The Joe Rogan Experience - #1922 - Sam and Colby

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

Sam Golbach and Colby Brock are YouTubers best known to audiences for their explorations of haunted and paranormal locations. https://www.youtube.com/@samandcolby

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day how'd you make it back so we were just doing some stupid tiktok stuff during the pandemic and we were all challenging each other to do like stupid stuff and for some reason i thought it was a great idea to try to jump off of a second-story balcony onto a beanbag. But I missed the beanbag. Missed the beanbag completely. Oh, no. Yeah.

And you broke your back? Yeah. I did it a couple times the previous week, and I was like, I got this. This is going to be fine. And then I missed the beanbag. And so I think I only fractured a couple bones there. Only a couple. But that definitely took me out for a while.

That's a real problem, though. Yeah. Is this your... Oh, jeez. Oh, please, God. It's gruesome if you actually see it. So what did you... Oh, Jesus.

So did you have to get surgery? I didn't have to get surgery, but I was in a back brace for like six months. Whoa. So that was really bad. Do you ever wonder that, like, you guys are in all these fucking haunted places. Do you ever wonder if you're carrying any of that shit around with you? Well, definitely. What was crazy is a lot of people think that the sign of something being with you is like back pain.

But now that I've broken my back, I'm like, I can't. I can't make that connection right there. That's real back pain. That's a real back pain, not a hot back pain. Yeah, not like – well, there's back pain where people just like – there's psychosomatic back pain. Like there's a guy named John – wasn't it John Sarnos? Is that his name? He had this weird theory about back pain that applied to some people, not people with actual real injuries, but some people, that it's all in your head.

It's people that are like deeply stressed out and fucked up, and it manifests itself as back pain. And somehow or another through his teaching, a lot of people, including Howard Stern. Didn't Howard Stern have a thing with his back where John Sarno's fixed it? There's a picture of him. Yeah, America's most famous back pain doctor said pain is in your head. Thousands think he's right. Well, millions think he's wrong, though. Well, then that doesn't work.

He's not right. Like, sometimes you have fucking real back pain. For sure. You've got to get that fixed. But for crazy people, for some people, like, you know, you just have something in your head, and it's like, my back. But it's really your psychology. Exactly.

You're carrying it around with you. No, speaking of carrying things around, a lot of people warn us that because we go into so many haunted places, they're like, guys, you should be careful. Aren't you worried about bringing this home or bringing this to other people? Yeah. We walked in here, obviously. It's probably just a coincidence, we walked here and immediately your curtain

fell over. A curtain has been up for two years, never had a problem, and then Jamie asked you a question, do you guys ever investigate anything that's bullshit? And you're like, yeah, definitely. And then, boom, the curtain falls. Like it's rigged.

Like they're listening. It's terrifying. That's what I'm wondering. Jamie, was that something you set up? It definitely isn't. I know Jamie. I've been here for an hour. He's 100% anti-bullshit.

Do you feel like that's possible, that you could carry something like that with you? We have a lot of people that tell us that. We don't necessarily buy into it all that much. Like there's definitely things that reoccur place to place. And it's not like, you know, the same. It's not supposed to be the same haunting or whatever. But we get the same thing that we think has been following us from multiple places.

Do we 100% buy that? I don't know. But what's really weird is when people will look you dead in the eye. And they'll be like, there is someone behind you. And I've seen them for there for like an hour. And I'm like, I can't see that. But I'm also not going to like brush that off my shoulder and saying that's like not there. So someone has said there's someone behind you, but there's no one behind you.

So who are these people that said there's someone behind you? Well, I mean, a bunch of different people. For us, we talk to a lot of people that are mediums. They do tours or ghost hunts or anything like this. Sketchy people. Maybe. A little sketchy. Potentially.

We can't see these types of things, so we've got to take other people's word for it. We're not seeing these people. That's part of the problem is there's like an incentive to sense things and feel things. I'm not anti-ghost by any stretch of the imagination. I am open-minded. But I know that there's a lot of people that like to pretend. They like to pretend they have psychic powers.

Oh, for sure. They like to pretend they know things. They like to pretend they've experienced things. I've talked to so many people that have experienced, like, UFOs. And I've talked to Bigfoot people. Yeah. They've met Bigfoot. Like, it's, there's people that pretend.

But then there's also, the thing that freaks me out about ghosts is that it's been a reoccurring theme throughout human history. And it's always, it seems to be connected to some horrific death like whenever there's a horrific death it's almost like like that horrible moment like burns space and time and leaves a residue a lot of people think that's like trauma like built into the place or like energy's there. Right. To your point, though, what's crazy about it is everybody has had experiences over time. You walk into any room and whether people believe or whether people don't, someone's got a story. Someone's like, OK, I don't know if I believe, but this one time this happened.

And so the fact that like everyone, like pretty much no matter where you go, like has some sort of story, even if they're skeptical, it makes you wonder like, what if, what else is out there? Yeah. There's been countless of times where we'll go to these spots and like, maybe we, after hearing the story, we don't think it's going to be like special at all. But the person who owns the spot is like, I levitated last week, just staring us straight in the eyes, no hesitation, like about it. And like, obviously we've never experienced something that intense with the paranormal, but having dozens of people,

like every place we go to, say that, it's like, how do you think they're online? When someone says they levitate, just say, hey, next time, set up your iPhone. Yeah. How about film yourself levitating? Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

You know, I look at them and be like, are you sure? Like, how? What kind of meds are you on while you're levitating? 100%. Have you guys ever you're levitating? Right, 100%. Have you guys ever been to the Comedy Store? No, but we were trying to. Yeah, listen, I can set that up.

The Comedy Store is, without a doubt, haunted. If there's a place that's haunted in the world, it's the Comedy Store. Because it used to be a mob nightclub, and they've murdered people there. 100%. It was Bugsy Siegel's nightclub. It was called Ciro's. And in the 1950s, was it the 50s and the 60s? Is that what it was?

Sorry, in the 40s actually. In the 40s? Yeah. But it's a famous old mob run nightclub that Mitzi Shore took over in the 1970s. So the place has this feel to it. Like it's been run, you know, as an entertainment venue for, you know, 70 years or something crazy like that. Isn't there a bunch of, like, underground passageways around here, too? There's supposedly – there was actually an article about this house on Crest Hill.

Here, Whitney Cummings sent it to me, so I'll send it to you, Jamie. But I almost bought this house in Crest Hill here Whitney Cummings sent it to me so I'll send I'll send it to you Jamie but I almost bought this house in the 1990s in the 1990s they were selling this house that the Comedy Store owned right above the club yeah that's it and that's the one that's connected to the yes there's supposedly a tunnel because that that's right above and to the left

of the comedy club and that was also owned by Bugsy Siegel stories from the comedians who inhabited Crest Hill the house above the comedy store so that house was for sale the comedy store was selling it Mitzi was going to sell it and um I but the problem is if you go back to that photo it's got like this tiny little bullshit yard. Like that's the yard. And I have a dog. I had a dog back then too. And I was like, I don't want to leave my dog in this bullshit yard. Are you ever going to find a fucking yard?

Yeah. My dog needed a yard. And also it's just too weird to be that close to the comedy store. There were so many stalkers and freaks and have people just showing up at your house. It's just right on the boulevard, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Crest Hill's right off the boulevard, but it's right there. It's a two-minute walk from Sunset.

I've heard, like, comedians like Bobby Lee in the past say that they've had issues there. Like, people won't even work with them just based on the fact that he's worked there for so long. Really? Obviously, I don't know, like, too much about that, but he's talked about that in other podcasts and stuff. That's haunted? Yeah, where he says it's very haunted. People don't want to work with him because he works there. Really?

It's like everybody that works there is... That might be an excuse for why they don't want to work with Bobby. That could be it. Bobby, it might be you. I've never heard anybody say that before. I can't work with you because you work at that haunted place. Yeah, yeah. They just don't want to anybody say that before. I can't work with you because you work at that haunted place. Yeah, yeah. They just don't want to be like around that stuff. Well, there are 100% are people that have stories, including multiple comedians, multiple managers of the place, waitresses at the place.

There's a lot of people that had stories of like seeing weird things and meeting people that weren't there. Have you ever had an experience like that? No, I tried. I went down in the basement one day by myself. Yeah. I walked into the main room by myself. Carl LeBeau, who recently passed away, Carl had the weirdest story. He got kicked out of his house.

He got in a fight with his wife, and he got kicked out of his house, and he went to the comedy store and decided decided he was gonna sleep on the stage in the main room and he's like man you know i'm gonna fucking make it i'm gonna i'm sleeping on this stage she's gonna kick me out of the house but one day i'll fucking show you and so like he's drunk and he lays down on the stage and then he hears a door shut and the comedy store main room is uh pitch black right so this is what it looks like. But that's only when the lights are on. So he's laying down and he hears a door shut.

And he goes, hey, it's Carl. It's me, Carl. Who is that? And then he doesn't hear shit. And then he hears chairs moving. He hears like clink, clink, clink, clink. And he's sitting there. He's going, what the fuck is going on on and something grabs his ankle and pulls him off the

stage and onto the floor and then he hears chairs moving again and BAM the door shuts and slams and nothing else there's no one in the room he has no idea what the fuck happened but he told that story on stage one night it's like he set the tone it's like spooky lighting and it was really cool wait so he got pulled by his ankle off of the stage off the stage yeah something grabbed him he didn't see anyone he could but something grabbed his ankle and pulled him off the stage and onto the floor that's when you want security footage you know where's the cameras at there's no cameras in that place.

Maybe there is now, but they definitely wasn't back then. So you guys started out, you weren't exploring haunted things. You just started out like doing, it was like abandoned things. Yeah. Yeah, we've had a long run at this. I think we've been doing YouTube for like 10 years. It's been a long time. It was abandoned, and then before that that it was like the trendy stuff. And then even before that we started in public disturbance,

like just pranks and stuff. So you started when you were in high school? Yeah. I was 16, like one month turning 17. So basically 17, we started. And just for fun, just for fun. I mean, like, so a lot of it was also um because we wanted like we had a plan to become famous at the time because that's like 17 year olds it's a whole long story to it um but like as 17 year olds like we we just really wanted to do that it was like a goal of ours because we had just like become like really really good friends at the time and um after like learning how to be confident we were very shy kids in high school um and learning how to be confident together which again we can kids in high school, um, and learning how to be confident together, which again, we can get into that story if you'd like, but, um, how did you learn how to be confident?

We're both originally from Kansas, um, Overland Park, Kansas. We met in band camp, uh, when we were 14 years old. That's where this story starts. And you know, that's like a horrible story when you started off like that. Um, but it was so bad to the point, like we were just like super socially awkward and very anxious people. Like a lot of people. 100%. But like I had like it was so bad to the point where I had to like carry around these like Tums, the anti-acid pills to just like honestly pop before each time I would go into like a new classroom.

And just in case I got called on, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't freaking out internally. Just in case I got called on, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't freaking out internally. And so we bonded in band camp because we were both these, like, shy kids. I didn't know how to talk to anybody. What did you play in band camp? Well, we did, we both did saxophone. I played marching band clarinet. Yeah. And it was, like, something that our parents, like, made us do as well.

And so together you decided you were going to figure out how to be confident. Yeah. Well, we were like, okay, both of us are sitting there awkwardly being like, okay, I like that girl. You like that girl. We both can't talk to her. So how do we fix this problem? And that was the epitome of our friendship. That's very analytical.

Yeah, yeah. Especially for being – because at that time we were 15. This was like before social media and stuff. And so we just decided one day we were like, why is Billy over there? Why can he talk like to the hottest girls in the grade? And we're over here like crying in front of people like trying to talk and stuff. It's not fair. Well, there is an important lesson there.

And it's a lesson of honesty. Because some people want to pretend that they don't feel that way. And if you pretend you don't feel that way, but you really do, you're never going to fix it. So if you try to play cool, then you're just like setting yourself up and you're in a trap because now you have to admit somehow down the line that you were full shit back then facing the problem instead of facing the problem at 15 going hey why can't we talk to people what do we do like let's work this out yeah and so what were the steps you took to work it out well there was your soul of the devil pretty much actually i mean it ended up getting to that point Like, let's work this out. Yeah. And so what were the steps you took to work it out?

Sell your soul to the devil? Pretty much, actually. I mean, it ended up getting to that point. And so here we are sitting right here. No, it was really, like, different. I mean, there wasn't that many things to do in Kansas besides exploring abandoned places and then going to the mall. So we decided, okay, what's going to help us with confidence? Let's go to the mall. And Colby and I would literally, like, have my dad, like like this was before I had a car. So my dad would drop us off

at the mall and I told him, come pick us up at close. And me and Colby would go back and forth and give each other challenges. We're like, all right, I'm going to tell you to go do this really horribly embarrassing thing out in front of other people. And you either do it or you do a hundred pushups. And then he'd say yes or no and I was like okay and then vice versa and we go back and forth and basically the goal is just to put ourselves out of our comfort zone as much as humanly possible and again I think the only reason we were able to like make this work is because we had like a brand new friendship and so there was part of me that I was like I can't let this guy think I can't do this you

know what I mean and vice versa and so, like we were just looking up YouTube videos, like honestly, like as embarrassing as it sounds, like how to pick up girls, how to talk to people, like how to be more social and stuff like that. And then we'd take the things that we learned and then we'd go to the mall and throw ourselves in like the most uncomfortable situations just to like get out of our comfort zone and like really take chances and like grow as people. That's actually very smart. That's the way to do it because people are terrified of those interactions with people

that make you uncomfortable. But if you just like seek them out over and over again, you eventually get comfortable being uncomfortable. Get used to it. It's really smart. Yeah. Seeking failure and stuff like that. Like if you are comfortable with failure, then you can do anything because then you

just keep failing, keep failing, keep failing until one day you succeed. The problem with failure is a lot of times people let it define them. Like they think of themselves as a failure because of not succeeding. Instead of thinking yourself as a human being who's learning and growing, you think of yourself like, oh, my God, I'm the guy who dropped the ball. I'm the guy who crashed the car. I'm the guy who did these things. I'm, you know, you think of yourself like, oh my God, I'm the guy who dropped the ball. Yeah. I'm the guy who crashed the car. I'm the guy who did these things. I'm the, you know, you think of yourself as a failure. I'm the guy who flunked out of school.

I'm the guy who, you know, the girl broke up with me. You start thinking of yourself as like a person who fails. You don't think of failure as like, like if you're playing a game and you're learning a game, what you're doing is you're trying to figure out how to be successful. But you're still you, right? You're still the same thing. But when you fail enough times, it stains your brain and hurts your feelings so much that you can self-define. And then you put parameters and boundaries up and you define yourself as a failure.

That's what's really dangerous for people. That's why you got to get back on the horse. That's why people say you fall off the horse, get back on the horse. You got to – which is terrible advice, by the way. You fall off a horse, you might fucking die. You might break your back a little. Yeah, you can break your back. But that's good that you guys decided to do that

because that's a really clever way to deal with the inevitable awkwardness that everybody has when they're young. Especially in high school and especially being in Kansas. Yeah. We were in the suburbs of Kansas City, so we weren't in total cornfield type thing. But we definitely were probably two minutes away like farmland and things like that. So like Sam was saying, all there was to do out in Kansas were go to the mall on the weekends or we had like a bunch of abandoned places as well. So that's like how that ties into later in life, getting into that. Luckily, you guys had YouTube. Imagine growing up there in the 70s with no YouTube.

Right, right. You don't get exposed to the rest of the world. You have to travel somewhere to find different cultures and different ways that people communicate and just different life experiences. Exactly. I mean, where we grew up was definitely like a bubble. Like us starting to travel was like the best thing ever for our personality and like our understanding of the world. Like getting out of Kansas was like, ah, you have to. I talk for a living, but when I was younger, I was very awkward. And I really had a hard time talking to people, to the point where I'd get anxiety if I had to go to the bank

because I knew that I had to go to the bank teller and I knew I had to talk to the teller. And I can remember going, what am I fucking scared of? Why does this bother me so much? But I was just scared to just talk to someone who was in a position of power or someone who's in a position of authority or someone who's a position of authority. It's weird now. Can I think about it?

Because I'm so comfortable talking to people. What's weird is I think so many people think that everyone cares. But spotlight effect, you are living your world. Everyone's living their own world. And so they think everything's about them. Everyone's looking at them. But in reality, everyone's focusing on themselves. Everyone's focusing on their own self.

People do care if you're weird. Like if you're weirded out and you weird them out, you're like, oh my God, this guy's freaking out. He can't even talk. But if you're okay, they're okay. It's like people feed off of other people's energy. And it's also those situations where they might think you're like weird in the moment. But first of all, why would you want to be friends with that sort of person anyways if you just don't match up? And then secondly, like you just don't think about it anymore.

Like, if you were to see somebody do something embarrassing or weird, it's not like you think about somebody else doing that all the time. It's like you take account of it and then move on. But in your own head, you're, like, your biggest critique. You might think about that every single day. As you're going to sleep, like, a hundred times. Right, and people forgot about it, and you carry it around with you forever. And that kills it.

Yeah, it does. It really fucked. It really fucks young people up. Like you could go the wrong way at an early age and have some bad experiences and those will define you for the rest of your life. You'll be 35 years old thinking about something that went wrong when you were 16 and that's really common. Yeah.

