The Joe Rogan Experience - #1928 - Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Jimmy Corsetti is the independent researcher behind "Bright Insight": a YouTube channel exploring ancient mysteries and lost civilizations. Ben van Kerkwyk is an independent researcher and creator of UnchartedX.com and the UnchartedX YouTube channel, dedicated to exploring the mysteries of the past with a focus on ancient engineering, precision, and technology. www.youtube.com/c/BrightInsight   www.rumble.com/c/BrightInsight www.unchartedx.com   www.youtube.com/c/unchartedx

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! We're up. What's happening? Hi Joe, how you doing? Good to see you again. Ben, nice to meet you. It's a pleasure to meet you as well, Joe. I've enjoyed your videos, and I've enjoyed your videos, of course.

Jimmy, I watched your whole series on Atlanta all day today. I've been watching for hours. I've been watching impact videos, videos about the Atlanta structure. And so let's just get into it. Let's do it. So the Rishat structure, I was on your show a little over a year ago and shared some details about it. To people who aren't aware, there's a location in the western Sahara Desert of Mauritania called the Rishat Structure.

It's also commonly referred to as the Eye of the Sahara. It is a site that most people have never seen or heard of before, which is truly peculiar because it's so spectacular. It's a site that astronauts typically use to reference from space. It is a geological feature that is said to be volcanic in nature. And what's so spectacular about this is that it just so happens to match more than a dozen striking similarities to what Plato had described as the lost ancient capital city of Atlantis. I almost feel like we're not going to do your video justice by just talking about it because the video is so good and you go into so many details. By the end of it, my jaw was dropped. I was like, holy shit. Like from what you had the last time you were on the podcast to what you put out now, it's even more compelling. Way more compelling. more compelling, way more compelling. I appreciate you saying that. And I guess to anyone that wants to check it out, I have a YouTube channel called Bright Insight. It's right at the top of the page.

And it says lost ancient Roman map has Atlantis and Sahara, Africa. And that's kind of where it goes from there is that there is a, actually, let me just mention real quick, like you're a very inquisitive individual. You have many interesting people that come and chat with you. And when I had asked you last time, you said that until you had saw my video, you'd never seen or heard of the wrist shot structure. Anytime I meet somebody new or if I'm at some party and be like, oh, what do you do? And we start chatting about YouTube. The first thing I do now is I show them a picture of the wrist shot. And I've never, not once, ever come across one single person that has seen or heard of it before, other than people who are familiar with what I've shared. But there's so many things like where the water flows to the

south, where there's clear evidence of water erosion that took place after the volcano. There's so much that points to that possibly being Atlantis. It's spectacular. So just to run down real quick, Plato had described Atlantis as being the capital. Let me just mention that because it was an empire said to be made up of 10 kingdoms. And what I'm focusing on is the lost capital city, which was said to be made up of concentric circles, three of water, two of land,

which matches the Rishat structure. It also was said to have an opening to the sea at the south. And if you look at it from satellite imagery, you can clearly see that water had ran through it. Let's take a look at that. Tell Jamie what image to pull up so we can... And furthermore, it was said to have mountains to the north. And you just so happen to have mountains called the Atlas Mountain Chain, which Atlas was said to be the very first king of Atlantis. And what's interesting is that the very first known king of Mauritania, which is where the

Rishat structure is located, is also, their very first known king was also named Atlas. And though I'm not saying that that's the same individual, but what we do today is we pass down names, right? Like people like, oh, my dad's name is John and so is my son. And so it's another striking similarity, but it goes further than that. Like there's geological similarities, such as the fact that Atlantis was said to be made up of red, black, and white color stone, which is another similarity you see at the Rishat structure. It was said to have an abundance of gold and that the outer walls is loaded with gold. And not only that, the richest person ever known to exist in all of mankind is Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire, which consisted partly of modern-day Mauritania.

And he was so rich from gold that he would be richer than Elon Musk and Bezos combined almost. Like many unfathomable amount of billions of dollars. So that's another similarity. What year was this? Oh, this is 1300s or 1400s. There we are. Yeah, there we are. 1312, 1337. What a great name too. Yeah. But the similarities don't end there. There was said to be an abundance of elephants, which is one reason why to suggest that Atlantis would have been in Africa is because, well,

besides the fact that elephants are known to be in throughout Africa, they used to be in Mauritania. They're unfortunately pretty much extinct there today. But another little detail that most people aren't aware of because they think of Atlantis like, oh, it must be at the bottom of the ocean. Well, that's not exactly how Plato worded it. He did describe that the aftermath of Atlantis followed a catastrophic event involving water is that what was left of Atlantis was reeds of grass and a shoal of mud that prevented ships from navigating to and from. And what people don't realize is that Sahara Africa up until about 4,500 to 5,000 years ago was totally green. It was tropical. It had

the largest network or one of the largest networks of rivers ever known to exist. It had the largest network or one of the largest networks of rivers ever known to exist. It had the largest freshwater lake ever known to exist, which is Mega Lake Chad, which just to put this into perspective, it is – if you take all the North American Great Lakes combined, that's 94,000 square miles of surface area, whereas Mega Lake Chad was 139,000. Whoa. Massive. to 839,000. Massive. Additionally, Atlantis, the capital, was said to have a river that went just north of it or next to it. And the Tamanrasat River went right through the Rishat structure or just north of it, went all the way to the Atlas Mountains that I described, which is in modern-day Morocco. And the evidence is that it existed at that same period of time when Atlantis was said to be around 11,600 years ago prior to its destruction up until about 5,000 years ago. So going back to my point, like a lot of people see the Sahara Desert, and they don't realize

that this place was unbelievably different than it is today. And one of the things that's so important is that I know some people listening will, you know, they hear Atlantis, they think, oh, it didn't exist. Whether it existed or not, the evidence that we're going to chat about today to show you that there is conclusive evidence, I would say, that catastrophic water erosion, that the ocean had blasted through the Sahara, tens of millions of years more recently than previously known. According to the science, 56 to 66 million years ago was the time of the Trans-Saharan Seaway, which was the last time the ocean blasted through it. However, there are a few lines of evidence that say otherwise. Besides the fact that anyone that

looks at the Sahara Desert through the Google Earth app, you can see fluvial striations, which is signature traits of water erosion. This is confirmed by other experts that look into these things. I like to mention Randall Carlson. He's someone that's analyzed the area and has said, yes, this is catastrophic water erosion. So one of the signature lines of evidence that suggests that the ocean blasted through it far more recently was the largest volcano in Sahara Africa is in Chad. It's Mount Kusi. And there is a lava flow that goes through it that is dated at 12,000 or so years ago. The volcano itself is supposed to be somewhere between 1.2 and 2.3 million years ago. But if you look at Mount Kusi to the south, you can see, and I don't

know, Jamie, if you're able to bring up one to the south, you can see, and I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to bring up one of the photos of that mountain chain, but you can see that the water erosion cuts off that lava flow directly to the south. Yeah, keep going over a little bit right there. Okay, so go over a couple, that is the mountain. And you can see those striations, which are signature traits of water erosion. All those white blemishes are salt. And I should point out real quick that it is a confirmed fact that much of the Sahara has surface level salt. And you see those white blemishes on that mountain? That is not clouds. That is not snow. Those are salt deposits. And surface level salt that would have been

from the ocean? That is what I suggest, because in the middle of that caldera, you have huge patches of salt. And is it reasonable to suggest that that salt existed before the creation of that volcano? Because it seems to me that all that molten – that salt would burn up. And not only that, there is scientific studies that show that there are gastropods, which are sea life, that existed inside that caldera that used to be 1,000 feet deep and dried up just a few thousand years ago. So the fact that this is an 11,000-foot volcano that has salt on top of it, I would say, is corresponding evidence that the ocean had once went through it. And if you go over a couple more images, Jamie, you will see far better images that show you that. Okay, so notice how it cuts off. You see to the black right here?

That is a lava flow that's dated around 12,000 or so years ago. And regardless of whether the volcano or that water erosion happened 12,000 years ago or 2 million years ago, that in itself is evidence that the ocean blasted through the Sahara Desert literally 50 to 60 million years more recently than previously known. And the implications of this as far as climate science, as far as the topic of geology and cataclysms cannot be overstated. I mean, does it not look like that water, excuse me, that lava flow was cut off by whatever type of erosion that is? Does it? I mean, that's. Yeah, completely. Yeah, it's such a clean line. And it aligns with all the water erosion marks that are to the left of it

can make that smaller Jamie can you make it stretch it out yeah and I'll start go ahead nothing it's just like you could really clearly see that it looks like a line like a water line passed through what was marked by the volcanic eruption. And this is one thing I say, I'm like, it's visible to anyone that has eyes to see, but it turns out that the Sahara Desert is one of the least studied places on Earth, mostly because it's so inhospitable. It's an average of 125 degrees Fahrenheit much of the year. It is so unbelievably big that just to get out there, I mean, you need reliable aircraft or vehicles. There is – most of the countries out there are, I regret to say, third world in that you just don't have supplies.

It's not feasible to just travel out there with a whole team on a whim. So most of it is essentially undocumented, and it's not a site – the Sahara as a whole isn't a site that gets much attention, unfortunately. Ben, we got to bring you in, otherwise it's going to talk forever. No, I was going to say something that you mentioned about the origin of, I guess, Plato's description. You said it was mud and grasses was like the aftermath. It's interesting. It's the topic I've been exploring recently is that that does match some of the translations

of origin stories from the ancient Egyptians. So it's like the Temple of Horus at Edfruits is an amazing structure, but it's literally covered head to toe in hieroglyphs and descriptions and all these types of things. But one of the stories in the translations they do talk about is what they would call the original point or the primordial mound, the primordial island. They describe it as being an island that was surrounded by water that was sinking. And essentially these reeds that were

growing on it that created a falcon's perch. And then the god, it was either Horus or Hurun, one of the falcon gods, alights on this perch and then gains divinity. But as part of that story, I mean, and then he goes and forms Kemet, essentially the motherland Egypt. And it's this tale of them, I guess, their civilization moving and migrating to this new land. But they do talk about a whole stack of unknown gods and a whole culture that existed before that. It's an interesting correlation. It's something that Graham Hancock speculated about in his work with the Temple of Horus at Edfu. They also have catastrophic flood myths and things like this, but it may be that whatever prior civilization, and that might have been where the dynastic

Egyptians actually got their origins from, because it seems clear that they've inherited some things from the past. That's a story they themselves tell. Yeah. I wasn't aware that the story of Atlantis had come from Egypt. That's one of the most bizarre parts about it. I didn't know this until just a few years ago either. It's like, oh, wait a second. Plato didn't just, Plato, his distant relative Solon had traveled there in search of knowledge because Egypt was the place to go for it. Yeah. It was the priests of the Delta that told Solon. And they said that, yeah, so 6,000 years or 9,000 years, sorry, prior to the time of Solon was when the sinking of this city happened. And that works out to be 9,600 BC, so 11,600 years ago, which is bang on exactly where now the geological evidence points to basically the end of the Younger Dryas cataclysms. Like something, we know something happened at the start at like 12,800, 900 years and then 11,600 years ago was that end of the Younger Dryas that brought us up

out of the cold spell and into the Holocene. Isn't it crazy that that's a full thousand years and we think about it in like the same time period? Like, yeah, I mean, around that time. I know, yeah, just playing around with it. Literally 11,600 to 12,800. We're literally talking about a thousand fucking years. It's so much time.

It's so much time that actually if you go from 12,800, so basically let's say 1,200 years. The English language, Old English is only like 1,400 years and Modern English is only like 400 or 500 years. So this is such a wide, a long period of time that we weren't even speaking the same language in that same, you know, thousand years ago. It's a, when you think of it like that, it's like, it's a different world. It's nuts. And if you think about the people that lived a thousand years ago and how they lived, you know, all of this that I've learned from Graham Hancock and from Randall Carlson and from

you guys, all of it is so astonishing and it all fits into place. It all makes sense. Like, why are we so fucked up? Like, why is civilization so wacky? Why do we have these weird structures that no one can really explain? And when you think about the fact that there's so much evidence that we were hit by comets, that we were hit by large objects. Like I didn't know about that enormous crater that's in Antarctica. Oh, yes.

I don't know all the details on how old that one's supposed to be, but it's one of the largest, isn't it? Yeah, there's a big one in Antarctica. I don't know that much about it. But another one that you – have you heard of Burkle Crater? That's another one? Yes. Yeah, Burkle Crater? That's another one? Yes. Yeah, Burkle Crater, like the 20-mile hole in the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Yeah.

Yeah, it's crazy. And when is that supposed to be from? So that was 5,000 years ago. They've dated that. It's something plopped down in the Indian Ocean, and it washed up these mega tsunamis on the coast of Madagascar in Western Australia that we can see in satellite images today. It's got these, like, 500, 600-foot 600 foot high Chevrons from where the water went miles inland. And they found organic material from the seabed in these Chevrons. And then they date that with carbon-14 dating and they put it right at 5,000 years ago. So 2,500 around that time BC, which is

actually a really interesting date when you consider some of the, I guess, the publications that we rely on in our modern civilization today. The Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't written long after that. And if you think about where the Indian Ocean is, that could have been the source of the biblical flood. That would have washed up north into the Persian Gulf, flooded the hell out of that whole region. It's just crazy that it's happened so many times.

That's what they say. We like to think of history as being this linear thing. We started out as cave people and then we branched out from Africa all across the world and kept learning. And here we are today with cell phones. No, we've been rocked

like multiple times. Many, many times. And there's real solid evidence. The Antarctica one, how old do they think that is? I don't recall on that. I have to double check that. I have to do a Google, Jamie. So researchers have discovered a crater 1.5 kilometers beneath the Antarctica ice crust,

482 kilometers in diameter. 482 kilometers in diameter. Holy shit. What does that mean? Probably dates back to a meteorite impact 250 million years ago. Wow. Okay, so that's an old one. That's like an order of magnitude bigger than anything related, even with the younger dry... I mean, that's a...

Bigger than the dinosaur one, right? Yeah, that's like a 99 point whatever percent extinction event. So it just keeps happening. The Earth just... Over millions and millions of years and thousands of years that humans have been around, the Earth just keeps getting whacked. The evidence is so overwhelming.

And say, going back to the younger, driest period of time, there's evidence, when you say get whacked, more than 30% of all landmass at that time was charred, burned. They claim that it's more fires than existed in the time of the dinosaurs. Now, I don't know if, that's an article I read on Science Alert. i don't know if they can truly prove that but if nothing else

30 of all landmass existing today was burned and scorched to death at that period of time that like helps people to wrap their heads around like this the world was on fire yeah that's that's the younger driest matt they yeah it's it's they they estimate as part of the the burning and because there was floods and fire and this correlates to a lot of origin myths from cultures all around the world. But yeah, 10% of the biomass, I think, so 9% to 10%, which is an inconceivable number of that's how much of the world was burnt, and that's now embedded in this black mass. 10% of the biomass. Yeah. It's so crazy that there's like literally a dark line.

Yeah, in the ground. In the ground that shows where everything was on fire for a long fucking time. Yeah. Crazy. We barely survived it. We now have a correlation of not only population reduction, but a significant drop in genetic diversity as a result. It's tied to the Younger Dryas. There's been a few good studies recently done at that.

As a result, like it's tied to the Younger Dryas. There's been a few good studies recently done at that. So we were one of the megafauna that the 50% of megafauna at the time that actually survived and got through that event. How do they think people survived? Is there any speculation? And where did we survive? Like where was the good spot? I think caves.

I think a lot of it would have been underground. And I think that's – you might actually, they may have even known, like, I think there's some evidence to suggest that some of these, like Derinkuyu in Turkey, in the Cappadocia region could host tens of thousands of people. There's massive labyrinths all over Egypt at beneath Saqqara. There's miles and miles of tunnels and catacombs. I've been down into a bunch of them. And even when you look at sites like Gobekli Tepe, there's been some interpretations of the artwork on that site that seems to indicate a cosmic calendar like they're almost marking that date we know that the ancients were watching the sky like they were concerned about it and comet mythology is a fantastic topic for randall i talked with him about this quite a bit the comet

it wasn't seen as a pretty thing in the sky like It was the harbinger of doom. Comets and all those types of things were just seen as really bad things that they were preparing for. But I think we survived partly because of diversity and being spread out all around the world. There were parts of the world that weren't as badly touched, like Australia, for example. That whole continent wasn't as badly affected as, say, the northern hemisphere was from the Younger Dryas. But also caves, 100% caves and sheltered caves, those big cities that they could take tens of thousands of people underground. Yeah, something wild that has popped back up in my head, speaking of flooding and this 11,000-year time frame,

going back to the Rishat structure, there's a study that I came across that ties into the video that we were just mentioning, that off the west coast of Sahara Africa, right in front of the Rishat structure, there's a study that I came across that ties into the video that we were just mentioning that off the west coast of Sahara, Africa, right in front of the Rishat structure, there is an underwater seafloor slide dated at approximately 11,000 years ago. And keyword approximately, the very symbol is in there. So they're not entirely sure the date, but in that timeframe. And this sediment looks like in the shape that it was blasted from a flood of water coming out of the Sahara, just based on the nature of the shape of it, that's more than 200 miles wide and maybe 130, 140, 150 miles from north to south. And it's layered sentiment that is 2,000 meters, excuse me, more than a mile deep, and it's layered.

This right here. So, one, it's corresponding evidence that a massive force of water may have blown out of the Sahara. And the one reason why this is so significant is besides the fact that it indicates a possible flood of 11,000 years ago. But if there was any remnants of Atlantis, if the Rishat structure was the location, this is where you would want to go looking. I mean, it's, again, layered sentiment. Sediment. Excuse me. Thank you. Sediment. Excuse me. Thank you.

Sentiment. More than a mile deep. Wow. Yeah. Just to put this into perspective, from going from east to west based on this 200-mile, the widest point of the Florida Peninsula is 150 miles. Like, this is more than 50 miles wider than the entire state of Florida panhandle. I don't know.

I mean, it's the same distance from New York City to where do I have that in D.C., excuse me. So like this is literally evidence of a catastrophic flood. That's more than just a seafloor slide, something bulldozed. And when you look at these fluvial erosions, anyone that's looking at this right now, signature traits of catastrophic water erosion. And it looks exactly like they teach in school when it comes to water striations, whether it's from glaciers or from water. These are signature traits of water. This is not wind. And the fact that all these areas of white blemishes, say in the wrist shot, are confirmed salt. There's numerous studies.

say in the wrist shot are confirmed salt. There's numerous studies. I mean, for example, there is a treaties from 1851 from England and Mauritania that lists a few things that talks about one, that abundance of gold, it lists that, but we'll actually move back up salt. They used to export gold out of Mauritania to Europe. And that's one of the locations. And also, gold, it said that prior to the land or the gold rush of North America back in the 1800s, Europe got most of their gold supply from Mauritania as well. Which is an interesting point, because if that was a site of Atlantis, which was said to be so rich in gold, what an interesting similarity. Go back to that image again, please, What an interesting similarity. Go back to that image again, please, Jamie.

