The Joe Rogan Experience - #1810 - Remi Warren

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

Remi Warren is a hunting guide, writer, television personality, and host of the "Live Wild with Remi Warren" podcast.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. And we're up, Remy Warren. How are you, brother? Yeah, pretty good, man. How are you? What's going on? So we were talking last night when we were hanging out about your hand. So tell me what's going on with that. Yeah, I just actually had a wrist surgery and just doing something stupid. I don't even know if I want to tell the story how I did it.

It's so dumb. But I tore the, like, I guess tendons in there and stuff that kind of controls all that. So I went in, took some out of my forearm. You're going to have to tell everybody now. Yeah, I know. I was like, what did you do? Well, okay, this is the truth. Well, I don't even actually 100% know.

But it was like, you know when you just, I don't know, you get an injury and you think like, you don't even think about it. You just keep doing your shit. Right. And it was like last September, I shot a pretty good bull elk in New Mexico. And I'm like skinning it out and I couldn't use my hand very well, so I, like, taped the knife in my hand and do the whole thing, and the guys that are with me are looking at me like, that's not right, man. You should probably get that checked out.

And I was thinking, I was like, yeah, I probably should. So I went to the doctor, and I was just thinking, like, they're going to say, ah, it's, you know, nothing. And they're like, this is a major injury. Like, how long has it been like this? I was like, I don't know, three months or so. And they're like, oh, yeah, this is – how did you do it? I been like this I don't know three months or so and they're like oh yeah this is how'd you do it I was like I don't know they said it consistent with like a fall from maybe 10 feet straight onto your wrist and I couldn't think I was like I I would remember

that they're like you would remember it and I started thinking back like the following January I was duck hunting and these these mallards are coming in and like pretty high up. So I shoot one and it is probably like, I don't know, 30 feet up, flying 30 miles an hour. And it's coming right at me and I think, oh, I'll reach up and try to catch it out of the air so it doesn't hit me in the face and bent my hand back. And I think that that's what tore it. And then just never, I just taped the fingers up and never like healed right.

And then a combination of that when I was in, and then I was in BC this last last year like hiking across a mountain had the trekking pole and my wrist just gave out slammed into the hill and that was kind of i think the last straw finally probably tore everything oh so you probably had it hurt from the mallard yeah and then and then you know a combination like fall like and then just overuse and then gave it the rest and so they just went in opened it up on both sides took that drilled holes through everything and then screwed it to my there's a bone in my arm i guess so do they use other tendons do they yeah they there's like these two cuts here i don't know i you know one of the things i didn't want to do is research it too much because I was like, yeah, I don't really want to know what's going on. I was like, sometimes

the oblivious thing is a little bit better, but they took them out of my forearm here and then used those. They drilled, there's like a bunch of little bones in here. So there's like the, it's like an SL reconstruction kind of thing. So there's a bunch of little bones in there and they just opened it up on both sides, essentially drilled through. So there's a bunch of little bones in there. And they just opened it up on both sides, essentially drilled through. So there's holes all the way through. Then they took those tendons, wrapped it around, and then screwed it to my forearm. But I guess when they were screwing it in, they broke a drill bit. And then they tried to get it out with another drill bit and then broke that.

And then they used the chuck key and a hammer to get it all out so they wouldn't leave it in there. So it's like, I think surgery, any kind of surgery, I think, is pretty crazy to me. It's like pretty barbaric in some ways. Is that the first major surgery you've ever had? Yeah, the first one. Yeah. So you're two weeks out, is that what you said,

from getting the cast removed? Yeah, from getting the cast removed. And are you just getting range of motion back? Yeah, it's a little bit like it looks crazy yeah it's weird i mean i've been working on it i kind of sit here i'm actually kind of used to just like pushing on it trying to move it a little bit all day do you have uh straps so that you can work out with your arm so you don't lose your arm yeah i've been starting to do that for sure you ever seen those hooks yeah yeah those are great yeah a lot of guys like with hand injuries they use those so you can you can keep working out with your arm and you don't put the the pressure on your hand

yeah that's what i i like right after i got it off i went to home depot and just made a bunch of stuff but yeah you like it with anything i mean this is obviously not uh permanent but like right now well you know i i shoot my bow all the time and when you when you're used to like getting up and shooting your bow every day and you can't shoot your bow yeah you start to it just feels weird so i got uh i just started shooting like a mouth tab so you just draw it back with your teeth yeah dudley did that john dudley uh had shoulder surgery back in the day, and he switched over to the other arm because he had shoulder surgery on his left. Oh, okay. So he switched over to holding the bow with his right and pulling it with his mouth tab.

I think that would be more weird. That's a lot of weirdness. Because you're switching your hand and using your mouth. Yeah, he limited himself, I think, to like 30 yards or something like that he didn't feel confident over 30 yards yeah it's like traditional bow hunting at that point he's got videos of him shooting animals i think he shot a grizzly with a mouth tab huh because i was i was doing a little bit of research a lot of his videos popped up yeah i'm gonna have to look at that oh mouth tab research yeah well he'll be here in a couple hours yeah you'll be able to talk to him I think he did a little bit I was using like

I'm using like a leather piece a friend of mine uh who shoots mouth tab um he's he gotta be set yeah there's oh yeah there's John yeah yeah it's it's a weird oh he's got like a dog collar kind of style yeah it's pretty interesting I was was thinking, though, for some things, like if I'm self-filming or solo hunting, I've got a free hand. You know when your peep turns? Mm-hmm, yeah. I was noticing that.

When you've got your mouth happy, I can actually reach over and just adjust things. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's really nice. Your peep, that's annoying, man. It is. The peep thing's annoying. I don't know why they haven't worked that out yet.

No. Yeah, there used to be, like like when you first started shooting a bow, there was a rubber band that would go from the peep and stick on your riser so you'd pull it straight every time. It's kind of annoying, but it would keep it straight. Somebody developed something that adjusts your peep sight. I think it's one of the Bomars. I think they had some sort of a thing that they... He's got...

Bomar's got... Josh Bomar's got a few things that he's invented that are interesting. Like this little nose thing that touches your nose. Yeah, a lot of... Cam likes that. He was using that. Dudley hates it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I think you get used to something

and then it's like... Yeah, exactly. You get used to your nose touching the string. You get used to your nose touching the string. You get used to whatever it is and then you just go with it. It is funny, though, if you take time off of archery, you do feel like, man, there's something missing in my life. Oh, yeah. Archery is meditation. It is. Yeah.

And when you do it your entire life, too, it's just like this weird thing of actually I'd have like the cast on and you get into a routine of doing something, anything. And when I'm home, that's what I do. I shoot my bow and I shoot it multiple times a day. So it's like every time I do, I've got like a target right out my back door. So when I'm at home, like, okay, breakfast, I shoot my bow and then I've got a range a little further away. So you just like, I would go and I grabbed the bow and I'd look at my hand. Oh shit. I completely forgot. This is going to be difficult. So. Well, Well, I'm sure you've seen that one guy who shoots his bow with his feet. Yeah, that's incredible. Isn't that wild?

Yeah. I'm not sure how he releases. He's not using a mouth tab, right? He's got some sort of a hinge style setup. Yeah, I'm not sure. See if you can find that guy. John coached him as well. Dudley coached him as well, yeah.

I mean, that guy's incredible. Like, watching him do that with his feet, like, wow. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he's got a release on his shoulder. So I think it's something he does where he, like, twists his head a little bit to release. Or maybe it's just – it might just be attention-based. Yep. You know?

That's cool. Yeah. I don't know how he's doing it, but it's just it might just be attention based yeah you know that's cool yeah i don't know how he's doing it but it's pretty amazing it's really yeah it's really incredible wild shit man people find a way you know if you only have your your legs to use it's incredible the kind of dexterity that people can develop in their legs. It's so wild. Like, look at him push back with his, the bow in between his big toe and his second toe. That's crazy. Even just the hamstring flexibility,

I don't think I could ever do that. And strength to hold your leg out there in that horizontal position like that. Yeah, so it looks like he's, like's almost kind of got a back tension style release where he's pulling back and then it hits his shin kind of and goes off. Yeah, it seems like he's got one of those silverback type deals. Yeah. Something along those lines. People find a way.

They do. Yeah. So your situation, do they think that you'll fully recover with your hand like this? I don't know. I probably won't ever get the same full range of motion. But you'll have strength? Yeah, I'll get strength back. It should be pretty good.

That's good. You're already moving your hand. My friend Tom Segura had a pretty bad hand and arm injury, and his hand is not – that was over a year ago, and he's not fully recovered. Yeah, I don't know. So your hand looks pretty damn good compared to his. My thing is just keep moving it. Get that motion back because it's weird. Yeah, that's got to be odd.

It is. Yeah, it's weird and no feeling in part of it. So it's just like that weird grip thing. You don't really realize it. I hurt my wrist boxing when I was like 22, and then when I was around 30, it was always nagging, and I got prolo therapy. You know what prolo therapy is? No.

I guess whatever I've got is like some sort of a tendon issue, and they injected. It's like a glucose solution that they inject directly into your tendons, and it inflames the tendons and actually makes them thicker and stronger. It's really painful while they're doing it because they're just multiple injections digging into that tendon and injecting it with this fluid that if I might be butchering like the actual mechanism behind doing it, I probably am, but it really worked. It had a big impact. How often? Just like one time? I did it twice. I believe I did it twice in my wrist, but it never bothered me again. And like every now and then it'll act up a little, like if I do too much boxing work and I don't tape my wrists up properly. Yeah.

But pretty impressive that they could figure out a way to strengthen ligaments by making them swell up. That's really crazy. Yeah. It inflames them and then they actually get thicker and stronger. The things that they figure out, you're like, that's beyond my skills and abilities. I'll just stick to hunting. So, first of all, I love your podcast.

I love the old one that now Jason Phelps stole from you. But the new one is great, too. The new one is Live Wild. Yep, Live Wild podcast. How many subscribers did you lose in going from closing the distance to Live Wild? I don't know. Actually, I think we're back up. We're probably higher than we were.

Oh, that's great. Yeah. Oh, that's fucking awesome. Yeah. That's good. It's been really good. Because that's the big fear, right? When someone leaves a network or something like that and you leave one podcast and you

essentially started from scratch. Yeah, exactly. Just the same. It's like the same podcast, just kind of a new name, new place kind of thing. It started from scratch. Yeah, exactly. Just the same. It's like the same podcast, just kind of a new name, new place kind of thing. It's a good name too, though. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it was one of the ones that I've kind of always used that as just kind of this philosophy that I live by of the things that I like to do.

I like that wild feeling of being out there and doing something in the wild that seems maybe things that other people aren't doing. What was, how fucked was the pandemic for you? Did you halt all activities or? No, not really. There was still a lot of, a lot of hunting stuff that was opened. For the first part of it, it was actually all right. Like my wife and I, we just, we kind of escaped to our little cabin and nothing was different yeah you're like okay cool we're just doing our thing and weren't around people anyways so it's a good excuse to live wild right yeah the the thing that um for me especially is you know we

saw a pretty good like increase in the number of people that were thinking about where their food comes from and how they can be more self-sufficient yeah and maybe even a lot of people that were thinking about where their food comes from and how they can be more self-sufficient. Yeah. And maybe even a lot of people that maybe went hunting when they were a kid. I got so many messages of people like, man, your podcast has really helped me because I haven't thought about hunting since I was a kid. I went out with my dad. Now this pandemic, I've got a little bit of time,

plus I'm worried about having, you know, food. My friends that don't hunt, I was their first, like, you'd hear all that news, like, ah, meat shortage, this, that, and the other thing. They'd be like, hey, man, I don't know if you remember me, but like, yeah, I'll hook you up. And we got plenty of burger. We got plenty of stuff. Yeah. I had a lot of friends contact me because a lot of the guys that came to the podcast studio knew I had commercial freezers at the studio. Oh yeah. So guys came by, hooked them up with sausages and roasts and you know it was cool i like doing that though it's nice i just send pictures when you cook it yeah that's all i'd say

yeah it's fun for me too because you like it's a way for me to introduce people to what i really love yeah they like try it because i think through that food experience people that don't hunt can understand hunting in many ways and that's that's a big thing for me is even my wife i think she didn't start hunting till we were together and it was through food like she loved the wasn't she like a vegetarian no she wasn't no she she ate meat i thought she was a vegan activist i don't know if we would have got to her second date she was never a vegetarian or anything like that okay i have a false memory. Maybe someone else. Maybe.

Yeah, there's a few of those guys out there that dated a vegetarian and then converted her to the dark side. Yeah. No, but I think it was just through that wild game where she just decided, oh, well, I really enjoy eating it, and now I'd like to be a part of this process. That's cool. And go myself, yeah. That's really cool.

Yeah, it's exciting. I mean, I haven't taken my kids hunting yet but i've taken them fishing a bunch of times and they love that they cooked or they caught our dinner you know like when we're all sitting down at the dinner table and we're eating some delicious fish that they caught they fucking love it like i caught this like and you know they've been doing that since they were really little like they can't even remember the first time they went fishing because we've i've i figured like hunting is a tough ask for a little kid to blow away a deer. Also, a bad shot.

If I get a bad shot, I can handle it. It's not fun. I don't like it, but I can handle it. I am not going to put my kid through that. I want to make sure that they are really fucking accurate before they go hunting. Yeah. I always think of is like the gateway drug to hunting like you can like you you kind of learn the basics of what it means to get your own food you learn the basics of like the entire experience and that that was something that i was worried about when

my wife started hunting is is making sure she had the right shot making sure everything was steady making sure that it was going to go right. Right. Because, yeah, I didn't want her to have like a really bad experience. But also when we're hunting, that's what we're doing. You just have more experience in deciding what's going to be a good shot or a bad shot. And sometimes, you know, there are those times where you have to, maybe you didn't do something right and you have to learn from that.

Yeah. No one cares if you have a dead fish on Instagram. No one cares. It's so weird. It's a really fascinating exercise in the value of life because I did a post a long time ago, like a series of posts, like the hierarchy of dead animals on social media. And I said like lowest rung is a fillet of fish, like looking down at a fish, a piece of fish. No one cares.

A little above that is a dead fish. Like, okay. A little above that's a dead bird. Like I was holding a dead turkey. Nobody really cared. No one's angry. I go, well, let's kick things up a bit. And then I showed a picture of bear meat.

And I'm like, is this bear loin? And that was in, you know, like Saran Wrap. And like, okay, now things are getting weird. Like, you can show bear meat. This is a bear steak. Yeah. And people don't get mad. But if you have an actual dead bear, people will lose their fucking shit and want to kill you.

You should die, you vile piece of shit. And they'll get so angry. Yeah. Yeah, we just, we put value on certain, and fish are at the bottom of that. The bottom. Why? I guess it's just because we don't relate to the fact that they don't really love their kids. Something.

They don't take care of their children. They shit them out, and they just keep moving. Yeah, and I mean, outside of an aquarium, you don't really see them as on your level. They're just below the surface they're they're fast growing they come and go there's no connection with a person like i think i connect more with plants than i do with a fish i think so too yeah i spray the plants like how you doing guys what's up you know like take care of a plant in your house and you have a connection with that thing yeah fish are just these this thing that's, there's like life form with no emotions, just like

looking ahead. The only living thing below fish would be like Christmas trees and flowers. Or bugs. Yeah, bugs. People have no problem eating bugs. No. You know, like that's the one thing that people are saying that like, as meat shortages and food shortages happen, I don't know why everyone's predicting all these goddamn food shortages.

It's kind of freaking me out because I hear it about in the news constantly. Look, food shortages are coming. Food shortages are coming. How? There's so much food. What are we doing? What are we going to do differently in six months than we're doing now that you're assuming there's going to be food shortages?

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either. I think a few people could use a little less food in their life. Yeah. So maybe there's that, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know. Now there's all the conspiracies of all the factories burning down,

and I'm like, I just- I'm sure they were burning factories already. I'm sure there was something going on. I mean, you know, it's like how many factories are there? How many food processing factories are there? Are there thousands? Have we lost two? Like what's going on?

Yeah, I'm not sure. What should I be scared of? It's like it just, there's so much money in keeping people scared. That's what's fucked because like when you look at the news online, like the value of a clickbaity title, it's undeniable.

