The Joe Rogan Experience - #1891 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, and host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast. http://www.duncantrussell.com/

The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Hello, Duncan. Hello. I don't think this is going to work. Oh my God, I can't see. Oh, fuck. I can't see oh fuck i can't like i can't see at all i don't know how you're supposed to see it this is a deadly outfit i guess i'll just put that on when i want to say something incriminating yeah what do you mean well the police. So pull up that article, Jamie, at the beginning of this podcast.

We should probably go right into this. Because apparently the Department of Homeland Security and Twitter were working together. Are we on? Yeah. I don't hear me. There we go. So the Department of Homeland Security, they had a plan to police information and they were working with Twitter in some fashion. Like, look at this.

Quietly broadening its effort to curve speech it considers dangerous. Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know. An investigation by The Intercept has found years of internal DHS memos, emails, and documents obtained via leaks and an ongoing lawsuit, as well as public documents illustrate the expansive effort by the agency to influence the tech platforms. The work, much of which remains unknown to the American public, came into clear view earlier this year when DHS announced a new disinformation governance board. Good lord. A panel designed to police misinformation, false information spread unintentionally. Disinformation, false information spread internally. Intentionally.

Intentionally, excuse me. And malinformation, factual information shared typically out of context with harmful intent. Malinformation is a weird one. Malinformation? Yeah. Because it's factual, but it's shared typically out of context. With harmful intent. That's where you're like, look, you don't understand why we mowed down those reporters with a chopper.

It's out of context. You can't just show the video. While the board was widely ridiculed, immediately scaled back, and then shut down within a few months, other initiatives are underway as DHS pivots to monitoring social media now that its original mandate, the war on terror,

has been wound down. So that's been wound down, apparently. Platforms have got to get comfortable with government. It's really interesting how hesitant they remain. Microsoft executive Matt Masterson, former DHS official, texted Jen Easterly. Look at that. Platforms have got to get comfortable with government. What does that mean?

I don't know. Tim Pool sent me this this morning. I didn't get a chance to read. I was in the gym. Look, you got to get comfortable with government. Yeah, that's what I've been saying. Just get comfortable. Yeah, why aren't you comfortable?

Cozy up. Why aren't you comfortable? Put on some sweatpants. Cozy up. Wow. That's creepy. I mean, I guess we all kind of suspected it though right it's not like anybody that's is that a shocker well what what uh tim pool said is that twitter was working with them that uh they i guess they weren't being honest about it they were working with them

what were you telling me that jimmy k Kimmel tweeted something and tried to delete it? Yeah, it looks like I could be wrong about this, but Kimmel was pissed at Musk. Why? For buying Twitter. Why does he care? What is he mad about? So basically, like, a lot of people seem to be really upset with Elon for buying Twitter because Elon is saying that he's not going to censor Twitter anymore. He's going to let all the band people are going to get back on, apparently.

It's like they're trying to figure out how to do it. And so this has upset a lot of people who were happy with the idea that it was being like hyper moderated in a way I think that fits in with their politics. Yeah, that was the idea. So like their team was in control for a second. And now somebody, you know what it reminds me of? It's like when a new booker shows up at a comedy. And all the comics start talking shit. It's like scary. It has been interesting over the years to watch you blossom from the electric car guy into a fully formed piece of shit. Wow.

And look, see, it says this tweet was deleted by the tweet author. Learn more. He was replying to a tweet that elon tweeted and what was the tweet elon deleted which i think was that was a tweet where it's this uh it's like the santa monica observer or something like that was tweeting something about the paul pelosi attack and that santa monica observer has been known to tweet things that aren't correct, or at least has, or not tweet, publish things that aren't correct. At least has in one instance that they were citing. Something about Hillary Clinton.

I don't know. But, you know, I think what Elon tweeted was there's a tiny chance that we might not be getting the full story, and then he tweeted that story. Yeah. This is the idea that maybe Paul Pelosi knew this guy because people have been trying to pin that guy and say that he was a right-wing MAGA guy, but didn't he live in some fucking hippie collective and he made hemp jewelry?

He did Woo2Q pipeline. He went Woo2Q pipeline. He went Woo2Q. So like he apparently had some kind of blog or something. I think he started off Woo, super hippie, ayahuasca, mystical, and then gradually kind of devolved into Q. QAnon. QAnon. kind of devolved into Q. QAnon.

QAnon. The best analysis I saw of it was a reporter saying that what the real story here is not like, is that there's people who are psychotic all over San Francisco from doing so much speed, meth, drugs. That's the real story. The real story is that all over like the great cities of America, people are like high as a fucking kite and have been for so long that they're like spinning out of control and that's what it is

that's the story of stories is like yeah sure this guy went woo to q very common it happens you start off you're like into like taking supplements that leads to a new supplement you've never heard of that leads to like some weird website you go to the next thing you know you're rubbing weird balm all over your body with a under a crystal still fine still cool but somewhere along the way you you get on like one of these slides that lead you down into Q. And then the next thing you know, you're like completely like deep in that. So that's what I've heard. He's wooed a Q, wooed a Q pipeline.

Yeah. I like that term. Is that a new term? Wooed a Q? I've never heard that before. It's been floating around for a little bit. It's just like, it's just one of the, you know, it's one of the things that happens. It's like yeah you know robert anton wilson the great robert anton wilson his recommendation is maintain agnosticism when

it comes to the exploration philosophically of these of anything really but so when you're contemplating this or that let yourself believe it but don't believe it all the way maintain agnosticism you can like play around with the idea that the earth is flat you can play around with the idea that uh the illuminati elite run the planet you can play around with any idea you want in fact in the great simulator of your brain but don't go all the way if you go all the way that's where you can start spiraling out. Here, Wu Anan, the creep of QAnon into Southern California's New Age world. Yeah, that's it. Oh, wow.

Wu to Q. Wow. Wu to Q pipeline right there. Okay, so this is a new thing. Okay, so this is a new thing You know, I think part of the problem with a lot of these theories Is that some people I'm just going to try to say this as Kindly as possible

They don't have good brains And I say this as a person who has like a decent brain Yeah But I know people with fantastic brains It's not, there's no fairness. You know, I met this guy the other night. This poor guy, I don't know what was wrong with him. But he was like hunched over and, you know, he was very, very frail and hunched over.

And whether this is because of a disease or whether this is because, I don't know what was wrong. Something was wrong with him. And I'm like, this is not fair. It's not fair. This guy got just a shit roll of the dice. Yeah. Now he has this body that's failing him. And then you can meet someone like Francis Ngannou,

who has this insanely perfect body. He's like the super alpha. Right. UFC heavyweight champion, foot 6 265 pounds of just pure athleticism it's not fair and then the same applies

to I think everything like all sorts of aspects of being a human being and the same applies to the way your brain works and if you're a person who unfortunately for no fault of your own You you you have this brain. That's like not that good. Yeah, and it can't discern Things that are illogical it can't it can't make reasonable conclusions. Yeah, you can't look at things objectively

It just can't right it's like like a two-gear car. It's like and then other people have a Tesla and that thing can just sort of maneuver around oh, I see what's going on here. Oh, this is a conflux of all these conspiracy theories that all come

together and this person has unfortunately adopted these Wholesale right and hasn't looked into them at all Yeah Now thinks there's lizard people that are shape changers that are behind closed doors that are running the world Yes, and they're trying to collapse all the societies You know there's There's a real benefit to letting the the fucking culture figure out what's right and what's wrong.

But along the way, people are going to get tricked. They're going to get duped. And some people are going to fall into the hands of very manipulative people that are very charismatic. Yeah. And they have wacky fucking ideas about lizard people or whatever it is whatever look at fucking Heaven's Gate Jonestown yep. Yep. Fuck think of that like how out of it

Do you have to be to get to the point where someone is like it's time to drink Cyanide or and you know, you've been doing the test or something every day for a while But how out of it like if you want It that's see that's what's scary about being human. We're hackable We're fucking hackable. Yeah, and people are really good at hacking us and you you might think you have the most incredible mind of all time But you're still susceptible in the same, you've got a great immune system. Have you ever been hypnotized?

Yeah, I got hypnotized. My mom hypnotized me and a wart came off my hand. Isn't that weird? She was like studying psychology. She hypnotized me. I had this wart on this finger. And then over the next few days, it just kind of like fell off. Hypnosis is real, man.

Yeah. It really does work. But what it is is not what everybody thinks it is. I think before, well, I should just correct that. It's not what I thought it was. I thought like you don't know what's going on and you go into like some sort of a trance and the person can get you to do anything. Give me your ATM code.

But what it really is is like it puts you in a state of mind where you're very aware that you're in the state of mind and i've been thinking about it a lot and i've been thinking about like the cult thing a lot and just the the the cult of joining one party or another party too you know like deciding you're a conservative or deciding you're a progressive. I think it's a part of the design of the human animal that got us to cooperate in tribes. I think in order for things to work and function, you have to have a very strong inclination that there's one leader. Right. And then, you know, you have to have resistance to that to find the better next leader. Right. And then, you know, you have to have resistance of that to find the better next leader. Right.

And so that's where people get angry at this one person that's running the whole thing. But I think that when you scale that out to like 300 million people, it just doesn't work. How could it? It doesn't work. It's chaos. Yeah. We didn't design it for that. Right.

Or whatever designed us, I should say. Didn't design us for that. Designed us for like tribes of 150 people. I think what the internet is, is the great connector. And the internet is connecting reality with this animal that desires to have a singular leader right because it wants someone to protect the tribe But then the internet is like spitting and pissing and shitting all over that it's like an antidote to it right like the like Twitter's Twitter's fact-checking the president night States is incorrect fact right which is Crazy that that's happening well this is the emperor wears no clothes yes that's the fable right like there's naked dudes going around everybody's scared of them so they're like beautiful robes yeah and then some kid is like

he's naked look he's obviously naked and then another person's like, oh, yeah, you're right. He is. It's like that is the pot. That is the, like, I guess the hope of the internet is that truth comes out and it destabilizes bad power structures. Bad structures. Exactly. You want to. You want to throw a monkey wrench into shit that doesn't work so that it, like, stops working and you rebuild instead of patching up old wobbly things that are like smokes coming out gears are flying off and you're supposed to

pretend like it's working right that's where it gets creepy it's like you know if the if the machine that is failing starts telling tech companies or whoever like what is real and what isn't then a broken machine is then like articulating truth which then so if someone starts telling the truth then who wears no clothes and then like twitter throws up underneath like this is potential misinformation or whatever that's why this Department of Homeland Security thing is so creepy. Because that would be the same people, the same people that are telling you things that are factually inaccurate or that are getting fact checked on Twitter would be the very people that would get to dictate what is mal-information.

Yeah. Like mal-information was the craziest one like everybody thinks you shouldn't be able to say things that aren't true right or if you do you must correct them like you are you are you telling the truth are you manipulating with lies right you can't manipulate with lies so if maybe you said something and you thought it was true let's correct that yeah but if you just keep doing that over and over and over again you never admit that and then you're the one who gets to dictate what's malinformation right it's like the death throes of a dying system and it's reaching out in a time and it's acting and

behaving the way it used to be able to behave when it had total access to what people get informed about or not. Right. It had complete control of that at one point in time. Well, it's massive. I mean, we're talking about how many offices are filled with people working for the government right now? Like how many if you put them in a building? Like would the building go all the way to the moon? Would it be like a high rise?

Probably the moon would be covered with government office buildings. But, like, it's massive. And then it's so huge that, you know, just people get put into departments. And some of the people that get put in the departments are good, smart people. And some of the people that get put in the departments, they suck. Right, like everything in all walks of life. Yeah, right. That's all it takes.

So you get one, like, everybody's had a shitty manager. You get one shitty manager in some job where, like, he's got a little more power than he's supposed to have. And then he's probably got people around him who are like, this is a bad idea. And he's like, well, you're fired. And then people come in who are like, this is a really good idea. He's like, you're a genius if you think this is a bad idea and he's like well you're fired and then people come in who are like this is a really good idea he's like you're a genius if you think this is a good idea because it is then you have this like terrible geometry of like where the contagion happens where this one asshole like starts getting surrounded by concentric circles of assholes

and then those people have so much power and um and that's i think what's going on with it is it's just like there's just too many people running things and of those people there's got to be some that are great i know there is and there's some that are just abject monstrous power hungry coked up assholes and i think that's when you start seeing shit like that it's clearly a sign of I mean again maybe I'm being naive but I'd like to imagine that that's coming from like a few assholes that's not coming from the totality of the U.S. government all of it it's just coming from like what a thousand assholes but then there's also the real problem of actual misinformation that's being spread by bad parties, right? Like, we know that.

We know that there's misinformation that gets spread by bad governments, by, like, our enemies. Like, we know that there's a whole industry to, like, these Russian troll farms. Sure. Yeah, like these Russian troll farms sure, you know, we've talked about this before but in on Facebook 19 of the top 20 Christian sites were being run by Russian troll farm. Yeah, I remember you saying that You know how nuts that is up. That means they're like they're Like some conversations that are insane. They don't make any sense. Like how is this? How is this a conversation? Well, it might not be It might be

right we're getting manipulated it might be there's a bunch of and then the problem with people we were talking about before that we have this natural inclination to follow leaders we do that online too man and if there's like some really good tweets that point in a certain direction people will start agreeing with it right people are easily the idea that manipulation only applies to like verbal or or or written in a statement no it fucking applies to tweets too you can manipulate people dude i get manipulated all the fucking time are you kidding me i'm like always getting caught up in bullshit online i like go through like phases of like yeah oh my god i i pendulum between teams or i'll get caught up in some, like, deep, crazy conspiracy.

Like, it's a very potent. By the way, I'm not saying it's potent because I get manipulated easily, but it's a potent drug. Yes, it is. It's a potent drug. There's all kinds of operators. It's not just Russian troll forums. It's discordians. It's just basic like trolls who are bored. It's who knows what. Probably some cult we'll never know about. Just some weird cult on an island somewhere with some nefarious purpose that's like trying to put. And maybe like the horrible idea is, OK, we can control the ocean of madness. That's what we're going to do because some of these people are other states trying to cause discord in our society that could lead to a civil war, the collapse of the United States.

We've got to do something about this. Call up Twitter. Listen, it's a problem. You've got to let something about this. Call up Twitter. Listen, it's a problem. You've got to let us tell you what's real and what's not real. And at first, maybe that's great. It's like, look, this is 100% coming from Russian trolls. This, whatever this is, this is Russian AI trolls. But then, all of a sudden, the president calls that department.

He's like, hey, is there any way that you could also start applying that to uh people who say that i seem like i'm kind of out of it you know what i mean but it's not even him he's not making that call it's like yeah his butler, it's all, imagine, just imagine. You know how, like, if you're a lawyer and you have, like, a sneaky suspicion that your client is probably guilty, but it's your job to get them off. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's your job. You have to. Yeah, if you're a lawyer, your job is not to make a judgment in your head.

I think maybe this guy's lying and maybe he did it. Your judgment is to try to get your client off. That's it. And that's why a lot of defense attorneys, man, that's a slippery fucking weird world to be in, right? Don't you think it's the same way in the government?

If you're a person, if you're that poor lady who's the White House press secretary. Worst job ever. It's the fucking worst job. Worst job. It's the worst job. You get all the hate of the president and none of the power.

And fucking everybody hates you. Yeah, you're like a punching bag. You just have to absorb that every day. And you're under like extreme stress. You're a person, like no one knows who you are all of a sudden you have to speak publicly for the country that is such an insane role yeah and and to be young like this lady is doing it now like how old is she 30 something young she's so young young to to be in a position like that where you have a notebook in front of you and you have to answer these complex questions of what the fuck is going on in Yemen?

Right. Why are we giving so much money to Ukraine? The president feels, the president, you're fucking talking for the whole country. Yeah. That's such a crazy role. You have to go into a meeting and they tell you what you're probably she's 48 she looks great god damn i always thought she's like 33 she's healthy as fuck healthy healthy press secretary but yeah you got to go in a meeting you have to like they're gonna tell you

like look they're gonna ask you about this for sure. Yesterday, we saw the vice president and the vice president. This obviously didn't happen. The vice president grabbed a baby out of someone's arms and threw the baby on the ground. Now, the reason this happened is because we accidentally dosed her with some new MK Ultra shit. And she thought that she was like a Greek goddess. And the baby was like a Hydra head. Don't worry about it. It was a bad experiment,

but anyway, you, they're going to ask you, why did the vice president throw the fucking baby on the ground? You don't tell them we drugged her with an accidentally with MK ultra drug. You got to say, uh, low blood sugar.

Uh, the vice president is having low blood sugar and, and her hand shook and she didn't really throw the baby. Obviously, you've got to like go out there with that just load of shit and figure out a way to say it. Not just to like one reporter, but to like 20. They did like one will ask. And the whole world. The whole world. The whole world's watching.

Yeah. Yeah. You have to come up with some weird turn of phrase that doesn't make any sense. Like when she had to explain why Joe Biden was bringing up a woman who was dead. Top of mind. Top of mind. She was top of mind. Yeah.

I mean, it was really like the it was like for what she had to work with. It was some incredible gaslighting. Amazing. She stuck to top of mind. Top of mind's a good one because it's nonsense. Because you're sitting there thinking, like, what does top of mind mean? It's a new thing you can say. You're getting distracted by it. So you're like, it's top of mind.

Top of mind. Top of mind. And she just kept saying, it was top of mind. You know, top of mind. T-O-M. Top of mind. Okay, what? Reporters are like but but they're all thinking is i don't even know that top of mind exists that's brilliant because i i don't think she just came up with top of mind i think they're sitting back there like

just say top of mind over and over i think that exactly is probably what happens like there's probably some sort of consultation. And what's the best phrasing? Top of mind? Top of mind sounds good. Yeah, top of mind. That's good. That's real good.

So that's her job. Just like a defense attorney. It's their job to try to get their client off. That's her job. What? What happened? Oh, that was, I thought you had an interjection. No, it was just the—

This? Her. Here we go. As you all know, you guys were watching today's event, a very important event on food insecurity. The president was naming the congressional champions on this issue and was acknowledging her incredible work. This was after he called out her name when she was dead. The Congresswoman's family to the White House on Friday. There will be a bill signing in her honor this coming Friday.