What's really fascinating, too, is the description of Atlantis of having that opening to the south. And then you see this clear pathway to the south. Yep. Everything lines up. The shape of Atlantis, like the concentric circles, the amount of them, earth to water, the representation of it as described, the mountains to the north, like everything lines up. And not only that, all that salt is all, if people play around with this on Google Earth, you can check the elevation by using your mouse. All the areas with all the most significant amounts of salt happen to be at the lowest elevations, which I think is corresponding evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there. And as you see here, you can see it rips through the entire Sahara. And if you look at their study that's showing the Trans-Saharan Seaway of 56 to 66 million years ago, it shows that the water blasted to the south, but it does not show it

going west over the Rishat. So I feel like there was some other event, something separate that happened. And, I mean, yeah, these photos are spectacular. The photos are spectacular, but could you zoom out again, please, Jamie? The thing that's crazy is how clearly it looks like water came over that and washed back. Look at the left side of that image. It looks so clearly like massive amounts of water came over there and then pulled back. Like, look at the way it's eroded. Do you want something that's going to blow your mind?

So this area right here. Scroll in, Jamie, and you'll see we discussed this last time as being water ripples. So remember when Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson were on your show a few years ago, and they were showing you the area of the Missoula floodplains in Montana and Washington. West Baja. Yeah. God, look, it's so clear. And so what's interesting is that, so I measured these, and they might be some of the slides in there.

I'm not totally sure, but yeah, those are, that's white salt. But these. This is a wild. These pictures got great. I don't know, that's like a key. It's amazing. Taking some recent satellite photos. God, it's amazing.

You can keep digging in like that. So these ripples, when you pan out. So the ones that Randall had showed you, those were something like closer to 300 feet apart and 50 feet high. I've measured these more than 3,000 feet to 6,600 feet in between each ripple and more than 200 feet high. 6,600 feet in between each ripple and more than 200 feet high. Wow. So if these are indeed caused from like ripples like you see on the beach from catastrophic flooding, this is a force of water that is truly, it goes beyond the mind's comprehension. It's something that I don't think we could even understand.

But if you pan out, people have to understand that this is a couple hundred miles from one side to the other. Yeah. pan out, people have to understand that this is a couple hundred miles from one side to the other. And so this would have been a force of floodwater that I think goes beyond anything we could have thought possible. I think this is why scientists have somehow missed it because I don't know how to say this, but no one else seems to be talking about this. Now, the structure that you think is Atlantis, how tall are those concentric rings? So it is the entire structure from one side to the other is nearly 30 miles, but the interior structure of the concentric circles. So it is the entire structure from one side to the other is nearly 30 miles,

but the interior structure of the concentric circles is 16 miles. And this is one argument that's made against it, is that the size dimensions that Plato had gave are significantly smaller. And so, but I would make two arguments on this. One, this is a 12,000-year-old story. Go back to that, please. I would argue that it is impossible for over 12,000 years to carry down precise translations because of – How off is it from the translations? Oh, significantly. The entire site would be a small circle inside the middle of the circle. But here's the reason why I think those dimensions are wrong, is because Atlantis was

said to be busy all day and all night. And I would compare that to any modern city today, which you could argue would be a population within the millions. So if it was as small as Plato described, it wouldn't be feasible to suggest that millions of people would have lived there. And I'll make one other little point, which is that because many people posit that it could be in the Atlantic Ocean, like at the Azores. And I think that's a phenomenal argument for that. But if I was to defend the wrist shot, or I would say that if this was a place that was spoken from languages of all over and was said to be a trading hub, I don't think that it would be as feasible to suggest that Atlantis would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as opposed to West Africa,

which was green at the time. This whole area was connected by a network of rivers, which I should have some slides in there. Close to the coast. You could get boats in there. You wouldn't have to venture out in the middle of the ocean as you described in your video. You make a very, very compelling argument. My question though, how tall are those circles? Like how high do those things go?

I want to say 60 feet from – actually, no, no. Excuse me. I want to say 60 feet from – or 60 – actually, no, no. Excuse me. I want to say 100 feet at some of the highest points down to the salt. I'd have to remeasure it. But if, Jamie, if you go over – Did you go there personally? No. So I have – in fact, let me give them a shout out.

Josh Sigurdsson and David Stighansen went there individually. These are some intrepid fellows. It is a gutsy trip. Josh almost died because you have to drive through a minefield to go there. He saw actual skeletons. He had like an AK pointed at his head. Yeah. It's a wild ass place.

Yeah. You have to drive through a fucking minefield to get there? He had balls of steel. He's an intrepid fellow. Same with David. And to be honest, I don't – look, I don't – I'd rather fly over it. If someone wants to fly me over it, I'd love to get some great pictures. What if they shoot at the helicopter?

And that's another thing. I don't want to trash Mauritania because I've heard from people who have gone there, they've met the nicest people they've ever met in their lives. As long as they're not shooting you, they're nice. But it's worth mentioning that, I know. Well, there's all the gold there, too. I would imagine they would want to protect that gold. Which is why they won't let you do ground radar here.

So Josh brought out ground radar equipment equipment and they threatened imprisonment. And apparently this is one of those countries where they will cut off your fingers if you get caught stealing potentially. And this is a country that it wasn't until the 80s as well as additional law legislation in like 2007 to abolish slavery, but apparently

it's not being enforced. So there are still slaves in Mauritania. So I'm like, when I hear details like this, it makes me just not feel like driving out there. Do they know that people think that's Atlantis? Are they aware of this? It's growing. It's growing. Yeah, people are now talking about it.

People are venturing out there. They have this on their currency, the picture of the wrist shot. Really? It's the most famous thing. Yeah, well, just the whole term of Atlantis, too. We do tend to focus on it being like a single city, a single thing. And I was chatting with Randall about this just last night, and he was saying there were colonies, there were outposts.

They would have had a global kind of outpost all around the world. So it's possible, even likely, that Atlantis existed in various different places. And it's almost a term now that, you know, you say Atlantis, it gets this connotation to it. It's almost a pseudo-archaeological term. But it wasn't always the case. But we thought that about Troy as well. We did.

Troy's another one. Troy's one until what year was Troy actually physically discovered? 1890, 18 something like that. Late 1890s, I want to say. So up until that moment, they thought that Troy was just a myth. Yeah, it was just fantasy. Yeah, but people used to take Atlantis a lot more seriously. Well, something happened.

In the 1960s, there was a lot of legitimate scientific work being done in the Azores region looking at the possibility of subversion and can there be large parts of land that sink? And then something happened where it's like the establishment just turned on it and it became this pseudo term and anyone who mentioned it was kind of dismissed and shaken off in the same way that they're treating guys like Hancock with his ancient apocalypse series are now.

But I don't know specifically what happened, but it used to be taken a lot more seriously. And there's certainly a lot of evidence coming from prior prior cultures that something did exist and i think now we've we've got a massive body of evidence that suggests our our history as a species and as a civilization goes way back much further than than what we've thought about as being our own history since you know i mean right up until 2006 we pretty much thought nope the last 6 000 years that's when we stopped being cavemen and became you know started building cities and organized societies and things like that That's the whole game keepers of academia

You know just the stuff that you two gentlemen put on your YouTube pages should open up fields of inquiry people should be Reaching out to you. They should be having you speak at universities. They should be watching your videos. They should be like, oh my god, look at all this actual evidence. Not speculation. You're looking at physical geological evidence, physical erosion

evidence, and then all the stuff with the structure that lines up exactly with the stories of Atlantis. It's fucking wild. It's one of these things, like, I'm a very open-minded person. I'm not, I can't say, like, with 100% certainty, I mean, anything's possible. Of course.

But even, but I'm like, there's so many similarities that if nothing else, it shouldn't be ignored. The off the West Coast should be drilled and run with some LIDAR to see what's going on underneath that sediment. And not only that, like, let's just pretend, okay, Atlantis never existed. The Rishat's not it. Well, then let's focus in then on why is this catastrophic water erosion going through the Sahara 60 million years more recently than it was supposed to? There's another image in there, Jamie, that shows where the Trans-Saharan Seaway went, and it does not reflect it going west over the Western Sahara. So I'm like, in the context of climate science, I'm like, this should be

discussed. Why is nobody talking about the Sahara was green potentially 4,500 years ago, which is, by the way, the same alleged date as the Great Pyramids construction in Giza 4,500 years ago. So check this out. As you can see, it does not annotate the water erosion going west over the Rishat. But as we just showed, it clearly did. And this was based on a 20-year study. Wonderful people did this. I don't know. I have no explanation for why they don't annotate it going west.

But it clearly did. And not only that, it went east of Niger along Chad, which I showed you the water erosion along the volcano. East of Niger, along Chad, which I showed you the water erosion along the volcano. So what I'm suggesting is that either something else separate happened or they just missed something because, again, the Sahara is a big place and they can only search so many places. When they did this, did they have the sort of satellite imagery that are available today? Well, I can't say no. Satellites were certainly around. What year was this? This is like, I want to say 2007 or something.

I could be wrong. I got to double check that. I would have had satellite. Yeah. But I know that they were doing some boots on the ground stuff. Maybe they just didn't think to look at that particular area as being maybe they had like a preconceived notion. That's what I suspect. I don't think they are intentionally not looking at it.

But I feel like, you know, when it comes to, to you know you're mentioning that we should be speaking at universities you know joe the first thing they ever say is like oh jimmy he's a he was a fraud investigator from the corporate world like ben uh ben has an awesome story too by the way coming out of the corporate world you got oh we could get into that yeah you got patents with okay all right tech guy um we'll get into that um but like so that's the immediately dismiss and i want to make an interesting point which is that so that's the immediately dismiss. And I want to make an interesting point, which is that. So crazy that they're gatekeepers. Yeah. The egocentric, ego minded gatekeepers. Like they don't want anyone to discover something they haven't noticed.

100 percent. It is. It is totally what they do. It's almost unbelievable coming as like an outsider to this. I couldn't be more surprised to see the reactions to anything alternative because it's like, wait a second, the success of the things that we present, the success of Graham Hancock's ancient apocalypse show, this, any true enthusiasts of ancient history or geology, this is a win-win for everybody because it's gaining interest in these unanswered questions and everybody would stand to gain from it.

Like archaeologists, like if it was up to me, they'd be out there digging right now because of this stuff. Yeah, but the problem is they have already made these assertions. They've already published papers. They've already written books. And those books would now be disproven and they would look foolish. And they do not want to look foolish. They're throwing everything at ancient apocalypse. They really are.

Every word in the book. Racism. White supremacy. How is it white supremacy to say that people who lived 12,000 years ago, we have zero idea what color they were. We have zero idea what they looked like. We're

literally talking about human beings, fellow human beings, that created some unbelievably magnificent structures that exist today. Yeah. To call that or to somehow or another connect that to racism, like how? It's ad hominem.

The only reason why you would do this, it's one of two things. I've listened to their arguments and it's either one of two. I'm just going to say it. I'll be bold. They're either really stupid to associate that with racism or they're doing exactly what I see going for anyone that says something counter to a narrative, which is we need to cancel this person,

shut them up. And I had a friend reach out to me when the show came out and they Googled, I didn't want to say this, but it has to be said. They Googled Graham Hancock and there's articles at the top linking him to white supremacy. I'm like, this is in my mind.

That's why they do it. Cause they want to just shout some doubt on you. It's going to generate outrage without addressing the things that he says. Right. And addressing his specific arguments. It's so dumb. He's married to an Indian woman. Yes.

Everything about it is fucking dumb. And he's one of the- He's the nicest guy in the world. I know Graham pretty well, too. Yeah, he is. He's one of the most considerate people you'll ever meet. He's so nice. And he's just so inquisitive.

And he's been so courageous his entire career. And the more time goes on, the more he's validated. It's true. Really. Yes. I mean, you go back to Fingerprints of the Gods. I read about that in the 90s. I read that book in the 90s, and that's when I got really into his stuff.

And back then, if you brought it up, people would go, oh, he's a kook. This is not. But as the internet came about and as more and more information became available, and then the discovery of Gobekli Tepe just threw the whole thing on its head. I would argue he's done more – sorry, Ben. Let's work quick. He's done more for bringing the topic of the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations, cataclysms than arguably anyone else on earth. Because of him, I saw him on your show. I go down the rabbit hole and start looking.

I start talking about these things. So it's like everyone should be saying thank you to Graham Hancock. Sorry, Ben. They're just so scared that he's going to make them look like fools because they wrote these books when they had limited access to information and they made these very direct assertions. This is what happened and they're wrong. It's a position of power. like direct assertions. This is what happened, and they're wrong.

It's a position of power. It's archaeology not being a hard science that does hypothesis experiment and result like you can do in things like chemistry, for example. These guys, they rise to their positions of powers in academia. They become their whole personal, I think, sense of self is somehow tied up around this position as an expert in this story and it's that's all it is ultimately we're looking at we're trying to interpret the very scant evidence that is history we're looking through the bones of many civilizations people have destroyed things rebuilt them destroyed them rebuilt them you're trying to put that together and evaluate this evidence and yeah they they write the textbooks

and they've they kind of have that position of power. And when new evidence comes along that I think threatens that, that's why you get in some ways such a strong reaction because you're almost threatening the person. I think they take it that way. And it's unfortunate. I'm sure you've seen the original discussion

that Graham had with Dr. Robert Schock when they brought the evidence of the water erosion to the Sphinx and then that archaeologist was like laughing, but not really laughing. What evidence do we have of an ancient civilization 11,000 years ago? Well, now we have a

lot, fuckface. There's a lot. Gobekli Tepe is massive and then there's another structure that's lot. Gobekli Tepe is massive. And then there's another structure that's close to Gobekli Tepe. Karahan Tepe. Yeah. In fact, they're discovering many of them now. Yeah, it's not only that.

The whole story as we're told it in dynastic Egypt just doesn't make sense from a number of different perspectives. It's as if they arose out of nowhere like perfect and then degraded over time. When you think about it, things like the pyramids,ids I mean those are the first pyramids ever made like these massive megalithic stone pyramids that That have all of these different elements of sacred geometry and precision and all these different aspects of incredible engineering built into them They did that's apparently what they did first. They kept building pyramids after that time and they sucked they saw their Adobe They made from mud brick. Well, they don't really know. What do you got here, Jeremy? Carahan Tepe. Yeah.

I'm going to be there in April. Are you really? Yeah. Look at that face. Jesus Christ. Yeah, look at that face. It's scary. I don't want to.

Doesn't that look scary? Another video of yours that I watched today was a video that showed the similarities, not just between pyramids, but between construction methods all over the world. In Japan, I had no idea that they had made the sarcophagus covers in Japan that were exactly the same shape as the one, and odd, oddly shaped, exactly the same as the ones they made in Egypt. And in a place, there is supposed to be zero connection between ancient Japan and ancient Egypt. That's not supposed to exist. And if you compare that sarcophagus work, it's like it looks

unbelievably, uncannily similar. Impossible, almost impossible that two people would come up with the same design. Right. Because it's like coming up with, you know, I don't know, I mean, I don't have a good, like if someone, like this lighter, if someone, I mean this is an unusually shaped lighter,

the way the top pops. If someone just coincidentally without any internet came up with this on the other side of the planet, it'd be like, how the fuck? It's so oddly shaped. Like the button's in the same place, the lid's in the same place, there's no way. That's what it looks like to me.

And the fact that it took an enormous amount of effort to make and move And put it into place because you're talking about incredibly heavy stone and hard stone Yeah, that's the other people don't appreciate just how hard this igneous stone is that these things are made from granite granite Diorite cyanide like these are it's harder than steel like it's it's you know, there's six point five seven on the Mohs scale It's harder than steel. Like it's, you know, there's 6.57 on the Mohs scale. It's incredible work. And the fact that these similar construction methods existed in Peru, they existed in Egypt, they existed in Japan, and we don't know how old stone is. Right.

That's what's really wacky. When we talk about like carbon dating, they're not carbon dating stone. No. They really don't know. They're not carbon dating stone. They really don't know. So even when they go back to ancient Egypt and they say, oh, we date the pyramids construction to 2500 BC. It's a fucking guess.

That's what I think. It's a guess. It really is. It has to be a guess. It really can't be anything other than a guess. They can measure organic matter. They can measure stuff that's in between the stones. But we have no idea when that was put there if something existed for tens of thousands of years

Before we're dating it we really wouldn't know what we would have evidence that these of course people would still live there Of course people would still live around them and we would have evidence that those people left stuff behind That was a certain age, but we have zero evidence as to how old those things are. That's right. And when I found that out, I was baffled. Yeah. Because I always thought they knew, 2,500 BC, rock solid, this is it. Well, they tie it to the guy, the king.

They know when Khufu lived, and so they try and tie, and literally with the Great Pyramid, very little evidence. There's like this big statue of him that they found down in the Valley Temple, nowhere near it, and then there's a glyph on the inside there's a lot of controversy around that but there there are some of these artifacts they do for that reason because they they date a lot of stuff based on the site that they found it so if there's organic material at the site that they

found it what's been i've found it's it's a kind of like a smoking gun piece and all of this is all the vases so you're familiar with the incredible stone vases that they make in Egypt? Please talk about them. Yeah. So there is a collection of these things. They're made from igneous stone. And Jamie, I've got a few pictures of the vases in that vase directory. And they date back.

What's interesting to me about these is that they're some of the earliest types of artifacts that we find. They stretch back far into what we'd call pre-dynastic time, basically Mesolithic times. Right back to even 15,000 years ago, there was a site called Toshka that was dug up. It's underwater now, but it was a primitive burial. There was a guy that was curled up in this burial site on the side. Go back to that, Jamie, the one, the thin card one. What's going on there? So this is an example, and these vases display

just astonishing aspects of precision in engineering. So this is an example of just how thin this material is. So it's igneous stone. This might be porphyry or something like this, a very, very hard stone, very hard to work, but also brittle when it becomes thin. You can see the giant crystal occlusions, the white marks in it. This stuff becomes brittle, yet it's been worked down to this thinness because this one's been damaged. You can see how thin that interior wall is.

Flinders Petrie is a great Egyptologist, the first guy to really start applying engineering principles from the industrial age to this stuff. He found one, he talks about one in his work that was one 40th of an inch thick was one 40th of an inch thick. Wow. A 40th of an inch thick. And the interesting thing about these vases, there's 50,000 plus of them were discovered beneath the step pyramid of Djoser. He collected them all up.

And even in the museum that's at Saqqara, they talk about, yeah, this is so, I've been down underneath the step pyramid. This is a fragment of one of these vases that I found you can handle down there. And even in the museum there, they talk about, well, he didn't have the mate. These were inherited objects from earlier times. Like they get the concept right. And so these things stretch back way back into time. There's pre-dynastic artifacts from pre-dynastic burials.

But there's always these sort of arguments. Well, can you do this by hand? Can you not? And so recently there's been some work done. I've been working with a couple of guys. The son of Christopher Dunn, who wrote some real seminal textbooks on ancient Egyptian technology, his son Alex and Nick Sierra, they're professional metrologists. They work for Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis. They make aerospace parts, turbine blades, things like that. They've

got their hands on a pre-dynastic Egyptian vase. And for the first time, they've actually been able to scan this thing using a structured light scanner and define the specific elements of precision on it. And it's just astounding. This puts the whole concept of, can these even remotely been made by hand to bed like these things had to have been made on a machine and made with extreme precision because this vase that is is pre-dynastic this is a picture of the vase here that they found in in a private collection because i should say generally archaeologists egyptologists they're not engineers they're not particularly interested in sort of how things were manufactured

so what what they've done is they've taken this and put this in a machine and it it's a structured light scanner so it creates like a point cloud of different lights and then you match a geometric shape to it be that like a flat plane a cylinder a sphere a cone and then you can perform sort of geometric calculations on it and define things like precision precision. So if you go back to the surface A, the vase lip, you can see down on the bottom they've created a point cloud of the top of this lip, so the flatness, and they've called this surface A. It's comprised of 3,813 points, and it's within three thousandths of an inch of being basically perfectly flat.

