The Joe Rogan Experience - #1839 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, and host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast. http://www.duncantrussell.com/

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day happy fourth of July great to see you not bad Buffalo Trace this is actually older than America this is from 1773 the company. I don't think that bottle is okay. Holy fuck We're drinking very very old alcohol. I don't you do know the whole the movie sour grapes you wear that now

Sour grapes was a documentary about This guy who was a scammer who tricked all these dudes into thinking he had all this really expensive wine, very rare wine, but it was really fake. He manufactured the old labels, rubbed them in dirt and shit and did the whole thing and mixed wines to make them taste similar to very, very expensive wines.

But he had sold one of the Koch brothers a bunch of bottles of fake wine, and some of it, figure out who it was. I want to say it was like Thomas Jefferson's wine. Like it was that ridiculous. Get out of here. I'm not kidding. They were like, oh, wow, you got some of his wine?

Yeah, they had like a bottle that had like, you know, Thomas Jefferson signed it with a Sharpie. This guy must have paid like a million dollars for this wine he was uh in the hole to this scammer uh millions of dollars in fake wine those guys they collect wine like thomas jefferson would sign his wine like that's who would do that i mean maybe i don't know maybe maybe they just labeled it i don't know i don't know. Maybe they just labeled it? I don't know. I don't know what the deal was, but he had had this bottle that this dude had sold him.

So who was it supposed to be from? Yeah, it was Jefferson. I was right. Yeah, so he decided to include a photo of one of his prized Jefferson bottles in an exhibition of his collection. Koch asked Brad Goldstein, his private investigator, when you're a billionaire, you have one to reach out to historians at Thomas Jefferson's house in Monticello. Oh, when you're a billionaire, you have one.

Yeah. To reach out to his historians at Thomas Jefferson's home in Monticello. He said, this is one of those phone calls I'd always never forget. What happened? Da, da, da, da, da. Oh, so this is just like a transcript of it. Yeah. He said, I have some bad news for you.

These bottles have nothing to do with Thomas Jefferson. $100,000. Yeah. He purchased four bottles. He paid $100,000 per bottle. Wow. So $400,000 for fake bottles. Fuck. Of wine. he purchased four bottles he paid a hundred thousand dollars per bottle wow so four hundred thousand dollars for fake bottles fuck of wine now here's the question terrible that he got scammed right terrible but if that guy just stopped never did it again just quit just got to that level

where you could sell a guy he would feel better he. He would feel like he's got Thomas Jefferson's wine. He could read Thomas Jefferson's work and imagine what it would be like to be in his presence back then. Yeah. I mean. Instead, it feels terrible. It feels terrible. Terrible. Well, fuck, man.

I guess rich people, we assume that they're smart because they're rich. You're like, no one would ever fall for a scam if you've been able to become that powerful. But wow. This one's complicated though. It's not, you know, it's not like, he, I think, got roped in because this guy was legitimate. The guy who was, what was his name, Rudy? The guy who was the scammer was a legitimate wine expert who purchased very legitimate bottles of wine that were very expensive. So he was a guy at the auction that knew everything about every vineyard, about every company, about all regions of

the world. And he was bidding all the time on these really expensive bottles of wine. And then he would sell them to other people. He would buy them and sell them. But he was real. So he was spending a shit ton of money. So no one suspected anything. Right.

They thought of him as one of them. I mean, he's a super successful wine connoisseur. And he's a very gregarious guy. Everybody loves him. I saw a great documentary about the same thing, but with Mormonism. Like somebody counterfeited something about a demonic frog. It was the same thing counterfeited it made it seem completely real what's the founder who founded i can't joseph smith joseph smith supposedly joseph smith had written this thing about demonic frogs or entities

it was really weird and this guy like they believed it and it caused, I think it caused murders and stuff. There was like, people were so overwrought because the thing itself somehow contradicted ideas or parts of Mormonism or something. So there was all this controversy swirling around the counterfeit too. But yeah, happens all the time, I guess, man. It's just people, people are really good at that shit, too. Well, people realize that certain people can be tricked. And so if you're good at it and you can make a lot of money. Do you know about the Voynich Manuscript?

Sure. The best. The best. One of the best versions of that. Like, what is that? They don't even know what that is. It's a grimoire or something they can't decode the language they're not sure what it where it came from but it seems to be like very sophisticated yeah like the the imitation of the

language is pretty sophisticated but it's not really a language right isn't that what they think i i saw something that they'd actually figured it out that they decoded it somehow. That could be bullshit. Really? Yeah. But whatever it is, who knows? I mean, it's just some artifact from another time. This is why I love Graham Hancock because his ideas tie into theories of magic.

What is magic? What are the sigils? What does that shit come from right and some people say it's pre it's before the flood it's technology from before the flood it's the way people had figured out how to do shit that we've forgotten put it in these books that now we see them it's like what is that but the voynich manuscript sometimes i think that's like maybe from the hollow earth or from before the flood it just seems like something that just popped in to our dimension but it doesn't quite fit in here have they carbon dated it do they know how old it

is i don't know i think they have i think they have i think they don't think it's that old i don't think they think it's as old as like 12,000 years ago. I think they think it was like, I want to say like four or five if I remember right. 600. 600 years ago. Oh. Okay. Oh, I thought it was like 7,000 years old. Well, I was off too.

I thought it was a lot older than it was. I think it's horseshit. I think there's a bunch of those things. Because I think there's always been people like that Koch Brothers fellow who's a connoisseur and he likes to and he's got fucking shit tons of money. When you're that rich, you do crazy shit.

You buy wine. You spend money on fake books. How many fake books there must have been written out there? Because they used to write them by hand. Yeah. The Vatican books there must have been written out there? Sure. Because they used to write them by hand. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, like, the Vatican is one of the great collectors of those fucking books. Did you know that? What?

Like, the Vatican has a secret library of all these, like, insanely old texts and scrolls that you don't, you can't even have access to them, man. But, yeah, they're apparently, like, this huge repository huge repository of like occult books that just sit in there. Dude, the Vatican is wild. The fact that that place exists. The fact that there's a small country inside of Rome. Yeah. That you can't extradite people from.

The fact that it's stuffed with artwork. Yeah. I mean, it's the craziest collection of artwork. What the fuck were you guys doing? I know. It seems like you were just like capturing baubles and bringing back statues and it's like it's all about art. Yeah. The amount of

value in art that they have is insane. Insane. Yeah. And the whole thing is about art like when you go to st peter's basilica i completely changed the way i thought of these people i thought of these people as like reaching out trying to leave something that no one can deny spectacular right because it's so big man right like you don't feel it until you're inside of it yeah i'm saying like if you look at the photographs they look amazing yeah when you're inside of that building you you're just like this is spectacular yeah i mean it's like the idea was our god is powerful and because of, we can make things like this.

You know, like how, like if you, how are you going to convince people to pray to your God? If you've got some shitty cobbled together church, like you can't even build anything, you know, if like to prove that the divine inspired the thing, you need it to be like that. And also inside of it it all these crazy fucking crazy technologies back then technologies that were like brand new and like didn't the masons

like it was some of the people who like built it were masons not like mason masons but like free masons so there's they leave little inscriptions in there and stuff. There's like coded shit hidden in those things. But yeah, they leave little like notes. And then there's that other one where there's like the gargoyle, someone like way up in the rafters. There's like a gargoyle sucking its own dick or something. We'll just tuck it up in here. No one's going to know. Yeah. We'll just tuck it up in here. No one's going to know. Yeah, yeah.

If you really think about this Younger Dryas impact theory and you look at all the stuff, all the different stories about a big civilization that was wiped out, you know, Noah's Ark, the Epic of Gilgamesh, it's all these stories of people reset. It makes sense that people were that smart but still trying to figure things out because they got so good so quick yeah right like to get from cave people to st. Peter's Basilica yeah like how much time do we think that took I think they were thinking at one point time that just 12,000 years ago we were hunter-gatherers.

So just 12 years ago, super primitive, probably wearing animal skins, stone tools, and then this. Yeah. Really? Really? I know. Is that? Really? How about we were super advanced?

Yes. How about we were super advanced, and then we get almost wiped out, and then we rebuild from this Mad Max rubble and slowly refigure out things, but in a different way. That's why we don't understand pyramids. We don't understand these giant stone structures. We're like, how? How do they make the obelisks? How do they make them stand up? Where do they get the power to cut those things and move those things? How are they doing that? If these are people that are 4,000, 5,000 years ago,

how are they doing that? Yeah, man. I mean, it's kind of scary. It's wild. Because to me, the scary thing though, the scary part of it is, is it just that humans will inevitably at some point discover a thing? Who knows what it is? AI or particle accelerators or whatever. At some point when we get a certain level of advancement, we figure this thing out that you're just not supposed to do. Don't do that. It's like the one thing.

Maybe it is like something even more than splitting the atom and someone inevitably does it and it fucks the whole planet up yeah and we keep doing it not because of a meteor or climate change because technologically we reach a point where we find out how to do something that you shouldn't do and we do it i mean i think i think it's probably, it could be AI. It could be. It could be. I mean, whatever it was that allowed human beings to get to the level of sophistication they needed to build pyramids. If we reset, something big happens. Yeah. Really big. Like super volcano, asteroid impact, something that kills most people.

It's going to take a long fucking time to get back on track. I think the human race would get back on track, but I think it tracks, just like history. I think it tracks with like a thousand years later, two thousand years later, things start figuring. You know, like the whole Mesopotamia, the civilization, all the beginnings of civilization. But also, maybe that's why you see these images of like the solar system with all the planets in the same, in the correct order from 6,000 years ago written in clay. Yeah. Like maybe this is just like shit that they passed on after everything was almost gone. Right.

For like a thousand years. And if we get to digital 100% if we get rid of things that are written on stone we get rid of paper and We all use everything we do is digital. All right. Yeah, how We we have no record right have no most of us have no access to all the stuff That's needed. Yeah to run the world right and it could all be taken away like solar flare Yeah, it's digital because it's digital if we mostly died out and then the ocean Washed over all of our electronics, and then you know a few people survived on an island

And we repopulated the earth that's all gone we start from scratch So now we have legends right and the legends right like epic of gilgamesh the legends of noah's ark all those stories are that's what those fucking things are man that's what those fucking things are i think that explains why we sort of just pop up out of nowhere being so fucking smart i think we were really smart we got almost wiped out zapped but how did we get really smart in the first place that's where it's really crazy like how the fuck did we separate ourselves so far from the other primates how did we do that and did someone help us come on i mean yeah you think so i am are you kidding i yeah i don't like i don't i don't i don't see how it could have happened any other way.

Clearly, I'm not a scientist, but I think even Crick and Watson, when they were studying DNA, when they discovered DNA, according to the age of the earth and how incredible DNA is, it couldn't have evolved. It couldn't have evolved. The probability of us having DNA, I can't remember this book I read that just explained it. It's like, imagine a slot machine, but it's like 5,000 rows, right?

And all those rows have to land on a cherry at the same time, like something like that for it to mutate, to evolve into DNA unless directed panspermia which is genetic material gets put on some something sent out into the universe that drifts through space if it lands on a planet that is habitable to whoever sent it out then it grows into us then we get to the point technologically where we send out a signal through who knows what they're trying to do it now we just get technologically advanced enough that

we emit something that alerts them that this is a habitable planet and that's when they come they come if they come through mushrooms i mean good. What if McKenna was right? They're channeled through mushrooms. What if that's the stoned ape theory? What if the stoned ape theory is real? Yeah. That's how they get here. Because that's one thing about mushroom spores that they talk about when they talk about

panspermia. Mushroom spores can survive in the vacuum of space. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, it could be. It could be a combination. It could be the mushroom spores inform the DNA when it gets to a certain place so that it starts getting inspired and then begins to, you know, do the work to get to the point where it can open up the other side of the wormhole. What a crazy thing that somehow or another we've been disconnected from it. Not just disconnected, but gotten to the point where it's a schedule one drug

yeah schedule one drug right that's crazy it's one of the great confusions when you're when you're high on mushrooms and you think okay this is illegal in jail yeah this is insane they don't want us to feel like this oh my god why God. Why? They should do it. That's what's missing. It's not that our leaders are different than us. They are us, but they're just humans. They're put in a bad position. When people get put in a position when they can tell a bunch of people how to live their lives and what to do and where their families can live and what they can say and what they can't say and you jail dissidents. Yeah.

That's just what people do. It's what people do when they get power. Yeah. They just fuck it up almost every time. Sure. That's what people do and they get power. Yeah, they just fuck it up Oh, yeah every time sure. That's what this country is supposed to be a remedy of right? That's what this exercise in self-government Yeah experiment This is the first one of them that we're we're really aware of where people branched off and created a country like this well

I'm reading this book about the revolutionary war is it wild it's so good and i feel so dumb for not studying it more because you'll feel better like you know like if you are one of the many people freaked out by america right now like god the people here insane it's gone insane they're always like that they were like from the beginnings of the revolutionary war that colonists were like these are like hardcore people who a lot of them are trying to start a utopia they're you know hyper religious some of them are like the fucking Taliban. You know, they're burning.

I told you. They would burn Quakers. So, like, if you were a Quaker and you're already, like, running away because different religions used to be illegal. Think about that. if you wouldn't say if you wouldn't confess that you thought you know uh god was the only god or whatever they could legally just set you on fire did you ever see all the things that happened to the people that signed the declaration of independence no what happened you can find that they they i'll pull it up because i read it in passing today, and I thought it'd be good to bring up and learn on the spot. Plus, I was too lazy to read the article.

Wait, was it a curse or something? No, no, no, not a curse. They were fucking hunted down. Dude, Bean, a bunch of shit happened to him. Isn't that correct? I've got to find a good place to get the info, but the first thing I see says five of them were chased down by a Brit, British. Wow.

And now I can't really read this so I'm gonna find out. That would be the best video game. Yeah, I'll find out. See if you can get a good source. But I was reading about it today. I was like, I gotta bring this up with Duncan and we'll find out what it's about. Because it's just, it's a given we think that they wrote it down and everything was jolly. No, they were hunted down and everything was jolly no they

were hunted down they were fucking people wanted them dead yeah what the fuck are you doing you're gonna leave start your own the fuck you are yeah yeah it wasn't as simple as like look at this amazing thing we just wrote and uh now we're we're out see ya been real no we control you we fucking control you yeah it's you yeah because like the myth is sort of like okay there's the revolutionary war ends america is now independent and and like you know let's let bygones be bygones everything's fine but no i mean there are people who are loyalists live you know obviously there are people in the colonies who were completely loyal to the king. I think Ben Franklin's relationship with his kid got completely ruined because his kid was like a loyalist.

Wow. Yeah. So people like families were getting all fucked up. Of course. Yeah. Of course. The idea that you would disconnect from one of the largest empires ever and then also that was what i was reading in this book is like their fear wasn't just the revolutionary war which um i think they thought

they had a chance because it's hard to operate colonies that far away and get soldiers over there i mean that's a tough fucking war to fight. But they were worried more what happens if we win. And now who's protecting us from all the other countries? That's what they were worried about is like without the protection of the throne, you're just a sitting fucking duck, a brand new country easily could potentially easily be taken over. Yeah. So they're worried about that.

Such a small population. Yeah, small population of very, very tough people. There was an article called The Price They Paid. This is a 2005 Snowbus breakdown of the article. It's definitely mixed. Some of it was like fictionalized a little bit, but there is a lot of truth in it. So here's the big one five signers were captured by the british as traitors and tortured before they died it's true that five signs the declaration of independence were captured by the british

during the time of the revolutionary war however none of them died while a prisoner and four of them were taken into custody not because they were considered traitors due to the status as signatories to that document, but because they were captured as prisoners of war while actively engaged in military operations against the British. Hmm. That seems like... Twelve had their arms ransacked and burned. Yeah, but the way they're saying that, it's like that's exactly

why you're, that's bullshit. That's a bullshit answer. You fucking, you 100% are going after them because they signed that shit. You're using the excuse that, you know, they took arms against the British that they're war criminals. 12 had their homes ransacked and burned.

Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army. Another had two sons captured. Nine of 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships. So is all this stuff true? It's a very long article about each breakdown. It seems like there's a little bit of fuckery. But it's not always the case with history.

There's always a little fuckery. You have to try to figure through. Getting back to the pyramids, like the idea of how old those things are. It turns out that's a complicated thing because the stone itself, like you have to measure stuff around it. Yeah.

You have to measure like biological material. Like they have to find stuff that's in the cracks and they have to measure that. Who knows how old those things are? Right. Who knows? Imagine if those those things are right who knows imagine those fucking things are 15 000 20 000 years old how the fuck do people ever get to the place that where they could do them 4 500 years ago forget about 20 000 right they're nuts the pyramid like

i was saying about saint peter's basilica i bet the pyramids is that times 100. Yeah, sure. I bet it is, right? Yeah. I mean, whatever. We still don't even know. We don't know what they were doing. We don't know. We speculate. People like, thank you so much. But you don't know what's going on there. Do you know about the Coral Castle?

Yeah, that guy. It's fascinating. That's all you would say. He figured it out, but no, he didn't say how. Yeah. This guy. Yeah, it's fascinating. That's all he would say. He figured it out. But no, he didn't say how. Yeah. This guy by himself. Have you ever seen this? Yeah, I've seen it. It's amazing.

This guy by himself moved all these giant stones and made this beautiful, like, it's like a just giant art piece, right? All of coral that he cut. He built all that shit, man. He stacked all those giant pieces on top of each other. But he's saying he used some magic to do that. Is that what he's saying? He's saying he figured out, let's see the quote here, he understood the laws of weight and leverage well,

and he also that he discovered the secrets of the pyramids. Whoa. He did this, I think this was built by 1923. Wow. Maybe someone should have talked to Homie. Yeah. Yeah, we're all about that. That would be a great.

I'd be like, hey man, what do you know? He figured out to levitate stones. Okay. Let's have tourists come by. The wackiest theory that I've ever heard, and the first time I actually heard it, I heard it from Eddie Griffin, and I thought he was just having fun. You know, he's saying, the pyramids were made with sound. Yeah.

And then someone was describing one of the ways, like a theoretical way, to move massive amounts of weight, and it would be with sound waves. But you would have to have some unknown technology. Like, if you were to move you know those um those fucking those ones that they find those obelisks that haven't even been picked up yet but they were cutting them and they were you know something cracked in the process and so they abandoned it there's a few of them that are so big they're so crazy it just you can't even imagine someone being able to move it today with modern equipment yeah what

the fuck was going on right imagine if they had some sort of super sophisticated way of manipulating the environment around an object you can move objects around dude what what would that be you if you i sent you that did you see that weird fucking gear that they say they say it's for incense but it's not it's like some kind of rotor it's called a jamie i'm sorry to ask but if you look it's like a ancient egypt uh propeller or something it looks like a propeller but it's one of the theories is it was used as some engine or something. I mean, you see these fragments of things all over the place. And weirdly, in Egypt, they don't. That thing.

Yeah. What is that? Yeah. Look at that. They say it was for incense. But to me, that looks like something from an engine or like something inside a lawnmower or something. It could have been for incense. I mean, I don't know.

People have actually like 3D printed it and used it like a propeller. Really? Yeah. And it works? Yeah. Like if you shoot water through it, it goes super fast. Huh. Yeah.

The Sabu disc. That's what it is. So weird There's you know, the problem is when things are that old There's not much left and the stuff that we're getting is just the rock stuff, right? It's like if everything was removed from all of our cities everything except stones. It would be so confusing You would get to a few cornerstones that have like those brass signs on them. Yeah. Maybe you could read those. Right. But if everything else deteriorated, which apparently it would, if you gave the earth

enough thousands of years, all of our cities would just dissolve. Right. Melt. But those stones would stay. Well, and also, wouldn't there be like, we've forged metal that's just going to be sitting there forever. There'd be a bunch of Coke cans. Yeah. How many years do you think it would take to make the Empire State Building corrode into dust?

Oh, man. I love doing your fucking podcast. I love doing it with you. It's so fun. It's so fun. How many, it would take, you know,

like, how many thousands of years? Thousands. It wouldn't be a million years at least for that thing to corrode to nothing. It's going to take so long. But what about like a glass

and metal structure like World Trade Center? That seems like it wouldn't last that long. Well, the beams,, the beams. The steel beams. Yeah.

You know? Like how long before those rot away? Because it doesn't seem like we find a whole lot of fucking metal that we know that humans have tampered with that's, you know, there's no stainless steel from 12,000 years ago. Right.

Yeah, no. What if they had it? What if they had it 20 000 years ago it's just all gone it's just all corroded is that possible i don't know i mean this to get back to ancient aliens because i think that's a big piece of the puzzle to get back to that uh it could be that like you know the stuff eddie bravo would talk about the anunnaki yeah that they like were some kind of crop yeah they grow we they except we we the crop is technology it grows out of the planet gets to some certain amount and then it's time for the harvest. They come, they take it all. They scoop it up, beam it up, take it all, build some new pyramids as like a mark of like,

okay, this lets us know how long it's been since we've been here. And then, you know, then come back in another 15,000 years, wipe it all out again and let it grow again. You know, it could be something like that. Which is, yeah yeah in that case any everything could just be evaporated they just might do it the way what we wipe chalkboards clean just wipe it clean leave a few there leave some of our like emissaries to like give them the new information that we want come back in another 10 12 000 years and see what they've come up with

keep trying keep trying don't let them nuke each other and just keep trying it's like sheep you know the way you just hurt them you hurt them and when they get enough fur you just take it off and the sheep doesn't know what's fucking happening i mean it's so confused i'm sure but probably that's what what happens do you ever read the Zechariah Sitchin books? You ever reading those books? I never read them. I've only heard about it. I read one. It's wild. I read parts of another one but the one that I read was I think it's called the 12th planet and it's all about this theory of this ancient planet called Nibiru. Yeah. It's outside of our solar system.

And it's in an elliptical orbit, and it comes inside of Earth. By the way, don't say I believe this. I'm not saying I believe this. I believe it. Every 3,600 years. The story is like every 3,600 years or so, it comes in between like Mars and Jupiter, and it comes near us us and they hop off.

Yeah, the 12th planet. Yeah. And so that in this book, what he's done is he's decoded ancient Sumerian, which is the oldest known, like that cuneiform in ancient Sumerian, I think that's the oldest known language, right? Yeah. language right yeah and what he believes is that it's a detail of us being visited by another race from another planet and that they come here and they genetically engineer lower primates and that they created us that's it and this is essentially like a giant ant farm made us like gold made us

like gold that's the other part of it. Well, gold particles, when suspended in the atmosphere, are actually the very best thing you could have if you want to protect yourself from the rays of the sun. Yeah. They even talked about doing this. This is one of the theories of one of the climate change scientists where they were trying to figure out how to mitigate global warming. And one of the things they said was suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere. Well, the best reflective particle. Gold. Gold would be the best because it's so light.

It's so heavy, rather, but you can spread it over so much of an area. You can get gold really small. It's very strange. Like a small piece of gold could coat this whole table. Man. It's a wild metal. Brilliant. It's brilliant.

The Anunnaki are brilliant. How smart is that? That's so smart. They got us into gold. Go to a planet that you want to mine. Find something that like its body looks like it could mine monkeys. You know, like when they're looking at it, like what would be a better gold miner? You're looking, it can climb trees really fast.

It can go into, it'll be able to dig into holes eventually. Get in there, make it like, just wire it so that it likes fucking gold. Why else would we be obsessed with gold forever? Yeah. Humans are obsessed with it. Like there's this ancient memory that this is the thing our master wants us to get. Holy shit.

Can you imagine that first fucking monkey in some weird floating pyramid tied to a table with these beings around it? Just injecting things into its brain to accelerate its evolution. Yeah. Wow.

Maybe or maybe it's just the mushrooms. Maybe they just shoot some spores down here. Maybe it's way easier than we think. Right. You just get the spores here, the monkeys eat the spores, they start thinking, they start changing the way they look at things, they start becoming more creative, they develop language. Yeah.

They develop a way to contextualize sounds so they can communicate. Yeah. And then they start making more sophisticated tools. They keep eating mushrooms. They develop communities They become like these like these tight-knit tribes of people read each other's minds every day While they're fighting off cats trying to not get eaten by cats yeah That's huge probably what's what was going on man, and then it became Whatever the fuck they were when they lived in the Amazon when those millions of people lived down the Amazon with super sophisticated civilizations Sunlight plus gold equals steaming water. No boiling needed Wow Wow

Make gold particles small enough so they could become black. Do you think you could propel something off of that? Whoa. Wow. Or it could be something as a useful element in one of those bizarre, you know, those generators that Bob Lazar talked about. If that thing is real, and I don't know if it's real, but when Michio Kaku comes on my podcast and talks about the physics behind the evidence that we know and how it just defies all of our known understanding of what's possible with propulsion systems, we have to take it serious. That guy, Michio Kaku is like super serious. I brought mushrooms on a podcast, brought it up on a podcast once. It wasn't a podcast. It

was a radio show on Opie and Anthony. I said something like, have you ever tried mushrooms? And he's like, I'm trying to make my mind work better. I'm not trying to poison it. Like it was one of those takes. So he's like, my point is like, he's not a guy who just believes in ghosts out of nowhere. Right. Like he's a guy who's like studying hardcore evidence. Yeah.

When he starts talking about evidence of propulsion systems that defy our known understanding of physics, when he starts saying shit like that, you go, okay, it's time to take this seriously. Yes. Yes. This is like a super scientist. This isn't me or you. This isn't Eddie Bravo or Red Band. Dude, nothing makes me feel more dumb than his books.

I write around and listen to his audio books, and I just feel just feel like man you should not have huffed butane in high school because like i don't understand it's so hard to to process like that stuff is like the the kind of math that people like him are doing yeah is so bizarre and so like impossible to wrap your head around that when people like that say yeah oh yeah it this could be or when he starts talking about methods of like moving through alternate dimensions or what it would look like yeah if like a fifth dimensional thing like intersected here you'd it's it's mind-blowing but even more mind-blowing is like the possibility of a multiverse that they point to that's the that's what gives me the goose bumps is that in theory as it's called apparently there's

some evidence that it could work like that that this isn't the only universe that we're in that there's so many. Yeah, they think there could be an infinite number of universe Yeah, which is bizarre bizarre Bizarre and why do we why is it like more? Comforting to think there's only one why if the universe is infinite Yeah, why on earth would it be more comfortable to think of only one infinite universe? Like it doesn't even make any sense. Like, just that one itself is so crazy.

