The Joe Rogan Experience - #1894 - Suzanne Santo

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

Suzanne Santo is an actress, model, and singer-songwriter.  "Yard Sale," her most recent album, is available now. www.suzannesanto.com

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's happening good to see you my friend oh it's good to see you you look lovely oh thanks you look invigorated thank you

well I went to the gym and, you know, been eating well. I don't know. Trying to take care of the vessel. Yesterday was my first day that I didn't work out for a whole month because we did that Sober October thing. Yeah. Worked out every day of the week. So do you, is that not your usual, your norm? Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October to just like get my body conditioned.

Right. To this idea that we're going at it every day do you uh and you guys have like a contest of like who burns the most calories or something we can't have a contest because we just get too stupid because Burt drives me crazy and then I go psycho okay so we've decided no more contests because we did a contest that one year and we went we went insane I was doing cardio like seven hours a day. Oh, my God. Yeah, because it was a contest. How did you do it? And you did a podcast and you have a family.

Yeah. I would just get up in the morning and bang out seven hours of cardio. What time do you get up? Then I was getting up at like seven. So it was seven and I was just going straight. I'd just have some caffeine and go straight to the gym. That's impressive. But it was psychotic.

We were just in competition with each other. It was totally unsustainable. I don't have that edge of, like, I mean, I can power through some stuff. Like, I was actually working on it for a little bit, and I liked it. But after, like, the two-hour workout and and then like we didn't stretch you know and then I'd like go home and stretch and I was like I just didn't have that much time in my day yeah to dedicate to it but like it's impressive that you can just power through your discomfort if like if you don't want to go you still go right yeah i'm not good at that no no that's

the key i know the key is to like not have a way out and one of the things about this contest thing or well this uh sober october thing wasn't a contest but we had to do a 500 calorie workout every day so you had to burn 500 calories which is if you do sprints on the airdyne machine it takes about 45 minutes to hit 500 calories okay so it's 45 minutes of 20 second sprints on the Airdyne machine, it takes about 45 minutes to hit 500 kilometers. Oh, okay. So it's 45 minutes of 20-second sprints, 10-second rest. 20-second sprint, 10-second rest. Jesus.

Yeah. Or you could lift weights, which is way easier, but that's more like an hour and a half-ish. That's my favorite mode. Lifting weights? Yeah. Yeah. And it's the best results for me too like i hate running but if something happens in my life and i'm like enraged i'll just run five miles without even

blinking i will just like blackout run because i'm so mad well running is like one of the best things to alleviate anxiety yeah yeah okay i can see that high yeah you just get that yeah because if you really push really hard it sort of wrings out all the shit in your body. It's all the fucking tensions. Yeah. It's like a washcloth just wrings it out. Did we ever talk about Dr. John Sarno's healing back pain? Yeah.

There's like some of it is very applicable and some of it is like, all right, I could probably also have a back problem yeah i think both of those things are true like i heard people talking about it in a very like factual way like your back pain is all mental like no right some people have bulging discs and they push against their nerves and they have real problems sure sure sure yeah and then some people do have some weird sort of psychological thing where they're like tensed up and their back is fucked up and it's all in their mind. Well, I've definitely had like in the middle of like an argument with a family member,

like all of a sudden my neck just starts locking and like down my shoulder blade. It's like a specific area. Yeah. With a specific familial wound. Isn't it funny how if you look back on those moments, though, like how trivial they really all are? Oh, sure. Those things that fuck you up and get you tense and get you mad.

Like in the overall scheme of things. Yeah. Are you in the contemplate your death once a day and then everything, the whole landscape of your worries changes? No. I don't do a lot of that. Yeah. I do that sometimes. Contemplate your death oh yeah yeah and i'm like oh none of this shit matters then i mean definitely most of it doesn't matter it's just in the moment it seems like it matters because it's the most pressing thing that's on

your mind currently and you know especially if you don't have power over what's happening or something's going on that's beyond your control, it's overwhelming sometimes. So it becomes your primary focus. I got really good at stuff like that. Well, not really good. I don't want to toot my own horn. But my husband is a he's a tough guy and because he's had to be. is a he's a tough guy and because he's had to be and he has taught me so much about boundaries which have been lacking for most of my life and setting boundaries for other people and for myself

as well but but like having this like somewhat of a doormat kind of life, me being the doormat, because I love everybody so much. So I get myself into trouble with, you know, wanting to help, I guess. And then, like, getting in this, like, washing machine of dysfunction, you know, with my family or, you know, like, not the right kind of friend. And I started getting good at, like, saying, hey, this is how, this is where i'm i'm drawing a line i love you but this is the line and uh my uh my worries have changed in my dedication to that which was really hard you know because you don't want to i don't want to let

people down how many people are you having to let down quite a few few. Yeah? Yeah. Well, you're very nice. That's probably part of the problem. If you're very nice, one of the things that happens is people use you as their solution. Correct. Yeah. Which is not fun. And I want to help because I know a lot of stuff and I want to share it. And then they get mad at you still.

You kind of become like this mother figure thing. But I'm learning about myself too and and and what that means for me and and my ego and and like it's it's very humbling but you know i kind of got like a pit bull for a husband who helps you know defend me against those poor choices well that's good though you got someone looking out for you yeah yeah that's that's important in life you know sometimes you see the way people live their life being like oh well i gotta get more of that in me like how do i do more than that like if you live with the person it's like

if it's your husband like it's easier to model yeah it's like yeah he does it i'm gonna fucking do that too look he's right look there you go yeah and then it's like well we balance each other out in that way like i soften him up a little bit and he toughens me up. And it's nice. That's good. Yeah. That's the yin and yang of life, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I love it. It's nice. It's nice when it works out. It sucks when people are two yins or two yangs and just fucking wah. Or they, you know, accentuate each other's mental illness. Oh, my God.

Fucking A. That's a lot of relationships, right? It really is. Yeah. Every day is like the dedication is balanced like is you know whether we're up against uh our own discord or the world you know like you could pick up your phone right and just be like set off in in seconds yep into some labyrinth of someone else's thoughts or agenda. And I'm just so over it. I'm so over it. And then you have to come to the realization that some people never fix any problems. They just have new ones. Oh, absolutely. And those people that's like,

this is like a fundamental error in the way they approach life. And your help is not going to fix that. I think that's the same people that are still obsessed with covid they moved it to something else and then they moved it to covid which was like this undeniable wet blanket of escapism because you could get everybody can get you can all get mad and then and then blame it on other people. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking over that too. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting seeing even people that were like hardcore vaccine advocates that are now saying if they had known that it didn't stop transmission, didn't stop infection and, you know, only lasted X amount of months, they wouldn't have done it. Sure. And that they really weren't at the same risk level that

they thought they were at when all that shit was being forced on people now the cdc's recommending it for kids oh it's so stupid putting as far as like the kids vaccine schedule right well that's because that that's that liability thing um do you know about that? The reason that they got that approval is so it covers their asses for some long game liability if there's side effects to it. I'm kind of butchering that. But there's some legalized upside to them making it a recommended vaccine for children along with polio or tetanus. It's really fucked up. Where was I listening to that? I think it was No Agenda.

Yeah. Sounds like No Agenda. But I just butchered it, so sorry, guys. Adam's the man. Yeah. They're both great. Yeah. I love that dude.

But yeah, that's probably part of it there's probably some sort of legal reason why they're doing it well i'm just kind of i think it's interesting you know now that there's this like you know amnesty thing with covid like trying to just be like let's just all say we're sorry and And, you know, like people had to watch their dying loved ones pass on their iPhones and shit. And like, I'm not, I'm not like, I don't know. I was already over it. Like my industry, like I'm not vaccinated. So I got, you know, I lost tours. I had like a good deal of momentum that was taken out of my last record, which really sucked.

But I'm really glad I made the choice I did. And, you know, nobody's, nobody's like, nobody's like knocking on my door to apologize or anything, not that I need it. Well, it was just a weird time. You know, there's so many people that had such a high level of anxiety already. And then COVID came along and that was just overwhelming for them to deal with this existential threat that you can't control. That's everywhere. And it's invisible. I mean, it had all the, all the elements that you needed to really freak people out that were already frayed. And some people just aren't that resilient. No, they're not. You really can see that now.

I feel like I lost a lot of good guys out there. Not really. I don't think you did. The people that you lost from that, it's like, you know, come on. Well, you know, at this point I'm amazed at the snowball of fear snowball of, you know, fear and the way people were so easily controlled. And then you throw in your, like, freedom of speech. And now you can't say, you can't talk about it.

You can't talk about this, this, or this without people going nuclear on you and, like, getting a whole gang of maniacs who disagree it's like why can't you just disagree yeah you know like it's pretty yeah it's it's it's pretty you know orwellian and also um i've been reading a lot of greek mythology lately and it's just like a Greek tragedy, you know, the madness of the gods, you know. And then like, you know, COVID kind of became this god that made people nuts. You know, this like invisible force. Yeah.

Yeah. That, you know, created a cult following. It also exposed a serious problem that people have with their own personal health. So many people just don't take care of themselves and those are the people that were the most stressed out because they had the most to lose they were the most at fear sure because they've been spending so much time eating shitty food and living a sedentary lifestyle with a very vulnerable immune system so something came along like this and they wanted everyone to protect them right you know and that's part of what it was. It's like, you're going to get me fucked up.

You know, it's like that. That was the threat. People are wearing a fucking mask, like all that shit. It's really strange. Like, yeah, people I've known for years and years and years, like lost their fucking minds. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. It is.

Suffering? It's good to know who can keep it together. Right, right, right. It's good. Yeah. It's good. It is. Suffering? It's good to know who can keep it together. Right, right, right, right. It's good. I appreciate those moments of clarity. Yeah. Because, you know, and it's also good to see people lose their fucking minds and then regain them. And go, yeah, you know, I was a little out of line there.

Sure. You know, and just realize that they got caught up in it. Oh, yeah, well, good. Be accountable. That's great. I'm a big fan of that. Yeah. You know, that's the way through.

The other stuff I cannot hang with. I just wish people would, like, recognize, like, en masse, that this is a real issue with personal health. And you should take care of yourself. You should exercise regularly. You should take vitamins. You should eat well. Eat good food.

Drink water. You know, there. Eat good food. Drink water. Well, there's a whole agenda, you know, anti-health. Like if you go to the gym and you're into eating well or eating carnivore, you must be a racist Republican. You know, like there's a whole identity attached to it. Yeah. If you work out, you must be a Republican? Yeah, there's all kinds of like it's this. It seems silly. Oh, it's very kinds of like it's this. Seems silly.

Oh, it's very silly. That's just an excuse for not taking care of yourself. You got to let yourself go. Oh, you should? In order to prove your, you know, your dedication to doing the right thing. How does that make any sense? I get, you know, I get the whole body positivity thing. You should be happy with your body.

Yeah, you should be happy. But you also should take care of yourself. It like better it's like fundamentally better undeniably better sure take care of yourself you're more resilient yeah and if you did take care of yourself and you went into this thing healthy you were less threatened oh yeah that's something we found out it's like that probably applies to most things kids. Mm-hmm, you know Except like absolutely. Well and just yeah your overall mental health things Spanish flu was actually worse if you were healthy. Oh, really? Yeah Oh, I don't know was a weird that I think the Spanish flu Primarily attacked people that were young like it did something to your immune system

Like if your immune system was young and strong like it actually fought against your immune system your immune system like if your immune system was young and strong like it actually fought against your immune system we got lucky with this one this this one was lucky because it actually favored people that were healthy and including children favored people that were young and resilient and really really fuck people up that were overweight more than anything people that were fat you know there was a thing about, the way it interacts with fat. It actually replicates in fat. So people with fat got a higher dose. It was a higher viral load.

Figure out what that was, Jamie. Like something about being obese uniquely targeted people for COVID. It's something about this particular virus, the way it affected obese people, which is like 78% at one point in time of the people in the ICU, they were obese. Right. Which is wild. Right. But yet we live in this world where you're not supposed to talk about people being fat as being

a real problem. You're supposed to not fat chain people. It's like- Well, some of that isn't. Here it is. I want to say. Okay. SARS-CoV-2 infects fat tissue and creates inflammatory storm cloud. Stanford medicine scientists finding could explain why obese people have a higher risk of SARS-CoV-2 infections and are more likely to progress to severe disease and die of infection.

So it shows that SARS-CoV-2 can infect human fat tissue. This phenomenon was seen in laboratory experiments conducted on fat tissue excised from patients undergoing bariatric and cardiac surgeries and later infected in a laboratory dish with SARS-CoV-2. It was further confirmed in autopsy samples from deceased COVID-19 patients. 2, it was further confirmed in autopsy samples from deceased COVID-19 patients. Obesity is an established independent risk factor for SARS-CoV-2 infection, as well as for patients' progression once infected to severe disease and death. Reasons offered for this increased vulnerability range from impaired breathing resulting from

the pressure of extra weight to altered immune responsiveness in obese people, but the new study provides a more direct reason. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can directly infect adipose tissue, which most refers to as just plain fat. That, in turn, cooks up a cycle of viral replication within resident fat cells or adipocytes that cause profound inflammation in immune cells that hang out in fat tissue. The inflammation converts even uninfected bystander cells within the tissue and into an inflammatory state.

With two out of every three American adults overweight and more out of four in ten of them obese this is a potential cause for concern i feel like um well first of all that's wild fucking wild but you know part like i'm always amazed at those photos of like people in line for a concert in the 90s or you know and then like juxtaposed next to something this past year yeah Harry Styles I don't know and there's a distinct difference in body type and people are still eating the same junk food now that we were then like we still ate fast food then we had all kinds of you know sugar and things in our diet and sweets but I'm really interested in what's in our processed food, like seed oils and things like that.

Oh, we've been harping on that ad nauseum on the podcast lately. Yeah, well, then let's move on. No, no, it's okay. But it's a new thing in my life. So, you know, I love Ways to Well. I freaking, like, they've been life-changing. It's the best medical care I've ever had. Like, since I was a kid and I had our our like, you know, local doctor in Ohio,

like a deep blood work panel. Yeah. And I've just, uh, I did a food intolerance test and I learned all these things, but like canola oil was like a hugely irritating thing. Cause I always have fucking stomach aches. It's irritating for everybody.

Right. But it's in everything and it has all these different names. Yeah. Um, but like the, you know, sunflower oil and rapeseed oil, like all um but like the you know sunflower oil and rapeseed oil like all that shit like rapeseed oil is like one step away from shit we put in our cars

it was it's crazy invented as industrial lubricants yeah exactly yeah and then decided to feed it to people right so no thanks and you know i'm all i'm just fascinated by that stuff because like i go through these phases where um like if i just if I'm on the road or something, like, I'll start breaking out. And, like, I'm getting acne like I'm a teenager. What the fuck is this? And it's just whatever food I'm eating, my body doesn't like it. But recently, Nick and I did carnivore for a while. And, oh, my God, I've never felt better.

Yeah, if you cut out all that shit. I felt so good. But if you cut out all that shit and then eat so good. But if you cut out all that shit and then eat salads with olive oil and balsamic vinegar, you'll feel great. Yeah.

Like, a lot of people eat salads and they think they're doing well and they pour fucking seed oil all over it. Right, right. That shit's terrible for you. Whenever you do that,

I had a salad the other day and I was like, I know I'm gonna hate this because I know they probably put some whack-ass dressing in it and then after I ate it, I was like, yup,

there it is. There's a discomfort feeling. Oh yeah. I wanted a salad and I ate it, I was like, yep, there it is. There's a discomfort feeling. Oh, yeah. I wanted a salad and I ate poison. Yeah. Yeah, it's a bummer. I don't like being knocked off course. Like, it's just too much I want to do.

So, you know, then I was looking at, like, peanut butters. Believe it or not, Smucker's natural peanut butter is the only one I could find that had just peanuts and that's it. Yeah? I know you're not supposed to, like, peanuts aren't't the best for you, but you know, when I need I don't think they're bad for you if you don't have a peanut allergy. Are they bad for you? There's, there's better nuts, but I ways too well learned a few of those are not super good for me.

Almonds and I, we don't get along. Almonds you don't get along with? Nah, it's a bummer. I know. Interesting. Yeah. Supposedly if i lay off this stuff also eggs was a big one for me eggs and i i was eating like five eggs every morning

after the gym and but my stomach always hurts so wow so you have an allergy to eggs it's not quite an allergy it's an intolerance like they have this igg scale that they they run two or three hundred different the test i did, different foods against your blood, like my blood, not just my blood type. And they can show me what clashes. Garlic was one of them and I'd rather

run my face into a wall because I'm Italian and I love that shit. I was mad when I read it. I was like, garlic? What the? Come on! And I was like, I won't give. was like, garlic? What the? Oh! Like, come on! And I was like, I won't give. I won't give. I'll quit the pastel cartel vape, but I will not quit my garlic.

But, yeah. But it's been interesting to cut it all out and feel really good. But supposedly, like, you can cut it out for, like, three months and then maybe reintroduce it and see what happens. Well, that's the elimination diet thing. And that's the whole reason why carnivore works for people. Because you're basically breaking it down to just meat. Yeah, meats were all greens for me. I had no problems.

Yeah. So I go to Hudson Meats near our house and it's all local and it's fucking delicious. All the sausage and steaks and it's just like, it's right there in the fridge. Just throw it in a pan. There's a lot of cool shit in Austin where you can find like local places where like, yeah, this is from a farm outside of Bastrop.

That's where they raise their steers. And it's like, oh, great. You can buy it from the people that actually made it. It's not getting shipped from Argentina or something, you know? It's beautiful out there. Have you ever been out there?

Bastrop or Argentina? Bastrop. Yeah, I know? It's beautiful out there. Have you ever been out there? Bastrop or Argentina? Bastrop. Yeah, I have. It is nice. Yeah. That's the cool thing about, someone said something about keep Austin weird and surrounded.

And the idea of Austin being surrounded by real Texas, I think really weighs on Austin because there's a lot of freaks here. For sure. They have a lot of freaks here for sure they have the very just a lot of beto signs oh yeah you know you drive around in east austin i don't i'm just so amazed that people are supporting someone who's never been elected for anything and he's silly and he's he's like like a bandwagon for whatever is trending like get your fucking head together.

He's a politician. Oh, it's just so rough. He's a guy who's like doing open mics. That's what he's like. He's like never really done the job, but he's out there doing those open mics and doing it like an open miker. He's like an amateur. The way he does politics, it's like so fucking contrived. Well, they're all like that like it's

just so it's a shit show and it's really hard like i just have to turn it off i i try to be as informed as i possibly can but like watching this stuff is is so crazy like like the the nancy pelosi paul pelosi thing is just like oh my god they've sorted out what happened yet well i all these conspiracy theories that he knew the guy and the guy was in his house yeah he was his lover there's always weren't they in their underwear well one of them was in their underwear right were they both in their underwear well what i'd heard i see i i can't like speak factually on this but what i'd heard is that there were uh you interrupting, Jamie? You know something? I was going to wait.

This morning they said there's video that the Capitol Police saw of him breaking in. They have it on video. So the guy did break into the house. Yeah. They haven't shown it yet, I guess, but it is on video somewhere. So it's not his friend. I don't believe so. I think that he just maybe said that when it was overheard on the 911 call.

Well, either way, whatever that is, the way that the news is presented, the way that they talk about this, and then they try to thread in all the other things that are part of their case against Democrats against Republicans, Republicans against Democrats. No one can just talk about one thing. You have to have this whole word soup of your stance in the world, and you've got to be on this side or that side. Well, it's because we're so close to the midterms. I know. It's so annoying. It's a week away.

I know. So everybody's freaking out. I know. Everybody's freaking out. People are mad at me because I said it was going to be a red wave, like the elevator doors open up on The Shining. I'm not saying I want that. I'm just saying this is what I see.

You've got to recognize what's happening, folks. People are getting sick with this woke ideology getting crammed down everybody's fucking throat. It's the worst. And if you don't think that's the case, you're probably on that band on that bandwagon yeah you don't think there's something really wild going on what's sad is that um i i used to really be so scared to talk about this stuff and like now i'm at this point where like i got nothing to lose. I mean, like I don't. It's just like having logical conversations around this stuff. Feelings are not facts.

Like they're just they're not. And the way that, you know, people are running rampant with their emotions and ruining their lives as well as others, you know, people are running rampant with their emotions and ruining their lives as well as others, you know, is so dangerous. And I really want to be able to have conversations and also be wrong and be like scientifically told that I'm incorrect, you know, around all this stuff. I'm incorrect, you know, around all of this stuff. But it's so sad. I mean, people are so angry. And, you know, yeah, it's just social contagions and mental illness. It'll be really weird if we find out this was engineered. We're really weird if we find out that foreign countries have been infecting.

I'm sure it is. I mean, like, think about think about it like think about how wrapped up how easy it is to get wrapped up and not be exactly sure what thoughts are your own from looking at your fucking phone yeah you know and to have a group of people that you identify with that have a very specific ideology that they support and if you're on that side you must support that ideology right so when certain things come up you just say, this is what I'm supposed to say. And you haven't thought about it. And then quietly when people are alone, they go, I don't know about this. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a cult. That's a cult. It is a cult. It's very similar to a cult. Yeah. It's very similar to a lot of mental contagions because that does happen with people. We're a fucking very strange species. We're very easily influenced and malleable.

