The Joe Rogan Experience - #1805 - Mike Tyson

Episode Date: April 15, 2022

Mike Tyson is the former undisputed heavyweight boxing champion of the world and host of the “Hotboxin’ with Mike Tyson” podcast.  http://www.miketyson.com/ http://www.hotboxinpodcast.com/

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No. Don't wait for nobody. What was it like fighting again after all those years? Hey, listen. I did this toe, this DMT stuff. And I lost that weight, and I said, I don't know what happened. I didn't know what happened. I said, I'm going to do this. Well, it's funny because you talked to me on the podcast before.

The first time you came on and you said, I can't even work out. Yes, yes. Because if I work out, my ego will get excited. But I did this Toad, and this Toad, I said, you got to do it. I said, you have to do it. The Toad told you. You have to do it. The DMT told you time to fight.

You have to do it. Because I lost the weight. And it started off with me at first fighting Bob Sapp at first. That's right. The K-1 event. I was there for that. I was there live. No, but I mean, I was going to fight him.

I was going to be the first fight. You got in the ring with him. You said Marcus Queensberry rules. Yeah, but listen. The fight I fought with Roy Jones was supposed to be with Bob Sapp. Oh, really? Oh, no kidding. Hell yeah.

I wouldn't have to chase this guy all around. So the next thing you know, Roy Jones got involved, and other fighters, Holyfield got involved, and then it turned into a fiasco. And then the young guy, Jake Paul, he got involved then. And that's how the birth of Jake Paul began. When you get challenged by someone who's a guy like a Jake Paul, does that piss you off?

Not at all. Is there part of it that's just like... No, it doesn't. No? I think it's awesome. You think it's awesome? Yeah, it's going to piss me off. I think it's cool.

You think it's cool? That's awesome. That's awesome that you handle it's cool. You think it's cool? That's awesome. That's awesome that you handle it that way. Because, like, in a way, I mean, it's kind of insulting. It's brave. It's bold of him. But it's also, it's like, Jesus Christ, there's levels to this world. Let me know what I found out.

This gentleman, he was a mayor in this town in the Midwest, and I talked to him before, and he was one of those stern guys. He always got the bills paid. He always got your lights on. He always got everything right and perfect, but he didn't have a good personality. And he almost lost to a guy that didn't do anything. He shit on people's taxes.

But he hung out with the people. He smoked cigarettes with them. He drank with them. He ate with them But he hung out with the people. He smoked cigarettes with them. He drank with them. He ate with them. He'd hang on their porch with them. Yeah. And that's when you learn you can't take yourself too serious. Right.

I mean, the world will turn on you if you take yourself too serious. Who the hell am I to take myself too serious? Made all this money, got this reputation, and now I'm looking at people screw-facing them now. Right. I have a great life. How am I going to be mad at somebody, really, when you think about it? When my ego is not involved, how can I really be mad at somebody? That's beautiful.

That's a beautiful attitude, and you're so right because there's so many people that are so concentrating on succeeding and doing great things. That was me. I just wanted to win so bad. I wanted to be somebody so bad it wasn't even funny. And you forget what life is about. Life is about, thank you, life is enjoying moments.

Life is a balance and your legacy is not what you accomplish. It's what your children say about you at the end of the day. They know who you are. They know what you're hiding that you don't want no one else to see. I'm sure you are a fan of Miyamoto Musashi. I'm sure. Tell me about the Japanese warrior. Book of Five Rings.

Yes. He was all about balance. That was his whole thing. He's like a samurai has to be an artist. You have to be able to do calligraphy. You have to be able to paint. You have to be able to write poetry. Yes.

He felt like if you had any imbalance, like if you were too aggressive or too peaceful, any imbalance was dangerous. He's like, you had to be perfectly centered. So you had to be a person who understood all things. You had to stick to your work, everything. That's true, but everybody can't express themselves being centered. People have to be totally insane to express themselves, or totally introverted to express themselves.

And I don't know why it's like that. I think he's talking about it from a point of fighting with swords. Self-control. Yeah. Most fighters, our main problem is self-control. That's our main problem. For sure. Yes.

Yeah. And it gets worse as you get more successful and more destructive and more, you know, you're a conqueror. You're the fucking guy in Sports Illustrated. You're the fucking man. I mean, it's just when you're a guy who's in a position like you were in when you were 20 years old. Like I've had this conversation with many people. Like, do you understand the kind of self-control it would take to be the baddest man on the planet and you're only 20? Yeah, it takes a lot of self-control.

It's crazy. It's a crazy position to be in so like imbalance at that point your life was almost impossible like to be like it wasn't no balance it was strict fighting no girl she's strict it's too much this this was this but that was bad oh god fuck I can't make that happening I got spawned do better tomorrow hmm that was bad okay I gotta move my head my guy that happen I got spawn do better tomorrow hmm. That was bad. Okay. I got move my head My guy hit today. I got a black eye. Oh God, but cuz it'll be mad at me If you see me do this if you see me get hit it was just everything was on being perfect

Do you think that that's what it takes to make someone who is as good as you as young as you you have to be? completely obsessed Me my guys and I'm obsessed mentality type of person. And at that point in time, I mean, to achieve what you achieved so quickly too, you know, like you met Cuss when you were like what, 13? 12. 12. So from 12 to 20, I mean that's wild, that's a wild ride.

Well 12 to 19, he died when I was 19, but the fact is that I put so much of myself into boxing my emotions and everything. That was magnificent. That was great. But then when I came to life, it was disastrous. Imagine being the guy that's just so always in the person's face.

Hey, baby, I love you. Hey, what's this? Hey, what's this? I'm just that manic type of person. With everything. I love you. Hey, hey, what's up? Hey, hey, what's up? And I'm just that manic type of person. With everything. Yeah. Yeah. I love you, but he's going to stop. Hey, what'd I do?

Hey, stop. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I'm going to do it again. Oh, man. Oh, God. You know Neil Brennan? Neil Brennan, the comedian.

Very funny comedian, but he has a funny joke about football players. Football players are getting violent altercations. He goes, he just did football outside of football. That's all it is. He gets paid to do football. Like dudes who like crash into people on a regular basis and tackle people. He's getting paid to do that. He just did football when it wasn't, you know.

No, he did it illegally. Yes, he did it illegally. He did football when it wasn't time to do football. Yes, exactly. I did boxing when it wasn't time to do boxing. When, exactly. I did boxing when it wasn't time to do boxing. Exactly. When it was out of season. Yeah, it was out of season.

Sometimes we do our sports when it's out of season and we get in trouble. But those things added to your mystique. Like when you got in that fight with Mitch Bloodgreen in some, was it? Dapper Dan. Dapper Dan, yeah. Dapper Dan's. And that was like, that added to your mystique. Like when you crashed your car, gave it to that was like, that added to your mystique.

Like, when you crashed your car, gave it to the cops. Like, that added to your mystique. It was just wild, impulsive shit. But it's like, almost like that's what people want from the greatest boxer on the planet. You know what I mean? No. They want just chaos. It's part of the fun ride. I was a nobody that wanted to be somebody so bad.

That's what it was. But you, and you were, quickly. And did you have a, I mean, obviously you were supremely confident. But did you ever have moments where you couldn't even believe it was real? Right now. I'm waiting for somebody to say, get up, nigga, and go back to that cell. Right there. Oh, my God.

Ain't that. Yeah, there's no getting used to some things. There's just God. Ain't that. Yeah, there's no getting used to some things. There's just no getting used to it. You know, but how do you get used to really, how do you really get used to understanding yourself when everyone tells you you're degraded? Right. That's what the gentleman was talking about, the five rings.

How do you acknowledge yourself? Yeah. He wanted, I mean, you obviously were the greatest, but there's almost like a samurai way of looking at it where you acknowledge it, but you don't think about it. You know, and I don't know, I don't know who the fuck is capable of doing that, and no one's capable of doing that at 20.

In order to be in the master, you have to be the idiot first. Right. You can't be the master without being the idiot. You can't be a master, you have to be the idiot first. Right. You can't be the master without being the idiot. You can't be a master and become a master. You have to make the mistakes to become a master. 100%. You have to be a fool. If you're not a fool,

you're not learning. Hell, you have to be a fool. You have to be a fool to even think you want to reach that level. Yeah. You have to be a fool. And, you know, it's a funny thing because a lot of people are scared of trying anything new. Skiing, anything. Anything they've never done.

Ice skating. People are afraid. Because you think about the early times when you're learning something, you're fucking terrible at it. There's nothing more terrifying than being terrible at fighting. And you're learning fighting around people that are really good at it. And if you enter into that realm, you have to be a really courageous person to be a beginner in fighting. Listen, you always benefit from fighting because people who don't fight well

teach people to fight well. That's normally how it goes. You never hear no great legendary fighter being a great trainer. It's very, very, it's probably 1%. Like Emmanuel Stewart is a great example, right? Exactly. Emmanuel Stewart is not a guy that people knew as a great heavyweight fighter. But my God, what a fucking trainer he was.

That's what happens when you don't fight, you teach. In everything. There's some guys that are, but like Freddie Roach was a good fighter. And Freddie Roach is an amazing coach. There's exceptions, right? They're very 1%, though. Right. Exceptions so small.

It's interesting. Everybody has their role, right? They're very 1% though. Right. Exceptions so small. It's interesting, everybody has their role, right? What do you think of these fighters, guys like me, don't you think we have a little bit too much self-centered to really get involved with somebody? Yeah, it's totally possible. If they don't pick it up quickly, we lose our interest because they think they should be like us or they should be dedicated like us,

they should stop fucking eating, losing weight when they don't need to lose weight. Right, right, right, right. That crazy stuff. Yeah, totally. I could imagine that it would be just you wouldn't be interested. Because you're still working. It's like a great man who is a great fighter at one point in his time stops thinking about himself. You're always working on yourself.

Constantly. Listen, if you know who you are at this stage of your life, then you're very limited. Right. If I know who I am at this stage, what, 55 years old, and I know who I am, who I'm never going to, this is never going to change. Right. This is who I am right now. I'm going to be a very limited person.

Yeah. You know, every day of our life we change without even knowing. Absolutely. Without even knowing we change. That's at every age, right? That's at 12. That's at 35 age, right? That's at 12. That's at 35. We're growing.

We're on work in progress. I noticed the older I get, the closer I am to my past. I started meeting people when I was 7 years old, 8 years old. Now I'm 55. I became world champion. They won 25 or 50 Grammys or platinum albums or something. And we just went on a different world. But we came from that little, that brilliant little cesspool.

Also, they probably also can relate to you because they can't believe their life is real either. No, they tell me that too, yeah. Everybody says that. They all say they have like imposter syndrome. Yeah. Except Dave Chappelle. I think Dave Chappelle is just supposed to be here. Dave Chappelle doesn't have any like before shows he's the coolest cucumber I've ever seen before a show he just is relaxed just relaxed listen to

like Nina Simone music and he just goes out and does his thing everyone everyone um I don't care who you are hey one focus on who they are you know yes everyone does. We're all we have to think about. We think about we are all we really have to think about besides our children. And even though we have children, we're a center of our attention. And the great coaches find those people and make them better. Exactly.

You have to bring it out of them. Yeah, but you have to have one of those people. No one could ignite me in a custom model. It's totally different. It's just different, it was so emotional involved. Do you think it would be possible if you met a young man that reminded you of yourself when you were his age and that would excite you to train him?

Like if he was so excited about it and so dedicated and driven and talented and you you felt like he would do everything You told him to do and he would listen to you Listen, you know how special you have to be to be a trainer. That's what I'm saying. Okay great you are the fighter I don't care great you are the skier, but not great. You have to be to be a trainer Mmm, you have to be it takes more to be a great trainer than to be a great fighter do you think it's because a great trainer has to be able to teach all kinds of styles no a great fit styles have nothing to do with the morale behind the style the morale behind the style but you know imagine if you have the greatest style but not the great um determination and

you know i mean and they don't inspire you. Yeah, you ain't going to be nothing. So when you have a relationship like yours with Cuss, when you're 13 years old, that's the magic relationship in boxing. When people talk about the mentor. Your mentor is everything. Your job is to make your mentor happy. Right.

If you do that, you accomplish your job. The way you did it, man, it's like it's one of those stories like a movie story. It really is. It's like if you saw your life, if your life wasn't a real life and somebody wrote it in a movie, I'd be like, ah, a little too much. No, they don't know how mean we are. We were mean, baby. We wanted that belt. Yeah.

And it's also just being so fortunate to have met a guy like Cuss. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Just the stars align for you. And that's what we all need to realize, that they don't align for everybody. Because it's been written in life. Everything's been written since the beginning of time. Do you think that everything's been written like it all has a purpose to it?

It's all going, moving towards a certain goal? Absolutely. Do you see that when you get really high too? That's when I do mushrooms or anytime I do anything psychedelic, I have this weird thought that

all of this is playing out towards a very predetermined outcome. Exactly. All of this is what we're towards a very predetermined outcome. Exactly. All of this is what we're doing now. Me and you and everybody is a beautiful process of dying. Once you're born, the process begins. Yeah. And that's what it is.

And you're dying as the world is changing rapidly around you, as more people have access to information. No, by you dying, you change the world. That too. By you living, you change the world. Exactly. Yeah. That's the thing. I think death got a bad rap. I think, no, it has a bad rap.

If life is beautiful, how could death be bad? Well, it's inevitable, right? Without life, there wouldn't be death. Without death, there wouldn't be life. How could they both be bad? You think God would want us to be born and be scared about dying. That's all.

We're born now. We're scared to die. Well, we want to stay alive, but we can't be scared of something that's inevitable, right? No, we can't. We could be afraid, but we just can't cling to life. Right. There's nothing for us. And God wants us to be afraid.

He just don't want us to think after this is nothing. It always. I would like to think that he would think that we would believe after this, there's more than this. I believe once you die, you begin to live. That's my theory on dying. It certainly could be that. And that sound like you tell that

to like a pragmatic scientist, they'll act like we're crazy. But I think that if you have a psychedelic experience, one of the things you say to yourself is okay what is this how is this even really have a sign to tell us the best signs of the world explain your existence yeah actually explain it and explain your existence after you've done DMT yeah really explain it now explain your existence he can't you can live in the threshold of your birth to death life and just operate by society's rules

and only think about the things that matter to you know to your your bottom line your bank account and things like that but you're missing out on i used to believe that i think your consciousness tell you you mean i follow your consciousness you may be afraid to react right i think your conscious tell you and you you're just um intimidated to move or react i'm just totally different ignore it anything that i'm afraid to do i do it anything i'm afraid to do to ask the just tell you and you're just intimidated to move or react. I'm just totally different. You ignore it. Anything that I'm afraid to do, I do it. Anything I'm afraid to do, to ask the most prettiest girl in the world,

I'll do this, I work for this position in life. Anything I'm afraid to do, I just do it. Yeah. And not afraid of the result. Well, I'm afraid of results, but I act as if I'm not. Yeah. That's a great way to live your life. If you could just find things that challenge you all the time. Find things that scare you all the time.

And do them as often as possible. And when you realize it, really not many. Really think about it. Really losing your children and death. After that, what was really scary? Yeah. Most of it you get over. Absolutely.

Yeah. And then you're just a part of this whole system that leads up to people yeah well led up to this to me and well led up to you our generation now our generation will lead up to something else yeah we're gonna lead up to a totally new kind of human being oh yeah the internet yeah a bit different human being and maybe a different species eventually I think so maybe we'll become a different human being and maybe a different species. Eventually, I think so. Maybe we'll become a different species. There's just too much scientific science out there that people are dibbling and dabbling in.

All of a sudden, they start seeing these animals that look deformed with human beings' hands and heads and stuff. They've made human-monkey chimeras. That means they've combined the DNA of a human and a monkey. No, we're talking about how they did this. I think they only did it in the embryotics. Like, I don't think they actually raised one to a full-grown living animal. And the monkey arm's like this. It's crazy.

It goes right here. Instead of ours going here, his muscles go right here. Yeah. There's a video that someone sent me of a monkey pulling this dude's head off. Pulling this dude's scalp off his head. Just jumps on top of this dude, bites into his head, and peels back his scalp. Is it a chimpanzee? No, it's a tiny little monkey.

That's what's crazy. Here, I'll send it to Jamie. Because it's a tiny little monkey, and the dude is in India. You got it? Okay. So this dude is in India. This is it? Okay. So this dude is in India. This is it. Check this out.

This is crazy. So the dude thinks he's being friendly with this monkey. The monkey's sitting in his lap, and the monkey just grabs him out of nowhere. Look at this. Don't do this to me, man. Watch this. Don't do this to me. Bro, he bit his head and pulled his fucking scalp off.

Yo, listen, man. That's just a little monkey. That ain't even a big monkey. You ever watch the chimpanzees when they hunt those monkeys? Yes. And they hunt them and then they just rip them, break them while they're alive, eating their hand. And then they jump.

They're really considerate. They break off one hand and feed it to the other monkey. They share parts of the monkey while they're eating it alive. And alive. You saw that? It's screaming. I wanted those guys to get into stuff like that. You know, Mike, they didn't even know about that until the 90s.

They didn't know that they regularly hunted monkeys. They thought they lived off of fruits and vegetables like gorillas. Gorillas just eat plants. It's crazy the way they do. If a gorilla's hungry, they eat meat. I bet he will. But they most of the time are just eating plants, whereas the chimps a gorilla's hungry he'll eat meat i bet he will but they most of the time are just eating plants whereas the chimps really like eating monkeys eat meat it's just

something about a little face when the chimp is grabbing it and pulling it apart and the little face is like no listen it's the power it's the it's the power of being in control yeah you know it's just horrific to watch a monkey get eaten by a chimp. No. But the real deal is, that's who we are. We're taught to be human beings. We're animals taught to be human beings. And just like some animals, some are more intelligent,

some learn faster than others. That's why some of us are still in the animal stage of life. Right. Yeah. And we'll never change. Yeah. That process is going somewhere right like it's going towards some

very peaceful time but I think that's one of the things that people love so much about violence and conflict even watching stuff like that it reminds us it excites us because it reminds us oh we're just animals we're animals too taught to be human but also it reminds us not to be the weak one.

Yeah, don't be that dude. That monkey's climbing on you. It's punking you. You're the one. Listen, look at that. Oh, Jesus. The mean chimpanzee. Look how evil that chimpanzee is.

Oh, my God. That is a crazy photo. They're so powerful, too. Oh, insanely powerful. They can rip your face right off. Do you know about the giant chimps that they found in the Congo? Do you know about this? Let's check them out.

There's a group of chimps that they found in the Congo that are a subspecies. Let's check them out. They have, yeah, they're called the Bondo ape. There's a guy named Carl Armand. He's a Swiss wildlife photographer, or maybe he's from Sweden. And this dude has been, he sets up these camera traps in the Congo to try to capture them to try to get photos of them because there are a rare subspecies of chimp that grows like six feet tall they weigh over 300 pounds and fucking

huge maybe um maybe somebody's been a scientist in a laboratory with them I don't think so I think there used to be a bunch of different primate species that died off. Look at some people. There's been these animals that they found. It looks like it got teeth, but it looks like a fish, and it got claws. It's just a freaky shit. I guarantee you they fucked with some animals and made some hybrid animals. They definitely have done that.

But with this chimp, this is in such a remote part of the Congo. It's so difficult to get there, and there's all these civil wars in that area. It's very dangerous to get through there. Listen, they get anywhere. You don't think when we're driving by, you see nothing but mountains, no green. You don't think there's people under those mountains or some kind like this, like this. All due to the laboratory. Yeah, like this.

Oh, no, that's that chimpanzee. That's the evil one in the world. Isn't that the one that looks like a human? I think we're looking at a different thing. No, that's the most evil. That one's down here. That one with the guys that are taking the photograph with it, the dead one, that's legit. They shot this one at an airport in the Congo, and it's fucking huge.

I mean, look at the size of those guys. It's bigger than them, and it's a huge. I mean, you look at the size of those guys. It's bigger than them and it's a chimp. Fuck. And so they called this one, they called them, they had two different names for chimps. That's Sotwatch right there. Basically, right? They had two different words for chimps.

One was tree beaters and the other one was lion killers. That photo where they're holding that one up, that's another one. I mean, that's a giant fucking chimpanzee. That's way bigger than normal. And one of the things about them is they have these crests down the top of their skull, like a mohawk, that gorillas have. But chimps don't normally have that.

So they're an odd subspecies. Yeah. And there's not that many of them. They're in this one area of the Congo. It's really interesting. I just think at the beginning we were a different species of people. Yes. As you see during the period

when we see these people that, what do you call them? The people that do all the digging. Oh, yeah. Anthropologists. Anthropologists. Archaeologists. Yeah.

And I seen them. And one particular, it was about Amazons. And one picture they had this one Amazon. She must have been the queen because she was dead. She was like this, and she had a man in her feet. Oh, shit. He was dead, and she was on top of him.

That was how she died? That's how they buried her? That's how they buried her, yeah. In Russia or Ukraine, somewhere. That's heavy. Yeah. That's a lady that needs a lot of attention. Oh, but a bunch of them.

Listen, they have statues of men fighting the Amazon. They got guys grabbing them by the hair. Wow. They got women fighting them back, cutting, jumping on men. They got statues of it. Amazon's fighting. There's all kinds of people out there. Imagine if that's a real thing.

If it was a real tribe of super women fighters. You didn't believe that? You think it's a fairy tale? I don't think it's a fairy tale. No, no, no. I just don't know anything about it. Real thing, baby. Real thing.

Real deal, baby. So Amazon women, like a tribal group of women. They move their right breast so they can shoot. That's all real? Do you know about this, Jamie? Yeah, they found them buried. I believe it. Chest removed.

They remove the right tit so they can shoot. Ow! And they enslaved their babies. Oh, God damn, that's crazy to do. If that's true, that is one of the wildest things a person's ever done for combat. Remove part of your body so you can shoot a bow better. Makes sense, though. Well, you know, they did it to have their hairstyle.

It doesn't make sense. Engage, right? They elongate their head.irstyles. It doesn't make sense. Engage, right? They elongate their head. You know why that doesn't make sense? Because if you're shooting a bow right, your tit shouldn't even come into play. Hey, listen. That's back then. They may have shot it differently then.

Maybe. I believe that, too. This is a myth-busted thing. It's a myth? Yeah, it says it's a fake fact. Yeah, it would be. Well, I was just thinking about, because I shoot bows and arrows. I do archery.

And when you use proper technique, the boobs don't even come into play. The string goes from here to here. Yeah, but listen. So you're pulling this back. I don't believe anything, dude. They had different signs than they had now. That's true. They might have had different bows.

Maybe they just realized they could hold the bow better and not have to chop a tit off. Maybe they have different gods and they believe different things. That's for sure. Most religion was superstition before it became religion. Yeah. Our religion was superstition. Yeah, for sure. We still are superstitious.

I am. You know, we're the biggest Muslim, biggest Christian, biggest Mormon. We still are superstitious. I am. You know, we're the biggest Muslim, biggest Christian, biggest Mormon. We're still superstitious. Yeah. And our religion tells us superstition is bullcrap. But we're more superstitious than we are religious. You think so? Some people are pretty religious.