Wow. Three thousandths of an inch? Three thousandths of an inch. And this is over who knows how many thousands of years of erosion and sand and dust and wind. Exactly. It's at least 5,000 years old. I suspect this could be far older than that. Now, what's interesting, once you start doing this, and if you go to the next one, Jamie,

now we're looking at the lip. So you take a cylinder and you match, you basically take 10,000 points plus, and you match the inside, the mouth of the vase to a cylinder. And what you can now measure that against the other surface. So if you think of like the top of it as being like the X axis, this is now your Y axis. So that first symbol here, the perpendicular symbol, what it's showing is that how perpendicular is this cylinder on its axis relative to the top of the vase, the surface A that's on the top, within one thousandth of an inch. One thousandth? So it's perfectly perpendicular to within one thousandth of an inch

of the top of the vase. And then the second reading here shows you how perfectly, what's the circular error, like what's the circularity of it within 13 thousandths of an inch of being perfectly circular. How are you going to do that by hand? Well, you can't. This is the thing. You literally can't? No, no one's ever been at you.

It gets, if you rub two surfaces together, you can make them flat. But when you start looking at the real teller in precision and in these discussions about ancient engineering, it's an easy thing to understand when we talk about 90 degree turns and flat surfaces. But what gets really interesting is when you start talking about one surface in relation to another. And remember these objects like the big boxes in the Serapium that weigh like 70 tons you've got surfaces you know 11 feet apart it's the relativity of one surface to another so how flat how straight is this in relationship to this surface right and with this vase the the incredible thing about it is is that it's as you go down it there's a another slide if you look at the Yeah. And you should mention how much this equipment costs real quick. Well, yeah.

So these structured light scanners are like $250,000. They're professional. This is absolutely a tool that gets used in aerospace quite a bit. So no one's ever really done this type of work. So this – and it does – there's nothing like this approaching you can't do this with handwork, this type of thing. But if you skip to the next one – so now it's – this is like – this is a great example. So what you're doing here is measuring the circularity. Go to the next one because the lug handles are kind of the really important part of this.

It's an interesting thing. So for one thing, it's showing you that, okay, they solved the problem of carving granite. It's made from granite. It's actually made from the same rose granite that the box in the king's Chamber of the Great Pyramid is. Not pottery, just in case someone doesn't understand what this is. This isn't pottery. People often call it pottery. Can I pause real quick? When you talk about these measurements, what kind of measurements can be achieved through ceramic pottery? Well, ceramic pottery, if you're spinning on a wheel, I'm not even sure. You might be able to get down to

tenths of an inch or half. But you would never get to a thousandths of an inch. Not to a thousandth, no. And this is carved. So this is carved out of stone. Right. Hard stone. But I'm just saying, like, if you think about a pottery wheel spinning and you think about the precision involved in that and you look at it, it's beautiful.

It seems symmetrical. It seems amazing. But nothing compared to this kind of symmetry so to give an example so a thousandth of an inch uh if you take a sheet of printer paper like this uh this is that's about seven and a half thousandths thick holy shit a human hair two to three thousandths of an inch so it's half the size of a human hair within of being perfect yes so holy shit that's how that's how precisely aligned the mouth of the vase is now Of a human hair. Within, of being perfect. Of being perfect. Yes. Holy shit. That's how precisely aligned the mouth of the vase is.

Now, so again, we've carved this out of stone. And remember, they don't, even the Egyptologists don't say that these, they're not spun. They're not cast and created. They say that the Egyptians, you know, used very primitive tools to make these pounding stones, chisels, flint chisels. What did they say in the face of this they don't so they don't address it but in generally they don't address the evidence for precision this is hold them down huh this is what i'm literally grab them and go tell me what the fuck is going on this work should should do a bit of that because there's always been

how many of these are there i mean it's not just one perfect one that you're talking about. No, oh, no. This is the only one we've managed to scan so far. And I would love to say that if – because you can't get your hands on these things. In general, curators of Egyptology museums aren't interested in their manufacturing or engineering and they don't gain – you don't get access to these vases to do it. This one came from a – How could they not be interested in that?

I don't know. It blows my mind. So here's an example of another perfect. I'd love to scan this one. It's one of my favorites. It's like you can see the symmetry inherent in the vase just in the fact that it's sitting on almost like an eggshell. It's so perfect. But what that study is showing and what those, that, that precision that's

now been measured is showing that, okay, these were turned on a machine and not only were they turned on a machine, but when you think about the shape of the vase, it has these lug handles, right? On each side, they're like got little holes. Yeah. Those can't be turned. You can't, if you think of it spinning and you're cut and this is being carved by a machine, right?

Those lug handles can't be turned. You would have to cut out like a round thing around it and then take another tool and shape the lug handles without turning it. Now in precision manufacturing, when you introduce another tool that introduces error, even in our best processes today, and we just don't see that on this vase. Like those lug handles are within one thousandth of an inch of being perfectly aligned with those other surfaces of the vase. It's that relativity of one section of the vase to another that means, A, unquestionably not possible by hand, but B, this has been designed. Like somebody made a model of this and they had a very sophisticated bit of machinery that must have carved it out.

And when we talk about this machinery, like what's the speculation? I mean, what do they think was used to carve these things? Is there any markings on them that would indicate? There is. So this is a whole other discussion when you get into the depths of this work. So when you look at ancient Egypt and the way that gets treated, they found tools.

And I should say, it's very rare to find metal in the ancient world, right? As soon as the Bronze Age starts, this work. So when you look at ancient Egypt and the way that gets treated, they found tools. And I should say, it's very rare to find metal in the ancient world, right? As soon as the Bronze Age starts, any metal, super precious, gets smelted down, turned into tools, weapons, things like that. So it's very rare to find metal in general. But across ancient Egypt, they found a bunch of tools. So they found some copper chisels, bronze chisels, very primitive stuff, some wooden squares and plumb bobs, pounding stones, flint chisels. So those are the tools that are found. And in general, it's like the orthodoxy here and the academia will do everything they can

to just hammer everything you find into this box and say, these are the tools we found. So therefore, everything's made by these tools. Now, outside of that, there's a whole realm of what I would call machining marks that exist all over these sites in Egypt. There's a place called Abu Siyah that's been closed to the public for more than 100 years. You have to get special permission to go there. It's one of my favorite sites. It's an old kingdom site, like Fifth Dynasty. And all over this site, you find amazing evidence for massive circular saws. You see machining marks.

There are these tube drills. I've got like an hour-long documentary just on the tube drills because there's been an argument going on for 150 years about the tube drills. There is evidence for very sophisticated and powerful tools that is etched into these artifacts from the very earliest points in Egypt all over the place. And a lot of these things, they disappear in later periods of time. Go back to that image, Jamie, that you just had. Look at that. Yeah. So here's an example.

I didn't send you any of the machining marks, but I can show them to you at some point. Yeah. So you find the tube drills are really interesting because it's a very thin tool. And what they would do, they range in size from like a half inch up to nine inches. And are those plugs that were removed from the stone so it's like a hollow a hollow tool that gets that gets cut down and then you snap off the core and now flinders petrie uh he was uh you're familiar with petrie he was he was around like late 1800s early 1900s i i use his work a lot in the stuff that i do because he was the first guy to apply engineering principles

to what we saw, which is kind of this meta point that messes with my head a bit in that it took our civilization up to the industrial age to even be able to put some of this stuff into context. Like anyone else that looked at this stuff before we understood what machining was, what working in this stone was, what it looks like to cut stone with a circular saw. You don't have the context to explain it. So we had to get to the industrial age and develop sort of mass manufacture and engineering for us to even recognize what we're seeing here. So he found, there's a famous core, it's called Petrie's Core No. 7.

And it's a drill core from one of these holes. It's in granite. And it's located in the Petrie Museum. And this museum is one that actually allows research appointments and you can analyze it. And it's been analyzed several times. There's been an argument that's been going on for literally 150 years about this core because what Petrie found and what Chris Dunn later verified,

yeah, that's Petrie's core number seven exactly right there. That, in fact, might even be Chris Dunn's photo. Those spiral, that groove that goes around it, very obvious striations, right? So it's been incontrovertibly shown that that's a spiral. It's a spiral. So it's not like just horizontal striation. So if you can imagine the way we do it today, we have tube drills and core drills. It spins really fast, makes lots of little marks.

There's been studies done looking at those sort of sort of marks that's not what we're seeing here what we see here is a continuous spiral groove of at least two points so it's a twin spiral that runs down the length of the core now from that and analyzing that you can determine a few things things like how fast was this drill or how how quickly was this drill penetrating the granite and petrie and dunn both analyzed it and looked at it well it's about a one in 60 rate so for each say 60 inches of horizontal travel it's going one inch into the stone so imagine that so if you if you take a take a spiral and straighten it out like and you just imagine right 60 inches this way you're getting one inch of vertical travel that that figure is 500 times greater than we can achieve today in terms of how fast it penetrates the granite.

500 times greater. Now, it doesn't mean it cut quicker. It could have been moving slowly, like it might have been turning slowly. Right. But it's penetrating the granite at a rate far greater than what we can achieve with our technology today. This is why it's so important to bring outside eyes into this, whether it's an aerospace engineer. Like this is, you know, going back to Troy, that was discovered by a businessman. He wasn't an archaeologist.

That's something that most people don't know. It's like when you bring an outside set of eyes with different sets of experiences, they'll pick up on things that others wouldn't. Look at that image, all the spiral lines around that. That's just amazing. Yeah, so you can go there, and I intend to do this. I might be in the UK this year, and I intend to do that. It's called the cotton wrap test. You can actually, under a little microscope,

run a piece of cotton through that groove. Now, they actually took it a step further, and they made a latex molding of it, right? And they sent it to Chris Dunn. The Petrie Museum did this. And then he cut reference holes in it, cut it out, and then geometrically proved basically that this is a spiral groove. It definitely starts above the line and ends below the line. He showed that that's it.

And what I would love to see happen is we could get this core and then scan it with that structured light scanner because it will put that stuff to bed no problem like like there's as far as i'm concerned this is a spiral groove the case has been closed but people still argue the point um but it's it's 100 an indicator of some form of technology that's far away beyond the primitive stuff that we attribute to the dynastic egyptians to me, it's an indicator that, and I don't think the dynastic Egyptians, they don't describe having this type of capability. We've never found any tools from them that can do this type of thing. So I think what we're looking at here with dynastic Egypt is a story, it's a longer timeline. It's a story of inheritance. I think they inherited a lot of artifacts, potentially some architecture, potentially

parts of the pyramids or that type of thing. And then that's where their culture grew from that. I mean, they themselves describe their history as going back nearly 40,000 years. They themselves look at them like a legacy culture. This is in the Palermo Stone. It's in the Turin Papyrus. The priest Manetho talks about it.

There's a lot of different – yeah, so that actual yellow image in the center, that's the latex core. No, up to the right. Yeah, that one. That's the latex core, the latex molding of core number seven. But the crazy thing is, too, this is the only core that's really been analyzed. These things, they're all over the place. Like, lots of museums have them. I'd love to see a body of work be built up with true analysis of it because...

Do they all have similar markings on them? Well, yes. And so you can see the holes on a lot of the sites that seem to have a very clear striation on them. Some of the tubes, the actual drill cores, if you like, seem to have it that way. There were other techniques used. So the argument that how the mainstream archaeologists describe them solving this problem is, well, they had a copper tube and they got sand and they put a rock on top of the tube and a bow drill and they just went back and forth with this. And they did some experiments. And look, grinding works ultimately because sand has little chunks of quartz and corundum in it.

But it takes days and days and days to cut this much. Right. And the markings and the machining doesn't look anything like what you see in the ancient examples. And what's more and what's kind of interesting here is that the actual drill cores that they found, they're tapered. So actually they taper in like this. The holes are straight. The cores are tapered so actually they taper in like this the holes are straight the cores are tapered so it means that the tool itself must have been had a had like a almost like a cone shape

and it the thing that because some people say well those lines could have been created when the tool was removed and i'm like no if you think about a tapered tool like this the second you take any pressure off it that's the whole tool removes itself from the surface of the stone. So those marks can't be made by withdrawal of the tool. It's 100% something going on. And Petrie, back in the late 1800s, was scratching his head looking at this stuff, and he goes, there must have been a weight of two or three tons on one. He sort of said it was a jeweled tube of bronze that did this. But he was looking at it.

He knew a mystery when he saw it, and he couldn't explain it. What's the speculation? What's the wildest speculation as to how these things were made? Well, I'm pretty convinced that there was – there's obviously saws and tube drills that are powered by something. Now, I think it may not just be pure friction. There might be ultrasonics involved. One of the whole interesting things I like about this space is it's like, and this has to do with even like the energy stuff that Randall was talking about

that he's coming to talk about as well. There are realms of science that sit outside of our understanding. We'll know more tomorrow in 10 years, in a thousand years about science. So I think when we look at some of these things in the past, we should be open-minded enough to consider the possibility that some of the answers may sit outside of our current perspective because our tendency is to look at it all and try and see how would we do it. Right. Does anybody have wild speculation that you've entertained?

Yeah, I think there's, yeah. So one of the topics that often gets mentioned here is like ultrasonic drilling. So having it resonated a frequency that matches the native frequency of the rock and sort of separating the uh the the rock more easily and that's a technology that we're developing like we do some ultrasonic drilling like this today with jewelry and stuff and it's you literally vibrate you find the correct vibration you can put like a little star-shaped bit through a stone they do it in like small work i've seen lots of examples and if you turn off the machine it's like excalibur stuck in the stone you you can't get that thing out like it's it takes you need that vibration to go through

it uh plasma you can even go as far as well they were softening the stone somehow with with some molecular technology um speculation like that uh i would also say that some of these examples of technology and machining extend way up to these massive objects. Like you have thousand ton single piece objects that also exhibit some of these signs of precision engineering. So you might be talking about some truly giant machines that made them, giant columns and statues and things like that. And what do conventional archaeologists say when they're confronted by all this data, the pottery or, excuse me, the vases, this stuff that you're looking at here?

What do they say? Well, you either just get a denial and they won't address it, and you get dismissed as just being ridiculous pseudo-archaeology, fantasy theory type thing. Or in the case of the tube drills, for example, they will – and this is a funny story because they will argue that, no, no, it's not spiral. The grooves on that thing aren't spiral. And in fact, in the textbook – this is what Chris Dunn found out – in the textbook

where they do try to address the engineering with that tube drill, they took the photo of the tube drill and they just tilted it just a little bit so when you look at it on the page the lines look horizontal it's literally in it in the textbook oh they fucked with it in the textbook why would they do that they altered the photo because they if if you admit that that that the the that tube has a spiral has a spiral groove on it. Now you're admitting that they're cutting into that granite at a ridiculous rate and you can't do any of that stuff with any of the primitive tools. It has this flow-on effect that just knocks over this house of cards that says all this stuff was built with primitive technology and our whole concept of the ancient Egyptians is off.

Now, I don't think it's – I think the dynastic Egyptians, they used primitive tools. I think they just inherited a lot of stuff that's potentially a lot older. And the proofs in the puddings with these vases, for example, that stuff, those things disappear from dynastic Egypt after the 3rd, 4th dynasty. They don't make them anymore.

They make alabaster vases. Is that a tool? What is that? That's a fantastic example of what I would call an out-of-place artifact. It's a hollow tube of lapis lazuli, which by the way, there's no quarries for lapis in Egypt. The closest one's probably in Afghanistan. Came from Gebelter, found in a pre-dynastic site. It's hollowed. It's perfectly made. This is a very difficult thing to achieve even with modern machinery. And it's displayed in a cabinet next to what bone and

beads right and what is that what is that supposed to be that tube it's a it's something decorative i assume it has a gold sheath but it's a hollow tube i actually have pictures of it from the end on not not probably in the ones you have jamie but yeah hollow tube it's an out of place artifact like these things from hard stone they and these are more examples, rock crystal obsidian gourds and vases that show just perfect, just very high degrees of sophistication. You should mention the statue faces in the cemetery. How can you possibly do that by hand? This will wow you. Yeah.

So there's a whole category of aspects to the discussion around ancient technology, right? And I have to be kind of careful about what you say, oh, it is or it isn't, because in reality, we really haven't analyzed that many artifacts. This vase work that we've done, first one we've actually taken a look at. That core, that's the first one and the only one that's really been analyzed. So I characterize something that's beyond the capabilities of these primitive ancient civilizations as being, okay, machining marks, tool marks, like these giant circular saws, tube drills, precision. And there's elements to precision. And one of those is symmetry. And there's been some interesting studies done on the faces of giant statues.

One in particular is the face of Ramses. There's a statue at Luxor. They've since put their head back up. It's up now 30 feet in the air on top of the statue but it used to be on the ground and again chris dunn was real seminal in this he went and took a photo like bang on like very front on and then what he did was you you take a copy of that photo you make it 50 transparent make the original 50 transparent you take one and you flip it like on that horizontal axis then you overlay them right so you you would see any like the left to right it's like overlaying the left side on the right

side and it's perfect um yeah this it's this face here but i wonder if you can find the picture of chris dunn that's actually my there's your video right there is there as well where i get into it but it's not that picture you're asking for no it's similar but there's it it shows other aspects of well the same radius of tool being used to cut. But what's interesting about the symmetry, it's perfectly symmetrical left to right. Now, this isn't a feature in humans. No human is perfectly symmetrical. Different nostrils, different eyeballs.

It's also not something that is done in artwork. So people often say, well, Michelangelo, he carved David. It's a beautiful statue. I've seen it. It's incredible. But it's human. It's not symmetrical. Symmetrical is, you can't, again, you can't achieve that degree of symmetry just by eyeballing it and doing it by hand. And it's also something that's not really human. I think some of these statues almost look a bit inhuman because of that symmetry when they're up there and they're staring at you because it's mind-blowing to actually go and look at them but uh yeah it's it's it's the other aspect is it the most efficient way to create that would be to say well if you were going to design in a computer it's like well i'm going to create half this face

in a program and make map it out and then i'm just going to reverse it and say well that's the other half it's literally the most efficient way to do it and that's kind of what we're seeing in some of these statues. Go back to that image please. It's virtual perfection. And how did what what what's the explanation for this that modern archaeologists use? They did it by hand right? They do it by hand that's literally what they say you just don't they're not engineers and construction experts at the end of the day that's the problem is so it's very difficult to engage them on those specific details and i've taken many engineers master stonemasons stone carvers construction guys and they almost they a lot of them see it immediately people that understand what it takes to both work in this

material and to work at the scale that some of this stuff is worked in, they see it immediately and they just dismiss the idea that this was done with literally pounding stones and copper chisels. It's a funny thing. They insist those things are how they were done, but not once. No one ever has cut a single big slab of granite the size of a refrigerator in half. We've never gone that far. slab of granite the size of a refrigerator in half. We've never gone that far. No one's demonstrated that, yep, you can take a copper bar and sand and grind your way through a refrigerator-sized block. And you're saying copper because we think that they didn't have steel back then.

