The Joe Rogan Experience - #1856 - Nate Bargatze

Episode Date: August 12, 2022

Nate Bargatze is a standup comedian and host of the "Nateland" podcast. His latest comedy special, "The Greatest Average American," is streaming on Netflix. www.natebargatze.com

The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day Hello Nate Joe Good to see you my friend Good to see you buddy It was fun last night, it was fun doing a gig It was fun, yeah

Yeah, that worked out great I came here to go do a spot I was in two very different environments Of just a corporate gig and then uh the vulcan it was uh but it was it was awesome it's awesome to see your uh your hour it's tight my friend thank you it really was it was very fun thank you which was uh i'm a big fan of fun. Me too. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, stuff's not getting as fun anymore. It was fun.

It's like you can see when everybody's watching something and it's like they're just having a good time. It's just a fun, you know, what comedy is. Stand-up is, you're like, enjoy it. Let's have fun. I think there's still people doing that. There's a lot of people who have kind of lost their way. It's, yeah. And I think you're going to see a separation, though.

I think it will be. It's people that are going to, you know, not want to go on. They don't want to go on the road anymore. And they, like, it's a lot to go do stand-up. And so I think you're going to see the pandemic almost, like, split it to be like, all right all right, who like did whatever they had to do to do shows where they did them outside. They, you know, are trying to just try to stay funny. Right. During the pandemic.

Versus. Versus just collapsing on themselves and not being funny. And it's, it's a, you know, it's a muscle. Have you noticed how many people have gotten like very very political on twitter like during the pandemic yeah it became like especially comedians and this i'm not trying to be mean but who are not that good and we're not that successful you know they were kind of like kind of hanging on and now you go to their fucking twitter feed and it's just this political extravaganza yeah it's i mean and they they

go deep they're like people who know like uh like third string quarterbacks that play for colleges you know that's how they handle that's how they handle politics. They'll talk about obscure senators from North Dakota. You're like, what the fuck are you talking about? We should know who they are. But they're obsessed with it in this very weird way. I think they're distracting themselves in the fact that their career is kind of gone, and so now they're just mostly concentrating on politics.

I think it's a, and two, for some, I always look at it as like a cash grab. Like sometimes it's like, it's a quick like, all right, you get some, you think some steam on this kind of thing. Maybe some tweets or some whatever. You feel like you're being, you're having a lot of reaction in the twitter world and uh so you think like all right this is this is i'll do this as a career like you're trying to pick your lane right and then they go down that lane and that lane just can't sustain it's like when you go watch a uh stand-up comedy you still you have to have an act people will go watch someone for once but if they do not have an act like no one's going to come back right an act is what it's about you go to vegas we're still you still go to vegas david copperfield has to do an act right he that's why

they've been doing that's why carrot tops been in ve for 30 years, or whenever he's been there, because there's an act. And you're like, I bought this, and I'm watching this for one hour, and it was entertaining, and I leave, and I have a good time. You have to create an act. It can't be this trick that's kind of like, I trick you to get in the door, but then you go watch it. I see it with like, there's some, you know, you see people on Instagram, and I don't know them like someone like these rappers and they have like five million followers or something and

you're like is this guy or is he like super famous or something and then but you're like i don't know if he like i don't i don't i think it's like he's famous on instagram like he's famous for people watching that but you're like i don't know know this guy's selling tickets or and I don't know it's I'm sure it's more than just the I've just seen a couple of the rappers as I fall I started falling one cuz I was like why don't I was like curious to be like what's this dude's life like you know you just want to watch him he's doing some you know they're doing rock venues and they're doing all this and there are millions of followers and they have all the stuff the watches all the and you're like i'm just like is this guy is it you know they sell is that guy

going to sell out madison square garden and i don't know if he i don't know if it is i mean maybe maybe it is maybe i'm completely wrong but it's it's the fascinating you get this audience that's on board with you with social media, but like they're not going to translate. They're not going to go with you for your career. People want to grow with their people, I think. If you like someone, you're like, I'd like to grow. Like you see them have a family and then they have this

and they kind of just keep talking about their evolution of life. And that's what you enjoy watching like yeah and that's like the whole process when you put out a special of developing new material and then making sure that it's up to snuff and then recording again and this like how many years what is your your process in terms of like how much time oh do you do in between specials uh this one i taped the last one in uh 2020 because it came out in early 21 and i'm taping the next one in september in phoenix so roughly two years yeah it comes a special come out yeah because it all times out about the same yeah so two years and i think that's good and i don't think you should. That's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.

And doing it more than that, I think, is too much. And then, you know. I did three two years in a row. I did 2014, 16, and 18. Yeah, I think that's the one. And then I was going to do 20, but then the pandemic hit. And I really didn't do stand-up for quite a while. And then I realized that when I started doing stand-up again

having a little bit more time with the material like really made it tighten up more like I feel like everything is way tighter now like this set it's also working in Texas because we've been doing you know these regular sets at Vulcan Vulcan Gas Company Company and Creek in the Cave. And so I'm headlining all the time. So I'm doing an hour. So instead of doing like 15 minute sets, I'm doing like all this material. So it's very tight and I've just been doing it a lot over and over again. And then I've been touring on the weekend. So I've been doing arenas and theaters and comedy clubs, like all these different kinds of venues on purpose, like different size venues. And I feel like more times better.

I feel like this is like the tightest one I've ever had. And it's got the most laughs of any special that I've ever had. And I feel like four years, which is what it will be when this one comes out, I'm like, that is even better. It's even better than two. You get to be with it a lot more. Yeah. And you get to like have much more material too, right? So I have a whole extra hour.

So I have this hour and then I have the B-side stuff that I can build up and turn into A-bits. Yeah. And so once I abandon this special and put it out, I'll have stuff to work with. Yeah, I'm a big, I believe the road is, I think you write more on the road. Because when you have more time on stage, you can, you're just not as like, you know, like doing sets and doing spots are like, that's how you get stuff tight. And that's what you need at the beginning is to learn how to be tight. But, you know, if you go do, when you go back to New York, you do 10 minute spots and you're like, well, I feel like I got a murder. Like you can't like sit for a second.

Right. And when you got a long time, I can sit because I know the next thing is going to be work. Right. And then you can so you can really like be like, let me just see if I can mess around with this a little bit here, because there's not as much pressure as like you know you mess with one bit and then your bits just get longer yeah and when you start doing i've noticed from going to clubs to theaters like when i first started headlining in clubs it was i mean doing 45 minutes was tough i would get tired i remember just talking that long like you're like i've never you're just like how do people even do you hit 35 minutes and you're like i don've never, you're just like, how do people even do it? You hit 35 minutes and you're like, I don't even, I'm out of everything.

I've done every closer I've ever come up with. And so now you're just trying to get out of the set. And then the longer you do it, then you start getting into theaters. And I'm not a big, I don't move around a lot and like all this, but like you do, you just like everything just expands because there's more people. There's more, it's just a different, it's a, it's, it There's more. It's just a different. It's pretty wild. It's a pretty different thing.

And it's fun to learn it. It's fun to get to do it. Some guys get stuck in that city mentality, and they keep doing those 15-minute sets. And those 15-minute sets or 10-minute sets are great. But if you want a headline, it's not the same. It's not like you just don't string 10 of those sets together. You really have to develop

an actual hour. If you're going to do an hour, you can't just take four 15-minute sets. You really want it to flow. And the only way to get the sense of the right way to do it is to do that hour. And I think that fucks guys when they only do the city,

and then they try to go on the road and headline, and you see them in their fucking hotel room in a panic with, like, stacks of notes, trying to piece their act together. It's a show. I love making stuff, like, really go into the next thing. Like, that's how you remember your act, is you're like, well,

the only thing that could come after this is this. Like if you're talking, you know, I'm talking about my kid, then I'm talking about my wife. Well, like they go together. And so you put them together and then you put all this stuff together. And that's the, that's the aspect of creating a show. And that's where I got, like you tell, like if you see young comics or even young entertainers,

it's like, that's what it's like. Do an act, dude. Like you got to create, you see young comics or even young entertainers, that's what it's like. Do an act, dude. Like you've got to create, even in a five-minute thing, at least have a system that you're like, I'm starting with this, I'm going to close with this, and I'm going to try to make them, you know, make it seem like I'm not going in between each thing. Unless you're one of those non-sequitur guys. I've always felt like those guys have the hardest job,

like the Mitch Hedberg types or the Steven Wright types, those guys who just do, here's another joke. Here's another, like William Montgomery does that. It's just like, here's a joke. Here's another joke. It's like, whoo, how do you remember all that? That I don't know. That's a lot. I mean, it's, it's just cause it's, it's, you know, if you talk about yourself and it's personal you're like well at least it's your opinion it's your point of view so i think then it makes everything everything becomes funny because it's your point of view so if i'm watching you i'm buying into you so i want you to go to the grocery store and i'll see what joe rogan does at the grocery store and so like there's a lot more opportunity for that and then that would make me nervous with those guys that's why it is amazing to be able to

write these jokes to be actual joke writers which is you know this stand-up was it's how stand-up started just this joke writing and to be able to do that and just crank out these jokes it's unreal I love the fact there's so many different styles too I really do love the fact that there are these like absurdist non-sequitur guys and then there's other guys like you you tell like stories you tell like long stories and people get sucked into your rhythm it was very fun watching you last night going on after tony too yeah so tony's on stage last night uh for everybody who wasn't there and jamie and uh some lady starts fucking screaming at him she starts screaming at him some like super lefty liberal lady calling him a sexist and

tony says how am i a sexist i'm literally the most feminine man you'll meet all night and he starts going into all the different bits where he makes fun of himself. He's like, I already said this about myself. He goes, I mock my own masculinity. And you're telling me I'm a sexist? It was very funny. She was on Hinge, though. Yeah, she left.

So it was all this craziness. Well, he has a bit about the C word. So it was that bit that set her off. That was like, that's it. And she fucking blew a fuse. And then you went on afterwards. No curse words. Like you just took control of the room and started telling your stories.

And it was great, man. It was really fun to watch. It was really fun to watch the transition. And your fucking timing was so good, dude. Oh, thank you. It was really fun. I just love when I, you know, I haven't seen you in a while. And it's great to be able to watch, like, a comic just that, you know, you're clearly, like, super tight.

You've been on the road. It's real obvious. Everything is nice and polished. It's really fun to watch you shift the gears of the room, too. That was a good... That's why New York was great. Because it's like you learned how to do that. You have to.

You have to. Because you're following who knows what. Who knows what. And it's... You're following people. You guys are going to murder. You're following Greer Barnes and Ben Bailey Bailey and they I remember them like they were will savants they would murder and then you have to go up behind them and then I was I had you know this rhythm and I talked slower

and all this so I you had to learn very quickly how to like how do I get you to come to me right because if I can't match energy that's a big one that that's always the one that i i don't ever people always say like what advice would you give yourself like i'm not a big you're like i learned everything because of all the stuff that i failed but if you just remind yourself like just do you yeah and just get into your rhythm you can't match what other people do it makes you tighten your stuff up though it does make you put like you have to edit things well like when you're going on after killers and you have to establish that you know what you're doing like the audience has to get some confidence in you if you're following some the worst people

to follow are they don't really have them anymore they're kind of rare now but music acts yeah you ever have a follow-up music act? Oh, yeah. So what I mean by music act, I don't mean like musician folks, for folks at home. I mean like a comedy music guy who sings comedy songs, and they usually suck, but they usually have something to do with like getting your dick sucked or shit in your pants.

They sound amazing. You're like, that sounds unbelievable. Where's this guy playing? I want to hear about shit in your pants. They sound amazing. You're like, that sounds unbelievable. Where's this guy playing? I want to hear about shit in your pants. But yeah, they would fucking kill. And they had music. So they're like, I shit my pants. And then you're on afterwards.

So I took my daughter to the park the other day. Yeah, it's such a weird. so took my daughter to the park the other day it's such a weird and you have to like it has to be the the stuff that you say first has to somehow another establish who you are yeah and you have to like get them and how they're interested you gotta get them quick yeah they have that interested in you you gotta learn the thing I learned in New York is like you got to make them laugh as as quick as you can. Yes. And so it's like, what can I do to get you in my rhythm,

and what's the quickest laugh I can get to? So you can kind of reset the tone. Because if you follow an act like that or someone that murders or something, it might take a couple jokes, even if they're good jokes, just to reset the room and then be like like all right yeah now I got you cuz you only have 10 minutes yeah 15 minutes like so it's tough that was the store too that was a big thing about the store it's like you're you're going on after arena acts like you will fall Sebastian yeah it's like there's all these killers

Louis CK stops in like Jesus Christ like you and any night you're following just assassins I remember doing I was doing a Tonight Show, and I was going to go run it at Gotham in New York. And this was when Louie was hosting SNL. And so I was going to get a go up, like, first, and then Louie came in to run his SNL set that he was going to do on SNL. And I had to follow that. Which ended up being fine, but that set that he did was like unbelievable. Yeah. And he went on and I mean, just murdered.

Like, and then, and it's Louis CK and he's holding SNS. Now, I mean, it's the, it's everything. Yeah. And then it's like, here comes the neighbor, gets to do a tonight show. Everybody's like, whatever, you know, it's like fine. And you're just up there trying to do your dumb, you know, cause you feel like you're like, I'm trying to get into it. Yeah, but I learned you would say So you have to learn stuff like I learned in like that

You just would walk up like I obviously the show is peaked and like it's enough to get a laugh Right to set you know to be like yeah Yeah, we get what we all just saw right let me just try to get back into and then just do your act when I was Living in LA in the 90s. I had to follow Richard Pryor five weeks in a row, five or six weeks in a row. And it was when Richard Pryor was dying. And so it might have been the 2000s by then. But either way, he was very sick. And he was in a wheelchair.

And so they would carry him to the stage. So essentially, Marilyn Martinez, his husband, and Chewy, Chewy was the door guy. They would walk him all the way to the stage, kind of support his body weight all the way to the stage, and then get him to a seat. of like support his body weight all the way to the stage and then get him to a seat and his voice was so feeble that they had to crank the the sound up really loud like and he'd be like i always love and he had like a drink with him but it was you know he was just trying to and then you got to go up after him and it's like a whole thing to get him back off stage. So it's not like you get to go right up. You're like, it's going to be about 10 minutes before we get him down.

Well, not only that, but at the store, we would do it like we did at the Vulcan. We'd tag team. I would bring up the next guy. He'd bring you up? He didn't. Oh. The piano man brought me up. Yeah.

Because they have to carry him out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they would come back on stage and grab Richard Pryor, and then the piano man brought me up because they have to carry him out of there. Yeah, yeah. So they would come back on stage and grab Richard Pryor, and then the piano man would be like, who was Jeff Scott, rest in peace, and he would go, Richard Pryor, ladies and gentlemen, and now please welcome Joe Rogan. And I was just fucking, and I was, I'm pretty sure it was in the 90s because I remember I was in my 20s, and I was just like,

what am I doing following Richard Pryor? Yeah, that's why. Well, to be able to see that's pretty crazy. Yeah. That you crossed paths enough to get to see him, even at that stage. Well, it was a full circle for me because the first time I ever really saw a stand-up was I was 15 years old my parents took me to see live at the sunset strip oh wow i'll never forget yeah i was uh in the movie theater

watching these people flop around their seats laughing so hard they couldn't even sit still they were just falling them down and and i remember looking around the theater going i can't believe how funny this is This is so funny and always doing is talking because I thought about like stripes Which was this amazing funny movie like but it wasn't this funny like this guy's so funny and he's just talking Like it's incredible just words and that had Like a permanent effect on me and now mean, I didn't think back then, oh, I want to be a comedian

because that was when I was doing martial arts and that's all I thought about. But I couldn't imagine how funny it was. I was like, this is incredible. I've never seen anything like that because the only comedy I'd ever seen other than that was like The Tonight Show. I'd see like, you know,

Richard Jenny do a set on The Tonight Show. I to love watching like this the comedians on the tonight show and then like evening at the improv I used to love that but I just couldn't believe how funny it was it was like blown away like I thought about it for months well being in that room and and seeing that where they said like people are just like losing it yeah that's pretty special i mean it's crazy because it is crazy to think with stand-up it's just talking it's straight up just uh just your words yeah i always find it very interesting to even when you like when you get your act you know when they're going to laugh which is always kind of because laughing is it's hard to make someone laugh and then sometimes you're like, I know about here.

Yeah. They're going to laugh. When I say live on the Sunset Strip, I don't mean actually being on the Sunset Strip. Just that hour. The movie. Yeah. It was a movie that was in the movie theaters. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so I was in a movie theater. Oh, well that's even crazier. Well, it was crazy. But it was also, it's one of the best ways to see a comedy special because it's like you're in the crowd yeah it's like you're hearing everybody else laugh too like there's a there's a contagiousness to it but no I was in Boston and what I wasn't in on the Sunset Strip that would be an interesting way to do specials well that's how some people like Gabriel grace Iglesias Gabriel's he released a special in the movies.

And then I think Kevin Hart did, too. Yeah. But that's all recently. Most people recently have not been releasing specials. It's almost like that would be a good way to do it. Right, because there's a crowd there. There's a crowd. Yeah.

You know, they're usually not super long. It's like, it would be a, yeah. I think I would enjoy watching a special. Yeah. It'd be the exact, it'd be the best experience you could have. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe that's the next evolution of standup.

Like you sell tickets, like, or streaming, you know, like that way where you know you'll go to a place and you know people will all watch it together because like watching a stand-up special at home is great but it's not as good as like watching it with a lot of people around no comedy is a weird thing right like i can enjoy music by myself but going to see a comic with other people is way better than just going by yourself. That's what you're selling in an event. Yeah. It's being out. It's also, there's a weird thing that happens when people get in a room together.

It happens with music, too, when you're sharing an experience. And it makes it better because there's all these other people that are sharing it with you. And comedy is, like, the best for that. Because, like, when other people are laughing, like, you smile, too. Like, it's like, comedy is like the best for that because like when other people are laughing like you smile too like it's like this is fucking funny right oh my god like i'll never forget we were doing a show once and uh someone was on stage killing and this lady uh i was uh i wasn't up yet i was just sitting on the side of the road the side of the stage or uh the back of the stage by the store the back of the stage by the store,

the back of the room, and this lady just looks at me and she's like, oh my God, this is so funny. Just looking around for people to laugh with. Yeah. And I was like, look at her. She's like, everybody's just joining in. Yeah.

People are looking at each other. The other day I was like, ah! I seen people laugh like, oh! It adds to it. It makes it, it's a communal experience. I agree. I think it's, it'd be very interesting to do stuff like that. Like, and to do it, because it is, you're selling, like, that's why going to live shows are so great.

Yeah. Because you're just next to each other. There's, it is, you start laughing. I mean, that's like when you show someone someone's stand-up we're i was telling you before like with a tell we had two guys on my bus i never heard they're not comics but they never heard skanks for the memories so we i played it for them and getting to watch them watch it hey you get to go back through it and catch all the little stuff that you don't that i may you know that you i forgot or i didn't catch but then also getting to watch them watch it which is the most fun yeah because you get it like just seeing someone laugh that's a that's people like that people like sharing joy yeah

that they want to go i want to just see you laugh at this yeah that makes me laugh even more because then i'm happy and it's it's an'm happy. And it's a beautiful thing. Especially when they're laughing for the first time and never heard the joke. So even though you know the jokes are coming, you get to laugh extra because they're laughing with it. And you're like, you're not even to the part yet. Right. And you're watching them lose it. And you're like, you don't even know what's about to come.

Well, that was a tell back when he was doing Insomniac. So he was touring around the country and getting hammered every night. And that was a wild, different a tell. I saw that a tell at the beginning when I first moved to New York. What year did you start? I started in 2003, but then I moved to New York in 04. And so you moved to New York like one year after you started. Where'd you start?

Chicago. I moved to Chicago. I took a comedy class. Oh, really? Where at? In Chicago, comedy college. Jim Roth. I still talk to that guy.

Comedy college. Yeah. Is it good? Yeah, I'm not against classes. A lot of comics are, because it's just, I didn't know what to do. You don't know what to do. It's like they're not teaching you how to be jokes but you're like i you're so nervous you're scared i moved to a different city i didn't know anybody so it was nice to just go do it what made you

move there i had a buddy that wanted to go to second city and he wanted to do improv oh just for and you moved from nashville so straight from nashville right Chicago, and you were only there a year before you moved to New York. I did comedy about a year. We ended up living there two years, but it was like, I only did comedy about a year and a half there. But that was, Pete Holmes was there, Kumail Nanjiani, Hannibal, Jared Logan, Nick Vatterot. I mean, it was T.J. Miller. Yeah, yeah. We were all brand new.

