The Joe Rogan Experience - #1930 - Adam Curry

Episode Date: January 25, 2023

Adam Curry is an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, and podcasting pioneer. He is the co-host, along with John C. Dvorak, of the "No Agenda" podcast. www.noagendashow.net

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Let's fucking roll. And I was just thinking, is this my fifth time? I think so. Dude, I feel so blessed. I'm blessed to have you. It's like, holy crap, man.

Five times in three years? Come on, brother. And we had, of course, the first Five times in three years? Come on, brother. We had, of course, the first show in the old new studio. Yeah. Yeah, you were the first. You were the very first. Remember we had to wait for like two hours and the mics weren't working and we couldn't use headphones.

And then we made a big mistake of getting really high. I do remember. I remember you calling me. I don't remember it being a mistake. I remember it being the right move. You called me a couple days later and said, dude, we have to do that over. We need to do over. We were barbecued.

Yeah, we were. We were barbecued. But that's part of the fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and the place looks phenomenal. It's really, really beautiful. Thank you. So what is the reason why you can't smoke cigars?

You said there's a reason as you puff on that robot dick. Well, okay. So I did something at the end of last year, which I should have done 10 years ago. I had a real problem. Psychedelic experience? No, I wish. No.

Well, it wound up kind of being a cool experience, but the bone in my jaws degenerated. You know where you go to the dentist and they stick that thing in and they go two, three, nine, nine, 11. And that's millimeters. So I had like a good half, it's a pocket. So the bone had just degenerated. And so I was really a candidate for full-on dentures. Oh, Jesus. Uh-huh. Exactly. And so I found these great dentists, one in Fredericksburg, one in Kerrville, and one does all the cosmetic stuff. I said, look, dude, I cannot have dentures. And first of all, my wife will never sleep with me again.

That's the worst thing. Yeah, if you have them laying on the – I'm not going to put shit in the glass next to me at night. No. Second, I'm really worried about my speech. Right. I can't beling and doing all that shit. This is what I do for a living. So they figured out they could remove 12 teeth.

Jesus. Amen. 12 teeth. And mind you, I've never had any procedure. I've never been under anesthesia. I've never even had an IV. So and quite frankly, I was quite terrified of it, but it had to be done because as they did the scans, they do the, I think it's a CT scan. You

can slice through your head. Not only was this degenerating, but it had gotten all the way up to my sinuses and there was a low level infection. Holy shit. And you didn't know? I thought I had allergies. Wow. So we'd always go out to eat in austin you know and then be like austin is filled with shit because the minute i'm eating in a restaurant it's like it's just streaming down like i what is going on turns out eating you're aggravating the uh the infection and the sinuses and it just you know it would just really get bad oh my god so i didn't even know this until you know just before I got this procedure. So the idea is they knocked out 12 teeth, four in the front, four at the bottom, and then a couple of these molars, which was – I mean, I was fucking afraid.

Did you take pictures? Oh, dude. West Virginia style? I'll show you. No, you're going to think it's a TikTok filter when you see it. But so it put me under for five and a half hours with fentanyl. Hot damn. Now, mind you, I'm there.

My wife is there. I'm like, and she's putting the IV. I was more afraid of the IV than anything. I've never had this. You've never had an IV? Never. Never. No.

And so it goes in. I'm like, was that it goes in I'm like was that it and I'm out but I kept waking up um of course by then you're anesthetized and everything and I kept waking up during this procedure and they would hit me with some more fentanyl I didn't even know and I guess medical fentanyl is is pretty pretty normal to use for this kind of procedure. And later they said, any red hair in the family? Red hair. Any Irish in the family? No. Because they apparently, red hair and Irish have high tolerance for all kinds of anesthesia and drugs. Interesting. Hello, Bill Burr. And I said, how about, I grew up in Amsterdam? Oh, yeah, yeah.

That's probably it. We gave you no fentanyl to put an elephant under, man. I said, okay. But I kept waking up, and I remember a lot of it specifically. Oh, my goodness. So after, that's how swollen my face was. Oh, my God. Whoa.

Uh-huh. That looks like a filter. That's what everyone, no one believes it. That's what I look like. That looks like a filter. That's what everyone, no one believes it. That's what I look like. It looks like a TikTok filter. Yeah. So now I'm ossifying my bone. So they put titanium.

What is that word, ossify? It's growing. You're growing bone. Oh. And you couldn't do that. The technology is amazing. You couldn't do this 15 years ago. They'd have to get some bone from your hip and graft that on.

Ossiphone. Turn into bone. Become rigid or fixed in attitude. Yeah. Oh. Turn into bony tissue. So they put a titanium plate on the top and the bottom with two little screws, titanium screws, and then some plates where the molars were. And then they take some of your own blood.

They mix it up with some, I think, pig blood and maybe some Uyghur bones or something. Who knows? We don't really ask about that. If I start speaking Chinese, then you know what's up. Oh, no. And so now I'm in the growth process. And so I have a bridge here. And I think they look good.

I mean, these are temporary. But, like, hi, I can smile. They look totally normal. Thank you. No idea. That's Hollywood. So those are temporary. And then eventually they have to do those posts?

Yes. I had a buddy of mine who got his teeth knocked out in a hockey game. And he's got like posts. And he had magnets. Oh, he could take them out? Like stuck up there with a magnet. Oh, I should ask about that. Do you want that? Or do you take them out? Like stuck up there with a magnet. Oh, I should ask about that. Do you want that?

Or do you want them permanent? No, I want them permanent, but there may be benefit to putting a different, you know, put a little fang in there or something. Hello, hello, how you doing? Great for Halloween. Yeah, one time a year you need it. So I literally have these two bridges are connected to my canine teeth. Wow. These two bridges are connected to my canine teeth.

Wow. And they have to adjust them because it's going to be six months before the bone is ossified enough to then put the posts in and the permanent teeth. That's crazy. Yeah. But these guys are great. They're like mid-30s. They know what they're doing. What caused your bone to deteriorate like that? Part of it's genetics.

Also, when I was young, like two or three, we lived in Uganda, uh, for a couple of years and my parents, you know, they were also young parents and I didn't know what the fuck they were doing, I guess. So they put me to bed every night with a chocolate cookie. So by the time I was 11, not nine, I just had cavities and all kinds of shit going on. And that's where I developed an incredible fear of dentists, you know? So, so later on, you know, as I said, I should have done it 10 years ago, but going through a divorce and the dentist was actually some gay guy

started hitting on me. Fun times. I'm like, no. That's not the guy you want putting under. He would call me with, hi, say hi to Bob. I'm like, what are you doing, man? No, so I didn't want any of that. But I'm so happy I did it because not only does it almost fix my sinuses just by removing them, just by clearing that all up, I also hear better.

What? I have my hearing aids. Yeah. Not that it's louder per se, but I hear more high end. Because of the lack of infection. Of course. Of course. So did they have to treat the infection with IV antibiotics?

How did they treat the infection? Well, this was the downer. Well, the infection just kind. Of course. So did they have to treat the infection with IV antibiotics? How did they treat the infection? Well, this was the downer. The infection just kind of goes away. I mean, I don't think I had any... Oh, I did have some oral? Yeah, just some pill I would take. But for pain, they gave me ibuprofen and hydrocodone.

And the hydrocodone I took for maybe five days. You take ibuprofen, hydrocodone. Whoa. And the hydrocodone I took for maybe five days. You take ibuprofen, hydrocodone. It did nothing for me. It's like, this is not helping any pain. What it did is it made me fucking constipated. Oh, no. And then you get gassed.

It's all trapped and stuff. Oh, man. This was weeks of agony. So it didn't help the pain, but it did not up your guts. Yeah, it's an opioid. And ibuprofen was great. None of that was the problem. Now it's like you're doing everything with the mouth guarded.

I'm used to it. But you feel it. Oh, yeah. And there's still some slissing and the T's and the F's. So I go back and my guy in Fredericksburg, he'll adjust it, and it's like, you know. Again, technology is amazing. It's like, look, I'm going on Joe's show.

I can't do something like this. You've got to pick me up, man. Hello. Yeah. Yeah. And anyway, so a week before this procedure, you know me, I've been smoking tobacco and weed since I was 13. And, you know, morning, noon and night, just always, you know, kind of keep myself nice, medicated.

