The Joe Rogan Experience - #1819 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: May 17, 2022

Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, and host of the podcast “Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.” His latest book, “Endure: How to Work Hard, Outlast, and Keep Hammering,” is out on May 17. http://www.cameronhanes.com/

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day and cameron haynes author yeah how's it feel to be an author you've actually been an author for a long time though yeah but it's backcountry bow hunting when did you write that not really those didn't really count those are were like bowhunting books. So it's like, I mean, I guess it counts, but it's different than, this is an actual book book. This is a real book. Yeah. Endure.

It's from a real publisher. Yeah, exactly. It's legit. The other ones weren't really like that. I've had two other books. Backcountry bowhunting trophy, or wait, bowhunting trophy Black Tail was in in 1999 and backcountry bow hunting was in 2006 And then this one is tomorrow, which is today if you're listening to this it's coming out today. It's endure and It's got that face of you from when you're a moose hunting you have that yeah, that's a manliest

Manliest photo with a cheek cut and the blood trickling down your face. When you had that, when the blood was trickling down your face, were you like, ooh, get some pictures? No. Because it's pretty fucking manly. So Roy wasn't up there. That was Roy and I's last hunt. But he wasn't up there yet. And I was going through these alders, snow covered, pretty foggy. And it was weird.

When you're fighting through alders, they're slapping you in the face and things like that. And I slipped. And there's one that was broke, and it was kind of sharp. And I slipped, and it went right on my cheek. And I was thinking to myself at that time, I'm like, could have taken out an eye. That would have been great. But it just did that. There it is.

Come on, Ben. That's probably one of the most badass pictures a person's ever taken. So I got up. Thank you. Self person's ever taken. So I got up. Thank you. Selfie. And I got up there, and then I got to the top and was kind of looking around, and you see it's kind of foggy back there. And then I didn't know I actually had blood.

Did you, like, look at it in a selfie to find the blood? Yeah, I had my phone, and I looked. I was like, oh, okay, cool. Stamp a shot of that. And press all the fellas back home yeah well it turned in it's it's meaningful because it was an amazing hunt it was a hard hunt and it was Roy and I had you know it was a hunt we always it's what we love to do hard cold miserable grizzly bears long pack killed a good bull um just and this is the for people who don't know

um roy was your good friend who got you into bow hunting who died shortly afterwards he fell while uh sheep hunting and fell to his death which is a lot more common than i thought it was i was talking to someone about people falling while sheep hunting and you're saying like it happens every year yeah it's uh what I've noticed because there's a lot of guys I look up to because of their mountain abilities and or hunting or just they're just I don't know just people I look up to if you spend a lot of times in the mount a lot of time in the mountains there's risk and you know eventually it only takes one and those kind of mountains like the mountains, there's risk. And, you know, eventually it only takes one. And those kinds of mountains, like the sheep hunting mountains are very steep. It's rugged

terrain and it's snowy and cliff. Sometimes, sometimes where Roy fell, it was dry at that time. And it was just, it was just one cause there's a dry side of the mountain. And then on the North side or the other side, it's cooler. so there's more snow and the ice, as you mentioned. Like where I killed my sheep on that same hunt in 2008, that was on the cold side. Where he fell on the warm side, it was dry, but it's so steep, and it just takes one mistake. And, you know, he'd been up there for years. Remy Warren was on the podcast a couple weeks ago, and he was telling me a story about sheep hunting that he was guiding, actually.

And he was guiding this woman, and she killed a sheep, but it fell on this, like, ledge on a cliff. And so he figured, you know, I'll just climb over there and knock it loose. And then he climbed over there and knocked it loose and then basically had a panic attack and he realized like how steep it was and how very dangerous it was and then when he got back the woman was screaming and cussing and hitting him you know don't you ever fucking do that again like right you're scared she was terrified because he almost died I mean he was like this the most scared I've

ever been while like climbing around on something. What the hardest thing for me is climbing up is way different than trying to come down. Yes. And you can feel, and gravity's kind of keeping you against the rocks a little bit.

It's just different. You're climbing up, you're looking for handholds and footholds, but coming down, you can't see. Everything changes. Yeah. That's what he said.

That was the thing, is him trying to make his way back. He made his way over there, but making his way back, he's like, oh, my God, I can't go back the way I came. He had to go all the way up and then crest over the top, and that was the only way he could do it. Thank God that was possible. Thank God it was possible because he didn't know it was possible. Yeah, I mean, if he would have had to try to come down something that sketchy.

What the fuck? Yeah. Jesus Christ. And, you know, falling. Yeah. Falling there. Rocks. It doesn't take a long fall to be dangerous.

I was reading about this guy who died in front of his family recently on a vacation. He was cliff diving and he decided to try to just make this crazy jump and he didn't jump far enough. And he hit the rocks and his family was filming him oh my god yeah i fuck cliff diving yeah those people are out of their minds and you know it's like people do things for these for these like quick little weird thrills and i just i don't understand it for the life of me maybe it's because I know so many people that have gotten hurt doing Dangerous things that I think are maybe more worthwhile. Yeah, like hunting or like, you know, there's a reward Yeah, but like when we talked to Andy stump Andy that

Goddamn psychopath. Mm-hmm. He's so crazy. He's always like sending me like videos of him skydiving. Don't you want to try this? I'm like no No, that's even yeah, but he's in the squirrel suit also suits the scariest. Yeah. Yeah He's always like sending me like videos of him skydiving. Don't you want to try this? I'm like, no, no. That's even, yeah. But he's in the squirrel suit also. The squirrel suit's the scariest. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, just amazing. But yeah, people need that. That thrill makes them feel alive, I think. I don't get it. I'm good. Yeah. I like, I like if there's, if I'm doing something, if it's an activity, if I'm hunting grizzly or hunting buffalo or something like that.

Right. I'll take the risk. Yeah. But, yeah, just risk for risk. It's a little different. There's a different kind of a thrill being in the wild. It's weird. It's hard to describe when people, like, say to me, like,

why do you like hunting? You know, not just for the meat, not just because it's difficult to do, but there's a thing about being in the real wild. Like when we're in the mountains in Utah and you know there's big cats out there. I told you I saw that giant cat last year. When you know they're out there too, there's like an extra crackle in the air. It's like every way you walk, it's like you're looking around. And now that I

know, now that I saw one, like within 30 yards, now I've just got like a totally different feeling about it. Because I always knew they were there. But then when you see one, and that's not even the scariest. The scariest is grizzlies. Seeing a grizzly bear, I mean, I saw one with Jen up in Alberta, but it wasn't even a big one. It was like six feet away. But just the way he looked at me, I was like, oh, my God. They look at you so different. Yeah, that stare means something.

I mean, you know what they're capable of because to them, that's all they do. They're measuring risk, reward, and they're calculating. Yeah. reward yeah and it's they're calculating yeah um sometimes but but that i mean that unpredictability that's what when you're in the in grizzly country like in alaska especially at night you know that's where you feel very vulnerable in your tent and knowing that those things are out there they could be close that's tough this is a thin piece of cloth between you and a fucking 900 pound enormous animal yeah has been killing things its whole life that um that was the biggest thing one of my first i think it was the very first trip i took to alaska with roy he had moved up there and we went to kodiak island just got dropped off and uh we split up cause we like to, you know, call the shots,

do our own thing, just looking for adventure. Mostly neither one of us wanted at that time, we were pretty competitive. So if we saw an animal, we both wanted to kill it. So to eliminate that problem, we just split up good luck and then go make, make our own luck. Um, but at night, because it would get dark, you're hunting the rut, which is late in the year, the year say late October early November it gets dark at I think four in the afternoon and then it doesn't get light till I mean it's I think it's dark 17 hours oh wow and you're just in this little tent and there's brown bear on Kodiak Island and uh you're just hunkered down. And what do you do? Hoping. Yeah.

It's a long night. And those, you know, I saw one the first time there. And it looked like a Volkswagen bug, like butt on legs. It's just like, that's how big it looked. I was just like, oh my, I don't want to see Black Bear. A bug or a bus? Like a bug. A bug. Yeah, yeah.

Like a car. Like a car. Yeah, yeah. Beet a car. Like a car, yeah, yeah. Beetle, bug, whatever those are called. Yeah. But it looked like that big, but a bear. So big as a car. And maybe it was. Yeah.

It's kind of counterintuitive, right? You would say, like, why would anybody want to be around that? But they make the experience more interesting because you are around them yeah because it's part of the adventure yeah well it's also it's part of the reality of where you are like you are in an ecosystem and there's apex predators and then there's prey animals and then you every now and then enter somewhere in this. And you're kind of somewhere in between. Yeah. And you're running around.

And if you're successful, you get an animal. And then you're at home eating that animal weeks, months later, thinking about that experience. And it brings that experience back to you in a weird way. It's very hard to describe to people. But when I eat a piece of elk, I think of where I was when, when I shot that animal. And it's, yeah, for me, it's, it's not, the meat kind of looks like meat, but for me where it's really driven home, the reality is when I open the freezer and I see how the packages are labeled and it'll say Colorado back elk backstrap, right. 20, you know, 20 or, and I go

right back that those packages of meat are capture this memory of this experience, like nothing else to me because it's like saying what did it, the animal is what year it was. And then I remember that episode or that, that experience and a freezer with, with meat in it just does it for you. And it's not regular meat either. It's like, you know, I've been talking to Jocko about this. It's like superfood. There's something about it. Like for someone who's eaten steak their whole life and then you eat elk, you're like, hey, what's going on here? Yeah. Why do I feel so good? It's like there's something in that meat. There's a quality to wild game. I think people want to talk about whether or not ranchers use hormones or antibiotics.

There's a lot of that talk. I'm not sure if they do or don't. I don't think I feel that in the meat. But what I feel is the difference between an animal that is running away from giant cats and wolves and bears and it's just alive. The meat is alive. There's some power to it.

It's a more potent living creature. When you eat that more potent living creature, it's more nutritious. That's proven by science. When they analyze the difference between a 12 ounce piece of of elk versus a 12-ounce piece of beef. It's like double the protein. Right. And who knows what the amino acid count is and the vitamin count, but I'm sure it's through the roof. And the stuff they may be putting in or feeding the animal, the beef.

Right. I don't know what they're feeding them. Me neither. It's hard to say because some people are just pure grass-fed, regenerative farming, and that's really good for you. And it tastes different than when you buy grain-fed cattle, which is still pretty good. But it's just the difference in the way you feel after you eat it. I noticed this. So I started hunting in western Oregon, which is more populated, little towns and cities and things like that.

In eastern Oregon, it's bigger, more wild country. So I was used to hunting elk just in the small logging community outside of there on Weyerhaeuser ground. And those elk see people. There's not, you know, there's some lions, but not like in the wilderness. There's some bears, but not like back there now. And now in the wilderness there's there's wolves actually but i noticed a difference in the animals how they behaved and how much faster they were in

the wilderness so i would say it was such as more of a challenge because those elk back there could actually move by the time the arrow got there and an elk normally will stand there and they're because they're 800 pounds you know they're not like quick like an axis deer or something like that their reactions just aren't like that they're not wired that same way but in the wilderness i was like these elk are high octane this is like a whole another level of hunting i got to be better because these elk are on another level of reaction time and being more, it felt more wild. So then, you know, you have, being a human is so crazy. You think all these different paths and putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.

So I'm like, well, if they're more wild back here and I'm eating them, maybe I'm going to be stronger, faster. And so I had in my head right then that this meat that I'm eating and the animal, it's going to impact me and how I react. So that's why, and people don't get it and maybe there is no difference, but when I eat bear, I feel ultra beast-like, you know, I'm like, I eat bear meat, you know? There's something to that. I feel it, whether it's true or not, whatever, you can say whatever you want, but just know how i feel so you can't tell me how it feels wrong well there's for sure something in there's it's more nutritious to eat wild game it's 100 more nutritious it's just a fact but it's like why is it more nutritious like why why are they more potent and it only makes sense that an animal that has to get away

from other predators an animal that has to live that hardscrabble life in the wilderness, it's harder to get and more rewarding when you get it. And look at all the people that we know that eat wild game. They're pretty damn healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Like you and Rinella and all the guys that we know, Remy, that eat wild game all the time. They look pretty damn good. Yeah.

Healthy folks. Definitely. There's something to that. And there's something, again, from a guy who, you know, for 40 plus years of my life didn't eat wild game and then I eat it all the time. Right. It's different. It's different. I get beat up for this too because I guess, you know, vegans can say whatever they want about hunters and it's good to go.

I remember I put up one thing about a vegan. I can't remember what it was. It's like somebody, it's their diet and it's like they went from this healthy person to looking pretty sickly. Oh, there's a lot of those. And it's kind of a meme joke thing. And I'm just like, oh no, actually God. And this is, I'm probably stepping in. I know you can't get canceled, but maybe I can.

But I put up something about Canelo. Yes. Because I guess he went vegan. Yeah, he went vegan for his last fight. And all I put up uh something about canelo because i guess i guess he went yeah he went vegan for his last fight and all i put up was that worked well yeah i reposted i reposted in my instagram story i got so much hate for that yeah you know and it's like we get crucified for being you know killers and meat eaters and all this i put up one joke meme about canelo who looked awful compared to how he, and with the one thing that changed was his diet.

And then all of a sudden I'm the bad guy. But anyway. Well, there's two things going on there. One, B-Vol is a real legit light heavyweight. And that's only the second light heavyweight that Canelo had fought. The first one was Kovalev, but Kovalev was at the end of his career. Kovalev had lost a bunch of times. He'd been stopped and he wasn't the same same guy as he was when he fought Andre Ward the

first time. But Kovalev, when he was the man, when he was a light heavyweight champion, was a real savage. And he was winning that fight with Canelo, too, by the way. There's a reason why there's weight classes. And Canelo fought Floyd Mayweather. I believe he fought him at 152 pounds, which is the lightest he's ever fought. Floyd Mayweather I believe he fought him at 152 pounds which is the lightest he's ever fought generally he would fight at 152 54 and then he moved up fought

middleweight and that's where he fought Gurnard I think he fought Triple G Gennady Golovkin I think he fought him at 60 or it might have been super middleweight find out if that's so then there's a jump man and the job I think was 160 they've got a lotovkin was the middleweight champion. And so that 15-pound jump is giant. So you want to go up in weight and quit eating meat? Let's see what it says here. 60.

Yeah, okay. So they fought twice. They were supposed to fight a third time, but it looks like he's going to have a rematch with B-Ball instead. But if you're going to go up... Yeah. Well, it's like he watched that documentary have a rematch with B-Ball instead. But if you're going to go up. Yeah. You know, well, it's like he watched that documentary on Netflix, Game Changers.

There's a lot of, you know, look, if you want to eat only vegan and you want to do it for ethical reasons and you don't want to be involved in animal death, I get it. You don't want to be involved in factory farming, I get it. But it's not true when you say that it gives you a significant athletic performance boost It doesn't there's no real proof of that and they fucked with some reality when they made that they did There's no real elite professional athletes at the highest level that I'm aware of that are vegan I don't I don't think it has the same bioavailability as animal protein. And this is coming from nutritionists that are unbiased and objective, not coming from guys like the carnivore

MD, Paul Saladino, guys who are proselytizing to eat carnivorously. This is just from regular scientists. They'll tell you you can get as much protein from X amount of broccoli as you can from a steak. The problem is it's not the same kind of protein. It's not as bioavailable. And if, okay, so surviving is one thing. Right. Thriving.

Performing or thriving is a whole nother thing. You can eat a lot of shit and just get by and not die. That's the real question. But are you trying to be optimum performance at whatever you do? I was a vegetarian for six months. Did I ever tell you that when I was fighting? Because I was having a really hard time making weight. And I was competing when I was 17.

I won the state championship at 140 pounds. And the next weight class was 154. And I was struggling. I couldn't really get, I wasn't 140. I was like 153, 154 and I would dehydrate the shit out of myself, make the weight and then I have to fight on the same day. It was not good. And I was fighting. I didn't, I won, but I felt like shit. I was like, I could have fucked those guys up if I was like, if I felt my best strong. Right. And then I did it for a while to try to lean out, but I was just tired all the time. And I know I probably wasn't doing it right. And I've never done it right where, you know, you eat pea protein

and you make sure you balance your macros and have someone. But when I went, when I started eating meat, that's when I became at my best. When went on my my best performance run as a competitor It was all eating meat and that's mostly what I ate was meat right well I felt a lot different and that was the only example that I've ever had because it's a stretch only stretch of my life When I was competing and a very intense thing and I did eat I ate nothing but vegetables for like a good six months months.'s a long time it was a long time I tried as long as I had him my instructor was very tall and we were from the same weight class you know 140 might even 147 whatever it was I forget what the weight class was but it was in the 40s and then he was like six three

six two six three and he was in the same way class as me when he was younger was competing so I was like brainwashed to think, I'm too short for this fucking weight class. I've got to start myself. But it's just body types. I was built way different than him. I'm wider and thicker. It's just different.

And I got way better as soon as I stopped doing that. But it's like, I'm also not starving myself. So there's that, too. Oftentimes in the UFC, you'll see guys when they go up in weight they become their best version like charles charles olivera is a great example that like he fought for 145 at a while for a while rather and he fought very well but never really hit the strides that he hit when he went up to uh 155 he's on a roll oh my god he's so good he's on a roll he's so good and he's he you know people

take different approaches they talk smack get fights you know there's a whole different ways to do it he's so respectful so respectful so nice yes and it's like i mean whatever i guess it's different for everybody but man he's got something that's working right now, and he's hard not to root for yeah Well, that's who he is. He's a very very nice guy and He got screwed in his last fight. They there was some shenanigans with the scale Some people had messed with the scale here's a problem with these digital scales Foreign fighters they use kilograms and in America obviously we use pounds right and so the foreign fighters were like these scales are calibrated and then the foreign fighters would reset the scale so they could

switch it back to kilograms so it fucks up the whole calibration oh I see and so he would weigh in or he weighed in like the night before the weigh-ins he was like oh I'm good to go and then in the morning he goes and shows up for the weight cut and it's a pound plus off. And that is directly related to this calibration thing. Calibration issue. Yeah. Makes sense. So now the UFC has a new policy because of this where they have a guard who watches over the scale 24 hours a day.

