The Joe Rogan Experience - #1882 - Iliza Shlesinger

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

Iliza Shlesinger is a comedian, actor, writer, and host of the podcast "Ask Iliza Anything." Her new book, "All Things Aside: Absolutely Correct Opinions," and her new Netflix special, "Hot Forever," both premiere on October 11. www.iliza.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. This room and office have gotten more and more Texas. Has it? Yes. How so? Well, I thought that was a jackalope, but it's not. It's probably...

It's a mule deer. That you ran down yourself and strangled. No, I just shot it. I thought it was a jackalope, which is a mule deer. That you ran down yourself and strangled. No, I shot it. I thought it was a jackalope, which is a very Texas thing. But it's, you know, you've got the Mexican sugar skulls, and then you've got a lot of, I think, do you have a picture of Willie Nelson somewhere? No. Okay.

He probably should. You need to. I'm sure he owned this land at some point. You've got like the, it's that very desert, conspiracy, alien, rugged. It's like a convergence of a lot of Texas things. And it's very tight. I'm from here. I get it.

Even the Joe Rogan experience sign looks like a movie theater gas station marquee. Yeah, that was actually a gift by a friend of mine. I believe it. And so when he gave it to me, I was like, that would be perfect. Like right behind me. Right behind you. So people know what they're looking at. Yeah.

Yeah. It's cool. It's the Joe Rogan experience, baby. What's going on with you? How you living? Large. Large, but toned. Toned.

Living toned. That's the girl answer. Like large, not taking up too much space, but I'm owning it. Yeah. Girls don't want to live large, right? You don't want to say large. I get unless you're say large i get unless you're like that's yeah that's the frame you want to be taking up metaphysical space but also toned unless it's big girl summer big yo i'm all for a big girl summer i'm all for a gross girl summer i'm all for no one actually cares gross girl summer no

one's actually tried that have they i don't think you have to try. I think you just are Gross Girl. Right. And you just be like... You just don't bring it up. Don't bring it up. And just exist in your cave and be like, I'm just Gross Girl, enjoying my cheese. So your book's out? My book, which I gave you a copy of.

Yeah. You leave it in the bathroom? No, no. It's on the bookshelf out there. My book, All Things Aside, Absolutely Correct Opinions, Collection of Personal Essays is out on October 11th. The same day as my Netflix special, Hot Forever. Excited?

I'm pumped. Yeah? Like many comics, I flew here to do this and then booked a bunch of stuff around it. Thanks for the bracelets. Thank you. I'm surprised they fit. They do. They're stringy. They are stringy. They have elastic. But like I said, I thought, I think of putting a bracelet on you like a really vascular wolf.

And I thought the beads would just go everywhere. So give them to your daughters when you're done stretching them out. I will. I'll give them to them. They'll be mad that I wore it. Because you've got like gross dad juices on it. Yeah, it smells like a man. The worst is, I will say, now that I'm a mother,

my husband is a father, I've noticed the bites he takes of my food when I share with him are like big dad bites. Like nothing will infuriate a little girl more than when your dad takes a bite of your food and it's like a moose hunk out of it. And you're like, it was just for a little bite because dads have big jaws.

So he takes food from you? How is this going on? I'll just be like, oh, do you want to try it? He'll be like, okay. And for a little bite, because dads have big jaws. So he takes food from you? How is this going on? I'll just be like, oh, do you want to try it? He'll be like, okay, and it will be out of a peach, and it'll be like a fucking horse bite. And I'm like, okay, well, that was half the meal. Well, he's a chef, so he probably really enjoys food. So it's normal.

Well, I don't know. I'm like, just do a deer lick. It doesn't have to be this Jurassic chomp taking half of it and I remember growing up if my dad took a bite of my ice cream it was like full camel lips over the whole thing and just lift it up you'll see ask your your kids get upset when you take a big bite of their food I don't take their food okay taking I don't take bites of their food oh really no like daddy offer they offer me something I'll take. I feel like you don't eat sugar. I eat a little bit of sugar every now and then.

Is it protein ice cream? It's like, I like treats. It's good. What kind of treat does Joe Rogan eat? I like ice cream. But you like a dark chocolate. Yeah. Yeah.

You like the least fun version. No, dark chocolate's fun. That's spoken like an anorexic woman. With hot fudge and whipped cream on it? What? So you actually like the flavor fun version. No, dark chocolate's fun. That's spoken like an anorexic woman. With hot fudge and whipped cream on it? So you actually like the flavor of dark chocolate. You like bitterness. I like a little bitterness. You should just lick a stick.

I like dark chocolate mixed with peanut butter. That's what I like. I like to take a bar of dark chocolate, like fucking 80% cacao chocolate, just dip it into peanut butter. It reminds me of, I don't want to, this is the only way I can shit on this, because I think he's great. When you look at The Rock's Instagram, I have to say this publicly, because I respect this person so much. His cheat day meals really bother me.

They're insane. They're insane, but they're not indulgent. I'm sorry. It'll be like. He has like giant pancakes and cookies. They don't look like regular pancakes. They don't? It's never like buttermilk whipped cream.

It's like protein, coconut, pineapple with like flavonoid peanut butter and then taramana tequila. Like it's never like the full indulgence and turkey bacon. That's an indulgence? He has turkey bacon? Lots of it.

I'm just like, let loose. Like, where's that block of cheese? And like an IV of chili. Well, he'll have like a giant tray of sushi. But it's garbage. Dwayne, you have millions of dollars. Like, it's Costco sushi. Really?

It just doesn't look. It's like a rainbow roll. And like, you can afford the best sushi. That's what he likes. No. No? He doesn't like it? Something's up there. You think? I just I want as

a wish fulfillment when I look at that I want to see full indulgence not like protein powered plant based peanut butter. I don't think that's what he does. Go to his Instagram. I'm waiting with this most recent one. It's in a video so he's getting to he's talking but he does have turkey it. He's talking, but there you go.

He does have turkey bacon. Okay, is this fun for you? Here's a whole family of chickens, a wheat-free corn muffin. That's what I'm saying. This is no fun. Yeah, turkey bacon is definitely not fun. I don't understand it. But, you know, I mean, that's a guy that literally makes his living off of being

lean. I hear that, but I'm saying if you go to the top, I know this one recently because this is something that I bond with my old assistant over is looking at his cheat meals. I think it's all the way at the top or, you know, I don't know where it is now. It's these pancakes that just don't look right. Dwayne The Rock Johnson, I'm calling you out. They got like peanut butter and it's like coconut. Coconut to me is one of those like sugar substitute kind of things. That's all we got here.

Look at this. That looks good. Coconut banana pancake smother with peanut butter blessed with maple syrup. That's fucking pretty indulgent. I don't know. Something about it. Because the peanut butter, you could be like, that's my protein. Something about it.

I don't know. He likes peanut butter. Maybe it's just in your head. Maybe you need to let it go. You trying to gaslight me? What is your... I'm trying to food shame this man. You trying to gaslight me? I don't think. He likes peanut butter. Maybe it's just in your head. Maybe you need to let it go. You trying to gaslight me? What is your... I'm trying to food shame this man. You trying to gaslight me?

I don't think it's food shame. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm just trying to like... I'm trying to see your perspective, but it doesn't... I'm not seeing the full caloric blast. I'm seeing... I'm just... I'm wanting to see...

That looks pretty fucking caloric. A full back of bacon. I'm wanting to see heavy whipped cream. Look at all that maple syrup. Fruit compote. You don't know... You don't see that bottle. You don't know what that is. That could be Elmer's glue and he doesn't even know. You think it's like some sugar-free maple syrup? Is that what you're thinking? I think those are keto pancakes, sugar-free agave tinted nectar, and creatine

powder mixed in with nuts. I don't think so. Looks like regular pancakes. No way. Too chunky. Something's going on. Yeah? Something's going on, Joe. I don't know. Looks normal to me. Okay. I'm a pancake guy. Well, thanks for having me. Well, there you go. In-N-Out burgers, fries, double-doubles with tequila. That looks good. It's a different meal.

Yeah, yeah. That's solid, right? You want to go full indulgence, you get those fries animal style. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the animal. You're not either, Jamie? Do you want to know the dirty secret about In-N-Out? Okay. It's this, like, iconic L.A. thing.

You live there. Yeah. There's actually only, like, three of them, and you can't go because the line is so long. So in your L.A. career, you will have eaten there maybe a little bit at the beginning, but you can't be bothered to wait in line with, like, the 4,000 teenagers in front of that high school where the one is on orange to like get your burger.

I don't know about that. I would go to L. I mean, I went to the one in Woodland Hills like once a week. Yeah, that's Woodland Hills. That's not the same density. Yeah, but I was like a valley guy. I never really lived in the city. Talking about L.A., I'm talking about Hollywood proper.

I think Hollywood proper is bad for you. It is. There's too many people. That's what I'm saying so you can't get the in and out yeah but you can just get a time it right you're like you just fly in your helicopter you land on the roof and you get your double double they're pretty efficient moving that line there's that one that's near the 101 the one near hollywood i would always hit that one on the way home from the store yeah i don't live i didn. Yeah, I don't live in Woodland Hills, so my experience is a much more congested one. I don't leave the house between the hours of 7 and 10 or 3.30 until Christmas next year.

Because there's too many humans. It's just too much. It's just too many people who don't understand urban etiquette. Too many people who don't. It's just too much. It's too congested. What's urban etiquette? When many people who don't, it's just too much. It's too congested. What's urban etiquette? When you grow up in a city knowing, like, green means go,

red means stop, yellow is maybe you go, adhering to the, like, civic laws versus, like, I'll just put my head down, open up Candy Crush, and put my foot on the gas and just go. People are just, they're just walking whenever, going whenever. Well, there's just too many humans in LA and it, you, you lose value. Like people become, they become a, they, they, they become a nuisance rather than like your community. You know, it's like, there's too many of them.

I think you have to carve out your community and you spend a lot of time and effort to find like your little chunk of a hovel of a, of a and i used to joke that everyone says la is too many people and then i was and i thought la actually is the perfect amount of people because half of them moved to austin and then a bunch of people died in the pandemic so we have to intense intense yeah we have uh it's a lot it's just everybody has a car we don't have a great public transit it's not like new york where everyone takes a public transit right so, it's a lot. It's just everybody has a car. We don't have a great public transit. It's not like New York where everyone takes a public transit. Right.

So. No, it's terrible. So when people complain about traffic in Austin, I'm like, this is a picnic. No. Love it. People that complain about traffic in Austin were born here. They don't understand what traffic is. They don't. I've seen battle.

Traffic here is a joke. I'll leave here at five o'clock and drive home easy. Oh, yeah. It's nothing. It's nothing. It's great. I was in the Uber yesterday. He's like, I apologize for the traffic. I'm like, I literally haven't.

I didn't even know. It doesn't faze me. It's all relative, though. That's why people get used to L.A.'s traffic. The worst is Orange County people. That's a fucking nightmare. Trying to get to Orange County and then try to get out of Orange County and get to L.A.? That's a joke.

Especially as a comic. It's such a specific grind because if you were going to play the Irvine Improv just for a quick gig, you have to leave at like 1 in the afternoon. Yeah. It's not technically a long drive. And then somehow, over the decade, in the 17 years I've been doing comedy, the 5 is always under construction.

You cannot get home from Orange. And kudos to them for working on it at night, not being like, let's just post up during work hours while everyone's driving. You cannot. They put you on some weird freeway that involves like a conveyor belt and a subterranean mule cart.

Like you cannot get home straight shot. Yeah. Some people are so mad in Orange County. They're like, how could she say that? Do you think you'll be in LA the rest of your life no where are you going to go I think about that I was actually just talking to another comic

who said they applied for Canadian citizenship as like an exit strategy Jesus Christ and uh I'm not going to say it just in case for some reason it was a secret now that I'm thinking it I'm not going to say it um I don't know. So everybody, first of all, is always the threat like I'm moving out of here. I'm torn between my duty as an American to stay and make this a better place. Right. Stay the first two weeks, I was like, these people get it. They understand relaxing.

They understand the value of life. This is beautiful. And by that third week, I was like, give me my fucking check. I cannot die in this cafe. Like, why is there no CVS? Why can I not buy NyQuil? I think I'm too programmed as an American to have everything when I need it and pay for the things that I need. Like my husband got really sick and we had to go to emergency room in Sweden.

And they just left him there in a room for like five hours. And part of me was like, you're doing this because he's American. But then I was like, can we call a doctor? I'll pay for a doctor as you would if you were sick. You'd have someone come. This is not. We do not do this. Socialized medicine.

But someone, I was like, what if a celebrity comes here and they need something and they're only, like we had John Cleese and he came and he just waited. So that was a question you asked? If a celebrity came? Seriously, like what if somebody who, let's say Beyonce comes and she needs like a steroid shot. Not that I'm at Beyonce's level, but here I am as an American. I'm like, I'm willing to pay for something extra because he's sick.

I'm pregnant, so I can't catch what he has. How can we speed this up? I have a show. And they were like, he can just rot in this box. And I would still move to Sweden. I really love the people. But I was, as an American that's used to being able to get what you need when you need it, that was a tough one. Yeah, I think the difference is like poor people in America probably have the experience too.