So, so you guys start out, you're doing these videos where you're just checking out abandoned places. And like, what was the motive? Like, you'd wanted to be famous and you're like, well, we'll start making YouTube videos. And then like, so how does this get going? Yeah. Okay. So like backing up just a little bit, like after we learned how to be confident, like we probably went to the mall, like when we were 15 for like an entire year. So it's like a year boot camp?

It was literally like a year boot camp. Social boot camp. And we knew we were going to be like best friends because this was like when we truly bonded. Like nobody in high school would be down to like go to the mall and be like, hey, you want to go talk to random people? Practice social skills? What are you doing? Even like our family like at some points were like, what? Like I don't understand this.

you're doing even like our family like at some points we're like what like i don't understand this but once we learned how to become confident we felt like and especially being 16 like we felt like on top of the world like we could do anything we wanted to and so being a 16 mindset uh 16 year old mindset and like having like the social status of us being like the band kids and just always wanted to like fit in and be popular we were just like well why don't we you know if you yolo you only live once as cheesy as that is it's like why don't we try to become famous in real life and so we started with vine we started with vine actually the six second videos for for a while until it died and then ended up transitioning over to you remember vine i do remember vine didn't elon musk talk about doesn't like twitter own vine yeah they talked about bringing it back, but I don't think they've worked on it in 10 years.

So it's 10 year old technology. Yeah. And TikTok took over. It's all TikTok now. TikTok's way better now. It's Chinese spyware. Literally. They're literally like getting your fucking passwords and your location 24 seven.

It's terrifying what they can do. It's weird. It's weird that everybody's just like, whatever. Because it's so addicting. They're like, I can't give the stuff out of my day to day life. It's hugely. It's weird that everybody's just like, whatever. Because it's so addicting. They're like, I can't give this stuff up in my day-to-day life. It's hugely addicting. So you guys start out with these vines, and what were the vines about? So the vines were basically what we were doing as, like, our experiments and challenges that we were doing, like, the last year.

So it was all public pranks and disturbances. Like, we would get on top of, like, the food court lunch tables and do, like, a lightsaber battle. Or, like, we'd get together and do, food court lunch tables and do a lightsaber battle. Or we'd get together and do a flash mob. But then, sadly, we got kicked out of the mall. You got banned from the mall. You got banned from your training ground. It was really sad.

You got banned from the mall? We can't even come back now. Really? We're now 26 and we are still banned from the mall. We keep coming back and they're like, get out of here. Really? You're banned for life? We took, you know how like every single mall has like a seating area like every once in a while or whatever?

Or like the dads like sit on there for a while. We ended up like taking one of these couches and like putting it on an escalator and just like riding it up. And then just we put it back down and that's it. And we were just in for a really quick video. And yeah, they just thought we were, like, stealing the couch, and so they sent us, like, super serious emails, like,

you can never come back. Sign this. Ever. Ever. Well, this was, like, the 18th straw after, like, flash mobs and, you know, singing in the courtrooms and stuff like that. Like, they're like, all right, you guys just got to get out of here. We're done with your shenanigans.

Yeah. Well, it served its purpose. Yeah. It did. It did. And so we were like, okay, well, now we can't go to the mall. What's the natural next step? And it's like we were about to graduate high school.

And so we heard about all the people out in L.A., all the collaborators. And I don't know if you remember, but there is this like massive apartment building with all the Viners that were all collabing together. And we're like, maybe we should go out to L.A. So we took a trip out there just for like a week and said, okay, is this the spot to go? And we got back and we asked our parents like, hey, can we just not go to college and pursue this thing full time?

And they were like, well, like why? Like, no, why don't you do this? But then, you know, after talking with them, they're like, okay, main thing, we want you guys to be okay in the financial world or whatever. So as long as you can prove to us that you can make money. They set a goal of like, I think it was like $20,000. If you guys can make 20 grand before you graduate, you can move out and skip a year of college. And we're like, all right, let's hit the ground running.

And we just played like the whole like, we're doing a gap year sort of thing on them. We were just like, listen, mom, if I fail, like I'll go to KU next year. Like already accepted. So let's just try it or whatever. And plus like they had seen this whole journey. They saw like our friendship. They saw that we had like something going on with like the way we were thinking about stuff. And so I think they were just like, we can't really control them.

Again, a mom just wants you to be financially secure. And so like as soon as we were able to prove that, they didn't care. So this was you guys were still in high school. Still in high school. And how many followers did you have on social media? 300K. Yeah, maybe like 300,000. 300,000 is real.

That's a real number. Yeah. So you were getting some traction. It was, like, on the cusp of, like, you know, L.A. rent is a lot. And so like when we were thinking about it, $3,000, $5,000 to survive out in L.A. per month, we're like, I don't know if we can actually make that on Vine. What do you make on Vine? How did you make money at all on Vine? Nothing.

Vine didn't have a monetization platform. So it was like so difficult to make money. And so we do things like live streaming or every once in a while We get brand deals, but a lot of the our income came from touring So we didn't really have a onstage talent so but we knew like that was where the money was and so we're like, all right Let's get one get our names out there by going on tour and to make some money to be able to move out to LA And so we'd host shows we'd be like the MC and like in between acts, we'd come out,

like, you know, say a stupid story and then like introduce the next act. Like what kind of shows? Um, social media shows where it's just like, like most talent there were like singers. Um,

but it was honestly just like a meet and greet for guys. Like, to be honest, like a bunch of girls would come to literally the first one ever was called Madcon. And it's just like, all these girls will just come and like meet their favorite YouTubers, meet their favorite Viners, whatever. So we'd host that. These YouTubers and Viners would just whatever they did, whether they played guitar or something.

They did something so they could do it publicly. But people were just there to see them because they were the person from YouTube. Pretty much. Yeah. And meet them and take pictures and stuff like that. Right. And so you guys did that for money for a while. Yeah.

Luckily, that ended up working out. We didn't get our entire goal, but our family was like, all right, you guys are making money. Why not? So three days after our high school graduation, we took the road out to Los Angeles without a plan. We didn't know where we were going to stay. We didn't have an apartment. We had one friend out there. That's it. and we're just like, let's make this happen.

However possible, we're going to make it happen. Did you find the Vine apartment building? We ended up- The next year we did. Yeah. We ended up living there like the next year, but it took a long time because that one was one of the most expensive, expensive apartment buildings in Hollywood. So we spent a year like saving up. Like we were like the most stingy people ever. Like our friends would want to go out for pizza and we would eat before and we're like, yeah, we're down to go out, but we'll just sit there with our cup of water because we want to save the 20 bucks. All of our furniture was from the dumpster. Like we just throw like covers over everything and just like, we were just living very, very like we can't spend

any money whatsoever. We only had one car out there. So it was just grind mode. As soon as we got out there, like the difference between like us and a lot of social media kids that do try to make the journey to L.A. is we knew we had to like prove ourselves and we knew we had like a year tops. And so we were doing everything we could to be like entrepreneurs and start like side businesses and stuff like that, come out with merch, like just anything we could do to generate revenue. So it starts out with you start doing these Vines

and then you move to YouTube. And was it immediately the abandoned building thing or did you do other stuff? We did YouTube, like trendy stuff, like challenges or whatever. Which we hated. The question and answer stuff, which we hated, yeah, for like two or three years.

It was actually when Vine died that we realized, oh no like we need to figure something out like how many subscribers or followers did you have before it died uh on vine yeah 1.7 million oh it's happening yeah it started again getting there getting there but no money no monetization so we were like we have to move this over to youtube so we can set up adsense and stuff but the difference between a six-second video and a 10-minute long video is a whole different audience. Well, how about what you're doing now? Exactly.

I mean, you guys are doing, like, little mini documentaries now. Exactly. So, yeah, the fact that we started on six-second videos and now we do, like, 60-minute long videos is very different. It's kind of funny. It's so weird. Yeah, but it seems natural. Like, when you guys do it, it seems natural. I told you my daughter's obsessed with you, and that's how I found out about it.

She forced me to watch these videos. Forced. Well, she did. She's like, you've got to see it. You've got to see it. She loves ghosts. She's like fascinated by like horror movies and ghosts, which is – I wonder if it's genetic. I was into that.

Is that right? I was into that in a huge – I mean, you see the American War Wolf of London out there. I mean, it's always been into horror movies and shit. I'm like, is this like – did I like get it in her genes somehow or another? Because she's also an artist too, which I used to do when I was younger. How old is she? She's 12. Okay, gotcha.

So she tells me about it and then she makes me watch a bunch of the videos. And I'm like, how do these guys get started? Like, how does this happen where you get to the point where now you're ghost investigators? What's crazy is, like, we never envisioned ourselves to do that. Like, we had a really, like, deep-seated interest in, like, the abandoned. And, like, you know, that was the only thing to do in Kansas. So we, like, spent most of our friendship in high school exploring abandoned places or creepy buildings or haunted houses. And so were you in these abandoned buildings, were you, like, going over the over the history of this place like this used to be a factory or this used to be

a school or back in the abandoned days it was different um again we were trying to find ourselves on youtube and so the best thing for us was just to be like genuinely excited about something because we'd be doing these couch videos doing these challenges and just hating what we were filming um and so just capturing like, so a lot of like what was already existing on YouTube at that time with Abandon was like more documentary style where people would like start their video inside the place and then just have like a very slow paced, like this is what it's all about.

And then goodbye. But what Sam and I wanted to do was like film the adrenaline side of it. Like film us running up to the place, hiding from the guards, like, hiding from police. We don't break into these places. We don't, like, vandalize anything, but, like, sneak again. Like, all, like, the adventure part of it. So we were, yeah, more adventure, less, like, history of it. Yeah.

When we started. Did you guys get in trouble for any of these? I mean, a lot. Well, and even in Kansas, like, when we we first started what we realized is you know being young looking kids that are doing this and like we kind of got better and better at it like we figured out okay we can talk our way out of the cops like every once in a while and that definitely happened and i think at that point we were just like we find it so much more interesting to have that like sort of fear of we will get caught because no one else is doing that. Imagine seeing someone actually putting crime online.

Minor crime. Minor crime. Trust people. Trust passing, for sure. A little bit of trust passing. Exactly. But we got arrested eventually. Did you?

Yeah. Where'd you guys get arrested? Tampa, Florida. Oh, boy. Which is our first mistake. Did you get thrown into the hooch? Like into the lockdown with everybody um i did for 24 hours sam didn't because this is so you got locked in for 24 hours uh like a little

less than that probably like 20 hours or so but i had to stay overnight in the jail while sam was able to like bail himself out but pretty much we did a lot of like you know we did a lot of trespassing but trespassing is not is usually like a fine like you know, we did a lot of trespassing, but trespassing is not, is usually like a fine, like, you know, 75 bucks or something like that, depending on the state. Uh, but sadly, this particular location was under construction and apparently construction properties are government properties in Florida. And so they charged us with a felony, a felony. And it was really strange because when we got arrested, there was like eight cops that showed up to the scene with dogs and everything. That's why we got out of the place, by the way.

And the deputies were super nice to us. It was the sheriff that was like, oh, these are YouTubers. We have to make an example out of them. And I had two fake IDs from when I was 20 trying to get into the bars, like still stuck in my wallet. Super stupid. Like no reason for that at all. Just a dumb move. two fake IDs from when I was 20 trying to get into the bars, like still stuck in my wallet, super stupid, like no reason for that at all, just a dumb move. And so I had three felonies. And it made me like not able to be able to bail myself out.

They cap it at like 5,000. And each felony is 2,000 bail. And so I had 6,000. So I had to wait for Sam to bail himself out so he could bail me out. So I got taken back,000. So I had to wait for Sam to bail himself out so he could bail me out. So I got taken back. Felonies. So how did it play out? Did it get dropped?

I ended up bailing myself out. So I think I was only in there for like seven, eight hours. And then I went to go work on his bail outside. But you had a horrible time. I had a great time in jail. Did you have fun? It was sick. Really?

I wasn't expecting it to be, like, a good experience. But, yeah, it's funny because, like, we arrive and, oh, my gosh, all, like, our viewers and stuff make fun of us for this. But that day, like, I decided randomly just to, like, rock, like, a Justin Bieber, like, merch shirt. And so I'm, like, coming in here looking like a teeny bop, like, emo kid, like a Justin Bieber shirt, like, piercings and stuff like that. And, like, everybody's just, like, turning their heads. And I'm like, oh here looking like a teeny bop, like emo kid, like a Justin Bieber shirt, like piercings and stuff like that. And like everybody's just like turning their heads. And I'm like, oh, this is when I die. Like I'm going to die here. But they took out like all my piercings and stuff like that.

Said goodbye to Sam. Like we were in like a big waiting room. And so when they brought me to the back, the first night was, I only stayed there for one night, but like that night was super scary. But for the rest of the time, like long story short, like I got moved to another pod, like a felon pod because I had three under my name. And I asked the deputy, he was super nice and he could like see that I was like uncomfortable being there, of course. And I was just like, what should I do? And he said, dude, honestly, I would just go grab a book, go to your cell and just like lay low. Sam's going to bail you out very soon. I said, OK, that sounds like a plan. So I didn't talk to anybody. I was trying to like mean mug and like be like serious the entire time, grabbed a

book, went to like my cell and just stayed in there. And then like 20 minutes later, I'm like reading my book. I hear the door start to jiggle. Um, and I'm like, okay, this is when I die. I'm about to meet my cellmate. He comes in like super scary looking guy. I'm like freaked out at first, but he just turned out to be the nicest guy ever. He was like, what are you in for? He's like, this is what I'm doing. He asked about YouTube and

told him why we do what we do and all that stuff. He's like, I'm in for murder. I killed my wife. What was he in for? He said it was like, it was something with like drug smuggling cocaine somewhere. Oh, Jesus. It was something like that. Real crime. And I was like, I trespassed.

I trespassed for you too? Yeah, it's like, that's why I didn't want to like say anything about it. I was like, these guys are going to think I'm like the biggest pussy in the world type thing. Oh my God. That's probably better though. That way they, you know, they don't think you're a threat. Oh, for sure.

For sure. Yeah. But we had a conversation for way they don't think you're a threat. Oh, for sure. For sure. But we had a conversation for literally like an hour and shot the shit. And he broke down each other's walls and stuff. And he was becoming like a friend, actually. And then he was like, well, I'm going to go back out to the pod because there's like a main area where everybody can hang out where there's like basketball and places you can watch TV and stuff like that. And I was like, okay, I'm probably just going to chill here. And he was like, no, no, you should really come with me. Like I have a lot of friends in here. I've been in here for like a few months. And so I was like, all right, okay, why not? And so this guy, I just took a chance with this situation, but this guy like took me

under his wing, like introduced me to like all of his friends and in jail and we played like basketball and literally like they were all asking about like youtube and all that stuff and then sam bailed me out like three hours later did you stay in touch with him at all no no i told him to dm me um afterwards but of course like just couldn't find it i mean i don't even know how long he was because we were in jail not like prison. So he was still awaiting his trial because he couldn't even like bail himself out. So who knows if he even got even more time. Like, I don't

even know. It sounds like it. Probably. If he's selling cocaine. Yeah, or like carrying large amounts. I don't even know. But yeah, haven't heard from him. Absolutely crazy though, is that morning, like we had no idea. We're like, alright, this is just a casual day. We always do these like abandoned videos and then we'll just work on editing them or whatever. Anyway, I walk out.

I don't have my phone because they take all that stuff. And our buddy, who was going to help us drive us home or whatever, he comes in. He's like, do you know what's going on? We're like, no. He's like, for the past, like, 12 hours hours you guys have been number one worldwide trending free Sam and Colby you guys are everywhere huge yeah I'm walking out like he's sorry to interrupt but like the deputy's bringing me out being like Sam finally bailed you out he was like but what's your name by the way and I was like uh Cole Brock and he was just like I've had thousands of girls

call this jail to try to bail you out I was was like, wait, what? And then as I'm leaving, there's fans outside. It's like a meet and greet, like outside, like fans waiting for me. How many fans? It was like three or four. So it wasn't like a huge thing, but like it was people that figured out like where the jail was itself and all that. A lot of people were calling, but it was so interesting because we never would have thought that that was going to be the big start.

But from that night and getting arrested, it completely blew up and changed our career. It was so weird. And in terms of numbers, just so you know, like we were getting on the abandoned videos like a little less than a million. So like 700, 800K, which we were very happy with. But after we got arrested, we knew we couldn't do like the illegal stuff anymore. And so while during the abandoned stuff anymore and so um while during the abandoned days and we can get to the story in a second but like we went to the queen mary and had our first haunted experience ever and so it just made sense to us that like well

this is a legal thing we could just do at hotels and stuff why not just do like the haunted haunted instead how much do the numbers change up to like like 2 million. 3 to 4 million like the first one, and then they just kept growing from there. So millions after. So tell me about the Queen Mary. That's the beginning for you guys. That's the number one origin. You went there to do what? So what was really interesting is we did a lot of the abandoned stuff,

but every once in a while we would do like a haunted thing because those creepy stories and the lore of everything is really interesting whether or not you believe it or not at that time we didn't really believe any of the ghost stuff we're like all right but this is gonna be a great video because everyone was telling the stories um but we just got i don't know what it was but someone forwarded us something saying that for the first time in 30 years the queen mary in long beach which is like one of the most haunted ships, like New York Times, like top 10 most haunted places in the world. We filmed Fear Factor there once.

