus you own an NFT. It doesn't take away all your stuff. No, you don't own it. You don't own it.

It's beautiful. I love it. It's like baseball cards, only more crazy. But you do, because it's a non-fungible token, Adam. I know it is. Pretend like I understand it. Yeah, no, no. That's my thing now.

You nailed it. I'm just going to pretend. Now, a buddy of mine, these entertainment companies, they're doing so much money in these NFTs on the intellectual property that they already have. You know, just even, was it Brian Cox, you know, the guy from. Sure. Yeah, he's doing an NFT. He is?

I'm not allowed to say what it is, but yeah. He's going to do a free. What? Lamborghini is making an NFT. The physical company. Why not? Get those dummies to buy it. Well, now, in the dream of the metaverse,

the Silicon Valley controlled metaverse, NFT is going to be very, very important. They'll all be with their own shit coin. They'll be like whatever the meta coin will be. And then you have really more the Ethereum crowd who are building their own decentralized metaverse. But there, then you have really more of the Ethereum crowd who are building their own decentralized metaverse. But there, when you have a cool outfit that is one of a kind, you can trade it with someone and you do that through an NFT. That's a very valid reason if you're into

that. Do you think the future will be companies will come up with a coin and then you'll have to purchase the company's products with that coin? Let's say if Apple came up with its own coin, they seem to be one of the few companies that could easily do that. If they decided to have an Apple coin, and you'd buy all Apple products with Apple phones, Apple iMacs, and you just invest in... Wait, what do you mean no? Hold, please. I'm going to tell you what it is.

Hold, please. Let me finish. You let people invest in being a part of the company. So you buy coins, and through those coins, you can buy products, and you can invest a certain amount, and the coins go up, you actually make money, the coins go down, you lose money. And as the company keeps doing better, it's almost like another version of stocks or something. And you buy it all through that. Is that possible?

Possible. Now that you've heard me all the way through. Sorry. Is that possible? It's a very bad habit I have. No, that's okay. You're just excited to talk. I'm a fucking know-it-all. I'm very excited about it. No, you're smart as fuck. You're excited to talk. No, I'm irritated by

myself. I'm not irritated by you. Don't worry about it. That's kind of what Facebook wanted. Really? Yeah, Facebook had the Libra and it was all set up and then the US government intervened and said, fuck no, because that would become, that could easily become the default currency overnight. Facebook does all this local commerce. They own the classified market.

They own the real economy. You know, the small mom and pops, they own that shit, which is why everyone hates them, especially the news people, because they're taking their salaries. They're taking their fucking money away. Newspapers. Oh, my God. Anyway, that's not the plan. The plan is the central bank digital currency. You will have crypto.

You will have a digital wallet. It will be directly from the Federal Reserve to you. And there will be no little retail banking. That just won't happen anymore. All online? Oh, of course. No more brick and mortar in 50 years? No, no.

You just use it like you use Venmo now. Use it the same way, only it will be connected to the Federal Reserve, to the central bank. Now you've been completely morphed into where they want you to be because then they fully control you. Right. But do you think there'll be retail stores? You think there'll be retail, right? Well, if you believe in the metaverse that Neil Stevenson wrote about in Snow Crash, which I read. Actually, I had metaverse.com for a long, long time.

Is that Snow Crash? That's not that film. Isn't there a film called Snow Crash? Snow Piercer. No, no. Snow Crash. I would hate for it to be film. The only thing left in meat space once we live in the metaverse is Domino's pizza delivery and FedEx and hoverboards.

That's all that's left. In that order? Pretty much. In the meat space. I love that, too. Yeah, pretty much. The meat space. Yeah.

But, you know, I think there's a real possibility that, how about this, just for a scenario? You know, you're already in the gaming world. You kind of love it. You know, you've already in the gaming world. You kind of love it. You know, you got the goggles on. It's augmented reality. It's virtual reality. Now, maybe I can get a gig. You know, maybe I can put on a glove and do this and operate a robot, you know, remotely in a factory somewhere.

Or maybe I can train artificial intelligence, basically training to get rid of me. You know, these are all things that I believe is where Silicon Valley wants to take us. Could you imagine if that was a thing where you got a job in the metaverse and through the metaverse you were making things at a factory in a real place? Oh, that's going to happen. Oh, for sure. Come on, man. Elon's already jacking into your brain.

Of course this is going to happen. This is transhumanism. This is truly what one of the big agendas is, integrate people with technology. It would remove all the concern about safety at factories because you never worry about someone losing fingers when it's not really their hand. You've got some person who's controlling it remotely. They're nowhere near the actual metal getting cut. They're nowhere near the furnaces. They're nowhere

near any of the machinery that could fuck people up. They're doing it all remotely. Yeah. And it's going to look like real life. Yeah. Oh, fuck. So the most important thing is congregate people, get together with other people, hang out. And also be aware of it while it's happening.

Be aware of all this. That's the hardest part, man. That's the hardest part. That is the hardest part because it's too overwhelming, especially if you have a job. If you got a job doing something and then you have a family and you have hobbies and you have friends. Like, you don't have time to be thinking about this shit. Most people don't have the hobbies and the friends. We've been divided amongst vax and unvaxed and safe and unsafe and stay safe and go with Jesus.

And I hate this and I hate that and I hate you and left, right, blue, red, all this stuff is not healthy and it's probably not coincidental. You've seen these delivery bots, I'm sure, right, that are on the way out. There you go. So this one is shown off at CES. That's how I saw this.

What happens if it hits a pothole? Well, the interesting part here is how you control it. It's not necessarily like an AI autonomous thing. It's controlled by a guy in an Oculus headset in his office. What? There's your kid's future, Joe, right there. So he walks with you? No, no.

He's at home. But wait a minute. But the guy there. He's steering it. That guy loaded it up just like at the office or whatever. He just put the shit inside of it And then this Hold on

So he loads it at the store And then a guy somewhere drives it to your house Like the Uber driver, if you will What? He just doesn't even leave He stays at home Look at him How quick before those guys go blind?

It seems like it's happening, right? That shit can't be good for your eyeballs But that's like a metaverse job I think that's the least of the problems. Doing that all day, they're like, we don't need eyeballs, we're just gonna drill straight into your fucking temple and give you these posts so you can strap those goggles on, you'll see everything much clearer.

But we're already doing this. That's what CAPTCHAs are. CAPTCHAs are literally helping Google train their artificial intelligence. That's crazy though. How many times have you seen it? Oh, train, train, train. Bus, bus, bus. Thanks. so you just helped train it with pictures that were random and you helped google learn what a train looks like it's important shit man i know like are you a robot train check show me you're not a robot

and i'm going to use your data yeah yeah That's funny that it's actually training artificial intelligence. It's good. It's good artificial intelligence. I mean, it knows what you're interested in buying. They'll let you know every time you open up your email. No, this is not good, Joe. I want to just hear from Joe, my buddy Joe. I want him to say, hey, this was a cool thing I ate.

Well, I'm getting this new gig with Google, and I'm on their side now. There is one thing. Duck, duck, go fuck yourself. Technology I'm legit excited about, and I'm really their side now. There is one thing. Duck, duck, go fuck yourself. Technology I'm legit excited about, and I'm really jacked, and that is flying car and or personal VTOL. I don't think you're going to get flying cars because I think they'll sabotage them with accidents. I think the best way to control people is to keep them on the ground in grids so you can cut off the grid, stop the maze right there, and then you can capture them. Okay.

If people could just fly around, Let me qualify. Let me qualify. I'm a licensed fixed-wing helicopter pilot, so whatever is on the market, I can fly, and I can fly legally, and there's not going to be a lot of people doing what I'm doing for a long, long, long time.

Really? Oh, the regulation, long, long time. But- Really? Oh, it's the regulation. Exactly what you said. Flying is not as beautiful as it looks. You got wind, you got weather, you got visibility, you got human performance, you've got mechanical performance. It's a lot of moving parts unless it's completely autonomous. You get a piece of paper when you pass that. It's for a reason, it's not easy to get, you got to learn it and you got to do it. And so that's not just how do I operate the aircraft. But for me personally, CES, the Consumer Electronics Show is on right now in, I think, Vegas. They're debuting the coolest fucking shit and it's almost there. Look at this Jetson One. fucking shit and it's almost there look at this Jetson one so it's like a one person basically a drone and you can take it right out of my garage but go

pop up and fly to see my buddy Joe they're not quite there yet only does 50 mile radius but I think in three years in three years that if they figure out the battery technology which is still questionable this is the kind of shit, man. Look at this. But what about when people are going to crash into each other in the sky? No, but fuck that. That's going to be decades before that happens. No, this is for elites like me and you, Joe Rogan.

I'm going to go over there. I'm going to hover at your house. Hey, buddy. Whoa. You're going to pop up and you're Jetson 1. Bro, that's wild. I mean- How easy is it?

It flies like a drone. Yeah. That's crazy, man. I think you can- This is real? Oh, no, you can buy them. This is real? $95,000, I think.

Yeah, I think this is $95,000. This is real? Yeah. Jamie, doesn't this look fake? I think we need to figure it out for ourselves. What do you think? Let's buy one. No, no, because you'll be on the schedule for 2023. It could cost someone.

This looks like a really good video game. I thought at first it was 100%, and then they shut that thing in. I was going to ask you, YouTube started showing me yesterday, for some reason, paramotor videos. Para? Yeah, where you've got a parachute and a big fin on your back. Do you need a license for that, or can you just do it? But you can't do much.

You can't, like, fly to Austin from Hill Country. Well, the guy that i just watched he had like a 10 gallon tank and went up to 17 000 feet and oh i mean but he's probably a pilot he probably has a license all right yeah no none of this is going to be in consumers hands anytime soon that is a wild looking but how much but i could roll that right out of my garage 2023 i think maybe so you think like 2050 people are flying around this is a proof of concept No, it's gonna be it's gonna be services. So you have like 10 person, you know pop pop in So people can live outside of the urban core land on the rooftop. That's coming But the regulations and the the lawsuits we can't even figure out 5g now with these regulatory The FAA is fighting the FCC.

Well, if people decide to fly drones, they can fly drones over places, but there's restricted airspace. If we get rid of that whole idea of restricted, if people could just fly across borders, everyone from Mexico that wants to live in America is going to move. It's not going to happen, Joe. But if we get to a point where those things are more common Like borders won't mean shit if you can just fly around. I'm just going to remove that thought. We're not going to have the flying cars. I mean, it's just, it's not practical unless we have some new technology, but it will all have to be managed in a full-time grid.

Yeah. I mean, so that you have scheduled times. I mean, yeah, in the future, in a futuristic movie, of course, we dream about the self-driving car. Let's make that work first. Right. So the air is a whole – you've got other factors going on. No, I'm not saying it's practical. Yeah.

