The Joe Rogan Experience - #1827 - Kristin Beck

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Kristin Beck is a retired Navy SEAL and recipient of over 50 ribbons and medals, among them the Bronze Star with Valor, the Purple Heart, and the Meritorious Service Medal. She is now a lecturer, author, consultant, and civil rights activist.

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's happening? How are you? We're doing this. Nice to meet you. After how many years trying to get this done? Yeah, we talked, I think we first talked like four years ago or something, right?

About four years ago. Yeah. So, um... I'm so glad we waited this done. Yeah, we talked, I think we first talked like four years ago or something, right? About four years ago. Yeah. I'm so glad we waited, though. Yeah? Because I'll tell you what, four years ago I was a mess. Ten years ago I was a mess. In what way?

I just, I didn't know what I was doing. There's no, like, workbook or a cookbook or there's nothing out there for anybody to, especially me, you know, i was born in the 60s right and so trying to figure out my life with no guidance and nobody out there it's been real struggle i did a uh i did a real in-depth reading one time with this person who was like a deep high up shaman from uh malaysia or over there somewhere maybe philippines but he did a reading he said you're gonna have a real tough life.

How old were you when this happened? This was kind of in the middle of a lot of it. I was just all over the place. And one of my friends said, hey, I have this person who I want to give you a gift. And he bought me the session with this guy. I guess it was super expensive because I probably couldn't afford it. It was a long reading, too. It was about two hours.

The guy really got in depth, asked me a ton of questions, and really got into it. He had all my star charts right down to my geolocation of birth, my exact minute. I had all the info for him. And so he worked all that stuff before I did the meeting with him. And so he was going through tons of stuff. How does that work? How does it, like the time of birth in the geocodes, I did the meeting with him and so he was going through like tons of stuff Well, how does it like the time of birth in the geocodes like how what is what are they trying to get out of that? Maybe that's probably where we should start. Yeah stuff that I believe in like where my core beliefs lie

You know, yes, I believe there's something there's a creator. There's a God whatever you want to name it There's something way bigger than us You know and I believe that. And I also believe that we are energy beings. Like we're energy, our soul, like what we're made of. It's a piece of energy. It's a piece of that. That's how I believe. And so if you have that kind of belief system,

you can also believe that everything else is energy. All the animals, all the trees, all the rocks, everything has an energy. Now, if you can line all the energy up and you get it right down to where you are, imagine all the energy and how it lines up right when you're born, like right when it's happening. Yeah. So if all those planets, all the earth and everything else is this and this and this, all that energy is set at one location for you right at that time.

Boom. Okay, now I'm here. It's still going to imprint on you all that energy and all that focus and all that stuff is there and that's your spot so is the idea i believe is the idea that the different planets in the different position in the sky they all have an effect on gravity we know that has an effect on 100 yeah we and we know it has an effect on the tides right that's that's a big part isn't that a big part of the tides is the gravity that comes from the moon? I mean, think about how much fucking water we're talking about.

That's a lot. Right? Here's a weird question. Is that real, though? That's weird, though. I need to know that, if that's real. Is that what causes the tides? I don't think so.

A little bit? We'll find out. We're going to find out. Well, gravity is a theory. This is important to find out. The theory of gravity, I mean, I think that's a BS theory anyway. Gravity is a BS theory? I think it all has to do with buoyancy.

It's Archimedes, you know? I don't know what you mean. Okay, so Archimedes' principle is basically the buoyancy. If you take your entire body and you put yourself in water, the amount of water you displace is basically that. And the weight of that water you displace, that's your buoyancy. So if you displace more water and it weighs more than you, that means you're lighter than the weight of that water you displace, that's your buoyancy. So if you displace more water and it weighs more than you,

that means you're lighter than the amount of water you displaced. That means you float. Right. Now, if the water you displaced is less than your weight, then you're going to sink. It's just buoyancy.

Right. And so if you drop an apple from 30,000 feet, that's how high we used to jump for SEAL teams. The fun jumps. We can talk about that later. Damn, 30,000 feet? Yeah, it's fun stuff. That's crazy. But if to jump for SEAL teams. The fun jumps. We can talk about that later. 30,000 feet? Yeah, it's fun stuff. That's crazy.

But if you drop an apple, yeah. That's like real airplane height, like Delta flight. It's mission. Yeah, Delta. Yeah, like for real. Well, SEAL teams do it too. I know, but I mean American Airlines, Delta, that kind of Delta. Yeah.

Those guys are cool though, man. I love the guys at Bragg. So listen to what it says here. I think this is what we're looking for. Okay. So it says, I don't know how you say that word, a perigian. How do you say that? Perigian.

Perigian spring tide occurs when the moon is either new or full and closest to Earth. And so what does it have to do? Where does it say anything about gravity? Well, I can give you another one, I guess. Does it have anything where it explains the amount of effect that gravity has? The moon's pull. Okay. So the moon's gravitational pull, high tide, low tide.

So during high tide, the moon's gravitational pull does affect the tides? That's what the religion called scientists. This is not an article, though. This is just an image. Well, that's what I was trying to find. Is there anything that shows it? I thought that would be a quicker way to do it. It seems like there's something to it.

We're so dumb, we need cartoons now. I just thought it would be easier to go that way. Joe, all this stuff up there, this is all put out by scientists who have been talking about Copernicus and everything else for the last however many years, since what, 13 something? Let's just read what the answer is. It says high and low tides are caused by the moon. The moon's gravitational pull generates something called the tidal force. The tidal force causes Earth and its water to bulge out on the side closest to the moon and the side furthest from the moon. These bulges of water are high tides.

So it is because of gravity, which is amazing. So what I'm getting at is everybody likes to poo-poo the idea that someone can figure out what happens if someone's born during a given time of the year. But if the moon has so much of an effect that it changes tides, it moves... How many fucking gallons of water are we talking about, right? Five or six. It's a lot of goddamn water, and the gravity of the moon is moving that shit. Yeah.

Like, why wouldn't we assume that Jupiter, and what position Jupiter is in the sky, or Mars is in the sky, that all must have some kind of effect on something. 100%. And if we're water, like must have some kind of an effect on something. 100%. And if we're water, we're kind of mostly water, aren't we? Like 60-something percent water? What is the number percent water people are?

We're like 78% or something. It probably affects you. It's a lot, yeah. It probably affects your fucking swimming pool. If you have a swimming pool, it probably moves a little. Well, here's something funny, though. You brought up swimming pool. You know the Great Lakes, how big the Great Lakes are? Yeah. How come none of the Great Lakes

have tides? That's a good question. So the moon and the sun can't move the water in the Great Lakes but it can move the oceans? But they do have crazy waves. In adult men about 60 percent of their bodies are water. However fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue. In adult women fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about 55% of their bodies made of water. That's so true because big muscular guys that cut weight for the UFC, they can cut a lot more weight because they're storing it in their muscles. Like big Yoel Romero-looking dudes, those guys can cut a ton of weight

because they have so much muscle. It's the guys who are leaner that have a really hard time with it. Yeah, that makes sense. Anyway, so this thing is a chart that they do of you, and it's based on what time you were born and where in the world you were born. Exactly, yeah, right at geocache. And so do they match this up with some sort of astronomical map of the stars? I wish I had mine.

So he draws it all out. He does the entire astral plane, all of it, every planet, all of the, like, even comets. Like, you have everything in there, anything that was in that area for that, whatever he does, and he reads all of it. And there's, like, 10 things for each one of the planets that you can go and do it, and he put it all together.

And so what he was saying was, I'm going to have a really tough life and i'm gonna have to go to the underworld and uh do you know what a heyoka is sure yeah it's actually a clown yeah yeah it's the name of my college yeah yeah sacred clown so when he talked about hey okay there's explain that to people you want to explain that what that concept is so the concept is is the uh it was not a court jester because court jesters, all they're doing is being funny and goofy.

The Heyokas and the Thales and the sacred clowns and all these were actually religious leaders in the community, but also have the ability to speak

and say whatever they wanted. And that's like comedians up on stage when you have like Chappelle and who was Chris Rock and all those other guys. They're up there telling jokes. And we should probably talk about this too later on, maybe about the whole transgender and all the other stuff.

People are getting busted for doing jokes, for being a Heyoka. Heyoka's purpose is to mess with our heads a little bit and make us think. Yeah, that was their, Lakota's idea was that everything should be tested. Yeah. And one of the ways to test ideas is to poke at it and make fun of it. Like there's certain things you can't make fun of, but there's certain things that don't want you to make fun of them. And maybe you should a little bit. It's good for everybody to get made fun of a little bit. It's just what is the purpose of it in our society today?

Yeah. That's where it becomes like a question. Are you allowed to joke around about certain subjects? Are you going to get upset? And it varies with people too. It's like some people don't get upset at all and some people get furious if you even breach subjects, which I don't think is good for anybody. which is I don't think good for anybody. For those people who get so upset about those jokes or about all this stuff,

how weak are they that they're going to let that affect them to such a point where they get so angry that they attack? I think people feel different today. You and I are kind of the same age, and I think people feel very different today about their feelings, and they feel very differently today about what it is when someone insults their feelings when we were kids it was super normal for people to insult your feelings and i don't know if that's good or bad because it's like as i get older um one of the things i realized is like um my mom uh was the child of immigrants. And I think like that,

those generations of people that first came over here, like in the 1940s and the 1920s, they had such a hard scrabble life, man, that they maybe weren't the nicest people to their kids. You know, it's like, there was a lot of like beating your kid.

If your kid did something wrong, like every kid got hit back. We all got hit. Everybody got hit. And we all deserved it. But it's weird. it's like there was a lot of like beating your kid if your kid did something wrong. Every kid got hit back then. We all got hit. Everybody got hit. And we all deserved it. But it's weird. It's like I don't think you should hit your children. I think we know now that it's not a good idea because it really perpetuates more violence.

And it also sends a message that that's the only way to handle something is to put physical pain inflicted on your child child which I don't necessarily think is the right way to do it but I do think that there's something about a little bit of adversity a little bit of disagreement a little bit of it's like it it makes you more relaxed around that stuff whereas with some people today anything that they think is offensive is a such an egregious you know crime on humanity and they they want to attack it with every fiber of their being it's like what is going on for real though you just like you have such a hard time with like especially the dave chappelle special like why don't you tell me what he said that was so awful because that was part of the problem was nobody was saying what specifically he said,

which was so horrific. But in this case, they really couldn't because it was really a love letter to his friend. I mean, that's like the last part of it is basically like he took his friend who killed herself and he put her as the closing piece of a gigantic comedy special that everyone's going to see. And he did it with dignity and he did it kindness, and he did it with true friendship. Yeah. And it's still, still people are furious. Yeah.

Still. It's just one of those things, man. The concept of the Hayaoka, I think we could all use a little of that in our lives. It doesn't mean you have to be mean. Why couldn't everybody use a little bit of it? Yes. Everybody needs it. Everybody needs a little little humor but there was a time the sacred clown like you're saying ahioka that this is medicine so and that's why it was like a duty of the medicine people and historians yeah because and that was basically in a viking culture they're

called tiles i don't know if i'm pronouncing it correctly it It's like T-H-Y-L-E something. But they're the exact duplicate of Wadahilka or Sacred Clown or any of those. It's amongst all those tribal communities from back in those days, they all had those positions. You know, it's like James Campbell or Young, the archetypes, you know. You always have that medicine person archetype within any culture. And back in those days, that medicine person archetype was part of that poking the bear and making sure the king knew you're not wearing clothes. Hey, you're doing that wrong. Hey, this is messed up. And make a joke out of it. Make it kind of funny.

Said the king is not offended. And everybody goes, oh, yeah, that's true. How many jesters do you think were assassinated? Probably a lot. That would be the riskiest job. You're trying to make a fucking king laugh. What if you're annoying and he just decides to kill you in front of everybody? Is that what's happening with cancel culture right now?

No. Is cancel culture the king? It's a different thing. But no, it's just the absolute power of a king to just kill somebody if they don't like what they're doing. That was one of the weirdest things about Game of Thrones and that kind of shit, when they would cut people's heads off and stuff. You'd be like, yeah, I could see people doing that. I could see someone who had total control just killing someone because they don't like their joke.

That evil little blonde-haired guy. Yeah, that little fuck. Yeah, I could see him do it. Yeah, the son. Yeah. Yeah, the sun, yeah. It's like whatever it is about human nature that there's like certain places that people can go to. Here's a question for you.

When you were talking earlier about our age group, so we're like X generation. I'm at the tail end of the baby boomers right at the beginning of X. So we grew up in a community. You know, if we were doing something wrong, any parent in the neighborhood could give you a whack. You know, everybody was out playing, doing whatever they want, but we were always in these big groups. Yeah, people hit other people's kids. Yeah. It was – but that's the way it was, you know. You're going to be out until the streetlights turn on and somebody – you know, don't do anything wrong because you're going to get whacked by an older kid or a parent.

Yeah. Someone was going to straighten you out. But it was a big group. It like a collective it was we had like realities are different than today's realities yeah today they're so individualistic and they're so everything is subjective everything is relative and so it makes nothing is true because if you think about if everything's subjective in a subjective reality what's true i know what you're saying. So I lived in objective reality, so did you,

because we grew up in like this very religious, very red, white, and blue America. We're a great country. We don't do everything right, but we're pretty darn good. And that was in all our heads. It was Pledge of Allegiance in the morning. So we all had like this truth, this thing that we knew was true.

God is there and God bless America and America is awesome and here we are and let's get on with business. And that's the way I saw it. Now, if you look at the kids growing up today, they don't have any of that. They don't have – there's no religion anywhere near them pretty much. They're on social media all the time by themselves. So it's all about individualism. It's all about subjective. It's even going into the words.

When we start talking about gender stuff and some stuff maybe later after we get some of this background stuff down, but they're taking words and they're even making the words subjective. So now we no longer have just male and female. We have a hundred other things and who knows in another year or two it doesn't be a thousand more genders well isn't that one of those things subjective yeah but all people always want something in their head that other people don't have and if you could just change names of a thing and decide you're a zur or you're a you

know have you ever seen those tiktok videos where people describe the type of sex they are and they say it in like with some crazy thing like i'm only attracted to someone with one sock on you know like they'll say that like that's the type of sexual they are like one sock a sexual it's it's it's there's a certain level of indulgence when it gets to that right but like who are we to draw the line? That's the problem and it's like without that thing that structure of You know, I believe in God. I believe in country and I believe in you know, and the United States is an awesome place Like none of those things are bad things to say but if you say those things people associate it with bad

It's almost like we're ashamed of ourselves right if you say that to a lot of people in America today You don't say it that way they'll genuinely be like almost insulted Yeah, like it's it sounds like if they had to say that or they had to think that to be like I'm not saying that like we've done some horrible things America's terrible. I said we've done bad stuff We're not always right, but there's overall we're pretty damn good there's a lack of an appreciation for that's just how humans operate yeah and it's not that the United States is wholly bad it's that people are fucked up this is about as good as it's ever been yes this right

here this craziness you know this is about as good as people have ever lived. It's fucked up. Yeah, but it isn't because it's not the Mongol hordes. You know, it's not people fighting off barbarians. It's like we were doing better when we had a little bit better, you know, appreciation for law enforcement. And there was there's just it seems like the pandemic fucked a lot of people over, too. It would have been interesting to see, like like where we could have gotten as a culture. Because I think like culture accelerates pretty quickly these days. And it would be interesting to see where we would have gotten if it hadn't been for the pandemic.

I think we probably wouldn't have been so anxiety ridden. I think that's a big part of what we're experiencing now is like the aftershock of the pandemic. People who lost friends and people who got injured and got wrecked by it. There's a lot of that still in the air, like, whoa, what the fuck happened? And then also there's a distrust for like, how did this happen?

A huge distrust. Tell me the truth, how did this fucking happen? Take care of me? I don't trust him. Right, but no one gets this really sure fire. Yeah. So like no one, no one presents anything to me where I go, well, that's definitely how it happened.

No need to worry about the lab leak. Yeah. Everything seems to me. It's all hidden and weird. It just seems to make way more sense that it came from a fucking lab. It acts like a virus from a lab. Right. Did you get it?

Did you get COVID? I don't know. Everybody that trusts the tests. It's like that PCR test. I don't really know if it's really testing for COVID or a regular flu. Well, that's interesting. Right. Isn't there some there's some crossover in the way it tests like some some mistakes? Yeah. Isn't that the case? Yeah. Yeah. They did. When did they figure it was that because of the amount of cycles they were running? Because I remember there was a thing where they were saying they were running 40 cycles at one point in time and then they switched it and lowered it

because they were getting too many false positives. Too many false positives, yeah. The guy, Cary Mullis, who invented that PCR, he did not think it was a good idea for testing viruses that way. There's like an interview where he's discussing it Yeah, and he gives all the fine in an inert. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean It's because it's so high you could just find stuff in you. It'll always pop positive. Yeah, well

I don't know if always unless I dial it way down Yeah, but it's it's like it's not you're you're not at risk for developing the disease necessarily. But it's also, back then, nobody knew. But you nailed it, too. It's just like, just tell us something that's true. Something I can hold on to. I don't think they want to tell us that it came from a fucking lab. If they 100% knew it came from a lab, I still think they'd be like, the results are inconclusive. Because it's just too terrifying for people to know that something that killed millions of people came out of a lab like that is that's wild in the back of our minds

don't we all know it came from a lab boy we've been messing with these viruses and stuff forever it's a military i can never say i know for sure but the people that i've talked to know for sure look up fort mead i'm pretty sure it's Fort Meade. But there's like, I mean, there's stuff that we've done in the U.S. military at all these bio labs since like World War I. Well, we've definitely had these crazy labs. We went to visit one.

I went to visit one with Duncan Trussell. We went to the one in Galveston, the CDC, whatever it is. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, it's terrifying. You're behind all these walls of glass and you get to see people in there with the fucking suits on, whatever it is. Oh yeah, yeah. Dude, it's terrifying. You're behind all these walls of glass and you get to see people in there with the fucking suits on, there's tubes,

you're like, yikes, this is crazy. But you know what he was saying? He was saying the worry is not about someone developing something. It's interesting in retrospect, because this was like back in 2012, I think it was. He said the real fear is a natural event, like something happening from agriculture, like a pig farm or something like that. That's where a lot of them come from.

That's what we really have to be worried about. Earlier when we were talking about the kids growing up, all that, the one thing that I think that we both spoke about, we didn't say the word it's just respect yeah that's true too that's one thing that people have out here like kids say sir to you yeah they're like very respectful people raise like respectful people out here yeah there's something to that man it's like what you were saying about the the the whole thing about like what's missing's missing is the respectful thing, but also being upset at almost everything and anything. It's the ability to express yourself so impulsively on a phone. Anybody can just express themselves.

Then they're in an argument with someone who disagrees. And they're just doing it back and forth all day. It's an unknown entity on the other end of some follower that, you're not even in my follower group. You're not even part of my circle. I don't care what you say. It's really interesting because there's so much fucking information that's flying around. Like what we were talking about earlier.

I don't know if that shit works where they can pinpoint where you were born, at the time you were born, and figure out how it all lines up with the constellations and have some sort of an effect on you but but when you're totally unreasonable man when he was going over all those charts I kept going so the charts were like that's true saying that you're gonna have a fucked up life because of all the data that they were getting from this he just like when he read it through there he says you have a couple paths and it looks

like you're gonna have a really tough one. This whole area here, and he just kept going through Y, and he was showing me the planets and talking through it. It was the craziest couple of hours I've ever had. So when you say you don't believe in gravity, you really do believe in gravity, right? Oh, yeah. Gravity exists. Yeah. I just don't like calling it gravity because it's still a theory. Oh.

I just think that it's about buoyancy. The reason I'm not going through this floor right now is because I am less dense than this floor. The reason that apple goes through the atmosphere, the apple is heavier than the atmosphere until it gets to the water. But it's lighter than the water for, you know, if you do Archimedes' principle

on all of it, everything can be explained by buoyancy. I see what you're saying, but both maybe. Maybe both. Yeah. But that unknown force, we got rid of. For sure, like we had the apple displaces the air. Yeah. Yeah, and falls to the ground.

But it's also getting sucked into the ground by gravity. Like both those things are real. Something else is going on. Something else? I think it's like the ether. And it was something that Tesla went into really big too, was that other substance. And then Einstein, I think, is the one that messed all this up. Because they started changing the name of it and trying to write away the ether.

And it had a few different names for it. But it's basically the, it's the stuff that's in between all the atoms. Do they know what causes gravity? Can they tell you exactly what causes gravity? They know it has to do with mass, right? They cannot explain gravity. What did you say, Jamie? Don't look at me for this one.

I don't know. Come on, bitch. Come on, scientist. You're the guy who got an A in physics. Isn't it a thing where they can measure, they can look at the mass of a planet, and they can say how much gravity. Right?

Isn't that true? There's formulas for this stuff, yes. Isn't that why the Earth, like when you go to the moon, you're really light? Because the moon has like one-sixth Earth's gravity? If you have the planet right here, it's going to cause the time. For the folks that are just listening, Kristen made a draw. There's a time-space continuum, all these planes of space. They bend when they go around that object.

And so the space actually bends around the Earth and then gets flat again. So it makes a hole right here. Okay, so if it's a bigger object, then it's a bigger curve? It's a bigger object, it'll be a bigger hole. Yeah. And so that'll make more gravity? More gravity here. So if you're here and you start falling in a hole that it makes,

you're going to fall into that gravity hole right here. That's how it was explained by Einstein, and I think it was also by Hawking and a bunch of other ones. They all talked about how the time-space was full. It bends when it has that large mass. Well, you know, that's what Bob Lazar said those spaceships do. Those spaceships that they were trying to back engineer. He said they're working off of this element called Element 115.

It was just theoretical. It wasn't even proven that it was a real element until sometime in the 2000s. But he was saying this in like 1989. He was like they have a stable form of this Element 115 and it sits in a reactor in the 2000s, but he was saying this in like 1989. He's like, they have a stable form of this element 115 and it sits in a reactor in the craft. And what this thing does, he said, he likened it to taking a bowling ball and placing it in the center of a mattress.