Like they have shifts where no one can fuck with the scale. Like if you're going to get on that scale to try yourself, they're going to watch you like a hawk, and you don't press any buttons. You don't just get on. What's your weight? Get off. That's it. So these guys were monkeying around with the scale. That's surprising that even at the level that UFC's at right now,

that was still – still hadn't got that figured out. It's Phoenix. That's what it is. Oh, I see. It's not a knock on Phoenix. I love Phoenix. It's just that the people that are there don't do high level world championship MMA fights on a regular basis. They do a few.

We've had a good time there. They've had some good events there, but they just made a mistake. They'll let these guys do it. And there should have been someone watching the scale. And the scale was off. And that's a fact. And that's why Oliveira, look, it's not the best excuse because Justin Gaethje made weight. Yeah. Everybody else made weight except one of the women that fought earlier in the night. She didn't make weight. But that's it. But how, so I wanted Gaethje in that fight.

I'm a Justin Gaethje fan. I love all his team. I like his attitude. I like he's just a broad, so tough. like his attitude, like he's just a... He's awesome. So tough. But how impressive is it that Oliveira can have all that drama? Which you know how you got to be in the right mindset to fight, I imagine.

And he's got to overcome all this and still, then he gets rocked. Yeah. Gets rocked twice by Gaethje, who's got hands of stone. And still comes back and wins. Well, here's what's interesting about Charles Oliveira. When Charles Oliveira fights, even though he's the champion, he fights like a berserker. He fights, he puts himself in danger. He doesn't fight safe.

He doesn't fight to try to outpoint you. He doesn't fight tactically, like where he's trying to get the least amount of damage and drag you into deep water and then strategically try to take you out in the fourth and fifth round. No. From the moment the first bell rings, he's coming

at you. Guns blazing. And Gaethje was coming at him too, but it's like Gaethje was overwhelmed by Oliveira's pace and his aggression. Even when Gaethje was coming at him too, but it's like Gaethje was overwhelmed by Olivera's pace and his aggression It's why even when Gaethje cracked him Olivera so different than anybody else when he gets hit He just lays on his back. Yeah, he's like come get some of this and nobody wants that guard He gets a break. He's got the most submissions in the history of the sport. He recovers Yes, because nobody wants to go to the ground. Right normally guys would just come bombing in. Yeah. Just trying to land anything extra.

It's like when you wound an animal, any other arrow in it is go. You're just trying to glance something off, catch something. Most time, guys will hurt a guy, come in, and just go crazy. But not with him. No, you don't want that ground game. His ground game is so elite. It's so good. I mean, I wonder how he would do in

a like world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu tournament because I think he would do very well because I watched the way he finishes submissions the way he sinks things up I mean it is top of the food chain stuff I've seen a lot of jiu-jitsu in my days I have rarely seen anyone compete in MMA that closes the show like Oliveira when the fight goes to the ground. It was smooth. His shit is razor sharp. Smooth. Razor sharp.

Smooth. He hit, hurt Justin and was so, just immediately on his back. Yeah. And like, I think went for a couple different things, but ended up getting under his chin and getting him. But the only person, I haven't watched all his fights like you, but I saw Chandler get out of that somehow you remember that yep yep he had uh he was on chandler's back yep had the choke in chandler somehow spun chandler is an animal like he's an animal that guy that here's another guy that's a do or die that's a killer be killed guy right there oh and tony tony had him hurt a little bit well tony cracked him a couple

of times the thing about chandler is like you got to take him out he's not going to quit no he's zero quitting him you got to take him out and his style he's also got that killer be killed style he puts himself in danger too yeah and he loses sometimes sometimes you know and you know he lost olivera when they fought but he had ol Oliveira in deep shit in that first round. So close. He came that close to being the champion of the world. That close. And that's another thing I'm so impressed with.

I mentioned Chandler in the book because we've trained together. But I'm so impressed by that mental ability. So you said this close to a world championship. Didn't get it. How devastating would that be? And his attitude is like, well, back to work, see to work see at the top yeah he's got a great attitude how it's amazing it's well that's also why he's so loved yeah so he he had great defense which is very impressive very impressive and scrambled that but he's also like this ball of muscle oh he's so physically strong

when i was standing next to him when i was was interviewing him after the fight, I'm like, how the fuck do you weigh 155 pounds? He looks like he's 190. He is 190. I guarantee you right now, if you get on the scale, he's 190. Solid muscle. He weighs 155 for about 20 minutes at the most. And then he rehydrates, and I bet he's 170 plus when he fights.

And then once he, like, fully fuels himself, like, over the next couple of days after the fight. He was 186 the other day. Okay. Right after the fight. Yeah. Right after the fight with Ferguson. They did a, he was talking about it, and he said he was 186 pounds. And he's killing the mic, too, after the fight.

Oh, my God. It's like, that was the one he was when i interviewed him after that fight it was the best ever post-fight speech i've ever heard in my life he's screaming yeah conor mcgregor like yeah i know i mean he is so good at that he's amazing at it he's amazing yeah so how can you so you're already planning on winning obviously but then you already have this whole thing You've got your bell rung a little bit just to be so dialed in live Most people can't talk live without screwing up right but screaming after a fight and just kill it

Well, he does that the way he does everything the way trains the way he fights so prepared. He's just an animal Yeah, it's also like full tilt. Yeah, he's very smart. Very smart. Very well prepared. Prepared like scientifically in terms of his strength and conditioning. Technically, you know, he's a Henry Hooft guy. So it's like his, look at the size of him. How's that 155 pounds? Look at, go right there. I'm 200 pounds.

Look at that. Look at the size of him. Look at the size of him. Look how big he is. I know. How fucking big is he? He looks as big as you. Exactly.

How the fuck is that guy 155 pounds? It makes zero sense. He's so big. Yeah. He's a tank. Yeah. And then also, these guys, where they're hard on the sleep, they put so much into it. He gets up on that cage, and then he's looking for his son.

And he's getting kind of emotional. He started crying when he saw his son. How? I mean. mean well that was the first time his son had seen him fight live and his son is so young he's got earphones on to keep his ears blowing out because that arena was insanity god oh yeah how cute i know i got so much respect for chandler he's amazing he's an and by the way he's not a spring chicken either. No. This 36 years old and in natural, you know, athletics, because being natural meaning like, you know, not taking any steroids or nothing. Yeah. 36 is at the high end of peak performance.

Generally speaking for boxers, that's an old age. Right. That's an old, there's not a whole lot of guys like Bernard Hopkins who compete well into their forties and are at an elite level. But Bernard Hopkins is a completely different kind of fighter. Bernard Hopkins was very safety first, very defensively sound, very fucking technical. Bernard didn't take any chances until he knew that he had you, and then he started turning it up. Super, super disciplined.

Chandler is a berserker. He's a wild man you know and that knockout of Tony Ferguson was the most intense head kick knockout I think I've ever seen because it's rare that a guy is at a level of Tony Ferguson that just gets flatlined with a head kick like that yeah and to have it be a front kick like DC said it best he said it wasn't even like a regular front kick it was like he kicked a soccer ball oh god he just swung his leg up and just yeah, I heard him capitated I heard him say that Tony comes in wide, you know

And so they felt like there was that channel up the middle, right? And he said he didn't even plan no I know but I guess just plant thinking of strikes in your head up the middle strikes. Yeah, and that's one of them Landed my god i thought i was actually worried for tony he was down for a while he was out unconscious for several minutes yeah it was scary it was scary it was scary to be there because you know knock on wood there's never been a real death or serious i don't want a real death there's never been a death or serious injury inside the octagon.

I mean, it's been broken bones, but that was a scary one. It was. I want to talk about a great attitude. Tony Ferguson, same thing. He's like onward and upward, same goal, back on the grind, back training. I can't imagine that job. You pretty much have to, I I think have that attitude and just saying but you'd have to be questioning everything yeah and that yeah it's gonna be hard it's you know

you're questioning it and then you have to overrule those questions right you that's the champion's curse because the thing that gets you to the dance is this unflappable belief in yourself but that's also the thing that makes you stick around too long. Yeah. Like when Sugar Ray Leonard fought Terry Norris. It was like, Jesus Christ, I don't want to watch this. It's like when you realize a guy is not supposed to be in there against a guy who is at the peak of his abilities. Yeah. And that's when things get spooky because it's like that's when you see

like your heroes get tuned up and smashed. That's where the UFC is pretty good. They don't really put like the guys who've been in it forever against the new elite guys. Right, right. Sometimes they do. I mean, it's just... I've heard talk of Diaz and...

Kamsat? Yeah. That's scary. Well, Kamsat wants to fight everybody. I'll kill everyone! But I'll tell you what, man, that fight with Gilbert Burns got a lot of people brave. A lot of people were more brave after that fight because he looked human in that fight.

He did. And Gilbert Burns is a fucking animal. He's an animal. Another nice guy. That dude's an animal. Super, super nice guy. And he's another guy who also hit his peak going up in weight when he fought at 155. Gilbert's a big guy.

When you stand next to him, you're like, how the fuck could he ever have made 155? He's not anywhere as big as Hamzat, though. No. Hamzat is tall. Remember how he looked giant back there. Yeah. He's a big guy. It's a very tough weight cut for him, and when he makes it, he's so long.

Yeah. And he's so dangerous with his strikes and with his wrestling, with everything. But the thing that we learned about Hamzat in that fight is he's not just a hammer. He can take it, too. Yeah, do some damage. Yeah, like when the nail gets hit. Sometimes a fighter is really good until someone puts pressure on them, and then they fold up shop. They don't have a lot of resilience.

They just are very good aggressively. It's called being a frontrunner, and that was a thing in boxing about certain fighters. You would always say, well, he's good until he's pressed, and then you see his confidence fall apart, and then we saw none of that with Hamzat, because Gilbert spun his head around, and it would have KO'd 99% of the people on the planet, but Hamzat immediately dove on after wobbled, dropped, and he grabs a hold of a leg and then takes Gilbert down. I mean, that's how good he is. Yeah.

He fought just fucking with all of his soul. It was amazing. That is a good point because you've seen people. I'm not going to say they're frontrunners because they're legends. But before Tyson lost to Douglas, it's, you thought he's never going to lose. Right. And Connor, he was on that role where it's like, these guys are never going to lose. And then they do. And then like something changes, you know, it's something with the aura, the, maybe the belief in themselves a little bit. I don't know what, but he, he got challenged

and he had that same type of, not even a man, like more of a machine. Yeah. And got hurt and still came back. I mean, you're right. It means a lot. It means a lot. You know, I mean, he's got to have to recover from that fight because that was a real brutal war. Both him and Gilbert, they need a lot of time off after that fight.

Yeah. But we know a lot about Hamzat. We know that, first of all, we know that that style, that seek and destroy, throw yourself into the fire style, it needs a little tweaking if you're going to fight Usman. It needs a little tweaking. It's the elite guys. Yeah, you're not going to just steamroll everybody. Right. Because he went through four fights in the UFC and was only hit twice.

I mean, of course the guy's confident. Yeah, incredible. Yeah, incredible. Incredible. He said his right hand breaks mountains. I'm not arguing with him. No, that's pretty confident. It's very confident.

I was like, damn, I love that line. Well, when he fought Gerald Murchard and knocked him out with one punch, I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, 17 seconds or something. That was at 185, too. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't even at 170. He goes up to 185.

And he was scheduled to fight Luke Rockhold at one point at 185. He was a former champion. And then his team was like, listen, this is all fun and games, but stick to 170 and let's get a championship title. And you can do this. You could actually be a world champion at 170. Let's work our way. And then they had a hard time getting people to fight him. But, of course, Gilbert Burns will fight the devil.

Yeah, yeah. You call Gilbert up. You've got course Gilbert Burns will fight the devil. Yeah, yeah. You call Gilbert up, you know, you've got six weeks to prepare for the devil. And he's like, poha, where's the devil? Let's go. You know, he's a real warrior. I love those guys. I mean, the fight game. That was an amazing fight.

And that was an amazing fight for both guys. And a lot of people made a good argument that Gilbert could have won that fight. Yeah. It was a very, very, very close fight. And't think gilbert lost any stock in taking that fight and losing that fight by decision like i said quite a few people thought he won that fight yeah i mean it yeah i was there with you obviously saw it it seemed i mean very competitive very close super close but it seemed like he took a little more damage and i think there's more control yeah i'd have to watch it again and like just score it like with a piece of paper

Write down what I think you know like little shots landed and stuff like that to really get up It's hard when you're watching the fight Yeah, because one of the things that happens is when you expect a guy to win and the other guy starts doing well sometimes You exaggerate it in your head that he's doing better than you thought like that is an issue with the underdog performances you know when gilbert was which is crazy that gilbert was an underdog in that fight considering he beat the brakes off tyron woodley yeah i was beating a lot of like top flight drop yeah yeah dropped uzman i mean he did he had uzman in some trouble ultimately lost but it shows you how good uzman is Usman is one of the greatest of all time when you see that fight with Hamzat and Gilbert and you think about the fight that Gilbert had with Usman you realize how good Usman is

he's one of the greatest of all time in any weight class yeah in any weight class and he's you know he's there and if Hamzat gets to him if that becomes a fight oh my god well I saw that also talking Poirier Colby yeah that but I don't think Poirier wants to fight him I think Poirier said fuck that guy I don't I don't want to give him any money he's like he's an asshole but he just said he goes let's do it oh he did yeah maybe he couldn't get any other fights you know like what else is available for Poirier right now and I'm wondering if he's saying that nobody knowing Colby won't fight because of this whole Masvidal thing.

You know what I mean? Well, you're friends with Colby. And what is this here? July 30th, I accept. Dustin Poirier targets 170-pound showdown with Colby Covington. Holy shit. Yeah. Wow.

Wow, he changed his mind. Yeah. Yeah, wow, you know, wow he changed his mind Yeah, so or does he know that because Colby's going through all this other stuff with Masvidal and you know Getting Sunker punched is he knowing it's not gonna happen. So he's just getting his name out there. So did Colby I Don't think he's responded first. Well back in it. Yeah, I mean but right back in the net to go So this is a whole string of, oh, someone, whoever this guy is, Like I Care. What a great name. Like I Care got Colby to bite, or got Dustin to bite.

He said, fight Colby. And he said, July 30th, I accept. Okay. And I haven't seen Colby respond, but I would love to see that fight. Yeah, but what I was getting to was you're friends with Colby, and so you know what happened when Jorge Masvidal sucker punched Colby. He was hurt. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he wasn't prepared for the punch. Yeah, clearly. So obviously it was different than in a fight. Yeah. But, yeah, it seems like I haven't talked to him recently, but he had a couple of videos like, oh, leading up to, I think 274, he had some old, he's back to his old form. I don't know if it was 274, but, uh, who was he talking about?

Oh, Olivera and Justin. And so he had some where he's back talking shit saying, you know, here's his bookie line, whatever, doing all this. And he seemed back on his game, you know,'s his bookie line whatever doing all this and he seemed back on his game you know mentally same as normal so hopefully he's okay the thing about getting hit in the head is like you can do that for like a video you could do but are you compromised like is are you are you a changed person right because a knockout can change a person. And I don't know if he got knocked out by that punch. I don't think he did.

But he got his tooth broken. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, he got just... Caught off guard. Caught off guard and completely not knowing he was going to get hit, cracked in the face by a guy who's a world-class fighter. Yeah, that's not good. And then he's going to press charges on Masvidal.

Yeah. Which is crazy. I mean, I wonder what happens there because that's clearly assault. I mean, it's not just assault. It's assault in a situation where you just had a five-round fight with a guy and lost handily. And then you decided, I'm going to get my licks in when no one's watching. So a lot of people are angry at calling it cowardly.

Yeah. To me, it'd be different. I guess it's a thing. Sucker punching is like you got to be ready at all times. When you're eating dinner? You got to be ready when you're at a steakhouse? To me, it's different doing that as opposed to seeing them come out and be like, hey, I'm right here. Right.

You said on site. Let's do it. Right. That's different because it wasn't on site. It's like if you're coming from behind them, how's it on site? Right. I have a hard, I have a hard time respecting that. You know, if they want to fight in the streets, you know, because they don't, they hate each

other, whatever. But hey, here we go. Let's do it. Yeah. It's one of those things where Masvidal is like, he crossed a line. He talked about his family and he's like, I don't give a fuck. He goes, I'm going gonna crack you. Yeah. Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of people that feel that way and that's why Dustin Poirier for the longest time was saying that he wouldn't fight Colby's like he It's how Colby gets under your skin. He crosses those lines. Yeah, and that is part of the strategy of him getting you

Mentally worked up. Yeah and completely overwhelmed it works on everybody but it was mine yeah well and they say they say you cross a line and and he's saying i don't see a line yeah there is no line yeah he's like the line is uh this is my career i have one run at this and i'm gonna make as much money and as much noise as I can. Look, the reality is he's the second best welterweight on planet Earth, in my mind. I mean, until Hamzat gets to that level, right now he's the second best welterweight on planet Earth. Yeah. And what he did with Usman in two fights is at least the second fight made it to the final

buzzer, got rocked, put on a hell of a fight. It was a very good fight. Yeah, it was a great fight. Very, very good fight in the second fight, made it to the final buzzer, got rocked, like put on a hell of a fight. It was a very good fight. Yeah, it was a great fight. Very, very good fight in the second fight. It's like he's just in the era of one of the greatest of all time. And it doesn't mean that he can't one day reach that level. No. He's still young.