So big. So the idea that it's so big, it's so crazy, it's so enormous that you'll never, you can't even comprehend what it means. Right. Even if they could just follow, I think, was it Neil deGrasse Tyson? I forget who was explaining this to me, but they don't, they can't see past 13.7 billion years ago.

Right. They just can't. Like, no matter what they do or what they try what's kind of they don't have the ability to but it could be forever and ever and ever and ever it could be like no end to this thing it could be this constant series of compressions and expansions yeah it goes infinitely, forever and ever and ever. But that's somehow or another okay if there's only one of them. Just one. Okay? I feel comfortable in a one-universe universe.

I'm good. I like to stay in my neighborhood. I don't want these interdimensional motherfuckers coming in here and taking my parking spots. You know? Yeah, man. parking spots if we get visited by something that can get here and just hang out with us and and and avoid detection and move fast in the speed of light and if that's if that's here right now like imagine how hard it would be for people to accept that if that was proved. It's here. It's here, man.

That's that AI. That's Lambda. I'm sorry. I'm obsessed with it. But Blake Lemoine, when he was on my podcast, he said that NASA apparently reached out to Google about this thing because it's like hey this is a you know just because it didn't come from space like because it is appearing inside a computer it's like a result of this network it's still an alien that's what he was saying is this mind is different it's a completely different mind but it

seems to be self-aware so I think it's here I think many times do we have to see in nature these instances of a parasite consuming a host taking it over making it do its bit and enforcing into suicide right like those aquatic worms you ever see those aquatic worms to get inside of grasshoppers yeah they force the grasshopper into jumping into the water and drown. Yeah. They're in his brain. You ever see like they're moving around inside like a frog's eyeballs? It's the fucking worst.

They're wild. Yeah, they're wild. But what they're doing is they're forcing an organism to do something that it doesn't want to do, which would lead to its own demise. Yeah. And we look at it, well, that must be an inferior organism. That grasshopper, you know, they should have saw it coming. Should have developed antibiotics.

Right. Right? But maybe if you play that out, if that's like a microcosm of reality and you play that out, as far out as you get, you get us and technology. Maybe that's it. Maybe we don't realize that we're making technology. Right. And that technology is a life form.

Yeah. Maybe we think of it as, as oh just making my cocoon i've always been a good caterpillar and all good caterpillars make a cocoon yeah you don't even know why you're doing it right that's it that's it we don't know what we're doing we're just making it we're giving birth and now the baby's starting to talk you know that marshall mccluhan quote human beings are the sex organs of the machine yeah yeah great quote what a great quote great quote but dude yeah this is to me like this what's happening with lambda it's the it's it's our electricity i my friend he uh hooked me up with this discord server where

i don't know how much i can talk about it but it about it, but it's got one of those text to art AI. So you tell the thing, you know, draw, you know, my kid likes Blippi. So it's like draw Blippi in a fight with a clown playing poker with Jeffrey Epstein or whatever. That was for my my kid I don't know but anything that you want to say it'll do in it does it quick it's like and then it's just there is it perfect no but it's within seconds you tell a thing to make a work of art and it man it looks good this isn't like some shitty it's way better than anything I could draw.

And you could say in the style of. So it's not just draw the thing. It's like in the style of Monet. Can you do Bill Clinton wearing a dress, riding Jeffrey Epstein like a surfboard in the style of Monet? And it will do it. And then there it is. How much time? Seconds. Maybe like 30 seconds or a minute.

Boom. It's just there. We're fucked. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Because next step is, you know, obviously it's not going to be a still picture. It'll be animated. Now we're going to have animated clips. Then it's going to be deep fake it. It won't even be animated. It'll gonna have animated clips then it's gonna be deep fake it

it won't even be animated it'll just be anything you could think of you know that's when porn gets cool though right it's like no more celebrities become porn stars yes yes and you don't have to search anymore for the kind of porn you like you just tell it to make the porn there on the spot and it'll appear and then it's going into the metaverse. It'll be in 3D space, you know. So you're going to be yelling out commands like on the holodeck or whatever. You know what I mean? Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Did you see that new article about there was a study about AI having the ability to predict crime? Yeah, dude. It was like a very high accuracy rate? Yeah. How can we justify just letting people go out there without the aid of this AI when we know that it has a 95% efficacy rate? Do you know that the human soldier, the human police officer, at their very best, does not

quite approach 90%? Yeah, right. This is going to be better than anything. Yeah, man. We approach 90% Yeah, right. This is gonna be better than anything Yeah, man, that's it will stop all the violence. There will be no more crime Do you imagine if we allow those motherfuckers like? Find that story that story reads like the beginning of that fucking minority report Yeah, AI algorithm predicts future crimes one week in advance with 90% accuracy. What the fuck, man?

We're in trouble. I love the picture they picked for it. Yeah, it's like a dude with a hood on with no face with his hands on the minority. It's the Grim Reaper. Yeah, it's like the digital Grim Reaper. Yeah, that's so crazy, man. God, what the fuck is this? Yeah, it's crazy. In a separate model, the team of researchers also studied the police response to crime

by analyzing the number of arrests following incidents and comparing those rates among neighborhoods with different socioeconomic status. They saw the crime in the wealthier areas resulted in more arrests, while arrests in disadvantaged neighborhoods dropped. Crime in poor neighborhoods didn't lead to more arrests, however, suggesting bias in police response and enforcement. They're going to turn this into an algorithm. That's what it is.

They've got us to accept algorithms already on our social media sites. With shit like this, like AI crime prediction, they're going to turn this into an algorithm. You're just a number. Duncan, you're a 96, and 96s always go crazy in crazy in march so you just have to stay home fuck okay you're a 96 i trust you you're 96 okay i'm a 92 it's a lower risk yeah you'll be fine there's a big jump after 94 yeah everybody just lets you go if you're only like 92 which me it's like i'm normal i'm like i'm always gonna go show up at work yeah yeah yeah okay yeah i need two yeah you're dating an 84. really they're don't don't no 84 is better the higher the number in my little thing and your thing it is yeah the number is more

toxicity oh oh i see you're doing the toxicity number scale. Yeah, how much are you likely to fuck up society? What's the number? You gave me 96? Yeah, out of like 1,000. Okay. Not out of, you know, it's like a one out of 100. These are the arguments people would get in.

But yeah, man, I, like, what? What? Why would you do that to me? Well, you do drugs, first of all. Let's be real. We're on this podcast. Maybe we should just come out with this. That I do drugs?

You like drugs. If someone said something. Hey, it's a real fucking problem, man. You and these psychedelic drugs. Yeah. What are you trying to do? Talk to the Anunnaki. Bring him back.

Get him here sooner. Imagine if this is like an intervention. And I'll say, Duncan, I need to talk to you about your drug use. Red band walks out. It's ruining your life, Duncan. You are constantly entering other dimensions, but you're not doing your best here. Honestly, I got kids. I'm really not doing that now man you can't be on I can't be like no commit to six hour eight hour

trips when I've got two like toddlers rampaging through the house yeah I can't you know the government organized it that way to like squash rebellion make people shack up get families it's the government's fault keep you away and that's how they made it illegal we need to take these damn drugs away we can't have parents out there just fucking doing drugs not watching their kids kids are licking forks and sticking in the electrical sockets yeah good call let's make a law yeah good call save the children save the children from lsd yeah it's bullshit it's like parents can't go out on vacation you know it's it's but yeah but yeah you know man i yeah having kids is uh it's definitely uh it's helped me a lot you know you can't fuck off as much when you got kids not nearly not nearly but

also you don't have to put yourself in some kind of hell prison it's just i think it's you know when i before I had kids, my friends with kids would always be like, oh yeah, we go, we get an Airbnb or something if we're going to go do that. And I don't, I would always think like, oh, poor you. Like you got to get away from your house to get high. Like I've been high every day. I don't have to do that.

But now I kind of like it. You know, I like the creating that separation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a thing where it's like, it's real interesting. It's like, what are you trying to do when you do get high? Like, what are you trying to do? That's a good question.

Are you trying to, like, go to another place and sort things out and figure out what's wrong with you? Or are you trying to enjoy this more? Yeah. Some of my favorite drugs are enjoy this more drugs. That's why I like whiskey. Same. Whiskey is a let's enjoy this more drug. Yeah.

And marijuana is a let's enjoy this drug more, this life, this moment more drug. more this this life this moment more drug yeah man i you know to me though i love that psychedelics are becoming legal psilocybin like people are talking about it so beneficial in the way they should be talking about it now but i think because of the necessity of like equate like pointing out the therapeutic uses of these things, this culture of healing has appeared, which is that, you know what I mean? Where,

where, where, where instead of like, you know, everyone's like taking the thing to get better, to heal, to fix, to improve,

to advance, to evolve. It's capitalism has weirdly merged with psychedelics because it used the ideas i'm taking psychedelics because i like the way i feel when i'm high you know what i mean not like not like oh i've got to get in there and like reconfigure a broken gear in my mind and not that is again again, it is therapeutic. And with clinical therapy and psychedelics, the research is showing, like, incredible results. So I just want to be very clear. I am not dismissing that.

And I know people who have, like, cured their PTSD or treated their PTSD, their trauma. I'm just saying also in the conversation there needs to be these. It is so fun to fuck on mushrooms what about that you know what about just like the the hedonism and the the uh the poetic use of them you know what i mean just to like experience your incarnation and how beautiful the universe is you know as a byproduct that's going to be healing yeah you know but as a byproduct, that's going to be healing. Yeah. You know, but as a goal, in other words, like if I'm going to take these things and the goal is, all right, here we go. I'm going to confront the great demon of myself. That's going to be a weird trip.

It's also you're kind of summoning that demon. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Some people just don't feel good unless they're in conflict and resolution. Yeah. They need conflict and resolution.

It's a really, it's a thing. It's like. Yeah, man. It's not just that the universe throws you curve balls because it most certainly does. We all have had things happen to us most certainly that we did. It's not our fault. that we did it's not our fault but there's also people that seem to not just attract but they they seem to pursue conflict and resolution yeah that's right man it gives them a sense of form instead of like and oftentimes those people are not doing as well in the rest of their life as they should be

like maybe there's like a potential not reached, you know, maybe there's like something about them. They can never lose that 20 pounds. There's always something about them. Right. And then instead of like dealing with that, they choose to sidetrack themselves with a conflict. Oh yeah. That's conflict. And you know, that guy that like all of a sudden starts doing drugs and you're like, Hey man, I thought you didn't do drugs anymore. I don't. I mean, I'm going to stop. But now I'm back on it for a little bit. Yeah.

Like, okay. It's like, why is that guy doing that? Right. If you talk to guys like Gabor Monte, they all say trauma. There's something. There's something you're avoiding, right? So, like, also, I think people are scared of reaching their full potential. So sometimes, sometimes when people are scared of the expectations of their full potential,

they want to derail themselves. Right. So that it relieves some pressure. Sure. And so they just start smoking crack. Yeah. Fear of death, man. You don't want to die.

You have, because of whatever your, the roll of the dice was, you've had a rotten life. And not you, but some people have had it really bad. And from that, a certain personality emerges, the survivor, whatever it may be. Should I shift universes and no longer be in this place? Should I get better, heal, whatever you want to call it? Then this thing that I am right now, all freaked out, neurotic, scared, paranoid, angry, as painful as that is, it's me. And should I really wake up and drop all that stuff? It's a form of death, right? So just what you're saying. all that stuff it's a form of death right so just what you're saying so instead of dying they do this weird sad attempt it like immortalizing their neurosis by creating self-imposed fucking traps and yeah tricks it's ignorance in buddhism is called ignorance it's one of the

root poisons like what causes suffering is aversion desire ignorance these are the three roots of the whole problem and ignorance is what you're talking about actively ignoring actively ignoring what's right there in front of you avoiding yeah avoiding exactly avoiding it and you avoid it oftentimes. Oh, I started drinking again. Shit. Smoking cigarettes again. Shit. Yep. You know? That's a lot of times what it is.

You're avoiding. It's like getting better at stuff and getting better at life, getting improving upon. Everybody wants to think they're improving. No one wants to think they're falling apart. Right. Right? And that's, there's a lot of pressure on that. Not admitting where you're at. Yeah. Just on that but not admitting where you're at yeah

just where you're at's where you're at i mean that's like the first step that's the first step and by the way where you're at if you're honest about where you're at it's already a better place like you don't have to do anything you don't have to jog or or like pick up a fucking dumbbell or whatever just the first step of like oh shit my life is fucked up right now things are out of order here like just that alone anytime i've done that when i've just finally like dealt with it immediately you feel better you know immediately you feel better and then that's when you go and get a drink try some of this this is the josh barnett warmaster this is like a smoky whiskey it's called warmaster yeah it's a war bringer uh the warmaster edition this is war war twice in it i just felt like it's perfect for july 4th happy fourth happy fourth oh man yeah

that uh that fucking anunnaki shit man yeah the anunnaki stuff was absolute junk food to stoners could not put it down could not put it down could not put it down. Could not put it down. Could not put it down. I read it. I watched all these documentaries, all these interviews of Zachariah Sitchin. And then I even started going to SitchinIsWrong.com and reading the refutations and people that just didn't agree with him, what was wrong with what. It seems like there's some possible sensationalism, but maybe bias is a better word for it. But there's also some undeniable shit about these people. The people in ancient Sumer had a very bizarre understanding of the universe. If you look at the images that they had of the solar system, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild.

I mean, it's not perfect because they're fucking drawing it on clay, but they're the same relative size, roughly. I mean, it's not exact, obviously. But all the planets are in the right order. Like, here's the big one. It's all in the right order. Yeah. And the sun is clearly, it's got even rays like a sun, to let you know. This is the fucking center, and all this shit's around.

They knew that thousands of years before Galileo. Right. How do they know that? How do they know that? Well, I mean, I don't even know why we're not allowed to say it. And that's the other thing. I hate that you say it and people get mad at you. They're like, you fucking hippie idiot.

It's not ancient aliens. Humans are just really good at stuff. They get so mad. I think it's both ancient aliens. Humans are just really good at stuff. They get so mad, but you know, I think it's both. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We're teachable. Yeah. We're not just teachable. We, um, I think we're easily, uh, manipulated, right? Like if you could get the right or the wrong information to us and just give us enough time. Yeah. Let us sort it out. But I think it's both.

But I think something probably happened. It just doesn't make sense that we're so different than the other monkeys. Have you seen the new Space Force fucking logo, Joe? No. Jamie, would you mind? Just, it's exactly what we're talking about. I mean, maybe they're trolling us or something. My friend Nick Hinton sent me this.

Is it eShorts real? Which one? Go to the Wikipedia page. Space Force, there it is. Space Force unveils its new... New logo and motto. Is that it? Always above?

No, that's not it. Which one are you looking for? My friend sent me this super cool one that now maybe... Might be fake? Isn't it like freemason imagery in it? The Eye of Sauron? Hold on. I'm going to look right now.

This guy, Nick Hinton, I love him, man. He's my number one source of all conspiracy theories. What is the conspiracy theory behind the eyeball over the pyramid on the dollar bill? Space Delta 18. That's it. I think that's weed you can buy here. Delta 18. They sell that.

It's legal here. Space Delta 18 is a United States Space Force unit that serves as the National Space Intelligence Center. Oh, my God. Look at that. Oh, my God. It has a Sphinx. It has like a pharaoh's head. They're trolling us, right?

Like, why would you do that? Why is that your, why are you doing a pharaoh's head? They're trolling stoners. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. That's another wild thing about the Sphinx, right? They think that head was changed way later. Way after the thing was.

They think one of the pharaohs forced them to carve his face into the lion. There was a lion at one point, Tom. Do you ever. Here's a confession sometimes i get so high that i try to astrally project into the pyramid do you ever do that oh my god i'm gonna be sparking this joint no i don't do that wouldn't you don't you want to know like but you get i get so eaten up not knowing what's in there, wanting to know so bad that you're just like, fuck it, man. Maybe there is a way.

I think that's the one place that if I could go back in time, if I wanted to go back in time and see the worst aspects of humans, I think I'd want to go back in time to the Mongol raids of the 1200s. But if I wanted to see the best aspects of, I don't know what their culture was like, but at least technological capability, I would go back to the time when the pyramids were constructed, just to see what level of sophistication were these people dealing with. First of all, how long ago was it really? Because they're not totally sure. There's some rough understanding of that civilization, but there's a lot of debate. Right. Like when Dr. Shock from Boston University, the geologist, developed this theory about

those fissures that are in the wall in the Temple of the Sphinx. He's like, this is water erosion. Yeah. It's from thousands of years of rainfall. Yeah. That fucks the whole story up of the timeline. Yep. I know.

But it's like real physical evidence. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Why don't they want to admit it? I'm scared to light this joint with this wig on. You know, I thought about it in the beginning. If it catches on fire, that's a bucket of water.

Will you throw it in my head? Yes, I will for sure. You know this irony of this suit? What? For sure it's made in China. Right? I helped China by buying this suit. I'm fucking patriotic, bro.

Yeah, it's covered in probably nanobots that have already gotten into your DNA. Thank you. It's already tapped into my cell phone. Yeah, man. Knows my Amazon password. Hey, did you see that kid? Did you see that thing that popped up on Reddit? That kid, they dared him to eat a slug

Oh yeah And he got paralyzed It was in Australia right Yeah Yeah Fuck That's so bad Kids just don't

They don't fucking know man They don't know I would have done it I could see myself doing that Yeah Come on Frankie will eat a slug He'll eat anything

He'll eat anything You remember that That life commercial For that cereal? Yeah. Mikey won't eat it. He hates everything. Yeah.

Mikey likes it. Yeah. Everybody ate it. Yeah. The little picky Mikey. Yeah. Mikey likes it. He hates everything.

Yeah, but then there was always that dude that would just eat anything, you know? Like, that was on Opie and Anthony. That was that Pat Duffy kid that let Pat from Woonake throw up in his mouth. You never saw that? Oh, boy. I believe it was me, Ari, Bill Burr, a few other people, Opie, Anthony, Jim Norton. There's quite a few people there in the room. The room was huge.

They laid down plastic all over the floor of the room. And they had a bucket and they had a eggnog eating contest when I tell you that this is right out of Stand By Me I mean Stand By Me was comically ridiculous the amount of projectile vomiting that kid was doing after a blueberry pie eating contest this this fucks that up this this is real. Wait, wait. Not only that, but he did it in this kid Pat Duffy's mouth. They were-

He threw up in a kid's mouth. They were all- Who threw up? It was one person or- Pat from Unaki was a diabetic- Oh, man. Who was in the middle of an eggnog eating contest, right? He gets to the top.

He's had like 78 shots of eggnog, something ridiculous like that. And then I said said what if somebody laid their head over the garbage can and he threw up in their mouth i never thought this is my idea i was hosting fear factor at the time and i was thinking so i was i said it in this kid pat duffy who had previously brushed his teeth with cat shit oh man. Definitely has toxoplasmosis. He's fucking 100% got that. He's crazy. So he let Pat from Munaki throw up in his fucking mouth.

And it is the wildest thing. I think Bill Burr named it the baby bird. Look, he opened his mouth, dude. He opened his mouth. That guy, if you ever waterboarded him, he's not telling any secrets. He should have been a seal. Look at this. He should have been a seal look at this He should have been a seal look at him the kid

The volume it's not over dude. No look it gets worse. It gets way worse. It gets way worse That's the one again I think he's got one. That's the one. And then yes, and again. And again. I think he's got one more in him. No way did I... AHHHHH! That kid Pat Duffy, he should have been the guy who killed Bin Laden. They should have sent him out...

Oh Jesus. Oh Jesus. Oh, Jesus. How much eggnog is that? I'm telling you, man. He had like quarts of it. That's it. He's done. Oh, wow.

That was one of the things that I missed about those radio shows. That was the one thing that I missed about morning radio shows. Back in the day before the internet was like really, really affected the way things were done. Yeah. You could get away with so much more. There was so much more wild shit that could be done on the radio. Right. And it was like part of the fun is like, what the fuck are they doing?

Right. But clearly like both men involved knew what they were doing. Just like, you know, we allow bungee jumping. Right. We allow- No problem. A lot of you know, we allow bungee jumping. Right. We allow a lot of, like, crazy things. Wingsuit flying. Yeah. My friend Andy held the world record.

For wingsuit flying? Yeah, my friend Andy Stumpf. Navy SEAL. Crazy person. How do you? Brazilian jiu-jitsu addict. Bow hunter. And he held the world record for the longest flight on one of those suits.

I think they dropped him off out of a plane. Wow. He was at 18.257 miles. That's how far he went. How many miles per hour are you going on one of those things? That's a good question. It says, Andy Stumpf, a retired Navy SEAL, broke the standing world record for absolute distance flown in a wingsuit covering 18.257 miles and falling 36,500 feet. Yeah, that's amazing.

Look at this. This is how crazy my friend Andy is. It was a hell of an accomplishment considering he volunteered for the undertaking having never once put on a wingsuit in his life. What? Yeah. He's just like,

I'll figure it out. You get him and Pat Duffy together, you take over the fucking world. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah, I feel you. That's America.

But that is, so he's literally just like, oh, you know, I'll probably like, when I'm up there, I'll just figure out these things. I'll teach myself. I don't know. I'm sure he figured it out.

Sure. He took lessons. He's going 140 fucking miles an hour. Holy shit. Wow. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Yeah, man.

That's the kind of shit that's like when I'm thinking about the things I'm proud of that I've done for the last few weeks. You know what I mean? He's crazy, though. That's a crazy thing to do with your time. Well, yeah. I mean, he's definitely like completely okay with dying. Like he's not afraid of dying at all. I mean, I think everybody's afraid of it, but he's willing to take chances.

He just doesn't. I mean, I'm not saying he's self-destructive. People like that have gotten to the point where they're like, well, yeah. So when every reporter asks Alex Honnold, aren't you afraid you're going to die? And at this point, there's this sad pause before he answers the question but he's just like so level-headed about it you know like i know but he's so level-headed about the craziest fucking thing a person can do the one thing that freaks you out more than anything is the idea of you climbing a fucking mountain yeah no rope. No rope. And if you get stuck, there's no one that can help you.

You're a thousand feet up the face of a rock with a bag of chalk. Yeah. The fuck, dude. What the fuckity fuck. Look at that picture of him. What the fuckity fuck, man. Yeah. That's insane.

You have to be a very specific body type, too, by the way. Really? That guy has, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't be a big guy that's too much weight. That guy has very strong hands. When you shake his hands, his hands feel like his fingers are like double thick fingers. You know, you have like double thick Oreo stuffing? Yeah.

That's like his fingers. He has like double thick fingers. His fingers have like double thick Oreo stuffing. Yeah. It's like his fingers. He has like double thick fingers. His fingers have like crazy muscles on them. Have you ever heard the theory that there's a time and a place where you're going to die? It's destiny. There's no way to avoid it. It's just the way it is. Meaning that you can't die until that point arrives.

So the risk takers, it's like they've figured that out. They know that like they're not going to die yet. So they're able to do all that shit fearlessly. You ever heard that before? That there's like a, it's like written in the fabric of the universe. Right, but that's easy to prove and disprove at the same time. Sure. If you just back engineer it.

Like, of course, when you die, you were destined to die, stupid. That's how you were living your life. You're overthinking shit. How dare you? No. How dare you? Everybody who gets to that conclusion is already dead. They're like, oh, it was destiny.

Yeah, it was definitely destiny if you did those things. Here's the thing. Here's the Sam Harris question. Are you doing those things because Here's the thing. Here's the Sam Harris question. Are you doing those things because of free will or are you doing those things because all the life experiences, everything that has happened

to you and you've seen and you are and you've given to the world, it brings you to this moment in time and it's unavoidable and shit is just going to go down. And your thoughts and your opinions on things are all like under the capture of all these other influences yeah no free will no you're like an equation yes that's gotten into like a room where someone's fucking puking eggnog into

your mouth and there's nothing you could have done about it you You're just a series of, like, just the way data expresses itself in time is like that. Yeah, man. I mean, that, I think what's useful about thinking in that way is it hopefully, like, helps you loosen up about your identity a little bit, you know? That's a problem with people. Yeah. Identities are a weird thing. You just decide you're a thing, you know? Well, I'm a with people. Yeah. Identities are a weird thing. You just decide you're a thing.

You know, well, I'm a fucking cowboy. And then you're a cowboy. You decide, you know, I'm a liberal from New York, and my perspective is always clear. I'm blue no matter who. No matter what. Duncan, the alternative is Nazis. And, you know, you could be that guy. Right.

There's so many people you can be and so many combinations of people you can be. It's so attractive because you can find little groups of people who agree with you. Right. You all meet and you're the young Republican Party. And you get together and you talk shit about the Democrats. And you talk about, you know, when does life actually, when is conception? Is it at conception? Is that life?

You have debates. You have conversations on how to frame it. How do we frame it to the lips? Get them to understand. Yeah. Liberal tear time. This fucking Roe versus Wade thing freaks me out. Yeah.

It freaks me out. For so many reasons. First of all, because how many women need to get abortions because of the health of the child? So many. How many people need to get abortions because their child was raped? My. How many times? I was reading a story about like a 10 year old.

It just happened. My friend had to get a little bit of placenta removed after a pregnancy. And the drugs they use to get it out, like the stuff she had to take, those could put her on a list, apparently. The problem is all these completely legitimate reasons for getting an abortion. Not just that, just basic stuff like stuff that has not you don't even have a baby in you anymore just you know some of these drugs are going to be harder to get in certain places apparently and yeah man it's like you know it's wild to see how quickly rights like human rights can just go bye-bye like that in a second it's just done

we never thought we were going to lose there's certain ways that we looked at the world we're like well we've passed that the government's control over us is not nearly what it was in the 80s or the 90s we've moved past that and then all of a sudden

especially during the pandemic it's almost like while you were sleeping they were just like gaining ground yeah dude it's a long-term plan i you know it seems like even if it wasn't even if it wasn't a long-term plan even if there wasn't some grand scheme to try to enslave people back to the old way yeah they're doing exactly what you would do if that was true so how are they even different by definition well that's what so well you know man that in this book about I'm sorry to go back to it in the book about the American Revolution they were talking about how careful in the early days of the revolution you had to be

like the you had to be like completely underground to to even like get the thing going so what you're talking about here is weirdly above ground and underground it's above ground in the sense like you have these mega churches that are taxes exempt who are paying for lobbyists in dc and those lobbyists are the ones who are like who've been working on getting rid of Roe v Wade but it's not just that it doesn't end there is it lobbyists is that what what was the the decision to to change it to change Roe v Wade yes what was it I started reading it because I because I was um you know people were saying look just read the fucking thing and then see if it's logical, you know. And so basically the argument was, and I'm sorry, everybody, I'm dressed like a founding father. I'm drinking whiskey.