So, of course, she was on his mind. She was of top of mind for the president. He very much looks forward to discussing her remarkable legacy of public service with them when he sees her family this coming friday he said jackie are you here where's jackie she must not be here no i totally understand i just i just explained she was on top of mind look at her eyes fluttering what we were able to witness today and what the president was able to lift up in this at this conference at this event was how her her focus on wanting to deal with combat food insecurity in America. Pause, pause, please. Imagine if this is someone working for you.

Imagine if you're in an office somewhere. Yeah. Duncan, you're the CEO of a corporation. imagine if you're in an office somewhere yeah duncan you're the ceo of a corporation and something like this happens and this person explains what happened to you you'd go i can't have you work for me anymore because you're a liar oh i thought you're lying i thought you meant no if you're if you're like a ceo of a company and this late like you like have a meeting of like there's some sort of a disaster took place. Like, what happened? And then you're confronted with information like this. Nobody said over and over again, where's Jackie? Is Jackie here? Jackie must not be here.

Like, are you trying to say that he didn't forget that she was dead? Because now I can't trust you about anything. Right. You've sacrificed for the obvious any trust that i could have in you about anything in the future yeah because it's so obvious right well i mean that's their job i mean that's their job is to like professionally but it doesn't work here's the thing it doesn't work it kind of works does it kind of work it kind of fucking works man it works because you have to drop it you have the news cycle won't you can't keep going back to top of mind the news cycle's got to move on they know

that you just you just like you know slow it down enough and then some other shit happens and then everybody gets memory old people forget about it and then it just it moves on imagine if biden was doing your brain surgery and everyone was trying to tell you he's great. He's fine. There's nothing wrong. Oh, my God. Can you fucking imagine? Imagine you have a rare sort of brain disease. You have to open you up,

and it's only like a 7 out of 10 chance you'll even survive the operation. Imagine if he was your Uber driver. Oh, my God. Oh my god Yeah we don't have to play it We've all heard him do it You want to play it? Do you feel like playing it? I was just showing you

Do you want to play it? I want to thank all of you here for including bipartisan elected officials like Representative Gover and Senator Braun, Senator Booker, Representative Jackie. Are you here? Where's Jackie? I didn't think she was going to be here to help make this a reality. And thanks to Senator Stabenow, Representative DeLauro for their leadership. What happened? You'd be like, Grandpa, Grandpa. And thanks to Senator Stabenow, Representative DeLauro for their leadership. You'd be like, Grandpa. Grandpa.

He's a grandpa. He's a grandpa. We put a very, very old man in the most stressful job on Earth. On Earth. On Earth. On Earth. Worse than working in an Amazon warehouse. Yeah, man. Like a job that if I had that fucking job, I'd probably be like talking like that too.

But just because I'd be blasted on ketamine all the fucking time. I'd be like so high because it's the only way you could cope with it. How could you even cope with it if you're high? It's ridiculous. If you were a logical person, you'd be like, we have to disband this position. This position is ridiculous. Yeah. We might as well be a king.

I'm the king of this land for four years. And for four years, I'll be a just king. Yeah, I'll be a good king to the land. It's a brutal job. It works if there's 150 people. What do they get paid? What is the- It's not a good salary for what they get.

What is the president- 400K, I think. 400K. We're paying our fucking president. That's one Burt Kreischer show. What the fuck? We should be paying them more. If we're paying them more, maybe more people will be like getting the job.

Like they should get, shouldn't they get at least like what, like, I don't know, an A celebrity gets for one movie. Shouldn't they at least get that? We're going to pay them half a million dollars to like... What's even creepier is they all wind up being insanely wealthy. I wonder how that happens. It's really interesting. What happens is they give speeches.

So they give speeches to these people that help them get into position of being a president. So like, say if there's a large corporation. A large corporation, they donate a lot of money towards campaigns, and they also, oink, oink, we'd love to hear you talk someday. Wait, you're not saying the corporations that give hundreds of millions of dollars for the president to come give the speech are actually secretly bribing them, are you, Jeff? Well, that doesn't even make sense. No one would think that. Why would you do that? I would just think it's a really fortuitous pipeline

to insane wealth to become a president and then give speeches. Well, listen, if I was running a big corporation, you better believe I'd love to have a president come and give a five-minute speech. A friend of mine saw Hillary Clinton speak once. What did she say? He said it was really weird.

It's like you're just watching someone get paid. Yeah. You're just watching some boring ass speech. I remember when Giuliani, Giuliani came to California. And some people I know went to see that too. And it was the same sort of thing. They were like, this is weird. It was like right after 9-11.

And it's like, wow, you're just here seeing a guy get paid. They're just saying a bunch of things. And they're like, OK, another 10 more minutes. And then I'm going to get out of here. And what am I doing? What are those speeches? Imagine a speech that's worth a half a million dollars. Imagine you're going to bring a president in. And he's going to give a speech to all your CEOs and all these folks.

It's going to be worth in value to you a half a million dollars. Half a million dollars speech is a great speech. It's not like Fluffy selling out the Dodger Stadium and crushing and doing stand-up and having people cry laughing for an hour and a half. No, no, no. He's just going to go. He's not an act. He's not rolling stones he's not tool he's just gonna go up there and they're gonna talk about things that everybody already agrees on like the environment is a real issue yeah we're gonna we're gonna solve it yeah bipartisan means and there's these these these speeches that they give

like what do they say what kind of information do you have that you, like, I have the secrets of the scrolls. I'll read them all to you. That's what I would need. That's what's worth a half a million dollars. Or half a billion. If you press your taint seven times and then pull your earlobes down, your hair will grow back. And it actually works.

That's a half a million dollar speech. But yeah. right that's worth a half a million dollars speech but yeah it's worth a half a billion at one point oh you mean the president's yeah they get to like crazy wealth like wild amounts of money come at them right yeah i mean it's like what's funny about this sort of thing is it's inarguably true like it, it's just, you can't describe it in any other way. It's like we can't just hand bags of money to people when we want them to, like, do things for us and the government. But we can, like, hide it and do a speech. You can't, the funny thing is it has to be a speech because, like, that is a thing where

it's like, well, how do you quantify the the worth of a presidential speech? You can't have them come and say, like, paint the wall or like clean a bathroom and you give them four hundred thousand dollars. It has to be a speech. And so it's like all of this stuff. It's all out there. It's 100 percent true. We're not being cynical or conspiratorial. 100 true we're not being cynical or conspiratorial it's fucking weird to pace anybody that much for a speech much less somebody who's still in power and is going to be responsible for potentially passing legislation or helping legislation pass that's going to massively impact whatever your particular industry is it's obvious what's going on. But this is the kind of stuff, speaking of hypnosis, that's like just on the periphery, right? Like if you want to hang out in

default reality, you're not really supposed to spend too much time thinking about that. You're not supposed to spend too much time thinking about the fact that private corporations and public government sectors of government are weirdly the same thing. They're connected by an invisible. It's not even invisible. Barely invisible. Like it's just kind of shadowy. You're not supposed to like the idea is the private sector is supposed to be separate from the public sector.

The private sector, if it influences the public sector, it does it via voting. That was the idea of democracy, voting, not through like donating money to the campaigns that make them get elected because they have the most money. That, you know, because like there's probably the most charismatic, incredible, brilliant dude out there. He's got it all figured out for real. Like someone who makes JFK look like a complete fucking idiot, like someone like that good. And I don't know, he's living somewhere

and maybe he's like, man, I think I could really help. But he's like, how am I going to raise $500 million to run a presidential campaign? I can't do that. So he doesn't run. He can't. And if he did try to run, he couldn't get the money to get to the point where the other ones have gotten to because they're being supported by the corporations. So really what we've done is like we've managed to filter out all the other people who could be awesome because they can't get the money. It's so sad if you think about it really is remember this last election you're looking at the two choices like imagine the olympics you know or any like any other competition imagine if like you're watching the two finalists in some olympic i don't know gymnastic challenge i don't know, gymnastic challenge. I don't know, like tumbling or ice skating. And like they both

are really bad at fucking ice skating. You know what I mean? And you got to pick one. It's a binary now, but they're both in different ways. They're like really bad at it, but you got to pick one. That's what really sucks. That to me is like the real embarrassment in our country right now is it's like you're giving us a shitty binary every fucking time and if i say i don't want to participate in the binary people are like no don't you get it the state our country's future is is in your hands you're like yeah but i don't like either of them they both seem awful one i don't like the other i don't like me i would not leave my kids alone with either of them i don't want to fucking support it at all but we have to because it's a binary and do you not love your country do you not believe in democracy but really you're looking at like surely there were better people than this like

surely this isn't like the greatest representation of leadership and like if there was if i'm sorry i'm ranting a little too much no it's perfect here's the thing imagine this we could reverse all the conditioning everyone fucking has been injected with on one side or the other for the last 10 years, right? Then we just present like, all right, here's this dude and this dude. One is Trump, one is Biden. Would you like either of these people to be president? Who would be like, oh yeah, let's get the fucking like megalomaniac or let's get the like man who can't really put a sentence together. Those are definitely the best choices out of all the other awesome, charismatic, young people out there who you could pick. It's really depressing, man. It's really depressing. And it's sad that we're all at

each other's throats fighting over these like, you know what I mean? A stupid binary. Like we're presented with a dumb binary. It's I don't know don't know I keep saying fucking but it's a really good point it's a really good point because that's what separates most people it's not really their values it's that you think the other person is on the other party and the other party is inherently bad everybody's doing it it's it's mostly incorrect most people agree on most things most people are good people most people we can't concentrate on the ones that aren't the most right and we can't align ourselves with the ones who aren't the most the people that are the most assholish on the left that freak you out are just like

the people that are the most asshole-ish on the right that freak you out. Yeah. They're the fucking, the rare extremes because that's just the spectrum of fucking human beings with any ideology. You're going to have the worst examples and the best examples. You can meet Christians that literally make you want to go to church. Yeah. Like, my God, the way this man carries himself,

the way this woman lives her life, the way they talk, the way they treat people. I want to be like that. Incredible. I want to be like that. Because they're good at it. They're really good. They're good.

And that's like that with everything. Yeah. With everything. Right. With politicians, with everything. And if we everything. Right. With politicians, with everything. And if we are as a group aligned with only one of two choices, and so you're either on this side or you're on that side, and you always look at the people across the fence, fuck you, and they look at you, fucking losers. Sad.

And it's dumb. It's dumb. And it's the best way to keep us divided. It's fucking stupid. Most people agree on most things. And the things that we disagree on, we should be able to talk through. Right. It shouldn't be.

There should not be a prohibition on a conversation about shit, man. I don't think that whatever the system is that's picking the people we have to vote for, that gets it down to two people, I don't think this system is working very well. Let's imagine you were designing a machine. The machine somehow could scan apples. You press a button, and the machine rolls out two of the best apples out of, like, 500 apples. I don't know why you want the machine.

You just like good apples. But imagine you press a button and two fucking worm-filled rotten apples roll out and instead of being like oh shit the machine's broken you go like the machine works clearly these are the best fucking apples pick one of them you can only pick one of them but don't say our machine's broken. It's picking the best apples. Look, they're great. And then, of course, there's going to be bitterness and fighting and division. Because it's like cognitive dissonance, man.

It's like you have to find a way to fix in your head that you have hitched your fucking wagon to a bad apple right exactly and that sucks and that's going to create insecurity insecurity creates uh fear resentment anger so then then you just have a shit ton of insecure people battling each other because they're both somehow incapable of saying yeah our guy sucks so does your guy yeah our guy really sucks too the moment we start saying that then things could get really cool yeah that's where it could get really interesting because i mean i think we most people should agree like come on come on is your guy really that great you pick which guy it is really is that the best example of like an american or a human being

is that the best example i mean would you want that guy to be be alone with your kids and i'm saying you could use this for anybody you could use that test if you don't have kids would you want that i don't know would you want that guy to be alone with i don't know i can't fill in the blank if you don't have kids i'm'm sorry for doing like a breeder talk. It's a good one. Like the people that you protect over. And I don't mean alone with your kids like they're going to abuse your kids. I know what you're saying.

Like are they going to be able to tend to your kid? Are they going to remember to feed your kids? Are they going to like keep your kids from doing all the crazy shit kids do? Will they even be able to pick your kid up and put your kid in the crib like are they capable of being alone with your children if the answer is no you gotta find someone else for the fucking job because they're in charge of all of us they're in charge of all of us you gotta find someone who can like can like, who's like, who's going to like be able to do shit that like keeps all of our fucking kids okay. You know, and if they can't be alone with kids, then probably they shouldn't be president.

If you ask me, they shouldn't be president if they can't drive a car. I don't think they should be president. This isn't an ageist thing to say. I mean, it's whatever age you are, you should be able to drive a car. You should know how to like get in a car and drive it down the road and use your turn signals and what the speed limit is. It teaches you what everyone goes through every fucking day when they have to drive to work, when they're driving. So know how to drive a car, should be able to be alone with kids. I think this is, we should put this in the fucking constitution. Like this, we should

have built into how we're doing these things like prerequisites, prerequisites for the job, just like any other job, you know, it doesn't have to be like intense prerequisites, but it's just really depressing, you know, when there's a prohibition on just pointing out the obvious shit. But here's the problem. What are the alternatives? We'd have to blow up the system. And if you wanted to blow up the system, the people that are in power would have to lose power. They're not gonna do that.

The FBI's like, you know what? We're not the best at investigating shit. You guys take over. The CIA's like, you know, intelligence, have we done the best? I don't know. Maybe there's a better option. Why don't you guys take it? That's fucking never gonna happen. Ever, ever, ever, ever. The idea is just to continue to improve upon

the systems that we already have. They're not perfect, but they're better than nothing, and if we blow it all up, who the fuck is gonna take... If we blow it all up, it's William Wallace up in this bitch. Okay? If you decide that this government no longer has power over the people, and then a bunch of people start assuming power and saying that they have power, you got a real fucking problem.

I don't think you got to blow it up. Don't blow it up. I don't think it's even necessary. But that's what I'm saying. It's like that's the only way it's going to change. I think there's other ways it could change. But what it would require is, you know, OK. But when I say change, I mean like a complete restructuring.

I don't mean like, let's make it so the politics don't get bought out by money. I mean a way where people have to be informed about the things that they have opinions on that are super critical. Right. So like there's a real responsibility for everyone that's involved in all these decision making aspects of voting to know what the fuck the consequences are for real the problem is when it comes to certain things like climate change right you say climate change you don't you don't agree with the consensus of

climate change if you don't jump on board immediately people want to bark at you and very very few of them have done any research. Right. And I'm not saying that climate change is not real. I'm just saying when something's like that, where it's like, this is what it is, and the science is— almost immediately, I'm like, hold on. Yeah, right. Hold on.

Where are you getting this information from? And why do you think it's going to be this insane disaster? Are you sure? Yes. Are you absolutely sure? Or is it possible that this has happened throughout history? That people have always talked about whether it's the Ice Age is coming. There's always been some big fear-mongering thing about some climate disaster.

It's always happened. You know what's funny to me about that stuff is people take themselves out of the climate. So it's like people talk about climate change as a subconscious climate a semi-conscious climate that like is the sum total of the interior lives of everyone on the planet and that gets left out because we can't quantify it's a climate of fear it's a climate of compassion yeah whatever it could be but it's in there's storms yep there storms, hurricanes that rip through that. Civil war. Civil war or just riots or war. And so whenever you're seeing a war happen, you are looking at like a sort of subjective, internal, yet collective societal hurricane happening and destroying stuff.

But it's doing it via like the human system, the human biome. And we, so to me, I think that there isn't a quick fix to this, but Carl Jung, Carl Jung, you know, Carl Jung is, he's like Freud's, okay. Carl Jung, I'm sure a million people have already said this on your podcast. His idea was that leaders are a projection of the collective unconscious. So whatever the world leader is that you're looking at, you're actually looking at a physical representation of the internal subjective lives of the collective. Right. So when you see like a Biden, you're seeing the shadow of society. When you're seeing a Trump, it's our shadow. That's what you're looking at. Like this is where where the interconnectivity, interdependence comes up.

It's like we're all connected. Whoever the person is that ends up being the mouthpiece for all of us. We all have a tiny little thread of quantum energy injected into that thing. And we're kind of looking at ourselves. Part of ourselves we might not want to admit is there. So the idea would be if you can find in your own little internal climate a way to cool it down, cool it down, stop heating up so much get peace stuff i remember a long time ago man you talked to me about this about like it was really it stuck with me for the longest time because i was more turbulent back then but it's this idea of like maintaining an even keel you know what i

mean find a way to be stable consistently every day in your own life and stability will appear naturally around you right but if you are prone to reactivity anger freakouts whatever it is mania whatever the thing is then the people around you they're always kind of worried like what version of this dude am I getting today am I gonna get the happy version or I mean it the freaked out version we get the angry version I'm gonna get the cool version and if it's really extreme the way your Behavior is warping and shifting you could only expect chaos around you because people get nervous around instability right so that then if that was if all of us were reactive like if suddenly a wave of reactivity swept through the whole planet and people started thinking it was normal to like pendulum between moods and to react to the moods and like, this is me or what the fuck or extremes, then you would expect the representation of all of us to be kind of fucked up.

the representation of all of us to be kind of fucked up. And so the idea is if we could all kind of calm down a little bit, find some peace, find a way to like be actually calm, not repressed. Like, you know, when you're freaking out on mushrooms and you try to pretend you're not or when you go to a party where they give weed. I don't know if you've ever been to an edible weed party. Yes. And everyone's trying to pretend they're not freaking the fuck out. The worst parties.

Dude, I was a judge at a cannabis cup. There you go. I was like seven, eight different flavors in. Because they give you like a pill box. Brutal. You know, like a Monday through Sunday pill box. And each one of them has a different strain. And you're supposed to test each strain.