And then Pete moved to New York, and then I moved right after Pete. I did. I barked with Pete. His show. Explain barking to people. Oh, like standing on a corner and just handing out flyers. So you're just like, hey, we've got a great comedy show tonight. And you're just sitting out there, and you hand someone a flyer,

and then they drop it on the ground in front of you. That's what barking is. You just basically do it on the ground in front of you that's what that's what barking is you just basically do you want throwing this on the ground and they go yeah i'll do it that's the thing that really only goes down in new york yeah it's now it's like a business really i think now they start hiring people but when i did it my uh we did it for boston comedy club and my buddy dustin chafin who happy birthday dustin happy birthday to you and then say thank you they both have birthdays Boston was open in 2004 yeah

still it was right I was there I was at the very end of it I got in I would see Chappelle there every night

Chappelle was on the Chappelle shows right before Chappelle left when he when I was walkabout yeah cause he would come I mean I saw Burr, Patrice like that's where I saw all those guys and they I went to their HBO one night stand tapings and you saw them run sets and you saw them like you know everybody kind of come up Louie was

probably the biggest like but still wasn't insanely Louie yet but was was like the one Burr was like the one that you're watching, and he's like the first guy that you're like, I can't, like, you know, we'd go watch him at Caroline's, and no one was there. Or no one's there, but like it's half full. They only kind of know him from ONA or something. And then the next year is like when his HBO thing,

and then you're like it's sold out, and Caroline's like you couldn't even, they were like you can't come watch. And you're like we were watching last, they're like yeah well everybody could come watch last year now you can't it's too full and it'd be too crowded yeah and so he was like watching him just blow up that's a very fortunate thing that we have and it's really good for young comics to watch someone blow up because then if it ever does happen to you you kind of understand what happens like the process of it all you get to see what it's like when someone you just see it's possible yeah yeah you see it's possible

you're like that dude was just here right right right and now he's not because we always tend to think about people as being in like a static state like if you run into Chris Rock you assume he's always been Chris Rock yeah but if you knew Chris Rock when he was just starting out, like you'd go, oh, this is the process. This is possible for everybody. I just saw a clip today about, uh, with Chris talking about New Jack City saying that when they, when him and Ice-T were, they were reading lines, reading at the table and they didn't have, I guess, a star and it was for Wesley Snipes. And then they got Wesley Snipes and Wesley Snipes wasn't like, they didn't have i guess a star and it's for wesley snipes and then they got wesley snipes and wesley snipes wasn't like they didn't know who he was he wasn't famous but then

once he's wesley snipes uh started reading the line they were like oh this movie's gonna be like real it's gonna be huge and he wasn't huge but they could tell that like oh this dude's like different yeah you know and it, and that was like, and that's Chris Rock and Ice-T who are not Chris Rock and Ice-T. And they're even like, oh, they're just dudes reading at a table. And then they see Wesley Snipes,

and they're like, oh, this movie's about to be huge. Oh, he's a bad motherfucker. Wesley Snipes could act his ass off. He had power, you know? He was great as Blade. I really wish they would bring Blade back. I know they're bringing it back with a new actor, but God damn it, Wesley Snipes was good. Wesley Snipes is great action.

He was a good Blade. Yeah. Very fun. Apparently, though, he went off the rails. He went a little nutty. Because Patton Oswalt has a whole bit about doing Blade 3 with Wesley Snipes Wesley Snipes is like allegedly imbibing in certain you know controlled substances yeah while sending his trailer it just was like he's out of control and fucked up the

whole taping of it what Patton has like a whole bit he like a whole chunk that he did on filming blade three if you met wesley snipes it would be it'd be wild like to be around him and just because those those guys are so famous i was supposed to fight him really yeah i suppose they wesley snipes was about to go to jail for for taxes and they were trying to figure out a way to make money. And they came to this guy, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the original producers of the UFC. And they wanted Wesley Snipes to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme. This was their idea to have like a fight, an actual fight. How old are they at this point?

Wesley's older than me. I was in my 30s at the time, so I gotta assume he was in, I was probably 35, so I gotta assume he was in his late 30s or early 40s. He's still fit but about

to go to jail. He needed money. We're supposed to have a UFC fight. I trained for it for like six months. It was crazy. You were going to fight him? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Because, wait, John Vaughn, he didn't want to do it. They didn't want John Clowney down. They're like, nobody buys his movies anymore. Like an MMA fight? Yeah, it was going to be an MMA fight. And he does. He's a big MMA. I don't know.

He's really good at karate. I don't know. The thing is, I don't think he had ever competed before. You know, like, I hadn't competed in more than 10 years, but I did have three kickboxing fights, and I had, like, 100 taekwondo fights. Like, I fought a lot. Yeah.

Like, I know how to compete. And so I know I would have been, like, super nervous, but he doesn't know jiu-jitsu. Like, or what he knows, he doesn't, you know. At the time, I don't know if I was a black belt yet. I was, no, I don't think I was. I was a brown belt. But I was like, I'm going to strangle this dude.

Yeah, because you were younger and you're just, you're so much closer to all the like competing and all this kind of stuff. And then he's fighting from the stance it's a lot of things it's the fact that i'd competed the fact that i was i was pretty good at striking and it was also like if i got a hold of him if i grab him he's dead i was like if a brown belt in jujitsu who's really strong gets a hold of you you're the same size as him he's actually a little smaller than me so if i got a hold of him he would have been fucked dude that would have been unreal it'd been wild that unless he knocked me out that would have sucked yeah who get knocked out by blade at least it's blade i mean that where were they going to do like pay-per-view yeah and it just didn't happen it just you know like cm punk fought

in the ufc a couple of times It would have been one of those deals. And then so, oh, y'all would have done it at the UFC. Yeah. Like, wow, dude. Yeah, the UFC was on board. Wow. I had lawyers involved. It went through a whole series of things. Like, at first it was supposed to be 50-50, like 50-50 split.

Yeah. And I said, fine. And then he changed it again and said you know like i don't remember what the his stipulation was like he wanted 60 40. and i said i don't and like the lawyers are like you know should we push back this and that like what do you want to do i go i'm gonna fucking strangle this guy so give him the money yeah he's gonna need the money i go it does not it doesn't matter it's not that much money, whatever it is. Like the difference, whatever the difference was. I was training twice a day, every day.

I was kickboxing with Rob Kamen. So I'd go in with Rob Kamen in the mornings, who was a legendary Holland kickboxer. And I would train with him and he was taking me through his striking system and I was sparring and kickboxing and then after I did that I would go to jiu-jitsu at night I was fucking exhausted all the time I couldn't I couldn't believe how tired I was all the time I was just so tired how close did it get before they pretty fucking close yeah pretty close like we were trying to figure out when it would happen like would it be December or would it be November? Like what it was and so I was just constantly training just trying to get in shape I'm like I'm gonna get ahead of this and so

It got down to I forget what the final fucking straw that broke the camel's back was when he backed out But I gave him everything he asked for every time they try to change things. I said, okay Yeah, I said I'm gonna strangle him I go give him what he wants just I just don't want to lose him I'm like if he wants to do this like I was so obsessed and Then once it was over I was like I'm glad I didn't do that Like cuz then I would have had another fight like what if I had that fight and it went well and then you know someone Else wants to fight and then I'm then I'm doing the Jake Paul thing. Yeah. That shit will consume you because fighting is not something, first of all, it's not something

you're going to do great your first fight back because I would have fought and I would have said, ah, my timing was off. I felt like I got a little too nervous. I need the experience. The more active you are, if you're competing, the more you get comfortable with competing, so the more it feels like a normal thing. Daniel Cormier was actually just talking about that in one of the past ufcs about a guy that had taken two years off because he had like a significant injury and there's a bunch of

other shit that happened and he's like that is so hard to do he goes when you fight a lot he's like you go in there it's just like a normal thing you do like you're in there you're fighting normal i fought two months ago it's normal you just go through your camp and you're in there, you're fighting normal. I fought two months ago. It's normal. You just go through your camp and you're in there. But for me, I mean, it would have been like over 10 years. So I would have probably been like a little sketchy, like a little like, whew, what the fuck am I doing? Like, why am I doing this? But then once you do it, then you get the experience and you go, you know what? I was a little nervous doing that. Let me do that again. And then I think I don't think I showed my full potential. Let me do that again. Let me do that again, and then I think I don't think I showed my full potential Let me do that again, and I would have probably said like look. I'm in my 30s I was like 35 36 I was like I only got like a couple years left where I could physically do this and compete with You know legit martial artists like give me like a couple more fights and then I would have probably tried to fight some other celebrity slash big mouth character and And then I would have been who who knows what it would have,

I probably would have got brain damage more. Yeah, I mean, you might not be here. You'd be just, you'd be talking to you now and you'd be like, hey, Joe, you all right, buddy? Fine, fine. He's just fighting random people. That's wild that that almost, I could see that if you don't fight for two years.

I mean, that's what we're talking about with comedy. Oh yeah. When you don't go up and you're not being funny and regularly being funny, then you lose that.

What's the most time you've ever taken off? Oh, I don't even know. It should be like COVID. That should have been the answer. I took off that whole, but even,

that had to be a month or two. That's all took off during COVID no I guess more I should say more what it was like I never I don't believe in COVID so I never took any time off that's the most comedy I've ever done I think one of my biggest years were 2020 uh the most sets I've ever done there's plenty plenty of open stages. Yeah, I go, it was wide open, dude. I was trying to get off. No one was lighting me. No one was there. And then there, no, I, during COVID,

that was definitely the most time I took off, whatever it was, I guess a few months. I don't know exactly. And then stuff would, you'd have like an outdoor thing. And then I did a, then I did the drive-in tour. So we had that set up pretty quickly. And then I went and did those. And then, so I was doing three, four cities a night.

And my special I taped outside. And so it was like, you just adjusted to. I never did drive-in shows. Did you like those? I loved them. I loved them. I loved them. It was, do you want to go do them?

I don't want to go do them all the time. Right. You wouldn't want to do it now. No, no. I'm doing amphitheaters right now. Do you like them? I like them. Some of them are great.

Some of them are great. So far, they've been awesome. I heard Red Rocks is the shit. I have not. Burr loved it. Burr loved it. Oh, yeah. Red Rocks, I think is the-

Burr just filmed a special there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Red Rocks is legendary. Like, and then, but then some of these of these like I'm going to Wisconsin Dales. I'm leaving tonight at midnight to just start driving there on the bus. And then I'll do that Saturday. And then so I like the outdoors because you can hear it's just going to do different things.

Right. Like the driving theaters was like, all right, well, if I'm going, I might as well just go see what it is. I want to, you know, you want to see your act kind of go through everything. And they're like, I'll go talk to these cars. And then you got to learn the timing of that. Chicago, we did one. And it was one of the more memorable shows I think I'll ever have in my career. It was, like, starting to rain. It was, like, 45 degrees out.

It was kind of chilly. I mean, there's, it's, there was 2000 people there. It's like, I mean, so it's just car after car and then they would laugh. And so they couldn't sit outside. People up front would sit outside, but then you can't. So they would like flash their lights and kind of honk for laughs. And they did it in a very, the timing was great. Like you're like, oh, for laughs and they did it in a very the timing was great like you're like oh i just got it now instead of hearing laughs i'm just kind of going off the honks honks and so then you're like you kind of pause and then some lights flash and then you got to just trust that you know how to do it yeah i never did those but i i did i took a long time off I did I went from March when everything shut down to July and then

Texas was still doing shows like in comedy clubs indoors and I was like that is crazy And I remember me and Tony talking and I'm like do you want to like try it for a weekend? You know like apparently they had they said that well we have limited seating and we socially distance everyone. Horseshit. We got there. It was packed. The improv was fucking packed. We got out there. I go, how the fuck are they socially distanced?

This is not socially distanced. People had their masks under their noses. It was ridiculous. Yeah. And I did one weekend and it was so much fun. But then I got really high and I thought, what if I got COVID and gave it to one of my guests? And even though I was testing every day, you know, we were testing really early on.

I was like, but what if, like, what if it's not worth it? Like, what if, what if someone got really sick? What if someone died? You know, I started thinking about that. I was like, okay, I have to be more responsible. And so then I waited. And then we started doing outdoor shows. Chappelle and I started doing outdoor shows in Austin.

He said, we got this place. Let's do stubs. We could do it outside. We'll screen the entire crowd. And we definitely tested people positive. There was quite a few people that got kicked out of the show. Because there would be this long line outside. They would test you.

You have to wait 15 minutes. And positive people that got sent home you know maybe half dozen or so during the the course of all of our shows but for the most part people you know you know if you're sick you know if you're not feeling good and most people are responsible and it was all outside anyway and there's no outside transmission, really. And so we had these fucking amazing shows, and it felt so special that we were doing shows outside during the pandemic. And, you know, it's Don L. Rawlings, it's me, Mo Ammer, Michelle Wolfe. I mean, these were great fucking shows. Yeah, I went to one. The one where Ron White was there.

Yeah, Ron did some shows with me. So then, you know, we were getting into that. Like, it was like, wow, we're doing stand-up again. If we have to do it just this way again, that's fine. But then one night we did the Vulcan. One night we did the Vulcan, and we did it on, I think it was a Thursday night. I think it was Red Band's night. Or maybe it was Tony Hinchcliffe's night.

I don't remember what it was. But I remember Ron White saying that, well, I'm basically going to retire. Man, I think I've done enough. You know, I'm going to sell my jet. I'm going to fucking kick back and just play golf, and I'm not doing stand-up anymore. And then, you know, we said, we've got a show on Thursday night. You want to go do a set?

He's like, well, maybe I'll do one fucking set. He goes on stage, and apparently he, like, took it very seriously. And he had an iPad and was, like, listening to old sets and going over his notes, like, all day, all day long. He goes on stage and fucking murders. I mean murders murders and then i mop after him and he comes off stage and he grabs him by my shoulders and he goes whatever we gotta do we're fucking doing this again whatever we gotta do like he was just he was just electric, man. Yeah. I mean, he felt that juice again. And when he went on stage, they went fucking apeshit.

Like, he's a legend everywhere, but he lives in Austin, you know? And so when he goes on stage in Austin, it's like, Yeah, that's, yeah, once you went back to the indoors, it was impossible. Yeah, you're like, this is what it's about. And also, indoors in a club like amphitheater is great outside's great stubs is amazing so much fun but indoors in a club just 300 people everybody tied in like madness and we're all like are we gonna die from this

is this are we gonna get sick from this this is what i was already doing like vitamin infusions and shit though i was holding off all the colds yeah i was keeping everything at bay i was fucking on top i was on point i was doing hyperbaric chamber sessions i was doing vitamin ivs i was pretty fucking healthy just to try to like if this shit comes i gotta be ready yeah you know but uh and then i was hooked once we started doing that i said okay well just i'm just gonna like really take care of myself and you know just fucking go back to doing shows yeah it well i mean it changed it i mean yeah it's

the uh being around people it's everything it's like going to uh a restaurant going to any like you just that you know getting people back together is it's you you everybody you saw how much you missed it well that was one of the things that really sold my kids on texas you know we when we came out here i was just disillusioned with la and i was very confused as to what the fuck they were doing and when they wouldn't let people do outside shows and they wouldn't let restaurants are open they wouldn't even let restaurants serve outside in some places. It was fucked. And it was just like you're seeing these dipshits like the mayor of L.A.

that Eric Garcetti guy is a fucking idiot. You're seeing that guy like telling people what to do. And I was like, this is a disaster. I got to get the fuck out of here. But I didn't know what to do. And I thought about moving to Utah at one point in time. I was going to get a mountain house. I thought about moving to Montana. I was like, I just got to get the fuck out of this city. Like, I don't trust these people. I don't want to be under their governance. And then we came to LA with a bunch of friends from

California that were thinking about moving to Austin. And we said, you know, and I was like, you know, I don't know. I wasn't sure if I wanted to move to Austin, but like maybe that's a good place to be. I always loved it here. And my fucking kids, when they came here, and you know, they were 10 and 12 at the time, and they were like, why doesn't anyone have masks on? How come it's different here?

Like we'd go to a restaurant, we were just sitting in a restaurant, like this is like normal? This is normal? normal we went had barbecue outside and everyone's friendly and like and then we went to the lake and uh we were on the lake and the lady who was showing us this house she's very smart my friend bridget she's a good friend now she took us out on a boat on the lake and my kids were like we're jumping in the water and laughing and and they're like I want to live here And my wife is like oh And I go let's buy a fucking house here

We don't like it You know we'll try it out for a year and then it became was tried out for a year and then as soon as here We are soon as we lived here my kids Immediately loved it like they made friends like normal kids like normal kids that don't want to be fucking reality TV stars Like well, I think that's the biggest is to get around Regular people. I've been back in Nashville for seven years. I think where I'm from and Our daughter we moved back when she was two and but it's like my family's there and like she goes to school And she's rides the bus and your parents live there. Yeah, my parents are there my family's there and like she goes to school and she rides the bus and your

parents live there yeah my parents are there my wife's parents are about an hour away like everybody's super close so we see our family often yeah and uh and we're i mean luckily i'm from nashville and nashville become a awesome town to move to and but they're you know our daughter goes to school rides the bus like it's trying to let her like have the most normal kind of like existence and i think it's it's good for comics because we are i'm doing normal things i'm doing you know it's like you're not uh even you know you're not thinking about the business the whole time like it's not like you you mean even though you do think about it you know but it's not as you're like yeah i still still got to go run. You know, we go watch her play softball and then we go do this.

And, you know, and it just makes it I think it just helps for your material. A hundred percent. It also like it lets your material be pure in that it's just really who you are and what you. And I never really had a problem with that. and what you and i never really had a problem with that but i know some people who would be hoping that they would get on a sitcom or hoping they would you know get a deal somewhere and so they would tone down bits or they would change bits they wouldn't do what's the most funny they would like pull back a little bit because and they would say you would see them say things like on twitter like oh you have virtue Fuck. I know what you're doing.

Like they're just trying to like signal to Hollywood. Like I'm on the right side. I'm in the tribe, you know, here's my black square. It's Tuesday. You know, it's like they, they were doing these things where it was, it was like real obvious that they were kind of captured by the idea of being a part of this system. Like if I play my cards right one day, I'll be Kevin Hart. If I play my cards right, one day I'll be Jimmy Fallon. I'll host a show, I'll do this. And so you're kind of captured by this possible promise of money

that comes from this weird place, which is Hollywood. Yeah. The television and film industry. Out here is none of that. And so it's free. It's just comic. It's just comedy. And the actual industry is podcasting

which is the best industry for comics it's the best industry for comics to be themselves and it's also the best industry for comics because you get promoted way more like like if you're if you're a comic and you're in with like all the podcasters like you're going on people's podcasts you're having like i was just on theo's, like you're going on people's podcasts. I was just on Theo's podcast. He was on mine. It was just fun as shit, having a great fucking time. Just talking, yeah. Just laughing our asses off.

And it's like the best promotion for both of us. Best promotion for him, best promotion for me. It's like everybody's like out there doing their thing and everybody benefits from it. It's not like this, you're waiting for someone to give you a gig thing, you're hoping someone gives you a deal. No, you're just living life and doing comedy

and you're rewarded for doing good comedy. You're rewarded for doing great sets. Like people talk about it like, oh man, you should have seen Nate last night, holy shit, that's funny. And people get talking about it on podcasts and it benefits everybody. It's not like that,

it rewards you for being real as opposed to, like, you know, settling into that system. Yeah. It makes it you can be yourself. Yeah. So you're completely yourself, which is, as a comedian, that's what you are selling is yourself. Yeah.

You're going, I am me. This is what I'm doing. And then that's what it is. Exactly. I think it's,'s yeah it is interesting to uh I like when I went to when I moved I lived in LA for two years and then it was like going auditions and I just was like terrible at them like I can only talk like this and I don't know how to not do this I wasn't uh I remember getting a call back somewhere and they were like she was like if you dyed your like beard and hair just black you look young enough and then i go back to the call back still looking like this

and i think i was like oh you wanted me to do this for the call back and i didn't realize that and i was like but what if i don't get it like i'm gonna die i just die my walking around weird black yeah and then you're like and y'all say, I'm just, the odds are I'm not getting this. Right. So I'm not going to go do something that's so crazy just to be like, nah, we're good, dude. Why can't they imagine you with dark hair? What are they, stupid? I don't know.

How hard is it to dye? It takes 10 minutes. That's where it's like, they're looking for something. It's out of your hands. Isn't there some stuff that they can just spray? Like when girls do purple hair and they can just rinse it right out? You can do that. Yeah, that could have probably been.

I could have probably done that. I didn't think about any of this at the time. That shit they do on your face, though, I know that guys have put that like, I don't know if it's Just For Men or some other company, they put stuff on their beard and it gives them a chemical burn on their face. It's fuck guys' faces. Oh, that's crazy. I don't know which, find out what that is.

Like there's stuff that guys do where they try to get rid of the gray on their beard. And maybe it's whether you leave it in long or maybe people are allergic to it. But I went down a rabbit hole once and I saw a bunch of dudes with like burned faces. to it but I went down a rabbit hole once and I saw a bunch of dudes with like burned faces well you can't you not like you've already shown your gray like if they've already seen it then it's like can't go back can't like yeah if you'd like tomorrow show up here and just try to be normal and just we both have just very black beards and we're like hello we thought about doing that for Sober October because like all of us are going bald oh I'm fully bald that for Sober October because all of us are going bald. Well, I'm fully bald, but Ari's pretty bald.

Tom's bald. Bert's going bald. We should wear wigs. It's just for the whole month. The whole month. The whole month you have to wear a wacky toupee. Yeah. Get one glued on.

You have to wear it every... They make fucking good ones, though. I know some guys who have toupees and you're like, damn, I can't even tell. I guess it's called a lace front where the front, you know, like your hairline, like I can see through to your scalp and that's how it looks in the beginning and then the rest of it is all filled in. I don't think I'm a good toupee person. I don't think I can tell.

Like I'm saying, I fall for it. Because you have a full head of hair. Yeah. Oh, so that's why, that's how you know. Just for men's hair dye, I fall for it. Because you have a full head of hair. Yeah. Oh, so that's why. That's how you know. Just for men's hair dye, users report allergic reactions. Yeah, see if you can find some images. Because there were some gross images of dudes with burns on their face,

like chemical burns all over their face. But they might have used some wacky shit. And that's where you go do that just to go, we're going to pass. We're not going to take you. as someone who's dyed their hair before you are supposed to check your skin to see if you have an allergic reaction before you do everything is in your face like such a dude thing they go i'll be all right what is going on with that guy over there this one the one to the right of that oh man what is happening with him that look oh he still has the dye on oh it goes horrifically wrong.

Okay, let's see. Oh, he dyed his beard for his girlfriend. Man's girlfriend dyed his beard. Oh, boy. Let's pretend you're 20. Oh, yeah, that's what I saw. And he's like, is this what you wanted? You fucking asshole.

