The Joe Rogan Experience - #183 - Jason Silva

Episode Date: February 9, 2012

Joe sits down with Jason Silva.

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. See, and then it becomes a totally different thing. I love it, dude. I love the environment you've created here. Brian, is that a UFO? You're fucking tripping me out, man. The idea of artists using genomes or genes for their canvas, that is one of the most amazing new ideas that I've heard. Just that statement really makes you change the way you look at things. Like, oh yeah, really?

Well, especially when the guy that said that phrase is Freeman Dyson. He's considered the world's most eminent physicist. I mean, he's on par with Einstein. But he obviously is also a poet because the way he says it, in the future, a new generation of artists will be writing genomes with the fluency that Blake and Byron wrote verses. In fact, I just saw him speak at DLD in Munich, and he said that soon we'll have the entire biosphere in the palm of our hands. So imagine what that means. We might be like evolution's secret weapon.

It's inevitable, right? Oh, absolutely. It's inevitable. If you look at the progress that's been made, it's not going to stop. What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end, said Nietzsche. It's so amazing to be here right now while it's all going down. This is like the bottom of the funnel.

You know, we're... It's happening so fucking ridiculously fast. Well, you know what it is? It's the first time in history that we don't need time-lapse photography to be able to witness it. You know, it's like you don't see a plant growing but with time-lapse you can actually see that the plant is alive and that it's growing that if you could see human progress over just the last hundred years

through time-lapse you would literally see that it's like our thoughts spill over into the world i mean that's what human imagination is right our ability to conjure up future possibilities pick the most delightful one pull the present forward to meet it i mean the airplane the jetliner the internet it all started in somebody's mind or in a group of minds and then it kind of spilled over. Like we literally live in condensations of our imagination. Terence McKenna used to say that, which sounds psychedelic except it's literally true. Right? I've always thought that it's such a strange thing that the imagination is this invisible wistful thing that's inside your head that doesn't really exist. It's your imagination but from that comes everything that's solid everything

everything that's been created has been thought up in the imagination and somehow another and it's it's so weird that we sort of have this like flippant view of the imagination I mean we value creativity for sure but just the idea of imagining it's almost like it's like like get to work. Yeah, we value creativity, but we don't give it the kind of status that it merits. James Glick wrote The Information. It's a book that talks about how the fundamental building block of reality might actually be information.

He talks about it from bit, so everything is information. And he wrote a fantastic article where he talks about how it turns out that our ideas, ideas are just as real as the neurons they inhabit. And ideas, it's like a new kingdom that rises above the biosphere. And the denizens of this kingdom are ideas. Ideas have retained the properties of organisms. They have infectivity.

They have spreading power. They leap from brain to brain. They compete for the limited resources of our attention. And here's the most interesting thing. Even though ideas are not made of nucleic acid, they have achieved more evolutionary change at a rate that leaves the old gene panting far behind. So to say that ideas change the world or they transform reality

is not a metaphor. Ideas do transform reality. In fact, they transform reality better than biological evolution did. And Terence McKenna actually said that the moment that we invented language, biological evolution did. And Terence McKenna actually said that the moment that we invented language, biological evolution essentially stopped, and evolution became a cultural epigenetic phenomenon.

Because now we take in matter of low organization, it goes through our mental filters, and it pops out as iPhones and space shuttles. I mean, this is all the human brain, the most complex thing in the universe, that's producing the world that we inhabit, and so on and so forth. It's impossible. It's impossible to wrap your head around it's like the end of it it's like trying to figure out where it's going to go from here it's like what the fuck is going to happen what what what is going to be the next breakthrough that makes the internet look like you know like like a land line virtual reality right right terence mckenna also said we're each increasingly moving into

universes of our own construction right paola antonelli uh from the MoMA in New York City she talks about uh she did an exhibit called design in the elastic mind and recently they did an exhibit called talk to me about how we interface with our technological tools which is very much the whole Marshall McLuhan like first we build the tools and then they build us and uh she talks about existence maximum she says that you know personal personal iPods, for example, allow us to create customized playlists, so essentially we can all impose soundtracks on our lives, so we're each living in different universes

because we each are scoring our lives and instrumenting our lives in different ways, and reality, therefore, is further separated into individual subjective universes. So to say that we each live in our own reality is absolutely true. Instead of living in a sort of consensus trance, we're each increasingly moving into our own

customized utopias, our own lucid dreams. That's amazing. Is that really possible? Is that really what's going on? Is it all of our realities or imaginary things that we've created that are interacting with others? Well, Robert Anton Wilson talks about your reality tunnels. I mean, certainly there is an element of consensus reality where we sort of respect each other and acknowledge each other as

other entities that we share space with but um but certainly like how i perceive moment to moment reality is uh is edited by my preconceptions by my stereotypes by the way i was brought up by certain belief systems and so on and so forth. These things act as filters that skew how I perceive things. And we're all stuck in our reality tunnels. And people talk about illumination and shedding your reality tunnels to seeing sort of broader, more, you know, interesting, varied realities. And yeah, I definitely think that we're each, you know, in individual realities. individual realities. Do you think that we're gaining some new cognitive functions and some new abilities to read each other and to have insight into each other because of technology?

Yeah. I mean, I think that the first information technology was language in the alphabet, you know, and people always like criticize technologies. You know, when we invented writing, it's been said that Socrates used to say that you should never write anything down because it was gonna rot our brains and this technology of writing was this terrible thing and then it kind of becomes so embedded in who and what we are Jay-z rocks it too Jay-z and Socrates cuz Jay-z I've always been amazed that he doesn't write any of his raps down that's he's so brilliant he just keeps them all in his head.

And Everlast is the same way. He doesn't write anything down. Yeah, well, I mean, whatever works for each person, but I think that what... Yeah, they feel like they should, as an artist, be able to spew out all their best stuff. But even language and thinking is a technology too. I mean, we're still depending on various components of the brain to do a certain function. So I think this, what do we call this,

the skin bag bias? I mean, this assumption that it's better if it's all coming from within us. I think our actual minds are actually part of a dance between our brains and our environments and our tools. I mean, I outsource part of my cognition to the iPhone. There's a whole theory called the extended mind thesis. You literally create artful change in the world using the magic wand known as the iPhone. It stores part of your memory. It allows you to interface with reality and actually cause change in reality. Amber Case is a cyborg anthropologist.

She says our smartphones basically give us technologically mediated telepathy. SMS is basically sending your thoughts through time and space at the speed of light. By pressing a few buttons, you become telepathic. All you have to do is embrace the idea that that's a part of you. It's the extended phenotype that Richard Dawkins talks about, right? Termites build termite colonies. Termite colonies are part of this termite species. What we produce is part of our extended phenotype.

It's a part of us. It's not separate from us. I think that idea is crazy. So this is just connecting us to us. This is really just connecting us to us. Yeah. Enhancing who you are because you are the connection between you and all the other positive organisms around you. And the more you can keep that going exponentially, the happier

and the better life will be. Yes. This really is an enhancement of you. Emerged and evolved the same way biological functions and features emerged and evolved. Kevin Kelly's treatise on this, What Technology Wants, is fantastic. He talks about how technology has a direction, it has tendencies and whatnot. Ray Kurzweil, of course, who's a friend and hero. I mean, he says, our ability to create virtual models,

virtual reality in our heads, combined simply with our modest looking thumbs was sufficient to usher in literally a secondary force of evolution called technology. And it will continue at an accelerating pace until the entire universe is at our fingertips. And the thing is, people say, wow, how poetic, how metaphorical, except what he's saying is these exponential growth curves of technology

and then impregnating computation into matter with nanotechnology or impregnating man-made evolution into synthetic biology or artificial life. These convergence of these exponentially growing technologies are literally, you know, it's like Stewart Brand says, we are as gods and might as well get good at it. Like, having invented the gods, we can turn into them.

It's not to say like instead of praying for transcendence, let's engineer transcendence. Let's engineer ourselves into blissful, you know, utopic existence. Hopefully, or nuclear war. That's the other problem. The other problem is that man is also wicked good at blowing shit up. You know, like it seems like at our highest levels of technology, The other problem is that man is also wicked good at blowing shit up. It seems like at our highest levels of technology,

the best shit we have is the most impressive shit, is the shit that can just wipe things out. Has there ever been anything more impressive than atomic power? Has there ever been anything more impressive than the idea of just a reset button for a whole city? That's insane. The idea that that became an option. than the idea of you just a reset button for a whole city. That's insane. Yeah. The idea that that became an option. Yeah.

I mean, one has to acknowledge that, you know, technology extends who and what we are. And, you know, you can use the alphabet to compose Shakespearean sonnets or you can use the alphabet to compose hate speech. So something that extends your thought, reach, and vision, kind of like a scaffolding, can be used in any direction, but it's up to the cultural. So that's what the cultural conversation is all about.

That's where the story of who and what we are. That's where culture plays a key role. Right, but as a scientist, the scientists all have almost an obligation to chase down every idea. Well, that's what humans do. Yeah. So for them, it's like they have that justification. I'm sure they had it when they built the first atomic bomb that we must build it before the Germans, right? I mean, it wasn't that what they, that's probably what they wanted to make sure.

You know, the Germans could have easily done it to us first and then we would have been fucked. And that was the idea. Yeah, sure. I mean, that's, I guess, where a change in consciousness is as important as the power of our tools, you know? Yeah, easily. More important, right? It's like we have to grow up first before we can use all this crazy shit we have. And we're not necessarily completely grown up.

It's possible, though, right? Well, we're on our way. There's a great, Stephen Pinker did a TED Talk called The Myth of Violence. And he says that contrary to the media environment that, you know, if it bleeds, it leads, the reality is that the world is getting safer all the time. And the chances of a man dying at the hands of another man are lower than they've ever been. And he chronicles the decline in violence over the last hundred years,

and it's totally counterintuitive because it's totally not what you think. But this guy's well-researched, and it's unbelievable. Or Hans Roebling, who has a website called Gapminder that actually shows you the progress across the world and all the people coming out of poverty and all these things that are happening that actually point to things getting infinitely better across a variety of indicators,

and yet this is not what you hear on the news because it doesn't make the headlines because if it bleeds, it leads, and that's unfortunate. Well, I think it's just a numbers issue. I don't think we're supposed to have access to 300 million lives because if there's 300 million people and that's who we're including in our news

and this happened here and that happened there, you're going to get a lot of fucked up shit. But per capita, really not that much. Per capita, America's pretty goddamn safe. I mean, it's, you know, even the world has never been safer. The world's never been safer.

To have this many people and to be this safe, be pessimistic all day, but you've got to point towards there's some progress going on. Oh, absolutely. There's some sort of social progress going on. Well, I think that the TED conference, that's why it's such a sort of wondrous force in nature, because I think that they've brought back the academics and made them sexy. And the intelligentsia is out there chronicling all the progress that has been made in technology and entertainment and design and also pointing to what's wrong, but in a sort of smart, mature way. And that's a phenomenon like that, like makes me happy, like in an age of, you know, reality television, like we also have, you know, the TED conference and the TED talks. talks yeah i think it's i was thinking about this today in my car i was like this is the only time ever where people really uh as a whole group were exposed to all sorts of alternative ideas

without having to continue your education without without being you know like i think for a lot of our parents when they got out of school and you know and then they started working like what do they do they picked up the paper now and again you know I'm saying like what did you you heard what Walter Cronkite told you I mean writing news like your access to what the fuck was really going on was ridiculously small you didn't know anything they do work lost they were thinking Captain America was out there saving the world they were like little children totally the the difference between that and what your children are going to have,

the access they're going to have from birth, it's insane. It's not even the same species. It's not the same reality. Informationally, it's like it's not even the same reality. You're totally spot on with what you're saying. I don't think we even realize how crazy it is because we're caught up in this cyclone, and we just have accepted it. That's why they call it a singularity, and that's why it's such a great and you know it's not the only one we had a singularity when we invented language i

mean life after language is impossible to imagine i think to people on the on the other side of the line like pre-language beings cannot imagine what life after and it's only been a hundred thousand years you had a brilliant thing when you were talking online one of your videos yeah when you were talking about manhattan yeah and how you were described please say that okay absolutely there's a new book by David Deutsch he's a quantum physicist and genius it's called the beginning of infinity and I read this New York Times review of the book before I even found the book but it was like it was the guy was saying there was this mesmerizing intellect and just to give you an

example of where his head is at he, if you consider the topology of Manhattan as it exists today, so the physical topography of that entire landmass is no longer shaped by the forces of geology. Literally, geology has been trumped by the forces of mind manifested as economics, culture, human behavior. So we're literally artifacting landscapes now, like mind over matter literalized. And what he's saying is that that might ultimately be the fate of the whole universe and that gravitation and antimatter only govern the

universe at its least interesting stages. But where we're moving in terms of the ability of mind to shape reality reality as in the physical topography of manhattan and the world at large is that eventually that will be the fate of the whole universe so substrate independent minds impregnating intelligence into the cosmos we're talking like death star we're talking we're talking death type shit i was gonna say like a cosmic symphony during the crescendo stretching on forever. Wow. Or the Death Star.

Or the Death Star. Remember how badass the Death Star was? It could blow up a whole fucking planet. You better shut your mouth, bitch. They built a fake planet. We took on that? Come on, man. That's an amazing accomplishment as well.

If someone started building the Death Star, they would have to keep going. They would have to see if they could do it. it. You just can't fund that project, folks. Don't fund the Death Star project. The moon is going to be the Death Star. It's going to be Dick Cheney's head out in space. It's going to be a robotic Dick Cheney head. Actually, space is a very exciting frontier now with the privatization of space. We're going to see radical innovation. I mean, you have this new generation of techno-philanthropists. It has to be privatized, right? You have to let people try

because they're going to come up with some crazy shit. Not only that, but the people that are behind it are people who have made billions in the information age who have the resources of nation states. Now individuals, visionaries, private individuals have the power that only government used to have. This is actually talked about. That's what scares people,

that anybody could just build some rockets and just launch them on people. You know, it's like, that's where it starts from. I mean, the money behind all these space ideas, you know, let's go up in space. All that shit, it's military. They want to make sure that they have the ability to communicate, watch shit, drop bombs,

fuck you up, get to you quicker. I mean, that's what funds a lot of innovation when it comes to I mean yeah at first a lot of innovation has come from military research but it very quickly translates down to consumers It's just because of the money involved right? In the beginning

it's because of the resources required but I mean when you consider the fact that GPS on your smartphone today is largely free or that a person with a cell phone in Africa today has better communications technology than the U.S. president did 25 years ago. And, you know, a billion people buying smartphones for the first time, what they call the rising billion. They're coming online, joining the global conversations, a billion new minds coming on, coming online, you know, joining the global brain. I mean, it really is encouraging, I think. And you should talk to Peter Diamandis,

who started the XPRIZE Foundation and co-founded Singularity University with Kurzweil. He's got a new book all about how we can leverage emerging technologies to transform the world for the better, like infinitely so. It's called Abundance. So how come we can't get AT&T to keep a fucking phone going? How come we can't get that? How come we can't get a&T to keep a fucking phone going? How come we can't get that?

How come we can't get a call to not drop? Yeah. Is that possible? That's ridiculous. Why is that still going on? You know what? Phone calls still drop from time to time. They need to fix that wonky system.

The incredible shit that we have now, why AT&T? Why? We just can't keep up. Why do you keep fucking me, AT&T? Verizon doesn't fuck me like you fuck me. They all fuck up. They all use the same towers. No, they don't, you silly boy.

They have two totally different signals. Well, not Verizon and AT&T, but if you look at what's going on with Sprint right now and Verizon, I think it is, they all piggyback off each other's towers. Well, then I would go with Sprint, too, because Verizon's awesome. And AT&T can suck it. How about that? I'm not a fan of it. I have both, Verizon and AT&T.

But AT&T is definitely better if you want to be able to get online while you're on a call. Yeah, because you can't do it on Verizon. Yeah, you can't do that on Verizon. That is pretty cool. 3G technology. It's just you realize how great the iPhone is if you go to Canada. When you go to Canada, their cell phone system is way better than ours. They don't drop calls up there, it's fucking awesome.

