The Joe Rogan Experience - #1770 - Valentine Thomas

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

Valentine Thomas is a former attorney and financier turned free-diver, spear-fisher, chef, and author.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Cheers. Cheers. Hey. Must be Canadian week. Two Canadians in a row. Salute, my friend.

Where's the other one? Oh, yeah. Jordan Peterson. Yeah, Jordan was on yesterday. Your country's in revolt. Do you know about this? Show this video. Look at this video that I sent Jamie.

This is a huge look of a go forever. This is my action scene outside of Edmonton heading to Calgary. January 23rd. It's a giant convoy of trucks that's apparently some insane amount of people, that's apparently some insane amount of people, like 50,000 trucks, that are headed to Ottawa to protest the vaccine mandates by Trudeau. And they're all coming from Canada.

They're all in Canada. They're all in Canada. It's all Canadian truckers. Because apparently they're all being mandated that they have to get vaccinated. And they're like, hey, we don't even contact anybody. We're in our truck. Yeah, that's true.

We just drive. And, you know. Okay, there's another one that I sent Jamie. Watch this one. This girl is like at a bar and she, I don't know if she's a stripper or what, but this is this guy's birthday. Don't you hear it? Where's the volume? Here we go.

So watch this. this guy's birthday. Don't you hear it? Where's the volume? Here we go. So watch this. She pours water on him, and then check this out. All fun and games, right? It's all fun. Right?

She tases him. Yeah. She tases him. Oh my god. Not good. Okay. Fucking tased him and lit him on fire. I saw that video the other day. You saw it too? Yeah. Whoops.

Yeah. First of all, who gets tased at their birthday party? Good point. That seems... It's a lot. What kind of friends? They're just sitting at the bar there's just a yeah stun gun ready to go i mean when you get that burnt like how long was that

10 seconds he was on fire for five seconds maybe yeah you could probably recover from that like steve-o does wild shit like that that's what i'm saying yeah but he uh he had to get like serious skin transplants remember last time we saw him? He had bandages all over his arms? Yeah. That guy. That guy goes. How do you explain that to your wife, though?

Well, she knows. Well, now she knows. I don't know if he's married. Steve-O's, but I'm about this guy. Oh, that guy. He's going to have an issue. That's going to be a problem. Well, the video is out, so he's going to have to explain that.

But Steve-O's wife is fully aware that he's out of his fucking mind. But that poor guy. So, my friend, for people who don't know you, it's been a few years since you've been on the podcast. You were once a lawyer in Montreal or on your way to becoming a lawyer. And you were like, fuck this life. And now you're a spearfisher person. Which seems to be, if you looked at that on paper, you're like, how? No, that's a recreational activity.

That's not something that you, but you figured out a way with your smart brain to actually monetize it and promote it. And it's very positive because it's like you're promoting, first of all, you're promoting freedom to choose to live your life the way you want to live, which in your case was like, I don't want to be locked in a cubicle. I don't want to be in an office. I don't want to do this. And this diving in the water, holding your breath and shooting fish.

How's that working out? How many years has it been now? It's been, well, it's been about, what, three years and a half now since I was on the podcast. It's been about three years and a half now since I was on the podcast. And I've been doing this for a good maybe five years. Have your parents settled into it yet? They made a bit of way into it, but they still... They wish you were a lawyer. The first question is more about, like, are you making good money?

Are you fine with that? Which is fair enough. When you're older and you care for your kid, you just want him to be good. Yeah. I guess. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it totally makes sense.

But it's like they must realize that you're like a social media success now. It's like the whole thing is it's actually got weight of its own. It's got some momentum. You know, I see your posts and they're very exciting. And you're deep, deep, deep in the water with a spear gun in your underwear, like swimming around. It's all very exciting, right? I'm way too cold to be wearing underwear in the water. I wish I was.

Well, sometimes you are, aren't you? Even when the water is 80, 90 degrees, I always have a wetsuit. That's because your body is 95, right? What's the human body normally? 37 Celsius. Oh, you Canadians. 98.6. 98.6?

Right, 98.6. So anything under that. I had a waterbed one point in time. And if you're ever in a waterbed and the the heat element goes out you can't sleep in the waterbed like you can't sleep in a cold waterbed it freezes you it sucks water from your body like if you're in a waterbed and it's 70 degrees it's not like being on a 70 degree mattress it's brutal i had no clue yeah you would think that it wouldn't be like being in the water but it feels just like being in the water it It's like, oh, I had to sleep on the ground.

Yeah, I had to sleep on my carpet. That's crazy. No, but that's not the main reason why I wear wetsuits because there's a lot of creepy stuff out there and I don't want fire crawl, a bunch of different things. So I just want to make sure that my skin is protected. Does anybody make a wetsuit that's like Kevlar? That I know of.

Would that work? Because like Kevlar stops knives and bullets. Wouldn't it stop like shark bites? Well, would it be, the problem is that it has to be flexible because afraid of having wetsuit is literally painted on your body. Right. So unless super flexible, it has to be flexible because a freediving wetsuit is literally painted on your body right so unless super flexible it has to be like yeah you have to to it's pretty uncomfortable to put on wetsuit

yeah does it chafe your skin up too it's like first firstly you can't put it on dry so you have to put some soapy water in it oh okay so just that part. It's called that side. It's just... That's a process. Yeah. Just in itself. And so I know they make Kevlar clothes. Is it possible that they can make... See if they make Kevlar wetsuits. Yeah, we got one.

Oh, look at that. Kevlar neoprene. See, you don't want to die. I'm trying to help you. Don't get eaten. I will start a company of Kevlar wetsuits tomorrow. I think they already have one. Jamie's already found one.

Yeah. I at least have articles talking about it. Let me see. Pretty great idea. There's pictures, but I don't know. Here we go. It doesn't really help a lot. Oh, you got to look like a Martian.

Yeah. Let me see. It says like they got... Scientists got sharks to bite into Kevlar. This is what they found What the fuck did you find? God damn it Adblocker

Don't be so cool Because then you could make Like a cool shark design Yeah Where Like you're white at the bottom And dark red at the top So like fish can't see you

From under And then can't see you From the top either That's why sharks Are white on the bottom Huh? Yeah so basically If you look up White you can't see it the top either. That's why sharks are white on the bottom, huh? Yeah, so basically if you look up white, you can't see it, and if you look down darker, you kind of blend it.

Oh, so sneaky. Yeah. Isn't that fascinating? I mean, you must see this a lot because you're always diving, how animals have figured out a way somehow or another through natural selection and evolution to blend in with their environment, like with coral reefs. It's so interesting how animals figure out a way to camouflage themselves.

I mean, the ocean has been around for forever. So, I mean, marine animals have way more time to evolve also. So it's every time I catch a fish, I always spend time looking at it because the design behind any type of seafood is just mind-blowing. What did you show us, Jamie? They were testing a material getting bit by a shark. Let me see it. Did it work? You can't tell. Oh, well, let's see.

It just looks like it's getting eaten. So it's like a brick of the material? Oh, okay. So they got it on a board just to see if it cuts through. Why did the shark bite it? It's probably meat inside of it or something. Yeah, they probably put like tuna inside of it. They're so creepy. Such a fucking creepy animal. I mean, even if it's better than getting your arm ripped off,

but they're definitely going to break it. Yeah. But, you know, if it breaks it, wouldn't that be... It's much better. Yeah. You're not going to get massive tissue loss. You know, you have to get to the hospital pretty quick. Plus, the shark would probably be frustrated and swim away, hopefully.

I mean, most shark attack is very often, unless it's a rare occasion, they take one bite and they're like, I don't really like that, and they just swim away. Aren't we delicious? Apparently not. Apparently we taste like shit. That's so weird because animals like us. I wonder why sharks don't like us. That's so weird. Because animals like us. I wonder why sharks don't like us.

I'm not sure. Because they love seals. Maybe seals are fucking delicious. Maybe. Oh, I tried it. Yeah, you tried seal? I tried it. Seal is actually very invasive in Canada.

It's been for a lot of years. Really? The normal population that it should be should be around like 400, 500,000. And now it is above 4 million. 4 million? So it creates a lot of issues on fish stocks, lobsters, things like that. So it creates a lot of problems. So basically there's different people who use it.

You can eat it. You can wear it. You can wear seals? I have seal boots. Oh, you shouldn't tell people that on this podcast. They're going to come for you. Don't you think, Jamie? Seals are cute.

The problem with seals is they hit a ball with their nose. Well, unless you experience minus 40 wetter, you can try with your H&M boot. It's the same in Fahrenheit. Oh, that's right. That's the number where it becomes the same. It is. Yeah. It's minus 40, minus 40.

And Canada gets really, really cold. I heard about that. And sometimes it's hard to find clothes that makes you warm enough. So seal is the answer? That's the best stuff to wear, really? I mean, when you think about it, okay, let's see this from a rational, not cute little puppy silk perspective. Right.

It's when you're comparing a sealed boots or a sealed jacket that's going to last you for 40 years, 50 years without degrading in the slightest. They're invasive. You can eat the meat. And then if you want to compare that to a Zara jacket that's created a lot of pollution and created a lot of borderline slaveries and poorer country. What kind of jacket did you say? Like a Zara. What's a Zaro? Zara.

Zara? Zara. Do you know what that is? My accent is so weird. It's a company. Oh, like a- Yeah, like a clothing, like H&M. Oh, okay.

So there are better options out there, but those companies sell a lot of jackets. So sometimes you have much better- Right, I get it. Ideas just just by doing that i see what you're saying yeah the people well it's we have these weird connect what is this jamie seal skin boots that's the ones i have those look pretty dope they actually look pretty dope minus 60 degrees that's where they're rated at oh it's i've been in minus 57 degrees celsius and those and i i was not feeling the cold why are they so good like i mean because they live in freezing cold water so i'm guessing that the skin and the fur is actually really insulating and really made for so that would

be better like even if you were like hiking in the mountains than, like, an insulated boot, wouldn't it? For sure. If I'm going or when I'm going hunting in Alaska, I'm wearing that. Really? Oh, yeah. Are they built for hunting? Like, can you, like, side hill with them? Do they have good stability?

I mean, they're pretty good. They have a pretty good grip and type of sole. And the fur is also waterproof have you ever seen like what a technical hunting boot looks like no they um they make them in like a good company's crispy pull up a crispy c-r-i-s-p-i that's a good or schnaes that's another good one s-h-n-e-e-s schnaes makes an excellent hunting boot and they make these boots they design them to be like lightweight but they also like that's the the mid gtx i have a pair of those are really good but they make them to be lightweight but they

also have the ability to side hill so So they're rigid on the sides. And then they make them in, like click on that one right there that you had right there. And then they make them in ways where, you know, they have varying levels of insulation. But I wonder if you could wear it like that right there, that's like a serious hunting boot right there. That's very cool. My friends made fun of me

because I was kind of wearing sneakers type of thing to go hunting because i didn't have anything else were you you were in texas though no i was in alabama alabama yeah was it warm no it was 30 degrees it's freezing oh really what did you hunt in alabama um i went for whitetail and then we did a quail hunt on horses so when did you start hunting because you're all about your whole message is like sustainability, right? Yes. And this is the knock on fishing is that people have an idea that fishing is not sustainable. And Jordan Peterson actually talked about this yesterday and he said what they figured out

is that if you take large blocks of the ocean and make them off limits to fishing, because all the fish live within 40 miles of the shore, most of the fish do. Instead, if you take large blocks of these areas and designate them as off limits to fishing, then the fish grow and thrive in those areas and they venture out into other areas. And it's like it helps.'s win-win well actually that's that study was retracted in october damn it jordan you fucked up uh sorry jordan um it's so basically it's what they call uh mpas which is marine protected areas right and there was the studies who came to the conclusion of the fact that if you increase by something like like four or five percent the amount of marine protected areas, you would increase the fish stock by 20 percent.

And the story was retracted because the doctor who was in charge of the study, apparently the study, the result was, or the study was depending on the result of this one. And it was a bunch of stuff that was just like kind of not okay at all. And like the other guy who co-authors a paper with her was her brother-in-law. So she broke a bunch of rules when it comes to etiquette kind of scientists. The guy who wrote the paper was her brother-in-law? Yeah, there was like some weird things going on. And so the story, the paper was retracted. The paper being retracted in the scientific industry is pretty intense.

Here it is. Retraction of flawed MPA study implicates larger problems in MPA science. God damn it, Jordan. So they not only found that out, but they also found out that basically she had vested interests in governmental policies. Oh. So there was also, there was a political meddling into all of this.

Right. So she had a bias in what she was trying to achieve from that study. So this is also a pretty good website. I'm a partner with them and they're

University of Washington and they talk about a lot of sustainable seafood and things like that. You partner with them? Yeah, we just build up a blog basically together

to talk about sustainable seafood. You know, like people are interested in seafood, which is about six people in the world. But, you know, we're quite a little community. People are interested in seafood. A lot of people are interested in seafood. So what's the best way to keep ocean fish and ocean wildlife sustainable? It's such a complex topic.

It's very, very complicated because there's a lot of assets to it, right? But the thing that I tell people is, tell me what you believe in and I'll tell you what to eat. Because there's not one answer. You can think about protecting the ocean. You can think about carbon footprint. You can think about modern slavery. You can think about... Modern slavery. Oh, think about… Modern slavery?

Oh, there's a lot of people who works on boats in different countries that are barely paid. Really? Yes. So if you're buying fish, you might be buying fish that was caught by slaves? Yes. So there was a big documentary called Fish… Okay. So just to clarify on that point, though, is the seaspiracy talk about that a lot.

Okay. You have a french accent and sometimes when you talk it's it's fine english is your second language i only have one you're better than me but when you say c-spiracy nobody knows the fuck you're talking about you meant c-spiracy it's a film it's a documentary yes c-spits. It was on Netflix, and they kind of portrait a pretty doom and gloom situation of fisheries around the world. And it's about 80% of the seafood being consumed around the world that is still sustainable. There is issues. There's issues in third world countries and remote places.

The United States is the best country in the world when it comes to sustainable seafood. Really? It's about 99% of the seafood being consumed that's coming from the U.S. that is sustainable. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah. So when you say sustainable, how do they do that? Are they doing that with offshore farms? Because I know they have some of those because I was in Hawaii and we were,

shout out to my friends at Strike Zone, we were on a boat and we were catching these yellowfin tuna and this guy was telling me, one of the gentlemen that I was fishing with, that these fish are not even native to that area, that they were a part of like a farm. They have this enormous like kind of roped off area where they had left, like I don't know how they do it. They have like a large net or something like that. Yeah. Enormous area. And they would feed these fish and they were using them for sushi.

And they were, you know, capturing them. So they live in the ocean. They would feed them little fish and shit like that and plump them up. And then a storm came and fucked up their net, and then they got out into the ocean, and we were catching them. And apparently there was one area where you could catch a lot of them, and that's where we caught them. And I was like, this is really interesting because could they do this all the time?

Is this a way to reintroduce fish into the ocean? Because they behaved like wild fish. It's not like any other animal that you raise in captivity and they become domesticated. Fish just have that little robotic go, eat, kill, like, switch in their brain. You don't have to teach them how to do it. I mean, farming is, like, it's a pretty touchy subject because there's good farming, there's bad farming, you know, same thing. Right, like things with animals, same thing, right. Yeah, but when you think about fish farming, it's the same thing as cattle.

