The Joe Rogan Experience - #1868 - Sam Morril

Episode Date: September 7, 2022

Sam Morril is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, and co-host of "Games with Names": a sports podcast with former NFL wide receiver Julian Edelman. Check out his new comedy special, "Same Time Tomorrow," now streaming on Netflix. www.sammorril.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. What's happening, brother? We're up and rolling. Thanks for having me. Pleasure to meet you, finally. I know, I'm excited to be here. You're one of my favorite guys. Really? Thank you.

Yeah, there's this group of guys that are coming up that are so good right now i feel like this is a great time for like fresh up-and-coming comedy talent it's like there's so many guys who've been doing comedy like 15 plus years who just fucking starting to crack yeah our group is like really you know my closest friends or they work their ass off so that makes me work my ass off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. I love it, too.

That's so important. We were talking about Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis has this fucking bit last night about George Washington that's so good. It's so good. Like, I was watching. I was going, God damn, this is great. Because it's, like, a perfect bit that combines his love of history with just like Shane, you know, the way he acts things out.

I don't want to give up any of it up. It's so fucking funny. There's nothing worse than trying to paraphrase another comics bit that they're working on. And then they're like, why did you do that? You made my bit unfunny. I would ruin it and I'd give it away. And on top of that, it's like, it's very physical. You have to see it.

He's a rare combination of a great joke writer but also a great performer yeah i mean when he did trump speed dating in that sketch that was like i was like i'm i don't like trump impressions i think they're kind of an easy impression yeah and i was like that's a great trump impression it's amazing but with great lines that's what i mean impressions i don't like when people write off impressions because impressions crack me up if they have good writing right right that's the thing it's like it's like crowd work like you get like an extra bump off the fact that it's all happening live like oh this is crazy but if someone's good with it and they've got good lines it's fun to watch yeah nothing is that's a mistake a lot of comics makers like this is hack or there's like nothing is inherently hack right you know things can be like i love like

kyle dunnigan's impressions i love his bill maher impression i love like i i think if if if you nail it in a unique way that hasn't been nailed yeah that's what shane did with trump yeah yeah to have trump win was in the sketch is funny. Yes. Because if you just had women being like, you suck, that's not funny. But the fact that Trump in the sketch is just calling them, the way he turns on them, it's perfect. As soon as they don't like him anymore. But because it's Trump.

You nailed Trump. That's what he does. Yeah, that's what he does. And also, Shane actually likes Trump. He gets a kick out of Trump, so it's like it makes it fun. Well, it's hard to impersonate people that you don't like, right? It's kind of like roasting someone you don't like. It's just weird.

Right, right, right. Yeah, the roasting thing is weird. I mean, when I first went back to the Comedy Store in 2014, that was the first time I ever saw a roast battle. And I was like, yikes. Like, these fucking people go hard in the pain at each other it used to be like you look weird now it's

like this guy got raped in seventh grade and you're like that's the joke your wife and kids left you like whoa hey I saw one with a guy like his wife had a miscarriage and I'm like she's here Jesus Christ can you imagine being that wife she's like I didn't sign up for this shit.

Exactly. I had to tell this to a comic the other day. He brought this girl as a date and he was talking about all the stuff they did. I go, you just started dating her. And you're talking about her blowing you on stage. And then she has to see all these people. Yeah. I'm like, don't do that.

Not the best intro. He just started dating her. Yeah. This is terrible advice. There's some people that want to be a part of your act, and there's other people that are like, can you not? Yeah. Can you give it a few months? Yeah, most people don't want to be a part of your act.

There was a roast joke. Dina Hashim, who's a really funny comic, great writer, and she opens for me a lot on the road. She did a roast against this guy, Dave Kinney, who's really really funny comic, great writer, and she opens for me a lot on the road, and she did a roast against this guy Dave Kenny, who's really funny, and they were roasting each other, and she had the most savage line I've ever heard in a roast. His mom died in a car crash, in a motorcycle crash, and she goes, Dave lives the way his mom died, an unrecognizable road feature.

You can't knock the structure, though. It's a great joke. It's a great joke it's a great joke but i'm like but that's fucking harsh that's harsh that's what i mean like did you say i thought i thought like i'm expecting people to tell me i have one eyebrow not like you know well it's like everything else right things just ramp up yeah like you know they they escalate. You know, it's like everything else in the world. It just keeps getting more complex and harder and more biting and cars get faster. Phones work quicker. Like everything. What you jerked off to as a kid is different than what I jerked off to.

And then versus someone 10 years younger than me, what they jerked off to. Everything ramps up to a point where you're like, is this good? Probably not. Everything ramps up to a point where you're like, is this good? Probably not. Well, porn for kids is a real problem because they get access to it almost immediately. Ten-year-olds get phones. Yeah.

So they're immediately watching people fuck. I know. Yeah. It's pretty intense. I don't even go through my kids' phones to look at their history. Why would you want to? It's not going to be good. They ask me questions sometimes though and I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.

What kind of questions? Well, they ask me questions about me, which is a problem because like kids from school like talk to them about stuff. So they ask me questions about drugs, which is interesting to talk to a 14-year-old about drugs. But you're like a responsible drug user.

Well, I say, first of all, don't do anything that's dangerous and addictive. Like they're not worth it. You know, I talk like there's all these different drugs that can literally ruin the rest of your life. And then there's stuff like pot. You know, it's like, it's not good for you because you have a growing mind. Like your mind is developing. Like you shouldn't do anything until you're like 25 really. But that's unrealistic. developing. Like, you shouldn't do anything until you're, like, 25, really. But that's unrealistic. Isn't that weird that renting a car is 25 and everything? Like, drinking alcohol.

Like, people say lower the drinking age. Like, 21, first off, it's not hard to get drunk in this country. Right. If you're 18. You can figure it out. Does anybody ever really get drunk at 21? That's like, does anybody get married and they're virgins? Some people.

Some people. But it's probably the same amount that get drunk for the first time at 21. Those people are really prioritizing other shit. I mean, to wait to get married to fuck is pretty bold. I know a guy who did it. Really? Yeah, he was like 26 or 27 too too and i'm pretty sure he's gay damn that's pretty sure yeah i'm pretty sure because you want it i mean you want to take it

for a test drive i just don't get he's not a bad looking guy either it's like i don't know maybe maybe he's like fully religious and that's really i know people like that who are fully religious and the amount of guilt associated with it i had had a friend who was like, who was like, had these insane fears where he would say things like, I'm scared I'm going to get me too'd. And I was like, you're a virgin. That's hilarious. You're not getting, no, how can you, you physically can't be me too'd. You've done nothing that's me tooable. You know, what's funny to me is when someone else gets me too'd, you see the fear in the tweets of the people that are coming out against that

person like what you just see the you like you know there's certain people when they virtue signal sure like bro let me look in your closet let me you're going so hard against this person when you don't even know exactly what happened in there yeah no there's a lot of that you're true it's true i mean the people that are loudest i mean cosby right yeah oh yeah he was the guy yelling at everybody for doing dirty material about filth yeah meanwhile he's raping everybody yeah yeah it's like any time a comics or like you judge a comics character based on the content of their material. It's like you're missing the big picture. Well, it's like the only time when the material is supposed to actually, truly represent how that person feels about a subject.

Right. Like you never see a Quentin Tarantino movie and go, oh, he supports murder. But he got shit. I mean, he definitely got shit for stuff. I mean, I don't think deservedly so, but he's he's definitely movies there's always a slight difference because you're playing a character right i do think it's hilarious that he cast himself to do the dead n-word storage character in the movie yeah that would have been weird as hell if you had people reading for that part you know i have one scene in a movie what do you do i just say the n-word 400 times it didn't

make sense like why he was saying it the way he was saying it. And to Samuel L. Jackson, I'm like, I wouldn't have the balls in any scenario. There's no world where I could pull this off. So, you know, but great movie. I mean, Tarantino's body of work is insane. It's as good as anybody. Jackie Brown is the most underrated one. I always said, I think it's such a great movie.

It's a great movie. It's a great movie. It's so, great soundtrack. He doesn't have a bad one. He doesn't have one movie where I didn't like it. Yeah, he's one of the best. It's like Tarantino, the Coen brothers.

I mean, like, who can top, obviously, like, there's Scorsese a little older, but I mean, I grew up loving Woody Allen, and that's a tough, as a Jew from New York, that's a tough one to swallow

right there. It is now. Try re-watching Manhattan, and that's a tough, as a Jew from New York, that's a tough one to swallow right there. It is now. Try re-watching Manhattan, and if you're comfortable watching it, you're probably a pedophile, you know? I don't remember Manhattan. It's incredible, but it's fucking weird. What year was that? It's in the 70s. It's black and white.

My friend Ronan Hirshberg has a great line about that movie where he said, it's basically a romantic comedy for pedophiles because the end of the movie is not like I fucked up by dating a high school girl. It's that he's sad that it didn't work out. Really? Yeah. I might not have ever seen it. Mariel Hemingway. Oh, you know what?

I definitely didn't see it. It's, I mean, it's- So she's in high school? The open, she's a, get this, she's 18 at Dalton, which is where Jeffrey Epstein taught. And this is the 70s. That's when he taught there. Allen and Epstein are... This is my...

I mean, it's a little weird, right? Yeah. I mean, here's the fucked up part, though. The opening is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in a movie. It's just his love letter to New York. It's gorgeous. And I grew up, like, worshiping woody allen he's done some weird shit he definitely has yeah i mean there's no doubt about it he married his stepdaughter i mean that enough that alone is not good yeah no i mean

that's crazy and then there's allegations from the other uh kids yeah. Were they coach? Were they not? I don't know. The one kid, right? Yeah. I don't know, but it's enough to go, It's enough to be bummed. Yeah, yeah.

Really bummed. Yeah. Yeah. You ever listen to his stand-up, his old stand-up? It's brilliant. It's brilliant. He was a great,

that's what's, we were like, oh, you're a great short story writer, you're a great stand-up, you're a great filmmaker, and then you do some weird jazz thing on the side that no one. I have friends who are like, do you want to watch him? Do I want to watch the thing he's fifth best at?

No. Do you want to watch me play checkers? No. Fuck that shit. I don't want to watch Woody Allen at the Carlisle. I could give a fuck. I guess if I was really a hardcore Woody Allen fan, I'd go watch it. Really? Just to see him do something that he loves.

You know? Maybe. The Carlisle where you pay $26 for a Manhattan? I would go see Hunter S. Thompson play drums, even if he sucked. Just because I was such a Hunter fan. I loved Woody Allen. He loved New York in a way where we felt cool as New Yorkers to be like, fuck Woody Allen. It's Woody Allen.

I used to see him on the street all the time and he was just, anytime you'd be like, Woody, he'd just like run. It was amazing. He'd just run away from you. What year was this? Post all the accusations? I was working at a summer camp in the summer or something

and I was like a counselor and I saw him and I was like, Woody, and he just ran. Weird to see him run away from kids. But, you know, Woody Allen annie hall is like the i mean as comics that's like the yeah that's like the prototype right there where you're like whoa you made it's also the perfect rom-com because they don't end up together like there's so many it's such an unhollywood at that time especially rom-com yeah and diane keaton fucking rules yeah diane keaton's great

what was the film that he made with was the guy with the fucked-up nose geez Owen Wilson Owen Wilson yeah we're he's a way that that's how you're identify handsome guy he's a handsome guy got a fucked-up nose it is fucked up it kind of works with them because he's so handsome like having that fucked-up nose kind of balances it out where you like him more that's a great movie Midnight in Paris it is very good but it's him

he's playing Woody Allen like everyone is John Cusack in Bullets Over Broadway another great movie another great movie Woody Allen

you're playing Woody they all just feel real bad about working with him now though it's so strange yeah they try to kind of defend him a little bit and the only one

who's ever defended him like I mean they all kind of avoid it when they can. But it's one of those things. It's like, what do you do? Yeah. I mean, it's tough. He's one of the greatest.

I mean, Polanski's another one, right? You think of, like, the greatest movie. Chinatown's one of the greatest movies ever made. Fantastic movie. It's impossible to watch that and not see I'm not enough of a film guy to like notice you know great cinematography when you watch that movie you're like every frame looks beautiful yeah it's insane yeah sometimes creeps are really good at a thing isn't that creeps are good too that's the problem is throughout history.

We were talking about this the other day, that like Socrates and Plato, a lot of these guys that we associate with some of the most brilliant things that anybody ever wrote were pedophiles. Like there was a lot of that going on back then. Maybe that's where they got their powers or something. Fucking kid just makes you really good at your art. I don't know. I don't think so. No, no. I don't think so. No, no. I don't think so either.

But what's his face? Fucking Baldwin. Alec Baldwin. He's the only guy that defends him now. Yeah. Pretty openly. That guy needs some allies. Yeah, he needs somebody on his team.

Did you see Tim Dillon did Alec Baldwin's podcast? I thought that was the most on-brand perfect thing. I saw that. I was like, good. Thank God. Hey, man. It's another. I love Alec Baldwin.

Like, I can't act like. Great actor. 30 Rock is one of the best comic performances of all time. I mean, it's up there. He's brilliant. Well, Glenn Gary Grunbross, the fucking, the coffees for closers. Oh, dude. He's a fucking killer.

He's a straight up killer. And he's also literally given that monologue to probably all his heroes. It's like Jack Lemmon, Kevin Spacey. He's probably all dudes he looked up to. Yep, yep. You know, Alan Arkin. Yep, yep. All heavyweight actors that he's just like, you've put that fucking coffee down.

How cool is that to do that to you? It's like doing it to you, you do that to you like it's like doing it like to you you do that like to like george carlin or something right it's so cool yeah jack fucking lemon yeah that guy kicked ass yeah the apartment one of the greatest movies of all time jack lemon's awesome on that point billy wilder maybe the best american director of all time when you look at like the the the variety of work he did like You do a movie like The Apartment, then he also did Double Indemnity and Sunset Boulevard and Some Like It Hot.

Who's making those different types of movies? I don't think I've seen any of those. Oh, dude, Double Indemnity is the best film noir ever, maybe. Oh, it's brilliant. Edward G. Robinson and Fred McMurray. You're a big film buff. I like movies, yeah. I'm on the road a lot.

I like to watch... You feel better if you watch something good on the road than if I just watched some like beat Bobby Flay horse shit. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, a lot of people feel like to, to, to be entertained is actually good for the creative process. Yeah. It inspires you, you know, you feel, you feel like you want to make, you know, like I'm not going to make a movie. That's not my, but like you feel you feel like you want to make you know like i'm not going to make a movie that's not my but like i watch them like i want to make something i want to make stuff so do you do any movie making stuff do you write or no why write yeah i wrote you know i've written a lot of stuff uh screenplays like show ideas and stuff i'll make them when i have time i just i'm all in on stand-up now I don't have to, I kind of give everything to standup cause I feel like that's what it requires right now. So yeah,

I love, I love standup so much. Well, it shows, it shows with how much you put out, you put out so much and you're one of those guys that if someone follows you on Instagram, you're constantly uploading content, which I think is so smart. I just have people film the shows cause I figure like some cool moment will happen. I don't want to burn material until a special comes out, so I like to just post a topical bit or a crowd work moment because the special is like that's the material. That's when I'll give the material. The special that you have out now that's coming out, is it out or is it coming out?

It's out September 1st. And what's it on? Netflix, same time tomorrow. Nice.? Netflix. Same time tomorrow. Nice. Nice. On Netflix. Yeah, man. It's tough to even...

People are like, this is cool. It's on Netflix. I'm like, I gotta write a new fucking hour, dude. I know. You don't even feel good. I don't feel...

I'm so terrified. And then I talk to comics who are like, oh, you can't tour until you have a new act. I'm like, well, that's not what I do. I need a workshop on the road.

So I do the road every week to just... I need an hour. I can't write till you have a new act i'm like well that's not what i do i i need a workshop on the road so i do the i do the road every week to just i need an hour i can't write for 15 minutes at a chunk no i can't well louis was telling me the process that he did for his last special and uh he said he had to put together a whole new hour in two months jesus christ i know and he goes i've never done that before he goes it was really hard but what i did is i it kind of had 20 minutes and so i went up with that 20 minutes and I got it to where it works. And then he said, okay, now I can't do that 20 minutes anymore. And then I started with a whole new 20 minutes and I did that till it worked. And then I put that aside. I didn't touch that. And then I had another 20 minutes and I worked on that. So he, in two months,

put together a full hour of comedy. He's ruining comedy for us because he did this with the year and a half model. I'm like, oh, fuck, Louis is doing an hour and a half. Now we all have to work at that clip. And now Louis is going to do the two-month turnaround for a special. I don't. Not really. For me, I need more time. You know, I was doing the two-year model.

And I did two years in 2014, 16, and 18. And I was scheduled to do one in 2020, but then the pandemic hit. And so I didn't do stand-up for a bunch of months, and then I started doing it again, but I was mostly kind of doing my old stuff. And then I started doing regular shows around here and writing and putting it together. So when I filmed, I filmed a couple of weeks ago and it was like four years. Damn. So it was like so tight.

Everything was so tight. And I was like, man, maybe I'd need a better model. Like, you know, I was talking to, well, I was listening to Chris Rock talk about this rather. And he was saying that he thinks a special should be special. And that, you know, like he doesn't think it should come out every year, every two years. He's thinking you should wait more time. Well, he does do that. I mean, that's funny.

I remember Rock is so wise that whenever he says something, even if it doesn't make total sense, I'm like, let me listen. You've got to listen a little. Oh, yeah. He's Chris Rock. I remember hearing, he said at the Cellar once, he was like, a new special should have a new feature. It should be like an iPhone. I'm like, hell yeah. And then I thought about it.

I'm like, I don't know if I can, I don't think that you'd need to do that for every special. What kind of feature? I don't know if I can. I don't think that you'd need to do that for every special, you know, kind of feature. I don't know. Like maybe you do a new like a new like if you have a new thing, like there's this comic Danny Jal is in L.A. And he's a really funny guy. And he is doing a special where it's like choose your own adventure style. So you click a button where he's like, I love this. And he's like, or do I hate it? You decide and you click which one you want him. He has a bit for both angles. Oh, nice. So that's a new feature, right? That's great. I did a special during the pandemic in New York.

No clubs were open. So I was like, I'll do a special on rooftops. Yeah. You know? And it was like, in my head, I'm like, well, this is a new feature. But also, I'm like, but the fucking bombs on rooftops. You have never felt anything like it. There's something about bombing in open air by the Hudson where you're like, this is like a cry for help. This is mental illness that I'm here.

I was like, if you have beer and White Claw and a mic and amp and friends, I will come on your roof. I was doing it like every fucking night for months because I was like, this is the only place to do. And it was an amazing thing I never, ever want to do again. But it's a great moment in history. Like when people look back and they see that special they go oh that's a pandemic it was crazy it was uh my cameraman the guy who directed that special matt salic he nearly fell off a roof trying to get a cool shot and i'm like if you die while i'm doing a jack off joke it's the saddest what am i gonna say at your funeral? You know what I mean? He died doing what he loved.

He was, no, he did such a cool job with that. I literally just showed up on a stranger's rooftop and his friend Dominic Mull shows up with a drone camera. I'm like, are we really doing this? This is insane. Yeah, you have to address it. It was that weird moment five minutes in where I had to be like, yeah, we're doing this, guys.

And they were like, all right. It was crazy. Yeah, but historically, it's going to be really cool. It'll be cool in 10 years. Your body of work. I think the pandemic, it was great for comedy. I really do. I think because it made people realize, first of all,

how special this thing is that we get to do. And because it made people realize first of all how special this thing is that we get to do yeah and how it can just go away it was horrible yeah i mean you're right i i remember i put out a special right before it hit uh and it was like you know there you are oh yeah look at that shot that was i bombed that roof so fucking hard i remember that one that one i mean that didn't make my but look at that there's even seats. You had these people sit on towels. Colin Quinn gave me so much shit about the opening of this special. He was just like, oh, all I need is a mic and an amp. Go fuck yourself. He was just annoyed.

How many people were up there? I don't know. There'd be like 40 or 50 people a roof usually. 40 or 50 people a roof. I know. What are you climbing with a white claw? That's hilarious. Well, that was the thing. I was like, I'll show up and then we'll get drunk afterwards. We'll make a night out of it. That's Matt holding the camera up.

With a mask on outside. That's fucking hilarious. Well, we didn't know. We didn't know anything at the time. What month was this? Jeez, it was probably, it was the first, it was 2020. But yeah, I mean, this was a weird, that was in the East Village. We were all over Bushwick, Williamsburg, East Village, Lower East Side, West Village, Hell's Kitchen.

Like, we went everywhere. I mean, it was great. And there's a few rebels in the audience with no masks. We're going to look back on those people. Well, we were, I'm like, am I going to get shit for that? I didn't know, like. Mask or no mask in the audience. You didn't know, yeah.

At the time, outdoor, I didn't know if I was going to get shit for that. So I was like, don't show the crowd too much. Because I was like, I don't know if people are going to get mad at me for this. You know, it was a different. Isn't that crazy? Shit keeps changing, right? Well, it was so different out here than it was anywhere else. When I first came here, I was like, this is so crazy.

New York's a city of hypochondriacs. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're a nervous city. It's built into the whole idea of a city. Like, you're on top of each other. Oh, New York, there's no city where you're more on top of each other. I mean, like, you think about that.

Like, you have to be kind to your neighbor when you're this close at all times. And there's also, like, New York has this kind of, like, complainy, nervous energy to it. Just say Jew. I'm not going to say Jew. I'm not going to say Jew. But you know what I'm saying? New York people complain. Even if it's not non-Jewish people. Like, what the fuck kidding. I'm not gonna say Jew. It's got, but you know what I'm saying? New York people complain, even it's not non-Jewish people. Like what the fuck is this fucking place?

No, it's, you're right, it's cultural. It's venting, it's not even, we don't call it complaining, we call it venting. Yeah. Because there's constant stress and tension. For sure. When you're around that many people. Like venting is some, it's almost like a communal thing.