Some people believe, oh, that black cat crossed the path. Oh, no, you believe that. People believe the superstition. Do you ever imagine what it would be like to live in a different time when there was no written history? What those people must have been like just passing down knowledge, just talking to each other before they figured out how to write things down. Those are the greatest people of the beginning of the world.

Those people, they gave us thought. They gave us the biggest freedom that we could ever have in our life. They gave us thought. Imagine, we're still quoting them. We're still quoting Aristotle. We're still quoting soccer yeah we're still quoting genghis khan we're quoting people from thousands of years ago it's pretty wild because no matter how sophisticated we become powers everything yeah we don't quote them because they had great quotes we go to quota because they were powerful men that had great quotes.

There's that, and there's also just geniuses like Galileo. Imagine hanging out with that dude. No, listen, these guys are not cool hanging out with. Listen, all these geniuses, we like to be friends with them, but we don't want to live with them. That's probably true, right? Oh, we don't want to live with these genius friends of ours. Oh, they got so many habits.

Oh, what the fuck, nigga? Fucking goddamn, though, you need them. You need those geniuses. You're like, nigga, you washing again? Some people just wash all day. All day. They just wash. They take three showers.

Every time he goes, I have a friend, every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower. Wow. That's a lot of work. Every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower. Wow. That's a lot of work. Every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower. I said, why are you doing this? I took a shit. Wow. Every time he takes a shit, he takes a shower.

That's a clean man. No, he's an asshole. He's an asshole. Oh, man. Those are weird habits that we have. I leave him next time. Every time he goes time I just leave I leave

What the fuck You go to the bathroom You gotta take a shower How long does it take for him? I just don't want to do it man I don't know how long You gotta take a shit You gotta take a shower

What the fuck Get the fuck out of here man Imagine if he goes to use your bathroom Where's your towels? Like what? He's in there hosing down Yeah Sick people he's in there hosing down. Yeah.

Sick people. Imagine just being around Galileo and he's trying to tell you, hey man, all this shit they think about where the earth is and the sun is, they're all wrong. Everybody's wrong. Listen, he was getting high with some people, there's no doubt.

No doubt. Do you ever look at the history of drugs? Oh yeah. Holy moly. We're talking about the burning bush and everything's in there, man. Yeah, the burning bush. Yeah, the burning bush is DMT.

I love the burning bush. It makes sense. They say that that tree that is in that area, the acacia tree, that tree is rich in DMT. This book I read, what's the word? The Thing? What was it? I read, what's the word? The Thing? What was it?

I forgot, but I did it in an audio book. If you heard this guy reading, you would think this guy is hot. What is it about? I forgot the... Have you read, there's a great audio book that I listen to called The Immortality Key. And I had a guy on the podcast who wrote the book. Immortal Code? No, The Immortality Key is all about psychedelics

in ancient religions. They've opened up a field of study at Harvard, so they're studying this at Harvard now. All the ancient Greeks, they were all tripping. That's what they were doing. They have evidence now, Mike. They found these ancient pots they use for their ceremonies and there's

LSD residue on them. I know. Alexander the Great, when he went to ask, you know what, listen. He fell in love with the Afghan people. When he went there, he got fucked up. He said, oh, I love you guys. That's what he said. You guys are so beautiful. God made you guys so beautiful.

God. All of his men, like every one of his men that got killed, next thing you know, they got Afghani generals. They say, we're supposed to rule these people. Why we got these guys like generals? He fell in love with them. They got him high off the hash and all that. Wow. They fell in love with him.

Wow. That makes sense. It really does. That's why you see the you see how the Afghans that got that bushy hair, that's the Alexander, his men, the Greeks back then, they were mixed back then, the Greeks. So they had the bushy hair too.

You look at Greeks now, they don't have the bushy hair like they had back then. They were wood mountain men. Well, we know the Vikings took a lot of mushrooms. We know that. Listen, the Vikings are just getting high on anything. Blood, bones, whatever, man. The Vikings, that was an interesting.

Yeah. That was interesting. There's nothing, you know. Nothing like that. You would think they're not savages. They're just great fighters. Right. But they live a very respectable life, healthy life, great culture.

Great. There was a strong culture, like a fierce warrior culture. And then those people populated places like Iceland. I know, but listen, those guys, those vicious savages, those guys are farmers. Yeah. Look at these Vikings. They're marauders.

These guys are farmers. They're just farmers that know how to fight. Yeah, after a while, they did kind of become farmers, right? Yeah. Well, more than fighting you gotta you gotta eat right you gotta set up yourself you gotta sanitize the civilization there was that what is that show was on it was on a e or something like that what what was vikings on yeah that was a good show i got into it with my wife for a while we watched it for a few seasons but she got tired of watching

people get chopped up a lot of people got chopped. But they were doing it because they were dying, they needed to expand. Well they also sacrificed people's lives and shit, like they had human sacrifice, and in one of the episodes it's like, whoa. And it's based all around what they really did, how the Vikings really lived, with some liberties. The Vikings became czars. The Vikings became kings.

The Vikings took over the world. They became African kings. Listen to that. They became kings. They took over the world. Even in different cultures. Even in the Chinese, the black culture, they have Viking blood. Wow.

Because what the Western call it, the Vandals went to Africa. They call it black stone grave vandals. the Vandals went to Africa. They call them great Vandals. The Vandals went to Africa. It's wild when you see all those people that live in Iceland and how fucking big they are. Like those giant strongmen guys, most of them are from Iceland. It's like a large percentage of those

strongest men in the world guys are all from Iceland. They're fucking huge up there. It's weird in the cold they get bigger and in the heat they get smaller. That's what deer do too. It's weird in the cold they get bigger and in the heat they get smaller. That's what deer do too. Yeah. It's a mammal thing. Yeah,

they're warm so they stay smaller. Yeah. Well, when it's hot out it's easier to disperse the energy and have a smaller body.

Exactly. If you see the Siberian tiger and you see the Indian tiger, ooh, totally different. Siberian's way bigger, right Indian tiger, ooh, totally different. Siberian's way bigger, right? Monsters. Yeah.

Monsters. Isn't that interesting? But them Indian ones are mean as fuck. Those are mean as fuck. And I think the Siberians, they're so cold. They have to be mean. They're hungry all the time. That's true, too.

They can fight a polar bear. That's true, too. I wonder which one eats people more. I bet it would be the Indian one. Yeah, because you know what happens? You know in Siberia, you know how fucking much land they have out there in Siberia? That's ice before you could reach civilization.

In India, they keep infringing on their land, so they have one-on-one confrontation with the tiger in India. They keep approaching on his lamb, cutting down trees, and he needs the big trees to hide, and they run right into him. Yeah.

Did you see the tiger when he jumped on the elephant and took the guy's fingers off? Yeah. He looked so beautiful when he opened up the tiger. Yeah. It's crazy that he knew that there was a person on top of that elephant, too. It wasn't just the elephant. He wanted to get the guy on top of the elephant.

It was a tiger around killing some cows and stuff. So they were looking for him, and they hit the tree, and he just came and went in the air. Wow. And I was on the elephant. The elephant's like 10, 11 foot tall. Imagine seeing that thing flying through the air trying to get you. He's like 700 pounds coming at you. Boom.

That's how big they get. Look at this. Here we go right here. Look at that. Look, that's more than 10. Oh, my God. That thing flew. Look at this guy.

Look at him. You see him moving? Oh, you see this dirty motherfucker moving? Look how slick he is. Look at him. He came out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. Wow, God.

Oh, my God. That's the guy that lost the stuff, huh? Yeah, his arm got fucked up. He'd be leaving. Yeah, he was eating that stuff. So he was eating cows, and they were trying to kick him out of the area. And they came on these. That was looking like an elephant like 10 foot tall, man.

Could you imagine that job? Oh, God. Look at the size. Look at the size. Look at the house. Oh, my God. Look at that fucking mouth just looking to eat you, murder you. And what this guy just froze.

He froze. There's this area of India called the Sundarbans, and it's this river where the water is not quite fresh. It's all brackish. There's too much salt in the water. And they think it might be one of the reasons why the tigers are so aggressive there. They're constantly irritated. But the tigers in that area have killed some insane amount of people over the last hundred years. You saw a tiger grab that lady out of the

car? Oh yeah, I did. They had an argument. Get the fuck out the car, nigga. And the guy tried to run back and he ran to the car. You know, she lived. The mother died. Get out of here. The mother died. The mother went to save her and the mother got killed by a tiger she fucking lived they that thing dragged her off whatever she gets want to argue with a

motherfucker they get out the car nigga get the fuck out all right i don't want to hear this shit get the fuck out all right could you imagine being with a woman who's so fucking crazy that she pulled that's what it was get out things. That's what it was. Yeah. That's what it was. In a fucking park filled with tigers. I'm not going to say anybody deserves that, but some people need to stop the bullshit. Nobody deserves that, but everybody should know that that's on the menu. Don't get out the car. Why would you get the fucking out the car?

Jamie, find that video, please. Oh, Jamie, don't do this to society. It's horrible that this happened, but, you know, it happened. Listen, my wife thinks something's wrong with me. Because, listen, I was at one of my shows, and the guy, and it was one of those elevated stage. So the guy was like, I don't know, 40 feet in the air. And he said, hey, Mike, you like my clothes? And he came out.

He tried to jump on the stage, but he jumped on his leg at the stage. He kept going down. Oh, no. I'm laughing. My wife is looking at me. Why are you laughing at people in Australia looking at me? I just couldn't help it. Oh, here it is.

Oh, look at this. Oh, man, check this out. Oh, look. She gets out of the car. Get the fuck out of the car, nigga. Stop, nigga. Get the fuck out of the car. I'm telling you.

I'm tired of that bullshit. Fuck you. Making all this noise. Look at this. What's that? I mean, God damn. I'm sorry. I'm going to that bullshit. Fuck you. Making all this noise. Look at this. What's that? I mean, God damn. I'm sorry. I'm going to be the last.

Look what she said. Get out the car. Get out the car now. Come on. Get out now. She's out of that car for how long? 15 seconds? Come on.

Get out the car now. I command you. Get the fuck out the car. I'm tired of this shit, Bill. What a wake up call. We need to know there's people like that in the world that will get out of a car and cause of a crazy scene in a tiger park addicted to chaos man they're addicted to chaos I was in that world at once yeah addicted to chaos there's a lot of people addicted to chaos.

The drug is a narcotic, man. This area in the Sundarbans, these guys have to do a survey of how many tigers there are just so they can keep track. And they go with rifles, and they have these helmets on. And the helmets have a face on the back of the head. I had a mask. I had a mask. Really?

You had to do that? I turned around. I had a mask, yeah. Wow. You had to do that My kid had a mask. I had a mask. Really? You had to do that? I turned around. I had a mask, yeah. Wow. You had to do that or he would jump on you? Well, they think I'm running and shit. Oh, my God. And they're playing.

And if they accidentally, because they chew on my arm and stuff, and if they accidentally bite my head, they can hurt me. But actually, they don't mean it. Right, right, right. When they on my shoulder, I'm going to let them bite me and my legs and stuff. And you're just playing. Yeah, but they could pierce my skull. Jesus. How big did they could pierce my skull. Jesus.

How big did they get? 600, 500. That's when they're eating good, man. That's when they're eating good. But you never felt nervous around them? You never felt like they might kill one of your friends accidentally? Definitely one of my friends and my family. You know, the relationship with tigers and stuff are different than with

lions and stuff lions are like dogs and stuff they like hanging out with family but tigers only hang about with you oh really yeah only with you and you hope you better hope he doesn't like one of your children because then you can't play with your children he might kill you oh my god it's crazy that's what the tigers are crazy they get They get attached to one person. Oh my God. They're not no family people. One person. Whoa. They don't fuck around with a whole bunch of people. They're not like

my lions hang out there on the front table of your table hanging out with the family and stuff. Really? Yeah, tigers don't do that. You notice in the wild they don't even want anything. I see them, they're gonna kill. Yeah. They don't even want to be seen. them, they're going to kill. Yeah. They don't even want to be seen. The only time they're with a female is when it's mating season.

After mating season, if they see you, they're going to kill you. I wonder why they have that coloration, that beautiful pattern on their body. I wonder if that's just because it's so, when you see a tiger that looks that stunning, I bet it makes you freeze more because it's so stunning. They look beautiful. When I was over at a gentleman's house that had a tiger,

we were talking about it, and I saw this cat. It's called a tabby. They're different than the stripes. They have patches of orange. They're not stripes. They're patches on cream color. And I was going to hug the cat. And he said, Mike, don't hug the cat. Just go down a little. Because it was so pretty. I said, oh, my God. He said, Mike, don't hug the cat. Just go down a little.

Because it was so pretty. I said, oh, my God. He said, no, Mike, don't touch it. And I forget it wasn't my cat. If it's not your cat, don't touch the cat. Yeah. If it's not your cat, don't touch it. Some cats will fuck you up.

Ooh. Yeah. Without knowing. They punch you just like, pow. Knock you cold. Yeah. Knock you cold. But having a big cat for a pet I just want to pool

with them really enough swimming so what did you do when you weren't around like if you had to leave you got to go to camp if you had to do anything like what did you do with the cats they came with me really big trucks. Put them in cages, they live big baby. I'm the heavyweight champ of the world, they live big, when I go somewhere, they go with me. Even if it takes days and a thing. I would have them expedited on the planes. Nigga, I didn't care. So when you got to a place,

like say if you were training for a fight and you brought them with you, what would you do, have a cage set up for them i would have the trucks i always have the encasement already built at the house but first thing more than all i will have my um my receipt for my you know you have to have every time they move you have to have a license for them if they move to vegas all right we have to have the vegas like they moved to new york we need a new york license right right and new york is so hard to get a life for live animals, you know, endangered species. So hard.

There was a dude they found an alligator in his apartment. Listen, alligator. No, no, that's not what happened. This is what they had in New York, right? Yes, in New York. He had an alligator in the bathtub. Right. And he had a tiger.

Yes. And they started, oh, this is stupid. Listen. Just listen to this. Listen to, no, you this is stupid. Listen. Just listen to this. No, you have to listen. You going to listen to this? Yes, please. He thought he was somebody's false parent.

The tiger and the lion started fighting. No, the tiger and the alligator started fighting, and he tried to break it up. Can you imagine you had an alligator and a tiger in your apartment? Of course you know what happened. Since you brought it up. No, listen. How do you do that in New York City? The tiger's 400 pounds, man.

Ain't no little tiger. And not a little tiger. Remember the guy in the subway had a 500-pound tiger? Yeah. It was the guy that lived in New York in the subway. He had a 500-pound tiger in the subway. That is so crazy. Look at the size of that thing.

Look at this stuff. Look at New York police. Look, I told you. This is in his house, man. That is so crazy. No, no, no. Look how big that thing. Look at this stuff. Look at New York Police. Look, I told you. This is in his house, man. That is so crazy. No, no, no. Look how big that thing is, man. Joe, Joe.

Look how big that is. No, no, Joe. My cat, Joe. We're living with these cats. Look, that's my cat's that big. But Joe, look. We're living with these cats, and they're not trained. Oh, my God.

My cat is true. My cat lives with me. She sleeps in my bed. This cat is not. This is a wild cat, man. Oh, my God. Look at the face on is not. This is a wild cat, man. Oh, my God. Look at the face on that thing. This is a wild cat.

You can't hang out with this cat, man. They're so beautiful, though. Look at his face. Look at that face of that cat in the window with the cop. Listen, that's the 42 fakeout, man. They're so pretty. He's hanging, by the way. He's floating in the air.

He's looking at this cat. Oh, he's dropping down from the ceiling. From the roof. From the roof. Oh, my God. I know. He's like, ain the air. He's looking at this cat. Oh, he's dropping down from the ceiling. And he's looking in and seeing the cat. Oh, my God. I know. He's like, ain't this some bullshit? Look at that cat's face, though. Look how pretty they are.

Oh, no. That's the fake out, man. That's how they get you to fucking stand still. I think that's what I'm saying. I think they're so beautiful. I think that might be it. Because their colorations and the, the I mean it's not sneaky no but this is the thing

right this is the thing I never understood about tigers right they got some they don't want you to look at them no cats don't want you

to look at them that's like a show of dominance yeah the tigers don't want you to look at them what's your fucking problem man you know I'm gonna play with

dogs dogs have a problem with that too sometimes they don't make that face to face stuff well they think you a problem with that too sometimes. They'll make that face-to-face stuff. Well, they think you're challenging them. That's what it is? Yeah, they don't understand. I'm thinking for my love.

I'm doing like love. I think you love me. They don't know that. They don't know that. When they love each other, it's like sideways action. You know, they love on each other, but they don't like stare eye to eye. Eye to eye is like, I don't know what you're thinking. You might be challenging.

That's when you know you're coming for your head yeah some dogs will do that if you eyeball them that's why they're so i never knew that since you said look in the face they think you're challenging them for dominance like my golden retriever you met my um marshall when he was here yeah we have pictures you cuddling with them but those are like the sweetest dogs they don't challenge you ever so he never like really let he looks me in the eyes just because we've known each other for so long. He knows it's not like a challenging thing, that we're just being sweet to each other. But even a dog like that doesn't like looking you in the eye. They like looking around your eyes, looking at your face. You know what's interesting about big cats, especially tigers?

If a tiger, if you go, like I see my tiger running in the cave, man. If I go and I see him and he's happy to see me and runs to the gate, I go in, I play with him, I bring him out with me. But if I go there and they're like this, nah, they don't have the day to go in. They're just looking at you like this. You stare them eye to eye. When they're looking at you like this.

And then I ask them, they're just looking at you. No, no, that's not a good day. Oh, no. Don't go in there that day when they're just looking at you. It's crazy that people love to have pets like that. They love it. To live in an apartment and have a tiger like that. How much did he have to feed it?

Listen. And where's all the shit going? They don't eat much, but they eat all day. Oh. They eat a little all day. Well, they're so big they so he must be just giving it raw meat right yeah chicken yeah a lot of chicken i like giving them chicken and i give them horse meat like you give them a whole chicken right i'm gonna get two or three of them

but then i give them the horse meat this is when it gets fun when you get the whole side of a cow or some horse like this whole rib and, you throw it in there and they slam and boom. Hit it against the fence and hit it in the air and grab it and then run inside. Like a joke. Did you ever see the video from the Iraqi zoo when the U.S. soldiers first took it over?

Did you ever see that? No, no. He had the giraffes and all that stuff there. Well, there was an Iraqi zoo and when the U.S. soldiers first got there, the way they would feed the lions, they would just let goats go. Just let them go and let the lions kill them, and everybody would watch. Yeah, that's not good. But isn't that the way they're supposed to do it?

No way. Because they'll get too into killing things. As soon as they took the bugger, hey, baby. Right here, hey, baby. With another one. Yeah. Why you eating that? I'm kissing.

Okay. There you go. What is this? That's that guy. Oh, they made a movie about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no shit. This is in Harlem, man.

Oh, Jamie, send me this. Send me a link to this, please. I need to watch this documentary. That's the dude? Yeah. I don't want to say things about it. It's crazy. He's got a fucking say things about him. It's crazy. He's got a fucking tiger at his house.

No, listen. Listen, these animals make you believe that you can control them. They give you the foresense of security that you're in control. They're smart. They know what they're doing. They think, oh, he really wants me to lay down with him and play with him? Oh, really? That's so weird.

Oh, really? I'm going to give him a fart. Let me see how he likes that. Or maybe I do a good dump in the bed. Let's see how he likes that. You really like me? They'll shit right in your bed? Nigga, no, but definitely.

I know they have that, but they fart. Fart, they might as well shit. If they fart, they might as well shit. How bad is a tiger fart? Oh, man. Listen, the house fucked up. All the windows got to be open. You got to firmigate it.

You got to call some motherfucker. You know when they smoke in the house to clear the shade? What the fuck happened? They said, Mike, what the fuck happened, Mike? Oh, my God. You know, it makes sense. People are staying at my house. Oh, fuck them.

I got to go. They back when they start leaving. What the fuck, man? It's going to be all right. Tiger farts make them leave. Holy shit. Oh, my God. They said, Mike, I ain't doing this shit, Mike. Of course.

Of course tiger farts are the worst. That only makes sense. That's hilarious. Listen, listen, you have no idea. You would think that this is not real. This is not coming out of anything that breathes air. This didn't come out of something that breathes air. There's no fucking way, Joe.

How did this? I can only imagine. Oh, shit. I was talking to this dude who's a wildlife expert. He said one of the more distressing parts about the zoo is that people get to stare at animals. He goes, there's no other world where anything gets to stare, anything with eyes in the front of its face. Hey, maybe you want to check. At one time in life, they did an experiment when they put people in the zoo.

Oh, wow. You want to check that one out? Human zoo. The human zoo. That's a scary one. And it was real people in there. They fucking in front of people looking at them, eating.

I don't want to give people any ideas. I wouldn't want to have a human zoo because I wouldn't want people having any fucking ideas. Listen, I know we don't like Alex Jones and stuff, but listen, check this out, right? I like him. I know people don't know, but listen,

whatever you think a human did to another human being, it happened. Yes. I mean, anything. I don't know, fucked, ate, or whatever it is, it happened. Somewhere in history it definitely happened. It probably happened somewhere this year. Yes.

And sometimes in these special camps and stuff it happens. These people own these thousands of acres and nothing grows on them. Weird ranches where people meet and do rituals and shit. Might want to hunt a motherfucker and let him go. That's not outside the realm of possibility. I know. That's why I'm

throwing it at you. I guarantee you there's been someone somewhere in the world who paid someone to hunt a person. I guarantee you that's happened someone somewhere in the world who paid someone to hunt a person. I guarantee you that's happened. Listen, no. This is what happened. They take these homeless people off the streets, put them in there, take them to one of these special hospitals. They take them from that hospital,

may have them drugged up, take them on these large estates of property. Let's hunt. Run. Jesus Christ. Nigga, run. No, really. I really believe that I think well that book The Most Dangerous Game didn't that come out in like the 30s

it's an old old book about that very very thing rich people hunting poor people the only reason we hunt the fox why is the only reason we hunt fox I think there's their fur the fox is the only one that backs tracks oh cause it fur the fox is the only one that backs tracks oh because it's sneaky he's the only one that backs tracks like if he if he chases if you chase me go forward and then come backwards and go this way trick you yeah that's why that's the only really challenging

that's the only challenge in chase everything else is too easy it's too simple-minded the fox is the only one that's challenging. Oh, that's interesting. I never thought about it that way. And so now they say, well, the fox is the most reasonable animal. Let's try a human animal and see how reasonable he is. Guaranteed.

Guaranteed someone's done that. They want to challenge reasonability. Let's see how he thinks. How does he think? How is he superior than us? Why are we superior? They're not going to do anything they think that's inferior than them. Yeah.

They're going to study what they're going to attack or what they're going to make their victim. For sure, people have done that, right? Anything you think a human being could do, he did it. Yeah. To another human being. But that one, like an organized one like that, where they're hunting someone, for sure that's happened. Hey, listen. I don't care. How much fun would that be?

No, you think about it. Forget who's watching you and what people think about you, but how much fun would that be? Depends on who the guy is. No. That too. Imagine if he's smarter than you. Oh, Jesus.