It's basically the exact same thing. So there's a good way to raise it and there's a bad way to raise it. And I think it's just about finding that species. Tuna's a bit tough because they're pelagic, so it means that they're migratory fish. Yeah, migratory yeah and uh so it's you know what they often do especially with bluefin tuna like tuna that have very high value is they're going to catch it in a while they're going to put in pans and just fat them up making sure like they're nice and chubby and then they can sell it too

how do they catch them in a net normally proscien is probably one of the, it accounts for a lot of, I think over 65% of the tuna catch around the world. It's a great way to catch tuna because it's basically, you throw a net around a school of tuna. So there's very little bycatch because you just grab that school and then that's it. Okay, so you don't have to worry about dolphins. Yeah, so the problem becomes when you use what you call a fad so fast is the fishing or grading device and what it does it creates like a little habitat normally it's like some stuff hanging and then you have a small fish then the medium fish and a big fish and the predators around so what did a lot of people do is they put those fads in the middle of nowhere it creates an ecosystem

throw in gigantic sorry net it, pick up everything. That's when the bycatch gets terrible. But per se, when you're catching a school without fads, the bycatch is very, very low. So bycatch is what they call a collateral damage. So it's a bunch of fish that you don't want. What do they do with the fish that they don't want? What if they do that and they throw a net and they get like like manta rays or something that they're not

looking for it's they throw them overboard most of the time they're dead um a lot of people try to say like why don't we just keep the bycatch when it comes to fish obviously like nobody wants to eat dolphin apart on other parts of the world. What parts of the world eat dolphin? Japan, I think. Do they eat dolphin? I think so. I know they kill them.

That Cove documentary is horrible. So you can buy it at the store. Really? Yes. I want to see dolphin meat on a shelf. Let me see that. That's like, to me, that's like people meat. It's pretty, yeah, it's pretty intense. They're very, very smart.

Isn't it, that's the thing. Isn't it funny how we categorize animals in terms of their intelligence? Like what, what you're willing to kill. Like elk are, they are very highly tuned into their environment. Like they smell you, they'll run. run you know they see a mountain line they run if there's anything going on they run but they're not smart like they if you if they're horny like and you have uh camo on you could be standing with your back to a tree and and you catch them on the right day and if you got a guy who has a cow call it's like meh they'll look right out you're like for real where is she where the fuck is she like they don't if you stand totally still you know they recognize um they they're they're not an animal that sees things like we

see things they they have like edge detection so So they recognize movement. So what they recognize is anything that might be a threat, anything movement. So when you have camo, like I'm wearing a Sitka shirt. So it's like Sitka camo. It's like very broken up. It's excellent camo. So if you're standing dead still, that elk or a deer sees you. It's just like blocks of like images. They don't know what the fuck you are.

Are they colorblind too? I think so. I think they are. Deer is definitely colorblind. Yeah. I think elk are colorblind too. But my god, their sense of smell is insanity. It'd be like 150 yards away. They'd be like, see ya. That's crazy.

What level of picture do you want to see? Because it gets kind of dark in here. Okay, let's see the most sanitized version of dolphin. All right, that's what I thought. Let's see the most sanitized. Okay. See what it looks like.

There you go. Oh, Jesus. They have dolphin sashimi. Okay, that's mahi-mahi, buddy. Well, it says dolphin sashimi. That's dolphin fish. Oh, yeah, dolphin in Florida is mahi-mahi. Yeah, they call it dolphin fish, and that is mahi-mahi, buddy. Well, it says dolphin sashimi. That's dolphin fish. Oh, yeah, dolphin in Florida is mahi-mahi. Yeah, they call it dolphin fish, and that is mahi-mahi.

Thank God. Now I feel okay. I was nervous. I was like, I'm going to eat looking at a person's leg. Okay, now that stuff on the left, that's dolphin. That's different. Okay, Jesus Christ. So that's dolphin.

Meat trade dolphin project. So click on that, international killing of whales and dolphins, below that right dolphin. Meat trade dolphin project. Click on that. International killing of whales and dolphins. Below that, right there. God damn. That's so obviously. So red. Look how bloody it is. It's red meat. Dolphin is a mammal.

That's what we have to recognize. When you look at them, you're not looking at a fish. You're looking at a mammal that for whatever fucking weird reason, decided to live in the ocean. Yeah. That's crazy. Isn't it weird, though?

All of our instincts are to pull away from that. There's even some package stuff, too. Funny enough, I've killed deers and a bunch of fish, and the only thing that I ever killed that felt very, very wrong to me, that I felt really bad inside was an octopus. Because they're smart. Yes, and I don't know, it was just a weird feeling after it. Really?

I was just like, I don't want to do that again, I don't feel comfortable. Really? It was very odd, I have no other explanation than emotions. There's no rational behind it. You can find octopus in most restaurants. Right. Yeah, so octopus sushi is super common.

Yeah. I had octopus last night, actually. No, I didn't. No, that's not true. I had octopus two nights ago. I don't want to lie. But, yeah, if I saw them in the wild, I probably would not want to kill them. But if it's convenient, I'll order them.

Like veal. Yeah. I don't want to kill a baby cow. If somebody serves me veal, I guess I'll eat it. It's like, it's a weird thing. It's like, why is it okay to kill the cow when it's, you know, eight years old and not okay to kill the cow when it's one years old? Like, it's weird. I get it. I don't. I get it's weird. Like, I get it.

I don't. I get it. They're cute. I get it. Cute things are awesome. I like cute things. You know? Like, if you saw a lamb, you'd never buy a lamb if you saw what lamb is.

For sure. Like, I was with some friends last night and they ordered lamb. Like, apparently lamb is easier for some folks to digest. Jordan's wife and his daughter, and they all eat lamb. But lamb's a baby sheep. Yeah. Yeah. You ever seen a blanket octopus?

Whoa. Watch this. Oh, they're so cute. Watch what happens. What is that? Whoa. Oh. Oh, my God.

That's amazing. What? Oh, my God. That's amazing. What? It's fucking cool. I saw it online the other day. That's real? Yeah. Holy shit. They're real rare.

Really? One that done, like, superhuman. Can you play that again? It's in the Philippines. Can you just, like, put it back in? Look at that thing. So cool. Wow.

For folks just listening, this thing, it's white, and it has, like, little tiny tentacles. Looks like an octopus white and it has like little tiny tentacles looks like an octopus but like little short tentacles and then it spreads this thing out behind it and it's like a magic carpet it's almost like superman like like that's wild and the thing is all colored like a fish too like you look at the sides of it it all colored like a fish, too. Like, you look at the sides of it, it almost looks like a fish. Like it's camouflaged. God, look at that. It's so beautiful. That's amazing.

That's one of the coolest things I've ever seen in the ocean. I can't imagine that's real. Wow. Must be really deep, too. Thank you, Jamie. I did not know about that. I did not know either. There's so much cool shit in the ocean.

Whenever they do these deep dives in the ocean and they find creatures that they never discovered before, it just makes you wonder, what is down there? What the fuck is down there? Have you ever seen a telescope fish? Oh, my God. I don't think so. Telescope fish is amazing. It doesn't look real. And it swallows things bigger than it.

So its mouth is like unhinged. Like, rah! Oh, yeah. Weird thing with like other mouths inside of it? No. No? It was on my Instagram. I had it on my Instagram a while back.

Because the first time I saw it, I was like, how the fuck is that real? Is that it? I don't know, man. No, that's not it. Is that even real? Fish with a transparent head. What the fuck is that? Yeah, it's got a transparent head. that's not it is that even real fish with a transparent head yeah it's got a transparent head you can see into its brain okay it looks like some cgi shit but that's totally real that looks totally fake i think it was a top nine of somebody sent me a

meme that said when your friends tell you that there's plenty of fish in the sea and they send like nine the ugliest fish in the ocean and this is that plenty of fish in the sea and they send like nine the ugliest fish in the ocean and it says that's the fish in the sea. That's funny. See if you can find a telescope fish. That's it. That little sucker. So that little sucker, his mouth, it like

it opens up bigger than his whole body. Like the opening and then it can swallow things bigger than its body like if you saw that in a movie you'd be like get the fuck out of here that's not real like if you saw that in avatar and it was swimming around and it was like eight feet long and it was swallowing things that are 10 feet long you'd be like what the fuck it doesn't look real but that's the ocean the ocean's amazing like if the ocean existed on another planet, we would be so much more excited about it.

For sure. Isn't that weird? But again, it's those species that have been evolving for way longer than we have. But they are alien. They're alien to terrestrial life. Like, if you saw them on another planet, we would be fascinated. But they exist, and you can watch them on YouTube and barely anybody gives a shit

like how many videos were that the octopus with the cape how many views did it have like I said I just heard of it you'd never heard of it right let's see how many views it has though maybe we're just idiots maybe the rest of the world's well aware it's got 45 million views the little tiny one

had 31,000 views that ain't shit that's nothing 45 million views. The little tiny one had 31,000 views. That ain't shit. That's nothing. And the one I showed, the other one had maybe 300,000. Mr. Beast gets that within the first three seconds of his uploads. Yeah. That's crazy. It's like you should, that should be millions and millions.

But if you go to like, you know, tiktok house party video that's like 100 million views we should be much more fascinated by it but we're not for whatever reason it's not something that's compelling to people where they reach out and try to look at as much uh underwater life as possible i mean especially at those depths when it's getting like really dark, that's where the real creepy stuff really live. I think that's like 500 plus meters. What depth does that little sucker live in? I think it's something crazy. Yeah, I think my diving capability don't go below really like 100 feet.

Well, you don't scuba for the most part? No, I free dive. You free dive. So you just hold your breath. Yeah. How long can you hold your breath for? Five minutes,

45. Whoa. But I don't train for free diving, pure free diving. I like to get in the water and like to grab dinner and enjoy the view.

Right. Free diving is a very special sport. Yeah. It's like you go down a line and you go down as deep as you can and you hold your breath you have to stay calm and compose and your head and you have to be mentally super strong and it's it's interesting you can get into it but it's i guess i have too much of a attention deficit to do that i'm like oh fish well you're just you're in it for a different thing you're in it

to enjoy the the life of being underwater when you're down there do you think like i escaped do you ever think like i like you escaped like because you could have could have been in that corporate world you could have been like right now how old do you know 34 you don't want to tell people yeah 34 right now you could have been like working towards you know like moving up in the company and you'd have to go on those stupid dinners and and and deal with all the company politics and instead you're in the ocean yes it's actually the only time and place where I couldn't care less about my phone, about anything. I mean, the president could be calling me. I'll be like, sorry, I'm busy and fishing.

Yeah. So that's what I like. There's no other place that I can actually feel this free about everything else. Is there a concern that you eat so much fish that you could get mercury poisoning? Is there a concern that you eat so much fish that you could get mercury poisoning? Not really, because mercury poisoning is really more into bigger species. So, swordfish, by example, shark, some very, very big tuna. So, I don't really eat enough of those fish that that would become a problem. How can I say those?

The what? Those fish. Those fish. Those bigger fish. Those bigger fish. Yeah yeah like swordfish i have a friend who got mercury poisoning from from eating too much swordfish oh so they kill a swordfish and just eat the whole thing get sick no it was a guy it was a chartering guide so you know he just had a lot of fish all the time and it's it fucks you up pretty badly like you can start crying for no reason and you don't know why.

It makes you just, yeah, it's pretty odd. Yeah, I'd heard about a guy who was a, I heard about on my friend Steve Rinell's podcast where the guy was a professional fisherman. Like you would go into lakes and they would compete in tournaments and he would eat a lot of fish. And those apparently are the ones that have the most heavy metal toxins is a lot of fish and those apparently are the ones that have the most

uh heavy metal toxins is a lot of freshwater freshwater fish yeah i'm not too familiar with that type i very rarely fish in freshwater well um i had arsenic levels in my blood that were detected at one point in time and i went to this this doctor, and you know, I get blood work done regularly. So I get this blood work done, and the doctor goes, this is concerning. He goes, you have arsenic levels in your blood. And I go,

hmm. And I was like, oh shit, that's my wife trying to tell me. And I lie to the first thing that comes up to my head. This bitch trying to slowly poison me. No,

and then he said, it's very low levels though. He goes, do you eat a lot of seafood? I go, I eat a lot of anchovies. He goes, how often? Or not anchovies, excuse me, sardines.

He goes, how often? I go, every day. He goes, how much do you eat? I go, three, four cans. He goes, stop doing that. That's a lot. He goes, stop doing that, and then come back in a few months. I'm an obsessive, and one of the things that i'll do is i'll buy like two

cases of sardines and so like if i like a sardine company i'm like these are good so i'll just buy like two fucking cases and then i'll come home from like a comedy club at like midnight and i don't feel like cooking but i want to like watch a little youtube or sit in front of the tv so i'll eat like three or four cans of sardines. And I was doing it all the fucking time. And so I was developing like an arsenic problem, but it cleared up very quickly. I stopped doing it. I stopped eating them. And then I came back to him in three months and he's like, there's none. It's all gone. So it was all good. That's crazy though. Yeah. Well, let's, you know, you know know you know you you know those little fuckers you

know they have to swim around in our bullshit that's true it's what it is it's our bullshit it's our toxins and whatever we're dumping into the ocean i'll give you a little fucking thing you might not know do you know how the somalis know, Somalis are known for being pirates, right? Do you know why? I think it's because we took pretty much all of their fish close to shore and now they got pissed off. Worse. And they decided to become pirates and kill us all or actually steal our money. Worse. Worse?

Worse than that. They started, Europeans and other countries started dumping their toxic waste off the shore of Somalia. Yikes. And they killed all the fish. And so these Somali fishermen, they called themselves, I think they called themselves the people's something. God damn it, I forget what they called themselves initially. It was like a militia idea like they were going to go and stop these people who were destroying their livelihood yeah i mean it's a very poor country yeah so they started kidnapping these people that were the captains of these boats that were dumping this toxic waste and

they would demand a ransom and then once they they did that, they go, you know what? Fuck fishing. They just started kidnapping people. Went into this business. And then on top of that, they started, they were doing a drug called cat. It's a narcotic, like a natural narcotic. And this cat is like a leaf that you chew,

and it makes your teeth rot out of your head. Like, it's fucking disgusting. Like, they get black teeth. See if you can find K-H-A-T, cat teeth. It's because it's like they're chewing this funky leaf, and it gives them, it's like a meth face thing they get. You ever see, like, faces of meth where people, like, they like a meth face thing they get. You ever see like faces of meth where people like they lose their teeth

and their teeth get all cracked out? Kind of. Yeah. I mean, it might be just like they're not brushing, but I think there's a lot more to it. But this cat stuff, they chew and it makes their teeth like fucking black and nasty so they're cranked out of their mind and then they got these nasty teeth yeah that that's

what it looks like when they chew that stuff that's fucking wild right yeah khat chewing and dental staining yeah it's weird that's pretty bad so these guys would get cranked up on this cat stuff, and then they didn't give a fuck, and then they would go after these boats. What is the effect? It is like a stimulant, right, Jamie? Does it say? I believe.

The effect of cat, K-H-A-T. Let me just take that off of there. Yeah, I think it is. I don't know about full meth, but probably a lot like coke or something. Cat and alcohol and drug foundation. It's a big difference between coke and meth. Yeah, big difference, right? Well, coke is what you do when you have money.

That's a good point. Right? Meth is what you do when you're in a truck stop. Alkaloid, stimulant. Yeah. So it's some alkaloid, cathinone, a stimulant, which is said to have caused excitement, loss of appetite, and euphoria. It's meth. It's like a meth-y thing.

So these guys would get whacked out on this stuff, and then they'd go and fucking kidnap boats. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. I'm the captain now. That's what that is. I mean, that's why that dude was so skinny. He obviously probably didn't have a lot to eat either, but also probably whacked out on that cat stuff. That's crazy.

Yeah, it's interesting. So that's what happened. Those fucking assholes from other countries came and dumped all their toxic waste. You know, if they don't know what to do with their toxic waste, like, what are we going to do? Just dump it over here. So they were dumping it off the shore where these guys would fish. Just destroyed the habitat of the fishing.