And we're also very hard-lined. And when we believe something, we want other people to believe it. We want to win that argument. Win that argument that my idea is the best idea. I don't feel that way. I mean, I just want to have a good time. I just want to give love, receive love, enjoy my life experience. If there's hard conversations that need to be had, I am not the most intelligent person in the room. So I'm going to learn and I'm

going to listen. But, you know, in my own personal life experience, can speak eloquently and uh you know powerfully on my own side of the street but with this stuff like that's where like i love reading james lindsey and douglas murray and gad sod like they're so brilliant logical intellectual logical Logical, critical thinking. Yeah. And that's where I get like my, you know, refreshing wave of confidence with this stuff. Have you been paying attention to Twitter? How Twitter's now fact checking all Biden statements? Good. So every time Biden says something and post it on Twitter, Twitter's like, nope, actually, that's not true. Like, this is this is inaccurate inaccurate but they're doing it for everybody

too it's not just him which is fair let's keep it fair but what I can't cannot understand is people being like um I'm leaving Twitter because uh without censorship this will be the death of democracy

are you fucking serious like how dumb it's wild here we are but it's also a thing you're supposed to say i'm leaving twitter because elon musk is evil and then like yay he said the right thing yeah look having him run twitter i think is going to be great i think it's going to be very interesting twitter's funny again yeah there's like all these great jokes. Yeah you don't want to worry about getting fucking banned for

cracking jokes anymore. Yeah it's oh boy. What good fun. It's just nice to have a guy who's like a tech billionaire who has an opposing perspective and is a free speech hardliner. Because I think that's important. And the fact that he, you know, literally put his money where his mouth is and purchased the biggest social media platform in the world.

Yeah. Pretty fucking wild. Well, there's some sort of saving grace with this like anti-cancel culture thing that's happening. Like, sure sure fact check that's great but um give people room to fuck up give people room to say hey i'm sorry i said the wrong thing and let me just apologize and i'll do better i'll try better next time you know like things are very messy you know and depending upon who you you're a different person every day every day you're slightly different every day day. Yesterday, I was Dolly Parton.

Are you? My wish. Thanks. I've downsized. That lady, she's one of the few people that everybody loves. Oh my God.

You should get her on the podcast. I would love to. That would be amazing. She's so loved. I know. Like universally loved. Yeah.

Like no matter what. Yeah. You know, she's like one of those people like Willie Nelson. You can't hear a bad word about Willie Nelson. No, you can't. universally loved yeah like no matter what yeah you know she's like one of those people like willie nelson you can't hear a bad word about willie nelson no you can't oh god i got to see him last year oh no this year i played the luck reunion um at willie's ranch and i got to see him play uh and it was just i hadn't seen him like 10 years and it's just it's so special and you know he's up there so yeah you

want to get as much uh willie nelson time as you can right well you know yeah well he's still he's still playing yeah i mean he's 90 now right i think so this is maybe older yeah he's 10 years older than biden wow i guess biden should start smoking weed i think think Biden's dealing with the presidential stress Which just wears you out like 15 times more than normal stress I think they're all on drugs Oh he's definitely on drugs Like there's just

Oh my god Yeah he's got IV marks on his hands Someone was pointing that out They're giving him IVs Sure But that's probably vitamins and stuff Just to try to keep him as robust as possible. I just prefer to learn about Joe Biden through Kyle Dunnigan. And then that's like my only way to know what's going on because half the jokes he's saying are actual things that Joe Biden said.

And then you're just like it's more digestible coming from Kyle Dunnigan because it's funny. Did you see Kyle Dunnigan had it's funny did you see kyle dunnigan had tucker carlson interview uh kanye west no what i'm gonna need to see that that's so good pull it up pull it up jamie kyle dunnigan's a fucking him and kurt metzger they're fucking national treasures together those guys like those fucking sketches that they do. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's good stuff. It's the face swap, too. It's, oh, my God.

Oh, Jesus. Welcome to Tucker Carlson. Today, I sat down with Kanye West. Oh, Kanye West. Don't sit down with him. He's a scary guy. That's what the left wants you to think. He doesn't seem crazy to me.

He seems like an okay guy. Take a look. Thank you for being here, Yee. First question. You said Pete Davidson has a 10-inch penis. Is that true? Yes. Who else knew about this whopping dong?

Every single person in Hollywood, from my ex-wife to my mother-in-law to, you know, my so-called friends. Your hat says 2023. Is that the year you think it is? Yes. Along with leather jogging pants, you created a White Lives Matter shirt. I can hear people saying, well, of course, White Lives Matter. We don't get shot by the cops. But we do get shot by the cops, But we do get shot by the cops. Don't we? Yes.

I'm going to start a rap and then you finish it. Johnny went to the country club. When my mom, when they, when... That was fun. Mostly, where's the best Starbucks? In Delaware.

I think your message is quite nice. White lives do matter, except for Pete Davidson's. It was funny. Thank you for being here. Good evening and welcome to Tucker Carlson. He's so good at the cadence of the inflections. Oh man, what a joy. Well, we need fucking comedy right now.

That's for damn sure. We need a little bit of a break and it's one of the more incredible things about the internet is the memes. Yeah. I mean, just some of the Paul Pelosi memes have been fucking hilarious. There's some really good stuff out there. Oh, my God.

Everyone. But that's the thing about, you know, there's so many different creative people out there that they can get their stuff out there. Just a meme. Yeah. And every spreads's around. It's funny. It gives you a little break.

And it gets you to see how most people are actually seeing multiple sides to different stories. Yes. That's the best part. Yeah. If it's kind of one-sided and it's just, you know, like I get where your trajectory is at, sure. But this shit is so good.

Yeah. He covers every, he makes fun of everybody. Everybody. Everybody gets it. Bill Maher. Everybody. Everybody gets it. Bill Maher gets it. Everybody gets it. Caitlyn Jenner gets it. They all get it.

Joe Biden gets it. Everyone gets it. You're all going to get those jokes. Oh, I can't. Let's see. You can't? Oh,

it's that one with, it's like really early on with that female comic who I met backstage with you months ago. Blonde. Oh, man. Where was it? It was here in Austin. And, oh, God, sorry.

Her name is escaping me. But she did a couple Kyle Dunnigan videos and she plays his daughter. Oh, Annie. Annie Letterman. Yeah. Yeah. She's really funny. Yeah.

She's very funny. She does that thing where- When he does catty daddy? Catty daddy. Yeah. And he's like, what does he say? Oh my God. I can't.

I can't do it because it's so like, she's like, dad, I've got a problem. And he's like, oh, did you inherit your mother's ugly pussy? It's not so terrible. She's like, no, I've got, you know, a cold or whatever. I can't remember. I'm totally paraphrasing. And he keeps taking the glasses off and throwing them down, whatever makes a point. Catty daddy.

Oh, I'm going to regret saying that. Well, those guys are doing some of the best comedy available online. I mean, that's what's interesting about independent stuff like that. Like, have you seen any Gillian Keeves? That's my friend Shane Gillis and his buddy. They do these sketches, and they did one was Trump speed dating.

Okay. It's fucking amazing. But it's the same thing. It's like, they're independent. Right. So because they're independent, they can do stuff like this Tucker Carlson thing or like that thing. Right. right so because they're independent they can do stuff like this tucker carlson thing or like that thing right and no one's telling them don't do it like

he you know kyle duncan had a special he had a show that he was going to do on comedy central and oh really yes with the face swaps and they were like no you can't do this it's too controversial he had one where caitlin jenner was fucking Donald Trump. She was riding Donald Trump. It was hilarious. Is that a little too racy? It was so funny. He gave it to me. He showed it to me in the green room of the Comedy Store. I was crying laughing.

He's like, Comedy Central said no to this. I'm like, oh my God, they're suicidal. They have a death wish. Well, TV's not really funny anymore, give or take a few things. South Park. We are always watching old shit. Love News Radio. That's on in our house quite a bit.

We're watching 80s and 90s movies, like old Eddie Murphy movies. We like Archer. That's great. But there's not, like comedically speaking, there's not a ton of stuff that's out right now. Other than Nathan Fielder's pretty good. I like his stuff on HBO. But like, I mean, remember when TV was funny all the time? Most of those subjects that were taboo or risque are now banned.

Right. You can't discuss those things. Correct. It's going to bounce back the other way. There's always like a crazy cultural shift and people realize that they've made errors. I mean, that was the Red Scare during the communist days. Sure, sure, sure.

There's always like a time where it was like, oh, oh, and then it just ever like, well, my God, what were we doing? What the fuck were we doing? And hopefully there's going to be. Hopefully we're at that point where that question is happening because. I think we are. I think we are for the most part. I want better TV.

Yeah, that's going to be fucked. TV's going to be fucked, but it'll pick up on streamers. Like Netflix will have more options and Amazon and places like that. Yeah, but that's kind of the problem too in that way that the same thing that happened to the music industry is happening to the TV industry. Because everything's streamed and it's basically free. So the quality is you know movies too like what the hell were we watching recently where i was like how much money did they spend making this piece of garbage yeah pretty much all the tv we watch is like that for the the most part. What was it? There's still good stuff out there. Oh, my God.

Tom, what's his name? Another like bang, bang, shoot him up. It came out last year. The Gray Man? No. That was terrible, too. I thought that was so bad. You know why it's terrible?

It's not the same as the books. If you read the Gray Man books, they're hardcore. It's pretty wild. Super hyper violent. Oh, really? Oh, it's all about a CIA assassin. I think the thing that I struggle with is like wanting, like, I just don't believe it. Like, I don't believe that that physical body type is doing that thing.

Like, I see where the like sleight of hand is taking place. Call me a cynic, but what's happened to me? Probably just being logical yeah but you know you have to have that diffusion of what what is that term you know when you um you just give in to whatever the show is just give into it what's that term god damn it you know that that term god my brain is shit today. One day of drinking, my brain falls apart. Oh, you're going to be okay. Well, you know what you're supposed to do.

Keep drinking. That's what they say. Want a cocktail? Absolutely. But you know what? I just remembered another funny show, The Righteous Gemstones. What's that? Hilarious.

Danny McBride's show on HBO. Oh, really? I love that show. Oh, my God. About the, like, megachurch. Oh. It is so funny. I mean, it is brutally gross in, like, speech, but it's quick.

It's funny. Danny McBride and John Goodman. I highly recommend it. Yeah. Oh, I love John Goodman. Nice. He's one of those, like, bucket list people I'd love to meet that I hope is as cool in person as he seems to be. Yeah, it would suck if he wasn't.

I know. Yeah, there's still good stuff out there. Yeah, I don't want to be such a naysayer. And there's more to discover, I'm sure but I've really enjoyed like these like we're we've been watching all these 90s movies like uh the last of the Mohicans and and um we went through the Fugitive the Firm um a couple of Tom Cruise other Tom Cruise movies you're going all old school yeah it's great I just like the acting was better the storylines were better for the most part unless you're doing an action film like Point Break or something like I was

amazed at how bad that was like why are you going to jump out of the airplane with the guys that you know want to kill you and they packed your parachute but you're getting in there anyway I don't even remember that movie very well Sean of Utah what do you mean I know but still like there's just there were so many holes in the end of that movie that I kept watching.

It was fun. It was entertaining. But wouldn't you want to tie up some of those holes in that blockbuster of a film that you're putting all this money into? Just make the storyline a tad bit better? It's not that hard. They don't give a fuck. They don't care.

Fast and Furious 9. Did you see Fast and Furious 9? Yeah, I love that and furious 9 yeah i love that space they have a car in space like this that movie's made like a billion dollars but you know what you're signing up for with that stuff too like you're like i'm gonna get stoned and watch this and enjoy it and my mind's not gonna be blown other than by the special effects. Everything else, you know, is. But that's the thing if you watch any kind of action movie. Like the thing that bothers you is like the thing that you have to kind of accept. I don't know.

Maverick really touched my heart. Did it? Yeah. I made it 15 minutes. Oh, what? Yeah. Wow. I was like, you got to be kidding me.

I can't do this. But like Tom Cruise is actually flying those planes. I know. Which is pretty wild. We have to talk about this. I think you have to give it another try. No. Come on, man. No.

Suspension of disbelief. That's what I was looking for. Okay. Suspension of disbelief. You stick with your terminal list. I like that. Well, I like the books. The books are great. Are they? Yeah. That's why I like the series. And I like Chris Pratt. I like him, too. I like the books. The books are great. Are they? Yeah. Okay, I didn't read them. That's why I like the series. Okay.

And I like Chris Pratt. I like him, too. I like him a lot. And my friend Jack Carr wrote it all. Okay. Oh, that's super cool. See those tomahawks on the wall? Yeah.

Those cross tomahawks? Okay. That's the Terminal List tomahawks. Oh, I did know that was a Jack Carr book. Yeah. There's another one of his that I really want to read. Do you read all his books? Yeah.

They're all about james reese right the terminalist is the first one right what are the names of the other ones i think he has i think he's on book five now but yeah so the books are better oh the books are fucking great yeah here it goes so uh terminalist true believer iniever, In the Blood, Savage Son, The Devil's Hand. I think it's The Devil's Hand. I think that's what he's got out now. And then he's working on number five. I think I'm due for some good fiction. You're good.

I've been getting into all this heady stuff lately and I need to calm the fuck down. Well, that's not that heady, but it's very violent. Yeah. Well. You know, it's written by an actual Navy SEAL. Correct. Who really did experience combat duty and yeah look it's as close to reality as you can get in fiction in terms of like you know obviously the good guy wins

yeah there's a lot of reality interlaced into it in terms of like how things actually run and Wow yeah man it's you know nick and i were talking about this the other day like in conjunction with navy seals and highly trained operatives and you know uh lethal weapons among us like think about all the former spies that like like the the gray man like have aged out of their profession but are still among us that could like kill you with their fingertips. There's got to be a lot at this point.

There's probably a few. Hanging out, your neighbor, you know, trying to have a quiet life. That's that movie or that TV show, The Old Man. Oh, not The Gray Man. The Old Man. That's what I meant.

Oh, The Old Man's good. Oh, I was talking about The Old Man. man oh the gray man was the one with uh the gray man is that ryan reynolds i always confuse those two oh yeah one of the men the old man and aren't they kind of synonymous at this point old and gray but ryan gosling's not old no he's not i was just the old man is uh the jeff bridge that's the one I was talking about. That's really good for a few episodes. Right. And then it's just drones on.

It gets to the point where you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, yeah. How is he getting away? What is going on? How's he driving all the way across the country? The storyline of like dedicating his love to this woman who's terrible to him. Well, he's terrible to her, too. Yeah, but it just, you know.

I mean, dragged her and kidnapped her. Once again, like a Greek tragedy. Bringing it back. But in the beginning, like the first episode or two, I was like, holy shit, this show's great. Same. We were into it for a couple episodes, and then it just. Yeah, it got heavy with the dialogue, where they're explaining things with dialogue.

Like, you're losing me here. Did you guys get new writers ran out of money probably it's amazing how they make shows like yeah people get fired halfway through they they bring people on they they reshoot and and like jump around and executives come in they want to change things oh yeah that's why a lot of things get made really poorly. Absolutely. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Yeah. I mean, there's someone else you should talk to about that. I mean, Nick would just give you the whole thing.

No, I'm sure he would. I mean, I've gotten some of it out of him, but it's just, yeah, it's very difficult to get like one creative vision and and and have that be the thing that gets put out there well you have to um i mean every every show every project every you know production company is different and so like it's hard to get just like in music sometimes like it's hard to get the right people without an ego that like just want to make something fucking awesome but that's not the case most of the time and now especially like our industries took i mean what a big fat disappointment in like having to make a show but like you got to make sure you check all these political boxes so that you um you know uh manipulate a storyline um instead of just like telling a good

story like there's just all kinds of insertions of of agenda and and you know that just takes away from like watching a good movie or a good show you know yeah they just feel like they have to include adversity or you know diversity and certain groups have to be represented and it's not what a story is supposed to be about you should have as many stories from as many different perspectives as possible but that doesn't mean you should with someone's idea just because you want to add in right like a gay character or a black woman character or an asian character it's like that should be natural. It's like the female Ghostbusters. Come on, guys.

Female Ghostbusters was good for a little while. Yeah, but like- The first half hour of it or so was pretty funny. And I'm not saying Ghostbusters can't be female. I'm sure they could

bust the hell out of those ghosts, but you know- All the men were buffoons. Yeah. Even Bill Murray, he was bad. He was a bad guy. Right.

Oh, I love Bill Murray. Bill Murray's the best. They're coming for Bill.. Right. Oh, I love Bill Murray. Bill Murray's the best. They're coming for Bill. Are they? Oh, yeah. What do you mean? There's all these people saying that he was horrible to work with. And I'm like, maybe they were horrible.

Maybe he just doesn't tolerate assholes. I don't know. But also, give people some, give them a chance for redemption. Sometimes you made mistakes. You got to come back and, you know, be like, yeah, maybe I was an asshole back then. I don't know. I don't know either.

Unless he was like, you know, it depends on the degree. That's the thing. People get so upset about things they probably know nothing about. Everything is hearsay. And that's where like this James Lindley stuff, like really, it blows my mind and

then makes me so sad is that like objective reality is canceled out by uh your local narratives and and like if you you know if i say this this red skull is green then it's green you know and that's it agree it's green or there's some problem. Right, right. Or just like getting, you know, tremendously upset about a headline because you read it and then you believe that this thing is true. But you know nothing about it. And it could be about Bill Murray being an asshole or whatever. Like, I really care about that stuff right now. I care about how it's affected my life and mistakes i've made in thought around like bandwagon emotions like i'm so disappointed in myself for when i've done that like what um when like i mean you know, a lot of the BLM stuff, you know, was so intense and so emotional. And

like, I read Tahanasi Coates' book, Between the World and Me. And then I read Douglas Murray, who gives you a totally different context on Coates' version of the world, which is really harsh and, you know, shaming for a white person, you know. And I do care. I do care about justice. I do care about reality and actual problems. But I think that like the way the narrative around racism now is so destructive. And show me where I'm wrong, by the way, you know, like show me where I'm saying the wrong things and I've made a mistake. But, you know, like diversity and inclusion officers in the schools, teaching kids about white privilege and things

like that, like, it just seems so destructive. Like, now we're so aware of each other's differences in skin color, whereas like, I, I just care about if you're a good person or not, you know, I just care about what kind of people we are. And this is where like like you know i'm not i'm not trying to start a fight with anybody like i i want to understand what is real and what has been uh a narrative that's pushed on me to manipulate my emotions and uh push me to make choices that i don't understand well the wildest thing about the blm thing is there's always overcorrections, right? There's always like things that we recognize are giant problems in this country. And racism certainly is one.

And then things go so far to one direction and then they bounce back the other direction. The problem with that is like you don't want it bouncing back into the area of accepting racism. You don't want it bouncing back into the area of accepting racism. You don't ever want it to be pushed in so far to one way that it becomes popular to bounce back the other way. No, what I care about are things that are called racist that shouldn't be, like math. Right. Like I'm talking about that stuff. That kind of shit, yeah. And like where it's become maniacal.

The problem is it also becomes something that people barter in. You know, whenever you have an issue that's a cultural issue, you can have people that are essentially mercenaries that use whatever that cultural issue is for their own personal gain. And, you know, that's one of the things that people saw with BLM was where all the money went. Well, yeah, that too. Where did it go? A lot of it's missing. A lot of it was spent on houses for the people that were a part of the movement that now live in mansions. Originally, what was it supposed to be for?

Community-oriented things? But the problem is whenever you have any sort of charitable organization, you have people that are actually being paid by the organization. And how much should they make? And like where is that money going how is that money being allocated who gets to decide if you donate a million dollars to an organization that organization has a million dollars do they have a mandate very specifically as to where they can apply that money and not and it turns out in some cases no right and people were donating because they thought it was a good cause and the right thing to do. And it made them feel better to donate.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Like, I did those things. And I didn't understand them other than I just felt so bad. Right. You know, and I, that's where I wanted to take control of my life in that way. Of just like, I want to know what's going on. I want to know what I believe in. I want to take control of, of my life in that way of, of just like, I want to know what's going on. I want to know what I believe in. I want to know what's real. And I want to read and have

my own life experiences and talk to people if they want to share something with me so I can understand your, your perspective, you know? Like, I'm, I'm big on meritocracy, you know, like, I work hard. I know people that work really hard and get to the places they want to be in life or keep trying to get to the place they want to be in life, whether it's your career or being a good person or being a good, you know, mother, father, husband, wife. But, you know, to say like you have an advantage because you're a man and I have a disadvantage because I'm a woman is bullshit. I mean, like I get where sometimes that that would make sense. Like if we were talking UFC. But like that kind of stuff, like.

Like I've been the only woman on a bill more times I could ever count. Like I that's just like been in the way for a while. Um, and then you start seeing more female artists and they're really, really good. Um, but I don't think they were given that position because they're women. I think they were given the spot on the bill because their music is awesome. That's the same with comedy. Right. I think it's actually harder for women to do comedy absolutely it's like because the the um evidence is that no

one's laughing if you're not funny you know no i think it's harder for women because there's a lot of men that don't want to see women be the person that talks oh like when a woman goes on stage and she's commanding all the attention a lot of of men, oh, fucking could do that. I should be doing that. Women aren't funny. Like there's a prejudice about women being funny. Yeah, sure. Yeah, there definitely is.

There's a prejudice amongst men that some women aren't funny. Huh. Yeah. What a bummer. And then it's like what do they talk about? Look, if a woman's on stage talking about politics, good luck. It's hard not for a man to talk about politics, but when women talk about politics, again, there's a certain percentage of the male population in particular that don't want to fucking hear

it. Right. You know? You want to change the subject? No. I just think it's a more difficult role, but a lot of women make it. And, you know, those women are very popular. Yeah.