They didn't. Well, yeah, they didn't, and not until later. There's no evidence for it. There's evidence for copper and bronze. There's no evidence for it when we're talking about 2,500 BC. and bronze. There's no evidence for it when we're talking about 2500 BC. Exactly. Now if there was some sort of very sophisticated civilization that was tens of thousands of years before that and they were wiped out and then you're leaving behind these artifacts and then people are claiming them as their own and then trying to copy them. Imitation was a huge part of it and we even see that. You go to the Egyptian Museum,

and there's these beautiful igneous stone vases made of granite. And right next to them, in the same display, because they're found in the same place, there's a rough pottery vase that's not even turned, just put together by hand, and they've painted it with dots to make it look like granite, and it's shaped the same way as the granite vase. It's like that's pure imitation, like this here.

I love this. This is one of my favorite examples. And this is like either first dynasty or pre-dynastic. But yeah, you have a hard igneous stone vessel made with perfection and right next to what's clearly an imitation of it made from pottery and they've even dotted it up to make it look like granite. All the most sophisticated artifacts, pyramids, everything, are all the oldest. It gets worse as it goes on.

And that's not supposed to make sense. And the last time I was on with you, Joe, I was trying to articulate a point, which was that there was a middle kingdom, there was the first kingdom, and there was these periods of revolt and revolution and missing history within Egypt. And there's three different kingdoms. And one of which was 126 years of lost history. Another was over 200 years. And the one point to mention about that is that that means that whoever took over and reestablished themselves, there's now no one alive at that period of time that was around prior to whatever it is that reset them, that government or whatever they were.

So if there's 126 years of lost history, no one is now alive to say what was what before that year one of 126 years, if that makes sense. Yeah. I mean it's 3,000 years. Like the dynastic Egyptian civilization itself is 3,000 years old. Now they do trace that back 30-plus thousand years. They describe a time as Zep tepe when the gods walk the earth they literally talk about these magical abilities that you could interpret as technology and then after that there was the shem suhor the followers of horus these semi-divine mystical

beings and they have a list of kings and rulers that go back into that time it's it's only in our interpretation and our archaeologists that really say, well, you know what? That's just myth and legend. And after that, you know, we start Dynasty I, King I. That's actually history. But what is their justification? Like why do they say that it's just myth and legend? Like where are they getting this information from? Why are they making these assertions? Well, because civilization can't exist until 6,000 years ago.

It says it right here, Joe. Memorize it. But once they see Gobekli Tepe, don't they kind of have to reformulate? They should. They refuse. They say they're primitive. They say Gobekli Tepe was created by – they changed it, and it literally happened. I saw this argument being made when Michael Sherman was here with Graham and Randall.

They say it's made by hunter-gatherers. They literally changed the definition of what it means to be a hunter-gatherer rather than move that precious date of civilization starting from 6,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago with Gobekli Tepe. And I think it's ridiculous. Gobekli Tepe, you cannot produce that type of installation without civilization. So many things. The specialization of allowing someone to be able to carve, you know, 18-foot pillars that weigh several tons with high relief. Not just that, but the fact that these animals on those pillars are 3D. Yeah.

Meaning you carve out the stone to remove stone so that you have these giant pillars with like a lizard crawling up the side of it but the lizard extends out from the stone yeah high relief yeah it's not carved into it i mean that's just insane yeah as difficult as possible and you need yeah you know you need a population base to support the sort of the development of specialization like that it's as if to me it's as if they just think well no these hunter gatherers these dudes just want to get around the weekends get away from the women go and do some rock you know some little carving project on the weekend. We'll move some stones over here.

And it's not just stone circles. There's buildings and cisterns and quarries. Like there's infrastructure at these sites as well. And they're finding more and more of them in Turkey. And they, yeah, the fact that it all goes back to that date is just like, look, we should be shifting the date of civilization back. We've shifted back our date as a species. I mean, fossil record three we were 190 000 years old forever they found a human jawbone in morocco now we're 300 000 years

old the latest dna evidence uh looking at our divergence from a common ancestor with the neanderthals and studies on teeth morphology uh put us at around sort of 800 to 900 000 years old potentially like that's wild. That's the range of us as being sitting around here as modern humans on the planet. That's so much time. Dude, it goes back to other periods. You think about it, that's into other periods of warm,

more hospitable environments. You go through a couple of different glaciation cycles in that time frame. And give us a few warm, sunny days and enough shit to eat, and we're going to solve some frigging problems. Yeah. Especially for thousands of years. Yeah. Something wild about Gobekli Tepe.

How many of those pillars are still buried and not excavated yet? Almost 200? It's like 5% of it's been excavated. And they found it by accident in the 90s. They did. That's what's crazy. Like, wasn't it a sheep herder? Yep.

Yeah, it's a pot-bellied hill. He found something sticking out of the ground. What's this? Let me kick the dirt away from this thing. And then, what the fuck? Yeah, giant. And also, you find 12,000-year-old massive stone structures. Yeah.

That predate what we think of as history by 6,000 years. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's just finding more and more of it. Yeah. You know, it's funny, Jimmy, you mentioned an interesting point about the sediment because I know, and Graham Hancock likes to talk about this too, underwater archaeology,

the fact that sea levels have risen 300 to 400 feet. One of the challenges with that is exactly that, is that this catastrophic flooding that happened as a result of this violent process that got us to our climate of today and our sea level, is that, yeah, there's sediment everywhere. So even if there were cities, there were remains, the Younger Dryas and the cataclysm was so violent and such a savage event that it would have just smashed stuff. And even if there was stuff that's now underwater, it's like buried in sediment. Like,

it's not like you're going to just take pictures of the ocean floor around these continents and find lost cities. In a lot of places, this is all going to be buried in sediment and smashed into bits. Yeah, gravel. Very difficult. Just complete smithereens. Yeah. But they should go looking. They should go looking.

But, I mean, just knowing the geological data, knowing that the Younger Dryas impact theory appears to be correct, knowing that there's people like Randall Carlson who have looked at the surface area of North America and shown these incredible pieces of evidence that there's massive water flooding that went through the impossible to understand like you can't comprehend the amount of water and the the amount of power that would come from that water and just from being impacted by a mile wide chunk of iron that slams into an ice cap it's it's crazy the channeled scab lens is absolutely spectacular. I've done those trips with Randall a bunch of times. It's such an incredible landscape when you put it in that context.

Yeah. And you're looking at this outflow from these floods like we've never, like, yeah, it's these massive big coolies that are 800 foot high and you're standing on top of about 300 foot of sediment at the bottom. And it's just ripped all this basalt out and then dumped it out into this massive big boulder spree that's also several hundred foot deep and you've got granite from canada that's been carried by these floods down here and deposited in these giant icebergs and happened over a couple of days yeah maybe up to a week but yeah it was it was i i really think he's onto something with the you know like the major flood like there's so many problems with the missoula flood the main theory of like well lots of little floods that this ice dam reformed. And it's a good topic for Randall, but yeah, I think it, it definitely, it happened in a real short

time because that whole Lake Missoula area where they say was the reformation of an ice dam. That's what they say. It's like, well, this reformed like 95 times and these floods happened. That's, we have no evidence for that. And there's nothing that ever supports that theory, least of all hydrodynamics of trying to form an ice dam that's like 2,000 feet deep and six miles wide. It's ridiculous. Ice dams don't get that big. It can't happen.

And it makes sense if you think about the fact that they believe we got hit by these massive chunks of rock and ice and stone and iron from space. Let me ask. 43,000 miles an hour. Yeah. Boom. Into two-mile thick ice.

Two-mile thick ice. Let me ask you a question. Have you heard of the Carolina Bays? No. Okay. This is a great one because this ties into that. And this is like one of those things that nobody knows about, but it's a feature that's everywhere.

And so up and down, if you search for Carolina Bays, Jamie, all up and down the East Coast, it's not just the Carolina. There are literally millions of these geological features. They're literally bays. They're elliptical bays. The whole landscape's littered with them. We started to notice them with the advent of aerial photography, and then when we started doing LiDAR flyovers,

we started to see them under everything. Millions of them. We also, that's on the East Coast. Then over in Missoula, we have what's called Missoula Rainwater Basins. Again, millions of them. All over the landscape. Yeah, look at that.

Carolina Bays. And they're everywhere. They range in size from pretty small to pretty big, like miles in diameter. And they're all elliptical. They're all like a conic section. Now, what do they think? Look at that LIDAR one.

It's really good. What do they think these are? So there's been some debate, and one of the mainstream opinions is that, well, they're wind and sand, eolian, lacustrian solution created. None of the experiments along the lines of wind can back this up. The interesting thing about these is that they're all oriented in a specific direction. And what turns out is that there was a study done because a guy went and mapped out thousands of them and lined them up. And it wasn't until he took into account the Coriolis effect, so the spin of the earth, that all of a sudden all these lines, the orientation

of these bays all lined up at at around saginaw bay so which would have been buried in ice so here's the here's the theory that that comes out about the carolina bays is that there was a massive impact into the ice and it it basically threw up splash damage of ice boulders the size of baseball stadiums on suborbital orbital trajectories that then created this saturation bombardment and liquefaction of the entire east coast and over there in Missoula of the entire land.

That image, Jamie, in that lower left hand... Oh, I have a laser pointer. Yeah. Jimmy can't get laser pointed. I brought one. The gift that we'll keep on giving. What do I have to do to get this? Rip off that little plastic thing. It's like a safety? Oh, no, not that. I brought one. The gift that we'll keep on giving. What do I have to do to get this? Just press that button.

Oh, yeah, rip off that little plastic thing. It's like a safety. Oh, no, not that. Rip out the battery, the little color. Here, you can use this one. It's ready to go. Okay, show me how to. I got you. Okay, so this one right here.

Whoa, Jesus. I know, crazy, right? It reflected back and wiped the shit out of it. Did it get you? This is the real deal. So is that what they look like in real life? They're more elliptical than that in general. So if you look at the LiDAR imagery, but a lot of them, yeah.

So they're overlapping as well. I fucking can't see. Bro, I'm going to be shooting this thing at airplanes later. I got one of the best $18 I've ever spent on Amazon ever. I got one that'll pop balloons. Really? So much. Oh, dude.

I bought a few years back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It comes with a little case with safety goggles. You got to put them on. That's a $200. I learned so much from this show. I learned so much.

I'll bring it. So these are, what is that in real life? Does it actually look like that? It depends. Some of them are just farmland. Some of them are still lakes. They have bodies of water in them. They mostly show up with LIDAR.

Oh, look at this, Jamie. There are a few spots. Jamie's going to Google Earth. You can see them on Google Earth. That's there right there? That's more of a natural lake, but they're literally everywhere and they overlap. The whole landscape's made up of them.

Didn't they find most of them through LIDAR, though? Yeah, LIDAR. They started to see them with aerial photography, and then LIDAR, they just turned up everywhere. Under farmland, I wish I didn't send you the photos of the bays with LIDAR. But it's just the crazy story about their creation is that these are splash damage from a cosmic impact into the ice. And they think it may be related to the Younger Dry. massive ice boulders that are coming in at like, you know, six or seven kilometers per second that take seven or eight minutes of these ballistic trajectories to come down from Saginaw Bay and then just all over the East Coast and Missoula.

And it would have exterminated anything that lived there. It literally liquefied the ground. The ground would have – the earthquakes and the impacts would have turned the ground into quicksand. Like we see in the aftermath of earthquakes, you have cars that are half buried in mud. Like it literally liquefies the earth. And it was just a saturation bombardment on the East Coast. And it's people now just, you know, we play golf on them and it's all this stuff.

But it's a catastrophic landscape, the entire East Coast, which is likely off the coast as well. So this image is what? This is from South Carolina's government page talking about it. Carolina Bays. You see their ellipse? They're elliptical. They all orient in a certain direction.

And so the conventional explanation is wind? Wind and basically water. Yeah, but none of the experiments make sense. There's a guy on YouTube, Antonio Zamora. He's also written a paper on it and a couple of books. But he shows that, yeah, there's always been a bit of debate about them. But by far the best, I think, explanation for them is the ice boulder hypothesis. It's crazy to think about it.

Like, you know, impact happens over here. Eight, nine, ten minutes later, you just have this rain of just destruction coming from the sky that obliterates the entire coast of the United States. That's what you'd expect if there's something that hit at a high speed. And, of course, there'd be fallout. Things would get sprayed about. It would make sense to find that if the Younger Dryas climate impact hypothesis is true, there would be something like that. They've done experiments. Yeah, so you shoot a bullet into ice at an angle, and it shows the shattering of ice and the orientation.

So we can step backwards from the bays and look at, okay, what's the energy required for the impact, and at what angle was the impact coming in? And it's something like it would have been probably a mile-wide impactor up at Saginaw Bay that might have ejected that much ice to do that. We're so vulnerable. We are so vulnerable and we like to think this is all

permanent. I mean, you think about how ridiculous human beings are. We spend most of our lives accumulating stuff, trying to get status, trying to, you know, fuck as many people as we can and get the biggest house. And meanwhile, there's rocks headed our way that are going 45,000 miles an hour that could exterminate 90% of the population instantaneously and completely erase

every little bit of information we've ever accumulated all the knowledge all of our history all of our understanding of physics, mathematics, astronomy, everything. Gone. See ya. Goodbye. Welcome to being a fucking ape man again. Yep. Welcome to eating whatever the fuck you can get in your mouth and dying when you're 12.

And having people try to steal all that from you. Yeah. Can you imagine? Within what, like three, three four generations people would be this is what i love the ancient egypt analysis you would be probably hammering a black rock into a shape like this like a phone and dancing around a cave like a fire trying to turn it on like if we dance around a fire hard enough then this black rock will turn on and it'll give me the fucking answer to anything i want like it's just we'd be talking about plasma tvs like it's a

legend in the past i mean we would have no evidence of any of this stuff. And one of the weirder things about us is we insist on putting our stuff on hard drives. Oh, God. Which is the absolute worst thing. And then there was the Georgia Guidestones. People are like, well, let's blow that shit up. Somebody blew that up. Something interesting.

They still haven't found anyone from that. I find that quite interesting. They called it an act of domestic terrorism. I mean, exploded ordinance on on government land or as public and it's ran by the state. But they don't have anyone. They had a car drive right by it. They have no suspects. I find that really peculiar because there was supposed to be that buried time capsule. Yeah. Well, they allegedly dug it up and there was nothing there. I find that interesting.

What's your crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theory? Okay, here we go. It was – so this is complicated. Who made the Georgia Guidestones, by the way? Do we know that? Some of it's a mystery. Some of it we know. A pseudonym, right?

Right. It was a gentleman – I made a video about this. It was a gentleman – I made a video about this. R.C. Christian, and there was a small group of donors, and they had had these written essentially laws for if like in the event of a cataclysm in human history was to be reset, and this would be a guidance for how we should proceed. And some people consider it to be very benign. I don't – I wasn't a big fan of them because it basically preaches, I would say, communism. It talks about having population control as far as not allowing – that there should be societal pressure as well as legal pressure on controlling how many kids people have moving forward and to keep a balance at 500 million. They don't say reduce the population to 500 million. That's where some of the conspiracies come in is that this is a depopulation agenda. But the conspiracy, to answer your question,

some people suspect that what if, because there's a lot of talk today about people wanting to reduce population and we're destroying the earth, that what if the powers that be that did create them purposely, if they're under that way, if they're under their plan, they'd want to destroy them, remove that evidence and pretend those guidance stones didn't even exist in the first place and remove that time capsule. This is complete conspiracy. I don't know what I'm talking about. But what I do find interesting – What is this?

Is that the car? Yes. Here's the most bizarre thing of this whole thing. Is that a Charger? They destroyed – so as you can see, they caused significant damage. They destroyed – so as you can see, they caused significant damage. But the very next day, less than 24 hours after this bomb went off, they leveled it. They raised it to the ground because they said it was a safety hazard.

But I'm like this is the middle of a field. They can cordon off with police crime scene tape. And just being an Iraq veteran, like when there was an IED that would go off, they'd have people come out and investigate this. They'd do an investigation. This was a bomb on United States ground, and they leveled it the next day. And I'm like, where's all the forensic teams coming in to try and analyze the explosive evidence? It just seemed really, really, they urgently removed all evidence of this. And that's the part that makes my little conspiracy wheels go is because, you know, where's the true investigation?

Where's the FBI? Where's the ATF? Again, less than a day after that bomb went off, they raised it to the ground. And nothing since. I mean, how have they not found this person? Why would they raise it to the ground? Why wouldn't they just fix it? Maybe it wasn't salvageable.

I don't know. What I do know is that they quickly removed that thing. And that's just a little bit weird. Why would you do that? Where's the ATF? Where's all the people out there taking swabs of everything? You know, if there was a natural disaster that was imminent and it was headed our way and only a few people knew about it, how much do you think they'd tell us? They wouldn't. No. Yeah. I would say a goddamn thing because we would go crazy. We'd wind up looting all the Targets. That's right. First thing, Target and Walmart. I'm going to Kmart. I'm going to the last Kmart. Starbucks. Real quick, did you hear what Elon Musk said on the Full Send podcast a few months ago?

What? So there's Full Send, the Nelk Boys, awesome guys, great podcast. Elon Musk was on there, it's like four months ago, has like 15 million views. It's a three-hour podcast. And at two hours and like 53 minutes, they start talking about cataclysms and ice ages. And Elon Musk, this is out of all things that were discussed on the podcast, in my mind, the most interesting part of it all got zero coverage. It's like nobody talked about it.

And it's because it's two hours and 50 minutes in. But Elon Musk says a couple things within just a few minutes. He says, if you want to go down a deep, deep rabbit hole, look into ice ages and how often they happen. He goes on to say that... Let's listen to this. If you read about ice

ages. Yeah. Really? A deep rabbit hole on ice ages. What's so intriguing about them? The whole Earth has just been through like, the whole earth is just freezing. Like I said, there's deep rabbit hole on ice ages. Deep rabbit hole. Where should we go?

There's so many, I guess- Wait, there's so many what? Wikipedia or some secretive account. Yeah, it was like a little bit of a tidbit of it. Yeah, why do you love it? Why do I love it? I mean, I think it's just interesting. So interesting.

That's crazy. That how interesting. That's very interesting. That how much Earth's climate has changed. And even where the, magnetically where the poles are has shifted over time. So, you know, anyway, there's also been times where, in the past, where our galaxy has collided with another galaxy. That probably threw things for a bit of a loop at the time. Was there a conspiracy when it comes to ice ages or anything like that? Not really, no. When was the last ice age? How long ago was that?

Well, we're technically in sort of an ice age right now. Although it depends on what you call an ice age. What happened to global warming? Wait, but yeah, how so? What defines an ice age at that point? Global warming is not like cool anymore. It's a deep rabbit hole. What do you do when you go down a deep rabbit hole though?

Is it YouTube videos, books, or how do you educate yourself on this? Wikipedia. Yeah, books and clicking around the internet, Googling Wikipedia, YouTube, whatever. So Twitter can be interesting. So I think there was probably something significant that happened in the last Ice Age because we don't see any evidence of writing. I'm going to say I'm using ice age in the colloquial term of like when was it very snowy

and where the glaciers came down far and where summer was short and winter was very long. And that was about 10,000 years ago. So something happened around, I think around that ice age that, because we see no writing, no writing before that ice age. And we, we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on earth after that, after the most recent colloquially termed ice age. So, yeah. But like I said, there have been times when Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball. But these tend to occur over very long periods of time.

