The Joe Rogan Experience - #1830 - Meghan Murphy

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

Meghan Murphy is a freelance writer, and journalist. She is also the founder of the "Feminist Current" website and the host of "The Same Drugs" podcast.  http://www.feministcurrent.com/  https://meghanmurphy.substack.com/

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hi what's happening good to see you good to see you also let's crack a lackin um well are you ready to get wasted? Yeah, you and this fucking You and this fucking vile beverage that you bring. I brought, Lord. I was like, Joe is going to actually be mad when he sees what I brought.

Okay. I brought Racia. Joe Rogan, this man right here, he talks about Racia. He gave it to me. You never stop bitch talks about ricea. I talk about it. He gave it to me. All the time. I serve it to people. You never stop bitching about ricea.

Well, I give it to people, and every time I give it to people, they're like, Jesus. I don't know. It's one of the rare alcohols that we've had in studio that we haven't burned through. Yeah, and I noticed you didn't give it to Snoop. No. Squandered opportunity. You're like, you don't want that. I don't think Snoop wants that. Maybe he does. I can't take give it to Snoop. No. The squandered opportunity. I was like, you're like, you don't want that. I don't think Snoop wants that.

Maybe he does. I can't take a chance with Snoop. Okay, so Bricea is moonshine from the state of Jalisco, which is where I live in Mexico. And it's similar to mezcal, so it comes from the agave plant. And that is the end of my explanation, because after that, I am confused. I don't know why you like it. I don't know why either. I don't love most booze.

Really? I love drinking. But I love whiskey. I love scotch. I love ricea. So you like strong stuff. I don't like tequila. I don't like vodka.

I don't like rum. Yeah, you're a strong drinker. Well, obviously, if you like ricea, you're a strong drinker. Well, obviously. If you like ricea, you're a strong drinker. You like stuff you feel. Yeah. But I mean, I can't explain it. I can't explain why I don't like tequila, but I like ricea, which everybody else hates.

Okay, thank you. You don't have to explain shit. You're like, Megan, just do you. You live your life. You do you, girl. You like what you like. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so what I brought, this is actual moonshine.

It didn't come in this bottle. My friend put it in this bottle for me. But she actually bought it from on the top of a mountain in Yalapa from a guy. Have you tested it yet? I've tried it. So it's okay? No. No?

It's not going to kill you. Yeah, I mean, does it kill you? No, no, no, it's okay? No No? It's not gonna kill you I mean Yeah I mean does it kill you? No no no it's good I mean they've been making this stuff for centuries So they put in that bottle Did you put the label? They sell it out of 2 liter coke bottles

I feel like that's the one we should try This is what This came out of a 2 liter like coke bottle Yeah we have to try it We should definitely try that one That's the one we gotta try I wanna look at your face okay are we putting it in mugs yeah okay i mean fuck it this is not formal no we're not in

these coffee mugs here because i'm probably gonna pour coffee in it later just go dude you're gonna hate this i promise and i and then after i'm gonna give you some that you might actually like and if you don't like it then i give up on you forever. Oh, no. I'm a whiskey guy. Then we're not friends anymore. I love whiskey too. Buffalo Trace. Always. That's my kind of shit.

Cheers, my friend. Cheers. Nice to see you again. Very good to see you. Okay. Boy, dude. I just got ricey all over my face. And that's what happens when you drink it in mugs

that tastes like it came from a fucking coke bottle do you like it at all? like I don't know I kind of like it obviously you're like I mean let me tell you well Megan you're a strong cup of coffee as a human

You know and it makes sense That you would like a strong beverage Okay thank you That actually makes sense I appreciate that It makes sense It fits you It's either 47 or 48 proof And the way that they test the proof

They ain't testing shit She showed me a video by she showed me a video my friend showed me a video and the the guy who's making it put it in this little thing and then blue bubbles with a straw and then he looks at the bubbles like he looks at the size of the bubbles and sees like how fast they pop and that's how you know oh super accurate is he snake charm as well? Like, what the fuck? This one I bought from the bar across the street from my house because I really loved it.

I was like, this is so good. Yeah? And I couldn't find it anywhere. Like, I couldn't buy it anywhere. So I just bought it off of them. So is that a popular beverage with Mexicans or is it a popular beverage with the expats? More like Mexicans.

This is beautiful. Yeah, this one is beautiful. This one actually to me tastes more like a mezcal. Do you like mezcal? Yeah, I do. This one is smokier. So you might like this one. But I also like the bottle. I like how the bottle comes with that little necklace.

Yeah. You can wear that if you want. No. It's not my style. But it is Pride Month. It would fit for Pride Month. Perfect. Yeah.

You can represent your LGBTQ allies or whatever. Or leprechauns. Or leprechauns, yeah. Whatever. whatever leprechauns or leprechauns yeah whatever um but yeah like i mean mexicans this kind of stuff they only sell to locals like they don't sell this in stores they sell it to the locals who live in that area so yeah mexicans like it i mean some mexicans most people that i know think i'm a crazy person also like in mexico they like, you're the only person who buys this, Megan. Like you burn through all of our ricea and nobody else buys ricea.

Is that mostly what you drink down there? Yeah. Wow. Like I drink red wine with dinner or at home. But if I go out, I drink ricea. Can you get that? Have you ever tried to get a bar in the States? Like have you ever gone to Austin and asked for ricea?

No. I don't think they would know what that is. Maybe I'll try. Try it tonight. Give it a shot. Okay. I'm going to try to not get too wasted tonight because I have an event tomorrow. Oh, what's your event?

It's called Women Leaving the Left. Oh. It's a panel of women, females, adult human females. And it's at the Austin Central Library on West Caesar Chavez. Did I say that right? Yeah. Yeah, 710. And it's basically like, I've been writing a lot lately about,

sorry, I'm just going to launching into my spiel or whatever. I've been writing a lot lately about like my political transformation, I suppose you could call it. I mean, I was super left wing for my whole life. Like from when I was a kid, I grew up in like a Marxist household. So I was like a socialist and a feminist my whole life. Until maybe, I don't know, two or three years ago, I started feeling like I wasn't super into the labels anymore.

And definitely started feeling, becoming very critical of the left. And not just the way the left had treated me which has been abhorrent um but ideologically i think that there's problems it's not you know what specifically bothers you well i mean i i guess so part of the thing that happened was that I realized that attaching yourself to any movement and any ideology limits critical thought and independent thought. Yes. You get trapped into this box and the people that you're allied with in these movements also trap you into that box. allied with in these movements also trap you into that box. And I am a writer and that's, you know, I'm a thinker, you know, like I want to learn, I want to know, and I want the freedom to change my mind about things. Um, I want the freedom to explore new ideas and I want the freedom to talk to, you know, I also do two podcasts and I want to be able to,

part of the reason I do it is because it's interesting. Like it's a great way to learn. I'm sure you know that, right? Like I've learned so much just from the opportunity to talk to so many different kinds of people and ask them questions about things that I don't know about. It's an amazing resource.

It's amazing. Running a podcast and being able to have conversations with people. It's changed who I am. I mean, if you go back 12 years ago to when I started the podcast, what I know and the way I talk and the way I think about things, it's very different. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure that that played a large role in my changing my mind about all sorts of things right because you're exposed to new ideas and different perspectives and people who

come from different backgrounds and I mean I just feel like so many people on the left and so many people in feminism are siloed and that is probably true about the right to a certain extent it's just that i'm much less familiar with the right because i've never been involved with the right before right but i feel like on the left and in feminism they're around people who only agree with them who only see things their way and they refuse to speak to anybody yes who doesn't see things their way which you know exacerbate exacerbates the problem um and i didn't want that i felt intellectually bored also like i was like okay i feel like i'm just repeating myself now so i'm not even thinking critically about what i'm saying i already know the analysis i already

know the mantra i know what my response is supposed to be I know what words I'm supposed to plug in right you know patriarchy capitalism yeah intersectionality I'll know I never got fully into that nonsense but you know and I and I I really like I was I really have been treated very badly by the left and by feminists. When you say that, though, don't you think it's just specific people that are attached to an ideology? It's not like people that are left-wing people have treated you badly. It's a very specific kind of people that decide that you are venturing away from the ideological boundaries. It's partly that, but I think that is connected to left-wing politics and left-wing ideology.

At least now. Maybe that wasn't true in the 70s. But left-wing thoughts, right? This is the thing that I have a problem with, with all this stuff. It's like, I'm very open-minded and very liberal when it comes to gay rights, women's rights, civil rights, all, you know, even things that I'm still on the fence about now, like universal basic income, boy, I was, I was all in until the pandemic and then watching the way people behaved when they got a hold of a lot of unemployment and the money from the government, the COVID relief money,

and they didn't want to work anymore. I was like, ooh. I mean, I know it's not a lot of people. It's not like all the people react in the exact same way. But I have friends that own businesses and they couldn't get people to work for them. I have a friend who owns a restaurant and he couldn't get a bartender.

The bartender would only work for $20 an hour, or excuse me uh for 20 hours a week so that he could get unemployment and he was like what the fuck man like yeah i mean but i i think that's partly um i mean yeah that's true i mean it's like but i think it's that's partly like baked into left wing ideology nowadays because there's this like opposition to, you know, independence. There's an opposition to trying to better yourself as an individual person. There's an opposition to individualism because you're supposed to blame the system. Yeah. You're supposed to blame capitalism, racism, patriarchy, you know, and then all the myriad of phobias, transphobia, fat phobia. And so the solution is not to change you. It's not your fault. It's their fault because they're phobic or the system's trying to keep you down.

So I think that like not wanting to work anymore is like, well, like, why should I? I don't have to. Like, they don't realize that it's like it's good for your mental health to work. Like you're not supposed it's not good for your mental health to sit around in your apartment on Netflix or on Zoom or on social media or on dating apps or looking at porn all day. Well, the thing is, it's like it's not good to not be self-sustaining is my thought. I think there's an issue. I think for many people, you get unemployment and you use that unemployment to try to find another job and to sustain yourself, and it's great. But for some people, there is a general human tendency to, when you're offered a break, to take that break. When you're offered money to do nothing, to do nothing, and you'll do nothing. I think my thoughts about universal basic income were, and this is what I liked about it,

I liked the idea of giving a person an opportunity where, like, we pay for so many things. We just sent $40 billion to Ukraine, right? Why can't we figure out a way to give people enough money to sustain themselves so that they could actually pursue their interests and do what they want to do? And I think that would make for a stronger world, a stronger economy, a stronger community of people and happier, healthier people. That was my thought. But then when I saw how people reacted with the government money from COVID relief and from from unemployment, I was thinking, man, I don't know, there's a lot of people that aren't going to react the right way. And what they're going to do is they're going to take an easy way out and they're going to lay around. And that sucks. If you give people an opportunity to be lazy, unfortunately, a lot of people are going to be lazy. And the problem is if you oppose that,

if you oppose that relief, then people say you're cruel and you're not looking out for the working people. And it's like, that's not, first of all, I hate those fucking categories like working people. God damn it. Everybody's working. Shut the fuck up. It's not a working people issue. We're all working. Everyone's doing something, right? Or you're not. And if you're not, that is the problem. The problem is when people don't want to do anything because that is a general instinct that people have towards laziness. And the problem, I think, with whether it's universal basic income or any other social safety nets, which I very much support for the most part, is that some people, it's not everybody, but some people have a tendency to just be fucking lazy. Yes. And again, this is attached to, I think, leftist ideology, because I think what I realized of late is that leftist ideology is about idealism. Like, it's like, we want to create this world

and this is the way the world should be. But in reality, that world doesn't exist and people don't work like that. Like, what they want, and I'm saying this as somebody who believed these things. Like, people have, people get really mad at me. People are mad at me all the time. Nothing new.

But, you know, people, when I start criticizing the left, people get angry at me but people are mad at me all the time um nothing new but you know people when I start criticizing the left people get angry at me first of all because people I think like to categorize people and box them in and when they start moving outside of the box they get angry and confused and frustrated and so they'll just want to write you off or hate you or call me right wing or whatever but you know I I was a leftist and i thought like these people and i thought that it was right and the reason that i was a leftist is because i care about people it's not because i'm an evil communist like right the right is very bad at writing people off too it's like all these communists it's like these people don't even really know what communism is

they i'm sure they've never read marx for most part. But, you know, I didn't want people to be poor. I didn't want people to not have housing and food and access to health care and education. I wanted things to be more equal and just. That's why I was a leftist. But the solution was an idea. You know, like if we create this kind of society then we'll all live in happy communities and everybody will work and nobody will slack off and like there'll be no exploitation and like rape will disappear and oppression will disappear and that's not what happens in the real world that's not what's happened in places that have implemented communist regimes no so. So, and you know, you can't, I don't think that it's good to base a movement

on idealism and ideas that are not rooted in material reality. Do you think, I mean, the argument is always that socialism has never been implemented correctly. This sort of utopian idea of what a real, genuine, compassionate socialist community could look like that's never really been done correctly. But do you think it's a human nature issue?

Do you think it's like the idea of socialism is great on a surface level if you're thinking about people that work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute? work hard and that want everyone else to do well and they want to all contribute. Like you, I think you could have a socialist community of very driven, disciplined people where they, they share, they share things. Like we have some socialist things, right? Like the fire department is an excellent example of socialism because we pay in to this thing that supports these people who put out fires.

And nobody complains about it. It's a normal thing. It's something that we contribute to. It's like a fund. And that fund puts out fires. And it puts out fires, you know, based on your tax dollars that you put into it. And you don't want a society where if you don't have money, they don't put the fire out. Right?

But some people would argue that that's where it ends. Like you shouldn't have that and extend that to education. You shouldn't have that and extend that to health care. I think that's where socialism could work. And I don't mean socialism like across the board. I mean socialist ideas. I think the idea of a Universal health care system where everyone is covered and you never have to worry about anything like bankrupting you because you broke a leg or you hurt your back like that you're taken care of and that we all contribute to

That and again, we can give 40 billion dollars to Ukraine, why the fuck can't we do that? We can do that. That's totally possible. The education system, the idea that you have to be in debt. I was reading this story the other day about this woman who was $250,000 in debt from student loans, and she took out $150,000. So over the course of the interest that's accumulated she's got a hundred thousand dollars more in interest i'm like what the fuck is that dude and you can't get rid of that it's fucked tell me about it like i mean i i support public health care still like i do think

that it is imperative that people have access to health care and i think the health care system in america is horrible because i think the aspect of it that's horrible is that people can go into insane amounts of debt because they got sick or hurt like that's not okay to me it's not okay and the same student loan debt you're like you're right like right. You get an amount of debt that you can't afford to pay off with the job that you've gotten from going to university. And then they're charging you all this interest. So it makes it doubly impossible to pay it off. And it's like a trap. And you can't get out of it.

No. You can't declare bankruptcy on it anymore. You used to be able to. Yeah. You could sell some horrible medication that kills people get sued for it lose all your money go bankrupt and you're good you it'll absolve you of your debts but that's one of the rare forms of debt that you cannot escape which is crazy because you're you're giving it to 18 year olds you have an 18 year old doesn't have a fully formed brain. I want the money.

But also like I couldn't afford to go to school full time. I could not. I was like, you know, for my whole life until I was able to, you know, make a living off of what I'm doing now, which took a lot of work and me working for free for many, many years. I had like three jobs all through university. Like I was always working full time and you're trying to complete a degree and they make that impossible too. You can't complete a degree part time. At least I couldn't in Canada because I couldn't take classes and like I couldn't finish a degree only by taking night classes. It's impossible. So eventually

you have to quit your job and you have to go into debt. Like people who are critical of students who rack up a ton of student loan debt and can't pay it off don't seem to understand. They're like, why don't you get a summer job and save money over the summer? And I was like, I don moved to the States. I have to pay rent. Like my parents aren't paying for my life for me. I like I don't have any money to save. Sometimes I don't have enough money to get on the bus and I have to walk to work. This is when I was like, you know, 19, 20. Like I was broke most of my life. Like no, I wasn't poor. Like I don't want to be like, what was me? Like I always had a house and, you know, something to fall back on. Like I was never going to be homeless. It wasn't like I don't want to be like what was me like I always had a house and you know something to fall back on like I was never gonna be homeless it wasn't like I couldn't eat but

I there was no saving money like I did not have thousands of dollars to pay tuition I had to take out student loan debt I had no choice right do you think that there's a certain amount of struggle like that that is not just uh good for you but necessary in order to like steal your discipline and create a person who can overcome adversity like if if everything is handed to you this is the argument that the right will use right that um if you make things too easy if you give people free education if you give people free health care, that they're going to become soft and we need a resilient, tough country that works hard. And the way you get people to work hard is you force them to because that's the only way that people are going to do it. I think it's true in some ways. I mean, I think that struggle is imperative and important.

I think that you need pain to experience and understand pleasure. Um, I think if there's just, everything is easy for you. I think you get really depressed. Like you need to work hard and you know what it, you have to know what it means to like suffer and feel pain and to like be bad at things and to like get better at things.

Yeah. Um, I know I don't need to tell you this but like i i mean what i experienced was useful to me in the long term i think because i understand like i understand real life i understand why people go into debt. I understand how hard it is for people who are poor and working class to get out of that. Like what a lot of people on the right don't understand is that class still is a real thing in North America. It's not as overt or as visible or as extreme as it is in third world countries. But it's still it's still real.

I mean, if you if you are born poor and working class, it's not that it's impossible to get out of it. You can and lots of people do. And that's incredible. But you're challenged in so many different ways mentally and in terms of systemic barriers, you know, being able to get a degree, for example, and having the kind of credit that you need to take out loans to buy property, get a house, so on and so forth. But there's like a mental barrier that I experienced because I thought I'm working class I'm always going to be working class I don't understand money I don't understand capitalism I think this is partly to do with my politics also I'll say that um like I don't know I don't know how to make money I don't know how to save money I don't have like business sense and I was I limited myself in that way

um because I just thought I was like I'm never gonna be able to own property like I'm never gonna be able to afford to buy a house so whatever like so I'm just gonna work at you know making fifty thousand dollars a year and pay my rent and that's the end of that like and I think that people who come from money see money as an option. It's accessible to them. So I think that they might work harder to make more money and to, you know, invest and to save and to. Well, they also have examples of people who've done it. So they can see it.