Comedy is a meritocracy in that if you are funny, are very popular yeah it's but comedy is a meritocracy and that if you are funny you will and it gets out there and people get to see it they will come see you yeah if you keep working on it and you keep writing new stuff and keep putting out specials yeah you will have a career yeah and there's a lot of people that don't have a career and they attribute that to sexism in some way and you know i go did you do everything you could are you sure you know did you did you improve did you write a lot did you work on your act were you self-critical were you objective did you analyze your material and rework it and and hone it down to a razor's edge you probably didn't right you're probably mad and you're probably trying to attribute all sorts of external reasons as to why you're not as successful as other people that's like that's the point yeah yeah it's always going

to be that but then it's always going to be people who rise and most people will look at those people that do rise and see especially if those people are very dedicated and they worked hard they go well there's obviously a merit to that yeah well these are the standards I have for myself. Like I the way I see the world is like I can't make excuses for my shortcomings or my inabilities or failures and say it's someone else's fault. People love to do that. I know it's a fucking sport. Yeah. Well, that's that's where you pretty much lose me. Yeah, it's just you're wasting so much time too and it doesn't work. First of all, people don't believe it. When you blame other people for your lack of success, other people don't believe it. They let you talk, but they don't believe it. And they don't respect you because they know that you're looking for excuses.

And they'll listen and they may even agree with you. Like, yeah, yeah, you're getting fucked over. Yeah. But really, you know, it's how you behave, what you do, how you think, how you go about doing things, whether or not you can work. Yeah. But really, you know, it's how you behave, what you do, how you think, how you go about doing things, whether or not you can work. Yeah. The work part is the hardest part. Oh, yeah. So many people find excuses for not getting things done. It's like you just got to work.

I mean, like, truth be told, like, I'm giving my career a whole makeover because, like, it hasn't been working, like, since COVID especially. But, like, I just not making enough money on the road. And, like, and I do feel like it's my fault. There's a lot of factors. But, like, with that said, like, I had those feelings of, like, a lot of sadness around it for a little while. And just, like, defeat. And I felt really sorry for myself. And then I, I've been learning logic,

which is, you know, recording production program and it's so fun and I love it. And I'm getting better and better at it and just finding like re-empowering myself with the things I can control. But the things like, like filling a room and, you know, across the country. And, you know, I'm in the like torso part of the music industry, like

club area where I could I could do okay, like if it were like the old days, where like, people were always coming out. But for some reason, the last year, they just weren't, you know, not not for me. And, you know, that like, maybe my music wasn't good enough. I don't know. Like, it's hard to get the word out there these days for some reason. But either way, like, I did those things. Like, I was mad. And I was like, well, it's this, it's because of this, because of this, because of this. And I guess at the end of the day, none of that matters. Because I'm just like so pumped to play music no matter where I am at this point like it's kind of that contemplate your death feeling of just

like well I'm having fun wherever I'm at and I've had a lot of fun thus far and you know the thing that I want like like I think I have it I I think I already have it. And if it, if like my music explodes into the universe, great. Uh, and if, if I just keep getting to do what I'm doing, like that's great too. But, um, you know, performing is, is kind of like, I don't know, performing and seeing live performances feels essential to me. You know, you know, like you need to go out there and do your thing. Well, once you experience it and experience that sort of transcendent moment of the whole crowd vibing with a song and enjoying it. It's like those are beautiful moments in life.

And the people that don't get to see them, maybe they forget, or maybe they haven't experienced it, but it enhances your life in a very unique way. And musicians like yourself and so many others, they provide a thing that if you guys didn't provide it, the world would be less fun. It'd be less exciting. It'd be less cool. You know, it's beautiful. I hope i didn't contradict myself by being like i'm making excuses you're looking at life and you're trying to figure yourself out well it's you know that i think the difficult thing is like i know myself i know who i am and um when you feel limited with your uh extension of your abilities or yourself, it's a very confusing thing, you know, because I'm not sure what is my fault and what is just the circumstance

in the state of my industry or, you know, because it's such a moving target. It's always changing. And like, you know, Jamie and I were talking earlier about TikTok and I was like, fuck, you know, it's like, okay, so you got to write the songs and you got to record them and make them fucking awesome. And then you got to make sure you're

doing TikTok and like all like keeping up on the stuff. Are you TikToking? I, you know, I have an account. It's, I usually post like videos of my dogs and cause they're hilarious, but I'll, I'll put some music on there from time to time. I don't like feeling like I have to do it. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's like another like fuck okay fine you know the reluctant it feels desperate i think what i don't like about those things is like i want to come by those honestly like if i really feel like there's something funny i want to share it's great because it's natural but i also don't like seeing all of the desperation on there like somebody caught a wave and then they keep trying to recreate that wave over and over. And it's like, oh, man, that's that's what you got, huh?

You got that one video with the goat and you keep posting the goat videos. Goats are funny. But what else do you got? You know, like that's sort of where I feel a little disheartened by that stuff. Well, it's it's the good aspect of no one curating things. The good aspect of not having executives in charge is that people fuck up and they do things that aren't entertaining or they're needy or whatever. But that's just part of the thing.

Some people are awesome at it. Some people just have a brain that's so well suited to performing in social media right right and i and i love those accounts you know and so yeah that's the upside and and just sometimes like you know like the things you're into like falconry you could just follow all that shit i think the most amazing owls with a lot of artists there's the the you want to create but then you want to be recognized for your creations and then you're trying to figure out how do i get recognized more and what do i have to do and then you have to do things you don't want to do like

social media so i i had a i had a show in chicago a couple months ago september yeah and chicago used to be a really big market for me and And honey, honey, like we used to just crush it. And like what's happening now is so like you get you get the word out about your shows through social media or, you know, radio, if that's if whoever listens to the radio and then the promoters that are promoting the show are using the same tools that you are. and then the promoters that are promoting the show are using the same tools that you are and so i went to like you have to pay to boost your posts on instagram but you also have to be approved before you pay for the boost so i had like a flyer about my show in chicago and i got denied to boost it to geo target the area and i don't know why so i couldn't like like did you post any covid stuff no i hadn't hadn't in a while maybe like i stopped talking about shit like i like this is probably where i'm gonna get in trouble because i've been like but i um no it wasn't anything like that. And but you did before.

I think I posted one thing that was I can't remember, but it was like a logical thing about the vaccine of like, well, if I can still get COVID and spread COVID, why do I need the vaccine? I think that's all you need to do to get really list. But there's but there's other other cities where I've been able to geo target and boost my post. So for some reason, it just wouldn't let me. Maybe it's Lori Lightfoot. Maybe she's blocked you from promoting. Anyway, it was just, yeah, you know what? You're probably right. I don't know what the fuck the behind-the-scenes stuff is.

Elon posted on Twitter that people that have had their accounts removed and they're trying to get them back, they're not going to be able to do it for a while because they're going through the code. Right. They're trying to figure, they brought in a bunch of Tesla engineers to go over the code.

That's crazy. It's amazing. Bringing in rocket scientists to fix Twitter. But apparently during this time, the content moderation really hasn't changed. It's the same sort of algorithm that are in control of content and posts. And so a lot of people are like, God, everything's different since Elon came on board.

So he made a post like nothing has changed. We haven't changed anything about content moderation. They don't have the same people behind the scenes that they fired everybody. I saw that. Did you hear about the two guys that like trolled? Yes. That's so brilliant. Like that's the kind of that's the kind of you know tiktok shit i want to see like really really innovative they were employees

i gotta get home to my husband and my wife no but it was like they had some sort of name that was like a haywood you blow me or something like they put their names together and it was it was something like that like exactly yeah i love that shit well it's just it's a fun time to goof on people because so many people are so goddamn serious and stupid wow and here we are here we are being serious and stupid yeah we're not contributing we're just we're just droning on and on about the same but that's life. Yeah. Life's good, though. In its simplest form.

Like, the littlest things. When you said you, like, retooled your career, like, what did you do? I'm retooling it now. What are you doing? Well, I'm making new music and taking more control from the actual recording side of things. So I don't need to depend on other people to make music like I can do it on my own did you and Gary record Midnight Rider so I well yes but no I I recorded the track with Elijah Ford and JJ Johnson his drummer and bass player who are fucking awesome and you know Gary's working on his record right now so I don't want to bother him too much

but I we like made track, which is awesome. I could play you what we have, but I really just want to send it to you in its full form. But Gary really likes it. So he's just going to add his stuff to it, which is going to be epic. And no pressure, Gary, but we've talked about it in public now. And, you know, no pressure, Gary, but we've talked about it in public now. Well, when you guys did that, that one night that we went out, it was who put together that party? Some liquor company?

Jameson. Jameson. Yeah. So we went out. It was like, what is like a Monday or a Tuesday in downtown L.A.? Something like that. Like midnight in this small place. And you guys and Gary on stage and you're singing the lyrics off your phone because you don't know the lyrics.

I didn't know. Well, I knew the first verse and then the other. Yeah, anyway, I got a lot of shit for that. Well, the people thought you were reading your text messages. Who the fuck would do that? That's so dumb. Yeah, well, who the fuck would sing a song that they literally haven't practiced ever

and then do it that way? You guys did did but it was amazing it was such a great version it was fun and gary's sound is so distinctive like you hear a riff and you're like oh that's gary clark jr he's the best and he's such a great magic yeah i love gary i love watching he's a magic person yeah he special. Yeah, there's people that are just magic. They just have a thing and it just works. And he's so cool and so calm and so fucking talented. And when he starts playing, that sound is, it's just amazing to me that someone can take a guitar, and so many people play guitar, but when he plays the guitar, it's him. Oh, yeah.

It's his sounds coming through that guitar and you can tell almost immediately but also like his voice is incredible like it is beautiful and he can sing so many in so many different ways like it's i did a couple shows with him last year and it was just i loved watching him play and the whole band. He's got a great band. The whole thing is put together so well. And it's really fun to watch. It's exciting that he's here. This is his hometown.

Yeah. I remember talking to him before the COVID thing when he moved back. He moved back before COVID. He moved here. He's like, man, I just can't do it. Oh, from LA? Yeah. They've been back for a while, I think. Yeah.

He's like, I just can't do this place anymore. Same. It got dark. Like, once again, Joe, thanks for encouraging me to move to Austin because my whole life changed in so many incredible ways. But I didn't know how bad LA.A. was until I left. And, I mean, it was getting bad when I was there. Like, I was chasing people out of my yard.

Like, I lived in Silver Lake, and it was just dangerous. And then just on top of that, like, this collective angst that you just couldn't, you could not get away from. Yeah, the collective angst was the scariest thing to me because it's like so many people had adopted it yeah and it seemed like the tone that's the weird thing about traveling is you get to see the tone of a city like tom cigar was just talking about um toronto and that he was in toronto a few months back where people still had to wear fucking masks it's crazy still that's so crazy they had a mask mandate he's like this is insane

and then he went back to toronto after the mask mandate. He's like, this is insane. And then he went back to Toronto after the mask mandate. And he's like, you could feel like this is like lifted something off of people. Well, I mean, you know, when you moved here, like, wasn't Austin only locked down for like three months? And then they were just back up and running. Yeah. Pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just a more logical approach. And the problem is there was so much pushback against that logical approach that was incorrect. So many people were saying, you're going to kill us all. Right. Right. Not true. you know, intellectual integrity. I was like, what are like, what thoughts are my own? Like in LA, like every, it's such an echo chamber of like flagrant emotions and, um, angst, like we said. And so like, I just like, I mean, I didn't realize it until I left. Like I was just suffocated and, uh, even, even creatively, like I didn't write the whole year of COVID. I didn't write one song, which is like I write all the time. What did you do? I love to write. Honestly, I really worked on myself.

I meditated and was reading all the books and having my dark nights of the soul. Sometimes that's good too, though. It was hardcore. I was in a very low place very very low and um for like in the best way because I just I mean like I was there for almost 20 years I was there for 18 years save for two years in Nashville and I mean you know, I came here to visit you and see you guys perform at Stubbs. And then I was like, I really like this place. And I expected to be lonely for a while. Like, I really thought, like, it would be like when I moved to L.A. Like, I didn't have good friends for, like, two years. Like, I didn't find my friends, the kind of people I like, you know. uh the kind of people i like you know and it like just from the jump i was just making all these friends and then i met nick three weeks here and it was just it was beautiful i i was like freedom i just got to live again in a way that is very natural to my person and and you

know just the things i'm into well we're just very lucky that there's a place like this that exists that you could go that was different. Yeah. That people weren't encaptured with that fucking angst that LA and fucking the fog. I mean, you still have it here, but it's not, it's in these little pockets. It's cute. It's cute. You see people walking down the street with a mask on.

I'm like, aw, look at you. I was at a grocery store in a neighborhood the other day and there was like 10 people with masks on in the grocery store. And I was like, what the fuck's going on here? It's the Democrats MAGA hat. Oh, my God. That's what it is. They're letting you know. I'm on the good team.

Oh, my God. That's what it is. And they don't want to take it off because it's an identity point. The thing is, I have empathy for people's fear. Like, I almost want to be like, it's going to be okay. You know? Like, I want to hug them. Be like, hey, you're going to be fine.

But it's not just their fear. It's an identity thing. It's a flag. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, they're wearing a flag on their face. But I've also had, like, a ton of people wear their masks and be totally fine talking to me like not offended yeah you know that that part's always funny to me like if you have a mask on and they're

like giving you the the look of like why aren't you wearing one well if you have one then you should be fine well it's also it's like at this point what the fuck are you not listening at all you're not reading anything you're not paying attention at all you know i i mean one of the reasons why i got really into fiction recently and i've been reading all these uh the gray man books and all these fiction books it's because it's escapism yeah of course the the non-fiction that i was reading was fucking terrifying i got deep into that the real anthony fauci book i was like i gotta put i told you about that down nick and i talked about it when we went to that dinner with jordan peterson and i started getting into it i was like oh my god yeah and undeniable facts this is this is not like you gotta take

breaks from that yeah yeah that book is long as fuck and filled with horrific details yes yes it is but but listen i don't think non-fiction is just escapism. Like nonfiction reinvigorates your vocabulary, your own creativity. It gives you a boost of a story, you know. And I actually use that as like if I'm really depressed or I'm super anxious and I can't hold a thought, I set a timer and I make myself read a book for like 20 minutes. And I mean, it's almost instant that I snap out of whatever funk I was in, but it's very grounding.

It's not a device. It's not an electronic device. And I just love to learn, even if it's a fictional story. I think it's very healthy. Well, it's good to absorb other people's ideas. It's good to absorb other people's writing, their work. You get a part of their perspective through their work, too.

It's not just the facts. I like both. I like fiction just for, I don't want to think about reality. I just want to get carried away by a story. Right. But I also like nonfiction. It's just like, the problem was that the nonfiction I was leaning into was all just, it just filled me with dismay. Sure.

And anger. Yeah, you've got to bounce it out. That book is frustrating. It's tough. The real Anthony Fauci is frustrating. I actually haven't finished it because I was starting to get really depressed. It's fucking depressing. When they get to the part where they were experimenting with HIV vaccines on foster kids.

Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. And yeah, it's airtight. It's all airtight. You can't dispute it. It's irrefutable. I know.

The problem is people want to paint Robert Kennedy Jr. as a conspiracy theorist. Like, you go ahead and do that. But there's a reason why he's not getting sued for that book. Yeah. It's because they have all of the citations. Right. It's all documented. And it's not even politics. He's a lifelong Democrat. Like there's no like two ways around that book. It's tough. But again, like, you know, there's that like anybody like could could just you could just lose yourself and all that stuff. And it's like this balance of like, I want to know about that stuff, but I also don't

want to like lose my fucking mind, you know? Cause it's, cause you can, it's so dark. Well, a lot of people go from that to the next one, to the next one, to the next one. And if you just only look for corruption and just horrible abuses of power. There's so many examples of it. And you could, you could really think that this is affecting your life more even so than it is because it's your primary focus. Yeah. Yeah.

You'd go crazy. Yeah. No, I take lots of breaks. Yeah. So I'm into this whole Greek mythology and also Norse gods. I read American gods, Neil Gaiman's book that they made a TV show about it. But it's really it's really actually, you know, kind of ironic because it's about the old gods versus the new gods. And the new gods are like the god of TV and the gods of cell phones and like, you know and technology. What is it? I mean, it's a fictional book about gods living among us,

but the old gods have lost their, like they're dying because no one cares about them anymore. What are the old gods? Chivalry? No, no. I mean, it's like they use actual gods. Norse gods. Yeah, Norse gods like Odin and stuff like that.

But is he Odin? They give him like gods. Norse gods. Yeah, Norse gods like Odin and stuff like that. But is he Odin? They give him another name. But it's really like, I don't know. I just love like archetype kind of comparisons and, you know, just as something that I don't know why I'm drawn to it. But I really enjoyed that book and it had this great quote that i think is neil gaiman's own words which is um every hour wounds the last one kills and it's like man that's that's fucking good that's a little depressing it's pretty depressing every hour every hour wounds the last one kills.

Okay. I know, we're going to be okay. Jesus, are we? I mean, overall, it's pretty good. And the show's pretty good. It has Ian McShane, who's one of my favorite actors. But anyway. What's that on?

It's on... Oh, yeah. Is it good? I've enjoyed it. I haven't finished the show but it's pretty good okay there's too many fucking things to watch there's too many things to watch yeah you could gotta make a list that's the thing that happened during covid right it's like so many people caught up on so many different everything yeah this this is an unprecedented time for entertainment. Oh, sure. But it's just so much of it, unfortunately, is very limited.

I try to, like, I get kind of anxious when I watch too much TV because I need to, like, do other things with my brain. Yeah. Recently started doing puzzles. Really? Yeah. Like regular puzzles? Like a thousand-piece puzzle, which is, it's a lot of work.

But like, started the puzzle, couldn't stop thinking about it. I'm like doing other things, going to the gym, can't stop thinking about that puzzle. I got to get back to it. I got to finish that thing. I've never had that problem. Super weird. I look at puzzles and I'm like, this is stupid. No, I love it.

You feel that way too, Jamie? It's like, it's medical. You don't? No, there's a cool cool there's a couple i think if there's one big youtube channel this guy like buys the most expensive puzzle you can find yeah and it's be like this block you're like well how the do you open this and he'll spend five hours trying to figure out how to open it and show you the whole thing yeah great fast forwards past all the boring but like it's it's interesting okay that's a different kind of puzzle right that's yeah but she's saying to like uh all blue like they'll know it's uh all the puzzle pieces are the same

shape basically they cut them the exact same oh my god so it's like impossible to figure out oh now that that would break my brain but also i want to know about it yeah i skipped ahead the jigsaw stuff it's meditative and you know you can also like listen to a podcast and do it like there's something about there's some sort of reward in putting it together when it's a mess and organizing it and you know it's a good well it's a strategy for Nick and I to like we do it together because there's like a there's a project oriented bonding thing. Right. You're working together for a goal. Yeah, but I really enjoy it. It's supposed to be an exercise, but I was like, when are we getting another puzzle?

I fucking love this shit. When you write, if you write music, do you have a process that you go through? Do you just have a thought in your head when you're writing a song? Do you sit aside and say, I'm going to write from 9 a to 11am? Like, how do you do it? Both of those things. The more you stick to a schedule and like, keep chipping away at a song, the better and better it gets. And then the easier it gets, like, if I'm actively working on lyrics, as well as instrumental,

it all starts to like piece together. And sometimes old ideas from years ago that I've saved, I'll like Frankenstein a song together and it'll make sense. Kind of like a fucking puzzle. Oh my God. Did we just have a eureka moment? Yeah, we did. But yeah, I mean, the process is just to keep doing it you know and

sometimes i'll get the lyrics for a song i was working on when i'm driving in my car and i have to you know voice record them um because it it can also be kind of haunting because i'll have it stuck in my head um like a song i'm working on and and then like i'll be like half awake in the morning and it'll i'll be like singing it in my head and it it feels like until it's done just like this puzzle oh my god like i can't it's like in the back of my mind like it has to be finished like you have to keep going like you have to finish that um so it it'll keep me up at night sometimes, but, um, yeah, it's, it's like a responsibility to keep doing it. So, uh, my process is to keep doing it just to write.

So you don't have like very specific methods. You don't have like a, I am going to sit down at 9 a.m and have a cup of coffee yeah i i've been i do that i do that you know and and it's really good for you know me and my husband because he's a writer and he works from home so like he goes to his area i go to mine and like um there's creative energy in the house yeah yeah and it's motivating too because like i know he's doing something amazing and i'm like well i want to do something amazing too yeah but um that's also great about that kind of environment oh i love it i love it standards are higher yeah and

he's just so beautiful creatively intellectually like books he's always giving me books like suze you'd love this and like you know i i love his brain like he's always giving me books. Like, Suze, you'd love this. And like, you know, I love his brain. Like he's just so generous with everything he knows about, which is, I think, a very special quality. You know, like he's not a dick about it. Like he wants to share. Yeah. And I always want to learn.

But, you know, I'm learning this new program. I'm learning Logic, which is like Pro Tools. And that's been a different approach to writing because I'm building these tracks, which is really fun. And then I'm writing the lyrics and the melodies to the tracks I've built, which I don't normally do it like that. I kind of like sit down and figure it out with my guitar. So I'm kind of writing like pop songs right now, which I'm not sure if they're for me or for others, but I enjoy the process. What do you mean by you're not sure if they're for you or for others? Because I can write songs for other people.

Do you do that often? Not often, but it's something I'm starting to do, which is really fun. That's what Sia did for a long time. She was writing these hit songs, and she also had Zero Seven, which is a band from I think the 90s. And her own solo stuff, which was amazing. But like she like exploded after she'd written a bunch of hit songs for other artists, which I always thought was cool. So when you're writing these pop songs, are you writing them thinking, don't know even know if this is for me you just just creating you know i'm just i'm just trying to get the idea out there like i try not to um pepper it with an outcome because then it kind of feels like it's um

i don't know i just it doesn't feel like the right place for me to come from when I'm making something. Like I just want to formulate the idea and have it be beautiful and, you know, best as I can. And you're just not even sure if it's for you. Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. How would you know, though? Like if you're writing it and you're performing it and you're creating it, and you're like, maybe this isn't even for me. Like what gives you that feeling?