The global warming thing we're talking about here. That's about it. He knows. For such an unbelievably smart individual and as rich and powerful as he is, I look at these topics that we're into, cataclysms, Younger Dryas, lost ancient technology. Magnetic poles. That's the one thing. I would like to dive into that. Yeah. I watched a video on that this morning, the Adam and Eve video. Oh, yeah. The Chan Thomas thing. Jesus Christ.

That's an interesting one. How much of that is agreed upon, that there could be a time when the magnetic poles actually shift? So this is science. They say that the last one was like 778 000 years ago and we're more there were like something like 200 000 years overdue um but the adam and eve story the theory of that is that these it happens in cycles of 6 500 years and that it's a 90 degree flip but six days later or on the seventh day it corrects itself the planet flips not just it that correct it's a it's a planet flip 90 degree and that because of it, the earth essentially

does a standstill. The sun will be direct, will basically stay in the same spot causing heating like we've never experienced. And that the wind and the waters continue with their momentum because essentially the wind travels at approximately a thousand miles an hour at the equator. So the theory is that when that event happens, it's going to be cataclysmic. And here's the wild thing is that in that document, it says a continental-sized tsunami being two miles high. Well, I showed you the Emikusi volcano in Africa in the Sahara, which is at 11,300 feet that has salt as well as evidence of gastropods, sea life. That's two miles high.

Yes. And I'm like, it's just, it would make a lot of sense. Like if you look at the Bible and involving like revelations and it's saying like- Six days. Six days on the seventh day God rested. In that document, it says six days things start simmering down a bit and by day seven things are starting over new. So what's the science behind this complete reversal of the magnetic pole?

So real quick, this is the complete reversal of the magnetic pole? So real quick, the part that sets me off about this is that any article you ever read on this, it makes it crystal clear that this will not be apocalyptic. Maybe we'll have some, no, we'll potentially have some satellite communication issues that could affect our power grid and telecommunication systems, and that's going to be unfortunate. But don't worry, it's not a doomsday. I'm like, okay, first of all, if the grid goes down, that is doomsday. But number two, they don't know what they're talking about because they claim that the geomagnetic pole shift is because of the interior, whether it's iron core or whatever it is,

the molten core does a shift. And because of it, that's why the compass will flip. But I'm like, if you look at the nature of earthquakes, some originate in the crust, others originate in the mantle, in the parts that aren't solid. So I'm like, if you're saying that the interior that is molten does a shift, why on earth would you suggest that it wouldn't cause earthquakes or volcanic activity on the surface? So I feel like every article I ever read on geomagnetic pole shifts, they go out of their way to say, don't worry, it's fine. And I'm like,

but yet the evidence shows that it's accelerating. Back in just the 1990s, it was traveling the pole, the North Pole was transitioning at 10 miles a year. Now it's at 40 or almost 40 miles. It's accelerating. And then Adam and Eve story, it talks about actually, no, not the Adam and Eve story. There's a documentary on Nova years ago that the evidence shows that when you've studied all the other volcanic rock for prior known pole shifts, because keep in mind, there's hundreds that are known. This has happened throughout millions and millions of years. This is mainstream science. The poles do flip. But it's not that the earth flips over.

It's that the inside core does. And so your magnetic compass will flip. But it's not that the Earth flips over, it's that the inside core does, and so your magnetic compass will flip. What causes it? So whatever that molten core is, it does a shift inside. It allegedly happens in cycles, and we're long overdue. And when it happens, the other theory is that the Earth's shields

will be diminished. Well, definitely. So we know two things right now, is that the pole is moving. So I think even the South Pole might be off of Antarctica at this point, the magnetic south. And then the magnetic field consequently to this movement is weakening. So we know our magnetic field, and that's where a lot of that danger is going to come from

is if the magnetic field keeps weakening. Now everything cosmically that happens is going to hit the Earth, and particularly us with our electronics, it's all going to get uh he's more easily smashed because the magnetic field is what protects us from solar flares and cosmic radiation and all this stuff so as as as the field and the acceleration of that weakening of the field sorry is accelerating so it's it's getting it's getting weaker faster so we seem to be heading towards an unknown or undetermined time where the poles may shift, like the polarity of the Earth will shift, yeah, and the compasses. And are there any estimates on when this could possibly take place?

According to every article I ever read, like, oh, don't worry, it's probably another thousand years. I'm like, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's accelerating. And if you look, you don't have to Google this, Jamie. I don't know what the – there's a mountain chain in eastern Oregon where it's the evidence of a pole shift, that there was a volcano that was active during the shift. And if you take a compass along the volcanic rock, the compass will slowly start to change. And so wherever like pottery or volcanic rock solidifies, that wherever the North Pole is at that time, it's an imprint and the compass will continue to show that.

It's really fun. Take a compass around volcanic rock and it will move the compass to wherever the North Pole was then. But here's the interesting part is that what it shows is that the pole shift starts slow and then they accelerate to the point where the day that it happens, you could potentially see the compass slowly moving. And then when you go back to this Adam and Eve story talking about the pole shift, they say that the event happens in approximately a quarter of a day, so six hours. So it's like it starts, it comes out of nowhere. And I'm like, what if, like I'm into the cosmic impact that there's unbelievable evidence that definitely happened. But there's other things that happen on Earth, whether it's super volcanoes.

What if that's related to pole shifts as well? And the reason why the evidence wouldn't be necessarily that we couldn't find it is because if the Adam and Eve story, if the details discussed in it are accurate, the reason why we're not seeing the evidence of it is because it flips right back and thus masks the evidence that it ever happened. So it's pretty wild. You guys are freaking me the fuck out, man. Can you, let's just text Elon real quick. He knows. He talks about no writing before 10,000 years and then he's saying it afterwards

and he's talking about deep, deep rabbit hole. I listened to what he says. He's careful with his words. And I mean, since we know there's been five interglacial periods over the last 450,000 years, this is the topic. You want to see something else? President Trump said it too. What did he say?

I have the video on my laptop. It's only 30 seconds long. If you YouTube Donald Trump on climate scientists, basically they're talking about global warming. And he says, he basically interrupts and says, it's going to cool for us though, isn't it? And the scientists are like, oh, that's not what the evidence shows. And he starts, he basically interrupts and says, it's going to cool for us though, isn't it? And the scientist is like, oh, that's not what the evidence shows. And he starts – he kind of laughs.

He goes, I'm not so sure you know that. And I'm like, of course he would know. People are like, oh, Donald Trump's anti-Semitism. He's stupid. I'm like, he didn't just pull that out of his ass. He was saying something. Was this when he was the president? Yes.

This was just a few years ago. This was probably his last year of his term. I have the clip on my laptop. It's a 30-second clip or maybe 20 seconds. He said it's going to cool first though before, isn't it? And I'm like, I look at what Musk is saying and this evidence of the pole shift. I think that the true data on Earth is that the Earth is cold most of the time, that right now we should be grateful that it's nice and cozy because we can live when it's warm. But I think that the data might indicate that Earth is cold more often than it's hot. Well, that's what Randall Carlson has said.

And what Randall Carlson said that really freaked me out, he goes, global warming is not scary. He goes, global cooling is scary. That's what's really scary. But we're so concerned with our own guilt and impact because of industrialized society and what sort of impact we're having on the climate and the earth and our air. And then there's this narrative that just gets repeated over and over and over again, this fear mongering. And everyone gets freaked out. It's not to say that we aren't polluting. We certainly are. Not to say that we shouldn't improve.

We certainly should. But if the fucking magnetic poles might shift and we might get hit by a giant rock from space, we might have bigger problems. Yeah. And we're going to be concentrating on nonsense, which is really par for the course with human beings. We're going to be concentrating on these things that we're really not going to fix over the short term when something might happen that makes all of it a moot point. This is what the doomsday people say. Were you going to say something, Dave? Yeah, I was just going to say, like, that's the analogy is a great one from my friend George Howard says, it's like we're sitting in a car arguing about what channel the radio is tuned to, but the car is sitting on a train track.

And the train is coming eventually. channel the radio's tuned to, but the car's sitting on a train track, and the train's coming eventually. Because the climate change that we're going to get from catastrophic impact or any of these other events that inject kind of energy in from the exterior system, I mean, just all of this current discussion pales into nothingness. And then there's super volcanoes, too, which happen all the time. Look at Yellowstone. Yellowstone's overdue.

Yellowstone is a continent killer. I mean, we have no safeguards in place. There's no... We're lucky that the last essentially 10,000 years with a couple of little blips, things like Burkle Crater, we've had really calm, pleasant weather for most of it. I mean, that's why our civilization has risen. Because if you look at the temperature record and the swings from cold to even colder and back again, I mean, it's up and down. There was all sorts of nasty things happening, you know, more than 10,000 years ago. And ever since then, it's this pretty straight line. It's the reason that we're a civilization now.

And because we think in such short-term timeframes, human lifetimes or, you know, even just a couple hundred years, we just ignore that stuff. But, yeah, if you extend the timeline out far enough, these things are going to happen again. And we should probably be a bit more conscious of them. That's the threat. Someone must know. If there's enough smart people, they should be investigating this.

I'm like, what does Elon know? What do other people know? Some people speculate that the reason for such brazen, poor behavior involving spending with the government and the economy and the U.S. dollar and all these things, some speculate, this is totally a conspiracy, that like the powers that be know something's coming and so they're just going to keep things going until then. Because the way things are being run, it makes no sense.

Well, the World Economic Forum is taking place right now at Davos and Klaus Schwab and George Soros just pulled out of it. They did. What do you make of that? They went to the bunker. Yeah. They did get some pretty big holes in Colorado, and there's a lot of bunkers in New Zealand too that are owned by billionaires.

There's big holes in Colorado? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's also the Cheyenne Mountain, and that's where all the nuclear command is and stuff. And they've been... From from sources unknown i can also tell you that at some point they have i've seen i've eyeballed this like an uh an rfp request for proposal for people to develop uh basically drone systems you know that the movie prometheus where they threw the drones up in their channels they there was a an rfp for people to develop tech

like that because the the government was interesting. The premise was that they wanted to be able to fight in underground cities. Fight? Yeah, like as in for the military. We want to be able to map terrain and have these drones that can navigate in underground space without GPS and map the environment because the combat situation was fighting in underground cities. Because there's going to be a small population of marauding people. Potentially. in underground cities. Because there's going to be a small population of marauding people.

Potentially. And there's very little resources and a small number of humans left alive and civilization will be thrown into chaos. Right. Fun. Yeah, a lot of good time. So much fun.

But let's argue about what gender you should use the restroom. Yes, yes, yes. I'm sure there's people that are exploring that premise, man. They have to be, I think. Smart people, top men, as they call it. They must be looking into it. And so, like I brought up on the first time I was on with you, and then Graham Hancock had a whole episode on it, the Cappadocia underground cities.

There's many of them, and a lot of them can support tens of thousands of people. That almost, to me, looks like a doomsday bunker, like an ark of some kind. Like they could house farm animals. They connect to underground rivers that are 15 stories down. This was sophisticated, and I'm like, that seems... There's underground rivers that are 15 stories down? Yeah. They dug right to them, and here's something else. They say that

there's zero evidence of any type of cave-in, so whoever carved this out of the limestone in there, this was sophisticated. They did so in a way that it didn't collapse in on itself. And yet – and they also must have known that it reached a freshwater source of water down below. So as long as it doesn't get hit directly. Right.

Which you could never predict. Yeah, you'd be screwed. Yeah. Which is where I'd want to be if it happens. This is wild. Have it land on me. Yeah. Look at – there's pictures that show images of it like underground.

Yeah, we've seen those before when Graham and Randall were on last. We talked about these and that they probably used these for short periods of time right post-impact before they came back to the surface again. So they weathered the storm and then came back above and that they had gotten accustomed to this, which is just really wild, man. So this is in Colorado. They're all over the place. They're all over the place. Jamie, you should Google the Cheyenne bunker system.

Do you want to live them? If everything goes sideways completely back to caveman life, do you really want to make it through that? Yes. I've seen enough television shows and movies to know that it's a lot of fun. I'm a prepper. I have my things in place to be safe. And if shit really hit the fan,

I'd want to look after those who are still around. I don't know. Maybe it'd be miserable and I'd be eaten alive by cannibals. How many bullets do you have saved up? I won't answer that. Ask me after the program. Plenty. Plenty. I was a soldier. All right, so you need thousands. You need a lot.

You need a lot. Because people don't realize it here. They're like, oh, a thousand rounds. That's scary. Like, if you're just doing target practicing, you can go through a hundred rounds in minutes. So you would need a bunch. And you'd want a variety of calibers. And you'd want a bunch of each one of those calibers.

Because if you get to a point where you run low low you want to be able to go scavenging and you would want a variety of weapons that can house different calibers you'd want a shotgun you'd want the 556 you'd want probably a nine millimeter because it's the most abundant um and ruger 1022 long rifle you'd want it all yeah yeah the people coming at you though too it's that's the thing like i got a few acres, and you run through the scenarios and stuff like that. The people that are going to come at you from the cities and from those desolate areas, like, they're the winners of that competition. They're going to be the most savage, crazy MFs that have been eating everybody else and taking all their shit. So you've just got to be. And then how long before we start figuring out phones again after that?

How many thousands of years? That's what's really crazy to think of. If things get knocked into the Stone Age, like if you go back to the sophistication of ancient Egypt and you think about what the civilization could have been like. I mean, you're just speculating. You're just trying to just imagine how they could have moved these 500-ton stone blocks 500 miles. You're putting all these things into your mind. And then say, how long does it take to get from that, if you knock back into barbarians, how long does it take to get from that to where we are now?

Well, evidence would suggest something like 6,000 years. Which is wild. It is. If you think about how absolutely fucking ruthless people were 2,000 years ago, doesn't it kind of make sense that those are the ones that made it through and then it took a long time before they calmed the fuck down? Right. So if you go back to whatever it was,

the sophistication level that people were at when they built ancient time, there's been less violence, less crime, less everything. Like civilization has gotten better. We are calming down from now versus the way we were 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 500 years ago. Things are moving in the correct direction. But how long does it take before you have this level of sophistication that allows you to get to the pyramids? And then we're nowhere near that now.

So even on the most conservative speculation that the Great Pyramid is only 4,500 years ago, we're not even anywhere near that now. We're nowhere near the level of sophistication that it took them to build. And we're just guessing as to what kind of technology they had available to them. And as you pointed out with these vases and with just the alignment to the constellations, the sophistication that's involved in the construction to get stones that are tons of stone that you can't even get a razor blade in between.

Like, what the fuck was going on? Here's the fun thing to entertain us about moving the stone. So all that black granite that came from... 500 miles away. Yeah, but the ones that came from the eastern part of Egypt. Oh, the Wadi Hammamit quarry that's in the east. Yeah, in the mountains. In the mountains of... It's nowhere near the Nile.

Right. And so they would have had... Yeah, they would have had the ground. You'd have to go up and down mountains to move these things. There were tens of tons. Like, off cliffs. Because the narrative is like, oh, well, they would have brought these stones up the Nile. Right.

Well, there's stones out there that are on the other side of the Nile in the mountains. So how did they bring those? Enormous stones. Huge. Well, there's 1,000-ton stones. So there's evidence. There's multiple statues that I can show you pictures of that there were single-piece statues. You have the unfinished obelisk in the quarry.

That's 1,200 tons. But then you have at least three or four unfinished statues that were 1,000 tons, single-piece granite. And one of them is in a place called Tanis, which is way up in the north in the delta. That's more than 1,000 miles from where that stone came from. And then moving that thing, I mean, it was around 1,000 tons finished, single-piece granite.

So moving it, you may be at 1500 tons or more like moving that there's there's some there's a there's a quarry in egypt i think it's called the minya quarry which has these blocks they're not they're still attached where they've cut these big blocks out and there's like a image of what looks like a giant pharaoh that's been carved on top of it they're made from limestone now maybe they were never intended to be blocks or maybe they were never intended to be finished but if you assume they're blocks, these two blocks weigh, I think it's 3,500 and 5,000 tons apiece, based on the density of limestone in that region.

They're not disconnected, but that's the scale. We know there's objects up to 1,200 tons, but the fact that they moved them 1,000 miles, and we have examples. There's a stone called the Russian Thunderstone. Have you heard of this? No. So like in the 1700s, they took a big lump of, I think it's granite or something like that, from Finland.

And they shipped it to St. Petersburg and they carved it into a statue. It's still there today. It's the Thunderstone. It's an edifice. It weighed, that's it now. Yeah, that's the finished one. This image here is the right one yeah so this is how they did it in the 1700s the thunderstone and they moved it around 100 150

meters a day took them forever and the only way they did this was by basically sinking giant like logs into the ground to give them a leverage point for these cap stands and they'd move a system of rails big steel rails with steel ball bearings behind it it weighed about 1500 tons and just over a period of just very slow grinding and turning with cap stands and pulleys and these steel tracks they move at about 150 meters a day took them forever and in order to get that thing across the the water from Finland, they had to construct a giant barge, like a huge barge. And on each side of the barge, they would tie up three warships just to try and keep it stable. It's about the same size,

same mass as the obelisk that's sitting in this mountainous quarry in Egypt, in Aswan. It's still in the ground. It's like 1,200 tons of granite. And you're expected to believe that they somehow were going to lift this thing up out of a quarry over these basically big hills and mountains of granite and put it on a little ship that's narrowed in this, what they call it, the harbor there. And it's this tiny little space. I'm like, you're absolutely delusional if you think this was a simple task

that could be achieved with primitive methods and then ship that thing a thousand miles somewhere it's when you speculate when you sit around by yourself because you've thought about this a lot how the fuck do you think they did this look i just take a wild wild ass guess i think there's connections possibly to to gravity manipulation i think anti-gravity had to have a play a part in moving some of this stuff. I actually think there's some connections to some of the work that's being done with this plasmoid implosion technology, the stuff that Randall's been looking into that's coming back to talk a little bit about. The relationship and the sacred geometry aspects of that are similar to the things that we see in some of these cultures in the past. So that may potentially have something to do with the methods that were used in the past, but I'm convinced it was a form of advanced technology.

Now, whether it's our form of technology, because let's face it, we can do things like that today, but it takes hydraulics and diesel powers and cranes and all that stuff. They may have had an entirely different avenue of tech and that you open up in the realm of resonance and acoustics and anti-gravity i think uh resonance in particular might be might have had a played a strong role because that's certainly a feature that you see in some of these older structures whether it's an accident or not but some of them are incredibly resonant the great pyramid generates a tone just on its own that comes from the earth in there um It generates a tone. It does. It generates a low tone. It's basically coming from the earth.

You can hear it or is it? If you're quiet enough, you can, but it's certainly been picked up in a whole number of different experiments where they're measuring the tone. The whole structure does generate a low tone. It's an interesting thing. A lot of these places typically have a connection to underground water as well. We know there's water beneath the Giza Plateau.

Places like the Coricancha in Peru, which is also a giant megalithic building. There's an underwater river near there. We always see some form of flowing water associated with it, whether or not that has something to do with it. I don't know. But it's just in that realm of, I think it's the answers lay in realms of science

that are outside of our current understanding that we should be approaching with an open mind because we might ultimately learn something from it if we do. Instead of just dismissing it, putting it in a box and said, you know what, we're superior to every civilization that's lived before. Right. They're primitive. They did it with primitive methods. Right, right.