It's the most competitive fights I've ever seen Usman in. 100%. Yeah. 100%. Because Usman just, I mean, look what he did to Masvidal. Yeah. He sent him to the dark lands. Yeah. Sent him to the shadow

realm. And then did you see Usman at the last fight with his red leather jacket and no shirt? It's like, baller. Frick. Well, he's like, you know, if you want to make some noise and get some attention. That's how you do it. Well, he's trying to get that Canelo fight. I know. He wants that big, big money. And maybe

Canelo will fight him. Just keep him on salads. Keep. I know. He wants that big, big money. And maybe Canelo will fight him if the ball fight. Keep him on salads. He's got a pretty good shot. Keep him on salads. Yeah. I wonder if he'll change his diet. Because they were actually talking about that in the broadcast. They were saying he seems a little lackadaisical, a little lackluster.

I wonder if it's his diet. I don't know. Yeah, after the fight, they were talking about the diet. It's like. I don't know. Yeah, after the fight we were talking about the diet. It's like, I don't know. You know? I know. It's like I never want to say that it won't work for you because there's people out there that I know that are vegan that

thrive and they don't have any problem with it. But I don't know how they would do if they ate meat. I mean, maybe they're just fucking unbelievably savage and if they ate meat they'd be even better. But if you give them vegetables, they'll still kill it. His quote on it says that

sometimes he eats meat still. Oh, I'm not very complicated when it comes to food. I adapt a lot. I adapt quickly. Canelo told ESPN, it's not something I did all of a sudden that I left what I ate before

from one day to the next. All week I try to eat what is vegan and if one day I eat something else, meat, chicken, whatever, I eat it, there is no problem. Yeah, I don't know what that means really, but that's what he said in response to that. But that's not, if you are an athlete that is eating for performance, like say if you went to- See, that's the opposite of me. Yeah, if you went to Mike Mike Dolce or you know George

Lockhart or one of those guys that is not how they would tell you to eat they would prescribe a specific amount of protein a specific amount of carbohydrates based on your weight right I mean they're not saying like sometimes I eat this and sometimes eat that that I think what's going on is Canelo is so fucking good yeah that he can get away with eating squash and tomatoes and still fuck you up because he's so goddamn good. He's been amazing. He's amazing.

And just the fact that he went all the way up to 75, fought Bivol, went to the decision, lost the decision, but was never in real trouble, was never rocked or dropped or anything like that. And he's fighting two weight classes above his natural weight class. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, it is. He's an amazing fighter. He's amazing.

He's one of the greatest of all time, which is why he's willing to take that chance and go up to 175 pounds. But in my mind, if you're an athlete, especially if you're in a combat sport, you need to have everything dialed in. Your recovery. You need to be doing a sauna every day. Ice bath. You need to be eating all the right food, drinking all the right water.

They should hydration test you every day. You got hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. That's Canelo Alvarez. I know. He shouldn't be eating fucking plants. What the fuck are you doing, bro? You're eating celery? We got to get a steak in you.

Yeah, well, that's what I was saying is like his approach where he'll eat, you know, greens and salads most of the time and every once in a while have meat. I do all meat and every once in a while have a salad. You know, when Mike Tyson was in here, he was thanking me for turning him on to Wild Game. Really? Yes. He's been getting Wild Game?

Yes. From buying- Well, I offered to get him some elk, but I thanking me for turning him on to Wild Game. Really? Yes. He's been getting Wild Game? Yes. From... I offered to get him some elk, but I never got it to him. We never connected after that, but he went to somewhere and got a lot of bison. He was eating a lot of bison before he started training again. He's like, oh my god, it made such a difference.

He thanked me during the last podcast, because I'm always talking about Wild Game, and he's like, it made a big difference That's why I eat now is wild game. So if Mike Tyson says that I'd fucking listen Yeah, Mike Tyson at 55 years of age who looks that damn good. Yeah, which is incredible I still I'm addicted to still his old footage of his fights in his and the one where he's in the ring and he's talking about you know I'm Alexander the Great.

Yes. I eat your children. I know. That, I mean, it's unbelievable. Yeah. And then I think he ends it with praise be to Allah. Yeah. It's like, wait, what?

Dude, in his prime, he was like no one else. I know. He changed boxing. He changed boxing. I still watch. I mean, still, I watch him just like I've never seen him. Seen him a thousand times. I watched the Botha fight the other day.

I watched it the other day. He knocked Botha out. I watched that fight. And then after I watched that fight, I watched the, who's the fucking Polish dude that he fucked up? Golota. Golota. Andrew Golota.

Yeah, I watched that fight too. Yeah. Fuck, man. He was good. Yeah. So much power. that fight, too. Yeah. Fuck, man, he was good. Yeah. So much power. He was so good. Yeah. It wasn't just power, man.

It was bobbing and weaving and inside on you. His head would go so low. Sometimes when he'd go down. Yeah. I mean. He's like at knee level. Yes. And guys are like trying to hit him.

I know. And then he leaps up and smashes you with a left hook. God. During his time, man, when we were kids. kids yeah he's you and i are the same age and when we when tyson was at that run when he was the heavyweight champion in the beginning it was when he knocked out ferguson and he won the title youngest heavyweight champion ever at 20 years of age and then just smashed everybody yeah every fight was like you weren't doing anything when mike tyson fought you were gonna watch mike tyson fights yeah it was a weird where you wanted to see him fight

But then you also wanted it like some devastating knockout in the first round. Yeah, it's like so how can you have both? How can you see a great fight where you get to see him for maybe a half hour if it's ten rounds right or Something just oh Yeah, it's really hard to pick which one well people would not buy the pay-per-view because they didn't want to spend money on a 30-second fight. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not going to buy that pay-per-view. I'm like, listen, man, it's going to be wild.

They're going to play it back 30 times in a row. You're going to be jumping around. Yeah. Like the Spinks fight when you fought Michael Spinks. Yeah. God, he was good. I know. It was just, but athletes of that level, when you're at that level, I mean, it's like, I feel like with Mike Tyson, obviously he was a heavyweight.

And diet is not, it's not a concern in terms of like making a specific weight. He just wanted to be at his prime. But Mike Tyson always ate meat. He always ate meat. He just, but he didn't eat like wild game right till you know after his career was over Then he started coming back again. Could you imagine if in his prime wild game? Oh my god, that would be a probably a big talking point in the in the broadcast like what he ate How sick was that? He was just smashing people eating only like elk meat. Oh my god. That would have been awesome

He probably would have been better which is so scary. Yeah,, which is so scary. He was like a perfect storm of a young kid who was raised in a horrible environment, had no love. It was just terrible, terrible, until he was adopted by a real wizard in custom model. Custom model was a genius when it came to boxing and also a hypnotist so he takes this guy who's who fuck is 13 years old and weighs 190 pounds Mike three yeah just a freak genetics and then also freak mind you know people don't appreciate how intelligent Tyson is I mean he doesn't have a PhD he didn't spend a lot of time in college but that doesn't mean his mind doesn't function a very high level't spend a lot of time in college But that doesn't mean his mind doesn't function

At a very high level in order to Be able to navigate the Waters of being in a fight with Larry Holmes and be able to figure out how To get to Larry Holmes's chin and boom That is fucking complicated It's way more complicated than people think It is right and it's also all

The other stuff that he was into like he's into like History and conquerors Like he could into like he's into like history and Conquerors like he could talk to you forever about like Genghis Khan and all these warriors that live before he studied all that stuff Mm-hmm. He's not he's not a simple man. He's very complex Don't you think that also went into his mindset like studying that? Yeah, those people and knowing what it meant to be like a great warrior fighter Yeah, I mean, I think he took that with him in the ring in some for sure and also like studying that and those people and knowing what it meant to be like a great warrior fighter. Yeah.

I mean, I think he took that with him in the ring in some ways. For sure. And also, it was a singular focus. That's all he did. Yeah. All he did, and he lived in the Catskills, which is like there's nothing to do up there. So all he would do is like watch fight tapes when he wasn't training, eat and sleep.

Yeah. And when you're tunnel visioned on something, yeah, and you got that talent and then that mindset yeah it's just so rare it's so rare and it's there's not a lot of people that can keep it up I mean he kept it up for years and eventually he lost the desire and the hunger and then he wound up retiring after like the Kevin McBride fight but it's just I think you got to look at him for where, when he was at his peak. People always look at guys like what happened when they kind of fell off and they start,

like I talked with BJ Penn about that when he was on the podcast. And I'm like, you can't look at the bad performances. They had bad performances later in their career like BJ did. But if you look at BJ Penn when he was in his prime, god oh my god he was incredible yeah when he was in his prime BJ Penn was one of the greatest of all time well you the prodigy yeah how do you get that name that's how he got it yeah I mean because you're you're incredible he was I was there I was there for the early BJ days he was he was something nuts yeah and he just had this psychotic focus, you know, and he would come out to that song Crazy.

Mm-hmm. That may be crazy. You know, he'd come out and just like this look on his face and he'd be pacing in the corner and it was hell. The moment that bell rang, like he was bringing hell. He was amazing. But again, it's like how long can you do that? Right.

Most people can't do that for very long your body breaks Your willpower breaks like just to maintain the kind of camp that you have to have to be in the kind of condition That you have to be to be able to fight five rounds So that's why like when it comes to a guy like Kamaru Usman when he says he wants a fight Canelo Alvarez and I'm like, give him the money. Give him the fight. Because it's like, if Canelo wants to do it, and he wants to do it,

and people are like, well, that won't be competitive. Like, let's see. But my point is, like, first of all, who knows? Because he's that good at MMA. Like, who knows what he could put together if he only boxed? Who knows? Because it's a special kind of athlete

that can be that good at anything, good as he is at mma i'm not saying he's at canel's level boxing i'm not he's not canel is the best in the world maybe one of the best of all time but let's fucking watch that it's the same same logic as with tyson fury and um and francis and god yeah yeah i mean same same allure to that. Yeah, but they're doing that with little gloves. Oh, four ounce gloves. Yeah. They're going to fight with little MMA gloves.

But boxing. Yes. It's a hybrid type fight. They're going to fight with little gloves, boxing. How much damage is that going to cause them? I mean. boxing how much damage is that going to cause them i mean it's a it's all whether or not francis can get close to tyson yeah and land shots right because tyson fury is so good and he's so skilled at boxing he's also got this style this like yeah looking herky jerky style and right like if you're not used to that you're like hey what moves like a little guy. I mean, he's so smooth for as big as he is.

6'9". 6'9". That's a big man. He's amazing. That's a big man. And he did something very clever after the Dillian White fight. He said he's retiring,

so he's going to give up all his belts. So if he fights Francis Ngannou, he's not fighting for any belt. So he doesn't have to give any of those sanctioning bodies any money. Ooh, that's smart. Yes, that's what he did. See, this is them together. And he also asked Francis if he had a giant cock, which is, I'll answer that.

Look at him. Even if he's got a regular cock, for his size body. I didn't know he was that tall, Francis. Well, he doesn't have, I mean, Tyson has no shoes on. Or no, he has boxing shoes on, which are very thin. And I don't know what Francis is wearing, but Francis is a good solid 6'6". Isn't he? How tall is Francis?

6'5", 6'6"? I don't know. He looks big. But Francis is, you know, he's walking around 275 natural. Yeah. I mean, he's an enormous, enormous man. 6'4", it says. Yeah, see, he looks bigger.

He does look bigger. Tyson was 6'9". Maybe he lied about his size just to... Yeah. 6'4". Maybe he's 6'6". I know. He looks giant.

Well, he's a terrifying man. He's terrifying. Have you had him on here? Yeah Oh, okay. Oh my god. He has the best story ever. Oh his story about leaving Cameroon Yeah, escaping Cameroon and getting to France. He told that story and it was a long story like right He goes into detail about it. It's it's nail-biting like you can't like what he did They arrested him seven times as he was trying to make his way over to Europe. That's right, yes. And every time they'd arrest him, they'd take him to the desert and drop him off.

That's right, yeah. Like literally leave him there to die. I knew of his story. I couldn't remember where I'd heard it or why I knew, but that's right. And every time he made it back, tried again. Every time he made it back, tried again. So when that guy enters into the octagon, there's a determination that that guy possesses. Yeah.

Yeah. He's overcome. He's overcome everything. He's overcome everything. You know, or a fight is just, you know, that's a snapshot in time. Yeah. You know, he's, you know, had to fight for his life, basically. Well, the crazy thing is he also, he fought Cyril Ghosn with a completely blown out knee.

Yeah. His knee was fucked going into that fight. And he wasn't going gonna cancel the fight. Against one of the most difficult challengers he's ever faced. Cyril Ghosn is a guy who first of all sparred with him, so he knew him really well. He was an enormous guy. Cyril Ghosn is also six foot four. Athletic.

Super athletic, very quick for a heavyweight. And very technical in his striking. His striking is very skillful and Francis just switched it up on him used his wrestling, took him down, beat him up he did, maintained the title it was impressive stuff man

the thing about him is there's not a lot of compelling fights for him in the heavyweight division in the UFC where you want to say like ooh I can't wait to see that fight you know it's like who who's the big fight that stands out for Francis Ngannou in the UFC's heavyweight division John Jones yeah you know that's the big one yeah if he comes back there is a lot of talk of John coming back against Stipe and uh I'm very curious to see if that actually comes to fruition.

Me too. Is there any announcement of that? There is an announcement, right? No. They're talking about... September, I thought. Didn't I hear that? Like Stipe wasn't going to be ready until September.

I wonder why. I wonder why he needs until September. I mean, it's May. I wonder why he needs four months. Because he hasn it's May. I wonder why he needs four months. I don't know. Because he hasn't fought in forever. I know. Yeah, it's been a while.

I wonder what that is. Maybe he's recovering from an injury or something like that. Or he just wants to be, you know, sometimes it's like, when am I going to be at my best? Yeah. You know, maybe he wants a longer camp. You know, he's going to fight Jon Jones. There was also talk of Stipe fighting Tai Tuivasa.

I don't know if that was real. I think they do have another fight now for Tai Tuivasa though. Who is, boy, you want to talk about a character. Yeah, I know. Yeah, he's... Drinks beer out of your shoe. Yeah, that's turned into a thing now. I see other fighters doing

it. He tried to drink beer out of my shoe when I was interviewing him. After the fight, he goes, Joe, can I drink beer out of my shoe did he when i was interviewing him after the fight he goes joe can i drink beer out of your shoe i'm like no no that's disgusting i gotta put that back on wet shoe on fuck out of here bro i'm not gonna i love him i love him to death yeah his his attitude's infectious for sure oh he's well also his skill level has increased like by leaps and bounds And the fact that he took out Derrick Lewis like that. I know, in Houston. And Derrick Lewis is the biggest power puncher in the history of the heavyweight division.

He's knocked out more guys than anyone in the history of the heavyweight division. And he rocked him. He did, and he took it. Had him in real trouble. And Ty came back swinging. That's pretty amazing. Is there a fight scheduled for him?

I just looked him up. I'm not seeing anything. I think they had something that they were talking about. Might be Rosenstreich. Cyril Gantz. Cyril Gantz. September 3rd.

So, if they're smart, that's what they do. Also, it's like, Francis just had major knee surgery right so he had ligaments reconstructed and that was just about a month and a half two months ago that shit takes nine plus months to really heal up and then if he really wants to give it the right amount of time he needs another three after that to like work his way back into shape and get to the point where he can fight again who francis you're talking yeah yeah but

he he wants to box i think doesn't he want to let that his contract run out and box or what well the ufc might go in on it oh i see you know i think the ufc um first of all he's immensely marketable as a heavyweight champion yeah he. He's an incredible fighter. Yeah. If they're smart, and they are, I think they'll make a Conor McGregor type deal with him. Okay. Where, you know, they co-promoted the Conor McGregor's Floyd Mayweather fight. So they'll probably co-promote this and then make something with him and Fury.

In Africa. Oh, my God. What are you doing? Oh, my God. What are you doing? Yeah, sign him. Put him in Africa. It's a huge fight. What are you doing? Oh, my God. What are you doing? Yeah, sign him. Put him in Africa. It's a huge fight.

What if they both get malaria? I don't know. But it'd be a hell of a fight because they'd be equal then if they both had malaria. Like, if they did fight in Africa, I wonder where they would do it. I wonder if they would do it like Rumble in the Jungle right where they're- I know. Where Ali fought. Yeah. I mean, something of their- It would do it. I wonder if they would do it like Rumble in the Jungle right where Ali fought. Yeah, I mean something of their day.

It would be insane. They could probably get a million people there. Yeah. I mean you got to do that. Yeah. That would be incredible. If he fought in Cameroon, I mean Cameroon has a venue. Probably not.

It's not just that. It was also like you have to have a fighter hotel where all the fighters can stay. And you'd have to have world-class facilities for them to train at. I don't know. I mean, South Africa's, you know, probably, they probably have that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure they do in South Africa.

Cape Town. Yeah. So. But I would want to do it where Francis is from. Yeah. Oh, that'd be, that'd be ideal. Yeah. Oh, it'd be, I couldn't imagine that environment. Yeah. They might want to build a hotel is from. Yeah. Oh, that'd be ideal. Yeah. Oh, it'd be, I couldn't imagine that environment.

Yeah. They might want to build a hotel for that. Yeah. You know how the Olympics, they go in and they rebuild the whole city? Yeah. I mean, you'd have to do it. It would be the biggest spectacle. It would be a crazy fight.