You know, and you can't catch him, and he's smarter than you, and he kills you. You know. That's what it is. Don't they allow them to have some weapons and stuff? And this kind of stuff? I heard they allow them to have weapons. They didn't just chase them. I'm sure there's different rules.

Yeah. I'm sure different people have different ways of doing it to make it more sporting. It's not sporting when they're not fighting back. I don't care how much of a smug you are. It's just not as much excitement if a punch is not coming at you. Right. Maybe they give you a set of tools. They know you're going to fail with, but it would be interesting.

At least you have a possibility of succeeding. Make it a little more exciting for them. It becomes exciting. It only becomes exciting when the rabbit gets the gun. If the rabbit don't have the gun, it tells me it's just going to be a shooting fish in a bucket. Yeah, hunting a human being. Jesus Christ.

What a terrifying thought that people would be into doing that. But if I had to guess yes or no, I would say definitely people have done it. And there's going to be somebody with the ego that's going to say, they're not going to kill me. They're not going to kill me. I'm going to survive this. Especially if you put up a big prize reward.

You say, like, you know, I'll make $5 million. If you live, you make $5 million. No. I bet a lot of people would say that. It has nothing to do with money. It's live or die. Your instance of your life. Right, but I mean, how many people would risk it just to see if they could win money?

Like, if you had a show like that, where you paid. So look at it like this. Say you were in poverty all your life. If you know you, if someone could take your heart right now, your heart, your parents, your family would be rich. Right. What would you do? You might do it. Exactly.

Well, some people will. Some people would do it. You'd be surprised how selfish some people are right a lot of people be Like no, I'll work this out on my own. Yeah, no take my family You wouldn't but I mean it's one of those questions like would you really believe them you're gonna let them kill you you believe They're gonna take care of your family. Are you sure? That's a really maybe you want to believe it. Yeah, you want to believe it to end the suffering a Maybe you want to believe it.

Yeah, you want to believe it to end the suffering. A person will take care of your family if you kill somebody he don't like. Later on, he'll do something really spectacular. Right. What does it really cost to take care of a family? Depends on how you take care of them, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's a... If you think that everything should be legal

That's where You know Someone A game show Where someone tries to kill you That's a fucked up thing to have legal Listen What the guy

What's my name? Barry something He was a spy What's the guy in that story? Tell me my name Barry something Barry Seals? No

He was a talk show host. Talk show host. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry, he's a spy. Chuck Berry. Yeah, from the gong show. He's a fucking spy.

Is that real, though? I always thought that Chuck Berry stuff. Come on. They made a story out of it. It had to be real. They made a story out of it. I wasn't sure if that was just the plot of that movie Which is a really fun movie

They continue to say that Look it up brother What was that movie again? Dangerous Mind Yeah Chuck Berris That was a fun movie Chuck Berris

That's right not Barry I say this guy cannot be a fucking spy Is he really a spy? Are we going to believe the internet? The internet is our truth guard now I hope he was a spy. It's a better story. It's hilarious if he became the host of the gong show, because he was great. Incredible.

He was so much fun. He had the perfect amount of silliness. He changed the game. According to this, the quick Google search, it says he admitted to making up the story. Oh, he made it up. I don't know. Oh, so it's some fiction that he wrote. So, no, I was never a CIA hitman. I never did those things.

I once applied for the CIA. And while I was going through the process, I got a job and went on to television. Yeah, but do you believe a guy who they think was a spy? I know. We have a guy who comes in. His name is Mike Baker. I'm talking about you I know. We have a guy who comes in. His name is Mike Baker. I'm talking about you, Mike.

And he says he's not in the CIA anymore. And I'm like, anymore? Like, you're retired. Like, you still talk to those guys. Yeah, I'm talking about those bodies that he's seen, those spacey-looking motherfuckers he's never seen before. You won't give up the alien talk. Get pulled up a video of Chuck Barris hosting the gong show. No, look at them. Chuck Barris hosting the gong show. Man, look at that.

Chuck Barris, the CIA assassin? There's a possibility. Dangerous Minds producer says, oh, that's a producer. He's just trying to sell some movies. Sell some shit. Chuck was a decent guy. They're trying to make him a spy. Yeah, they're trying to make him a spy. He's just a guy who's got a creative mind. That was a great show, though. He was so silly. That was

like, what was that, the 70s? Yeah, yeah. Here's one that says it was 77 though He was so silly That was like What was that The 70s Yeah yeah Here's like one That says it's 77 He was so silly He was like a silly guy Yeah listen It was this

Listen These Jewish guys It was Rosenbergs Remember these guys In World War II Rosenbergs Ethel Rosenbergs Were those the people

That got arrested For spying Yeah Yeah My mentor He would put his life They were innocent Yeah My mentor, he would put his life they were innocent. Yeah, a lot of people

believe that. He put his life on it they were innocent. He got me in trouble. I'm telling you, I don't even know nothing about these Jews. They're innocent,

they're innocent because I'm just following him. Yeah. Oh, man, you believe how many people hate these people? Yeah. Holy shit.

Yeah, they were probably innocent. The brother-in-law, the wife's brother made everything up. He told the story. I don't know what he made up. But I grew up being taught they were innocent. Ain't that some bullshit?

Yeah, it is. So what do they think happened? How did they get in trouble? How did they get caught up in it? they think happened how did they get in trouble how did how did they get caught up in it the brother her brother i believe um made something up got suspicious about something that he's saying and he reported it and then they got arrested for it and then they got executed for it right but they didn't do anything right so you know so they said was that the story yes it's hard to tell but my god there's a lot of people that didn't do anything that went to jail or died or died yeah my god

i mean that's one of the the things about the future that i think is going to be very strange is when we could read minds because i don't think that's far off, Mike. Listen, check this out. Did this happen? How many times did this happen? Oh, God, what's Bob doing? Bing! Yeah.

Hey, Bob. Yeah. Imagine if you can control that in some kind of capacity. You know what I mean? Make that work in some kind of capacity. Do you understand? I think it's an emerging part of being a person. I ain't seen him in 10 years. God, man, I wonder if this guy is still alive.

Bob, how you doing, man? Some people want to say that's a coincidence. There's no coincidence. It's all been written. Since the beginning of the light, it's been written. If you don't think so, it's just ridiculous to believe that. I think sometimes it could be a coincidence, but sometimes it's not. And I don't know why I know it believe that. I think sometimes it could be a coincidence.

But sometimes it's not. And I don't know why I know it's not. I don't know that it's not. But I know that there's moments where, like, I'm thinking of a very good friend, and then he calls me. And I'm like, wow, that's weird. Like, I haven't talked to this guy in a while. And he's just calling me out of the blue, not even texting me. And every now and then, you feel like there's a connection.

You know, every now and then, I have dreams. Normally when I sleep, it's blacked out or white out, and then I wake up. Do you not have dreams, or do you not remember your dreams? I don't remember having dreams. I used to know blackouts. What is the difference between the days you have them and the days you don't? Is it like when you're more rested you have dreams, or does it have anything to do with anything that goes on in your life?

I dream more when I'm awake than when I sleep. Really? Yeah. So when you sleep you just go out? Yeah, I have more time to position myself, to relax, to meditate. Right, right, right. Relax. Yeah.

Yeah. When you made that shift and got back into fighting again, what did it feel like to just all of a sudden go into warrior mode again? I saw you doing road work. I saw you hitting the bag and working out with Rafael Cord cordero i'm like this is wild to see it was nothing to me but i was excited more because my friends were excited mike mike how's your back your back all right mike you're moving your fucking back i'm wondering if your fucking back all right and i said mike i can't believe you're doing this shit mike i said mike you're fucking believe you're doing this shit, Mike. I said, Mike, you fucking crazy. You're doing this shit?

I said, fuck, you're doing this shit, Mike? Fuck. It was crazy for all of us to watch. Mike, don't do this shit, man. And look, I love Dana, right? Dana White's my man. I don't care. I can never say nothing bad about him.

So he said, Mike, I don't want you to fight, man. I'm going to get you a job, make you some money. He gives me the goddamn Shark Week job. He gets me the job. I got to put the shark to sleep now. He doesn't want me to fight and get knocked out and beat up, but he wants me to go in there and put a shark to sleep. How the fuck do you put a shark to sleep?

You rub his belly? Yeah, you play with his chin. Like, hey, little buddy. And he's real big. And now, listen. What? So I got the shark, like the nine-footer. I made him catatomic.

He freaked out and just chilled, right? So the next day I have to do the tiger shark. The tiger shark is the most aggressive shark. He's a monster. Look how big of a tiger shark. Oh, my God. How big of a tiger shark? They're very aggressive, aren't they?

Yeah. I think they're like 14 feet. Well, check this out. How big is this tiger shark? I think a big one is like that. 14? All right, so they do this. So they do, excuse me, no racist.

They do this white shoe. I mean, they go, all right, Mike, so we got the tiger shark tomorrow. All right, he's more aggressive, of course, so you have to move differently with this guy, and he's gonna come at you, but when he comes, you go underneath his neck. When he tries to attack you, you go underneath him, and you tickle

his neck. So I'm in there, I'm saying, listen, they're throwing blood in the water, dead fish, the water, the ocean's getting red out, man. It's a big bloody mess there. And listen, the tiger shark don't show up. Really?

No shark showed up. The tiger shark, no shark showed up. I said, God, thank you. This is a blowout. But God, the shark didn't show up. I said, what? Maybe he died or got into an altercation with a whale or something

but God imagine Dana White got you eaten listen imagine it was Dana's fault and you get eaten by a fucking shark no no no

oh you wanna hear this no no no forget that you wanna hear this my wife thought it was a good idea too I said your motherfuckers don't care about me they don't give a fuck about me, man.

My wife said that's a good idea. Could you imagine telling her to get in the ocean with sharks and bloody fish and tickle them? Tickle them under the chin? Wild sharks. These aren't trained sharks. They're wild in the ocean. Like the seven foot sharks, you know, the little green reef sharks. He's hitting me and it's like, boom.

Oh, I'm like fucking out. He continues to hit me. Yeah, watch this. So, Mike, what are you wearing? Chain mail? Is that like a chain mail suit or something like that? It's supposed to like something protect you? Joe, please look how stupid I look.

Oh, my God. So you have this bite suit on. Is that what it is? Listen. Did he bite you at all? No, right? But this is suit on. Is that what it is? Listen. Did he bite you at all? No, right? But this is the thing. This is the real thing.

This is so crazy. You're touching its face. This one thing has kept hitting me, man. Boo-ooh. Hit me in the guts. Boo-ooh. Hit me in the head. Boo-ooh.

This is crazy. Mike, this is so much more dangerous than boxing. No doubt. But my wife thought that Dana was doing me a favor. My wife, she thought Dana was doing us a favor. He was helping our family out, make money without getting hurt. Oh, my God. Thanks a lot, Mike.

My baby, I love you, Kiki. Tigers are scary, but sharks are just as scary in the ocean. You can't even get away from them. Listen, you're more successful with a tiger because you're going to scream, and he might freak out and run. You think so? Sometimes they do. I think they'd enjoy it.

I think if you screamed at a tiger, I think you would think it's adorable. You know what? I found out about tigers. Tigers are really like wimps and stuff. Really? Yeah, if you step on their hand, they'll freak out. They're not going to fight back. Really?

If you step on their feet. Really? If you step on their hand and you hit their feet, they'll freak out. Really? Freak out, yeah. And you know what else I found out about sharks, too? What? That stuff that we see on television, you get a cheer, put a cheer,

a cheer freaks them out. Oh, yeah? A cheer freaks them out. Tigers do. Lions do. Freaks them out. I don yeah? The chair freaks them out. Tigers do it. Lions do it. Freaks them out. I don't know why, but a chair, like a wooden chair, four legs, you go like this, it freaks them out. Huh.

I wonder why. You know, you see a cartoon, they had the whip and the chair. That's right. They always did. The chair freaks them out. Oh, well, that makes sense. Damn, I'm learning some shit on this podcast. I did, too.

When I saw them, I was like, what's that about? Then I saw the chair, it freaked him out everything that makes total sense that was always the image of the guy who tamed the lion he had a chair in his chair freaks them out wow what a strange animal no it's strange about a tiger when he's just laying down and then you come in the room, and he's chilling. Then you open your eyes, and his eyes are at your eyes. Oof. And you're like this. Hey, hey, hey. Everything cool?

You know, you wake him up. You can't leave a tiger. Lion's cool, but you can't leave a tiger like this too long. You told me that's challenging. Yeah. That's what it was. He's probably like yeah

you can't do this too long with them no that's why when I look at him he's like hey hey hey excuse me what a fucking gamble

that is what a gamble it's basically living with a monster well listen it's difficult because you get brainwashed because you raised them

from a baby and then you reprimand them and they get in check and stuff. Like, yeah, okay, I'm in check. Yeah, you pissed me off again. Jesus Christ. But it's the intoxication in your mind, the intoxication that you're in control. Right.

That's the bullshit. You believe in that bullshit. Force sense of security. You're in control with this big cat. This cat's 500 pounds. You raised this little baby, but you piss him off sometimes. You know, control with this big cat. This cat's 500 pounds. You raised him since he was a baby, but he pisses him off sometimes. He pisses the cat off sometimes.

You get mad that he fought. You might smack him. He might get pissed off. Did you watch Tiger King? Yeah. Isn't that wild? That's a very interesting guy. Joe. Oh, hilarious guy. Listen, he has so much of one of those guard complex. you call those, guard complex, you know?

Yeah. Got these guys in control. Messiah complex. Listen. Yeah. He had one of his workers sacrifice their arm and still go to work and say, hey, I'm working free of charge. That's that guard period.

That's that guard mentality shit. What they call that guard complex. Well, he turned straight guys out. Yeah. He married to two guys. Yeah. Two straight guys. He married two guys.

He's a wizard. He just, his ego got him in trouble. He gonna kill this bitch. I'm telling you. He gonna say, I'm telling you, I'm gonna kill her. I'm gonna have her killed. Yeah. He's still in jail, isn't he?

Yeah, he's still in jail. The type of person that is interested in collecting tigers is a very interesting type of person. Listen, whoa. I don't even want to say what kind of person that is. What kind of person? That collects big

cats. You don't want to say it? You know, it's just very it's all for profit. There's nothing out of love. See, I love the cats. I'm risking getting eaten by these guys. These guys put them in cages and bought.

I sleep with them. I sleep in my bed with them, and this guy keeps them in cages. Mike, you want to hear the craziest statistic? What? There's more tigers in captivity than in a while. In private collections in Texas. Just in Texas. Well, Beaumont got some good collections of tigers. It's like, how many tigers are in Texas?

There's like 3,000 tigers out here. It's a big, big black market. Yeah, well, it's legal here. I had like four tigers. Four. I mean, I had four. Imagine a guy that's Black Market Underground. That guy Joe Exotic, he had 20 tons of them, right?

Yeah. Beautiful ones, too. So when you had four, did you have four at the same time, or did you have four ones at different times? Yeah, I had three at one time. Three at one time. Wow. And the only one that bit me was the damn lion, because I'm trying to give him the technique shot.

I think I'm a fucking, excuse me, I think I'm a doctor. So I'm gonna give him a technique shot, because I don't want no one to know I have this lion and tiger, so I have to be the doctor, and I have to be the mother, the father, the doctor. Oh no. I gotta give him this technique, and this nigga takes a this technique this takes a this

this baby takes a chunk out of me how bad was it i had like seven stitches eight six people that must be terrifying though when they bite down on i just didn't want to get my fame i was worried about getting my veins so did you did he get the technoshot did you give it to him yeah he got it in there but that's why he bit me oh my god it's a big animal that is a big animal i was in my delusional stage that i might tie some of the baddest on the planet and these lions and tigers are gonna know it too you know and it didn't work out that way it didn't come out the way i i planned it it really didn't work out that way. It didn't come out the way I planned it. It really didn't. They acknowledged that I was inferior, and they just bounced me. Listen, they're bigger now, so the tiger and the lion are fighting. And for some reason, I don't know why, the tiger's bigger,

but the tiger's intimidated the lion a little right and he's big like 200 pounds bigger so the lion's chasing him right so the lion's chasing the tiger and the wall is here the lion goes right the tiger goes right up the wall boom the lion goes boom hits the wall and goes out oh wow he's chasing him and the tiger runs up the wall and the tiger and the lion is boom hits the wall he's not as agile as the lion. The tiger is 20 years, 20 years, 20 pounds what 200 pounds heavier and he's more agile Wow He went right up that wall walked right up the wall Thing about the male lions is they're just big to protect They're big to protect and control the tribe the females do all the hunting. Yeah they do all the fighting

Did you ever hear about that island where the river broke off into a different direction and made this area an island in Africa? And the lions that live there, all they have to eat is water buffalo. So they have lions and water buffalo, and these lions have grown bigger than regular lions. So the female lions that live there live there there's big as regular male lions they're fucking huge because all they do is I think it's called relentless enemies and all they do is hunt these buffaloes they're like super sized lions so cuz it's a whole look up pride of the line healthy where the females are enormous because they

have to take down. Look at their muscles. Look at their stomach. That's how you can tell they've been eating. Look at their stomach. I mean, they're fucking super jacked lions. Ooh, look at them fly. Yeah. All they have to do is eat these giant ass buffalo, which are impossible to take down.

And they can get killed easy. They kill lions as well, these buffaloes. So the only ones that lived. Look at this guy. Yeah. The only ones that lived were the ones who were the descendants of the animals that were strong enough to kill the buffalo. And so those are the ones that bred. And then within, you know, how many hundreds of years that this has been going on?

Show us some white lions. Do you know, well, just recently, normally when a white lion is born, they normally kill it and let it starve to death. And one instance they found where they hunted for this white lion. And you come out in brown and green, white, everybody's going to see you. Right. So that's why the other lions kill it? They killed it and fed him, helped them eat. That never happened before. Really? Yeah.

So ordinarily you think they would kill it because it's too visual? Yeah, give the tribe away. Yeah, give away their position. But they were scared of it too. It was always an omen. Even with tigers and lions, they see a white that's scared, they kill it. Yeah, albino animals are weird. I saw an albino.

That's not albino though. Oh, that'sbino. That's not albino, though. Oh, that's just white. Yeah. No one knows how that happens. Wow. Look up how do they turn white. Why are they white? Yeah, because they're not living in a snowy area like a polar bear or something like that.

Hey, but listen, that's where it stems from. Really? For them to hide in the grass. Hide in the ice and the snow. hide the grass right for polar bears to cats to them from this the cold mmm Siberia whatever they all still come from the white ones because that's feeding in the jungle you can see it but in the snow you can't have you ever seen a lynx before? Yes. Yeah.

I had a lynx before. Did you really? Little guy. They're mean little shit. They're not cool as pets. They're not? Not too cool. What was the lynx like?

It's tough. Don't fuck with me. Let me do my stuff. Walk around the house. They look cool. They got crazy paws. Most of them are not. You can't hold them a lot. Oh, really? paws. Most of them are not. You can't hold them a lot.

Oh, really? Yeah. The little ones are tough. Really? The big ones are more lovey-dovey than the little ones. Look at that cat. Does that cat look like he wants to hug you and play with you? The person's holding him.

He don't look like he wants to be there. Look at him. Oh, no. What do the eyes in that fucking thing? They don't cool. Listen, they're just not cool. Look at the eyes on that thing. Even when they're cool, they're not cool. They don't cool. Listen, they're just not cool. Look at the eyes on that thing. Even when they're cool, they're not cool.

They don't look cool. That cat don't look cool, the guy holding him, right? No. Go to that picture again with the guy holding him. He just don't look cool, man. The guy's happy. This guy just don't look cool. He's a dork.

He's going to get clawed. Yeah, this cat just don't look good, man. I never knew they were that big. Mine weren't that big. That's like a dog, man. Dude, the eyes. Look at that cat's eyes. See, that thing's been eating.

Somebody's been feeding that cat. Look at the look in his eyes, though. That is horrific. The little cats are tough. The big cats are easier than the little guys. Well, it makes sense. They have to hustle. Look at these guys.

They have to be killing things all the time. All the time. Because they're eating rabbits and stuff. Look at these guys. They have to be killing things all the time. All the time. Because they're eating rabbits and stuff. Look at one die. I need him. Hunt and devour lynx. Yeah, it makes sense. Trying to wipe out the competition.

All the time. That's a hard life being a small cat living in the wild. But listen, that's true, but they live longer because they eat less. Oh, right. They probably live longer, too, because they just stay out of conflict, just keep moving. They're in a lot of conflict, believe it or not. During the day, they're out a lot. Oh, wow.

Look at that one, biting a deer. I never knew he could take a deer down. Wow. Look at that one, biting a deer. I never knew he could take a deer down. Wow. Look at the rabbit. Okay, so this is in, what part of the world is this? Eurasian. It's a Eurasian lynx. It's a little different.

It's like Mongolian, right, down around there. Mongolian steppes. God damn, that's a fascinating subject. I love when we talked about that last time. Temujin. Oh. You know, Genghis Khan.

Like, I love how fascinated you are in those ancient conquerors. Those ancient historical figures. Yeah, listen. They're fascinating. All these guys weren't the guys we thought they were. Alexander the Great was probably smaller than,

shorter than Napoleon. You hear these guys, you think they're big guys. These are little guys. Right. The biggest guy is the guy from Russia, Peter the Great. He's the biggest Concord there ever been. How big was he? About 6'7", something like that.

Oh, wow. Listen, one of the mummies, I forgot, one of them, he was 6'5". He had a real long skeleton. And then when you see the pyramids and you go in there, you have to run this big. You got to crouch. No, you always got to bend down.

This is similar to worshiping God. What do you think, when you see the pyramids, what the fuck do you think happened there? How is that possible? How is it possible that someone can make something that big, that incredible, so many thousands of years ago? I believe humans can do anything. That's what I believe. I believe humans with conviction can do anything.

I believe that too,, I mean, how? How the fuck did they do that? Well, listen, believe it or not, all that we accomplished, we're really not that smart. Okay. Well, definitely not me. Listen, you know the caves in France where they got the writing? Yeah, yeah. The paintings and shit?

The kingdom, right? That's in France. There's no lions in France. There's lions on the wall. But, no, the paintings. He came, though, right? That's in France. There's no lions in France. There's lions on the wall. But no, not only that. Say what, 40,000 years ago, lions didn't have manes. They wrote lions, but they didn't paint the manes. Really?

So 40,000 years ago, they didn't have manes. They painted what they saw. And 40,000 years ago, France was attached to Africa. Really? Yeah, it had to be. In order to have lions in the cave in France, did he write what he saw in Africa and brought it to this cave? Well, one thing I know for sure, Mike,

is that a bunch of mammals died off, they think, around 12,000 years ago. They think at the end of the Ice Age there was a big die-off. A big cat, yeah. A lot of animals in North America. And they were too big to survive. People could see them. they couldn't move fast. Sure, there's a bunch of different stuff. Giant sloths died off.

There was an American lion that was bigger than the African lion that was here that died off. There was the saber tooth. Yeah, there was a saber tooth too, but there was also another one that was an American lion. It was a huge lion that lived here in North America. There was a bunch of wild shit here. And even horses were wild here at one point in time.