But I'm just trying to look out from here to the eventual changing of all the things we do, whether it's transportation. Yeah, I don't know if I like any of it. I mean, I'm just getting old. Do you like cigars? I love cigars. Oh, beautiful. I don't smoke them very often. In fact, only here.

I have JRE cigars. Oh, with your mug on them? Yeah. Oh, that's cute. Foundation Cigar Company made them for me. Oh, that's cute. Wait a minute. You know what?

These are a little dry. These haven't been in the humidor. Yeah, let's try it. So you're always an optimist no matter what even through all this crazy shit that's going on well you never lose faith i think my my my optimism right now is that people are seeing what's going thank you people are seeing what's going on and uh there's a lighter tune yeah and they're seeing that we can't fix these institutions with politics. Look at this. Introducing the world's only contact lens that elevates your vision.

Jesus Christ. They're going to take your whole eye out eventually. They're going to give you a bitch ass eye. This is full. The way they're describing this is AR and then a contact lens. Look. For sports use at first, which I didn't know. Oh, yeah.

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Did you really do that? I did. That's harsh. I was doing it as a government agent. I was gonna say what they would say to you. I was gonna say, Adam Curry, don't you worry about that. Don't you worry about that. What's important is that you see better.

You'll be a more productive member of our society. You'll be better at everything you do. You'll be able to see things. This is the moment in history where people get to make that choice. They tricked you with the glasses. They started you with the glasses. Either we all go towards that future lockstep and let other people kind of control the direction we go,

or we determine some of that ourselves. Yes. I'm a hundred percent with you. I'm just talking shit. No, I know, but there's a lot. I'm just building my narrative. It's a good narrative. There's a lot of young people who are opting out of these systems because it's not all compulsory. Right. You know, you can't, there are options. You can do other things with your time. You can do different types of jobs. You maybe go to a different type of education system. Look at alternative types of medicine.

Yes. Why not? People are no longer really afraid to even find each other and organize and hang out. And this is, to me, the optimist, this is where I'm very excited. And it's 28, 29, 30 year olds, up to 40.

These are the people that I'm focusing on. The alternatives are there. Check out Fuck the Joneses. Who gives a flying fuck what they do. Stop caring about yourself that much, what other people think of you, and find family, friends, et cetera, and mentor other people. You know, let's get, you know, men are, a lot of men are doing this.

This is a silent revolution of men trying to put together new systems. Some, and some are, they're watching their taint shrink. Well, they're seeing their younger brothers. Dude, your taint is not cool, bro. We got to get some beef in you. Imagine if they came out with the technology that made your taint grow, and they just had all these studies of why you want a longer taint. The marketing would be off the hook.

Hi, I'm Adam Curry. Here with Joe Rogan. Let's talk about your taint. There's a solution. Hello, we're 15. I, I'm Adam Curry. He was Joe Rover. Let's talk about your team. There's a solution. Hello, we're 15. I still love that. That's what I love about you. We're still 15. Well, that's a real thing though. I mean, it's a silly thing to make fun of, but it's a real thing. So it seems like there's so many compounding issues. There's that, there's our insistence of being deeper and deeper integrated into technology and our need for innovation where we always want the newest, best technology.

We're never satisfied until we get better and better stuff. And then this integration with that technology through some sort of a system of communication that can be controlled, whether it's social media, whatever it is, whether it's the news, whatever it is, where you can control whatever people hear and what becomes normalized. I think the problem here is that the control comes at a meta level. So we've discussed finance. Let's talk about energy now, because that's the next control pincer that is coming down on us. You think that's what all this climate change talk is about?

100%. And they revealed themselves recently, and this was kind of interesting how this happened. So we've been hearing, you know, for years and years and years, we've been hearing about solar, wind, solar, wind, this is all going to be great. And slowly everyone starts to dismantle. Throughout Europe, natural gas, even here in Texas now, you can no longer get a home

that has gas heating or a gas stove. It all has to be electricity. They're removing all gas. Gas is evil. Gas is greenhouse gas. We can't have any of this. Nuclear has to shut down. Everybody shut the fuck up. Get rid of your nuke plants. Germany, they're the ones that went all in. They closed down their gas plants, most of them. They just recently closed down their last nuclear reactor and then all of a sudden to the week the european union says yeah we think we're going to classify natural gas and nuclear as green investments so there's the reveal. Bill Gates has investments in nuclear. And they're fucking the Germans because the Germans literally shut down

their last nuclear plant. So they realized, maybe it was a plan from the beginning, but they realized that the solar and wind, you can't do it without supplemental energy, natural gas. Nuclear is the ultimate solution. It's not as dangerous as it used to be.

And I think they gaslit the whole fucking world. And now in context, I kind of also understand the Uranium One deal that happened during the Obama administration that Hillary Clinton signed off on, which gave away a lot of the U.S.'s nuclear fuel. Maybe this has been a long time coming. Like, get all the shit out, then we're going to control the energy with nuclear fuel. Maybe this has been long time coming. Get all the shit out, then we're going to control the energy with nuclear and gas. But hold on. When they first started innovating with solar and with wind, the people that were involved in those businesses, those were entrepreneurs and engineers and scientists that were trying to figure out how to extract the most amount of energy from the wind, the most amount of energy from solar. And then over time, I think they found that there's some serious restrictions.

Like you have to have wind. If you don't have any wind, you don't have no electricity. Like I flew by in California once and I looked down at this wind farm and I'll never forget. None of them bitches were spinning. None of them. I disagree about that. I think that there was a promise that battery technology would advance along with the solar and wind technology. And a lot of promise, including, I would say, arguably from Elon.

And it just hasn't happened. Right. That's what I just said. We just don't have. Right. But, okay. That's what I meant. Oh, you meant the battery technology.

All the technology. Okay. Because it's really, that's the chokehold, is the battery. Yes. The battery is, but it's what I meant. Oh, you meant the battery technology. All the technology. Okay, because it's really, that's the chokehold is the battery. Yes, the battery, but it's also the wind doesn't, they don't get much power out of the wind. There's all kinds of issues. If the wind is blowing too hard, you can't overload the grid, so they have to turn them off. Yeah.

There's that problem too. Now, the real issue, and this is what happened, in my my opinion in Texas when we lost power for four or five days, the energy that we consume has been traded and commoditized 20 times over up to five years ago by energy suppliers. This is what ERCOT is. It's basically a real-time auction every five minutes. On this side is Austin saying, hey, I need some energy. And on that side are the suppliers. And they say, okay, I'll buy yours for $75 a megawatt hour. And then after five minutes, they're looking at these prices and I'll grab yours. Those prices ran up to $9,000 per megawatt hour just before this all happened. And what took, this is basically Enron never went away. These are just people who are trading energy like it's stocks and bonds. And because of that, no one thought that, hey,

you know, maybe we should at least fire up one plant at a possible loss because it takes several days to do just in case this storm is bad. They took the risk of the money, losing money over everybody else. And that's been completely covered up, not talked about. It's a fucking mess. It really, and it's just, it's just the wall street bets going on right there. Not Wall Street bets, but like betting on Wall Street going on with our energy supply. And no one knows. Well, Abbott knows. The people know. Now climate change activists are using this as Texas can't manage their grid. We got a great grid. We got assholes who are trading our futures. And german companies not even american or texan what yeah that is so bonkers yeah well this is the world when you start to look at it again the problem and one one of the reasons why i appreciate you and many other people so you got the time to pay attention to this shit whereas most people just don't they just don't the no agenda show allows me to do this work all day long that's's my job. Thank God you're here. I learned

so much from you. Whenever we talk, I'm like, what? No, come on. Really? Every time we talk, what? Really? What? When did they start doing that? And I guess we don't really talk much outside of the show. But how many of our conversations are me saying, what? I don't know. I just always come away thinking, holy crap, I love what I do. I love this. It's so fun. It's fun. It's fun. I really, really, really love it. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. It is fun. We're lucky as fuck, dude. Well, luck is- We really are. I mean, it is kind of lucky. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity. Yeah, it's where mental illness meets an opening.

Whoa. Deep. Deep. an opening. Whoa. Deep. It finds some way to navigate through this system where it seems to thrive. I'd spent very little time in college. Me too. I went to college for three years. Oh, I went three months. But it was like a part-time. I was working at the same time and I was competing at the same time. So I wonder if we just didn't get the programming. No, I wasn't wasting my time. I just went to college so that people wouldn't think I was a loser That's literally the reason why I went I went to UMass Boston

And so it was the city schools like a commuter schools a lot of people had jobs would go to there It was good school, but I didn't give a fuck I just was I was just doing it because I thought it was something you were supposed to do and You know, I've always had this thing where I'll find a thing, whatever it is, and I become obsessed and that's all what I wanted to do. And at first it was martial arts and then it became standup comedy. But during that time I was also trying to go to school. So if I've got that thing where I'm obsessed with, I'm not thinking about other stuff and I know I'm supposed to, but I'm not. And I thought, I'm very similar. I thought it was going to turn me into a total loser because I thought I wasn't

going to be able to keep a job where I had to do things that I did not want to do, which is what I thought most people had to do all day long, which really is the case for most people. So that's where mental illness meets an opening. Yeah. Right. Because a normal person would, uh, back off of certain controversial issues or they wouldn't they wouldn't speak their mind they wouldn't say something crazy if they thought it was funny they they would they would it's too risky why take a risk when you're you're managing all this would be better if you were less controversial then you get more sponsors and then you'd have more people paying for things it's like i don't think that's true anymore i don't i don't think that's real anymore i think we're we're at this point where we realize that

Whatever our views of our society are whatever our views of culture and civilization are they're shaped by other people And they're shaped by other people who may or may not have thought this through There's examples of people who absolutely have thought this through and they're fascinating examples Fascinating accounts of people who wrote things down that still inspire us to this day even people who you know wrote the declaration of independence and what a bunch of crafty fucks sitting around thinking how do we how do we write down some rules to keep this thing on the rails as long as possible it's fascinating right but not most people most people aren't thinking like that most people don't have the time to think like that they don't have the time to think like that. They don't have the chance to think like that.

But these are all, priority is, I think, the difference. People have time. Look, this is, that's the one commodity. That's right there, is your time preference, is how long you're willing to wait for something. You know, we used to save money. Now we buy stuff on credit. You know, that's just a complete reversal. It's also your obligation. If you wait until you're like 35, 36 years old and you have a deep investment in a company that you've been working for for 10 years plus and you also have a family and you have a mortgage, it's very difficult for anybody to rock the boat. But there's a lot of people that are opting out of that. They're going to live in yurts and working non-profit small things, local stores, setting up shops.

And that's perfect too. I don't know what Valhalla is, but I moved out of Austin because I was ready. Give me some acreage. Let me hang out a little bit. Yeah, wake up and hear birds and shit. I heard an owl this morning.