Yeah. He deserves it. He does. They both deserve it. What he came, you know, how to get out of there and what he's made of his of his life it's amazing i mean he should have he should have wrote a chapter and endure yeah he's gonna write his own book i'm sure no kidding that story that he told my podcast was insane and i'm sure there's many many layers to that story i'm sure there's many stories that you know he just couldn't get into because you know he's trying to just get to the point yeah yeah i mean i couldn't

imagine going through that you know every day what his what he thought about or what what the mindset was the thing is like he got through and he's so nice like when you're around francis he's so gentle and nice he's like such a friendly guy he's always smiling and he's really nice yeah until you get locked in that cage with him yeah see that's he's different because like at uh mike tyson i never heard anybody say how how nice he was no no it's just intimidation yeah it's terrifying just scary yeah even you sitting across the table i remember you said that like a few years ago when he was on here. I changed the size of my table because of him. Yeah. It was a little too close. Yeah. Well, what happened was we had the same size table, but I was thinking about making the table smaller. And then after doing the

podcast with him, I was like, I don't want to be closer to him. I'm scared. But that's when he was getting ramped up to fight Roy Jones. It was funny because after he left, I turned to Jamie, and Jamie was like, that's a totally different person. Because we had him on, what was it, like 10 months prior to that? And he was a super mellow stoner. Yeah. Because he'd been smoking a lot of weed. He wasn't even working out.

Right. And I asked him, I go, why do you not work out? And he goes, I don't want to reignite my ego. That's what he said. And man, man was that prophetic yeah because then he did well it's you gotta imagine there's memories in that man's brain of just being the ultimate conqueror yeah you know how do you how his competition is hard to walk away from anyway yeah let alone if you're mike tyson and it's also like when he would hit

those pads you could see him like recreating it in his mind like thinking about like what it was like when he was at his best yeah he did that on the plane with that kid that was bug they died pressing charges that's one good thing about Los Angeles lacks like district attorney yeah the way they're handling violence yeah like yeah whatever fuck that guy Well, and obviously he deserved it you could watch a serve so they're saving the taxpayers a lot of money Yeah, and the guy was a lengthy he had a lengthy criminal history. Yeah, not a good guy. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy was a criminal guys in and out of jail and irritated dirtbag irritating jailbird who was drunk.

Not a good combination. Fate put him on that flight right behind Mike Tyson. That's what happened. Fate wanted him to get fucking mollywhopped in front of the whole world. And Tyson just hit him a few times. I know. Kind of gentle. Yeah. But it would have been scary as hell to have Tyson leaning over his seat, punching you.

I know. Imagine. God. If Tyson wanted to, he would have got scary as hell to have Tyson leaning over his seat, punching you. I know. Imagine. God. If Tyson wanted to, he would have got out of his seat and come over to him, and then the guy would have been fucked. I'm surprised he didn't grab him by his neck and haul him over. Yeah, right? Just, ugh. Imagine if Mike Tyson beat a guy to death on a plane.

You almost saw it. Could happen. Oh, my God. Plus, he was on mushrooms, I think. Oh. He was definitely high as fuck. He was saw it. It could happen. Oh my God. Plus he was on mushrooms, I think. Oh. He was definitely high as fuck. He was coming from

some crazy cannabis event. And then, or he went, he went somewhere like Florida. I thought he was going there or maybe coming from, but yeah. Yeah.

I remember I read that. Yeah. I'm addicted to these fighter stories. I know. Well, it's like, there's something to all these things that's connected, whether it's to you when you do these 240-mile runs,

when you do these races, or when you prepare for mountain hunting. It's like there's something to all those things that's attractive to people, and that's one of the cool things about the title of your book, Endure, because it's a perfect title for what you stand for and what, what's so interesting about this because everybody knows how hard it is to endure. It's, it's really hard to push. Like when you're tired and you, it's like these little creeping thoughts in your head of like, just quit now, just take a break. Let's just get some water. Let's take a shit. Let's's do something and you got to say no but you don't just got to say no now you have to say no three seconds from

now you have to say no an hour from now you have to say no and keep saying no over and over again and then you have to do it every day for your whole life yeah that's the secret to the cam haynes story is that you you just figured out a way. I don't know what it is, but you figured out a way to push hard every day no matter what. Right. And that, I mean, the whole point to the book, I didn't have this big dream to write a book. Esther, my book agent, she heard the story and knew of me and thought that, you know, we could get this out there. And I'm just like kind of a willing participant, but I wasn't seeking it out. But the whole point to it is just to show people what, what is possible, because if I always say, if I did it, anybody

can do it, but it takes that, like what you said, that enduring every day. And there's going to be things that come up. There's going to be challenges. You're going to be people, your life is going to feel terrible. You're going to feel terrible you're going to feel like you're alone all this but you keep working keep pushing keep pushing and anybody can make it out that's what's so hard about it though is that it never ends and the thing that's so interesting about people like yourself that do these ultra marathon races and that run so often and put in so many miles is that no one wants to do that. Like, I don't even think you want to do it. You do it because you know it has to be done. But I guarantee you there's times where you don't want to do it.

There's a, I mean, how much, how much of the time when you run, do not want to run? I, I don't know. It depends on the day because I'm, as you said, we're the same age. So, you know, I'm, I'm banged up. So there's some days where every mile, a half mile is hard and it hurts. And I'm like, this is terrible. Then there's a special days where everything's clicking and I'm, I'm running free and I'm running to the mountain. I can see the mountain across town that I run to. I can see it's kind of, you know, flat where I live, but the mountain rises up and I can see it. And I'm like, that's where I'm going. That's my goal. And it's like, it's almost this microcosm of life. It's like, well, what's your goal? And so my goal has always been just to keep pushing. And this bow hunting thing has always driven me and to be something I could be proud of. And so that's been what I've been running towards. And so days like that, it's like, this is what I was born to do.

well you have a mindset it's like you're a very even guy like you're even keeled i don't think i've ever seen you yell you know i've known you for eight years don't talk to my kids but you're you're very even keeled like and i i think that's all that this mindset this part of your personality is also a part of the grind. Like don't get too down. Don't get too up. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. That's true. And that's what I tell people all the time. Um, people get their hopes up for things. I have, you know, the people would tell me like, I don't know, I have millions of stories about, Oh, this is going to happen. Even with this book. oh, you're going to make New York Times bestseller. And to me, I'm just like, I doubt it. So I doubt that that's going to happen because I've been through life so many

times where I've been so disappointed and I got my hopes so far up. Remember my first book, this book, I printed out 5,000 copies, went into debt, didn't have any money, $50,000 I had to spend. And I had probably a couple hundred of my own. So I borrowed it from everybody. And somebody said, oh, we're going to order 3,000 books. And in my head, I'm like, 3,000 books. Let's see, $20 a piece, whatever, 600. I'm making all this money.

And then they said, oh, no, no, no. Actually, we don't need that many. How about just sending us a couple cases? A couple cases from 3,000? I mean, and so I had been so, I was like, I made it, I did it. And then it's like, no, actually, no, you didn't do anything. And so I had those books for years, moved them. We moved houses and I had to move cases of books like out of this spare bedroom.

And so from lessons like that, the sponsors would tell me, oh, we're going to take you to Africa. You want to do this, do this and this never happened. Never, never came through. Never. So it's like now I'm just like, no, I mean, you know, my, my life from this decision isn't going to be over. My life isn't going to change. It's going to be great. It's probably just going to be somewhere probably just gonna be somewhere in the middle,

and in the middle I'm just gonna have to keep working. Is it better? Is it better that you had to be let down because you never lost your discipline? Like even though the excitement of like these big moments didn't happen, you kept hammering, you kept grinding, and then ultimately did

reach incredible levels of success but it's it's through this constant repetitive and doing work ethic and enduring yeah yeah I mean it's uh I don't know I still don't feel like I have the answer I mean yeah I wrote a book I so I told my story everybody has their story and a lot of people think that their story is worthy of a book probably yeah um i told my story because i just want if somebody somebody was like me um their dad wasn't around their you know alcoholism in their family um they feel no confidence you know i didn't have anything going for me so there's people out there like that there's probably a lot of people like that and so and so just to give them hope that's what the books for

Just to give the regular guy hope is that something because you do have a lot of fans and you have a lot of Interaction with fans online and there's a lot of people like because I know because a lot of times people tag me and stuff that They send to you. Um Does that motivate you knowing that these people look up to you and that they admire your discipline and it gives them inspiration? Because it's one of the things that I think is very interesting about the Internet. There's never been, like, there's a lot of negative things about the Internet, but the positives, in my opinion, greatly outweigh the negatives.

the internet, but the positives, in my opinion, greatly outweigh the negatives. And one of the real positives is just the overall mountain of inspiration that's available to people right now. There's so many, there's Goggins and there's Jocko and there's you, and then there's all these video clips that people put together. And on any given day, you could see something that gets you fired up and you want to do better. You want to get your life together better is are you aware of the impact that you have on other people and is that something that motivates you no I mean I don't know what the impact is but what motivates me is to not let people down not let myself down not let people down that that I know people do look up to me I've you know it's hard to figure out why, because I

still, like I said, I still have the nine to five job, but that's part of the reason why they like you. I still do all the normal things. Um, but I did, I mentioned this the other day on a post cause I posted back your original tweet to me in 2014. And you know, this is like, and what that was, there's an example on how social media can work and it can give somebody. And I think I wrote in there that, you know, I was a guy with my head down looking at the ground. No reason really to to raise up and have dreams. I was just this is what it's going to be. I'm going to work here and I'm going to work in the woods in this small logging community.

And this is my life. And then things happen. And then all of a sudden you start, your gaze goes up and now you're on the horizon and you're like, Hmm, you know, cause before my world, I lived 20 miles outside of Springfield, Eugene and Springfield. And like a big trip would be like, Hey, you want to head to town? So my world was 20 miles. It was from my small town to town, which is where a movie theater was. And that was so my world was 20 miles big. And then I was then then you start looking up and you're like, well, man, how about the mountains way over in eastern Oregon? Eagle Cap Wilderness.

That's more than 20 miles. That's a whole nother world. And then you send a tweet like that and you say, Hey, do you want to come to LA? And you want to talk about bow hunting and fitness? And I'm like, man, this is a lot bigger than I thought it was. And then all of a sudden you're, now you're looking at the mountain tops and you're like, I wonder what life is up there on top of that mountain. And that's how, that's how it starts. But it starts with this, this person who has no reason really to dream, no, no reason to be confident or to have anything excited about anything. And that's, you're just kind of walking with your head down. And then through these little changes

in this attitude, one person believing in you, one person doubting you, maybe that gives you fuel. And then all of a sudden that gaze starts raising raising and then now you have the biggest dreams in the world and through some weird um endeavor like bow hunting from from small town guy i've been able to meet you athletes train with people on how i can be a better better a bow hunter from a logging town and And it's like I trained with Olympians. And it's like, but it all starts with that small little journey. And it's like, so that's what I say. If I did it, who couldn't do it? Everybody could.

Yeah, everybody can. It's not like you're born a prince and they gave you a golden bow and gave you like private archery lessons from the best coaches in the world. No, you figured it out on your own. I was. Okay. So I mean, you mentioned private archery lessons. I did.

I was friends with Roy Roth, who was still the toughest man I've ever met. Great in the mounds. Learned so much from him. And then Wayne, who owns a bow rack. He, you know, amazing Archer. These were my friends. Yeah. So it's like, I, I got lucky. I was, I was just in San Diego yesterday, did Jocko's podcast. And I was down there running on the beach and I was thinking, what if I lived here? What, what would I be? Well, there's no Roy, there's no Wayne,

there's no, the bow rack. Would I, who would I have been? It's an interesting question, right? I, I, and I saw this kid and he was fishing and I'm, he's fishing in the ocean there just by himself. And I was thinking, well, I wonder if, I mean, maybe he's going to be something, maybe that's his thing. Maybe because of that thing that he's doing by himself on a, I think this was a Saturday, fishing by himself. Maybe he has this big dream and maybe that's going to lead to something. Isn't it also interesting that we think of someone becoming something, whereas what they're doing, more people know about it. When more people know about what you're doing, then you're something.

That's weird, right? So it's a weird thing. It's like accomplishing something is amazing, but we want not only to accomplish something, but to be recognized and have an impact on people. It's a significant part of why both of us do what we do. I mean, if I did this podcast and nobody enjoyed it, I don't know if I'd keep doing it. I think the only reason why I do it is that people like it and they give me money, obviously. But the reason why they give me money is because people like it. That's the real

motivation is that I enjoy doing it. And then I also know that a lot of people respond to it and they like it. A lot of people listen. So if you're doing your thing, whether it's bow hunting or that kid who's fishing, what if a lot of people were watching that kid fishing? What if that kid is like this really motivational, inspirational fisherman? It sounds crazy, but it also sounds crazy to be a motivational, inspirational bow hunter. You've figured that out. So it's like, what is, it's like human endeavors, whatever they are, like the human spirit, the whatever is in a person that makes them exceptional

is expressed through so many different mediums. It could be expressed through swimming, it could be expressed through painting, whatever you're doing. Poetry. painting, whatever you're doing. Poetry. Anything, whatever you're doing. But that thing we're trying to do is we're trying to affect people in a positive way. We're trying to get people excited. There's a thing that you get rewarded for, and that reward is to make people's lives better and sometimes you can make people's lives better

just through your own personal effort, just through hard work and being an example. And that example fires people up and they get excited and some people get mad at you and they fuck, and I know you respond to that and you get mad at haters, but the reason why you have haters is because people are upset that you're getting attention and they feel like, oh, he's taking attention away from me it's just a weak-minded perspective but it's super super common well you i mean you're as much as anybody i mean hunting and making in the quote industry is very competitive and then men have egos it's one of it's one of the bigness biggest weaknesses we have is our ego i think

and so i would be my attitude was well i need to win and there's no if this guy's winning he's taking from me you know and so you were the one who kind of pulled the curtains back on that and that's what i wrote about in the book is that you know i can't remember how you said it but you said there's enough cake for everyone and it was like i I had never thought that, well, if I win, they can win too, or if they win, I can win also. I thought about it as one or the other, and it's not. Most people think like that. Right. That's not the case.

It's a famine mentality, and it's bad for everybody. It's bad for the person that thinks that way more than anybody. It's way worse for them than even the person they hate on. When someone hates on you, it gives you energy. Goggins loves it. He loves it. I wish those motherfuckers would hate on me every day. I read that bullshit.

Yeah. He says he records them and then listens back. Listens back and he loves it. He's a different man. Yeah. He is a different kind of man I love that mentality though because that that's what social media is shared that mentality which how would you know about that mentality like where

I where I grew up is a 1a or we were 2a when I was there but a small school hundred kids where are you gonna be exposed to somebody with that mentality right you're not you're not you know so if you make it out it was just like kind of luck kind of luck, kind of who knows what happened. You know, you've got a twist of fate worked your way. Now there's guys and that's where social media is like, you can talk all the shit you want about it. It's an amazing tool to enhance lives. If that's what you're looking for. It's also an amazing, it exposes personality. It exposes the way human psychology works.

And that's where the whole hater thing comes into perspective because so many haters, like they're, the reason why they hate is so illogical. But it's really just when they feel bad because of other people's success. Whether it's an athlete's success or a musician or an entertainer, whatever it is that bothers them.

They feel bad because they haven't reached the same level of success this other person has and they feel like it's unattainable, so they want to chop that person down to make the world fair. What they don't understand is that that doesn't help anyone it doesn't help you and if it's you're hating Goggins it actually helps him which is bad but for most people it just makes

them feel uncomfortable and then they just don't want to listen to you anymore but it doesn't stop them from getting and also it doesn't convince other people that you're correct you just seem like a bitch yeah when you like when you have all this hyperbole that you're correct. You just seem like a bitch. Yeah. When you like, when you have all this hyperbole that you attach to, you know, like you exaggerate how bad a person is. You do. Everyone knows why you're doing it. When they look at you and your life's a fucking disaster and you're hating on someone that's super successful. Everybody knows. But you, you think you're tricking people. You think you're so virtuous virtuous and so amazing and even though you haven't achieved any fucking success At all you want to shit on this person and somehow or another it's gonna knock that but you don't like them because they're killing it

Right, that's what it is. Everyone knows but you even your fucking wife knows Yeah, you come home and bitch about some guy was playing in the NFL You don't think your wife knows and don't you don't everybody knows and they should know right when they look in the mirror They got to know but they haven't been taught. That's what it is You have to be taught and you you have to look I came from a martial arts background And when you come from a martial arts background you must look at things for what they are or you get hurt You get hurt You can't lie and pretend you're good because then

You'll your dumbass will take a fight with someone who'll fuck you up and you'll think you're going to win. Right. And you should know. Right. You should know. And you can't, you got to be able to objectively analyze your skills. You have to have confidence, but you also have to have objectivity. You have to look at what you can and can't do and know that you haven't gotten there yet. Maybe you will get to that level someday, but right now you're not there. And when you see someone that's really good you've got to be inspired by them instead of hating on them say oh he's nothing I'm gonna fuck him up there's a lot of people that think like that yeah those people wind up getting taken out on stretchers yeah because they they are delusional they look at the world the

wrong way if they looked at it the right way they would look at it like Mike Tyson used to do when he was watching those old films of Jack Johnson and and Jack Dempsey and And and of Harry Greb and watching those world-class fighters from the fucking 30s and the 40s and shit watching Willie pep films He did all that. He didn't look at them and go fuck those guys. No, I'm better about that. I'm better He would talk about them with reverence. Yes about Joe Lewis and Rocky Marciano. He would talk about them with reverence. He would talk about Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano. He would talk about them with reverence about how amazing they were. And that is what made him great is that he – part of what it is, I mean obviously besides all the other great things, is that he concentrated on excellence. And instead of like hating like many people do. Like in his, in this amazing world that Mike Tyson lived in, he had this guy named Jim Jacobs, who was his manager, who collected boxing films.