I'm going to, of course, people are going to DM this to me. They're going to be like, you're a fucking bitch. I know. I know we're teed up for that. But you could, if you had the resources and you could not make an appointment, you can call a doctor. I'm sure you've done it. And so I was looking out for the, you know, Texas, you you'll appreciate this i was looking out for the life of my fetus and i was just like how do we get him some medicine so that he's not getting even sicker he was sick for like two full weeks were you over there touring what the show's like

lit they were so the crowds were so good i did portugal i I did Sweden. I did Norway. And just one more thing. They don't have medicine the way that we do here. Like they didn't have, they don't give out drugs the way that we do. There was no NyQuil. Like they don't give out strong pharmaceutical drugs like we do. And so he couldn't take the things that he normally would take. And that was an interesting experience. So what did they give you? Some, like, Swedish sleeping pills. I don't remember what they gave him. Everything, you know, they don't, we always,

our pharmaceuticals are just, like, built into our everyday lives. Like, I, as a pregnant woman, went without any heartburn medicine, and I had to find, like, some special heartburn thing there because they don't have Tums, and it just, like, sticks in your teeth. And you're just like, I hope this works. And it did. What causes heartburn? Like, what are you getting heartburn from? because they don't have tums and it just like sticks in your teeth and you're just like i hope this works and it did what causes heartburn like what are you getting heartburn from like acid reflux like just when you're pregnant the baby everything's squished in so your food sits like you can't eat and then lay down so it just kind of builds up and so i get heartburn normally and i would just get it worse so i was just chewing on these tablets i'm blanking what they were called and they had them all over Europe. So it was just a- What the fuck is in those tablets?

Like what's in a Tums? I'll tell you what, I don't know, but my baby was born with like a grown man's head of hair. Really? Like a full head of hair and like already has like six teeth and she's eight months old. Wow. So it was those European heartburn tablets. Extra calcium, baby. So, like, if you get heartburn in America, is it diet related? Is it stress related? Like, what gives you heartburn? You don't have heartburn ever? No. I guess I don't have it as much now.

I think a lot of things can. I think for some people it is genetic. Like, what's it feel like? It feels like there's something burning coming up your throat. That happens all the time with you? When I was pregnant, I got it a lot. Do you get it like before you were pregnant? Did you get it?

There was a time where I got it a lot. And I can't tell you why, and I'm not positive why I don't get it as much now. Obviously, if you eat acidic foods like tomato sauce, any sort of nightshade, like an eggplant, maybe that'll do it. Really? Heavy, greasy food food it can do it some people have it so bad it can lead to esophageal cancer if it is wow so the irritation is constant and then it causes cancer uh for some people it can lead to that like that constant corrosion of that i mean i used to get it super bad and I also had an ENT on speed dial just because I

toured so much. So I think that's where I had like a textual relationship with my doctor. Because if you have got a gig, you've got multiple shows, you lose your voice and you need a steroid shot. So I guess that's what I mean when I talk about having those. Do you get those? I have. Really? Oh my God. I mean. Like a cortisone shot or something? Mm-hmm. And where do they put it? In your neck? Right in my tongue. No, up in your arm, in your butt, in your arm. Oh, okay. And it's a steroid shot, so you can't do more than a couple a year.

It's really, they're not good for you because it just speeds everything up. But, like, for the first day, you're just like, let's go. Like, it's like rocket fuel. Really? And then you're taking, it depends on what kind of, if it's a Z-Pak or whatever. But I've definitely had shows where, like, I cannot miss it and my voice sounds like this oh and you got to get that shot and then just like grab grab your throat and pray and so that's a normal thing for you not now for some reason i think maybe i just learned to speak better on stage i do less gobbledy voices i take better care of myself now that I'm elderly

and a mother. And I definitely don't... I never drank before I went on stage. Not my thing. But I definitely... You guys were talking about Sober October. I don't think I drink enough in the first place to even qualify participating. Bert sure does.

Yeah, Bert goes hard. We started Sober October really kind of to intervene with Bert's lifestyle. Just try to see if we could just like at least one month a year. He could do it. Yeah, he does it. Yeah. We've done it like four or five years in a row. Don't they do like weight loss challenges?

Yeah. Like him and Tyler. Yeah. It's all a part of the thing. Gain the weight and then lose it and gain the drinking. But it's part of the image too. Like what do you do when something is so part of your ethos and everything right i think a lot of like i remember i'm not gonna say the comic there's one comic i know who drinks some sort of brown liquor on stage and he was like it's iced tea like at a certain point you're like

i can't sustain this yeah oh that's that seems kind of fake mean, if it's part of a prop and it's part of a thing Yeah, but just be real Yo, I don't drink at all before shows, I keep it very real I was on stage once and someone gave me a fake shot I go, what the fuck is this? And then the waiter

brought over a fake shot I go, no, give me the real stuff You wanted the real thing No, somebody gave me a shot They said, get him a shot Or a fake shot. Because they thought, I go, no, give me the real stuff. You wanted the real thing. I'm a grown adult. No, somebody gave me a shot. They said, get him a shot. And so they brought me. They thought they were doing you a solid.

Exactly. Right. I wouldn't take a shot for very different reasons. And those being safety reasons. Right. Yeah, but you're getting it from the waiter. You're getting it from just some rando in the audience. Hands you a shot.

You're absolutely right. I do know a comic that did happen. It did happen. Something was drugged. And she was like like i just woke up the next day whoa yeah i also don't do it because i have a policy where i don't drink on stage but also i mean i've definitely like on a full party of a show someone sent a shot and i was like i'm good like i'm at work yeah i'm not doing this i have talked to so many women who've been drugged at nightclubs where someone gives them a drink and there's something in it and they just feel funny. And either their friends rescue them or something horrible happens. Like that's a fucking creepy thing. Not only is it creepy, it's something that I look back at the partying that I did.

Regular partying. Never hot enough to do like yacht partying. Regular partying. And I can't believe that never happened and I look back to like a frat boy that I dated in college and like those parties and like just going out in LA and as intelligent as you might be the dumb choices you make in your 20s yeah and just thankful that I got out unscathed because it does seem to, it's just a huge part of our society that this just happens. Well, it's very scary today too

because of fentanyl, which is the number one killer of people 18 to 49 right now. This show brought to you by fentanyl. You have to give it a play. That's the scariest because they're giving you, they're giving people things in their drinks they don't expect and most likely it's probably fentanyl in it.

Let me ask you this. Let me ask people this. This is my question. Because you hear a lot of girls that are like, I was drugged and I just woke up at home where my friends had me. So in the mind of someone who's a guy who's going to drug you, because it seems oftentimes they drug you, but then they're not there to collect you. So is it just about fucking up someone's night or drugging them and then hoping to move in later? It seems like people just drug people just to do it.

Am I way off in this? I think there's probably a bunch of different things going on. I bet there's certain people that drug people and they have no intention of doing anything with them. They just think it's funny to drug people or they just really you think that's the thing there's creepy people that just want to drug people and they just get a kick out of it there's just there's some sociopaths out there some really fucking evil you're right what happened oh there's a lot of creepy evil people out there that you know you know it's that hurt people hurt people thing.

Sure. Anybody who's doing that's probably been abused. They probably have some really fucked up view of human beings and they are just like voting for pro-life legislation like those kind of people for sure. Wow. I don't know. I don't know if they're the same folks. I think those are religious folks. Why not lump them in?

Well. I got no problem with it. Lump them in. I think those are religious folks. Why not lump them in? Well. I got no problem with it. Lump them in. I think pro-life people, the problem with the whole pro-life abortion thing is like when it gets late term, you know, that's when people get weirded out.

Well, I don't think that's what they're, I don't think they're considering that. I think they're like from the jump, whatever's worse for the girl, let's do that. You think that's really what they think? Yep. I think they're doing it for religious purposes. I think they really, there's, I've had a guy on this podcast, the CEO of the Babylon Bee, and his perception is that life begins at the moment of conception. That's cool that that's his perception for something that he doesn't have to carry or

contend with. I'm not interested in that. If men had to carry, it would be a completely different. You could get an abortion at a frozen yogurt shop. Yeah. It'd be an app on your phone and look i i think the thing that worries me the most about it is there are the people who believe in this for religious reasons okay they've they've they've drank that kool-aid but i do believe the people at the top that are administering this legislation that are

passing these bills that are reaping the benefits of these things socioeconomically they are saying it's for religious purposes. You got to wrap it in something digestible. So they make it about religion, which people then take to their congregations and they dispense it. But I don't think for the most part people believe it's a religious thing. But then religious warriors take up that cause on behalf of people who will be profiteering off of it and who are doing it for a different reason, be it racial, be it social, be it economical. And so I do think it's this thing that you think you're doing something good for your Lord and Savior, for your religion, but you're just carrying out the mission of other

people. I think it's a sheepy way to be. Well, I think there's a lot of people that most certainly do it because it's political football. Like that becomes like a dividing line between the left and the right and it galvanizes. Well, that's also what's unfortunate is that because this is such a polarizing issue, people become single issue voters. So any agenda you might have as a conservative that may not be a bad idea or may be a fiscally good idea, people don't want to hear it because you've planted your flag in something that we shouldn't have been arguing over. Right. So it's very, because you're a single issue voter now, our communities will suffer and anything conservative that one might have agreed with doesn't get heard. That's a shame that we can't come together on stuff. Now it's too black and white.

Yeah. Well, there's definitely a weird divide of left and right because there's so much crossover ideas and there's so many people that believe in more of a centrist philosophy and it doesn't get represented politically. The politics of this country are represented by the far left and the far right in terms of what people are afraid of. When they think of the right, they're afraid of access to abortion, healthcare, gay rights. That's another one that's really creepy is that the same people that were calling for the ban on Roe v. Wade are now calling for an appeal of same-sex marriage. Because you give them an inch. Yeah. And it's about taking it back to this

like 1950s, or we can even say antebellum, this also plays into race taking it back to that what's antebellum antebellum is like hearkening back to the south so what does that word mean antebellum well that's why like lady antebellum had to change the name to lady a antebellum refers to a time in the south pre-slavery glorifying those days which i don't think the band meant for that i think antebellum has become a band lady antebellumebellum. I don't know what that is. This was a whole thing a couple years ago. It's a country band, Lady Antebellum. They've got some great songs, and they had to change it to Lady A.

Oh, because of that. Because of the word. So is that what the actual definition of antebellum is? Yes. Is it pre-slavery? No, no. During slavery. Occurring or existing before a particular war, especially the American Civil War.

During slavery. The convention of the antebellum South. So it harkens back to, you know, mint juleps and having a plantation. Click on that. What does antebellum literally mean? Before the war. So it means before the war. Before the Civil War.

This is during slavery. This is, it's glamorizing a time during slavery. Well, it says it wasn't widely associated with the U.S. Civil War until after that conflict was over. The word comes from the Latin phrase antebellum, literally before the war. So it literally means before any war. But the earliest known print appearance in English dates back to the 1840s. Right. So in America, it's the Civil War. We're not talking about Iraq. Right. But they're saying English print, it dates back to the 1840s before the Civil War.

Sure. So this is all... But this is all... My whole point was it was all romanticizing a time when slavery was legal. Got it. Yeah. And the Dixie Chicks also had to change their name for that reason. Oh. So now they're just the Chicks, which

sometimes you don't know what band people are talking about. Well, the Dixie Chicks... Do you remember when the Dixie Chicks came out and said that they were embarrassed that George W. Bush was our president and then the fucking South went after them? Oh, yes. And they were fucked. Like, I think it kind of tanked their career

because they were very popular. I think it was Natalie, I want to say it was Natalie Mainz is the one that said it. And they went, two of them went to my high school. Their mom was our teacher. Wow. What's unfortunate, and this is when we you know this was an opportunity for men who hate women to decimate someone and women who uphold that sort of thinking of you know women should keep their mouth the dixie chick thing was yeah i was in a coffee shop in the middle of Texas not long ago. And I have a shirt on that says apologize to the Dixie

Chicks. It says the chicks and that kind of obfuscates the message, but apologize to the chicks. And there was a man sitting there. We're in the middle of Texas at a coffee shop, like a local watering hole kind of coffee shop. And you could tell he was probably in his 70s, nice Texas man. And he was like, this is our coffee shop. What does your shirt mean? And I explained to him about the Dixie chicks, how given everything that's happened, they didn't deserve the hellfire that rained down on them for expressing an opinion. And his opinion was, well, you know, you can't go around saying stuff about your government. It's like, well, you can actually, it's called freedom of speech. You guys fight for it every day. And I simply said to him, you know, I can't go around saying stuff about your government. It's like, well, you can actually. It's called freedom of speech. You guys fight for it every day.

And I simply said to him, you know, I can get mad at someone for their political opinion, but I strangely draw the line at threatening to kill a woman or rape her over that opinion. And he stepped back and he was like, well, yeah, that's a lot. So I think people don't realize, especially when a woman says something wrong, the types of threats that come down that you might brush off or a guy doesn't think about. But if I get up and I'm like, I hate Joe Rogan, I hate his podcast. And you'll get men that are like, I hope you get raped. I hope you die.