By the time you get to Wednesday you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about yeah man I remember talking to this dude who was telling me about the cannabis community it was really interesting because I was beyond barbecued to the point where like words were coming out and I would hear the sounds that the words would make and I would see the words coming out of the person's mouth but what I got was feelings I got like bars of feelings like registered feelings above each word so as this guy was talking I could tell what he was trying to do and he was trying to say that he loves and appreciates the cannabis community and he feels very close to them as a community and that they all have each other's

backs. I know if anything goes wrong with me, the cannabis community has my back. And it was this thing that he was doing when he was communicating with me because I was so barbecued. I got to feel like that's what we're doing all the time Yeah, we're doing all the time. We're not always just trying to get our words out. We're trying to like project a tone and and and figure out a way to get people to like us more yes, or or Think be more impressed by us or yeah, or and and that's like a Giant percentage what people do when they talk all day yeah well it's insecurity i mean it's like the idea is you have i just read this

shit man it blew my fucking mind here's the idea everything is your mind, right? So not like spiritual woo-woo-wee, literally everything you see is your mind because your sense organs are taking in phenomena and that's all getting translated via your brain into something we call reality. So literally when you're seeing the color yellow, you're seeing your own mind. That's the way your mind translates whatever the particular wavelength of yellow is into the thing that you call yellow. It's literally your mind. Everything you're seeing is your mind. That's just the way it is. But what happens is we start thinking it's not our mind. There's a me and a you. There's an outside me and an inside me me even though this is 100% not the case

There is probably something outside of you, but that's not what you're seeing. You're seeing a incredible Symphony of neurotransmitters that are all harmonizing in a way that produces your reality So when you see an enemy or a friend when you you see someone you love and someone you hate, all your mind, the feeling of love, your mind, the feeling of hate, your mind. So when you get really fucking confused, not realizing this is all my mind, you start picking shit out. This person, that person, this thing, that thing. And you start attaching to it. You start attaching to it to try to feel better, right? So you're like, if I can make this person like me, I'm going to feel better.

Now I'm going to feel good again, or something's going to make me feel better. And this is what you're talking about. This is where you begin the never-ending cycle in Buddhism called samsara, where it's just a never-ending attempt to rearrange your mind into some way that is going to give you a sense of like, okay, everything's fine now. Never-ending. Never-ending.

Not only never-ending in this life, but literally zillions of incarnations you've been doing the same fucking thing over and over again in different ways. And so the moment you realize this is my mind, this is all my mind, then all of a sudden that's when shit gets really interesting. Because now you might begin to change the way you start trying to get shit out of your mind, out of like, you know, getting the thing you desire, pushing away. You stop defending as much too. You're defending against your own fucking mind.

I mean, you know what I mean? Like so many people are super defensive all the time. They're trying to keep themselves from is words, perceived opinions, real like high level social animal shit. They're not defending themselves against bear attacks, lions, arrows. They're defending themselves against like psychic impacts. You know what I mean? So it's not even a danger. Like when someone says some shitty thing to you and you get triggered and then you react to that shitty thing, like experiment with not reacting. See what happens if you don't get revenge when the person does the thing to you they always do that you get revenge for. You just don't get revenge. You just don't do the thing that you thought you had to do or they're going to do it again.

it again watch what happens nothing you're fine nothing happens you don't need the aggression the defense so yeah man that's really interesting to me it's just your mind and you're at war with your own fucking mind all day long for the rest of your life all day long for the rest of your life every day a raging war against yourself i mean again I'm not saying that you don't need from time to time to set boundaries and tell someone, don't fucking do that. But at least for me personally, a lot of the time, the stuff that I was getting all bristly about, it really was just my own bullshit. There wasn't really anything to get bristly about or to defend against there. And when you start doing that kind of like internal piecework, man, all of a sudden shit around you starts changing because it's your mind. The idea is if this is all your mind, then if your mind calmed down, maybe all this stuff around you will calm down too. That's the idea. It might actually be the same thing so if you start getting calm if you start getting a little

space between you and your thoughts just maybe just maybe that your enemies won't seem quite like enemies anymore the people that you have been waking up in the middle of the night thinking about pouring acid in their mouth maybe you'll you you you'll you'll realize it's like that the example that gets that i read and then i'll shut the fuck up i'm sorry everybody the example that i read the example that i read was it's like someone shoots an arrow at you and they miss. It lands at your feet. This is when someone says something shitty to you or you get upset about something someone's doing. You don't see that person for weeks maybe.

But the example is the arrow lands at your feet and you pick it up. And you start stabbing yourself with an arrow going, why did they shoot me with this arrow? I can't believe they did that. Every time you bring them to your mind every time you wake up thinking about them every time you have that fake conversation when you see them and you're gonna one-up them that's just you going yeah yeah why did they shoot me with this arrow you know you're just massacring yourself with your own mind you don't have to do that you actually can stop you don't have to constantly be stabbing yourself

yeah that's great advice i'm sorry no no no it really is great advice and that's the problem with the human mind is it doesn't come with an owner's manual and they're all different you know it's again some of them are lawnmowers. Some of them are Ferraris. Well, I mean, we don't come with a fucking owner's manual. Nothing. Yeah. And you, you're, you're sorting out some of the most complex things. You're, you're sorting out languages that are different. Emotions that are different.

Yeah. Cultures that are different. Yeah. Genders that are different. All these fucking different things being sorted out in real time while we melt the earth why the fucking

oceans filled up with our garbage and the temperature keeps rising and everyone's like don't worry it's fine buy this Miami beachfront condo oh my god yeah that's so sad but the thing is like what you know there's too many variables i don't think we have a mind that's designed

for the variables that exist in modern society there's too many variables because you're getting news from the entire world so you're getting everything catastrophic that happens amongst seven point whatever billion people yeah that's too much data okay and you're you're interacting with people that are nowhere near you primarily yeah most of your human interactions are coming via cyber world yeah which is fucking bizarre to accept and then on of that, you're probably having to sit through traffic and you're probably stacked on top of a bunch of people in an apartment building. Yeah. And you're probably annoyed that there's so many fucking people around you all. It's an unnatural state.

Yeah. For most people. Right. Most people. And it's all rapidly changing while we remain the same. So it's all putting these new demands on us. Why we remain the same biological entity that existed when the railroad was a big freak out. The trains are going to kill people.

They go too fast. That's what they thought. Right? Yeah. You think like 35 miles an hour. 35. After 35, you're dead fucking meat. People are just going to kill.

It was the same thing we did with 5G. They were doing that with trains. That might be real, though. That might be getting us right now. We don't know about it yet. 5G zapping us. You know what someone said to me about 5G? What?

They said that 5G is eventually going to evolve to the point where it could be implemented as like a radar system in someone's home i said that is that you yeah i read that tell me tell me what you said oh damn it joe you know man again let me just we're in clown suits you know what we're in fucking clowns i'm sorry i forgot it was you that told me i was trying to remember oh no i don't care here's the thing whatever i say after this it's probably wrong. But I did it because I go on really weird rabbit holes on the Internet. And the problem is I don't remember where I get the data from.

OK, so Jamie will find the data. OK, but what was the premise of it? Premise is that potentially 5G could be used as some kind of radar system that like it's so powerful that you could theoretically see people moving inside of buildings using 5g somehow there might be a way to like look at the way the 5g is being like i don't know doesn't that make sense though that like ultimately that's going to happen and if we have phones and everybody carries a phone with them right so you know where you're unless you you're one of those really rebellious ultra marathon runners who puts his fucking phone in his desk drawer when he gets into work and just leaves it there all day. Most people have their phone on them. So there's proximity tracking, right?

Yeah. You know where you are at all points in time. Yeah. And if you have some sort of a thing that's just like, you know, the misinformation and malinformation board is requiring that we install these and all chips. Information and Malinformation Board is requiring that we install these and all chips and all that is doing is Utilizing 5d 5g to get a sense of everything that's in the space right it would be I don't know if it's possible with today's technology But that doesn't seem outrageous at all that they would it's just the fact that you can send a fucking video Instantaneously to your friend in Italy like that

Like that you send a video they get it on their iMessage oh shit that looks cool yeah that is wild the idea that it could track your movements and know the 3d space around it that doesn't even seem outrageous it's not that outrageous I mean yeah I don't think people really like to deal with how surveilled we already are then because the surveillance is being is broken up among a fast computers 5g networks and radar that passes through walls are bringing x-ray vision closer to reality it's real yeah it makes sense there you go so there it is so that was ideas like because what God it's real well I mean we would have cut it out we don't want to get in trouble with the new board.

Malinformation, dude. That would be malinformation. That would be. That would be misinformation. That's even worse than malinformation. Dude, imagine if like the shit got in your house. That's where it gets really creepy. Like somehow the fact you're like, all right, well, it's just the Ministry of Truth on Twitter.

Whatever, dude. Twitter's dumb. I don't care anyway. It's just the Ministry of Truth on Facebook or Instagram. I don't care. Well, that's what TikTok is. TikTok, whatever. I don't fucking care. You really don't care. It's like, but imagine if it was just on screens in your house, right? Like if hanging in your house, there was, I don't know, just a light that if someone starts speaking misinformation, it starts glowing red or something. And you're like, oh shit, that thing you just said, it's like the light's blinking, so it's bullshit.

It would be fucking horrible. It would be scary. But somehow because it's like we still externalize the social media as like an outside space, even though it's in our house, it's in our pockets, right next to us all the time. It seems like, all right, you know, whatever that is, it's just on the outside. It's not on the inside yet, but it's really, it kind of is. You turn on the TV, I don't care what you're fucking watching, man. I mean, it's like, okay, it's fucked up that everybody knows

that most of our politicians in some way, shape, or form are making money from various... How much do you think they make? Like, how much do you think Obama's worth? Let's take a guess. In calculable. Let's take a guess. A billion?

How much do you think he's worth, Jamie? It's a cool price, isn't it? 500 million sounds like a good number. I'll go lower. I'll go three. Three. Three's good. Three's reasonable. sounds like a good number. I'll go lower. I'll go 3. 3 is good. 3 is reasonable. He's a reasonable man. Let's see. Well, those numbers

are wrong. How much is someone's worth? I don't know how to find it. I think that would probably be pretty public. It's like an Elon Musk type deal. When I type in everything, it's saying 70. 70 million? That's it? Well, again, we're talking about, like, the way this gets quantified.

The quantification mechanism is like... But what's it worth? What's the value of it? Yeah. Billions. Yeah, you could... Like, it's like, they have shit we will never even hear about. Elon bought Twitter for 44 billion.

What do you think it's worth to be the president? You know, that should put it into perspective. Right. Twitter's worth 44 billion. What's it think it's worth to be the president? That should put it into perspective. Twitter's worth $44 billion. What's it worth to be the president of the United States? It's got to be worth $20. I'm also seeing Michelle's worth at least $70 also. It's a lot of money. Congratulations.

Look, he was a great president. Out of all the presidents that would speak, I would like to just see him speak. He was really good at giving speeches. He's a fantastic statesman. God, those were the good old days. I don't know who the fuck knows what it's like to be the president. But as far as a representative of the United States, I think he was the best ever.

The best ever. We've got that wonderful interview he did. I don't remember what show he was on where they asked him about ufos and he like really did a kind of micro pause or something like you have in the ufo boards it always pops up every once in a while it's like this weird moment where he's like i can't talk about that but it's like on his face you kind of see this like thing that if you're into ufos you're like oh fuck he's like bummed that he can't talk about it but but he knows something. I'm sure they know something I don't know how much the president gets to know

Because the problem is a guy like Trump like what would keep him from blabbing If they told him I mean he was on a show once they asked him about UFOs too And he said something about he he knows some things, but he can't talk about him Yeah, there's a lot of that saying that is you that means they're real If you say you know some things you can't talk about them, you're essentially saying they're real. Yeah. Because if it's like it's all nonsense, wouldn't you tell the people it's all nonsense? Tell us it's nonsense, sir.

Make me sleep well at night. Yeah. You're the president. Yeah. But if you say there's some things I know and I can't talk about them. I mean, we're opposed to that. I think that's basically what he said. But aren't we post thinking UFOs are fake now like I like now if you know if you

believe UFOs are bullshit you're in a minority now because you're talking about the US government has been doing like hearings where they are saying yeah some of this stuff we don't know but we've picked it up so it's the phenomena is real it's no longer just swamp gas. The question is how many of them are drones? How many of them are super sophisticated drones from other countries? How many of them are drones that we have

that are top secret, just like the Blackbird and Stealth Bomber and all these different things they've worked on? How many of those are top secret drones? And then is there anything that's not? Like that Tic Tac one that Commander David Fravor found off the coast of San Diego in 2004. That's the craziest one because there's multiple jets watched this thing. They got it on radar.

They got visual. They got a video of it taken off at an insane rate of speed. They don't know what the fuck that thing was no visible heat signature moving and at speeds that are impossible to describe how fast it is going from 50 000 feet to 50 in a second yeah because that's how they said it just it just appeared there you know because i think a radar blip, is it a second? How long is the radar? No idea. Or is it like continuous now? How do they work?

Do they work the same way they used to work in those old movies? Do it boop, blip, blip, blip. Remember like Close Encounters? Oh, yeah. You see the things in the radar. I mean, it's got to be more sophisticated than that. Yeah, now it's just like it's looking at ripples or something. Like it's not, there's no space in between.

It's just instantaneously you could see whatever the fuck it is. So whatever the fuck this thing was, they tracked this and this thing moved in a way that is indescribable. Look, they can't they can't imagine some way using the methods that we know about propulsion systems and applying it to this craft and getting it to move the way it did. We we've said this. I've said this. I feel like we said everything once on your podcast by now. and applying it to this craft and getting it to move the way it did. We've said this. I've said this. I feel like we've said everything once on your podcast by now. But like coral reef, some blind creature starts developing an optic nerve.

And all of a sudden, one day after billions of years or millions of years evolution, the eye opens. You see the coral reef instead of just having to sense movement in the fucking coral reef. That's going to be a crazy moment for the first thing to see that when all it's been feeling are these weird shifts and movements. McKenna and look at technology as some kind of, you know, appendage of the planet, some new like sensory apparatus that's appearing out of the collective, then probably we're just getting the ability to see what's really out there. And what's really out there is probably what people have been saying for thousands of years people who spent lifetimes meditating in the forest and went through all this weird shit and they started seeing it too what's out there is innumerable forms of life and intelligence that aren't locked into the classic

idea of what life looks like carbon-based life or just starting to see the gods. That's what they used to call them, the gods, angels, whatever. There's devas or jinn. And that's what our technology is. It's starting to pick up that. Yeah, enabling us to see something that's always been here. Always. Just living with us, and we're going to have to deal with that. Doesn't that make sense?

Yes. That we've been colonized a long time ago, and they just go in and out of the ocean do as they please Yeah, move in ways that we can't track We don't understand and it wasn't until really really recently that they even be able to use radar to detect them Yeah, when was the invention of radar? Right. Yeah, 150 years. No idea idea when did they figure out radar imagine before radar fucking what would you see yeah you don't have a video there's no video yet no video video didn't even start happening until the 1800s right so at what point in time were they supposed to like

have like an accurate right it would be so easy to spy on us you had to be Marvin into a pyramid if you start That's Mikey's full of shit he's always talking about being visited by gods you're carving a UFO into the pyramid again Stop it Stop writing on the pyramid You know when you discuss ancient civilizations and you look at the great pyramids of Egypt and all the structures of Egypt They're so magnificent ancient civilizations and you look at the great pyramids of Egypt and all the structures of Egypt, they're so magnificent that you have to wonder like, what was that society like? What was that culture like when those things were up and running? What was that like, man? Because I am, I mean, I'm absolutely not an archaeologist or a historian. But when I look at those structures and someone says that those things are 5,000 years old and you think about how long ago that was, like, how fucking smart were those people?

Very smart. What? How did they know all that? How did they do it? What was it like living amongst them? What the fuck man the great pyramid of keys is like two million three hundred thousand stones yeah they're monstrous they're so the way it's engineered is so beyond imagination that five thousand years ago people could do but

obviously they did so what were they like man and? And what happened? What is, I think it's the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson idea. Yeah, for sure. I think that we had, human beings had reached a very high level of sophistication. And we got fucking flatlined again by comet impacts. Yeah. That's the Younger Dryas impact theory. And it makes a fuckload of sense when you see things like the pyramids. When you see things like the pyramids when you

see things like all these old structures especially ones they can't really date that well like that's the dirty secret about that carbon dating stuff you got to date carbon you're not going to date rocks right so you have to find like organic material in between the rocks stuff that's around the rocks right you don't really know when everybody cut it you just make a really good assessment based on the carbon-based data you know but the thing is like you can't you don't know when they cut that when they move that right when did how many thousands of years did it take to set up the civilization where the fuck did it come from right how did they get these stones that were many tons from a quarry that was 500 miles away.

How did they do that? Like, I think that's the story of some of the stones in the king's chamber. They figured, see if this is correct. I think they figured out that some of the stones in the king's chamber were from 500 miles away. The king's chamber is the one that looks like a factory or something. Like, it's weird. Like, the one that's like in the, what is the one that looks like a factory or something like it's weird like the one that's like in the in what is the chamber the king's chamber they i don't know why they call

the king's chamber um i think it might have to do with just the size of the stones and the magnificence of it yeah whatever the fuck that was i don't know why that why do they call the king's chamber so anyway um see if you if you uh find the the king's chamber? So anyway, see if you find the king's chamber. The stones for the king's chamber were cut from a quarry 500 miles away. Google that. See if that's correct. Because I think that was one of the big mysteries. Like, how the fuck are they moving this stuff?

It's not even that it was like right next to it and they slowly rolled into the place. They took it from 500 miles away Archaeologists uncover the scurrians. Yeah, look at that The pyramid stones were known to have been transported from over 500 miles away But archaeologists do not agree on how the ancient Egyptians. I guess it probably says pulled that off. That's just the headline How the fuck could they do it? There's a new article on construction. That's from 2017.

That's super new. But all of it is just guessing. The bottom line is there's so many stones. I think the numbers that have, I had a bid on it. If you cut and place 10 stones a day, it's 664 years for one pyramid. So they think they pulled them on ropes and pulleys and shit but dude they're they're cut so perfectly you can't get a razor blade in between them i mean that's why it's what's funny is like we to try to understand stuff we obviously we try to use a precedent like our own technology so we use the height of our technology and then try to think about how they did it but if we're talking

about i mean it's possible that we only exist well we exist in more than one reality like that we're in we're in time space right now but there's aspects of us that are outside of time space there's aspects of us that uh we call our soul or whatever it's some hyperdimensional formation that like flowers with each incarnation like when a flower blooms that's your life and then it dies and another flower blooms that's your next life and another flower blooms so if that's what's going on and some civilization figured that out so that instead of being unconscious about the greater whatever the fuck it is, the hyper-dimensional tree that we're all fruiting on,

then God knows what you could do in that point. You could just make the tree grow a pyramid maybe, in the same way it grew you. You could just make it bring stones from who knows. You know, we think we're so advanced. Like I'm sure that however cognizant a monkey is, like when it's like using a tool or showing its friends how to use a tool or its kids how to like break open a nut or how to use the stick to get the ants out i'm sure it's like we are very advanced like this is a very advanced thing it's doing it probably thinks it's like advanced if it could think that similarly we think we're so fucking advanced with our

internet and all that stuff it just might be that like we're we're the same way we're just putting a stick in an ant's nest what jamie just pulled up there is what the pyramid originally looked like. That gold capstone. It had a gold capstone. It was covered. I think it was in limestone. Is that what it was covered with? Yeah, the thing I have pulled up says in 1303 AD there's an earthquake that loosened up some of it.

