The Joe Rogan Experience - #1835 - Mike Judge

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

Mike Judge is a filmmaker, animator, and actor. He's the creator of "Beavis and Butt-Head," "Silicon Valley," co-creator of "King of the Hill," and writer and director of "Office Space," "Idiocracy," and "Extract." His new film, "Beavis and Butt-Head Do the Universe," will premiere on Paramount Plus on June 23, 2022.

the Joe Rogan experience so first of all thanks for being here appreciate it great to see you again thanks for having me yeah my pleasure I watched idiocracy this morning oh boy dude it fucking holds up it It holds up. Does it? Oh, my God. It's funny.

I never saw the whole thing before. It was one of those movies that I just, for whatever reason, I just never saw the whole thing. Well, it kind of, yeah, it didn't have much of a release. It didn't? No, it was, I mean, to be fair, like it was a weird movie. It was hard to market. It's a funny fucking movie, man. Oh, thanks.

It's funny. I mean, I watched it in the gym while I was working out. I was cracking up. Oh, nice to hear. It was really good. It was like surprisingly funny. There was some great stuff about it. When it shows the very smart couple that's holding off and having children

and the dumb people keep fucking yeah that was uh I feel like I really made the whole movie just to make that sequence that was one of those rare time Patrick and Darlene the two actors that it's the only time I think this has ever happened they I think they were auditioning them in pairs, and they auditioned, and I kind of looked at like two or three more people and then said, okay, let's just cast them. It's perfect.

That guy was so good, Patrick Fisher, yeah. It was such a good movie, man. Oh, thanks. And it's so interesting, like looking at the world in 2022 it's like the only thing you missed was social media yeah i mean i i keep thinking about all the stuff i missed i i yeah i feel that movie was i feel like it was cursed to begin with um everything that went wrong went wrong everything that could go wrong went wrong like and it was so many things like we

shot it here in austin it's supposed to take place in a drought and it was like the rainiest summer we had to keep killing grass which feels really awful to do oh god but but we um how do you do that oh yeah you put it like a giant piece of like tarp cardboard over it for like two nights or something but then sometimes they have to put gasoline on it or something it just feels horrible to kill grass um yeah i don't know and then i feel like the curse of the movie kind of just spread out into the world or something but uh when i was just thinking about this because i can't i have a hard time watching it because it just brings back so many stressful memories but um because it was difficult to make yeah it was just we were you know barely

had an impossible schedule and and then in post you know they they just cut we had a bad test screening and they just cut the effects budget down and but I mean you know they did pay for the movie to get made. So I appreciate it. But yeah, I was just thinking that. So there was the wardrobe woman, whatever. I don't know what you costume designers, the official title. She, you know, she had a limited budget also. And for the shoes.

So this we shot in 2004. She goes, she tells me, OK, there's a startup and it was Crocs, but they weren't out in the world yet, but it was a small company. And she goes, look at these, these horrible plastic shoes. So we could really save a lot of money. Just put everyone in these things. And then I said, well, what if, but what if by the time the movie comes out, what if everyone's, what if these become popular and people are wearing them? She said, oh, these are never going to become popular. No one would ever wear these things. They're horrible.

And then, yeah, there you go. But then it took two years for the movie to come out. But then people are going, oh, that's pretty funny that you put everyone in Crocs. They did kind of become popular, right? Yeah, and they're not around much anymore, but they were really popular. They're really popular right now. They came back in the last two years all of a sudden. What do you mean? Who's wearing them?

Post Malone had a deal with them. I think Justin Bieber did too. People are putting pins on them and stuff. They're very popular right now. Pins? Yeah, like little pins. Oh, like shirt pins? Yeah, yeah.

I should stop talking shit. I know people wear them. A lot of guys wear them in camps. You bring them to camp, like they're camp shoes. They wear Crocs around camp because they're light. If you're wearing hiking boots all day and then you're camping, you wear Crocs at night when you're hanging around a campfire. Do you get Lyme disease?

So this is a new thing? I've only seen it popping up recently. I'd heard they were in bankruptcy like five years ago or something. Maybe I heard wrong. Wow. Maybe they were. Maybe somebody came in with funding and took a distressed property. I don't get it.

I was always confused. Like there's so many options for shoes. Why would you ever buy those? There's all kinds of slippers you could have. Yeah. There's no need for those. I don't get them for camping though. You're going to get like ticks all over your hair. shoes why would you ever buy those there's all kinds of slippers you could have yeah um there's no need for those i don't get them for camping though like can't you gonna get like ticks all over here no i think the idea is socks on like hunters wear them so like when you're in the

woods and you're hiking you're wearing these like very kind of rigid hiking boots and then when you're just around the campfire oh they wear these little Crocs. Okay. Because they weigh nothing. Oh, okay. Yeah, they are light. And they provide you with protection from sticks and shit. Oh, okay. And they wear them like, you know, over socks. I see.

So they're horrific looking. Yeah. They don't look good. What is this? That's why I wanted them in the movie. What the fuck is this? They're $600 Crocs. These are fashion Crocs.

Cut the fucking shit. I thought they were fake. They are not fake. Those are real? These are real. $600 Crocs with some kind of a heel. What does the bottom of that heel look like? Is it a peg? Like a peg.

Like a nail. It's like a nail is going through your thigh. That is so strange. You know what I don't get? The strap. Prediction correct. What's the story with the strap at the top of the foot? Oh, that's like sport mode.

Do they all have straps? Yeah, the one thing about a slipper. When you need to run and you need to do some action. You ain't doing shit in those things. Put it around your heel so it doesn't fall off. Wait, $600? Is that how much? Yeah, they're real.

$600. That's how much? Yeah, they're real. $600. That's how dumb people are. Put that in your new movie. Yeah, I know. I wish I could remake that. What would you do different? Well, like you said, I probably would have had more staring at phones and stuff. Nobody saw that coming, though.

Yeah. Which is wild, right? Because you filmed it. It was released in what? 2005? phones and stuff i mean i nobody saw that coming though yeah um well there's also wild right because you filmed it it was released in what 2005 2006 we filmed it in 2004 yeah so if you think about like phones back then it was all flip phones yeah they were starting to come out with the nokia um but yeah the iphone i don't think was there. That was seven. Yeah. It was about to come out. Yeah. And, but, and even then, like everybody thought that was kind of like a novelty. Nobody ever thought it would be like a requ, almost a requirement for life.

Yeah. And also I wrote it in 2000, I started writing it in 2001 and then, uh, it's writer Eitan Cohen. I wrote a draft with him. I wrote an outline and then, so that was like 2002, I think, or 2003 that we wrote it. So it was like pretty far away from all this stuff happening. That's the only thing you missed, though. I mean, the dumbing down of people nailed.

Yeah, I was sort of, I was thinking of it like – so I had the idea in the 90s, but I remember when – in 2001, in the summer, I was with – well, it was the year 2001. I had seen the movie 2001 again and thought, wouldn't that be – wouldn't that have been funny if that movie, instead of everything being pristine, advanced civilization, it was like giant Walmarts and the Jerry Springer show. And like what if that movie made in the 70s was actually that accurate? And I just kind of thought of a graph of like everything from whenever that movie was made, like 71 to the year that it was, 2001, if you just kept that progression going. year that it was 2001 if you just kept that progression going and just like more crass foul language in the mainstream more like just everybody getting dumber and dumber and just advertising everywhere i don't know it's just it's sort of a i also wrote it i owed fox a screenplay and i pitched two or three different things and they said oh that's the commercial one that's when you should make and um i didn't think they would make it.

It was fun to write. Why didn't you think they would make it? It just seemed too weird. But, you know, they saw it. You know, anything in the future sounds fun and like a big, broad comedy. But, yeah, then they – it just – it was more fun to write than it was to make. I mean nothing against anybody involved. It was just like a very difficult schedule and a lot of stuff went wrong.

It had 65 speaking parts in it. Wow. Which you don't even – when you're writing, you say, oh, and then there's this – and it's like, oh, yeah, you have to cast every one of those people. Well, it's still funny. It's still funny. It really, really holds up. It's excellent. Well, thanks. I remember moving to LA in 1994, and I got a, I think someone I knew at MTV hooked me up, and they gave me a VHS tape of all the Beavis and Butthead episodes, and I didn't have cable

hooked up yet. So my TV was hooked up, but cable wasn't hooked up yet, and so I was watching VHS tapes of Beavis and Butthead, and I remember me and this girl that I was dating at the time laughing our fucking ass off. I didn't even have furniture. I just had a big TV, and we were sitting on the carpeted floor just crying, laughing at Corn Julio. Oh, okay, so you got to the good ones then yeah by

that season it was we started to find our stride yeah that was that was fun to do that was uh wait were you doing a did you have a gig at mtv or no well i did at one point in time i did a mtv half hour comedy hour and then i um auditioned for another show at MTV. And the negotiations of that actually wound me getting up on a Fox show called Hardball, which got canceled, then I got news radio. Oh, okay. So that was how I moved to LA. But I was still in contact with someone at MTV, and they hooked me up.

Yeah, I thought I remembered some MTV association with you. Yeah, that was what it was. It was like they were trying to do a thing with me, but MTV was like insanely cheap back then. I think they wanted to give me $500 for a pilot. And if the pilot went, I would be exclusive to them for several years. So they would own me for several years exclusively for $500, which is hilarious. Well, I think the way Dan Cortez got out of his deal, I don't know this for sure.

Whatever happened to that guy? Oh, I don't know. But they had a deal with him that actually violated labor laws. It was so like – it might have been the same thing you're talking about where it's actually might have even been slavery laws. Yeah, they were really egregious. They just would. Yeah, it was. Well, you know why they did that?