All things are a frequency. All things operate on resonance. And by the way, a quick little bizarre similarity when you're mentioning anti-gravity, that Dr. Chan Thomas, who wrote the Adam Neve story, he was researching anti-gravity for McDonnell Douglas back in the 60s. So Jamie, put that back up, please. website claims that the ancient Egyptians benefited from the sound in the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza and relied on the discovery of a dead end in the rock inside the pyramid room as a tube of acoustic resonance that generates ultrasonic waves at a bass frequency within five hertz. This raises the questions of the importance of ultrasound for the ancients. And can we find the use of sound waves between ultrasound for the ancients and can we find

the use of sound waves between ancient cultures elsewhere in the world yeah all the boxes too the serapium is an incredible site that that houses like 25 of the biggest stone boxes you'll ever see it's this one spot and they're the biggest ones they're like some of them are up to like 70 tons with their lids 30 tons and we've I've been there with some people that have been measuring like the frequency resonance range inside there. So what range are you generating standing waves? And they all seem to have a very similar resonance tone to them. So it's an interesting experiment. Like you can stand inside a water tank or a concrete room and find a resonance.

But it's interesting to go and actually analyze those aspects of these ancient structures and to speculate maybe has this got anything to do with what they were made for because these are giant precision made boxes made from cyanide and granite that are perfectly flat and square and they're just massively solid they went to tremendous effort to remove imperfections from the stone no No cracks. Almost like they didn't want the damn things to shake apart or vibrate. Well, it's just the sheer scale of them. It flies in the face of logic. Like the actual archaeologists that want to lock this down and try to come up with some sort of a conventional reason. And, you know, some sort of an explanation that we can all get behind.

Oh, they used pulleys and pushed them on logs. Like, shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. What you're saying doesn't even make any goddamn sense. It's way more likely that there was incredibly sophisticated technology that existed. And it's way more likely in face of the evidence of the Younger Dryas impact theory that that shit was wiped out. And that we're talking about a really advanced civilization that lived a long time ago.

It's more advanced than we are today, but moved in a different direction. Like we moved in the direction of combustion engines and electronics. And they moved in some other direction, but achieved maybe many thousands of years more sophistication in that direction that we have with our internal combustion engines and electricity and all the shit that we use. And it's important for people to understand that these primitive methods that are suggested and pushed very hard by the quote mainstream, they don't test any of these. Like show me them moving, you know, a thousand ton stone on logs.

Let's see that. They don't show, they've never cut one single box, like you said, in half, or even completed one single average size box, or any box, and when I say box, I'm talking about a stone block with the primitive methods. Well, you have shown that they've moved that one 1,000 ton

stone. The Thunderstone, yeah. But there's no, again, they weren't using railway tracks and ball bearings. Sophisticated, but also the way it's constructed. It's just a rock. It's not like this amazing obelisk that's carved out of a mountain a thousand miles away. There's nothing like that. There's also no evidence for it in dynastic Egypt.

That's the other thing. The earliest parts of, look, the crazy thing about it is in the Old Kingdom, the mainstream archaeologists there's some disagreement on this but in general they don't give them the they don't grant them the ability to even quarry granite they say that in the old kingdom they couldn't quarry granite they made all of their granite artifacts from surface granite it's just it's the most it's the craziest thing no no wheel no use of the wheel uh never in the egyptian civilization did they grant them the use of the pulley it was it was literally horsepower, ropes, levers, and wooden sleds. That's it. The Romans came along and the Greeks, and they started using pulleys and force multipliers and stuff like that.

But there's no evidence for that in the dynastic Egyptian civilization. Have you ever had a conversation with all the information that you have at your disposal, like right off the top of your head? Have you ever had a conversation with a conventional archaeologist that wants to argue this with you online i mean on email a couple times but not in life what do they say on email it's it's it's a lot of it i want to keep my job that's what they say i think there's a bit of that if you read my text i shouldn't be an expert but fuck you yeah i have i bought a bmw you piece of shit you're trying to take it from me i'm tenured yeah they do they say like oh we know how they did it because they talk about it so for example with the giant statues right there's there's a scene on a wall

it's called the duty hotep image and it shows the egyptians like there's it's all you see these dudes in profiles an egyptian drawing, dynastics made the drawing. And there's 156 dudes when you count them all up, and they're pulling a statue that's tied to a wooden sled. Now, we know this statue, there's parts of it still exist. First, it's alabaster. It's not granite. Second, it weighs about 56 tons.

That's fine. And you're dragging it on a wooden sled. You can't use that to explain how you move a thousand ton statue. It's just, it's not like a sliding scale of difficulty. It's, it's, you know,

there's a, there's a curve to it. Like you can, you can move. I do grant them the ability to use primitive methods to move stuff up to like a hundred, 150 tons. But once you start getting to 400, 600,

a thousand tons, material failure, wood's not an issue that literally sleds would just be crushed or driven into the ground. You know, you, you, it's, it's, there's a, wood's not an issue. Literally, sleds would just be crushed or driven into the ground. There's an absolute scale of difficulty that gets applied to these massive objects. Also, what are they using to cut these things out of the stone? Well, that's a whole other mystery, particularly in the quarry. We can see different technologies and tool marks. We know, and this is funny because in the New Kingdom, the 19th Dynasty, there's Ramses the Great, the greatest pharaoh of all time, right? He was quarrying granite from the Middle Pyramid for his own projects.

He was taking the granite casing blocks. And the way they did it and the way that they still do it to some extent is they would hammer out with a flint chisel or even with steel. You hammer away. You make a little groove in the granite. You smash wood into it. You make all these grooves. You wet the wood and you split the stone, right? Eventually, you hammer at it with chisels.

You wet the wood. All this pressure gets on it. Your object is to split a piece of stone, crack it off, and then I take that piece of stone. It fails all the time. And you see this mark all over the place. You see it in the quarry. You can even see later examples of these chisel marks where they've gotten big chisels. And this might have even been like hundreds of years ago.

Not Egyptian civilization, but like the Persian civilization that lived there. And then at the quarry, you have these scoop marks. Like you have this whole other technology that exists where it's like they've scooped away at the granite with an ice cream scoop and it's gone it's under there's a place where you can get it under a piece of stone look they'll tell you that it's this skull was a it's a pounding stone of dollar right about that big and they reckon they were doing this with it which is it doesn't make sense at about 15 different levels that i do go through in autistic detail in one of these videos but you know you these scoop marks extend to like the underside of rocks where you're pounding up and it's just it doesn't make sense

none of this fits uh the evidence that gets presented and it it's there's something else at work here like there's there's there's some other technology that's been used to to remove this granite at a rapid rate like the scoop mark in the obelisk is it's a whole other mystery but it's we see it also on other bits of unfinished stone. You see scoop marks on some of the blocks on the third pyramid that are unfinished. You see them at the Assyrion, which is a massive underground granite structure that's at the Temple of Seti I with granite blocks that weigh like 90 tons. When we were in Egypt together and we're at Aswan, they actually have a granite block with these dolerite hammers that are round dolerite black stones that are like eight, 10 pounds a pop. And you're allowed to bang away at it.

I have video of one of my videos on YouTube. It's me doing it. And if you ever take an eight to 10 pound weight and start banging across, first of all, it feels like you're gonna get arthritis within a few minutes. And you see that you're only chipping away particles of dust. It is the least feasible explanation ever. And anyone that simply picks up one of these dolerite hammers and bangs away on a piece of granite themselves will see that it's nonsense. And not only that, those scoop marks that you mentioned, I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to type in Aswan unfinished obelisk, and you see these scoops, they're symmetrical. It doesn't make sense that that would be done by handwork.

See, that's what we're talking about. And that's in rose granite. That's as hard as a rock, so to speak. I'm having a hard time understanding how that's even possible. It looks like it was sandblasted. It's something that's scooping the granite out. You actually have these test pits as well, like these pits that go down like 15, 20 feet. Look at the size of that.

Oh, boy. You have these holes around the side of it where they call them test pits because what you want to do, and this gets back to my comment about the ability to quarry granite, is the quality of granite that it takes to take an object like that or like...

This is actually from a guy that went on my tour. The quality of granite that it takes to make large objects like that and a lot of the quality of granite that we see on the Giza Plateau, you're talking 30 feet. There's a test pit. Yeah, that's a test pit. They're like 30 feet inside a granite mountain. None of that, you don't get this quality of granite at the surface level

with just granite pieces lying around. And you can go to Giza today, 4th Dynasty, and look at the blocks of granite that were hanging off the the valley temple or the the pyramid temple and they're huge crystal occlusions in them like this stuff came from the core of granite mountains you can't say that the dynastic and the old kingdom guys didn't have the ability to quarry granite maybe they didn't but whoever made those granite blocks sure as hell did because that's where it comes from real quick this image right down here that black rock is the dolerite hammer. And when Ben was just mentioning

from underneath these scoop marks, so they wanted to claim that that's how they did it, that they were banging away with this rock, basically upwards. Well, yeah, you actually get, there's a consistent line. So on the wall behind where we're standing, it's like 20 feet high

and you'll see a horizontal ridge that runs all the way down that line underneath and then up underneath the other piece of rock. It's like this consistent groove. This is exactly what I did. He's banging on it with a dollar-eye pounder. Nothing about this is fun. Are they trying to say that this is how they did it?

Yes, they make you watch a video, Joe. They indoctrinate you at this site. It's the one site where they sit you down and make you watch a video before you're allowed to go out and look at the site. Really? 10, 12 minutes. They make you watch it? Yeah. There's a video that says, this is how they did it.

It was incredible. They're insistent. And what's wild is that if you just do it, when you do something yourself, you realize just like that's not, I don't know how they did it, but it wasn't this. There we go. I filmed this. These are wonderful gentlemen that traveled with us to Egypt back in November. A couple of engineers there. Yeah.

Yep. So it is possible to do that with the stone. Yeah, yeah. But not feasible and certainly not on the scale of those obelisks. That's right. There's been some tests that have been done, and I get into it and I think it's something like uh I gotta say about 70 cubic centimeters or something like that that you can remove with that method over a solid hour and I think it's it's either 50 or 70 but it's put it this way it's three quarters the volume of a golf

ball or two two-fifths the volume of a chicken egg like that's how much material you can remove in an hour by just non-stop pounding of granite dust. That's the best estimate we have. So what you've got to imagine is that entire trench around this obelisk, bear in mind the trench is only two-thirds as deep as it needs to be to remove a square section, but if you filled that whole thing up with golf balls and added another 25%, that's the number of hours it might take to do that. Go back to that past image? With that method.

Is the idea that that obelisk was left there because of the crack? Yeah. Supposedly what they tell you is it developed a crack across the center and they left it there. I think the crack could be the result of later quarrying attempts. When they found this, it was utterly buried. There was one small section of it poking out, but the rest of it at the bottom here was under 9 meters of rubble and there were other big quarried

blocks. I actually think this could have been here long, I think the Egyptians were using the quarry but I think this object could have been, they just poured stuff onto it, it just was at the oldest part of the quarry. And what's the wackiest explanation for these scoop marks? Wackiest?

I mean it's not worried whatsoever about people's interpretation of you and your ability to discern reality. It's like some sort of molecular softening tool that just comes in and scoops it out. Molecular softening tool. Like can soften the stone, can change the molecular bonds beneath the stone. the stone, can change the molecular bonds beneath the stone, because it's made up of all these granites, like a composite material made up of a bunch of different types of hornblende and crystal quartz and a bunch of stuff like that, and then just being able to somehow scoop it out. I don't know.

It's as if it looks that way when you look at it. You've got to think it's either some sonic tool, there's something going on that is enabling them to scoop that material out of there in an effortless fashion. These scoops in places, it's almost as if they articulate. We see in places, in a recent observation we made, they're not just straight down, but they bend. So imagine a backhoe arm. It's digging here and it does this. And you see that in some of these scoops. They literally, there's an articulation to these lines. So maybe there was a tool that was anchored and it almost looks like it had a very flexible tip,

but it was some rotating tool that just chewed out this stone. And that's where Chris Dunn goes with it is, you know, there may be some sort of rotating tool. The interesting thing about the quarry also is that there is, in an area, there is drawings on the wall of the quarry where there's all these scoop marks of these ostriches and it matches pre-dynastic drawings so it's almost as if there were people

in that quarry making paintings on pre on earlier done scoop marks before the dynastic egyptian even start civilization even started so it's i think i think that scoop mark stuff is absolutely a part of this ancient lost civilization. And it's one of their working areas. There's a tremendous value in seeing unfinished work because we get to have a little bit of insight into how did this tool potentially function? How did it work? You have to have an open mind to kind of look at it that way. We see the same thing on a couple of objects that are unfinished.

There's some incontrovertible evidence for machining and things like that in other objects. It hurts my brain. It really does because you start thinking like what happened? Like what are we talking about? Like what kind of technology that was achieved 20,000 years ago or whatever it was. You really, there's nothing there. Like you're just spinning your wheels, just guessing. Right.

Speaking of technology, Jamie, you should Google the Khufu ship because the largest vessel that's ever been found from ancient Egypt is- A canoe. Basically. And now, and there's no other depictions. Now, I'm not suggesting that no one's suggesting that this boat was used to tug and move around large stones. But it's worth mentioning that of all the, you know, descriptions that you see, or inscriptions, excuse me, this 140 foot long boat is the largest boat ever found. That's a bullshit boat, too, by the way.

I've said it before, and I feel bad, but it's a shitbox in comparison. Look at it. It is a total shitbox. It's such a bad design. Look at how low. It has very little depth in the water, so it will have very little stability. And then it's also top-heavy. It's like driving around in a fucking sprinter van on a racetrack.

Top right over. Yeah, any wave at all is tipping that bullshit boat over. And they found this right next to the pyramid, by the way. Yeah. Which is pretty fun. And you get the same thing here. It's like there is a wall scene at Saqqara where they show a very small column on a boat. Like it's a column that barely comes up to a guy's knees and it's on a boat.

It shows them shipping a small column, and they go, see? Click on that one by your cursor, Jamie. No, the one above it to the left. To the left. Right there. Above it and to the left. You've got to use the laser pointer. That one.

Yeah, I should have. Imagine taking your kids on that. You wouldn't. Hey, kids. It'd be irresponsible. We're going to go out into the ocean on that. I don't know if that's an ocean boat. Your kids would be taken for that.

Whatever. Even a river. Fuck out of here. Yeah. That's for like a pond. Everyone's going to boat. Your kids would be taken from you. Whatever. Even a river. Fuck out of here. Yeah. That's for like a pond. Everyone's going to die. That's for a pond. Yeah.

That's a swan boat. Is there any evidence that they even have life preservers back then? Do they have a vest? It didn't matter because they had the hippos and crocodiles to take care of it. Oh, Jesus. Hippos and crocs. I forgot about those. But that's the point.

The point that's significant in this is that that is the largest boat that they've ever found. And my point is, is that if they're going to claim that they were moving, you know, 100 ton stone blocks on barges, I just want to iterate that they've never found one. And there was no inscription that shows anything large enough that would have done it. Right. Right. And there's also no inscriptions at all of the constructions of the pyramids. That's right. Zero. Well, so there is of the constructions of the pyramids. That's right. Zero. Well, so there is, but not the big ones. There's a tomb of the nobles that's over near on the west bank of the Nile at Luxor,

but it shows them literally making mud bricks and building a mud brick pyramid. Mud? Mud bricks, which is – they made a lot of mud brick pyramids, but later. Well, there was one person at one point in time that was speculating that the pyramids were made with concrete. They devised some sort of a way to make concrete out of granite. The geopolymer theory drives me nuts on a daily basis. But it seems like total horseshit. It is.

Yeah. It is. Look, it's an interesting- Especially since they know the quarries. The quarry's right there. There's literally holes in the ground that match the objects that we have. Behind the middle pyramid is... The middle pyramid, they cut it out of a hill.

Like, they cut it into a hill. It's crazy. Like, they had to cut down 40 feet at the back and put these massive tiles into the front. They plopped a pyramid on it for some reason. But at the back in that area where they cut the wall down, it's a quarry. You literally see where there's... That's where they cut big blocks of limestone off. The little stubs from the blocks are still there. I mean, yeah, we have quarries.

And not only that, all the blocks are different sizes. They're not one-offs. So if you were literally filling in geopolymer, you would have a lot that are the same size. You would have a – you'd be filling it. And so since they're all different sizes, it's like that doesn't – that's not what you would have if they were filling. What is the speculation as to why they're different sizes? Like why do they do that? Like one of the cool things that you showed in one of your videos which shows the similarities between the construction methods of ancient Japan and Peru and Egypt is that so many of these stones, they're like these odd shapes that like a jigsaw puzzle.

And they fit in perfectly. Polygonal. Yeah. Oh, don't worry, that's just a coincidence. These polygonal walls that are found in multiple continents around the world, the fact that there's pyramids in five continents around the world. They say it's a coincidence. This is a natural

progression of civilization. A pyramid's like, oh, it's come on. Kids with blocks will make a pyramid. Makes sense, which is why we make them today. Right. But if you look at comparisons of the Indonesia pyramids and the ones in Central America and Mexico, like they have similarities of like the strip steps that go up the middle of it.

I use the analogy of like skyscrapers, that we have skyscrapers in any major city around the world. And they're all the same based on that. Yeah, you have steel and concrete and glass, but they're all different. You'd have a different architect here and they look a little different, but it's still the same thing. But is it really feasible to say, or is it a coincidence that they just happened to start building pyramids on multiple continents around the world or these polygonal walls that are,

whether it's from Peru, Egypt, places in Italy, Greece. There's a pyramid in Greece. I don't know if you saw that in the video. Yeah, let's look. Pull up your video. Tell Jamie what that video is, just so we can see some of the images that compare these polygonal walls. If I was Elon Musk, you know what I would do? I'd hire someone to make a pyramid. I'm like, let me see if you can do it.

Who's the best motherfucker around? I'm going to throw a billion dollars at this project. I bought Twitter for $44. Might as well put a billion into it. Make me a pyramid, bitch. It's got to do it. Make it as accurate as the right pyramid is. Or I want my fucking money back.

Shit better line up. I think it'd be wonderful, by the way, that Joe tweeted it this morning. So it'll be the first one that he tweeted. It makes it easy to find. Yeah, I was tweeting it when I was watching. I was like, people need to watch this. This is nuts. I appreciate that.

And what was I going to say? I had something. South American polygonal walls. I mean, it's literally the most difficult way to do it. That's the crazy thing. It's like this is not how you solve the building a wall problem. Like if you say they got to it for a different, just independently, like making these complex polygonal walls,

that's not how you solve that problem. Is there any speculation to what the advantage of polygonal walls would be? Well, they say that. It's definitely true. So, yes, you don't have a single line of vector of force, so it won't tip over. But this is where I get crazy about things like the Giza Plateau. You have both. You have polygonal walls that are made like that at Giza

from the 4th Dynasty, and then you also have much more regular construction from smaller limestone blocks also at the 4th Dynasty at Giza that are still standing. It's like they've all been through earthquakes. Both types are still here. I mean, it's difficult to say that, oh, they just made it that way to make it earthquake-proof. I'm like, half the Shatir is still standing up.

It went through earthquakes. It's fine. So here you see one from Egypt, one from – go back – one from Mexico. Mexico and Cambodia. And one from Cambodia. And what is the explanation for the ones in Cambodia? Do they know who built those and why? That's a good question.