Is this what you wanted? You're dying to my face. Yeah, what if that shit's permanent? That's fucking... Remember, well, I don't remember Brody Brody Stevens had his face lasered cuz he Brody's a hairy motherfucker his hair would go like like a wolf Oh all the way up to his eyeballs And so he got his cheeks lasered off and someone burnt a hole in his fucking cheek Think yeah, it was bad man. He was super self-conscious about it.

And Brody was already, like, struggling with depression. He was very upset by it. The guy, like, he had a hole in his face. Like, it was like a large divot where this guy had fucking burned a hole in his face, removing his face hair. And he just burns the hair off permanently? Yeah, it's like girls do it with their coot.

Yeah. I want to do it with my... Guys can do it on their back. Yeah? I don't have a ton of hair on my back, but it's enough. I it with their coot yeah i don't want to do it my guys could do it on their back yeah i don't have a ton of hair on my back but it's enough i got do you shave it i my wife shaves it i can't shave it myself obviously there's a thing supposedly i was just i've never done it you're gonna miss a patch yeah and they just have like a you're like what's that he goes swimming and it's just the weirdest beach fucking weird question it's worse than having a full back hair yeah it's just the weirdest fucking weird question it's worse than having a full back hair yeah it's just like this weird i don't mind my back hair it doesn't bother

me at all well yeah you didn't i had my wife shaved it and went to uh like once it is night when you don't have it you're i think about it some but then you're like i don't know then you forget about it then you're like where am I with my shirt off to like? You're just you're yeah, I'm not sure. It's not off enough To commit to it right it's not like in a situation where I'm like super worried about it. Yeah Well a back hair doesn't doesn't bother me Chest hair doesn't bother me there my pubes could get a bit unruly. Yeah. But that's where Manscaped comes in. They've developed a razor specifically for your ball sack.

Yeah, that's good. Manscaped has what they call the lawnmower. It's just for your sack. It's nice. You have a cigar in you. Do I? Yeah. Where is it at?

Well, it's right in the middle now. Do I get it? I think so. We'll find out in a little bit. I have a tiny I get it? I think so. We'll find out in a little bit. I have a tiny little gap there. I think everybody has a gap. Yeah. Do they?

Or no? Did I get it? Yeah, you're good now. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, man. Yeah, the gray hair thing is a weird thing because women don't like it at all. They do not like going gray.

But a guy can go gray and it makes him look like a man of distinction. He's got experience. Well, I think if everybody gradually lets themselves go whatever they want to go. It's like, if you let everything go, like, I think, I was thinking about it, like, sometimes you see, I just saw a thing of, just because someone posted something, Diane Keaton, she looks unreal. Like, but I, like, just because someone posted something about Diane Keaton. She looks unreal. But I, like, I mean, she's got to be 70-something.

Well, let me see a picture of Diane Keaton. Well, look at Keanu Reeves' girlfriend. Like, she's full gray hair. Oh, really? Yeah, she's full head of gray hair. Looks great. You know, I think, like, that looks good. Yeah.

I think that looks better to me than, than this shit. Yeah. Yeah. Your face. I don't know. Yeah. I think whatever,

if she does something, it's like, it makes it look very natural. She looks like a healthy older woman. Yes. Who's lived a long life. Yeah. That's good.

I like it. Yeah. Dress is very fun. What did I say about Ellen DeGeneres? Did Ellen cunt over her? Oh, she says the set exudes happiness. She was nice to her. Never mind.

I guess let's take it all back. They let Ellen run it back. I'll be honest with you. Run it back, Ellen. Yeah, Diane Keaton should come back and pretend she's an assistant. Put on a mask and see how it goes. There you go. I meet the real Ellen now. He goes, what's that? She gets hit in the back with the back of the head what was that hey cunt where's my fucking coffee yeah

oh it's a little different isn't it funny how that like people found out that she wasn't that person and they freaked but they're watching the show like they let her have a very long gradual i that's what i understand it was like it was people got mad and then it was like all right take your time on the way out yeah do a farewell season and you're like oh i thought y'all like hated her like i thought it was bad but well i think it was probably sometimes bad and those sometimes bad moments when you rack them up over 14 years or whatever the fuck it was she was doing her show That looks horrible. You know she probably had some rough day look. She's a fucking performer She's and also she grew up a gay woman is probably she's probably got fucked with and she probably just felt

Discrimination a lot of shit probably harbor some resentment man, who knows what great comedian too and there's also very good comedian and also there's this thing where you kind of get away with it because when you're on a set like you know what it's like like everybody's like if you're the star of the show everybody comes to you with a bagel and coffee and they kiss your ass and if you're susceptible to that if you don't self-audit you can get sucked into that and start thinking you're that fucking person it's wild i shot a pilot i mean i even see it sometimes on the road but it's like i shot a pilot and uh it was you have like people that are just they're like it'll be like they

bring you you want starbucks you can say anything anything anything you want get me barbecue i want a bar yeah you want barbecue i want whatever you want you're like barbecue. I want a bar. Yeah. You want barbecue. I want whatever you want. You're like, I want to drive a Nissan Sentra today. Yeah. Someone will go figure out how to do that. Yeah. And if you don't, like you said, if you don't self audit, if you don't realize this is crazy. That's what I was like, you got to have like, I got a lot.

I still talk to like all my high school buddies and stuff like that. But you need people that are going to be regular people. So you can't, if you're like, like hey do you want to go uh to Alaska tomorrow and you need someone that's like I got like a job and stuff and like my family and I can't yeah you know that's insane that you want to go do something like that you're like that is insane that is insane that I said that and I needed to be reminded because you can get a little squirrely because your hours are different and you're just like what are you doing tomorrow? You want to go caving? And they're like, I got to work, man.

I got to work, dude. My daughter has fucking cheer practice. She's got cheer. Then I got the dentist. The son's got Little League. What the fuck are you talking about? What is your life, dude? You're going to Alaska?

That is right. You're going to get eaten by a bear and I'm going to be like, foul ball. And then they're like, do you want to go out to dinner on Saturday night or they are you out of your mind Saturday night so I can't wear it's the only time I can't go yeah would you like to go to lunch at uh 12 a.m on a Wednesday and they're like what that's the one thing about comics that you hang out with people that have that wacky schedule you get accustomed to that you wind up texting your friend at two o'clock in the morning he's like bro why the fuck are you texting me I'm sleeping oh and you get accustomed to that. You wind up texting your friend at two o'clock in the morning. He's like, bro, why the fuck are you texting me? I'm sleeping.

Oh, and you have no clue. You're like, oh, I'm asleep at two. Yeah, you're like, who are you, dude? Did you not do a late show? Yeah, yeah. That doesn't make sense.

And you get so used to like waking up late too. If I texted a comic at 10 and they were like, oh, I fell asleep, I would be like, so you quit comedy. Yeah.

I guess that's your wife telling me because how are you yeah this is sadness when people quit comedy you know when someone's good and they quit comedy i get bummed out man i really do quit like i don't want to name names but quite a few friends oh like yeah we're pretty good yeah guys who were opening acts for me who i felt like had some potential and they just, you know, for whatever reason. And a lot of times they get sucked into the business. They want to be in writers.

And there's a good living in being a writer. So, you know, you'll be getting those steady paychecks. But, you know, there's a few guys that I think literally are some of the best comics in the world. But they, Owen Smith, you know Owen Smith from LA? That motherfucker is one of the best comics in the world, but they, Owen Smith, you know, Owen Smith from LA, that motherfucker is one of the best comics on earth. He is so funny and so polished and so likable. He's such a nice guy and so smart. And I'm always blown away that that guy

is not headlining arenas all over the, he should be, Owen Smith should be headlining arenas all over the world. He's a fucking assassin. But he's a show runner, he's doing these things, he's doing, but he knows. Which is a crazy thing to go be, is a show runner. He's very successful, it's not a bad thing that he's doing well in Hollywood, but I feel like as a comic, I feel like it just sucks that he's not recognized for this one thing that he does so well.

He's so funny, man. Yeah, I try to think like seeing guys stop. They do become writers. Yeah. Like I've seen a lot of comics that they come up and they're, I mean, like really be doing spots. You're like, it's not like it's like someone half doing it. Right, killing. Killing and fully doing it right killing killing and

fully doing it and then they go and they get into writing but it's i think people find their you know you kind of find whatever lane yes that you're kind of like all right well then this seems the path for me in this scene like that's like auditioning i learned like all right well i'm gonna have to either write a show for myself or and and just be a stand-up and like just be this because I'm not I don't do well trying to be someone else or yeah I'm doing these auditions embarrassing right there you know it's like I mean some of them I emailed a lady and apologized because it was so bad I was like I shouldn't have been in there because i had to like you emailed her yeah what a nice guy you are well i just it was she was very nice and she was always like bringing me into stuff because i don't always get brought in because it's like i you know i talk different like i think in theory they want

like me to uh you know it's like yeah this guy's different and then i go show them that it's like it's not going good and and then they're like that's not what we thought I was like yeah and then uh so I emailed her apologized I had uh the luckiest run in Hollywood of all time because I only auditioned for two shows and I got both of them you're the news radio and no a show called hardball and then a show called news radio so I did hardball it was a show on Fox I did that and then I went from hardball and then a show called news radio so it was a show on fox i did that and then i went from hardball i went to news radio wow so it was like i was working like right away how long was hardball on real quick six seven episodes it was a disaster

it was an interesting situation though because the guys who wrote it um they were really jeff and kevin jeff martin and kevin curran i think those are names really funny guys who wrote on the simpsons and they wrote on married with children and they were really funny but they were like kind of introvert writer guys who are really cool and just like kind of like kind of nerdy but fucking great writers and then fox bought the pilot we did a pilot me and jim brewer jim brewer was on it with me and jim and i were good buddies yeah so we had a great fucking time and uh mike star from goodfellas was in it and a couple other people and we did this pilot and it got picked up and then when it got picked up they were like yeah but you guys can't be a showrunner you don't know what you're doing like we're going

to bring in a real showrunner and they brought in this showrunner who just butchered the thing just turned it into this shitty like cut and paste copy paste sort of pot of a sitcom and it was terrible and it got canceled that's why you need ow need Owen Smith to go be a showrunner. Yeah. You actually need people that's going to go in there. Yeah, in that case. In that scenario. Well, we needed those guys.

Jeff and Kevin should have been the guys who, it was their idea. They were baseball fans, and they had this idea of doing this baseball sitcom, and that was what it was. Phil Rosenthal had that with Everybody Loves Raymond. They tried to get someone else to showrun him, and he was what it was phil rosenthal had that with everybody loves raymond they tried to get somebody else to show run him and he was like no he just was like uh we just won't he's gonna quit it was like and just stood the ground they said all right thank god i got news radio because they fired ray romano oh yeah ray romano was the original character that i played so they fired Ray

Luckily they fired Ray during the pilot and then they hired another guy During the pilot to to play my part and then they fired him so I wasn't taking Ray's job I was taking the guy who took Ray's job because I was friends with Ray. Yeah, so it's like, you know Sometimes something like that will happen and you think it's the fucking end of the world. But for Ray, it was like the greatest thing that could have ever happened to him because then he went on to do his own thing and it was fucking brilliant. Yeah. That's interesting to like just with that pilot I shot. You see like they have to fire people and like, you know, like you think about like the kid actors.

Like they're not doing you got to go tell a seven year old, like it's all right, that's enough. And it's over. And you're like, this is a brutal world. I always think that with the pilots too, like that's, what's crazy with TV is you go,

they spend a million dollars, $2 million on a pilot. And then they say no. And you're like, well, they shot it. Like it's a real TV show. There's hundreds and hundreds and probably thousands of TV shows.

Yeah. With huge actors. Yeah, that never went anywhere. That never went anywhere. You're like, how do you not like put those at, like, I thought someone said on Twitter once, it was like, you should have a channel that's like a pilot channel. And you're just like, these are the shows that didn't, and then just see what they do. Like, you know, there's an episode or there's this and yeah how do you not use that well there probably could be a channel of all

failed pilots where they could show them all i mean you would see yeah unbelievable amounts of like the people that came huge stars that did these pilots that went nowhere it's hard to do one of those things man to put together an actual pilot and have it come out and be a real show that is fucking that's a grind because you got a lot of moving pieces you got a lot of different executives with their and they all have their own little hot takes on how things you like people aren't funny at all and they'll come in and tell you nate i like what you're doing but i wish you were just a little bit more active. Maybe you come in, you're jogging in place,

you're distracted, and you're like, what? Do I have to listen to this? And then the showrunners have to meet with the executives, and the executives want to bring in a gay friend, and they want to bring in a handsome guy. There's all these different pieces that get shoved into the mix so many cooks in the kitchen it's amazing how many shows come out good at all oh it's in it's borderline impossible that a show could get made they'd always a big one when i

would write the shows they'd always talk about conflict and so you turn it in they're like we just don't know where the conflict is and i was like everybody has cancer everybody everybody in the show Is that is that good still show done exactly like it is but everybody's a cancer one person has a gun That's the conflict It always has to be conflict, but you know I mean really it's just about Interactions, it's just about funny interactions. It's. The cast is a big part of it. You have to believe that cast.

Everything kind of does have to come together, but they get in... You know, the one I shot was a multicam, and so they always wanted to do a multicam. I would always take out multicams or write multicams because in theory they want to do these multicams because they're cheaper and all this stuff.'re like you're going to pitch it to someone that's not watching a multicam like they don't watch it so you they're watching all these

you know uh single camera shows or everything that's cool so then they see the multicam because they their business side of their minds wants this cheap way to make a show but then when they go to make the decision they're like I don't like that the way it looks I'm doing this because you told me to write it this way but you watch, you're only watching this other thing but weirdly enough those

multicams are the ones that are still on Seinfeld, News Radio is that still on? it was on forever look at all the these you know Seinfeld King of Queens Raymond these shows are monsters still today but they don't do them anymore nothing but no is there no that's what I mean how many of them are on TV Big Bang Theory was the last pride giant one yeah I don't know if there's one. Netflix had the one with Ashton Kutcher.

What did they do? What was that? Multicam. Oh, that was the old show that they brought back. Yeah. What the fuck was that? I forget what it was called. But it was.

70s show, right? Wasn't it? No, no. They brought that back. No. The Ranch or something like that maybe? Oh, what is that? I don't even know what that is.

About a family on the ranch? I hope it's about a ranch did you ever watch surprisingly not about a ranch yeah sure what did you watch everything when you were young yeah yeah but like as an adult but did you watch anything as an adult uh when i have stopped no i stopped watching the stuff probably like you know i was in college and high school. Do you go back and watch Seinfeld? I remember I watched Curb Your Enthusiasm, and I'm like, well, this is the end. Because this is so good, they're never going to go back to doing it the other way. There's The Ranch. The Ranch.

Yeah, but they did. That's a sitcom. Yeah, but I still go back and watch Seinfeld and Raymond. Right, but do you watch it like- I watch Seinfeld and Raymond right but do you watch it like I watch Seinfeld everyday what is that donuts thing what the fuck is that I don't have any idea

Superior Donuts 2017 get the fuck out of here Judd Hirsch there's some of those shows it's like where did that go it's like the Miss Pat show not a multicam show that's a very good show Miss miss pat shows a very good show that is fucking funny and i was like when when miss pat was saying she was gonna do a sitcom like god damn it

she's so raw have you ever done a podcast with her no one of the funniest fucking human beings has ever lived she's so funny and her story so crazy. She was pregnant at 14 with a crack dealer's baby. She was selling crack. She got one of her nipples shot off. She's crazy. And she's hilarious. And they nailed it. They figured out how to cap.

But they also did it on streaming where it's on BET Plus, right? Yeah. And I think it's on something else now, too. Yeah, I just saw it, too. I don't know exactly what it is. Isn't it on streaming where uh you know it's on it's on bt plus right yeah and i think it's on something else now too yeah i just saw it too i don't know exactly isn't it on paramount i don't know it's on something else but find out what it's on checking that's last year it's renewed for a second season last year that's where stand-ups thrive in a multi in a multi-cam because there's an audience she's so powerful man she's such a powerful performer. And it's just like, you know, she's funny too, man. There was like this one girl that was on stage at the comedy store one night. And, you know, she was kind of like half-assing her set.

And Miss Pat was angry. She's like, this bitch is out there fucking barely even fucking trying. What the fuck is she doing? Get the fuck off that stage. Like she was like legitimate. Like she's such a force when she gets on stage and she goes for it. She had a hard life, you know? Yeah.

So when she sees someone like lazy, she gets crazy. It was, it was kind of hilarious. That's a thing that's filtered into, it's nice to like, you see that Miss Pat energy where you're like, yeah, this is a show. Yes. Whatever you think the con, like if you're like, this is a show yes whatever you think the con like if you're like well we're at the comic store working out you're like they audience paid yeah and they're spending a lot of money to come out right i'm this is not i'm sorry you're not at madison square

garden at the moment but this is like when is it when is it enough that you go and like do your act and go do and like actually you you know, I don't know. She got a season three. Look at that. But it is on somewhere else too, right? It is available a few other places, but this was the news. She got a bigger deal with BET

to do more stuff than just this. Comics are good at scripted show. All the ones I'm talking about, they're all comedians. Yes. And there's your proof that I think people still want this because it's something that you can put on and it's not this full on

every show can't be like this whole thing. When you want to watch something, you're like, I love Narcos, but I haven't watched the last season because you're just like, I don't I mean, I love it so much, but you're like, I can't dive into 10 hours of just this again.

Murder. Murder. And I got to follow everything. Then I'm like, who's that guy? And you're like, I can't. And then, so I watched Seinfeld. Or I just watched something that, now I'm watching old movies or all this kind of stuff that you're like, I can kind of mindlessly kind of watch.

I don't feel like I have to be too involved in it because it's too much. Yeah. And there's too much of it that you end up going. That's why I believe like The Office and these shows are the most popular shows on these streaming because people are like i just want to like just veg yes yeah people like to do something that's like simple and it takes them away i said that i was uh watching with my family during the pandemic we were watching that ali wong show there's a show that ali wong is like one of this girl's neighbors she's like this overweight mom and there's the guy was the husband who's like a professor

And it was like a simple sort of sitcom II pretty funny I could watch it you know with my ten-year-old and we could laugh. Yeah, it was like nothing too crazy It was like I was like it's a vibe right like a sit stuff for families Yeah You gotta think TGIF when that was on that was about you and your family going around and watching TV. Friday. You watch all Friday night. Thank God it's Friday, yeah.

And stuff for families. I feel like a lot of TV now can separate even the wife and the husband. It's, you know, my wife watches all the housewife shows. Right. And then I'm watching, you know, Narcos. Murder. Murder, yeah. Like, just, and she's what shows how to murder me

and then God does she watches all that's like the women watch those fucking shows just an out there an out but they figure it like the one day they go in it cuz when it finally gets to it but they what they like watching like murder shows and murder mystery shows where it's like real crime like where they're talking about like serial killers it's like real crime like where they're talking about like serial killers It's like mostly women watching them. Do you think they're trying to like understand like what makes a male murderer? Is that what it is cuz they're not that like they're nosy There

Can't even let a serial killer live his own life. He's like I'm just trying to do my killings in peace Yeah, I walked in my my wife my daughter were watching this fucking documentary on uh the the that richard ramirez guy i think they like watching uh i i can get in moods where i want to watch that stuff but i i couldn't watch it every day uh my wife records uh dr phil people People's Court we still have DirecTV I have 150 People's Court

it's all her on the DVR and it's like she watches like that those are what she'll watch like kinda I guess Dr. Phil's still on

yeah yeah and so she watches Dr. Phil and then People's Court and then she'll watch that kind of stuff I'm really good friends with Dr. Phil's son

oh really yeah we're buddies party together Vacations our families together. Yeah, he's the best. He's a great guy He's like I always thought that like if you were the son of someone famous you had to be fucked He's so normal normal the fucking super great. Yeah, I heard dr. Phil's cool, too. He's the best I had him in here He was so fun. He was hilarious. I asked him about the Cash Me Outside girl because he made her famous. He's a fucking character. Isn't she like a real business now? Bro, she's

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How much does it cost? It turns out you can look up most of the stuff online. Oh, you mean we had it? 4chan? I've heard. What do you mean you've heard? You've seen you can look up most of the stuff online. Oh, you mean Reddit? 4chan? I've heard. What do you mean you've heard? You've seen it. I've looked.

Stop lying. I wouldn't do that. You do. I don't know what 4chan is. Really? Yeah, I've heard about it. I hear people say it. Stay pure, Nate.

Yeah. Stay off of it. Is it a Reddit? No. It's like Reddit on Adderall plus very little restrictions. Yeah. It's just wild people. Wild people stuck in cubicles that make the most ruthless and funny memes.

And they say ridiculous shit and they almost cause the insurrection of the Capitol. I mean, that's really what it is. I mean, that's the highlight of that film or the documentary series, Into the Storm, about QAnon. You aware of all? You know what that is? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so, you know.

Did you ever watch that documentary, the HBO thing? It's very interesting. It's called Into the Storm, and it's all about these people that get duped by these people pretending to be insiders in the Trump administration and saying how they're going to take down all the pedophiles and Trump is running some secret covert operation and he's going to bring down the swamp, and they all bought into it hook, line, and sinker, and it leads up to the January 6th insurrection. It's pretty fucking wild but it all starts on 4chan 4chan then 8chan and then what's the other one 8kun is that what it was

yeah that sounds right there's a lot of them i went in there the other day i went in one of them i think it was 4chan the other day i just said let me see what these psychos are up to it's just fucking it's madness man Because they're all anonymous. Everyone's anonymous, right? So you could post like the wildest shit. And it's basically shit posting. And they're saying things to try to be the most outrageous and try to freak each other out. It's freedom, right?