They did that because they created a few stars that became huge stars and they felt like those stars left and they made these people stars, but they didn't profit off of it. So like Dennis Leary was one of it so like dennis leary was one of them and paulie shore was another one like you know totally got yeah he got away he got away yeah well so he did totally paulie and then totally paulie uh he left that and wound up doing all these big movies and then leary was that sort of the same thing you know he did those little snippets where he would like like, rant to the camera. Yeah, those were really good. Those were popular.

And he was on Remote Control, too. Remember Remote Control? Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing him on, I think, Comedy—well, it was called the Comedy Channel. And then it was about to become Central. So I think that was their overcorrection. Their overcorrection from losing guys like Pauly Shore was to create something where they violated.

Yeah, they overcorrected on me. I forgot about that Dan Cortez guy. That show was great. MTV Sports. MTV Sports, yeah. He was a huge star for a while. Yeah, what the fuck? I don't know what happened to him.

How does that happen? Where a guy just is everywhere and then... Yeah, he was like the heartthrob. It seems like it... Yeah, he was... I don't know when it fell off, like 95 or something? He just... I don't know, maybe...

Yeah. At some point, he just disappeared. I don't know what he does now. I wonder what he does now. Maybe he's got some great gig. Yeah, maybe. I don't know about... Find him.

Where's Dan Cortez? I found his Instagram. Yeah? It seems like he's hanging out. Where's he at? Let me see what he's at. Is it Cortez with an S? There he is.

Just seems like a normal guy now. Dude, hanging out. Posting old stuff. Oh, Bill Murray. Wow. Yeah. I wonder how you become that guy. What was his name?

How you become Dan Cortez? Yeah. I think he was working on a set or something like that, and then someone had the idea to put him on the show. He started acting after that. Well, I hope he's having fun. Yeah, but so how did you guys wind up with Beavis and Butthead there? So I had, I was making these animated shorts in my house

and just mailing out VHS tapes of them. And there was a show called Liquid Television. Well, I had gotten, I had gotten, I made three shorts before. Beavis and Putted was the fourth one I'd made. And the first three had gotten, like the first one I made was on a show on comedy, it was called The Comedy Channel. Night After Night with Alan Havey. Oh, I remember Alan Havey.

Yeah. And so, and then I'd gotten in some animation festivals and so people were starting, there was a show called Liquid Television on MTV that, um, was on Sunday nights and, uh, they would license animated shorts. So I got, uh, I got like three or four of mine on there. It all happened very quickly. Like I had, they were gonna, they, they asked me to send my first three and I said, I have a new one. And it was Beavis and Butthead. And, um, and then it, so it got on that show. And then there was a long, weird, cryptic negotiation where they said they want to buy it and I said what for and like

and then I negotiated it was colossal pictures liquid did liquid liquid television and then finally they said it's over oh it's a long ugly thing and then finally MTV came to me directly I still didn't know what they were going to do with it I thought those little station IDs or something I was elated I was like this is. I'm just making these things in my house outside of Dallas and it's going to be on MTV. That's amazing. And then I sold it. I sold the whole thing to him for something like $18,000. The whole property, everything? Yeah. I mean, I retained something that you'd

never see any money from, but I was able to get it back later, years later, but how'd you do that? Just cause they needed me to do it. And I just, you know, but it was, yeah, I sold it. Uh, but this was after months of negotiating and I'm like, well, I, it takes me, it would, I was animating everything by myself. It would take me like six to eight weeks to make two minutes. And after two Beavis and Butted shorts, I was kind of out of ideas anyway. So I thought like, OK, I'll just – this will be my admission fee to show business. I'll just sell this off just to meet people and have them know about me. And I, you know, after, like, I went to different lawyers, and there was this mob lawyer in Dallas who was just like, don't sign it.

And I said, well, then I just don't do this? Like, I mean, I don't regret it because I think they were ready to walk away. It had been months, you know, like five or six months, which I guess in show business isn't that long of a negotiation all the time but yeah then they and then they flew me up there and then they started talking about we're gonna do 65 episodes and i was saying okay am i gonna be involved i don't like i did and they said of course it's your baby and you know um but they didn't say any of that until they already owned it they didn't want to maybe it was part of the whole Pauly Shore of it all and those people that had gotten out of there. But they did – their lawyer had all the bad intentions of a good lawyer but she wasn't all that great and didn't know animation.

So there were some big holes in the contract that I was able to exploit later. Yeah, she thought that I was going to be doing the entire, all the animation myself. So there was like a per minute fee that was like three seasons in. My, I got, still my manager, Michael Rotenberg, who's also a lawyer, said, hey, this thing says they owe you a ton of money. So, yeah, we had – we were able to – I was able to get it back and now I own it like 50-50 with them. Oh, okay. That was after the movie and they wanted a sequel and all that stuff. And so this movie that you got coming out, when did this start getting developed?

Let's see. I had the idea for a long time ago it was really about three years ago and then right before the lockdown because it was Friday the 13th March 2020 I had lunch with Chris McCarthy and Kyes Hill Edgar, the Paramount Plus guys, and just sealed the deal right then and then made the entire movie with everyone on Zoom and Evercast. So when you pitch a movie, like a Beavis and Butthead movie, are you just saying, look, I want to do a Beavis and Butthead movie? Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butthead movie. Are you pitching, are you just saying, look, I want to do a Beavis and Butthead movie? Are you saying this is what happens with Beavis and Butthead? Like what's the process? Well, with this one, with the sequel, they've been wanting a sequel for years and I've pitched different, usually. When did you make the first one? First one came out in 96.

So it was like a couple years, was it like? So the show, the short first aired on in 92 the series started in march of 93 so the show had been on a while before the movie came out like three years they wanted it sooner and when did they stop when you stopped doing the television show um fall of 98 oh wow so so it was off for a while but But, yeah, I just – I usually write an outline. I think that's – I pitched – I don't think I pitched either of them. I think I just started writing outlines. Well, for the first one and for this one too.

and for this one too. And there was almost a sequel in 90, I mean, sorry, in 2001 and then they violated another contract with me and I got really pissed and said no movie. Jesus. Yeah. I mean, now I don't know what MTV even is. Is it still there?

Yeah, the beginning of the movie, they have a whole thing with the astronaut and the flag. Really? Yeah. So MTV is now mostly that Rob Drydeck show, right? That's basically the whole channel. Oh, I don't even... Every now and then a show comes along that's a hit. It was like, after Beavis, I don't know, it was like Tom Green and Jackass and Jersey Shore.

Like, there's always a show that... Jackass started MTV? Yeah. No shit. Yeah, that was... Wow. That came along and saved them for a while. Of course, Tom Green.

What was the... Well, Jersey Shore was huge. Was that MTV too? Yeah. Really? Wow. Yeah, so they? Yeah. Really? Wow. Yeah, so they fucking gave up on music videos. Oh, completely.

That's what it used to be. It was the music video channel. We would go there to watch. Do you remember when they released Michael Jackson's Thriller? Oh, yeah. And it was like the release of a movie. Like everybody watched it. I want to know like how many people watched Michael Jackson's thriller the day it came out?

Because I want to say I was in high school at the time. It was somewhere around that range. And it was a thing that everybody was talking about. Like you have to watch it. It was huge. I remember being at an amusement park and seeing a guy who's just dressed up and had the hair of Michael Jackson and girls screaming, even knowing it wasn't Michael Jackson.

Just the way he looked. Yeah, just that a guy looked like that. But he, well, you had to have cable to watch it, right? I don't think they wouldn't. And then they played it on regular TV eventually, but it was so huge. It was so huge, it's hard to imagine anything. I remember going over someone's house to watch it.

Because there wasn't that many channels back then. So when something was on that was a big deal, everybody watched it. So a good hit television show today, I don't know how many millions of views it gets, but it's not a lot. I don't know. It used to be... Yeah, the numbers are way down. Yeah, the- When you had a network hit show, you'd get 10 to 20 million.

Oh, yeah, yeah. A big show like Seinfeld or something like that. Yeah, I'm sure. Friends. Yeah, they got shit tons of people watching them, which that just doesn't happen anymore now. It has to be like the Super Bowl for something like that now. Yeah, there was a while where American Idol, I think,

was getting those numbers, but I don't think anything, any scripted show does. But that was a big thing for MTV, was these videos that they would have, and they would have video premieres. So they'd have a premiere, you know, like David Bowie's video premiere, and everybody would be like, oh, got they would have video premieres. So they'd have a premiere, you know, like David Bowie, video premiere, and everybody would be like, oh, got to be there for the premiere.

And there was no DVRs back then either. So either you VCRed it, either you recorded it, which most people didn't. If you were a real wizard, you knew how to program your VCR. Remember those days? Yeah, I briefly knew how to do that, but sometimes I'd just get a really long one and just leave it turned on right before. Right, yeah, you'd do that, right?

Yeah, you'd do low resolution, like a six-hour recording. If you unplugged them, the clock would go off. You'd have to reset it. Yep, everybody's clock was always flashing. You'd go over to people's houses, the clock in the VCR was always flashing. That was one of the gags I wanted to have in Idiocracy. I don't think we did. It was just that everywhere you see just 12. I wanted a big clock tower, like Big Ben, with just a 12. I don't know if I, I haven't even looked if that's even in there. I don't think it is.