Is it that it's, is it that it doesn't fit with your image? Is it that? Maybe it's that, maybe it's like, I'll bet somebody else could really sell this, you know? Cause then it becomes, you know, it depends. Like, I don't even know what my image is to be honest with you. And I think that's probably, yeah. Like that's, I mean, I don't know. I was image is, to be honest with you. That's probably good. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I was going to say that's half the problem for me is you can never fit me into a box. And that's always been difficult. People just say I play Americana music. But I play rock and roll.

And I also love synthesizers and all the stuff and soul music. And I don't know. I think that's better. I think, I mean, some of my favorite artists, like, they're so different from album to album. Like, Sturgill's a great example. He's great. He's so different from album to album. He flips people on their head.

Like, what the fuck is he doing now? But he also has the, I mean, he, that, the big record, you know, the first one, like he has that, that malleability to be able to do that, you know? I mean, I guess everybody does. You can make whatever kind of music you want. Yeah. You know? But he, you know, what he does is he goes off grid and he got rid of his phone and he has one of them simple phones now. Fuck yeah, that's awesome.

All you can do is text him and it's only green. He can't get links. It's only green. He didn't get links. I've wanted to do that. I probably will at some point. He's serious about it. He's pretty disciplined about it too.

I think Jack White does that too. I heard once that, I mean this is hearsay, that he doesn't even have a cell phone. I think he just has email. But, you know, that's the new punk rock, I guess. Well, there's a lot of people out there that are realizing that your brain is being captured by all these different things that are on your device. And it does occupy a lot of your time.

Yes. Yes, it does. My phone broke once when I was in Hawaii. We went to Lanai and I dropped my phone and it just started calling people randomly. Like, like, like you'd hang up on it to call a new person hang up and call no and i was like look at this this is nuts and so i realized it was broken so i had to get a new phone but we were on lanai and it took like three or four days to ship it to to me yeah so i ordered it and in three days no phone how was that i'm on

vacation it was amazing yeah it's like i have this like giant weight, but I, meanwhile, I couldn't wait to get back to prison. Oh yeah. To mental prison and get that phone and that Stockholm syndrome. Check all the texts that I got that don't mean anything. Like falling in love with your captor. Once again, Greek tragedy. Once again. Yeah. The, the, the little dopamine rush that you get from checking text messages and emails. I always feel so dirty with that like oh look at all those likes i got and i feel good about myself damn it yeah the likes that's that's a real real fucking carrot at the end of the stick you know what i did enjoy and i try to like but like when i posted photos from my wedding, that was actually really cool. Just like all the love and support.

And then like, yeah. And, and just, it wasn't about, uh, you know, my career or anything. It was about like the most important thing in my life.

And that was cool. That's actual life. Yeah. That's what those things are supposed to be for. Sharing actual real moments with people you actually care about. The problem with social media is that it's intoxicating and people get drunk off of it and they just want to be just dosed yeah all throughout the day well i mean man i'll tell you what i am so worried about our kids like we grew up with our own stuff, right? Like I grew up in the 90s and like, you know, you would compare yourself to a magazine or something or like the popular girls at school or whatever the fuck. And now like every reflection of your face is on something that you can manipulate and look better on your phone.

And you can you can change like your bone structure. I mean, all that stuff. Like what a mind fuck of complexes and you know also just like your attention span we were uh i was talking with the guys outside about um spelling you know that uh we're just suited up for so many bad spellers and you know because you have your autocorrect on your phone and you don't really write things out like on a piece of paper with a pencil or a pen. And, you know, those are call me a traditionalist. But one of the things that people realized about like A.I. and recognizing problem words and flagging things, if you're writing cursive, A.I. doesn't pick that up. Oh, nice. So people are writing in cursive and then taking a photograph of that thing and then posting that. So you could post messages about certain things.

I always write in cursive for the most part. Do you really? Mm-hmm. I journal a lot. I love it. When I write somebody a card, it's cursive. It's not as neat as I would like it to be, but it's cursive. Yeah.

Yeah. It's exciting. It's old school, old timey writing. The calligraphy of today. I know this sounds crazy, but I have to pee. I have to pee too. Yeah. It's exciting. It's old school, old timey writing. The calligraphy of today. Yeah. I know this sounds crazy, but I have to pee. I have to pee too. Okay.

So let's pee and then we'll come back. Let's play some music. Okay, great. All right. We'll be right back. Do you want to hear some music? Sure. So I told you I was going to play these songs that I haven't recorded or released.

So this might be the only place you could hear them. Okay. But I think I'm going to record them. Okay. Okay. You tell me this is a dream But I'm grinding my teeth And spilling my cup in the backseat

And pulling your hair You drive too slow Cause you don't care if we get there Will we ever get there? Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted From you Want it from you

From you You want me to go to sleep And make things easy on you But I'm not tired anyway And I don't want to waste a day Or make your mistakes Or make your mistakes Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out

And lose your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted I can't take the question marks and quiet You can run me down like a riot Anything but the silence from you From you Sometimes I just wish that you would spin out And lose your mind cause it's honest And it's all I ever wanted. I can't take the question marks and quiet. You can run me down like a riot. Anything but the silence from you.

From you From you From you New guy, kind of 90s rock. Oh, I get it. You want to hear another one? Yeah. Okay. New or old? Whatever.

Okay. Whatever you want to play. What did it cost? What did it cost? Losing your head again Watching your goodness end You're punching concrete Flesh and stone meet Your beautiful body heart Running from open arms

Come and sit with me now. Let my love settle you down. I'll pour you down I'll give it all to you If you want me to I know what you paid You paid it in space Pain like a hurricane Ruthless and devastated Hurricane, ruthless and devastating. But you're upright and well, since crawling through hell.

Time wounds us almost days It heals us in different ways Come and rest with me now now Let my love settle you down I'll give it all to you If you want me to If you want me to

If you want me too If you want me too What does it feel like when a song's over? I don't know. I mean, it's for you and whoever wants to hear it.

Yeah, it's weird because I only played that for my husband and a friend of mine. So it's kind of scary, I guess, because they're just little baby songs I just finished. So they might change. I don't know. It's just, I don't know. I try not to be too precious about it. I don't know I try not to be too precious about it like

that's delicious I don't know I guess it's vulnerable you know like so that's kind of scary do you ever think

it would have you have who you would have been if you didn't discover music? Oh, yeah. I would have been living in Cleveland selling pizza and spaghetti at my family's restaurant. Do you ever think about that? It's tough.

Because there's things that happen in our lives, and you get into that thing, and then it changes who you are. Well, you know, I was a teen model, and then I was an actor, and I was a working actor. And I had, like, I lived in New York, and I moved to L.A. when I was almost 20. And I was doing pretty well in New York. And then when I got to L.A., I had to get to the back of the line of the acting world. And my love for it had changed into desperation because I wanted to work. I needed money. And so when I think about if I'd stayed in New York,

I feel like I might have done really well as an actor for a little while. Who knows? But I don't know what kind of person I would have become. Because music is such a it's so different like when you're acting like you are employed by a company and a director and a writer and and all and all the things that like you embody the thing but it's not necessarily yours in a way you know like music is is personal it's uh therapeutic it's um Music is personal. It's therapeutic. It's a sincere outlet, you know, that is healthy in a lot of ways. So I always wondered, like, man, would I have been a total dick if I had made it as an actor?

Right. But, um, yeah, it's weird. What about you? What do you, like, if you didn't do comedy, if you, if you weren't acting when you were younger,

like, I'd be a mess. Love watching you on news radio, by the way. It's so fun. It's so fun. I'm like, that's my friend.

And, and like my daughter loves it. Like, she's like, make sure you tell Joe how much we love news radio. It's so weird to see a young me. You were great. It's so fun. And that, that show was funny. It was a news radio. It's so weird to see a young me. You were great. It's so fun.

And that show was funny. It was a good show. It was really good. Spoiled me for sure. I went from being on a really bad show to being on that show. What was the other show? It was called Hardballs on Fox.

Started off really good, really good writers. Yeah. These guys who wrote for The Simpsons. They wrote for Married With Children. And it was that classic story of the network getting involved and ruining it and putting on a hack executive producer

who had done a bunch of hacky sitcoms, like really clunky, shitty sitcoms. Yeah. And he just wasn't very good, and there was a lot of talented people on the show. That's such a tough thing as an actor, too, because a job's a job. You want to, it's like, do you want to do that? Or do you want to bartend? But then do you want to like,

does that torpedo your career for a future, you know, like it's just such a roll of the dice. I didn't have any aspirations. So I was extremely, it was just luck. It was a hundred percent luck. Like I didn't take any acting lessons. I wasn't an actor. No, I wasn't an actor at all. percent luck like I didn't take any acting lessons I wasn't an actor no I wasn't an actor at all yeah but you have that bold spirit that's like gonna take risks so like that is what an actor is like you're not like I mean obviously like I'm sure you kept learning more about it as you did it but like you know like committing to this story that's in front of you and like becoming this thing like yeah well my point was that it wasn't something that i was interested in doing it was something that was offered to me total you

were also doing comedy yes okay i was doing stand-up first right and that's how i got a development deal cool and they made me go to an acting coach in new york i went like a couple of times but it was very i didn't enjoy it it was it just felt weird yeah you know and it's just like i felt like the kind of acting if you're talking about like daniel day lewis acting yeah that is really fucking hard but if you're talking about me playing a dumb ass on tv like i can do that i know how to perform it's like not much different than stand-up it's like a next-door neighbor of stand-up because you're doing in front of live crowd, and you're interacting with other people that are really funny. Not that hard.

It's just different. You just gotta get used to doing it. And I think the only way you really get used to doing it is if you're doing it with other people. In acting class, like I was taking, I just don't know how effective that was. But the point is it's like, when I was doing it, it wasn't something I wanted to do, and it was terrible.

The show was terrible. We all knew it was terrible. The show was terrible. We all knew it was terrible. And then because of all the aforementioned problems that they had with it. And then right after that, that show gets canned and then I get on news radio. And I'm like, oh my God, this is like the greatest show. How many seasons did you do? Five seasons. That's amazing.

Yeah. We did four with Phil Hartman and one with John Lovitz. And did that set up your life? Like you could set up your life? Like, you could set up your finances? Not really, no. No, because I was a moron and I spent every dollar I earned. Copy that.

Isn't that such a thing? I feel like they should teach. Like, no one taught me about money either. I had to learn the hard way. And that sucks. Like, that's such a valuable skill set to have. One thing it did did it gave me freedom like because i had some money i didn't worry about not having any money for food or rent or shit like that which is like the real heavy expense the heavy thing over people's head is

like their credit card debt whatever debt they have and i remember when i first started making money the first thing that i noticed was the lightness of like life had a lightness to it because the stress of bills were off i was like wow how much is that weight you're carrying around your shoulders all the time because it felt like like physically i felt like a weight was lifted off of me of course yeah um that is like sometimes too like that's like a spiritual practice too like you have to get out of that struggle mindset because like think about like people that win the lottery and then spend it all in six months and go right back to where they were. Like it is it's energy, you know, and it's acceptance and having a really interesting relationship with yourself and what you view as needs.

You know, like you think you need, like, I need that car. I need this blah, blah, blah. I need it. You know, all the shit that you really don't at all. Mostly it's nonsense. Nonsense. Mostly nonsense. You can enjoy some things that you like.

The idea that you don't enjoy, like, physical things, like a piece of art, like this thing. Like, I enjoy this thing, this physical thing. Obviously, because it's art but even you know there's stuff that people enjoy about wealth but it's generally not worth the amount of effort that you have to apply to get those things what really is valuable is the things that you enjoy that make you happy whether it's fly fishing or whether it's fucking, yeah, whatever, whatever your thing is, like the, the only thing that's going to make you happy is doing that thing.

Right. The other stuff that comes with it, like the money and stuff like that is like, that can become a problem of its own for some people. Cause you start concentrating only on that and making more of that. And what do I have to do to maximize that? And then that becomes a primary focus as opposed to like, what you what you actually enjoy doing well and you and you know these people right the people that like they're very unhappy yeah like that is a lifestyle that is uh uh perpetual um agony almost in some ways like it's just like it's i i don't know like you outgrow it and then

you're like what are you going to be like that old guy who's like you know on his boat with all the women you know like i am where does it go where do you go does it go to the south of france with a diamond encrusted watch and you know you're showing everybody what you have like what are you doing well there's that contemplate your death thing again. It's nice to set up your family and make sure everybody's okay and provided for, and it is freedom, but also it'll tear families apart. Money will ruin people. It's a very fickle thing.

It certainly can, and the access to it. Family money, if there's some dude who owns some oil company and he's dying and all the family starts fighting over how much you know they're trying to get closer to dad and you know you know what she's been saying behind your back and like what that cunt yeah no it's ugly and sad and yeah people are nuts when when when it comes to money and i've seen it with the saddest ones are when someone dies and like the family's fighting with the boyfriend of the person who died or the girlfriend.

It's like, Jesus Christ. They're squabbling over money. And they have lawyers involved and lawyers are looking out for their best interests or everybody's trying to get a piece. There's like that middle road for me of, because I've had my whole life like you know except for now which is so new for me in a way um but like feast or famine like music is like you

get a record deal and and it's never even feast it's like you get like 30 grand and you live in LA and that's and you have to split it and you get 10.99 right so like none of that works like that it all sucks um I mean like when I was in Honey Honey we would do months and months and months of touring and I would come back in the hole because like it costs so much money to be out there and then

you know but you're like having this great experience and you're spreading your work and you get to do your work and you know you still like you're not starving but like you don't have your own and you get to do your work um and you know you still like you're not starving but like you don't have your own apartment you know it's it's really interesting um and i had to work like really hard like you know emotionally and spiritually on my relationship with my struggle as an artist like um and then like getting over it uh when I toured with Hosier, I was in his band, and that was the first time in my life. I made really nice money in that band, and it set me up for my record, and it was the first time I really didn't worry.

That was only three years ago. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But. You and, you know, and Honey Honey together particularly gave me real insight into how difficult it is to make in the music business. Because I always thought you just had to be talented.

Mm-mm. It's. And it's just, it's weird what catches and what doesn't catch. Because I remember the first time I saw you guys, I'm like, are gonna be fucking huge you know what though there's so many different rewards with it where it's like um like we've made so many great friends i've made so many wonderful friends i have these beautiful relationships with my extended family that i would never see if i weren't a touring musician like my cousins cousins in Atlanta, who I love so much, I would never have a relationship with these people

if I didn't see them a couple times a year. And they're wonderful. And like there's all these other rewards. And there are a lot of people that notice it, that notice like, oh, man, I see you. I see what's going on here. And then there's other people that think that, like, my life is glamorous or something. Like, you have the absolute wrong idea.

The music business is very hard. There's kings, right? There's, like, the Gary Clarks. Yeah, he's a king for sure. There's kings. But he's a good king. He's a great king. He's one of the good ones.

He's one of the good ones. Yeah. He's one of the best ever. Agreed. He's, you know, there's Roger Waters. You know, there's people that can just like sell everything everywhere and then roger like came up in a very different time when like yeah even if you weren't pink floyd and you weren't roger like you could still make a ton of

money in some ways like depending on who you were and what kind of music you were playing you know with like one song. Because records would sell. Because people paid for it. And you would get the money for it. Yeah. That changed everything. That was the number one thing that enhanced some people's appreciation for music and killed record sales. All in one thing.

It's a very double edged sword, Spotify. Well, it was way before that. It was really Napster. Yeah, Napster. Napster was free. I used to download all that shit and then fry my Dell computer with viruses because you'd get a clue on what's the new download service. I remember all these tricks to override my computer so I could just burn that CD.

Wow. Yeah, I remember the Napster days and I remember like having like a personal agreement with myself that if I got something from Napster and it was good, I'd go buy the CD.

Yeah. So I'd make a personal agreement. That's nice. Well, I just felt gross because here I am, I'm on television and I've got Napster. Yeah.

I'm getting stuff for free. That's gross. So I just... Well, and you, but you're an artist so you know the difference. But also, P.S., like, if there's someone that can't afford my music and they want to hear it, like, please listen to it. Like, you know, like, it's, at this point, some of it feels like an act of service.

And I'm not mad at that. Like, I love to play music for people. It's my favorite thing in the world. Like, it really is. And I keep getting better at it. So why would I stop, you know, and like, I keep learning new things about, you know, my violin or, you know, my banjo. And like, I picked up my banjo for the first time recently, and I forgot how much I loved it, you know, and I used to play that thing every night. You know, it's just kind of, at this point, Right. You know, it's just kind of at this point in terms of artistic commodities and like monetizing this stuff, like.

What I really care about is is the human experience of of that moment when you're having that connection and you're sharing this thing like I have these I have these gifts right like I'm gonna call it that and and like they're meant to be shared whether it's in my living room or in front of thousands and thousands of people and I've done I've done both and it's great yeah the nature of it it's meant to be shared and so like you know extracting my ego from my expectations of what I thought it was going to be like, or like, I have no idea. I have no idea what the world's going to be like. I mean, like, look at the last couple of years. Did any of us like anticipate? We're on the brink of a nuclear war.

Oh, of course. A hundred percent. Nobody talks about that. Nobody talks about that. Nobody talks about the Nord Stream pipeline and all the shit and like, oh my God. This is a wild time. That's what I mean. Like any chance I can have quality time with my friends and my family. Tony, I think we got that out of COVID at the very least. Like if we can remember what it was like in the beginning days, because in the beginning

days when everything was shutting down and we didn't know how long it was going to last and whether or not anything would come back to normal again, there was this importance of what actually matters, your loved ones, the people you care about. Like I had to resign myself to never doing standup again. I was like, okay, I guess that's over. I guess standup's over. Same, did I tell you about when I was quarantined

with my parents for five weeks in South Carolina in a gated community? I would go for walks every night and just cry. But like everybody's so friendly yeah so i'd be like hi how are you so i thought my life was over yeah and then i was trying to find all my gratitude of like man i had so much fun and i and i did and i do but like you know, it's having the experiences that I got to have as a musician, man, what a treat. Yeah, for sure. And, like, again, I still get to have them as long as I can.

And, you know. Yeah, you're really fucking good at it. That show that you put on here at that private club was amazing. Aw, thanks. I thought I did a terrible job that night. No, you were great. I don't get that much opportunity to see live music

even though it's here all the time. You gotta do it. There's so many great people in town. I have to for my own head, too. You should go to Seaboys sometime or Continental Club. Yeah, I heard Continental Club's shit. All good. I'd like to go to that. Jimmy Vaughn plays at seaboys a bunch oh yeah stevie ray's brother and he's great and he's friends with gary you know

gary last summer brought brought us on to blues on the green which was like we played in front of like 30 000 people and it was so fun he's so great but But Jimmy played, I played, a couple other folks played. And it was just like the community here is spectacular. It's so different from L.A. It's different from New York. It's different from Nashville. There's no like song machine industry here like in L.A. and New York. It's its own thing it's really what willie and all the like highwaymen like yeah it's maintained its integrity it's beautiful i i'm

so grateful to be a part of it and like i want to give all my best qualities to this city musically like i'm i'm so pumped to be here as a musician it's fucking great i feel the same way about comedy yeah comedy here yeah comedy here is very exciting well you brought a bunch of people with you didn't you like you kind of redefined it like what was it before you came back or you got here like a little scene they had a little scene but when we decide yeah sure when we decided to come here it 100 changed everything we uh when we came here yeah, sure, when we decided to come here, it 100% changed everything. When we came here, you know, we brought... Well, I was talking about your pastel cartel.

Is that what you want? Yeah. I want some of this, too. Maybe. Maybe one hit before I get stupid. Thanks. The pastel is calling you, huh? A little bit.

There's this meme of me and Theo Vaughn. He's so funny. He's the best. We were doing vapes. And I go, how addictive is that thing? He goes, very addictive. And there's like a thing where like people use that. And it's a voiceover.

So they lip sync to it. Doing all kinds of things. That conversation with Theo and I talking about vape pens. He's so funny. You got some fun friends. I love Tony. Theo's moving here. Is he really?

Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. So Tom Segura, Christina Pazitsky, Tony Hinchcliffe, Derek Poston, David Lucas, Hans Kim, William you know Ron White oh great Duncan Trussell no shit yeah they all live here now I mean we got a

fucking army of so fun hitters yeah these shows we were doing we're doing one at the Vulcan tonight I'm doing the Creek in the Cave tomorrow we've been doing these shows

they're fucking fun as shit it's great yeah and people are coming in from all over the world yeah to these shows that's my dream is to like coming in from all over the world to these shows. That's my dream is to like build a theater here

on the other, like the music, storytelling like with Nick, like he could write a one man show for Matthew McConaughey or something. Like, I mean, it's all like, at this point, thanks. You know, at least for me, like the old model

is just, it's like people aren't, we're not coming out to shows this last year when I was touring, I played a bunch of fun festivals. It was awesome. But you would rather have a place where you could just go all the time. Yeah. I'd love like a Largo of the South, you know,

like that, that was LA. Like Largo is, was, is, was a beautiful place. I loved when I got to play there and like all the, like there's a lot of comedy, there's a lot of comedy,

there's a lot of sketch shows and things like that. And I was a guest a lot, which was really fun. I'd get to come in and play a couple songs and then peace out. But, you know, in terms of like my family and, you know, I don't want to be away all the time. And you know, like you have to balance all that shit. And I'm at that point in my life, which is such a blessing.

Like I do not look at it as an obstacle. Like the fear-based side of me would be like, oh, God, your life is over. But the other part of me that knows what's good for me is like this is so amazing. I get to wake up with a family and great dogs. And like my mornings are so simple and beautiful and when i get to tour and when i do tour it's awesome but like like my priorities are them you're just trying to do your art and then if you could do your art locally it would be great for the most part yeah yeah that's that's our idea of uh opening up the comedy club here too right same thing right and you just like an old friend you just took a hit off that vape pen like it was an old friend

it is an old friend hello old friend i don't know this one but i like it oh it's a limited edition this is my kryptonite yeah Yeah, that nicotine gets people. Thanks, thanks, thanks. You're a good friend. It's a good shot. It sure does. It gives you like a woo. Yeah, it's an interesting little woo.