It's like, it's not real life. It's anonymous. It's not even your name. It's like numbers, right? Like who are you who knows say some crazy shit? So it's like people that fucking hate their job as insurance salesman, and they'll just type wild shit So here's for can for Chan right now for Chan is a simple image based bulletin board where any good anyone can post comments And share images, so let's find something in there go to

Yeah, careful comments and share images so let's find something in there go to yeah careful it's something controversial let's get go with controversy creative other business finance travel lbgt pony random I mean is everything controversial in here adult it can be yeah yeah yeah super soup it's like what would be like a good thing to check into that's extreme? Politically incorrect. Bam. Let's go to that one. Politically incorrect.

Accept. You have to accept. Comply with the rules. I like how it says rules in quotes because there's very few fucking rules. The rules of 4chan, which are also linked in the homepage. Okay, what kind of crazy shit are these people posting? What are they talking about? Mass shootings?

Fire festival. Pension for wearing your mother's clothes, perhaps? Or have you gone straight to walking? Yeah, see, like, whacking off to old school photos of your classmates. See, look, everyone is anonymous, right? So they're all just, like, typing wild shit. And scroll down lower. If you had, like, it's mostly young men

or older men with no families. That's our housewives? Yeah. Is these? I bet there's some fucking housewives in there too. But I think it's- No, I'm saying that's what like our wives watch housewives

and then their husbands are there. Yeah, I think it's mostly disenchanted people and they're attracted to this idea that they're completely anonymous and then they could just like have this community of people who are faceless nameless and they just talk wild shit to each other that's wild yeah i don't yeah i don't know why i mean i guess that appeals i guess you're going to be appealed to it more and more as the younger like as you grow up in this world well, I think for people it's it's a Way to communicate without any boundaries without completely being uncensored and without any repercussions because they're uncensored

But there are repercussions like I remember there's this one guy that was posted a bunch of wild shit Awful shit on 4chan and then people found out who he was and he got fired from his job and he was and he was just a normal guy and his his take was like hey that's not really me this is like I'm almost like playing a character like this is like fantasy for me it's fun I just cuz I wrote those things those are not my real thoughts no like get the fuck out of our office yeah you can't fired him which is interesting right because like He's not because if you wrote a movie right and then did all that he could win an Oscar Right right like you can have a movie where it's a celebrated movie where a man beats a woman to death like once upon a time

In Hollywood like spoiler alert. There's a scene in there where Brad Pitt beats a woman to death on a fireplace Smashes her head. It's fucking wild, but like if you talked about that on stage Like people would be like what the fuck is wrong with you You know if you wrote wrote that in a post on 4chan and then you know your employer found out about it You get fired which is very strange yeah I think I'm another I'm thinking about I think the guy might have done something really shitty I think he might have docked someone or something and then they got rid of them but it's just people think that that's

you know you have like a opportunity to just be free of expectations you know, you have like a opportunity to just be free of expectations, you know, because like, oh, you're Mike, you know, the fucking general manager of the fucking muffler shop. But meanwhile, you're on 4chan posting pictures of giant black dicks and fucking wild shit, you know, but it's, but could they get rid of that with like, if everybody had to have their real name on online or something? Yeah, it would ruin everything. Yeah. It would ruin that kind of community. Yeah.

Because that's not really real life. I mean, maybe some of those people have those real thoughts. Maybe some of those people are just, you know, playing. They're having fun pretending to be complete fucking assholes and then mixed in are real sociopaths real psychos who gravitate towards this and are trying to find like the most disturbing images of mass murder and throw those up too yeah so they would do you think there ever be a phase where you have to like you have like online real identity or is that good i think that will probably come about when there's no more privacy yeah which i think is on is on the way

i think privacy is uh i think privacy is going to go out the window i think that is the general direction where online uh life and technology are headed to the point where everyone has access to almost everything. If it's on, you know, if you're, if you're doing it online, I think everyone's going to have access to it. And it's, it's going to be very difficult to hide behind like fake identities and things like that. Like that can make you like that stuff. know it's like i feel like the older you get to like you start thinking like you're seeing people like you don't want to live in a city you want to live like away from you know like land like you want to buy you know i think about that more now like you're just like i want to buy some land somewhere well that's you want peace

yeah you get older you're just like what am am I doing? It is. That is, yeah. This is all fucking stupid shit. You get it. I want to wake up and hear birds chirping. Yeah. Yeah. And you see, like, you can see somewhere like 70, you're like, I don't care about anything. And you're like, I get how you would be there.

Yeah. Because you just stop caring. Well, you just get overwhelmed by external information and you don't want it anymore and you get to put you know what i'd like i'd like to go out in a fucking just a field and have lunch yeah just sit there and have my lunch out there with birds chirping and shit and just relax relax and don't be inundated by external information constantly which is what most of us, especially if you're on your phone all day. You're just inundated with external information. Non-stop. Non-stop.

I've cut out most of that in my life and it's made a significant impact. You know, initially I stopped on Twitter because I was realizing that it's just making me, it was disturbing me. Like it was bothering me. And there's like so many hateful people, so many angry people. I'm like, I don't just I don't like this and I don't think like this is like genuinely Constructive. I don't think they're getting anything done. It doesn't it just seems like they just

Monkeys throwing shit at each other Mike This is a terrible environment to like have your mind exposed to and so when I stopped doing that it helped me mind exposed to and so when I stopped doing that it helped me tremendously it was like a giant weight lifted off my first thing I stopped doing is reading my own mentions like years ago I stopped reading things that people were writing about me and that was nice I stopped reading comments on YouTube that was nice and then I stopped reading people I'm like occasionally I'll go into Twitter like once or twice a day just to say like what what's the zoo look like? And they're like, oh, look, monkeys throwing shit. Then I just get out of there. Yeah.

But it's not, I don't think it's a healthy environment. You know, it's just, there's so much, you know, you did this and you said that and fuck you and you should go to jail and we should try him for treason and this person should fucking. It's like, isn't there more to life? It's not balanced. But I think there's, if you, it's almost like the people on that world, we've given them the keys to the city. And you're like, that's nobody. Nobody's, that's literally a small, tiny group of people that are just living this world. The majority of them are just, like when you go do live shows and you're like,

yeah, dude, people are just going out. People are just going out to shows and they love shows and they have fun and whatever city that you think could be left or right

or whatever it is, the crowds are awesome and they're excited to be there and it's just fun. And then it's the acknowledgement of like, but all these people are saying all this.

You're like, it doesn't matter what they're saying. That's that website saying that. So don't go look at that website. It's not even remotely. You couldn't even go. I would go walk and randomly find people. Well,

we found one last night, that lady who yelled at Tony. Yeah. They, they get sucked in. So it's not that they don't exist, but you got to think that's one person out of all those people. Right.

Well, that's representative, right? Cause that's one person out of all those people. Right. Well, that's representative, right? Because that's one person out of 270 people. And so that's pretty normal. But if you get the whole country, that's millions of people. Like if you have one out of, you know, one out of a hundred and then you have 300 million people, you got 3 million fucking crazy people. And if they're on social media

and they're complaining on Facebook and you read their fucking posts, like, oh, you'll think this is the whole world. But this is a small percentage of people who are perpetually outraged and who engage in recreational outrage. Like that is part of the way they spend their day is being upset about things all day long. It not constructive it's not good for you i think it's very bad for your anxiety and your psyche oh yeah it's a shit way to communicate because even if you were talking to a person i firmly believe that if you were talking to a person that you really disagreed with but you that you were civil and calm and peaceful and you talk to them in in like a normal way you could probably avoid any kind of like name calling and shit it's things that people do when they don't see your face they're not

looking at you they don't feel bad if they insult you and they just do it like they're just sending a fucking carrier pigeon off with this this shitty note and not you know not knowing like who's going to receive it or how it's going to affect them. Imagine those old days, like you wrote something bad. I mean, it would take a month, right, to get that pigeon. You're like, the weekend, you're like, I hope the pigeon dies. I shouldn't have sent that. We're about to start a war.

We'll send a hawk after that pigeon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To get, that's their delete button. They're like, God, I shouldn't have. I wrote some crazy stuff last night. That's Game of Thrones, right? Send a raven. Yeah.

Yeah, send ravens. Send a message. Yeah. That's how they get all their messages. Yeah. Go back to those days. I don't think that's good either. What do you see in people in the, like, I've started hiking.

Oh, yeah? And, yeah, I've gotten pretty, we went to Calgary, and we went up to Banff, and we started doing some big long hikes and uh it's just like great it's just you're like this is the greatest thing i've ever done nature yeah it's the best yeah it's the best cleansing it's the absolute just seeing i like being outside yeah uh and you just i like the idea of you're like no one's i mean most hikes there's people on i want to go somewhere where like how do you go to where i want

to go somewhere where you're like in the like there's no one around right like i know like you like hunting and stuff right like you're going like out but it's like going to those places where you're like, you're just in it, dude. This is the wild. That's why I like Bigfoot, where you're like, there's so many places that we haven't even been to. There's just too many places. You think Bigfoot's real? I do, but.

Really? I just want, yeah. I want him to be real. What do I care? I went hunting for Bigfoot with Duncan. See, I would love that. Me and Duncan Trussell went hunting for Bigfoot. How'd it go?

It wasn't effective. And one thing that I found out, well, I had a bit about it, about one thing you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot is black people. You just find a bunch of unfuckable white dudes out there hunting for Bigfoot. You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot. They have not bought into that nonsense. It's just our thing. It's an unfuckable white guy thing.

And we were joking around about that with the guys who were out there doing it. They were laughing. They were like, yeah, it's like, I mean, it's fun. You know, at the worst he goes this guy was like i had a really good perspective on it you know he was he had a good sense of humor like we were joking with him he goes look worst case scenario you're just out camping yeah and it's awesome it's fun and there's like seeing things and there's a goal yeah best case scenario the world changes right you find an actual s Sasquatch. And Earth is different. Yes.

This thing, like, that's what I, like, so the idea of going out and being, not that I know how. I talked about this in my podcast about bears. And I got, I mean, no one, no one get mad. Our podcast is stupid. But it's. What is it called? Nate Land. It's just talking about being funny.

But I thought with, because I started watching all this bear stuff. Because there's a grizzly bear, like in Banff, they have a grizzly bear that comes down near the hotel. I don't know if you've been to Banff. There's a hotel, like a Fairmont hotel. And a grizzly bear will come down by the hotel. And there's so many people there. And they watch it, and it's got two cubs.

That's so dangerous. Oh, like, it's got two cubs, and, you know, it is what it is. That's so dangerous. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. But then I thought, we were talking about, like, running away from it, or if a bear attacks you, and I know you know how to do it, but what if you, if a bear's running at you, you juke it? You know how they tell you? But listen, Joe. So the bear is coming quick. And then you go hey bear uh and then

go the other way his momentum you know what he does falls forward and because he's dumb nope he turns and he catches you because he's used to doing that with deer that are a lot faster than you that's true uh you know what get you you ever seen a bear run full clip uh they run like a car yeah you have no idea kobe bryant jumped over a car. Yeah. You have no idea. Kobe Bryant jumped over a car. He did. That's Kobe Bryant and that's not you or me. That's true. The bears. But give him a nice. I got one janky name. You ever watch footage of Barry Sanders? Yes. You don't think Barry Sanders could juke a bear? I know Barry Sanders couldn't juke a bear. All day long. Nope. No, he'd be eaten. We'd have one less Barry Sanders couldn't juke a bear. All day long. Nope. No, he'd be eating. We'd have one less Barry Sanders.

A bear doesn't know to watch your chest until you watch your head. They don't give a fuck. You can't run. But if one's coming at you, would you at least try to juke it? I'd probably think, what have I done that I'm out here with no gun and a bear that's what I would think that'd be my last thought you fucking dummy yeah why don't you have a gun on Bigfoot Bigfoot Bigfoot guy yeah did you ever see Bobcat Goldthwait's Bigfoot movie it's really good

Bobcat Goldthwait made I think think it's something Creek. What is it called? Woodland. What is it? Willow Creek. Yeah. It's a Blair Witch Project type movie about these guys who go, this guy and his girlfriend or wife go to try to find Bigfoot on the anniversary of the Patterson footage, which is like the most famous Bigfoot, fake Bigfoot footage. But it's, and they film it like, you know, like they're doing like a fun sort of documentary type thing.

And then they have an encounter. And it's good, man. It's good. It's a horror movie. Yeah. But it's like, Bobcat is a bad motherfucker. He's a very underrated director. You know, he made a couple really fucking good movies.

Like, there was one, Shakes the Clown, that was, like, about an alcoholic, crazy clown. It was really funny. Like, really, like, dark movie. And then he made another one about something America. God Bless America or something. Yep. Is that what it was it god bless America yeah that that is another fucking wild crazy movie from 2011 he made a couple fucking really good movies man really underrated director but Willow Creek is my favorite it's fucking good and as a person who's been obsessed with Bigfoot his whole life, I just, my parents took me camping once when I was like eight or something like that.

When we first moved to California, we went camping in the Redwoods, like out that area. And I remember thinking, like, there could be something living out here. I mean, there's just nothing. I mean, no one's around there. There's not enough people around there. But the odds are it's not possible to hide something that big for that long. You'd find a body. You'd find bones.

You'd find something. But you don't really find dead mountain lions. Like, try finding a dead mountain line they die all the time well they have like in florida they have pumas are very hard to see well they get hit by cars all the time in florida well nevermind yeah they got like recently like a ton of them have been hit by cars like i think there was like like pumas are kind of endangered in florida which is really weird because they I think recently on like one in one month, four of them got hit by cars.

See if you can find something about that, which they're like, what the fuck is going on? Like, are there more of these than we thought? Like, what is, what's happening here? Yeah. What are the odds of that? Yeah. But, but pumas are, you know, an established animal to, to have like some crypto zoological creature like Bigfoot that's undetected.

But it's fun. It's fun. I want to believe. Yeah. But I don't really. Well, that's like in the ocean. Like they find some big fish, you know, or some big whale. Like extra, like some, and you're like, I don't know, dude.

We never knew it was down there. The compelling, there's two. Well, don't they think aliens could live in the ocean? I mean, that's how much... That was Jeremy Corbell was talking about that the other day. It's hard to say what kind of information he's getting, how accurate it is, but they're basically saying,

think about the movie Abyss where the aliens lived underwater. He was like, that's probably what's going on. There's some sort of alien base underwater or some meeting place where that's where they hide. That's where they go to be undetected. Do you think you're going to see it in your lifetime? Bigfoot or aliens? Aliens.

Like, you know, where it's like, oh, like we have to like talk to them now. We have to like interact with them. Well, there are, there's video that is impossible to ignore. There's some things that is impossible to ignore. There's some things that are impossible to ignore. And then there's eyewitness testimonies of people who are rock solid, totally dependable, like fighter pilots. Yeah. Who have seen some things. Like the best example is this guy, Commander David Fravor, who was off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

And this is corroborated by multiple points of data. They had this tracking system that tracks things above Earth's atmosphere and they found this thing went from above 60,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet above sea level in less than a second. They have no idea how it's doing this. They have no idea. There's no method of propulsion that's visible.

They followed this thing. They locked onto it. It blocked their radar. It blocked their tracking systems, rather. And then it jetted off at an impossible rate of speed. And then the Nimitz relocated this thing at their cat point. The cat point is where the fighter pilots, when they're doing this test, they're doing this exercise, they were supposed to meet at this very specific point. And that's where this thing had gone. Like this thing had read their manifest or read their plans and knew where they were going. What's wild? That is way more compelling to me than Bigfoot.

The Bigfoot thing is just fun, but the alien thing is fun and likely. There's something going on. And I go back and forth. Sometimes I think maybe it's some sort of government drone that's so sophisticated and it's totally top secret. And if we ever go to war with China, that's when they're going to break it out. And then sometimes I think what they are is something that's monitoring us and making sure we don't blow ourselves up, making sure that we make this journey from territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons into some sort of an advanced intergalactic society. And that there's a very crucial moment where the instincts of these tribal people, which is all of us, all human beings, these tribal territorial people, where you have to keep them from sabotaging

any possible future progress by blowing themselves up, by killing each other, by destroying the earth. What if we talk to them and then when you say that, they go, yeah, that was it. Is that easy? Not that easy, but you just go go is that it you go? Yeah, that's about it We're trying to keep you guys about yourselves. This is like, but maybe that's like the natural thing that you see like when civilizations advance like there's a very precarious moment where like they have the capability of blowing themselves up But the reason and the logic to not do it, but they also have these instincts to control resources and take over territories.

They still have those instincts, but they have to bypass that. They have to figure out how to. And so that's when aliens start circling and just keeping an eye on us. Yeah. Because that's the primary. That's what you would hope, right? Instead of them attacking us. Yes.

Because then so. I think if they were going to attack us, they would have already done it. If they really could do all those things, they could probably take out our power grid pretty easy. Apparently, the stories are that they're able to shut down nuclear launches and nuclear facilities. And that they do that. And they hover over military bases. And that they'll just shut everything down just to let you know, hey bitch,

you know, I can just flip that switch. So don't get too fucking squirrely out there. That's so crazy thing that they, yeah. Because I always think about it too, if you did, if you lost everything, electricity, I mean, it just shuts everything down. Then if everything gets shut down everywhere, then it's a wrap.

Well, if we went out, if the power went out in this country for two weeks, it would be full, complete, total chaos. All the work that's been done back to zero. Back to very dangerous times because there'd be very little food within a few days. If we had no refrigeration, no air conditioning, and no shipping, it would be very bad very quickly. Like there'd be a few people living on ranches that know how to survive and a few people that, you know, know how to hunt and fish and have a good supply. Yeah. See, that's what makes me want to, you know know there's part of me that wants to go learn a how to survive like when you get into hiking like getting into and hiking i know is not surviving but it's i've started watching more stuff that lead you know that are talk about surviving or people go hunting i watched like well i was listening to bear attacks because i

just got like once i once i heard about that grizzly bear then i just go down i just listen to only bear attacks and several friends have been attacked by bears yeah i listened to uh steve rinella yeah yeah that's the one i listened to remy warren steve could have juked it uh it was behind him but they like those guys but you see it when you start doing all that stuff and learning how to survive because you're like all right if everything goes because it is it's like the idea of being you're like you're just trusting that all this is going to turn on right and then if it doesn't it's it's not good right then you're gonna and you're gonna die and so it's like that i like lately you're just like, I'm nervous about, I don't like, this is out of my hands.

Yeah. So I need to get something back. I saw that, not compared to stand-up comedy, but in a way with stand-up was like at the beginning, like you put all the focus on a comedy club. I want to get passed at this club. And then you're like, I don't want this club to have all my cards. Right. And if this club decides not use me and i've put 15 years in trying to do that now i'm done and so you want like stuff spread out

that's the problem with guys get a residency in like vegas yeah like george wallace who's fucking hilarious george wallace got a residency in vegas when he was like a top touring comic like he had a big name he had been on television a bunch of times. And he got this residency in Vegas and he was there for a long fucking time. And then he goes on the road now and it's not commensurate. Like his audience is not at the level that they should be. And it's just because he spent so much time doing this residency instead of like being like Brian Regan or some of these other guys who tour of his massive following all over

the country. Like he doesn't have that anymore because he put all his eggs in that one basket. Yeah. That scares me. Yeah. That scares me. Yeah. Yeah.

And you go do it maybe later. Yeah. That's like a move you make later. The only guy I know who does it as happy is Carrot Top. He loves it. Yeah. But he does other gigs, too. He'll travel.

I think he has a place in Florida, too, so he goes down to Florida. He'll do other gigs. He'll do, like, casinos. He'll do stuff like that, too. But he's happy, and he does really well. Yeah, I think I'm a big fan. He's a great fucking guy, man. He's a great fucking guy. And he was really well. Yeah. I, I, I think I'm a big fan. I've never seen him. I've never met him.

He's a great fucking guy, man. And he was a punchline for comics. They shit all over him for years. Yeah. I never understood that. Cause it was, I never understood it either.

It was like no one, I never knew. Cause you're like, well, who's doing that? Like you're acting. People always think something's easy. So they always think they do it.

The Larry, the cable guy or something. They go, Oh, I'll go do that. You're like, then go do it and make $50 million. go do that if it's that easy right it's you can't to get to that level there's something else and the work that they're putting in it's

it's beyond just like uh that's an easy way there's no easy way well carrot top told a story about Bill Hicks because Bill Hicks used to shit on carrot top and he had this bit about you know carrot top that's like for people think Gallagher's too heady but it was just a joke and in and he met carrot top met Bill before he died, and Bill came to see his show. And Bill was sick. And Carrot Top met him. He goes, I thought you hated me. He goes, man, I don't fucking hate you.

He goes, I don't hate anybody, man. I'm sorry. And, like, they had a moment. Yeah. And it was, like, just before Bill died. Oh, that's good. It was really cool. Yeah.

But it was, like. It's a joke. Yeah. It's just comedy, man. And it's just,'s just it's a joke yeah it's like it's just just comedy man and it's just like it's a a target it's an easy it's a cultural like hot point yeah like here's this guy's got fucking balloon animals and he's you know holding up signs and shit but it's funny it's a sign uh in a weird way that carrot top that's how successful right is that you are the one that is brought into right but but I understand caretop being it would

He would probably assume everybody hates him. Wow, and you can be and he's probably alone. Yes. He's an island Yeah, I always refer to certain comics as an island because there's certain comics that aren't hanging out with other comics They're just on their own or they're touring on their own and maybe they have an opening act or movie is a local act act to open for them but they don't have like a community and it's one of the things i try to enforce in these guys coming up i'm like man your community is everything it's so it's so important like whether it's the seller or the store or here in austin like it's like having a community of a bunch of like really good comics live in the area you get together do shows and laugh and joke around like that's so important for your psyche because there's not a lot of us out there.

I mean real professional comedians that are really funny that you would want to pay to see, how many of them are there? It's not a bunch. A couple hundred? Yeah. In the world? Yeah. I mean there might be 500 really good comics in the world. You know, I mean, there might be, you know, 500 really good comics in the entire country.