And these experiences, and I actually talk about this in my new special, it's a lot funnier than it may sound now, are not just online. They get carried out. People shoot up schools because of their hatred of women. What school's been shot up because of hatred of women? University of Santa Barbara. That kid wrote a whole manifesto. Oh, that's right. That was like the first incel, right?

Montreal. In terms of like a popular incel where it was discussed? 1989, Montreal Massacre. This guy also having an issue with being unfuckable shot a bunch of people in the name of this. It is the guy that shot up

that strip mall in Atlanta had a whole thing about how women don't pay attention to him. Those were Asian women he targeted. So this is, we're talking about she said something as a political belief and then by and large what happens is

you do something and then people come at you you know you bring a knife to a fight people come with a gun literally these are very real things that women have to think about when you exercise your free speech or just ideas just as a man would you have to think about your physical safety these are very real things it's the reason i have a security it shows it's not because of women it's not because of women coming up to me yeah which they have and like that's not scary but you never know but if a man came out and said i'm embarrassed that george w bush is our president he did it like that he wouldn't have to think about that aspect it wouldn't be i hope you get raped uh i mean it

might not be rape and people might say violent things about him you'll get people that you know but when you and i leave a building at night you think we've talked about this you think about your walk a lot differently than i do and i do it naturally i look around you know yeah and so that's why i'm shocked i have gotten through all those parties unscathed like it's just a different way that you kind of walk through the world less impunity and so I think that's what bothered me about the Dixie Chicks things was like she said something and it wasn't at a time where people were exer where people were exercising free thought like they were because the ubiquity of the internet hadn't taken over right and so well it's also just a basic human decency thing if someone expresses an opinion, the worst human beings

in the world are going to be the ones who express the hope that you get murdered or raped or, you know, like anything. I hope your family gets run over by a truck. It's just the worst kind of human beings. And that is with any disagreement on anything, the rational, logical thing to do someone says you know i'm embarrassed that that's my president is to say you know why you disagree or why you know why you think that's not a good thing to say but to hate the person right to wish harm on the person for expressing an opinion is just because you're a fucking idiot you're perspective sucks. It's just so out of whack. Yes. It's so warped, you know.

And I don't think cancel culture is any different. You know, you take someone, let's say you made a bad joke once. People would want, they want you to not, it's not about the apology. They want your career ruined. And so you look at someone like Harvey Weinstein, that man should be in jail

because what he did to so many women was horrific. One guy touches a woman in a by accident. Actually, I take that back because that never happens. One person says something. They say they're sorry. I think oftentimes the punishment outweighs the crime. Well, it does today because there's sport in it. There's sport in trying to take someone down.

There's sport in trying to ruin someone's life. And there's also a lot of people out there that don't have anything going on, which is always the people that do things like this. It's not someone who's got their life in order that starts some sort of a campaign to cancel someone for a bad joke. It's usually someone who's a fucking loser. Absolutely. And then what happens is, it becomes this overcorrect.

There are people who deserve to be canceled for doing terrible things over and over. But nobody ever thinks they did anything wrong. So then you get this other side that's like, oh, if a guy looks at a woman wrong, he's going to get canceled. I used to think no one was getting canceled who didn't deserve it. But the more we move into this cancel culture, the more I start to ask, like, if somebody does one thing wrong that really, you know, that hurts no one, or they write a joke or they say something or they, you know, hit on a woman, right?

Is it a pound of flesh that's owed? Is it your whole life? Yeah. Is it money? Are you defined by your worst moment? I believe so. Does that negate it? Well, it depends on what your worst moment is.

Right. Shoot up a school for sure. You know, if your worst moment is a bad joke, no. But it's the sport of it. That's the problem. And it's also navigating this newfound power that people have through the internet. You know, what comes with this great power is great responsibility, but there's no responsibility to people that can just attack people online.

And they enjoy it, and they enjoy it from the anonymity of their own bubble and their tweeting or whatever they're doing. You're absolutely right. And it's navigating this new power and navigating this new world that we live in where cancel culture type things that people look for them. They're looking for a nail because they have a hammer. If you give someone a big box of rocks and there's a window there, there's a very strong urge to throw a rock at that window. And it's very rare that someone takes like this compassionate charitable view of another human

being and just goes you know people make mistakes and the most important thing is that we all try to do better that everybody tries to do better in their life i think people say that and then when it comes to whatever their agenda is they forget about that and i understand rage and i understand i understand hurt um but i don't think people understand context and I think because people, you say hurt people hurt people I think people feel so powerless and so angry so you grab onto

whatever you can grab onto and I think we just have to be careful in rallying those troops. I think of the petulant internet masses and I do talk about this in my book. I think of them as like zombies like in every movie it's always like be quiet, be because you don't want the zombie to like feel your warmth or hear you and that's you know whatever you if you can just if you can just say nothing and sustain and maintain if you truly did like nothing really wrong they'll move on yeah but if you've

ever argued with someone in a comment section you know that that attracts more of them of course well also they have your attention right and they think that because you're a public person, you have some sort of an advantage in life that you shouldn't have. They want to attack you no matter what. Like if you're a public person, I mean, your fans will chime in and say, no, we love her. Fuck you. But most people who don't know you that are hopping into the fray are doing it with the idea that they're going to destroy something. Destroy something? Something beautiful.

And it's this idea of like, it's so delicious to destroy something. The schadenfreude of watching someone get wrecked because they have something you want or you feel they owe you something. People love that. Everybody has receipts on someone else and everybody has something that they wish they could do differently or take back. And there's just no, we don't allow for context. We don't allow for conversation. And that's on the left and the right. And it's just in general, what if you had a fulfilling life? Like it's one thing if somebody has multiple civil rights infractions and you're like, look, this person systemically has done awful things at their company. But what if you had a fulfilling

life and a goal and a passion and something else? Would you spend your whole life trying to ruin other people? Most people don't have the time to do that. I think it's this new power that exists in the world and this new ability to express themselves and to disseminate information that needs to be navigated. I think it's going to take time. This is a wave. It comes in, it comes out, and that's like we're seeing with Me Too. There's probably an overcorrection, and it comes back and balances out, and then you have the Amber Heard situation.

People are like, well, what about her? There's women out there that are just like men. There's crazy people on both sides of the aisle. I think that it's just this newfound ability to express information that is just it's unprecedented. There's never been a time in history where you can have these mobs of people that can just attack from their phone. We are learning. We are growing up in real time with the internet. And nobody, and I believe this, when the internet came around, fast forward to several years later, let's say we got Twitter. We have social media versus just the internet. I don't think the average person, I'm sure people at tech companies and some futurists and maybe you understood that it was forever when i would tweet out something

like oh i fucking hate whatever mcdonald's or this person we didn't really understand those ramifications when you took those pictures when you take a cute picture in a bikini like you don't realize you didn't at the time nobody explained or got or they didn't want you to know this was going to be forever right and we were all learning that in real time but now you have to pay for it i will forever have to be looking at pictures of me in a bikini that i posted eight years ago like i look fine it's not a scandalous picture but like nothing gets forgotten right and the more we move on with the internet you know you shit your pants at a school recital and that's on the internet like it's there it will eventually

get tamped down people aren't going to see it as much but but it's out there we forget that we're all learning this in real time and we do this as it's like this whole gotcha ism yeah i watched a video yesterday of this lady she's walking through a store and uh she's got flip-flops on and a skirt and she's just walking it's like a security camera and then she stops and she puts her hand over her butt and then she walks a little further and she stops again and you can see her like clench her butt cheeks and then she like looks around and then shit falls out her skirt onto the ground and she moves away you seen it Jamie that poor lady did they show her face yeah okay once it I don't because that will be me one day that was almost me on the way here

this poor lady i saw that i was like oh my god talk about a surveillance state and also another thing that you've seen a significant uptick in on tiktok in particular is the filming of strangers without their consent yeah that woman these people oh this guy's got and it's always done in the name of comedy or to catch someone. What's this one? At least she's blurred out. No, this is a different one.

Somebody stepped in it. Oh, God. This is a different one. Revolting moment. Scroll back up a bit. Revolting moment where Lady Pooh's on the floor while walking through lobby before unsuspecting man steps in it

as she runs off. So does she have like no underwear on she's just shitting yeah let me see you kind of know you're doing that don't you i think i think so this lady's just walking and she just oh my god are we sure it's poop she just yes she just shit as she's walking and this guy just oh god how did he not see that well how did he see it why would he expect to see shit he's's just walking. He's right behind her. I mean, the time between her shitting and him

stepping in it is just like a second. That's awful. That is. Imagine if he fell and it landed on his fucking clothes and oof. Some dudes are into it. Yes. Oh, Sheila. What's that? That's what happened to Tim Hortons, but that was a little bit more of a thing. Disturbing video

of a woman at Tim Hortons. Wait, why is disturbing in quotes? Oh, this lady shit against a wall. Yeah, she was just crazy. Why is it like disturbing? Like, some don't think it is. It's in quotes. Like, allegedly it's disturbing. Oh, disturbing in quotes? No, why is that in quotes? I don't know.

Why is it in quotes? It's definitely disturbing. I mean, you talk about lack of a right to privacy. Like, disturbing in quotes? Why is that in quotes? I don't know. Why is it in quotes? It's definitely disturbing. I mean, you talk about lack of a right to privacy. Like, you are being filmed everywhere. I think it should be illegal to film someone without their consent. But what about if it's a store and you're worried about people robbing them? I think you have a signpost that says, just so you know, without them being aware. Like, you're consenting by going in that store. And if you're not doing anything wrong, it's not a big deal.

People are just filming people. Right. That's a different thing. That's personal filming. Yeah, the people filming thing is kind of fucked because like people love to like stick cameras in people's faces and ask them questions. Like, what are you doing, man? Yeah. There's no reason for this.

On TV, you got to like hunt, you got to wrestle them to the ground and be like, please sign this release. Right. And these kids, these are, you got 15 TikTok followers. You live in the middle of nowhere. Like there's no one can come after you because you have no identity associated with your release. Right. And these kids, these are, you got 15 TikTok followers. You live in the middle of nowhere. Like there's no one can come after you because you have no identity associated with your handle. Right. So there's a lack of accountability and our laws are so glacial and archaic that we haven't caught up to the internet yet. Yeah.

No, it's very weird what our laws are in terms of that. The privacy laws. It's very, it's very weird because like here's another thing if you buy a house if you buy a house people could just post your house and that you bought it and people google your address instantaneously i know there's no laws on that i know it's happened to you it's happened to me and happens everybody it's but especially as a public figure and we even reached out to the quote unquote writer that does it. And I'm like.

They don't give a fuck. And we try to say like, hey, I have a stalker. We have a case with the police. Could you please not post she sleeps on the north end. Like here's where the master bedroom is. Like fine. A picture with no reference. Great.

But they don't need to know the layout that I sleep on the second floor. Like they don't need to know that. Yeah. They don't need to know the layout that I sleep on the second floor. Like, they don't need to know that. Yeah. There's just such a lack of accountability and awareness for personal safety, particularly women's safety. Well, there's no laws in regards to that. Like, we need new privacy laws in terms of what you're allowed to put on the Internet.

Well, and so people here would be like, well, get you a gun. Be your own law. No. Eh. It's not that simple. I mean, you're opening up a door you shouldn't have to defend it with bullets you know you shouldn't just because somebody decides to like post where you sleep you shouldn't have to be like fucking cocked armed and ready i agree every time you go to the bathroom it shouldn't be news is the other thing and it shouldn't you shouldn't

be allowed people get mad at us. Nobody ever goes after the media outlets. The outlet that posts the picture of your wife in a bikini on your vacation. The outlet that says something about your body. The outlet that puts that out there. Somehow those writers, it's never about them. And it always becomes about the story. This is not the shitty way to make a living is just pretending it's journalism, but really showing how fat someone got.

Well, it is a vulturous way to make a living. There's a bunch of articles that I'm seeing lately. Maybe it's just like my Google News feed, but there's articles are like of weird. Like, how is this an article? Like one of them was like a guy left a bad tip. So the woman chased him down out in the street and confronted him and this is an article i'm like that's an everyday occurrence if you're a waitress right like the idea that this is now a story but it doesn't matter because that's the kind of thing that makes people click

on things because journalism is kind of fucked now because it's all about clicks because you don't really make a lot of money off of print journalism anymore right so the sensationalism of it. Yeah. So what they're getting money from is advertising clicks. And believe it or not, a woman chasing down a guy who left a shitty tip will get you just as much clicks as some climate change accord where some consortium of scientists get together. And chain themselves to a Bank of America building. It is how do we sensationalize everything. The right news doesn't get the correct news, doesn't get the appropriate attention. And you really do. It is harder and harder to seek out the education that you deserve. It is harder and harder to educate yourself because everybody is positive that they're right. Everybody's positive. Everyone is wrong. It's hard to trust people and it's hard to know what side of the graph you're looking at.