Nice. They're fascinating because everybody wants to think they're cute. They're the meanest motherfuckers. I remember one time I was flying home, or driving home rather, and this owl flew above my car and dropped a rabbit on the road in front of me. Oh, sure. Yeah, sure. Because sometimes when you startle them, if you drive by and they have their prey, they

try to fly with it, but then they realize like, hey, this rabbit's fucking heavy. I got to let this bitch go. I can't move. And they just blang, just let it go on the highway or on the road rather. So I pulled over to the side of the road and I got out and I looked at this gutted rabbit. Like all of his guts were missing to the owl had torn apart. I'm like, wow, we think of these things as being like these- Cute.

Wise. Give a hoot. Don't pollute. Did you know they can swivel their head 360 degrees? Did you know they know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop? One. They can't help but eat. We had a commercial where an owl can't help but eat a lollipop.

Remember that? That was his shit. The owl wanted those Tootsie Roll Pops. But they're awesome predators. Look at that sad programming that is still with that was his shit. Yeah. The owl wanted those Tootsie Roll Pops. But they're awesome predators, man. Look at that sad programming that is still with us to this day. They kill a lot of other predators, too, man. A lot of birds and shit. That's why you want them around.

Well, you want them around for the varmint. He's going after that rabbit. They have this face that looks cute, but that's just so they can hunt so effectively at night. There's an amazing video, I don't know if you've ever seen it, of an owl snatching a hawk out of its nest in the middle of the night. Yes, I have seen that. Yeah, that's badass. That beast, bro.

And then for every owl, there's an eagle ready to eat them. And of course, you know, well, that's the important part because the owl represents the Illuminati, but the eagle represents America. America! America!

Yes! It's funny that we have an eagle, rather, as our national animal. Why? They wanted to have a puppy at first. It was going to be a pit bull. No, it was the turkey. Ben Franklin wanted it. I think Ben Franklin wanted it to be a turkey.

Yeah. I thought it was the dog for a while. It was a dog. I think it was a pit bull. No. Oh, no, no, no. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. They wanted it to be. For a U.S. symbol? Yeah, for us to be our national animal. Yeah. I forget when this was. I want to say it was like early 1900s, which kind of makes sense because like if you have a loyal dog, especially if you use them in a rural area, chasing off wolves and-

I have one now. Hunting and stuff. Back then, a dog was like super important, especially like in the 1700s and the 1800s. If you had dogs to let you know that wolves were nearby, that was real. Like you had to really, they were going to eat your cows. You had to scare them off.

When I'm looking it up, it says the bald eagle is just a national bird and we have a different animal as the national mammal. We do? Yeah. What is it?

American bison. Oh. That makes sense. That's pretty cool. Yeah. They're just doing that because they're going to corner the bison market

and stop us from hunting bisons. And what they're trying to do is bison is better than beef, and they're trying to get rid of beef, and they're moving beef out, and they're going to start with this plant-based meat. But really what they're trying to do is get the bison back. And once they get the bison in place, they're going to say, well, this is the national animal. You can't shoot a bison. Only we can shoot a bison. So we know how many bison can get shot, and we'll control all the bison. And the bison will be the only way you eat.

And you're eating too much bison. Your kids are too big. Look at you. You're growing too tall. You all the bison, and the bison will be the only way you eat, and you're eating too much bison. Your kids are too big. Look at you. You're growing too tall. You get less bison. Move over, bald eagle. The U.S. has a new national animal. Oh, this is in 2018?

16. 16? They changed it to the bison? Mm-hmm. Oh, these fucks. I'm telling you, bro. So where we live now, I get up in the morning. There's like eight deer right on my property,

which I could take them out so easily. Yeah. What is the big deal with deer hunting? It seems quite simple. You just sit in your living room and just blow the fucker away. That is not deer hunting. Those are deer that live around people. Yeah.

Deer that live around people. Are they not tasty? They're very tasty. Okay. You definitely couldn't eat them if you wanted to. 100%. Just in case. The bucks, by the way, are fucking crazy right now.

They are trying. Not right now. Like two weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were gang raping. Yeah, yeah. It was insane. It was scary.

And then it ends. Yeah. Then it's over. They go shithouse mad for a couple weeks and then it ends. The thing about those animals near you is they're only there because people won't shoot them. See, like if you go to Yellowstone, they figured it out. Like if you go to Yellowstone, you can take selfies with a whole beautiful herd of elk. They're hanging out.

Just hanging out there. So there's a fucking Coca-Cola vending machine. And I have a selfie with me in front of it. I think I put it on Instagram of me in front where these deer behind me. I'm smiling They just this elk rather just hanging out So they figured out that wolves won't go to the visitor areas So the elk just walk down the street right if you go to evergreen, Colorado evergreen Colorado is famous for having elk walk down the center of Main Street where they literally stop traffic and they'll have elk fights where they smash into

Each other in the middle of the street. It's wild man. They crash into people's cars It happens all the time like I have friends who live there who send me videos Looking out their fucking front window and an elk screaming on their lawn a big-ass elk huge because they figured out that people won't hunt Them there so they go there, but if you go to the woods those elk act radically different they smell you and they run if you they just catch your wind their ears go up and they're gone so run off and they bark i foresee a problem because i think there's too many deer right now near me should we be uh getting rid of them if you started hunting them they would go away they would find a place we might need to do that eventually it just seems like there's too many, you know, because the hill country is building up with

non-hunting people like myself. Yes. Well, there's plenty of people in Texas that hunt. But the thing about Texas is it doesn't have much public land. Texas is mostly private land. So you either have to pay to get on someone's land or ask them. Like some people will let you get on their land. Have you been to Uvalde where the big ranch is?

No, I haven't, but I heard it's awesome. My point is that like for a regular person, it's hard. It's hard to get the money to do it. You know, it's like if you want to go to a ranch and you have to pay to shoot deers, whether if it's on public land. Oh, it's way too expensive at these private ranches. If you're on public land, there's a lot of places in this country where you can get a general over-the-counter tag and you have a pretty good chance of encountering a deer. You know, decent.

But on these ranches, you've got a fucking 100% chance of encountering deer. They're all over the place. It's a weird form of hunting to a lot of people. A lot of people don't like the feeders, the whole situation, but if you want to get meat, it's the best way to do it.

Like, if that's what your concern is, like, let them roam around, and then every now and then when they're eating, I'm going to whack one. Like, that's kind of a different thing. Okay, all right. That's how it would be in your backyard. Thank you for correcting me. So if you wanted to keep, my point is, if you wanted to, like, almost farm, what you do is you leave food out for the feeder.

I don't even know if this is legal, so don't do it. People have feeders all over the place. Okay, well then it is legal. It's probably legal here. You can buy a tiger. Texas is pretty loose with what they allow with wildlife. Just saying. But if you did that, then you would establish that there was always food there, so you would get a steady amount of deer there,

and then every now and then you whack one. But if you whack one with a bow and arrow, it'll be way quieter and probably not freak them out as much. So, like, they probably won't even know what's going on. One of them gets hit. Whack. There's a noise. They run off.

And then they fall down. I told you about the kangaroos, right, when I went out with the kangaroo shooter in Australia? Yes, you did. That was just too funny, man. You shine. Middle of the night, shine the light. Kangaroo's like, whoa. Bullet goes in. kangaroo next to him

Just that like oh, it's uh and for them. It's actually important you kangaroos are odd I think they're fascinating, but they're they're very prevalent and they're aggressive They're very aggressive especially the males some of them easy some some of them are way bigger too, right? Which one's a big one the red one of the gray't know one of them gets real big like seven seven eight feet yeah which is fucking you don't expect that you expect it's kind of scary if i'm standing in front of a fucking seven foot tall kangaroo with jacked arms like you're in real danger how much does it weigh you think 300 pounds at least because they're beefy those ones that you see that are super jacked i always wonder did they've been like tricking that one into working out like is that

just for the video we have such a skewed view of what the kangaroo is you know and we have a skewed view of australia i'm so because i did a documentary there in 1990 and i still came away with i might you know australians this is this is a knife mate you know that kind of like Crocodile Dundee and then sadly when it comes down to it now all these years later you know they started as a prison colony they're used to being locked down and that's what they're accepting that's what is happening here I think a lot of its culture look Joe we have the same Omicron here as in the Netherlands, as in Germany, as in Austria. Everything is the same thing.

Yeah, but it's not. Hold on a second. Let me stop you there. No, no, no. We do have the same Omicron, but that's not the majority of the cases. The majority of the cases right now, from what I just read, was Delta. It's still higher than Omicron. It's just Omicron's more contagious.

But we're not locked down. These countries are locked down. They're sending people to camps. Yes. Come on. I'm not defending that, but I just had to get that out because I think that is what's going on. I think there's this perception that it's only Omicron out there right now. And that's fine.

But my point is that the Delta is scary. That's more dangerous. This Omicron thing seems to be pretty mild, but that Delta one is scary. So I get people being scared, but the rules that they're doing, yes. There's no way they should be able to do that. But there's effective treatments if you get it. Yeah, there is. There's effective treatments. They should be pumping the shit out of those monoclonal antibodies because those are super effective. They're suppressing those. You know that, right? It's nuts, man. It's nuts. They are suppressing it. I've seen the emails in the health systems. We're limiting supply of

monoclonal antibody. However, the new Pfizer oral pill is really quite effective. Here's the statistics. You should prescribe that. So are they handing out that Pfizer pill already? Yes. Is it good? Does it work?

Who am I to say? I wouldn't take it. Maybe it works, man. I don't know. You have to take it with an HIV medication. Yeah, there's all kinds of weird shit around it. Oh, hey. What if know. You have to take it with an HIV medication. Yeah, there's all kinds of weird shit around. Oh, hey. What if they said you got to take it with Molly?

You got to relighten up, buddy. This is what we're going to give you. A little bit of this, a little bit of that. I've never done MDMA, Molly, anything like that. I only did it once, and I still think about that day. No. What a day. No, no, no.

I'm not interested. Why are you not interested in feeling love? Holding people's hands. Just lying in the sand like it's the best day of your life. Just, ah, just sand. My wife keeps telling me, why don't you have Joe come to our place and we'll introduce you to mushrooms together.

Oh, I'll do that. Done. Okay, let's do it. Done. Have you done no psychedelics? Never. Well, I've done DMT twice. Oh, what the fuck are you talking about?

Well, I don't know. You've been to the motherland. I don't know. That was very cool the motherland. I don't know. I have no... That was very cool, by the way. That's a good way to put it. Being a stoner. Being a stoner.

You know, used to kind of like hazy and it was just like this fresh wind and, oh my God, the carpet is alive. That's kind of cool. Oh, I see your energy. Hold on a second. I'm going to put that over there. Pa, Jamie, catch the energy. Yeah.