So he had one of those old like, one of those old projection things, and he would sit and watch these old timey fights that this guy had like stacks and stacks of. So it was like this amazing environment for him to just take in inspiration. Learn and be inspired. It's respecting history.

Yes. It's, yeah, the inspiration. It's fuel. Yeah. And that's what the internet gives you. On top of the haters, there's going to be haters because it's a part of, it's a natural path of thinking. It's a natural human personality path. thinking. It's a natural human personality path. But beside that, what's also available is if you look at it the right way, everyone becomes fuel. Kind people, nice people become an inspiration.

You go, God, I want to be nice like that guy. I wish I was nice like that guy. And then you learn how to be kinder. When I'm around that person, they're always smiling. I feel better. God, I got to do that more. I got to be nicer to people It's better. It's better for them. It's better for me, right? And you can learn we can all learn from each other that way that's I mean it's take I'm you know Not young so I wish I would have learned this a long time ago but I have tried to look at people who are successful who I look up to and That's what the kind of the book is about where I have the chapter about where I take from all these

people I look up to. Everybody respects. But it's like, how can I take what they do and apply it to my own life? Yes. And before it was it was just like I have to win. I have to beat everybody. I have to I would I would look for negatives of that person. Well, well, yeah, I could do that, too, if all I did was train. for negatives of that person. Well, well, yeah, I could do that too. If all I did was train, I could run that good, you know? And so I, instead of that attitude, it's just like, no, well, how about this? And then you take the positive part and then you add it to your arsenal and then you're growing and you're improving and you're appreciating and gratitude and all this thing that makes you, I mean, you have to be a complete human. Yes. You can't be a negative looking at the negative, everything thinking like you've been cheated in life and that's why you're not successful and you should be getting more attention.

No, you have to have you switch that mindset to gratitude and and then you see everything differently. Yes. Yes. And it's the same experience. You are the same human, the same biological creature that's seeing the same world, but you're looking at it a completely different way and it empowers you. Exactly. Not only that, the person that you, instead of like hating on someone, you actually can appreciate the qualities of them. And if you ever meet them, then you could say,

hey man, I just want to tell you, I saw a video that you put out there and it really moved me and I thought it was awesome. Or I saw this or I remember watching you when I was that or I saw something that this person did or I read your book or I watched your whatever the fuck it is. That's what we should all strive for. We should all strive for figuring out how to conquer that little dirty inner bitch, that dirty little bitch

that wants to be jealous, that inner, that inner like coward that wants to like look at the world in a distorted lens because it gives your sad little sorry ego comfort to do that. And I, I see men, you know, like I said, men, including myself have that. And I see them and I see them talking like that and it's like you can't respect it when you've seen through a different lens the lens we're talking about and then you see that the exact opposite is you can't respect it well I just want to get away from them yeah when they do that I'm like yeah get out of here right especially me because like I was that guy when I was young mm-hmm I was that guy how'd you change i really well

i feel i feel like i figured out what was holding me back was bullshit like if i looked at someone and i didn't and i thought oh they ain't shit i was like that's not true they're fucking awesome like what's wrong with you and i spent a lot of time by myself thinking you know and i spent a lot of time training one of the things that comes out of training like really hard training is that after it's over there's these revelations there's these like moments of peace where the training is so hard and you're so exhausted and a lot of times you're by yourself maybe I'll be sitting there stretching or something like that and I'll be thinking and I just learned I just thought about it always. And I was like, this is not true. Like this is not serving me, it's not helping me.

So it wasn't a life coach, it was a self-realization. I've been coached inadvertently by a lot of things that I saw. I've been coached by other people's failures. I've been coached by other people's successes. I've been coached by my own failures. I've been coached by other people's successes. I've been coached by my own failures. I've been coached by my own successes. But I also read a lot of books.

Like this guy on my arm, Miyamoto Musashi. There's a reason why this is on my arm. It's from the Book of Five Rings. So a million years ago, when I was an editor for Eastman's Bowling Journal, I had a quote you said during a fight from him. You know, if you master one thing you see the way in all things something like that and i quoted you and this was like way before we ever

met but i that that means something to me too because that that also you said it during a fight once and that's what i took in my editorial i wrote that i heard you during the ufc broadcast say that and it's, that kind of resonated with me. That makes sense. And then I started, then I was at, I was at my, my normal job. And I remember when I first started there, there's this job that came open, the job I did for 20 years as a buyer and nobody put in for it. That was internal that already worked the company. And, and so I was the only person who put in, I was on the construction crew and I put in and they, and I was like, well, how come nobody else is putting in? They're like, Oh, we don't want to deal with the office bullshit. I'm like office

bull. I mean, what I was making $7 an hour and now I'm making 18. What bullshit are you talking about? And there was no office bullshit. It was just like, that was just a thing that, you know, talking about and there was no office bullshit it was just like that was just a thing that you know there's like the stigma of office bullshit nobody put in success nobody put in for the job so it's like all these little lessons i learned i heard you say that i my my work life and then i was like god maybe all this shit all this maybe this isn't real maybe what's real and you said you would after training you would have this, this enlightenment thing. For me, it's been when I'm running and when I'm running and there's nothing else to think about. I'm running. And sometimes like you can run and you can go through

all these wave of, sometimes I'll think about my dad and get kind of sad or think about Roy and, and, you know, just question stuff. And then sometimes I'm feeling really good. And then, like I said, I'm looking at the mountain and like that's what I'm doing today. And when I get there, I can't wait to get to the top. And I do this little video and everybody knows the video. Oh, you're on top of your mountain. And so I'm like, I kind of look forward to sharing that video because I know other people look forward to it. But then you're so all these different factors come in and you're like, I've been looking at this fucking all this shit the wrong way.

Yeah. actors come in and you're like, I've been looking at this fucking, all this shit the wrong way. Yeah. Why, why, why have I been putting this negative energy into all this when it, all I had to do is change my mindset. And that's all that's happened in, in my life and in the book. And then once you change that, it's just like, they say that, you know, the more you give, the more you receive, you know, you get more generous with money. And another thing I learned from you is how generous you are. And so I'm like, well, I'm going to implement that too. And another thing I learned from you is how generous you are. And so I'm like, well, I'm going to implement that too. I've been rewarded more in life.

And it's like, God dang, what is going on? It's real. It's 100% real. Yeah, it's real. And all we're trying to do is share. It's like, look at this, guys. Look. There's a lot of power in love. And I know that sounds very cliche, but there's power in love.

And when you're generous and when you're kind and when you're complimentary and when you're appreciative and you're grateful, that's love. That's like happiness. Negativity should be reserved for the most evil of things that you can come across in life. And a lot of negativity that I encounter In life. I always have this Reaction I go on a hate. I want to be angry I was a mean fucking kid when I was young man when I was fighting I was mean because that was the only way I thought I could win

I mean I thought I had to be mean in order to be successful because you're trying to hurt someone you're you're in a sport Where you there's a trained fighter and you're trying to hurt someone you're you're in a sport where there's a trained fighter and you're trying to hurt that trained fighter it took a long time before i knew how to let that go and one of the things that really helped me was appreciating people for the good qualities and so even when someone like hates on me there's like there's a part of me that goes i get it i know where they're coming from i bet if i got alone with them talked to them for a while i could i could fucking let them know the real me and you know like we're talking on the today like sometimes there's whole articles written about shit that i've said on the podcast and then i'll read the article i'm like well i don't even agree

with that i don't even agree with what i said like I said it and it was like I'm talking but if someone said yeah but this I would have went yeah actually you're right that's a good point that's that's yeah that sort of cancels out what I'm saying or that's another perspective that's in hand we get so locked into protecting our ego and protecting like our identity and shielding ourselves from like fear and the fear of the unknown and the fear of other people. And the big leaps that I've made in my life have all come from abandoning that. And it all, a lot of it has come from love. A lot of it has come from appreciating people. A lot of it has come from celebrating people. A lot of what I do in this podcast is talk about how great people are.

It's a big part of it. Great comedians, great friends like you, bow hunters and athletes and musicians and rappers and singers and fucking guitar players. I love people. I think that's a giant part of life, man. It's like life is all of these creatures that we call human beings existing for this very short amount of time. And you could spend that short amount of time, that hundred years if you're lucky, you could spend that hundred years being a creep and being an asshole and hating your neighbor and hating everybody else. Or you could just forgive people and just be as nice as you can and reserve the real hate and anger for when you're fucking protecting your life or you're protecting loved ones.

People make mistakes. People are fucked. They're flawed. They're filled with you've thought in a negative way in the past. I've thought in a negative way in the past. It's like we're all capable of great things it's just we have to find that path to these great things and when you do find that path if you share it with others it helps you don't want to keep it to yourself tell other people they want them

all they want to elevate that yeah I mean one thing you I you I picked up that you just said but where you change your perspective on something you said, and then you read it back. I think that's a hard thing for a lot of people to, for one thing, some, there's people I've worked with before that I've never heard them say, I don't know. I actually don't know. It's crazy, right? You know, they always know.

And it's like, no, you, it's okay to say you don't know. You know, they always know. And it's like, no, you it's OK to say you don't know. Or another thing is somebody could say, well, well, but I thought last time you said it was this way. And and nobody wants to say, yeah, I did. I was wrong. Those things. Right. I don't know. And yeah, I was wrong. Yeah. I mean, I was talking to Jocko about this with this origin thing that you know, we're involved in that's one thing that I've noticed with Jocko and origin and and the men involved in this is that it doesn't seem like there's an ego that's Protecting things that it's always like taken in that positive light Yeah

you know the feedback or the Nobody's really married to this thing like this has to be this way and I'm not compromising right it's always like oh okay I did yeah I didn't actually didn't think of that that's leadership right I mean Jocko was a Navy SEAL leader and when you lead a bunch of elite alpha males like a bunch of Navy SEALs you can't have any of that bullshit right you gotta be there and not operate at the best. I mean, there's no way to be the best. No, and Jocko was at the best.

And that sort of mentality, that's one of the beautiful things about what Jocko does when he teaches leadership. He calls it extreme ownership. That's a big part of it. Own everything. Yeah, I was wrong. That's part of owning. Yeah, whatever Yeah, it's like yeah, I was actually wrong on that and I've you know had I've learned since then human beings are so messy man

I know there's so much going on and I mean I'm a different person 15 times a day, you know depending upon whether I've eaten whether I'm tired whether I got good news or bad news and like it's it's hard to navigate through that weird sort of river of emotions and expectations and anxiety and just be consistent and have these principles that you follow by. Like, be honest, be truthful, be nice whenever possible. Right. Be disciplined, be grateful, get through it. But if you can do that oh you can write a

fucking book like cam haynes and it'll be awesome it's just thank you that's what that's what we all strive for we all strive to be the best version of ourselves that we can be and there's a lot involved in that and you can't get that way through bullshit it doesn't exist no one who reaches the top of anything got there through bullshit right like that whole fake it till you make it. Get the fuck out of here with that. Nobody says that has ever made it. Yeah. That's not real. That fake it till you make it shit. No, just fucking be real about what it is and strive to make it and whatever making it is. I don't even know what making it is. I don't either. I don't think it exists because I don't feel like I made it. I don't even know what that means. I mean, I could ever imagine

being as successful as I am now when I was a child, but I still don't think I made it. I don't think, I don't think it's a place. I think it's bullshit. I think it's like fucking Narnia. I don't think it exists. Well, how do you, so, I mean, everybody would look at your life and think that you made it. So how do you have that? What, what is it about that? Why are you, I mean, everybody would look at your life and think that you made it. So how do you have that? What is it about that? Why are you? I mean, we've talked about different things. We've talked about archery and like, oh, we need to just these big goals in archery and like a business and things like this.

Why do you keep chasing new things? I mean, what is it? What drives you? I don't know. I don't think about it that much. I mean, I just do it. That's how I measure whether or not I'm okay. That's how I figure it out.

I don't think anybody who doesn't have challenges in their life is happy. I don't think the human animal is designed for no challenges. I think the human animal is designed for no challenges. I think the human animal is designed for constant tests. And when you reach, I don't think there's ever gonna be a point in my life when I don't do difficult things. I'm gonna be doing some difficult shit until my fucking ticker stops.

And that's just how it goes. That's the whole idea. Everybody wants this moment where you're drinking lemonade with your wife and just sitting out there looking at the sunset. jordan peterson said that he's like it was a great uh video that you could probably find if you go looking on online it's like what is what what is making it and he's like what's what's your version of making it oh i want to be sitting on the beach drinking margaritas he goes for how long yeah for six months yeah months? Yeah. And he goes, you're going to have liver failure.

He goes, you're going to get bored. Like, what are you talking about? That's not real. This idea that people have of these moments that you're going to reach, this like holding hands and walking into the sunset. Like, that shit's not real. Can't do it. What's real is in the now.

Yeah. Excuse me. And what I know about in the now is that I have a human body that has, it's a 54-year-old body that has been a part of the genetic chain that has evolved for hundreds of thousands of years. had to fight off predators and hide from warring tribes and go to battle against intruders and find food for your children. And that body and that mind needs problems. It needs problems. It needs to find solutions. It needs work.

It needs stress. You know, I got up this morning, took my kid to school, and then I went and did a fucking brutal leg workout. No one's over my shoulder telling me how to do it. There's no one there. I didn't even listen to any music. Today I just decided to just fucking grind. And while I was doing that, it was interesting because when it was over, I finally got through it all.

It was like an hour and a half later. I'm exhausted. I can't walk. My legs were all wobbly and shit, but I was like, I did like another day you won see you tomorrow bitch yeah right and that's that's like my my little battle that I'm playing with life my little battle that I'm playing with life is if there's no hard things yeah for me to do I'm gonna make my own hard thing right because I know that if I don't then the rest of life will Be hard right? Yeah, I don't want that. I want the rest of life to be easy

So the hardest thing that I do I want it to be some shit that I make myself do right that way the other things That break other people for me. I'm like Right this is easy You can't do to me what I do to myself right you're not going to and that's I mean That's exactly like when you talk about the long races, that if nothing else, yeah, they're terrible during it. And I do actually enjoy that feeling. But also it makes regular life seem like, wait, what are you upset about? Yeah.

This is nothing. I remember we were hanging out once and I forget who it was that said to you Well after this is over you and I should race and you go well good luck with that You said good luck with that like a guy who's run for three days straight through the mountains Yeah, cuz like when you did that it was after you did the Moab 240 today And I know they were just fucking around yeah, but it was the way you was after you did the moab 242 right and i know they were just fucking around yeah yeah but it was the way you said it you were like well good luck with that yeah no i mean if that that's just what i've done every day forever but and like you

said you lifted today um that's what i was doing when you came and picked me up today yeah it's like lifting in the gym it's like i think once think once you have that, that, that you, you need that, you need it. You need it. You need something, whether it's yoga or running or something, you need something because regular life there is, I mean, there's challenge. Yeah. But not we, we eliminate all the challenge. We're never really that hot. We're never really that cold. It's easy to get food. We're never hungry. You know, it's just like, so if you just take the path of least resistance, man, you're not maximizing your life. And obviously for people out there that have to work 16 hours a day and, you know, you have a very difficult physical job, you don't have the time or the energy to do other things.

I get it. You're doing it already. You're doing it whether you're realizing it or not by enduring those days. So much respect for those, for the workers that keep us going. You know what I mean? So I get that too. And they're at the top of my list, the laborers and at my work, the guys who are in the field putting waterline in the ground. How do you not respect those guys? So I do get that too. Hard living. Yeah. I remember I was reading this power lifting article. This guy was talking about power lifting,

and one of the things that he recommended was to get a hard labor job. Yeah. I was like, wow, this is interesting. And he was like, some of the biggest gains that I made was when I was a mason and I was carrying bricks all day. And I remember thinking that, like, whoa, that's a commitment to getting strong. Yeah. Like this guy's idea was just get a job. We have to lift heavy shit all day and then commitment to getting strong. Yeah, like this guy's idea was just get a job

We have to lift heavy shit all day and then go to the gym Yeah, I know and I remember I was like I think when I was like 18 or 19 when I read that I was like Jesus Yeah, it was like daunting for someone who was already struggling with discipline. I was like my god. That's daunting Yeah, this guy's choosing to get a hard labor job just to strengthen his body yeah but you know what you're you know as well as anybody what your body is capable of yeah i mean we're capable so much and then we we water that down and we we don't expect much of our body and it's like you can't tell me that there's people who are doing just incredible things that are the exact same species as us are i I mean, maybe we can't do what they do.

We can do a lot more or a lot closer or challenge ourselves and get to a higher level for sure than just bare minimum. You can do a lot more than you think you can. Yeah. That's a fact. You can do a lot more than you think you can. And it's hard to get a person to recognize that without actually setting a goal and trying to achieve that goal. Because if you're just kind of going to the gym every day and you have some sort of lackadaisical, well, I'm going to get my time, man. I'm not going to kill myself.