Like Rogers, is that what it is? Rogers, yeah. Is that what it is? I think so. I think that the iPhone is the modern magic wand. I mean, when you consider the amount of magic, well Arthur C. Clarke, right? It's better than a magic wand, right?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. I mean, there comes a point when something, when an instrument of man is transcendent that it literally changes how he relates to reality. I think the iPhone is on that scale of innovation. I mean, if you were to show the iPhone

to somebody 200 years ago, they would have thought that you are a god. Right? I mean, that is a magical machine. Where are you when you're on a telephone call to the other side of the planet? I mean, they're hearing your voice or they're hearing a representation of your voice, except it's in real time and it responds to feedback instantly. Are you here? Are you there? Are you disembodied? Eddie Griffin had the best bit ever. I'm the guy who invented telephones. He goes,

how high you got to be to be sitting around going, I want to talk to someone who isn't even here. Totally. Totally. But see, you just hit the nail in the head about just how psychedelic modern information technology is. John Markoff wrote a book called What the Dormouse Said.

It's a true history of Silicon Valley innovation in the 60s. And it's all about how Douglas Engelbart and the Xerox PARC and all these people that were trying to augment human intelligence by any means necessary the birth of the computing revolution and uh and how they collided with like the counterculture and the psychedelic movement of the 60s and half of these engineers were all like tripping out and computers were all of a sudden reconfigured it wasn't these big like government centralized machines but no

computers could be extensions of the human mind i think tim Timothy Leary came out in the 80s and says, guess what, the computer is the LSD of the 90s. I mean, that's literally what it was. Because computers are what? Mind manifestings, expanding your sphere of possibility, expanding your mind. I mean, these are psychedelic slogans being applied to technology. And I think that that's spot on. I think you're right.

I think the interaction that you have with social networks, with Facebook and Twitter and message boards and stuff like that, it accelerates your sphere of ideas so incredibly. I think about not just because of people sending you fascinating things, but other people's points of view and comments on them. Sometimes it's one of the more interesting things. I'll watch a great video and i want to read the comments because you know every now and then you know you go wow that guy just put it in a unique perspective that i hadn't considered before totally i mean it allows you know spaces for innovation where ideas can have sex and it's this is like similar to genetic recombination in nature so ideas having spaces and liquid networks, as Stephen Johnson talks about,

spaces where they can complete each other, where they can intermingle, where they can fuse and recombine. I mean, we're having the primordial soup of human culture creating a new replicator. And these replicators are achieving more change than biological evolution ever did. And so that's where things get kind of crazy. What they call the noosphere

is this new thing that rises above the biosphere, where psyche, where mind lives. And guess what? Mind is now transcending time, space, and distance. We become post-geographical beings where shared passions can conjure self-organization and teamwork and collaboration and cooperation in these open spaces without entropy getting in the way, without having to get over there, the labor that it takes to get over there to meet that person.

What was the idea that McKenna had that there's like some transcendent object at the end of time that's pulling us towards it, and as we get closer to it, we become more like it? Is that what it is? I think that that was his metaphor. One crazy way of looking at it? Yeah.

I mean, the metaphor, everybody uses a different word. You know, Kurzweil coins it, the singularity, which is a metaphor borrowed from physics to describe what happens when you go through a black hole, which is to say all the laws of physics collapse. So you borrow that to describe this kind of event horizon that's just within our reach, where it almost becomes impossible to define or describe,

because at that point we're going to be so deeply intertwined with these new tools that are going to change the way we think and perceive and and are basically and mckenna might have a different name for it you know uh this guy used to call it the the omega point you know pierre de chardin this jesuit priest talked about a move towards the omega point i mean all the metaphors are there and uh i mean i definitely i mean we're already there we fly through the air and talk on the phone and surf the web in machines with wings on them over oceans yeah no shit where are we where are we that the plane thing is amazing that it's still the same thing it's still getting the tube flying the air like we haven't figured that that hasn't

really gotten any better well that's at that point, it's economics. It's just the price of fuel. I mean, they've become much safer. I think the chances of having an accident is like 1 in 125 million. Yeah, it's way safer. It's just still the same thing. It's still just crazy that it's the same thing.

Teleportation. Yeah, when's that going to pop up? Because it seems like this plane thing has been going on for a while. Like, really, that's it? That's as good as we can do it? I feel like there's some other shit. You know?

Oh, definitely. It'd be cool when we could transfer brains. Like, you have, like, an empty soul over on the other side. So you'd be like, all right, I'm just going to transfer my brain thoughts into another brain. Yeah, you could probably have a human copy. And that was Kurzweil's idea, right? To be able to copy yourself into an operating system or something? I mean, yes.

And that creates that philosophical conundrum because it says if you scan your brain and you put it in a computer, then which is you, that one or this one? But he says that that's not actually how it's going to happen. What's going to happen is more and more of our biology is going to be replaced by non-biological components, but it'll be millions of baby steps. So first you'll replace 5%, then 10%.

And eventually, after a bunch of gradual steps, you're all non--biological but you never felt any change yeah so that's how it's still you i know a dude who has an artificial knee and he was just telling me about his artificial knee and i was just thinking about a knee replacement and i was thinking about i was like wow this is how it begins he's just walking around the guy's got a fake knee dude he's just walking around totally he's bionic i know's amazing. We're already cyborgs. I mean, think about it. Our cars are exoskeletons. So are our airplanes.

These are suits that we put on that transform the way we interface. I mean, we're already cyborgs. It just looks like a Mustang. Yeah. Really. Yeah, it really is. That's why people want them to look cool. This is my cool suit.

I'm driving around in it. Yeah, and some people get a little freaked out, and they're like, oh, but this is unnatural. But it's actually not, because the same biosphere that sprouted human beings and sprouted flowers sprouted the microchip. I mean, Buckminster Fuller said, start with the universe. If you look at Earth as a planetary system,

everything that comes out of it is natural. That means that the microchip, the iPhone, is as natural as a tree. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what's amazing because it's following the same kind of momentum I think that began with the Big Bang and the self organizing properties that are just sprouting all these innovation evolution evolving its own evolve ability I think is the term that Kevin

Kelly is that insane it's insane right and it's a good antidote to existential malaise right I mean to the continuing the continuing fact of death the death sentence that hovers over human beings makes life very difficult we're very silly in that fact that we will people want to concentrate on that end and oh it's coming it's coming it's coming and like way before it ever gets there you fucking shit your pants on it you know it's like yeah it's gonna come but you've got to enjoy this you gotta learn how to enjoy this you have to the best way to be happy the only way to the only way to truly be happy is to do what you want to do and enjoy this. Oh, yeah.

You can make plans for the future, and you can discipline yourself, and you can set goals. That's all well and good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you better be enjoying this. Oh, you have to. Otherwise, you're being a silly person. Yeah, yeah. Well, you've got to find what gets you off and try to make sure that whatever gets you off is also functionally

productive yeah yeah so and yeah it doesn't put anything negative out there right and i you know carl sagan coined the term wonder junkie and i think that's like an awesome one to describe like you know a love of knowledge a lust to for ideas you know ideas recognizing the erotic power of ideas and to think that ideas are not these abstract things, but they're actually a thing that can change the world, right? As we've talked about. And it seems like every day. I don't know where these...

My ideas are just, it's weed's ideas. It's not even mine. I'm just barring them. I'm pulling them out of the sky. Comes through you, but not from you. Though it is with you, it belongs not to you. I'm an antenna for the mighty Shiva. Well, Timothy Leary said the brain is a transceiver.

But you know what's brilliant about what you just said is because you are creating a podcast now where you are putting out a variety of interesting ideas that reach all sorts of different people and inspires all these people. So you become a node because you reach millions of minds. You infect those minds with new ideas. Your ideas have virality, spreading power, infectivity. So think about yourself as participating in the evolutionary process, spreading your seed, as it were.

When I do think like that, I should have not been so mean to AT&T. I'm sorry. I don't know how hard it is to run a network. You guys were the first to have the iPhone. I appreciate you for that. I've been a loyal customer for years. It's not that bad. I was just making comedy.

I'm sorry. I do have a little AT&T guilt when you think about it that way. I put out some negative energy. I do like the fact, the reason I have the AT&T phone is so I can use the email and the internet. There you go. You use it more than you would think, too. I do. I use that a lot.

That's a feature I didn't think I would use, but I do. I'm sorry, AT&T. I was just fucking with you. You know, it's very interesting that you mentioned marijuana as something that helps you get ideas. Are you a cop? No, we're talking just about stuff that's been published. I think anybody who smokes marijuana or eats marijuana, especially eats it, anyone is going to tell you there's an enhancement there.

There's the idea of whether or not it's a performance-enhancing drug. I say it is. I say it is. I say it is. You know, I don't think you should be able to fight high. I think if a guy got in the UFC high, he might have an advantage, for real. I'm not kidding. A cognitive advantage. The real problem with it is that you could have gotten high a week ago,

and there's no way you're completely stone-cold sober. But when you take a drug test, the drug test will show that you test positive for marijuana. So you're not under its positive effects whatsoever. It's just the fact that it stays in your fatty cells. But it's continued illegality is a testament to sort of an intellectual stagnation in our society. I mean, even back in the day, Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln used to say prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason because it makes out a crime of things that are not crime by legislating a man's appetite. You can't tell somebody what they can do

in the privacy of their own home if they're not hurting anybody else. Particularly when so many artists are talking about how it has helped them in so many ways. Norman Mailer used to say it was divine for associations.

Carl Sagan, okay, my freaking hero, used to rave about marijuana. You should never say freaking when Carl Sagan, he's so legit, you gotta say fucking.

Oh, we can, fucking hero. Carl Sagan used to's so legit, you've got to say fucking. Oh, we can fucking hear him. Carl Sagan used to enjoy cannabis. And there was an actual article recently in a psychiatry journal that they looked at marijuana and creativity by studying semantic priming. And semantic priming means if you activate a word, it's immediate associations that get triggered in your head. So if I say bird, you think of wing, you think of flight. Those are normal associations. And it turns out that people that claimed that

marijuana made them more creative, it turns out that it induced a hyper-priming effect in them. So what that means is they cast a wider associative net. So when you said bird, they didn't just think of wings and flight. They thought of transcending one's limitations, going beyond one's limit, soaring above it all. They just cast wider ways of connecting the ideas to other ideas. And isn't that what creativity is all about? So for the first time, we were able to physiologically quantify the claims made by so many artists. And for society to still restrict that, I think it goes beyond the bounds of reason. It's not reasonable. I know so many people that benefit from it, and yet it's still illegal. It's completely illogical.

It's just clear evidence that someone is suppressing human behavior. Someone is trying to move forward this same exact culture that they're enjoying right now. It's a psychoactive capability thing as much as it is a thing about it as a commodity. That's one of the things that people don't understand. Marijuana is illegal because of its status as a commodity as much as it is because of its psychoactive effects. There's a lot of pharmaceutical companies that do not want it to be legal because it would be a natural commodity that would cure a lot of ailments that there are prescription drugs that are available for that people have patents on, and they stand to lose millions and millions of dollars. And that's where all their lobbying power,

their financial influence, that's where all that stuff comes into play. And that's why it's illegal. It's completely preposterous. And that's very embarrassing. It is embarrassing. It's very unfortunate. But I also think that advocacy,

people have never had more power to create grassroots movements. I mean, the same fuel that is fueling the Arab Spring, I think people can band together and demand change. I mean, the same way we took down SOPA, right? I mean, people can get together and create this advocacy and have ultimately the same lobbying power as these corporations.

I mean, that's something that the internet is allowing for. I think it's certainly moving in that direction, right? Yeah, I hope so. It feels like it. It feels like people are actually paying attention to what people, like the SOPA thing. People are actually paying attention to the reaction that people are having on the internet,

and they're going, okay, let's step back here, and let's reassess this. And I think ultimately it has to be the way that people decide on things. We can't go through all these wonky... Well, the hive mind is deciding. Yeah, it is the hive mind. I mean, people are going to hack it. How many? Really?

How much is... Really? You don't think they're going to be able to fix the hacks? Come on, man. There's always going to be a game like that, but it's still better. It'll be self-correcting. But that doesn't mean that you'd leave it in the hands of these crazy fucking die-bowl people

or any of these, you know. You've seen those documentaries on how they were able to fix voting machines, be able to change the results of them. There's been a lot of controversy. I grew up in Venezuela where, you know, we have a president that keeps supposedly getting reelected. Oh, no. As he, you know, imprisons his political opponents and appropriates, takes over private property, and rumor has it has been rigging the voting machines. So it's a problem.

I know that story, that rumor all too well. I don't know who used it. I don't know if it was used, but they do absolutely know for a fact that it's possible to change the votes. It's possible to change the votes it's possible to change the number and the scary those machines allowed a third party input so crazy so it's just amazing so they said they probably sold these to these crazy dudes that are running these fucking donkey countries man you know these strange countries in afghanistan you know i mean look like like those like warlord type dudes that are living those places. You know what someone told me? The best way they get information from those guys is they give them Viagra.

Like in Afghanistan? They give the dudes Viagra. Wow. And then they give up information on the Taliban. Like that. We're so silly. Wow. At the end of all of our technology.

Just a Viagra quick fix. Viagra for crazy warlord-type dudes living in the mountains. Wow. It's crazy. It's ridiculous. Where do you think we're going to be in 100 years, man?

Are we going to be living in some sort of a fake reality? Saturated universe of intelligence. Oh, virtual reality, I think, is definitely coming. I think once we hack the nervous system, we won't have to interface with cyberspace through these square little devices.

It'll be like Neuromancer. William Gibson says that cyberspace tapped into our sort of instinct that this information world, information is spatial, and we want to cruise these digital realms. It's like The Matrix, except not a dystopia. Why does the Matrix have to be a cautionary tale?

I like the idea of going into my own private universe or like the lucid dream in Vanilla Sky where the universe is sculpted based on my preferences and moods. I render things into existence at a faster and faster rate. I mean, we already are living in a world that's shaped by the mind. It's just that the buffer time is shrinking as the tools get more powerful eventually the speed of thought will render things into existence at that sort of light speed that's where we're headed jesus christ how far away is that how far away is the speed of thought making material things well out of the

ether once we could once that's like a psychedelic trip. It is like a psychedelic trip. That's a psychedelic... It offers a glimpse of the world that's created by mind. We already live in a world made of language. I mean, everything we inhabit is an objectification of the imagination, as Terence McKenna said. Terence McKenna, you know, people say, oh, he was just about advocating psychedelics. He was about much more than that. Terence McKenna was a futurist, a poet, and a technologist in many ways who understood the transformative power of... And even if he wasn't, it was cool to just listen to him talk.

Oh, he's genius. The dude had such a crazy way of phrasing things and putting things together. Yeah, insane. He's a really interesting dude. Insane. You know, the first time I ever did DMT, I actually heard him talk in my dmt trip it was the

strangest fucking thing ever wow it was so strange because i don't know if you've ever done anything uh you ever done anything like that dmt no i can't say that i have although i've read a lot about it um very curious just haven't found the set and setting in time mckenna always used to talk about heavy psychedelic trips. One of the things he said is, do not give in to astonishment. There's a voice inside the DMT trip that tells you, do not give in to astonishment. That's the first time I did it, I blasted through. You could literally hear it, but you don't hear it.

You don't hear it, but it's's saying do not give in to astonishment i was like wow this is the craziest shit ever yeah yeah yeah well that's uh i just i it's like i love the word astonishment because it's like what i mean it's like what he's teasing at is is is this idea of astonishment wonder awe like rapturous awe to be pulled from context you know tom robbins tom robbins the writer he he's a comedian as well maybe or something but he wrote about this guy Tom Robbins was writing about psychedelics and he said the plant genies as this is say marijuana or other psychedelics the plant genies do not necessarily manufacture imagination or wonderment it's not that they make you

more imaginative but what they do or what they can do is pull us out of context so dramatically that we end up gawking in amazement that the ubiquitous everyday wonders were culturally conditioned to ignore but you don't need drugs to be pulled from context that's just one way that some people do it you can do it by traveling you can do it falling in love you can do it by having the rug pulled from underneath your feet illumination just be inspired yes because we you know but then we have this other thing called hedonic adaptation, which is what trumps everything that's always around becomes invisible.