What did they call themselves? Like the People's Navy of Somalia? So I was digging through an article about it, and I didn't find that first. It's interesting because by other people being assholes, they force these pleasant, kind fishermen into becoming pirates.

And nobody probably talks about it. They don't want to take responsibility. Yeah, probably not. Also, it's like they don't have a voice. All everybody knows is somalis are pirates like you hear somali pirates you go i've heard that before yeah but if you hear like somalis got fucked over they used to be fishermen and people were dumping toxic waste overseas and it forced him into becoming pirates you're like uh that makes more sense like how else would

they just become pirates like why would they like you know what's that why are they becoming pirates i mean it's a bunch of paris also off the coast of brazil oh really so my um my dad retired and he bought a sailboat and he ran across the atlantic whoa for like three years and he he had a couple of friends who went somewhere that they were not really supposed to go and they got kind of, their boat got taken over by Paris. They got like duct taped and everything and they stole everything they had on the boat with guns and everything. Like an older couple in their 60s.

Holy shit. How'd they get out? What happened? How'd they survive? I guess they just stole everything and they just left. They left them duct taped? But it's storied about ransoms, about asking the family for money and different things like that. Yeah, the ocean can be a pretty scary place if you don't know where to go. Well, it's kind of lawless.

There's a thing about the ocean. It's like when you're out in the middle of nowhere and then you see a boat. Like if you're on a boat in the middle of nowhere and then you see another boat in the middle of nowhere you're like oh fuck right it's like the woods like things are scary in the woods like if you see a man at the mall that's not scary but if you're like 14 15 miles into the woods and you see a man and he looks at you in the eye like oh jesus this guy gonna eat me like what the fuck you know like you it's when people are separated from everything we think of the worst possible thing that they could do to us whether it's in the ocean or in the fall like even a baby in the woods if you saw a baby in the woods looking at you'd be like ha

it's a fucking baby you'd let her run away like everything's scary in the woods looking at you'd be like ah it's a fucking baby you'd let her run away like everything's scary in the woods that's true because i did from um i actually did from brazil all the way to the top of the caribbean with my dad on a sailboat really and it was my dad one of his friend and me do you guys have a gun so my dad didn't answer me when I asked that question. Oh, so you had a gun. Yes, the answer was yes. Yeah, he had a gun. But we were like 400 miles away offshore.

400? Yeah. So I had to work two-hour shift every four hours for about three weeks. Whoa. What do you have to do? So because especially even if you're far away, they have small fishing boats that don't show on the radar. So you kind of have to be on lookout and look every five minutes on both sides of the boat to see if you see lights to make sure you don't kill somebody in the middle of the night.

Have you seen the video that just got out recently of these guys that are fishing on this boat? They're just sitting there with their rods fishing. And this boat is coming straight towards them and they wave and then they realize, oh my God, this boat's not going to stop and they jump out of the water and into the water. Did you see that? I did see that. And I would, I would, I would like to say that this is an isolated incident, but what

scares me the most in the water, it's boats. Oh yeah. It's not sharks. It's not anything. It's boats because actually it happened to me once I was with friends and the boat was literally

on top of us here it is and we dove down this is it it's a couple years old just so you know but oh shit

boom crazy watch this hey hey hey oh my god fuck how bad did the boat get fucked up Fuck

How bad did the boat get fucked up? Jesus That's what you call a Sunday boat driver Well Oh my god They just mangled their boat Wow that's crazy That's so insane

Well my friend got a boat of his fin Chopped up by a prop He saw the boat coming And he dove down straight away and the prop chopped both of his fin off. The fins of his swimming fins? Yeah. Both fins chopped off. So it could have been his legs. It could have been a disaster.

Could have been his head. Could have been anything. And the funny thing is he dove down because I was showing something in the bottom. Well, I've been on the lake before on a boat, and I've seen a lot of people drinking. That's a weird one. When people are drinking on the lake, and you're like, hmm, I don't know if I want to be on this lake.

You know? Did you ever remember that Trump rally? I thought that's what you do out there. It is kind of what you do, but. I know, so you're supposed to be responsible. I got a boat that goes fast. Yeah. If you're hammered and you want to gun it, you're dead.

Everyone's going to die. It goes fast. Yeah, but also, you're wayboarding, and then at some point, you let go of the rope, and then you fall down the board, and then you're in the middle of the lake. And then you have to look out for other people. Yeah, because other people... Yeah, that's dangerous. I have drunk Steven or his four girlfriends coming full speed at you.

He's not going to see you. There's accidents like that all the time. That's sketchy. It must be. I don't do that shit, though. You know what I like more than anything is jet skiing. Oh, my God. It's so much fun.

They're so fast. The jet skis they have now, they're so fast. I bought this house, and it had jet skis. It came with jet skis, and we bought that jet skis from the people. Then my wife wanted to get better ones so we got these. I'm like, why wouldn't these be fine?

Then she got these new jet skis and they're fucking preposterous. The jet skis they make today are so goddamn fast. They're like zero to 60 in a couple of seconds. Like a car. That's crazy.

Like whoosh. They make those super cool new like fishing ones too. But the good thing about jet ski- So you have a life bait box and a cooler. Oh, really? And a jet ski? Yeah. They're all set up so that you can just go out at sea and just go fish off that.

Oh, I haven't seen that. It's pretty cool. So it's like an attachment that you put on the end of your jet ski? I think so. I think that they made the fishing jet ski. The thing about the jet ski is they're so maneuverable. It's so much more maneuverable than a boat. Boats are awkward like you like you like backing up and moving it's like you're subject to the

waves with a jet ski you're just fucking you're just doing whatever you want to do you want to take a left and take a left it's like a motorcycle that's on the water so if you fall it's like no big deal but you you're going like i mean I guess it's not really motorcycle speeds, but they're pretty preposterous. Oh, my God. That's wild. Pretty cool, eh? So it's a fishing jet ski, intentionally versatile, ready for any adventure. So it's got a fishing seat.

That's crazy. That's smart. And room for a cooler in the back and everything. That is actually very smart. That's very smart. Fish pro sport. cooler in the back and everything. That is actually very smart. That's very smart. Fish Pro Sport. Let me see it. Scroll back up again.

So there's different models. I wonder what's different about them. Fish Pro. Let me see them. Oh, that's like an extra seat on the back compared to even the. Yeah, it's got a fishing seat. That's so cool. Yeah, so it's like a boat, like a bass boat.

Oh, so it pops up there. Yeah. Go back up to that film, that photo, rather, sorry. Yeah, so that's pretty dope. That is ideal. Because then you could just, and look, it's got a little cooler in the back. So you could just pull up to a little area

and start casting and then zip off. Oh, that's great. That's amazing. I like it, man.. Oh, that's great. That's amazing. I like it, man. Sea-doos, huh? Yeah. Yeah, they make dope shit. I think mine's a sea-doo.

I definitely used that. Oh, he fucked up. I think that's the ad. It's like saying, you're going to be silly. Jump in the water, you wacky fuck. Yeah, there's a lot of fishing out here in Texas because they grow big bass out here. Oh, really? Yeah, huge.

Yeah, big ass fat boys. I went off the coast mostly. The oil rigs are pretty cool. Oh, oil rigs are probably cool, right? Because the fish, the little fish are attracted to the oil rigs. Yeah. So the big fish come around to look for the little fish. So structure.

There's like one of the most hardcore spearfishing you can also do, which, you know, can also be qualified as a bit dumb. You basically jump off the back of a shrimper. So, of course, a lot of shrimp like getting loose into the water and then you have thousands of sharks circling around. And you have basically

you get in the water you pass the sharks and two nos are below getting the scraps from the shark. What? It's pretty cool. Have you done that? I've done it once

and I didn't feel too comfortable doing it. The fuck girl? Are you crazy? You can find some footage of that for sure. Yeah, find some footage of that. So the shrimp boats are catching the shrimp, and how are the sharks there? Because they smell the shrimp? So basically, yeah, they're eating the shrimp off the back of the boat.

So because like the nets, they're always falling off the boat, falling off the nets and stuff like that. So the sharks are eating the scraps, and then they eat sloppy. So below them, the tunas. So there's tunas and sharks all together, but normally the tuna stays below the sharks. Why don't the sharks just kill the tunas? Can they? I don't know. Do sharks eat tunas?

Or are the tunas too fast? The shark is pretty much anything in the water. But tunas are way faster than sharks, right? Aren't they? I'd say so. So a tuna has to be slipping. Yeah. The shark has to catch a tuna slipping.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. But also sharks, you know, I like to compare it to dogs a lot. It maybe sounds weird, but they're like an easy meal. That's why when you hear spearfishing bands popping in the water, normally they know what's happening and sometimes they like

to come around because they know a free easy meal is probably going to be around soon you know that's what happens with grizzlies oh really

grizzlies hear gunshots and they run towards the gunshot because they assume the gunshot means an animal like a deer or an elk so sometimes training them

and I believe it's Montana if you shoot a we'll find that in a moment here. Let's see. They caught some tunas. Yeah, they're right. I'll show you that. No, I'd put like spearfishing, shrimp boat. Okay, go spear.

My bad. Oh, what were you saying? This was just, these guys were behind a boat. That's Blackfin also. Oh, so they're fishing behind a shrimp boat. Oh, that's smart. But you have to reel it really fast because

once the tuna's hooked, the shark is going to go for it. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then you have half a tuna. Yeah, I gotta check the spear. Hold on a second. I think it's in Wyoming where you have to leave the elk. You have to give it up.

Really? Yeah, you're not even allowed to chase the grizzly off. I'm pretty sure it's Montana. Or excuse me, not Montana, Wyoming. Let's find that out in a moment. How do you even chase a grizzly up in here? Good luck, bitch. I'm not trying.

Yeah. Have you seen that crazy documentary about that guy who is... Grizzly man. good luck, bitch. I'm not trying. Yeah. Wow. For sure. Have you seen that crazy documentary about that guy who's... Grizzly Man. Yeah. Yeah. And he ended up being eaten

with his girlfriend. One of my favorite documentaries ever. Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen it. It's an unintentional comedy. I think it's an on-purpose comedy. I think Werner Herzog is brilliant. And I think that's different

than any of his other movies where it's so funny that I gotta think that he made it funny on purpose. That it has to be. It has to be. Wyoming rules when it comes to a downed animal claimed by a grizzly. Fish in game rules.

Because I believe the idea is they're trying to discourage grizzly encounters with people they don't want people to try to chase off a grizzly and get killed so I think yeah I think they just have decided listen you shoot an elk and a grizzly claims it

that's not your elk anymore I don't know if that means you get to shoot another one, which would be pretty cool, or if it means that's a wrap. Like is your tag forfeit by then or not? Exactly, because if you have a big hunting trip and you shoot an elk and say you're out there for a week and a half, you're in the backcountry,

and maybe this is something you've been planning for for years, you budgeted, you put in the back country and you know maybe this is like something you've been planning for for years you budgeted you put in for a tag you know you you spent all your money on this this is a big deal and you're looking to have like a freezer full of meat for the winter boom you drop this elk from 300 yards and then by the time you get over there you see a fucking grizzly coming down the hill towards your elk you're like no you son of a bitch because that's what happens they hear a gunshot and in some areas where they're habituated to the sound of gunshots equaling but gut piles in particular you're talking yeah you're talking about gun because i'm like 300 yards like how much you pound it didn't you know no no i'm talking a gun boom guns yeah no by the way you friend um so so Tyler set me up with my bow this week.

Tyler from Archer Country? Yeah. Archery Country's the shit. So I'm a little tiny little 35 now. If you're in Austin, Texas. I'm like, ee. 35 pounds? Well, if you're in Austin, Texas and you're looking for archery equipment, you want to

get set up, they're a fucking amazing shop, Archery Country. That's where I get all my shit done. fucking amazing shop, Archery Country. That's where I'd get all my shit done. It's so nice having like a real bow shop in town because there wasn't one in California. He knows everything. It's crazy. He already set up.

I have this big trip coming up. I'm supposed to go to Alaska, I think, next October. What are you doing in Alaska? I'm supposed to go bow hunting with Donnie Vincent. Oh. Didn't you go somewhere other hunting with him? No. So basically that's going to be that ship.

COVID kind of pushed everything up. Oh, I see. I see. I mean, my chances of shooting an elk with my bow, eh, not that great. When is this supposed to happen? When is this supposed to happen? October. October.

Yeah. Okay. You have time. Okay. So here we are. Yeah. What do I do do um well first of all let me see your guns pull the guns up okay we're gonna have to work on that because 35 pounds

is not enough it's just not enough i mean ted nugent shemaine nugent would probably argue with me she showed me a zebra she shot with a 35 pound ball well i could pull out about 45 that's like my for now for now we gotta get you on steroids. We're going to get you on steroids. So no hot yoga anymore, but steroids instead. Yeah, steroids and weights. And you're going to wrestle Gordon Ryan every day. We need to get you strong. Like it's a pulling motion.

We need to get your- Yeah. And then it's also a stability motion for the front arm. So you need like shoulder. You know what's really good? Have you ever done like clubs, club bells? You ever done those? You know what those are? I don't even know what those are. It's like, um, it looks like a bowling pin almost, but it's made out of iron and on it. We sell them

it on it. They're awesome. And what it is, is a really good exercise for shoulder stability and strength. And what you do is like, I do a bunch of exercise with them, but one of them that I really like for archery is called shield casting. So, um, okay. It's like, it's perfect. So if this was actually have some out here, I'll show them. So if this was this iron thing, you go around the shoulder like that and then put it in front of you and around like that and put it in front of you. So the whole idea is like you're strengthening all these muscles in your shoulder and then you're also strengthening your ability to hold it out less. And there's a bunch of other exercises I do with them,

a bunch of different kinds of exercises I do them. So there you go. You see them there. That's my boy John Wolf right there, the one with the arms sticking straight out. That's my buddy. He's actually a guy I train with all the time. And a mate between a bowling pin and a baseball bat. Yes, very similar.

And John, he's just an awesome trainer all around. He's the head trainer over at Onnit, and he has a bunch of different workout programs that he's devised. Onnit has a thing called Onnit 6. It's all these different workouts, bodyweight workouts, kettlebell workouts, all kinds of stuff that you can do at home that they devised during COVID to help people. If they couldn't get to a gym, you could just buy a couple of pieces of equipment like a steel club, and they'll set you through all of these different exercises and workouts.

But clubs are really good for bows. I really like it. And so does my friend John Dudley. We'll have to get him to help you. That would be great. I mean, I travel so much. It's so hard to get consistency when it comes to training because you know you want to always train in the same place. Can you make it out to Iowa? Can you make it to Iowa? I could go anywhere.

Okay. I'll send you out. Power for my laptop. John Dudley is like legitimately the best archery coach in the world. Oh, fun. Yeah, he's one of my best friends. We'll send you out to him. Yeah, that'd be great. He'll coach you. He'll show you how to do it. He does it all the time. This is literally what he does. And he's also one of the guys that, he's like a top pro at PSE, which is a bow company, so they'll set you up. That's the bow I use. Awesome.

But what kind of bow do you have? I got a Hoyt Equip. Hoyt. Those are great. Yeah. Yeah, Hoyt's awesome. They're all awesome. Like when you get to like Matthews, Hoyt, PSE, there's a bear makes awesome bows. Yeah.