And then the Europeans brought them in again. They started here, apparently. This is from this Dan Flores. What do you think about animals and humans breeding? You think that's possible? I think if it was, there would be a lot of like half sheep, half horse, half dog people out there. Thank God we can't. I'm worried about scientists.

That's what I'm worried about. I'm worried about scientists doing something to DNA and making something that's not a person anymore. Something that is like, if a scientist actually made a werewolf, a thing that's part human, part wolf, and said, listen, why would we risk human lives in war if we've all committed to just ground-on-ground combat? Let's make werewolves and send them out. Because we're like big kids. Sometimes we don't like the outcome. Right.

Fuck that. I didn't lose. I didn't want to. Fuck you. I'm going to let the fucking real bomb off now. Click. We're children. That scares the shit out of me. What? That someone could let the fucking real bomb off now. Click. We're children. That scares the shit out of me.

What? That someone could let the real bomb go off again. Why would you be scared about dying? It's not the dying part. It's the dying slowly part. The dying part's not scared. Dying is dying. Death is death.

Death is death. The real problem is the deterioration of all common decency and full chaos. No power, no food, no nothing. You know, a lot of radiation poisoning. A lot of people dead from the initial blast. A lot of people dying from whatever's done to the water and the soil afterwards over the next 50 years. So what are we going to do? Hopefully not blow each other up.

Did you ever get to meet Putin? No, I didn't meet Mr. Putin But I met his, what was this guy's name? He died, come on, the guy with the Gorbachev? He was the president, Mr. Gorbachev You met him? Wow In Georgia or something, what was it, Georgia? Oh yeah, thev. You met him? Wow. In Georgia or something.

What was it, Georgia? Oh, yeah? The country of Georgia? Yeah, the country of Georgia. I hung around in Chetney. I hung around that place a lot. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

What's that like? Interesting. It's different than us. Yeah. It's totally different than we are. We live totally different than us. It's a different culture, and. They live totally different than us. It's a different culture and the history of that country is so brutal.

Well, you know, in order for them to be brutal, they had to have a heavier, stronger power to intimidate them. The only way they could fight them is through, I don't know, what do they call that? Man-to-man combat, use themselves as bombs and stuff like that. How are they going to fight Russia? How are you going to fight Moscow? You're a little small country like that, Chetnyan stuff. Right.

Remember they had the widows of the Chetnyan warriors, the ones that sacrificed their life for Chetnyan. They had the widows of them, and they had kidnapped a bunch of people in the movie theater and they released some kind of gas to kill the the Chetney and warrior women and they killed all the people in the movie theater too Jesus yeah when was that up yeah look that up chest rough fucking part of the world and you know movie been Russian movie theater Chetnyan Terrace so many fighters come out of Russia right now

oh they're the best oh my god listen so many killers they fought the Vikings yep fought the Vikings here we go

before they were Vikings hostage crisis in Moscow theater from 2002 check it out check it out check it out dude so October 23rd 2002 50 Chechen rebel storm theater from 2002. Check it out. Check it out. Check it out, dude. Mm.

So October 23, 2002, 50 Chechen rebels storm a Moscow theater, taking up to 800 people hostage during a sold-out performance of a popular musical. The second act of the musical, Nord Ost, was just beginning in the Moscow ball-bearing plant's palace of culture when an armed man walked on stage and fired a machine gun into the air. The terrorists, including a number of women with explosives strapped to their bodies, identified themselves as members of the Chechen army. They had one demand, that Russian military forces

begin an immediate and complete withdrawal from Chechnya, the war-torn region located north of the Caucasus Mountains. Chechnya, with its predominantly Muslim population, had long struggled to assert its independence. A disastrous two-year war ended in 1996, but Russian forces returned to the region just three years later after Russian authorities blamed Chechens for a series of bombings in Russia. Wow. Okay.

So it was a 57-hour standoff at this palace of culture during which two hostages were killed. Russian special forces surrounded and raided the theater on the morning of October 26th. Later it was revealed that they had pumped a powerful narcotic gas into the building, knocking nearly all of the terrorists and hostages unconscious before breaking into the walls and roof

and entering through underground sewage tunnels. Holy shit. Most of the guerrillas and 120 hostages were killed during the raid. Holy fuck, man. 120 hostages killed from the gas. Not from the gas. Not from the bomb explosions.

Jesus Christ. Saying only a complete surprise attack could have disarmed the terrorists before they had time to detonate their explosives. Wow. They had to defend the decision to use the gas. That's stupid, though. They killed more people than the terrorists did. Well, Jesus fucking Christ.

It's a hard part of the world, Mike. It's a hard part of the world. It's a hard part of the world. But when it's beautiful hard part of the world. It's a hard part of the world. But when it's beautiful, it's beautiful. Yeah. Well, their architecture. Like, look at Moscow. No, I'm talking about the people.

Oh, the people. Oh, yeah, the people are beautiful. Incredible people. Powerful people over there. And hey, listen. They're the most humble people in the world. You know? Oh, man, you just can't believe it.

You know, I don't. Beautiful people. I see this Ukraine tragedy happening on television. And, you know, it's horrific and it's crazy and it's hard to watch. And you're like, why are we doing this? It's 2022. I can't believe a real war is breaking out like this again in a new place. But when we see it, one of the things that's blown me away is all these ukraine fighters that have taken up arms lomachenko the

klitschko brothers usik all these guys that are like huge superstars they're putting on flak jackets and helmets and they're defending their country it's wild to see that's it um they benefit from that country they yeah justice right Wright should band up and fight for it. But do you, I mean, I don't imagine a world where that would be that common in America. Well, listen. I mean, unless we were like legitimately invaded by another country. It started off as, I don't know, a business war, I guess, when Putin, he wanted whatever they possessed. And then people got involved, we got involved,

and it turned into a war of humanity. It's a war of humanity, right? From business to war to humanity. That's where it started. It started for business. Putin wanted something. I don't know what it was that he wanted. I don't know anything, but I just know normally

wars are started because somebody wants something that you possess. And everybody got involved with it. We made it a war of pretty much being humanitarian.

I don't know. Everybody's jumping on the bandwagon, I think. I think it's just, I think people are jumping on the bandwagon. You know what it's made me aware of, too? How much military activity is going on all over the world at any given time. Yeah, we don't know about it. Imagine those third world countries where people are just eliminating other races of Muslims. One Muslim is just eliminating this race of Muslims.

Yeah, people are using Kurds and whatever they are. Bombings. And we know nothing about it. Yeah, we know nothing about it. My friend Dave Smith is always talking about the bombing in Yemen. And he's like, do you know what a horrific genocide is taking place in Yemen? And he talks about these bombings. I'm like, well, try finding that in the news, man.

You don't find anything like that in the news. But one of the days, in the early days of the Russian-Ukraine war, someone put a graph up that showed how many bombings occurred, like how many, I don't know what you would call it when a drone detonates a missile. Like how many of those happened

in other parts of the world and how many of those happened in Russia? Just think how many Afghanistans got crushed with one of those happened in other parts of the world and how many of those happened in Russia? Just think how many Afghanistans got crushed with one of those things you call tanks. How many of these tanks just ran over them. Crushed every bone in their body. Just instantly crushed their lives. There's no compassion in that part of the world. Once the monster is let out, there's no compassion. Right, and war has been going on there for so long now. Since the beginning of time.

Yeah. Since Moses. That's what's really insane about thinking, when you think about a place like Iraq. Like Iraq has a history that goes all the way back to ancient Babylon. But listen. Like ancient Sumer. They destroyed that stuff over there way back to ancient Babylon. It's like ancient Sumer. They destroyed that stuff over there.

Yeah, they did. They're extremists. Anything that threatens Allah, they destroy. It's amazing to watch because these are these beautiful, ancient statues, and they dynamite them. And you're like, wow. They threatened the humanity to those people. No, but it's like to not understand the value of something that's so ancient, so beautiful,

and was created by people thousands and thousands of years ago. People enslaved. The people that made it, you mean? No, listen. I found out, too. Those people. They probably were, but listen. Probably.

Not all the Egyptians were enslaved. No. They did it for God's purpose. Yeah, they think the Egyptians were skilled workers by the food that they ate and where they lived in. I thought it was slavery too. No, it was in the name of God. Well, it kind of makes sense that it wasn't slavery

because I'm sure there was some slavery, right? But I mean, the actual construction of it is so skillful. Like it has to be so precise. Like you can't be off anywhere. Listen, listen. In any direction, and the stones are so big. The Egyptians were big liars. They were lying?

Yeah, they always did pictures. They're very conscious of the image. They were all, they were fat ones. They never showed fat Egyptians. Oh, so the paintings of them. Yeah. Yeah. They're very conscious of the image. They were fat ones. They never showed fat Egyptians. Oh, so the paintings of them. Yeah. They had Egyptians getting high. They don't show that.

They had the cocaine. Put in the cocaine mummy, please. Oh, yeah. They found cocaine residue. Oh, you know that? Yeah. No, no, more than that. Show them the cocaine mummy. They said cocaine in his hair.

In his hair? There's no cocaine on growing in that part of the world. So, you know, they did a lot of traveling and trading. Right. That's right. That's right. Because Colombia has pyramids, too. Cocaine don't grow in that part of the world. They did a lot of traveling and trading. Right. That's right. That's right. Because Colombia has pyramids too.

Yep. Yeah. All those places in Mexico have pyramids. I went to the pyramids in Mexico. Cocaine metabolites in pre-Columbian mummy hair. There it is. Chewing of coccolies. Oh, because of this pre-Columbian populations. Eight Chilean mummies with dates ranging from 2000 bc

to 1500 a.d i think there was an egyptian mummy too though jamie where they found some uh cocaine residue i think we're combining two stories cocaine will use it as a medicine yeah that's a good one too though that's a good one too they were definitely doing coke this one had i believe the egyptian mummy with oh okay cocaine. I can't read that, Jamie. It's too small. A German, 1992, German toxicologist. Say that name. Svetlana Balabanova discovered traces of cocaine, hashish, and nicotine

in Hanut Tawi's hair. I hope I'm saying that right. As well as on the hair of several several other mummies in the museum interesting so they were doing coke cigarettes as well I think they they think there was there was something else that might have registered positive for I think the cocaine was when they did the stuff for painless. They did it for the painkillers.

Whatever it was. I just don't think after these experiments, assuming the cocaine was actually found in the mummies, it's possible there could be contamination which occurred after this discovery of the mummies. Somebody got the mummy hot.

Somebody got the mummy and then they did coke off a mummy? Yeah, get the fuck out of here, man. Could you imagine if that's the story, though? Imagine if I could see that happening. I could see that happening. Come on, man. In my kind of world, I can see that, yeah. If there's a dude who's like, bro, I bet you won't do coke off that mummy.

In fact, I bet you won't sniff something with the mummy. Yes. Sniff something with the mummy in there. Yeah, maybe he was doing a sacrifice off that mummy. Matter of fact, I bet you won't sniff someone with the mummy. Yes. Sniff someone with the mummy in there. Yeah, maybe he was like doing a sacrifice to the mummy. Here's a little coke for you. Hey, let's check out, you know what I read? I read if you take some of the platelets from baby rats and stick it in older rats, they become younger.

Yes, yes. So it was a queen. Was it in Poland? Elizabeth Bathory. She used to bathe in virgin blood. She was like a serial killer, supposedly. But she did, to her platelets and everything, she became younger and youthful.

That's what I read too, but then someone told me that there's a real possibility that she was set up because they wanted her land and so what they did is they made it seem like she was hey let's check it out let's go on the never lying YouTube

Elizabeth Bathory never lying YouTube they felt like she was almost like a vampire like she would bathe in the blood of these young girls that she thought were attractive. She would kill them and bathe in them. But then the thing is, like, if you do know that they were trying to get her land, like, that sounds like something someone would make up back then if you wanted to take someone's shit. Yeah, if you could burn them to a stake they can't fight to.

She's a witch. Especially if you're a respectable person. Yes. People don't know you're a scumbag, really. Especially if you're talking about a witch. Who's going to defend a witch, Mike? She's going to eat your kids. We've got to get rid

of her. We'll divide her land. I'll give you 100 acres for free. I should have it all, really. I thought about this plan. I should have it all and you'll be my butlers. What does it say here? The powerful woman made more so for her control of who this guy?

Oh, okay. So what it says, yeah, Giorgio Thurzo, the Count Palestine of Hungary, was ordered by Matthias. I think it's Matthias, Matthias, Matthias, then King of Hungary to investigate. I think it's Matthias, Matthias, Matthias, then king of Hungary to investigate. The Count Palatine determined after taking depositions from the people living in the area surrounding her estate that Bathory had tortured and killed more than 600 girls with the assistance of her servants. Wow. Okay, that's a lot. That's poor.

No way. No way. 600 men. Come on. The whole judicial system was down for this man they were in this together it could be a setup on december 30th 1609 bathory and her servants were arrested the servants were put on trial in 1611 and three were executed although never tried bathory was confined to her chambers at the castle Catechist. She remained there until she died, baby. Yeah, she died in a hole.

They just left her in a fucking cell. What year? She died in 11? The fact that a large debt was owned by Matthias to Bathory was canceled by her family in exchange for permitting them to manage her captivity, suggests that the acts attributed to her were politically motivated slander that allowed relatives to appropriate her lands. Women with land, they wouldn't give her that much power. But women with land, they're going to take that stuff. So it says, documents from the 1611 trial supported the accusations made against her.

Modern scholarship has questioned the veracity of the allegations because Bathory was a powerful woman and made more so by her control of Nadazdi's holdings after his death. And so

there was a lot of money involved so Matthias owed money to Bathory and that money was cancelled out for permitting them to manage her captivity. Listen, it never changes. Money, money, and love. Money and love never changes. But what a good story, if it was real.

It was really an old rich lady killing young girls and bathing in their blood. Hey, but listen, I saw the platelets of young rats make older rats younger. And the opposite. When you put old rat blood in a young rat, they behave slowly and tired. Yeah. There was a thing that was going around. They were saying that billionaires, tech billionaires were doing that. And that they were getting young people were donating blood and they were getting young blood transfused into their blood.

But I heard that was horse shit. Is that horse shit? Or is that real? I know any way a person could extend his life, he'd do it. A lot of people would. If he could extend his life another year. Especially if it changes the quality of your life. You feel young again. That would be the only reason.

Other than that, there would be no reason for doing it. You're still vulnerable to death, especially accidents and stuff. What was that all about? According to this story in the BBC, it says there was 100 people that participated in a clinical trial in San Francisco. Which might have been the— Right, but there was an actual company that was advertising. Remember that?

And we were like, is this a parody? Because we had heard, like, Peter Thiel or some of the rich billionaire type characters. You know, that was always like the rumor that they were investing in these companies. But listen, you know they took these guys at one time off the street and tried this psychedelics on them to see how it affects them and stuff. That's for sure. The CIA did a lot of that. So imagine, that's like Hitler did. He let people escape and know they'd be back in two hours

because they'd be addicted to a certain kind of shitty. Oh, really? Yeah, that's what I heard. He would let them go. You know, they had all kinds of creepy stories. Well, we know for a fact the government did all kinds of crazy shit with LSD in like the 1950s and the 1960s. They had all these MK Ultra mind control experiments.

LSD helped a lot of people. It did help a lot of people. Helped a lot of people. It cooked a lot of people's brains, too. You know, that's the price you pay for greatness, right? Yeah. Well, I think it's a dose thing. I think there's a certain dose where you really shouldn't cross a line.

This is what I believe. I believe we're made of all this stuff. And that's why when we take it, we get that respond to it. For sure, there's something, like one of the things they say about the strongest drugs, like the Toad, like 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine, is that it's the most, all the really strong ones are the ones that are more closely related

to the normal human neurochemistry. Like the actual chemicals your brain makes, because it makes those chemicals. There's white cobra. They use that, too. Oh, really? Yeah, lizard's tail. Is that like a venom?

That's heroin. That's natural heroin. Really? Yeah, that and lizard's tail. The lizard's tail, that's natural heroin. Really? Yeah, some of these animals are naturally toxic. I know they use that venom, too.

Natural heroin. Look up snake, white cobra venom. toxic. I know they use that venom too. In natural heroin. Look up snake, white cobra venom. See what they say. I think of the thing in China they do, white cobra venom. How the fuck does anybody find that out?

Accidentally. All the animals are descendants from actual gods. Snake venom use as a substitute for opioids. Wow. A case report and review of literature. The mind-altering agents such as tobacco, cannabis, and opium have been widely used since the evolution of the human being. Substances have been widely used for recreational purposes. However, derivatives from reptiles and snakes, reptiles and scorpions can also

be used for recreational purposes as a substitute for other substances. The use is rare and related literature is very scanty. In this report, we present a case of snake venom abuse and review the existing literature. Wow. That's crazy.

Dudes were doing snake venom. Holy shit. It's big in China. It were doing snake venom. Holy shit. It's big in China. Real big in China. Holy shit. Look up Lizard's Tale, if you don't mind. Imagine getting so high you want to get high with snake venom.

No. Let's take a chance. That's what they did. The ancients did. I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. They did with ergot. They did it with a fungus that mimics LSD.

They found that in their wine jars. Apparently, all the wine they had back then was mixed with stuff. And when we die, we become fungus, too. Yep. Yeah. Well, the fungus will devour us. And something will eat us and get high. Some animals will eat us and pass out and then bug out.

Isn't it kind of rude that we take our bodies and make it use formaldehyde, and then when you put it in the ground, it doesn't rot? Isn't that kind of rude? No, I think— It's like we're not giving back. I think we give back by living. As soon as we go on the ground, we're going to be eating. The bugs and rats are going to go in our skull and our eyes and everything. Does lizard tail lacing heighten cannabis addiction?

Check it out. There's a story I saw about a guy in jail that couldn't get weed, so he started drying and smoking lizard tails. For an instant high, it said. Wow. That's ridiculous. It got bipolar effect, huh? Jesus Christ.

Smoking lizard tails. People will do anything to escape their current state of mind. You know? They'll try almost anything. Getting high since the beginning of time. The cavemen fucking did something with grass and rocks. Everybody did some kind of wine it was, I believe. Even the cavemen had something they got high off of.

I'm sure there was all kinds of plants that you could eat that get you fucked up in some way, like tobacco. You could eat tobacco. Tobacco by itself, it's a stimulant. It does something to your brain. I wonder if they just would chew the leaves. I wonder how they first started using tobacco before they smoked it. When you do tobacco, a good grade of tobacco,

you start getting ready. Get real antsy. Yeah, you ready to get that energy. Energy, right? Yeah. Cigars give me energy. Cigarettes do too. That's why I don't, nicotine not good,

but every now and then I need to roll a blunt. Yeah, I love blunts. Before I wake up. Ooh, and I'm gone. Before working out. Different kind of high right oh man yeah that's the best high the blunt high is the best high yeah it's tobacco is one of them that's another one of them is uh the coca leaves apparently if you don't make

cocaine out of it you just chew the leaves yeah it's great they say it's great they do that in columbia that's all they do yeah coca leaves yeah and they put the paste the cocoa paste yeah that shit's all they do, do the cocoa leaf. Yeah. And they put the paste, the cocoa paste. Yeah, that shit's all illegal here though. Too many people like it, you know. Listen,

it's the food of the gods. That's what it is. A lot of it is. Food of the gods. Yeah, it's probably the gateway to the gods. There was a book that this guy wrote in the 1970s, guy named John Marco Allegro he wrote a book on psychedelic mushrooms and Jesus it was called the sacred mushroom in the cross and he was a one

of those guys that decoded the Dead Sea Scrolls so he was a scholar and he was also an ordained minister but he became agnostic after he started reading all this biblical literature and stuff and realizing that a lot of these stories come from older and older stories so he reads this thing for 14 years and decodes and he comes up with this theory that christianity was really based around psychedelic mushrooms and fertility cults and this whole story about what Jesus is, like the word Jesus in this guy's translation of ancient Sumerian is a mushroom covered in God's semen.

But Jesus' story goes all the way back to Babylon. Yeah, exactly. His story about the warrior. It's all very similar. The warrior killed and his wife fooled around on him and they said the baby came from him and he's the seed of the God. And so they made that into Jesus. So to say.

I don't know if it's true. I don't know if it's true either. But he had the same story. He thinks the origins of that story is all psychedelic mushrooms. That's what he thinks. He thinks people, ancient people, found these psychedelic mushrooms and get connected to God. And through eating them, they developed this moral and ethical framework of how to live. God gave them visions of how to

do things the right way. And he thinks it all came from the consumption of these psychedelic mushrooms. And this guy was a straight academic. He wasn't a crazy person. He wasn't like some Timothy Leary guy who's like off the deep end. He was a straight-laced, sober academic who came up with this theory. It's very interesting stuff. We know nothing about us. What do we know about the human race? What do we know? That's who we really are, human.

Are we really human? Do you think we're human? That's the name they gave us. Do you really think we're human? What are we really? What are we? Here's the weird one, Mike. We're so much different than everything else that's here.

So much different. We're so far ahead of everything else that's here. We're so far ahead and then still far behind. Well, so almost kind of unnatural in a way, right? Like we're struggling with our nature more so than any other animal. A wolf doesn't wonder what it's being a wolf the right thing to do? Is this the right life for me?

Maybe I'm in the wrong gender. Like a wolf doesn't give a fuck. It just lives. That's what separates us from animals. So supposedly. Exactly. Our rationale. We can reason. Yes, we can reason and we can consider. That's what separates the fox from all the other animals in the jungle. He can reason. Yes, we can reason and we can consider. That's what separates the fox from all the other animals in the jungle. He can reason.

Right. He can think. The other ones, they're only instincts. Right. They have instincts. He has reason. Well, chimps have instincts, too. They do some wild shit.

They set traps for monkeys. That David Attenborough documentary. I saw that. He's detailing how they're setting the traps. They go this way chasing that way, the other ones are going this way. One's waiting, so somehow or another they're communicating with each other.

And they run right into him, he runs right into the other monkey. The monkey's right there, he runs right into him. And he sees him and the monkey just grabs him, boom. Oh my goodness. So easy, doesn't even think for a while, boom. That's, the amount of power they must have in their body must be insane.

Like to feel what it would feel like to like wrestle with a 160 pound chimp. It would probably be, you probably would feel, it would feel like they would just snap your arms right off. It'd be outmatched. It would be ridiculous. Though just the physical strength that something, the size of a human has.

We can't out, we can't out fight them, we can't out live them, we can't out fuck them, we can't out do nothing compared to them. imagine those ones they found in the Congo that are six feet tall,

300 plus pounds. Just solid jack chimpanzee just eating, they found one eating a jaguar, Mike. They found it eating a dead jaguar. They don't know

if it killed a jaguar or if it just found a jaguar dead and started consuming it. And jaguars are a match for anything. It's a big-ass cat. He's a match for it. He's the third biggest cat in the world, but he's a match for anything. That's a big fucking cat. He's a match for a gorilla. Actually, it would be a leopard.

It's because it's in Africa. The jaguar is in South America, so it's a leopard. A leopard is what they found them killing. They found them eating, rather. They don't know if the chimp is still a big-ass cat. They're hard to beat. These cats are hard to beat with these claws and these teeth. They're fast as lightning.