And that's why we always need novelty, because we don't appreciate what we have because we get used to it, because the brain gets used to it. That's a terrible disease. Hedonic adaptation is the first cure with bioengineering that we need to fix. Yeah, we need to fix that. So that we can be perpetually open and in awe. You know what I'm saying? But really, it's about finding ways to remove yourself from context, different perspectives,

new thoughts, new spaces, new ideas, right? The hunger for it, the constant hunger for it. I have it because otherwise I go into the darkness. Like if I'm not in awe, I start thinking about human beings. We're the only species that's aware of our mortality. And this causes cognitive stress. What do we do with the fact that no matter how much we create, how many people we fall in love with, we're all just food for worms in the end?

So you're essentially like an awesome collector of ideas. Kind of. A friend of mine called it digital DJing. You have a lot of creative ideas of your own, but you have an awesome collection of these ideas. And do you feel like that's your calling to get that out there? You obviously have a very unique and well-studied

perspective. When you're talking about all these things, you're obviously very passionate about it. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to get other people hip to this? Yeah, we'll agree. Get everybody to strap in and prepare yourself? Yeah. Come along for the ride? Yeah. Come along for the ride.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Wow. Because when you start saying shit like this, a lot of the things you've said in these videos, you're putting these little seeds in the heads of people all over the world that may not necessarily have ever thought that idea before. That's a powerful thing, man. Yeah.

Well, one of my heroes is Timothy Leary, and I also really love Bucky Fuller. And they used to call themselves performing philosophers, you know, taking intergalactic sized ideas and using the power of media communications to spread those ideas. People like Marshall McLuhan did it as well. Yeah, McKenna did it as well. McKenna did it as well. You know, performing philosophers, you know. Leary said in the information age, you don't teach philosophy, you perform it.

If Aristotle were alive today, he'd have a talk show or a YouTube channel or a podcast like the Joe Rogan podcast. I mean, you in a way are the modern day Aristotle spitting forth ideas and inspiring people. But I'm saying, proof of concept. I used to make people

eat animal dicks on TV and I'm sponsored by a fake vagina. Well, no, but I'm saying... Don't you dare, sir. Proof of concept. I'm basically saying that we used to talk

about ideas in these forums. These Greek philosophers and Roman philosophers would talk about ideas, and people would just ruminate about ideas. And you're providing a space for that. So that's kind of cool. And I'm trying to do that too. In the short videos that I launched, we call them shots of philosophical espresso.

Yeah, they're brilliant. I love them, man. You put a bunch of them on Vimeo, and they're so stunning, and the visuals are so in tune with what you're saying. Thanks, man. They're really good. What's the best way for people to find these?

What is the Jason Silva Vimeo? Actually, yeah. If they just Google Jason Silva Vimeo, my Vimeo page has all of the videos, which is fantastic. How many do you have? I think I have like 28 videos in there and they're all different. I have the shots of Philosophical Expresso. Then I have a series called The Human Condition where I look at like, oh, are we watching one?

Okay. Dude, just take a bong hit and watch his shit, all right? That's what I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen. That's what you need to do. This is, oh, there you are. You do it from the beginning so people can hear this because this is such a trip. This is, you can't start this while we're here. Nice.

Two, one, zero. I am very much an optimist. I'm reminded of Rich Doyle's line from Darwin's Pharmacy. He says, dreams do not lack reality. They are real patterns of information. Or when the imaginary foundation says that the role of human imagination is to conceive of all these delightful futures,

choose the most amazing, exciting, and ecstatic possibility, and then pull the present forward to meet it. That is what we do. We bring our imaginings into existence. But I think that as technology has advanced, we have found ways to outsource our mental capacities to our tools so much more. Our ability to manipulate the physical world has increased in an exponential fashion, so

we've been able to shrink the lag time between our imaginings and their instantiation in the real world. David Deutsch speaks in his new book, The Beginning of Infinity. He says, if you look at the topography of the island of Manhattan today, that topography is a topography in which the forces of economics and culture and human intent have trumped the forces of geology. I mean, the topography of Manhattan today is no longer shaped by mere geology. It's shaped by the human mind, and by economics, and by culture. So what David Deutsch extrapolates is that ultimately that would be the fate of the whole

universe. He says gravitation and antimatter might only shape the universe at its earliest and least interesting stages, but eventually the whole entire thing will be subject to the intent of substrate, independent, infinitely more powerful minds. And to conceive of that, just, it makes me feel ecstatic. Dude. Are you fucking kidding me, man? Are you fucking kidding me? That might be one of the best two-minute videos on the web.

How many minutes is that? I think less than two minutes. Whatever that is. That might be one of the best two minute videos on the web how many minutes is that i think less than two minutes whatever that is that might be one of the best videos on the web that is a bong hit wonder well you know it's i used to awesome the word that i always love to use is epiphanize i want to epiphanize people to give them a download to give them a micro psychedelic trip but one that is scripted see you don't want to be tripping in a scrambled with space with no context you want a scripted transcendent experience and i think with these videos what i was trying to do is take inspiration take an epiphany which is usually a lonely experience that happen in happens in one's head and what is the goal of every artist but to try to communicate his ecstatic vision through paint, through instrument, through voice?

What I'm trying to do is reverse engineer inspiration, turn it into a visual form, and transmute that, putting you in my head during these glimpses of nirvana that I'm literally having. I'm getting you off on awe because that's how I get off on my own, on the awe that I have when I make the videos. Well, and you enhanced it all with these amazing videos. The videos and images behind it were awesome. It was really perfectly edited. It was very compelling. Yeah, I worked with a magnificent editor. Her name's Maria.

She's from an entity called Not This Body, and it was a wonderful collaboration. It's such a fucking cool thing about the internet, man. You could just do something like that. Boom! Throw it up there. Pow, people download it instant. Totally. And it's non-commercials.

Right to the people. No commercials, no nothing. PSAs for inspiration. It's amazing. Yeah, totally. Yeah, and think about all the positive that that does. That's the real ripple effect, man. That's an amazing ripple effect.

Absolutely. I mean, yeah. That's the big get-off for it is that people enjoy it. That's when you really realize at some point in time, there's some bizarre connection, which we in all the human beings on this planet, all of us together, there's some weird sort of electrical, you know, some some some connection that we all share. And if you disturb it, if you put shitty stuff out there, you're gonna feel it back. You really are. Yeah, but when once we understand that we

Control our environments totally all just be really fucking cool to each other We can like amass a whole hive of people who get that concept dude rich Doyle wrote a book called Darwin's pharmacy It's about sex plants and the evolution of the new sphere and he says that one of the things that psychedelics do for some people is they make us aware of the feedback loops between our creative and linguistic choices and our consciousness. In other words, we become aware of the power of the things that we do and the things that we surround ourselves with and the power that those things have to literally shape our experience of reality.

Like the world is seen different when it's set to music or when it's set to a certain kind of lighting, or when you surround yourself by certain kind of people. People think that inspiration or living an inspired life is this haphazard thing, you can't plan for a transcendent moment. It's not true. You can curate your spaces the same way you curate your Facebook wall, or the people you follow on Twitter,

to set the emergent conditions for serendipity. To constantly be in a state where like, wow, I'm just meeting so many interesting people. Well, because I've made the choice to surround myself in vortexes of interesting people. One of the ideas that McKenna had when it came to psychedelics, especially to mushrooms, was that what you're experiencing, and one of the reasons why it's so consciousness expanding, is that what you're experiencing when you take in the mushroom is the accumulation not just a psychedelic experience but the accumulation of the psychedelic experiences of all the human beings before you that have taken it and that's one of the ideas why there's so much wisdom in a psychedelic experience that's like one of the humility

answers for so much humility in the psychedelic experience. And also so much of a perspective enhancer that you're taking in this connection, which is why I think you can pull information out of it or hear people talk in it. Sure. That's one of the weird things about the psychedelic experience, when it gives you information, when it talks, when someone is actually communicating with you. Well, one of my favorites is Joseph. Things that you've read. Totally. No, no. Joseph Campbell, who's one of my favorites is Joseph. Things that you've read.

Totally, totally. No, no, Joseph Campbell, you know, who's one of my heroes. Oh, yeah, I love him. He talks about the hero's journey, which is the ultimate archetype for human illumination. He's done a lot of lectures about the psychedelic experience as very, very literally an experience of the hero's journey. I mean, consider the steps, you know,

because the hero's journey obviously can be a geographical journey, right? Like go into the unknown, you know, step away from the ordinary, transcend obstacles, have an apotheosis and a rebirth and a realization about life, and then come back and make the return with that illumination. But see, isn't that what happens anytime somebody partakes in a psychological trip? Well, what I was going to say is I think that's what happens when I watch your video. When I watch your video, I believe that's a psychedelic experience. It is.

It manifests the mind. Yeah, it's information coming through stunning visuals. And it's imprinted. Totally. You get the impact of it. Totally, totally. That's really what the pull of it all is, isn't it? I mean, what you did and you accomplished in that,

that sort of is what the pull of all this stuff is, right? To get something that really, really inspires. To perform an inception. Yeah. To just, boom, just give them an explosion of new idea. A hundred percent. When you hit people with that, when that goes out there and blows up on them, you're literally like pushing them off one path, even if it's just for a few minutes until their bullshit

kicks in, their fucking husband calls them and their kids are screaming. But for at least a couple of minutes, man, you're pushing them. You're pushing them in the right way. Wow, it's amazing to hear you say that. And one of my favorite films is Inception, which was absolutely magnificent. I didn't really like that movie.

Well, you should read it. I loved it. I liked it a little. No, no, no. But there were some parts where I was like, wait a minute, this is like a video game. You need to see it. He's running around shooting people.

This is silly. No, no, no. He's on slow mode. He's on child's mode. It's not even a real... You know what I'm saying? It was like a video game. You need to see running around shooting people. This is silly. No, he's on slow mode He's on like child's mode. It's not even a real, you know, I'm saying it was like an old movie You know check out the book the inception in philosophy But um because it talks about there's some layers in that film But one of the ideas is that the entire film is actually a metaphor for filmmaking because think about what filmmaking is you create a Dream you bring the audience into that dream and hopefully they fill it with their subconscious

Which is what we do every time we watch a film We relate to the characters based on a set of experiences that we have had in the moods that we're already in when we go Into the theater and if the film is successful it performs it performs an inception and it gives us catharsis literally the film breaks through the screen and becomes real in the watcher and isn't that what happens when you have a psychedelic experience and it transforms you or when you have a Geographical you take a trip somewhere and it transforms you or you know when you actually take a or when you watch a psychedelic experience and it transforms you, or when you have a geographical, you take a trip somewhere and it transforms you, or when you watch a movie and it transforms you, or you have a dream, and the dream gives you illumination. The point is, if you have catharsis in a dream, or in a film, or in a psychedelic trip,

or in the Euclidean meat space, it's all real. It doesn't matter how you get it. That's why William Gibson says that the so-called distinction between the real and virtual world is what we're going to laugh at in the future, because there is no distinction. When you watch a movie and you're immersed in the film, you're crying from the film it happens to you it becomes real so too when you somebody might you know be on a psychedelic and have a transcendent vision and people say oh that's just because he was on the drug no the vision was real while he had it dreams are real while you're

in them and if the vision can translate you know it wears off, when you leave the movie theater, then you know that you've found something valuable. Genuine illumination. That's a fascinating idea, right? It is a fascinating idea. And the idea that it's somehow or another going to be 3D. It's going to be all around us eventually. Cinema.

Films and stuff. We're going to watch movies take place like all around us. You'll be in a world, a virtual world. Imagine being inside Zookeeper, Joe. Jesus Christ, that's incredible, Brian. It's kind of amazing. I mean, we're the naked ape. Terrence McKenna says that we ate psychedelics when we left the savannas.

What do you think about that? When we left the jungles of Africa and went into the savannas, our diets changed. We picked the magic mushrooms from the cow dung. We started tripping. He says it might have been a catalyst for language. And you know why I think it's a very compelling idea? Because we don't exactly know how language emerged. But he points to the fact that some psychedelics have a synesthetic effect.

And synesthetic means that it blurs the different senses. So you see sounds or you hear sights. And if you think about it, language is synesthetic. I use vocal patterns to transmit images to your brain wirelessly. Language was the first information technology that allowed me to transmit information through time and space outside of just DNA, having sex with other DNA. And so the synesthetic power of information technology might have been triggered by the synesthetic effect of the magic mushroom. That's the stoned ape hypothesis. And I think it's a brilliant theory for sure.

That's a really interesting way of putting it that I haven't heard said that way. That it connects making noises with the images. That's synesthetic. Yeah. So language is – people don't realize this. It's amazing. Language is synesthetic. It's amazing. And that's why chimps haven't figured that, you know? Language is synesthetic. That's amazing.

And that's why chimps haven't figured that shit out yet. And then the naked ape, you know? What if we just start giving chimps mushrooms? Maybe we should do that. Maybe we should do that, man. Maybe we should have some just gigantic compound where we feed shrimp. But just to see what's up. Feed shrooms to chimps.

That would be the most badass scientific experiment of all time and just a total planet of the apes type movie do you think could you imagine if you did it for like three generations and then they started becoming people and they're like stop stop the experiment well there's some great there's some there's some great cartoons that i've seen on the internet like illustrations showing this stone ape hypothesis and you see like a bunch of monkeys like walking around you know whatever and then they like eat the mushroom and then they're like in their heads they start seeing like rockets flying to the moon and satellites and cell phones and cities buildings erected from the ground i mean think of how psychedelic that

sounds to you know to early man right like a city new york a jet engine next to like a caveman right how do you make the leap from that to that well you would think that that leap might be more easy if the ape is tripping right yeah we should totally see how that works if they're willing to put monkeys in cages and try mascara out i'm sure they probably have but you think they've been given chips there's definitely scientists in some lab that are fucking giving mushrooms you but I don't know if you can advocate that because if the the chimp can't give you his permission so what if he has a that's true so you leave the mushrooms if what happens happens a what the fuck I just think it would be a fascinating thing to watch could you imagine if they did it

for like six seven generations and chip started losing hair standing up straight it starts slowly turning into people and then became all this political pressure when they started looking like people. Closest one to a person yet. You see this chimp going, get me the fuck out of here. They probably just... Well, Hollywood prepares us. They make a lot of cautionary tales about cyborgs or

intelligent robots. It would be amazing, though, if it was just mushrooms. They probably would just go from throwing poop to wiping their poop all over their own body. Making poop castles. You guys have probably seen 2001 A Space Odyssey. You might think that maybe the monolith, when it first appears, when the monkeys finally learn how to use tools,

the monolith is just kind of a placeholder. It's this weird shaped figure. Maybe it's a placeholder on purpose because it's a metaphor for the mystery. What happened when we went from just being apes to apes that use tools? Well that's metaphor maybe that's the mushroom the monolith is the magic mushroom that kind of catalyzed the use of tool and at the moment that the ape picked up like a branch on the floor to use it to reach a fruit on a really high tree

he became one with his tools we used our tools to extend the boundaries of who and what we are and then we went to the moon and then who knows what's next. Kurtzweil was a genius. He is a genius. Like putting like meaning into scenes and having scenes represent things that are actually taking place in the real world there's a some crazy guy named Jay Weidner I think his name is who actually sat down and documented all the connections to the moon landings and all sorts of different things inside the work of Kubrick's The Shining. Okay. To the little boy wearing an Apollo rocket sweater, to the room number being some number that has something to do with the launch time.

It was a really amazing thing. It has something to do with the launch time. It was a really amazing thing. Kubrick, he constructs a world, or he did rather, he's gone, but he constructed a world that was not just like the surface, but there was hidden meaning to all these different things that were going on. Brilliant, right? He was way, way, way ahead of his time.

He was just out there, man. that guy had some fucking wild ass movies a clockwork orange are you kidding me yeah yeah i remember watching that movie going god damn this guy's going deep yeah well can you that's why filmmaking i think is the most transcendent art form of our times because we're literally able to create virtual worlds that can transform our consciousness, like reprogram our brain. I mean, I think cinema, I think a gifted director is like the closest thing we have

to a deity in the secular world. I mean, what they create, what bursts forth in the cinema when your brain is tweaked to the film in the right way is, to me, the modern version of a religious experience, right? Yeah, what's homeboy, the dude who did Alien? What's that guy's name?

