The Joe Rogan Experience - #1898 - Neal Brennan

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

Neal Brennan is a stand-up comedian, actor, writer, director and producer. His latest special, "Neal Brennan: Blocks," is now streaming on Netflix. www.nealbrennan.com

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day! Can you handle this? That's not physical, it's like, can you handle being in an incredibly abstract place and your brain doing shit it's never done before? Yeah, that seems to be what happens if people can't handle it is the just the resistance of it just like no no no and then

that's the bad trip yeah they say like surrender and i've had i've had you know journeys joe when you're in the medicine game, as long as I've been in it, you call it medicine. Plant medicine. It doesn't immediately, red flags go up. I want to punch myself in the face. Oh my God, don't say plant medicine. Can't not say it. I'm wearing a fucking ayahuasca anklet as we speak,

and I want to punch myself in the other side of the face. There's so much jargon and lingo that goes with psychedelic talk that leads to cults. Yeah. It's not different at all. Did you watch the Orgasm Inc. documentary on Netflix yet? No. It's about that one touch. It's really funny.

I heard it's great. It's great. It's just it all the same shit happens it doesn't matter where it's the i did a joke one time that uh every cult at some point the the leader of every religious cult says hey god uh spoke to me and he says i gotta fuck all your wives yeah Yeah. Without fail. Every one of them. Every sink across the board. All of them. Yep.

Sorry, guys. I got that call. Yeah. Send your wife in. I'm going to fuck her now. God decided now's the time. This one was different because it's a female leader. And it was based on orgasm.

But this one was like, you got to fuck him if you're having a hard time. This one was like, you got to fuck him if you're having a hard time. It was like the opposite of HR where it was, you know, you should, if you have a problem with him, you got to fuck him. There's a place here that was a cult and the building was for sale. I almost bought the building. I was like in negotiation. Oh, that's where you were going to have the club, right? Yeah.

It's the documentary's called Holy Hell. I still haven't watched it. It's on my list. It's fucking wild. It started out in Los Angeles, and this guy, he would get his male disciples, and he would give them therapy, make them pay for therapy. It was like 50 bucks, and then he would fuck them. Another hallmark, for therapy. It was like 50 bucks. Then he would fuck them. Another hallmark, yeah. It's like pyramid scheme.

Yeah. Yep. Hey, bad news. I got to fuck you. That's part of the deal. I don't know what to say. You want to be in there? Real therapy.

Part of the group or not? Yeah. It's just so sad. Listen to these guys tell the story. There's some weird thing about human beings where they gravitate towards a big leader, but towards someone who claims they have the answers and seems very confident and can speak reasonably well. There's almost like a cheat code where people just like they get locked into that. It feels like order.

It just feels like order it just feels like order if you go if somebody says i know and they're tall first of all if they're tall that gets you like 60 of the way there that helps if they're tall and says i know what we should do huh charismatic good looking fit, attractive to women. It just makes you feel like a daddy's here. Some daddy's here. A different daddy. It's like, oh, all right, that's what people like about Trump.

That's what people like about Obama. Most presidents are some form of that. Yeah. Reagan. Yeah. Certainly two termers. Georgeorge w bush in a weird way form a you know what i mean like a sort of he george bush george w bush guy walked like he had a fucking two foot cock guy walked like he had he had to leave room for two dicks. That's how wide his gait was.

And he said he used to practice it. He practiced his gait? George W. Bush used to practice his gait. Really? You look it up. Yeah. He would talk about it in interviews. Can you imagine walking around your house practicing your impressive walk?

Yeah. Well, can you imagine anyone more than him doing it? It's like the exact guy that would do that. Like, I'm going to practice walk. Yeah. Well, can you imagine anyone more than him doing it? It's like the exact guy that would do that. Like, I'm going to practice walk. Yeah. Bush's renewed confidence. This is 2005. Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking. That's how President Bush described himself during his acceptance speech at last year's Republican National Convention in New York City. But for much of this year, the president seemed to have lost the... Okay. It's just-

Yeah, but I've seen other interviews where he talked about- Talked about actually practicing his walk. Yeah. Well, they were originally from Maine. They're like kind of fake Texans. Come on, Joe. Yeah, they were from Kennebunker. No, I know. They couldn't be more blue blood. Yeah. you know they're like kind of fake text come on joe yeah they were from i know they're like

they couldn't be more blue blood yeah his dad george bush senior was head of the cia yeah yeah yeah which is weird now i wonder if that would help him now politically i was the head of the cia uh didn't hurt him then didn't hurt him but only one term yeah but that was because of uh what's his face uh perot yeah yeah rosh perot yeah i'll tell you what's going on fucking guys great that guy he fucking threw the whole thing out the window like when he bought television at time like prime time television time he's like i'll just buy the whole hour and gave the networks money so they could run his Speech and talk about how you're getting fucked by the IRS people at home like what the fuck is it? Literally is like one of the very first internet. Yeah

Absolutely. Yeah, he made himself go viral and he appealed to people that were not There's like a whole part of the country that's not spoken to yeah by i mean mass media you can call it liberal media i don't even think i think there's like a level that they just people just don't want to talk to them it's like people that that aren't especially rich or sophisticated or any of the stuff that people think is great and that advertisers want to appeal to, and then Ross Broves is like, look here. And it's like a beacon for people.

It's like a siren song where people are like, what's that? This guy, and that, by the way, a billionaire. And it's not about, people think it's about, he didn't seem like a billionaire. That's the, that was his like, that's Trump's appeal too. Like he doesn't seem like a rich guy. Seems like a regular guy. That's funny. Like Dr. Oz lost.

How? Because he seemed like a liberal. Fetterman seemed like a conservative. Because I think so much of it is just looks. You can speak to this yourself. People are against you because you're fit. People that are like fucking meathead. I'm like, he's not a meathead. Fucking yeah, he is. It's because you look, you just are, people wouldn't believe that you and I are friends. Do you know what I mean? It's like when a turtle hangs out with a fucking python.

And the turtle's just riding the top of a python. People go like, how are they? It's like we're unexpected animal friends. So I just think it's so much of it is looks. So much. A lot of it is, right? Way more than people would admit. Anybody that saw the Fetterman debate would go, oh, this guy needs help.

Couldn't watch. I literally couldn't watch it. I knew like that's going to, it feels cruel or something. Yeah, it is cruel. It's cruel to put a guy in a position like that who's recovering from a stroke. You're not supposed to be under that kind of stress. Want coffee? Drink coffee?

I do. I need too much shit. You put a lot of stuff in it? I put in all kinds of garbage. Starbucks app? Splenda. Oh, Joe, I got the app. The app.

Menti Soy Misto. I love an app. Yeah, I get there, pick it up. By the way, if you were homeless would you ever wouldn't you just go grab food off the shelf at any chipotle yeah immediately i would just go right to starbucks it's like you're allowed to go in there yep for and they go who's you for josh yeah there's probably a josh on the shelf. Just walk in, grab it, walk out. Grab it, go over to the boat lake, get your lunch. Yeah. Go to the park.

I mean, it must happen constantly. But they're shutting Starbucks left and right because they're just inundated with homeless people. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's like when they kicked those black guys out in Philadelphia, you remember? Yeah. They kicked the Giants' tank, and then they decided not kicking anybody out of Starbucks ever. Even if you're not

a if you're not a paid customer it's okay and then the homeless people went great yep say no more yeah we'll be right there isn't it wild that one decision how much did that one decision that that one manager make cost starbucks by changing their policy and allowing homeless people to just linger around smell like shit did they officially change their policy yeah they officially changed it yeah yeah that's what they call an overcorrection a giant one yeah I was I read a thing last night that there's it's like similar but different where there's so many people quit working at hospitals that there's now incredibly long waits at hospitals like now. And COVID's like low.

Well, they fired so many of them because they wouldn't get vaccinated. Oh, the thing I read said that 300,000 people quit in the last in 2020 and 2021. Well, I'm sure there's that, too. Well, I'm sure there's that too. I'm sure there's quitting too. But a lot of them just, they had the option, get vaccinated or lose your job. And they were like, we went through this when there was no vaccine. We all got COVID, you fucks. We risked our lives.

We're in here every day. And now you're going to make us get vaccinated when there's no science behind behind it we literally have antibodies that are seven times better than what you get from the vaccine and you're making people get vaccinated just for what for a virtue signal for so you can tell everybody that everyone's vaccinated like there's zero science behind that and they all like these were our heroes that were on the front lines and then they fired them if you were the if you were the king of the earth or let's say king of america which some would say you are uh if you're the king of america what how would you have handled covid from february 2020 like what would you have done because i i feel like we all have, like, I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that.

I don't know what the better solution would have been. Especially when you consider stuff like hospitals and quitting and deaths and triage. Like, where at one point Wuhan was going to build, they built that hospital in a week, which America just can't do, shit like that. To me, it was always a hospital bed issue. Well, in some ways. The problem, it's a health issue, right? And you're dealing with vast swaths of the population that have very fragile bodies, very fragile health. People that are in bad health, naturally in bad health.

That's a lot of people. Do you have never cared? I would say, what is it, percent of americans are obese yeah something like that somewhere in the neighborhood and you know and that's just obesity then you have these people that maybe they're not obese but they have terrible blood blood pressure and they eat terrible food their immune system shot you know diabetes there's a lot of fucked up people in this country and that was what was exposed by covid no matter what anybody did it was going to be bad for those people that there is no if ands or buts about it no matter what anybody did that disease was going to wreck people with damaged immune systems

it was just and especially overweight plurality of people, almost half, to say nothing of just old people. Right, of course. I would argue there's more, let's go 60-40 unhealthy to healthy in America. You could almost go 70-30. Yeah, I think you could go 70-30. I mean, you go 80-20,

I mean, you know what I mean, depending on your definition. 20 is really crazy. Yeah, fit, then you're down to like 5%. Yeah. Yeah, which is nuts. Like, it's not that hard to work out. But the thing about COVID in that regard is that there's really no solution that made any sense.

Like, when there was no vaccine and the medications were confusing, it was hard to know what was real and what wasn't. Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and you know what about monoclonal antibodies and all these different and it was always never clear what did what yeah it's very very dangerous whenever you have a new disease because you do have people trying these off-label medications and some of them work and some of them don't and then you have a lot of pressure from the companies that are producing vaccines because they only they want a binary solution because that's where all the cash is.

And then you have the emergency use exemption, which the only way you get that emergency use exemption is if there is no treatment that's available that works. So if you are the person that's in charge and you stand to make untold billions of dollars from the vaccine, which they did. They suppress any information. I don't disagree with that. I'm wondering, with that playing field, what does the king do? You definitely don't shut the country down. You definitely don't. You give people the option. Sometimes I think that, and then I look at 300,000 people quitting healthcare, and I'm

like, that's an unforeseen consequence. Do you know what i mean like how about the restaurants how about the small businesses yeah so much of the suicide yeah yeah oh yeah drug uh drug abuse and drug overdose and that's from shutdowns from shutdown so and then you go well what if we don't shut it down well then you get florida flor had deaths, but if you look at it, Florida, first of all, is very old, a lot of old people. And if you adjust by age, Florida did better than a lot of other states. What they did was say, we're going to protect our elderly, protect our vulnerable, and everything stays open. And everyone's like, you're crazy. Everyone's going to die. And it turns out, no,

turns out they were right. And the economy there didn't suffer. In fact, real estate went through the roof. I mean, that was everywhere. Yeah. Well, there in particular, because a lot of people moved there. I mean, their economy did well. And the same thing with Texas. They didn't shut down. I mean, they shut down for a little bit. And then they were like, you know, we're going to open up, and we're going to be cautious, and you should be careful of your own health. And if you're a person who's vulnerable, take care of yourself. Do whatever you want to do. Yeah, I guess it's just the downstream effects of that. You just can't shut the whole country down and expect that everything's going to be fine when you start it back up again.

Disastrous results. that everything's going to be fine when you start it back up again. Disastrous results. And whenever the economy crashes like it did with that, you have all these other unforeseen side effects of that. And a big one is people's mental health and anxiety and like how's that going to affect the rest of their life. When someone works for 20, 30 years on a business and you have a business and it's up and running and it's getting by and you're making a profit.

And then all of a sudden the government comes along and says, you have to shut this business down. And maybe you've already had COVID. And maybe you were one of the lucky ones where it wasn't that big of a deal. And you got over it and you're like, okay, I got antibodies now. I'm not worried. And now the government tells you you can't work. You cannot. It's against the law. If you do, you'll be arrested. anybody's now. I'm not worried. And now the government tells you you can't work. You cannot. It's against the law.

If you do, you'll be arrested. It's madness. It's unprecedented. Never happened before. I agree. I don't think it's – well, it hasn't happened probably since the flu. That was the problem. That was the problem was shutting things down and telling people what they can't do. And also having this blanket solution for people,

whether they're 80 and fat or whether they're 20 and fit, which is nuts. You can't treat all bodies like they're exactly the same thing. That makes zero sense. It's as a leader, you kind of have to though, right? You know what I mean? It does have to be though, right? You know what I mean? You kind of have... It does have to be one size fits all somewhat.

Yeah, but you don't have to impose restrictions. You can impose... You could tell people that these are the best suggestions in terms of what we should do to preserve health. But the reality of respiratory viruses is you cannot contain them. They've never been contained. No one has ever successfully contained a respiratory virus. If people are allowed to walk and they're allowed to talk

and they're allowed to eat, they're going to fucking spread it. No matter what draconian rules they put down in Australia or in China, it fucking spreads. It burns through the people. And a lot of virologists and people that are experts in respiratory diseases were saying this at the very beginning of the pandemic. They were saying, listen, this has got to burn through the population. And most people didn't want to accept that. They were like, no, there's got to be a better way. No, there's no better way. When you have a virus that spreads through people breathing on each other, it just burns through people.

You know, if you have the option to be on a ranch, if you've got a ranch in Texas and you've got all your food out there and water and you can just fucking stay by yourself for two years, yeah, you'll be okay. That's kind of what Howard Stern did, right? I don't even know. Is that what he did? Went to the Hamptons and just stayed put. Yeah. Built a studio out there. Did his show from out there.

Yeah. I mean, there was a photo of him at a restaurant recently. It was the first time he was out in two years. Yeah. Yeah, I just didn't. It was not like I felt bad for the I just don't know what I don't know who did it well do you know what I mean like I don't know what country did it well whenever I go Sweden and then you all these things when you do when

you start clicking links you're like that seems inconclusive or contradictory or it always struck me as just we don't have the infrastructure for that many sick people yeah there's that that's part of it um there's also and the wear and tear of like you can't make a nurse that like you're a nurse you can't just certify it's like being a pilot like you it takes a fucking long time right and that's what they're running up against now. Like, big hot, like one of them is like Mass General last week. Like a huge hospital in Massachusetts, in Boston. Then there's people lined up in the hallway last week because there's not enough nurses. There was one story in the article I read that was like, they have 200 openings at a hospital and no applicants.

Oh, Jesus. None. No applicants. Well, imagine if you're a person who's dedicated yourself to health care work. And then they come along and say, you have to get vaccinated or you're getting fired. And you've just gone through the pandemic. You caught COVID. Maybe you caught it twice.

I would also argue that there's that and then equal parts. I would argue more like that was a hard time to be a nurse before the vaccine. Oh, yeah. Spit on, screamed at, misinformation. You're working for the – it's like – Well, just the amount of hours they had to work, too. Yeah. But again, if you're fired because you're not willing to get vaccinated, why would you want to come back to that job if you do something else?

If you can find another way to make a living, you're like, this is a thankless, shitty place to work. And they ultimately don't give a fuck about you. I have a friend who's a nurse and she was telling me how there's a weird coldness that some people in the medical profession get because they're just accustomed to people dying. Yeah. That it's a normal thing and it becomes normal. And then there's a coldness that sort of applies to firing people. It applies to, like, there's not, there's this thing where you're just accustomed to people dying.

I was talking to your guys about this before we started rolling. Like, the, I'm of of the mind and it's wildly uninformed but it's kind of whatever anyone who goes through heavy duty combat is never the same i kind of am of the mind that like the military wrecks people well it definitely does wreck people but some people like a lot of them. Some people are fine afterwards. Everyone is psychologically wired differently. And some people can handle extreme stress. And with some people, it's just a little bit of stress and you fall apart.

Yeah. And I don't know if it's nature or nurture. I don't know if that's genetics. I mean, I think it varies widely. Because I think some people are just innately good at pressure Yeah, and resilient. Yeah, what do you? Where would you put yourself on that? Because it because it's well not not you don't know until you're alive. I would say life stresses

Do you handle stress? Well pretty good at stress. Yeah Do you find? When they're when you're doing a broadcast and they go, we're going live, three, two, one, are you like, do you tighten up even a little bit or are you just aware? I don't feel anything. Like when I do the UFC, I feel zero. It's just fine. It's like I'm here right now. Yeah.

The only thing, I'm excited because it's cool and I want to do a good job. You're wearing an IFB and they go, we need you to do this. And you just go like, okay. Hey, man, so what are you? Yeah, there's never a like, oh, shit, oh, shit. But also, I've been doing it since 1997. So I've been working for the UFC since the 90s. So it's so normal to me.

Now, if I just had to do it for the first time, like I was talking to a friend of mine last night, and we were talking about doing the O2 Arena. We did this arena in London, and he came to see me there, and he was like, what was it like performing in front of so many people? It must be insane. I go, you get used to performing in front of lots of people, and then it's normal.

But if it was the first time I ever went on stage and I had to go on stage in front of all those people, I'd probably shit my pants. I wouldn't know what to do, because it's a totally unique experience. But if it's not unique, if it's like you're, I've done a bunch of it. Yeah, well, you just, you're, it's like altitude training. Yeah, like anything else. But I think it's just's just reps putting in the reps You know and then when you do like like when I used to fight one of the things that I found was if I fought a Lot I wouldn't get real nervous. I would get excited, but I'd feel real confident

But if I had like an injury and I had to take like six months off and then I had a fight You're like whoo. I haven't had that experience in a while It's like the the familiarity of that experience is very important. You have to be on it all the time. Filming your special, could you imagine taking six months off and then just filming a special? No matter how much you knew the material, you'd be like, fuck. Even though you clearly know how to do stand-up. You've been doing stand-up a long fucking time.