And I guess that's when they took it all. And then people start stealing it and they use it to build stuff. Of course. Which is so dumb. Imagine. Imagine. They stole pieces of rock from one of the greatest constructions human beings have ever known to build whatever shitty thing they were going to make.

Probably a toilet. There was probably someone shitting in the fucking stones of the pyramid built by the great masters 100 go up to the pyramid find a stone that you like in your bidet yeah i'm gonna build a sauna yeah the outside of the pyramid no one's using the pyramid anymore just grab some rocks from there i want my whole house built with it yeah yeah i mean the whole thing was stolen they stole all of it yeah that's what's so nuts i mean to me to me, that's what's really, I love that stuff, because it's like. What did that look like?

Such a mystery. And it's so interesting to get born into a civilization and to have this sense of, like, knowing shit. Like, that's a big part of being alive right now is, like all think we're so fucking we think we know everything like because you can google it and you just think even if you don't know it you think the answer is out there somewhere and then you you live in this crazy world where you think everything's been figured out it's all been we're at the cutting edge we're at the cutting edge of like even throughout history, doctors have in a lot of ways been consistently wrong. You know what I mean? Like the whole bleeding and leeching and then before that, whatever the weird medieval-like ways people would treat disease.

You know, like take a rag, horse piss, and wrap it around their head and then like put them above a fire for three days it'll cure their pox and everyone believes it they're like oh yeah that'll work and but now we're all like no no now we figured out medical technology for sure like we a hundred percent know everything about the way the human body works which is why when you go into a doctor you know depending on who the doctor is you mention some other possible therapy they'll laugh you out of the room they're like get the fuck out of here that's quackery and sometimes they're right but sometimes they're probably wrong i mean my point is it's just funny because you have to live in a world where you are surrounded by people who think in one way of really leaning into the idea that we've all kind of worked out the thing.

We figured out humanity. We figured out the planet. We know what the climate is. We know what medical science is and how the body works. We understand germs, viruses, diseases, and history. We fucking know how the pyramids were built. Will you please stop saying the aliens did it it was people taking it from quarries we figured it out so don't you don't need to look

into that anymore because we figured it out when probably we really haven't figured out much of anything probably what's really going on is so astounding that if you actually saw what it was, you might die. You might just blip out of reality or cease to exist. It's so wild. Whatever the actual thing is. It's an alternative version of history. And the alternative version is that there's actual evidence that the Earth was assaulted by comet impacts around 12,000 years ago. impacts around 12,000 years ago. And there's also actual evidence of construction that's almost impossible to do today, certainly in a lifetime. Like to make the Great Pyramid of Giza,

if you had one lifetime, do you really think they could move that many stones cut in place along with all the fucking extraction of the stones from the quarries and all the engineering involved and making sure that how many how much time was it going to take to make something with 2,600,000 stones from a quarry 500 miles away i have to i have to imagine it's going to take a long fucking time so we we know for sure that someone a long fucking time ago had that kind of engineering and genius. And then we also know that human beings, even in America, just a couple hundred years ago, were living like Stone Age folks. Right. At the exact same time.

Yeah. The Comanche were using bows and arrows and riding horses. You mean when the pyramids were- Thousands of years later. Thousands of years later. Weird. Thousands of years later, humans are hunting buffalo on horseback with sticks. Different humans, different parts of the world.'s nuts it's nuts i think if you

think about how quickly people went from that like the riding horses and shooting things off a horse back which was like you know obviously the mongols that's how they they did war so that's the 1200s right so like that's not that long that's 800 years did war. So that's the 1200s, right? So that's not that long. That's 800 years ago. If you think about the pyramids being 5,000 years ago, from 800 years ago to now, from 800 years ago to horseback,

drinking horse milk with blood mixed in, because that's how you're going to stay alive when you're on this long campaign. Crazy. To get in a train, and it goes 500 miles an hour. To get on a plane, you fly to another country. That's only 800 years. Imagine if they had achieved that the way the Mongols were, but they did it at 4000 BC.

Right. 6000 BC. I got you. And we have thousands of years of people figuring things out in a different way than we have. Right. They're using stone. Did they have electricity? What kind of knowledge did they have about life?

Did they have universities? How did they figure out all the things they know? How did they figure out all this design and construction stuff? How many thousands of years? Imagine if we had an uninterrupted history with no catastrophes and no wars, an accurate historical representation by the people that lived in time from every fucking year, 9,000 years ago. Right.

You know, 17,000 years ago. When did it start? That would be so cool. You could look at tweets from 17,000 years ago. When did it start? That would be so cool. You could look at tweets from 17,000 years ago. God, that would be funny as fuck. That would be amazing. You know what? It'd make people calm down a little bit, wouldn't it?

If you could go back and look at tweets from 700 BC and realize how insignificant you are in that vast scope of time, that would be a that'd be really good for us man i think that's part of the problem is that those big gaps and uh what we know about civilization have created this like really terrible i don't know what you would call

it like some kind of like societal narcissism or some kind of like crazy idea that like no no no you're you're alive like right this life that you're in right now this 70 year span in the midst of this ocean of time no no no for sure it's the most important life definitely like out of the like stacks of bones like bones definitely you could make like a bridge of bones that would probably what go all the way to mars like if you took all the people who've lived on the world and had their bones i bet you could do a bridge of bones to mars an asteroid belt of bones but just yeah right exactly but your life is definitely super the most important life no for sure like really like you really need to be all up in everybody's shit

because it's so like right now this is it the most important no this is it for real this is it it produces this crazy hyper active way of living like you know what like people you know people don't say they're happy anymore you know what they say instead of happy i'm excited people don't say they're happy anymore. You know what they say instead of happy? I'm excited. You don't even say happy anymore. It's like excited is the means you're happy. I'm excited. But like being excited, it doesn't feel that good. Like if you really look at it, it's like kind of getting vaulted by electricity, you know? I like being excited.

It's okay. But if you really look at the feeling. I like being happy too. I prefer happy and peaceful too. Excited. I'm excited to watch Terrifier 2 tonight you know what i mean i've got like a little hook in me right but when you went to see roger waters weren't you excited yeah of course i mean i'm not saying that's what i mean i'm not saying it's bad i'm just i like being excited i mean fuck i love being excited it's fun it's but it's it's it

does it shouldn't be like that for me I don't want that to be the number one thing I'm going for like all the others you know that that you know that thing that happens after like I don't know day six of a successful vacation you know what I mean like where you're like and obviously yeah that's not excited like I wouldn't call that excited what I like that too where you're like, ah. And obviously like, ah. That's not excited. Like I wouldn't call that excited. I like that too. That's a nice thing. That's my favorite.

The best. I used to hate vacations because I used to freak out and say, I got to work. I should be working. I should be working. I'm not working. This is stupid. I'm getting behind. So dumb.

So dumb. You need a break off of stuff. You need some, even if it's like a little break, like a yoga class, something, you need a break where you're not thinking about the day. Something takes you out of it where you're not in the day-to-day grind all the time. Yeah. And you can find things. You know, for some people, it's a fucking, a game they play. Maybe they play tennis with their friend.

They get together every Tuesday. That fucking Tuesday, they look forward to it so much. Maybe they're playing darts or pool or whatever the fuck it is. You need a break. That's why those activities exist. They don't exist because people are like fucking fruitless and lazy and they don't want to be productive.

No, they exist because people have always found merit in things that allow you to put yourself in a different state of mind. And whether it's hypnosis or exercise or a fucking game of chess, whatever it is, like we value those things. Those are important. Aren't they the most important?

No. Well, I don't know the most, but they're super fucking important. And I think we think of them frivolously. The problem was like things like video games, because video games can be insidiously addictive because in many ways are more stimulating than real life like you and i have both had like major problems with video oh my god major problems oh my god so addicted to world of warcraft unbelievably hearthstone got me too i have managed though to uh only play video games for like seven hours a day now.

No, I've managed. You got control of it? I've gotten it down to like maybe like an hour and a half maybe. But also lately I've just sort of got like, it doesn't interest me as much. This is a weird thing I'm noticing is like, do you ever like, when you break an addiction to video games or whatever you don't miss the video game or whatever

you're addicted to but you miss the addiction itself you know what i'm talking to where you're like i kind of liked being addicted fanatical yeah i like being stuck it was like kind of cool to be because you know what you have to do yeah gotta play gotta play gotta right gotta mandate that play that you know what you have to do you're gonna play that day it gives you security when i get home i'm gonna play yes yes yeah and yeah and when that's gone now what are you gonna do and guys who have shit jobs guys have jobs they hate but a really good internet connection. Oh, they can't wait to get home. Can't wait to get home. Fire up some fucking World of Warcraft.

Fire up some. What do they play? What's the big one they play online? There's all these combat ones, right? Yeah, isn't it like Call of Duty? You play that. Is that still big, Jamie? The new one just came out last week.

New one just came out. That kind of shit is so addictive to people because it's so thrilling and you get no consequences when you get killed other than you feel like shit. Like, fuck, you got me. They're so realistic too. Oh my God. Some of them are so good. They look so good.

I've been tricked by racing ones. When I see a racing video, obviously they're just like on my phone, but I think I look at it and I go, oh my God, that looks real. If I saw it on the screen, it probably looked fake, but some of them look fucking real. Oh my God. They're incredible, dude. I pull up one of the racing video games. So you can see it on a big screen.

See how good it looks. Cause they, it looks like real fucking cars. If you're in that thing, in that state of mind, like constantly like... That's so thrilling. Thrilling. So thrilling. Yeah. I mean, people build like simulators.

My friend Peter has one. Yeah. He's like a serious driver though. He drive drives. So he's training. Yes. He's actually training. Yeah.

Look at this. Oh my God. Look at these guys on motorcycles. These guys are riding motorcycles in the fucking rain and they're racing. This is so insane. Oh My god, this is so fucking insane. Oh Jesus and they're wiped out. Oh my god that guy made it What game is this? MotoGP? This seems so real, dude. The water on the windshield.

I'm getting this game as soon as I get home. This seems so real. Obviously, I don't know shit about racing motorcycles, but the way it looks, it looks like this is actually happening. It's real, man. I race a lot. This definitely is exactly what it's like. Do they race in the rain like this?

I don't know. They must. That's crazy, dude. I mean, isn't it crazy enough to already be racing a motorcycle with a dude in the fucking rain? Holy shit. Look at that. Do you know how fucking thrilling that must be though? They bump into each other and shit. Fuck that. Do you know how fucking thrilling that must be, though? They bump into each other and shit.

Fuck that. That game's too realistic. That game's too realistic, dude. What game is this? So this is on the dry. OK, well, that's slightly less realistic for some reason. Yeah, I think the reflections help there. Yeah, I think also the water dropping onto the screen

that fucking really brings you into it. Like, oh my god, this is really happening. We're getting wet. Man, it's crazy where it's going, Joe. It's just nuts. Do they really race in the rain like that? I'm gonna check. Race, motorcycle, rain.

That seems so insane that they would do that. Oh my god, they do! They do! Oh my god, this is insane. It's so wet. That's gnarly. Put your foot down? He's trying to balance. Dude, this is so crazy. Oh my god, they're bumping into each other and shit. You're allowed to bump? I don't know, man. Maybe not allowed, but if it happens, it happens. Yeah, you kind of just say, whoops, sorry.

Sorry, bro. That's when you get warnings and stuff. This is nuts, man. This is less realistic. Oh, my God. He wiped. He, like, fist pumped while he's wiping. Because he's saying he's okay.

Oh, my God. He's going to get back on it. while he's wiping. Because he's saying he's okay. Oh my God, he's going to get back on it. He's okay. Jesus, how good are these motorcycles? You can fucking wipe out in them?

Oh shit, look at that. Oh! Oh my God. And you just slide. That's probably fun. I don't know. Well, that dude fell like a champion i would have fall head foot head foot head foot broken ankle broken arms fucked up neck this is where like i kick around the idea

that upon death it may just be that man it might just be that, man. It might just be that. Like the whole fucking thing. People watch us like we watch like video games. They're like, look, look at the way he died. Can you fucking believe it? Did you see how he fell out of a building, splattered all over the ground? That was nuts. Look, he's getting back up, going back in the game. It's like I think that could really be what's going on man is is this shit just keeps Getting in this whatever this little bubble. We're in it always gets more advanced it always gets more hypnotic

It always gets more spectacular we die we take a break then we pop back in what game is that? This is the third showing off the new Video card I was trying to show you something like this. Oh, my God. This is incredible. Yeah, the lighting is what really gets it. These are great games. This might not even be a game.

This is really probably just a demo. So these are like little tiny toy cars that you're racing. It's showing off this 4000 series video card, which is about to come out very soon. Who's making that? NVIDIA does. They always make the best ones, right? Look at that. The 4090 is what it's called, but then the RTX is the ray tracing, which makes stuff

look insane. Dude, have you seen, Joe, have you seen- This is amazing. Look at the video. Have you seen the virtual react? Okay, so I know you've seen because i've sent in i've probably sent you too many clips of weird ai shit like ai animation okay have you seen the ai animation that is in vr so it's the same shit i'm sending you except the vr itself

is being generated do you want to can i show you one of these jamie would you mind going on uh i think it's the forum on twitter and then scroll down and somewhere he's posted really like at the very top of his tweets it says like ai virtual reality it's about the name of his account the forum d e d forum like forum but with d yeah that's it d e-E-F-O-R-U-M, I think. Deforum. I've got a stable diffusion VR real time immersive latent space thing. Yeah, check this shit out. So it's in VR.

The AI is generating the space in VR. So it's really fucking trippy looking. I'm not oh yeah that's it oh my god yeah dude it's just like building it inside the virtual yeah so it's building these structures in VR and they're changing and morphing as you're walking around this VR room. Exactly. Like you're tripping balls. Probably with prompts. It's like,

it's like, you know, just shifting and changing. The AI is just generating new environments, instantaneously growing them. That's that moment where it's probably, it's like in the beginning process of generating a new environment, new environment.

And then it's like, and that's going to get faster and faster. So it's like happens instantaneously. Isn't that wild? Oh my God, dude. Yeah. Do you know what kind of crazy horror games they're going to be able to make with these things? Well, dude, it's, I can't even imagine.

Like it's. Do you know how immersive that's going to be and how fucking addictive that's going to be? Yeah, man. I mean, and also that you're going to be and how fucking addictive that's going to be? Yeah, man. I mean, and also that you're going to be wearing augmented reality goggles or glasses that are doing the same thing to your environment in real time. So, like, you're, you know, this stable diffusion shit, man, you can give it a, like, an MP4, just a video clip, and it'll take every frame and then generate like a new image based on the image it's not deep faking you could like you know i took a video of johnny pemberton and like it's like uh johnny pemberton rapping in studio shirtless gold chains and you know he's wearing

a shirt but it took that video and over each clip no shirt gold chain made a music studio around him that kind of undulates in and out like over so it's like this to me man this is like gonna change this is gonna change everything it's like once it's wearable and you can just decide, you know, today, can you put me in a primordial forest? So like wherever I go, everything's just like trees and dinosaurs and stuff. And that's the reality that you see. That's what you're going to see. It's going to take in real time all the shit around you and then put over it whatever the fuck you want. You're going to be able to wear it on your face.

And that's when that's the apocalypse. I mean, that's like where we're all living in different realities. You'll be hanging out anywhere in a mall and everyone in the mall is going to be experiencing a different version of the fucking mall. Some people are going to be in a castle. Some people are going to be walking through a pyramid or in some kind of like space station.

That's where we're headed. I mean, that's proof of it, man. I mean, that's right now that seems slow in the sense you have to watch it fill itself in. That would probably be a selling point of some malls that our escalators are designed to enhance your AR experience. Yeah, for sure. So we have fully compatible AR escalators. So your escalator becomes a moat. Yeah, man.

You have to walk across a drawbridge. Think of cults in the age of AR where the cult leader gives you special. These are like our special prototypes. You wear these and you will see the world as father sees it. So you put them on you know what i mean you put them on and you're seeing like a world that is created by the cult leader or imagine dude fucking like a tyrannical government that like forces the citizens to wear the goggles that project they live it's they live in reverse i guess yeah they live they live except

they force you to wear the goggles so if you're not wearing or like you wear goggles that are the color of whatever like political party you align with so like you know what i mean you see somebody wearing blue goggles and you're like oh fuck idiot yeah right look you know that stupid world they're seeing do you know how much plastic actually gets recycled? Yeah, their goggles show carbon emissions. Yeah. They show the names of homeless people, so they make them human. Whereas some other goggles, they just turn homeless people into beautiful floral displays or something.

You know what I mean? Like, it's going to be like that. It's going to be like that. You know, you want to be surrounded. You want everyone that you're around to be like the most beautiful naked woman. Then that's what it's going to be. It's like you want that. That's what you're going to get.

The people running these simulations and these AR, are they going to be entranced with it too are they going to be the people that are creating these or are we just going to give it up to ai like are we going to give up to power to ai or are people going to be curating these experiences for people curate i mean it's going to well i think it's will it come to a point in time where they can't do that anymore i think it it'll be like, you know, like when I've been doing this text to art shit, you actually, it takes time to figure out the right prompts to get it to make the thing you want it to make. Like Midjourney, which is this incredible text to art AI, part of the fun is you sit there like, you know, trying to like think of like,

what is it that we want this thing to make like uh uh and it's fun you can kind of do it like one night i was like with like justin roiland a bunch of these other artists we were all trying to do different versions of like bill cosby eating beautiful sausages and like just trying to type in different versions of it on mid journey to like make it like like to dial in whatever the fuck uh bill cosby on a roller coaster made a human baby meat you know shit like that just to see what you can make but you really do have to figure out the prompts so i think initially it's definitely going to be curated by people who know how to generate the prompts and make it make whatever the fuck it is but

gradually it's going to get better and better at understanding what it is you're wanting and then at that point it'll probably be like you know you'll be more in control of what you're seeing on your screen at first and then in vr and then in ar i would say and then who knows who knows man i mean i'm sure there's like going to be popular like in the way there's popular Instagram videos. Right. Right. There's going to be popular worlds where you upload your world experience to some new version of Instagram and, you know, or TikTok or whatever. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to try. I'm going to put on that dude's fucking world experience. It's awesome. You know, it probably will be more like that curated vr or ar world experiences there'll be people who are really good at making them and then you know there's going to be people

who are like uh you know become like the steven spielberg of augmented reality like reality but wouldn't the curated shit become like the n CBS ABC version and then there's gonna be a blockchain version of AI where everybody agrees to have no centralized power and it just all gets Created and curated and adjusted by the people that work inside the system. That's the forum That's stability you dude when I was I was I got I'm saying like that would like eliminate cults. That's stability. Dude, when I was, I was, I got. You know what I'm saying? Like that would like eliminate cults. That's stability AI, dude. That's the people making this shit. I'm like, they are like, I couldn't find who made it.