When you make a movie like that and you're done, like, what is the feeling like? Is it like, did we do enough? Is it what you wanted? Because I've got to imagine, like, vision and then execution and then when it's over, like, what does it feel like? It's a very strange mixed feeling. It's like, you know, like, the first one I did was a beavis and putted movie and i i remember uh it's when your whole life like however many hours a day is just fucking with it and editing it and yeah making in a sound mix and everything and i think the last final thing was the final mix and i remember walking out of that place just I should feel happy

it's finally done but it just said like icky like oh shit I've missed something or it's a really weird feeling and sometimes it's sometimes it's better than others um sometimes it's sick to your stomach but uh yeah it's always it's always uh you want that's the other reason i think i don't always like to watch something after it's done because i'm gonna go oh shit i should have changed that yeah i've done that better um but yeah it's a very odd feeling i mean it's good to be done but so many it's just like icky which just seems like it's such an enormous amount of time of your life gets put into it, and it's got to be hard to see what it actually looks like.

Because you're going over the minutia of it. You're editing it. You wrote the lines. You edited them. You watch people do it. Cut. Let's take two. Take three.

Yeah, you've seen a hundred people audition for each part. You've heard the dialogue over and over again. You don't know if it's take two. Take three. Yeah, you've seen a hundred people audition for each part. You've heard the dialogue over and over again. You don't know if it's funny anymore. You can't tell. And also all those hours you're spending on it are to change things. That's all. You're just constantly tweaking. Right.

And so to say it's done, what it is, it's like a feeling of withdrawal, really. Like it's sort of a – even if you're really happy with it, it's like – it's sort of like you're just so used to doing that. And to stop suddenly is just a – you kind of want to do it more. You just want to go back and keep editing. I mean I like editing and it's fun to do. But, yeah. But finishing editing is the hard part. Yeah, when you're – to just let it go and you know not know if if you have a good test screening that helps but you don't always do that like

with a tv show you don't just like whoever's in there and if the sound if the sound mixers don't think it's funny if people working on it aren't laughing and with animation like especially when i was doing the shorts like the first short i did I record you record the sound first and I remember thinking okay that's a pretty funny take I think I got it something good here and then but then you have to the way I read the track with a stopwatch you'd find every syllable and put it on exposure sheets so you're listening to it about two or three times as many syllables as there are in it just before you even start drawing. And so by the time you're done, you have no idea if it's funny or, you know, and I would just have to keep remembering there was a time when I knew this was funny

and just keep going back to that. Do you ever, like, take a few days off and then try to watch it fresh? Yeah. Yeah, that helps if you can afford to do fresh. Yeah. Yeah. That helps if you can, if you can afford to do that. Yeah. I've, I've gotten more used to, um, I don't know, just trusting if there was ever a moment where something was good, interesting, or funny. And if it doesn't seem like it now, just knowing, okay, that, that okay, that did hit me that way at one point. There must be something to it.

I laughed so hard today watching the chart of the people and all the babies that they had. For whatever reason, that scene killed me. And then the smash cut to the intelligent people that still weren't having kids and still putting it out. Then they start bickering about whose fault it is as they're getting older. Yeah, we can't have a trial now. Not with the market the way it is. Yeah, it's amazing.

It's so funny. Because that's real. You know, Elon Musk warns about that all the time. He's like, we are in a very dangerous moment where people don't realize that they're not having enough children. I don't know. Now it's sort of – Melinda Gates had written something about this. Or maybe I read a quote.

Like when – as countries become – go from third world to first world, I guess they stop. They don't have kids as much. Well, women have careers. They don they don't have kids as much well women have careers they don't want to have children as as often and they also don't need children to help them with the family business so that's not like in some some countries people are having children because they need a workforce yeah yeah i had it we were uh at some point making that movie. I mean a lot of the people playing dumbasses were just my friends. Like I have a lot of dumb-looking friends, I guess.

But at some point we were location scouting this place and it was – I guess it was a reform school of some kind, like a juvenile delinquent something or other. I don't know. You're not allowed to call them reform schools anymore. You're not? I don't know. It was called like the Institute of Technological. It had like some fancy names kind of down by – no, maybe I won't dox the place. It was outside of Austin, just outside of Austin.

But I didn't know what it was. And I thought – I was just looking around saying, oh, these people would be good extras. Like when we're, you know, and we had a couple scenes with, I don't know, 250 extras. And one was that ass movie. Yeah. Which we had to, we actually had to shoot the ass. How much footage did you get of that guy's ass? Too much. But I wanted just a nondescript ass, by the way.

And I had to look at Polaroids. A crazy thing happened, actually. So the dude, it's like, okay, let's get this over with. We should set up the camera, shoot the guy's ass. And my cinematographer and I are just kind of going, okay, that's good. Let's just – I know we shot like 10 minutes probably. But anyway, years later, the guy – I'm introduced to this guy and his fiancée. And I'm looking at him and I go, oh, hey.

And he kind of looks at me like, uh-uh, uh-uh. And I realize who it is and I go, oh, hey, um, and he kind of looks at me like, uh-uh, uh-uh. And I realize who it is and I go, oh, because I'm starting to say, I think I've met you. And then later he goes, yeah, she doesn't know. Why would she care? I think she does now. That's a bad start to a relationship. If you're about to get married to a lady and you can't tell her, hey, they filmed my ass for 10 minutes for idiocracy.

Why do we want to not tell that? That doesn't make any sense. I think he eventually did. But at that point, he was kind of giving me the, maybe it was like early on in the relationship. He was trying to be taken seriously? Yeah. Maybe he had like a real job. Oh, he did, yeah. He was trying to be taken seriously? Yeah. Maybe he had, like, a real job. Oh, he did, yeah.

What was he? He worked in some kind of, like, finance. Yeah, that's probably it. He's Mr. Serious. Yeah. What a bummer that must be. We played that movie, though, and, like, I was, we had all those, you know, the juvenile delinquents,

whatever, and they might have been, like, I don't know how old they were, but we put put it up there and i'm thinking like okay i got to somehow get everyone to laugh like just laughing hysterically we start playing it and they're just laughing hysterically like it's nothing but that guy's butt on the screen and i was just thinking we should just release ass and stop writing a script and everything like i think we're already there just release this thing but uh yeah anyway there was just so many moments like that in that movie where it's like it's i wish i saw it when it came out because i was wondering like how's it going to hold up because there's some movies that just don't hold up that good but it held up magically that's nice to hear it was very very funny the 10-year anniversary in 2016 um there were a few screenings and i still i watched pieces of it um but uh but yeah i mean i i could i was

standing outside the theater at a couple of them, and I could hear people laughing. People seemed to—I mean, they sold out, whatever these—the two ones that I went to, so that was nice. That's got to be a good feeling to sit there and watch after all that work, after all the editing and all the weirdness of trying to figure out if it's still good, to watch people that have never seen it before, have no idea what's coming, laugh hysterically. watch people that have never seen it before, have no idea what's coming, laugh hysterically. Yeah, it's a really, especially something like that that was, both that and Office Space were so difficult to make and didn't do well right away, you know, so it's just like, oh, God, like all that work. Office Space didn't do well right away either? No.

Wow, that's crazy. I need a, well, the Beavis and Butthead movie was a hit right away, but. How the fuck was Office Space not a hit right away? I mean, it was low budget, but it didn't, it kind of basically made back its 10 million over its time in the theater. But yeah, it came in like eighth place. Was that in the same time period? When was Office Space released? 99 it came out.

Oh, interesting. Okay. So it came out. Oh, interesting. Okay. So it was earlier. But then two years after, it was in, back when they did Blockbuster home video charts, it was like in the top 10 around Christmas. It was in the top 20 off and on for a while, which was really nice. It's a great fucking movie. Oh, thanks. It's a great fucking movie. I love how you use a lot of the same people over and over again, too.

Yeah. Well, you worked with Stephen Root. Oh, he's the best. He's incredible, yeah. Stephen Root was the only guy on set that was 100% completely different human being than who he was on television. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy when someone—and Root like when he played Milton just completely different like I've I've told I remember years I was talking to Ben

Stiller and he said who's who played Milton and I said that's Steven Root you should what it's seen the whole thing and I had no idea that was him and he had met him and everything he does that in every movies in but that he's a different human hanging out yeah set like he's a him and everything oh he does that in every movie he's in but that he's a different human hanging out on the set like he's a regular guy and then he'd become jimmy james and he would become jimmy james i mean it was a character that he developed i mean jimmy james had tendencies he had opinions he had like he had a whole like biography for this guy such a strong character yeah when i i saw that you weren't in the pilot, right?

You came in the second or third episode or something? I was, Ray Romano was the original me from the pilot. Oh, okay. From the pilot, rather. And Ray got fired, and then they brought in a second guy, luckily, and then that guy got fired because I didn't want to take the job from Ray. So I took the job from the guy who took the job from Ray. Oh.

Which is good. Oh, okay. Better. Because Ray was my friend, who would suck. Oh, wow. Like, if Ray... Oh, I didn't know that backstory. Yeah, so obviously it worked out fantastic for Ray, because Everybody Loves Raymond, he did right after that.

So right after he got fired, then he's doing Everybody Loves Raymond. I'm trying to think when that came out. I remember I had met Paul Sims in 94, and I was writing the King of the Hill pilot, and I was, or no, I guess 95 or 96, but I was, or I'd met him before. Anyway, he had just, he sent me a VHS of the pilot of News Radio, and I immediately called and said, who's the guy playing Jimmy James that guy's incredible I've never seen him in anything and uh yeah then that led to him well he auditioned for King of the Hill and he's just clearly just really amazing no he's amazing in everything you know he did a one of the most incredible things I've ever seen him do as uh we a table read, and Troy Aikman was going to

do a guest appearance in King of the Hill, which he did, I think, but he couldn't do the first table read. And just at the last minute, I understand why Stephen was a little pissed. He's like, someone said, okay, can you read Troy Aikman? He's like, I don't know what Troy Aikman talks like. I don't know. Really? You're just springing me on this. And he proceeded to do the best version of an athlete, pro athlete who can't act at a table read. I wish I had a tape of it. It was so genius. The levels of it. It was like he's doing a guy who can't act, but he's doing a good job acting.