Like when you get a good title, like food shortages, like, oh, my children are going to starve. Let me click. You're instantaneously drawn into it, and then they're rewarded. So they continue to publish more fear-mongering articles and more scary articles. Yeah, and maybe some of those articles actually cause it as well. Maybe.

Like panic buying and all that kind of stuff. I'm worried that it's a cry wolf type situation. I'm going to ignore it, and then I'm going to go to the supermarket, and there's no rice? How come you guys don't have any rice? There's no more rice. Like where do you get rice? Is there another store that I can get rice?

Is there no more rice? No more rice. What are we doing? That's why I feel like I think that whole reason is why people have turned to hunting and being self-sufficient. Because right now, if there was a food shortage, I'd be fine for quite a while. I mean, I wouldn't have a variety of diet, and I'm not saying it would be the most comfortable thing, but it's pretty much not a lot would change for me. As long as the power stays on and the freezers keep running, good to go.

Yeah. Or I'd be firing up my dehydrator. I could eat, my family could eat and my friends could eat for a year. Yeah. You know, I have a year's worth of food, which is nice. And I eat mostly meat anyway. Yeah. You know, it's mostly meat and fruit. That's basically my diet these days. Yeah. Do you grow anything like any vegetables or anything in your backyard? I don't. You're always on the road. Yeah. That's what, when you're, when you're gone a lot, I've tried, we've got fruit trees cause those are kind of low maintenance. You don't have to like plant them every year. So yeah, I'd be on the meat and fruit train as well. Are you like, how often are you traveling a year? At one point in time, I remember I talked to you,

you said you were hunting about 250 days a year. Yeah. mean i don't know i haven't really like broken it down in the last couple years has been so random as well um but it's a lot of days i spend a lot of days out there whether it's you know hunting for myself doing some filming stuff um guiding people i still do that i don't advertise it because it's just, we're so busy, whatever. Um, and then it's still probably, it's probably up there in the 200 range. And just, is it mostly in this country? I know you do a lot of stuff in New Zealand too. Are you still doing that? Yeah. Well, they've, they've been shut down. I'm going back as soon as they open up, but, um, are they open now or No, not yet. Still not. Wow. They will be here pretty shortly. It's interesting how different countries

handle this differently, isn't it? Yeah. But I was actually down in Argentina last month. Oh, really? Yeah. And it was pretty cool. It was the first time I've been there because I normally go to New Zealand during their fall, you know, Southern Hemisphere fall, where it's chasing red deer and they're

rutting. So it's just like elk, but opposite seasons. But they have like a roar. It sounds like a lion. Yeah, it's a mix between a beef cow and a lion. It's like a roar. See if you can find a stag roaring, audio of a stag roaring. It's a strange sound. It is weird.

Like elk and stags, both of them, have the fucking coolest noises they make they do it's Yeah Look how beautiful that thing is What a wild noise. Look at his boner, too. Lipstick hanging out. He's excited. Yeah.

He's trying to get some. Are they basically the same size as an elk? Yeah, a little bit smaller, probably like the size of a mature cow elk. Jack Carr was just down in that area in Argentina hunting stags. That was amazing. Yeah. He loves it down there. It's cool, man.

Especially when they're – well, where I was hunting is so thick that they had to be roaring. Otherwise, you aren't going to find them. It's just flat and thick. So they've got to be vocal like that. Otherwise, it's going to be very difficult to find any of them and is it like the the area that you're going to is it a hilly air it's just flat pretty flat yeah interesting yeah and so they just like do you find their beds do you know where they go or do you just have to find them by roaring roaring wow that's interesting yeah yeah so you like you make a roar sound and then you'll get them, just like elk bugling.

Oh, really? So you have a roar tube? Yeah, you just use your voice. Oh. Yeah. So there's no elk call thing, like a Phelps call? I don't think, no. I mean, there probably is, but I don't think it's as good as what you can do with your voice.

Let me hear a roar. No, on one spot. Let me get some water. I mean, you'd normally do it into a tube, but... Right. That's pretty good. That was pretty solid. Yeah. That was pretty good. And I mean, they've

got things, but you know, you're just... And when you're out there, you hear them, it's a little easier to kind of match that sound and that pitch. Do the females have a sound as well? Yeah, they're kind of like a cow elk. Kind of cow elk. Interesting. Yeah.

Are they native to Argentina or did they get brought over there? Brought over. Same as New Zealand. Like, they're one of those animals, it's everybody left England and they're like, we miss home and we want something to eat and chase or run around our state. And so they just let them out. What year did they do that? In Argentina, I can't even remember.

18 something. So they probably did it on boats. Yeah. Brought them over on boats. Yeah, boats. Wow. Probably train. How did they even capture them back then?

They'd have their estates and they'd probably set up a feed trap where they'd go in and they'd close the gates kind of thing. And then they brought them over in boats. Yep. They put them on in crates, have somebody tend them. A lot of them, like there's a lot of, well, when they went to New Zealand, they would start out with 20 and then seven would make it or whatever it was. And they just let them go.

And now there's giant populations running around random places around the world. Lots of different animals they've done that with. Yeah, New Zealand is a bizarre place in that regard. There's so many animals that are non-native animals that have massive populations that they even – don't they do helicopter calls? Yeah, helicopter calls. They do a lot of poisoning. Almost like poisoned grain. Wow. Just because there's so many of them, they have to control the population. Yeah, because there of poisoning. Almost like poisoned grain. Wow.

Crazy stuff. Just because there's so many of them, they have to control the population. Yeah, because there's no predators. People don't realize how effective predators are. They eat a lot and they kill a lot. And they definitely manage that ecosystem in some ways. Now, when the predators get out of check, then the populations kind of go crazy as well. But predators are super efficient at managing populations. When you don't have those predators,

then humans have to be that predator. Because the trouble is, you think like, oh, well, we'll just let them run amok, right? Well, then they're going to make certain species of grasses go extinct that are native only there. They're going to destroy the habitat to a point where not some of them survive, none of them survive. survive yeah and then diseases yeah which is very common in overpopulation yeah yeah you can see the predator situation in the difference between the amount of deer that you find in california versus the amount of deer that you find in texas absolutely because in texas uh predators are not protected so um mountain lions are basically like vermin. Yeah.

You could just shoot one. No one cares. Whereas in California, you're going to fucking jail. Like you have to have a depredation permit. Like even if you do that, the animal rights activists will find out about you. There was a woman that had an alpaca farm in Malibu. farm in um um in malibu and she was getting this problem with this one cat was visiting her alpaca farm and just joy killing so he'd hop the fence and kill like you know six or seven alpacas just fuck them up and not even eat them and so they issued a depredation permit but then the press

got a hold of it and because it was a kind of a wild story that this mountain lion was targeting this woman's farm. And then the animal activist started sending her death threats, and she was freaking out, and so she decided not to even exercise the permit because she was going to hire someone and have it taken care of. It's like the thing about mountain lions in California is they kill the exact same amount of mountain lions as they did when mountain lion hunting was legal. Yeah. It's just now the state has to pay for it versus money coming in from hunters buying

tags and paying all the other things that you would do that go along with mountain lion hunting, whether it's dogs or guides or hotels, food, all that revenue is gone. And instead, it's just a negative because now they have to hire government hunters who have to go after these mountain lions that wind up killing a lot of dogs. And they kill the same amount every year, though. Yeah. It's kind of nuts. I've actually seen that in some cases, it's higher. But the population increases, that number number increases but it's just people aren't seeing it but it just makes people feel okay that hunters aren't killing mountain lions but instead like these government hit men are and you don't know about it it's so dumb but it's but there's

still a massive mountain lion population and it's fucking hard to find deer in california there's not a lot no yeah between the deer and the bears, the predator populations are really high. And when you go, like you say, I mean, a lot of people that I talk to live in California. Like, man, I hunted an entire week, didn't see a single deer. I've actually hunted in California and seen, you'll go out for five days and probably see seven to 12 bears, something like that. Yeah. Maybe one deer, you know. It's nuts.

It's crazy. it's that's just what happens it's what happens when you don't manage properly or if you manage with emotions and you know and the the general perception of the public that's not informed instead of using wildlife biology and science and you know what they do in most sane places where they regulate the animal population based on what they understand from the surveys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things when you've got this crazy ecosystem where it's tightly managed and people are like, well, just let nature take its course. And like we've already we've completely screwed up nature.

Yeah. screwed up nature yeah the fact that you're living there existing there you think about like all these the the plant species that are in north america right now should never be here like we can never get back to that equilibrium we've fucked it up way too much it's too far gone it's like it's this crazy idea of like it'd be nice but it can't happen you know because if that were to happen there you'd have to have like a mass eradication of so many animals. I mean, just to like be like, oh, let's get everything back to normal. Well, you'd have to kill off all the wild horses and nobody wants to do that. Right.

But you couldn't, you know, because those wild horses will make a lot of native species go extinct. Right. You know, they can outcompete. They can do things that other animals can't. They can survive certain predators in other situations. Like they're just better at surviving and they can take over a landscape and so you're like let's just put things back to normal well you're gonna have to eradicate a lot of shit that's a really good example wild horses because that is an emotional animal people get so they people who love horses they love

horses the way people love dogs yeah the idea of eating a horse or shooting a horse infuriates people. Yeah. Like I talked about, I was in Montreal and Canada has a different take on horses. And we're at Joe Beef. Have you ever been to Montreal? Joe Beef is an insanely good restaurant. One of my favorite in the world. And they served us horse. I was like, oh, Like, I don't know how I feel about this. Yeah. But it looked like a piece of elk. It was delicious. Yeah, I mean, I've had it in a couple outside of the U.S., obviously.

And, yeah, for the most part, you don't even know what it is until somebody tells you. I think it kind of tastes a little sweeter than beef or something. But it is pretty lean, too. It's very lean. It's kind of more like elk meat or something. Yeah, some kind of game type animal but it's uh it's so emotional we did an episode of fear factor once where people had to eat horse rectum and uh people were so angry the horse people were furious they called up more worried about it being a horse than a rectum right yeah they didn't care about rectums it's like yeah, yeah, that's normal.

Well, it just looks like an organ. It just looks like a tube. It doesn't look like where shit comes out of. Right. You know? Yeah. What sausage is stuffed in. But you think about all the wild animals that they would have to eradicate from this country.

Like, how would they get rid of all the nutrias? They can't even find those little fuckers. Nutrias, hogs. Right. Feral cats. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, everything. The feral hogs is a real problem, right?

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of places. How are you going to get them? There's millions of them. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to bring it back to normal.

There's no normal anymore. No, there isn't. And even just, like, I mean, a larger portion of it is habitat. Yeah. You think about, you're like, well, these big animals, they need big habitat, and they need suitable habitat, and they need a certain kind of habitat. And you think about that, like mule deer, and you go, well, what's a mule deer need? Well, they need a winter range.

And where are you building your houses in the winter range? So we'd have to get rid of a lot of houses. We'd have to displace a lot of people to get things back to normal. It's just never going to happen. You would have to put elk everywhere, like the entire country. You'd have to get things back to normal. Like it's just never going to happen. You would have to put elk everywhere. Like the entire country. You'd have to get rid of every fence. Yeah.

And you definitely, I mean, seriously though, like agriculture would have to cease because every time you go, yeah, there's, you're like, oh yeah, this cornfield is great until you harvest it because you harvest it before winter time. It doesn't leave any food on the ground for the animals. So it's not only tearing away habitat, like they need somewhere, all animals need food, water, and shelter, just like us, right? But if you tear out all that riparian area, you tear out all the trees, everything else, then they don't have that home. And so now it's just a field, which part of the year they can live in and it's great. But the rest of the year, they don't have anywhere to go to survive the winter.

They don't have anywhere to go to survive predators. They just have a barren plot of ground. Yeah. So you have to get rid of all that. You have to get rid of fences. You have to get rid of a lot of things. That's a dirty reality for people that only eat vegetables. Like monocrop agriculture and those giant swaths of land, that is completely unnatural.

And that absolutely causes the death of countless animal lives. Yeah. Because all the different things that get ground up in the process of making that soil available for farming and grinding up, like the cultivation of all those plants, The cultivation of all those plants, whether it's using combines or whether it's what they're doing to churn up the soil, all that stuff kills a bunch of shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. the exact amount that they pay them, but to just leave it as like habitat because they notice that so much land is being demolished just for agriculture that there's nowhere for animals to actually live. What does CRP stand for? I can't remember.

I was watching that on an episode of Yellowstone when they were talking about CRP. Conservation Reserve Program. Is that the name of it? You know about that thing they're doing in the American Prairie Reserve? Do you know that thing they're doing in the middle of the country? They're trying to essentially replicate something similar to what it looked like before modern settlers or the European settlers rather, American Prairie Reserve. So they're trying to buy up enormous swaths of land, far bigger than Yellowstone,

fill it with buffalo and pronghorn and mule deer and all these different animals. And I think they're doing block management on this too so they're they're going to have areas where people can hunt but these these will be areas where there'll be no development no cities no you know no nothing that's actually pretty cool so i guess maybe it does work in this area do it on a larger scale yeah but i mean they just have a very you know like sort of a defined area that they're trying to do this in there. Although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished. But, yeah, that's all across the country.

Yeah. I mean, habitat restoration is the keystone of, like, a healthy environment, healthy animal populations. Yeah. Like all these conservation organizations, that's the number one focus is habitat because without it, you have nothing. You could have all the animals in the world, but if you don't have that habitat, well, I mean, even here in Texas, right? There's species that are abounding here that don't actually exist really in the wild where they're from. Like orcs. Yeah. And it's primarily because they just don't have the habitat for it anymore.

Right. Right. They just, it's deforested or they're more of a plains animal, but wherever they used to live doesn't really exist like that anymore. So they could never, like there could be a billion of them here, but it doesn't matter. You could keep throwing them out over there, throwing them out over there and they'll never take hold because they don't have anywhere to go. Right. Yeah. That's a weird thing about Texas is that there are animals that are endangered that you can hunt. Yeah. Because they're not endangered here. Correct.

Which is very, like, oryx are hard to find in their native habitat, in their native range. I guess the scimitar horned oryx, yeah. Because, like, other oryx are not, but those ones particularly are. The scimitar oryx are, they're popular here. Like, you can, there's a lot of ranches that have them, which is wild. Well, I don't know the whole history behind it, but people started breeding them because it was like, oh, it's rare. And then they would sell them to other – it was just like a commodity almost. Oh, like a cool thing to have? Yeah, like people would start breeding them, and then they'd be expensive, right?

So someone's like, oh, dude, I'm going to start an orryx farm because I can sell them for $20,000 a pop. What a cool-looking animal, though. I mean, it's a wild animal and gorgeous horns. But that's a very, very popular animal in ranches out here. A lot of folks have them. There's a lot of animals out here that are, you know. There's more tigers in captivity in private collections in Texas than all the wild of the world. Oh, for sure.

That's a fact. That's so crazy to say. Yeah, it is weird. Just one state and people's backyard tigers. There's more tigers. So, like, if there was ever, like, you know, if tigers go extinct in India, they can always just snatch up a few hundred from Texas. Set them loose.

Yeah, no bullshit. I wonder how well they'd actually be conditioned to be able to survive on their own. I don't think that... Well, feral cats do it, right? Yeah. Cats are... Like a feral cat is a house cat. And house cats are about the most tame version of a cat you're ever going to find.

For sure. And they become ruthless murderers when you let them loose. Yeah. My brother actually had a cat jump in his chicken coop yesterday and take the head off two chickens. You know, like a little tiny cat.

He sent me the video. I'm like, yeah. He's like, what is this cat? They're fucking mean. They're crazy. They're mean. Yeah. I used to have this fluffy ragdoll cat

and she used to kill everything I let her outside She was a ball of fluff I let her outside and she was like Slowly moving in on a bird All of her was consumed She had nothing but cat food her whole life All of her instincts were consumed

With killing It's a bizarre animal You know that we have this little tiny animal that just recognizes we're too big to kill so it leaves us alone but everything else all just i mean you can't like i had a bit in my act about it like you can have a pet gerbil and a pet dog and you can put the gerbil on the ground and the dog go like what the fuck is this and you're like hey don't eat it that's my friend right and your dog go okay it's a rat i think it's a rat that's a fucking rat dude you're like no no it's not a rat it's a gerbil and he's my friend the dog go all right all right but a cat

you you have like point one tenth of a second for that cat kills that fucking gerbil. Exactly. It's going to just dive on it. You can't teach a cat to not kill a hamster. No. There's no rules. All bets are off. Fuck you. I'm killing it. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I think, though, the tigers, man, think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat per day. Oh, my God. Something like 10 pounds or something. I'm not- Oh, it's got to be more than that. They're so big.