Ridley Scott. Ridley Scott, thank you. He's doing the new one. Prometheus. Oh, my God. It looks sick. When you hear that Ridley Scott is doing another Alien movie, you go, God damn, this is going to be a wild two hours of my life.

I'm going to sit down and I'm going to watch some crazy shit for two hours. Hopefully he doesn't George Lucas it. No, he won't. He won't. Ridley Scott is not going to do that. He's not going to do that. He wouldn't do that. That's what we used to say about George Lucas and then he made Jar Jar.

Dude, but listen, no one but Ridley Scott was capable of that first one. That first alien was a motherfucker. That was one of the greatest horror movies of all time, man. That thing was fucking terrifying Yeah, a thing that jumps on your fucking face shoots a load down your throat a monster emerges out of your chest with an Explosion and then just fucks up everything and no one can stop it Which which aliens had the milky middle guy where he gets ripped in half and all the milk came out Hmm, you know I'm talking about like here's like a robot and he got split open and all this like like robot juice flew over I think

maybe aliens aliens oh you don't oh no I don't remember that man I remember there was Sigourney Weaver had like a crazy spacesuit on that she put the fight off the aliens remember that yeah never there was some like crazy robotic you bitch back off like she's gonna fight this fucking super You know super sized beasts regular aliens were scary enough Yeah, this was the crazy Queen one and she's kicking the Queen's ass not as good as alien one It was they went a little crazy. I got a little Hollywood. They tried out do themselves more much like the new fear factor It's like if you went back to the the premise of the first alien the first alien

It was she was way scarier that alien was fucking horrifying. You know like you couldn't see it It's like if you went back to the premise of the first alien, the first alien, it was, she was way scarier. That alien was fucking horrifying. You know, like you couldn't see it. You didn't know where it was. Then it would just jump out of some jack people. And the second aliens, they're killing them left and right. Like running on the hallway, the aliens are coming out and they're like, they're stupid

now and you could just shoot them, you know, before they would, you know, they would sneak up behind you and they were intelligent and they were, you know. Well, you want, you want the film to always be high concept. I mean, if you want to throw some action in there to people to entertain, but you always want it to be high concept so that if you're into the ideas, you can also be entertained. That's why I like metaphysical science fiction. The first one, though,

was on that level. The first one was just absolutely brilliant. It was one of the greatest horror movies of all time. There you go. But the second one, man, you got crazy. It was good. And the third one, forget about it. No, I liked it. I'll watch all of them, dude.

I even watch Aliens vs. Predator. I'm a sucker. I'm stupid. I'm like a 14-year-old boy. My taste in movies. But that was a terrifying movie. But you were right. That guy has created a world.

He's like a god. Entire worlds, man. He's like a god of this mini world. What comes next what's going to be the next immersive transformative entertainment technology you know someone was talking about james cameron they were talking about how demanding james cameron was all james cameras like this fucking paints the wrong paint i wanted this color i want to and you know and everybody was like wow god he's so crazy so demanding i was like that's the only way you get to be a james cameron you

know how the fuck do you make something be a james cameron you know how the fuck do you make something like titanic how do you make a movie that big you better be a bad motherfucker you better be running shit dude you can't you can't half-ass and pussyfoot that fucking movie you're gonna have a movie about a giant metal ship that crashes into the ocean and it's got to be a compelling movie as well well who wouldn't want to direct a film if you could? Because essentially, you're God. You control every variable that you want. Dude, look at the Titanic.

They didn't sink a ship to make that movie. That was all digital. They're going to make that in 3D. They're releasing it. That's incredible. But the idea of that kind of technology to recreate reality,

that's when your idea of recreating a full reality doesn't seem so far off. Not at all. We already do it. That's what I'm talking about. We already do it, man. Get on a plane, reserve it with a wireless iPhone. Make a reservation. A few days later, get on a craft that flies you around the world to a place

where no one knows your name and you have no memories. Holy shit. Yeah, holy shit indeed you know what's probably going to be like the next big jump is being able to go to a movie theater and control it i think we've talked about it oh yes you know what i mean yes so yeah but what's crazy is that i think actors are on the way out i mean that there's there was an only hope there was a video that was posted on Vimeo the other day on Kotaku, and it just kind of shows you what the next level of Xbox, PlayStation, what the CGI looks like for that. It's very close to being – look at this video real quick.

It's really close to being just scary sketchy. Oh, my God. I mean, it's like – look how – you can see the pores. You can see like – It's kind of like a zit from cut from shaving. Yeah. It's incredible. So this is an example what the next Xbox type PlayStation console would be.

And this is just fucking video games for your house. Dude, this doesn't even look real. Yeah. It looks like Tobey Maguire or something like that. But like someone's bullshitting us. Like someone made a fake video to pretend. No, I think what it is, I think this is based on a new texture technology that's going to be used in upcoming platforms for games.

So they need to make the supermodel version of that. Okay, now that looks a little wonky. Just a touch. Just a touch wonky. It's his eyelashes or lack thereof. But what's cool is that this is just one artist using the technology. Imagine when we start having the really good artists play with these tools.

There's painters that can paint a face that looks like a photograph. Right. This is incredible. Yeah. What I was saying was that if you made this with a video camera with your friends and pretended this is the new technology,

it would look similar to this. Yeah, just have a little shake cam to it. That would totally look real. Yeah, if you captured the newest said, you captured the newest technology. This is what the government is doing now. They're creating fake news. Yeah, yeah. Well, then I think, yeah,

the next paradigm will be a film experience that adjusts, the choose-your-own-adventure film experience, you know, based on your decisions. Immersive virtual reality games, you know, like that movie Existenz, actually, had a very interesting Cronenberg film.

They could create a fake reality one transmitted fake reality and then a real one that you could hide behind. And then go into it and have like a journey and have something

that you have to do and have something you have to accomplish. You can be like the James Bond or the Indiana Jones in the narrative. Jeez. What if you die in there though?

Maybe make it so you wake up. What if you get crushed? Like you just wake up. Yeah. What if there's like glitches every now and then you die in there though maybe you wake up like what is he crushed like you just like yeah what if there's like glitches every now and then you die for real it'd be like dying in a dream bitch want to be indiana jones huh do you think dying in the dream like that we're not thinking that that can't be good for you right like there has to be like every time you get you die in your dream it's like getting hit in the head really hard like a part of your brain things are dead

still or something i literally don't like dying in my dreams. It's very weird and I'm always so relieved when I wake up. I'm like, thank you, thank you. Isn't it funny that a lot of people

hate life, like God, I'm so miserable, but yet, they're happy when they don't die in their dreams. Exactly.

You're not in your dreams going, God, you fucking pussy, take me. You know, it's interesting, you talk about like

not appreciating life or hating life. There's a great documentary know it's interesting you talk about like not appreciating life or hating life there's a great documentary it's called flight from death the quest for immortality and it says that basically it it cites the work of ernest becker who was uh if you saw annie hall it's the book that woody allen gives annie hall in the bookstore about the human condition it's called the denial of death and it's a 1974 Pulitzer Prize winning book. And it says basically that we're essentially gods with anuses. With our minds, we can ponder the infinite.

We're seemingly capable of anything, yet we're housed in a heart pumping, breath gasping, decaying body. So we are godly yet creaturely. We can write poetry and build skyscrapers, but ultimately we're food for the worms. And that is the problem of the human condition. Ultimately, the source probably of the impetus to be so creative,

to transcend this condition symbolically and artistically. But he says even romantic love, in a way, is a way of dealing with the human condition. You turn your lover into a deity. She becomes your salvation. That's why all the pop songs says she's like the wind, she's like the sun. She provides the salvation that God no longer provides in a secular society, right? Because we have grown too sophisticated for religion,

but we still need to work on our existential problems. So then we do it with our lovers, or we do it through creative acts. And ultimately, using science or technology to transcend the human condition might be the ultimate solution to the Becker dilemma That's why I'm totally pro a Manhattan Project to transcend death like all about it Yeah, do you do you find that when you do the calculations as far as like, you know human population The growth of technology do you find a point? Are you seeing where this is going to wind up? Well, technology is a resource-liberating mechanism.

People talk about scarcity, but scarcity is contextual. Something is only scarce until you figure out the technology that makes it into something abundant. This is what Peter Diamandis' new book talks about. Like where our dependence on fossil fuels. We think this is the only way to fuel things. Once we transcend that technology, we get 10 times more power every day from the sun, you know, that we could ever use. Right. And we just have to figure out a way to capture that energy.

And people talk about overpopulation. But the reality is you could fit the entire world's population in the state of Texas. There's still be plenty of space. The problem. Yeah. The whole world. Oh, yeah. The problem is resources. Seven billion people in Texas, Brian. Can you imagine what the airport would look like? Well, what happens, it's an issue of resources, right? But if you have like nanotechnology or in vitro meat, tissue engineering, growing all the meat you could ever. Even PETA supports in vitro meat. Really? You could take the stem cells from an animal.

What if you give it a brain? Stem cells from an animal meat sounds like it could be good. Yeah, stem cells from a cow and grow all the meat you could ever need with no nervous system so no animal is suffering. Never kill another cow. You better keep this formula away from the fleshlight people. I'll tell you what. I'm interested in that.

That's the future. So people talk about, you know, or have you heard of aeroponics? Have you heard of aeroponics? Aeroponics. Growing fruits and vegetables in mist on these vertical farming towers with this special mist. And you don't have to worry about the poison and all the spraying and damaging the farming, the land. So the mist contains minerals and water?

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's amazing. It's like hydroponics, but in mist. Grown in mist. Holy shit. Right.

And people don't know about this stuff, but it's absolutely insane. That's incredible. Yeah. That's a beautiful idea. That's what I'm saying. Wow. Growing vegetables in mist. That's incredible. That's a beautiful idea. That's what I'm saying. Wow, growing vegetables in mist. In vertical towers where we can just grow all the vegetables we could ever need and genetically engineer it to have better

vitamins. Yeah, but you can't let Monsanto do that. Well, it's not going to be Monsanto. Just like computers used to be these big centralized grids and now everybody has an iPhone. Or just like GPS used to be this big government thing and now everybody has GPS on their phone. These things will trickle down and empower individuals.

Biotechnology is not going to be Monsanto. Biotechnology is going to be the domestication of biotechnology. It's going to be personalized medicine, personalized software upgrade of your physiology. It's not going to be these big government things. Do you think there will ever be like a place where you go and you can become a new person? Sure. I want to be a black chick just for like a year. Yeah.

Go to your doctor. To become your lover. To have sex with your lover and become them. A black chick. How about having sex with your partner and merging your nervous systems together? I mean, we've been trying to merge into one another. We can do that if you fuck on mushrooms.

Tantric sex? There you go. Fuck on mushrooms. You can make some shit happen. Fuck on Molly. There you go. That Tucson. Edible marijuana as well. There's something about that. It makes it very sensuous. Interesting. mushrooms you can make some shit happen fucking molly there you go that two song edible marijuana

as well there's something about that makes it very sensuous interesting the connection the hive yeah that's when when we can all jump into the human pool right yeah the human pool of thoughts and ideas the human brain pool when all of us are there's no cubicles yeah do the cubicles drop and we're all in the same thing together yeah that's gonna be strange we'll become we'll become gods it seems like it's inevitable right oh absolutely it has to be well there's a one of my favorite quotes by alan harrington who wrote he was part of the b generation he used to hang out with all those guys he wrote a book called the immortalist said we must never forget that we are cosmic revolutionaries not stooges conscripted to advance a natural order that kills everyone.

So it's romantic and defiant to say we will not go quietly into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light. That's what we do. What was the first sentence? We must never forget we are cosmic revolutionaries. Could you imagine if you just walked around in a T-shirt that said cosmic revolutionary? Hell yeah. People would be like, really, dude?aries did you imagine if you just walked around a t-shirt said cosmic revolutionary hell yeah people be like really dude what did you do today you jerked off you watched a Carl Sagan video on YouTube totally comic book store yeah well Carl Sagan revolutionary awesome what a great

fucking title I think I'm gonna have to change my message board handle to cosmic revolution cosmic revolution oh yeah hell yeah I just think that's beautiful yeah dude we are way for the cosmos to know itself sagan said it himself and also we are the frontal lobes of the universe because so far we haven't found anything more complicated than the brain there's very few things more douchey than calling yourself a revolutionary fair enough so i gotta drop it sounds like a myspace page exactly you know i gotta drop the handle that's why you say you say we can't call myself that'd be very hypocritical i've made fun of people for calling themselves

i'm like someone's gonna call you that man even if it's tongue-in-cheek like with me it's completely you know cosmic revolutionaries yeah yeah either then you gotta let somebody else call you unless you have lightning bolts in the background maybe like if i got a tattoo that says cosmic revolutionary enlightening bolts we but the thing is, I think humanity is, we are cosmic revolutionaries, and I also think we're nature's secret weapon. Actually, one of the other videos I did is called To Understand is to Perceive Patterns. And one of the things that it looks at is the recurring patterns that occur at different scales of reality from man-made systems to natural systems and back again.

It's like these natural patterns that persist in nature and are now popping up in these big data visualizations of man-made systems. You know how cities are like capillaries, alleys are like arteries. Jeffrey West of the Santa Fe Institute talks about this stuff. And what it shows you is that, yes, we are free agents participating in this progression of technology, but it's also inevitable. it's self-organizing,

it's evolution, like we are just participating actively instead of passively in evolution. Can we play that one? I would love for you to see it. Sure, how does he get to it? You think he has it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta cue it up.

This one, wrong. It was the other one that we, yeah, I think. This one right here. Yeah, this one one look at the different the galaxies and the neuron and the mushroom mycelium in london from the sky and the internet visualize all share the shame nuts yeah they all share the same filamental structure how strange is that do all your things start with this yeah Yeah, because my friends, I'm a very good friend. I'll tell you.

To understand is to perceive patterns. Now, of course, what this means is that true comprehension comes when the dots are revealed and you get Stephen Johnson's long view and you see the big picture. This is the idea about patterns, patterns, patterns, recurring patterns across different scales of reality. You know, Paul Stamets talks about the mycelial archetype and how the information-sharing systems that comprise the Internet

look exactly like computer models of dark matter in the universe, look exactly like the neurons in the brain. They all share the same inter-twinkle filamental structure. It, the more it expands our consciousness by seeing these recurring patterns across scales of reality. It blows my mind and I think that technology increasingly is becoming an expander of human consciousness. It extends our thought, reach, and vision and revealing so much more. It's like whereas once I was blind, now I can see Jeffrey West from the Santa Fe Institute is telling us that cities are really like organisms, you know, alleys are like capillaries. How is it possible that a man-made artificial technological system is behaving like a natural system? The more efficient it becomes, the more it's starting to look like nature. Really interesting, weird stuff. You know, but it makes me optimistic.

It's like when Stephen Johnson says, look, if we can understand all this stuff, I mean, anything becomes possible, right? It's the adjacent possible standing as a sort of shadow future, a map of all the ways the present can reinvent itself. It's beautiful stuff. That's another one. That's another one that's pretty awesome. It's a weird thought that the human brain cell looks like the universe. Oh, yeah.

Like the galaxy. And like the neurons. Looks the same. The internet. The internet, too. It's terrifying. Yeah. Well, but it shows you that there's a reason that these patterns persist.

Because they allow innovation to occur. Yeah. And the city is the coral reef. When I say terrifying, I mean just in its magnitude. Right. It's all the idea that... Makes you feel mystical. The fact that neurons and all of it, it's just really hard to wrap your head around it.

Exactly. It's all just one soup. But doesn't that awe relieve you of any boredom? Yeah, well, it definitely does. That's why I do it. I don't know how anybody could be bored with any of this stuff. It's mind-boggling. To some people, it's a little unsettling because they like to think that this is where I get my coffee

in the morning. Hey, Marge. How are you, Marge? Meanwhile, Marge is strapped to a fucking giant rock going a thousand miles an hour in a circle. Thank you! Right! Marge is hanging out in space. I mean, the Earth is not connected to anything. It's just floating out there. It's floating and spinning. Spinning like a motherfucker.

Spinning a thousand miles an hour around a giant nuclear explosion. That's right. A big constant nuclear explosion that will eventually die. Thank you. Bizarre as fuck. Right.

Well, you know, the Red Sox are doing well this year. Right. Yeah, well, they'll find a way to fuck that up. Yes. And then they go, how's the tomatoes? And then they go back home and take a shit and that's it.