But that one in particular than other ones. It's so funny. That one is everywhere. Yeah, they're legit. Are they? I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't like its grip on me.

You said that so convincingly. I don't know. I don't know. I'll be honest with you always. Count on me for that. I do. Thanks. Oh, man.

Yeah, we're both super lucky we found the thing we do. It's a good life. It is. But again, thanks for bringing me to Austin. I'm so happy you came. You really, like. I'm so happy so many people listened to me. I was like, listen, I think we got a way out of this.

Yeah. But we got a banded ship. And it was the right call. It really was. It's a hard call, but it's an exciting call. Because when you do something new like that and you go to a new environment, it gives you a chance to sort of rethink everything. Rethink, reset. New pathways.

Re-evaluate. Everything is different. The town's different. The people are different. The vibe's different. You got a whole new sort of like reset of what your priorities are in life. Yeah. Well, man, I've never associated with the like autopilot you know

um and even if i were in a place where i i weren't doing what i do and having this kind of life like i would want to read i would want to learn a craft i would want to become a falconer you know all the things true story but i believe you but like you know re-examine my life contemplate my thoughts and and you know uh really just grow like why the fuck not right why the fuck not there's just too much life to to live and also like again like the more i stay away from my phone and all that stuff that that takes away from my um you know my own agency and my person and like just sit back and like look around like you know i'm very lucky and i'm very grateful i really am aziz ansari was talking about that on stage the other night there's a a video of it of him. He has a flip phone now. Good for him.

He's like, I got my brain back. Yeah. I got my mind back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how long are you in the bathroom in the morning when you have your phone with you? It's a lot longer than it used to be. Yeah.

Yeah. You get hemorrhoids from sitting on the toilet for too long. It's bad for you. I'll like, I'll like spirit away when I'm like, I got to pee. And I'll just be in there sitting yeah forever and

you can hear the videos or whatever I'm watching and I'll hear like I'll hear like are you watching videos in the bathroom no it's embarrassing

leave me alone it's as embarrassing as someone asking you if they woke you up yeah you're like no I'm awake I was

like you always lie always lie I was wide awake I'm wide. Like, you always lie. Always lie. I was wide awake. I'm wide awake. Well, I talk in my sleep, and so I'll have, like, I'll say something, and then I'll realize I said something,

and then I'll try to justify it. Like, I meant that. Like, what I just said. Like, nope, nope, nope, nope. You're not going to make fun of me. Talking in the sleep's a weird one. I was singing in my sleep. Really?

Out loud? Yeah, I sang in my sleep, and I woke myself up when i woke up nick and he went he was like shh and i almost went you love this song like cross like oh anyway we i talk in my sleep and then i try to make it make sense because i'm embarrassed taekwondo days i would have taekwondo dreams really kicking dreams i'd like wake up kicking sounds dangerous yeah wake up like moving very fast in the sheets yeah i was like programming my brain for taekwondo competition so i was sleeping

i was having taekwondo matches in my head it's hilarious it's true it's true i used to have kicking i'd wake up like in the middle of a kick like my whole body would be moving like i was kicking oh my god yeah while i was asleep yeah wow it was so stupid programmed yeah but that's what it is it's like you're programming yourself for something yeah well it's like the song thing like you're singing your sleep if you're thinking about your songs yeah and while you're sleeping you're singing, you're asleep. If you're thinking about your songs and while you're sleeping, you're singing. It makes sense. Totally makes sense.

Like, because you're programming your mind to create songs. I also do this thing, like, when there's a, you know, burgeoning confrontation on the horizon that needs to be had with somebody, I am having the conversation in my half sleep, like in the wee hours of the morning. And it is like this, it feels haunting. It's like, oh, fuck, I finally got to do it. I got to tell him. I got to say the thing I just have been avoiding. Like it will keep me up at night, which feels really unfair. I can't just ignore it.

It'll like kick me upside the head until I take care of it and then I sleep like a baby it's the weirdest thing it's probably a good thing though because if you could just go to sleep whenever you have like real conflicts going on if they didn't bother you enough maybe you'd never resolve them correct you know maybe that's like some people's problems they don't accept you don't learn how to accept it you don don't learn how to think about interpersonal interactions and problems and issues. I think that. Disputes.

I think that's your spirit. That's like, clean up. Yeah. Go clean up. Your place is a fucking mess. Yeah, you're creating unnecessary negativity. Yeah. There's plenty of necessary negativity out there.

Yeah. You don't need to create any unnecessary negativity. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And that's like little pieces fall in place when you have conversations, when you're with people. Like you put this there and then they put that there and then you're like, but what about this? And then the next thing you know, like a totally unnecessary dispute takes place. It's common things for humans.

Well, to be challenged is a a gift in in so many ways because like what are you going to do with that what are you going to do with that um you know conversation you don't want to have or that thing about yourself you don't like like you got to do something yeah you know because it's gonna it's gonna keep getting you and like i um you know you you get these opportunities to, like, obtain, like, a piece of wisdom if you can help it, you know. And it's always through the darker things or the things that are fucking annoying. Yeah. lineage, like my family tree and like my parents, my grandparents, my great grandparents and me,

and then, you know, my, my stepdaughter. And, you know, if we have more kids, like where I sit in this line of generational, um, personalities and habits and, and where I see the mistakes and where I want to make corrections. And it's really powerful. I mean, you really have to look at yourself and the things you don't like and the things you like or love. And it's a really defining moment lately. Like, I just feel my, again, responsibility to what is most important. And there's, like, I'm so proud to be from the family i'm from and

like the kind of people and then there's so many things i'm like oh god you know um and it feels like a real job to like heal generational wounds and bad habits and uh yeah I'm just like, because if I, whatever I can do, I want to give the best things to my children, you know? Hmm. Yeah, you're trying to be a good person. But I come from this really long line of hustlers. Like, my great-grandmother was a bookie. My great-grandfather was a bootlegger my grandfather was a bookie and a prisoner of war for two years in world war ii like he was

shot down from an airplane oh my god and like he was a waste gunner like one of the most dangerous jobs you could have and he got captured and and, and like, he survived an 82 day death march and, and like made it back home to Cleveland. And like, he married my grandmother who was an excellent cook and all the money he had from being a bookie. They, they built this, these restaurants in Cleveland with my grandma's recipes. And it's amazing. The food's so good. And it's my family legacy.

And I'm just fascinated by those people. And I feel really lucky to be their granddaughter. Yeah, that's a fascinating fucking story it's pretty wild how did he survive oh man um how did he survive the crash he parachuted out so he parachuted out and then he gets captured jesus yeah he so he never talked about his experience until he was almost 80 so he didn't tell like my even my dad, like nobody knew what my grandfather went through. And he got inspired by somebody to finally tell us what he like to tell his family. And he took a year doing voice recordings with with his sister,

I'm pretty sure it was my Aunt Rita um to tell a story and then like one day when I was in LA when I was 22 I got this book in the mail and it was his like he gave it to our family so we could all know about what his experience in World War II was and being a prisoner of war and I mean it was I mean, I was bawling. It's like makes me emotional just talking about it. Like, he had finally had this moment where he felt like it was okay to tell everybody. And it was like, very polite, and sanitized. And then like, by the end of his life, he really wanted to talk about it more and more in greater detail. But he carried one of his friends during that 82 day march, because I can't remember where they

were moving them but it was you know like you walk for 82 days like you can't stop to take a shit or pee like you just like he had dysentery he had lice like he was just he was filthy and and I like actually shortly before he died I went went to visit him and he was telling like he just wanted to talk and like tell me these things. And, you know, I remember him saying to me like and he like looked me in the eye and he was like, you do not know filth. You don't know filth. And just being like if you stop, they killed you. So you had to keep going. And one of his friends, he carried him.

And I remember this old man, because my parents used to send us to Florida in the summers where my grandparents lived. And we'd spend like two, three weeks with them. And it was awesome. But, you know, Grandpa was usually watching The Sopranos with his headphones on and doing his own thing. They were so Italian. But his old friend was all, like, I remember, I think it was, like, I don't want to butcher this, but I think it was his friend, Mr. Dragonetti.

And, like, they were friends till their very old age. And, you know, they had this experience together, this horrible experience. But like, you know, not to like ramble on unless you want to hear more about it. Like, I'm just so amazed at that sacrifice and courage and bravery and just fortune to survive and then have a life after that. And then I think about somebody posting their fucking video about working too long at starbucks and i'm like fuck you i'm sorry fuck your fucking feelings like you're gonna be fine you know people are very soft they are but there's that expression i'd love to repeat. That the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you.

Yes. Yes. And it seems like micro transgressions are a big deal if that's all you're experiencing. Yeah. But if you've been through a horrible life experience like your grandfather did, you would have a completely different perspective about what's important in life. Well, it's. Because that would be like the worst thing you could possibly imagine. Yeah. Yeah. like your grandfather did, you'd have a completely different perspective about what's important in life. Because that would be like the worst thing you could possibly imagine. Yeah, yeah.

It's just like most people's, we are very fortunate to live the way we live now. Correct. Most of our interactions with other people are peaceful. That's so rare in human history. You know, I used to feel really strongly about, and I still feel like this to a degree, but I used to feel really strongly about and I still feel like this to a degree but I used to feel really strongly about other people's experiences being really difficult for them

like what's the worst for you is the worst for you right and and being like man that must be really hard for you I'm really sorry like not sorry but like like I don't think that's a big deal but it's a big deal for you or you you know, whoever you is. And like, but at this point, like the reckless, flagrant emotions and encouragement to be soft and not like grow from your journey and learn from your suffering. Like the encouragement to exploit your suffering is so foul to me. You know, like there's a way through it's not that and like I understand that those moments like the video I was just talking about where someone's having a hard day and and complaining about you know their limited skill set in life um emotionally speaking I kind of lost my empathy

for that kind of thing like I just like we should know better than that everybody's having a hard time everybody's working

the problem is social media because that would be a normal thing that a person would do sure like fuck these hours at Starbucks and you would tell your friend

but now you're telling your friend on TikTok right and you're tagging people and people share it because it's ridiculous. Well, it becomes this convoluted thing that is very influential and

discouraging in terms of finding the way through. So, okay, what are you going to do? You're going to not work as much and then you're not going to have as much money and you're not going to be able to take care of yourself. What does that mean? Yeah, what does that mean yeah what does that mean it's so on its head but the worst thing that could happen is that something would shake us out of it the worst thing that could happen was like a world event would shake us out of it. Nuclear war? Yeah, like a nuclear war.

Like no bullshit. Like that's so possible right now. It's so possible. It's more possible than it has ever been in our lifetimes since the Cold War. There's so many different ways it's going to happen, you know? Yeah. And all of it is fucking super sketchy. All of it is so, it fills you with anxiety because you

feel completely powerless to these world events that are going on well you're not powerless like the best thing you can do is what you're doing keep making comedy and and like keep making music like that's the best you can do and also p.., you are like you're one of the best ones for the platform for getting people informed and or inspiring people and just hanging out with your friends. Like you have the whole one stop shop. So technically you're doing a lot. Me, I'm just writing songs in the basement. Oh, you're doing a lot while you're on here. But it's not even doing a lot.

It's like what most people would be doing. They could just talk to each other. The beautiful thing about being able to do this show is just to be able to talk to people. All sorts of different people. I had a farmer on yesterday. Really? He was fucking fascinating. Where?

Will Harris from White Oaks Pasture. It's in Georgia, right? It's a farm in Georgia. It's a regenerative farm. He turned it from an industrialized farm okay into a regenerative farm over 20 years what's it i don't know what a regenerative the difference between using external herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of shit that's like makes it much easier to farm but it's toxic ultimately for the land okay so he went over the details of

like why he did what he did, what he learned and how he went from transitioning this family farm that he had inherited, which was traditionally like, you know, the way industrialized farms are working. They, they,

they put all this industrialized fertilizer everywhere and then it gets in the rainwater. It's fucking terrible. No, I know. So they, they were, they decided to turn it around it took

like 20 years you said wow yeah and just what it's done to the soil and the way this so everything works in the a natural cycle like the way he describes it i think is like mimicking a natural cycle i mean that's where we're at like nothing is what it like the same salmon you're eating now is not the same salmon from 20 years ago because we've had like all kinds of farming and it's cross you know bread and then so like all the species have changed they've evolved into whatever they are now and you know they're like i mean i guess that's the way through like they also have poly farming have you ever heard about that sure and yeah polyface farms is uh jo Joel Salatin's place.

Yeah. He's been on the podcast a couple of times. Cool. That guy drinks out of troughs where cows drink so he can get the biome for his immune system. I wonder how long it took to adapt to that. Yo. I mean, was he in the bathroom for like a month or what? What were the hard days?

Tell me what the hard days were, Joel. Because I would imagine you would have diarrhea. He's like, Joe, I don't have a butthole anymore. You would want to send a raven with that diarrhea story. You're going to put a scroll on a raven's foot. That was my first thought. I was like, that guy was in the bathroom for at least four weeks. Forever.

What kind of diarrhea does that give you? Oh my God. Oh my God, he's drinking water that the cows drink out of. I mean, you're going to get

some parasites. Like actually, that sounds pretty, pretty. He was one of the first guys who like was completely dismissive of COVID in that way.

He wasn't worried about it at all. He's like, I take care of my immune system, and he supplements his immune system. Doesn't sound surprising. Ooh, but what if he's right? What if he's right? Like, what if, I mean, that's the thing about, like,

little kids you'll see, like, when they're really little, especially, they touch everything, they put everything in their mouth. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's almost like they're trying to do that. They're trying to, like, medicate themselves to the world. Just naturally? I think it's natural.

I think it must be. Because they're exposing themselves to dirt and grime. When kids do that, I wonder, my question would be, is keeping them sanitary bad for their immune system? And is keeping them, like, letting them put whatever in their mouth dangerous to them because some things are toxic. Like, what's the fine line? I think it's overcorrection with sanitizing and also it's both. It's both, right?

Because you have to factor in the, like, superbugs that have formed from all of our antibiotics and our, you know, antibiotic resistance. Dude, right when I was starting to relax, you got to hit me with super bugs. Okay, let's go back. Let's keep talking about... That stuff is terrifying. Like MRSA? Yeah.

Medication resistance staff? No, I was paddle boarding on Lady Bird Lake and I fell in hard. All this water went up my nose and I was like, I hope I don't get an amoeba. For like two days, I was like, keep me on amoeba watch.

Dude, people get amoebas. I know. I know. They get brain parasites. Look, but we're here now, okay? And like so far, I'm pretty sure my brain doesn't have a parasite. Pretty sure. But, you know, only time will tell.

I've had several friends that got parasites. Yeah. Overseas. Well, I'm actually like I'm doing a four month parasite cleanse and you don't have to change your diet. It's supplements you take. And the shouldn't you check to see if you actually have a parasite first? So it's also a heavy metal detox. It's kind of a bunch of things. And that's a side to it.

Is all that stuff real? and that's a side to it. Is all that stuff real? So my very dear friends that have done this have told me about the parasites that came out of their body in month two or three. Can you do, is a heavy metal detox, is that a real thing? Can you do that?

Yeah. Is that possible? What do you do? Is that a real thing, Jamie? What do I do for it? No, what can anybody do? There's a joke in here. Heavy metal detox.

Yeah. Start listening to Sade. I had arsenic in my system at one point in time. Okay, I'm sure. Because I was eating too many sardines. What, really? Yeah. How many sardines were you eating, Joe?

I was eating a lot. Jesus Christ. I was eating cans of them a day. That's too many. I know. And so the guy could, that easily could be it. Because it was like trace amounts. Were you married at this point no because i was like how much make an hour you do it it was it was just eating sardines they're they're living in pollution yeah okay so they're at the bottom

of the water okay that's all the all the heavy metals and stuff i guess sit yeah well i mean like i said we were talking about your your farmer friend who was on yesterday like the whole ecosystem and landscape is fuck whether it's from pesticides and and that kind of thing or mining i was fly fishing on the clark fork river in montana it's beautiful like no cell service ospreys e, eagles, like all of it, you name it. Gorgeous, pristine, not a piece of trash for miles. But you can't eat the fish in the river because of these mines that were leaking in the 80s that were like all kinds of mercury.

I don't know if it's mercury, but like whatever they were leaking has infected the entire river and you cannot eat the fish. Oh, no. But you wouldn't know it looking at it. It doesn't look polluted. It doesn't look polluted. It doesn't look like trash. It's just. Do you really need to do a parasite test?

Uh-oh, are you going to call me out? It's highly unlikely that you have intestinal parasites. But even if you do, a home remedy won't do much. Well, I'll keep you posted. I don't know. Consumer reports from July. Yeah. Oh, that's recently. Yeah yeah that might be horseshit fuck it was expensive the thing is it's like if you actually do have a parasite like then there's like very specific medication here's a story so during our uh fearful covid all the shit um to not this september but 2021 i i had some

touring to do and a friend of mine with their very fancy doctor in hollywood like top of the top asked about hey do you have any preventative covid measures and also if you get, if we get COVID, you know, what should we take? And so I've been having stomach issues for a really long time and Ways to Well helped me discover that I had a bacteria called H. pylori. So I had to take like, I had to take antibiotics and I tried the natural stuff and then finally I kicked it, but I still was like sick for a while. And I kept- What causes that? It's, it's like a bacteria that like we have staph and we have all the stuff and some of our immune systems just like get overtaken by it. And I was one of them.

So, I mean, I was sick for like a year. Like my stomach hurt. I got to a point where I was just drinking broth. Like that was, and even then, like I was just uncomfortable. Here it is. Eleocobacter pylori. H. pylori. H. pylori.

Infection occurs when H. pylori bacteria infects your stomach. This usually happens during childhood. A common cause of stomach ulcers, peptic ulcers. Playing with that dirt. Whoa, that's the downside, right? Right. Infection may present in more than half the people in the world. Most people don't realize they have H. pylori infection because they never get sick from it.

Well, you get heartburn. If you develop signs or symptoms of a peptic ulcer, your health care provider will probably test you for H. pylori infection. A peptic ulcer is a sore of the lining of the stomach gastric ulcer or the or the first part of the small intestine whoa so you could be just walking around with that i have no idea yeah yeah and supposedly it's contagious but who knows like our immune systems fight stuff off all the time but so i i was really sick uh ways to well shout out, helped me get my like they figured out because I was deficient in all these vitamins that I took every day. And they're like, there's a reason your body's not absorbing all these things you're taking. So let's do run this test, this test.

So then I kicked the H. pylori, but I was still uncomfortable for a while. And I was like, fuck, my stomach hurts all the time. H. pylori, but I was still uncomfortable for a while. And I was like, fuck, my stomach hurts all the time. And so the fancy doctor, doctor in LA recommended COVID preventative ivermectin and heparin, which is a blood thinning nasal spray because COVID is a blood clotting virus. So I take the nasal spray. I mean, I was around thousands of people and I hug everybody. Like I am very present in the physical world. And I didn't get COVID, but I took the ivermectin and my stomach stuff went away and it was like I'd never felt better. So maybe I had a parasite because, you know, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic. Yeah, that's the main use of it.

Correct. Yeah. And whatever it was, it was like a miracle. Wow. Because after that, I was like, woo! I felt so good. But, you know, I, like, apparently have these intolerances, stuff I'm working on. But it's fascinating. Well, that sounded like you had an infection. I'm working on, but it's fascinating.

Well, that sounded like you had an infection. I did. I did. I was sick. I mean, that is a wild thing. That's like an invading army attacking your defense systems. It was really scary. I felt like alien.

I was bummed. It's like you've got a little war going on in your body. Kind of. That's what staph is like. Staph's like you have a little, you get a staph infection, like you've got a war going on. Have you had a staph infection? Oh, yeah. I've had a few.

Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. Scary. It's a common occurrence with grappling because you get scratched and, you know, you're rolling around and choking each other and shit. Right, right. And then all of a sudden you'll see something on your shin.

You're like, what is that? That would make sense why you have the superbug fear. Because, you know, physical contact and all that stuff. Well, I don't have the superbug fear. I did a show with Duncan back in the day where we went to the Center for Disease Control in Galveston and they were explaining us. The Center for Disease Control? Yeah. V1? Yeah. Is in Galveston, and they were explaining us the... The Center for Disease Control? Oh, like...

Yeah. V1? Yeah. Is in Galveston? Yeah, there's a lab they have down in Galveston, and it's... What did you think of Galveston? I think it's the Center for Disease Control.

Whoever works on the viruses... It's the Galveston National Laboratory Biodefense Lab. Biodefense Lab. So we go down there, and they're explaining to us that what they're really concerned about is not like man-made viruses what they're really concerned about is like something just jumping from animals to people that's like super deadly yeah like the black plague like the spanish flu like you know you know, there's some that are just walloping

where they kill, you know, giant swaths of people. Microscopic world, yeah. And he's like, we're always constantly trying to work to prevent that from happening. And that's when you get the scope of it. You're like, oh my God,

this is like at any moment in time, nature could just throw us the wildest curveball. And especially when you incorporate like what happens with animal agriculture where a lot of the viruses develop and do jump from people. Well, and we we fucked with nature so much, like manipulating science in this way that it feels I don't know. I don't I don't like to doomsday. I'm like, I want to enjoy my time.