Yeah. And then you'd have to have- So think about how much meat a tiger needs to eat and where are they going to get that much food like a cat can kill a bird and survive a mouse and survive tigers are gonna have to kill large animals probably like an axis deer or something like that almost daily every couple days right so it's like you need enough of those so even if you had a bunch of tigers and you put them back in the wild, it's like they don't have anything to eat. So they're just going to die.

Well, you and I were talking last night after the comedy show about Lanai. And Lanai to me is one of the strangest places I've ever hunted. Because first of all, it's this gorgeous island. It's so beautiful. And it's only got 3,000 people, but it has 30,000 axis deer. It's the most bonkers place I've ever been. Oh, yeah. You can't believe how many deer there are.

But those deer are so fast and so wired because they evolved to get away from tigers. Yeah. So they hear the snap of a bow going off, and they're like, phew, they're gone. Yeah. Yeah, so they hear the snap of a bow going off and they're gone Yeah in a way that I can't imagine that I would have ever believed a mammal can move that fast Oh, yeah, and then there's a bunch of them too. So one of them hears it and the rest of them just go They just burst. Yeah, they're a different direction. Yeah, and that's how they survived that herd mentality It's like everybody's looking out everybody's watching And then that's how they've survived It's like everybody's looking out, everybody's watching,

and then that's how they've survived tigers, but a few of them will get taken out. But you were telling me that lanai has lost a large population. I think it has. I mean, there's been a little bit of a drought, so there's just less water, and I think that's played a big portion of some of the... They can kind of manipulate whether or not they get water, right, by the amount of trees they have.

Yeah, it's weird because i mean you know a lot of those hawaiian islands there's that dry side and then there's that wet side yeah and yeah i think that they there was something where they kind of deforested it and it stopped getting the rain oh yeah isn't that strange that that the amount of trees that you have can on an island can actually affect the amount of rainfall. Well, I mean, I don't know how true this is either, though, because they were saying like the axis deer at one point ate so much vegetation that it changed the weather. But I don't know how that could be, but I've read that before. I think that makes sense.

Because if you think about yearlings or any kind of like little tiny shrubs that are coming up, like trees that are on their way up. They just start eating them before they ever get a chance to become trees. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, they're not chopping trees down. No, I mean, yeah, I just don't know if that could actually change or if it's like maybe they're just in a drought and they attributed it to that. It's hard to say. I was in Maui recently, and we were on a boat fishing,

and we were passing this one part of the island where the guy said it rains like 290 days a year. Yeah. And I was like, what? He goes, yeah, that area right there is one of the wettest parts of the world. He goes, but look, over there, dry. Desert. It's crazy. It's like literally a canyon apart.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just goes over into that canyon and it rains. And the clouds hover over that area, and there's a a shit ton of vegetation and it just pours rain there. Yeah, it's crazy. That's the weirdest thing about the Big Island to me because the Big Island is so fascinating because you go from Kona and then you go all the way around

and you make the loop and you'll run into like five different ecosystems. You can go skiing in places in the Big Island. And the same day you could be on the beach surfing. It's bonkers. It is crazy. Yeah, and those mountains are actually pretty big. Yes, real big.

From sea level to, what, 10,000 plus feet. Have you ever been to the observatory up there? I have, yeah. God, it's fucking amazing, isn't it? Yeah, it's pretty crazy. You got to catch it on a time where there's no moon. That's the thing. Oh, yeah.

If you go to the Keck Observatory, you got to get up there when there's no moon that's the thing if you go to the keck observatory you got to get up there when there's no moon and it's spectacular like the view of the sky the view of the heavens the view of the like the milky way it changed my feet my thought about space like i i it reset my my understanding of like what's up there oh yeah because you look at the night sky and we have so much light pollution and you're just accustomed to seeing a few stars or you go out in the country in the you know in the middle of the winter and the sky is clear and you see so many stars but Nothing like this because you're at 13,000 feet and you're above the clouds You actually drive through the clouds to get to the observatory one thing

I love like when I'm out hunting backpacking and you're up on a mountain looking down on stars, I think is the coolest experience, you know, cause you get up on the top of the mountain and you, your whole perspective is normally looking up at this space and you're like looking down at the stars. I'll never forget this one time I was hunting central Nevada and that's gotta be one of the darkest places in the lower 48. Actually you guys pretty much went to that spot, but I was up on the big mountain behind there and packing out a deer, and it was a really big meteor shower,

and you're looking, and they're, like, below you. You know, it was a really cool experience. I don't think you get to... You don't even think of it like that. You know, you get to see everything. The curve of the earth. The curve of it, yeah. Wow.

That's a scary place for lightning storms, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Have you ever been in one of those? You've been hit by lightning. I've been hit by lightning. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I was a little kid and I was actually in my backyard. But yeah, lightning, Nevada, central Nevada, get some crazy, crazy lightning. How old were you when you got hit? Like kindergarten age. Whoa. First grade, yeah. Holy shit. Whoa. First grade, yeah. Holy shit. Yeah.

Yeah, me and my dad were actually just in the backyard. We were putting up a, oh, he was putting up a basketball hoop and I was just there. And there was a lightning storm over, like we lived up on a hill. And there was a lightning storm like off in the distance. And in the high desert, it's just like the clouds come up those valleys that gather a lot of electricity. And just like you get these crazy lightning storms. And it was blue skies above us and probably like a mile away and just a bolt reached out. A lot of people get – that's actually how a lot of people get struck.

Because when you're – when it's a crazy lightning storm, you aren't standing there looking at it. You know, you're thinking – you're like, oh, I'm going to be a lot smarter than just standing there. But they call it bolts over the blue. I think the majority of people that actually get struck are, there's not actually clouds above them. What? Yeah. Because you think about it, you're like, oh, I'm safe here, right? I'm a mile or whatever. It just looks off in the distance and then a bolt reaches out and hammers you.

So there was blue skies above your head and a bolt went sideways and hit you? Yeah, pretty much. Holy fuck. So he had been putting up the basketball hoop. I think he just finished it. And we were just like, this lightning storm came. And they come in pretty quick and just like watching it. And the bolt reached out, probably attracted to, you know, the pole.

The pole, yeah. And hit me in my right leg just above my knee and then came out below my knee. And then my dad dad i don't remember exactly where my dad was hit but it threw me we had like these three steps going down and it threw me i don't even know 20 yard a long ways 20 yards maybe it wasn't that far 15 yards everything i was small so it probably seemed a lot bigger um yeah i mean it threw me like all the way up three steps and across the yard when my dad came to he came to before me and he was actually um temporarily paralyzed like he wanted to crawl to me but he couldn't move and i was out for a while and then um you

were unconscious you probably thought you were dead yeah he thought he was like probably thought i was dead and you can't and he can't move he can't move no fuck yeah and then he he actually um he was like temporarily paralyzed for a little while and then everything just came back like how long is a little while a couple weeks holy shit yeah holy shit yeah that must have been terrifying yeah like no what happened or happened? And when did you come back? I remember coming to like as soon as the paramedics or whatever. You remember it? Oh, yeah.

That's like my first memory. I think probably because it's so traumatic, you know, and probably because I probably fried every memory after that or before that. But, yeah, I definitely remember. I remember coming to you. I remember thinking like, this is, I remember, it's just every, you know, like you're kind of shell shocked. When the, I don't know, I wouldn't compare it to anything, but the movie Saving Private

Ryan. Yeah. When the, there's that scene where the bomb goes off and like everything's kind of like slow motion-y weird and the sound's weird. When I saw that scene, I was like, that's my memory. It was like that noise and everything was weird, slow motion-y.

I think because your heart's probably going really fast and you can't hear. And everything's like this weird noise. And I just remember it. And when I saw that, I was like, that's really fucking accurate. So I'd be interested to see like other people that have been in like a shell shock situation or whatever. I bet you that somebody had to have done something where I would say like coached them on that because that scene of like that really, I thought it was super accurate of like what lightning was like.

Do you remember the lightning hitting you? No, no. I just remember waking up. Wow. I don't know if you could remember the lightning hitting you. I don't, my dad doesn't either. And you had some weird repercussions for a while, right? Oh yeah.

I think it just messes with everything, but I definitely had almost still do like a weird twitch for a very long time that had to get under control. Really? Yeah. Still do? Yeah. I've like trained myself to consciously not do certain things. It's been like a very long process.

I don't even think about it anymore. But for a long – like when I was younger, probably until I was like 17, you just have to like think about it 100% of the time. So what is the twitch? Like what does it do? I don't even know. It's like a – yeah, just like a – it was% of the time so what is the twitch like what does it do I don't even know it's like a yeah just like it was like a well back then it was like a weird like like my neck was like like the kid with the twitch and it wasn't all the time but it definitely like happened so you had learned like there it goes stop it yeah yeah oh train yourself oh wow like things but it became automatic I don't know it was weird it's weird it's almost like certain things that normal people do automatically that you don't think about i

almost have to think about wow yeah blinking is one of those things for me really yeah i had like um i would almost like it would be like more so like i it was a weird thing because like you i tried it's like one of those things now. It's like I actually got it under control to the point where it's actually weird because I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even like talking about it because it fucks with that part of your head. I don't know. But to train yourself to do something in a different way that should be automatic, like you're heart beating, I guess. You're like, I don't do that.

But yeah, like anything that's automatic to train yourself to do something in different ways very difficult in my opinion Wow you have to think about blinking so it just kind of cooked your system a little bit yeah for sure Wow yeah they say like people that have been struck by lightning like their purse I didn't I was young enough where it wouldn't have affected me in that way, but people's personalities change and just random stuff, weird stuff happens like that. That makes sense because people's personalities change from car accidents.

Yeah. They also say that people that are struck by lightning once are more likely to get struck again. I heard that too. You know why I figured it out? It's just because people that get struck by lightning in the first place are fucking idiots. It's like, I'm going to finish this back nine.

I don't care. Nature's. Or I'm going to go out on the lake and water ski. I don't give a shit about that storm. Or I'm going to be fixing this antenna on my roof. Yeah. It's funny how people that have never known anybody that got hit by lightning are pretty blasé about lightning.

Yeah. It was starting to rain once when we were on the lake and i was like we better get inside and they're like what's the big deal i go fucking lightning yeah lightning's a big deal like there's a lot of lightning out here in texas yeah dude we were here once in july and there was a lightning storm and lightning hit 300 yards from my house and the sound like if you've never been around where lightning hits really close the sound and the

instantaneous sound because it was the crackle you see the bolt, the sky lights up and you hear the boom and you realize oh shit that's right there right over there boom!

it was so loud Oh shit, that's right there. Oh yeah. Right over there. Boom! It's so powerful too. Woo! It was so loud. It was like we were being attacked by gods. You know what I mean? You can see why they thought Thor was like raining thunderbolts out of the sky back in the old days. Because if it's near you, the amount of energy that's involved is so disturbing. Yeah, it's crazy.

One lightning bolt has so much. They have us harness that power. And you're like, you don't want that going through your body. It's amazing that you survived. How many people survived lightning bolts? More than you'd think, actually. What's the percentage of survival? I don't know.

I think the percentage last time I looked was greater than you'd survive. Nine out of ten. Nine out of ten survive? Yep. Wow. That's pretty good. It is really good. Yeah, I think, you know, it's like the odds. People would be like, oh, the odds of that are being struck by lightning.

It's like, yeah, but it's like anything, man. If you're outside during a lightning storm, your odds exponentially increase. It's also's also like I don't know we've talked about bear attacks before when you're like living and breathing in bear country the odds of getting attacked exponentially increase yeah for most of the world it's not a factor right but when you're in that situation and you've got nowhere to go like if you're on the top of a mountain and there's a lightning storm you're the one whose odds of getting struck are gonna happen happen. It's not as rare. It's not like winning the lottery.

Yeah, I always try to tell that to people that say you shouldn't be scared of sharks. Like sharks, they're so rare, shark attacks. I go, do you know how fucking rare it is for a person to be near a shark? How about think of that? Right. Because like when you're thinking about people swimming, they're only in the edge. It's very rare they're in the middle. It's very rare that they're like 20 yards or 20 miles, rather, out to sea, you know, swimming around.

That's not happening. Yeah. So wherever the fucking sharks are, like, you got to think, like, how many people are near those sharks? If they found out how easy we were to eat. It'd be over. It'd be a problem because the only reason they don't target us is because they don't know we're edible. They're used to seals

and other things that they eat on a regular basis. They just don't think of us as food because it's not a normal part of their everyday

to day life. Yeah, the other thing too is, I mean, if you think about, I think about it a lot when I'm spearfishing and if you think about a shark

and how big they are, right? But when you're in the water, let's say you're spearfishing and you've got your fins on, you look like a very large animal. Yes. You know, you're, you're whatever, six feet plus fins. That's as big as most sharks. So they don't eat really large things. Now, great whites are probably the exception. And those are the ones that attack the most people. Yeah. because our food source is a little bit bigger but even a seal is you know half our size for the most part yeah seals they're half our size and i'm sure they taste delicious to a shark it's all fat yeah they're just like a big lollipop of probably the type of scent that they put out to in the water oh yeah i mean everything

right the scent like it's just animals get accustomed to eating very specific things you know they get accustomed to a specific type of diet and yeah they they seek that out it's normal to them right if you could add people to that list i mean that's a problem when they find uh tigers that get uh accustomed to eating people once they eat a few they're like people people are great. Then they start targeting them. That's the part of areas of India where there are a lot of tiger attacks. They get these tigers that they call man-eaters

because they just decide people are slow as fuck, and they're very nutritious. You can sustain your existence off of people. Oh, yeah. Very defenseless as well. Oh, my God. Nothing. We have nothing. Even our teeth aren't sharp. No. We have nothing. We've got, like, numbers. If you're by yourself,

you're a goner. We have strategy. I'll just poke him in the eye. I'll stick my fingers right in his eyeball. There. Okay. Yeah. Good luck. You ever poke an eye? It's not that hard. I mean, it's not that easy, rather. It's not easy. All they have to do is, like, squinch their eyes their eyes shut and it's like you can't really get in there quick enough for them to stop eating you yeah exactly well you've had like some pretty wild close encounters on the last podcast i think we talked about your uh encounter on a fog neck island

with that gigantic bear yeah did that fuck your head up forever no no people ask that and i i think i even mentioned it last time it's like out of this if i like think about things that scared the shit out of me in my life that's not like on the bottom of the list i don't know why yeah it's i mean i don't know maybe it's like you're i'm conditioned uh i i know that i'm going to experience those kind of things it's not the first time I've been charged by bears. Yeah, but that was so close, though. It was. But also, like, at the end of it and the other thing, I think that there's things that I've, I mean, I don't know. I've almost died a lot of times.

So that was, like, not the scariest in many ways. I don't understand that. But that thing ran through the camp. Dirtmouth rode its back for, like, 10 or 15 yards and that's like one of the it is crazy but also i was just i don't know i don't know why that i don't know i i think that i've had like more close encounters with almost falling off cliffs and stuff that scare me more than that that makes sense that part makes sense but i I feel like there's probably something about an animal attack or a close animal attack that triggers some sort of primal reaction in a person that's paralyzing.

Yeah, I think the one thing is, I think in many ways, it's like you think about it all the time, like when you're out there. I don't know. I feel like I've been guiding people professionally in what would be bear country for almost my entire life. I encounter bears constantly, whether it's brown bears, black bears, whatever. I actually had a black bear charge me twice this year or last year. Really? Yeah.

In my yard almost. Really? Yeah. In Havanairvana no in montana what happened okay this is actually uh so i was uh we've got like these little cabins and i hear something going down behind one of the cabins like a something killing a deer so went out it was a mountain lion to kill the white tail like i don even know, probably 15 yards behind one of the cabins. And then I was guiding. So I got up early and left and went out and was telling like my wife everything. Be careful.