And Mitch, who's in Kerrville, he's the periodontist who, you know, this is a guy where I said before we even went down this road, I said, why did you choose this profession? He's like, I love surgery. I'm like, okay, okay, cool, cool, cool. No, you're my guy. You're my guy. So he calls me up. And, you know, we kind of became friendly. He's also a pilot.

And so, you know, we got a little, you know, we got friendly. And he said, Adam, we're a week out. Do me a favor. I said, what's that? Stop putting fucking fire in your mouth, okay? Because it's not going to make my job easier. It's going to make the healing a lot harder. And you just can't put hot smoke and fire in your mouth.

You got to stop that shit before the operation and during the healing process. And this was the moment that just pushed me over the edge. Like, okay, I'm just going to stop. And I do have a vaporizer an actual vaporizer we put some some weed in it and then it vaporizes but i it kind of like maybe once a day or every other day i'll take a hit and it's cool because it's all you know it's cooled down and the thc is actually good for for the healing process but i kind of yeah i don't know i'll say i'll still take a gummy or uh you know something like that and i don't know i don't really i get a lot more

shit done amazingly i used to be smoking all the time when you even bring up the word vaporizer i get nervous really because we used to have one of those volcanoes in the studio and the highest i've ever been in my life was we would hit that bag of mist you know those the vaporizers what is that that's your vaporizer yeah oh that looks like a cell phone that's crazy i thought that was see the weed goes in there oh wow right and you close it up and then you turn it on it goes to 190 degrees and you take a couple hits and let me see that yeah of course where do you buy it? It's the Mighty Plus, Joe.

I don't know. Someone turned me on to it. I bought it online. Wow. Yeah. Most of it's battery and cooling tubes. Yeah. I mean, this looks like some sort of a bizarre phone, but you can see through it.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll show you. It has the display. See? Oh, wow. And then just wait. These fucking stoners.

You know, I still like it. I mean, this is my culture, basically. I get it. It's my culture, too. So, of course, I really loved smoking. I loved fucking, go out on the porch, you know, have a hit or two, you know, I've either pure weed or tobacco and just a little bit of tobacco in there with the weed. I loved it. Uh, you know, my wife was always like, you should stop that shit one day. I'm like, yeah, sure. And she's kind of mad that,

you know, Oh, so you stopped because of this, you know, all, all my asking never did anything. So why did she want you to stop with the weed? No, it's just smoking in general. Oh, smoking. Yeah, just smoking in general. No, I mean, it's not a problem about the weed or anything. It's just smoking. It's nasty. She's not a smoker, so it's just nasty. I get it. Yeah, so I can't have cigars, and I'm probably just never going to do that again.

I have the equivalent of when this is all done, it's like a Porsche, basically, in my mouth. That's pretty cool. This is not insurance stuff, you know, not insurance level. So now it's 190 degrees. You flip that open. Very little. Wow. Very small.

That is a very strange looking device. It looks totally stupid. It doesn't look stupid. Well, it's kind of weird looks very high tech yeah there's a lot of these wacky kids are walking around with uh dab pipes they bring them with them now a lot of the la guys the dab is that's pretty harsh man it's basically the wax you mean yeah yeah and you're basically taking psychedelics yeah it's it's It's way heavy shit

You don't fuck with that dude When I first, I was curious I wanted to figure out, there was no one to teach me what to do So I tried to figure it out on my own And I would cough, I almost shit my pants every time I would be coughing so hard Someone once gave me A sheet

I put a little bit in the pipe I'm like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I like God's flower. Give that to me. He's like, that's fine. That's regulatable, right? Even when you get really strong weed, I kind of understand where I'm going.

I've seen the territory before. I'm like, wow. Okay, I know where I'm at. I'm going to be okay. That dab stuff. You're like, what is this dimension I find myself wandering through? And it's nasty

because it's sticky and you can't get off your fingers. Have you ever had absinthe? Yeah, I have. Not really in my bag. I had it once in Vancouver. In Vancouver, I think it was like real absinthe, where I think the way it's been described to me, and I don't know what I'm talking about, which, surprise. But I think the stuff that they get in America is not quite as pure or is not the same.

Like, it's been described to me, but I forget. But anyway, the point being, I had a couple of those, and I was like, this is like a cousin of drunk. Oh, yeah. It's not like drunk, but it's like drunk's next door neighbor. Well, you keep thinking people die on this shit. I think there was a party in San Francisco. It was an absinthe party. And people died on it?

No, not there. But, oh, yeah, people have totally died from absinthe poisoning. The same way they die from alcohol poisoning? Sure, sure. Yeah, it's just super, you know, super charged. It's weird. And they poured over a sugar cube or something. And light it on fire and all that jazz.

I've never been a drinker, really. I love a drink. I love wine. I love whiskey, sometimes a beer. But, you know, it's never been my high. And, again, it's really weird that I don't really miss being kind of semi-stoned all the time. And I'm really getting a lot more done. I was like, my wife's like, she was like, man, you know, you got all this shit done on your list. I'm like, I know, I know. I'm so productive.

All this shit on your list. I got a list. Like I gotta do this. I gotta do that. And you know, I'm a procrastinator. I always have been. So it's nice. That's part of stoner culture too, right? The procrastination. I'm 58. Maybe it's time to, you know. Reign it in? Just a little bit.

Just a little bit. Yeah. Definitely. Why start now? Why reign it in now when you're already 58? It seems like. The health thing. That really told me something.

Yeah. That makes sense. And Tina started. She did the 75 hard program. You familiar that yeah yeah yeah um which is amazing um i didn't do that of course but she also decided to go all uh carnivore and you know we get our stuff from the ranchers directly at knc and anyone you know around there's some good ranchers um and I just feel so good. And we'll have hamburgers for breakfast. And like last night we had Bavette. Bavette is a great cut of meat.

I mean, it's just amazing how tender and beautiful. And so we're just cooking more. And now we go out to a restaurant. I'm like, this is shit. We become beef cooking more. And now we go out to a restaurant. I'm like, this is shit. You know, we become beef snobs. It's just like, hmm, this doesn't taste good. Right. And that, I think, really has helped a lot with just my general health and how I feel and everything.

It's really quite beneficial. I mean, I think there's been quite a psy-op on people in general, like, you know, oh, red meat and it's going to sit in your colon forever and you're going to get cancer, you're going to die from it. And I think nothing could be further from the truth. Yeah, that's definitely not true. The idea that it sits in your colon forever, that's all horseshit. But I think there's different, people have different requirements when it comes to nutrition. And for some people, I don't know if carnivore is the way to go. But I've done it and I'm doing it now because it's January and January is World Carnivore Month.

Oh, is it? Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. Yay. What did it all have to do? So how long have you been doing it straight for? About five, six months now.

Interesting. Straight for five or six months. Well, we'll do, you know, we'll do hog. We'll do bacon sometimes in the morning and eggs. But yeah, pretty much. But that's what carnivore is. Carnivore is just an animal-based diet. Animal-based protein.

Yeah. It's amazing how many people do it and feel good, though. It's really weird. Well, there's these guys who I met. They're actually in Bastrog, the meat mafia. They had guys like 28, and they were high school or college athletes. And when they left college, their bodies just broke down. And they were like bowel problems and shitting 20 times a day.

Jesus. And both of them, them independently just all kinds of issues and someone turned them on to um to pure you know a carnivore diet and they were doing grass-fed grass finished and within two weeks all of those problems weren't 20 years of problems and then all those problems were you know 15 years all the problems went away and you'd be amazed how many people I've turned on to, you know, why don't you just try some of this? Don't go to HEB. Let me give you an address where you can get the stuff direct from the rancher. And within two weeks, most of the problems start to clear up, complexion, all kinds of stuff.

I think there's a lot of people out there that are allergic to gluten. Oh, of course. Gluten is a real problem. I think that's a lot of people out there that are allergic to gluten. Oh, of course. Gluten is a real problem. I think that's— It's inflammatory. Yeah. I think there's a lot of people that they're allergic to it, and they don't realize it, and they don't realize that eating like that and eating a lot of bread and a lot of pasta,

they think of it as food, and this is just how I feel. But then if you just eliminate that food, all of a sudden your body just relaxes. Like, and you just feel so much better. See, I think that, like, I like salads. I enjoy eating a salad. Sure. I eat salads. But I think there's a real issue with what we put on salads.