Yeah, they don't know. Hard to beat. But the locals do have a name for them. They call them lion killers. It's a very controversial subject because there's not that many of them. It's very hard to get where they are to study them. But they have photos of them. They have skin tissue.

They have skulls. They have all these things that indicate there's something different about these chimps. You know the lions? Yeah. They rip your skin when they rip you. They rip your core. They hit you right into your muscle.

They rip you out, man. Yeah. It's not easy fighting those big cats. Well, our skin is so bullshit compared to theirs. You know, like, even dogs. Like, if a dog gets bit by another dog, you go and check it, you're like, there's no blood. Like, it didn't even make them bleed.

Listen, the lions, they take chunks out you, man. They scratch you. It's crazy. And they get on their back and they gut you. Oh, Jesus. When you're on top of you, they get you on top of you and they gut you. We're so soft in comparison. But a chimp's not.

A big-ass chimp has thick skin like a cat does. But we have this. Supposedly, we have this. Yeah. Yeah. cat does but we have this supposedly we have this yeah do you think it's possible that human beings were at least our evolution was pushed along by something else like if evolution is real do you think it's possible that something came down here and manipulated it why did everything get smaller why did the animal and the people started

getting smaller? Because we don't have to use our bodies. We used to be giants. They also have the cyclops disease. Can you look that up? Well, there's occasionally some giants. They had stories of human cyclops, so they thought it was true.

They found out there's a cyclops disease. In ancient times, there was a cyclops disease when you're born with one. Oh Whoa, so I want to look it up. What the fuck? That's crazy Yeah So it was a disease and so they would found it's like it's like or something. It was like being um Just having a physical deformity. Yeah, wow.

But it was a common deformity? Yeah, cyclops disease. Or enough so that they knew it? It was just one eye right in the head. Whoa. Did you see it in there? Yeah. Wow.

That's fucking insane. It's called cyclopia. Wow. I always thought that was a myth. I never knew that there was an actual disease. You're talking to me when you're talking about this. I'm like Alex Jones in ancient times. Can you make that a little bit bigger, Jamie?

Right there? Yeah. Cyclopia is derived from the Greek word cyclops, meaning ring-eyed. It's a rare condition that causes a child to be born with one eye, no nose, and a proboscis, a nose-like growth above the eye. Brother, I need to hit nothing. Oh, there you go. I'm telling you, nigga. However, it isn't that a baby has one eye,

it's a severe malformation of the baby's brain early in the pregnancy. Oh, wow, so both of the, cyclopia often results in miscarriage or stillbirth. Survival after birth is mostly a matter of a few hours. Doctors also call it holoprosenthephaly. Prosenthephaly. Holoprosenthephaly. Say 10,000 years, 100,000 years ago, maybe they did something where they were able to be accepted into the world.

I don't know. It says there's no way to prevent it and there's no cure. into the world. I don't know. It says there's no way to prevent it and there's no cure. Most cases of cyclopia are usually detected early

if you receive the proper prenatal care. So this is talking about humans to this day still get it. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy.

What was the guy named that wrote the Trojan War with his name again? Homer. Homer made a monster out of the guy. Maybe there was a few that lived that were big.

Whoa. What happened? They got skulls? I don't know. there was a few that lived that were big. Whoa. What happened? They got skulls? I don't know. What do you got there? Just skulls? I don't know what this is. I saw the skulls, too.

I don't know if they're real skulls, but check them out. The weirdest skulls, Mike, are those skulls. Oh. I don't like that. Oh. Is that real? That might be real. I don't even know what that is.

Let me see that again. There's a lot. Let me see that again. That's a lot for me, too. I think that's real, dude. That's exactly what they were talking about, a proboscis above the eye. Man, anything can happen to us. We don't know who we are.

We could be born like fish. Exactly. We could look like. Yeah, exactly. We're just used to this. Whatever it is to be a person, we're used to it, but it's not normal. Listen, check this out. How much does

the skeleton way all of this is in the way we're in the way I want to say it's about 18 pounds I'm probably a little left I go left in that's what do you think I don't know 14 14 pounds that's 15% of total body weight Oh Always I mean bone density right Right The skeleton I typed in skeleton It's saying like skeleton weighs about 12 to 15% of your body weight Okay

That's not what I heard Yeah I heard it was like a It's pretty specific Really It's really It's nothing It's carrying all this stuff We're mostly meat and water.

You know? 20 pounds? Oh, so 20 pounds average. But then if you're a weightlifter, I bet it's probably heavier. But probably not that much, right? It's just the fact that 20 pounds is holding all this shit. I know, it's nuts. And then all the joints and tendons and ligaments and shit.

How many times have you ever had to have surgery? I don't know, for like motorcycle accidents. Really? Nothing from fighting. Nothing from fighting? No. Wow, that's crazy. Only stitched up any butt heads or something.

Other than that, nothing. What did you do in a motorcycle accident? I busted my lungs and shattered my back, and I still fight. Oh, my God. That was from a motorcycle crash? Yeah. Wow. Oh, it fucked up.

I broke my shoulder. And then I never knew it was broken. The doctor said, how long was your shoulder broken? I said, my shoulder's never been broken. He said, yes, it is. It's broken. I never knew my shoulder was broken. That's crazy.

You just let it heal? Yeah, I just let it is. It's broken. I never knew my shoulder was broken. That's crazy. You just let it heal? Yeah, I just let it heal. Wow. I didn't even know. If I knew, I wouldn't have went to the doctor. Right. That was one of the craziest post-fight interviews ever, where you were explaining that you broke your back.

I meant what I really meant is that my back was chipping away. That little by little, it started chipping away. Uh-huh. Yeah. Backs are a motherfucker because as soon as they start going You're finished. And the real question

is you can't sit down too much, you gotta be active. You gotta stay mobile. Once you keep sitting around the sciatica fits, I don't care how healthy you are or how much in shape it comes in. You sit too much, you're looking at home watching television. You ever fuck with yoga?

No, I probably need to. I just thought of it right now when you said that. I was like, goddamn, Mike would be great at yoga because you would get obsessed with it. It's hard to do. Yeah. It's fucking hard. My family don't like my obsession habit.

Of course they don't, but that's how you become a Mike Tyson. You have to be an obsessed person. I'll be in the home. I won't eat for days. Baby, it's time.

Baby, Ramadan is over. Are you fasting? Yeah, periodically. Listen, I can't even believe I did this for a guy. Fasting is a weird one. People get really into it.

They get a couple of days in. Sometimes because it's a narcotic, a natural narcotic. Yeah? Yeah, definitely. What does it feel like when you do it? I've never fasted for more than a day. Hey, sometimes you forget to eat the whole day. It's just, I can't even explain it.

It's euphoric, but you can't even explain it. You euphoric you totally forget to eat at night time you forget to eat it's just intense the really calm intensity it's gotta be good to give your digestive system a break every now and then I mean it only makes sense that that's a good idea people eat too much as it is

for sure we as a race human beings as a race we eat too much as it is. For sure. We as a race. Yeah. We as a race. Human beings as a race, we eat too much as it is. Yeah, we overconsume. And not only do we eat too much, we eat what kills us quicker. I know.

And it's everywhere. That's the other thing. What kills us quicker is all over the place. Yeah. And in certain countries, only you don't sell all that fat, all that product, like in sweet and the sun. Right. You don't sell all that fat, all that product like in sweeteners. You're not going to eat all this stuff with all this magical motions and food products in there. Yeah, all the shit that preserves things, all the weird stuff that gives people inflammation.

We got a lot of that in our diets. Yeah. Some of these cultures, they ain't going to feed you all this fat and sugar stuff. It's not going to do it. Think about in the 80s, right? Everybody in Russia was in shape. They must have put a national shape there. Everybody was in shape in the 80s in Russia.

Really? All those countries, those communist countries, they were all in shape. They all won gold medals at the Olympics all the time. They were always in shape, always in better condition than Americans. You saw when they did the statistics on how many overweight Americans they are? It's crazy. Ooh. And the guys that don't even look overweight are overweight.

Right. Because they don't have any muscle. They're just all fat, even if they're not that big, you're still obese. Yeah. It's very common. Because it's the diet. It's so easy to eat cheeseburgers. It's so easy to pull into a drive-thru.

It's nothing wrong with doing it every now and then. No, but we do it constantly. Constantly. You know, when I was a little kid, we didn't have enough money to buy stuff. We had to get free food. Right. Free lunches. We weren't like, you know, we just didn't have

any money, you know? It's just, you wouldn't believe America would do that to people. You just leave people with no money.

It's no matter what you are, Puerto Rican, black, from poor, white, there's no option to live or anything. You're on your own.

If you make it, you make it. If you don't, you don't. This is the only country that's like that, I believe. What do you think that is? Do you make it you make it if you don't you don't yeah this is the only country that's like that I believe it's what do you think that is do you think it's people not understanding what it's like to be that poor no it's about survival of the fittest I know it sounds bad doesn't sound good in this country

that's what it's all about a perfect world without struggle there's no progress they did this hey they did this this study with rats where utopia, rat utopia, looked at where they gave the rats all the food and all the space they want and all the women and sex they want, and they wind up all killing each other. Really? Yeah, and dying out. Because they broke up. Once they had everything they wanted, they break up in sets and groups.

And they start raping and fighting and killing each other. And then they stop breathing. And they just all die out. So without struggle, there's no progress. In a perfect world, we're all fucking dead. Wow. That's heavy because it makes sense. It makes sense that the rats would need some sort of conflict.

There'd be the rats that are the aggressive ones here, the non-aggressive. And then there's a group of rats, they're aggressive, but they only consider, they only think about being clean. They stay clean and they have aggressive ones too, but cleanliness is what you notice about them. Then you have the victim mouse over there, then you have the aggressive, violent ones over here. Wow.

We done a lot of fucked up studies on rats. Think about it. Well, we, cause we're the rats. We're the big rats. The bigger brains supposedly. We definitely don't look at all animals the same way. Right? With rats, we feel like we're allowed

to do experiments on them. Rats and monkeys. Like if we do experiments on puppies, people get real mad. Monkeys too. Yeah, monkeys too. Rats and monkeys. We do experiments on puppies, people get real mad. Monkeys too. Yeah, monkeys too. They feel like monkeys are almost like you have to do it. But they look at rats as, ugh, they're disgusting.

They don't look at them as nice, pretty little white rats. They look at those rats as in the gutter. Because those are the rats they use, the nice little white rats. Yeah. Yeah, doing experiments on monkeys is hardcore. Yeah, doing experiments on monkeys is hardcore. The reason they do rats, because rats and roaches, they have the highest survival rate. Oh, yeah.

That's why they do tests. We do tests. Because they're robust. They're robust mammals. They're hard to kill. Real hard to kill. From a survival basis, I'm talking about cats and stuff hunting them, not human beings. Even us involved, they're very difficult to kill. Did you ever see that Netflix documentary on rats?

No. It's fucking amazing. It's crazy. They're so intelligent they were. They're so intelligent they'll send a young rat to check out something to see if it's poison. They're like, why don't you go check? And that guy goes over there and eats it and they watch him and if he dies they go, mm-mm. Listen, roosters do that too. Do they really? If they see a rooster they don't like they rush him and pluck him and when he starts bleeding, once you start bleeding all the other chickens start

pecking you. Wow. And if he's gonna fight you over a woman he'll push you outside if you see the shadow of a hawk or something. He'll push you outside for the hawk. These guys are extremely smart. A rooster. A fucking rooster. Wow. They get jealous. Makes sense, man. Birds are clever. They're a lot more clever than we ever thought they were. Like when they started doing those intelligence tests on crows and ravens,

they're like, holy shit. Listen, a pigeon, how do you get a pigeon to fly from a thousand miles from here to there? Right. And every time you take him, he goes back. And you hold him there for five years and let him go and he goes back. How the fuck is that happening? I don't know.

I fly birds. I don't know. When you were flying those birds, did you ever wonder, like, how were they communicating? How were they figuring it out? What are they using? Hey, this is scientific i guess when birds fly just like us um it's electric right some kind of electric uh what is electric electromagnetic some kind of vibe that right that's how it helps the birds to migrate right it's some some kind of electricity that. I can't really, I don't even know how to explain it to you.

I know what you're saying, I don't know how to explain it either, but I know what you're saying. I did read about that. But we're all static, we're electric, all of us. We have that electric stuff. That's like when we touch each other, we almost electrocute each other every now and then,

you touch your body. Yeah, static. Jamie, Philip, how do birds navigate? Because I think that's what they do. I think they use the poles, like the magnetic poles. It's not magnetic, yeah. I think it's all guesswork, though. They're trying to figure out how they do it.

But the way they do it. How do you know to be responsible to take a whole platoon of birds that have never been south and you're taking them south. They've never been south before, but we're going south. How do they know to go south? And they all stay in line. If they've all been in this one place breathing,

now we've got to go south. Or else one place hanging out, now we've got to go south and breathe. That's a whole different kind of animal. Something that flies. No wild that must be. To just all that bullshit going on the ground, you don't have to fuck with that.

You just get up in the sky. But listen, listen. You still gotta come down and eat like everybody else. Yes. You still gotta come off the throne and eat. You definitely do, but what a wild way to live. You know, swooping down on shit. Well, you gotta worry about shit swooping down

on you too. True. Researchers have discovered a small spot on the beak of pigeons and some of the birds that contains magnetite. See? Magnetite is a magnetized rock which may act as a tiny GPS unit for the homing pigeon

by giving it information about its position relative to Earth's poles. Holy fuck. Researchers have also found some specialized cells in birds' eyes that may help them see magnetic fields. Wow. It is thought that birds can use both the beak magnetite and the eye sensors to travel long distances over areas that do not have many landmarks, such as the ocean.

That's incredible. In humans, deposits of magnetite have been found in bones in our noses. Do you think we use the Earth's magnetic field to know which way we are headed? Wow, I wonder. Even humans. Maybe that's something like the appendix that we grew out of. I don't know. Some people just walk. As you know some people just just walk

as kids some people just walk they walk for miles or something just walk yeah maybe they have a better sense maybe it's something that like atrophies without use you know a bear find out how far a bear could smell oh my god a polar bear how far can a polar bear smell oh polar bears their their noses are like nine times stronger than a bloodhound. They can smell a period for so many. Oh, I can only imagine. A period of another bear? Polar bear can smell seals and other animals up to nine kilometers, 5.6 miles away. They can even smell the breathing holes seals create in the ice from almost one kilometer.

seals create in the ice from almost one kilometer. So although polar bear hunting ranges can span several hundred miles, their sharp olfactory sense helps keep them fed. So they smell for miles and miles, and they know which way to go. So if a polar bear has a period or if any animal's wounded or bleeding. 20 miles. I know, that was something like that. It was even more than that. They can smell a seal on ice 20 miles away.

That is fucking crazy. Hold on, put that up again. That is so crazy. Sniff out a seal's den that has been covered in snow and even find a seal's air hole in ice up to one mile away. Wow. Well, they have to have that. Can you imagine what that's, imagine that thing smelling a tiger fart?

It could smell for miles away. Miles away. Someone explained to me the way a dog smells by, they were talking about skunk. Like, you know, a skunk, it only takes like a few parts per million, and you can smell a skunk like you know skunk can only it only takes like a few parts per million and you could smell skunk like there's a weird smell like when the skunk gets killed by a car in your neighborhood like everybody smells it for like a mile away that's the only smell that we know that's like that that's like an organic smell and he was saying now imagine that plus times ten

for everything like Like everything. He said a dog, like a bloodhound, can smell not just your cheeseburger. They can smell the ketchup. Ketchup, yeah. They can smell the pickles. They can smell the cheese. They smell the bun. Bears does as well.

Yeah. A bear is nothing but the dog of the fucking jungle. Yeah, exactly. That's all a bear is. A bear is in the dog family. Did you ever see the short-faced bear? No. You ever see that thing? It looked like a dog?

It's a giant bear that lived, again, during the Ice Age. And they think it might have even prevented people from crossing over that land bridge between Asia and North America. They think it might have been habitat look at the size of that look at the size of that fucking thing that's a short-faced bear they think he might have inhabited that that area in between the two continents and it's they were so predatory that it would have prevented travel like look how big that is yeah well you could tell

he couldn't live long because he um he had to run it down because everything else would be too small for him right he had to be able to run the um his prey down yeah he's look at the way he's built yeah i mean that's not built like a bear like we think of that short-faced bear the way the length of the limbs it looks like something that could run fast that's what's terrifying he's not gonna he going to do good in the prairie, but he's not going to do good coming down the hills and going up mountains. I don't know what he's going to do good at, but he's going to do good at eating people.

I'll tell you that. That's why he didn't survive. That's why he didn't survive. He was too big. Probably. You could see him. Yeah, probably. They probably hunted him to extinction.

I mean, if you found out that something like that was out there killing everybody. No, you find out you can stay warm from its coat. Eat its meat. That's true, too. They were eating bears, too, back then. I know. Oh, they eat them now. Yeah, bears are edible.

That's a big risk back then. You know, all you have is like spears. What are those things called when they have like a spear? An atlatl, right? Is that what it's called well listen they killed woolly mammoths they're bigger than vicious and beers yeah listen we're the top pet um apex predator there's nobody nobody could reach our level nobody's as vicious as we are more um rational and thinking well definitely not today today we're

running the food chain it There's no question. And that's one of the weird things about human conflict. You're talking about we always have to have some kind of conflict. Like we were talking about the rat study. That exists with us too, right? Yeah, you have to have conflict. There's no doubt about it.

If you can, if you don't have nobody to fight, you find somebody to fight, you make somebody to fight. Right, you gotta either make your own conflict or you choose to do something. Or cause conflict. It's human nature. It is, right? Even from nice people. It's just human nature.

It's just who you are. It's just what you are. You're not good or bad. You just are. You know when you see that, Mike? You see when nice people get real aggressive about certain issues that they care about. Yeah. You see they get, whether it's like a woman's right to choose, abortion rights. Yeah. people get real aggressive about certain issues that they care about yeah you see

they get whether it's like a woman's right to choose abortion rights yeah real aggressive like nice people could say real mean horrible things if it's about that's that's yeah you talk about you know I don't even say my daughter a part of the unit. The young ladies that want to become men. I'm a big supporter. I have a daughter that's in that, I don't know, what do you call it? That group. It's a community.

And I love her. I respect her. So I respect the community. That's pretty much I know. She's a part of the community, and she's very aggressive, like you were saying. I had a young man named Lil Bootsy, a young rapper. You have to know, he has to curse a lot in his music and stuff. And he said something negative about Dwayne Wade's son.

I believe he has a gay son or something, and he said something disrespectful about him. And my daughter came to my, she lives in New York. She came from New York to Los Angeles because she knew I was interviewing this guy. Came in the room and sat down and said, what do you think? Who do you think you are to talk about people like that

that don't even talk about you? They didn't say nothing about you. Why did you have talk and i'm like whoa and i said where did this come from i didn't know she was coming here i said what is she doing here what does she know why is she right it's disrespecting my space it comes in my like coming here right now your sister your daughter coming here right now and looks at this guy and said hey who do you think you are talking to Dwayne Wade's son and I'm like hey how did this how do I handle this this guy's gonna say something stupid and then I'm gonna lose my job because I have to defend my daughter even if she's wrong I have to defend this guy disrespectful and I'm glad this guy was respectful enough and he's a dignified guy and had more respect than people thought he did.

And he listened out. And, man, it was just interesting to see somebody that I brought into this world handle an issue. Do you understand that? Yeah, I do. Somebody that I love is willing to die for some issue. I don't really, I have no, you know, I don't know. I'm not against them.

I don't really, I have no, you know, I don't know. I'm not against them. But now I'm with these people without even wanting to be involved with this in a way. Do you understand what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah, that's a, you know, when your child asserts themselves in a way that's very powerful to them, it means a lot to them. It changes your thoughts of whatever that thing are.

My thoughts is they're right or wrong. I'm just there to fight. I don't care. They're right or wrong. I'm just there. You're the father. Yeah. That's the strongest bond in the world.

That'd be the most terrifying situation ever. The most terrifying situation ever. We get in an argument with your daughter. One of yours right there. She's meaner than I was. You don't want to get involved with her. It's not than I was. You don't want to get involved with her. It's not funny at all. You don't want to get angry.

I don't use the word bitch and stuff and like chick and broad and stuff if I'm around her. I get it. Whoa. Not worth it. No. No.

Lady, I got to say, him or her, whatever she tells me to say, this is what I say she's mean all the women on the price side of my family who's my mother they don't take no crap don't take no crap

there's a lot of women fighters now that's an interesting turn of events over the last, like, two decades. A lot of women UFC fighters. I said one day I gave Rose, remember Rose? Rose is hot.

I said, and the Chinese girl that was fighting, Mike doesn't know nothing about boxing, he's an idiot, and she wanted to fight me. I'm so happy Rose knocked her out. Oh, Jean-Louis Lee? I thought she was going to kill Rose. Because I said, well, Rose is hot.

And she said, well, it's obvious that Mike Tyson doesn't know nothing about the fight game and this and that. I wonder if she really said that, though, because someone had to translate that from Chinese. No, listen, I'm sure she said that. I'm sure she said that. I'm trying to let her off the hook. I'm sure she said it. She didn't fool her. And I'm thinking she's going to kill Rose.

Rose clocked her. Oh, God, thank God. Rose caught her with a high kick. Beautiful kick. Beautiful kick. And the second fight was really good, too. She fought her twice? Yeah, they fought a second time.

What happened there? Rose won a decision. And it was a really good fight. Really good fight. See, Rose surprised us. She thought she was going to come kick Rose pretty ass. Rose is no joke, man. Well, no, not at all.

She's so serious. And when she was, before that fight, this was, I talked to her about it in the post-fight interview. She was standing there while they're introducing the fighters. She's sitting there going, I'm the best. I'm the best. I'm the best. She just kept saying that. That's what I say in that fight.

She just kept saying it. You bet. The best in the world. The best. There's nobody that can match me. I'm the best ever. I'm the sick kid, right? But you were right. At the time, you were she's saying that she was right too she was right

she channeled it like she made it she's ready yeah she's just going i'm the best i'm the best and then when i interviewed her afterwards she goes yeah i am the best and we were laughing it was really funny like Like I asked her about it. Look at her cry. Buffer was saying your name. You were saying to yourself, I'm the best. I'm the best. I am the best. I mean, come on. How do you not love her? You saw who we are. There's no doubt about that now. Shit.

I mean, look at her crying like that Crazy thing man it's a crazy thing to see fighting so emotional yes people understand fighting is so spiritual there's there's a lot to that when you're expressing yourself in a fight when you watch like a perfect performance. I mean, the excited energy that spreads from people watching that all over the world. Like if somebody watched one of your great

knockouts, if you were watching it live, all these people watching together this excited burst of energy goes through the whole world. I always wish I could be in the stands watching me fight. Did anybody do that that way for you?

Was there one guy who you used to like to watch fight live? Shit, Duran. Duran. Duran, when it's in like, I wasn't around in the 70s, but like in 79, 80, 81, 82, shit. Yeah. His whole career in the 80s, what a monster. Most people don't even know the Duran pre-Welterweight.