And I liked that it ended. Yeah. 20 minutes whoo of course you were dead tired for 48 hours after that really oh i didn't like that part at all i didn't get tired at all i didn't feel any of that yeah i felt zero that was a while ago it was do you think it was a physical tired from the experience and being overwhelmed where it was like a psychological no no just my body felt tired I don't know that's you got impure stuff because a lot of times people that are making it like it came from the druid it was the actual tree

bark it wasn't yeah no I'd certainly I'm not interested in doing synthetic DMT well here's the thing from what I understand the synthesis of it is quite complicated I mean it's quite easy for someone who knows how to do that kind of stuff, but to an average goon who wants to start making DMT, it's not easy to do. For an average goon who doesn't have a background in chemistry. I'm pro MDMA, for instance. Hold on, please. Let me finish.

So the point is, some people probably don't do the best job. This is not my idea, by the way. This is explained to me by my friend who knows these things. He said they don't do the best job of making it pure. And you can tell oftentimes by the differences in the color of it. And that the better versions of it, more synthesized versions of it, when they're doing this whole process, are like a lighter color. And as they get darker and darker, they might have other shit in them.

Meaning other plant chemicals and compounds that they haven't extracted out. This is, again, I'm a moron, I don't know if this is true, but the way he was explaining it to me, that's why a lot of people don't feel good when they do it. Because you're taking it, it's like if you smoked maple leaves, if you rolled maple leaves up and smoked them,

you'd probably feel like dog shit you know you probably feel fucking horrible like who knows what's in those things that you're taking into as opposed to like sure cigarettes which people are accustomed to and still can make you feel like shit or marijuana which is like normal right so that's probably that's possible i just thought that at the time i was sold on the it comes from this guy he's the druid and he got it from the tree bark so i kind of believe that maybe i was wrong. I was misled. No, it's probably just not the best version Was it brown? I don't know. We like put it in the bong. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, the bongs weird well and for months after that that smell oh, yeah. Oh my god the burnt plastic

It's whatever it is like you walk past. Oh my god DM. The burnt plastic? It's whatever. It's like you walk past, oh, my God, DMT over there. And it was, like, not appealing, but it was so distinct. It's like just, oh, my God. I smell it sometimes. I was in a hardware store the other day, and I smelled it. And I know it wasn't real. I mean, I know it was just a smell. And it made me, like, let that part of my brain.

Oh, it was a flash, and you got a flashback. No, no, no. I think there was a smell. And for whatever reason, my brain said, oh, remember the smell of DMT like almost like made me Associated with it right like close enough just close. Yeah, and that's the face you make Not good scary not good, but I didn't have any physical aches or pains afterwards, but I wouldn't be surprised I've been wouldn't be surprised if it hits people different ways to like I know people that have gotten high and the next day They're wrecked just from marijuana.

Yeah. Oh, totally, yeah. The more you smoke, the less you need, basically, to get high is my experience. Yeah, for sure. Or going longer periods in between. But I kind of like just microdose my way through life in general. Microdosing mushrooms is a great move. It's a great move.

I was talking about marijuana. Microdosing mushrooms is a good move, too, though, man. It's a good move. I was talking about marijuana. Microdosing mushrooms is a good move too, though, man. It's a good way to get introduced to it too because it's very gentle. I also like being completely just clear-headed

and enjoying a good meal with a glass of wine. Sure. I like that too. It's not like 24-7. No, no, no. I'm not... That's the cool thing

about microdosing. You just stop like, okay, I'm done now. It's good. Microdosing with mushrooms, you don't experience much in terms of, like, there's no, like, I'm high now. It's, like, this weird slight elevation. This is why people like to microdose because it allows you to completely function normally.

Like, I've had many, like, completely lucid conversations with some of my favorite people, and they told me they were microdosing. It's very, very common now amongst Silicon Valley people and a lot of tech people. They're microdosing both LSD and mushrooms. And what they'll do is they'll get somebody. It shows in their actions. Hey, we need to roll that gang up there. I don't know. I don't think that's a problem.

They're all high. That's probably the only thing keeping them from going fucking full crazy. Remember when they were all conservatives and were reading Ayn Rand? What was that? That was kind of from Bush to Obama

and that became really unpopular overnight. Like everybody was handing out Atlas Shrug to their employees and this is the way to go. Objectivism and, you know, like freedom. It was kind of still the information for much more conservative leaning, which a lot of Silicon Valley really is because, of course, just the amount of money, you know. So they're socially liberal because it's a good posture? I think most of them now are in total capture. There's no, I mean, how can you be an investor in Google

and be a Republican? You know, I don't think that's possible anymore. You can't sit on a board. People just fuck with you. No, I think that's, that's, that's, you can't get investment. You can't get investment, Joe.

Back to the fink. Right, but when it comes to money, they're very conservative in terms of like using offshore accounts and the way they structure their taxes. They're very right-wing in that regard, right? I would argue this actually has nothing to do with left or right-wing. That's just rich. Conservative, I should say.

Fucking rich. Right, and rich people are generally in that regard conservative. Just rich. America has double standard if you have the money you can beat the rap if you have the money you can not go to jail for financial crimes that's just the fact

and the little guy which you and I are part of even you we would get fucked no you gotta pay them taxes pay that VIG I don't care how you structure it. You got to pay the vague. When I hear about people not paying their taxes, I'm like, dude, listen.

This is not a good idea. Pay the fucking taxes. Finally, good to see Wesley Snipes back on the screen after he didn't pay his taxes. And wasn't that why he went to jail and all kinds of crap happened to him? I think he had a bad advisor. Oh. Yeah. Well, it was a part of the sovereign.

I think it was part of the sovereign man movement where tax hasn't been ratified. And so I'm just happy for the brother. He's back. He's back acting. He's kicking ass. He's in that Kevin Hart series which we just started watching. I'm a big fan of that dude, even though I was supposed to have an MMA fight with him at one point in time. Oh, really?

You would have kicked his ass? I don't know. Who knows? I think so. Things happen. People punch each other in the face. You could still do it now because you're a little older. You look all cool. You look all a little old and cool and face. You could still do it now because you're a little older. You look all cool.

You look all a little old and cool and shit. You could just bulk up training. I'd be in your corner holding the towel. Dude, you don't want to get hit when you're 54. You don't want to get head kicked at 54. It's a terrible idea. Okay. It's a terrible idea.

Literally, it could change your whole life. Your reactions are slower. I believe it. I believe it. I know you're kind of joking around, but just as a general rule, your reactions are slower. I believe it. I believe it. I know you're kind of joking around, but just as a general rule, your reactions are slower. Like no matter how good you think you are, even if you look fast, you're not as fast. Like I'm pretty fast still, but I'm not as fast as I was when I was like 19 or 20. It's not even close.

And the difference is you're not as fast in getting away from stuff either. And if you get head kicked at 54, you might wake up a totally different person. You might wake up like really sad. Ser oh serious depression happens to a lot of people with like severe head injuries and believe me getting head kicked is a fucking severe head injury it's severe if someone wheel kicks you in the face and knocks you unconscious i mean it's like getting hit with a bat and when people get hit with a bat like they're they're fucked man they lose memories they have like severe problems sometimes with their endocrine system because their testosterone shuts down because apparently shock to the system yeah when you get rattled like that your pituitary

gland is very uh very delicate and your pituitary gland gets rocked like dr mark gordon covered that with all of his tbi research that people that were like kicking down doors and blowing up things in in the military sure yeah those lots of those football players a lot of fighters and that's what this this this all comes from is that the brain's like super delicate there's like real good therapies that they've devised like magnetics and some other stuff with hormone replacement and stuff but make no mistake about it like getting hit in the head is fucking terrible for you this is why I always protected my head with a big helmet of hair.

Nice. I tried. I did my best. Oh, I didn't mean it that way. I'm sorry, brother. You did. You're hair shaming me. No, not at all. I didn't mean it that way. No, listen, that's one thing that I'm not insecure about anymore. I was when I was younger and I was losing my hair, but now that I've shaved my head, I wish I could have shaved it from the beginning.

I would have definitely shaved it from the beginning. It's so much easier. Well, it took me decades to just cut it short just fucking cut it and and now like oh my god I actually get my hair what wet under the shower I used to have to shower like this because my I would take forever to dry to tease to spray Lovely locks you have matured from a beautiful pretty man. a perfect gentleman. Like you're like an established gentleman at your age. When you were young, you were boy pretty, but you still managed to be intelligent. I was not boy pretty until I got on television. I was awkward, had the wrong pants on, had shitty hair.

How is that possible? You're fucking beautiful. God damn it, Adam Curry, you're beautiful. This is my Swamp Thing appearance. This was Hollywood Adam Curry. Shut your mouth. I can't look like that. You're beautiful. I think I was 20, 25, 26.

Yeah, perfect age. You're a goddamn right peach. Look at you. Look at you, fella. That's what I love about your direction, like the way you've gone with things. Everything's decentralized, the way you do your podcast, the way you have people kind of donate and support it,

the way you have everything set up. It's really fascinating. I can't wait to welcome you back. I'm eventually probably going to have to go to something like that. Brother, I'm there for you. I take care of you. We make that shit work. We'll get you paid in Bitcoin in real time.

Bam, value for value. Streaming Satoshis. It's fine right now, though. Everything right now is working really well. You're good now, of course. But you got negotiations coming up, obviously. I'm not worried about that. I'm not even thinking about that. You got great people around you.

What I don't think about, yes, I do. But I don't, what I think about is like, keep doing it the way I'm doing it. Yeah. And try to make it better. That's what I think about. Like, try to get more interesting people on and try to talk to them.

He's a real lighter looking man. When you're going to light a cigar, you should use a torch. Sorry. I just have a wimpy. Yeah, thank you. Don't be wimpy, bro. Well, that's all,

but that's why you're so great because I don't think you've ever, you're probably like me at a certain point whether you were making a lot of money or not, you probably just stopped worrying about it. Yes. And that was probably

when you didn't have all that much and you just went, I'm just not gonna fucking worry about this. That was my fear factor days because I could stop thinking about it

because you're always worried when you're an actor in particular that you're never gonna get cast for things too. You're never gonna get work again. Yeah.

And then one of the things that I thought about with fear factor was like, oh, this isn't even a fucking acting gig. Like, how crazy is this that i can i can that was written for you man that was fucking hilarious was that an end them all production yes it was

yeah yeah yeah i know john you know yeah oh they're nice nice folks all those people all the people i work with are really nice the um producers and everyone it was it was a cool place to work and it was also like I didn't I Didn't take it seriously. That's how I got the job I went in there started making fun of everything like they wanted a spooky host like oh you what you were about to do right And I was like dude you're sick of dogs on people what the fuck is wrong with you How can you not be and I showed up for the first meeting high as fuck because I didn't I didn't think it was serious I was like what are they doing what

is this was it was just like okay this could run three episodes who the fuck knows yeah I've been given a bunch of wacky pitches as me as the right right there was like a pilot I did once with me as the um a judge on like people's disputes and I had to like like with humor and it was a comedian that was my sidekick who was the cop. So there's a bunch of wild pitches like that. So this is another wild pitch. Like night court almost. So this was a Judge Judy type deal.