Like, a lot of people use these terrible salad dressings. Cedar oils and stuff. Yeah. And if you know anything, like canola oil, of course. We probably talked about that. It's basically industrial byproduct, you know. Yeah. And if you know anything, like canola oil, we probably talked about that. It's basically industrial byproduct. Yeah, it's industrial lubricant. That's how Crisco started.

Crisco was basically the candle business and electricity came around and people didn't want candles anymore. And they changed the candles into Crisco to lube up, I mean, to use for baking. Well, it's just, it's really amazing how a few scientists, I guess it was like, what is it, the 50s or 60s? They paid them off to say that it was saturated fat was causing all these problems with people and all this obesity when it was really just sugar. Yeah. And the sugar scientists, these guys who got this obesity when it was really just sugar. Yeah. And the sugar scientists, these guys who got paid off, it wasn't much money. They got paid off like, I think it was like $50,000. Well, in the 50s and 60s, that was a lot of money.

I'm sure. But, I mean, but literally it's changed the way people look at nutrition forever and no one's adjusted. I mean, a lot of people have that are in the know, but you have to be paying attention. You have to be reading books. You have to be talking to nutritionists and biologists and actual people that really understand what's going on for you to sort of make this shift in your perceptions. But a lot of people haven't. If you tell people you're on a carnivore diet, one of the first things they'll tell you is like, oh, my God, what about all those saturated fat? What are you going to do?

You're going to die. You want the fat, actually. You want that part. And you cannot look on Google News at all any day without seeing, oh, we're now making chicken out of actual chicken cell cultures. And we do it in this big vat. And it's going to be even healthier than eating real chicken. And people are buying into this, brother. They are buying. Are you tired?

Am I boring you already? No, I'm fucking not at all. I'm just like, God. Oh, that was a disgust look. Okay, I got you. I just... It's happening. It's really happening.

Regenerative agriculture is actually good. You can still buy food from regenerative farms, and those farms are operating at a carbon-neutral environment. Well, I saw Will Harris. I've been to White Oaks Pastures. Oh, have you? Really? You went to Georgia?

Yeah. The Beef Initiative had a meetup and that's where you kind of, you know, I'm just helping them out. It's not really a money-making operation, but it's connecting, it's helping ranchers understand that there is a market

that they can sell directly to a consumer. And it's teaching consumers who are interested that they can go to a rancher and get basically the protein from the source. And what the Beef Initiative figured out early on is that who is interested in that is Bitcoiners because Bitcoiners have money, they got Bitcoin, and they understand value or they have a certain understanding of value and they like to hang out and like to do meetups and then you bring them together and you have some ranchers talk

and the Bitcoiners talk. So now we have ranchers understanding Bitcoin, taking Bitcoin as payment, holding on to some of it, which can be very, very profitable in many cases. In many cases? Yeah, well, like last week, I went to Kohl and I bought like a third of a cow, basically, all in cuts. And I paid him Bitcoin. And two days later, boom, he's got 20% extra value just because the price went up. And I was happy.

I'm happy for him. What is Bitcoin worth now? Has it shifted back up? About 23,000. So what was the high? 70. Wow. That's a big drop. Sure. So if you bought in at 70, which many people did. Yeah.

Well, we got in at 4,000 during the pandemic. Because I think I told you I had- 4,000, right? I had 65 Bitcoin that were given to me in like 2011. And somewhere around 2015 or 16, I'm like, holy shit, this is worth $900. Sell. So I sold it all. Oops. So that's not going to happen to me again. So when it was, everything tanked during the pandemic. And so it was $4,000. Tina and I said, let's buy in. Let's do this. And then we've been doing what's called daily cost average.

So buy a little bit every single day. And you're basically, it's like a savings account. And we only will spend it on literally on something like that. We just keep it and we'll see. It's like we save dollars too, but this is kind of a, who knows? I mean,

there's so much talk of, I mean, even Elon Musk is probably going to be the guy who runs the money system, you know, once he has his X project

all in place that he's doing with Twitter, the whole concept is to have that be your, your wallet. You know, that's, all of Silicon Valley wants to be your bank. And I think Elon is no exception. But what do you mean by, what do you think he's

planning? Well, it will either be a coin that is specific to him or just looking at his overall history where things he does usually turns into a government project. Maybe that's where the central bank digital currency comes in. I don't know. We just had Brazil and Argentina decide that they're going to have the same money and it will be a digital peso or whatever it's going to be. And that will probably be a completely controllable central bank digital currency, which is being implemented everywhere. And the dollar would be the last one. I know that Elon seems a very good, like he's doing that. That's what his whole overall plan is, I think. He's always said he wants to be like WeChat. And in China, everything's on WeChat, including the government who then can turn off your money if you're a bad boy.

Yeah, I think that's coming. So it's a bit of a hedge to have Bitcoin. And Bitcoin is the only currency that can do that. I think we have to resist that with everything that we have. The idea that there's a centralized digital currency connected to a social credit score system is absolutely fucking terrifying because people self-censor already. They self-censor just because they're worried about other people's opinions. Like that's what virtue signaling is all about. What virtue signaling is all about, virtue signaling is people sending out a signal on Twitter or social media to let everyone know that you're a good person.

signal on Twitter or social media to let everyone know that you're a good person. And, you know, a lot of those people are not really good people, but they want to send out that signal and they're terrified about, you know, the repercussions of not being a good person. So the only way I know to resist that is literally Bitcoin and only Bitcoin. Well, what I was getting at was like that sort of self-censoring comes with no financial repercussions. If you really want to get people to pay attention to what you're promoting and what you're – if you're the government and you're telling people to behave and think in a certain way and follow a certain ideology, if they're financially penalized for not following, which they are in China. In China, if they stray from the path and criticize the government or talk shit about anything, you can't fucking buy plane tickets. You're not going anywhere. in the United States. If you run a weed store or any other type of, or if you have a website that is considered too conservative, too crazy, QAnon, whatever, then you can't get a bank account. You

can't use any of the payment systems. They literally debank you, so you can't receive money. And I think the self-censoring comes from that, certainly advertising related. If you have a podcast or you do anything with advertising, that is a wedge. People will go after your advertisers and use that as a wedge. Well, you know what that's like to bring you down. And so it's already kind of here. And that's not a good thing. We have to resist that. Yeah, we have to resist that. The problem is it's so normal for people to do that. It's such a natural human instinct to try to punish someone for going outside of the lines.

And then people who don't even benefit from it financially, they will be your reinforcement army. They will get people to stay inside those lines. We saw it with COVID, right? I mean, there's people that all of a sudden became the reinforcement army for the pharmaceutical companies. Very strange. Which is probably the biggest bad actor out there right now. They have the most criminal fines of any organization ever. They own the media.

They own the media. They definitely have— They're the most criminal fines of any organization ever. They own the media. They own the media. They definitely have. They're the biggest advertisers. They also are promoting different politicians. I mean, the amount of money that pharmaceutical drug companies have just to distribute is just extraordinary. They have so much money. They make so much money. so much money. The crazy thing about the COVID situation, like when we were in the pandemic and the heat of everything and they were profiting at this enormous level, I kept thinking like,

what are they going to do when this stops? Because all corporations have this idea of unlimited growth. If you're a stockholder in these corporations, they're all publicly traded, you want more money, you want the stock to go up. 20% a year, if possible. Yeah, you want this constant. And now they have this extremely rare event,

a pandemic, and then they have this very small window of time in terms of like you have a few years to try to get people where it's going to go off and become endemic, which is where it is now, right? So you have this small window of time where you can make insane amounts of money, but you're not going to make that money after that. It's like it's not the same thing unless you can convince them to keep doing it over and over and over again. Well, so first of all, we have obviously seen that the COVID vaccination, which is not a traditional vaccine, required more than one, two, three boosters. So that kept on going. That's definitely more money in the bank. But the financial system and the big pharma are

connected in this regard. I believe the financial system needed a lockdown, needed a complete stop of spending, just had to stop and sit in your place because we never really fixed what happened in 2009. That was all shoved under the rug, and we just took interest rates down to almost zero. And that stimulated everything. We got free money for everything, free money for every company, every DoorDash, every Silicon Valley thing. You don't have to make profit. We'll just raise more money. Keep going, keep going. Until if you look at what's something called the reverse repo market, it's a banking thing, spiked just like it did just before the Great Recession, the housing bust.