Right. And they just wait for the inedible while we spin. Yeah. Yeah. Why do we like mundane things? What is the pull to do that? There's something comfortable in the prosaic because the world at large can be overwhelming to all of us.

I mean, those videos are overwhelming. A psychedelic trip is overwhelming. I mean, a big city can be overwhelming to all of us. I mean, those videos are overwhelming. A psychedelic trip is overwhelming. I mean, a big city can be overwhelming. And I think that some people thrive in the spaces in which they're overwhelmed. And some people prefer to cower away from it due to circumstances in their lives, culture, preconceptions,

choices that they make. And ultimately, I think that's, I don't think we do well to judge anybody for how they choose to live. I think that what you do is you try to do what you can to share many different ideas and many points of views, and they'll find the astonishment that they like best and partake, hopefully, in that one. You know, McKenna talked about technology once.

I'll never forget this thing that he said. one. You know, McKenna talked about technology once. I'll never forget this thing he said. He was talking about different areas in life where he said that a failed symbiote is what a parasite is and that every

parasite seeks to be a symbiotic organism because we're all symbiotes. They want to keep eating. They don't want you to die because then they die. I mean, people have all sorts of funky living things living inside their body. We're all symbiotes. Yeah, yeah.

And, you know, when he talked about technology, one of the things that I thought always was that doesn't it seem like technology is some sort of a symbiote? 100%. Some sort of like a living organism. Yeah. It seems like I have, like, I always talk about how I have, like, the skeletons of the old shit laying around

I found an old phone the other day. It's an old fucking dead thing. You know like it moved past This is a fucking mastodon. I'm looking at I mean, I'm looking at an old Mac. That's a dinosaur bone You know, that's really what I mean. That's why that's why we call it the human technology Co-evolution, you know, I'm a fellow of an organization called hybrid realities Institute that says we are already cyborgs Yeah, but do you believe in the Kurzweil idea that there will be some sort of a sentient intelligent life form? It would become sentient be able to move around and be on its own and that will be a new life So we're really is a new life We're already a hybrid somebody puts on a pacemaker in their heart or they put in a chip in their brain to help them with

Their tremors from like, you know one of these heart or they put in a chip in their brain to help them with their tremors from like you know one of these neurological i saw yesterday there was this new pump that they put in a guy he doesn't have a pulse he doesn't have a pulse that shit's in the bible son think about it we we live inside of the constructs of our imagination we live in the spaces we use technology we use electricity we create fake hearts the water that comes to our house through the pipes you know i mean we're already we're already our symbiote in symbiosis right the thing the difference is the symbiosis becoming more and more smooth you know the best technology is not technology that gets out of the way

right it just allows you to do the artful change that you want to make in the world without having to fuck with it too much and that's what happens as these technologies get smoother in the way that they get enmeshed in our lives the sort of hybridization just gets richer and deeper. But it's already happening and it's perfectly natural. So it's not a problem. It's not something to be scared of at all. It's something just to be refined. It's inevitable.

Well, we make choices, right? When we buy Apple products, we're saying we want things to have a sense of aesthetic. We want them to be beautiful. We want our symbiosis to be functionally rich, but also aesthetically beautiful. And that's important, right? There's a thought that's been going around a lot lately on the internet is karma-free iPhones. I talked about it on this podcast and people are talking about it now, the idea of making conflict mineral-free products. Is that possible?

That's absolutely going to be possible. And with nanotechnology, we can engineer our own materials from scratch because we're manipulating things at the level of the atom. We can turn dog shit into pearls at that point. God damn it, son. They call it the diamond age. That's where shit's going to get really weird because everyone's going to have a 10-foot dick made out of gold. Oh, yeah.

Order an information file, print a toaster in your house. Oh, man, you're going to have to pay for electricity. Everything's going to be solar. No, everything's going toaster in your house. Oh, man, you're going to have to pay for electricity? Everything's going to be solar. No, everything's going to be abundant and infinite. How are we going to pay for things? Because the monetary system we're using right now doesn't work. Post-scarcity age. You don't pay for things.

No paying for things? Abundance. Well, then how do you become a baller? You can't be a baller. You can't make it rain if everything's free. You can't ever cut the baller out of society because then you're going to cut a lot of the funny out. Why? Because people love their status. Ridiculous behavior. You can't restrict cut the baller out of society because then you're going to cut a lot of the funny out. Why?

Because people love their status. Ridiculous behavior. You can't restrict ridiculous behavior if you want to keep comedy. Yeah, well, we can create virtual simulations that are indistinguishable from the real where you can be the baller in the virtual world. They'll be racist. They'll do it in a racist way. You got to let ballers. Because you can't judge how many people become ballers.

A lot of white dudes go baller style, right? A lot of white dudes get black eye tattoos. You know what I'm saying? Talk like a black guy. You can't factor that into a computer simulation. You've got to let that happen. You know what I'm saying? Who's that white rapper dude that has all the platinum teeth?

White rapper dude. He's one of the most famous white rapper dudes. He's legit. He's down with all the black guys. Eminem? No. That's the only one the most famous white rapper dudes. He's legit. He's like down with all the bar cars Eminem. No That's the only one I know damn it. I can't remember the dude's name MC Chris my points been shattered if I can't remember his name my points been shattered Well, my point is you couldn't be able to figure that guy out. Yeah, Peter simulation gotta let that guy happen in the real world Yeah, definitely. That would be the real problem. You got if we restrict restrict all we're you know people really do evolve we're gonna it's like

shit's not gonna be as funny I'm sure you're gonna make me funny I'm what I am right now like it's like when William Randolph Hearst wanted to keep cannabis down yeah so because he as a commodity what's really why he made it illegal so he was an evil fuck and William Randolph Hearst was just a bad motherfucker that ran newspapers. And he also had his own mills. So he was going to have to convert his mills over to hemp. Because hemp paper was like, you could get four times as much in an acre. And it replenishes itself every six months.

It's not like you have to wait 20 years for the fucking trees to grow back. It's just like, boom, it's there again. You can redo it again. And so as a commodity this is going to cost him millions of dollars so what he decided to do is just write stories about weed and put it in his newspaper it's really an amazing thing that the guy pulled this off is that where reefer madness yeah all that stuff all that stuff came from him are you talking about paul wall the rapper yes thank you veronica ricci thank you veronica thank you very much thanks she Ricci. Thank you, Veronica. Thank you very much. Thanks. She's on a ball, dude. What a good girl you got.

Yeah, because that guy, you can't predict that guy in a computer simulation. He's a great white rapper, and he's totally down with black people. He's got crazy platinum teeth. You've got to let that guy take place, because otherwise you're not going to have the R. Kelly's of the world, right? Yeah. With evolution, R. Kelly will not be there. Come on, man. Have you ever watched that R. Kelly Real Talk video?

Have you ever watched that? No, I haven't. You've never seen that? No. You've never seen the most brilliant piece of human pop culture? It is. When you think that the world is evolving still, we're going to show you something right now. This might throw a monkey wrench in all your theories, sir. Throw up some R. Kelly Real Talk, Brian. It's been so long. Are we allowed to? Let's find out. Let's find out what happens I'm feeling risky I haven't slept there's so many of them now like I

checked recently recently there's like our Kelly is down with people listening to his shit online as am I people getting mad at me because of this whole thing where I said that I'm the website I asked people to not put links to pirated shit I go you know just don't get me in trouble I'm not telling you what to do just don't put that shit on my website you know i think that's totally fair for you to say people act like you're telling like you're fucking shuntering me man they get so crazy when it comes to this and and their their need to justify streaming things real talk on youtube because i think it's a great song you know saying there's a lot of I don't want us to evolve any more than this.

I want this guy to always exist We're gonna be real man, I'm just gonna be real we just gonna roll the film and we're gonna do it I'm doing this for the fans that I know around the globe This is our Kelly don't give me who is he how dare you sir watch this Let him see the full image trying to establish what you is not who's right establish what's right establish real talk anyway she's taking out gnats listen to this smoking and drinking and kicking it tell me girl did she say there were other guys there did she say there were other guys there were there other guys there. Well, there are other guys there. Well, tell me this. How the fuck she know I was with them other girls?

When the whole club don't want to involve past this bad. Trust me. Right here is good. Right here is good. I don't know why you fuck with them old jealous. No man have an ass. No man have an ass. Real talk.

Real talk. Some old bullshit. Well, I an ass. Real talk. Real talk. Real talk. Yeah. It's good stuff, right? He's the greatest of all time. No one's more entertaining than R. Kelly. I don't want us to ever not have an R. Kelly. Well, you know, that's what's great about the internet is that if you have the urge to share, you can share.

What? That guy's crazy. I need him. I need him to stay crazy. I want that. I want that guy. We didn't even see some of the best lines in it. guy's crazy. I need him. I need him to stay crazy. I want that. I want that guy. We didn't even see some of the best lines in it. He's brilliant. Maybe he's sitting here.

It might be a parody. Even if it's not, I don't care. He's fucking rocking it his way. Good for him. I love him. I'll be an R. Kelly fan to the day he dies. I hope he didn't really pee on anybody, though. No, he did. I have the video. Allegedly. She's really young, right?

Never mind. I don't have that number bad caller bad caller yeah maybe we need a delay we need to put delay in our I don't have it anymore I had when it came out and she looked like she was younger like I don't know how young she was but she looked like old enough like she looked she was dressed up like a stripper and shit. Wait a minute. What are you talking about? Nothing.

I don't know what you're talking about. I said we need a delay. I know. Because of the R. Kelly comment, right? No, because the other day when Jimmy gave a fake phone number on the air. People got phone calls. I heard some poor chick on Twitter. We hooked her up.

She's going to come to the show. I'll get her tickets. That's hilarious. I told her to take care of her tab, too. I felt like an asshole. asshole. So we removed it. Let me ask you, when did you become interested in all of the ideas of the Singularity? I'm just curious. You know, Ray Kurzweil is absolutely one of the biggest.

We should have Ray here. We should have Ray and Barry. I would love to talk to them. I would love to come with them. Him and McKenna. You know, McKenna was a huge, huge influence because he was just so compelling. His lectures were so fascinating to me. And like I said, the first time I did DMP, I literally heard what was represented by his words. I think there's been very few people that have put as much down as he did.

As far as those recordings that you can get online, there's so many of them, man. And they're so goddamn interesting, man. He just had this really weird way of phrasing things and putting things together. And his brain was wired on just another level. And he understood the power of language. He also talked a lot about language. We live in a world of language.

And he said, note how I use big words. That's one of the things that he said. Why hasn't he gotten in trouble? It was really fascinating. He calls language an ecstatic activity of signification. A self-defining reality spoken, brought forth into being by language.

Brought forth into being by language. It totally is. I mean, we live in a world of mind, right? A world of psyche. Dance, art, science. It's so unfortunate McKenna died before he could really see how crazy things are getting right now. It's such a shame. That's what I say.

We've got to fix the death problem, man. It's not cool. It robs us of all these luminous beings. So how many people do you think the Earth can support? Dude, we're going to go into the stars, man. We're going to go into the stars for sure. Of course we are. That's the human.

That's the next leap. Isn't that what Nick Gingrich said that got him in trouble he was doing it really well he just said it because he was speaking at NASA I thought he was doing

no he was doing really well in the campaign trail until he said he was going to go to the moon and people were like bitch fix Detroit what the fuck are you going to the moon for

no I do I do think we didn't stay in the caves we didn't stay with the limitations of biology we won't stay on the planet I mean didn't stay with the limitations of biology. We won't stay on the planet. I mean,

I think to be human is to transcend our boundaries. Like I think if it's possible, it's natural. Oh yeah. So if you got a way to geo engineer some other planet and shit, people over there and we'll, we'll figure it out. I mean,

I mean, I, you know, right. But how could you say that it's impossible when you look at what we've, what we've been able to do here in just a short couple hundred years. For $200 or $300, you can buy an iPhone, something that the richest person on the face of the planet 50 years ago couldn't buy with all those billions.

I know. Isn't that amazing, man? What a crazy invention. If everyone on the other side of the country moved to the other side of the country and we all lived on one side of the country, would the Earth go out of its spin? Yes. The Earth would sink. It would flip over. It would spin out.

Someone actually asked that. Somebody actually asked that. Just remember, most of the world is water anyway. It's mostly empty space, the planet. Mostly empty space. And more and more people are moving into cities anyway.

So it's going to be just more and more just empty space. There was someone who actually asked that. I forget who it was. It was a recent thing. It was a story. Really? Well, there was too many people on an island,

and he was worried if they had all that people on one side, whether the island would capsize. It was a real person actually asked that question. Like, dude. You know what we've got to get you? We've got to get you some T-shirts from the Imaginary Foundation. Okay. Do they exist?

The line of the day goes to. It's just invisible. Here's one of my favorite T-shirts. Wipe your ass with this, no. Do they exist? That's the one I'm wearing. The line of the day goes to... It's just invisible. Here's one of my favorite T-shirts. Wipe your ass with this, loser. Yeah, no, the Imaginary Foundation, they make apparel that celebrates the power of human imagination. If you can go to imaginaryfoundation.com... And that is one of them, the one you're wearing right now?

It's like the thinker with a bunch of cool colors on him. And then there's this old guy underneath holding it up. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. I mean, their stuff is the most gorgeous and inspired imagery that I've ever come across because it's cosmic, but it's also whimsical and psychedelic.

So it's like singularity meets psychedelic rapture in image. Yeah. I love them, man. I'll get them to send you a shirt. Okay. That'd be great. Sounds awesome, man.

Yeah. How did you meet Ray Kurzweil? I met him because, you know, for five years I was hosting a television show for Current, which is Al Gore's cable net channel. Right. So that's what I was doing. I heard that him and Keith Oberman have been sprawling. That's the rumor, I guess.

Sprawling. What are they doing? I don't know. Squabbling? Squabbling. I left the network last year, so I don't know about that. Yeah. A lot of politics, a lot of bullshit going down over there.

They don't appreciate your talent. do they not see these youtube clips no i just i wanted to make content on uh on my own terms and after four and a half years doing anything the hedonic adaptation kicks in so you just crave something different but um but when i make adaptation yeah well it's just like you need something to be hedonistic that's the strange hedonic adaptation means that that something that gave you pleasure stops being as stimulated as it once was. You adapt to the hedonic nature of it so that it's no longer hedonic. Oh, so your hedonism, once you give into it,

you always constantly re-up it. It's like tolerance. Like drugs. So you are a hedonistic junkie. Well, I've always thought that. Don't you think? Especially gambling junkies. It seems to be a hedonistic drug of choice.

Of course, man. That's through. Well, we're hacking our own fight or flight mode and we're hacking our own dopamine secretion. Why do people go to scary movies, you might ask? To be scared? No, they go to scary movies because it's very meta. You know you're fine,

but you also are tricking yourself into being scared. But because you know you're fine, then it's okay to be scared because then it's exciting. Or like roller coasters. coasters or skydiving paying to feel like you're going to die but knowing you're not going to dodge you can only do that because we're very meta and uh but anyway let me tell you how i met ray kurzweil the uh one more point about the casinos like i think that when you put a casino in a one certain place too i think you alter people's behavior when you let them know that it's like this one spot way over there and it's only that's the only place you're

allowed to gamble they just go there and start gambling yeah you know it's like they feel like once they got there like but if you allowed people to gamble everywhere they are i doubt people would probably wouldn't be as exciting indulge as much forbidden fruit is always kind of that is a really interesting what you call the hedonistic what well i was talking about hedonic adaptation adaptation what happens if you're anything that's always around becomes invisible i gotta remember That is a really interesting, what did you call it, the hedonistic what? Well, I was talking about hedonic adaptation. Hedonic adaptation. What happens if anything that's always around becomes invisible. I've got to remember that phrase because that really is what it is. Yeah.

It's a weird, I've always wondered what that's for. I guess it's because we're always trying to push forward. Well, I think it's our brain's way of saying that if you don't stimulate me, if you don't stimulate me, I will just make you a zombie in return. But what do you think the genetic reason for that is? Is it to push energy forward? Probably. There must be some reason.