And he's throwing in an accent that sounds like a football player from Texas. And it was just amazing. He was great. And did you see that cowboy movie movie I think it was a Coen Brothers film oh yeah he's yeah oh yeah weird film where it's like a bunch of different yes I just it's and it's got Tim Blake Nelson in it yeah um oh he's yeah I saw that yes I love that movie it was a great movie it's like it's only one of the Coen Brothers right didn't Wasn't that the first one? I don't know. I don't know. Let up.

You know what I'm talking about, Jamie? Do you remember the film? But it was like... It's so good. It was multiple tragedies. He's been in a few. It wasn't No Country for a Man. I typed in Coen brothers.

Type in Stephen Root Cowboy movie It's only one of the brothers I think it's Tim Blake Nelson's in it Oh Brother Ferrato? No no no That's another great fucking movie Just type in Stephen Root

Cowboy film Oh is that the one? We'll go to his IMDB and we can find it. But he played some fucking monotony. He's got a lot of movies. Got his IMDB. I know, that's the set. Office Space is right at the top, though.

Wait, is it? Hold on, hold on. These are all too new. It's fairly recent. It's like 2019, I think, or something. Let me see. Go down there. It'll be...

Oh, man. Where is this hair? Let me see. Go down. It'll be. Oh, man. Where is this hair? Do, do, do, do, do. I can't. Hold on. You're going too fast. I know.

Ballad of Buster Scruggs. That's it. Yeah, yeah. That's it. There we go. Bam. Am I wrong? Is it? Yep.

100%. Oh, it is both. It is both Coen brothers. I thought it was one of the ones that just one of them did. Yeah. Yeah. That is a really good one there. Tim Blake Nelson is fucking Oh, it is both. It is both Coen brothers. I thought it was one of the ones that just one of them did. Yeah. Yeah, that is a really good one there. Tim Blake Nelson is fucking awesome, too. Yeah, he's so good.

You know what he's great in? This movie is fucking really fun. The Ballad of Buster Scruggs is so unusual, and Root's character is completely insane. Yeah. So good. It's just like, it's one of those movies where you're like, what the fuck is this? But that's all of their movies. Their movies are so interesting.

Oh, yeah. They're so weird. They make so many, I haven't even seen them all. Tim Blake Nelson's brother was a producer on Idiocracy, actually. Tim Blake Nelson is in a great Western called Old Henry. Have you seen Old Henry? I haven't seen that one. It's great.

I don't want to give away, there's like a plot twist to it and you go what but uh it's a really interesting uh old Western but it's not funny at all is it oh is it recent one yeah I want to say it's like 2020. last year Westerns are gonna come back that's it that's old Henry that's fucking good and that's when I just took a chance on I was home and I was bored and I was like let me see what's what new movies are out and I looked in iTunes and it was just there and it was highly rated so I said alright let's take a different chance that trace yeah so and Steven Dorff's great in it too I had no idea what the movie was about, so I'm like, okay, let's just give it a chance. And it was really fucking cool. Wow.

I love a good Western, though. I'm a sucker for a Western. Oh, me too. I like Unforgiven. Oh, Unforgiven's fucking fantastic. It's like one of the greatest ever. That was, in my opinion, that was like Clint Eastwood doing like a cleanup. Yeah.

You know I did all these films that were kind of unrealistic about Westerns and Cowboys. Let me come back and show you what it was probably really like. Yeah, exactly. That's what like, I get like watching, like that's probably what a A draw Like a shootout Where people are actually screaming and freaking out Yes That someone died Like

Yeah I mean that was incredible And this one guy who can just keep it together And that's why he can kill everybody He just doesn't freak out Yeah I like the stylized ones too But that one was just

That blew my mind It still holds That one holds up Oh it's fantastic i mean i love all of his old westerns i love outlaw josie wales i love all the spaghetti westerns i had the box set of the dvds i mean anytime one of those would come on i would just be glued to the set it's really incredible that that moment in human history like when people were making their way across the continental united states became such a genre for film.

Yeah, I wonder, yeah, I guess. There's not a lot of pioneer movies. You know what I mean? There's a few, but it's nothing like the Westerns. Listen to that. They say there's like the Wild West only lasted like eight years or something, the way it's portrayed, like where it was really wild or something. Is that real? I guess it's all post-Civil War, right?

I don't know. I shouldn't be talking. I'm not a historian on it. I just remember someone saying that, that it's like before it was really tamed. It wasn't that. But there's like a million movies about it. Yeah. Well, that makes sense.

I mean, I think a lot of it had to do with the gold rush, right? Yeah. You know? sense i mean i think a lot of it had to do with the gold rush right yeah you know i mean that was the reason why people were motivated to make their way out to those weird towns like san francisco and like all of these places seattle there were miners lay down railroad trucks yeah it's just a very unusual time in history but as a genre for film it's such a rewarding genre because it's lawlessness yeah you you can have this one person with morals and ethics who keeps the fucking town together and then this bad guy who comes in is trying to take over and just such a you know it's such a classic story. Yeah, just pure writing, you know.

Yeah, there's also a bunch of, Quentin Tarantino used to do a thing where he'd come to Austin and show, he has just a collection of prints of movies that no one's ever seen. Like, maybe now a lot of them are available, but like, I remember around 2002, 2004, a couple of Western are available but like I remember on 2002 2004 a couple westerns that didn't even have people I had heard of in it hardly like the that were just incredible I mean

like I don't even try to describe them but they were like on par with all those whatever Sergio Leone spaghetti westerns and just just totally unknown? Yeah, unknown. I mean, some of them, yeah, I remember there was one where this guy, he goes to a town, he's like a gunslinger, and the bad guys are coming, and they just desperately need him to save the town. And the mayor promises the guy his daughter if he can defend the town.

And you kind of forget about it and there's a big shootout and everybody's happy at the end and you think this is a happy ending and then the guy goes no i got i got the daughter like he's like at the end of it like he's like and you're like whoa this dude wasn't really all it made they kind of make him not a hero at the end of it it was really interesting dark movie i can't remember the name of it, it was a really interesting, dark movie. I can't remember the name of it. And probably what it was really like back then. Right. There probably were no real good guys. Yes.

You know, when you have a time in history where the morals are completely eroded and you see mass atrocities committed left and right, like even whatever the bar is for the good guys is probably quite a bit lower. Yeah. It doesn't take much to tip the scales into horrible anarchy no it's just it's uh it's so interesting how we romanticize those moments though those moments and like that's like one of the big when we were kids we played cowboys and indians oh yeah you know that was i don't know if that's allowed anymore, but that's what all...

I don't think so. I don't think you play an Indian unless you are one now. We had the pop gun and you watched Lone Ranger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, people forgot Johnny Depp played Tonto. Oh, that's right. He got in trouble.

Oh, he did? People were like, he's not an Indian. Yeah, people were angry. He's like 164th or something. Oh, he did? He's not an Indian. Yeah, people were angry. Is he like 164th or something? Is he? I don't know. Not enough. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's just such a, I mean, so many shows. Bonanza, so many different television shows. Yeah, I wonder if it's going to make a comeback. Deadwood. Wasn't there a Western recently? Didn't know. Yellowstone, kind of.

Yellowstone is modern though. 1883. Yeah, the prequel, right? Yeah. I haven't seen that. Is that good? I haven't watched it. I've heard it's good.

Yellowstone's fucking great. I hear it's great. I've got to watch it. Yeah. Do you do much consuming of films and stuff when you're not making them? I went through a long phase where I wasn't at all, and now I do. Yeah, now I try to watch a lot of stuff, but there's so much stuff I can't keep up. Yeah, it's impossible.

People are always telling me about, oh, you've got to see Euphoria. I'm like, how? How do I? Where's my time? You tell me how. How I can watch this. You know the thing that I just saw that made me absolutely want to watch it is there's an entire series of Rowan Atkinson trying to kill a bee.

Have you seen that trailer? One bee? One bee? I was laughing so hard at this thing. What is it called? I think it's called something to be or something like that. What? We did a Beavis and Putt-Out episode where they try to kill a fly.

Mr. Bean? Man versus bee. Wow, look at that car he's got. He just gradually fucks everything up more and more just trying to kill this one bee. Is this a British film or it's a Netflix thing? A Netflix, but it's a Simpsons. Netflix series? I'm Trevor from House Sitters Deluxe.

Hello, sweet pea. It's Dad here. I managed to get a job. It means that we can still go on holiday together. Shoot. Danny, I'll call you back. So dumb. I'll call you back. So dumb. This guy has been doing slapstick for a thousand years. I guess I'm just like,

I haven't seen anything like this in so long. I, it was so refreshing. They're gonna make an entire series on this premise. I just got to see how. I think he can pull it off. Yeah, probably. Where are you? Man versus B.

Jesus, that's a series? I haven't seen anything remotely like that. He's an acquired taste. Like either you love that guy or you're like, what the fuck is this Mr. Bean guy? It took me a little while and then I was all in. Well, you can watch it in small, like when you're not, you just kind of need something dumb to like fall asleep. I would like to talk to him about his health. Oh, is he?