And none of us, for the most part, have it. And everybody's very content to sound off on anyone if you have an opinion as if they have all the facts, but they just got them from another talking head. Right. So that's why scientists and doctors and people with degrees in this are so important versus just taking this news from wherever. That's also why objective journalism is so important. It's very difficult to find nowadays. It's very hard because everything is biased from one perspective, whether it's a right wing perspective or a left wing perspective. And they flavor and shape and mold the narrative just to suit whatever they think their audience wants to hear. Well, you have to have your eyes so open because if you are coming from any sort of marginalized group that colors it like I'm Jewish. So when I see a headline about Jews or Israel or Palestine, I always pay attention to the phrasing. You're like, what's the real agenda here? And sometimes it requires being of that group to fully see the intention. You know, if you're black, you're

going to look at a headline about an altercation with police. You're going to look at that wording differently than someone, than a white person that doesn't think about that. Like it's just, it colors your perspective and your history in life colors the way you read those. And so you're right. It is hard to find just like the facts like here is what happened here is that decide for yourself well it requires a lot of work and you can't do that about too many subjects because you just don't have the time if you're a person that has an eight hour a day job and then you have a family and hobbies and friends and like you don't have the time to be trying to figure out like why is fluoride in the water why is it like like you gotta take that shit down it'll take you

forever but then so here you go and now it's time to vote and you got some guy that's like hey i want to protect us and everything and do everything that's right yep and all these bullshit things are baked into it that are infringements on our civil liberties and you're like well i didn't take the time so this guy seems like me should be okay yeah we look for someone who makes us feel good like i'll feel good voting for him i don't like her she's a cunt and they just decide this is how i'm voting you know like that's i mean that was a lot of people's perspectives on hillary clinton i talked to a lot of people everyone loved her yeah i'm pretty sure she she won most loved i i was i i liked elizabeth warren she's cool

i just like same i liked her her. I like her tenacity. Yeah, but okay, who isn't? Yeah, Bernie Sanders. Okay, but did you vote for Bernie? He wasn't available to vote for. Did you vote in the? I didn't vote in the primaries. In the primaries, right.

Yeah. But I had him on my podcast, and he was very sincere. Okay, cool. I've had my mom on my podcast. You want to flex? I'm just saying. I think he's very sincere. Okay, cool. I've had my mom on my podcast. You want to flex? I'm just saying. I think he's very sincere. I think he, you know, he's very idealistic.

But give that a chance. Maybe that's better than someone who's fucking jaded. I mean, I don't understand what one has to do with the other. I was just saying I liked her. What one has to do with the other? What do you mean? Someone being idealistic versus what is her being a con artist my whole point was that people have locked and loaded these opinions about people and everyone's awful and every woman is called a

bitch when they run for politics ever Sarah Palin because the types of men that call women bitches voted probably for her in the get-go well tulsi gabbard's not i think tulsi gabbard's amazing i don't know that is you know she is no congresswoman from hawaii ran for president in 2020 okay yeah she uh she's the one who called out kamala harris on her um prosecution record for people with uh marijuana felon. I do know that. Also kept people in jail illegally past the time they were supposed to be released to force them to work as cheap labor to fight wildfires. Will she be running?

No, she actually just did the podcast recently and she's What is that air? Update, she is running? A little bit of breaking news. Biden pardons thousands of people convicted of marijuana possession under federal law. Wow. As it should be.

As I've said before, no one should be in jail for just using or possessing marijuana. Today I'm taking steps to end our failed approach. Allow me to lay them out. Fuck yeah. What if the first step just said, P.S. I'm high as fuck right now. LOL. High AF. Second, I'm high as fuck right now. LOL. High AF, right?

Second, I'm calling on governors to pardon simple state marijuana possession offenses. Yes. Just as no one should be in federal prison. Look at the likes going up. That's amazing. Tick, tick, tick, tick. No one should be in federal prison solely for possessing marijuana. No one should be in a local jail or state prison for that reason either.

Third. Agreed. We classify marijuana at the same level as heroin and more serious than fentanyl. It makes no sense. I'm asking Secretary, I don't know how to say that name, Becerra, and the Attorney General to initiate the process of reviewing how marijuana is scheduled under federal law.

I'd also like to note that as federal and state regulations change, we still need important limitations on trafficking, marketing and underage sales of marijuana. Yes. Yes. OK. Sending people to jail for possessing marijuana has upended too many lives for conduct that is legal in many states. Yes. That's before you address the clear racial disparities around the prosecution and conviction.

Today, we begin to right these wrongs. Fuck yeah. There is a disproportionate amount of African-American men, but African-Americans in jail for minor marijuana possession while women in Santa Barbara are like having cooking parties with it, like white women and white families. Well, it's legal in California. It is legal, and that is true, and there is breaking the law,

but again, we're talking about punishment outweighing a crime. Oh, for sure. There are people still in jail years later, and it was the smallest amount. And now that it's legal, let them out. Well, there's people that are in jail, and they can literally look out their bars and see marijuana shops. Especially in Phoenix. It's a very quick and easy way to feed this industrial prison complex. He's totally right in doing that yeah it is it

is a class racial issue it is that thing where now that it's legal i mean yeah it's just a way to feed that prison complex that is the point well it's it's a stupid fucking law that shouldn't exist and if you believe in freedom you should believe in the freedom to explore your own consciousness and that's what marijuana is the myopic I think it's very easy to live in your reality. And people in like, say, Los Angeles get very accused of living in a bubble. And my whole thing is it's 80% Mexican in LA. It's called, it's a pronounced Abuble. But it's very easy to live. If you are a farmer in rural Nebraska, and you have these conservative values, and you don't live in like an urban area, you don't share the same streets that I do. of course your values and you're going to be different. And that's okay.

That's what local elections are for. And so I think it's very easy to be pro-life, especially if you're a man, because like, this doesn't really affect me. Or I'm a 60 year old, like, I'm not thinking about this. I think it's very difficult. I think the exercise in living in a society is thinking about other people. And that's what taxes are for. Those go to schools. I pay taxes for schools that my kids might never attend. This is what you sign up for when you live in a society is maybe considering how to not hurt your neighbor. And so that's why I was so pro mask, because it's like, this is how you don't hurt someone when we believe that those were, and I still do, the thing that helps, right? and i think people tend to vote i want the death penalty sure you

don't know the fucking guy dying it's not your brother that's been falsely accused so i think the less experience you have with people who are less like you the more likely you're just going to vote for your own self-interest that's absolutely true yeah and that's always going to be the case it's people they have a limited perspective based on what they've experienced. And if you are in the middle of nowhere, in a rural place, and you have a very religious upbringing, and you think that people in Brooklyn or people in South Central Los Angeles should adhere to your values, you know, that's not only is it not realistic, it's not informed. I'm never about spreading my values as much as giving people options. That's why it's pro-choice.

And I believe in choices in general. And I understand the vaccine thing, which is also like I'm not in the streets telling people it was my choice to get it. So I just want people to have the choice. And I want people to also have the choice to make decisions about their own health. Meaning I don't want to be forced to get sick because you chose not to do something. It's the same reason you can't go into a movie theater and yell fire. Like your choices shouldn't have to affect or harm other people. And that's a very gray area because where do you draw that boundary? Well, the problem with that boundary is we need to know what is actually going on. We need to know like what are the financial interests involved in making decisions because especially when you're

dealing with anything involving pharmaceutical companies or the government, it's mostly about money. I mean that hydrochloroquine when that came out as like a cure-all, I remember looking this up because I was like I was was so proud of my journalism, but it was some, the guy, I remember the guy was Indian who was like the head of the pharmaceutical company that was in charge of that. And I Googled and I saw that he had had dinner with Donald Trump like in March of the pandemic year. And I was like, you know, someone shook someone's hand and was like, we'll sell this. I don't think so because hydroxychloroquine is not expensive. There's no money in that. Hydroxychloroquine is something like ivermectin, which is a generic drug.

The problem with generic drugs is these off-label uses of generic drugs, anybody can profit off of it. What they want is patented drugs. One is patented drugs. So they come up with a drug that's either similar to that, has a similar effect or an alternative effect. And then they patent that. That was the drug that was being touted. But that's what they sell. When you look into the history of the pharmaceutical companies and what they've done in terms of patenting medicine and demonizing medicines that can't be patented, that are generic medicines. It's fucking creepy. Yes.

Because they're just about profit. These are machines that are just trying to make money for their shareholders. 100%. And that's almost every company. When you really start, it is actually, it's a terrifying thing to do to like start to peel back those layers. And I'm all for that education. And that kind of goes back to what we were saying before about like it is exhausting and really difficult to get objective opinions to really find stuff out.

And this is for I mean, there was this documentary on Netflix about like health and beauty business. And they talked about Johnson and Johnson baby powder and how they, you know, my mom, we use that when I was little. I call and I now it causes cervical cancer. That's what they're saying. I call my mom and I go, hey, if you have Johnson & Johnson baby powder, don't use it. She goes, no, it causes cancer. I know that. Like it just became not like it was a thing that was a family company that was sold to everyone.

And then when they found out it caused cancer, they started marketing it to poor communities. And so when they found out it causes cancer, they started marketing to people? They started putting it in black and brown communities. Really? Yeah, this was in the documentary. What documentary is this? It's called, if you Google Netflix, Beauty Doc.

There's a bunch of them, but this is the one. What's it called? It's called, I'll tell you right now. It's called, hold on. Toxic Beauty. Jesus Christ, these people are fucking creeps. And then you even just have products that you think, like if you've got curly hair, which I do, which is a very malign thing, you find this product that's great for it. And then they go into all the information that's not being told to you.

And it is a full-time job. And then you're called a heretic if you come out against some of these things. And I applaud a lot of what you do on this podcast. I know a lot of your guests are polarizing. I know you don't always have the right info, but I do applaud the pursuit of that information because there's always so many levels and layers, particularly in government or products or anything. These things that make our lives run. There's darker motives happening. And you sound crazy if you say it. You sound crazy in the beginning.

And then ultimately, if you're correct, if you're correct, people find out they've been duped. Or they're dead. And that there's money involved in this. Right. And that that's why this stuff has been propagated. That's how I feel about the abortion thing. I'm like, this can't be about religion.

Do you really think that it's a... I think it's probably a voting issue, you know, for sure. You know, which is, I think, look, cynically, I look at this Biden decision about marijuana. I said, it's a voting issue. They're trying to win the midterms, which are, you know, in a couple of weeks. And that's how they're looking at it. But I applaud the sentiment behind it and what it actually will do for people, which I think is great. And if that's all it takes to get them to do that, to make it incentivize them to do something that's the right thing, that it's going to all they have to do is like do it because they want to get the votes. Good. Let them get the vote. Thank God it's for a good thing. That is the right thing.

It shouldn't be demonized. Did you see the clip this morning where he was caught? He was shaking hands with someone and then on a hot mic he said nobody fucks with a biden the president say that the president said it oh he's so he's so gone well i don't know i think that's kind of no but he's gone he's he's fucking got dementia there's no if ands or buts about it the guy do you see that speech the other day where he was talking about that woman? There's no buts. It's 100%. If you talk to any person who treats people with dementia and you show them what he used to be like versus what he's like now, there is clear evidence of cognitive decline. I mean, as long as you're doing stuff like this, I'm okay with it. Like the marijuana, as long as you're calling for stuff like that. At least do something good on your way out.

It's good that he's doing that. But that's not what we're talking about. I'm talking about he's got dementia. Or something. There's some sort of cognitive decline. You see that thing the other day where he's calling, where's Jackie? Where's Jackie? Has that Jackie lady been dead for a month?

There's someone to work for him. He doesn't have all of his faculties in order. People knew that going into the election, and it's only deteriorated with pressure and stress and age. That stuff doesn't get better as you get older. It gets worse. Okay. Yes. Agreed.

We get worse as we get older. Especially him. He's old as fuck. Nobody fucks with a Biden. Such a silly man. He's always been silly. By the way, for any man to say that.

What was he saying? Here it is. That's a funny thing to say. Yeah, I love it. I have no problem with that. I love it. That's exactly right. I wasn't saying he had to,

I was just saying that independent. Did people get mad at that? No, it was just news. It was just kind of out of character for him. I like it. I like that. It's cheesy, but it's cool.

It's funny. He's talking to some regular dude and just shaking hands. No one fucks with a Biden. I mean, we've all said stuff with our mics. I've peed with my mic on. Nothing wrong with that. I don't give a shit. Nothing wrong with saying something into a lav.

Yeah. I mean, look, it is what it is he's he's old but that thing like who cares about that how's that even news it's kind of funny it just popped up on my instagram i don't it wasn't like on the front page of new york times well i'm sure some people are gonna run with it some fucking fox news people are gonna think it's evidence of his moral decay or something well i mean i mean it did lead you to go into a whole thing about, which you also said to me last time that he had dementia.

He's got something. You think he's got something? Yeah. You ever seen the compilations of him just stumbling and not knowing what to talk about and losing his place and forgetting, oh, I forgot about it. It's not good. I don't have a take on this as much as if you,

so a president has to talk a lot because they do those compilations on George Bush. They do them on Donald Trump. If you I mean, they could do them on you or me. Like if you film enough of someone talking. Yes. And you cobble it together. What's the one from there's another one of him doing something like that. He did.