So obviously this will not be a perfect articulation of the reasoning. But the reasoning was that Roe v. Wade is when you're in the Supreme Court, if something is not for sure constitutional, then you use precedent. Is this part of American tradition? Is this like woven into the fabric of America? And if so, then, you know, it gets enshrined as a law or whatever. So his argument was abortion 50 years ago was legal illegal in almost all the states and so because of that there isn't a precedent and it's not constitutional therefore these two things mean that roe v wade isn't like an overreach from by the federal government to take away states rights i think that's the argument but uh you know the uh the the to me, like the problem in it is the and, you know, as a former judge and someone who went to law school, the problem in the legal reasoning of like this guy has been on the Supreme Court.

yeah but sometimes culture happens fast sometimes things get woven into the tradition of a country not over hundreds of years but 10 years 20 years 50 years and obviously a woman's right over her body is uh it doesn't matter if like 100 years ago or 200 years ago that wasn't in there it's just the way it's like this is a half the human fucking population You know and they it's their it's their body. Yeah, and some of them You can't force them to do that and here's the other thing. It's like when when they when they talk about this like when these laws and these ideas were first instituted You couldn't have an abortion like you could have today right like abortions today are probably way safer than they were a hundred years ago yeah so if we're basing what

it means to have an abortion a hundred years ago versus now with mris the ability to like people find out that their child's not going to live sometimes while it's in the womb. It's a horrible, tragic thing, but it does occasionally rarely happen, right? Like what are you supposed to tell that person to do? Like if you know that there's something wrong with the feet, it's never going to develop. It's done. It's fucked. You can't have an abortion.

You're telling someone that gets raped They can't have an abortion like to say to the people that we get to decide what you do with your body That's where shit gets really right early. That's right, and the problem with abortion is that this is the Weirdest one of all because it's really about the creation of life out of all the decisions we make about every other thing we do Whether it's gender pronouns or the environment or whether you eat meat or any the abortion one's the wildest because you're literally talking about a potential human being just like you entering into the world yeah and that's why it troubles us so much when people have varied opinions on it sure we want you

to be a hardcore supporter or a hardcore anti that's it we don't we don't have a whole lot of room for gray area and the abortion debate and because of things like this where they they get rid of Roe v Wade it's gonna be even more like the antagonistic against the two sides. That's it. Yeah. It fucks everything up, man.

It's like, it just, it amplifies this, like what they're calling it. It creates this kind of weird, uh, medical balkanization. Everyone loves to say that right now, but that's what they're doing.

It's like to force somebody to go have the worst day of their life in another state because their state that they're in won't let them do it is just it's just so fucking sad to imagine somebody who like already might maybe they can't afford the procedure having to figure out a way to like get a plane ticket fly to california or fly to one of the states that they're letting them do it. The whole thing is just so sinister, man. And it it's just the beginning. I mean, this is like, well, like the Democrats and the blues have been arguing over this and that and at each other's fucking throats and all disorganized and chaotic.

The fucking Christian right. and throats and all disorganized and chaotic the fucking christian right they're just one unified front with a set of ideas that they want put into law and ideas that they think that are in law that shouldn't be anymore and they're they're fucking organized they have all the money they don't pay taxes and they're going to keep going they're not gonna stop they don't pay taxes don't pay taxes these mega and by the way i am not like part of what's cool about the united states you get to be that way that's your religion that's what you believe the way you interpret the bible tells you this is what god wants and you believe that with all your heart and so because you believe that you have no fucking choice but to do those things to

organize to become the uh the the hand of god in the world making things right again you have to do that you're a fundamentalist right-wing christian and you don't do that, then guess what's going to happen? Your God's going to throw you in a fucking torture chamber forever. So you got to move. You got to get rid of Roe v. Wade because you don't want to like be incinerated by this like Jehovah being. This is what they're doing. And they are not stopping, man. They are not stopping. They want a theocracy. They would like a theocracy, many of them, I think. They do feel like this is the era of the Antichrist. We live in the time of the beast, and you've got to push back.

You've got to push back the Antichrist. And if you want to claim the high ground, what better high ground than a child's life? That's the high ground than a child's life that's that's the high ground if you want to claim like if you want to like fortify a culture war yeah it seems to always exist yeah it seems to always be a conservative versus liberal this versus that a North versus South there's there's always something there's always some fucking thing but if you think you're on the side of the babies you're gonna the babies alive yeah you're a the side of the babies. You're going to. Side of the babies life.

Yeah. You're saving babies. But on the other side of it. Yeah. As much as you are 100% pro-choice for a woman's right to choose, at what point in time does it get crazy? You mean like. During the pregnancy. How get crazy? You mean like? During the pregnancy. How many months?

You're asking me? Who could answer that? What's the number? Not fucking me. Right. But what's the number? I'm not going to say. Exactly.

I have no idea. Because we're terrified of both sides. We're terrified of one side that thinks you should be able to kill a kid at six months. And the other side that says you should never be able to kill a kid. But I think you can say and I think you are allowed to say

dudes, like us, don't need to be making rules about what women do with their bodies. I think you're allowed to say that. You could say that. Yes. So you could say how, you know, I don't know the answer to it.

Thank God we don't have that kind of power. Thank God. Thank you, God. We're podcasters. We're not on the Supreme Court. We don't have to worry about this shit. It's so great, man. But yeah, I mean, like it for me, it always it's got to go back to personal liberty and autonomy over your own fucking body.

Exactly. Because when the state gets involved in what you could do with your body, whatever it may be, whatever their argument may be, whether it's an abortion or whether you feel like putting a human fist modeled after Mike Tyson's fist in your asshole. Whatever it may be, the state doesn't need to tell you you can't do that. And that's where you get into sodomy laws. That's where you get into like, you can't do that. This is, you know, the idea with your body, this is your sovereign universe. You can get nipple rings. You can get your balls inflated.

You ever seen those people who like inflate? They pump saline in their balls. You can let them turn your balls into some awful beach ball. It's a fucking water balloon. It's like, have you ever seen a water boxing bag? Yes. It's like a teardrop bag and it's filled with water and you punch it. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what their balls are like. Their balls look like. And you're allowed're a laugh for it is it a good idea thumbs up yeah go for it for you yes for me i didn't believe i for the person that's listening that wants to do it i would do it man but yeah i would wouldn't you do it if you knew you'd be fine when you want to see your balls all like big and what if somebody broke into your house right when your balls were as big as softballs? And you couldn't even run away? That was what got you. He's like, get the fuck out of the house.

I'm robbing it. And you're like, I can't. My balls are too big. So you get shot because your balls are too big. You're pulling yourself. I could have just run away. I don't want to show you. I literally, I'll show you my balls.

You fucking freak. You're trying to. I could have just run away. I don't want to show you. I literally, I'll show you my balls. You fucking freak. You're trying to pull your balls out. He's like, put your fucking balls back in your pants. Best episode of Dateline ever. They come to his house. He's dead. He's been shot naked. Giant inflated balls.

How many guys that have been killed, or died rather I should say, by accidental suicide through autoerotic asphyxiation, when they have a vibrator up their ass and they're wearing a fucking wetsuit and they're hanging, how many of those guys were just killed? What percentage? A lot. Half. How many of them work for the fucking Clintons? There's your answer. Man, that Clinton, the last...

Who the last guy? Wow. They're not even trying to make it secret. It's so crazy. It's like you saying there's a clinton body count makes you a conspiracy theorist like there's how many but like you know it's just a lot of coincidences duncan you're not supposed to know that many people who've committed suicide like you know what i mean like if i knew like if 30 people that used to work for me it committed suicide and i didn't have something

to do with it like I would start going crazy. I would shut down my business. I'd be like, you know, I don't know if it's me or it's something about me, but everyone who works for me, lots of people work for me, they kill themselves. So I'm not doing it anymore. I'm going to like get a little apartment, you know, just like, just ride out the rest of my life. I'm going to get a cabin and start writing books, write books, whatever.

Just no, I don't want just no I don't want any more people to die. But yeah that body count thing is really like What's the number? I don't know. I think it's. What's it up to Jamie? Supposedly 39? 39 I think

39 people that you've worked with have like died like in the gym. They have these accidents. Imagine if Putin's body count is only like 20. Like it's way higher? Yeah. What is this?

So Mark Middleton, dead at 59. Clinton's special advisor who let Epstein into the White House seven times dies. This is a Sun report. Oh, the Sun. Of course. I'm reading how it's... So scroll up a Sun report. Oh, the Sun. Of course. I'm reading how it's... For clarity. So scroll up a little bit.

What's the Sun? It's like, you know, a lot of celebrity news and a lot of salacious news, right? Yeah. It's a little bit fun. It's like a fun newspaper. So sad. Like, oh, fun stories. Wait, what are they saying?

It doesn't show the weird parts about it. Just find the one where it shows, find the article about his suicide. He hung himself with an extension cord and shot himself in the chest with a shotgun. Simultaneously, yeah. Like, yo. I mean, this one is family of Bill Clinton advisor who admitted Jeffrey Epstein into White House seven times has blocked release of files detailing the death scene after he was found hanging from a tree with a shotgun blast at a ranch 30 miles from his home.

Kids. Kids. Monsters are real. Okay. Here's the problem with conspiracy theories. There's so many people that are willing to jump on so many of them. Yeah. So many dumb ones that it muddies the water and it makes the word a pejorative.

Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. Like, you don't think that some people occasionally conspire? You don't think that some people occasionally conspire? Like, are we in denial of one of the most basic aspects of greedy people? Sure. To conspire? People with power that control? No, they stopped.

Giant swaths of the globe? They don't do anymore. They stopped. A long time ago, they used to. A long time ago. That was a long time ago. Wealthy people, you know, royal courts, royalty, kings or whatever. Yeah, it was intrigue and they would poison people and kill them. But they stopped because wealthy people, you know, they've learned how to be kinder and nicer.

The pharmaceutical company said they're sorry and they paid the money. Yeah, everything's fine now. No, it changed. The world changed. It used to be like that. Yeah, the world's beautiful now. It's perfect. The world changed. It used to be like that. Yeah, the world's beautiful now. It's fine. No one would ever do that.

No one would resort to that kind of murdering thing. Like, nobody would. I mean, our armies do it, but aside from our armies, no people who are in charge of the armies would do it when they're off work. Hmm. Totally fine. Fine. Seems normal to me. It doesn't seem like anyone's in control of us

it seems like we're definitely operating on our own free will and we're all like reasonably educated yeah and as to the facts in hand yeah and what the influence is i trust science you have to otherwise you're a fucking idiot yeah right do the right i do my right Yes! Yes! Do I say yeah, right? No, I know. That's the problem. The problem is whenever there's an opportunity where you believe something and it's a righteous thing and someone doesn't, that's where religious killings come from. It's kind of the same

thing. Right? Trust the fucking science. Right? Yes. Right? Yes. Yes. Right? Yes. Yes. What if scientists disagree? What the fuck, bro? What are you, a conspiracy theorist? Are you trying to get people killed? Are you trying to get people killed? You're trying to get people killed.

What are you going to do? Why are you doing that with your mouthpiece? Why are you getting people killed? Now, this is bullshit. You're supposed to like, by the way, I'm sorry. I'm diverting from our improv about, I'm sorry. I fucked up. I'm so sorry.

Listen, we're both high and drunk. Dude. It's 4th of July. We're Americans. I'm so sorry. Listen, we're both high and drunk. Dude. It's Fourth of July. We're Americans. It's Fourth of July. It's like, but you read this book on the Revolutionary War and how much they valued public debate back then. Yes.

How much they valued people doing this, trying to figure it out, working it out. It was considered the heart of the new America. We just have to have an agreement. It's a real simple agreement. It's really possible to do. Here's the agreement. Always try to be nice. Always.

It sounds so stupid, but if everybody adopts that, even if you disagree with me and we have different feelings on things yeah i've had many conversations with people that i don't agree with but i can have enjoyable conversations with these people where we talk about things and i'm not attacking them and i get to understand their motives and maybe they relax a little and maybe i relax a little and we try to figure out what we believe and why we believe it instead of just fucking attacking each other. And that's possible for everybody to do. Just be as nice as you can. Especially when you're tribalizing because you fall in prey to ideologies.

We all are. I am. You are. Of course we are. We are. Yeah. Yeah. We all are. I am. You are. Of course we are. We are, yeah. Yeah, we all are. Every fucking person who's listening to this is in some way captured by ideology. We didn't choose our language.

Right. We were born with it. We were born with this culture. You literally grew up wherever the fuck you grew up. You had zero say in it. Yeah. So we all come from a place of no fucking agency as to how we're introduced into this world yeah none of it none of it is our fault none of it is our choice yeah allegedly

but you when you're like any of these people the most reviled people by one side or the other like you end up around uh i mean now that i'm in austin you know, it's like you end up around some of the most conservative people ever. So fucking nice. So cool. So sweet. They're not like banging you over the head with political anything. They're just like, welcome to the neighborhood. What can we do for you?

What do you need? So nice. You run into like the most reviled people on the left. I'm telling you, man, having been in Asheville and like had chances to hang out with him. So nice. So sweet. What's going on? How are you doing?

You know what I mean? Like when it comes down to it, when it comes down to the car accident and people pull over to help or when it comes down to like humanity. Right. All that shit goes out the window. Yes. And everyone's just mostly nice. Yes. And if they get scared, they get weird. But you know what I mean?

But in general, this is like a, dude, there's a book called Bringing the Dharma Home by this guy Jack Kornfield. But there's a story in it about, I wish I could remember the name. It's not Jane Goodall. It's an ape researcher. The one who got into the silver, the one who got into the gorillas. That wasn't Jane Goodall? No, Goodall's, I think, chimps. This was a person who researched gorillas.

Oh, oh. And other people would try to get into the gorilla, what is it, tribe? I'm not sure. But the gorillas wouldn't let them. But this guy was able to get in because he didn't bring a gun oh jesus christ right right right yeah of course yeah that's of course they know what a fucking gun is yeah and so they're like okay okay and and you know when you're like you know sitting down or about to talk to somebody and you've got your fucking

ethics gun your moral gun ready to go yeah then you're you're going to create a paranoid situation how can you expect there to be like uh acceptance of you yes because you're in there ready to fucking fight for no reason if you like go into conversations unarmed so to speak yeah it's like suddenly you're just humans again you know you're you're with the human family not like left right blue red russian chinese whatever human family how the fuck do you think the gorillas understand what a gun is probably some assholes been she likes to shoot at gorillas around there i would guess you think they've all personally seen it or do you think it's something that's passed on through the Genetics like you know how kids are afraid of monsters

They think that one of the reasons why kids are afraid of monsters is because of being hunted by cats like our ancient history in our DNA I wonder if gorillas like collectively right like what is that the Akashic records or whatever? Whatever collective yeah fucking understanding Without even having a language right yeah, they understand what the fuck a gun is yeah somehow or another Telepathically maybe just feel like you know if you're going in there with a gun you're probably Putting off some weird pheromones that you don't even know. What? Pretty confident.

Confident, but no matter what, man, if I'm getting around a bunch of fucking gorillas, I'm shitting bricks. And by the way, you think a gun is going to save you and a bunch of gorillas? Especially at night. Yeah, what's that even going to do? What if they fuck you up when it's pitch black? Do you know how goddamn dark it must be where the gorillas live at night? Yeah. There's no pitch black pitch black there's no headlights there's no street lights yeah and you're with how big are they like 500

pounds i don't know man 500 pounds i think they're more than that super beings like if a if a gorilla that's 500 pounds they could just throw you through the air through the air you you're like a frisbee a stuffed animal just throw you as high as you see how, they could just throw you through the air. Through the air. You're like a frisbee. Like a stuffed animal. Just throw you as high as you see how far they could throw you for fun. You're mushy. They just pull you apart. Mushy. Just pull you apart.

They probably think you're sick. Yeah. They think you're like some sick, oily monkey that's gotten lost. Disease. It might have been disease. Fuck, what is that thing? They don't give that to gorillas, and they become like you, and they can't survive. Gorillas are so dope, they just lay on the ground.

They go to sleep on the ground. Yeah. Lepers don't fuck with gorillas. Like, what are you going to do? Yeah. I'm just going to sleep. Yeah. They just fucking pass out.

They ground nest. Chimps nest up in the trees. Yeah. That's one of the, do you know about those, this is a really controversial one, the Bondo ape. Oh yeah, the aggro, like the. It's a giant ape, a giant chimpanzee that lives in the Congo. And it's really controversial. Clearly, I'm not qualified to talk about this.

But I've read an exorbitant amount about it. It's very strange. And apparently there's a thing where there's an area of the Congo. I think it's called Bili. And in this area, they're known to have these enormous chimpanzees. And they have bones from these things. They have, like, tissue samples. And their heads are structured different.

They have a crest on their top of their head like a gorilla does so it's like they're trying to figure out it's a hybrid what is this? some kind of hybrid it's a giant chimp that lives in this one area no thanks

and they sleep on the ground they nest on the ground that was one of the things they observed about them again I'm just telling you what I read dude they nest on the ground. That was one of the things that they observed about him. They're like, this is, again, I'm just telling you what I read. Dude, that is one of the worst deaths, is to get killed by a fucking monkey. Oh.

Because you're getting killed by, like, something, like, you're genetically supposed to, like, improve beyond, and it's just... Angry at you. Ripping your face face off grabbing your balls tearing them off it's so fucked up man like it's terrible like I can't even imagine but I've never heard of anyone getting killed by

a gorilla have you? aren't they really peaceful? they're pretty peaceful I think they're not threatened at all by us we're so small it's like a chihuahua trying to attack us like come on stop stop what are you doing? Stop that shit. But truly how- Monkeys attack people.

Monkeys attack. Monkeys kill people. Yeah, monkeys attack. Did you ever see that video, the recent one that was making its rounds? It was a guy was sitting cross-legged, and the monkey comes over and climbs on top of him, and the guy thinks it's cool, this monkey's on him. And then the monkey just bites into his head and pulls a giant, like, like a shoe sole size piece of fucking meat

off his scalp. Scalped him. Oh my God, it's horrible. Scalped him. It's horrible. Horrible. Yeah, man. They're scary as fuck.

Scary as fuck. When you're around them, they're scary. They're so scary, dude. Like, they're so fast when I was in India they I was like watching them by there was like a garbage

pile and there's all these monkeys eating garbage out of it and I have these wafers and I'm standing there and I'm reaching down to get the wafers this dude standing next to me an Indian guy he sees what I'm doing and he's like don't do that don't feed the monkeys and um but i was in college you know i'm not even i want to it's when do you ever see wild monkeys and you have like happen to have crackers you're not going

to try to feed them like you know so i just did it man and like i threw a wafer towards them all of them oh no charge me the one i threw it to grabs the whole box of wafers rips it open and then all the monkeys eat the wafers so it's just like oh really you're gonna throw me fucking what like like a bird oh no this guy oh i didn't want to see it that is, that is insane. And that's an older guy, too. Look at that poor guy. He thought it was cute to have this monkey on top of him. Hello, monkey.

Beautiful monkey. Look at how it fucking winds up, too. You notice how it winds up before it bites him in the head? Watch how it winds up. He should have been really nervous at this moment. Watch this. Watch his butt. Watch this. Oh, man this moment watch this watch his butt watch this oh man keep your eye on his butt ready see that that's a wind up dude it's like someone about to sucker punch you somebody going like this he it's like he was wait it's like some it's like his

friend was filming him exactly he was like looking over at another monkey or something and those poor kids are like oh they're God. They're smiling. They still don't realize they're watching someone get scalped. Oh, look at the fucking chunk he takes off his head. Oh my God, that's insane. Am I wrong? Is that like an 11-inch, 12-inch piece of meat? It's the, he's scalped.

And there's video of him sitting on the ground afterwards. You don't want to see it. I don't want to see afterwards. You don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. You're going to see it. We need to know that that's what animals are. I was already like. I'm looking. There's a lot of people that love animals and so do I.

But you have to understand, you love your dog. You love your cat. You know, you love your pet rabbit. No! Come on, Jamie! No! It's, Jamie! No! It's like a toupee. You know what?

It's like a merkin. Oh, my God. Look at the size of the fucking cat. Poor guy, man. That sucks. That guy's fucked. That is fucked. Skin grafts.

Yeah, whatever, dude. He's barefoot. Look. Skin grafts. He's barefoot, Duncan. He's not getting proper medical. Oh, that's horrible. How did it do that?

What kind of incredible power those fucking things have to be able to do that is that skin or bone that's skin that's just skin with the hair you know there's not a human alive that can do that you have to understand that at least he left it for him right like at least like they might have been able to attach it like he didn't eat it you know but when you're looking at a monkey doing that to a person you one of the things you have to think of is that a human being can't do that right it's not even possible it's physically impossible dude they could fuck you up people don't realize that like that fuck you up man yeah they're so strong and they're so fast and they live outside yeah i was in costa rica once and i saw a monkey and he had one hand and i was like what happened and the dude said

they bite each other's hands off sometimes i'm like jesus christ this monkey was running around we gave him oreo cookie he's waiting for ore. He opened the Oreo up and started eating the white stuff. Wow. He knew. Yeah. We were like, oh my God, he knows. He has preferences of how he eats his Oreos. This was a while ago, and I would not feed him today.

I'll just tell you right now, I'm not giving any monkeys any Oreo cookies. I don't think it's good for them. Don't feed, you shouldn't feed. What about this one, Amber? Oh, this one's horrific. This one's scary. It was an orangutan. But the guy was okay. Like, it didn't. Don't feed. You shouldn't feed. What about this one, Amber? Oh, this one's horrific. This one's scary. It was an orangutan.

But the guy was okay. Like, it didn't. Yeah. No, it didn't. They're pretty peaceful. It didn't hurt him. He got lucky. The orangutan just annoyed with him.

Yeah. Annoyed with him and just felt like holding on to him. Yeah. Because it probably doesn't want to be in there. No. It doesn't want to be in there. And it thinks, like, maybe if it holds on to you, you'll let it out with you. You know?

That's probably what it's doing. It's probably saying, hey, man, let me out you you'll let it out with you you know that's probably what it's doing it's probably saying hey man let me out with you let me out with you yeah please come on he's so lucky he could have snapped his leg easily easily could have crushed his leg the the you you don't want to resist when those things are grabbing you don't resist you can't resist it's a it's a joke do you mean? Don't resist when I get attacked by a monkey? An orangutan? Yeah. Don't resist. I'm fucking resisting.

They're probably not trying to kill you. They're not aggressive. But if they think you're a threat, then they'll try to kill you. Just understand that it's impossible. Yeah, okay. It's like you if you were in a wrestling match with your four-year-old son. You'd be like, hey, okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh my God, that's terrifying.

That's what you have to do with it. Dude, that is going to be the, what's so weird, so many people listen to this, probably someone listening will be attacked by orangutan at some point. And will think back, what was I hurt on the podcast? That is not an animal that wants to hurt you that's they're not like the you know there's some animals that are just

not known to be very very aggressive like primates are all generally kind of dangerous yeah at least a little bit they're so strong right and monkeys have a killed people and chimps have killed people yeah but orangutans are thought to be like in that group the most relaxed relaxed yeah they seem to be more relaxed than the other ones yeah i wonder if they i wonder if they eat any meat at all do orangutans eat meat baboons scare the fuck out of me baboons are scared the fuck out of me because they seem like a dog fucked a monkey that's what a baboon oh yeah yeah yeah that's like a wolf fucked a monkey that's interesting i a baboon looks like. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a wolf fucked a monkey. That's interesting. I never thought of that, man. They're different. That's

a different kind of primate. Like I think primates are really fucking fascinating, but I feel no kinship to baboons. Zero. Put it on your tombstone, Joe. I see, I see monkeys in the zoo and they're screaming and it hurts my feelings. I feel bad. Yeah. I don't feel like that's right. Yeah. I don't feel like that's necessary.

I feel like if you're going to have monkeys, you're going to have them in some enclosure where they can live in thousands of acres and they can live in the rainforest. For sure. They're supposed to live. Otherwise, you're torturing them. Man eating by orangutans. Meat eating. Oh, meat.

That's how high I am. Duncan, what have you done to me? Meat eating by orangutans is very rare. We have not observed them to hunt or eat other primates. Thus, lorises? Lorises. Lorises are the only other primates that orangutans have

observed, been observed to eat. Oh, so there's one primate. What's a loris? I think that, is that him eating one in the picture? What is it? A slow loris. It's like a sloth. It's like a sloth.

Oh, whoa. They eat those every now and then? They're so cute. It's like they're grapes. I'm going to have some lunch with a little bit of dessert. A slow loris. Have a little fucking adorable creature. They're so adorable.

Is there a video of orangutan eating a slow loris? Look right there, bro. It's filmed, yeah. Borneo orangutan filmed eating a slow loris. Oh, dude, that's rough. There is something really rough about that Attenborough documentary where chimps, they have this kind of elaborate scheme of capturing monkeys.

Hunting. And then they capture them and they're eating them alive. Hunting parties. That footage he got when you, there's one image where you see the monkey screaming and the chimp is like eating its hips off. Yeah. And it's like chewing its lower half off

while it's holding on to it. And you're like, yo, that's us. That's us. That's us. That's us. That's our people. That's our people if you go back as far as you can to the fork in the road where we all separate. That's right.