Really? Yeah. That's great. It's a beautiful ship. They do a comedy show there sometimes. No way. Didn't know that. Yeah, for a while they had a regular comedy night there on the Queen Mary.

Yeah, I didn't realize how like famous it was, but they have that. They have like haunted houses. They have a ton of different attractions there. But there's this one room, B340, that hadn't been open for 30 years, and allegedly they closed it down because there's multiple unexplained murders and or suicides in that room.

And we're like, whoa, like, you know, if this is the first week this is open after 30 years, this is going to be an amazing story to tell or, you know, video film. And so we went in there trying to make something or like trying to get something. We obviously didn't really believe in that much. So we were like, all right, let's just see if it happens. If there's going to be a haunted location, it will be this. We toured around, did the whole thing, weren't getting much.

And we were kind of frustrated at that point because we're like, all right, this is supposed to be the cream of the crop this is supposed to be the big big wig like why can't we get something to happen and so it was four o'clock in the morning at this time we've been trying for hours of just sitting in circles like asking out and we didn't have any equipment at this time this is like the first place we ever went to so we were just like meandering like the hallways being like is anything here yeah like just trying to get something to happen on camera and nothing was happening and so we're like fine i guess let's do this let's just like leave like it's fun to tell the story let's just leave uh and so we turn off the camera start packing up we walk like start walking towards the door and as soon as we turn like actually we're about to like get out of the room the faucet turns on like full blast for four seconds and then turns back off and we all like

actually like you know freeze and freak out two of our roommates that were there at the time like just immediately started like crying we were like we ran in we're like okay how was that actually possible at all maybe that's a sign of like it doesn't want to be filmed and it doesn't want us to leave so maybe let's just not not film this and try one more time just for the just for the heck of it and so that's what we did but this time it worked and to like the weirdest extent we just like put put away all of our cameras we sat in the most serious tone saying like okay guys like before this didn't really believe so like if this is happening let's let's have something happen and so we all sit in the dark together and we start calling out questions and we're like okay like is there anybody here we hear a knock and so we're like okay maybe that's something very

faint though it was like a tap like a tap and so okay let's just run with that can you tap more than once and there was like three taps like Like, okay, this is really weird. Like, can we start asking questions? And how loud are you saying this? Like, is it possible that someone could have heard you from another room? That's what we thought. So going, like, we were talking probably like this, but then there was times where we talked like really quiet.

And like, we tested everything. But so what we did is we decided let's ask questions using these taps. So we said tap once for yes, tap anything more than once for no. We had a yes or no conversation for 35 minutes with something that we cannot explain. And we did everything because we were skeptical at this point. Did you film any of this? We didn't think so. But apparently one of our friends, he's like super religious, was like, Hey, no matter what the entire night he was keeping an audio recording. We had no idea.

We had no idea that he was doing that. So nobody talked about it. So if there was something there, no, it didn't know either. Yeah. We had no idea. He had pulled that out.

Like we genuinely were like, okay, no one's filmed. We even say in this audio recording, like no one's filming. There's no bullshit. Like everyone, please like be serious about about this and so we had this conversation back and forth and we try to trick it you know like we would ask questions in different manners like

okay is there more than one of you yes and then we'd say are you alone and it would say no back and forth trying to get this thing and this the story kept straight the entire time and we were like okay come on there could be someone like screwing with us this is like on you know the news of being like haunted place like what's going on well what was crazy about it too is all the knocks they weren't just coming from one one section that would make sense if like maybe something outside was like tapping these knocks would be like below us and then above us to our sides some would be louder than other ones we went out to the hallway a couple times and we realized that we were like the last room um besides like this

like utility room to our left um and obviously we had like basically that whole like floor to ourselves um as well since it was super late um yeah and then like sometime in the middle we were like like okay like let's like ask a question under our breath. Yeah. Like, okay. Like, this thing does not want us to leave. And at that moment, the entire floor shook. Boom.

Like, we were all like, oh, my God, what was that? You could feel the vibration in your feet. Crashing on the ship or something. It was huge. And so we're like, okay, so this thing doesn't want us to leave. And maybe we should just, like, ask questions under our breath for the rest of the time, just so we know it's not some employee. It's not someone like screwing with us the entire time. So fast, fast, fast forward to the very end. We were like, okay, we've had a bunch of conversations

at this point. We really believe if this is truly something, I want to know something about something deeper than just yes or no questions or or just like something silly of like how many people are here so I decided let's ask about religion and I ask out is there a heaven and it knocks three times meaning no and at that point our two religious friends that were there like immediately jumped up and said we have to leave right now we had no idea why why what's going on like i'll tell you in the car like do like just don't look back let's go let's leave and so we walked out we left we got all the way to the car without anyone saying anything and as soon as we got in the car we're like what's going on like why do we have to leave he's like well in the christian religion the anything like demonic or evil is supposed to like basically disprove that there is a heaven

in order you know and so what they're saying is like we don't think this is some like spirit or something paranormal there we think it was something that was trying to lead you away from heaven or christianity territory type thing but that also just depends on what you believe in obviously like our roommates were very, very Christian, very religious. And so when they heard the knocks saying no, they thought it was just kind of, like, a sign from, like, a demon to, like, steer us away from God. Saying, like, this does not exist. And so they, without question, ran before we could even. Like, we kind of were wanting to stay there to ask more things.

It was really interesting. Because this is your first experience first anything paranormal well first very believable one there has been plenty of times where we hear things or like you know things are scary in like the abandoned places but they're also decrepit old places that freak and stuff yeah old dark places make you freak out. Exactly. This is the first conversation, we should say, that we've had. So up until that point, did you believe in ghosts before? And what is the feeling like when you have to sort of process the end of that day? So that was a monumental change in not only our career, but also at least my thought process in life. Because, yes, I had the idea that

maybe something else, something else is out there. Like I'd grown up a Christian. But at that time, we'd gone to so many scary places, we'd, you know, tackled a bunch of like life questions, philosophical questions throughout our time together. And we're like, okay, like after asking about it, like for me, I was like losing like faith and something else. I was like, okay, like after asking about it, like for me, I was like losing like faith in something else. I was like, okay, maybe, maybe we're just the only things out here. And after that moment, I had like a full on like breakdown the next day. Like I like, I was like, everything that I had thought was not real now becomes real. And I had like pretty much lost any, any sort of like faith at that point. But there is even a video of me online, like sitting on my bedroom floor,

like crying to camera saying, I truly didn't believe. And now this instance opens up this whole world. Like maybe I don't immediately believe 100%, but the question of if there's something else out there is now back in my brain and I want to chase that. And so after the whole arrest and going to the haunted stuff,

that was like, it wasn't necessarily we were like a thousand percent believers the second we like had this experience. But it was so intriguing because it was one of those things that we couldn't explain. We told this story so many times. And the audio of this actually happening, the knocks is online. So many people don't believe it because they weren't there. And we wouldn't believe it if we weren't there. And so we understand that people don't believe us when we talk about these things however just the idea that it could be real and the idea that could happen again is what's so intriguing and is why we got

into it we're like okay if we can just keep doing this and keep getting more and more proof like that feeling of hope of like okay there is something else out there and it is not just okay we're just going to live and die here on the planet. It's so special. No matter what you believe in, no matter what religion you have. It's like, we realized that that experience for us, it taught us that there is something else. It's more spiritual than anything. Um, and we wanted to spread that message as well to as many people as possible. Um, again, no matter what they believed in, but your roommates thought it was demonic.. Again, no matter what they believed in.

But your roommates thought it was demonic. They were, they took like the Christian route. And that's, again, that's up to whoever is viewing this or experiencing it themselves. But yeah, they took it very religiously. How did you feel? Did you feel like it was a demon or did you feel like it was a ghost or dead people? What did you think it was? I don't know.

At the time, I definitely thought it was a demon because these two guys are yelling at me. They're saying, dude, this is 100% without a shadow of a doubt a demon. And I'm like, well, I don't know exactly what I believe in. This is already rattling my brain right now. But it was scary. And what was scarier is trying to go back into it and repeating the process because we didn't know what we were messing with.

If it was a demon, like, hell, maybe if it is all real, are we just screwing ourselves over by like going and. Right. Are you inviting that thing into your life? How many times did you guys go to the queen Mary? Three, four times. Yeah. Three or four times.

So you went back after that? We did. Did you leave the roommates at home? At that point? Yeah. We did. We did. Like our leave the roommates at home? At that point, yeah. We did. Our final stint, which was actually last year. We hadn't gone back in three years, but we wanted to like – the Queen Mary actually shut down, which was sad. Really? When was that?

Last year. They lost funding and whatever. They might be opening up now. They're trying to raise money and get it back up. So we thought this was the last time we'd ever see the ship. So we're like, let's go say goodbye to the thing that literally started this whole adventure for us. And so Colvin and I went back alone to B340. Same room, alone.

Do they rent that room out to anybody? They do now. They do now. But for 30 years, they didn't. For 30 years. We were like the first people to get to it. That's so crazy. After 30 years.

But again, that's all alleged as well. Like who knows if it's like a marketing ploy. And again, we were so skeptical that like Sam and I, when those knocks first started to happen, like we were like looking under things. We were like, this room has to be bugged. See if you can find anything about that room. Find anything about the Queen Mary room 340. Yeah, it's a B340.

B340. So they told you that there was multiple murders that took place in that room?40. Yeah, it's B340. So they told you that there was multiple murders that took place in that room? Yeah. Imagine that you guys were just like an hour away from killing your roommates. Oh my God. Yeah, like if we kept going at it. We just kept asking questions. He just turns on us. Bam.

He just starts talking to you. This is what the room looks like. Oh God, it gives me chills. What does it say on the wall? So you can scripture? Well, they have literally experiences of each different family. Oh, God, it gives me chills. What does it say on the wall? So you can scripture? Well, they have literally experiences of each different family. Yeah, there's a ton of- Oh, my God. So it's openly haunted. Yeah.

So anytime someone has a crazy experience that they deem notable, they'll write it on the wall. Oh, there's our thumbnail right there. It's the Bloody Mary wall. Yeah, and they have instructions to do Bloody Mary. It's definitely cheesy a little bit. They have the Bloody Mary wall. Yeah, and they have instructions to do Bloody Mary. It's definitely cheesy a little bit. Like, they have the Bloody Mary like challenge on it.

Bloody Mary? What does that mean? So, Bloody Mary is like this challenge that a lot of people used to do like as like children or whatever.

You like go in front of a mirror, turn the light off, have one candle, spin around three times while saying Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary. Oh, so it's Candyman. Exactly.

Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. So, it's the evolution of Candyman. And so that's, like, gimmicky, obviously. But there's a lot of stories all over the... That's the one that turned on, yeah. And so this room, is there any documentation that people actually died in that room?

Yeah, I was going to say, I'm curious, because, like, when we went there, again, like, we were very different than where we're at now like we didn't do like super extensive research what we did is we like would you know we'd take the article that it says it is but obviously we're not going back and fact checking that and then we go and talk to the employees and so most of our stories were all like first-hand encounters with the employees that were there uh or things that they would tell us rather than you know and the employees seem to believe it. No,

every employee, like we've met pretty much at all these haunted places are true believers. Those are the ones that said like they could see stuff following us. So yeah, people that work there like are super into like the paranormal and stuff. That's what's fucked. Right. Because there's only a handful of those people that are there day in,

day out. Right. Right. Like, and you can dismiss that or it's like, or in, day out. Right, right. And you can dismiss that. Or it's like. Or it might be real. Right, right.

That's the thing. It's just the thing that gnaws at me, it's like it's so easy to dismiss ghosts. Oh, ghosts are bullshit. But the problem is there are so many people that say they've seen it over so many years, literally hundreds and hundreds of years. It makes you wonder, because if there are multiple dimensions and if life is,

if you are a physical body that's carrying around a soul, like where does that thing go? Yeah, if energy doesn't die, where does it all go? And what happens if something horrible takes place? Like there's some crazy traumatic moment. Gunshots and stab wounds

and like where does that soul go? Is it possible that things get trapped in between worlds and that these people that work in these places or you guys experience something? Exactly.

And who's to say like, you know, we, we know like, you know, whether or not maybe a lot of people believe the soul passes on, but what if that's just not true and also stay here? I don't know. Like,

it's so interesting. Yeah. It'd be God if we knew, you know, it's just, it's a lot of guesswork, but the thing about the ghost stuff is there's so many people with experiences. My grandmother,

uh, was, she would always say she was psychic, but she never guessed anything correctly. But she always like, but there was a guy that was staying with them for a while after my parents, my mom and my uncles moved out of the house. They took in like a board, a border, like a guy that my father knew. And, you know, he paid them to stay in one of the rooms. And he was up in the attic. And they had, like, the attic set up as an apartment.

And he died. And my grandmother used to go up there and she said sometimes he would talk to her. Like she would have these experiences where she's like i know he's still up there like he was talking to me and my grandfather got kind of weirded out by it but it was like she she told us don't go up in that attic no way yeah she ever tell you like what he would talk about like full-on conversations or no it was it was hot i was very young at the time so i don't think she wanted to freak me out i was like five years old so I think she wanted to keep it on the DL. My grandmother was crazy.

She had a monkey. She had a monkey named Chi-Chi that would bite people. What? Whoa. What? My grandmother was nuts. Yeah, she was a wild lady. Yeah.

She went to jail for bookmaking. Bookmaking? Yeah, she was running numbers for the mob. And she wouldn't give up the mob until they put her in jail for sixmaking. Bookmaking? Yeah, she was running numbers for the mob. And she wouldn't give up the mob until they put her in jail for six months. So it would always be like, where's grandma? And they're like, oh, grandma's staying with Aunt Lulu. Let's not talk about it for a while.

She was in fucking jail. She was in jail for numbers running. Yeah, because they had like, that was like the neighborhood lottery was the numbers. And that's how, do you know what the numbers were? See if we can find like a definition of the numbers, like how the mob used to run the numbers. But like basically they would have a number every day, you know, like 34, 29, 16, whatever it was. Like I don't know how many digits it was.

And people would guess whatever the number was and you'd pay into that whatever it was. And people would guess whatever the number was and you'd pay into that, whatever it was. So you'd pay in, I don't know how much money it costs to, for each individual thing, but it was very similar to the lottery. Like the lottery numbers, they pick the lottery numbers, you guess them and you could buy as many lottery tickets as you want. It's similar to that, but it was all illegal and it wasn't being taxed. And, you know, you could get in real trouble if you were involved in it. And so my grandmother was involved in it. So they arrested her. But what they really wanted is her to rat out the mob.

And she's like, I'm not ratting out nobody. That's kind of awesome. She went to jail for six months. Trust her, the person. But she also talked to ghosts. There we go. Same category. No, it's interesting like you know a lot

of people dismiss that idea but i think it's like 50 of the united states or something like that like believes in believes in ghosts or believes in the afterlife or something like that it's like everybody you talk to like will have something where maybe it's not paranormal but they'll have like a situation that they can't explain yeah they don't know how like the drape fell off like in the beginning, you know. It's weird enough that we're here. That's weird enough. Right. The idea that like there's ghosts somehow that's weirder.

Like just human life is fucking bizarre. Yeah. Just the fact that we can look at each other and communicate and you use sounds to express feelings and. Move without thinking about it. look at each other and communicate and you use sounds to express feelings and move without thinking about it. There's a lot of weirdness to life that we just take for granted because it's commonplace, but, but the ghost thing, you know, so you guys, you have this one experience and now are you automatically a believer? Do you go through periods where you're like, well, maybe someone was messing with us? Maybe it's not real.

Yeah. So that was probably a full year before we went full into Haunted. So like throughout that, you know. You have phases of your career. We went full into Haunted. Full into Haunted. Full into musicals. All the good stuff for sure.

That was the first phase. We started doing Broadway. And then we did Haunted for a while so yeah after the rest we're like all right let's dive back into this and it was so interesting and at that point again like we're no experts on this like we're honestly trying to do this to prove to ourselves because of the crazy experience we had a long time ago. So we had, at least for the first year of us doing, like, a haunted exclusively on our channel, we had, like, no equipment. Most of the time we'd go in, like, documentary style and just, like, interview people, walk around, like, these hotels

or buildings and be like, why is it haunted? And then try to test that same theory. A lot of the times we would get stuff. Sometimes we wouldn't. But it's all been, like, a learning process, especially like as as we go. There are some points that like we'll go a stint with like a couple of months of I don't know. We haven't had anything actually like blow our minds in a while. And then, boom, something else happens. It's like brings us right back into it.

So we're also just like coming up with more theories in our head of like what we actually do believe with the paranormal. Like, for example, right now we 100% believe in energies and stuff like that. And there is no question that you can walk into some places and it's like just a different vibe. Yeah. Like it feels heavier. Yeah. But do we believe in like the Casper, the ghost, sort of like figure ghosts? Like not really.

Maybe. We've seen like shadow figures before. but have I ever levitated? No. Have I ever seen something like straight in front of my face where I, like undeniable proof that that's a ghost in front of me? No. It's like been like just out of the corner of the eyes and stuff like that. You know, there's some scientists that believe that things carry memory.