So like the mattress, he's like, it bends the gravity and instantaneously propels you to a place. That's cool. And they were trying to figure out how to make it work. I want to read on that one. It's wild shit, man. That's cool. Because if they can do that, and why wouldn't we assume that that's the next form of travel?

If they really do know that at least theoretically it's possible to bend space. To bend space. It's theoretically possible. Like there was a movie, what was it? The Event Horizon. You remember that one? Yeah, that's a cool movie. It was like a monster movie in space. To bend space. It's theoretically possible. Like there was a movie, what was it? The Event Horizon. You remember that one? Yeah, that's a cool movie. It was like a monster movie

in space and that was the thing is like they were going to be the first people to do it and so the way they described it in the movie, it's like you would take like a piece of paper,

fold it in half, put a pencil through the center of them and then unfold it and like you'd go instantaneously through all that space. You just have to pick the first two spots. Get the spots.

There's a lot of cool stuff. They're going to do that someday. But there's something going on besides just the theory of gravity and the mass and all that. There's other things going on. And I think that's what Tesla was trying to tap into. A lot of the other ones that think about the energy fields all around us. So there's gravity and there's a bunch of other stuff. There's a lot of other stuff going on right?

It's not just one force because the middle of the earth has a magma in his iron core spinning It's like how does that work? But they do know that these planets have a pull on other planets. Yeah, they do know that So there's obviously something going on to the theory of gravity Like there's there's something going on to large objects pulling things towards them. That's because that's why Jupiter saves us. Because if it wasn't for the gravity of Jupiter, we'd be fucked. Because so many asteroids go slamming into Jupiter because it just sucks them in.

It protects us. Yeah, it's bigger than us. What was that Van Allen belt? The Van Allen radiation belts. The radiation belts. Yeah, that's not protecting us from. But how does that, if you go to the moon, you have to go through Allen radiation belts. The radiation belts. Yeah, that's not protecting us from- But how does that- If you go to the moon, you have to go through those radiation belts, right?

Well, the way they described it is it's like a hula hoop, or not a hula hoop, like a barrel, but with no top and no bottom, and you can shoot out the top. So that's what they do. They shoot out the top. And they shoot out the top, and apparently you don't have to go through the Van Allen radiation belts. So it'd be at the North and South Pole? But then I've heard shit that if you go through the belts you can go through the belts because it's a short amount of time With high exposure if you have like a certain amount of protection. I don't know we're going deep into like spaces

Well, it's it's you know, it's kind of freaky shit because I've talked to people about it I said well what hat you know, there's like a lot of micrometeors out in space, right? And they're like, oh yeah, they're all over the place. Well, what happens if you're in a rocket ship and you're going to the moon and you encounter a micrometeor and it hits the craft? He's like, well, you're fucking dead. I was like, should you just take a chance? Like, you have to.

Yes, you do. I mean, like a small thing the size of a marble would nuke a fucking spaceship. Yeah. Right? Wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. You'd think. I would think so. Going how fast they're going? I mean, like a small thing the size of a marble would nuke a fucking spaceship. Yeah. Right? Wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. You'd think. I would think so.

Going how fast they're going. They've had some holes in the space station, right? Haven't they? Because they're just floating around up there. I think every now and then they get whacked by stuff. There's got to be holes in that thing. Do you remember that movie with Sandra Bullock? Yeah.

Remember that movie with a little piece of junk from space slams into their- I started watching that. I just couldn't get through it. No? I started watching. I was like, man, this is... Oh, look at that. Piece of space junk.

Boom. Damages the space station. Just punched a fucking hole through it. Jeez. That stuff's just floating around up there. We left a bunch of shit up there. Golf balls and weird stuff. Do you know how many satellites must be flying around?

Golf balls and weird stuff. Do you know how many satellites must be flying around? It is so crazy that we did that without any thought of what happens in the future when these things start crashing into each other. Too much junk up there. I mean, how much? What is the worldwide number of satellites, if you had to guess? Take a guess. Shit.

100,000? I bet you're right. I bet it's about that. No, I bet it's more. I bet it's 200,000. Oh, we have all those little microsatellites too. In the SEAL teams, we had our own little microsatellites we could shoot up. How big are those?

That's classified. Oh, really? No, there's some small ones though. There are some real small ones that we can shoot up. 100,000? Yeah. According to the internet, I don't know the source. There's like 8,000 at the most I'm seeing.

That's it? Yeah. Really? I'm currently flying. Somewhere between 6,500 and 8,200. Oh, interesting. In history? No, no, no.

Just current, like at the moment. Just flying off the right now? Yeah, I was looking into space debris and how much stuff is all total up there. Oh, interesting. In history? No, no, no, just current, like at the moment. Just flying off to right now? Yeah, I was looking into space debris and how much stuff is all total up there, but I think that's like working satellites. In history, there's got to be 100,000. I wonder. You think they shoot stuff up there all the time. Well, they didn't really start until the 60s though, right? Was that when they started putting satellites up there?

When did they start doing that? Yeah, they had to be able to carry stuff. Spot next as well. Right. Well, they probably started shooting shit before people, obviously, right? I think so. I don't know. Sputnik was the first one, so Sputnik was 59 or 60-something.

You ever see the movie Sputnik? No. It's fucking dope. It's pretty cool. It's a Russian horror movie about these guys, these Russian cosmonauts that encounter an alien and then bring it back to the base it's really fucking good it's all it's all dubbed that's the first one in 1957 57 since then 8900 satellites from 40 countries have been launched I thought it was five thousand remain in orbit I thought it was way more to five 5,000 remain in orbit. Up those 1,900 are operational. Yo, that means 3,900

fell from the fucking sky. They're still up there. Jesus. Oh, they're still up there. Or both. Or a little mixture of both. Oh, so they didn't fall from the sky. They probably would burn up though on their way in, right? I wonder. I mean, I wouldn't bet on it. Do they always burn up?

Don't chunks of them fall to the ground? That's interesting. Maybe they design them. They mostly burn up. Maybe they design them to burn up? Don't chunks of them fall to the ground? That's interesting. Maybe they design them. They mostly burn up. Maybe they design them to burn up. Because they don't have the deflector shields and all the ceramic stuff on them. So they're really just going through the atmosphere? Probably just burn up, yeah.

How wild is that? They would have no protection. How wild is that? They go so fast, they burst into flames. Yeah, 60% of the rocket bodies and 60 to 90% of satellite mass burn up during atmospheric re-entry. That's still 30% and 10% of rocks coming from fucking space

hitting you in the head. That seems kind of crazy. That'd be a terrible way to die, too. Oh, my God, hit by a satellite? I don't want to die by a satellite. Have you seen that movie, Sputnik, Jamie? No. I think it's closed caption, now that I'm thinking of it. I don't think it's dubbed. Was have you seen that movie sputnik jamie no i think it's

uh closed caption now that i'm thinking about it i don't think it's dubbed was it a straight to dvd movie um i think it was uh one of those movies that i was 20 yeah oh new uh i was flipping through um like uh itunes movies and i just clicked on it was like what is this this? And then it had good reviews. And so I watched it. But it's really fucking good, man. It's very interesting. Very unique movie. That's cool. Like it's not like it's very Russian.

But it's not like any horror movie I've ever seen before. It's like a complete original. And the storyline behind it is really fascinating. It's like they wanted to contain this thing and do something with it, which is, I think, exactly what people would do if we encountered something from another planet. I don't think they'd tell us about it. They probably would never tell us.

They wouldn't tell us. Get it. Joe Biden ain't telling us shit. He would lie. He wouldn't tell us. Joe Biden ain't telling us shit. He would lie. He wouldn't tell us about aliens. Hopefully we didn't get in trouble. They seem to be talking about it a lot lately, which I tell you makes me more suspicious. They're prepping us for Project Blue Beam.

I just, I feel like I'm being fucked with. Like if the fucking CIA and NSA and the DEA, they're all telling you about UFOs. Well, you know what Project Blue Beam is. What is Project Blue Beam? Project Blue Beam. I knew about Blue Book. So it's a UFO project. It's basically, they didn't really want UFOs.

They wanted it to be like a religious something up in the sky. So they can take all these lasers and whatever they're doing. I think they even use UAVs now. So they fly them all around there and they can make full like solid looking objects in the sky. Really? Anywhere they want. So if you thought that went up there, Project Bluebeam.

My thoughts on this whole UFO thing lately have been like the more they talk about it, the more I think it's fake. The more they admit that they can't. We have no idea. These do not come from an earthly source. But they're prepping us. They're going to get us ready for Bluebeam.

And when they do it, they're going to go, see, I told you, UFOs. And everybody's scared. I think they can make stuff now that looks like UFOs. I think they have drones now, I bet, that are like UFOs. I bet that's a lot of what we're going to see. I don't think you can... You can't know how advanced some military technology is.

Because it's so interesting how they do it. It's like even though they have a budget, it's like, how much do they spend? We don't fucking know. We don't have any say. They're black budget. It's like, how much do they spend? We don't fucking know. We don't have any say. They're black budget. Nobody gets to, like, imagine if you could vote on what you want your money going to.

That'd be awesome. How much do you want your money going to military? How much do you want your money to go into education? How much to infrastructure? And you could just vote that way. And everybody could vote not just for a candidate, but vote for the percentage of your own personal money that you want to go. You have to pay the same amount of taxes.

But you can choose. You can say, hey, I'm opposed to war, so I don't want to donate to that. Or I'm opposed to education. I want people stupid. I'm not going to vote for that. But we would, I mean, that would be ideal, right? Because then representatives could never not represent their constituents. They would have to, that wouldn't be on the table.

It's a money on the spot. Yeah. So then you'd have to figure out what to do with that money because if you need more money for prisons or you need more money for cops or you need more money for teachers, you should now make the case. Yeah. So if everybody gets to vote for everything, that would be really interesting. That'd be cool.

The problem is people don't have time to learn about stuff. You know, if you're voting for like if there's anything that involves finances, most people have eyes glazed over. You're barely paying attention to interest rates. I was trying to think of what kind of government would that be called. It's interesting. It's not even higher than a representative technocracy. Because we are a technocracy right now. You can't deny it.

Yeah, we're definitely. And it's interesting because I think these entities that became a part of the technocracy, these immense tech companies, it was not their idea to do this. Twitter was just trying to come up with a thing where you could talk to your friends. Do you remember the old days? I just want to hook up with somebody.

Yeah, or meet friends from high school and meet back up with them. You remember when people would put like, at Jamie Vernon is going to have pizza? Do you remember the earliest days of Twitter? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what people would do. Oh, God, yeah. Now imagine that that stupid thing would go on to be like the number one source of information.

Of propaganda. Well, propaganda too, but also of conversations. Like the amount of information that gets exchanged and the amount of people interact with each other on Twitter. It's crazy. Yeah, it'd be cool to see the numbers. It's nuts. I don't even think they know the numbers. That's what holding up this Elon Musk deal. Well, it's crazy.

Yeah, those numbers are crazy. Well, they don't know the numbers of the fake accounts. Is that going to end up being something with the SEC? That they were given false numbers? I don't know. I don't know how that works. I don't know if they know because it's not whether or not they're false. It's whether or not the method they use to find out is the most effective method. But if Twitter knew it had false accounts

and it had a lot of other false data going through there and they were saying these are our numbers, they were given false numbers to the SEC. Perhaps perhaps but i don't think that would be with their knowledge the way it's it's very complicated because how do you prove that an account is real and there's also a problem there's people that have real accounts but they use them like they're not a real account so they have a real account they log in but they don't post at all they just read stuff which is fine right yes true but some people don't want to interact with people they just rather just read other people's opinions on things those two people would be treated as if they have a fake account yeah so it's like how do we know how do you is there a way to know and I think Elon has

proposed some way to know but I don't know what that is but the way they do it it's like I don't know if you're accurate or not I don't know what that is but the way they do it is it's like I don't know if you're accurate or not I don't think they know there's there's accounts that are fake accounts that are these internet research agency accounts that they're like indistinguishable from regular people they're posting yeah they're posting memes they're commenting on stuff they're getting people to comment on stuff for the account. And they seem real reasonable or they act like a normal person.

And they're just literally like, it's a fucking, it's not even AI, man. It's like a room full of people are doing this. The farms. Yeah. It's wild because you can find like tweets where you see the same exact wording in like multiple accounts. Like, whoa, what the fuck is going on here and then you realize oh my god these are bots this is crazy like how many of them are there but I have a couple of

accounts and I run my accounts differently like one I've run it super conservative and I have another one I run it super liberal on purpose yeah if you that's interesting you should have multiple accounts Because what happens is there's an underlying program. I'm just going to call it the Moonraker. So there's an underlying program under everything. And it's a government program. And in that government program, as soon as it starts seeing keywords, it will start pigeonholing you into certain data fields. And it does it.

It's like super deep web complicated program but it will pigeonhole you and so if you start running something really conservative and making comments and really hitting it hard you know on all that stuff and liking it your account will become more and more conservative if you have a liberal account and you're doing a lot of liberal stuff on there and I'm saying I'm saying Democrat GOP whatever left right I do it because I want all the data so I want I want the knowledge and the thing is if you're going to start pigeon holding me because of stuff I say then I want to be pigeonholed as far as I can get on that one

account and the same thing for the other one do you have a centrist account yeah I do three accounts but I mean and there's also a there's a there place out there, it's a website, where it actually takes left, center, and right, and it gives you the data from all those places. It's a really cool comparison website, and it does it for politics. That's a weird thing about the whole algorithm, that it does sort of curate information. It will. And it kind of promotes the echo chamber mentality. Echo chamber. Yeah.

That's what I was trying to get to. Because that's what you're into, so that's what it gives you. And it gives you things that you get upset by because those are the things you engage with the most. So can you imagine if I only had one of those accounts? So if all I had was a conservative account and that program, I was moon-raked into all of that area, I'm going to see so much anti-left and so much other stuff and everything I'm being fed is going to make me angrier and angrier against the opposite.

Yeah. And it goes both ways. Algorithms are very interesting because I could see how it would help in some ways, like it'll suggest things to you that are interesting that might be right up your alley and that would be that would be good you know and you enjoy the site more it's a better product for you yeah but then there's the other thing that does when it comes to opinions and it locks you in with yeah and it gets it also like seems to that sort of engagement is almost like it's instigating bullshit instigating disagreements.

It totally does. Yeah. And that's why I don't understand what the reason, why. Because I think they didn't anticipate it. I think they thought it was going to do the first thing. I think they thought, everybody's looking for some insidious plan, but I think it's just human nature. And I think what they were doing was showing you the things that you engage with the most yeah so like aren't my friend Ari Shaffir he did an experiment and he only viewed puppy

videos on YouTube and all YouTube would show him was videos of puppies yeah because that's what he asked for right that's right well that's but that yeah but he's do he just did it for the experiment, as did you. But if you're that person that clicks on those kind of, it's just going to show you that stuff. But it's not that it's insidious. It was designed, I think, to enhance the experience. So if you're looking for, like, you like watching European football. So, like, you're looking for these matches.

And then all of a sudden it's suggesting all sorts of other matches. And it's like, oh, this is great. I don't even have to look for them. They're right there in front of me. It helps you engage the platform more. But then people are so crazy that what we want to do is get upset by stuff. And even the world outside, like Bill Hicks used to have a great joke about that, about watching CNN. And about like, you know, they were talking about AIDS, disease, death, everyone's gonna

die, you know you'll never live to be a hundred. And I forget what the joke was, then he would open up the door and look outside and be like where the fuck is all this shit happening? Where's all the death? This bird's tweeting and it's like there's a thing that happens if you focus only on negativity. Yeah. And if you only focus on negativity. Yeah. And if you only focus on negativity, it's very bad for you.

It's not, you can get too much information and it's not how you're supposed to live as a human. You're not supposed to interface with 7 billion people's worth of bullshit. It's just too much. You literally can't exist like that. It's terrible for you and there's a lot of people who do that and that is one of the things that's heightened us on top of the pandemic so you have the pandemic that fucked everybody up and then you have this social media

that's sort of naturally accelerating everybody's anxiety and freaking everybody out and it's closing in all our echo chambers. Yeah. So if all we're hearing is that one point of view, we're going to really hate the other side. Yeah, that's terrible. I just think that's what we fell into. Our whole country has fallen into that trap. Just a lot of people that I knew that were like pretty reasonable people that during the pandemic, especially, just ramped things up to such an extreme you're like my god man are you okay you're so political I could go to their their their Twitter page and it's just filled with politics stuff like not what are you doing it's a whole world though it's a world it's like a baseball fan it's like it's the word I

mean like you know baseball fans like to read off stats yeah these fucking political people to get really political it's, man, you're almost like a sports fan. You're a sports fan for the Democrats. Maybe it is. Maybe that's their team. Hey, go team. I really think that's what it is. I think there's a real problem in having parties at all.

I think you should just have people with ideas. Because I think when you have parties, it just makes people want to, like if you're on on one side you don't like the other side you don't listen to their reasonable ideas fuck them they're the enemy we're gonna crush them come November you know and it's like

that's probably not healthy it's probably not healthy for the country because people naturally tend to gravitate towards a team that accepts them whatever it is you know like you pretend you like things

to get in with the cool crowd. People do that. They do it all the time. Yeah, and that's a natural tendency for human beings to want to be connected to a tribe. And it's like you don't necessarily want that. You kind of want to be able to have a lot of ideas in your head. You don't want to have to be like,

if I believe in this, I believe in that because it's a part of my tribe. And you hear it from all sides. Yeah, if I believe in this, I believe in that because it's a part of my tribe. And you hear it from all sides. Yeah. Maybe I believe in this, but I think that's dumb. Maybe I think you guys are a little oversensitive.

Have you ever heard of Loose Traps? Loose Traps? Loose. L-O-O-S-H. Loose. No. Loose Trap. What is that?

That's a little bit about what I was talking about when we get into those echo chambers and we get all the negativity. And when an underlying program is constantly feeding us all the information to make us deeper and deeper into our own, you know, nihilistic, you know, self, everything. It's our way of pulling all the data. So the loose trap is a, it's a negative, it's, it's piling on all the negative feelings and negative information and making people get that anxiety, that angst, that anger. And so the loose is actually, it's probably going into religion and spirituality a little bit. But if you believe that there's good in the world, then you also kind of have

to believe that there's also the opposite. If you believe that good energy can heal, like there was that one experiment they did at some university or somewhere where everybody got around a thing of water, and they give good vibrations and good energy to the water. Then they studied the water under a microscope, and the water was in this really cool geometric shape. And they did the same experiment with some water and they were angry at it and yelling at it

and being mean to it and the water was all discombobulated and weird looking. I saw that, but I didn't know if that was bullshit. I was always going to ask you, Jamie, to look that up. That'd be a good one to look up. Because I'll tell you what, and because we're so much water. If that's real, that's crazy.

67% water? But if it's not real, that might be just as crazy. It shows how crazy people are that would make something like that up. That's almost more interesting. But I really think it's not real that might be just as crazy shows how crazy people are they would make something like that up That's almost more interesting what I really think I wish yeah, but I wish it wasn't true now because then it's even more fascinating It's someone would make something Dude I went for like forever for a long time Believing that the sky was filled with these flying worms

This is how stupid I am Kristen listen to me believing that the sky was filled with these flying worms. This is how stupid I am, Kristen. Listen to me. Wait, you're freaking me out now. This is how dumb I am. I was getting baked with my friend Eddie, Eddie Bravo, and we would watch these documentaries on these things called rods. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever done. And, I mean, I spent many hours watching these things.

Like, this is incredible. You can only capture them with high- speed cameras. That's not true at all What it really is is when you have a camera that's filming like unless it's a super high speed camera When a bug flies across it it shows like a trail It doesn't just show a bug like that's moving across the stream But when they have like a 4k camera like one of those like high-definition cameras, then you see it's just a bug So this show called I think was Monster Hunter. They showed it on TV. I'm like god damn it. I'm so dumb There's worms everywhere. I believe that there was flying worms in the sky

Like there's a video of these guys jumping into a cave They're parachuting down into a cave in Mexico. And as they're doing it, these things fly by. These things fly under them and it looks so real. Like if you're dumb like me and you don't understand exposures and cameras, see if you can find that because it's so stupid. Dude, for fucking years I believed this. At least a solid two years I thought this was real.

I watched hours of those documentaries. I have to look back in my memory and what was something that I believe that was just totally off the wall? That's the dumbest one. That's the dumbest one of things I believed. I think the Bigfoot one. I believed Bigfoot for a long time. But I think Bigfoot used to be real. That's what I think.

I think there's too many Native American words. Too many Native American words for that animal. But there's also South American words and there's words in Siberia. There's also a real animal that existed with humans. It's called the Gigantopithecus and it was in the orangutan family and it was somewhere around eight feet, 10 feet tall. It was huge. There's a photo of what it would look like because it was a bipedal hominid.

It was a standing upright ape that might have been 10 feet tall. And there's a picture of it like what it would look like if it was like a modern human was standing there next to this thing. It's fucking crazy. This is a real animal.

So why did a Smithsonian destroy all of those huge skulls, the giant skulls and all the giant bones? What? All of the 15 foot, 20 foot tall humans. Oh, you're taking me down a good crazy road. So 20 to of the 15 foot 20 foot tall humans good crazy road so 20 to here we go 10 15 20 foot tall humans and the smithsonian destroyed all the skulls not a skeleton are you sure they just were yeah well let's suppose this gigantopithecus first i'm

gonna show you this first because it's so crazy just show me an image i'm on four things back i know i'm sorry and then and then i got the water thing but okay you did find it go to the water thing first it's cool because it's like it's jumping around it's making shapes we'll go to the water thing and then we're gonna come back to bigfoot top it off with what was the last one i tried to look that up pretty quick it's pretty tough is it tough why uh breaking it i couldn't find any sort of science about it, any scientific things. So then I went to the Wikipedia of the guy who made the claims. And in this, 2003, James Randi published an invitation to him,

offering him to take the $1 million paranormal challenge, in which he could have received $1 million if he could reproduce the experiment under test conditions, and he did not receive a response. That was the water stuff? Yeah. Okay. Damn. So it's water stuff. It's showing like snow,

you know like crystals when they turn into snow, and then a bunch of other weird pictures, and it's just showing pictures. There's no like science on how to reproduce it. What about... Look at, what if you look at frequency effects on water? That's way different. Frequency effects on water.