There's a level of bow when you get to a certain level. At a certain level, they're all really good. I just want to be able to draw it and work on my form and try to like just become better at it. You've got to get stronger though. I do though i do you gotta pump those guns up i know you're doing jujitsu because i saw on your instagram when george came to town and uh that was fun right like we all went out and had cheeseburgers it was really fun and i was like oh these canadians can all talk to each other and they're foreign tongue now you and and George can speak de palais vous français. We speak very differently. Yes, you guys speak French. But then I saw that you went

and trained with Gordon and Gordon's girlfriend. And you were at the gym. How was that? It was really good. So I've started my... So I do MMA stuff on Tuesday and then grappling on Thursday.

It really came up from the fact that I'm a girl, I'm traveling by myself. So I just really wanted to have kind of a base of when it comes to self-defense type of stuff. So it's, it's funny story. I got knocked out by a 14 year old during my class, but we can talk about that. A 14 year old girl knocked you out? Yeah.

Wow. How cold? I fell on the floor. I was standing up and I fell. What'd she hit you with? So, I mean, she, she had gloves on. The thing is, it was like her first or second class or something. And I had headgear on and she didn't.

So I was only allowed to hit her in the body. And my coach kept telling her, like, you know, just use maybe like 10, 50% of your strength. And she keeps hitting me as hard as she could in the face. And I was like, you know, like, take it easy. Like, you know, we're here to have fun. And then I was not looking. And she just hit me in the side of the temple as hard as she could. And I fell on the ground.

And my coach looked at me. And he was like, please don't do this. Please just, like, just smile and get up. I looked at him. I was like, fine. Please don't do this, meaning don't be out cold. He saw my face. He was like, just be nice. Were you angry?

I was very angry. Did you talk to the 14-year-old? Did she apologize? She didn't. She didn't apologize? No. She just felt a little bit. I mean, she kind of did, but she was like, sorry.

But then we kept sparring, and she just felt a little bit. I mean, she kind of did, but she was like, sorry. But then we kept sparring and she just kept like hitting as hard. After she dropped you, you kept sparring? I mean, a little bit. Like I took it easy after. Like the coach was like, told her like, look, like go very freaking easy from now on. And it was. You're not supposed to spar after you get hit like that. What kind of coach do you have?

I mean, he's nice. He's a really nice guy. And that's nice. Listen, when you get hit in the head and you fall down and you're like like almost out cold you might have a concussion

that should be the end of the training session kicks and stuff after so it wasn't that bad oh it was like not to my head not to my head

yeah but still my head was off limit you don't know what's going like you're still sparring though like you don't know what's going on after you get hit in the head like that

because I've seen it so many times where guys get dropped and then they want to go back and spar. And you got to go, hey, this is over. Like, you can't do this anymore. And most of the time, it's an accident. Most of the time, it's like sometimes, like, a guy will do something. Like, you're trying to touch people. You're not trying to hit them hard.

But sometimes a guy will, like, rush forward right when you're doing something and you just collide and you get hit. It happens. Even like there's a video that I just saw the other day of Donald Cerrone accidentally knocking this guy out. Clearly accidentally. He did not hit him full blast. He just set up a punch and he threw a kick and the kid turned towards the kick and whack. Well, I think also when you're starting i think it's you know a bit of instinctual to just try to hit as hard as you can

yeah not like it's you know just want to not prove yourself a little bit but you know the solution to that though is to do drills first like uh my friend duane ludwig he uh he teaches at bang muay thai which is like duane is uh he was a world class kickboxer, awesome MMA fighter. He held the record at one point in time of the fastest knockout in the UFC. But what he really excels at, maybe even more than fighting, which he was really awesome at fighting, but he's a fantastic coach. And one of the things he's done is he's broken down his system. All of his martial arts techniques he he's got written in books. He's got it down to, like I've never seen anybody more thorough.

And he's in Arvada, Colorado, I believe, outside of Denver. And what Dwayne does is before, you don't just start sparring with Dwayne. With Dwayne, everybody is working on combinations. Like you would throw like one, two, left hook to the body, right low kick. And then my job would be to block, block, step, check. And then we would do it again. And you would do it back and forth. So you would get accustomed to the idea of hitting each other. And then he would make it really clear that you guys are working together, you know, trying to hurt each

other. You're just touching each other. So you get used to touching each other, just touching and sparring, just tap, tap, tap in these drills. And then you move to sparring. So you have the same sort of mentality of just touching each other. And then that's how you get good. That's how you get good. And then when it comes to hitting hard, you hit the pads or you hit a heavy bag. But look, when I was coming up, everybody hit everybody hard. No one exercised any restraint. When we sparred, there were wars. It was terrifying. It was so bad. So that was the early days of MMA too. If you go back to the early days of the UFC, all those fighters would have gym wars and sometimes

they would ruin their careers in the gym because they would get knocked out so often everyone would get knocked out all the time but I think that's what's really really cool about like this sport that is even like anything that's MMA related or jiu-jitsu it's for me it really I got into it thinking it was just about defending myself and just hitting something and getting some pressure release and stuff like that. Then it was, it's not at all. It's very cool. I, especially from jujitsu, I really enjoyed the whole mental aspect of it,

of trying to find what your next move is going to be and that type of stuff. So it's, I'll see. Jujitsu is very intellectually challenging. It is, 100%. There are so many, like I have a whole thing on my phone that i have saved up of all these different uh moves that i've seen guys do that i've never do that i've never seen anybody do before like i have like a whole folder of these moves where

i'll review them i'm like how the fuck is he doing that and i'll have to watch it like three four times the way this person's setting up like an omoplata to the back control and then i'm like, how the fuck is he doing that? And I'll have to watch it like three, four times. The way this person's setting up like an omoplata to the back control. And then I'm like, okay, is that real? And then I'll have to send it to, I'll send it to like Eddie Bravo. And I'll say, hey, is this legit? And he'll go, that looks pretty legit. And then he'll like try it or he'll go, that's not legit because of this. And it's like, there's so many techniques.

It's almost like language. Like there's so many words you can use. There's so many phrases you can say, and there's so many sort of attacks you can have in jujitsu. It's so different than any other martial art in that regard. Cause there's like an infinite number of possibilities that the human body can kind of engage in these entanglements with. For sure. And I mean, it was when I went and joined that class, it was just like, mints with for sure and i mean it was when i went joined that class it was just like it was professional training and so it's obviously ridiculously out of my league class yeah yeah yeah well that's the top of the food chain and she was really the girl who's training with me

was really telling me like okay so how do you get out of this and she's like there's like thousands of ways but now we're only going to work about like this or this one. And it's just... Yeah. It was nice. It was cool to see really, really good people just training together. Yeah. It's very inspiring, right? It was really nice. And even to see George Champierre training. I was like, it's so nice to see you training in Austin, Texas.

Isn't that funny? You doing a mocking French accent is hilarious. That is hilarious. He's down here. There you guys are. John Donner, that guy's the master. That guy in the middle, that might be the best jiu-jitsu coach on the planet Earth. He's a fucking genius. You know his whole story? I do not. He was a philosophy professor at Columbia. Really? He's a PhD in philosophy. Got obsessed with Jiu Jitsu. Quit everything.

Was living at Henzo Gracie's Academy in New York City. Was sleeping on the mats. Like literally would teach all day and take a nap in between class. You'd see John Donahue in the corner over there taking a nap. Then he'd get up and teach. Teach privates, teach classes.

And it's like, without a doubt, if not the most respected, without a doubt, if not the most respected, one of the, I think he's the most respected jujitsu coach in the world. So having him move to Austin is gigantic for all of us. Like everybody's very, very excited about that. I was a move here recently.

Yeah, I talked him into it. Oh, oh, good. That's my move. Talk people into moving to Austin. I was great. It was such a humbling experience just to see those great people just training together. I was trying to soak in them as much as I could. Can you imagine any other sport? Imagine if you could go to a place and watch Michael Jordan train basketball.

That would be crazy. Right? Well, that's what George St. Pierre is like. I mean, George St. Pierre is one of the greatest of all time. You never know that talking to him, though. He's so humble. He is. He's a really talking to him though. He's so humble. He is. He's a really, really nice guy. He's so nice. He's very loved in Quebec. He's very,

very, very loved. Of course. Of course. You know, I was in the UFC in the Rogers Center. I don't even know what they call it, the Rogers Center then. I forget what it was called. But it was 60,000 people. Bell Center then. Was it the Bell Center? Probably center i think george fought i think he fought josh koshek i forget who he fought but it was bananas

when you see 60 000 people when george walked to the octagon the the roar that they got when they introduced george's, it was fucking crazy. I mean, like to this day, like I took my earphones off and I looked around. I was like, holy shit. Sometimes I do that. Like I'll take my earphones off like when someone's getting it, like cheering. Like this weekend I did it for Brandon Moreno because Brandon Moreno is from Mexico, from Tijuana. And we were in Southern California so it's like a couple hour drive and they all came up to see him so the weigh-ins on Friday would just fill

with Mexican flags and then Saturday night Brandon goes out to the octagon and when when he walks into that octagon the the roar was so loud like I don't hear it perfect with my headphones on because the headphones is just to pick up voices. So I hear a little bit of an ambient. So I had to take it off. So I took my headphones off. I was like, holy shit. It was just.

I mean. Is that George? Yes. Okay. That's 2008. Oh, no, that's a different that George? Yeah. Okay, that's 2008. Oh, no, that's a different one. That's in Montreal. Oh, so you met Montreal earlier.

No, no. Rogers Center was in Toronto. But it must be a crazy feeling. Is there something that you get also when you get on stage? Like, you know, I want to see you in Tampa in that gigantic... Arena.

Arena. And it's... It must be just insane to be cheered on by that many people. Yeah, I try to block it out. I try to block it out. It's too weird. Yeah.

Yeah. That was the revenge fight. That was when George got his revenge against Matt Serra because Matt Serra had knocked him out in probably the greatest upset of all time at that moment at least up until Juliana Pena just knocked out Amanda Nunes or strangled Amanda Nunes I think that this was the biggest upset of all time the first fight between them so this was George getting his revenge in Montreal and he just took Matt Serra very lightly for the first fight. Didn't train hard enough.

Thought he was just going to kick his ass. And then Matt Serra clipped him and hurt him and wound up stopping him. But it's just the thing about UFC that I didn't know. I've never watched UFC in my entire life. And I started kind of watching it a little bit recently. And what I got into was the fact that there's always a weird story behind there's always like rivalry and like things happening and stories and it's way more dramatic than I thought it would be well there's a lot of drama you know like when guys are beating the shit out of each other there's

a lot of drama that now that makes sense, the UFC is really good at sort of marketing the story behind these fighters and what makes it exciting, what their motivation is. It's great. I mean, every time I watch it, I cannot stop myself being like, I should train and try this shit. Really? You want to fight? You better get to it now.

I don't want to get my... Is it realistic? Probably not, but it's like, I don't know. I don't know why I get this fired up every time I watch it. I'm like, but every time I see something cool and new, I'm like, I want to try this. I want to be as best as I can at it. Well, one thing you could do for sure is jujitsu. I would recommend you doing that before I would recommend you fighting in MMA. You don't want to mess your face up too.

Yeah. No. You got a very nice face. I would think what you should do is do a jujitsu tournament you know like i would love that yeah that's what you should do like because that's like uh bourdain did that anthony bourdain did he yeah he um yeah that guy makes me sad um he uh he fought in a jiu-jitsu tournament when he was like, I think he was like 59, 58 or 59. That's crazy. Yeah, he got so into it that he wanted to compete.

And he won. Yeah, he competed and won. That's crazy. Yeah. And, you know, I don't even think he started jiu-jitsu until he was like 58. It was like somewhere in that range. So I was like, this is crazy. And watching him go from being like this party guy who just drank all the time

to being a guy who is like not eating carbs anymore. He got lean and ripped. That's him competing. So crazy. Isn't that a girl also? She became like a black belt recently. She was pretty old. Yes. her name is

betty um she's on my i put her on my instagram page because it was so crazy to see i met her at one of the uh who's number one events look at anthony bourdain ah shut this off i'm gonna get sad that's his ex-wife that one makes me sad that's a rough one he was such a good guy yeah but uh point is um he got really into jiu-jitsu later in life and one of the things that he decided he wanted to do is he wanted to work his way up to training and then competing in a tournament. So he was training like basically every day. He would do two training sessions a day.

He would have a private class for over an hour. And then he would do the group class and spar with people every fucking day. So he got good really quick. He got his blue belt in like a year, year and a half or so. Oh, wow. Yeah. and spar with people every fucking day. So he got good really quick. He got his blue belt in like a year, year and a half or so. Oh, wow. Yeah, but he was fucking obsessed. Like, I remember he sent me a message because he was in some, like, Eastern Bloc European country,

and he trained with this Carlson Gracie school. And Carlson Gracie, their team was always known as like top game, pressure, smash passing, like really brutal, old school power jujitsu. And he's like, I'm shitting out bone chips. Because he was just getting smushed by these fucking animals. You know, it's like super tough guys that were just crushing him. I mean, he's a very inspiring person

in general. Yeah, he was. Every time I'm like, okay, I'm 34. You got plenty of time. I know much. Like,

I've changed my life recently. There she is. This is this lady, Betty. And I'm like, poor Danny did this very late. She didn't start jujitsu until she was 54. 54.

That's so great. Yeah, 54. And then she just recently achieved her black belt, which is wild. How old is she now? 11 years. So she's 65 years old and she got her black belt. I mean, think how many people at 65 are just done with everything. Or even 54.

You know, they're just not interested in challenges. They're getting tired. And this lady just had the fortitude and the courage to try something completely brand new. Not just brand new, but very intimate. It's like people are trying to strangle you and you know women are grabbing your leg bringing it over your head like what the fuck and you're old you're old you know she probably has kids and shit she's like jesus christ what am i doing with myself and then 11 years later she's a black belt that's amazing that's amazing it's fascinating i

think that's it's it's too to keep trying new things and pushing yourself. It's such a great way to stay alive. It can be anything. Well, I think it's, look, we're all going to die. There's no way around it. But I think while you're alive, the way to make life interesting is to challenge yourself. And I don't mean challenge. You don't have to challenge yourself in some crazy way like you're gonna fucking climb Mount Everest in your underwear

You don't have to try to die, but what but do things that are stimulating and interesting and for this lady It was jujitsu and you know for you. It's like you decided at one point in time You didn't want to be a lawyer anymore You're gonna just figure out how to make a living off of spearfishing Which is such a crazy proposition if you were were my daughter, I'd be like, oh, Jesus Christ. I would think all the money I fucking spent for college, this bitch wants to jump in the water and stab fish with a pointy stick.

But that's for people, you know, that want to like enrich their lives. Like, how do you want to enrich your life? This is a great way to enrich your life. Go do something new. Do something challenging. And it doesn't have to be physically challenging. It could be learn to play guitar. It could be learn to paint.

Anything. Do something cool. Take a yoga class. You never taken yoga? Go take a yoga class. But do stuff that you haven't done before. That's like so good for your head. It really is. Like for me, when I started archery and I started bow hunting, it was so good for my head. It really is. Like for me, when I started archery and I started bow hunting, it was so good for my head. I remember thinking like today I shot before I came here. I spent a half an hour just practicing. I practice constantly, consistently. If you don't, you don't, you're just not accurate. And when I was shooting, I wasn't thinking about jack shit. When I'm at full draw and I'm just

thinking of that target just watch that arrow sink right into that bullseye it's so satisfying and you're not thinking about anything else you're just thinking about your form is your elbow high enough am I pulling with my back muscles is my stance correct am I torquing my wrist there's all little things. But while you're thinking of all those little things, it's like a mental release. It's like a moving meditation. It's like you're not thinking about anything else. Like all your troubles go away. And that could be anything. It doesn't have to be archery. There's a lot of things you could learn. You could be surfing. Just do stuff. Do new stuff. Don't get stagnant.