It's therapeutic. It brings people together, yeah. It's 20 minutes of like, can you believe this shit? Followed by, but life is good. Yeah. That's how you vent. That's venting. It brings people together. It's 20 minutes of like, can you believe this shit? Followed by, but life is good. That's how you vent. That's venting. And it feels good. It feels good to get that out.

It keeps you sane. It does. You think of so many nights, I remember so many nights being a young comic, Mark Norman, he'd walk me to the subway. He lived down there, I lived uptown. He'd walk me to the train, and we would just shit talk about the business

and everything for like 45 minutes, an hour, sometimes two hours. And then we'd be like, all right, good talk. And that was like the therapy. You get it out, you go home and you're like, now I can be a person. Right. That's New York. You need to, I can't defend the city. I love it. I'll never not live there, but it's, it's indefensible in many ways. Did you grow up there? I grew up in New York city. Were you born there? I born there it's in my i can't drive really at all i have a license but i kind of charmed my way through the process i failed too and then the third one i was like please don't fail me and she laughed and i was like i'm in you know i can't drive so i remember i did a road gig with joe list in like 2011 we were co-headlining and it was a terrible gig it was one of those gigs where

uh it was like a good we had to drive from one casino to the next it was a casino run and I was like we'll split the driving you know I was very confident in the time and and Joe's like cool cool and first off we flew into the wrong state on the wrong day it was all my fault I was a total just mess I was an idiot so we fly into like michigan they were like no the first gigs in uh wisconsin and list was like i'm gonna fucking kill you we're here a day late we got docked in pay we're driving around and then joe realizes i can't drive on top of that because i started driving he was like what the fuck are you doing and and i was like i'm driving he's like this isn't driving you're gonna get us killed and then i say well i'm just not that good at turns he was like, I'm driving. He's like, this isn't driving. You're going to get us killed. And then I say, well, I'm just not that good at turns.

He was like, you're not good at turning is part of driving, you idiot. So we're complete idiots. We're bombing these fucking horrible gigs. I remember we show up to one casino in Milwaukee. And this is like such a comedy moment. We were like, first off, List had been doing comedy longer than I had. And we were co-headlining for some reason My picture was giant and it was like a little tiny Joe list picture

So he was furious when we got there. We're in this casino the band cheap trick. I guess they're The music room was under construction. So they put cheap trick in the comedy club, which means yeah, I'm sure they're not thrilled They're in the rock and roll Hall of Fame They're playing like a shitty assass comedy club because of this, which moves us to the bar. So Joe and I are doing jokes during the Milwaukee Brewers playoffs in a bar. We're like, can you at least put the game off the TV? And they're like, no, it's the playoffs.

So we have to do a show while the Cardinals are kicking their fucking ass. And List is on stage bombing. And he's one of the funniest dudes to watch bomb because he's so self-deprecating already. But he just turns to them. He goes, fuck the Brewers. Go Cardinals. And they're booing him.

And then he goes, all right, guys, Sam Morrell. I'm like, dude, what the fuck? So I have to go into that. You know, we would swap who would close. And then, you know, we both bombed. Horrible gig. And I remember Joe the next day was like how the fuck did we get home last night and i was like you drove us what do you mean how did we get

home he's like dude i blacked out and i was like you seem fine i didn't know he was sneaking drinks all night he was an alcoholic and then he was like but in my defense i'm a better blackout driver than you are a sober driver and i was like i can't argue with that that is true that was one of those gigs where you're like uh wow, that was a painful week. But fuck, I'm still in love with the road for some reason. Something about it. I romanticize the road. It is romantic.

Some of my best moments have been on the road. There's something about the road. It's like you're doing it. The thing that we always wanted to do when we were open micers was be a professional. Be a professional comic on the road. Here I am. I'm in Tampa. Here I am.

I'm in Wichita. Here I am. Tampa's an underrated comedy city. Tampa's a great fucking city to do comedy. Tampa crowds. My friends always say, like, you know, the best crowds are a blue city and a red state because you get a good mix. And there's something true about that.

That's Austin. Austin, that's what it is. Yeah, same thing. Great crowds. Yeah. But, you know, Tampa, man, I used to play a club there. Side Splitters, you ever play there? I don't think I did.

It's a great club. It's still a great club. But it's now owned by a different guy. When I started working there, it was run by this guy, Bobby Jewell, who was like a real character. I don't know if you ever heard of him. Toupee, pinky pinky ring dresses like charlie sheen yeah it's perfect dresses like charlie sheen on two and a half men you know those like kind of

polo shirts with the buttons yeah piss drunk he'd pick you up shit-faced in his uh convertible singing jersey boys wasted shit talking you the whole time you're there you fucking pussy you used to drink with me i was like i was 23 like i was 23 i would feature there and we were just pound shots all night and then i'd come back at like you know a couple years later headlining and he'd be like you fucking put he would be mad you wouldn't get blackout drunk with him he would insult his own uh his own patrons they'd be in there laughing at how drunk he was and he'd be like why don't you shut the fuck up and we'd be like these are your customers and he'd be like oh you see he remember uh my friend dina hasham and i were doing a gig there she's she's featuring for me there and we're and he goes why don't i cook

you guys dinner at my place and we're like oh that's very nice of you so we show up and uh he's cooking a steak he's pouring us wine he makes us like a lovely dinner couldn't be nicer then he shows up at the club at like 11 p.m just slurring his words shit face gets in my face and he goes i fucking cooked for you you piece of shit and i was like you offered it i don't know you invited me over what do you want me to he was like mad that i accepted i had a guy once there i played that club so many times it's one of of my favorite clubs. And I had this guy, Raul Sanchez, opening, and he's like a hilarious comic, served in Iraq, you know, like had a crazy life story, came from Mexico, saw action, like serious shit, and he had great bits about it,

which you're like, how often do you hear someone do great bits about something this heavy? And Bobby's just in his face, like you just pounding, apparently cost the club like 40 grand a year in whiskey sales and stuff. So they had to switch them on to like a lower label. And he's just talking shit to Raul. And he's like, you fucking, you fucking,

what tribe are you in Raul? And I'm like, dude, he's fucking Mexican. You're not even being the right type of racist, you idiot. And then, and Raul has the greatest comeback. He goes, airborne infantry, what tribe were you in? And Bobby just goes, well played. He took his L's, which I appreciated.

But the club was great, I mean, it's still great. It's a classic old school club. Like I heard when Larry Miller walked in there, he just like walked in and he was like, do you smell it? Like it was like one of those, he was like, this and he's like do you smell it like it was like one of those yeah this is a classic correct like when paul newman in the color of money walks into a pool hall i smell action hell yeah yeah oh dude paul newman rule oh my god he's one of the greats oh that guy i think a cool hand luke like for some reason like once a week it's just like

the coolest movie oh he's been in so many cool movies man yeah those old school club owners did you ever do kansas city i've done the newer room there i never did sanford and sons i heard that's like craig used to run i don't know if he's still alive anymore but craig also like promoted boxing or something like that he was involved in boxing dvds a side hustle he was always like giving me me DVDs of these boxing matches that he was a part of, but he had the worst toupee, and he sounded like Beetlejuice. So everywhere, take it, man. Here we go. We're going to go to this place.

And he was always trying to bang his waitresses and shit. He was hilarious. Like, come here, sit on my lap. He's like, what are those guys? But it's like those old school guys, but it's like those old-school guys that like completely inappropriate But they're doing that they're running a club the way you thought clubs were run if you saw them in a movie Oh, yeah, when you when you were a kid exciting you feel like you're in a movie. You're really there. I love yeah I mean, that's why I told Dino

I was like just appreciate this because this is like the last one of these dudes left and she was like I love it Yeah, she was into it. She thought it was hilarious. I mean, he really was funny as hell. I remember he was like smoking a cigarette once. He would just talk shit all day. He'd be like, you know what I want, Sam? I want you, Joe List, and Nick DiPaolo in a room tearing each other to shreds.

And I was like, why? And he goes, just cause. That was his energy. He just wanted blood. Well, he probably loved comedy. He did love comedy. I gotta be honest, I enjoyed the hell out of him.

Yeah. It was fun as hell. Those guys are, they're classics. There's not that many of them and it's hard to make a guy like that. Those gigs starting out are like the best. It's funny, you don't realize

you're having the best time in your life. Yeah. yeah because it's not it's so hard to write an hour when those rooms are papered and those people when it's like those are free tickets the whole crowd is like what do you got they're expecting you to suck so you're like well how do i slip new shit in if i'm i got to bring the heat the whole time yeah i look back my i don't know how we did it all of us but uh pressure pressure yeah you got to rise but i remember doing a club fucking awful club uh in yeah virginia beach awful room and i i'm bombing my dick off like one of those like where you're sweating i remember i showed up at the club and the and the bar and the woman behind the bar was like uh someone's got to replace the urinal cakes in the bathroom like she said to me and i was like oh okay like i didn't

realize she was asking me to do that and i was like oh yeah someone should do that and she's like well you and i was like i'm i'm headlining the weekend and she goes and she was like she's like so no and i was like no i don't want to do that and she goes well i'm a woman i can't take them out yeah put the new ones in i was like that's a bad look for your club by the way if i'm if i'm like lurking behind the fucking customers holding urinal cakes you know that's like doesn't you don't look good what is a urinal cake purpose what's the purpose to soak urine up i don't know what does it like help the smell probably they have a smell to them right probably so do they run bad like why were you replacing them i do they run that's like a great one-liner are they gonna go bad yeah i don't know i mean it was crazy i remember

bombing so fucking hard and they had a giant poster like you know the sweats like you get those sweats where you're like i i'm like in the movies sweating bombing and they're drinking long island iced teas i can't connect to long island ice tea drinkers because you're not drinking for the pleasure of it you're drinking to like escape life like that's that's a bad drunk that's like five different liquors in one you know so i'm bombing my dick off i get off state i see a giant poster of uh this magician is it like the classic magician headshot where he's like holding two doves and i was like all right what this is crazy and i looked to my right he's at the bar he was at the show so it felt like magic i was like all right let me talk

to this guy and he's like man you fucking sucked like that was terrible that was so bad and i was like he's like i mean you're funny but like that was not a good show and i was like oh yeah and he's like i saw you on conan once like we should go out i'll show you the real i'll show you the real virginia beach and i was like i'm like what the real virginia beach like all right he's like i'm gonna show you the virginia beach no one talks about so then he just takes me to a bar next door and uh i was like all right we're in a bar there's like a long it's by the way it's like a net i'm like i could have found this fucking bar this is not entertaining to me long line i was like i don't wait on line he's like we're not waiting on line so we just start cutting the line he's giving everyone the finger and i was like who the fuck

is this guy you know and we end up in uh the bouncer is like he just says to the guy the guy's name is stew and he goes not tonight stew first thing the bouncer says to him something this guy's a problem you know what i mean right and then he goes you better let us in or or else and the guy just let us in. We get fucking, he's one of those like drunks who's just like buying, you ever just out with someone where they're just buying every stranger a drink? Yeah. My favorite type of drunk. Yeah.

He's just buying, he's doing shots. He starts doing magic at the bar and he's good. So people are applauding after every, I'm like, this guy's fucking incredible. It was like a fucking, I mean, it was one of those nights where you're like this dude. So it's like a show. It was a show. He I mean, it was one of those nights where you're like, this dude. So it was like a show. It was a show. He grabbed one of the women and starts making out with her

out of nowhere. And then he just let her go and he's like, we're going to a strip club. I went to a fucking strip club with this guy. That's not my scene, but I was like,

fuck it, I'll go up. You know, we did it up. I used to work at this club when I was coming up called Joker's Wild in New Haven, Connecticut

I think yeah, I think that was a front. It was run by the mob. Yeah. Yeah, do you know about it? I've been that played there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's Pete's in the country. The guy who is running was a straight-up gangster Yeah, and one time I don't remember what happened. It was I think it was an audience member Mouthed off to him or something. He took off his shoe and beat the guy's face in with his shoe so splattering blood all over the place so he's got the heel of his shoe and he's smacking this guy in the face and there's fucking blood all over his collar and everything damn and the show went on the show kept going he had to take off the cops came he fucking jetted out of there i never got paid and then I tried to come back.

I came back like I was back there again in a few weeks. And I was like, hey, man, you still owe me money. And he gave me like a small percentage of the money, like 40, 50 percent of the money. And I go, well, where's the rest of it? He goes, you should be happy you got that. Isn't it funny that this is like the only career where that happens? I remember I did that gig once and my brother was doing a clerkship in new haven he's a lawyer and uh he brought the judge with him and i was like don't bring this classy woman to see me at joker's wild please please don't bring

her and it was of course it was just like me like dealing with hecklers the whole fucking animals in that place animals but i mean that pizza in new haven i think is the best pizza in the country like pepe's and and all those spots. Oh, they got great pizza there. It's next level pizza. New Haven's a weird spot, too, because Yale's there. I know. Well, that's Connecticut, though. But it doesn't seem to have any impact on the culture.

If you're around Harvard Square in Cambridge, it clearly influences. Harvard has influenced the culture. There's a lot of very brilliant people. There's a lot of bookstores, and it's like, people are smarter. Not New Haven. There's something about New Haven itself. It's like a gritty, fucking down and grimy city when it comes to, like, stand up and

the people that come. Because they come from all the surrounding areas, too. Well, it's Connecticut, right? Yeah. It's all of Connecticut. I mean, Bridgeport's one of the worst cities in the country. Yeah. I mean, have you been to Bridgeport, Connecticut?

One of my best friends lived there. It's fucking crazy. Forever. He just moved recently. Shout out to Tommy Jr. I did a gig there once, and I got chased off stage. Oh, Jesus. I got chased off.

I remember these guys met me in New York, and I was young, so I was like, man, oh, my God, the idea to make fucking whatever it was, like a grand on a Wednesday. I was like, oh, my God, of course. Yeah. So they come to see me. They're like, we want to scout you out first. So they saw me at Eastville Comedy Club on East 4th Street on a Saturday,

and I couldn't have had a better set. It was one of those where I'm like, when lightning strikes in that room, and they were like, well, if you did this well here, you'll do even better in Bridgeport. I'm like, that's not how it works, by the way. So I get there, and this one guy, they're like, well, this guy's the muscle. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that means. The muscle? I was like, all right how it works by the way that's so I get there in this one guy though I got well this guy's the muscle and I'm like I don't know what the fuck that means the muscle

I was like all right Hey muscle whatever and we're getting drunk and they're like we can't wait to have you there and they kept calling this guy the muscle And I'm like I don't know why he's called the muscle And then I do the gig in Bridgeport and we're having pizza before and there's a basketball game I'm watching basketball in the pizza shop and uh he's like, I was telling some story. And he goes, yeah, it's just like when I did two and a half years in the clink for selling Coke. And I was like, what does that have to do

with what I was talking about? He's like, I don't know. And I'm like, is he fucking with me? I can't tell if he's fucking with me. So I remember doing the gig and I'm kind of just doing okay. There's like a guy in the front row. He won't shut the fuck up.

It's one of those where I'm like, I've put him down every clever way possible. It was a beautiful venue too. It's called the Bijou Theater, which is like, they play like Casablanca in that place. This is where I'm doing comedy. You know, they put like old school movies in there and I'm just trying to survive. I'm like 25 minutes in, like putting this guy down. He keeps coming. I'm just like, I'm at a, I'm at a clever shit to say, like you're ruining the show. And finally I'm like, I'm at a clever shit to say. Like, you're ruining the show. And finally, I'm like, you fucking Neanderthal dumb fuck. Shut the fuck up. And then he stood up.

And I was like, that's the biggest man I've ever seen. He's like 6'6 and built like a linebacker. And I'm like, I'm going to get the shit kicked out of me. God damn it. So he starts rushing the stage. And I'm like, well, someone's going to stop him. No one stops him. He gets on stage.

I was like, fuck this shit. I run off stage. And I'm in the back of on stage. I was like, fuck this shit. I run off stage and I'm in the back of the room and people are booing. I just hear booing. I'm like, why are they fucking booing me? And then I lock the door to the green room. This woman runs in with me before I lock it and she's like, what are you doing? Like, you can't do that. I'm like, what do you want me to just get the shit kicked out of me? And she's like, you can't, that's very unprofessional. I'm like, unprofessional. Like there's no security here i'm not gonna like you know get my ass kicked and uh she's like fuck no you got to get back out there and i was like fuck you fuck this city and and they're booing so loud when i say that i'm holding

a cordless mic they hear everything i'm saying to her i sound like the biggest coward i am hated in bridgeport right now. They're booing the shit out of me. Eight minutes are the longest eight minutes of my life. He finally leaves. And I went back out and did the last 30 minutes to fucking silence. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Connecticut is rough, man. Because there's no hope in Connecticut. There's a thing. There's like really rich people. That should be their state motto. There is no hope because it's not a real state's like really rich people That should be their state motto There is no hope Because it's not a real state It's a highway

Between New York and Boston True That's what it is And the cities there Like Hartford Come on It's barely a city It's a few insurance buildings

And it's weird That downtown area Ain't pretty It's rough Chappelle bombed there That's how you know that Well that was like the infamous Yeah

That was like the infamous set When I saw that I go oh he's in Connecticut I tell everybody It's the worst fucking place i haven't done stand-up in connecticut in 15 years on purpose i do it every year because it's an easy drive from new york i'm sure i'll sell a lot of tickets there after what we just said about the people there agree with you they don't want to be there they're like i can't certain parts are good fairfield great crowds but as you said people bleed in from all sides. So you get good people, but you get people that just want to fuck.

They want blood. They're animals. They want blood. And also, they're not doing great, so they don't want you to do great. There's not a lot of hope there. There's not a lot going on. It's a tough state. It's not my favorite.

But then it's weird. But then you go to other places. I'll tell you this. Providence, Rhode Island, some of the best crowds. Fucking great. Some of the best crowds you'll ever see. Fucking great. Yeah, Rhode Island's great.

I love doing stand-up in Rhode Island. It's beautiful. It's small and it's a cool. It's a great place. Providence is cool. But I bombed harder in Rhode Island than I ever have in my life. Really? I did a Jack and Jill strip club in Woonsocket, Rhode Island.

I can't imagine why this didn't go well. Jack and Jill is, do you know what it is? What is it? It was a concept they tried for a while in the 80s. It was Adam Sandler's All the Strippers? He played both. It was a guy stripper and a girl stripper. So it was for couples.

So a male stripper would go out and strip and then a female stripper. And you can only imagine the quality of these people. Like they all looked like they had fetal alcohol syndrome. Oh my gosh. quality of these people like they all looked like they had fetal alcohol syndrome oh my god and the audience there's a lot of like portuguese like sailors and fishermen that live in that village yeah in this in this town so like half the people barely spoke english and there might have been 15 20 people in the audience wow and it's not bombing because it was total silence it was like it was almost like i was just doing stand-up in my apartment. It wasn't like real stand-up.

There was nothing going on. There was zero response. Totally. They were just waiting for me to bring up this next person who had a terrible life. The guy had really bad tattoos that he had covered up with bandanas. And you could see the shitty tattoo leaking out under the bandana. And I'll never forget, the girl had a tattoo on

her ass of a snake that looked like it was like tattooed like in prison you know like one of them like dot dot dot tattoo it was fucking horrible wow yeah that is yeah that's the worst bombing as good above as well the worst bombing i ever had i followed jim brewer one night and he was a tough follow and this was like three years in a comedy or really shouldn't As good as, well, the worst bombing I ever had, I followed Jim Brewer one night. He was a tough follow. He was a tough follow. And this was like three years into comedy. I really shouldn't have been headlining.

And we were both kind of in the same part of our career. But somehow or another, my manager weaseled it so that I was headlining. And so I did good every show except the last show Saturday night. He was on fire. Yeah. And it was, everything was bad. Everything was bad. I had just torn my ACL, so my knee was fucked up, so I couldn't move that good.

And I was dressed nice because my manager had convinced me, you should dress nice. So I'm dressed like I'm going out to a club. So I had like Cavaricci pants on and a nice shirt. I looked like such a douchebag. And I was terrified because I knew I was going to bomb. Because I just didn't know how to handle going on after someone who was really good back then. Because it didn't happen that often. And when someone would kill so hard. He had this bit about coming home drunk and running into his mother.

And it was so funny. And he just was feeling it. You know, he just caught that vibe. You know, sometimes guys are just in the fucking zone. And he was in the zone just crushing. And I just ate shit. He is like the total package where he could do impressions. It's like Shane where he can do voices and stuff, but then there's writing to defend it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's so physical. He's so funny looking, too. He's like a human cartoon. He is. And he's so likable. Yeah. He's like a human cartoon. He is. And he's so likable. Yeah. It's like everything is going great for him.

Yeah, I remember he had a story on Ari's This Is Not Happening that was so freaking funny. He's a great storyteller. He's good at everything. He's also a guy that got on Saturday Night Live and was like, fuck this. Fuck all. He talked to his wife about it. His wife's like, why don't you quit? He's like, quit Saturday Night Live? Really? And she was like, yeah, get out of this. Fuck all. He talked to his wife about it. His wife's like, why don't you quit? He's like, quit Saturday Night Live?

Really? And she was like, yeah, get out of there. Fuck this. That was the 90s. That's when you were like, oh, I'll get a movie deal out of it. That was such a launching pad in the 90s. But he walked away from all of it.

Like, on purpose. Not because he didn't have prospects or talent and not because people weren't interested in him. He's like, fuck that. I'm going to live in New Jersey. I don't give a shit. I just don't fucking care. I really don't fucking care.

I'm just going to do stand-up. And that's what he did. And he still does. He's still one of the best ever. A lot of great stand-ups don't get their shine on SNL, I feel like. Even Chris Rock's a great example. He was funny on SNL, but then when he left, that's when it's like, oh, that's Chris Rock.

Right. I feel like Colin Quinn's another one. He's so great at stand-up. So many great stand-ups. It's a hard format for a great stand-up, I feel like. It's a dead format. It's still alive, but it's not the same thing. To compare that to Belushi and

Aykroyd, it's not really Saturday Night Live. But you also never get appreciated until 20 years later, because everyone said that cast sucked, and I liked them a lot appreciated till like 20 years later Cuz like everyone said that cast sucked and I liked them a lot They were I was a kid watching that like said that cast At the time people always like well, they're not Phil Hartman and like whatever classes before. Yeah. Oh totally Yeah, when I was a kid, I remember the people being like but I was like, holy shit will Ferrell like I loved it I thought they were great. Well, it was an at one point in time, it was so much freer.