They could see it happening. And they see a path to if you have an uncle that started a business and became successful, you go, oh, I see how to do it. I mean, and I knew when I was a kid. I knew when I was a teenager, and this is still true now, that a lot of people who own houses and properties, that's because they had family money. You know, their parents put their down payment down for them. So if you don't have that, I don't have that. So I was like, how am I, like, what, I'm going to save up $30,000, like, for a down payment? I'm going to save up $30,000 for a down payment?

Yeah. The term working class, one of the things that bugs me about it is it's one of those things that gets used often as a cheap political ploy. We're here for the working class. Yeah. And then people, you need to support the working class. That's what drives me nuts about it because it's this weird sort of categorization of people because it does Classify people and almost an inescapable little tomb, you know, you're the working class. You're part of the working class Mm-hmm. What is it? What if what the fuck does that even mean? Like are you talking about people that are struggling to pay their bills?

Yeah, well, that's the majority of people that's the majority people and oftentimes what we consider not the working class of people. That's the majority of people. And oftentimes what we consider not the working class, people are such knuckleheads that if they make $400,000 a year, they spend $399,000. You know, and they become the working class. They have a lot of other stuff that they have to pay for. You just called me a knucklehead. Is that you? I mean, I don't, I didn't make that much money, but I'm like, oh shit, there's money in my bank account.

Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? It's like the thing about the idea of the working class is that people are struggling. And I totally get that. I totally understand that. And I do think that we need to protect those people. That's why I'm in favor of universal basic health care, of universal health care. And that's why I'm in favor of social safety nets. That's why I'm in favor of community programs and making things more accessible to people. And definitely I'm in favor of at least reducing the burden of the cost of education in a massive way.

Maybe lift the barrier to entry to education. Make it harder to get in in terms of like the output that you have to put forward. Make it harder to get in in terms of the output that you have to put for it. Make it difficult to get in, but make it so that when you get in, once you're in there, there's going to be community colleges that you can go to. There's going to be places you can go to if you're not going to be able to make it to a university. But the idea that you should be $150,000 in debt and that it's $200,000 after years and years of interest accumulating. It's crazy. And you can't get out of it.

That's crazy. That's a sick industry. It's a sick industry and it captures so many fucking people. It really does. It's crippling. Yeah. And I totally agree with you. I support all of those things too.

So it makes you a lefty see what i'm saying well i i mean i think it's it's part of this again is that i don't want to categorize myself as anything right because then you get stuck in these boxes and it's like well you're a leftist so you have to support black lives matter you're a leftist so you have to believe women you're a leftist so you have to you know want to open the borders you want to abolish the police yeah blah blah blah blah blah that's what i don't want and i don't and i don't want to be trapped in any category or ideology i support practical ways to help people so if these policies work to help people then i support them if there's different policies that are categorized as right wing that help people that are better

that are more effective then i'll support those policies that's what i mean and and also you know what the left has become is totally different than what the left used to be i don't believe that the left supports the working class or cares about the working class. I think that the left is caught up in, I think that the left consists of middle and upper class people who don't know any poor people, who don't know any marginalized people,

who don't know working class people, who don't know, you know, they're advocating for people as these groups and categories that exist in their head. And I say this because I'm from Vancouver. I lived in Vancouver my entire life. And Vancouver is a very left wing place. All of my friends were left wing. I didn't have a single right wing friend. I didn't know any right wing people. I barely even knew like any religious people. I knew a whole bunch of people who were like me do you have right wing friends now yeah i think so um like i've i've met basically since i was kicked off twitter i you know that was like a blessing

in disguise in some ways for people don't know you we should just like give just for people who didn't listen to the other episode i met megan because i was outraged um and i brought it up in i brought up your case in the conversation with jack dorsey i brought it up multiple times in the podcast because you were kicked off twitter for life for saying a man can never be a woman which is madness. Yeah. It's like... Men aren't women, is what I said. Yeah. Apparently men are allowed to say that.

Matt Walsh is allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to say that. What do you mean? Like, after I got kicked off of Twitter, I saw right-wing men on Twitter saying the same things that I have said. Then they weren't kicked off of Twitter. Really?

And I think that's because... Were you in a conversation with a trans person when you said that? Not that I'm aware of I don't know who was in the conversation. It was part of a thread and It wasn't like I was saying to somebody you're not a woman It was in response to a tweet that was sort of confusing and me saying but men aren't women though What was the do you remember what the I don't remember what the context is to be so you but it was that there was like three tweets but also like they i believe that twitter was going after me specifically because i was speaking critically about gender identity ideology and because I was asking these kinds of questions that I like, I don't think that it was specifically because of these tweets.

I think they took those tweets as an excuse. And I think they were trying to get rid of me. And then they're like, OK, that's hateful. And when you say they, it's probably just some moderator. It's probably someone who has a subjective opinion about what you say and whether or not you should say it. And that's a problem generally that a lot of people have with the censorship that's on social media, Twitter in particular. You know, one of the weird things that's happening now with Elon Musk buying Twitter or attempting to buy Twitter, they've done something different. Twitter they've done something different and one of the things they've done different is

I gained now it's 900,000 followers in the month or so yes a lot of people really like you so maybe 900,000 more people were like I designed it I love Joe Rogan

I think I was in a box well Megyn Kelly said the same thing did you hear her say that? she gained a lot? She gained a ton. Like 100,000 or... I don't remember the number, but a lot. Something's going on.

Like it was really noticeable. And so she was like... She's like, I'm pretty sure Twitter was, you know... Shadow man. Messing around with my account. Yeah, I think so. I think there's something... Something was going on.

I mean, I'm just guessing. The other option could be their bots. that I've gained 900,000 bots, but it's, it's like every time I look, it's like another hundred thousand. It's crazy. It's, it, it grows faster than anything. And Instagram is the opposite. Instagram seems to have hit the brakes on me. Like somewhere, somewhere around six months ago something happened it seems like it's it's slowed down growth a lot i don't check it too much so i might be wrong i might be you know i mean maybe it's something they've done with their algorithm where they uh prefer videos over photographs now which i think they do they are they're trying to go more video i believe i read

that that's where the viral viral effect really takes place. And I see with my kids with TikTok. You know, I have one daughter who's a heavy TikToker. Oh, yeah. She's always doing dances with her friends. Never been on TikTok. I don't really understand how it works. You're not 14.

That's true. But little girls, they get together and they do dances. And they like to memorize dances and sync it to music and and then they're watching all these other people tick tock and doing all these other and it's like tick tock just hits you with video after video after video and they just get you hooked you open that app up and it's like you're already like oh movement things are happening and this is what they're trying to do i believe with instagram i think so too and i i did i've read that i don't get it because i hate watching videos on instagram and i hate watching videos

on my phone in general like if i'm gonna because i'm an old person i guess like i'm like if i want to watch a video i want to look at a big screen like i'll watch stuff on my laptop but i i hate i don't like reading stuff i don't like using my. I don't even like texting on my phone, to be honest. Like, I text on my laptop. But, I mean, I sort of think that Instagram messes with me a little bit, too. They refuse to verify my account. I've tried, like, five times. How many followers do you have?

14,000. No, sorry. Is that right? What's the number that you think? You can go check. Who cares? I don't want to pretend like I don't give a shit, because I do give a shit, but not that big of a shit.

Is there a number that you have to reach before they'll verify you? Oh, I went up to 14.3K today from two. Congratulations. Thank you. But I just felt like my posts were getting less traction all of a sudden and they were no different than what I'd been posting before. Yeah.

I don't know what that is. Like that could just be coincidental. But I know some people have definitely been fucked with and you know wasn't there a football player who complained a lot about it Jamie and then eventually he got let out of Instagram jail. Why does he need a, like he's a football player.

Like what does he need an Instagram account for? I need an Instagram account because it's how I make a living. Well, he does too. That's how you get sponsors. When you're a football player, you have to get sponsorships. Oh, if you have lots of followers. Yeah. Okay.

Fine. Fine. I'm sorry, football player. I like sports. Well, the more followers. Fine, fine. I'm sorry, football player. I like sports. Well, you think about it. I mean, if you have a large following like a Tom Brady,

I mean, God, how many sponsors does he have? Oh, okay. You know, I mean, that's an amazing way to make an income. You don't need

an Instagram account to throw a ball. You need it for Gatorade and Nike and all the car sponsors and all kinds of different things. When those guys

have a large following, that's very valuable, which is really an interesting thing. It's like what is social media for? Are you using it as a business or are you using it to be social? Are you just having fun and expressing yourself or are you using it to maximize your brand, air quotes? I mean, I don't brand. I swear to God I don't.

Obviously, I'm a very authentic person i believe you i i just i mean i i have to use social media for work because i work for myself so it's the only way i can get what i produce out into the world and it's the that's how i make an income almost solely through individual donations like so people who send me donations through my website or they sign up to my patreon or they pay for a subscription on subspdac which i don't i haven't put anything behind a paywall so you can people can just choose to pay or not so i just appreciate it if people pay because that's how i make an income but like i don't have I don't there's no institution there's no other but I also I would not really I don't think I would

have a public Instagram account if I hadn't been I didn't start a public Instagram account until I was kicked off of Twitter like I have to do that I don't love spending a bunch of time on social media did you enjoy Twitter though? yes I'm like I don't know why everybody complains about twitter all the time because i really like

twitter you tried to get back on because i know some people that were banned before they they try to get back on they got back on i i appealed twice since recently yeah yeah so since elon musk announced that he was going to Twitter, we'll see if that actually goes through or not. They just gave into one of his demands. Oh, did they? Yeah. They just released they see if you can find what the article says. But essentially, he said, unless they give him access to data so he can find out how many of his accounts are fake. access to data so he can find out how many of his accounts are fake. Right.

Because his take on it was like if you were going to buy something and you were buying it under the assumption that, okay, here it goes. Twitter set to turn bot data over to Musk. All right. So this says that Twitter's board is reportedly set to pull an about face offering Elon Musk internal data on hundreds of millions of tweets as advised for the billionaire to complete his acquisition of the social media company. Twitter set to turn over information to Musk, capturing more than 500 million tweets. The device the post came from and other information about the account holders, the Washington Post reported Wednesday, citing an unnamed person

familiar with the matter. Such a move would help respond to Musk's repeated demands for more information about the composition of Twitter's user base and the extent of its problem with bots. Musk has challenged Twitter's claims that just 5% of its accounts are bots, calling the way the company calculates fake accounts very suspicious in a May tweet. So I'm really interested to see how this plays out because he is what he would describe as a free speech absolutist and i think that that is something that people are reluctant to uh to agree is a a good thing because they're worried about the negative aspects of free speech you know they're worried about assholes and you know and and trolls and all that stuff. Toughen up, man. Toughen up. And I'm not joking. Yeah.

I was calling myself a free speech absolutist for a while. And then I interviewed Michael Salina, who's with the Founders Fund. And he organized Hereticon, which was a conference that I went to in Miami in January. That was like amazing. It was basically like a wrong think conference. Was it good? It was amazing. Yeah January that was amazing. It was basically a wrong-think conference. Was it good? It was amazing. Yeah? It was awesome. Do you smoke cigars?

No. You want one? No. Okay. I'll choke. I want more Racia, though. Okay. I smoked cigarettes from the time I was 13 until 21. You got your Racia's right next to you. Well, I want to open a different one because I want you to try this one. Will you try some more or no? It's nasty. Dude, this one is good. I swear to God. Okay, I want to open a different one because I want you to try this one. Will you try some more or no? It's nasty.

Dude, this one is good. I swear to God. Okay, listen. If you don't like this one, well, I already said I'd give up on you if you don't like this one. Look at how beautiful the label is in any case. It's a nice bottle. It's a real pretty poison. Okay, well, I'm going to have more.

Go ahead. I love the smell of cigars, and I've always wished that I could, but I don't know how to not inhale, so I choke. Because I treat it like a cigarette. Do you smoke cigarettes? Well, I quit when I was 21, and I hate cigarettes now. But I quit when I was 21, which was good timing, because that was around the same time when all the bars started not letting you smoke inside.

I used to go to the bar and drink beer and smoke cigarettes inside the bar. The good old days. I used to like comedy clubs and be smoky. Can you imagine? Ew. Now? Yeah. In Mexico, like in Sayulita, where I live, you can smoke anywhere you want.

And I take it because I love Sayulita and I love freedom of Mexico and I love that there's no rules. But when I leave the bar and I wake up the next I wake up the next day coughing my hair stinks my clothes stink yeah like you're probably catching a buzz though even though you're probably so many people smoke there it's crazy and coming from somewhere like Vancouver that's like a super healthy place so nobody see it smells so good like I really like it but I can't do it I get it i get it um and you're not gonna peer pressure me i'm not even trying notice notice i haven't tried that was a joke i know aren't you a comedian i went along

with it didn't you see yeah i went along with your joke thank you i appreciate that um you used to be able to smoke in dallas like up until like fairly recently because I remember the Addison Improv which is a club I love uh it's a suburb of Dallas they had uh smoking shows and I want to say it was in the 2000s I don't know when they stopped doing it interesting like okay well actually no because so I sorry I should speak into the microphone um I know about this. I know how mics work. Yeah. Well, I've had like the last podcast that I did with you, I saw online a ton of people being like, Megan got drunk.

And I'm like, dude, I had two drinks. Do you know how many drinks, do you know how much ricea I drink? Like if I go out to like party, like I'm like, I'm going out. I drink like, I don't know know like 11 or 12 shot like shots of ricea like two drinks i drink 11 or 12 i can drink so much ricea it's crazy i don't even know how this is like once a week this is not i mean maybe that sounds like i'm like it's not every day like 12 shots and i go through it really it's, I go through it real fast. Sometimes I have to switch to whiskey so that I slow down because I can't drink whiskey as fast as I can drink Garcia.

That doesn't make any sense either. No, it doesn't make, none of it makes sense to me. But so they, so I think in Vancouver, so when I was 21, that would have been like 2001. And that was around the same time, I think. I'm really bad at math. Like they were cutting out smoking in bars probably around 99, 2000, around that time. And before that, there were still restaurants and cafes with smoking sections, which was no different from the other section.

And, yeah, you could go to bars and clubs and smoke. I would always come home with, like, cigarette burns on my fingers and holes in my mesh tank tops. I remember that in restaurants. Cigarette sections, smoking sections of restaurants. And it's just not that chair, but that chair. Yeah. And not ventilation that's set chair, but that chair. Yeah. And not ventilation that's set up to really filter things out very well either. Vegas is set up pretty well. Vegas, you can still smoke indoors, can't you?

This is real smooth, Joe. Yeah? James says yes. I really think you should try it. Fuck, I hate your poison. This is real smooth, she says. It is. She's such a crackhead.

Please believe me. It is. is like this i was like yeah oh my god megan's not smooth it's nasty this one is not smooth that one is well you fucked up she started me off with a good one there's still time we'll get there i'm a proponent of you know you having the ability to do whatever you want the problem is like the people that work there if you're if you're smoking and like that there's so many cases of uh people that are waiters or waitresses in a bar and they they get cancer from lungs yeah and they don't smoke it's horrible yeah i can't imagine having to work in those bars and clubs or work on airplanes when everybody's smoking on the airplane.

That's the craziest thing. You're in a fucking tube in the sky. I'm not old enough for that, but that's strange. What year did that stop? I want to say that stopped in the 90s, right? Really? I don't know. I mean, I'm trying to think of when I was first on a plane.

I don't know. I think Dice Clay used to have a bit about it. Maybe earlier than that. Probably, I mean, so they were still doing it in the 80s, you think? It had to be late 80s, because I think Dice had a bit about it in like 89 or 90. You're in a fucking tube. Yeah. He had this whole bit about like a section.

He's like, we're breathing the same fucking air. Yeah. I mean, I really, I don't I mean, I don't like it, and I think that it is unfair to impose that on employees who have to be there. Yeah, that's the problem. The problem is the people that work. It's a workplace environment safety issue. But if you have a social club that doesn't have employees, there's places that set up uh they set up places as social clubs so that they can get around certain rules okay because it's like a private space like uh cigar

bars cigar bars have that kind of setup you know or like hookah lounges is that similar i've never interesting i've never tried a hookah i'm like it's it's good. It's good. What's the point? I don't get it. Like a head rush, wild tobacco, like a head rush, like nausea. That's what,

if I try to smoke a cigarette now, cause I, every once in a while in general, I find it gross, but every once in a while I'll be like, there'll be a cigarette smell that appeals to me. For some reason, it probably smells like my leg to Moriae ultra light King size that I used to

smoke when i was 17 and i'm like i want to try a cigarette and then i'm like oh that was fucking disgusting and now my mouth tastes like an ashtray and it makes me feel ill like i was lucky about quitting smoking because when i started smoking less the cigarette started making me feel sick so if i would have a cigarette i would feel sick like it was not hard i wasn't like oh lord i love smoking cigarettes so much i think i just smoked cigarettes because i was like a teenager and i was nervous and wanted to fit in yeah right yeah it's um it's interesting you could down 11 shots of roysia and that doesn't make you feel ill and a cigarette would make you feel ill i sip the shots

i'm not like doing but you're fucking 11 of them they have to get down eventually i am a very you're robust i come from robust irish stock like that's what it is it's the irish stock totally yeah it has to be i mean it's a really great I appreciate it. I would be so sad if I had like two shots of ricey and was like, woo, got to go to bed. Well, it's weird how it is genetic and that some people of certain ancestry, they don't have a historical, you know, there's not like a lot of history of their ancestors drinking alcohol and they struggle with it. Whereas Irish people generally, well, you know, but there are a lot of Irish of their ancestors drinking alcohol and they have they struggle with it whereas irish people generally well then you know but there are a lot of irish alcoholics but they they can put it down better for whatever reason yeah i mean you also have to know how to drink like i i don't do shots like i wouldn't go to the bar and do a tequila shot because i don't want to get wasted

and black out like i want to keep going until 5 a.m so you gotta what is the appeal of drinking to you like what is that thing this is an interesting question and i thought about this a lot yeah i have i think about it all the time because like because i don't love drugs um do you like pot no not at all nope i't like it. I tried for many years to smoke weed, and not for me. It makes me, I don't like the feeling of being high. I'm sorry. I know that's a strange thing to say. I apologize.

