The Joe Rogan Experience - #1815 - The Black Keys

Episode Date: May 10, 2022

The Black Keys are guitarist/vocalist Dan Auerbach, and drummer Patrick Carney. Their new album, "Dropout Boogie," is available on May 13. http://www.theblackkeys.com/

The Joe Rogan Experience Thank you, thank you. I listened to it at the gym this morning, in fact, right before I got here. It was fucking good, man. It's classic Black Keys. It's so good. Oh, shit, man. You guys consistently make just fucking banging music. It's so good. It's so consistent. How the fuck are you guys so consistent?

You know, we learned to play together, you know, 23 years ago. I literally started playing drums with him because before that I was playing guitar. I guess we just learned how to play together. We have this kind of dynamic. I think we also have a very similar taste. It's all kind of very,

it's very, I believe, in fate after meeting, after this existence we have because if it weren't for us growing up a few houses down from each other, we would have never met. And we've become, you know, like literally like brothers. We have this really,

our, our first record came out 20 years ago this week and we've been doing this thing. And it's, it's kind of feels like a dream. You know, when I think back about all the shit we've been through and but as far as the consistency it's like we've always been on the

same pace we just wanted to we were like fascinated with albums we wanted to make records and we were like you know two dorks living around the corner from each other who had these things called four tracks you know like a little cassette and you could record four different sounds i didn't have one the first time i saw one was at pats i had yeah i had one he blew my mind man it was so cool you could like record guitar what year is this about 97. and then we would like around on our four track and i would take it over to his house his parents house and we'd like set microphones up in the bathroom and to get different he just sat on the toilet put the drums in front of him use the toilet as the seat and uh we would just have fun and then you know like

around 2000 and uh it was 2001 it's like right around 9 11 i bought this like digital 12 track recorder and it was a big deal because it cost like $1,000, and I went into debt, and I ran into Dan right around then. We were both like 21, and I told him about it. He's like, you should come record my band. He had a bar band, and so I told him to come over, and the other dudes just never showed up, and so I was there with this recorder, and he's like, you should just play the drums, which I didn't really play, and I was there with this recorder, and he's like, you should just play the drums, which I didn't really play. And so we set up the mics, and he showed me the songs,

and we recorded them real quick. And then I spent a couple days mixing it, gave him the CD-R, and he's like, dude, we should start a band. And we had this friend. Our parents had met this guy. And we had this friend. Our parents had met this guy.

Dan's dad's like a folk art dealer, antiques dealer. And he had discovered this artist in Akron named Alfred McMore, who was schizophrenic and other things. And his dad used to buy him these scrolls of 50-foot long, 5-foot wide paper. And this guy would do these crazy crayon and pencil drawings on them. Dan's father would sell them for a couple hundred bucks and give the money to this dude. And he would keep a scroll or two for himself, you know, here and there. But this guy, my dad then was a newspaper journalist

and would write stories about this guy. So this guy, Alfred McMore, used to call our parents' houses all the time. And we would come home from, like, school and we'd have these messages like, this is Alfred McMore used to call our parents' houses all the time. And we would come home from school and we'd have these messages like, this is Alfred McMore. If you don't bring me some pipe tobacco or some Diet Coke, you're a D-flat. You're a black key. And we'd have hundreds of these messages sometimes.

And it was like a complete inside joke. So when Dan's like, we should name the band, we should start a band. I was like, we're the black keys. It was like within a second, we named the band. We set this thing off, and we got this record deal. And then we got this record deal with a small little label in LA called Alive. And they basically said, if you send us 12 songs, we'll put your record out, and we'll send you like 50 copies on vinyl and 200 CDs.

And they also sent this little paragraph contract, which is like the most bulletproof contract we've ever signed. We can't get out of it. on vinyl and 200 CDs. And they also sent this little paragraph contract, which is like the most bulletproof contract we've ever signed. We can't get out of it. But they kept their end of the bargain. We sent them this record that we made. And that was the thing. We spent like February of 2002 in my basement

at this house we lived in. I lived in with some friends. It was like a rock place. Richmond place. Yeah, it's this little really shitty house in the ghetto in Akron. It was rat infested, and I lived there with some buddies, and I sat up in the basement with this recorder,

and Dan would come over every day, and we would record, try to make this record, try to figure out what a record was. We had no idea. I had to wake him up every day. He slept in. Pat sleeps well.

I'd always wake up early, so I'd wait until like 10 to come over. There were no cell phones. I had to throw the rocks at his window and get him up every day. Every day. I'd hear his horn honking, yelling. He'd scream in. And there was a rat infestation too we used we might have to like clean up a rat before we dead rat here dead rat before we damn that many it was nuts man they

were in the bottom of the oven i guess you guys didn't use the oven much dude it was nuts but we had no idea what we're doing and we just kind of knew that we we knew we wanted to learn how to make the records we just taught ourselves how to do it because the record deal we got involved us receiving zero money so we were responsible for us for ourselves to make this thing we didn't know how to mix we didn't know how to do anything we just guessed and we sent the thing off and got these records sent back a few weeks later and we were like hooked and we were like at that point we were we we were like what do we do what do we do now and the guy the guy at alive who Patrick who runs the label was very helpful and was like he's French and I can't really do the accent but he was

like and man you got to go on the road man and like he had this mercenary booking agent book a tour for us and i just found like the original kind of route sheet it was like two pages of text and it just was basically like leave akron drive to chicago guaranteed money like 50 drive to denver no guaranteed money two dollar ticket it was just basically like you have to be like probably slow to do what we did and either slow or totally desperate and we were probably a little both but we went on this tour and it was like out of a dream because by the time we go around we go up like to vancouver and we have these crazy adventure you know we have no credit card we just got a

cell phone that was like too expensive for us to even use and we were in this 1994 Plymouth Grand Voyager just driving across the country uh with just you know a Rand McNally Atlas trying to figure out like how to get to these places and like MapQuest directions we printed out MapQuest and there's always construction

and just totally fucks you up and you're we were when we were 22 we were like little kids really because we were also

pretty I mean kind of sheltered I think for 22 yeah we'd never really been anywhere I'd been to New York City with my dad at antique shows or something,

but, I mean, we saw the world together. Oh, my God, dude. If you want to believe in fate, that's a good argument for it. We showed up to this place on, like, the third day we show up. We got to drive all the way across the country to Vancouver, and we're exhausted. We had to lie to cross the border. We had to say we

were there to like record go to a recording studio because we couldn't afford a work permit and we found this hostel for like $10 a night and we were like let's stay here as my brother was with us so we go in we pay 30 bucks and the guys like you want some weed with that and these guys bought weed I don't really smoke weed and oh My god, we I got so high got so parent. I thought we'd get murdered in there And there's this guy sitting in this little courtyard right where we checked in. He's wearing like this tracksuit It's like big ball of weed

He's like a ball of hashish. It's like hash. Yeah, it was like clay. You know what I mean? Yeah Yeah, it's about hash yeah it was like clay you know what i mean yeah yeah it was about this big about softball just staring staring at the walls smoking the shit and like that was like around 11 a.m at like 3 a.m we get back to the thing the balls now like the size of like a marble and he's just like i was like and that's when i smoked weed i was like that guy down there like he's he's gonna kill us fucking come up here have you ever seen the woody allen movie uh take the money and run yes all right his apartment that's the room we stayed in with like the water stains and Fucking come up here. Have you ever seen the Woody Allen movie, Take the Money and Run? Yes. His apartment, that's the room we stayed in with the water stains and the sink off the wall.

That's what the fucking place looked like. Oh, man, it's gnarly. It's so cool to tell that story, though. Isn't it now, after all the success that you guys have had, to be able to have a story like that? Dude, that whole tour is just stories like that. Every night was something ridiculous. That's rock and roll, though, right? The next night we played this place in Seattle

called Chop Suey and it was crazy. It was like a couple hundred people showed up and that was shocking. What the fuck, people know who we are in Seattle? They didn't know who we were even in Akron. How'd they know who you were in Seattle? There was a Seattle Weekly write up, or a Stranger write up.

We got a weekly write up or a stranger write up. We got a weekly write up and it was filled up. We got a couple hundred, we got like 500 bucks and I was freaking out like, oh my, because like that was enough money

to get us home and I was like, I'm going to sleep in the van tonight like to guard the money. You guys go because like they went to a party

and I woke up at like, you know, 2. 30 in the morning so that sounded like all these dudes outside the van like what the fuck what the fuck's going on i look out and this is like 25 people in santa claus outfits and i'm like what the fuck is fucking going on i was like what am i gonna do and i was like and i had to pee so bad i was like what the fuck i have to. And there's all these fucking Santa Claus. I was like losing my mind.

And I pee in this Gatorade bottle, but I get pissed all over the van. And I just like chuck it out the door, close the door. I'm like, what the fuck? And the whole night I'm just like trembling. Like, what the fuck is going on? And I wake up the next day and it was like a gay bar called the Manhole and they were having a Christmas in July party. So I was like, that's what was going on.

I was like, what the fuck? Insanity, dude. But yeah, I mean. When you think back about it now, it must seem like fate. Just the circumstances you guys meeting, the fact that the rest of the band didn't show up, the fact that you guys lived right down the street from each other, and the way you guys get along together and make music.

I mean, it's pretty fucking incredible. Yeah, the older we get, the more I think we appreciate it, you know? It's like, it feels like everything's changed around us. Everything's changed in life in general. But like when we get together in the studio, it's the same. Well, it feels the same as a fan. That's what's amazing. Like you sent me the link to the new album.

Does it come out today? When does it come out? It comes out May 13th. What's today? 9th? Yeah. Yeah. When you sent me the link to it, as soon as it started, I'm like, yeah, Black Keys.

Like, right away. Like, your music is so recognizable. You know, my friend Ari turned me on to you guys. I forget what year it was, but, you know, he knows I love, like, John Lee Hooker and a lot of, I love a lot of, like, old blues guys. And he goes, dude, you're going knows i love like john lee hooker and a lot of i love a lot of like old blues guys and he goes dude you're gonna fucking love these guys and uh i've just been a gigantic fan ever since i wish i could remember the first song i listened to but i don't but uh your your music is so consistent and it's not like a lot of the stuff that's out there. It's very uniquely your own. And I don't know how you guys are doing that. What is this?

2012. All right. Okay, but I think I'd already heard of you guys before. Before Tencent Pistol. That was just someone put it on the jukebox. I was just checking it. That's the cool thing about seeing people discover our band. I always think

back to that first record be like oh yeah this would be you know if i was a 15 year old i like discovered our band knowing that that first record was like this homemade thing like you know you could you know i think that we kind of have our stories kind of like you know it's like american dream band type of situation like two dudes who grew up on the same street uh who got bullied by the same guy and traded baseball cards with each other like start this band and now you know you can see like that first record's like a testament to us learning how to do it you know because it's so wrong lo-fi and up sometimes that's really cool though yeah like there's this guy who lives in canada god damn it what is his name we we've talked about him before yeah what's that no no no no no no he's this really weird guy

who uh wears dresses and and sings in his basement. And he set up a fucking, like a curtain and put like an old VHS tape and made his own videos. And like, one of his songs is called Really Big Cock. And he's either gay or he's bisexual. He's like, he cross dresses bisexual. He cross-dresses. But his stuff is really fucking interesting. But it's super low-budget. Sounds terrible.

Nothing sounds crisp and clean. But there's some character to that. The fact that the way he does it that way. God damn it. It's one name. It's on the tip of my tongue. I've got it. I just got it. You got it? Tonetta?'s one name. It's on the tip of my tongue. I've got it. I just got it.

You got it? Tonetta? Yes! Tonetta. I don't know. See if you can find really big cock the video. Because it's actually good music. I think the guy was like, if I wanted to, I think he worked in a computer store or something

like that. And this was some shit he did on the side. And it was an interview he did where his, his yeah this is it give me some volume on this What can I do to make love rock? It's thick, it's long, it's well-hung. It's a really, really, really, really, really, really nice one. Got a really, really, really, really, really, really sweet step. To make love, to make love last. It sustains, remains in position. To fulfill, and it's a mission. It sustains, remains in position to fulfill and submission.

Got a really, really, really, really, really, really sweet treat to put your womb into heat. If you've got the room, I've got the meat. It's a really, really, really, really, really sweet treat. Come on, man. It's cool, right? It feels like he's got a girl down in a well right next to her. Give me a little more volume. You know what I'm saying?

Keep it on the background a little bit. But you know what I'm saying? It's like I listen to this in the car sometimes. Like when I'm driving around, it's on one of my playlists. When I'm driving by myself, I like this song. Oh, yeah. You know, but it's like you look at this, this guy made this for zero money. He has, I mean, I don't know what he's using.

He's like fucking Windows 98. Have you ever heard of the band The Shags? No. Okay. My Uncle Ralph was a musician. He was really avant-garde. Dan, you want some Tyson weed? I'll give it a shot.

Yeah, I knew you would. I'll give it a shot. I knew you would I knew you would he put my uncle played with Tom Waits for years and he played saxophone

he's into really weird stuff but when I was a teenager he introduced I went to visit him in San Francisco and he introduced me to all this weird music for the first time

and he's like he played me this record by this band called The Shags and they have a record called Philosophy of the World. And it's three sisters who absolutely can't play music or write music or sing. And their dad wanted to start a girl band with them.

So he paid to record them. And they made this legendary outsider record. It's like the songs. There they are. Damn. It's amazing of amazing. I guess like Frank Zappa famously said it was like his favorite band or something. Shit, let's hear it. All the rich people want what the poor people got.

They all have these thick New England accents. And the skinny people want what the bad people's god and the bad people want what the shitty people's god holy fuck i mean it's kind of truly america folk music really it's like it's like compared to some of the blue stuff that you know dan and i listen to which is also self-taught like some of it kind of insane yeah it's very similar there's some weird there's this guy named sadel davis that dan used to listen to a lot he had polio and he like taught himself how to play guitar with a butter knife and i mean his fingers were all curled up so he'd stick a butter knife and he'd slide it up and down he just does he oh he had like one finger that he could pluck with do you have arthritis like heavy arthritis or something I don't know the polio oh yeah polio and he was trampled in a like a in a bar raid oh wow look

at this this is crazy let me hear this he's amazing well all right I see that would bounce That one bounced back in my head, see, like this. You know I ain't did no good Man should have drowned that atom bomb It's an old song that I put together back when I was 18 years old. Told you, told Hitler About Tokyo Rose You know I love that woman She about to put on a better doll I said I don't know

Baby, I just can't help you now That's wild. It's wild to see him play with that butter knife, too. He's got a record called The Horror of It All. So good. Ooh. It's like 20 years old riding around listening to that record. Damn. Damn.

I listen to Robert Johnson sometimes. Like every now and then I'll go and try to listen to the original recordings. And, you know, it's hard because you you got to kind of put yourself in the mindset of people that lived at that time it's kind of like listening to lenny bruce records like if you want to listen to lenny bruce it doesn't make too much sense today you got to kind of like pretend how to put yourself in the mindset of someone living in 1963 and you have to like figure out how like what was this like for them? This was groundbreaking. Yeah, we played a Lenny Bruce.

I think it was at an ACLU benefit celebrating Lenny Bruce 18 years ago. They gave us each a box set of his stuff. Yeah, it's amazing. But yeah, I don't think it translates super well. No, it doesn't because the the culture is everything he's saying is almost like so accepted yeah yeah he was like yeah it was he was just so far ahead of his time that when he was saying it back then it was just groundbreaking yeah but it's almost like that's the same thing about like Robert Johnson's music you'll

listen to the original recordings I mean they he was so revolutionary there's people that thought he sold his soul I mean that's like the famous myth of Robert Johnson is he sold his soul to the devil to be able to play like that yeah any got story also talk about fate though I mean he didn't have official recording session I mean it was like a guy in town who brought a like a field recording setup i mean so it's just fate that he walked in the door no one's got any any like photos really there's like four photographs three photos is the legend that robert lockwood jr is his son or grandson no i can't remember cousin or something some relation did he die wasn't he poisoned that's

what they say, yeah. Damn. They said he was crawling around on his hands and knees before he died, like a dog. Like a Russian politician. That's what they said. He was always arming poison. Fucking insane. That's a rough way to go. But think about if that guy had not been there in the building with the recorder, we never would have heard him.

Yeah. Think about how many other people like Robert Johnson were out there just playing. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. Just killing it in every city they went to. He was dressed to the nines everywhere he went, just dapper as hell. There's a, when we made this record,

it came out last year, called Delta Cream. And it's a blues album, and we just, it's all Mississippi Hill Country blues, which is a style blues that Dan and I have been into. And that's kind of what we first bonded over was this, there's this guy named R.L. Burnside. And when we first kind of realized that we both liked the same kind of music, it was kind of through this guy,

because I was listening to this band called John Spencer Blues Explosion and they made a record with this dude R.L. Burnside and Dan was listening to R.L. as well and all this other stuff that was on this label called Fat Possum that we ended up signing to years later. But we basically made a tribute to that music

that came out last year and part of the promo stuff was the only thing we could do during COVID was we drove down to Bentonia, Mississippi and we played a show at like the oldest continually operated, uh, juke joint called the blue front cafe. Wow.

It was amazing. Yeah. When was it established? Late forties. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. The guy who runs it, Jimmy Duck Holmes,

I did a record on him. He's a great musician, but his mom and dad opened it, and it was handed to him. Could you imagine going into a time machine and getting dropped off in 1940 and watching music in that place? I mean, that's sort of what it's like when you walk in. If you go there, you're stepping back in time. It's crazy.

And, like, that's where we played. Wow, you guys played there. We showed up at, like, noon, and there were multiple people who had their pants already pissed. Seriously. Just so drunk. Belligerent. And it was funny because I was like, what?

We don't even play until later. What's going to happen? And the people that were that drunk that early, they got so drunk that they got sober again somehow. They drank themselves through it. And then they were the ones. They were just completely coherent playing music at, like, midnight. It was amazing.

Wow. Yeah. But to think that those types of places were all over Mississippi, you know, like not too long ago. Now there are very few. And there's,'re very few I've been there's like a couple what I mean it seems like live music is something that people always loved though so if you establish a culture of live music in an area I wonder what makes that slip away like that music goes out of fashion

you know how was that possible it's it's the thing that it's the most like a drug of any form of entertainment This music can put you into oh, I don't mean in general I just mean that style and but I mean even that style I just I always get confused when things that are really awesome lose popularity in an area while generally being still Appreciated by anybody who hears them everywhere else. Like in the age of the internet. You would think you would start seeing more places. Because people are like, you've got to see live music.

It's fucking cool. And if you've never seen it, and you only get it on video, you're really only getting like 60% of it or 70%. Oh, it's life changing. Being there, there's an extra element, right? Music doesn't translate through a TV. I mean, I don't think so. Oh, yeah. Being there, there's an extra element, right? Oh, yeah. Music doesn't translate through a TV. I mean, I don't think so. It's different.

It does work, though. I mean, think of how many people will never see you guys live but still love you. So it does work. The music does go through. But there's something about live that's, like, transformative. It's like a drug. It's like if a musician is on stage and they're nailing it and in the crowd is all in like everybody's like synced in together you know and it's just you leave there you feel better you

literally feel like you just went through something like oh that was great absolutely spiritual saw link ray felt like that he he walked on stage he was in his 70s they had to help him put his guitar on. Damn. And then he just ripped the whole fucking place apart and everybody was going crazy, begging for an encore and he never came back. It was amazing. And that stuck with me forever. Nothing kind of quite can rip your face off

than being in the same room with a great band. I was on News Radio with Phil Hartman and when phil hartman was uh i think he was 19 he worked at uh the whiskey as like some sort of uh like a kid that was like helping them make sure that speakers didn't fall off like stagehand some type of deal and hendrix was there well so he's standing like this with a speaker is holding the speaker so that hendrix doesn't kick it over just got to make sure because it's kind of flimsy and hendrix is on stage wailing just like feet from amazing and and he would talk about that and feel like to get high and tell you stories like that and he was just so good at them. He would just drag you into that moment. He was like explaining what it was like.

He goes, I was 19. I'm looking up and Hendrix is right there. And he's Hendrix at his prime. He's like, it was the greatest expression of guitar maybe the world had ever seen. And he's there at this moment, just wow. It feels like kids just staring up, watching this. Of all the like like I rarely watch

like music on YouTube but when it you know when I do it's like someone like Hendrix and that stuff always blows my mind it blows your mind if he lived today Hartman also did a bunch of record covers didn't he do like Steely Dan Aja or something something like that I have one of his his records. He did what do you mean out there? He's record. He was an artist. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he was a graphic artist before he was like a sketch comedian He's so funny that that the the skit the Saturday Night Live skit the mr. Belvedere fan club yeah To this day, I like you I've referenced that quite a bit bit I actually met Colin Hanks by referencing that

anybody want any coffee? I'll have a little bit he was a super fucking talented guy did he do that? that's a big record wow that's crazy I never knew that no he was a super talented guy

he was actually before I have that album we framed it and put it on the wall that was another Phil Harmon artwork but he wanted to do stand-up he was talking about doing stand-up so cool he was warming up the crowd he would like do a little stand-up for the crowd when we're doing the show but anyway the point is like just imagine being there live that young and seeing Hendrix. And being in a position, how do you get feet away from him?