You know, when people get bored, I'm like, what are you talking about, man? Oh, I'm fucking bored. Dude, how are you bored? I wish I had 10 lives. If I had 10 lives that I could run simultaneously, I'd have 10 different careers. I would like to do 10 different things. I really would. I really would.

different things. I really would. I really would. If I could have enough time, I would just fucking immerse myself in different things. Yeah, I think that it's also you discovering

new aspect of your personality. Yes. It's like, do you ever thought that, you know, born and raised in Antoine Chual that I had a hunting instinct? Right.

I'm the shape of a stick and I was scared of my own shadow growing up. What was the first animal you hunted? Does it leeches? I salted them when I was four count. Leeches? Yeah. No, that's the hunting. You salted them? Is that what you're saying?

How do you salt a leech? Like when it gets on you? So you get it out in the water and you put salt on it and then it kind of slowly yeah maybe it was like that's torture you're a psycho that's not hunting what was the first like hunting hunting with like a gun so there was a new caledonia so that's close to fiji and that was i'd say about five years ago oh what did you uh close to fiji yeah what did you hunt uh deer it was a very cool day because we went um we went spearfishing in the morning for wahoos and we went hunting for in the afternoon so it's so awesome surf and turf day wow and i And I just remember, I was bawling like... When you shot the deer?

I don't cry. I very rarely cry. And it's, I just to see, I could see the deer tumbling down the hill and I was like, this is,

I just can't take it. And then, when I walked all the way to the deer and I saw it on the ground, I just remember putting my hand on it and I stopped i walked all the way to the deal and i saw it on the ground i just remember putting my hand on it and i stopped crying at that point and it's it's it's kind of the the emotion shifted and i just like carried it back to camp and then it was like it shifted to the me processing aspect of it and it's i've never cried after that hunting that was the first one huh

and that was the only one you ever cried at yeah i always have a feeling of loss when i when i walk up on an animal there's always a feeling of loss but uh i don't cry but remember the first one the first one i ever shot was on camera because the first animal i ever shot was on camera. Because the first animal I ever shot was on Meat Eater. I shot a mule deer. And I shot it at like, I think it was 200 yards and dropped it with a rifle. And then I had to finish it off. We walked up to it and it was still alive. Yeah, so then I had to shoot it again.

And so when I shot it again, there's a video of me taking it in it's a video of me just like going it was heavy it's heavy that's yeah that's tough because it's like that's a living creature and it's also it's oddly i hate to use this word but, but I don't have another word, psychedelic. It's oddly psychedelic. Because the moment where I was, I locked eyes with that deer. And I saw it in its natural habitat. And it was like at 100 yards when we first spotted it. And then it went around this rock formation and came came out and then it was at like 200 yards but it was this big wild animal that was in its

world and it was probably like four or five years old so it had been living in this area for its whole life and moving around and avoiding mountain lions and getting around. And, and it just, it probably didn't even know what the fuck I was like. I don't, I don't even know if it had ever seen a person. I mean,

this is Montana. It's a vast wilderness. Maybe it's seen a person before, maybe, but it might not have. And so when I like lined up to take that shot shot it's the first time you do anything is weird right but the first time you take an animal's life is really weird yeah it's pretty tough and i remember being like real nervous like my i wasn't like holding steady and i had a i had to take a

deep breath and then i had to like get back down and then boom and I dropped him and then that was a bit of a relief but then when I went up to him still alive I was like oh fuck and then I had to put it away and then when I put it away there was this weird feeling of loss this is weird feeling of it's just heavy it's just heavy and then also it's like uh i want the i knew i have responsibilities like what do i have to do like what do i do now like how do i do and then we you know took it we took the organs out of it we're pretty deep in in into the away from camp so what we decided to do was hang the uh deer because it was almost dark, hang the deer up on a tree, take the organs. We're going to cook the heart and the liver for dinner.

And so as we're cooking over this fire, I was thinking to myself, like, I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. I'm like, this is I'm eating this thing now. It is so delicious. And then later we're cooking the meat the next day. We had a bonfire and I was with Brian Callen and he shot a deer too. So we're cooking deer meat over this fire. And it was the most like primal, satisfying thing because you think of like, like I love cooking like a nice ribeye steak over a fire.'s nice it's like your barbecue it's part of like

there's some weird caveman dna that gets excited when you barbecue but when you're barbecuing over a fire from some logs that you found when you're in the woods there's no one around you for miles it's nine degrees outside and you're you're you're laying down these back straps over this little tiny grill that we brought with us that sits over the fire and you're eating this meat from an animal that you just shot and then you're all sitting around eating it's like it's the most prime it's there's like a door that opens up like hey you didn't know about this room in your brain like come on into the caveman room. And it's like, I don't mean caveman like mean.

No, not at all. It's like, wow. It's so stimulating and exciting. And I was like, well, this is definitely the best way to get meat. Like any other kind of meat that you would get from a grocery store, as delicious as it is, it doesn't come with this element. It's not a wild animal that you don't ever have to worry about being mistreated or you know factory farming there's none of that this is wild but also like it's what's what are the possible deaths of a wild animal yeah a gunshot to the head

is probably the kindest one it's the best one a gunshot is the best one or an arrow is the best one it's because otherwise they just get torn apart by predators. Eating alive, parasites. I mean, I have a very similar experience, and I was actually in South Texas. And it was very odd because it was my friend Chas who lives in Austin, and he took me with his kids hunting. So I'm with his kids, much younger than me, and they're helping me up like setting up

and everything and it's this I shot a deer I shot too quickly and it was my fault and I've been you know and I did a gut shot

which was pretty bad so of course the deer was not dead and so his son Callan is handing his dad the pistol and I'm like

no like I want to do it like I'm the one who did the bad shot so I should be the one finishing, no, I want to do it. I'm the one who did the bad shot, so I should be the one finishing this. Do you want to do this? Absolutely fucking not.

I've never done anything like that before. My stomach is in my throat at this point. I'm not feeling well at all. You know what? I'm going to do this because next time I'm pulling a trigger, I'm going to make sure that I'm careful and that I'm slow and that I'm gonna do this because next time I'm pulling a trigger I'm gonna make sure that I'm careful and that I'm slow and I'm taking my time

and so you know like I was just I remember so vividly just putting the gun on on the head of the deer and finishing it

then I was I was shaking and I was just like and when it was over I just closed my eyes and was like okay that's done and then we

got back to camp and then you're like oh like this guy is gonna take care of processing and I was like okay that's done and then we got back to camp and then you're like oh like this guy's gonna take care of processing i was like no not even a little bit and so his that island came and we together we just we cut the deal showed me how to process everything and it was it was and even then i went to bed that night and i was not feeling that great i was like this we still haven't eaten it. And then the following day, so we processed the whole thing.

It's like I went with a butcher, I cut everything you know, made like ground beef and I got a nail guy. We did sausages with a bunch of stuff and then the second and it became pure meat and then it looked like meat and then I kind of hated that night.

For me, the circle was closed. And this is when the guilt went away. So it took like a few days, but it's like the whole process of doing everything. And I would never go hunting without doing the whole thing. The whole thing. I just, I have to.

Otherwise, I'm finding hard trying out at night but also like you said it's i don't buy me in the grocery store anymore i just i just don't well it's without a doubt it's the healthiest meat you could ever get it's 100 doesn't it feel different when you eat it for sure and it's even i cook burgers for the kids this week and i did beef burgers and i did nail guy burgers and the burger pan, it was full of grease and a bunch of stuff that came out of the burgers. And the Nail Guy pan was nice, beautiful, cereal patty. Nothing was around it. Yeah.

Well, it's very lean. It's a very lean animal. But it's also so rich in protein. That's so good. Yeah, I've had Nail Guy at, there's a restaurant in town called Dai Due. And they serve Nail Guy. Nail Guy is a rare game animal in that it's an invasive species to Texas

so you can sell it in restaurants. Oh, really? That's good. So you can buy... It's pretty awesome. Yeah, you can buy a bunch of things here. They sell like types of... different types of antelope and Neil guy

and different stuff that's... Whatever is not native. You know, exotic. They call them exotics. So Neil guy, I think, is from India. I think so, too, yeah. It's a wild-looking creature. Such an interesting animal.

Well, I have Nilgai jerky if you want some. All right, nice. Thank you. Well, I have some elk jerky for you. We'll trade. Oh, okay, fine. There you go. Nice.

I have never eaten a Nilgai steak, though. I've only had a Daidue. I had Nilgai ceviche. It makes it like a raw Nilgai. Oh, I've heard. It's amazing. It's really good. Well, Jesse Griffiths, he's the head chef and the owner of Da daidue which is this amazing restaurant in austin

and he's a great guy he's been on my podcast too he's a really interesting guy i think i'm going thursday oh to daidue i think so you'll love it it's great it's really good it's really good i'm excited if he has the fish and chips it's fantastic they use uh redfish like texas redfish and it's just awesome they you know fish and chips is one of those things where it's so simple. It's just batter fried fish and French fries. But if you fucking nail it, oh, you know, and he nails everything. So when you have a guy who's a really great chef who is also knows how to hunt and process his own game. And it's like,

there's a, there's an attention to detail and a, like a, like a respect and a love that he puts into those meals. Yeah. Cause it's like, he's responsible for the actual, and there it is.

That's that fish and chips, baby. That's Dai Dua. Oh my God. That's I'm telling you. Is that recent? January 5th oh my god i might have to go down there as soon as my fucking diet's over we're gonna have some batter i just it's i mean it's it's the best way of living and then sadly it's like i don't i don't post anything

that's hunting related very rarely because if you do they'll come for you. It's so bad. I mean, social media is such a... It's a shit show. It is a shit show. It's a shit show. It has some good aspects of it, actually. It was a few years ago, I did an open invite on Instagram, and I had a bunch of people. I invited strangers off Instagram to come have a barbecue at my house.

What? And there's about 50 people that showed up I don't know how to convince my roommate of just to accept this that's more ice why would you let people know where you live I mean don't do that again it's Florida it's okay I mean it was it was it was my very really my my roommate austin was very open about this and he he said yes and honestly i made friends at that night that was it was one of best night of my life really it was just a girl who drove nine hours to come to the barbecue that bitch is crazy i wouldn't let her in i'll tell that girl she's gonna stay home and everybody just got like their special spice mix and special this and special that.

That's a cool thing about social media. There's a shit part of it, though. There's a very shit part of it. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of crazy people. But it seems like you've cultivated a nice little group of people. But still, don't do that again. My parents were not too happy.

Random wackos over for a barbecue. It's the crazy thing is like sometimes it'll work out. You know, like sometimes you just meet random people and you have the best time of your life. For sure. Yeah, it's fun. It's most people are cool. Most people are fun.

It's just most people are fun most of the time too. Sure. But I'm more worried about younger girls, you know, like people like of your daughter's generation, by example. It's how it's already so hard being a teenager in this world that if you add social media to it, it's bad. Well, what's gone up a lot is self-harm and suicide. They've gone up dramatically.

I can understand why because I've I had no friends in school I was I was bullied to a point that was bad like bad bad like I've

just school had to make me go in through the janitor's entrance because I was spit on and threw rocks at why did they bully you? for three years in a row why? I don't know i managed to pick up like piss off popular guy girl in school because a guy invited me to go to movie

and it's just like became a shit show from from from them on and it's i've i've if social media were added to that situation i i don't think I would have made it. I just don't. When you reach an age when you don't know who you are, you don't know what to do, you don't know what person you want to become,

and then it's... When you add bullying into this, it's very hard not to feel fragile by it. I really want to try to find a way to to help younger girls in that generation to try to to feel better about themselves well we have to explain to people what bullying someone online is like that it's the thing is like bullying in real life is horrible but at least you can go home at least have a break yeah these kids don't even have a break because then they go on their phone they're bullied online they're bullied all day long and

for some people it's just like it's too much and suicide is way up with girls suicide is way up self-harm is way up and there's a guy named jonathan hate and he wrote a book called the coddling of the american mind and it's all that. It's all about the impact of social media. And the ones who take it the worst are young girls. It's the worst. Social media is the worst for them for whatever reason. For sure. It's even about images. It's, you know, it's as a teenager, I was, you know, seeing hot models in a magazine and then, you know, whatever. You feel a certain way about yourself because you don't look like that. But now it's influencers and people using filters and creating this fake kind of image that people are supposed to look like.

And it's just added an extra level, I think, of hardness for young girls that are just trying to get by and reach adult life. Yeah. I'm happy I went through it because now I'm a million times stronger human being than I ever could be without that. But it's, I don't know. Yeah. Even to this day, when somebody send me an insult on social media, I'm like... You shouldn't read it. Yeah, for sure.

I definitely shouldn't read it. Do you read comments on social media? Sometimes. Yeah. It depends, but it kind of made me develop these defense mechanisms, and I'm like, well, your mommy didn't love you enough, clearly, because if you're losing your entire day insulting people online just because like it's it's kind of trying to realize that if if if you're being negative on social media it's because your life is not like

you're miserable yeah nobody's happy and be like you know what i'm going to i'm going to go and solve that bitch online today because my shit is so much together but it's also it's like people do it because it's a it's a game it's like they do it to hurt someone's feelings because it's uh for whatever reason it's fun that's what it is it's like it's not just like they're they're miserable yeah a lot of them are miserable but that's not all it is a lot of them are just having fun being assholes. And it doesn't, they don't, see the thing about social media is if you're being cruel to someone in real life, you see their face. You feel what it's like. It's like you have to be a real sociopath to be mean to someone in real life and not feel anything.

Yeah. But online, they don't feel shit because you're not even there. So they'll say horrible things about you. This fucking fucking bitch i hope she gets killed by a tuna you know and then and you're like what the fuck did i do to you yeah it's yeah the internet is definitely a funny place but also i think people need to remember that you know everybody has their shit going on in their life and you know everybody has crap happening and it's like just always remember that it's that's true but again there's crap happening the more followers you have means you're giving the right to that amount of people to have an opinion on you and in your life and

what you do yeah for sure but you shouldn't be reading that the thing is like how many followers do you have now on the instagram uh i don't like 280 280 000 i think something like that okay i want you to think about that think about how many fucking people that is how crazy that is think about like when what you saw me in tampa that was uh 14 000 people people I never thought about it like that now think of an extra 260,000 plus and those are all the people commenting on you how many of them are gonna be idiots a lot like imagine you go to a crowd right you've been to a couple comedy shows right you go to a comedy show there's always like one is heckling that's people in your comments so you're reading that person's comment. And so if you go to a comedy show like at Vulcan in Austin, it's like 270 people and we'll still have one or two idiots.

But if you go to that place in Tampa, my God, how many idiots were there? They're probably like a thousand idiots. You know, you have 14,000 people. The chances of being a thousand idiots are strong. You know, you have 14,000 people. The chances of being 1,000 idiots are strong. At least 400 idiots. That's a very good point. Yeah, they're everywhere. So, like, now think of 280,000 followers and how many of them are just broken dummies that are just, this fucking bitch, fucking bitch.

They're just dorks. That's how you have to look at it. And if you let those people affect you it's like it's not good for anybody not good for them not good for you for sure that's i mean the best advice somebody ever gave me is they told me you could be the swedish most amazing tasting peach in the world nobody's gonna like fucking peaches yeah some people don't like peaches yeah yeah i mean but that's how life is it's that's one of the cool things about people honestly not that they hate you but there's one of the cool things is the variety of tastes like

i don't get jazz i don't get it but like my friend lonzo loves it he goes on jazz cruises he does stand up on jazz cruises and he fucking loved jazz he loves it like he'll talk about jazz he's into like he'll tell you different kinds of jazz he's into i mean i don't mind if it's in the background if i go to a bar and jazz is playing that's cool but i mean if i'm gonna choose to listen to music that's not what i choose to but obviously there's a percentage of our population that likes it yeah i think it's about just just, you know, you don't like jazz. You just don't listen to it. Yeah.