Like, the subject matter and the material that you could do is so, they could get wild. You know, Jane, you ignorant slut. You know, like, you think about some of the shit that they said when Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase were, like, word association. Like, you ever see that bit? Yeah. Oh, dude. But that's TV now.

I remember, I was trying to get a, you know, for now I remember I was trying to get a you know for this special I was trying to get a tonight show set cookin and if I told you the notes you would never It's because the set was approved by the booker wasn't his fault It's standards and practices where I was like first I've had a trans joke and they were like you can't do a trans joke and I Said well, it's pro trans. It's a very you know pro trans joke, and they were like you can't acknowledge them I was like that's more offensive than what I'm doing pro-trans it's a very you know pro-trans joke and they were like you can't acknowledge them i was like that's more offensive than what i'm doing you can't acknowledge them and then and then uh i got a note you can't say the word hot chick i didn't even know i said that word that's how

much i was like i said that you can't say hot chick i was like by the way there was a hitler joke in there i didn't get a note on that but hot chick is offensive apparently i don't know can i open this by the way this is bottom a Hitler joke in there. I didn't get a note on that. But hot chick is offensive, apparently. I don't know. Can I open this, by the way? Yeah, open it. I brought our whiskey here. This is me and Mark Norman's whiskey, Bodega Cat. We had some of this the other day. I love it.

I'm very happy with it. It's on bodegacatspirits.com if you want to get a bottle. It's very good. And this is, you guys developed it? Yeah. How did you do that? Well, this distillery- Cheers, brother.

Cheers. Thanks for having me again. This is fun. Thanks for being here. Been wanting to have you on for a while. I love it. Yeah, well, it was basically a whiskey. It's rye.

They make it in Indianapolis. He's based out of Houston, Chris Hart. And it's just a really good rye. We sampled like nine different ryes, and this was far and away our favorite. But I'll tell you, sampling nine ryes, like we're not – we don't know. You're not supposed to swallow it. We're just getting fucked up trying it. We're not classy enough to be like, oh, you spit it out.

That's how you sample it. We're just – Mark and I are just wasted, you know. But, yeah, this is the one we liked, and Bodega Cat just felt very New York to us. We tried to do Fat Cat originally because of the double meaning. You're like, oh, it's like upscale, classy, but also it's a fat cat. Who doesn't like a fat cat? They're fun. I like Bodega Cat.

It's a good name. It's a good name, and people are liking it. I'm pumped. I can't wait to get it served at the Comedy Cellar. That, to me, is like, oh, my God. Right, to see it on the shelf. Yeah, Liz, the manager of the cellar who just gives me endless shit, is like, we're going to serve it here.

I was like, wow, you're going to serve it here? She's like, it'll be our Manhattan old-fashioned. I was like, that's fucking exciting. That's nice. So I'm pumped. Yeah, sampling alcohol. You ever see how they do wine tasting? They have like a spittoon.

Yeah. They just spit it out. It just seems so fucking weird. It feels wasteful. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't feel right to do. No, it's kind of strange like you're just wishing around your mouth and spitting it out yeah i like getting wine drunk i feel like

like dudes will give wine a bad name sometimes but like wine is fun to get fucked up on you you're like silly and you know it's a different drunk it's a different drunk whiskey's a different drunk tequila is a different drunk is that your drink tequila well i've been drinking it lately because you don't feel as bad the next day yeah there's something about tequila that doesn't give you the same hangover for sure and you know burke kreischer who's a notorious drunk he's been wearing his whoop strap and he switched over to tequila and he sends me his like recovery from his whoop strap and it's like fucking 95 i'm like how are you what he goes i tied one on too and i'm like how is he says that it's bad.

If he says it's bad. I remember, actually, I opened for him in Hartford, Connecticut, like, probably a decade ago or so, maybe more. And it was, like, his weekend off, and he was still out drinking us. It was insane. I was like, I'm pretty drunk. And he was like, oh, I'm going to take the weekend off. He's still going through pitchers of beer, ordering Taco Bell for everybody. I was like, this guy fucking drinks.

He's an animal. He also put gay porn in my merch bag. I was selling T-shirts at the time to make extra money as a middle act. You sell T-shirts. And Bert put gay porno mags when they opened. And he was like, ha, ha. And I was like, I like this guy. That was all it took.

I was like, I like this guy. I was at the comedy store once. And I called Bert up. And he answers the took. I was like, I like this guy. I was at the comedy store once, and I called Bert up, and he answers the phone, and he's on a motorcycle in Vietnam. And I go, what are you doing? And he goes, I'm doing my Travel Channel show. I'm on a motorcycle in Vietnam. And I said, dude, you need to quit that fucking show.

I go, you really should quit, and you should really just be a stand-up. And he's like, oh, I don't know. It's such a good gig. I go know. It's like such a good gig. I go, dude, you're such a funny guy. You're so funny. And you think they were stripping that from him on this show? Yes. They were watering him down.

I mean, he was scared of, like, smoking pot on our show, on the podcasts. He couldn't smoke pot. He would have Jamie turn the camera away when he would smoke pot. Wow. Yeah. He was scared that the Travel Channel would find out he's smoking pot. Because the people that owned it were very religious. Like, Bourdain had a real problem with them, too.

Went on this, like, notorious rant against them when he left them. He kind of made them, too. He did make them, yeah. I mean, Bourdain is, like, how I live life on the road. I'm like, I will make Kalamazoo, Michigan great. Yeah. Like, his philosophy of just making every city count. I fucking love that.

Oh, he loved to travel and to go to these little small dives and talk to the owner and see how they made the fish and chips. And he loved it. Yeah. He was so cool. And his narratives, like his narration, his monologues were so fantastic. He's a great writer. He was such a good writer and a great orator, too. So he was great at telling stories and his real love for what these people are doing

and these cultures and these communities. And he would just go out and like, hey, show me. Take me around. I loved it. It was amazing. He could kick it with Michelin chefs. He could kick it with a street chef. I loved that.

And I loved that every once in a while he would be like, hey, man, Detroit's fucked chef. I love that. And I love that he, every once in a while, he would be like, hey man, Detroit's fucked up. This is America. We gotta, like I like that he would kind of take a stand every once in a while too.

He was just, he was just cool. He was a very moral and ethical guy. Yeah. He was a tough one. Yeah. He died.

I was fucked up for a while. You guys were close. He's just like, he's just like a guy that I was so excited that he was my friend. Yeah. You know, like when I first met him, I said, my wife says you're my boyfriend. And he was like, okay. It was like, oh my God, fuck.

You're like, am I blowing it with Bourdain this time? I was like, no, don't fuck this up. The only thing that saved me, I think, was that I met him at a UFC, and he was a giant UFC fan. And this was actually before he had gotten into jiu-jitsu. His wife was into jiu-jitsu, and then he started getting into the UFC, and then he started coming to the shows. And then he started coming to my stand-up, and then we started hanging out,

and then went to dinner with him a bunch of times. And going to dinner with Bourdain was fucking amazing. That's the dream. That's like the dream dinner guy he was like showing up at a rock show with Mick Jagger it's like you were with Bourdain the chefs would all come out and they would you know they would insist on like just like off the menu let us cook for you and wow yeah it was incredible I found a lot of restaurants through his show I remember I would go to a place in sf called swan oyster depot yeah and i was like oh bourdain's and like they were like yeah he all the locals were furious because like we used to be able to come here now there's a line down the block you know but yeah he also was like man he's helping businesses too it's pretty cool yeah the

locals have to let it go yeah that's part of the great food other people found out about it yeah he just had this fucking passion for things I used to be able to text him and say like hey, I'm going to Tokyo. Where should I eat? It was the best he would tell you like you got to go to this sushi place You gotta go this place and he would like give you a detailed rundown of all the places to go to That is that's an amazing friend to have I have an old phone that I have. I change my number all the time. And I keep this number because I have text messages from him. Wow.

And just like I'm not getting rid of that number. I'm just going to keep that number just for that. Just to go over the text messages and see pictures and shit he would send me. Damn, I'm sorry. You know, there's a lot of photos of him and stuff around the studio to remind me but yeah it sucks when you think you could have helped that's what sucks the most you know when a friend takes their own life and you're like god damn it i wish i was there yeah i think if i was there i could have helped yeah there's usually nothing you could do though there's usually nothing and you can't

blame yourself for that shit well he was in a fucking terrible relationship. And it was also, that motherfucker would go hard. We did this show once. I did his show. We went hunting in Montana. We went pheasant hunting. And he shot a bird. And we cooked it. And we cooked a bunch of other birds that these guys had cooked.

And we all just got drunk around a campfire. It was fucking legendary. But we were vaping. And he kept hitting off the vape pen. And it was pretty obvious. He wasn't trying to get fucked up. He was trying to get obliterated. And it was like bottles of whiskey. Let's keep going.

What the fuck? Where's the whiskey? What do we got? He just wanted to keep going. Everybody else was obliterated and he's still throwing him down like he went harder than anybody that i've ever seen once you're not enjoying the drug you're consuming and you're just trying to get fucking yeah out of the world it was angst there was a in uns there was a fucking fire burning that he couldn't put out no matter how much he poured on it it was

always there damn yeah and you know you know you i you don't get to know little pieces of the tapestry. You don't get to see the overall terrain with a guy like that. You don't know how much trouble really is in that mind. Because he seemed like an old school guy in a sense who didn't overshare either. No. I mean, he would talk to you about stuff. He would talk to you about stuff. But it just was, you know, it's hard.

And it's also hard for him to open up around people because he was the man, you know, and everybody loved him. And, like, he was like you were aware that you were around him when you were around him. It was kind of like everybody was, like, on their best behavior. It was like, you know, just he was a legendary cultural figure i saw him at a knicks game once and i was i used to have a show on the knicks network and we were so we were in like the special area and larry johnson who was one of my favorite players growing up i just watched lj see anthony bourdain to go oh my god mr bourdain i was like oh my god lj you know it's like all those things at once where you're like holy shit it's crazy that he had that impact where like everywhere he went i'm watching like

my favorite athletes growing up be starstruck well there's a thing about authenticity that comes through and especially authenticity when the guys created something like his narratives like his writing and his the way he would love places like you you like fuck that guy was cool yeah you just you know you wanted to be around him he was like as legit a person as i've ever met like that what you wanted him to be like god i hope he's like this that's who he was yeah but fucking tortured i think that comes it's like we're talking about like fucked up people make great art sometimes i mean sometimes they're not pedophiles sometimes they're just you know just suicidal drunks they're dark but also like you know there's a great leonard cohen quote where he was being interviewed you know one of the most some most

one of the most depressing lyricists of all time and someone said do you need to be depressed to create good stuff and he said no it's in spite of that that you create this stuff and that's and that's important to remember too i think people people get, they romanticize the, you know, the miserable poet in a sense. And it's like, no man, that's like, it's like the starving artist. You're better nourished. Right, right, right.

But there's something about the fear that comes with being starving that it gives you this ambition to get, just to move, just to do things. And sometimes people don't have that. And one of the things that happens to the starving artists when they get successful, they're not starving anymore and they don't want to move anymore because now people don't have that and one of the things that happens to the starving artists when they get successful they're not starving anymore they don't want to move anymore because now they don't have to they don't have to go do something so sometimes they just hole up

that gets really dark yeah because then they've had they got this thing now which they were always trying to achieve and it didn't help at all right and in fact it alienated people because now it makes you weird and now when you go out everybody wants to talk to you and you're like Oh So now you're more fucked up than you were before you were successful But you're you're right that Bourdain kept that like every man quality Yeah, I felt he could talk to everyone and so often when people become that successful They lose their connection to reality and they just surround themselves with the s-men

Oh, yeah, and he never lost that it seemed. Yeah, no, I don't think he did. You know, he, he could talk to, but he genuinely wanted to hear from everybody too. It wasn't just that he wanted to talk to them. He wanted to hear from them. You know, he wanted to like, he was absorbing and that was part of the brilliance of the way he would write those narrations. Those monologues is that he, you know, had like seen the world through their eyes, whether he was in Libya or whether he was in, you know, fucking Greece. Like everywhere he went, he had this like, this, this, this, he absorbed their culture and was like, wanted to give it life. Yeah.

Yeah, it was a huge loss. Yeah. It was a bummer, man. Heavy, heavy fucking bummer. You know, and he was one of those guys it's just like he would talk to other famous people i remember talking to him about this like you know that he would talk to guys that had made it and guys that were his heroes and he was like does it does it ever get better and you know most of them were like no no yeah this is it this is it and

does what get better like Life. Just life? Yeah. I think one of the things that we have as comics that a lot of artists don't have is we have a community. We have a group that we get together and we do the thing together. You know, like last night I was saying at the show, we had Hans Kim, Brian Simpson, David Lucas, Eddie Bravo, Tony Hinchcliffe, Shane Gillis, Ari Shafir, and me. And we had the fucking best time. We were all hammered, right? Because we did the podcast.

We all got blacked out drunk. And then we went and did Kill Tony that night. And then the next night we all did stand-up together. And it was fucking magic. And I was like like that is everything because it's so hard sometimes to relate to other people like what what you do you know like so how do you come up with your jokes like you know right do stuff i think of things but it's just like a an instant connection with comics i mean like i've never met you you're easy to talk to and it's

you know it's it's the comic thing yes i know you're also, you know, you've done a lot of interviews in your day, you know, to do this, but also there's a thing past that where you're like, there is a comic connection where like, you're in the green room. You don't know the guy opening for you. He sits down. It's not weird usually. Right. It's like, Hey, what's up? Yeah. It's like, people know how to be. Yeah, where'd you start? Where are you from? You know, what's your opening club? Where'd you go? I mean, the Comedy Cellar, I remember like,

at first I was so nervous to work there because I had so much reverence for that club as a young New York comic. I wouldn't go there before I worked there. I was too nervous. I had too much respect for the club. And then when I started working there, you know, she books me on these like 11. 30 shows every night and then i'm going

on at 1 a.m every night and you're like oh shit my lifestyle's really changing and then i look around i'm like oh i get to i get to watch david tell every night because i'm on the late show so you're like holy shit and then you kind of become you know friendly with those guys and you kind of start to i mean i learned more from watching Dave Vettel than anything in comedy. Like you can't learn more than, to me he's the best comic I've ever seen. He's one of the greatest of all time. Yeah. Unquestionably.

And he's so fucking funny. Like it's like the shortest swing you'll ever see. It's like when you're watching each show and you're like, he's always, he can't not get on base. Right. I mean, he was so funny and he would like, I opened for him a bunch, you know, on the road and you just learn so much from watching

how this guy conducts himself. He grabs the paper, he's reading the paper, he's making local references, he's riffing on the crowd. He gets bored on stage, so he brings me on and then I'm fucking like, I have to riff with you? I have to like, know it's it's terrifying but he i remember we're driving back from a gig once in terrytown new york we did uh that musical and then we're driving back and he was like man i fucking suck i fucking suck and i was like we

all think you're great and he said well i'm better than you guys and uh i mean he just never didn't make me laugh and he was so, he's such a great comedian. I was just, I was always like, I'm like, I'm not wasting a moment soaking this up. I know how lucky I am to be near Dave Attell. Yeah. He's also one of those guys that is the worst self-promoter of all time. He doesn't promote at all. Like, he's just, as far as, like, as good as he is as a comic, like, he's so self-deprecating and so, like, not interested in promoting himself.

He's so focused on just doing stand-up. And Quietly is the best comic alive. He's funny concentrate. Yeah. It's like, unfortunately, a lot of the wrong people have self-esteem in this world. And Dave is proof of that. Because I'll see the worst comic I've ever fucking seen come off stage and be like follow that and I'm like that was bad and then you see Dave come off after murdering and it's all new shit yeah and

and he's like oh I'm a fucking hack and I'm like dude you're the best I've ever seen but don't you think like that is important that that disdain for your work it's like if anybody a bit too, a little bit too much. Yeah. You have to have a hint. If you don't have a hint of self-loathing, then you're, then you're just like walking around all day. Like I'm fucking awesome. Like, that's not funny. That's not good. You know? But, uh, if you're, yeah, if you have a little bit of like, I suck and here's the thing, if you're doing new material all the time, you're going to feel that way. Yeah. Because if you're, if you're going up and killing all the time, you're going to feel that way. Yeah. Because if you're going up and killing all the time,

you're just playing the hits. If you're going up and kind of having up and down sets, that means you're taking some risks and then you're going to get off and be like, this isn't as good as my old stuff. I fucking suck. Right, which is really great about producing a special is because once that special's done, start from scratch.

Oh, don't I know it. Now you're a person who's people coming to see and you have zero weapons and you're like shit that's what it feels like weapons if you're going in a battle and you're like i have a twig right now for battle and now and the crowd they all have like machetes and shit and you're like fuck i'm gonna get killed and then uh and then as time goes on you're like sharpening this twig now it's like all of a sudden it's like a bow and arrow you're like it's getting better and better. And, you know, by the time you shoot a special, hopefully it's like a fucking Uzi or something.

What is your writing process like? Do you sit in front of a computer? Yeah. I walk. I take walks. I take notes all day. Sometimes I do voice memos. I take notes on my phone.

I have Word documents that are like every week that are like, you know, jokes from this month, this year. And when I'm writing a new hour, I revisit those documents. And they're in my email because I'm always, I back up and I'm still scared I'm going to lose them. Right. And then I have like, you know, I have the classic comedy, like little notebooks, like fit in the back pocket, this shit. I used to do that, but now I put everything on my phone. I still have notebooks, but in my notebooks, it's never new stuff. It just rewrite the things so that I know what I'm going to say.

Memorization. Yeah. It's just, I look like a crazy person. It's like, all work, no play. It makes Johnny a bolt of dull boy. That's like all day. I just write out all the stuff. So the Joe books are useless.

If anybody, you're looking for good ideas, they're not. Those are just, it's just shit. They're notes. I'm just writing out my stuff. And then also I'll take index cards. Like if I have a really big show, like if Chappelle and I are doing an arena, I'll sit down and I'll write out bulletin points on all these index cards and I'll lay them out on the coffee table in the green room.

So I'll get there an hour early. So that way I have zero thought about, like about whether or not I know exactly where everything goes and then I could just be kind of free with it. By the way, do you realize how cool a sentence that just was? When Chappelle and I do an arena. That's one of the coolest sentences ever said. You know, we just roll into the fucking arenas, dude. Arenas are weird.

They're really weird. They're weird, but they're fun as shit, man. Especially when you do them in the round. They're really wild. Damn. Because when you do them in the round they're really wild damn because when you do them in a round you're you're surrounded by people so it's like a really good seat for everyone in the house you know it kind of sucks if you're up at the top but then there's these giant fucking screens everywhere you get to see it do you do you like arenas i love them do you prefer it to like big theaters no i don't prefer anything i like clubs more than anything i like doing the vulcan

like you're gonna do it with me tonight 270 people that's the perfect amount of people it's perfect and it's fucking dirty it's on sixth street and everyone's hammered and and we sell that place out just word of mouth no there's no advertising it's every tuesday and wednesday we're there so it's always packed and that's where you workshop yeah yeah that's where we fuck around and that's where shane was there last night and you know norman's where you are yeah Yeah, and that's where we fuck around and that's where Shane was there last night And you know Norman's done it a bunch of times and Ari And it's like Brian Simpson and David Lucas and those guys just moved here to Austin too And we got a great crew that lives here in Austin

I mean Tim Dillon's here Tom Segura Christina does Tim live here full-time now Tim has a house here And he has a house in Beverly Hills, but he shits all over Austin every time he's here. It's like, it's the worst city. Joe Rogan, I'm thinking of suing him. You know, it's like, he came early on and I was supposed to have this one club. I bought a club. And in the process of going through all the stuff with the architect, the architect was like, hey, do you know that these guys are noncompliant on a serious environmental order? And I'm like, what?

And so it turned out that this road that led up to the club, there's a driveway to get down to the parking lot and the driveway was above a creek. And they were like, all the water that rushes down here is going to catch all the stuff that leaks off of people's cars

like all the oil and shit it's going to go right in the creek so you have to build a 1.2 million biocontainment pond at the base of this parking lot and even that doesn't guarantee you're not going to get some seepage into the creek damn and i was like there's not a fucking chance in hell there's going to be an article written joe roan's killing fish in the river with his shitty jokes. I'm like, oh, no. I could see, because I would be mad. I care about lakes and creeks and rivers, and I like fishing. I'm like, fuck this.

I'm not doing this. So we had to bail out of that spot, and then we got this other spot. See, this other spot is in a way better place anyway. What's it called, the club? It's called the Comedy Mothership.'s cool it's dope when's it gonna open probably somewhere around january it looks like we were supposed to get the keys in december but we changed a few things that are going to tack on some time but most of the hard work is already done and you get to see the bones of the club you get to see the structure what it's going to look

like i'll take you over there i can't wait to see the structure, what it's going to look like. I'll take you over there. I can't wait to see it. It's fucking wild. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's really cool. We're excited. And it's also exciting to be able to do something where you're like, you know, there's no real, there's no executives and upper management and there's no corporate.

There's just me. Yeah. So it's just like fun. And it's just like, I want it to be like a haven for standup. Like all your phone phones go in the bags everyone has a yonder bag like oh wow you're doing it up right yeah and we're just letting everybody know like this is for fun like this is where we're going to develop comedy and this is going to be a place that it's in the middle of the country so it's a nice hub you can

go to anywhere you want to go from there so if you want to if you got gigs somewhere on a friday and saturday night you want to come into austin and do wednesday thursday bam we got you that's pretty cool yeah we're excited that's exciting man yeah there's like a lot of clubs just don't do it right i mean there's the classics obviously like in new york thank god for the cellar but there's a lot of clubs where you're like man it's just so basic just give us a fucking a mic an amp low ceilings yep and when you do the clubs that the food is too good I'm always a little annoyed right Well, I don't like food during the show. I don't want to smell a fucking ribeye when I'm mid punchline I don't want to I'm like is that a chimichurri sauce cool. I can't focus on my act

Yeah, any club that doesn't put the comic first is like it's bound to fail. I played so many fucking bad clubs I'm sure you did too. I mean it's bound to fail. I played so many fucking bad clubs. I'm sure you did, too. I mean, it's like some of those clubs, you know, it's always got a Z in the title or something. Like a strip club, you know? Yeah. Or comedy with a K. It's the comedy corner. We did bonkers with a Z. That was fucking rough.