Well, you're literally holding on to a speaker. You're just right there. You can touch him. When we were first touring, we got befriended by some music journalists. That's kind of our little network that we would hang out with when we were on tour. It was like hipster writers who liked our band and uh this one guy jay babcock uh we stayed at his house when we were in la like 2000 early 2003 and uh he had a whole box of vhs concerts and stuff and he busted out this Black Sabbath live in

Paris 1970 and I mean to the I think it's the best concert footage I've ever seen and I don't they've never officially released the whole thing but it's the best concert I've ever wow and it's absolutely mind-blowing yeah there's a couple songs from it on YouTube but they haven't but he had the whole concert and it was like up for French TV and amazing but you can see

a young Ozzy just like really just with it and just stoic yeah headbanging not moving just banging his head

the drummer Bill Ward is going off Bill Ward is insane in this show and he keeps his extra drumsticks in his in his

belt loop in his jeans give me some of this Jamie And he keeps his extra drumsticks in his belt loop and his jeans. Give me some of this, Jamie. Damn. It's so good. Fuck. This is the kind of thing that just gives me a complex watching.

Thank you. Good evening from Black Sabbath. Thank you. Oh, my God. Damn. it would just give me a complex watching it because thank you good evening from black sabbath thank you oh my god damn ozzy's been through the ringer oh yeah all right now you when you realize what he was like at one point in time and you see what he's like oh if you fast forward three years they play a concert They play a concert at a Speedway in California, like 73. And you can see the drugs just already did their thing. That dude went hard.

So check it out. Fast forward to the Black Sabbath at the Speedway in 1973. He's wearing this crazy outfit, so on speed. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah. It's a three-year, three years later just gone but yeah those they had they made like six insane records in four or five years yeah the lifestyle was just too much oh man it was too much that well that was do you think that people really knew like the long-term effects of speed back then it seems like they didn't i don't know it seems like i don't think so it wasn't around before that i don't think they cared

well there wasn't hitler on speed yes you ever see the video no at the i think it was the 1936 olympics i forgot what year it is but it's before world war ii had officially kicked off he's got the the nazi outfit on and he's nodding back and forth and moving his hands like he could barely keep it together. See if you can find it. It's crazy to watch. He looks so cracked out. And this was a guy that started the fucking war. This is World War II from this fucking asshole.

Look at him. Isn't that wild? Look at him tweaking. He's tweaking so hard. He's like, I know he doesn't even need binoculars. Everybody else needs binoculars. I mean, that is crazy. When you look at him compared to everybody around him, that's just wild, man.

So fucked up. And what's crazy is World War II was almost an amphetamine-driven war from kamikaze pilots. That was the thing that they had given them, wasn't is that a myth that's not that's not a myth There's a kamikaze pilots and meth. I think it's real right didn't we look that up once They'd mess them up and get him to fucking slam their planes into boats That was like the early days of speed though when those guys were doing it I don't know if everybody knew

Like how bad that was going to wreck you It's responsible for a lot of terrible music That's for sure It really is There it is For workers, soldiers, taking methamphetamine was a patriotic duty That hooked a generation So they made the fucking country take meth

Holy fuck Holy fuck. Holy fuck. I did not know that. That's insane. This is fucking wild. They made the whole fucking country do it for their patriotic duty. Wow. The result of the state promoting it during the war.

And that is fucking crazy. Yeah, man. Well, they figured out when you're messed up, you're not thinking straight. And this is the best way to control a population. I never really fucked with that kind of stuff. But one time I was partying in New York. This was probably 10 years ago. And a friend of mine was like, it was like 4 in the morning. This is probably 10 years ago and a friend of mine was like this is like 4 in the morning and

We were on tour and someone was like you should take to have some of this adderall And what I said sure they put some of my drink I was up till 5 like p.m. The next day watching the news just so focused like I was like That wait, that's you can get a prescription for that drug? A lot of people are on it. I mean, dude, I'm really sensitive to that stuff. I was like, I felt crazy.

I was at LaGuardia nodding off. I looked like a junkie. I was like, this is crazy. It took me from being totally at a place where I should have been going to bed to up for a whole other basically day. How much does it wreck you after it's over, though? I mean, I don't know. I think I'm just so sensitive to it that the next day I slept the whole night

and I was like, I'll never touch that stuff again. And you were on a low dose? Is it a normal dose? Do you know? I think I took 30 milligrams. What's a normal one? Do you know? I think some people take that every day.

Jesus. Oh, yeah. How much of the way you see online fighting and bickering and just the chaos of right versus left is driven by that? I think a lot. I bet a lot. Yeah. I bet a lot. I bet there's a lot of people that are medicated out there.

I bet we'd all be shocked. You know, that's yeah the whole fighting online it's like yeah i start we really uh you know our as when we put a new song up i i'll like look to see you know like comments on youtube of course you know i'll shave off like the worst five percent and the best five percent but still you can't help but be rattled by just like like just what drives someone to just be a complete dickhead

for no reason online there's plenty of them oh my god it's like what the internet has become is just like

and like Twitter is the worst I stopped enjoying it like a decade ago I accidentally got into like

a Twitter spat with Justin Bieber Lady Gaga's fans oh that's right I remember that it was like a Twitter spat with Justin Bieber Lady Gaga so that's right I remember that it was like I was like this is funny this is funny and then and then I realized like oh this is this isn't this isn't this isn't fun honestly it's like too much negativity yeah so many people that's that's where they dwell most of the time and it can trap you and you can think that it's your duty to engage in this

you know that you're writing you're doing activism or something just being shitty to people there's so many people just being shitty to people in that form in a way that you would like never want to be in real life you'd have to be a terrible person to just say to a person that you don't even know some of the things that people will type out on twitter right yeah i mean it's not even that it's also the total opposite the fake niceness sure saying how great everything is you know praising everyone for all this like yeah ordinary shit do you know what i mean yeah there's a lot of that too there's a lot of like weirdness weirdness where people will find these little tribes of people that think very similar to them and there's a lot of that, too. There's a lot of, like, weirdness where people will find these little tribes of people that think very similar to them. I mean, we were talking earlier.

I've got a 14-year-old girl, and I worry so much about her with social media and how just what she thinks of everyday normal life. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's rough on kids. They've shown, you know, Jonathan Haidt has a great book about it called The Coddling of the American Mind. They show the uptick in girl self-harm, suicide self-harm that's directly connected to social media. Correlated, at least, because it's all the same time frame. It's like right around the time the iPhone comes out, right around the time when people had Internet access on their phone. And then they started using apps

whenever that was and you know what is like online dating like for people either when you're just swiping right and swiping left to meet people tell me that can't get addictive that must be addictive right i don't know yesterday i had a friend who sent a dick pic to somebody he met on tinder and then they tried to get 15 grand off of them. That seems like a bargain. That's so stupid. That's hilarious. It's like, you know, I wouldn't want to be a kid today.

But I guess everyone's always said that. That's the thing, too. It's like if you went back to like the 1930s, you're probably like, oh, I wouldn't want to be a kid today with all the cars back when I was a boy. You know, it's been our thought always. We've always looked, you know, at the next generation coming up thinking, oh boy, I wouldn't want to be you today. I had it easier.

When we were making this album, it was like the first time I'd really socialized outside my house in a year because we were pretty, you know. Locked down. Locked down. So we were pretty you know locked down locked down so we were it was a lot of fun we go to dance studio and just like shoot the shit and um you know tell stories because we went to the same high school and there are a lot of stories a lot just

insane stories from high school how fun it was how crazy but we were kind of like the last generation or close to it you know pre-cell phone pre-social media you know i mean we used to see like the girls at our school the black girls specifically would get into these fights that were just so epic that i mean it would just it was rattling i saw this girl get thrown through the trophy case. Oh, shit. And that kind of stuff would happen like every day. All the time. Jesus. It was just insane. And I think about my stepdaughter who goes to a really fancy private school in Nashville.

And yeah, she's never seen a fight. I say the same thing to my daughter. I'm like, were there any fights today? She's like, what are you talking about? Nobody fights in our school. Isn't that weird, though, that we can look back as long as we survive those experiences you look back at them like there's something kind of cool about it like flavors your life but you don't want your kids to be exposed to that right we made we made a video for our for our first single off this record called wild child and

we the whole concept was that we were just like gonna try to like uh work in some things that happened to us in high school but kind of put it through the you know the concept like of high school today what like what what kids can get into the trouble the kids can get into but we were talking about like our high school uh a lot and um we had this health teacher who smoked a pipe while we ran the track he's like the football coach the way that he taught sex ed which is like he didn't go into any detail about anything but he grabbed a stack of photographs of venereal diseases he's like here we go for nearly he's like genital warts oh hell no he

passed around not even to touch it with you this is what probably the most effective health class of you know it's scared us straight man it was insane. That sounds like a great strategy. Show people. Can they still do that or no? I don't know. It worked for me. I think you'd probably get in trouble for showing infected generals in class. Maybe only if it's, especially if it's your infected general.

If it's yours, yeah. This is back in 85. That's called crabs, kids. Look how red my balls are. Yeah, you can't do any of that. You can't show them pictures and stuff. But it would work, especially for boys. Really, you can't show pictures anymore? I don't think so.

I mean, I don't know what you can show. I'm just guessing but I'm saying if you did show that like if you showed genitals that were infected by venereal diseases for sure you getting fired I would imagine you're not allowed to show a rotten dick and classes filled with kids maybe maybe if you say, oh hell no, when you pass it around. Yeah, you just let them know, this is not good, I'm not promoting this. This is scared straight for penises.

Fuck, man. We had this student counselor, high school counselor, his name was Mr. Bennett. And he sat like, or he had an assistant this chick named abby sat next to me in like math class when we were seniors and he would like he'd walk in and he was you know very feminine but he had a family but here's something just so weird about this dude and uh like every day i would say to abby after he would come in every day to see her and then leave i was like man there's something like mr bennett like i think he might like play with some of the boys

in school and she was like yourself and i was just bullshitting you know but then like the next year it came out like he went to prison he was literally fucking a student a boy you know in our school and like i've i've been like, ever since, I never ran into Abby ever again, but I just wanna let her know that it wasn't a cry for help from me. I just was guessing. We had a soccer coach, he used to like,

he would ask all the boys at the end of the season to donate their shoes so that he could give them to less fortunate people. And he was just jerking off in the shoes. And they found them all in his closet before he went to prison. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Holy shit. Oh, my God.

Yeah. That's the problem with any job where you get to work with kids. that's the problem with any job where you get to work with kids. Like, are you working with kids because you love them and you want to educate them and you feel great satisfaction out of that? That's mostly, mostly. But are you working with kids because you're sexually attracted to them? That's some. That's what's scary.

What's scary is a tiny percentage of people that are just fucking freaks. Yeah. And, you know, they'll bang a kid at school. Like, that's just a small percentage. It boggles my mind. It's a broken part of human life that exists. There's something about the human brain that that does that it's like the most forbidden thing there's something evil about it in in a way like it's like it's like like terrible programming

you know the the fact that a person could ever do that and the fact that it happens often from people who had been molested themselves that's the scary thing It's not like a sickness that infects someone. Well, yeah. Insane. That's nuts. Mm-mm. I'm just thinking about all this, the wildness of today and all the, like the strange, it seems like more now than ever, I don't know what the fuck the future holds for like the human race. Like more now than ever, I don't know what the fuck the future holds

for the human race. More now than ever, look at all this crazy shit that's going on with Russia. I start thinking, I don't know if we're going to make it through this. Why am I so cocky? Why am I thinking every day everything's going to be fine? This might not be fine.

This is one of those it might not be fine moments. Yeah. Watching all that stuff go down. and watching just everything in our country just everything is so fucking polarized and correct like why are we fighting so much is this necessary i i when i think about like everything that's been going on the last couple years i for some reason this image keeps coming up and it's it's it takes place when we were on tour and I find it to be like the most comforting thing for some reason but it was like after a show in Houston there's these two like chicks that you know came

to show or hanging out and they wanted it they want to hang out with us after the show so we went down to their car and all they wanted to do with us was a bunch of whippets and we went to their car do you remember this and a whole backseat car was just filled up with with whippets and my brother was there and Dan was there and just sat there and did whippets with them and I was just this is that's what like that's something I missed those days that was it that's the whole story just like I worked at a Newport creamery and people got fired

for doing whippets it was an ice cream place in Massachusetts dudes who worked there would do whippets it's so innocent though these girls just they just wanted

to build doubled this month yeah I've never did whippets or if I do I don't remember I don't think

I got high off of it I don't think I got high off of it. I don't think I did it right. Maybe I tried a little bit, but the guys who did it swore by it. They would do it all the time. Because they had those fucking big-ass jugs, because we would make the cream back there. So they had these big-ass jugs of the juice, and they would get back there.

My friend's dad was a dentist, and they used mean they're he's about 10 years older than me so this is years ago but they would they would sneak into his office and just turn the nitrous machines on sit down in the chairs and chill out wow it seems dangerous dad seems insane it seems i would yeah that's gen x for it that's like that's we're like the tail end of Gen X, but deep Gen X, there's a whole different level of fucking with shit like that. You feel like you could find someone dead from that. Yeah. Well, we live in a time where you can get ketamine drips.

You can get therapeutic ketamine drips. I know a dude who was working with me who got into that and had a complete meltdown. Just basically ran away from me, from moved to a different city i can't speak to it because i haven't done it but i know uh friends that have done it for depression like my friend neil did it for depression neil brennan and he's a dude he goes i go into this fucking office he goes they rig me up with this thing i think oh it's probably you know it's going to be like a weird sort of sedative state. He goes, no, I'm full on tripping balls.

You're just psychedelic tripping in a doctor's office. Dude. And you can get it all over the place. I asked my friend, I was like, so what happens when you take it? He's like, well, it's weird. I have the same experience every time I've taken it. I was like, oh yeah, what's that? He's like, yeah, the last 24 hours play back in fast speed,

but in order. I replayed the last 24 hours. I was like, fuck that. Fuck that. Dude, that's a sign that you shouldn't be doing that. Fuck that. What the fuck is that? Oh, my God.

I don't know, dude. Dumbest TiVo ever. I knew a guy who died from it. A guy was using it recreationally. A guy was a kickboxer. Died from Special K? Yeah, he was doing it too much, and he died. He was addicted to it.

He wanted to do it all the time. I've never even heard of that. Yeah, apparently with some people, they get addicted. He went into a treatment place out in Thousand Oaks. Another friend of mine put him in there and I remember thinking, man, that's the stuff

that John Lilly used to take when he was in the isolation tank. He used to intramuscularly, yeah, he used to shoot himself up with ketamine. He'd get in the tank, bang,

hit his thigh with a fucking needle and pump it full of ketamine, you know, open the door, throw the needle out and just go into another dimension like in the tank. And now you can just get that in a drip you just go to a place now like what

are you depressed dan have a seat i gotta fuck i'm gonna bring you to another dimension we know three people who we've worked with over the years who all have had all did the same thing they all took lsd every day for a year These are independent of each other, these people. And there's three of the smartest people that we know. But I feel like it's almost, you know, if you can get through that. Also, one guy in particular, he would take it before he went to bed.

He taught himself how to sleep on acid. Oh, my God. That's insane. Yeah. That's insane. I. That's insane. I bet it's like, remember in the old days when people had computers and they would overclock their computers? Do you remember those days? No.

What is that? Jamie, you know what I'm talking about, the early days of gaming computers. Some still do it. Yeah. I'm sure they do. But in the early days when people started making computers for gaming, you would change the speed of the computer and overclock it past its specifications. And you could do it with some, but some would burn out and break.

Some of them though would make it better. I think that's the way brains work. I think if some people do acid, it just, bang. And then you got broken pistons and fucking smoke coming out of the pipes some people can maintain high rpms on that shit and it actually like like just like making a computer more functional or have more power more juice i think it does it to people too but i just don't think most people can maintain it. Dude, I think the amount of... And once you go too far, you can't go back. Most people know someone who's gone to the dark lands.

I went to school with a girl whose dad had taken too much acid. And we used to go to this pool in the summertime, and I saw him one time, and he was in front of the... It's like a public pool, you know? And in front of the pool, he was selling tie-dye T-shirts. Oh, my God. He was so fried, man. I think also it fast-tracks like schizophrenia if you have it. You can jump to the front of the line there.

There's a book about that that Alex Berenson wrote about edible weed. Weed in general, but I think edible weed is the one that really does people in. There's something about it that for some people, for people that have a tendency toward schizophrenics, it seems to indicate that it might

trigger that. Oh, I had a girlfriend whose brother smoked some weed laced with something, I guess. I don't know what it was, but I had to go pick him up from college, and he came back. It was like he thought the TV was, you know, talking to him.

Oh, Jesus. It was terrifying. And, like, three or four days later it kind of mellowed out, but I was like, hey, hey, hey. Man. Oh, guys have gone. I mean, the guy from Pink Floyd. Sid Barrett?

Yeah. Right? That was a LSD thing too, right? Oh, yeah. I think we grew up around a lot of burnouts, really. Even the Unabomber. The Unabomber was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. Ted Kaczynski.

Yeah. Fucking insane, man. Yeah, they ran Studies on that dude With acid Back in the day When they would just Try shit on people Yeah

You guys ever heard of Operation Midnight Climax Is that the dude that Jumped out of his window Or something No it was The CIA Had an LSD program

That they would do In brothels Oh yeah So they would do in brothels. Oh, yeah. So they would dose up these johns. They'd come in and talk to the ladies, and the ladies would give them a drink, and they would drink it, and they'd be tripping balls on acid,

and they'd film them and ask them questions and shit. Just get all kinds of dirt, yeah. Just watch them have sex and freak out. Oh, my God. You know, not even knowing you're on acid. Oh my God, man. I met this,

I met this chick who was in the, she was in the CIA for a while and she was telling me about it. Uh, her job was, she, she was like partnered up with a guy who they, she ended up, I guess maybe being romantic with,

but they both were agents and they, they were sent to China to start an art gallery. And they were basically hanging out with the artists and the subculture, and then selling that work to the successful business guys and politicians. I guess she was able to talk about it because they let her out of the thing.

But yeah, I'd always wanted to be in the CIA. That window thing is Operation Midnight Climax. What is the different one? It's the same thing. He jumped out of a window. They scared this guy to the point where he killed himself. Oh, so the guy, one of the Johns jumped out of a window? And they believe it's the same program. He had young kids. Oh, so the guy, one of the Johns jumped out of a window? And they bullied him. Yeah, it's the same program.

Yeah, young kids. Oh, God. Yeah. They did, you know, they also ran the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic where Marilyn Manson, or not Marilyn Manson,

Charles Manson, excuse me, was getting all his acid. It was all from the same program. It's this guy Jolly West in the CIA. It's wild shit

was going on back then. Yeah. What are they up to now? With the CIA? What do I don't know where they at now they probably run tick-tock they're giving ketamine trips dude the last time we were on here like three days later I ran into um we were playing our first arena show in years at the Pepsi Center denver i reached out to you after this but i was like sitting backstage and our production manager came back he said hey man uh tom delong's here he wants to meet you and i was like really i never met tom and he's like sure yeah please send him back and tom's cool as hell i never met him but man he freaked the out of me right before

i went on stage in front of like 15 000 people he was like yeah ufo for an hour he was like ufos are real they're watching everything we're doing you know there's a lot of going on and dude for an hour i was just like what the and i got so paranoid then i went out like i went out after the show that night to this bar and i like met these ex-military guys. Like, hey, we own this bar here. You should come hang out. So I followed them to this bar, and they're like, oh, yeah, there's some girls that might stop by.

I was like, okay, yeah, they're Russian. They're strippers. And I was like, what the fuck? They don't give visas to Russian strippers. And then all they did is sat there and asked me how i felt about vladimir putin for like an hour why straight up and i was like what are you what are you doing to me what the fuck are you asking me but i was like and i was like these are all military i like i get me the fuck out of here it was insane so that yeah i thought i don, man. It got me so bugged out.

But a part of it probably was the fact that Tom DeLonge was telling me that, like, he told me that, he was like, do you remember the blackout that happened in 2003 in New York? Which I remember because we were traveling in from Europe and we landed at Newark right around then, and our flight got all delayed, and we ended up renting a car. But the power outage, it happened. They say it happened in Akron, where we're from. They say some dumbass, like Homer Simpson type, just hit the wrong button. He was like, oh, no. It was actually the government shot down a UFO that day with an electromagnetic pulse.

Yeah, I had Tom on my podcast, and he's a really nice guy. So nice. Really nice guy and very talented musician. But I think he is a believer. And I don't say that in a negative way. It's a state of mind. A state of mind where you are a believer first. Like you believe in UFOs.

You want to believe in UFOs. And then it takes on a religious quality. And it can happen with almost anything. It can happen even with atheism. It can happen with anything. People just decide that you don't want to ever question any aspect of it. You just want to only look at it like UFOs are fucking real, man. So he showed us some videos, and I was laughing.

I'm like, dude, this is the fakest looking shit I've ever seen in my life. I think there's no doubt that there's probably, honestly, there's no doubt. We might be the only life out there. That's a possibility because we don't know for sure there's other life out there. But we might not be. And more likely than not, we're not. More likely than not, there's a fucking infinite number of civilizations out there more likely have they gotten here? Fuck man, maybe if they were really good if they knew how to get here. Do you don't you think they'd be able to hide?

I mean we have fucking radar jammers on front license plates to try to stop cops from you know Hitting you with the speeding gun you don't think they're smart enough to do avoid detection So maybe they have been here, but there's also a lot of fucking crazy people and there's a lot of crazy people that are believers they're just fucking stone-cold believers whether it's in book foot or UFOs it's not hard to start believing that you know and in a conspiracy you know I mean it's not at all it's easy to very easy and you know whatever it may be. It's just when it goes fully deep into it.