No one fucks with a Biden. Oh, it was George Bush. There's this clip that went around recently where he says something about the Iraq war and he goes, now watch me tee off. I'm like, now watch this long shot. And he just turns around and hits a golf ball. Oh, I've seen that one. I kind of don't hate it.

I think it's very funny. Well, what do you want the guy to do? What do you want him to do? First of all, he's a human being and he's in the middle of... Golfing. Golfing and in the most insanely pressure-filled life the world's ever known if you're a president that job is fucked and you are under scrutiny 24 7 and you're just

living this bizarre world where in this bizarre world where you're in control of the economic future the environmental future the international treaties and laws and whether or not we invade countries and interventionist foreign policy like the fucking chaos involved in being the president you can't let the guy talk some shit and now watch this drive that's kind of funny that's the reason most people voted for him right and so i just i mean it doesn't matter now he's a regular guy he's regular joe you want to have a beer with. It's a weird thing to want from a leader, right? I guess it's better than someone who you don't want to have a beer with.

Have you seen some fucking creep who's just some weird lizard person who just doesn't make any sense to you? Do you want to have a beer with Vladimir Putin? I'd have some vodka with that guy. Would you have him on your podcast? Well, I don't speak Russian, so I don't think we would be able to communicate correctly. I don't know how well he speaks English. But it would be a fascinating conversation to hear his perspective. Yeah. Yeah.

But the guy's a tool. Well, he's definitely a killer. Yeah. You know, I mean, he's a former... KGB. Yeah, what's KGB and then what's the other FSB yeah he's a scary man

and he's also insanely wealthy he's in there there's like you've seen the picture of his well they thought it was his house and it looks like something like a villain would live in yeah it's like some fucking massive compound that's worth like $100 million. I read Red Notice.

I don't know if you read this book. Bill Brower, did you read this book? Red Notice, and it's about the, is it McGitsby Act? It's basically about a guy who did private wealth management, and he got into Eastern Europe. This is a true story.

And he got into Eastern Europe and managing money over there, and it's about how he got tangled up in Russia, and then they ended up murdering like one of his accountants. And they tortured him so horribly that this guy then dedicated his life to getting laws passed about the way people are treated abroad. And he talks about Vladimir Putin and he talks about how corrupt it is over there. And it's all a true story. I don't even know.

I think they made a really bad movie about it. Oh, it's insanely corrupt. It's a really good book. It's an insanely corrupt part of the world. And whenever you have an autocrat, whenever you have one guy that gets to stay in power for as long as he wants, which is essentially where Vladimir Putin is, and a guy who poisons and kills his enemies,

it's a fucking scary situation. Yeah, thank God we live here. Thank God we live here. Yeah. I mean, it's better. It's not ideal. It's not the best, but it's the best available.

I think, you know, you're allowed to, I'm allowed to be proud to be an American and embarrassed at other times. And I think we have an issue with people not being bleeding heart patriots

or it's like, or you're too much of a snowflake it's you're allowed to criticize this land that you love so much you're allowed to express yourself you're allowed to express yourself if you don't want a person to express themselves and you don't believe in real freedom because people should have the ability to express themselves incorrectly and make mistakes and the way to counter that is to express yourself correctly and make better points, make better arguments. That's how we find out

what's real and what's not real. Where you can find the tyrants is who's fucking silencing people, who's stopping people from expressing themselves, who's stopping people from expressing opinions that they disagree with,

that other people disagree with. I don't have an issue with that, but I also wonder what about people who purposefully disseminate wrong information? Yeah, that's creepy too. That's super creepy. And that is also, it should be like criminally liable, right?

If you know, like if you're working for a company and that company tells you something and you know that for a fact and then you go out and spread information that is incorrect because it's in the greater interest of that company it's criminal if you knew better yeah if you knew better if you knew better and you do it for profit or you do it you know you have motive yeah that's but that i mean that goes back to what we're talking about like finding the truth it's so difficult to know the truth sometimes with very complex issues. It's like trying to get as many objective sources of information as possible. And it's such a fast news cycle. Yeah. Just you start to dig into one thing. And at some point you have to feed yourself.

Yeah. comics you know like I have this desire to be on the right side and to know everything and to be as well-rounded as possible but I also have to like hold my daughter and I also have to write jokes and you also want to be funny but I just feel like the stakes are so high lately yeah and you have the freedom to sort of at least make your own schedule I mean you have shows that you have to go to and but you have most of the day and you know you have responsibilities but some people don't even have that some people have they're constantly working and so to ask that person to be up on the news cycle with everything that's going on in the world and and have an informed opinion and a hot take on every fucking it's too much it's too much and it's and it's just

getting worse it's just getting there's It's just getting, there's information overload. Overload. Content overload. Yeah. I saw somebody the other day said, because I look at a lot of TikTok, and it's great sometimes, and then it eats away at your brain at other times. It was just this thing that was like, try to avoid, I think it was called dread scheduling. And I didn't look into it, but I was like, I try to live my life by having as few things on the calendar that I'm like, ugh, I don't want to do that.

Yeah. I bet you have the ability to have a life that's dread free. Minus you got to go to the dentist or something. Yeah, I don't have very many dreads. Right. I think that's a big part of happiness is just not booking the thing that you kind of don't want to do. Yeah. the thing that you kind of don't want to do. Yeah. Well, once you're fortunate enough to be able to do that, the key is to not slide into dread just for financial gain, because you're

not even going to notice that money. What you'll notice is your time being, you know, used in a way that you don't want. And sometimes people, they can't see the forest for the trees and they just focus on money instead of focusing on just, I just want to avoid doing things that, that suck. Right. I, I say this to comics all the time. Like when you start, it shouldn't be about the money. And I'm saying that as a person who started like with a normal day job that like wasn't cool and it was a pain in the ass to get to, and you do comedy because you love doing it. And I had no idea the potential or how much money you can make. I didn't know anything about the pay structure for that kind of stuff, but it should be, you're doing it. You're doing your art because you love it. That's part of just being an artist. You get into private

wealth management because you want to make a lot of money for the art of it. Yeah. That's a problem with money things, you know, like equity funds and private wealth management and stock traders. It's like the whole end goal is to accumulate numbers. It's not to create a product that's going to enrich people's lives or be exciting for people to consume. No, it's like you're just trying to rack up numbers. That's a fucking empty pursuit in and of itself. I mean, it's just a weird thing. And you're never happy unless you make more every year than you did the previous year. Nobody ever says like, hey, you know, I'm locked into a pretty reasonable living.

Right. So I'm just going to keep that going. I'm going to maintain that. Well, let me ask you this. Even though it's your show, let me ask you this. Because I get asked this all the time. And I always hate the question because for many reasons. But like, do you have career goals beyond this?

Or are you like, I did it. I'm good. I never had any career goals. Legitimately. Right. I didn't. I just like doing things. Right.

And the things that I like to do, I try to do my best. Right. That's my career. That's the healthy answer. Yeah. I think that's a similar answer to mine. Because if I just decided that I have some fucking grandiose goal, like where is that going? Like what if I achieve that?

I'm going to do another one and just keep pushing further and further. I think that's madness. I think you lose your fucking mind. I think life is a temporary situation and you should enjoy as much of it as possible. Life is a temporary situation and you should enjoy as much of it as possible. And I think that one of the ways that I find that I enjoy it as much as possible is if I do things that are intriguing, that are difficult and complex and where they're challenging. And so I overcome obstacles and I, you know, I figure things out and I get better at stuff, whether it's communicating with people or whether it's doing stand-up or whatever you do. I like challenging interesting things, fascinating things.

You do. And I think you've built, whether you realize that from the beginning or that's become a thing, I think you've built a life that really is around those things. Yeah. Like that's what this podcast is. It's not like a show about like feelings and

baking. Like this is interesting people. Maybe me as a guest excluded and interesting topics and the pursuit of that information. Yeah. It's like what am I interested in? I mean, the only people I have on are people I either like like you or people that I think I want to talk to because I think, you know, they have an interesting topic that they're pursuing or some documentary or a book they wrote or something. It's like I only have people on that I'm interested in talking to. I don't have anybody telling me who to have on. I think the toughest part about podcasts is the guest booking and then in the beginning where you're just like, I've got to interview this person. And you're like, I don't care what they have to say.

And you still have to do the interview. I've avoided that. You have. In the beginning, even. There was a lot of people that tried to get on the podcast that I'm not interested in. I just said no. I've had even confrontations with some people that want to be on.

I'm like, I don't want to have you on. Oh, they've come up to you and been like, I got to get on. Fuck yeah. That's the best way to never have me on. Or never have me have you on. Is to get in your face. Yeah. Jesus Christ you think like being confrontational is gonna help i've had to do sometimes i do i've had a lot of great interviews but sometimes you're i'm being interviewed and i can tell they barely know who i am and i certainly don't want to be there and i'm under

my keyboard i'm just like squeezing my thigh because i want to be like what are we doing here yeah please don't ask me about balancing it all please don't ask me how i got into comedy you don't care and i don't care well they don't know what to ask well not everybody should have a fucking podcast not every i'm serious everybody has one and not everybody there is an art to interviewing like earlier when i forgot what i was saying you weren't like let see, you were talking about you just sat there and let me stew. And that is, there's an art to that. Well, I was hoping you would come up with the thought. I just gave you the chance. I didn't want to like talk over you because if I talked over you, then you'd never get it. You know, when someone starts talking

over you, when you're trying to think of things, then you're just reacting to them talking. You're never going to get it. I talk over, it's a bad quality of mine. And I understand. I acknowledge that. It's a normal quality, particularly for someone who talks for a living because you're good at it. So you always have words that you have at the tip of your tongue that you can get out. Sometimes – it's a harder thing for comics when they're communicating with people is to just let that person talk. And it's definitely a learned skill. And I'm definitely, like, way better at it now than i was when i first started i i'm not saying you weren't good at it before but like i get interviewed a lot i think there are hosts that are good at it i think you're good at it i think jimmy kimmel gives like an elegant interview there

are certain people and they're just because i did that recently i'm thinking about that but there really is an art to it and i actually older I get, and maybe it is since having a baby, the less I want to volunteer. And like, you're not, when I talk to you, you're not ever like over enthused. Like you kind of just hang back and you listen, like you have less to prove. I like that. I like to be like that, I think is the cooler way to be versus like, yeah, also something else. I think that I like to be like that I think is the cooler way to be versus like yeah also something else I think there's like a calmness to it that I I don't think I naturally have I think I'm like a very not very intense but intense enough you're pretty intense but that's passionate that's you know you have your thoughts and your opinions and it's not like you're closed-minded to other

people's opinions you know you're you know but you're very strong-willed and you have your ideas willful yeah yeah i looked up the characteristics of tibetan spaniels the other day because i have one yeah i said that they're willful willful and i was like i get it yeah yeah they don't want to listen that's that's the it's a dog though pick the perfect job for it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, otherwise you would never been a comic. I think it's way harder for a woman to be a comic because first of all, there's a certain prejudice that a lot of men have in the audience. They don't want to hear a woman talk. They don't want to hear a woman on stage. And it's also, there's certain subjects that some men in particular don't want to hear women express. They don't want to hear them talk

about politics. They don't want to hear them talk about, they don't want to hear them giving advice or, you know, and then when it comes to like sex talk and, you know, and a lot of men have a really difficult time with women making fun of men in their act. So there's that. It's challenging. It's challenging. I think the longer you do it, I'm lucky that the people coming out are fans. It's not like a paper room or anything. Sure, sure. So I think that they come out expecting it. And I think, particularly in this new special, I address the men up top.

I'm like, I really want to include you. I don't like that, and I talk about this too, that faux feminist, like, men are idiots, right, girls? You will alienate smart women and you will alienate all the men i don't i believe feminism is like treating them equally sometimes women fuck up sometimes men fuck up but these large generalizations of like men are idiots men are dumb right girls like i don't know who that's serving i have it's just weak it's just pandering yeah it's pandering it's it's just a cheap way out well i have issues with It's just weak. It's just pandering. Yeah, it's pandering. It's just a cheap way out. Well, I have issues with things like girl boss.

I've always shuddered at that. Well, that is exactly why. And I explained to women, I'm like, first of all, the women saying girl boss, usually just doing it as a marketing tool. And you know that girl boss is bullshit because you never hear men say it. That's how you know it's not actually empowering. You've never heard a man be like, wow, she did two tours of Iraq and she's a doctor. What a girl boss. If your opposition in a movement doesn't go along with your ideas, then you're not gaining any any ground. And so I don't think talking to women like lobotomized idiots is feminism. And I don't think talking to men like they're the problem is helpful. And I think that's why at least my standup works. Yeah. Well,

it's just, it's a trap, you know? And I think a lot of times people, they take an easy way out with comedy, you know, and they, they try to find like a way that they can mock things.

It's going to work on stage, at least some people. And then they get into that sort of fucking caricaturist view of humans. Well, I just wonder, I like to think the older I get, this special, the last special, this special, like the stakes are too high. You want to make a bunch of dick jokes. That's cool too. But if you're going to say something impactful, like you need to be ready to defend those things that you said, those statements. And you have to back them up.