No, because like I have this Chevy Chase theory. My Chevy Chase theory is like everybody says Chevy Chase is an asshole. And I'm like, I bet Chevy Chase is in constant pain. pain because if you think about all the times that Chevy Chase would fall down for decades all of his comedy was him like doing something and falling into a pile of chairs and slipping off of a stage and landing on his neck and he was constantly falling down he was constantly slipping on a banana peel feet first up in the air slams down on his head that guy fell hundreds of times he fell every night on saturday night live didn't he constantly always well does it i think he does

have injuries right he has to like johnny knoxville has so like he's his dick's broke all of his dick's broken he's beat up all kinds of ways yeah Yeah. Well, he did it to himself. He did it in a different way. He did it in a way where like you're 100% going to get hurt. There's no controlling it. At least Chevy was responsible for his falls. He's getting thrown in the air by bulls and shit. Oh, my God. That guy gives me anxiety.

But the Chevy Chase one I'm fascinated by because when i found out that chevy chase was considered an asshole by so many people i'm like what fletch that guy he seemed so cool i'm like how could he be an asshole and then as i got older and i you know i have this deep concern about brain damage and brain injuries from fighters and stuff and then I was like watching him like how bad is he fucked up? Like I guarantee you he's thinking irrationally. I guarantee you he's very impulsive. I guarantee he has CTE 100%. Oh, all that stuff gets your – even if it's not hitting your head?

Yes. It affects your impulse control. You know, a lot of guys that do that wind up being heavy drinkers or gamblers. you know a lot of guys that do that wind up being heavy drinkers or gamblers they're like the way i describe it is like imagine if all day long you're like irritated like yeah but you're going through life like that so you're going through life constantly and also impulse control is fucked because of cte i wonder well, all those, it seems like the UFC guys, the MMA guys don't have that as bad as boxers or do they? No, they have it bad.

They just haven't gotten old enough yet. There's plenty of guys that have it pretty bad. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's guys that get out and in boxing, there's guys get out. Like Andre Ward is my favorite example. And in boxing, those guys get out. Like Andre Ward is my favorite example.

He's brilliant, eloquent, incredibly good at commentary and talking and explaining things. And the guy was a two-division world champion and Olympic gold medalist, and he just decided, you know what? I'm getting out while the getting's good. I'm perfect. I'm in my 30s. He was in prime, the prime of his career, world champion. He said, I think I could serve boxing better as an example of what's possible than as a guy who keeps fighting.

Oh, wow. Yeah, he's brilliant. Brilliant guy. And one of the best commentators ever. And that's rare, though, for every guy like that. Yeah, everyone wants to hang on too long. Well, it's like the thrill of doing that is so much more exciting than the thrill of doing anything else in your life.

Imagine if you do this one thing that gets you to tens. And you've got to remember with Andre, there was no real agony of defeat. He was an undefeated world champion, an Olympic gold medalist. He's handsome, so his pristine face didn't get busted up. Wow. Really never, other than Kovalev. Kovalev was the only guy that really hurt him in a fight. Never really got hurt bad.

And even in that fight, he wound up winning. He didn't get knocked out? No. No, he won every fight. He was undefeated. Yeah, and if he had stayed in, probably would have. Who knows? I mean, they usually stay in until they get knocked out, don't they?

Well, until something goes bad. Bernard Hopkins is a good example of that, but he was in his 50s when he finally started getting really – when he lost to Joe Smith Jr. and he fell through the ropes. But UFC fighters most certainly get brain damage. Wow. You can get out without it. It's possible. But, you know, we did a thing yesterday.

We were going over NBA players or excuse me NFL players with CTE and they said 99% of NFL players that have been tested have CTE 99 yeah it's wild so is that almost worse than fighting I think it's worse because I think it's uncontrolled because with fighting like say if if you're a skilled fighter, you can choose to engage or not to engage. With MMA, I think it's better than boxing because you can choose to tie someone up and take them to the ground. Yeah. You know, there's options. I guess that's what I had heard.

Yeah, there's options. People get. The thing is you're getting hurt in sparring. Sparring is hurting you almost as bad as the fights themselves. There's a lot of people that wound up getting really bad brain damage that never even fought. They just sparred a lot. Oh, wow. Jesus.

Yeah. I mean, sparring is hitting. You know, you're getting hit. It's just that's where the brain damage comes from. Do you know people get CTE from jet skiing? Really? From hitting the water? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Oh, you do hit the water pretty hard when you yeah we were on the lake the other day and i was watching these guys because uh there was a boat that was uh we were on jet skis too but i don't fuck around like that i just ride they're fun to ride right i don't need to jump in the air and shit and i had my daughter on my back the back of the jet ski but we're we're behind this boat and these guys are, you know, they're making waves with this boat. Like, it's a wake surfing boat, you know, those things. So people get behind them on the boards.

Right. And these guys were riding those waves on the jet skis, and they're just, yeah, bang, yeah. And they have these super-powered jet skis now. They're so fucking fast. And so every time they land, it's like a car accident. It's like boom. Oh, God.

So the mush inside your brain is just slamming against the wall. And that soft tissue that keeps your brain in place is all getting jumbled up. Is that going all night while you're – you live right on the lake, right? Yeah, it's not going at night. Jet ski guys don't go at night. The boat guys don't. Occasionally you Yeah, it's not going at night. The jet ski guys don't go at night. The boat guys don't. Occasionally you get a boat that goes out at night. But, you know, a lot of the reasons why they do that is they go fishing at night.

They do catfish. Oh. Yeah, or the bowfish, which is kind of cool. They take a boat, like a fishing boat, with lights hanging over the sides, and the fish come near the light. Oh, they just come for the lights? They shoot it with bows and arrows. I want to try that.

I haven't done that yet. Yeah, so you got into archery, huh? Yeah. We were talking about you saw the range that we have here. Yeah. Yeah, it's really addictive. It is, right? Yeah.

Started doing it in my backyard. Well, then I have a place outside of town with lots of room. But, yeah, I still have never killed a mammal, but I figure I eat meat maybe. Also, there's a really bad hog problem. On your ranch? Feral hogs, yeah, everywhere. How bad is your ranch?

Well, right now, I mean, I don't know, there's some people that they kind of come and go. Like about 10 years ago, some friends of mine went out there and hunted a bunch of them. I mean, they'll come through and it's just like a rototiller. Like they'll just rip everything up. It's kind of crazy. A friend of mine said that he was raising sheep. They killed like 20 lambs and one night hogs came through and just.

Yeah, that's something that people don't realize they're predatory yeah yeah first time i saw one it's like big old tusks like they're crossed between i guess european wild boars that were brought over and escaped just domestic hogs i guess that the Spanish brought over. And they get big, yeah. Well, they're all the same animal, believe it or not. Pigs are a weird animal. And this is one of the reasons why pigs are weird. When you take a domestic pig, say a male domestic pig, and he's eating feed and whatever you give him,

and then you open the gate and let him loose. Within weeks, he starts to change. And they'll grow tusks just by the conditions that they're putting? Yes. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Not just tusks, but their face changes. Yeah. They have a different face when they grow. Yeah. Their nose extends. Yeah. They get longer. Yeah.

See if you can find anything on this because it's really fascinating. I was just reading. Yeah. There's a book. It's this author, Neil Stevenson. It's called, There's a book, this author, Neal Stephenson, it's called Termination Shock. It's set in the near future where hogs are just out of control. That's possible. But he goes into the history of it. But I didn't know. So a regular hog would just start going wild if you.

I don't think there's another mammal like it. Not that I've ever heard of. That when you release them into the wild. Physical traits. They have a physical transformation like a cat could become a feral cat right and then they act differently and they're afraid of people but hogs their nose grows longer they look different they look like a wild boar their fur changes it gets thicker and bushier their tusks grow so when you see those pigs yeah see that's they get that yeah that's what they look like that face like it's wild that

changes their fucking face Wow and it changes their nose I don't I don't understand like what causes it well I just googled this when domestic pigs change in the wild okay there just check you like like let me that. It didn't say much more than what you said. But this is good right here. It says domestic pigs can quickly revert to wild pigs. Although domestic pigs, as we know it, today took hundreds of years to breed, just a few months in the wild

is enough to make a domestic pig turn feral. It will grow tusks, thick hair, and become more aggressive. Just a few months. That's crazy. And their nose changes. Like it grows and extends their snout. Yeah, they look more evil. It's the same genus.

They're all called Sue Scroffa. But obviously it's just like dogs, right? You could even say a dog like a German Shepherd. There's big German Shepherds and small German Shepherds. You breed the big ones, you make a big one. Yeah, yeah. And that's how it is with wild pigs, too. But with domestic hogs and wild pigs, it's not like it's a hybrid.

They're literally the same animal. Oh, okay. I also heard, yeah, when you – well, the ones that my friends hunted out of my place, like Like you don't get the bacon off. No. When they're wild, there's like, they're still really good, but not as fatty. Yeah, they're very lean. And they're darker meat too. It's almost like a reddish meat.

Yeah, it looks different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the ones that you get in the supermarket are essentially like veal. They're just sitting there in a pen. They've just been pampered. Yeah, and they're fattening them up until they're ready to slaughter them.

I mean, that's really where you get bacon from. Bacon is from obese pigs. Yeah, it only comes, they have to be super obese to get that. Yeah, it comes off, was it like off their rib cage or something? I think it's like, I don't know what the difference is

between pork belly and bacon is. Bacon is. Pork belly, I mean, I think bacon is almost like I don't know what the difference is between pork belly and bacon is. Bacon is – Pork belly – I mean, I think bacon is almost like brisket. Similar. There was a writer on The Simpsons. I forget who it was. He wanted to see – he loved bacon so much. He wanted to see if it was possible to ever – to eat so much bacon that he doesn't want anymore.

So he did an experiment on a weekend and just woke up on Saturday, started making bacon, just eating bacon. And there's a ton of salt in it. And his tongue and his cheeks started swelling up. And he had to actually go to the hospital because he's having trouble breathing. But he was in the hospital. He said he still wanted more bacon. He never found the point where he didn't want more bacon. Oh, my God. I forget the guy's name. That much salt?