You've been killing a long time. You know you know how to do it. It's not you know how to talk it it's not you know how to talk it's not even a special skill like you have to be physically prepared for it's not like you have to be in shape to play football it's not anything like that there is a weird shape though like there is a weird conditioning like a mental condition it's like i'm used it's like i used to say it's like being a lion tamer where like if you're not in the cage with lions every day yeah after about three or four days the lions can tell they probably can i really believe they can it's like those animal trainers you see that lady that just goes like to the peacock yeah it's fucking that's how you kind of have to be with the crowd like sir yeah and they

can tell that you're in your essence yeah um but it's also they get you know how to be loose and relax like how much time did you take off during covid what was the most time you took off uh probably like with no stand-up probably four or five months what was it like the first time back on stage it was kind of gleeful i know it because it but it was they were the first good show was like okay but the first like you know like on it like back room was really fun and like what did you do like what was it uh it was on La Cienega. I think. I don't remember the exact show. But it was on La Cienega.

Mark. I always forget his last name. Irish guy Mark. Looks like Homeless D'Elia. And he. It was just like. It was just some outdoors. Like me.

I think Jim Jeffries did it. Ian Edwards. And it was just fun. Because we all talked about like. I don't need to do it that much and then you do it and you're like this is fucking fun it was outside it was outside so it's like that's a little weird

outdoor shows are already a little weird how much time did it take before you did an indoor show after that I don't remember what's your arc with this um i went several months uh march april may june july probably five months four or five months and um we did one weekend at the houston improv but then i got really high and i thought oh my god what if i get covid and give it to everybody and a bunch of people die like fuck and then so i stopped doing comedy i was because i was like okay i'm just

going to go to places where you can do comedy but that was like no vaccine then no no real treatments they didn't really understand what what to do if you caught it and so it was like kind of touch and go i was like maybe it's wise to not do this and wait until it actually comes because it was only like texas and there was a few other States, Florida. There's a few places where you can go. And then I did it again in November. So July.

And then I didn't do any standup again until like, I guess, no, it was actually October. Then Dave and I started doing those shows at stubs, right. Which is an outdoor venue where we tested everyone and we had a COVID bubble

and we had protocols in place and that was a lot of fun. And then I did indoor shows at the Vulcan. Actually, from today, this day, two years ago. Huh. Yeah.

Great. And I did the show and I've told the story before, but Ron White was like, Bob, I think I'm going to retire. I heard this story. He was going to retire. Then he got off stage, and he just grabbed me.

He's like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're going to keep doing this. Yeah. It was amazing. He was like pulsating with electricity. Yeah. You know? And so from then on, we've been doing shows. But the first ones back, it was weird.

Like I had to listen to recordings all day. Yeah. And I went over my notes and I had to like think about transitions. And you have to like revive. Fortunately, I was in a similar boat to you where I was kind of ready to film a special right when everything shut down. So I had a lot of material. It was pretty tight. It wasn't like it was all new stuff.

Like if I had to just do, like if I already released a special and then COVID came along and then I hadn't done stand up in six months and then I'm doing like new stuff. Uh-huh. Oh, I'd be fucked. Yeah. Because you don't have anything. Did you, have you filmed? You haven't filmed in a while, right?

I filmed in August. Is it out yet? I haven't done anything with it. No, I haven't even looked at it. Why not? I didn't feel like it. I feel like filming, it went yet? I haven't done anything with it. No, I haven't even looked at it. Why not? I didn't feel like it. I feel like filming went great. I said, okay, good.

Got it in the can. I think I'm going to release it right around the time my club opens. And so my club will be open somewhere around February, March. Okay. So that's what I'm probably going to do. And do you got a plan for a streamer? I haven't decided yet You know I'm very fortunate that I could do whatever the fuck I want to do Yeah, so I'm trying to figure out what I want to do. I might just fucking throw it on YouTube I

Hear you. It's there seems to be no You know a friend of mutual friend of ours named Dave Chappelle used to say Good pussy doesn't need a pimp. Good pussy sells itself. That's true. But like Ari Shaffir, I think he's close to 2.5 million now. And he's just been up for a few days. Yeah.

Way bigger than any response he would have ever gotten if it was on Netflix. It was on Netflix. His last special was on Netflix for the longest time. And he's like, I don't think it ever got to a million. Really? Yeah. And yeah, it's hard, man. What's he at? 2.4.

Great. 2,420,000. I haven't watched it. I was very impressed with the production design. It's great. No, he did a great job. It's like, oh, that fucking looks really cool. Well, Ari was working on that for a long time.

And then the Kobe thing happened. I didn't know he was Jewish. I'm kidding. Ah! And he abandoned it. He was actually going to film, like, very close to when that Kobe thing happened. And then he sort of put it aside and started doing stand-up again and wrote a whole new act. And then, you know, I talked to him.

And I was like, dude, why? You got to put that out. Like, it was so good because he had it so tight. And it's cool because it's kind of evergreen, right? It's not. It's just I grew up Orthodox and it was fucking weird. Yeah. And it's better now because it's like he's like as

time goes on the more you can sort of sit with a subject that's very personal to you and then you know sometimes it's good to just put it aside and not even look at it for a while that's kind of what happened with my show i i did it in new york for four or five months four months every night like a one-man show. Now, when you do that, do you have a guy warming up the crowd? No. Or do you just go out there cold? No, you go out there cold, which is interesting because your first joke's either going to work or it isn't.

Sometimes they're primed but i would say the first joke worked 80 of the time but sometimes you'd be like okay like you'd throw a punch and like they just stand there you're like all right but there's some you know cosby doesn't have an opener right like there's a way to do it where there's something about it i don't there's something appealing about it where where if you don't have an opener you just go like yeah the first two minutes will be a little bumpy but like whatever yeah did you ever see uh richard pryor live um the one he filmed in long beach yeah where he goes on stage and people are still sitting down yes they're walking through the crowd sitting down. He's talking shit to them while they're walking and talking.

A guy comes up and takes a photo, stands by the stage and takes a photo. That's so funny. Look at this motherfucker. What are you doing? It's fucking hilarious. I don't think he had an opener. I think he just walked out. I did warm up for myself at the Netflix taping.

Oh, really? Which was like I would recommend. Really? So you did different material uh-huh to warm up eight minutes i did like eight minutes and then just like hey just touching base and then i'm gonna come out and then it's actually better than having like when neil comes out yeah i need you guys to roar oh it's the's the worst. Oh, it's so embarrassing. There's fucking talk shows when they have the applause line.

And then there's a guy that's like, come on, applaud, applaud. I always tell when I do clubs or any show when they go like, you guys excited to see Neil? And then they are like, yeah. And he's like, Neil's in the back. And you're like, dude, you're going to make them hate me. Yeah. Like I'm in the back.

Like I didn't get enough. They didn't seem excited to see me yeah uh i did my own more that was helpful second taping i didn't have time so second taping was 20 worse than the first taping really yeah i was and it was one of these things where i'm doing the show and i'm like fuck i should have fucking because we were gonna lose the venue etc etc etc and it was like they the load in took too long, and I was like, fuck. But by the end of it, the last half was better than the first show's last half. Do you know what I mean?

That really must have pissed you off. Yeah, it was like, I could have fucking heard this the whole fucking day. And that's the funny thing about doing a taping. It's a... I was asking about stress because there was a point where the tape day, I'm, you know, very involved in the production just because I can direct and I can do a bunch of stuff. And I've done, like, my buddy Derek DelGaudio,

who's fucking excellent and has a show called In and of Itself on Hulu that's a magic show. I don't really like to call it a magic show. One of the best taped live shows you'll ever see what in and of itself on hulu it's fucking excellent um but um he is directing he's only directed his special so he's like i'm it's a lot of moving parts like they didn't have a lav mic for me. They had a handheld and I'm like, I'm wearing a lav and it's four.

Oh boy. And the audience is getting there. We got to tape at five 30. Oh no. And I'm like the amount of just shit where you're like, Oh, I'm going to fucking kill somebody. I'm going to fucking kill somebody.

I swear to God. I had a funny uh observation which is uh when you're you know when everybody gets the credit at the end roll credits if you get to give them all a grade like sound b minus didn't love the live move didn't love the dude was it just poor communication or just uh yeah it's just one of those things where like there's a lot of cracks just shit can fall through you know being in charge of a thing and doing arena shows and doing people fuck up yeah just by nature like you know i remember schumer thought it was sexism.

Rock thought it was racism. When they started directing stuff and people were fucking up, they thought this is about my identity. This is they don't respect me. I kind of am paranoid enough to be like, they're fucking haters. I can easily lapse into that. And it's just people, human error. Incompetence. There's a lot of that.

30% I have a theory. 30% of things just get fucked up. 30. 30. If I say, hey, I need X. 30% of the time, people don't hear you. They misinterpret.

They go, I have a better idea. But like straightforward stuff, like if you're doing a theater and there's a sound guy who works for the theater, it's almost 100% works. Almost 100% of the time, that guy knows what he's doing. You get in there. No, you've had problems? Atlanta.

What happened in atlanta in atlanta the guy uh i said play kendrick lamar my the joke i would say is what should we play for your entrance i'd say anything but eminem anything because they go like he's a white guy he's affiliated with black people we're gonna play eminem and i'm like nope nope. Nope, don't. Please. And so I'm like, play Kendrick Lamar. Give him the song. Give him the time. 10 seconds in. And the Atlanta show, for one, I came out to nothing.

And then I go, what? And they go, oh, yeah, he's a fill-in guy. Montreal, a bunch of shows. There was a fuck-up every show. Light and cues. And I don't't even you get mad it the taping of my first netflix special three mics the uh the last 20 minutes of the second taping there was a nightclub next door joe oh no here comes the thumping oh no so my dad's dying i'm literally telling a monologue

about my dad dying and the audience and i literally had the thought you you literally cannot even think about it you cannot even a little bit You literally cannot even think about it. You cannot even a little bit get testy. It's not going to help. And you can't address it. Nope. Because I'm like doing a show.

How loud is it? Does it pick up on the sound? Yeah. Oh, no. The good news is if I'm talking and there's a thump underneath me, you're not going to hear it. Meaning like, but when I pause. So we had to go through the sound and take out every thump.

Kind of by hand. For how many minutes left in your set? In the set? 15. Oh, God. And dude, it's a monologue about my dad dying. So there's zero laughs. And that's the kind of thing where it's like, where you go, yeah, no.

Again, maybe it's just my luck. Maybe it's just like, I just have bad luck with shit like that. But, you know, at a certain, like, it just shit fucks up. The sound, the music or the lighting cue or the, a woman, you know, they just, you, it's like I do the, and you can rehearse it. I rehearsed it five times. Nope. So your thing that you did, the way you did it with this one man show, what was the motivation behind this?

Like, why did you decide to do a special that's not it's stand-up but it's not necessarily really stand-up you have like you have a presentation yeah the the this one has a this one's called blocks the new one on netflix well take the the three mics one i did the comedy central special 10 years ago i thought it was good you know good jokes whatever people didn't really yeah like you're like 10 years ago though comedy central was already in this weird spot where people weren't listening as much yeah i agree with that the ratings were surprisingly good it was just one of these things like i didn't become a big club act i didn't it was just i didn't have like i i'm now a devotee.

It was kind of like, oh, that guy's kind of funny. Yeah, but I think everybody got that from Comedy Central specials. Like you had to be like Kevin Hart. Like there's only a few guys who did Netflix or, excuse me, Comedy Central specials and just took off after 2000. You know, it was like later, like when you get to 2012, 2014, now you're dealing with streaming services. You're dealing with other things. And you just don't have as many people watching. And it's also you've got commercials, which is the death of comedy.

You're doing these seven-minute chunks. Netflix has commercials now, Joe. Isn't that wild? Yeah. I know. I wonder. I'm like I want to watch it. I wonder, because it's not, they don't even say

where do you want us to put the commercial. But are the commercials before shows or during shows? I don't, I have no idea. It's new, so I have no, I think it's during? Oh. Because if they're after, ain't nobody watching it. If they do it during shows, I will be very upset. I've heard that

Shonda Rhimes and some of the people that have shows on there are a little bit pissed about that they, it's like part of the reason they went to Netflix is because they wanted the shit to play the way they wanted it to play. Which I get. What is their, they lost a shitload of stock with the Chappelle thing.

Like their stock crashed. It didn't have to do with that what did have it had to do with that because it was it was an earnings it was to me my understanding of it was the earnings they just had they it was the first time they subscribers were flat or they i think they lost a million at one point right but it was also there was a very big public response to the woke bullshit that they were pushing. And the fact that they would entertain that that special was in any way transphobic to the point where they had a... They had apologized to people for this, what was essentially like a love letter to a dead friend of his.

And to pretend that it was transphobic was fucking nonsense. And a lot of people were upset about it i think it had and then elon musk talked about how so much of it was unwatchable because the number one elon musk talked about how it was unwatchable the woke bullshit that's on there there was a narrative and that was exactly the time where it crashed exactly the time where the stock crashed there was there was unquestionably there's a narrative that Netflix was fucking up And then there was cuties that fucked up show that they did about a little kids One of my favorite shows I love boy. Oh boy. I'm still honest. Can you still watch that or do they take it down?

Joe I would binge that and then I'd binge it again My god They take it down. Joe, I would binge that, and then I'd binge it again. But you did. You don't have kids. My God. Yeah, my understanding was that they were not related. Still available. Timeline-wise. Wow, still available. Fahim has a really funny joke about Euphoria, the HBO show.'s the one about kids. Yeah, and he's like who was this for?

Cuz if you're an adult you're just watching teenagers fuck each other nude And if you're a teenager, you're just watching kids do dry Like it's just it's like no one has no one watches it with the right, for the right reason. Right. That's a good point. That's a good point. Do you remember Kids?

Dude. Remember the movie Kids? Kids is one of my favorite movies. That, there's some movies that are, like, full, that movie's, like, got very little plot, but you were never... I was 19 and lived in the city and would just walk around. I didn't skate, but I was just a little rat who lived on St. Mark's. So that movie...

Spoke to you. Yeah. I mean, I just think it's a really well-made movie. That life is super dangerous now with fentanyl. Uh-huh. It was dangerous back then to just be running around, being a teenager, doing drugs. But that life now is fucking horrendously dangerous. Yeah.

Yeah, that's the, you know, when somebody dies, you just go, ah, it's fentanyl. Yeah. Like now, if it's not you know it's prince or i'm sure the aaron carter kid who died recently it'll be it'll be if it's not directly fentanyl it'll be it drug use long-term hearts you know he was trying to come on was he yeah i didn't think i would have a good conversation with him. He was just so... I've had conversations with multiple child stars. It's a sad reality that they don't develop. There is no redoing that.

If you become famous when you are a young kid, you're fucked. You're absolutely fucked. Like, maybe Jodie Foster, I've never talked to her, but she seems pretty balanced you have to you I think you have to decide

I'm gonna stop I have to take a break and I have to Jodie Foster went to Yale I think the girl from Harry Potter

went to school if you make it concerted effort to do something else to do something else and to do something else, and you have, and this is a big one, you have to hope your parents didn't fuck you monetarily.

Yeah. I have a friend who was a child star. He found out late in life that his parents stole like $6 million from him. Yeah. It's real common. They feel like they deserve it. Yeah.

I think there's a new law that protects kids, but that's one of those things you just got to fucking hope, dude. You got to hope, which you're, you don't, you handle your, you seem to have not a lot of outside people, or you hide it well. Meaning you don't seem like you don't have a crazy family you don't have a crazy like there's not a lot of people asking you for handouts that i'm aware of obviously i'm sure you get plenty of like hey do you think i could but but it seems like mostly people i don't know well right that are asking me for stuff, that's when it becomes family or you got to hope that you, you, uh, you know, that

you just are in a good situation. Like I did a thing with that guy Giannis Antetokounmpo, the basketball player, and he's Greek and like him and his brothers are all in the NBA or like they all are pro basketball players. And it's like, and I was talking to him, I was like, you're very lucky that you're all paid.

You're all like, he doesn't have to worry about, um, you know, his brother. It's like, he doesn't have to worry about people. That's a real drag that family stuff.

Cause it's real drag.. That's a real drag, that family stuff. It's a real drag. Because you feel bad. You feel bad if you don't give it to him, and you feel bad if you do give it to him. Well, here's what happens. You never are even anymore. You're never just two people talking. There's always someone who wants something from you, and they're angling towards that, and maybe they're not doing it today, but maybe they're doing it and setting you up

for something they want to do in the future. And you sense it and you recognize that the conversation is very slanted. It's not a normal conversation. And that becomes really sad for people. And some people- It makes you not trust anyone. Yeah. Some people feed off of it, though.

Some people like it when everybody is looking like, looking for something from them. And they can complain about it. Uh-huh. And, you know, they like it also because it puts them in a position where, like, they're the fucking bell of the ball. Pattern familiars. Yeah. Yeah. You get to be, like, the come sit out.

What do you need? Yeah. Which I don't. I wouldn't. That doesn't appeal to me. Which I don't, I wouldn't, that doesn't appeal to me. And that interaction, that status thing, that like I need something from you, and it just makes it not very human. Yeah, it's not very human. And you're never going to have real conversations with those people.

Because if they think you're being a cunt, they're never going to tell you if they want something from you. Those people because they're not if you they think you're being a cunt they're never gonna tell you if they want something from you so like you know if you're one of those guys that has like a bunch of Sycophants that travel with you everywhere you go and they're always kissing your ass like you can get real delusional really quickly. Yeah and Weirdly bitter even though you invite them. Yeah. Yeah, I Was just talking to a friend who's a very successful touring comedian and he was explaining to me how he's having problems with his opening acts being entitled and asking for things and getting things and doing things and he was really upset about it

and we're having this conversation i go dude this is really bumming me out because you're killing it at life right now like you should be enjoying the shit out of it and instead you're focusing on these few people that are trying to take advantage of you and it was like legitimate taking advantage of him yeah like there was some of them while I was like what just people like literally like showing up to fly with him and. I think I had the same conversation with the same person. Hotel rooms on his credit card. He's like, what the fuck? Yeah.