That's way different than what this was claiming is that you have to leave water in a jar for 30 days and talk to it that's different than running frequencies through because the frequency has really lined it up is there any science on talking to plants I think there is that's different too

is it I'm just trying to like did you go to church as a kid not, yeah. I'm just trying to like— Well, think about church. Did you go to church as a kid? Not that much, but I stopped when I was like seven. So I grew up in a very church atmosphere. Jerry Falwell, we went to that school and church with Jerry Falwell and Adrian Rogers in Memphis, Tennessee. So we went to the big megachurches.

We were like deep, deep Baptist, evangelical Christians. Damn. So I got indoctrinated really young for a long time. went to the big mega churches we were like deep deep baptist evangelical christians damn so i yeah i got indoctrinated really young for a long time so if you start throwing bible verses at me i can throw it down yeah i can wow i can throw down bible quick so what uh branch of uh christianity davidian no i'm just kidding it was uh evangelical christian here's a for instance like there is some very strange water experiments you can do with frequencies. Oh, wow.

You can set it down on plates and make some really cool stuff too. It all shapes out. Look at that. So the electricity running into the water makes it do that spiral? It's sound really. It's not even electricity.

It's sign. Sound. Vibrations. Oh. The spout is connected to a speaker. The speaker is being controlled by an oscillation thing. But if you do all the hertz, you can see it.

Oh, my God. This is incredible. What is the... And this is just one experiment for this. There's a lot of other really, really cool ones. There's the ones that run through all the frequencies, and you have the balanced frequencies, which is... I'm messing up the frequencies right now i can't remember tbi i just believe i'm not tbi let me smoke another joint the uh it changes shapes so it goes into like this uh

hexagram and all these different shapes yeah different patterns so if you change a frequency the patterns change right and so if it can do, and that's why I was talking about prayer and churches and singing, there was a time when a lot of humanity would get together at least once a week, and it would sing together, and it would pray together. And no matter who you're praying to, God or Yahweh or the creator or the maker, whoever you want to pray to, if everybody's on the same frequency, everybody's on the same frequency, everybody's on the same energy, and they're giving you all this energy,

how could that be bad? Look at this thing. Yeah, this is some weird shit. So the ultrasonic waves are causing these objects to levitate. So they're levitating in the ultrasonic waves. Is that ice? I don't know. I don't even think it says exactly

what they're floating there. It's probably just a piece of, maybe like rice or a piece of paper or something. Holy shit. But people speculate this is maybe how the pyramids might have been made because of the frequencies that people think they make

or could have made, you know, back when they existed in the way they did in their original form. And if you think about all of- I don't know how. This is part of like- That was something that Eddie Griffin said outside the comedy store once high as fuck.

Smoking cigarettes going- I don't know how. Pyramids were made with sound. Yeah, I believe that. There's a frequency. I remember someone's talked about there's a hum in there or there's a specific frequency in one of the pyramids. I don't remember.

Well, there's something certainly to like the shape of the stone and the fact that it's all going to echo like crazy and there's that one pyramid in south america you can yell at it and it gives you a bird sound back yeah yeah yeah yeah there's something going on with the pyramids we're a pyramid culture that sound have you ever seen that jamie where the guy stands down to the bottom of uh i think it's in chichen Itza, and he makes some noise. What did he do? Did he yell? I think he made clap. You can make any noise, loud noise, that it comes back as a bird.

It sounds weird. It's pretty cool. And that's like the temple of Quetzalcoatl, I think, too. I might have made that up. But that's like their bird. It sounded good. Their crazy bird god. Is it in Chichen Itza?

Chichen Itza echo clap. But if you do the... Look at this. Oh, yeah, this is it. If you saw how big this pyramid is and how far away this guy is from it, you would realize how crazy that is. If you're listening to this, just listening to this... This is a simple echo, actually.

It's very simple to explain. When you clap in front of a pyramid, I mean of a slope, the sound will go to the top. In this case, a pyramid. And if there are a cavity or a temple, like in this case, the

echo will come back to you. If you clap in front of an Egyptian pyramid, nothing happens because the sound goes away. But here, the sound comes back. They did that on purpose. Why? Imagine if they figured that out on purpose. Imagine if they designed that.

If they designed that, we need to figure out what the fuck went wrong. Like, what happened? Something happened to, what is it, the Dryas section? Yeah, Younger Dryas Impact Theory. And nobody talks about that. Why don't we ever talk about the fact that we were very advanced human beings doing amazing things, the pyramids and doing this and floating rocks and doing space stuff maybe back in those days. And then it all was destroyed.

Now we're rebuilding. Why can't we accept that fact? Well, you know, I think it's civilization has these rises and falls. And we always want to believe that we're in the middle of rising, that we're at the highest level that people have ever been. Because we're way higher than anybody that we know of. And when we look back 1,000 years from now, yeah, we're way more advanced than them. But when you take into account the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, it gets real confusing.

Because you start going, well, okay, if that did happen, how smart were people 12,000 years ago? If the US was really covered, half of it was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice. And people were creating these insane structures, like insane, whether it's the pyramids of Egypt or, I mean, I don't know what year Machu Picchu was made, but a lot of people date it back a long time ago as well. I mean, is Machu Picchu from that era? Like when do they think Machu Picchu was constructed?

But it's another one of those things. It just doesn't make any sense. It's so amazing. None of it makes sense. How did you get these stones here? They're so big, and it's so perfect and beautiful, and the way they contoured the stone to fit into these slots. It's incredible.

We can't do it. We still can't. 1450? Really? That seems wrong. There's no way. Oh, that might be just one of those things. There's one of those things where, like, archaeologists, they'll date a thing.

And, you know, you can't really date stone. So they date, whether it's biological material, they have to find, like, a piece of wood or something. Something they can do a carbon dating thing on. You can't date stones. So they're probably just kind of guessing they might be off And the thing is like that becomes doctrine with a lot of people like you know they found that thing Go back like taping and that threw a monkey wrench into everything because for sure that's 12,000 years old Yeah for sure so that means somebody covered it up intentionally

12,000 years ago that means they could build this stuff 12,000 years ago. Like how? How would they be able to make these immense stone columns when we think that these people are supposed to be hunter-gatherers? It might just be when it was last occupied was 1450. Oh, that makes sense. And that's what it's just giving me the answer for when I ask. That makes sense.

That makes sense. That makes more sense. Like people kept using it. But when did they actually make it? That's, I mean, when you get to, you know, when you get to looking at stuff like the Great Pyramid of Egypt and, you know, they placed that somewhere around 2500 BC. Maybe they're right. But there's so much shit there that's below that.

There's so much stuff that they find, like these old kingdom structures that are under the ground. There's old subway systems under the pyramids. How about all the stuff they're finding in the Amazon? It's crazy. They're finding all these like ancient civilizations in the Amazon that could have been immense and had, you know, who knows how many fucking people living in these really complex grids. Like that was all cities. It's crazy. So I've been buying old encyclopedias.

So I'm trying to find, like I have an encyclopedia from 1910. I have another book of, it's a single book, and it's like the World Knowledge Book or something, and that's from 1890-something. But I'm trying to get all these really old books. Because you've got to figure out all of history, everything that's written down is written by the victors. That's what happens to everything else.

And so if you're looking pre-World War I for the data, and I think if you want to know anything for sure, you have to go before World War I. Really? Because I think everything was changed. What do you mean? The victors were rewriting stuff as we speak right now. There's stuff being adjusted. They're taking words out of the dictionary and they're changing stuff and they're saying that this is wrong and they're constantly correcting historical documents. The encyclopedia today is not going to be the same as my 1910 encyclopedia.

What do you think they're omitting? I think they're trying to cover stuff up. Like what kind of stuff? I really believe that, like if you start looking at Rockefeller and a lot of the really big, you know, rich moguls from back in those days, they changed the schools. They changed universities, changed how we think. They changed how we educate. They started changing the entire medical, you know, system from all this really good homeopathic, really cool stuff to all this pharmaceutical stuff based on oil.

there's so much things going on in those days when they had a chance to do it that now we are brainwashed to think that all of these natural herbs and all this stuff doesn't do anything for us. Do you want to think it can help us if you take this aspirin? Do you want to think it can help if you take this one vaccine? It says, no, there's all this other stuff that's been going on for thousands of years, but they're covering it up. They're erasing those parts of history and saying that this is the way you do it. So I just want to look at it. I want to look at what they had back in the early 19s or 1800s, compare it to what's here. But if you compare it, when it comes to medical science, there's no comparison to what they know today. They've done so many studies.

There's been so much data. For sure, it's corrupted somewhat by the pharmaceutical industry for sure yeah for sure testing is somewhat corrupt they've been busted doing stuff before they've had to pay massive fines for sure but also for sure our understanding of how to heal people is better than it's ever been oh yeah i 100 agree yeah so like that's what one of the things that i when people want to talk about using herbs to cure diseases, I'm like, what? Medicine's pretty fucking good too.

Yeah. It's like you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. But why can't we do both? Yeah, we should be looking. Why can't we look at all these herbs and say, if I take this willow bark and I scrape this down and I do this, and it's going to be, there's haspen trees. There's all these different trees and all these different herbs

that have really good benefits. What do you get out of an aspen tree? They got rid of all that. I thought the aspen tree was the bark, and that's how they used to use it for headaches and stuff. It's willow tree, right? Oh, willow. Yeah, I think it's willow.

One of those? You scraped a bark off of it. Is that all you have to do to get aspirin? It's the bark. I bet it tastes like shit, though. It's the bark off a willow tree. You eat this bullshit-ass bark? You just swallow a couple of bare aspirins?

Six months ago, I stopped using toothpaste. Oh, my God. So I don't use any toothpaste. What do you wash your teeth with? Well, I just do brush to get stuff out. But basically, my mouth bacteria is at a point right now, just like your stomach. All those bacteria, there's good bacteria and bad bacteria. Yeah.

So the good stuff is built up good enough right now that I have zero odor, zero nothing. I don't have to worry about anything in there. Really? Yeah. So you think we've been fucking ourselves over with toothpaste? I think a lot of pharmaceuticals and all the stuff out there isn't always

the right stuff for us. It is a common misconception that aspirin is found in the bark of the willow tree. A related compound called salicin does indeed occur in the willow bark, thereby explaining the use of the bark as a medication since the name Since the time of Hippocrates, okay, so it works like it's just a different thing that works like it's not a seat

It's not like so like acid. Oh look at you smart. That's the aspirin Yeah, it's um. What is this yeah, so that's gigantic is nice that was a real thing So that was a real animal and the way they found out about this is interesting There was a guy. I think it was an anthropologist was in an apothecary shop in China in like the 1930s I think somewhere like early in the 20th century and He found this tooth, and he's like what is this is a giant primate tooth That's cool, and he was looking at he was like this is this is wrong like where the fuck did you find this and they they took him to wherever it was and

he found more so he found jaw bones and that's cool the position of the jaw uh is one of a hominid uh that uh is bipedal so it's like the position of the jaw is supposedly one that's a stand-up gorilla. So this big-ass, hairy, man-looking thing that you saw in that first picture, apparently that was a real thing. And it lived alongside people. Like, there was a thing walking around like that in the jungle. That's pretty cool. It's fucking crazy. Can you look up 1800s giant skeletons?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Smithsonian killed the giants. Yeah, because it would be the same thing as this. Here's the claim. But these are all... Giant human skeletons were found by the thousands and destroyed by the Smithsonian. An old hoax has resurfaced in an Instagram meme claiming that giant skeletons were found but were destroyed because having to explain the existence of these skeletons

contradicted the evolution of mankind and creation, end quote. The July 25th post by the user Conspiracy Theories, which is, that's probably a Russian anyway, which is gained over 54, that's probably a Russian hoax, 54,700 likes reads, giant skeletons were found by the thousands, but most were destroyed or thrown in the ocean by the Smithsonian and Vatican. Okay. Can you do the newspaper articles? Because it shows in the newspapers throughout the entire 1800s and into the 1900s in the United States, there are almost every week a farmer was digging up a giant skeleton. But did they take pictures of these things? Yeah. There's photos.

Just photos? Yeah. So that right there, there's probably a lot of hoax that the Smithsonian didn't destroy thousands. They only destroyed a few hundred. I don't know. But the Smithsonian did. Or it was just...

The thing is, people were always full of shit. Some of the bones they were shown were dinosaur bones. I did read that in the article. It said that they were just showing pictures of people finding dinosaur bones and saying they were giants. But there's a whole bunch of old early 1900s, 1800s newspaper articles where they were printing them in the Austin Gazette. Yeah. Some farmer just out on the road dug up a skeleton and then went down there and took pictures and put it into the Austin Gazette. Maybe they didn't know that it was a dinosaur.

Maybe they thought it was a person. that was like a woolly mammoth or something? They're full human skeletons. Really? They just took pictures of them. Is there any photos of these full human skeletons? I don't know. I'm super skeptical. In the newspapers. Super skeptical. Should be. Super skeptical about these giant human skeletons. Take some data from right and left.

I found something, but let's see what it is. There's a picture of giants in West Virginia. Giants in West Virginia? Take some data from right and left. I found something. Figure it out. Let's see what it is. There's a picture, Giants in West Virginia. Giants in West Virginia. There's tons of these newspaper articles. That's high resolution. That does not look real. We don't know how tall that other dude is either.

That's me standing next to Shaq. Okay, what does it say? I don't know. I'm trying to read through quickly, but I'm just looking for newspapers. Could be. If you just do it, just the pictures of the newspapers going to the images. Why would the Smithsonian destroy it, though? Well, they had a whole bunch of them, and it did admit to destroying a lot of skeletons.

And it's another newspaper article that I found where the Smithsonian is actually apologizing for destroying those skeletons. Really? Yeah. The Smithsonian apologized for destroying those skeletons. Really? Yeah. The Smithsonian apologized for destroying giant skeletons? They did a real little article that they destroyed a bunch of skeletons

or a bunch of them got sent off somewhere or died in a fire. They said something happened. They said, hey, we're sorry. Imagine if you went over Bill Gates' house

and he takes you into a secret room and he's got giant skeletons. He's got all of them. What the fuck? Dude, they were real. They were real. The dinosaurs were actually dragons imagine that imagine if dragons were i mean you think about why are there so many depictions of a similar creature throughout all these different cultures like that was that matthew mcconaughey movie do you remember that movie there was a movie where it turns out

they were digging into the ground for something like oil or some shit and they tapped into dragons yeah and the dragons were here it is giant skeletons found cave in mexico gives up the bones of an ancient race okay it says charles c clap who has recently returned from Mexico, where he has been in charge of Thomas W. Lawson's minipig interest. Mining interests. Oh, that's so bad resolution. Mining interests, and it's called the attention of Professor Agassiz. How do you say that? I don't know.

Agassiz. Agassiz. To a remarkable discovery made by him, he found in Mexico a cave containing some 200 skeletons of men, each above eight feet in height. The cave was evidently the burial place of a race of giants who... Antedated? Antedated? I don't know what that means.

Predated the Aztecs. Oh, wow, I've never heard that word. Antedated the Aztecs. Mr. Clapp arranged the bones of one of these skeletons and found the total length to be 8 foot 11 inches. The femur reached up to his thigh, and the molars were big enough to crack a coconut. The head measured 18 inches from front to back.

And this is, like, what year is this? The New York Times. 1908. Wow. So there's a ton of newspaper articles from all around the country, all these little tiny gazettes. But why would they destroy it? I just, it's another one of those things.

Look at that, there's a couple of them. Look at that. Giant skeletons found Los Angeles. Strange skeletons found Madison, Wisconsin. Georgia. You're going to find it all over the whole country and all around the world. So, but why would they hide that?

I don't know. That's the thing that really boggles my mind. It's like, why would they? 18 feet tall. Look at that one. Austin, Texas. Austin, Texas. See?

Austin. They're tripping on peyote, man. If the report of the fossilized skeleton of a giant 18 feet tall has been found near Seymour, Texas is true. It is the most important ethnological discovery ever made in the world, remarked Dr. J.E. Pierce, professor of anthropology at the University of Texas. I bet he probably said that with the most mocking tone ever. Do you understand that it would be the most important ethnological discovery ever made in the world? Look how big he was. But here's the question for all this.

So this is a newspaper article from Austin, Texas. Austin, Texas newspaper article from way back in the old days. Yeah. Why would they print that? Why would they print that? And it's all over the country. There's newspaper articles just like this all around the entire country of farmers digging up bones. That's a good question.

Look at this. This is a 12-foot tall guy. guy well it could be that it was real or it could be that it became a myth that just gets repurposed and like a lot of things like the moth man or a lot of these things like people believe they're seeing you hear about it and then you claim you see it and then it goes on and on and on. Want to watch a video? Want to watch a video of a giant? A real giant? A real giant.

How big is he? Probably 15, 16 feet tall. What? Look up a Japanese parade giant. If you do those three words, it shows you. Is it an actual giant human? It's a Japanese film from before World War II. And he's 15 feet tall?

He's got 12 or 15 feet tall. Holy shit. If you look at the video, it's a video. It's a live video. You see the dude walking around. What? Just a huge guy. Imagine if they just died off.

It was too hard to get food. Or imagine if we went to war with them. How would we win? Technology. Really? What kind of technology war with them. How would we win? Technology. Really? What kind of technology do we have when the giants were around? We're fighting like third generation warfare and the giants are still stuck in first generation warfare. Well, here's the thing.

If that younger drug. There you go. What? Is that real? Yeah. I don't think so. No, that's not real. That is so not real. That's so

CGI. You back up. That's a fake video. If you back up and watch the guy walk. Look how he's standing. That's not real. Look at his neck and everything. Hey, it looks weird. Yeah, it looks like horseshit. Yes. I would love to see that film now. Doesn't it, Jamie? This looks like someone was practicing making this. Yeah, it looks like someone put a CGI.

Even the way the thing's moving, it's so rigid. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is fake. It took some old footage and added some stuff into it. Yeah, that's what they did. They spliced that in there. I want to see a full analysis, though. Because this is one of the videos that's been around.

Next time you have a question like this, you bring it to us. You can't be running around believing this shit. Okay, so I gotta give up that one? So there's no giants? I think there's no giants. I think the Bigfoot one is probably if you go back to that Younger Dryas

impact theory, that apparently they think that could be what was the cause of mass extinction of an enormous number of the megafauna on North America in particular. It all happened around that time period. And they think if that was a real animal and it existed at one point in time and it coexisted with people, it could have died off just like the mammoth did, a lot of other animals did during that time period. The larger. Sabertooth tigers. They all died off around then. Yeah.

Yeah. They don't know why those things all died off. Like there's a bunch of different theories, but one of them is that Younger Giants Impact Theory. It's a very good one. Because we know things get hit by asteroids. It's not outside of the realm of possibility. We know it happens all the time.

And they actually have that, speaking of like patterns of astrology, astronomy rather, they know where when Earth passes through this area where there's a lot of comets, and it coincides with the Younger Dryas impact theory, they think it happened a couple of times, not just once. They think a couple thousand years apart too. They think it probably happened somewhere around 12,

and I think they think it might have happened again around 10,000 years ago. And every time that happened, I guarantee you, if there's enough of that nuclear glass that they find and enough iridium, which exists when they do the core samples, and they get to that time time there's enough to indicate impacts Something and any impact is gonna leave a lot of iridium and of course it was probably a fucking doozy It's a huge doozy so you gotta wonder like how smart were they before that like how did they make the pyramids? How did it's like they left behind?

Such undeniable achievement so you you can't dismiss it you can't dismiss the possibility that they might have had a civilization even more advanced than we are today which is so weird because we don't want to believe that we want to believe there's no way people 5 000 years ago were fucking smarter than us no way but i mean i do believe it maybe they fucking were man maybe they figured something out and i wonder what what that it would be like what could make them Able to do something like the pyramid like the Great Pyramid of Giza two million three hundred thousand stones Some of them from a quarry that was hundreds of miles away like they put together something. That's so nuts That even thousands and thousands of years later, you

walk by it and you go, what the fuck? How did they do this? How did you do this? How did you do it so good too? There's stuff like that all over the earth. All over the earth. And you walk up to it and you go, how did they do this? Thousands of years ago.

The Acropolis and the Parthenon. Like the Parthenon is the bottom one, right? Isn't that the bottom one? The Acropolis is the building. The Acropolis is the big one. So they just say that that the building it sits in the parthenon so they they just say that that was already there like the parthenon the the part that it's built on you ever see how fucking big those stones are freaking huge and it was just there so when the greeks built the acropolis that shit was already there they built it on top and everything's all square

it's all perfect it's so big go to the the giant stones of the Parthenon. Just Google that. Because they're so big, you just go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What year was this? When did they do this? They did it with horses and wagons. Where did you get the rock? What the fuck is going on here?

It's so big. And they literally give no explanation as to how it was made. big and they literally give no explanation as to how it was made like see if you can see is there any images that show like the sides of it where you can get it as huge you there's some some images that show though yeah okay that's a good one like what is that look how big those rocks are like what did you do how did you do that who did that Hercules went like oh there's a good example there's a good example like are you out of your fucking mind like what is that is that a spaceship launchpad I mean look at the size of those stones man imagine if that's what

it was it's like at one point in time we had spaceships. How cool would that be? Pretty fucking cool. What are your thoughts on aliens? Do you think they're watching us? Do you think they'll step in? God, aliens.

I don't think they're from space. I think they're from the ocean. Really? Yeah. Well, there's definitely been some of those what they call transmedium crafts that have been observed. Yeah. I'm there's definitely been some of those what they call transmedium crafts that have been observed.