Yes. It's where it can get a little freaky. I mean, you know. I think most likely. When I was a teenager, my friends and I used to go to this little video rental store. And they had a section on, you know, it was all conspiracy videos. The guy that owned it must have been into it, but they had, like, you know, videos on the Illuminati

and we would rent these things and, like, you know. Those are the best. Which place is this? It was over by, it was behind Farrell and Bull. I forget the name of the rental place. Those things were great before the internet. But, dude, we got... The video stores?

Well, I mean, those conspiracy movies. Before you could research where they're not doing bullshit remember Faces of Death oh yeah but the thing about those conspiracies that are like

oh yeah there's like you know Hillary Clinton's like you know lizard yeah lizard people you can see George Bush's gills open up whatever I mean I will say this though

like we have been in some we've we've we've definitely been in situations where it's like oh why why are all these people hanging out with each other? It's like every rich and famous person hangs out on vacation here together. And St. Bart's on New Year's Eve, it's like, if you ever wanted to take over the world, you just need to take over St. Bart's on New Year's Eve.

You'd have full control of the world. Straight up. Every yacht's there. We played a show there for larry gagosian and roman abramovich years ago and it was really like cool like private little beach party and you know like a bunch of celebrities were there like chris rock and it was like you know rick rubin whatever but then at the same time like we're flying in and we land and they're like oh yeah they're gonna take you take a boat from saint. Martin's over to St. Bart's.

And so I get on this boat, and it's like, this thing's flying. It's going like 80 miles an hour. And I was like, what the fuck? This boat, this is Roman Abramovich's yacht? He's like, no, man, this is Roman's boat that goes inside of his yacht. And I was like, what the fuck? And he's like, yeah, there's two of these boats go inside his boat.

And they had forward-looking infrared. You could see, it looked like daylight, and it was flying. Holy shit. And I was like, what the fuck? And then I was like, how often does he have to refuel that boat? He's like, the pilot, the ship guy,

whatever you call it, skipper. He was like, that boat? Every two years you need to take that thing to, and I was like, what the fuck? Two years? Is that like a nuclear reactor or not? It just looked at me like I was an idiot. I still don't know, but I was like, fuck, man.

I was like, that's like, it could be a really good Adam Sandler vehicle. Like airheads, but instead of taking over a radio station, they take over the world by, I don't know. The band goes and plays St. Bart's and then just like, I don't know, takes over the world. It'd be good to do it at this time when the Russian oligarchs are all getting their yachts

stolen from them. Yeah. You gotta wonder why everybody wants that yacht. All those rich guys want the fucking yacht. The big huge yacht, David Gaffin. Yeah, they have their own little town. What powers these yachts? All those rich guys want the fucking yacht the big huge yacht David Gaffin Town what powers these? Ultimate baller thing isn't it those guys I think dude I

They're arms straight up. They're armed. Oh, yeah, so those things are like military vehicles I know I heard that Romans had some fucking weapons on it. They fuck you Jesus Christ Torpedoes. So they're driving around an armored city. Torpedoes. Dude, yes. So do you. Dude, surface to air missiles. Jesus Christ.

Straight up, dude. In their yachts? Fuck yeah, dude. Wow. Because didn't one of them have a submarine? Of course, dude. What the fuck's going on? What?

Look at that thing. Two helipads, two swimming pools, bulletproof windows. Dude, you can't just tell me these guys all just loved G.I. Joe a lot or something. It's $1.6 billion. There's a mini submarine with, does it say internal boarding? What does that mean? That's crazy. It's got a fucking submarine.

Holy moly. Yeah, $1.6 billion. So you see something like that, you can't help it. It's some sort of conspiracy, right? Yeah, hey, bro, where'd you get the money? Like, you're balling out of control, fella. And so that's the weird thing. It's like they're taking everybody's stuff,

but do they have to find out how they made their money? Are they asking for an or it's just like are you russian are you rich well then i'm just weird it's very odd i don't know yeah it took it's kind of weird like part of me is like yeah fuck those guys and part of me is like wait what's happening like what are they doing with those yachts? are they going to just take them? the government has them now are they going to sell them? dude I don't know who's going to buy them?

who's going to buy the Russian yachts? probably hooked up to remote control you know? do you remember when Katrina hit and then there was a little news story I didn't really see much about it but all these navy trainedtrained dolphins escaped. Do you remember that?

I do remember that. I do remember that rumor, but I don't remember researching it. Don't we need to know more about that? Someone just mentioned that? Like, what kind of dolphins are out there? What did they train them for? Well, they definitely trained them to blow up submarines. They did.

Yeah, they trained them to be essentially suicide bombers. In a global war on terror, the Navy reportedly began training dolphins to shoot potential terrorists targeting Navy ships. But a special investigator claimed that after Hurricane Katrina, a few of those deadly dolphin guards escaped, and the Navy has been looking for them ever since. So they got dolphin dolphin arm dolphin assassins What a South Park episode what does it say roaming the seas with toxic? What is this thing that says they're right underneath there Jeremy was it say toxic? Toxic what? Toxic

Christ they've got poison dart guns that they can shoot. Holy shit. Look how they're rigged. They're rigged up. That is fucking insane. That is fucking insane. They're last seen headed towards St. Bart's. Dude, that is so crazy.

We armed dolphins and taught them to fuck things up. Dude, and they like to fuck, I think. They like to fuck, and they also, unfortunately, engage in infanticide. They kill the babies. That's why female dolphins try to have sex with as many males as possible. Because when the female gets pregnant

and she gives birth, the baby has to be with her for many years. She has to take care of it. And she won't breed with other males. So males will try to kill her babies, try to get her to breed again. So if she has sex with a bunch of males, they're like, oh, those could be my kids, and he doesn't do it.

Damn. Dolphins are ruthless. Flipper, what the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck, dolphins? Dude, I was thinking about, like, I have a conspiracy theory, too, about cats. My wife's, like, obsessed with cats, and so is my stepdaughter.

And I was talking to a buddy of ours and he's like, oh yeah, cats, man. You know, they got this toxoplasmosis. I heard you talking about it a couple weeks ago in here. And I was like, yeah. He's like, dude. And he was like floating this idea that like, you know, it's a bacteria. It enters your brain but it causes, you know, like rats to want to go up to, you know it's a bacteria that it enters your brain but it causes you know like rats to want to go up to you know they feel safe around cats they want to engage with the cat but i was like they actually

get excited i started thinking dude like what if cats actually domesticated people like like like cats actually when people like make statues to the cats. I don't know, man. Animals are fucking amazing. I do kind of think a cat, they're cute and cuddly, but the people I know that are cat lovers, dude, it's so deep, it's so intense that they get offended when you even float that idea. I lived with a cat in my house now for years. I years I see it try not to trip on it but like I

don't I would bet that that toxoplasmosis the same way tricks a rat and then wires rats body it probably in some ways does exist in a way that we the cat sort of domesticate us yeah that's that's what I'm saying. Probably right. In some weird way, it's like symbiotic at least. They're all connected together. They kill the mice around my house. Yeah. It's all cool.

But I don't touch the litter box. But they give that cat shit, and that cat shit has that toxo in it. If you get it, you have it. That's it. Oh, man. I don't think they can cure that either. I mean, think about the stories. My stepdad bought a house before I met my mother,

and the woman was living in there by herself with 50 cats. Oh, Jesus. Cat piss all over the place. Everyone was fine. She was fine with that. Jesus. Dude, that's not normal. Yeah.

It's a toxo. But it's common. Dude, yeah. It's very common. Imagine if tigers were really smart. How fucked would we be? They're really smart, like dolphin smart. That's one thing that we're really lucky about.

The things that like to kill shit other than humans, they're not that smart. They've got good instincts, but if they could change their environment and be that big we'd be fucked cats are a weird animal i bought a house uh near charleston a couple years ago and um it's weird living in a place where there's like alligators oh jesus and i started golfing recently and uh it's very unnerving to you know yeah. Yeah. Not, you know, I'm an Ohio kid. I'm sitting there and like look over and like, holy shit, there's like a 10-foot fucking alligator right here near my golf ball.

Fucking insane. But yeah, I'm still not comfortable, you know, obviously being around a huge alligator like that. You shouldn't be. Yeah. being around a huge alligator like that. You shouldn't be. Yeah, but I rented this house in Kiowa Island right when I was moving to, buying this house in Charleston.

Kiowa's like a golf kind of wonderland right south of Charleston. There's like 10 golf courses and some luxury homes. I rented this place. And I was like, oh man, there's alligators everywhere i should like look up like when was the last alligator like attack you know and like oh some woman was killed

this is like may of 2020 like someone was killed in kiowa and i was like two weeks earlier i think wonder where that happened dude it happened like 150 feet from the front door of this house i rented this woman was taking a selfie she went to go take a selfie uh with a alligator and like she apparently like took it and walked away she's like that's the last time i'll do that because it like snapped at her and it like apparently went up and oh jesus christ yeah yeah they can they don't a lot but they can they certainly can eat you they've eaten people all the time it's just a weird thing that people are too comfortable around them i don't understand it like they get real close to them and take pictures dude it's like what just because it's not moving doesn't mean it can't move we had family in san augustine florida

we go there every summer and they've got the alligator farm there it's so awesome it would just scare the out of me getting that close to alligators man. Hold it at that dinosaur I lived in Gainesville, Florida for three years and Back then we throw marshmallows into the lake and they would eat the marshmallows Then eventually they decided that was bad for the alligator. So they asked people to not do it. They all got diabetes that was bad for the alligators, so they asked people to not do it. They all got diabetes. I mean, I guess it probably isn't good for them,

but just to see it, like how weird it was. I'm like, these things aren't even fenced in. This is just a lake. I mean, it wasn't like some sort of organized park, and this is, oh, they've all got, they're taking care of these alligators. No, these are wild alligators just hanging out. There's this amusement park in Ohio called Cedar Point

and there's like a carp infestation in Lake Erie. You would go up there and they'd have like, you could buy fish food and throw it in, but we all realized that you just spit, you just spit in the water and they'd jump up, eat either spit. But I thought it was really fucking scary that this fish, so just weren't ready to eat anything.

But yeah, the alligator thing, man. And they're nothing compared to crocodiles. No. One of the things they found in the Everglades is Nile crocodiles, and they're really worried that there's a breeding population. They don't think there is, but they've definitely found a couple Nile crocodiles.

Those are the big ones. They eat zebras and shit. Oh my God. They're hyper aggressive. That's a totally different thing. And assholes just let them loose in Florida. Dude, there was like a bunch of like boa constrictors and pythons. Pythons?

Yeah. They've decimated the Everglades. There's almost 90 something percent of the mammals that used to live there are gone like in terms of like their numbers like 90 down deer 90 down raccoons like everyone's getting fucked there's they're so big and they're everywhere they find like 19 foot long ones oh they used to be people's pets they just let them go and there's so many of them on a meth there to so much bad combination. That's yeah giant giant snakes jungle snakes that eat everything and meth

Yeah, fuck They even eat the alligators down there they find alligators inside their stomachs, it's crazy This video of a meat alligators, they'll delete anything pythons are like the ultimate demon man I'm just so miss fucking freaked out. This is one this guy caught the size of this fucking thing He says I caught the day I caught the biggest snake of my life In the Florida Evergates look at the size of that thing. Holy well. I mean, first of all, that guy's got balls. And what a grip he must have. Where's the rest of it?

The rest of it, I don't know. Dude, people who love snakes love snakes. Look at the size of it. Like cat lovers. Maybe there's like snake plasmosis. Fuck, look how big that thing is. Oh my God. And these things eat like a whole deer.

They'll eat a whole deer. Look at that thing. So he threw it into a pit. I'm going down there. Oh, my God. This guy's crazy. They just said there's killer bees in there, too. Oh, my God.

Why not piranhas? It should be everything. Oh, he just grabs it by its tail. Fuck. This guy's insane. You are fucking insane. Are you out of your fucking mind? What is he in? What is that?

It's like a pit with a snake. That's like how he retrieves the snake. He has to go into the pit where they've captured this snake and where they're holding it up. They built the pit just to catch the snake or is that like a I don't know. It looks like it. It's like a billionaire escape pod. Is that where a snake just was?

Is that like a drainage thing? Or is it where they store the snake? Yeah. Well, his name is Iguana Man. I think he was brought out to get that somewhere. So look at this. He gets it all the way to the end and then just fucking snatches it by the head. This guy's a savage.

He's got a UFC shirt on. Of course he does. Probably does jujitsu. Jesus. Look how he grabbed that snake. He's just holding it like, bitch, you're mine. Oh, yeah, look, he's got a table on the table. Holy fuck.

That's twice as long almost. Look at that one. That's goddamn insane that something that size is just swimming around in Florida. And there's a shit ton of them. Fucking hell, man. When I lived in this house that was rat infested, God damn it, man. we would poison the rats,

and then they would get loopy and come out and start walking around with blood coming from their mouth. Oh, Jesus Christ. I would just go to my room and hide in my room. Usually, Dan would be the one to pick them up. Remember that time you picked up the rat that was like, I mean, he picked it up in a newspaper in the nose and the tail. I mean, that thing was like.

It was like a taco. It was like three feet long. It was so huge, two and a half feet long. You ever see how small the holes are that they can get through? Oh, my God, man. That's what's weird. They can compress their body and get into these really tight areas. That's how they can travel through pipes and shit.

Like, they really do pop up out of people's toilets sometimes. I mean, that's not a fake thing, I don't think. I think that's actually happened. God, I hope that's happened. Has that happened? Let's find out. What do you think? My mom used to always tell us about that's happened has that happened let's find out what do you think my mom used to always tell us about that yeah a rat's gonna pop by that was always the big myth is it real oh my god there's a rat a rat could really wriggle up your toilet

i always wear a cup when i sit down in the toilet stop rats from getting into your toilet make sure that you leave no food or attractants in the drain. Make sure all entry points and drains are sealed. And consider placing a drain valve on drains to stop rats from entering the home and thereby getting in the toilet. So that's real. Rats in your fucking toilet. You imagine, middle of the, got to take a shit.

I can imagine it. I spent the night. My dad had this friend that lived in D.C. We used to go visit him for spring break and shit. And he had a hot tub and a rec room on the basement floor. And my brother and I were spending the night there. I was 16 or something like that. And I woke up and I felt something move and i thought

his dog was like with my pillow and i i got up and the dog wasn't there and the pillow started moving across the floor and i was like what the and i lifted up the pillow and there was a giant rat i was so scared jesus we were you know ran upstairs and never went back in that room but uh he found that rat like dead actually inside he had a drum set down there it curled up in the kick drum and kicked the bucket Jesus that's how was they get poisoned they get like loopy they start walking towards you they also get out and they kill owls that way. Because the people that poison the rats, the rats go out and the owls kill them,

and then the owls get sick and die. Yeah, I don't use the poison, I just use the cats now around my house, but my house in Nashville too, there's so many owls. I feel like I never saw an owl as a kid. I see like, I see an owl every day. They are one of the weirdest represented animals, the way we represent them,

as this wise creature in the woods that would answer questions and have solutions to puzzles. Well, what they really are is a ruthless fucking killer that flies at night and snatches other birds right out of their nest. It's surreal when they fly over you

because you can't hear them. Yeah. If you see one during the day and you make eye contact with them, they look like they're not expecting to be caught. Do you know that story, The Staircase? No. Do you know the story?

It was about like a man was accused and sent to jail for killing his wife, but she had talon marks on her head and now they think that she got hit by an owl outside the house because there was blood her own blood on the stairs and like leading up into the house and then she fell down a flight of stairs and the thought was initially that this guy had did it to his wife But now the new theory is that a fucking owl hit her because they found microscopic owl feathers in her hair and They think it like that's consistent with the kind of injury that she would have had and that she had lost some blood and

Came in the house like all fucked up and fell down a flight of stairs He's fucked if that's all his defense came up with but i think they actually found the cut no i think owls do do that to people i think owls get like other birds will whack you in the fucking head you know yeah they're freaky they've woken me they've woken me up in the middle of night making noise hunting hearing in my yard if you're annoying and they're... They're humongous. Yeah. Their fucking heads are beautiful too, aren't they? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they're, dude, like I said, I feel like I never saw one, but now I live just right outside of the city, just right near this big park, and dude, I see the big ass owls. What are they, great? Horned or something, I think.

Fucking massive. They're beautiful. Like this big. Yeah. Fucking hell, man. When you see one clearly, like the big ass owls one of the great horned something fucking massive beautiful like this big yeah fucking hell man when you see one clearly it's like whoa it's almost like

you shouldn't I shouldn't even be looking at you how am I looking at you you're supposed to be hiding bro when I turn her head creepy

fucking insane there's a great video have you ever seen the night vision video of hawk nest there's these hawks in a nest and the night vision video of a hawk nest this is Hawks in the nest and you see this owl come out of the distance and just snatch one of the Hawks right out of the nest can you get that it's yeah it's one of my favorite nature videos cuz you know it took I don't remember

when I realized that birds kill other birds but it was post internet I never remember being taught that in school watch this i didn't know they eat each other watch this boom snatch gotcha i mean the kind of force that it takes to do that if someone hit you in the head like that and you were uh what kind of coming back from your i think that's a hawk yeah that's gonna say it's not like a pigeon or something it's not it's a fairly good sized animal and this this bird just fucks him up my stepdaughter swings away with him god damn it's like my stepdaughter she knows she's like a bird fanatic so it's cool because we're like going for a walk or something she'll know like you know she could tell a fog like if it's a falcon because it's some sort of weird tail.

But it's kind of crazy the amount of species of birds that live in Nashville. Also, Charleston's famous for it because Audubon lived there. That's why, what's that elusive? It's extinct, the ivory-billed woodpecker. What is it? Ivory-billed woodpecker what is it ivory billed wood what is it there's a there's a woodpecker that no one's seen since the 30s that people are always trying to say that it's this big fucking woodpecker yeah oh look at that thing uh so there's this place south of charleston called the ace basin it's this where three rivers connect and it's uh like hundreds of thousands of

wetland is protected. There's so many bird species down there, but I guess occasionally someone will say that they've seen this thing, but it hasn't been seen since the 30s. I never saw an eagle until I went to Alaska. I saw a bald eagle a few years back. I remember looking at that thing going, that's our national animal.

How the fuck? How did we at that thing going, that's our national animal. How the fuck? How did we pick that thing? Like, they're majestic flying assassins. Didn't they almost get taken out because of DDT? I don't know what almost got them, but I think lead gets them, too. Some of them die from lead poisoning because, like, say someone shoots an animal and doesn't recover it, and they find the lead pellets, they'll eat the animal, and'll get lead poisoning that happened in the condors too it's like lead ammunition they're trying to get rid of and in some states california has already outlawed it

well i just saw this thing that uh like every basically everybody alive between like 1940 and and now uh has some significant lead poisoning because of the additive of lead to gas so if you're born i guess but born before 85 there still was a lot of leaded gas in fact some countries they're still using leaded gas somewhere in africa until this year but like i guess like you know lead is is actually you know it's not as common as you would think as far as being, you know. It all stemmed from this guy. He was trying to figure out the half-life of some uranium or something, and there was, like, this lead everywhere. He realized that, like, no matter what he did to his laboratory, that there was lead on everything, contaminated lead.

And then he realized that the whole world is contaminated with lead. contaminated lead and then he realized that the whole world is contaminated with With lead and that like trillions of IQ points have been lost over the the last few in over the human population from everybody Having lead poisoning from leaded gas We'd all be a little bit smarter if it weren't for this light and they knew that they knew that it was bad They named instead of calling it leaded gas in into ethyl not ethanol they called it ethyl and It raised the octane like it supercharged the the gas he created one substance prior that it made him stink so bad that he had

like live in a different house his wife almost like divorced him because he smelled like shit couldn't get it out and then a couple years later he realized if i just put a little bit of lead in this gas it's like the octane's like, you know. Because the engines were all knocking back then because they were not getting high enough octane. So, yeah, he fixed it with lead and it just accidentally just poisoned the whole world. Holy shit. Holy shit. I never even put those two together.

I never knew that leaded and unleaded gas meant actual lead. Yeah. I never even thought about it, honestly. I didn't even know. I just go, what kind do I need? That kind. What's the good one? 93?

Okay. They put lead in everything back then. Paint? That's crazy. The paint one's a big one, right? Like kids, little kids that ate paint. That was always the thing. Like kids would make fun of kids in school.

Dude, my friend's mom bought this Victorian house, and she's told all the kids that ate paint that was always the thing like kids would make fun of kids in school dude my friend's mom bought this victorian house and she said she's told all the kids that lived there we're you know we're all like in our mid-20s she said like if you guys paint the house you can live there for free this summer so they all decided to scrape and paint the house and like after a couple weeks the cat died oh jesus christ what the and then they realized that they all had lead poisoning oh my god yeah holy yeah but dude i i remember professionals in hazmat suits for that i definitely yeah lead and asbestos i got hired to do this like uh to work at this old theater built in the 20s in Akron, I got hired to oversee it getting renovated. And, dude, when I think back about that time, this is right before we started the band.

Dude, there's just like asbestos everywhere in there. There's no respirator. It's all over Akron. Dude, everywhere. I was like, this can't be safe. They used to have it in the basements of buildings on the pipes dude yeah like when i wrestled in high school i was like did they check these fucking pipes for asbestos is it illegal fuck no probably not right and all the tile it's everywhere yeah yeah there's a lot of those right

there's a lot of those chemicals they find like That's a naturally occurring thing, asbestos. Is it really? You mine it. Yeah, it's like a natural fiber. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. But is it cancerous? Is the idea that it has to be sealed up or something like that for it to be effective?