You know, don't be walking around at dark, whatever. But I put a trail. I should have been smart enough to just like move it. But I just didn't have the time to dick with it. So I put a trail camera up to see if it was coming back. And a bear had come in, like a black bear, and claimed the carcass, which black bears do a lot. Like mountain lions, when they kill something, they get it, they kill it, and the first thing they do is they take out the most nutritious part. They just pull the liver right out because they're going to get chased off a lot of their kills.

They're just such efficient killers too. It's nothing for a mountain lion to go kill something else. Whereas a bear isn't really great at killing stuff. So they more scavenge. They more forage. They're more omnivorous. Yeah. I don't know why that escaped me.

So, yeah. So I put the trail camera on. I was like, oh, a bear came and now claimed this carcass and the cat probably won't come back. And then I'm walking back in the dark and uh and the bear is on the thing and i was like shining my flashlight there he's now he wants to claim it as his own doesn't want me to steal it from him yeah he's like i took it now it's mine and woofing and stuff and runs in maybe half the distance and i'm yelling at it it's just not even he doesn't even give a shit so i was like okay so i just tell everyone well let's like not mess nobody go outside

and so in the cabin i hear something on the on the porch and i forgot i had like a little trash can out there with some stuff in it and the bear's fucking with it so i opened the door to scare the bear away like hey hey thinking okay and instead of running away he just runs right opened the door to scare the bear away. Like, hey, hey. Thinking, okay. And instead of running away, he just runs right to the door. Oh, God. Slam the door in his face. And it's like, oh, shit. We need to take care of this bear.

So the next day, somebody had a bear tag. And we moved the carcass. And I was like looking around for the bear. But we never saw it again. Oh, wow. So once you moved the bear carcass, he got hit? Once I moved the carcass, yeah. He's like actually i should probably you know my loss i just moved the carcass and he kept he kept hitting the carcass but it wasn't around us oh yeah yeah

bears are it's they're beautiful and um they're cool and i'm glad they're around but they scare the shit out of me yeah mostly mostly brown bears yeah but but you know Ronella was telling me a story once about this guy who was on his first hunt ever and a 500 pound predatory black bear broke into his tent oh yeah and his buddy shot the bear and the bullet went through and hit his wrist and you know there's a clusterfuck because the bear was trying to eat his friend in his fucking tent. First ever hunt. He's getting mauled in his tent by a 500-pound black bear.

That's really bad odds. Bad odds? Yeah. That's just bad luck. I mean, it does happen, but, like, one in a million? There's actually a lot of black bear attacks, but most of them are in almost what I'd consider a residential experience, where they've got food, and it's a lot of older people or women mostly. And it's those times that you're caught off guard.

You walk out, and it's in your trash can, and maybe it's got cubs, and then it freaks out. Or people walking their dogs, and the dogs fuck with the bear, and then they go to save the bear, and the bear kills them. Oof. Yeah. Yeah. dogs fuck with the bear and then they go and save the dog and the dog or the bear kills them yeah yeah montana and like idaho and those the areas that have like grizzlies in the country yeah like that's a different animal oh yeah that's yeah they've just got a different temperament they're they're extremely irritable like they've got that they know that they're big and their propensity is more to like rush you and scare you off than to – 90% of the encounters that I have with brown bears or grizzlies, they run away.

They don't really like people. But there are those ones where they get – they bluff charge you. They wolf at you. They stomp on the ground. I don't like that number. 90% is not enough. That means one out of ten is going to try to kill you. Yeah, I guess that's – well, that's the thing.

It's 50-50, really. They're either going to run away or run towards you. And for them, it's probably just as easy to do both. I don't know. How many times have you been in a bad encounter with a grizzly? Or any kind of brown bear? So I guess I would say I've been attacked once. I've probably been charged four times when you say attacked once you're

talking about a fog now yeah yeah um and then charged maybe like four times um yeah that's not the scariest thing what is the scariest thing that ever happened to you in the wild huh man um me I would say one of the scariest things, uh, I was in New Zealand. I was actually guiding at the time. And I took this lady, um, she was, we were hunting chamois and those mountains are like just straight up and down. And she was older and she was doing this thing where she's trying to hunt everything like free range in the South Pacific. And I don't know at the time if any other woman had accomplished that, like, and she was getting older now. And it's just kind of like one of those things. So I really

wanted her to be able to get this animal. So we were hunting and we got dropped off by a helicopter. And then we were up there camping and stuff. And it was really foggy. And then the fog cleared, and there's a chamois over on the cliffs. And so I was waiting, I'm like, okay, in that cliff stuff, that cliff stuff it's like okay you might be able to shoot something but you also need to be able to recover it and i was waiting telling her we got we've got to wait until we can get somewhere that we can recover it okay so i'm looking and it moves over to the right and i think it's a perfect spot to fall down the cliffs and we'll be able to get to it and bring everything back. So I told her to shoot and she shoots and it falls and like lands, like it's stuck halfway between this cliff. It was like this piece of rock that I didn't realize. So I thought, fuck, well, I'll just climb up there and go get it.

And so I get down there and the mountain's really, I mean, pretty much nearly vertical. And the mountain's really, I mean, pretty much nearly vertical. I wouldn't say it was like technical climbing, but it's very, you've got to have three, four points of contact kind of thing. And so I start climbing up to it. And I didn't really think anything of it. I was just like, okay, I'm going to get this chamois and it'll be good. And it was really cold and kind of mossy. And my hands started to get cold.

And my feet started to get cold, and I climb up to it. And it's like what had happened was this rock had pulled off the mountain, and then the chamois had fallen into here. So I have to climb up above it and then kind of like scale over. And then to get down to it, I have to like jump onto this little piece. So I'm like, all right. So I jump down to it, and I still haven't really thought anything of it. Like I jumped to it and I grabbed the chamois and I pitch it over the edge because I'm like, you know, I'm going to go get it.

And I pitch it over the edge and watching it fall, like, you know, you throw something and you're like, okay, it's going to hit the ground. And it's falling and falling and falling. It took forever to hit the ground. it's going to hit the ground and it's falling and falling and falling and took forever to hit the ground. And I realized how high up I was and how far down it was and just like how probably out of my skillset I was. And I just like literally started shaking. It was like this instantaneous, like watching it fall for so long. All I could picture was me just falling. And i was and i started thinking to myself i was like i actually just then realized i was like i don't know if i can actually get out of here

because i can't down climb what i came up i'm not good enough to down down climbing is really difficult for people that are like and i had boots on i mean it wasn't like you got climbing shoes and solid surface and all this stuff and i was man, I just put myself in a really shitty situation. And it freaked me out. And actually, so I thought, so I kind of like sat there for a little bit and then regained my composure and decided, well, I got to climb up. Oh, my God. Because that's the only way and just hope that I can find a way down.

So I climb up to the top. And luckily, there was a route that I could get down like on the ridge and actually hike down. But you didn't even know that. How to get up to the top and luckily there was a route that i could get down like on the ridge and actually hike down but i didn't know that how to get up to the top right you didn't have a path no i just like just had to climb up because i knew that i couldn't climb down oh my and then the whole time you're thinking and like your hands are getting cold and it was just like a really bad situation i that was i went above what i should have done. Right. So I go down, I pick up the chamois, I put it on my back and I carry it up to the lady. And she's like, I can't remember. She's like probably 70 years old. And she, I walk up and she is bawling and she comes up to me and

just starts slapping me in the face. You're like, fuck you, fuck you. You never do that again. Like she thought I was going to die. Oh my God. Like nothing is worth it. And like just freaking out, hysterical. Like I'm almost laughing, but like she took me by surprise because I didn't know her very well. And she's just, every obscenity she could think of,

she was screaming, slapping me, punching me. Oh my God. Like just like had lost it. And I really realized I was like, man,'t know that was i i mean i didn't almost slip but also like i just put myself in the and now um like when i'm around those edges and ledges i like i don't really like it as much as i used to like i haven't done anything stupid like that since holy because it's so easy like one slip you fall you're dead it's so easy those clammy.

Fully clammed out. I don't like that. I'm fully sweaty. I don't know. And that's like, and I think about that. And that's one of probably a few, for me, things that freaked me out where I thought, like, I might not make it out of this. God damn.

Do you ever have nightmares of that one? No. But when I'm like, I mean, I love mountain hunting, and I love, like, that alpine experience, and I still do it. But when I get to those parts where it's like, okay, you just got to, you know, you think about it, you're like, one fall, I could die. Yeah. It freaks me out more than it used to, for sure.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't like those. That's how Cam's buddy died. Yeah. Cam's buddy Roy. Yeah, it happened. And that's the thing, too. You get to, like, this, you have a lot of experiences in doing things.

And, you know, Roy, you did that his whole life. I do that my whole life. But you literally one misstep and you die. Yep. And when you're hunting, you have, when you're climbing, you're kind of like, okay, I've got this equipment and I've got this and I've got these kinds of shoes and boots and ice sacks or whatever you've got, you've got these things when you're hunting, you're kind of like, well, I got to get up there and I don't know how to get up there. And you start getting up

there and you're like, well, I just got to keep going. And you've got a heavy pack on, you've got big boots on, heavy boots. You've got gloves. You just aren't really prepared for it in some ways. Right. And the boots that mountain hunters use are very different than the boots that a mountain climber would use. Yeah. They use those things with the claws in them. Yeah, crampons.

Yeah. Do you ever use those? Yeah, I use those. Yeah. I've used them in snow and ice, and then also sometimes on really steep mountains, you'll use it even in the grass and stuff just to keep that grip a little bit better. Jesus. Like really steep stuff.

Yeah. That's not good. No. That story scares the shit out of me. Yeah, I didn't like that. And to be honest, like I won't put myself in those situations anymore. So it was probably,

that might've saved, like having that experience might've saved my life in many ways. Cause you realize like you could make that error and get stuck in a situation. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Now, now I think about it and I was like,

man, okay. It's like not worth, it's not worth it. And I mean, you know, there's every, there's a lot of mountain guides or hunting guides or whatever that die every year, every couple of years from that.

Really? Yeah. I mean, like Roy and I've heard of quite a few just being in these kind of circles. Well, you got to realize those areas are often wet. Yep. Often snowy. Unstable surfaces. Yeah.

Shale. All kinds of stuff. Loose rock. Oh, fuck fuck yeah what what's the other another one oh i mean yeah i've had i had an experience where i was crossing a river one time with my pack on and uh it was just like faster than i thought got swept down the river oh wow yeah that that one it wasn't i i mean, I figured I could get out. I think I've told on here before a story where I jumped in a river and actually saved a lady. I didn't think I was going to get out of that one.

Yeah, you did tell that story. And you found the guy that was with her was dead. Yeah. Floated under, floated by. Yeah, and that was scary. And probably, I mean, I don't know if I've told you this story, but actually, like, my wife was lost one time. That's actually, and I actually didn't think that I was going to find her alive.

So that was actually probably one of the worst outdoor experiences that ended up turning out good, saved her life. But it wasn't for my own safety. How you met her? No, it wasn't how I met her. So you had already met her, and then? Yeah, I'd met for my own sake. How you met her? No, it wasn't how I met her. So you'd already met her and then. Yeah, I'd met her. We dated, um, like she was a little, she's younger than me and like I'm traveling. She had moved away and then we just kind of like went apart and we were going to get back

together. Uh, this was like a couple of years after. So we were, we were no, we were not actually dating at the time but I was on a trip in Alaska I just got back and then her sister called me and was like Danielle's missing and we and like you know one of those like nobody can find her and like maybe i have the skill set to go help out in some way and so i like literally i just i was unpacking all this i was doing a film thing in alaska i just got in maybe five minutes into my house i just left all my shit i called my brother and my friend and was like danielle's missing we're gonna go so we we gathered up our stuff and uh drove

she was in central nevada she was visiting her dad and like just um gone out on a trail and never came back and so it was like it was it's like the high desert maybe mid mid summer so you know like pretty hot in the daytime really at night, really high elevation kind of thing. And I think she'd been missing for – this would be going on her third day. Oh, shit. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, shit. And there was a – so we got there and there had been like a Facebook group and they had the Blackhawk helicopters out looking, couldn't find her, search and rescue.

They did the dog thing, everything. And so I got there. It was like probably 5 p.m. It was still daylight when I got there. And we get there and kind of talk to search and rescue. And I'm like, one of the guys kind of recognized me and knew I was and what I did. And I had my whole pack. I was ready to glass.

We were going to just normally on search and rescue things, like they want people out of the area, but they knew that I knew what I was doing. So they let us in to help. And, um, so kind of met with them, talked to them. There was a Facebook group thing of like what they'd seen. And there was this report of a vehicle with like Mexico plates leaving the area. And I don't know like how, you know, she started like people start saying like, okay, I saw her last wearing this. The last she'd been seen, she was just wearing like running stuff, didn't have any equipment with her. She'd gone up and then the search and rescue dogs, like they went up the canyon and then they came back and they did that multiple times.

So the theory was like she went up, came back, and then people were, they were actually had kind of thought since they put in a search effort that she was gone, like taken. So, you know, that, that kind of shit's in your mind too. Right. Right. So you're like, okay. Cause they saw a Mexico plate. Yeah.

And I'm like, I don't know why, you know, why that would, but. Kidnapping. Yeah. Something. Right. Right. Because they had the, you know, they, they were yeah something right right because they had the you know they were working on the assumption that she wasn't there like out there right so

you know they kind of asked like they do like a little interview like you know how far do you think she's going i was like well she trains for marathons like she could be 20 miles from this point we don't really know you know um we don't know what happened either like she could have fallen broke like we just don't know what happened yeah um so they showed us where the the dogs were had gone and where they inspected and everything and i i thought i was like you know my initial like the way that i think was like well whatever you guys have done didn't work right so i'm just going to kind of take the things that you've said and just and look at it through a lens of like that didn't work so i got

we've got to just try something different so i loaded up my pack and i had like all my optics everything and i was just like i my thought was i'm just going to go out there and and part of it too is kind of like a wreck in some ways like I'm not just going to sit around and do nothing. Right. So it's starting to get dark at this point. And my thought was, like, I'm not coming back until I find something. So I just load up my pack like I'm going on a backcountry hunt with all my shit and just go back there and see what I can do. And I wanted to be – it was good nighttime, so I wanted to be, like, ready first thing in the morning, thinking before that light gets harsh and she's in the shade.

If you're trying to survive in the desert when it's super cold at night, so you're probably moving around to stay warm. And then in the morning, you'd probably still be moving around, but once it gets daytime, then you're probably in the heat and you're in the shade. So they had Blackhawk, and it had to go back because it had timed out. It needed fuel there at that point. And they were searching in the middle of the day, which I thought, it would be better to search in the evening after the heat on the rocks cools off a little bit,

and you can use a FLIR system like thermals. Because everything in the desert cools down so fast that you might be able to find her at night using a thermal system. So I asked the guy if we could get a thermal FLIR system. And so they were working on getting something. And so I had one of the guys take me into the back. And I just said, like, drive me as far. They had, like, these little ranger things in the whole, or, you know, like, off-road vehicle, like Polaris. Yeah.

Yeah. Or Can-Am or whatever. So I was like, just drive me as far back as you can. So he'd drive me back, and now it's starting to get dark, and I had a big flashlight. And I just, like, looked at it before it got dark and just looking around. I was like, oh, I'd probably go up here.

No trail. I was like, man, we've hiked all over the world together. No trails. We never go on trails. So I just thought, I'll start going here. But but at this point it's dark and I just started hiking in the dark up this canyon and it's probably uh maybe probably close to midnight at this point and I was thinking about you know like a lot of shit's going through my head thinking, man, what's it going to be like if I find her dead? And, okay, like am I prepared for this? Or what if I – and the thing that really like messed me up was what if I never find her?