Yeah. Like, really solid headliners that could sell out a room in the country. There might be 500. That could sell out a room? Yeah. I don't know. 200?

300? 200 to sell out, like, to be a draw? Yeah. I mean, that's... To be, like, a solid headliner. Yeah. Like, when you be a draw. Yeah. I mean, that's. To be like a solid headliner. Yeah. Like when you become a real professional comic, like you can be a professional comic. It's a lot.

In the process, like you're almost doing an apprenticeship, you're a middle act, you're a host, you're kind of a professional comic and then you're paying your bills. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right? But you're not like headlining. Yes. Like to get to the point where you're headlining and people come to see you, how many of them are those?

How many of those are there? It's got to be closer to the point where you're headlining and people come to see you, how many of them are those? How many of those are there? I bet it's got to be closer to the 200. Yeah. I guess you can go a little bit, you know. Maybe it's more than 200. Probably that two to five. Let's get crazy and say it's 1,000. It's eight.

Let's get crazy and say it's 1,000. Let's go. The opposite, four. Okay. Let's get crazy. 1,000. That's out of 330 million. Yeah. Let's go. I thought we were going to do the opposite. Four. Okay. Let's get crazy. A thousand. That's out of 330 million. Yeah.

That's nuts. That's nuts. That's a rare group of humans, and we've got to stick together. Yeah, I love that. I think that's, when I go on the road, I bring, I have two openers, and it's all different ages of, you know, it's, Mike Vecchecchione I started with will come out with me some. And like, and then it's guys that are younger, Dustin, you know, Dustin Chafee that I started with, then guys that are younger. And it's like you mix it up and you're, because you're, it's about the hang.

Yeah. That A, it's like nice to know what's going on in the comedy world. You kind of somewhat need to, you're kind of, you're aware of what's happening. Yeah. So you're not just clueless. And then to be around each other and just like making jokes and like, you know, like being funny. Like you're being funny the whole time.

Right. We like, we go hiking now. When I go hiking, it's just being funny the whole time. It's just jokes. Like last night in the green room. How much were we laughing? A ton. Because it's just being funny. And you're like, night in the green room. How much were we laughing? A ton. Because it's just being funny.

And you're like, that hang is what it's all about. Yes. You just want to go sit there and just, you trash each other. You trash someone. And then you're, and it's, and that's, that's what people lost with that COVID. They were not around that. And there was, you realize like, oh, I got to go be around this dude. Or I'm going to lose everything.

And then people lose it when they leave. You know, New York had it when I, like I was there was there it was so much but then you leave and you start touring you start headlining it's very easily to be like you could go oh i haven't seen anybody in months months yeah yeah this is not it's not good for us and it it promotes this sort of alienation and this these feelings of anxiety that i think got really ramped up during COVID with a lot of people, unfortunately. You need to see someone. You need to be around people that see through you. Yeah.

So if you're being funny with your friends that are not comics, it's like, well, they know you're the comic and they're watching kind of a show. You need to be funny with your friends that are a comic that are like, you're like, dude, well, you're the worst. And they see through you like, all right. Why did you say that? I'm generally not the funny person when I go out with like friends that aren't comics. I just talk, I just have fun. My wife is way funnier than me. Like when we go out, cause my wife like wants to make me laugh and wants to make other, it's like her chance to do standup. Like she's always the one who's like calling shit out and it's fun. Yeah. My wife's funny too. Like it is work like that because you're you try to make jokes but then you're

it's just a weird kind of thing and then with comics i think some of those jokes can be too pointed at too they're too harsh they give you you know why you know why are you wearing that yeah you could say that to people i start laughing yeah but you say that to some people and they get like really fucked up yeah you're really insecure you say that and a person and start laughing. But you say that to some people and they get really fucked up. They get really insecure. Why would you say that? And then the wife will send you an email. I just want you to know that Claude was actually upset that you said that about his shirt.

What the fuck is wrong with Claude? What's he talking about? I can imagine getting an email from a wife. You know that kind of shit happens? I know I think it does, but I would be, if I got an email, like I'm trying to think

for my neighbors, and we're friends with our neighbors, if they emailed me, I'd be like, what are you doing, dude? Right. Would you go knock on their door?

Yeah. Apologize? I don't know about apologize, but a comic, we would have to address it. Right. We would have to go, well, I gotta go solve,

I have to go fix this gotta go saw i have to go fix this right solve it fix it i got you want them to know that you know like you don't want it to be this weird right kind of thing some people you have to leave it weird yeah because they just it never ends some people are just they're just perpetually but you don't think you would ever just eventually be like why did did you, you're at a dinner somewhere and you know, you're like, I don't like your slippers. He's like in seven months and they're like, what? Some people are just fucking super sensitive, man.

They just can't take joking around and they don't joke around in their home. I tend to want to go try to open that person up. And I'm not saying to take jokes but i would tend to side with that person then right like you end up going like all right if this person doesn't like this then i'll be on her team and if someone goes at her i'll or him i'll be on their team right you'll be the person i'll be with the other person yes yes so you want to make them because if you're like i know that they're going to be uncomfortable i feel like as a that's as comics you just kind of you got to go to the underdog and you go like i'll be on outside with you right right just because

every you're going to get teamed up on yeah and so i'll just be on your you know let's do it let's make it let's make it uncomfortable for everybody well it's also so many people have been told that their feelings are valid and it's important to validate someone's feelings but some feelings are stupid some some of your over sensitivity is just ridiculous well people talk like yeah being very open uh you know it's like you gotta talk about this stuff and it's it is some of it's weird where you're like i don't i'll just i'll just eat it up on the inside i don't need to go yeah i don't need to go openly talk about stuff and you're like i'll just move on and then you do you have to go on double dates sometimes uh yeah but i mean i'm friends with every that goes it's not like set up your wife doesn't ever say you need to meet So and so's husband we'll all go on a double date

And then you go and he's just boring as fuck and your wife winds up talking to her friend And you wind up talking to this husband you're like oh no Yeah, and you just stuck talking this dude why they're talking about purses and shit And you're just stuck talking to this dude about nonsense. You like oh no yeah it's i i have had that happen and then but it's like if you can't find one thing to connect with them right like where you're sitting there like you know it's like sports and then you're like all right no sports and then you're like what about the and you're just trying to and you're like dude i'm a comedian i can talk about anything right if i can't find if you don't if you're not giving me anything.

Right. Maybe talk about that to them. Go, why, what is your problem? Then go. That's what. How come I can't talk to you? Yeah. How come?

Do you ever hear that from people, dude? Maybe it's you, bro. Maybe it's you. I want to open you up, dude. If you take it to that Yeah That's I'm gonna just spend the night tonight

Go that far But then you can be pleasantly surprised You know Oh when a dude's the best Yeah And you're like Well you're the greatest thing I've ever been Yeah

Oh it's There's nothing better than that It's hard to make friends as an adult Well that's like Dr. Phil's son Dr. Phil's son Is married to one of my wife's friends And I was like I'll meet this fucking dude.

He's probably going to be some crazy Hollywood guy. Normalest guy ever. Yeah. That is it. That's very. Oh, I was fucking. It's very satisfying when it's like that because it's, you know, I've learned, you know, like you end up, you starting to meet, like you meet famous people or you, and like you, so

you start thinking about it. You're like, dude, this is going to be a whole thing. Like I got a, you know you start thinking about you're like dude this is gonna be a whole thing like i gotta you know oh yeah you're great like all you know and you just end up sometimes being like i would rather just not meet them because i just don't want to right i don't i it's just gonna be a lot but then you can meet some and they like pleasantly surprised it's the best it's worth the risk like uh i've met some famous people and it's like weird when you meet them like you're like uncomfortable you feel strange and then you go oh you're just a person you're just a person like me you just are a movie star like matthew mcconaughey is a great example i've had dinner with matthew mcconaughey and his wife and my wife and he's so nice he's so

interesting and he's so genuine like a genuine guy yeah. And he's so genuine, like a genuine guy. And, you know, I'm like, oh, you're fucking just a super movie star, famous guy, but you're fucking a regular guy underneath all that craziness. See, I wish that would get out more. Like some of those, the stars is like, it needs to be, people need to be like, yeah, dude, I'm just, we're just hanging out. He's done podcasts before he's done. Yeah, he seems like that. I'm not saying, you know. Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. is another one.

Fucking great guy, man. You sit and talk to him. Like, he's a good, and Robert Downey Jr. is interesting, too, because that's a guy who went to jail. Like, he went to, he had a serious drug problem. Got arrested, did time, you know, and did a couple of years. And got out of jail, and he's just like on the path now he's fucking iron man he's got his shit together he's super successful like very disciplined does martial arts eats well he's healthy and it's just like you know they exist you know they're

just humans and that's that's the problem with likey positions, like positions of extreme adulation, like we were talking about with Ellen. You can get lost in that when you're not like anybody else. You're this island all alone. You see how it can happen. And you see it, like us going on the road, you're not in a reality. Right.

Like you can tell, you know, sometimes you go to venues and you can like, you see, like I feel like you walk by people that work there and they're not like looking at you and you're like, did someone tell you not to look at, like, this is insane. Like you're, and you're like, I didn't, I've never said anything. I mean, you go talk to everybody cause you're like, yeah, we're all working tonight. You know, I get the idea, but you I get the idea of me being on stage. But you can feel that sometimes you're here. It's like, yeah, they don't.

You can see someone. If you have a conversation with someone, they can just ignore them. Yeah. If someone gets too big, you're like, how do you even feel like that? How are you doing that? How do you just go, that person doesn't exist right and they're like well they just said something you don't look and go like oh yeah you don't try to like like even if you don't you just get out of the conversation like have that awkward moment yeah dan soder told a story on the podcast about

doing that at a comedy club and chris rock ignored him. And he was like, fuck that guy. He just got up like, fuck you. And he got up from the table and walked away. And now you talk to Dan Soder, he's like, fuck Chris Rock. Oh, he does. Dan Soder's my best friend. He's great. He's great. I fucking love that dude.

He's great. But genuine. He's right there. He's that dude. He's that dude. I know his mom, Trish. He's the best dude. But that's that thing where someone who is at a higher echelon of success

will only associate with people that are in that range or that he thinks should associate with him. He's never been like that with me. I don't know what Chris is like with other people. I've been around him. I told Dan. Dan knows about it. I like Chris. He probably had an awkward. I like, I told Dan, Dan knows about it. I like Chris.

He probably had an awkward moment. Well, I understand there's, yeah, I understand you can meet people in different kind of, there was a time I didn't like Louis C.K. Like, I thought he was like mean to me at Caroline's. Yeah. When I opened for him at Caroline's a long time ago, and he was Louis, and he was doing a charity thing for like his kids and i remember i did a joke i just i like i'm opening for him i just did i do 15 to 10 minutes

or whatever and then i bring him up and then i uh said a joke uh and i think he made fun of my joke when i got off and i mean it was like in the moment just being a young comic and being like, dude, they're all here. You're famous. I'm just like, I'm nobody. Who cares about my joke? And then it was like that was annoying to me, and I would be real mad about him. Then I talked to him much later, and it was like, oh, this guy, he was different and nicer. And then it's like now I've talked to him and like it's like well he's better or he's i mean maybe he's gotten worse than others also you my personal relationship you're successful

now yes like you're established that's true because some of that becomes where you're like yeah i don't know like yeah what's he supposed to do uh well there's that awkward moment when you know you first meet someone where you don't know if they're going to be cool it's like you don't yeah and i can take something be cool. You don't, yeah. And I can take something way more personally when I'm a younger comic and I'm so sensitive to everything at that moment. Right.

So I don't even, I couldn't even tell you if I really think back on it, like, you know, it's like, what does it really matter? It could have been like he making a joke and he's, you know, just busting and we're just like, all right, have a fun time.

But I take it as like, are you kidding you kidding me right i've been running my whole life to do this it's also it's like he's so important oh so if he makes fun of you you know if you go on stage and jamie foxx is on after you and he makes fun of you like no yeah no and jamie's like i'm just a comic dude i'm just like just like, yeah, I followed you. You were, you murdered. And like, so I just made a joke about it. And then I moved on. Yeah. And you just take it. Because you're not friends with them.

So you don't, you can't trust it. Right. With, yeah, with, I've opened for Chris and I went on the road with Chris. So it's, I know sodas and I, I, and I, but I understand where sodas come from. And that's like one of those, you're like, yeah, dude, I would probably I would probably feel the I mean I felt the same way with Louis I would feel the same way as Soder feels right and then I've been around Chris where you're like I don't I don't feel that and I feel like he's he's a comic that wants to hang out and like I think he's a dude that dude's been famous for so long too that like is it's if you're in a circle yeah I mean I think he's like

one of the best if not the best ever like well 100% one of the best, if not the best ever. Well, 100% one of the best ever. If you go back and watch Bigger and Blacker, you know, you go back and watch Bring the Pain. Those are fucking classic specials. They're as good as anybody's ever done. Those are two absolute rock solid, classic, all-time great stand-up comedy specials. Yeah, it's crazy. Undeniably. But I liked it because that was like

when you were saying something and it was in the form of jokes. So you're saying these big points and it's done in the form, it's rapid, boom, boom, boom. Like that's what, that's why to me, it's like he is just another planet.

I mean, he's pacing his state. You can see him, even like he was on Letterman. Like the Letterman stuff with the women, and he went on Letterman and was like, what are you doing with these girls? And starts yelling. When Letterman got in trouble cheating on his wife or all that stuff, did he get in trouble, right? Yeah, yeah

like a long time ago and Chris went on and Chris was a guest and just talked about it. I think it Saved Letterman because it was just being talked about in the open right right and he went in and I was like they would With Chris you can see like he gets like a zone in his eyes where you can just tell like he's not even really looking at anybody it's just like comedy yeah it's comedy he's in the groove he's in the groove of just you know if an elephant walked in front of him he would be like i never saw it like it's just his eyes are just like you know he's just pacing he's really funny again right now that's what i've heard i saw him at the store uh before the whole whole Will Smith thing and he was working out his material He was fucking good, man

He was really good like classic Chris Rock shit Cuz you know went through a hard divorce lost a shitload of money and it's a lot of pain and so and then came out of it and Then on the other side of it. It's like he's really good right now Yeah, i heard someone uh someone told me about his hour now they heard it's great yeah well i heard first heard from my friend eddie bravo he saw him at the store and he texted me he goes brother this guy is on fire right now he goes he's so good right now i go really he goes you got to see him and i was there uh like a week later and i got a

chance to watch the set it's nice to see it's because you know there's always that drop off point with a lot of like great comics like they'll have a couple really good specials and then they'll have one that's not that good and they'll have another one that's not that good and you're like is he falling off? I feel like you need to be

an underdog like you want you almost like you want to have people doubt you. Right. And that's the whole beginning of comedy is you go on stage and this crowd doubts you. So the very, your first time on stage is talking to 20 people that don't think you can do this. Right. So every time you go on stage is just proving something.

Right. And then maybe you get too big to a point to where now they're there. And if you're not aware of it, like they said, like the, I think you said like the self audit or if you're constantly just reminding yourself that you're not like,

almost like you tell me you're on stage, you're like, dude, I'm nobody. I'm an idiot. I don't think I know how to do comedy. To be honest, like you think that all, you know, like once you tape an hour, you're like, I don't know how I could ever do it ever again i should quit honestly and get a regular job and probably it's going to happen like you just this panic yeah of just all this stuff and so

if you don't have that then you can kind of get lost and then you're like and that's when i think specials can get bad you're just cramming them out and you're like oh you may do one i'll do it tomorrow i'll go and you just are pounding them out and then you need that back to like and almost like with uh not saying chris was at that point but like the resurgence of now he's a true he had that happen at the oscars so now everybody's going to be like expecting lot from him. If he comes and does something whatever, it's like, I mean, there's no payback. There's no nothing. It's like, oh, dude, who cares?

But if he comes back with this next special, and it's what I'm hearing it's supposed to be, it's going to be... It's right back where he was at his best. When I saw him, he was killing. I mean, killing. And, you know, it was a drop-in set. It wasn't announced.

You got to find that motivation. Yes. The motivation that makes you, you know, Sinbad said that. I remember reading a book. He's talking about it. He's like, because it's hard to go. He was riding Greyhound buses to shows. And so Sinbad's, like, laughing with the bus driver.

I mean, he's just's just like the most funny career and then you're in limos or something and then everything kind of changes and you lose that that hang where you lose that perspective of like that kind of outside yeah world and you think like well I walked to my show and my coffee wasn't where I thought it was going to be and then and you're like well that's someone's job you're like, you go, well, all I do is ask for that to be right there. I don't think that's crazy. Am I being crazy saying that I would like my coffee right on that stool when I walk past it?

And you don't go, what? You're like, no, go get it, dude. It's across the street. There's a Starbucks. Walk over there and go grab whatever you want to grab. And you're like, but I don't. But people recognize me and stuff. You're like, no one's going to recognize you. Just go over there and go do your dumb thing. And like bring yourself back to like some kind of reality to go like, all right. You get insulated. You get insulated.

Yeah. And when you're Chris Rock, how do you not get insulated? Everywhere you go, everybody says, oh, that's Chris Rock. Well, I mean, you're going to have that. You have that now. Like with everywhere you go, it's obvious that you're going to, you know. Yeah, but for whatever reason, I'm comfortable with it. Yeah. In some weird way. Well, I think you're very open. So it's also the Chris Rock.

Before social media, I mean, now you're on a podcast, so everybody knows everything. And you're talking about everything. And people know your persona, and they know the way you say stuff and all this stuff. But a lot of those celebrities, those guys, you didn't know who they were. Like Tom Cruise, that's why I liked celebrities being the old way. The only time you saw Tom Cruise was a movie. Right.

And I mean, you still don't. I don't know if he's on social. I don't think he's on social media. But then you're like some of these, like, you know, you see people and you're like, yeah, I shouldn't be like watching this guy go to the grocery store. Like he's, you know, Tom Hanks or like there's just talking to you on Instagram. You're like, yeah, go be Tom Hanks, dude. I don't want to know what you're doing.

I want you to be this kind of like, I see you at this movie and then I don't see you for three years and sometimes they step out of that and it ruins it remember when Tom Cruise went on was it Good Morning America Oprah no no no no it was Good Morning America

with Matt Lauer Today Show with Matt Lauer and he was talking about Brooke Shields and psychiatric medication. And he was saying that it's not a chemical imbalance. These drugs are dangerous. These psychiatric drugs. And it almost ruined his fucking career because everybody's like, listen to this loon.

What the fuck is he saying? And you're like, I just want to watch you in Top Gun. Yeah, just go back to doing Mission Impossible, brother. That's why I like entertainers. It's going back to be entertainment. Go be the entertainment. It's like don't. And there's a mix, right?

I'm not saying everything has to be entertainment. But everything can't be a message All right I can't be you have to have that balance and you got to make movies that are gonna be an escape and go be fun Yeah, and you know I think it's like I mean we're talking about us It's like somebody's like guys are these celebrities or these people movies you're like they're in every movie There's like 12 of them right and you're like, they're in every movie. There's like 12 of them. Right. And you're like,

I mean, is there no one else? Like, is there no one else to make a movie? But if you want to make a movie and you want it to be really successful,

you've got to get one of those guys. But there's got to be, but those guys weren't those guys back when they were at the beginning. but if you're bankrolling

a movie, the problem is if you're Miramax and you're bankrolling a movie, you need Brad Pitt. I know, but go find, like, but they had to go find original talent a long time ago. You can't go do that.

But if you go see Tom Cruise, it's going to be a blockbuster. People will automatically go see a Tom Cruise movie. He's a proven bona fide guy. Like, if he's in a film, you're going to go see it. Yeah, I saw I saw it But if he's doing that do you not like that's what funds the how to build the next generation of stars Yeah, but the next generation of stars like his co-star like he always has like unknown co-stars They want to be big successful movie stars that are they becoming big stars the co-stars sure that was that girl's name Anna de Armas She's she's getting huge now, and she was like co-stars and things she was always like this co-star and now she's Marilyn Monroe

and she's other shit maybe I don't know I'm talking about I don't think you know what you're talking about I don't know I know I have some good ideas you have this idea you were pushing it last night that they should just retire didn't work last night I thought let me try to in front of millions of police was a hundred and fifty thousand years old he's still doing movies yeah but I just they're doing a lot. I know, but they keep going,

it's like every, they're in everything, dude. You're like, it's the same dudes. I'm not talking about Tom Cruise. I mean, Tom Hanks is in everything.

He's in everything. And you're like, don't, like Daniel Day-Lewis. I don't know what that guy, if he's alive anymore. Like that guy just goes off the planet. Yeah, he stops doing films and he works as a cobbler. Yeah, that guy, if he's alive anymore. Like that guy just goes off the planet.

Yeah, he stops doing films and he works as a cobbler. Yeah, that's- He makes shoes. Isn't there something great about that? Yes, there's something great about that. But what if you love acting and you want to go back and do it? I mean, the thing is like we're looking at- Are they making Star?

Like that's what I, it's like I don't think the people are getting out of the way is what I'm saying. I don't think people get out of the way. I don't think the people are getting out of the way is what I'm saying. I don't think people get out of the way. I don't think they have their job. You're talking about someone being the next Jimmy Fallon or whatever they want to go be. Not saying they have to get out of the way now, but do people get out of the way? But why would they get out of the way? But why are you looking at it that way?

Why aren't they just doing what they do? And other people do what they do. There's a lot of movies being made. I don't think it's like a get out of the way thing. I don't feel like they're mainstream, though. I think mainstream stuff is not getting... Yeah, but the mainstream stuff has to be funded. It's a business. And this is like...