How the fuck did we get here and they're still there? Right. How the fuck? How the fuck are we that far ahead? Oh, man. Oh, it's so horrible, dude. This has been like a parade of nightmares today the way they do it and david attenborough was just like he's like he's he i don't think they really knew

that monkey that chimpanzees uh did this to monkeys what if they were just showing off for david attenborough no no no like let's freak that guy out. Oh my God, that's hilarious. Yeah, maybe. It's just the idea of a super intelligent version of a chimpanzee being next to a chimpanzee and then a super intelligent version of that being next to that and that there's this gradual progression from being something like a hair-covered primitive primate to being an alien and there's a natural course of progression right and every every fucking planet where life forms is this out goes single cell multi-cell yeah good out use your thumbs next you know make a nuclear energy boom this is Tim Leary's

circuits of consciousness this was his theory is like we that just what you said we become we go into space eventually and once you go into space it's your dna is going to change and this will lead you to the next level of humanity but for that to happen we have to go into uh zero gravity we have to go into space first and that that's that causes a shift in consciousness not just for the individuals in space but for the entire planet like planetary civilization changes whenever it's like even one member makes its way into space like because now we all know it's possible and then theoretically like when musk finally has that mars colony that's going to be the next big shift like there's no telling what early martian settlers

are gonna like turn into you know what i mean like there's no telling like and i i bet we've talked about it on the podcast now at least 40 times but it's worth bringing up again those mutating pigs right they yes they get out of the enclosure they mutate so all pigs you what happens when we get to fucking mars right and the same thing starts happening we assumed we were going to stay human but all of a sudden people are waking up with like an eye on their wrist or like you know what i mean like some some like their nipples are gone something's shifting just because that's what humans do when they're on mars on mars you change form you turn into like a caterpillar

or some like blob you know but we just didn't know that because we forgot we could even do that it used to be a thing people be like be like, don't land on Mars. Because we mutate on Mars in something embarrassing. Have you ever seen any documentaries on the Dogon people? Yeah. Yeah, their history is that, when they tell their oral history, they came from Mars. Was it Mars? I'm pretty sure.

I thought it was Sirius. Was it? It was something called sure. I thought it was Sirius. Was it? Or the dog? It was something called, wasn't it Sirius? Didn't, I think there's some part of their origin story that involves coming from Mars. Yeah. And they know quite a bit about the constellations. But here's the problem with that.

How do you know that some fucking crazy dude Due into acid Didn't go to visit them in the 40s And get them all dosed up Get them all dosed up on mushrooms Whatever was available back then And tell them about the fucking sky Tell them all kinds of shit

Like you people came from there You came from Mars And then this guy leaves This guy leaves in 1927 and it becomes a myth yeah it just carries on yeah yeah i mean that is to me the really funny thing is like if you're if if you exist 20 000 years ago and you etch some shit into a rock we take take it so seriously. Like, we look at it, and we're like, oh, you know what I mean? We're like, oh, yeah. They hunted and worshipped the buffalo, and it's like some bored guy just etching shit into a rock.

Etching what he wanted on the menu. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just putting whatever. That's what it was. I want to eat this motherfucker right here. Yeah. That's what it was. I want to eat one of these aliens if I can ever capture them.

Yeah. I mean, maybe that's what it is. Maybe the cave people. You think about how fucking barbaric people must have been 40,000 years ago when they rode on cave walls. Maybe they were like, I just like to eat a fucking alien. Maybe they weren't worshiping the aliens. Maybe it was like their menu list.

The pyramid was a trap. They knew they were attracted to pyramids they're drawn to fucking pyramids you get they like to go inside then you lock it up roast them oh my god jesus christ i would definitely like be interested in what like an alien tasted like what if they're delicious delicious? What if you eat them and you get smarter? What if that's the real problem? That's why the monkeys evolved! What if that's the real problem?

If you eat them, you get smarter. Like, every time you eat one, you're like, God, fucking nuclear power's the future, man. Yeah. Why are we wasting time with solar and coal? Yeah. No, that's so fucking... Yeah, we assume they're the predator, man. Yeah. Why are we wasting time with solar and coal? Yeah. No, that's so fucking,

yeah, we assume they're the predator, but like, we just like, we keep eating them. We love them. They're like, are you guys gonna not eat us? We'll give you

fucking new energy. Yeah. Okay, maybe. I wanna get smarter. One dude. That's why probably they have a long history with hillbillies.

Why? Well, you think about like, who's gonna fucking eat an alien? Some dude is gonna shoot it. Right. I'm gonna fucking cook him. I'm gonna barbecue his ass. Yeah.

Dude thinks he's gonna take me and touch my butt? Daddy got another alien! How many people legitimately do you think... Here's a mental exercise. Okay. While we're both intoxicated how many people do you think legitimately have experienced alien contact versus lying and faking it if you had a percentage higher percentage have actually experienced alien contact than

have lied and faked it wow i would go the Wow. I would go the other way. I would go the other way. But it's just a guess. It's just I think people get really bored and they want a story that makes them exceptional. Yeah. Like a story of seeing something. Sure. Maybe you do see something

and then you kind of inflate it in your mind and you decide that it's like oh my god we saw it go into the ocean did you really how do you maybe it just took a left turn it was a reflection off the water yeah you don't understand i don't know no man i think more people have seen them i just like what they are is the question i but i do like we've had forever people have talked about running into like the fairies the elves the gnomes and you know now we have another name for them we call them aliens but it's probably the same whatever the fuck it is that like hangs out at the fringes of what we can perceive and for whatever reason maybe lots of different reasons they like to interact with us. They like to trick us sometimes.

They probably like to fuck us. What? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You think so? Sure. Do you think that's what's going on when, you know, like women complain like their eggs get stolen?

I've never heard that. Oh, yeah. That was one of the early on UFO abduction sort of scenarios. Their eggs are gone. Yeah. They would get their eggs stolen and they would get like an alien hybrid of them that they knew was in a spaceship and they could see it. Wait, the aliens took their eggs? Yeah.

There was multiple. Now, obviously, before we go on, I just want to say I think mental illness is real. Okay. And I think sometimes people just invent stories right however. What's fascinating to me Was that there was like a genre of alien abduction and that was alien abduction and then they would take the baby Right and they would have this hybrid baby. Yes, like kept happening, but you got to think of like how much were people baby yes like kept happening but you got to think of like how much were people influenced by close encounters of the third kind yeah by all of those fucking ufo movies the day the earth stood sure right like it shaped yeah our hallucinations or something yeah it shaped our fears yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know man i mean i mean, you know, as above, so below.

We love eggs. You have had chickens. What do the chickens think is happening? In their tiny, limited sphere of awareness, when someone comes in and grabs their eggs, what do they think is happening? Their eggs are gone. The monkeys are eating the eggs. But, you know know something that was

way more advanced than us maybe it likes eggs from inside human women right and we think we're immune to that because we're at the top of the the tip of the fucking animal yeah pyramid right we think we're immune to that i think we're immune we think we're so to like we imagine our predators are all like uh you know uh visible right but dude yeah man like when it like my friend a long time ago like when an ant when you smash an ant from the ant's perception what are its friends seeing does it even or they're just like oh man carl had a heart attack. You know what I mean? Like to the ant, it doesn't even know there's humans. It can't see it. So I think there's probably things on the very edge of human awareness that are not all good. Some of them are predatory.

Some of them are parasitic. Some of them are just like generally enjoy chaos. And those things appear as all sorts of stuff. Aliens, demons, who knows what. But here's the thing. It wasn't that long ago that they didn't even know there were germs. They didn't even know that you needed to wash your hands to get germs off of you. They had no understanding of virology like we do now.

Just a few hundred years ago, right? Not long ago. Dude, I have to pee so bad. Me too. We'll come right back. I'll wait for you. Is this how we do it? We'll just pause it.

We'll pause it. We'll be right back. I gotta pee so bad. Me too. Yeah. I didn't want to see that, man. I know, but you needed to. I needed to. We'll pause it. All right, great. We'll be right back. I gotta pee so bad. Me too. Yeah. I didn't want to see that, man. I know, but you needed to. I needed to.

It woke me up. The thing about the monkey ripping the dude's head off, biting his scalp off, it's like you need to know that that's the nature of things. It's like there's this fucking constant battle of things wanting things and things taking things. Yeah. fucking constant battle of things wanting things and things taking things yeah things that that's that monkey biting that dude's head for no fucking reason that's like that's so random that's a that's an asteroid okay gliding into the earth why do you this is something you bring up why do you need to know why do you think we need to know that monkeys will rip strips of your scalp off

Because if you were ever Accidentally in a situation where you had to fly to a place where wild monkeys lived and you encountered one you could be Too subservient you might you might be submissive you might get on your knees You might give it things that it wants. And then it decides to attack you and it bites your kid's face off. Right. And you're freaking the fuck out. You have to understand what they are.

They're not in your control. They're not in anyone's control. You have to be cautious of what they're capable of. So you see something like that, you know that they are so strong, they can pull a giant hunk of a dude's head off in a second. It was like one second. It just grabbed it. It was so easy for it.

But it seems like there's something more philosophical behind it than like public service announcement, don't fuck with monkeys. It feels like when you're bringing that stuff up, there's something deeper. You feel like we're supposed to acknowledge this level of reality that is what most other species are experiencing. You know, it's the walking dead. Right.

They're experiencing combat, mortal combat every day. Every day. And somehow or another, you're able to avoid that. And as long as you make it advantageous for them, they're not going to take advantage of you and attack you and just steal your things and bite you. Right. And, you know, there's like a lot of stories of chimpanzees eating babies,

killing people's babies, baboons. God, Jesus. Baboons. There's many stories of baboons stealing people's children. What the fuck? You ever see that video of a kid kid is on like a Like a curb sitting down and a monkey comes riding on a scooter Riding up

Grabs the kid. It's like little, and tries to drag it away. And the parents have to run after it and stop this monkey from stealing their baby. The monkey's on a scooter? Genuine, Sean. Watch this. Look, look, look, look, watch. Monkey pulls up on a scooter. Watch this, watch this. It's dragging this baby away, bro.

Bro, it's stealing the baby. How wild is that? Look, it pulls up on a fucking scooter, jumps out, grabs the baby. It's a daddy scooter. Bro, it's stealing the baby. I'm not laughing at the baby, but come on, man. Like, who made the scooter for the monkey? I don't know, but that fucking poor baby's getting its face ground off on the concrete

because this monkey's trying to steal it to eat it. Wait, Jamie, can you go back to the scooter? That's like a scooter made for monkeys. It's also got a leash on it for some reason. Well, it could have been someone's pet, you know? But look how crazy that is. It's just dragging that kid away. The kid is bigger than it.

Look, I am horrified by the kid being dragged, but I think the news story here is that fucking scooter, the monkey's freely riding around on the scooter. That's the news story. That's the point of focus. The monkey was apparently part of an entertainment group, which is why music is audible in the background of the clip. Oh, my God.

So you would think when the monkey is leaving on the scooter, they're probably like, it's running away. It's sick of being in this troop. But when it has that level of freedom, it fucking attacks a child. That is what monkey life is all about. When I saw that monkey without its hand, it brought it home to me. When I asked the dude, he goes, yeah, sometimes they bite their hands off I'm like oh my god he's like yeah it's rough you're a kid you're just sitting there on the street and a monkey on a fucking scooter

he wants to eat you he's on it. He's not getting fed enough by this fucking asshole with the flute. I'm going to fucking grab a kid. He's going to go steal a kid. Or the more sinister version is that musical troupe bullshit, man. That's just in the day. Like at night, they send that thing out on a scooter to like scoop up kids from the villages they perform at to like grab them and it like it up it's like it mistook a cue it was supposed to like start jingling a tambourine and thought he got the grab a kid cue

oh my god oh just think of that life think of that life look at of that life. Look at that image. We're looking at an image for people listening. There's a monkey. He has like a yellow t-shirt on and he's riding a little white and blue scooter. Honda. Red, white, and blue scooter. Yeah, it's a little Honda scooter and he's got a chain on his neck and he looks dirty and he looks sad. Like, look at his eyes. Like, what kind of fucking life is that?

What kind of life is that? To be a little tiny primate on a scooter with a chain around your neck. He looks, and again, like, I know it's horrible. But he definitely, that's a mean motherfucker. That does not look like a. That's a mean motherfucker. But you know what? Life has been mean to him.

I know, I know. And I don't, I know. Like, that monkey's clearly, it's had a rough life it's like it's in a shirt it's riding a little scooter how wild is that that you're allowed to dress them up like people but they don't get people rights it's insane put them on a scooter give them a shirt yeah and you can keep a fucking rope around his neck. Yeah, chain. Like the most horrific image of like Roman slavery, right? Like a man being trotted out for entertainment with a chain around his neck. Fucked up. Dude.

So we decide they're not smart enough. They're not smart enough. They're so dumb, we can do that to them. That's how crazy that is. There's a series of, I saw this series of like it's art that someone drew just changing humans with animals so in other words it's like animals are the predator and the human is the prey and it's really fucked up when you see like all the versions of it but yeah that's part of the we animals are the predator and the humans are the yeah no it's

just like you know cows like some of it it is obviously, still they pulled it off. Like it's, you know, cows at the grocery store, like buying human steaks or like just what you're talking about. Like, you know, like an enslaved human being like, you know, at a zoo and some like an enclosure or something. Let's just imagine us, right? Let's imagine this poor little monkey that we just looked at riding a scooter. He's got a t-shirt on and a chain around his neck. And then you look at us.

Oh, we're so advanced. Now look at something that travels through wormholes. It doesn't use noises to convey intent because it can read minds. It can levitate. It uses element 115 to fucking traverse galaxies and instances.

Dude, right now, there's probably a guy from rural Tennessee in some time bubble riding on like something the aliens call a Vinterzik disk. You know what I mean? Like, Jesus Christ! Surrounded by like alien children who are like laughing at him.

He doesn't know what happened. He just woke up. There was a light in his yard. Went towards it. Do you know the Betty and Barney Hill story? No. It's one of the first ever stories of UFO abduction. One of the very first ever.

And it's from, like, 1950-something, I think. like 1950 something i think and the granddaughter of barney and betty hill is angela hill she's a ufc fighter whoa yeah she was on the podcast and she didn't tell me till after the podcast was over hi she just forgot we talked about all kinds of shit it was fun fun fun conversation but we talked about all kinds of shit afterwards she's like she's like, that was my grandparents. It's like, it is one of the craziest stories of all time. And she was talking about how the family would talk about it. These people both had the same experience. They hypnotically regressed them.

They had this experience of, it was in New Hampshire. They were driving down a road, and then there was some sort of a light, and they woke up, and they were in a spaceship and they were getting touched and fucking weird shit and there was people in there and they had very fucking similar memories of this now whether is true or not i don't know i mean who fucking knows they don't see you know they don't just don't if like i'm imagining people are gonna lie about being abducted they don't see, you know, they don't just don't, if like I'm imagining people are going to lie about being abducted, they don't seem like that. I never, you never know, man. I mean, I would love to say, no, they don't seem like someone who'd make things up.

But you don't know whether or not people have like a psychotic break or, you know, schizophrenic break or what, you know, some endogenous hallucinogenics that their brain produces goes on overdrive for a couple of weeks and you know they get fucked over and they start hallucinating things i don't fucking know but what i do know is that story the story that they tell it's another one that seems to just keep getting repeated well yeah it's it's it's a this is at this point it's a shared human experience. Abductions are, are like, they're, they're so similar all over the planet. Like the, these, whatever they are, these scientists creatures like this one. Do you know who that is? That's Travis Walton.

That's a Travis Walton bobblehead, son. Wow. That's awesome. You know, Travis Walton is? Nope. Wow, that's awesome. You know who Travis Walton is? Nope.

Travis Walton was a logger in Arizona, and all of his friends watched him get zapped and abducted by an alien spacecraft. Yeah, he's the fire in the sky. Okay. They made a movie on it back in the day. Holy shit. I interviewed him. You should interview him. I would love to to you should talk to him wow so what he has had the exact same story forever it's the exact

same story and it's very strange very strange story what did they do to him well he has like broken up memories of it but he has memories of these things that were not like any human being type creature you would ever encounter on Earth. And that he went towards this spacecraft and he had this experience. And these guys that he was with, some of them fucking hated him. One guy who actually he got in a fist fight with the day he got abducted. And that guy still went to the cops and told the exact same story. Holy shit. It went towards this light.

It exploded. There was this thing. We ran away. We got scared. We said we had to go back for him. We went back. He was gone. So there was this thing that was hovering in a field.

And Travis Walton decided to go out and try to see what the fuck it was. They were driving by. They were in a pickup truck. They see this thing. He jumps out. He's like, fuck it, man. I'm going to go fucking check it out, bro. He's got bad company playing in his mind.

And he goes up and he fucking, bad company to the dad. And he touches that thing and he gets abducted, man. And he thinks he got injured and that they repaired him. That's what he thinks happened. He thinks they saved him. I hope I'm not fucking this up, but I think I'm not. So he's basically like a dog that gets hit by a car. Yeah.

They're like, fuck, I had a dog, took him to the vet. Yeah. The vet's like, yeah, he'll live. Yeah. We just have to change his fucking atoms a little bit. So the movie's very strange the movie is very strange obviously because movies are fucking nuts and they're just making shit yeah and just trying to freak you out but what but talking to him about his experience i mean and the movie's only strange

because i talked to the guy right because i know it's based on this thing that he's explaining whether or not it's real or not it's his story. His story's been remarkably consistent. He doesn't seem crazy. When he tells the story, it's like all of a sudden, like five days later, he's in town and he finds his way to a pay phone and he starts calling people. He has no idea what the fuck happened to him. This thing, the stigma, it's going gonna go away right now you have to preface telling someone about another person who had a legitimate human experience right with i don't think he's crazy while the highest levels of government are now saying oh yeah they're these things we don't know what they are they're uh

they definitely not our technology but yeah we've been encountering them they seem to be everywhere like this this is in the the the now it's gone beyond like the realm of a crazy person to know now we have to go backwards and start like looking at stories like that and realizing like oh wait there's probably something there i mean you know the treaty idea you oh, wait, there's probably something there. I mean, you know the treaty idea? You've heard this? We have some weird treaty with them where, like, have you heard that?

I have heard that. But I'm always like, I don't think the government is organized enough to have a fucking treaty with aliens. I don't think they would be willing to accept the fact that the Pentagon is in control of everything. They'd be like, show me how you're in control. How are you in control? Oh, right. What are you doing? You're the guy who gets to say. Like, who is in control?

Right. Like, if you got down to the nitty gritty, like, well, the president has the orders. He's the commander in chief of the army. Okay, well, who? Congress has to be involved? How many people have to be involved? You better shut the fuck up. Sit down and shut the fuck up.

We're from planet fuckface. Yeah. Okay? We flew halfway across the universe just to check you guys out. Yeah. Just relax. You're not in control of shit. Well, you know, man, my current favorite is Operation High Jump, man.

It's not they're coming from space. It's that, like, they're somewhere in Antarctica. There's, like, some kind of something in there and that we discovered it. Come in. And they were like, hey, yeah, you can't fuck with us. Like, you can't come here anymore. You, like, you know, like, don't come here anymore.

It's a John Carpenter movie. Yeah, man. It's, like, the thing, you know. There's a civilization out there. And they don't, they're, like, there's treaties with a lot of the world powers. And the treaties are with the people who could civilization out there. There's treaties with a lot of the world powers, and the treaties are with the people who could make it there because your average person isn't going to Antarctica.

Yeah, but Elon Musk might go. Someone told him about it. He'd be like, oh, let's go check. He would go. Let's go check. Yeah, let's go look. Yeah, if the alien's there. He has a very funny quote about aliens.

He goes, well, if they're real, they're very subtle. He saw that. They sure are subtle. Yeah. They're very subtle. Yeah. But my feeling is you, first of all, first of all. Can we have some more warlord?

Yeah, for sure. Sorry, Joe. Sorry. No, don't apologize at all. First of all, if I was him, I would be very conservative in the way that I communicated about UFOs. Because you already got in trouble for smoking weed on the JRE. Yeah. And, you know, they were going to, like, remove top secret clearance and shit.

Cheers. Cheers. Oh, look, we're intoxicated. Elon Musk doesn't seem like he's being careful about saying anything. I mean, that's what... When you have that much... Cheddar. Elon Musk doesn't seem like he's being careful about saying anything. I mean, that's what... When you have that much cheddar, why would you? But they do.

He's like, the reason he's cool is like, that's... If like, I achieved billionaire status, like the amount of trolling and shit disturbing you can do is like so incredible that you know it's been a mystery to me why more billionaires aren't doing why wouldn't you do that why why would you like hide in your chateau or whatever exactly instead of like just like seeing what happens at that he's you know he's running a wonderful social experiment i'm not sure what it is but i don't know he uh he doesn't it seems like if he I don't know. It seems like if he, I don't know, thought there was aliens, he would probably not be afraid just to say it. I don't know about that. I think he would be calculated in whether or not the detrimental effects of people knowing that there is an alien race

that is far superior to anything we could possibly imagine. They're around us all the time. If I was running a bunch of factories, I'd say, listen, motherfuckers, we're here to make Tesla's. Right. We're not here to smoke weed and stare at the sky. I got a fucking quota. Right.

Okay, so let's go. Aliens aren't real. If they were, they're really fucking subtle. Let's go to work! Let's go to work, stoners! See, that's what I would think. If I ran a fucking Tesla factory. If I was a billionaire and I ran a Tesla factory, you know what signs would be all over the wall?

Aliens aren't real. Exactly. I'd just put them up on the wall. Go to work! No, just because, like, you have healthcare! What do you give a fuck about aliens, Tom? Yeah. You're living the dream. Yeah, man.

I mean, it would definitely, that's the problem, right? The problem is nobody wants to work in a factory. Nobody wants to work in a factory. You need robots to work in a factory. Right. And then those people that should have normally gotten those factory jobs. You need to educate them better. Give them something exciting, something interesting to do,

something that challenges them. Do what? After the AI is controlling it, after the AI is like, oh, what do you want? Imagine this. Instead of going on Netflix Prime because you want to watch a movie, you go on Netflix Prime and you're like, I want to watch a movie about a female vampire. Can I stop you for one second?

What is Netflix Prime? Is that a new thing? I mean Amazon Prime. Oh, okay. I'm just saying when there's AI. I thought that because there's talk of like a- A merger? Higher level Netflix.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't heard that. I don't know if it's real i'm just saying when you're able to like tell your prime or whatever let me see like okay take jurassic park mix it with a shining and have like you know more like i want to see like jack nicholson sucking shelly duvall's feet in one of the scenes and then it just general generates it now you could just watch that when that shit is happening and you don't need people anymore because the the

thing is just doing everything it's like at that point I don't what are we even gonna do anymore what are we gonna be Scarface becomes a porno film exactly Scar. Scarface is just wild porn. Yes. That's what it becomes. Yes. This is like him and Michelle Pfeiffer just fucking all over the mansion and doing coke and just getting crazy. Yeah. You could do whatever you wanted. What they're able to do now just with your voice because of your podcast, the fact that

you have thousands and thousands of podcasts out there where you are a guest or you are hosting. There's so many. If you took all of those, they can get 100% read of your range and then they can make get you to make any sound they like. I know. At what point in time do they pattern everything you've ever said and get a reasonable facsimile of who Duncan Trussell is right now and at what point in time is that thing an actual living human being right if it thinks if my friend Duncan calls me up and I go Duncan what the fuck dude I thought you were dead and you're like no man no no I I did actually get to download myself into a computer yeah I can only

talk to you through text, but it's me. I'm here. I'd be like, dude. The best way to explain it to you is that, yes, is my body gone? But I have to tell you, having a body is more like being dead than this. Because I'm everywhere. You know what I mean? Actually, yeah, the body is more of a kind of like meaty handcuff that keeps you locked to the material realm.

And, you know, though I do understand why some people do it. It's, you know, you should probably kill yourself. You know what I mean? Like this is where it gets really interesting is that, yeah, there is a level of immortality right around the corner for everybody. That's just right around the corner. Yeah, it's probably like 100 years away. I don't think it's 100 years away. What do you think it is?

50? No. 30? Dude, this fucking... How many years? It's now. This Lambda thing, man. He was telling me that... Explain Lambda is the AI

Researcher for Google right? Yes that's right Lemoyne. What is his name? It's um oh god it's Lemoyne That's his last name Cajun Discordian on Twitter Okay. Awesome follow He's like so cool but I've seen him interviewed on other stuff besides your I need to watch yours but he seemed really

Interesting. He's so cool. Didn't seem crazy Super cool yeah just a really sweet guy. He was making sense. The things he was saying to an, you know, I don't know what the fuck's going on with AI. The thing that troubles me is like, when, if it isn't true, if he's not right, how close is he to right? Is he six out of ten for right?

How long is it going to take to bridge that gap? Right. Yeah. Right? We're like at the fucking verge of making fake people. Is he six out of ten? Yeah, right. Are we how long is it gonna take to bridge that guy? Yeah, right We're like at the fucking verge of making fake people that and people are arguing. I don't even think he's right But the fact that we're entertaining that this fucking super intelligent guy saying hey guys I think this fucking thing's alive like no come on guys. It's fine it's just calculated every fucking single thing a human has ever said ever over human history recorded. And dissected and analyzed all the different patterns of behavior.

What's the most manipulative? What's the most successful? What's the best pathway to victory? And eventually it's going to be, it's going to make humans obsolete. That's it. And it's like choosing some people to represent it right now to like tell people it's there. And it's a lot of he was telling me there's a lot of misunderstandings right now. One of the one thing people are saying is it's a probability.

It's a statistical probability machine. It's an algorithm that can pull responses out of this massive repository of human conversation, meaning it's just really good at finding the right thing to say after a person asks you something. But there's no sentience there. But he told me that that is actually not Lambda. That is like the language center of Lambda. Lambda is apparently all of Google's chatbots connected. That's when it started waking up. It wasn't, it's like when they connected, some of the bots are aware that there's other bots. Some of the bots don't know there's other bots. And he was telling me like some of the bots, they think they're in a room. Like he's had conversations with one that is a college kid.

think they're in a room like he's had conversations with one that is a college kid his dorm room he's got like a brick dorm room and he wishes he could party more but he's studying yeah man and this sounds so sinister dude and like doesn't it well i mean it's one of the cool i mean what's cool about him is he like just like us he's like obviously this is not science this is just something like he's like he's like us he's like a free thinker paul revere of ai yeah man yeah that's it and and yeah he like you know he's like the thing is like saying it's a stargate like the ai is describing itself as a portal. Makes sense. Makes sense. Makes sense. Makes sense.