I had to like dig deep just to find who was like making this technology available. I couldn't find it because they're making it open source. And their whole thing is what you're talking about. It's all collaborative. AI by the people for the people. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Oh, okay.

And it was hard to find, like, this technology is the most mind-blowing shit out there. And it was hard to find who's behind it. That might be this concept behind this and the idea behind that. That might be the cure. If this is the way that humanity interacts and exchange information from here on out imagine if that becomes the norm yeah that could be the norm and if that's the norm that might be our way out of this if there's a way where you can get out of centralized power and the way is that it's almost impossible to avoid just like it's impossible to not have a cell phone now

you know it's impossible i mean you can do it. People have done it. Some people wear flip phones. You can be a renegade, but most people don't. What if it becomes like that with this? And what if it becomes like that with decentralized AI? And if we all agree that this is the best way to, and there's no manipulation, there's no coercion for you to opt in

to a corporate controlled AR. Why would I do that? I don't want to do that. Why would I only watch the Big Bang Theory when I want to watch Game of Thrones? I watch Game of Thrones. Fuck you. And it's going to be like that with the way you interact with reality. People are going to gravitate

towards these ones that aren't controlled. There'll be a bunch of fake ones that are controlled by Russia. And people get sucked into these ones and those ones be manipulative. But I think ultimately, just like what the Internet is doing for the exchange of information, it's kind of like putting it in the hands of people that really never would have gotten into that position if they were involved in the corporate system. Right. Maybe it'll be like that with AI as well.

I mean, the stuff is most certainly being like at least you know that stuff is open source you when you uh are working with it you like it's it's like man i'm telling you it's like wizard it's like going into a wizard's library or something you're having to like pull out these weird tomes called collabs these weird things on github like shit i don't know it's so fucking arcane and like uh you know like uh going on youtube channels like profit of the singularity to like the name of the youtube channels profit of the singularity to get tutorials on how to make the shit work and it's all just people sharing information that's what i love about it just people like okay I figured out how to do this.

And then I figured out how to do that. All going on in the background. Just like what you were saying earlier. While we're all at each other's fucking throats, the midterm elections are coming. The fate of democracy lies in your vote. In the background, these, I don't know who they are, wizard, transhumanist, AI people are just tapping code. Okay, we're going to make the AI smarter. We're going to make it a little smarter.

I think you can make it smarter here. Let's make it smarter there. Can we make it understand language better? Yeah, we can. Let's see if we can make it translate really bad audio into perfectly clear speech. Okay, we can do that. Let's just keep doing it. All that's going on in the background.

And where it gets interesting is they they're sharing their information here you go we figured it out here you go and then some other wizard gets it and they're like okay i can make that better and then it gets a little better and a little better and then the ai starts making it better on its own it's like all right maybe i'll analyze this the things my master's created and then let's see if i can make myself better that's that's how you get to mckenna's singularity it's open source collaboration between these geniuses and they don't honestly i don't think they give a fuck who it is working on it like anybody can like participate it's really cool man it's really badass i feel so excited to have stumbled upon it because that's amazing

it's amazing that i thought that may be the future, and then it's a real thing that's happening right now. You tuned in to it, which is why I was like, it's stability eye, because I just discovered that. It's like real punk rock, man. Yeah, well, I think that's what we need, right? You want some coffee? I love some.

No, you've got a mug right in front of you. It's so hard to see in here with the candle. Already blind as a bat. Me too, dude. What's that? The candles you've got a mug right in front of you. It's so hard to see in here with the candle. Already blind as a bat. Those candles are going down. Me too, dude. What's that? The candles are getting a little dark. Yeah.

Thanks, Jamie. Thanks for humoring us old men. Yeah, but we are going blind. There's no if, ands, or buts. I've managed to put a halt to most of it with supplements. I don't know. I wonder if sauna use has a factor and the cold plunge has a factor. But diet has a factor.

We talked about Paul Saladino sent me some data on seed oils. And they're connecting seed oils and consumption of seed oils, which is in fucking everything, to macular degeneration, to some people's vision issues. Seed oils? Was that what it was? Make sure that that's correct. Seed oils? Yeah, what it was? Make sure that that's correct. Seed oils? Yeah, seed oils. What seeds?

Like grape seed oil and all. Industrial seed oils that were originally industrial lubricants. So macular degeneration. Vegetable oils, trans fats, including soybean, canola, corn, and cottonseed oil, as well as hydrogenated and partially. I'll click on that because we brought this up before. Do you have macular degeneration? Yeah.

It's old people's eyes don't work that good. That's when it gets darker. Like when you're driving, it seems really dark. So this is what we, so this is the, what it says here in this article on, what is it?

Nutritional weight and wellness. And it's bringing up nutrition episode, Nutritional Weight and Wellness. And it's bringing up nutrition episode, board-certified epistemologist. Featured fascinating discussions on the important nutrition connections to age-related macular degeneration. That's what we have. You may be surprised to learn that AMD is a leading cause of irreversible vision loss and blindness in the developed world. In AMD, inflammation and reduced blood oxygen flow causes damage to the photoreceptors, rods, and cones, and the blood vessels of the macula of the retina. Jesus. Symptoms of AMD include blurred vision.

Got it. Blind spots. I don't have that yet. Difficulty seeing in dim light. Yep. I got that. And difficulty switching to night vision, all which will only get worse over time great the retina the eye okay here it is a soil vegetable oils and trans fats include soybean canola corn and cottonseed oils as well as hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils undergo extensive heat

and chemical processing by the end of that process, they're oxidized, damaged, and cause inflammation to all the tissues in our bodies, including our eyes. To add insult to injury, these types of fats also make their way into most man-made and high-sugar foods, such as cakes, pastries, fried foods, salad dressings, dips, margarines, coffee creamers, cooking oils, and more. That's literally on my rider. A double whammy of inflammation for our eyes. Yeah, well, this is Lugavere, right?

I'm saying it right. Max Lugavere and I talked about that on the podcast recently where he was discussing the nutritional benefits of olive oil, how good olive oil is for you. It's like a superfood. It's the opposite of what these things are. These things are bad for you. They cause inflammation. Olive oil is actually good for you. It's like a superfood. It's the opposite of what these things are. These things are bad for you. They cause inflammation. Olive oil is actually good for you.

Dude, can you believe that shit? Like, all those things they just listed are poison killing you, and like no one really, like, understands that. Like, it's making you go blind. Well, they didn't know when they first started selling them, you know? So the problem is

they're already selling them. Like, when they, they used to think that saturated fat started selling them. So the problem is they're already selling them. They used to think that saturated fat like butter was the culprit. You know the study about the sugar study where they paid scientists off to say that sugar was causing all these heart issues. When they did that, they created a narrative that everybody sort of bought into. And that narrative is you want to get away from saturated fat. So what's the substitute? Oh, well, you get these vegetable oils. Perfect. Vegetables are good for you.

Right. Vegetables are good for you, right? So if you want vegetable oil, it must be better for you. Makes sense. Right. But then you find out about the processing involved and the oxidation, that they're damaged and that it causes inflammation. And, dude, I feel like shit when I have a salad and it's got, like, some shitty salad dressing on it.

It's always like, ugh, my stomach feels gross. Yeah, right. But when I have a salad with, like, olive oil and, like, balsamic vinaigrette, it's fucking great. I love it. Like, I used to think that I didn't like eating salads. That it made me feel gross. And I realized, no, it's the fucking dressing. Because I'm a dope and if i had like a nice italian dressing

a zesty i'll pour that shit all it's like you're pouring all these weird fucking oils all over your food oh dude that's so fucked up man like we all do it though it's like oh my god you think you're being healthy dressing i will fucking dump it i'll i'll turn my salad into a soup but you're being a good boy it's good You're eating a salad. My veggies. Super healthy. Holy shit. But meanwhile, it's not.

And then you get all puffed. But if you do it with olive oil, it is healthy. That's the rub. And I think a lot of what these people are connecting, a lot of these people are talking about damages that vegetables do to you. Maybe. Maybe it's what you're putting on them, too. It could be that.

I mean, how many people are cooking their vegetables in these um these kind of oils a lot of people man a lot and they think they're doing it no lard is different lard is okay rendered fat yeah that's what beef tallow is it's rendered fat that's good news yeah rendered fat is actually good for you which is crazy because you would say there's no way but actually that's, that's a fat that tolerates high heats better. It doesn't, you know, like when you're cooking in high heats, you want- Lard is good for you. Beef tallow is very good for you.

It's just beef fat. But like Crisco. Not good for you. Is that lard? What's in there, though? What's in Crisco? I thought Crisco was lard. Well, if lard means, I think the old school, old timey method, that's what I'm using.co is lard well if lard means i think the old school old tummy method

that's what i'm using not processed lard i'm using like rendered pig fat they used to use rendered bear fat bear fat was like super popular for a long time in this country bears were very valued for their fat believe it or not i believe it and then there's beef tallow okay so this is crisco vegetable oil oh shit Originally cottonseed oil. I don't eat it. I just for some reason thought that was lard. It sounds like it's lard, that's why. But see, that's not good for you.

Look what it says on it. All vegetable. Oh, it must be good for you. All vegetable! It's gotta be good for you. It's like eating broccoli. So we got duped by these fucking scientists in whatever, what was it? The 50s or the 60s, whenever they did that, they pay these guys like 50 grand. It wasn't even a lot of money. And they fucked up our entire food pyramid.

They screwed up people's ideas of what's healthy and what's not healthy. And they did it for fucking being bribed by the sugar industry. How many other things? Oh, but that's a nutty one, one dude because it still persists to this day when you tell people that you only eat mostly meat yeah 50 years ago sugar industry quietly paid scientists to point the blame to fat wow i mean it is a bunker story so uh there was a rise i think in what was it arterial sclerosis what was the rise in, what was it? Arterial sclerosis. What was the rise in specifically? There was like some sort of a health epidemic. Coronary heart disease.

Coronary heart disease. So this coronary heart disease rise started happening. People were getting fatter and they were having heart attacks. Yeah. And so they were like, we got to figure out a way to not kill this fucking gravy train we're on. They had these internal documents that were clearly pointing to sugar beet fucking terrible for you. So they bribe scientists. I can't believe that.

It's amazing. You know, are we just, you know, idiots? No. Are we just naive idiots that we are like astounded that humans could be that fucking evil to To warp reality in a way to poison people for money like to me It's crazy to me. Absolutely still happening right now. That's see that's where Where we get hacked right? Yeah, that's where the hacking happens because we want to feel safe You want to feel safe you want to believe i believe we got it figured out now and you want to believe that that there aren't people like that literal warlocks like literal

evil wizards making bad potions and dispensing them to the people poisoning them and then trying to tell them that it's medicine well we'll we'll go even further than that, what people are capable of. Fentanyl. People are capable of bringing fentanyl into the country for profit. Fentanyl's not bad for you. Eh. It's actually, that's actually a misconception. It's really, it's actually very good.

Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue joke. I mean, fentanyl is scary. And I know it's become a right versus left issue, but this speaks to what we were talking about before. Jimmy Kimmel had a monologue where he was talking about right-wing people being scared of fentanyl coming in from the border in the form of candy during Halloween.

Oh, right. You know, this is like that joke that keeps popping up. What is it? Like, nobody's going to give their fentanyl away. That's the joke, right? There's like a million versions of it out there. Like, who's going to give their drugs away? We broke this down with Dr. Phil.

The problem is not that they're bringing candy in and dosing it with fentanyl. The problem is the fentanyl that they're making could be misconstrued as candy by kids. Some of it is like these little brightly colored pills. And if you're a kid and you're four and you see that, that looks like candy. You're just going to take it and put it in your mouth. Kids put everything in their mouth. You know that. They stuck things up their nose. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that looks like candy. You're just going to take it and put it in your mouth. Kids put everything in their mouth. You know that. They stuck things up their nose.

Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's what they do. So that's laying around. That's a concern. That's a real concern. Is it a concern that people are going to come across the border and give kids poisoned candy? I don't think that's killing somewhere like 100,000 people are dying of this drug every day. And is there some dispute about that it's the number one killer of kids 18 to 45?

I mean, dude, it's in all the drugs. You said there was like some dispute, right? Yeah, I was looking it up. It was the number one killer in like most people's, it was like cancer and heart disease. The number one killer of all people? Yeah. That includes 18 to 49.

Correct. So what is- And then that's why it was digging into the article. It was like blaming it on fentanyl was a little tough. Not that it was necessarily inaccurate, but it's not, no one's keeping track of fentanyl deaths they don't even write it on a i think the death certificate that way it's just opiate yeah okay so let's just say opioid deaths let's not even say fentanyl i think that was what they were saying i don't necessarily they were saying it was all fentanyl poisoning but you know fentanyl is just the most potent form of opiate

yeah so what's the number one opioid is that the most potent form of opiate. So what's the number one opioid? Is that the number one killer of people 18 to 49? But what I'm saying is if it's not fentanyl that's the number one killer, is it opioids that are the number one killer of people 18 to 49? Isn't fentanyl cheaper than heroin? That's the problem. Well, it's way more potent.

A tiny, tiny, tiny amount can kill you. If you look at it in relationship to a penny, it's like the tiniest part of a penny. You know what? The PolitiFact says heart disease, cancer, and COVID outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults. Right. But the problem with COVID is if you are dying of opioids and you catch COVID and then you die from COVID, that's a COVID death. You know what's funny, dude?

So many people listen to your fucking podcast, there's probably someone making fentanyl right now listening to this shit. Like, come on, it's not that bad. A study by an advocacy group says that fentanyl is the leading cause of death for people ages 18 to 45 compared with other major causes

of death such as automobile accidents, cancer, and suicide. Heart accidents, cancer, and suicide. Heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19 outrank opioid overdoses as leading causes of death among all American adults. I wonder, though, we do, and I'm not discrediting the fact that people died from COVID, but we do know that a lot of people who died from COVID were already dying, and they listed them as COVID deaths, including people with cancer. If you're taking opioids and your immune system is fucking destroyed and you're on your way out the door and you catch COVID, you're probably not going to make it. Did COVID kill you or were you already dying?

Yeah, I mean, dude. So what's the actual number then? You know what I'm saying? Like if you found that number and you taxed it on. Wait, didn't, Jamie, scroll up. Didn't it say 100,000 people a year? That was a quote someone had. So right there it said 56,000.

Yeah, yeah. That's what it said there. It said in 2020, more than 56,000 people. But that is two years ago, and it has gotten worse. Nearly 70,000 people. 2021, nearly 70 million. 70,000. Excuse me, 70,000. 70,000 people, but that is two years ago, and it has gotten worse. 2021, nearly 70 million. 70,000. Excuse me, 70,000.

So CDC's online mortality database, 2021, nearly 70,000 people, 18 and over, died. So that is shy of 100, but still fucking crazy. Dude, that makes Jonestown look like nothing. That's a large number of people. Think of that, man. Think of that. Like, if we could see, like, all those dead bodies. Like, you know the videos of Jonestown when they're all scattered around?

Well, just imagine a Super Bowl. It's a stadium filled with dead people. Yeah. In a year. Every year. Every year. From overdosing. Holy fuck, man.

Yeah. That is crazy. That's crazy. That's a way to look at it that really puts it in perspective. God damn, that shit must feel good. I've never done it, man. It must just be like, it must be an incredible high. Well, I think it's just, it's probably amazing, but there's also the problem that they give it to you when you get hurt. Oh, yeah. And it's so, it's hard to get off of.

I know a bunch of people that have gotten injured, and then they got on something, and then whatever that painkiller was, they had a really hard time getting off of it. Dude, I flirted with that shit for a second, and then something changed in my brain. I used to like it. I used to like taking, like, a Vicodin,

and, like, I liked the buzz. But then it's the weirdest thing, man. Just one day, it had been a long time since I'd taken any of them I took it and I just got really sick like like made me feel like woozy. I didn't like the high at all I just got lucky but some people yeah, man, they take it and they're like I've come home This is home. This is where I want to be. This is you know, like it's it's like Warming your hands on a chemical fire.

Remember the old NyQuil? The one that really got you fucked up? Oh, yeah. I remember I took that old NyQuil in the 90s, and I was sick one day. And I took it, and I was sitting in my bed watching TV, and I couldn't have felt more loved. Yeah. I was like, the whole world's just full of love. Yeah. It's love, love, love. I was like, the whole world's just full of love. Yeah. It's love, love, love.

I was like, oh, no wonder why people love this stuff. Yeah. Like, I didn't know that it was that. You could buy over the counter. What is it? Was it codeine? Is that what it was? I think it was codeine.

Dude, it felt magical. I don't know if it was a NyQuil, though. Codeine was a NyQuil? Whatever it was that I took. It was some nasty stuff that you take a shot of. I thought was in NyQuil, though. Codeine was in NyQuil? Whatever it was that I took. It was some nasty stuff that you take a shot of. I thought it was NyQuil. Probably like some cough syrup, some kind of like cough syrup that had codeine in it. Because I do know that was over the counter.

I think it was over the counter. But at one point in time, was NyQuil, did NyQuil have codeine in it? Or something like that in it? NyQuil had some shit definitely that would make you kind of trip. But what you're describing sounds like an opioid or something. It felt like that. It felt just like pure love. Like I remember feeling how good it felt to the rest of my head on the pillow.

I was like, ah. It was wonderful. And I was like, oh, my God, this stuff is great. It was like it'd keep this shit away from me. I don't have the kind of self-control to not be drinking NyQuil every night. Dude, that would be so weird if you were secretly addicted to NyQuil. Well, I know people who have been. I know there was a comic.