That was a bad one. So many. Oh, God. I remember I did one club in Toledo that's no longer here. It was called Laughs Inc. with two Fs. so many oh god i think i remember i did one club in toledo that's no longer here it's called laughs inc with two f's uh and i remember getting to the airport and my manager at the time text me did you cash your check yet i said of course not i'm at the airport and he goes cash it immediately and i was like what do you mean he goes the club just closed i'm like two hours ago he goes yeah it went

under i was literally the last comic to set on stage there and uh i text the driver who at the airport i was like hey man i'm so sorry about the club and he was what are you talking about i'm like i'm not fucking breaking this to this dude so i was like shit all right that's gone you know all those comics in the calendar ain't coming it happened a lot a lot of those i remember i did a club in ac and not a good weekend to begin with i'm at atlantic city it's a fucking horrible place. It's, it's fun for like a night because of that boardwalk. It's like, it can be okay, but it's, it's sad Vegas and Vegas. Ain't that upbeat to begin with after a couple of nights,

but you know, a couple of nights in Vegas is fun. Yeah. At least Vegas people think they're going to have a good time when they get there. Atlantic city. They're like, okay, let's just go. The way people leave Vegas is the way they enter Atlantic City. But yeah, I mean, look, Reno is pretty sad too. I mean, whatever. But AC was like fucking, you know. And I remember I'm doing a gig. It's like a three headliner show.

We keep switching who's early on in my career. And one of the guys is like a degenerate gambler. One of the comics, he keeps losing money on baseball. He's like, ah, I can't catch a fucking break. That's all day in the green room. I'm making me laugh my ass off. But then on top of that, we all get stiffed on the bill. I was like, oh, man.

It wasn't like a good weekend to begin with. I remember walking into the hotel and like stomping a cockroach. I'm like, it's going to be a long fucking week, you know? But those are the great ones when you look back. Yeah. When yeah you look back those are the ones that give you the great feelings and when you're in a nice place you appreciate it now i'd for sure yeah i remember my friend adam showed up he's a degenerate gambler you ever have that friend who's like such a degenerate gambler he's just at the casino when you're there yeah well he's like i'm like i didn't tell him i was here he's just like hey man i was like you're here he's like. I thought we'd make a weekend out of him. I'm like, fuck.

I remember rolling out of the show and just passing him at a poker table, shit face, just poking at people going, you fucking fish. He's winning a lot of money. He's just trolling people. He's a drunk. I was like, I got Adam all week, and I got stiffed. When I first came to New York in like 92, I played pool a lot. And so I hung out mostly in pool halls. So I would go to the pool hall during the day.

I'd work out, go to the pool hall, go to the comedy club at night, and then go back to the pool hall, stay at the pool hall until 4 o'clock in the morning. Wow. That was my everyday thing. And I was hanging out with all degenerate gamblers. So it was the first time in my life that I was around like these kind of people that would bet on rainwater coming down a window pane. I'm not lying. I saw that. They'd bet on everything. They'd bet on, they'd play cards, they'd play dice, they'd play everything. And pool, of course, everybody was gambling on pool. And I just, I'd never been around people that their whole life revolved around chance yeah it was so

important to them it was like to get that little rush the fucking nine ball goes in yes like they live for that they they develop this sort of like community where everybody fed off of the thrills of like making or losing all your money I remember Artie Lang used to have that line where he'd say you want to feel real rush but a bet $1,000 in the Giants when you have 500 in your bank account. I was like, fuck, that sums it up right there. I mean, yeah, I remember Adam, my friend, texting once.

He's like, the fucking Minnesota Lynx loss. I'm like, dude, you're betting on the WNBA? Get your shit together. Get your fucking shit together. And you're probably doing it through bookies, right? Oh, yeah. And now that they can do it online, it's pretty wild. Like now it's just kind of opened up for the world.

You could bet on most things. And like with fights, you can bet on whether or not it happens in a round, a round and a half, decision. You can bet on a draw, which is a crazy bet. But you love it, so you don't feel the urge to ever bet on UFC, right? I used to bet on UFC. Really? Even when I was commentating,

I bet on it early on. And I'm like, this is probably not legal. I don't know if I'm in a lot. You're giving it away. You're like, fuck, he's losing. Well, there was some lines that were so bad that I had to gamble on them. So my business partner for Onnit, Aubrey,

he would come to a lot of the fights and I would give him, he would gamble. So when I stopped gambling, I would just say bet. And we were at like 84% success rate. It was so crazy because I was always, I was talking, there was these guys that were coming from Japan and the matchmakers might've known about them, but the bookmakers didn't. So they, they had lines like totally off. Like they had guys who were like even money that were a fucking steal. And so there was, there was certain fights I would go,

I don't know about that one. I want to, but that one bet the fucking house on the Brazilian guy. Wow. And we would do this and we, it was a crazy success rate. It was like above, it was somewhere in the range of 84,

85%. Wow. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. But I, I'm sure the lines are better now, but every now and then the lines are fucked every now But every now and then, the lines are fucked.

Every now and then, I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. Because to understand fighting and to understand the lines, you've got to watch this guy's whole fucking career. You've got to watch 10, 15 fights. You've got to watch him fight against wrestlers, fight against strikers. What happens when he gets tired? What happens if he gets into the third round? Does he quit if he starts getting

dumped some some guys are very good as the hammer but not so good as the nail right they don't some guys don't bounce back they are just front runners and if they front run they can steam or roll over everybody but as soon as a fight gets rough their confidence shatters and they fall off and so you got to know like what what what kind of scenarios this guy's been in and so it takes a like a lot of information and you have that information because you're a student of it that's interesting i mean yeah i never thought of it i mean i don't know fighting in detail like you do obviously i know the sport i really follow heavily is is basketball a little bit of football baseball you know but uh basketball if friends ask me to gamble i'm like i don't want to be told what to

do with your money. I can enjoy it without that. I can watch two random teams and I love the game so I can enjoy it. But you have those friends who are like, just help me out. I'm like, I'm nervous taking your money and telling you what to do. But I do have a decent success rate with it. What's your success rate about? I mean, I'd say like 70, 60, 70 percent, which is not bad. If you were a gambler.

But I don't want to ever – I don't want to give my money to chance. I'll do like $5 or $10 on FanDuel every once in a while because it's just fun. But I don't do it for money. I don't like the idea of like taking money that I worked for and then being like, maybe. I don't like that. No. And for it to be something that really affects you it's got to be a lot yeah you know so once you start making like

five ten grand a weekend and then you put a grand on a game you're like oh and then you're like well that was exciting a little bit what about 2500 you know and then you lose a couple now you're down five and you're only making five this weekend. You're like, oh Jesus Christ. What am I doing? Yeah. If I'm at a casino, I'll do low stakes, blackjack. And I just tell myself, I'm okay losing this amount of money. I just go in with that mentality. Yeah. But you just lose it. Unless you're good at it. I'm not good at gambling. I'm terrible. I went to Vegas. I was with Whitney Cummings. I went with my wife, and Whitney was doing a gig.

So I went to a private gig with Drew. No, not. Who the fuck was it? David. That's right. Dana Carvey and Whitney Cummings were doing a gig in this lady's house. Yeah. They did a gig in this woman's house.

It's you, Dana, and Whitney. I was just there with Whitney. So I went on just to introduce Whitney. Because I go, do you want me to bring you up? And she's like, that'd be hilarious. So I just brought her up at this lady's house. Like, I wasn't even supposed to be there. Wow.

So I introduce her. And then she goes and does. And, you know, it was such a fucked up situation. Like, she wanted him just doing crowd work. She was just, like, fucking around with these people. And then we went and gambled. That's probably what they wanted though that's probably the show they were just happy to see whitney and happy to see dana carvey in their house you know in the living room with all their friends at this weird party i did a gig like that once

with my friend rachel feinstein in this and ray allen in an orthodox jewish home in montclair new jersey guy was like worth a billion dollars. 30-something year old guy. Holy shit, man. Like one of the worst gigs of my life. Horrible. I'm such trash. I was like, they were like, take whatever liquor you want. So I just took like a duffel bag.

I'm just like dumping liquor. And Rachel was like, you're fucking garbage. You're a garbage human being. I was like, well, we hit the bomb for these people. I may as well raid their liquor. I'm taking like 24-year-old scotch. I'm like, this is great. And then as we're leaving, she's like, can I have a bottle? I was like, no hit the bomb for these people i may as well raid their liquor i'm taking like 24 year old scotch i'm like this is great and then as we're leaving she's like can i have a bottle i was like no you judged me for this and i gave her a bottle but uh terrible gig was the gig did they have restrictions on what you could talk about no they just were fucking like they

were like in this bubble you know those types of people where they're like they don't go out for entertainment so there's like a magician there he's just like handing out like he's doing tricks i'm like dude it's not we're we don't get it whatever so then we're doing the gig we're all bombing it's terrible they were nice enough but one guy cornered us and they were like let him sing to you so he's singing hebrew songs to us i'm like this guy's got a terrible voice no one's told him because they live in a bubble so he's like two inches from my face just singing and i i'm trying so hard to keep a straight face, but I'm just laughing.

I can't stop laughing. And I turn to Rachel, who's trying to avoid eye contact with me, because she knows if she sees me, she's going to break out. She sees it. We're just laughing at these people, because we can't help it.

They just tell me he's a great singer, because they're in a bubble, and they don't know what good sound sounds like. And they're super rich. Yeah. I mean, they were pouring. They were like, do you want some fruity pebbles with goat milk? And I'm like, sure. You know?

It's fantastic. It's great. Goat milk. It's like very high-end milk, I guess. And I was like, all right. High-end milk? I'll try anything once, you know? As you get that rich, you start looking for high-end regular products.

Yeah. Raw goat milk. It was pretty good. But I'm also like, you know, I don't know products yeah raw goat milk it was it was pretty good but i'm also like you know i don't know if it was good it was just good that i wasn't performing for them anymore you know it was like a tough crowd yeah i'm glad i don't have to do those gigs but those are the kind of gigs that you remember when you're later later in life and things are going well oh we were laughing the whole ride back. It was one of those. Yeah. Those are the good ones. Those are fun.

My friend Steve Rinell always says there's two kinds of fun. There's fun that you have while you're having it that you never remember afterwards, like roller coasters are fun. Yeah. And nobody ever talks about roller coasters, like six months later. Right. But then you have horrible experiences, and six months later, they're the best stories. And you can sit around and laugh. That's comedy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the jokes. The jokes come from the bad things. Yeah you can sit around and laugh. That's comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the jokes. The jokes come from the bad things. Yeah. The bad things that are now. No one wants to hear like, I did a great thing this time. Who gives a shit? Yeah.

I want to hear about you falling flat on your face. Exactly. And losing two teeth. That's funny. That's the funny story. Exactly. That's like the stories that come from bad experiences. Yeah.

Oh, dude. I remember whenever something bad happens to me, I'm like, it be a bit and that's like it provides comfort I mean it really is like nice when like something bad happens like I'll get five minutes out of this yeah that's why you like sometimes when I need a new hour I'm like I'll live recklessly for a few months you know my friend Stavros did a whole thing about he's like my therapist is on vacation for all of August I'm about to make some toxic fucking life choices i was like yeah i feel the same way you know when you write do you write in essay form do you write in joke form like how do you write i'll try to do like

i'll write long form and then i'll try to make it funny i'm like where's i mean i i fall ass that's why i do long sets i fall ass backwards into a lot of jokes where i'm like oh i guess that's the punch line like a lot of it's like i don't like, oh, I guess that's the punchline. A lot of it's like I don't realize it all the time. That's the great thing about comedy is the crowd is a part of the editing, which I love. So I'm like, well, the longer and more sets I get, the better chance I'll have. I always felt like, well, I'm not the funniest guy, so I got to work my fucking ass off if I want to have a career at this. And I do a lot of jokes.

So it's like you got gotta just throw shit at the wall and and see what what sticks it's the only way this it's the only art form that i think exists where it's a cooperative venture yeah with you in the audience and i love that about it it's there's something cool about that like everything else like you're like this is good it's done yeah i mean i guess some movies focus test but like at that point it's almost dangerous yeah that's not what that that's not what that art is you know some people don't do it that way which is interesting to me like Cosby would just write out a monologue and he didn't perform in front of anybody and then he would go and do it on stage yeah I got

he didn't play by the rules you could say i knew you were going somewhere i saw your eyes rolled to the left carlin would do that too he would develop a monologue but he was more of a monologuist it's funny like carlin's style wouldn't have been embraced by like brooklyn hipsters they would have been like no you got to act like you just thought of it right carlin was like but i'm gonna but i'm gonna-da. And they would have been like, this is so prepared, whereas I think it's cool as fuck that he put that much work into it.

Yeah, that Brooklyn hipster thing, that's a trap. It's good to do everything. Yeah. It's a trap. Cross training. But yeah,

it's good to, like, I want to hit every city I can because I'm like, oh, the jokes work here, they didn't work here as well, let's tweak this.

But yeah, it is a trap. If you only play. But yeah, it is a trap. If you only play one place, it's always a trap. Yeah. Yeah. There's people that get captive by their community. And then when they do the road, they're fucked. Yeah.

Because they have local references and they do like New York style comedy or Boston style comedy. And then they go on the road and they're doomed. But in that one city, dude. Yeah. You don't want to follow that guy. Oh my God god you never want to follow like a old school Boston headliner in Boston so true you're dead oh I had I had a great Boston guy opening for me once on New

Year's he's so funny this guy Dan Bolger and like holy shit that I have to work I was like this dude is putting he's he's great I mean it was just one of those where i'm like he's witty he's killing and he's low energy so he's earning it it's like really like a fucking hard follow and uh it was on new year's so i'm like dude i wanted to fucking relax you're making me have to step my shit up but every time i do new year's i say i'm never doing new year's again yeah it's just too much of a thing like everybody's just so excited to be at New Year's. It's like they're barely paying attention to the comedy. They can't wait for the 12, 11, 10, 9. Yay!

They're waiting for that moment where they can fucking like make the noisemakers go off and let the balloons loose. Like, it's like... Any event is bound to disappoint. I mean, it's like anything you do on new year's is disappointing that's why you may as well just stay in and do what you know will be good yeah i just ignore it yeah it's just a day it's a stupid fucking tradition we have of deciding any holiday is is dangerous for comedy because valentine's day i'm like oh so i'm gonna have to

do not do breakup material they're like you know like i have to like placate these fucking couples you know halloween i'm like oh cool there's a guy in a priest outfit let me try to avoid a pedophile joke psych i'm doing all pedophile jokes you know like how can you like i i hate the costumes on halloween but i also am kind of weirdly excited for them well it's fun because it's just you know people are being silly yeah they've dropped a little bit of pretense at least. At least they've come out with a little bit of fun. Yeah. I kind of,

I kind of hate the expectation of something that isn't the show. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Like if it's, if it's the show and they're like, I want to go see a show I think will be good. Great. But if it's like,

it's fucking, you know, it's Thanksgiving night. That's a tough one too. That's like families it's fucking, you know, it's Thanksgiving night. That's a tough one, too. That's like families and stuff. Yeah. Geez, I remember doing Thanksgiving in St. Louis. That's a fucking, sounds like a David Foster Wallace book or something, you know.

But I don't know. It was fucking terrible. It was a terrible gig. It was a lot of terrible gigs. What club did you start at? I started at the Comic Strip in New York City. What year? I mean, I started at the comic strip in New York City. What year? I started at 18.

That's the first place I went up, is the comic strip. I did the class there. How old are you now? I just turned 36 yesterday. 18 years in? Yeah. That's a good time. I wasn't really in, though, those first couple years.

You don't really know what you're doing. When you're 18, you're not really into anything. No. I was like, I get to drink for free here. They're not carding me. They don't know I'm 18. So I was like, I get free alcohol. I'm fucking in.

My parents were like, we feel like you're doing this for the wrong reasons. I'm like, you nailed it. 100% I'm doing this for the wrong reasons. What did they think were the right reasons? I don't know. They were terrified that I was doing this for the wrong reasons. What did they think were the right reasons? I don't know. They were terrified that I was doing this. And then, you know, the comic strip was great to me though at first. And then after a certain, it got to a point where it was like, you can't keep going up where you started. They'll always look at you as that.

Yeah. They always think of you as a beginner. So that was pretty tough because I was going up there for so long and they really just, the nepotism at that club was pretty tough because I was going up there for so long and they really just the nepotism at that club was pretty painful like I remember doing late night there every night uh and they would just let like we'd be hanging out for three hours to go on and they would let some dude who had a famous person's last name cut you and I'm like dude they just walked in five minutes ago and they weren't good they were just they were at our level you know or worse but like that was so then that was a tough part is every person that would go on before you would walk people because it was like three hours into the show so i remember my audition there you draw numbers for your audition and uh i got six out of six and i was like fuck there's gonna be no one

left 80 people in the crowd remained and i'm like please just don't be that bad that you walk people and this guy had a fucking nervous breakdown right before me he was number five everyone's still there this guy is a full-on like meltdown he's like what am i doing up here i can't do this and the crowd's like what the fuck is happening so he just starts having like a full-on panic attack and i shit you not like 60 out of the 70 people walked out and i'm like i've been waiting for this shot for like a year god damn it dude and i'm like dude just there's one table left play to that one table and i went up and they passed me because they were like the owner at the time richie who just passed away was like uh you didn't buckle so i'll give it to you

and i was like all right and uh and then I was at the club for fucking years. And they just didn't, they like to haze you, which I kind of look back and I respect. Like, they like to fuck with you a little bit, which is like, yeah, maybe a little bit of that's lost in today's comedy. Where, like, it does build a little character to a degree. But they would do it to a point where I was like, there's no reason to this. You're just fucking with me at this point. You know, like I remember I did the audition because that was the audition to do like the late night there. And then I did the audition to do the regular show. And they just fucking they do an audition.

I kill. And they were like, yeah, I've seen some of those jokes. I don't want to pass you. And the crowd was like booing. They would do like an American Idol set up. So they would just like trash you. Like they had the one guy. He's like, yeah, I've seen some of those jokes. I don't want to pass you. And the crowd was like booing. They would do like an American Idol setup. So they would just like trash you. Like they had the one guy who's like, I'm the Simon. He was the booker at the time.

And he just trashed me. And the crowd was like, you're an asshole. He killed. And they were like, if you come back next week and do new. Next week? I'm like, all right. New material. All right.

So I come back the next week. And I did a new set. And they finally passed me. But it was one of the things I'm like, man, I fucking, I got to get out of here. So that's when I started doing like Caroline's and you can't, you can't work where you started. No, they don't. I didn't get any respect in Boston until I came back. Isn't that weird?

Yeah. Well, that's normal. They remember when you were fucking terrible. I know. They remember you bombing and being an open miker and fucking just sucking yeah and then you come back i don't shine shoes no more yeah got that little fucking ego now and you're like no i'm fucking i'm not i don't i still don't work there because they would always be mad at me when i would cancel there and it's like i'm sorry man the comedy seller gives me like 12 spots a week. You give me three a month. I got to prioritize the place that books me, you know?

Well, that's how it always is. The places where you start out, they remember. Yeah. So when you were 18, you started. And when did you get serious? I was pretty serious. I was in college in New York and I was pretty serious. I went away to Tulane for like a year and a half, but Hurricane Katrina hit. So that hurt my plans a little bit. I remember my parents dropped me off. They're like, it'll be fine. Then I'm like, I think a hurricane's coming and we have to evacuate immediately.

And I made some good friends there, but I ended up leaving. And that's when I got really, I was barking in the summers for the clubs and stuff. And I was handing out flyers every, you know, few hours a night. And I was like, oh man, I love this. I can't go back to New Orleans. Those are the salad days. I loved it, dude. I really, I was such a bad barker though. My energy is too morose.

No one, I'm not convincing anyone to go see a show with this energy. And those are the best when they come in and then I go on and they're like, you said it was a good show. Like you're on the fucking show, you know? And I was like, I have to be like, sorry,

but I got to work on these, you know? And, uh, that's when I got serious. When I got really serious, I won a festival in Atlanta called laughing skull and the, and the prize and the prize was a year worth of roadwork.

So I was like, I'm a year. I'm almost like, yeah, I was like doing some. Yeah. Yeah. How do they do that

They followed up with all these clubs that were willing to participate and like the B and C rooms would headline me And the a rooms would feature me and I I was working every week I was selling t-shirts and shit and I was really How many years in I was probably 23 or so. So this is when you realize like, okay I'm 100% all in on comedy. I had enough material, because you have to do different material each round, and I end up winning, and there was a guy who had a better set than me. I think he should have won, but they chose me.

And, yeah, it was, like, really working. That's how I was, like, I got, and that's when I was very organized. I didn't have managers or anything, but I had, like, Google Docs, like, filled with bookers, and I would reach out to all of them myself with a subject heading booking, and then I would re-email them every 10 days until I got booked.

And I loved it. I loved the road early on, although early on it made me a bad comic. How so? Because I was on the road too much, and I was just doing shitholes, and you start playing to those bad... Like like when you do too many bad crowds, you're like a dog that someone just keeps beating with a fucking newspaper and you're just like biting everything.

So then when you get a good crowd, you just, you bite them and they're like, what did we do? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm fucking, I'm fucked up now. I'm sorry. So I got really mad too early because I was just always doing bad crowds at these horribly run rooms. And then you start doing good clubs and you're like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm doing good clubs. But, yeah, early on I was so fucking used to just people heckling the entire set.