And they're mad. They're mad at him. They're mad at him. That's the crazy part is, I think Chris Rock did a joke about it, where it's like, you give them money and then they're mad and it's like wait what do you because they because you represent their failure their inadequacies because you're so because you're so successful yeah and they hate the fact that they have to ask you for anything it just fucks up the balance of it fucks up the balance of humanity it just fucks up like the the uh which is i think also why shows like this

work because you can only pretend for you know what i mean like yeah it's just like you just you get a sense of what the person's like yeah after a while you i mean i guess that's why a lot of these celebrities that start these things they can't keep up they bail you know like the megan markles and right i guess she's doing it now but prince harry was doing one for a while and bruce springsteen and obama were doing one for a while yeah that was wild like guys you guys, you don't got to do this. I'm begging you to stop. Is there a Patreon that makes you stop?

You just can't keep faking it. It's too hard. If you have an image that you like to do, there's a way you like to talk. I'd like to get that guy alone. I would love to talk to obama alone where he wasn't worried you know if i was like dude i promise you i will tell no one we're having this i've heard quotes from obama off the record that are all very funny and very interesting i'm sure the fucking guy was the president of the united States for eight years. Yeah. And he's got a very unique background.

He's a very smart guy. And a fucking world-class brain. World-class brain. Best statesman we've ever had as president. The best representation of what you would want if you want the rest of the world to see what is like an excellent American like. But can't be himself. But meanwhile has all the money in the world but can't be himself. But meanwhile, has all the money in the world and can't be himself. Like, how wild is that?

Like, can't just fuck around, you know? I mean, if Obama just fucked around, if like Obama did a podcast and he had sunglasses on like Tim Dillon and he just like sitting back and he sparked up a joy. Let me tell you what I think about this electoral college bullshit yeah you know amazing yeah but you also know i mean that it's there's things not like i don't think there's a lot of things you want to do that you can't do but there's like you know there's i it's almost like obama is everyone's parent yeah like he can't be it's like shit you wouldn't do around you got daughters yeah yeah yeah you can't do that yeah like i don't know yeah i think that's the case well

that's the beauty about being a comic right like you're kind of expected to be at least slightly fucked up yeah yeah well now yeah yeah i mean it's like you can kind of talk about whatever you want and that's part of your business model if You're a person who is a former president United States and you want to talk about getting your balls cradled Yeah, I just like the gentle cradling of the balls. Yeah, just a gentle tickling. Yeah, you know, yeah You literally can't who doesn't like their balls cradled? Like, what are we doing here? Are we pretending that getting your balls cradled is not great? Yeah.

Why does he have to pretend? It's his whole act. He does like 20 minutes on getting his balls cradled. It's so weird. It's his closer. He's in this beautiful suit. Yeah. Let me sit down. Yep.

Tell you how I like my balls treated. Can you believe? Yeah, yeah, let me sit down. Yep. Tell you I like my balls. Yep. Can you believe? well the The question I wanted to ask you about all this stuff is is how do you deal with? The when people ask me about you people answer what Dave they asked me Like you guys are like firebrands I always say that it just looks too stressful for me. Like the amount of times you maybe are even unaware of it, but like the vaccine stuff and you make a video and you is that are those days hellish stressful?

Are you just like, all right, I'll make a video? Oh, they didn't, I fucked up the thing with their, I didn't fuck up, or you want me to say I fucked up? Or like, what's it like in your body? It depends on the day. It depends on what the controversy is, but generally I don't read anything about me. I don't, even now, like if I see some article, some bullshit headline, you know, I don't read anything about me. I don't even now. Like if I see some article, some bullshit headline, you know, I don't read it. I'm not reading things about I'm not interested in people's opinions of me.

It's like you can't take in all that. That is not good for you. And that's like a learning process. Took a while to figure that out. And if you stay offline and just communicate with people that you know and you meet in normal, real life, the world's fine. The world's normal. The problem that happens with people when they get locked up in a controversy is that they start dwelling on all these different opinions on them.

And they start taking it in and considering it and wanting to argue it i never said it that way that's not what i meant yeah these motherfuckers and then it becomes this emotional thing you fucking prick do you see what they wrote like that doesn't do you any good that is not a positive there's no there's no benefit to that zero there's zero benefit so don't do it and i always tell comedians i like, those good comments that you read, those aren't good for you either. I don't, dude. The reason I wanted to talk to you about it is because yesterday the special comes out and it's a fucking big day. And it's a lot of attention. And it's a lot of, and I had taken Instagram off my phone because I was in.

Was it healthy? Yeah. phone because i was in healthy yeah i mean i i'd been i was in my aunt or no i was in hawaii and i'd posted a video and then i was just like on in paradise worrying about the comments and i was like this is a fucking waste of a of your life dude yeah it literally you have to not do this. And I took it off my phone and it's been great and then I put it back on yesterday because I had to post something. That's what

I tell myself. But also I wanted some of the juice, Joe. I wanted some of the fucking juice. Give me some love. Give me a little bit of the juice. And I got a lot of juice. Yeah, and and

the And it was like I liked it The juice was delicious Joe and I was like good job. Yeah, look I haven't seen your new special But you're a fucking hilarious comic, so I'm sure you killed it yeah thank you which is great so you're getting good juice you deserve that juice yes but and I was like and I and I liked it and I was telling somebody last night I was like I was like uh you know I really liked it and then I was like but this isn't that's not me and I'm like oh it is yeah it is it is me i like the juice how do i you know i i obviously like took it off my phone again whatever whatever of course

obviously goes without saying took it off my phone again what but and then i think about the the i i could feel the like uh like patch like being a cunt coming up in me just being like just being like well yeah i deserve and i'm just like and i'm and i'm i'm uh like a sore winner where i'm like you motherfuckers like i'm telling people off in my head and just like bat Mike Nichols the director Who was a comic and he was in a he was Nichols and May he said being a performer He'd like transition to be in just a director and he said being a performer brought out the baby in him Where he'd say he would be like he'd notice who had the bigger dressing room Oh, no.

And just shit like that. And I, obviously, it was 12 hours of being, I called myself a despot in exile. Where I was, I'm like, in exile, and then I get, like, the country welcoming me back, and I'm like, there's going to be some changes around here. In 12 hours, I became a fucking monster. And I thought about you and I thought about Dave and I thought about guys who, Chris, just people that are, it's Adam, Sam, like big attention, a lot of positive attention pointed at you.

And you must at a certain point go, I have to make a very firm decision about this. Yeah. Well, Dave doesn't have social media on his phone at all. But at the same time, he gets sent every, he sees everything. He gets sent important things. Things that people think are important. I tell people never send me anything about me. Well, that's, somebody sent me a review and I, my public, I was like, don't send me this.

Literally don't send me. I don't send me i don't want to read it people are entitled to their opinion and they should express their opinion there's nothing wrong i agree with it but the idea that you should participate in their opinion when you don't even know these people and you should take this in and then some people treat it like gospel like some people's confidence has been destroyed yeah by someone telling them they suck i mean you really can fuck with some people's confidence has been destroyed by someone telling them they suck. I mean, it really can fuck with some people's heads. It was fucking up my Hawaii trip. Well, one of the things that I do that I think is very important is I work out really hard.

And I think that resets my day every time. So all the other things like, oh, I should read the comments. Like, what are they saying? Then none of that happened. There's no room room for that i'm so exhausted from that like physically you almost kill yourself it's a weird like near-death experience so i get to a point where i've wrung all the stress out of my body yeah and when i do that then other stuff doesn't seem like it's a big deal. It really isn't. Because it's like the physical discomfort. Yeah.

You reset your hierarchy of needs. You, it's, it's, yeah, it's like I did a, I wrote a joke with Blake Griffin, the basketball player one time where it was like, they're asking guys, they're interviewing guys after they've just, they're trying not to, they're getting, they're trying to get oxygen to their brain. Right. Like it's a bad time to do an interview. Well, I was doing interviews with people after they got knocked unconscious. And do you feel, are you kind of like, ah, I do not like it.

It's not a good time to interview people. They make mistakes because like you just had your brain shut off. Like maybe they think they want to fight or maybe they think something. They don't know what the fuck just happened. And there's varying degrees of that. Like you can pretend, oh, he knows he's playing dumb. But you have zero idea what's going on in a person's brain unless you are them and you have been knocked out. Do they have a policy of like

not doing that anymore or you said i won't do it and then i fucked up and did it with uh daniel cormier but i was so confused in that fight because um daniel's a good friend i love him to death and john jones had just knocked him out and i was in this state this is not is this recent or no no this was a few years back yeah I haven't done any like knockouts interviews since but I think I did a couple of TKOs and I think it's a judgment call like there's sometimes when the guy's getting fucked up but it's really like he's just beaten he's getting his legs kicked and punched the referee comes and stops the fight but he's okay like he's he just got fucked up he's not out cold but sometimes guys get knocked out cold and when they get knocked out cold like oh you're you you don't really know because they

went away yeah and then they come back yeah and it's and they're in an arena for some reason yeah some guys are fine and they handle it with grace and dignity and you know they're in an arena for some reason. Some guys are fine, and they handle it with grace and dignity, and they're amazing at it. And that's also depending upon that knockout versus a different knockout. Like what happened to you that day? Like how bad did you get beat up before you got knocked out? Was it just one punch? Was it a kick to the head?

Is a kick to the head worse than a punch to the head? Even though both knock you out, the force of a kick is way higher. So you don't really know. You don't really know until you're talking to them and i don't think you really will ever know because a lot of people could talk on autopilot and then they'll tell you like they go back i don't remember talking to you yeah they go back to the dressing room they have no idea they fought and then they're in the hospital room afterwards. They don't know what happened and they lose like hours of the night It's really common. Yeah, so the task them but I think you're smart to get back to the original thing. You're smart to Reset your hierarchy

Yeah, where you're fucking exhausted and you want to just breathe and get your body back to like a reg but and you still have all that like exercise drain slash tingle. There's that too. There's like you exhaust yourself, which I think is very good for you. My brother Kevin used to jog every day to run the Brennan out of him. Like we got bad shit in us. I have to run it out of me that's hilarious it's fucking very funny and hey and but that that's a smart approach there's so there's two things going on there's

the physical thing where you're wringing out the stress which i think is very real it makes you feel better and it's easier to get by But then there's also the psychological thing because to work out really hard is very difficult to do. And you think things are difficult until you compare them to things that are very difficult, like very difficult things. Like if you have, if say, if you're going on a hike in the mountains and you're going to backpack in and camp out and it's 14 miles and you have a 70 pound Backpack because you have all your food you have your bedding you have a tent You have all this shit on your back you and your friends and you're walking 13 14 miles in mm-hmm

That's fucking hard. Yeah, when you're 9,000 feet above sea level you're like Yeah, that's real hard. Yeah, When you're 9,000 feet above sea level, you're like, that's real hard. Yeah. It's not comments on fucking Twitter. Yeah. That's not really hard. Yeah. That is easy to ignore.

It's easy. Like, you have the option to ignore it and life goes on. Well, your brain can't even, your brain's like, yo, I can't worry about it. Like, you could, you'll have a flash of it. Yeah. I mean, like, I can't, we can't fucking, dude, you're gonna, you gotta breathe and you gotta get the, you're gonna, you gotta breathe and you gotta get the, you're gonna perish.

But you also gotta do difficult shit. You do difficult shit to change what your watermark is. Like, what's your mark of, like, normalcy? And if your ability to handle difficult situations and discomfort is at a very low level you are going to be miserable forever you've got to elevate your ability to withstand discomfort so the things that are discomfort very just comfortable you raise your bar they aren't as bad for you they are as bad for you and if you can get there it's a better place to be you just make yourself resilient by just it's like throwing the menisce ball in your stomach and just fucking getting the fucking.

Yeah, you're getting like mental, like if you're doing like endurance work on a bike, like doing sprints on one of those air dive machines, you are not capable of thinking of anything else. You're barely surviving those workouts. You're like, fuck. There's these things called tabata sprints it's a great protocol for developing endurance and you do a 20 second sprint followed by 10 seconds of rest it's the shortest 10 seconds you'll ever experience in your life because then right after that's another 20 seconds even the i do high interval training for just running you just sprint for for a minute and then not for a minute and you're like boy that

was a pretty quick knot that fucking slow down was not i think they fuck with the clocks a little bit on that one it's time is relative it's very relative so how do you deal with how did you deal with the spotify that what's that day like the the day of the boycotts and all that stuff because i don't i haven't spoken i don't know if you've spoken about it at all but it was uh they had never experienced anything like that before so it was interesting to see how they would handle it they handled it really well and you know again like when i made that video where the big one was like neil young and joni mitchell and when i made that video where the big one was like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. And when I made that video, like one of the things I really wanted to get out there was

a lot of the things they were saying were misinformation. That's a shit word. It's a shit term. We're talking about things that are proven to be true now. Right. And when I was talking about them, a lot of the things that I was talking about were already on the cover of Newsweek like that was the one that masks don't work or know that the cover Newsweek was the lab leak Hypothesis right and then on CNN they were saying cloth masks don't work There's all things that I had read and talked to people about before I'm like you got to recognize like what you're calling disinformation six months from now could be just accepted fact. And that's what we're seeing over and over and over again

with this. So it was very strange to experience that because I could tell that this was not- But you also knew you couldn't get in the weeds. You couldn't even, it's not like- You can't get in the weeds. You can't get in the weeds. You can't go over reading the things that people are saying or watching things people are saying. Or even counter that you can't argue. Like, what did I say? I said cloth mask. And I said, like, you can't. You got to let other people do that.

You be yourself. But if you have to express, if you feel like you didn't express yourself correctly, or if you feel like there's something more to say about it, definitely do that too. But to counter all the different points of criticism, and also that's a game dummies play. There's a dummy game. And that dummy game is attack you so that you have to respond back to them. It's like, oh, you're so clever.

It's trolling. And you only do it when you don't have other things to contribute. When people aren't really interested in your personality or your perspectives or the way you word things or talk about things. Then you got to just go start talking shit about people and starting shit with people and hope they respond. And there's like a whole ecosystem of people talking shit to each other and responding and then becoming friends. It's like, girl. And by the way, the friendships are not the sturdiest, I'll say.

It's a silly way to live your life. We've learned in the last couple of years, these friendships are not very... Robust. Yeah. Well, that's what I always say about you. It's like, I've known him 30 years. He's fucking nice to me. And I am nice to him.

We are unlikely animal friends. But he's nice. I respect him. He respects me. I can look you in the eye, know it's true. And I don't. So when people, the amount of like wokey lefty people that will fucking write you off in a second. Yeah, that's okay.

Yeah, it's okay, but you just go, okay. There's plenty of things to like in the world. You don't have to like me. Yeah, yeah. It's okay. No, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying, like, I represent that masculine energy that is so dangerous in today's society.

But I also represent being nice. I think it's important to be nice. I think it's super important. By the way, they're not mutually exclusive. In fact. Yeah, when you're stronger, you have more of an ability to be nice. You really do. Because when you're more controlled and more

confident in yourself, you have more of an ability to forgive people. Because there's a strength in that just mm-hmm fuck off. Come on relax Are you a grudge person? No, I'm a big one. Yeah, I'm not at all. I'm not at all. No Do you see? What about when people say we need to move on we need to put that behind us and all that stuff If somebody fucks with you and then goes let's's just let bygones be bygones. Some people just like to do that over and over again.

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's a problem with some people. Pass this problem. They want to get involved in conflicts and then make up. You know, like, have you ever had a girlfriend like that that wanted to fight? Only. A lot of boyfriends do it, too. A lot of people do it.

It's a normal sort of psychological roller coaster you put yourself on where you start fights over nothing just so you can make up because the making up is so intense. Because it's like, oh, my God, is it really going to break up? I don't want to break up. I don't want to break up either. And the next thing you know, you're making out and you're fucking and it feels like it's amazing. I had to tell a woman like, hey, you don't like me. Because she kept doing it i was like hey you need to take your own word for this we don't get along good yeah you just got to stop being like hey no you don't i know how this ends you yell at me for uh for nonsense and then and then I plead my case.

But once you're pleading your case, it's like, what am I? You just feel it's like you've already lost. When you get stuck in a relationship where the other person likes to just berate you and badger you and insult you, which can happen male or female, right? Yeah. That is the worst place to be. That's one of the worst places to be. It's a swamp

unlike, it's real sticky. It's a love swamp. It's fucking real hard to get out of. It's a bog. Your wheels are turning. And you cannot, because then they can go like, so you giving up? Oh, God.

And you're like, fucking, all right i'll fucking do it another i'll i you know what gets a actually like a applause break in my in in the new block special is uh i go i've never been lonelier than in a relationship i didn't want to be in and it and people are like yeah it gets like a slow roller. That's good. That's good. That's so good. It's so true. Yeah, because I could be, I'm single, not married, don't kiss, and it's like, do I get lonely? Yeah.

But I've also. You're also not miserable. Yeah, and I know a lot of lonely married people. Yeah, there's a great quote somebody said once, I'd rather be alone than wish I was alone. Yeah. Yeah. It's like great quote somebody said once, I'd rather be alone than wish I was alone. Yeah, yeah. It's like alone has its problems. Yeah.

But it's very manageable. It's certainly much more manageable than being in a shit relationship. Because if you're alone, you can meet someone nice. Uh-huh. But if you're in a shit relationship and you can't get out, you living together and if you meet somebody nice you got to call a lawyer joe oh no and you got your bills all tied up together and maybe you know you're not married but you did buy the house together like oh god oh i had a girlfriend move in with me and somebody goes Mark the date down. I was like why and they go cuz California common law

Says that if you live together for seven years You're basically married. Oh my god and And he goes it just happened to so-and-so two days after And he goes, it just happened to so-and-so. Two days after seven years. Two days after seven years they got hit? Yep.

Wow. Not married. Maybe you should have like a clock, like one of those digital clocks, like the debt countdown. Yeah, exactly. Let's just count down to seven years. We got to get the fuck out of here. Five years in, you're like, oh, I'm getting a little itchy. Yeah. This is dangerous.

Yeah. five years in you're like i'm getting a little itchy yeah this is dangerous yeah uh so so so what happened with this friend did they did someone follow uh oh boy uh-huh looking for a big payday and i think they got it oh my goodness wow that's just stealing money from people it's it's it's another thing that's in the in the new special where i say you it's like relationships are reliant on like this is a shared thing and then at a certain point they go i've been pretending and then you have to look through it and try to figure out when they were pretending and when they weren't and then then you just have to accept, like, oh, this might have all been a grift. And I've seen it.