Like I just couldn't – these things like kept going through my head. And I'm literally in the dark. And there's no moon at all. Just hiking in the dark. I like just stopped. And I just felt very, very, very helpless. the dark and there's no moon at all just hiking in the dark i like just stopped and you just i like felt very very very helpless and i'm like literally praying for a sign of some kind and i look down and there's this weird scuff mark and i'm like i just keyed in on it in randomly walking

in the dark and there's deer tracks everywhere and i just start like following this one track and it just didn't look right but it's not like the kind of ground where you can see tracks, you know, I inspected it. I didn't see shoes. And I, I get up to this like flat bench area and I just had this weird feeling and I'm like, yeah. And then I saw a light on the top of the mountain. So I thought, oh man, maybe that's somebody had come in, hiked in with like a thermals and I can use that to then look for her and I'll come back to this area. So I, um, I call my brother and my buddy on the radio. I'm like, Hey, I, you know, I'm up here and they were around, they were looking around the rocks where the dogs had turned around thinking maybe she went up there,

fell into something and got stuck in like places people normal search and rescue wasn't going to look. So they were looking in kind of those areas. So I hike up to where the light was on the hill and it happened to just be like people that were in the area, like a couple that were just like, whatever, camping. And, you know, I was like, hey, you know, I talked to him. I was like, hey, here's a picture. Have you seen this person? No, we haven't seen anything. I was like, cool. You know to him. I was like, hey, here's a picture. Have you seen this person? No, we haven't seen anything. I was like, cool. The area is kind of closed down right now, just so you know, because they're looking for her. Cool, keep an eye out.

And so now I'm away from that spot. I started to think about it, and I called my brother and buddy, and they're like, yeah, we don't see anything around here. Maybe we'll start first thing in the morning. And I was like, okay, I'm going to stay up here, and I'm going to go back to this spot. I'm just going to camp out up here or whatever. But I got to go check this spot first. So I walk back to that little bench thing, and I sit down. I turn off my light, and I just yell out.

I'm like, hey, Danielle, this is Remy. If you can hear me, I'm not leaving until I find you. I'm just like sitting there, and then I hear, Remy if you can hear me I'm not leaving till I find you I'm just like sitting there and then I hear Remy and I was like oh shit and it was so faint I was thinking to myself did I just like did I actually hear that so I had my radio and I called my brother and a friend and I was I said hey I just heard her I'm gonna turn turn my radio off in case maybe that's like I'm only going to hear one more time. I'm going to turn my radio off and get somebody up here. And I just said that over the radio because I didn't want the radio going off for some random reason.

The next time she said something or whatever. So I flipped the radio off. And I just started like moving in that direction where I heard something. And I yelled out again and didn't hear anything and then kept moving and yelled out again. And when I, before it got dark, I remember like, is this big basin, almost like a amphitheater kind of shape. Right. And on the top side was all these cliffs and everything. So I thought, well, maybe I heard it across the Canyon and she fell into one of those cliffs. So I'm like moving in that direction, but I'm trying to move to move like you know when you're chasing an elk and it's like that you've got a you've got

to run but you can't run loud right and you're like that stalking running like trying to be quiet because it was very very faint and still i'm partially thinking i'm going crazy and uh so i um i get up to that. I keep going, and I yell. I'm like, Danielle, can you hear me? And then I hear, Remy? Or I heard her – yeah, she actually said my name again. I was like – and I flipped on my light, and she was like 300 yards below me.

I was like, oh, shit. So I run to her thinking like – well, this is crazy. crazy so i run up to her and she just was like so confused and she's like i think she thought she was like hallucinating and i was like are are you okay she's like i don't know and i was like um i was like do you do you know who i am she's like i think so do you do you know you're like just you know your, like, just, you know, like, basic first responder questions. Right, right. Can you answer some simple questions? Like, do you know your name? Like, no.

She didn't know her name. Like, yeah. Like, I don't know. I don't know. And I'm like, okay. And then so I called the, I flipped my thing on. I called my buddy. And I was like, all right, I found, like, I've got her.

We need paramedics here now. And so my buddy was they were probably two or three miles from the base camp. My buddy Joe just like takes off, just like sprinting down to the base camp. And then my brother is hiking up to me to help her. And so we tried to we didn't have service where we were and I had lost. I was to have a satellite messenger, but I left it in the truck. So my buddy goes down, and I think somehow somebody had called whoever, paramedics and the whole deal. And so my buddy Joe – this is the funny part – is my buddy Joe runs down to the search and rescue camp.

And he's like, Remy Founder, we need to go. And one of the guys that was kind of in charge, like an older guy, not a guy that goes in the field or anything, he's like, you know, somebody thought they heard something, but it could have been a mountain lion. So we're just going to save our energy for the morning search. And my buddy Joe's like, he's like, like fuck you i'm commandeering your vehicle and he just takes the ranger the razor thing and just rips off toward town because you know he was like to go meet get get some what a cunt yeah like i mean like who's ever heard like we thought we heard something but it could have been a mountain lion like that doesn't even make any sense you're

saying you have her right yeah he's like he's just like he you know i mean that's like a scene in a movie where there's this one lazy cop yeah exactly it was just like i was like this is this is too crazy like when he told me that story i couldn't i was just rolling laughing and also concerned like why the fuck would you say it could have been a mountain lion what a dick so so uh they go up, and we end up – he meets up with them, and they get up to the top. They were able to, like, kind of get up this ridge and then came down with a stretcher. And my brother and I were able to, like, you know, do, like, a – help her get up the mountain. Did you give her water? Did she –

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So I gave her water. I'm like, here, drink this. And like she like as soon as it hit her lip, she like spit it out. She's like fire. Like. So she was so dehydrated.

So dehydrated that like it just started like burning. Like the water was burning. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. And so we got her. We got her up to the paramedics and then obviously to the hospital and like a pretty extensive rehydration thing.

And, yeah, and, you know, like she wasn't feeling good when she went out. And I think it was just like, oh, I'm going to go. When you're sick or whatever, you're just like not feeling good. You go out to do something to feel better. Probably went beyond capabilities, I think, and woke up and didn't know where she was so she went out kind of sick and thought she was gonna sweat it out yeah wow just went on a run yeah and then probably and then you know and then just had no clue uh had no clue like where she I thought the good thing is when she didn't know where she was,

she didn't go anywhere else. She stayed put, which is definitely, yeah, because you, you just like have no clue where you are. You don't like, don't know where to start going.

They would have never found her if it wasn't for you. I don't think so. Wow. I don't know. Dude, she owes you. Yeah. Well,

now we're married. So I got her back. I was like, it's a solid way to win an argument. I think we should, I definitely think we should go here for dinner. She's like, no, I'm not really feeling that. But remember that time I saved your life. Wow. Yeah.

Talk about a bond. You guys have a bond forever. Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's a pretty, I don't know. That Talk about a bond. You guys have a bond forever. Oh, for sure. Yeah, it's a pretty, I don't know. That's a crazy bond. That's a crazy bond. Yeah. The fact that you found her.

And then the type of person that has the capability to do what you do on a daily basis. Like most people are not going to be able to get to her. They're not going to be able to have the understanding of how to navigate and how to get around or they're not going to have like the aerobic capacity that you have like all those the times of hunting and camping and hiking and like you have crazy sick cardio yeah it's like a lifetime of essentially spending my entire life looking for things that are hard to find and then using it in a way that was more beneficial than anything else i'd ever done wow that's amazing yeah wow he's like you never know the skill like the skills that you gain over life what you get to use them for how long did it take before she

recovered um a while uh she definitely i didn't realize the like level of how out of it you are in those situations. Like for in my, that was my major not understanding. You hear stories, you hear those stories of people, maybe like they're snowmobiling, right? And they get stuck and they find them naked, dead. Yeah. And you go like, I had never experienced that or like, um, seen people in that. You hear about it, but that's not the first thing that pops in your mind. You think like, oh, I found you.

Everything's fine. But you don't realize like the mental toll that it takes on people either. Just like not and being like, you know, essentially freezing at night. It's one of those days in Nevada where it gets like it'll be 100 in the day and like probably 34 at night or 80 90 in the sun in the day and then really big temperature swings that time of year in the high country because you're up at 10 12 000 feet you know probably 10 000 feet something like that and she's just dressed for jogging yeah no water no water nothing and so she's out there for three days uh going on third day yeah which is in those kind

of situations pretty much the verge of death yeah yeah how many days can you go without water about three especially when you know you're already taxed and um yeah fuck yeah yeah it was a and i mean on on her end too it took a while of just the essentially the ptsd of like an experience like that where it's like you're doing something you you love and your whatever and you just yeah i didn't i wasn't it was pretty crazy. How long was it before she was 100% again? I don't know. A while. Like maybe six months. Holy shit.

Well, I mean just like of like the experience. Oh, the mind and everything. Yeah. No, like I mean back to like physical shape like a couple days. Oh. Yeah. Man, that's got to be the most memorable one, right? Yeah, yeah. Fuck.

Probably the most scared I've ever been, too. You know, scared for someone else. I don't get as scared for myself in most situations. But now having a kid and a family, I get scared for them if something goes down for me, if that makes sense. I'm not a person that, like, is very concerned about my own safety in this weird way. Yeah. But now I've got like, well, you know, having a kid and it's like that's- It's a game changer.

Yeah, it's a game changer. You know what's funny? It's a weird thing, but I actually, when I had my daughter, she's 10 months old now. I had my daughter and you popped into my head for this reason of the first time we talked, I don't even, was it eight, seven, 10, I don't know, a long time ago. How many years ago was that? It was a long time ago. A long time ago. Yeah.

And you said something and I agreed with you. And in my mind, I was thinking, this guy's fucking crazy. You said something about, it was the first time you're on. I can't remember if it was on the podcast or just when we were talking. You said, you're like, the first time you went hunting, you're like, yeah, there's been very few experiences in my life where I felt like that. I don't even know if you remember saying this. And you said, you're like, having my kid was the first, like, it was like that. And I don't know if you remember saying that. And was like you said that and i thought that is the weirdest thing to say i could i i can't wrap my head around it and i had a baby

and i'm like oh yeah i get what he's talking about it is the most primal like yeah it's a very weird experience i was like oh actually he wasn't full of shit he it breaks the mundane pattern of everyday existence in a way that's so undeniable that you realize there's a chemical, biological, genetic connection that you have to this child and the mother and this experience. And you're so locked in in a way that you didn't think you were ever going to be with anything. You didn't even know that that feeling was available to people. Correct. I had always knew that people had kids. I love babies.

I love everybody. It's great. Having kids must be great. Now you got a kid. Congratulations. But until you see a baby come out of a woman and it's your child and it's her child and you made this child together and now this child's alive and then every fire, every cell in your body fires up. And it's like, okay, now we're in dad mode. Now you're in protector mode.

Now you're in, you know,'re in you know you gotta like i became way more ambitious i started working harder i was way more disciplined like everything way more attentive i was like holy this is real first time i went hunting i remember just locking eye because ranella took me in that was in montana and uh i remember locking eyes because Rinella took me in, that was in Montana. And I remember locking eyes on the mule deer and realizing it was about to go down. And then getting him in my sights, I wound up dropping him. I wound up hitting him in the spine. And he dropped and then I finished him off.

We had to get up close to him and finish him off. And when I finished him off, I was like, this is like almost psychedelic in the way it changes the way you feel about things. Like when we were cutting that animal up and then we were eating the animal, I was like, this is one of the most primal things I've ever experienced and it's in many ways not like having a kid in that it's not the same kind of feeling but it also it's a feeling that you didn't know was available yeah like that it was so primal and so and it felt so natural it's like my body was like yep this is how you do it this is what you have to do if you want to get meat you have to kill the animal once you kill the animal you get this feeling of Completion of satisfaction of like this human reward system that kicks in that lets because for Fucking untold thousands of years when someone shot an animal and killed an animal

It meant that was going to feed your family and that was a good thing and it wanted to reward you with that good feeling so that you could continue to survive and that your genes would carry on and the human race would survive. Yeah, it's like that. That's the best way to say it,

is a feeling that you didn't know was even there. Yeah, you didn't know it was available. You didn't know. It's like you can explain it, but it's not something, same thing. Somebody's like, oh, yeah, that's great, this, that, and the other thing. Okay. But you don't know that shift of something that's just innate that just happens,

and you can only access that by experiencing it. The moment I shot that mule deer, I mean, it's on the show. We talked about it. Well, Rinella was like you know so what are your thoughts on hunting I'm like I'm doing this forever I'm like this is this is what I'm doing like that I'm a hundred percent sure this is how I'm gonna get meat now hundred like the moment we were sitting over that campfire and we're eating the the deer that we had just shot you know hours earlier and we're we're cooking it and eating it.

And, and it was so delicious and it was so fresh. I was thinking, of course, this is what I'm going to do now. This is what I'm going to do. Like, I'm not,

I'm not going to not do this. This was fucking amazing. It was really hard to do. It was difficult. It was nine degrees outside. We're camping, freezing our dicks off and fucking hiking forever and the satisfaction of of completing the task and getting the deer and eating the deer i was like

oh i found some new shit i really like like this is this is my new thing and since then it's been a giant part of my life and that was 10 years ago exactly 10 years ago when i started hunting it was 2012 wow yeah that's cool it was fucking awesome i i owe ronella forever for that that's really cool because it changed changed who i am as a person changed my relationship to food yeah yeah it's weird it's a weird thing too like when you experience that as hunters there's a lot of people that like oh you go hunting and yeah i mean obviously for me it's a little of people that are like, oh, you go hunting? Yeah, I mean, obviously, for me, it's a little extreme. You got to shut that thing off, whatever. You got goddamn Android phones.

You don't even know how to shut them off, do you? No, it's brand new. It's like completely turned. You're one of those guys that's the diehardiest Android guy I know. I am, yeah. Did you switch back to the app i have two i have an iphone and i the problem is my fucking whole family has iphones and so they they're always sharing their air dropping stuff and then i also use this phone as i have apple tv

so i use my phone as a remote because it's way better than the remote connected in the system yeah it's like they get you. They do. The motherfuckers get you. I know. I'm a feature-rich guy, you know? And I don't even like to communicate with people, so it's perfect. I don't need the sharing.

I'm just like, yeah, I'll talk to you. The thing about the iPhone iMessage that's so much better is that you can get videos and images images and they'll come in full resolution. Yeah. Whereas if you text me a video, it's going to look like diggity dog shit by the time it gets to my phone. I know. I use WhatsApp a lot though.

Yeah. A lot of people, like I've got a lot of friends. That's great if you live in another country. Yeah. This is America, motherfucker. I know. We don't use WhatsApp. No, it's not me.

There's a small percentage of people who use WhatsApp in America. Yeah. I use Signal, though. Signal's really good, and Signal is very similar in that you can send higher resolution videos and audio, and you can actually use it for calls and stuff like that. I think you can use Signal for video calls as well. But it's encrypted, peer-to-peer, so it's not like it's going to a third-party server or anything like that oh cool yeah but either way i've had this guy gavin de becker on as a security expert said

listen even even so they're still listening to all your phone calls they're still looking at everything you send everything there's no privacy anymore i was like really he's like there's no privacy i said it was like it's not doesn't have to be like an app that you accidentally download he's like no all they have to do is have app that you accidentally download? He's like, no. All they have to do is have your phone number. Hmm. Yeah. Oh, I don't send anything.

I was like, oh, I don't care who sends it. I say that too, but it's not what concerns me. What concerns me is that the government, these creeps that a lot of them aren't even elected, there's just people that are bureaucrats that have been embedded into the system forever, have essentially have access to every fucking person on the planet's text messages and emails anytime you send something they have access to it that's real right now oh yeah and in a text message you don't get the whole context you don't know what you were talking to your buddy five minutes before i was like did that bit about it last night i was laughing so hard it was so great because it's so true i mean it's like everything's so out of context yeah if my wife was my employee i'd be

in jail it's like you don't you don't know the context around this yeah i mean any you could take any one of the the texts i send with my comedian buddies that we send to each other, any one of them is horrible if you don't understand what's going on. Like, comedians will say, these guys will say the most horrible shit to me through text messages just so we could laugh. Because we've fucking heard it all, right? I've been a comic for 30 plus years.

So, like, comedians that are also comics like to shock them they they'll send me the worst things and the worst images the worst videos and and ha ha ha and they then with with a joke attached to it and people like you guys are terrible like but to who to each other yeah no we like it works with us like it's the only way to get me to laugh just so numb and desensitized it's got to just keep going up well it's also like we're playing a game with each other right because like we're in the business together so it's like for for to shock me you know you have to send me some ruthless shit and so there's a lot that comes my way yeah you know it's uh it's funny because i'm paying attention to this amber heard johnny depp trial

and i'm realizing like the old text messages if you get into divorce man they'll fucking come up in a trial oh yeah that trial is horrible to watch i can't look look away. I just saw that on the news. I haven't even been paying attention to it. So I was like, I didn't even know what it was. If you look at it from my perspective, not knowing what was going on and then trying to read stuff. I was like, what kind of circus is this? And I've been missing this. What?