Yeah. I'm friends with Jeremy Corbell, and he makes these documentaries on UFOs. Yeah. He did this amazing one on Bob Lazar. And they send him footage because they know that he's like the main UFO guy. And he'll study it and understand it. And he releases it and tells people where it came from. That's cool.

But I'm always like, how do you know that someone's not fucking with you? Yeah, there's something going on. But the ocean, I just... There's something going on, man. That's so deep. A lot of people have seen things come out of the ocean. A lot of people have. Including that Tic Tac. That experience that Commander David Fravor had that was off the coast of

San Diego in 2004. Did you ever hear about this story? I didn't hear that one. Commander David Fravor, he's a naval pilot, rock solid, just everything about him. You believe every word out of his mouth. Never had an outrageous day in his life that you know was like like this Yeah, and then one day he has this thing that they see that's hovering over something that's in the ocean So something is in the ocean below the surface whether it's like it looks like the size of an aircraft carrier or something

And there's something above it that is this thing that's shaped like a tic-tac And I think they said it was like how big was that thing it's like 20 feet long so it wasn't that big wasn't that big whatever this thing is they tracked it on radar going from 50 000 feet above sea level to 50 in less than a second jeez they don't know what happened that's not they tracked it with, they got video of this thing, and they had eye contact by two different jets that saw this thing, and they were communicating about it, and they were discussing it, and he's talked about it. That's cool.

And then whatever that thing was jammed their radar, or actively jammed their tracking, which is technically supposedly an act of war. That's what they say. And then it immediately vanished at this insane rate of speed and went directly to their cat point. So it knew where they were supposed to go later in their journey. Yeah, that's cool.

Like it knew. Damn. Which is fucking nuts. And the people that were tracking it and the ship said, hey, we found it again. It's at your cat point. And they're like, what the fuck? I want to watch that.

And there's a video of the thing taking off. They don't know what it is, though. Like, what is that? Is that a drone? Is that from another planet? Is that something we have? Are we practicing with those things? But you're open-minded enough to look at it and wonder, what is that?

I want it to be an alien. You don't automatically shut down and go, well, that's just fake or whatever. No, but I want it to be an alien. That's the problem. The reason why I'm so critical about these things is because I want them to be real. If they came from under the ocean, wouldn't they still be aliens? Not good enough. It has to be out there somewhere?

No, it would be cool. It would definitely be cool, but there's levels of cool. So there's Aquaman level cool, pretty fucking cool. But then there's a Silver Surfer cool, cooler than Aquaman. Silver Surfer is definitely cooler. Silver Surfer is cooler than Aquaman level cool pretty fucking cool but then there's a Silver Surfer cool cooler than Aquaman Silver Surfer is definitely cooler Silver Surfer is cooler than Aquaman no disrespect

I'm a big Jason Momoa fan I think he was the best Conan ever he was pretty cool he was the best Conan it's just the movie wasn't the best but he was the best Conan

he was the most believable Conan he could definitely be Conan yeah because that's what a guy like Conan would look like he wouldn't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger

he was too jacked and he wouldn't have that weird accent either. Yeah, he's all shaved down and, you know, oiled up like he's about to pose. But Momoa was like the most believable. But something coming from space is better than something coming from the ocean.

I don't know. I think if it came from the ocean, it would be like they've been here the whole time. Do you remember that movie, The Abyss? We just won't look. That's a good movie. That was in a movie where they came from the ocean, right? The seals are such jerks. Yeah, why do they do that movie the abyss we just won't look that's a good movie that was a movie where they came from the ocean such jerks uh yeah that was why they do that i don't know

they always made the seals all getting shot for those marines down in that one little hole so i was talking to uh one of the guys that was in that movie a seal team guy who was it it was uh shoot i don't remember but he was talking about that he says what do you think about you know this scene and it was the producer director director talking to the SEAL team guys. Well, it's just total bullshit. We wouldn't be going through this sewer and coming up through here. We wouldn't be doing that. We wouldn't be doing that.

Yeah, but it's for the movie. You have to do it. He says, yeah, but we wouldn't do that. He says, yeah, but it's in the script. You have to do it. He says, yeah, but we think this is bullshit. All the SEALs are pissed that they had to do such bad tactics. Yeah, it's why wouldn't they want it to be accurate?

I don't get it. Like, why would that make it a worse movie? They always make the movies screwed up like that, though. But isn't that like, if you're bringing seals on and you're going to talk to them and there's like a seal thing in the movie, how arrogant are they to disrespect the seals by coming up with shitty tactics that you would never do? You know what I mean? Well, we do screw up sometimes, though. We do some bad tactics once in a while.

I definitely had my mistakes in the SEAL teams. I just think that if you're going to depict something in a film, you don't have to lie about what the thing is to make your story work. The story's good already Yeah, right the abyss is you got aliens in the fucking ocean, you know, and you could have like a bad seal You know, but like you can't have like bad tactics. Yeah, they can't you know, they can't totally gone bonkers It's like you can't you can't just like fake what a thing is because it makes your movie better. That's stupid. It seems like that's all they do, though. That's a big thing.

Well, the arrogance of Hollywood, the arrogance of being able to do that. I always talk about the Mark Schultz movie. You know that movie about that man who killed David Schultz? The DuPont, John DuPont, you know that story? Oh, yeah, yeah. The wrestling movie. Exactly. That was with Chan The wrestling movie. Exactly. That was with Channing Tatum.

Exactly. Yeah. Fox Ketchum. And Ruffalo. Yeah, and Mark Ruffalo. Yeah, Mark Ruffalo was awesome in that movie. Yeah, he's great in everything. I mean, Chan was good in that movie, too.

He was intense. It's a really well-done movie. In that movie. It's a dark movie, though. It's a dark movie. Yeah. But apparently, I don't think it was that accurate. I think there was a lot that they took license with, as well. And one of the reasons why I say this is because there's a fight at, but apparently it was that accurate I think there's a lot that they took license with as well and one of the reasons why I say this is because there's a

Fight at the end of it mark Schultz Who is the brother he had a fight one fight in the UFC and he fought against this guy named big Derry? Big dad Big Daddy Goodrich Gary Goodrich. Yeah, sorry my tongue Big Daddy Goodrich. Gary Goodrich. Yeah. Sorry, my tongue got... Let me sit up there.

Sorry about that, folks. But anyway, Gary Goodrich is a legendary fighter. He's fought in the UFC multiple times. Gary Goodrich, he has one of the most ferocious knockouts in the history of the sport against this guy, Paul Herrera. Paul Herrera takes him down, and he gets him like a fireman's carry and Gary locks him up in a crucifix and blasts him

with elbows. It is a horrendous KO because he hits him like four or five times while he's completely unconscious and Gary is a giant man. Just super jacked. So Gary fought Mark Schultz in the UFC

It's not like another guy like I just owe some random guy. No, it's fucking Gary Goodrich big. He's a legend It's huge so Mark Schultz fought Gary Goodrich in real life, but in the movie fight some Russian guy Like completely fake guy didn't make any sense Why would they do that the historical accuracy was better than the fake? But it's it's like you're faking something that I know make any sense. Why would they do that? The historical accuracy. Was better than the fake. But it's like you're faking something that I know happened. I watched it. Yeah.

Like you're pretending you wrote a whole new thing. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. It makes zero sense. So if you do that, how am I supposed to trust you about all the other shit in that movie? About nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You're just making stuff up to make your movie good. And how messed up was DuPont? Jeez. Oh my God. But he was messed up in real life that was real life yeah yeah it reminds me of like dupont the rockefellers the uh over across the water you know the all those bankers all those guys in those days yeah that's that group i'm talking about is like they had so much power and so much money and so much influence back when our country was still pretty young, you know. Between World War I and World War II, we were a young country. We were barely alive, you know.

It's also like what we were talking about earlier about killing jesters. Yeah. You know, like that guy worked for him, right? Yeah. And he just decided to kill that guy. It's like that kind of. Oh, God, it's exactly like it. It's that kind of.

That's his entertainment. Yeah. decided to kill that guy. It's like that kind of... Oh, God, it's exactly like it. That's his entertainment. Yeah, it's that kind of... Ben Shapiro has a video where he's going over

these people at Davos. You want some coffee? Thanks, man. No problem. Sorry about that, folks. No worries. Ben Shapiro. So in this video...

Cheers. Cheers, man. Great talking to you. It's been a fun time. We haven't even talked about the fun stuff yet. Yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff to talk about. In Ben Shapiro's video, he's talking about how there are certain people that really do believe that because they're wealthy, they know better and they want to just assume control over things and make things work easier.

They really think of themselves as elites. over things and make things work easier. They really think of themselves as elites. It's not, they don't think of it as like, elites like, oh I went to Yale, I went to Harvard. No, I'm better than you. That's what their version of elite is. And it's an interesting phenomenon that human beings seem to acquire

when they get a lot of power. They just, they feel like they should be able to dictate how people do things. It's a weird natural position almost, right? It's 100% natural. I think that's one of the problems we have with military people when we retire because we're so used to that chain of command. We're so used to the authority being vested within my rank. So when I retired as a senior chief, and I found I was doing this even after I retired a lot,

was that because I was a senior chief and because I was like a chief of platoon, you know, or chief of a task unit, so I had these 30 people under me and I was working with them and doing combat and all this other stuff. Everything was very critical. Everything was very time sensitive. And you had to do it right. When I retired, you keep your rank with you, and I think everybody does it to a certain extent. And so because we had that power,

because we had that authority and all that stuff within our rank, within our expertise as a SEAL, doesn't count in a civilian world. And so when I'm speaking to people, sometimes I would make that mistake. I would start becoming that chief again. And I would start talking to them as I was a chief, telling them what to do rather than working out a way to do it. You know what I mean?

I do know what you mean. I think that transition from military to civilian is a really tough one because we can't get rid of that attitude that we know better because I was a chief. Right. I don't always know better. And that was the same reason why I'm so open about the fact that I have all these accounts. I have all this stuff. I want to get the data. I want to read all about these giants.

I want to read about the younger dryers. I want to read about religions and multiple religions, Buddhism, Taoism, Islam. I want as much data as I can so that I can make the right decision. Also, you want to know how other people think too, right? Yeah, 100%. Because we're a weird species, man. Fuck yeah. So weird.

We're just messed up. Some people think so different than you. Yeah. And they're fucking adamant about it. Like when you watch pro-lifers and pro-choice people scream at each other, you're like, wow. Yeah. Like that's one of the best examples of how differently people think whether it's because of ideology or religion or what what causes you to be so

so rock solid and rigid in your principles whether you're right or wrong it's it's a it's a strange thing when they collide with someone who is diametrically opposed to you but equally passionate that they're right and you watch people scream at each other like whoa we're so strange yeah such a weird species and they're gonna fight about that then they made it political the whole that per choice per life all the other stuff is so politicized what's one of those things everything but it's one of those things where you you clearly know by someone's choice whether or not they're on this side or that side. A hundred percent. If someone says I'm pro-life, oh, that's a Republican. He's a Republican. Yeah.

Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. And there's also things like climate change. Like people that are like- That's political too. They believe so much that we're fucked. Those people are almost all Democrats.

Yeah. The people that think everything's going to be okay and that we'll figure it out and it's not nearly as bad as everyone's saying. Those are all Republicans. But if you talk to all the climate change people and you ask them about the younger driest or you ask them about history, historical times that we've had this earth in the ice ages or being bombarded by whatever, we've gone through this before.

It's just different. That's why I think climate change- We have, but it is different. We definitely are fucking it up. We 100% are contributing. We're 100% emitting too much carbon and particulates and coal-powered plants make all the cities around them fucked. We watched this video of this coal-powered area of, was it Indiana?

Was it Indiana? And this one area has a bunch of coal plants around it. And you have like, there's fucking dust on people's cars. It's nasty. It's coal dust. So it's in the air. So you're breathing coal dust. So all these people have all these problems and health problems.

And it's like, get the fuck out of there. Yeah, move. The fuck, and we've got to stop doing that. Whatever you're doing, there's got to be a better way than this. We do have to stop doing it. We have to try to clean up. But you can't clean up at a detriment to the people but the people are down but that one is fucked because the people are actually being poisoned by the fucking air which they need like you don't even get a chance to choose a local area but then

everyone's scared of nuclear but nuclear seems to be one of the only ways where you can generally assume that unless there's a meltdown yeah you're going to get some pretty solid power out of that. It's not nearly as environmentally impactful until it's really empowering. Until it goes really bad. When I was working on the Iron Man project. What is the Iron Man project? It was the Iron Man project. What does that mean?

So we're trying to build the suit. Really? We've been working on it for a long time. I didn't know about this. I was on the beginning Iron Man project. What does that mean? So we're trying to build the suit. Really? We've been working on it for a long time. I didn't know about this. I was on the beginning of the project. It was called Carnivore at first and a few other names. But in the beginning, there was only a small handful of us working on it. What are they using to make the body suit out of?

It's changed so much right now that it's all kinds of materials. I mean, titanium, carbon fiber, all the top stuff. And is it supposed to be able to fly? It's going to do a lot of stuff. Does it have an exoskeleton, so it's stronger? It's exo, yeah. It's much stronger. You can carry 1,000 pounds.

You can do a lot. I've seen that stuff. That stuff's wild. We're getting there, but if you think about that kind of a suit, that exoskeleton, how are you going to move that exoskeleton and those people? So if you had a squad, let's just say you had 12 dudes in those exoskeleton, how are you going to move that exoskeleton, those people? So if you had a squad, let's just say you had 12 dudes in those exoskeletons, what airplane are you going to use? What home views? What vehicles? How are you going to get these guys around? What boats?

It changes everything. They're a thousand pounds. Jesus Christ. So you can only get a couple of those on a plane. Yeah, maybe four. I don't know. But that's one of the issues that we're running into is the fact that if we start going in this direction, we start going to exoskeletons, we have to change everything else. That makes sense. And when we were doing it,

it was like the long pole in a tent for the, you know, and I was on these think tanks, and I was always like the innovator. I was a weird CEO. You already know that, I guess. Well, I guess. We'll get to that part. I was the techie part. So I was very that part. I was a techie for it.

So I was very technical, and I was working a lot of the national laboratories. So all the places that we built, the Manhattan Project, we still have all those facilities all around. And so we still use them. We work with them, and we try to push the envelope for military and civilian use. So there's a lot of things that I was part, you know, innovator, inventor of stuff that's gone to the civilian world. And the Iron Man project was a really cool one. And what are they powering it with? That's the problem was that I'm pulling a tent.

I kept talking to them and I was working with all the national labs, Pacific Northwest and all those guys. And nuclear battery was pretty much the only way you can go. So it'd be a little battery about that big. Bro. We've already had those. I don't even like having a cell phone in my pocket. But we've had those little nuclear batteries since the 50s, so it's no big deal. But those nuclear batteries, like, how dangerous is it for a human being to be around it?

How dangerous is it to be in the military? That's true, too. We'd jump out of an airplane at 30,000 feet. But I would feel like if you wore that thing around, you got horrible bone cancer because of it. Yeah, you get lead shielding

and a bunch of other shielding and stuff. Yeah? Is that what they would do? But the thing is, there's so much power and there's so much everything else.

We were using the hypersonic flywheels and using all this other stuff. We were trying to do energy storage in all kinds of different ways. Is there a way to shield it so that a person can be in direct contact and not receive?

You carry it around in a suitcase. Really? Yeah. Jesus Christ. There's a couple of them. Isn't it funny? Like that's one of the things that we're scared of the most. I have to be careful with some of the stuff I say.

I'm like, I'm constantly going. Are you saying stuff that you're not? You can edit it out if you're saying stuff that's classified. No, the Iron Man is not classified anymore. They've talked about it. I think it's in popular mechanics now. But I think some of the people that worked on it are still classified, and some of the stuff they're doing now is probably classified.

But this is old data. Is that a situation where as new technology comes out, then they revise it? Yeah, constantly. So they're always working on it, but it's not ready. They're always working on it. So it's usable, some of the pieces. Like right now, I mean, my back is just toast.

All the SEAL Team guys, because we carry those large rucksacks and constantly out there jump, you know, free fall and jump and parachute and all that stuff. Our backs are just toast. So what we're trying to do is trying to get it just first as like load carrying. And so they made it. And that was one of my biggest pushes in the beginning of Ironman was I said we need to build everything as non-energy consumption. Everything has to be pneumatic or springs or somehow using our body to propel everything. Because if this whole thing shuts down, the battery turns off, you have to still be able to move a little bit at least to be able to get over from here to cover over there so you don't get you still have to be able to move it so it's a thousand pounds how do you move that

thing right there's no power how would you is that possible like where the direction they went in was the direction i didn't want to go was you can't now you can't it's you're gonna be stuck so the power goes off you're frozen you there. You're just, yeah. Oh, my God. It's big. Imagine if you were in the middle of some sort of an operation and there was a solar flare. Yeah.

And the solar flare nukes all the electricity. Or EMP or something. Yeah. You're screwed. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Jesus Christ.

That's where we're going now. 1,000 pounds. I mean, how the fuck could you move it? How could you if you're stuck in a 1,000-pound robot? You're done. That's what it looks like right now? Yeah, so these things are still tethered, a lot of those. Okay, so that is the exoskeleton goes down his legs,

and that's those things on his legs? Yeah, but that's even way newer. That's CGI. I don't know if that's a real one. But it's pretty much like that. It attaches here around your waist, and it kind of works off your hips. So this is one right here. And so you see he's got this.

So he's got it on his legs right there. So that's a regular one with no power. So that's an unpowered one. So inside of these little things on his legs and up around his waist, it might be slightly powered, but those things on his legs and they'll have up there will be like a piston. Really? And then that will be,

as you're moving your leg, it all works off your own kinetics, you know? It's all off of my kinetics. And it helps you move. Yeah. And it can carry large weights.

So you can go faster and carry a lot more weight. Why don't I have one of those in my life? I need to buy one of those. Paralyzed people, they've got... Run up hills.

They work with paralyzed people? Yeah, they have people that were paralyzed and they can attach all this stuff to them, and they can walk around and do it. So this one is powered. And see the way he's got a thing on his heels like that?

Yeah. That was a big thing, because when you step, your feet pivot somewhat. So you have to watch these things and where you put it and how it goes. There's so much to this thing. You would not believe it. It's wild. There's a lot of technology in that right there alone. And so ultimately, they want it where it covers your body like an Iron Man?

It'll be a lot more. That's the ultimate would be when you start putting armor and everything on it. So you can see that guy right there. What is that? That's a little bit more. Yo. That's more like it. And so that's all lightweight stuff.

Hobo cop shit. Yeah. That's wild. And so that's the direction we're going in. But you can see even that guy right there, he's going to have a hard time getting out of vehicles and doing a lot of stuff. So as you keep adding this stuff on there, we get bigger and bigger. Look how big that guy is. He'd have a real tough time getting inside of any vehicles.

Yeah, he definitely is not driving anywhere. So that's what the pros and cons. It's like, yeah, we have all this, we have that, but now we have to redo the vehicles. We've got to do this. There's a lot to it. Oh, that might be. If you look up carnivore, it might show up the first one. How far do you think they are from developing autonomous robots that replace people anyway in these situations?

Think so? With weapons? The stuff I was working on 10 and 15, 20 years ago and how fast we were advancing back then. 20 years ago and how fast we're advancing back then. So I would walk into a place and it would be a chip manufacturer for us to do our sneaky peaky bugs and stuff. And I would show them and say, hey, this is what we're working with right now. And we would give them $3 million, make it half that size. And it's all we would do is say, here's $3 million, half the size.

And then within six months, I'd give it to us, here, half the size. And so when we were doing it, and for my budget, I think I had like $60 million. And it's huge budgets when you get to the top levels of the seals. And we really push it. And we're constantly pushing these envelopes of technology. And so you can kind of see, like even when I was there, I know the sizes. And I know that you can have a chip, and you have a chip inside of a chip, and a chip and a chip and a chip.

So you can go all these layers, this stuff you start digging and then every time you have the chip there's a lot of subroutines sub programs and everything else you can put into them there's it's just mind-blowing how advanced we are so if you when you say do we have autonomous right now we have airplanes vehicles we have all of it already. Wow. We're fully capable right now to go almost autonomous in warfare. That's crazy. Do you think they'll develop like a humanoid type robot? Or do you think they'll keep everything to that, you know, they have that sort of dog shape one that you see, the four-legged one? Yeah, yeah. It seems like that would maybe have some advantages in terms of maneuverability with the four legs.

Yeah, with carrying those heavy loads. And those are just mules. So those are only going to bring us equipment back and forth. You don't think they'll use those to shoot guns? Oh, yeah, yeah. We already have guns on those. Really? They're already gunned up.

Jesus. They probably won't show a lot of the guns on those things. And so when you would operate that, you could operate that remotely and just be connected by satellite or something like that? By whatever connection you can, yeah. Satellite or even long range, you know, HF. But you hook it up and you have your eye reticle, and then that's directly eye reticle with the sight and everything in it

to the robot with the gun on it. So wherever I'm looking at, the gun is going. So I can look and I can see what he's looking at, I can see what I'm looking at, and then put them both over each other and then take my shots from the robot or myself oh my god at whatever target they always would talk about that in video games that that was eventually going to replace your mouse cursor it was going to be your eyes and then like it's somehow another focuses so like if you think if you're playing a game and you have triggers in your fingers and you're like in the first person shooter like quake or

something like that if you're aiming with your actual eyes wouldn't that be way better and you're like in a first-person shooter like quake or something like that if you're aiming with your actual eyes wouldn't that be way better and Saw the cursor move, but maybe you get a fucking horrible head Your neck would probably be killing you right well You know they're doing this all the time you know I would freak the fuck out wouldn't it Jamie doesn't that make sense If you if you play the video game, and you're you were using your head as the cursor So that's this guy's doing? Oh, my God. This is amazing.

So just stick that on a robot. There's a guy. Oh, my God. This is amazing. So what we're looking at is a man in a cockpit, and as he moves his head up and down, the gun below moves exactly where his vision is. That's wild. So here's how our Marine Corps guy almost killed an entire SEAL team platoon. Oh, no.