Right then is when, uh-oh, we got a lockdown, we've got a pandemic. And I would argue that seeing as, you know, this recent bug that people have that's going around, which is not COVID, it's not flu, whatever it is. R-S-E? No, it's unidentified. No, I don't think anyone cares anymore, although it seems to be pretty bad. It was the media that really freaked everybody out. We had death counts on the screen, all this stuff going on and on and on.

And everyone stayed home. And that allowed everything to calm down, allowed the financial markets to do some shuffling back and forth. And then we did, of course, what they needed to do is create a whole bunch of extra money and get that out there, which of course is what caused inflation. And this is going to be here for a while. And so those two are linked, whether purposefully or not. The lockdown and the pandemic and the fear and destruction of companies and jobs, et cetera, was beneficial to the financial system. And now I think they're just out of control. You know, I think it's some, like 40% of all dollars ever created,

which, you know, they're printed basically on a computer, were made in the last three years. So since the dollar started, yes. No way. Jamie, look it up. Oh my God. Yeah, 40%. Oh my God, I can't handle this.

Yeah, and that went to, yeah, you can. And that went to, you know, a lot of people got really rich. You know, if you look at Lake Austin, after the pandemic, everybody upgraded their toys. There was new speed boats. Everyone had new, everyone who had money just made more and just did incredibly well. So. Here it is. This was November 21. Is it a big deal? Everyone who had money just made more and just did incredibly well. Here it is. This was November 21.

Is it a big deal that 40% of U.S. dollars was printed in the last 12 months? No, it's not. Well, thank you. What is this guy's name? It's not. How do you say that guy's name? I don't know him. I don't know him.

But how do you say his name? Sohit. Sohit Miglani. Okay, please read first. I received a high amount of negative comments and emails telling me that inflation is real and my article is wrong. Please note that nowhere in my article do I say that inflation doesn't exist. It is real and it is happening. The goal of the article was to separate the current economic conditions

from the impact of the 40% printing statistics and the fact that they are not related in the way most politicians would communicate. I'm sure if you've read enough articles, seen enough TikToks and tweets about this statistic, it sounds like a scary fact, and mostly it's been used by polarizing figures on social media. There I am. I'm polarizing. You are a polarizing figure.

I'm a polarizer, brother. On social media to drive hysteria and scare people. Sure. Or for polarizing the public against their political opponent. But what does this figure mean, even mean, and is it really that big of a deal? The simple answer is no, it's not a big deal. The explanation is slightly complicated and informed by socioeconomics. Well, I can tell you what this leads to. This is MMT, or modern monetary theory. And this is something that the economists are all in on. And the idea

is, like Japan, you can just keep printing money, printing money, handing it out. If you think unemployment insurance in Texas, even though it's supposed to be for three months, it is on par with a $65,000 or $70,000 a year salary. I mean, you can get by on unemployment insurance pretty well for a bit. The modern monetary theory really is like the universal basic income, Andrew Yang, that was his thing. This is what Japan did, and it's called the Japanese debt trap. And you just keep printing and printing. The problem you have is you need to have young people. You need to keep making human beings.

And this is the problem. And I've spoken to bankers, you know, like real Wall Street guys. I know them. They're friends. And they say, oh, we have nothing to worry about in America when it comes to modern monetary theory. So why not? Because if we don't make enough babies, we'll just import them. Hence the border being pretty much open.

Just keep people coming in. That's the idea. You really think that the reason why they leave the border porous is because we need more immigrants because they're printing more money? You need humans, literally need humans to do stuff. So they're calculating this in a long game? Yeah. I mean, we're not- So they're calculating this in a long game? Yeah. But don't you think that part of what they're doing is it's combined with this idea that you don't need ID to vote.

And then it's also combined with this idea that- I think that's a red herring. But in some places they're saying that they want illegal aliens to be able to vote. Yeah, New York. Right. Yeah. Which is very strange. able to vote. Yeah, New York.

Right. Yeah. Which is very strange. It's really odd because you're kind of encouraging people to stay illegal if that's the case. Because one of the plus sides of being involved in a country is you get to vote, right? You get to decide like, hey, I don't like this guy or I like that guy. If you're not really a part of the country, but you've snuck over here, now all of a sudden you are a part of the country. What's the difference if you could vote? What separates you?

You don't really pay taxes? So are you being taxed? You're getting sales tax? But if you're not registered, if you're not really uh an american citizen are you paying taxes it doesn't matter um i do not know a single wall street guy who gives a fuck about who which party is in power they don't care it doesn't it doesn't matter that does not matter it's a unit party essentially um look at the military industrial complex republicans and democrats are all for war you know yay let's go buy some let's go buy It's a unit party, essentially. Look at the military-industrial complex.

Republicans and Democrats are all for war. You know, yay, let's go buy some more shit or make more shit. That's what most of what we're doing with Ukraine is we're giving them our old shit. And Raytheon and Boeing and all these companies are creating new stuff. And it's even funnier than that because, you know, so we say we've given 45 or 100 billion dollars to Ukraine. We're not really. We've given them all of our, we have about seven weeks, seven days of resources left if we really had to fight. You know, we've given all the stuff to Ukraine, the Bradley fighting vehicles, all crap that is really outdated. And the money, the taxpayer money, goes to the military industrial complex companies, and they're developing new weapons.

Europe, they are actually giving Ukraine the money, and Ukraine has to pay us. They have to pay us for the stuff that we're giving them. You understand what I'm saying? So Europe is now, they're pissed. They're like, hold on a second. You know, we don't have a, we have Airbus or whatever. We don't really have a lot of big weapons industry. And so we're giving Ukraine the money that you're then paying the U.S. for to get the

old shitty stuff and they're building new stuff. Hang on. I don't think you'd say shitty. I think they're sending them some very good equipment. Okay. Are they? Do you know the- I don sending them some very good equipment. Okay. Are they? I don't know anything about military equipment. Well, you heard the thing about the Bradley fighting vehicle. This was like a week or two ago.

Oh, we're sending the Bradley fighting vehicle. Kelsey Grammer made a movie called something of war. Basically, it shows the Bradley fighting vehicle. It's on YouTube. The whole, it was a training video for the army. You know, how acquisitions were.

Yeah, the Pentagon Wars. Made a training video. Yes, yes. It's a movie. It's a proper movie. And it shows how this thing was acquired and what a piece of shit it always was. It was how it just went through all the paths, all the channels. And it got implemented into the into the army started using it.

But it was really a huge scam. And it's just one of these things. Joe, we spend $800, $900 billion a year on stuff. It's the biggest cost we have as taxpayers. So this tank is not good? Is that what you're saying? It's not even a tank. What is it?

It's a fighting vehicle. It's supposed to— What's the difference between a fighting vehicle? So it has anti-tank weaponry on the top, and so it's supposed to be able to bust tanks. The problem is if you lob a mortar on top of this thing, then all those anti-tank missiles explode. And even though you may not die from the explosion, the whole, the turn can get welded shut. And just, it's a bad scene. I mean, you have to watch this movie.

It's well worth, you know, the hour and a half. It's really fun. And to this day, I think it's still used as a procurement training video. This is what we don't want, right? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. I Wow yeah yeah it's cool I think he produced it too I think you but I think Kelsey grammar producer dude how crazier

is the even the idea of a tank how crazy is a war as an idea insane I mean what are we doing it's saying that it's still going on that I watched this horrifying video because a lot of this stuff is on social media now, which is so crazy. But this horrifying video of a gunfight in the woods between this Russian soldier and these Ukrainian soldiers. It was horrible. They're now rounding up 16 and 17

year old boys on the street in Ukraine just to have them fight. This is not going well for Ukraine at all. It's atrocious. It's really atrocious. The whole thing was unnecessary it's stupid and i don't know how we get out of it you know we kicked russia off the swift system the international payment system so they're an island what are you going to do i mean they give them no out i don't hear any stories about russia winning well of course not but do

you know how crazy that is? If that's the case, if that's really what's happening. That Russia's not winning? No, no, no, no. That you're not getting those stories. Are those stories available? Let's Google. Almost none. But this is just me saying from my own not looking for it, roaming through the internet, what I'm getting sent my way through whatever algorithm, for the most part, is Ukraine winning. Ukraine does this, and Ukraine is making headway, and Ukraine is this, and we must support Ukraine. I keep hearing that. I don't hear what you're saying. No. That's why you invite me here from time to time. Yes. Are there many articles that talk about it? You have your thumb on the real web, like the web under the web.