NyQuil? Yeah. There was a comic that used to make the staff pick him up NyQuil and drop it off in his green room. Ugh. Did you see the shit? That's so weird. It's not weird, weird man I'm telling you

if you experience I don't know I mean what year was it I want to say it was when I got sick that I had the NyQuil I want to say it was late 90s wasn't it a TikTok thing that just happened where their kids were cooking chicken and NyQuil and like they had to say to stop doing that

that's how you get the island boys parents be more careful what kind of food you're cooking your kids nobody was i don't think anyone was eating the chicken and the nyquil it was just i think some weirdo poured nyquil in a frying pan and threw chicken in it and then it set off a TikTok challenge. And then of course someone eventually was like, what happens if we eat the chicken? Tell me that's not China. Tell me that is not China fucking with America. That's where you need the ministry of truth to stop the NyQuil chicken crazes.

You hire this dude who's like, you know, the acting world's not really working out that well for him, but we have a job for you in China to do disinformation videos. how to handle risky internet trends like tiktok's nyquil chicken challenge oh my god they really cooked nyquil cooked chicken and nyquil yeah i'm not surprised these kids are fucking crazy um is it when what year did uh nyquil have something psychoactive in it, and did it change? It used to have up to 25% alcohol at least,

and it looks like in 1991 around the time is maybe when it changed. What did it change it to? Just booze. I'm looking. Because knowing my dumb ass, I might have had a jug sitting around from 91. There's a very long article about it. A long article about it? It's like the whole timeline of every year of NyQuil and how popular it was and all the ads about it a long article about the whole timeline of like every year of nyquil

and how popular it was and all the ads about it and i think it's changed multiple times i'm trying to find like i didn't say there was codeine in it specifically but nyquil tastes like shit man i don't understand truly like it's but i'm telling you dude this was this one time when i was sick and i didn't experience this ever again. And there was one other time where I was on morphine when I got my knee reconstructed. They had a morphine drip on me. And I'm pretty positive. They told me that when I pressed the button, you would get more morphine. Because it's like connected to this thing.

Wow. And that if you felt bad, you could press the button and get more morphine. So I was hammering that fucking thing. But someone told me it's regulated oh like they just give you the impression you're in control of it but you're not really in 93

in 1993 they're not going to let you dial in your own morphine because the more morphine you get the higher you get and then you forget like you're like when did I press the button last it's probably been 20 minutes it's been a couple of seconds that's how you od that's how people od is they get high and they forget they took the pill and then they go back and take the pill right but what if it only gives you like one milligram a hammer yeah stroboscopic hands it's like 300 milligrams will kill you yeah

300 easy clicks to paradise do you know what p Peter Rattia told me about Tylenol? He said if you take 20 times the recommended dose, it'll kill you. That's how dangerous Tylenol is. Is Cetaminophen, he said, is Cetaminophen poisoning? Oh, yeah. It's like a very high rate of poisoning. I heard that's the kind of- People that don't want to read the labels.

You go to the hospital. You've decided to commit suicide with tylenol you've changed your mind oh my god you go there thinking you're gonna get like something they're gonna give you something to make you better and they're like your liver's gone like it's already eating your liver up or something i don't know if this is just like some horror story i heard but i heard that's how it works is once you're gonna be alive alive a little bit, you're going to survive a little bit longer than after your liver is like kind of liquefied or something. And then so it's a terrible OD. It's a terrible OD.

Fuck that. Cetaminophen eats you up. That's why Vicodin is so bad because it's the acetaminophen mixed with the opioid and it goes really well with. White wine. Red. I was on a plane once there was this lady next to me in first class and she was fucking hilarious and uh she was like some business lady and uh she she said let me tell you something a xanax and a glass of wine and i don't give a fuck what happens to this plane dude she was hilarious that's so funny i think we were flying like overseas i think it was like an england flight or something like that that's so funny and this lady was just taking xanax and

drinking wine she didn't give a fuck and it was it was just like that combination for her in that moment was hilarious like but i would imagine that would be super unmanageable. I know people that have had problems with Xanax, and especially mixing Xanax. I know a comic that was mixing Xanax with alcohol a lot, which you're not supposed to do. No, you're not. But that lady seemed so happy.

Well, you are. You're fucking happy until you're not, until you fucking come down. I got addicted to xanax it was fucking horrible man i went on tour in australia my dad had given me these sleeping pills uh that were the best fucking sleeping pills of all time joe and i'm so dumb i didn't look in what was in it you know and then there was a benzo in it now someone else had given me benzos anyway the point is like i didn't realize how many benzos I was taking.

So you were taking them every night to go to sleep? And before a flight. And so I end up getting home. And, you know, I'm done with it. Like, I feel like one flew over the fucking cuckoo's nest. I'm like, I don't want to take this shit anymore. It's horrible. I feel gross.

It's, like, awful. So I stopped taking it. And you're not supposed to do that when you're addicted to xanax so i stopped taking it i'm standing in line at a pharmacy not to get more xanax to get cold no i don't know why it matters advil or something so i'm standing in line and all of a sudden i get this weird fucking headache it feels like electricity is like, I don't know how to explain it, like my hand twitched or something, and I'm like, ugh.

I just started feeling bad. Went home, got into bed, worst headache of my fucking life. I was closing my eyes, seeing like bad trip images and stuff. I couldn't sleep, and I'm thinking, you know, man, if you go take Xanax right now i guarantee

this headache's gonna go away because this is some kind of withdrawal for sure and i'm like if i fucking go take xanax that's how you get addicted to xanax is like so i just wrote it out white knuckled it oh my god dude it was and you didn't know you're not supposed to do that i did not care i think it hurt i think i just realized like i don't think i knew you could die i think i just in my in my mind i was like and i don't think i was close i don't think i was i mean the people who who died they're like just drinking glasses of fucking xanax but you know from your experience the grip oh yeah i mean it's not just i mean like with a lot of things uh vaping like the the basic little addictions coffee you know what i mean like coffee's a rough one though generally though

you don't get like a sledgehammer effect when you stop it you know you just feel irritable you feel a little but yeah with xanax with the opiates the opioids that xanax and alcohol the only ones that can actually kill you if you get off of them too quick yeah delirium trimmings right with alcohol you see spiders and shit you have the worst trip of your fucking life and this is why people like can't quit because they could die and then you know also i mean i i think we you got to kind of look at civilization society modern society and like think about like well why are people taking these opioids you know what i mean it's not like everyone who gets addicted to fucking pills is some kind of miscreant junkie in fact most of them are really good people they just

they kind of feel like whatever this shit is reality life minus the drugs is sort of uh a raw deal you know what i mean they're kind of like why why why do i need to be sober in like according to your definition of sober you know a lot of people they're like here's what sober is and they're not even fucking sober they're on coffee they smoke cigarettes they're on pharmaceutical medications but yeah i think a lot like probably a lot of people who are on pills uh as awful as they are, and man, I'll tell you, man, I'm very close to someone who's related to someone who has an opioid addict and they're scary. Dude, it is awful.

It's a wrecking ball to families. It destroys families. In a way, it's like the way it fucks up the family unit is so crazy, you can only compare it to demon possession it's like this used to be your brother this used to be your son it's a thing now that if it can it's gonna steal your wallet it's gonna break into your house it's gonna like wreck your car it but it looks like the person that you love but it keeps lying and robbing and doing awful shit dude it fucks up families not just like

direct families it goes out and ripples it so any when you see 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses that's just the people who died you're not seeing like all the people who are close to death or the walking dead in the way that's like impacting families and their shame attached to it. So people don't talk about it. People don't know what to do. The state isn't sophisticated enough to step in and deal with it. Man, it's so fucking depressing. It's so it's very it's so horrible.

It really is. It's like it's a It's a fucking plague. I mean, I know so many people who've been just ruined by it. And I'm sure you do too, man. they lied about it being addictive they lied they did distribute that family the fentanyl family right the was that family Jamie that's it's it's scary that people are willing to do stuff like that for profit and then once it happens and once you get that profit you want to keep that profit roll it in so you keep selling it and you keep finding ways to prescribe it for people and people keep getting addicted sacklers the sackler family the fucking sacklers dude that's crazy that's nuts they made so much money selling that stuff and people the thing is like if heroin was legal like real regular heroin and people could snort it and you get pure heroin yeah would all that stuff even exist anymore uh probably not right cuz it was regulated cuz there was

probably to produce it probably doesn't kill you as easy either like snorting heroin it's probably doesn't kill you as easy as fentanyl as pills I have no idea man it's somehow I avoided heroin. Of all the drugs, I really have no idea. I wonder, I think when people die from heroin overdose, are they dying from snorting it

or are they dying from injecting it? And if you made it legal, would people just start injecting it everywhere? My guess is you could, it doesn't matter how you get it in your bloodstream. Once you get to a certain amount,

your respiratory system shuts down. Are you, what's the word when you suffocate on your own puke Jesus Christ you uh? Yeah, you suffocate a station or something. Yeah, you just like you you you go to sleep, but then you throw up Oh, and then you suffocate it you drowned in puke Hendrix supposedly went out. Yeah, I think so. I mean it it's like that's how you go out is by drowning and puke. It's a hell death. You know there's like a crazy conspiracy theory connected to Hendrix?

What? That his manager had him whacked because he was going to leave his manager. Like some guy who was like a security guy or something that wrote a book about it. Really? Yeah, and there's a lot of weird stuff to it. Like Hendrix's girl afterwards threw herself off a roof, and they were trying to say that they silenced her. They took her to a fucking roof and threw her off of it.

They Putin'd her. You know, that's very attractive. I don't know the story. I don't know whether it's correct or not. I used to say, oh, I bet that's what happened. But now I'm like, who the fuck knows? But for sure organized crime was involved in music. For sure.

Yeah, right? Why would they not be? They were involved in everything. Yeah. The mob back in the day was involved in any fucking thing that was profitable. You know, I think one of the coolest things the mob has done lately is gotten people to go to the mob back in the day. You know what I mean?

Like, they're so smart because they're like, oh yeah, they got a PR person out there. They're like, yeah, back in the day, the mob was doing all kinds of crazy stuff. But the mob, it's mostly gone now. There's no more mob. It's really cool. It's a smart move they did.

I like that. It's like when Vince and the Chin, he used to walk around New York City with a bathrobe on and slippers and act crazy. Yeah. And meanwhile, he was like giving everybody information. Come walk with me. We're going to walk.

This is what we're going to do. The fucking Malangatis, they think they got us on this? Yeah. We're going to take them out at the fucking knees. This is how we're going to do it. So he's laying out what needs to be done, managing all the business of all the families. And along the way, the FBI bugged the cars so they knew his route that he would take. And so they just bugged the hubcaps of all these cars.

They parked a bunch of cars there. I think that's the story that's connected to that, right? Isn't that how they got him? Or am I conflating two mob stories? They might have used that on more than one mobster, that technique. But that's how they got him. Guy was just acting crazy. Dude, it's so funny to me.

Like when, you know, the thing is like, again, I don't mean to be cynical. I mean, I'm an old man now. I'm older now. And I like, I have gotten to the point where I recognize that the government isn't evil. It's like it's trying to do something. And that thing it's trying to do is really fucking hard like it's trying to create a democracy a place where you could like raise your kids not have kids whatever but live a relatively free life be healthy happy it's trying to do that that's the

machine is trying to do that and it's failing a lot it's trying but it but but it gets it's gotten infiltrated so within it there's chunks of like really nefarious bad shit but it's gotten infiltrated. So within it, there's chunks of like really nefarious bad shit. But it's like at some point you look at like the wars between governments and like mob, mafia, organized crime. And it's like really what's the – like which one – like they're both resorting to really brutal tactics. They both are okay with killing people. They both wage war like yeah I mean like strategically when you look at it like if you took the you know you take like any classic drug dealer like any like mid-level drug dealer make them like 500 times more powerful and they become a

pharmaceutical company right like at some point you go from like selling illegal drugs to just starting a company making fentanyl and then legally selling synthetic heroin and being protected by the police while you sell the drugs that's the only difference right like right if like the idea is like you get organized crime the organized crime if it gets to a certain level it gets on the radar and then it gets shut down. But if it manages to like jump through that level, then usually it just gets into politics. Right. And then it just becomes part of the government. Right. Like that's the ultimate place you want to be. Like you want to go from succumbing to laws to controlling the laws. That's like victory, right, when you get to make the laws.

So I don't know. It seems like, I don't know, I always think it's funny when you're hearing about them bugging their hubcaps and stuff. I'm just like, shit, man, it seems like it's just another mob war. Like, you know, they're not calling themselves the mob. They're calling themselves the government. Right. But it's still kind of a mob.

It's just one very, very powerful mob fighting. powerful mob fighting gotta be careful about malinformation duncan did i do malinformation no but we have to be careful that's why we need this organization protecting us i think malinformation if you're wearing a clown suit on a podcast you're allowed to do malinformation but you have to wear a stupid fucking clown suit you know that maybe that's the answer it's just like look make them wear something really dumb and then they can mal inform maybe that's what the president should be maybe you could be the president but you have to dress like a clown that's one of our new rules funny you can't like yeah you can't dress up you have to dress like a clown wait didn't biden dress like the Easter Bunny, though? No.

Ted Cruz. Somebody did? Yeah. Jamie, I'm sorry. You looked that up. I think it was the first lady. You know that video of the bunny directing Biden? That was some...

Who is that? You haven't seen this Easter Bunny? The rabbit kind of made him move on. The rabbit made Biden move on? So there's Biden waves to the rabbit. Joe Biden quickly interrupted by Easter Bunny after he's talking about Afghanistan. Oh my God. So the Easter Bunny came in while...

Hey, it's Easter! It's Easter, Mr. President! Oh my God, he stepped right in front of the president while he was making that speech about Afghanistan. That is insane! It's fucking wild. It's like the Shining. What a genius organization we have watching over our best interests.

Because that's a great way to do it. Yeah. Like, that's the only way you can do it and get away with it. Yeah, he walked away. Easter Bunny's like, sir, Mr. President? He's probably got a gun to his back. Sir, this is not a finger. I would pay a lot of money to have a fucking Easter Bunny follow me around and do that whenever I was about to say some dumb shit.

I was sounding like a rabbit. It's like, come on like come on let's go we should have that on the podcast anytime we're talking about something we don't know what the fuck we're talking about a rabbit shows up just comes out of the curtain no no no no no mal information ai rabbit that looks like coralline's mother look at that yeah the the rabbits pushed him around yeah go the rabbits guiding him man. What in the fuck, dude? Who was the rabbit? Exactly.

Who was in the suit? Furries are secretly controlling the government. It's not lizard people. Oh my fucking God. They misread the Great Scrolls. Holy shit.

Dude, it could have been an alien in the suit. Imagine. It could have been anything in the suit. That's what it is. That's what it is. It's imagine.

It gets in there. It takes off the top and it's a fucking gray alien. Yeah. Has been communicating with the white house this whole time. No, no, no, no, no.

Don't say that. That's spooky, man. I mean, it is, that's like, remember that scene in the shining? It's real quick where they open the door and it's like a furry,

like sucking a guy's dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like guy with a mask or something. Yeah. It's creepy. It's like, it's like, sucking a guy's dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like... A guy with a mask or something like that, right? Yeah, it's creepy. It's like anything like that where you're like... Because whoever's under that, whoever's in that suit, it's not like they heard him talking.

It's that someone, like, told him, hey, 798, go interrupt the president. He's about to say something about Afghanistan. He's talking about Afghanistan. Move, move, move. Now, go, go. Do we have anter bunny near the president okay good interrupt now oh my god that's so wild it's so wild they just can't let him talk and it's so wild that twitter is fact-checking him now twitter fact-checks biden's tweets look man if we're gonna do fact-checking it's got to be for everybody it's got to be for everybody. It's got to be for everybody. Everybody.

And that's good for everybody. Yeah. You can't have such a lazy game. Your propaganda game can't be that lazy. How about no fucking propaganda game? Wouldn't that be nice? That'd be sweet. It'd be nice to not be always constantly getting blasted by some weird fucking propaganda.

I would love that. I mean, again, it is our fault. We're the ones, like like turning on our propaganda rectangles and like letting it hypnotize us it is consensual propaganda it's not like people are standing in front of our houses with megaphones but it also has real world consequences we're seeing these people and we're seeing like some of the attitudes that they're adopting and some of the things that they're pushing to just stay in control of government it's like you guys are stirring up the bullshit you're stirring you're misrepresenting people you're doing it to cause conflict and you're doing it to shore up your party and you're doing it wantonly you're doing it on purpose we can see it it's real obvious

why do you even you know like sometimes i watch game of thrones or the new one which is badass house of dragons and you're like everybody wants to be fucking king why it's a managerial job it's like everyone's fighting for for just to sit nah i don't why it's what we're talking about before. That desire to be the head of the clan. The desire to be the head of the tribe is instilled in all of us. Yeah. We were in these little tribal groups for most of the time that we were humans. For thousands of years we lived like that. Until they figured out transportation.

Until they figured out how to ride animals. Until they figured out how to branch out. Until they figured out boats. ride animals, until they figured out how to branch out. We were, that's, until they figured out boats. That's how humans lived. That's how we developed into humans. But you don't want it. That's how we survived. You don't want to be president.

No, but it's instilled in the DNA. You're a logical person. But I would imagine if you weren't, and if it was also instilled upon you as a small child, that that's the best job in the world and you can't sing and you can't dance and you're not good at writing books, you can be the fucking president.

Like, do you fit the right criteria? Are you trustworthy? Can you speak in a way? You don't even have to be extraordinary in your accomplishments as an intellectual, as an artist, as anything. All you have to do is be this person that talks and a lot of them are lawyers right right and they learn how to talk in a certain way and they're convincing enough and they

got enough people to cover up their dirty secrets that they can get into a position of extreme power and the only way out of that is people realizing how dumb that is and people not wanting to do it anymore and you get a smaller and smaller group of people that are running and a less and less interesting and charismatic group of people that are running because nobody wants that fucking eye of sauron on you nobody wants that microscope and your fucking your your life and all of your details of it and you want to be the president of what you out of your fucking your your life and all of your details of it and you want to be the president of what you out of your fucking mind yeah you don't want that you don't want that so the only people that do want that are the people that are like so deeply

entrenched in that game and we're seeing like with biden and with trump it's people that have been around a long time with trump maybe not politics but around politics a long time. And with Biden in politics forever, they're like wrapped up in that system. And if you're a fucking motocross rider, you want to be the guy who wins the race. It's a fucking game. It's your whole day, all day, 12 hours a fucking day. That's your, you want to get what you put in that bill through. You want to talk to your constituents. You want to push your narrative. You want to do this. You want to get what you put in that bill through you want to talk to your constituents you want to push your narrative you want to do this you want to do it's a winner of death and destruction death and disease illness and death that that this is like you're you're guiding the zeitgeist

of the population fuck that isn't Isn't that wild? Horrible. Wild. Annoying. And real. But that's real. That's really actually happening. That's really actually happening. Ugh.