I'm just going to put a little workout in. You don't really know what you're capable of until you set a goal. And that's when you realize. It's like you're capable of a lot. The body has an amazing capacity amazing yeah but it's just you have to you have to push it or it's never going to find that you're always going to think that you're capable of less and so what so i've always said this your body will give what you ask of it if you don't ask much it won't give you much

but i see that how genetics can not genetics i, I don't know, your body can change. I put up this thing. Did you see that archery video about the guys shooting? Yes. And their bone structure changed. So did that change? I mean, is it that person changed their body? Let's talk about what that video is for people that didn't see it these guys

They found that these longbows that these Europeans were pulling back. What was it a hundred and ninety pounds to pull him back? It was I think they were over a hundred I don't know if they're up to the Mongolians 160, but they were let's see it find the video because it's on cams Instagram is it I think it was more than that. I think it was more than the Mongolians. They said their bone structure changed. Which makes sense because if you're doing this for war

and it's like whether or not your arrow can pierce armor, whether or not your arrow can go through these thick cowhide shields that they put on or whatever they had on them, wood or whether it was metal. Like there it is. Give me some volume on this and replay it. You got to click that little thing. There you go.

We're superhuman. Let me explain. This is an English longbowman. He has a different skeleton than us. So one of the main reasons why England was so dominant in the Middle Ages was because these guys were so deadly. There are historical records of these bows piercing through armor, but historians thought

it was a myth, it was an exaggeration. But then archeologists finally actually found some of these bows in a shipwreck. And they found something that shocked them. You see, modern big game hunting bows have a draw weight of about 60 to 70 pounds. Maybe some folks go up to like 80 or 90. These English longbows had a draw weight of up to 190 pounds.

Modern bow hunters actually debate these findings because they think it's unrealistic. But people in England were required to train with a bow from childhood on, and it actually changed their skeletal structure. The bones in their left arms became enlarged. Their fingers look different. with a bow from childhood on and it actually changed their skeletal structure the bones and their left arms became enlarged their fingers look different they basically became superhuman people in the past yeah superhuman's the goal oh yeah that's what i said yeah and it's like so but that okay that's one thing but it reminded me of goggin's story where his you know his he had knee issues and things like that.

That's putting it mildly. Right. But, I mean, his body changed. His knee issues were so crazy that he had bone-on-bone arthritis for a decade and was running. So it's something called like wolf syndrome, I think it's called, where his bone tried to adapt to the fact that it was getting tortured. So it like misshaped. And when his doctor looked at his knee, he said, I can't imagine that you can fucking walk on this. Never mind run thousands of miles yeah and he did his book amazing book can't hurt me but he ran 7 000 miles in one year which is you know 20 miles a day every single day so he's put in the miles yeah and he's still i mean there wasn't long ago i met him down there he talks about this in the book and

we went on a 20 mile run and he's grind i mean running hard hard with no meniscus no heartless just thrashed but it's just like that mindset so but this video this english longbowman and then you talk about your body adapting me saying that your body gives what you ask of it is a hundred percent true yeah it's a hundred percent true these and so if but these people who are in this thing about path of least resistance What do you expect is gonna happen? Push the least we gotta you got to push yourself push yourself and then your body Just as we've seen with these examples will respond in incredible ways and you don't have to do it right away either You can just like start slowly you could build up to it

You don't want to get yourself to a position where all your ligaments blow apart and your shoulders fall off. You got to work your way up to it. But have some goals and do it. Think of it the same way you think about medicine. If you had a disease, let's think if you had a disease and they said, hey, Cam, we got bad news. The bad news is you have a terrible disease and it's going to destroy your body. And it's going to destroy your life. It's going to destroy your mind disease and it's gonna destroy your body and it's gonna destroy your life it's gonna destroy your mind and it's gonna leave you depressed and it's gonna leave you sad and despondent but we have a

cure doesn't that cure that cure is exercise and you got to take that cure every day and if you don't take that cure every day you're gonna go down the road that the standard American diet practitioner has you're gonna get diabetes you're gonna be fat you're gonna have arthritis you're gonna go down the road that the standard american diet practitioner has you're gonna get diabetes you're gonna be fat you're gonna have arthritis you're gonna be fucked but if you do you're gonna thrive and you're gonna live a life like you're you and i are both 54 years old and that's fucking old for someone who works out like we do so we were kids you remember what you thought about a 54 year old oh old as hell oh my god dead man yeah dead i know when dead man. Yeah, dead. I remember when I was in high school, I had a crush on Madonna. Look at this old man.

Yeah. I had a crush on Madonna. She was so hot. She was hot as fuck. Then I found out she was 26. I was like, God, that bitch is old. I remember thinking that. I remember thinking that.

I don't know. 26, and I was like, God, she's so old. Remember when she, what was that, Vision Quest? Remember? Oh, yeah. She was playing in the bar or whatever that was. Oh, my God. I've seen that movie a hundred times.

That was my movie, man. When I used to get pumped up for martial arts. How awesome was that story? Fuck, man. Yeah. Matthew Modine. I know. I don't know who that guy was that played the bad guy.

The badass. Yeah. Fuck, that movie was great. I just watched it not long ago. Is this the bar scene? Yeah. There it is. Come on, Madonna.

Madonna's up there dancing. She's singing Crazy for You. I know. Look at her. Oh, yeah, look at that. She was hot. And now she's- Crazy.

Odd. It's odd now. Now she's- Crazy. Odd. It's odd now. Now she's... Not hot and crazy. It's, I don't know if she's crazy, because it's hard, because you get an impression of someone through social media, and it's very difficult to find out if that's really who they... So that's not her right there?

I thought that's how she was in real life. Oh, she's crazy back then. Just dancing, having fun. But she's on stage and performing. Yeah. But she seems, I mean, I'm going to say this kindly, a bit unhinged. I'm not happy with what she's doing. Let me hear some volume.

Let me hear what's going on here. Somebody could call me in here. Just restart that so I can see what the fuck she's saying. It's a song promo. Okay, but. Here's a toast to the incredible disposition that we are all in as artists, that we are able to make something out of nothing.

Listen, she's hanging next to a dude who looks like an alien reptile. Yeah, but I like that guy. I follow that guy. You guys are reptile heads? With the mask on. Who's that guy? Sick.

His music, he does his remixes with music. Sickick? Oh, it's so good. Yeah? Yeah, like listen to one of these. Oh, I don't know who that guy is. Yeah, give me some. He's awesome.

Give me some. I'll try to pick one that wasn't new. It's like I love you. Okay. When I move your moves. When I move your moves. When I move your moves. Hey DJ, bring that back

When I move your moves, like that Oh, he's a DJ, so he's mixing stuff. It's a good move too, because he can go to the grocery store and nobody fucks with him. Yeah. Right? He's balling with that crazy Darth Vader gold whatever the fuck mask is. He always wears different masks, but yeah, it's like little remix on hits. That's smart. It's like that marshmallow guy. He can go anywhere. Yeah.

And meanwhile, he's still selling out stadiums. I know. Those are sweet masks, though. They're sweet masks. I know. And look at his hoodie. You know, he's got his logo and he's sick. Do you think he wore those during the coronavirus? During the pandemic? For safety. Yeah. That's how it started. It might be how it started.

I mean, if you had to wear a mask, if they told you you got to wear a mask, and you wore that mask. Do you care about your community or not? I do. You care about your fellow people. But that's the thing that's like, you didn't used to be able to wear a mask like that.

If you went into a restaurant before, and you had that mask, people would be like, you got to get out of here. But look at the branding. I mean, every, so those thumbnails, see how sick they are? Yeah. It's consistent the branding. I mean, every, so those thumbnails, see how sick they are? Yeah.

It's consistent. Yeah. Colorful. Yeah. Pretty dope. How many followers does he have now? And he's got the crazy S. Let me guess.

Let me guess. Don't look at it. Don't look at it. 1.7 million. Way more. Oh, really? Yeah. 4.4 million.

Yeah. Oh, okay. I know. I like this guy. He might have a lot of fake followers. Bots. That's one thing they found out about Twitter. Elon put the hold on the Twitter purchase.

He's like, hey, how many fucking fake followers do you guys have? I'm a little skeptical on that. In what way? Everybody kind of knows, except for the people at Twitter that put out that 5% bot thing. They said they're only checking 100 accounts or something. Those are sample size. That's the sample size. And he got in trouble for saying that because he violated the NDA.

God, it'd be like 50%, 60%. Really? It's so high. You think it's 50% fake? If you look at some people's accounts when they tweet something, the amount of interaction that's happening at that moment is not real. It couldn't be real. When I put something up and then those girls,

the whatever porn girls or whoever they are. Oh, the bots. They're not girls. Those are fat Russian guys. They like me. What are you talking about? They're my fans. They give you the splash,

the water splash on the eggplant. Yeah, I'm in love with you or whatever they say. But how do they get a million likes in one second? So the moment that Instagram allowed people on PCs to look at it on a browser, bots took over Instagram. Right, yeah. Because they can set up programs to watch things change and update and immediately put comments on it. Now that they can add photos to it too, it's kind of ruined the platform. Have you seen the way they used to do it where they used to have like like a whole shelf filled with cell phones and they were all connected with wires in

the wall yeah and they were running programs on each cell phone it's they would call it a bot farm well i got the opposite of that on my page because if you're conservative and white then you're you're shut down basically guess what if you're conservative and black you're shut down too right so yeah so I'm what the algorithm yeah nothing now I mean compared to what it used to be well they've done something what's interesting is when Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter and then he made an offer and Twitter accepted it immediately I started getting way more followers. And I mean way more followers. From the time that Elon Musk said that he was going to buy Twitter and they

accepted it, I have gained 800,000 followers now. Really? Yeah. And it's like 100,000 in like the last week or so. I wonder, so what's up with that? I have no idea, but it's wild to see. So what's what's up with that? I have no idea but it's it's wild to see Like I've almost gained a million followers since he decided that he was going and this is just on Twitter Yeah, Instagram is way slower than it used to be and is way less engagement. It's interesting It's like they've done something they've decided that I'm controversial or something. They put me in some sort of a category That's what I'm saying. I'm not that controversial if If you look at what I post, it's not that controversial. I don't like, how fucking narrow do you want? What are you supposed to say?

Also, how narrow do you want the content to be? Your band of what is okay and what's not okay. You can say blue hair is good. Yeah, but they just decided that I'm problematic. Like, I don't know what's happened. I don't either. I mean, yeah. What's the category?

Are they sitting back there going, yeah, this guy, I mean, we don't like what he says. He's doesn't talk about being woke enough. So he's in this bucket. I just, I post funny things. I post interesting things. I post whatever I like to post. Yeah. I'm not like, I don't have like a lot of.

You don't have an agenda. No. You don't have an agenda. I mean, it's not like you're promoting this one thing and they're like, well, this isn't healthy or this isn't. I know. But for a lot of people I represent like anti-masks or anti-viral, anti-vaccine. You just said you want a mask like this.

I know. Like sick. But it's like a lot of people, because of all the shit that I went through with COVID, a lot of people put me into this category because of the conversations that I've had with Robert Malone and Peter McCullough. There's some weird algorithm issues. One thing, I'm just looking at your feed.

One thing I could guess would be they don't like when you, not you specifically, but when people post a lot of text on a thing. Really? They lean into videos and pictures. So when people post things with text, it kind of gets devalued immediately. Really? A hundred percent.

I've made posts that it tells me that. On Twitter or Instagram? On Instagram and Facebook. What do you mean it's told you that? How does it say it? When I used to make them. It used to say there's too much text in this. It said it? Yeah.. On Twitter or Instagram? On Instagram and Facebook. What do you mean it's told you that? How does it say it? When I used to make them. It used to say like, there's too much text in this.

It said it? Yeah. How did it say it? In what way? It'd be like a filter. It'd be like when you're uploading the thing, it'd be like there's, it would tell me like on the top and bottom,

there's like too much text here. You're not going to get X amount of engagement or whatever. And if you pay to get more. I've never seen that. I've never seen that. You're not uploading through like an ad platform or through the business platform. You're just uploading to your account.

What are you uploading through? When would it have been? Like through Facebook? Like when I'm using your page to upload something like that. Oh, I see. They'll say, like, consider cutting down the amount of text. Consider making your shit for stupid people. Or they just want your money so that you'll promote that post.

Right. I think that's really more what it is. That's a big thing. They just want your money so that you'll promote that post. Right. I think that's really more what it is. That's a big thing. They just want money. Promoting your post question is like, I don't know how valuable that is. I've never promoted things like that. Maybe I have a couple of times, actually. And that gets rid of the bots because bots are bleeding the ad platform.

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And it'll take five days. Bots can make that erase in an hour or two because it's just populating. And then they'll start advertising that that won't happen if you do this X, Y, and Z. Oh. It still happens. So it's like a scam. But it's not like the platform's necessarily doing it. Yeah.

They're just sort of like letting it happen. I wish we had two accounts that had the exact same amount of followers and we posted the exact same post and put one of them and then said boost this post and spent money. Yeah. Spent like the maximum amount of money that you can and the other one not and see what the difference is. Because I wonder like what the return would be.

Like how much can you spend? Like let's say if I put up a post that, hey, which is true, July 1st I'm going to be in Las Vegas, Nevada at the MGM Grand. Ooh. Sweet. So exciting. Big show. It's a big show.

But if I put that up on Instagram with a photograph and I said that, and then it said boost post, I wish I had two accounts with the exact same. That's me. Yeah. Boost that thing. Siegfried or Roy. I don't know which one I'm at.

I think I'm Siegfried there. Boost that one. The white tiger. Is that the guy who got jacked? Who got jacked? I don't know. They're both dead now, right? It would work that way, but I've seen it happen in the opposite way.

Because that's such an engagement. So if you hired a company to do that for you, at the end of their work with you, they'd show you, like, here's what we did. Here's our evidence of you gave us $10,000. We returned you 100,000 views. Right. The last day, if they didn't get those 100 thousand views they only had fifty thousand they might spend some money to show that they got a hundred thousand views just to show you the client that they did all their work i wonder what's the like what's the most amount you could spend on a post

how much money do you have to spend is that true like say if i wanted to do an ad for endure with cameron haynes available now if you're watching this or listening to this it's available now Is that true? Say if I wanted to do an ad for Endure with Cameron Haynes, available now. If you're watching this or listening to this, it's available now. If I wanted to do an ad for that, what is the most amount I could spend on that ad? On the platform? So I would guess this is how it works without having done it.

Let's test it out. Let's test it out. $10,000, $20,000 on the platform. But if you want to spend a million, they'll just have a phone call with you and be like, what do you want to do? Really? Yeah.

And then you could spend a million bucks. So if you want to promote a movie you know that's how you end up in the videos and i'm like well you'll call youtube like we want to spend two million dollars on youtube advertising like are we a better idea why don't we put you in some of the videos with some of our creators and we'll they do that yes yeah i'm so naive so for someone with a large following i'm very naive but this is someone with a large following, I'm very naive. But this is all like marketing manipulation stuff. Yeah. But that's the part of the problem.

The bot stuff adds into it. But also like I feel like manipulation is like the antithesis of what I do. Like if I do that, like if I had fake followers. Like I know people that have hired a company that gets them fake followers. Right. Because like if you're a fighter, just for example. For value, yeah. And you say, you know, this fighter has 1.2 million Instagram followers.

That's very valuable. Yeah, yeah. You know, like if you're going to get hired by Bellator or something like that and they find out you have a million followers, that's a lot. Yeah. And they might give you, actually give you more money for that. So you can hire a company And at one point time people were doing it for Twitter, and it wasn't that much money It was pretty impressive and a jack up their number. Oh my god. Jack it up through the fucking roof like quick

I know people that got like two hundred fifty thousand fault We know people that did that that were in the hunting world yeah, and then people like hey How does that person have right a quarter million followers and they got them all within like three months and then you look at the engagement and it's like you know 200 likes a thousand likes like that's you can tell what's organic and what's not exactly if you look at it yeah but it's um that appearance is what a lot of people are going for just a follower number number. That's the problem with social media. It's that everyone's trying to pretend there's something that they're not. And I think that's one of the reasons

why people, they really connect with your content is because you can't fake running a mountain. Right. You're running it. There's Cam running that mountain. You're 100% running it. You jump up on that log at the top. What is that thing?

It's not a log. It's a monument. Monument. You jump up on that monument at the top of Mount Pisgah. Yeah. You ran it. That's it. You did or you didn't. I've thought about that too, because, you know, fitness, there's probably quite a few fitness people who kind of fake it. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to, if that's all you're doing, it's tough to fake running a marathon for time. Yes. I mean, it's just, you can fake that you ran every day and then you sign up for a race and your time will tell you whether you've been lying this whole

time. Right. It's same with hunting. It's like hunting is the same way. So it's really hard to, to fake, um, what I do basically. Yeah. It's impossible. Everything you do is impossible to fake. It's impossible to fake being able to execute a good shot on an elk in the mountains in real life. You can't fake that. There's no faking. You either can do it or you can't do it. And if you can do it, boy, you had to go through a lot of work to get there. Yeah. And I see people because, you know, obviously I've worked to a position now where I can go on some great hunts. Actually, the best elk hunts in the world. Yeah. And I, I see people cause you know, obviously I've worked to a position now

where I can go on some great hunts, the best, actually the best elk hunts in the world. Yeah. I mean, this is what I've geared my whole life to. And I've seen people say, well, any, anybody could do that with money. And I'm like, okay, sort of, we know a lot of people that have done it with money and they fail. Well, so why have, so if they want to say that, you know, anybody could kill four bulls a year with money, where are they? Where are these people? Go make your money.

Go make your money and go do it. How come nobody's ever done it? It's just like, what are you talking about? If that's all it took, I know a lot of people with money, why has nobody done it? Right. You might be able to do it with a rifle. Yeah, I mean, I still don't know anybody who's done

killed four bulls in a year with a rifle yeah with anything I think you could do it with a rifle if you want on the right hunts I don't think it would be as hard but it still would be complex because you would have to still get up that mountain yeah getting up that mountain is no goddamn joke I remember the first time Rinella took me hunting mule deer and we were in Montana in the in the breaks right over the Missouri River, and I was like, oh, my God, this is hard to do. Because I was in fucking good shape at the time. I remember I was doing jiu-jitsu four times a week.