Well, I talk to military people. You know, our audience is filled with professionals who are in the business and they know what's happening. But you're always like 11 months ahead of anything that everybody – It's a problem. It's a problem. So I never get to go, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, I don't get to do that. I mean, dude, will we write about ESG? Were we right about Mastodon? You were right. You were most certainly

right about that stuff. So Russia claims success in Ukraine's Soledar as Moscow names new war commanders. So this is 13 days ago. This new guy, this new general they brought in, he's a super asshole. He's like, you surrender, they don't take prisoners, they kill them. This guy is a horrible, horrible guy. This is a Russian guy you're talking about? Yeah, the new Russian commander.

The only thing that will stop this war is if Putin is killed. They say, every single politician, every pundit has said, it's one guy, it's one guy, and it's Putin, and he has to die. And I thought he had cancer. I thought he had Parkinson's. He still hasn't died yet of his own accord.

Well, he's got a lot of money. And when you have a lot of money and a lot of doctors, they can keep you going. I don't know if he's really sick. I don't know if he's really sick. Maybe he's not. Maybe he's not really sick. We can probably establish that the world is fake. Everything we thought is fucking fake. There's a lot of stuff that's fake. he's not maybe he's not really sick we can probably establish that the world is fake everything we

thought is fucking fake there's a lot of stuff that's fake it's pretty much all of it's a scam and it's always been that way and it wasn't until the internet came along that the facade got lifted and now we're forced to reconcile and we're forced to i mean there's still some people that won't abandon these narratives. You know, I'm with the good side, you're with the bad side, and they really don't see that there's a lot of things that are put in play that are just to keep us angry at each other, like drag queens in schools, like drag queens teaching kids shows. Like, why is that in the news?

Like, that is in the news to get people upset. Should that be happening? Third trimester abortion. Right, right, right. Why is that in the news? Let's piss off the conservatives, you know, all of this stuff. Yeah. There's a real desire, and this sounds so conspiratorial, but there's a real desire to keep us at each other's throats. Divide and conquer.

Because if we're not, then you realize that most people are good people. Most people just want their friends to be happy. They want to have a family. They want their family to be happy. They want to be able to say hi to their neighbors and they want to be able to do what they want to do for a living. And if you could like that, that's what most people want. And then you have to figure out what are these arguments that can get people that are just normal like that to the point, well, fuck that guy. I hope that guy dies. Or fuck. And for a lot of people, it was just COVID.

Well, let's stay there with the vaccine. So now I think it's universally accepted this thing doesn't really work. But most people. It certainly doesn't work how they initially thought it was going to. I mean, now- And there's a lot of reasons for that, right? That the virus mutated and changed. I mean- First and also that the antibodies that are imparted by the vaccine, they only last a certain amount of time. Sure. But that was not the story. No. And it degenerated down to, certain amount of time. Sure. But that was not the story. No. And it degenerated down to take the booster because you will not get sick and won't have to go to the hospital. Right. So it

went from 95% effective, you won't spread it, you won't get it, to, oh, sorry, okay, we're here. At least you won't go to the hospital and be really sick. The next step is you'll die, but you'll go to heaven. I mean, I don't know what they're going to say next, but most people don't know that. Most people aren't involved in, in look. I mean, they're so tired of the shit that they, you know, read people magazine USA today and they get your booster that families are still torn apart. Um, I know many, many, my own family to agree to a degree. We, We have disagreements over this. It's really fascinating because there's a lot of people that will say things like, trust the science. I trust the science. But there's no such thing as the science. Science is data. And you have to listen to all,

if the data is being controlled by certain people that have a vested financial interest in controlling the data and controlling the narrative, then that's not science. Like you're not, you're saying science because you've already decided that you're on the good side and the good side did this and they did it for the right reasons. It's also been hammered into us by authority figures. Exactly. Follow the science. Trust the science.

It's the science. I am the science, Fauci said. But it's also this natural territorial tribal instinct we have to claim land and ideas. We claim ideas and then we shove them down people's throats. That's what religion has always done. And there's a lot of people that are atheists that don't think of themselves as being religious, but you are religious. You're acting exactly that way. You just don't believe in a deity, or you don't actively discuss a deity, but you're still behaving in a very tribal way where you want other people to think and behave exactly the way you do. And you're willing to overlook some awful shit on your side, and you're willing to exaggerate some shit on the other side and you're willing to look at the fringes on both sides, if you really broke it down, the real issue is with the people with the

most awful on both sides. Sure, of course. That's the real. But everybody's on the same team. So you have to fucking pretend these people lighting churches on fire aren't fucking assholes. These people lighting schools on fire and lighting courthouses on fire. Mostly peaceful. Oh, it's mostly peaceful, Adam Curry.

Burning in the background. I fucking saw someone again say this. Because of what happened in Atlanta. Yeah, the cop city thing. There was literally a cop car on fire. Anyway, they're calling it mostly peaceful. In CNN's backyard. I know it's fantastic. You're cnn's backyard i know you can't you're not

you're not the fucking propaganda department you can't define things in a way to to calm people down that's not what your fucking job is but that's but you're you're bullshitting people you're acting as a propagandist like that's not it's not mostly peaceful when a car's on fire. So what was. That's like fucking real dangerous. Hey, dad, how was the party? It was pretty good, son. But what was really telling was when you were being accused of eating horse paste. Yes.

And then you had Sanjay Gupta on and you said, why the fuck did they lie about that? And he could not answer. His brain could not process the question. answer. His brain could not process the question. Someone should come along that does what they do, but do it in a way where you're not lying, where you're only giving information, the uncomfortable information that people probably don't want to hear. You're just giving them data. You're just telling them what's going on in the world. You're talking about murder and you're talking about crime and you're talking about war. It's awful shit but just don't do it in a way where you're bullshitting people yeah you're just not going to get that i mean this is what the but i don't think people

i thought i don't think people are tolerating it anymore they don't just believe it a lot of people checked out which i think is the most dangerous they check out like whatever i don't care i'm just gonna i'll just believe whatever I believe. The internet made the job of the intelligence agencies and propaganda so much easier. You're right that because of the internet, we can find out more stuff when we communicate directly. But what we saw during COVID, you had an opinion that wasn't the mainstream science and you got kicked off and you were deplatformed and you weren't. I think the one thing Elon is doing is really smart is he will, and I disagree, I don't like it personally, but the digital ID, you know, he's onboarding people

with a financial authentication. So you have to be Joe Rogan on Twitter. I have to be Adam Curry on Twitter. I can't be a random dude with a fake name. I can't just be calling people out for shit. So if you disparage someone or if you slander them, you can get sued. And I think that is proper. And he may have his reasons why he's doing that. But Twitter is going to be— It's also absolved.

You can't have cowards. They're saying horrible, horrible things. But when it's anonymous— And they're just hiding behind an anonymous anonymous, when you can be anonymous. Now, I mean, we've been, we've been trained. Twitter has been around for a while. Facebook has been around for a while. We've been trained to be a part of these circles, be a part of these, these networks. And it's, I mean, it's so bad now that, you know, Twitter, like transport companies use Twitter to communicate to their, to people who use the buses, you know, it's like, it's

so ingrained in the infrastructure of the world. Well, it's not incredible. It's not normal human communication. So you don't get the same feedback, but it has normal human consequences. Like you could write awful things on twitter about someone they read it and it makes them feel terrible just just the way it would and maybe even in a weirder way than if they were saying it to your face because and you can't respond like it's it's a very strange way to communicate that we're just learning how to do

we haven't had it before if i I was 15 and I had fucking Twitter, you know the horrible shit that I would tell people? Of course. Of course. So what's interesting is that, and I like this development, so Twitter changed hands and Elon starts doing different things.

And of course, I'm incredibly happy to see the Twitter files, not that mainstream is touching that at all. It's bizarre, right? No, not at all. It's bizarre, right? No, not to me. It's like, duh. But it is kind of crazy that they're not talking about it. I mean, it's a conspiracy theory if you even bring it up. But it is a conspiracy by not bringing it up. It is a literal conspiracy of politicians, of the intelligence agencies, and Twitter itself.

I mean, it was big tech. It's crazy. And this is just normal, right? This is what people do. When they have the kind of control and power that they enjoy, they want to maintain it. They want to keep going. It's a very human thing.

Very human. Now, we had in the early 70s, we had something called the Church Commission, which is now being, you know, now apparently Josh Hawley and Kevin McCarthy, they're going to create a new Church Commission. And at the time, the accusation was that the CIA specifically had reporters working for the New York Times, CBS News, who were CIA agents or took stories from the CIA. Turned out to be completely true. Those were good times when you had Walter Cronkite and you had the New York Times. That was it.