I'd have to refresh my notes on that. They go more modern civil, like more modern ancient cultures, I guess. Nothing vastly ancient. They're like 1500 years old. They're not supposed to be 4500 years old or something like that. And the reason why this is significant is because if the Great Pyramid is 4500 years old,

my argument is that there are connections across the oceans that are not supposed to exist. Because according to everything, they're adamant. It wasn't until Christopher Columbus, 1492, sailed the ocean blue. But yet there's evidence that goes back more than 1,000 years prior that suggests— Just press play, Jamie. Just press play so we can see some of these images because they go pretty rapid fire. And it's really, really well done, this video.

And I'm glad that you gave credit to all the people that helped you out in that too. Yeah, there's the polygonal walls. There's this nub phenomena. There's these similarities across numerous continents. Yeah. It's really wild stuff because it's so obvious that somehow or another these people had to be in communication with each other or sharing information or had carried information from other places.

Right. You know what? This is the same video that has the Egypt-Japan sarcophagus similarity. I don't remember if it's earlier in the video or later in the video, but if you skip around. And what part of Greece is that? It's not Athens. I'd have to double check. I made this video like three years ago, so I'd have to double check.

I haven't looked at this in a while, to be honest with you. Well, there's also the weirdness of the Acropolis and the Parthenon, right? Like that the Acropolis was built on the Parthenon, but like what? Who built that? Yeah. They don't even talk about it. Right. Look at that fucking-

That's Sacsayhuaman. Yeah, this is Peru. That's in the streets of Cusco. Is it really Sacsayhuaman? That sounds like a hot chick. Sexy woman. Sacsayhuaman. Yeah, this is Peru. That's in the streets of Cusco. Is it really Sacsayhuaman? That sounds like a hot chick. Sexy woman. Sacsayhuaman. Yeah, it's Italy.

Look, they have them in Italy too. Wow. These polygonal walls, you can find them in Japan, Peru. Easter Island. Yeah, Easter Island. And who do they think built these in Italy? A lot of it's attributed to the Romans in the same way that Baalbek is all attributed to the Romans, which doesn't make any sense. Like not the foundation of it, the giant stuff.

The trilithon stones. Incredible. Yeah, 800, 900 tons. Yeah, three of them, 900 tons each. Look at that. It's just so strange because it's such a strange way of constructing things, and yet it exists all over the world. Right. It's actually the most difficult way to construct something.

It is. And we're looking at this after thousands of years. Right. Who knows how many earthquakes, weather erosion. Look how good the Peru one is, though. That's amazing. Some of the details in these are astonishing. These little tiny notches, but it's just matched throughout.

It's matched on all the sides of the stone, and it's not just surface level either. It goes all the way through the mating surfaces of the stones. This is the Valley Temple in Egypt. God, it's so wild. That's the Assyrian. I can just tell by the stones. Look at the Japan one. Now, most people aren't even aware of this one from Japan.

And when do they date these Japanese structures? I'd have to double check. I know they're accredited to be in some castle by some guy. I'd have to double check, but I'm going to go ahead and guess 1,000 to 1,500 years. Go back just a little bit, Jamie. But I think they're probably older. The Japan one, not this one. Right there.

Bam, stop. Look at the size of that one stone. Yeah, probably 500 tons, I bet. 400 probably. Holy shit. Yeah, around there. Just eyeballing it. I've been doing this long enough. Yeah, probably 500 tons, I bet. 400 probably. Holy shit. Yeah, around there. Just eyeballing it. I've been doing this long enough. I mean, look at that gentleman who's

standing there. Depends how deep it is, I guess. But yeah, it's a giant piece of stone. And imagine him pushing that thing. Logs of olive oil. Who fucking put that? It's above the other ones. Yeah. Right? It's not even the one that's on the bottom. How? Let's see that sarc one that's on the bottom. Yeah.

How? Let's see that sarcophagus compared to the one in Egypt. I'm not sure what part of the video. Look at the one above it and to the right. Oh, yeah. God. Oh, I should use this. Look at that one there.

Yeah. That one and that one. Immense. I mean, it's just so incredible. Keep going a little bit more. It can't be too far off. A little bit. You're going too far, I think.

Yeah, I think. Because when people are about to see this, it is such an unbelievable similarity. And, again, ancient Japan and ancient Egypt are not supposed to have any type of contact whatsoever. Yeah, exactly. It may have any type of contact whatsoever. Yeah, exactly. It may have been early in the video. I'm not sure. Just keep going.

I don't think it is. It may have been one of the earlier part. I don't believe so. I watched it today. I think it was later. Might be able to search for like Japanese sarcophagus lid or something. You need to have those little things where you can just jump to it. Some people do that in those videos. Oh, this is a question.

Why does he have a fucking watch on? Go back. Isn't that a watch? How dare you? That's impossible. Stop. What the fuck is that? It's jewelry.

It looks like a watch. I mean, maybe it's jewelry, but it's literally on his wrist, and it's a circle, and it's with a band. Right. I mean, what is that? Is that a sundial? What the fuck is on his wrist? It's a mini anti- it's with a band. Right. I mean, what is that? Is that a sundial?

What the fuck is on his wrist? It's a mini anti-katharine mechanism. I mean, it looks like my watch. It does. It does. That's crazy. A lot of people, I saw many, many comments of people saying the same thing. That's a watch.

But, you know, of course, the explanation is like, of course not. Just jewelry. Nothing to see here. But it does look like it, doesn't it? The explanation is like, of course not. Just jewelry. Nothing to see here. But it does look like it, doesn't it?

Well, it just makes sense that if they developed weapons and they developed clothing and they developed shelters and then they figured out mechanisms, if they had the sophistication to be able to construct these buildings, why wouldn't they have the sophistication to be able to construct a watch? Right. An automatic watch. If you want to talk about ancient technology, speaking of this, like on the left, that trident, many accredit it to being originated from the Vajra. And did you see Elon Musk's bedside table picture that he put on Twitter? Yes, I did, but I don't remember a trident. Was there a trident in there?

Look, the Vajra, which comes from the trident, or the trident comes from that. He had that in the lower left corner of the picture. If you go to, if you were to Google Elon Musk bedside photo, lower left corner, that is the symbol that comes from ancient Hindu that is supposed to be the most powerful thing in the entire universe. This is a staged photo. I don't know if Elon Musk is trolling or if he's literally, because he's been talking about that he thinks that his life could be in jeopardy. He's going against the grain

and all this freedom of speech stuff. And I don't, see, bottom left corner. Yeah, click on that. The Buddhism ritual object, if you Google the Vajra, the A J-R-A, that would, it's an ancient symbol. Like how he has a cosplay gun and caffeine-free Diet Coke. I don't know what that's about. He needs to get rid

of those Diet Cokes. Oh. Well, he likes it. That's... No. No? Awful. Why? You like that? What do you mean? Like Diet Coke? Yeah. I don't mind Diet Coke. Yeah? You drink Diet Coke? I've drank Diet Coke before. You're into that artificial sweetener scene? I'm not

worried about it. No? No. When I talk to nutritionists, I don't think it's really that big of a deal. Depends on how much you're drinking. I mean, it looks like Elon's drinking a shit worried about it. No. When I talk to nutritionists, I don't think it's really that big of a deal. Depends on how much you're drinking. I mean, it looks like Elon's drinking a shit ton of it. Because he's got like the stains on the thing. But all right. He's drank four of them. And they're caffeine free, which is weird.

Yeah. So between that George Washington pistol and the fact... This is a staged photo. That's not a George Washington pistol. That's a cosplay pistol from a video game. No, the one above it. The musket. Oh, the one above it.

This is a video game. No, the one above it. The musket. Oh, the one above it. This is a staged photo. So the fact that he has that Vajra in the lower left corner, I wonder, this is conspiracy, which I'm all into, is he essentially sending a shot off the bow to the people who he thinks are going after him, which is that I have knowledge of something involving, because here we are. We have Randall Carlson. You bring him back on. There's all this speculation that there has been a limitless energy device that has come from the ancients that has been essentially redeveloped. And then in a short period of time, you have Elon

Musk posting this picture while he's also talking about that he believes that his life could be at jeopardy. He's taken certain security precautions. This is a staged photo. It makes no sense. November 28th, 2022, my bedside table. This, at 3.48 a.m., what is this? Either he's trolling, and maybe, or is he trying why would he put that Vajra right in the lower left corner? The symbol that means that other people can

correlate with a limitless free energy technology that may have once existed, and that's where the trident comes from. So, I don't understand, how was the Vajra, how did it supposedly work? Oh, that is a whole other thing. Like, that I couldn once existed, and that's where the trident comes from. So I don't understand. How was the Vajra, how did it supposedly work? Oh, that is a whole other thing. Like, that I couldn't explain, but it's essential. But it's supposed to represent limitless energy? Some have said that.

What it does represent in Hindu culture is the most powerful weapon and device of the universe. Do you know any more about it, Ben? It's a bunch of string. No, I don't. I know this is the other stuff, the handbag. I was going to ask, can I go pee while you guys talk about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to pee too, actually. Alright, let's pause. Really bad. You guys go

pee. Alright. We'll be right back. And we're back. Are we back? We're back. That was excellent. Thank you, sir. Relief. Alright, so where were we? History's bullshit. That's right. And Elon Musk has all the secrets. He's got something. He's got some Thank you, sir. money and he overpaid for it, but it felt like there's a need to have some sort of an uncensored distribution of information or at least ungovernment censored. This is why I'm such a fan of them.

Anyone at this point in time, there's an advocate for free speech. I'm on your side. This is, we live in a wild time. We, anyone with their eyes that's paying attention sees that there's people controlling information. And throughout history, this has been proven time and time again to lead to tyranny when you stop people from sharing things. So I'm 38 years old. And growing up, I remember back in the day, people could say whatever they wanted. Free speech was real. You're allowed to have it.

Worst case scenario, people ridicule you. And everything was fine. And now we're entering this age where things are being called dangerous, like ancient apocalypse. That's dangerous misinformation. It's like, no, the only thing dangerous is stopping people from having a voice. Well, also, once you start attributing when you put words on that, like racism

and you start putting those kind of accusations towards, if you watch that special, the series, and you say, oh, this is racist, you're a fucking idiot. I mean, it's really that simple. Or you're a dangerous asshole who wants to change

the reality of what this guy's actually talking about. Right. Throughout history, anyone, whether it's the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Maoists, and everyone else, anyone that's ever censored people, the people who censor other people, they're always the bad guys historically. Always. Always.

100% of the time. And it always leads into a bunch of people getting hurt and it's like rinse, cycle, repeat throughout history. But if this is one of the first times where educated progressive people think of themselves as compassionate are advocating censorship, which is so bizarre. It's the same people

actually. Same people, same argument that they made three years ago against him. The Journal of American Archaeology, or the Society of American Archaeology, dedicated 27 pages in a journal three years ago to attacking Hancock for his book America Before. Yeah. Same accusations, same language, same people. And then I think what happened was when his show comes out and it's got you're there.

I think Jordan Peterson was in one of the clips. And I think it triggered some of the more maybe left-leaning publications to go and look for what are the arguments being made against this. And then all those talking points get amplified and boosted and it becomes this much bigger thing. Well, they're just terrified that they're losing control of the narrative. I mean, that's the big part of it. And that's the same problem they have with this podcast,

the same problem they have with a lot of things that have become very popular that they can't control. They just hate the fact that people are just able to discuss things openly and freely without them being in control of it and getting all their greasy fucking fingers all over stuff. Right. being in control of it and getting all the greasy fucking fingers all over stuff. Right. It's unfortunate in more ways than one because historically it always leads to like a terrible abyss of oblivion and they never stop. That's the thing.

Once they start going after tyrannical control, historically it seems like it just never ever stops until someone stops them. Yeah. Which is scary. It is. It is scary. But the reality is that I look at this topic, you know, there's a niche community there into the ancients. And whether it's archaeologists

that disagree with everything we just said, or other people that agree with everything Graham Hancock says, this is a win-win for everybody. I think this is an opportunity for people to unite under a common interest and then start exploring these topics. For example, if I had won the lottery, I would have hired a bunch of archaeologists that are the biggest naysayers of anything that's alternative and be like, hey, here's a salary. Let's get some blocks and then start cutting this stuff and moving it and just experiment. And it's a win-win for everybody. We'll learn something new. They wouldn't engage.

They wouldn't engage with you. I mean, that's one of the problems that Graham has with his detractors. They say they'll debate him, but then when he offers them to debate him, they scurry away and hide. Right. Because I think they all kind of know, and I don't think they're necessary anymore. Thanks to people like you guys who have really just examined all of the actual evidence without any biases or any sort of ulterior motive and any narrative that you're trying to promote. You're just looking at it going, what is it?

This is wild stuff. And because of the fact that you guys exist on these platforms like YouTube, where you can get millions and millions of views, I mean, there are no mainstream archaeologists that are getting millions of views on their stuff. That's why they're better envious and jealous. It does drive them crazy. They actually talk about it in some of these articles. It should.

They suck. You suck at distribution of information, and you're ignoring the most interesting stuff. You know, when you're looking at the evidence of Atlantis, or if you're looking at these similar construction methods that exist all over the world, like how? What the fuck is the real truth here? This is what's so interesting. So a lot of people criticize us or Graham Hancock. Like, you're not archaeologists. You're not historians.

You can't be trusted. But I'm like, having outside eyes come in is so important. Let me give you a quick little example I shared with Ben the other day. So I came from Target. I was investigating fraud with them, busting employees that stole from the company. And there was a story that one of the executives spoke in front of us when I was an intern. And at that time, this is like 2013, Walmart was amping up their online presence to compete with Amazon. And as the story goes, they hired some executive from Pepsi. Pepsi is far more

than a soda company. It is a distributor, if it's anything. They move product from point A to point B. And as the story goes, this executive came in and on day one saw something, some opportunity for improvement that made significant changes with Walmart's ability to compete with Amazon in their online presence. And it's because when you have other people coming in from outside the box, whether it's Ben coming from the tech industry and having patents with HP, should I drop the name? Like some pretty cool stuff. You know, here I was a number of years ago watching Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson

on the Joe Rogan podcast. And I remember like going down the rabbit hole seeing like, okay, let me see if there's some truth to these alternative theories involving bronze chisels. Is this feasible? Is it not? And so I'm convinced that any reasonably intelligent person that simply looks at all points on any side of it can see like, okay, you know, there is something here.

There is a mystery here. And going back to Graham Hancock and ancient apocalypse, with all the criticism he's getting, I don't hear anybody advocating for exploring the Bimini Road. I don't hear anyone asking to excavate the 25,000-year-old chamber in Indonesia. I don't hear anyone talking about anything in the show at all. Here's what's really cool. No one's paying attention to this archaeologist. There's so many more people that are watching the show. Millions of people are watching the show. And how many thousands of people have heard the arguments these archaeologists. There's so many more people that are watching the show. Millions of people are watching the show. And like how many thousands of people have heard the arguments these archaeologists are having? It's a blip. It's literally like they're like yelling into the abyss and no one's listening to them. Yeah. The nature of the discourse has changed in a lot of

ways. I mean, that's- It has. And just having a fucking, look, human beings have accumulated knowledge and information over time. And the idea that there's gatekeepers to knowledge and information, that they have to come from these accredited universities, which are now being widely discredited because of all their wacky social ideas and all the crazy shit that people – it's not necessary. There's just information. And what's so many random people that are experts and that have accumulated vast amounts of data. And like you, you can just pull it off the top of your head. You don't even have any fucking notes you're drawing from. And you're talking about all this different stuff.

I mean, how many archeologists can do that? And how many archeologists can do it about these very specific aspects of this stuff, which is so confusing and is not being discussed in the mainstream. Right. I am optimistic that I see comments on my channel and you get it as well. There's people saying, I'm going to go study archaeology so I can explore these alternative topics. I think there's going to be a new generation. I'm sure there's a lot of that. I'm sure there is. I've been contacted by students, people that I think what's happening

is that they're being, because this stuff is out there and it's it's becoming more mainstream they're being forced to deal with the arguments that are being raised by guys like graham like you just you have to go and account for the evidence you can't just dismiss it which is kind of the prior generation of the old guys and the old guard now that's a lot of the approach they've taken but i'm hopeful also that yeah that because some of these students have said that who will be the establishment academics of the future and potentially also in charge of the textbooks and whatever the official story means. Yeah, the old guard will die off. They will. That's Planck's- That's really how it is with everything.

Planck's, yeah, science advances one funeral at a time. It's- Yeah, isn't that crazy? It's sad. Yeah. It's not though. It's kind of fun. It's kind of hilarious. Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's really amazing. It's sad. Yeah. It's not, though. It's kind of fun. It's kind of hilarious. Yeah, I mean, it's really amazing. It's amazing that there's access to people like you now, that you guys have these platforms like YouTube where you can just put these videos out. And your videos have fucking millions of views and so do yours. It's amazing.

It's really cool. I'm very grateful. And I want to give a plug real quick to Rumble. I've been working with Rumble. I ask anyone who's following me, go follow me on Rumble. I've been working and talking to their team over there. And these people are serious about promoting free speech and having alternatives that are being suppressed elsewhere on their platform. And so I am about free speech. I don't care if people disagree with someone, that's fantastic. But don't censor people. So, all that said, YouTube's been very good to me, and I want to be on

there forever. But, hey, I'll go. I need to diversify, and I encourage anyone that's into my work to follow me there. Ben, you're on there as well, right? I am on Rumble as well, yep. Yeah, no, I think it's fantastic that Rumble exists. I mean, the Russell Brand is over there now, and, you know, there's so many journalists who've started to

do stuff over there. It's great. I love it. Because I can channel Adam Curry for a minute and talk about when you talk about the internet and access to information outside of establishments, one of the dangers I do see in it is the fact that we now, the internet kind of gets distilled down to these portals. Everyone looks at it through a portal, whether that's a Google search or a Facebook or a big social media engine. You could set up your own website outside of that, but the trick is how are people going to see it and go and look at it. So I do see there are some efforts, and I came from that background.

You hinted at it. I've worked in data center and cloud and all of that for a long time. And it's just like that control of that information is eventually going to come down to the stuff we're seeing with the Twitter files now, where it's like, hey, we need to de-amplify these things. Twitter files are wild. They are, hey, we need to de-amplify these things. Twitter files are wild. They are wild. Unbelievably wild.

It's wild. The stuff that Schellenberger's released and Matt Taibbi and all these different people that have gone over, Barry Weiss, gone over this data. Crazy. The government has had their fucking greasy fingers in all aspects of it. What have the conspiracies been wrong about in the last few years? Every, well, that was, Elon was joking around about that on one of the podcasts that he was on, where he's like, every single one of them was right.

Right. Every single conspiracy theory about shadow banning, about, you know, lying about information, all of it. It's got to the point now. Six months is the difference. Yeah. It's at the point now you can find, you can figure out so quickly on who is not doing any research whatsoever. And this will sound crass, but I'm just going to say it because I know it's the truth. Most people

are getting their news and information while they're sitting on the toilet, scrolling through social media and just scanning headlines. Yes. And that's it. Including me. My wife always accuses me of that because I'll send her something. She goes, did you read it? I go, no, you read it. Including me. My wife always accuses me of that because I'll send her something. She goes, did you read it? I go, no, you read it. I sent you the headlines. Do you not see the headlines? The headlines, terrifying.