John Leguizamo made a post on Instagram the other day where he was talking about James Franco because James Franco's playing Fidel Castro and he's saying he shouldn't be playing someone who's Latin American he's not Latin American and then you know there was people that were upset and said actually he's half Portuguese that's technically Latin he's like no we're talking about people from Latin America like from that part of the country like you know and then he was saying that people who are of

Latino or Hispanic descent they make up like a certain percentage of the population But they don't have a certain percentage of the roles and he was saying we should get more chances We should have more representation. We should have more like because white actors do a film and it bombs they get more chances and latinos should get more chances and i see what he's saying i understand what he's saying he's right about the representation he's right about the percentage of people and that the the films don't necessarily match up and whenever you have like like was that Canto, that animated, it was, is that what it's called? And it was a Latino animated film. It was fantastic.

It was great. And people loved it for both reasons. They loved it because it was great, and they also loved it because it represented a significant portion of the population. But if you're a person making movies, you're not thinking that. You're thinking, this is my money, and I'm trying to make money. Okay? We're in the business of making money in films.

And if I'm making a big-ass fucking giant movie, I need stars. And I need someone who sells. And if it's John Leguizamo that sells all the time, or if it's fucking Brad Pitt that sells all the time, whoever the fuck that guy is that sells all the time, that's what they push. They're doing it to try to make money. Yeah. And because those people are really good. It's not like there's anyone-

Yeah, they're awesome. But it's not like there's anybody who keeps getting chances and they suck Yeah, you know it's just it's just not real like they they fall away like many many bit famous movie stars are falling away It's these ones that people still love they'll go to see like Keanu Reeves He could do Matrix 7 and fucking John wick 10 and people would still go to see it right because they love that guy Tom Cruise could do a hundred Mission impossibles people are gonna go see it. They love that. I'll go see the next it's in the rock can do the same thing The rock can do anything right you can do anything

It's it's about getting to that point and it is I know it's not a fair business It's a weird fucking crazy business and some people get chances and some people don't that's part of the madness of it All that makes people so fucking nuts when they live there is because they know that any audition could change their life. And they go in there and these people get to decide. And here you're dealing with someone who's probably insecure in the first place.

They're seeking out an exorbitant amount of attention. And they're doing it probably because they have some sort of a psychological deficit. Most of us come from some broken homes or some traumatic childhood. most of us come from like some broken homes or some traumatic childhood most of us do and then you're you're you're trying to prove your worth to a bunch of people that are sitting there in this artificial environment where you're like reading off of a piece of paper it's fucking nuts and you leave you're like oh i hate myself like it's so anxiety and you don't it's like not proactive like you can do your best in the audition and

hope it works out but you don't know what the fuck they're looking for and you're like your hopes and dreams are based on other people's opinions of you and that causes people to start behaving in a way where they hope people will like them they'll say things that they think these people want to hear instead of formulating your own opinions you become like a half person like half of you is a real person and half of you is like this performative shell of what you're supposed to say what political ideas are supposed to hold on to and to espouse and You get this weird fucking Dynamic and some people achieve escape velocity these Robert Downey jr. Guys these Matthew McConaughey guys who can kind of just be separated from it and trying to live a normal life and then go in there and make these crazy fucking blockbuster movies and

then get the fuck out and there's only a few people that can do that yeah that's that's this the nature of the chaos of that business but that doesn't you know that doesn't mean that James Franco shouldn't be able to play Fidel Castro. It's like... Yeah, I don't think that does either. I mean, it's fucking... Yeah. You can't, I mean, come on, we can't do that.

That's, I see what he's saying. And maybe if there was like someone else that was like commensurate with James Franco, and maybe there is, maybe there's something, someone else that was up for it. But then it was actually Cuban. Doesn't he kind of look like him or something or kind of looks like him yeah kind of looks like him but if there's someone that was actually you know Cuban maybe that would be a better representation in terms of like how people felt like if you found out that someone was playing like a very like I'm Italian if we found out what someone's playing like a very famous Italian you know whether it was Michelangelo or

something like that and then they got some dude from Holland to do it I guarantee you people in my family be like what the fuck is that yeah that guy's not Italian yeah you know that's just so I get where leg was almost coming from but I just wish it wasn't like that. You know, it just seems like... I mean, there's egregious levels of it, right? Like, the most egregious is, like, when John Wayne played Genghis Khan. That's just ridiculous.

That's not cool. But it was like, he was John Wayne. So he could play a fucking fucking not just a warlord But one of the greatest warlords ever who came from a very specific part of the world he came from Mongolia He looked like a Mongolian and literally his DNA He had sex with so many women his DNA is like in some preposterous percentage of the Asian population like something wild. Like Genghis Khan's DNA and his children's DNA

is in a significant percentage of the population. Like what is Genghis Khan's DNA? Genghis Khan, there's a fantastic piece. I'm sorry I have to recommend this again, but it's that good. A fantastic piece that Dan Carlin's Hardcore History did. It's called Wrath of the Khan. It's five hours on Genghis Khan, at least five hours. Listen to this. Since 2003, a study found evidence that Genghis Khan's DNA is present in about 16 million men alive today. The Mongolian ruler's genetic prowess has stood as an unparalleled accomplishment,

but he isn't the only man whose reproductive activity still show a significant genetic impact centuries later. So there's other men that have two, but 10 other men who left genetic rever- let's see who the 10 dudes who spread their seed the best. It's like Will Chamberlain. Like, it's random. Who are the people? Genghis Khan. What do we got? It's not a list? Oh, this is just another Genghis Khan article?

Oh, it just says 10 other men. So anyway, Genghis Khan. To have a white guy, John Wayne. Hey, I'm Genghis Khan. It is so ridiculous. Have you ever watched it? No. You need to watch a clip right now.

We need to show you a clip right now. Because this is the best argument against cultural appropriation. When you look at James Franco, you look at Fidel Castro, Portuguese versus Cuban, it's not that crazy. It's not that crazy. Yeah, he's a great actor and you're like, that's good enough. But if you look at John Wayne as Genghis Khan, you're like, fuck no. If I was Mongolian, I'd be furious. I'd be furious.

That's people trying to get their money back. We have a few Mongolian fighters in the UFC and they're particularly furious. They're fucking awesome fighters that's a hard part of the world so for John Wayne John Wayne you gotta see how corny this shit is Susan Hayward like look at her she was hot

that was back when women were just hot no exercise no good diet cigarettes alcohol hot as fuck nobody took care of themselves. They were just hot. They were hot for about 10 years. Look at this.

It's so sexist. Listen to him. Look at this. Oh. This is the trailer. Yeah, yeah, play it. Play it. He's going to talk.

Let him go. This is so corny. Oh. This is so bad. Yeah. She gets slapped again. How about the music? I am tempted, woman. I am tempted, woman. I mean, this is fucking amazing.

This is the trailer? Yeah. Scene after scene of unimaginable splendor. Barbaric passions. How corny is this? Savage conquest. This is... But the thing is, man,

why would we have such a realistic depiction of these things today when they weren't willing to do it in the 1960s? Like, why? Why did they have, like, a bullshit version of history that they were putting in a film when we today would never accept that version? Like, if they tried to tell that as Genghis Khan's story today,

people would go, what the fuck are you talking about? That's not how it went. You can't have them behave like they're in a play. Because you have internet. Is that what it is? Yeah. How many people knew in 1956 what he looked like or anything really? Right, but there had to be some historians that were consulted.

I don't think of the Hollywood back then. You only had the encyclopedia really for the longest time okay how do they know so much now then like how how do they must have known someone typed all of it in on the internet it's not as if right but i mean there has to be history you know like have you ever there's is there a thing you do like do you play guitar or anything like that where you watch someone faking it on TV? Oh. It drives people nuts, right? You're a musician. You can play some music. Sure.

Okay, like playing golf. You play golf. You play golf a lot. Jamie has a really good golf swing, and it's very impressive. If you watch someone who did not have a really good golf swing and everyone was pretending he has a really good golf swing, you'd be like, ooh. It'd be very obvious. yeah sure but i still there's got to be a time period maybe in the i don't know

70s 80s when they found a whole trevor treasure trove of information like guess what we have to rewrite the history books on i wonder when they they did learn all that stuff though because it's just his well i was saying historians watching that my I was saying historians watching that, my analogy was that historians watching that would be furious. They're like, this is ridiculous. Like the people that actually know. But you could make a film where it was accurate because the real story was so fucking crazy that you can make a depiction that would be terrifying.

The absolute 100% proven real story was that guy killed 10% of the population. 10%. They do a carbon, where they do like soil samples? Yeah. They find out that during that time, the carbon level, like people burning fires, decreased at a significant measurable percentage because there was less humans. That's wild.

They said he killed, they think they killed somewhere between 50 and 70 million people during his lifetime. Yeah, I mean, if you knew that and then make that movie, it's a little different. Dude, dude, they were lighting corpses on fire and launching them with catapults onto people's houses to burn them down. When they would siege a city, they would stay outside of the city for as long as it took. For as long as it took, they would camp outside the city. Thousands and thousands of Mongolians just ready to kill. And they were gonna get in eventually.

And everyone knew they were gonna get in eventually. It's like, how much food do you have? How long can you wait? And they would keep bringing supply chains so they would always have food and they would just launch bodies then they would capture people who fleet and they would take those people and put them on the front of the line and march them forward like a human shield and that's how they would get into some of the castles that's how they would get into some of the castles That's how they get into some of the cities Maybe they didn't I feel like back then some of the movie. I know that though They had it like but they're like selling a story back then

I know like that like back then is like about like it's about the art versus now Would be because there's documentaries and there's all these other things. Now it's got to be like, well, that's not really what happened. Is that what it is or did they just not know how to do it the way that we appreciate it now? They didn't have this stuff. But even like the way they tell a story, if you had those same cameras, if you had actors and screenwriters of today, they would make something better than that. Yeah.

I mean, it was you know it's someone a new art you know yeah it's new art so it's what I'm saying we're I'm not like judging it in a negative way like saying that it sucks because you know look at the time it was probably awesome oh it was crazy but it said this the world has changed so much that if you wanted to have a Genghis Khan movie first of all you'd have to have a Mongolian guy play Genghis Khan. You'd find some unknown actor. I'm sure they're out there.

There's James Franco again. He does good with this. They go, I'll be honest with you, we're going to go with James Franco. He just does.

Weren't war movies probably, this is something I don't know. I'm trying to make a guess. Like Apocalypse Now around then, that probably changed

a lot of the filmmaking then. We have to be more historically accurate now i think that's way earlier than apocalypse now no it is it's like 50 isn't that like 77 ish well apocalypse now was like a six or seven year film shoot so it's like 20 years yeah your gap in between those two movies we're talking about lawrence fishburne was like 16 when he was in Apocalypse Now. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that wild? That's crazy. They did that film for, yeah, they did it for, I think it was something really crazy.

It was at least five years to film that. Went way over budget. Marlon Brando gained weight, and he didn't want to lose weight, so they filmed him in the dark. So it's just like, he had like a dark robot, and you just see his face. And Part of the lines they kept in the film, I'm pretty sure he improvised. I guess he was more like, I don't know if I know much about Marlon Brando, but that was a guy, I mean, that guy is so funny. Oh, my God.

Especially then when there's, your competition is only, it's whatever is on the screen yeah that's why could there be star you think stars could like that super stardom is could kind of go away with the fact there's just the competition is too much you can have people that are like i'm just not even into movies and then they watch and then you can go watch videos all day like youtube and then you're like i don't even and you have no concept of this guy's the biggest star you know when you think about like celebrities now i can't even tell if it's like older not celebrity but like actors and all this stuff and where you're like i that person they say you know like that's the most famous

person ever and you're like i've never even heard of them there's so many people now though in terms of like famous people there's way more famous people because yeah yeah that's famous that's so that superstardom is like can it you know to sustain it people will forget real quick real quick yeah i mean do you remember brendan frazier yeah that guy was a huge movie star you don't see him in anymore i mean I think he's doing a comeback in some movie where he gets, like, really overweight. Some movie about some morbidly obese guy. And I think he actually gained a lot of weight to play the role.

And he's in something else, too. But the point is, like, that guy was a giant fucking movie star. He was. Giant. Yes. Giant. I mean, he was huge. He was in a lot of shit.

He was in The Mummy. Remember that? The Mummy, yeah. He had a really hard run. Oh, wow. Is that real or is that like, is that really what he looks like? The film is called The Whale, so I believe that's what it... Oh, you mean like

CGI? Yeah, is that CGI? I don't think he got that big. Or a fat suit or something. I think he got a little big. Well, this is a different movie. This is a TV show. This is Doom Patrol. Oh, season three? And that's The Whale. Oh, so that a different movie. And that's just the whales. Oh, so that is what he looks like now. Yeah.

Wow. Maybe he'll come back as like the best fat actor ever. That kind of looks a little extra. Well, he's at least a good, I mean, he's a legit actor. Yeah, he's a legit actor. The point is like that guy, like The Mummy was great. That was a fun fucking movie. He was great in a lot of movies.

Encino Man. Yeah, he was great in a lot of movies mmm fun movies is it can go away it can go away yeah now it's like it's it's Marlon Brando wanted it to go away he bought a fucking island he had a bunch of Native Americans accept his Academy Award for him remember that Jefferson I know you ever see that? I don't know. You should show that. He had this Native American woman accept his Academy Award. He was just like out of the business. Like just wanted to be done. Like he was like, well, he was a wild, wild fellow.

Put that on. Yeah, that's it, man. Here it is. So it's Roger Moore. And I don't know who the woman is. Marlon Brando and the Godfather. So this is for the fucking Godfather, okay? And so instead of him...

The award for Marlon Brando and the Godfather, Miss Shashene Littlefeather. Shashene Littlefeather, have I said it right? She's going to accept this award. Thank you. She doesn't want the award. Hello, my name is Sashene Littlefeather. I'm Apache and I'm

president of the National Native American Affirmative Image Committee. I'm representing Marlon Brando this evening and he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech, which I cannot share with you presently because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards, that he very regretfully

cannot accept this very generous award. And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry, excuse me, and on television in movie reruns, and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee. and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee. I beg at this time that I have not intruded upon this evening and that we will, in the future, our hearts and our understandings will meet with love and generosity. Thank you on behalf of Marlon Brando. That's heavy.

How did she get it? She had a 40-minute standing ovation. They booed her, too, though. Did you hear that? Yeah, but think about it now. Oh, my God. It would be... Yeah.

That is crazy, because they booed her, which felt like the more mood of the crowd and the people taking the chances were the people clapping. That was agents, guaranteed. Yeah. That was some William Morris agents. Boo! Fuck you!

I'm doing coke. Here we go. Some guy doing coke who just wanted the fucking award show to be over. And a godfather. I mean, to be that big of an award. I know. The biggest. One of the biggest movies ever.

It's one of the most classic films of all time 1973 Yeah, so you know this this leg was Amal thing. I just want to say that I think John Leguizamo is awesome I love him and everything. He's great and everything. There's not a knock on him. It's just I just wish that wasn't an issue But I get it. I do get it I do get how you I mean after what looking like especially the the marlon brando i mean john john the john wayne gingus khan thing it's like fucking so preposterous it's just one of those things it's just like that business is fucking nuts the business spending hundreds of millions of dollars do you know they just scrapped, they made a Batgirl movie and just scrapped it?

Just threw it away, right? They decided they're not going to release it? Like what? Why would they not just release it? Like that's what I, like how do you get to the point where you go, I'd rather lose the money? The argument was that it was made for streaming

when everything started headed towards just streaming. And now that they're back towards theatrical releases, it's not, maybe they think it won't make the money, so they're not going to put it out. What does that mean? It won't make the money, so they're not going to put it out? I don't know. I don't get their logic.

Yeah, is that that coffee? Yeah, some coffee, son, sorry. Yeah, I mean, why would they do that? Why wouldn't they just let- Like, try to get it back. I don't know why. Unless it really sucks. But yeah, then go sell it to streamers.

I mean, I hope it doesn't really suck, but... Hollywood's got a whole business of just, you've got all this stuff that's not ever seen the light of day, that if you put it out as, like, kind of, like, no pressure, these pilots, these movies, I don't know, and, like, people would go crazy about this. Well, they must have thought that they could redo it. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Like, they have one shot at making, like, this, like, awesome Batgirl movie. They want to really nail it, so let's try it again. I mean, maybe that's it. Because you've got to realize, those are billion-dollar franchises. If you get a Batman franchise or an Avengers franchise, those are fucking guaranteed blockbusters.

I'm there. I'm there for Avengers. If Avengers come out, I watch all those. I fucking love them. Warner Brothers cuts its losses by axing $90 million Batgirl movie. They spent $90 million and they're just gonna toss it HBO Max went to but what if they had like

some fucking wizard some like the cleaner from Pulp Fiction come in and explain things to them where do you think entertainment will be with you got Amazon you got Disney Plus I mean is it gonna just be like, you got Amazon, you got Disney Plus.

I mean, is it going to just be like you have those and then you're just picking a la carte? Like you just, you know, like if you want a series, you're following, I guess, a person. I think the future is like a sub stack type situation where you subscribe to individual things that you want. I think it's going to be more like that and it'll have to be more reasonable. I mean, I think that makes a lot of sense. But I think if I was a big corporation, I would do exactly what they're doing. I mean, for their bottom line, just buy up everything, you know, like didn't Disney just buy HBO? Yeah. Right. So like they own everything. They own ESPN. Yeah. They own a lot of shit shit And you know, there's a lot of companies that do that and it makes sense to me I mean if I was a company but as

You know someone who put stuff out if I was a guy who made movies I'd be a little concerned. I'd be like wow There's like less people to bargain with like how many people are making move what if it becomes what it becomes just like two giant movie studios yeah you know that's it it's the only way place you can get your movie made so but that's where so there was a there's a show called the chosen you heard of that no and it's about the life of it's about Jesus that life Christ and the guys that I met the guys that like did this they were they're they're i this studio i believe was behind they do you know dry bar comedy like that was clean it was like on

faith the ones that is all clean they've been on facebook but this chosen's that they made is got it's like through the roof how many people have watched this show what is it about christ and it was uh jesus i think it's through the perspective of the the people you know most things are through jesus's perspective and this is through the uh like people that are around theirs perspective i don't know a ton i've only seen i've only seen like a little i haven't got to watch the whole thing but it's got it the views of it it was i think you can buy on Amazon now. But they just made their own app. And so they just went and they made an app called The Chosen. And you went to that app and you watched that show.

And I believe it got, I mean, millions upon millions of views. And it's a series and it was a very, they did all the ad behind it. They did all the, very word of mouth. But I think the ads and all that ad behind it they did all the very word of mouth very but i think the ads and all that stuff behind it and they just started this they're just they're just like that's their thing they're the chosen and then it was an app and you go watch that show there that's wild then do you think that speaks to an opportunity for anyone to do that with any kind of film or do you think that speaks to like a lack of representation of like christ Christian films?

I mean, that helps, but I think anyone can do it. Anyone can do it. And you gotta think, that is, being a film about Christ,

it's a very, you know, I mean, a lot of people are Christians here. Like, a crazy amount of Christians. So people do want

to go see that and that's not, and that could not be being shown. But it also just shows you, you know, it's all about specials and all this stuff where you could be like,

you could go like, I don't know, if I go find an audience and this audience wants to do it, like why don't you have, I could have a Nate Bargetzi app and I put my specials on there. And I have there,

you have a Joe Rogan app and you do the specials and then you do, maybe you were like, I want to write a TV show and shoot it with my friends yeah and then that goes on there and you become your own studio right and that's what the i mean the the thing that keeps that from happening is it's very expensive to go shoot this stuff and to go do all this stuff but cameras and everything is i mean someone could probably shoot something with a phone. No, they 100% could.

They've done films with phones, with iPhones. They're so good now, man. And, you know, the other thing is the ability to stream from your phone onto a television is wild. Easy. You could watch anything and you could just press, you know, whatever you use. You use the Google version, the Apple version, and bam, you're watching it on your television like it's perfect. And it's even a better remote because you get to be like you're like you pause on your phone yeah yeah you can rewind it exactly to where you want it with your finger yeah it's i mean the big business

is going to have to compete with individuals because it's like if everybody starts figuring their own kind of thing out then it's like but if you want to have a bunch of actors and you want to have a script and you want to have explosions and you want to have a bunch of actors and you want to have a script and you want to have explosions and you want to have superheroes, like you need a lot of money. Like if you want to make an Avengers movie, you need a lot of fucking money. That,

and that you, I, that would be, you can't compete with that. Or maybe you can't, you'd have to have, you'd have to have money behind it. But like,

I don't go watch Avengers. Like I'm not the biggest superhero. So if you're, you're going to miss out on, I mean, there's not that many of, you know, it's like Avengers, like these giant, like Jurassic Park or like these kind of giant things. But then outside of that,

the movie industry is like, it's not made, you know, you could go, you can't go make, I don't know, like Pelican Brief. I'm just trying to name a movie that's like our, you know, the net,'s sandra bullock i'm just naming something right you can't go make that movie if you go and then talk about brendan frazier he goes off the planet no one sees him

for a while well then you're like go get brendan frazier you get a guy that's a bona fide star right that they just kind of don't use and then you're like you want to do this like you know you get writers that are can't get into hollywood or you don't use. And then you're like, you want to do this like, you know, you get writers that can't get into Hollywood or you don't know about it. And then you could make something unreal. That's a real good point because all you'd have to do is catch someone's eye on social media where it's like real good.

It's like, this is fucking compelling. This is funny. Word of mouth gets around. And then make it reasonable for them to get it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people are doing that with their specials. Schultz just did that with his comedy special.

He bought it back from the streamer and released it on his website. Direct to fans. Yeah. It's very, it's... If you're not going to only buy these certain things, these giant things, and it's the big corporations, then that's where it's a problem for, well, the creators are not, there's only so many of those stars.

So if you're only going to be like, well, we can only put them in it because we need to make our money back, and you're not taking zero chances, well, then you're creating underneath you a network that will overtake you, I believe. You're just creating too much talent. You look at Mr. Beast on YouTube.