We've had this conversation three times today. You don't have to like what I like. I had a conversation three times today. You don't have to like what I like. This is the kind of podcast where you come on and you agree with everything I say or you're out and you're never coming back. What is it about? Is it the paranoia? Yeah, I feel paranoid.

I can't socialize. I get super self-conscious. So if I smoke weed, I have to stay home and lie on the couch and watch TV and eat candy. And that's not what I want to do in my life. I want to be out and socializing or I want to be productive I want to be able to work and I can't do any of those things like I so and I don't like the not knowing when it's going to end like I also I don't like mushrooms because I'm like okay this was fun for five minutes and now I feel weird and I don't have any control over this like I think I want to be in control control thing yeah um like I I also like I don't like uh like MDMA because it's this and like now I feel like I feel it makes me it doesn't do what it does to a lot of other people like it makes me

feel anti-social and like I want to go like sit in a corner and then wait for it to be done. I think I like drinking because it's social. Like I like going out with my friends and like, you know, laughing and being stupid and talking about stupid things and doing karaoke and like getting loose and wild. Yeah. And I work a lot. and wild and yeah and i work i work a lot like i think people think i'm on vacation all the time because i moved to a vacation town and probably i post a lot of vacation-y looking photos but i work you know five or six days a week like i work until 2 a.m like if i'm working i wake up at noon, mind you. It's not that bad. The grind continues as the alarm goes off and people are eating lunch.

It's almost dark. Is this because you're up late writing? Yeah. I work until 2 a.m. and then you're wired because you've been working. So then I watch a show. I do my best writing at night. Yeah. I write at 10 p.m.

Yeah. so then I like watch a show. I do my best writing at night. Yeah, I write at 10 p.m. Yeah. And then, yeah, and then I'll like try to unwind so I'll like watch a show. So I end up getting to bed

at like 3, 4 a.m. if I'm working. Which makes sense so you wake up at noon. Yeah, like and I need eight or nine hours of sleep. I honestly do. Like if I get less than that

I feel like shit. My brain doesn't work. My job is brain related. Like I have to be able to function. I eat badly. Like I don't want to work out. Like if I get less than that, I feel like shit. My brain doesn't work. My job is brain related. Like I have to be able to function. I eat badly. Like I don't want to work out. Like if I'm tired, my day is fucked. Yeah.

Um, most people eat badly if they don't get sleep. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Like it's like you crave junk food, like you crave sugar and like white bread. Yeah. Um, so it's just, yeah, it's bad all around. There's some sort of a reason for that. Um, so it's just, yeah, it's bad all around. There's some sort of a reason for that.

They, they, there's a, they've isolated some reason for why people make poor decisions with food when they're tired. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there is because I've, it's always been like that for me. Like I remember like when I had an office job, you know, and I had to be at work at eight in the morning or whatever, I would spend the whole day drinking like sugar coffees and then i'd want like a cookie yeah and i'd buy like some pastry thing at the cafe like it's yeah i mean i guess it's your body trying to keep you up like and i don't really eat that stuff very often now kind of kills your judgment too there's something

about it it's like it kills your ability to form, make good decisions. Yeah. I feel like office life is like so unhealthy. I think it works for some people. For me, it made me super depressed. I felt tired all the time. I ate badly. And like I would get to Friday and be so done that I'd be like, go party.

And then you party all weekend and you get to Sunday night and you're depressed and you have to go back to work again. Well, here's the thing that people are pushing back against a lot is the idea of doing remote office work. Like there's a lot of people that feel like they're more productive at home and then there's a lot of other people who feel like their employees need to be in the office because that's the only way they can keep track of whether or not they're being effective or whether or not they're actually working.

One of the things we found out during the pandemic is how many guys jerk off while they're on Zoom calls. Why are men so stupid? Honestly? Sorry. They're addicted. They're addicted to jerking off? Yeah, they're addicted to porn. Is it that they're looking that's like uh they're addicted to jerking off yeah they're addicted is it that they're looking at oh they're looking at porn yeah

gross yeah i think it's uh they're also they're when like i'm like why are you getting horny on a zoom call yeah it's not even horny it's a it's an it's like addict behavior that's what that is like if you Like, if you're a disciplined person and you're working, you should be working, right? You're working on a Zoom call. But I think that whatever work is so fucking boring or they're not really connected to it. So, like, I'm just going to mute my camera over here and wipe one off real quick. And maybe they think it's exciting to be able to jerk off while other people are talking. Like if it's risk-taking behavior.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like secret and the bad and the shame and it's all wrapped up in that. Yeah, there's something to that. But I mean, like a lot of people got busted. And they keep doing it. I mean, guys watch porn at the library,

like at the public library and like on the plane, which if I weren't, you know, a libertarian now, I'm sort of joking, I don't identify as libertarian, I would say that should be illegal. Like, it's like, you can't watch porn in public. Have you seen people watch porn on a plane? Really? No, but I've seen other people see other people watch porn. I've seen it on the internet, okay?

A friend of mine opened his laptop. I would be so upset if I saw a man watching porn on the, like, I would, I don't know what I would do. It's not legal, right? What are the laws of 30,000 feet? Does that count? I assumed it was legal. What are the laws up there in the sky?

Like, can you, like, it's not, I don't know if it's illegal to watch porn at the library because men do it. I don't think that's legal. They might kick them out because they'd be like You're gross Or if they tried to like whip out their Genitals Their gender neutral genitals But you know how there's like different laws If you're out in the middle of the ocean

Okay Is there different laws in space? I don't know the answer to this question Right? Like I wonder if the laws are exactly the same when you're at 30,000 feet. That's a good question, because where are you still in? Like, are you in America or are you in the ocean? Like, if you're over the ocean.

Right. What is that? Maybe it's up to the business. Like, maybe it's according to, like, American Airlines gets to decide whether or not you're allowed to watch porn on the plane. Oh. Here it is. Although some systems of national law still adhere to the view that ships and aircraft are part of the territory of the state, the nationality of which they possess, this is merely a crude metaphor.

In international law, a distinction has been made between three types of state jurisdiction, territorial jurisdiction over national territory and all persons and things therein, quasi-territorial jurisdiction over national ships and aircraft and all persons and things thereon, and personal jurisdiction over all other nationals and all persons under a state's protection as well as their property. In case of conflict, territorial jurisdiction overrides quasi-territorial jurisdiction and personal jurisdiction, while quasi-territorial jurisdiction overrides personal jurisdiction. Okay, so there's like tiers. Okay.

Territorial jurisdiction over national territory. So, but that does mean that in cases of conflict, that territorial jurisdiction overrides it. So that means that if you are over the United States of America, that is territorial jurisdiction because it's territorial. So like when you're in the ocean, that makes sense. It's nobody's, which is really kind of interesting right it's like we we allow people to own everything which can't own the ocean yeah i mean technically technically you're not allowed to own a beach in canada anyway is that true in the u.s too it is right is it but but you can still you can buy up all the property close to the beach and then like build like a fence so that people can't get through but you can't like my parents live on a small gulf island and i went to and you know like you in bc and on these islands you can go to beaches and there's nobody else there it's awesome

and it's like super beautiful forests are beautiful mountains are beautiful blah blah blah but i went to this one beach and there's a path down to the beach and it says no trespassing private property. But it's like, well, it's a beach. I'm going to go to the beach. And so we're down at the beach and the chick who owns the property comes down and is like, you know, like you're not allowed. Like you're basically you're allowed to come to the beach via a boat, but you're not allowed to walk down her path to the beach. So she's essentially created a private beach.'s like how did you get here like you guys aren't allowed to walk through this place and really I don't know we're just gonna swim back yeah it's weird people don't own the beach but you do own

everything above high tide you can own above high tide that's how it is in Malibu so I have a friend who has a place in Malibu and he was telling me that his sons were surfing and they were in this area and this guy didn't know that they were his sons. So the guy comes out and starts screaming and yelling at them. They get the fuck off the beach. And, you know, he got mad at the guy and then, you know, there's this conflict and the guy realized, oh, you live here. Okay. These are your sons. but you're not allowed to yell at people to surf like if because they were laughing and surfing in front of This guy's house, so he thought because he spent ten million dollars in this house He should be able to tell people you can't surf in front of my house

But there's been cases in Malibu where they hire private security. So you know what, I think it's called Billionaire's Beach, like Carbon Beach. So these people that have all this money buy these houses and then they hire private security to kick people off the beach. But they can't. You're not allowed to. So then there's lawsuits where people sue the people who kick them off the beach. And I don't know how they resolve that. But I know it's ongoing and technically the people that are the beach goers are correct you can't keep people off the beach it's everybody's yeah it's just it's just the getting there part that is technically illegal but of course these people do feel entitled and they're like this is my private beach like what are you doing on my

private beach if you want to buy a fucking place and you want to buy a place that's on the water that is what comes with the territory yeah people can ocean out right like people can do whatever they want with the ocean like you don't get to own that the problem is if like you know if you have a bedroom and you like to keep your windows open so you could hear the waves crash and you have people right below you and they're fucking partying playing shitty music. Too bad, bro. That's what you get for being rich. Wow.

What's the name? I'm joking. I hope to be rich someday. What is this, Jamie? I just picked that beach. Is that Carbon Beach? Yeah. See, that's beautiful. But I think where the people aren't allowed to go

is wherever high tide is. So I think high tide is like right up to there. So when that area, like walking on the beach, anybody can go there. They can go there, they can play, they can fuck around. But I think above that, it's supposed to be theirs, the person who's in front of the beach, which is like still kind of fucked.

This is so strange looking to me because I've not seen, like this isn't a thing in BC where the houses on the beach are just stacked up like townhouses. Oh, they're right next to each other. If you have a place on the beach, like, on the island, it's going to be, like, in the forest and, like, you have acreage. Well, Malibu's a weird spot like that because there's so much money. And these people are so rich and they're stuffed right next to each other. It's real weird.

It seems unpleasant to me. I rented a house there once because my kitchen was getting redone. And it wasn't bad because you don't notice that people are there because it's so loud. You hear the water crashing against the rocks and everything all day long. And it really is beautiful. Like in the morning, I would eat breakfast. We were only there for a couple of months, but I would eat breakfast in the morning,

and the way we were at, we were on this place that had like a deck, and the water was almost under the deck. So when you sit there eating breakfast, it's like you're on the water. I was like, oh, this is nice. It does sound nice. It's nice.

Like this is terrible. It's nice, oh, it's so nice. I would never want this. But that, to me, it's a very specific thing. Like, the kind of, like, what I like. I like to be, like, almost in the water. Almost in the water is beautiful. Because I got to look out and I was seeing, like, dolphins.

I was watching, like, seagulls swim around and shit and fly over here. I'm like, this is nice. Being near the ocean is the best. I mean, where did you grow up? Well, I grew up all over the place. I was born in New Jersey, but I only lived there until I was seven. I lived in San Francisco from seven to 11, and then I lived in Florida from 11 to 13,

and then I lived in Boston for the rest of the time. Like, I was born in Vancouver and grew up in Vancouver, so I was always near the beach. We did a lot of camping. I always swam. I would bike to Kitzpool every day all summer, which is right on the ocean. And now the idea of I live in a beach town now,

I would never live somewhere, or I think I would feel almost depressed living somewhere where where there was no ocean or i would feel trapped like i it's almost like a claustrophobic feeling like and lakes don't cut it it can't just be a body of water it has to be the ocean that i can see and access that's what you like and i don't even go in the ocean why well in sayulita i mean i i did in vancouver like i have been in the ocean but it's not like in sayulita i mean i i did in vancouver like i have been in the ocean but it's not like in sayulita like i don't go to the beach in sayulita no partly because i'm inside my house until it gets dark um but like i don't want to i'm not like a lie out in the sun kind of person i'm pale yeah i have a spray tan right now so that's why i'm looking so

i probably look almost like a normal human being you're many degrees lighter than me even with your spray tan i know that's part of the joke but i'm not gonna go loud in the sun because i'm just gonna get like skin damage and sweat and i can't like i work in the day like I was saying before like I work a lot like if I wake up I'm working until 2 a.m right every day except for Thursdays because that's karaoke night um but and no you do karaoke I'm not very good but I really like it I think that's part of the fun of karaoke is sucking at it I mean it's not fun if everybody's good right you're supposed to be bad and like you yell it's kind of sad when they are good well yeah it's sad if people take it seriously is what's sad it's sad they take it seriously like if you're good but you just happen to be good and you're still kind of joking around you're not taking yourself

seriously fine but if you're take it really seriously i think that's embarrassing and depressing untapped potential thing you're, this is my skill in life. Everybody else here is just here to have fun and scream into the microphone with their friends. I mean, it doesn't have to be sad. Let me expand on that. It's just sad if that's your moment. You know what's sad?

Unrealized dreams. That's what's sad. If you really wanted to be a musician, and karaoke is the place where you get to flex your muscles, but then you go back to the factory in the morning that's sad yeah or you wanted to be a pop star like you wanted to be famous yeah and it's sad because you're behaving as though you think that you're more talented than you actually are and i'm not sure if deep down inside you believe it, but you kind of project that. Like, I take this really seriously

because I'm very good at it and I'm very talented and I can't make a joke about this because that would, like, hurt my ego. I don't even know if it's a talent thing with music. I know so many talented people now living in Austin. Austin is an amazing place to go see live music. It's really fucking cool. There's so much live music here.

But what's stunning is you go to these bars and there's like 15 people in and you see this person on stage and they're fucking amazing. And you're like. But isn't it's the same thing with comedy. Like there's so many amazing comedians who like never really made it. Right. Sort of. Comedy today is more accessible. Comedians make it now more than ever before.

Talented people, which is great, they get on YouTube and they put a video up on YouTube, their own personal thing, and they'll get hundreds of thousands of views, millions of views. And do you make money off of that? Well, it's not just that. It's an advertisement for people to come see you in the clubs. That's really what it is. Like all comedy specials are just to let everybody know,

hey, this guy's good. You know, hey, look, she's doing it. This is it. You can watch her do this video and then see her when she's at the local club or the local theater. That's what it is. And that's more accessible now than ever before

because the barrier for entry is not as steep in that you don't need cooperation. Like a musician needs a band, unless you're acoustic and you just have a guitar, which that's a hard grind too, right? Yeah. But if you are a comedian, you just need a comedy club.

And there's so many comedy clubs and everybody's working. There's a lot of working comedians now. But what does it mean to make it as a comedian? Like what would make, is that your full time job? Yeah, full time job and to be able to sell out a club. Okay. Yeah, that's like, when we think of,

I had this conversation with these guys that opened for me the other day. I was telling them, I'm like you'm like, you've gone over the hump. The hardest part is being funny. I go, then it's all about continuing to work and continuing to write and continuing to get better and continuing to write new material. And then getting aligned with a group

of other comedians that can help. Because that's a big thing in comedy is people take you on the road with you. Like I take these guys on the road with me and I introduce them to the world. Like if people come to see me, you're gonna come to see me, but you're also gonna get to see Tony Hinchcliffe.

You're also gonna get to see Hans Kim. You're gonna get to see Joey Diaz. And through that, these guys have developed careers. So now they can go on the road. You know, like Tony sells out like big ass comedy clubs and theaters and he kills it they can go on the road. You know, like Tony sells out big ass comedy clubs and theaters and he kills it when he goes on the road. And it's because he did all the right things.

And, you know, he's a perfect example. Like Tony self-produced his own special and then sold it to Netflix. He paid for it, did the whole thing. Didn't that happen to Chris... DiStefano? Yeah, I really like him. Yeah, he's great. Like he just did his own Didn't that happen to Chris... DeStefano? Yeah. I really like him.

Yeah, he's great. He just did his own and then Netflix bought it. And Netflix bought it. Ari Shafir did the same thing. He made his own special, Netflix bought it. And a lot of people do that. It's easier. I don't think it's easier to be a great comedian.

No, that would be so hard. It's easier to, if you are a great comedian, it's easier to make a living. I have friends that are great musicians that are fucking just above poverty. Yeah, totally. I mean, there's lots of people who are great musicians and they have to keep their day job and they do it in their free time for fun, essentially. It's hard to bring people with you. You have to have musicians, you have to have fucking sound guys,

you have to have a drummer and a guitar player and people that carry your stuff, roadies and trucks for all your shit. Yeah, but I think with musicians and music, it's like being good. People aren't going to like your music just because you're good. Like just because you're really talented. Just because you're a really good musician. People aren't necessarily going to want to listen to it. And that's evidenced by the fact that so many people listen to like garbage, crap music.

Right, but isn't that just human taste? Like people. Or no taste. I mean. When I was younger, I used to think that way. I used to think that people who didn't like what I like were idiots. And people who liked things that I hated were morons. Oh, did you grow out of that?

Yeah, I grew out of that. Okay, we'll see how I do. I have, as I've gotten older, I've looked for less conflict in life at every given opportunity. I just try to find less conflict. And one of the best ways is to not care what other people like. Like, as long as they like, like, I'm not into mumble rap, but I have friends who love mumble rap. They like to smoke weed and listen to mumble rap.