Read that. Tell me what happens. Yeah. It's at the point now people have to start, you know, this is what you do. I hate to bring it up, but the COVID stuff. And I remember when it was first kicking off and they were doing the White House press conferences every single day. And I was listening to every single one of them. And I started to see extremely quickly that all these Trump would say something and then all these

headlines would show up minutes later and contradict what he was saying. And I'm like, oh, this is awesome. Everyone's going to see very quickly that like, you know, the mainstream with their little headlines are so inaccurate. That's not what happened. That's not what happened at all. In fact, what it showed me is that most people are getting all their information from mainstream headlines. Yeah. Well, they counted on that,

right? I mean, when CNN was going after me for taking horse dewormer, they were, they were counting on this idea that they had this control of the narrative, but they didn't understand that I had already achieved like an escape velocity by that time where I had 10 times as many people as them. So I was like, what the fuck are these people doing?

And then it just discredited them further. Right. And literally was doing the opposite they would hope it was doing. Right. Well, it's because there's a difference between true and false, right and wrong, good versus evil. I genuinely believe this. And truth always comes out. People can be had.

It's easy to lie and fool people. But if you continue to lie, that one lie creates five more, and those five lies create 25. And then before you know it, it's out of control, and you can't keep up with it. Yeah, but counter to that is the Soviet Union or what's currently Russia right now. If you have control of the narrative, you can hold on to that control for a long fucking time. And this is why Elon is so dangerous to the establishment. Because all of a sudden, you have one major platform that's not controlled by the government. In fact, when Joe Biden was tweeting shit that's inaccurate, Twitter was fact-checking him.

Like, actually, that's not true at all. This is what you said about the economy is bullshit. And like, wah! And the government's deleting tweets, which is crazy to see. It's disturbing. Let's give Elon Musk a shout out. The best thing I've ever done was pay my $8, and now it's $11 a month for my

blue checkmark on Twitter. I've exploded on there since. I'm getting far more visibility. Best move ever. Freedom of speech. Thank you, Elon. I will gladly, gladly send you another $11 next month. I would pay more. Well, when he even started talking about buying Twitter, just in the process

of that, I think they must have released a bunch of shadow bans, and my shit went up 900,000 Twitter subscribers or Twitter followers in like a couple of weeks. I was like, this is nuts. And now it goes up organically.

I'm like, oh, this is what it's... Normal. Yeah, it's normal. This is like what it's supposed to be. But during the time, I was dangerous. Yeah. Dangerous. He's got a rat meat. Hold him down. He's dangerous. Who allowed this? The funniest part is all those people that dropped $5,000,

$10,000, $15,000. I've even heard of numbers of $20,000 that people paid for a blue checkmark just a few years ago. Really? Yeah. People were buying their way in. They were bribing people? Yeah. Who were they bribing?

The people that worked there. They were making money on the side. The same thing was going down to Instagram. And then apparently Zuckerberg, he shut that down. Which, by the way, I don't care about social media, but I don't have a blue checkmark on Instagram. And I don't know what it's going to take to get one because this would allow me to DM people. Yeah? Yeah.

Contact Zuck. Zuck, yeah. Maybe he can get me off the shadow ban list, too. There's something going on. I used to get way more subscribers per day. Something happened like a year and a half ago. It happened to me, too. I just hit a wall.

The conspiracy is that it's a shadow ban, but there's also a possibility that it's favoring certain things like reels. It seems to favor reels now more than everything else, which is very odd. Do you want to know why? Why?

They are... Let me word this carefully. The bad people, the evils, the dictators, the rulers, the elites. Who? This is, they are conditioning the human mind to be far more of a short attention span. So like TikTok as an example, you are, people can't even focus on anything that's longer than a minute or even 10 seconds. They're scrolling through

and they're not able, it is conditioning people to pay attention less. I don't think it's an accident. You could just, look, it could be an easy way of making money

and that might be the most simple thing. I think it's an easy way of making money because here's the counter to that. This podcast. Right. It's hours long.

Hours. Yeah, but it's the most watched. Yes. Yeah.. It's hours long. Hours. Yeah, but it's the most watched. Yes. Yeah. But it's hours long. And a lot of people watch the whole fucking thing. Right. Or listen to the whole fucking thing.

Like, it's a lot. So it's like the opposite of what we thought. We thought that people aren't interested in learning things. They're not interested in exploring new ideas. They're not interested in long-form conversations. They want things to be quick. That was when I first started doing it. People were going, you got to edit this. I was like, why?

Like, it's too long. So don't listen. Like, I was like, this is what I'm interested in. I'm just going to do what I'm interested in. And it worked. But it's the opposite of the narrative. The narrative is everything has to be 10 seconds long. Tick tock. Keep going. And we're just turning people into zombies.

Well, then that goes back, it verifies what I'm saying or validates. So it's like true and false. If they're going to put something out in short, it's not working. Right. I mean, it might be working in some capacity on some people, but what's this say? New report highlights the decline of Facebook and Instagram as TikTok becomes the new home of entertainment. Oh, my God. So if you need to get advertising. Meanwhile, it should be illegal. They should fucking ban it. Facebook and Instagram as TikTok becomes the new home of entertainment. Oh my God.

Meanwhile, it should be illegal. They should fucking ban it. It's total Chinese spyware. And everyone is like, I'm on time. Go into my accounts and find out my passwords. Passwords, absolutely everything. It's more than just your credit card number, people.

It's literally every single thing in your phone. Every website you search, all the text messages you make, it tracks all of the movements that you make with your thumb, everything. Yeah. There's a saying. Oh, but it's free. It's fun. It's lovely. There's a saying.

Anything that's – if something's free, you are the product. Right. Data. Your data is the product. But it's never been exploited like it is with TikTok. And so they also lied about where the data is going. Oh, it's only staying here in North America. Bullshit.

It's going straight to China. Right. It's crazy. And they're also getting biometric data from people that have fingerprint readers on their phones or face recognition. It's like there's so much data it's getting. It's really spooky. It is spooky. And in this world that we live in, when they're controlling information, the one thing that

freaks me out about talking about history is that they usually, they, as in people who are tyrants that suppress and censor people throughout history, they go after the teachers. They're on there. It's more than just artists. They'll go after the comedians. They'll go after the teachers. Because it's going to be complete control at a certain point where it's like, you do not get to

teach. We were talking about this last night at dinner about how, what's her face down there in New Zealand? Jacinta Arden. Would you say anyone other than the government giving you information is false? The Prime Minister of New Zealand, yeah, at some point. That lady's a creep. Isn't she?

She's making great strides for free. She's literally Orwellian in nature a bit. And you never would have thought that before COVID. No. There's so many of them, like Justin Trudeau. He was a sweet, handsome fella. Nobody would have thought. Stripes got shown, I think.

Oh, my God, on so many people. Gavin Newsom, so many of these fucking people. They seem benign. And then COVID came along and this opportunity to control people and a reason to do so. We're all in danger. And they exaggerate that danger greatly and use it to clamp down on you and force you into these pharmaceutical drugs that you have to take and do this and do that. We got to lock it home and stay here and we're going to redistribute wealth. It's like,

whoa, you guys are fucking demons. I didn't know you were demons. I thought you were just governors and mayors and shit. Shut down all the restaurants, even if it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. My wife and I were talking for a little bit about is it time to maybe move back to Australia at some point and then COVID hits us like no

fucking way. Where do you live now? Northern California. Yeah, get out of there too. I definitely am. That's the next Australia. We're out of the sticks. It's a bunch of, it's a bunch of- Northern California is wild.

It's like, it's a very interesting place. It's all weed growers and cartel people. Yeah, yeah. And I was, I'm in Arizona. Better than Australia still, trust me. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I'm in Arizona.

I thought I was safe. I'm not getting into it, but what they did to Cary Lake, I shouldn't go there. But Arizona was the last free place or one of them because Texas is debatable. Florida is pretty free. South Dakota is free. But Arizona, something – everyone needs to be paying attention to what happened there. Yeah. The irregularities when it came to the reports that people had at the places where they were trying to vote is really wild.

Like I wish I knew what was true so I could actually comment on it. What I witnessed walking my dog in different neighborhoods was a lot of Carrie Lake signs. And I didn't see one single one of Hobbs. And Katie Hobbs, like her social media on Instagram had like 6,000 followers, like literally on the election night compared to Carrie Lakes at like 300,000. And I'm like, that means something. It doesn't necessarily prove anything. But my point is that people I was talking to, she had a huge, huge, huge following. She was doing all the debates.

Katie Hobbs hid. But I know what happened. I mean, I don't have proof. What do you think happened? Are you allowed to say these things? Right? These are the things that go like this to you, Joe. You know what I mean?

This is like one of those things for you. They go like this to you. So you think there was some manipulation that led to someone else winning? Perhaps. You'd have to be stupid not to conclude that. If anyone that's looked into this, it's insulting my intelligence to think that something – let me just say it like this. I just have some questions. That's all.

Well, all the people that were – was it Maricopa County? Yes. Is that the area where they had the most irregularities were also the most Republicans? Yes. Well, I mean, Maricopa County has a lot of blue to it, too. But listen, Trump won there. Lake has provided no evidence to support her claims of election fraud. This is on Newsweek.com, which is totally unbiased. No evidence.

Even her legal case was thrown out by a Maricopa County judge in December. Lake has insisted that the election fraud was involved and Hobbs declared victory and that she's the real governor. Yeah. Yes. But she was also saying that Donald Trump really won and he was the real president. Well, what she said- This gets said almost every election. Let me quote Carrie Lake.

I studied Carrie Lake. Let me quote her because I'm a- Are you a Carrie Lake supporter, bro? Yes. I am a supporter of anyone that's an advocate for free speech, anti-censorship and freedom and my rights. And what she said, a reporter asked her, was pressing her on the 2020 election involving Donald Trump. And she said it very eloquently. She said she asked the reporter, I'm asking you, do you really think that Joe Biden got 81 million

votes? And the reporter's like, do you think so? She's like, no, I'm just asking you. Do you think he did? She's like, I have questions and so do Arizonans. And that's all I'm saying. I just have some questions. I'm allowed to ask questions. I think a lot of people voted for Joe Biden.

Would a lot of people vote again? I don't think so. And I think that's why they're looking into his fucking classified documents that he got in the backseat of his Corvette. Maybe the Democrats

think that too. They're trying to sink that dude. Yeah. I mean, I don't know jack shit about politics, and I'm a little suspicious of their actions. I can't even vote. Good. I think Atlantis is in the Sahara Africa. I don't know anything about politics either.

And Elon Musk, let's excavate the lost labyrinth of Egypt. Excavate the lost labyrinth of Egypt. Let's do that. The problem, I mean, I think one of the problems with elections always is that you can never say there's zero fraud. Because no one thinks there's zero fraud. When you say how much election fraud is there, it's not zero. So what is the number? And how much of it is Republican election fraud and how much of it is Democrat election fraud? I don't know.

You know, I really I remember they had that documentary on HBO back when Bush was president. It was called Hacking Democracy. And it was all about the die bold voting systems and that these voting systems have been manipulated to help the Republicans win. So there's always been this sort of – there's always been this narrative that your elections are not fair. And a lot of that is being reinforced by these troll sites, these troll farms like in Macedonia. They have a bunch of them and then Russia. And they've been doing that to try to undermine our faith in democracy forever. And so a lot of people, they get their information from these websites and Facebook pages that aren't even based in America. And they're purely designed to get us upset at the election process and undermine our faith in the system. And they found out that 20 out of the top 20 Facebook pages,

that 19 of the top 20 were all Russian troll farms, which is all the Christian sites. 19 of the top 20 Christian sites on Facebook were trolls. And it's like they're doing this to try to get people upset about things and undermines our faith in democracy, creates more chaos, and makes us more easily manipulated. It's really bad. And I really wish that we understood.

Look, if so many people thought that Joe Biden would be a great president, well, now, you know, now, you know, he's not. And now, you know, he's he really was in mental decline. And well, maybe you can make a better choice in 2024. And let's sort this out. Right. But when soon as he said, I'm going to run again, they're like, the fuck you are. And then, you know, I think this is the beginning of a bunch of things that will probably come out about him.

They flipped on him. Yeah, they'll turn on him. Yep, that's it. And then they'll put someone else in his place. Newsome waiting in the wings. Yeah, well, I mean, he's problematic because they fucking hate him in California. How are they going to feel about him in Arizona. How are they going to feel about him in Arizona? How are they going to feel about him?

But it's also how much of it can be manipulated by the media. How much can people be manipulated by these headlines that you read while you're taking a shit? How much of these narratives can be shaped to get people to say, look, it's better him than Trump. If it's Trump, we're going to have a nuclear war. If it's Trump, we're going to have a this. We're going to have white supremacists. We're going to have a this and that. Mean tweets, Joe. Let's focus on what's really important. Well, he can't even

tweet anymore because he's got to deal with true social, it seems like. Because they gave him his Twitter account back and he won't even use it. Yeah, I don't think him and Musk are friends, I suspect. I don't think it's that. I don't think him and Musk are friends, I suspect. Well, I don't think it's that. I don't think he's allowed to. I think he has a deal, if I had to guess.

This is pure speculation. But he has his own social media network and it's very valuable, right? So the only way that truth social is valuable at all is if he's not using Twitter. I see. If he starts using Twitter, I mean, he has like 29 million Twitter followers or something crazy like that. If he starts using that, no one's going to pay attention to true social. Like, why would I go over there and watch a bunch of QAnon wackos like scream about

like Pizzagate when there's Twitter? I could just go to Twitter and read what he has to say and see him, you know, arguing with people. Right. Meanwhile, the Taliban's on Twitter and they just bought blue check marks. So people are mad that Trump is back on Twitter. I mean, I saw people, I'm leaving Twitter. Like, do you understand that the fucking Communist Party of China is on Twitter?

Do you understand that the Taliban's on Twitter? Do you understand how many fucking people are on Twitter and you're mad that Trump's back? Hypocrites. Well, it's just like when the guy's on Twitter and he says funny shit, people can attack him, and they can go after him. That's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be like he says something, and then let someone from the left, let Elizabeth

Warren go after him, or let this person go after him. Let them duke it out. Don't fucking silence people. Right. Especially like this idea that it's dangerous to let him speak and communicate. What about you, motherfucker? Someone's gonna say it's dangerous to let him speak and communicate. What about you, motherfucker? Someone's gonna say it's dangerous to have you speak.

Yes, it's gonna come down to it. Like they're gonna keep pushing it further and further and further until like you're gonna have a very narrow window of communication. A very narrow lane of your ability to express yourself and it's not gonna accurately represent people and they're gonna whisper things in pubs and whisper things in coffee shops. And that's going

to be the real truth. Yep. And this is like I was saying a few moments ago, which is that for decades throughout your life, people, we didn't have the censorship. People are allowed to say things. And worst case scenario, they got ridiculed and laughed at and life went on and everything was fine. The merry-go-round of life worked out just fine with everyone being able to say whatever they want to say. And now all of a sudden it's a problem. So they're conditioning the younger demographic to be like, you're right. This is dangerous misinformation. The younger demographic, these Gen Zs, they don't remember what I remember before, like the days before 9-11, being a senior in high school when that went down and just how everything

has slowly started changing since. They don't understand that freedom of speech was always a thing. There wasn't censorship, and everything was fine. And now they censor, and now you see problems. Well, there's also the problem that social media, for the most part, is controlled by the left. It's almost entirely owned and controlled by tech companies who are very progressive and educated and primarily lean left.

They used to be the other way for a long time. They blow with the wind a little bit in terms of political favor and control. But tech has always been different than social media. Tech combined with social media, that form of tech is the distribution of information tech. It's not tech like... Old school tech. Yeah, it combined with social media like that's that form of tech is the distribution of information tech It's not a tack like all like me. Yeah, it's it's so different Devin Nunes the former California congressman who left office to run Donald Trump's app true social as remain quiet as a platform continues to be plagued with issues his app proves

So it's his Devin Nunes. No, no Donald Trump? Yeah. His company runs it. Yeah, yeah. I think they have scaling issues. Well, that's more of a deal with it. No, I'm sure someone paid for it. I'm sure he didn't buy it. I was looking up the CEO is Devin Nunes, and Devin Nunes left to run Trump's social media company.

Right, but do you think he funded it? I'm sure there has to be some sort of a deal. I would just imagine. That's what I was digging into. Because I would imagine there's investors. Say if you're going to open up an app. Look, those apps don't do well. I mean, think about Gab and think about a lot of these other ones that they created. Getter.

There's a lot of them they created. They just went away. I mean, if you've got a fucking figurehead as big as Donald Trump, and he's banned from Twitter, and you say this is the only way to get the voice of the king, and you put it on true social, people are going to invest in that. And if they're going to invest in that, they're going to be very hesitant. Well, how do I know he's not going to go back to Twitter? Well, he was not allowed to.

I mean, that's just me guessing. I have no idea. Very logical. I'm totally talking out of my ass. But I would imagine that he has some sort of a deal. Also, I would imagine that if that is his company, he would be wise enough to go, you know what, this is worth nothing if I go onto Twitter. So if I'm going to sell this one day and make a big profit.

These are the people that invested in oil. Yeah, so here you go. There you go. Look at all these people. $6.2 million. That guy invested $6.2 million. Oh, my God. I want to sell you a bridge, buddy.

Yeah, it's just a guy with a billion dollars. Securita reported $1 billion. Oh, my God. It's worth $40. That's hilarious. But the money remains inaccessible pending a successful public launch. In the interim, Trump's media venture has put together about $38 million in debt, according to the SEC.

That makes sense. And that money didn't come from Trump himself, so who provided it? See, that's what I'm saying. The money didn't come from Trump himself. See, I guessed, and I was correct. And so let's look at all these people. So look at all these folks. Carl Pflueger. Hello, Carl. So look at all these folks. Carl Pfluger.

Hello, Carl. President of the Texas Oil Company. I bet he has a big hat and a fucking giant belt buckle. And he put $10 million toward True Social. Wow, that's a lot of money, Carl. Patrick Wall, CR Empire Holdings. Company that manages multiple gym brands. $6.2 million.

Kenny Trout. Texas. Another Texas. Telecoms billionaire. Donated to Trump before. Forked over $2 million. Kenny Trout. Texas. Another Texas. Telecoms billionaire. Donated to Trump before. Forked over 4 million. Wow. Jesus Christ.

These people are all rich. That guy, the next guy, only 200 grand. And 100 grand. So most of the people were like, yeah, they are rich, but still, that is not a wise use of money. You know, they probably got their wife. You need to donate, honey. We need to get Trump back into office. If it said they got a billion dollars in funding, whatever that just listed wasn't even close.

Yeah, that wasn't even 50 million. Well, the other people are probably hiding. The other people are probably hiding. Or maybe they got a lot of people that donated like a thousand, you know? Yeah. So the next one was like 200,000. But that's how maybe like people have been public about it. Yeah.

Go fund me, Link. This is a long one. Go fund me, Link. Well, listen, gentlemen, this has been a lot of fun. And I really appreciate both of you. Your YouTube page is fucking amazing. Thank you. Please tell people how to get to it.

Thank you. Yes, it's unchartedx.com slash c slash unchartedx. Unchartedx on YouTube. Go find it. You have so many great videos. Thank you, Joe. Amazing content. Your ability to just fucking spit it out. Both of you guys, I'm so impressed. And Jimmy, thank you so much for coming back

and thank you for bringing Ben and yours, Bright Insight. You've so many fantastic videos. I tweeted a couple of them today. Thank you, Joe. Let's do it again sometime. I would love to. It was a great time.

Thank you so much. Appreciate you guys both. Bye, everybody.