So he was flying up there, and he was in a Harrier. I think it was a fast mover. But they also have stuff like this. I'm pretty sure it was a Harrier. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it was a Harrier, but he had it hooked up to his helmet like that, and he also had to press to talk to us. And so we're on the ground, and he's flying past us like this.

We're all down here, and he's looking down through his cockpit window. And the gun is pointing down. He didn't hit. Yeah, he's looking right at us with his gun. No. Instead of pushing to push the top, he hit the trigger and started blasting at us. That was one of the big guns. That was bigger than that.

No. It was a Vulcan. It was a big gun. Holy shit. He just started blasting at us. Oh, my God. They're always at the wingman. The wingman, dude's flying like this, shooting at us.

The guy up here is going Winchester, Winchester He was yelling Winchester is out And the guy was going Oh fuck And everybody started freaking out We're down there

Just trying to get away But yeah it was pretty bad It was hairy How many rounds did he let off? At like 8 or 10 Not that many But it was like Go, go, go, go

Not that many And we're like Oh man Oh my god And then they kind of owed us So there was a video out there somewhere Because then they owed us Because we're like, oh, man. Oh, my God. And then they kind of owed us. So there's a video out there somewhere because then they owed us because we were like, we knew what happened because we heard the guy yelling Winchester because we had the comms and everything. We're like, oh, fuck. And so we told him, we said, hey, that Winchester, can you guys do a real low level flyby for us?

Help us out a little bit. And they were like, OK. And so those guys went, I swear to God, man, they were 20 feet off the deck. These guys were almost breaking the speed of sound, like just barely off the deck. And dudes, like when they went by, it was like throwing us down.

It moved us. It was like throwing guys to the ground because they were so low. We were like, yeah. We were like, okay, we'll forgive that. He didn't kill anybody and he gave us like nice flyby. Glad he didn't kill anybody. Holy shit.

It was nuts. But yeah, Robos, it's easy. Right after September 11th, I was working in, where the fuck is it? Palmdale. We're working in Palmdale, filming Fear Factor. And that's near, I think it's Edwards is out in that direction. Edwards Air Force Base.

Yeah. And they were flying. Oh, just up from LA? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And they had stealth bombers that were flying overhead. I was like, holy shit. Those things are so big.

When you see one of those, you're like, that's from another planet. There's no way that's ours. It seems so much like a UFO. It's also so big. Yeah. And it looks like it's going slow. Yeah. It's so big. You're like, it looks like it's going like this. It seems so much like a UFO. It's also so big, and it looks like it's going slow. Because it's so big, you're like, it looks like it's going like this. It's just hovering.

You're like, no, that thing is still going like 400 miles an hour, but it's so big, it doesn't look like it moves. It looks so much like a spaceship. It was one of those, and it was another different one that's like a dark- colored one that they use to avoid radar. I don't know. How many of them do they have that do that? How many different jets do they have that look like a stealth bomber? I don't know. I think there's only like three or four.

There's not that many. We saw, I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, we saw two. It's a long time ago. My memory sucks about this. But I do remember seeing the the stealth bomber flying going i feel like this is star wars yeah i feel like this is we have a boat built like that too really yeah and does it do the same thing that's it it's similar that's the one we saw i think we have like three of them kind of similar built like that what the fuck man look at that thing that

does not look like it's from this world it's pretty cool so cool amer? Look at that thing. That does not look like it's from this world. It's pretty cool. So cool. America. Look at that thing. That's incredible. Wow. Look at that, though.

China, Russia could make U.S. stealth tech obsolete. God damn it. Well, there's another example of how stupid we are as Americans. So that airplane right there costs, what, how many billions of dollars? And it becomes obsolete so fast. Then we're building all these super carriers. Yeah, but is that that we're stupid or is that just what happens? Isn't that what happens?

I mean, as technology advances, though? But I think it's a failure about how the American mind works. We want this really big stuff that can carry really big stuff, and it's super expensive. It is one. Look at that one. Holy shit. All of our super carriers, SR-71, our super carriers like the, what is that new one, the Carter?

And they cost billions and billions, trillion dollars and the Chinese have the hypersonic carrier busters. And so we build this thing for trillion dollars and then the Chinese build a hypersonic carrier killer for $100,000. They shoot 10 of those at us for a million bucks.

They just destroyed a trillion-dollar carrier with $100,000. Well, isn't that just how technology works, though? They're always coming up with better and better solutions. We keep going bigger, though, and bigger isn't always better. We could have done— But it's a battle, right? They don't know that until they do it. And then someone comes up with a better thing.

And then they have to come up with a better thing than the better thing. Like, make it smaller. Make it half. Half this size. That's the same thing. I want the swarm technology. Yeah, but what they're trying to do is admirable. I mean, they're trying to make a fucking spaceship.

You know, if someone makes a better spaceship, you're like, okay, well, we'll come up with another spaceship. Let's get off a better one. I mean, if someone makes a better spaceship, you're like, okay, well, we'll come up with another spaceship. Let's get off a better one. I mean, that's how it gets there. It doesn't get there like they just sit in a lab and think about it and come up with all the possible counters to this. And so they get paralyzed by analysis. But what's more effective, a SEAL team platoon or a battalion of regular 11 Bravo army dudes? I would imagine the SEAL team is more effective.

And the same thing with the giant carriers. The giant carrier or let's have 10 smaller ones. Or have both. We're America, God damn it. We should have all that shit. I wish. But then if we start voting on the money. We have our own Space Force.

Don't we? Yeah, kind of. Jocko, run for president, please. Please, Jocko. Jocko and Tulsi Gabbard could fucking win. They got together. Tulsi is really doing some good stuff. Jocko and Tulsi Gabbard could become president and vice president, 100%.

I don't know in that order what order it would be. I don't know if Jocko's into politics, though. I don't know if he is either. I don't think he is. That's some sensibility. I went through training with J into politics. I don't know if he is either what we need. I think he is Some sensibility I want to be training with Chaka I got some history with him. He's amazing. Yeah When done some good stuff when did you? Know that you are a woman like when in your mind. Did you know Oh God? Did you know when you were young?

Yeah, yeah, like how young like for as long as you remember yeah pretty much earliest memories like what did it feel like what felt different because this is in a time where it wasn't generally accepted or even discussed it's the early 70s right it's like there's nothing and that's what was so confusing to me was that i did was thinking differently. I would always look at everything and I would say, you know, that's kind of what I think like more like that. Or my sisters, I would see those sisters and I would see my brother and I'd be like, that's more like me. And I couldn't do anything like them.

Otherwise, my football coach, religious father had a real problem with it so i would always just hide it so i mean it was always there it was like a and the thing is like that's got to be part of the conversation would be like when you said when i think i was a woman so it wasn't i know that a lot of stuff i'm going to talk about on here a lot of people are going to get angry and i know a lot of people aren't going to believe me or they're going to say that's wrong or that's that. And I like that. That's cool. I don't mind. Please argue with me. Tell me I'm wrong. You know, I want to know something better. I want to know the truth. And I don't know. I don't know what this is about. I do know that humans are strange and I know that things are different. It's not always as cut and dry as we say.

Right. But there is biology and you can't deny biology. And so I am a genetic male. If I go to a hospital and there's something bad wrong with me and they got to take blood or do anything, they have to work off of a male template or a male foundational data. You know what I mean? Yes. So you can't deny that. And that's one of the biggest problems I see right now is that a lot of people are denying the genetics of it. And you have to admit that men and women are different genetically. Men and women are different in biological ways. Many. I think more people. Chemical strength, bone density, so much

stuff. More people would be on board if that was on the table for discussion. But it doesn't seem like it is on the table for discussion. It's not. And that's why I told you a lot of people are going to hate me. I'm going to get so much hate mail from this conversation. Just don't read it. Because I'm being truthful. Yeah.

And I'm saying if half those people would just start telling the truth, then we'd be a lot better off. When you see something like the Leah Thomas thing like this the swimmer when you see her winning all these these competitions as a male as a female but then as a male being like number 462 yeah like does that seem fair to you like what is your answer that question I'll ask you a question okay if I was fighting in UFC right now as a woman, would I win? I don't know. You're in good shape. Who are you fighting?

Is there a punching bag around here? Yeah, there's one in the other room. I can still do damage. Okay. I believe you. I was trained, and I had a lot of fight training when I was in the SEALs. Like, I'm not—like, if I fought men's UFC, they'd kick my ass, like, in two seconds. If I fought men's UFC, they'd kick my ass in two seconds.

But if I fought UFC women, I would probably win half the rounds right now without no training. And I'm cold right now. I haven't had training in a while. But if I did train up, I would be a champion in a women's division. That's a problem. But that's a problem also like what weight? What weight are you? 180.

Yeah, there's no women that are 180. There's not even a women's division. The biggest is, I think, the PFL is a woman's 155. So shoot, I would be a champion already. Yeah, there'd be no one in your division. But I just don't think it's right. No, it's not right. And I think that we're denying biology.

We're denying chemistry, endocrinology. We're denying all of it. I don't mind it if it's voluntary. Yeah. Just like they're, you know, you know who Jermaine Durandamy is? No. Multiple time world Muay Thai champion. She was UFC featherweight champion at one point in time. She would kick me out.

She's a fucking assassin. But that was the point. She fought a dude. She had a, I think it was a kickboxing match, I think, with a dude. It might have been a boxing match, but either way, she flatlined a dude with a straight right. She's a fucking straight killer. She's a straight killer.

I would never want to tell Jermaine Durand to me that she can't fight that guy. She can do whatever the fuck she wants. She's a badass. She wants to take the... Just like I feel like you should be able to ride a bull. You want to ride a bull? Go ahead, ride a bull. I don't think you should. I tell you if you're my friend why what kind of thrill you're gonna get out of this You could fucking die there. So here's this dude is swinging hard on Jermaine, right?

Oh, so it's a boxing match clearly they have shoes on and he's really trying to take her out boom She cracks him. Yeah, so this watch that again because this dude is quick T and off on that right? She look at her. She's just she's trying to fire back. But look at this. Hey, look at off on her, right? Look at her. She's trying to fire back, but look at this. Boom! Look at that right hand. Her straight right is a goddamn piston. She's a killer. She flatlined that dude.

That's hilarious. That was awesome. I mean, so I'm 100% for that, but what I'm not for is us pretending. I'm not for us pretending that someone who's a biological male doesn't have advantages especially when we're really blurring the lines of like how long do you have to be identify as a female for like how much how long what how much hormones do you have to take have there been like we

don't know and what's the how much different people will talk about outliers there are outliers that is it a lot of outliers. That is a good conversation because there are people like Roy Jones Jr. in his prime who is an outlier. He was so fast. He had such advantages over the average person just by nature of being born Roy Jones Jr. But we accept that in the spectrum of males. of males. Yeah. But the difference between what you're saying is that the spectrum of males where you, as a person who's not really training, would not be competitive against the males, you

still would be against the females. Yeah. Because it crosses over where it puts you in like a journeyman female pro fighter level. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the rest of the conversation of what I really believe is with Leah Thompson. Leah Thomas.

Leah Thomas. Yeah. So in NCAA and in swimming in NCAA, they have a committee. They have rules. The NCAA has rules for everything, all sports. And pretty much every sport you can think of has a committee or some type of thing. The Olympics has a committee. Yeah.

Everybody has rules. And so if you're talking about competition and you have a rule book, and if that rule allows Leia to compete, then why are you complaining? Well, because you have been a biological woman in your whole life. You've worked really hard to get to a position where you get a scholarship and you get a scholarship based on swimming and you want to have an amazing academic career and you keep showing up second place To a biological man and you think that in your mind you should be number one because against other women Yeah, you have dedicated yourself more you put in more time. You're more focused, but you can't get over that hump of the

XY chromosome Biological male who's dominant, but there's rules in the book chromosome biological male who's dominant. But there's rules in the book. So the rules need to change. Right, but the flesh is why those rules there. So they need to work on the rules. The rules are there because we want to affirm someone's identity in every possible way. We want to affirm them by calling them a woman.

We don't want to detonate them. We don't want to ever question what they are. But by doing that, we've gone into Narnia. We've gone into this land where we're kind of pretending that there's not advantages yeah because no you're a woman you say you're a woman you're a woman so you could have a penis you could have functioning testicles you can still be a woman yeah like that's the reality of like we saw what happened in prison when they put that biological male in women's prison he impregnated two of the inmates slinging dick literally as a

woman in a woman's prison it's like we've got that's Narnia okay now we're in fantasy land. Something's gotta give. We need to get back to... But it seems like we have to get to that level before we're willing to give but I think it's again it's one of those things where it becomes like people get ideological about what you accept and what you don't accept I feel like personally we should accept anything that doesn't hurt other people Yeah, like it's what you're doing what whatever you say you will if that makes you feel better. I'm with you Yeah, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Why would anybody care? I don't care at all Yeah, I just don't want you to use that as an advantage

Against other people and not admit that it's an advantage, especially in fighting. And fighting, that's one that really bothers me. Power sports. It's not just a power sport. It's like the size of your hands is so goddamn important in terms of how hard you can hit. It's so important. If you look at the big strikers, like no one has tiny hands. They all have, like Mike Tyson has fucking mallets. George Foreman had some of the biggest fucking, they were like canned hands.

They were huge hands. You don't grow that if you live your life as a woman and then transition to male. It doesn't work that way. Or if you are just biologically female your whole life. But if you're a biological male and you're built like Brock Lesnar, and then you decide to transition,

there is not a woman alive that can stop you. Can't compete. They don't exist, they never will exist. They never will exist. If you want to talk about outliers, Brock Lesnar as a woman is the outlier of all outliers, and it's too crazy. You can't, it's not, it's never gonna be fair.

Impossible to be fair. Well, you just said one of the words that I always talk about also is I want to talk about equality, which is what we're talking about. Hey, everybody compete, you're not hurting anybody. Equality, but you also have to look at fairness. So what would you do?

So let's be as equal as we can, let everybody compete as much as we can, at the same time be fair. Yes. How do you do that? It's hard. You know, there was a Thailand... Nobody wants to talk about it though. Nobody wants time be fair. Yes. How do you do that? It's hard. You know, there was a Thailand Muay Thai fighter. Nobody wants to talk about it, though.

Nobody wants to be honest. But you do, and I do. So we're going to do this, Kristen. We're going to work this out. There was a Muay Thai fighter in Thailand, and he started off his career as a he and then transitioned to be a she. And then when she transitioned to be a she,

she decided to get the full operation, and when she got the full operation, she lost all of her testosterone, and she started losing. Yeah. But she still was fighting men. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, which is really wild.

That's got to be. So she went from being this elite assassin kickboxer to all of a sudden the testosterone's completely cut off, but continues to engage in fighting because it's what she's good at, and is just getting wrecked by dudes, unfortunately. It changes the whole game. It changes a lot. So it does change something, right?

Oh, yeah. So we know it does. But does it change enough to compete against women? That's the question, especially when it comes to fighting. I think as long as you're above board with it and you tell the woman just like I'm in favor of Jermaine Durandamay's fight I'm I'm and you do whatever you want to do. Yeah, I'm in favor of that but if you want to talk about things like NCAA sports or the Olympics or like We're in a fucking weird area here kids. You're you're denying science now because you're denying the competition

Yeah, it's not just high. There's yeah's you're crushing someone's dreams in a way that like if you let's imagine this if you're a wrestler and you're an elite wrestler at 134 pounds and you're a fucking assassin you're out there pinning people and you're going undefeated you become NCAA Division one national champion and then you go to the Olympics and they decide we're not going to have weight classes anymore. Because we're body positive. We can't be using the scale. We're body positive.

Everybody competes against everybody. Well, now you have to go against Corellon. So here you are, some 134-pound, really elite wrestler who should be an Olympic gold medalist, and you're going to get your spine snapped in half. Yeah, by a 220-pound monster. On spine snapped in half. By a 220 pound monster. On his lightest day. On his lightest day. There's a

fucking photo of Carellon that I posted on my Instagram. I go every now and then I look at this photo just to remind myself of what a pussy I am. And it's Carellon where he's got his arms wrapped around some guy's waist and he's hoisted him up and it's a black and white photo and he has the most maniacal look in his eyes

It's fucking incredible because he was just a destroyer of men when Karelin was wrestling Look at that photo. Look at that fucking photo Get some I mean that is get some in physical form that is gets we need a giant Metal you got an image of that Jamie. We need one ofum. We need a giant metal image of that, Jamie. We need one of those. We need that Corellon photo. Please get that. A giant metal print.

Order a print. Got it, Jamie? That's badass. Doesn't that scare the shit out of you? He scares the shit out of me. Because that's like a fucking 260-pound man. Take the most badass woman, Andy, that ever lived on Earth lived on earth ever lived and then have her go against him? Yeah, all he has to do is just identify as a woman. Well, good luck

But if you if you ever watched him wrestle now Well, you need to watch this because what he would he was so fucking strong that guys would flatten out on the ground to try to Lay down and spread themselves out to keep him from hoisting them up in the air Yeah On the ground to try to lay down and spread themselves out to keep him from hoisting them up in the air Yeah And he would just pick them up watch he would do and he would do it over and over and over again watch you would hoist them up in the air and Smash them and he kept doing it over and over again So you'd go down and he would pick you up in the air again and just watch this look at this fucking

Everybody went for he just hit you with the earth He was playing a totally different game. His game was smash you into the ground. Until you give up. Your game was wrestling. His game is I'm so much bigger than you that I'm going to fucking smash you. I'm going to hit you. He's playing a different combat sport. It's a whole different thing.

It's impact. And look at it. Everybody would flatten out. They would flatten out to try to avoid being thrown like a fucking bag of potatoes man he was just pick people up he was so strong look at this and this guy's huge the guys do it too but this is what he did 250 pound dude and watch this he just hoist you boom I think I just like notice he just laid there he didn't even try to get up because he's probably dizzy and he did it to everybody boom on your fucking head boom everybody got thrown and he just had pure dominance he was so

athletic and so strong and you know he had small parents wow they called him the experiment that's what they called the russians called him like i don't know what they did they were doing something but if you looked at his parents, his parents were like regular-sized folks. And they had this giant-ass baby that looks like he's from another planet. That's the best. Have you met a lot of Russian dudes? Oh, yeah. Just like regular people?

Oh, so many. Me too. I like those guys. I love Russians. Every time I hang out with the Russians, it's like, dude, you guys are good people. There's so many Russian fighters in the UFC. So many guys from Dagestan. So many guys from Russia.

So many guys from St. Petersburg. There's a bunch of guys that came from there. I mean, you want to talk about a part of the world that produces some incredible fighters. Like Fedor Emelianenko, one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Human to human, every one of them Russians I ever met was good folks. The government is messed up. I think we can say the same thing about our government.

Yes, 100%. If you meet Americans just one-on-one, you're going to like almost every one of us. Yeah. Our government's messed up. And also, if we had the right attitude that we're really just a community, and if Republicans met Democrats

just in a regular setting, we could sit down and have a meal together. People could have like normal conversations and that's how we should be. Supposed to be. Yeah, the polarization is largely unnecessary. There's things that we disagree on, but the way that we approach those things

is like our side has to win and your side is full of shit, like your side has no point. Like they both kind of have points and I can see the merits of both arguments on almost all issues. They're both full of shit and they both kind of have points. And I can see the merits of both arguments on almost all issues. They're both full of shit and they both have good points. Yes. And they're both being co-opted by giant businesses. And you're pretending you're not. You said something earlier about

getting rid of the parties. And I have like a different approach to it. And I said, if we want to fix the polarization in America right now, we could fix it. All of us individuals, the people, we could fix all this polarization within one election cycle if every American citizen registered as an independent. Whoa. Think about what would happen. Yeah, but there's some people that are cultists. Oh, yeah. Those far left, far right. You're never going to get those guys. But if you can get most of the Americans to register independent, that means that the Democrats and Republican parties could not count on your vote. So they would lose their permanent base.

It would all have to compete. So they couldn't be as extreme as they are because you would lose all those independents. Yeah. So you'd have to kind of like be more careful about what you say and what your policies are. Because most of the promises everyone in politicians made during all their elections they don't really do them they do all this extreme stuff and all this extreme language and then to get their vote from their party then as soon as they get in there to go middle you know what it's like it's like you remember charlie brown lucy always used to pretend that she's going to hold that football right when charlie brown goes to kick it she yanks it away yeah

that's american politics that's american politics. That's American politics. We're a bunch of Charlie Browns. We're suckers. We're such suckers. We just go to kick that fucking ball. Did you ever think about going independent, though? What I was talking about? Yeah, I mean, I voted the last two elections, I voted Libertarian.

I voted Libertarian and very mixed. And it wasn't that I thought the Libertarian had a chance to win. It was just like, what are we doing? I couldn't vote for them. I couldn't vote. There's so much of it that I was like, what are we doing? Like, these are our choices? And like, no one's saying anything

that resonates with the way I feel the world is. We have real problems in this country, but we always have money for other countries. I'm not saying we shouldn't help Ukraine. We most certainly should help Ukraine, right? They're being attacked.

But where's the money to help the inner cities? Where's the money to help these fucked up communities that have been this way since the Civil War? Where's the money to fix the education system? Where's the money just to put some protection in these schools? How about the single point entry and having one armed guard? Young kids crippled by these fucking student loans that didn't know what they were doing. I was reading some article about this lady that's $250,000 in debt.

Jeez. Yeah. She'll never pay that off. It's nuts. That's crazy. It's like there's a lot of people like that out there that are crippled by student debt. Like should we really like saddle them down with that when they're 18?

They don't even understand the concept of time. And they can't even use those degrees. You know, there's people that are 65 years old that are getting Social Security, and their Social Security is getting docked because they owe money for student loans. Student loans are the only loans you always owe, no matter what. Even if you go bankrupt. If you go bankrupt, you have a lot of credit card debt that goes away.

Kristen, go bye-bye. You have more debt. And it was all for freaking bullshit. Yeah. You could do that with those decisions. A business can go under. You can go away. The business went under. What am I going to do?