And to get you to continue to expand your sphere of possibilities. And what is more rewarding than when you do create something? Like you watch these videos. I'm watching you watch these videos, and you get a little charge out of yourself knowing that you did it. I literally get off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course you do create something. Like, look, you watch these videos. I'm watching you watch these videos, and you get a little charge out of yourself knowing that you did it. I literally get off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course you do.

You created something. I mean, that's one of the best things that a person can feel, is when they create something and somebody likes it. You know, it's really a... Well, it's the cultural equivalent of, like, sexual reproduction. Yeah.

Like, the sperms, you know, spreading the seed, and why it's so hard for men to be monogamous supposedly because we're wired to spread the seed to spread information, genetic information

as wide across as possible. But guess what? We've transcended that biological evolution with culture. So now the seed is with, you know, what they call memes,

memetic content. Memes are like organisms. They're like sperms. They're nuggets of information that are spreading and leaping from brain to brain. They're so in a way we no longer need to spread our seed physiologically really anymore we do it culturally we do i'm trying to you know these nuggets i call them inspired nuggets of techno rapture they're just little nuggets they just

hopefully it's the perfect way to do it though it's the perfect way to do it because anybody could send anybody it's you know even if your internet connection sucks right it up really quick it's only two minutes long right now it's and it's it's the right way to do it because anybody could send anybody it. Even if your internet connection sucks, you can pick it up really quick. It's only two minutes long. And it's the right amount of commitment where people just go, whoa. But it doesn't require them to remember some shit that you said 20 minutes earlier. Totally. Two-minute shots of philosophical espresso.

And then you put them on the Twitter, right? I registered for Twitter, I think, like two years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. At Jason underscore Silva, by the way. But I remember when I first started Twitter, I think, like two years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah. At Jason underscore Silva, by the way. But I remember when I first started Twitter, I didn't understand it because I thought 140 characters is so limited. But it actually makes sense in an age of information

when you're saturated in so much knowledge that it forces you to be concise so that you can alleviate the sort of bandwidth anxiety of being flooded with just too much information. Keep it short, keep it quick. Goddamn verbose. People just ponder on as I do three-hour podcasts. Let me tell you.

But that's why we love them, dude. That is part of what we love, but not in writing. In writing, it's annoying. Why are you making me read so much? Well, yeah. Well, that's why I made the videos short. Because I don't feel entitled to 30 minutes of people's time necessarily because i know that there's a lot of media that is trying to suck their attention no i feel like the way you did is perfect yeah two minutes is is a quick like

you know it's it's a donation and twitter maybe you know maybe you could pump it up to like 200 words or 200 letters yeah that's that would be about it it doesn't work on podcasts though i used to do a podcast with ari shir called a one-minute podcast and it's just like pretty much you just say hi and then you have to say goodbye it doesn't work for a podcast so you do as a podcast yeah did you really yeah that's ridiculous yeah um you can't you couldn't even just reading Twitter off a podcast you can't do that because then there's a negative shit yeah your attention right you know just trying to be the loudest i don't like negativity it's very sad negativity's so

sad it is but is it natural is it important is it no is it necessary for us to appreciate the good do we have to experience this this is the rude and very well there's a school of thought that says you know things only make sense due to their contrast you can only appreciate pleasure if you know pain but i don't know I think we can evolve past that. I think we can appreciate pleasure just because it's pleasurable and not need its opposite. I'm not sure if we'll get there. Why not?

I hope. Well, we've gotten, you know, it's all been positive up to here, even though horrific things have happened along the way. You know, it's not like the Genghis Khan days. We're doing a little bit better. Oh, much better. Unless you're in a few choice spots on the planet. Yeah.

Unless you're right now in Syria, which is really crazy. Have you been watching this stuff in the news? Yeah, it's very, very upsetting what's going on over there. It's crazy. But I'm hopeful

that the world is going to... Well, we need to... The world needs to respond and I'm hopeful that we'll move in that direction. It's fascinating how we're watching these countries that have been controlling people through fear and through dictatorships and military dictatorships and we're watching

them fold, boom, boom, boom, just left and right and everybody knows and they're all terrified. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's all, how long can you hold down? How long can you resist the movement? You know, it's... The movement, you hold down? How long can you resist the movement? You know, it's a movement, you know, that's going to make you you're not going to be a trillionaire anymore, Mr.

Well, people, people, people, people will persist and they'll they'll be successful. Actually, Kurzweil is also known for predicting when the Soviet Union would collapse. Did he really? Yeah. Accurately? Wow. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

How did he figure it out? Well, because he was he saw the exponential growth curves of information technology and he predicted that basically the free flow of information would eventually be too much for that insulated flow.

And so he just put it in a computer program or something? Yeah, well, no, he had predicted it. He has an uncanny ability to make predictions that come true. It's the reason

that he's called the smartest man since Edison by all these people. And when I met him was because I did a short on current TV called The Immortalists, which focused on just the maverick techno-optimists who were trying to find a solution to the problem of death.

And I became friends with him, and I felt like, wow, this is the most brilliant guy, and I want to do everything I can to help push these ideas forward, because these are the biggest ideas in the history of the world. And then I became even friendlier with him because I also became very good friends with barry ptolemy who directed transcendent man the film about kurzweil and uh and since then fucking film amazing transcendent man is i've seen it several times

it's really inspirational yeah it's a magnificent doc and uh and if you you would love barry the director he's awesome and uh i'm sure i would and there's a feeling of a labor of love because what we're doing is we're evangelizing some ideas that could transform the human condition in unfathomably rich ways and you know you have kurzweil who's just like what he's lending us with these ideas and with his mind is just is nothing short of astonishing it's such a as i was saying earlier such a dramatic thing to watch too his pursuit of this yeah you know his pursuit of uh enlightening people as to the consequences and the radical possibilities and it's it's such food for your brain oh yeah you

know kurzweil is one of you know there's so many on the internet i mean it's it's it's an amazing time to be influenced by people yeah and to be uh able to read people's uh you know just blog entries like literally like a day after something happens, someone interesting will blog something. What a strange time we have. Totally. This is the strangest time in human history. We're swimming in it.

We're swimming in it right now. This is the strangest time we're having. The rate of change gets faster. Evolution is telescoping, basically. So it took a billion years to get to a certain point, and then in the last hundred years years we've created more change so the rate of things changing gets faster and faster and faster until it's no longer even quantifiable until we kind of like merge with our technology do you ever get recruited to speak at one of those 2012 conferences oh dude i just spoke at digital life design in munich which is like is a super kind of technology futurism invite-only event.

It was awesome. Like Yoko Ono spoke and Sheryl Sandberg, the president of Facebook, spoke. Dude, Yoko Ono spoke? Yeah. There was a lot of, like, I don't know what she spoke about. I missed her talk. She used to fuck a famous guy. There you go.

No, but that was awesome. And actually, my video was shown at the Economist Magazine Ideas Festival. Oh, wow. So you can imagine when you have, like, a crowd of a crowd of The Economist and you're showing them these videos. And you know the best part? They got it, dude. They didn't think that I was just like some crazy hippie spewing forth these ideas, these exotic ideas. They totally get it.

And I spoke at the Singularity Summit, incidentally, which is the conference that's all about the technological singularity. And I spoke about the importance of art, design, and aesthetics to sort of transmute these ideas because people only respond to what moves them you know you can only show them so many graphs before they fall asleep right but if you inspire them if you epiphanize them if you give somebody the goosebumps they'll remember it and I showed the videos and sure enough like people really seem to respond to them so they're definitely it's creating a kind of I'm hopeful I think I'm going to be speaking at Google in March actually as well a friend is setting that up what's Yoko Ono like?

I didn't meet her she was speaking in the other atrium at the same time as me she was my competition does she speak inside of a bed?

like do they just roll a bed up onto stage and she's just they have a hologram John Lennon in there with her it's just like young John Lennon

and now today Yoko Ono. It's just fucking trippy. It's really, really darkly lit. And they sing Imagine. Would you fuck Yoko Ono? No. She had an art exhibit that I went to

when I lived in Boston. It was really bizarre. It was one of the strangest art exhibits ever. And one of the things she had was a block of wood with a bunch of nails in it. And there was a hammer and a box of nails there.

And she encouraged people to pick up the nails and contribute to the art. Wow. And she said that's how she wanted people to be enthusiastic about her art, by letting them contribute. And my joke was, take the nail, put it in your forehead. There'd be a line around the block. That's hilarious no nobody's probably

gonna hit the nail but it'd be interesting to watch you know if there was just her standing there with a nail in her forehead and she left a hammer there most people are not gonna kill you but you never know man you never know that would be an interesting art piece you know

that'd be a pretty fucking crazy thing to do anybody please steal this idea and everybody else please don't hit him in the head with a hammer You never know. That would be an interesting art piece, you know? That'd be a pretty fucking crazy thing to do. Anybody, please, steal this idea. And everybody else, please, don't hit them in the head with a hammer. That's fucked up. You know, it's interesting about art. I always think the kind of art I'm interested in is the art that is there to kind of move me in some way. You know, there's a great notion of, do you ever notice why beauty sometimes makes you sad? Like true beauty, like something

rapturously beautiful. Well, I'm a man, so that doesn't happen. I don't get sad. Like strip clubs. Like strippers. No, I'm talking about when something sublime moves you. I don't get sad, man. That doesn't make me sad.

I look at true beauty like a magnificent gift to the universe. Well, that's what I give it to, but you know why it sometimes makes me sad. I look at true beauty like a magnificent gift to the universe. Well, that's what I give it to. But you know why it sometimes makes me sad is because they say that, Alan de Botton says that the reason it makes us sad is because the beauty, what beauty hints at is at times the exception. So it reminds us of a lot of the mediocrity that surrounds us. And then we're like sad because we see a glimpse of the ideal.

And mankind has been obsessed with the ideal ever since, you know, we started making the Greek statues of David back in the day and that's all well and good until you start getting gray hair on your balls and then you know you start appreciating things because you realize the end is near so sad right it's just life no I know I appreciate I do not get sad when I see beautiful things ever just entropy I love beautiful things I love it I love beautiful things too but he gets out a entropy. I love beautiful things. I love beautiful things, too. But it gets sad a little bit?

Well, beauty moves me. Do you ever have sore nipples when you see, if you see something weird? Once a month, you get sore nipples. I'm just being completely ridiculous. I'm sorry.

I'm just trying to be funny. Do you dye your pubes? Maybe it's a Latin thing. I forget I'm a comedian sometimes. Do you dye your pubes, Joe? No. Why not? Do you shave them off? Yeah. They're only on the sack. you dye your pubes, Joe? No. Why not? They're only on the sack.

The sack is the only of the gray ones. The bush is all like a jungle dark. Okay, so it's scary. So you're telling them the balls. I need to see the documentary. Yeah, you say that right there, man. You need to pause. I'm talking about my balls.

You're like, I need to see your documentary. You have some Freudian shit right there, son. You didn like, I need to see your documentary. You're going to have to do some Freudian shit right there, son. You didn't have to phrase that like that. That's almost in the same category as making somebody flinch.

You're obviously not used to doing a stupid show like this. No, I'm kidding. This is amazing, man. I really enjoyed myself. It's amazing having you on, man. You're blowing people's minds.

Oh, I'm excited. Hey, you didn't pause enough for saying that either, Joe. What happened? Blowing. Blowing? Oh, you're right. It's a that either, Joe. What happened? Blowing. Blowing? Oh, you're right. That's a fucking very good point.

Very good point. Anyway, you were saying something about... Your documentary, The Spirit Molecule, the DMT... Oh, it wasn't mine. All I did was... You were posted. I was like the Rod Sterling of it. It's just all the stuff that they wanted.

It was an honor just to do it for them. That's awesome. It's my friend Mitch Schultz who did it. It was really a very illuminating documentary called DMT, The Spirit Molecule. A lot of really interesting, intelligent, and brilliant people have had DMT experiences. And it's available. I'm pretty sure it's on iTunes. I know it's online.

You can find it. Google it. Buy it. It's really good. You'll love it. Very cool. Yeah, it's a fascinating thing that there's some sort of a chemical that you human the human mind makes that's the most intense psychedelic known to man it's really weird you know makes you ask all these

questions and when why it evolved because there's a reason that and when you were talking earlier about the idea of engineering states of consciousness that would be we're gonna be able to engineer a state of complete total bliss totally you know the idea that you're going to have a DMT button on the end of your fucking keychain. Oh, yeah. Just press it and do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And you just go into some fucking crazy spiral of light with no boundaries.

Can you imagine? But that's all anyone's going to do. They're just going to DMT trip all day. Yeah, well, there was an article in Wired recently about DJs using nanoparticles in the future to get the audience literally high. Wow, that's incredible.

Instead of using chemical technology, using electronic technology. What if they fucking OD people, man? Well, I don't think that they will. They won't be successful if they OD people. This song was so good, it made someone have a fucking heart attack. Could you imagine? Well, yeah, but nobody will want to go if that happens. People will go for the ecstatic.

Yeah, there's a few pussies who can't make it. Can't run uphill. That sounds ridiculous, but the idea of nanoparticles. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That will change the way you think. It can change the whole room of people. Yeah.

It can change their reality. Yeah. It's getting crazy, man. We're going down the rabbit room of people. Yeah. Change the reality. Yeah. It's getting crazy, man. We're going down the rabbit hole for sure. What if we all went into, what if this is the future? We all go into a gigantic airplane warehouse, right? Like an airplane hangar.

They close the doors. They hit the button. The nanoparticles come out and all of a sudden we're in fucking Avatar. We're flying through spaceships and shit. All of this is taking place. We're just standing there. In real place. We're just standing there. In real life, we're just standing

there. Why wouldn't? That's exactly what it would be. It re-engineers your entire imagination. It creates an image that it has uploaded to your consciousness and everybody experiences it. Totally. And you can move around in it. And like reality, you can change it. You can

change it and alter it exactly dude we'll all be world builders you can use imagination inside that world because if you think about it that's already the world that we live in it just has taken longer to execute it because somebody thought of an airplane and then they imagined themselves flying on the airplane and then they built the airplane and then it worked and then they flew and today we all fly it's just that because it took 40 50 60, 60, 70 years, it doesn't feel like we just created the world that we live in. But we didn't just create it.

We literally just created it. I mean, that's the craziest part of all. That's not a metaphor. That's not an exaggeration. We live inside of worlds that we have created. And yet we're still a part of this gigantic thing, this planet. We're still a part of this gigantic thing this planet you know we're still part of this hive of organisms how did we come about how did we emerge so prominently I mean I know there's a lot of theories but what

do you subscribe to the stone day theory do you have your own theory no no I think this I mean you know it's difficult to prove right but I definitely I find it the most captivating account and make sense to me based on every very captivating people. It makes sense to me based on everything. It's very captivating. For people who don't know, explain to people what the theory is. Yeah, well, the stoned hypothesis basically tries to explain at one point sort of language emerged from a species that couldn't speak

to a species that could and changed the operating system of the brain. It's referred to as the first singularity. And Terence McKenna says that this occurred when early hominids left the jungle for the savannas. And in the savannas, their diets changed and they were ruffling around for whatever they could find to eat. And the magic mushrooms that were growing in the cow dung, those were psychedelic. And so when they started taking them, they wouldn't have been able to make sense of the synesthetic experience that ensued because the magic mushrooms cause synesthesia among their their hallucinatory qualities which means a blurring of the senses and wasn't there something about it increasing

the size of the human brain over a period of like he talks about that in food of the gods brain size is that all real is that i believe so i mean there's an account of it in food of the gods of how it literally changed the structure of the brain. But I think the most compelling kind of visual is when he says, psychedelics can be synesthetic, and that means seeing sounds, hearing sights. We talked about this, right? And that's what language is. Language is psychedelic.

Yeah, it is. I send images wirelessly into your head by making vocal sounds. I mean, that's like I'm already a cell phone. I send thoughts to you telepathically into your head. I mean, so it's like where did that arise from? And so it's an interesting theory. It's definitely like, whoa, dude. But it's not really well accepted in the scientific community.

No. They think it's pretty silly. It's well accepted in the scientific community. No It's a little too silly. I mean I brought it up to people and they've gotten that upset at me Yeah, the preposterous it was yeah, the idea that I think it's a wonderful mythology It's beautiful If it was true be awesome and the thing that really hits people about it is even though it's you know It's probably at this point in time unprovable What hits people about it is the profundity is is that a word, of the psychedelic experience the first time you ever have a mushroom experience.