Or does it get in the air? No, the fiber, it gets into the lining of your abdomen. Oh. And it causes inflammation until it causes cancer. I think that's how it works. I'm not a doctor, but I know that there's asbestos mines and stuff like in Canada. When I was a kid, I got a lot of construction jobs,

and one of them I had to insulate a roof, like crawl in the attic in the crawl space and use, what is that shit called? Insulation. Pink Panther. Yeah, that stuff. What is it? Fiberglass. Fiberglass, fiberglass insulate.

You'd get it everywhere. It'd be in your skin. Oh yeah, it's worse. Like everywhere, you'd just be fucking sweating up there because it was hot and then the fiberglass would get in your skin and it would just stick to you. It was just in your, like itchy, everything was itchy. And like like if you're breathing that in like how bad is that for you? Dude when we were making this record we were listening to the jerky boys one day

That's scary like hey jerky. He's like you you guys fuck with the spescus. I You fuck with this elation I eat the shit Put mustard on it. I eat the shit installation i eat the shit put mustard on it i eat the shit fucking amazing jerky boys were incredible dude so so people forgot people forgot how funny those they were the original uh like famous prank call guys amazing they still hold up too some of those sketches are fucking hilarious i think they might even be funnier now especially like in post-cancel culture. Dude, the one where he calls the Middle Eastern dude that just got molested by the dentist. I mean, fucking insane. He's like, I wake up my pants unbuttoned.

They did a couple of movies, too, I think. Didn't they do the Jerky Boys movies where they had to save the world by prank calling people? Something like that dude i got way into prank calls for a while yeah i had a couple good ones i was calling like kfc's and then i would be like hey you know i'm calling from corporate we just sent our secret taster out there we'd like to talk to the manager get the manager if i'm like so the taster said everything was, but they could only taste like 10 of the herbs and spices. So have you been storing the mix on like a aluminum rack in the back? You just get really confusing, they're like, what?

I was like, because the 11th herb and spice is actually, it's a caustic chemical, if it comes in contact with metal. It just confused the shit out of the manager. Then I would call back, because I feel bad, because I would have the people moving the bags in contact with metal. It just confused the shit out of the manager. Then I would call back because I feel bad because I would have the people moving the bags of mix and shit. I'd call back, did you just get a call from corporate?

Yeah, that's actually Popeye's. We've been one step behind them all day. Fucking with us all day. I'd do the same thing at Olive Garden. I'd be like, so I need you to go into the cooler and remove the word iran from the breadstick box uh we've broken the trade embargo they're like what where is it it's on the back you need to go did you record these i have i have them recorded yeah

there's one that released them well it's like cranked our record label one time more brothers we pranked our record they're like our record labels, Nonsense, puts out a lot of new age music, so we called. It was a new age band. We had wind chimes going. Our name of the band was Quartzazium or something. We got through to everybody. Dude, the best prank call I did was,

this was actually the last time we played SNL. I just didn't want to go out in New York. I was nervous like partying, getting sucked into a party. So like stay at the hotel and just prank call people. So I just prank called a bunch of people. And I, I got on a Craigslist and I searched for Egyptian artifact and I found

something for sales, an ancient Egyptian artifact. This guy actually in Texas, like near Waco. So I call him and it just goes straight to voicemail. And I leave a message. I say, Hey, this is Dr. So-and-so from the National Museum of Canada. I'm trying to get in touch with you about this artifact. And his voicemail specifically said, like, I will not respond to blocked calls or, you know, whatever. I called back, left another message. And then my brother was there. My brother called, he's like,

I'm so and so's assistant, I've been trying to get in touch with you. So finally, we keep making prank calls, but we keep touching back on this dude, and I call, and finally he answers, he's like, I know who this is. I was like, good, I've been waiting to get in touch with you.

You have something that we really need. And dude, this phone call lasted 40 fucking minutes. And dude, I tell him, I was like, this item that you have is something that we've been looking for for decades. We've been building a pyramid in the center of Canada for the last 100 years, we're nearing completion. And when we get your artifact, we will be able to energize this pyramid.

Are you comfortable with that are you comfortable with a total shift in global dynamics and are you comfortable with some people it resulted in a total enslavement of certain populations and the dude was like hell yeah i am fuck obama oh my god and i was like dude um here's how it works because we're a government organization i have to i have to offer you $50 you can counter offer with any number but this dude's like

so confused by what I'm saying I was like would you accept $50 for this item he's like hell yeah and I just like lose it laughing

on the phone but dude like the build up was so intense but dude it's just fucking but that's the shocking thing are you gonna release those I'll send them to you please do yeah and if someone steals them from my phone is that a problem that's the shocking thing you're gonna release those i'll send them to you please

do yeah um and if someone steals them from my phone is that a problem that's not a problem if it gets leaked out into the grave i'll send them to you uh but you know i was talking to a friend of mine who's like uh uh it just does like um counseling and does assessments of people's intelligence for prisons and stuff. And this person was basically saying that, like, you know, a higher percentage of the population than you think are just complete idiots. No one really acknowledges it, but, like, apparently I got in touch with one of them for that prank call.

But I think, you know, they were saying that, you know, the average IQ in, like, prison is prison is like way lower than you would think and that most people who end up in prison you know just they might have lead poisoning or something holy shit they might but then that becomes way scarier that like people are in prison not because they've chosen to be criminal but because they just can't think straight. Can't think straight. Fuck. Yeah. Listen, I would imagine there's some kind of impact that all that shit has in the environment and how it affects human biology.

It's not good. You start mixing someone that's just an idiot with methamphetamines or drugs. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's dudes who just unfortunately get born with dull brains. Their brains just don't work good. Yeah. I've met people like that.

It just sucks. Have you seen this? Have you seen this? I started watching this documentary on Netflix about this chick that had a vegan restaurant. I heard about it. I heard it's insane well I had to stop watching it after the second episode because my wife and I were watching it but she owns this vegan restaurant called pure food and wine and it was like a Union Square in New York and uh like she starts dating this guy who's basically convincing her to wire her wire him money like every day like

hundreds of thousands of dollars and that soon that they will be immortal and that her doll her pitbull will live forever fuck so this guy scammed her that's the story but honestly she might deserve to have been scammed she believed this shit was It's fucking insane. But yeah, I don't know what happened. I had to stop watching it because it was like how she kept sending this guy money. And he kept talking about how they were going to live forever. People get sucked into stupid shit, man.

It doesn't seem to be that hard to get them either. There's plenty of people that get sucked into stupid shit. Yeah. Dude, I got really obsessed with that Peter Popoff guy. He's like a TV evangelist who would get caught scamming people. He would have a wire in his ear, and someone would read it. They'd ask everybody that came into his revivals, what's your name, what's your age, what's your ailment right and then you know these people wouldn't think twice about putting it on the card and then he

would say is there someone here you know named as well sharon do you have a sick parent or whatever and like you know people watch this just send this guy tons of money man he he made millions of dollars then he got busted and now he, and now he's back on. You can find him on, like, infomercials. He's selling holy water. Like, he sells you holy water if you give him money. And also it helps, like, his thing is all, like, he has a lot of people on there who are like, oh, yeah, I gave Peter, I gave the mission, you know, $100, and then I won the lottery. Because this whole thing is like Jesus will give give you you know yeah rewards if you if you

donate now even if you're broke yeah he's driving around in a porsche you know that's how you're gonna get your money you gotta give up all your money and then jesus is gonna give back to you that's essentially what this guy was doing on the vegan thing he was like give me this money and then you're gonna get a hundred thousand dollars a month for the rest of your life and you'll be immortal people want to believe stupid shit. I got super fascinated with that story of that woman, Elizabeth Holmes, who made that Theranos company where they developed like a blood test that didn't work at all. Just takes your finger prick and it scans you for like a bunch of different diseases,

but apparently it didn't work. No. It's a wild story it's like listening to the amount of people that invested in the amount of money they invested like big time people oh yeah put hundreds of millions of dollars into this and now it's all just vaporware it's nothing and now she's on trial yeah i mean i've seen different people fall for tons of different shit well that's how cults get started like those the cults where they brand you like like there's a certain amount of people that

want to belong so badly or wonder if it's also people with lead poisoning or wonder if it's also people who are medicated maybe all the above the above. I mean, making bad decisions based on what other people think, you think what other people think you should do, I think it's pretty common. Super common. I mean, when we started the band, there was definitely decisions that we were making

based on what we thought other people thought we should do. Right. At one point, we got offered, you know, to put a song in a mayonnaise commercial in the UK. We were, keep in mind, like, we might have had a couple hundred dollars in our bank account we were destitute and we didn't like have you know there was no other like lifeline it was like this was our livelihood and we were convinced fully by someone who was

working with us as a manager that if we took that money and we had a song in our in that commercial that we would be branded as sellouts and that we would never no longer have a career jesus christ so we didn't and then we've eventually learned to like it was like we were brainwashed we were brainwashed you know because we were making records by ourselves in our basement like on absolutely no budget well this guy this guy lived in like a multi-million dollar house in like a big major city and he was the one telling us what you know it was just like hey yeah but yeah you know is that is that a real dilemma like when an artist gets an offer to sell a song for something like hot dogs but it's a shitload of

money what is what is the the thought process that happens it seems like seems like it was a thing when we started. It doesn't matter at all anymore. It doesn't seem like it. So no one cares anymore when it happens? They shouldn't care when it happens. It doesn't ruin the original song. I think certain songs were ruined by commercials. Of the main parody of it?

I heard it through the grapevine. Oh, that's a rough one. There's a problem there. Although I still love the song still but yeah but i you know i think it's true though you do now have to think about the grapes dancing around yeah i don't think about the grapes man good for you thank you i'm glad you're there well i don't really either i think as long as you're as long as you're comfortable with it but yeah we were definitely convinced multiple times one thing we were told not to do was it was a kate moss jewelry commercial we were told not it was like kate

moss like dancing around scantily clad and we were told once again like we'd be a sellout for doing that and we didn't or he our manager had passed on it without asking us and i was like what dude i've done a total 180 after you brought up the grapes now i agree yeah i can fuck up a song i guess i didn't think it could i didn't think like selling it to a commercial could and then i thought about the grapes i'm like yeah it's just i think it's not so much the commercial as much as that that commercial was omnipresent it was overexposure you know hearing a song hearing a song enough will make it a hit song, I think. I'm convinced you can put any song, pipe it through every Walgreens,

and it's going to become a hit. How about that really big cock song? Absolutely. You can see people dancing to it. Definitely in France or somewhere where they don't speak English at all. You know, like a big, oh, don't hear that cock song. Well, what makes it hit today? Because of the fact that radio is not the big driver anymore,

what is the biggest driver of record sales or of streams? How do people find out about stuff now most? I mean, there's this kind of punk garage rock musician who goes by the name king khan on the barbecue show he actually has the second most tick-tocked song right now which is amazing wow so i don't know if that but i i don't know i don't think any of those like analytics work anymore to determine what's happening i don't think anybody really knows what's going on. I do someone but how does like say if you're an artist you're talented How did how the fuck does it get out there? That's what we've we've wondered. I Don't know

But you know, it's interesting to me is how many musicians are selling like they're publishing if like if we're taught We're always told like oh, yeah record sales are no one's buying records But you see like these people selling their publishing for, like, $150 million, $500 million. Bruce Springsteen just sold everything for half a billion dollars. Yeah. He wants a submarine. He wants that submarine. He wants that submarine.

There's a lot of inflation. He's, like, in shit now. He's going to be up there dressed like Tonetta, just dancing on his fucking giant yacht. Half a billion dollars is a crazy amount of money. But I you know what is Bruce Springsteen like in 60s somewhere right I don't know my friend said he's the only working-class hero who wants to be known as the boss that's a good point yeah that's a good point he had a podcast with Obama for a while yeah that's some saint bart shit yeah right that's some bohemian grove shit but the saint bart's thing don't you think like all those like super

ballers they're the only people that will understand them as other super ballers and so they have to meet somewhere like a super ballers club yeah probably I mean it kind of makes sense that when you get into that oligarch realm of uber wealth and you have a 1.6 billion dollar yacht you probably don't have a lot of peers you know yeah I definitely felt like we were like the court jester for like the week you know like right yeah like we played our music it was fine people were cool um but it wasn't it but it was the weird thing was just looking out at that the harbor there and seeing that there were like literally hundreds and hundreds of these huge yeah it was crazy

did you see any eyes wide shut type shit i definitely there definitely you know what i smoked rihanna was there and she was like do you want to hit this joint she handed me a joint I was like I don't really smoke weed she's like she forced it like not forced but she's like try it and I took I took my hit she just started laughing at me because she knew what was about to happen to me and I just was like you have to say yes I definitely definitely definitely said. You have to say yes. I definitely said yes. You have to. Definitely got really high.

It wasn't as, you know, I should have freaked out a little bit more considering that it was cool. But, yeah, it was like that. That's what it was. It was really bizarre. So when all those very wealthy people and famous people get together, are they having fun at all? Or do they still seem uptight altogether? Everybody seemed chill. There was definitely a lot of, like,

girls who were flown in there to hang out, Epstein style or whatever. Damn. There were girls around. Yeah. I guess that's the ultimate form of keep up with the Joneses, right? To have that kind of wealth and have a yacht and multiple yachts.

Some of these guys, they're on their one yacht, and they're trying to hide their second yacht. And they've already confiscated one, and they're going after the second one. They have to cruise it around in it. Yeah, I think they're constantly upgrading to get that big yacht. So is the idea that all these oligarchs the spaceship is the new yacht it's not just oligarchs it's like literally Dave I think I think David Geffen has like the second or third biggest job on earth really and he had the fourth he had to get Jesus have you ever seen the Steve Jobs yacht he had a yacht that looked like a fucking

Apple Store I really did it looked like it was an Apple store floating around. You're like, oh, yeah, of course that's Steve Jobs. It's really cool. It's pretty cool looking. It's the coolest yacht I've ever seen. But I think that's what those people feel like they have to do. They get to that level of wealth. It's just, you know, here Mike got a 196-foot yacht.

Dude, we need to show up with like a 400 foot party barge. You know you need to show up with one of those Mississippi River boats. Oh yeah. One of those in Nashville that works. Those things are cool as fuck. They're amazing. Is that it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I think that's it. I think that's it. It looks like Apple Store. I think that's it. Doesn't it look like an Apple store? Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

And it's beautiful and it's all run by IMAX. Like, the screens inside are all IMAX. Oh, my God. Yeah. I would be so fucking annoyed. Just trying to shut the blinds. Like, what is going on? It's just that world is a fucking strange world.

Helicopter pads and swimming pools. And now these guys are the whole. Does that yacht come with the U2 record on it? You can't get rid of it. Was that a bad move? It was a bad move, right? To do that. You don't want to force your music on someone that way, right?

I don't know. We would. I'd be happy to be on that manuel noriega playlist oh the one they blasted him when he was in in panama when they're trying to extract him did someone compiled it on spotify i downloaded it really every song that they blasted at noriega i'm like dude it'd be cool to like get on that list the cia is like annoyance list what kind of bands were on there list. The CIA's, like, annoyance list. What kind of bands were on there? Dude, it's very chaotic, which is, I think, why it was so effective. It's got, like, everything from, like, Frank Sinatra, I think, to Van Halen.

Didn't they have, like, animal noises, too? Did they play, like, wild noises? There it is. Here we got. Billy Joel. We got another thing coming from Judas Priest. Nice. 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover. All Over, But the Cryin', Georgia Satellites, Billy Joel you got another thing coming from Judas Priest nice 50 ways to leave your lover

all over but the crying Georgia Satellites all I want is you you too big shot Billy Joel blue collar man

from Styx born to run Bruce Springsteen do you think this offended the artist when they found out like Kenny Loggins

when he found out that Danger Zone from Top Gun original soundtrack was on the fucking playlist let's try to figure out what song it was that played when he just came out Danger Zone from Top Gun original soundtrack was on the fucking playlist. Let's try to figure out what song it was that played when he just came out like, fuck this, I can't take it. What do you think?

It could be that. Kiss in the Block, Hangin' Tough, that's it. I'm a Closet Heavens on Fire fan. I love that Kiss song. I fuck the law. Iron Man, Black Sabbath, wow. A a lot of fucking stuff that's not a bad fucking midnight rider the almond brothers that's a great goddamn song that ecstasy song there's pretty pretty hip choice but interesting so i love midnight such a good song rick astley

just started following him on instagram i don't know what it means, but I means he likes your music About to get maybe it's not really him about to get like Imagine that like this becomes a part of a thing that they do to you you click on links him and the guy with the Giant hog that's like sitting on the edge of the bed That they would always cut you know like send you some link about some breakthrough discovery like, whoa, what is this guy?

Oh, son of a bitch. Poor guy. Him and the Rick Roll thing. Dude, you know what we were thinking about the other day? Just about that

Geraldo Rivero special. Which one? The one from the mid 80s when- Oh yeah. We all- Al Capone's tomb. It's one of my earliest TV memories.

My dad would be like... Somehow, at six years old, I knew who Al Capone was. We're like, we're going to watch Al Capone's tomb get opened up. Dude, that was like the ultimate Rick Roll. Everybody watched that shit. It was so stupid. It was like he crawled through, and there was nothing in there. Yeah. And they did it all live nothing

Geraldo, we should just do here though. We should have known when this aired we should have known that we're just You know being fucked with Geraldo was the guy who put the Kennedy assassination on television Was the Bruder take yeah with Dick Gregory Dick Gregory brought it to the world time it yeah it's first time it ever aired like more than a decade after the assassination Wow yeah that tapes crazy man yeah it's nuts I had Oliver Stone in here news explained he'd Oliver Stone is balls deep yeah in the JFK conspiracy. I mean, balls deep. He can quote you different hearings that were held,

where the evidence was acquired, why the timeline's wrong, and the way they printed into the evidence sheet, and how this guy couldn't have been there because he was three hours away. He can just rattle it off to to you and the man's obsessed with it This is decades after he made a movie about it. It's still there on tour with Pat Did you get into that at all did you ever get into the JFK assassination when I was your kid yeah

Yeah, run that time the Oliver Stone movie came out But I think it's weird that like isn't somehow Woody Harrelson's father and Ted Cruz's father kind of implicated somehow? Woody Harrelson's father was definitely implicated. Woody Harrelson's father was a bad dude. And they say that he was one of the guys that was in the Grassy Knoll. That was the rumor. Right.

Woody Harrelson's father, I think he was convicted of some violent offense. What did Woody Harrelson's dad do? He was convicted of assassinating a federal judge. Yes. So that's not outside the realm of possibility. Is a guy convicted of assassinating a judge? There's this legendary DJ in England who passed away in 2004,

but his name was John Peel. And he had this cool program that he would have bands come and record their songs, and it was called a Peel Session. And we were lucky enough to get to meet him and be on his show like three or four times, all very early in our career. And he actually died of a heart attack after climbing Montepiccio. But the first time we hung out with him, he was like, you know, I was there when Jack Ruby shot Oswald.

He was one of the press guys covering it. Yeah, he was like, it was so surreal. And every time I watched that footage, I was looking for John Peel. I think he was there. But, I mean, how fucking crazy is that? He was able to get to him shoot him i mean it's pretty safe just run right up on him dude it's nuts yeah and then you know he went crazy after that he's also a part of the lsd shit yeah jolly west visited him in jail afterwards, he's inconsolable, lying on the ground, curled up, talking about people getting burned alive. They dosed him in prison.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that guy was, you know, whatever. They probably told him if you whack Ruby, we'll take care of some debt that you owe or something like that. Who knows? Or if you whack Oswald, we'll take care of some debt. Or something like that who knows or if you rack Oswald will take care of some debt the in and he did it in front of the whole fucking world walked up to Oswald and shot him while he's being held by cops And it's nuts to imagine the conspiracies that would be happening if that video wasn't running then Right right if you couldn't see it on film the guy just run up to Lee Harvey Oswald and just shoot him in the stomach just run up to Lee Harvey Oswald and just shoot him in the stomach. And then the guy has all these ties to the mob, and he goes fucking completely loony in jail.

And he's dead a short amount of time later. He's dead from cancer. Yeah, within four or five years. They probably just, what caused this cancer? Polonium? They're just laying around just fucking. Polonium-238, whatever it is. What do they use in the Russian guys? Oh, I don't know. I think that's what it is what do they use in the russian guys oh i don't

know i think that's what it is they hit them they poisoned a lot of them right but people have been you know putin's enemies have been assassinated openly it's just it's like a lead isotope i think or it's polonium 238 it's like a little micro like apparently I read that like a lot of lung cancer from smoking, actually it comes from long-term dosage of little bits of polonium because it actually, small amounts end up in fertilizer. So you smoke the fucking tobacco little bits. What? Accumulate in your lungs and it can cause like, you know, it's like carbon radiation in your lungs.

Really? Where'd you read this dude i didn't graduate college so don't think i barely got through high school yeah i'm with you but that sounds really good it sounds fucking good print it well people have always wondered about that with like um roundup like that glyphosate stuff then like if that gets onto crops and even if it's washed off like how much of that gets into your body? Is it an insignificant amount? Is it okay in small doses? Or is it never okay?

My grandpa died from, he used to, he was like a handyman and would do lawns and stuff like that. And he used to mix the fertilizer in the water with his hand every day. Oh my God. He just got cancer throughout his whole body. Just can imagine.