It's happened to me. And not for money. Like, or not a lot of money. And I've seen it happen to guys I know with a lot of money. It's a real thing. Yeah. People that look at someone who's got money and you act like a predator and you get close to them and you pretend you like them and you date

them and you fuck them it's like a very high level of prostitution yeah that people engage in it's but it it's like I would I and to me it has a lot more to do with sociopathy oh it does yeah it's sure there it's a lot more to do with sociopathy. Oh, it does. Yeah, for sure. It's like, what did you do? But then you've also got the ego of the guy who thinks this super- I earned it fair and square. Bomb ass 30-year-old woman is into him. I always got hot chicks, bro. It's like, that's on you, stupid.

Look at that. Of course, this isn't a fair fight. Well, that's whenever I'm on dating apps. I just go, have I ever dated someone who looks like this? Like in this area of hotness? And if I have, then I'll like them. That's a good move. But if they're way, I'm like, there's no fucking, there's a point.

I wouldn't trust, I wouldn't trust them. That's so rational. I don't trust you, lady. You shouldn't be. You're here for the wrong reasons I do really enjoy when I see those couples though of like this aged fucking

decrepit man and this bomb ass wife I love that story Louis had a fucking great joke about it Louis most recent special incredibly good before that excellent but he had a joke about getting uh just getting a year old you got money we get together for a couple years i die you keep the change

it was so fucking funny that's a great keep the change uh but i don't that's again i don't even that doesn't bother me like that's like yeah but that's a fair everyone knows what's happening he knows what's happening yeah she knows what's happening yeah everyone who sees the notes what's happening it's when they're even they could be very high status and get a lot of high uh good looking girls high status women and then it that and then they're just they were in it for the they were just lying yeah and there's nothing nothing you can do about it not and then they can they can add the women can add the resentment to it like you knew i didn't care what would i did it

on you and they can justify it in their own heads because like you made me wait and i did it i would rub your feet and just all the shit of like lady i thought we were i thought you meant it it was a job yeah it's a long hit yeah long financial hit yeah and that's uh men are vulnerable to that but so are women a lot of older women, young guy comes along, fitness trainer, hey baby. Doesn't Cher have like a 35-year-old boyfriend? I hope so. I think she does.

Good for her. But, you know, for some reason that bothers people more than when the old man gets fucked over. It bothers people when, like, wow. Yeah, he's young. I bothers people when like... Wow. Yeah, he's young. I think it said he's 36. How old is she now?

70. He looks like a discount Chris Brown. By the way, that's her real hair color. What? Boy. I said 40-year-age guy, but yeah, she's 76. Wow. Good for her. Cher was like a good uh share was a good cultural

thing why does why does she have to defend the 40 year age gap who gives a fuck he's a grown ass man yeah why does anybody give a shit like once someone's in their 30s yeah like why would you give a shit well i think with when they do it when it's an older man and it's a younger woman, it assumes that women are feeble. It's like old. It's like Elizabethan fucking Willa Mann. Some of it shows up in the Me Too stuff where they go, he used his power. All right. Okay.

Do I have power? When do I have power? When don't I have power? Yeah. But it's just nosy and gossipy. It's like when people get mad that DiCaprio's not married. Right. And that his girlfriends are always 25.

Yeah. Good. Good for him. That's what he likes. If it was a 25-year-old guy and a 40-year-old woman, no one would care. No, they'd love it. You go, girl. You go, girl.

Yeah. Yeah, like, doesn't that Kate Beckinsale? Oh, yeah. Yeah, good for her. Good for her. You like Pete Davidson? Me too, lady. Good for you.

Yeah. Go have some fun. Yeah, knock yourself out. Yeah, like, I don't, it's not even, it's weird. It's weird to care. You know what's weird is that gold digging is totally legal, but there's no courses on it. Like you would think that like it's literally a form of business. Like if you really thought about it, there's certain businesses you go into where you're just going in to make money.

If you're selling like waste baskets, like are you fucking passionate about waste baskets are you just trying to make some money you're just trying to make money well there's ways that people teach people how to do all sorts of jobs but there's there's no apprenticeships on gold digging like if you could talk a girl through like real psychological manipulation getting close to like decrepit old men with shit piles of money you can make a lot of money like you think about every client if you're a real estate agent every client that you become friends with and maybe they're gonna buy a house in five years maybe gonna sell this house maybe you get make money on both those houses you gotta stay close to them yeah Yeah. No, you're right.

There aren't. But I think that they, you could see those, a lot of the gold digger ladies, you could see them almost, it's almost like an origin story when they're six and they get their dad to do something. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like you can, you, I can... Or some boy in class. They could talk to some boy in class.

I like your joke about your daughters, like, slowly stealing your manhood. Yeah. It's like... And then you made it a Kardashian joke, which was great. Made it, like... It was one of the few Kardashian jokes. I was like, tip of the cap. Where that you could, I'm sure you see your daughters develop.

Manipulative traits. Yeah. Yeah. Humans manipulate people. Yeah. And you get to watch it in real time. The best is when they'll pretend they're sick. Just don't feel good today.

Like, dude, really? Let me take your head. Let me check your temperature you're fine the fuck out of here are you and do you bust their balls try not to but again you wants to be like get the fuck out like I do a little bit but that you know you don't want to get sad it's like a weird dance you can't fuck with a military guy like bitch you're fine no Yeah That's what he told me like he goes. Yeah, the deal is they can make fun of you and you can't make fun of them Yeah, why make fun of a little bit but not he's just like you can't talk to them like they're your comic friends

They're little right? Your daughters are getting 16 14 14 and 12 14 12. Yeah. So they're like, so you can see them like not becoming women, but. Yeah, they're becoming. Does it inform your, does it inform your, your opinions or information about women or does it affirm it? Well, you, when you're, whenever you're experiencing life from the moment a child is born to them having conversations with you, it's weird. It's very weird. It's like you remember when there's no baby and then there's a baby.

And then all of a sudden they're talking. It's like you're keeping up with their development, but you're not really developing that much. And you're just watching these creatures. I mean, you are are but not like they are like they're learning how to talk and walk and they're they're learning games and they're playing sports and they're doing different things and learning musical instruments and stuff and you're like whoa you're watching these little sponges of information evolve and grow before you and then the next thing you know like like they're, they're teenagers.

And that experience, like if you don't, if you're not there and see that experience, like watching a human being go from being a baby to being a young teenager, I don't think you're really, I don't think you're ever going to appreciate it. We would like to think of people as static things. It's like a weird thing we do where if I know you and you're ever going to appreciate it. We like to think of people as static things. It's like a weird thing we do where if I know you and you're 43 years old, it's like, oh, Neil's always been 43. This is 43-year-old Neil. But I didn't know you when you were three days old. I didn't see this arc that you went through to get to where you are. to get to where you are. So I think because of that and because we're so egocentric

and we're worried about ourselves right now, we often see people like, this is how you've always been. This is who you always are. This is how you are with everybody. The way you are with me is how you are with everybody. And I don't think we, I don't really appreciate the arc of development

that human beings go through unless you're there for it. Unless maybe you have a younger brother or sister and you get to see them grow up in in front of your eyes when you're already yeah that's the thing i almost think one of the reasons i don't want kids is because i never had a younger brother or sister to like watch right you know what i mean well i have a younger sister but she's only one year younger, so we basically grew up together. But I think that that does aid in people's decision-making. Like if you're a sister and you're the oldest sister and you have to babysit the younger one and you really like it and you like taking care of kids, well, that's a good sign. Maybe you should have kids. But when you're watching your own kids grow and develop, it's like very eyeopening.

It's, it just makes you really take into account all the various factors that are involved in making a human being and, and, and developing a well-rounded, healthy human being. And, and is it,

where are you on nature nurture? Is it, do you see them at forks? Do you see them come to a fork in existence and like make a decision and you're like wow if they'd gone that if they and and by the way it's not even a decision it's just an inclination well i think you want your children to be able to make decisions for themselves but it's like how many and how far like at what point do you feel like you know you need to impose some guidance or some discipline

if they do something fucked up like if they break into your liquor cabinet and steal all your booze and their 13 year old buddies are blacked out on the floor like hey we got a problem here yeah like you guys just drank my booze and you're 13 yeah and there's also they maybe the 14 year old would do it and the 12 year old they have different personalities you you gotta communicate with them but their kids are gonna do kid stuff they they do the same stuff that we did when we were kids we we check check your father's drawer for joints you steal steal Playboys. You know, you do. It's normal stuff. Kids are these little human beings that are growing and developing.

And I think one of the most important things is having conversations with them like they're regular people. That's not hard to do. Like, you just talk to them like they're a regular person. And instead of trying to talk to them like a little kid i mean i'm very loving but i'll oftentimes have conversations with them i'll try to explain things like the way i can explain to an adult and i try to get them to explain things to me you know in a sort of a very expressive way and do you wild man i will know it sounds like a weirdly surreal experience it's

very surreal it's very surreal and i started thinking of all people as babies i've been doing that too i've been doing that like as if it's like uh like all the things we sexualize and i'm just in terms of women and then i go like she doesn't walk that way because she wants to her ass to shake when she was two she just started walking that you know what i mean like just these things that happen and then we we ascribe like motive or it's like no it's just what fucking happened if a woman is wearing high heels like st stilettos, and she walks, that's how they walk. Like, you have to walk that way with those things. Yeah.

It's not like they're trying to get you to hoot and holler at them. Yeah. Or, like, that's just how they started walking. They walk on the balls of their feet, or they walk... That's how much women want to be hot. They want to be hot so bad that they'll wear the dumbest shoes. Yeah. That you can't get anything done in.

That don't fit, don't work. You can't run in them. Nope. You can't fight to the death in them. You can't get away from fucking wild animals. There's not a damn thing you can do in those shoes. Hierarchy. What are your priorities?

You have these ridiculous stilts on. Yeah. And they're making you stand up on your toes. They probably are killing your feet. Yeah. But damn, your ass looks great. Yep. Makes your ass poke out.

Worth it. Yeah. And it's more common than not. Like, it's so accepted. It's a weird paradox, but it gives them power. Yeah. Because that sexual desire thing is a big lot of attention yeah that's a you know I just spoke about this earlier you like of the juice yeah like that juice

alright so I want to get back to the spot if I think real quick so what do you how does that information come to you how does it like hey this is a problem and then how do you then make a decision how long does that take who do you talk to if whatever you wanted to say well you know there was several phone calls about it it was one of those things where it's like there was a lot going on but did you feel like you were in trouble or it was just like this is a pain in the ass uh definitely it'd be trouble yeah i mean you got to think of you know having artists boycott it and you know being able to explain like what do you mean by misinformation because i know people say things like that and they they say things like

misinformation but how much do you actually know about the subject and that's why i wanted to say in that video this is what i actually know about the subject we're not talking about quacks we're talking about one of the guys who has nine patents on the invention of the mRNA vaccines. These aren't nutty people. They're like the leaders of their field. Peter McCullough is the most published doctor in history in his field. This is like, these are like very prominent physicians and doctors. And so saying they're misinformation, you're buying into the bullshit and you're you're upset because you're old and vulnerable i get it and you you don't want anybody i did a joke like a lot of artists spreading a virus right i get it i get where you're coming from but what they're

telling you is not true and what they're telling you about this being misinformation if you have someone on who wants to go into in-depth discussion about whether or not this is a gain-of-function research lab virus that got accidentally released onto the world there's a lot of evidence points to that right but that shit would get you removed from youtube just a year and a half ago they would they would pull you yeah from online you wouldn't be able to say that but that's pretty much accepted fact there's like a 90 something percent certainty when i think the last time they polled is there a poll like how many let's let's find out if this is true because i think i've read this on reddit what what percentage of people believe the lab leak hypothesis is the origin of covet like if they want to mention that like prominent anybody or

like scientists because i've heard people argue against it that they think it's a natural spillover but the arguments against that argument are very compelling saying there's no animal model that doesn't make any sense and also it's in the same fucking place where they had a covet lab like it's right there this is where it started from when john stewart was on Colbert and he went on that ramp. That was funny as fuck. Oh my God. It was funny as fuck because Stephen was frozen.

Trying to cock block it. Yeah. No, you don't mean that. I'd like to see some evidence. If you have any evidence, I'd like to see the evidence. Like, what are you saying, man? Why are you holding water for a Chinese bio lab? Politico, Harvard poll. Most Americans bleed COVID leak from a lab this is a year and a half ago though now it's probably everybody okay okay so that's one poll i think there was like a poll among scientists i think i think what i had read was like in a conversation it's one of those weird

things where i don't care where it's from and it just becomes an argument about like oh I fucking care you do how come because there's funding behind that where the American taxpayers like helped fund This kind of research. Oh This research that Obama shut down right and then during the Trump administration like fucking started back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah and People have been very deceptive about whether or not this research is ever even done. You know, that's the famous Rand Paul. You've seen those Rand Paul, Fauci conversations where he's calling it gain-of-function research,

and Fauci is, like, sticking to this very narrow definition of what gain-of-function is. But the reality is they manipulated viruses to this very narrow definition of what gain-of-function is. But the reality is they manipulated viruses and made them more contagious for humans. That's what they did in that lab. That's also an ongoing thing in science. It's kind of part of science. It's not some secret fucking nefarious lab.

It's just a thing that people do in science well they they give money to different labs for different research projects and right when Fauci's leaving he's retiring he just gave another grant to the same people that they were accusing of doing this work so so that's your pet like that's your sort of premise on why it why because I I'm still in the mind of like okay even when you say because people gave money to it is it just about like don't don't pay these people is about stopping that process there should be some some real conversations about why this was done like why are you doing that work like are you doing that work so that you can come up with better cures?

And where are those cures? Because, like, what are you, or are you just doing the work to better understand viruses? So you're risking making this highly contagious virus that may or may not get out just because you have research money. They're doing it in tons of areas, though, right? Like that, am I misunderstanding that? They do it in- Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're doing it in tons of areas though, right? Like that, am I misunderstanding that? They do it in- Oh yeah.

Yeah. They do it in Galveston. We went, Duncan and I went to the Galveston lab and it's fucking crazy, dude. They're all got spacesuits on and vacuums attached to their heads and shit and they're working and the guy was explaining to us, he goes, we are working with some of the most infectious, horrific diseases in the world. They're right here. And we're like, what the fuck?

Y'all should stop. But he was saying that they weren't worried about man-made stuff he was saying that our biggest fear is some natural spillover that's catastrophic yeah something like the plague or and that that is really possible and that's why they have to study these diseases it was a really wild thing because he wasn't worried at all about what actually happened at the time. Because this was like, I think when Duncan and I were around, it was like, what was that, like 2013 or something? So it was quite a while ago. And I don't think they were really worried about an engineered virus.

You know, something that was naturally designed to become more infectious so they could study how those things work. Is there, in terms of like information, misinformation, AI, deep face, that whole field, and even what Elon Musk's running Twitter now, right? Where do you fall on? Because it's one of these things like I believe in there's got to be some sort of

for lack of a better term board, jury some system in place for what is true and what is not true. And when i talk these things out people i always end up in like we all agree that there needs to be some board we can't agree on who should be on the board how would you fucking do that with all the subjects all the show it

think about all the different subjects whether it's uh pop culture or fucking entertainment or technology or medicine or how many different experts would you have to employ to make sure that everything everyone says is true i think a better better solution is mind reading and i think we're probably way closer to that i think they're gonna hear me out they're gonna way closer to that. Hear me out. They're going to come out with that Neuralink thing, and along with it, as it improves, and there's a bunch of different human neural interface computer things they're working on, different companies are working on. I love shit like that. That's a bridge too far for me.

I'm like, I don't know. I think we're going to have to adopt it. I really genuinely do. I think it's going to be one of those things where the benefit of having it is going to be so huge. And it's going to really fuck with this whole haves and have-nots thing. Because the people that get access to it quicker in the beginning, if it really does increase. What do you see this machine doing? The way Elon describes it is increasing the bandwidth in which you can access information.

And he said you're literally going to be able to talk without words to other people to other people yeah do you is that something you want that's not the question the question is if someone gets that and they become really the next stage of human evolution and you're left behind and you're cool with that. Oh, I know what you mean. Cause that might be what we become. What we become is integrated. Well that's almost longevity.

You and I can afford longevity shit. Most people can't. Right. Right. Is that privilege? Is that, should we like legislate? You know what I mean? Like, should we make it so it's how do we level that playing field?

That's interesting. Right. But that just keeps you as a healthy human being. What this is going to do is turn you into a new thing. If you can get something that actually increases your intelligence and increases your capacity to think think to uh calculate to access information that it's all in your mind anytime you want it and through whatever kind of interface they develop if that becomes real you'll have such a massive advantage in business and and you know all these different things that require calculations and well, that's like the AI thing.

Like, you look at the AI art. It's fucking really fun. Really good. Very good. Wild. And funny as shit. There's an app called Wonder. And just hours.

Why? Just Neil Brennan at NASCAR. And just the photos they made. Just whatever. You could do it endlessly, right? It's amazing how quickly that has emerged, right? These new softwares. Did you read the one that's like joke-based?

There's a joke-based AI? No. Joe, it's not bad. It's not funny yet, but it's like you can see how it could be. So I think it will be like bodybuilding where there's clean competitions and assisted competitions. Or like, yeah, but of course a bot's funnier than me. Right. Like it, you know what i mean like it's gonna get to the point where there's if there's an that art thing the one that won the competition it's a fucking really nice painting or whatever the fuck you call it

really nice creation uh but it's not even it's it's like to say it's wrong it's not even, it's like to say it's not, you can't have it competing against humans. No. So that's, I think what you're saying is like, well, what do we do? I think they'll just be like divisions where. The problem is though, if that's what human beings are going to become ultimately, we seem to be totally reliant on technology. Everybody accepts that. Everyone has a phone. Everyone has email. Everyone has a computer. You know, when they first came out with the personal computer,

there were so many people that were saying, this is the dumbest idea ever. Who the fuck is going to want a computer in their house? Now, everyone has a computer. If all of this becomes integrated into the human body, our level of acceptance of it right now is 100

and it's not weird by in any world that's the funny how insidious it is where it's not it's it's slow it's slow moving but it's it's basically in your body yeah yeah basically yeah it's even if it's not bluetooth it's's an appendage at this point that we welcome. And by the way, it didn't happen overnight, although I remember having like a sidekick in 03 and being like pretty hooked on it. Yeah. Like pretty quickly like, oh, this is very valuable. Yeah, people love the sidekick. You got a full keyboard and everything.