I can't. I don't have anything anymore. Sorry, guys. Can't pay you. How many times do those big companies do that? They do it all the time. But you can't do that on your student loans, which is fucking insane. That's totally crazy.

You're just an individual. Yeah. Because they think so many people would just go bankrupt. They would go, fuck this. I'm just going bankrupt. Yeah. That is not good for anybody. And how you can't think that, I don't think that education should be necessarily, I don't know

if it should be free. Maybe you should have to put in some effort to get it so that you ensure that people do. That's one thing that changed my mind a lot during the pandemic is I used to be very pro universal basic income until I saw how many people didn't want to work as soon as they got COVID money. And as soon as they got unemployment, I was like, huh, wait a minute, hold on. Maybe these folks that are more pragmatic. Half of the COVID relief funds went to like fraud stuff. A lot of it. It was like, oh my God. Is it really half?

Millions and millions. I think it was more than half. Oh my God, that's so crazy. When I kept seeing the numbers, it was like, oh my God, it's like half. We do have a problem with this generation feeling entitled. Like I've heard people talk about that. They're entitled because they talk about what they say is disparagement of wealth, wealth inequality. And there, there's right. Yeah, there's definitely wealth inequality.

But then they decide that the billionaires have enough money so none of us should ever have to work. And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What does that mean? That's not even good for you. That's not even good for you. Believe it or not. If you want to be happy in this life, I think you have to have tasks,

and you have to try to achieve those tasks, and you have to work towards things, and you have to do things that challenge you and excite you. And whether that's an artistic pursuit or whether that's a physical pursuit, whatever it is, it's my belief, and this is just my opinion, that in order to be happy, you have to occupy yourself with difficult things something and enjoyable things and also have a great community of loving people those are the ways to be happy yeah you don't get happy just by the billionaires giving you money like you're gonna be miserable if you just have all the money you need for food and shelter and you don't

ever have to work do you know how many people would just ruin their lives and never do anything and wake up when they're like 70 like oh my? God, I did nothing Well a lot of people would man. It's a trap. It's a trap. It's a trap with humans You know humans have some traps that we kind of identified. You know what's really interesting my friend Yoni sent me this video apparently monkeys share in human beings like percentages of alcoholics when they're exposed to alcohol.

It's really similar. Oh dang, I never heard that. That's cool. He sent me this thing, I'll send it to you, Jamie. It's pretty dope. But it's monkeys, when they live around resort areas, they steal the drinks that people leave on the tables and the bars and shit.

And they've been doing it for so long, they become alcoholics. So these monkeys are running around. It's pretty dope. Drunken monkeys are a real thing. It is a real thing. But what's really interesting is that the monkeys that drink the most are the monkeys that are respected. Do you got it? I don't know. Yes, that's it.

That's exactly it. Alcoholic vervet monkeys. Weird nature BBC animals on YouTube. So these monkeys are just stealing drinks and they're getting hammered. That's the best. But what's weird is the monkeys that gets the most fucked up are the monkeys that are the most respected. It's like their fucking, their heroes are the dudes that get smashed. Look at them like they're they're fucking they're they're they're

heroes are the dudes who get smashed look at them they're fucking so hammered it's just like the seal teams they just fall down and shit it's really funny man and it's this video like they're constantly breaking glasses they knock glasses over and in these areas where you know these monkeys live where tourists are they're just getting fucked up all the time But they said that some of them realize that alcohol is for not not for them And it's a very similar percentage as human beings That's pretty cool ones that are really addicted to it very similar percentage as human beings But other ones they only gravitate towards like soda like they find like soft drinker now. Yeah

gravitate towards like soda like they find like soft drinks yeah the vast majority are social drinkers who indulge in moderation and only when they're with other monkeys but never before lunch and prefer their alcohol to be diluted with fruit juice 15 drink regularly and heavily and prefer their alcohol neat or diluted with water isn't't that amazing? Neat. They're like straight whiskey. I'm part of the 5%. The same proportion drink little or no alcohol. 5% are classified as seriously abusive binge drinkers. They get drunk, start fights, and consume as much as they can

until passing out. As with humans, most heavy drinkers are young males, but monkeys of both sexes and all ages like a drink. That's exactly us. That is human. I think I'm in a 5% binge jackass drinkers. A lot of people are.

A lot of people are. But they think that it's very similar to the numbers that they find in humans. That's pretty wild. Pretty wild. I kind of quit drinking now because I found I was a binge drinker. So I drink once in a while. I'll just have one or two. The problem with it?

I pretty much cut back way back. The problem with drinking? But I pretty much, like I cut back way back. The problem with drinking is it's fun. It's real fun. It's fun. People drink because it's fun. Like the idea of not drinking at all, I'm like, slow down. Slow down. I still do it a little bit when I'm out social.

I'll have my one or two and still have the fun. But I just cut way back from that binge, drunk, pass out. Like I don't do that ever. You don't want to do that that's not i think it was like a young dumb seal that we took everything to extremes you know i'm sure so i just super competitive i at last got out of that yeah super competitive dudes i remember uh there's like there's times when you're with competitive guys and they all they get competitive with the drinking too like jesus christ it was you can't stop yeah it's like everything's got to be a shooting competition

me and andy stump one night we drank until andy fell asleep at the bar and i just stood up like this victory motherfucker winner he went unconscious at the bar that's oh my god yeah we started at sushi he's great's great. Andy's great. He's an awesome dude. So we were talking about the way you felt, the way you felt, where you felt like you were a woman and then this was wrong. Like you were in the wrong body or the wrong, something's off. But at the same time, I was fighting that I was, I didn't feel right, but I also in my mind, because of religion and parental

and society and everything else I was being told in the 60s and 70s, I was wrong. So I was broken. There was no real examples for you to follow back then, right? There was zero examples. There was nothing. And there was no books, no internet. Was it Rene Richards, the tennis player? I didn't even know who that was. You didn't know about that one? But that was a really rare thing.

I was a kid growing up in the 70s with nothing, a black and white TV on a farm and going to church on Wednesdays for Bible study and every Sunday for church. Well, in a lot of ways, you're a great example, too, because there's this dialogue. There's this narrative that people are indoctrinated. Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Yeah. And then you clearly were not indoctrinated. Yeah, that's what I was getting at. You clearly were not indoctrinated. I was in a bubble. I was in a religious form. So impossible to be indoctrinated. There was zero indoctrination. It was the opposite of

indoctrinated. Yeah. I was being told all the opposite and so I was fighting it. I was fighting all these feelings because I was like, I'm evil. I'm wrong. I'm not worthy. And so all these minds are going through a kid. Like, it's really messing you up i can only imagine now when did you start expressing it outwardly i mean to anyone else besides just myself and private like hiding like totally 100 scared not until i was like in college

to one of my sisters so it was it very, like, I was scared, man. It was like, I didn't know what was wrong with me. I wanted to fix it. I was doing everything I could to fight against it and figure out what was wrong with me. And so that was like, I was in philosophy, I was in religion, I was doing all this stuff. I wanted to, like, even as a high school,

I was into philosophy. I was into like all this reading, trying to figure out what is wrong with me. Can you imagine like a kid, like growing up like that and figuring out biology, religion, philosophy, all of it, and not finding any answers in anything? Did you try to find— That's where I was. Were there any books on other people that were in a similar situation?

No. There's no books on it that you've been found? Where would I find that book? Right, where would you find that? In the 70s? I wouldn't even know what word to look up. I didn know the word so even like give me a word so you didn't know that it was a thing no wow i was alone 100 isolated wow and i i mean i didn't have sex until i was like 24 because i was scared i didn't know what was going on. I didn't do anything. I was like, can you imagine a 24-year-old virgin in the SEALs?

Whoa. Before I joined the SEALs, I finally did it. I think I was, oh, I would have been like 22 or 23 then. What drew you to the SEALs? For military for me, my grandfather was in World War II. He was in the Navy on a Jeep carrier. He was one of those gunners shooting down kamikazes. My uncle was in World War II. He was in the Navy on a Jeep carrier. It was one of those gunners shooting down kamikazes.

My uncle was in Battle of the Bulge in the Army. I had cousins and uncles and all of my entire family military. And so I always grew up around that military spirit and that kind of thing. World War II, we won it. It was always like this thing where we're the winners, we're Americans, and we did this. And that was how I grew up. All my aunts and uncles were all working in the oil fields and all very tough and all that. My dad was a football player, was going towards the New York Jets, you know,

before he blew his knee out and I got blown away. And it was a big football-working military family. And then you got me. Wow. You know? And so what was I going to do? From my earliest age, I can remember, I always was, like, focused on the military.

You know, I was always, like, into, like, the camis and studying military stuff, strategy. So you gravitate towards those things as well. 100%, yeah. Oh, I never graduated or gravitated towards anything feminine. Like, I was always trucks and guns and motorcycles and there was never anything feminine in my life. Well, what's fascinating is you're really, really honest, right? So when you're talking about this and it's unquestionably a courageous thing to live your life very publicly the way you do and talk about this, as a seal i hate that word courage applied to just being out but just being authentically yourself

no matter what you do takes courage not many people have they do a job because their dad wants them to do it and they they keep they stay in that fucking business until they're resentful and old and they realize they they fucking wasted life. I don't want that for anybody. And with that, whatever it is, whether it's your gender identity, whether it's your occupation, whether it's where you live, you should express yourself and live your life the way you want to live. And we should all share that, that need to let people be who the fuck they are and to listen to what they're saying.

So when someone like you who wasn't living in this world today, where people worry about that it's so high profile and there's so much social status attached to it, and there's a lot of discussions about it where it's like in the social zeitgeist in such a strong way, but your situation illuminates the very real dilemma that someone has when they're in your spot.

It's real. It's very real. This is real. It has to be spot. It's real. It's very real. This is real. It has to be real. It has to be real. Why would you lie? Why would you lie about that? Why would I go from the SEAL teams, retiring, and being like that caveman with a big beard,

being recruited into three-letter agency-type work and making over $200,000 a year? That's where I was. I was at that top level walking into Pentagon and walking in any agency I had all the badges I had a blue badge I had all the badges and then I went from that to the next day walking in with a dress and then losing everything what happened I was making over two hundred thousand dollars a year man so did they not want to accept you when you changed they they can't legally fire me, but they can stop inviting me to meetings. They can stop calling me.

They can stop inviting me. This is what I don't understand. And then after a while, you're just kind of like, and I was at that point, I was like, man, I'm running these programs and I'm not getting email

to go to that meeting because you guys, it's that. They put you in a category. It's a very private way to not be prejudiced, but to not invite somebody. Do you think that that would happen today?

Probably not. That's interesting, right? Yeah, yeah. Because what year are we talking about? So this was 2013, 12-13. That's not that long ago. It's not very long ago. Things have changed a lot in seven, eight years.

Isn't that wild? Yeah. The world changed in eight years. In many ways ways you are uh i mean you're a pioneer in that way yeah right it was when i first came out it was terrible it was nobody was talking about the military having anybody transgender in the military it wasn't even spoken about really we everybody knew it was there but it wasn't talked about and then when i came out the conversation started because I was like, holy cow, how many more transgender people are in the military? And so at that point in 2012,

and it was actually the Secretary of Defense. God, who was it? Because he was my boss before I became a SecDef. And he saw me come out. So he saw everything going on. It was, come out. So he saw everything going on. It was, God, why is my memory so bad sometimes? Weed. Yeah. So he saw it all. And then he became Secretary of Defense. And so the conversation started at that point in 2014, 15. When you decided to show up for work wearing a dress, is it because that's official outfit for females? No. I mean, at the time,

I was already retired and I was wearing a suit and tie. I was retired. So I was suit and tie, civilian, making big money, doing all of my inventions and innovation for the military and Department of Defense. So there's no dress code in terms of like women? If a woman wanted to wear a suit and tie, she could as well. Oh, yeah, could have. Right. And so did you decide to wear a dress to sort of broadcast? Yeah. Yeah. It was at the point when it was like I was tired of, in my own head, all of this internal struggle, this internal battle. And just like all of life, everything for us starts, like, in our mind, starts with thought.

And so this thought has been digging in my brain since I was a kid. And I was just tired, you know. And so what do I do? Do I start trying to live a life where I can make this gnawing idea stop and start doing it? Or do I just keep it gnawing in my head? And when you did decide to make the move, did you feel differently? Did you feel freer?

God, when I look back at that day, it was nuts. Because there was so much pressure? Yeah, I went from that Pentagon, suit and tie, doing my projects, running, making phone calls, having meetings. And then the next morning, I went into

a nail salon and I dressed, you know, in this gray dress and this ratty crappy wig and heels for whatever stupid reason. I don't wear any heels. I don't do that stuff anymore because I was going through as a 40 something year old going through puberty, trying to figure out who am I? Right. You know, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do as a teenager. Right. Who am I? And as a teenager, you try to give your teenager as much room as possible to try to figure out who they are during their teenage years.

Right. You don't want them figuring out when they're 20 because you should be working by now. You should be starting your own family. If you still don't know who you are by the time you're 25, you have some stuff going on in your head that you need to figure out. And so I figure I'm 40-something years old trying to figure it out. Right. So it's a mess. It's not a good picture.

It's a 40-something-year-old trying to be a teenager. Right. You're trying to – and you're wearing a wig. Yeah. Which is never good. So I walked into the nail salon and it says, I want a full set. And so that's when they actually scrape it down and the add the nail on there and polish and all that You can't take them off. Oh, no, it's all I'm stuck now

I did it kind of my purpose because I was like I'm gonna do this And so it's like jumping out of the back of the airplane, right? You know when you get up to that first jump free fall jump no matter if you're jumping daytime or whatever It's nighttime because as soon as you go out you're like shutting your eyes. You're like nighttime jump Did anybody have a meeting with you where they talked to you about it? Nobody. Everyone just kept quiet?

No, I mean, I walked in there, suit and tie, put nails on that morning, and then walked into the Pentagon because I couldn't turn back now. I have to be at work. I got a meeting. Right. So I was walking in there and going,

well, I'm there now. And I walked off to the first entrance to the Pentagon, which you have to go through a few different badges for me because I had to go into the deep stuff. So I walk into the first gate out there by the metro and show my badge, and the guy's looking at it, and he's going. And the guy was, like, seriously looking. And I says, yeah, I started out as a dude.

And the guy was like, it's me. And I said, if you need to call in, whatever. The guy was like, no, that's cool. And he was like, hurry up, go, get past me. Then the next guard was the same one. Then I finally get to my inner, like down in the basement where you have the outside door. Then you have somebody behind there with a guard, and that's the inside door. And you have one more door.

So all these doors I'm going through, I'm having to see people I see every day. And now I'm looking all like, it was the most nerve-wracking talk about when you talk about courage and I don't like using that word for just showing up I think courage is like way more than just showing up that's why I didn't like it applied to um what's her name um who's the famous one Jenner when they start talking about the courage award and all this I, I go, no, that's not courage. That's just me finally living my life. I'm just living. So for me, just to show up is not courage. For me to show up and then do something courageous would be courage.

That's why I don't like that word. I know what you're saying. I just showed up. But you're uniquely qualified to judge that word from being a SEAL. That gives you a unique, I mean, there's no doubt SEALs are courageous. It's like the word hero. Right. I'd be really careful when I use the word hero.

Yeah. Hero's reserved for all of my buddies that we were remembering yesterday during Memorial Day. Right. Those are heroes. I'm not. Also Johnny Depp. Yeah. Johnny Depp is definitely a hero.

Damn, that freaking, that whole jury, the whole thing is just a clown show. It's a clown show. Yeah! Dude. Yes. Clown show, for sure. But I just. Yeah.

But. So you. That coming out was the most strange day ever. I can imagine. I was getting phone calls from, Bill Shepard called me up. The astronaut, Bill Shepard, was my. The astronaut Bill Shepard was my direct boss. What does he say to you? He called up and says, are you okay?

That was the first thing he asked was, hey, Chris, are you okay? Actually, he always says, Chief. Chief, are you okay? I was going, yes, sir, I'm fine. And he was like, okay, so what's going on? Because he had all the calls because everybody knows that he was one of my bosses and he's like a mentor like right he's awesome man he's one of the greatest deals that i've ever worked with because he's so open-minded and so inquisitive and so like that guy's a thinker is there a fear

that they have when someone does something like that that were they worried that maybe you from combat duty had like some sort of a serious mental issue like i had a huge break or something right and as soon as they talked to me for five minutes they're like all right well it wasn't that so what is it and so i had to talk them through it i had to say this is something i've been dealing with since i was a kid and i'm trying to figure it out and i said i don't know what the right path is i don't know if i'm doing the right thing if i'm doing the wrong thing i have no'm doing the wrong thing. I have no idea. But I have to do something because this thing has been gnawing at my head

since I was a kid. And it didn't affect the way you did your job. No. So why didn't they eventually just accept it? It was probably 70% my fault because as you're going through this thing, you're not in your right mind because you're still thinking about a lot of other stuff. You have all this other going on. So I wasn't – and I'm going to say – and like I said before, I'm going to be honest and I never want to beat around.

I want you to have all the facts because then you can make a better decision about me and maybe carry your decision about me onto other people dealing with the same thing. Yes. When you're dealing with this, it's always on your mind. So it's never off of your mind. It distracted you and maybe diminished your ability to do your work. Yeah, for sure. And I can admit that I probably wasn't, I was definitely not doing the work that I could have done. Let me ask you this though.

If you were supported and if they said, you know, hey, Chris, we're, Kristen is better. Like, let's, let's go with Kristen. Does that make you happy? And, uh, we're, we love you. We accept you. We think you do great work without a been like easier. Like maybe you wouldn't have had all this shit on your mind. Cause you felt like, Hey, these people that believe in me and I've been a colleague of them for years. They just accept this as just a new thing. Maybe it would have relaxed you. It would have helped a lot. I did have that support from my direct leadership and a few other people.

Okay, so it was mixed. But you can't control everyone else. Right. You can never control how somebody thinks. No. And I don't want to. I can also don't want to change the way they think too much about all this too fast. Right.

And so the problem was because I was one of the first people in that arena of special operations or the high level agency stuff. I was definitely a guinea pig. And so I didn't do it right all the way. And neither did they, though. That's very honest of you. I was getting less calls. I was getting I was. I was getting, I was missing meetings. It wasn't, and I wasn't fully in it. And so it was a combination of being super new at it. They didn't know how to handle it. I didn't know how to handle it either.

So all those issues, I was in the wrong place. I really appreciate that. I really appreciate that you have that honesty because I think this is such a unique window into someone who's experiencing this that for you to be very honest about how it affected the way you did your job. I think that's really important. I commend you for that. I think it's really cool. We're never going to get to anything like a good solution to any of this because this is a this is an issue with humanity. Right. Just like we said earlier, this is real. i was really going through it i grew up in an environment where i was not indoctrinated not i didn't know what's going on and i'm still doing this well you know we talked about the heyoka earlier that was also a thing in the lakota people that they had a third gender yeah

yeah they then they praised those people because they had traits of both and they could see into both sides so they could see how a woman would look at it and they could see into both sides so they could see how a woman would look at it and they could see how a man would look at it and they they valued them for their wisdom in that regard that they had a unique vision and i really think that's where i'm coming in that makes sense like it's something like i do it right now if i have like couples and i'm i'm right now doing my master's degree graduate school in mental health counseling and so i've been studying tons of, graduate school in mental health counseling. And so I've been studying tons of psychology and all this mental health stuff and human development from, you know, birth through everything.

I've been studying this stuff like hardcore now for almost three years. Just stop and think about people that were Lakotas living on the plains in the 1700s. Why would they invent something like that? They were barely getting by. Because it was real. Yeah, it was real. I mean, if there's a better test case, please show it to me.

If you want to have the clearest example that people were literally, they were hunters and gatherers. I mean, it was the hardest fucking life you could live. Then you had one Hauka. Exactly. And it's that small of a number. Transgender people as well.

And that transgender person was a Hale-Ka. Most of them fell into that medicine person area because I knew. And that's why I said I'm in mental health counseling right now and I'm trying really hard to figure this out. Because I do think that when I have couples therapy, I have people come in, I can really dig into the psyche of the male perspective and a female perspective. And when I talk to them, I say, what about this? And then they both go, that's what we were thinking about because I can bring it all together. That totally makes sense. I mean, there's obviously a spectrum when it comes to all sorts of issues with human beings. Why wouldn't there be a spectrum when it comes to that?

Why wouldn't there be some people that it comes to that? Why wouldn't there be some people that sort of identify more in a feminine side but also understand the masculine side? It makes sense. Because it's real. It should be, like, it should be just something that people just accept. I think the things like the swimming issue

and the sports issue in the Olympics, like, that's one of the dividing things. It's a sidetrack, but unfortunately it puts a wedge into what should be, live your life like you wanna live your life, as long as it's not hurting anybody. As long as it's good for you, it's like that's what you like, good, God bless.

That's how we really should treat all of it, and I feel like unfortunately when it gets to things like sports where people are like, hey, hey, hey, now you're getting ideology in the way of fairness, in the way of real equality, like the equality that a woman has to be able to pursue athletics against other women. Things are getting squirrely. Well, think of it like this. What was the dude's name that wrestler? Carellon.

Carellon. So that dude was born to do what he's doing. He might have been in a lab. That guy was. Might have been some lab work. Actually, he was the experiment. See if you can find He might have been in a lab. That guy was. Might have been in some lab work. Actually, he was the experiment. See if you can find his parents. Show Carellon next to his parents.

You need to see this. Professional football players, professional hockey. Sure. All these people who are at the highest levels of their sport. Super athletes. Or hockey. Yeah. You have all the people who are at the highest level of their intellectual capacity.

People are born with gifts. And why couldn't we look at what I'm going through as a gift of Heyoka? It's a gift that after I graduate with a degree in mental health counseling, I'm able to start counseling people. Can't you look at this as a gift that I can see it from all these different perspectives and sides? And I can really help people. There's a natural tendency that people have to pick on people that are different. That's a natural tendency. And most of it comes from insecurity.