I'm like, okay. I used to be like, what the fuck are you listening to? I don't understand a word this guy's saying. But now I'm like, okay. Okay. I understand that some people like different things than me yeah um but i think when it comes to music like there's some people who i think genuinely just aren't really into music which offends me because i'm really into

music and i love music and people who sort of i feel like there's some people who just turn it on and it's noise and they're like this is the popular popular thing. I'm just going to listen to it. That's what I mean by no taste. It's not like, um, people who are like, I don't have anything against country. It's not what I listened to in my spare time, but I totally understand and respect why people like country music. And there's some that I like. No, I, there's some that I like, but it's Sturgill Simpson. I don't know who that is. Say yes. You know what, dude? I was watching your podcast the other day, and you didn't know who Wilco was.

I didn't. That's weird. Why is it weird? I know who Wilco is. I know who it is now. Wilco's been around for a long time. They're a really well-known band. Well, Bert had to tell me. What a great story, though.

Yeah, beautiful. That was a beautiful story. Listening to that music on headphones, riding a bike next to wild horses and crying because he was so happy because it was such an amazing moment because the song was playing. I think he was buzzed, too. He's always drunk. He's probably drunk. I can just assume. I'm worried about him.

Are you really? His face looks like a cherry. I was watching. Is he listening right now? I hope so. I was watching Two Bears, One Cave the other day, and Bert was on with Tom. And Tom looks like a fucking athlete. He's lost all this weight.

He's fit. He works out twice a day now. And Bert has assumed all of Tom's bad habits and ramped his up as well. Why do you think that is? I mean, if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to talk specifically about him. About Bert? have to talk specifically about him but like why do you people like people who sort of who fall into alcoholism or not taking care of themselves and maybe they did at some point and then they just stop because i and i say that like i'm thinking of people that i know in my head i'm

not i don't know burt so i'm not talking about him but like people who are, it's like, you were sort of okay, and now you're like a daily, like you get drunk every day. I don't know. Well, Bert likes to party. Well, I love to party, and that's never, and I genuinely, but I do. I love drinking. I love to party, but I'm super organized about it. I'm super, I work all these these days and then i can go out thursday night and i kind of try to like fuck off a bit on the weekends just because otherwise i

would work all the time so i try to like not check my emails and not go on social media and stuff like that but i still do i often will end up working sometimes on like sunday night or friday night or something like that but like i don't want to be drunk every day i love drinking i love to party but i do not want to be drunk or fucked up every day. Well, Burt works a lot. The thing about Burt is you can't say partying is fucking up his career. Because it's done the opposite. Like, partying has united him with other partiers who come to see him.

But doesn't he feel like shit when he wakes up in the morning? I would imagine he doesn't feel good. But he does a lot of ivs he does a lot of like vitamin ivs okay you know apparently he told me we were hanging out the other day he got his liver done he got his uh his blood work done his liver's okay okay good that's great to hear i'm worried about him i'm genuinely worried about him because he's almost 50 and he goes hard. And, you know, he's very overweight.

And he decided that when his tour was over, he was going to slow way down and he's going to get in shape. So he documented it on Instagram. He documented the size of his gut, size of his chest, like his weight. He put all that stuff down and he's going to show measured improvement because I think he's off at the end of this month he's off for three months so for three whole months he's just gonna exercise and try to eat right and i feel like it would be really hard to stay in shape and eat healthy if you were on the road all the time you can probably speak to this but like even when i used to before covid i was traveling probably once a month for work, like to go to a talk or something. And it ends up being a week. And then like I can't if I'm traveling for work, I'm not working out.

I'm not exercising. I'm eating on the plane. I'm buying a sandwich at Starbucks. Like I can't like I have to be home to maintain like a healthy lifestyle, healthy for me. maintain like a healthy lifestyle healthy for me but you know like i go i work out four days a week with a trainer and i work really hard not because not out of self-motivation i'm not self-motivated at all that's why i have a trainer my trainer is excellent his name is chris at quilombo and sayulita he is he's so awesome i was telling you about him earlier like yeah he's not only i mean he was a really good boxer he trained with canelo um he's not only, I mean, he was a really good boxer. He trained with Canelo.

He's like really good at jujitsu. He competes, but he's also like, he's really into training. Like he loves it. He loves teaching people things. Like he loves to like see people improve. And he, if I don't, like I go to training because he'll be disappointed if I don't show up. Like, and, and he pushes me really hard, harder than I would ever push myself. If I was partying, I wouldn't go.

That's the other thing. If I'm out getting wasted, I'm not going to be able to get any work done the next day, and I'm not going to exercise, and I'm going to eat bad. It really fucks up your life. So how are you doing 11 shots? I take Fridays off.

It's because I have a plan. So Thursday night, I'm being serious. Thursday night is karaoke night. It's my favorite night of the week. It's run by my friend Zach. You do it every Thursday? Every single Thursday. And that bar is across the street from my house.

I can't not go. I'd be sitting inside my house listening. And be like, oh, there's my friend singing Pearl Jam. So I may as well just go, but I also love it. But that one day a week, the bar stays open until 5 a.m. instead of 2 a.m. for karaoke night. So I am up until 5, 6 a.m. every single Thursday. So Fridays, I don't work out.

I don't plan work stuff. I don't schedule interviews. I plan to be in bed until 5 p.m. This is really interesting. You've kind of cultivated this very idyllic life there. It's very romantic. You're a writer. You're up late at night.

You're drinking all the time. There's something about drinking and writing that seemed to go hand in hand. Some of my favorite writers were drunks. Okay, I agree with you, but I don't drink if I'm writing were drunks i don't okay i i agree with you but i don't drink if i'm writing yeah you don't have to like if i'm if i'm working i'm not like i'll have a glass of wine like i have a glass of wine every night or two glasses of wine every night but i don't get like drunk but it's i do i love my life it's amazing like i really wish i made more money because like i don't have any like savings I don't own anything but it's like I

all my friends in BC are depressed well you're a really good writer you know and I think it's a matter of time before you do make more money but maybe it's just also the way you're doing it it's kind of interesting too with the patreon or the substack and that kind of setup that's a very honest way to live though you know people are only paying you for what they like it's their choice their decision you know totally it's i i don't yeah like anybody can just donate money to me if they support my work and they do and i find that really like kind of amazing and generous because i don't know if i do that like and i great relationship yeah and i mean and it's and it's liberating for me i just do what i want to do like i write about what i want to write about i think about what's important to me i talk to people i find interesting tell me what your sub stack is so just so they can find

you it's called the same drugs but i think it's just megan murphy like at Substack or whatever. Megan with an H. And it's pretty new. Writing is what I want to do. I don't have enough time to write as much as I want to write because I spend so much time on the podcasts and the video stuff and just doing admin work and blah, blah, blah. Do you think that drinking, there's something about drinking that formulates ideas in my head

that don't seem to wanna be there without drinking. Like there's times when drinking like bumps you or shoves you into an area of thought where you're laughing about something that maybe you wouldn't have laughed about. Or you have like, what is, like for conversation. It's like one of the greatest things for conversation. When you're out with some friends and you're drinking whiskey and you're like two drinks in Like, what is, like, for conversation. It's like one of the greatest things for conversation.

Totally. When you're out with some friends and you're drinking whiskey and you're like two drinks in and everyone's laughing. And then someone just goes, why is this a thing? And then it's like, I know that's coming from his mind. I know it's all coming from our minds. But there's a part of your mind that opens up when you're drinking. Yep. a there's a part of your mind that opens up when you're drinking yep i mean i think yeah i feel like you can make certain connections or observations about social things as well when you're drinking but obviously like it loosens people up to be more themselves you know they're

like they don't they're not as aware of what they're doing they're not as self-conscious they're not as protective you know they're gonna be more open i love that about like i love going to the bar and like talking to the person who's sitting next to me right i like meeting people at the bar like in say i would have never done this in vancouver in sayulita i just go out by myself because i mean it's a small community so i know lots of people and i know if i go to the bar i'm probably gonna see a friend but even if i don't like i'll just go sit at the bar and like the person next to me will start talking to me and i i don't like i'll just go sit at the bar and like the person next to me will start talking to me and i'll be cool and i'll learn something and they'll

be interesting and that's so not the culture and i would have felt so embarrassed to go to a bar by myself like men did that in vancouver men go sit at bars by themselves but to be a woman and go sit at a bar by themselves like right it's good you're gonna feel awkward and stupid and embarrassed everyone in vancouver is so judgy too but and you'll feel like people assume you want to be hit on or you're desperate you have no friends right and it's not like i like it i genuinely i have friends and i like being by myself i like going out to eat by myself it sounds like you're in a great community yeah it sounds like it's perfect for you and people aren't people are not like people don't care what your politics are nobody knew what I did or who I was there for until I did your podcast and they couldn't hide it anymore that I was a bigot

but it was so it was really beautiful because I you know i had been so ostracized in vancouver because of the gender identity stuff like i i mean for people don't know because i'm critical of gender identity and i don't think men can become women and i want to protect women's rights rights um and protect kids you know people in vancouver a lot of people just ghosted me some people said i can't hang out with you anymore you can't come to my birthday party because my friend hates you because she thinks you're a transphobe like friends of friends who don't know me at all would basically bully my friends into not hanging out with me. And I was so angry. I was a little bit hurt, but more just like, fuck you, you fucking pussy. Like, you know, it's so that is so disrespectful.

Like it's you don't disagree with me. You don't dislike me, but you don't. You're worried about what your friends will think. And so you're like and and they behaved as though I was causing trouble in their lives because they would end up in these arguments with their friends or in a position where they were being asked to defend me or being asked to condemn me. And it made things stressful for them, and they blamed me.

So they would be like, you're making things really hard for me. And I'm like, I'm not doing anything. But in Say lita like i so i did your podcast and i came back and everybody was just like really proud of me like it didn't matter what i said and a lot of people agreed with me maybe some people didn't they were like good for you that you did a really good job like they're so sweet megan is people agree with you in silence. Yeah. They agree with you in hushed tones and whispers. You know, they'll say it at the water cooler when no one's around. Like, she's fucking, she's got a point about certain things. Like, especially when it comes to, like, athletic competition.

This is one that's dividing the country right now. It's like this thing where someone can decide or identify as a woman and compete against biological women. And it turns out the standards that you have to achieve to do that are different everywhere. It's different with the Olympics. It's different with certain organizations won't accept trans athletes. Certain ones will. Certain ones, all you have to do is identify. You don't have to have any proof of what you're doing.

And it's just, especially when it comes to high school sports and college sports, you are now competing with someone who's trying to get a scholarship. And if someone is an elite athlete, so say if a woman is an elite athlete in a certain sport and she has fucking been grinding it out her whole life and then some biological male comes along and identifies as a woman and then a year later is competing against women and has almost supernatural advantages and this is what we're seeing and it's it doesn't make you a bigot to say that this is what's so fucked up about this Whole thing. It's like you can be an open-minded

compassionate person who also sees the truth and where the rubber hits the road in my eyes is When there's clear Classifications of male or female in sports is a great example Male or female in sports is a great example. There's a clear classification. The men don't compete against the women because they have an advantage. We agree to that from the beginning. And we've always known that because otherwise these categories wouldn't exist. And women wouldn't have sports if we didn't know that and we didn't decide if women are going to play sportsly if women are gonna compete they have to have their own category because they

can't compete against men they'll lose yeah it's not fair that's it's that simple it's not fair and I don't know what the solution is and I don't think it's necessarily that the trans person should have to compete as a man I don't think that's the answer either I don't think there's enough trans people for trans people to compete as trans people like I don't like that's the answer either. I don't think there's enough trans people for trans people to compete as trans people, like to win a trans division. I don't think that's the solution either. I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that there's rules when it comes to competition. One of the rules is you can't take performance-enhancing drugs, right?

Like if you're a person and you want to compete in certain sports, they blood test you. They'll VADA test you. They'll make sure that you're not doing anything. Well, if you're, let's say if you're a female to male transgender person, right? So you're a trans man and you want to be competing with other men. We really don't hear about that. And we're really not upset at that. No one's complaining about that happening, right?

But if that person did want to complain, here's what they would say. This person has exogenous testosterone that's not derived from human beings. It's derived from wild yams, okay? So we do a carbon isotope. I think that's what it is. It's some, it's more complicated tests. It's not just recognizing the levels of the test. It's recognizing where the testosterone comes from. We have synthetic testosterone in your system. That's absolutely illegal. Well, if you have synthetic estrogen in your system, is that okay?

And how much testosterone are you allowed to have? Because there's a guy named Derek, he runs this YouTube show, More Plates, More Dates, and he was going over thresholds because he was talking about that woman, the swimmer from Leah Thomas, and he was going over thresholds. He's like the thresholds that like we're in certain sports where they test and they say, okay, you can compete as a woman, are like way higher than most women are normally. Exactly, exactly. I mean, it's so weird. But you can can compete as a woman, are like way higher than most women are normally.

Exactly, exactly. I mean, it's so weird. But you can still compete as a woman. Yeah. But if you were a woman and you were on steroids, they wouldn't let you compete. Yeah. This is my point.

It's like something's off. Like, it's not, this is not fair. And it has nothing to do with someone's identity. Like, if you, it's not. Your identity doesn't matter. It's also, I don't want to change that. I don't want to affect what your name is or what your pronouns are or any of that shit. I don't care.

I'm just saying in this thing, we have to recognize this is not, it's not boom, you're a woman. Abracadabra. It's not a magic wand. There's some fucking gray area. And if you don't want to admit that, if you want to pretend that that doesn't exist, well, now we're in a cult. Now we're ideologically bound to these ideas where you can't even discuss. There's a lot of people I know that are liberal.

You can't discuss reality and you can't tell the truth. Exactly. You can't ask questions even. Yes. You can't say it. You can't even discuss it. Okay. The solution is that if you're male, you have to compete in the male category. And if if you're male you have to compete in the male

category and if you're female you have to compete in the female category there's no other solution the idea of creating a trans category would be fine in theory but there's not enough trans people for that to make sense and it like my opinion is that if you want to be an athlete, if you want to compete, then you make a decision about whether or not you want to take hormones. And if you're taking hormones, you can't compete, just like everybody else. Like, you can be trans if you want, but that might take you out of the competition. So you choose what's more important to you. And I'm not saying that to be mean, but there's no other solution. If you're a male if

you've gone through puberty you have an advantage your body is totally different like i just interviewed um taylor silverman who is that a skateboarder a female skateboarder and she lost first place to a so-called trans woman um so a male who's identifying as a woman and she it was a red bull contest and she contacted Red Bull privately. Like she wasn't trying to make a big show of anything. She's like a wonderful young woman. She's like super articulate, super respectful, super smart.

Um, and she's not like making a ton of money off of skateboarding. She's 27 years old. She's not going to be doing this forever. She, she spoke out because she felt it wasn't fair. And, and what she told, she was like, you know, this might affect, if I have kids one day, it might affect my daughter. Like, this doesn't really affect me that much. She contacted Red Bull privately and said, hey, this happened.

I don't think this is fair. Like, this, you know, I lost out on $2,000. Like, I should have been in first place. A bunch of other stuff. Red Bull totally totally ignored her so she posted on social media she got a ton of traction a ton of attention and a ton of support and it's like you maybe some people think about skateboarding and they're like well what advantage does a man have over a woman in skateboarding but like your hips move differently like you're jumping you're like i don't skateboard so i'm not going to explain this as well as somebody who's gay but you know there there

are advantages and differences in all sorts of subtle ways as well as in very obvious ways when we're talking about sports like track swimming mma like jesus christ like you're beating people up well that's where i came into the conversation. Yeah. When that thing was happening where there was a trans woman who was a male for 30 years who was only transitioned within the last two years and was not telling anybody and saying that it was a medical issue. So she fought two different women that were biological females and beat the fuck out of them. And that's when I stepped in. I was like, you're out of your fucking mind. This is crazy because I've been around martial arts my

whole life. There's a giant difference. There's a giant difference between men and women. The big one is power. The difference is so stark. It's so different. Like if you got a powerful person, like someone who's a really hard striker, a tyron woodley if tyron woodley transitioned to be female like how how much are you going to deplete him where it's not the most ruthless execution every time he steps into the cage disgusting because there's just a different he's too big for most women he's 170 pounds 170 pounds. He was one of the best welterweight champions in the UFC. But if someone was smaller, like 135 pounds, there's women that can beat men. Make no mistake about it.

We talked about it on the podcast recently. In the MMA? Or do you mean like a woman who's skilled could beat a man who's not a fighter? No, women in MMA. Jermaine Durandamy is a multiple-time world kickboxing champion, Muay Thai champion. She was UFC featherweight champion. She's a fucking savage. And she fought a man in a boxing match.

How big is she? Like how tall is she? She's tall. She's very tall. I believe she's like 5'11 and real long and very wiry and strong. And she's a phenomenal striker. Okay, so is that like about skill? You want to see it?

Yeah, totally. Watch her knock this thing off. i'm really into mma now i mean i know that i don't know what because i text you and i'm like okay why did this person win and here's jermaine i'm a big fan of her she's got a lightning bolt right hand so she's fighting a dude and the dude is not on her level definitely not on her level but he's still a fucking dude and look i mean he's club he hit her with a big fucking shot there she's clubbed her in the break dude she's a demon you gotta watch her fight she uh she has like one of the the most technical stand-up games in all of mma today she's really good on her feet really good look at that right hand and so this dude is just awesome like she's like in there like she's yeah she's good so So watch it here. Keep, no, no, no. You almost had it.

You almost had it to where the KO is. Okay. This is it right here. It goes into this corner to this corner. Yeah. That's when they're going to go to this corner on the left and that's where the KO happens. But it's really crazy because the guy was hurting her. I mean, he was really like, here it is.

One, two, three. And watch this. Watch this perfect right hand. Cause the dude's swarming on her, right? And as soon as they break feet, bam! Dude! I mean, that is fucking picture perfect. That dude got wrecked.