But funny supposedly. Probably not. So there have been a lot of wacky pitches. So when this one came my way I was like what are they going to do? Game show where they're going to make people eat bugs. Like what the fuck are you talking about? So I said, okay, I'll go, I'll go down there. And I was making fun of it. But, um, uh, my buddy, David Hurwitz, he's the reason why I probably wind up getting the gig. I'm more than sure is because he was like, guys, this is

ridiculous. He's the only one making fun of it. We can't have someone serious. How someone make fun of it? Cause the audience is going to be making fun of it at home. Definitely part of the cultural demise. That was it. Totally. Once we got people eating bugs on television for fun and profit, that's why they're coming, brother. You're going to be eating bugs on your burger bun.

That's what's happening. I've had bugs before. Bugs are decent protein. If you're starving, you can eat bugs. But let's eat some steak from that protected bison who we just saw there. Only if it's the United States killed bison. We have to kill it. We have to kill it personally. And we'll distribute it. With a big fucking cannon, because that's how we roll.

They're going to distribute bison the way they distribute monoclonal antibodies. Don't get me started. You've got too much bison. Your children are too strong, and they're winning at football. This is inequitable. Well, yes, Joe, that is exactly what's happening. That is exactly what's happening.

We're going to evenly distribute the bison throughout all 50 states. People can just opt out. Well, they need to. And when you see someone who's kind of waking up, don't ridicule them. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking in general. People ridicule people. They drag them on Twitter.

Oh, you said it all wrong last time. Embrace them. Yeah. Trinity and Neo, pull them out of the sludge into the goo. It's hard for people to admit they made a mistake. It's very hard. It's the worst, of course. Very hard.

Of course. It's really important. You got to do it. And I'm sure I'll have to be admitting mistakes in this show for a long time because I always make mistakes. Yeah, I make mistakes all the time. And I have no expertise. But there's also mistakes not just in facts

but there's mistakes in philosophy like you could have a bad idea of how things should be and you've committed to that bad idea and you Defend that bad idea and you haven't really had time to just sit down and think it through in its entirety objectively divorced from your own adopted opinions and with opinions that you Took on that you're defending and did divorce it from those and just Look at it, and that's hard for people to do because we're so fucking tribal and these these ideas Whatever they are get locked up into a group you're on this group you believe this here in that group

I got a long argument with a friend of mine once about abortion It wasn't an argument It was like a weird conversation where they were like it's it's always a woman's right to choose and i said okay but what about when the baby's like eight and a half months like is like is that isn't that a different thing is it a different thing when it's five cells than it is when it's eight and a half months i mean i don't i'm not saying what depending on where you're coming from he didn't want to admit that it was a thing where he didn't want to discuss it. I said, okay, listen, I'm not a pro-life person. I believe a woman should be the one who makes the decision if she wants an abortion.

100%. But at a certain point in time, it becomes kind of crazy. Right? Like, admitted that when the baby's about to be born, the day it's about to be born, if you decide to kill the baby hours before it's born while it's in the womb, that's a different thing than an abortion when a baby is like six hours old, right? Or when the sperm has cracked the egg. I believe so. Right. It's different. He didn't even want to say that. And I was like, but this is a thing,

right? This is a real thing. This is not a value. I'm not making a judgment about what people should or shouldn't be able to do or what law is. I'm just saying, don't you admit there's a difference between those things? And the resistance of even discussing this was fascinating because it was like someone who had like a spell around them and they couldn't, there's no, I can't discuss, cannot discuss, like do not talk, do not talk about this one thing. Like it didn't want to acknowledge that they're different because if you do then you set up the narrative That abortion is murder and that abortion should be evil and that you now you're a pro-life person And you don't want to be a pro-life person because they're the crazies that attack capital that that's the January 6 people, right?

So there's these ideologies that are attached to these things in this way That's almost inescapable if you're if you're on team blue or if you're on team red like you you gotta stick to these things in this way that's almost inescapable if you're on Team Blue or if you're on Team Red. You got to stick to these fucking thoughts. Well, unfortunately, both Team Blue and Team Red in Texas created this controversy specifically for this election. This law that was passed is, I don't think there's any reasonable person that can think that you're 12 weeks in or whatever it was, six weeks. Six weeks. I mean, no reasonable person can think that that's reasonable for detection. Leave that as it is.

Then the whole, which was not true, you can rat on your neighbor and the Uber driver can report you. That turned out to be not true. You can sue a clerk who issues a license. The whole point is it's not about the actual choice of a woman or the life of the child. It's about who fucking wins the election. And that's what they do. And I hate them equally for that. So that's what they're doing.

This was my Rick super cynical tinfoil hat thought. That's what they're doing. This was my super cynical tinfoil hat thought. I was saying if I was like a progressive person, I would promote some ridiculous law that's definitely going to get overturned. That way people get up in arms. I think the Republicans in Texas slipped and they let this one happen. Do you think they let this happen because- The Democrats let it happen so they'd be able to hammer the Republicans in the 2022 midterms. That's what I was asking.

Yeah, exactly. You nailed it. No, it's not tinfoil hat. You're now a political consultant. Are you a Fed? He's fucking dragging me into the most ridiculous ideas and I agree with him. I know. You're influencing me.

Are you an influencer? Yes. This is the issue is, and it's been driven, we are afraid to sit down and have honest conversations. Yes. I'm honest with you 100 fucking percent. I believe that. I know you're the same with me right now at this moment. Yes.

When I do it with Mo Fax, we're honest and we're very different. He's black, I'm white, both American men, little age difference. Dvorak and Curry, it's honest. My wife and I, we talk honest. People need to be honest with each other. The truth has been lost. We're hiding. And without sitting down and just being honest and saying, we're going to love each other after this, whether we agree or not, let's just talk. Let it be said now that I recognize right now that Adam Curry is a spokesperson for big mind reading. This is what's going on. Because once big mind reading comes along, you don't have to worry about being honest

because everyone's going to read minds. You're going to promote this technology. It's going to be decentralized mind reading technology. I should have brought more weed for Adam Curry. I have my own. All day smokers. I have my own. Are you an all day guy? Pretty much. Because you put me under the table in this podcast.

We went through that one blunt, and when we were three or four hits in. I like that the most, actually, the blunt. Hello, world. Do you have another one of those? I want to take one of those. I'll give you one. Paralyzed man post-tweet using only his mind. Yeah, I saw that.

Thanks to brain implant. Yeah. Well, that's how they're going to get it with the Neuralink as well. Elon has openly said that the best use of that would be people who have had spinal injuries. They're going to have regained full function. I thought that what was also that they might be able to reprogram some things if there's been some kind of neural pathway break. So not necessarily that you are hooked up to a machine, but they can actually do some reprogramming and fix certain things. Yeah, fix it to make you more friendly to the state.

No, a fucking assassin. Adam. Yeah, Manchurian candidate type deal. Well, okay, so. Jack Ruby. Back in the day, we can look it up exactly when, they were giving away free lobotomies in Central Park. And people lined up to get their lobotomy. What?

Where they literally would drill a hole. They'd go in. They'd pull out your frontal lobe, whatever that little thing is. And people were happy because they had heard, this is the thing I want. Where is this? Is there videos of it? Just look it up. Frontal lobotomy.

I'm afraid to say, but it's going to be around. There we go. Scary days when thousands were lobotomized on Long Island. Holy fuck. Yeah, 1958 to 1974. Holy shit. You didn't know this? No.

This is why Americans are weird, man. We buy Nikes and we take vaccines. Let's read this. You have to wonder about Henry Brill Sanity, a Yale-educated psychiatrist. He was a director of Pilgrim State Psychiatric Center from 1958 to 1974. During the later stages of his tenure, the world's largest mental hospital, he was a national leader in the fight against marijuana. Head of the state's drug abuse commission, he rallied against the evil impact that marijuana had on people's brains. Big talk from a guy who da-da-da-da-da-da. Around 2,000 pilgrim patients were lobotomized in the 40s and the 50s. Holy fuck.

But there were people going willingly to Central Park, you know, where they draw caricatures of you. Hold on. Go back. Go back. Go back. Go go back go back okay 2 000 pilgrim patients were lobotomized in the 40s and 50s according to the later reports from new york times and elsewhere though lobotomies were probably performed at mental hospitals in

central islip and creedmoor among other places one out of every 25 lobotomies performed in the united states took place at Pilgrim, making it undoubtedly the scariest place in Long Island. Holy fuck, man. But this is just the technology that was being perfected. But when they were out there saying, hey, you should come and take this, people were like, oh, I got a lobotomy. And so they did it for free.

So they would set it up where you didn't have to be diagnosed. You just show up. I think you paid for it. You paid for it. Yeah. Yeah, brother. Imagine. Americans are interesting people.

Well, if you don't pay for it, you don't think it's worth it. It's like how they figure out tickets at comedy clubs. You give away free tickets. People don't care about the show. Don't come to the show. No, of course not. They come, but they don't pay attention. They don't really care. You don't want those fuckers.

They don't drink either. That's the future. NFT is the future of ticket scalping. That guy is wild, man. Yeah. Isn't that cool? Well, I guess in the 40s and 50s, they thought this is the future of ticket scalping. That guy is wild, man. Isn't that cool? Well, I guess in the 40s and 50s, they thought this is like, some of these people, you just can't fix them. Just get in there and fucking.

But the people were legit just like, you know, I'm unhappy. I've never seen a lobotomized person communicate. Have you? Joe Biden. Boom. He's not lobotomized. They just planted him in that pet cemetery. The top of his head has been off two or three times.

Yes. Yeah. It's got to be some concern. It's a miracle of modern science that you can get the top of your head removed and still be the commander of the free world. Twice. Put it back on and it works great. It works great. 40% agree. No malarkey.

Do you find anything about a lobotomized person communicating? They must have like a video of them. You could just talk normally. For sure. You could talk normally. But I don't think I've seen that. I don't think lobotomized people necessarily. Well, let's find out.

Oh, okay. I'm trying to get to see if Jamie can. To the book of knowledge, YouTube it is. YouTube. I mean, there's got to be a video somewhere of someone who's been lobotomized. Who's a. Interview of a lobotomy patient. Ooh, let me hear this.

Right? Okay, before we get it going, what is your prediction? Do you think the person will be slow, or do you think they'll be distant? Do you think you'll be able to tell? Yeah, I think it'll be a little woolly. They'll come across as kind of woolly, you know. Oh, yeah? Woolly?