They think of Duran as being Welterweight, but the Ken Buchanan days. Seven years undefeated champion. He was a vicious motherfucker at lightweight. My God, he was good. Fuck. That was probably his best division, right? Yeah. He was just an intelligent savage exactly and he when he gained when he went up in weight he was out boxing these

mad monsters like yeah um haggler and these guys just boxing they thought haggler was gonna kill him yeah and haggler was haggler back then yeah he was the whole 12 or 15 rounds whatever it was crazy close decision too it was a close fight went well even when he was the whole 12 or 15 rounds, whatever it was. Crazy, close decision too. It was a close fight. Well, even when he fought Davey Moore, people thought he was crazy. Oh, I was at that fight. Were you really?

I was 18, I was at that fight. When I was 18, I was 18, 17, I was at that fight. I'll never forget. It was 82, 83. I didn't watch that fight live, because I was sad, because it was like post-No Mas. Yo. Durant went through a period of darkness, right? didn't watch that fight live because i was sad because it was like post no mas yo duran went through a period of darkness right but i saw like um david moore at the time had like nine fights

10 fights man had what 85. he had a lot of fights he had a lot of fights in his career yeah he had a lot of fights and when he dropped davey moore, I was right that the crowd wasn't quick. I couldn't believe it. Listen, it was nothing but 19,850 Latinos, okay? That holds 20,000, man. Wow. Only 500 people, probably 200 people were Latino, okay? Hey, but 19,000 people, 800, that was all Latino. Did you see, is it called The four kings what is that document yeah yeah um the children haggler yeah i saw that haggler leonard tommy hearns duran and they they followed their career they followed their ascension and they weren't afraid to fight

each other oh man they fought each other in wars, man. Crazy. They would never do that now. Well, I mean, maybe if you stirred the right amount of money around. But listen, Durant and Hearn, they made more money than the welterweights do now. Probably, right? No, they did. They had $7,000, $20 million, I mean, $7 million, $20 million fights. These welterweights, nobody in this welterweight gets $20 million fights. It's probably Pacquiao, but nobody in here gets that kind of money like Lyndon Duran got

they kind of have to all fight it out right yeah the best fought the best that's why they got the most money do you think that's possible today like if that would be the possible if you had a tournament that would get together like Terrence Crawford Errol Spence

all these guys I mean Pacquiao's kind of I think he's retired I think he's still fighting to still beat some of these guys I mean Pacquiao's kind of I think he's retired I think he's done he can still fight he can still beat some of these guys he still can yes

he still he just beat Thurman Thurman's no bum at no measure at all no not at all he dropped him with a right hand

sneaky right hand the guy that he fought the Cuban guy that guy was just awkward long arms and stuff he should have fought somebody else

well it was a big change an opponent right yeah who's he supposed to fight he's supposed to fight a big name guy right the guy put but this guy just one of those Cuban fighters he's awkward hard to fight and it's gonna be tough for Spinks I mean Spence too this guy's gonna give Spence some problems too I think I might be wrong Spence might hit him on the chin and he's knocking cold. Spence has serious power. It's good to see. He needs to be more active.

Yeah. Consistency. Right. Well, he did go through that crazy car accident. Remember he flipped his Ferrari? Listen, we forget that, don't we? This guy should be insane. He should be dead.

Yeah. He should be dead. I mean, he's so fortunate that he's alive. That's what I mean. He should be one of these insane toms. His brain should be rattled up. Dude, he's so lucky. You saw him fly off the car? Yeah, he's so lucky he's alive. He's fortunate that he's alive. That's what I mean. He should be in one of these insane tombs. His brain should be rattled up. Dude, he's so lucky. You saw him fly out the car?

Yeah, he's so lucky he's alive. He's so lucky he's alive. Holy moly. So lucky he's alive. That's just like... I think all he did was chip a tooth. You saw him fly out the car, though? Fly out of the fucking car.

I've been dead. I didn't... What happened to him? He broke his pinky or something? I don't think it was that bad. Whatever it was, it was not that bad. I mean, I was watching him hit mitts. Was he drunk and stuff when that happened?

I don't know. I don't know. I just know he lost control. I mean, it was a Ferrari. You know, a car like that is so fucking fast. The average person who doesn't know how to drive that good can get themselves in trouble real quick with one of those. I've had gotten so many speeding tickets in my life yeah it's racing other people yeah they see them with their Porsche and my friend that's go wins that's so

dangerous yeah it's cars you get cars today that are just so fucking fast just a regular car and the power keeps going up and up and up. Say I want a really nice car, a really nice sports car. Say I want to give myself a surprise, be nice to myself. Give yourself a treat. So I buy one of these

super Aston Martin cars that they don't have the specs for in the United States. So I get this dealer plate so I could drive this car that's illegal in the States, but if I put dealer plates on it, I can drive it. Whoa. Isn't that incredible?

That is incredible. If I got dealer plates, I could take this car that has no specs and drive it in this country that's illegal just because it has the plates. You know what's another crazy thing you can do? I can't own the car to drive it in the country. You could have diplomatic plates. So you could be from another country

and have other countries plates and drive around cars in America. So like guys come from Saudi Arabia, they're ballers, they got all this crazy money, they buy Lamborghinis and they have these diplomat plates on and they ride around Beverly Hills. I used to have the Lamborghini Jeep. I saw it in Saudi Arabiaia it's the racer

an lm2 lmo2 the original lamborghini jeep yeah i saw me i was in saudi arabia and they're sort of racist i got involved with the race and so i said when i come home and buy one of these that that was before people were buying suvs there wasn't a lot of people buying but that was a monster that car was a monster you couldn't afford the um look at that god damn that's cool i had the white one and i had the black one it's so cool looking oh my god look at that oh god a lamborghini truck that's the one i have right there wow and what year is this that's 87 something like that like that. Wow. What year does it say here? It was 86. It's 88 right there.

The 80s, 87. Wow. That's 82 old. Look at that thing. That's crazy. 82. You made them as early as 82? That was a prototype?

This is what happened. I moved to Bernardsville, New Jersey, and the first guest I get is Malcolm Forbes. Wow. He's my first. He get is Malcolm Forbes. Wow. He's my first, you know, he welcomes me to the neighborhood. He comes up and he comes up with this truck and I say, what is that? Can you just please tell me what that is? He said, it's nothing. It only costs money and you have a lot of that.

That's hilarious. Oh, man. I saw Jamie Foxx drives one of those crazy trucks. You know those things? What are those new ones that everybody's driving around that look like spaceships? What's that? That's the Rolls Royce one. I'm trying to remember the name of the truck.

What is it called? Wow. That is really nice. I pulled into a gas station, um i'm filling my car and this thing pulls in and jamie foxx gets out of it i go what is that that is something to be jealous of it's wild looking it's it's got like the innards i think some of it is from jeep and then they redid the whole thing and they make they sell them. They're bulletproof sometimes They sell them they they do all kinds of wacky shit like they

Spray smoke out of the back of them. Yeah, listen. Listen. I was the first guy that had that had a car boom I pressed the button got tax come out big tax give you a flat and shit. I pressed the button I got a smoke screen come out you had Tax come out. You had that? Yeah, I had that before anybody. I had the iron tacks come out to get the cops flat tires and everything. Oh, that's hilarious. And big nails. Wow. That's crazy. They were doing that back then.

And then I could know what else. I could put oil on the floor to make the car slip. Look at this shit. Electromagnetic pulse protection. Wow. Radiated from a nuclear explosion and render electronic devices inoperable. Oh, Jesus Christ. They're talking about surviving a nuclear explosion in your Jeep?

And it has thermal night vision system. Oh, a night vision system. That's crazy. You know about the deer, right? Yeah. They're the only one that can see that the bear is not white. You see his white coat? It's evavescent. I forgot what the word is the word ever veston and the deer can see it That's why when they cover the nose he covers his nose only for the seals and stuff

But the deer can see his fur is not white. It's ever veston. That's the word what it is. It's um, it's I think it's transparent Yeah, that's what it is something that I think it's like a clear and Yeah, it just what it is. Something that I would say. I think it's like a clear. Yeah, it just looks like it's white. The reindeer can see it. And that's how he spots and he can see it. Because the polar bear is really black, you know, right? The body is, yeah. And it's covered by the skin. The skin is black and the fur is effervescent.

Yeah, whatever it is. But how does that work? He's black, but how does that fur come up? There's so much fur. But it's not white. Because it's clear. It's clear. And there's so much of. But it's not white. Because it's clear. It's clear. And there's so much of it that's stacked on top, it looks white.

And then it covers all of the body because it's amazing insulation. Apparently, the hairs on a polar bear are very different. They're like a tube. And they float. Really? Yeah, he floats. He can't sink. He's a float.

He sits out there and floats. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. They're like little tubes. Yeah, he just floats. And he can't sink. He's a float. He just sits out there and floats. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. They're like little tubes. Yeah, he just floats. And he can also swim. I mean, like, they dive underwater and get seals and shit and come out with them. Yeah, but they can't sink.

I forgot what they call it, but they're buoyancy. Yeah. It's a scary-ass animal because polar bears are the one animal where they see you, they're coming to kill you. Nothing scary. They don't like, they're not into it. But bears are too. Grizzly bears, as soon as they see you, they attack you. Some grizzly bears will, but some of them will avoid you.

But grizzly bears eat grass, and they eat berries, and they eat fruit, and they eat dead animals. And then they eat animals that they catch. But polar bears only eat meat. That's the difference they don't need any berries no fucking berries up the reason why it's because of the cold yeah there's no berries growing the cold no berries growing the cold that's friend of mine is very smart and he you know he talks about every goes everybody's worried about global warming he goes it's definitely

something you should be concerned about he goes but you know what you should really be concerned about global cooling he goes because if the world gets too warm he goes we can survive if the world gets too cold we're fucked we can't grow any food eventually you will maybe it has it has I believe so this whole fucking country was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice it's like half of the country half of North America 12,000 plus years ago was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice it's like half of the country half of north america 12 000 plus years ago was covered in ice um they were talking about study under um ice poles something there was a they showed there was a

a community so to speak was under the ice in the South Pole. Oh, like an old city that they discovered? Yeah, yes. Yeah, I'm sure. I think any time you got a community that lives by the ocean, that ocean moves, man. I mean, especially over history and thousands of years of people being alive, that fucking thing moves. Yeah, because France, like we were saying before,

like 40,000 years ago was attached to Africa. That's crazy. I didn't know that. 40,000 years ago was attached. Something must have happened. The ocean must have flooded or something, but it was attached to Africa. That's crazy. I didn't know that. 40,000 years ago it was attached. I thought it must have happened in the ocean. It must have flooded or something, but it used to be connected. There's places in Montana where you can find seashells. In Montana.

And there was apparently a great inland sea all throughout Montana. In Montana, don't you find all those prehistoric animals there? A lot of dinosaurs. Yeah, they find dinosaurs there. Tennessee, Montana. Utah. Montana's a big one. I think Utah too, yeah. Yeah, they find all kinds of wild old shit up there.

That's the wildest thing. When they find something, you realize, oh, this is an animal that lived 25 million years ago. Like, what the fuck is this? And sometimes you see the ancestors of it that's living now. Yeah. Giant sloths and stuff like that. Or they go way back and they find actual dinosaurs. You find things that are 150, 250 million years old. Like, what?

This is a 250 million year old skeleton? What the fuck? Hey, listen. How do we tell time? How do we tell that it's 250 years old? Forget the bones and the tree. Good question. How do we tell?

We tell it's from somebody that knows something we don't know? The people that don't know is only at mercy to the people that know, right? So who are we at mercy to? The fucking scientists that tell us shit and then I go to this guy and I say, hey, look it up on YouTube. Yeah.

YouTube never lies. Look it up on YouTube. I think the way they do it, I think it's called, it's carbon testing. Yeah, but you look at the trees, you see the rings. No, they do. I think they take a piece of it and then they measure the amount of carbon. No, they don't know. They do that because they don't know and they tell you this is how we tell.

I think they can only tell within a large, it's not like they can tell the week that this thing was put in the ground. They can tell you within X amount of years. And they just guess based on how much carbon is still in the object. Things have a base level

of carbon apparently. Somebody explain it to me. I don't believe them. I have the right not to believe them. Yeah, they might be wrong. They telling me because I'm at the mercy of them, so they're going to tell me something,

and I'm going to say, yeah, it's true, because I'm at their mercy. But I don't have to believe it, because I'm not astute to it. I don't have to believe it. I could be an idiot, but it could still be wrong. It doesn't sound good to me. What I'm willing to listen to is the process in which they figured out how to measure how much carbon is in a thing.

And then how they figured out that if you applied that, the things that you knew were a certain amount of age old, you could get sort of a formula to calculate how old things are. I want to know this. I want to know this. I want to know who was the first me. Who was the first dicker come in my family that led up to me? Right. Who was that? How'd that happen?

Since the beginning of time, the first person. Who's that? Right. When did they, if we used to be lower hominids, right, and then we evolved into be human beings, like when did we officially become human beings? Oh, recently a couple hundred years i don't think a couple of hundred thousands of years i'm talking when i'm talking about when it was on the book we're human when did that happen i think homo sapiens i think you're looking at like a half a million years really i think

that's supposedly what we are we're a half a million years old. But then we have to go to the mongoloid time. Yeah. Well, there's also that's coexisting with Neanderthals, coexisting with those hobbit people on the island of Flores. You've seen that? That's wild, man. Did you ever see the island outside of India? North Sentinel Island.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's where the missionary went to deliver the Bible. Jesus loves you. Whap. Fill them up, man. Hard.

I do a bit about it, unfortunately. They put a rope around his neck and drug him into the darkness. They killed him. They probably ate him and fucked him and did all kinds of shit. Listen, did you see? What's my man name with jackass? Come on, my man. Johnny Knoxville?

No. Steve-ville? No. Steve-O? Steve-O. You ever see Steve-O? Steve-O's with some indigenous people and they're trying to eat him. Put that on. Can you see that? Jesus Christ.

Steve-O with some indigenous nigga. They're eating him, trying to hump his ass. You got to see this stuff, man. Steve-O's crazy. On an island with indigenous people. Steve-O's so crazy. But yeah, that North Sentinel Island, that's a crazy story. I wonder what's in that, you know, in the corridor, what they have there, who they're eating, what they're doing, how they function.

There's not enough of them. I know, but they know to fucking shoot you with a bow and arrow. Yeah, they know to shoot you with a bow and arrow, but I think they're worried about, I think they've been fucked with historically. No, because when we go there, we get them sick. Yeah, exactly. get them sick. Yeah, exactly. They get sick. They're not inoculated. As soon as we go there, we look at them.

We get too close, they get sick and die. Yeah. That's why they kill us because they say, awesome, we get next to these guys, we die. Well, they probably have stories about people who visited and got people sick. Oh, yeah. Listen, they went there one time and they took a couple of them, kidnapped them, and they started dying, and so they sent them back. But, yeah, we killed them. We we're disgusting we have diseases and stuff yeah we get inoculated we can

still kill these guys yeah we were just talking about this that 90 of the people in north america were dead because of viruses 90 of them when the europeans showed up it killed everybody syphilis wiped them out everybody and syphilis comesis comes from skin disease, not being hygiene. Really? And then we started becoming more hygienic and started getting clean, and it started dying. Wow. And so it went inside of us.

It went into our vaginal system to survive, and that's how we got the syphilis. It was only a skin disease at first. Really? Yeah. Holy shit. And then it wanted to survive because people started living cleanly

and it wanted to survive so it went into our vaginal. Wow. Whoa. You should look at the history of venereal diseases. I always look at the history of stuff and it blows my mind.

I've always wondered because it's a crazy thing to have diseases that specifically come through sex. It's kind of crazy because it's a crazy thing to have diseases that specifically come through sex. It's kind of crazy. And it's how many of them kill people. It's a way by checking our animalistic tendencies. Right.

Checking our drive. Yeah. Give us a disease that makes us fucking dangerous. It makes us conscious. It's on you now. It's on you, but we're conscious of it now. Do you know about the whole powdered wig thing?

Tell me about the powdered wig. Do you know those old dudes in like ancient times where they wore that because of syphilis? Really? Yes. This guy was a French...

I thought rats and stuff got in those guys' heads. Oh, I'm sure they probably did. But the guy who started it off, it's attributed to these two French... They were cousins, right? Weren't they cousins? I think they were cousins.

But they were royalty, big time, big people. And when they started getting syphilis, their hair was falling out, so they got wigs. And so this is what would happen to these people's heads. It attacks the brain, it attacks your brain. It impacts everything. I've seen, oh man, I don't even like seeing it. They get holes in their faces.

So the more money you had, the bigger the wig was. So that's why the term big wig, that's where it came from. The term big wig goes back to when these European men were all getting syphilis. What about... Their fucking hair was falling out. It's wild. Listen, syphilis is nothing now, but before it was a dead man's disease. Once you got that, you were...

Yeah, I mean, it dragged holes through people. Isn't that what killed Al Pacino? Or Al Capone, rather? Al Capone, yeah. Al Capone, yeah. Bo Brimel. Oh, it makes your fucking face rot off, too. It attacks your brain.

Oh, what a terrible way to go. But it's just crazy that there's so many diseases like that that just come from fucking. It's wild. It's just a, I don't know, I think it's just a natural form of trying to check us. It's humanity checking us. I think you're dead right.

I think that's exactly what it is. Humanity. It just makes sense that something like that would, otherwise we would just fuck up a storm. As much food as we had. Listen, have you ever listened to how life was and sex was

at roman time you see it's right in the streets yep slaves again pumped in the streets you're you're right in the street you're taking dumps in the street crazy it's nothing it's just okay you slaves you do whatever right in the middle of the streets it's everything and then i and then i guess they started who was it that which which one was it, the Roman emperor? Augustus. I think he started making, he was having a moral check on people. Started giving people more, he was a philosopher, warrior. After he won all the wars and killed everybody, he became a peaceful philosopher.

Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, that's who it is. Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, Marcus Aurelius' meditations. I'm in the middle of that right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is, listen, this is beautiful. It's amazing.

But this is a bloodthirsty monarch that's telling us this. True. It's true. He's seen the light, but this guy didn't. Oh, he wrecked some. Ooh. He did some. He dominated countries.

Yeah. Decimated them. They all did. You know, the wild thing about Rome, particularly like the Roman emperors and the Roman Colosseum, is you could still go there today and stand on the very ground where the Colosseum was.

Like, I went for a tour in the Colosseum. Did you go underground with the animals and the warriors? Yeah, where they used to have animals. The animals would come up on, like, elevators. Would rise up, they'd pull them on pulleys, they'd pull up to the top, and there would be a warrior waiting with a shield and a sword to fight off a tiger. You know the gladiators back there was the equivalent of MMA fighters and fighters now? Yeah.

They were superstars. They weren't slaves. Right. They wouldn't have freedom. Three or four times, they wouldn't give up. They still wanted to fight until they died. You know what I mean? Because they loved the attention they got. Totally makes sense.

Listen, they showed ancient times in Rome. I don't know if they showed the ancient time how people lived. They had a couch, had a little table, and they had a picture of a warrior up there. It's like we might have a fighter or something. They had a warrior take the, you know, chisels in the wall. Makes sense. It was just like modern times. They had the hash too.

They had the hash to get high on the table stuff. It was just more ruthless than today because life was more ruthless. Life was nothing back then. Life was slaves and stuff. Everybody owned everybody. You know what someone said to me too about the Spartans? He was saying, if you were a Spartan and you were a 30-year-old man, people were suspicious of you.

Like how did you make it this far? Like are you a coward? Did you turn on people? Like how did you survive to be 30? Like they would be nervous of you. The best ones, the ones that won their freedom and just kept fighting, they were all vegans and vegetarians. Really?

They checked the marrow of their bones. The amount of meat they had was almost, doesn't exist. Oh, that's because they were feeding the, all the gladiators, they were feeding them like a gruel. It was like a oatmeal. They ate very small meat. The meat didn't even matter. But that wasn't for performance.

I don't know what, but those were the best. Not all of them won their freedom, but the best ones had no meat. Interesting. I wonder what a normal person ate back then. Like how much- They were gluttonous. But I wonder how much they got of meat,

how much they ate, if they filled their bellies with grain and bread. Only the rich ate with meat and stuff. Really? Very rarely the slaves ate with meat, unless your master loved you, treated you special, you were the sellout or something. Right, right, right. Yeah, I would imagine that's why people were so small back then too, right?

Yeah, but there were a lot of disease infested back then. They were really sick back then. Yeah. I mean, there was no medicine. So diseases must have just ran rampant through people. You know, I talked to this guy, Dr. Peter Hotez. He's an infectious disease expert. And he told me that in jungle climates, like in the Amazon and places like anywhere you've got a jungle climate,

he goes, almost everybody has parasites. Almost everybody. Almost anything could kill you there. It's awful. Anything could kill you. A little bug like this can kill you in Amazon. Yeah. But he's basically saying

that it's almost unavoidable to get parasitic infections when you're in these tropical climates it's just it's a normal thing and you're dealing with a situation

like we talk about the cynical people and what 40,000 years something like that no one never had a pap smear that's crazy

they've been there for 40,000 years and no one got a pap smear and 40's crazy. Just think about it. They've been there for 40,000 years and no one got a pap smear. And 40,000 years are also a specimen of your urine or something. Yeah. Never been there

in like 40 years. 40,000 years. Just living. 40,000 years and never had a pap smear. Because that's how long they've been there, they said,

right? 40,000 years. How long have the Senegals been there? Isn't it nice having a Jamie around? Jamie is off the hook. He's the best. Listen, this is what it is.

It's a form of slavery, this stuff. Hey, Jamie, go do that. That? Yeah, it's a form of not being in control. You don't have to think, Jamie, do that. Well, he plays a very valid role. Oh, absolutely. I can't be thinking.

Absolutely. He can do it with one hand. That's the crazy thing about Jamie. be thinking. Absolutely. And he can do it with one hand. That's the crazy thing about Jamie. You don't realize he's Googling this shit with one hand. But, you know, in slavery times, people have slaves to thank for them. People have slaves. Some emperors, they have slaves to remind them that they're human. Remind me that I'm human, okay?

Wow. You know, because sometimes people tell them they're gods, and they're starting to believe in this slave job is to remind them that they're human. Yeah, could you imagine being a king back then where you could just get people to believe in you? Being Alexander the Great. Imagine being that.

Osiris the Great, one of those guys. Hannibal, King Kong, Chilling on those guys. People would die for you. Henry VIII, killing your ex-wives. Just chop that bitch's head off. See, the disease has got him, too. That's why he got messed up. Well, he was a fucking barbarian.

What a horrible person. I mean, you can imagine you get divorced with a lady, you just cut her head off. Hey, but listen, imagine what he's seen in his family before he was king. Oh, yeah. Imagine how many people in his family died before he could become king.

But what's crazy is that's like normal king behavior. Like, when you talk about someone like Henry VIII or any ancient dictator that did horrible things to people, it's normal. It's normal that these kings treated their people in terrible ways. It was more common for them to be good. You know what a king is? in terrible ways. It was more common than for them to be good. You know what a king is?