Amazing. But that's the kind of technique she has. Why did she get to fight a dude? How did this happen? It's not in America. Where is it? I believe it was in Holland. And was it like she was like, I want to fight a dude?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She knew. She just said, I'll fucking fuck you up, bitch. Yeah. So she agreed to fight a guy. But that also happened with one of the great women boxers of the 80s and 90s, this woman named Lucia Riker. And Lucia Riker was also a world Muay Thai champion. And she was the most dangerous female boxer for years

and they were always trying to set her up with Christy Martin remember Christy Martin the coal miners daughter she was like a famous female boxer I think you're thinking of the singer what's that woman's name? thinking of a singer

no I'm thinking of a boxer oh my god that's not what I'm thinking of is boxer. Cole Miner's daughter. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's not what I'm thinking of. Is that Dolly Parton usually? Clearly, I don't know who this person is. A movie from 1980 called Cole Miner's Daughter. But isn't there an original song? Well, I would imagine she's singing it.

I'm not sure who that is. I don't want to double down on this because it's not what I was thinking of. It's a boxer who is a woman who wrote a book. So this was my point. They never fought, but everybody always felt like Lucia Ryker was the better boxer. People that were martial arts enthusiasts and boxers, they thought that Lucia Ryker was the woman, the one to beat. So she fought a dude, but she got knocked out. And it's rough because it's the same sort of situation.

See if you can find that. I mean, I feel like these kinds of things would be the things where people are like, well, I guess women can compete against men, so why are we keeping trans in the app? But this is an exception. She's an outlier of all outliers. She's a, I mean, Jermaine Durandamy is a multiple time world champion. She's elite. Like, when I watch her hit the pads, it's like, I could just, wow. It's like, beautiful.

Ta-da, bang. Ta-da, bang bang bang like everything is smooth when she's moving in it's like you're watching a fucking executioner it's beautiful to watch but that's an outlier that's the that's the top of the food chain yeah that's literally right here world champion yeah everybody else is fucked because Lucia Riker was a world champion and the guy that she fought was not he was just not he was okay but he was no way was he in the level that she was look at this and that's Lucia Riker and she gets uh she gets cracked somewhere in there it's this is a Muay Thai fight that's right and she gets uh she gets KO'd and as woman, she was just one of the...

Actually, this dude's a lot better than I give him credit for. She's so intense. The dude is a lot better than I give credit for. I'm thinking it's something different here. I might have confused this... There it is right there. There it is. There it is.

She gets KO'd. That guy's a lot better than I thought he was. You know, I think when I first saw this, I was probably upset that he knocked her out and I probably disparaged his skill. And then I looked at it that way. You're like, he shouldn't have won, she's better. But that was a beautiful left hand. I'm definitely, and another one, that was,

yeah, I mean, that guy's good. I'm wrong. What do you, do you think that the guy is like, how often does this happen where men and women? Very rarely. Yeah, I've never seen it. That's an example. They probably both weigh the same weight,

but the amount of power that that guy had, like that left hook... It's funny because she looks bigger than him. I mean, maybe she's taller. She's also wearing a t-shirt. She looks bigger and tougher than he does. He looks tiny, but maybe that's just because you expect men to be bigger and women to be smaller.

This is shit grain footage, right? It's not that good. Oh, so he's a Thai as well. He versus he. Sam Chai Jai Di. Yeah, it's not that good oh so he's a Thai as well Sam Chai Jai Di yeah it's from New Zealand I mean but people do like people who defend

like trans women being able to compete against women in sport do use these like random examples where it's like oh you know well so and so is faster or so and so beat so and so but it's like that's know well so-and-so can't is faster or so-and-so beat so-and-so but it's like that's not common and and to me like the sports thing is so great and interesting because

it reaches every normal person who was not engaged in the debate around gender identity which was primarily for so long it really was like i don't think people knew this but it was really it was radical feminist like janice raymond wrote a book about transgenderism and how it was like dangerous to women and women's rights in 1979 what yes it's called the transsexual empire i didn't know and it's a good book it interesting. I didn't know that it was that big of a political issue back then. And then like Gloria Steinem in the late 70s I think

said something critical about, there was like a tennis player, a male tennis player. They used to call them, okay I think you're right. I'm really bad with names so I apologize. The one that transitioned?, the coal miners daughter. The one that transitioned. Yeah. Yeah. That was a famous story. And she was critical. Gloria Steinem was critical of that publicly. You know, she was critical of this idea of transgenderism. Like she was like, you shouldn't change to fit the gender stereotypes of the world. I'm fully paraphrasing. She said something critical. She retracted it in later years because she was bullied into it. But, you know, this debate was

happening in the late 70s and 80s and radical feminists were like not having it at all. Like it's only recently that all these so-called feminists started to come around and say trans women are women. And even then, the radical feminists are the ones that have been fighting this for so long. Julie Bendell, who is a UK journalist, wrote an article in 2004 for The Guardian about what happened at Vancouver Rape Relief, which is a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse. It's a rape crisis line and a transition house for women escaping domestic abuse. And a trans woman, Kimberly Nixon, came to training for counselors. So counselors who were there at the house working with women who were escaping serious domestic abuse and sexual assault.

And the women who were doing the training were like, you know, sorry, you're a man. Only women are allowed to train as counselors here. They only had women employees, volunteers. Only women are were doing the training were like, you know, sorry, you're a man. Only women are allowed to train as counselors here. They only had women employees, volunteers. Only women are allowed in the house. And Kimberly Nixon took them to court, to the Human Rights Tribunal. Vancouver Rape Relief went all the way to the Supreme Court and won. They won the right to determine their own membership.

They didn't win, you know, trans women or men. And Julie Bindle wrote about that case in 2004. Like radical feminists were trying to warn people about what was happening and what was going to happen if we allowed this to go on. And nobody listened. And now it's like almost too late. And, you know, whatever. This is how things go. And nobody listens to radical feminists.

This is like a very marginal political movement. Yeah. But like, it's very frustrating to me because now we're seeing. I don't want to categorize people because, you know, I was going to say right wing men, but I like a lot of right wing men. There's a lot of right wing people who are great. A lot of people who really do care about women's rights. But we're seeing some right wing men like showing up online and being like, where are all the feminists on this issue? How come I'm the only person brave enough to say that men aren't women and speak up? And it's like, dude, we have been trying to be heard. I couldn't get anything published on this.

Like when Bill C-16, Canada's gender identity legislation, showed up, the liberals were trying to push it through in 2016, I pitched to everywhere to say these are my concerns with regard specifically to the impact on women's rights. These are the issues I have with this ideology. I think it's regressive. I think it's sexist. I think it's dangerous.

Nobody would publish anything. Like the Canadian media would not have me on. They would not interview me. Every single event that we tried to plan, we'd, you know, get threatened. The venues would pull out. This happened in the UK. This happened in the UK. This happened in the US. You know, I just, I'm so grateful that I had my own platform and my own website so that

I could write about this stuff and so that I could interview women who were doing work on this issue and interview people who are experts. Because otherwise I wouldn't, I don't know where i would have said any of this stuff like we finally pushed and pushed and pushed to host talks and that forced the media to cover it a bit but like i don't know why i started complaining about this except that it makes me really mad that's why i don't know who i was talking to about this but uh the conversation essentially was we this person i was talking to about this but the conversation essentially was we this person I was talking to whoever it was I forgive them I forgive me please she was

saying that the problem becomes a lot of people that are women who have these groups that are dedicated just to women and then a trans woman will come in these groups and behave like a man and and bring like a man's attitude to this thing and she's like it's specific and it's not discussed so it's this thing that happens where they start acting male for lack of a better term. So she was talking about taking over things, running things, being very outspoken and aggressive with their opinions about things in almost an intimidating way, a way like a man does it. There was a fucking anti-abortion, or a pro-choice rally, and this trans woman was screaming

with the deepest voice, keep your laws out of my pussy. Oh, my God. It was so wild. And that's just like domineering behavior. Like, I don't. But it was, they weren't even trying to hide. I mean, it was such a masculine voice.

Well, and that's, I'm like, I'm like, I don't believe that you believe it. Like those, I'm like, you don't think you're a woman. Give me a break. You're just being a bully. That might be like a louder with Crowder sketch. Yeah, I mean, a lot of it seems like satire and it's hard to tell which is satire and which is real. It's very hard to tell. That's the problem is that things are getting blurry.

But I think a lot of men, you know, identify as women or trans women specifically so that they can act like bullies. Not all of them. Some people just want to be themselves and that's fine. Go be yourself. I don't care. But like so that you can insert yourself into spaces and conversation and take over. I think that the kind of men who identify as women or trans women who go into women's change rooms or bathrooms or like the there was that guy at the spa yeah in la la you know i think that they're they want to make women feel uncomfortable you know

that you're making women feel you're parading around naked in a change room in a women's change room or like a woman-only spa you know that you're making people feel uncomfortable and you're doing it anyway like you're an asshole and you're a pervert well you can't say that you can't say that you can't have that opinion you're gonna get in trouble but sorry I hope I don't get you

in trouble what is this unhinged a hairy armpit individual with green hair chants keep your laws out of my pussy is that it uh I don't believe so okay I bet there was more of those there's a lot of real women individual with green hair chants, keep your laws out of my pussy. Is that it? I don't believe so. I bet there was more of those. There's a lot. That looks like a real woman. That's I couldn't tell. That could be a woman that does CrossFit.

She doesn't look in that good shape. Or he. No, she doesn't, but if she's an overweight woman who does a lot of overhead presses, it's possible that's a woman. There are some women who look mannish. In MMAma for example up to a fucking but you can tell yeah up to a level you sit them next to yoel romero you know who's the fucking woman i find it hilarious that when trans activists pretend that nobody can tell

like oh well you probably had trans women in your bathroom your whole life you didn't know and it's like everybody knows you know who a man is you know a woman is like there's very few that like are sort of ambiguous but for the most part it's obvious and sometimes it's not even oh would you like some more ricea just last sip no you okay you're not gonna try okay that's okay you can try it another time. It's nasty. This is actually good. It's good. Anyway. But the thing is you can't even have that on the table. When you have an open door, right, and you say all you have to do is identify and then you can be around these people,

you must open the door to the possibility the perverts are going to go in there. If you want to pretend that to be trans excludes the possibility of you being a pervert, that's crazy. It's totally possible that someone could say they identify as trans. I'm not saying that people are doing this. I'm saying it's totally possible. This must be considered. And people have been, you know, people have been assaulted.

You know, biological males have gone into females' bathrooms and assaulted them. It's a fucked up individual more than it is indicative of trans people overall. Yeah, it's not about trans. I'm not saying, like, it's about trans people being predators. It's about some males who are predators and use that as a way to get away with it. There was also something. I forget who told me this, too. It might have been Bridget.

Autogynephilia. Mm-hmm. Yes. Please. This is what, when I say pervert or when I say fetishist, like I know it sounds offensive like if I'm like, these men are men with fetishes. Like men who, there's research on this, men who transition when they're younger tend to be gay men.

I think it's Ray Blanchard that did this research um tend to be gay men and men who transition when they're older middle-aged uh tend to be heterosexual men with fetishes with like what might be called cross-dressing fetishes. Like they're turned on by wearing women's clothes and by the idea of wearing women's clothes in public and by the idea of like passing as a woman. Obviously, none of them pass as women, but that it's a fetish and it's called autogynephilia. And, you know, a lot of people have talked about this

being part of the reason that transgenderism became mainstream, became part of the LGBTQ activism stuff. And why they attach themselves to this born this way mantra, like some people are just born trans and why this idea of trans kids exists like some kids are just born in the wrong body and some some babies are assigned male and in fact they're girls because these guys wanted to legitimize their fetishes and their preferred identities so they had to pretend that it was something innate they had to push this narrative that it was something innate that it wasn't just about them you know having this fetish for wearing how could you know that though how could you know that some people aren't born and they feel like they're in the wrong body like some boys who are born and

they feel like i i'm supposed to be a girl doesn't matter so you feel like you're supposed to be a girl. Doesn't matter. So you feel like you're supposed to be a girl. You're not your boy. Like, so what? Like, I know, I think that for some people, then it's a mental illness and we're not allowed to say that. Like, if you're a male. But is it absolutely a mental illness? Here's the question. If someone is born male, but they feel in every fiber of their being that they're supposed

to be a woman and they're healthy every other way how is that really mental illness or is there some wiring that should be male and it's female some some not understood mechanism that makes someone feel like they're a woman or feel like they're a boy okay so mental condition then don't call it mental illness. Call it a mental condition. If you're a male and you feel certain that you're actually supposed to be female, you hate your male body parts so much to such an extent that you cannot live comfortably,

you have to get rid of them. And to be clear, go ahead and do that. You're an adult. You have the right to get rid of them. And to be clear, go ahead and do that. You're an adult. You have the right to get cosmetic surgeries. I think that surgeons should be more accountable and culpable and like warn people about the dangers and about the fact that they might not be able to orgasm again or it might be mangled. Like these are real serious, dangerous surgeries. But, you know, that's a mental condition. Just like if you were a man and you believed so strongly like there's those people that get like you know lizard you know they get like in bone

like what are those implants in their foreheads and they like have you ever seen the get rid of their noses yes the black alien project have you seen him lately jamie he chopped off two of his fingers to try to emulate what he believes would be an alien claw. So on one of his hands, he only has two fingers. And I think he's going to do it to the other hand too. What is that? And now he's also implanted all these beads

all over his arm. So he has like a spiral of beads over his arm. Like what is that? Look at his right hand. What is this? He chopped his fucking finger off. Why would somebody do this? Look what he's doing to his arm. But he's turning himself into like an alien. Like this should be like whoever, whatever surgeon is doing this to him, I think is unethical. It's really, did he chop off his top finger too or is he tucking it in?

Oh, there he is. Yeah. You know, he's got two fingers on one hand. But like, look at this, everything about him. Do you think this person was traumatized as a child something happened? Yeah, you know, what's interesting? There's photos of him when he was younger before he got all this stuff done and he's a good-looking guy It's like what he's doing is like really bizarre like he was like gifted by nature

with great genetics Look, it's got his eyeballs tattooed. Yeah, this is what I was talking about, the nose thing. Like, he's like... Yeah, he's got his nose removed. Yeah. He just has an open hole where his nose used to be. It's so crazy.

Like, that's what he looks like. And is this because he believes that he's actually an alien? Or he just... No, it's a good body modification project, I believe. I think he speaks spanish is that what it is yeah yeah he speaks spanish um so it's you have to i feel like this person must have severe childhood trauma something's up i mean that is they've got his ears removed too oh jesus christ that is so crazy okay but i mean that's goddamn crazy. So those cuts on the side must be where they put those brow implants.

Lord. Holy fucking shit. Who is doing this to this man? A lot of people, I bet. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. Oh, there you go. Worked by my bro.

All right, let's check out your bro. Oh, that guy's got his tongue split. Oh, Jesus Christ. No. what is that what is that I don't even know what bone that is is that someone's back what is that what are we looking at

what does it say up there fresh works it says genital implants no why are we looking no god damn it they're looking at a dick this whole time oh go back go back to that it says it's a dick oh my god so you only see the top of the dick so it's like side dick skin look how great that guy's got a hairy ass dick yeah i don't want to pluck those hairs son look at that i thought that was like his back do you think that he's having sex with people

i bet that shit's gonna hurt i bet there's not that many people well there's probably other weirdos who are like i want to have sex with an alien they have dick butt plugs it's like a butt plug that's what it is he's turning his dick into a butt plug. So it's got all those like humps. Oh. That's what it is. It's like beads. You know, people use anal beads.

So it's for men, not for women. It's for butts. It might be for women. No, women don't like anal sex. Forever wants it. This is a hill that I'm going to die on. Women don't have a prostate. Like men and some women are so stupid about this thing

because they're like, I like anal sex. So do you think women are sick? So women must like... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. What the fuck, man? There's the bottom of... What is happening here?

He's got his eyeballs tattooed, but it looks like... Oh, they're tattooed. Oh, my. Wild colors. That is awful. It looks cool, but that's crazy. It looks cool for now.

What about when you're 90? I think this qualifies as self-harm. I think it's the same concept, but way more extreme of cutting. Well, the thing about this one is this doesn't turn back. You can't turn that around. Nope. Once you get your eyeballs tattooed, your eyeballs are tattooed forever. That's crazy.

Yeah. It's just like people are doing things to themselves and you know, whoa, look at that girl. Oh my God. I mean, I think a lot of this kind of thing is like trauma and then it's like attention and wanting to feel special and wanting.

Okay. I see. All right. Wait a minute. That guy would split tongue right there. Hold on. Go back. That one right there.

What the fuck, man? So gross. Oh my God. Jesus Christ, that is so crazy. How do you think these people make a living? Starbucks. Baristas. They're queer activists.

Oh, that was mean. Woo! Oh, God. Sometimes. I mean, I'm saying all this while I'm covered in tattoos. My arms are sleeved up. Yeah, but I feel like tattoos, I mean, that's cross-cultural. People have always done that kind of thing.

I like tattoos. I just don't like your eyeballs done and fucking bolts put into your head. But so to go back to that, what we we're talking about if someone feels like they've been a girl their whole life it doesn't make them actually a girl so you so where does that where should that preclude them from sports should preclude them from women's bathrooms like I think it should preclude them from competing against and with women in sport um i think i mean i don't know i mean the bathroom thing's funny because i don't know that they're like i feel like you know like if you a man, you don't go into women's bathrooms.

You don't want to make women feel scared or uncomfortable. Unless you do. Unless you do. That's what you're trying to do. I don't think this is such a complicated issue as people are making it out to be. I think everybody knows what bathroom they should go into. Prisons, if you're male, you've got to stay in the male prison. You cannot be transferred to the female prison. But you gonna get anybody pregnant exactly if you don't get transferred gonna have babies it's not hilarious that one biological male got two women pregnant

so like here's the question if you're a biological male and say you've transitioned and you want to be identified as a female and go to a female prison if you get arrested. Do you have to take estrogen? No. So you could just stop taking estrogen? I don't think you have to do anything. I think you just have to identify as a woman and apply and say, I'm a woman. What a wacky move.