But it's scary and i'm not necessarily doomsdaying but i am saying like like we got to look at this thing like this is what we're doing is wild we're having a little battle with nature we're trying to trick it and bottle it up and make antibiotics you hunt you're out there right like a while ago like a long time ago i tried to surf when i lived in venice beach and i remember being out there and and just being in the ocean in this like this thing could end me like that like not just from the monsters in there but like it's just sheer brute force yeah and like we are like nothing you can just flick us off yeah you know like and and so with that said like much respect

much respect much respect surfers no i mean like the force of our planet of the nature and like you know mother gaia whatever you want to call it. And it'll let you know. Oh, easy. And it's doing nothing. It's not even trying. It's not even trying and just a little bit of undertow and you're like, oh shit, I can't get back to the shore.

We watched Armageddon the other day. Other 90s throwback. And I mean, how do you not think like- That could happen. This could happen. It, this could happen? It 100% could happen. It's happened so many times. It's already happened.

It's happened so many times. There's always, there was one that we were just talking about recently in the news, that you can watch this giant comet whiz by Earth soon. Yeah. Oh, great. I think Nick and I were dating for, like, two weeks. I mean, we were just so in love. Like, we just kind of had that, like, you moment like we knew we knew avatar and uh i told him i was like i'm gonna be staring

into your eyes when the end of the world comes you know i almost want to be like right there doing that like you don't want to be a survivor i've thought about that's a heartier folk like the part of me like i'm not trying to sound egotistical there's a part of me that feels like i'm going to be one of the last ones standing but i don't want to be i don't want that of course everybody feels like that i don't want it i feel like if if something happens like that we will be knocked so far back into the past so quickly that you almost don't want to be alive for it because it's going to take so long for people to figure out civilization again and i think that's happened

a fuckload of times kids i am having graham hancock and randall carlson come on the podcast this month to talk about that very thing awesome these guys have been studying this for fucking decades. And their two coinciding theories about what happened seem to be based on this thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they think somewhere around 12,000 years ago we got hit by comets, and that there was a very advanced civilization before that and it got wiped out. And so everything that we see from like 6,000 years ago, like Babylonia and like the Sumerian texts and all that stuff. All that stuff is coming from people reinventing things thousands of years later. So this is like 6,000 years after the impact. So if there's 12,000 years ago, we get pelted by giant rocks. And then they do core samples.

They go down 12,000 years, and they find this high level of iridium, which is really common in space and really rare on Earth. And it usually signifies an asteroid impact. And they find that shit all over at 12,000 years. So when they get to this point, it's almost like there's irrefutable evidence that something happened. And that something was so big that it might have reset civilization. We might have, we, human beings might've been really advanced at one point in time, like really advanced. If you see what they did in Egypt and you realize that at the earliest, at the earliest, that was 4,000, 5,000 years ago at the earliest that was four thousand five thousand years ago at the earliest

but it might have been way earlier than that that stuff might have been a remnant of an ancient civilization that was far more advanced than we are right now it just got knocked into the stone age we just don't think that can happen but fuck it could happen yeah for sure it could happen well i think there's this weird immortality that comes with the vapid lifestyle of technology and the way that people forget the depths of existence and and then therefore uh forget how finite we are and um i mean that's like i mean you kind of get to the like God place there. You know, there's this like.

I feel so sad for people that don't dig into themselves and dig into this stuff and think about the enormity of our existence and like your life is so short it goes so fast and you know you're you're missing it from your negligence to um ground yourself like you're missing it with your self-importance you're missing it with your narcissism yeah and you're this like this is not the world like it's so sad to me and i i think like in terms of what you're talking about there's like this really fine line between that scientific and and theoretical idea of of you know uh intelligent life before us and and and knowing, like, we were given this chance and we're fucking it up. But we're not necessarily fucking it up.

I think it's just a process. That's what I think. I don't think we're fucking it up. I think there's a process. I don't mean to sound negative. No, no, you're not negative. You're recognizing real problems. Well, I'm looking at the world around me

because I'm actually like an optimist eternally. Like I'm such a, like here's where the sunshine is. Like this is where it's beautiful. This is where things are good. Like let's get there. Like we can do this. amount of people that value Kim Kardashian's plastic surgery, you know, or whatever it is you're obsessing over that you think is valuable. Like that stuff is very sad to me. And well, it's because we're not faced with big threats. When you're not faced with big threats,

you focus on trivial things. When something big happens, that's when everybody puts the American flag on their car. But wouldn't you call all the stuff that's happening big? It is, but it's not big enough. The news cycle is so fucked. The news cycle is so fucked that every day there's like 15 new outrages and five new conspiracy theories. And then there's a new crime and then there's a new mass shooting and then there's a car accident and there's a plane crash. And it's just constant. But you're getting battered by information. So even like the Ukraine-Russia thing, people are like, boring.

Done with it. Over 200 days. You know, and then they have their narratives. You know, Ukraine's winning. No, Russia's holding off till the winter. Like, it's all, it's almost like they're fucking calling a sport. But they say it like we actually know what's going on yeah i have no idea unless i don't either and like i mean i i'm sure

we're getting some correct information i'm not discarding the information i'm just saying i'm not totally aware yeah but you also factor in um wag the dog you know like you factor in uh the technological manipulation like you can make anything look like anything. Do you think they've actually gone to that? Do you think like there's governments that have actually made fake videos? Absolutely. Let's not say America, because of course we wouldn't do that, right? But for sure, there's got to be like some fake news footage.

Yes. Yeah. It's been proven. Wasn't like at the beginning of the ukraine war wasn't there a video that was going around it was like a viral video and people like you know look the jet got shot down in ukraine and people found out it's actually a scene from a video game i i don't know about that true jamie what was that story the minute actors exactly what you said i believe i was about to pull it up if you didn't say it uh did someone do it as a goof or was it like that would be way too hard to know without digging way

deep who did that and why they did it but like they had the ghost the ghost of Kiev was like the ace shooting down everyone but that's how susceptible everyone is to this shit and that's what I'm saying like I don't know what's real. But I do know it's really fucked up when actors are flying over to the Ukraine and talking like they know what's going on and promoting something. Like. Yeah. What? What the fuck are those people doing over there? I'm like.

I'm mad. I'm like, I'm mad. Well, I can understand them realizing that this is a human, a giant moment in human history. Why is Jessica Chastain representing the United States? Who's that? She's an actress. Oh, I don't know who she is. What's she on?

A bunch of stuff. Okay. Would I know her by visual? Mad Men? Oh, okay. No. No? Wrong one.

Okay. Wrong redhead. Doesn't matter. There you go. Don't give her attention. Oh, okay. No. Wrong one. Wrong redhead. Doesn't matter. Don't give her attention. It's annoying. Like, what the fuck is she doing over there? I'm serious. I don't know. Maybe she's lending her voice for her considerable social media following.

This is when my war with Jessica Chastain starts. Let's go. Oh, my God. This is drunk Suzanne. My favorite Suzanne. Is that your favorite Suzanne? Yeah, for sure. My favorite Suzanne is a little high, a little drunk.

Isn't that your favorite everybody? It's pretty fun. Yes. I didn't know how much I liked weed until now. Really? Oh, I love it. But it's like. What I missed the most during Sober October, for sure. Two hits.

But, I mean, I'm always having fun with Nick. Like, we're always laughing. But, like, if we smoke a little before bed... Mm-hmm. It's so fun. I know. It's the best. We're just...

He's my best friend. Yeah. He's so funny. It's a beautiful thing that you found that. Oh, my God. It's nice. I love him so I'm so happy. I'm so happy to hear it. Thanks. It's such an important thing for people Some people never find it. You know, you never get lucky. It's a lot of it is that yeah There's a lot of weird luck in life. You know, you say you attract things in life, but are you sure you know? People talk about like the secret and law of attraction.

Are you sure? Are you sure you're attracting things? How much of this is random? I think, yes, we attract certain things and each other. But trying to make a book out of it is you're just going to lose me. At that point- You're trying to define something that you haven't definitely defined. Whatever that quality is that does allow people to visualize things and make them happen.

Right. There's a lot of other factors there, kids. Yeah. A lot of other factors. There's action. They've done things. Well, I've been that person who like figured something out and I want to tell everybody about it.

Guess what? Like this is the, like Carl Jung. But it is a factor in it. Sure. But. Right. But that's where like, be cool about it. Yeah is a factor in it. Sure. Right? But that's where, like, be cool about it. Yeah, be cool about it.

Don't pretend you... Just ride it out. Don't pretend it's, like, a secret. Right. And don't pretend it's, like, a thing... Everybody's got it. ...that you can teach people how to do. That's it.

If you want to learn how to do it, learn from people that did it. Right. That's the best way. That's the secret. That's the secret. You know, learn how to do it? Learn from people that did it. Right. That's the best way. That's the secret. That's the secret. You know, learn from, you talk to them, you go, oh,

Susanna's a regular human and she figured out how to be a professional musician. How the fuck can I do that? Talk to that. That's the secret. Yeah, well, I'm still figuring it out.

But, you know, you know what you're doing. It's not. If I was a kid and I believe that I could manifest everything just with my mind, I didn't know that there was like significant amount of work involved. Most kids believe that now. That's so that's such a crippling mentality. It is. One of the things about being a teenager in Boston was that Massachusetts is so hardcore work ethic. Those fucking people work.

One of the reasons why is because you have to shovel snow for many months of the year. You're doing real hard labor at your fucking house. You've got to scrape your windshield out. Yeah. So many people have blown their back out shoveling their fucking driveway. Me. I've done it. A lot.

Oh, yeah. People get slipped. As a teenager. You get fucking hurt. It's a lot of work. It's so much work. To go from no work to that. Well, if you don't do that, you don't get out.

You know? And if you don't do it soon, it becomes ice. That's a great analogy. There's a part of surviving a thing that happens every year. Like the winters in Boston are fucking harsh. They're harsh. And you get that

water off the ocean so you get that salt water cold that just cuts to your fucking bones. You lose your breath. You can't even breathe. It's so cold. It's so cold. Yeah. You lose your breath. You can't even breathe. It's so cold. It's fucking cold.

Yeah. And it's going to happen every year. And you're going to get ice and you're going to get black ice on the roads where it rains first. And then the whole road is a fucking ice skating rink. And you have to know how to drive on it. I love it. I'm a winter baby.

I love it. It's real. Yeah. It's a different kind of person. I know. Those are some of my favorite people that come from winter places. I'm not bullshitting. It's real. It's a different kind of person. I know. Those are some of my favorite people that come from winter places. I'm not bullshitting. That's awesome.

I think California is like being a trust fund baby, weather-wise. Oh, sure. Like everything's fine. It's always fine. You don't have to work that hard. And when it is raining, like, oh, my God, it's raining again. Like, bitch, it's rained three days this year. What the fuck are you saying?

I'm losing my tan. They're so accustomed to that that it really does fuck with your character development. It doesn't limit you. You can still develop a great character doing other stuff and difficult things, but you're not going to get that one essential thing out of nature. I think this speaks to a mutual aversion to the softies. You got to fucking toughen up. But you can't toughen up if you don't know what that means.

For yourself, not just for us, but for yourself. Sure. Like you have to, it's, it's important for everybody. But like to like kind of spiral back to things we were talking about before,

like they can't do that if they don't know what that feels like. You don't know what that means. Yeah. And, um, you know, the proverbial cold within us you know like you have to know how to weather a storm if you've never been through a real storm

then how would you know it's humbling when everyone's stranded at home and you look out the window and all you see is white it's beautiful and you have to go in too you have to sit with yourself you can't play outside i'm an outdoor kid you can't do that shit you know a lot of times the power goes out oh yeah power goes out a lot oh my god around with candles and shit like i had you have to have gear too you have to have snow pants and boots and all that stuff and boots you can't be going out there with sneakers you're fucking idiot. You're going to freeze to death. You're going to lose a foot. I have been to many a Browns game in Cleveland. Huddled.

You have those things you smack, those warmers you put in your boots. And then you lose again. You have to sit with the sinking feeling of defeat. While you're freezing your dick off. Yeah. Cold weather people are different fucking people. They really are. That's like why Canadians are so hardy.

Those motherfuckers have to deal with cold. Look at that. Jamie, you know. I just feel like people that have to go through shit like that together, there's like a bonding experience in surviving the winter. And the only reason all these humans can survive the winter is because people are smart enough to figure out shelters. Like, you can't be homeless there. Like, that isn't, like, right there with that weather, you're fucked. You know. That tent's not going to make it. From all the exciting things I've got to do in my life and places I've lived, still to this day, whenever I go home to Cleveland, I am met and confronted with the most interesting, humbled, fascinating, funniest, salt of the earth kind of people.

Real people. Yeah. They have to deal with real shit. But, you know, lacking a precious thing. Like, they're just like, hey, cheers. Right. Nice to meet you. You know?

But I, well, there's a lot of disillusioning kind of places, like New York and L.A. Like, there are these meccas of art and culture. But then, you know, they've kind of been overrun by ideologies that that are can be damaging and but you can't say that about boston or cleveland or you know sort of i mean i guess you could boston's a little different boston's pretty liberal yeah it's a lot different than than maybe they're hardier liberals, though. Hardy's a good... That's the thing. I'm kind of babbling right now,

but hardy is a good word for it. You have to overcome nature if you live in a cold climate. That's a real thing. It's a real change of the world. But there's a psychological and emotional thing. Wow, that's really well done, man. Just like the people that live next to the ocean.

That feeling that you have in the ocean the same feeling sure it's like you ain't shit great you ain't shit it's snowed out

you ain't shit there's the ocean and you have to be smart like don't go out there this day like don't drive into this blizzard you might fucking die you might fucking die

yeah no one's gonna come and rescue you bitch no you can't don't think you're gonna be safe they can't get to you yeah don't even go out

that's funny yeah there's times where you're told to not leave. Oh yeah. Those are fucking bonding moments for communities. They really are. You're faced with a threat. You're like,

Hey, do you guys need anything? Absolutely. Hey, we got this, we got that, you know, Hank shot a deer.

I played in Telluride, Colorado this summer and which is so pretty up there. And one of the, they have a festival that they they have one of them and the ride fest and i had this runner who was like taking taking us back down the mountain it's like two hours an hour and a half or something like that and he lived in this community that was you know an hour or so from telluride. And he was telling me about all their, like, septic stuff and, like, electricity even. And they all had to take care of each other.

He lived in this small little town that if something went wrong, it went wrong for everyone. And they had to, like, hey, what tools do you need? Like, how do you want to get through this? And, I mean, it's really funny. You know, you don't know until you've lived something like that. Like, you don't know until you've had those, like, really scary storms or winters where you really do need to help each other. And then it becomes very logical.

And we're very sheltered from that most places don't don't have those experiences you know and because you don't need to advertise it it's just it's how you live it's just how you live and it makes a stronger human more resilient human yeah that's what i believe i think it's a part of the problem with living in los angeles it's not it's there's so many factors that make living I believe. I think it's a part of the problem with living in Los Angeles. It's not, there's so many factors that make living in Los Angeles fucked. There's a sheer number of people, which of course also equals a sheer number of a lot

of really interesting people. You know, it's a lot of cool people there. Sure. No doubt. Well, it's very beguiling. A lot of great restaurants and great things.

It's a beautiful place. Yes, beautiful place. But you got a lot of fucking people. There's so many. there's so many there's so many well and then you have to factor in like the people that have like exploded from youtube or something like really easy that didn't involve that's toxin to all those people that have been working hard and haven't made it. You motherfuckers. It's toxic. I'm of the mindset of like whatever propagates joy, but to the extent of it being valuable joy and like with depth,

you know, not like a cheap thrill. Right. It doesn't have to be though. You know, like the thing about all these things is they're attracting people and why are they attracting me there's a lot of dumb shit that's attracting me it's still getting me i'm still watching dumb shit yeah but you know better like you do i though i don't know i mean you you're like you just i'm watching the dumb shit yeah but you how many people come see you perform you know like you just i'm watching the dumb shit yeah but you how many people come see you perform you know like you have to stay up on your intellectual comedy oh i have to keep

watching dumb shit well sure but like the execution of what you've ingested and then the way you um deliver through your craft involves of a specific skill to You know, you're not asleep at the wheel. No, that's not what I'm saying. But I do get like, I do waste time on non-fence. For sure. What I was going to get at is that there's all these different factors that are fucked up about LA. And that weather thing is a big part of it. But another big part of it is that everybody goes there to try to make it and so when you go there you're trying to get hired for something so you're always kind of putting on this act of who you want people to think you are and they only talk in like a certain ideological lingo it's like very progressive-y

right you have to factor in that like this like get rich quick because of like being beautiful or like pam anderson or something like that sort of gets injected into things. But that's been happening for so long. But not like now. Not like now. But now it's ubiquitous. Now it's just omnipresent.

Like you can't. They're more popular. Now it's you get rich for a week and then people forget about you. For some of them. But then there's people like the Kardashians. They got a grip on it. But they got in early. It's true. They started They got a grip on it. But they got in early. That's true.

They started their bullshit a long time ago. But there's been some people that got pretty popular and then people got tired of them. I mean. You got it for whatever they're doing. Whatever voodoo the Kardashians have done to the American and the world people. They're fucking really good at it. People are still watching. That's some good voodoo.

Are they? If that's all you're sellingodoo. If that's all you're selling. Yes. If that's all you're selling is watch me. I think what they're selling is immortality at this point. Like they're trying to show you how like you can have the same face for so long. Madonna's selling immortality. Oh God, she terrifies me. Have you seen her Instagram photos?

That's, uh, how old is she? I, 60 something. I's, how old is she? 60 something. I'm wondering when somebody. If she really looks like that. I'm wondering if anyone cares about her at all. I do. Then call her.

I don't know her that well at all. I don't know her at all. But if I did know her at all, I'd say, if that's what you really look like, I get it. Show it off. If she has one friend that's like, hey, I think you need some help. No, I'm the wrong friend because I'd be like, keep posting. I'd be like, more pictures. Let's go. Let's go, Madonna.

Where did she? There was one where she was kind of in her underwear. What I'm interested in is like, or not interested in, is why do people care who Madonna's fucking? She wants to talk about being gay or whatever. Like, we care. Like, just go fuck them. Go do what you want to do. Why do you have to talk about it to everyone?

She's maintaining relevance to a certain extent. She wants to be a sex symbol, and she's... The time has passed. And, like, look, you can do other things, but, like, to be... But does she want to be a sex symbol, or does she want to be Madonna? Is that how she feels alive expressing herself? Listen.

Sticking her booty up in the air and having them big titties flop around. Like I said, Dolly Parton. The image she posted up, if you can't find it, maybe they took it down. If she really looks like that, she looks fucking great. Who, Madonna? Yes, for however old she is. I am in strong disagreement. Her face scares the shit out of me.

64. Wow. I hear that ACDC song right now. It's a long way to the top. that ACDC song right now. It's a long way to the top if you want to ride well. Look, I have appreciated Madonna's contributions

to our music and culture, but there's a time That's how it goes playing in a band When you got to hang up your hat and stop putting your boobies in people's faces if they don't want to see them. Well, maybe some people do. She's obviously got some young fellas that still enjoy them.

That is a strange fetish that I do not understand. Dan Bilzerian of the female Instagram influencer. Look at her. She looks hot as fuck. If that's what she looks like, fuck yeah. Congratulations. If you can really look like that at 64, I don't know what glasses I have to put on how doctored you don't know how smooth that shit ruining everything you're not all i need is some they live sunglasses some weird puckering in weird places joe i guarantee

that's the future of ar you're gonna put on glasses and the person that you're with is gonna look as perfect as you need them to be. That is so fucked up. That's what we're going to do. People are going to get mad if you only want to have sex with them with the glasses on. I want the real thing. Yeah. Some people are going to get mad, though. Take your glasses off, goddammit.

I want you to see the real me. Look. No. Who are you really? Who are you fucking in those glasses? Oh, my god. That guest book, the show I did a while back where Honey Honey, we did the music for it. I think Joey Diaz is in that episode.

But there's this episode with I think it's Kether Donahue, a friend of mine, where like her husband has an addiction to VR. And they're like having sex with VR goggles. And there's this whole story going on where he's somebody and she's somebody. But she accidentally kills him. Oh my God. Yeah, it's great. That's hilarious. But I'm sure that happens.

It's 100% going to happen if it hasn't happened already. If it hasn't happened already, it's 100% going to happen. I kind of feel, that's it. Oh, that's right. Joey takes over. Sorry, boss. You shouldn't be sorry. You're doing it all wrong.

You gotta work the boss. No, no, no, no, no. Stop. Stop. He picked the wrong video. I can't look away. Oh, my God. Let go of my ball.

Anyway, at the outro, I'm pretty sure you'll hear me singing on that episode. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's so ridiculous. I mean, Joe, that is some people's reality. I think there's going to be a lot of people in the future that are living life virtually. And more than we can even imagine. I think it's going to get so good.

I think there's also going to be a lot of people that are bad at sex. Because they learned through their phones and not through natural discourse of life. Well, they think that's already probably fucking up kids' wiring. Absolutely. They're seeing that kind of sex all the time. Porn addictions and stuff. Yeah, 100%. discourse of life well they think that's already probably fucking up kids wiring absolutely they're seeing that kind of sex porn addictions and stuff yeah 100 yeah it's um fucking the the whole human internet technology interface situation is so strange to me because it most definitely enhances our ability to do things but is it is – how much of it – it's definitely enhancing your life somewhat. It's giving you some interesting entertainment.

You can listen to a book on tape. You can learn stuff from your phone. You can ask you questions and get answers. You have to be able to check yourself. I think that's the thing. It's like there's benefits and there's like egregious downsides that can fuck you up. Right. Like you just have to know how to handle yourself.

It's like handle your booze. Handle your booze. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. Because it's all candy in some ways. But my point is it seems to keep going in the same direction always. It doesn't seem to be slowing down and it's not going to. It goes into the direction.