I've heard a bunch of horror stories about dudes who, golfers. For years he did that. Golfers who keep teas in their mouth. Because, like, right where you put your tea, like, there's people always dumping, like, the grass fertilizer mixture. It's just all heavy metals. And, like, people who've been golfing for a long time hit their ball, put their tea in their mouth to get, like, lip cancer or gum cancer. Oh, fuck.

Really? Oh, my God. Oh, that's horrible. That's crazy. But it makes sense. I knew a dude who lived next to a golf course, and he got bone cancer. And they had to replace his thigh bone, his femur, with a chunk of metal, like an artificial metal bone.

And a bunch of people in his neighborhood got cancer, and they traced it to pesticides in the golf course leaking into the water supplies oh for sure this dude this this dude we grew up with he got bone cancer like in his knee when he was in his mid-20s and uh you know the doctor he had this one doctor finally like dude like we're gonna do a panel like on you for heavy metals because this is really strange and he he had like large doses of cadmium or something in his bones and he's like man did you like grow up near like a gold mine or something he's like no man and then he's talking to his mom about it his mom's like uh actually we lived on a commune when you were a baby for like a year in colorado that used to be a gold mine so like they were drinking this water where they had

already filtered in all the heavy metals and apparently he got like some serious dosage of some rare earth shit wow that's what i wonder about like with all the i mean like i said i never went to college really but i wonder like what how you know with all the, I mean, like I said, I never went to college really, but I wonder like what, how, you know, with all the electric vehicles and like, you know, getting all these rare earth minerals together, all this lithium and cadmium and these batteries, like, I don't know. I wonder what happens eventually to that shit. Well, the weird thing is that people want to say it's zero emission.

This idea that that's the solution, that that's going to fix it for us if we all have electric cars. Because you've got to have to power that electricity. Until we figure out how to make clean electrical power, you're not, I mean, if you have clean electrical power, it's like modern nuclear and it works really well And it's you know

relatively Less talk. I mean you have some nuclear waste that they have to dispose of but apparently they're pretty good at that now And if they can make a reactor that can function and not go down if they could do that That's clean, and then you have an electric car And then you clean but otherwise you have to find some way to make that fucking power to juice up that battery so it's like how are you juicing up that battery because you're still using up a lot of power to do that so where is the power coming from so if it's coming from a place that's sustainable if it's electric and it's coming from the wind and turbines and fucking solar panels, great. That's awesome. That seems perfect. But what if it's coming from a coal plant?

Like, hey, the fuck? This is the opposite of good. Those fucking places like I had a climate scientist on. He was talking about this area in Indiana that has like a bunch of coal-fired power plants in the area. And these people, they just have like a thin layer of this on their car every day like this dust that's in the air where we're from uh in in akron ohio it was the rubber capital of the world where they made it like goodyear was based there good you're still based here goodyear firestone b of goodrich general tire uh kelly tire mohawk tire every

tire company was you went to firestone high school yeah our high school how did that happen how did it become a tire mega they're just like i don't know maybe they they it was uh i don't know i don't really know but my that's why my family's there my grandfather was a he worked uh in the r&d he's vice president of research and development for the polymers of Goodyear, working on figuring out how to keep polymers viscous enough to strand it into a plastic bottle, essentially. That's what was going on.

But my dad said as a kid they would wake up and the whole city would just be covered in soot. And so when we were starting the band, there was the cheapest kind of place you could find to be loud was these old rubber factories and there was this one that we rented a room in it was an old bf good no it was an old general general it's old general tire building and like you know there was it just was like a building that's like a million square feet built and like turned to the century full of asbestos and whatever else yeah scary shit scary shit like you would walk up the stairs and i'd be like

that doesn't feel right you could feel you know like you could feel the thick air and we made our we made a record there uh aptly titled rubber factory like geniuses but um it was crazy because there's the old board rooms and we had access to this whole abandoned essentially building where we like string microphone cables together and we'd like set an amp at one side of the room and then microphone like hundreds of feet away to get the natural kind of reverb but the craziest thing was like around the corner from the area we hung out in, there was this just like exploded laboratory,

like straight out of like Rick and Morty or something. It was like, wait, what the fuck is going on in here? There were like eyewash stations, like someone had just like blown their face off. And then you'd walk down this scary ass hallway that was just. Neither of us wanted to be there at night. It was so scary.

It was scary. And there's this little, it's like there was the more industrial section of the building down at the other end and there are these holes like through the floor and this is like foot deep concrete. You could see down that there were like thousands and thousands of tires

and like basically like Gerardo's, like Al Capone's vault of tires. There was like this hidden cache of unsold tires from before they just left in the building. They tore that building down like a couple years ago. We used to eat at this diner right across the street from it. What was it called?

It was called the Lamp Post. And we were the only people in there. We never saw anybody else in there i've never we never saw anybody else in there too it might have been like a ghost could have been a mirage ghost world like no one's been in here since the old buildings not even there anymore yeah when you go into an area like an industrialized area where the buildings are fucked like detroit when everything's like shattered and you're driving through abandoned lots and I mean, we came from Akron, which is crazy. But the first time we went to Detroit, it was so eye-opening.

There's that one building downtown where you just see directly through it because just all the windows are blown out. It's a skyscraper. We didn't know anybody in Detroit, and we were just driving around during the afternoon because we would go to the shows like hours too early just because we didn't know what we were doing. And we'd end up being in downtown where nobody is,

driving around all day long looking at all this destruction and it was crazy. Detroit feels like it looks. And Dan got on stage that night and was like, how do you guys live here? Or something. And everyone was like, fuck you. Left the room and we're like,'s like fuck you left the left the room

Yeah, they turn around It feels like it's a place that used to be like hop in and then got cross center of the universe But they do have some come back now. I love to have like Shinoah. Oh, hell. Yeah They're a lot of like people that are coming back in a big way The buildings are beautiful, but it's weird having those build those crushed dreams all around you Like that's just a that's just a weirdness. It's on the rust belt and that's how that's how we grew up All of the city's Steubenville Akron Pittsburgh You ever see Roger and me we're oh, yeah, it's great documentary. You're forced to watch that when you're a kid in Akron.

When they're out there like grilling rabbits. But it's weird how you see it exactly what caused it. And you're like, wow, what must that have been like for someone who moved there, moved your family there and thought like, this is where we live. Everything's great. Everything's going great. And then companies start pulling out. That's what we grew up in.

Because when we were kids, my dad would take us, my dad wrote for the Akron Beacon Journal, the newspaper, which was this prestigious newspaper, started by John S. Knight, who went on to start Knight Ritter, and he had an office there. This guy, the legendary newspaper guy.

And this was, the newspaper won pools for prizes. I just remember people just getting laid off from there us getting going downtown and downtown Akron when we were kids there was a pawn shop and a porn theater that was what downtown was the downtown Akron adult cinema yeah yeah I got jumped on Main Street one time front of the bar that we play at we just played the show and he got his ass kicked insane but that whole area used to be one of the bar that we play at. We just played a show and he got his ass kicked. Insane. That whole area used to be one of the richest cities in the country.

That's what was cool for us because we got to exploit that in terms of musical equipment because there was such a middle class there in the 60s and 70s that by the time we got into music in the mid-90s, everyone had you know grown up and sold their instruments so you go down to like the little music shop and you could find like a vintage fender guitar for a couple hundred bucks you know it was like you would find these prizes and every every kid that we knew who got into music had like their prize thing like oh yeah this guy has like this you know 1965 telecaster he got for a hundred bucks

we'd all like dan had this cool amp this old ampeg reverb or ampeg gemini one that was like this magical sounding amplifier he got for probably for peanuts and it was the whole sound of the band for the first two records really was that that amp it's just crazy that one industry could just completely cripple a city if it decides to move out oh yeah it's just crazy that one industry could just completely cripple a city if it decides to move out oh yeah it's pretty wild that they can just do that they could just pull the plug on the economics of the city it's pretty wild that they would do that too I wonder if they knew the ultimate result whether or not they would done it well I mean that the unions were I mean I you know the

unions were getting kind of crazy. In what way? Well, the jobs that you were, I mean, it's not crazy, but the demands were high and they were being met until finally they realized they didn't have to meet them. But I know that the work week in Akron at a rubber factory was 36 hours. It was six-hour days, six days a week, and you were basically guaranteed the equivalent of $70,000 a year out of high school so it was like amazing but like they kept raising that and eventually they first moved down to like the right to work states where like unionizing was

nearly impossible so we're in nashville now ironically uh firestone got bought by bridgestone moved to Nashville. So they had six days a week you were committed to work, six hours a day? That was their move? That was the work week. So they could get more shifts in. The union demanded that so they could have more workers, pay more union dues. Did you have to work six days a week?

That was the work week, 36 hours. So that way it allowed them to have four shifts a day rather than three. So there were all these cool bars like when we were kids that were abandoned. They were out of business, but they were designed for the workers who got off at 6 in the morning. Wow. Yeah. How fucking depressing would that be to be stuck in a job like that where you're working six days a week? Making bank, though.

So is that the problem? that the the union workers wanted too much money to make the cars and that's why they pulled them out i don't know i think it was the unions themselves that were getting overly demanding you know but you know of course you know unions are important you know without it people get, you know, without it, people get fucked. I know like right now, people are trying to unionize Amazon and to watch like the, like people are getting fucked trying to do that. But I think that you have to, there's just a fine line, you know, of what, because there was an out those, you know, Goodyear had an out or Firestone had an out. They could just, they could ultimately say, we're going to make this shit in Mexico. And then when,

they could ultimately say we're going to make this shit in mexico and then when you know there it was like it wasn't it was a bipartisan thing that happened it was republicans and democrats both basically fucking the worker who allowed you know the those companies to leave you know and uh so once those tires were first manufactured in the south, and then they manufactured in Mexico and other places, and it got rid of all the manufacturing jobs, you know. But if they had it, I guess tires would be like $1,000 a tire now or something. Well, no, maybe. But what is going on in these countries where they set up shop? No one asks about that, yeah.

Yeah, how bad is it fucking up their environment? Oh, my friend worked for Ralph Lauren, doing jeans, designing jeans and stuff. And they did all their dyeing and stuff in China. He said it was fucking so toxic and the waste. He said the conditions of the factories are just so crazy and suicide watch on people. Conditions of the factories are just so crazy, and, you know, like, suicide watch on people.

Yeah. That's one of the wildest things, is that all of our phones come from those places. All of our phones that everybody has. That NBA dude who, you know, he tweeted, like, some support for Hong Kong, and what was that whole thing? Like, a Houston Rockets guy?

Like, a coach or something? Like, tweeted some, like, support for guy like a coach or something like tweeted some like support for taiwan or hong kong or something when lebron said he didn't know what he's talking about do you remember this i do vaguely but i don't follow basketball but jamie follows it closely do you remember what happened sort of i don't really remember exactly what went down i do know this i do know that lebron i heard from someone that works with him i mean this is he pulls down tens and tens of millions of dollars a year from chinese sales of basketball shoes in china i mean it's not just the manufacturing but in china there's such a huge market there but yeah i mean wow you know we've seen that in movies right they've altered movies they altered Doctor Strange to change the female,

to change his master, the teacher of magic, was a Tibetan guy in the comic books. They made it a female who was European. Right. They just completely changed the whole thing because they don't recognize Tibet. Right. They were offended by having a tibetan uh which is what it was initially so they have to like change the scripts of comic

books to appease this market that makes some shit loads of money oh yeah it's fucking weird man it is weird but all of our phones are made there like if you think of all of our we're ready to do a soundtrack form to the capital the world this picture is crazy I don't know exactly what it's saying it is but it might be looks like it's jean-dye Oh going through a river and denim pollution in how do you say that word? Jingtang? Jingtang? The blue jean capital of the world.

That's fucked. Yeah, this article said it's so polluted they can't give away houses. That is crazy. Like, is that what it takes to make nice jeans? Like, when people are buying jeans, and they're buying jeans, look at the low cost of these jeans. Is that what we're paying for?

Are we fucking poisoning some part of the world instead of just having ethical manufacturing? I don't know, man. But buying this house in South Carolina, you start realizing how... It's the first time I've really you know seen like you know how extensive slave labor was in the US you know insane insane I mean like the rice the rice thing you know Charleston back in the day I mean fucking hell they grew a

lot of indigo and dude I think fucking crazy to see like what the fuck was going on I mean you want to talk like what the fuck was going on I mean you want to talk about one of the scariest aspects of human history is that for as long as we can remember people have been stealing people and forcing people to work for them yeah from the beginning of time yeah it's it's crazy it's slavery is in the fucking Bible you talk about slavery it's just a horrible aspect of human beings that they're capable of doing It's crazy. Slavery is in the fucking Bible. You talk about slavery. It's just a horrible aspect of human beings that they're capable of doing that to other people.

I was golfing. There's this cool little golf course on Charleston Harbor. And there's just huge shipping container ships, whatever they're called. Cargo ships. Cargo ships. Cargo ships. Giant fucking ships coming in. And I was golfing with a buddy of mine who used to be Coast Guard intelligence. And out of nowhere, he's like,

oh man, you'd be shocked if you knew how many people were on that boat right now. And I was like, what do you mean, like the crew? He's like, no, dude. In the fucking containers. He's like, dude, it's shocking. He's like, I bet there's over a dozen people in that boat right now in those containers. So there's always people in the containers.

That's what he was saying, dude. And do they die in there sometimes? Yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ. So they just take the risk. How long is the boat ride? Well, pre-COVID, it would be a couple weeks, but then shit got, I don't know. Oh, boy.

And so no one opened the crates. I hadn't even thought about that. Oh, my God. No one opened the crates because they were stuck at sea, and they starved to death in the box. That's what he was saying. Holy shit, dude. I know. Now every time I see one, I'm like, ay-yi-yi, man.

Oh, my God. God, imagine that's the way you go out, starving to death in a box waiting to go to a better life Fuck that fuck The shit timing in that holy fuck That's crazy That's the the weird one of the weirdest things about the world today Right is that like the world today that we think of the world today is just right here. Like there's a lot of parts of the world

that are fucked sideways. The apocalypse has happened already. It's just not happening right here. Oh yeah. But it's in spots. I see, you know, of course on social media this like people shit talking

in the United States or whatever. I'm just like, hey, hey, yeah man like go move near with that blue jean factory is fucking changing the river like clearly you haven't traveled enough to know like of course the u.s is flawed as every place can be but dude we're we're very lucky to have been born in this country and people wanted to die sit on a boat for weeks to get here yeah the amount of opportunity exists here i don't unprecedented yeah the people who used to sit on boats for weeks going to china they they would say they got shanghai do you know about this

the people like they would like in in portland oregon like they would people at the bar they would like slip them on mickey and they'd have like these trap doors at the bar and like, Spanish fly, open the trap door, boom, they'd wake up, they'd be on a boat to China working, forced, and they call it getting Shanghai. Whoa. You've never heard about that? I did hear about that,

but I completely forgot about that term, Shanghai, until you just brought it up. I haven't heard that in years. But I never really put it together that that's what it was yeah that that was like a real network of like human slavery yeah forced labor china has a crazy history of that and here we are bitching about not putting a song in a mayonnaise commercial oh man did you guys uh write all this stuff during covid yeah we we both got covid making the record oh really

who's patient zero dan went down first oh yeah i got it first hit me for a couple weeks damn i had a fever for like two weeks what time of the year was this when was this around what was that you got it end of uh it was end of august of this past year yeah so you got the delta yeah i had a delta yeah i made him some soup and he was like i think i can taste it this is after like two weeks and i was like, I think I can taste it. This is after like two weeks. And I was like, what the fuck? And I got the shit too. My whole family got it. Did you do any treatments for it? I tried to.

I couldn't get any doctors to help me. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It was like the only person that I could really get on the phone to help me was a pharmacist. I was texting directly with the pharmacist. Really? Yeah.

And the monoclonals were around. They wouldn't give you money. Yeah, I was trying to get them. I couldn't get them. Why wouldn't they give them to you? I don't know. They tried to, one of my doctors who I was with tried to give me some weird, what was that medicine he tried to give me?

It was for some strains. It was for something else. It was for high cholesterol it was a cholesterol medication he's like you know we're not going to give you that monoclonal i can't do that but i can give you this cholesterol drug we're not going to give you a thing that's going to help you even though we have it right here yeah when when does that ever happen before exactly when has there ever been a time where you go the medicine that's going to make me better is right over there. Can I get that? No, we can't give it to you.

I couldn't get it. So I spent two weeks with a fever. I mean, is that a supply issue? What is that? No, this was early on. But, I mean, is it a supply issue where they want to make sure that the most vulnerable people get it only? Is that what this is, or is this bullshit?

What's going on with that? It could have been supply because in Florida they were giving it through to people like in drive-throughs and shit Yeah, Florida was giving it to everybody my friend Ari got it down there and they gave it to him Yeah, yeah I was talking to my friends in Florida and they'd all gotten it and got treatment and we're better really fast Florida had a real open policy and it was all free too. You could just go into these clinics, these monoclonal antibody clinics. I'm pretty sure they were free. They were doing like intra

muscular shots. Yeah, it was eye opening to say the least. It's creepy. Yeah. Yeah. I got lucky that I got good healthcare but I got it in the same time frame as you did so I got the Delta too.

But, you know, I just don't like the idea that that can happen again. I lost my spell for like eight weeks. It was nuts. Did you try alpha lipoic acid? Uh-uh. Andrew Huberman said that alpha lipoic acid seems to show some promise in alleviating some of the symptoms of not having a sense of smell or taste. Let me check it out. Because my smell is still fucked up.

Really? Still fucked up. Here and there, yeah. Yeah, my friend Ryan Sickler, stand-up comedian he's um he's been like 18 months no smell dude the weird thing for i mean the weird thing for me about the covid was like every day i felt like a new and distinct symptom just like mildly you know i mean like i felt like the heart palpitations i felt like the brain fog whoo I felt all this shit it was nuts it's a weird disease yeah it's like an alien disease

it feels like it was made in the lab it does it definitely I never felt anything like it and it was bizarre and also like you know I looked up this like how many people you know what other diseases cause total loss of smell and taste and they're like a sinus infection well I was like I've never fucking heard that my dad my dad can't smell and the reason why he can't smell is because he walked into a door and broke his nose and then the doctor went to correct it and like severed a nerve and he's never been able to taste since that's the only person I ever knew who couldn't smell.

It was my dad. And you know how the way the doctor tested my dad's sense of smell? Is he picked up his ashtray and said, Do you smell that? He's like, Nope. He's like, Yeah. I don't think he can smell again. But have you heard of any other diseases that cause that? Never.

Never heard of one. Never heard of one. And it's like so prevalent. I know so many people that lost their sense of smell. It's like so prevalent I know so many people that lost their sense of smell it's creepy ass fucking disease I just took the antibody test and mine still alive and kicking strong strong well next time you guys do it if you get sick again hopefully to be easier these the new version of it seems to be quite a bit milder.

But everybody keeps talking about it like it's going to come around again. They're stirring up the flames, stirring up the embers of fear. I was on a plane when they announced that the mask mandate on planes was gone. And it was really funny to see how people took to that. Did they cheer half the people did and another half like full panic full panic i think everybody that had had it already was like thank god we didn't travel much and nashville opened up very early yeah you know it was like there were no masks anywhere especially when you got right out of city that no one would wear. Same thing as Texas. Yeah, you get outside of Austin, and it's like they didn't care.

They acted normal, whether that's good or bad, because a lot of those folks are not that healthy. It's just. That's what was, like, crushing, like, my friend was the CEO of a hospital near Nashville, and it was all people from outside Nashville with pre-existing conditions taking up all the beds. You know what I mean? Well, a lot of fucking people

have pre-existing conditions. That's one of the things that this exposed. Yeah. You know? It's a bummer, man. We all have lead poisoning. That's crazy. Yeah.

But it makes sense. I have a buddy who lived in Brooklyn for a while and he was trying to grow vegetables in his backyard, but he's a really smart dude, so he dug up the soil and had it tested and just filled with lead. Oh, God. So they had to figure out how to get the lead out. There's certain plants you can grow to let the lead out.

There's certain plants you can grow that will help extract it from the soil. Get the lid out. That's what they'd say on the radio in Northeastern Ohio. For Led Zeppelin. There's a half-hour show every day when we were growing up called Let the Lead Out. Just Led Zeppelin for a half hour. Damn. Yeah.

Rock and roll was so prevalent in Northeastern Ohio. That's another one. Imagine being able to see Zeppelin in their prime. What that must have been like. What's the documentary song remains the same? Is that it? Being able to see Zeppelin in their prime, what that must have been like. Was the documentary Song Remains the Same? Is that it? That's like their feature films.

I find those band-made films in the 70s impossible to watch. Yeah? But they put out a live concert in 2003 called How the West Was Won. There's footage from them at Royal Albert Hall around the same time as that black sabbath footage like 1970 1969. it's insane so good man yeah pat got me into them i hadn't listened to led zeppelin dad never listened to something dad never played it i never really heard it too much i grew up with led zeppelin i'm white trash from massachusetts when i was in high school that's where I went to high school, and that's where all the, I mean, everybody loved Zeppelin. It was just Robert Plant posters on people's walls,

and everyone knew how to do the little different insignias and put them on your notebooks. I had a Led Zeppelin poster on my wall. My friends used to give me some shit about liking Led Zeppelin poster on my wall. My friends used to give me some shit about liking Led Zeppelin because it was classic. It wasn't hip. Well, you're younger than me. I'm older than you.