Because you can keep your dick and all your hormones and everything rock and roll. And you can totally, fully keep your dick. Just sl hormones and everything totally fully keep your dick just slinging dick all over the cell block well and in canada like i know i've talked to women who have been in prison with men and they are there are sexual assaults that have gone on in women's prisons perpetrated by men and obviously how long have they been allowed them to do that to go to women's prisons i don't know when it started exactly but at least a few years um and now obviously it's getting worse because this is like been further entrenched in the law so how did that happen do you think this is what's really interesting it's not just acceptance it's a celebration and like a societal shaming of people

who question it and talk about it like this is not a you know like there's people that are shitty people they're they don't like people for whatever reason whether they don't like gay people they don't like trans people they don't like all kinds of people but we're not i'm not even talking about that i'm talking about like just there's a mantra that almost you have to say like trans women are women and you say that and so if you don't say that and you even discuss it if you talk about things like hey you know that swimmer was number 462 with the men and now she's number one as a woman like maybe that's not fair like maybe if that was your kid going to that school you wouldn't think it's fair people would fucking blow up at you they'll get mad at you there's a certain amount

of people that feel like this is their their chance to show their loyalty to this ideology and they'll argue it like in a, in a very aggressive way. And it's, it's interesting because like how many people are we talking about? Like how many people are, is this actually affecting where the discussion has gone through the entire culture? It's really interesting in that way.

Like, so what happened and what, what rocketed that to the position that it's in now? I mean the prison issue specifically, I believe that was just about the Canadian government not wanting to deal with this problem. And they're like, OK, sure, fine. They're doing it here too, though. Because in Canada, the Canadian government will not discuss or acknowledge that this is really happening, nor will the Canadian media. You know, there are women who are ex-inmates who are fighting this,

and some, you know, women, you know, radical feminists who are fighting this. But the Canadian government will not engage with them, will not acknowledge. I mean, essentially, they've determined that protecting, you know, protecting themselves from controversy, protecting themselves from being, you know, attacked by trans activists or criticized or whatever, they're just going to let this happen. And who cares what the result is for the women in prison who are having to share their cells with men who are impregnating them it's crazy yeah i mean they're just they're being completely cowardly and completely unethical but it's so weird that that's made its way into law enforcement like that's what's weird to me and even the military like i've seen and and i've seen a lot of like special forces guys and

navy seals and some like high level guys that are super upset with this super upset with this what's happening in the military wokeness making its way in woke language making its way into the military and they're like hey we're in the business like tim kennedy said this he said we are in the business of killing bad guys and anything we are in the business of killing bad guys. And anything that gets in the way of killing bad guys is not something we're going to tolerate. They're just not interested. You can't have that get to that level. You have these special forces guys who have to do these insane operations under extreme pressure very high likelihood of death and you can't have

any bullshit there you have to have the the best trained most qualified everything has to be accurate everybody has to form as a unit you can't have any bullshit there and if you've got some ideological bullshit like you have to say this we have to have a certain amount of people that are that and there's like no no no no no no no not there because that's the that's the place where literal life or death is in the balance and you cannot be thinking about that nonsense like imagine you know how hard buds is for navy seals it's like one of the most extreme tests that any military organization puts on a member it's a can become a Navy SEAL, you are a highly distinguished human being who can do some things that most people can't do

in terms of your will, your ability to force your way through situations that are extremely difficult and uncomfortable. You can't say with that, we're going to lighten up our expectations because we like to have some trans SEALs. Yeah, it cannot be about inclusivity right it has to be only a meritocracy it has to only be the people that can fucking do

it yeah you know what a strange place for like wokeness to be inserted it's bizarre that it's discussed in the military but they have discussed it they've discussed all kinds of like woke talk and and people are pushing back against it because they're surprised that it was there but you guys the fucking hired killers you guys the hired killers of the government you're talking woke ridiculous it's but it's so interesting to me how it's accelerated and what douglas murray always talks about that for some reason when a civilization is near the end they become obsessed with gender yeah I mean it's partly an obsession with gender and then hedonism I think hedonism like I think that it's like I really I don't like

using the word privilege because it's overused and it's used in sort of weird ways to shut down conversation and to silence people and things like that but i think it's like too much privilege like you don't have enough real problems that you're worrying about people's gender identities like it's so stupid it's not real life it's just invented ideology like academic ideology um i think that it's like and i think that it's indulging in again fetishes like a lot of these they call themselves trans widows so women who have had husbands that have decided to transition while they're married um and i've talked to some of these women and their stories are really heartbreaking um you know and in women and their stories are really heartbreaking.

You know, and in those cases, their stories are often like these guys start acting really like teenager-y and like get super narcissistic. And like all of a sudden, you know, they get really superficial. They're into clothes. They want all the attention. Kardashians? Did you just say Kardashians? What did you just say? No, want all the attention. Interesting because that say kardashians no want all the attention interesting because that's i was like that's caitlin jenner yeah exactly i feel i don't i i don't know my theory

about caitlin jenner is like all these chicks are getting all this attention like and caitlin jenner like i don't know if you watched did you watch the kardashians a little bit i used it was amazing how they would mock him. When he would always just be like alone in a room upstairs watching TV. They would all be like doing their thing and having fun without him. Well, you know, ultimately in the end, it seems like he's happier this way. He's funny because. She's happier. She's happier this way.

I'll say he, you say she. Okay. She's, you know, she seems happier. And she is getting a lot of attention. I mean, you want to talk about a titanic shift in attention. I mean, it's a monstrous difference between, like, pre-transition and now. There's a giant difference. Like, all of a sudden, like, a center figure in culture.

I mean, and he is also one of those people who like he's talked about like trying on his like daughter's clothing like he's an autogonophile also which is fine i mean do whatever but like but he's funny because he's like anti-woke. Yeah. And he's kind of critical of trans activism. Well, definitely critical of transgender athletes in sports and wants to protect children. Yeah. It's similar to what you said. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, he doesn't literally think he's a female. This is how he wants to live his life and he feels better that way and fine. Yeah. and he feels better that way and fine. Yeah. But like he did, he started off trying on women's clothing and being turned on by it and then would like wear pantyhose under his pants.

Shh, don't tell anybody. I'm being naughty. Exactly. Here's the thing about wearing pantyhose under your pants. Who the fuck wants to wear pantyhose? Pantyhose are disgusting. Right. Women don't wear pantyhose. I know. That drove wants to wear pantyhose pantyhose are disgusting right women don't wear pantyhose i know this that drove me crazy too when i read that i was like

i was like nobody wears pantyhose like kill me to make me wear like i don't like gross yeah you don't wear pantyhose unless you're uh you're acting out some sort of a weird thing with your significant other when you pretend to be a secretary. Your role play. Right, right. Can I get you something, sir? I don't know. I've never done that before. You've never role played?

Ha! Oh, God. But you have karaoke. I would like laugh if I did that. I can't take myself seriously in that kind of scenario and be like, I'm ill, Steven. I mean, karaoke, yeah, that's a i'm just like want to sing beatles that is a sign of wanting to be naughty right if you but isn't it also a sign it's like the guys who i worked at like a video store in the aughts or whatever and this guy would come in sometimes at night with a leather motorcycle

jacket on and then like flash he was wearing lingerie underneath whoa it's exhibitionism fetishism maybe autogynephilia but it's isn't it also like they connect pantyhose with being a woman and if you wish you were a woman maybe that's something you would be attracted to wearing like yeah they have all these weird stereotypes kristin beck like yeah they have all these weird stereotypes kristin beck uh used to be a navy seal transitioned oh yeah you just yeah yeah and uh when kristin was on the podcast she actually talked about what that was like when she was first transitioning and she showed up at work with like big nails on and wearing a dress and everybody was like what the fuck is going on like out of the blue yep out of the blue she just decided to go for it and then said look i'm same

person and it talks in the same voice it's really wild right but then it's settled down and now is basically dresses i don't want to say like asexual but like a flannel shirt which like a lot of women wear flannel shirts jeans a lot of women wear jeans wasn't anything like definitely masculine or feminine about the way yeah i mean a lot of these men who transition to become women have these weird super old-fashioned stereotypes about what a woman is and what women dress like like i in vancouver mostly wore giant men's flannel shirts and like big men's boots and like jeans or like i wear like dirty converse and tube socks almost every day right so you could be transitioning yeah maybe i'm a boy if this was around when I was a kid,

maybe I would have thought I was a boy because I was like a tomboy. I hated pink. I didn't want to wear dresses. I didn't want to do girl things. I wanted to play with He-Man. I cut my hair short. I wanted to hang out with the boys.

That's a problem that people are worried about with children, that children are so malleable. And some people, they don't think you should be worried about it at all and they think you know you should allow people to discuss anything and everything with your child when it comes to gender when it comes to sexual identity all those things say whatever you want sexual orientation talk about it with the kids talk about it with the kids. Talk about it with the kids. And other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're supposed to be teaching history. You know, it is a weird thing because children are so malleable.

Well, and also, like, why do teachers feel like they're the ones or feel entitled to, like, they're the ones who should be educating other people's children about their politics or their ideologies. Like this is not your job. It's complex. And it's also just as complex if my kid was going to school and there was a hardcore right-wing teacher that was telling them that all gays are evil. I would not want that in my childhood either.

Or if somebody was teaching them about like the virgin mary like immaculate conception like is that okay because essentially you're teaching kids your religion like as far as i'm concerned gender identity is like a version of religion it's just an idea it's all faith-based like there's no there's no material reality there's no scientific basis for the idea that a man like you says i'm a woman oh you're, you're a woman. Like, what does that mean? It means nothing. It that was a legitimate psychological term that they use to classify people that were having this issue. because I sort of feel like it could be argued that everyone has some form of gender dysphoria because like say like I don't identify wholly with femininity. Like there's parts of me that are feminine. There's some like girl things that I like.

And there's lots of aspects of my personality that I think are kind of masculine. Like what? I'm not nurturing at all. I don't like babies. I don't. I've never. I'm not. I don't.

Down with babies i i've never wanted to have kids i've never desired it i don't really like i mean some kids are cool i don't mean like you know kids have personalities like i like some kids other ones but i'm not i don't look at a baby and i'm like i'm like got it i would rather look at a dog um i love dogs i i love dogs i um i think i'm i mean i i'm kind of aggressive like i'm kind of domineering like i'm i am i'm very rational that's like a stereotypically joking I'm not always very rational I mean I'm a Libra so that was a joke um I think like I don't take care of my boyfriends in any way at all like they take like maybe emotionally or like you know i'm affectionate and i'm loving but i don't like cook and clean um my boyfriends tend to like take care of me more than the other way around are you a boss bitch i'm not very easy

is that a good thing though being a boss bitch is like a good thing lord i know the rappers i feel like my i'm not i'm not like the kind of chick who's like really easy going in a relationship. You're a lot of work? I'm pretty difficult. Really? And you seem to celebrate that. Well, I can't help it. It's just, I don't think it's always a good thing.

It's like, I'm just, I want to talk everything through. I want everything to be out in the open. If I'm upset about something, i can't not say it like you've probably noticed i'm not very good at not saying what i think and in a relationship that can be challenging like i feel like a lot of people i think it's a good thing i think you should be open and talk about things in a relationship but i feel like people who are able to maintain really long-term relationships and marriages often not always of course are the kinds of people who don't say everything they think and like don't feel like they need to be like i didn't like that like what's going on like i want to talk about this they're sort of like let

things lie right and i'm not a let things lie person got it so that's good if you want to be a social commentator because you're not going to bite your tongue yeah yeah and that's good if you want to be a social commentator because you're not going to bite your tongue. Yeah. Yeah. And that makes sense because a lot of people don't want to experience the backlash that you've experienced for expressing your opinions on things. Yep. Yeah. Most people don't. I mean, what's interesting about like people go after you a lot. People go after people like me.

People go after people who have platforms and share their opinions. And I don't think that they, I don't know if a lot of people understand that it's like, I think it takes a certain personality to do this. You have to be able to take a lot of flack. And I think that most people don't do that. And you have to be the kind of person who really, it's very, very, very important to say what you think and to speak openly and to tell the truth. And I think what I've learned in the past few years

and in doing this work is that's not what most people feel. A lot of people are content not saying what they think and not being authentic and not being honest like that's not a need for them and for me it's a need like I would feel I don't feel like I could function if I wasn't able to like fully be myself I know what you're saying yeah well that's I mean people have very specific personality traits that make them more effective at different jobs. And for what you do, it's a perfect personality for that job. But I know what you're saying, you know, in terms of you, you, you, you know, you're not necessarily like all the way feminine, but no one.

That's not gender dysphoria. That's such a different thing than someone who really does think they're a man who happens to have a vagina. I totally agree with you. I mean, this is such a different thing than someone who really does think they're a man who happens to have a vagina. I totally agree with you. Like I've never been, I've never been confused about whether I'm a woman or not. My argument is that the term, because gender, people mess up gender and sex all the time. Like sex, when I'm talking about sex, I'm just talking about biology, you know, whether you're, you have a male or a female body. To me, when I'm talking about sex, I'm just talking about biology. You know, whether you have a male or a female body. To me, when I'm talking about gender, I'm talking about like sex stereotypes. So masculinity and femininity and those stereotypes that I was talking about before.

Like, you know, women are supposedly like nurturing and delicate and emotional and irrational. And men are. And some of these are true because of evolution. Like to a certain extent, there's patterns patterns but people are not black and white you know men are domineering violent rational aggressive um what else is there they like to jerk off during zoom meetings have any women been caught masturbating i do not think so i don't think so i don't think so that's what's wild right why are men more perverted than women um testosterone for sure yeah for sure i think i mean i don't know i've never been a woman

not yet it has to be not yet at least i mean you never know never know it could happen um but i think it's testosterone i think it makes like if you think about it's connected to aggression and sexuality right so there's not much in a woman that's connected to uh being horny but also to being aggressive testosterone is really the only thing that does both of those things so do you think that it's like men have like more of an uncontrollable sexual urge i would have no idea okay yeah i have to guess it's it's clearly a spectrum because there's men that aren't interested in sex at all and there's men that are horny all the time and it's the same with women that's true yeah i know i get i actually get really mad when people talk about like men have a high sexual libido and women have a low sexual libido and that and then

that plays into this like kind of gatekeeping role that women are supposed to play like women have sexual power because they can choose not to have sex with a man and it's like women like to have sex too like i don't want to choose to not have sex with a man i want to have sex with a man like i'm a heterosexual woman i also desire sex like i don't want to be in this role where i say no to something that I actually want to do. Yeah. But it's also, it's not like it's a one way street.

And yeah. And there are, it's, there's, I like, I have friends who've had boyfriends who like didn't feel like having sex almost ever. Yeah. Yeah. That's an issue. Yeah. It happens.

It's like with everything, there's just a lot of variables and whenever you generalize like that and men want this and women want that. Like what fucking men? What women? Well, and it's like, do you talk to people in real life? Because I talk to a lot of people in real life and people are diverse. They really are. They really are. And that's the problem with things like the left and the right is that when you get into an ideology and you're in a tribe, I'm in the tribe of the left.

And so I have to subscribe to all the same things that these people subscribe to you know i have to take on all their notions that i think are ridiculous i have to say it without any questioning i have to repeat the mantra yeah that's what's going on and you have to use the exact right language and the language changes all the time like yeah but and okay but so the gender thing i feel like i was trying to finish a thought like so when i'm talking about gender i'm talking about those stereotypes about men and women right that are like really just personality traits often you know some women are more aggressive and less nurturing. Some women are super nurturing and, you know, delicate and

emotional or whatever. But so the term gender dysphoria, I think, bothers me just because of that, because it sounds to me then like you're just identifying with these gender stereotypes, which should be fine. Like you should be able to, you know, identify with whatever personality traits you identify with. You should be able to like whatever clothes you like. Like if you're a man and you want to wear a dress and you don't feel very masculine or you don't have a high sex drive or you don't want to like fight, that's fine. Like be whoever you want to be i agree with like i think gender dysphoria refers to something different which is a very very strong overwhelming desire

to actually be the opposite sex or you know to get rid of your sexed body parts what do you think those cause this massive uptick in the public's understanding and discussion of it? Like, when did this become something that's on the front line? I mean, it's so weird because all of the gender identity legislation was sort of presented and passed around the same time. Like it seemed like everything happened simultaneously at once in a lot of countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the US. And I don't know exactly how that went down, but I think those activists, like the trans activists, were very well organized. I think that part of it, you know,

other people have theorized around this. So these are not my ideas coming out of nowhere. But, you know, once gay marriage was one, there wasn't much for these LGBT organizations to do and fight for anymore. So there's no reason for them to get funding. So they latched onto the trans rights thing so that they could continue to exist. could keep their jobs you know so they could continue to get funding um because i don't know where do you go with the gay rights fight now in canada and america like there's not that much to fight for anymore that's sort of been one right marriage is legal discrimination is illegal yeah you can't fire somebody from their job for being gay and yeah public acceptance is much higher i have a friend who's gay thinks that a lot of the transgender

movement is homophobic it is homophobic but it's weird like i mean like in what way he's like well if you don't identify if you don't believe in in males and females you don't you don't believe there's a distinction he was like then what gay men, men who are absolutely attracted to men? Like, are they, what, and then if you're telling a lot of them that they're really, that these men are actually really females and they should just transition. He's like, I think that there's a homophobia attached to that. I'm like, okay, why do you think it is? I mean, I absolutely agree with that because how can you be same-sex attracted if there's no sex? Like, gay people aren't attracted to gender.

They're attracted to sex. Like, males who are gay are attracted to men with male bodies. They're not attracted to women who are dressing like men or acting like men. And same, like, lesbians have made this argument for a long time too that that trans like trans activism gender identity ideology is homophobic they're like no i'm attracted to women i love women i want to have sex with women i don't want to have sex with a man who claims to be a woman or dresses like a woman and you know lesbians have been super bullied in their own communities over this and over being critical of like trans women being welcomed into the lesbian community or being pressured to date trans women. And, you know, Abigail Schreier does a bunch of research on, you know, young girls are transitioning at really high rates now.