But that's the cool thing is that humans vary so much. That's something that is completely uninteresting to you. Like opera. Completely uninteresting. Yeah. To someone else, it's everything. It is life. It's life.

They cannot wait for the next opera. They cannot wait to hear someone. They can't wait. They can't wait for a symphony. They can't wait for a play. They can't wait to go to a museum and see modern art, which I find at least 34% repulsive. You know what I mean?

It's like that's one of the cool things about people is how much we vary in what we like. Oh, I know all about that. I mean, it's like I fit in zero freaking boxes in life. Neither do I. Yeah. Well, it's like I get this all the time with my podcast because people get mad at this podcast

yeah i'm like hey don't listen yeah i don't want you to listen i don't want to hurt your feelings i don't want you to be upset like that shows like someone wrote some article apparently saying with just they always say toxic masculinity guess what this is what guys like to hear this is what guys like to say this is what guys like to say we like to talk shit okay you don't have to listen i get it it's not for you i get it well don't listen it's that simple to focus on what you don't like versus focusing on what you do like that's you yeah that's on you if you're there writing articles about what you don't like and focusing on what you don't like, that's your problem. It's your problem.

It's not the problem of the person who you don't like because obviously people like me. I don't know what to tell you. Somebody likes the show. So if they didn't like it, no one would listen and all the problems would go away. But you know the surefire way to have more people like it? Keep talking shit about it, you fucking idiots. Because the more you talk shit about it, the more people are going to know about it. And they're going to go, well, he's getting people really riled up.

Let me see what the fuss is all about. And then they listen and they go, hey, he's not like that at all. Like this is not like that at all. It's just like people want to have something to say about things so sometimes they'll create a narrative so they'll look at you and like this dumb bitch out there fishing and killing all the fish i hope a fucking fish eats her you know like but why are they why are they doing that that'd be a big fish right what's the biggest fish you've ever speared uh a mile. It was about 400 pounds.

Holy shit. Was it attached to a rope? Yeah. It was like... So you're holding on to him? Like an elastic. The spear's attached to a bungee, which is attached to a buoy. So the buoy, when a fish takes off, the buoy takes off.

So you knew you were going for marlin at the time? No, not at all. Wow. I was going for tuna, actually. 400 pounds. I was very scared that he would spear me back, which, you know, would have been kind of fair enough. Sort of. Yeah.

Damn, is that possible? Would he attack you? That's him? Holy shit. I was just guessing. I don't know that that's it officially. Yeah, that's it. You would know.

Holy fuck. That's a black Marlin. Fuck. That thing is huge. What does that taste like? I've never had Marlin. that's it officially. Yeah, that's it. You would know. Holy fuck. That's a black marlin. That thing is huge. What does that taste like? I've never had marlin. It's pretty good. Yeah?

It's kind of similar to swordfish. Yeah? It's awesome meat. Wow. Look at the size of that fucker. Because most of the time, they don't eat them. Why is that? They can have high level of mercury, so just like just don't heat old thing i guess

oh okay but it's it's yeah it's amazing tasting i gave away um a big part of it in mexico when i was and i took back home about 50 pounds with me do you smoke it like how do you cook it i only kept just not too too much i probably kept like 10 pounds of it, not even. So you brought 50 pounds home, so you just give away the other 40? Yeah, I actually put on my Instagram that I was giving away Marlin at the grocery store, corner of that street and that street, and I just gave away all of it. And people just showed up? Yeah.

Really? I like meeting people. Wow, that's really nice. That's very cool of you. Wow. It was fun. Nobody killed me yet, so so let's see jesus don't put that out there so when you shot this marlin how long before you could actually get it in the boat like how much time does it take after you shoot a marlin it took me about two hours so the fish basically just like took off and it was as soon as i shot it so basically i jumped like i was underwater and i saw this marlin like coming from the deep and of course i when i tried going towards it

it was swimming away so i i kind of just like turned around and looking from the corner of my eye and he just turned away because i was like what's that thing not even looking at me and he he turned around and gave me like a complete like broad shot so how far away pretty close probably from me jamie so i said that's really i don't know what's that and 15 feet to whatever you guys are using like about four meters in america land of the free home home of the brave. It's called feet, not meters. Four meters. That fucks it.

And so I was like, okay, my gun was pretty small. So I thought I can either shoot in the gills, but then I would risk to just not go all the way through it. And you really want the spear to go all the way through it. So I shot it mid-body. And the spear went through it. And I went back to the surface. Grab onto the buoy. One buoy is not a lot for a fish that's through it. And I went back to the surface. Grab onto the buoy. One buoy is not a lot for a fish that's that big.

And you just hung onto the buoy? Went for a ride? I, like, bear hugged the buoy. And I was yelling at the boat, bring me to the buoy to have a big fish on. Wow. And the boat comes, like, super quickly. And basically, it was another guy in the water. So, like, I the like take the other people out of the water making sure everything is clear meanwhile i'm like hanging onto the buoy the boat comes in throws me another buoy i'm clipping the fish is like swimming like

it's my snorkel is like with the wind and the water that thing is going and then i had a second buoy in like okay this is more pressure so now the fish is dragging an elastic rope that's like you know creating pressure two buoys and me whoa so i'm kind of waiting for it to slow down and to tie it up when i feel there's no pressure anymore so there's like a clip and then the bungee cord i like i put it up i put it up and then when the fish come close enough so i had a second smaller gun to give it like a like a last shot basically and the first seven to eight times the fish as soon as we're seeing me was going back down and i'm like oh for fuck's sakes like jesus and i keep pulling the fish up keeps

i'm like i'm not feeling good like i'm feeling so bad i puked after it has that but you so much adrenaline and you're like using all your energy. And the last time, he was just like, he had no energy left. So I managed to give a second shot. Then I brained it. Oh, in the brain? So I went back to the surface. Where do you shoot to get the brain?

So most of the time, it's basically right behind the eye. So kind of behind the top of the head and the the eye that's kind of where the fish brain is so I bled it when you brained it did it just stiffen up they just stop they kind of like you don't shake it a little bit

and and just stop moving then you just bleed it and put it back on the boat wow I didn't talk the entire way really

I was just like with my mat open and people were talking to me I was like I can't right now I don't even the entire way really? I was just like with my mat open and people were talking to me I was like I can't right now I don't even know what just happened that's so big 400 pounds is so big to shoot with a spear gun

we get back to the dock and there's a bunch of Mexicans gathering oh nice who got that and they pointed the girl in the background and I'm like me that's hilarious do who got that? And I pointed like the girl in the background. I'm like, me. That's hilarious. Do you like that? That you are like this like.

It's, it's. Thin girl that's killing these giants. Look at the size of that thing. My God. That is huge. That was a nice fish. It's so wide. Wow.

That is cool. Is that the spear that's laying on top of it there? Yeah, that's the spear, yeah. Wow. That's massive. It was so great. I was so in shock that I could barely speak. How long is it?

How long is the fish? Yeah. Don't give me meters either. Good question. It looks like it's like nine or ten feet long. Is that right? It's pretty long. Yeah, it's probably like a good, like, something like that, yeah.

Wow, that's awesome. Were you thinking at any point in time, like, oh, my God, I bit off more than I could chew? Yeah, definitely. After I showed it, I was like, oh, shit. What have I done? This is when the fun comes out. I'm going to get dragged to the bottom of the ocean hanging out of this buoy. I was like, this may be my last day, but it will be a fun one.

Have you shot anything big other than that? Is that by far the biggest thing you've ever shot? Yeah, that's by far the biggest one I ever shot. What have you shot before that's like, have you shot like a 50-pound fish? I shot like a 100-pound black tuna. So it was, I got big fish, but this was like, I was like, this fish can take me down. That's the first time that I was like, there's a possibility that I do not win this battle. I caught a tuna that was probably like 25 pounds or 30 pounds once.

In Hawaii? It wasn't that big. Yeah, in Hawaii. And it was so strong when i hooked him i was like holy shit what is this and the guy was like i think that's a tuna i think that's a tuna because he was so powerful i couldn't imagine a hundred pound one they're so strong they're like muscle if you put your hand that sounds maybe creepy but if you feel like a fish when you just got to run off the boat, it's warm inside.

It has warm body temperature. Yeah. Because they never stop moving. So a tuna doesn't stop. So if you shoot at a tuna, you would aim at the tip of the nose. Because by the time you shoot, even if the fish looks like he's not moving, he's moving. He's always in movement. Really? Yeah. So you have to lead them yeah so they're pretty big they're just like big ball of muscle

like and constant movement how fast does a spear gun go like what's the feet per second of the spear itself i have no clue you really no oh that's the difference between spear gunners and archers. You ask an archer, they'll tell you, 285 feet per second at 425 grains. I'm shooting a 70-pound point. I know how far I can shoot. Yeah? How far can you shoot? A good 25 feet. With my biggest gun, a good 25 feet.

25 feet, is it? Yeah. Well, that's super intimate. See, the way people have described it to me, they said you would love spearfishing to me. Because they said it's basically like bow hunting in the water. Yeah. Yeah. It is.

It's not like fishing. It really almost shouldn't be called spearfishing. It's not even fishing a little bit. It's water hunting. Yeah. Yeah. Because you go down, so you breed up at the surface. So you're calming your heartbeat and everything.

You're slowing everything down. And then you take a drop. And this is when the hunting starts. So you have different, you get it by ambush or curiosity. So there's different ways. It depends on the species. Different species react differently. Which species are curious?

Snapper, I guess that would be a really curious one. There's a lot of fish that can be curious. Snappers are curious? That marlin got curious. Really? Whoops. Yeah. Snappers are curious?

That's weird because they're so delicious. It really depends. And it's just, especially that's the beauty of freediving is you don't make any noises. You kind of, you still, you're just there. And it's like, when you're not good at spearfishing, normally it's because you move around and you're very jittery in the water. And this is when a fish is like, I just ate it once and I'm just going to go do my thing.

That's the same with hunting. You can't make big movements. You can look at an animal with binoculars, but if you do, you've got to go like this. If you're going to look at an elk, a binocular's got to go like this. You got to like if you're going to look at an elk, a binocular is going to go like this. Oh, wow. Yeah.

This is me slowly lifting my hands up to my head. But if you do that, you could lift those binoculars and eventually you get to here. But it takes. That's how you have to do it. You can't just go like that. They'll go, fuck this. And they can see you. Yeah.

But even if they see you, you can kind of go like this. So the movement is very slow. It's got to be very slow. They don't really mind. It's got to be very slow. They're looking out for fast twitch predator movements. So if you are holding something and you're just going like this i'm just looking through these binoculars you entered a slow dumb category well

you you enter into this category where it's like what is that the thing is looking at you like what the fuck is that tree doing over there it's almost like if it being they don't understand wind right so they see movement they might think it's like blowing in the wind. But it's not this. If you lift your binos up to your face real quick, they just fucking jet. They're like, oh, that's it. That's a person or that's a thing. That's a predator.

Okay. That's a good trick. Did I tell you about the mountain lion I saw in Utah? No. Oh, boy. I've seen mountain lions. I've seen two mountain lions before this one. One of them I saw in Colorado. One of them I saw in Montecito, which is outside of Santa Barbara in California, which is weird because it's like this beautiful suburban community. It's gorgeous.

And I see this thing that I thought was a coyote running across the road, and then I noticed its tail. It had this like flowing bouncing mountain lion tail i was like oh shit that's a cat and i was like that's a fucking mountain lion this it was wild um but it was nothing like when i saw in utah when i saw in utah was enormous the one i saw in montecito was probably like 60 pounds 70 pounds pounds, something like that, not that big. This one was 170 pounds easy. It might have been more. Oh, wow. It was huge.

It had a big old pumpkin head and giant forearms, and I was only 30 yards from it. It was really close. And we were in a truck. Luckily, we were in a truck, because if I was out on foot, I would be shitting my pants, because it was very different looking at things eyes perhaps there's two of us probably not and my buddy did have a gun with him in the truck i mean i would imagine not but fucking you never know it's like if you catch one hungry like you don't know like if a mountain lion just thinks he can get away with it, they might do it.

They've killed people for hundreds and hundreds of years. They've killed people. I mean they try not to be around people because they associate people with danger. But if you're a hiker and you're like out there by yourself in the mountain lions like there's nobody with this motherfucker they might just kill you i mean it happens it happened uh two times last year someone got killed in washington state and someone got killed in portland outside of portland by mountain lions just hiking yeah yeah just hiking. Yeah. And there was another one recently where a guy shot a mountain lion in the face.

He was bow hunting and a mountain lion was like 10 yards away from him creeping up on him. He was like, get out of here. Fuck off. Get out of here. And the thing's like looking at him and then he just like pulls out his gun

and whacks it in the face. But it's so intense. Want to see that? Find the face but it's so intense you almost see that find that video it's so it's so intense because you could see the guy shitting his pants like look at this give it go full screen and give me from the beginning you get back look at that look how close I mean that that literally might be ten feet that's's so close. Look at it. What a guy. That guy's freaking out. You get back. Back.

No. No. I just had to shoot this mountain lion. Would he have filmed that so people believe him? He pounced at me and popped it in the face. Could be. Could be. Holy shit. Well, that is.

You show that to the game ward and the game ward is going to go, okay. You all right, buddy? Like, that's not like. Because sometimes people do shoot mountain lions and they're just assholes. Yeah. Like, you know, maybe it's trying to get away. Maybe it's just looking at you and you don't have to shoot it. But that is so goddamn close.

Like, that guy had to shoot it. Just to get to that, though, wouldn't, like, do you think he had his phone already filming and then, like, it came up? It was probably closing in on him. Oh, and then he was like, I gotta. If I had to guess. Because the way it's so close to him, I mean, I think that's a juvenile. And sometimes the juvenile ones are the most dangerous

because they don't know what they can kill and what they can't kill yet. Sharks are the same. Oh, really? I'm guessing that if you posted that video, people would go crazy on it. Like, you were in the lion mountain habitat, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You shouldn't be here anyways, blah, blah, blah, blah. Those people need to go eat shit. You're in the mountain lion's neighborhood.

It's the same with sharks. When the surfers get attacked by a shark, it's a competition. Yeah. It's people like, we're losing the shark habitat. Okay. Put your mom,

who's going on a swim, and Cuba, whatever, you guys know how to go to. You can go to Cuba, can't you? Can you go to Cuba? I don't know.

I know what you're saying. Anyway, so like it's and a shark comes in. Who do you pick? Right. Mr. Like my mommy is in a shark habitat. Yeah. Come on. Come on.

That's just the thing people say. And it's usually a thing people say when they have no experience at all with wildlife. Yeah. You know, I mean, we're so insulated. That's one of the more unique things about the path that you've chosen because you were not a person who grew up hunting and fishing and living in the wild. And you chose that life. So you had to kind of integrate yourself and you had to become a part of that world and figure out the rules of that world and understand there's a lot of people that don't they don't ever understand that world but it's as as you know because it was the same situation for you right that's not you're not

yeah grew up into it and it's it's i think sometimes people kind of are not giving enough credibility to the passion you can develop when you get that. Like the story you were telling about hunting earlier, it's, you get, you can fall in love with this lifestyle. And it's just this way of living so hard, even though it was not, like I told you earlier, like as I was a kid, I was scared of my own freaking shadow growing up. It's like, you know, like I was a kid, I was scared of my own freaking shadow growing up. It's like you can barely lift a five-pounder. You change and you evolve, and that's just the way you become. And I think it's not that different, and I don't think you get less either credibility or you're allowed to love it as much as somebody who's been doing it since they were four yeah you're certainly allowed to but that's the thing about everything it's

people like to claim things as be like this is our thing this is my world this is my you know like no it's like come on life is the open-ended there's a lot of things you can do. And when someone decides to become a spearfisher person at, you know, 28 years old, like, why not? Why not? Who gives a shit? Why not? You know, whether you want to do jujitsu at 54 like that Lady Betty. Why not?