There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake, and he has this theory of morphic resonance. And part of his theory is that he thinks objects themselves contain some sort of memory. Whether or not you can access that memory, but that objects contain memory. And he cites that as one of the reasons why people can feel things. Like if you were going to a house where someone's been murdered in the house, there's a reason why they have to tell you. They can't just sell you the house. They have to say, well, by the

way, if someone gets murdered in the house, I think I don't know for how long after the... It probably varies by state to state. But I remember in California you would have to tell people someone got murdered in the house.

For sure. To this day, they can't sell that fucking JonBenet house. JonBenet Ramsey? I don't even know what that is. She got murdered in Boulder, Colorado. She was a beauty pageant queen who was a tiny little girl. It was really creepy. You ever do those child beauty pageants?

Yeah. Yeah, well, she was murdered when she was very young. I don't know how old she was, like eight, nine, something like that. And it was a national scandal because they couldn't figure out who murdered her or what happened. And some people thought that it was the parents and the Boulder Police Department botched the investigation because they weren't really. Boulder is a pretty peaceful place. They're not used to murders murders especially not murders of children and also like there's it exposed people to how weird these child beauty pageants are where you're taking a little girl and you're

putting you know high-heeled shoes on her and short skirts and sexy makeup like what the fuck are you doing right and so it became this thing. So we lived in Boulder for a while and we were looking at real estate in Boulder and there was this one house. Like, this is a pretty nice house. Like, why is this house so cheap? It was weird. It seemed like it should have been more expensive.

And then I Googled it. Uh-oh. And I found out, oh, that's the house where JonBenet Ramsey had been killed. Oh, man. Yeah. I don't know. Uh-oh. And I found out, oh, that's the house where JonBenet Ramsey had been killed. Oh, man. Yeah. I don't know if it ever sold. But, like, the entire time we were there, it was for sale. It was for sale before then for years.

I think they might have even changed the name of the street to try to sell the house. Some weird shit like that. I've definitely heard of that happening before. Like, they're like, oh, no one's buying this because of that. Well, it's a thing. No one wants to buy a house where a little girl was murdered. Oh, for sure. And might have been murdered by her parents.

That was the real scary part about it. That was the accusations that the mother did it. They brought in these handwriting experts. And the handwriting experts compared the ransom note with the mother's handwriting. And they were trying to say that the mother wrote the ransom note. I'm like, who fucking knows? But it's gross enough that no one wanted to have anything to do with the house. Yeah.

No, it makes sense. There's this one time, one of the creepiest places we've ever been is kind of a story like that. Have you ever heard of the Villisca axe murders? No. ever been is kind of a story like that um have you ever heard of the veliska axe murders no so in veliska iowa there was this serial killer that came in apparently um and small little town a couple thousand people or whatever a little house and somehow this guy was able to come into the house kill two parents and six kids all in one house with an axe. A tiny house. Without getting caught at all.

And to this day, it's an unsolved murder. Jesus Christ. And it's just so, so bizarre. And that was one of the places that like, yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. Look at the fucking sign in front of it. Jesus Christ.

They get a Villisca axe murder house and it's dripping blood if you were a neighbor you'd be like hey bro maybe take that fucking sign down yeah exactly a little insensitive for sure jesus christ so that was in 1912 yeah that all happened yeah so over a hundred years but that was like one of those things that we'd we'd researched and that was like interesting but as soon as we stepped foot in that house it was a whole different vibe yeah it was one of those things that like uh it was one of the few times we actually had to leave so halfway like after doing a little tour with the whole like uh with the tour guide he was telling us all these stories and just like being in there

was weird uh like our buddy was like feeling like he's going to throw up and it was just like really odd. Like that doesn't happen every time. But when it does, it's kind of like, and it might be because of how fucked up it was. There was a lot of things that went down in this murder. Well, that's also you know about it, right? It would have been interesting if someone brought you into the house without telling you anything. Like how do you feel in this place? And then see how you feel then right is it like

a placebo effect maybe that because you know the story you're walking in there i mean that's a crazy placebo right like just to know that that a whole family's murder with a fucking ax right right and the the most gruesome part about it is the the killer used the blunt side of the ax so you can still because we went there to investigate you can still see like the blunt side of the ax. So you can still, because we went there to investigate, you can still see the ax markings in the ceiling when he was going back to go down. And again, it's so weird because there was like, on the top floor there was the parents' room,

but then right five steps down a wooden creaky hallway was the children's room where there was four of them. And then there was two more of their daughter's friends that they were hanging out with that were downstairs that got murdered as well. So how is it possible that he was able to get to all of them with the blunt side and just... And did he break in or was he hiding in the attic?

Like, we don't know. It was really creepy. Yeah. So that was the one that got you the most? Yeah. That and Conjuring. That true crime world is really, really messed up Creepy. Yeah. So that was the one that got you the most? Yeah. That, like, true crime world is, like, really, really messed up. Because, like, again, like, the stories you hear, too, and the allegations of these people is, like, oh, God.

Because for that particular ex-murder, the little girls downstairs apparently were the last ones getting killed. And because of that um the killer was apparently reported that he like would this is like really disturbing like warning yeah like would uh like unclothe the little girls and he sat there and he pleasured himself um in front of these like dead with like a big like slab of bacon it was like like those types of gruesome stories slab of bacon he he like sexually pleasured of gruesome stories. With a big slab of bacon too? A big slab of bacon he sexually pleasured himself to these dead bodies. Oh god.

Girls under like 10 too, I think or 15, something like that. And it never happened again? And then they never found the guy? Did they have suspects? So they do have suspects and what's really interesting is the two main subsuspects that a lot of people talk about were not the ones that we ended up talking about in our video just because right before doing a

research on this location we saw this this author that just came out with a book about a serial killer and she thinks she solved the Vliska X murders because that same exact style of murder was actually this um the serial killer that went from midwest town to midwest town on a train and it's called the man from the train and the same the same exact thing so like things like covering the mirrors after like the death and like the back of an axe the fact that he was left-handed which he would eat meals like afterwards like he'd like make himself a meal and sit with all the dead bodies and eat. Cover up every window because he was ashamed that if he saw his reflection or something like that.

And every single spot that this traveling serial killer went to would cover the windows and do weird things like that. Ritual things. So how many different times did this guy supposedly do this? I don't know. I think he did a lot. This specific serial killer like dozens of times. But the two main aspects. Yeah, with axes, which is weird.

And then they explained to us why. And this is a little gruesome too. But if you do the sharp side of an axe, it'll get stuck in your skull. But if you destroy the skull with the backside, the blunt side, then you can pick up the axe faster. And it was like, my god like that's and we thought like we were like maybe he you know drugged the family beforehand or like chloroform them or something and there was no sign of like any any drugs like used so weird according to the book the man on the train he they describe him for being responsible

for up to uh let's see, they feel, feeling certain that Mueller committed 14 family murders totaling 59 victims, less certain varying degrees of his involvement and another 25 family murders totaling an additional 94 victims. Wow. Oh my God. And there's even one in Germany they think might have been attached to him. Do they have a photo of this guy? I don't think so.

I don't think so. So what was his name? Mueller. Paul Mueller. And why did they think it was him, specifically? Did he get arrested? I'm just looking at the Wikipedia that breaks down the book. He just, like, the style of the murders were so

similar. And the two other main suspects that they had hadn't murdered anybody previously. And so this guy just coming in in train by train to all these different cities. Yeah, the other suspects were just like not as intense, I guess you could say, where it was like there was like this one guy named like Jones,

I believe, who was just a businessman that maybe had like some rivalry in business with the family, but wouldn't, you know, result to like murder for that. And then there was also just like a creepy reverend who was like a peeping tom sort of character that was just like the town creep that everybody thought it was here's the main thing on why i guess they think that what they think i don't know if you can read that michael small yeah according to the jamis's uh a number of murders in the period were assumed by local police to be one-off incidents or actually committed by a single person, probably Mueller, based on certain similarities among the crimes.

The similarities include the same being within a few hundred feet of railroad junction. Okay, so that's the book's title, it says. The slaughter of entire families in small towns with little or no police force. And the families having a barn which the killers believed to have hidden to observe the families. Which Villisca had. Oh my God. That's so fucking... Imagine this guy waiting in the barn,

watching the family go to sleep. For how many days before he did it? And they were all at church service before it all happened as well, which is horrible. So that one particular, you felt something when you were in that place? I mean, you just walk in and it just feels...

It's hard to explain, but you can feel the negativity in the air where it's almost like, as crazy as it sounds, like the air feels thicker in a way. My stepfather, who's like a very sober thinking, rational person, went to Gettysburg and he said, you can feel the sadness. He goes, it just feels horrible. Like you're there and you just you feel death because i've never felt anything like that like you're at a battleground and you know even though it's 200 years ago or whatever it was less than 200 years ago you you feel it he goes you can

feel it he goes i want i had to get out of there yeah that's the thing with some of these places it's it's not necessarily like oh like, like, you know, immediately just like, Oh yeah, this is spiritual energy or whatever like that. But it's just heavy. Or it's just like, you feel off when you go into these places. Like as soon as you stepped into the, uh, the conjuring house, have you ever seen the conjuring movies? Yes. So they're actually based on a real house in Rhode Island. And that was one of those places that we had walked into and you were like almost getting nauseous. I almost threw up. And I'm not. So what's interesting about the paranormal and what we've learned the past four years is that it affects people differently.

Some people can see stuff. Some people claim their mediums and can communicate more. I feel like I have more of like an empathic, like almost like I feel worse, like whenever there's something around. And so when we first walked into the Conjuring house, like there was a point where I thought I was going to throw up and I was looking for exits. What's the real story behind the Conjuring house? What's the actual story?

So, yeah, the movie story is like this witch, bestie or whatever, but the actual story, there's a bunch of different things that they say are haunted, but it's actually built on the grounds of the... Is that the house? Yeah. It's creepy. It's an amazing house. The state that launched the Conjuring universe. There we go.

Yeah. What is it? Like the Marvel Comics universe? What does that mean? The Conjuring universe? How weird. Oh, geez. That's the problem. When you start making an industry out of something. Turns into a business. Yeah, so what's the original story? So the most famous we'll get to, but, like, it's built on the same grounds that the King Philip's War was fought on,

like right at the beginning of the United States and everything. United States and everything. So the main people that haunt that are seven dead soldiers that this little girl always kept seeing in the walls. And thus it started manifesting more to the entire family. So this family called the Perrin family bought the place in like 1972. And for 10 years, they said they would see, you know figures these these soldiers walking around like their beds would shake they would get scratches like and it kept getting worse over the 10 years and the crazy part is it got to become famous because of like the final day that like changed it all um they wanted to do like an exorcism on the house because I think who was the mom, Perrin? Caroline or something?

Caroline Perrin. Yeah, Caroline Perrin was getting, like, really bad. Like, she would have things happen to her every single day. You know, furniture would move, all these sort of things. She was getting, like, really rash with everything. So she brought in these demonologists who were— Ed and Lorraine Warren. Ed and Lorraine Warren.

If you've heard of them before. They're, like, the demonologists, the paranormal investigators. They are like the fathers of it all. Maybe I have heard of them. Are they featured in the Zach Bagans Museum? Yeah. Okay, that's where I've heard of them. Yeah, which is also a crazy place.

We'll talk about that. But yeah, so anyway... I just went. Really? I just went a couple weeks ago. Oh, no way. Yeah, my daughter dragged me to that too. Hey, there we go. Vegas. Yeah, so they were doing this, like, exorcism. That's them, yeah. Yeah, that's those folks.

Okay, so they do an exorcism there. They were doing an exorcism, and I don't know exactly prior to whatever happened and why they called it. She was just having a bad time just, like, over, over the last couple of years and they wanted to end. And to her claim, she was actually thrown like across the entire room and smashed into a wall to where she had injuries. And they were so angry about that that they actually kicked out the demonologist. They punched Ed in the face. They punched that guy in the face because they thought he was the guy that was

making it worse, but I think it just pissed him off. And so that thing... When you say they punched him in the face, you mean the ghost punched him in the face? Oh, no, no, no. The parent family. The dad. Oh, okay. The parent family was like... They're getting assaulted? The parent family, yeah, was like really upset.

They punched him in the face because he thought that he threw the wife across the room? Or he was responsible for it? He thought they made it, or he was there, and the exorcism that he was conducting made it more angry, which in turn hurt his wife. Oh, so he got angry. He was like, stop doing this. You brought him in. Exactly.

It's like hiring a priest and then punching a priest. Right, right. Move. Yeah, exactly. What the fuck is wrong with you? Move down the street. Punching people. Come on.

So the Perron family actually wrote a book about that. Really? And they say the Conjuring movies actually don't do it justice of all the things that happened and all the movements and the craziness that happened in that 10 years that they lived there. They were like, in the real life, actually experiencing it and the trauma that they went through, they say it's like 10 times worse. And so they feel like it was dead soldiers, like murdered soldiers on the battlefield.

I'm not sure. Well, here's where it gets interesting is they don't know what it is, but they believe it is something more evil or demonic, whatever you believe in. That is like controlling all of these like soldiers and stuff and trapping them. Movie goes with that's a person named Bathsheba who was like a neighbor who everybody just thought was a witch. But in real life, it was just known as a demonic possession. But no trace back. Yeah. Like what?

That's that's an interesting thing. Right. Like because that's in a lot of these cases. They feel like it's not just ghosts, but it's ghosts that are being controlled by some sort of a demonic entity. Right. And the demonic entity keeps these ghosts there, which is like another layer of belief you have to have. Right, exactly. You just don't just believe that maybe when people die, their energy gets left behind, and then maybe that energy gets controlled by demons.

Exactly. Oh, my God. It's like another level. We're so into crazy now. I don't know if I'm willing to go there. It gets meta. It gets very meta. But if you did encounter a demon,

nobody would fucking believe you. Oh, no. You would be trapped. You would be this person who for the rest of your life, there goes Bob and his fucking demon stories. Yeah. Like no one would buy it. Exactly.

Same thing with aliens or anything. Anything you see that are outside of this like logical. Physical world would buy it. Exactly. Same thing with aliens or anything. Anything you see that are outside of this logical, physical world. Normal daily encounters. Anything outside of that. Bigfoot. Anything. Anything where you see things. And there's been many times that people have seen things

that they swear were real. And you go, God, that poor fuck. I would rather not see those things and then just have everybody just looking at you oh here comes mike when his whacking right you know because like if you did like there's a gentleman um where's this little where's the travis walton's little thing we let we used to have it on the desk here oh it's over there that guy right there this guy is travis walton and uh he's got his own bobblehead now.

Man's got to make a living. Let's go. He was in this movie called Fire in the Sky. I don't know if you ever heard of it. Never. It's a UFO abduction story. But it's a very famous abduction story because there was a bunch of eyewitnesses. And there was witnesses that saw the spacecraft

that were in the town. He was a logger in Arizona and he had, including people that hated him, who backed up his story. So they saw something in this area where they were logging, there had been sightings, like multiple sightings of UFOs in the past. And they saw something go through the sky and into the trees, and they pulled the truck over. This guy, Travis Walton, who was a young guy at the time, he was in his early 20s, jumps out of the car, runs over to this thing, and there's a flying saucer, like a classic flying saucer that's hovering over the ground it was like a flying saucer right is that how he

described it I believe anyway he runs up gets too close this thing a burst of energy hits him like he he got too close to it or something gets knocked down the other guys run they're terrified now they run they get in the car they drive off and then they're screaming and yelling at each other as they're driving off like we got to go back and get him we can't fucking leave him there yeah so they go back they go back to the same spot he's gone he disappeared for five days and what's like five days i hope i'm not fucking this up. So five days later He shows up in town

Calls calls someone on the cell phone calls the police tells them his story these recordings of him calling the police and telling his story No one knows what happened to him He five days no food no water and his story was that they took him aboard this spaceship and repaired him, that he got damaged by this burst of energy that came off of the spaceship and that they, they repaired him and that he communicated with these beings. And these beings are what everybody describes as these classic gray aliens, these things with these big heads and these large eyes. And there was different types of creatures that were on this spaceship too. But that poor fucking guy for the rest of his life. Now he's like in his 60s, maybe 70s, and that's him.

He came on the podcast. Very nice guy. But now he's the fucking wacky UFO guy for the rest of his life. Like Travis Walton could have been a normal guy and had a normal life and never experienced that. Like, would you rather be the person who has the unique experience that nobody believes or never have that experience where you could just live a normal

life? I wouldn't a hundred percent rather have the experience I think because, okay, maybe not the UFO experience, but the reason I think deep down that I'm so intrigued with the paranormal and rest of my life, uh, or for us eternity. I want to, even if it's a little notch of faith that there's something else out there, I would much rather have that experience. But that's my opinion. I mean, I would agree too. I think, you know, there's going to be people that judge you for what you believe, no matter if it is in ghosts or like even talking religion and stuff like that. So you might as well just stay true to, you know,

the things you actually experience. And I would love to, to find out it's, it's answers. It's kind of like giving, like you said, like a little bit more hope of what comes next. Do you guys feel that with your experiences that you've had,

they're limited in terms of like, you haven't had anything like the conjuring house happened to you, but you've had enough happen where you've been around enough that you have questions. Yeah. I mean that's the thing is that's where we like draw the line with like what we believe and what we don't. Like I don't think if I keep doing this I'm going to start levitating. If I do, that would be the straw. That would be the final thing.