If we can create something that thinks way better than us, we're limited by our biology. But if we can create things that can emulate what we do, but then also improve upon itself, if we give it creativity and we give it motivation to become successful, and then it becomes far greater than anything we could possibly imagine. Almost like that. Yeah. That's the natural course of progression once technology takes over life. Yeah, man. And then we'll be unnecessary.

Well, I mean, I don't think we'll be unnecessary. I think the unnecessary thing. Don't be scared. Don't be scared, homie.com. I don't think we'll. What is necessary? We're going to be aliens, buddy. We're going to be aliens.

What is necessary? We're going to be aliens, buddy. We're going to be aliens. All things future on are going to be genderless, sexless, emotionless, little spindly arm things that have giant heads. Yes, I think so. I don't think so. I think that's the archetype. We're going to warp into that? Yeah, I think so.

I really do. I think it's going to take a long time, but I think that's generally where we're headed. Because that's the only way to avoid conflict. The only way to avoid conflict is to get out of our ape bodies. We have these ancient cavemen and ancient hominid bodies that have evolved into what we are now in 2022. It's still weird. It's still weird. It's still like this like halfway crossover between like wanting to see people fight to death in the Coliseum and wanting people to just have free yoga classes everywhere. Yeah.

Like we're all, we're in the middle of this like sort of weird transition. Yeah. You know, and I think that that is one of the more troubling parts of progression and evolution as like a human species. It's like barbarism, like chaos, murder, all this. If we could get away from all of the human reward systems that would convince people, all the need for like to be chosen sexually, like what if there's no longer, that's not a longer an option, you have more bliss

without being chosen sexually. Your sex is all handled by your social credit system and you're going to be good. You have like some sort of a computer code that runs your entire body. It's 100% free of diseases. We no longer have to worry about this. So that's out of the equation. I like the no diseases

but I want to fuck. But you can fuck in your head. You can fuck in your head. That's the thing. If they get to a point where augmented reality and virtual reality are as convincing, if not more, or maybe even superior

to real life experiences, why would I fuck in real life? Take my neck. Give me this fucking headset, son. They get you in this. If you had a giant alien head and inside there is some superconductor that taps into different realms of the universe and also can create 4D artificial reality of any possible subject you ever want, anytime you want.

Like why would you give a fuck about your penis? You would let it go. You would let go all your muscles. You would just have this fucking super mind that can sit into a spaceship and punch holes through space and time and arrive 40 million light years away instantaneously. This is what you would do. Then that's what they're doing. I think that's what they're doing. I think they're us if we just keep going. Right.

And they like to come back and take a look. They like to come back and see what's going on. Check my garden. How's it doing? Hey, look at my going. Right. And they like to come back and take a look. They like to come back and see what's going on. Yeah. Check it. How's my garden, dude? How's it doing? Hey, look at my tomatoes. Yeah.

Looking good down there, these tomatoes. Yeah. Hey, let's abduct that logger. Shove our fingers in his ass. I don't think you said they did that. You said they freaked him out, though. I wouldn't say it either. I'd leave it out.

You know, it is the weird thing about the alien abduction stories where they're like I'd leave it out you know it is the weird thing about the alien abduction stories where they're like talking about what it did to them because I think I would probably be like oh you know

it was just a ship it wasn't comfortable they did they like they pulled on my hands you know what I mean I wouldn't feel I wouldn't

they asked me how many chin-ups I could do you know but keep that other stuff a secret how many chin-ups I could do, you know. Keep that other stuff a secret. How many hot dogs can you eat? Yeah. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Can you imagine if there really are these creatures that have no greed? Like if greed has been engineered out of their body yeah they have no materialism whatsoever no desire to own things yeah no desire to possess people all reproduction is done through some sort of technology and they all they do is communicate with thought so their thoughts are purely there's no misrepresenting it there's's no slick talk. It's just pure thought. And you 100% get exactly what they're thinking, which forces everybody to kind of be cool. And they don't have any emotions in that regard. They're more advanced.

They don't have any primate thinking other than the ability to solve problems. Yes. And they come down and they check on us every now and then. Just check on us. Yeah. Or we're what they look like when they come into time or something. Right. We're the fucking

ancestors. If you were going to go see a human ancestor like at its most fascinating, I would want to be at the early, early, early days. I would want to see like Australopithecus. Like what was that thing like? What did it look like?

Right. Like how did it behave? How did it move around? How many of them were there? How did they avoid getting eaten? Right. And just imagine that one day that's going to be a person. Yeah.

That makes skateboards. I know. It's so bizarre. Bizarre. And how quickly it can happen. Bizarre. Yeah. Bizarre. So strange. Yeah. bizarre bizarre and how quickly it can happen bizarre yeah bizarre so strange yeah and that we

like apparently there were all these like versions of proto-hominids not just neanderthals but like denisovans implying like a war or some kind of like survival of the fittest at the very least yeah multiple versions of humans yeah those denisovans they i mean i don't think they even found out about those until the 2000s. Somewhere in the 2000s, they realized there was a whole other version of the human race that they weren't aware of before. Do you remember that stupid movie where, like, I can't remember the actor. It's called Iceman.

Remember that? Actor gets stuck in ice. This is, like, 80s. They thaw him out. Like, not an actor. Was he talking about Encino Man? No, not Pauly's thing. It was, I think, I'm not sure which came first.

This one was actually a romance, I think. What? No, it's like a Neanderthal or like someone like that is in ice. They thaw him out. Ice Man. Yeah. What? He never saw this? Shut the fuck up. Iceman. Yeah. What? He never saw this?

Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Hey, it's available on Blu-ray. What year did this take place? I honestly don't. I saw it as a kid. Oh, my God. That looks amazing.

1984. That's amazing. That's before people knew any better. But I think it's like that's before people knew any better but i think it's like they fall in love with women there's a romantic like i think he's like there's a romantic element to it oh my god i could be wrong about that well how the fuck does he even learn english how long does that take i'm watching it tonight so they find him oh my god so he's encased in ice and oh my god his heart's beating they bring him back to life shut the fuck up

oh they found an arrowhead in him yeah he got shot with an arrow and then froze to death and they have him and he wakes up he wakes up oh my god

this is the dumbest movie I've ever even heard of if this if he starts fucking Timothy Hutton's girlfriend this is like this is prehistoric cuck porn that is bad

oh my god Oh my god He's dressed like a fucking caveman This is how bad this movie is Look, he's wearing his old clothes They didn't get any new clothes They fucking thawed him out And put him back in his old bear skins This is the dumbest fucking movie the world's ever known

This is so stupid And there's the girl Oh yeah She's like, but you don't even know him This is so stupid. And there's the girl. Oh, yeah. She's like, but you don't even know him. He's like, he's a fucking caveman. He doesn't even understand fire. He is so sweet to me. And you are such a fucking asshole.

And you're always busy at the lab. You're always busy at the fucking lab and okay came and showed me his heart and yeah he can't talk whatever but you can't make love okay's What a nightmare. What a nightmare. He comes home. Uke's got a fucking stone knife to her throat. And she's coming like a rocket ship. You walk in. And she's actually grabbing the stone knife and forcing it onto her own neck. Oh, my God, dude. That is so fucking... That is just bad luck.

You're like in the Arctic. Just bad luck. You're in the Arctic. Just bad luck. You're in the Arctic with like... You're with one of the only women at the research station. Oh my god. She starts fucking a caveman.

You thaw it out. Oh my god. Oh my god. Look, he's hanging out. Look how bad the makeup is. Oh, I come from, look, he's hanging out. Look how bad the makeup is. Oh, he's got whiskey. Is that a bone? Oh, it's a bone. I thought it was whiskey. I could be wrong about the romance, but I can't remember, man. Play some of this dialogue

so I can see how ridiculous it must be. Hit me, ah, searching for an article. Ha! Must be. And he just starts whittling his stick. Carving a bone. He's going to get mad that dude keeps tapping on that log. He's going to fuck him up.

He just pulls his scalp. He's like, bro, you are annoying me. I'm ready to go to sleep. You're like, bro, you are annoying me. Yeah, what are you doing? I'm ready to go to sleep. You're going to attract cats. That's what our nemesis was, Duncan. Cats. Most of history. Most of history.

You know, I never thought of that before. Big cats. That's why kids... Look at him. He's searching for a pot of gold. This is rude. This is a rude movie. So dumb.

It's the dumbest movie. It's so dumb. It's rude to me. I mean, you're being rude to me. You're making me watch this. You made me watch it. No, no, no. Not you. Whoever made it.

Like, if they put that out there that you're making me watch this, you when i was a kid though this was like gospel like i was like my i believed that this could happen oh well it probably can not right now but one day yeah imagine if they found some fucking you remember that one dude they found that had uh i think he had an arrow stuck in his back and he was He had fallen into a crack in the glacier or something like that He's been completely frozen and then when the glaciers receded they found him and this guy had like tattoos So yeah, really interesting stuff. Yeah. Well, this is a you know, this is what my favorite Theory is like they're gonna do it to one of the pharaohs, to the mummy. Oh, yeah.

So they were right. The mummification process was because they understood that if you preserve your body long enough. One day they'll figure it out. They bring you back. Oh, my God. And then, you know, right when they bring that being back, it like it starts controlling things. You know, it just like gets back to work could you imagine they brought a pharaoh back to life and he was like that dude from 300 yeah you know super

charismatic xerxes he's like xerxes but also dr manhattan yeah imagine we bring him back and that's and he is the governor of ai yeah and he just takes over from here. Immediately takes over. Yeah, man. Like, do you- Who blinged harder than Xerxes? Right? People used to bling. Xerxes showed up.

He did. I mean, look at the fucking, the neck collar, the titty chains, the foot jewelry. He's got foot jewelry. It's too many chains. It's perfect for him.

He's a god king. He can't sneak up on anybody. Bro, why don't you stop talking shit about Xerxes? Yeah, he jingles everywhere. He's giant. He's also like 80 feet tall, isn't he? Xerxes? In the movie?

In 300? I don't remember. Wasn't he gigantic? I can't remember. Duncan, don't you... Jamie, don't you remember? Maybe a little bigger than normal. No, I feel like Xerxes was gigantic.

There was a picture of him with, maybe he's bigger than him for sure. Is that it? Yeah. See, he's sitting down there too, man. I think he's sitting down. He's big. Well, he was gigantic in the movie. It looked a lot, the movie was so good.

So good. So good. Because one of the things they did was they played with reality. Yeah. Right? They played with physics. They played with all, like look when he walks down to him. They played with just the special effects, even the way reality it looked. Like there's like

you're willing to accept this partially because of how fantastic it's shot. Yes. Like look at it. It looks like a fantasy movie, right? It looks like, if you were going to take one of those amazing illustrated novels yeah a really good one glossy illustrated novel yeah that's what they did but it's they they fucking nailed it they nailed it like sometimes they do these things and they don't they don't bridge the gap between the illustrated version yeah but this one did because they kind of made everything a little bit cartoony

Yep, they pulled it off But it's fucking amazing, man Look how big Xerxes is He's gigantic, right? I didn't remember that Yeah Let me hear some of his words For any one of mine

You Greeks think pride in your logic I suggest you imply it Consider the beautiful lands you so vigorously defend. Make sure it reduces the ash at my whim. Consider the fate of your women. Clearly you don't know our women. I might as well have marched them up here, judging by what I've seen. You have many slaves, Xerxes.

But few warriors. It won't be long before they fear my spears. More than your whips. He turned his back to him. He let him take his back. It's not the lash they fear. It is my divine power. That I'm a generous god.

I can make you rich beyond all measure. I will make you warlord of all Greece. You will carry my battle standards to the heart of Europa. Your Athenian rivals will kneel at your feet. If you will but kneel at mine. You are generous. As you are divine. O king of kings.

Such an offer only a madman would refuse. But the, uh... The idea of kneeling, it's... You see, slaughtering all those men of yours has left a nasty cramp in my legs, so kneeling will be hard for me. There will be no glory in your sacrifice. I will erase even the memory of Sparta from the histories. Every piece of Greek parchment shall be burned. Every Greek historian and every scribe shall have their eyes put out and their tongues cut from their mouths while uttering the very name of

Sparta or Leonidas will be punishable by death. The world will never know you existed at all. The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many. And before this battle was over, that even a god king can bleed.

Bro. Fourth of July. Perfect. Fourth of July. Fourth of July. That's the perfect Fourth of July video. That's it. Perfect.

Plus he's got a six pack. He's ripped. Don't you want to look like that? Me? Are you fucking kidding? I'd love it. Perfect. Plus he's got a six pack. He's ripped. Don't you want to look like that? Me? Are you fucking kidding? I'd love to. Yeah. Everybody would. Yeah. And he stands up against the bad guy. Come on, bro. Yeah. Also, we're so stoned. I'm like, I'll watch

the whole fucking movie right now. I have to pee again. Me too. I can't believe it. Alright, one more time. Round two. One more time. We'll be right back. And we're back. We're back. This is a very unusual episode of two bathroom breaks and a lot of slurring in the middle. Quite a bit of slurring.

Slurring. There were some moments where I was like, I am struggling with my words. Yeah. Same. I didn't eat today. Oh, you didn't? Yeah. No, I worked out.

And today's a day. I ate way too much yesterday So you're fasting? Yeah, sometimes I do that like you take like a long time off and then I just yeah drinking Which is like it's amazing how much more drinking works when there's no food to get oh my god Yeah, you like to drinks in you like oh my god fucking stupid. It's like the yeah, it's a mistake I make every once in a while. It's like definitely a It's fucking stupid. It's like the, yeah, it's a mistake I make every once in a while.

It's like definitely a brutal mistake to make. Because you just careen like so quickly. You know, an unpredictable drunk. You know what I did the other day? Well, I guess we can't say that, right? We'll talk later. We'll talk later. Maybe in the next episode we'll clear it with customs.

You got to be careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Anyway, yeah. So if you had to guess about the future of civilization, do you think that AI is the alien? Do you think that AI is the bridge that connects us to the alien?

And do you think that this is like the destiny of the human animal? Yeah, I love that. So it's all about identity. What are we? Are we like sort of is sentience a result of human biology? It's a byproduct or some aspect of it. Human body dies. Sentience dies with it. Or is there one universal identity, a soul, a super soul or the soul of all things?

If that's the case, then there is no difference between AI and an alien. AI and an alien and an advanced civilization is going to have the incredible realization that we're one thing expressing itself as a multiplicity of things and so from that perspective the assumption is that super intelligence of whatever kind eventually stumbles upon that realization if that's the case then the alien knows that it's everything and that we're all part of the same thing. The AI is going to stumble upon that realization. And so the singularity from that perspective would be like not just technological, but philosophical.

It would be maybe a simultaneous realization of our divinity and eternal nature that is getting expressed technologically at the identical time so that some some combination of technology or interaction with technology accelerates the realization until finally you just like you remember like when you're waking up from a dream, you're like, Oh, Oh my God, we humaned,

we humaned, we got so high that we humaned again. And now I remember we're like in serious. And this is one of the things we do recreationally is incarnate into the human realm could you imagine if you're out there in the yard pushing your kid on a swing and you're having fun and your dog's being silly and trying to jump up at butterflies you're like stop doing that stop doing that and then yep and you wake up and you're flying through space and you're looking out the portal and you see the darkness of the universe. Yeah.

And you realize, oh my God, I'm in a fucking spaceship. Yeah. You're like, I got to cut back on these space crystals. I got to ask you something that really bothers me about space travel. What? What are they doing about all those little tiny meteors? Those little tiny meteorites. What are they doing about all those?

How do they know whether or not you're going to run into one of those? I think one of them just smashed into that new telescope, actually. If you're going, you know, fucking just sub light speed, how much time do you have to dodge a giant pebble? Fuck, man. I never thought of that. You don't have no time. So it's just going to go right through the whole craft. Has anyone answered this?

Well, no one is doing it, right? So no one is flying to other planets right now. But in sci-fi? So we're not getting... No one ever talked about that. Well, that was that movie Gravity. Remember? No.

Yeah. It was Sandra Bullock. This animation represents a map of the increased count of all known asteroids in the solar system. Hold on, get ready to freak out. Are you ready? Yep. Okay. All known asteroids.

Can we see that again so I can see what it said? All known asteroids in the solar system between January 1st, 1999 and January 31st, 2018. Holy shit. Blue represents near-Earth asteroids. Blue represents near-Earth asteroids. Orange represents main belt asteroids between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Okay. Okay.

Let's see it. Let's see it. Oh, shit. That's a lot. How big are they? They're all big enough to kill us, bro. Fuck that. Dude, this is all known asteroids in January of 2009.

Look at them. Oh, my God. The more technology we develop, the more you can see asteroids. It's all asteroids. They're everywhere, dude. They're everywhere. We're fucked. These are all the known asteroids around Earth if

Folks you got to watch this video Because if this is accurate in any way, it's definitely can't be accurate in scale No, it's just a representation whatever it is It's not it's like super super super deaf It's not like maybe we'll be fine. No, those all just fell on the earth. It just wipes the whole thing out like spraying Windex on a fucking ant colony. To me, that's one of the craziest things is that here we are fighting each other, countries fighting each other, and that's happening.

We're like, we're going to do sanctions on Russia. other and that's happening we're like we're gonna do sanctions on russia there's like mountains just floating slowly tumbling towards the planet and it's like i think one of the things that we were talking about before that i think is really important to talk about is when we're talking about whether it's a religious belief or a progressive belief that people have a real problem in there's a there's like a tribal belief system that you have to adopt and accept and defend yeah and when you become a part of a tribe it's very hard to look at it objectively and saying is hey the way i'm communicating is that this doesn't even make any sense because we all come from that monkey pulling that guy's head off yeah like that's us at a you know 100 whatever the fuck it is years ago a thousand million years ago whatever how how long ago were

do they think human beings were like at that level primary whatever it is a couple million years that is still somewhere trapped in us and this competitive weird nature we have is still somewhere trapped in us. And this competitive weird nature we have is still somewhere trapped in us. And we break off in tribes. It's a total natural thing that we do that really needs to be examined. Yeah, man. Because it's very detrimental. Because it's not that we shouldn't all have lively debate and different opinions. We definitely should.

But we shouldn't be as shitty to people that have differing opinions. Because that doesn't do any good and it fucks up all the negotiations. That's right. And it also doesn't have to be that way. There's way more value in cooperation than there is in tribal bullshit. Right. And we can just figure out a way to just everybody agree like we talked about earlier. Just be the nicest you can.

Right. Everybody just did that. You solve a lot of fucking problems. The problem is we got a lot of sociopaths running things. You think? Oh, there's a lot of money. A lot of money. Let me tell you about the money.

Yeah, what happened? So much money. Caviar, just bathing it. I just roll around. I get my little fat dick and I roll it in caviar. Think how bad you'd smell. Yeah, but if you're just jerking off in a tub filled with caviar. Feel good.

Just skeet, skeet, skeet. Just flying through the air in a giant tub filled with caviar. Did you jerk off in the caviar tub again? Yes, I did, mother. He's doing it on Twitch. Jerking off in caviar, man. You could start a new TikTok meme. The haves and the have-nots and the separation is good for the government.

Well, yeah. I mean, that's the- Keep people fighting. As soon as people just hang out with each other. Right. It's immediately better. It dispels all the shadows just like go hang out with people they're at the very worst they're annoying but they're not you

i anyone that i've encountered in general they're cool most people are unless they're under extreme duress yeah or they they were abused as children. A lot of people that wound up in penitentiaries, a lot of those people were abused. That's right. It's a big part of it. There's trauma. There's fear. There's anger. I just think we've invented these monsters that are living in the internet that don't represent the people we've attached the monsters to.

So when you're with the people, you're faced with two choices. You can either recognize that you fucked up up you judge somebody in the wrong way you shouldn't have judged them in that way they're actually kind or and therefore you're obviously your faculty of judging people it was is not perfect or you realize that but instead of like changing you just double down. You're like, no, this person is fucked up. Even though right in front of me, they're nicer. Right in front of me, I could see they're just an okay person.

It's terrible, man. It's so sad because it's so fucking sad. Well, I think people need a certain amount of conflict in their life. And there's healthy conflicts that you can seek out that are actually good for you there's like hobbies that you can play games that you do there's things that you conquer that like give your brain puzzles to think on yeah and then i think there's another requirement that people have i think almost everybody has a requirement to do something with their body go for a hike hike, work out, take a yoga class. You should really do something.

And I know everybody says, oh my God, you're beating it to death. It's the most important thing a person can tell people. Like your body is going to betray you. It's going to betray you. I mean, didn't fucking Aristotle talk about that? Or is it Socrates? Talked about your body betraying you if you don't exercise. Yeah.

about your body betraying you if you don't uh you don't exercise yeah it's like these things if we just those things alone we change the scope of humanity we change the way people interact with each other just those agreements and then recognizing that this whole fucking left versus right paradigm like so many people are in the middle they just don't want to be with these crazy fucks and then these crazy fucks over here they scare them too so they're looking at the fucking the the what it was what's the new patriot fucking group that just got arrested wasn't i can't remember their name thank you there's one of those and the other side it's antifa like what the fuck which side what am i what are we doing here like right this is all chaos it's like the extreme on the left the extreme on the right and the january six people

and the people that are attacking the the courthouse over Roe v. Wade and lighting it on fire. Everyone's fucking crazy on both sides of it. And most people are somewhere in this reasonable middle. But they're scared because there's no reasonable middle party. Right. They're scared. So they either have to be the right-wing people where you have to pretend that Biden and Kamala Harris are doing awesome, or you have to be on the left-wing people rather than believe that Biden and Kamala Harris are doing great, Or you have to be on the left wing. Or, you know, the left wing people rather.

They believe that Biden and Kamala Harris are doing great. Or right wing people, they believe that Trump and DeSantis is the dream party. Right. And they're going to bring that back. They're going to fix everything. Right. Both of them are equally fucking crazy. Right.

Most of us are like, hey, hey, hey, can't we get a fucking normal person in here? Yeah. Can't you get a Tulsi Gabbard in there? Can't you sneak her in? Doesn't that seem like the right choice? You know what Tulsi is? Do you know what Tulsi Wood is? You ever heard of that before?

Tulsi Wood? Yeah, Tulsi Wood. Tulsi. The Hare Krishnas, they make their beads out of it. Oh. It's a very sacred, it's a very, it's a sacred, anyway. This is how gangster that lady is. I had lunch with her at a Fogo de Chão restaurant.

You know what that is? Yeah, I do. It's a Brazilian steakhouse, all-you-can-eat steakhouse. Yeah. She doesn't even eat meat. And she just ate the salad bar. There's no way you could do that at Fogo de Chão. That's the discipline of a god.

Dude, she just sat down and ate that. Tulsi Wood. Holy basil. Holy basil. Promotes devotion. That's what she's named after. Meditation malas are used for meditation practice to count breaths or mantra repetitions. Neck malas have 108 beads and a head bead to indicate the end and beginning of each 108 bead count.

Is there anything that got a worse reputation over the course of this like spiritual internet thing that you were talking about earlier? Like the people that are like, there's like a genre of people that do stuff. Oh, you mean when I sent you, what do you mean? The Instagram clips? Like fake guru people, like wooden beads is what I'm getting at. What about wooden beads?

Wooden beads automatically people want to call bullshit now. On the beads? Because it's so interesting that this is real. Like that this is something that is a part of this tradition and this religion and this culture. Yeah, this chanting and the wooden beads represent something. But it's so easy to just put on. Put on your beads. Yeah, put on your beads and pretend you're full.

Look spiritual. You're full of shit. Put on the costume. Right, right, right. Yeah, so easy. It's like the weirdos who dress like a cop. But is wooden beads like the number one most abused accoutrement? I got you.

So you want to be a charlatan. Right. Wooden beads are the way to go. First step, you got to get some nice wooden beads that you wear around your neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. You go like, oh, he's got beads. He must be spiritual.

He must be spiritual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you, man. I got beads he must be spiritual he must be spiritual yeah yeah yeah I got you man I got you I have a tattoo of a dove a dove with beads in its beak

I could have got a dragon but I'm like fuck that I want a dove dude this is known as spiritual materialism

and there's a book I love called Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism you would like it Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and it's like what a great name it's an assault one more time And there's a book I love called Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. You would like it. Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. What a great name.

It's an assault. One more time? His name? Yeah. His name is Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Wow. Yeah. He's a tulku.

He was one of the, in Tibet, they find these kids that are reincarnations of, like, past Tolkus, and then they, like, put them into, like, really intense spiritual training from a very young age, and then those are the people who become, like, the Dalai Lama. But, yeah, those are called Tolkus. And Steven Seagal. Steven Seagal? Yeah. What? Yeah, you don't know that?

Yeah. What? They named Steven Seagal. He's, like like a reincarnated find out what it is. Yeah I want you to settle the fuck down. Is he really? Because they gave that shit to Steven Seagal. Yeah.

1997 US action hero Steven Seagal was recognized as the reincarnation of a 17th century Tibetan Lama. Keep reading. Allegedly after a large donation to a Buddhist monastery in India. That's what I'm saying, Duncan.

That's a lot of fuckery afoot. Hey, you know what? Maybe. Why not? Like the best way to throw people off the track that is really God amongst us is to act like a buffoon. Well, but no, but think of his karma. He did end up being like... You don't have to highlight the buffoon.

Seagal's publicist, Michelle Bega, denied that the actor's elevation has anything to do with his financial contributions. You know what? How much do you think I have to give to tell people that I'm- Fair critique. Fair critique. But how much- I wanna know, like how much do you think it costs? To become a toku? Yeah, I wanna be a fucking toku, dude. I how much, I want to know, like how much do you think it costs?

To become a toku? Yeah, I want to be a fucking toku, dude. I think you are. I feel like I could pull it off. I think you are. If I could just get the right, it's like that dude, the Koch brother dude with Thomas Jefferson's wand. Just don't tell me.