I was training hard. I was in pretty damn good condition, and I was like, ooh, this is shocking. Well, we went after elk, too, in Utah. It's kind of like thinner air, less oxygen because you're higher. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that tells you right away. It's just different. It's different.

It's different. Like in the gym, it's a little more explosive maybe when fighting and training and kicking the bag. You know, that long pushing up a mountain, that's just kind of a grind that just doesn't stop there's no breaks yeah you could take a break but then you got to keep going yeah and like i remember one specifically and i you know is we were trying to keep the wind right we didn't kill the bull but there's a bull coming over he's bugling and we had to get above him to get the wind right and so we had to push and then we got up to this bench and it's kind of this bedding area it was like i remember it's just amazing looking elk country but we went past it and then we went up and we kind of were side hill

and those bulls were going crazy down here and you almost had a shot at a bull and then we kind of went up but it's like that whole push to keep that wind right as the thermals were going up it was a fight i remember that yeah i remember trying to keep up with you motherfucker cam went up that hill like a goddamn billy goat yeah i was like this is embarrassing it's so your endurance is so preposterous you would get to the top and i would literally be having a heart attack and you you wouldn't even be breathing heavy you just be glassing yeah this is incredible but that's why you do what you do right it's the only reason that's i mean and it pays off i remember one of the first times we ever

hunted together um we were um at this uh this ranch and uh you said i'm gonna go check to see what's over the top of this hill like i hear this bull and you just ran up the hill and the dude that i was with goes what the fuck man yeah and i go yeah that's that's what that's like do that shit for years and you could do that too yeah that's what it is yeah I mean it's uh there's a lot to it there's a lot to hunting that people who don't hunt don't realize and there's a lot that goes into like for me my mindset has always been that I need to take advantage of those opportunities. So I built this, this tool, the skillset that allows me to be at my best there and doing that. And even, even like last year, um, we had a bull and I needed to get around all the way around to see

where that bull might be. Remember, and I ran around that, that whole Canyon to try to get eyes on, on the bull. And sometimes and sometimes yeah is that typical hunting no but if you got to do it you can do it that's the thing like people say you know oh you don't need to do that i've heard criticisms about you from fat people and they're like oh you don't need to do that kill bull like go with him yeah go with him and tell me you don't need to do that you're saying that but you never hunted with them right you know like when someone has hunted with you and they see the value in that, like you're not doing it because you're stupid.

You're getting in that kind of shape because it's valuable. It's very valuable to be able to move through the mountains like that. Because when you see an elk run up the side of a mountain like it's flat ground, it's wild to see. They're incredible. Because they're there every damn day and they're doing that to get away

from mountain lions and wolves. And that's what they do that's right and you can get your body to a much more robust state where you can you can't do it like they do it but you can do it a lot better than regular people can do it and it'll make the difference between success and failure yeah yeah oftentimes it will it's uh you know you said know, people have talked a lot of shit about me and what I do, but it's never anybody who's hunted with me. Right. You know, I mean, it's haters. It's, it's have you, if you've never hunted with me, yeah, whatever. You can have your own opinion, but if we've hunted together, this is all, this is what I do. This is all I've done. This is, this is my focus every day. And it's just like,

you might not like me personally. It's going to be tough to hate on what I do. That's the thing. We've talked about this before. It's like that expression, be undeniable. There's a certain level that you can achieve in life where you can say all you want about Michael Jordan. That motherfucker's undeniable. He's one of the greatest basketball players that's ever walked the face of the planet earth, if not the best, that's just an undeniable person.

And there's very few people that get to that undeniable place. And if you really want to have no excuses in life, you're going to have to be undeniable. Right. And you're going to have haters, you're going to have haters, but those haters can all suck it, you know, because they're just lying to themselves. There's people. And I mentioned people like that in the book because I have a lot of good quotes and I've taken a lot of inspiration from people like Michael Jordan, just the elites. Kobe. I remember Kobe had, I think I just saw a clip the other day of Allen Iverson, another great Hall of Famer.

And he said when they'd got to the club, Kobe would go to the gym. And he's like, it's why there's only one kobe yeah he was just working harder it's floyd mayweather same thing you know floyd mayweather didn't drink he would go to the club drink fucking sparkling water and then run home yeah run home with shoes on with like well he had sneakers on but run home with like pants on like jeans Yeah And a shirt with a gold chain and they'd be running down the Vegas strip Shadowboxing two o'clock in the morning. Yeah, where everybody else was like throwing up in a dumpster, right? so it's like when you say that You have these goals or like those guys are like, you know, you say their name. They don't have to say their first name You know Michael Kobe

their name they don't have to say their first name you know michael kobe um floyd and it's like if that you're not going to be able to do what normal people do right so you got to get rid of that do you want to be elite or do you want to be normal well if you want to be elite it's going to take you're going to have to step out of what normal people would think or what they do and how they think and how they approach things and you can do it and you can take those that's all i say there's a whole point to the books you can take those nuggets and apply them to your own life and it's like it's a who knows what's possible a lot more is possible than the people that sell themselves short believe that's for sure and it's like there are genetics involved and there are limitations physically. And they're all limited.

I mean, if you're 60 years old and you're listening to this and you're 350 pounds, your goal should not be to be the next Michael Jordan. Your goal should be to be healthy. And that is 100% possible. Yeah. You know, there was a guy I was watching a video of him the other day. There was a guy, I was watching a video of him the other day, and one of the reasons why I was watching this video is because it had me and a couple other people talking over the video. Someone had sent it, and it was just talking about doing things.

And the video was this guy being really fat, and at the end of the video he had lost 160 pounds. Yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of those no you sent me that one yeah yeah that was awesome it's amazing i think he had a rogan haynes actually didn't he that's okay i'm thinking of a different guy but that guy did oh yeah that guy did and that guy's another guy that's lost a shitload of weight yeah oh that is one okay but there's a bunch of those there's a lot of those videos out there yeah they're not going to be

jordan but what could their life be and, then not only could what their life be, who could they impact? Yes. You know, that's this whole, we talk about this ripple effect. Well, you're going to do this, then that's going to impact this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then their kids, then who knows what. And collectively, you know, the rising tide lifts all boats.

Yes. That's the whole point. That video that I sent you made me feel good and it got me inspired. Watching this guy with literally my quotes and wearing a t-shirt of you and I and this guy got in shape and I got fired up. God, isn't that- It's like it took a cycle. It is.

It helps everybody. It is. And it's also beautiful. I love watching someone just get their life together. I love it. It's amazing when that happens. Yeah, I agree. And it's possible for everybody.

It's possible for, I was looking at this old lady online the other day, and she was a 65 year old woman who just started powerlifting. I'm like, this is amazing. 65. Doing deadlifts and shit. I'm like, that's incredible. It's possible. Yeah.

And now all of a sudden, she's strong. She's a strong granny. Oh, man. You can do that. It's like, you're not going to do it overnight. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, she's strong. She's a strong granny. Oh, man. You can do that. It's like, you're not going to do it overnight. Yeah. But you can do it. Yeah.

These episodes that we talk about, these things we go through in this training we do, it does carry over to everyday life and how confident you are in other dealings, maybe in business or maybe interaction, wherever. maybe in business or maybe interaction, wherever. It's like that confidence that you built up from your training or from being dedicated to something or to making a positive change. That carries over. And it's just like, yeah, it's not an immediate result. Maybe you're not going to be night and day overnight. I lost 100 pounds. Obviously, that's not going to happen overnight.

But this effect can impact all these other relationships. It can impact people around you. It can impact the people that you contact and you touch through social media and through an online presence. It can impact people that'll listen to a podcast like this. That's a beautiful thing when you literally can give people a little lift, little help, little pick me up. And I love those pick me ups. I get them from Goggins. I get them from you. I get them from all kinds of people online. I get them from Goggins I get them from you I get them from all kinds of people online I get them from random people I get them for that old lady power lifting I get them from people I think that's one of the beautiful things about social media is that

you know there's a lot of toxicity but it's really just like what you gravitate towards yeah you got to develop a discipline when it comes to that stuff too it's one of the reasons why I don't read comments I'm like that is there's just the one of the reasons why I don't read comments. I'm like, that is, there's just, the chance and the possibility of negativity is just not worth it. The juice is not worth

the squeeze. Unless you're Goggins. And plus, yeah, unless you're Goggins. I don't want any, I don't need any compliments. Yeah.

I'm not interested in compliments. Right, yeah. Thanks, appreciate you, love you all, but I get it. Right.

I'm gonna keep moving. I know what I'm doing. You don't need to tell me that everything's great. Yeah. I'm good. I'm going to keep moving. I know what I'm doing. You don't need to tell me that everything's great. I'm good. I'm not interested. I'm interested in other people's success. I'm interested in mindsets. I'm interested in philosophy. I'm interested in what a person had to go through to become who they are, like the Francis Ngannou story or with a guy who lost 160 pounds. That shit gets me going. I love it. And that's the beautiful thing about social media.

I think there's more fuel and more inspiration for success and for happiness and camaraderie and community than there's ever been before. It's just what you concentrate on. And a lot of people, they complain about algorithms, rightly so, that if you only gravitate towards negative things and the algorithm only shows you negative things and you just always like to be upset and the algorithm always shows you things you're upset. Yeah.

But my algorithm is filled with a lot of cool shit. Yeah, mine too. I'm not interested in negative. I'm not interested in it. Mine too. Mine too. My algorithm is filled with you shooting that bow today. That was awesome.

Yeah. Cam got me the new Keep Hammering Bow. See that logo that says Keep Hammering on there? It's on my bow limbs. Yeah, it's a great bow. I figured it was a good bookend since the first time I came down here, I brought you a bow. Yes. We went on a bow hunt after that. And now this time, now you got a new keep hammering bow also.

Yeah. Oh, look at that. That is like right at the moment of release. Look at that follow through. Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. Somebody taught me. So that's a 90-pound keep hammering.

What is that bow? Is it a Hoyt Ventum? No, Ventum Pro 33. Yeah. Yeah, awesome bow. And then I'm shooting your other bow, which is an 80-pound model just like yours. And it's also a keep hammer in one. Yeah, and it's just, look at how perfect that fits.

I mean, your bow's a little longer for me, but it still fits perfect in that shot right there. That follow-through is pretty sweet. Oh, it's ideal. Come on, son. I mean, because how you can tell it's a good fall through is your bow arm is still up. A lot of people drop that bow arm on release. Right. And you can tell that you just pulled through.

You can see your release, holding that release, and it's going back straight. Ideal. And that's archery country here in Austin, Texas. What a great place. Nicest guys. They're closed today, and they were all down there, hands on deck setting up these bows and couldn't have done a better job no it's pretty awesome and it's just you know it's archery is if there's a thing that I've learned about difficult stuff all

of that could be learned through archery and one of the things about archery that's amazing is that at the moment where you're aiming and releasing and executing your shot, you don't think about anything else. It's cleansing. It cleanses the mind. There's not very many things in today's day and age, because we're distracted all the time. I mean, phone sitting here and different things. We look up things, we talk, but where you can be, have tunnel, it requires tunnel vision focus. That's one reason why I think the cold tubs are good, too, because you can't think about anything else but that fucking cold tub and how miserable it is.

But it takes your brain and it does something to it. Archery does that. For me, running does that. I do think about things, but I'm pretty much solely focused on performing. But, yeah, there's very few things that require that. And we need that, I think, as humans. We're so distracted. Our brains are so complicated species where we have doubts and fears and all this thing.

And you can overwhelm yourself. You can. So if you can have things that require you to shut all that off i'm focusing on this right now it's so healthy didn't fred bear have a quote about that about uh archery troubled mind yeah troubled mind yeah yeah it's real man nothing cures a troubled mind like shooting a bow i love it i love going out and just launching arrows yeah it makes me so happy well you're so good at it too it's just like like, I can't remember who I was talking about is, you know, hunting skill or hunting experience comes over time. There's no way to shortcut that. That just takes time in the field, but shooting with how dedicated you are

with training and everything in your life, it's went hand in hand with archery because you've just been so all, it just all in on it. And it with your performance it's like you can shoot i mean it's you shoot probably more than i do and it's like so you're controlling what you can control you can't control experience you're going to gain that but you can control control what you can and that's uh the technical function of shooting a bow and man you're dialed in well it helps that we got a range right here it does it does and And did you see how sick this hoodie looks in that picture? Oh, that origin hoodie? With the sleeves cut off?

It's a dope pattern, though. I got to say that. They fucking nailed that camo pattern. What about the sleeves? The sleeves are a little rough. It's a little much. But that's you. My wife always makes fun of the fact that you cut your sleeves off.

Yeah. Hey, this is on brand. That's on brand for you. But no. Or the origin camo. Oh, my God. It's pretty dope. This looks on brand. That's on brand for you. No. Or the origin camo. Oh my God. This looks so good. And that's the number one question that I see is, okay, take my money.

When can I buy this? Not yet. I know. Not yet. I know. But how exciting is it? It's exciting because it's beautiful to have something that's 100% American made. The fabric, the construction.

Everything. All of it. Everything. Just like all of origin stuff. And there's Jocko with it. Oh my God. construction, all of it, everything. Just like all of origin stuff, and there's Jocko with it. That actually gave me butterflies seeing his face right there. He's so intense.

And Echo's so nice, but so jacked. Yeah, he's pretty jacked. Look at, he's got striations on his tattoo. He's got tattoos of muscles. Isn't that like muscle striations on his tattoos? No, that's not a tattoo. That's just him. That's just being jacked. Yeah't that like muscles triations on his tattoos? No, that's not a tattoo. That's just him. That's just being jacked.

Yeah, that's how jacked he is. Imagine if you were that jacked. Yeah. You'd be like a character in a movie. So these guys look very intimidating, the nicest people. And Jocko, it's like he was reading my book. It's kind of scary. I was like, wow, this is pretty intense, him reading his voice.

But, yeah, we're involved in this origin thing and it's like i brought this up to to jocko what it reminded me of is there's this i sent it to you this old series called the men who built america i don't know if that you probably haven't had a chance to watch it but it's about you know uh john rockefeller all these people who came over, built America like the railroad system, which we pretty much still use oil, kerosene, lights. You know, we are a dark society and they kerosene brought light. And so how how basically we've evolved as a country in an industry and in some weird way this origin story reminds me of that because you know as they tell so well origin and pete and jaco and kip's involved too but bringing these factories back to making american clothing and camo and bringing this work back to

america and if it feels it reminds me of that industry being here in this country Yeah, it's so it's such an honor to be involved in it It is an honor in the company origin that Jaco's put together is beautiful because all those people are really proud to do That to make American-made goods and I have four pairs of their boots that I bought. They're fucking awesome. They're so good They're so comfortable and there's there's such high quality. It's like you feel it. It's like you could feel the handmade aspect of it when you're holding onto it. It's like, it just, God, it gives you pleasure. And people used to think that, oh, it doesn't matter, American made. Like, what are you, a nationalist? Why do you think about that? Well, during the pandemic, a lot of people realized like, hey, it's not good to rely on something that's made

on another fucking country that's across the ocean when you might have not even be able to get a ship over there to bring it over here and we're finding that about with with chips for cars because there's a shortage the supply chain shortage is a lot going on yeah and i mean and also it's like is china on our side or do we want to send more money to China? You know what I mean? Because all these high-end, especially in the hunting industry, these high-end hunting brands, they're all made. China, Korea, Taiwan. I mean, it's just like, it's fine.

That's, you know, I guess they do a good job. It's high-quality stuff. But here's my thought. Do you want money to go to people that get paid a living wage and get fair healthcare and benefits. I do. I do. I do. I want, I want people to get paid well. And that's what origin does. And that's what, you know, that's what I think of when I think of something being American made, I'm like, okay, well at least I know these workers are protected in some way more than they were. If you're like, if you get an iPhone, look, we all both have iPhones. You get an iPhone from China, you're getting it from someone that's working in a factory

where you're surrounded by nets to keep you from jumping off the fucking roof. I wish there was an American-made cell phone because I would pay twice for it. And I know some people can't, and I understand that. I'm not an elitist. I'm not delusional. I know that some people are struggling to just buy an iPhone for what it costs now or any kind of phone. But if there was a fucking phone that was made in America and I knew that the people who worked there had dental and health care

and they're paid well and they have benefits, I would fucking buy it in a heartbeat. I support that. 100%. Yeah. So we all had that same collective mindset about let's do this in America. I mean, Jocko, he sets a tone and then pete is so passionate about it um but we all believe that you know we all have pride in our country we we

and a living wage to american workers it's like that's that's what we want it's extremely valuable it's very important and you know you you get look look, when jobs went overseas, I mean, everybody knows the story of that movie Roger and Me. But that's all about jobs leaving Flint, Michigan and going overseas and going to different countries and destroying the economies of these cities. And many of these cities have never returned. I'm in Detroit this weekend. And I'm doing, I'm doing, and every time I go to Detroit Detroit is making a comeback now there's a lot of companies like Shinola and a lot of these companies that are proudly making things in Detroit and there's a lot of like small businesses and but if you're there you are starkly aware like

it's it's a the contrast between what it used to be it used to be one of the richest cities in the world to what it is now where you see? Abandoned buildings. Yeah skyscrapers with every window missing. It's her wild It's wild and it's all from industry pulling out so they can make more money somewhere else and just destroying Cities destroy fiber of the city yeah which was a city that was historic I mean you know Detroit it's Detroit muscle yeah made yeah American worker yeah Chrysler you know I mean greatest cars ever right when you think of Detroit you think of wow those are guys it's a hard-working city yes and now I mean look I said it is making come back yeah you know there's

a lot of people that have a lot of pride in Detroit. Think about all the fucking great musicians that have come out of Detroit. Detroit Rock City, Kiss. Kid Rock. Kid Rock, yeah. Ted Nugent. There's a lot that came out of Detroit, but it's just that's what can happen when you don't support American businesses. It's not just a matter of whether or not you're paying more or less for something.