There's really that much salt in bacon? Yeah, I guess that's the cured salt. That's what makes it bacon. Pork belly versus bacon, what's the difference? The most basic difference between pork belly and bacon is the pork belly cut isn't smoked or cured and it only comes from the belly of the pig. The softer meat that is interchangeable with most recipes that call for pork.

Whereas bacon can be derived from the belly and is cured and sometimes smoked. Oh, so it is the same area, it's just turned into bacon. So streaky pork bacon is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon. So streaky pork bacon is pork belly, but pork belly isn't bacon.

Instead, pork belly is the whole slab cut from the fleshy underside of a pig. Streaky pork bacon is cut from this slab, and pork belly is unsmoked and uncured. Have you ever gone to Dai Due in town? Have you ever eaten there? Oh, that sounds familiar. No. It's a fantastic restaurant made by,

the head chef is this guy, my friend Jesse Griffiths. And Jesse, who's been a guest on the podcast before too, is, he runs a school. What is this school called again? He's got like, it's basically a school where he teaches people from scratch and takes them. He does it in very limited numbers. The new school of traditional cookery.

So he takes people out from scratch. This is how you shoot a gun. This is how you pull a trigger. This is how you sight a rifle. This is how you kill a pig. This is how you butcher the pig. This is how you cook the pig. And he's an incredible chef.

His restaurant, Dai Dua, is one of my absolute favorite places in Austin. I think I have heard of it. It's amazing. Where is it? I want to say it's on Congress. I think I have heard of this. We'll pull it up. Yeah, when I saw the...

Pull it up just to let them know. What's it on? Does it know. What's it on? Does it say what street's it on? Oh, yeah, over there on... Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right by... Yeah. Just give me it so I can read out.

It's by Hoover's. It's called Manor. It just disappeared when I got close. It's called Manor Road off of... Manor Road. Yeah, that's... Just east of Texas. Okay.

Manor? Yeah, that's over... Yeah, by Hoover's. We go to Hoover's east of Texas. Maynard? Yeah, that's over by Hoover's. But the way you spell it is D-A-I-D-U-E, right? Is that how you spell it? It's fucking great. He makes a ceviche

with antelope. With Texas antelope, it's a neal guy ceviche. So is the antelope raw then? Yes. Yes, it's like if you would imagine a version It's a Nilgai ceviche. So is the antelope raw then? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. It's like if you would imagine a version of like tartare, like a beef tartare, but more

because it's raw, but think more in terms of like ceviche where it's cured with lime and he'll put it on like chips. You know, like you'll serve it with tortilla chips. It's fantastic. Wow. I've never heard of ceviche that wasn't fish. He has fish and chips from local Texas fish, like Texas redfish. Oh, so it's all kind of...

All local. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it's all, like a lot of it is wild, like wild game. Well, antelope, yeah. Yeah. Nail guy antelope. Texas is an interesting place in that you can serve wild game in restaurants commercially, which is not legal in a lot of other places. Most places, like say if you go to a restaurant, say in like Michigan, I don't know about Michigan,

like California, good example, and you buy elk, you're not getting elk from the United States. You're getting elk most likely from New Zealand. The laws just... Yeah, they can... That's weird. You know, New Zealand is a weird place because New Zealand doesn't have any predators and almost all the big game mammals that are brought into New Zealand

were brought in into the, I believe it was the 1800s. Yeah, there's not natives. They tried to create, yeah. Elk aren't native. No, no, no. They have stag there, which is a very similar animal to elk, very similar tasting, and they're similarly looking too. But they brought these animals over there to create a wild game preserve for Europeans.

So the Europeans would come over, hey, hey, we've gone to New Zealand to hunt. And they were hunting these animals that didn't have any predators. And so the populations boomed to the point where, unfortunately, they have to cull the populations of these incredibly nutritious, delicious, beautiful animals. And they shoot them and just leave them there. Like they'll gun them down with helicopters. Oh, so they're not even going to waste? There's so many of them. There's no predators.

So you have these mountainous, beautiful landscapes filled with these animals, and it comes a time where they have to keep the populations in check. So they do farm them, and they do sell a lot of lamb. A lot of lamb comes from New Zealand, and a lot of elk comes from New Zealand. Did you ever see that cane toad documentary? No. That's another example. They brought these cane toads to-

Australia? Yeah, to Australia to get beetles off the sugar canes, and the sugar canes grow taller there, so they didn't even get the beetles, and then they just reproduced no predator. Oh, and then they brought in cats to deal with the cane toads, I think. Oh, I think they did, yeah. But this documentary- And the cats are out of control now. It's all these Australian hillbillies and just millions of cane toads, I think. Oh, I think they did, yeah. But this documentary... And the cats are out of control now. It's all these Australian hillbillies

and just millions of cane toads. It wasn't supposed to be funny, and then it became like a viral VHS hit in the early 90s. But yeah, anytime they bring up species... Like, nature's so delicate, you can't fuck with it. Well, that is all of Australia,

and that is all of New Zealand. Australia is filled with non-native animals. Jared Diamond writes a lot about, he wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel. Yeah. Like he writes a lot about, Australia is like a really interesting example of a lot of just, yeah, humans wrecking everything.

Yeah, as is New Zealand. New Zealand is, God, it's such a beautiful place, but. I've never been. I've never been either. It looks incredible. It looks incredible. I mean, that's where they did. All the surf did pictures from there lord of the rings was shot yeah yeah which is it seems like perfect it's a very small population and a staggeringly beautiful

landscape wow but that's a very big spot for hunters they go down there and they um you know they go to hunt these animals that don't have natural predators does the guy who serves antelope does he go hunt in west texas like he he goes to uh south texas i believe is where he gets the neil guy he also will buy neil guy you can buy neil guy from ranches there's certain ranches that commercially sell neil guy but the way they do it is they you know they have these wild free range animals and they just, they don't like have them in pens and they go out and they, they hunt them commercially, like long range rifles and stuff like that. And they shoot them and then they

collect them and then they'll sell like a whole Neil guy to a restaurant. And then they'll like, Jesse will part it up and, you know, make steaks and roasts and all these different things from it. But his restaurant is so good. But the point is like one of the things that he loves is wild hogs. And he has all these different recipes for wild hogs. He makes sausages and loins and all these different stews and all kinds of – I don't know how he makes stews. I might have made that up. But he makes a bunch of different really cool recipes with wild pigs. Well, it's really – I mean, it's really good and there's – I mean, like I say, I haven't hunted yet.

I think if I do it, I'll do it with a bow. You think so? Just, I don't know, something about a gun just doesn't seem as – Sporting? Yeah, I guess just because I love shooting the bow so much. It's fun to shoot a bow, but – But I guess you're more likely to miss yeah that would feel that would feel bad yeah it's uh I mean this is coming from someone who hunts with a bow almost exclusively but I did shoot a wild pig last year in California with a

rifle oh the rival it's so much more effective yeah it Yeah. You just get it in your crosshair, boom. Yeah, I was working on it like 20 years ago. It was going to be like a Caddyshack type movie about hunting guides and just hunting in general. I started watching hunting videos, and it's a funny world. It's an interesting world. Yeah.

There's different worlds, though. Yeah, there are. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's there's different worlds though. Yeah, there aren't yeah, like there's the Texas like People that sit over feeders. Yeah, you know, so this is they call it hunting, but it's really just harvesting You're just shooting Yeah

You know you just sit in a stand and you wait and then the feeders go off and the deer Gravitate towards the feeders or the hogs gravitate towards them and just blow them away. So there's that way. And then there's big game hunting in the west, which is like you really have to be an athlete. Yeah, that's when I start. Like some of these, like there's a guy with a traditional bow kills a bear, and the bear almost jumps in the blind with him.

And I'm like, okay, that's actually actually pretty fair like you're taking a sword there i mean not completely a little tiny risk it's like 75 25. yeah it's still it's about as good as it ever gets for the bear probably yeah you're highly favored i mean most of these a lot of these videos are just the ones that like 20 years ago that when you'd go to like Texas Trophy Hunter Convention or something, these videos are like, they have the rhythm and production quality of porn. They're like deer snuff films or something. And like it's kind of going along with cheesy, whatever needle drop music was back then. And then it's just like, bam.

whatever needle drop music was back then, and then it's just like, bam! And then everyone's all kind of excited and adrenaline out and shaking hands too many times and everything. But most of those that we were looking at were just kind of for the comedy of how easy it is, like the timed feeder. Yeah. Like I said, there's totally different kinds of hunting. I remember me and my friend Duncan once, we were doing this sci-fi show where we were searching for Bigfoot,

and we went, and we were in the Pacific Northwest, and we went to this spot that was like this weird little diner, and we ate lunch there, and they had a television on that was showing a compilation of all the kill shots on deer. So it was like an hour-long video. Oh, my God. Boom! The deer getting shot in the rib cage

and jumping up in the air and running to his death. And it was like a cum shot compilation. Yeah, that's right. People are too lazy to watch the whole porn. You just want to see people jizz. That's what it was like. There's something, like like some of these videos, it's like there's one woman taking her kid

who looks like he's 10, squirrel hunting, and the whole thing, like it's this happy music playing, and he kills a squirrel. I don't know, it looks like the Zabruder film or something. It's really, I mean, at the time, I wasn't used to hunting, and I was just like, oh, yuck, this is like. But then, yeah, there's some of them that are just – there's a video for – it's an ad for something called the Barnes Varmint Grenade. It's just like a bullet that just vaporizes groundhogs. In the Silicon Valley writer's room, I was just saying you got to – to, like, I guarantee, like, there's vegans in the room.