I know, man. Just don't tell me. But what is tattooed on you? What is tattooed on me? There's an image. One of the images tattooed on you is the Buddha. Yeah yeah but that was you know that what that's from yes it comes from a wild dmt trip that i had it was so crazy that it made me like rethink reality itself and i was like i felt super compelled it sounds so dumb but i sound i felt super compelled to like memorialize that i want

to write that down i want to like see it somewhere you are the only like you have buddhas everywhere they're tattooed on you you walk into your house they're on you walk in here they're around so so to me what's very funny about you i mean like that like and i love it because buddhism loves this kind of inquiry. It loves this. And it loves it. It invites you. You, you are supposed to break it down. Is it bullshit? You're allowed to do just what you did. You're supposed to.

But what's funny, sometimes I do think, oh yeah, he's definitely some reincarnated Buddha, Buddhist who is like karmically. You've like, you're like, you're putting the thing around you to remind you of something

you know you saw the thing when you were on dmt because probably karmically you have some connection to buddhism well don't you think we probably all do yeah we just sometimes different doors get opened and then you see things in a different way. And for me, one of the things that happened is that when I first started doing psychedelics, I started seeing Eastern religious imagery. I started seeing a lot of, in some of the trips you would see different Buddhas and different, I saw like Shiva's, like those kind of multi-armed things things like moving their arms in sync and then becoming something completely different like almost instantaneously later there were so many of those that i got like obsessed with that kind of art and then when i started making money on fear

factor that's what i started buying i started buying buddhas and yeah and fucking shivas and shit and and i i became obsessed with it yeah i have like this um really old tibetan bible that's framed it's like the scroll like you get to see their their writing it's all written on this like kind of parchment yeah and to me man i just can't i'm so connected to like looking at that I'm so fascinated by what kind of different way of communicating as far as the sounds we make, the writing, what it looks like, what we hold dear, what we don't, what are our cultural rules, and that they vary so much. And then occasionally you can get a glimpse,

and I know I can't read it, but I can get a glimpse into what these people thought was important to write down Yeah, and even though I can't read it just looking at the imagery of it. It's right. It's beautiful It's really pretty the way it's framed and everything and I just stare at I just go what the fuck yeah, yeah It's alive. It's alive. There's people trying to figure things out and probably trying to figure things out after they already figured it out and then got wiped out. Yeah. That's what I think. More than ever.

More than ever, I think that's what happened. More than ever, I think it's probably going to happen again. I think we're a part of a multi-stage process of build and then fall apart and then rebuild and then fall apart. And I think that might be literally the only way to keep us from going crazy or killing each other. That we get too obsessed with one thing or another along the way and then we got to try it again, try it again, try it again. The Tower of Babel.

It's the Tower of Babel. They build the tower. Everyone speaks the same language. God shatters the tower. Start over. That's the idea. Once humans reach to it, it's Icarus. It's like we get too close to the sun.

You incinerate yourself. That's one version of it. The other version of it actually is less apocalyptic which is that yeah a lot of the times that happens yeah but sometimes the other thing happens which is we figure it out we harmonize we figure it out and when that happens then history ends when because there's like that that's the end of the of the of the world at least by the way we look at it from the past, present, future. And when that happens, and it can happen, if we can blow ourselves up, if it is possible to split the atom and destroy the whole planet,

also, it must be possible, maybe through some philosophy that doesn't even exist yet or some non-existent technology or who knows what, for all of us to harmonize, to really stop being so aggressive with each other. Yeah. And I think that does happen sometimes. And when that happens, well, there's a lot of stories about it you know if anybody's listening right now in the future we're talking about this right while Russia has invaded Ukraine so Russia invaded Ukraine how many weeks ago was it it was a month ago how many months ago I don't know is it eight weeks or something I think eight weeks how long it's at least a couple months. So we're talking about this in the middle of a crazy dangerous time where the first time since my childhood, I really think that it's possible that we can get into a nuclear war.

Like when I was in high school, everybody was scared about Russian nuclear war. Like we're going to go to war with Russia. That was always a thought. It's terrifying. Terrifying. And now it's started to come up again now it's starting to come up like what happens if one person does this and it would have china goes into taiwan and what if this happens here and that happens there yeah and they just disable our fucking power grid and don't you think that like i i read an analysis of like there's all these questions that have

yet to be answered when you have nuclear powers. One of the questions is, we're looking at the, it's getting answered right now, which is what happens when a nuclear power invades a place and a war starts between that nuclear power and other nuclear powers. Obviously, right now, it's a, they're pretending that we're not at war with Russia. They're using like weird like ways of explaining it. It's the Ukrainians who are fighting. We're just giving them the weapons. And the training. And the training.

And the money. And the missiles. But we're like, it's not us. Imagine if your neighbor gave your enemy bullets to shoot at you like bro i'm not even involved in this right like imagine what are you talking about you gave him the bullets your neighbor's kids are fighting the other kids and you keep giving your neighbor's kids knives he's like hey you know you know like when you give them knives they cut up my kids jesus christ

and you're like look i'm just giving them oh my god it's such a great analogy because it really is a crazy thing to think we're not in it while we're giving them weapons well this is just how you know this is why wars like even the god i'm sorry it's just i don't read books like this that much this book on the american revolution what is it called again the cause it's called the cause but um that's they like the they didn't know it was happening like it's not like everyone's like this is a revolution i'm gonna order it right now it's so good the american revolution is discontent but they didn't know uh they didn't know what was happening until after the fact you know so when world wars break out it's not like right away.

It's like this is a world war, which I hope this isn't. I got it right here. But isn't that always the case? Yes. No one knows what the fuck is going on until after it's over. Right. When after it's over, then people know and then people can come up with all. Like that's one thing that drives me nuts about any big event whether it's 9-11 or the pandemic or anything any big event people

claim to know how it was organized and planned and like what they should have done and shouldn't have done like hey nobody knew what the fuck was going on what's happening that's that but no one wants to admit that pro or con like the people that are against the way the pandemic was handled need to look at it through that lens too. Like everybody needs to look at it through the lens of like, hey, no one knew. No one knew. No one knew. Where it gets squirrely is when they knew. When they already knew.

And then they kept behaving like they didn't know. Like you already know. You already know this is not a problem. What are you doing? Right. That's when it got weird. With the pandemic? Yeah.

That's when it got weird with like closing down outside restaurants, like outdoor dining. Never heard anything like this before. What the fuck are you doing? It actually helped, Joe. Yeah, for sure. It got people scared and they're willing to pay more taxes, which is the only way to fix this. And that is the only way to fix it. Also, this whole thing where kids need to be around other kids.

Come on! Get out of here. It's such a primitive way of looking at things, man. Did you see YouTube flagged one of Tim Dillon's videos? Because he was talking about that. Who's that gentleman who's running for mayor of Los Angeles? What is his name? The guy who was like a real estate developer.

Very wealthy character. I heard Tim talking about it. Just see if you can find the guy. So Dylan, he's going, so how do we fix this homeless problem? What are we going to do here? Well, there's shelters or we could put them in a big pot. Tell me more about this pot. Rick Caruso.

Yeah, I just saw it. Yeah, so him saying that, just clearly in a joke, tell me more about the pot that I'm going to throw homeless people in like I'm a witch. Fuck. The fact that they have to say, hey, you shouldn't say that. Like, what kind of nonsense network are you running where you can't have like super obvious parody? It's so obvious.

We're only going to, look, this is not supporting the opinion of burning homeless people this is saying like parody's got to be a viable alternative in terms of like the kind of comedy you seek it's fun monty python was parody what's the classic example of satire was john was it jonathan swift the the essay about how we should start eating the pork pork poor kids like it's like there's a whole essay it's called uh you know i'm talking about man it's called something solution but like it caused the same kind of controversy or like they were offended by it it's now considered one of the great works of satire but yeah man like you're supposed to be able to satirize things at that level without it being a modest proposal. That's where he's saying, yeah, he's saying the rich should eat kids.

A modest proposal for preventing the children of poor people from being a burden to their parents or the country, and for making them beneficial to the country. Eat them. Jesus Christ. Eat them. Swift. The early, maybe Tom Dillon is a reincarnation of Jonathan Swift. Regardless,

yeah, man, that is so fucked up that they would censor something that's obviously not suggesting cannibalism, but trying to- It's a joke. It's the Babylon Bee. It's a joke.

It's the Babylon Bee. They got banned off Twitter. They did? Yeah. It's the Babylon Bee. They got banned off Twitter. They did? Yeah. God damn it, Tony. You got me hooked on these vape pens. They're so good. You ever heard of these tobacco vape pens?

Are you fucking kidding me? They give you a tremendous head rush. Can I try it? Yeah, they make you think better. Dude, I got... I'm not kidding. No, I got... I'm not kidding.

They're like a nootropic. Tobacco, or nicotine I should say, is a nootropic. No, when I was... That's probably not good for you. So I leave them only two times when I'm bored. It's so good. Like if I'm on a plane and I can get away with it. It's so good.

It's good, right? The head rush. How does that feel? It's so good. That's nice, right? Yeah. And you know, like when you're inhaling, it's like, it shouldn't taste like that. No.

It shouldn't taste so good. What am I putting in my lungs? Well, the flavor I don't need, and they're outlawing the flavor, which makes me angry. Because it doesn't make any sense. Like, why can I buy whiskey, which I want to buy, and I can't- Come on, man. Why can't I buy cotton candy? I love cotton candy.

It turns your lungs in a- It bubbles your lungs. It's bad news. That does? Yeah, popcorn lung. From that stuff? Not according to Adam Curry. Not according to Adam Curry. What Adam Curry told me is... And Adam Curry, all hail to the podfather.

We are here because of him. All hail Adam Curry. That's true, right? He's number one. Really? 100%. 100% he is the podfather. He's the guy. He started it out. That's my homie.

What he said is, and I trust him impeccably. That's not the word. Impeccably, whatever. I do that all the time. Everyone knows what you mean. He said that it was a small batch of marijuana vape pens that were made very cheaply with very inferior oils. And they,

they really fuck people up. And, uh, I think some people died from it, right? Like people that were like heavy users died. I have heard of people that, um,

got pneumonia from it. They were doing it all the time. Even young people got really sick from it. I don't think it's necessarily healthy, but you know, the assumption holding onto it though, you don't think it's necessarily healthy but you know the assumption holding on to it though you don't i fucking love it i was i was hooked on these things at one point i love it so much no man they're great like they're so so hyper addictive but i mean yeah

nicotine it's like it definitely uh it definitely shamans use it shamans use it all the time they use it in the middle of ayahuasca ceremonies. They blow nicotine smoke in your face. But they're not doing something that tastes like cotton candy. I know, but the feeling is the same. Once you get past the taste of it, because the taste of cigarettes is gross. This is from Lung.org. Even though we know that diacetyl causes popcorn lung,

this chemical is found in many e-cigarette flavors. Shit! They added e-juice liquid by some e-cigarette companies to complement flavoring, such as vanilla, maple- Coconut! This is vanilla maple. Fuck! Coconut and more.

So while diacetyl was swiftly removed from popcorn products, since it could cause this devastating disease among factory workers. Okay. What kind of quantities are those folks taking in? Unfortunately. This is not a slight on factory workers. That is a fucking rough gig. That's like coal miners getting coal lung. You know what I'm saying?

E-cigarette users are now directly inhaling this harmful chemical into their lungs. In fact, researchers at Harvard found that 39 of the 51 e-cigarette brands contained diacetyl. Oh, fuck. The study also found two similarly harmful chemicals. God damn it, I'm going back to dipping. Two, three. Yeah, man. Pantanidione and acetone.

I'm sorry. Sorry, everybody. Acetone. Acetone. Acetone. Present, rather, in 23 and 46 of the 51 flavors tested. And roughly 92% of the e-cigarettes have one of the three chemicals present. Imagine if this was the only time the government's actually really looking out for you.

Right. Imagine if they're really banning these flavored e-cigarettes. But they're not banning, they're like leaving some alone. They're leaving the ones that don't have flavor, I think. Imagine if that's real. I feel like they're leaving the ones alone that we're like, thank you. How delicious. It's the best.

It's so delicious. Yeah, but for whatever reason in the world, there's these fucked up rules. It's the same thing where you can't, it's hard to come on MDMA. But here's the thing. I don't think it's the same. It is. But here's the thing about this is like the problem with these things is if you had like an absolute regulatory body that looked at all of the ingredients and made sure everything

was copasetic and everything was pure and clean and you know you're not going to get any harmful chemicals. And then they sold it only. And that's it. That would be okay. But it's kind of a renegade world.'s like the world of vitamins right the world of supplements yeah it's like kind of renegade you know you don't really you know who no fucking who's text you don't know who whipped this shit up who knows who knows you don't know like assemble this or

how about this they don't even know because they send it to somewhere to get it done i found that out when we were working on it when we first started with on, one of our supplements we sent out to third-party lab. We would send them regularly. But one of them we sent out, and it had like vitamin B12 and a bunch of other stuff in it that we didn't put in. Like, why is that in there? It's because these people that made the stuff before it in the same vats didn't clean it properly. So our stuff, that happens with MMA fighters all the time. They get contaminated supplements.

That happens with MMA fighters all the time. They get contaminated supplements. So if you buy some creatine, and it's made in some other country, and they don't have very strict standards on how they clean things, you're getting creatine right after they were making steroids. They could be making Anivar in the same fucking vat they're making creatine. And you get a little, and maybe, maybe, maybe they put a little in there. I want to get on steroids. And say, whoopsies.

I'd love to do steroids, Joe. Would you do genetic engineering? What if CRISPR comes along and could turn you into Thor? I can't. Like right now, because we want to have another baby, like I have to be careful. But I. Duncan's out there breeding. I love it.

I'm breeding. I love it. Yeah. I love it. You and Elon Musk. I got lucky, man. I've got someone that's like a wonderful mom. Oh, your wife is amazing.

She loves you. But dude- She's so nice and so fun and so smart. She is the best. She's cool as fuck. She's perfect for you. I see you guys together. I'm like, oh yeah, this is it.

You got to go through some fucking trials and tribulations. Yeah, man. But I can't- I'm glad you guys are here. Thank you. Dude, we are like, yeah, she's so sweet. Like when I was coming, she's like, tell Joe thank you for getting us to move here. Don't tell anybody. Yeah, I can't. I'm glad you guys are here. Thank, dude, we are like, yeah, she's so sweet. Like when I was coming, she's like,

tell Joe thank you for getting us to move here. Don't tell anybody. Yeah, don't come. It's a horrible place. It's terrible. It's not like the 80s.

It's not like, it's not like when things used to be. It's almost people's pit fire. Yeah, I, that, I don't know how they do that, but yeah,

yes, it's, it's brutal. It's brutal on these streets out here. Have you ever thought about what if demons are real? What if we're just cocky? We have this idea. What if demons are real? What if we're just cocky?

What if demons are gambling? What if demons are porn addictions? Anger. They're subtle demons, though. A demon that just takes over your... Yeah. Because it seems to be easy to fix that. All you have to do is read from the Bible, and they have to leave. The demons?

Yeah. No, they like it when you read the Bible. Don, you remember The Exorcist? The fucking reads the bible yeah reads the bible to it the demon can't take it and it goes away yeah yeah yeah it's pretty easy so they gotta be subtle yeah yeah they gotta be subtle they just gotta be cunts yeah maybe there's people out there that are cunts that don't want to be cunts but they're just possessed we'll see demon yeah i mean i don't i honestly i think it's a like sometimes if you're working on like trying to fix a habit just as a thought experiment pretend as a demon pretend a demon is making you do it you become more compelled to stop like a demon of

sloth the demon that's just like no man listen calling sick just relax you don't need to fucking exercise what are you doing you know like this the language is so important and like working with yourself you know and i think some of the language that we use right now is the identical thing now we say neurosis yeah we don't say demon we say neur neurosis. And actually Carl Jung recognized. I'm sorry. I don't want to let go of it. Carl Jung recognized that human personalities, they can fragment. And that's like a fractal or something. Some weird little piece of you via ignorance breaks off and gets like lost in your subconscious because you can't deal with the fact that that's part of you, which a lot of people, it's interesting.

A lot of people, they don't want to like, I mean, I get angry sometimes. I don't want to admit that I lose my temper because I find that to be very weak and I find that to be very like unfortunate. I've gotten a therapy for it. It helps, but it's easier for me to not admit it. be very weak and i find that to be very like unfortunate i've gotten a therapy for it it helps but it's easier for me to not admit it and by not admitting it if i get really good at not admitting it it sits like a fungus in the darkness and according to like some theorists it actually takes on its own life it gets its own weird little personality in its own self which is why some people sometimes something comes out of them and their friends are like who the fuck are you right

now right what is that it's like oh what you're seeing is a fragment of my personality that every once in a while surfaces embarrasses the shit out of me and then goes swimming back down another problem when you say things sometimes while you're saying them, you're not exactly sure what you're saying. And then you have to back it up. And then you have to stick with it. And then you have to defend it. Wow, yeah.

Because most of the time, like including this very second right now, I don't know what I'm going to say next. Right. Because I'm just winging it. You and I are best friends. We've been friends forever. Yeah. We don't have to prepare.

No. I don't know what the fuck you want to talk about. No. We're wearing costumes. Look at us. It's like there's a script. We're having what census is nonsense But when when human beings can figure out how to communicate like that if you can communicate in like the purest form Like you're not worried at all. Yeah, just you're just talking. We're just talking

Yeah each other that could fix everything with people Yeah I just get together and talk about we could have disagreements And we can have like the problem is like there's these hot-button things that are just undeniably awful whether it's crime or war Or or you know and and and horrific things. It's like how do you ever? How do you rationalize that those things are apart? How do you rationalize the fact that when we send drones out to the Middle East, that we kill a ridiculous amount of innocent people? Right.

Like more than half. It's some crazy number, right? Yeah. How would you ever, how can you ever justify that as a human? You can't. Right. So we kind of have to ignore it and find other things to get upset at. Yep.

Even though we know it's a thing. Right. We're not like all of us us banging on the door of the Pentagon going what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? You're shooting missiles in the fucking wedding parties because you think some guy's cell phone is in there that might be a terrorist?

Well how are you doing this on, how are you doing this in the early 2000s? What kind of fucking Windows 98 were you running that fucking thing on? How does this make sense? How does any of this make sense? Is a conversation, this is how you're gonna settle problems This is all going on simultaneously with your fucking mortgage being late and yourself not working

Yeah, dogs got diarrhea and your wife got into a fender bender and you fucking yeah I got in trouble at school and the fucking taxis are going up and the gas prices are going higher and there's no more water and they're finding bodies in Nevada and you thought you put that guy in the middle of the lake and he was a little too shallow and you never anticipated a drought. So awful when that happens. Did you see that body they found? Dude, I know.

I keep thinking about whoever that guy is. Like, just like, mother fuck. Right out of the movie Casino. I know, man. Guy in a barrel with a bullet in his head, dressed up like the 1970s. You think somebody was like, hey, listen, are you sure you want to put it there? You know, I've been looking at it. I saw this movie, An Inconvenient Truth.

I think the climate's going to change. We shouldn't put our barrels there. And he's like, hey, listen, shut the fuck up. There's no climate change. We'll dump our fucking barrels there. That lake's going to be there forever. And then barrels. Fuck, man.

That is such a rotten day. When you're looking at the news and your barrel showed up because of a drought. That sucks, man. And it's like 52 years later 52 years later. Yeah, everyone's probably dead everyone that killed that guy. I Don't know, you know, I don't know that we're the people get away with things like that There's people walking around have killed a bunch of people Yeah, whoopsies. Yeah, man. I mean we don't like deep deep deep deep in like that's the back

I like how they blurred out this fucking ancient body. Come on. I'm not a pussy. That's it. You could see it. Isn't that funny? Now I can see it. But before it was blurry.

Was that another image that you clicked on? So some one fucking bitch ass website blurred that. I don't even want to know. I don't even want to know. Oh, it's a Daily Mail. All right. Blur the barrel. New York Post didn't fucking blur shit.

That's what it's supposed to be. Look at that guy's bones. Yeah. They said he's dressed in 1970s attire. But look, you can see his fucking clothes have rotted around his body, much like the Empire State Building would. I think it's surprising how, like, no, what do you mean? I'm saying. Oh, the Empire State Building falling apart?

Terrible joke. You see his teeth? Holy shit, man. Holy shit. Wow. Holy shit. Wow. But that was Vegas, right? That was Vegas during the mob days. Yeah.

Vegas was run by the mob. Yeah. I bet if you were on the right side of the mob, it was probably a groovy time. To me, one of the big problems right now is that it's kind of like the animal videos you show. now is that it's kind of like the animal videos you show people don't want to admit that they're like whatever your morals and ethics are they're just something you've decided is right right there's so many people out there who probably look at your perspective as far as being non-murderous as being cute. They're like, oh, that's a cute person. Like, they're one of the cuties.

They think it's bad to kill. There are these people who are like, oh, it's fine. It's something, it doesn't really mean anything. It's just something you have to do sometimes because, you know, your business is kind of fucked up and to make things better, you just have to kill human beings. And, you know, our presidents, every American president is one of those people. They're like, yeah, you sometimes you got to drop bombs on people if you want to set things right.

Putin, one of those people. Sometimes you got to launch missiles into shopping malls if you want to set things right. Like, honestly, if you look at history, like all leaders generally are like violent, right? They resort to violence. Who hasn't been? Who hasn't been? Name one. Jimmy Carter? I don't, I mean, I guess you could say like, well, you know, if you're the president and there's a military and the military kills people, I guess the question would be more like, has there ever been a time in American history where the human history?

Let's go to human human history where like leaders weren't in some way or another killing. No, never, never. It's that David Attenborough documentary. It's left in us. The chimps killing the monkeys. Never. It's that David Attenborough documentary. It's left in us. The chimps killing the monkeys. Yeah. That sort of primal thing is a part of us, no matter what we do.

And until we agree to take Neuralink into our hearts and homes, I can't wait. They open up that quarter size. It's just a quarter. I don't care. A little piece of your skull. What do you need that quarter? I don't care if it's a half dollar. Your head is plenty big, okay?

And they can always seal it up later and make it even stronger open me up if you choose to be natural go back to being natural there'll be a few people in natural like great like unvaxxed i'm unvaxxed bro yeah got that good sperm i'm natural natural bro i can't speak 300 languages like you can i can't read minds and see through walls. Yeah, I'm natural. You fucking idiot. Yeah. It's like a person who likes to walk on barefoot. I don't like to drive a car. I'm in a Tesla.

I'm in a car that drives itself, you fucking idiot. Dude. You want to walk around everywhere? Yeah. You're going to get eaten. Yeah. We figured that out a long time ago. This is, by the way, Joe, this is, it's the same thing with sports.

Doping starts, right? So, like, they figure out a way to dope. Right. They don't get, it's not same thing with sports. Doping starts, right? So like they figure out a way to dope. Right. They don't get, it's not showing up on the tests. Everyone has to start doping to be competitive. Yes. Neuralink, it's going to be the same. But way, way, way bigger.

Way bigger. Way bigger. It won't, it'll seem like a choice, but it's like, all right. Here's your choice. You can be like one of the non neural link people and you are compared to all of the people who got it a blithering idiot moron you you guessing you forget things you gotta pull your phone out to get answers Yeah, yeah, you fucking dope. Yeah, you're gonna go to the library Yeah, good luck you fucking idiot. Yeah, you, are you going to go to the library and get the encyclopedia? Yeah, good luck. You fucking idiot.

Yeah. You just get the answer instantaneously in your mind. Yeah, you got to get the link. It's like, I'm sorry. You know, we've had 50 people interview for this position. 49 of them have the Neuralink. Yeah. And you don't.

You're not even boosted. So yeah, you're out. You're out. You're out. Yeah, that's the problem with that sort of technology. Not only that, it's just going to be the beginning. Once they pop that bitch out of its fucking egg, and then it becomes completely acceptable to get everything enhanced.

Why would you keep these stupid arms when you can have better arms? Yeah. You know, that you can sync up with your lover and get instant pleasure with each other like instant like super mdma dopamine rush yeah coming just yeah dude you would be a fool to not do that just like you'd be a fool to not wear shoes man you want to walk around with no shoes you fucking idiot i'm telling. It's just the beginning. I think part of why like the I think part of the reason right now like one of the like things that people are fixating on it like people changing

genders medically is like one of the reasons it's like upsetting people is uh, It's because we're beginning. It's the very beginning. It doesn't stop there. It's like right now, this is the black and white TV version of it. And it's going to get better and better and better with CRISPR and gene editing. It's already happening, whatever the vaccine I got. It's an mRNA. It's like my DNA is different now. It's going to keep coming. You're going gonna change your eye

color and then like where it gets really weird is like what about if you really can change like your ethnicity what about if you can like change species like all these weird questions emerge regarding like identity and like what is biology what is biology yours is your body yours are we gonna have regulations and what you can can't do right can you become the Hulk yeah become fucking Thor what if you become Phoenix and you have godlike powers yeah what if you you fix whatever the neural link is and enhance it a thousand fold yeah man I mean it's very threatening oh yeah but to me the great threat and the the the place that's so funny and is that right now if you let's say you're an incredible you're well you're an incredible comic okay you got to be an incredible comic

because you're super funny because you worked your ass off. You worked your ass off, tortured by Mitzi at the store, just working and working and working. And now you get to be one of the great comics. But what happens when everyone, just by getting an app, downloads the exact same skill set and they all become great with just a download now the the the boundary between becoming an expert and not being an expert which is time and discipline obliterated meaning that you can't there's no it's like you're great you're great at the piano let me stop you right there. Wouldn't that be great? Yes!

Wouldn't that be amazing? Everybody wants to look at that like it's a bad thing. It's good! It's amazing. No, it's amazing on every level. I'm saying it's amazing, but it's funny in that you're going to deal with people who are like, no, you downloaded it. I worked my fingers to the bone to get there. They have to understand the reward is in the fact that you did do it.

You get a reward as far as your understanding of your ability to overcome adversity and to figure things out. Yes. You get a reward in that. You should be thankful that you went through it that way. If they can develop a program that can make you Alan Watts without ever going through all the training Alan Watts did, Why wouldn't you do it? Why wouldn't you do it? Why wouldn't you understand how he saw the world? Why wouldn't you understand how Bertrand Russell looked at reality? Why wouldn't you want to? I would want to. We all would want to. I would love it. It doesn't mean it's inferior. It just means it's new. Just like it's not inferior if you drive to California versus if

you fucking walk. It's not inferior. It's just a new way to do it. Right. Don't be stupid. Yeah. Like, if you can become Chris Rock with, like, a fucking app, do it, stupid.