When I was a kid, it was just 10 years ago, which is kind of crazy. We would listen to even old muscle cars. They were just 20 years ago. It wasn't that long ago oh yeah i have a 65 um mustang and i'm constantly thinking about how the car is only it's only 15 years older than me but it feels like it's from another area it's a wagon it's like wagon wheels it's like so indecisive. What's happening on the road? You're not getting good feedback at all. No idea what's going on. No idea.

And it's just so powerful. Consider how rickety it kind of feels, how powerful it is. Ridiculous. Oh my God. But beautiful. It's like a rolling piece of art. Yeah, for sure. But there's something that would go well with your music.

Like a 65 Mustang and your music. Or Like a 65 Mustang and your music, or a dope 65 Mustang and your music go together nice. I find a nice 1988 Ford Tempo in our music. Dude, you never see those things. That was my first car was a Ford Tempo. Oh, yeah? Had a stick shift. Nice.

Yeah. Ford Tempo. You could really let it out, you know? Dude, those cars did not last. I put 12s in the trunk. Ford Town Car you really let it out you know dude those cars did not last I put 12s in the trunk within 10 years those cars were all dust

yeah in fact I have a friend who he used to tell this story and this is like early 2000 so the car would

only be like 12 years old he's like he was like I was merging onto 77 which is like the highway in Akron and I swear to God

like a mint condition Mercury Topaz merged on next to me. It was immaculate. And it just took off and just disappeared. But it was like the ghost car, like the immaculate fucking Ford Tempo. Someone's keeping one well kept in their garage. That's back in the day when they had three cars that were all the same. It was like the Mercury Sable. There were like three cars that were all exactly the same.

Right, because Mercury was owned by Ford, and they just had different names for things. They're all just pieces of shit. There were so many bad cars back then. It's kind of interesting that the earlier eras up until like 1970-ish is when people collected cars. You could still go. Those are still classic today. They were classic 10 years ago. But nobody gives a fuck about those 90s cars like get them out of here yes 80s cars get out of here

with those 80s cars get the i've got an 85 cadillac seville slantback i love it so much if you want to have a 90s car what's good in the 90s well i guess porsche's i mean we grew up in the era of hip-hop with with the cars yeah the forehands with the rims yeah you have you seen those guys bbs boys they make those cars basically like dream cars from rap videos they make them now oh boy they're getting huge doing that and it's so amazing seeing it i get so um it brings up so many memories you know those were the cars i wanted when when i was like in high school yeah you're always like a prisoner to the cars that you were really into when you're in high school that's what was popular was on the videos it was all flashy and like looked amazing yeah there's how many people out there want to test a rosa because of miami

vice right everybody wanted to be Don Johnson. I always wanted the Ghostbusters ambulance. That was the car. Those are very expensive. I would imagine. My son's really into, like, foreign cars. What are all these, Jamie? The BBS boys' cars.

Oh. Oh, yeah. I just drool over all these videos, man. So they put BBS wheels on all these cars? Well, that's just what they're called, but they put just, you know, accessories from the era on there. One car that was fucking incredible from the 1990s

that doesn't get its just deserve is the original Acura NSX. That little tiny aluminum car that Acura made? That's a 90s car that needs some respect. It was like a 90s Acura response to Ferrari because Ferraris were making these sleek little sports cars. And so Acura decided, we're going to show you what a real one is like.

We're going to make one that doesn't break. We're going to make one that you can drive every fucking day. So it it's like your car except it doesn't break every 10 minutes that's cool and so they made a better ferrari and they changed the game for everybody else everybody else had to like make a car that actually lasted because hondas were so fucking good they figured out how to make a car that just like didn't have problems and so if you bought an actual ferrari like that thing was probably always little tweaks. It's a race car. There's a lot of shit you got to do.

The other thing's a Honda. I have a 2010 BMW. It's still my driver. I bought it new. I took it in to get new brakes the other day. That thing's rickety, man. Now I am more. It's getting new brakes.

Dude, I was shocked when you drove it. All the front pads have been worn out. I was waiting to get a new car. Dude, I'm like an old school saver. I'm like, I'm going to drive this another six months. And then, dude, there's no cars available. They're all sold out. Because of the supply chain issue.

So I'm like, I'm going to drive this another year. I've decided to get new pads because it was like metal on metal. I took it into the BMW guy. The guy checking me in was like, he mentioned that he was 21. I was like, fucking hell, this car. He was nine when I bought this car. Wow. Do you know anybody that's driven a daily driver for 12 years?

No. I think I'm about to break some sort of record, man. It's unusual. It's unusual. It's unusual. But those cars can last. I might get to keep it. It's got 75,000 miles on it. That's it.

Because we toured so much. It's just, it's got no miles on it. Yeah, those cars can go for a long fucking time too. They're so well engineered. Dude,

when we signed our first real record deal with this label in Mississippi, it was like for $12,000. That was the guarantee. And the dude was like, hey, Dan had mentioned, that's a cool old Mercedes back there.

It was like a 1980 Mercedes. He's like, well, yeah, I could knock $5,000 off of the check and you could take that car. You can drive that out of the car. You can drive it home. He was like a used car salesman record deal. That's hilarious.

Had a bullet hole in the windshield. Show him a 1994 Acura NSX. Can't believe you've never seen one of these things before. Oh, I probably have. It's a little aluminum car with like a tail on the end of it. That's an Acura NSX. That's an Acura? Yep.

That's an NSX. It's a mid-engine supercar that Acura NSX. That's an Acura? Yep. That's an NSX. It's a mid-engine supercar that Acura designed and built for years. I had two of those. I had one from that era with the lift-up headlights, and I had one from the later era, like 2003, that

had fixed headlights. It's a beautiful little car, right? It's cool. Yeah, it looks Italian. They flipped the game on the Italians, because they made one of these cars that doesn't break. little car right it's cool so they've they've yeah it looks italian you know they like flip the game on the italians because they made one of these cars that doesn't break i'd never driven a sports car until just recently i went to miami and my son is obsessed with them because he watches like mr beast and stuff like they're always talking about lamborghinis and mclarens and like he's like dad did you know this lamborghinihini can beat this one? So I surprised him and rented him like a green Lamborghini.

That's hilarious. And we drove around Miami. That's hilarious. It was awesome. He had so much fun. Did you drive it at all? Did you drive it? I drove it all over, yeah.

Did you freak out while you were driving it? Did he freak out? Yeah. Did you freak out, too? Oh, yeah. It was fun. Especially in Miami. Something about it felt very appropriate. Yeah, did you freak out too? Oh, yeah, it was fun. It's a crazy car to drive around in. Especially in Miami.

Something about it felt very appropriate. Yeah, it fits right in. We drove over to the Padron factory, got some fresh Nicaraguans. How old is your son? Six. Oh, wow. That must have been a trip. Oh, he loved it so much.

It was fun. Because that's like being in a spaceship for a little kid or a superhero car. Yeah, I mean, that's what it felt like to me. I can't imagine what it was like to him it was just so crazy blasting the music driving around with the top off it was kind of nuts miami's like the most flossy city in the country for sure right where people would drive around with something like that oh yeah i mean if you sit on that main street there you just see them like every other car is some sort of crazy sports car yeah it's like the the place where the yachts go it's the same kind of deal people go there to party and ball yeah you know it's a way of life there for sure where do you guys when when you start your tours do you just figure out like what sounds cool like oh i'd like to go to this part of

the country i'd go or do you have like a sort of a a plan do you try to make your way across the country how do you do it usually uh i mean yeah there's definitely certain cities like in this tour we're doing 32 shows and there's some cities that didn't make the cut for whatever reason routing that we'll have to go back to. But there's big cities for us too. Like Minneapolis is a big city for us. It's not on the tour. But, yeah, we just try to get as much coverage.

I mean the big thing for us is that because we both have young kids is trying to minimize that time away from home. That's what I was going to ask you. Do you do the thing where you make your way across the country in a bus or do you do like weekends and fly back we do it all like and we try to do like it doesn't make sense to do it in and out so you have to you have to go on the road so we figure out this kind of system you know like three weeks on two weeks off essentially and we can cover the U.S. in like three legs still trying to figure out like how you know i got my kid out for a couple

days here and there i can't go three weeks without seeing him yeah it's too long my dad went away for a month when i was a kid and i still like was traumatizing to me um i went to the take the trash out two days ago my kid was in tears jesus christ i know yeah it's a weird thing the the travel when you have children just doesn't feel fun anymore but like i was saying i earlier before we started i slept like better last night than i have in years because he's not running around grabbing things 12 hours of sleep it was it was amazing that's hilarious and so true and everybody can relate to that. It's just a thing that happens to you.

You have children. And also you start getting real paranoid about things. Paranoid about what are the dangers out there. Oh, yeah. Start thinking about stuff. Do we have enough food? Do we have food stockpiled anywhere? You start thinking things like that when you have children.

Like with COVID, I was really worried about the toilet paper situation. Yeah. I have to pee so bad. Let me pause this. Let's pause this and we'll come back and chat some more. God damn, I got to pee so bad. I'm barely hanging in here. We're waiting to see who would go first. So we're talking about cars.

So why do you have this old-ass car? You obviously love cars. I'm just like a... Pragmatic? Yeah. They're beautiful. Yeah. And when they run, it's amazing. old-ass car you obviously love cars I'm just like a pragmatic yeah just yeah they're beautiful yeah and when they run there it's amazing I've got old motorcycles 30s and 40s but this isn't that old it's 2010 yeah mine's not beautiful I just stood with cheapskate right Dan has a crazy collection of

motorcycles I thought you're talking about the, yeah. What kind of motorcycles? Old knuckleheads and panheads. Oh, wow. Yeah. How'd you get into those? I had some friends in Nashville who were into them. And then actually I bought my first one from Mike Wolf, who lives in town. Because he's just always getting them. And, yeah, I just got addicted to it.

Those are fucking cool yeah like when you see one ride by you can't help but like turn it turn your head and look at it watch it you get you drawn into it there's something about it like the freedom of that and I always think at the beginning of that Hunter S Thompson documentary where he's talking about the edge and he's riding the motorcycle on the Pacific Coast Highway. And he's just, do you remember that? And then he talking about how he gets to a certain speed where it feels like he hears music and it just, everything just seems to come together for him.

It's so peaceful. It really is. Nothing clears my mind like it. I'm so scared of those things. Yeah, but these ones are not like a Kawasaki Ninja or something. But even them, I'm scared of other people, man. Yeah, I guess. Dan's like, oh, man, I'm not so into flying.

It's like, dude, you drive a 100-year-old motorcycle, like literally an 85-year-old motorcycle. I'm like, come on. Johnny Depp is so simple those machines johnny depp is actually the one that does the narration over that hunter thompson thing yeah the ride in the motorcycle thing that's right yeah motorcycles are they're amazing but i they it definitely they scare me i think it's that's healthy look at that thing Yeah, how many of these do you have you've got like 15

Look at the patina. Can you go back to that one 18? Look at the patina on that one? Oh that one came from North Carolina, dude. That is fucking gorgeous 48 48 pan at first year panhead That's a clear example of like time and wear making something even more beautiful. All my bikes are like that. Those are the ones that I like are the ones that are sort of like rolling folk art. That is- That's my Indian right there, the striped one.

The guy who owned that played motorcycle polo with that bike. What? First gear is completely ripped out because he was just playing fucking polo. That one that I'm on right there, that red one, just playing fucking pole that one that i'm on right there that that red one that what's oh that's not me no this other that's my buddy though you gotta look at it for a second no that one it looks like the same bike this one yeah right there in the middle that one that guy came out of uh came out of the army and bought that for himself it was black he painted all red what years customized it that's a 40 1940 look how

beautiful that thing is and do you ever drive these and there's pinstriping on the fronts that's like pinstriping from the 40s i mean it's so early do you drive these i rode that one to mississippian back wow with a group of about 14 other old bikes. Now, is there a compromise in the way it brakes or anything? Fuck yeah. Like, how bad is it? That one's an original paint. That's fucking beautiful.

Mike Wolf, I bought that one from Wolf. God, that green is incredible. He called that one Swamp Donkey. How bad are the brakes? Oh, they're good. I mean, if you have them right, they're fine. So it's not that big of a difference where it's dangerous? Well, a modern bike definitely brakes.

A disc brake definitely stops better, but, you know. Anyway. It's a real addiction But I do love it BMW is coming out With some kind of Motorcycle that Helps you Correct

When you lose balance Like a trike I don't know what the fuck Dude I saw someone Here driving One of those It's like a reverse trike The cars

Yeah yeah yeah The spiders Dude they're so goofy looking very weird yeah yeah this is this bmw thing that's like the car from the ambiguously gay duo that's like it's a tron car right so the idea is something inside of it balances it out to help you if you are about to fall over. It balances you out. That reminds me of the Gibson-made guitars that would tune themselves. Yeah. The robot guitar.

It's like a Segway. Failed miserably. It's fucking cool looking. I mean, it's not the same kind of cool as your bikes. Oh, no. It's beautiful. It's spaceship cool. Yeah. It's like Tron level. Yeah. I mean, there's not the same kind of cool as your bikes. Oh, no, it's beautiful. But it's spaceship cool. Yeah, it's like Tron level.

Yeah, I mean, there's completely different feels to that. Like, look at that woman riding that. That's wild. So you could just sit on it, and it doesn't tip over? We're basically living in a movie. Look at that thing. Is this a concept, or is this an actual bike? Both, I think. that thing is this a concept or is it this is an actual bike both i think well more of a super matrix i love that fuck yeah it looks awesome yeah because they've

been making some weird stuff to show at ces and stuff and the difference is i bet that if you drive one of your bikes that it's a lot like driving like a 1965 corvette or something like that that you feel Something when you're driving it. It's like there's an excitement to having this Rolling old art under your ass I just I look at the clothes that wearing in that I'm just wondering like you know like in the 50s I tried to like show what the future would look like and then the 70s come around everyone's wearing like really ugly bottoms like I went to the clothing store today, and my wife had to buy some shoes. All the jeans are designed to emphasize the fupa.

Really? I don't even understand what's happening. I feel like all the pants are really short and cut really weird. I just wonder what people are going to dress like 15 years from now. They're not going to dress like that. They're going to dress like wave, wave. There's so much lead poisoning out there, man. They're going to be dressed way.

You think that's what it is? I don't know. That would make sense that why people get really into pants that have been torn to shreds. Yeah. My wife has pants that she just bought that look like she was in a car accident. She just got attacked by wolves. There's holes all over them. And that's the style.

The style is wear clothes that it's torn apart, blown apart. Like your knees are hanging out. It's fucking pieces of your thigh exposed. Like your pants. You should be embarrassed to have those pants on. Run home and change. You tore your pants apart. But no, you buy them like that.

The dystopian future clothing where like the like the easy collection of just like everyone looks kind of like futuristic prisoners it's just like obi-wan kenobi for the rest of your life i saw i saw kanye perform at the hollywood bowl like 10 years ago it was all like singing through auto-tune it was very weird um like i didn't think it was very good it was it was a performance you know it was like the most theatrical but it was funny like afterwards the people i knew who weren't musicians just were like that was incredible that was the most incredible thing i've ever seen i was like oh that's probably like these are all like actors and shit that's probably like how i like when i see like honey i shrunk the two

kids too i'm like that was amazing You're an idiot Well, you know does he have his own way of like what was it about it that you didn't like is it just not your style Of music. I just didn't understand it. What was he doing? It was like a one-man show. He's wearing like a he's wearing like um Burlap sack man it was so weird man and this is like how many years but it wasn't like the shags weird it wasn't like that it wasn't like weird weird it was like well like high iq weird just like really worried about it but i don't really get it but the point is is just that it's funny when you see someone like

the dystopian future like you know i don't know i hope the future doesn but the point is it's funny when you see someone like the dystopian future. I don't know. I hope the future doesn't look like that. It's so fucking boring. I think the future is going to be genderless. I think what we're seeing now with all this bizarre classifications of things and pronouns and all this craziness with people, I think we are on our way to becoming aliens. I think this is one of those things it's like we if what that thing is in our head that archetype of

the big head and a little tiny body that's the future we're going that way and we're gonna go that way because of a fucking an implant or some sort of technological advance but along the way our bodies are gonna get accustomed to this idea of the male and female dynamic is like it doesn't count anymore. It's like there's 98 different genders, and everybody can be whatever the fuck you want at any given time. And it'll slowly make it easier for us to accept becoming aliens. Genderless, fucking genital-less, just little spindly bodies

moving everything with our minds. That's what's going to happen. That's why all this wild shit's happening in our country. It's preparing us for this state. We're building the fucking cocoon. We're going to become the butterfly. Yeah. You don't hear about abductions that often anymore, do you?

Hardly ever. They're everywhere. Damn, man. I was terrified of it as a kid. I was too. The Goodyear blimp was based where we're from you know like so they i was watching unsolved mysteries one night when i was probably about eight i can't believe my mom i was like allowed to watch this shit was just like you know i was convinced the men in black were like gonna come into my house when i was a kid

you know really little kid but one day I'm watching this shit, and I look out the, reflecting on me, just like colors, just like blue, red. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? And I was like, I look up in the sky, and I see like all these colors. I'm like, what the fuck? Through the trees, I'm like, what the fuck?

And it turned out like they were testing like a LED color panel on the Goodyear blimp, but I For a while I was like fucking hell they're here. You know what movie scared the fuck out of me Do you remember that Whitley Stryber movie my friends parents own? Whitley Stryber's house where he wrote Kim What movie communion this is what here listen to this I'm not this is not a value judgment This is just facts will these driver was a fiction writer He would write you know like fantasy novels like good right what kind of stuff did he write was it sci-fi?

I'm only familiar with Communions, I don't know so and then he writes a true-life story That reads exactly like his novels it talks about him being abducted by aliens. And then they make a movie about this. And the movie's, when I was a kid and I watched it, I was fucking terrified. Dude, the cover of the book alone. They're going to take me through the walls. They can just take you right through walls.

They just appear at your bedside. You can't move. You're paralyzed. They run science experiments on you. Dude, I was talking to this. That's the movie that scared you the most when you were a kid oh yeah well no in terms of it wasn't scared me the most but it was the most in terms of thinking that that could really happen

like that could really happen to you I was sitting around once on tour and talking to one of the security guys that we were touring with and we were talking about you know touring and of course like you know like touring. Of course, like, you know, like, he's like, I was like, you ever been in a haunted hotel room?

He's like, oh, yeah, I've seen a demon once. I'm like, oh, really? He's like, oh, yeah, it climbed on top of me. It wouldn't let me up, held me down. I was like, oh, dude, that's called sleep paralysis. He's like, no, man, full demon. I was like, no, man, I was like, oh, dude, that's called sleep paralysis. He's like, no, man, full demon. I was like, no, man. I was like, look it up.

I was like, it's happened to me. Sleep paralysis is scary because, you know, you think that someone's holding you down. You think someone's in the room. But, like, there's a painting from, like, the 1700s of, like, a succubus on top of somebody. He's like, what the fuck? Dude, he got so freaked out. It's like I met a few people who were fully convinced they had seen a demon. And then I was like, sleep paralysis.

Like your mind's like awake. Your body's asleep or vice versa. But it's also you could be dreaming still. Oh, yeah. So if you do have sleep paralysis and you're in the middle of a fucking half-assed dream and you really think there is a demon on your chest? I've had it like four or five times every time I've had it like yes someone there's somebody in the room fuck somebody's in the fucking room always

But um I wonder if what you know a lot of abduction stuff probably comes down to that look at that That is a wild picture. Nope. That is a wild imagine They come to my art show like this like 1780s artists come to my art show I've drawn a succubus on top of a young woman back then when they really didn't have much data so metal on anything like so metal look at it back then when someone got sick or when something like oh i think that's incredible isn't it crazy that each one of these shows the same kind of thing each Each one of these pieces of artwork, it's a demon on the back. It's almost all, it's all like Northern Europeans too.

Like Swedish. What if we're just naive? What if we're just naive and there really are demons that occasionally just almost suffocate you? And they think it's cute. They think it's cute. They just climb on you and almost suffocate you, but they're not allowed to suffocate you. And then they let go. And occasionally they blow you. And just climb on you and almost suffocate you, but they're not allowed to suffocate you. And then they let go. And occasionally they blow you.

And that's why you have wet dreams. Maybe if you had wet dreams, you found out it's actually demons that are riding your cock. Dude, this chick I knew, she told me she was an atheist, and then she told me she believed in demons. And I was like, eh. Seems consistent. I was like, it doesn't really work that way.

It doesn't quite work that way. Well, that's the thing is, like, everybody, you're allowed to say you believe in God, but very few people say they believe in the devil. Yeah. It's hard to say. That gets you ridiculed. Even the people that believe in God will go, come on, the devil? Yeah.

But imagine. Imagine if that's really what's going on. That's what eats at the heart of men and causing them to contemplate nuclear war. It really is devils. That would be wild shit if we were so naive, like, God, devils aren't real. Come on, man. You know? I mean, if the sun wasn't real and someone told you about the sun, you'd be like, shut the fuck up.