It comes from you don't ever want to be the person that gets picked on. So when you see an opportunity to pick on someone, especially like you see young kids in the playground, that's what they do, right? Yeah. They find the one boy who's weird and they pick on him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's totally like a...

Yeah. If we could figure out a way to show how pathetic that really is and how bad that is, and it's like the only reason why you're doing it is because you're insecure. Like if you're really secure, you wouldn't want to do that. You'd want to protect that person and go, come on, leave him alone. What do you give a shit? What's the problem here? But it's that.

That's the problem. The problem is these people that are really afraid of their own masculinity or whether or not it's solid or whether or not they're respected or whether or not, you know, they're insecure. So they see someone who seems to be more insecure than them and they attack it. Chickens do that, man. It's a pecking order.

Dogs do that. Dogs do that. They find a cowardly dog, they'll bite that dog. They'll chase them and growl at them. It's a horrible tendency in nature to try to find someone that they can exert their will over. Is that part of survival of species? It probably is.

Like with the dogs? It probably is. The dog will pick on a weak dog to kill it? Wolves do it. Because you don't want that dog to interbreed with the rest of them because then the whole species is weaker because now you have a weak link. You could say that dogs have been affected by human beings because they most certainly have, right?

I mean, you have a German Shepherd. Is that a German Shepherd? That German Shepherd is obviously a dog that is like highly trained, highly selected for breeding, and it's super intelligent. Like you'd see when that dog walks in, that dog is like scanning the area.

That's not like my dog. My dog is like, hi, I'm your friend. Totally different kind of dog. But a wolf has not been affected by people. A wolf is just a fucking wolf. And wolves do it. They attack small,

the beta wolves, they kill them. They drive them out of the wolf pack. If they think they're not doing their job, they get rid of them. Yeah. If they have like some bitch ass wolf that lays back and doesn't join the hunt, they get rid of them. We used to do that though. Yeah. But we don't do it anymore. But the thing is that sometimes the guy who doesn't want to get in the hunt, who lays back, can figure out how to make an airplane. Or can develop a computer chip. Or maybe they have, yeah. Some people aren't meant to be physically courageous and bad asses.

Some people are meant to be coders. Like they are fascinated by computer languages. They're fascinated by technology and innovation and trying to find better solutions to things. That's their arena. But that computer guy, you're not going to try to make him equalized somehow like Bergeron. We're going to have him as a professional football player? Well, you could try.

Think about football. It's like you're going to get killed. But a person like me, if we were in the old days, those intellectual, spiritual guides, those people who had that knowledge because we could see it from all these different sides why can't we just say that's my position as the archetypes the Joseph Campbell archetypes the Carl Jung, if you look

into the actual who we are as people and you look at all those archetypes and we study them and we say this is who we are you can fall into any one of these categories why don't kids learn that at a younger age to know that this is a necessary thing? Like if you're being a bully because you're picking on that nerd, and we need that chemistry computer nerd because that's where they fall into the hierarchy of who we are as people. Yeah.

It's a necessary thing. It is. I really believe that who I am, Heyoka, is a necessary archetype of humanity. You need the sacred clowns. It is. that because we're so stuck on these freaking stereotypes that I'm this and you have to respect my gender. I said, I don't want you to respect my gender. I don't want you to respect the ability for me to critically think and like intellectually look at this from all these different sides and tell you that this is what I find is the truth. This is an objective truth and not a subjective truth. I think we mix up subjectivity and objectivity. Everybody is subjective and relative in this current day. It's this current era that we're living in. There is no objectivity.

Everything is subjective. Right. And if everything is subjective, nothing is true. Well, some things are true. If everything's subjective. Like if you get hit in the head with a frying pan, it hurts. Oh, yeah, it does. That's not really subjective.

But it doesn't hurt me as much as it would hurt you. Really? Because I have a thicker skull. You have a thicker skull than me? Are you sure? Maybe not. There's some things that I'm going to let slide, but I don't know about that one. But the thing is, the way the current generation is doing it, it's a younger generation.

This new generation of people don't look at it the way me and you look at it. Right. They look at things so different. But I think they're also more open-minded. I think in some ways they're more accepting of things. So in some ways it's better. But I think there's all sorts of issues. Maybe not.

I think they're less inclusive. I think it's a fear-based thing. I think they submit to the will of their tribe. They accept an ideology. And they push it with all sorts of aggression. On both sides, both sides do. You know, when people want to only look at transgenderism as a mental illness, like, well you're pushing it

the other way, just as crazy. Like that's crazy too, like you tell me it's a mental, why? If it makes them actually happy happy how is it an illness? What is it? How do we not know that people have different ways like some people love music that I think is dog shit, right? So what is happening? Well, what are they what is happening when they hear that music and they love it? There's something that I cannot deny Their love of this thing. I cannot. They think things differently. People like all sorts of different clothes that other people don't like.

They're attracted to different ways of life. They're attracted to different ways of communicating. Yeah. Why wouldn't they be varied in their gender? It only makes sense. And why can't we respect that? Why can't we just leave people the fuck alone? Libertarian.

Yeah. Not just that, but support it. Go and look. I support you. Live your life. I support you. Live your life. I want you to live your life. That's all. That's what we need to concentrate on more than anything. And then once we do that, we realize we don't have nearly as many enemies as we think we

do. Most people are good people. That's the only way we could ever exist on a highway or in fucking cities and streets. If everybody was bad, we'd be just murdering everybody left. It'd be chaos. It'd be bloodbath in the streets. I think so. If everybody was bad, we'd be just murdering everybody left. It'd be chaos. It'd be bloodbaths in the streets. But it's not. Generally, most people get along fine.

Like today, we just met, just met your girlfriend. You met Mercy. You met Phil. You met all these people. Everybody's friendly. Everybody's great. Isn't that most of life? That's most of life.

Just like we were talking about the Russians earlier. Yes. Almost all them Russian dudes I met one-on-one. Yes. They're all good dudes. Yeah, the idea that we're going to fucking go to war with these guys, like why? Yeah, doesn't make any sense. I bet we'd like to drink with them. Yeah.

I bet they'd be fun guys. It's like the thing that separates us is groups. Like the idea that we're in the American group versus the Russian group. Like one day, I think what technology, what they're probably scared of, what they really want to avoid, is that there will be no boundaries between physical experiences, languages, you could be able to travel wherever you want, money will be decentralized, they'll have no control over people anymore, and then people will govern based on what's good for people. And they'll figure that out.

But it might take a thousand years. I hope not. I hope not too, but I think that we have to get to a point where we just realize that a lot of our tendencies towards aggressive behavior, towards people with opposing viewpoints is a tribal thing. And it's a natural part of human behavior characteristics that exist in primates and it's not good. And there's ways to get around it and there's ways, but it takes a long road. And when someone gets through it. There's ways, but it takes a long road and when someone gets through it like you

or someone gets through it like someone else that might be exemplary, you could see how they can give you some insight as to their struggle and maybe we can all take that into consideration and just treat people a little nicer. Just be cool. Yes, be fucking cool. That's possible. I like the tribes.

I read, what was that one book to Rick I wrote about the tribes in the beginning. I really like nailed it down. Just I just guy No, that's that's right, but that's really more about there's a broker They really went into the tribes and why we do it as humans and I believe it's tribes are important We need these tribes it's a beans was that a Nova you all know Oh, Roddy's if I can remember the name. By the way, that guy gets misquoted left or right now. Everybody thinks he's like some evil Satanist.

Nietzsche gets quoted all wrong. Tribes. Seth Godin, is that it? Tribes, we need you to lead us. Is that it? That's exactly right. Which one is it? Sebastian Younger.

Oh, Sebastian Younger tribe. Okay, yeah, that is. So that was like one of the first ones that really- I've had Sebastian on a few times. So he's good. He's awesome. He's a fascinating guy. Yeah, amazing. Jordan Peterson. was like one of the first ones that really. I've had Sebastian on a few times. So he's good. He's awesome. He's a fascinating guy. Yeah, amazing.

Jordan Peterson. I freaking love that guy too. Sebastian is so real. Like that is who that guy. I mean, obviously when he filmed Restrepo and he's been involved in reporting from a lot of like very hostile and dangerous places. He's seen a lot of things. And his insight into the camaraderie that soldiers share with each other

is so unique and that book really does a fantastic job of highlighting that and expressing that this is like a natural part of people and that we have so much history of that kind of life. Like there's more history of people being at war than there is people not being at war. There's zero history of life. Like, there's more history of people being at war than there is people not being at war. Oh, definitely. There's zero history of that. I don't think we've ever

heard of these. There's never. Humanity. It's just crazy. We're nuts. I mean, we don't want to look at that, but if you really objectively

look at what happens when you go tribal, that's what happens. You get to this fucking point where you have to be at war. Everybody's at war with everybody else. All the time.

All throughout history. There's not one time in history where everybody just said, hey, let's be cool. That's pretty sad. That might be possible, though. But I think it's only going to be possible if we stop being people. And I think that's inevitable anyway.

I think we're going to become the next thing. It's an agreeable truth that tribes will always exist. But how do we get the tribes? Not necessarily, though. I think there could be a tribe of Earth. But it's got to get to we need aliens though it's it's we're going to become them i think that's what's going to happen i really do something's going to happen i think that's what's happening with i mean

if you look at there's there's a real problem with humans right now with uh contamination from plastic oh yeah and uh that was highlighted by this woman dr shanna swan who wrote this book countdown which is terrifying where she don't want it found in microplastics on both sides of the uh Oh, yeah. And that was highlighted by this woman, Dr. Shanna Swan, who wrote this book Countdown, which is terrifying. Was she the one that found the microplastics on both sides of the womb? I don't know if she's the one who found that, but she's the one who did the studies on phthalates. Phthalates are chemicals that come from plastics that are directly attributed to a changing

of the child in the womb. So when the mother has a lot of phthalates in her system, it shrinks the penis size, shrinks the testicle size, shrinks sperm counts. And there's like a direct correlation. Her research highlights, and she's legit. Is she from Harvard? Where is she from? She's like a brilliant lady and really fun,

like really fun lady. She's hilarious. Like on her, she talks about the reduction in sperm counts. So on her Instagram page, she has a thing called the jizz quiz. So she makes it fun. She's a fun lady. That's awesome. But she's also a brilliant scientist.

There she is. Okay. She's one of the world's leading environmental and reproductive epidemiologists and a professor of environmental medicine and public health at the Ikahan School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City. And where'd she get her education from? Either way. So they were finding those microplastics on both sides

of the wall in the room. They were finding the microplastics in the fetus and in the mother in really large quantities. The book is terrifying by the way. It's a terrifying book. Because it's essentially saying that we're going to become those aliens.

We're going to be these genderless, weird bodies with no testosterone. Like, it seems like there's a reduction in testosterone

that's apparent because of these plastics, but also, just as disturbingly, women seem to have more miscarriages than ever before. And they think

that that's also correlated to this chemical exposure to plastics. To microplastics. We found out. We were talking about it the other day. We were guessing because we remembered that a certain amount of time passes and you've eaten a credit card worth of plastic. Jamie thought it was a year.

I thought it was a month. It's a fucking week. One week? One week. Are you kidding me? Every week, the average human being eats a credit card-sized piece of plastic because you consume so many microplastics It's so many different things We're just and it's in our bloodstream. Yeah, it's and it's also it does all sorts of weird stuff to your hormones

It's terrible for you and it's inevitable like we're all you know I'll do and it's like we're all drinking water at a bar water bottles and Heating things up and microwaves that are covered in plastic, and all that shit is leaking into food. And this woman is saying, like, hey, this is new data. And I believe, was it 2013 when they published that, Jamie? Do you remember what it was? 2015 maybe?

That's craziness. The phthalates study where they finally realized that this was, they could make a direct correlation in mammals, and then also they could see it in human beings. they could make a direct correlation in mammals. And then also they could see it in human beings. But in mammals, they know that if you introduce phthalates into the woman when she has a baby, 2009. Okay, so in 2009, they figured this out. And so that's not that long ago, man.

You know, 13 years ago, they're just going, holy shit. We're messing ourselves up. We're fucked because there's a direct correlation between the introduction of petrochemical products and these phthalates and then this decrease in penis size, decrease in taint size. Your taint shrinks up. No way. Yeah. That's crazy.

One of the best ways to determine a male versus female in like a baby mammal is the size of the taint. A male's taint is 50 to 100 percent larger than the females Wow So when their taints are shrinking on the males and the penises are shrinking the balls are shrinking and they find phthalates They're like oh my god something's going on So it's what you think about what society is where it's filled with plastic the more Technologically advanced we get the more we have plastic this and plastic that microchips and silk on that What that stuff's getting into our bodies and that stuff is making us become genderless We're slowly but surely gonna become that weird fucking alien with the big head no genitals

We're gonna turn into a bunch of Barbie don't seeing through walls and read each other's minds. It's coming I Can't read no I mean that that's probably our future That's not so I think this- Literally. The thing about people being accepting now is good, but they're not accepting of other people's opinions. There's like a desire today to shut down other people's opinions. Yeah. And to, I mean, do you identify as conservative?

Who would you say your political leanings are? Libertarian. Libertarian. I'm 100% independent in the fact that I never vote along party lines. I don't care what party you are. I will look at the person. Are they honest and have some integrity? And what's their voting record? What are their policies? Right. And that's who I vote on. Right. And I think that's one of the problems we have in America is people just stick to the parties. It's like the party isn't always right. It's not always the best candidate. I kids today, if they identify as

conservative, they take a rash of shit. But isn't that that old expression? You know, find me a young man who's a conservative and I'll find you a man without a heart. Find me an old man who's a liberal and I'll find you a man without a brain. Yeah. 100%.

But I don't think that's real either. You could be liberal, but you've got to be a pragmatist. You can be both. I'm liberal in a lot of ways, but I'm very conservative when it comes to fiscal responsibility and actual individual responsibility and accountability. I think that's one of the big problems we have also is that nobody's responsible for anything. Nobody's accountable. It's not my fault. It's their fault.

The life that you lived where you were a SEAL is all about accountability. Nobody's responsible for anything. Nobody's accountable. There's not. It's not my fault. It's their fault. The life that you lived where you were a SEAL is all about accountability. 100% accountability. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like Jocko says, extreme ownership. Yeah. Always.

Yeah, always. If I messed up, I'm going to tell you, I messed up. And I will pay the consequences. That's so contrary to the way- If I mess up, punch me in the face. Yeah. You know? But that takes- That's hard. That's a hard life. Yeah. Right? And a lot of people want that soft me in the face. Yeah. You know? But that takes, that's hard.

That's a hard life. Right? And a lot of people want that soft, cushy life. Yeah. You know, they'd rather be body positive. So I was at, so I still ride a motorcycle and I'm in a club. And I still hang around a lot with the clubs and stuff. And so I was at this other motorcycle club hanging out with these guys.

And I did something. There was this one area where it was like club members only but i had something back there that i had to grab and so i poked my head in a little bit i said hey can i grab and the guy was like you're not allowed back here i was like oh shit all right i fucked up man whatever i got to do to pay the consequences you know go ahead if you got to punch me in the face or really or punch me in a gut or you know i'll take the punishment if whatever punishment you guys usually, what do you give each other? And I was like, ah, $25 fine.

I was like, all right, here you go. Oh, that's better. But the thing is, it's like, that's what you got to do. It's like if I screwed up, it's like, hey, I messed up, man. What's my payment? What's my payment? Yeah, don't ever tell anyone. Don't let him punch you.

I did. Get the fuck out of here. But if he did punch me, he would have broke my jaw. Because the dude is like a fucking monster. You don't want anybody punching you just for did. Get the fuck out of here. But if he did punch me, he would have broke my jaw. Because the dude is like a fucking monster. You don't want anybody punching you just for opening a locked door. That's ridiculous. Yeah. But there are rules of rules, you know?

Yeah. Well, I mean, I see what you're saying. But yeah, accountability. It was extreme. It's just like. I was being extreme because I was a little fucked up too. Discipline is something that one of the things that I love about guys like Goggins and Jocko is like they preach from the altar of discipline and

Discipline equals freedom is one of my favorite Jocko quote Yeah And it's such a great quote because it's true if you have discipline you have more freedom you have you get the things done You're also not as haunted Yeah You know when you when you have discipline and you get stuff done those things don't fuck with your head like I know people that Are putting stuff off and they know eventually and then that stuff fucks with your head and it's always hanging over yes always it's always hanging over there like when you had this thing where you felt like you were a woman

and you wanted to express that and it's hanging over your head you're not doing it like it's probably occupying there always yeah with every thought right yeah it's like a noise it takes away a lot yeah that's why it's so important for people to be themselves like someone who lives a life where they wish they were doing something else god that's a torturous existence you can't be in the moment you can never be in the moment never be in a moment yeah you're always haunted but it's the only place you can be most effective if you're in a moment yeah yeah. And I was pretty effective, though, as a SEAL. I mean, I was a good one. I did a good job.

Well, is that so overwhelmingly difficult that, like, it forces you to completely focus on that one thing? Oh, yeah, yeah. So maybe in some ways it's like a therapy. Just like you were saying earlier about people that get all that money and don't work, they're not doing anything.

Yeah. So when I was in the SEALs and shooting and doing the stuff, I would get into the flow. I'd get into the groove. And you've probably been in a flow a few times when you're like, when you're fighting or you're training. And a lot of people don't know what the flow feels like. No.

But if you have that job and you're so dedicated to that job and you're practicing, you get it, you get the flow. And that's the most in a moment and the most free and the most amazing feeling you ever had when you're in the flow. But you only get there through work. You only get there through difficult things. Through discipline. Yeah.

And practice. Discipline and practice. People who meditate a lot. And I think those things have to be difficult. Yeah. Like, if you're in the middle of something that's really hard to do, that's one of the things that I really love about archery. Archery's difficult. So, like, when you're drawn on that bow and you're in position, you can't think of anything else.

Same thing with pool. When you're making a shot and you're playing pool. All you're thinking about is making that cue ball collide perfectly with that ball and knock it in the hole. It's the same with jiu-jitsu. When someone's trying to strangle you, you're not thinking about anything other than getting out of this fucking choke. You're not thinking, God, I've got to clean the garage. You're getting fucked up. You're getting fucked up. You're getting fucked up, that's all you can think of.

And that in a way is cleansing. That in a way, any kind of extreme, a lot of my friends that do ultra marathons and shit, they'll tell me that when that's over, they don't have a care in the world. That is so hard that everything else is nothing. It was like every time we finished a mission, we'd all sit around.

It'd be like dawn because we'd finish always like vampire hours. We'd finish at 5 a.m. or 6 a.m. And then we'd all sit around and smoke cigars. Yeah. Sit around a bonfire, smoke cigars, talk about the mission. And you probably- That was like the most- You earned that relaxation.

It was the best. That's why I don't smoke cigars anymore because it kind of does bring up some other memories and I just, I don't- I get it. I don't smoke cigars as much. But in does bring up some other memories. And I just, I don't dig it as much. Yeah. But in those days, man, it really was. It was the flow. Like, this was in my mind. But in the seals, when I got in that flow, when you're doing the stuff, I didn't think about anything.

It was just, it was pure seal. Yeah, I think a lot of people use very, very difficult pursuits as a form of therapy, as a form of understanding who they are. But you find yourself through hard things. 100%. That's why when I would tell people, just do something difficult. I'm telling you, I know you don't want to, but it's good for you. Challenge. But the problem is, also, people don't like people telling them what to do.

So when someone is telling you to do difficult things, you're like, fuck you. I'm going to smoke weed and play video games. And you think you're being a rebel, but you're really fucking yourself over it. Like you really should do whatever you want to do, but you should want to do something difficult. Because if you do, you'll be better off. Your life will be more interesting. It's more like there's a part of being a human where we like solving problems and we like getting better at stuff. Whether it's getting better at writing, whether it's getting better at playing music, whatever the fuck your thing is. Yeah, we like getting better at stuff. Whether it's getting better at writing,

whether it's getting better at playing music, whatever the fuck your thing is. Yeah, we like to improve at stuff. It's, and why? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to make sense. Trust that there is a thing that you can do that makes you happier.

And one of those things is work hard. It sounds crazy, but, and physically work hard. You need to do something physical, something. Whether it's go on hikes, do some push-ups, take a yoga class. You need something that makes your body drain itself of extra bullshit. Yeah.

And that's like hot and cold baths. Like Rudy Reyes. Did you ever have Rudy Reyes on a show? No, I have not. Dude, it's awesome. You got to try to get him someday. What does Rudy Reyes do? He's a Marine Corps sniper

and he's started a project called Project Blue something, cleaning the ocean up and building reefs. Oh, okay. He's a super, like, athlete. He does a lot of meditation and mindfulness. The guy's just, like, he's a really good, solid, physical, like, Goggins, but he also gets really deep into the spiritual and the mindfulness of like stuff. Well, I'll reach out. The dude is a good dude. Okay.

You really have a good time with him on the show. That sounds good. He, uh, and that's the thing that I've been working on a lot also as mindfulness. I have a nonprofit called Mindful Valor and it's, it's a military nonprofit trying to help with this whole thing with a 22 a day and all the other stuff. What's 22 a day? 22 suicides per day, taking her own life, all the thing with a 22 a day and all the other stuff. What's 22 a day? 22 suicides per day, taking her own life, all the veterans. Is 22 a day now? I think it's more than that.

So I don't think they mess with the numbers, but it's a lot. It's a lot. When you look at the numbers, I mean, if it was 10 a day, it's still a lot of veterans. I know for a fact that, well, I don't know for a fact, I've read it, that more people died in suicides that were veterans than in combat duty in Afghanistan. Yes, definitely. That's crazy. Way more.