That's where the nuclear war comes in. That's the only thing to save us. I hope not. No. But it seems like that's where it's going. It's going to like a deeper infusion into what it is to be a person to a point where it's a part of your body. And it's, I don't think it's that far away. And I think once they do start implementing that, it's going to be so beneficial to the people that have it, that everyone's just going to jump on board. I think it's going to happen radically. And I don't think we're prepared for what the fuck that means. I agree. I think it's going to happen in our lifetime. I think in our life, just like when we were kids, there was no internet. Now the world's a totally

different place. I think that's going to happen with a human neural interface. I think they're going to create something and they're going to improve upon it. It's going to happen with a human neural interface. I think they're going to create something and they're going to improve upon it. It's going to get better and better. And there's going to be a way of interacting with your mind and the Internet and all the people around you. I mean, I think that's already happening. It kind of is. It kind of is. But I think it's going to happen to human beings.

And it's going to be one of those things just like a phone. If you imagine when we were kids, like I grew up in the 80s, you grew up in the 90s. When I was in high school in 1981, I could have never imagined everyone would be carrying a phone. Right.

The idea that you could get a hold of someone who's just out. Right. You had to talk to people. Right. You had to wait. You had to go to people. Right. You had to wait. You had to go to Gary's house. You had to wait for the call.

You had to listen to your answering machine. Yeah. Was Monica with Debbie? Yeah. Where are those guys going? That's what I like about going through the 90s movies and TV show, Rabbit Hole, of the actual human experience of being a human and all that entails of of like dating or or working or or just functioning you had to have patience you had a different level of like nothing was at a click of a button you had

to go get it it's a different world but is it better that's the question isn't it better to have all the answers at your fingertips isn't it just different. I don't necessarily think it's bad. My real concern is that we might be the last of the Mohicans. Like 100%. I think we're the last of the real human beings. I think we're destined to be cyborgs. And I don't think it's that far off. I think we're going to be lured into it with the idea that it's going to fix diseases and ailments.

We're already cyborgs. We're already, our consciousness has been altered. Our mental functioning is, has already, we're already on machine time. I just, I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know either. But I think it's just the beginning. It's the tip of the iceberg.

All that stuff that you just cited, like people being addicted to Snapchat and stuff, that's all real. That's a thing. You're connected to that device. You keep it charged. You keep getting new ones. Better devices mean better connection. I feel like our greatest purpose now is to reconnect with our own humanity. Yeah.

Like, be with your family. You know what I feel like about that? I feel like it's like holding hands at the side of the ocean while the asteroid comes to hit. Yeah. I don't think it's going to do a goddamn thing. I don't know if it's like grounding, survival craft. I thought we were going to a beautiful place. No.

I think we're going to... Well, I'll be staring into Nick's eyes if that's the case. You will. You'll do it together. You'll both turn your fucking switches

on at the same time. I feel like we're all going to go into a world of accelerated evolution. That's what I think we're going into a world of. And I think we're going into a world of

technologically accelerated evolution. What does Elon say about this stuff? I'm sure you've asked him this. Yep. He's this neural link that they're developing. One of the quotes he said, you'll be able to talk without words. Fucking hell.

Yeah. They're first going to do it with people that are paralyzed and people who don't have access to their limbs or access to the function of their limbs. They're going to be able to reignite these. The idea is to have it function almost like a central nervous system, to recharge these areas that were damaged in spinal injuries and stuff like that. I don't know how the fuck they think they're going to do that.

Do you have an understanding of how they think that Neuralink would work with disabled people? Because that was one of the possibilities that they said. They've got other, they're not the only company that can do that right now. How many companies are doing that? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't call them companies. Or working on stuff?

Like government, agencies or whatever. There's at least two or three different versions of it I've seen. I don't know how well, like they've done it with like one person who's absolutely paraplegic, like got fucked up in a war or something like that. And they've got them to sort of walking with help. Well, I would imagine if you get paralyzed, it probably takes a long time to develop your ability to walk again after that.

Even if they can fix the connections to your legs, they haven't been firing. But if they can actually do that and get someone to walk again at all, that's insane. Yeah, let me see if I can find that. I'm down for that. Yeah, I think that's the way they're going to lure you in, though.

I really do. But I do remember something about Neuralink having that hopeful potential someday to help people with injuries. But I think that what they're describing... This is the one I knew of. A brain implant restored this man's motion and sense of touch. There it is.

Columbus, Ohio. Holla, Columbus. O-H. He's got a small computer chip in his brain. They used it to improve the range of motion in his arms and to artificially recreate his sense of touch. Whoa. I believe he's connected to

a giant computer too. It's not just a wireless connection at this point. So is it a chip that's in his brain and then the chip is connected to a cable? So he's in the Matrix? Let me see if I can find it. So

that's one of the things that they think that these neural implants may be able to do is to improve people with injuries. So ultimately, if that's the case, that obviously will be very good for people with injuries. The real question is if people start using any kind of a neural implant and interface it with technology that allows you to access information, has a greater bandwidth for thinking. Who knows what kind of programs will be on it that you can run that can give you logical answers to dilemmas. Like, who knows what the fuck this is going to be like. The thing is, like, everything swings so wildly in this polarized way. Like, it'd be so awesome if we could just stick with that. Right.

And still be people that talk to each other. I just don't know if that's an option. I have a feeling that's not going to be an option. I have a feeling that once people adopt that technology, whatever comes with it comes with it, and we're going to be on a fucking roller coaster right off the side of a cliff. I don't think, I think we're going to be cyborgs

and it's going to happen really quick. Even on the website for this NeuroLife thing, it says players can immerse themselves in video games soon. This is like applications for what this can already do. Whether or not they're doing it. Which one is this? This is that NeuroLife one I just showed you. But that's not, they're not talking about an implant, are they?

No, no, yeah, yeah. They are? On this video, it It shows the implant the back of his head So using that implant, I think it has to do with that sleeve. He has on his arm, too Okay, so go back to that other page so we could read the description of what it's supposed to be doing I don't know if it had that full explanation. Well, I had that whatever that explanation was under it was nearly Okay, wearable sleeve showcases our unique background in developing life-enhancing products. For the first time ever, this technology allows us to

measure the nerves and muscles of the forearm with high resolution and in real time. The result is targeted simulation interventions that recreate... Stimulation. Oh, excuse me. Stimulation interventions that recreate complex, dexterous hand movements.

What? That's incredible. So as you move your hands, it will show an actual hand because you're moving the muscles that are specific to moving parts of your hand? Is that like a phantom limb thing, but just... So what is that? Recreating his movement of your hand? Is that like a phantom limb thing, but just... So what is that? Recreating his movement of his hand? Is this a person that has a paralyzed hand? Is that what that's supposed to be?

I believe so, yeah. Whoa. Right when he was getting... Whoa. See, that's amazing. That's amazing. Right there. I believe that.

You can see. Oh, wow. He's got a chip in his skull. Yo. And this actually does look like it is wireless. It's not. It's connected. What are you going to do?

You're going to get a chip. No, no, I'm not. We're all getting chips. No, I'm not getting one. We're all getting chips. It's going to be amazing. We're going to see through walls. We'll read each other's minds.

Ooh, can I fly? Yeah, probably. Probably just like go on another planet in your brain. I think that's probably what happens to life. I think what we're doing right now is we're like making a cocoon. And then out of that cocoon, a butterfly is going to come out of it. And that butterfly is going to be a new kind of life. Do you want to be a robot?

Not necessarily. What do you want to be? Look, I love all the imperfect parts about being people. It's not like what do you want to be when you grow up. It's what do you want to be. What do you want to be? What do you want to be when you scientifically evolve? Oh, God.

I don't. If I am, I am. I'm not thinking about it like that. I want to be an eagle. That's what you like? It's like they could tell you you could be whatever animal you want. Imagine if animals had

people brains. Again, Greek mythology, all the gods would be animals. Zeus would be a bull. Do you know how fucked we would be if animals were as smart as us? They're pretty fucking smart. Are they though? Intuitively and emotionally. They have amazing senses

they have amazing senses but as far as smart we can plan shit they can't plan shit they just go on instinct for the most part but if like deer could plan shit wait I've heard that if there was like suicidal deer

wasn't there like a real thing about raccoons taking over the world or spiders or something? Oh, spiders. If they integrated their instincts intellectually, they'd be taken over in a week and a half or something. You know what would accelerate people's acceptance of climate change? Oh, God. If global warming was making spiders bigger. Spiders just started getting real. It turns out there's a switch.

Whatever the number is. They're already pretty fucking big. If the world gets above one degree temperature, spiders grow by 400%. Really? Every spider just keeps- Is that a joke? No, I'm just making it up right now. But imagine if this is to happen with every degree.

But accelerate. So 400% of 400%. I want out. All of a sudden you've got a fucking Labrador-sized spider fucking up your grandmother. You come home,

your grandma's wrapped in a cocoon in the middle of the living room. Have you seen The Mist? I did see The Mist. Oh, God. It was good.

It was so dark at the end. Very dark. Holy shit. The end is hard. It's hard. The end's hard. It's very difficult. But they were faithful

to the book, I think. I think that's why it was so hard. Well, that's what they had. They had these life-size, life-size, but you know. Stephen King. Insects. When he was fucked up on the hooch and doing blow, he made some of the greatest fucking books of all time.

Anybody, you can't tell me any different. I guarantee you, the hooch and the blow. Do you like scary stuff? Yes. Oh my God. Really? You like horror films and stuff? Yes. I no no why not um well i i scare easily i get startled very easily like if like some i didn't hear somebody come into the room kind of thing

yeah also um life is scary enough it is and and like to this you know what i really like i really have an aversion to is like the religious scary stuff like the satanic deep evil like when i was a kid when i when i saw uh the omen as a child i pulled my twin mattress into my parents room and i slept there until they finally kicked me out but i mean i was, I was almost irrevocably altered at the thought of being taken over and possessed against my will. Like I didn't invite this in, but it's like, like a fungus. And it was a possibility. Just the thought of it is fucking terrifying. Well, people talked about it like it was a real thing.

Yeah. I was watching a YouTube video once of a guy who's performed exorcists was a priest who was talking about different exorcists that he performed there's really interesting i mean you want to get weird you want to get psychedelic like this stuff is is like i think there is a personally um there are some doors not to be knocked on or opened. And spiritually or energetically, I energy is powerful. I think human beings are powerful. Our consciousness, whatever is beyond that. And you just don't know.

And I have just a real inherent instinct and aversion to the other in that way. It scares me. And, you know, I've done enough psychedelics to have some things that I was learning about within myself and externally. And, you know, that could sound crazy or like hooey. But I don't know. I don't like to mess with that stuff it scares me well if it's real one of the best ways if you were the devil you would make it preposterous that you would be real while at the same time people worship God because if you believe in god you have to believe in the devil right it's part of a package deal but listen so if the president is on television it says god bless our troops everybody's like all right but if the president

gets on tv and says we've located the devil he's in sudan we're sending troops there immediately like what the fucking actual devil? No, bitch. This guy's out of his fucking mind. You can say, God bless us all. May God be with you. You can say, I am a God-fearing man and I believe in God. I think God has a message for us all. You can say all those things.

Sure. But if you say, I know where the devil is and we're going to go kill him. You're like, that's it? You believe in the devil, you fucking idiot? You believe in the actual devil. There's an actual devil. But wouldn't that be the best way for the devil to hide? If the devil's real, if Satan is real, and if there really are demons,

wouldn't the best way to just hide in plain sight and ridicule? Absolutely. Imagine if all of the evil of the world. I don't think we need to imagine it. Creepy shit that's infecting Putin's brain right now and all these dictators and all the people that are having people murdered and assassinated,

attacking. Yeah, it takes a specific kind of being slash vessel. You know, like you kind of, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe demons are just thoughts. But also sociopaths.

Yeah, there's that too. Scientifically, there's a real mental deficiency of, I mean, there's no empathy. There's no. That's real. There's real ones. Yeah. Which is very frightening. But let's stay in the light.

That is frightening. And that's a function of what? Is it a function of genetics? Is it a function of raising a child? Is it a combination of all those things? Nature, nurture, and other things. And other things. And just like, is it just a function sometimes of you just didn't get wired correctly?

Like how many people do you know that are just not wired right? A deal. A good deal. A bunch. A good deal. A bunch. A good deal. A bunch. Especially artists. Like some artists are just not wired right.

So Nick is a big comic book, like Maven, like knows probably every major Marvel, you name it. And he introduced me to this comic called Prometheus by Alan Moore. me to this comic called Prometheus by Alan Moore. And, and basically it goes, it's, it's almost like an entire dissertation on magic and like Aleister Crowley and the cabal. And one, I've really enjoyed it too. There's a lot of relevance to it's, I mean, like going, basically the cabal, you know, is like the tree of life. And from the lower sphere, which is like us, and then moving up through this thing to the godhead, like ancient texts, like the cabal and Solomonic magic is like been around for a long time. And there's something that like gets the hair on the back of my neck, like just standing up with like, holy shit, what am I reading right now? And, you know, I don't know, I like to lead by my instinct and my own understanding of the world. And so this stuff is, it kind of speaks to that in a way that I can't like, in detail, get into it. But

it's, you know, like, we're talking about science, we're talking about's you know like we're talking about science we're talking about cyborgs we're talking about dementia other dimensional uh aspects to our existence and there's that's like magic to me there might be something to it there might be something to just getting people to believe it maybe that's almost enough. Yeah, but I'm really interested in ancient text and just the like recycling and recirculation of that stuff of like, well, why does that keep coming up? And I can understand how this feels like that and this feels like that. And in our present day experience, you know, I don't know. Yeah.

I'm just, I'm just, just you know talking about what i've read and what i've experienced and it is creepy when you think about old stuff and the devil that's the creepiest that's why the exorcists are so creepy right they found that old talisman can't do it i stay away from it it's i have an aversion to it i don't i don't want it ancient is something about like ancient stuff and the devil that's the scariest stuff like they found an old scroll and if you read it out loud well yeah i mean like i mean even the bible like has so many other versions of itself you know like you have the king james version and then you have all these other things and like i'm i don't want to read revelations i'm too scared what the old testament's the most fascinating to me.

Have you read it? The problem with the New Testament is, from what I understand, it was created and curated by Constantine and a bunch of bishops. They literally decided what to put in the New Testament and what to not put in. When you get to the Old Testament, the Old testament is the wildest shit because it seems it shows how petty people were over things like one of them there's a story about how a guy who's no tolerance this is a guy who's bald and some kids called him a bald head and so a bear comes out of the woods and kills all the kids because the guy guy was bald. What's the lesson? The lesson is don't be mean to bald guys.

It's the dumbest lesson ever. It's like this fucking guy, these kids murdered. He had them murdered because they called him a bald head. And this was like God's version of righteousness. There's some wild shit in the Old Testament.

What is that story right what is that story what is that exact story about the dude i was just looking it up this this article here says it's a misunderstood tale and it's actually about uh war and i was trying to get into this but you asked too quick before i could find out oh well it's about a fucking bear eating kids though whatever his interpretation of what the ultimate meaning was supposed to be as thought down over thousands of years of text and oral tradition that spans

a thousand years after that or before that. What is the actual verse? What is it about? So it's some boys are, they tease him. Okay. Some boys tease him. So it's some boys are, they tease him. Okay.

Some boys tease him. So it says he went up from Bethel and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him saying, go up, you bald head, go up, you bald head. So that was enough. And God was like, I've heard enough. I will now send in bears. So then God sent in a fucking she-bear,

I think he said. He called it a she-bear. So what does it say? What happens where the bear comes in? Well, this is all talking about how it's wrong. Okay. Let's find what the translation is first, and then we'll go and refute it. I just want to see what the actual translation was.

Okay, came out in town, cheered him, go up you bald head. They said, go on up you bald head. He turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Lord is in all caps. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths. It seems unbelievable that God would cause two bears to maul a group of children for making fun of a man for being bald. Who wrote this? This one also refutes it too.

But is that the translation? That's where I was gonna say the bald head translation right away goes, well what word did they use back then and how did it get translated to English as saying bald head? But even if he said fuck head if you called him a fuck head

the kids killed by bears. Did they have fuck back then? Was that a word? Maybe it's bald. Maybe bald was fuck. They even called them a fuckhead. The kids killed by bears. Did they have fuck back then? Was that a word? Maybe it was bald. Maybe bald was fuck. She's even going into Latin. They even called them cunt head. That's literally God's reaction is to have a bear kill 42 kids? I don't know how you could spin that. This sounds like they're trying to spin it.

That's where I was going to go. The word for bald might not have been the thing that they used. Someone got stuck on bald, you know, because they wanted to have a perhaps. Yeah, yeah, perhaps But I mean it wouldn't matter what the name would be that he would call him cunt head There's not a chance in hell that a righteous God would send a bear to kill those kids That's but well, so that's if that's the actual translation that a bear came and killed the children, which I've always understood it to be Kurt Metzger explained to me what that saying, go on up, you bald head, that it's like, it's more harsh.

It's like, we think of it as like, I mean, it's like going up your asshole or something like that. It's like, it's mean. Like, it's not as seen as like, get out of here, bald head. Yeah. That sounds like so pedestrian. You scallywag. Yeah.

Yeah, probably has a harsher connotation to it. Okay. But. Yeah, probably has a harsher connotation to it. Okay. But either way, God decides to have a bear come and kill the kids. What the fuck? So those stories are the most fascinating to me. Because like how petty people were. And it was obvious like there was like human like feelings of the world divorced from God's. If there is a pure loving God and that God gave us a message,

like the people fucked that message up. By the time they translated it down, there's a lot of human jizz all over it. A lot of human junk in it. That's what this whole like Promethea thing explains in a really beautiful way. Have you ever read the Apocrypha? No.

Those are the books that were taken out of the Bible. I haven't read them either, but I know a little bit about them. It's kind of like, I kind of look at some of that as political and a sign of the times. You know, you were sort of trying to steer people a certain way. I don't know.

To me, the most interesting version is the Dead Sea Scrolls. Sure. Did you ever read any of that stuff, like the John Marco Allegro stuff? Mm-mm. John Marco Allegro was a scholar who was also, he was agnostic, but he was an ordained minister. So he became an ordained minister, and then he started studying theology, and he eventually became agnostic. But he was a language expert, and so he was hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls. So they did it for 14 years, he decipher a language expert. And so he was hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls. So they did it for 14 years.

He deciphered these things. They're putting together these. They had to use DNA because they had to make sure that the cow, the fragments were from the same cow, which would indicate that it was the same piece of skin. Okay. Because it's literally on animal skins. They found them in these ceramic vessels in Qumran,

hidden in the fucking side of a mountain. Wild shit. So they take these down. They realize this is the oldest version of the bible by far and it's the I think it's in Aramaic it's one of the only ones in Aramaic and at the end of this translation over 14 years John Marco Allegro writes a book called the sacred mushroom in the cross and he says the entire religion was a misunderstanding and what it was originally about was psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And that that's what created this religion. These people were taking mushrooms and they were experiencing God and they were having fertility rituals because they were trying to be as bountiful and have as many babies as possible.

And that's what the Bible was originally all about. Now, by the way, it's heavily disputed. A lot of people don't agree with them. A lot of people think it's blasphemy and it's this and it's that. But the fact remains that this guy was a legit scholar, rock solid credentials, not a drug addict, not a guy who even did psychedelics. But it was his interpretation after all this time that a lot of the things in the story had meanings that would go back to psychedelic mushrooms. And one of them was the word Christ. He said you could trace the word Christ back to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen. What?

They thought that when it rained, it was the Lord putting semen on the earth. And that's why things would grow from the rain. And one of the things that would grow was these mushrooms, like overnight. So overnight they'd find these psilocybin mushrooms and these amanita muscaria mushrooms, like, on cow shit. And they'd pick them up and they'd eat them and they'd trip balls. And so they wanted to protect that and hide that from intruders. And they hid it in stories and allegories. And this was his assertion.

Well, that's the thing, too. Like, first of all wild wild yeah but like this like when do we have the opportunity to record something like this is all handmade these are stories these are stories for story and allegory and like it's really I mean it's amazing how we can marry ourselves to these ideas and concepts and and like and i and i have mine i really do uh that are real for me in in thought and spirit and intention and but like i mean we people have decimated other countries over these allegories and these stories. Sure. Yeah, they've crushed nations, killed innocents. And we're probably doing it right now.

tipped between like you know your ideologies that become religions and and the way that we um attack and and defend and like i i don't know i don't know what to do out there you know but this stuff we're talking about um and even in just like as an idea is fascinating and i loved i love to explore it like why not explore the idea of Christ being a mushroom? It might really be. It might really be. Because if you think about like some of the teachings of Christ, they really like align with like psychedelic mindset. Treating each other like we're all the same. That we're all one.

No, I felt that oneness before. That feeling, that thing, that God place, like 100%. 100%. And I have my interpretation of it. And so does so many people. Yeah. So many people do. It's kind of like, do you want to write a book about it called The Secret?

Or do you want to just live your life the right way? Just be cool, man. Yeah, try to be cool, man. Be cool. Jesus, just be cool. So cool. Yeah. yeah and try to be cool man jesus just be cool yeah but it's like that's what we're all doing right we're all just trying to figure out how to live life better and when something comes along that seems to be like a method that other people are using whether it's a religion or whether it's being a democrat whatever it is that like gets you thinking that you're on the right side of things and you're with a good community and you support, you know, you get into it.