It used to be that more boys were transitioning. Now it's that more girls are transitioning. and often those girls are lesbians. Well, I think it's not cool to be a lesbian anymore. It's cool to be queer. It's cool to be non-binary. It's cool to be a trans boy. I think what Abigail is talking about, she's talking about that they happen also in clusters and she thinks that there's some peer pressure involved and there's a i think she calls it a social contagion or yeah yeah yeah that's right that you you get praise for wanting to transition or for transitioning the non-binary thing's the weirdest one because uh you could just jump on board it's so stupid you could just say i'm non-binary thing's the weirdest one, because you could just jump on board. It's so stupid.

You could just say I'm non-binary. Well anybody is non-binary. We know this guy who's non-binary and he fucks all these girls. It's hilarious. You're like, so you're a heterosexual man then, huh? Hustler, H-U-S-T-L-E-R, hustler. He found the thing, like that's how you get in

and bang woke chicks. Ew, I would never want to fuck a non-binary man i mean maybe he's really non-binary i don't know there's no such thing as non-binary that's not a real concept what does that mean he's not a man he's not a woman that's impossible everybody is a man or a woman listen when he fucks women he's not doing it as a man he's doing it as that is a gender neutral penis he's doing it as a they and you have some fucking respect that is gender neutral sperm it is a wild thing right that that is also like people will get as mad at you as if you fucking hit a baby with a car i don't people get real emotional about it but i mean i think i i don't i don't know why people get so emotional about this trans women are women thing.

Like, I don't know why you as a random woman would be like, because women get mad about it. You know, like women have gotten mad at me. Lots of women have gotten mad and been like, trans women are women. You should accept their identity. And I'm like, first of all, this is stupid and doesn't make any sense. But why do you care so much like who are you protecting what is your investment in this issue and I would tend to think that it's about presenting yourself as and thinking of yourself as a good person you're very

invested in I'm a good person I'm a progressive person I'm accepting I'm a progressive person. I'm accepting. I'm inclusive. I support diversity, equality, all those words, yada, yada, yada. But some of them really do seem like some of it I think is phony, but some of these people do seem to really get enraged, like enraged at me if I don't want to use correct pronouns. And it's like, why? Like, why are you so offended by this? Why? Like, why are you so offended by this? Well, there's also the fear of being ostracized from the group. If you don't do that, if you don't go along, if you decided that you're a progressive person, you don't go along with all these things, you can get ostracized to the group or from the group. Oh, totally. I mean. And it's scary out there on your own because what else are you going to do?

Are you going to be a Trump supporter? Because like we've polarized the country. God forbid. That's why we've polarized the country to where you are either a progressive or you're a Democrat who tolerates progressives or you're a person who doesn't like the Republicans. You keep going further and further left. You're like, never Trump. And then a lot of those people, they get lumped into this thing and you think of them only

as the most radical of the people in the group that are the loudest, which is the hardcore left wing people, the Antifa type people. Whereas on the right, if you go right, what's the worst thing? Would they go to the Proud Boys or some white supremacist organization? That's what people think of. The January 6th people, that's what people think of. So you're either with the January 6th people or you're with Antifa. Literally, that's what it is on both sides. When you get to the furthest edges, it's equally crazy. And it's equally crazy in these predictable, adoptable patterns that these people have to subscribe to if they want to be a part of the ideology, whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology. Either you want to throw Molotov cocktails at the state house and call everybody a fascist, or you want to be a part of the ideology whether it's the right ideology or the left ideology either you want to throw maltoff cocktails at the state house and call everybody a fascist or you want to

take zip ties to the fucking capitol building and look for a senator to tie up well yeah it's the same fucking person they just found different ways to port that crazy out into the universe totally and i mean and the binary thinking is i mean i talked about this a bit earlier but this is what people are doing to me constantly now that i've been talking about leaving the left or not wanting to identify as left wing like i just want to be an independent i'm not identifying anywhere i don't i don't plan on i don't want to categorize myself or label myself in any way so you're far right how long you've been far right Megan you're sounding like a Trumpist like there's certain shows out there that will just immediately call

you far right if you don't agree with the Orthodoxy yeah and that's that's yeah what people have been doing to me and it drives me crazy I need to stop getting upset about this but I can't like I've always I always get very very upset about being misunderstood and I know I mean like you can't, I always get very, very upset about being misunderstood. And I know, I mean, you can't control that. People are gonna misrepresent you, they're gonna misunderstand you, especially if you're a public figure. You're just a soul whose intentions are good.

Thank you, exactly. Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. Yeah, but that's part of your gift, is that you have the courage to talk about things that other people find uncomfortable and say them from an honest perspective. Like this is what I'm seeing. This is what I don't like. This is what I think. And then also back it up with like other people are seeing it too.

And this is not like – this is something that the warning bells were rang. The distinction between males and females is very weird in when it plays out in sports and in games and stuff like that i'm always fascinated by that because like there's clearly like great women athletes and like you've got your stories like jermaine durand to be knocking out that guy but where it gets weird is other games that aren't they don't involve physical strength like one of them is pool. That's interesting, actually, because men are more inclined. Like way more men play pool than women.

Yeah. Are men actually better at pool than women? Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot better. I mean, I'm really bad at pool. I'm quite good at foosball, though. Okay.

Well, they're very different things. When we talk about professional billiards yeah it's it's almost like there's it's not as far apart as like the outlier female kickboxer knocking out the male kickboxer it's not that far apart um but no women win competitions like if they want to enter into an open. So like say they have women's professional tournaments where women compete against women and they have open, everything else is open. So like if there's a U.S. Open, women compete in the U.S. Open,

the World Championships, women can compete against the men. They can compete but they never win. There's women out there that are very good and they're capable of winning a match. Like the way a pool game is played, played, depending on what tournament it is, it could be, say, a race to 10. So if we're playing nine ball, if you pocket the nine 10 times and I pocket it seven times, you win because you made it to 10 quicker. You won 10 games faster.

Okay. So a woman can win in a race to 10, but they never win the whole tournament. So a woman can win in a race to 10, but they never win the whole tournament. A man always winds up beating them, which is odd because it's not a physical strength thing. There's nothing. Yeah, why would that be? Because that, I feel like, is wholly skill and precision. There's women that are very, very, very, very, very good, but they're not as good as the world champion men.

I wonder why that is. There must be some science behind that. I think they've tried to narrow it down to an understanding of 3D space that's different for males than it is for women. Maybe that has something to do with testosterone. There's quite a few women that are really good that are lesbians, which is interesting. I don't know what it is,

but it's one of those things. It's like, what if someone identified as a woman? They were an elite professional pool player, and they just started cleaning up in the women's division. You wouldn't really have a good argument that they have an advantage, because it's not a strength advantage. It's not a speed advantage. So what is the advantage?

Well, maybe there is one. I mean, I don't know what it is, but there's a speed advantage. So what is the advantage? Well maybe there is one. I mean I don't know what it is, but there's some sex advantage. The only advantage that you would ever have in strength is in the break shot. Right, but that's not gonna win you. It's not that big of a deal. A lot of people kind of soft break today.

They don't break that hard. They break, they wanna like make the one ball on the side or make the corner ball and sometimes it's actually better to not hit it too hard. But that would be the only thing that would involve physical strength. I mean, it seems to me that there's only a few competitions where men and women can compete against one another sort of on an equal playing field,

and one of those,'m told is like um shooting like rifle what does that make sense yeah because you're basically just aiming and breath control i would think if the rifle was heavy that would be an issue but pistols yeah and pistols i mean it doesn't seem i don't know like what like if men started identifying as women to compete in figure skating would that like screw over women in figure skating that's a good question the more strength more strength in the legs but they're not but are they judged by how high they jump they're just judged on doing the things perfectly right but doesn't the difficult difficulty factor in maybe i think it does um you know like they if they have more leg strength i would believe they could leap higher difficulty factor in? Maybe. I think it does.

If they have more leg strength, I would believe they could leap higher and spin more. For sure. I mean, that's sort of like the thing with skateboarding too, eh? Right, right, right. It's like they can jump higher and farther and they can move faster.

Right. And what are the, again, what specifically do you have to prove if you want to compete as a woman? Do they test you? Do they make sure that you aren't taking testosterone? Do they test you to make sure that you're taking estrogen? Do they check your testosterone levels? Not in skateboarding. Well, that's crazy. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Because if it is a physical thing, which it clearly is, like the best skateboarders are very good athletes. Yeah.

You know, what they do is incredible. It's hard to do. Oh, yeah. So if that's the case, then you would think that you would want to make sure that someone isn't taking performance enhancing drugs. I mean, maybe they will at some point. Or maybe if we were talking about at the Olympic level, I don't think that it's come up in skateboarding at the Olympic level. Of course. I mean, that's relatively new that they've included.

When did skateboarding get into the Olympics? I think maybe just like the last Olympics. Like, I'm not an expert, but it was recent. They definitely tested there. Yeah, but in regular competition, like it's probably not been that big of an issue so far for them to really have to deal with it. Like Taylor is probably the first person

who's ever spoken out about this in skateboarding. Like it's been talked about in other sports, swimming mma um like weight lifting yeah um and those ones are easier because they're so obvious i mean people are obviously still going along with it anyway but it's very obvious like when you look at there's like a photo of Leah Thomas at the swim meet and they're all diving and he's like two feet higher than all the rest of the chicks and immediately farther along. And he's also just obviously bigger. He's a tall, big dude. Who was a really good swimmer as a man, which is nuts. Yeah.

And he transitioned like the rule. A year ago. Yeah, exactly. He started taking doing hormone replacement therapy a year ago. Now, someone told me that Leah is still intact. Probably. And dates girls. Probably.

I don't know. Is that true? But most guys who identify as trans women are still intact and date girls. identify as trans women are still intact and date girls like most that's a horrible surgery to get to get your dick cut off and inverted into like a neo vagina that's not supposed to be there so that's what they call it a neo vagina well that's probably not what trans activists call that but i think like in if you're going to like read a research paper or something like that that's what they would call it or surgeons call it a neo vagina but like it's a hole that wants to keep closing up because it's not supposed to be there like it's not it's hard to maintain it's gross for reasons that i'll let people imagine like it doesn't

function like a vagina vaginas are supposed to be there they operate in a specific way that's conducive to sexual intercourse they are self-cleaning which is not the case for a surgical hole that's been an inverted penis like um they'll the men will like grow hair on the inside do you know what i mean oh boy because it's from like their ball sack it's that skin so oh jesus and it smells bad um i anyway and also they're they're really complicated surgery and there can be complications really easily and there's more than once you have to have a bunch of surgeries to get all this done yeah and yeah and you might end up more than one not being able to have sexual pleasure the other way around is really horrific like women who are transitioning to men and want

like a fake penis attached they like take the skin off of your arm yeah i've seen that and that's a bunch of surgeries and you don't get a functional penis, do you? Not really. And sometimes it doesn't take, right? Sometimes your body rejects it and you have to try again a number of times. It's really gross. And then, yeah, it's like then you can't come. What is even the point?

What is the point of having a penis if you can't have sexual pleasure and you can't have an orgasm? What does the penis do then i don't know but there was a cover of a magazine that showed this person who had just transitioned and had a big scar on their leg yeah and had a giant old hog yeah i read that um what was her name she was a she's a journalist i go god i can't remember her name i wrote something about that she's a journalist and she'd you know she'd reported in like war-torn countries and had been traumatized by with witnessing some pretty horrible sexual assault and she had a history of um sexual abuse like she'd been molested as a kid i think that kind of stuff factors into transition too especially for women it's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if abuse like she'd been molested as a kid i think that kind of stuff factors into transition too

especially for women it's like naturally you want to get rid of your sexualized body if um you in your brain are like well these men did these things to me when i started developing right you want to go back to not being a sexual looking woman but she yeah she decided to be a man and they did a cover story and she had this giant like like a giant hole in her thigh kind of thing from where they'd taken the skin and turned it into her fake penis it's really it's a horrible thing to go through and i just i think that these people are often trying to deal with mental problems in physical or superficial ways, and now we live in a culture where a therapist isn't allowed to challenge you.

If you go to a therapist and you're a young woman and you say, I'm a boy, you have to take an affirmative approach and say, okay, yeah, you're a boy. Go get some hormones like we can give you a mastectomy and a hysterectomy so they're not being questioned about like anything else that it might be

connected to past trauma are you sure that all therapists behave the same way? I think therapists are scared so probably not all therapists but these therapists don't want to be accused of transphobia and then lose their careers so i think that most therapists are going along because they could get in a lot of trouble if they don't it's because it's it's so complex because you want people to do what makes them happy.

I want people to have the choice, and I don't know how you feel. I don't know how someone feels. When someone says to me that I've always known that I was a woman, I don't have any idea how they feel. Neither do I. So I have to take them at their word. I mean, what does it mean to feel like a woman? I have no idea what it means.

I don't feel like a woman. I just feel like me. Right, but you are a woman. Yeah. See, you are a woman and you feel like you. And it feels like it syncs up. But imagine if you were a man and you felt like you should feel like you. You felt like you should look like you.

You should be like you. You like the things that a girl likes. But you feel like somehow or another nature has thrown you a curveball and you have a male body, but you have a female mind. Really weird. No, I can imagine that. It's got to be real. I think we're dealing with many things.

I think we're dealing with legitimate people that are trans people where I don't want to delegitimize anybody, but what I say by the word legitimate, I mean, there's an issue where they genuinely from the moment they were born have felt like a girl and they're confused and they don't understand why and everything else is great. And if they transition, they'll be happier. I think those people exist, but I also think all the other things that you said are true too. The statistics about people who felt like they were trans when they were young and then eventually became gay men. Those are very high, right?

And lesbians. Yeah, like lesbians. There's a lot of girls, and I've interviewed these girls. Who think they were boys and turn out to be lesbians. When they're teenagers, like older teenagers usually are like, well, you know, like I don't feel like I fit in. I feel like I'm not a girl. Like I like other girls and I don't want to wear girly clothes. And I don't like I must be a boy.

And then they transition and a couple of years down the line, they're like, I'm not a boy. I'm a lesbian. So there's all these things. So how do you know what's what? How do you know who's getting influenced by culture and society? And one of the things about Kristen Beck is that she grew up in a fucking military town, like in a small town in the middle of nowhere in Texas and did not have any transgender ideology. So all of the ideas that that was pushed on her or that she was indoctrinated, it doesn't work with her.

her or that she was indoctrinated. That's all. It doesn't work with her. So for sure, there are people out there that are experiencing the same thing that Kristen Beck experienced, the same thing other people experience too, where they feel like they're in the wrong body. And then also for sure, there's people like Abigail Schreier is talking about that may be being influenced by the trendiness of it, by the social contagion aspect of it. We have to be able to look at all these possibilities and to say that it's binary. Either you are a woman or you're a man, you recognize yourself as a woman or a man, or that's it.

And you are, oh, you are a woman, you've always been a woman, okay, guess I'm a woman. To make it like that and to avoid all nuance and to avoid all these other possibilities, to avoid this term gender dysphoria, to avoid all of this information about, you know, whether or not this is even effective or if it makes people happy. Like what is going on?

You can't, as soon as you can't discuss an issue without being fearful of being attacked by people that don't agree with you it becomes very problematic because people get scared they become cowards and you get people on one side that will virtue signal and they'll claim to fight against you you know that she's a piece of shit i fucking hate her and we gotta take her down we gotta take her down though and they'll do it to like let the tribe know that they're on the right side and you've also like hack political commentators it'll do that and they're just doing it because they're just dumb and sloppy and that's how they behave and they they'll find something that

they could rally against and it's it's good for clicks you know yeah I mean they need a headline yeah they need something to fight against because they don't really have interesting, nuanced opinions. They have, you know, it's bullshit culture. This hot take culture, it's a wild culture because there's a whole industry of hot take assholes out there. And all they do is live for hot takes. And what they don't understand is people lose all faith

in your actual opinions on things when you're just doing these hot takes. Because now I don't know you. I don't know you. I know what you're doing. I know the titles of these outrageous clips. I know you screaming at the camera. I know all the stuff that people do. Or crying on the camera about all the harassment that you got as a female journalist online before you went and tried to ruin somebody else's life.

Yeah, there's a lot of those, too. But I don't know them because they're not honest and that's why they don't resonate that's why it doesn't work well i mean that's gonna like harm those people who are doing it too because imagine if you were under that kind of pressure to continue like to come up with hot takes on like a variety of subjects every single day. I don't write about something unless I've thought about it a lot. I'm not gonna just be like, oh, what's your opinion on this? I'll have some answers for some questions

if it's stuff that I've thought about. I think this, I think that. But if it's something I don't know, I'm just gonna be like, I don't know. I don't know anything about this. I don't have an opinion. Writing is very different than hot takes because people have hot, I have hot takes on things on stuff

but i think it's bullshit listen i'm a healthy person yeah like by by effort i work out very hard at it you know i've been doing it my whole life the idea that um person can decide to eat unhealthy, to let their body balloon to morbid obesity, and you don't discuss that. You don't ever bring that up. You don't tell them that. The doctor's not allowed to tell you that? The doctor's not. There's even doctors that will lie and cite nonsense and pretend that it's healthy to be fat and there's nothing wrong with it and actually dieting is unhealthy

like there's so many things that are linked to obesity so many diseases so many problems people will say oh skinny people can be unhealthy too it's true yep it's totally true they're right but not to the same numbers they're not even close not even unless you're talking about anorexics if you talk about people that are up optimum weight the amount of uh i mean depending upon their diet of course i mean someone could have a terrible diet and you get a bunch of diseases that are connected to that but obesity is a rough one that's one of the things we learned during covid there was one point in time where 78 of the people who were in the ICU were obese.