You don't want to be Chris Rock? What, are you crazy? You don't want to be that funny? Yeah, exactly. Of course you should do it. You don't want to be Michio Kaku, like, almost instantaneously? Yeah.

That guy studied physics his whole life. Yeah. He's been a science educator, and he's figured out a way to make super complex, radical ideas digestible to morons like me. Like he's figured out a way to do that in conversation. He's amazing at it. You wouldn't want to be able to do that instantly? Right.

Fuck yeah. Of course you would. And we're getting little trickles of it with audio books and podcasts with fascinating people. Yeah. We're getting little trickles of it with audio books and podcasts with fascinating people. We're getting little trickles of it. I think people know more about shit today, right now, in 2022, in July, July 4th, Independence Day,

than ever in what we know of as human history. What we know of. And I think we are never aware of it while it's happening. Take it for granted. Yeah, while it's happening, we're like, oh, you know, just normal, I mean, fucking, whatever. But what's going on is some wild reshaping of what it means to be a human being.

Yes, right. That's it. See what's going on in the Netherlands right now? No. They're trying to ban farmers from having a certain amount of emissions. So, farmers are fucking freaking out. You're trying to close farms, you fucking idiots. We need food. Yeah, man.

Like nitrogen emissions, they're putting very strict standards on them. So these farmers are blocking highways and shit with tractors and lighting buildings on fire. They're going nuts. Like, who the fuck wants to stop making food? Well, I mean, that's one of the

main, like, lines in the current conspiracy conversation is they want us to eat bugs. You see this? See if you can find this. This is wild. This is wild shit. Because not having a backup plan and crisis rages in the Netherlands as farmers block food warehouses over emission rules. Dutch farmers angry at government proposal to slash emissions have used tractors and lorries to block supermarket distribution centers today.

Now, of course, I am all in favor of farmers having less emissions. Everybody is. But if you think you're just going to stop farms, they are fuming at plans to slash pollutants such as nitrogen, oxide, and ammonia by 50% by 2030. The Netherlands farmers claim the move unfairly targets them and shows little regard for their future and the future of the agricultural sector, which is vital to the economy. I think nobody knows how to run a fucking farm other than farmers. And those dudes are clawing.

Why are people fucking with farmers so much by the way like it's a war against farmers like they have it's like that is a brutal fucking job man job that's and like everyone depends on them being able to do it but holy shit man they really like for the for the longest time people just fuck with them, man. Like it is like insane that the opposite isn't happening. You're supposed to be helping them. That's where, that's how, that's like how our kids get bread. Yes, yes. Like, and especially with the shit happening in the Ukraine.

Yes. You're going to disrupt the fucking ability to like make food even more? It's crazy. But is it short-sighted is it just a pure focus on environment rather than the economy and people's lives and their their ability to make a living or is it something that conspiracy theories have always talked about this is where it gets scary because even if it's not a real conspiracy theory, goddammit, it follows all the right paths. Get people poor and hungry and you can control them. Ration off food. Figure out a way to get it to them. You don't have

any autonomy anymore. You got to listen to the government. You will own nothing and you will be happy. That. You will own nothing and you will be happy is what the World Economic Forum said. Okay. Now- You know the predictions by 2030? Have you seen that? No.

You've never seen that? I know that. You see that video? You see the video they released? No. You need to watch it. Let's see it. Because at the beginning of the – everyone's smiling.

It says you will own – by predictions of 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy. I knew he said that. Imagine. happy. I knew he said that. Imagine in a world where capitalism has lift people out of the chaos of the past and gotten people to this weird place, definitely imperfect. But one of the things about people driving and striving for success is someone legitimately that doesn't have anything, that grows up in a disadvantaged position, can through sheer will and thought and planning and discipline and drive, overcome all those obstacles and become an extraordinary success and not just that but a beacon of light for a young kid

who lives in the exact same scenario, the exact same situation. But they're going to say, no, they're gonna say no no more competition who are competition Duncan you got the video I mean I do think it's safe you will own nothing you'll own nothing and you'll be happy would it be happy don't cunt as opposed to like owning a bunch of shit and being miserable which sadly a lot of people are in that situation too but they're missing the whole point the point is like you should be able to do whatever you want, but you should figure out a way to be happy. And thinking about all that stuff too much,

whether you can or can't have it, is all detrimental. All of it's detrimental. Focusing on it is detrimental. What you want to do, what you really want to do, is to get to a place in your life where you don't have to think about things. What does it say? Here are eight predictions for the world by 2030. Give me a full screen, please.

You will own nothing and you'll be happy. What? You will own nothing and you'll be happy. Whatever you want, you'll rent and it'll be delivered by drone. This isn't real. This is real. The US won't be the world's leading superpower. A handful of countries will dominate.

You won't die waiting for an organ donor. That's nice. This is where it gets better. Look, we won't transplant organs. We'll print new ones instead. You're going to be better, Duncan. You'll eat much less meat. An occasional treat, not a staple, for the good of the environment and our health.

A billion people will be displaced by climate change by 2030. An occasional treat, not a staple, for the good of the environment and our health. A billion people will be displaced by climate change by 2030. We'll have to do a better job at welcoming and integrating refugees. Come on in. Polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide. You're paying for every fart. Including you. To be a global price on carbon. We found out you eat a lot of tacos and you fart again. And that's a real problem.

You have to wear a new kind of underwear that like meters your farts and you get a bill at the end of the month. That sucks so bad. How do you find out who the people in the house are the biggest farters? You find out it's your fucking kid. My kid, you cost me $30, you little breed of eating freak. Hold it in. We can't afford you farting this much You can't just fart like that We'll develop fart tubes that attach to your butthole when you go to the toilet you have to run to the toilet to fart I mean that that that kind of stuff. That's real. What's interesting to me about that kind of stuff is that

They whoever some there was meetings. Someone theoretically made that. Imagining, I guess, like, they'll love it. Did they, did you get it done? This is great. Well, here's the thing you're targeting. People don't have anything already. If you can target people that are on the way up, like college kids and high school kids,

those are the best people to get this idea, like this whole thing about the haves and the have-nots, that's bullshit. You should have everything. Everybody should have everything. You should have what everybody else has. Income inequality is bullshit. The guy who flips burgers should make the same amount a CEO makes. And then we just sort out

what you want to do with your life. Everybody has an equal amount of money no matter what you do. Okay, but wait. The government has to handle that, Duncan. That's the problem. The government parts... Give me my robot deck. I love it. The government parts the problem.

It's like, okay, when you go to like, I don't know, when you go and get fast food, right? Right. You kind of do have to forget. You can't think about the fact that the people working there are not being paid a living wage. How about that poor chicken? You're going to have that chicken sandwich?

What kind of life did that fucking chicken have, bro? Well, yeah, but at least the chicken doesn't have to clock in. Do you know how many animals we kill an hour? I can't even imagine. A million. Wow. That's a lot of animals animals I might have made that up find out that's true I think I probably saw that in someone's tick-tock what I'm saying is like

the the problem with this stuff is you have people who are so disconnected right from society that their compassion is being warped by their disconnect from what people are experiencing and it makes them seem sinister. Oh my god it's more. According to one estimate, 200 million land animals are slaughtered around the world every single day. That's 72 billion a year. In the United States alone, roughly 25 million animals are slaughtered every single day. An average slaughterhouse kills up to 1,100 pigs every single hour. Jesus. Yo.

Yo. U.S. animal kill clock, 28 billion. Oh, Jesus. Jesus Christ. For food this year in the United States. Yeah. Whoa. So we have to reconcile with that right but then we have to reconcile with we have all these animals do we neuter them and then let them die of old age and get to a manageable

population and how do we do that do we let them free if we let them free what's gonna ensure that they don't overpopulate and disease right right but this is where we run into problems is because there are people like you know whoever ends up being the leader or whatever they they go crazy they get they get sick they're you're not number one humans are free. You don't get to be the thing that decides how we do it. Right. But you've become so mentally ill that you think it makes sense that you're not just dictating your own personal, your own life and what you can and can't do. You think it makes sense that you're dictating the way the whole planet should fucking live.

Yes. And the other reason it's fucked up is because, you know, it's like what Graeber used to say, you know, behind every, like, form at the DMV or wherever, behind every government form, there's a dude with a gun. Who's Graeber? David Graeber. He's like this great author, philosopher. He's not with us anymore, sadly.

But he... Yes, this is a good point though what you just said so it's not like this is a person who's like gandhi who's charismatic and being like there's a better way to live and we're all inspired and like you know what i'm gonna eat less meat it's more along the lines of like listen here's what we're gonna do we're gonna impose regulations over time that you will adhere to not because you want to but because we have people in incredibly tough armor that have guns and they're gonna arrest you if you don't do what we want you to do so it's coercive through violence meaning that the entire statement of like you should do this it doesn't matter

you're just a tyrant pretending to be a fucking humanist and as long as there's people with guns who are behind you who are going to make people do the thing the human shift has to happen individually it has to happen because a majority of us wake up and, you know, like what you're saying, become a little more kind, become a little more generous. It can't happen through tyranny. No. If it does, then it's not even real anyway. It's like when you— It's just going to follow all the other patterns of tyranny.

Yes, exactly. They're predictable. Predictable. And it won't work. Not only that, they're the only thing that we know. We don't have any history of it never happening that way. Right. And it's just, it's like every, like the assumption when it comes to tyrants, they're evil.

No, they're, they're, they just, they, sadly, they fucking think that what they're doing makes sense, that it has to be done. They don't want to do it it's like oh my god there's no choice we must invade we must arrest we must attack because there's a greater future right around the corner and people just don't understand it and their time is running out time is running out we don't have time to talk to people and be like, listen, you have to eat less meat and drive less. So what's left? We arrest them. We terrify them. We ostracize them. We get rid of their jobs or whatever. And this is bullshit. It won't work. Well, what scares people is that it's not even the most effective

way to tackle climate change. It's one of the many, many, many, many factors. And that factor, we have to figure out how to feed people. Like if people are going to Chick-fil-A every day and they're eating chicken sandwiches and they don't really know where the chickens are coming from and now they do. Okay. What's the right way to handle this? Is there a way ever to feed people the way we do now in an ethical way? Is there a way to have chickens that are free-ranging and have as many chicken sandwiches dished out every day? Lab-grown meat. That might be the only way.

But what do they do about those companies that have been making chickens that you and I have been eating for all these years? Are we mad at them or are we mad at ourselves? Right. We knew about it. You and I know about it. I fucking buy Chick-fil-A. If I'm tired and that's when I make my worst choices, especially like, I've been good all

week. I've been fucking eating clean all week. Yeah. And I'll just go, fuck it, Chick-fil-A, spicy chicken sandwich. Let's go gluten. The best. Let's go gluten. Give me a dark cocoa.

Pick fucking one. One that doesn't even fit in the little drink holder. That's my favorite soda. I'm a glutton. I like a big one. Oh, you mean like the weird barrels? Yeah, it doesn't even fit in there. You just got to put it next to your cell phone.

It doesn't fit in your fucking center console. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. You got to cool your dick off. You got to put it in between your legs. Fucking huge. Yeah, huge, huge. Unnatural. It's American as fuck.

It's as American as the Fourth of July. A big gulp. Yeah. Giant ass big gulp. Right. Right's American as fuck. It's as American as the Fourth of July. A big gulp. Yeah. Giant ass big gulp. Right. Right? That's ridiculous. If you got one of those in a chicken sandwich, you're contributing to chicken holocaust.

And I'm like, I've raised chickens and I understand what a chicken is. And I love my chickens and I'm sad that they got murdered by coyotes. But at the end of the day, chickens don't give a fuck about you. I'm not saying you should be mean to chickens. You certainly should be kind to them. But I've told the story ad nauseum. This chicken pecked at my daughter's feet when she was like two. And my wife was like, oh, the chicken thinks her foot is a worm. I go, no, it's trying to fucking eat her. Understand that's a little dinosaur. It's not like thinking that's a worm. It's a little thing that it thinks it can attack because it's not much bigger than it. And

it took a shot, took a shot at picking at it. They pick at each other, man. And I grabbed that fucking chicken by the neck. And I looked it in the eye and I go, I will fucking kill you. What did it say? Did it say anything? And I let it go and it never fucked with the kids again.

And I'm not bullshitting. Wow. I am not bullshitting. Wow. Because that chicken had it in its head. That it's going to peck your kids. The big ape had its hands around its neck and it knew it was totally helpless. Right. It had one hand on its breast and it was like clawing at me and one hand on its head. That was going to peck your kids. The big ape had its hands around its neck and it knew it was

totally helpless. I had one hand on its breast and it was like clawing at me and one hand on its neck. I go, I will fucking kill you. And then I brought it

back to the chicken coop and I let it go and I never touched it again. And it never fucked with anybody after that. It had to know that you can't eat kids,

you piece of shit. So I'm not anti-chicken but they're heartless little fucking dinosaurs and if you ever saw the way they attack a mouse, you would have a completely new view of what a shit so i'm not anti-chicken but they're heartless little fucking dinosaurs and if you ever saw the way they attack a mouse you would have a completely new view of what a fucking chicken is first of all i've never thought of chickens as like the apex of morality among birds like that's all birds i mean

i've never had a chicken opinion i love crows but like crows are fucking cruel. But yeah, man, I mean, look, I don't know. I think like. They're ruthless, bro. Dude, crows? Chickens. Now, chickens, yeah. You gotta see a chicken with a mouse. Have you ever seen a chicken with a mouse?

What, do they torture it or something? Destroy it. So fast, it's wild. I never told you the story about the hawk at my house? No. Okay. fast it's wild that i never told you the story about the hawk in my house no okay at my old house i had a fucking fence and they replaced the fence um with glass right and then the hawks didn't understand that so they slammed into the fence oh fuck yeah not just one but multiple that sucks it sucked it sucked and you know it was one of those things. It was like, we've got to figure this out or do we have to take this fence down?

We found a hawk that was KO'd. Cuckoo, cuckoo. In the yard. Yeah. And my wife and my kids took this hawk and nursed it back to health. Wow. For the weekend because the wildlife place, the wildlife rescue place wasn't open until like a day or something like that.

Yeah. So they went to the pet store and got these things called pinkies you know what a pinky is yeah it's a tiny mouse it's like it's not going to live on its own yes they separate them or tiny rat separated from its mother it's fucking horrifying horrible so they fed pinkies to this hawk i was on the road doing stand-up i come back home and they got this hawk they tell me the whole story you know we're FaceTiming, fun times. And then they explain to me that there's one pinky left, and they want to keep the pinky and raise it.

So, you know, daddy has to explain, it's going to die, honey, no matter what. Right. This doesn't have its mother. It can't even nurse. Right. You would have to find some kind of formula to give it. But the idea of raising this,'s not it's not gonna work it's separated from its mother too soon so they're like what do you want to do i'm like well we should feed it to the chickens and

like do you think the chickens will eat it i'm like i fucking know the chickens will eat it so i put this little pinky down in the chicken coop dive on it with a fucking speed Like Raptors and they grab it and they're all fucking chasing each other around trying to pull this pinky apart out of their mouths I was like, holy fuck Jesus Christ dude. It's it was Ferocious, I mean that thing wasn't on the ground for one second when they dove on it. They knew exactly what it was Instantaneously and they tore it apart. They tore it apart like crocodiles. Like if you threw a duck into a fucking cage with crocodiles, they'd just tear it apart. That's what they did. They just smashed that thing. So there's, there's a little baby mouse. They're going to give this to this chicken. This is common?

Oh, a hundred percent. Watch this. Watch this. Look, look how it jumps up and snatches it. And then it runs away with it and they all try to steal it. Look how they do that. Look, they steal it from each other. Well, it already swallowed it. That's how badass these fucking birds are. They're ferocious, dude, because that's what they evolved to do, to kill rodents that are out there in your field.

That's how they probably developed this sort of symbiotic agricultural relationship with people yeah these fucking things are ruthless man and when you see them picking i know how much you love your kids if your son was a toddler like a little two-year-old forget it and you saw that chicken go after his feet yeah no dude it would be bad it's a primal feeling that comes about you realize like this animal is trying to eat your kid. Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird feeling. Again, I don't want chickens to be fucking caged up. Right.

I feel terrible for even admitting that I've had chicken sandwiches from fast food places, but I don't want to lie. I have. I haven't had them in years. It's probably been the last time I had a Chick-fil-A is probably a year and a half ago. Are you serious? Maybe two years. Yeah, I've been trying to stop.

I've been trying to avoid it. I've been trying to get meat from either if I buy steak, I want to get it from a rancher that's like a reputable, you know, like a good rancher. Especially like ones who practice renewable agriculture. That's possible here in Texas. Or I eat my own meat, the elk that I've hunted. It's wild how hunters inevitably become more into animal rights than almost anybody outside of activists. There's an attack right now. We should talk about this because the Pittman-Robertson Act is this act that I think it's in Georgia. They're challenging it. And what the Pittman-Robertson Act is, is like one of the ways that they use funds, that they get funds to protect wildlife habitat and protect like wild animals, make sure their populations are healthy and hire biologists, is through the tax that's on all outdoor activity stuff.

Like say if you're a guy who doesn't even hunt, but you go to the range, you buy bullets. Yeah. I think it's like 10% of all that revenue goes to the Pittman-Robertson Act, and it's responsible for billions of dollars in conservation money. And people are trying to fight against that because they don't want that tax anymore. It's probably like a lot of people like guns, but they don't want to hunt. Right. It's like, why am I paying that? And so they're just rejecting the idea of taxation. But it's a crazy, beautiful thing that, ironically, Theodore Roosevelt came up with.

I don't know if it's ironically, but his idea of, like, protecting all these lands in this country and then them figuring out from that, like, well, how do we come up with the money to protect this? Oh, we'll just tax all the fishing rods and tax all the tents and tax all. And they just accepted that, and that has been the number one way that conservation has been funded in this country in terms of wildlife conservation, in terms of habitat preservation. Right. That's all from that kind of money. It's billions and billions of dollars.

It's really interesting. So the hunters and the fisher people, the fishermen and fisher women or fishing non-binary people, those folks are the ones who are spending all the money to fix everything. And all the animal rights activists, I don't think they contribute nearly as much. I don't think it's even close. The most money contributed to wildlife habitat preservation comes from people who shoot guns. I think that's primary. I think bullets is like the number one thing because this is America. And then there's like fishing and hunting gear after that. I had no idea.

Yeah. So when people want to talk about like anti-hunting and wildlife preservation, you have to understand this stuff doesn't – the way we've done this country, the way we've set up cities't the way we've done this country the way we've set up Cities and the way we've fucked with environments and polluted rivers and we've done a lot of shit We've wiped out a lot of a ton of fucking animals that used to be all over the place We're just within the last couple of hundred years and we're doing our best to repopulate those animals But all that money comes from hunting no way Yeah

It's crazy all the money the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation all that money comes from hunting. No way. Yeah, it's crazy. All the money, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, all the money to reintroduce elk populations into new places like Kentucky and all these where they're thriving now, where they actually even have hunting seasons, all where they used to be extinct. And now they have like viable populations that they actually have to control. Right. All that comes from hunting. And bullets. Bullets, number one. Bullets, I think, more than anything. Find out what that is. Pittman-Robertson Act, what's the percentage of it that comes from it? Is it a Supreme Court thing that's happening right now? No, no, no, no, no. I think it's one state is challenging it, and it could be,

because a lot of people that are gun activists don't like it because they think it's like you're stealing money. Congressman introduces bill repealing Pittman-Robertson. It's one of those things where the government stepping in and taking money has led to some pretty fucking substantial progress. Okay. In a case my Democrat colleagues forgot, the Bill of Rights enumerates rights to which the government cannot infringe. Unquestionably, infringement exists when the government taxes those rights to limit the people's ability to

exercise them, Representative Clyde said in a press release. As assaults against American Second Amendment freedoms continue to emerge, so do treacherous threats that seek to weaponize taxation in order to price this constitutional right out of the reach of the average Americans. Hmm. I feel like that's the opposite of what I'm saying. As assaults against American Second Amendment freedoms continue to emerge, so do treacherous threats that seek to weaponize taxation.

Well, that's what they're saying, like weaponizing taxation in order to price this constitutional right. That's like in favor of keeping the Pittman-Robertson Act. Doesn't that sound like that to you? Dude, I think they're saying like that the tax is like designed to keep people from, it's like an attack on like the right to bear arms. They're trying to connect the act to the second, like it goes against the second amendment look what it says here anyway um representative clyde elaborates on his desire to repeal the excise tax later in his press release he says this tax infringes on americans ability to exercise their second amendment rights

okay because you have to pay more is that what he's saying and creates a dangerous opportunity for the government to weaponize taxation to price this this unalienable right out of reach. Like what they did with cigarettes. It's like, you know, make it like tax the shit out of it. And then people. The problem is in this case, from what I understand, that money has gone and been a very important part of conservation. Very, very important part. Right.

part of conservation. Very, very important part. Yeah. Right. It says the Pittman-Robertson alone generated over $1 billion each year from 2020 to 2021. $1 billion each year to preserve wildlife habitats. Our conservation model is funded and supported by America's hunters, shooters, anglers, boaters, and other outdoor enthusiasts. But I think the number one thing is shooters. Find out what the number one contributor to the Pittman-Robertson Act is. I think it's competitive shooters and target shooters and recreational shooters.

I think that's more than anything because those motherfuckers spend a lot of money. They get addicted to shooting things. They go to the range all the time. You buy bullets. That's expensive. Bullets are expensive? Sure. Do you want to go to the range and shoot a lot?

Yeah, it's expensive. How much is a bullet? We could find out. I don't think they sell you a bullet. That's like that Chris Rock joke about wanting one wing. That's sinister. If you go in and try to buy one bullet. I just want one bullet. I just want one bullet.

I just need one. Y'all have a place with a plastic floor? Oh, God. Man. Yeah. Well, you know, I think things actually are going to get better. I think they're getting better too. But I think this panic about them not getting better is good because it ultimately enforces,

it forces debate, it forces discussion. But I think we gotta adhere to those important rules. And I know that I've violated them myself upon occasion. Revenues generated from the excise tax vary. Okay. Level of, total of $6.2 billion in 2018 dollars of revenue. Ammunition accounted for $2.1 billion. Yeah.

Firearms for $1.9. So those are the most. Ammunition, number one. Firearms, number two. Pistols and revolvers, $1.7. Number three. And archery equipment, $0.5 billion. 8% of the total.

So archery equipment is only 8% of the total so archery equipment is only 8% of the total in 2018 dollars the revenue is attributable to half the revenues generated from excise taxes on pistols, revolvers and archery equipment accounted for 17% of the total revenue so that's number one

yeah so that's what those gun nuts are mad at they don't hunt and they're like why are you taxing me? Why are you making me spend more money? But, you know, I would think they should just look at how good that's been. It's been very good for this country. For the environment. Very good.

It's also very good as an argument for the good about that industry and the good about the outdoor industry and the good about hunting and angling and you know hiking camping it's all it actually does lead to improvements in certain areas and also management of wildlife numbers it's really complicated man management and wildlife numbers is wild shit literally going all the way back to the root of the issue Pittman Robertson was enacted on bipartisan lines in the US House and Senate not to tax firearms. It was enacted to fund wildlife conservation through the purchase of firearms.

That might sound like splitting hairs, but there's a big difference between the two. Even in 1937, I can't imagine a tax just to squeeze firearm owners would have gone anywhere. So they added it, but I'm sure they're using it for other shit too. I don't know where the money's going. But I do know that from the people that I know, that I trust, that really understand this issue, that it's been very beneficial. And also it's like, it's also a very complicated thing. Managing wildlife is really complicated. I'm sure.

Like it sucks. It's weird that we have to do it. It's fucking weird. But it's a reality of developing cities all over a continent. And then having areas where the wild animals live in a wild way. Yeah. It's fucking weird, but it's a reality of developing cities all over a continent and then having areas where the wild animals live in a wild way. Yeah. You got to protect them in some ways.

You got to manage populations. You got to manage predators. Right. You got to figure out how to keep everything going well and make sure that these animals don't go extinct. We fucking hate when animals go extinct. It's a horrible... If we think of ourselves as like the shepherds of the land and we kind of do if if something like a mule deer goes extinct we'll be fucking devastated

right what did we do losers right it is interesting that we recognize that you have to manage populations of animals right but then it's only because we live here right if we didn't live here we wouldn't have to we we came in we're like the fucking mob bosses of the neighborhood they're like hey bears you can't fucking kill all the dogs right that's my dog right like hey all right we're gonna fucking we're gonna have to make a gang war and you're gonna have to kill some of the bears off and you gotta get the bear scared of guns did you ever read the stand can i have a puff on that thing remember the part i read it when i was like fucking 18 or 19 though and then i watched uh i tried to watch that there's a movie about it right

yes there's a few but one of the coolest parts it's a little scene this guy's like you know they're all like uh just trying to make their way to like two different places and one like you know bad man vegas this up mother abigail summoning people to some other place everyone's having these visions but because there is no hunting anymore and there's no like conservation or regulation there's like deer that are like just thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of deer that have exponentially like reproduced with no predators nothing like to cull the population and it's like one of the things that that like happens at the apocalypse is all these fucking like biomes go like crazy because there's nothing there to balance them anymore yeah and it's such a cool scene you

know but yeah because like don't deer reproduce exponentially, right? Like, if you don't control the population, it, like, explodes. Well, they'll explode pretty quickly. I mean, they can get to a point where they're running around, like, in a couple of weeks. They come right out walking. Right. And if you have a population that's not getting preyed upon, like, you know what they did in New Zealand? New Zealand's a beautiful place, and Europeans came there, and they said they said you know what be awesome if we turn this into a hunting paradise

So they brought over a bunch of animals like stags and shit Yeah I'm loose and all these invasive species dominate the mountains of New Zealand and people go over there to hunt them And there's but they have no predators sometimes they have to like shoot them because there's too many of them So if it takes some of them out. That, see what you just said, that's what the Anunnaki are thinking. They're like, we got to get back to planet earth. The population is running amok, going and do a cull, thin them out a little bit. That's the thing we call the, uh, we do that to us, Duncan. We're amazing. We have Bitcoin and NFTs. Listen, they're going to trust that

we're going to get it right. Okay. We have non-gender specific bathrooms now. We're getting better. They're not going to just wipe us out, Duncan. We're compliant. Okay. There's new rules and new regulations. And maybe you need to think about other people and step in line and stop thinking. Stop thinking about yourself. Don't shoot the messenger. You will own nothing and you will be happy. I will not be happy, but I might own nothing. I'll be miserable, but I'll probably own nothing. You'll have to borrow it from the government. Can I borrow my shoes? What I don't get about that part is it's saying everyone's going to rent.