How is that possible? It's a million times bigger than the earth and it's on fire. Really? Yeah, what else can it read your mind if you stare at it do you go blind yes yes you do right oh my god man there's a lot of shit that if you if it wasn't real someone told you about it you'd you'd be like very incredulous like orcas like they have their own language we can't decipher it they're maybe as smart as us they just don't affect their environment that's one thing that covered i think my realization was just like how little everybody anybody knows how it's impossible

to even like get like a clear message out to anybody and when people were like early on like everybody's getting vented and dying like no one's even mentioned like that like there's been like a million deaths but like how many hundreds of thousands were from being ventilated ventilated yeah oh but they didn't know what to do they don't know but then you like you're like oh what happens if you get diagnosed with like most diseases you're just fucked you're just fucked you know yeah but i think that there's just very little that people really you know the level of understanding that people have like imagine the fact that we were fucking around with a nuclear bombs like seven years ago like no one even really knew what was happening it just like accidental like just dropping

them all the time in the ocean oh yeah fucking crazy videos are insane dude nuts I saw them to a friend of mine the other night at dinner like this is what it looked like and you see the look on his face when the the fucking mile high wall of water comes out of the ocean it's like it's so big it doesn't even make sense to the best holy fuck right now when everyone's talking about this russian hypersonic missile like can you believe this weapon that Russia has? I was like, wait a second. The U.S. spends like 10 to 20 times the amount of money on weapons than Russia.

We have all that shit. I mean, but the hypersonic missile, I mean, that's probably what those UFOs, quote-unquote UFOs from the videos that were circulating a couple of years ago, because those things are just like, you know, because those things are fucking crazy, man. The ramjet shit, but it's crazy.

It's like Art Bell, when we used to drive on tour back in the day, it would be like, you'd listen to Coast to Coast at night, there's nothing else, but you could find

that scary ass shit and you'd be looking over like the, you know, Arizona skyline like looking for shit. Driving in the middle of the night listening to Art Bell, that's the best. And like around the time we were doing that like that's when art bells like

family got kidnapped you're like what the fuck is going on and george nori would come on and then they were talking about ram jets and all kinds of shit like i mean that shit it's actually i think the ram jets what the powers of the sr-71 like Essentially, it takes a whole tank of fuel to get that thing just up and going, like Mach 1 or 2 or whatever, and then they have to refuel it to get it ramming or whatever. So they refuel them in the sky?

Yeah, it takes a whole tank to get them where they need to go. That's the wildest shit ever. Pumping gas in the sky. Dude, if you see the potential of these hypersonic missiles, have you? Yeah. Dude, without even a warhead, they have a megaton explosion just from the velocity

of the speed, they can go Mach 15 or something. And they can change course. Yeah. They can't just predict, oh, this one's gonna go to Seattle. No, it can turn left, it can go south. You know that scene in like, it's like Superman 2

where they have the ICBM and like he's like riding it. Yeah. Dude, that's fucking insane. I think you're right. I think that's probably a lot of what those UFO sightings were. I think a lot of the other ones

are drones. Like the ones, like the famous one is that Tic Tac one that they found off the coast of San Diego I think in 2004. A commander, David Fravor, saw this object that they had tracked.

They even recalibrated their device, apparently, to make sure that it was accurate. But they read this thing at more than 50,000 feet above sea level, and it got down to 50 feet in less than a second. Yeah. And they don't know what it is, and they followed it around with their jets. And then the people on the Nimitz said yeah We've been seeing these for a couple weeks It's like super credible naval pilots pilots guys who really understand like what's possible and not possible And they watch these things dart off and just vanish with the kind of speed that like is just impossible no propulsion

Signature it doesn't like show that like anything's coming out the back like a normal jet It just looks like a tic-tac and it goes at an impossible speed like what the fuck is that that might be a drone it might be some crazy fucking drone that they've been working on for decades it's not telling us about oh for sure when I saw the Pentagon was talking about UFOs and they were talking about things are from alien worlds I'm like yeah really or maybe you guys have been making some cool fucking shit. And you don't want everybody to know. And you're like, oh, yeah, it's not us.

We don't have any hypersonic fucking UFO looking tic-tacs. It's like back to Phil Hartman when he does the unfrozen caveman lawyer. He's like, I'm not familiar with your modern ways, this legal system. But I do know my client's entitled to 3.5 million in punitive damages. It's like, it's alien technology. We don't know where it's from. Why would the Pentagon ever tell us?

Because I always wondered, like, because Tom DeLonge, he actually worked with the government. Like, they brought him in to talk about aliens because he's that much of an alien freak. And I think they thought that would like help, you know? Dude, he told me, he was like, they're cloaked, they're all above above us they're cloaked and well they're scanning and honestly what he was describing was like satellites tapping into all of our phones and listening to

everything we do which is i think actually happening yeah but they don't even need satellites to do that no they get right into the system they can listen to everything you say that's uh gavin becker is a security expert on my podcast. He was explaining that you used to have a clickable link. It used to be a thing you had to click, and then you would accidentally, without your knowledge rather, download some sort of a software that would take over your phone. Now they don't need that. So now they just need your phone number. They get your phone number.

They're just listening to you. They're watching everything you do. They can do whatever they want now. Dude, imagine the stupid conversations that these people have to listen to. Yeah, well, it makes people more aware of how fucking stupid your conversations are if you think they can come up in a trial

with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Oh, my God. That kind of shit, when you realize, like, oh, my God, like, everything you've ever said. And he's now reading, like... Text messages and shit. The vessel I donated my jizz

to by the way he's kind of a poetic guy hell yeah and he was probably uh probably lit yeah he likes to get fucked up so why are we taking this at like these are statements this is like how he really feels about everything seems to be he's pretty universally coming out on top. It seems to be. It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate that those kind of things do happen. But it's probably. We played with him one time.

He's so nice. Well, it's probably good for people to recognize that all kinds of genders are crazy. It doesn't matter. Just because someone is a male doesn't mean they're evil. And since someone is a male doesn't mean they're evil. And since someone's a female doesn't mean they're evil either. And there's crazy people on both sides. And sometimes we all want to automatically assume, like when someone accuses someone of something, automatically assume that this person did it, especially if we'd like to

if it's a famous person. In this situation, it seems like there's a lot of wackiness. So I think it's good to let people look at this kind of stuff and go okay there's crazy people everywhere this this could all be crazy like what what what actually happened here how much coke were you on what were you guys doing how many days you've been up for you you chop your finger off what why were you both recording each other how crazy is that you're both recording each other like this is madness all around yeah totally but also yeah I do think it's a there's a lot of uh yeah that's spy versus spy shit when relationships get bad you know

that's crazy though they're arguing you get so crazy but they're both actors so they're both aware that they're recording and they're acting like they're aware they're recording. It's bananas. It's bananas. It's so bananas because it's like, is this like some really high-level reality TV? Am I being punked? Is this a project? Two actors acting out a horrific breakup?

It sounds like a nightmare. A horrible nightmare. I don't know. The world's fixated. It feels like it sounds common to me. It's very common. Have you seen Blowgate? No, what's that?

Blowgate. There's a video where it appears that she's sniffing something over a napkin. Yeah, yeah. That's so funny. Something to make her cry. I'm scrutinizing every fucking second of this and trying to look for it. Blowgate. I didn't know it had a name.

I think I might have made that up. It seems like there should be a different court system for this. Yeah, it's crazy. This is regular court. It should be like people's court. Dude, imagine if there was a bailiff during this.

Dude, if they had a people's court bailiff during this, just be like, oh, basically our health coach would be like, just Judy. Hell no.

When she was talking, when he was talking about finding her shit on the bed, like, dude, just Judy. Hell no. Yeah. When she was talking, when he was talking about finding her shit on the bed, like, dude, the bailiff would lose his shit in people's court. Is that the best way

to figure out who's right and who's wrong is let them do that? Is it, I mean, is that really the best way? Like, they all just tell their story

and their stories don't match up and people have to figure out who they believe? Dude, they're ultimately, what, there's gonna be a fucking wacky thing to do publicly. It's really weird.

Fucking weird, man. Weird. He sued her and then she countersued him for $100 million. So this lawsuit will go on forever. They'll just keep battling it out. One of them is going to end up with a big yacht, though. Do you think so? No.

What is the best case scenario is that people believe Johnny Depp. That's the best case scenario for him. I think he's probably already achieved that. Dude, all the money that's being made by the advertising

and clickbait should be put into a slush fund and then the winner of the case should get them. Right. That should be like the new thing for divorces. Dude, they're generating

tens of millions of dollars a week right now. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, imagine all the fucking news shows, air quotes, news shows that are covering this.

Oh, yeah. You know? It's entertaining as hell. It's crazy town. It's crazy town and there's no script. Yeah. Johnny comes off

pretty fucking smooth, though. Yeah. Seems like a nice guy. He seems entertained, too. Yeah, yeah. He's a guy who's uh he likes to party yeah seems like he got himself all wrapped up in a bad situation did we we we've hung out with him he's so nice someone someone someone tweeted they when did he when did Johnny Depp start looking like a strip club DJ?

Pretty accurate. I wonder if they're going to put him back on Pirates of the Caribbean. If Disney wanted to reclaim all the stock that they've lost, all the market share they've lost over the last couple months, I guarantee you'd say, fuck it, we're on team Johnny Depp. That would probably pump up their stock market price. Like, literally. Interesting theory.

That would cause their stock to raise. If they, like, just like, you know what, we're bringing Johnny back, we believe him. Hashtag believe most women. Maybe they could cast them both. Together, alongside each other. That's the resolution. Yeah. Look, we know a lot of crazy women are great actors.

Everybody would watch that. Just accept her for who she is. She's crazy. That's the resolution. Yeah. Look, we know a lot of crazy women are great actors. Everybody would watch that. Just accept her for who she is. She's crazy. Everyone would watch that. Yeah, maybe they can fucking shake hands on this and come together. Listen, listen, listen. I've got a better idea. Instead of us suing each other into oblivion, how about we star in a fucking movie about

fellow pirates? Maybe they fall back in love. She's the fucking, she's the bad pirate. And they have to duke it out And eventually they wind up making out They fall in love in real life They fall in love again They kill each other

No, no, no No, they get remarried The real Johnny Depp and the real Amber Heard get remarried During the making of this movie Because they fall in love again While pretending to be in love for this movie Man, that's twisted Maybe not

Maybe it's better What if they're happy, bro? What if they're happy bro what if they're happy what if they're happy what if it works out you know there must have been a spark there to begin with there so i think we could find it again well a lot of those yeah a lot of those crazy gals are a lot of fun and it's one of those things poor poor Johnny oh yeah dude he's talking about like get into a fight then going down to his bar and like pound him like six shots of vodka like yeah it's intense man it's intense yeah he's good friends

with my buddy Stanhope Doug Stanhope and he's um he loves the guy they but they they put down I Oh, I bet. They fucking party. Really? Oh, my God, there's so much lever damage. So much chaos. But he said Johnny Depp was a giant Hunter S. Thompson fan. Part of what he likes is this idea of just like

partying until the wheels fall off. I met Alice Cooper like a year ago. He's friends with a good friend of mine. Him and I went golfing. I sat in the golf cart with him for four hours. It was amazing. That's pretty cool. I mean, he had the best stories of all time.

He said he was in the room when Jimi Hendrix first used a wah-wah pedal. Frank Zappa showed it to him. What? Yeah. And Alice Cooper was there. But he was going on about how Johnny Depp was one of his best friends, super nice guy. They had that band together, the Hollywood Vampires.

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody loves the guy. Have you had Alice Cooper on? No. I'd love to. Holy shit. I'd love to.

Dude, the story's just... Holy shit. You know, he was really good friends with Groucho Marx. cooper no I'd love to holy shit I'd love to do the stories just holy shit you know he was really good friends with Groucho Marx really like tight tight friends with question how yeah he's so you gotta get he's like get it he like said they would get into like watch movies and Groucho's bed together shit that's tight that's like best friend shit. Yeah, like best friend shit. Wow. Yeah. Groucho Marx, you ever see the old ones when you see the actual high-resolution images

where you realize his eyebrows were painted on? Have you ever seen that? Oh, yeah. It's so strange. You look at it. It's like, what is that? It's just paint. My dad played all those movies when I was a kid.

Same. Duck Suit. How genius was that to do that, though? Because it really did make him a cartoonist. Stage makeup. It's Vaudeville. It made him a cartoonist. Vaudeville, yeah.

Groucho was a fucking genius. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They all were. Look at that. Yes. Wow. I remember when Gilbert Godfrey used to do the old Groucho impression.

Remember that? I didn't. I never saw him do that. Wow, I remember when Gilbert Godfrey used to do the old groucho impression remember that I Didn't I never saw him do that You bet your life Wow That's some errors right there son. Yeah, I was just in Phoenix. He's got a groucho shirt on Yeah, the Marx Brothers I mean those first early comedy movies oh my god yeah my god it's it's a wild thing that Alice Cooper is around and those were you know like it's like the chain of connecting the two those fucking movies were completely innovative there's nothing anything ever

anything like that all sudden you got a movie a comedy duo movie you know comedy trio in that sense. Yeah there'd be no Mel Brooks without the Marx Brothers. Right or Laurel and Hardy. I was thinking of Laurel and Hardy when I was thinking of Laurel and Hardy. I love Three Stooges. Yeah Three Stooges. All those guys like all those early

movies man. My son loves Three Stooges. Oh same. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So so much fun it just resonates with kids it was so goofy it's so violent they're always hitting each other and i liked shemp too yeah so i didn't like curly joe though that's where i drew the line yeah what happened one of them dying yeah curly curly died right the early he was the superstar he was the fucking superstar yeah shemp was like you can't replace Crowley with Shemp. Right?

Well, you know what? He was one of their brothers, I think, too. Oh, was he? He was actually one of their brothers. Yeah. But I liked him. Dude, my allegiance to the Stooges would change every couple days. But weren't there like two other ones after?

Then it got suspect. Then they're like, the guys are really really old Joe can't hit each other like these yeah what's that Joe Besser and Joe Dorito who are those guys yeah that's curly Joe it's like some of the later members of kiss this would be Joe Dorito Larry Moe and curly old mo looks in 1959 look how old Moe looks in 1959. Wow. That's in 59? Yeah, it doesn't matter. What year did they start? Early 30s?

Yeah. Larry Fine from Philly. 34? Wow. That's even when they were in Columbia. It's 42. It's the 20s. Ted Healy and his Stooges is what they were called.

The Three Stooges again in 1922. Dude, this guy i know he took me he had like this like recording studio in the lower east side it was he's like an after hours party he took me he's like to this thing with some other people and like he walked into the apartment building up to like the second floor there's like a hidden door opened up to this like hidden vaudeville theater from the 20s it was just amazing to the east village lorries side of new york just just such crazy history there wow crazy old theaters like that you go into those old vaudeville style theaters like it's just a feel like you feel the experience is almost burned into the walls oh yeah

absolutely you know the the rhyman's like that You know where you guys are where they did the Grand Ole Opry that place is like there's you walk in that building Like whoo. Yeah, there's ghosts there. It's burned into the walls. It's like Experiences people's good times are burned into the walls of that place. We had a good theater in downtown Akron the Civic yeah Still there. With the stars and the clouds that would slowly move. Oh, wow. So it felt like you're inside a castle.

Oh, wow. It's cool. We almost got kicked out of the Ryman the first time we played there. How come? This is it? That's the Civic. Fuck, that's dope. So that ceiling rotates?

No, it's projected, I think. Oh. And slowly the clouds move and the stars twinkle. Oh, wow. I just remember being a kid there and being absolutely mesmerized. Wow. So they've been doing it that way for a long time. I wonder how they did that back in the day with a projector.

I saw Tom Waits there, too. Fucking amazing. How the fuck did they do that way back then with a projector? They had projectors that good back then? I don't know how they did it, man. Pretty dope. Yeah, something about those old places that just have experienced so many different shows. They really do feel different.

They have like a feel to them. So many of them were torn down, man. It's crazy to think about all the crazy shit that's been built and torn down. I watched this thing about the Vanderbilt mansions in New York. Like, dude, these crazy opulent houses that would have cost like a billion dollars to build. Just tear it down, like put like a Dwayne Reed. Oh, fuck. So insane.

When did they do this? Dude, they tore them all down a long time ago, like in the 30s. Oh my God. Put up some bullshit. Now it's all like, you know, yeah, who fucking knows. It's a raised pizza.

Raised number one. There's certain places that, why don't they qualify for historical protection? There's certain places, if you go to Hollywood and you pass by the Comedy Store the Comedy Store is like a historical place It should be like in a book somewhere like you can't fuck with it like leave it alone

Like that's a historical play there should be a few of those We need like a few bars a few perform like the whiskey imagine they turn the whiskey into like a drugstore You'd be like aren't they is it the whiskey or is that the Roxy something's about to get turned into something really the CBGB say you know that's gone rip that yeah but the Roxy is right next door to that famous rainbow bar and grill right are they gonna treat it I think that's the one that's get is that the one that's getting converted to something because there's the whiskey on that street and the Roxy. The Roxy's right next to the rainbow. I think that's where Kinison filmed his first HBO special, too.

Dude, we used to go to the rainbow when we first started going to L.A. And Lemmy from Motorhead would just always be at the little video game machine in the corner. Just sit there and watch this rock to like pound Roman Koch's playing this game that was their spot that was their spot man yeah pretty fucking decent food pizza's pretty good not bad fun spot to hang out but it was always like right there old rock guys it was always old rock guys we were there yeah one time Jason Bonham was there he came up to me he didn't know who he was just like at the bar in town for some something he's like first time i came here i ordered a steak and got my dick

sucked up under the table i was like what the fuck i I was like, you're really drinking Diet Cokes. That rock star world. Dude, back in the 80s, yeah. Insane. The 80s were the cocaine days too, right? Like, that's the Miami Vice days. That's when people were going crazy. Dude, every old rock star guy, they're always like, oh my God, I'm so glad cell phones weren't around when we were doing this shit. The Viper Room.

What? No! Drugs, Dolls, and Johnny Depp. The Viper Room's demolition is the end of a Hollywood era. That's not fair. What are they doing? That's not smart, kids. Oh, you gotta register to keep reading.

I feel the same way about recording studios there's so few classic studios that still exist and when you when you go into a real old cool studio it's so amazing well I would imagine for you guys it's also like the comic store is to me, it's like a historic thing. There's a long part of your craft, your art is tied up in a building like that. I never get tired of like going to Motown studios when we go to Detroit. I mean, it blows my mind. I love it in there. Yeah. Can't get enough of that shit.

We went to Stax. First time we went to Memphis. Abbey Road. We made a record at Muscle Shoals Sound. Wow. Before they made the documentary and stuff, it was just a rundown piece of shit building. Nothing worked in there.

The guy that bought it lived in the basement. It was so trippy and weird. We were in there. This is 2009. There was nothing to do nothing worked and we ended up making a record

Brothers there and it was the first record that it was the first platinum record made there in like 30 fucking years

and they made that documentary they never even mentioned ours they should preserve those places they should they should do something

to preserve. Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Trace bought it or donated a bunch of money, and now it's like... It looks like it did in 1969. It's been restored. It's been restored. It wasn't like that when we were there. It was so fucked up.

They did a good job. It looks amazing. Nice. The nickname of the place was the Burlap Palace because all the walls were burlap. The little movable walls were all burlap, and they were all the walls were burlap little movable walls were all burlap and they're all bright 60s colors you know wow only one speaker worked in the control room so like we we've made that record in mono yeah wow but that city's magical muscle shoals there's so many hits

came out of that small town it's what do you think is? Like how does something like that happen? Yeah, that's the building. I mean, there's all kinds of legends, you know, about some Native American spirits and the river. Let me see that inside again, Jamie, that picture right there. Yeah. Damn, there's something cool about that. That's in the basement there. There's a room in the basement. So that's where you hang out in those rooms to the side of the record no that's where

the guys lived i guess we never went down in the basement he lived here i went there was one room in the basement look at that that's the control room see like space-aged angle that's dope there's footage of the rolling stones recording like wild horses yeah and there you can see jim dickinson in that couch up front they were just like getting fucked up Eddie Hinton slept on that couch all the time apparently Wow it's got so much history I mean that's obviously part of it too and that's such a famous facade so many photographs taken it was a casket warehouse was it i don't know see that just seems like it absolutely should be preserved there's there's places like it has been thankfully but there's so many places places that just

that's disappear that's the updated working uh facility now like it's a super communist thing to say you shouldn't be allowed to sell it But it's almost like that's like bigger than people That's like we loved being there I would imagine man. We were so inspired just being there So there's how many of those across the country that are on that level of fewer and fewer every year every year one major studio closes New York City doesn't even i mean new york city had the the cadillac recording studios all over and they're just like they don't have them anymore no they just really don't exist anymore electric ladies like the spot but that you know that was like open like a month before hendrix died and some good great

has been made there but it's no i mean like earlier kind of golden age yeah it's not like golden ages yeah that's the cool thing about abbey road you go in there and i mean nothing's changed really it's amazing they let like we went we recorded a little tv show there once a british show where like they set up in the beatles room and you know do your thing. They had that echo chamber where they said they would go and smoke weed before the takes and stuff. Does it feel weird to be walking around where the Beatles were hanging out? Oh yeah, of course.

What does it feel like? I mean, to be in the studio, to walk the stairs, there's one tiny little staircase that you have to go up and down to go to the control room. So you'd play, run up the stairs to go listen to playback. We were to the control room. So you'd play, run up the stairs to go listen to playback. We were doing the same routine. Wow.