So they could tell you whatever you needed to know. It's always been a narrative that was created and the internet kind of like, holy shit, what are we going to do? And so once these avenues started to grow like Twitter, like Facebook, like Reddit, you name it, that's when, oh, we can go in, we can do stuff with these companies. And then when you get the divide and conquer, I mean, I read some of these Twitter files and I can understand where the people who are in trust and safety and whatever these

departments are like, yeah, no, we're protecting people. We need to do this. And it's the government. They're telling us that this is what it is. So we have to do it. And it's important. Yeah, I can get that they would believe that. I can't fault them.

I can't fault them for that. I can't fault them either. At all. And the one thing about like progressive people, even if it may be very similar to a religion, the way people behave, at least like the ideas you're moving the country towards a more equal and safer and better place for everybody to just be themselves. Like the idea behind it's great. The idea behind it's great. But it's like, how do you get there? How do you enforce that? Well, the whole world is in this situation. It's not just America.

How do you enforce that? Well, the whole world is in this situation. It's not just America. Every single country is in this. I saw the main thing in Europe was a lot of immigration coming in. Sweden is a great example. Every night there's car bombs going off. There's fires.

There's all kinds. There's no-go zones. There's all kinds of stuff happening. And it was never really in the news. And now they have a different political party because the people are clearly upset like oh we want some different leadership and starting to come out a little bit you know it it doesn't matter it's ruined it can only be about educating each other and loving each other we have to we have to return we have to return to this but this fist clenched battle that we're engaged in between People who are of different political parties in this country is so dangerous and so stupid

It's just so unnecessary and it's so it's such a trick It's like such a stupid trick, but there are children who I heard you were talking to Louis CK. It was a great interview I love that guy He's awesome. I remember I he's really funny. I had no idea. It's really good I just tell everybody cuz he's got it this week. It's the 28th. Oh, it's the Madison Square Garden is streaming live On Louis CK calm and I saw him. Oh, there you go. There it is 730 Eastern time. Live stream tickets

on sale now, including replays through February 17th. So, he's got this live streaming concert and then he's already recorded a special with that material. He's going to release a special separately. It's really exciting. It's really good stuff, too. I saw him in town. I saw him at the Moody.

He was great. It was really funny. Laughed hard a bunch of times. It was fun. It's good good stuff, too. I saw him in town. I saw him at the Moody. He was great. It was really funny. Like, laughed hard a bunch of times. It was fun. It's good to see him, like, at the top of his game and having a good time. And the audience is there to have a good time. It was really fun. It was really fun. My takeaway from that conversation, and I actually, I foolishly in 2006, I thought I could do a podcast network, which never works.

You can't monetize the network. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. But don't you think we all kind of have a network? We have an organic network. That's the way you do it. We're going off topic, but I'll say when I see Bill Maher saying, well, you know, we're going to do with a random podcast network. Here's what happens.

It happens every single time. You're fucked. You have one star, which will be Bill, and maybe one other one. And everyone, all you get is, well, I didn't get any ads. I didn't get any promotion. And it's a fucking nightmare. It doesn't work. Individual stuff is what, like what you've done.

You've built something. It's just you. I don't believe in any of that shit. It's very saturated at this point, too. It's very hard for someone to get going right now. Someone has to be pretty extraordinary or unusual or they have to get put on a bunch of their friends have big podcasts. How about starting with making something that's worthwhile listening to? You have to have a good fucking product.

I mean, this happened with blogs. I'm going to blog and be like, Andrew Sullivan, I'll make a million dollars a year. No, you can't write. You're not funny. You're not interesting. It doesn't matter. You have to have something. It's just not for everybody.

It's not for everybody. There's 4.2 million podcasts that we have in Podcast Index. I thought it was more. I thought it was five. I don't want to disparage anyone you might be commercially tied to, so we'll just leave that for what it is. I'm not commercially tied to any podcast number. Okay. Well, Spotify bought Anchor.

And during the pandemic, because we literally sift through it all, about two million podcasts, a million and a half of those podcasts are one episode of someone going, test. And that's counted as a podcast. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of times, because it's so easy to start one. A lot of people start them, and they don't do it. Of course.

I've talked to so many comic friends, and I was like, dude, just keep going. It's all about putting in the numbers. Just keep going. And if you have two people are downloading it, two people can be four. They'll tell their friends if it's good.

Four is 10. Next thing, you got 100. Next'll tell their friends if it's good. Four is ten. Next thing, you got 100. Next thing, you got 50. You got to build a community. You can't live in a bubble of just doing a show and not even thinking about the people who are listening. You have to connect with them somehow. Next thing, you could have 50,000 people and it wouldn't take that long. I don't think so either.

It wouldn't take that long. But you need to do the work. And it's serious work. Now, what I was was gonna say is that? Comedians are coming back and I love this that comedians are finally finding their voice again You know not as many people are afraid of saying I mean there was a while there that and I'm not in the comedy circuit Or anything. I just see what I what I get from from Netflix, etc You know and Chappelle is a big part of that. You're a part of that. Chappelle's the main soldier in that army.

Yeah, and Louis is too. Louis is right up there too. But y'all can bring the love back. He won an Emmy. Yeah, but you can bring the love back. Is it Emmy or Grammy? Grammy, right? Grammy.

Grammy. I finally watched Better Things that he co-created, that TV series. It's probably about five years old. Never saw it. Oh, it's so fun. And then his deplatforming moment happened, and so after season three, he was no longer a part of it.

But that was some high-quality shit, man. And it's really beautiful. He excels at these real bizarre independent films. Like the one he did with Joe List about 4th of July. What was it? What was that called? We're keeping Jamie busy today. Yeah.

It's really good though. It's really good. It Nicked Apollo in it. Bobby Kelly. What is it? 4th of July. 4th of July. Yeah.

It's like, like, you know, it's people like that. What he's figured out how to do more than anybody is be completely independent and everything operates off of Louis C K yes, yes fucking brilliant anyone can do that. You just have to hunker down and do it It's the right way to do it for him too because it's like yeah, you know he he doesn't want to hear anymore Just just this is what I do. I've always done it this way. You don't have to like it

He's always been horrible on stage. That's his thing That's crazy. That's like he's doing it for fun. He always has like that's the funny part Like he's part of it is brilliant writing But also part of it is just like saying the most inappropriate shit Like they would never fucking say and then figure out a way to defend it in a very funny way The fact that he is now playing the moody and austin something switched i mean austin would not allow a guy like that to perform in the moody theater two years ago no fucking way especially not louis ck he's toxic oh do you don't think so no no he no. He was very, very toxic for a while there. Well, people would have—

Austin is liberal, brother. I mean, that's a very liberal venue, the Moody. You're not going to find a lot of crazy fucks performing in the Moody. I see what you're saying. So opinion is—the tide has turned about comedy in general and then also about Louis. And the comedians feel—... Louis and, you know, the top ones I don't think ever changed their game,

but it's becoming more acceptable. We're finding our funny bone again. Not everyone's as triggered anymore. And I've always... It's well known. Comedians are the ones who will put their finger right in the fucking wound,

the bleeding, and just twist it around and hopefully make you laugh about it or think about it. And so when I see comedians who are doing podcasts, I'm super happy because that spreads more like, hey, let's just laugh for a little bit. Don't worry about it. Don't get so fucked up about everything. Yeah. Because the control is there. The control of people live in social media.

I mean, my God, man, you've got kids. You see what's happening. We didn't have these phones. We're kind of in that in-between generation where we had before internet and digital stuff, and then afterwards where we are now. This is not for human brains, the stuff that's bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. It's definitely not. It's not. It's not healthy.

It's not good at all. It's not to anybody. And I know brilliant people that are addicted to Twitter. Brilliant. They're so brilliant. But just like I know brilliant people that smoke cigarettes. And you can't stop. And they smoke them all day.