It's like, and they were laughing. It's like watching Monty Python. It looks so silly. But it is an animal getting blown away. But, like, it's so, so, oh, no. You've got some barns. Not this one. No, no.

What is this one? You've got to go to the ad because the guy's voice is like, the barns varmint grenade. Let me see. What is that? Go back up. I can't tell which one. Oh, down, down Barnes Varmint Grenade. Let me see what... What is that? Go back up. I can't tell which one. Go down. The one...

Like this? Oh, yeah. Try. Is that the one? Maybe. Barnes doesn't make only all copper bullets. The Varmint Grenade is a new lead-free varmint bullet that gives explosive results.

I apologize to anyone who... Originally developed for military applications, the bullet has a copper-tin composite core. This highly frangible core greatly reduces the chance of ricochets. Oh, Jesus Christ. This hollow cavity bullet remains intact at ultra-high velocities, yet fragments instantly on impact. Here's how a 36-grain, 22-caliber varmint grenade bullet reacts when hitting a grape.

Oh, my God. Here's another view in slow motion. The varmint grenade bullet comes completely apart while it's still inside the grape. Oh, wow. Here's what happens when a 62-grain, 6-millimeter varmint grenade strikes a cherry tomato. That's out of sync. That's just over an inch in diameter. That's way out of sync.

Look again. Here's what's left of the bullet. Wow. The varmint grenade vaporizes ground squirrels and prairie dogs. Oh, my God. Jesus. The thing is, it's like... The coyote doesn't get it.

Don't worry. The coyote and bobcat pelts are virtually undamaged. Anyway. Delivers sniper-like accuracy. Oh, it's just ridiculous. Barnes is a famous ammunition manufacturer. They make copper bullets. Oh, okay.

So they're a known, this isn't like a fringe. No, no, no, no, no. They make great bullets. And so I guess they branched out into the groundhog killing. And so I guess they branched out into the groundhog killing. People hate those little fucking groundhogs and prairie dogs, rather. Prairie dogs leave holes in a lot of horses and cows, step in them and break their legs.

Yeah, people get groundhogs. Yeah, especially prairie dogs. There's a lot of videos of, there's a video of Brock Lesnar from the UFC shooting prairie dogs with a.50 caliber rifle. What? Yeah, which is very similar. Those are the bullets that are like half a foot long. Yeah, they're like your forearm.

It's so crazy. And these things just fucking explode. Someone brought one of those out to my place. Here it is, prairie dog hunting with Brock Lesnar. Every time that thing was fired it was so loud there's like a shock wave you can see in the air yeah well it's an enormous round oh god yeah that's not a 50 cal that's that's just a regular rifle he doesn't need a gun to kill he's like a yeah maybe i'm wrong maybe it wasn't him with the 5050 cal. No, he's retired from fighting. He went back to the WWE, and he does that.

I think that's all he does now. Wow. See if you find.50 cal. Did you look up.50 caliber? Yeah, Brock Lesnar, prairie dog, and then look up.50 caliber. I might have conflated him with someone else who was shooting prairie dogs of.50 calibers. There it is, Brock Lesnar. Okay.

Oh, interesting. They might have taken it down. He might have gotten too much hit. Look at that. Here we go. It's the same day, just a different gun. Oh, God. No, that's a very different gun, though.

That's the.50 cal. Yeah, that's the— Hold on. Scroll back the 50 cal yeah that's the yeah hold on scroll back up so i can see that what the title says there brockless and murdering prairie dogs a 50 caliber rifle where's pita oh god oh my god where is pita what do you want to do pita you want them to die with a regular rifle better? Like, what's the difference? That's the thing. It's like, is it ethical to shoot him with a.50 cal? Well, it's not unethical.

I was just at the beginning of the video. Jesus Christ. Oh, he's not even bracing it on. No, he's huge. That's not a normal human, man. That's a Viking. That's what Vikings used to be like. I remember, yeah, he's got to be straight, pure Viking. Oh, 100%.

Yeah, that's like he had probably like a Viking grandma and a Viking grandpa. He's from the upper, like, the Vikings all kind of, I mean, the Norwegians all settled in that area, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, my favorite example of Vikings is Iceland. That's like more strongmen come from Iceland. Oh, in the strongman competitions?

Oh, really? I didn't know that. Vice did a whole piece on it. Isn't that where you run like a – yeah, it's like – No, it's mostly like they throw barrels over the top of goalposts and they pick up cars. I'm thinking Iron Man. Yeah, you're thinking of Iron Man.

Yeah, the strongman is the – yeah. Yeah, but they're just giants. It's, the strong man is the, yeah. Yeah. But they're just giants. It's like that guy Thor from the Game of Thrones, the guy who was the mountain. Oh, yeah, yeah. Perfect example. Preposterously huge men. And if you were alive 2,000 years ago and those guys showed up on your shore with animal skins over their dick holding a sword, it was over.

Yeah, they went up the rivers and just raped and murdered everybody. Yeah, raped and murdered everybody. Just a bunch of Brock Lesnar's coming. Yeah, that's literally what it was, which is really crazy to imagine that we've come so far that now the result is this guy's out there shooting prairie dogs. It's like placate him. Do whatever you can to keep him calm. Give him a gun. Let him shoot the prairie dog.

Yeah, there's a former Marine country singer here. He's like a gun expert. But he brought one of those out. And yeah, like I said, me and my friend just started laughing every time someone fired. It was so absurdly loud. And, like, you can feel this wave go across your face. And I guess those bullets go, like, two miles or something.

And, like, didn't somebody in Afghanistan or somebody set a world record with a.50 caliber? Was it a.50 cal? Oh, maybe it wasn't. I don't know, like, the distance. I know there's one video. There's a crazy—find this video where a guy shoots a deer with a.50 caliber and misses the deer but still kills it. He kills it because the bullet passes right by the deer's head. Oh, God.

And the force of the bullet passing by the deer's head sucks its eyes out of its head. Oh, jeez. And just immediately pulverizes his brain. Okay, I don't feel like such a wuss then for being like. No, it's crazy. Just the shockwave that that thing. And this is with like noise-canceling headphones. Oh, yeah.

And it plugs in. It's just like. No, it's a preposterously loud round. Also, like, yeah, and it looks like an Estes rocket or whatever. Yeah, it's a big round. It looks like a Red Bull can. Yeah. So this is, yeah, that's how big it is.

Look at the size of that. So see if you can find the deer. The guy kills it. That's it. That's definitely it. So he shoots, and the deer goes down. But then when he gets there, so he's sighting in on this deer. And watch this.

Oh, no. But watch this. He shoots it. The round goes off. And the deer goes down. Oh, Jesus. Right? So you think he shot the deer, right?

So they go over, and there's no wound on the deer Wow it didn't hit it at all oh isn't that crazy oh that's kind of like it's no eyes out of his head and his mouth like the deers instantaneously dead but with no impact I guess that wouldn't be a horrible watch this though when they show it see it just passes by his head oh man watch this watch it in slow motion it doesn't hit him oh my god I wonder what the range of just sucking eyeballs out is for that's so it looks like I mean it looks like he misses it by like an inch I mean if you watch the vapor trail, I mean, it's just passing right by his head or her head.

And then the deer's like, that's a wrap. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Just the force of it passing through the air. I didn't grow up hunting. Like, I don't, it's sort of, I mean, even like my family on my dad's side did, but like I didn't, so it all just seems like hideous to me.

But then, I mean, you know, it's depending on, I mean, there's, well, like, New Zealand, you know, it's like. They have to do it. It is our, yeah. Yeah, and that's the thing about the wild pigs here. I mean, Native America is like, that was their. Yeah, and the wild pigs are really actually really bad for the environment. Are you still connected on here? We've got like a weird feedback.

You hear that? Quiet. You don't hear that? No, we're good. I hear a very low hum, but I mean, it's super quiet. Yeah. It's just a fan. I should probably go around three just to catch my flight.

But anyway. Where are you headed to? I'm going to go back to I'm gonna go back to LA I'm in LA for the summer oh yeah too hot here too hot Texas people like to do that they bail they yeah I'm rado a lot of folks here go to Aspen yeah everyone goes to Colorado and to go to New Mexico too I grew up in Albuquerque and my dad was always griping about Texans coming in. How long have you been here? Well, in Texas since, wow, 88.

But Austin, 94. Yeah? Yeah, moved. I was in New York for Beavis and Butthead for like a year and a half, I guess. I remember I came out here once for a UFC, and you were backstage, and I was surprised. I was like, what? This guy likes the UFC? It's weird. I'm not even a big sports fanatic, but for some reason I got really addicted to UFC. You're missing it. It's here this weekend.

That's what I heard, yeah. Yeah, it's a good one. It's a big one. Saturday night. My friend was asking if I was going and I got to get back. Wait, who is it again? Well, the main event. Are you doing it? No, I was going, and I got to get back. But wait, who is it again? Well, the main event. Are you doing it? No, I'm going to watch. I haven't been in the audience of a UFC in 20 years.

Oh, really? Yeah, I get to just sit. I'm only going to watch, which is great. I'm not working. I'm excited. Wow. And so the main event is Calvin Cater versus Josh Emmett, which is two, they're two featherweight contenders. But there's Cowboy Cerrone's on the undercard fighting Joe Lozon.

Just a bunch of very good fights. What is it? Very exciting fights. Cowboy Cerrone's from Texas, isn't he, or no? No, he's from Colorado. Oh, yeah, Colorado. That's right. Yeah.