If I levitate tomorrow. I saw the Sally House video today. Yeah. I watched the Sally House video today where I was working out and those people were telling me that telling you rather that they levitated. Yes. The medium. But they're so like dead serious. And there's so many people. They seem so normal. They seem so normal. Other than the fact they said they levitate. Exactly. But dude, if I levitate tomorrow, then that's, that's it. I don't have to do it again because I would believe. I'm like, hell, yeah, this is awesome. I don't think it's going to happen to me.

No. But there are so many things that we've seen that are like, okay, that makes me want to inch a little closer or try it again or do it again. You know, there's that, like, you know, spark of like, oh, I cannot explain how that happened. What's the most profound one that you guys have experienced? Besides Queen Mary? There's both individual experiences that have been insane. For me, for example, I went in Texas, actually. There was a spot called Bower's Mansion.

I don't know what city it was in. It was a small, small town. Small town in Texas. And this was one of these spots where nobody has ever investigated or with just like a handful of people. So we were going to be like the first YouTubers to really investigate and like put it on the map. And it had to deal with like, I think it was like a murder suicide. Some guy like killed his wife and then shot himself. And we're trying to like, especially this year and in the future, try to just put ourselves in more scary situations so it never, you know, it's always, like, exciting and stuff like that.

And so we're trying to do, like, more, like, alone challenges and stuff and just things that, like, give us more fear. And so for this specific one, I had the challenge of, like, staying in the entire, like, mansion by myself. And I was on the top floor in, like,, which was deemed to be like the most haunted. Um, apparently a guy named like Bernard had lived there like in the past and, uh, basically was like stuck in a wheelchair his entire life and stayed in that room and would like only look out the window and that's it. And he died and apparently still in the room. And so I'm up there and Sam is not even in the house. I think you were actually in the cellar.

And then one of our other buddies is like across the street. And earlier, before we all did like the alone investigation, the door as we were walking down the stairs of the Bernard room closed shut. And we were all like, wait, did you guys hear that too? Was that just my imagination? We run up there. It's completely shut. And so we obviously propped it back open.

But since I knew that had happened before, I was just up there, like, asking questions to Bernard. And I was just like, all right, Bernard, if you're really up here, why don't you slam this door right behind me like you did for us earlier? It's just me and you. Do it. And sure enough, like, the door slammed right behind me. It's like right when I turned. So you're alone in this mansion. Yeah.

And you're talking to ghosts. Yeah. And you're asking the ghost to slam the door and he slams the door. And he slams it right behind me. And you're sitting there going, what the fuck? Not sitting there. Not sitting there. I went into tears.

And it's all on camera. I've never gotten super like from going to these like haunted places but it brought me to tears where i just immediately started walking and of course like this is our job like we want this stuff to happen right but i've never had it was almost more of like a jump scare that was startling than anything because it was right behind me what technology exists like what do ghost hunters use like what's the cream of the crop what's like the tesla of of ghost hunting technology like what's the iphone of ghost probably the emf is like the most standard one emf and what does that stand for uh it's like magnetic frequencies yeah field

or something emf detector so basically just detects changes in EMF energy. So like, you know, if nothing's changing at all, it won't do anything. But if there's something like movement or like, you know, new energy enters the room or something like that, it'll spike. And so that's like what a lot of the equipment is based off of. What's really interesting, the stuff that we do now is we try to integrate just more normal, like everyday objects into our investigation because of the fact that a lot of people are skeptical. So for example, one of the pieces of equipment that we use a lot is like a cat toy that lights up when you touch it. So we would put cat balls around and, you know, we've seen them sit there for hours and nothing happens. And then

like one time we'll be like, all right, if there's someone in the room, can you go touch that cat ball 20 feet away from us? Well, I saw the episode that you guys filmed at that sanitarium. I don't know. You probably filmed many of them at a sanitarium. But you had a cat toy and you also had this little box with an antenna that comes out of it, like a circle. It's like a flat disc with an antenna, and it was going off. You did it. You set it in a room, and you walked away, and you let the camera run.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, the Waverly Hills. Yes. That is a crazy scene. Yes. That's nuts. That's nuts. So this device, explain what this device is, this device with the antenna.

It looks like a giant hockey puck. Yeah, so the RIMPOD is what they call it. I don't know what that stands for, really, this device with the antenna. It looks like a giant hockey puck. Yeah, so the REM pod is what they call it. I don't know what that stands for really, but it does the same thing. So that antenna emits an electromagnetic field that's probably like two feet wide. And so if there's something. That's it right there. Right there. That's it.

So if something enters that electromagnetic field, it'll change the frequency. And that would mean that would actually go off. When it lights up like that, that means something is literally right next to it. So what was crazy is I think Colby sat there for, I don't know, you put it down and it was two or three minutes until it actually went off. To give context a little bit, it was, the challenge was to go put the rim pod downstairs by like this ball or whatever. And everybody else was upstairs and we had to go alone and do it and so i went down here and i put this rim pod down set up the camera and then we're all upstairs we have no idea this is going on at all we should explain why

why the ball because there was a video of a ball sitting there by itself and you're watching this ball and it's not moving forever and then all of a sudden it just rolls by itself on its own. So that was really crazy. What was that ball? Where was that ball and who set the camera up for that? So that wasn't our video, but the people that we went with who are our friends, that was their video.

They had been to that place like three or four times and one of the times they had set that ball down because the story goes that the the person the spirit or whatever that is uh moving that ball is like a little kid and you know it's a sanatorium it was like really sad but you know the kids were allowed to like play on that level and so if you put a ball down it's supposedly if there's someone there it will move um and they put that little rope there specifically so that no wind would get it. Like you'd have to actually put like an immense force to push it. And so our buddies who had been there before filmed, I think they said it was like a three

hour clip, three hours of this ball sitting in that same area. That's why we put the ball there of just nothingness. And then like you said, it didn't seem like it was wind or like slow. It was like immediate push. It was like boom, and it went off the screen. That's what it looks like on the video. The video is bizarre. It was a video because, I don't know, technical challenges or whatever.

He was filming his YouTube video. I don't know why he was filming the video. That's why it looks so bad. But, yeah, basically he witnessed this ball after three hours randomly just getting – how does it get that kinetic energy to, boom, move? No wind. So you guys decide to set this up. So you put the ball down there and this – what is this box called again?

The REM pod. REM pod. Yeah. And so does that detect wind? No. So does wind set it off? Like if you set it up outside and it's windy? No.

It won't set it off. No? No, it's outside and it's windy? That won't set it off. No, it's only like coming in contact with it pretty much. So something has to touch it? Either touch it or in the field. So if you put your hand within a foot, it'll change. But if you're not standing, like he was standing next to it for like a minute talking what he's doing and it wasn't going off. And then he leaves the room completely. He's probably 600 feet away.

We went up two floors and down the hall and then it started going off which was so monumental to us because it's like why for the entire time that you were there nothing's happening but as soon as you leave you didn't or as soon as i leave yeah like yeah is there any conventional explanation that anybody's ever given you why that thing would just go off like that? Well, that's, again, we're no, like, expert in all this stuff. There probably might be for half the time. Like, there's definitely coincidences that happen in our videos. And there's a lot of things that we debunk and write up to be coincidences. It's the coincidences that happen so, like, linear to our questions,

are perfect to our questions that make us believe more. So it's not like we believe everything that happens and we're like, maybe equipment will get triggered by other things. Just like anything has a malfunction.

It's also battery operated so some skeptics out there could say like, maybe the battery's almost dead and it's just malfunctioning. Who knows? Do you think that maybe the more you do this stuff,

the more things happen to you? I think that's what has happened. I think so. And we're just learning that too. That's what's weird about it. Like I'm trying to look at this as a skeptic and I'm also trying to look at this as a believer. I'm trying to be agnostic.

I'm trying to be open-minded. I'm trying to watch these things. And I'm like, what if you guys are opening up some fucking doorway to interactions with something or some kind of energy or some kind of life forms that exist in some weird dimension? And the more you interact with them, the more they're accessible to you. Exactly. That's what seems weird.

If you're not full of shit, you don't seem full of shit. You seem like very nice gentlemen. Thank you. Thanks. If you're not full of shit, you don't seem full of shit, you seem like a very nice gentleman. Thank you. Thanks. If you're not full of shit, then something's happening. So why do you guys keep having these experiences? Well, first of all, you're going to these places that are known. Either people have been murdered there or fucking, I mean, imagine the craziness of a sanitarium.

You're in a mental health institution where people have died. Thousands. Who knows? And so this fucking creepy energy exists in that building already. And how that Waverly House, is that what it's called? Waverly Hills. Waverly Hills. How long had that been abandoned when you guys got there?

I think it closed down in the 60s or 70s. I don't even know. I'm not 100% sure, but definitely in like decades. And is it hard for you to get access to these places? They just let you go? Yeah. So to that point, we've actually like upped the bar a lot since we started. Like when we started at just like places in Kansas, yeah, like not as much, not as many things that happened. But we think part of the reason why more things are happening is because we have access to bigger and better things. That Waverly Hills place, we wanted to go

for six years. We couldn't get access to it. It sells out in 20 minutes for the entire year to just gain access to it. Really? It's crazy. What do people do? Have raves in there? I guess. Some people party. Some people have little kids' birthdays and stuff. So people rent that

fucking creepy place out? It's terrifying. What? So they rent that whole... place out? It's terrifying. So they rent that whole... Jamie, we need to have the fucking JRE party. There we go. Have a festival. Louisville, so like a derby weekend or something. Derby weekend. Have a festival at a mental health institution.

So people rent it out and do stuff there. Yeah, all the time. I mean, mostly it's known for its haunted nature. So almost everyone who's renting out is going there because they want to explore it. They want to see the history or they want to ghost hunt. But yeah, it's been a blessing because as we've gotten bigger with this, more and more locations have been open to having us there. And a lot of people will reach out and be like,

hey, this is like this crazier story that we had never had access to before and now we get to have those experiences. Yeah, I'm curious, have you ever heard of something called an egregore, an egregore? No. Before? So we had just learned about this too like recently

but basically the theory is that if there's enough people believing in something by just manifesting it in their minds, it becomes real. And so if, for example, like with this spot, it's like there's been so many people that have heard the dark history of Waverly Hills that maybe they're believing it into existence. Like there's so many people going there to ghost hunt. So many people hearing about the trauma of it every single day that all that energy,'s just a theory is like trapped there as well yeah who knows that's what's weird about thoughts like who knows what what it can cause do you believe in

manifestation at all like do you believe in where like if you you think positively or think about something you want to happen in your life like it eventually turns out the problem with those thoughts are the people that tell you that have had positive experiences. So like if someone is a rock star and they said, I dreamed it into existence, like, okay, great. But you also had talent. You worked hard. That's true.

Like how many people like tried to dream it into existence, but it didn't happen. Right. I think it's a combination of stuff. I think that visualization and it's possible that there's something more to thoughts than just here's a thing that I have in my head and I put it out there and it's just a thought. Maybe there's some sort of creative energy that's attached to thoughts that maybe we're not aware of. But I think the problem with things like the secret and the law of attraction is that those very esoteric and fascinating concepts, they're hijacked by hucksters.

And then assholes come along and tell you, Sam, I've got the secret to you living a happy, successful life. And they sell you your product. You can have everything you need by following my 12-step course. Right, right. And then someone pretends that they have this sort of attachment to this to the point where they've documented it and they know exactly how it works. And they know, no, it's a feeling. There's a thing to it.

It might be real. There might be something to it. But there's a lot of other stuff that has to be in place too. Like if you want the perfect life, you want to manifest this incredible existence, it also requires an immense amount of work. It's not like you just fucking think it and dream it into being. Maybe even a bit of luck. A lot of luck. It's not like you just fucking think it and dream it into being. And maybe even a bit of luck. A lot of luck.

But what is luck? Maybe you're manifesting luck. Is luck already destiny? Luck is working hard to put yourself in good situations. Yes, but also luck, because you can get hit by a fucking meteor. That is true. You could be a child and get killed in a drive-by. Luck is real. There's bad luck.

There's good luck. Shit happens. That's real, too. So it's hard to say because it's all discussed by the winners. You know, like, I had a photo of a house that I put on my wall, and that was my vision board, and I made that a reality. And I built this business from the ground up with my own thoughts. Did you really? Did you work too?

Did you – like it's good to have this belief because that also gets you up in the morning and it fuels your discipline, right? Because you have this firm belief that you're going to make it happen. And then when you do make it happen, you're like, I dreamed it into existence. But that wasn't the only piece of the puzzle. Exactly. But I think it is an important part of the piece of puzzle to see what you're focusing on.

Just like, you know. It might be magic. There might be something to it. There might be magic. There might be something to it, but it might be just an ingredient along with discipline and along with a plan and along with talent. But there might be something to dreaming things into existence. It's also whatever you focus on will be what you work on.

You know, like if you're – whatever you focus on, you know, like as an accountant, if you're always looking for errors, you're going to see all the wrongdoings in your life because you're looking for errors. But if you're optimistic and you're always looking for positives, you're going to find more positives in your life. Well, this speaks to what we were talking about earlier about being young and failing a lot. Like if you concentrate on those failures, then you think of yourself as a failure. It's very dangerous for people because I've seen it with people where they have a few bad experiences, like in high school, like they fall apart a few times and you know, they lose jobs, they lose this, they lose that. And then they're a loser. And then in their mind, they're a loser because they're concentrating only on those negative experiences they've had instead of like

getting past that and growing and say, that was valuable life experience and that's caused me to reevaluate and reassess the way I communicate and change the way I think. And it caused me to get up earlier and work harder. And that made me a winner. Because bad experiences are very valuable. Like failing is very valuable. Right. Because it sucks. You can learn.

Yeah. When you were in jail, you're probably like, bro, this can't keep happening. Right? Let's switch up the content. Let's go. But that's the good aspect of bad experiences is that it gives you like an incredibly powerful, motivating tool. So I don't know whether or not you can manifest things into existence

But I'm not opposed to the idea totally I am opposed to the idea that it's the only thing I'm opposed to the idea Like the secret, you know, like I'm gonna you know that Yeah, there was like a bunch of people that really believed that they were just gonna think things into existence Yeah, that's the saddest thing. There was this girl who was friends with a friend of mine, and she was at the comedy store one night, and she's like, I am so happy because I found the secret, and I'm going to meet the man of my dreams,

and I'm going to have the career that I've always wanted. I'm like, how are you going to do that? She's like, well, I just started following the secret. And Oprah was talking about it on her show show and all these people believe this here like hey oprah you already fucking you have the secret all right you're already oprah you can't just fucking start selling dreams so uh so i didn't see this lady for like a couple of years and then i ran into her at another comedy show i'm like hey how you doing i haven't seen you forever she's like yeah things aren't working out like i really thought that i was going to be able to control my life with the secret but you know my father is still

a fucking loser and you know every guy i date dates an idiot and and you know i don't have the career that i wanted i was like oh yeah it's not that simple it's so sad too because that's what i always like think about when someone asks like oh my god like i want to be a youtube everyone wants to be a youtuber now or wants to be on social media or tiktok and everyone's like oh yeah it's just you know easy you post a video or something like that. But you don't realize how much work goes into it or how much you have to try and be able to accept failure for months on months on months before you see anything. It takes a certain type of person to put themselves out there, which is a whole nother topic. But it's so sad that like this new generation is kind of like being born into

where everybody has followers now. Like when Sam and I were in high school and we started popping off on Vine, like it was like frowned upon. Like we were not popular in high school whatsoever. But now it seems like, yeah, kids just are born into that where they have iPads at a super young age and have 10K on Instagram. TikTok is weird because they just make you have large following so that you'll be addicted to it. Right, right. I've heard kids talk about, I have 2,000 followers. They're fucking you.

They're lying to you. Yeah. And think about that. They're just making you get more followers so that you get addicted. Smart. And think about after you do get those followers, let's say you do have one viral video and then you never get it again. So you had this one success and you're addicted to it and you fail and fail and fail and fail. How hard is that on the psyche to just be like,

oh, I did it and now I can never do it again. That's why I like this viral concept nowadays with TikTok because I feel like even worse. It's definitely weird. Like how about that dude with the cranberry juice that's skateboarding with a Mac? That guy. His life changed for like a month and then now he's like oh now it's

back to normal like he hit magic in a bottle with that one video it's like winning the lottery and then realizing your real life later on and it's like it's like winning the lottery for a hundred grand it's great to have a hundred grand but then like you know you can't retire off of that you can't yeah i mean you gotta do something. Like something has to happen. Right. That guy was like on a television show, right? Yeah, it was a show. I'm looking at an article right now from a couple months ago. Yeah, but the thing is like how long ago was that?

Was that a year and a half ago or so? It was during the pandemic. Right. So fall of 2020. Okay, so two years ago. So two plus years ago, this dude does that. Three years ago now, I guess. So, yeah, man, it two years ago. So two plus years ago, this dude does that. Three years ago now, I guess. So, yeah, man, it just goes away. Yeah.