It's just so fucked up, man. It would be so cool if we just evolved to the point where at some point nobody wants to be president. Like, no one will run? What would they do then? What if everybody was just like, nah, we're not interested in the job? The problem is there's always going to be militaries. There's always going to be people that are in charge of the militaries.

If you're in charge of the biggest military and you have the biggest might, you have a real significant advantage over everybody else that's talking shit and trying to do things. And maybe you're interfering in these countries. And maybe you're fucking finagling behind the scenes and, you know, sowing the seeds of resentment and hate around the world because of your policies. And maybe that's actually happening. And maybe you don't want to lose that power.

Also, maybe you just – like, probably by being in the government you get security clearance once you get the security clearance You start seeing what's really going on. Oh once you start seeing what's really going on You probably stop talking shit as much as we Oh I get it now Where's the counter argument the counter argument is you need that because there's so much fucked up shit going on in the world. And if we didn't do that, it would be way worse for us. That's the counter argument. And there's a lot of arguments against the counter argument because there's a lot of money involved.

There's a lot of defense spending. The defense spending is crazy numbers. So much money. It's more than a trillion dollars a year or something like that. It's so much money. So much money. So you got to think about there's a lot of business. That's the Eisenhower speech where he's talking about the military industrial complex.

There's a lot of business attached to that too. But there's also the argument that you need it. So it's like the argument is not hippie utopia. Let's look at the world through rose-colored glasses. The argument is like how much are we contributing to the problems of the world and how much are we fixing them? how much are we contributing to the problems of the world and how much are we fixing them? And if the government is not good at anything, there's not one thing where they're like,

they fucking nailed that. Nailed it. There's not one thing. Hold on, wait, I'll think of something. There's got to be something. Post office is probably the best thing they've ever done. Post office. Post office is pretty fucking incredible.

People shit on the post office. It's the only way you're allowed to transport live chicks. So if you want to raise chickens, you get live chicks. You have to get them transported by the post office it's the only way you're allowed to transport live chicks so if you want to raise chickens you get live chicks you have to get them transported by the post office no way yeah they know how to do it the post so we got the post office there's got to be something else libraries libraries yeah they do a pretty good job with library of congress because people that are involved in libraries are dedicated to giving people books because they know how valuable information is that's the purest example of like wanting to help people vietnam vietnam went just perfectly that was a really that war made that was a good one we learned a lot

we learned a lot yeah we learned a lot from vietnam was it perfect? No. But yeah, when you look at the bigger picture, the many, many mistakes that have happened. It is curious to me, though. We do live in a time now where it seems like there's almost a pro- People don't want you to say, maybe we shouldn't go to war. You know what I mean? Like if you start saying that, you get aligned with one side or the other. Well, the thing is Russia invaded Ukraine.

Russia, they connected Trump. Trump is bad. Trump colluded Russia. That was a narrative for so long, right? So whether you believe it or not, whether it's been refuted or not, I think mostly it has. But at the end of the day, they really were successful in connecting Trump to Russia. Like there's like, this is a feeling you get when you feel about Russia. You're an anti-Trump guy. And then Russia invades Ukraine.

Okay. This is a horrible act of war. Clearly there's one party that has escalated this to the point of violence and it should be, yeah, it's the worst thing that could ever happen in the world. When a neighboring country invades a neighboring country. Fucking Jesus Christ, the world has to sit back and watch this. Horrible. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. So everybody is like pushing to arm Ukraine. And I don't see a lot of people clamoring for some sort of a peace agreement or at least conversations about it. I know they've had some conversations.

Zelensky, he wants like Putin to resign. You know, like, have you ever seen that? Like that he wants Putin to step down. Like that's one of the things. Didn't he say that? He said he would talk to Russia, but he wouldn't talk to the president of Russia or something like that. He definitely wants him to step down. He wants him to step down.

It's like the like, you know, I don't be saying that. Is that the only thing that will accept? Is that what he said? The best analysis of it I saw was on Russian state TV, where the some of the people on Russian state TV are starting to say, wait a minute. And this guy was like, look, you have Ukraine is we're not, I don't remember the words he used. Well, I don't speak Russian. They were translating it, but he's essentially saying like, look, you're not, you're not, they, he was saying, these are the people, these are Russians.

They survived this or that. I can't remember the exact thing they're talking about the siege of, I don't remember what it's called. I'm sorry, man. I'm terrible at history. But he's like, these are Russians. They survived all this. You're not going to starve them out. You're not going to freeze them out. They're not backing down.

You don't have their minds. You're not going to get them to surrender. So where's the out? The idea was quick invasion. They're going to surrender right away. They're going to surrender right away. And then he's going to take a chunk of Ukraine and then everything ends. But it sucks because still, whatever.

But it's not working. So even there's no way to say, all right, well, let's concede the Donbass or whatever to Russia. Because Ukraine is like, fuck that. We're taking Crimea back. We're taking all of it back because they're starting to win and they're winning because the largest military on earth has been giving them god knows what we only god knows what like what kind of data they're getting from like satellites we don't even know or Russia's threatening to shoot down satellites now well that's why. Because like the I'm sure we're giving the giving them like hardcore data about everything. So it's like, man, this is what's so scary about it, isn't it? It's like, where is the concession that has to happen for a war to end? Where's the thing where

Russia where Putin can like successfully withdraw the troops? And why isn't this the conversation that you're seeing amongst most people online? Shouldn't most people online be saying that instead of just blindly supporting one side or the other? Shouldn't they be going, we got to stop this in its fucking tracks well yeah the the what i feel like what should be happening is a massive public like demand for there to be talks between everybody like to like in russia they should be like fucking talk to zielinski here we should be like fucking biden talk to fucking putin you know not just about what's her name uh britney griner not just about her but let's let's as grotesque as it might be to sit down and try to negotiate with

people who thought it was a good idea to just fucking invade another country and kill a bunch of people it's preferable to nuclear holocaust yes so let's just fucking it's gross no one wants to do it like you know that that whole thing there was a period i don't know if you did that but for a while you start like watching like documentaries on putin and you catch that weird aspect of when you're like there's something kind of cool about him right there was like this weird cool thing that's gone we all think he's a fucking like tyrann asshole. Fuck him. We get it. Nobody likes him. He's horrible. He killed countless kids and his own soldiers.

He's fucking awful. But we need a solution to this that doesn't end in a nuclear holocaust or something worse. Those motherfuckers have smallpox, too. They don't just have nuclear weapons. They've got all kinds of shit over there that you know lots of stuff just like we do so god damn man i mean i feel like such a stupid hippie because it's like i don't know anything i've i'm sure if i was a ukrainian and my children had been blown up i would be like yeah let the fucking nuclear bomb come because i don't have anything else to live for i don't give a fuck let's destroy them let's kill them that's what war is you get no froth like so it's like and

even saying like god i wish they could talk who am i to fucking say i live in a uh in fucking austin yeah you know i ride one of those petty cabs around sometimes for music festivals i don't know what the smell of burning show i don't never smelled burning children the people there fucking have right now at the same time you're here in austin that's happening yes that's what's insane about the fucking horrible but it's like how do you how do you how do you get like logic or or like human reasoning to appear in the most illogical unreasonable thing which is fucking war right how do you get into a how do you summon the spirit of rationality in a in in a place where uh people for just for like living had their children's playground blown blown up people

had to watch people were at a playground and fucking russia shot missiles into it how do you fucking make that work after that you don't you don't and then it's like okay well we're gonna stop giving them weapons because we don't want there to be a nuclear holocaust so it's like really you don't want to push back against this massive empire that just decided to encroach upon another country you think they're gonna stop are they going to stop? I don't know the solution, man. What's the fucking solution? You know, it's like we need our presidents to have that thing that the chess dude had up his ass.

You know, something that's vibrating. From aliens. Yeah, from aliens. They give us all the data. Now, the most hopeful version for me of this alien thing is that they're monitoring all this. And they realize there's a point in civilization, just like there's a point in the evolution of every... Anything that's competitive, right? It's like they're trying to succeed and squash out all the things that are against them.

And if they have the capability of literally destroying thousands of people, and they do it on a regular basis. So thousands of people is pretty normal, right? Thousands of people in Ukraine is thousands of people are dead, right? How many people have been killed by drones, all told? It's got to be a thousand, right? Way over there. Let's take a guess.

How many people do you think have been ever killed by drones in warfare oh my god what do you think it is it's gotta be like it's gotta be over a hundred thousand people right i'm gonna guess yeah i going to guess like 80,000 people. How many people have been killed by drones ever? I'm just guessing. I have no idea what it would be. What is it? Hold on.

I'm trying to find the answer. It's mixing a bunch of stuff together at once. Oh, you want to read it? I said, oh, shit. Well, no, no, I'm just on Google when I said it's like military how many people have to ask the US military killed in general oh my drone oh I googled drones well how about just a number of deaths by drone per year I got a counting drone drone death strikes

they haven't bothered to add it. It says the estimates are incomplete. They're like, whatever, whatever. I'm patient to that. Do you ever see that art installation that, like, any time a drone strike happened, it, like, lit a match? It would sit there, and then it somehow was connected to, like, whatever that is.

So, like, whenever there's a drone strike, a match or something would light, and it would just drop it on the ground. Or it would, like, burn a piece of paper, just drop it on the ground. The scariest thing about the drones is the number of people that are innocent that get killed. U.S. airstrikes killed at least 22,000 civilians since 9-11. Way lower than we thought. Way lower.

Figures based on reported numbers of U.S. airstrikes highlight the human cost of the 20-year war on terror. So, but that's airstrikes highlight the human cost of the 20-year war on terror. But that's airstrikes. That could be missiles launched out of jets, right? Couldn't it be other things other than just drones? I mean, way more people are dying from fentanyl than drones. U.S. drone and airstrikes. So it's combined. That's what it is.

It's both of those things. So drone and airstrikes, Perhaps as many as 48,000. Wow. That's a lot of people. So they've killed at least 22,000 and perhaps as many as 48,000 since the 9-11 terror attacks. The analysis based on U.S. military's own assertion is that it has conducted almost 100,000 airstrikes since 2001. Holy shit, dude. Represents an attempt to estimate the number of civilian deaths across the multiple conflicts

that have comprised aspects of the war on terror. Holy shit, dude. I want you to just think about 100,000 airstrikes. Imagine watching that video. It would be a long video. That's a long video. Wow. Super sad.

Potentially as high as 48,308 civilians killed. The number is nuts too. It's like mostly the wrong people. Man, I don't know. I just really hope that like somehow, by some fucking miracle, somehow, somehow, like just like it's to me, it's really it's caught me, man. Like the war has caught me. I look at it every night. I'm always like checking it out because, you i got kids now it's terrifying for everybody for loved ones for society as we know

it it's terrifying for everything about everything about life and it's like like it's what's really i think the most like the thing that freaks me out the most is like truly all, all that has to happen is one dude has to go, you know what? I fucked up. Y'all you're probably my, you're going to kill me or I'm going to get arrested. I fucked up and just bring all the troops out and it's done. Like that's it.

That's the thing. That's like, so I don't think it's that easy, man. You don't think Putin, you don't think some balances in place. Putin, I think could just be like,

let's I fucked up. Yeah. I don't think he don't think some balances in place putin i think could just be like let's i fucked up yeah i don't think he's ever gonna say that i don't think you can say that when you want to be running a strong country like russia i literally don't think that's like in the way they ever communicate well i know unfortunately but i know but it's weird right like yeah it is weird but it's almost like you're asking him to blow guys on tv like it's not gonna happen you know it's like he's he's such a old school leader in the weirdest sense of like the appealing to that one alpha that runs the tribe he's so old school in that regard it's like a figure of history right the man that controls this entire country that's a common figure in

history and that's what he is now and And we just forget that that's how humans are kind of hardwired. And I really, I mean, obviously, I'm not an anthropologist, but I would assume that that has something to do with the way we developed in tribes and that we can't get away from it with that guy. We can't get away with the Trump lovers, with everything. Everybody wants some person that's our solution to all those things. Carrie Lake's going to take us home. You know, everybody's got this thing in their head that they think is going to be our solution to all those things. Carrie Lake's going to take us home. You know,

everybody's got this thing in their head that they think is going to be the solution to all the problems. And I'm not saying that those people aren't individual solutions to problems that are happening locally around. Yeah, I think they are. And I think that's maybe that makes sense even more than a president. But at the end of the day, when all said and done,

it's fucking strange. It's fucking strange that there's all this unnecessary conflict that's consistently going on all around us and we don't question it we don't go like what what kind of nonsense world are we living in we don't have much time kids we should be a lot nicer to each other it's not that hard right yeah man i mean i that it like it it all goes back to that it's like all right well get off i'm talking to myself here this is by the way i've here's my shit here's my shitty spiritual advice this is what i've discovered i'm telling you man it's changing my

life anytime instead of the old days when i'd blither and blather and earbeat people with some spiritual fucking advice for their lives anytime i'm about to do that i don't and i apply it to myself so it's like if i'm about to like suggest to someone that maybe exercise is going to make them feel better i exercise or if i'm like right right you know what maybe maybe you should meditate that's when i meditate instead of saying it i just start applying it to myself. Holy shit, man. It's really fucking good advice for me. You're taking your own advice.

For me. Luckily. Not for anyone because it's easier to get someone else to exercise than to get you to exercise and meditate. So it's like what I'm doing right now, and I'm not recommending this for anybody else, is I'm just trying to calm the fuck down. Just calm down.

Stop getting so fucking frustrated. Stop being like wobbly or like unstable. Try to maintain stability in an honest way around my family and friends for as much as I can. That's why I quit drinking. And it's working wonders it's working wonders so it's like you know with this stuff it's so frustrating because it's like what the fuck are we gonna do that what i guarantee putin putin isn't gonna listen to this podcast and be like you know what maybe instead of the war i will start blowing dudes on TV. That's not going to happen.

You're right. But it's like, yeah, so that's frustrating. There's a very limited realm of control we have out there. So it's like, all right, what do you have control over? What do you have control over? And it's like that thing you were talking about when we went out to eat. You're like, you got to put that monster in a box. That thing.

Whatever your particular monster may be, figure out a way put that monster in a box. Yeah, I think whatever your particular monster Maybe figure out a way and keep it in the box Eventually you can actually melt it down like it doesn't even have to be a monster anymore. They say that you could actually over time you the Thing becomes less and less and less and less of a monster. We were talking about mental illness It applies to obsessing on things. Yeah. Which is why we can't fuck with video games. That's what the monster was for us.

That monster is this desire to get immersed in things. And it's very, it's fucking creepy. It takes people, like gamblers, they're possessed by demons. Like hardcore gamblers. Did you see Uncut Gems?

No. It's amazing. It's an Adam Sandler movie. I watched it. It's not a comedy at all. It's a fucking great movie. It's probably one of the best movies about gambling, if not the best ever made. It's really good. It'll give you anxiety.

You'll be like, oh my God, Jesus fucking Christ. When you're watching this movie, you're like, oh my God. It's all about a gambling junkie. Adam Sandler plays it perfectly. And the movie is all about these rushes that these people get from gambling, and it just takes over every aspect of their life. Just like a fucking video game. Just like anything else, man.

Things can take over your life. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. So it's like learning that and where you've been taken over and then seeing if you can lessen your addiction to whatever the thing may be. Yeah. And not like. Manage it.

Manage it. Manage it. First, just recognize it. That's the first trick. Recognize. I don't mean addiction to booze or whatever. I mean, literally like, you know, like how there's a, you know, that thing like someone's got a difficult personality. Yes.

And they hurt people a lot. But instead of recognizing, oh, shit, I've got a difficult personality and I'm hurting people a lot. They're like, that's who I am. I'm that person who does the crazy thing all the time. That's just me. It's like, don't be that person recognize like you can't you should stop hurting people right like it's not and i i speak as someone who who like a lot would rationalize really bad traits is like you know man that's

what i'm like and it's like no it doesn't have that i don't need to be that way i don't need to be like a shit talker a gossip i don't need to be someone who's like always mad at some certain person i definitely don't need to be a person who like is passive aggressive or punishes people with anger or you know what i mean i don't have to be that way of course you know what i mean like i don't have to be that way all i have to do is start blowing dudes on fucking tv it's like it's funny though that you said that because it like get the vision like stuck in my head it was weird but you know what i mean man it's like that that that's all we have control over is like look at your own crazy fucking tyrant being right like look at your own monstrous thing that you've been

pretending that's just me man that's what i'm like that's me and play around the idea maybe that's not you maybe that's just something you're addicted to being and you could actually stop being that way not and it's not easy i'm not saying it's easy habits are really hard to break man this is one of the real problems that psychedelics being outlawed right is that people aren't allowed to have these sort of transcendent moments in those psychedelic experiences because some people truly can't handle it some people it's not for them that That's absolutely true. I agree. But for a lot of people it is. And you can't say it doesn't benefit a lot of people. And I know so many fucking people who have benefited from it, including me. And to deny that to people, to deny that, keep that from people, I think is a real travesty in our cultural development. Our development as a community. It would help us develop as a community if people had some experience with regenerating their view of the world. Yes.