Why not? Fucking there's no rules. Just go do it. You know, don't think you're going to be, like, the like the best at it you know things take time and energy and respect that respect the people that have already put in that time and energy that's very true I mean but you can get good this lady got she got to black belt in 11 years at 54 years old that's wild it's crazy it's wild so 65 she has her black belt it's crazy it's about working dedication.

But anything that you do, and I hear that a lot from people, like, oh, no, I'm too old to try this. I'm too old. It's not even a little bit. You can try anything at any age. Yeah, that kind of talk is silly. Or like being scared of looking stupid. Yeah, they're scared of looking stupid. But looking stupid is good for you. 100%.

You have to look stupid. Yeah. Being humbled is good for you. 100%. You have to look stupid. Yeah. Being humbled is good for you. That's how you learn. And then next time you get better or eventually you get better and then you look back at that time where you sucked. One of the things that led me to excel in jiu-jitsu was thinking how badly I got abused when i was a white belt i guess i got

tortured guys beat the shit out of me and i remember thinking i can't believe how easy it is for these guys to mangle me i was not by any stretch of the imagination like an overnight success in jujitsu not by any stretch of the imagination i was a brown belt for eight fucking years so it's like when i remember my white belt days i think about it i was like that is probably one of the biggest motivating factors for me to keep going it's like i realized i was so bad i couldn't believe it because i was a really good martial artist like i was a Taekwondo champion, I had kickboxed, and I had good striking skills. So for me to just get humiliated like that, I was like, what?

Like this is crazy. I thought I would have, I thought it would be like boxing. Like when I went from Taekwondo to boxing, I wasn't good at boxing at all, but I was definitely way ahead of someone who had never done striking before. So I figured I would be like that. Like when I got into kickboxing,

I was pretty good pretty quick because I had already gotten good at kicking things and I had done some punching in Taekwondo and I'm like, I'm just going to learn some fundamentals and I'm going to excel at this. But then when I got into jujitsu, I was like, oh my God, I'm on the ground floor. Like I'm literally, I thought I was on like the fourth floor. Uh-uh. No fourth floor, bitch. You're on the ground. I'm in the basement

just getting mangled. It was humiliating. But I always remember thinking like, this is incredible because the guy who was, several people humiliated me, but I always remember this one purple belt one day just brutalized me. And I would think, like, this guy wasn't bigger than me. He wasn't stronger than me. There wasn't anything about him that was, like, physically imposing. He was just way better than me. So part of me was like, I want to be like that one day,

where when I roll with someone, I know that I'm just going to strangle them because I've gone through the gauntlet. I've gone through. But the only way you get there is by looking like an idiot. For sure. Yeah. A hundred percent. I think it works for everything.

When I picked up spearfishing, I went around the world. I went diving. We were the best spearfisher men in the world. I shut the fuck up when I listened. Yes. That's the only thing you had to do. And I was like feeling out of place. I was feeling that I was done. up when I listen. Yes. That's the only thing you had to do. And I was like feeling out of place. I was feeling that I was done.

Yeah. I suck. And that's okay. Sucking is good. It's good to ask questions. Ask questions. Yeah. There's always somebody who's going to be better than you.

So it's just like you have to learn that. And I've been raised that way. So I've been used to that since I'm a kid. Everybody takes the piss out of each other in my family it's like the biggest activities making fun of each other that's fine

I remember for my 30 year birthday I sent a photo of my mom I was in Key West and I fell off the bicycle that I rented there so I fucked up all my knee

and it's bleeding so I sent a photo and my mom was like I hurt myself thinking that she's gonna be like aww are you okay she went into the album of my childhood,

digged up a photo of me who just fell off my bicycle crying, took a photo, sent it to me and said like, looks like you haven't got much better. That's hilarious. I've been raped by a savage woman. Have you ever thought about taking your mom spearfishing? Yeah, she would be good at it. I took my sister.

Did she? And she was like going like 30 feet and being fearless and everything. And I was like, my first day I had a panic attack. And here you are like being like super good and freediving. I've taught you nothing yet. Well, maybe it's because she knows that you can do it. It's like if this bitch could do it, I could do it. Yes, that would definitely sound like my sister.

Really? Is that what it is? She always was better than me in sports, if this bitch could do it, I could do it. Yes, that would definitely sound like my sister. Really? Is that what it is? She always was better than me in sports, so I don't think it changed much. Oh, so she was, she's younger than me

and she's always been stronger and better at sport. So maybe she saw that you could do it and gave her courage to do it. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Well, there's something to be said about that. She was like, that more I can do it, for sure I can. What was your first day like when you first did it? Like,

how did you do it? Like, did someone, Did you have a friend? Yes. So I made friends in London who were super into it, and they took me. I didn't really want to go. But, yeah, I kind of have a little bit of FOMO happening here. So I was like, fine, I'll try it once because I'm going to try it with England. In London?

In London. So they were going in the ocean outside of England? So basically we flew to Egypt to take a free dive class. Egypt? And I got there and I was like, eh, it's cool. You know, I liked it. What kind of fish are in Egypt? There's no fishing.

It was just free diving. Because you have to free dive before you spear fish. Okay. Free diving is like the base. Right, of course. Otherwise it's a bit dangerous. And they're like, good, because in three months we're going to this big trip we're going to this island called ascension islands middle of nowhere three months and i'm like okay so like what is what is

spitting explain to me what we're going to do oh it's cool so we're going to like go like 100 miles away from shore and like i don know my miles. So that's probably like 20 miles away from shore. I don't know. 100 miles is like how many kilometers is that? It's a lot. What is it? What's? I'll do it the other way.

Maybe it's like 100 kilometers is really more. 100 kilometers, isn't that 60 miles? No. I literally have no idea. Yeah, 62't that 60 miles? No. I literally have no idea. Yeah, 62. Okay. 62, okay. Okay.

Okay, so we went maybe probably about like 20 miles, 30 miles away from shore. And so they explained it to me that this is going to be like about like 150 feet deep of water and I'm not going to see the bottom and I have to jump in the water

and just do drops and just like take a dive look around come back up i'm like i'm gonna do what now and like it's no i'm like just like no i'm not fucking doing that it's like yeah you'll be fine the boat is got you're gonna drift the boat is gonna follow you i'm like no it's what are you insane and i I did it. Then I just jumping in and the water was so fucking awesome. And I caught my first fish that day. And it's- What did you catch? What was it?

I got a black jack. I was like, it's not a good fish to eat in this lake. It's not? No. What's a black jack? What does it look like? It's like, it's a jack type of fish. Like a dracorval? Yeah, kind of the same family.

It's just completely black. And it's- It's not good to eat? It's not great. What does it taste like it's edible but it's it's not great it's kind of like it's just a bit it's kind of chicken that tastes a bit fishy chicken that tastes fishy yeah interesting it was odd can it be treated with like certain spices or something yeah you can you can if you make it good i mean just the fact that it was my first fish made it taste freaking awesome. Right.

But it was, so of course my friends were like, well, like you shot a fish, good for you, but now you have to bring it back to the boat. And it's, I've never had friends who've given me like hands outs, like, oh, I'm going to do this for you. I'm going to help you. And blah, blah, blah. I was always very much like. Do it for yourself. You do this for you. I'm going to help you. And blah, blah, blah. I was always very much like. Do it for yourself.

You do it. Which is good. Because now in situations when I don't know what to do. So thanks to your friends, Cameron Haynes. Yes. So I was in Alabama. I've shot a deer. Got dark.

Nobody's coming to pick me up yet because there's other people with deer. So I'm like, I've seen Cameron Haynes do that. I'm going to put that fucking deer on my back. i'm like really i'm like oh yeah so there's like little hill things i'm dragging the deer up the hill so i'm like perfect putting like the legs going down the hill so i'm like great put myself on the ground put my back on the ground with like my knees up and i'm like sliding behind it grabbing like both set of legs at each side so i'm like i'm just like carrying back to the path and then the choir's going to come pick me up. Right.

So I'm grabbing two legs. I'm like, I didn't lift a fucking thing an inch off the ground. How much did it weigh? Something like 85 pounds. That's it? 85 pounds of dead weight is a lot to carry around. I didn't live that freaking thing off, so I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, I'm cursing it in my beard.

You know what you have to do? Dragging the thing by the legs at night, holding my phone. You have to keep hammering. That's what Cam would say. Gotta keep hammering. Gotta get the guns bigger he loves carrying the heavy shit he does one workout he does

one of the ways I met him is he had YouTube videos of different ways he trained for bow hunting and that was the first time I had ever heard of anybody training for hunting I was like why is he trained for hunting I don't get it I've never done any bow hunting and I didn't understand what it was like to be in the mountains. The amount of cardiovascular energy you need and the amount of endurance you need and the amount

of physical strength you need just to carry things up the mountain. If you have to bring an animal down, if you have to pack an animal out. He had a rock that weighed like 130 pounds and he would carry it on his shoulder he put it in a backpack he would carry it a bunch of different ways and go up this mountain and he was like doing these youtube videos where he's talking while he's carrying this 135 pound rock up a mountain i was like what is this guy doing like what's this guy all about like this is weird and then i got to know him and try to understand like not having a podcast and he gave me a bow took me bow hunting it's very interesting that's how i became friends with him

well next time you can take me and you can carry me guys like you guys can just carry me in a backpack at least again just like stick my head out and just look at the landscape around don't you want to carry yourself you do you'd be upset if people were carrying you around you you want to carry yourself? You do. You'd be upset if people were carrying you around. You'd want to carry yourself. We've got to get you to more than 35 pounds of pull. When you pull 35 pounds back, is it hard? I could pull up to 45. I can pull back.

Did you do 45? I did 45. It's 50. I was like 50. I'm just like. A lot of it's technique, though, because you're not pulling just with this one arm. You're pushing and pulling at the same time.

So 50 is really only 25. Because it's 25 pounds of pull, 25 pounds of push. And it's a small window because it's a cam. So as the cam rotates over, it gets easier. So as you're right here, then it's 50. But then it goes like this. Boom. Yeah.

And then it's easy. 50 was... We got to help you with your technique, though. Your technique. Tyler told me to keep 35 for a little while just to get my technique really dialed in and get really good at it. Did you shoot at his range? Yeah.

The range they have at Archery Country? That's nice. Beautiful. I had a really good time. It's a fun thing to do, right? It is very fun. Even if you don't ever plan on hunting, it's a very fun thing to do. Yeah, I really found myself falling in love with the whole hunting thing.

It was kind of a natural progression of spearfishing anyways. Yes, totally. Seems to me. I like the idea of being self-sufficient just in general. I don't like being dependent on anybody. The thing about hunting though. Probably why I'm cooking 34 seconds. That might be one of the reasons.

But like a rifle though, when you get a rest, all you have to do is just keep your shit together and boom! Rifles are the best. I love hunting with rifles. If you want to shoot something and you want to kill it and eat it, rifles are the best. That i love hunting with rifles if you want to shoot something and you want to kill it and eat it rifles are the best that's the way to go the thing about a bow is it's like it's more challenging it's a different thing but i shot a pig this year with a rifle it was awesome i loved it i think also you need to know what you're doing so a lot of people are

like why do you go into bow hunting i'm like firstly it's it's if i'm gonna shoot something with a rifle i'm gonna probably hurt it if i take my time if i'm like firstly it's it's if i'm gonna shoot something with a rifle i'm gonna probably hurt it enough if i take my time if i'm hunting something with a bow the chance of me hurting it and the thing suffering for a very long time is probably very high it is very high with you have a 35 pound bow you know in a lot of places you're not even legally allowed to hunt with a 35 pound bow okay i don't know if that's the case in Texas, but there's many states where I think the limit for a lot of states is 45 pounds. Because the idea is like you're not going to get enough energy

to go through rib cages and stuff like that and hit vital organs. I could do 45 now. I just want to be good at 35, then move up my way through the food chain. Well, listen, when you're in Florida, just find a trainer. Just start doing some rows. Just start doing something where you, you know, like cable rows are the best. Because here's the thing with cable rows, Cam does these. You could take a weight, like a 25-pound dumbbell or a 10-pound dumbbell, whatever,

and just hold it straight out like this, and then grab a cable, like a cable machine, and pull back like that, and just hold it straight out like this and then grab a cable like a cable machine and pull back like that and just practice pulling back and you'll develop all those muscles that you use to pull back a bow yeah i think a training plan is probably a good thing i like i like training for shit like i like like i have having a goal and like tell me try to do that like you got to get after it now though because you Because you have, right now, we're almost February. So you have nine months. Nine months to October. And you guys are going to hunt, where did you say, Alaska? I think so.

What are you hunting in Alaska? Elk. Elk in Alaska. Interesting. Donnie Vincent knows his shit. That'll be good for you good I don't know him it's for a documentary so it's

oh you haven't met him yet no I haven't met him he's great great guy very smart was a wildlife biologist he had a great story on the podcast

I did with him about wolves it's really interesting yeah but he's had this like super cool badass photo where he's like

carrying a mountain lion actually yeah he shot a mountain lion. Which are delicious, by the way. Two people who delusioned me into thinking I could carry my deer back to camp. Donnie Vincent's a big, brawny man. Big, handsome, scrappy man. He's got a great image, too.

He just looks good. He's a good-looking guy. Oh, he's handsome. He's got the flowing white hair. He's got the fucking wool hat on. He's looks good. He's a good looking guy. Oh, he's handsome. He's got the flowing white hair and it's like, he's got the fucking wool hat on. He's so handsome. But he's also, he's interesting. He's an interesting character.

He's a very smart guy and a guy who really deeply respects wildlife too. He makes a lot, he's got a weird path. And unfortunately, I don't think the path is the best way. Like he has, he makes these movies and you have to pay on Vimeo to watch the movie. But this is the internet, son. You know, I try to, I mean, I can only give so much advice, but my advice is always make shit free. It's hard to get people to pay for stuff. They don't want to pay for shit. it's hard to get people to pay for stuff they don't want to pay for shit

if you want to keep your audience small this podcast might get to a point where I might put up a paywall just so nobody listens just get to a point where just like you know you could sort of like

slide into obscurity you could slide away you know is that your retirement plan? yeah that's my retirement plan put up a paywall slide into obscurity. You could slide away. You know? Is that your retirement plan? Yeah, that's my retirement plan. Put up a paywall and then, you know, donate a lot of money to charity so people don't get mad at me

about the money. You know, but just to make it so that it's harder to get. But it's good to have people that know what they're doing and that are very knowledgeable because you know

that it's Spiffisher man or hunter i think we have a very big reputation of being a bunch of dumb asses just like to kill stuff yeah that's not true you know it's hard to do but it's like everything else like jujitsu like a lot you know if you asked the average person like what is uh jujitsu about they're like oh a bunch of idiots choking each other but then you meet people like you know, really brilliant jujitsu people. Like John Donaher, the guy who's a fucking, one of the most brilliant people I've ever talked to in my life. And he's a jujitsu professor. Like these people that are looking at it from the outside, they just, it's an honest mistake.

It's a normal mistake. But it's the same thing with hunting. It's the same thing with everything. You think it's easier than it is. You think it's simpler than it is. Human beings are complex. And all the different things that we do, all the different things that we do, whether it's race car driving or ballet or yoga, they're harder than you think they are. All those things, do you wanna get good at something? It's hard, you wanna be a good poet? It's hard, you wanna write songs? It's hard.