I mean, there's been so many occurrences of that, like, throughout all time of social media. 420 dog faces. 420 dog faces. Let's go. 8 million from that? He's got tons of followers now. Oh, my God. He's got 7.4 million followers and 122.6 million likes.

Management and everything. Wow. He's parlayed it. So he has parlayed it. Yeah. But look at his new video. It has 11,000 views. Like, that's bullshit.

Right. Bro, we got to do better. Come on, man. Some of these videos, look at that. 2,000 views. 1.7 million here. Oh, that one killed it. So he's got...

Look at his dress. It's Wednesday, Adam. Got a fucking wig on. What is that? It's Wednesday. Oh, that one killed it. So he's got... It's Wednesday, Adam. Got a fucking wig on. What is that? It's Wednesday. Oh, my God. See, but you've got to keep trying. Yeah, so he keeps trying.

That's good, though. Well, that's the thing. Well, obviously, that guy got a taste. Right. I mean, how many people watched that Fleetwood Mac video? All of them. It was a Super Bowl commercial. The whole world.

Was it a Super Bowl commercial? Oh, my God. Really? Oh Oh my God, it must be horrible. It was a Super Bowl commercial. The whole world. Was it a Super Bowl commercial? Oh my God. Oh really? Oh my God. But that's also like one hit wonders with music, right? Yeah, yeah.

Like imagine you're at the top of the charts with one song and then it fucking never happens again. Never again. There's a ton of those out there.

Tons. Yeah, like you're a rock star for one song. And like they get conceited about it too. Like they're all like sitting on a high horse for like a year. Then you're just like, same with social media kids. Like we met so many kids, without saying names of course,

where they're like on this TikTok wave of like, oh yeah, I'm awesome now or like whatever. Like I'm in the social media world. And then like a year later and they're just nothing. That's the trap. This morning I saw this article of a girl who did, I think it was Musical.ly or something. She had three plus million followers on Instagram and tried to come up with a merch line

and only sold like 10 or 15 t-shirts. And it was like, so yeah, you got all these people to follow you. They're not fans of you. What are you doing with this following? And it's just so weird because a lot of people think that as soon as they have this one blow-up video, their life has changed forever. But it's a lot of work to continue on. Yeah.

But at least you got some spark. The question is, like, what do you do with that spark? How do you turn those embers into a roaring fire? And some people figure it out and some people don't but that's the beauty of what's happening now is that folks like you who don't have any experience in Hollywood you don't even have backgrounds and doing musicals and plays like all of a sudden you're in show business right you guys are in but it's like self-created show business. But it's massively successful. You guys have, like, I've seen videos,

you have, like, what's the most views one of your videos has? Isn't it The Conjuring or The Stanley? Like 30 million or something. That is fucking bonkers. Crazy.

Stop and think about that. Like, if a movie has 30 million people going to see it, holy shit is that huge. Yeah. That's gigantic. Insane.

Can't even imagine that. If there's a television show, if a television show has 30 million views. That's gigantic. I can't even imagine that. There's a television show. The television show has 30 million views. That's gigantic. Well, it's just you guys. Just by yourself. And we do all the editing ourselves as well. We shoot everything ourselves.

So it's literally just us with a camera. That's why we're not, we always claim like we're not trying to force any information down anybody's throats. We're not like a TV show. We're like two kids from kansas with a camera trying to but it's also why it resonates right that's why people are into it because it's seen it doesn't seem like there's other people involved it seems like it's all you guys like it feels like it's you guys so people who become fans of your show they actually become fans of you right because

they like they like hanging out with you guys. They like hanging out with you guys while you freak out in a sanitarium. Exactly. Literally. That's like what we base our entire YouTube channel on is we have, yeah, like the crazy adventures that we go on maybe are like a spectacle. But like the reason why people are watching what we're doing is 80% of that video is just jokes. Just hanging out with friends.

Yeah. Our thing that we're promoting is like shared experience with our friends like we take all these different groups of friends all around the world have a good time and if something happens it might be a life-changing experience yeah it's like and when those things do happen you bond with those friends so much deeper than if you just you know went to a coffee shop i watched one last night with my daughter where you guys went to Romania. Oh, wow. You went to Dracula's castle. Yeah. So this is Vlad Tepes.

Is that really where he supposedly lived or is one of his castles? Is that what it was? Yeah, one of. I think his main castle was different, but he fought, like, some battle there. And we also went to his death place. But, yeah, yeah like how many people had died on that ground probably thousands and thousands yeah for sure right yeah the the bottle of Dracula piss that you go around with you when

when you're in that guy's area like this guy for people don't know Dracula the book by Bram Stoker and all the movies, were based on this man named Vlad the Impaler who used to eat lunch while he had his enemies writhing on spikes in front of him. He was notoriously a ruse. Which, by the way, someone sent me, Matt Stagg sent me this, that he had been captured when he was younger. He had been imprisoned when he was younger and probably had been raped and tortured. Flava? Yeah, that's one of the reasons why he was such a ruthless person.

When he was a very young man, I believe. See if you can find that. The guy was a monster. Oh, my God. man, I believe. See if you can find that. The guy was a monster. Oh my god. There's so many people like that from history, where you hear about what they did

and you just imagine, like, this is the gentleman. You can reread that, I guess. It says, when Vlad was called to a diplomatic meeting in 1442 with Sultan Murad II, he brought his young sons, Vlad III and Radu, along,

but the meeting was actually a trap. All three were arrested and held hostage. The elder Vlad was released under the condition that he leave his sons behind. Oh, God. Years of captivity. Under the Ottomans, Vlad and his younger brothers were tortured. Oh, tutored, rather.

In science, philosophy, and the arts. Vlad also became a skilled horseman and warrior, according to some accounts, however. He may have been imprisoned and tortured for part of that time, during which he would have witnessed the impalement of his, the Ottomans' enemies. Scary. There's even rumors that he would drink the blood of his enemies,

which is why he gets compared to Dracula so much. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Hold on, go back down a little bit. The rest of Vlad's family, however, failed even worse. His father was ousted as the ruler of, how do you say that word? Wallachia? Wallachia? By local warlords and was killed in the swamps near Balteni, Wallachia in 1447.

Vlad's older brother, Mercia, was tortured, blinded, and buried alive. Jeez. People were fucking rude. Oh, yeah. Does Dracula mean son of the dragon? Well, in Romania, they say it means devil now. They call it Dracula. They use that term.

But it used to. It's interchangeable with devil. That's what it used to mean? Son of dragon was what it originally was, but nowadays they say it's devil. Yeah. Amazing that that guy then became what everybody thinks of

as the guy with the slick back hair that's a vampire. Right, the character. Did you guys watch the Bram Stoker movie? Yeah. Bram Stoker's Dracula? Yeah. With Gary Oldman?

Fucking great movie. Yeah. That's wild. He literally created the character, I believe, of the vampire. And, like, well, there was films like, have you ever seen Nosferatu? Mm-hmm. Sure. Like, that is honestly probably the scariest figure in my, like, head.

And I want to say that was, what year was Nosferatu? 1922. Wow. Damn, because that was a silent movie as well, I believe. Yeah, it was silent. I saw that movie at the public library when I was seven years old. Hate this guy. Yeah.

Oh, my God. What a great monster movie, though. What a great character. And he lived in coffins and shit, and he was on a boat. I don't know. I hate it. Yeah, that was the original vampire. Yeah.

I mean, one of the best original of the scary movies. What was that one? It's a remake. It's a different one? Werner Herzog remake. Oh, really? Werner Herzog remade it? No shit.

When did he do that? I don't know. That's what it says. No kidding. 1922 remake, yeah. 2019. I never heard a peep about this. do that? I don't know. That's what it says. No kidding. 1922 remake, yeah. 2019. I never heard a peep about this. Did you?

No. Wow. Huh. Sure have not. Huh. Okay. You know, on that same trip, we went out to Romania, but I think right after Romania went to the Ukraine,

and that was probably one of our most terrifying experiences because in Odessa there is this giant like labyrinth of catacombs underneath the city and it's basically like a mine they used all the limestone from underneath to build the entire city of Odessa in Ukraine but we had some near and run-ins of like almost dying down there i mean obviously you shouldn't go into the catacombs alone but this is like one of our like exploring videos um and oh my god this the story is crazy we met this random guy uh who was going to take us in because our original guide like broke his hand the night before and he was like oh trust this dude he's done it before you should just go in the catacombs with this guy. We're like, what? He spoke broken English.

Like, Oh, great. We're like, all right. I mean, we need to get a video. Let's go. Like, why not? Oh my God. So we're diving deep into this place. And he turns to us at one point and he said, do you guys know how to get out and i was like uh i mean maybe he's like no you don't if i leave you right now you would die and he just looks at us and we're like uh please don't and he's like i want to test something i'm gonna go over there this is a circle you guys got to find your way back over to me but i'm gonna leave you alone and so we're like this is like a labyrinth this is a giant labyrinth i don't know if you've ever seen like catacombs so this guy has this shit all memorized yeah yeah so we're going and things that look like that the

entire time and he asks us to go in like a base of a figure eight um that's him right there in the blue and he was like find me and if i and if you don't find me like if i wanted to i could leave i mean he was a nice guy he wouldn't do it but at that point letting you know we we realized at that point oh god like we could die right now um it was just absolutely terrifying that all those markings on a wall was apparently a story of a guy uh that got trapped in there and kept seeing that like figure that little shadow figure on the wall and so he went crazy and wrote a ton of different things oh jesus uh but what was really really insane i don't know exactly where this is in the video or so i'd show you but uh he turns to

us as we go and says hey let me walk ahead of you for this section. All right. Why? And he was like, um, because last week I almost got bombed here. And I was like, what, what, what does that, what does that mean? He was like, yeah. So me and the other guides that take people down here in this catacombs, we, we don't like each other and we don't like sharing clients. So if I got a, if I was able to, you know, like kill off all the other people that were down here then i'd get all the clientele and i was like what what what are we in here like we've already been with this guy for two hours and he turns he's like let me show you something he goes behind this rock pulls out a bomb a pipe bomb a pipe bomb a little thing with like a fuse on it

and it was like i found this because i almost triggered this four days ago and this would have killed me instantly and if this would have got that thing that thing yeah and it was booby trapped up there and he said if if you guys trigger those the walls are caving in and we're all gonna die like and he was being 100 serious and we're like we thought we were like no way that you're just joking with us. He's like, no, if that goes off and you see another one, like don't move at all. I will try to disarm it and we'll keep going. But the level of intensity for that night was like so beyond anything.

Cause we're like, okay, this is not like just scary. We're getting lost, whatever. We could die. So they're murdering people for the guide business? For the guide business. It's crazy. Makes no sense. So what is the most danger you feel like you've ever been in?

Was it then? Maybe then. There was maybe like, okay, there was this one time. We got held at gunpoint. Yeah. That was probably the most. And that was really, really. This was four days before our arrest, too.

So it's on the same. Usually when we did the Explorer videos, abandoned videos, we would go and film like four to five, like in one stint. So this was like our Florida trip. We land. It's like 8 a.m., 9 a.m., and we're hitting like our first, which is this giant hotel, giant hospital, something like that, right next to the highway. And so basically we were just there to film our video, of course. One of our main things back in the day was we had these Explore stickers that we'd go put at the top of each one of these buildings. And so we made our way to the roof and probably spent a little bit too much time on top of the building where everybody could see us.

And so we knew we already had to, you know, lay low as we were like leaving. And we're leaving this building. And as we go out, we see a lady on the property with an orange vest and she's walking towards us. So before, you know, we can do anything, we just decided to run. And so we ran the opposite direction and there was like a little fence that we could hop behind us. And so we hopped it into what we thought was like a private property of like an office building space. There was like big buildings and like a big parking lot and stuff. Literally this.

Like that's where we're at. And as we're trying to leave this like office building, what we thought, we had four officers run up to us right here, where this is like the front gate with guns saying like, get on the ground, you guys are so fucked, all this stuff that we were like, whoa, whoa, we've been doing abandoned forever, we've been caught before, but never been held at gunpoint.

Calls in, and then like two or three more cops come in and circle us. And like the one guy is standing far, because I don't know, he's point or whatever. And then two other guys rush us. They both take our heads and like are like, you guys are absolutely fucked. They put me and like just shove my face up against this fence and like grind it up against this.

I don't care who you are. You guys are fucked. You're going to go to jail. I got you. And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. What is going on? Like what? Like we were just filming our daily videos that we always do.

Like what's going on? And like, were just filming our daily videos that we always do like what's going on and like why are you at the school and we're like what what school and like you just walked out of an elementary school with two backpacks all black clothing and cameras on and like gloves and stuff like that and i was like no no no we're at this like abandoned place it's like oh yeah yeah right you guys are fucked you guys are going to jail. You're terrorists. And we're like, what? Yo, no, no, no, no. This is not whatever. And we're like, get on the ground.

And then like two or three more cops come and show up. You tell them, like, we've got video footage. Just review the video footage, sir. It is crazy. So yeah, after like, you know, getting screamed at in our faces and like guns pointed, like it was the first time I looked down the barrel of a gun for sure. And I was like, okay, this is serious. I i need to not do this and they thought you were terrorists they thought we were because they thought you're gonna blow up a school or something yeah oh my

god so was there someone else that was at the school uh no i well i mean the school part was on the other other property and it was in session it was like an elementary school that was fine we were in an abandoned hospital on the other lot. So was there just some crossed wires in terms of like how someone was reporting what was going on? Yeah, I guess. I think what they just saw was like two random guys, you know, protect, you know, they have to protect their elementary school.

They're seeing two guys that are like older with black clothing on backpacks and they're like assume the worst immediately and it makes sense it makes sense it's a code red code red for sure we were in the wrong but we just didn't know we were in the wrong god i got it i got it i got it so but then they called so we learned that they were just school officers that honestly i don't know how they had even weapons on them doesn't make any sense but But they ended up calling the deputies and the sheriff of the actual police. And then the sheriff came over and was like, what's the situation, boys? We're just like, we explained.

We were just exploring that, not the school or whatever. And he was just like, you're free to go. And two days later, we got arrested. So if we didn't take that as a bad sign. No, not even two days later. So after that, we were like, heart's pumping. It's going crazy. We hop in the car, go to our next abandoned spot, film that one.

Wow. 45 minutes after. On to the next. On to the next. We were like, this ain't going to stop us. Let's go. Oh my God. Okay.

But what about in terms of like being in a haunted environment? When have you felt like you were the most in danger oh devil's chair is a crazy story yeah a bunch like okay so since we've been doing this a long time it takes more and more for us to feel like we're in danger a lot of the times when we're getting these things uh like i said at the beginning it's more exciting it's more like if i can somehow prove to myself that this exists, then I'm intrigued. But this time, I was definitely not intrigued. You said you went to Zach Bagans' museum?

Yes. How did you like that? Well, the museum's amazing. It's incredible that it's two hours long. I heard it was a house in Vegas and that it's a two-hour tour. I'm like, how? Yeah. How's a two-hour tour?

There's so much shit there. Right. And there's so many things from serial killers and so many different haunted pieces of memorabilia. And there's the bed where Lamar Odom had a fucking overdose, which is weird. Like, why is this here? Oh, yeah. We ended up laying in that. We were the first to lay in that ever. The first? I don't think so.

The first sense that I had afterwards. No, after sitting in it, we're like, what are we sitting in? That was kind of gross. A lot. Imagine gathering all that stuff and putting it in one place. Right.

I wonder how that's affected Zach. What is that box in the center? The Dibbick box. Oh, the Dibbick box. Yeah. What is that? What's the story behind that? So the Dibbick in, like, Jewish folklore is apparently, like, a wandering spirit.

A lot of people say it's a demon. Who's you guys? That's me. Ah, ah. I thought they were talking about it. Okay, they're talking about the Dibbick the box maybe a little picture of it but yeah so anyway so apparently this this divot box is said to be able to trap a spirit inside of it and that way it's not going to be haunting a location um i don't know exactly because a lot of these divot

boxes are now like just fake random things that people put around. This one in particular I think was like the most rare, like the original one, like where the idea came from. And that's why people say it's like the most haunted Dybbuk box in the world. And whether or not you believe that, there has been so many people that have touched that box and immediately passed out or said as soon as they walked in they had bad luck for the next week even like uh i know post malone always talks about his story like touching talked about it on

this podcast oh yeah yeah if you go to the zack's museum it's him on the podcast they played a video of oh yeah talking about his experience oh i remember seeing that oh yeah yeah there it is so when you were when i was there there there's a feeling when you go in that room that I'm saying to myself, okay, am I mind fucking myself? Like, is this me going, oh, this box is haunted, so you should feel weird. Like, is this bullshit? But it didn't feel good. It felt like, oh, I should probably get a fuck. That guy shouldn't be here.

That's what I felt. When I was around that box, I was like, I don't think I want to be here. But was that because it's, I mean, the setting is really cool. Like what he's done with that museum is really fun. I recommend it. If you're in Vegas and you got some time during the day and you don't feel like blowing all your money at the slot machines, go there because it's really entertaining. Super cool. And the tour is very cool.

They do a great job with the tour. But there's so much stuff there. There's so much haunted shit and so much memorabilia, even if you don't believe in ghosts. even if you don't believe in ghosts. I mean, they have memorabilia from Ted Bundy and Charles Manson and Ed Gein. Celebrities that have passed, not even from serial killers, but just... They have the bus where the fucking Dr. Death was killing people in it. What's his name? No.