Woolly. Like wool in their brains? little woolly they'll come across as kind of woolly you know oh yeah woolly woolly just kind of like in their brains no just kind of like a like a like their gauze in front of them kind of like oh yeah that's okay oh yeah joe rogan that's really good it's what i think there's a popular one that's coming up a few times a guy named howard that was lobotomized when he was 12 by this guy i'm sure that's gonna be fucking crazy but he's talking at least the look oh boy the video is crazy because you see the kid when his eyes are puffy after they lobotomized him. Is this Howard right here?

Yeah, that's him talking, so, I mean, he seems to be pretty coherent. What, just from that one second with no audio? Jamie, you're a fed. I'm surrounded by feds. Hello. You were right. Not me. The other two said I was just a normal kid.

In fact, several times. That looks pretty normal. That ass needs a lobotomy. Give me some volume so I can hear him. I have it up as loud as I can get right now for some reason. I probably was seen three times by people. See? Kind of what I said.

Where's the hole? There's no hole. Come on. That's the fucked up part about it, which when I was looking this up recently, because there was some stuff. It was still going on in the 70s and 80s. They go through the eyeball? They go through your eyeball.

Ah! Yep. A nice pick. There you go. Oh, Jesus. And they just scramble it? Yeah. Oh, my God.

I think before that, Jamie, I think the turn of the century is when they were really doing it full time in New York City. Whoa. There's the tools like they're just sticking in there. Miracle cure. See? Miracle cure. J there. Yeah. Miracle cure. See, miracle cure. Miracle cure. Oh my God. Yeah, miracle cure, baby. Now, there was anesthetic

back then, right? General anesthesia? No, just jam that shit in, man. No? Have general anesthesia? Have some bourbon. When was general anesthesia? Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Here, described as easier than curing a toothache. But look at the. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude. Look at this guy. Described as easier than curing a toothache.

But look at the guy with the fucking sleeveless shirt on. He's like, hey, I got out of the fucking gym. Look at that. He's hammering that thing into the eyeball. And they're just holding her hands down. Look at that guy to the upper left. He's about to do that on a prostitute later that evening. He's like, hmm, duly noted.

Look at this. There's some politician standing there, too. What's that guy doing in the middle? Those are the guys that presided over the Warren Commission report. Look at them. Look at them. This is wild. Oh, my God. At least those people have gloves on. Now I support this tactic.

Hey, they have cloth masks. That's bullshit. Cloth masks. Oh, what's going on here? Oh, my God. That's the electroshock therapy. Oh, God damn it. And again, they do it with these Guido shirts on. Got that big bruise there. Someone didn't like it.

Shooting arrows. You guys are insane. You guys are crazy. We're crazy. Look at this. They're cutting open heads. They're cutting open heads. That one they just cut open, and they just drilled it.

They tried different methods. I read that this guy, Walter Freeman, he gave most of them is what I was reading. The guy with the sleeveless shirt? What the fuck, man? He was doing 100 a day at one point, I think. Imagine you show up, and you're like, why do you have no sleeves? He's like, I do so many lobotomies, my fucking arms get hot. He's sleeveless.

He's at Gold's Gym. But just imagine, the newspapers are like, you see it, it's like, this is great shit. And Americans, of course, went, that's great shit, man. Everyone's doing it. Let me get a fucking lobotomy. Right. Hello. It helped me.

It helped me cope. This is our culture. We have to be cognizant of that. It's not necessarily healthy. Well, when someone's cranked out on opioids, isn't that some kind of a similar type of a deal? It's not a lobotomy, but it's most certainly a reduction of who the fuck you are. And you just drop into a daze, a trance. Opioids is really, truly evil.

I mean, the problem is you can't stop getting off of it. From what I understand, you literally feel like you're dying Yeah, we're dying is very hard to stop and that's the problem So the mislabeling all that shit is what caused the problem and continues to cause I haven't done it you haven't done it now According to dr. Carl Hart who I respect dearly deeply it's life-saving for some he's a different character And his his take on it is that getting off of opiates is like a flu. Oh, really? Yeah, it's like it's not that big a deal.

He said it's greatly exaggerated by pop culture. Oh. And then Gabor Mate, when he talks about addiction, he said most of it's tied to trauma. I mean, some of it is clearly genetic. That would make sense. With some folks, it's clearly genetic, like a whole history of alcoholism in the family and that people you know We all know those alcoholics that they have one drink and then fucking shark eyes They're gone, and they're like they're there whatever the fuck goes on in that alcoholic

It's a different thing like they have a couple of drinks, and they're gone. They're not even there anymore. You're like hello Yeah, I think they can't communicate with you. They're whacked out. They're gone. Well, I think that is We got to take that into consideration when it comes to heroin or but for Carl When he was a and I hope I'm not fucking this up, but he was a very straight-laced guy He wasn't into drugs Then he became a clinical researcher and during that time period when he started really Understanding the mechanisms around these drugs and what they actually do and then all the unjust laws like the Difference between the sentencing for crack versus cocaine which is crazy sure because he's like they're exactly the same thing in terms of the effect on

The body and he was explaining all this stuff to me. He's like he loves heroin. He says heroin is wonderful I goes if you get pure heroin because it's beautiful it makes you appreciate things makes you appreciate your relationships Like it's like that's not the heroines on the problem The problem is that it's illegal that you're buying stuff that's laced with fentanyl the public perceptions of it the way we look at drugs and his Idea is you don't want a world that's drug-free you want responsible Educated drug use and when it comes to a guy who's a professor at Columbia a brilliant guy By the way, it looks like he does a lot of drugs.

He's got like crazy dreadlocks. Is he an influencer? Well, he influenced me. I mean, not that I tried heroin, but he influenced me to change my thoughts of what, you know, we have these ideas about how hard it is to get off these drugs. Well, for some people it is, right? Like for some people you can get drunk and you don't want to get drunk again. Some people they can't stop. Well, clearly no medication is good for everybody. That's just, unlike, you can get drunk and you don't want to get drunk again. Some people, they can't stop. Well, clearly, no medication is good for everybody.

That's just unlike the mRNA, which is one size fits all. What's your number? So I can't speak towards opioids or heroin because I've tried neither. I think there is a difference. But most importantly, we're just being lied to and just being told that you know there's no addictive properties to it when your dosage is just upped and upped and upped and upped at a certain point i think that i i just wonder how much of that detoxing is painful or not i mean i've i've only heard contrary to that opinion no no i'm sure the flu sucks don't get me wrong but the flu is fucking painful, right?

If you've had a bad flu, it's awful. Sure, sure. Your body aches. You're sweating like crazy. But what he's saying is it's like that. You get over it. It's not like that. You can physically live.

Yes, of course. But two drugs you can't. Alcohol and benzodiazepine. Yeah. Those two drugs. The benzos are the dangerous ones. Yeah. That's the Jordan Peterson story.

Yeah. Oh, my God. What a story that is. It's an amazing story. How fucked is that? It's an amazing story, especially when you realize how smart he is and that he didn't know and he got roped into it and then he couldn't get off of him. Oh, there's a lot of very smart people who are doing really dumb things right now and they just don't realize it. Yeah, they're either uninformed or misinformed.

Underinformed and over-socialized. That too. That's a and over-socialized. That too. That's a real problem in our society. Well, especially when it comes to the idea that everybody should be taking something to control their mood and control their this and control their that. Maybe some people should be. How many kids in your daughter's classes take meds at some point during the day? You know what? If I really started digging around, I'd find that information.

I don't have it. I don't know. I know a couple of teachers in austin and it's a lot well i don't know anything about that but what i do know is that i used to have a family that lived uh fairly close to my house and their kid they put him on something real early on and i don't think you needed anything he seemed like a normal kid he just had a lot of energy and they were deciding they had too much they decided he had too much energy. And so we were all like, you know, the people that knew the kid were like, what the fuck?

Like, you can't say anything and you don't know what to do and you don't know if they're right. Like, maybe they're right. Maybe we only see the best version of him. I don't know. But it's scary to think that he could have been just a normal kid with too much fucking energy and bouncing off the walls and the parents didn't want to deal with it. Or maybe just normal kid energy. Just seemed like a lot. Kids are like puppies.

They have wild, fucked up energy and they tear up your shoes. Especially boys. Especially boys. I think if I was with the wrong parents when I was young, I would have fucking for sure been medicated. And then people are like, well, that's good. You should have been medicated. I don't know if that's correct. Because I think that there's a whole reason why we have all those

wacky ideas bouncing around inside of our heads. It's what made a human being elevate from what it used to be a million years ago. We are stunting people's brains. You're stopping it from thinking. I mean, how can that be good? You got to have people that want to become mathematicians and you got to have people that want to become rock stars. you gotta have people that want to become rock stars you've got it and you gotta let them be whatever the fuck they want to be and some kids they don't have a lot of energy but they want to sit down they want to compose music that's all they want to do some kids they just want to do backflips off trees and you gotta both of those fucking kids you gotta kind of like figure out what works for them yeah and let them let it's the spice of life this

variety of humans but when you're a kid and you're in school they want you to sit down and pay attention and if you don't they're gonna fucking drug you yeah we got the wrong parents another part of the system that has to be changed yeah it does it really is it does kids got to be kids man but it's hard yeah it's hard for those little fuckers well growing up a kid today with all the fucking influences and all the the craziness and you know all the bizarre aspects of our culture and the interconnectedness of it and these kids are going to look like fucking pioneers they're going to look like the people settled west to get gold in comparison to kids that are coming along 100 years from now if they take control of their own experiences yes if they continuously allow and

most unwittingly if they just don't know if they allow other entities artificial intelligence whatever it is control their experiences without human uh experience yes usually works between humans that there's that there's forces that are changing that, which is kind of what Twitter is with algorithms, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah. That's just not going to turn out good. It doesn't feel like it'll, I don't think that'll be a good thing.

Do you think the fear is, and this is like a real long-term concept, the fear is that one day we'll decide that whatever does make us human, whether it's our emotions or hormones or desires and greed and jealousy and all those different things, are all a problem. And they're not helping us achieve our goal. And all those things can be slowly edited out. Because think about all the damage that emotions have done. Think about all the crimes of passion and all the fighting and all the hatefulness. If we could just tamper those emotions and get them into a far more controllable vibration, and we can do that

through CRISPR or whatever the fuck they decide to use or whatever Neuralink or whatever the new jazz is that comes along. Influencers. If they can figure out a way to say that what makes us human, our ability to emote, our ability to scream and to play crazy songs and to tell funny jokes and to write meaningful poems and all that stuff is a complex like mess of shit that we

can't control and it's led to the the demise of our civilization what do we love we love being together and and love and camaraderie and we don't need emotions. We just need love. So we're going to engineer out the bad parts and keep only the good parts. And by the way, love is love. It doesn't matter who you love. It doesn't matter. Love is love. Synthetic love has been proven in 16 different trials to be just as effective as real love.