So you get good at comebacks, but you're not jokes right when when they're just screaming shit out, you know So your parents were worried about you doing it because that's just so open-ended brother and sister are lawyers My dad's a lawyer. My mom's an artist so she understands that stuff. But at the same time, you know, I Think yeah, I think I remember the night they my parents are very weird what impresses them I you know, it's like classic New York shit where I do Conan. They'd be like, Oh, whatever. But then I would be on like, I, my dad's like, you were written about in the New York times. And I'd be like, they said I was bad. He's like, but still the times, you know? And I'd be like, all right, whatever. I think just because she just worries. My mom's a worrier. She's like, you know, she just worries. And I remember the night they were like, oh, we get it now.

And it was, I opened for Jim Jefferies. It was called the Best Buy Theater. I think it's a different theater now in New York. But it was like a pretty big theater. And it was when Jim was doing that gun material too. So it was like such a good, it was such a good special, you know. And my parents were like, this funny guy wanted Sam to open open i think that was a moment where they were like oh okay you know that's great so that was really cool i'm like i always like give jim a lot of credit for

for getting my parents on board you know i think my mom was like he was very shocking but he's uh but he's very smart and i was like you know wow but uh yeah for a parent to hear your kid wants to be a stand-up comic i mean think about the guys you started out with in open mic how many of them are actually doing comedy now not a lot i mean it's it's weird uh i that's the thing is you start out and you don't realize what it takes and now i'm like wow i i didn't realize how hard you had to work at, at standup, but luckily I love it.

Like my ADD is so bad. It's really hard for me to focus at anything except for standup. You know, like I, I'm very disciplined and organized with standup, but literally everything else. I'm a fucking idiot. Yeah.

Because you care about it though. Yeah. I, I, you know, that whole ADD thing, I have a real problem with that. I have a real, real problem with what it means. Yeah. You know, that whole ADD thing, I have a real problem with that. I have a real problem

with what it means because like the idea, like first of all, I have a real problem with that people just medicate their kids. Yeah. Your kid's got ADD

and needs medication. So then you put them on something that takes away this one thing that he has which is like this excess amount of energy. And if they could just find something that they really enjoy,

maybe there's a benefit to that. You know, like people that, they think that there's some sort of evolutionary characteristic that saved people early on is to hyper focus on specific things. And ADD is kind of like that. Because like if you're trying to be a hunter or you're trying to do like all these other things that are going on i don't care even though you're supposed to care but you should care about this one thing i need to find food you know and that you can lock in on that and have this extraordinary amount of attention to the detriment of your other duties but that's because they're not as significant to you like what was significant to you was stand-up this big thing. So you do have, like, I thought the same thing about me when I was a kid. I was like, I cannot pay attention in class. I can't, I must be a moron. I'm not interested in things. And then I realized, oh no, no, no,

I'm very interested in some things, but I'm only interested in what I'm interested in. But I'm like, well now I'm fucked because I'll never have a job because I'm not interested in jobs. Like what am I going to do? I'm going to be a loser. And until stand-up came along, I really didn't think that there was a thing that I could focus on that could be a living. Right. You know, like, everything else that I was interested in was just, it didn't matter.

It was pointless. But you become almost, because of that, you become obsessed with the thing you're into. Yeah. And that's a good thing. Yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, maybe I'm not meant to know a shitload about pre-algebra or something, you know?

But I will say, those pills, holy shit. Like, if I, I was like, oh, yeah, maybe I'm not meant to know a shitload about pre-algebra or something, you know? But I will say those pills, holy shit. Like, I don't abuse them, but if I need, like, a kickstart when I need a new hour, I pop, like, a Concerta or something. And I'm like, boom, off to the races, performance enhanced. What is Concerta? It's like Adderall. Yeah? Like, time release. I've never done that.

I mean, shit, dude. That's where I'm like, wow, I can fuck. This is like, I'm like, oh, this is how I'm supposed to be paying attention to shit, I think. But I don't think that is, I don't think that's normal. Well, I don't abuse it, but sometimes you need a fucking, you know, I try to do a lot of topical jokes. I'm like, I'm not reading the paper without this shit. You know what I mean? How often do you take it?

Not a ton. Like, you know, every other week or something. Oh, like once a week? Yeah, yeah. Maybe even less. I don't want to ever abuse it, you know? Is it prescribed? Yeah, I have it.

They're old. They're probably fucking expired, honestly. Eh, still works. I used to have a doctor who was really cool, and then he moved to the Philippines. I was like, damn it, that was my hookup. He moved to the Philippines. He's probably got an 18-year-old wife now.

There's a lot of those guys. Yeah, they fucking rule. That's what Art Bell did. His wife died. He went over to the Philippines. Damn. Yeah. That's a normal thing.

I know my friend Jay, he was in his 60s, and he got some girl pregnant in the Philippines. Damn. Yeah, he had like a family in the Philippines. That sounds like a lot. I get anxiety just hearing that. Yeah, right? You have a child in a third in the Philippines. That sounds like a lot. I get anxiety just hearing that. Yeah, right? You have a child in a third world country

that is over there and you send money and you hope they live. Yeah. Yeah. Man. Yeah, be careful who you nut inside. Yeah, that's wise words. I think that's a good,

yeah, it should be a fortune cookie. Yeah, that's wise words. Just don't nut in anybody. Or if you do, really know them. wise words. Yeah, it should be a fortune cookie. Yeah, that's wise words. Just don't nut in anybody. Or if you do, really know them. Know them, yeah. That's where the ultra-rich and the ultra-poor intersect, is that they'll both nut in anyone. I think the middle class is careful.

It's humans. Yeah. I mean, there's a reason why there's 7.5 billion fucking people. It's funny people. It's fun to nut inside people. I'm so careful about it. What is that you're smoking there? Is that weed?

Damn. You're like a man who can... You want some? No, no, no. I can't handle weed. I panic. You're amazing because you can do like everything. What do you mean?

I mean, you got the gym here. You can have a whiskey. You have your coffee. You have the weed. I mean, you're like a guy who can kind of handle everything. Yeah, but I don't do stimulants. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think I need them.

I don't need anything that gives me confidence. I'm looking for something that destroys my confidence. I'm looking for things that make me nervous. Like, legitimately. I like to get high before I go on stage. I want to feel nervous. Really? Yeah.

I like being nervous. I can never smoke weed before I do a set. I can have a couple drinks. A couple drinks is good. Three drinks, not so good. Four drinks, not so good. No. After the show. Yeah, after the show. But yeah, a drink or so before a show, but I like a little bit of weed.

Late show, I like a drink. I'm like, let me get a little on their level. They're fucked up. They're fucked up. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, you don't want to be a sober guy in front of a room full of drunks and just have disdain you feel like a substitute teacher i'm like when did i become the fucking michelle pfeiffer and dangerous minds all of a sudden on this late show this stinks you want to be like the fun substitute teacher you don't want to be the you know like come on you know yeah the the amphetamines thing scares the shit out of me because it seems like people

they can't stop doing that once they once they start doing that stuff they want to do it all the time i just know way too many people that have had a problem with adderall yeah why don't i i would never get addicted to that stuff i think also like the coke stuff now it's like i never have done coke which shocks people but but but now it's like you do coke you're like man that's some russian roulette you're playing with with fentanyl you're really you're playing a dangerous game yep yeah how many people die from that shit hundred thousand every year it's the number one cause of death between people 18 to 49 years old right now that's fucking terrible fucking wild yeah and it's up way up since the pill manufacturers started uh selling opiates and lying the pharmaceutical companies lying to people about whether or not

they're addictive And then people got addicted and then you know, Florida had this thing. They used to call the Oxycontin Express They did this Vanguard did this show with Mariana van Zeller. Who's this lady? Who's really wild? She does this undercover boots on the ground investigative journalism where she goes to like cocaine Manufacturers in Colombia and she's like with them in the jungle and packs out with them. Yeah. What? To see how they prepare? To see how they do it all. Yeah. Wow. The show's called Trafficked. It's a wild fucking show. And she started, she works with her husband who films her too. And she went down to Florida and Florida, what they were doing is they'd have these pain pill mills.

And what it is is you go to a doctor, and the doctor's in a pain management center. So the doctor says, you need pain pills. And you go right next door to the pharmacy, which only sells pain pills. And they don't have a database. So you would go to this pain management center and say, my back is killing me. And they go, oh, wow, Sam, I got a cure for you. And they'd give it to you, go next door. They give you a fucking big fat bottle of pills.

And then you go a mile away to another pain management center. And you say, my back hurts. And they go, oh, Sam, we got something for you. And you go right next to them. And they had no fucking regulation on it. And so people were stockpiling. They would go to all these different places and then they'd sell it. And then they'd put it in bags and drive it up through Kentucky.

Damn. They'd drive it out of Florida, and they'd call it the OxyContin Express. And they since have put some sort of regulation in place because, I mean, that was a blight on their state, and that documentary was pretty powerful, and a lot of people were aware of it, and I think they changed some of the regulations. But at one point in time, Florida had no database and it was the number one. There was more pills prescribed in Florida per year than the entire country. Damn.

Yeah. Florida, man. Florida. They really are a fucking, that's a hell of a state. It really is the cock of the country. It really, you know, it's also interesting. Doctors in Florida prescribed 10 times more oxycodone pills than every other state in the country combined.

Wow. 10 times more. Do you ever see that documentary? People come from all over the southeast to visit the state's pain clinics. Is that still going on? This is from 2011. Jesus. So this was like right around the time where that documentary came out.

Yeah, you know that doc, The Pharmacist? No. It was on Netflix. It was about the guy, his son Yeah, you know that doc, The Pharmacist? No. It was on Netflix. It was about the guy, his son was hooked on that shit, and his son got killed in the Ninth Ward in New Orleans. It's pretty well done. It's a well-done Netflix doc. Yeah, that's a scary thing, man.

It's also scary that that's legal. Yeah. Because it's like, what is the solution? The solution used to be the war on drugs, legalize everything. Yeah. Okay, but what about that? I know. Because that's legal.

Like, these people are getting it legally, and it's ruining everyone's lives. And kids are doing it. And kids don't know how to fucking handle this shit yet. Adults don't, so why would kids? I know a guy, he had his shit together. He's a construction worker, good guy. Family, whole deal. Hurts his back

Yeah, they get him on pain pills and now he's fucked. He's fucked. He's still fucked all these years later It's two decades later his life's a mess can't keep a job He's always like sleeping on people's couches and he's always like looking to do drugs It's all he wants to do and if you ask him about it You know it's like you know I'm happier when I do them. Like my life sucks. And a lot of people feel that way. Like their life sucks. Yeah. There's nothing to look forward to.

But if they get that high in them, they're like, ah, everything's amazing. And they just live for everything's amazing. And then when you come down off of that, then your suck is even suckier. Because now you feel like shit and you're jonesing you're sick you need to get more heroin in you yeah and you know and then you have to figure out a way to make money and you have to figure out a way to get it and then once you get it you can't stop getting then someone puts you in rehab and you're in rehab for a few months like okay i'm gonna get my life together but but your life sucks and you know what doesn't suck heroin heroin doesn't suck

yeah and so you just try it again and ah life's amazing and you just keep going to that and that's the your new source of happiness in life and you never develop the skills to figure out how to not do that and the skills to figure out how to make regular moments in life which are actually even better than being on heroin. To be connected is everything. I mean, that's really, I mean, I love alcohol, I love drinking, but like those moments where, sometimes I'll talk to my therapist and he'll be like,

well why do you have to drink on a date? And I was like, because it loosens the ice, you know, it breaks the ice easier, and he goes, try being connected to a person, you don't need that shit. And I'm like, I could try that. that so like those moments where you are connected or There there are human moments you can work on that shit I think all drugs are tools and the way I look at marijuana is the same way I look at alcohols same way look at everything

It's the same way I look at tools like if you had a joke about it my act if you had a hammer You can use that hammer and you could build a house. Or you could hit yourself in the dick if you're fucking crazy. So it's up to you. What are you going to do with the tool? If you're telling me that I can't have a glass or two of whiskey and have a lot of laughs at my friends and not ruin my life, well, you're incorrect. Because I have done that a lot. So you're wrong.

It's not true. But if you're telling me that some people don't have self-control and they have one or two drinks and then they get gerbil eyes and they're gone. If you're seeing people, their eyes look like shark eyes. Oh, yeah. There's no one there. I spend time downtown here. There's no one there. It's fucking a lot. The eyeballs are gone and then they're just out and they're blacked out drunk.

Yeah, yeah. That's some people. Some people get that. I'm fortunate that I don't have that in my family. It's not my genes. And that I have discipline. But I don't buy the argument that life is better without drugs. How would we even know?

Most people are doing drugs. Someone's smoking cigarettes that'll talk to you about don't do this. Someone's drinking coffee every day. They can't function without their coffee. But they're telling you you shouldn't drink. Someone's smoking pot, but they think it's wrong to do other things. Like, come on. Oh, and I see like, I'll see TikTok videos where guys are like, coffee is poison. You're taking like natural, like it's not natural energy. And I'm like, you look like you got problems too,

though. Like I'll stick, I like coffee. I'm going to stick with coffee. Yeah. Coffee's not bad. What's bad is not taking care of your body. Now, if you drink so much coffee that you're ruining your body, yeah, I'd say take some time off and try to figure out what the fuck's going on there. How much is too much? I don't know. How much do you drink? I don't drink that much. I drink a couple glasses during a podcast. I'll have like two, maybe one in the morning.

That's probably it. But Dave Foley, who was on news radio with me, drank so much coffee that he stopped putting cream in it because he realized He was drinking a quart of cream a day So he's like a quart of half and half this fucking dude is for it That's how much cream because he was just drinking coffee all day long. He would drink pots and pots of coffee. Damn. Yeah You've had so many careers. That's crazy. Wow. You've been around a long time. Yeah, it's very strange Strange for me because yeah, you know, it's like it's hard to believe yeah is it weird to see is it weird to see episodes i don't watch them my kids watch it holds up it's a good show

it's interesting though it's weird to see a 27 year old me on television going jesus christ but it's cool it's weird it's it's it's just weird because it's your you know, your past is always weird, right? Keep thinking about oh, yeah I did that but to see it on video is even stranger because it feels like like even though I say I was on a Sitcom it sounds like a lie was so long ago. It sounds like a lie. That's because there's like so few left, too Well, it's also it's because it's like my life is so different than that It's like trying to relate to that time of my life is like hmm I life is so different than that it's like trying to relate to that time of my life is like hmm i just it feels the the big one for me is martial arts when i talk about like mark like when i used

to fight that makes me feel like i'm lying why it just feels like a lie like if i didn't have video of me fighting and if i didn't know that i could still go do something like i could still go do it i know how to do it still like i'll like look at a heavy bag sometimes and my brain is like do you what are you doing here do you know what you're doing? And then I just start doing it and my girl Yeah, I know how to do this. It's weird. It's like it was it's such a part of my life But it was so long ago that it doesn't seem real I think about old sets and like how I used to like record them on VHS tapes. Oh, yeah That's so crazy that you would mail a VHS to a club. Oh, yeah.

Now it's a link. Yeah. Life has become simpler. With a password. Yeah. I don't want anybody stealing my fucking awesomeness. Yeah.

Yeah. The past is a strange thing when, you know, you were talking about like these old clubs that you worked at and old sets that you worked at

and like, we have these ideas in our mind. They're these building blocks of character and life experiences you know and you hope what you hope to be and like what you did hope to be and what you've become and you're like oh hopefully i don't turn into this did you have aspirations like when you first started doing stand-up and first started getting serious did you say i want

to be on netflix or i want to be on hbo i want to be a world-renowned headline well netflix wasn't a thing at the time but yeah at the time I was like yeah I remember I mean the last special I did that the one that really helped me the one I got this I self-produced that is like 11 million views on YouTube right now and you know that was one that everyone passed on so that was a pretty big thing for me that it that it succeeded online and really helped ticket sales on the road because that's why I did this. I was like, I've been doing the road a long time.

I want people to come out and pay to see me. I think it's better for ticket sales. Like doing stuff like that. Oh, dude, Netflix. I'm on the sinking ship here. This is, Netflix is on its, I feel like I got a, I just showed up to the Titanic as it hit the iceberg

and I'm like, I'll take a lifeboat. Sure, why not? I don't think Netflix is, I'm not equating that with like doing an HBO special or something. Netflix is way better, but it also gets online too now. Like once you get wrecked, like the, if you, one of the good things about comedy is if you're a fan of comedy, you don't have that much to choose from. Right. Like if you like hip hop, do you have any hip hop artists there are like try keeping track. Sure. There's so many of them. There's so many of them. The barrier to entry is not as difficult. You know, it's like there's a lot. There's a lot involved in becoming a comic that people want to go see at a club. Yeah. And so once that happens, then you get locked into the group of people who love to go see live stand up. They know about you. If they about tim dillon they know about mark norman they know about you and that's that's the beautiful thing about putting out a special today is like you're already in this network like an organic network of comics so it's

like what it used to be is you were just you were hoping and praying that someone would like shine a light and that light would be a carson set you know, and oh, finally I get my shot. This is my shot. But now you get your shot all the time. Like every time you put up an Instagram thing and it gets shared by a million people, that's a shot. You're getting your shot with those people.

And then they find out, oh, Sam's coming to Chicago. Let's go see him. That's the beautiful thing about today. And it's unprecedented. There's never been a time like this. It used to be you had to do these fucking morning radio shows and nobody gave a shit and you had to do interviews with newspapers they would take your words out of context and you had to do fucking morning tv

which was hot death and not fun i but i'd always try to run them off the rails because i was like that's the only way anyone's gonna watch it you do that you said an uncle molested you and it made you funny which by the way people were like you're so brave I'm like well it's not true I was just trying to upset them

I didn't get I was just they asked me have you always been funny and I said no but when you're I said when I was young an uncle touched me

and he had he was funny so it was like a Spider-Man origin story and they were just like uh I did it to to derail the interview.

Because I'm like, this is the only way anyone's ever going to see this. Yes. And it did sell tickets. That was the only. And they were, you know, I'll give credit to the improv book. At the time, they were like, that was funny. You know, they weren't mad at me. Although they don't have comics on that show anymore.

So if you play Pittsburgh, you're welcome. Yeah, you're welcome. You don't have to wake up early anymore. It's not going to help. No one's. I mean, you might get one or two people come to see you for welcome. Yeah, you're welcome. You don't have to wake up early anymore. It's not going to help. I mean, you might get one or two people come to see you for that. And it's not worth me putting on a worse show because I got two hours of sleep. Exactly.

That's the problem with morning radio. It's like the worst time for a comic to be awake at 6 a.m. And they always act like we're being divas. I'm like, dude, we did a show at night. That's our 9 to 5. That means I got off stage at like, what, 10? Six hours ago You were just leaving the club. It's pretty tough and it's not like you go right to sleep

You're hot up on energy. So that's a tough thing. But you know, it's it's it's a different time Yeah, you said about Carson. It's like yeah, there's no one thing. That's why I like you do a late-night set now It's kind of like are you nervous? No, because it's if I bomb it doesn't really matter and if i kill it's it's a fun little set to have out there yeah and i know like they don't move the needle anymore but i'm old school i love late night sets i got into this because of like dangerfield and shit and those old school sets where he's just being just dude there's no one funnier than rodney dangerfield i mean he's the fucking man you ever see meat while he sparks i think of that scene when he walks up to the, you know, he's like the loud guy

disrupting the high society party, and he walks in and he goes, there's a couple making out. He goes, you two should get a room. And then he walks past the fat couple making out. You two should get a warehouse. That's fucking gold. Like, it's the simplest.

Rodney was the funniest dude he's got a great origin story too you know the story Jacob Cohn yeah yeah well you know the story about him quitting and selling aluminum side

yeah and then he popped at like 50 or something 40 yes when you like back to school and watch those

he's in his 50s back to school is probably my favorite comedy phenomenal movie that's the best the whole scene with his wife leaving.

You're impossible. Oh, yeah? And you're easy. That's simple comedy. Oh, dude. When they're looking at the wife's, the Klimt painting, he goes, your wife was just showing us your Klimt. You too? Yeah.

It's like, that's perfect. My manager was a manager of Bob Nelson, who was on one of the earlier- I remember. Yeah. And he got to hang out with Rodney a lot. And he said Rodney would go to watch comedy. He still loved comedy and really wanted to help comedians. The Dangerfield specials were the best specials for a comic.

The best. Because you got Rodney's seal of approval, and then you're also sharing the stage with Bill Hicks, Dom Herrera, Dice Clay, Lenny Clark. Robert Schimmel. Robert Schimmel. Yeah, I mean, it was... Seinfeld. Seinfeld.

Kinison. Kinison, that's right. Heavyweights. Yeah, Carol Leifer's set on there is so good. Carol Leifer. So many great comics. So many people got launched from the Dangerfield specials. Dude, I remember those specials because I watched them so much.

The Hicks set was legendary, of course. Oh, my God god but i remember robert schimmel opened this is an opening joke he goes i saw a guy got arrested for animal necrophilia how do you plead for that your honor i thought the cat was alive i was fucking it that's your opener what a fucking balls open like whoa he's a guy too he didn't start stand-up till he was 36 and he was great he was amazing he was a he was a he was like a high art dirty comic yeah i even hate saying dirty but it was like the best dirty jokes you ever like they were like supremely well-crafted dick jokes oh man he had some jokes that i was like this is like brilliant he had a joke about having a heart attack and his wife's in the car with him. And she goes, please don't die.

And he goes, don't say that. I'm scared it's going to have the same effect as don't come. That's a fucking insane joke. Something that bad happened to you and you turned it in. Like, damn. No, he was a, I was a big Robert Schimmel fan. He was a great guy too. I never met him.

I was such a big fan. Yeah. I met him a bunch. He was a great guy. Yeah. I remember he'd gotten sick, and I ran into him when he was doing better. I ran into him in the commons in Calabasas. It was like this movie theater area.

He was just so warm and so friendly and was so nice. Sometimes you run into a comic and you don't expect to see him, and it's like, dude, what's up? It's like when we see one of us out there in the wild, in the wild, you know, doing normal shit like at a Barnes and Noble. Yeah.