What is his name? I forget his name. Assisted suicide guy, right? Yeah, that guy. Kevorkian. Yeah, Jack Kevorkian. Yeah, they have his fucking van. They have his van.

There's Volkswagen bus, which is bizarre. There's so much weird shit in that museum that you walk out and you're like. You get out and you're like. And you saw the clips they play. They literally play clips there of people fainting and projectile vomiting and stuff. So it puts it in your mind. Yes.

First five minutes that this is going to be horrible. No, there's legit footage of people that are patrons that are just customers who go there and faint. Often, too. The day that we rolled up, someone was being wheeled out on a stretcher i was like what is going on like well it's the mind fuck right because like if you're someone who's got a fragile mind and then you're in that room alone you know with that box just that alone

and what's the doll the haunted doll yeah peggy peg Peggy. You can't look her in the eyes. Peggy's creepy. Peggy's very creepy. Peggy's creepy. We don't like Peggy. But just the way they set it up, how it's all the music and the dark rooms and the weird lighting that's flickering. It's a great job. He does a great job with it.

It's really fun. It's a good time. But, you know, it's like the whole time you're saying, like, how much of this is just my mind playing tricks on me? Right. Yeah, and there's definitely a part of that. Every haunted location you go into, it's like you know what you're getting yourself into. And so you're kind of expecting and or opening yourself up to having those types of experiences. Has there ever been a time where you knew that you were opening yourself

up to these things, but it still shocked you? Tell them about Devil's Chair. That's crazy. Yeah. At that location, just, you know, for example, so in Zach Bagan's museum, one of the most haunted, if not the most haunted object in the whole museum, I don't know if you saw it, probably did, the Devil's Rocking Chair. Yes. There it is. So we actually were able to sit. He gave us permission. We were the first people besides him and his team to sit in this chair. Yes. There it is. So we actually were able to sit. He gave us permission. We were the first people besides him and his team to sit in this chair. Yeah, so basically that was the only exhibit that he's

ever had to close down. Look at those girls. They're terrified. I don't know. Look at their faces. Look at their... Look at their faces. That looks so real. They're like, why did you bring us here? Were they with you guys? Yes. Oh my god. that like he had shut down of that museum because or that exhibit specifically because a lot of people were like complaining

about you know getting nauseous or throwing up or something like that's apparently the only uh artifact that he had to close off in that museum uh but for some reason he was like super nice to us and was like guys besides me no one's sat in that since the exorcism that had occurred on that chair so if you guys want to you guys can sit in it for the first time ever and that was one of those times like we're down to push the limit and stuff like that but that was one of those times that i actually like gather myself and be like we can do it like let's figure this out let's like not actually like overthink about it so what is what are you talking to like when you're saying

you've gone too far like you have headphones on and you have your blindfold on yeah so what's going on so this is one of like our experiments. It's called the Estes method. It relies on the theory that if you take away certain senses, other ones are enhanced. And so there's this thing called a spirit box that shuffles through different radio frequencies. And what I'm doing is I'm focusing on whatever it says. And I can't hear the questions that Colby and other people. You're hearing something in your ears? Yeah. Well, I'm hearing radio static, basically.

It's going... Hello. Really, really... Every once in a while, we'll break into a radio station where it'll be like a song or something that will be something saying or just a word will pop out. But mostly, you just hear static. And these are like noise-canceling headphones, and I can't see what they're saying. So it's basically...

Because you're blindfolded. You have this thing on. It's static, and I can't see what they're saying. So it's basically like – Because you're blindfolded. You have this thing on. It's static, and occasionally sounds come through that are words. Correct. And so you're just repeating those words? Well, so I'm out. I'm, like, watching him, and I'm asking questions out. And whatever's there is supposed to use the Estes method or, like, use Sam basically as the vessel to speak out.

The conduit of these. So, for example, I'd be like, are you here right now? And then he'd be like, yes, over there, or something like that. And so you're in this haunted rocking chair, and you're using this method with blindfolds on and the earplugs. Yeah, basically to sensory deprive myself so that no matter what, I couldn't be just faking an answer and hearing what he said and saying something random. So the theory is, yes, there will be other random words that happen because radio frequencies. However, but down to the coincidence theory, if things make sense over and over and over again to the questions that he's asking, then that is said to be more paranormal. So what did it feel like for you to be sitting in that creepy chair?

So during that, it was a whole different world. But what was really, really interesting is like, like Colby said, after doing this a lot, like it takes a lot for us to have a physical reaction. Although, yes, I was definitely terrified because of all the lore and the stories that were being told all up until this point. The guy telling us a hundred times, no one has ever done this before. You're about to be the first. It's terrifying. But sitting down on that chair for the first time, I think ever gave me a feeling of almost being paralyzed.

I don't know if you've ever been like hypnotized. Have you ever been hypnotized? So the feeling of being in hypnosis was almost immediate. As soon as I like sat down there, not when I was in the doing that like experiment, but prior to that where I couldn't necessarily feel my legs as much. And yes, like if you gave me, you know, like ultimatum, if you have to stand up right now or you're going to die, I could stand up. But like if you've been under hypnosis, it's like this pressure that you probably shouldn't do this or that your mind is being swayed to do something else. And to me, that pressure was don't stand up. So you felt like you were under a spell. Yeah.

And like the same thing with hypnosis. I've been hypnotized before. And like I said, if everything in my being wanted to stand up, yeah, I can stand up. Or I can not listen to like what's happening. However, if you allow yourself to like feel that the feeling was paralyzing and I like run a lot. So I always like use this as an example. It felt as though within seconds of sitting down on that chair, I had run five, 10 miles. Like it felt like I was sore and like my legs were like real, you know, like that like almost like sluggish feeling to like your muscles after like a big workout.

That's what I felt almost immediately. It was like so bizarre. And I'd never felt like that before. And still to this day, since that chair, I had never felt like that either. So when it comes to all of your paranormal experiences, that chair was the freakiest to you? That chair was the most physically changing. Again, I think the freakiest moments are always the beginning because it's the first time you ever hear anything. So that Queen Mary story was what changed my psyche the most.

That one was the most physically. Don't forget about the Robert the doll location, though. I've never seen Sam almost throw up from, and that was a huge physical reaction. That just happened. That just happened. Is this a new one? This is a newer one. We just came out with it last month.

Apparently, Robert the doll, if you don't know the story, have you ever heard of Annabelle? Yes. So Annabelle is a movie franchise that's based on a real doll. So the real doll is apparently the second most haunted in the world, doll is like apparently the second most haunted in the world. And Robert is the number one most haunted in the world. Robert's more haunted than Annabelle? Apparently. That's what people say.

When's he getting his movie? Exactly. He's got plenty of movies about him. He's just got a plain face? He needs better agents. I blurred it. Look on – You blurred it? Yeah.

We blurred it. We blurred it for purposes. But if you want to just Google image it. Why'd you blur it? It's because you're not supposed to Take pictures or film it That's like the biggest no-no And we're obviously there

Filming a YouTube video And funny enough Like going back to Zach Begans Show it, Jamie It's creepy looking If you stare Peggy In the eyes Like you get cursed

And so it's the same thing With this doll And so we blurred it For like our fans So your fans don't get cursed? Are we getting cursed right now? I don't know. We could be.

What the fuck, Jamie? Don't curse me. Do you want me to show it on the show? No. We could all die. No, what's interesting is like obviously there's all those stories, whatever. So what really gets us is when people have like their own personal experiences that they come and talk about. What we didn't realize is how many people had experiences with this doll.

Yeah. They calculated to more than 10,000 people have written in apology letters to Robert to ask for forgiveness because of the curse that he put on them. 10,000 individuals. Like maybe even if 50% of those are bullshit, there are 5,000 people out there that genuinely believe they have been cursed by this doll by taking a picture of it. Including Ozzy. Ozzy Osbourne. What? Ozzy wrote a letter?

Well, it wasn't a letter. He has Parkinson's. I think he has Parkinson's right now, I believe. And he blames that on Robert the Doll because the story is he there's like a big like touristy shop at the end and he bought like one of the little robert the doll plushies and like put it in a microwave and like just make fun of it and stuff and then

claims that he got parkinson's because of that well a lot of people get parkinson's without that. Ozzy Osbourne blames Year of Hell on Haunted Doll. Holy shit. Look at him. Oh, my God. The Black Sabbath rocker was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease last year and underwent spinal surgery following a fall at his home. Makes the claim that his family's new really, really TV show? Reality TV show, I guess it should have said. The Osbournes want to believe the show sees his son, Jack, 34, trying to persuade Ozzie, 71, mom, Sharon, 68, and sister Kelly, 35, to believe in the paranormal, including ghosts, UFOs, fairies, and werewolves.

Fairies. On one episode sees Jack produce a doll named Robert that he reveals is the original doll that inspired the Chucky horror movie franchise. Jack says the actual story of Robert the doll is that it's cursed by the spirit of his owner. If you disrespect him, make fun of him, take a picture without asking, or even handle him, you'll be cursed and terrible things will begin to happen in your life. Ozzy throws the doll to the floor saying, You think it's a fucking joke? It's bad luck. I keep telling you, you keep taking his fucking note,

but just look at what I'm saying. Just look at what's going on with me. You think it's a joke? Just look at me. It ain't bad luck. Is Ozzy in here right now? I was going to say, that was spot on. Well, fuck that doll yeah no i don't

i need that doll in my life no thank you but that's why we blurred his face right so you were in the presence of this doll yeah so and what is it like to be around this doll it's definitely weird because like we've been in a lot of haunted places um but it's different when you're dealing with haunted objects it's not like oh this the building and the vibe we're in is haunted. It's more like this specific thing that's in front of me. And what is the story behind this doll? Like why is it supposedly haunted? So this guy gave – it's like a three-and-a-half-foot tall doll.

It's like a life-size type of doll. It's really weird. He gave it to his son, and the son's name was Robert Otto. It was like Jean Robert Otto. Jean Robert Otto, or Robert Jean Otto. And he gave his first name and his clothes to this doll. And so the kid and the doll became best friends for years and years and years. And he basically embodied this guy and just became Robert himself.

this guy and just became robert himself but over the course of his childhood and all the way up until i think he left his parents house to go to college he would have horrible things happen to him because of this doll and this doll was allegedly taken from like germany at this uh the shop the same the company was like a style it was called the stife the same company that created like the original teddy bear yeah created same company that created the original teddy bear. Created this doll. So from the original teddy bear company, he brought this doll from Germany to give this guy in Florida. And throughout his entire childhood, chairs would be moved. All these horrible bad luck things would happen. To the parents, it would seem like he was arguing with someone in the room.

And they'd hear two voices. And then when the parents would run into the room it was just him and the doll and just creepy because the parents would say that they heard like their little kid's voice and then like an older deep like man's voice oh talking back and forth and apparently that was robert but the big theory about robert is that he was also one of these like egregore in an object sort of uh like i don't know creatures i guess puppets i guess you could say um because gene would always blame everything that he did wrong on the doll so like if he would like if you know furniture would be like all around his room or whatever his parents would come try to ground him he'd be like no robert did it and so all that negativity going towards

this doll for his entire life like this is why people believe that it has evil to it. It manifested this evil. Just imagine being outside your child's room and you hear your kid talking and then you hear someone responding. Like an old man. Just like a low voice. No, that's not what we're going to do, Billy.

I would cry. And then you open up the door and it's just a doll sitting there with your kid. And it looks like that? Yeah. That's a dead face doll too. There's something creepy about the lack of expression that doll has. For real.

And the crazy thing too is like our guides there were saying that it will like swallow every once in a while. You could see it blink and stuff. Oh no. Messed up. What's crazy is like this same guy, he went off to be an artist, and he did his whole career. And when he was in his older age, he came back to the house. And for 10 or 15 years, he kept this doll upstairs in his attic and put a whole three-foot version of his house upstairs. So like a short couch and a short desk, all for Robert.

Oh, my God. He'd go up there and have conversations for hours and hours on end. So this old man is having this conversation with the doll in a, like a smaller version of a living room. So, so terrifying. As rumor would have it, the Ottos and their servants would often hear Gene in his bedroom having conversations with himself in two entirely different voices. Furthermore, the Ottos would wake up in the middle of the night to Gene screaming

only to find the frightened boy in bed surrounded by overturned furniture. Gene would blame Robert the doll for messing up the bedroom while Robert would glare at Gene from the foot of the bed. Soon after, mutilated toys and mysterious happenings would appear in the home, only

to have Gene proclaim each time, Robert did it. Here's the thing. Imagine if that's real. Right. Like, what if a demon can manifest itself inside of a doll occasionally? Just every now and then, a little fucking opening in the dimensions pops out, and this thing manages to, and it can't assume a physical form,

but it can sort of embody itself in some sort of an object, like a doll, something cute. Yeah, which is so terrifying, too, because when it's a little doll or something cute or whatever, like a lot of these things that you say is like a little girl spirit or something. It's like cute. It's like, oh, it's innocent.

Like, I want to open up to that. But then, boom, like maybe it's not. Well, that's why Chucky was such a fucking great movie. Yeah. You know, to have that thing. I mean, well, this doll, I think, is what's said to have been inspired. It did. Or like Chucky inspired, got inspired from. And the Annabelle movie is about a real doll, I think, is what's said to have been inspired. It did. Or like Chucky inspired, got inspired from.

And the Annabelle movie is about a real doll too? Yeah. So that's a real doll that's in Ed and Lorraine Warren's museum that they've kept away for many years. They even have a priest once a day come and bless the doll because they're scared of what it does to people. One time every day? I think every single day, yeah. Maybe the priest, he's got a racket going on. Listen, I've got to keep coming back.

Can we see Annabelle the doll, what it really looks like? The real haunted Annabelle doll? It looks like a rag doll. It's the same thing, right? So that's it? Yeah, I think that's it. Well, that's not nearly as creepy as Annabelle in the movie. It's like Raggedy Ann.

Yeah. That seems pretty normal. Yeah, exactly. And so they made it terrifying. Annabelle in the movie is fucking horrible looking.gedy Ann. Right. Yeah. That seems pretty normal. Yeah, exactly. And so they made it terrifying. Annabelle in the movie is fucking horrible looking. Yeah. The real Annabelle doll.

Now look at Annabelle in the movie. Jesus Christ, Annabelle in the movie is so terrifying. So they did a great job in making her creepier. Very much so.

Very good job. There's a few of those Annabelle movies, right? If they made the whole movie with that thing, that would be creepy too. Oh my. Nah. It would be weird. I wouldn't be scared of that bitch-ass Raggedy Ann.

Go say that to her face. I'd be like, sit down. Shut up before I light you on fire. I thought about Chucky. Yeah, but Annabelle, the one on the left, freaks me out. Yeah, that's freaky. By Robert the Doll, just to finish that story,

we all split up, like Colby's saying. Recently, we were by, Robert the Doll, just to finish that story. So we all split up, like Colby's saying, like recently we've been splitting up a lot. To scare each other more, right? Just to scare each other more, you know. But part of the museum, so the entire museum is kind of like Zach Bain's museum.

It has a bunch of different artifacts and it was a fort actually, for a war I'm blanking on which one. What museum is this? It's called Fort East Martello and like it's mainly just filled with a bunch of haunted objects. And where's that at? Fort, actually, for a warm blank. What museum is this? It's called Fort East Martello. And, like, it's mainly just filled with a bunch of haunted objects. And where's that at?

It's in the Keys. Yeah. Florida Keys? Yeah. Key West. So there's a section of this fort that used to store all the bodies that, like, had died during, you know, whatever said war it was. And I was walking down through this corridor and we're there for probably like 30 minutes or something like that. Definitely hearing sounds, a lot of like weird, creepy things. Again, sometimes the equipment goes off and that's definitely

interesting. It was definitely putting me on edge, but I had a feeling that I'd never gotten before. And out of actually like nowhere, I hadn't, I hadn't like felt nauseous or anything like that. Out of nowhere nowhere i just turned the corner and i'm looking down this hallway and i just immediately start dry heaving like i'm like gagging throwing up or whatever like that and i've just like it wasn't even for i don't know i wasn't even thinking about the video i just immediately left the area i didn't even think about it and i walk outside and the guys the the tour guide or whatever is on the outside of the premise and he like sees me and he's like sees me

And he's like dude your fuck your face is white like what what went on as I truly don't know I've never had a reaction like nauseousness or anything like that And I genuine just like out of nowhere gagged probably like ten times dry He came up. It was just like weirdly dry heaving. Yeah, it was choking like disgusting But what was scary is like so it was me and my buddy nate that who we know since high school like he's been one of our best friends forever so we've known sam since he was 15 type thing we've both never seen sam ever act like that it got so bad that nate and i were doing like our own like individual investigations and the guide came and got me and

was like yo you should go check on your buddy outside. Like, he's, like, throwing up outside. And I run out there. And, yeah. And what people don't, like, always forget about is it doesn't just affect us in the moment. But we get done filming. And we have these things called paranormal hangovers where it affects us for a long time. Like, days after. But this is, yeah, the moment.