You wanna do stand up comedy? It's fucking hard, all these things are hard. Everything's hard, everything worth doing is hard. And that's okay too, it's okay to be, but it's like this dismissal of it, you know like, oh these fucking people, they're just idiots who like to kill things. Are there people like that out there yes there are just like are there people that uh you know

they're painters and they suck yeah of course because it's there's a limited you know like the the barrier to entry for fishing is very easy go buy a fishing license go get a rod get some hooks get some line get some bait or get some lures and figure it out go do it it's the barrier to entry so any moron

like remember our story about the 14,000 people in the arena how many of those people are morons like hundreds right so that's the same thing

with fishing it's with everything else with hunting with everything else like if you look at the moron that goes hunting and say oh that's what a hunter is or the moron that does jujitsu or the 14 year old girl punched you in the face and you go that's whatever they're all just all punching each other in the face now

that's that's rare that's a that's a young child that's part of it someone doesn't have control that's part of it they don't understand yet that's part of it but there's a wide variety but the thing is if you see like george saint pierre training you go oh wow this is wild you get to see it at a super high level and all the exchanges and all the positions and all the different transitions that they're going through you go oh this is complex yeah yeah very complex like i said i've been doing it forever and i still watch new things that people do and i'll go oh how did he do that like i'll show you i have a bunch saved on my phone well i'll go over them and i'll go oh look at that and then i'll think can i do that

i don't even know how to get my fucking leg up there like that it's it's cool it's i think there's a stigma too about the fact that it's when you know what society often doesn't understand it's easy to critique in a way and it's it's it's easier for people to understand a vegan who says i love animals and i don't want to eat it then that's a better it's a statement that's it's easier to understand that like yeah i go out there i train i i actually harvest like protein then i bring it back home i bet if that vegan was staring down one of those grizzly bears in wyoming or that mountain lion that that guy shot i think they'd have a completely different thought about what wildlife is for sure you would look at that demon

what's looking at you in the eye like this just thinking of eating you but it's it's it's all bush in indian because it's it's you know if you look at beyond me by example you know like when that sea spirit sea spirit sea what is it sea spirit, sea spirit, sea. What is it? Sea spirit, sea. Sea spirit, sea. Can you just imagine me speaking French, how bad I would be at it. So feel free to mock me. So basically like when I came out, I got really pissed and I was like, yeah, I'm going to do some digging because like this is an outrage to freaking people been dedicating their lives to sustainable. Not me, but like people are underpaid

undervalued everything you can think of and you know Beyond Meat by example or even the fake shrimp they're promoting

at the end of the of the documentary they have fake shrimp? oh yeah so they promote for 15 minutes talking about

they made up this vegan fake shrimp and like people should buy it it's made by it's made with palm oil that shit's so bad for you first of all

and then guess who's the lead investor in the company the people who made the documentary Tyson Meat oh Tyson Meat was also

one of the biggest investors are you saying Tyson Meats is that what you're saying do you understand what she's saying I kind of get it Tyson Meats Tyson Meats that's what she saying? Kind of get it? Tyson Meats.

Tyson Meats. That's what she's going to say. She's going to say Tyson Meats. But it's crazy. It's like now the meat industry is actually funding the vegan stuff. Of course they are. They're trying to make money. They're trying to get paid.

It's insane to me. If the pharmaceutical companies could sell weed, they would sell weed. Don't they do that in Canada? I don't think they do. They probably do. Yeah, I mean they're trying to make money they're companies

that try to make money you know I mean I get it it's just that the reality is those processed seed oils are fucking terrible for you

they're terrible for you if you want to be a vegan you should eat vegetables for sure and stop making them look like cheeseburgers just get the fuck out of here you should grow them too

god that looks like rat turds. That looks awful. That looks so bad. That looks like a bloody rat turd. It says, that can't be good. It can't be good for you if it's filled with palm oils and shit. It's because you have to do a lot of weird processed stuff to make a lot of those fake vegan foods.

But if you want to make Indian food,, you know, like there was a great vegetarian restaurant near my house in California that was an Indian place. And I mean, it was fucking straight from India. Like these people were, you know, they spoke Indian. They all have, or what is it?

Hindi? I think it's feudalic. Feudalics? I think so. Either way, they spoke whatever they speak in India. And they had, I mean, I think it was feudalics feudalics either way they spoke whatever they speak in India

and they had I mean there was everyone there that was eating there was Indian they were just Indian immigrants

and so I would go there and I didn't even know what the stuff was I'd just pick up pick that one that one looks good I'll have something

that's like a cafeteria style and you just point to what you'd like and they make you a plate it was amazing but it was all like, you know, lentils and curry and it wasn't fake chicken or a fake shrimp or a fake cheeseburger. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense. And it was healthy. It's healthy vegetarian food. Like you can eat healthy

vegetarian food. There's a lot of it, know but it's like it's beans and rice and different ways of preparing it that tastes delicious there's a lot of cultures that excel in making vegetarian dishes but we've got this weird thing where people are trying to trick people into like fake stuff yeah but crazy but when you're eating that you're gonna feel like shit that's why their their stock has plummeted their shit. That's why their stock has plummeted. Let me make sure that's true. What? The stock has plummeted for Beyond Meat.

I think they started out of the gate really strong. I don't think they're doing so good right now. There was a photo of when the hurricane was hitting, and they showed these shelves in Louisiana where all the meat was gone, but all the Beyond Meat was still sitting there. It's definitely way lower over the year. Yeah, because people tried it. All my friends who are vegans are like,

you gotta try it. It's really amazing. It tastes exactly like a cheeseburger. I'm like, fuck you. It does not. It does not. It just doesn't. It might taste like a cheeseburger

if you get Thousand Island dressing on it and pickles and onions and you put it in a bun and you're confused by all the corresponding flavors yeah but if you cut me a piece of cheese burgers because i when i eat cheeseburgers most of the time i don't eat bread i just eat i take the bread off and i just eat yeah that's how i eat it so when you eat like that you know you know what it's meat. I'm not getting tricked.

If I eat your bullshit soybean oil fucking canola seed oil burger plant lettuce tomato. Fuck off. Fuck off McDonald's. I'm not coming to you for health McDonald's. I'm coming to you because I hate myself. I'm coming to you

for horrible food at 1.30 in the morning when I'm starving and I'm coming home from a comedy club or something. I'm eating filet-o-fishes. Or if I'm really getting crazy, I'm eating... I had a quarter pounder. Fish filet? Filet-o-fish?

How is it? It's good. It's good fish. Is it really fish? Yeah, it's really fish. I didn't even think it was fish. It's really fish and it's actually, it's good fish. Is it really fish? Yeah, it's really fish. I didn't even think it was fish. It's really fish and it's actually sustainably caught. Brilliant. Really? Yeah.

What do they catch? What is it? Cod, I think. Cod? I think so. I don't remember. No, pollock. Pollock.

It has to be pollock. Really? It's sustainable. It is sustainable. How is it sustainable? What's in our filet-o-fish? Okay. It says filet-o-fish sandwich is made with 100% wild-caught Alaskan pollock.

So it's certified by DMSE. Healthy as fuck, son. That's what it is. Told you. What's the new one there? What do you mean? There's a new one. What is that?

What's that big fat one? It's a homemade one. Someone, I think, made a YouTube video to say, like, I can make a Filet-O-Fish. That looks way better. Their homemade one was goddamn delicious. I'm all in. But I had a quarter pounder with cheese recently.

Not recently, like six months ago. And it was sweet. I was eating it. I was like, there's like sugar in this goddamn thing. I was just going to ask

if you guys had heard of, because I worked at a restaurant that served imitation crab meat, but this was a long time ago, so it couldn't have been plant-based. Oh, lettuce. No, lettuce, sushi. No, it's not.

It's fish. Yeah, it's pollock, apparently. It's a type of fish. I just kind of looked it up. It's brown and it looks like shit. Same kind of fish. Is it pollock? That's what it said.

I looked it up. Not all imitation crab meat is, but- Does pollock taste good on its own, or do they have to fuck with it? I don't know the name in French. I don't know the name in English. It's a brown, ugly fish. What's the name in French? Caberge know the name in English. It's a brown ugly fish. What's the name in French? Queberge.

Queberge. Does that sound good? Does that sound like you doing it? You're a shit of French. I'm terrible. I'm terrible. How do you say terrible in French? Terrible.

Terrible. I'm terrible. That's what I would do. If I spoke French, I would just go way overboard. Terrible. Terrible. I'm terrible. That's what I would do. If I spoke French, I would just go way overboard. Terrible. Terrible. You can add your shift there to teach you how to speak English. I couldn't imagine.

That would be the wildest thing to do. Move to another country and learn their language. Like move to France and learn French. I was 22 when I moved to London and I didn't speak English. What? I was so bad. That's incredible. It's very close to garbage but it's not.

Goberge d'Alaska. Alaska Pollock. How do you say it? Say it again. Goberge. Goberge. D'Alaska. How do you say d'Alaska? D'Alaska. Oh, you say an L and then ask Alaska. Yes. You fuck it up.

So it's like it's Pollock from the Alaska. You know that is an American name. You should say it the way we say it. Don't be rude. It's disrespectful. Goberge. Lelushka. Goberge.

You're rude. You're ruining our word because our word sounds better when you say Alaska. Don't you understand? That's fine. Okay. So I will never call you Joseph from now on, right? Joseph. Joseph.

Call me Joseph-y. But you guys say France. We don't say France. France. We don't say France. We say France. France. French France. We don't say France. We say France. France. French fries.

Remember when after 9-11 we started calling them freedom fries? People got upset. Freedom fries. France didn't support the United States for some reason, so all the knuckleheads started calling French fries freedom fries. These are freedom fries. It was one of the dumbest things about being an American. There's something adorable

about real stupidity. Like real patriotic stupidity where it's like it's so dumb. These are fucking freedom fries. No, they're french fries. They've been french fries our whole life, Bob. You can't change the name now because someone who's a politician in France made a choice

that you don't agree with. It's a fucking french fry, okay? I don't even dare making jokes about this. Oh, yeah. I live in Florida, too. Is Montreal still locked down or do they open things back up? There's a curfew. There's a 10 p.m. curfew.

10 p.m. curfew still. Still. Does the coronavirus go home until 10 p.m. and then it comes out? Yeah. I mean, the same as it doesn't exist when you sit down. It only lives below like five foot up. Yeah. When you sit down at a restaurant, it goes away.

You know, CNN is now saying that the fucking masks don't do anything. I've been saying this forever. I'm like, how are you breathing? You're breathing in air. Air is getting in the sides. masks don't do anything. I've been saying this forever. I'm like, how are you breathing? You're breathing in air. Air's getting in the sides. It can't be working. It's a tough situation. The healthcare system has been a freaking shit show

for so many years. And now people are paying for it. So it has, yeah, it's bad. Yeah, it's bad. The healthcare system is terrible. But it's also, people are so scared. They're so terrified. There's so many wacky fucking people out there

that are just running around like a chicken with their head cut off. Well, they created this whole... So there's been like a very strong media campaign for the last two years that it's basically there's two groups of people. Either you're a caring person who's smart, who knows what's good. Right. Or you're a caring person who's smart who knows what's good right

or your conspiracy's dumbass who's like selfish and a piece of shit piece of shit and there's like there's no in between right so it's the second it it's sad because i had a fight with my own dad and i was i was he was like well what do you what now you live in the states and like well you became like a trumpist i'm I was like, what are you talking about? Because I'm against the lockdown? Because I don't like it. I'm like, what? I was like, what is wrong with you?

I just don't understand the logic behind a 10 p.m. curfew. I don't understand the lockdown. It doesn't make any sense, especially in a place where everyone's vaccinated. Everyone has to be vaccinated up there. There's 80% vaccination rate. So does it work so if it does work why does everybody have to stay home like what are you doing this doesn't make sense it's not a logical approach is there a risk yes there's a risk there's a way to mitigate

that risk and they're trying to like figure out a way and their way is to tell people to stay home but that's fucked because then who's gonna pay the bills that those restaurants have who's gonna hire all those people when their business goes under like what do you're gonna fuck your economy up like understand this you gotta let people take their own risks we're two years into this thing this is not a new thing this is a thing that's two years old now we're january of 2022 come on like enough already i felt i feel so bad for for for a lot of people and it's i i i understand the concept i understand that hospitals are overwhelmed like i i get it i get that you don't have beds i i know friends with cancer that haven't been able to get treatments in over two years because there's no

room for them. Well, you've got some wacky fucking socialized medicine up there, too. My friend Jen, she had to wait a whole year before she could get her knee surgery up there. She was walking with a horrible limp for a whole year. There's upsides and downsides, I guess. Yeah, sure. The upsides is

you get to treat it for free. It's great. I feel terrible saying this. I feel absolutely awful saying this. But if I had a serious disease and my life was in danger, I would leave. You wouldn't go to Alaska. I would not. No. America.

I may go to Alaska. Land of the free. Home of the brave. But the problem is that I would be I would I would be in debt for the rest of my life yeah well you could crowdfund it true I can crowdfund it

have a little barbecue at your house and go fund me well listen my friend let's wrap this up I gotta get out of here but tell people your social media

where they can find you so you can follow me on valentinetombas on Instagram and also if you suffer from stress and anxiety So you can follow me on ValentineThomas on Instagram. And also, if you suffer from stress and anxiety or insomnia or any of that stuff, I just launched today a breathwork company.

Breathwork. Am I saying this right? Breathwork. Breathwork. Breathwork. Pretty good. Say Alaska again. Alaska. Yes.

Good job. Okay. This is your superhuman. Yes. The superhuman's co. Alaska. Yes. Good job. Okay. This is your superhuman. Yes. The superhuman co and it's. Breathwork exercises. So you have breath hold training for just free dive and spearfishing and just breath hold again, stress and anxiety.

I had anxiety since I was 18. I don't have it anymore. And you've broken through with breathwork? Yes. So basically, the company is called Superhumans and we have super calm, super sleep, super mind, and super hold and different type of breathing exercises because, as you know, breathwork is so freaking powerful, right?

It can help you. Compared to like Wernhoff, there's a lot of like boosting your immune system and boost adrenaline do a lot of the opposite so it's breathing to sleep better to control like you stress in everyday life and like holding your breath you shouldn't happen hyperventilate to hold your breath like never do that especially if you're on the water it's the most dangerous thing you can ever do so um yeah it's it's really great and it's there's also so super mind is about breathing to be focused and i think in ufc you see that a um yeah it's it's really great and it's there's also so super mind is about breathing to be focused and i think in ufc you see that a lot right it's how do you like the way you breathe

before you you would enter the hexagon by example you want to be focused but you want to be calm the same time and it's this whole yeah that's very very powerful thing and so that's superhuman co yeah and it's not about the snow it's counting down to science-based? Yeah. And it's not about the snow. It's counting down to science-based. It's not about chakras and things like that. No crystals? No crystals. All right, my friend. Well, thank you very much for coming.

I appreciate you. Oh, and then this documentary you're filming with Donnie Vincent, that'll be available? That's going to be a long time, yeah. My fantastic cookbook will be out before that. Okay, well, when your cookbook comes out and then that comes out, come back on. We'll talk available that's gonna be a long time yeah my fantastic cookbook will be out before that okay well when your cookbook comes out and then that comes out come back on

we'll talk about that and hopefully your English should be better I'll probably never well I mean let's see about your French it's terrible so the next podcast

is gonna be in French toujé alright thank you thank you for having me bye everybody my pleasure bye Bye, everybody. My pleasure. Bye.