And it's fun, you know? And that's how, that's my map. My last memory of him. Damn. He died in that car accident. Damn.

Too many comics have died. It's really, it's a bummer, man. Did you ever get a chance to see Jenny live? Richard Jenny? No, but I was a fan

of his specials dude yeah see him live seeing him live was magic that motherfucker i he was so underrated i think super under i blow his horn as often as i can but when i was um a kid i've been doing comedy maybe three years i think and i first came out to long island and uh i was at east side comedy club and the guys who were there richard jenny had been there all weekend they were all three years I think and I first came out to Long Island and I was at Eastside Comedy Club and the guys who were there Rich and Jenny had been there all weekend and they were all despondent.

They were like dude he did four different hours. I hate hearing that when I show up to a club. Two different hours Friday night two different hours Saturday night. They said he never repeated a joke and he fucking murdered every show.

I hate hearing that. But they also said he was miserable. Wow. He was miserable. He hated it. He hated it and he wished he was miserable. Wow. He was miserable. He hated it. He hated it, and he wished he was a movie star. It's like a Billy Joel song.

Yeah. I mean, that's the tough thing, is that when you're not, you can't get your happiness from this. You need other, I mean, look, I get it. You get fulfillment from your work, and we're very fortunate to have this, and you can get some from this. But when you get all your happiness from this and you're like

I should be bigger that's poison he just wanted to be a different thing like back then the goal was to have a sitcom or to have a movie pretty movie career was number one if you could be Jim Carrey that's number one if you couldn't be that you wanted to be Jerry Seinfeld and that's what everybody wanted to do and that was that that was the golden ring that everybody went towards. And so when we were Club Comics and we were coming up, Jenny was doing the clubs. So you had this guy that was like one of the best comics ever

and hated the fact that he had to work in Houston. And he's doing like the laugh stop. Yeah, well, he was in The Mask with Jim Carrey. Yes. And he's great in it. That's what he wanted. I guess that's what he wanted. But it's not really.

What you want is it to be better. You want to not feel this thing, this constant state of need, this constant desire to have adulation and attention and to be a constant confirmation that you're worthy, that you're worthwhile. And you feel like, if I just get this movie career, that'll be it.

Well, that's outside your control, that stuff. If you can keep it to at least inside your control, like, I need a new act. Like, at least I can work on that. I can't work on a fucking casting guy being like, you're the guy. That's not in your hands. And it fucks with your head.

Yeah, I mean, him killing himself was tragic. I didn't know him, obviously, but a tell used to open for him. So he spoke so highly of him always. And I mean, I remember watching his HBO specials. Like, dude, you got HBO specials in your miserable? He didn't want to be a road comic. He wanted to be in Los Angeles, be the movie star with the big house and he'd show up at the red carpet and everybody cheers you know but it's not that even that it's

like whatever he i think that's part of the problem is like think about how great he was like do you ever get that great if you're happy like do you ever get that or do you do you have to have this fucking bottomless pit that you're always trying to fill up with laughter and and and killer bits So people like you for that brief moment so in that brief moment you're on stage That moment when you kill is the only thing that feels good It's also such a comic moment to crush in a room and then you walk off nearly Like literally he probably is getting standing ovations and he goes to the green room like fucking kill me and we were all like god damn like he's he's just doing something he he had a whole bit that he did about buying a corvette if that's a premise that people don't want to hear like

buying you're buying you're telling me about your corvette that you're buying like ew what kind of bit and it murdered mur i remember thinking this motherfucker can extract comedy from anything. I was at the Comedy Works in Montreal. That little room. You ever go to that little room? I've done it once, yeah. It's a tiny room upstairs. Seats are 100 people.

It's a fucking great room. I don't love comedy in Montreal, but I love the city. I love that town. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that club. I used to go back and do that club even after I had done television. I'd go back and do that club in Montreal and lose money. Just to get a good Montreal bagel.

Just to fucking hang out at that place. This guy Jimbo used to run it. It was the best. Such a nice guy. Everybody loved him. We just had fun there. It was just a fun little small place. The good clubs are important.

I saw Jenny go up and do that Corvette bit there, and I was like, this is the craziest shit. How is he getting a premise out of buying a corvette like a guy trying to upsell him on various aspects of the car and undercoating all this shit but it was just it was so good he was just the guy could just he was so fucking prolific he always had new material he always had better shit yeah and that's it's interesting like he that kept him going but like when you want to be a movie star i'm like dude there's like five of those guys yeah but he wanted to be you know they want they want to not feel bad and they think that that's the thing that's going to make them not

feel bad and it's not like you like life is a fantastic weird magical Yeah. But it's hard to keep that in perspective because everybody wants their life to be this thing that's quantifiable. Like you could show the world, look what I did, which is really kind of crazy because it's temporary. Like it's not like you get to a spot and then it lasts forever. Like it doesn't last forever for anybody.

So like you're supposed to- There's no checklist. There's nothing that you're gonna hit that's gonna quench that thirst. When you're on your deathbed, it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars in your bank. You're not gonna feel better. You're gonna be like,

oh, my God, I'm about to go into blackness. I'm about to go into the next dimension. I'm about to escape the light of life and go into the great beyond. Yeah. And maybe nothing. Maybe this is just sleep. Yeah. Maybe it's just, like, close my eyes and that nothing maybe this is just sleep yeah maybe it's just like close my eyes the sleep's not bad everybody loves to go to sleep and everyone's afraid to die yeah well it's permanent sleep yeah but that's what's weird it's like when you go to

sleep you you know you the comfort of the fact you're going to get up in eight hours is what keeps you going is that really what it is that's why you look forward to it i hate going to sleep i hate the moment where i I hate going to sleep. I hate the moment where I have to go to sleep. It's horrible for me. I hate it. It's weird for me because everybody in my house goes to bed early,

because I have kids and I have a wife and she goes to bed early, and I write all my best stuff at night. So like, while they're asleep, sometimes I'm high as Jesus on the space shuttle and I'm wandering around the house till like two, 3 in the morning and I feel guilty.

I feel guilty. Why? Because everyone's asleep and I'm high as fuck watching movies at 3 o'clock in the morning in my house. What movies are you watching?

Whatever's on. Whatever I'm interested in. I watch bad movies. I watch good movies. I love watching a bad movie. I like bad horror movies. Really? Like a bad werewolf movie.

I was watching Werewolf Hunter the other night. It's so dumb. Yeah. It's like with a bunch of people, like semi-famous people from like the 90s that are now doing these awful B-grade horror movies. Yeah. You know there's those actors that were like kind of character actors, like maybe they had a pretty good co-starring role in one movie a long time ago,

but it never really panned out. Yeah. But they'll do these fucking horrible horror movies. Gotta make a book, man. That's a tough... I always feel for actors, because it's like, you gotta wait for someone to be like, you're in. Yeah. Whereas we get to be like, I'm working this weekend, I'm working this weekend, I'm working this weekend, I'll do a podcast.

Yeah. It is tough to be... Same with musicians. It's tough to wait for someone to kind of give you the green light. But musicians at least can tour and they can go to clubs and they have a network of, like comics do, where musicians work for each other and they open for each other and they work together on the road. That all makes sense to me. But the actor thing is the crazy one because someone has to choose you. You could be the best actor ever, but they don't like you at the audition you never get the part and then you never get this part and

then now you're 40 and they don't want you anymore because you're 40 they're looking for a 30 year old guy they're not looking for a 40 year old guy we have our 40 year old guys the 40 year old guys have millions of dollars that they sell in the box and the track record i mean that's the thing it's like that's why i love seeing a career like JK Simmons where you're like Oh, hell. Yeah, that could still happen You know that guy kind of pops later in his career and he fucking rules in every movie. He's in what is he in again? Oh, he's Whiplash, he's the teacher. You know you ever see whiplash. I didn't see whiplash. Oh, dude. It's fucking great It's great. I mean you got to get past it is to

Darius yeah, he was in Oz Look at me. He's all jack. Well, I mean you got to get past that it's two- Darius, yeah. He was in Oz. Remember? He was the bad guy in Oz. Look at him. He's all jack. Look at that. I mean, you got to get past the fact that it's two white guys who are amazing jazz musicians being the stars of the movie, but once you get past that, the movie fucking rocks. And then he's Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man. He's on Law and Order.

Oh, yeah. That's right. Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man. That's right. He's awesome. Yeah. How did that not go to Dennis Farina? That guy just looked like that dude in the comics, you know?

Yeah. There's a few of those guys, right? They'd, like, pop later in their life. It's awesome. Character actors. Yeah. Love a good character actor. Fuck yeah, man.

Yeah. It's just, it's such a brutal business, and the business promotes conformity, which is one of the worst things for an artist. Yeah. The business, it promotes conforming to a very progressive liberal ideology that he has to espouse publicly. And anybody that is conservative that's in that or religious is in that, they have to hide it. Unless they're Rob Schneider. Yeah. Well, he's not really in it anymore.

But like Chris Pratt is a better example. Right. This religious guy has to kind of like not talk about it. And any time he brings up anything, like anything, even positive stuff, like, you know, saying he's happy his child is healthy, people are attacking him in the comments. Well, if they know your politics, they will hurt you. politics uh yeah they will hurt you if they know you and they don't like you they will attack a character that you then play who's nothing like you yeah in the in the reviews i mean that's kind of critics it was a time when critics had like a lot of sway and now the audience i think has gotten too smart where yeah they become more sophisticated but there was a time where you

like those old movies like the sweet smell of success where they're like i'll destroy you in my column and i'm like that's fucking over that's over that's over it doesn't work it's just one person's opinion now even if you're writing it in the new york post or the new york times it's just a human it's a human's opinion it used to be oh my god the time says you suck and you'd be like oh my god i suck i must suck. But now, you know, Kurt Metzger says at times it's like a fat girl's Tumblr blog. It's like it's gotten to this like weird place where society and word of mouth and people tweeting about stuff and Facebooking about stuff and then telling their friends at work. That's how stuff gets popular. And then, you know, promos and you see it looks awesome in the preview. The preview is hilarious. Not very much very much anymore previews are hilarious you don't see a lot of

fucking really hardcore comedy movies anymore they don't make them anymore like think about super watch the hangover recently that's a great movie so probably the last one it's very hard to make a big budget right comedy because no one wants to put money in it but i'm like man i think the public is starving for like a Todd Phillips type of comedy. Yeah. But the problem is like those movies get attacked so hard. Yeah. Those guys don't want to do them anymore.

Do they really get attacked though? If Superbad came out today, it would get eviscerated. You think so? A hundred percent. Why? What about it? It's bad. There's so much about it, man.

They went for it. They went for all the funny shit they they're like ridiculous characters in it but that's the beauty of that movie is that it's like kids making insane decisions like that's why south park is great they're fucking kids it's funny like i don't understand why you can't make that like i don't know what happened you could but you would have to have the right people with the right amount of balls, and I bet it would be hugely successful. I think, yeah, I think of movies that were like big comedy movies, and it's been a minute.

Do you know what would have to happen? You would have to do one on like a right-wing streaming platform, like the Daily Wire. They would let you do it. They're probably the only ones that would let you be uncensored. Would they make a funny movie, though, on the Daily Wire? I bet they would let you make a funny movie. I mean, jeez. See, people have to take chances now,

and they have to show that they're for freedom of speech. We're for the First Amendment. Yeah. So they'll let you get away with some wild shit now in certain places that are trying to make a point, whereas in other places they're trying to back off and they're scared. Like, we just want family-friendly stuff. We just want this, we just want that. You know, there's a lot of like weirdness in that. And they get pushed back from their, the people that work

in the organizations, right? So you get kids that are coming right out of college, fully indoctrinated in the world of woke. And then they started entering into these tech companies. And they're fully indoctrinated. And they're the majority of the people there. And so a lot of them feel like they're activists. So they have to have their voice. And so they speak up and like, this is what happened during the Dave Chappelle thing at Netflix. Like people walked into meetings

and demanded to be heard in the middle of like Netflix. They weren't just unemployed anymore. Now they were an activist. There is a self-esteem movement that's interesting where it's kind of, where it's's like i don't understand that entirely i do think it's entitlement i do think they have to adapt or they'll die like companies like netflix amazon i mean amazon won't die let's be real they have other irons in the fire but i mean like netflix hbo uh hulu all these streamers like you need to make shit that

that people want to see and I think you're right that comedy is with stand up I guess it's weird that we talked about

like Tarantino earlier it's weird that you can get away with it as a stand up as yourself but in a movie with characters for some reason

it doesn't fly anymore that because in everything else it's the opposite right well stand up is only like one person it's hard to like you could find the people that distribute it but it's only one person if it's a movie like a comedy movie like all the actors in it are fucked but to me that's why it should be not as bad there's so many people yeah on board with this like when people are like you know kevin spacey's canceled i'm like cool i'm still watching la confidential a. Confidential.

A shitload of people were involved in that movie. You don't get to take away a fucking movie. You can't take away House of Cards. Because one guy's an asshole. He's so good in House of Cards. So good, man. He's a great actor. He's fucking great. He's crazy as fuck.

But I do feel like he is the dude in Swimming with Sharks he played. Yeah, probably. He is that dude. It sounds like he's a dick grabber. You know, it probably works a lot. That's probably part of the problem. You know, like, oh my God, Kevin Spacey grabbed my dick. I think I'm going to go blow him.

And then all of a sudden it's on and popping, you know? But you need to make, you need to get people on board with like a great, I think once it's, because these companies at the end of the day stand for nothing, except for money. So when you do show that it's profitable, I think they're all going to be back on board. You just need one back on board. I mean, you can tell that it's all what's good for business when you see HBO, Netflix,

whatever group is most marginalized that month, they'll do like, oh, please enjoy our selection of hashtag end Asian hate. And it's like, we have Harold and Kumar too. I'm like, that's it? You got one fucking movie and I'm supposed to be impressed so I mean I do think it's all

what's good for business and they think this is good for business so make one good comedy that is a success and it's back well I bet Netflix is a place that could do it if anybody could do it cause Netflix did release that memo saying like look if you work here and you don't enjoy what the

content of the people that put out, that work with us make and put on our network, then you don't have to work here. We'll offer you a severance package you can take off. Which is a pretty, I think, fair statement. Very reasonable. If you don't like this, then, you know, I think it's good when people side

with the artist. I also think, like, you know, with stand-up, I think we're alright. I do think, like, enough comics will support you. Look, it's good when people side with the artist. I also think like, you know, with stand-up, I think we're all right. I do think like enough comics will support you. Look, we've circumvented the industry, enough of us as comics, to be like, we don't really need them. I wasn't expecting Netflix to buy this special, and I was totally fine if they didn't. I was kind of like, yeah, I'll put it on YouTube, great.

And then my agent was like, Netflix wants your special. And I and i was like all right it'll be a different audience that will see it that'll be great they'll see it too though everyone will see it that's the thing of today it's like people see it they'll tell you they'll tell other people it's great and then other people see it hopefully it almost doesn't matter where it goes now yeah you know like look what louis ck's doing just puts it up on his website i know lou, it's a different thing because he asked for money. I remember when I put out my YouTube special, I told Louis and he said, that's a terrible idea. Because Louis is from a different school where it was like you pay for it. And I was like, but Louis, you had like multiple HBO specials before you did this.

So you had a huge audience. For me, this is to get the audience for the road. I think that was the difference. I had done multiple Comedy Central specials. No one fucking watched them. Here's the thing. No road. I think that was the difference. I had done multiple Comedy Central specials. No one fucking watched them. Here's the thing. No one knows that it's a terrible idea.

Yeah. That's not true. It's like to say it's a terrible idea is to say, well, I don't do it that way. Yeah. And I don't agree with it. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. But it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Objectively, it's a great idea.

But in his defense, he was like, I don't get why you wouldn't get paid for it. And it's understandable for a guy who did it his way. It's an understandable take. Yeah, but he's got to recognize that that wasn't an available option for him at that stage of his career. And if it was, he would be wise to take it. Because if something goes viral on YouTube, that's invaluable. Whatever they give you, Netflix gives you X amount of dollars, but only 100,000 people see it. Versus you put it on YouTube and 4 million people see it.

You'll make way more in touring. That's what I think is interesting. Like I did Letterman's show on Netflix and he was kind of like, he's of that generation where he was like, I don't understand how you make money. I was like, well, there's money. Because he came up when it was like sitcom or bust. Right. And now I'm like, no, live touring is kind of where you make the money. Yeah, yeah.

Everybody back in that era wanted a sitcom. Yeah. You know, this is a different time, man. It really is. It's a way better time for us. It's way better. And if he was coming up, he would put his stuff on YouTube, too. I mean, you'd be silly.

Late Night with David Letterman on YouTube? Yeah, man. It'd be fucking awesome. It'd be amazing. That was the same argument about podcasts. Like Howard Stern famously used to shit all over podcasts. I know. Why are you wasting your time with that?

And I think, you know. But he got paid $500 million by Sirius, so he was kind of like, I'm right. Exactly. So it's like, you go with kind of,

like a lot of people bestow wisdom, but it's like, this is my life. That's what they're saying. He's right for him. Exactly. But he's not even right for him. Because if he, look, he's still Howard Stern. If he decided to just go do a show somewhere else

and just put it online and sell ads for it, it would be fucking massive. Have you had him on here ever? Would you ever? Sure. That'd be a great interview. Yeah, you could it would be back and forth It'd be like tennis you guys trying to interview each other. I would just talk to him. I want to talk to him I don't like interviews. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't even want to have a specific. He's a great interviewer

Yeah, I was on the show a bunch of times. Yeah It's um a thing though where he's a part of this I mean, he's the greatest radio broadcaster of all time you should say that that's what i believe i believe that all of us are walking in his footsteps everybody who does podcasts we're doing like wild uncensored conversations because he opened the door sure because there was no wild uncensored conversations that's patient zero in the podcast world it's howard stern 100 and then all the other people came from him. I know there was Don Imus, and he was controversial and all this stuff, but it's Howard Stern.

And then it was Opie and Anthony because Opie and Anthony opened up the door for just a hang. They're the real seed of podcasts because the Howard Stern show was you were being interviewed by the great Howard Stern. And he was behind this thing where he had all the fucking levers and he would he would mix the sound and shit himself he works all the buttons himself like he was a real like trained DJ you know before he became this he figured out a thing that no one had figured out is like people talk like this privately why shouldn't you talk like this publicly in morning radio when people are stuck in traffic and they're fucking bored? Give them something fun.

Yeah. And go crazy and go for it and get wild. And he was the first guy to do it. But what Opie and Anthony did was they just let us come on and hang out like this. So we would just be hanging. And it would be Rich Voss and Jim Norton and Patrice. I mean, those guys are classics. Yeah.

It was Nick DiPaolo and fucking Bill Burr and Ari Shafir. We would just go and hang out. And that's what we did. It was like, that was the birth of podcasting, was really the Opie and Anthony show. That's a great point. A lot of the guys were really, that's where they broke. Yeah. And I will say a lot of those listeners, I'm like, holy shit.

Animals. Take a break from the comments for a day maybe. Maybe hug your kids. Well, I think they encouraged that. There was like an encouragement of that sort of, that's what you're worried about with your audience. Like what are you encouraging from your audience? Are they mimicking the way you interface with other people?

Because Opie and Anthony were brutal in how they trashed everything. I know, but Norton, when he trashes you, it's with love. Right, but that's you while you're there. But if there was someone else that they're trashing that wasn't there, they would be fucking ruthless. Yeah. And so they put that energy, that attacking energy out there. And those fans are like, that's what I was looking for.

They're savages. And you find these savages. It's interesting. I mean, Voss is another one where like when he treasures you, it feels good. It's great. Because I love Rich. I remember I did the Jokers, the Impractical Jokers cruise years ago with Rich. And like, dude, it was like Rich, Ari, Tim Dillon.

It was like a great crew. Yamanika, a great crew of people. And I remember after one show, a woman came up to me in front of Rich and goes, you are our favorite. And Rich overhears it. And I just see him walk over. And he goes, oh, yeah? Well, your friend is prettier than you.

Oh, God. I was like, Jesus Christ. He didn't miss a moment. And this isn't even like during the show. No. It's after the show. We're in the fucking like, we're on like a deck. And I'm like, I couldn't stop laughing.

I was like, I cannot believe 35 plus years of that shit locked and loaded. Just like, boom, boom, just counter punching just Rich Voss. A fucking classic.

Yeah, I met Rich Voss back in the Jerry Curl days. Oh my God. Was he wearing gold chains and shit on stage? That was crazy. He's hilarious.

He's always been hilarious. He's a classic. Yeah, but that whole environment of the Opie and Anthony hangs. I missed it. I was at the Cellar later. When I was there, the only remnants of that were Keith Robinson, who I love.

Love Keith. And Colin and all these classics. I remember when I auditioned at the Comedy Cellar, I was so nervous. And Keith is just torturing me. He's just fucking with me. And it's making me laugh. But in front of everyone, he's like, look how nervous this guy is. Look at him. And everyone's just laughinguring me. He's just fucking with me and it's making me laugh. But he's, in front of everyone, he's like,

look how nervous this guy is. Look at him. And everyone's just laughing at me. And that was my intro to The Cellar. I did a gig in Miami and it was at a theater and before me, I had like a 10 o'clock show

and before me was Wanda Sykes and Keith. And they both left, they both waved to me as I was like, I was coming in and they were like, hey, what's up, what's up? And they both left me notes. And Wanda's They were like, hey, what's up, what's up? And they both left me notes.

And Wanda's note was like, hey, Joe, great to see you. Kick ass tonight. I hope you have a great show. And like a little heart. And then Keith Robbins says, I hope you die the most miserable death you've ever died on stage. He's so – Keith is such a great ball buster because there's so much love. Like you just, he knows how to make you fucking laugh. He has some new material that kills me, man.

You know, he had a second stroke, unfortunately, but he goes up and he fucking- He had a second one? Yeah. What happened in the second one? He's not doing great physically, I mean, but he goes up and he fucking murders. He's slurring his speech and he's limping

and he's lost use of his arm, and he still goes on stage, and it takes the audience like a second, and then they're like, holy shit, this guy's hilarious. He had a bit about how he finds himself laughing at disabled people, forgetting that he's disabled. I was dying, I was like, dude, that's fucking gold. Oh, that's amazing.