Right. These are guys that, like, that guy might have been on Disney if it was the 90s. Right. But instead, you let that guy figure out how to become his own person. Right. And now that guy, now you're competing with that guy. Right. Versus competing with a show that you own.

Exactly. That dude's on his own. He's on his own. And he's very his own he's on his own and he's very intelligent about it what he does is he makes these things that are really fun and he figures out like what's most compelling he pays attention to like the metrics and the numbers and what attracts people like that like the the picture that you show you know that like and the title of the video, very important.

All those things are very important. Wow. And he spends all of his money producing the show. He makes a shitload of money. And just gives it back. And pours it all back into the show. He lives a very modest life. Very real.

That's authentic. And that's what I think people are buying now. He also translates it into multiple languages. That's wild. Yeah. He has people that work for him. See, that guy knows how to do a business and knows how to do that stuff. So if that guy can make it and then he's like, I'll start, I'll be a company that starts doing it for other people. It's, I mean, then that guy becomes Netflix.

Well, let me tell you something. That guy could just do that with movies. He could do that with anything. Like he has this mind for organizing and putting things together and figuring out what people like and he's like a genuinely fun intelligent likable guy so he puts that all together he could he could focus that on anything see like he's probably likes movies we all like movies yeah if he said let me get together with a bunch of people that make you know really fucking cool I want to make a movie yeah a bunch of people

who are actors who nobody knows. Well, there's a lot of them, man. Acting, there's a lot of people that are really good. Way more than that. Working in theater somewhere, you know, that are really good. That's hard to compete with. Yeah. Because you can't, it's not,

it's a punch that you don't see where it's coming from. And you're like, what is it? And it's someone that's high up that's like, YouTube? Who watches YouTube? And then you're like, the next 50 years, that person's going to sound like the dumbest person that's ever lived i i don't watch you i watch youtube but i don't watch it like my daughter and the kids they're not even

watching tv right they're only watching youtube that's what most kids are doing they're watching tiktok they're watching youtube they're watching just whatever nonsense pops up on their feed. If you create something, like I always thought about with YouTube, like what if you write a scripted show and you just put it out on your YouTube thing for free and you just shoot it. I'm thinking about trying to start shooting some stuff and just being like, all right, I'll try to write sketches.

Not really sketches, but it's like a 10 minute version of like Curb Your Enthusiasm. And I'm going to just try to go shoot that on my own and put it out on my YouTube and then just see what happens. Well, that's an actual like crafted thing. And I know writers, I know all the comics, all of us that like have been doing this for a long time, people that are acting and like, you can find people to be in it and you're like, all right, I'll just pay for this. And it goes on YouTube and just see what it goes from there.

It's like, I don't know. Why can't you not, you know, do that? If you keep it, the cost down, I think you certainly could.

If you were motivated, if you're motivated and you know, you had a good group of people that you collaborate with, you could do that. I bet there's some really fucking intelligent, creative people out there that can make all kinds of wild films and if you know if you don't have special effects and all you need is you know a music soundtrack like you can kind of do that with like can you do that with garage band couldn't you like make a music soundtrack basically i've

never used it have you i know red band makes all kinds of crazy music with garage you can definitely do it yeah so you you could have piano playing. You could have all the kind of musical accoutrements that people love in film, which is really weird, right? We just accept scenes where music starts playing that tells us the mood. Isn't that weird? Yeah. Because if it doesn't have that, it feels odd.

But when it has it, it feels completely natural. It's like we're totally programmed like imagine if you were talking to your wife And you're like hey You know I was thinking about the other day and and then you give her a big hug and music started playing you'd be like What the fuck is going on? Yeah? Why did you what is this music like? Why is there music playing? Well, we're just accepting their bay in here that there's these people in this romantic or these people in this Tense moment and music playing don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't don't like there's a gunfight And there's a soundtrack to the gunfight like what the fuck is this that's why I have trouble being like

How do you not know this is happening? You don't write their music. You don't hear the soundtrack. You don't hear the soundtrack That's what we just accept that there's a soundtrack Well, you have people start doing stuff like that uh or willow creek that you're showing which is like the blair witch like blair witch was like such a crazy when that came out yeah was insane we all thought it all right everybody thought it was real everybody's like this is is it real it's nuts i heard it was real yeah i heard it was real it was it was like, it made it so fun. Well, that was shot on nothing. And so if you go do that now,

like it's almost like these streamers and all these big things, they can't get, they're getting, they get comfortable. Like you're a Disney plus, you're like, well, I'll just buy all the main things up. And you're like, well, you don't see this underlining thing that's building

where no one's going to want to watch a polished thing maybe in 10 years i don't want to see something polished that's weird it's weird for me to see it polished i want something that's got a little uh originality in the way it was shot or it feels like a little you know it's got a little bit texture to it because everything is too polished right right and so then you got this other world that's building up that you have no idea that exists and now it's a big problem and then you start going well i'll just go there and then you like with youtube people with comics putting specials if you don't keep it going and moving forward and building then it's going to be like well then you force people to go do other things and then the other things become the thing yeah and then you're like to be like well then you force people to go do other things and then the

other things become the thing yeah and then you're like well now what i did you look at netflix like you know comic central was that was it comic central was it but don't you think there's always going to be that place for the big movie that's the argument for the star the place is there but i mean those stars so but the competition what are you going to do? Try to go, if it's Chris Pratt's turn to be the star, well, he's young. So you're going to try to take his job. No one's going to take a chance on someone else. So there, and I'm not, I like Chris Pratt. And so like, but it's like Chris Pratt's just there.

So he's like, you're not going to get those jobs. So then those people go, well, I guess I go find a different way to get a job. Well, that, that means you have all these great actors that are going to go do these things that are your competitor. That could essentially be your competitor. I guess you could look at it that way. Or you could look at more people making cool stuff. Well, I'm talking about their business. Even if you're a business, you can only make so many fucking movies.

And when the movie business is booming, it's booming for everybody. When people get confidence in movies and a bunch of really good movies come out in a row, people want to go to the movies. You have a good experience at the movies. Oh, I went to see that. Oh, this is fucking awesome. Let's go see it. That's good for movies.

It's good for everybody. They don't think about it that way. They think about it in terms of like i get it opening weekend you know we're going to be competing against batman and you know fuck we should like it should be scheduled two weeks later or three weeks later but everything feels like a big event every it feels like there's too many big events here's a big why like ufc uh but ufc feels like it has its events and it's it's they they just time it out very perfectly, where it's always around the corner.

You're like, I can't wait to see that event. Well, we have an event almost every week. Yeah, but it's not the, you know, it's like there's the events, and then there's the other fights. But it's really good at hyping these events. I see what you're saying, the big ones, the big title fights. And now I feel sometimes in movies it's like they – I might be contradicting my whole point as I'm realizing I'm saying this.

It's okay. Because I was saying maybe they do too many of those movies. It's like too many Jurassic Park. Like Spider-Man, you're like – when Spider-Man came out, you're like, all right, dude, I can't watch – there's been 15 of them. There's seven different dudes. There's seven different dudes. There's seven different dudes, and we're not pretending that you're not just right.

Like, is there not, create a new character. Well, they kind of did with the Spider-Verse. They did a nice flip on it with the animated one. That's my favorite. Did you see that one? I didn't see it, but I heard about it. That's really good. I heard it was awesome.

It's really good. I hear all of them are awesome. They're all great. They're going to be great. Yeah, but that's the point. Well, you have a good point there in that each one of those Spider-Men, other than, who's the first one? Tobey Maguire.

Tobey Maguire. He was the first one, right? He was already famous. Tobey, Andrew Garfield. But were the other guys afterward? Tom Holland was already famous. He was already famous. Andrew Garfield was the other one.

Was he famous already? Sort of. Not really, though, right? Not like Spider-Man or two movies, maybe? Right. These all probably blew them up in the start. But you have to be young to be Peter Parker, because he's a high school student. But I understand.

Your point earlier made sense to me. A college student. These guys selling, like the Tom Hanks, they're selling tickets and Brad Pitt and all these. Where you could be like, if you're Tobey Maguire and you're these other guys, you have to prove that you can sustain the career. Right. Which is something to be said, which I'm actually a big fan of being. The longer you're in this business, the more you realize career length is,

it's very impressive. And if you can sustain it that's something in its own right anybody can be not anybody but being a flash in the pan and being hot in the moment but being able to carry it is very hard to do sports in any like everything right comedy when you meet a comic and they were like i've been doing for 25 years 30 years 40 years you're like that's insane yeah how's that. How's that? We're made this career on just our dumb brain. Right. Words.

You're like, we got nothing. So it's always impressive. So I understand that aspect of, yeah, these people that sustain these long careers. Maybe it is. No one's come up behind them and completely taken over. Robert Pattinson's probably one because he's in the new Batman. Like that guy was Twilight. And now that guy seems like he's getting like real acting. Like he's like a will be the next kind of star.

That'll be in a lot of stuff, you know. Yeah, there's always those guys that people like him in films. You see him as like a co-star in a few films and then they take off. It's a fucking horrible road if you don't make it. And I've met a lot of people that never made it. That's why I like comedy. It's more of a meritocracy.

Yep. And yet there's at least some control and it can be at least a little in your hands. I don't think we disagree about this movie thing. I think we're just looking at it in different ways. I agree with you that it opens up the door for all these people to do creative stuff because the barrier for entry with really being able to have a phone and a tripod and you can film some shit, that's real.

And that this is going to open up the door to a lot of really creative people, for sure, and a lot of people that have been overlooked. But I think that's good. I think it's going to have the opportunity for the cream to rise to the top, stuff that's really good just get virally shared. And people can do a lot today with just simple editing software.

You can do a lot today. You can do a lot. I mean, I've seen wild videos that people make online where they splice shit together with music and they just do it from their computer well the way is that seeing your face on like someone else's but you're like that's insane it's insane that's insane that it looks like you can that's just I that does a Tom Cruise have you seen the deep fake it's incredible maybe yeah watch this yeah it's gonna freak you out because it's not Tom Cruise.

It's this guy who sounds kind of like Tom Cruise, so it works because he does a good impression, but then they're doing a deep fake on his face, and it's nuts. It's nuts because they're going to be able to do this with anything, with anybody. There's already a program that they have with you or me, because we've done so many podcasts. They can take all of your words that you've ever said and make you say things in any kind of inflection that they want, in any way they want, loud, angry. This is the guy. I asked you Gorbachev. He said, you know, Mr. Movie Star, are you nervous? I said, no, Mr. Gorbachev i'm not you're on the side he goes well remember

how much a polar bear weighs polar bear he said enough to break the ice it's the last time i've ever seen Macau Gorbachev What's up TikTok So this guy just doesn't look like TikTok It looks a little like him that's why it works so well It works because he's got a similar facial Structure but that is

Wild shit It's kind of broken there you can tell Well so you can see Quick movements or not. But look at this. Hey, listen up, sports and TikTok fans. If you like what you're seeing, just wait till what's coming next. You think you can tell the difference?

No, no, no. I thought the guy looked like Tom Cruise. No, no. Play this more. This is just deep fake. Look at this. It's the real thing. I mean, it's all the real thing.

That's wild, dude. Wild. I don't know if I've seen that. I think I thought that was, I thought, oh, this guy looks like him. No, no, no. I didn't realize what was happening at first. What does that guy actually look like? Do they have a photo of what he actually looks like?

It's pretty, he's, you know. He's a black dude. You're like, oh, my God. He's Mongolian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Behind the scenes of making those actual videos. That's what he looks like there. Oh, well, he does kind of look like him. Well, that does help.

That helps a lot. Does help a lot. But still, that's crazy. That means they're not far off from... Oh, look how he did it. You don't have to look at him. Look how they did it. Look how they just take his face off.

Do that again. Can you show that again? Watch how they do this, because it's fucking wild. Watch how they do this Because it's fucking wild Well yeah Look at this They make a digital version Of Tom Cruise's face

And then they superimpose it Over his face So I'm pretty curious I told you about that thing With the South Park guys and they said they were going to make a whole movie with Donald Trump about this. Yeah, yeah. So what were they going to and what happened?

It's on hold right now. They didn't officially stop but they had a whole movie script written. They were going to have a guy that looked just like Donald Trump. That was the idea of the movie. Wasn't there a guy who played Trump in a Comedy Central show? Wasn't there uh?

Yeah, or was it bush did he play bush a boy? There's a couple bush shows But there was a guy that was running around as a Trump impersonator for a while But was there a there was there a Comedy Central show on Trump or just it was just bush it was bush That's right. They had like a Comedy Central sitcom South Park guys guys made that too, I think, didn't they? Did they? That's My Bush. Did they? I never watched that. Was that good?

If those guys made it, it must be good. I mean, those dudes have built their own like, they're just... Everybody needs to shut the fuck up when those guys are talking. Those guys have made the greatest animated show in the history of the world. It's some of the wildest, funniest shit that's ever been on television.

I've got to do like your father did and separate the whites from the colors. Oh, jeez. Well, at least he believed in something. That's my Bush. That's the smattering of it. Forgotten masterpiece, it says? Someone, yeah, trying to bring it back. The second Bush is naturally a bumbling man.

They're talking about what it was. Oh. It's like a whole new documentary about the show. I never watched that show. I don't think I even heard of it. I knew it was on. I was like, this is wild. They got a fucking sitcom.

Did you ever see those guys early on? I saw the very first VHS tape before it was ever a TV show oh really yeah I was being passed around I was dating this gal that was a and she worked as an she worked with an agency and they got a copy of it and people were making copies of copies and passing around to people was like a thing that was going through Hollywood and it was like really crude and it was all about Brian Boitano and Christmas it It was hilarious, like really funny. And just bizarre, crude animation,

like much more crude even than the South Park you see now. Even more shaky, but hilarious. And then it was a couple years later, I think, it was a show. I was like, wow. They made something I don't recall ever seeing and I don't know if we've talked about it. It was called Sassy Justice. Do you know what I'm talking about no it sounds awesome this is where they debuted this deep fake technology stuff that they were doing with Trump

I've like I've never seen these images before justice what the fuck is that never no idea it's a 14 minute 98% like. It's a 14-minute video. 98% like this. It's a 14-minute video? Like, this is the whole video they made, I guess. Everyone's got a mask on. It's Trump. Is this what they were going to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what they were going to do? Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. Oh, my God, that's funny's funny it's gotta be the most fun to work like just or at least I mean it's hard work what they do

to be able to do that is insanely hard but do you think they got shut down like do you think that's one of those things where someone said hey you can't do that they said they stopped because a lot of this was like a lot of the jokes were timely and because the timing was gonna be, it was like two years later. Whatever.

They might be starting it up again. They might be doing it again right about all the stuff happening now, like the raid. Well, it's just, are you allowed to do that? Like, here's the question. No. Can you have a whole show? Can I have a-

Come get your family and come get dialysis today. Mark Zuckerberg. Oh my God. Jesus Christ. Like, are you allowed to do that? Like, look, when Kyle Dunnigan does it, here's the thing. When Kyle Dunnigan does it, one of the things that's great about it is kind

of like the South Park-y thing. I am giving in to the fact that this is not real life. I'm submitting to this. He's so good at it. He's great at it, but it doesn't look real. This looks real real, kind of.

Well, the one on the right, what's that guy's name again? Michael Caine. But that looks like Trump interviewing him. It looks like they put a wig on Trump. Yes. Trump looks real. Well, they got a guy, obviously,

that physically resembles his size. The perfect impersonation. Yeah, they're clearly not going for the voice, guy, obviously, that physically resembles his size. The perfect impersonation. Yeah, they're clearly not going for the voice, though, so maybe that's why. Yeah. Fucking amazing. The Michael Caine sounded... The Michael Caine's a little in that uncanny valley. That's a little weird.

It looks a little sketch. But the thing about the Kyle Dunnigan stuff is it looks fake So it's funny like the faces are moving all fucked up like, you know, it's not really Nancy Pelosi with skeleton hands Yeah, you know, it's you know, we're rattling her jewels. Yeah, like when you watch that it's hilarious Like it's like when he does Biden, you don't think it's really Biden. Have you seen the Biden? Have you seen the Biden ones they do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the funniest fucking shit on the internet.

But when Dunnigan does it, it's funny because it's not, like, I feel like you could do that. This doesn't look, I mean, you can tell the hair, that's not Trump. You can tell because of the hair, but that doesn't look fake. That doesn't. Like, that doesn't look like a deep fake. Oh, my God, that's incredible. Compared to the one we just watched with Tom Cruise. So they have a really good technology with whatever the hell they put together.

Bro, that's wild. And there's Christopher Walls. That looks normal. He's talking to Trump. I want to watch that. Like if you, yeah, if it was just, if you walked by it, you would be like, I would just think that's what it is.

You have no context. That's just playing somewhere you stop for a second I mean if he does that you'd be like but then you be you would just you could easily just be like yeah I'm not I'm not prepared to be looking out right for this thing no yeah of course it is true with Dunnigan that he it's very that's too close. Yeah. It's better being like the other way.

Yeah, like play a Dunnigan one. Play the Dunnigan most recent Biden one. Dude, when he did Ray Liotta. Ray Liotta. It was amazing. I mean, smoking a cigarette. It was hilarious. He does everybody great. Bill Maher.

Bill Maher is fucking spectacular. Yeah. So funny. And him and Kurt Metzger together. Oh, Metzger's been hiking too. He told me he's addicted. He goes during the hottest part of the day. He hikes up Runyon.

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Right? Not pie tits. You want to see me close both my eyelids? I get real close. I'm quicker than most. Let me be clear. I ain't afraid of no ghosts. I take my talkie joe drugs.

And give super long hugs. I'm also an ice cream guy. Hi. My name is. What? My name is. Hi. My name is. What? My name is. Huh? My name is.

Rope rival. Stop the. I mean, come on. Come on, man. How funny is this? It is true. It's perfect because it's not too. It's obvious it's fake.

That's why it's funny. I'm glad him and Metzger started doing stuff. Yes. Like, you know, Metzger, I've been around since I started. And he was always a guy that was, it was, he was like one of the first guys where you're like, oh, this dude, like, this is nuts, dude. Because he was only probably a couple years older than me in comedy. And so, like, to be that young, you know, like, and new like yeah, and then he's like kind of a jokes like that And you're like you're like this is crazy dude. You're so good. Yeah, he's an amazing joke writer amazing and

Together the two of them they sync up perfectly personality wise and writing wise and style wise It's about the jokes. It's not being funny, and that's what you get like all they care about is being yeah it's amazing but and also they did a comedy central pilot and in the comedy central pilot they used a much better level of cgi where it looked realistic and kyle said he didn't like it yeah he said this is better and i'm like see that's that's what i mean about stuff going yeah it's i could you can go sit and watch those Instagram videos that are better like that versus when a whole TV thing and they start throwing money in it. And then you're like, well, they just wasted whatever money they wasted to do that just to go like, eh, it's better to do it on the budget that we're doing it on this.

Yeah, it's one of those things where you know they're syncing up perfect with the right now with the way it's so easy to do like a shitty deep fake like that like anybody could do that on their phone now and this syncing up perfectly with this whole thing that you were talking about earlier where it's like some people are getting left in the cracks some fucking really talented people. And for whatever reason, somebody hasn't taken a chance on a Comedy Central or this or that. And it's better that way. Because the stuff they say is too

wild. That's part of what's funny about it. It's so wild. You're buying into their creating personalities. Have you seen his Caitlyn Jenner ones? They are fucking wild. When he does all the Kardashians and they only talk like. I mean, they're wild. When he does all the Kardashians and they only talk like this,

nom, nom, nom, nom. And Caitlyn does all the talking. Find the one where Caitlyn got a new vagina and she's telling everybody about her new vagina. Holy shit, is it funny. Oh my God, is it funny. I've gone to where where i got i'll start flipping through them and then you're just like yeah you just get kind of lost i was a big that ray leota is one of the first ones i saw that i was like this is the funniest thing jeff goldblum ones

off the charts too he does an amazing jeff goldblum but that's the thing about dunagan too is like he's a master impersonator like his impressions are fucking great yeah he could do a lot of weird voices you know they're like i didn't think like i've never heard anybody do mar that good like he sounds like mar yeah you know he has the mannerisms he knows the the tone the way they talk it's impressive fuck yeah it's super impressive but that's like for your example like this is example, they're completely independent. It's not this, right? First female orgasm.

Maybe that's it. Yeah, maybe that's it. I'm close. To what? Close to my first female orgasm. This isn't quite working. I need some tips on how to finish. I've been at this for two hours.

Oh my god. Is that a new chipmunk? I love that. Oh that's doing something baby. I need to get some suction on this situation. What is happening? Shut up checkers, you're distracting me. Just let it happen.

Oh that's a good tick Chloe, thanks. You got some. Oh I'm feeling a tickle on what used to be my pickle. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my let it happen, bud. Oh, that's a good tick, Chloe, thanks! You got some.

Oh, I'm feeling a tickle out of what used to be my pickle, baby! Ew! Turn this up a notch, yeah. We need therapy. Alright, let's take this home. Don't use the weed water, bud. We need therapy. Yeah, baby! Oh, jeez, I just squirted on checkers.

You couldn't do that anywhere else. No. You could not do that anywhere else. It's so funny. It's so funny. I if they're on Comedy Central they're gonna take that into the room and he goes

this is what we're thinking and they're like what are you talking about get the fuck out of here you're gonna get us all killed he can't do this but you have to do this

like there's gonna be an outlet for that man you know you can bottle everything down so you know I think the outlet down so you know that yeah i think the outlet is i mean those guys are gonna pop through those guys are probably gonna start

seeing people make stuff that's gonna allow those guys and that's gonna be yeah that's huge because it's like that's your funniest guys yeah so what it's not like those are like kyle and kurt are just like two dudes you don't know and they're we don't know if they're really funny that's seasoned seasoned comedians right that we you can count on that we know are funny guys have worked behind the scenes uh you know kurt's kurt's put specials out kurt's toured like they kyle tours like you're this is not uh uh you're taking a chance. It's a matter of whether you like their comedy or not is your objective. But them being comedy writers and creating comedy, that's as foolproof as you can get. But what they're doing now is perfect.