And you realize what you're dealing with is so profound and so powerful and so impactful. Who's to say that if you didn't eat this every day, it wouldn't make your brain grow bigger? It really seems like it might. Not to mention that man has had a symbiotic relationship with these plants for our entire history. I mean, Francis Crick, who discovered the DNA molecule,

is said to have experimented with LSD. Like I said, all of the- Well, he's said to have come up with the idea of the double helix while he was on LSD. Okay. But that could have been horseshit because it was like after he was already dead. It was like one of those deathbed confessions.

It could have been that his friend is just really into acid. It's like, I'm just going to fuck up everybody by telling everybody that Francis Crick told me he was on acid when he died. Well, maybe it's not the drugs. It's what drugs

could do to their thinking, which could have been triggered by other things as well. It's a counterintuitive, nonlinear, out-of-the-box thinking. You know,

seeing the world in new ways requires tweaking how you perceive the world. Well, a big part of what the brain is is it's a chemical reaction. And we know that

when we're adding alcohol, adding anything to that chemical reaction, it changes the results. And the data that comes in is perceived differently. Absolutely. And we know that we can tap into something when you give somebody mushrooms or you get some, you tap into this incredible, blissful experience. And it's akin to a religious experience. When we understand the brain perfectly, we will be able to discern ourselves into supermen. That movie, Limitless, was actually very prescient

because it actually didn't end with a dystopic, warning, cautionary tale. It was like, no, he figured it out and he wins.

Yeah, no kidding. Do you think that any of this would have taken place, any of this experimentation, any of this without psychedelics? If there were no psychedelics,

is it possible that an ape has become a human and the human has become almost immortal? Is it possible? Well, listen, here's what I think. I think that we need to live inside of minds that can go from living in caves to flying through the air in jetliners. We need to be able to make leaps of thinking

of that scale. But we have to do it in a compressed time frame. It took 150,000 years to go from caveman to flying in jetliners. Nonetheless, it happened. So if you look at deep time, it's only a blink in the evolutionary scale. It's less than a blink.

In less than a blink of a blink of a blink, we went from naked monkeys to jetliners and 1.5 billion minds doing their mind work in a space that is in space called the internet a blink of a blink of a blink so what's to say that the next blink is not going to be equal parts astonishing and equal parts sort of transformational. It fucking is. Yeah. You just nailed it. Yeah. God damn. A blink of a blink.

It's so hard to wrap your head on. 150,000 years ago, we were in caves. That's insane. It's really almost impossible to wrap your head around how recent that is. Right. Blink of a blink of a blink of a blink. So what the fuck happened? How did we just take off running like that?

A triumph. It's amazing. Something happened because nothing else from back then is any different. Right. Everything else from 150,000 years ago is the same. Right. And where is it leading? Where is this leading?

It's fucking nuts, man. It's such a blank canvas for us to paint. That's the hardest thing for us to wrap our heads around. Everything else from 150,000 years ago is the same yeah everything is yeah orangutans have the same habit we just shot away from the pack and started building shit slingshot in mowing down elephants with well I would yeah I don't know shot away nuclear bombs slingshotting and bootstrapping complexity builds upon itself and it gets faster and faster and faster sexting Kim

Kardashians show boom 2012 it's amazing dude. That's why it's so Freaking fucking exciting. Yeah, it is getting you're allowed to curse. Yeah, you do But it's you like a lot of like exciting dude like it's so like It's so Wow. Yeah. But it's so fucking exciting, dude. Like, it's so, like, it's so wow. Yeah. Like, it's so wow.

It's so happening right now. You know, I think in the future when we look back on this day and age, you know, objectively as we can, we're caught in a technological tornado. Oh, yeah. Tsunami, dude. It's happening in a way that we adapt to it. You know know people are very adaptive totally totally we're awesome at at you know recognizing our environment has changed

and adjusting we're really good at that but the fact that we're able to do it with something as mind-blowing as the internet is really incredible and the fact that you know at this point in time you see societies all over the world trying to be more and more restrictive when it comes to the internet because they recognize this is their usurper the usurper is not yeah it's not rick santorum no it's the fucking internet man the internet's going to take over it's not to the nature of gay people get married i mean an organism wants to maintain the status quo if it has been a successful organism yeah i mean that is like a cultural context or certain businesses or corporations or business models that have worked for certain groups of people for a long time a successful organism. And what I mean by that is like a cultural context or certain businesses or corporations

or business models that have worked for certain groups of people for a long time. It's in their interest to want to persist. But the reality is that we all need to become

cheerleaders for evolution and that means embracing disruption. Yeah. That means also letting gay people get married, you fuckheads. A hundred thousand percent.

Like a hundred percent. Like gay marriage should be a hundred percent legalized everywhere. Marijuana should be a hundred percent legalized everywhere. Marijuana should be a hundred percent legalized everywhere. This Rick Santorum dude, that's one of the things he stands for. He doesn't want gay people to be able to get married. Like, what do you fucking care?

Well, that's that caveman mentality. No, he's scared people. What I wrote on my Twitter was that the only reason why anybody would want gay people to not marry is either they're dumb or they're secretly worried that dicks are delicious. I think that must be what it is. I think that's a lot. They're just worried that there's a lot of gay guys around them. Next thing you know, they'll be sucking a dick.

They just don't trust themselves. They're not that sure that they're not gay. I think you just hit upon and explained so much of the behavior. His bone structure, the way he carries himself, he could be tricked. You can get that guy. He's not an alpha running around telling people gay people not to guys on alpha I think the biggest the biggest rule should be you should not be able to impose your own more rules on other people it's like you're hearing books or censoring thought whether to

each his own as long as you're not physically hurting anybody else if it offends you I don't care right you're free to say whatever you want I'm free to say whatever I want we respect and tolerate each other but you know actually Bill Maher said to be tolerant of intolerance, that's the problem. That's why moral relativism doesn't work. That's why you can't just say, oh, in cultures in the Middle East where they're stoning women to death, oh, that's just a different

culture. We've got to respect it. No. You don't respect that, okay? Because that's being tolerant of intolerance. Right. Yeah. Tim Harris has a brilliant talk about that. Yeah. It's a strange thing, man. It's a strange thing where people will embrace this this notion of fear and of someone different than them. And of, you know, that somehow or another, this is going to erode moral fiber and that your way of thinking is correct.

And what these people want to do that hurts you, not one iota. You're going to somehow or another prevent and do it righteously under the guise of some fucking book. Like, you know, I wrote that and like a bunch of people were saying, you know, tweeted me back and like, you know, I'm a Christian. Come on, man. Really? Stop. What do you give a fuck if some gay dude, oh, because I'm a Christian? Because you're a Christian, you care about gay people getting married.

They can do whatever the fuck they want. It doesn't make your thing any different. You know, does divorce not make your shit any weaker? When 60% of the people get divorced, doesn't make your thing any different you know what does this divorce not they should you know just divorce not make your shit any weaker it was when 60% of the people get divorced doesn't it make marriage weaker doesn't make it look more ridiculous you should be upset about that it should be upset about people who get married that don't really want to get married and fuck it up for the statistics the people that are happily married because when you're happily married people always tell you you're fucking 60% and it

divorce book loop dude you know what we should do is prevent people from getting Because when you're happily married, people always tell you, yeah, fucking 60%, and a divorce, buckle up, dude. You know, what we should do is prevent people from getting married, not stop them from getting married, okay? Stop everybody from getting married. Gay people, straight people, everybody. Marriage should be illegal, period. It's not the gay folks. You know, and if we're getting getting fucked they should be able to get fucked too that's my attitude if we're caught in this ridiculous maze the gay folks should just jump

right in as well and if you want to keep them out of the game it's just because you're worried about they're marrying you that's what it is well especially because at the roots like you know even christianity it was all about like loving thy neighbor as you love thyself i mean if that should be like the only rule and And you know what that means is whatever makes your neighbor happy should make you happy as long as he's not physically hurting anyone else. Right.

Or I fucking you when you go to get your mail. That ain't cool either. You know? If like you're next to him in the mailbox and you're trying to get your mail, it's like... God damn, boy. You you know that's not cool right that's a little uncomfortable yeah he's not really hurting anybody but he is making you feel

weird right it shouldn't make you feel weird but other than that what do you give a fuck it's just weird and when i see that embrace that rick santorum guy won state caucuses in three states man three of them colorado was one of them colorado missouri i think minnesota well i think that you know a friend my friend of mine says that evolution also thrives when there's resistance because resistance forces evolution to figure out another way to transcend that limitation so in a way that resistance the people wanting to teach creationism for example that resistance maybe it's just part of the system because it maintains the system to be more robust to find ways to transcend that problem

so that we don't get too comfortable ever because there's always those sort of backwards ways of thinking that could very quickly become cancers and stop the innovation. We can't let that happen. Yeah, it's a very tricky situation. The idea of being a Christian is a beautiful idea if you look at it in terms of what the real teachings of Jesus were. Jesus was a hippie yeah absolutely he was a kind loving hippie who hung out with all types of awesome people i mean what a great moral example yeah but we have to recognize when in 2012 we we don't go on what people wrote down thousands of years ago we go on what we know today what we know today is that there are people that are just born gay

they just are i've met him you've met him there's no fucking denying when i there was a kid that lived up the street from me um about 10 years ago and he was five years old five years old i knew this fucking kid was gay he was five he'd be playing in my yard and he was like super sweet to me and he'd like to give me hugs and he would like to talk about like little dogs and his mother wanted him to play football but he didn't want to play football you know he's in it and his dad would come over you know real real nice guy he's gay now of course he's gay he was gay then nobody tricked him into being gay he didn't get recruited he was born gay some people are born with red hair some people are born with you know awesome eyelashes it's a weird company they like it human beings we should all

like embrace who and what we are i mean our differences are what make us interesting but the real issue is wonderful like the real issue is some people are not gay and so they go nobody could possibly like what i don't like right nobody could possibly really like that that's deviant that's disgusting and that's not freedom that's That's like authoritarianism. It's a lack of education. It's a lack of evolution. It's a lack of information. There's a lot of places in this world and thought pockets that are still backwards. There's still...

But you think that's sort of enlightened human values, like eventually Trump, kind of this sort of negative way of thinking. I mean, if you think about it, like the modern kind of this sort of negative way of thinking i mean if you think about it like like the the modern kind of pop culture like the mainstream films and the mainstream media would never for example like embrace creationism i mean you know what i'm saying like i feel like for the most part what do you mean well like i'm saying like you don't see like movies for example coming out like defending. Well, I think someone could do it really well. I think if you had some master director, like some Kubrick-type dude,

and a great storyteller, they could figure out a way to craft something that would make you think that intelligent design might be very well how the universe wants. But if you do it as a piece of entertainment, as a movie. But if you do it as a poem, like Terrence Malick's Tree of Life, then that's a beautiful poem. They're not, like, making a documentary looking at the evidence that creationism is a fact. No, no, no, no.

I meant like a 2001 type movie, like a movie, a piece of fiction. Well, but the thing is we're all craving transcendence and rapture. And the thing, what's most beautiful about this fleeting ephemeral sensation is that it's a mystery, right? So it's better expressed as a mystery than to sort of anthropomorphize it and put a man's face on it and a beard right like fall in love with the mystery that's you know a carl sagan why do you think we have this weird longing though to believe that there's some secrets written somewhere and

this is with the ancient i think our yearning for the our yearning for the sublime we can't avoid it the same way the yearning of eros right like it's just as embedded in us as the sex drive is it or is it because we know like in our genes somewhere another that we have gone through peaks and valleys of human behavior and human culture and that we have well we've had periods of times where we lost information and did you know lose touch with our the the real uh tenants of society and of loving thy neighbor and all that stuff. And this idea of these secret stories that we have forgotten, what they represent is cultures that had crashed. Well, and universal archetypes that Joseph Campbell talks about.

And it's interesting because religion has become corrupted and institutionalized in many instances. As has politics. Yeah, but there's also a great theory that says that the origins of religion actually lie in the use of psychedelics. Sure. Even the concept of God seems like a vision straight out of the psychedelic experience if you embrace it as the metaphor that it is, which is to say that something that transcends me, something that feels that I'm part of something bigger than I am. And what becomes indefinable, you put a symbol on it. Okay, call that God.

That was probably born. The religious rituals were always, you know, those Native American cultures and Native cultures that would use psychedelics in their religious ceremonies. I mean, that was a part of it. Yeah. People would like to dismiss it, but I don't know anything more powerful that I've ever experienced in life other than like tornadoes and shit. You can't dismiss it.

It's a fact that these things were used in religious ceremonies since the beginning of time. It's an unbelievable powerful force and just because it doesn't rip trees

out of the roots and make fucking cows fly through the air doesn't mean a medical tour can hallucinate. Yeah, that's my point. You remember that movie

Altered States with William Hurt? Remember it. Yeah. It's terrible. Try watching it now. It's unfortunately terrible. Yeah. It's terrible. Try watching it now. It's unfortunately terrible. You think it's terrible when you watch it now?

Oh, my God. It doesn't hold up at all. It was awful. I had to shut it off. I like the dialogue a lot, though. Really? Yeah. Well, he talks about the self, the individual mind that contains immortality and ultimate

Yeah, that was cool. But it was just so dated. It was really weird. It just didn't seem that good. I remember it being this brilliant. Well, when he turns into a monkey, it's not that good. Yeah, that good yeah that's what i mean i mean it's like who the fuck let you do this stop right why is he running around everything before that is awesome like his whole search for the transcendent and how he has a relationship with the girl and she says even sex is a mystical

experience for you yeah she says she feels like she's being harpooned by some raging monk and the act of receiving god so death you know sex and death as the connection to the divine i mean it's all connected the drugs the sex the transcend. I mean, it's all connected. The drugs, the sex, the transcendence. Trust me, I loved it when it first came out. Watching it now is just, whoa, this is fucking terrible. There's just something about they've gotten so much better at making movies now.

It's really amazing when you stop and think about that. There's a piece of evolutionary evidence right there. Look at culture. Culture from 1950 and culture from today. Watch Father Knows Best or watch Calling Car 7. What was that fucking show they had? What was that show? Do you remember?

It was like Car 69, Where Are You or something like that. Car 54, Where Are You? I mean, they had a show about a fucking guy driving around in a car. It was a cop, right? Yeah. It's ridiculous. Remember they had BJ and the Bear? They had a show about a truck driver with a ch cop, right? Yeah. It's ridiculous. You know, remember they had BJ and the Bear? They had a show about a truck driver with a chimp, right?

Yeah, they had a show we've talked about before. There was a president that was a chimp called Mr. Smith or something like that. We talked about this before? Yeah. I must have been so big that I time traveled. Yeah, but it's crazy because no one remembers this show at all, and I've tried to find out YouTube, and I can't find it. It was called Mr. Smith Smith and he just chimpanzees

as a president. Wow. He talked. And he talked like Humphrey Bogart. He's like, hey, Bogie. And everybody else is a person? Yeah.

And the chimp was just running shit? Yeah, and everyone just acted like that was normal. Wow. Okay. Yeah. What is that about? I don't know.

What do you think about people that say that the human being was actually created by genetic intervention from extraterrestrials? Well, at least that's interesting. Yeah. So sexy. I's interesting yeah so i mean the sexiest idea of all time you can imagine the planet being seeded with the primordial elements that would then like you know to set the emergent conditions for complex life to emerge from that is compelling because we are now doing that with

artificial life and with synthetic life i mean cra, Craig Venter, when he created the first synthetic life form, the signature was written in the DNA, like the signature of his name. So, okay, so now life is now creating life. We are doing intelligent design. Intelligent design is actually occurring now with synthetic biology. And so to think that some far more powerful civilization

might have created and seeded and terraformed the planet is, I mean, it's not outside of the realm of impossibility. It's certainly a compelling idea. It's certainly like what we're about to do. It's more interesting than, you know, God created the heavens in seven days. It seems so unfortunate there's fucking asteroids and comets out there. Because if it wasn't for them, I'd'm like we're definitely going to win this race we're going to win this race with technology we're going to pull through eventually we'll get our shit together

but that might not be the case we might be like on the verge of getting it all together no no but you know freeman dyson took not to quote him again but he said that uh with synthetic biology and artificial life we're eventually going to decode the genome of every living thing on the planet, and then we'll be able to actually have, with nanotechnology, the entire biosphere in something that's a few micrograms in weight. So the whole biosphere in the palm of our hands. And then we'll send those biospheres in the palm of our hands into space. You're talking about Adam and Eve type shit, son.