It's actors. That's what it is. They are broken people. they are broken people. And it's a system that doesn't allow you to ever become a full, like normal functioning member of society because you're coddled and you're treated in this very bizarre way. And you're isolated from everyone else, except for all the people that are your handlers or the people that are your sycophants or the people that are your, you know, the people that love you and publicists and agents and people that make a living off of you. So that are your sycophants or the people that love you and publicists and agents and people that make a living off of you.

So that is your existence. And then you're married to a fucking crazy bitch who throws bottles at you and wants to kill you if you don't sign a prenup or if you want her to sign a prenup, rather. And it's wild. That relationship is wild. And watching her sit there and try to act like she's not a psychopath while all this is going on, while they're playing the audio recordings of her talking about hitting him and all the craziness. She recorded all their conversations. That alone.

If that's not the biggest fucking red flag, she recorded dozens and dozens of conversations where he had no idea that he was being recorded. It's fucking crazy that's the thing about now so much of everybody's life is recorded yeah and you don't but she's recording i don't know if it's dozens and dozens whatever it was whatever it was they kept introducing to the trial but that was her recording things right wasn't it like surreptitiously either way that's a crazy bitch yeah yeah the thing that got me is all the people in the watching the case yeah that was the thing i was like i want to know their story the people that like traveled from around the world to go sit in the courtroom where is it happening it's's in Virginia or something, right?

I wonder why they did it in Virginia. I looked that up yesterday. It's because he's suing her for defamation for an op-ed she posted in the servers for the newspaper that it was posted in or hosted in Virginia. So there's some law that allows the trial to happen there. Oh, wow. It's very confusing. How strange. So is the jury from Virginia allows the trial to happen there. Oh, wow. It's very confusing. How strange.

So is the jury from Virginia as well? Yeah. Good luck with that jury. I don't think any jury is going to listen to her and not think she's out of her fucking mind. You would have to be the most hardcore man-hating feminist, one of those women that's just been fucked over by man after man after man her whole life to the point where fuck all men. been fucked over by man after man after man her whole life to the point where fuck all men you'd have to be that woman to listen to that lady and not think she's out of her fucking mind i haven't

even followed it enough to know like she hasn't testified yet she's only so this is all only going by her recordings and his you know recounting of the encounter and her terrible lawyer. She has terrible lawyers too, which is fun. I love a good bad lawyer. One of the lawyers objected to his own question. Really? Yeah, someone responded to it and he said, Objection hearsay. She's like, you can't object to your own question.

Oh, yeah. It's just a mess, man, because this poor guy has been right. Like, he's definitely a mess. Johnny Depp is a mess, a hot mess, a hot mess of cocaine and booze and chaos. But by all accounts, seems like a really nice guy. I talked to him on the phone once because he was going through this years ago, by the way. I talked to him on the phone about the same case because i'm friends with doug stanhope and him and stanhope were hanging out and he's like you know stanhope is drunk he's like hey giant depp wants to talk to you and i said give my number

let's talk you know so i'm on the beach in hawaii and i'm on the phone with johnny depp and johnny depp is telling me all the chaos that's going on in his life is eventually i'll do your podcast and we'll talk about this. But this is my life. This is what I'm going through. I'm like, holy fuck, dude. So he's telling me all this shit. And she had threatened to sue Stanhope because Stanhope published a letter on what a con artist she is.

He published like some sort of a – what did Stanhope do? Stanhope – he posted something right it was like a they wrote an article I think while it was all going down and she was accusing him of hitting her and all kinds of crazy stuff about what a con artist she is and he's like just understand this this woman is a fucking con artist and he and she threatened to sue him and so he took it down but he had already gotten it out there you know to the point where people had sort of started going huh what's going on here and then all Johnny Depp's

former girlfriends were all like no he was never even raised his voice he's a nice guy like maybe yelled but like he's not a not an abuser this is nonsense this is crazy and she said that she used a specific type of makeup to cover up her bruises But it turns out that makeup wasn't even invented then like it was it was it was it launched years later So she's just a nut That those are the people you see crying on in films when they act really good Giant up is being blackmailed by amber heard Here's how I know guest column by Doug Stanhope Oh so it's still available

Yeah the website that I'm looking this up Still has it So this was 2016 So this is Six fucking years ago And this is still going on That's what can happen Update Amber Heard's attorney

Says the claim that Heard is blackmailing Johnny Depp is unequivocally false. No. No, it's not. No, it turns out it's not. No, she's a fucking monster. That's crazy. Yeah. There you go, bro.

You got a good one. That's how you do it. If you want to have a good relationship, rescue him. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Save a woman from dying of dehydration and freezing to death in the Nevada desert, and that's how you get a good one.

Yeah, it works for me. So you guys go on a lot of trips together now, but now that you have the baby, how are you going to handle that? We've been bringing the baby on a lot of stuff too. Wow. Yeah, so it's not as easy. You have like a chest rig? Yeah.

You have to adjust your anchor? I originally thought I was going to do that. I was like, yeah, I got this thing. And then once I actually figured it, I was like, that's not going to work at all. At all. No. I got these ideas that that would not work at all. Maybe you can rifle hunt if the kid has earmuffs.

Yeah, earmuffs. But even then, you don't want that. The backpack thing would probably work. But I wouldn't do it because if they reached over and touched, it's not worth messing with. Right. Fuck that. Yeah. You'd have to like duct tape their hands down.

Yeah. And I think if you did that, that wouldn't be good. They definitely wouldn't be quiet if you're trying to stalk something. Yeah. Yeah. Have you thought about like introducing your kid to fishing and hunting and stuff like that? Yeah. How do you do it?

I think it's something that we do so much. Right. So it's just part of our life. But I've actually thought about it in the way of, I don't know, anything that your parents do. And, like, it's what we do all the time. So I don't know if that would be, like, something that makes her into it or if it's something that will detract her from it.

I am so careful about that with my kids because my kids did martial arts when they were young. And I always like say, hey, you guys want to take a class or something like that? If you want, let me know. I'm like, no, I want to do this. And my one daughter is really into gymnastics. So that's like her focus. But my youngest daughter, every now and then she'll bring it up because I let her hit me. Yeah.

So like she's 11 now and she's fucking strong. And she hits me with leg kicks. Like she's allowed to leg kick me full blast, which you'd be surprised how much it hurts. Oh, yeah. An 11-year-old leg kicks you. I'm like, this is amazing. Because like if a grown man my size leg kicked me, I'd be a cripple. Like I'd fall to the

ground crying because she leg kicks me i'm like ow like this is and she loves it she loves that she can hurt me i bet then she goes let me do it again okay one more one more whap ow i'm like these are good i'm like these are good solid shin you're getting me like right in the meat of the leg like this is good stuff but i. But I try not to push. My oldest daughter does it with me. But with the 11-year-old, it's just a delicate balance of making it available but not pushing it. She likes to fish. We fish together.

But we're actually going to go alligator hunting together. That's going to be her first hunt. That's another thing that's at the very bottom. Exactly. She fucking hates alligators. Everybody hates them. And so we were planning this thing to Florida, and while we were going down to Florida,

my one daughter had plans, and she was going to do this, and her and I, my youngest and I, were going to go fishing. So I was arranging activities for us. I'm like, okay, i got this thing we're going to set up some fishing on this day and i go what do you think about alligator hunting and her little eyes lit up and she goes could i get like alligator skin stuff i go yeah i go we could actually like make bar stools we'll cover the bar stools and alligator skin and we'll eat the alligators she's like okay and i was like okay we got something now. So her first hunt will be a fucking alligator hunt,

which is a wild thing for an 11-year-old. That's cool. It's going to be interesting. Alligators are actually pretty good, too. I heard it's delicious if you get it fresh. Yeah. I've only had it fried, though. Can you really judge it if it's fried?

I've never had a barbecued alligator tail. Have you had it fresh, or have you only had it at a restaurant? I have had it fresh once. They say that's a big deal. I had mahi-mahi once. My wife and I went fishing in Mexico and we caught mahi-mahi. We brought it back to the hotel and we had it within two hours of us catching it. Literally, we caught these fish.

20 minutes later after we caught them we caught two fish 20 minutes later we were at the dock an hour later we were dropping it off at the restaurant 40 minutes after that we're eating it it was amazing it was fish out of all the things like there's a big difference between fresh fish and fish that's not fresh. And this was, all Mahi Mahi is delicious, but this was particularly tasty. There was something about it, and I realized, wow, there's something really lost when that animal sits around for a while. For sure. And most of the fish you get in a restaurant has been frozen. Yeah.

And you don't, you really do, it's weird how it tastes different, but it actually tastes less fishy. But it doesn't taste, it's like the textures, it's more like the texture and the feel, it just is way better. It's way better. A lot of people have never experienced fish like that. No, a lot of people never, like you catch it and cook it on the shore, like catch a trout and cook it, like pan fry it right there on the shore. Oh my god, it's so delicious. Yeah. But

they say that's the same thing with alligator. That was my point. Really? Is that alligator supposedly, if you get fresh alligator, it's supposed to be fantastic. Yeah, I don't know if I've had it that fresh then. I mean, yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah. You'll have to report back. I will definitely report back because I'm going to eat the shit out of that alligator. I have to report back I will definitely report back because I'm gonna eat the shit out of that alligator I hate those

things I really do I hate them I lived in Florida when I was a little kid from age 11 to 13 we lived in Gainesville and that was back when alligators were protected and one of them snatched up this lady's dog and i remember thinking like how gross it is that they let these things just roam around and they're like oh they're protected i'm like fuck them i was 11 and i was like fuck them we need to kill those cunts like this giant dinosaurs running around killing people's dogs and everybody's like well you gotta make sure we have a stable population put them in the fucking swamp get them out of here. Like, if you see them anywhere near where people live, you should fucking shoot them.

They're just walking across golf courses. Giant ones. Yeah, it's crazy. Giant ones now. Well, now they're open for hunting. And now they have a lot of them. Yeah. I mean, there's-

They've definitely been rehabilitated. Beyond. It's really crazy in some places like i was watching that swamp people show and uh you know they give commercial tags to these folks for you know to go out and get alligators and this guy had a tag for 500 alligators so he had 500 alligator tags like that was his commercial allotment and those are the ones that they sell like restaurants yeah and products and leathers yeah a lot of products and leathers which is hilarious because there's so many of them but california won't let you sell the skin really they're so dopey there's the like they ban the sale of alligator and exotics and

they won't let you sell python meanwhile florida is infested with pythons there's so many goddamn pythons that they've killed all the mammals in the everglades it's crazy something that that's another thing you'd have to eradicate oh yeah you can't you'll never get a stable ecosystem because there's pythons that were never supposed to be there never they'd have nothing to compete against nothing they just swallow whatever their they eat alligators yeah we showed a picture the other day of one that had a 12-foot alligator in its stomach. That's crazy. And they were out there. Hundreds of thousands of them filled the swamps with pythons. They did some estimate of the amount of wildlife that has been eradicated because of pythons,

and it's bananas. It's like 99% of the mammals in the Everglades are gone. That's nuts. 99% of the raccoons, 99% of the deer in the Everglades are gone. That's nuts. 99% of the raccoons, 99% of the deer. Like there's almost nothing left. Yeah, that's crazy. And it's just some dipshit in the 1970s that had pythons for a pet. It's like, can't feed you anymore, little bro.

Running out of money. You know? Chuck them in the swamp. Yeah, they just chucked them in the swamp. Think they'd be fine. And we are i guess they were fine yeah yeah for a little while yeah but here we are 50 years later now it's a giant problem there's a half a million of them they think wow yeah you'll never get that under control you'd have to literally drain the swamp you know they told drain the swamp thing yeah actually drain the swamp but you can't drain the swamp no so shut the fuck up you've thing? Yeah, actually drain the swamp. But you can't drain the swamp. No. So shut the fuck up. You've got a problem forever.

And what are you going to do? Put something in there that eats pythons? Well, that thing doesn't exist. Yeah. So you're going to genetically engineer a crocodile that only eats pythons? Like, what are you going to do? You're not going to do anything. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a crazy situation. How does that play out? You know, that doesn't play out well. No. Yeah, unless there's like, that's the thing. If you opened up some kind of market for it, made it valuable for people to go get them. But then you run into that problem. Like when there's a lot of them, it's good and it's worth the money.

Yeah. But when it's not worth the money and the time, then, so the entire goal is, I don't know. I think it would be worth the money. I think if they, I know they have come up with rewards for people to kill pythons. But the fact that Florida, or excuse me, California, won't let you even sell python skin is so stupid. Because it's not based on any logic. There's not a shortage of pythons. They're just fucking idiots.

They're just idiots that interfere with people's lives and these weird moral high ground decisions that they make. Like, fuck you. You can't have alligator things? Why? How come you can kill alligators? How come they think you have to? How come wildlife biologists suggest that a certain number of them need to be removed from the population, but you can't sell alligator skin goods? Yeah.

Because you guys are fucking idiots. Yeah, it makes no sense. It doesn't have to make sense. It's all about optics to them. It's like, we're going to ban the use of exotics because we think it's just cruel. Why is that more cruel than cow leather? Explain.

Why is it more cruel than your Uggs that you wear or your sheepskin? Explain. There's no explanation. But the fact that that exists at a policy level, that exists like, the state laws, it's fucking crazy. Yeah. I want to make sure that's true. Make sure that alligator is banned in California.

Yeah, I'm looking at as of 2020. Yeah. January 1st. I don't, this doesn't have a reason why. There's no reason why. That's what's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. They added fur, too, or it's coming for all fur.

Yeah. Various lizards. 2023. Yeah. Like, again, lizards. We were talking about iguanas in Florida. How many people hunt iguanas now? Oh, yeah.

Because iguanas are, they're everywhere. They apparently freeze to death and then thaw and come back to life. Yeah, they just get so cold that they shut down and fall out of trees or something. And then it warms up and they come back to life. Yeah, it's like a miniature hibernation of some sort. It's so weird, man. It is. Yeah, I think they can – there's some animals that can actually freeze solid.

And then when they thaw out, they're alive again. I had like this crawdad trap in a lake, and I forgot about it. I thought, oh, shit, I forgot about that trap in his wintertime. So it had been frozen for a month maybe, and I chipped like the ice open to pull the trap out, and there was like a bullfrog in it. I was like thinking, oh thinking oh well he's clearly dead because he probably would have got in there before it froze who knows how long it had been in there

and it was like one of those warm days and it was alive still thing came back to life i think that's the animal i'm thinking of i think it's. I think frogs can freeze solid and then come back to life. Yeah, it made no sense. I've got six animals that can do it. Including an alligator. Of course an alligator can. Alligators don't have to eat for a year. Kill them. Kill that thing.

It doesn't have to eat for a year. It can just sit there and wait. A year! That's nuts. And then they can freeze? Yeah. They freeze solid too? And come back to life? What are the other ones? One's a caterpillar, so it's not technically an animal.

Wood frog, caterpillar, alligator, painted turtle hatchling, iguana, and a darkling beetle, which is also not an animal. So iguanas actually can freeze solid and come back to life. Wow. They're big, too.

That's what's really wild. We played a video once of these guys hunting them, and one guy shot a five-foot-long one. I mean, it was this giant-ass lizard. And they chopped it up and made, like, a teriyaki sauce and made, like, wings. Yeah, like chicken. Yeah, that's one of the things, I guess,

if you want people to eat it, you've got to change the name of what you're eating. Call it, like, venison. Yeah, like chicken. Yeah, that's one of the things, I guess, if you want people to eat it, you've got to change the name of what you're eating. Call it like venison. Yeah. Venison over deer, right? Maybe it's something, Chilean sea bass, some dog-toothed fish or something. Yeah, what do you think we could call it? What do you think we could call iguana?

Palm chicken maybe? Have you ever had iguana? I haven't, no. It's a weird way to hunt because they hunt them in canals in people's backyards, so it's very urban. There's tons of video. So they use bow fishing equipment. Air rifles or something, too. Yeah, but there's a lot of bow fishing equipment because you hit them and they don't always go down.