It's like whether or not you're contributing to the destruction of a city and the economy and the destruction of the people's lives that are involved in that industry. Yeah. And I don't know if we knew that back in the 1980s when they did that. I don't think so. I don't quite think they did. No. It wasn't.

Nobody's looking at the big picture. Yeah. They were trying to make money, more money by shipping, you know, the job somewhere else. Right. Yeah. And then that's what business does, you know? But I feel like, you know, as a capitalist society, if you can make money and, but also

have a, like our goal isn't, I don't know about making money. All I know is about, we have this goal of making American-made product. And it's just like that feels better. That feels right. It feels a lot better. Yeah. And, you know, knowing the guys over at Origin and knowing Jocko, it's like, yeah, it's great. It's like I just think they're not going to be able to make enough.

That's my worry. There's going to be so much demand for it. Guaranteed. We're going to have a hard time keeping up with demand, but that's a good problem to have. It's a good problem to have. We don't want people frustrated either. No. Yeah.

So we want to provide. It's also really quality stuff. Like what we're trying to put together is quality stuff. Dude, this hoodie is- It would have been great if it had sleeves. It did. Why did he do that? This morning.

Why are you into hacking off sleeves? I don't understand that. Sleeves are kryptonite. They get in the way? Yeah. But you have sleeves in that t-shirt. Yeah, but they're lighter. Oh, I see.

But sometimes you hack those off, too. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, I don't. Who the fuck does that? I don't know. You're the only guy I know that chops sleeves off of his shirts. Have you always done that? Didn't Rocky do that?

Bert's doing it. That's his new thing for the summer. Bert? Bert's just doing that? Yeah. Okay. Oh, he stole it from you. So Rocky and Bert.

You should start taking your shirt off. Remember Rocky had like a half shirt in Apollo when they're running on the beach? That was the last time a half shirt was manly. So anyway, they influenced me when I was a kid. Crop top? Crop top, yeah. You think crop tops are coming back? There's a popular NFL running back that wears one.

Wow, that's a good way to get attention. Isn't there a guy who also plays baseball and wears pearls? I don't know. Yeah. There's Apollo. Yeah, look at him. Apollo in a crop top. See, wear those sleeves.

The shorts are a little short No those shorts Those shorts are perfect I loved him That's my outfit Happy Gilmore Rocky didn't even have it on It was Apollo wearing it Oh that's right

Why did I think it was Rocky In my mind it was Rocky But Rocky had a yellow one on At some time Oh there he goes He's got a crop top there Holy shit Look at that

Look at those abs, though. Oh, he was jacked. So if you looked like that, wouldn't you wear that? No. No. If you danced for Chippendales? Look at Prince. Look at the one with Prince. Where is that? Right there. Damn, Prince looking pretty fly. He looks jacked, too.

Shredded. Yeah, Prince was in shape, man. He was like 5'1", though, wasn't he? Well well that's all he can do he can't grow anymore oh okay 4'5 1 he was in great shape well I'm not too much over 5'1 actually if we're being honest yeah the crop top is not coming back I'm gonna say that you don't I'm gonna make a statement you can't prove that I brought back the fanny pack you did fanny packs back yeah I'm gonna tell you people a lot of people out there want to take credit for the fanny pack. I was on the fucking front lines since the 90s.

I never gave up on the fanny pack. See? Zeke. Oh. Suit crop top. Crop top suit. Nice. It doesn't look as good there as like over there.

Like on the field? Yeah, on the field. Oh, wow. Well, he's pretty jacked. He wants to just show off those abs. Yeah. But it's also a good way to He wants to just show off those abs. Yeah. But it's also a good way to get people to pay attention to you, right? Ohio State, when he was running back there, he ran all over the Ducks in the national championship game.

I went to that game. Who's the dude that wears the pearls? There's a baseball player that wears pearls. There's no way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's like a- I haven't heard that. Yeah, he's like a major league player.

Chuck Peterson. Yeah, he wears yeah. Yeah, he's like a- I haven't heard that. Yeah, he's like a major league player. Jock Peterson. Yeah, he wears pearls. Oh. Why? Because it's a good way to get people to pay attention to him. Look, we're talking about- It is pearls. That's like my grandma's pearl necklace.

Look at him. He's wearing pearls. Huh. Maybe, yeah. It's got to be a superstition thing. Baseball players are known for superstitions. Right. That's true.

At first, I thought it was maybe puka shells, which puka shells are sick. Is it a pearl? Is it a thing that's a superstition or is it just a? I want to do something different. I want to do something really different. Yeah, he's just trying to get some attention. For the women? It's smart.

We're paying attention. No. We're talking about it. For attention. It's a good move. If you want to get extra. Look at this. He's just a bad bitch. Wow.'s a good move. He's just a bad bitch Yeah, I saw the pearls and like you know what that looks cool that there's no story

He's just a bad bitch and it's a mystery for everyone. They'll never know well They know now you talk about it. They know you just shut the fuck up They wouldn't know but now you tell everybody you're trying to give him a mystery. Well, they know now. You talk about it, they know. If you just shut the fuck up, they wouldn't know. But now you tell everybody that you're trying to give them a mystery. Well, there's no more mystery. Jamie just figured out David Blaine's magic trick right there. Well, what should you say if they ask them? Because they're going to ask. Like, hey, bro,

what's up with that necklace? Just not saying anything. What necklace? I like it. Just say I like it. Fuck off. They're definitely going to ask. Big Dick Energy. Yeah, Big Dick Energy. Just wearing them pearls. It is funny, though, that pearls are a jewelry that's specifically to women, other than that dude. Because in general, a lot of guys wear diamonds. Especially rappers.

God, they love diamonds. They have crazy diamonds. Definitely. Not pearls? No. No. Yeah, it's pretty sexist, actually. A little bit.

Yeah, I feel kind of offended. It's a jewel for whatever reason. I can't think of it because it looks like loads. I think that's what it is. Pearl necklace, like the term pearl necklace. That's true. There are a few. Who's that?

Except Rocky's wearing one. Oh, look at that. I don't know. It's spreading around. But when did they start doing this? I'm not sure it's a big one. Damn, yeah those are big pearls that looks actually pretty good yeah I don't know about good this is good some jewelry guys just talk some in the buy it but I mean how many guys are wearing like gold chains and diamond chain yeah fuck man you know

flossy Carter you know the guy on YouTube I follow man you know flossy carter you know the guy uh on youtube uh i follow flossy carter flossy carter is uh he's a electronics guy he's into like cell phones he does like these amazing cell phone reviews but he wears like the craziest jewelry like diamonds all over his fingers but he knows his shit like he's when he's talking he's reviewing it's very entertaining he's very entertaining but he's also very knowledgeable. Go to Flossie's Instagram. There's a photo of him. He's eating dinner, and he's got, I don't know,

it looks like a Mr. T starter kit. He's got like fucking 20. Has that ever happened in bow hunting? No. Look at that. Should I wear pearls? Look at Flossie. Look at all his rings.

God damn. No, that. Look, he's got everything wear pearls? Look at Flossie. Look at all his rings. God damn. No, that. Look, he's got everything. He's got them on his fingers. He's got them on his wrists. He's got them on his neck. You know, people like to talk about how much value in that that they're wearing. That's a lot of value.

Yeah. If those are real diamonds, I mean, that's got to be a half a million dollars. Because I've heard guys, I don't know, it could have been. Look at that Medusa. I'm trying to think who it was. Was it Colby talking about he was wearing a house around his neck? Yeah. Was it Colby?

I know Jake Paul was doing that when he was trying to make that bet with Eddie Hearn. He was like, I'll bet you everything I'm wearing. Right, yeah. Maybe that's what it was. It was probably Jake Paul. Yeah. That makes sense. Jake Paul would do it.

That makes sense. But Colby had some, he had a nice kind of a chaos necklace He was pretty badass when he got in the fight with not the fight when he got jumped by Jorge Masvidal Didn't he break his Rolex watch was covered in diamonds. That was like I think scratched it I was gonna look that up. That's the claim is that he it's being damaged and that's part of the defense Yeah, yeah, they get to look at it Yeah, and find out if it happened or if it isn't. What if they find out if it's not even real diamonds?

The claim is that it's not a Rolex. It's called a Frankenstein, whatever that means. What? That's what the article said. What does it mean? What is a Frankenstein? Must be a knockoff. Probably made of pieces like it.

Maybe it was a broken one. I honestly have no idea. I'm trying to guess what it meant. I thought maybe you knew. A Frankenstein. I've never heard that. Let's look at that Chaos Necklace. Because I was thinking a broken one. I honestly have no idea. I'm trying to guess what it meant. I thought maybe you knew. A Frankenstein. But let's look at that chaos necklace because I was thinking about getting one. You're going to get one to support him?

No, endure. I'll get an endure one. Yeah, there it is, chaos. Oh, it's got a crown too. See, that looks kind of sick, doesn't it? No. Would you wear that? Nope.

No. I don't even wear rings. I mean, I have a rubber ring on. I have a rubber wedding ring. Look at that. Oh, actually, this is Michael Chandler's company. Oh, okay. So shout out to Michael Chandler's company.

It's Groove, Groove Life. Yeah. Groove Ring. Yeah. They make good rings and they make a great belt too. I got a Groove belt at home too. But this ring, this is like silicone. Yeah.

This is the best for like, because I lifted today. You can lift. You don't even have to take it off. You don't even notice it's on. And it's like super, super durable. Nice. Wow. Good.

Shout out to Chandler. Shout out to Michael Chandler. The defense believes that Covington's timepiece is a Frankenstein watch and doesn't hold as much value as an authentic Rolex. This would have a direct impact on a second charge of criminal mischief against GameBread. What does that mean? I don't know. Because it wasn't worth as much and it got damaged?

Yeah, but it says a Frankenstein watch that doesn't hold as much value as an authentic Rolex. Yeah. It's either a fake Rolex. Yeah. So it says up there $95,000 Rolex. Right. So how much does a Frankenstein Rolex cost?

What does that mean? What is a Frankenstein watch? Is it okay to own one? Many enthusiasts thumb their noses at unoriginal watches but they do have their upsides. I don't understand what's going on here. Let's see. My guess is that

you buy a used one and you fix a couple pieces on it. Well it says it right there. It says a watch that isn't in original condition or possibly has fake components, but that's turned into something of a misnomer. To me, a Frankenstein watch, a Frankenwatch, is cobbled together with often real but not necessarily correct parts, says Nick Pardo,

previously a vintage watch expert at Analog Shift, which specializes in accessibly priced time pieces. So you have a dial from one model, hands from another, and it's built up from random parts. Huh. Okay. So instead of like if you've got an expensive watch that's like correct, has the correct bezel and the correct band,

like it's got a different band and a different bezel or something like that Speaking of elitist come on. It's all Rolex right? Yeah, I guess unless it's not yeah I mean, what is that? I don't know you're not gonna put a Casio Hands on the area. Maybe well, there's a whole market for custom Seiko's They they mod Seiko's I have a modded Seiko. I have a Seiko that I got from this dude in Toronto, or in Vancouver?

Where the fuck is he? But he modded it for me. And they take, because there's a whole community that takes Seikos, and they'll put a different bezel on it, and they do a different dial. The dial on mine is, the face of the dial is made out of meteorite oh they take a slice of meteorite and use that to make the dial it's pretty dope that reminds me did you get that knife made of mammoth tusk yes i did yeah pretty badass

yeah it's pretty badass yeah the handle's made out of mammoth who made that uh outfit up in alaska it's like 80K knives, I think. Should probably give them a shout out. Yeah, super cool knife, though. But they sent us both one. Yeah, and this box that you sent me, this comes with a whole kit here. I got this sitting here, this book, this Cameron Haynes indoor book. When you get it, can anybody get this other package?

No. So this is just me? Just, yeah, pretty much. Oh, look, ladies and gentlemen. Don't be jealous. Yeah. But I got a whole box in here. And there's a book, and there's an Endure.

Look at this. I got an Endure bookmark. Ooh, but I won't need this because I'm going to read it all in one sitting. I'm just going to take some Adderall and fucking bang through this book and then what is this this is an arrowhead what is this fucking thing the patch what is this yeah yeah it's like so if you have like some velcro yeah those only went out to select you and kim kardashian got that oh kim probably gave it to pete davidson try to make it more manly pete it's time to step up your game. I hope it works.

And then this, Montana Knife Company. Yeah, that's a cool knife. Did they make an Endure knife? Is it a specific knife? Yeah, check it out. Oh, let me get in here. Josh at Montana Knife Company. Oh, look at that.

Yeah. Does it say Endure anything? Oh, it does. It says Endure on the blade. Yeah, how sweet's that? So that's a company. It's like you got to, I mean, how could you not want to support somebody like Josh and a company like that? Yeah.

You know what I mean? Well, first of all, super quality stuff. Oh, amazing knives. And we used their knives last year to break down that bull in Utah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible, I mean, workmanship and just the quality of the knife.

And then on top of all that, the people. Yeah. and just the quality of the knife. And then on top of all that, the people. And so, yeah, he signed on for that. Those are like the VIP packages for the books. And he made those Endure knives. Fancy. Yeah. I love fancy things. You got to make a splash.

I know. I love exclusive things. You know, people like me don't make New York Times bestseller lists. Maybe you do. Maybe you make it with this. We better pull it all on stops. Hasn't someone on this podcast complained that their book didn't get on make New York Times bestseller list. Maybe you do. Maybe you make it with this. We better pull it out on stops. Hasn't someone on this podcast complained that their book didn't get on the New York Times bestseller list even though they sold enough copies to be on the New York Times bestseller

list? Yeah. Who was that? It might have been Brett Weinstein. No. You know who I think it might have been? Or Jordan Peterson. Yes.

Was it? 12 Rules for Life I think sold like these amazing amount of copies and didn't make it somehow. So they say it's more subjective. Ooh, that's weird. But like, let's see, some small town redneck bow hunter doesn't really fit in with that crowd, does it? Well, we're going to find out. We're going to find out. Jordan Peterson's book is a bestseller, except where it matters most.

Right. Controversial author Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life fails to crack the New York Times prestigious bestseller list. We set out to find out why. Right. I wonder what Debra Dundas found out. Yeah, how does that make sense? I don't know. Yeah, so is it a bestseller, or where does the subjective part come in?

I think they just decide that someone's problematic Yeah, they don't like what they stand for maybe you know it's like Everybody's just so quick to be Not just judge, but to fucking just cast someone out of the kingdom forever I don't want to have anything to do with that person that person's a that's bad person. They have bad ideas. I don't like their ideas and they don't even listen to him. He's like the most misrepresented person I think I've ever encountered. I have a hard time not listening to him going, God dang, this guy's smart. You know what I mean? Just like-

Whenever you say, God dang, this guy's smart, it makes people hard to listen to you. Okay. How should I say it? Gosh, golly. Gee whiz, he's smart. It's hard to listen to you. Okay. How should I say it? Gosh, golly. Gee whiz. He's smart. No. But how do you listen to him and like try to discredit him at all?

Well, I mean, he says goofy things sometimes like we all do. You know, when you're forming sentences and you're speaking in real time like we're doing right now. Yeah, there you go. I do that. I look. I say if you wanted to like cherry-pick stupid shit I've said you're gonna have a fucking great time field cuz I've said a lot of dumb shit But it's just because I'm thinking and talking in real time right over hours and hours and hours of shows

Remember when this used to be alive. Oh my god. Yeah, that's some problem with that is that people are profiting off of it They were stealing the content and making these of these YouTube pages with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. It was wild to watch. It was like, there's businesses were popping up where they were stealing content and getting ad revenue. I was like, this is strange. Yeah. Well, I think this is a good opportunity for the New York Times bestseller list to turn over a new leaf. Well, I don't think your book is something that they're going to have a problem with. Your book is basically something that regardless of your political ideology, this is all about mindset and hard work and a person who's endured a lot in life. And I think everyone can benefit from it. I mean, I know a lot of people that are very progressive and left wing and they love the

content that you put out. They love what you say because look at that. Number one, new release. Oh shit. It's already the number one new release already. But in business and self improvement. That's incredible. I mean, that's not, that's not really my, my jam. That's amazing that it's number one already, and it hasn't even come out yet. This is all just pre-sale. Yeah. And also this podcast hasn't come out yet,

and it's still number one. That's fucking incredible. Yeah. Cameron Haynes, you're going to make that goddamn New York Times bestseller list. We're going to celebrate. I owe a lot of that credit to you. I owe a lot to you, my friend.

You have inspired me. You've been a great friend. And you taught me how to bow hunt. That's changed so much of my life, you know? And it's enriched my life and a lot of other people's too. Oh, well, I mean, it's been an honor to be your friend. It's been an honor to be yours as well. Thank you. Let's end on that little wishy-washy shit. Young Jamie,'s been an honor to be your friend. It's been an honor to be yours as well. Thank you.

Let's end on that little wishy-washy shit. Young Jamie, it's an honor to know you too. Yeah, love you, Jamie. Thank you, I love you both. Oh, we love you too. Oh, God. This has never ended so sweet. Let's end it now before we fuck it up.

All right, Endure, it's available. As you listen to this or see this, it's available right now. Please go out and get it. It's fucking awesome. and I wrote the foreword alright goodbye everybody thanks