Forget it. Forget it. What are we talking about? Flip it up there. Fucking you, that click. Fucking you were king of the world yeah if you were cool you that was like when paris hilton was in full bloom couldn't tell me she had a sidekick yeah you goddamn right she did uh but the the question is i if you this is a separate uh discussion but it's almost like the if you took a put you know when they do the, is America on the right track and they vote like yes or no, or is

this kind of, if you ask most humans, is earth on the right track, they'd be like, nah, I don't think this is good. I don't think where we're headed is good. And that, the thing with the implant, I agree with you, but it's the same way I take Instagram off my phone. There might be zones where there's no... No head implants? No head implants beyond this point. I think once they invent them, it's over.

I think everyone's going to adopt it the same way we adopted shoes. I think people are going to realize that having some sort of a computer interface that's far superior in so many ways to human memory. What if you could offload your visual memory to like HD video?

That was like an episode of the dark mirror Wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that's not outside the realm of possibility if they do start installing chips in people's brains We will have like a super accurate Recording of everything you do everything you've done. Yeah, and if at any point in time someone accuses you something well yeah there's no more opinion there's no that's the problem with china you go to china they scan your face they're tracking you the whole time i was thinking like i couldn't do drugs i couldn't go if i go somewhere to do something fucked up and i'm chinese i it's that you cannot be a dissident after that point because they go what are we doing we have video yeah we try we have cameras

there's a hundred million cameras in china we're watching you through your eyes well that's where that's where that's where we're going that's what i'm saying what i'm saying is they won't have to wonder or not whether or not you committed a crime they'll be able to literally watch you do it right when then they will also be able to prevent you from doing it yeah and if you you get to a point where we are all online together like our minds are connected who's running the server well this is i told santino this the other day it's i've pitched it on here before pres pres bot robot president ai president put all the information of human history into an ai all human psychology outcomes and it would be the competition of well what are

we doing howard zinn's history of america Are we doing the textbooks history of America? We're doing critical race theory We're doing whatever all of the that's where the fight would be But that to me is getting to the point of like there's a lot of fucking human error Yeah, it's a lot of dumb. He's tall shit that could be prevented by some form of... I mean, I guess it's artificial, but I don't know. What do you think a robot president would do about Ukraine?

I think it would... Again, it's my own liberal slant. So it's like I think he would support it with a cutoff date. Oh, Jesus. And then what happens at the cutoff date? You leave him alone and Russia just comes storming in. Or you just – You feel super guilty.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Afghanistan. Yeah. Afghanistan, what do you think they should have – I mean, Afghanistan should have been a police mission. It's the thing they always said. Robot president would have never got us into either one of those.

Robot president would have done the calculations and said this is not going to end well like look we've we've actually thought this out we planned it out but robot president do you think robot president would have gamed out ukraine and come to the like gone like no they can fight them yeah they can fight them and if they have international support they can fight them and if they have international support because even if you game out ukraine all right so let's let russia take it i don't think that's positive i don't think robot i don't even think robot president would like that like a robot president would say we have to risk some lives to save the territory. Yeah, because the spread of ideology, government, it's not good to just have G7 fucking governments

in taking just land willy-nilly. And then the argument that Putin had was that NATO kept encroaching on its borders. They were trying to get Ukraine to join NATO, and that would have too many consequences for him Yeah, I know which seems like that's struck me as a fake argument Struck me as a it was a good it was a bit of the Saddam Hussein thing where it was like

Do you have yellow you have nuclear you have nukes and all that stuff and I think Hussein's point was like, I don't want my neighbors to know what I have. So if it's all the same to you guys, I'd like to keep it a little mysterious as to what I have and not make it, yeah, I'm not crazy about inspectors. So I think with Putin, it was like he didn't he said

I don't think I don't but I don't buy the fact that NATO was going to invade Russia no I don't think that was a real threat no no one was ever saying NATO was going to invade Russia what they were saying was that by them moving their missiles closer to Russia it made like an initial first attack much more convenient. And it also violated the treaty that they signed. What was it? There was a, what was the agreement that they had? It was like, there was a, there was an agreement somewhere around, I want to say 94 or something like that where they discussed making sure that um well what's funny is the counter couldn't get their miss i forget the ukraine made a deal with russia we'll give up our nukes as long as you never invite us so it's like which if i'm the robot i'm like hey there's

contradictory information here do you know what i mean? Like there's, even you and I discuss in some of the things we've discussed today, the nursing shortage, right? Or the healthcare. Your take on it is because they were fired because they wouldn't get vaxxed. I have all the takes. I do.

I can see all the scenarios. And that's like our discussion is kind of America. And I'm going, no, it was a shitty job. And you're going like, yeah, it was a shitty job. And I go, yeah, they did fires. I know people that had to decide whether to get vaxxed to keep their nursing job. Yeah. Like.

I know people who did. But also, it's a hard job. It's hard to keep people on hard jobs. Yeah. It's a thankless, shitty. Yeah. Of course. a hard job. It's hard to keep people on hard jobs. Yeah. It's a thankless, shitty, yeah, of course. Fucking hard work. And they work crazy hours, and you're watching people die all the time. Yeah.

Not a lot of fun. Yeah. But to the thread we're on, the, yeah, it's like what, the AI thing and having a sentient, or not even sentient, leader, or, there would have, and then who's like what the AI thing and having a sentient or not even sentient leader or there would have. And then who's like the who are the generals underneath? You know what I mean? Like who implements what Presbot says? Do we take it?

Are there a few AIs? And then there's a super. Are there a few AIs? And then there's a super, it's like, it's the, it's a bit like self-driving where it's like self-driving. I don't believe it will happen because self-driving algorithms will have to decide run over the old person or the baby. Right. Right.

How do you ensure that? Jesus Christ. How do you get insurance? What do you do? Old person? Uh, yeah, yeah. how do you get insurance what do you do old person uh yeah yeah and i do four old people one baby four old five old people two teenagers like again gifted old person lumpy teenager you know that's and that's the fuck all those things that's where when i when elon bought this shit i'm like fucking dude why do that to yourself why do that to yourself like what a

fucking pain what an everybody is freaking out what a hair suit that is to put on apparently like a lot of people have left, but more people have come on. Yeah, I think. I don't know what their expectation is. Well, I don't know what their expectation is either. But what he wanted to do was have a place where people could actually debate things and talk about things and not worry about being censored just because you have a different political philosophy. You have different perspectives on worldviews and events and things. And I think that's valid.

But whether or not you can do that at scale and not have any content moderation at all, what would the content moderation be like? Would it be like exactly what Twitter had in place? Because you use AI for a lot of that stuff. They flag words and things like that. Or do you do it in a different way? Are you more lenient? And if you are more lenient, what are the consequences of that?

And then what are the consequences of the advertisers? This is where you just get into like, fuck. Right. What if the advertisers decide they don't want to use you anymore because they're not confident of their products being advertised on a website where people don't have restrictions of what they can say yeah which is actually happening yeah and like the amount of like hate speech and all that stuff which is like i don't think you think it's good i don't think he thinks it's good i don't think uh uh the most you know free speech absolutist, turns out free speech

except no impressions of me. Well, I think the problem was people were using his photo and writing his name, that it was Elon Musk. And so it looked exactly like his avatar that he uses. It's a good bit.

And then they're writing a bunch of ridiculous shit. Right, it's a good bit. Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to fight that. I think if I was him and Sarah Silverman said I made poopy or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Okay.

I thought comedy was legal, buddy. Yeah, they, you know, when you make a law against people pretending to be people, and then you say it has to say satire. Yeah, it's not a law. It's just what you want. Yeah. And also, if he did you, he wouldn't have cared. Or me.

Somebody else, he would have just been like, oh, Joe's funny. He's got a good sense of humor, whatever. Yeah, would he let you do that if you wanted to try to pretend to be like Queen of England? Or if you did Kathy Griffin. Right. Exactly.

Exactly. I bet it would have been fine if people were impersonating. That's where it's like, why do this to yourself? Yeah. Well, it's also, it's like, you know, we were talking about the negativity of reading comments and that even the positive comments are probably not good for you and then i think that applies to everybody and i think it applies to everyone with 149 million twitter followers you're interacting with too many minds and as smart as he is and he's probably the smartest man alive i don't i don't know if anyone has the capacity to be normal while interacting with that many people online and like reading tweets and responding to tweets and take – I just –

I think he lives in an extreme world. Meaning wealth, input. Yeah. He's got a probably – not even probably. He's got an extreme brain. He's got an extremely powerful brain. He's got extremely powerful influence. He's's just got it's at all extremes and you know he likes the the juice he likes he likes the juice so it's hard and there's no regulation it feels you know it's like uh

manic to bipolar people don't like taking the medication because it takes the high off really yeah they don't you get you gets it gets rid of the low but it gets rid of the high and the high is fucking glorious you know yeah you don't want that numb middle yeah but so that's what they put kanye on right they had they had him on some remember yeah when he got when he got uh what they put him in what kind of medical facility was it was it a what do they call them now sanitariums like what do they call them when yeah mental health yeah mental health facility yeah that was uh when he out and he was just kind of like, just,

yeah. And that's the, and, and, and this is the thing that I think about free speech, AI, it's, Kanye,

on medication, is a tragedy. Yeah. Kanye, Kanye, off medication, has the potential to create some bomb ass songs. But also, it's a tragedy yeah kanye medication has the potential to create some bomb ass songs but also it's a tragedy also it's a tragedy well and that's what's going on right now is what's going on right now strategy for sure i heard a song he made six weeks ago excellent of course

it's great excellent that same personality that makes music to just powerful bang bang bang That coming out with just words It's like sometimes the wrong words come out and then you have to defend those wrong words. It's like how much How much reading and thinking are you doing on these subjects and how much you just used to? Espousing your opinions on things with full confidence all the time. Yeah on things that are very nuanced and complicated well, that does anybody talk to you about this well, I don't but but when you're Billionaire yeah, you don't you're not getting you you've lost You don't have access to no one's gonna be straight with you

Mm-hmm. It's just you don't even have to have a billion you could have 10 million people are gonna be straight with you no you're hiring everyone you're picking up every it's just it's a it's in some ways I think the with Kyrie Irving and Kanye I told somebody it's like algorithmic personality disorder where they you start off a little and then you get right further right further right further right because you're you watch it does it to you now extreme explain kairi posted a link in his story to a video and this is why he's getting in trouble but isn't that video for sale on amazon? Yeah, no, somebody said that. It's an excellent point.

That's the craziest thing ever. Yeah, it's an excellent point. Kyrie is getting in trouble, and Amazon's not? Yeah. What? You want all this from him because he watched a video and he sent a link to it that you're selling. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking wild. This speaks to the thing we were talking about earlier, which is it used to be. Amazon considers disclaimer to anti-Semitic film. Oh, good for them. Nice.

Consider it. See how long. That Irving shared online. The company said it was working with the Anti-Defamation League to potentially, potentially add language to the page that viewers see before buying or renting the film. Meanwhile, the film is still for sale. They want him to give up a half a million dollars. They want him to make a public apology.

They want him to talk to different leaders. Yep. And the fucking video, all he did is post a link. Yeah. What did he say? Did he say, this video is amazing and I agree 100% with everything he says? I think he wasn't, like, hate sharing it. Even if he did, like, go and watch that video and say, I like that video.

The video's for sale on Amazon. I agree. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. That no one has an issue with that. Yeah. Well, that's where you're into expectations of Jeff Bezos.

I mean, I was doing a joke about it. It's like, I'd way rather be Jeff Bezos than fucking Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift gets, a lot of celebs get dinged for flying private. Yeah. They are for the environment except for private jets. And Jeff Bezos could wear a fur jumpsuit. Yeah. With a fucking, with a bald eagle around like and he's got and no one

has any expectations and the other thing is jeff bezos goes do you want the moisturizer in 40 minutes or not what do you what are we playing what are you telling me you fucking want it i mean yeah or the the proverbial jeff bez Like, there's no standard expectation for him. There is for Kyrie because he has all these corporate partnerships and the NBA is like, yo, fucking. But it's not that. He's an influential individual, and he's a basketball player, and he's a huge star.

Jeff Bezos is just a guy who owns a company, but the company is not him. The company has this video for sale. But Jeff Bezos and Amazon would kill themselves if they only had Kyrie's influence. Of course. I mean, what Kyrie has is relative to Amazon. No one's defending this. No one's defending this on either side.

But what I am saying is it's pretty wild that that video is for sale and he's in trouble. Totally agree. I want to talk about what it used to be like going. Let's read this here. Amazon said the film did undergo review before becoming available online, though it declined to provide details of the review and how it concluded that the film did not violate the prohibition on hate speech. What is this movie? What is it?

I don't even know what it is. I think it's like, remember that book, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? No. It's just a conspiracy. What is it? This is basically saying like, you know those dudes who yell in Times Square at the Hebrew Israelites? Here it is.

It's their movie. Mr. Irving tweeted a link to Amazon for a documentary called Hebrews to Negroes Wake Up Black America, which includes extensive anti-Semitism, such as claims that Jews control the media and that millions of Jews did not die during the Holocaust huh the the Holocaust denials a tough one so is that does the film say no one died or does it say less people than they say died this like but people love to to stick their neck into like hornets nests i mean the if you deny the numbers of people that died in the hulk i think what are you trying to say you try to say it wasn't bad well it's pointless it's also meaning it's like

well it wasn't actually seven it's more like three. It's the Cosby argument. It's like, he didn't rape all of them, bitches. Eight of them. Is it eight? Yeah, it is the silly. How many do you think died? I just want to know. That's what I'd say to him.

What do you think? You think it was a thousand? Yeah, but I think guys like that go, it's not my place to know it's like the it's too easy the information is too easy to attain now you used to in the 90s you had to go to a store you gotta go to a library you gotta go to or i don't even think it was a library it was more like an independent bookstore like a weird kind of hippie and they'd have a ufo book right and they'd have a dmt book and they'd have a bigfoot book and it's basically your podcast it was a bookstore that's what your podcast is it's just all these there was uh they they i remember there was one in la and that's where i got the tape of like celebrities cussing

celebrities at their worst CD like all and they just had all those books and then there was one the white supremacist one was the that's very funny I was talking to Chris Rock about this last night we're

talking about like how many they've sold and how they're selling it for like like, how much does it cost? The paperback of the book. The hardcover is $44. That cuts how much it costs to buy also for the movie. It's $11 to rent. The movie you buy, it's $40? There's a book version that came out first,

and then they made a movie of the book. But how much is the movie? $40. Yo! And it's number six this week this is the book that i have up the book is on the amazon charts it was also number one at one point two so number the book is number six and it was number one and this video is number what do they tell you how many people are watching the video i just clicked whatever was on google and it took me to the book does amazon have like a thing Did they tell you how many people were watching the video? I just clicked whatever was on Google and it took me to the book. Does Amazon have a thing where they let you see

how many views it's getting? No, I don't think so. Well, I guarantee it's a lot. Yeah. So they're selling it. So Amazon must get a piece of that? How does that work? Amazon gets a piece of it.

So it's like a percentage thing like Apple Store? Like that kind of deal yeah no i mean yeah wow they're getting their mark it's like any it's not even out it's a distribution fee whatever no all right so here's the question here's the question what do we do do you think we just have to be open, like something of a free for all? Whether that's misinformation, Holocaust denial, right? Just as like a thing. Because this is the thing that Zuckerberg said, if somebody posted Holocaust denial on Facebook, he'd accept it.

And then a couple years later, he was like, you know, I've had a change of heart. I think I would try to get rid of it. Do we do a free-for-all? And if that leads to the demise of humanity, so be it? Or do we

have some mechanism? Because that seems to be the argument whenever, because people go, I don't think, I think Alex Jones should be able to say whatever he wants. I think whoever can say whatever they want, and then they,

and we have to let the chips fall where they may. Because I don't trust any human being to be in charge of this. So we just have to see where this takes us. Because there was a thing in in with whatsapp for example uh owned by meta mark zuckerberg and there was a thing there's a lot of misinformation on whatsapp they'll just blast people no they'll just blast numbers and in the myanmar civil war there was a thing if you look this up it'd be war, there was a thing. If you look this up, it'd be great because there was a thing where they blasted misinformation

and it, a bunch of people went to some location and were slaughtered. It was like a, it was a setup basically. Now a free speech absolutist would say. A genocide incited on Facebook with posts from Myanmar's military. Wow. So that's 2018. They posed as fans of pop stars and national heroes as they flooded Facebook with their hatred. One said Islam was a global threat to Buddhism.

Another shared a false story about the rape of a Buddhist woman by a Muslim man. The Facebook posts were not from everyday Internet users. Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing, according to former military officials, researchers, and civilian officials in the country. That's another problem with social media is that there's a very distinct real number, whatever the number is, where those accounts aren't real. Whatever the number is, they know that hundreds of thousands of them are fake and come from these Russian troll farms,

and there's people that use them to manipulate you with businesses. I mean, even Howard Stern was calling for that. Remember there was that video that came out about him? We were saying, hey, make a bunch of fake Twitter accounts and text and tweet to celebrities. Right, and that's, you know, it's like Donald Rumsfeld said, that's the cost of living in a free society. Yeah.

Freedom's messy. The question is, you read more of that, people got fucking thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands, based on fake posts. Yeah, so what I'm saying is, there's all sorts of ways people manipulate social media. sorts of ways people manipulate social media. The fact that you could just communicate to people like instantaneously, it's really magical, pretty amazing. But the problem that comes along with that is that you're going to get people manipulating it and you're going to get people that can really have a great deal of impact on the way people see and think about things. And you could do that for your own best interest, or you could do that like they did it and slaughter a bunch of people.