It's an addiction. It's an addiction. It's an addiction. And the phone addiction is so insidious because everyone has one Everyone has the addiction at least at some level everyone has the addiction and it's normalized It's normalized whereas if there was a virus that made you stare at your hand and walk across the street walk right into traffic You were like, oh my god That virus is gonna get people killed like if there was a cordyceps mushroom that infected an ant and tricked the ant into becoming

suicidal and blowing its spores all over the other ant colony, you'd go, oh, that makes sense because it wants to spread itself. Well, this fucking thing, if there was a virus that made you just stare at your hand and just like not talk to people, like, oh my God, this virus is turning people into desensitized versions of what they used to be. This virus is like disconnecting. We're not talking to each other on a bus or a subway or on the street. Everybody's looking at their fucking phone.

Oftentimes when people are at dinner together, I've seen so many couples at dinner. We've all seen it. They're not even talking to each other. They're just staring at their phones while they're alive across the table from each other on a Friday night with a glass of wine. They still can't stop looking at that stupid box. It's very, very sad. And when I still lived in Austin, I would give myself points. Like if I see someone walking on the street with a phone in their hand, one point.

If they were looking at it standing, still two points. If they were actually walking and looking at it, that's immediate five bonus points. And now it's just the most, sometimes I'll just remind myself, oh, let me see what's going on. And you see just the continuous looking at the phone, looking at the phone for everything. And it's engineered. That was 100% engineered. The social networks engineered that. We started a Mastodon for no agenda in 2017. And it's basically a social network without the algorithm. So it's a chronological timeline. You start here and then a certain point. Oh, I've seen that message. I saw it two hours ago. I'm done. And nothing is going to start pinging me when I want to leave. If you're on Instagram and it looks like you're going to leave, boom, boom, boom, boom. You get all these likes all of a sudden. They delay those. Is Mastodon the one that everybody went to when they left Twitter? Yeah, Twitter.

Yeah, yeah. And what's really cool about that is the journalists all went, well, I can't do the Twitter anymore. We're leaving. Of course, they haven't really. But they went to Mastodon, set up their own servers, and then immediately went, well, this is not working right. We need quote tweets and we need this and all these different things. And this network, Mastodon, or the GNU social network has been going on for 12, 14 years. It's not new.

And everyone went, yeah, you know what? Fuck you. No, we're not going to do that. Because you can block a whole server. So all these journo.host or whatever these different, where all these journalists went, people go, yeah, you know, we're just going to block all of you. You're not interested.

You're only here to troll us, to get a soundbite. And now the journalists for the first time are realizing they don't have any power. They're powerless against this. And they're confused because they used to just be able to do whatever they want. I have a blue checkmark. I'm from a serious news organization. You should believe me what I say. And now they have no power.

And it's very – I mean I don't wish anyone ill, but I'm kind of like snickering about it. It's like, oh, that's so cool. You can't do anything. Well, you shouldn't really have power as a journalist. They had superpower over Twitter and Facebook with approved messaging. Delicate dance because it's such an important part of society. Like legitimate journalism is so important. Yeah.

It's such an important part of society. You've got to ask if it ever really existed. I mean, back in the day, Walter Cronkite was- Jimmy, can we get some more of that coffee? Thank you. Was that legitimate journalism or was it just all narrative that was controlled and directed very good question because it used to be that i thought that it was legitimate journalism at a certain point in time but you know that whole uh smedley

butler quote war is a racket yeah have you read that yeah yeah it's a good book it's really interesting it's true and it was 1933 i think when you wrote that yeah yeah yeah around that time yeah it's just we're we're caught in a and if you go to school and you get out of school and you get a job and you get into this system that system has already existed for a long fucking time and this idea that you're going to come along and fix the system that shot JFK. Right. Listen. It's so cool that that's kind of becoming a mainstream accepted fact that the CIA basically killed the president.

Fucking Tucker Carlson said it on TV. He did a nice rap on that. That was cool. He ran it down perfectly. The way he said it was interesting. So I showed it to Mike Baker, who's a former CIA guy who comes on our podcast all the time. Because former is easy. It's so easy to be. He definitely doesn't even talk to it. No, no, no, no. Why would he? I showed it to Mike Baker, who's a former CIA guy who comes on our podcast. Because former is easy. It's so easy to be.

He definitely doesn't even talk to me. No, no, no, no. Why would he? But I had him watch it. He's always stated that he thinks that there was definitely a conspiracy to kill Martin Luther King Jr. Oh, 100%. He thinks that there may be someone in the government who, he talked about how much money this guy had all of a sudden and that this guy is kind of like a hapless loser.

And now all of a sudden he has a car and he has money and no one can explain why. Well, JFK himself talked about this network of men and it's a silent network and no one dare speak out against Chuck Schumer. Secret societies. Chuck Schumer. He said, oh, Trump better watch out. The intelligence agencies have, was it 12 ways until Sunday to get you. I mean, there's fear. The CIA was spying on the senators in the Senate Intelligence Committee.

But that's crazy that you would worry that the intelligence community would fire back at Trump. worried that the intelligence community would fire back at Trump. Like, if you're really what we all hope you are, which is agents that are looking after the greater good of the United States and all its people, what you really should be doing is ignoring some nonsense by this fucking... Well, my uncle, Donald Gregg, was in the OSS before it became CIA. And the early days of the CIA, he was very high up in CIA. He's still with us today. And back then it was Catholics in Action.

That was the acronym CIA. So it was kind of religious oriented, very proper, you know, the suit and tie. And it was literally jump out of airplanes and save the world. That's what the CIA does. And somewhere that got corrupted and it just became a fucking shit show, a real shit show. And they, in my opinion, they run most, most of

everything and they have control over everybody. I mean, it's really, really, you don't know how much money they have. You don't know their budget. These are the same people who sold weapons or sold, traded weapons in, you know, in trade for drugs. That was the Iran Contra, which actually my uncle was kind of a part of. And, you know, then those drugs came back. What are we going to do with these drugs, boys? I don't know. It's turning to crack. Let's fuck LA. Yay. You know, this is shit that they did. It's not denied or anything. That's horrible. Because the government said, we don't want to fund that anymore. I said, okay, Congress, we can't fund that anymore.

But what do you think, boys? We got to keep this going. This is something we got to do. This is important. For whatever reason, I don't know. I don't know, but I like your accent that you gave him. Yeah, that's my character acting. I got a whole bunch of them.

But yeah, that's what they've always done, right? That's the whole Barry Seals story. That's completely the Barry Seals. And Mina Arkansas. But it goes... Like Gary Webb, the guy who blew that open, the journalist, he wound up committing suicide by shooting himself in the head twice.

I mean, this is the level that that goes to. Oh my God. It's hilarious. So, you know, I don't— Did he really? He shot himself in the head twice? I believe the suicide was two shots to the head.

I mean, that's always been the joke. But here's another one. You know, when 9-11 happened, you know where you were, right? Everyone knows where they were on 9-11. When JFK was assassinated, everyone who was alive then knew where they were that day, except one guy. One guy doesn't know. He then knew where they were that day, except one guy. One guy doesn't know. He cannot remember where he was that day.

Who's that guy? George Bush. I can't remember where I was. Wow. Papa Bush, right? Right. And he, of course, was in the CIA at the time. And there's reports that he was in Dallas.

So there's so much. How could you not remember where you were? To say it. To say it is so crazy because that's a thing that we all say. Like, I remember where I was when Kinison died. Oh, me too. I was watching MTV. I was probably watching

You Say It. Who was it at the time that announced he was a Kurt Loder? I was listening to Howard Stern driving into the city when when all of a sudden that news came through I was in my living room in New Rochelle New York it was a you know shitty little apartment that I had and you know everyone was like crying it was fucked up it was a bummer for me it was a real bummer because he was the guy that really got me excited about doing

stand-up and I've told the story I won't say't say it again because I've told it so many times, but it was actually a girl that I worked with. She's this really funny, brassy girl, like a big volleyball player girl. And she did her impression of Sam Kinison. She was hilarious. She was a powerful woman. She was this big, athletic girl.

And so she was doing one of Sam Kinison's bits is my point. It's like her doing it was hilarious because she was like this like really good athlete. And so she's on her stomach going, oh, oh. You mean life keeps fucking me in the ass even after you're dead? It never ends. She's doing this bit on the phone. I wish I fucking, I don't even remember her name. I wish I remember her name because I only worked there for a few months that girl but that girl doing that like making me laugh

Mm-hmm. That's what got me. Got you into it. It's a blockbuster video. I was 19 That's what got me to go and wherever it was blockbuster or whatever store was open and get a video of Kinison doing stand-up. I was thinking about this on the way when I was at MTV 86 87 to 93, MTV had a real, oh, we got to get these comedians on. But it was always Paul Provenza, Judy Tenuta, Gilbert Gottfried. Kinnison only, and that's where I met him. We did the Rockin' Jock softball game. And he had his own team.