He's a great a great great hang and he's so fucking funny very funny and you know those guys in that scene like that new york scene was like the perfect place for podcast to start because everybody likes to just talk shit so there was never a dull moment there was never a moment where it was dead air there was never a moment everybody's like so what else there was no what else it was dead air. There was never a moment where everybody's like, so what else? There was no what else. It was just constantly going, and we're all drinking coffee. It was like one of the few radio shows

that I would genuinely look forward to. I couldn't wait to get in there. Yeah, it's intimidating. I was on very at the end. So I was never on, it was on when it was like Opie and Jim. I was never on when it was Opie and Anthony. Anthony was a big part of it, man. Yeah, of course.

He's so funny, man. He's a comic that never did comedy sure he's a comic like when you talk to him he's got a comics mindset he'll bring up a subject he's like yeah why is it and then he'll have this brilliant take on things yeah he's great man and that was the one that i mean that's where like a lot of us like heard patrice really shine you know oh yeah and those his philosophies is the way he would break things down with funny but he had thought this shit through yeah like he had there was a there was a like a rock solid philosophy behind his point and you had to go oh that he really shined that i mean elephant in the room was to me like one of the iconic comedy specials

because it was hard to capture what was so funny about him yeah you know because he was so unique and and the material felt so off the cuff even though you know of course a lot he was working that out but uh i mean that was like a classic special he would have been the best podcaster alive if he was alive today patrice if he had been great he would be number one yeah he had the gift of gab for sure I mean it's it's he he was I think of Patrice and Greg Giraldo as well I mean I love Greg Giraldo's comedy so much and uh did you ever see the one with Greg Giraldo when he was on Tough Crowd with Dennis Leary it's insane that's like brilliant that was Greg in a nutshell where

it was like you you you beat him up with jokes yes you beat up and it felt like dennis was a bully i mean it just felt like we had sunglasses the sunglasses the leather jacket i'm like are you like cobra kai like what the fuck is this shit and and greg was just so there it just felt like justice with greg always he was never a dick, it seemed like. His son was... He could have been way meaner. Oh, he was so cool. I mean, with that particular one, he could have been way meaner. But it was one of those things

where Dennis was huge right then. Sure. He had just taken off. He had no cure for cancer, and he was like, his career was taken off. So it was like a classed struggle thing. Sure. You know, which I don't like at all.

I don't like when comics treat other comics as if they're not the same thing. It's fucking weird. I don't like it. Well, it's also like you're not really a comic anymore if you're doing that, right? You're kind of like a movie star. Exactly. And the sunglasses, it's like. Is that what you always wanted too?

Did you always want to be the man? Is that what you wanted? It's like you think want to be the man? Is that what you wanted? It's like you think you're being an alpha, but you just seem out of touch. It's like the type of thing that if you showed up like, dude, if I take any fashion risk and I roll into the comedy cellar, I'm going to get my ass kicked. Like if I roll in, I remember I had a mustache once and Colin Quinn's like, you know what pisses me off is I think you like that fucking mustache. I just got tortured for it for like a whole night. And I was like, I just went home,

went, you know, it's like, there's something about you that keeps you on your shit. Yeah. And I'm like, that's a dude that like showing up in sunglasses, that dude's someone's not keeping that dude honest,

you know, showing up in sunglasses and unless you're a rapper. Yeah. And belittling your peers like guess what man you're maybe bigger than greg greg's fucking 10 times funnier than you dude i mean like yeah like greg was a great comic yeah real comic it's um you know it's one of those things man it's like that era those people they wanted to all be a star they all wanted to be the man who gets to bump everybody what does that even fucking mean and also like the guy who bumps everyone comics don't fucking like you

It's not you know who doesn't do that shit like Ray Romano shows the seller and he's like oh going after you I'm like you're a Romano. You could fucking bump us We don't give a shit But like it's always like the guy like that where you're like that's like the cool the nice cool guy and then you get the comic Who shows up and is like doing 45 in the middle of the show and now you like you're not letting the young comics go up and i will always say louis is always cool about that shit always even when he was like at the height of you know yeah he's always cool about that shit he'll go on last yeah and atel like look atel could do whatever he wants to the seller he's going on at like 1 15 a.m not wild yeah but that's also why his act is so tight and it's so good.

Yeah. Like, he gets the people with, like, the least amount of attention span and murders to them. Yeah. It's like he's running with weights on, you know? It's crazy. He is, like, it's like that scene in Star Wars where Yoda just takes out the lightsaber and you're like, oh, shit, Yoda fucked shit up, you know? Louie's happy to go up in front of a shitty crowd, which is amazing.

Like, he wants, wants like small crowds. Sometimes he wants weird shows where people don't know he's there. And then he shows up like he, he has a real process, man. He romanticizes the struggle for sure. Like he, I remember him saying like,

he's like, I wish I was like a comic and Bushwick right now. And I'm like, that's hilarious to hear. I'm like, you do maybe for like five minutes a day. I'm sure the rest of your life, you're happier in a fucking massive apartment. You can create plenty of fucking struggle in your life.

The bad gigs will come at every level. You don't need to create bad gigs for yourself. They're going to come unexpected like a surprise party. They'll be there. I think it's just people have a certain amount of angst inside of them no matter what they do. And there's a certain amount of desire for struggle. Because they realize that the human mind is wired to overcome resistance and that's difficult. And while you do that, that should be your struggle. And then, yeah, well, you don't have to worry

about your rent anymore because now you're wealthy. But don't wish you were fucking poor. Don't wish things were bad because bad things are going to happen regardless. Like, be grateful for health. Be grateful for things in your life

not being horrible. But I get the sentiment behind it. The sentiment behind it is that there's something noble in that fucking pure struggle, the artist who wants to succeed and achieve and that that's a magic thing man when you see a comic that's uh you know maybe three years and four years and it's just starting to really crack and you see them on stage and they're fucking killing it and you find out that six months ago they were living in their car or like you know they they you know they get by waiting tables or

delivering food you know for door dash and you go wow there's something wild about that there's something badass knowing that that person's gonna crack they have the skills they're already really funny they've got great points all they need to do is just put in the time like that's a real fucking killer right there it's exciting to see people break through for sure and it's exciting when you know they're like really close and when they have like a great special in them and they're like the world's gonna see that and now they have to fucking go back and eat shit and write a new act you're gonna see this guy hans kim tonight this kid um six months ago was living in his van and now he opens up for me in arenas is he was living in his van like he was basically homeless started doing kill tony he's on kill tony does one minute every week one new

minute every week in front of the air and kills the guy writes constantly and uh what kind of what kind of stand-up is it i don't want to say i I mean, very offensive, but very funny. Like, just real stand-up. Yeah. Real comedy. Jokes. But really funny. And it's watching this guy, like, navigate through this thing. It's so exciting for me to see. To see this kid who was, like, basically homeless six months ago, and he works so fucking hard. He's got fucking spreadsheets with all his jokes on them, and he's writing shit out.

He's, like, always got his laptop out. He's always writing. He's always got new premises i love autistic joke people he's out there some of my favorite people is the ones who are like obsessively weird joke people yeah that's him but it's also you know he's at that really romantic moment you know where the career is just starting to pop you know everything is coming alive for him yeah he lives with brian simpson now who's oh no yeah he's funny i like him a lot he's on the show tonight too he just moved here and um you're just everyone just followed you here well it's just it's a good spot it's a good spot it's not like they're following me to the fucking desert i'm telling them this

is the best fucking place and they go there. I'm telling them this is the best fucking place. And they go there and they go, holy shit, this is the best place. And I'm like, it's the best place. What do you love about Austin? First of all, it's only a million people, which is really good. Like you think it's like, wow, it's just kind of a small town. Yeah, and everyone's nice. They're nice. They're friendly.

You get like a small town way of people interacting with each other. People wave when you drive by. There's a guy in my neighborhood, this old dude, and he's always working on his lawn. So every time I drive by, me and this guy wave to each other, and I look forward to it. I could go to work another way. There's other ways to go, but I go that way every time, hoping that I'm going to see my neighbor so I could wave at him. I have fucking neighbors in California. I was next to him for 10 years.

I don't even know their name. We didn't even talk to each other. There's something nice about a neighbor. And also, like, Texas, there's some sort of weird small-town warmth here. I do feel it a little bit. People are friendly. People are friendly, and they're smart. And they appreciate live music.

They appreciate live comedy. and they appreciate live music they appreciate live comedy and they're not mean as far as like city attitudes go they don't really have it they have like a it's like a small town and everyone's kind of happy that they're in this cool place and then you do live comedy here and the comics come and they feel free yeah because now instead of being connected to hollywood now you're connected to podcasts so now you're connected to what's something that's got a bigger footprint it's bigger in terms of more people watch it right and then you you also don't ever have to worry about being you know kicked off nbc because you know you said a cunt joke you know and someone filmed it it's it's a different world're going to have to adapt or they're going to die. I mean, that's really the truth of it.

They'll be able to do family-friendly, family-oriented shit if they want to do that. But that's all they're going to be able to do is the problem. I mean, I get it. Look, I love New York. I can't defend it. I'm a New York City kid through and through. I'll always live there.

But it's insane, dude. I mean, it's like the best like my neighborhood right now upper west side it dies down early it's a lot of old people it's all people in my building you know but uh i mean there's no bodegas open late there's like two around me late very few so there's like no people you go down to the west village lower east side it's holy shit dude it's you better fucking have your martial arts ready because dudes are going to be in your fucking face it's it's kind of it's like a video game you feel like you're playing gta5 or something it's kind of fun really yeah you're kind of dodging people it's

kind of keeps you alert you know so there's a lot more aggressive people it's aggressive dude it's fucking weird it's tough it feels like a whole city that just like won't behave if because you're on top of each other they all feel like your roommates a little bit but is it worse post-pandemic oh my god yeah much worse yeah dude yeah every every downtown in the country's worse like i was just in pittsburgh i was in salt lake i mean all these downtowns i'm like this is a fucking disaster because they don't that's where the offices were yeah and no one goes into their office anymore so downtown is just bad now throughout the country every downtown is not good fuck so i mean but then again like i go on the road i don't want to stay off some fucking highway i'm staying downtown because i want to take walks i'm a city kid i like walking right so um it's it's a vibe for sure like new New York City, I love it.

But yeah, I'm a woman late at night. Like you better walk that woman to the door. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's some shit. Yeah. But it's also like, hey man, good art comes out of bad shit. Taxi driver, right?

A lot of good movies. Yeah, there's probably going to be a lot of great comedy out of people getting robbed. Just get that iPhone ready, dude. Yeah. It's probably going to be a lot of great comedy out of people getting robbed. Just get that iPhone ready, dude. Yeah, it's tricky. The other thing I like about this place is that, we were talking about before, that it's a blue city surrounded by a red state. I love that, yeah. It keeps it in check. Sure.

You know, there's something about that. And it's just this whole town. It's like Texas itself is a very rebellious place and this is where Kinison started and this is where Bill Hicks started sure and there's something about that that's like that's it's baked into their appreciation for comedy I mean those guys put Texas on the map as far as comedy because people thought about comedy they thought of New York thought of LA maybe San Francisco

maybe Chicago Boston for sure but they didn't think of Houston and two of the best of all time came out of Houston Houston's a great

comedy city and also you look at the you can tell they're Texas comics because religion is such a big part of both their acts

and you feel that that's like the Texan in them I mean I connect I mean Bill Hicks is he's like the biggie smalls of comedy because the amount of work he did it's gold and he died so fucking young he's like five albums dude i think he died like 34 or something something like that pancreatic cancer and you re-listen to those albums dude those albums whenever comics call bill hicks overrated i I'm like, you're a fucking idiot. Bill Hicks is great.

And you know what's great about Bill Hicks? So many comics now with his ideology would only perform in like SF and Portland and Burlington, Vermont. That dude's doing, he's taking that act to Alabama. That's fucking cool. That's why he's bombing. He did The Road constantly oh dude the flying saucer tour when you're like he's those albums i'm dying laughing you you're listening to one of the greatest comics of all time bombing and he released this for us he's fucking bombing he's

he's calling the crowd dumb yeah and it's not like just some comic who's it's a great comic calling crowds dumb there's something beautiful about that he's so fucking angry on stage but it was like beautiful anger it was earned anger well everything was interesting even if he was bombing what he was saying was interesting brilliant yeah it was just in that was like one of his tenets of comedy is even if you're not gonna be funny be interesting he was lenny bruce for I listen to Lenny Bruce and I'm like it's a little it doesn't resonate for me I understand that he's brilliant I understand we that we need him but like Bill Hicks was like that for guys like us you're like we he made it he made it cool you know he made you feel like a hack like you were just telling

jokes and he was up there talking about young man on acid thought he could fly you know What about positive drug stories? Yeah, that's a brilliant brilliant bit. It's a brilliant bit It's a pro drug bit from a guy who was clean and sober at the time You know he's talking about the great times that he had what he's doing drugs. I Mean it was also everything was so well worded. It was so smart You know it was it was just a completely interesting kind of comedy and it changed so many people's way of comedy to the point where the punch line in atlanta

when you had performed there in the green room somebody wrote on the green room quit trying to be hicks yeah yeah he had his rules of comedy and he also some of them i'm like all right he was like never ask the crowd how they're doing i'm like that one's all right we can get we can do that that's fine so many people imitated him was what the point of quit trying to be Hicks was. Of course. They were all trying to do that. They were all trying to be him. You know, and they would go on stage with some fucking half baked point about the government or taxes or something. you miss what the beauty of them was, is that Hicks at his core was silly and funny. And when he got self-righteous, that's kind of when he lost me sometimes.

When he was like kind of condescending to the crowd, I was kind of like, I don't love this as much as when you're just doing great jokes. Like, I love the bit he does. I love, you know, it's in his half hour on HBO and he's like, I hate when, I love watching people in Aspen smoke cigarettes, not knowing they're done inhaling. And he does the act out and he's like, I hate when, he's like, I love watching people in Aspen smoke cigarettes, not knowing they're done inhaling. And he does the act out and he just keeps blowing

because of the smoke and it's like, that's a great fucking bit. That's a silly observational joke. And you're like, oh, that dude was great at political stuff, social commentary, religious stuff, but then he could just do a fucking observational bit. He's one of the all-time greats. So when people write him off as being overrated, I...

It's all in the context of time. You have to think about it that way. If you go and listen to Lenny Bruce, it doesn't make any sense to us because everything has already been understood and covered. Like all the things that he's talking about that are groundbreaking. Back then, people were like, what is... Oh, my God, what is happening? This guy's breaking down society.

No one can do this. No one had done that before, but now everybody does it. So when you hear him do it, and then the things he's saying, the world has moved on so much from 1963 to today that it's impossible to, like, it's impossible to, he still had some jokes that work today he had one joke he goes you know it's against the law to be homosexual so what do they do they put you in jail with a bunch of men who want to have sex with you it's a great bit it's a great bit and that's a bit from like what 65 or something that's the thing it's like it's like watching basketball in the 60s and you're like seeing chamberlain and you're like well there's no jordan without this shit exactly you know who's jordan carlin prior right yeah so you got to take prior also i love that he was like a cool jew like so often like jews are like oh boy i'm fucking

i love when how often did cool jews pop up and show but like he's one of the coolest one of the coolest elliot gould i was like grateful for for Elliot Gould I'm like guys like that and I'm like well you're not just doing the aw shucks my fucking I'm so nervous

and I have allergies I'm like no be fucking be like be yourself be cool is Jeff Goldblum Jewish I don't know

his name is Jewish it's fuck it's a Jewish name he's a cool guy he's a very cool guy that's what I was gonna get to great fucking actor

he's a smart science guy I've been re-watching Larry Sanders and he's so fucking funny oh he's great and everything that's a great show he's great as the scientist in jurassic park yes he's jewish there you go cool jewish guy cool jew yeah but but lenny bruce was like he was a he was a real pioneer like there was no other i mean there was mort saw who's doing political but he doesn't get his shine no he just passed away i mean he he's like all yeah yeah mort's all didn't get his shine because he doesn't get his shine. No. He just passed away. I mean, he's like-

Mortsall. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Mortsall didn't get his shine. Because he was so of his time, like the guy holding the newspaper. Right. And like Lenny Bruce broke through, whereas Mortsall, I guess,

you know what the problem is? Sometimes you live too long. You ain't Che Guevara if you live till fucking 78. Right. You're Che Guevara when you die in your prime. Right. And your young picture is shown everywhere. Right. But when you live too long sometimes, it. And your young picture is shown everywhere. Right.

But when you live too long sometimes, it ain't as cool. Yeah, it's not as cool. So a guy like Lenny Bruce died in the most romantic way possible. Heroin overdose on the bathroom floor. Yeah. That's what you want from that kind of hero. You want to go out like Hendrix or Janis Joplin. That's when you become fucking this shit.

I mean, Bill Hicks, too. Like, who knows? Maybe he would have had a shitty podcast. Maybe he would have been great. Who the fuck knows how would have had a shitty podcast maybe he would have been great who the fuck knows how people age right I think he would have been great

he would have been great he was never not I don't think damn imagine if he had like a HBO show where he just did almost like Bill Maher style where he just did that

you're like whoa that'd be fucking cool huh do you know who had a great story about him Carrot Top really because Bill used to make fun of him

in Carrot Top's act or in Bill Hicks' act he'd make fun of carrot top brother and he had this bit about uh he goes yeah carrot top is for people who think he goes uh gallagher's too heady it's just a prop joke yeah and um carrick scott carrot top is a fucking sweetheart of a guy. I heard he's the man. He's so cool. And I always felt like he got fucked with for no reason. Like his act is funny. It's funny shit.

But he was always like a punchline to comedians. Like he was not one of us, not a real comic. Fuck him. And it was always like people would shit all over Carrot Top. I don't think Norm did him any favors in that interview and he just kept trashing him because norm was so cool that i think like when you see a guy as cool as norm doing that right i think it hurts well it hurts if you're sensitive right like if you're a comic and someone's trashing you it should be funny yeah there should be some humor to it you know what I mean yeah but sometimes guys get isolated and he was very

Scott's very isolated you know he's out there in the world on his own not really connected to comics in the same way so Hicks

before he died was really sick and he came to one of Scott's shows so Carrot Top's doing a show

and Hicks came to the show and hung he wanted those last few months to last forever. He's like, I thought you hated me. He goes, no, man, I don't fucking hate you. It's just jokes. I'm sorry.

That's a big thing that people miss, too, is that, like, most of the time we're fucking around. Like, do we really hate anyone, any of us? Like, I'm too fucking, I'm too old to fucking hate anyone any of us like i'm too fucking i'm too old to fucking hate anyone dude i'm not interested i don't i don't want that real estate in my body i would rather not even think about the person than hate them i'm not hate is too strong a feeling you don't want to carry that around man i've carried that around in my life it's not fun it's all consuming it's bad also like hey man like most people aren't evil most people you like spend some time with like you get to know

Me like they got their own shit. I I don't want I don't want beef with people. I'm too fucking old It's like necessary. Yeah, not necessary, and you should avoid it whenever possible and the people that don't avoid it I'm like okay. Well. That's you that's what you that's the game. You're playing. It's the life You're living yeah, you're just gonna get mad at stuff all the to get mad at stuff all the time. Yeah. Mad at people all the time. Constantly in conflict. Like, good luck. I'm not interested in that. No. I see what it is.

Like, we could all go that way. Anyone can go that way. You make choices. And if you want to be that fucking person that's always in beef with people, take care and good journeys to you. It's going to take years off your life. It's also, it's like, it's a giant distraction. It's a resource hog.

It takes away from things that you really want to do yeah it takes away from things that are actually meaningful and important to you yeah you know and there's there's certain people that are fighting things that are just fights you know if you're trying to take out marine land i get it you know you know i mean yeah like uh i have a friend who's been involved in a lawsuit with Marineland for how many years now? At least 10 years. At least 10 years. He was a trainer at Marineland, and he exposed the horrific treatment of the dolphins and the walruses and shit like that. And he's still involved in it right now.

Walrus Whisperer. He's a great dude. That's a different kind of hate. That's the kind of hate you gotta carry around with you like you gotta task try and take out

an evil organization that's torturing intelligent marine life yes not good to do that that's different you shouldn't torture animals

yeah that's what you're doing if you have a fucking killer whale in a swimming pool you're torturing it yeah and it's probably

smarter than you although it's kind of the equivalent of like a studio apartment in New York. Let's be real. Yeah, but you can get out of your studio apartment if you so choose. If the whale only slept in that little pond, fine. Fair enough. Yeah.

It's a fucking shitty existence, man. They're so smart, too. No, elephants, too, when they're in those cages in the zoos. You're like, yeah, it is cruelty to animals. They need their exercise. Pull up his thing, man, because something's happening with his case right now. I think he's been involved in this lawsuit for 10 years. I'd have to say this is good fucking whiskey.

I know it's my whiskey, but I fucking like it. I'm into it. I got into scotch for a while. What's your scotch? I don't know. I have a kind I like, but I like the old stuff. So Phil Demers, that's my homie, and it says I can confirm that my trial. It's Walrus Whisperer on Twitter and also on Instagram, I think.

Yeah. I can confirm that my trial versus Marineland will be open to the public. It's been a long decade, but I have Marineland exactly where I want them. I'm the captain now. Hell yeah. Yeah, see, that's some hate.

I don't think it's a bad thing to keep that hate. It's hate for a greater good. I think people know now because of Blackfish, you know, and seeing... The cove is another one. Well, the cove is actually wild dolphins that they slaughter.

In Taiji, right? Yeah, that's a different situation, but also horrific. But it's still horrible. Horrific, but it's not captive. The captive whale and dolphin industry is creepy as fuck. Those things are really goddamn smart. They just can't manipulate their environment the way we do. They have dialects. They have can't manipulate their environment the way we do. You know, they have dialects.