So here, Tim Means versus Kevin Holland. That's a great fight joaquin buckley versus uh i don't know uh albert duriev but joaquin buckley is a assassin this is this great fights really great fights oh wow interesting that guy duriev is the favorite oh interesting wait who he fought someone didn't he beat somebody big? He's, oh, Buckley? No, Dory I don't know, let me see what his record is I kind of, I was, I kind of stopped watching for a little while and started getting back into it But I used to, I used to be addicted to it

Oh yeah You were addicted to it. Yeah, when I saw it when you were there, was that like 2011 or something in Austin? Oh, he fought Anthony. Oh, he's going to fight Anthony Hernandez. That got canceled. Now he's fighting Buckley.

So this is only his second fight in the UFC. And his favorite over Buckley, which is wild. He must be talented. I did not see his first fight, though. Lozon's been at it forever. Forever. This is kind of a retirement fight for both guys. I mean, Donald Cerrone is in a new movie right now with Gina Carano.

Actually, a Western that's coming out soon. Oh, he acts? Yeah, he's starting to act. I mean, that's what he's going to transition to, I believe, out of fighting. He's going to transition to acting. And he's perfect for that. He's such a character. A bunch of MMA people have gotten into it.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. When you're casting films, that's got to be one of the weirdest parts of making a movie. You have this idea, you write it out, and then you meet a bunch of people, and you've got to get them to try to become this thing that you've created on paper it's yeah it's my i mean i i actually am am proud of who i've cast i think i'm pretty good at but but it's my least favorite part of the process the audition part of it like i mean it's like going on some weird horribly awkward date every five minutes for however many hours you're doing it

because every person comes in and they're looking for any sign on your face of how they did. A lot of times they're really great and you want to tell them they're great, but they may not just be the type for the part and you want to say that, but all they want to hear is that they got the part. There's nothing you can say. So you just kind of go, okay, thank you. And, you know, you want to give the part to everybody, but you can only pick one. It's just – it's such a – yeah, and also when you're – yeah, if you wrote everything and you're hearing it done horribly, sometimes that makes you – shakes your confidence in the material.

And I mean, usually though, like my first experience with it was, because I mean, doing animation, I was doing a lot of the voices myself for most of them. But like with Office Space, when I did start having good people read for it, it makes the writing seem better. Like actors can make the writings make the dialogue seem better than it is sometimes i think like i i remember thinking for some of i mean then sometimes it doesn't work at all and it makes you think it's horrible but i remember thinking wow i'm a pretty good writer but but a lot of it's just because the actors are just making it seem so real.

Terry Crews was the perfect president for that movie. Did you have him in mind? Like, who did you have in mind when you wrote it? No, I mean, I think maybe it's okay to say now. I was sort of thinking Benicio Del Toro, actually. Oh, he would have been great, too. Yeah, and he turned it down, I think. But I don't even know if it got that far.

When Terry auditioned, he just stole the part. I was showing it to people. It's one of those things where when something's that good, you just keep watching it. And I just kept watching it. He's a rare, funny guy who's also jacked. Yeah, I was just saying that. Yeah, not many people can that. Like he's, yeah. He's, not many people can pull that off.

Very few. He kind of has to be jacked to be funny. He might be the only one. He might be the only guy that's built like that, that is really funny. There's something where it all works, like with his face. And when he was doing that, I was just, I kept going like, wait, this is amazing.

Like this, he's the president and he's that jacked And when he was doing that, I kept going, like, wait, this is amazing. He's the president, and he's that jacked, and he's making these puzzled faces, and he's got so much charisma. And he was a porn star and a WWE champion. Was the character a WWE champion? Look at him there. I mean, how many people are funny and they're built like that? It was like fucking nobody. I know. It's really rare.

So rare. And you buy into it. Like, it makes you laugh. And when you wrote it, did you write as a WWE champion? Was that already in there before Terry was there? That was in there. Yeah. That was in there.

And so I guess, like, I actually auditioned,ed not for that part for some of the other ones, a lot of WWE people and something like there are a lot of them are decent actors, but there's something just that wasn't funny in the right way. Um, we had, um, yeah, we had, uh, uh, at one point Tank Abbott read for, not for that part, but for, um, I think the doctor in the hospital. And he was actually pretty good. He was pretty funny actually. Smart dude. Yeah. Like he's.

He's a surprisingly smart guy who just likes to beat the shit out of people. Yeah. He seemed smart. He seemed like a funny, I mean, I've heard he's scary or something, but I thought he was really funny. Oh, he's a very nice guy. Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy. I've gotten hammered with him before. He actually just came upon hard times, I believe.

Yeah, he had a liver transplant. Transplant, is that what it was? Yeah, he had a liver donor, yeah. Which is not surprising if you know how hard that guy partied. Well, he was saying to it, because I came close to casting him. He had read for a couple different things. But he was a really, really nice guy. But he'd say, like, okay, you guys can call me.

I might be drunk. Like, he kept saying I might be drunk. But he showed me, like, I guess all the fights he would he would do these like pit fights on the beach for the hell's angels or something and he he just like takes these teeth out and goes like yes yeah just finally got these so i could just take them out because i don't know teeth kept getting knocked out or something but uh yeah what a legend yeah he was uh a real character in the early days of fighting. And he was the first guy that I ever saw that figured out to put on gloves.

Oh, that was... He didn't have to wear gloves back then. When he first started fighting, gloves were optional, and he did it to protect his hands. Very smart. Did he invent those kind that, I guess, not full boxing gloves, but like the MMA gloves? No, he definitely didn't invent them they were around I think century might have had them as like bag gloves at one point in time and he started wearing them it was him and Vitor Belfort those are the two guys the first guys

that ever saw wear those gloves and then uh but I think tank was first and then they wound up being a thing where people would wear them and then it became standard yeah those old ones were uh were great you know uh john chris feluci the rendon stimpy guy was way into that and he claims to have given spike tv the idea for the ufc reality show because he was saying yeah you guys gotta you guys gotta follow tank abbott around when he's installing air conditioners and you get to see what he's like during the day, you know. He installed air conditioners? I think that's what John said.

Really? He was doing back then, yeah. He had a regular some kind of – 9 to 5. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's what John Chris Felucca said. Yeah, I don't know if he came up with the idea.

But that kind of really boosted the UFCfc oh that was it yeah that was 2005 yeah that was uh right around the time idiocracy came out yeah i was doing the i was in the editing stages of it when i started watching that actually got me hooked yeah it got everybody hooked the finals with stephen bonner and forrest Forrest Griffin was this insane fight that during the fight, the amount of people increased substantially. That's what I've heard, yeah. Which was like people were calling people up and go, oh, my God, you got to watch Spike TV. Yeah, I was watching it. This fight is insane.

Yeah, it was live on Spike. It wasn't a pay-per-view, right? Yeah, yeah, it was live on Spike. It wasn't a pay-per-view. There were, there's no, I mean, nobody was really watching the UFC. I mean, there was pay-per-views that were still on. I think back then we were just on direct TV. I don't know if we had gotten back on cable yet, but it just wasn't that popular. Were you on it? You were commentating at that point?

I started commentating a couple years before that. I was commentating in 2002. That's when I started. Oh, wow. Well, I actually started in 97. I was the post-fight interviewer. Oh, really? Yeah. I did that for a couple of years. That was in like UFC 12 was the first one that I did. It was in Dothan, Alabama. We had a fly in and a puddle jumper. Oh, I've seen that one, I think. And that was Vitor Belfort made his debut,

and he knocked out Trey Teligman and Scott Ferrozzo to win the tournament. It was the early, early, early days. You could wear shoes back then. It was a completely different sport. Oh, right. You look at those old ones. They're wearing shoes. Yeah.

You could still pull clothes. People were pulling ponytails. Uh-huh. You used to be able to punch people in the nuts. There was a lot of crazy shit that you could get away with back then. But it was a different world. And I did it for a little while, but I thought it was like a novelty. And it was something that I – as a martial artist, the question was always like,

what would happen if a judo guy fought a karate guy? So the UFC came along, and they said, let's see. And so for me it was exciting just to be there and watch and I was always a fan of it and a lot of the Japanese organizations and then it was just I was losing money doing it and so I quit and so then I got on Fear Factor and I would go to once the UFC was purchased by Zufa the Fertitta brothers and Dana White I would go to watch the fights in Vegas. And I became friends with those guys,

and they would get me ringside tickets, and I would say, hey, why don't you, do you know about this guy who's fighting in Japan? Do you know about this guy from Russia? And they would go, hey, you want to do commentary? I was like, no, I don't want to do commentary. I just want to watch fights. Yeah, you're the voice of it now, though.

It's crazy. It's all because of Dana. Dana talked me into it 20 years ago. Wow. And that's the story. All right, so Beavis and Butthead, it's out when? What is the date it's out? Let me get this right.

June 23rd. June 23rd. Okay, so we'll release this. Paramount Plus. We'll release this the day it comes out so that it juices it out. Look at that. Beavis and Butthead do the universe. I'm fucking very excited. Very excited to see this.

Streaming June 23rd, and what's it on? Paramount Plus. Yeah, another. And then that's where Yellowstone is. Oh, okay, cool. And then the new episodes come right after that. There's episodes where they're old. Yeah, if you click on that one, we're doing a little spinoff where they're middle-aged.

How many episodes do you guys do? There's going to be 24, but there's two in each half hour like it used to be. Oh, nice. They're going to be watching TikTok videos and music videos. And when is that going to come out? When does the series do? August. I think first week of August.

Fantastic. Yeah. Mike, thank you very much for coming in due? August. I think first week of August. Fantastic. Yeah. Mike, thank you very much for coming in here, man. I'm a giant fan of everything you've done. Thank you. You're awesome. Thanks for having me. My pleasure.

Anytime. All right. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye-bye.