That's right. Now you can get your fifth booster of love. It will make you die 20 years earlier, but those 20 years suck anyway. That'd be great. That'd be great. Take me out at 80. Who wants to be 100? I'm going to be 98.

98? Just under Betty White, out of respect. Of course. Out of respect. That's my number. Now, my grandparents got really old. That's a good number. And I both had hair.

Do you eat healthy? Oh, yeah. Very healthy. Yeah. Beef, fish, almost no pasta. Yeah, that's the move, man. Very healthy. Yeah. Beef, fish, almost no pasta. Yeah, that's the move, man. Yeah. You know, raw vegetables.

I don't know. Raw, we just buy vegetables, cook. Right. And then in Fredericksburg, where we live, there's some pretty damn good restaurants who are really cooking up some good shit. That's nice. Yeah. That's really nice.

That's nice. Having good places you can visit that are near you. And that's also, isn't it nice to support a nice local restaurant? Oh, my God. You get to be friendly with the people. Yeah. Know the wait staff. Oh, yeah. It's nice. Oh, I visit that are near you. And that's also, isn't it nice to support like a nice local restaurant? Oh, my God. You get to be friendly with the people. Yeah. Know the wait staff. Oh, yeah.

It's nice. Oh, I love that. Of course. Of course. Yeah. But people are seeing this. Silicon Valley people are the first ones. They're like, shit, you know, Elon Starlink is up.

I don't have it yet. I'm on the wait list. I can live anywhere I want. There's a wait list? Yeah. I've been on it for two years probably. What's the holdup? Not enough satellites in space.

Is that what it is really? He has a blanketed. Is that good? No. This is a total military project. Elon is just selling it to us as cool internet, which is great. You think he's a part of the military? Elon, everything he does is for the government.

Yes. What are you saying? He's a great guy for that. He's a great pitch man for, you know, for technology. But he has to innovate. If you're going to innovate,

don't you think you have to deal with government that they take you out? He didn't invent Tesla. He didn't invent SpaceX. He has vision. He understands how to explain it.

He's very good at that. He's quirky. He has a whole bunch of great elements, you know, that just are the perfect guy for our era. It's amazing to be alive

at the same time as him. Is he the big innovator? No, I don't think necessarily. I think he's, you know, he has a big network behind him. Sequoia Capital is a lot of people involved in Elon Musk. For sure. In my opinion. And that's just who I just think it's like, yeah. He's a very controversial person, but he's a very nice guy. I'm sure he's a nice guy. His, uh, his ideas. I mean, if you looked at just the amount of innovation that one guy has been a part of, and some of them are crazy, like the not crazy, like dumb, but I mean like insane. The idea of a tunnel that goes under LA, like, and they shooting people through these fucking

tunnels with cars. Like, how does someone even come up with that? I even registered at one point databelt.com because I was sure that we would have a belt of satellites around the earth. Now, was that far-fetched? No, obviously not. Was I unique in thinking that? Clearly not.

Am I the guy who somehow got into the right place with the right investors, with the right pitch, with the right story. No, that was Elon Musk. So do you think that, I mean, do you think that overall his contributions are a net positive or a negative? Neutral. I think on the entertainment scale, very high. In terms of his tweets?

Well, also what he's been doing with Wall Street and how he's fucking with them all the time. And he's a very precarious influencer, particularly for crypto. Very polarizing there for a whole bunch of reasons. You've got, you know, there's enough conspiracy theories about him. But all I know is what I see. I see the whole SpaceX thing is all U.S. military. The satellite's in the sky.

We're going to have great internet. I love them for that. Great marketing to the people. Meanwhile, that's your fucking Space Force. That's your Skynet. We'll have everybody surveilled all the time. Is what I feel that is. Here's what my worry is.

That that'll be a way they keep us on planet Earth. They just blanket the sky with satellites, so it's impossible to leave. Brother, show me one billionaire that can actually get into, just send something to the moon, bitch. Send something alive to the moon, and then I'll believe that we can go off world. I'm very skeptical now, man. You're very skeptical?

There's enough money for us to replicate something that happened 55 years ago. Are you skeptical of the potential of it happening, or are you skeptical about whether it happened? Both. Whoa. Both. Whoa. Both. You went there.

Well, the Van Allen belts. You went there. Now the new NASA scientists who don't remember the original moon landings, I guess, are like, well, it's going to be hard to get through the Van Allen belts. You know, it's a lot of radiation. Well, how the fuck did they do that in that tin can with no computer or nothing? They just went up there and it landed and it worked and i went deep into this for many years one of the ways supposedly they did it is the van allen belts have openings

in the the top and the bottom of the earth right yeah well why don't they just do that again why hasn't jeff bezos figured it out i don't think it's that easy man i think it's like whether or not they did it just like let's at the advancements in technology between the first moon landing and now. Oh, 100%. I don't understand how the richest men in the world can't replicate something and just, well, we're going to do Mars. Why not the moon? I don't-

No, they're planning on doing shit on the moon. With people. Okay. Before you even do it with people, they've definitely done it with objects. They've definitely done it with satellites. So they have the technology to get something there. The question is whether or not they have the technology to get the, in today's day, get a biological entity there and back. But we did it, right?

So, yeah, that's the thing. Okay. The idea is that we did it from 1969 to 1972. That's my only question. I don't give it. I really don't care. I don't know if the moon is real, man. It could be some fucking thing that's just up there.

Jeez, sure, Joe. I mean, I've looked at the flat Earth, the crater Earth. I've looked at everything. I've looked at all this stuff. You know what? I really don't know. You don't know if the Earth's flat? I don't want to get into it because it's just polarizing.

You think the Earth might be flat? I think it's not round for sure. Well, they don't think it's round. It's ellipse. But, you know, think, think, think. When I look at the fucking. Well, they don't think it's round. It's ellipse. But, you know, think, think,

think. I mean, it's not. Look at the fucking pictures. Hold on a second. It's round. We gotta be clear. It is round. It's just not perfectly round

if you had, like, measurement devices. This is where my wife is going. What is the actual term? Shut the fuck up, Adam. No,

but there's a term. You're going off the rails. Don't do it. There's a term of what the, and that's my work wife. Elongated ellipsis or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Ellipsis, no ellipsis.

But that's just technical. But listen, it's in a round shape, a shape of a sphere. It's just not a perfect sphere. By very minute numbers, it's off, right? Like overall, because if you look at it, it looks circle. Right? I really don't know. I don't know what my lion eyes.

I don't know what I believe anymore. What are you, an eagle song? You can't hide. Your lion eyes. It's just hard to know. Just looking at the pure facts on the face of it about not returning to the moon. No other country has done it with a human being it just that just seems fucked up now that's okay but i then also have the right to explore

other versions that have been told which includes crater earth which is even what's crater earth the the earth is actually a much larger planet and we are living in a crater in it and that's wait a minute wait a minute wait we're in a crater i'm not saying that i'm saying i have the freedom to explore the whole universe the earth and then we're the crater in the center of the universe so the moon is in essence if you look at i'm just telling you the theory right this? This is conspiracy therapy. I don't think we should say theory when it comes to Crater Earth. Let's just say the wacky story. As you wish. I feel like theory is a little

lofty for this one. Okay. A whole bunch of YouTube videos with a cool voiceover taught me. And it was like eight hours long. Eight hours long. I watched all that shit. How high were you?

Non-stop, brother. But eight hours. And the voiceover was like, how did it happen? Why did this go away? Have you heard of the giant trees? That's my favorite. Oh, yes. I've heard of the giant trees.

I love the giant trees. People think that like that. I find the giant trees compelling. Made of silica. That's sawed off. Made of silica. But that's sawed off devil's. Devil's rock. That used to be a giant tree. Yeah. It's just the base of silica But that's sawed off devil's Devil's rock

That used to be a giant tree Yeah, it's just the base of a tree And it's all of silica, which is sand And it's fantastic There you go It's all over the place But that's not crater earth That's giant tree earth

Right, I get it But bro, the problem is that looks like a tree I know Come on, man I know When you look at it though It's perfectly octagonal in shape often. Well, let's not say perfectly if we're

going to call the earth not round. Okay? Let's be consistent here. Jesus Christ, you're so inconsistent. Alright, give me another one of those. I need something to smoke. Well, we don't have anything right here. Everything's in the other room. What the fuck? You got some on you, don't you? I own my own. Don't bogart your own. We have plenty for you. I'll give you some as you're leaving.

Bogart my own? I would leaving bogart my own i would never bogart my own okay i'll take care of it be sensitive and now you're taking me into outer space what are we doing we're on fucking we're black screening here no tree earth and um crater earth what i like the most about these videos here's this is about the energy so there's this one video this is so fucking cool and you've seen. And you've seen the pictures. You've seen the pictures of Manhattan around 1900. And there's these beautiful big buildings, fantastic shit. And then the streets are just squalor and people with horse-driven crap. And the video says, how did this get built?

What happened? Why are the streets just mud and all these beautiful buildings? When did that occur? What did it look like then? Where are those pictures? And I'm just telling you how this video is put together. It's pretty slick. And they show all these pictures of completely empty streets.

And so the theory is that there was a water event, but really a very severe one, but that electricity used to flow through canals everywhere. Wait for it. From the churches and the church steeple, which now has a bell tower. That's where a ball of mercury used to be. And listen to me, because Elon's going to fucking patent this and he's going to sell it to us. And then that energy, they pull the energy from the ionosphere that somehow it interacts with the mercury. Then they would distribute the electricity through Tesla's principles through the earth and through water that they used to do this well we know that tesla had this idea of broadcasting electricity through the air but

yes people that wireless electricity but people that look at today's electronics think that that would be horrendous because then if he had done that and implemented that who would never be able to use all these electronic devices and all the things that we have today because they'd be constantly interfered with by this electricity flying through the air. Or would they develop new technology that interacted with that electricity and it would just be different than what we're accustomed to? I believe that most of Tesla's wireless energy was flowing through the earth side of it and not through the air side. Really?

I believe so. Some wires and shit? No. So you think this might be a real thing? Just earth resonance. Well, there's a lot of, you know, I have a ham radio license. So I know a lot about high frequency and radio waves. And there is the ultra low frequencies, which is like a hundred and like something like a 700 foot antenna or some shit like that, these ultra-low subsonic

frequencies. There's a lot of experimentation going on, and that actually transmits through the Earth. So you transmit your signal and it goes through the Earth's core to the other side, and that's where it's received. So that's more my understanding of the technology Tesla was using. But you don't think the Earth is living in a crater, right? We don't think we really- I have no evidence to prove it.

No, of course not. But it's one of the weird ones to entertain. There's a lot of people out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you want to believe in the heliospheric model, that's fine. What's that one?