First of all, they have to be funny, but back them up with intelligence. And I think when you come from a place of only wanting to make people feel good, my jokes are not designed to hurt. Those are easier to back up versus I said something mean just for the fun of it. I don't subscribe to that. I don't get comics who do that. I don't know why you do that. I don't know why you'd set out to hurt a chunk of people deliberately i think they just try to get a reaction i think there's a lot of people out there that are just sort of fishing for a reaction

you know they don't even think it's funny they just think other people will react to it that's the internet yeah that's what tiktok is i't love doing this, but other people like that I do it, and that's why you're fucking depressed, America. Do you ever look at the fucking user policy on TikTok and how invasive it is, and how much it sucks your data, and how much it actually, if you're

on TikTok, your other computers that aren't even connected to TikTok, they have access to all that data? No. It's fucking scary. TikTok is Chinese spyware. Yeah. I mean, that's really what it is. Yeah.

I don't fuck with it. I do. Yeah. I watch a lot. I don't watch it. I don't use it. I am very protective of my algorithm, and I find that in watching it,

I've gained an education about a lot of things, social things that I kind of just, they weren't in my purview before. So I like that. I'm very protective about what I like and what I watch because it will it'll just show you more of that. This is a very deceptive company. It is. The company has been funneling information to China and pretending they're not. It's like if you go and look at the violations and if you go look at like there was a

software engineer that back engineered the tiktok software so it's like the most invasion of privacy software he's ever seen but they have this video where there's a pomeranian that's how they get you you know you ever seen the difference between chinese tiktok and american tiktok like american tiktok is like stupid dances and pranks. Yes. Chinese TikTok highlights scientific achievements, like athletic achievements. There is a difference. My algorithm is a lot of social conversations.

It's not the dancing or anything like that. My algorithm is almost, it's almost boring. It's a lot of like etymology. It's a lot of like, here's why the world is carved up how it is. A lot about Iran recently. Like it's a my newsfeed almost. Well, that's good. I mean, that is an interesting thing, right? That you can cultivate your algorithm and you just find things you choose on, continue to click on those. Yes. Eventually it sort of sorts you out. sensitive I could be wrong about this than the Instagram algorithm on TikTok like it's it almost

like morphs in real time Instagram like I deeply don't care about Bella Hadid and it's like almost all that it shows me hmm do you follow other celebrity type things or models or something like that no and that's nothing like that she's a she's a celebrity model is that what she is yeah and it's just constant constant fan accounts about her. And I'm like, I don't know what I've ever done to deserve this. Can you right click on that or something? Or is there an option to say I'm not interested in this? I do. I do it.

And it takes forever. Maybe because I listened to a The Weeknd song a week ago. What does that have to do with Bella? Because they dated. Oh, they dated? No. So I tend to move away instantly. That's what it does?

That's how the album works? I mean, I'm making a joke. You're not off. It's weird. Thank you. I tend to move away. That's what it does. That's how the algorithm works. I mean, I'm making a joke. You're not off. It's weird. Thank you. I've got weird things. It shouldn't be showing me stuff. And a lot.

How are we here now? Because I think it wants to show you because they know that people like this. And I'm like, but I don't. And Instagram is a very millennial app. And the curation of it and the way it looks. And TikTok is very Gen Z. And I enjoy TikTok, but it does. There's something deeply dark. The vibration of it is the way it looks and TikTok is very Gen Z and I enjoy TikTok but it does there's something deeply dark the vibration of it is very low if that makes any sense to you yeah when you're

on it and I've said this before like I liken it to like eating speed eating candy you're like this is so delicious I love this I want more vanishing caloric density and then when you turn it off you're like I feel really awful I feel sick it has a low vibration to it it doesn't feel positive right like you're not educating yourself you're just consuming short attention span nonsense yes like in the moment i'm like oh my god of course i want to know that like marie antoinette's 10 favorite desserts like that's historical and then you turn off you're like who the fuck is gonna ask me about this right who why did i do that why do i need to know what the gatekeeper at area 51 looks like what his favorite shirt like what am i looking at here well it's definitely the most addictive

of all the apps because everybody i know that uses it says the same thing they're like dude i can't put it down can't put it down and i talk about it in my book the commodification of your own nostalgia marketed back to you by someone who never experienced it feels deeply sinister. So like there will be accounts on there. So I'm 39, right? So like right now the 90s and the 2000s are very in, right? So you get these accounts that will be like come along with me and remember Christmas break 2002. And they show you images that tap into your nostalgia.

And these are hyper ephemeral things and then they're gone and you get sad looking at it because the world feels so scary now but the person curating that didn't experience that they're just taking my memories and regurgitating them to me and monetizing them i think that's very black mirror that's upsetting to me it is very black mirror that's a lot of what the internet is right now is very black mirror. It's getting very weird. It's weird and weirder. And if they ever institute a social credit score system,

which is one of the most terrifying things that are being discussed, that's going to be very fucked. Because then you're going to see incentivized behavior changes in people that are just because they're worried about losing access to their bank account or losing access to travel, which is what they have in China. Like if you act like an asshole, you lose privileges? Not even act like an asshole. If you tweet something bad about the government, if you tweet an opinion that's unfavorable, if you, I mean, that's what they have in China. In China, they have a centralized currency, a digital currency, and they're trying to push for that in America. And if they have a

centralized digital currency, which means the government has access to turning on or off your ability to spend money. So like, say if you tweet something that you don't like this decision about Roe v. Wade and fuck the government and fuck these old Supreme Court people, they'll stop your ability to fly. Sure, sure, sure. That's scary because that's how you engineer social behavior. You can engineer it with a social credit score system. Right. It will 100% be engineered towards maintaining profits for- Someone.

Yeah. Someone somewhere. Whatever special interest groups, funding, whatever campaign. Well, that's the argument on the other side. We know talk about freedom when people shit on america and they're like oh i hate when people talk about nazi germany or the holocaust because it's people who are just using it as a pawn in an argument the fact that i'm allowed to sit here and say whatever the fuck i want and there's not secret police outside yeah is a beautiful thing and yes there are countries where you can also do that but that is something that's very special like i i am not afraid i'm

afraid of some people saying horrible things to me but i'm not afraid of my financial viability and my family safety right um because i said i don't like a government decision or the president or whatever yeah well that's the level of freedom that we have here that doesn't exist in Iran, for example. You know, that's this woman who was killed for not having her head scarf on. Masa Amini. It has ignited this wave of protests all over the world and all through Iran where they're just really freaking out and recognizing, like, this has got to fucking change. So her name was Masa Aminiini and they have this morality police there. So her hijab was off by like an inch or two and they will come and take you even if you

are properly dressed. It's just this like downer police that comes and they beat her into a coma. Another girl recently, I have goosebumps because I reposted a story about her. Really pretty girl dancing on TikTok, murdered. Like they just come and take you and I'm on TikTok and there are there's footage of this of these people being arrested and beaten and killed and they're saying they the government is turning off our internet please be our voice and so then you start to think like as a woman as a as an American like how can I

help this you can't like donate money're literally saying, please show the world because we can't. And it's happening to girls, normal girls that could be one of your friends. And it's so terrifying. And that's what this uprising is. Like, at a certain point, sometimes just, like, enough is enough. And that's what they're doing. And I've just done my part in trying to amplify that for them and sharing those videos, because I think a lot of people don't know that's happening. We don't live in a world where the government, I mean, they control a lot, but like they're controlling your internet, like they're not going to turn your internet off. It was privatized. the streets and there's footage of girls like pushing back against guards coming to their schools trying to arrest them yeah civil unrest in the streets families just being murdered girls young girls just being killed i think somebody said something i don't know if that's right that like 80 of the population in iran is like gen z or something because of how many people get killed just like don't quote me on that but there's it's a crazy thing and this is not i think it's very easy for people to look at the middle east and think of it as the way that we portray it in movies but iran was a normal i mean we have a lot of jews a lot of jews and a lot of uh non-jews in la that are persian that

came there with tons of money you know after the ousting of the shah in the 70s this was a place that had movie theaters and women wearing skirts and like it was normal kind of like afghanistan was at some point the way that this that these women are being treated now like this was not the way that it always was right and they deserve fucking better and nobody deserves anything it's very scary when a country can decline into a religious dictatorship and that a country that didn't used to be because it makes you worry like could that happen here like or any kind of dictatorship like one of i was having a conversation with a friend of mine we were talking about north korea and i had yonmi kim yonmi park rather on who

uh escaped from uh north korea and this is a harrowing story i mean and she, she's a really incredible person. And the way she tells her story and what she went through to get out and eventually get to America. And we were talking about it. I was like, you know what's fucked is like that is happening right now in 2022 with human beings in the world. And that is not happening in America, but it could. All we would need is a series of events to go horribly wrong, whether it's some kind of chaotic war, shutting off the power grid, some sort of a civil unrest, something crazy where some faction of government offered a solution and came in and cracked down on everybody and instituted very rigid guidelines or how you could behave and react. And that's what they did in Korea. They said that in North Korea, they took away people's land and they said, we're going to make sure that you always have food. And the way we're going to do this is by take away your land. So they took away everybody's land and then they were fucked and then no one had any power. No one could do anything. Yeah. They had a, they had a, I've watched a couple of documentaries on North Korea. They had a government program and the plant was called

like, let's all eat one meal a day where everybody like they tried to brainwash people into thinking like this was the way to be. And there was no grain and they had no rice, no food. Everybody got one meal. And when people would visit like foreign emissaries, whatever, they would put on these productions and sing songs about how bountiful their produce and grain was. And it's all, it's all like, it's like a movie set. It's all fake. Yeah. And they will kill three generations of your family if you try to escape. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing. That's the thing. Don't prison them forever. I think about all the time. I get nervous about our country being headed for a civil war because of how like the disparity between the two sides.

And I think about that and I think about I get very upset. Of course, I have a daughter, but I think about like I don't know that I have the financial resources to be OK if that broke out. I don't know how to start a fire. I don't know how to like purify my own water. I think about like those kind of weird things because what do you do? It's not. Well, that's that's a worry for sure. How to get food, how to get water. I think about like those kind of weird things because what do you do? It's not, well, that's, that's a worry for sure. How to get food, how to get water. The real worry is people.

When people get desperate and people get scared and when the resources run low, that's when lawlessness happens. And then you get a Mad Max type deal and it's, it's possible. It'll be over water, I believe. Could be. Yeah. Could be over water i believe could be yeah could be over water it could be over food power it could be over uh you know energy consumption it could be over a lot of things all it all it would take to really have complete unrest in this country is the power to go out for a month don't say that it's true don't say it to the because then someone will do it well they already know they already know. They already know. The people that could do it. It happened in Texas, didn't it?

No. It almost happened. Okay. With a grid. It's happening in California constantly. They tell you to buy an electric car. Everyone has to only, no gas consuming vehicles, no internal combustion engines be sold after 2035. And then the next week they say, don't charge your car.

Right. Because the power grid can't handle it. Again, what is a person supposed to do? That's a good question. And then I have a car that's a hybrid and the computer died. And now it's got a, they're like, we need to call Ukraine to get a part. I'm like, war-torn Ukraine? That's where their priority is sending me a part for my Volvo?

Cool. Like you're so fucked. You're so at the bottom of a food chain. Yeah, well, that's the problem with not having American manufacturing. You know, one of the companies I work with is Origin. It's a company that's trying to bring back American manufacturing clothes,

and they make shoes, and now they're making like hunting wear, and they're trying to, everything is made in America. The cloth, the stitching, the thread, it's put together in america is it at a reasonable price point for what it is it's a very reasonable price point and they're trying to make the best stuff they can with what we have here with what we have here because when you saw during the pandemic one of the things that was really scary was how much medicine is made overseas right and how it was

very difficult to get things like computer chips oh my, my God. And from Taiwan, all of this stuff. We I believe bringing jobs here, creating a robust infrastructure and being self-reliant, not on foreign oil, not on foreign anything. It can't just be that our number one export is military services and entertainment in this broadcast. in this broadcast. Yeah, it's not good. And I think there's a lot of people that woke up to that during the pandemic, but probably not enough. Because as soon as things kind of semi go back to normal, people relax and go with the old ways. And it's just cheaper to get,

look, everyone wants to be a social justice warrior, right? Everyone wants to talk about injustice in the world and they want to do it from a fucking phone that's made by slaves. And that's real. Your fucking phone is pieced together by people who can't afford to do anything else. And they're working 16 hours a day. Well, that's why it's also cheap because of foreign labor laws.

We don't have that here. We have unions and these types of civil rights. And so by and large, you're not getting made in America because it is cheaper. People make more money when they do it somewhere else. So I want to know how much cheaper, how much more would I have to pay for an iPhone if they made it in Ohio? Would you pay people a reasonable living wage, give people health benefits and let them live well?