Sending it into space. That's what it is. Isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing? It all comes back and then the metaphors start to make sense. If that's really what

Adam and Eve was all about, that's really what Adam and Eve... That's the real creation. Holy shit. That eventually the intelligent animal once, you know, becoming sentient

and aware of itself started on a fucking rape and killing rampage to create bombs and rap music and death metal and then what? Yeah.

And then what? How do we get out of this alive? What's your suggestion? Well, I think that that's where the cultural conversation that is happening. You know, I think what's really exciting is that the internet allows

minds to come together based on shared interests and this will mean lol cats fans and it'll also mean you know the smartest scientists laughed many times me too lol but that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying i have you haven't i love a good lol cat i'm not criticizing it but i'm saying the same thing that allows millions of people to come together over a shared delight right allows also the smartest scientists and astronomers and physicists and philosophers and thinkers around the world to collaborate to cross-pollinate right you know all these minds working together you know

it creates something that's greater than the sum of its individual parts right that's when something transcendent emerges you put things together in a certain way and it leads to something that's greater two plus two equaling five somehow and so i'm confident that because of that we will find innovative solutions that help us address all of humanity's grand challenges and that's that's happening singular you have to recognize each other as a super organism first right we have to recognize each other as we're all one systems thinking yeah that's the only way to do it separate yourself from the environment in which you're embodied in at some point in time we're going to some point in time, we're going to have to fix Somalia. We're going to have to fix, you know.

A hundred percent. Ethiopia. A hundred percent. These fucked up places where people are starving to death and they're uneducated. It's totally unacceptable. Yeah. As a human entity, right? As a single organism, we have to accept that this is, we have to re-engineer the situation

somehow or another. It sounds like eugenics. It sounds terrible, but that's not what I mean. I mean with education, love and food and you know I mean if we could put as much money into going to war why can't these fucking peace companies come up with some lobbying money because think about it better just as profitable for peace if peace was more profitable than war good ideas have never had it better good ideas have never had it better than they do today so on that

note you know an idea for an, that was a good idea. And an idea on how to build it was a good idea. And so I think that maybe we can't articulate what those ideas are yet, but we certainly are creating the spaces in which those ideas are more likely to emerge than at any other time in human history. And that is kind of a fact, I think. Yeah, I don't think anybody's just – well, as far as we know about human history, the only thing that fucks me up when I'm not willing to commit to that

is the Egyptian period. There was some crazy shit going on in Egypt, man. Those motherfuckers were on... They might have been on this level on a parallel level. That was completely different. Interesting. The construction of the hieroglyphs, the architecture and engineering of... Well, you know, eventually they died.

You know, the people that realized the highest heights. it's very difficult to maintain that tone for very long i think there is a you know there's a certain revolutions per minute that you have to be hitting as a society you have to be really completely in tune to hit such high heights and you know you have to be in tune ethically morally but you're still a human being so in if that philosophy is not somehow or another genetically imprinted into the monkey in time with lack of discipline and people that aren't good at raising children yeah the ideas will be lost well but now although all the world's ideas and all the world's information is now digital the library of Alexandria yeah I don't think we'll ever lose that library again and the Internet is also distributed right

and I wouldn't not a centralized network. I don't think you can knock down the ideas ever again that way unless an asteroid hits the Earth. Yeah, that's what I was just about to say. Yeah, we can. We can lose it all. We could totally start from scratch. We may have. That's the big question.

When you look at Egypt, how did they get that far ahead of everybody else? That's a nutty thing, man. I mean, it's almost like a joke. It's almost like you think you understand history. Ta-da. Look at that. 2,300,000 stones cut into a perfect pyramid.

Used to be smooth limestone with a golden cap, all made back when there was no fucking wheel. Good luck. Good luck. Figure it out. Well, you know what? I guess back then they weren't global. And so if that limited area was knocked out, then it affected the whole. Now we're global.

So the only way that the whole thing could be knocked out is with an asteroid, not if you kill one pocket or another. But I think eventually we'll be post-terrestrial. That's why we've got to go into space. That's why we've got to go into space. Yes, for sure. For sure. Isn't it amazing that someone at one point in time,

whatever it was, it was Egyptian culture, 2500 BC, someone got that far? isn't it amazing it's totally amazing those people that don't I mean I've never been to Egypt but I've watched a lot of documentaries I did go to the to Chichen Itza once which was not maybe not as impressive as Egypt because of this year size of some of the things but still pretty fascinating that this was a an ancient culture that existed over a thousand years ago and they'd made these amazing buildings and you're walking on the ground where their their civilization took place and you realize these were like thinking philosophical people that thought about

deep things thousands of years ago profound thoughts about space and i am all completely fascinated by the mayans completely fascinated by the mayan culture and the idea that there's over a Thousand Mayan temples just out there in the jungle that they haven't even discovered yet You know they find these fucking things and they just start digging into them They're like holy shit, but they'll be in Mexico City. They'll be like building apartment buildings and someone will go stop We just found the biggest temple in the history of the Mayan culture, you know They'll find some gigantic fucking things that are just Underground, you know, it's like you got to wonder what the hell happened there the history of the Mayan culture. And they'll find some gigantic fucking things that are just underground.

It's like you've got to wonder what the hell happened there. They had achieved this incredible height as far as their ability to construct these things out of stone. And then even before them, there's somebody called the Olmecs. They don't even know who the fuck they were. They don't even know what the language was.

They have no idea, but they have these giant fat African heads. You know know you know what it shows though it shows the tendency towards complexity and the tendency towards development and progress that might have been thwarted by an existential threat or a war or whatever it is that happened but the tendency is there so it's this idea that like life moves towards complexity life is actually anti-entropic it wants to get more complex more sublime you know knowledge information wants toropic. It wants to get more complex, more sublime. You know, knowledge,

information wants to spread. Sentience wants to perpetuate itself. And so, I think we're on the best, we're in the best ride of our, of history.

Like, I think we're, I mean, I think they, they got pretty far, but then they were thwarted. You're totally right. I'm a retard.

I have to figure out how it happened. You know, I'm like, this is ridiculous. What happened? You know, I can't even live in the moment

when it comes to this. I'm still trying to pick ridiculous. What happened? I can't even live in the moment when it comes to this. I'm still trying to pick apart the formula how we got to this point. But this point is the most fascinating point. If this point existed in the past,

if we were running around like the Romans were. I don't think we got this far before. No, I definitely don't think so. But if we somehow or another were running around

like the Romans on fucking horses and shit and nobody ever figured out how to make a phone and somebody found some projection thing and threw up a movie of how we live right now with cars and shit. Yeah. Oh, my God.

People are standing in front of a fire going, what the fuck is this? Way, way crazier than anything. Totally. I love looking at time lapse videos of cities at night. Oh, yeah. Because what you see. Well, you have that in one of your videos. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because what you see is like... Well, you have that in one of your videos.

Yeah. It's beautiful. There's that scene. It's the movie Tron, right? It says they tried to picture clusters of information as they flowed through the computer. What did they look like? Were the circuits like freeways, chips, motorcycles? And when you look at a time-lapse of a city at night, you do see it's just particles of light.

It's just information being exchanged, especially when it's time-lapse and you don't see the individual cars But you just see the light yeah the buildings and the light that's just information You know it was Dawkins who says if you want to understand life Don't think of oozing gels and through being and throbbing liquids think about information technology It's just information being exchanged all the time It's all it is if you're a person if you're someone's flying into LA, I urge you to fly into LA at night. Right. Fly into LA at night.

It's a motherboard, dude. It's a motherboard. You can't believe how wild it looks. How organized, how planned, how inevitable. How Blade Runner. Yeah. How Blade Runner. Right.

We don't realize how advanced we are as a society. I really don't feel you give the full perspective because you're flying to Los Angeles. Right. He donned a adaptation, man. My friend Larry had a house up at the top of the Hollywood Hills, and you would go out into his backyard, and it was like the craziest science fiction movie ever. Exactly.

You couldn't believe it was a real view, man. It was just all like Christmas lights all throughout the whole city in front of him. It was amazing. It was a view that I would wonder if I lived there if I ever got anything done. I might just get out there every night and just stare like a fucking monkey. You would hope so, but probably after two weeks, you wouldn't even notice it.

There's no way I would notice it if I smoked weed. If I'm out there with a joint, I'm going to look at that and go, God damn, this is crazy. But there you go. You just hit the nail on the head. Yeah. That would be your way of getting rid of the hedonic adaptation, returning luster and wonder to your experience. People always say, why do you talk about weed so much, man?

It's kind of annoying. You know, it gets annoying when you harp on weed so much because it's worth talking about, man. People talk about yoga. People talk about how much they love their wine. Oh, I love this 1975 delicious red wine. People are good. I smoked pot.

I just took a nap. You're getting the wrong shit, kid. Well, dude, you can use food to nourish your body. You can use food to become morbidly obese. So it's not the food's fault how you use it. I'm tired of this bullshit society not catching up. Jason, how do we get through this? How do we get through this?

Well, I mean I guess I'm just trying to make a contribution well you're definitely doing that I'm putting forth mimetic content to inspire people I think we do it

mimetic content I never use that word or expression in my life because I love the word meme it's beautiful I do too yeah and I think that I don't know

I mean Timothy Leary Timothy Leary when he used to call himself like a stand up philosopher or a performing philosopher, it was this idea of embracing pop culture and competing in the marketplace of ideas. So if you think that the marketplace of ideas could lead us astray, then contribute better ideas. I mean, you're doing it. You have 600,000 minds connected to your Twitter account.

I mean, that's a wonderful opportunity it's fun for you to have fun but also man like you're you can create waves of positive positive change you'd be one of the things that's amazing is how nice people are on twitter to me dude so nice i very rarely get douchebags without a cable without a cable you are tuned in to 600 000 minds yeah it's pretty amazing just think it. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Just think about that. Yeah, it's an amazing time. And how many of them are watching this?

It's only like a couple thousand. Shit. Ultimately, this would be on the iTunes. It'll probably be like somewhere around a half a million. Oh, that'll be fun. Yeah, with all of our different points of distribution. We have it on Ustream. We put it on Vimeo.

Vimeo is the bomb. Vimeo is great. Beautiful video quality. Yeah. And, you know, we can put long ones on there. Awesome. No problems. Then we cross Ustream, hooks us up.

We have it available on Ustream. And so we have it also in straight MP3 form. Oh, good. Just make it as easy as possible. This is my favorite thing to do. Well, you're a podcast pioneer. No, I'm not. How dare you? they love your stuff and it's amazing because um you guys talk about so many different things but um

you know just as many people that have seen my videos and be like oh my god dude you got to do something at TED like people watch the videos and like oh my god dude Joe Rogan needs to see this like you that's funny this is a symptom of the Kim Kardashian era I'm right there i'm part of the problem uh i don't i think i think you're doing great no i'm just kidding man i'm a big fan john dvorak uh do you know who that guy is john c dvorak no he's a technology guy you know he is brian right oh yeah i know who he is yeah he wanted he told me that i have to get adam curry on the podcast because Adam Curry is the real podfather. He's the guy who really created.

He's been doing it for a while. He's the creator, right? Didn't he help figure out how to make podcasts? I don't know. I think he's one of the original members. Yeah, I don't know why I'm saying this. I feel like I read that he had something to do with the actual coding of the first podcast. Probably.

It might not be true. Either way, he's like one of the originators. So that guy's from Tech TV, right? John Dvark? John Dvark, yeah. He's a technology columnist, right? Yeah, he still works with Twit. I've seen a bunch of his stuff.

The podcast allows the technology to actually get out of the way. And what it does is it frees your mind. That's why the technology is psychedelic. Your mind is freed to roam from 600,000 minds to their minds, to their friends' minds and their friends' minds and their friends' minds.

You are freed by the podcast, by the tools. I mean, think about that. Think about how it expands the reach of each and every one of us. And then it's up to what we say. That will determine

the size of the following and the influence, what you say. Sure, yeah. And whether or not, you know, people want to hear real communication. Real talk. Real talk. Don't you think I ain't got enough bullshit on my mind? People want to hear people really communicating, and it's not enough of that going on.

I think people respond to authenticity. Yeah. They respond to authenticity. And it's a beautiful venue for any comedian or anybody who's looking to express himself or someone like you or anybody that has an idea. It's the most important thing is I just got to get this out there. I don't want to go through all these different channels to get this out there. I don't want to get it approved.

What do you say tonight? Well, I'm going to say this. Right. You know, I think that. Totally. But you have to transcend it. All those rules and limitations no longer apply. And, you know, eventually you'll have more impact in those, like, institutionalized forms of putting things out there.

Or they won't exist anymore. Well, of course they're not going to exist anymore. I mean, that's inevitable. Yeah, the form of government that we enjoy in the future will have to be Internet-based. Unless there's something else that becomes cooler than the Internet. No, dude. It's going to be like the libertarian utopias, the seasteading institute that's building those man-made islands where we can have, like, libertarian utopias. Dude. Free of government control.

This has been a mind-blowing podcast. This has been such a treat, guys. I can't tell you how... Thanks for hooking it up, dude. Brian Hofstein. Brian hooked it up. He hooked it up to the power of the internet. The power of the internet.

Brian's the man, dude. He's been very, very awesome and supportive. Fascinating ideas, man. I think you fucked a lot of people's heads sideways today. A lot of people are on the train right now, headed home from work, going, God damn. Get out of their car not knowing what the fuck to think. Yeah, this is a double listen, slow it down by 50.

Yeah, this is one of those podcasts. We tried to interject some humor in there along the way, too, just to break it up a little. There were so many ideas, and you presented them so well and so quickly. That was really enjoyable, man. You have a really good understanding of people's attention spans and of being enigmatic. When you're doing these video clips, it's not just that you have great ideas. It's that you have great ideas that you've figured out how to say with so much passion enthusiasm that it becomes really contagious and then on top of it

there's the perfect visuals and it's like really powerful stuff man I'm honored that you came down and dude I am honored that you have me do it thank you so much for your kindness and generosity anyway you know what I'd be like that's the thing this is a collaborative it always situation I mean we are now helping those ideas multiply and spread. And it's fun for all of us. Yeah, this is a fun conversation. I love the fact that I can meet someone like you and have these crazy talks.

It's just the coolest shit ever. It's one of the – real talk. It's just one of the coolest things about the internet and this new world that we live in. Yeah. So thank you very much for coming in here. And if you can catch him on Twitter, follow him. It's Jason underscore Silva. Jason underscore Silva on Twitter.

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There will also be a show here tomorrow night at the Ice House in Pasadena. Get tickets now. Icehousecomedy.com. Yeah, because it's a really intimate setting. It's only 85 seats, but the fucking lineup is dynamic. We got Brian Callen. My boy Brian Callen is coming down. One of my favorite comedians. He's silly. He's ridiculous.

On stage, so much different than his warmongering side that you see on the podcast. His Fox News representative. I love that dude. I'm just kidding. Al Magical. Al Magical. Brilliant Al Magical, who is also now a correspondent for The Daily Show.

I fucking love him to death. He's hilarious. I've been working with Al Magigal, who is also now a correspondent for The Daily Show. And I fucking love him to death. He's hilarious. I've been working with Al Magigal for over a decade. I worked with him in San Francisco in the old room of Cobb's, the 150-seater. There. History. Brody. Who else is going to be on?

Sarah Tiana. Jason Tebow. Sarah Tiana. Yeah, and there's Sam Tripoli might stop by. Boom. Sam Tripoli as well. And, of course, I'll close the show out. And so that's it. We'll see you there. It'soli as well. And, of course, I'll close the show out. And so that's it.

We'll see you there. It's only 15 bucks. And it's the coolest audience, too. We've got a great vibe there. So that's it, you fucking dirty freaks. Thanks for coming in. Thanks to Jason Silva. Thanks to the universe for aligning things in such a prosperous way.

So that everyone can be happy and bountiful in this land of the free. In this strange world that we live in this global universe in 2012 pray Shiva pray Shiva Thank you.