You could do that to try to make people aware of a situation, to sell a product, to do it. But the bottom line is it's not people. Yeah, and you could say it in a Trump room, or you can go to the Democrats and argue with them about it And you stir up shit. Yeah, and it's not real people That's the thing that's fucked is like if if I know you're a human being and you're trolling that's one thing Oh that guy's a troll, but at least I can identify you that's a the one human being

I know who he is if you're a part of some Macedonia troll farm and you're just spamming and multiple bear and account they're terrible they're real people though yeah but if you are doing it for a very specific purpose you work for a company that's doing that like that I just want to fuck with them with with whatever country's election or whatever country said yeah whatever with everything that happens with democracy itself, but how what is the percentage of that? I want to know what the number is because if the number really is

Like people thought that the number on Twitter could be as low as 5% or some crazy people think it might be as high as 80% What was that? argument that was by a guy who was some sort of that argument that was by a guy who was some sort of um securities expert correct and he said like the on the high end he think there it might be like 80 bullshit accounts yeah okay so that's which that's the world yeah what do we do charge eight bucks that's what elon's gonna do if you make people pay god damn it that might be the only way you can get people to not have fake accounts. But they would still have fake accounts.

Yeah. They're going to game it. What I'm saying is- It would be very valuable, right? If you did have an account, if it only cost you $8 to create a whole new account, and you use that account for propaganda, and you could- Money well spent. Incredibly well spent.

You could do a lot of stuff with that money yeah but what i'm saying is king joe what do you do how do you like what do you do what do you do about alex saying that the that there were crisis actors what do you do about people exercising free speech that's not true, what do you do? That's the thing that I can't- Do you counter it with truth? And do you let it all play out until people get a chance to understand what's correct and what's incorrect? I think a lot of times it's too late. Myanmar would be an example by the time they realize that it's too late. That seems particularly different because they use that app to spam people.

Yeah, but I think that or Alex does, you know, Alex says that they're crisis actors in Connecticut. And then those families lives are ruined three times worse than they would have been ruined. Their kids die. You know what I mean? It's a good question i and that's what i'm saying like as a person as i don't know how to handle these things i and thinking about it i'm like i have no fucking idea no i don't think anybody does and there's there's free speech absolutists. And there's people that are willing to forgive people for past mistakes. And there's people that will never forgive you for anything. And they want you punished and removed from the air if you made a mistake or if you say something incorrect or if you give out misinformation.

They're talking about malinformation now, which is really wild. It's like using intentionally bad true information but using it in out of context or using it in a context that could be uh dangerous i don't even i don't even need to look at i think what do you do i just don't know what to do i'm not bullshitting when i say the read minds thing is our way out of this. I really think that. I think we really are not going to know what the fuck people mean or think or feel or what their motives are. Do you know how many relationships are going to fall apart once we can read minds? Most of them. So many people are going to know people's secret feelings about them or know their intentions or know that they'll have like a plan to like stay with you for

seven years and then take it to the cleaners yeah well that's but that's the in until that happens that sounds like 40 years uh what do we do about we let people sort it out i but i don't have any i'm kind of of the mind that people can't be trusted to sort it out. We're not, we're not, it's too many inputs. I have to pee so bad that I can't concentrate on this conversation, but we'll come right back to it. Yeah, yeah. Whether or not people can fucking handle it.

Yeah. We'll be right back. Ah, yes. Couldn't concentrate. That, I can't hold this pee in any longer. Yeah, like this is where the fuck. I can't listen to this guy. Such a narrow bandwidth of your fucking focus. You can't form sentences anymore.

Whether or not people can handle it. We're kind of handling it. This is like an unprecedented influx of information and people are kind of handling it. You know what? The one thing they're doing is they're distrusting corporate news sources that have been lying to them over and over and over again. What's filling that void, though? Independent news sources. Independent news sources where people know that these people are telling you the truth.

They're telling you what they really feel. They're not influenced by any network executives. People like Breaking Points with Crystal and Sagar and the Jimmy Dore show. There's quite a few shows that are doing very well during this time. Wouldn't you argue they all have their own biases, though? Yes, exactly. For sure. But I was going to say, even if you don't agree with them, they don't lie.

They don't distribute propaganda. They don't lie. And what they're putting out is even if it's their opinion and you disagree with it, at least they're not lying about any facts. They might not be correct all the time. Right, well, that's what I'm saying. It's like it might be misinformed. It might be biased. Well, it's like you can find multiple studies that give you different data points on certain things, right?

There's studies, if you want to look, you can find a study that says this. If you want to look, you can find a study that says this. If you want to look, you can find a study that opposes that. So it's like how much research are they actually done into each individual subject? And do you agree with their conclusions? There's always that. But they're not liars. And everyone on TV is a fucking liar. Like they're paid to lie.

Like you see it over and over again the way they're like that famous speech where rachel maddow is saying if you get vaccinated the virus stops with you you can't give it to anyone else she's literally saying medical misinformation on television right and she's saying it to convince you to do a medical procedure she's not a fucking doctor no i would i would argue she's just being hopeful i don't but i don't believe i don't believe yeah no i believe they are well for sure they know that the government was encouraging people to do this and that they were contacting people on different shows and encouraging them to promote the vaccine yeah so she's doing this in a way that's just not true at all and when you see i wouldn't i would argue

it's not not true at all but i i it's certainly biased how would you argue that it is true in any way the vaccine doesn't stop transmission and it doesn't stop you from getting infected did she believe did she believe that at the time do you could have believed it. She could have believed it. But that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think that she's willfully lying. They did tell you in the beginning that it would do that. Right. That's what I'm saying.

Like, I don't think she's lying. I think that she's... Whoever came up with that data knew that wasn't true. They're admitting that they never even tested it. I'm with you that there's a lot of like hopeful you see what's like a conversation where that woman was having with the so a pfizer ceo where they asked her whether or not they tested it to prevent infection and she said they didn't yeah so to even say that like someone had to tell rachel maddow maybe she's not

lying but someone had to tell her something that's absolutely not true. That's what I'm talking about. That's my point. That's why they don't listen to them anymore. I get it. I really get that. People are engaging with independent people, whether it's Glenn Greenwald or Matt Taibbi, independent journalists that will tell you what they really feel about things. And that is what's emerging from this confusion that's promising to me. That's going to have its own pitfalls, though, which is it's just a different bias. There's no solution.

I know. That's Thomas Sowell. There's no solution, only tradeoffs. Yeah. He's Thomas Sowell. There's no solution, only trade-offs. Yeah. He's right. Yeah. And that's the thing of like, I understand the disgust, frustration with mainstream media. Like, I fucking get it.

I think it's valuable, but I get the... No, there's something valuable about the New York Times. There's something valuable about the New York Times. There's something valuable about the Washington Post. But the more times they fuck things up and get things wrong and distort things, the more that value decreases. Totally agree. The price that they pay for being biased and being woke and all the horseshit that they say, when they know it's at least partially inaccurate, when they do that, it diminishes their value as the most important news

sources in the world total agreement and they still do it they still do it because it's part of the culture yeah you human error yeah it's human a bias and fucking yeah it's just and that's where whether it's jimmy or jimmy dore or glenn greenwald or any of these people. They all have biases. Yeah, they all have biases. And it's less of a, I don't know what their system is for verification or, you know what I mean? Or like lawsuits or. I think it's going to ultimately come down to people are going to emerge out of this that are trusted voices. And you can be a trusted voice and you could be successful and be a trusted voice. Just never sell yourself out. I think you are one.

Thank you. I try. I try really hard. I'm never going to just go on here and tell people something. I always say about you, you are not a liar. It's not good for anybody. It's not good for you. It's not good for you. It's not good for anybody.

There's no benefit in it. It doesn't help you. It doesn't help anybody. I feel like that's what's going to emerge. These people that are like real independent journalists who adhere very closely to the ethics of journalism. And a lot of them get fucking torn apart for it. Like Alex Berenson sued Twitter, got back on. I mean, that's wild, right? Sue Twitter. Cause they were saying, what you were saying is misinformation for COVID misinformation. Everything he said was from peer

reviewed studies, all of it, all the data, all the things he was saying, he's reporting on things in a way that's factually inaccurate. It's accurate. It's accurate. And they kicked him off and then they had to put him back on because of that. Those guys are valuable because if they're not doing that, who's doing that? And you might not agree with him. And you might say, you are causing vaccine hesitancy and you're causing people to not think this is a dangerous virus. You might be correct. You might be correct that that influences some people in some way, in that way. It didn't influence me in that way way We would influence me in a way where I'm like, oh, this is very strange and I'm getting all this information from this one guy and

Why is this this seems to be available like this should be on NBC? This is me on CBS everybody should be talking about this but they're not so they have a very specific Narrative when it comes to this thing where they're not trusting that you can make good decisions They want to guide you in a very specific direction when people feel like they're being guided because of Ideology or because of a corporation or multiple corporations that are behind the advertising for that show Which is most certainly the case on television? they get Suspicious they don't want to listen to you anymore right they'll take some information like oh look

There's a bomb went off over there there it is I see it on TV But not these talking heads and the people that are like they're not they're worthless There's I was watching Tim Pool show they were talking about Don Lemon show that in the key demographic you got 70,000 viewers mm-hmm you know what saying that is That's such an insanely small number. It's like not a great podcast. No, it's like a new podcast from a guy who is a doorman at the store.

But that's the world we're living in, man. Meanwhile, when Tim Poole's show was on, they had more than that watching. Right, no, what I would just say, like, I hope people are aware that there's trade-offs, because they're they're the thing that the argument for the post and the times and and legacy media is while biased it was uh there was a level of stability to it yeah and but it feels

paternalistic or it feels like people don't want to be guided, like you said. But it's fucking society, civilization. There's going to be some thing. And there is at this point, there's going to be some mechanism of guidance, whether it's the government, the church, media. Right. I think people do need some sort of what I call moral scaffolding. That's one of the reasons why I'm not anti-religious at all. I'm not particularly religious. I feel the same. There's when people go, religion is the cause of all wars. It's also the cause of most people not

punching people in the face. I have a feeling people would have found a reason to start those wars without religion. I just have a feeling. I think people say, you know, Christianity has done some horrible things. I think so, yes. But also, if they weren't Christians, they probably wouldn't have done the same shit. I think it's a human thing. I think it's a human thing, especially back in the day, man, when life was brutal and horrible and everybody had syphilis. You killed each other with swords. People were fucking ruthless.

And you could blame it on a religion but I think what the thing about having some sort of a structure and Most importantly moral and ethical like the way you treat each other the way you talk to each other like, you know What you try to do in life? I know a lot of Christians that are like the nicest people if they're real Christians if they're like real practicing believing a lot of Christians that are like the nicest people. If they're real Christians, if they're like real, practicing, believing Christians, some of the most charitable. You name any religion and I know a lot of people that are. I was about to say that too.

I know the same about Jews. I know the same about Muslims. I know the same about Mormons are some of the nicest fucking people I've ever met. Some of the greats. They're the nicest fucking people. And they're the wackiest religion. Yep. But they're the nicest folks. Like maybe it's good for them to have a structure you know and i think people without structures find structures in places where they

don't think it's a structure and i think that's what woke ism is i think i yeah and i also think that religion atheism's on the rise in the last 30 40 years because the the institutions were flawed and people go well fuck god okay yeah or fuck the dumb priests who fuck the kids you know what i mean like it's it's so it's damning institute and to use the metaphor institutional media that is a stabilizing force. A lot of what's in the New York Times is 100% factually correct. You know what I mean? A lot of it is. A lot of it's fucking absolutely factually correct. Washington Post, Guardian, I go down the line.

And also a lot of the stuff that Glenn Greenwald says is absolutely factually correct. Yeah. Like, I don't damn Glenn and I don't damn Glenn, and I don't damn them, but I'm not sure how confident I am that people can make these decisions on their own. Well, that's the thing. It's like we always want to assume that we're a lot smarter than the other people, so we're worried about other people getting influenced by shit that's not correct. And the moment I start to make an argument against that, I think about QAnon.

Say no more. I know. This is a new Q drop. Oh, my God. They restarted it. Yeah. It's like when they rebooted the equalizer. It's back.

Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. It's so fucking funny. People can't wait. It's back, baby. Yeah. Q's back. He's back.

Oh, my God. He's got a funny outfit this time. Bro, it went all the way up to Michael Flynn. Like, Michael Flynn, who was like, what was his official role in the military? He was a general, correct? Yeah, he was as high as you can get. He was a full on Q guy. He was gonna be the head of national security.

Yeah, former national security advisor. Did you watch Into the Storm? The QAnon documentary? I didn't like the style of it. documentary? I didn't like the style of it. What? I didn't like the... So then I decided that I was going to go to... I just didn't. Because I knew it was going to end up in just nothing.

You didn't like the narration of the way the guy's telling his story? Yeah. I thought it was fascinating. Yeah, yeah. And I thought... Because I'm fascinated by internet characters. I'm fascinated by those people that like spend all their time online and forums. I like when they move to Thailand.

Oh my God. Oh my God. That guy, the guy who most likely took it over from the first guy. Remember they visit the first guy. Did you watch that? I watched. I probably watched an hour or two. Okay. They found the guy who they assume is the first guy. Remember they visit the first guy? Did you watch that? I watched an hour or two. Okay.

They found the guy who they assume is the first guy, and he's very skeptical of the new Q for some reason. Of course. The new Q boots on. The new Q, that's not the guy, though. That's not the original guy that did it. That's the guy that came along. That's the guy that took it over.

The dad is the guy to the left. They're fucking characters Yeah, hilarious characters, but they were they were fucking like high-level Trolling people in a way that one of the posts that was made the only way someone could get access to it like It was when the forum got shut down So the forum comes back up and this post is up there. Like, how the fuck does this guy have access to it before everybody else? Unless he's this kid who's running the forum.

Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. And it's fucking. It influenced giant swaths of people. And January 6th. It's just like all this shit. You got light and you get someone that can benefit from it.

A human actor. A malicious human actor, and it can create huge problems, huge deaths. Right. Well, and if you watch the January 6th stuff, you know the story about the guy who was most likely some sort of a government agent who's trying to talk people into going in. He's out there. We got to go in there. I don't give a fuck what happens. We got to go in there.

And what is this guy's name? Ray something? Ray Epps. They found him. They know who the guy is. He's facing no charges, no consequences. And they grill the FBI about this guy. I forget who was a ted cruz grills the fbi at this guy about this guy and won't answer any questions won't won't answer yes or no whether or not he was an agent whether he's involved with them whether he had anything to do with them

nothing right and this guy's just trying to tell people to go inside and no charges yeah again conspiracy on conspiracy on a conspiracy but imagine that it's okay for you take a bunch of people who are obviously easily influenced i would argue that's most people that's a lot of people yeah and that's the cult thing we're talking about yes this is another cult that that's a cult too the order people need it the vote was rigged that's a cult yep the fucking storm the capital that's a cult so these people are out there and you get a guy who's like this big brawny powerful fucking manly looking man this government agent guy he's telling we gotta fucking go in there you're like yeah we gotta go in there and you you go in there because this guy tells you to go in there. Yeah. Like, what the fuck is going on?

Yeah. And then there's also like when the cops open the gates. Did you see that? No. There's video of cops just opening the gates and letting these people storm past the gates. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of like cops just being like, what the fuck are you doing? Why do you have gates?

Why do you have gates if someone could just open the gate and a cop opens the gate? Right. Because they're underarmed. Right. if someone could just open the gate and a cop opens the gate. Right, because they're underarmed. The insurgents are overarmed, and the cops, they won't send backup. They couldn't. Half of them didn't have good equipment. Half of them weren't allowed to have good equipment that day. They had to leave it on the bus, just shit like that.

So do you think they opened the gate because people were going to go through the gate no matter what, and they wanted to avoid that? That's how I interpreted it. I don't know this pretty here's, but this reminds me of something. It's the Steve Bannon thing of flooding the zone with shit. What they, so I see it as

one conspiracy and then they all run up there and I have an alternate viewpoint. I think a lot of cops might be on their side. Of course. So a lot of those cops that are there might be like, fuck yeah, I'm going to open the gate. Yeah, like, you know what? Yeah, totally agree.

They stole the vote. But yes, they're misinformed. There's so much thing. And then you go, what about the guy who we get so much information that you know where our brain goes? It's a fucking mistrialrial i don't even know what to think i don't even know what to think anymore when in reality we kind of know what happened what percentage of voting do you think is fraud what percentage of the results because it's not zero. So what's the number? I don't know.

I mean, the guy said the last election, the 2020, was the most legit election we've ever had. Well, again, I want to be really clear. I'm not questioning any election results. That's not what I'm trying to do. What I'm trying to say is, for sure, they lie about everything. People lie and steal and manipulate. And if you get 50 fucking states filled with people that are doing, there's got to be someone working there with a Trump sucks Cox tattoo.

And he's probably handling ballots. Human beings need constant supervision. Right. So there's a number. So do you think it's like a negligible number? Do you think like how much voter fraud is there? I'm of the mind that it's negligible in that every time I read, again, I'm reading. So who, but I don't, but I've never been in an election where people are like, I didn't fucking vote for that.

I've never been compelled to think that election was rigged. I've always like questioned it. I remember that HBO documentary Hacking Democracy where they took these I think they were diebold Make sure that's true. I think they were diebold computers and they found out that there was a third party Ability to enter third party data that they could utilize and they could affect the outcome so they ran a study or they ran a test with this machine where they Manipulated it and they got different results

Then they should have gotten they got results where it favored the client that this this one That this program was set up with the incumbent. Yeah diebold in Leon County, Florida So it was a really wild documentary because you realize like this can be a hundred percent could be manipulated Yeah, and and it's actually designed to be manipulated manipulated there was a thing on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago So it's 60 minutes, so it's very like stable. You know like selling stability. Mm-hmm, but they were explaining it was all the stuff that That Trump and all those guys were talking about I can't remember the name of the company But they're like they're not on the internet we disconnect them from the internet. It's all paper

not on the internet we disconnect them from the internet it's all paper and then they're counted onto a computer that's not connected to anything or not even a computer a hard drive or whatever then we take the hard drive and you can't there's no inputs so that's when i whenever i see stuff about manipulation or you know it's like i'm like it seemed pretty and then you see people counting and they're being supervised and it all seems not exactly foolproof because it's the interesting thing is by saying this i feel like a bitch right do you know what i mean like i'm some naive yeah toady for the government and stability which is the other thing it does being rational about it. Right, but the internet has made rational people seem like bitches and like-

Only to fools. Right. Only to fools. Right, but it's a lot of fools. But yeah, but you should be rational about it. And what you're saying makes a lot of sense. The other thing that makes sense is what's interesting about that documentary, Hacking Democracy, that was all about the Bush administration.