But how much would it cost? I don't know. Would it cost twice as much? Because I'd pay twice as much. If they had an American version of these phones and a Chinese version of the phones and the American version was, you know, 50% more or whatever, I'd fucking pay it. I think as long as people stand, people in positions of power stand and make a lot of

money, then they don't really care about a crumbling infrastructure. If I'm a, if I am a CEO of a company and my job is to the shareholders, my mission is to them and profit margins, I will take this to another country and I won't care when this all burns cause I'll be on a yacht to Mars. Maybe. But I would think that if a company came along that did offer an American made solution where you don't have to feel gross about buying something that you know is made by people that are working for an insanely low amount of money with no benefits whatsoever, or a place like Foxconn where they make iPhones where they have fucking nets around the building because so many people

have jumped off the building and committed suicide that they surround the building with nets. Did you know that? No. Foxconn. Google this. Foxconn, the company that Apple employed or contracted to construct iPhones, put them together. In China? They're so fucked, and the working conditions are so horrific, that they put nets around these buildings because so many people were jumping to their deaths. Wow. That's another thing, right to death.

Do you have the right to death? You do in Oregon. Right. I have a friend who's dying right now, and he's trying to go to Oregon. He has ALS, and it's really bad. Oh, that's so awful. And he's trying to figure out what to do, and insurance changed his medication, and he's in constant pain now, and he's falling apart.

That's so fucked up. And it's one of those deteriorating, debilitating conditions. It doesn't seem to be a real clear— No, you don't get better from that. No, nothing. There's some hope so far with recently, rather, I should say, with stem cell treatments. Yeah. I don't, I mean, that's...

So this is it. Okay. Those are the nets around Foxconn to keep people from jumping off the fucking roof to their dent. That's going to catch you from the 12 story? Yeah. Yeah. What's made in... I mean, it's not 12 story, but it's high enough to just kill you.

Oh, you say you make an iPhone. I thought it would be like a giant factory. Well, it's a big factory. It's just not, it doesn't have a lot of floors. But so many people were climbing up there and jumping to their death. They put fucking nets around the building. And look at how these people work. Just all day, 16 hours a day.

Yeah. Go back to that picture that you just showed, Jamie. It's a quote. Look at this. One million workers, 90 million iPhones, 17 suicides. Who's to blame? Yeah, that article was from 2011. Yeah, so it's a lot more now.

And that was 2011 was the iPhone was only like five years old then, right? Like when was it? Something like that. 708, something like that. five years old then right like when does it something like that 708 something like that i mean i think this goes to it's such a blurry the lines are so blurred because there's corporate responsibility there's civil responsibility there's moral obligation there's you know and so i think we have in my book i talk about i'm disgusted with the number of options we have. Like there's like eight different colors of blue for Crocs. And I'm disgusted at that.

I'm disgusted that then that's just a piece of plastic that's eventually going to go into the earth. That grosses me out. But people are buying it. So it's not like we're inundated. Like people are buying. They clearly want all those options. Why does that bother you? It bothers me, I guess, because overconsumption, conspicuous consumption grosses me out.

The overconsumption of luxury grosses me out. And just how materialistic our society is. Look, I drive a nice car. I own a home. You don't own any Crocs? I don't own Crocs. I'm not a big, like, I just, it is all damaging for the planet. But you cannot, to blame one branch of that as if

this is they're operating independently like this is all just feeding it and it's so hard to stand for anything because at the end of the day you know like oh i hate capitalism it's like oh but i really want those cups overnight so i'll use amazon there's no every day you wake up and you just have to decide what part of the environment do you want to hurt yeah and you can you're right you're sitting there from a phone and you're sitting there i talk about this in my book and you're sitting there anything you stand for you are ripped apart for because you didn't stand for anything else for something else based on when someone saw you so i'm sitting here and i'm like we have to save the environment and then someone

will be like why do you why are you talking about the environment when women in Iran are dying? Why are you talking about Iran when over here, black children are dying? Why are you talking about that? Don't you care about trans lives? Like whatever you stand for, you're faulted because you didn't fix everything in the moment. Well, that's also social media again. Which becomes very real. It's people not having a nuanced perspective on life in general and and looking for people to be assholes and looking for people to be uh to blame for things but also looking for people to be your end all be all you know asking your celebrities to dress to be a certain thing or to be a good model for your children you're like you're an artist i'm here to entertain people if you don't like something or if

that offends or hurts your kids then that you can control that yeah you should not be looking to anyone to be your god on earth no and uh if Kim Kardashian wants to put fat in her butt what do you care I don't care and Instagram thinks I care and I deeply deeply don't I was reading something that there's a lot of women who are taking some new, there's some like an injection that kills your appetite and they're doing it. What is it called? I actually know exactly what you're talking about because someone. What is it called? It mimics had you had like the stomach surgery, like in terms of appetite curbing. Right.

I know this because yesterday someone told me that someone they know got it. They were talking about the Kardashians. They were talking about how they lose all this weight, like the larger girl, Chloe. They were saying that she's always had a problem with weight. Now she's ripped and that this is what these people are taking. She's larger.

You know what the conspiracy on that one is? She's OJ Simpson's daughter? Yeah. That's a conspiracy. Yeah. I buy it. I'd like to get a strand of her hair and run it through a lab. I bet you can.

I bet they'd sell it to you. How much? I don't know. Probably a million dollars. You just have to brush up against her. True. You probably couldn't get that close. No. Security would tackle you. what i don't know probably you just have to brush up against her true you probably couldn't get that close no security attack with you i there's that fine line you know as a woman it's like you don't

want to win or whatever i have an issue with that whole family's ethos there were parts of them that i thought were so good the older parts and and i guess at the end of the day this goes back to you know you can't have someone be your end all be all. Like whatever they do, they seem sad. And they live in this bubble. They probably have a lot of yes people. I think as a consumer, put on your fucking hat and realize like these people are not – they're selling you tummy tea, detox tea, waist trainers. These are people that are deeply unhappy with their bodies as most women are.

But they don't – you don't have access to the same things they do so you can work out and diet all you want you're never gonna look like that and i think that's really hard for people to wrap their mind around when you look at instagram and stuff it's really there's that disconnect that cognitive disconnect of like no one looks like that but i sure would like to try yeah and this is not a happy person but this is also a person who's been called the larger one and ugly and all these things her whole life so that's this is larger she is larger psychologically i'm not it's not your fault psychologically damaging but she's this shot works i can't believe people now i i can't believe people keep buying into this i haven't taken it yet is it that is it that nft are you gonna you're gonna are you

worried about um but is it um is your appetite bothering you no it wasn't taken it yet. Is it that? Is it that NFT? Are you worried about... Is your appetite bothering you? No, it wasn't that. It's called... I believe this is what it's called. Semaglutide is the actual drug, but there's other names for it. Right there. How many times the Kardashians tried to sell us...

I was trying to see if this is what you were actually talking about. That is Semaglutide is what I read. Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I think I asked them for like a weight loss something because of the stuff I was taking. I was like, I should be losing weight. And they were like, oh, take this.

Well, what are you eating, buddy? No, I changed my diet a little bit. First of all, you're not big. That's where I'm- You're not a big boy. That's why I haven't taken it yet at all either. Can I say he's a big boy? Is that all right?

You can say he's a big boy. You can say big boy. You can say big boy. You can't say big girl. Big boy's a little, yeah, a little- Yeah You can say big boy. You can say big boy. You can't say big girl. Big boy's a little, yeah. It's less offensive. You can say big girl. My thing about the Kardashians is, this is my take,

is like human beings should have personal sovereignty and someone shouldn't influence you that much. Like if that bothers you so much that they're materialistic and that they get their butts done, like that's on you. And the problem though is I'm saying this as a 55 year old wealthy man and i'm not influenced by them but if i was a young girl and i looked to them as being the like that's one of the things that really fucks with people on social media is that you're looking at other people as this these are examples of like what's ideal and then if your

body doesn't match that right of your lifestyle doesn't match that, and then you have this horrible feeling that you're not valuable, you're not worthy. And so the problem is that a lot of people look to these very wealthy people with all this plastic surgery is that that is the highest level of achievement because these are the most popular people, the most social media and the most money. And it influences people in a negative way. I agree with all of it. I agree with all of it. You know, if you're younger, that's not your fault that you are looking at that. If you are older and we'll say like if you're in your 30s, you have seen this family in particular, but just in general, you've seen social media grow and you've seen this family grow and you've seen all of the snake oil over all this time. So for you to be surprised or let down at this point is really more an indictment on your intelligence. Yeah. Really?

Like you think the family that would sell their own children for money, you think the family that sold you tummy tea and diarrhea pills you think diarrhea pills diarrhea you think this did they really have diarrhea pills i think their detox tea gives you diarrhea does that's how you detox you you take a shit i don't think that's the mechanism involved in detoxification detox tea but you would also not take that's why it's not real but But what is it? Tummy tees, they make you take a dump. I literally have never heard people say tummy tea. The most thought I've given to it is saying those words. Just there. I've never thought about it at all.

Chances are it involves taking a shit. Do you know what it is? Even the semi-glutide is going to make you have diarrhea. Where do you think these ties are? They've got to escape from somewhere. You're not sweating out the fat like someone putting in work. But tummy tea, is that real? What the fuck does that do?

Does it just kill your appetite? This was like early 2000s Instagram marketing tummy tea. These are like detox teas. And these family hair gummies, everything, they push to make your hair grow. They sell everything. Isn't it collagen? Like hair, it probably actually does help the health of hair. You can take biotin.

Biotin? You know, but like I take biotin. I'm never going to have like lustrous pony hair. Like it will grow in. Pony hair. I have a baby. So it's like, you know what I look like? All the hairs in the front broke.

You know how like Puerto Rican guys get like the Caesar? Like it's a very like Guido look. That's what I have. Like a full Caesar in the front. Nice. Because your hair breaks. And it will never, it will will never look great no matter how much biotin I take and so I think at a certain age it's on you like if you're still looking at these petulant women as some source of inspiration like that's on you yeah yeah I think so too but I think you're right

about young people the the thing that's fucked is that that empty pursuit of fame for no reason like it used to be that if someone you know if you want if you were younger and you look to some celebrity that was a singer beyonce or whoever it was you're like god i wish i was like her right well that's someone who's like putting out like this incredible work of art that affects millions of people. They dance to it. They sing to it. It's very inspirational and aspirational.

Like, God, that would be amazing to be like her. She inspired me to get into music. She inspired me to pursue my dreams. But when the dreams are just like making money and like sticking your ass, and just taking these doctored pictures. I don't feel the need to defend this family. The one thing I will say, you know, you have someone, however this came about, made a sex tape with a guy she was dating. And that guy's obviously a scumbag. I can respect that she didn't just lay down, and I'm saying this as a joke, and take it. Like that tape leaked or however they got a hold of it,

this was going to be used against her. This guy had the tape, and he's had other tapes. And to pivot, because there are plenty of people who have leaked sex tapes that have not risen like a phoenix, right? Yeah. I can be okay with that, and I can be okay with, and I will say this, and I feel like we've talked about this on the podcast,

but, like, if you are not rail thin, if you have thighs, if you are, you know, and this is for a lot of women of color in particular, but even if you're just a white girl and you don't have Nordic model boy hips, these women sort of champion dressing for your curves. And when you don't see a reflection,

I'm a white upper middle class woman. And I still almost like brought to tears when I put on jeans because my thighs are like a little big. So they kind of made it okay. And I can respect that. But anything else, I'm just, I'm just appalled at them. But I can respect making it okay if you have naturally the curvy body that they have surgery to get. If you have a body like that, I can respect creating a place where, as a girl, you might feel okay about the body that you have. The fucked up thing about that whole skinny look, like really scrawny look, that some women think is attractive, like men don't think it's attractive.

That's not something that guys like in general. It actually has less to do with guys and more to do with an inculcation of an ideal a brainwashing that is hard to unscrub and it has to do i mean it's deeply from modeling photos because models models like hangers the clothing hangs and a lot of gay guys model and they model women's bodies after boys bodies right this is all about how the clothes will hang and it's so built into our society to be smaller which ties to feminism and making yourself smaller but i cannot even though i love my body like i look at those women and i'm like that's what you want

and really skinny it's i'll never have it it doesn't matter but most women like it's just a brainwashing thing and you can't get out of that it's you can acknowledge that that's unattainable but and i talked about this in my stand-up forever ago like every girl looks at her body you're like i just want to lose five pounds even if you don't need to like it's a thing and it has less to do with being attractive to a man and just being acceptable and most men good guys they don't think about women i always try to explain to women like the thing that what you're putting your body through and what you're putting yourself through mentally with thinking you're unacceptable. Most men aren't looking at you like that. You at your worst, your husband's probably still like that looks really good. Right. Like if your wife didn't shave her legs perfectly, are you going to leave the room?