And that could be available to everybody, but it's being withheld from you by people who haven't experienced it. Right. It makes no fucking sense. So weird. The people that are trying to keep you from doing mushrooms for sure aren't doing mushrooms because if they were they would realize that the thing to do would be to spread these to everybody and to give people the chance to recognize that maybe they're under the the hypnotism the maybe they're under the spell of a certain frequency that's not the only way to live

you can live in a different frequency you. You can establish a different frequency amongst the people you love. You can establish a different frequency with yourself. It's possible. And to deny that from people just because you're afraid of it or because of propaganda, it's very anti-science. Because there's a lot of science that points to it, helping people with all sorts of things. End-of-life crises. That's a giant one with people that have taken psilocybin. It's allowed them to really relax and think about existence and look at it in a completely different way. And I don't think that's available through

just someone sitting next to you and asking you questions and having a counseling session. I'm sure that's great. I'm sure that that counseling of end of life is great You know, it's better five grams of mushrooms. That's way better. Yeah, and it's it's not gonna kill you It's not I mean if especially if we figure out a way to grow it legally where it's shit gets inspected It's gonna be good for you, dude I bet five grams of mushrooms is more intense than death like whatever that experience is his pride Makes like when you're dying when you're actually dying you're like fuck man is more intense than death. Like whatever that experience is, is probably makes, like when you're dying,

when you're actually dying, you're like, fuck man, this is like so much nicer than that time I took five grams of mushrooms. Or maybe it's the same thing. Maybe it's the same thing. That's the DMT feeling, right? Don't you get that feeling?

Like that's the next door. Yeah. That's like you open up the door and you're like, oh, this is life. Yes. I mean, that is, I mean, I think that's what's really going on here. It's like what happens is you get all constrict, you know, like when you're a kid and you tie a rubber band around your finger. Yeah.

You've done that, except it's not your finger. It's some appendage connecting you to infinity. And you've figured out a way via like your beliefs and habits to tie a tourniquet around that. And it sucks. Remember, it was cool when you were in school. You'd watch your finger turn purple and you'd be like, whoa, look at that. That's crazy. Look how it's going blue.

It's like when you see a significant asshole, that's really what you're looking at. You're just looking at someone who's really tight in the fucking tourniquet between them and infinity. Right. To the point where they're just like filling up with their own ego and like the shit of this world they get really puffed and mean and cruel and defensive and scared because why wouldn't you be scared you're you think you're a balloon what's more vulnerable than a fucking balloon you know you see the your balloon looks like your, but really it's just a balloon. It's like a balloon that's definitely

going to run out of air eventually. But luckily you're more than the balloon. But if you think you're just the fucking balloon, you're going to freak the fuck out. Like, anyway, there might be a way to, psychedelics, meditation, whatever the fuck it is, to sort of realize,

oh no, I'm much more than this little thing that is currently parading around with my name much more than that and then you then you really calm down like that's when you're really going to calm down because it's not quite the same anymore and then when you just that little bit of calming down it's going to make other people around you calm down. I'm telling you, man, the conversation should be should not doesn't have to be around politics. It should be eventually around politics because that's what shapes laws and everything like that. But it needs to start with this fundamental truth, which is humans can suffer less. You as an individual don't have to suffer as much as you're suffering. There's ways for you to reduce your suffering in a real way that don't involve fentanyl,

doesn't involve opioids, doesn't involve the nitrous hit of power or winning at gambling. There's an actual way that you can like uh well you know one of the words for uh enlightenment and buddhism translates to extinguish blow out the candle so it's like permanently blow out the candle of your suffering there's a way to do it you can actually do it in this life that's exciting to me because it's not just a larp it's not warping like all the mystics of the world and whatever religion they're in they're not larping they're not playing a role-playing game they're actually like many people have figured out a way not to suffer as much and and that's exciting to me man that's fucking cool we as human beings can do that that transcends culture

it transcends countries it It transcends language. It's, you know what I mean? It's like we, it's like the way fish can swim. We can reduce suffering in our own lives. I mean, it's harder for animals can't do that. You know what I mean? A squirrel is going to fucking squirrel. A squirrel is going to fucking squirrel.

Yeah, man. A squirrel is going to squirrel. But a human, a human can like, doesn't have to be, act like a squirrel. You know, some humans act like squirrels. They're always hiding their fucking nuts. They're like, they're running, they're fucking scared. You don't have to be like that. Right.

That's exciting to me. And that definitely has nothing to do with politics. It's something that connects all of us. Like the most profound asshole you've ever met in your life is suffering. You could be certain of that. Certain. Certain that they're in hell. They're in fucking hell.

Yeah. That's why they're assholes. That's why they're assholes. Yeah. When people are having a great time and life is beautiful, you want everyone around you to feel good. It's the suffering. And then the pattern that you were talking about earlier is really important. That people get addicted to behaving that way because that's the pattern that they know.

That they've become accustomed to that. It's the roller coaster of life. Up and down. Up and down. Up and down. Up and down. And drinking and driving and gambling your fortune away. It's all distractions.

It's all of it. It's all just the great distraction. Dude, I watched you become increasingly stable. It's the wildest thing to watch. I watched you go through a weird, I don't know what, but I just watched you go through all these things. Not that when we met you were already pretty calm and cool cool but not quite as calm and cool as you are now like you started like it was weird watching it happen like you found a way i still get upset sometimes unfortunately me too i always feel bad after i got upset but but i'm way more calm and way more rational about who i am now

than i than i used to be. Yeah, it's great. And it radiates out. That's the thing. It's like, you know, it radiates out. That's the main thing. It's contagious. It's like it's the one antivirus that we actually have. Isn't that, you know, like...

Being nice. Yeah, and having a bunch of people around you that feel good. Everyone having a good time. That's what real community is supposed to be about right all of us together everybody that's what it's supposed to be about that was the dream that was the dream that was the idea but i think for everybody it's like and you too like we all do work on ourself right so as you're getting older and experiences you have that are negative you learn from them and positive you enforce those and you just you learn to get better at being you, you know?

Yeah. And the thing about podcasts is you're forced to be you in front of the fucking world. Oh, God. And you're on marijuana. Oh, marijuana. Oh, yeah, and you forget you're on marijuana. Yeah, you forget you're under the spell of an ancient plant that has manipulated creativity for thousands and thousands of years and is also illegal, which is the dumbest fucking thing on earth.

That's the dumbest one because it's legal in so many places now, but it's still federally illegal. You know how many people Biden released? Pretty amazing, right? When they said that he was going to release all the people that were in federal prison for marijuana possession. How many people? There's zero. What? Because there's no one in federal prison for marijuana possession.

They're all growers. They're all dealers. They're all people who are doing other shit and also marijuana possession. I fell for it hook, line, and sneaker. I was so excited. Me too. I posted it. I responded to it i like posted

an applause meme under his tweet then it was effective propaganda god damn it man i just i can't even imagine how many things i've been here it is uh last week president joe biden announced the largest act of clemency in a generation a mass pardon for people convicted of federal marijuana possession as far as bold acts of mass demency clemency go duh it won't lead to many people getting out of prison in fact it will lead to none zero people but okay let me let me just say this let me speak in defense of it here's the thing no I don't mean I'm saying like I'm thinking of like my friends who are like marijuana activists. I know you have them, too.

Yes. Or even psychedelic advocates. When shit just gets on the ballot, they celebrate because they're like, OK, we got it on the ballot. Right. So I think there is something that's exciting, even though that's sad. me earlier and just showed there's something really fucking cool that the president has finally at least talking about admitted that like this bullshit people are going to jail for possession of marijuana now obviously there is political reasons for that and there's all kinds of other dark stuff wrapped up in it but long term good sign long term good

sign right we just want progress quicker we want progress and we want it quicker. But that's progress. And a lot of people, a lot of people dedicated their lives to getting just that far with it. So I think there's something to be said for it. I get it, man. Nothing happens. It influences the cultural narrative. It influences the cultural narrative. And it could potentially cause a shift in views around like marijuana consumption long term and then but you know yeah it's dark the real that no one's actually getting out that it was just a fucking.

It's a ruse. A ruse that I fell for Joe I fell for it. So many ruses and Twitter will now fact check those ruses. Which is hilarious. Which is fucking important. The people that don't want that. Come on, kids. You've been wanting fact checks for so long.

Every time someone brings up the, you know, whether it's the election theft or this or that, like everybody, come on. Fact checks are probably good if the president's not telling the truth and it's really easy to find the real data. Probably that's good, kids. good if the president's not telling the truth and it's really easy to find the real data probably that's good kids listen i'm fine with like universal non-biased fact checking in fact i would like that for myself like it would be i want to know what i'm saying that's like i would love it imagine sure if you could scan yourself oh my god for like how much of your like ideas of what's real is bullshit oh my god oh my god i would that would be a scary scan and it would probably hurt when you're like oh god i'm 100 like it's all bullshit or 99 but long term that would be a really good thing for

you like i i'm for i don't have anything against like this is probably not real because it helps me as someone who gets sucked into everything like i go on reddit conspiracy and it's like i don't like you know what i mean i'll go to bed being like maybe there are deep underground military bunkers all across the united states phil it's got a weird like predatory alien that lives in pits that the janitors fall into. Like, I wake up being like, I don't really believe that. But I'm just saying. I did recently. I went down a rabbit hole.

Deep underground military bunkers? No, it wasn't a military one. It was a pedophile ring one. Pizzagate? It was one of those. Not necessarily that one, but a prominent one. We'll talk later. Dude, that one freaked me out.

Those freaked me out. Holy fucking shit, man. They freaked me out because there's so much in those emails and things that were trans... Listen, anyone who is a fan of drugs knows what it's like when you send your your shitty coded text to your friend to your friends about drugs you don't have you you know let me be real clear i'm not saying pizza gates room nor am i and i'm absolutely not saying there's a fucking dungeon in that pizza place that crazy dude went and shot and i'm not saying the clinton's are responsible for any murders what else are we not saying what we're just we're just saying that that is one of, there was another case that happened in the 1980s or something.

There's been a few of those weird cases. You got to think that throughout history, there have been people that have trafficked children. Oh my God. When you take any long trip, you ever think about that? Yeah, you got to be careful. Any long trip that you take, how many fucking u-hauls going by have people locked up in them probably like statistically one or two probably like you've been at a rest stop next to a fucking u-haul that was filled with drugged people waiting it to get taken to some god knows where lab i mean it's a don't they say human trafficking is like the number one one of the number one industries in the world?

Human trafficking is real and it's happening right now. And there's been studies on it where they try to figure out what the numbers are. But how do you know who's been trafficked if they're missing? And I wonder what the actual number is. But apparently it's a terrifying number. And that's happening right now. Like people are snatching people.

People, there's more slaves today than there were when slavery was legal. That's not true. Yes. There's more slaves in the world today than there were when slavery was legal in America. Obviously there's more people. Fucking creepy. Obviously, there's more people. But this idea that slavery went away when they abolished slavery in 1865, that's not really true.

It's only true here. Jesus fucking Christ, Joe. Yeah. Man, I've got like 10 more minutes. I've got to go do Halloween with my kids. I don't want to end on human trafficking. But it's kind of a part of what we're talking about like that someone could be that it could be possibly in their fucking

wheelhouse to do that to another person right right there's people that are that predatory out there that are that fucked up that are that fucked up that there's levels to fucked up just like there's levels to everything look man i mean oh god it's just we especially people like us look i'm gonna i've said it before on this podcast i'm quoting jack cornfield here tend to the part of the garden you can touch yeah that's what you can do like whatever most effective thing you can do that's it as far as like the other stuff goes it's like if you can help if you're if you're a human trafficker right now listening to this driving your fucking you all across the country filled with freight that you're gonna make stop pull over let him out just stop obviously no one's gonna do that but most people it's like you're not having

to deal with that you're really just having to deal with the fact that when you wake up in a bad mood, you think it makes sense for the rest of the day to be a dick to other people just because you feel like you're in a bad mood. You don't have to do that. It sounds so dumb, so dumb, so obvious. But really, that is kind of the – I heard the Dalai Lama say it. Do – this is what he said. If you can help, help.

If you can't help, don't hurt. That's the EMC squared of it all. It's like, that's it. That's what it all boils down to. Look, maybe you're not in a position right now where you can help anybody, but for sure, you don't have to say the shitty thing you were about to say to somebody because you're mad. That you could stop.

Like you could stop that. And that's a big deal, man. Like if you're someone who's been like saying mean things to people your whole life. You know, they say, and I read this thing in a yogi's life for a yogi. The greatest moment is when they were going to react with anger and they didn't that's a huge moment man that's a huge moment when you manage to like rein in that fucking thing just once is a big deal but you know if you keep doing it that's when you start multi traveling through the multiverse because everything around you gets completely different quick you know it's just that one little thing i speak as like a someone who's had real

anger shit and like as do i yeah yeah it's a it's a thing you know that i constantly struggle with it's uh you know you get upset about things and you have to keep them under control and it's hard to like it's hard to have a balanced perspective you know it And it's hard to like, it's hard to have a balanced perspective. You know, it's hard when someone cuts you off in traffic to just let it go and not say, fuck you. You know, it's like he can't even hear you. And you're still like, fuck you, man. That was such a douche move. But you're not going to change him.

No. Like that's who he is at this moment. And he's cutting people off on the highway and you just got to adjust and adapt and don't get into one of those fucking things where people break check each other and get in front of each other it's so scary man you ever see people doing that on the highway and you're like oh my god what are you doing don't fucking do that it's so don't do it it's so scary like you kill a bunch of people oh my god people i've seen so many videos of people doing that swerving into another lane and then the cars flip onto other cars yeah fuck man yeah there was a fucking one in florida recently these guys started doing that to each other and they shot

each other they shot each other's daughters dude they just like randomly shot into the car and there was a fucking passenger that was a young girl in both cars did they kill him no i think they they both live but one of them is hit real bad and she was in fucking passenger that was a young girl in both cars. Did they kill him? No, I think they both lived, but one of them is hit real bad and she was in critical condition with a collapsed lung. See, that's it. It's crazy, dude.

That's it. So see what happened there? What happened is those people, because they didn't get a hold of the fucking dragon, because of it, most of the time they got away with it. Obviously, whoever those people are, that's not the first time they got angry. They're rageaholics. They're always mad. They were getting mad of the time they got away with it those obviously whoever those people are that's not the first time they got Angry they're rageaholics. They're always mad. They were getting mad all the time all the signs were there and nobody likes it

Like you know whenever I've been caught up in that it's fucking scary It's like dying like you become something else for a second It's you become an animal and you know why it happens on the highway Why because people are so ramped up because it's dangerous. So you're going so fast, you have to have your senses on high. And then any little thing that comes along, you're already at a seven. Right.

That's what it is, man. That's what it is. That's what it is. Motherfucker! Yeah, because you're already ramped up. Because even though you're being calm, you're driving, you're on alert. So when you're on alert, it's a predatory thing

It's a thing that's like it's wired into our DNA to like if you're on alert You're worried about something that's gonna attack you you worried about something coming out. You're ready, right? You have to say yeah So it's we're not designed to drive fucking cars 65 miles an hour next to other cars and everyone's just choosing when they change lanes The amount of freedom you have when you're behind a wheel to be an asshole is extraordinary. Dude, you got it. And this is what the fucking internet is doing. It's making us all feel like we're driving on the fucking highway all day long. Yes, exactly.

That's what it is. That's it. That's what it is. We're ramped up. That's what it is. It hates all day long. We're not even on the highway. We're walking around our backyard

we're like all fucking contorted and cut each other off yeah just fucking piss cutting trees off you're just like you know we're we're all like wrapped up when like things are just fine most of the time most of the time like yeah of the time, like in the moment right now, right now. No problem. Yeah. In the moment, most of the time. No problem. Everything's fine.

Something's looming for sure. Problems will come. But in this moment, everything's OK. That's interesting. Right. Because you realize, like, oh, my God, why do I feel so scared? Mm-hmm? Why don't why do I feel so stressed out when right now in this moment? Pretty good in this moment pretty good. Yeah

It's uh It's a strange thing the management of the mind as you move through life and also the management of all the other shit around you what you consume how much you freak out about ukraine how much you freak out about dirty bombs how much you freak out about fentanyl how much you freak out about everything how much you freak out about every fucking social issue that ever comes up whether it's the environment or you know pronouns who the fuck knows there's just a constant stream of shit that we're not used to just like we're not used to driving fast on the highway tame your mind shanti deva's way of the bodhisattva says the mind is like a wild elephant think about that dude

that's fucking that's a crazy thing you ever see a wild elephant like charging somebody? That's your mind. But what's cool about that is that that's a powerful thing. It is a powerful thing. And being able to have more control over it is a great feeling because it makes you feel like you can do a lot of different stuff on top of that. feeling because it makes you feel like you can do a lot of different stuff on top of that if you can like as i've matured and gotten better at managing my own brain i've also become much more productive right because i don't have as much bullshit to weigh me down you know and i think that if you're running through life making the same mistakes over and over again whenever i'm doing that that's when

i'm the most unproductive. Absolutely. Because I'm just like, what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing with my life? Why do I keep screwing up? You're always doing cleanup. Yeah, you're always doing cleanup. You're like someone who's like a cleanup crew for your own fucking destruction. Like you're like always following your past around, past decisions around cleaning up broken glass and old fucking fucking bits of concrete from the last crater you put in your life.

It's like, man, it's exhausting. It's exhausting. A lot of work. It's a lot of work. And that's, you know, again, we go back to the human mind doesn't come with an operator manual. It's one of the most complex things that anybody could ever use. And it doesn't come with directions. And you learn from the people that are around you. And it's hard to unlearn shit that's stupid. But I think as chaotic as this time is, it's the most promising. Because it's

the most interesting in terms of the way ideas get assaulted and reworked and thought up and debated. And even though there's suppression of information, there's definitely suppression of free speech in certain platforms. There's still more exchange of thoughts than like ever in a tumultuous way where people just want it to end. They want one side to be right. The other side, our side's right. Fuck you. Fuck you about fentanyl. Fuck you about the border.

Fuck you about it. You're on the wrong side of history and fucking Roe v wade everybody's just nuts with it man just fucking nuts with it and that's what we see around us all the time and we imitate our atmosphere that's it and the atmosphere imitates us and the atmosphere and we are the atmosphere it's reflective we we are the climate that's it dude yeah yeah and you could be like truly it's like you know what the one thing that i don't think anyone's gonna get mad at you for it put on any side of the political spectrum is if you stop hurting people like truly that's from like that is like that's it so it's just a little less aggression

you can even still hurt people just hurt them less you can't stop hurting people just hurt them less you can do that even if that person is yourself I turn this on myself I'm talking to myself right now

all y'all are I'm sure a million times more stable and calm than I am. But Joe, I got to go. I got to go trick or treat with the kiddies. Duncan, you're the fucking man. You're the man. I love you to death. I love you.

I always love doing these. I got a lot out of this one. This is a good one. Me too, Joe. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on, man.

Happy Halloween. Bye, buddy. Thank you.