Oh, gotcha. They jump in the water and then you've got to pull them out. But they're fucking big, man. These are big creatures. And with all the food that's available in Florida, they have just constant food. Taking over. Yeah, they're big.

Something to feed the snakes, I suppose. Maybe. I don't think they live in the same spot, unfortunately. Huh. The snakes stick to the swamp and the iguanas stick to your yard. Oh. And they're aggressive. They'll run after you, too.

Huh. Which is not fun. No. Being chased by giant lizards. Yeah. Yeah, there's got to be somebody that can market that, like make dino nuggets out of them or something. I feel like that would be the...

What is that? What do you think? Iguana entree prepared on the grill is plated and ready to be served. What is this... This article from USA Today about iguanas falling, but people eating them in Latin America and Trinidad.

There's tons of video on YouTube of hunters and fishermen that are killing and eating iguanas. And they say it's good. I guess it's probably one of those things. You've just figured out how to cook it correctly. Yeah, it looks like white meat, too. Yeah.

Probably like anything fish or chicken. Puerto Rico, there's more iguanas than people. The government launched a program in 2012 to kill and export as many of the lizards as possible. Many on the island have also tried to popularize iguana consumption, but residents haven't warmed to the idea. You just gotta fucking

get it right. You gotta do a PR thing. It's gotta be, you've gotta change the name and people have to kind of lose the thought of an iguana, because there's certain things people don't want to eat. They just gotta get hungry. Or get hungry. Yeah. Yeah, with the food shortage the thought of an iguana because there's certain things people don't want to eat. They just got to get hungry. Or get hungry. Yeah.

Yeah, with a food shortage, I mean, iguana eating might just spike. I don't know. I mean, is there enough to sustain people? Maybe there is in Puerto Rico, but that's about it. Puerto Rico and Florida, that's the thing. Like those things, they need a really – like even in Florida, sometimes it gets too cold and they fall out of trees. People have died because they fell and hit them in the head. Really?

That's bad luck. That's not good. Yeah, forget about lightning. How many people die from iguanas falling off? You're watching the trees for frozen iguanas all day. That might not be true, though. That might be a rumor. Find out if people actually have died from cars that have had damage. I would imagine some cars have had damage.

Oh, yeah. I would imagine cars. I guarantee a few people have been clipped. Have to. Yeah. But how much does an iguana weigh? Like, actually, one of them big ones. Probably pretty fucking hefty.

Like, this one lady who shot one, she was holding it. I don't know how big she was, but she had her arms outstretched like she's holding up a marlin. And this goddamn giant dead lizard is in her arms. And I was like, I had no idea they were that big. Maybe she's a tiny lady. They're holding it out like a fish picture. Yeah. Right.

That's a tricky thing. It's hard to tell. The perspective shots. Right. Yeah. That's a big thing with people with animals like hiding behind it when they take a grip and grin. Yeah. That's something that I think they changed that, but YouTube for a while was going to,

they were going to stop people from showing animals being butchered, and they were going to stop kill shots. I don't know if they did it, but I remember it was a big conversation, and a lot of people that have hunting programs, and I know you do Solo Hunter and you release those. Those are on YouTube, right? Yeah, and I've got my own YouTube channel as well. Did they wind up implementing that?

Not that I know of. I haven't seen anything. So you didn't even pay attention to it? No. You know what it might have been is like for people that monetize stuff, there's different rules as well, which I understand you're getting random advertisers on there and they might not write certain things. So some people might have had problems like, oh, they're they're blocking this from whatever. Well, you know, it's more based on the monetization thing because there's there's you sign up for different rules when you when you do that.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's an issue that happened during the pandemic where they really ramped up on the amount of episodes of things that got demonetized. And a lot of people thought like, oh, this is like some sort of a plot to censor people. And like, it's more a plot to make money. They just want to make sure they maximize the advertiser money. And the advertisers essentially are the ones that dictate what kind of program is allowed on the network. One of the things that we found out during the pandemic was that pharmaceutical advertisers are 75% of all the ads on television.

I believe that. Isn't that wild? Yeah. Just, I can't find anybody dying from, I can't even find anybody getting injured from it. Near freezing temperatures have led to many falling right out of the trees they call home this morning. While unusual it's not the first time iguanas have

plummeted to the ground from trees due to a sharp falling temperature. Okay so it just says they're falling. Yeah it just says it can be dangerous if they land. A male might weigh up to 20 pounds or something like that. Yeah somebody told it to me and I was like I'm just going to start saying this. Some people have died.

Not unrelated to right now, when we were talking about the clone tiger meat the other day, I was trying to look up hard, where do people even need to eat that? Where are they eating tiger steaks? Right. Couldn't find it. Well, it's not available yet.

The company, the startup is about to even desire that why would someone want to have tiger meat no there's no commercial yeah yeah no nobody eats it i'm sure people have eaten it in the past but there was this one article that i read i want to say it was in vanity fair or Esquire or something like that but it was essentially this guy had infiltrated some there was like a club and they would meet and and they would meet like once a year I think it was in China and they would eat endangered species and they had like you could they could they would serve you like lion and they would serve tiger and they would serve shit that you're absolutely not supposed to eat and

then there was like this secret club of people that would get together and in and eat like a gourmet meal of endangered species i'm all for like eating wild meat, but sustainable wild meat. That's like really weird. I wouldn't go out of my way for something like that, obviously. But obviously it's you see some stuff, too. I guess I saw an article. They seized this dude that had in Spain some private museum of all. Have you seen that?

It's like this. They uncovered this museum he had a like full-on natural history museum in a warehouse of very rare some like extinct in the wild animals but you also you don't know where some of the stuff came from either but it was like were they dead or alive yeah dead like taxidermy oh whatever but pretty much everything and not knowing where he got him or how he got him i guess did he uh spill the beans? I don't know. All I saw was they had pictures of it,

and it looked like a pretty legit museum in a warehouse. Is this recent? Yeah, it was maybe four days ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Some people, I mean, you don't have a trophy room in your house, do you? No. What do you do with all?

Do you mostly Euro-mount your stuff? Yeah, I've got some stuff around the house, but I don't have a lot of space. There's a guy that I know that has a lot of dough. He's got a lot of cash, and he's got a room in his house that's... I want to say it's as big as... Like, what's a good... It's as big as like what's a good it's as big as a small restaurant

and it's filled just filled with taxidermy like it's like you go in this room and it's like oh my god everywhere you look it's like sheeps and deer and all kinds of stuff

that's a the trophy room is a weird thing. That's a weird one. I don't know. You know, like, there's certain parts of hunting where people that don't do it don't understand. Right. But, like, is that, it's like, okay, you've got this deer here, right? And I look at it and it's just a deer, but you look at it. The meat from that deer, I don't know if you shot that, but.

Yeah, I did. If you did, it's like the meat is long gone. Right. Everything is gone. But when you look at that, you like that animal lives on in your memory way longer than anything else that you would ever get at the store or anything like that. Like you have a personal connection with that. When you look at it. Yeah.

It's almost, it's a weird thing to explain to somebody that doesn't hunt. But in a way it's like i love animals so much and and maybe in some ways like that's almost honoring the memory of that animal to you it certainly is and it's in many ways it's art it's nature's art i i look at a skull and i only have european mounts for people that don't know what that means, a European mount is just the skull and the antlers together. When you see a stuffed mount of a deer head on a wall, you're looking at a doll. It's like fake eyeballs, and underneath it is like a foam sort of. It's like a sculpture.

Yeah, it's a sculpture. And oftentimes it's not even the actual hide of the animal that you shot. Like if the animal you shot is a fucked up hide, they'll give you a cape that you can put over or you could buy one that you could put over your mouth. So it's the only thing that's really from your animals, the antlers. Everything else is just bullshit. Yeah. But in some ways, you know, you're like, okay, you look at it as a hunter. And you're like, okay, it's like. It looks like the thing. Yeah. But in some ways, you know, you're like, okay, you look at it as a hunter and you're like,

okay, it's like. It looks like the thing. Yeah. You're like, that's great. And a lot of the, like, I've got a friend that's an incredible taxidermist and the stuff that he does is, it looks like art. Yeah. I mean, it's really good.

Listen, it is art. Yeah. I mean, when you, when, you know, you mount a mountain lion, it's like this. Ah. And you remember that you, you actually shot that mountain lion and it's, this. And you remember that you actually shot that mountain lion, and it's in your house now. You can look. It's a great visual representative.

But my mind won't let me do that. My mind goes, that's foam. That's rubber. This is fake. That's a fake nose. This is fake eyes. This is fake. I hate fakes.

I don't like this. Get it out of there. I've never wanted to have, like, a shoulder mount. Like, I look at them and I'm like, that's a doll. Yeah. It's not real. This is, to me, like, nature's art. Like, to see a skull with antlers, even if I had just found that in the forest, like

a dead head of an animal that had been killed by a mountain lion or something, when I look at that, it's art to me. I mean, I think it's, I'm fascinated by just, like there's so much beauty to this. I mean, just looking in the nasal cavity and you see how complicated it is. And you realize like this is an animal that has to survive on its nose. How important its nose is. And you look at that enormous opening that it has for taking in scents. Yeah.

And then you see the eyeballs and how they rotate on the side of the heads and they're like way off to the side so they can see things from both sides and behind them almost and in front of them. I'm amazed. I just think they're fucking gorgeous. Yeah, it is cool. Yeah, that to me is way cooler than covering it up with a doll eyes. It's also crazy that they just, no matter what it is, anything with antlers, grow back every year.

I know, it's nuts. Well, the elk is the most nuts. Yeah. Because it's so much. So much. Was it like five inches? Not necessarily length inches, but in size-wise, 5 to 10 per day. Really?

Of growth, yeah. Essentially bone. It's that quick? Yeah. I mean, not like it could be, you know, you're taking measurements around the circumference of the entire thing. Yeah, I think I read that it's the fastest growing bone in all of nature. It is, yeah. Yeah, that's incredible.

And you shot a giant one last year, right? Yeah. Was that New Mexico that we were talking about? Was your hand broken back then? Yeah, it was. Yeah, I was like, I had to get through the whole season without... But you use a wrist strap anyway, right? Which is probably good for that.

Yeah, I would think so. Because you pull back. You're not grabbing something with your hand to pull it back. Right. Yeah, I wasn't doing lots of reps pulling it back because you did feel it. Like there's a few times you pop or do something weird. But yeah, I was still able to do it and just got through it. Have you ever thought about reviving that show Apex Predator? You know, I have.

I was like, that was one thing. I really enjoyed that show. It's a great show. It's super cool. And I feel like it might have even been a little before its time in some ways and just didn't have the right support. And, you know, like, it was like TV was, like, it was fairly expensive to make. And then, like, it was on a network that didn't want to spend a lot of money. And then that network was, like, the network kind of peaked and started fall.

You know, it's like TV viewership went down and everything like that. So now everything is digital or on streaming services or something like that. But I would definitely love to do it again. The right, you know, I don't know. There was a lot of interesting things that we learned doing it. Yeah, a lot of interesting things I learned. Yeah, it was one of the things like you learned doing it. Yeah, a lot of interesting things I learned. Yeah. It was one of the things like you do this, the hunting thing your entire life,

and then I've just always been fascinated by nature and what nature teaches us, what it learns. There's so much crazy shit out there. I think you think about aliens. I'm like, there's way weirder stuff here. We just are used to it. Well, you told me about octopus. Yeah. I had no idea how bizarre

they were i like that became the you were the source absolutely of my fascination with octopus yeah octopi i guess you'd say either one octopuses octopus octopus octopi but when when i watched your show when you first of all you came on the show and you explained it to me. You're like, dude, there are aliens. Yeah, absolutely. And there's, I mean, there's things, even I feel like I know a lot about animals or a lot of different animals. And then one day I'll be like looking at something. There's an animal called the slow loris. I guess it's a venomous mammal. What?

Didn't even know that existed. I hope that that's right because I just read that. I was like, how did I not know that? Unless it's it's some unless i was reading some you can't trust anything anymore that's the part that sucks you just a slow look at this thing look at that thing yeah can secrete venom wow but the venom is not toxic in all species interesting there have been reports of people getting bit but they are typically safe as pets. What? As pets?

Bites from a slow, so it's kind of like almost like a sloth. Yeah. I don't know how slow they are, though. Bites from a slow loris can be extremely painful and have been known to cause illness and even death in humans in some circumstances. And they have pygmy slow lorises, too. Wow. What a cutie. Yeah.

Aw. It's like a rattlesnake chinchilla cross. Look how adorable. Oh my God, that's the most adorable creature I've ever seen. He's holding a little piece of fruit going, please leave me alone. I don't want to have to use my venom on you. Aw, that might be the cutest little thing I've ever

seen in the forest. I like the description, cute but deadly. Look at the baby one. Oh my goodness. They look fake. The eyes look almost fake. Adorable. There's just

some weird stuff out there. Every day I'm learning something new. Crazy things. And animals that'm learning something new. Some crazy things. And animals that specialize in something that you think, man, it's like we, there's technology that we don't even have yet that animals are just doing. Yeah. You look at nature and a lot of the things that we aspire to make animals can just do. Well, one of the things that I really loved about when you do the the solo hunts and solo hunters when you went to africa and slept outside yeah and and hunted solo with cameras

and i was like that's a ballsy move yeah that's like some survivor man type shit yeah that's i mean i i love that aspect of hunting and survival and just kind of going out and living off the land in many ways i don't know i enjoy that experience of it it's just it's how i connect with nature well you you also when you do it you take living off the land like fairly seriously like i remember the one hunt that you had in nevada where you're essentially out of food yeah and you were starving and you you kind of purposely did it that way. Yeah.

I think – well, I ended up going out and then ending it. Like the hunt wasn't going real well. So I had to stay longer. But instead of hiking out and then spending all that time, I just used what time I had and just didn't have any more food. So I just continued to hunt, in which case my body was really just eating itself. How many days did you do that for it wasn't uh i don't it was probably like a week worth of time and the time that i ran out of food wasn't super long but also you're burning a lot more calories you're hiking hard in in high elevation so my body is probably burning five to five thousand calories a day in those kind of conditions

and then you just don't have those calories and I end up shooting a deer and and then having to pack it out I actually ate the heart just raw there to get enough energy to you ate it ah yeah is it the first time you ever did that no yeah I've done it multiple times many times actually but there you there used to be this thing kind of like when you shoot your first animal you know you take a bite of the heart it was like a traditional thing that people would do and when i was guiding i would like people that were new i'd be like okay here you know do this and people would always be like oh no that's weird and so i would do it like shit i was like nothing's gonna happen and then i had some guy was i told him about he's like cool and he's like

super and he just bites the heart and takes the piece and it hands it to me I told him about it and he's like cool and he just bites the heart and it hands it to me and I look at it and there's parasites in it and that was the last time I did it so I didn't tell him you didn't tell him that there's parasites in the heart that he ate? he'll be fine was he okay?

yeah as far as I know maybe he has heartworms now but I don't really know I was was I listening to Rinella's show? Someone caught trichinosis. No, no. What was it? Oh, toxoplasmosis. That's what it was.

They caught toxo from eating deer meat. And I was like, that's crazy. Like toxoplasmosis is, I think it's called toxoplasmosis gondii it's uh it's a parasite that you get from a lot of people get it from cats and uh it's a very strange uh parasite because it rewires this it's one of the most bizarre parasites because it rewires the sexual reward system of rats. And it makes rats attracted to cat urine. And it makes them fearless. So the way this parasite grows and spreads is inside a cat's gut.

And the way it gets inside a cat's gut is to get into a rat first. So it gets into the rat first and tricks the rat into being horny for cat piss. So it goes where the cats are. And like, you see them like literally chasing cats and cats are like, what the fuck? And these are rats with toxo.

And then the cat will kill the rat. And then the cat will get it into humans. It's either from, that's one of the reasons why they tell women when they're pregnant to never handle cat shit, never deal with cat poo, because cat feces can contain toxoplasmosis and they can get into your system.

It also affects people in a way that makes them more risk-taking. And there's a guy named Robert Sapolsky. He's, I believe, is he an anthropologist? I think psychologist and maybe an anthropologist. He does a lot of primate research. Sapolsky's been on our show before, but one of the things that he did was when he was a resident, one of the doctors that he worked with in the ER, whenever they get motorcycle victims, he would say, check them for toxo. And there's a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims that test positive for toxoplasmosis because they think it makes them take more risks. That's crazy.