That was all about the Republicans hacking the vote because that was – I believe that company was a large contributor to the campaign. So I think that was what they were worried. The owners of that company had a vested interest in the Republicans winning. And so that was about hacking it. Because we have to realize this people have always accused people of rigging votes they've they did it in 2016 beginning of voting yeah so human history because it's a natural human inclination to cheat especially like when it comes to we we know how much money is involved in being president how much power is involved in being

president like god damn there's so many fucking factors and so many influences. There's so much of an incentive for someone to do something. If you are a person who's very invested in politics, so much so that you're working for a polling place, you know, and you're like really, you know, hardcore one way or another, hardcore right wing, hardcore left wing, if you can get away with shit, I'm sure you're going to do it. But the question is like, how many can get away with it and whether or not that actually can affect elections. And like, what about provisional ballots? What about people that don't have ID?

What about people that are here illegally and vote because they feel like that's the trade-off for being able to be allowed into the country that's the the argument about why they're letting so many people into this country right now now it's wild technically backfiring because most immigrants are voting conservative latinos yeah it's fucking hilarious they don't want to hear your bullshit yeah it'll work yeah no i agree but that it's interesting to hear your take on this stuff because you're a part of it. You know what I mean? Like you're when people talk about the, the, this sort of whatever dark way, like this sort of not legacy media, not legacy information streams.

You're a big part of it. And it's funny to hear that you're like, I'm just trying to figure it out like everybody else. I think everybody is trying to do that. It's just, you should be allowed to do that. The problem is everybody wants to come to a conclusion when they're not necessarily sure. It's more convenient to have like a clear conclusion. And there's a problem too, when there's a narrative that gets floated around. And if you question that narrative, like you're a kook or you're a bad person or you're a conspiracy theorist or you're contributing in some sort of a negative way like i do not like the idea of forced compliance i do not like the idea

of buying into a narrative and as soon as i'm asked to do that but that's a thing that didn't even exist it like didn't really exist before the internet the idea not the idea of force compliance But just like I don't know we just this is what we're doing You know like and then it became kind of weaponized of like you're a sheep and you're it's like where me I say like I believe most of what's in the New York Times you sheep ass I don't necessarily agree with you because even during the Vietnam War that was an issue I mean that was the division of society in the Vietnam Wars. People knew that the Vietnam War was bullshit and they knew that they were being fed bullshit by the government.

And they're sending human bodies over there to just to go and die. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So and that changed culture in this very radical way because people just were rejected all the norms of society. And it's also came about the same time as the introduction of lsd so people are doing acid and they're tripping and they just want to drop out of society so that was going on then too it's it's a it's a normal part of human beings to question the people that have power and to reject it's also funny hearing you talk about it is it it makes you think it think now it's just kind of a different group.

The problem is it can't be involved in the dissemination of information. As soon as all that money is involved in information, it can choose what to and what not to talk about. And when you only have an hour, you're only on the show for an hour, it's real easy to conveniently miss some really important stories. It's also inevitable. I don't even, because I would say it's not even intentional to fuck with,

to ignore this. It's bias. Could be. It's limitations. It certainly could be. Certainly could be all those things. But it also could be political agenda. That's possible too. And the thing is like, you shouldn't be expected to get the news in an hour, especially today. Cause you're dealing with the news of 8 billion people simultaneously. And you're only hearing the bad stuff. You're hearing the bad stuff about typhoons and fucking hurricanes and

a new disease and an animal attack and a lady got ate by a crocodile. And you're just never going to sleep. You're never going to sleep. It's coming at you 24-7 all the time and some of it's bullshit and you got to figure out what's what and what's not and you know in some ways you can leave that to other people and but the problem is then some of those people aren't real and then you find out some of those people are hired government misinformation agents that are designed to push a very specific narrative to get people talking about things online. That's real. Yeah. That fucking guy yelling at January 6th, get in there, we need to get in there. That's a real guy. You can watch the video. So either

he's crazy or someone paid him to do that. Right. And then who paid him? Was it Russia? Was it China? Or was it America? Or was it Michael Flynn? Or was it QAnon? And it's getting, it's that thing of trying to overwhelm people so they just go like, I don't fucking know.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And then they don't have they don't prosecute. They don't they just go, I don't fuck. It's just too much. It's a mistrial. I don't know. It's if you question things, you're you know, the the pushback against people questioning things is always odd to me. Like you should question pretty much everything.

I mean, there's some things that are just lock solid, absolute and real. It's always odd to me. Like, you should question pretty much everything. I mean, there's some things that are just lock solid, absolute, and real. You know, there's science behind them. You can see. Hurricane Ian touched down in Florida, did massive devastation and destruction. I'm a denier. It's right there. I'm an Ian denier. But you're right.

Yes. But you're not automatically a hero for questioning and you're not automatically a sheep for accepting. 100%. Yes, absolutely. And by the way, some things you probably should just accept because you don't have time to look into everything. And it's also funny, different neighborhoods of the internet value different things.

Yeah. You know, like the taxes thing. You know, taxes. There's people that like, that's what got Wesley Snipes in trouble of course they were telling him you know pay taxes not even in the fucking Constitution yeah like oh shit this is a loophole I don't even know about this and then next thing you know you're in jail yeah I don't like pay your fucking taxes like yeah if you even if they're right even if you're right just that's one argument you're not

gonna win yeah but cuz they didn't think he wasn't going to win. I don't know how he thought he was going to win that one. Because there isn't a law for taxes. Technically. The wildest one is religion. Go on. They're tax-free. Oh. The amount of money

a guy like Joel Osteen is raking in tax-free. Does he have to pay any taxes? does he have to personally pay taxes? How does that work? I? Have no idea find I believe that your limited salary if you if that if your church is incorporated but having churches pay no taxes is but that speaks to Stability where it's like it's the it's caho to stability where it's like

it's Kahoot's stability it's like the Bill of Rights and the Ten Commandments they're not exactly one to one but it's all kind of there's no coincidence there where it's like everything that they it's another wing of the it's a I

used to refer to God as super cop. Like we can't be there, but you shan't steal. You shan't, even if there's no cameras, don't steal, don't murder. But the taxes thing is nuts because Scientology got it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They sued. They sued the federal government and they got tax exempt status. And, uh, you know, that's wild because you know the guy who wrote it. One specific guy who is not just the most prolific author in human history. You know that?

He published more works of fiction. But not that. That was all real. No, no. I mean, look, guys gotta take the day off. And they get no taxes. It's pretty guys gotta take the day off and they get no taxes it's pretty wild i mean if you're like a small lutheran church and you you know you serve the community and you put on charities and do a bunch of great things and you're like a real asset yeah there's a lot of those churches they should be tax exempt i don't other than like the c-org slave shit i don't care about scientology do you know what i mean like i don't think that they're

they charge for classes i don't know they they kind of make you give them a tithe at churches seems like it's working out for Tom Cruise it's working out for a lot of them so really working out that's why I like I don't care just don't put people's don't slave people don't do that don't kidnap Kelly Miscavige and all that but like the rest of it i don't care about the rest of it's not any different to me than any other religion it seems like it's real similar to what goes on in a lot of religions in a sense because there's a lot of religions that force people to work as missionaries and there's a lot of religions that you know ask things of

people and you have to tithe 10 and have kids and don't use birth control. I'm like, that's pretty significant. It's very significant. Yeah. Yeah. And there's gay people. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of weird stuff in religions that we just accept.

Yeah. But didn't you say that? Um, I think you said this, that when you had a psychedelic experience, you kind of stopped being an atheist. Yeah, I was,

I was an atheist. And then ayahuasca journey number four no journey number three oh i'm in the presence of god i'm just in it now and it's not they i mean again this is what i experienced so it's not true or false but um it's a that's your central creation force that i experienced there was you know it didn't say it didn't have any rules or laws or did you get a sense of what this whole thing is supposed to be like what are we doing like if if there's a central creation force and you interact with it like what is it what does it want what does it want from us and what is it doing with like life i my experience this was from the bufo not ayahuasca which i is amazing bufo is just too rough for me uh i i was drowning on incomprehensibility i don't think it's comprehensible

what the purpose is my that's my experience i don't i didn's comprehensible what the purpose is. That's my experience. I didn't even get love from it. I didn't get hate. I didn't get venom. Yeah, I just got indifference. I just got like... Super powerful.

Just power. Force. Yeah, just force. It felt magnetic in a weird way. So is Bufo 5-methoxy? Yeah, it's 5-Mmeo yeah yeah that is a very different feeling that's a very different uh experience that that one i really thought it was gone i thought i died i mean it dude i didn't even when i was here last time i wasn't totally

yeah recovered i feel like there's some sort of trend in life and in the cosmos of things getting more complex. And, you know, I'm not the first person to point this out either. But with human beings in particular, everything is about technological innovation and things becoming more and more complex and information being more more accessible and being more more connected with each other it seems like a really really obvious trend and if you play that trend out you know a thousand years a hundred thousand years a million years like where where is that going and is that going on all over the universe and is that what god's doing is God all about this constant state of? Improvement that it goes on forever

Until you reach like literally like a godlike being where yeah, yeah, that's the thing With with I I had a few Kind of rapture experience like ish rapture ish I just get the feeling that if like when

if there was a rapture or whatever I just think people would go wow this was we fucking were really worried about the wrong shit for sure like beyond even This was, we fucking were really worried about the wrong shit. For sure. Like beyond even our comprehend, like beyond our, so far past what we were like, not even worried about fucking or war or any of that stuff. It's like, dude, it's just about this energy field that I couldn't make heads or tails of in terms of like we're supposed to.

Well, if you think of amoebas, if you think of single-celled organisms, they eventually become multi-celled organisms. They develop the ability to move around and they come on shore and they evolve and change. And this goes on forever and ever and ever. And then one day in 2022, they're us. That's what we are. We're the most advanced form that we're aware of of that thing. If that keeps going, maybe that is what creates the universe itself. Maybe the universe is making itself through us. We're just in this amoeba stage, and we can't even comprehend it.

To us, it's like, what are you talking about? We're going to change the world? Like imagine an amoeba being born in the bottom of a volcano silo, you know, in the bottom of the oceans. I felt like an amoeba on 5am. Yeah. Well, you basically probably are. I think we probably all are a version of that in comparison to this ultimate thing that we're going to become. If we do keep evolving, if evolution is a real thing, and it did go from single-celled organisms to what we see now in human beings, if you just keep going, that should get to some place of impossible energy and power and maybe the universe itself.

Maybe that's what it's made out of. Maybe that's how we make things like stars. Maybe the universe itself is born out of this. And we're just this really tiny stage, this amoeba-like stage that will ultimately become the God force of the universe. Maybe that's our ultimate transition between a physical being into this thing of energy and love and light and power and indifference in many ways to our own plights because it's necessary to achieve this purpose. Like all of our bullshit and maybe all of our struggles and maybe all of our debates about things and trying to figure out what's right and what's wrong and whose philosophy is correct and whose behavior is correct. Maybe

all of that is just trying to get us to that ultimate stage where we're going to be. And that's what happens everywhere in the universe. That's the universe creating itself everywhere, all over the place. When things get and they have a certain amount of troubles that they have to deal with, whether it's tribal invasions or super volcanoes and figure it out, get to a point where you can become the next thing. Yeah. And then on and on and you can become the next thing. Yeah. And then on and on and on and on and on forever. Yeah.

I mean, that's, I would, it, my, especially my, my 5MEO experience was about having no sense of order whatsoever. Meaning I was an amoeba. I didn't know what breathing was. I didn't know what direction was. I didn't know what breathing was i don't know what direction was i don't know what sight was i didn't know fucking anything yeah and i was i was drowning on i don't know any i don't know what a thought is it was really incredibly different like it's hard beyond and so that's what i've come away from. One of the things I've come away with from it with is, is this sense of like, we're just trying to order things more than anything. Like that's our number one sort of human priority. Cause it's like the best way to survive. Yeah. And I feel like we're ordering for the wrong stuff a lot of the time, but it's inevitable well we're working it out that's what we're doing the the human animals like working out in this new territory that we're dealing with with the internet and with the

connection that we have now and the the awareness that we have to our the all the potential dangers of the world and the cosmos and like we're constantly being inundated with new threats you know and the economy is collapsing the fucking global warming jesus christ and overpopulation and it's like never ends and it's constantly like getting into your mind i think that's a stressor and a test and i think the the human animal has to figure out how to navigate this world and become better at it and then as it evolves and changes and grows it's eventually gonna be normal and it's not normal for us because we grew up without

it we grew up I know internet yeah like regular like animal people there are animals yeah but I think that even the Internet's ordered for the wrong thing sort of for power it's sort of for money it's ordered ordered for it's like it's set up for facebook twitter yeah these big you know because that's kind of how market how our market capitalism works so it's just ordered for the wrong thing because there's more there's more juice and power money all that stuff than there is in really anything else and we're set up for it there definitely is a problem with these

giant companies that have massive amounts of control over discourse and they can decide what you can read and not read they can decide things or disinformation that turn out to be fact like the hunter biden laptop story that they suppressed off of twitter that's wild shit when you do that not read. They can decide things or disinformation that turn out to be fact, like the Hunter Biden laptop story that they suppressed off of Twitter. That's wild shit when you do that. That is really wild shit because you're deciding, you know better. You know what people deserve to read and not to read. You're not just disseminating information. It's the thing I'm talking about, disseminating information. It's the thing I'm talking about.

It's stability. It's like, unfortunately, the best analogy is parenting, where it's they're lying for a reason. Right, like telling you about Santa Claus. Noble lying. Yeah. So it's like... Noble lying. That's a good way of putting it.

Yeah, it's like, it's noble lying, so they felt like they got a lot of disinformation in 2016, so then in 2020 they overcompensate It's also you ever see the people that are making these decisions Like you know this project veritas is like done a lot of like undercover journalism Record these people these people are normal people of course shouldn't have that kind of power a lot of them in their 30s and shit They're telling you that's what I don't we all agree in a power shouldn't, but no one has an idea of who should. Well, Elon, look, I think banning people for using his picture as a parody and saying he likes to drink his own pee, not a good look for all this free speech, like, absolutist mentality is that there's no place where people can have these discussions and exchange these ideas without there being extreme bias for one political party and about how that's dangerous for democracy.

Yeah. I think he's right about that. I agree. Yeah, in theory. But it ends up just being a bunch of people yelling the N-word. But there's got to be a way to stop that from happening. And one way might be to make people subscribe. If you make people pay for it, you're going to get way less people that are having like fake accounts that they just use to fuck with people. But you said earlier money well spent.

Yes. But if you want to, if you verify it, like say if your Twitter account is Neil Brennan and it's tied to your passport and it's tied to your social security number and you can't use another one. Uh oh. Uh oh. Joe. Yeah. Like that's the, it's, it's a fun, it's the thing where they said the, the definition of the supreme court's definition of of pornography is i don't i know it when i see it yeah that's not a good definition guy i know it when i know yeah exactly like i know when i see it's like that's not a fucking trackable definition and that's also

it's not real yeah and that's the that that's the thing even with free speech. It's like a multi-tentacled. It's an octopus with fucking 132 tentacles. Yeah, it is. Contradictions and yeah, but, yeah, but. And you're like, yeah, I don't know the solution. Yeah, I don't think there's a clear solution. And I think that's part of the work that we have to do.

We have to work things through and figure things out. And I think that people that you can count on to tell you the truth are very important. I think more of those will emerge. And I think that'll replace these corporate control things as long as they can stay actually independent. Because that's one of the things that happens to politicians, where politicians are all about for people and then they get in there and then you got to play ball you got to play ball this is the game yeah everybody has to kind of play ball you won't you i mean in some ways it's like you wouldn't have had to do that if you were not on spotify you wouldn't have had to make those videos no i wouldn't have to talk to neil young but do you know the reason why i did that Neil Young one in particular?

Because I wanted to tell that story about how I quit my job as a security guard because of a Neil Young concert. Yeah, lifelong. That's one of those unintended consequences. But I also understand why they're scared. My fucking parents were scared too. And I encouraged them to get vaccinated. They were scared of it. And they should be.

And they should also get vaccinated. It helped them. I'm sure it helped them. And then when they got COVID, I had them treated. I took care of them. I got them vitamins and IV, IV monoclonal antibodies and all that stuff. You can, you, you know, you got them. Sure. You got them some on it stuff. Got them some on it stuff. Well, you know, they, they were concerned and everyone who's fucking 70 years old should be concerned. That's scary shit. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, the problem is that information itself is it's so hard to get a 100% answer on anything complex. On anything. Like the climate.

We had a climate guy in yesterday that says, yes, the climate's bad, but there's a lot of things that are worse. And, you know, everyone's kind of overreacting to this. We're being very myopic in our viewpoint. And we really need to look at this in terms of like there's a lot of problems that we could create a lot less death and a lot less suffering in the world. We focused on them. And there's also solutions that are being implemented that they think is going to mitigate the effects of climate change. So this conversation is like so long and so complex. And most people don't have the time to sort through it. And if you do, you don't have an expert to talk to. So then you're forced to go just try to read shit online. So what do you do? You go to MSNBC. They say, we're all going to die in 12 years. Like, okay, we're all going to die in 12 years. AOC says we're fucked. We must be fucked right and then that's your opinion And then you argue that at the pub and you fucking argue that at work when you know There's a fucking the guy with the Trump hat yeah, again. We have finite amount of time

You don't have a time I know not of resources and like do my own read I don't I who's got time for this? There are too many important things and too small amount of time. Right. And if you have kids, then cut that time in half. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

and then you have, uh, if you have family members that you're close to and you're helping them out with things and then you got friends that have problems, you have calls you have to make, you know, where's your time? Yeah. How do you have the time to go research whether or not QAnon's real?

How do you have the fucking time? Yeah, and you're also assuming that people are, it's a good faith trust in people. You know what I mean? You don't assume that the guy going to the Capitol is some fucking op. Yeah, especially if you're so silly that you're there. Going to the Capitol is some fucking op. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you're so silly that you're there.