I think it's building. It's building mostly by word of mouth and people sharing them and spreading them. But most of them have millions of views now. But at what point, if you go take that show, I'm saying, like, you look at it going like, so what do you want to do with that? So if it's like Kurt and them are like, you're like, all right, I want to make you,

let's make a show. And then so you go, what do you want to do? You want to go to HBO? You're going to someone that's going to restrict you from doing the freedom that you can do versus if you have someone else that creates something or if it goes through YouTube, or whatever it can go through

where they can at least make some money or touring. Yeah, well, that was the idea of Substack. I had one of the co-founders of Substack on YouTube. I don't, it's like you just pay monthly. Yeah, you subscribe to, it was originally just journalists, and now they've moved to podcasts. They have podcasts on it now, even videos they have video podcasts and

So you just subscribe to like whoever you want and and there's no advertising and the money goes You know like they get 10% and you get the rest I Like that that's a great idea Yeah And that like just like podcasts opened up to the door to how much is it like subscribes it like a dollar or two dollars Or I don't know. Some people make it free. You can make it for free.

Some people, their sub stack is just open. And other people, they accept donations. And some people, they charge subscriptions. And some people have some stuff for free. And then some stuff, if you want to be a member, you get all of it. So they just get you into their stuff. And you realize you're a good writer. See, that's hard part is like what's it going to be when you there's only so much where you could be like all right are you going to be paying 80 a month for 80 different people are like you

know well i don't know i don't know the answer to that i mean but i'm not saying sub stack but i'm saying when the future of whatever thing can go to. Right. I love the idea of no ad. Like it's the idea that you can that you could pay a subscription and you don't and you don't have to do ads and you get the content that you want. Right. But it's like if stuff gets too spread out, that's where it's hard to, you know, is it hard to make a superstore out of that? Because you're like too much like people are going spending money and going to.

Yeah, but is that the goal? Just making. No, I don't know. It's not that. The goal is just do your best. Right. Yeah different ways. Yeah, but is that the goal? Just making superstars? No, I don't know. It's not the goal. The goal is just do your best, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It's not the goal. I'm just like, I'm saying that that world kind of dies. Maybe, or there's always going to be certain individuals that do things that are different. You know, that like whether it's Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle in comedy, whatever it is in whatever genre, there's people that never go away you know for whatever reason and I don't think trying to figure out why

is the answer for the individual I think for the individual it's like just do your best just do your best and do the best version of what you're doing and if you're doing if you're comparing yourself to others do it in a way that inspires you only don't do it in a way that inspires you only. Don't do it in a way that turns you into a jealous bitch.

Yeah. Because it's very easy. It's a natural human inclination to tend towards jealousy and bitterness at other's success. Oh, yeah. It's natural. And you feel it. You feel it the whole time you come up and then you slowly. I always tell people, it's like whatever you feel, slowly you're just going to move on and then you're like i can't

believe i can't even cared about that as long as you care about yourself and you just end up it's not that you don't complain to your friends about it are you you know you be just keep the circle tight i've been venting is great you do that kind of stuff and then you get back and just mind your own business and be like it's hard to stick to a plan because people tend to think, well, this is working for this person, and then they change their whole act to try to be that person where you've got to go, no, no, no, just stay forward, and then you keep moving forward. Because then a lot of times you can watch the thing that you're jealous of. You end up watching you pass it.

And at one point you were jealous of that. Well, it's just a bad instinct, you know, because it's the same fuel that you could use for inspiration. And it's positive. It's the same fuel. You just decide how to use it. You know, that feeling that you get that you're not as good or you're not as valued or you're not as Appreciated that that feeling is fuel. You just got to use it the right way The problem is there's a just a natural

Inclination to feel negative about the person like I've heard people shit on people that are really good like really good famous comedians like oh His last special was garbage all this is I'm like you put anything out in years You shut the fuck up like you you first of all you're wrong. It's not it's not garbage and second of all It's like you're looking at it You're looking at it like it's representative of what he does and It is in that one particular set But everybody has sets that are kind of squirrely and one one good way to guarantee

you're going to have a squirrely set is film it yeah you know film it one show you got one show ready go oh some people can pull that off but some people they come off like a little tense whereas a regular show they'd be like super loose but there's this like natural inclination to like want them to fall you know you want to see them fall because somehow it lifts you up but it's easier than you trying it's just is for that person to fall is easier than that person trying to it's a bad use of energy yeah it's a bad use of energy because that same energy if you don't give in to that instinct and i've felt that instinct many times in my life it's a gross instinct to like be upset at someone who's doing better than you.

But if you can just take that and say, oh, this is fuel for inspiration for me to get better and to become undeniable. Be undeniable. That's it. Just do that. So Steve Martin. Yeah. Be undeniable. Is that what he said?

I think it was a book. That was his book? I could be making all this up. I know he had Let's Get Small. Not his book, but I thought it was Steve Martin said, Just Be Undeniable. Or that's what I always heard he said. Maybe he didn't.

He was a smart dude. I didn't know he said it, but I say it too. And I think a lot of people say it. It's just a natural progression. What does he say here? Be undeniably good. There it is. When people ask me, how do you make it in show business or whatever, what I always tell them, and nobody ever takes note of it, because it's not the answer they

wanted to hear. What they want to hear is, here's how you get an agent. Here's how you write a script. Here's how you do this. But I always say, be so good they can't ignore you. If somebody's thinking, how can I be really good? People are going to come to you. It's much easier doing it that way than going to cocktail parties. Bam. So Steve Martin just said exactly what I said. Or no, I said exactly what he said.

He said it already. You might have said it before. I don't think so. You know? I don't think so. But it's the same feeling. That was from last week. It's the same feeling. Just might have said it before. I don't think so. You know? I don't think so, but it's the same feeling. That was from last week. It's the same feeling.

Just don't concentrate on that. Just, you know, just do your, especially in something like comedy. It's way harder in acting because you got to get chosen. Yeah. We don't have to get chosen. There's always, if you're doing shows, you know, you get recognized by your peers. People take you on the road. You get working in the clubs.

You start making a living. We don't get chosen. We get made. We make ourselves and we have other people help us. And that's not a thing an actor necessarily gets to do. It's not up to them. It's a way harder fucking road, man. Yeah, I never envied it in the fact. If you can get to a point where you're a fucking working actor for decades

like a John Leguizamo. It is crazy. Or like a James Franco. There's not that many, man. Not that many who get to that spot. You know? How many Lawrence Fishburne's

are there? I mean, how many got... You know? And they didn't let him be in that Wick, the last Wick movie. Didn't he get killed? I don't think so.

I don't... Not the Wick. i mean the uh they stab him in the third wick movie not the wick uh uh the other one what's the other one keanu reeves oh the matrix matrix what do you mean i don't think he's in the one that came out what is he you look at the information spreader how spreader. How dare you? Huh? How dare you, man? He saw it. I think he has COVID in it. Think he's got a bad memory? I don't think he has the vaccine in there.

I think the whole point of it. What happened? Why did I not think he was in it? Because you're not paying attention. You're eating gummy bears and taking a nap. All this, I do not follow movies. When you talk about the music playing in the movies, I don't think I ever even pay attention to it.

Go to the opening scene in John Wick 2. There's this fucking badass, it's one of the best muscle car street scenes in a movie. It's John Wick chasing down this assassin in a 1970 Chevelle. Give me the volume, though, because it's got all this music part of the thing this is a great scene so this is right after john wick one ends he's going after everybody who stole his car and killed his dog. He's on this fucking murderous rampage.

But listen, there's music. So there's a car chase. It's fucking amazing. But there's also music playing. By the way, let me just say, for a fact, there's no fucking way a 1970s Chevelle could ever keep up with a motorcycle. Period. End of discussion.

This is silly. But it's still a fucking dope scene. See, look, he's slipping it out and John Wick figures it out. And so he manages to get around traffic. Everybody gets out of the way for John Wick. Look, he's just driving in the middle of the lanes and shit. Everybody's stuck in traffic and he's going sideways around corners. It makes no sense.

Yeah. But listen listen all the music Look it's like letting you know what's happening. Look at yeah, he's got like I've ever paid attention You never seen this or not. I've seen the music to pay attention to music I think about that obsessively whenever I watch a movie and music starts playing I can't help but think that music is playing Yeah, and also that I just accept it. John Wick gets out. Music plays. Yeah, it makes sense why they do it. I mean, you get, like, it makes it awesome.

Yeah. And I think the fact that I don't notice it, maybe that's their job, is to be like, they don't want you to notice it. Well, it's way better than without the music yes like this is better yes this shit yeah set the tone tell me what the fucking mood is bitch it's awesome but that that's you talk about multicam on uh or tell us you knows with comics that's why the multicam, I think, worked, because it was like, it was attached to live laughs. Yeah. And it was nice to, real laughs, yeah.

Yeah, real laughs, it was nice to really laugh. With the people. With the people. And the audience, and the comic knows how to play off laughs, which made the energy better. 100%, 100%. Yeah, it's infectious, yeah. And when you hear them

When they have laugh tracks It's a little insulting Who was the fucking demon Who first figured out the laugh track How about we don't even have to have them laugh We'll just play recordings of people laughing We'll tell these dumb cocksuckers what's funny Have you ever seen a professional laugher?

What? So when I did, unless I could be making all this. It might be me. It might be all. When we did our pilot, they had people come in. So you could,

when you have to run through the whole thing, you can't bring in a whole audience, so they bring in four people that can that are great laughers and so you can kind of get your timing off of it oh that's hilarious and so the dude you look in the crowd it's like four people like ah like really loud laughing and they were like really good you imagine if somebody like hired them and got busted. They hired them to be in their stand-up comedy taping. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

The whole audience would be there? Well, just a giant amount. Yeah. Hired 150 laughers. That'd be... That'd be so crazy. Yeah. What if they fucked up?

You're so bad, they don't know where the setups are, where the punchline is. Dude, I did that comedy.tv with Byron Aaron years ago, and they had the same audience for like seven hours. And so there were tape in it. And like by the time we went up, you're like, this crowd doesn't even, they're laughing at all the, like it is, you're in front of a robot audience that has no,'re not listening they've been there for too long and so they would laugh at just if you pause they would laugh being like i don't care is this where i should laugh and i remember just the whole set i just stared at this guy he had a big he had big hair and he's sitting there and he's the whole show he's furious like it's a guy that like goes i was supposed to be here for an hour and y'all made me watch every comedian that's ever lived

five minutes and he was so mad and they're getting paid very they're getting paid but it's not much not much not enough to sit through that no Those people are all living below the poverty line, I would imagine. They were not happy. No. And you felt it. Yeah, that's almost like showbiz adjacent. You're getting paid. You're in the audience.

You're getting paid. You're a paid audience member. Yeah, it's a job. It's a job. It's an extra. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of like an extra, right? That's a fucking horrific job It's an extra. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of like an extra, right? That's a fucking horrific job, being an extra.

I'm reading through an article from LA Weekly where they were getting them from Central Casting, professional laughers. To an extent, not even that long ago, they were using it instead of canned laughter. They would put fake people in waves to laugh at certain levels, and when they would start dying, they'd replace them. When you say, who's they? Who did this? The casting director. Really? Yeah.

So they would hire, wow. They would hire people to fake laugh. She would screen them. She got so good at it, people started calling her to replace their audiences with the people she could find. Oh, my God, that's crazy. Well, it's something that no one's ever really dove into to think there's a lot of people that are really good laughers.

Well, there's also, like, I mean, they're not just good laughers. Let's be real. They're not just good laughers. They're going to laugh if it's funny or not. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, not going to laugh. Yeah, you're right.

This is performative laughing. Easy to entertain. They're just, like, they... But can you imagine if you like had, but it makes sense that they would rig the whole thing. We were talking about like having a star, like there's so much money attached to these things. Like the more of a laugh that something gets, the more people might be inclined to laugh at home.

The more like maybe the performers would be energized because they're killing but that will take but it's a it's a better product in your mind it's not in what you're going to see it's not a better product because it's it's it's gonna it's all fake and that means the jokes will not be truly tested right that's why like when with comics it's like when you go somewhere and you go like do a special or somewhere and someone's like no you're like you know this person's going to oh everywhere in america and maybe the world and they're trying this joke this is these jokes the comics like they're the most tried thing that you've ever seen but what if they have already done it what if that's the big bang? What if it was just all professional laughers?

Yeah, but the Big Bang, yeah. They already did it, and they made a fucking kajillion dollars. Yeah, Big Bang was funny. I mean, my parents loved it. I've seen some clips of it that were very funny. So maybe they're really good at it. I think they're good at it. I think that shows you that.

That was Chuck Lorre that's made a lot of, like that shows you that the multicams. I don't really think they had fake people in the audience laughing. I think you do. I don't.

I don't think Laurence Hussberg was in Matrix. What I'm saying is, imagine if they... We can beg to differ. We agree to disagree, Joe. I don't disagree.

I didn't see the last one. I'm ignorant completely. But what was my point? They could do it. And it's like, what if they did do it and we don't know? Yeah, I think they could pull it off. I do think you'd laugh because other people laugh. That's true.

I do. If you're contagiously, you want to be like, yeah, we're having a good time. Do you think any of the laughers pull the people aside and go, you know, I just want you to know, even if I wasn't getting paid, I would still laugh. Yeah.

I think it would be funny to have them, a professional laugher, he's like, ah, hi, you should hear a gunshot. And you're like, this guy just had enough. Like, he just can't. And now the other people start laughing because they're nervous.

It just sounds like you're like, a guy just killed himself. They just throw him in a hefty bag and drag him out real quick. And place him with another guy. And everybody's just kind of awkwardly. Lay some plastic down the seat. He's fine, he's fine, he's fine. We'll get someone else. Sit there.

Jesus Christ. That's the Russian version of it. It's too much. That's the Russian version of it It's too much That's the Russian version of Byron Allen Guys just blowing their brains out Guys licking the tire Because he doesn't even know it tastes good His whole life's fake

He's oblivious How crazy is Russian roulette Oh I don't know how you How crazy is it I was just thinking about that First of all that it's called Russian roulette? Oh, I don't know how you... How crazy is it? I mean, I was just thinking about that. First of all, that it's called Russian roulette, which is nuts. Who invented that?

Is it just Russians? I hope so. Are they that wild that they came up with that? And then two... Well, you've seen that look at the Russian Instagram? Like, look at this Russian? Oh, no. There's an Instagram page that's... I think it's called Look at This Russian,

and it's just people in Russia doing stuff. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. Did you see what they did recently? They had a 600 versus 600 boxing match. 600 people versus 600 people in a field with boxing gloves on, and they come towards each other and just beat the holy fuck out of each other. You have to Google that, Jamie. And does someone win?

Send me that link to that Russia thing. Or does everybody lose? Who fucking knows? I only watched a small clip on Instagram. I have no idea what the context was, no idea what was happening. But look at this. They're running towards each other with fucking boxing gloves on. Look at this.

There's guys in the yellow shirts and guys in the black shirts. And it's just a fucking swarm of people, two on one, three on one, four on one, people beating the fuck out of each other. They go down. They're punching each other when they're down. There's no referees. And they look like they're kids. They all look like they're in their teens or early 20s.

Yeah, they get tired. Well, they're fucking going full blast. They're sprinting. I mean, the idea that this is a fucking sport is crazy. Like, these are the people that we're thinking about going to war with? Settle down, everybody. This is what they're doing when they're waiting to go to war? Well, this is what we're doing.

We're arguing over 78 different genders. They're beating the fuck out of each other on a football field. 600 versus 600. I mean, just running into each other. It's hard parts of the world, man. Well, the fact that they have that, you said the Russian roulette, that if that was made, that's such a crazy. You have a board game night with some families and someone doesn't go home.

Maybe a couple don't go home. You want to talk about the awkward conversations you have on a blind date, you're like, well, that's what you should do. If it's uncomfortable with a guy, you're like, let's play Russian roulette. And then you just kill the person that's uncomfortable and you're like, I did you a favor.

All right, I did it. Come on. Let's play some Monopoly. That's the craziest that's uncomfortable. You're like, I did you a favor. All right. I did you a favor. Come on. Let's play some Monopoly. That's the craziest thing to do. Russian Roulette is the craziest thing to do. Like, to imagine. Yeah, where did it come from? Like, is it, are you allowed to play it?

I bet people made prisoners do it. I bet that was probably the first versions of it. I bet people did it to prove that they didn't give a fuck. You know, that they weren't scared. I bet people did it to prove that they didn't give a fuck, that they weren't scared. I bet, yeah. It's one of the fucking dumbest things you could ever do. Yeah, I don't know the joy. I guess the joy of living.

Remember that scene in Deer Hunter? Holy shit. I don't think I've ever seen Deer Hunter. You never saw Deer Hunter? No. Oh my God, dude. It's an incredible scene with Robert De Niro and Christopher Walken and They're they're they're playing Russian roulette with each other

They play Russian roulette with Guards they play Russian roulette with the Vietcong. It's crazy man, and they make them do it and Then and they look at this. Play this. Give me some volume. Look at this. And they're betting. They're betting on who gets shot.

And they're making these guys play Russian roulette. Look at this. You or me. Look at this. Look at them. They got guns pointed to them. This is wild, man. Gun to mouth. Oh Fuck fuck Come on. In! Come on.

No more. No more. No more. No more. No more. No more. No more. No more.

No more. No more. No more. Move! Move! Move! Move! God damn it! It's gonna be alright, Nicky. Go ahead, shoot! Shoot, Nicky! Go down there! You, you motherfucker! Go down there!

No, no, no, no, Nicky! Oh, you... Oh! Oh, you got... Oh! Oh, you're gonna die, you motherfucker! You're gonna die! Ow! Go ahead. Go ahead, Nicky.

Go ahead. Just do it. Just do it. Do it. Do it. Go ahead. Bro. This is definitely not what i thought this movie was about i would have went into this movie thinking it's completely something different well the movie

is about vietnam but the no deers the deer hunter thing is he takes a shot at a deer and misses and he will not take a second shot. Like he has this ethic in his head that it should be one shot, one kill. This guy has these morals and ethics that he applies to hunting and to life, and then he gets thrown into the chaos of the Vietnam War, and then there's a lot of shit in that movie. It's a heavy movie, but it's a really good movie. Yeah, I want to. I'm going back and watching much old movies because I missed a lot of shit in that it's a heavy movie yeah but it's a really good movie yeah a really good movie

i'm going back and watching much old movies because i didn't i missed a lot of movies that's that's one that holds up man that was there music playing no music when that was real yeah that was interesting right we didn't even notice but what the acting god damn the act but maybe because it's like you know what's funny with the music is like It's more. That's why it's more intensive a scene right because you're not you're not Distracted by music you're just having to feel like you're sitting there right and the acting count. Oh, well That's Christopher Walken in that scene Jesus Christ. Very good Jesus Christ using the matrix and those guys that are smacking him around. How great are those guys?

Who are those guys? That's what I mean. You see some of those movies with those, you're like, dude, these dudes. That guy really looks like he's forcing that guy to shoot himself in the head. It's crazy. I always think that in some of those movies, you're like, how? Is there just like, some of these other countries, you're like, they're going to this town and being like, how many Oscar nominees do we have here?

And they're just yanking them out. And you're like, these dudes are the greatest actors I've ever seen in my life. And we don't even talk about it. We're like, all right, thanks for everything. Yeah. And you're like, you're better than our own people, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

It is true. There's a lot of, I mean, Captain Phillip, like that guy, was like, that guy became, like, that guy's a star. It's like you end up becoming some guys that you think are going to, they're just like, you're like, well, I don't know if they even expect them to be a star. They're just, and then you're like, this dude's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, there's talented people out there. And there's more opportunities now for talented people just to get your shit out there than ever before. It's weird.

Weird time. It is. It's exciting, though. You know, we were talking about streaming versus putting things on YouTube last night versus doing what Schultz did or what people are doing with other stuff on Substack and other places. It's an interesting landscape. Yeah. It does. It opens an interesting landscape. Yeah, it does. It opens the door for anybody.

Anybody can go grab success. I think there's going to be a lot more people that you're, you know, someone's going to be like, I don't know who that is. And you're like, well, that guy's worth $100 million and he's enormous and he has a giant following. And, you know, you build your audience. If you walk around with an audience, you know it's you build your audience if your audience you walk around an audience you can compete because you just have if you're creating something that is substantial an act create an act create something people can come back to create something that people like

yeah all right i think we did it happy birthday happy birthday to me thank you it's a big day when's's your birthday? March 25th. I'll remember it. I'm going to write it down. Thanks, man. Same day as Stan Hope and Tommy Johnigan. Is it really? Okay.

I'll remember that now. Yeah. I appreciate it, dude. It's fun hanging out with you, brother. I loved it, man. We've got to do this more often. I know. It'd be a lot of fun.

That's like four hours, right? Four fucking hours, dude. Lawrence Hesper. We didn't even pee. We didn't pee. Very impressive. I've peed. All right. Nate, you? Four fucking hours, dude. Lawrence Hesper. We didn't even pee. We didn't pee. Very impressive. All right, Nate, you're the fucking man. Tell everybody, is it natebergazzi.com?

Yep, natebergazzi.com. Big tour going on right now. Yeah, you're all over the place. All over the place. Go to my website. All this stuff's there. And your podcast is? Nate Land Podcast.

Nate Land. Is that on everything? It's on everything. My buddy with Nashville Comics, Dusty Slay, Aaron Weber, Brian Bates. Beautiful. All right. Thank you, and bye, everybody. Bye.