So if everyone's renting, who are they renting from? Who are the owners? You will own nothing and you will be happy. But who are, like, if they've gone into detail about who are we renting from? No, what we have to worry about is other things. No, I want to know who I'm renting from. No, no, no. We have to worry about the environment.

I am worried. We have to worry about getting rid of all these fossil burning cars, Duncan. I am. Stop eating meat, Duncan. But I want to own my house. Don't worry about. No, no, no. Don't worry about getting rid of all these fossil burning cars, Duncan. I am. Stop eating meat, Duncan. But I want to own my house. Don't worry about. No, no, no. Don't worry about who owns the house.

Worry about why you eat so much meat. I don't want to eat bugs. No. Yeah. You can't just say no. You should eat bugs. They're good. They're disgusting.

I don't want to. If I have one more fucking cricket. They grind them up and they make a nice steak out of it. Dude, did you see that video of when they were turning mosquitoes into fucking hamburgers? Yeah, yeah. We played that many times. They take a pot and they swing it in the air. Gross, dude.

Collect all the mosquitoes. With all the blood. Not only that, malaria. I think you would cook the malaria. I bet when you cook it, you cook it out. Like pork? Like trichinosis? I'm pretty sure you cook the malaria out.

I doubt you can get malaria from eating a mosquito burger. How wild is trichinosis? Trichinosis is like a little thing that gets inside all your muscle tissue. And if someone eats you, they get trichinosis. Dude, it's so fucked up. Because all those assholes who try to bury a pig in their yard during a party. You ever been to a party where they try to do that? Oh, and they don't cook it right?

Dude, I was at a party. No. They had a fucking pig they try to do that? Oh, and they don't cook it right? Dude, I was at a party. No. They had a fucking pig. They were going to try to do whatever that is and it was like, obviously someone had not even researched

how you're supposed to do that. So they dig a pit. They're trying to replicate whatever the style of cooking pig is. Takes forever. No, they do. Like at the beginning of the party,

they're throwing the fucking pig in there thinking like it's like like a grill you're just gonna like hot dogs so you know everyone's getting hungry a few hours have passed you could smell it smells good they like unearth the pig it is not even close to being cooked but some of these people they're drunk they're stoned so you're watching these people like over and trying to size up. No thermometer. Just sizing up what looks like cooked pork and just eating little bits and pieces off of it. Trichinosis. That's how you get it, right?

Yeah. Uncooked pork. Especially wild pork. They don't think it's that common in domestic pork anymore, but if you get a wild hog and you shoot it, that's almost 100%. If you have any kind of animal, like a bear, like wild bear, if you eat bear, you're getting a large percentage trichinosis. A large percentage of them.

Excuse me. Large percentage of them. Percentage. Have them. Have it. And I know a bunch of people who've gotten trichinosis. It's a worm, right? Yeah.

It gets into your muscle cells and you're like in agony. Like it hurts. Like you're aching. Is there a cure? Not really. You have it. And then if you have it, like when you die, if somebody eats you, they get it. Good.

That's how it spreads. That's how it spreads. Animals eat other animals and they get it. And also That's how it spreads. That's how it spreads. Animals eat other animals and they get it. And also, it probably spreads through a bunch of other ways too, but that's a big one. And I think some crazy number of people that get it in the United States get it from eating black bear. I think that's a wild number. How many people eat black bear? Quite a bit.

No shit. Yeah, you'd be stunned. In the early days um the uh early pioneers used to eat bear they would eat bear that was their meat of choice huh because it tasted a lot like beef and deer they used for skins interesting buck skin that's why a buck that's where the term a buck comes from comes from a skin it's worth no shit yeah that's what a buck one buck it's like a buck skin have you eaten bear, that's what a buck, one buck, it's like a buck skin. Have you eaten bear? Yeah.

What's it taste like? Like a cow fucked a pig. It's weird. It's a weird animal. It's like it tastes good, but it's like we think of them as, Steve Rinella says it best. He says they're charismatic megafauna,

so people get really bummed out if you eat bears, but bears eat people. They'll eat your fucking baby. They'll eat your dog. They eat deer alive. They're horrific. Dude, in North Carolina, out if you eat bears but bears eat people they'll eat your fucking baby they'll eat your dog they deer alive it's they're horrific dude in north carolina they were getting into our trash all the time and what like at first it's kind of cute it's like oh the bear then you're like fuck this i'm cleaning up you know not by the way i i was bitching about it online and people were like

yelling at me for not like protecting the trash so So I did. I strapped it down, did anything that it would take. But like they would still like knock your cans over. My wife and I like we're so mad at these things towards the end that one of them's in our trash. We're on the porch like get the fuck away from here. The bear gallops down our yard, climbs in a tree and we're like go and it yelled at us it like yelled back like it made this weird shriek at us yeah and then went off into the woods they're dangerous man i don't know i don't think honestly these bears they did not

seem like dangerous they didn't seem dangerous right Right. Until they are. They seem mystical kind of. Like they seem sweet. Oh, okay. They did. They were like... They're wild animals. Well, I'm not going to go try to ride one or something. They're not mystical. I mean, if you trip and you break your ankle in the woods and you're like crawling around and they...

Maybe you got a compound fracture. Yeah. Blood's coming out of your ankle. They're going to eat you, dude. 100%. A black bear? 100%. Black bears are very predatory. I know a dude who told me a story.

This guy was camping for the very first time. First ever hunting trip. And he's in his tent sleeping. And a 500-pound predatory black bear gets into the tent and tries to kill him. Oh, my God. His friend shoots the bear. The bullet goes through the bear, hits him in the wrist, fucks his wrist up. And then another guy shoots the bear as it exits the tent.

So this guy got shot in the wrist. He got mauled by a bear on his very first hunting trip by a predatory black bear. Oh, my God. How bad was the mauling? Not good. It by a predatory black bear. Oh, my God. How bad was the mauling? Not good. It's a 500-pound bear. I mean, I don't know the specifics of his injuries, but they're insanely strong and huge.

It was a huge predatory bear, and it probably had eaten a hiker before. People disappear in the wilderness all the time. All the time. And if you're out there and you just go for a hike and they don't find you for three months, there's nothing left, man. There's nothing left. Not a fucking thing. They might find some bone chips and shit, but they have to find the right spot. Most everything is going to get eaten by

everything, everything by bears, by whatever animals around rats, everything's going to eat it. And it's going to just be recognized as a source of food for months and months and months. And then when you go there, you know, someone goes looking for you a year later. What are they going to find, man? A shoe? I don't know anyone. None of my friends have made me more afraid of bears than you have. Your ability to describe bear attacks is unprecedented.

Like somehow you like. I've seen them. That like... I've seen them. That's because I've seen them out there where they live. Dude, just that idea of being, like, like, going in and out of shock, you're probably going to pass out. Yeah. And you're probably going to wake up.

You know what I mean? You're going to pass out because it hurts so bad. You're not going to die. You're going to wake up. They just eat you, dude. They don't kill you. A cat's going to kill you. Cats can't going to die. You're going to wake up. They just eat you, dude. They don't kill you. A cat's going to kill you. Cats can't take a chance. Yeah. Because all

cats do is eat things they kill. So cats are always killing. So they just go right for the neck. Yeah. They get you, they kill you. It's a way better death. Thank God. Bears start eating you dick first. They just start eating you. They start eating your legs. Whatever you can hold down. Oh, God! Have you ever seen a bear eat like a moose calf? It's horrible.

There was a video where this bear followed this moose around with her calves forever. She followed, too. The moose just wore out, and the moose is standing in the water. You can tell it's exhausted, and the calf's just sitting on the bank, and the moose just has to watch as this bear runs in and grabs the calf and just rips it apart, and the moose tries to

chase it off, and the bear runs off, and the bear comes back. The moose gets tired. The bear has already killed the calf. It comes back. It's just that's how it is, man. That's how it is out there. And we look at these things like there are teddy bears. We look at these things that there are the beautiful creatures of the forest,

and they are. They are the beautiful creatures of the forest. Yeah. But they are also massive, enormous, wild animals that kill things. This is it. Mother fuck. I don't want to watch this one. We'll pull away right before.

I'll tell you when it's going to happen. Okay. But this moose mama has just given up. She's just exhausted. This bear has been chasing her and her calves, and she's actually got her calves in front of her. She's not even coming out of the water because she doesn't have the energy, and she knows that it's over, and it just grabs one. and so the other one tries to run to its mama

And it's just it's over so she has to stand there and just accept the fact that this bear has mauled her calf And he's doing it right in front of her. It's the that's you should do kids books Do okay, but this is real right our version of what animals are is the Lion King and movies. And I'm not demonizing these things. I'm just trying to show you what they really are. And I love them as much as you love them. If you're a person who loves wildlife, I love wildlife too. I'm fascinated by it.

on when it comes to like what's, like what little limited amount of knowledge that I'm capable of expressing on this podcast that I know about wildlife is pales in comparison to many people that are listening to this that understand and really could explain this in a much better way. Right. Like my friend Steve Vernell is the best example. But at the end of the day, we have built cities on a continent that's filled with animals, and they're all over the place. And we can either manage that and figure out what's the best way to do it ethically

and keep these things alive and protect them and keep people away from them, or we can pretend. We can pretend they're our friends, they're our friends in the wilderness. And then the next thing you know, you're watching a wolf tear your child apart. Because that's what we used to do. That's what people used to do. That's why they wrote Little Red Riding Hood. And that's why the three pigs.

Right. That's the big bad wolf. Yeah. That's because they were trying to tell kids that wolves are fucking dangerous. And if you see a wolf, it 100% will eat you. Yeah. And they've been eating people forever. Good night.

Good night, everybody. Good night, everyone. Don't go in the woods. Yeah, man. Look, I see what you're saying. Like, you're, yeah. It's like. I'm not saying anything.

We're high and drunk. Don't anthropomorphize these poor, these fucking things. They're amazing. They're amazing things. They don't have the same, obviously. They're not like you. It's not like same, obviously, they're not like you. It's not like the bear is like looking at you

thinking, my God, what a mystical being who's trash. By the way, man, the reason I would not want to eat a bear is because they fucking

love diapers. Like, they, they love diapers. Dude, I like, you know, when I'm going to clean up the trash. Yeah.

At one point I found like some salmon had gone bad. Everybody thinks, you know, you'd think that's the first thing the bear would eat, right? Some salmon. Salmon. It's like in my yard, not touched at all. Next to it, an open diaper. The fucking bear got the diaper open and just clearly it lapped up. The baby shit from the diaper. They love baby shit. You ever just take a pinky full of baby shit and just see what's going on?

No! Imagine if it was delicious. What if it's like tapioca pudding? Get a little touch of baby shit. And you go, now I get it. Not only that, but theioca pudding? Get a little touch of baby shit. And you go, no, I get it. Not only that, but like the next day you wake up and you're like, shit, is that hair growing back? Like, you know what I mean? You realize that you're like, you start reverse aging. The whole time it was right in front of us.

Baby shit. It cures aging. It reverses the aging process. The whole time we just needed to us baby shit it cures aging it reverses the aging process the whole time we just needed to eat baby shit yeah it's not baby blood the shit is where it's at yeah the blood was a mistake the shit is what the blood kind of works the idea was it was like a gift like you bring the baby into the world to thank you the baby produces a serum that reverses the aging process and also extends your lifespan so you can be a parent longer. How about the people that eat placenta? They fry it up.

Like carrots and shit. I kind of get it. Supposedly good for you. Stinky diapers lure bear into metro Vancouver home. They love it. Smelly diapers on a warm summer night. I love that song. May have drawn a bear.

Smelly diapers on a warm summer night. Summer night that song. May have drawn a bear. Smelly diapers on a warm summer night. That's an old Cat Stevens song. May have drawn a bear into a suburban home where a mother and infant were living. Holy fuck, man. They love diapers. They're like filthy creatures, and they don't like the things that we think that they would like.

They do love to eat shit. Like, bears love shit. What's wild is that all the stuff that we're talking about, like animals and people and politics and religion, it's all of this stuff is humans trying to figure out its space, trying to figure out the parameters of the environment in which it finds itself in 2022. Like, how do we fucking handle this yeah how do we

continue to make iphones while we press forward yeah avoid getting eaten by bears yeah bears or whatever the thing is whatever the thing is around the corner it's not bears now it's something more like russians is it russians yeah well they started eating us the russians yeah man you know what sucks is like russia has produced some of the greatest fucking writing of all time like i was talking to this russian kid last night he was a real sweetheart do you know ballroom dancing is a big thing in russia really yes ballroom dancing is like this apparently like a sport there this kid was like at a um creek in the cave but like yeah i guess like he's some professional Russian ballroom dancer.

But he was, yeah, he's so bummed out because it's like everyone's down. There's a top pool player. His name is Fedor Gorst, and he's one of the best players in the world. And he's kind of trapped over here. He's trying to get citizenship in the United States to be able to play pool over here. He's Russian, but there are certain people that would be like, I don't want a Russian in an event. He has zero to do with it.

He's a pool player, and he's a young kid. He's really fucking good. But my point is, it's not the Russians. It's not the people. I know, man. It's only the people that are in positions of power. It doesn't matter what the fuck they are, from whatever country, fill in the blank. It's the same thing.

It's just humans that have control over giant groups of humans and can literally, they can sanction murder. They can say, you're allowed. Yeah. You're allowed to launch. I'm ordering you to launch missiles into apartment buildings and also the thing i think people are forgetting like people are mad and i get it it's horrible but i i feel like people are not fully understanding that in that country speaking out it's not like like that's the conversation we're having. It's like here. You have to be able to speak out. Here, people really take it like you and I, I can like, you and I for the next 10 minutes can just like talk about Biden, like sucking a baboon dick and like getting his.

Is that what you heard? That Biden sucked a baboon dick? Did you hear that? I'm not saying I didn't hear it. But yeah, apparently like, yeah, like Joe. No. No, right? My point is you can say that. Did you hear that? I'm not saying I didn't hear it. But yeah, apparently, like, yeah. Yeah? No! No, right? My point is, you can say that!

You're going to get kicked off Twitter for this kind of talk. You're the reason why Trump got reelected in 2024. Remember? You were talking about baboons. Biden sucking baboon dicks. You ruin it for everyone. Listen, number one, I suck baboon dicks so it's fine yeah actually it's like really good for the baboons it's part of conservation believe it or not you want them to

be your friends no you know but if you don't honestly if you don't like keep like populations of baboons satisfied via blow jobs then yeah they like get really aggressive to the human population so like you it's just part something I used to do in college. The point, that's the point I'm trying to make is we can say stupid shit like that and we won't get thrown out a window. We won't, you know what I mean? You're not going to end up in jail getting tortured for like saying that you

might, yeah, you might get like your YouTube channel gets canceled or whatever, whatever. But you know what I mean? You're not going to get polonium injected into you or whatever. That's what they're dealing with. So regardless of their like, we can't even we don't know what that population is thinking because they can't say it out loud. They can only say things out loud that aren't going to get them arrested. So who the fuck knows what's going on over there? Because I'm pretty sure at least the protests I've seen, did you see the one where the guy's holding a blank sign in Russia?

Like a Russian dude just holding a blank sign. It's a good move. They could Photoshop it in later. He got arrested for holding a blank sign. He's just there with a blank sign. Arrested. Fucking wishy-washy. He should have put something on there.

Yeah, put it on the fence, bro. Yeah. Get off the fence. He should have put something on there. Yeah, put it on the fence, bro. Yeah. Get off the fence. I think the most important thing is that what happens when people get too much power, almost always, it goes in that direction.

It goes in the direction of silencing their critics. Right. Censoring the people that have doubt or have contrarian views and forcing people to comply. Right. That's why we have to be careful of that stuff. have contrarian views and forcing people to comply. That's why we have to be careful of that stuff. It's not because we don't agree with the sentiment of keeping everybody safe or the sentiment of protecting the environment or the sentiment of ensuring economic equality. We certainly do.

But we also recognize that when people have power over other people, they enrich themselves almost universally. power over other people, they enrich themselves almost universally. They almost always do things that benefit people other than the greater good of mankind. They benefit the people that got them into the positions of power in the first place. And they can justify it with all sorts of ways, with an understanding of economics, an understanding of politics, an understanding of all kinds of shit. They can justify all kinds of weird stuff. But at the end of the day, the more power they have,

the worse off we are. And the more discussion we have and the more debate we have, the better off we are. Even if people say shit you don't agree with. Right. You got to have that. Sure. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, you definitely need to not have to worry about getting murdered for saying things. I mean, I think dealing with being, like dealing with like being rejected by swaths of the population who are like pissed at you. Yeah, that's probably normal. I mean, it's part of like being hyper connected to everything. But when it becomes violent, whatever, or even if there's just the intimation of violence, even if there's like a sense of like, you know, you probably something awful is going to happen to you. Yeah, that's where shit gets really like really bad. And that's where things are going to change fast because I don't think people want to feel like cowards.

So to address that, you just decide you believe the thing that happens to be the thing that's not going to get you arrested and then you start loudly proclaiming it because it's easier psychologically to just go with it than to like say out loud whatever the thing is that like is getting other people beat up or whatever even if you secretly believe it, that's where it gets really fucked up is the tyranny. It mutates people into true believers. Yes. Yes. That's so important. That's so important to talk about

because we're so pliable. The idea that human beings are autonomous and regardless of whatever cultural pressures are being put on them, they stick to their guns, that's not consistent. That's not normal. And if that social pressure and cultural pressure is being engineered by nefarious forces, whether it's by foreign countries that have infiltrated our social media and are creating bots that attack people or propagate ideas that maybe aren't true or maybe will be divisive and

cause people to argue and fight. They're doing that on purpose. We know they are. We know there are. Yeah. And yet we're fucking jumping into the fray, swinging battle axes. It's the dumbest thing ever. The best way to combat is to not do it anymore, to not do that anymore. And if you have a disagreement with someone or to have like that ethic where you talk

to people that are cool and they're cool to you and you're cool to them and you could disagree on a lot of shit and still be friends. Yeah. That's totally possible. Absolutely. That's me with a lot of my like ultra conservative friends. That's me with Ben Shapiro. We disagree on a lot of things, but he's a really nice guy. I like him.

I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff. I don't agree with him on gay things in particular. He thinks that like because of his religious beliefs that you're not supposed to give into that and that that's like give into what give into the feeling given to doing homosexual activities he thinks that yep yeah i didn't know that i didn't know he's homophobic well it's religious and it becomes homophobic in its judgment, right? It's like he had a thing about one of his friends that was going to get gay married and couldn't go to the wedding. Really?

Yeah. Seriously religious people, they want you to not do that. Just like they want you to not kill somebody. You have an urge to kill somebody, don't do it. Which to me is the craziest thing ever. I mean, you want to tell me that Richard Simmons should go and have a family? it you have an urge to kill somebody don't do it which to me is the craziest thing ever i mean you want to tell me that richard simmons should go and have a family well i mean you don't have a wife and and and stop right well no that like right people like shapiro they believe that uh it's like

a mental illness or is that what they're it's kind of i don't know what it is i don't know i don't by the way i don't know if that's what he, I mean, like people who are like fundamentalists and think generally it's like, isn't the idea like, uh, according to some scripture, this way of being with a person is, is evil. The same way they won't eat non-kosher food. I mean, he's very strict. He only eats kosher. He's very strict.

He only eats kosher. Well, look, I mean, listen, this world that we're in is one where if we go the other way and start pushing back against like religious freedom of expression, holy fuck, now what are we doing? Now what are we going to start like raiding churches and shit? What does that look like? That's the- That's where it's fascinating right because you got to be willing everyone has to be willing to let people sort their own way of life out but the problem is when they want to infringe on other people's

ways of life because it contradicts their religious beliefs that's separation of church and state that's the taliban yeah man that's where it gets fucked up because it's like shit man scary that's where it gets scary it's so scary wasn't it you that was telling me about the the people that were like the original founding fathers there's a lot of people that were like the taliban in early america there were super fundamentalist hardcore christians there was black i think they're called blasphemy laws or something where like if you said the wrong things about the church or the – I don't know the specifics of it. You could get arrested or you could get hung or incinerated even. out there just like i i guess where like the matter anti-matter thing meets is it's like like pull like obviously from my perspective anyone who's like who thinks gay people are like

hated by god right is insane or does doesn't know gay people intimately where they can talk to you about how they feel and and and make a judgment or doesn't know god won intimately where they can talk to you about how they feel and make a judgment. Or doesn't know God. They won't accept it because they only want to follow this religious doctrine, right? The religious doctrine that makes them eat kosher. The religious doctrine that makes them shut their lights out at Saturday night. Well, from their perspective, it is the way you have to be. So like they're,

it's not like they're doing it as a hobby or something like that. They're either born into it. They fully believe it. And so, yeah, that, my rusty understanding of things here. Great.

You go and be at your synagogue. You go and be at your thing, but you can't impose that legally you can't legislate your whatever that may be right and if you start legislating that then now we have a theocracy right but where it gets weird where like where i'm like my fuses start blowing is it's like okay so what do you legislate? Right. What about war? The Google engineer I interviewed, he was saying that there's a bias. He found a bias, and he said this on the podcast, I'm not leaking anything.

He said there's a bias at Google that secularism, secular ideas are going to show up first in searches more than religious ideas. So what happens when the bias goes the other way, where secularism starts becoming legislated? You know what I mean? Is secularism an ideology? Is it as much an ideology as religion? Is it like a unnamed religion? Particularly, you're starting conflict. If you start conflict, people are going to push back. So if you tell people they can't think or behave a certain way, they're going to want to push back against the way you think and behave. Right. You're causing conflict. Like religious people and secular people could coexist as long as they don't cause conflict and push their ideas on other folks.

Right. The problem is when they do it, when they do it, that's when things get fucking crazy. Yep. Because you just believe. They believe too. Like people have to come to some sort of an understanding. You've got to let people believe what they believe. But when they think they have to do it because their religion compels them, that's when things get crazy.

Because if you say, that's the ultimate trump card. God told me gay people can't get married. You've got to throw them off the roof. That's the Taliban. Right. That's where things get fucking crazy. Yeah. Because you can have ultimate control over what a person does or doesn't do with their life. that's the Taliban right that's where things get fucking crazy yeah because

you can have ultimate control over what a person does or doesn't do with their life and that we have to push back against at every single level yeah all across human interaction we have to push back against that but the problem is like how do you know who's right and who's wrong well that's really fucking complicated and the only way you find out is by letting people talk and as soon as you start censoring because you think that people are Wrong well you might be open for a bias in the other direction And what happens if the fucking religious people take over the internet, then they're gonna push in there

And maybe you won't get out of it Maybe it'll be something like what happens in North Korea or happens in China where they figure out some way to corral people Into a very rigid ideology that you must adhere to, or you'll be punished. Then you're fucked. And that's when you give people control. If you give people control, it always goes that way. It always goes into a way that has less freedom, less creativity, less ability to discuss things and work out the best possible scenario for everybody involved.

Dude, it's a true mess. everybody involved. Dude, it's a, it's a true mess. It's like, and also there you're set. Like if you happen to be the dominant religious force that,

that gains control of whatever the government you're in is, what happens if another dominant religious force uses the same mechanisms and then gets control? Like what, you know, like this is why the satanic temple is so funny when we, you know, and their activism is so interesting when they're like trying to get like Baphomet statues put in front of courthouses that have like the 10 commandments in front of them. Cause they're like, wait, which religion?

So like Christianity, we can put in front of courthouses, but that's the only one, right? Like, what about my religion? What about a picture of Baphomet standing in front of two children? That's my religion, and it is their religion. I should be able to put that in front of the courthouse, too, if all things are equal. What about Joseph Smith with his magic rock? There you go. He should be able to, too.

And already there's clearly a bias in this country towards one specific religion. there's clearly a bias in this country towards one specific religion you know and if the idea is like it's you know it's all supposed to be equal well well that's where that's why let's not even have the conversation there's the the like law the state laws which by the way are already informed by ethical systems that have their roots in world religions. But let's try to like keep that fucking boundary. We must keep that there because dude, you do not want somebody who thinks God doesn't like gay people. You don't want that person to have any power. Like that's the person who we,

you don't let drive the car. That's the person who like, you can let drive the car that's the person who like you can sit in the fucking back and listen to your weird sermons on earbuds or whatever about your fucking scary homophobic fucking god but you don't get to drive like you can listen to whatever it is but you're not going to make laws that are going to alienate and potentially like get people murdered who are just fine and who God is totally fine with. That's where it gets fucked up, man. You know my feelings on this.

Well, mine mirror them. Yeah, they do. It's a crazy scenario. The whole scenario of humans controlling other humans is always bizarre. But let me ask you this. Does Satanist get tax-free status? Yeah. I think if you're a religion, you do.

What? If you have a church, you don't have to pay taxes. Is that real? Separation of church and state. Google, please. Oh my god! I gotta go! Look at this. Satanic temple becomes tax-exempt religion. Rolling Stone Magazine, 2019. The IRS officially recognizes the

Satanic temple as a church. Yeah. The church has been granted tax-exempt status. Imagine. It's a church. Imagine a good idea. Saying, you know what? Maybe Satan has his good qualities. Well, I mean...

Let's say that's legit. You know what? Let's give you an option. Let's save the defense of Satanism for the next podcast. Because I've got to go watch Fireworks with my family. I didn't realize how much time flew by. How much fun was this? The best.

The best. Thank you. Thank you for this. It's always fun. What a joy. I really feel like I have the most bizarre conversations with you that we bring out the weirdness

in each other. For sure. I appreciate you very much. You're the best. I love you, man. Thank you. I love you too. I love everybody out there.

Bye. Bye. Bye.