That's crazy. But it's something that I've been working on a lot, and I think it's something that Rudy works on. There's Dakota Meyer. There's a lot of good veterans out there that are working on projects to try to help other veterans get through this. It's the transition from civilian to military. It's a transition from a combat mindset to a peace mindset. Also, there's a lot going on in our heads

that we need to figure out. I don't think we've fully figured it out. Is there coaching when you get out? Like, is there anybody that gives you any sort of guidelines? There is, but it's really hard to find. And I think it's hit and miss. And it's only if you're in that pipeline. I think the SEALs and SF guys, and I think it's hit and miss, and it's only if you're in that pipeline. I think the SEALs and SF guys, I think we have some really good avenues, but I don't think there's a lot for everybody else. A friend of mine who was a SEAL told me that SEALs experience PTSD less because they're proactive versus reactive. He said the people that experience it the most are the people that are locked down

in a place where they're under fire and they feel helpless and they feel trapped and they develop these tendencies more often. And he was saying with SEALs, also that they're very high-functioning, very disciplined people who can adapt, that they're a little bit better off at doing it. But then there's also physical things. Like we were talking about, you know, TBIs. Yeah. Like TBIs absolutely affect—

I have some bad TBIs. I'm sure. Yeah. Most soldiers. Do you know about the Warrior Angel Foundation? Have you heard about their work? There's a couple of foundations. There's one that was working with TBI specifically where they put all the things on your head.

Well, Andrew Marr and my friend, Dr. Mark Gordon, they put together this foundation. I'll have to check it out. A lot of it they're dealing with the fact that so many veterans come back that have experienced a lot of impacts, whether it's breaches or IEDs. They develop endocrine problems because their pituitary gland gets damaged. And so many of these guys are super depressed because their testosterone stopped production. I've got to look into that one. Yeah.

Also, their growth hormone, a lot of things are way off because, you know, we find that in fighters too. Yeah, football players. Yeah, football players. The impacts, they destroy your endocrine system. And so they're so sad, they're just like super depressed. And then you're dealing with TBI on top of that and CTE, which is so prevalent in people that you would never expect it in.

It's one of the things we're finding about fighters. Yeah. Like CTE is super prevalent. They're just barely starting to admit that this exists. Yes. And so we need more studies on it. We need more information because the TBI definitely messes me up. And my girlfriend will tell you like just stuff that she tells me and I'm like, I don't

remember it. I'm sure. But also that's convenient, isn't it? Yeah, it's really good I use it sometimes don't tell me my wife baby I've been hitting the head so much I don't remember shit she's like motherfucker I heard your podcast you remember everything TBI yeah it's TBI it's um I mean they say people get TBI from fucking uh jet skis Mark Gordon was telling me that you know you don't realize that just if you're jet skiing every weekend, your brain is rattling around in your fucking head, especially if you, like, I see these crazy dudes on the lake

that jump over other people's wakes, and so like, all that stuff is your brain rattling in your head, and you don't think you're getting hit, but your brain thinks you're getting hit. Oh, yeah. Doesn't know the difference. Soccer players get it. But the physical stuff, like you said, was like a really big thing.

And that's what I'm doing with my nonprofit is we do forging. So I make knives. Oh, nice. So I have the forge anvils and all this stuff. Oh, no shit. And I invite a bunch of veterans in. And then we sit there and we make knives. Do you sell them? I do a little bit. Do you have a website or anything? The website is

mindfulvalor.com. Oh, and the knives are on the website as well? Not yet. Because I only, basically what I do is I find somebody, I say, hey, this is for a nonprofit. Give me what you think a nonprofit would do. It's for fundraising. And so the entire nonprofit, nobody makes salary. Nobody makes any money off it. If I sell anything, it's to give money all 100% back to the nonprofit. And so that's how I'm doing it. I gave one to Rob O'Neill, and I gave one to a couple other SEAL Team guys.

Oh, nice. And then they sent some money in for the nonprofit. So are you like, do you have like the whole deal where you forge the metal and hammer it down and all that shit? Oh, shit. I can show you some videos. That's wild. It's pretty fun.

There's this kid who sent me a hatchet once, a camp axe. It's Hoffman Blacksmith. It's Hoffman Blacksmith. Go to Hoffman Blacksmith. Oh, Hoffman. I think I have one of his hammers. Yeah, he sent me a camp axe. It's pretty dope. Is it John Hoffman?

Is it Jay Hoffman? Something? Because I have one of his hammers. The guy's awesome. We'll find out when Jamie pulls it up. But he was a young guy at the time. I think he was like really early 20s. He sent me this a long time ago.

And that's it, Hoffman Blacksmithing. So, Liam Hoffman. I think he was like really early 20s. He sent me this a long time ago. And that's it. Hoffman blacksmithing. So, Liam Hoffman. I have one of his hammers. So, if you go down, scroll down a little bit, you'll see some videos of him. See, there he is. There's his axes and shit. There's videos of him doing it.

Oh, no, no. A different guy. That's not the same Hoffman. Oh, okay. So, they're taking these things and then slamming them in this press and then they hammer them down. It's pretty dope, man. I love watching people make shit. I really do.

It's so interesting. That's what I was in the SEAL teams. I was one of the makers. So whenever they do all those inventions and all that weird SEAL team new stuff, they'd always bring me in for those inventions. This is wild shit, man. That's how they're getting the hole in the center where the axe handle goes through. This is fucking cool.

It's drifting the hole. Yeah. So I love watching shit like this. See, that's what we do. It's so satisfying. We bring in all those veterans, and then we make a bunch of knives, and we sit there around a bonfire. That's dope. And it usually lasts about two days.

And then Jim Hoffman, that's the guy I was thinking of. Oh, different guy it's gotta be so satisfying to do something with a utensil or an item like an axe or whether it's a knife something you made yourself

that's pretty fucking cool that's really interesting I love watching people create things. I think there's something about a human being and creating things that's so satisfying, whether you're making a house or furniture. There's a video I watched the other day of some guy making a very small log cabin in the woods. Oh, yeah. Those are awesome.

It's amazing. I'm like, why am I loving this so much? I'm loving this guy making a cabin. It's like, I think I saw it on Dig, and it said that it was oddly satisfying. I'm like, yeah, it is oddly satisfying. What is going on with people? I was trying to find one of these. One of your knives?

Yeah. I was going to show you some of us when we're doing it. Do you know Andrew at Half Face Blades? No, I don't. Half Face Blades is a dope company that is also run by a SEAL. No, I don't. Half Face Blades is a dope company that is also run by a SEAL. And he makes killer kitchen knives, chef's knives, hunting knives.

He makes really killer shit. And it has his Half Face Blades logo on it. So here's my girlfriend. I'm trying to teach her how to make a knife. Oh, wow. But that's in my shop. That's fucking cool. There's something really cool about watching that hot red metal, too.

Right? But I got a bunch of those videos of us doing this. You ought to come up for one of the events. That sounds interesting. Where do you do that? Oh, here I'm making a sword. Oh, shit. I have her holding a sword, and I'm doing a hammer.

Well, let me ask you this. So that's a full-on broadsword. That's a bastard sword, big old broadsword. It's a cool sword. Have you ever watched those videos of the Japanese masters creating samurai swords? Yeah. How are they doing that? What is the deal with the folding? Why does the folding help?

Can you tell me that? Well, a lot of times when they're folding, they're folding in different types of metals. So they're actually able to do a softer and a harder metal. Then you actually sandwich. It's called a—I'm messing up that word tbi so they actually fold a lot of the soft metal into the spine and then you have the harder metal down more towards where the edge is because then you can have that hard metal you can get super super sharp but it's very brutal too then if you have it sandwiched around uh softer almost had it softer,

then it gives you the ability to kind of move and flex. So does it break? You just have the hardness. Yeah, it can't break. Oh, yeah. Because that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to have the soft and then the hard metal is just on the edge. Then you can't dull it.

So it's still super sharp. That's an argument with broadheads for arrows too, for archery. Because there's some broadheads that they make out of really hard metal, but it breaks when it hits bone. Where other bend around the bone. Because they'll kind of move. They'll wiggle around the bone. And people have started to prefer those.

Yeah, so I make my skinning knives. The skinning knives are a little bit that big, it has a blade about that big, real small. And so the skinning knife, you want to be super sharp, because you're in the field, you don't want to worry about dulling. Even if it hits a bone, you want to be super sharp. But if you drop one of my skinning knife, you want to be super sharp because you're in the field. You don't want to worry about dulling. Even if it's a bone, you want to be super sharp. But if you drop one of my skinning knives on a slab of concrete, it's going to shatter.

Oh, wow. Because what I do is I harden it to such a high rockwell hardness. It's like a 90-something. It's crazy hard. But it won't dull. It's going to be super sharp. It's going to be skin. So you just have to be real careful about it.

Just don't drop it. So it's just like those ceramic blades. If you drop one of those, it's going to shatter. Oh, wow. So just be careful with your tool and use it for So it's just like those ceramic blades. If you drop one of those, it's going to shatter. Oh, wow. So just be careful with your tool and use it for what it's meant for. Don't use it as a fighting knife. This is only for skinning. Now, if I gave you a fighting knife, I would have like an extra thick spine.

It's like one of the ones I gave Rob O'Neill. It's like a camp knife. It's not a fighting knife because I made it extra thick spine. This thing is heavy. It weighs like six pounds. But I made it so you can chop wood. You can split wood with this thing. You can chop a tree down. Oh, wow. And you can take another thing. You can hit the back of the knife to drive through a piece of metal if you want. So it's very versatile. It's a camp knife. It's not made for carrying in

the woods or carrying around as a combat knife because it's too heavy for combat. So it does a bunch of different things you can do around. So if you use your tool for what the tool is made for, it's going to be great performance. But if you use it for something else, it's probably going to suck. Like one of my camp knives, if I gave it to a Marine Corps guy, he'd call it a piece of crap because it's not a fight knife. He'd start trying to use it as a fight knife and switching around. It's too heavy.

It's clunky. It's this and that. It's not made for that, dude. Right. It's made for chopping trees down. It's made for. It's this net. It's not made for that dude, right? It's made for chopping trees down It's made for chopping a cable or a piece of metal or yeah, it's made to screw it up Yeah, you know and then resharpen it no big deal. It isn't an interesting how people get so excited about it tools Like we're talking about this. Yeah

There's something about that that's like, it's deeply satisfying to human beings to watch people create tools. Yeah. You know, it probably speaks to our past. You know, probably. Our primitive man. Yeah, I mean, when, you know,

there's this guy, J.M. Whitworth. We pulled up his page before. He's got a place out here in Texas and a huge ranch, and they sift through the dirt, and they have this very sophisticated method of finding arrowheads. Oh, cool. And they've found a shit ton of them.

He sent me a couple of them. They're really cool, but they're like these. Oh, sweet. Look at this. Look at this one right here. No way. Perfect. So these arrowheads that they're finding are amazing and they're all

like you got to think like how much craftsmanship is involved look how they found that there how much craftsmanship was involved in making look at so that he finds this in the sift there is so much workmanship in this piece look at that one man look how delicate that is that's incredible and look it's perfect. Look how you can see through when he holds it up to the light. It kind of makes you wonder, why are there so many out there? Well, because the Comanches roam this land. They're just shooting you.

This is the thing about the hill country. I found this out originally from reading Empire of the Summer Moon, which is this incredible book about the history of the Texas plains and the Comanches. Now, the Comanches, they roam this area specifically because there's so much resources with the lake and the river and the Colorado River goes through. It's rich with wildlife. A lot of Texas is desert, right? A lot of Texas is just flat and there's not a lot out there.

But here, it was so rich with life that they're out here all the time in the hill country. So they find a fuckload of their hour heads because this was like a special place hunting grounds yeah but it's also like so hilly it's so different than any other place in texas it's very different a lot of texas is flat but this is like all these beautiful hills and everything's green it rains all the time and all that shit contributes to wildlife and so it was a a rich area for them to settle in. So they find an arrowhead. Oh my god, it must be amazing to actually dig into the ground and find one.

I found one once, man, when I was on a hunting trip in Nevada, I found a small piece of an arrowhead and I fucking lost it. I don't know what happened. I put it somewhere and I fucking lost it. That's like for the SEAL Team guys when we find shark teeth. It's like, yeah, good one.

Crazy thing is when you see a megalodon tooth, you go what the fuck is that? And they're always fossilized, right? They're all mineralized so they're black and it's this big ass. I keep finding these 20 foot tall giant skeletons everywhere. If that was

real, do you really think the Smithsonian would destroy them? No, but why are there so many news articles on it in all these newspapers? They believe in gobbles. Probably just as many news articles about witches. I was going to say they're burning witches. They just got done. There's a giant. A few years ago they were burning witches.

Now they're writing about giants. There's a lot of stuff that I think about I don't always 100% believe, but I do want to look into it because if it was in the newspapers that many times, there's got to be something. I am. I just want to know stuff. That's my same feeling about like Bigfoot and UFOs. My problem is I want them to be real so bad that I don't look at it objectively. And what's that bias?

That's a confirmation bias. Yeah, but it's also it's just you want a very specific thing out of the data. And so you look for that and then you argue it but now i fight against that in myself so when i get all balls deep in in ufos then i have to back off and go wait a minute joe what are you doing you're believing this because you want it to be real so it's confirmation bias and uh there's a whole bunch of biases that we do that we want that to be true so bad that we cherry pick the data to make it true and I know I do that I know I have tons of biases and I try

not to again I commend you on your honesty because we all do and it's important to be able to say that and people don't like the idea of them being incorrect or holding ideas like I told you about that stupid fucking thing that I was obsessed with for at least a year the worms I need to see this because it's so stupid you're going to laugh at me that stupid fucking thing that I was obsessed with for, God, it was at least a year. The worms. The worms.

You gotta see this because it's so stupid. I do want to look at it. Find it flying rods. One time I was doing this thing for the UFC and I was doing a question and answer thing at one of the weigh-ins and this guy who was the guy who made that documentary waited in fucking line to tell me that his rods thing was real. And you're wrong, Joe Rogan. They really are out there like they have video that shows the things right next to the

same camera that that shows no thing it shows bugs like they know for a fact that one camera which was very fast camera can see the bugs in in catch them in their motion the other one blurs it. It's a video artifact. That's what they looked like. Look at that. Like that. Like that right there. What is it?

Flying rods, skyfish, a moth. So you see it in slow motion. See how it flies through? Oh, yeah. It's a rod. You'd say, oh, my God. You would say, there's rods with wings. They're flying through the air.

But no, that's just a video artifact. It's a bug with wings. And it flies by, and you see it it and you think that it's an alien. It's moving too fast for your eyes. I was reading and I can't remember who made this quote, but he was quoting that if it was sufficient, high enough technology, it would appear to be magic. Yes. And so the problem with that technology was it was high enough technology to catch the bug but only partly caught it. So it looked like magic.

But then when you get a higher tech that actually catches the bug, that's like more magic. And so what do we have going on right now in the universe that we can't figure out that we are calling magic? We're just waiting for the technology to catch up for us to realize what it really is. Which is probably what that gravity drive thing is. If Bob Lazar is telling the truth,

or if the Tic Tac people are being accurate with what they're seeing. That thing that just punches through space and time, that's probably operating in that way, whether it's ours or someone from another dimension or another galaxy or whatever, whatever the fuck it is that's doing that. Or the magic of the pyramids. Yeah. There's so much stuff out there we still don't know, and I wish science would be more honest with itself itself i don't think they're being dishonest about the pyramids i mean they never say we know how they made it they say these people made it they were highly skilled and they had incredible ability to align things and they did it and they did it 5 000 years ago with fucking no explanation how they're not excavating around them to try to figure out what all the subway tunnels are below

the pyramids they They're not? It doesn't, it seems like they stopped. Didn't they stop? Well, there's a guy that's in charge of all that stuff down there. This guy, Zawi Hawass, and he's very reluctant to accept any alternative theories other than the ones that they've been promoting forever. And so Graham Hancock has had issues with him, as has Robert Schock, Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University. He was the geologist that examined the Temple of the Sphinx and was saying that there's

water erosion here. They're redoing the Sphinx data. No, no, no. It's the outside. The Temple of the Sphinx is these giant blocks. And these giant blocks, they have real evidence of water erosion. But didn't it prove also the Sphinx was so much older than they thought? Well- So it changed all the Sphinx was so much older than they thought? Well.

So it changed all the timelines? They don't necessarily know, but the evidence shows that there is something that looks exactly like water erosion, according to geologists. So they're looking at like, there's people that dispute this, I should say. This is very important to say, but they don't seem to be There's a there's a denial of the reality of what you're looking at like if you look at like see if you pull up a video Of water erosion in the Sphinx the images are so interesting because it really does look like what something would look like if water cut Through it like there's a smoothness to it and it goes in these fissures that look but the last time there was water in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago.

So if that's true, then it has to be thousands of years of water to create this. So if Dr. Robert Schock from Boston University, who is a geologist, is correct, that all that erosion is caused by thousands of years of rainfall. Which means that thing is way older than they think it is. Because that means that those stones were cut somewhere earlier than 9 000 years ago because it had to be thousands of years of rainfall to create that so because of the fact they know that during that time that there was rainfall it used to be like a tropical rainforest down there which is also really interesting right like the sahara desert used to be a fucking giant forest i mean it used to be And castles and cities all over.

Probably, right? What about all the pyramids in China? Oh, yeah, that's true, too. There's a lot of pyramids in China that we can't even look at. Well, China itself. I mean, think about the fact that they've been around. That's one continually operating business. It's pretty goddamn impressive.

Pretty wild. What do they have, like 1.4 billion people, and they've been around for how long? 6,000 years or something. I don't know crazy 50 000 years crazy but there are a lot of pyramids in china that we're not even allowed to look at there's no archaeology there's no digs there's no nothing going on they just shut it down how about when they do these digs and they find like a whole porcelain army that's awesome that is wild shit you find like. And why would they do that? Why did they do that? Like, look at that.

They buried those. It doesn't even make sense. Like, how much money? Chinese ancient pyramids reveal their stunning secrets, Fox News, and this is all these- It's Fox News. I can't believe that. Yeah, they're a bunch of liars. But look at that.

That's like these trenches filled with these soldiers that are made out of porcelain. It's wild. Look at that, man. Think about the money and the time out of porcelain. It's wild. Look at that, man. That is fucking crazy. The manpower. Look at how many of them there are. Imagine discovering this. They must have been like, what the fuck are we looking at?

And I was like, why? I don't know, man. Like, imagine the manpower and the amount of money involved in making just one of those guys. I know and there's a thousand are Wonder how they found it the first time It's just the the human the history of the human race is so fascinating and you know Graham Hancock has this amazing saying that I think is pretty accurate He says that we're a species with amnesia And I think there's only so much that we have written down that we can 100%

rely on when it gets, when you get back to like 4,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago, this stuff gets super blurry. It's just guessing. Does your dog have to pee? We've been in here quite a while. It's pretty cool that you have this dog that's that trained. It's really interesting. How long have you had him? I've had him for about two years he's so well behaved and so so you he like he's focused on you he doesn't give a fuck about me we have a training group that trains all this other service dogs like that it's in Florida and it's run by a Purple Heart recipient and so for a lot of the veterans and if you Purple Heart recipient you get pretty high on the list if you want want a service dog, it's another nonprofit. Oh, that's nice.

Like I work with a whole bunch of nonprofits. They're all veteran focused. And the thing is, I talk to people and I say, hey, who do we donate to? You know, Wounded Warrior or is that one of them? Yeah. Yeah. It's those really big ones. I said, don't donate to the big ones. I said, what you need to do is you need to find one of the smaller ones in your local area so that you're keeping your donation local and you're giving it to a local charity that you look at and make sure they're A-rated by that group that rates all the nonprofits and make sure it's a small one, that their overhead is like they don't pay their employees because we're all nonprofit. If you do pay your employees, it's not a $200,000 CEO salary like Wounded Warrior and all those other guys do.

Find a local nonprofit. I said there's tons of them out there. You know, there's that one in Florida that I know of. It's called Valor K9. And you have ones called, you know, in New York there's a bunch of them. In San Francisco you have Swords to Plowshares. There's so many great small nonprofits within your community, within your city. That's who you should give the money to.

Because they get to those big national ones, all the money goes to overhead. It's just like if you want to help out, you really want to help out veterans, find a local nonprofit. Don't give me nothing. Don't give me a warrior or anything. Find your own that you can support. Well, Kristen, we've been doing this for three hours. I know.

I didn't even know. Isn't that wild? Yeah. We flew through it. I thought it was like four minutes. I'm glad we did this doing this for three hours. I know. I didn't even know. Isn't that wild? Yeah. We flew through it. I thought it was like four minutes. I'm glad we did this. It was really cool. I really enjoyed it.

What was like the really big thing that we wanted to talk about, though, was probably about the transgender athletes. We did it. We talked about it. What was like, was there anything else that was like, that anybody out there? Listen, we can do this again. Yeah. We can definitely do it again.

I really enjoyed it. And I think it's cool for people. You have a very unique perspective, becoming a SEAL and then transitioning while you're in civilian life, working as a contractor and explaining. This is very valuable for people to hear. And your honesty, like I said, really should be commended because it's hard.

It's hard to just open yourself up to people like the way you have. But I think you've done a lot of people a great justice by doing that. Because it, I think you do. I think you really do. I think it helps people. Also, there's a lot of people that really, really respect veterans and really, really respect SEALs.

And they might be hesitant to accept transgender people. So from hearing it from you, they have to respect you as a SEAL. And then they go, well well maybe I'm wrong about this and maybe they'll allow them to be more open minded and there's no weakness in being open minded there's strength it's good for everybody and there's no weakness in

compromise and I think that's one of the things we have wrong with our politicians right now is none of them will compromise yeah well it's just we gotta like find ways to like you said be cool that's probably the best way to end it. Yes. Hey, come on, man.

Can you just be cool? And tell everybody your social media. What's your website? What's the best way to get a hold of you or to see your stuff? So all of my social media is all the same tag. It's Valor4Us, V-A-L-O-R, the number four, U-S. And that's on Twitter and Instagram

and Facebook if you find Valor for us that's going to be me alright thank you thanks for doing this I'm glad we did it it was a lot of fun

I really enjoyed it and let's do it again after four years we'll do it again alright thank you bye everybody thanks Thanks.