They have a language that we don't understand. They have some sort of complex social structure. They travel, like, and they communicate with sound. They move through 3D space underwater. They just don't need thumbs, so they don't have houses. They go where the water's warm. They're smart as fuck.

They just didn't need to evolve all the things that we need to evolve to survive in the above water world right? So they are the dominators of their world the killer whales have been running shit in the ocean forever Till we started scooping them up and putting them in fishing tanks. I mean imagine what that's like Imagine what that's fucked up. It's crazy. I think of it too sometimes when I even eat like veal I'm like did I even eat like veal I'm like did I need to get veal that wasn't prepared

in a nice way it was not prepared in a nice way it's a tortured soul you're dealing with a baby that's tied up in a pin yeah a little pen

like so it can't move it's body so it has not good no muscle tissue yeah yeah yeah

but then again you know is it better to live until you're a cow someone kills you or is it better if they kill you when you're a baby i think i think more life is better more real life yeah more life being tortured in a pen is not real life. That's true. It's just the food industry is what's fucked. You know, if you buy sustainable beef from a grass-fed rancher who takes care of his cows and treats them well, and then they have one bad moment in their whole life, and this is the sort of agreement that you and the cows have. They go out like Pesci and Goodfellas.

Quick. They barely see it coming. Well, they don't even see it coming at all. They put that bolt to their head. Yeah. And they just instantly brain them. Yeah. The one that, No Country for Old Men, Javier.

Javier Bardem. Oh, my God, that guy's a monster. Great fucking movie. He's the best. He's one of the best serial killers in a movie ever. The Coen brothers just fucking rule. They rule. They fucking, they're like, we're like, we don't deserve them.

I mean, dude. Oh, brother, where art thou? Fuck, that's a good movie. Do you ever hear the story that clooney like that scene where he sings he thought he nailed it and they and they're so polite they're like we're gonna go with an audio thing we're like you don't and he's like oh man but i was like man clooney is like he's like our carrie grant where he can be like silly but he's also like kind of like a hot guy right right clo right. Clooney just fucking, oh, that's a great fucking movie. Fargo is one of my all-time.

John Turturro. Goddamn. And that dude? Tim Blake Nelson. Tim Blake Nelson is this new movie, Old Henry. Have you seen Old Henry?

I heard it's incredible. It's fucking great. There's like a new movement for like Western type movies. They're like bringing the Western back, which I think is cool. That one's legit.

I'm going to watch it. Norman actually was raving about that one. I got to watch it. Dude, was raving about that one i gotta watch it dude the cone brother fargo is like one of the best movies of all time i think it really is that's a masterpiece it's a masterpiece that's like a modern uh i mean fucking steve that's old henry oh damn look at it's fucking good dude it's a good movie a good western stuff to be i love them they're so american yeah it's so american it's such a brief moment in history, too.

If you think about the time period that people, like, traveled to the West and all that lawlessness was going on, you're not dealing with more than 100 years. I know, but that was like their Marvel movies. Yeah. Like the 60s and 70s, or I guess 40s through whatever, like my darling Clementine through, like, fucking Unforgiven, I guess, you know? If you want to read about it in this state, there's a fucking amazing book called Empire of the Summer Moon. It's all about the Comanches. I've heard of this.

Yeah. The Comanches were the, that was the big, the big border to penetrating to the rest of the West. Yeah. It was getting through the Comanches in Texas. Nobody wanted to do it. So what they started doing was giving people land. They would give people land in Oklahoma. Like, hey, have all this land.

And what they were basically doing was putting bait out. And then the Comanches would attack those people and kill them. And then they would get the soldiers to come in and attack the Comanches. And they would make war. And they were trying to control this one tribe that they couldn't control. And for fucking 200

years, they dominated all of the southwest damn they were just the first ones to really figure out horseback riding and horseback riding and raising horses they knew how to gel their their their stallions they knew how to like raise horses correctly and ride them and so they figured out how to do archery from horseback crazy and so they're shooting the balance balance. Imagine the balance alone. They would carry their arrows in between their fingers and just go one, two, three, four. And these other people had muskets. And so they're trying to like pack these muskets.

So they were murdering everybody. So no one can cross. They couldn't get through this part of the world. So they ran, especially like right here where we are. They find arrowheads all over the place out here. All these people that have ranches out here, they all find arrowheads. It's so funny what it was and what it became.

Like you think, I think about that, the Alamo, like the madness that went down here. And now it's just like a fat dude in a fanny pack. You know, it's just like, this is crazy.

New balances on. Walking around the Alamo. Yeah. It is crazy. It's crazy because you think this was not that long ago. I know. In terms, if you go to Europe, right, you can go to a bar that's a thousand years old. Like this is crazy. It's crazy because you'd think this was not that long ago. I know. In terms, if you go to Europe, right, you can go to a bar that's 1,000 years old. Like, this is crazy.

So cool. People were drinking here 1,000 years ago. If you're here, a couple hundred years ago, there was a wild tribe on horseback running shit right here. While Paris is being built and while, you know, London is this beautiful city of splendor, right here, Comanches. It's crazy. Yeah, we're not that old a country. I mean, people don't think it. It's pretty crazy.

We're so young, dude. Yeah. We're so young. And this particular area is just like soaked with this weird, wild history of chaos. A violent history. Violence. Yeah. Yeah, so much violence in this part of the world.

This was like to get across this country and to establish cities everywhere, it had to be violence. This is like so much violence involved in the creation of this country. But now we get taco trucks, so it's kind of worth it, you know? I guess.

It's kind of cool. I guess. I mean, I wouldn't want to go back to that. No. What do you want to go back to that. No. What do you want to be, in a wagon? Fucking hoping that you get through the trail before they find you? I know I'm one of, if it's a movie, I'm one of the first to go. No question.

I'm one of the dudes who's like, yeah, I'm that dude. I feel like you'd survive for a while. Scene one, I'm the dude that's fucking out. They're going to get you. You know what the Comanches would do? They would, in the middle of the night, they would cut your horses loose. And they would scare them off. And they'd start yeeping and hollering and shooting guns off.

And the horses would run away. And then you'd be stuck in the desert with no horses. And they would follow you for days and watch you just die slowly. They would just follow you just far enough so they could watch. And they'd just follow you for days. We wandered around trying to find something to eat, trying to get water. Can't even get like a Luna bar or nothing. You can't get shit.

Just fucking dying. There's nothing out here, bro. Nothing. Just plains. You're dead. If you go to like some parts of Texas, it's just flat and dry forever. Imagine you're walking that and there's the Comanches from like six or seven hundred yards away. Yeah.

You're seeing them on top of a ridge watching you die slowly. Not good. They tortured people too. Nobody would ever surrender because they assumed that you would torture them. So like they didn't have surrender. It wasn't like the British like, okay, you got us. I'm out. There's none of that.

You fought to the death because if you lived, they did the most horrific shit possible. Yeah. And the guy who wrote that book did a fantastic job of explaining some of the methods of torture

that they used to use. They used to cut people's arms and legs off and then throw them on the fire while they were still alive. So they just hacked their arms off,

hacked their legs off and then throw them on the fire and watch them wiggle around there and they would laugh. They would eat them. They'd eat pieces of them.

Lower bar for entertainment back then. Man, some wild shit happened with Native American tribes and they did it to each other too. Yeah. It wasn't just like they all got along until we came. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

They were constantly raiding. It's so common to hate your neighbor. Isn't it? You're just like, I'm from New York, you're in Boston. Boo. Yeah, boo boo fuck you

i took an amtrak it's not that far you know like you hate me tribalism sure it's one of the worst aspects of a community tribalism you know it's texas versus texas a&m yeah it's everywhere texas versus the world here yeah there's t-shirts that says that says Texas versus all y'all. Some of the, it's a little mush. I was in Nashville and there was a shirt I saw that was a, it was a flag.

I said, if this flag pisses you off, then like, get the fuck out. And I'm like, are you running into a lot of pushback in Nashville

with that shirt? You might be all right. Yeah, you're preaching to the choir there, bro. I don't think anyone's really pissed off. That's just like

a right wing virtue signal. That's all that is. Yeah. It's really pissed off. That's just like a right wing virtue signal. That's all that is. Yeah. It's a virtue signal. Everyone's, they virtue signal on both sides, I would say. Yeah, but I mean like. Everyone's annoying. But wearing that, like if this flag pisses you off, like are you trying to find people that are pissed off?

Yes, you're trying to fight people. That is literally, that is like a mating call for let me kick your ass. That is being like, and like literally everyone's like, oh no, I like the country. It's a weird thing with some people that the flag became bad. The flag represents evil. The flag, American flag represents like the evil empire of the military industrial complex and unchecked capitalism and cruelty and greed and fuck you. Fuck you if you support America.

Like that's so crazy. I support America, but it does feel aggressive when someone just texts me an American flag emoji. I'm like, what is that? That's what you're getting from me from now on. Every fucking text I send for you from now on. I'm excited. I'm excited to get it. It is weird right because it's it's one of the things that like there's that really

gullible like narrow-minded right-wing uh caricature sure you know that we all like like the the people with the fucking trump flags and get the fuck out of my country those type of people right those are real humans. They really do exist. And if you give them a thing, like a flag, and they use that flag all the time, then everybody else wants to use the flag. No, I think the flag is like,

look at all these fucking cool, creative people that came out of this one place that was an experiment in self-government. And yeah, it's not perfect, but it's better than anywhere else. And we're a community here. And we should think about each other as a community here. No, you gotta be, but it's better than anywhere else. Sure. And we're a community here. We should think about each other as a community here. No. You got to be, but you're attached to this guy.

And this guy's like, fucking if you ain't white, you ain't right. You know, he's got this. I'm like, you might have taken it too far here. Yeah. But he's also got American flags and he likes Confederate flags. It's a sign of respect for the South. You know, like those guys, they're connected with that American flag too. Yeah.

Unfortunately. Let go of the Confederate flag. Look, I'm a Knicks fan. I also stubbornly support losers, but let's take a tack a notch. I do think it's like, you know, the Trump stuff, I was just reading the thing about how he's a malignant narcissist,

which is that he- No way. Trump is not- You think so? Trump is not a narcissist? Really? You fucking believe me. I heard heard it i know for a second i can't tell that's that's amazing i know that was it was you're a good actor you're doing news radio you're a good actor it's been a while dude uh but

i was like what is i don't even know what a malignant narcissist is and i was reading about it and was like oh you only like people who like you and i was like yeah that sounds like every entertainer i've ever met we're all malignant narcissists what do you like people don't like you that sounds weird i mean like in relationships sure but not in my friendships you know we who was it that explained to us the different types of narcissists there was some, one of our guests explained that there's two different kinds of narcissists and they were trying to classify it. Was it Sorgura? Was it Tom? But they were trying to explain like the kind of narcissism. There's different kinds of narcissism. There's even Keith Campbell breaks down the different, oh, it's Keith Campbell.

That's what it is. that was this was this was one and then there was another one that was more recently what's he saying give him a run let's hear what he says clean stuff or steals extra food people don't like that they'll just kill them I mean they'll just go have a hunting accident if you're in if you're kind of the dick and the in the uh hunter-gatherer Society they'll take you out and they'll just go have a hunting accident. If you're kind of the dick in the hunter-gatherer society, they'll take you out and you just won't come back because they just don't want you. So narcissism gets weeded out in those places. But when things get unstable and things are uncertain, people who are narcissistic can get a lot of resources and do really well. So sometimes they do well, which keeps it around. And obviously in big societies, you can become powerful enough to

hire henchmen and hire a PR agent, and you can kind of build your own status and do a lot more than you can in the hunter-gatherer group where everyone knows you. What is narcissism? When you define it, what is your definition of narcissism? So it gets a little more complicated. When we're talking like this, I'm talking about grandiose narcissism, and that's a basic trait. There's more than one kind of narcissism. Yes, yeah. I'll step back. So when we talk about narcissism in the psychological literature, we're talking about three different things that are related.

The first of these is narcissistic personality, and this is a trait, meaning that people go from a high level to a low level. It's not a clinical disorder. And then this trait, when it's grandiose, we say grandiose narcissism, it's this combination of sense of entitlement and the sense of superiority, but also you get extroversion and drive and ambition. Call it agentic extroversion. So somebody who's driven and extroverted, but also a little bit self-centered and antagonistic and entitled. So that combination of traits, kind of a prima donna or, you know, overconfident or cocky or whatever you want to call it that's what we talk about is grandiose narcissism and that's just a like it's a normal trait um there's another form

of narcissism which we don't talk about as much in the normal world but that's vulnerable narcissism and these are the folks that are kind of think they're really important think they should be getting a lot of attention think they're the smartest people in the room, but no one really looks at them, no one pays attention to them. So they get insecure, they get depressed, their self-esteem drops, they think, why aren't I getting the attention I deserve? I'm kind of a legend. It's a legend in their own minds.

So you're talking about it's like basement narcissists, living in their mom's basement, thinking how great they are and fantasizing about it. And those more vulnerable folks, you don't see at the bars as much because they're in the basement, but you see them clinically because they're depressed and they go see a clinician and say, help me out, I'm anxious. So those are the two normal forms of narcissism, their traits. And then there's this clinical form or psychiatric form called narcissistic personality disorder, or psychiatric form called narcissistic personality disorder NPD and that personality form of personality disorder form of narcissism is an extreme form of

narcissism you have a high level of it you know like Trump or you know a lot of pale celebrities or you know academics but you also to make it a clinical disorder you have to have that impairment we're talking about so it has to be clinically significant impairment and that's usually the narcissism is so bad your your marriage your relationships are falling apart your work life could be falling apart so sometimes you find narcissistic really successful people in offices who are narcissists but they they kind of destroy the office culture they They're just bad workers.

And so you can destroy that. You can make really poor decisions because your ego is so big. You just overinvest in something, and it just doesn't work out for you. So you start dysregulating your financial decisions so you can make kind of those kind of mistakes. The big ones are usually interpersonal. But when you have that kind of impairment, it can be a disorder, and then you get treated for it. The vulnerable personality disorder usually interpersonal. But when you have that kind of impairment, it can be a disorder, and then you get treated for it. The vulnerable personality disorder is fascinating.

Yeah. That's a fascinating one. Because this is weird. I'm hearing me doing me. I think we got it. Yeah, well, that was very well spoken. He's a real doctor. I mean, that's like most people we know.

Yeah. I mean, clinical, that's maybe a little far from most people we know. The vulnerable one's the one that irks me the most. Oh, my God. The inc know. Yeah. I mean, clinical, that's maybe a little far for most people we know. The vulnerable one's the one that irks me the most. Oh my God, the incels. Yeah. The dudes who are jacking off too much,

who are living in their mom's basement, who are like calling people ugly on Twitter. That's like, I'm like, chill out, dude. Take a fucking break. Love yourself. It's hard.

What do you do if you're an incel? Imagine you're a counselor. You shave the middle of your eyebrow like I did. That's all you have to do. That's what you do. And you're out. You just laser it so you don't have to shave it anymore. That way you don't get... I should, yeah.

If you're an incel, what kind of advice would anyone give to an incel that would work? Like if you have terrible genetics and fucked up life experience. Join a dodgeball league or some fucking... Even if you suck, you'll make make friends just get out of the fucking house Yeah, but incel is involuntary celibate just getting out of the house not gonna get you laid That's true, but you make friends and you're cool enough You'll get laid based on your personality if you have a good enough personality women will fuck you certain But women can look past shit that we can't what about but dudes have terrible personalities that are in cells

That's part of work on it. You can work on your personality Yeah, I think so advice would you give an insult just fucking put your dick down for a second? We the book show said about the West bring it up at cocktail parties. I don't know No, just fucking just get out there. You can do it. I think you could do it I think it's tough, but you could do it Don't you think you think you're just destined to a life of jacking off in a basement? I think there's more out there for them. I think become good at something. I think you have to deal with each individual case on an individual basis. That's true. I think some people are kind of doomed. They just got the

worst case of all the bad luck and a lot of bad life experiences. And they don't have the tools to get out of it. And then they're stuck in an environment where everyone around them is also negative and fucked up. And they don't have any examples of anybody around them that they could follow that. That are positive. Yeah, that's a big part of being a person is who the fuck are you around? It's very hard to be positive if everyone around you is negative. It's very hard to be ambitious.

But you also might be attracting those people with your personality if you're so negative. Sure, but you might have grew up that way. The problem is the people that are stuck. They're in the same town where they grew up and they grew up in this negative way. For sure. Yeah. It's just. I mean, that's why I like good role models, man.

You need them. Be a good role model to someone. You see someone flailing a little bit, you could help them out. That's true. You saw me with my neck earlier and you fucking helped me out, so I appreciate it. I wish I helped you out before you got it operated on. I know, I stink. There's stem cell clinics that can really help you.

I'm fucking stupid, yeah. Tony Hinchcliffe was ready to get an operation. Really? He had stem cells injected in his neck and now it's 100%. It doesn't bother him at all anymore. It would be so bad with him that he couldn't sit down when he was doing Kill Tony. Oh, no. He would have to, like, lean up on one leg because he had to kind of keep his neck straight.

Like, if he just hung there like that, it would just be excruciating pain. Damn. And he was thinking, fuck, I'm going to have to get it operated on. Got stem cells. I just don't want to ever get an operation because I don't want to take time off the road. I like that lifestyle. How much time did you have to take off? I didn't take any off.

I was just in horrible pain on the road every week. It's been like the last, you know, it's been a while, but, you know, you just learn to like live with the pain. Did you take any anti-inflammatories or anything for it? I was, you know, muscle relaxers here and there. But the problem is I like to drink and that shit stays in your system. So I would be like, well, you know, I've had a and there. But the problem is I like to drink, and that shit stays in your system. So I don't.

I would, like, well, you know, I've had a few drinks, and I feel pretty good right now. And you learn to just kind of live with it, I think. Just deal with it. Yeah, you just kind of learn to live with a little bit of pain. How did it get hurt initially? I would play a lot of basketball. I'm sure that jerked it out. I also probably didn't do enough weights.

And I just would always play ball in the park. And I think, like, at a certain point, 6'3", my my weight like you're gonna jerk something out you know yeah but I love basketball it's just the best do you still play a lot now or I will I'll get I'll get back to it at a certain point it's I just started a podcast with Julian Edelman from the Patriots and uh it's so humiliating changing next to him when we have to like when we're doing episodes like we're literally changing next to each other I'm like this dude's triceps have triceps and i have to get like i'm in my underwear next to him like like wow that's a real wake-up call about your body when you're next to like a patriot legend yeah no kidding that's a huge human oh dude he's such a bad he's

only jewish superbowl mvp by the way really badass yeah i mean he's a fucking beast and he's such a bad, he's only Jewish Super Bowl MVP, by the way. Really? Badass. Yeah, I mean, he's a fucking beast, and he's the best dude. I mean, just like the nicest guy. How many podcasts are you doing now? I do one with Mark Norman. We might be drunk. Well, we get drunk a lot. And then I do this one with Julian. This is brand new called Games with Names,

and we recap the greatest sports games in history. And the first episode's Eli Manning and Teddy Bruschi from the Giants versus Patriots. He's getting a lot of shit for doing the Patriot loss as the first episode. But then we had like Adrian Peterson and Jared Zebranski for the second one, Fiesta Bowl. Like the guests are fucking insane.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's so fun. It's just like, if you're a sports fan, you'll love it. We've got Paul Pierce, I think episode four. A lot of great athletes. I love sports. That's that's awesome so you do just those two yeah yeah we did you have another one before I had a basketball with Stavros who's like one of my best friends still one of my best friends

Stavros is the funniest human being maybe I know like insanely funny that's awesome he's his new YouTube special is incredible. I haven't seen it. I've heard good things about him, but I haven't seen any of his acts. He's a beast. I keep hearing good things though. He makes me laugh so fucking hard.

He's just like, he's a character. He's one of one, man. Like I went to his apartment recently. He's just like on his terrace, cooking me up like calamari. He's such a Greek man. He's just the best dude. I love him. Like he, I love him. We him we were just you know we were both overworking ourselves we need a break but we'll probably we'll start up again at some point maybe you know i just love that guy yeah it's hard when you start doing

a lot of them too and you have to coordinate with other people's schedules so hard yeah like theo does like three or four different podcasts and he's just always moving around and it's like man it's a lot well the one with julian we can do like 12 in like two weeks and he's just always moving around and it's like man it's a lot well the one with julian we can do like 12 in like two weeks and then i'm out for a while so that's why it's perfect for me but yeah the other ones where you're like hey we need two this week i'm like oh fuck i got a thing i'm on the road i'm in you know i'm in cleveland or whatever mark norman's in pittsburgh we're like trying to court. And we're like, fuck, those are hard for sure. And when you guys do it, do you do audio and video? Yeah.

Oh, we do. We only do episodes in studio, but, uh, but occasionally on the road, we'll do like a Patreon or something. We'll just shoot the shit from our weird hotel rooms. And I'm like, I could see where Mark is. Like I see his L shaped, uh, couch on the road and, you know, we're just shooting the shit. And, uh, but in our studio is awesome you

know we do like uh you know we have a full bar so we have bartenders we have a bartender in studio we call him the beer jew he looks like eli roth and glorious bastards uh and and we uh he just makes us like cocktails we've never heard of like it'll be like corpse survivor number four some weird prohibition so we learn about a drink we've never had, and we get fucked up. It's fun as hell. We just had Bill Burr on. He was so good.

The guests are amazing, man. If you're ever in New York City and you want to have a drink with us, it's fun. That sounds like fun. I'll do it. It's a good time. All right, man. Well, thanks for being here.

It was a lot of fucking fun. It was really great to finally meet you. Yeah, great talking to you too. I love what you're doing. I love how much content you put out there. I love that you're so into stand-up. It was really great to finally meet you. Yeah, great talking to you too. And I love what you're doing. I love how much content you put out there. I love that you're so in a stand-up. It's just great. I love it.

You too, man. You're a funny motherfucker. I appreciate you. And tell everybody what's your Instagram handles and all that stuff. My Instagram is just Sam Morrill, S-A-M-M-O-R-R-I-L. And the special is Same Time Tomorrow. It's on Netflix right now. And thank you so much.

Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.