Napoleon said this to his mother because his mother was mad because he don't suck up enough. He don't know how to suck up the kings, royal people and stuff. And he said, Mom, there will always be kings even if they go by different names.

And so a king could be... It's a CEO. A king could be Drake. Right. You know what I mean? He is the rapper. That's the name rapper. That's just another name for King.

A successful rapper, that's another name for King. Right. You know, a successful guy like Mike Tyson Fury, those kind of guys, that's another name for King. Right. You know? Yeah, it is kind of. He's like the king of, yeah, he's a gypsy king.

Listen, what's that guy's name? What's that? Elon Musk. You know what I mean? He's the technical king. Entrepreneur, tech, but he's just another word for king. Right. He's a king. He's still a king. It's the tech but he's another that's another word for king right king it's the same mindset of the same like position of power yes but just not the same

abuse this is what i found out you know when you look at henry the ace and stuff that's life that's you listen you you joe rogan this is your this is your crew crew. They're around you most of the time. You know most of their business, too. Things go on. So you have to find everything. You say, you go to him, Jamie, what's going on today? Well, he'll say, well, John came in late today. Bill came over here. We had a great time last night.

But he left early today. And that's just what it is. You want to know everybody what they're doing. You want to know everybody's around you. They're taking care of your life. So you want to know how their life is. That's just what it is. You want to know everybody, what they're doing. You want to know everybody that's around you. They're taking care of your life. So you want to know how their life is. That's true. But over here, fortunately, everything runs so smooth, I don't have to have any of those conversations.

I know. But you're a king, and you're responsible for that. You don't have to have the conversation, but that's on you. I know what you're saying. You choose not to. Well, I choose to trust people. Some kings don't. Yeah, well, I've been a peasant for many years.

I understand what it's like to be real broke and poor. I was thinking about that today while I was washing my car today. I was thinking, man, I never would have worked for a fucking car washer. Yeah, but you've never been poor. Poor is a frame of mind. If you were poor, you'd never be where you are now. Right. I just didn't have any money, and I was just young.

But that never escapes you. You always feel weird about people working for you, and it seems strange. Because you dealt with poverty before. I don't care how much money you have, you can't escape poverty. I think it was a gift. I mean, it was horrible at the time, but being a child and being on welfare. It's only good if you survive. Right.

It's only good if you survive. Only if you survive, it's good. But that's why when those kind of subjects come up, I'm so adamant that we need some sort of a social net for people to help people if they're broke. Because it's not a baby's fault that his mother doesn't have any money. It's not the child's fault that he was born into the world. Brother, you can't do that. I think that too. They have to deal with adversity. We have to find out who they are.

They have to find out who they are. But shouldn't there be at least a method for them to eat? I had to find out who I was. No, I had to find out how to eat myself. I had to go to free lunches. If I see some free lunches and it's too close, I take their free lunches. That's just what it is. It's about the survival of the fittest.

It's interesting because you're one of the few people that can get away with saying that. Really? Yeah, yeah, because you were the fittest. You know what I'm saying? You know how a guy like me survives? I don't survive by somebody giving me a job you take me right most competitive system you take me with it and just drop me there right drop me in there with its competition like a Bruce Lee movie I don't flurry by anybody giving me chance hey no boom put

me in there let me show you what I could do boom let me show I break the world to my feet. Yeah. That's a special type of person. I mean, there's not a whole lot of you. No, they are, though. They're more, they just don't know it. They just haven't experienced it. Yeah, I don't look at myself as somebody special. These people just haven't been, they haven't been talking to the right person.

That right person hasn't ignited their fucking ego. So they're just not far enough down the path of being that in whatever they do. They haven't met the right mentor. Yeah. Because once you meet the right mentor, you don't want to be away from him, you want to be in his presence always.

Isn't that interesting how much inspiration you get from a mentor? I had that with martial arts instructors when I was a kid. Like my appreciation and my love for them was unsurpassed. My admiration for them was unsurpassed. And for you to be a 13-year-old kid and just all the pieces aligned, not only did he have an amazing style that he could teach you in a style that was uniquely effective for you, the way you fought,

but he could hypnotize you. He affected my mind. Yeah. I didn't care if a guy was 6'9 or 300 pounds. He affected my mind where I thought I was superior than other people and I was ordained by God to be this person. He has had my mind screwed up and there's no way I can lose if I lose this because God is jealous this particular night. Isn't this crazy? God is jealous. But night. Is this crazy? God is jealous. But Mike, his was crazy. He was right. He was right. You could say that he

infected your mind, but he didn't. What he did is make you become that thing. He made you become that perfect version of what you could be. Everything that you could have done at 20 years of age to be that elite, you did. You were as good as you could have been in that body. So he maximized your potential. He did it. I mean, you could say he messed with your mind, but he really didn't.

It was all about intention. Yes. All about intention. Fighting with intention. Bad intention. Everything was bad intention. It's also so much technique too. So much movement. And it has to do

with a lot of the belief system. Fighting and belief system is 90% of fighting. To have a guy that understands psychology so much and get you when you were so young. Get you at 12 years of age and start coaching you and mentoring you. But at 12 I wanted it bad

too. I wanted it. It wasn't like somebody was forcing me. I said I wanna be champ. I wanna be the boxing champ of the world. I'm sure. Teddy Atlas said that when he would bring you to smokers when you were 13, kids wouldn't believe you were 13. Nah, listen.

They'd get mad. Stop lying. They're like, he's 16. There was a gentleman named John Connor. He controlled the kid glove situation when you're 12, 13, 14. And he banned me from going. I'm from New York, but he said, no, you're from upstate. You can't fight here.

But I'm born in Brooklyn because the kids wouldn't go into the tournament. If I entered the tournament, nobody would enter. So they'd see no fight. So I was banned from the tournament. They would ban me from tournaments when I was a kid. Listen, I was hitting these poor kids. These guys, they used to fight. I used to box with professional fighters when I'm 13 and 12.

These guys, I'm hitting arms. The mother and father, they try to sue the system. They say, he is not 12, 13 years old. There's no way. Listen, I'm 200 pounds solid. 12, 13, I'm solid, 200 pounds. That's incredible. Oh, my God, that is incredible. That's incredible. Oh, my God, that is incredible.

That's incredible. I've been fighting all my life. Ever since Little Cal, we've had fights. It was, I had to be a fighter. If it wasn't a street fighter, if it wasn't a professional fighter, I would have been a street fighter. It's just I always got into fights. Who was the first person to ever show you how to throw a punch correctly?

This guy named Wise. He had just came out of prison. He used to be an amateur boxer. I used to smoke weed. I'm like nine, but I used to smoke weed and cigarettes. I smoked cigarettes before weed, but I'm smoking, and I'm watching him shadow box. I'm smoking weed around eight, and I'm watching this guy.

Nine, yeah, I'm watching him shadow box. And I was impressed with that. And one day this guy killed my bird, and I was watching this guy nine yeah I'm watching shadow box and I was impressed with that and one day this guy killed my bird and I was fighting this guy and I remember him skipping when he was shadow box and when I hit this guy I started skipping everybody started to put it wow blew my mind he was like a kid in the street I started skipping and everybody's oh shit he's skipping but I didn't know what I was doing I was just copying what I saw I didn't know what I was doing. I was just copying what I saw. I didn't know I was skipping, but I was just copying. I copied the guy wise, and he was skipping.

I thought that was part of the fight. I started skipping. Everybody started laughing and applauding. Wow. Wow. So when you watched him shadow box, did you just copy it, or did he show you? Did he give you pointers? No.

I have that mind. Boom. Once I see it, did you just copy it, or did he show you? Did he give you pointers? No. I have that mind. Boom. Once I see it, boom, I got it. I pick it up quick. Look at this wee bit. As soon as I pick it up, boom, I got interest. No, I don't say, once I got interest, I fucking destroy it. Right.

So it's always been like that. I decimate it, yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. So that one dude, he was the first guy. Yeah. That was the first scene. one dude, he was the first guy. Yeah. That was the first scene. So I'm skipping and moving, and I'm smoking.

I said, wow. I never fought, never had a fight. I saw him do it. I said, wow. The movement is so interesting, Mike, because everybody knows that head movement is important. Everybody knows that Canelo has really good head movement, but there's only really been one heavyweight

that had the kind of head movement like you did. Your head movement was fucking crazy. Listen, that's when boxing's not fun when you're getting hit in the lap. You know, I saw these guys getting hit in the lap, and later in life, they don't, they're not functional later in life. I don't care how great they were.

You can't beat the accumulation of punches. I don't care how great you are. It shows up later in life. And I had a teacher that was just defense conscious. Customized was so defense conscious. He loved that his fighters were good looking and didn't have scars. Matter of fact, he loved when his fighters looked like me. If you never saw me fight, you would never think I was a fighter.

Right. But looking at my face. No. No. No, you would never think I was a fighter. Right. But looking at my face. No. No. No, you don't have any gashes. My main objective was to hit and not be hit. Well, it was the style, that peekaboo style and the bobbing and weaving. That was aggressive.

It was so hard to hit, and you would punish people for mistakes. So it wasn't just that you were slipping a punch. You were slipping a punch, and a left hook from hell was coming right behind it. And there was so much movement and speed. It's like we've seen a bunch of different styles of heavyweights, but what's crazy is from your rise to today, there's no one really who fights in your style.

No, but I'm... Which is kind of interesting, right? I don't know. I just wanted to be somebody, and I wanted the greatest to know my name. I wanted guys like Ali and Durand to know who I was. You did that, my friend, you did that. The whole world knows your name. But what's interesting is that your style was so effective,

but there's not a heavyweight out there that fights like you, which is interesting because- Because that's a complicated style when you really think about it, because it's more like karate than boxing, because boxing you're loose, and karate you're. You're stiff, boom, move, movement. That's.

That's like karate. You know, karate is boom. But your style was so terrifying. Because instead of like a Larry Holmes style where you behind a strong jab and you're boxing. That wasn't me, I'm short. Right. You know, my jab is only good when I'm aggressive.

It's not good when I'm out here. It's only good when I'm out here. It's only good when I'm coming forward. There was so many consequences. That was the thing about your fights. It's like every mistake that anybody made had grave consequences. Listen, the whole thing is you have to take risks, too. In order for fights to be exciting, people have to take risks.

Yeah. If you watch the two guys fight, they're not taking risks. They're not fighting. Fighting is about taking risks. Exactly. Risking losing, getting hit. That's why the Tommy Hearns-Marvin Hagler fight was so great because they both threw caution to the wind. Absolutely, but the fact that they both were getting hit.

They were getting hit. That's what made it exciting. But fighting's good when you're not getting hit and you're hitting the guy. Right. That's fighting. What's fascinating to me is how effective you were. There's a part of the people forget how effective you were with your head movement.

It was a big part of your style. You were so hard to hit and when people were swinging at you the counters were so dangerous. I just wanted to be the best. You know, that's just all I wanted to be. I'm the kind of guy i'd rather um fucking winning get no fucking money really but because the feeling of winning money fuck he losing fuck of course when you really stop and think about what you were able to accomplish,

it's pretty wild, man, because you changed boxing in a lot of ways. You made the heavyweight division exciting again. There was a long lull where people didn't appreciate Larry Holmes because he came after Ali. He's like the most underappreciated heavyweight of all time. What a fighter. What a fighter. Fuck.

What a fighter. What a fighter. And he had. Fuck. What a fighter. What a fighter. And he had the balls to come and fight you. No, he had balls in his prime. He had balls. Balls. He was nothing but balls. He was amazing.

God damn. When you watch some of his fights, like Jerry Cooney knockout, God damn, he was good. No. After he fought me, he almost beat Evander Holderfield and Alvin McCall.

1.2 points from beating him. I said, God damn. I was so happy that I fought him his first fight. It would have been different after he had 10 or 15 other fights now because he was good after. He did have a lot of good fights after that. You know what's interesting? As long as you were in jail, he'd keep fighting. That's what he interesting, Mike? He said as long as you were in jail, he'd keep fighting. A dirty dog.

That's what he said, man. He's like, as long as Mike is not around, I'll keep fighting. But fuck that. I really admire him and look up to him so much. My God, his jab. What? His nerve. Wasn't he in some nerve? Everything.

God. Everything. But his jab was a work of art. Larry Holmes had one of the greatest jabs ever. Most of his fights was exciting, too. Yeah. No, he was a work of art. Larry Holmes had one of the greatest jabs ever. Most of his fights was exciting, too. Yeah. No, he was totally underappreciated. Because he came, everybody was just so sad that he beat up Ali.

Yeah. Ali had to affect them people like unbelievable. Everybody loved Ali, so it was so hard to accept Larry Holmes after he beat up Ali in front of everybody. That's all it was. It was just the love of Ali. It's too bad, because if Ali didn't exist or if Larry Holmes didn't have to beat him

to become the champion, if Ali had just retired and Larry Holmes came and fought somebody else and became the champ, people would appreciate how good he was. It wasn't meant to be. It wasn't written. Yeah. It wasn't written.

But damn, and later in his life, when he was in his 40s, he was having great boxing matches. Kicking ass. Looking good. Oh, man, kicking, talking shit. Talking shit. Oh, God. Kicking ass. Looking good. Oh, man. Kicking, talking shit. Talking shit. Oh, God.

I guess he was like, fuck it. I can still do it. He could still. Oh, man. He was an athlete, huh? Oh, my God. Yeah. I got credit for that.

He was such an athlete. When you look at the heavyweight division today, it's such a different landscape than back in your day. It could be a greater one, though. There's a lot of talent there that should be fighting one another. It's amazing. They just keep fighting each other over and over. All the top five guys just keep fighting each other.

That's what it's about, is being active. They're not active enough. People don't see them enough. They hear about them, but they don't see them. Is it just that it's hard to get these fights scheduled? Are they just negotiating hard? enough they hear about them but they don't is it just that it's hard to get these fights scheduled is that is it are they just negotiating hard like listen when i was fighting if i don't fight him i'm not fighting right i'm not fighting nobody this is who i want to fight if i don't fight

him i'm not fighting nobody you can take my belts so it has to come to that i want to fight him if i don't fight him i'm not fighting nobody that's what he has to say but they don't you know i don't fight him, I'm not fighting nobody. That's what he has to say. But they don't, you know, I don't know, but most people believe if they lose, they're over. They don't know it just began. Well, some guys have been able to come back from, you know, rough losses and still gain the public's attention. Yes. Deontay is a perfect example of that. It's all about giving it your best.

Yeah. The reason why people don't appreciate you because you haven't gave your best. This is what reason why people don't appreciate you because you haven't gave your best. This is what they look at. You may know, this is how Cuss would look at it.

You have made all this money, you got all this fame and this is how much you're going to give God. You're going to run only five miles. Right.

You're going to run four miles. He gave you all this fame. Everybody know you. You're only going to give him five fucking miles, man. Right, right. Cuss would run

that kind of gear with me. You know, he'd say, well, you know, God gave you all this, all this stuff he gave you. You can't give him five rounds, six rounds, eight rounds. You have to look at it from that perspective. With all the talent you have and you just can't give it an extra round, you don't got another round in your mind. Give me a break, okay?

You got 20 extra rounds in you. It's all in your mind. Wow. How important is that to break, okay? You got 20 extra rounds in you. It's all in your mind. Wow. How important is that to hear, too? Well, you need, for a guy like me, with low self-esteem and stuff like that, I need to hear that I'm God. Yeah.

You know, if I don't hear that, I think that I'm not going to no ring. You ain't going to see me in no fight. Was the first time beating people in matches, like, as an amateur, was that one of the first times where you felt really good about accomplishments? Joe, all right, I'm gonna tell you something. And Teddy Atlas will tell you this.

My first fight ever, right? I knocked the guy out and I stepped on him. Like this. Oh my God. That's Teddy Atlas. I was just so passionate about fighting him, boom, knocked him out. I got him and stepped on him like this.

Oh, my God. Teddy said, what the fuck? Listen, I'm really into that gangster warrior mentality, savage stuff. How old were you? I'm 13 or 14. I'm 14, 14 or something. I knocked him out and I stepped on top of him. I got my feet on him.

I'm like, Teddy comes, Greg, what the hell are you doing? Listen, I'm into that gank, that warrior mentality. Since I was a kid, I'm stepping on people in the ring. Wow. And I don't talk to people when I'm in the ring. People be saying, hey, you look good the last fight. I just don't talk to them. Wow.

People come up to me, great fight last night. I just never talk to nobody. People say he's a weird asshole. No one likes me because I didn't talk to anybody. Before a fight, people say, great fight last night. And still never talked to nobody. People say he's a weird asshole. No one likes me because I didn't talk to anybody. Before a fight, people say, great fight last night. Just look at him. Because this is what happened to me. One day, a guy came up to me and said, great fight last night.

You look good. I said, thank you very much, sir. And then cut a scant one like this. You know him? I said, no, it was just a nice guy. He was a nice guy. He came over here and said, congratulations for my fight last night. He said, what do you mean, nice guy? Like, you like him? I said, no, it was just a nice guy. He was a nice guy. He came over here and said, congratulations for my fight. And he said, what do you mean, nice guy?

Like, you like him? He's handsome or cute? What do you mean, nice guy? Explain nice guy to me. And then my whole attitude changed. I don't know. He just said, hi, Cuss. I'm sorry.

And then Cuss goes to the guy, hey, don't ever talk to my fighter again. Do you hear what I'm saying? Do you listen to me? Don't ever talk to my fighter again. Whoa. He was paranoid because before he had fighters and people stole his fighters so he thought everybody was gonna say that blew his mind so he think all this fight is gonna leave him interesting he had rocky rossie allen rocky rossie and left him that blew his mind he thought

everybody was gonna steal his fighters he just blew his mind about people stealing his fighters that makes sense that probably went on a lot oh yeah stealing fighters when you see the heavyweight division today the the ucic versus joshua match that's a that's a very interesting fight to me that's very interesting that ucic guy is phenomenal listen tyson's gonna have to wear him down He can't because the guy's moving, moving, and all that stuff. Tyson's going to have to just wear him down. He's not going to box this guy. He's just going to have to beat him down.

Yeah, Joshua's fighting Usyk next, and Tyson is fighting Dillian White. No, I think— I think they've settled that, right? I think Danteace should fight um who's it that would be a great fight that because don't see what he's gonna be aggressive trying to knock him out he listen dionte wilder can knock anybody out his power is ridiculous when he knocked out ortiz yeah that was crazy but listen having having a hard punch is like having a nuclear war, but it don't serve no military value if it doesn't land on its target. Right.

Uziq is very hard to hit. Very hard to hit. Very hard to hit. Joshua did catch him a couple times, though. I know, but Joshua. Joshua's elite. Uziq is an elite amateur boxer. Yeah.

He has that amateur boxing stuff, mess guys like Joshua up, because it's too much movement and all that stuff. And he's not really an amateur. He just, he got so much, he could do so much.

That's why he's never a lost soul. He can learn so much. He's still learning. That's why he's dangerous, Josh, because he's still

fucking learning. Well, he definitely made an adjustment after the Andy Ruiz fight, right? He lost to Ruiz the first fight, come back, won a clear unanimous

decision in the second fight. With other gentlemen, too. Andy Ruiz. Yeah, Andy Ruiz. I think I'm fascinated to see how that fight goes down. Is that delayed because of the war? Yeah, I think it was.

Joshua has to know how to throw more punches. Boom, jab, he's got to be like a... Jabbing's got to constantly be out there and he got to turn it into something. That's the thing about Usyk having, he used to be a cruiserweight. He's got a lot of endurance. He doesn't move like a big guy. He moves like a

smaller guy. Joshua needs to pick up the pace a little. Not much. He doesn't Definitely does but he he comes back from every fight that he's had better, you know I mean when he the one of the most impressive ones was he knocked out Klitschko. Oh my god One of the most impressive ones was he knocked out Klitschko. Oh, my God.

Klitschko's seen better days, though. He fought great that night. True. But Klitschko dropped him first, and he came back and stopped him. That was a wild fight. That was a great fight, too. That was a wild fight. Great fight.

Yeah, it's a great heavyweight time right now. Joshua's no walkover. Right. It's just that for some reason, I don't know, we expect a lot from Joshua for some reason. I guess maybe because English people are so behind him, we got caught up in the bandwagon too. But Americans expect a lot out of Joshua for some reason.

Well, he's an Adonis. He's like a perfect specimen. Oh, after boxing, he's powerful. He's going to have a beautiful life after boxing because he's beautiful. He's beautiful. But his power is stunning. I mean, he's going to have a beautiful life after boxing. Yeah, for sure. Because he's beautiful. He's beautiful. But his power is stunning. I mean, he has crazy power. And he's just an elite athlete.

The Tyson Fury fight, to me, that's a real interesting one. Those two guys, that's a real interesting fight to me. You know, because Tyson Fury is so unusual. He's so tall and long. And his movement, I mean, he's got such a nice jab. And he's so good at, like, using distance and clinching. It's just weird to take him serious because he doesn't take the fight. He's laughing at people. He's licking their blood.

What's wrong with this guy, man? But, Mike, doesn't it take a certain amount of crazy to be the best? You got to be out of your mind. You got to totally be out of your mind. And that's what he is, right? He's out of his fucking mind. He's totally out of your mind. Listen, nobody pick this up.

What fighter comes in the ring with Patsy Cline crazy unless he's losing? He's trying to tell you I'm losing my mind. He's trying to let the people know I'm fucking losing my mind. I'm crazy. This heavyweight championship is not what I thought it was. This is insanity.

Yeah. The heavyweight champ is insanity, man. It's called the crown of thorns, baby. Everybody that wore that title got a story to tell. They have a story to tell, baby.

He's in the middle of his story right now those wilder fights are incredible you know it's just weird how um you know if we certain people were living in biblical time they would be prophets like he was if he was in biblical times he would be a prophet and stuff they couldn't explain that why is he so successful in this particular... They can't explain that stuff. Why is he exceptional? Yeah.

They couldn't explain Goliath or Samson. They just couldn't understand these guys. Listen, David's known for the father of Israel. He created Israel, right? What's the only thing you know David for? What is he known for? He created the whole nation, but what is he known for? He created the whole nation, but what is he known for?

Killing Goliath. Yes. He's done so many great things, but the only thing he's known for, if you're not a scholar really, the only thing you know David for is killing Goliath. A fight. Yeah. He's known for a fight. He created a whole nation, but he's known for a fight.

Yeah, he killed a big guy with a rock. Yeah, slingshot. Then he chopped his head off. Yeah. Yeah, there's always throughout history there's been the best fighter. And they were one of the most revered people in society. To today, too. To today.

There's a thing about a heavyweight title fight where you know, whether it's in MMA or it's in boxing, you know that is the elite of the elite as far as fighting. It's as good as people are alive today in 2020. Listen, someone told me that you could work in Tesla, the head corporation in Tesla. All your high-tech geeks, right? If a fight goes down in the lobby, the whole everybody's left the room, they're watching the fight. It's just, that's what a fight does, is the animal instincts in us.

Somebody never had a fight in their life, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Never had a fight, yeah, get him, get him. Especially if you're watching two people argue and then it escalates and then you know the fists are going to fly. Isn't it, how funny is it to you to watch people who have no idea how to fight and they're willing to get into fights?