No. shave her legs perfectly are you going to leave the room no and i think this has to do with self-esteem and the way that we treat that we educate women and the disinformation about their bodies vaginas thighs hips all that stuff that good men don't actually care about all that bullshit yeah i think it's the the skinny the really skinny thing it has to be from models it is it has to be because it's not like evolutionarily it's not an attractive frame like evolutionarily they say that wide hips and large breasts and all that indicates fertility and that's exactly that's why men are attracted to it naturally that's exactly right but that skinny thing is just so odd because like when you see the cover of vogue or Vanity Fair and

there's some girl with like that gaunt face and they're walking and swishing with this little tiny frame body it's because something's unattainable sometimes it becomes very attractive to people that can't attain it it's also ubiquitous like for the longest time up until quite recently like that is what was shown to you. Those models, those designers show those models in pictures, in magazines. This is what, like, your body was wrong, and that's what it should look like. And clothing was made for those bodies. And so you grow up, and then all of a sudden, all bodies, all shapes are acceptable, but we can't undo the brainwashing in the back of your brain of, like, your your whole upbringing, knowing that like, because you didn't look like that, your body was wrong.

I wonder if there's ever been a study on the uptick in anorexia in like accordance with like how it correlates with fashion magazines. I think it's something like 100%. Like when did it happen? Like when, like was anorexia around in the 1800s or people are starving to death? So being thin, being fat was always a sign of wealth. I'm positive that you know this. Yeah.

And the ability to like have food and have animal meat and chew the fat actually comes from when you'd have your neighbors over. You would break out the fat and you would chew on it with your neighbors. This is like pre-industrial revolution. Yeah. You know? And then – and like the way women's bodies looked, an hourglass figure was seen as attractive. But you can't have an hour – you can't exacerbate your hourglass figure without a whalebone corset. And people would faint from these.

That's why we had fainting couches. So women's bodies were always through the lens of what was, uh, look, what looked fertile to a man. And so many, so much of this stuff fluctuates so much. I mean, a tan, having a tan, which is like so important now used to be a sign that you worked in the fields that you worked outside. Coco Chanel came back from the French Riviera with a tan and all of a sudden everybody wanted one. These things are ephemeral. These things are fleeting. These things are minute to minute thin eyebrows, you know, now have bushy eyebrows. Kim Kardashian always had a black woman's body. She modeled her body after a black woman's body. That is a fact. Having the bigger butt. She had a bigger butt,

but getting a bigger, bigger thighs. None of it. Her thighs were thin. It never matched her butt. She was emulating what a lot of women of color naturally have then she stops dating black men and she starts eating pete davidson and all of a sudden she's thin and i think that's disgusting have your body go with that aesthetic be what you want to be move into it why shouldn't she have the choice she can't she does have the choice why is it disgusting if she doesn't like the big, big tit look and she wants to shrink her body down. It doesn't feel like it's for you. I don't know.

You'd have to ask her. But also it's reinventing yourself. It's like a Madonna thing. She's always reinventing her look or was back in the day. Changing your hair color is one thing. Getting really toned is another thing. This is a huge difference based on the type of person that you're dating.

Or semaglutide. Get that semaglutide. Maybe it's that tummy tea. I don't know what it is. Tummy tea gives you diarrhea. Medieval times, as it goes back to. Oh, anorexia. History of anorexia and neurosis began descriptions of religious fasting during the Hellenistic era and continued into

the medieval period. Wow. The medieval practice of self-starvation by women, including some young women in the name of religious piety and purity, also concerns anorexia neurosa. It is sometimes referred to as anorexia mirabilis. So. Mirabilis? mirabilis. So. Mirabilis? Mirabilis.

The earliest medical descriptions of anorexic illnesses are generally credited to English physician Richard Morton in 1889. Oh, excuse me. So. 1689. There's an inextricable connection between women losing weight and like they talk about this one, your connection to being pious. And you can even see that connection today when you see women.

Look at their Instagram profile, right? And they are fully plucked, bleached hair, giant cap teeth, right? And, you know, very Orange County. And their bio will say like God first. There is. Did you ever read the Canterbury Tales? No. One of the characters, I want to say it was the Prioress, who was this very pious holy woman, but he goes into great length describing how expensive her outfit was. And there's this connection like looking expensive, being close to godliness.

Like the better I look, like clearly I'm a good Christian. Like look at how thin I am. Look how small I've made myself. Look at how much I've done this. And you're actually just keeping yourself weaker. You don't see men doing that as much. So there's, it all has to do with like contrition, being small and staying in line. Yeah. That's interesting, right? There's not a lot of anorexia with men, is there? Some men. I mean, it's a thing guys have it yep a lot of uh like what's the let's see google this it says it in here uh but it it goes into other uh body dysmorphia

steroids and other things like that right but what is it is like the percentage of uh men versus women that have anorexia like how much how much of a disparity is it? Because it must be. Estimated to occur in 0.9 to 4.3% of women and 0.2 to 0.3% of men in Western countries at some point in their life. So it's a big jump. Yeah. There's so much. I mean, we are, I mean, the first thing you often talk about with a woman is her body or her looks.

And then we get into something else. You know, you're so, we lead with that. Right. I have to think about that when I walk into a room or when i walk on stage in a way that a guy doesn't have to and you can choose to not participate but it's still scrutiny that you face right and it all is connected to falling in line making yourself small and adhering to a standard so i think it's you looked at as a not a heretic or a dissident when you, when you are outside of that, when you have a bigger body, you know, it's seen as outlandish. Like look at how angry people get at Lizzo because she's a large woman who like dares

to be large versus being like, I'm so sorry. I will work on this. Is that why they get angry at her? I don't think she's, look, first first of all i'm not paying attention to anyone getting angry at lizzo so i'm just guessing here but i don't know any what is what's the anti-lizzo i mean i don't group i'm not a lizzo fan or not a fan but people i'm not a fan of how angry people get at she's fat which is something in our society that we don't like conservative uproar over the James Madison flute thing. I think they were worried that she was twerking while she had this 200-year-old flute. They're not worried about the flute. I don't get it.

They're not worried about the flute. I don't get it. I don't get most people what they get upset at. I really don't. I don't give a fuck what people do as long as they're not hurting anybody else. That's what I'm saying. This girl, God forbid you are a larger black girl and you grew up with no one to look at and then you get a girl like this. So let them look at her. Let them be okay with her. You don't have to listen to her music. I think it's what we're talking about earlier with social media. It's this outrage that just people look at things to get upset by.

There's so many people that wake up in the morning, they grab their phone, they go, what am I pissed off at today? And they just scroll scrolling through Instagram and scrolling through TikTok and scrolling through their newsfeed. And they find something to get pissed about. And then they post it and hope people will get upset with them. With them. And I'll do you one better. Not just get upset with them. They hope in taking you down, they can then have your light and replace you. They're hoping to capitalize off of taking you down, they can then have your light and replace you. They're hoping to capitalize off of taking you down, which is why they've done it publicly.

If you get a podcaster that's like, I fucking hate Joe Rogan, he's hoping that all of your listeners will be like, yeah, fuck him and then go over to his podcast. They want to replace you.

This is not, and devour you. And so that's the danger of social media is that you get these people who think their shit don't stink and then they try toour you. And so that's the danger of social media is that you get these people who think their shit don't stink and then they try to cancel you. You ever heard the, there's a great quote,

all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. I completely agree with that. I don't think all criticism, but I think a lot. I think there's different types of criticism. There's critique and there's criticism. Well, there's valid criticism about things. But then there's also a lot of social behavior, particularly online.

I think it applies online in a great way. I think it's, you know what I think it is? I think not enough people have been punched in the fucking face. Whoa. Think about that. Sounds like me. There's a way that you talk to people, right? Like no respect.

Now you're talking about me. I'm just saying. I mean, there's a reason we're friends. The people, the way they sound off, I always say at the end of the day, like, as a comic, you might say things that you make a mistake or whatever, but at least I had the guts to say it, put my face with it, and stand there in front of people and say it. I didn't fire it off from the fucking toilet behind an avatar of a dumpster. Like, at least I had that.

And nobody ever comes up to you in person and says what they said online. Right. Because they don't have the ball. I don't want them to. I don't want to get in a fight, but at least give respect to the person who's willing to stand there and take the heat, take the joke, take the laugh. Yeah. I think there's a real issue that comedians have in particular of reading too many people's opinions i think i think it's bad for you i don't really do it is bad and i don't think you have to because you are sitting at the top of a very big pile of many and you have this and you don't have to you are not on the ground trying to you know but i stopped before i had to i mean I I could have read all that stuff years ago but at some point in time

I had made a conscious decision I'm like this is not healthy I don't feel good and it's also it's not representative of did you see that fucking thing today you know Elon Musk is going ahead and he's buying Twitter he's going ahead with the deal. The people rejoice. Yes. I rejoice. Fuck censorship. There was someone who was a I think it was a software security specialist who believes that as many as 80%

of the accounts on Twitter are fake. That was the high estimation. Did you read that? That's so fucked up. Yeah, Jimmy Dore was talking about it on his podcast. And I saw the YouTube clip of it. But it sounds insane.

Because Elon was speculating that it could be as high as 20 or 30%, I think he was thinking. Because, you know, it's hard to know. But, I mean, if they decide, like, here it is, over 80% of Twitter accounts are likely bots. Former FBI security specialist. Holy fucking shit. Like what's the point of using the platform then? Well, I think maybe there's a way to find out if a person's a bot at some point in time. Okay, listen to this. Former FBI agent

noted that bots are generally designed to accomplish a goal. In Twitter's case, a key goal is to gain followers. More followers mean that an account becomes more influential and could potentially be a security risk. What's interesting is that there's means to get bots for Twitter

with countless entities offering Twitter accounts followers, likes, and retweets for a fee. Some are even offered in the dark or deep web. This is also an explanation for someone who hasn't used the internet before. Right. I feel like this is, I think I showed you this on the podcast like four years ago. Right, but it was before they thought it was that many, right? So look at this.

Woods used these services for a Twitter account he created, and sure enough, they do work. The former FBI agent paid less than $1,000, but the account has now gained almost 100,000 followers. Woods even tried posting straight gibberish and paying a fee to have his followers retweet it, and they did. Oh, gibberish. Sorry. Yeah, gibberish. Nonsense. With this experience in mind, Woods took his test further, and the results were pretty damning for Twitter's anti-bot measures. He says, I began to wonder how easy it would be to create a Twitter account using automation. I'm not a

programmer, but I research automation frameworks on YouTube and Stack Overflow. Turns out it's easy. Taking my testing to the next level over a weekend, I wrote a script that automatically creates Twitter accounts. My rather unsophisticated script was not blocked by any countermeasures. I didn't try to change my IP address or user agent or do anything to conceal my activities. If it's that easy for a person with limited skills, imagine how easy it is for an organization

of highly skilled, motivated individuals. That's why it's creepy because once... So Elon Wright goes, sure sounds higher than 5%. Oh, yeah. So it's like, what are we doing here? It's just- Some people are using it.

There's real people. Content farming content. But it's like we have to learn how to separate noise. And the problem is when it's like opinion-based stuff, they can influence other people's opinions by saying outrageous things about people. And do it like that's why it's scary is during election time. Because if they're using these things to try to change the way people view things, there's a lot of people that are very easily influenced. And if they can use these Twitter bots. Capital should be safe.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that if I were president, and feel free to poke a hole in this, your social security number is tied to your social media handle. I think that's a great idea. And you can say whatever you want, but just know there's ramifications. And if you want to, and there will be a committee to see if you were stupid or in on it when it comes to dispensing disinformation. Because it's not your fault if you thought something was true or good. to dispensing disinformation. Because it's not your fault if you thought something was true or good,

but if you are deliberately saying things like school shootings don't happen, Sandy Hook was a joke, you should be held accountable for this. And someone was. But you should be held accountable for the information that you espouse. Just like we are.

I think that might be the only way to do it is to connect a social media account to a social security number. That's the only thing that you have from birth? Well, that was the only way to do it is to connect a social media account to a social security number. That's the only thing that you have like from birth? Well, that was the only way. Like otherwise, this thing that he's talking about, how else would you stop that? But then there's problems like what if you tweeted anti-government stuff and you lived in a country where the government was autocrat government and they cracked down on you and had you killed because they could connect you to the post where you

couldn't have an anonymous account because anonymous whistleblowers are very important. That's true too. I mean that's what Arab Spring was all about. That's how – I mean you can overthrow bad governments with that too. Maybe just with – I mean then you can't do it within the U.S. because it's a global thing. Again, I don't have the answer. But there is just no – people just go on they say horrific things they incite horrific things and there's no and then they just turn it off and it's

and it's gone so there should be a way to connect it just so there's some culpability yeah but i'm sure they'll find a way to make that dark i mean culpability i think is important but also is important is that we we figure out like i mean human beings have to get way better at communicating with each other over these platforms because they're so new. And we don't really you know, we don't have a historical precedent of how to behave and treat people through social media. Of course not. It's all in real time. Yeah. And everyone's punished in real time. And what's so fucking weird is that everybody acts as if they're doing it perfectly. Yeah.

Well, until it comes down on them. There's a lot of those wokesters to get fucking tackled. It's hilarious. It will come down on you. A lot of people who are throwing rocks eventually get pelted in the fucking head with one. It's like, wow. That's what I'm saying, bro. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. All right. I got to get out of here. Thank you, Lizaiza i have to go to special i've had to pee for quite some time and i've held it oh had my tummy teeth congratulations um your special comes out uh october 11th hot forever is out october 11th forever it's forever baby hot forever forever and your book is out is it now? It's pre-order now and it's out October 11th

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