That's the globe. The globe. The globe. The round Earth. Are you a globe head? That's what flat Earthers call- A globe the globe the globe the round earth are you a globe head that's what flat earthers call globe head they call us globe heads yeah people that believe the earth so um i think there's more important things to think about yeah yeah i think uh there's some theories that maybe it's a waste of time to go over just saying maybe that's one of them but

it's interesting to watch what people get obsessed with the flatter thing what's fascinating about is how many people got obsessed with it and then eventually kind of gave it up a lot of people gave it up what i get interested in is a lot of the biblical uh parallels and references very very interesting i have a lot of believers in my life and i question them on all kinds of stuff certainly what we're seeing now we're you know compared to revelations and there's always been this kind of doomsday which is maybe why I have never connected with God is because I'm such a fucking optimist. I'm not quite sure what it is. But I recognize the connection people have. And there's so many parallels with a lot of these quote unquote conspiracy theories. You've got to wonder, you know, what's the conspiracy? What's the story? Right. Who knows?

Who knows? I don't know. You don't know. I just want to live my life, be happy, and make a better one for the kids, man. There's a lot of people that are studying the shape of the Earth, and they're pretty sure it's not flat. Are you trying to influence me, Joe Rogan? Because you're failing. The satellites are spinning around the flat Earth.

You're going to have to come up with a whole new explanation of how they fucking stick up there. Standing around the flat Earth, you're going to have to come up with a whole new explanation of how they fucking stick up there. Well, when you see the clock and you understand how the star system would rotate around the flat Earth. Oh, Jesus. And then the sun and the moon are counterpolar, then you would understand it a little better. But I'm not. Yeah, it's a lack of understanding on my part. I don't understand it either. But I do watch it and I do enjoy all these different theories.

I really think that's interesting. I have no problem with that. What's the difference between taking drugs and watching Friends reruns? Or taking drugs and listening to someone talk about how the Earth is flat? For eight hours. No, not just flat. It's much bigger than that. I used to love Art Bell's show when Art Bell would get some guy calling up saying he's a time traveler.

I'd be like, really? Wow, listen to this guy. Tell me about the future. I think that's feasible. Time travelers? Yeah, sure. What do you think

would happen if time travel was invented? How do you think it would happen? Like if all of a sudden out of nowhere time travel was invented

in our lifetimes, how much do you think the world changes? Back to the Future would be a documentary. I think it's way crazier than that, Adam Curry. I think,

let's just presume that it was already possible in the future and we're living in the past. I mean, you can go on forever but why wouldn't... Do you ever have a guy

named Dr. Ronald Mallett? You ever heard of him? I don't think so. I think he's University of Connecticut. See if you can find him. He's a fascinating guy and he's a professoricut see if you can find him he's a fascinating guy and he's um a professor that is when you hear him talk it's almost like you're watching a superhero movie

and a guy has like a superhero origin story this is what it is like his father died and he became obsessed with time travel because he wanted to make a time machine so he'd go back and see his dad. Yes. So this guy came up with these theories of time travel that apparently if you have enough power, you have to have some massive, I think the first guy to come up with- No, no, no. Kurt Godell, I think, was the first guy to come up with the idea of a functional mechanism that could actually change time, that you could actually go back in time or go forward in time. But the amount of energy that you would need is just impossible to imagine. And then what this guy seems to have concluded is that even if you go back in time, this professor, even if you, is it Ronald Mallet, is that his name?

Even if you go back in time, you can't go back if there's no road. So from the moment a time machine is invented, from that moment, the moment it's switched on, that moment till forever, time ceases to become linear. Stops, right. to become linear stops right ceases to become linear because travel is available to anyone from the future to now from now to then any stop in between you can't stop time if there's no regulations on it if it becomes prevalent like cell phones the world becomes a completely different experience for everyone life death birth childhood mistakes erase them go back live in that timeline they intersect with people's timelines where they're coming in from the past and the future. It fucks the world up. It fucks everything up. But this is what I think is one of the scarier ideas about technology. I mean,

you want to talk about a thing that would completely change the way human beings interface with the universe itself. It's time travel. Because everything that people can figure out from now until as long as there are people will then be ported back to where we are now. And the understanding of it will be brought back to it. And then who knows if you'll ever even be able to achieve innovation. Because you're going to be constantly dealing with people traveling to and from different time zones, to and from different time periods, like all simultaneously, all happening all at once.

I think it's impossible for us to imagine how wild a time machine could be if it did get invented because it's not like, oh, I'm going to go back and steal all the gold. No, it's like everybody's going to do that, stupid. Everybody's going to do that at every second of every day ever. No, it's like everybody's going to do that, stupid. Everybody's going to do that at every second of every day ever. Well, this, of course, leads us right to the ultimate answer, which is we're living in a simulation. A simulation that is controlled.

We may control pieces of it. I know that when I look at you, I see Joe Rogan and I could recognize you. I know that when you look in the mirror, you see Joe Rogan. It's a different guy. It just looks different. I mean, this doesn't... Does that see the opposite of me? It depends on... Because it's a mirror?

Just, it's, no, it's just, that's how we perceive the world individually. This is, you know, remember the white, white, silver dress, blue dress? Oh, yeah. People perceive the world differently. And you're nudged from all directions to, you know, it's like something you heard or didn't hear. What is he saying? And oh he having conversations with or are they in a whole different plane of a consciousness which is perhaps a lot cooler and we're just seeing the external interpretation that we make or are they trapped in two dimensions or in the middle people yelling at them from both sides i don't know maybe maybe there's more than two dimensions i'm pretty sure sure of that. So in wrapping this up, because we've been three hours.

Do you think that we- Holy shit. Crazy man. I love talking with you, Joe Rogan. I love talking with you too. You are great. You are good for my ego. You are good for my soul, good for my heart, and good for America and the world, Joe Rogan.

Well, you deserve all your props. As I've said many times, you are the original podcaster. It's very important that people know that. It's like without you, this whole thing wouldn't have happened. It might have come about a different way. But it didn't. It came out of you. You know? Yeah. And Dave Weiner. It's facts.

But you were the original guy that made it popular. And what it is now is very odd. It's a very odd form of communication. It's very weird that this thing exists and that it's so popular. Well, that's what's so cool about it. It's like R odd form of communication. It's weird that this thing exists and that it's so popular. Well, that's what's so cool about it. It's like RSS, which is the basic protocol of podcasting, and it came from blogs. That's what Dave Weiner invented, has just proven unstoppable.

Everyone makes them. They're all over the place. They're very handy. They're easy to understand. They're easy to implement. And as long as you have a server where you can put an r it was just a text file and an mp3 you got a podcast because we now have places where apps connect and can you can help you can find stuff but even even without that just a fucking mp3 on a server people will find it they'll download it i mean that is true independence and truly freedom of speech do you think we'll get to a point in our lifetime where the power of these decentralized entities will eclipse these corporate controlled medias because if you think about the amount of influence that a decentralized entity could have they're like people just living life and that you're

already decentralized from the mainstream media. You yourself. Yes, you're under a different corporate distribute. No, you're not. Because I know they don't own you. They own licensing to do something exclusive for a while. But you own you as far as I'm concerned. Yes.

Right. So, but whatever deal you did, however it works, you are decentralized from the mainstream broadcast systems technically and certainly from the mainstream narrative. So, you are to be preserved. You are to be protected because this is showing the way that anybody can do this. And no, you may not have the audience size of Joe Rogan, but you get a thousand people. That matters. A thousand people who really care, who really listen, who, by the way, might support you with five bucks a month. You're in business.

Look, we can't all do an entertainment show, but you're not. You're doing something – you're an educational show. Yeah, that's not an accident. Sometimes it's entertainment. It's always entertaining. No, it's always entertaining because you you're an entertainer but it's education it's something that has never existed like this ever that's what's weird right no it's beautiful that's a thing of beauty yeah yeah for sure so yes decentralization it's unstoppable they will try and stop it. They'll try to do

legislation. They'll want to make schooling harder. We've already seen the control they exert over the medical community. Do you think that the attempt to exert control and the exposing of it is going to be the ultimate downfall of these institutions? Because we're going to realize that it's not a good idea to have them have the kind of power that they have. It's not a good idea for them to be completely influenced by these corporate entities that structure the narrative that force us to adopt. It's not good. As far as I'm concerned, it's collapsing already. Yeah.

It's in slow motion collapse. Everything's collapsing. Healthcare is collapsing. Education is collapsing. healthcare is collapsing education is collapsing my god the biggest um uh deficit we have on our balance sheet is 1.7 trillion dollars of college loans you're fucking kidding me this shit is done it's done and people are coming out disillusioned okay i got a hundred thousand dollars in debt i got this piece of paper nothing and what do we see with the jobs market? Oh, only 3.9% unemployment. But the labor participation rate, the people who are actually in the market for a job fell off a cliff.

Didn't something like 4.5 million people quit their job recently? Sure. Yeah. That's wild. There's too much money in the system. People have stimulus money. They got cash. There's some gigs on the side. They're figuring life out. They're going to find something else to do. That's good. That's good in my book, but it's not what the economy is in real trouble.

In Austin, there are now three restaurants that I used to go to for over 10 years, closing for good. South Congress Cafe, closing for good. Of course, we'll get new ones in there. A lot of them can't get employees. Can't get employees, destroyed just in general from the lockdowns and the restrictions. We have to rebuild a new middle class and it's going to be diaper washing services because that shit's going to stop too. You're not going to get diapers eventually. I guarantee you this crazy shit ahead. But that's what's good because that will wake people up. And by the way,

we can feed ourselves. We can figure out how to do it. We can collaborate with people. Except these people that live in these big cities and they're the ones that are deepest in the trance. No, they're dead. They're dead. They're all dead. They're the deepest in the trance. Them and their pets. But isn't it fascinating that those are the people that are the deepest

in the societal trance? Really? Because they're in these urban centers. Are we surprised? No. No, we're not surprised. No. But it is fascinating that they're the most terrified, the most disconnected from nature.

They are building their own prison. Openly and with joy. Open air prisons. Mm-hmm. Adam Curry, you're the shit. Appreciate you very much. Tell everybody how they can watch and listen to you You don't have video form of no agenda do you know no you don't want that fuck no fuck no no okay?

I like theater of the mind. I like people being though. I like to manipulate my sound like that too And all that stuff then they can't pick on you if you start getting shitty looking no agenda show net and Anybody please check out a new podcast app, newpodcastapps.com. It's not a for-profit thing. It's to protect, enhance, and extend podcasting. And your Twitter handle is? At Adam Curry. All right.

But I'm on the Mastodon, Adam, at noagendasocial.com. What is Mastodon again? That's the decentralized Twitter, baby. That's where all the kids are going. Do I have to join that, too? Get off the getter. I got to get off the getter? Nah, you can stay on it.

Just another thing that can get fucked. They can take it off the app store. All right, I'll get that, too. All right. Thank you, brother. We need a Joe Rogan Mastodon. No, no, no, no. Maybe.

Bye. Thanks, brother. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, brother. Bye, everybody.