Isn't that crazy? That's just the lack of self-control. It's all about lack of, you have no idea how much pain you're going to be in in a few minutes. You have no idea until that pain happens to really start to increase in you. You say, what the hell happened? When you see those videos of people who don't know how to fight and they pick a fight with someone who's a trained fighter and they get knocked out and you realize what a horrible mistake it was for that person to do that.

No, the person that hurt him should have realized during the situation, this guy's not in my league. Well, not all the time you can do that, but certain times you'd see this guy's not in my league, don't hurt him, unless your ego's flaring up and you wanna stop this guy in front of a lot of people. A lot of guys do wanna stop a guy. I mean, someone's trying to hurt you. Oh, but listen.

It's hard to pull back. Listen, that's just your intent. You believe he's trying to hurt you. Maybe he's really not and you kill him by accident. That happened so many times. That could happen too. That could, he could be bluffing. That happens, it does happen.

Yeah. Sometimes you don't even plan to push him hit him and hit something Oh, yeah the aneurysm and you didn't know it. He didn't know he had an eunice He's dead and you gotta do that time a friend of mine was working as a bouncer in Long Island and his buddy at the Bar accidentally killed a guy that same exact thing what you're saying guys started to fight with him He hit the guy the guy went unconscious fell back hit his head died I was like I was locked over the guy he never hit nobody his life but this guy owed the money so he most of guys he says so he shot the guy in the foot the guy died I never had a fight in my life

I shot the guy the fucker you gotta shoot these guys because they won't pay you oh my god he died i've been there for shooting the guy the foot oh my god he died from a foot shot oh no i don't know i think it sounded what happened that's what i'm in here for jesus christ when you're in places like that you realize that um a lot of people don't have a lot of emotional control over themselves. A lot of people are in there for love or money or something. Yeah.

And they just did something. Do you believe that? In prison for love. Do you believe that? A lot of people in prison for love cram the passion. Do you think that

we could avoid a lot of that if people were introduced to psychedelics? Yes. Yes. I think? Yes. Yes. I think so too. Listen,

you know what I realized? That when I took mushrooms sometimes, that's why I panic sometimes. And I run upstairs to my wife and say, baby, I took mushrooms. I'm sorry.

I know you told me not to take them. I took them and I can't take it right now. It's fucking with my head right now. I'm so sorry, baby. Please, please, just hold me right now, baby.

Please. Oh, God, I'm dying. Oh, God, baby, please. Oh, no, baby. I'm gonna take it right now. It's fucking with my head right now. I'm so sorry, baby. Please, please just hold me right now, baby, please. Oh God, I'm tired. Oh God, baby, please. Oh, no, baby, I'm sorry. I told you not to use that no more. Stop using the mushroom. You're the shroomy guy, stop. Mushrooms can take you on a dark journey.

Woo. Mushrooms sometimes, it feels like it's trying to tell you something. Oh absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely, and you're scared to listen. Yeah. It seems sometimes, it seems like it's apocalyptic.

You know? You know, I understand that because I could be on mushrooms and sometimes really believe that I'm gone and everybody here is here for my enjoyment. I can't really think on mushrooms, everybody's just here for me to make me happy, to make me alert. Yeah.

And you see it go like, it can appear that way. I can believe that, yeah. So you feel like you're the only person in the world when you're on a real good Strain of mushrooms Yeah You're so far divorced from regular thinking You're in like a dreamland It's hard to really

Articulate it to somebody How you feel when you're under that state It's real hard They're never going to understand it unless they do it I don't think everybody should do it no listen when you're on some good shoes you don't want no sex you don't want nothing you just want to find something I just know me you're doing nothing I wish there was a way that people that grown adults could experience it in a professional setting so if you have

professional people that know how to do people correctly. Fear. Fear is stronger than anything. No, it is. But what I think is if they did allow that, it could make a better world. There's a legitimate tool to make a better world, and people look at it, and they dismiss it like it's silly. People don't want people to know how they really are. So if they took shrooms, they would expose who they really are. I think people live in this world never exposing themselves and uncomfortable to the day they die. I think that's true for sure.

But I also think there's a lot of people that are just ignorant to it. They don't know what it is. They've been sold that it's, like, bad for you and that, you know, you're taking drugs. You know, you might have a hallucination and lose your fucking mind yeah and i'm just wasting your time doing this if you tell me hey man that fucking white cobra was a bad motherfucker last night so let me try it out right of course yeah that's just me but you've had a lot of experiences i think for some people though the idea of doing a psychedelic drug to them sounds like a stupid thing to do like why would you want to hallucinate why would

you want to lose it? They think it's something negative because you think of a drug that's that powerful. You think of it as having a negative consequence. But I think it's, it's probably just really effective and it should be managed. They should figure out like what is the dose if you weigh a hundred pounds? What is the dose if you weigh 150 pounds?

Is there a way to do this in like a clinical setting where people can go and experience? So yeah, I'm gonna kill him like if I start now my my Resistance is probably low, but I have a high resistance I've heard I've heard and I've got this once you start yawning, right? I'm yawning about It's over. I'm yawning, but I get that little buzz. Those mushroom yawns are weird.

Mushroom yawns are weird because it's not like you're tired. It's just like. Yeah, so you didn't know what happened. That's the mushroom. That's the shrooms you're yawning, Mike. The shrooms have you yawning. Yeah, shrooms are a very strange thing because it's a life form. Whatever it is,

it's some sort of a weird life form that breathes oxygen. Mushrooms breathe oxygen like we do. Because we are mushrooms. We're fungus. We're fungus. No, really.

We're fungus. Something like, well, we're a biosystem, whatever the fuck we are. We're filled with all kinds of bio-organisms and skin, your skin's covered.

The dirt, the dirt, and the mud. Everything you eat, your gut biome, everything. It's all just a bunch of bacteria. Diamonds, gold, everything the world's made of. We're made out of those materials.

Minerals. We're made out of a fucking star exploding. It takes a star to blow up to make us. And we're made out of diamonds, minerals, and all that stuff. Is that real? We're made out of diamonds and minerals? I guess we're made out of all the same things. From the earth.

From carbon. We're a carbon-based life form, right? Hey, does it rain diamonds and Neptune and Jupiter? Check that out. There's some place like that, Duz, right? No, there is. That's why they always think they're sending these little things to these planets, sucking up stuff and coming back. I think they found a place that they think does no they rain diamonds yeah there's a place that they think two places right yeah on Neptune

it's raining diamonds holy shit icy gems may be forming deep inside Neptune and your rings yeah those are the two places I I found that out like 10 years ago. How wild is that? No, listen, as I was saying before, we don't know who the hell we are. So if it's rain, we're made out of rain, then we're made out of diamonds too. We're made out of gold. No, really.

Yeah, sure. We're made out of platinum on all of our distance. Well, we need a lot of that. You need iron in your body. You have to have iron. Your body needs actual iron. It's this way of dying. I was just looking at it with my 13

year old daughter. She's a genius. It's a form of dying where you prepare for dying. You turn into the fungus process. You prepare for dying. You stop eating. Your body slows down.

The fungus starts to process before you even for dying. You stop eating. And your body slows down. Yeah. And the fungus starts to process before you even start dying. Yeah, there's a monk that was doing that, right? That was the Buddha. That's what Buddha was doing. Buddha's pretty interesting. Buddha believed that suffering was self-suffering and God didn't create us to suffer. And that's what he lived for, to stop self-suffering hmm I was looking at the story a month ago I never I never understood that he was very

wealthy and he left over that and his wife and his children to stop suffering self-suffering really yeah yeah that those guys man the the idea of starving yourself and turning yourself into a mummy that wasn't uncommon They would do that. That was a real thing. They did. Yeah, there was one guy that got turned into a statue Did you ever see that? No, they they studied the statue of a monk that was in a lotus position And then they did an x-ray of it and they found out there's a skeleton inside the stuff. Yeah Yes, they made a statue out of this monk who they think probably, oh, look at this, mummified monk in Mongolia, not dead, said Buddhist.

Oh, this is a different one. They say he's not dead. They're like, hang on, don't call it yet. He's going to make a comeback. Oh, they said he's in a deep meditative trance and not dead. Forensic examinations are underway on the remains found wrapped in catalysts. Shogang is Kong's tomb. Do you think they know where it is?

It's under a mountain, they believe. You think so? Just check it out. Oh, look at this guy. Oh, my God. Worship for eternity. Oh, that's what you were talking about. Yeah.

Is it full? Yeah. Remember, they used to put themselves on fire and everything. Well, that was during the Vietnam War. One monk did that to protest. He covered himself in gasoline and lit himself on fire. That's that Rage Against the Machine album, the cover. Remember that?

I think death got a bad rap. Death has a bad rap. Yeah, I think we should be afraid of death, but we shouldn't cling to life. We should be appreciative of the time that we had here that was successful and the way that we evolved and just call it a day. And experience as much fun and as much happiness as you can while you're here. In order to enjoy happiness, there must be sadness. You've got to suffer.

Yeah. So let's stop just to always remember that. Life is not happiness. Happiness doesn't mean hee-hee-ha-ha. Happiness is adversity, overcoming adversity. Challenges. Yeah. Difficult things.

I went to Alaska once. I wanted to go there. I've been a few times, but I went this one time. I went to Prince Edward's Island. It rains constantly, constantly. I mean, we were camping, and it was raining while we were camping. So you never get dry. You're just constantly wet.

Tell me about the bears. Well, that was a place that didn't have big bears. They only had a few black bears. We didn't see any bears. We were looking for deer. We didn't get a deer. But we were up there camping in the rain, and then I came back to California. and i remember i called all my friends i go dude i've never been happier in my life because i was i was just drenched for like nine days or seven days or whatever we were but when

we came back it was just sunny and so it was i never felt better about the sun it felt so good you were talking about the deer just now i used to be a cold-blooded vegan until I met you and the venison and the bison and all that stuff. And then I realized that your body needs that. Your body, if you're gonna be a high-level performance athlete, it's very

likely that it could benefit from some animal protein. I've never eaten bison or venison. I've never eaten that in my life. I even go to the bathroom better. I think it's the best food you can eat. I really do. I'm always strong no matter what I'm taking, what I'm doing.

I'm always strong. No matter if I'm on a diet I'm not eating anything but just that and blueberries. I think bison is like a perfect food. I believe that too. It's perfect. I really that too. It's perfect. I really believe it. I don't get no after effects like I do from chicken or something, beef. Yeah, if you get organic bison, man, that is some amazing meat.

It's so good for it. It's so rich in protein too. So is like deer and moose and elk and all those different animals. Yeah, that's what I've been eating lately. It's so much better for you. I never knew about that stuff until I met you. Well, I'm glad you got into it. The only problem with that is you can't have a reliable amount of that stuff farmed.

Yeah, but I make sure it's enough. I always have it frozen in the freezer. I have a whole freezer of this bison, venison, all this is just oak, elk. It's a freezer, one freezer for that. Wow always just oh elk. It's a freezer one freezer Wow That's awesome. It's the best meat. I think I don't even look at it I don't look at it. I don't look at it. Red meat. You know it doesn't it'll make me I don't feel like I'm eating with me well. It's game You know it's like what it is is like an animal that is evolved to get away from the scariest predators. It's an animal in North America that's evolved to get away from mountain lions and wolves and grizzly bears.

That's what it's evolved to get away from. And now people. It's an amazing animal. Incredible animal. The nutrients in it, it's so dense. It feels better when you eat it. Yeah, it's so much superior than any food. Yeah me that way Yeah

It's um, it's fucking good for you Well, thank you. I appreciate that Mike Tyson. You're a bad motherfucker Yes, don't think you know you sometimes since I took the toad right and I thought I knew so much and then you do DMT you realize you know shit. just don't know anything i was just reading an article about that these vets that were um talking about their experience on on that same stuff on five meo dmt and then these trips that they were having how it would help them put things into perspective because it's just yeah it's so potent some of the things that you know after doing the total and some of the things that i've done in the past, I look at it and say,

who is that person? Right. What was that nonsense coming out? It's just a different thing. I can't articulate it. It's probably what created people, Mike. It's probably what created the ethical framework that made societies. It probably was tripping.

Probably like group tripping and then of course like love of family and love of friends and love of your companions and the people around you. That's all that DMT is about. It hits the love gland. It penetrates the love gland and it just over exaggerates it. And if you can feel good,

if you can relax when you're on a DMT trip it's like the most loving experience. If you can just relax. Wake up crying. Yeah yeah oh my god so much beauty like you can't believe it no someone else said this i said that they're coming back as a downer when you did the total and you come back oh god i know it's like regular life seems kind of dull it is because the mind is taking you so many places yeah i wonder if that's what happens when you die. That's what I wonder most about. This is what they

found out. What's the sole weight? 21 grams? 2.1 grams? Something like that? That was a movie, right? No, no, no. About when people died? It wasn't a movie. It was a fact. But it also was a movie. It showed where the person was on

the way before he died, on the scale. As soon as he died, he was 2.1 grams or 21 grams lighter. How much is it again, brother? 21. 21 grams. There was a movie about people dying and about – who was that? It was a popular movie.

Yeah, I think Ethan Hawke was in it. That's right. Ethan Hawke. Sean Penn. It was about that very thing. Sean Penn, Naomi Watts, Benicio Del Toro. Yeah. So is that, that is real? Like you're actually- Everybody dies.

They're delighted. 21 grams or 2.1 grams, something to that effect. I don't know. I wonder how they measure that. Like when do they know? They put him on the, while he's alive, he's on there right before he died. They weigh him while he's dying. So you let him die on a scale.

No, it's like a long scale while you're in your bed. Right, right, right. Oh, so you turn the bed into a scale. Pretty much, yeah. You could probably do that. It seems like you could be able to do that. Yeah. And when they die, they notice that the scale is lighter.

Whoa. 21 grams. I don't know how you measure 21 grams. I'm sure you do. That your spirit actually has a weight. Because imagine 21 grams making all this function. 21 grams got this guy over the computer reading and telling us that 21 grams is 21 grams. Yeah.

So imagine how much power that 21 gram has if it's missing as soon as you die? Is that real? So it comes from an experiment a guy did in 1907. God damn. Somebody might wanna run that one back. Yeah, we need to try that one again. Because if he's a liar, we got a problem. No, we need to try that again.

If he's right though, it's amazing. If he's right and then, I want him to be want him all right problem like I want him to be right 2001 physicist Lewis Hollander published an article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration where he exhibited the results of a similar experiment tested the weight of one ram seven you use three lambs one goat at the moment as well mm-hmm yeah wait a minute say that again so so he did it with their bodies. Upon death, they lost weight? His experiment showed that seven of the adult sheep varied their weight upon dying,

though not losing it, but rather gaining an amount. What? Sheep gain weight? They gain weight when they die? I'm trying, I'm reading it in real time. Listen, this is like my car. I'm seeing flying stars. Yeah, there's two stars.

I'm like, what's going on here? I should have probably told you. Yeah, this is like, my car's the same way. The stars are flying. Yeah, there's a shooting star on the roof every like 40 seconds or something. Suddenly after smoking, whoa. Yeah.

It's not scientific fact, but it is an experiment people have tried to recreate. Well, if it's not scientific, how come it's an experience that's successful? What is scientific?

You try something and it works, right? I think the reason why they say that is because it was in 1907, is that what you said? And it hasn't been recreated. And if it did get recreated...

So why do they keep still labeling it 2.1 gram or 21 gram? I think it's just to go with the old study that that guy made. That's crazy that you can make a study, you can do a test, some experiments in 1907. Think it'd be different now? I wonder. I would like to know.

Did anybody try that test recently? It'd be amazing if they did. Even during the test, though, only one of the six patients measured that 21 grams. So how come it's so legendary now? It's hard to say. I'm trying to figure out why. How come they always put one on over us, right? Johnny over the nickel or something like that.

It literally could just be because it got published here, like in the New York Times, and because of that, people just ran with it. It's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers. It's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers. It's a bunch of dumb motherfuckers. New York Times, fake news. Could be. All the way back in, what year was this? 1907.

Damn. Oh, you know, the bunch of lying ass, rednecks back then, lying motherfuckers. But it's a cool thing to see, like to see written, like that your soul actually has a weight to it. Like you say, oh my God, it's proven. 28 grams or 21 grams. But in fact, they don't really know. Hey, listen, I never underestimate the ancients.

I don't underestimate them. No. Their thinking capacity. No, I think there was a time, Mike, I'm inclined to believe there was a time where people were at least as advanced as we are, maybe even more so, and they got wiped out by something. Think about this. Think about some motherfuckers. I'm here and some motherfuckers, excuse me,

some gentlemen are in New York and we're having a conversation. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, we're having a conversation. Through the air. Yeah, through the air. Yeah, and you could do it Zoom time, in real time. No, but at one time I'm sure they could,

like that story we think where you think about somebody, and all of a sudden he rings. I'm sure they were able to do that stuff. It's on the drop of a dime. Hey, let's call a wheel drill. Hey, how you doing? Hey, it's me, Mike, man. Long time no see.

I hear from him. He is talking to Telekalepsy, whatever they call it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think we're going to have, that's going to be, they have glasses now. What are the Ray-Ban puts out glasses? They look like regular glasses or sunglasses and you can like record things through them. You're going to be able to see things through them like GPS and all those augmented reality things.

And it's going to be in your head. My wife believes, oh, listen, my wife thinks I'm such a she is um my wife sees i don't even want to say my wife thinks my i will say i won't use the word she used my wife thinks i haven't evolved because i carry a lot of cash on me she said probably shouldn't tell people that mike Mike. What? Listen. I've never seen a person. I carry a lot of cash with me. And my wife says, look at you. You haven't evolved.

You still carry all that. What do you carry all that money for? You're just looking for trouble. I said, no, I'm not looking for trouble. You need that credit card to get this. So that's what that credit card is. You need the credit card to get this. You can't get this without that. You know, you can't work this.

How are you going to get somebody? They want to know where the money's at. So I'm the guy who keeps cash on me. Yeah. And that's just what I do. She called me another word, but I won't tell you what she called me. I just keep cash on me. Well, I used to play pool.

Listen, I just found out today that my assistant has my credit card. My credit card was gone for two years. I thought it was gone. Your assistant had the whole time? This week they had my credit card. Oh, that's hilarious. I said, baby, find out if anybody's called it on my credit card or something, because I didn't see it in two years.

I'm lost. I don't know what happened when I canceled my credit card. And next thing I know, Troy told me, Mike, I got your credit card. This is two years. That's hilarious. How about a heads up? I wish. You want to tell me you I got your credit card. This is two years. That's hilarious. How about a heads up? I don't want to tell me you have my fucking credit card. I used to play pool a lot.

We always had money. I always carried some amount of cash on me because people always wanted to gamble. So I always had a few hundred bucks on me. Exactly. You know what they found out now? They said Mr. Biden's son is hanging out with um whitey bulger's people his nephew and stuff what look it up look it up brother what's his name again james james say james look at that jamie see james gonna find out whitey bulger and man listen i like this biting son guy man i don't

i know he probably got some issues i kind of like of like this guy, man. I tried to get it on the podcast. Look at this stuff, man. Whitey Bulger's nephew played role in Hunter Biden's Chinese business ventures. Excuse me. I'm coughing here. Monster Whitey Bulger's nephew played role in Hunter Biden's Chinese business ventures. But that don't mean he's a bad guy because he's Whitey's nephew. No, it's not. No, that don't mean he's.

What did he do? He's a businessman. That's just what I think. That's just me personally. He has nothing to do with it. That's not his fault. It's his nephew. Yeah, I mean, his nephew's not responsible for his crimes.

He can't help it that this is Whitey Bojan. He's my uncle. Exactly. But I think Hunter Biden knows how to party. I'll tell you that. Hey, I have mad respect for him on that party yeah i mean the dude is partying you gotta know i know i probably lose some points by saying that this guy is really cool but he seemed to be really fucking cool well you know he looks like a wild motherfucker it's kind of funny that the it's

always funny when a president who's like this button down you know like put together the president has a wild motherfucker as a son that's not true you know what happens with us the things that we hide all our life comes out in our children can never avoid who you are right I bet all the politicians were wild back in the 60s if you want listen I was told this from a guy that was a what's the guy what's that guy he said if you remember the 60s, you weren't there. Yeah, you believe this guy told me that? That's perfect.

All those guys that remember the 60s, they weren't there. That's hilarious. Mike, we're going to do your podcast after this. We are? Yeah. So we're three hours and 20 minutes, I think, into this one. Oh, it's a what? I got to do Relevant?

Let's wrap this up. Oh, yeah, Relevant is this new people's app? Yes. And what is this? You're involved in this? Absolutely. I'm a shareholder in this company because I was canceled because I smoke weed on my show. So they canceled me.

So I got involved with this app. So when you say they canceled you, who canceled you? YouTube? Is it still on YouTube? Yes, yes, yes. But— Is it still on YouTube? Hotboxing?

Is it still on YouTube? Yes, yes, yes But Is it still on YouTube? Hot boxing? I believe there was a couple of them That were kind of skimmish Because I was smoking of course Oh, okay

And I believe now that I'm with Relevant I'm able to smoke without anybody giving me any shit And if they don't like it I can cancel you Oh, you don't like me? You'll cancel you, motherfucker Fuck you I'm canceling you

You How does one get this relevant app? Is it in the app store? Absolutely It's like for iTunes And for Android It's for all that? Hey listen

Just look for it They give you all the information you need Relevant R-E-L-E-V-N-T Absolutely Okay If you want to know more about me You look for MikeTyson.com

And you know all that stuff And so your podcast from here forward Will be on that? Is that how people can find it? Yes, yes. Okay. Wait till you meet my staff. I have...

I met a bunch of them. Oh, really? You see the young lady that's just so... She's... Go get her. Yeah, man. Yes. It's pretty...

I won't say masculinity is what it is. I was going to say toxic masculinity, but I know it's just masculinity. It's just strength. Yeah, she's a strong sister. And you can get... So that app's available now. And can you get it on YouTube still? It's on YouTube still. Everything, yes.

So it's on everything. Beautiful. And you also have another cannabis line, right? Like you stopped doing the Tyson Farms and you moved to. Tyson 2.0. And we have this soda that's coming out that's really interesting it's um i'm gonna give you more information probably on my show i believe it's a nootropic it's like a nootropic soda it's really awesome yeah that's exciting yeah it's really awesome

and it's with jones soda which is like they make great so listen um and then we did Mike. But let's check this out. Look at this. Tyson 2.0. Oh, baby. Our strains. Store locator. Look at that. And may I give testament to the veracity of your marijuana. Listen, brother, thank you very much. It's fantastic. It's strong.

This is a dream come true. Dude, I'm one of your biggest fans of all time. I just can't believe I can't. I'm always shocked when I'm sitting down talking to you. I just can't believe that, you know. Listen, just by the grace of God, I'm just very grateful. Well, I'm very grateful, too. It's an honor to know you.

It really is. From the time when I was a kid, no bullshit. I was a giant fan, and you're a cool motherfucker. Thank you. I've been called worse, but you know. I love you. All right. Thank you, everybody, and we'll see you later.

Bye. Love, brother.