I never heard about that. That's nuts. Yeah. That's another weird thing in nature. It's not just weird. It's so prevalent. In areas that are like tropical climates and areas that have a lot of cats, they have a huge population of the people might test positive for toxo.

Like in France at one point in time, more than 50% of the population was positive for toxo. Really? Yeah. That's crazy. And it's a parasite that affects the way you think. It affects the way you behave. The fact that it sends the rats to the cats. I mean, it's some way, it's like it grows in the rat,

and then it's like, okay, now a cat needs to kill you so I can live. I think it needs to reproduce in a cat gut. Is that what it is? I think that's what it is. What does Sapolsky do? Is he a psychologist or an anthropologist? Neuroendocrinology researcher and author, current professor of biology and neurology and neurological sciences at Stanford. And he's done some amazing work with primates, too, like amazing work with orangutans and baboons, rather, uh some different primates and just like studying

the way they think and behave but his work on toxoplasmosis was what drew me to him because i remember reading about that i'm like well because i've had a lot of cats in my my childhood and i'm not i'm scared to test to see if i have it and once you have it you have it forever i believe so yeah i think it makes you a little reckless does. But it doesn't live in your brain. Yes. Oh, it does live in your brain. Yeah, it lives, yeah. It's like a prion of some kind or something.

I think it infects a lot of tissue, but it affects your brain. I'm looking up, I just typed it in with deer, so I'm getting a lot of the deer stuff. But there were reports in Canada, Wisconsin, and I just scrolled down and saw 200 free roaming cats and 444 white-tailed deer were tested positive for the parasite in ohio northeast ohio so the thing is feral cats shit all over the place and piss all over the place when they shit all over the place deer can get in contact with their shit and they'll pick

up toxo gotcha and so then you will shoot a deer and you get toxo from that deer. That's, yeah. So I wonder if that's like, if it's a deer near like. It's got to be near houses. Yeah, near houses and pets and other things. Yeah, like a lot of the places I hunt, I doubt I would contract to that. Right. Just like mountains.

Mountain hunting mule deer. The back country of the places I hunt, I doubt I would contract to that. Right. Just like mountains. Mountain hunting mule deer. The back country of the mountains. No. There aren't many feral cats there. Have you ever seen the Australian bow hunting magazines? Do they show feral cats as trophies? I have, yeah. Bizarre.

Yeah. It's weird. Green Tree gave me a magazine. He's like, mate, on your flight home, check this out. And I'm on a plane reading this magazine. I turn a page and there's a guy holding a cat up with a fucking hole in its chest. I was like, I might want to put this magazine away until I get home. Yeah.

That's another thing, man. They've got so many unique species and feral cats are just wiping them out. How do you control that in the mountains and just in the wild? Well, in Australia, they have a giant problem with them they don't know what to do I mean they've wiped out ground nesting birds and so many different species there yeah they pay people to hunt them yeah I watched a documentary about this guy hunts cats and like his whole house is filled with cat fur like he's making like cats yeah have you seen that guy he seems pretty crazy yeah he's making like cat fur like

covers for his duvet and yeah i saw that yeah it's something fucked yeah yeah i would think like it'd be more most efficient to probably trap them in some way but i don't they're hard to probably get a control of the numbers is there any place that you haven't hunted that you have like a goal to go to, to experience? I don't know. I mean, I think there's lots of cool places around. Some of the, well, I think there's a lot of reasons to hunt different places. For me, I like that adventure of going somewhere new and like seeing that culture and connecting with hunters and places. It's like this is where they do, they've been doing it a certain way for

a very long time and just kind of like learning from those people there's places in central asia that i think would be pretty cool and in places that you know you don't really go to visit it's like it's not a prime destination for vacation right so it's like how do you even find your way into these places and explore these places and meet these people? And it's through hunting. So there's a few places like that that I think it'd be cool to go and just kind of like experience that with those people. You see, actually Mongolia is one of those places. I think they've got like a really cool nomadic culture and hunting's obviously a part of that. You know, they're moving because they're following food sources and don't have like haven't for a very long time that permanent settlement so

it's like a nomadic culture I think that's fair I'm very intrigued by that well I mean that's a giant part of their history like it is Genghis Khan one of his whole things was that they didn't respect people that live in homes yeah because they lived in these felt tents and people who didn't live in tents were pussies yeah that's that's how they thought of it yeah it's really kind of wild is that attitude yeah I don't know I feel like it's just like it's a cool it would be a cool thing to experience some of those people what do they do still over there I mean they've got everything got elk they've got they

really have how elk in Mongolia? They call them marl stag, yeah. Oh, wow. They've got species of ibex, goats. Whoa, look at those fucking sheep. What kind of sheep is that? That's probably an Altai Argali, I think. Look at the horns on that thing. Oh, there it is. Mongolian Argalis.

Look at the horns Insane Yeah those are pretty crazy Oh my god it's amazing That whole world of sheep hunters That's a whole different world Look at that thing God that's gorgeous The antlers on that thing are intense

Yeah that's pretty cool The hunting with eagles Yeah they hunt with eagles I saw them hunt a wolf with eagles yeah they hunt with eagles i saw them hunt a wolf with eagles yeah wolves foxes it's um that that whole uh sheep hunting thing is a strange subset of hunters because it's a lot of rich people that go on these bizarre, dangerous adventures to hunt sheep. And I was like, that's interesting that that somehow or another caught on with a lot of these wealthy trophy hunter type guys. Yeah. Yeah, I think, well, the opportunity, it's like an economic thing in a way where there's not a lot of, let's say there's not a lot of tags, right?

So the price of that one tag just keeps going up. But the reason that price of that tag needs to be so expensive is that's what's helping the sheep populations come back. There's no other management for these like very, I would say like a niche species, a species that's living somewhere that needs a lot of resources of things. species, a species that's living somewhere that needs a lot of resources of things like in the state of Nevada, actually, there's more sheep in the state of Nevada than any other sheep out or any other state outside of Alaska, as far as the United States. And it's because of like hunter conservation dollars and projects and building, helping, you know, restore habitat with drinkers and water things and all that kind of stuff. And they auction off, they'll like auction off in pretty much every Western state, one sheep tag and some like the Montana one goes for 300

and something thousand dollars. You know, they raised, I think it was like the wild sheep show this last year, they raised like $10 million, I think at their banquets. Wow. For just sheep conservation. It's like, who else is putting $10 million to conserve something like that? And that's just one event. I mean there's thousands of those events throughout the country. So it's like there's a ton of money going into the research and the restoration, conservation, all kinds of that, easements. They're actually like one of the biggest threats to wild sheep is domestic sheep crossing and giving them – Brucellosis. It a called movie it's

like a it's a form of pneumonia oh and it'll wipe out like it's the biggest threat to wild sheep populations so you got maybe you've got somebody that's been grazing sheep for 15 generations on whatever land so they're actually going in and buying out grazing permits and all that kind of stuff so it can be so those wild sheep populations don't encounter those domesticated sheep and building fences to keep certain domesticated sheep from wild herds that's that's big projects right now and even just studying that disease it is a it's it's a weird subset of hunting though because it's a difficult hunt it is but it's wealthy people yeah like there's a lot of like

old rich guys that go on this like incredibly dangerous difficult endurance hunt for sure that's weird right yeah i think so yeah i think this like they they like that just like anything you know you get a certain kind of it's a real adventure in some ways where it's like you're pushing yourself to certain limits and that's the way that they experience it yeah um uh brendan burns and jason harriston and they'd gone on this one of those trips for kuyu and they were were talking about like the what they had went through and i'm like you know harrison at the time was a millionaire yeah and he's out there like almost dying yeah you like punish yourself yeah it's yeah i don't know for me in

some ways i think it's weird but um maybe not not everybody relates to it like this but for me it's like my enjoyment is through the suffering of it like i feel like if i'm gonna be out there then i need to be hurting in some way it's like this weird masochistic thing of like if i'm gonna kill something i mean i you could go on a hunt like i could go out here in texas right and i could go sit in front of a yeah and i could shoot a deer and it's like yeah okay well it's it's providing the same end game right it's providing meat for myself but it's not like I don't like I feel it's just not for me it's not the same it's like I want to kind of hurt in some way I want to like experience it in some way and I've like personally if I go on a, like I pick my hunts based on how difficult they are, because it's like, I don't want the gimme's. And there are

hunts where you go out and it's like, uh, it was easier than I expected or, or something. And I just don't, I don't, I don't value it as much. So for me personally, it's like, well, I'm going to go do those things that it's hard and I got to struggle for it. And that's, it's just, I get that experience. And then I also get the same end result. Hopefully I get meat that I get to take home and eat. And that's, that's the way that I do it. And it'll be a different experience eating that meat than if you just sat in front of a feeder. For sure. Like there's, I don't even think of that stuff they do out here as hunting. I think of it as harvesting food and there's nothing wrong with that. And if you want to eat wild game, that's probably the best way to ensure that you're going to get wild game.

Set up in front of a feeder and this is just a way to harvest food. And you're going to get it quick and you don't even have to be in shape. But the difference between that and like the experience that I talked to you about, about Montana that turned me into a hunter, like that was a difficult, arduous experience. It was days and days and days of hunting and hiking and, and glassing and freezing your dick off and climbing up to the top of a ridge and not high density of deer and, you know, just trying to find them. And then when we did find it, like the, the feeling of success after the difficulty is what makes it all worth it. If it was easy, like we got out of the, you know, we got on a boat, we pull over to the shore, like, Oh, there's one right there bang shoot him okay that's

hunting right it would be too easy yeah you know like you don't want it to be difficult because you want to suffer you want it to be difficult because you want the success to be worth it because you suffered for sure that makes sense it's like a weird reward thing that flips on you. Because as the hunter, I know that if you cooked an elk steak right now and I cooked an elk steak. And it's like you cooked an elk steak of an elk you shot and an elk steak of the elk I shot. The one that you know you took and that entire experience is more rewarding. You're going to choose that elk steak.

I mean, I live off wild game meat, but it's not like I go to, like when I go to a restaurant, I'm not ordering elk because it's not, it's not, it doesn't taste the same to me. It doesn't taste the same as something that I took or was a part of.

There's like, there's like even something that maybe there's, it's like a certain kind of seasoning through sweat in some ways. The harder you work for it, the better it tastes because it's just that like reward factor. Well, there's a, there's another element that comes into the play. It's like you have memories of the experience. And also like when I think of a wild game animal, like an elk that's penned up and that they feed and then slaughter and then serve to restaurants, I get bummed out. Yeah.

It doesn't bother me with cows. Like when, when a cow goes to slaughter, I get bummed out. Yeah. It doesn't bother me with cows. When a cow goes to slaughter, I'm like, eh, that's what they do. That's what they're for. But if someone's doing that with domestic deer, I'm like, ugh. Yeah. It seems horrible. I don't want to support that. Yeah, I don't know.

I think for me, it's more just I like the experience of getting it myself. Are you still filming stuff for Solo Hunter? Are you still doing that? Yeah. Is getting it myself are you still uh filming stuff for solo hunter you're still doing that yeah is that primarily were you doing your filming stuff no actually i've been doing it more i've got um i kind of did my i just started like last year uh just doing my own youtube channel uh that way i can do stuff that's not also that's also not just self-filmed so i'm still doing some of the solo stuff but a lot of it goes on my youtube channel first um just like a remy warren youtube channel that is starting to grow that gotta be the most difficult way to hunt i mean think about like bow and arrow is difficult bow and arrow traditional is more difficult traditional bow and arrow while you're self-filming most difficult i

think so and that's what you do sometimes. Yeah, yeah. I love it. In some ways, though, I'm so used to self-filming now that it's easier for me to self-film than have somebody with me filming. Because I can control everything. I've done it enough where I feel like I've gotten really good at it. And for me, it's actually easier now to do the self-filming thing than to have somebody there filming with me.

Unless it was somebody that had, like, the same hunting skills, which is, it's, like, not really feasible to find somebody that does that and films or, like, does a good job filming, too. So that part, for me, it's actually harder to have somebody following me around with a camera than for me to film myself. Well, when I went hunting with Ronell, the times that I've gone, one of the things that really struck me is what a shit job that is for the camera guys yeah because like they're a not hunting b that's just a job but it's they're there 24 hours a day oh it's like there's no going home

they got to do they got to do all the things everybody else has to do but they also have the camera and try to capture something that and not and not mess it up either and how do you pay them by the hour? Are you counting the hour that they're sleeping on the ground? No, that's all salary. Fuck. You get paid per contract on those kind of things. That sucks.

That's a sucky deal unless you're one of those people that really loves it. Yeah. And really loves like there are guys out there that love struggle. They love difficult things. They love being in difficult terrain and filming them and capturing it. loves like this there are guys out there that love struggle they love difficult things they love being in difficult terrain and filming them and capturing it like that's a passion of them to capture you know like um just get the most accurate visual representation of the experience of hunting yeah and of being in the wild like brandlin Brandlin Schake's really good at that. Yeah, he's really good at it. He's really good at that.

He's, like, he's an artist in that genre. Like, there's people that just sort of turn on the camera and point it in the right direction, and then there's people who, like, you see them in their work. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah, and when people are really good at it,

I mean, it's just like anything else, man. It's a craft. It is. It's hard to accomplish. Well, it's just like anything else, man. It's a craft. It is. It's hard to accomplish. Well, that's how I got interested in hunting is watching hunting television shows. Like my wife had endured me watching television shows on hunting for years for everyone hunting. She's like, why are you watching that? That's actually one of the things.

Well, because when you first reached out to me, it was like, hey, I've been watching the Solo Hunter thing. I was like, why are you watching? Like, you know, again, I learned a lot. That's the one thing I didn't even realize about Solo Hunter is, you know, people that the comment that I give is like, man, I learned so much. I was like, I didn't even know I was teaching you anything. I was just going out there doing my thing. And people like really liked that aspect of like, OK, I'm like seeing how you're doing something that maybe I've never seen it done in this way ever before. Well, I really love solo hunter too, because you're, when you're doing it, you're talking to yourself and you're talking to the camera.

And there's something pure about that. That is just you alone out there. Like I remember there was one where you were hunting and you stopped to go fly fishing or you stopped to catch trout and then you cook the trout like you know that was like your lunch that day and i remember thinking man that's gotta be a fucking cool experience he's by himself he's hunting and he's like let me just stop and catch a fish for the day yeah and you catch that fish and cook it then you're back on the hunt again yeah yeah that's a lot of fun yeah now there's like there's like that alone show you know yeah that's really taken off yeah that's but that's different though

goofy yeah it's you know well i like the real deal i like when you're just doing it yeah you're just doing i mean that's just like whether i had a camera or not that's the exact thing i'm doing no matter what and that's the thing that i loved about that is you know there was just like okay i'm here i'm documenting what I'm doing and taking people along for the ride, I guess. One of the other ones that I really enjoyed of yours was when you decided to camp out in this ancient Native American site that you had found on the hill, this abandoned site.

Like that was pretty wild. Yeah, it was just like a windbreak. I think they used them as blinds originally. So it was up on this plateau. I actually ran into on a previous trip an archaeologist that was up there. And they were thinking that it might have been one of the first. They're around this lake and they're saying like in that area, maybe one of the first like kind of not like a semi-permanent place where they would keep going back to that place like during the summer.

like a semi-permanent place where they would keep going back to that place during the summer. And then, yeah, you'd see that they'd build blinds, essentially. And then probably my assumption was they'd build those blinds and then herd sheep, wild sheep. Oh, towards them. Yep. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah. All right, Remy. Well, listen, brother, it's always good to talk to you, always good to catch up with you. If people want to get a hold of you, it's Remy Warren on Instagram. Do you use anything else? Do you use Facebook? Every social media.

All of it, Remy Warren. Remy Warren. And Remy Warren on YouTube? Remy Warren channel? Remy Warren on YouTube, yeah. And then Live Wild podcast if you want to. Yeah, it's great. Your podcast is great.

Yeah. Or tactics or whatever. Slowly but surely, people will be indoctrinated into want to. Yeah, it's great. Your podcast is great. Tactics or whatever. Slowly but surely, people will be indoctrinated into your world. Yeah. Well, thanks, brother. Appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. Alright. Bye, everybody.