You're so silly that you're there. How silly are you on a scale of January 6th? Here's how silly it was to storm the Capitol. Alex Jones was out there telling people Don't go inside He was out there with a bullhorn Don't go inside, it's a trap, don't go inside And they all were like And they all figured as long as there's a bunch of them

They're not going to get in trouble Meanwhile, all of them are fucked Those people are doing hard time All of them are fucked You can't do that You can't storm the fucking Capitol And bust through the doors because you think you're right. Right. And by the way, all the Republicans that think it's cool, it's like they were going to kill Ted Cruz.

They were. They just, the guy was reading it. If Ted Cruz comes around, he's done. You can't control who's in that group. Of course you can. You can have a hundred psychos amongst a hundred thousand people just takes one Just takes one one with a gun and there's people with guns And so then you also have a bunch of people that think it's no big deal that it's no big deal

It's like it's not there wasn't an inter inter action. It was no yeah, that's not a peaceful protest Peaceful protest is you stand out there you speak your mind you hold up signs up signs, you say things, but you don't fucking storm the Capitol. Because as soon as you do, okay, well now you're opening up the door to people to storm the Capitol after you stormed the Capitol. This was my argument about that fucking thing they were doing in Seattle. The zone that they had where they took over these businesses. Okay, now you did it with force. The problem is you're going to institute this beautiful utopia in the middle of Seattle and buildings you don't own that you took over through force.

So what the fuck is going to stop you from, how are you going to protect yourself from a bigger group, a more powerful group? Well, yeah, you've endorsed force. You've endorsed force. You think you've done it for the right reasons because you're a good person. Because your ideology is correct. My force is benevolent. They stole the vote.

We're going in. You can't do that.. You can't do that. Yep. You just can't do that. Yeah. But if someone was instigating them, that changes everything. That's the weird thing they're allowed to do. They're allowed to find someone, manipulate them, get them to do a crime.

It's not even a real crime. And then, like, the one about the guy was in Dallas. He was a 19-year-old kid, very gullible. Manson didn't stab anybody. Well, Manson probably did kill one person. Oh, okay, sorry, okay, but like the shit. Manson's a long one. We've been to Manson's.

We know it's another podcast. This kid was a 19 year old kid. They talked him into igniting a bomb with a cell phone. It wasn't a real bomb. They gave him the bomb. They talked him into the plant. The FBI mostly talks people into shit. But this is a wild one.

This guy's in jail forever, right? And they gave him the cell phone. He did it and they whoop, whoop. And they just closed in on him and arrested him. There was no bomb. It was a fake bomb. Yep. They completely entrapped him.

Yeah. Totally illegal. That's wild. That was most of the war on terror was that. But they made a crime. That's what's wild. Like the crime didn't exist. It's not like the guy's saying, hey, I'm going to go blow up this fucking building.

And then they swapped his bomb out for a fake one and then you know it's his plan This would be an amazing TV show that we cannot never make right well How about the other one where there was the woman who the governor of? Governor Whitmer Meg women they were gonna make it nap her yeah turned out like 13 of them were FBI informants There was like yeah, two real dummies so funny There was like yeah, it was like So funny 13 feds yeah, you ever see the fucking spider-man one where the spider-man is like pointing at Yep, yeah, that kind of shit is crazy that they can do that that that's legal but that's

The cost of freedom that's what I'm saying. It's like that's... You can't govern... I gotta get out of here. But you can't legislate. I don't know how... Who legislates against it? It's a really good question. It's a really good question. You can't give the power to the government

to decide what's real and what's not real because we know they already lie to us. Did you see that Twitter is fact- fact checking Biden now, which is hilarious. Fine. A lot of the shit he says is not true. That's great. Yep. So that shows you right there.

If the government had full control and they could just tweet whatever they wanted to and not get fact checked, which they kind of have been able to do before. If they do that and they're the ones in charge of information and they can say what can and cannot be said, they'll decide in their best interest. That's why you can't give it to people that are in power. And it's better, although it's chaotic as fuck, to give it and leave it to the people. It's better. It's better than giving it to people that are in power, because all they would have to do is institute some sort of a social credit score system, which would be easy to talk gullible people into doing.

And next thing you know, everything is tied into this in terms of what you can do and not do, what you can say and not say. And every time you say something that's out of line, you lose social credit score. Maybe you can't fly. Maybe you can't buy a house. And that's real.

And that's why you can't give them access to information because if you do, they'll limit the amount of information that stops them from implementing ideas like this. Yes. And the alternative is terrifying in a different way. It's all bad. It's all bad, but I think people are going to work it out. I'm optimistic that we're getting better at this. I think we're better at this now than we were just a few years ago.

We're better at seeing bullshit, I think, overall. But I think it's a long process because it's a long process that we've gone through in a very short period of time. The process of information distribution. It's unprecedented, dude. It was printing press and, whoa, this is crazy. And then the radio and television and now this. Straight up. Just.

Yeah. And you're just like, it's dmt basically yeah it's like a psychedelic information age yeah and we're not really totally prepared for it and we're not really qualified to manage it either or even built for it no not built for it like you know that the tribal thing of like you're only supposed to really know like 50 people. Yeah. It's like 150 people. Is it one 50? Yeah. Um, like that.

And then once Dunbar's number. Yeah. And my friend makes, my friend cat always says, it's like, yeah, once we got out of tribes, we've been kind of fucked.

We're fucked. Yeah. Cause the, because the value system, it just are the, what we're ordering for is just the wrong. We're ordering for more people, more commerce, more, more, more more more more more instead of like moderation protect the tribe this is about the right amount of people we should

have we'll respect the earth we'll respect the but it's just you just need in order it's just multiple it's a it's like a multipliers that are so far out of control yeah and we're not biologically equipped for it yeah we're biologically equipped for dealing with real threats and real problems in our life yeah and real things that are local yeah local shit yeah stuff that's actually affecting you physically yeah and instead you're just getting inundated and we're not ready for and some people are losing their fucking minds because of it. And I maintain that the people that are engaging primarily in online discussions, like online tweeting and online Facebooking, they're the people that are really losing their minds the most because it's a super unnatural way to interact with the world. world but i but ironically i see glenn see jimmy i see matt tight i see those guys as the some of the biggest uh american gladiators in that regard which is a bit of like uh how do you have the time

for all this shit but i guess that's part of their job i guess you would say part of their job is to interact with these ideas and talk to people because they they have to develop an online following on these social media platforms in order to get out their work. Yeah, it's just perverse. It's a perverse system of rewards. Yeah, I see Matt Taibbi arguing with people sometimes, and I'm like, dude, don't do it. Jimmy's constantly arguing. Oh, he loves it.

Jimmy Dore loves it, though. Yeah. Well, he's a comic, though, too. I know. He likes fucking around. He's funny. He's a unique voice because, he's a comic though too. I know. He likes fucking around. It's like, he's funny. He's a unique voice because he's actually a really funny guy. And him and Kurt Metzger together are fucking fantastic.

Metzger's one of the greats. He's so fucking funny. And when the two of them are together, it's great because they're mocking this shit, but they're also very informed. Yeah. When he's talking about bills and policies and yeah he calls everybody out the people on the left the people on the right he's calling bullshit left and right and right and left and he's doing it with funny and that's a that's a unique thing it's a new and he's also again

not full of shit he's not a liar and you trust him he might be wrong you might disagree with him but he's not gonna lie to you and that's what i'm hopeful about i'm hopeful there's more people like them that just keep emerging and that you're gonna get a sense of you know what what the fuck is really going on yeah i i also think there's something to just have in both yeah there's something to have in both you know like this not like you want real journalism right so you want people that are boots on the ground real journalists yeah people that are trained people that are going to give you and there's a So you want people that are boots on the ground, real journalists, people that are trained, people that are going to give you, and there's a lot of real journalists

that are still in a lot of these big publications. And that's what they wanted to do. They don't want to be stars on the internet. They want to go out and do real work. And that's their passion. That's a real thing, man. Just like there's fucking all sorts of crafts people out there that do all sorts of things

that people have been doing forever. Real journalism is still alive. It's just. Yeah, I'd say it's like very alive. It's just if you're controlled by corporations, if it's corporate controlled media, like you have an obligation to that corporation. And if they have a mandate and they have an agenda and you're not playing along, you're not going to find your way moving up the ladder. It's not going to be good for you. I know.

I can. What do we do? What do you do? If you're king, I know you've got to get out of here. What time is your flight? 620. Oh. Yeah, you better wrap this up.

But if you could do it, if you could be King Neil. I would get, I would form a jury. A jury? Yeah. Like the Supreme Court? Kind of. Like John Stewart form a jury. A jury? Yeah. Like the Supreme Court? Kind of. Like John Stewart's a good example, right? I remember, maybe I told him I heard this,

but at a certain point, he used to say like, I'm on after robots, I'm on after battle bots, I'm on. He would just kind of poo-p poo that he was an information source. Right. And then at a certain point, I think he realized like, fuck. All right.

This is a bit of a responsibility and I need fact checkers. There's a guy who works at the daily show named Chods. Who's like the fact checker guy. And he'll go like, actually, if you're writing a thing, we'll go like, that's not true.

That's not true. That's not true. Right. Right. And John is a, and he'll go like actually if you're writing a thing he'll go like that's not true that's not true that's not true right and John is a it's easier for us to say because we know him right like John's a good man he's a good man

you know what I mean like we know him he's a good man vibrationally in the room good man ethics morals standards etc etc and smart that's one guy for the jury you know what i mean like but you might not even agree with him of course that's the thing especially editorial i agree well that's the thing it's like and i don't know i i know that there needs to be some

sort of human jury right it's just a matter of what are the qualifications right and who gets to be on it and you know who appoints them and how long they last yes like the supreme court thing is wild it's the dumbest fucking lifetime lifetime lifetime lifetime lifetime can you do insane can you do something that gets kicked off of course ethics violations yep stuff Of course. Ethics violations, right? Stuff like that. Payola. Payola. Yeah. Yeah. Payola. Like, whatever. Just some sort of, you know, board.

I don't... And whenever people form these boards, I think they try to form one at Facebook, and I remember a lot of people like Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher kind of rolling their eyes about, like, these fucking people. It's like, this board is like... It's just a hot these are hotly contested yeah and it's going to be the grayest of gray gray gray deep gray sure it's all deep gray i don't think that's going to be the solution i think the solution the imperfect solution that we're currently wrestling with is the one is let the internet sort it out is just

let it get messy let it get messy and figure it out over time and the truth comes to light. Yeah, I just worry that people will die and institutions will perish. It's part of the process. It's part of the process. I don't disagree. It's like when you talk about climate change,

I think toward the end of our lives, I'd say, let, what's 2022. I bet in 2060, a billion people die in a decade from. From climate change. Yeah. I don't know where you pulled that number out of your house. I just, it's round. I don't think anybody thinks it's that high, but I think that.

If you look at like border, like migration, it's just going to be so much migration. And then you saw with COVID, our borders closed. Just shit where it's like, no, you can't come here. Yeah, but a border wasn't. No, no, our border wasn't. But Australia's was, China's was. Like certain countries would not allow people in, right? If there's a bunch of people in Bangladesh move and they have to get to higher land or cooler land or whatever

it's too hot yeah yeah or it's flooded yeah all there's a lot of problems and this guy uh bjorn lomberg his uh assertion is that what we need to do is take care of all these people economically and that the people that are dying in these places are people that don't have access to air conditioning don't have access to refriger conditioning, don't have access to refrigeration. And if we raise them up economically, then you could solve most of those people dying. That was the guy yesterday? And also, he was talking about tuberculosis, how many people die of tuberculosis,

and that we could fix that. It's like something like a million people a year. It's really wild. And then it's mostly poor people. And then why aren't we freaking out about that? We freak out about the things we're conveniently freaking out about. And that that's a real issue that we can solve.

Malaria kills. You ever go on like Charity Navigator and set up what the most of bang for your buck? It's all malaria. He actually talked about that. Mosquito nuts. Yeah, he actually talked about that. And he actually showed the deaths of malaria dropping down considerably because of medication, because of modern medicine. So I think his really interesting point is that there's a lot of other things that are really bad

that we should be concentrating on as well. And we're very narrow-minded in our focus on this. And it becomes the cause of the day. And everybody's like, you have to be all on board with this. And if you really want to save lives, he's like, there's a lot of other things that we could do and we can implement very quickly and easily and save lives. And we also would probably elevate people economically, which would in turn allow them to have measures in place

to protect them from environmental situations like extreme heat and drought and things like that. And he thinks a lot of it can be done with innovation. It's very complicated. It's also so much of it can be done with innovation it's very complicated it's also hotly contested so much of it as you talk about this stuff so much of it is about persuasion yeah a lot of it is like okay we want to try telling american taxpayers that we're gonna send air conditioners to bangladesh well i think the idea is you bring their economy up somehow. And if you bring their economy up, then they can afford things.

That's what he's saying. He's saying, like, there's these places that have, like, they're completely economically disenfranchised, and they're fucked, and they have no hope, and there's no options. If we created options in those places and helped, you know, were incentivized to help these people, then their way of life would improve radically. And as their way of life improves radically and

the economy improves radically, you have way less deaths. You have way less deaths from disease, way less deaths from crime, way less deaths from a lot of these things. Yeah. And then- Good point. Yeah, of course. And he was saying economically it's more feasible too. Very difficult to just, we're going to turn on your economy. Yeah, and then— Good point. Yeah, of course. And he was saying economically it's more feasible, too. It's very difficult to just—we're going to turn on your economy.

Well, no one's saying it's easy. Yeah. That's the other thing he was saying. He was like, none of these solutions are easy, but these are other things that we should be— if our concern is quality of life and raising up people's quality of life and giving them more of a chance to live, making life safer for them, making things easier for them, he's like, this is a good way to go about doing that. And in turn, it will greatly reduce the deaths. And these are preventable deaths, and we can greatly reduce those. And it's a real cause and effect thing. You could actually get to doing that. So if our main concern is loss of life we should really be concerned with that

as well that's what he's saying he's not saying at all that climate change isn't a problem yeah definitely not saying that it's not caused by man he's like i my also take on this is like it's just a shame do you know what i mean like i'm not saying like you're not i'm not hectoring and like you need joe rogan what are you drinking that's not sustainable yeah like coffee's just what i'm saying it is uh what i'm saying is like man this is a fucking shame because human life human energy is a precious great thing it's precious and we have so much of it yeah and to the fuck up the earth like this ah what a fucking shame well it's obviously short-sighted and it's obviously people that started doing things a long time ago that they didn't

give a fuck about the future or the other people that I deal with the consequences or they didn't realize it was causing those consequences yeah he was a little flippant about fracking I was like man they're like seemed to read a lot about the pollution that's caused by fracking it seems pretty bad and he was like well relatively speaking you know there was a lot of the pollution that's caused by fracking. It seems pretty bad. And he was like, well, relatively speaking. There was a lot of glass half full. So I guess I get that it's important to hear that position too. But yeah, ultimately it's a fucking shame what we've done to the environment.

It's a shame. He's also saying that a lot of the stuff that's floating in the ocean is not simply our stuff that washes the shore. He's like it's these freighter ships just dump their shit in the ocean. Just dump garbage. Yeah. It's like that's what countries have done. You know, that's how the whole, the Somali pirates. Do you know how that all got started?

No. They call themselves the People's Coast Guard of Somalia. That's what they originally started calling themselves. I like them. Go on. Coast Guard of Somalia. That's what they originally started calling themselves. I like them go on these Europeans and Russians and all these people from other countries were dumping toxic waste off their shores and it killed all their fish They were fishermen. Yeah, these people were illegally fishing in their waters They were dumping toxic waste in waters and killing their livelihood and these people like what the fuck are we gonna do?

And so that you know what next time we catch a boat that's doing that, we're going to kidnap these motherfuckers, and we're going to demand a ransom because of the damage they've done. And they did that, and it was successful. They're still like, fuck it, let's just become kidnappers. Yeah, well, no, and then they're like, well, fucking, don't worry about the environment. Let's fucking kidnap motherfuckers.

Well, they've destroyed the waters over there. They've destroyed the waters by dumping toxic waste over there. Who knows how much devastation they've caused doing that. But that's what caused them. The narrative that we always got is, oh Somali pirates, they're taking that cat stuff, which is like some crazy amphetamine, natural amphetamine, they're just jacked up on meth robbing people.

That's not what it was. Yeah, I believe it. Well, no one, Everything starts off great. They were just fishermen. They were fucked. They were forced into this life. Yeah. And if you could go over there and fix the water situation

and try to help those people, you'd have way less of that. It's like there's a lot of things that need to be done all over the world, and it's almost too much to pay attention to. You could get completely lost. You just have to, like,

kind of pick one. Yeah. It's more, you just have to major in a thing, and then focus on that. I recommend people watch your Netflix special. It'll be a nice little vacation.

It was about an hour of thinking. It's about an hour and two. An hour and two minutes, and you could have a nice little break from all was about an hour of thinking. It's about an hour and two. An hour and two minutes. Yep. And you can have a nice little break from all the existential stress. There's some existential stress in there, but there's some facts.

There's some fun. There we go. Nice artwork. The old Brennan blocks. You're goddamn right. And again, this is like, you're almost like you're doing a one-man show slash stand-up.

Yeah. It's a combination of the two. This is heavy. This is 55 minutes of stand-up and then five minutes of just like, oh, oh. I think it's a little heavy. Oh, yeah?

And super heavy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did you want, did you just have a vision creatively or is this how it started coming together? Because I'm pretty good at writing that kind of heavy shit and I talk about mental health stuff Because I'm pretty good at writing that kind of heavy shit.

And I talk about mental health stuff and people like when I talk about it. So it just seemed like a use of things I can do. Like I'm good at that and I'm good at that. So let me just kind of mix them into a... So it's not just... I would say most stand up shows are like a press conference yeah for like

an hour just like and another thing a common press conference and just like this is like a press conference and there's like a little narrative in it

okay beautiful I can't wait to watch it you're a very funny dude I always enjoyed watching you at the comedy store you're one of the few comics that I miss

like seeing your sets. Yeah, you too. It's good to be around you every now and again though. Thanks, buddy. Good to see you.

Neil Brennan, ladies and gentlemen, and check out his Netflix special. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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