We have problems in adopting patterns of thinking and behavior and being tribal and fucking being against other people that we determined to be of a differing ideology. And we would justify like horrible behavior in the name of doing that i don't know if that's our fault necessarily like i think the influence of of technology or other machines that we don't really know about yet like that pit us against each other we used to be able to coexist with different ideas and religions and opinions but now it's like it it is it is so polarized and it's like life or death. There is a lot of polarization and you're right. There are a lot of foreign factors like there's a lot of governments that are dedicated to fucking with people online and getting people to fight with each other. That's real. I mean that is a hundred percent real thing that seems like it shouldn't be real. It seems like espionage, cyber espionage, like some kind of crazy diversion of the attention of people. But it's real. They really are doing it. And whether it has a 1% effect on people or a 10% effect on people,

whatever effect, it has an effect. And you got to be aware of it. But I think that's one of those things that we're going to work through. We're going to have to be more sophisticated about what we absorb. And ultimately, it's going to be like a cyber winter. We're going to have to be more sophisticated about what we absorb. And ultimately, it's going to be like a cyber winter. We're going to have to go through a cyber winter, develop some thick skin. And maybe that's what kids are going through. They're going through a cyber winter. Like, I wouldn't want them to go through winter. I never went through winter.

My poor children have to shovel snow. Maybe that's what they have to do. They have to shovel cyber snow. All-wheel drive upstairs. All-wheel drive with your mind. Free yourself from it. And maybe it's our job as people that have lived in both realms. You and I both grew up with no internet. And then all of a sudden there was an internet when we became adults. And we kind of grew up with it along the way. It absorbs and becomes a part of your life and but we know both worlds they're not going to know both worlds yeah i feel fortunate never understand they will never understand our

version of the world just like we'll never understand the people that came over on a fucking horse pulled buggy a wagon with your family your babies on a wagon and there's a dusty road and there's like seven or eight other people like you ahead of you. And like 20 things that are going to kill you in the next day. And then you see Indians. And you're like, well, we're going to be one of those stories. We're not going to make it. I loved Edward.

What a show. The American West, like think about how fascinating people were with like the settling of the American West. And that's only like a couple of hundred years. It's not a long time in human history, but it's so iconic in our understanding of what happened to America. You know what the best interpretation of it I think is? What? The Clint Eastwood movie.

What is that movie? Clint Eastwood, the one where he's the older guy and he came back do you remember Jamie I know which one you're talking about yes god damn it I'm so sorry I can't remember it right now no it's on the tip of my tongue Morgan Freeman Clint Eastwood um I know I know damn it people are screaming at their phones right now I'm so sorry Unforgiven? Unforgiven Thank you

I thought it was like a Harder one No I just couldn't get it It just wasn't there for me I didn't take Alpha Brain today There it is I'm just kidding That's a reverse commercial

I didn't take Alpha Brain Now I'm stupid But that movie was That was like the end it was it was such a good it was almost like

he was wrapping up a story like he had to do these movies when he was younger and he had a version of the West that was very cartoonish in a way

and maybe even missing you know missing some beats of reality they're 1970s movies right and then he made a real one.

And in this one, this one's harsh. This one's harsh. And this one gets you a feeling like you, what it really would be like to live back then. Oh my God. Think about what it smelled like. Like all these brothels and disgusting people.

Yeah. Oh my God. Their breath, let alone like, like going to a whorehouse. Everyone had to be disgusting. Everyone's dying of syphilis. Oh my God. Yeah, oh my God. Everyone's teeth are rotting out of their fucking heads. Let alone like going to a whorehouse. Everyone had to be disgusting. Everyone's dying of syphilis. Oh my God.

No, it's really- You know, they say that that's what happened. Europeans came over to America and got syphilis and brought it back to Europe. Yeah. That's like during the 1400s when all those dudes were wearing the wigs because they had like holes in their heads because of syphilis. That's over the vajaj. I know.

They had one of those too. But those people got it. They got it from here. Apparently, that's the theory. That was their super bug, Joe. Yeah. They brought it over to them. That's the scariest thing.

You think about like 90% of the people in this whole continent were killed by disease over a small period of time. I think that's where this like survival of the fittest came in. Like you had to fight to live and you were in a covered wagon trying to have a better life than wherever you were coming from. And you probably didn't know what kind of dangers lay ahead. Fuck no. They didn't really tell you that well. No. No.

I mean, like, imagine all the animals that were omnipresent all over this country that aren't, like, you don't have bears in, you know, California. Well, you still do. Yeah. If one of your horses gets taken out in the middle of the night by a wolf. Wolves. Wolf. Tigers. Or cougars, rather, not tigers. Jaguars. Were there jaguars?

There's jaguars still in America. They show up in Arizona. Oh, yeah. There were tons of cougars. Are cougars and jaguars the same thing, or are they different? No, no, no. Jaguar is a South American animal. Right, right, right. It's a really big cat. Right. Jaguars are like- Bigger than a cougar and jaguars the same thing? Or are they different? No, no, no. Jaguar is a South American animal. Right, right, right, right.

And it's a really big cat. Right. Jaguars are like- Bigger than a cougar? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think jaguars- I don't think they have them.

I think Florida has a puma. And it's a mountain lion, basically. It's a mountain lion that lives in Florida. And they, unfortunately, a lot of them get hit on the highways. I've seen it. Yeah. Have you? I've seen dead ones, yeah.

Really? I've seen dead ones, yeah. In Florida? No, Montana. Oh, yeah. I think one on the highways. I've seen it. Yeah. Have you? I've seen dead ones, yeah. Really? I've seen dead ones, yeah. In Florida? No, Montana. Oh, yeah. I think one was in Montana. I've seen two. But, like, I mean, you could see it.

It was clearly a big cat. Yeah. But. I've seen them in the wild on three occasions. One, two occasions. It was very briefly, and they were both pretty small. One of them was in the woods in Colorado. One of them was on the street in Montecito.

No shit? Yeah. I saw this thing, and I thought it was a coyote for a second, and I saw the tail. I was like, oh shit, that's a cat. Wow. It was a big cat. Not a big cat, like 60 pounds, something like that.

And then I saw one in Utah a year ago that was about 180, 190. Oh my God. It was huge. It was big. Were you far away? Yeah, I was 30 yards away, and I was inside of a truck. But it was chilling. I was looking through the glasses at it.

I had put up binoculars, so I was like looking. It was only 30 yards away, and I'm looking. I'm like right on top of it with the binos. They're really good binoculars. And it is huge. It has this giant pumpkin head because it's got all these muscles on the side of its head for crushing things. I mean, this is a big tom. And it has enormous paws and forearms.

That's what I noticed. Like the forearms were enormous. They're these big, thick, like rope-like things that take out elk. And it's just sitting there like that underneath this tree looking at us we're like holy shit so when you're hunting i mean you're susceptible oh yeah so what do you like are you i mean obviously you hunt with other people yeah generally i use at least going with at least one guy most of the time it's one guy and me that's it yeah that sounds like you should get more guys.

You should be with at least four. Nope. You make too much noise. You make too much noise. You can't get too much smell and too much movement and too much noise. You want to do it with the minimum amount

of people possible. So too much smell. So do you like, are you aware of like what you wash with that day? It won't work. It won't work. Their noses are too good.

Wow. It's so insane, their sense of smell. It's all about finding You don't wash with that day and stuff? It won't work. Their noses are too good. It's so insane, their sense of smell. It's all about finding where the wind is going. So what you do is you carry this little wind checker with you. So it's like a white powder, like talcum powder, and you puff it in the air. And it shows you which way the wind is blowing. So if the wind is blowing that way, we're going that way. Because that way the wind is in our face and the animals aren't going to get our scent.

Their scent is going to come towards us, but they're not getting our scent. But if they do get your scent, you're fucked. From hundreds of yards away. Hundreds of yards away they pop up and one of them will bark. And then they fucking take off. They make noises. They woof. Different animals do different things have you had any like um scary run-ins with things i haven't had any scary run-ins with things other

than in alberta i did see a grizzly bear and that was a very different and it wasn't a big one either it was like a six foot bear which is not big for grizzly bears but it was the the way it looked at me was so much different than anything that I've ever seen in the wild. It looks at you like this. Like black bears, I've seen black bears in the wild, and they look at you like this, like, what are you? Are you going to eat me?

Are you going to eat food, or am I going to eat you? Are you going to eat me? They're a little nervous. Grizzly bears don't look at you like that. They look at you like this. Like right at you. Am I going to eat you? He was trying to think, if she'd eat me. And we had shotguns.

And so- Do you have a handgun too? Not at the time. I feel like you should bring a handgun. Probably a good move when you're around bears. Bring a shotgun and a handgun. Just because you're my friend and I love you. Probably bring armor and shit.

Probably should not be there. This is more me worrying about you. But just looking at them eye to eye and thinking, this is a thing that's taking out moose. This thing's out eating moose calves and shit. Yeah. And cannibalizing other bears too. They eat each other a lot. I like to fall asleep to like planet Earth.

Stuff like that if I'm anxious. But I have to avoid the hardcore parts. You know, basically bears and and like tigers because it just gets it's too intense and i'm trying to relax but then my heart rate goes up but you know it might be more intense but we're just not looking at it at scale as praying mantises they might be the most evil motherfuckers on earth i went down a praying mantis rabbit hole this morning. Did you see one? No. I was watching a fucking Instagram reel, and it had this praying mantis that was destroying like a caterpillar, just holding it, and just eats the whole thing. I mean, it's almost as big as it.

Yeah. And it consumes the whole thing. Then she kills her lover. Is that what they do? Oh, yeah. Praying mantises do that? Yeah. They kill their mate. They mate with them, do? Oh, yeah. Praying mantises do that? Yeah, they kill their mate.

They mate with them and then they eat them. That's a black widow thing too, right? No, I don't think so. I think that's a praying mantis thing. I thought the black widow, that was like the whole thing. Jamie? She kills the dad. Like, fuck you, bitch.

I'll raise my own kids. No, I think they go off and he's like, here's your baby. Bye. Take care of it. Really? Hmm. I don't know. But no, here's your baby. Bye. Take care of it. Really? Hmm. I don't know. But no, praying mantis myth. Myth.

When black widows spiders mate, the female always kills and eats the male. Fact. This myth, which is not totally false, but very far from true, is believed even by scientists and can be found in many ecology textbooks. Okay, but if it's not totally false. It's like, do you eat your husbands? I don't eat all my husbands. Sometimes they... That's the same with praying mantis. They do a good job

and they're polite. I let them live. But I've seen it. Like, I've seen them. They kind of stick together and then all of a sudden one of their heads is gone. You know what's the most evil? What? Octopuses. What? Because female octopuses are larger than the males and they'll have sex with the males until they decide they don't want

to anymore, and then they often kill them and eat them. That is unfortunate. So the male might successfully breed with the female like 13 times in a row, and he's going back for lucky 14. She's like, not today, bitch. You worn out, you're welcome. And she kills him and she eats him.

Yeah, but he died doing what he loves good point solid point what a ruthless world that is and you want to complain about pronouns Jesus Christ that's what I'm saying

you're not a plural that was one of my favorite Dave Chappelle's when he was talking about, like, they're coming for you. And he's like, well, they, they, or they? Like, he was trying to figure out which they's were coming for him. Did you know the Black Widow's venom liquefies its victim and it sucks it up? That is terrifying. Jesus Christ.

This article says that that's exactly what it does to male. I just read through the whole thing and it's kind of like. Feast on males after mating with them and liquefy their prey. What the fuck? If that's the case, that other person sounds like a black widow apologist. I read through the whole thing. Didn't they? Very much so.

Like, no, sometimes it's true. You've got to say something nice. Let's not focus on that. Let's focus on how good they are. It's not all bad. How good they are at raising black widows. They're so successful. They've infiltrated the community. They're under all your pool mattresses.

Spiders apparently do it, not just black widows. Oh, they all do it. There's a lot of spiders that do that. Oh, Jesus. That insect world, that's what I'm talking about. That is the motherfucker of worlds. Yeah. And that praying mantis is the motherfucker of the insect world, that's what I'm talking about. That is the motherfucker of worlds. Yeah. And that praying mantis is the motherfucker of the insect world. They just hold on to bees.

They catch bees and they're like, nah, bitch, I'm just going to eat you head first. They eat them asshole first. Like they have bees. It's ruthless out there. I don't know what to tell you. Find a video of a praying mantis eating a wasp. They just kill wasps. And when they do them, they're like, you ain't shit. I've known people that kept them as pets, which I thought was...

Praying mantises? Yeah. Look at that. Just eating a bee. Like, look at that. What the fuck, man? You almost feel sorry for the bee. They're like, the bee is closer.

Don't you... Aren't you on Team Bee right there? Because the bee is like furry. He's kind of like us. I'm always on Team Bee. We need them. I love honey. But look at this evil motherfucker.

Just eat his head. Just grab that bee from behind like he's Hoist Gracie and eat his fucking head. They look like aliens. They're so scary. Look at that AB between your light thing. Is that a clock? Oh, yeah. And then this guy.

Do you imagine if that thing was as big as an ostrich? I mean, I guess I am now. You know how fucked we'd be? Yeah, yeah. All that stuff is super scary. Otherworldly. You know, aliens. It's just like these are all aliens just on a micro level.

It would be like A Quiet Place. Like that movie? A real life version of that movie. That's what that would be. I'm not ready for it. Praying mantis is chasing us down. What is that little jewel figuration on its forehead? That's Thanos' jewel.

If he gets all five of them, he grows this size of a giraffe and kills everybody. That's okay. The three simple eyes. It is. His eyeballs up there. What are those things to the left and the right? Super eyes? Compound eyes. Oh my God. He has compound eyes and simple eyes. It is. His eyeballs up there. What are those things to the left and the right? Super eyes? Compound eyes.

Oh, my God. He has compound eyes and simple eyes. He's a murderous predator. You ever see him kill hummingbirds? No, I didn't know they did that. That's so sad. That's awful. Yeah, go to Praying Mantis Kills Hummingbird.

No, I don't want to see that. No, I love them. No. They stay around bird feeders. But we just need to know how ruthless these things are Because you would think there's no way They're not big enough Watch this

This is so crazy So it's just sitting there And the bird has no idea Do they have sticky feet? No they have talons They pierce the fucking body cavity Of that thing with talons And then just drag it up towards it and slowly

consume it. And they do it all the time. This is not like, oh, I'll try eating that. No, they eat. Look at it. He's just taking chunks out of the fucking hummingbird. Why are you making me watch this? Dude, they're fucking ruthless.

I don't want to see it. Look at this. He's going to eat that little mouse. He's going to eat a mouse. Watch this shit. No. They eat mice. Oh, hello, little mouse. I'm just a stick. Don't mind me. Bam, bitch. mouse. Watch this shit. They eat mice. Oh, hello, little mouse.

I'm just a stick. Don't mind me. Bam, bitch. Look at that. That is a fucking super predator. Imagine something that could take out something that's quite a bit heavier than that. Oh, my God. Because the mantis is way lighter than that fucking mouse.

Well, they're kind of reptilian in that way. Like, a reptile can eat all these things. No, they eat reptiles. No, but I'm saying, like, they eat things that are, like, three times as big as they are. Oh, yeah, I get that. I guess. Yeah, reptiles do that. I'm a big fan of the videos

where the birds of prey are struggling with a snake, and then they get away and they live. Because I love birds. I think insects are scarier than reptiles and lizards. Insects are like the lowest form of evil. This is... They make them look like flowers.

Yeah, they can color themselves to like... They can look like anything. No, that is absolutely horrifying. Look at that. That thing is pure white like the leaves it's sitting on. It looks like a cockatoo. And it's just destroying things. And look at that.

It looks just like a flower. And then you go over and land and it's like, oh on over I'm ready I'm your friend and come on right here here's a good spot for you to land if you land I'm just a flower I'm definitely not a murderous predatory raptor like insect BAM got you bitch He tried didn't get him That was a mistake. That's a lot of movement So this thing is like picking up on movement and just trying to find the right time to explode They're fast too. Have you ever seen him like move? When does it get it? It keeps trying. They can run So this is interesting that it's not always successful. Oh, I got it there.

So where did he get it? Oh, right there. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Holding it like a baby that it's eating. They're so ruthless. It's such a ruthless insect. Oh, my God.

And they're fascinating to see in the wild because you look at them and they really are different than all the other insects because they're a predator of insects. Like the predator of the ones that we're all scared of, like bees. Why are we scared? I'm not scared of bees. Are you scared of bees? Because they'll kill you if none of them bite you at once. Don't you remember the killer bees? Everybody's worried about Africanized killer bees. I'm not worried about them. I think they're okay. I like

flowers. Those are gnarly looking things. Whoa. What the fuck? What are those things? Is it a different kind of mantis? That's a gnarly looking thing. Is that real? Whoa. What the fuck? What are those things? I think they have costumes on. It's a different kind of mantis? That's a mantis with a costume. They're cosplaying mantises. That's what it looks like.

No, that's a real, that seems like some sort of a real bug. I don't think it's a mantis, but it's something. It's a mantis channel. Oh, it's a kind of mantis maybe? Man, it's got mantis. Appendages. Characteristics. Jamie's an insect doctor. Yeah, it's got Mantis appendages. He's like, Dad!

Jamie's an insect doctor. Yeah, it's whatever it is. Yeah, we're lucky they're little. That's all I'm saying. You're gonna be okay. I am. Are you? I think so. I think so too. Yeah. I think we're all gonna be fine. But I do think that we legitimately are gonna become something different than we are now.

Just like we are different than Little House on the Prairie. We are different. Sure. We're a different thing. We're a different thing. And that thing that made us a different thing is just the beginning. It's just the tip of the iceberg. I guess we'll see.

We're going to see. I think we're going to be okay. But we're not. It's the real devil. That's the real devil? Look at those. Devil mantis. Devil mantis.

It looks very suggestive. Look at that. Oh, that's its... Okay, I thought that was its other side. They're up in a defensive pose. They're trying to strike. I haven't seen that. Those are weird looking.

Just imagine if that's as big as a giraffe. I'm good. I've seen the movie we watched Predator recently that was Predator was passionate about their killing which one? Prey? I think so the Comanche girl? No

that's good you gotta settle into it suspension of disbelief, very important. Again, Predator. But fun. One of those moments where Schwarzenegger's character was like about to smash his head with a rock. And then he's like, even though this guy, this thing killed all his friends. And he's like, you know what?

I think I'm gonna let you live. And the thing tries to kill him again. Like, why not just smash him with the rock? Why give him that second chance? What's the point? Plot line. Didn't like it? I'm exhausted at that point.

I want to see this thing dead. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You'll like the new one. The new one's cool. Okay. It's about the Comanches. Okay.

The Comanches fight the predator. Oh, so it's a period piece? Yeah. Okay. It's a girl Comanche fights the predator. Oh, I like that. Cool. It's good.

Yeah. Bring it on. I was like, come on. It's pretty good. It's fun. It's fun. That's, you know, if aliens really are visiting us, that's the least of our concerns. They're hunting us.

Oh, yeah. I think we'd literally be like stepping on worms. If they were hunting us, we would probably be gone by now. I think at this point they're just studying us and figuring out what the hell is wrong with us. I think for sure there is something from another world that observes us. And I think it makes sense. If there are a thing that are that advanced that's out there, why wouldn't they keep an eye on us?

And if there is a thing, they would understand how fragile our fucking little psyches are. Why would they let themselves be known? I think there's a slow trickle of information as our technology expands and we'd be able to track things better and better radar

systems and they're getting more and more data and i think that's how it's supposed to be i think that's how we're supposed to figure it's not like they're going to land on the white house lawn hello we are here with wisdom i don't think that's going to happen but i think we're going to slowly become more and more aware of their existence because we're slowly going to have better and better systems that pick up things on earth and other places i'm not sure if there's a difference between like god or that idea like what's well here's the thing if that idea if if if human beings create a cyborg and that cyborg is infinitely more intelligent than a human and the cyborg invents a better cyborg. And it keeps going

until someone gets to a point where they control black holes. They can create new universes. That is a god. Maybe that's what the creative force of the universe is going through us. Maybe the idea that you are a god. It sounds so fucking crystals. We just watched that 90s movie, Event Horizon. Which is that? Oh, well that was the

horrible one. It was very scary. Yeah, that was a good scary sci-fi movie. By the end. I was like I needed to go take a walk Yeah, Lawrence Fishburne. Yeah, yeah, yeah solid movie. Yeah, that's it. That's a good movie. That was like a wormhole movie They went through a wormhole and satanic shit happened. Yeah, it was like the underside of the Yes, hell was hell But I think if human beings can do what we can do, being these weird primates and these weird talking animals that have figured out how to manipulate our environment and integrate with technology in a crazy

way that no other animals doing, it just seems to make sense to me that that if you could stay alive for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years, if human beings continue to evolve could stay alive for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years if human beings continue to evolve and stay alive they will eventually assume the power of gods i think that's what they're trying to do like we already have the ability to kill everyone on the planet if this stupid shit with russia and ukraine if this goes down to the point where like nuclear weapons are exchanged between countries. There's enough nuclear weapons to kill everybody.

I don't think it's going to be them. I think it's going to be China. Why would you think that? A lot of reasons. Yeah. I have to pee so badly. Okay. Should we wrap this up?

We should wrap this up. We've done so many hours. We're obliterated. It was great to see you, my friend. Always. It was so good to see you um tell people your um social media yeah yeah um i have in uh actually this audio tree session coming out november 3rd which is tomorrow um and that is a video recorded live performance that's streamable on Spotify and Apple Music and all that stuff. But I'm Susanto, S-O-O-Z-A-N-T-O on Instagram, Facebook, and all that shit. And what's the best way for someone to get your music?

I mean, you want to buy it from my website, but you can- Is that the best way? I'm on all the things. Is that the best way, the website? Sure. What's the website? If you want it, oh, Susansanto.com. And is that the best way the website sure what's the website if you want it oh suzannesanto.com

and can they download digital from your website as well I think so you don't even know you can just stream it that's my audio tree there you go

yay hey and um so is everything listed on your website where people can find all the stuff you've done

it is okay yeah well thank you my friend thanks for having me. Always good to see you. This was fun. It was really fun.

It was really fun. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.