It makes me so angry. It makes me so angry that they created all this hysteria around COVID and pretended that anybody could just die of COVID in a second. When we knew full well that it was people who were, you know, it was old people and like fat people, like really unhealthy people. And it's like, shut down the gyms, shut down the gyms because like people who are unhealthy and fat are dying of this disease. So shut down healthy people's lives and force them to be unhealthy. That's the solution. Well, I think it was an interesting case because it clearly was more dangerous than anything we've ever experienced before in terms of infectious disease it's clearly more dangerous than the flu clearly more dangerous than a lot of things but you weren't allowed to look at it like you look at those other things but everybody

wasn't at equal risk no no no they were not but a lot of people who you didn't think were at risk got fucked up by it too which was really interesting because I don't think it's even across the board look i think there's a high probability that that fucking thing came from a lab and it behaves like something that came from a lab and that's why it's wild it's wild because there's people that have you know no problem with the flu and they got fucking wrecked by covid like real bad lungs scarred decreased oxygen capacity decreased cardiovascular output, all that stuff. I don't know a single person who had a horrible experience with COVID.

Oh, I do. I tested positive and I had zero symptoms. Well, let me tell you about Hamzat Chemaev, okay? Because Hamzat Chemaev is one of the best fighters in the UFC, one of the best up-and-coming contenders. He was hospitalized multiple times for COVID. He was spitting blood up in his toilet bowl and tried to retire, coughing blood up in the toilet. Because of COVID? Because of COVID. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. And he's a fucking elite top of the food chain assassin. But here's what happened. He didn't give himself the chance to recover. He got COVID and he tried to train and he was training while he had COVID and he fucked himself up and he, you know, it got stronger. And then he was admitted to the ICU. He almost died. He was admitted to the hospital more than once on

multiple occasions because he just fucking psycho and he kept training and he didn't give his body a chance to recover. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying I haven't heard these stories. I'm literally talking about people I know in real life and everybody that I know in real life who got COVID like stayed home in bed until they felt better. My friend Michael Yeo got COVID and he got COVID early on in the pandemic and he was hospitalized for weeks and he thought he was going to die. And it was real bad. But I don't know what, I don't know whether or not he was healthy at the time. I know he was exhausted. He told me the whole story of how he flew to New York, did press, flew back,

drove to Vegas with his family, and then drove back the next day and then tested positive for COVID and it was wrecked. But just doing that alone, that's six hours of driving after flying, hanging out with your wife's family, everybody getting together, probably having a couple cocktails, laughing, not getting enough sleep, jet lagged. Well, that's how you get real sick. Like I got a cold that turned into bronchitis and then turned into freaking pneumonia. Right. Because I had to travel.

Right, exactly. Because I was like way overtired. I couldn't take care of myself. I couldn't get like the vitamins that I needed. I couldn't rest enough. I couldn't get the food that I needed. I had to go on all these planes. I had to work.

And I just like, yeah, I couldn't heal. And so it turned into pneumonia. Exactly. And that is something that happens to people with COVID. So that's what gets the really healthy people. So when they bring that up as an example, it's like the problem is if you are a person that has to fly and has to work late and has to do things where you're not getting enough sleep, then it's fucking dangerous. Because if you're taxed out and that hits you, when it got me the first day, I was like, whoa, I was like, this is fucking strong. I was like, this is interesting because it hits you so quick. I was like, from the moment I was on, I was on the plane, I was feeling funky. And then I just thought I was hungover.

And then I got back to Texas. And that night I was sweating and I was hungover. And then I got back to Texas. And that night I was sweating. And I was freezing. I sweat through three different pairs of sweatpants or a sweatshirt and a hood. Been freezing, right? So I change, shivering, put a new one on, get back under the covers. I was sleeping by myself. I told my wife I was probably sick.

And then I moved to the other side of the bed. I moved to her side and soaked that side too. But that's because of all those things that I said. I was drinking. I was flying. I was in Florida. We played pool till 3.30 in the morning and I had like five margaritas. And then the next day did a show and then flew back that night. So it was a lot of, you know, environmental stress, alcohol shows, this, that, the other thing. But I still got over it pretty quick. And that, but that's how illness works. Like that's how you get sick and then you get too sick. Exactly. My whole family had it at one point in time, early in the pandemic,

and I didn't get it and I didn't do anything to avoid it. I didn't do anything. I was hugging my kids when I had it and I felt weak a couple of days. I was like, whoa, I wonder if this is going to, it's going to get me. Like when I would go to work out, um, I would re I knew something was going on. It did not feel normal. So I said, I am just, it was at my house. So I was like, and I had five days off. So I was, I was like, we could figure this out. I'm like, let's just five days off. So I was, I was like, we could figure this out. I'm like, let's just see what's going on here. And so I worked out and when I worked out, I was like, something's wrong. This does not feel like me. I'm like, I'm just going to just, just go light and break a sweat and don't be an asshole. And I did that two days in a row. And

then by the third day I got into the gym, I'm like, I feel pretty fucking good. And then I worked out pretty hard, but I tested negative every day. I never tested positive. I tested myself every single day. That's funny because the one time that I thought that I got it and I was like, this is weird. And like, I couldn't get out of bed. Like I was just exhausted. I was like sweating a lot too. And I had this weird dry cough that never turned anything. It was just a consistently dry cough. But, um, and I was like, I probably have COVID have covid so i just stayed home i had tried to go to the gym like very early on and i was like so tired i just was like i can't do anything um you guys tested me for antibodies and i didn't have them when but i was many months out from your um from your being sick it was a

long time after, I think. Jamie's got superhuman antibodies. You should see his antibody level. Amazing. He pulls it out like a big dick just to show everybody. What does it protect him from? Everything?

Well, he's just been exposed to a lot of dirty girls. So you can't get chlamydia anymore either, huh? That's how that works, right? Is that how it works? You only get it once? If you get it enough times, then you're immune.

But Jamie got COVID in October of 2020. He got it early, early on. And then, like, recently, you had a, didn't you have an antibody test real recently that was fat? I want to say maybe someone didn didn't have a strong line. So I was like, let me show you a strong line. Yeah, that was, you know what it was? It was Protect Our Parks. Okay.

It was when Norman and Gillis had just gotten over COVID. And so we wanted to see. And his fucking lines are fat. So he's got crazy antibodies. I mean, you guys tested me here here for antibodies so that would have been like a year ago i haven't tried since then they say you have t and b cell um memory too which is interesting it's like even if your your body doesn't have antibodies it has memory and it could develop those antibodies if you're come in contact with it some of these guys um that work

here um they didn't catch covid a second time, but they came in contact with it. And then they felt like weird. And then it showed up that they had antibodies. So like when Mercy would test us, it would show that your levels indicate that something recently, your body tried to fight it off recently. Interesting. I mean, yeah, like I feel like a lot of people treat COVID based on anecdotal evidence or what they read in the media so I'm like you know I it's hard not to though what else do you if you don't read it in the media or you don't get it anecdotally how are you gonna what information

you're getting other than that well so but I mean yeah for most people unless you're reading scientific papers well and even scientific papers have conflicting information. Right. Depending upon who's running the study and what the parameters of the study were. And especially if they went into the study with a bias and they tried to accomplish a certain thing. Yeah, of course. I mean, I guess I'm just like my experience is that I left Vancouver during COVID and I moved to Mexico and everything was fine there. Well, I left LA and I came to Texas and everything was normal. People were normal here

in May of 2020. It was wild. Like people walk around with no masks on, all friendly. We were all packed into bars, spitting in each other's faces, sharing food, sharing drinks, sharing cigarettes. The thing that did me in when I got sick, for sure, 100%, was that I was drinking and flying. I was drinking in Florida, stayed up really late, was exhausted, and then had to fly the next day, did a show, had to fly that night. It was a lot. I get sick a lot when I fly, just in general. I have to be real careful about my health. It's not good for your body to be that

fucking high up in the air and that that air that you're breathing i know it's recycled air and i know it's supposed to be purified and everything and it always makes me exhausted and dehydrated yeah yeah you're also probably getting cooked by radiation is that what happens on the plane they cook you with radiation i don't know if it's bad for you, but I do know that you get exposed to high levels of radiation when you fly. I want to say high levels, higher levels of radiation. I wonder if stewardesses have issues, if flight attendants have issues with radiation. I had no idea that you were being exposed to radiation. Yeah, let's Google it.

Here it goes. We are exposed to radiation. Yeah, see, let's Google it. Here it goes. We are exposed to low levels of radiation when we fly. You would be exposed to about 0.035 MSV 3.5 MREM of cosmic radiation if you were to fly within the United States from the

East Coast to the West Coast. This amount of radiation is less than the amount of radiation we receive from one chest x-ray. So that's probably fine. Yeah, but how much less? I don't really know anything about radiation. But the thing is, like, a chest x-ray, you have to wear a lead vest. Oh, right.

That's a good point. I'm worried about cooking your fucking organs. Like, that's not a good... Like, chest x-rays are fucking bad for you. Okay. I mean, there's a reason why they put that vest on you. Right? Don't they protect your junk?

Do they protect your junk? Well, they do it when they give you x-rays at the dentist, too. Right, yeah. They protect you. Or they protect, like, they put something on your hair. Don't protect your fucking brain. They don't give you a lead helmet like Magneto. That's weird, Abe.

It's weird. The radiation, like, that argument I don't see. Air travel exposes you to radiation. How much risk? So does it show us there? Okay. It says your dose, that thing that you just had, that little circle right there. So it says your dose.

I don't know. I clicked off it because it doesn't make sense. I guess that red is the – what's the big one at the bottom there? Is that the x-ray? That upper left-hand corner? Sorry, the big red thing. It's the upper left-hand corner? Sorry, the big red thing. It's the upper left-hand corner of the screen. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

What is the big red one at the bottom? What does that say? This doesn't make any sense. A single dose fatal. It's about radiation poisoning, I think. Oh, okay. So where's the flight? Which one's a flight?

Is it the little tiny one? 40, yeah. Okay, so 40. And then can you make that a little bigger? 40, yeah. Okay, so 40. And then... Can you make that a little bigger? So abdominal... Okay, that's cool. Abdominal x-ray is 200.

A flight is 40. A dental x-ray is only five, but they still throw that lead vest on you. So think about that. Think about that shit. Hip x-ray is a little bit more, though. I did not know this. 800 for hip x-ray. Ooh, hip x-ray is a little bit more though. I did not know this. 800 for hip X-ray.

Ooh, hip X-ray is 800. There's a chest CT scan, which I guess that's a little bit more. A CT scan, interesting. It's 12,000 whatever units that is. That's a lot. What's an MRI? Is that in there? Well, that's magnetic resonance imagery.

I don't think that's radiation. And then it says like 400,000 was a dose that would cause symptoms of radiation poisoning. Yeah, but that like over how much time? Like there's got to be a reason why they throw that fucking lead vest on you. So yeah, this one is also saying a frequent flyer. So that's someone who's flying a lot is going to have almost eight times, 12 times. Oh, see there it is. Look at that.

Oh, see there it is. Look at that. Frequent flyer from New York to Los Angeles has 480 as opposed to 200 from an abdomen x-ray. So what does that mean? That's a lot of radiation. What happens then if you're exposed to that much? But that's over time. You can read minds. Well, then great.

In the comic books, that's always what happened. In the comic books, you got radiation. You became cool as fuck. How much do we get from the sun? Don't we get some? Not, I guess. Yeah, you must get some solar radiation. Just hanging out outside, don't you get radiation?

Well, the thing is, like, everything has radiation. Like, rocks have radiation. Like, if you are exposed to rocks, like you touch a hot rock, that rock has radiation. Okay. But it's very, very little. Like, people are worried about your cell phone. The radiation from your cell phone. Okay. But it's very, very little. Like people are worried about your cell phone. The radiation from your cell phone. Maybe.

Is it bad? I don't know. Some people think it is. You're supposed to not put them on your genitals. Yeah. Your cell phone. Elon doesn't think it's bad. So I'm like, tell me what to do.

I'm not too worried about my cell phone. But if you listened like by your ear on one side of your head and then developed a tumor. Here's a little comparison chart that maybe helps. Ultrasound or MRI. Radiation exposure equivalent to zero days of natural radiation, zero hours of flying. Lower back x-ray. Radiation exposure is equivalent to 213 days of natural radiation or 182 hours of flying. Lower back CT scan is equivalent to 511 days of natural radiation

or 462 hours of flying. So if you're a stewardess, you're getting cooked. Are you allowed to say stewardess anymore? There must be studies. Is it a stewardess? I don't know. I say stewardess, but I think you're supposed to say stewardess anymore? There must be studies. Is it a stewardess? I don't know. I say stewardess, but I think you're supposed to say flight attendant. Actresses are just actors.

They're female actors. I don't care about any of that stuff anymore. No? I think maybe I went through a phase of caring a little bit, but I don't care about calling people retards. I don't care about calling people bitches or cunts or assholes or dick bags or motherfuckers or keep going i mean i have like a potty mouth but i just i feel like it's not important that's not the important thing you know what phrase went away comedian i don't even

remember that being a thing yeah it was female was female comedian. That's silly. Well, comedian Miss Pat. Miss Pat was one of the funniest people alive. She has like comedian Miss Pat is her Instagram. That was like comedian, I think. Is that it? I've never heard that. You never heard comedian? No, I don't think so.

Yes, there it is. Comedienne. A female comedian. Which is weird. Weird. Because comics don't think so. Yes, there it is. Comedienne. A female comedian. Which is weird. Weird. Because comics don't use it. Yeah. I mean, it is really unnecessary, I think.

But also, I don't care. I feel like people tried to make that a set. It's not an actress. Actor. Everyone's an actor. I'm like, who cares? It's a female actress or it's a female actor like i don't know i just i don't think that's the important thing i think that what's

happening in real life is the important thing oh yeah you know what i mean no for sure i just think it's interesting the phrases that just get adopted and with comedy it just got abandoned for whatever reason interesting yeah i mean you would, but it's obviously not true that that's because like, comedy can't be woke because how do you make jokes if everything's supposed to be woke? But obviously,

they've woked comedy, so. Or they've tried to in any case. I feel like it was short-lived because I feel like the unwoking of comedy came around pretty fast. Like,

I feel like there was like, a period of time when they were trying to like, make woke comedy happen and then people like Ricky G gervais and like dave chappelle were like nah well it's also the problem first of all ricky gervais's new shit is fucking hilarious oh it's so good it's hilarious yeah but it's also when you are doing what you're trying to be woke you are saying i adhere to the ideology i will speak only the phrases that empower and enlighten. That's not comedy.

No. Comedy is talking shit. Comedy is you have a couple of drinks and you say something fucked up to your friend. You both laugh hysterically. Or you call each other up and you don't even mean what you're saying, but you're saying something to be funny. That's comedy. And when you want to pretend that that's a statement, you're going to lose me as an actual human like i can't talk to you as a real individual anymore because i know you're playing a game so i can't take what you're saying seriously any longer because now you're not really having a

conversation with me you're just trying to force me into your ideology for social brownie points i'm not going to do that yeah well yeah and it's not authentic no it's phony it's horseshit yeah and it's like i'm willing to have a reasonable conversation with anybody about any subject. But if you want to pretend that jokes aren't jokes, we can't talk. You can't say that you can't joke about things. You can't say that that Ricky Gervais stuff is offensive. It might have offended you. It didn't offend me.

It's so funny, though. It was hilarious. I mean, I feel sort of like jokes and humor trump all. Like if it's funny, then I'm like, okay, but it's funny. So yeah, if it works, like I, yeah, I guess I just, I think that there's some people who actually, I really don't like these people who actually don't have a sense of humor. Like they just don't like, they don't care. They don't think like humor is not important to them and they kind of don't really get it. There's a sense of humor. Like they just don't, like they don't care. They don't think,

like humor is not important to them and they kind of don't really get it. There's a lot of that. It's also a loophole. People are like, this is offensive, this is offensive. Sometimes it's,

and a lot of times it's phony, but I think there genuinely are people who are like, well, I didn't get it, so it's not funny. It's like, no, you didn't get it because you have a bad sense of humor. There's that.

And there's also people that are authoritarians and they don't like comedy because it's a loophole. Right. Because if they want to tell you what to do, you know, and you are joking around about something, they're like, no, you can't joke around about that. And they'll tell you, this is off limits for comedy.

And they want to fucking protest. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. It's like they're just upset that in their mind, like there are things you just can't joke around about. And in their mind, it's, you just can't joke around about and in in their mind it's you know whatever their ideology says yeah i mean i guess it's just it's so controlling yeah like i'm so weirded out by this culture where people think that they are entitled to control

other people what other people think what other people say what other people joke about and i don't understand the desire to do that either it's like like let people live yeah like why are you so obsessed with what other people are doing is that like because you don't have anything interesting going on in your life or you feel out of control in your own life like i keep trying to like look at it through a psychological lens i suppose and i i don, I don't, I, I, it doesn't make sense. No. Yeah. But it's just a natural human trait, a natural human characteristic, whether it's through religion or through culture to get people to adhere to the boundaries that you've set for your group. And if someone tries to stray outside those boundaries and joke about things or do something or say something or have, you know, some sort of an opinion that's forbidden.

And you want to signal that you're part of the in group, which is tribalism also. Right. So you're like, I'm part of this group. So I believe this. So I won't tolerate this. You're part of the out group. Megan, I have to pee so bad. I have to pee too. I kept being like, should I interrupt? Because I really have to pee. Let's wrap this up. Tell people, you

said it before, but say it again. Your sub stack. Oh, it's just Megan Murphy, so M-E-G-H-A-N. There it is. The same drugs with Megan Murphy. Also, oh, sorry. Go ahead. So, is this going to come out tomorrow? Tomorrow, yeah. So, tomorrow people, if they still want to come,

they can still buy tickets to this event what day is the event june 10 june friday at 6 p.m and where's it at austin central library it's called women leaving the left um so uh that's yeah 7 10 west caesar yes yeah event Cesar Chavez. Yeah. Eventbrite. It's easy to find. Go to my Instagram. The public library. The link's there. Buy tickets online if you would like to come.

Anyway, thank you so much for having me. Thank you. This was really fun. It was so great to see you again. It was fun. Yeah. All right.

Bye, everybody. Bye. Thank you.