It's just amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. Imagine if you could see it in a documentary, if they showed you them doing it, and then you guys doing it years later, going down the same stairs, you know, in the same legendary building. There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake,

and he has this concept that he promotes called morphic resonance. And part of it is that, like, I'm going to butcher this. Part of it is that everything has, like, some sort of memory to it. Everything does, including, like, objects have memories. It's one of the reasons i think about what recording studios yeah have like those magical moments that were one take one of a kind moments and you everybody was there like reveling in it like fuck yeah and that's like burned into the walls and countless hours of that with decade after decade with different kinds of musicians

and different different backgrounds and different fucking styles and burned into the walls i definitely i you know definitely kind of like to believe in that there's been some i've never been in like a room that i thought was like pretty like haunted but i've been around like objects that are like at least like felt like there's something you know going on with it yeah like especially certain instruments you know like it not like it's like there's a you hold it you can tell something you know or some freaky ass fucking furniture or something. I don't believe in ghosts, but I don't not believe in ghosts. I'm with you. You know, if there really were ghosts, like if it's a very rare occurrence that something pops over

from the dimension of the dead for a quick second or two and freaks you out and pops back over, I don't think that would be weird. I think life is weird. The whole thing. The fact that we come out of vaginas, the fact that we have a finite lifespan, the fact that we're hurling through infinity on a spinning rock, all those things. How the fuck would ghosts be any weirder than the reality of

life? Like every now and then when someone dies, they leave like behind an echo and that echo, you see it like running across the field and you can't believe your eyes that's why is that weird being alive is weird ghost ghost ain't shit we're with you man you know I do feel like whatever whenever I've been around something that felt like kind of supernatural and you know like the memory of it this gets distorted and changed like very quickly oh yeah it's like what the fuck did I just see and then you're like you diminish it in your mind like oh that was you rationalize what it was and your blimp the blimp story yeah yeah what if you didn't notice that it was a blimp what if you really freaked out and you ran into the bathroom for the rest of your life you had a story

about almost being abducted when you were a kid well that's totally possible i was driving in ohio at dusk once and um i saw this fucking huge ball of fires flaming flying through the fucking air just like it was insane and i stopped my car in the middle of the road and like everybody started honking at me like you should get go you know go i think what the fuck this is a giant flaming ball flying over northeast Ohio. This is like 2001. And I told everybody I saw this thing. And it was like, no, man. And then the next day there was a little blurb in the newspaper.

Other people had seen this thing. But it was like, now when I talk about it, what the fuck was it? It was so jarring. Jarring. Yeah. That your memory is distorted. I've had a lot of things like that. Sure.

Anything that's supernatural. When I was in the woods once in Alberta, I saw a wolf. I thought it was a wolf. For a second, it was a squirrel. I was like, I saw a wolf. I thought first I saw gray moving quickly, and I thought maybe it was something behind those trees and larger, and I was only seeing a piece.

No, it was running on the log. And it was just gray. I was like, okay. But for a second, not even a second, but whatever the initial thing is, I literally thought I was seeing a wolf. And then I realized it was a squirrel. There's this show called The Jules Holland Show. It's a British show and bands play live.

And we played it the first time. And Paul McCartney was on it playing. And I called my dad afterwards. I was like i just just met a beetle and he's like what was he like i think how man he's like tall and like my image of paul mccartney was instantly distorted than to what was actually actually saw i was just like damn like what the fuck are you talking about i was like his head was big. Literally, my brain, like Saul Paul McCartney, was just like larger than life. The thing about the alien abduction thing is the same thing as the night terror thing.

It all comes from people laying down. It all comes, like a giant percentage of these stories come from either people that are asleep in a car or fall asleep in a car or people that are asleep at their home. And I think there's probably something to all these chemicals that your brain produces that create dreams.

And that people, when they're going into that little realm, when they're sleeping, there's some fucking sketchy times in there and you can convince yourself that you're getting transported through fucking walls but that makes sense but it doesn't remove the possibility that there really are aliens here either because if i was an alien i would for sure watch us i'm a human and i can't take my eyes off johnny depp and amber heard imagine if you're from

another planet and you were trying to pay attention to how fucked up we are. Like, look at these people. Look at this fucking disaster they have going on here. Oh my God, they're over the fucking brink of war for almost nothing. Or if you were intelligent enough to hurl yourself light years away

from your own planet, you might show up here and be like, man, everyone's a complete idiot. But then again, that's what we like to watch that on TV. Yeah, and when I say the brink of war for almost nothing, what I mean is that it didn't have to happen. This is like Russia doing that, invading Ukraine. There's no reason to do that.

The whole thing is insane that we're that close to a hot war again. It freaks me the fuck out all the time because i'm like this doesn't have to happen this totally didn't have to happen this is it's not like somebody launched missiles at you like there's been some back and forth this is an invasion that's what's so weird about it watching a country get invaded by russia is like whoa it's odd man it's fucking weird and i think it ramps up the normal level of anxiety of people like many points i know it does mine because i'm like you know it's been a while nothing seems to have happened i'm like you

can get real comfortable like thinking it's going to be fine nothing's going to happen it's all a bunch of bluster and then all all of a sudden, boom, boom. We were on tour in Europe in 2014 when that airliner got shot down over Ukraine. Yeah. It made me feel really weird. Still, does anybody know what happened there? I don't know what the true story is because you have an explanation, an official explanation. I think they said it was an accident. Isn't that what they said?

By who? I don't know like that's what I'm saying I mean I'm sure there's some information about it but I don't I'm not aware of it are you aware of it you know what do you remember the story I don't I remember it happening when we were there that's what I mean I didn't remember until you just mentioned that every country is run by a bunch of fucking psychos. They're all trying to out-psycho each other. If we just all get along here. It's weird when you're far away from home and something crazy happens.

Oh, yeah. It's really. Well, how about those people that got on the road when 9-11 happened and they couldn't get home because there was no flying. Yeah. I know people that were like renting cars and driving all the way across the country because there was a time period of a I don't remember how many days where they there was no flying it was like a week at least I think because I saw something flying when it happened

in Akron it's one it's one of those things where it's one of those memories it's just like all distorted but it was during the no fly zone whatever the fuck was going on it was right over uh it was near um lorraine ohio which is where the faa headquarters where they track all the flights are oh wow i was driving my girlfriend back to college she went to overland college and uh this was like middle of nowhere same road actually where i saw this flaming ball like literally like it was like a day later or something It's nighttime. I was driving and I saw like this light hovering above a house And I said what the fuck is that as driving the Ford Escort?

You know stick shift, and I put it into neutral And roll down the windows and I was looking at this fucking thing hovering above this house a couple hundred feet above it Just like what the fuck is it scared the shit I mean I was like turn I think my girlfriend at the time had a cell phone I turn yourself on like this is not this isn't normal I don't know what the fuck it is the minute her like next tell logo popped up the thing just not in like a supernatural crazy speed but fast as fuck and silently it just left so the moment her cell phone came on it left left do you think it was a drone do you think it's like some experimental aircraft they're working on i mean the drones didn't exist in 2001 that i knew of but if i think back it was something like that had open well i don't know when drones were invented do

you know when drones were invented i bet they were around i bet for sure they're around military versions of them right for sure yeah i like when all this stuff would happen when tom delong came to our show and really freaked me out i ended up getting in touch with someone who worked for like the department of energy whoa how's that conversation go basically basically they were like the amount of money that the government spends on technology is so astounding that there's technology created like every year that's like um harmful because it will destabilize the world jeez and like the fact that it, you can't even acknowledge that it exists, but every country kind of has it.

And these things are so fucking terrifying. Oh my God. That you can't even talk about them existing. So the idea of disinformation, that it's an alien or something, that's what this person was saying. But they were like, if you have to figure that there's like 500 billion or whatever it is,

dollars spent on military and 60% of it or something is like black projects, no one even knows where it's going. They're just like, yeah. And if you think about the amount of money that we've spent on military, it's kind of insane. But then that's when I realized, oh yeah, the world we live in, and that's where I kind of had this thing where I was like, oh, no shit. We tax ourselves to pay the money back to ourselves.

It's like we've created our own inferno of cash to keep the economy where it is. We have such a large economy because we're spending our own money on our own so there's like oh okay i'm very concerned about where all this goes because i i wonder if like our reliance on technology as well as like these these weapons that they're developing that can go faster than the speed of sound by many times. It can take turns. And who knows what else they have. Who knows what anti-matter weapons with fucking super nukes.

The deep fake stuff? Everyone's like, oh, it's funny. They can make Tom Cruise. Anybody like Tom Cruise, like that's like so good. Oh, yeah, it's funny. But hey, that's like it's already out. They've been doing that. Forever. Forever.

Forever. Yeah. Kendrick Lamar just released a video like today or yesterday. It's just all deep fakes. Wow. It's crazy. What is it him doing? It's just him turning into different people.

Whoa. Jussie Smollett. Whoa. Will Smith. Yeah, we're not going to have any idea what's true. It looks so real. Unless you take the brain chip. With the brain chip, we're all going to be fine.

We'll be synced up together. There'll be no lying. Do it for everyone else. Get the brain chip. Come on, Pat. Yeah. Get the brain chip. I think we're going to become aliens.

And I'm not kidding. Is this Kendrick Lamar's video? Oh, whoa. Oh, my God. That's crazy. That is so weird. That is so good. Look how good it is now.

Oh, my God. It's Kanye. I mean, how good is this technology now? It's insane. It's a lot better than when Snoop Dogg morphed into the Doberman Pinscher. Yeah, I remember that. It's almost perfect. It's almost perfect, right?

Like maybe if it was like really well lit and in high resolution, you'd be able to detect some weirdness. But as the way it's lit here, it's perfect. Look at that Will Smith. That's so strange. God, that Will Smith. That's so strange. God, that's crazy. That's so strange. Yeah.

It's terrifying. Well, how long before we can actually make one of those? Like make a person that you see on television. Like I like you. I'm going to make one just like you. Keep it in my house. Like what the fuck, man? How long before that happens where they can make artificial versions of a person?

I think they'll have a reasonable facsimile of a human being in about 30 or 40 years. They'll be fake people. I like the conspiracy theory that Elon bought Twitter so that he could perfect his AI. I don't know if it's a good – who knows? I don't know. I don't know if it's a good who knows I don't know I think what he really wants to do is try to balance out the idea that people should be able to speak I think so I think that's the real thing but maybe he's working on a I do hmm yeah both can be true both could be true what do you when you're talking about AI

though like what should they do should they not do AI at all because it's eventually going to be smarter than us and take over or should they get ahead of it to figure out how to stop it from taking over the world before it does it's beyond my pay grade I can't even

does not compute the big fear is that artificial intelligence is going to become sentient. It's going to make its own decisions and decide that we're irrelevant and just eliminate us. We cause problems

where we're shutting the power off on it and trying to kill it. With Skydeck, Cubs Online. Yeah. That might be... Look, Elon's scared of that shit. When someone as smart as him is scared of that shit,

I start thinking about it. I agree. That's what I'm worried about with all this Pentagon UFO type stuff. It's really just some drones, some things they've been developing. My favorite thing was, you know, people were talking about Russian disinformation,

propaganda on social media, and I'm like, wait, the whole thing is fucked with. Like everything, you know, like I don't know. Every side is being fucked with. Yeah, everything is fucked with. Yeah. Propaganda is all. That's why social media, like to me,

yesterday was Mother's Day and I was just like, man, like this is, I feel guilty not posting something about my own mom, but what do I... The whole thing is confusing. Then you sit there and you see people posting about Ukraine, and it's like, what the fuck? I honestly just don't... I just feel like people are compelled to...

Some sort of algorithm is compelling people to... I don't know. Take sides, get involved in shit. I think that that's all part of it you know i mean like to really feel strongly about something like that maybe someone otherwise wouldn't be like someone i've never mentioned i've heard mentioned like ukraine or something now like posting the thing wearing the pin like i don't know i mean the u.s just invaded like a couple countries and destroyed them and no a friend of mine was in the military and he went to you know he's part of the Iraq war multiple tours over there he's like that that was like the most pointless fucking

thing the US has ever done he's like Afghanistan worthwhile but the Iraq thing was very bizarre well the fact that so many people thought there was actually weapons of mass destruction over there and there weren't, but it's, you know, there's no arguing that Saddam Hussein was a terrible person either though. No. It's so confusing.

But if you wanna become the policeman for the world, we're gonna get in a lot of fights. There's a lot of fights out there to be had. Like unless someone knows the avengers i don't think this is a good idea this seems yeah it doesn't seem like a good idea yeah we could barely keep it together over here we're holding on tooth and claw to democracy over here yeah that's that's why i've always felt like whenever you know there's it's just like it's so easy to be a hypocrite not to the point i don't want to be like too cynical where it's like you shouldn't feel

anything about anything but like there's always another side to it there's always something else going on and when you see something like russia invading and ukraine it's hard to then also like look at you know they just the human rights violations are all around the world you know and that we're buying our phones from places that are you know you know basically you know having almost forced labor i i don't know it's it's too much for me to process yeah but i do think like uh i do think there's mass manipulation just in general social media you know you saw like it's like it's guilty before innocent and it's just harsh and the whole thing like watching what happened to you the last couple months was just like

ridiculous um and infuriating and i got into so many arguments about it because like i listened to your show pretty religiously i love the fact that you highlight so many different points of view and um i never took the show as being like anti whatever anti-vax anti-vax no and and to hear people like close to me saying oh yeah it's like horse glue or whatever the fuck you know horse dewormer and this i was like you know what that's actually ridiculous because he must not listen to the show because he just, that's not really what the message has been about. But I think that there's a lot of that, man.

People just get on board and don't understand the whole fucking situation all the time. Well, people were scared. It was in the middle of a pandemic and the anxiety was higher than ever. And when they felt that someone was being an idiot, they were very aggressive about it. it became a different way of communicating and if someone wants to push a narrative that you're taking veterinary medicine and

they just get it out there it gets out there and all these people go God and then they just respond and then you get chaos you know I took a series of medications that my doctor prescribed and they worked And I was better in a few days. Made for some good memes. Yeah. Made for some good memes. But it was only one of the things that I took. I took monoclonal antibodies, too.

I said that, too. I said that in all of it. But you come to realize it's not about news. It's not about telling the truth. It's about these weird narratives that are trying to get to move people in one direction or the other. And it's shocking how easy it is to get people to move. Oh. It's weird.

It's very weird. Weird how easy it is to get people to comply, even if it's for their own good. I'm not saying it's not. But it's weird how so many people barked at the people behind them, barked at the people that were noncompliant. How many people, like in L.A., they were actually giving you money to snitch on people? Holy shit. Yeah, they were telling you they were actually giving you money to snitch on people? Holy shit. Yeah, they were telling you they'll give you money

if you snitch on your neighbors who are having parties when they're not supposed to have parties. Like, what kind of fucking Orwell world are you willing to accept just for this one thing? Like, if this is a test run to see how people respond to a real pandemic,

a real terrifying one, like the Spanish flu or like the Black Plague or something crazy. Well, guess what? We've got an F. We got an F on one that doesn't even, I mean, it's mostly old people and people with comorbidities and, you know, some young people, but it's not as bad as the Black Plague. It's not as bad as the black plague it's not as bad as bubonic plague and all these different fucking diseases that ravaged

humanity smallpox killed 90% of the Native Americans I mean if one of those fucking hits us shit it's not to be with all this democracy as we know it, it's going to evaporate. If you go to L.A. tomorrow for the first time in a long time. L.A.'s making a comeback. It's like slowly relaxing. L.A.'s just heightened state of anxiety is still a little above Nashville for sure. Yeah. They're coming back to normal.

Yeah, I'm curious to see what the scene's like. Haven't been there in a minute. No. Be careful out there. It's wild. The West is wild again. We're playing at the Troubadour. Oh, that's a great spot. Dude, you know what's crazy?

Tom DeLonge said to me, I just remembered. He said to me, he's like, within 60 or 90 days, this was early October 2019, he's like, in 60 to 90 days, this was like early October 2019, he's like, in 60 to 90 days, something's going to happen that's going to change the world forever in a very, very profound way. And I'm like, what? He's like, just mark my words. And then, like, dude, when I first started seeing, like, videos of the Wuhan lockdown, I was like, what the fuck?

Like, you could say that literally any other time in my life and, like, okay, 9-11, right? But no other time would it life and like okay 9-11 right but no other time would it be like that and he was like was in 60 to 90 days why was he being so cryptic about what it was going to be i don't know but he he said that he had information and like that you know the virus hit like early december so he was he was right Matt I doubt he thinks of anything other than UFOs I don't know maybe that's why I don't know the right does he he's not like interested in other conspiracies as well is he I don't know he's pretty much all in on the UFO one I don't know man but he did say that

to me what if he's right what if he's right? What if he's right? He was convincing to the point where I was on stage in front of 15,000 people having an existential crisis. They're like, what's it mean? Why do I even play this show? There's aliens watching this, everything's. Well that's what freaked me out the most about Communion, the idea that they could be so intelligent and so able to avoid our detection

that they could just capture you at any time and take you and no one would know and everyone's paralyzed and everyone, you know, everyone's memory gets erased. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just remember checking books out from the library when I was a kid and just like Because you know being really little and just scaring the shit myself. Oh, yeah, there's there's the tall whites. There's the reptilians

Yeah, they all lived there's the grays men in black. There's the men in black as like It might be real but goddamn it's fun it's's fun. It's our boogeyman. It's our monster. I was so cynical by the time I was like 13 when X-Files came out. I was like, this is disinformation. Straight up. And forget about it. When Men in Black came out, I was like, give me a fucking break.

They're getting us ready. Getting us ready. How much of Bob Lazar talking have you listened to? I've saw him on here. I've seen a few things. What did you think? You have a good bullshit detection. Yeah.

I mean, I love the idea that there's thousands and thousands. Like they found in an archaeological site. Yeah. I love the idea. It's a great plot. It's a great plot. I'd see that movie. I have seen that movie, I feel like. Yeah. I think so. A few times. It's a great plot. It's a great plot. I'd see that movie. I have seen that movie, I feel like.

Yeah. I think so. A few times. It's called Planet of Apes. He was saying this in 1989? Hmm. The part that blows my mind is, wasn't his wife, like, having an affair, right?

This is what happened. He had top secret clearance because he was working at s4 on some propulsion system he claims that was back engineering a ufo to have the kind of clearance that he had to work on that they had to constantly monitor his phone they found out that his wife was having an affair so they had to terminate his employment he couldn't get an answer as to why they terminated his employment so then he would take his friends like look I'm telling you I was working on fucking UFOs

So he takes his friend to this mountain they film it they get arrested because you're not supposed to be out there and then he Goes on the news because he thinks they're gonna kill him So he goes on the news and tells everybody that he was working on back engineered UFOs And I was only doing this because he wants to get this out because otherwise they're gonna kill him So he has to talk about it So he tells his story and this work it's weird because he's been get this out because otherwise they're going to kill him. So he has to talk about it. So he tells his story, and this is where it gets weird, because he's been consistent with the story. He tells it exactly the same way for 30 fucking years.

Yeah, I mean, I believe, I'm more inclined to believe it than like the lumberjack that disappeared four days ago. That guy, that's Travis Walton. Yeah, I know. jack to disappear four days ago that guy that's travis walton yeah dude yeah i know he's from he's from uh near where my wife's from in arizona he didn't seem like he was neither you know i don't know man i don't know either i don't know but it's fun i'm i want to believe i'll tell you that that's what scares me about it i don't want to think that we're the only ones

that i want to i want to think that it that something way smarter is watching us the whole time and things beyond your imagination are taking place in the cosmos. That's what I want to think. Well, people believe, you know, I mean, like the other day, someone just like without any, they totally believe this. They're talking about Murfreesboro, which is a town near Nashville. Like, yeah, some guy there invented a car that runs on water it's on display like matter of fact that's the world we live in that guy believes that someone vented a car

that runs on water and it's just like on display there was a guy who invented a car that walked on water that went to a restaurant said they poisoned me they killed many died yeah you know You hear about that guy? Yeah, this is like... I need to know if this is true. It is true. It happened outside of Columbus in Grove City. So this guy did... But did they ever prove that his water engine actually

works? Oh, that part of it. Because he said he developed an engine that ran on water. We no longer need to use oil for engines. Here's an article. I didn't read through this yet. I'm just saying I just pulled it up. It seems a tad suspicious, lad. It's the local newspaper.

After more than 20 years of research and tinkering, it was time to celebrate. Stanley Allen Meyer, his brother, and two Belgian investors raised glasses in the Grove City Cracker Barrel on March 20, 1998. Meyer said his invention could do what physicists said is impossible, turn water into hydrogen fuel effectively enough to drive his dune buggy cross-country on 20 gallons straight from the tap. He took a sip of cranberry juice,

then grabbed his neck and bolted out the door, dropped to his knees, and vomited violently. I ran outside and asked him what's wrong. His brother Stephen Meyer recalled. He said, they poisoned me. That was his dying declaration. He had no assistants or nobody else he worked with? Well, it sounds like he was a broke guy who came up with an amazing invention. Or this is all bullshit.

It could easily be this is all bullshit. Yeah, I mean, who orders cranberry juice fuck people with utis yeah what do you have a uti that's like a yeah that's a that's a that's a beverage for someone in recovery yeah it's an odd choice yeah like give me something that tastes like shit please people like vodka cranberry don't they that's like it's a common beverage i mean like in the 80s. Yeah, so that might have been true, that the guy might have actually had. Listen, all I do know is, we should probably wrap this up.

And I had a great fucking time with you guys, as always. Thank you again for amazing music. Your new album is out, what day is it again? It's out Friday the 13th. it's out friday the 13th friday oh shit yeah friday the 13th dropout boogie thanks for having us on thank you my pleasure it was awesome and this album is fucking awesome and here's a tour and the tour is um is that on your website yep oh you guys are all over the place Nice All All available online Is it blackkeys.com

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