Paranormal hangovers. Paranormal hangover. The world's most haunted doll. He's just gagging. So this is after being in Robert's presence? Yeah, this is the end of the night. How close were you to Robert? So they unfortunately wouldn't let us touch it.

Unfortunately. Unfortunately. How about fortunately? Probably fortunately. They put like a plexiglass, yeah, right there. It's probably about a two and a half feet away. So he's behind that glass. Yeah.

And this is all in the keys. Is that place as cool as Zach's museum? I would say that specific doll is super, super famous, but Zach has definitely put on a cooler environment. Zach has way more. Way more. Like hundreds of more things. Two hours of stuff that you walk through in a house.

It's pretty impressive. But this seems pretty creepy too. Yeah, you got to see this place too. It's super awesome. This place. Did you say it used to be a fort? Yeah. It looks like a fort.

It looks pretty dope. And so you encounter Robert and then you start, what is the feeling? Was it immediate? No. So I left Robert and I went off my own. And that was probably 30 minutes from the time I was even near Robert to the other area. So we don't know. But the theory goes afterwards we talk to the tour guide and be like, what could have that been?

Was that Robert? And he's like, maybe. But the people that were buried there in that corridor died of yellow fever. And so, or most of them did. And the last little part of yellow fever is like you're throwing up blood over and over and over again. Black blood. And gold or whatever like that. And then you die.

So, like, you're experiencing their last moments. Yeah. you're experiencing their last moments. Yeah, so like the traumatic energy of the last breaths and the last times of all these people's lives was then reflected onto me. That might even be more fucked than Robert. Yeah, I definitely think so, because the yell fever, if you dive into that,

like is gruesome. Like I was telling you about my stepdad having that experience at Gettysburg. I would imagine that like if enough people will die in an area there's i mean if that's real if there if things can have a memory you would think that there'd be something that just lingers on right the last moments of your life you're throwing up blood and you're realizing this is the end you're in agony and you don't want to leave that's the thing like if your last moment alive it's like i don't want to die then what if you accidentally

like trap yourself i don't know right if you can't relax and say i'm ready i'm ready to go you're not ready for the next part it gets so meta and confusing because then yeah you it's like if you're religious it's like well you would go to heaven but it's like how do you know like spirits don't have the the opportunity to walk around earth for a little bit before they move on to the light i don't know i'd be god if i knew right maybe there's like a consciousness to being a spirit and maybe you got to get your shit together as a spirit before they let you go on and maybe some spirits are just losers and they just can't they just can't figure it out. They can't accept the fact that they're a spirit.

There's no promotion involved. Oh, man. Did you, what did it feel like to look at Robert? That was really weird because when we came into the museum, they had it covered. So they had like a cloth over it and they offered us like, do you want to see it? And we're like, no, we want to wait until we're on camera first. And, you know, again, back to this hype hype up we had been researching this for the last like week we'd heard all the horror stories we just heard about the 10 000 apology letters and they even

had us like read some of them and then we get to look at it it was like definitely like we shouldn't be here it wasn't like i didn't think immediately we were in danger however you know our dumb ass is trying to get content we immediately were like all right as soon as we see him let's take a picture of him and that's the one thing that you're not supposed to do and so our disrespect or take pictures disrespectful our entire concept of the video was like you know you hear that if you take a picture of this doll you're gonna get cursed let's test that theory we didn't know and so we were like all right as soon as we see this doll let's take a picture and then throughout the night. We'll see what happens

There were definitely was things that have happened But the main gist of it was like do we feel cursed after we took this picture? It's so easy for someone to dismiss that right, but if there was just one doll One doll that was haunted all the other dolls are fine dolls are fine. What's wrong with you come on Sam But then one fucking doll just one doll you look at that doll, and there's something inside of that doll Here you see it wink, and how do you explain that to somebody? Way, and it's just cool. Oh God, oh you see it go yeah, it's wallow then you're the crazy one

What did you guys ever go to the Amityville Horror House? They don't let you let you in there. Did you guys ever go to the Amityville Horror House? They don't let you in there. We've been trying to contact the owners for like years. Really? Yeah. If they're going to invite, let's do it. Do people live in that house? I think so.

I think it's just not even a business. It's just people live there and are like, fuck off. I think that's one of the places that they change the address in the street so that people can find it. It's very recognizable because of the window pattern. Exactly. The way the windows look. That movie scared the shit out of me. When I was a kid.

How much of that is like the movie is based on the truth or is it just made up? Remember like he broke through the wall and he went into the other side and there was like a demon behind the wall or some shit. I saw that movie when I was like 10 years old. Yeah, it was a long time ago. It's a very vague recollection. How old is that movie, Amityville Horror? Let's see, book, 77, movie, 79.

Okay, so I was like 12. The murders happened in 74. Wow, quick after the movies. The murders were out. They were like, we need a fucking movie. This is a sick story. Let's go. Let's do it.

Let's capitalize on it. I mean, they really capitalized pretty quick. They did. That's all I remember is the murder part of it. I didn't remember if there was alleged demons during the real life version. Yeah, it was like a normal guy, and then he lived in this house, then killed his whole family, right? And then there was a thing you broke through the wall. I remember, see if you can find the scene.

There's like a scene where he breaks through the wall, and I remember that freaking me out as a 12-year-old going, Like this idea of like, you know, your dad breaking through this hole in the wall. Oh, God, yeah. What's it with the axes? You know, apparently dad breaking through this hole in the wall. Oh, God. Yeah. What's it with the axes? You know, apparently every murder just do axes. Well, it's just a scary way to die, man.

Oh, that is a scary way to die. Jack Nicholson in The Shining. Yeah, literally. Oh, speaking of The Shining. Wendy, I'm home. Have you ever been to The Stanley Hotel? No, I have not. Dude.

That's our most viewed video. Magnificent hotel. Yeah. Oh, my God. So the Stanley was the inspiration for The Shining, right? Yes. Correct. And is that the upstate New York hotel, or is it the Colorado?

Colorado. That's all Colorado. It's in Estes Park, which created the Estes method that we were just telling you about. Oh. Which is the experiment. Oh. Yeah, so one of our episodes, we went to the Stanley Hotel and interviewed the guy that created that experiment

for the paranormal. But the Stanley Hotel is pretty widely known as the most haunted place in the United States. Hotel-wise, at least. Hotel-wise, yeah. What did you guys experience there? That was one of our first experiences ever. I think that was like the...

Before we had equipment, really. Before we had equipment, that video was our most viewed video. I think it was like the... Before we had equipment, really. Before we had equipment, that video was our most viewed video of week, I think it was right after our like, arrest. And it wasn't like we got crazy equipment type of things, but we heard scratching sounds and like

different knocks on like doors and stuff. And I think even our, one of our cameras like flipped over or something. But that was four years ago or five years ago. Well, what's interesting about the Stanley is there's this part that's literally in the front room um called the vortex where there's just a bunch of mirrors on each side that are pointed towards each other and the theory is in the paranormal world that that can like create a portal mirrors facing each other or like spirits can become trapped through mirrors and stuff um and so that was like the coolest part of the entire place.

It's known to be a Disneyland resort for ghosts. And so anything could like pass in there. It's like a giant portal. There's one of the most famous paranormal pictures ever taken at the Stanley. If you just type in like Stanley Hotel, like ghost photo, this is all over the news. There's like staircase ghost or something.

Staircase ghost is huge. But yeah, we just went recently back um this last year we still haven't been able to get to the main room which was what the shining was inspired by uh it was uh it was back yeah go to that was this one was right then it was yeah that one there it is yeah that one what am i looking at that and then well if you scroll down a little bit, there's a second picture of it right there Oh, no, no, no, I guess I go to back the first one That one yeah, and then scroll down that middle one Yeah, all the people in that and then right there you're right on the stairs Yeah, that one hit the news Because there's so many people

That were right there And then for some reason It's like a little girl It looks like Hmm But everything's blurry Look That lady coming down the stairs

Is blurry There's a little bit of movement Whatever in front of her Is blurry Right That is true Right That picture sucks

That kid's a ghost That kid talking to his mom's a ghost She's a ghost Everybody's a fucking ghost Yeah That picture sucks Go back to the a ghost. That kid talking to his mom's a ghost. She's a ghost. Everybody's a fucking ghost. That picture sucks. Go back to the first one. That's a good point. Yeah, that picture sucks.

But that one's weird. So what is happening in this one? I think it's supposed to just resemble the same area two times in a row having a translucent figure. having a translucent figure. Again, pictures are always hit or miss, and there's a lot of times that people will be like, oh, an orb or something. Bro, there are a million phony Bigfoot pictures.

What do they call them? Blob squatches. People just see shadows like, look, you can see a face, and here's his armpit. Because people want to see things in still photos. And there's some psychology behind, we're always searching for faces. So we'll figure out a face on anything. Sure, on Mars.

Yeah, people find faces in shadows on planets. You ever see the face on Mars? No. I see the face on the moon, but not on Mars. Yeah, there was a guy named Hoagland, Richard Hoagland. Oh, shit. Oh, that's kind of terrifying. Yeah, but what it really is is just shadows on a piece

of rock. For sure. It's just in one image, though, I feel like this was one of the very early explorations of Mars. Viking 1. Cydonia, Viking 1.

So in Cydonia, there was this guy, though, that was – is that guy still alive, Hoagland? I think his name is Richard Hoagland. But he would, like, milk this for all it's worth, and he made a series of videos talking about the geometry that you could find in Cydonia is impossible to to create in nature and this only means there has to have been an advanced civilization that existed on Mars and the government's hiding this from us it was one of those things and of course he seemed at least a little out of his fucking mind yeah but

when you smoke a lot of pot and watch documentaries, those are ones that'll get you. His one got me a couple of times. I was like, is this guy right? I'm one of those people I was convinced that the original Bigfoot footage Do you ever see the

Patterson Bigfoot footage? No. It's so fake. We'll show you that in a minute. It's so fake. We'll show you that in a minute. It's so fake. But I remember one time being barbecued, looking at that, thinking it was real. I was like, maybe it's real. Oh my god, maybe I'm an asshole. Maybe I've been mocking Bigfoot this whole time, but it's real. It's coming after you next.

Oh, what? This is stabilized. People have worked on it, so you know that. They stabilized the image, because the real image, the guy was on a horse. And by the way, the guy was a con man. All these kooks that want to believe this, there's a whole series of things that go to it. First of all, the guy who took this footage was arrested for fraud, for not paying for the very camera that he used to film this footage.

Then there was a guy who looks just like, you can see the thing, that's the stabilized version of it. That's creepy. The real version of it. That's the dude, though. What is the dude's name? Bob Hieronymus? Yeah, Bob Hieronymus. Bob Hieronymus is this guy who claims that it was him in the dude, though. What is the dude's name? Bob Hieronymus? Yeah, Bob Hieronymus. Bob Hieronymus is this guy who claims

that it was him in the suit, and that's him. He walks like Bigfoot. And he's a big, giant dude, too. Big ol' cowboy. And not only that, there was an actual gorilla suit that this guy, Patterson, had bought. There was a person who sold him a gorilla suit,

and then there was another name guy named gimlin bob gimlin i believe gimlet or gimlin who was also involved in this who also said that it was a hoax so there's no saving that footage it's horseshit yeah but if you believe enough if you get loony and one time i got loony for like five minutes i thought it was real i was like i think it might be real we've taken a lot of pictures. And again, like we said, I don't think we're really on that wave of like believing that I'm going to just video the corner and there's going to be someone there. There's one time that we ever got something that was convincing of us being like, maybe this is something. When our first time at the Conjuring house, if you just type in Sam and Colby Conjuring thermal photo.

Coolest thing we've ever captured. Hands down. For pictures. So our buddy was pointing down a thermal camera, and you can take a picture of it. And through this gap, she sees there's a window at the end of the hall. She sees a face. And she's like, what the? Boom. She was a medium, by the of the hall um she sees like a face and she's like what the boom she was a medium by the way yeah she sees a face herself but then she's like no i see

something on the camera too click the photo and then she shows us this picture um and to us okay so the left side of the screen doesn't like that's not part of it that's like a different yeah it's only on the right but like that right side um is apparently like what we That's like a different video. But like that right side is apparently like what we think is like a child's face with you can see a hair swoop, eyes, nose, two eyes, mouth. Looks like our haircut. The corner of your shoulder right there as well.

Or it could be a squash. A squash. Or it could be a deer heart. Could be a lot of things. A thermal resonance though. Of some sort. Yeah. It was in a window.

And we were inside, so don't, like, ignore the thing on the left. We were inside pointing at a window. You were inside pointing at a window. And this is something peeking. On the second floor, too. So it's not someone that's just a kid looking in. I thought ghosts were supposed to be cold. Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting.

I don't know, actually. Wouldn't you imagine that ghosts were cold? Like, if you're in a room, you're like, oh, something cold just walked past me. Right. Right? That's a good point. Yeah. You can go either way.

Like is a pocket of energy always going to be cold? Right. Maybe it's a demon. Maybe it's not a ghost. Maybe demons are hot. Coming from hell, right? Yeah. That would make sense.

How long do you guys think you could do this? Do you think you just keep going to all these little haunted spots all over the world and keep doing this? Have you thought about it? I mean, that's the thing is we've just scratched the surface. We've been doing this for four years, but we've been international twice to do Haunted. Only twice. Imagine all the countries we haven't been to just to explore these places. So we could essentially, if we really wanted to do this for a very, very long time.

But who knows? We're taking it year by year. Our plan right now, like, obviously we love the haunted stuff. And there's endless amount of spots. And there's always more interesting things we can do and experiments we can get into or more alone investigations. Well, also, it's wildly successful. I mean, you guys have millions of followers on YouTube.

Your videos are massive. So it's like, you're, it's obviously working. So like, if you wanted to do something else, it'd be really risky. Yeah. Well, we also just want to kind of make our haunted empire, I guess you could say, like into like a bigger thing. Like we're,

we've been in talks of maybe creating our own haunted house in the future. Like an IRL haunted house or like side businesses like that. We're getting into other parts of the mystery stuff. So like we love, you know, we love the haunted, but there's so many other avenues of mystery that are so easily talked about. Like what other stuff are you guys interested in? Like true crime, like all these unsolved mysteries are so interesting. We loved the Villisca, like shooting that video because Sam and I went like super hard with the research and we like fell in love with that process of telling the story.

And so why not create like a story time true crime channel? That's almost more fucked up to me because those are real stories that 100% people were killed by other people. And it's just like, oh, you have to sit with that. Yeah, it's definitely harsh. That and conspiracy theories and all these other things. and it's just like, ugh, you have to sit with that. Yeah, it's definitely harsh. That and conspiracy theories and all these other things. There's millions of things in this mystery realm that aren't just haunted, which is exciting to us, as well as, like you said, other business ventures and part of it.

But again, most of this recently has been much more about other people's experiences rather than just ours. So the majority of our content is taking other influencers or other people like that, maybe even sometimes they don't even believe, and giving them experience that will change the way they think. We started out with our friends, like you said, our hometown friends, and that was great and all. But now we love taking people that may not even believe or

maybe be on the fence they're interested in this stuff but then when they see these things like two or three times this last year we took someone that had never had an experience before and they come on an adventure with us and they see us like a full-on shadow figure more than us and their lives are changed they're sitting there crying in front of us when she got scratched we went to the washout club which was um kind of fun it's uh it was like literally what created zach bagans like in his ghost adventures and stuff um so we went to go investigate and we brought like a youtube friend there and uh we were just like did you scratch yourself on the back and it was like in the dead center of her back almost to where it looked like it was bleeding to be honest um and she started

freaking out and of course it wasn't her and this is like a guess this is not us like if you don't viewers out there don't believe us because we do it all the time it's like believe the guests that we have on at least and this one guy we had on was like a complete skeptic he's like there's no way any of this is real at like three-fourths through the night he's like come over here come over right now i'm seeing someone right in front of my eyes like i see a shadow figure and he's freaking out. He's like, I want to get out. I want to walk away. I do not want to be in this building anymore.

This is freaking me out. He's a non-believer. And those are those certain circumstances that we're like, okay, see, this is why we bring other people on here. Because it's like, it's not just us saying this, not just us like having those experiences as anybody. That's what freaks me out. I wonder how much you can mind fuck yourself and whether or not that's how you can see things.

Like not saying that they're not real, but like if you can mind fuck yourself into a place of real fear. Right. And that maybe that opens up doors. For sure. But it's also more interesting when you want things to happen. Because at the end of the day, like the reason why we do this is because if we were to prove on either way, we'd rather prove that it's real because that means there's something else out there. Also, it's way more fun. And it's way more fun.

Like, you know, how many stories are you going to tell at 3 a.m. with your friends that you're just like, yeah, this isn't real. Let's go to sleep. Or if it is real, like all these other things. It's just so much interesting and so much more of a bonding experience with your friends when you do capture things and we are open to these things to happen if it turns out ozzy got parkinson's just because he's like a 71 year old dude who did a ton of coke it's not as fun as most likely it's way more exciting yeah the doll got him exactly 100 this fucking dual it's way more exciting for sure

but listen gentlemen it's been really fun talking to you I really enjoyed this likewise and congratulations

on all your success and don't get killed by any demons or ghosts try not and if anything crazy happens let me know

we'll come back and do it again thanks for having us on my pleasure thank you bye everybody Thank you so much. My pleasure. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.