And it was hilarious. The whole thing was fantastic. But there weren't a lot of... I thought they had a very small set of comedians where at the time, I think that was New York was really popping with comedy and clubs were coming up but it always seemed like Paul Preventa, Judy Tanuta with Emo or whatever. Well, MTV

back in that day, I actually had some dealings with because I never saw you there you go well I was on the MTV half-hour comedy hour right okay one of the first things that ever did and then MTV offered me a show but it was a ridiculously low amount of money like crazy and they and if I tell me about the pilot even if I did the pilot it was something insane like I was locked into them for five years. And what had happened was a bunch of people had gotten really famous off of MTV, particularly Leary. Like Leary had gotten very famous off of MTV and then left and went on his own.

So they decided that they wanted to control people, that they make stars. And so the idea at this time, you know, we're talking about 93. Nothing's changed. It's nothing's changed. It's like 93. Yeah, I just left. So it was like 26. They were basically trying to say that, you know, we're not going to pay you much, but you're going to make you famous.

When they recruited me, I was in Holland. I was working. And they said, okay, we really want you to come and work for us. And I was like, okay, that's kind of interesting. I was 23, 22, like go live in New York. Fucking A. Fucking A. I'm all in.

How much are you going to pay? It was a two-year contract, $175,000 for year one. No, $150,000 for year one, $175,000 for year two. That's not a lot of money. It's not a lot of money to be a star. Because how much money are you generating i mean i'm not complaining but to live in new york it was not a shitload of money right it was you know rent was three grand for a decent place but that's below what you would ever have gotten if you were on something that was on and i was there for seven

years could never negotiate much higher and they kept firing me and shit. That's so crazy because you were like a star on MTV. No, no, stars don't exist on MTV. You can't be a star. Now, shut up. But you were to me. I was like, oh, there's Adam Curry. And that got me through it, Joe.

I was just scraping by in New York, but I know I was a star to other people. Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like it can open the door for you to do other things where you gain notoriety. If you're thinking about it, but it's not supposed to be that. It's supposed to be like an even distribution or a fair distribution. Value for value, perhaps?

Yeah, I mean, it is in a lot of ways. Like, you know, when someone like Tucker Carlson, I'm sure he gets paid a shitload of money, right? Because a lot of people are watching. hope so it all makes sense. You know, but there's places that if they can And they get their hooks in you they'd like a piece like a piece of everything. Yeah, you know and yeah That's what it was back then. What was even that's why the I don't know what those other folks had for deals But it's like when someone's offering you something and you don't know what those other folks had for deals, but it's like when someone's offering you something and you don't have anything else, it looks like a good idea.

And a lot of guys fell into that. Right. And then a lot of careers were launched from MTV back in the day. It was weird when it transitioned, right, because in the beginning it was music videos. Yeah, with VJs who were basically radio jocks on video. And then I started some radio stuff because that's where I come from. And I had my own syndicated – Adam Curry's Top 30 Hit List.

And it was on hundreds of stations. And the way it would work is you give the show for free and then you sell national ads. So we sold Reebok and Pepsi. But to clear the station, to get the station to run it on Sunday morning, like Casey Kasem or Shadow Stevens, I had to go every weekend to another station and do the B-95 Summer Jam. So I actually toured with Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch and Sisters with Voices and all these track acts

that were just going around the country. They had to do it for free to get their record played. I had to do it for free to get the show on the air. And it worked really well. But MTV then came and said, well, what do you want to be, man? You want to be a radio jockey or a VJ? I said, I have it in my contract that I can do this. It's just, they were assholes.

Seriously. What do you want to be? Like you could only do one of those things? Yeah. How are they mutually exclusive? Well, they wanted to lock you into MTV for low money. So, you know, like you said, I could do other things. I wanted to do this.

But they wanted you to stop doing those other things because those could lead to be a legitimate career. It was worse than that. They started MTV News, a syndicated show, and it aired on like K-Rock in L.A. and stuff. And, you know, they said, well, you're competing with us now. So I was kind of there before you did this. We never had a good—I was there for seven years. We never really had a good relationship. People did not like me there.

In fact, some of them despised me. Because I wouldn't cut my hair either. That was the big thing. You wouldn't cut your hair? Cut your hair. No. Fuck you. You're fired.

Okay. All right. Then they'd hire me back again. Why would they be able to be in you cut your hair? Cut your hair. No. Fuck you. You're fired. Okay. All right. Then they hire me back again. Why would they be able to be in control of your appearance? How stupid is that? That's the nature of the beast. But how stupid is that? It was the nature of the beast.

They think, we had creative director, they would come. Yeah. Actually, I'm on their side now. Hey, come on. That's outrageous. Look at that fucking outrageous head of hair you had. Oh my goodness, sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah. side now hey come on that's outrageous look at that fucking outrageous head of hair you had oh my goodness sir yeah yeah yeah but the idea like they knew what your fucking hair was like your

hair was always like that yeah but they'd have new people come in a new creative director and then all of a sudden we had the light switch was my favorite moment there's like all the vjs you're going to be on blue screen all you do is you sit on a blue box and we're going to put you uh your vj segments will be a diner and it'll just be a new York diner or a deli. And you'll see a TV in the corner and you were on the TV. So we went from my head on the screen to this guy in the corner and a little, and that was a whole, it was called project light switch. And it was, I think it was, I think it was a, a daughter of Silverman or something, you know, one of the, like, NBC or big universal execs or something like that. And she was going to be the star. And of course,

you couldn't make more ratings out of MTV. And they were smart. The only thing they could do is to do half hour comedy hour, remote control. You know, that's where they went from a 0.5 rating to a one. You got a one on MTV, you are the man. I mean, that was all money driven. So a 1.1 or 1.5, that was, fuck videos. And they were right because it was commoditizing. We used to have to compete with BET for Michael Jackson world premiere videos. So what did MTV do? They wound up buying BET because they couldn't control it. And now, you know, videos are just a, you know, that's just a cost of doing business. Everyone's got to have a video for their song. And that was a moment that we shared together.

And, you know, if you weren't alive and in your teens watching MTV, you don't understand what that was like. For young people, are videos important today? Like, is that a thing? what that was like. For young people, are videos important today? Like, is that a thing?

Like, are people making most songs have a video that goes with it? Yeah, I think so. Jamie's nodding his head. Visual songs,

there's like five versions you have to have almost. Oh, really? You gotta have like a karaoke version. You gotta have the one where you're acting in

and you gotta have like one with just art. You gotta have one with no moving images. So, music videos are big now and where are they shared mostly? They're mostly social media? TikTok. Yeah. TikTok, YouTube. Most of YouTube, I would say, with just art. You have to have one with no moving images. So music videos are big now. And where are they shared mostly?

They're mostly social media? TikTok. TikTok, YouTube. Most of YouTube, I would say. How long before TikTok's banned? Well, let me tell you what's going on with TikTok. I have a very opinionated explanation for what is going on with TikTok.

Okay. TikTok was eating Silicon Valley's lunch. They were taking all the ad money from Instagram, from Twitter, from Google. I'd say Google and Instagram and Facebook. Just killing it. Knocking it out of the fucking park. So look at who is saying,

oh, it's China and they're tracking everything. Communist Party. Dude, Facebook tracks you. Google tracks you. dude facebook tracks you google tracks you everyone fucking tracks you all over the place but all of a sudden tiktok is a problem no it's because they're eating their lunch and instead of competing because you know they've tried no one can seem to create the tiktok algorithm and the the thing that they have going there it's what people want the the quick hits the sing-alongs, et cetera. So they decided to lobby politicians

and come up with this scam. So it's Hawley, it's Marco Rubio, oh no, this is China. Fuck no, it's because Silicon Valley couldn't compete with them. That's what's going on. Interesting. Oh yeah.

That's an interesting perspective. I know a lot about the advertising business because I ran companies that were in that. There was so much. Everyone was buying TikTok. And, you know, when you have a big company like Facebook or Google who are tied into government, you know, how many times have they been to D.C. to explain what they're doing? And, you know, so that's all controlled. That's the only avenue they have to compete is that you got to get these guys out of here.

And good, luckily, even those American companies that run it, it's China. So, now, I'm not a China fan, but this is a fucking scam. They are just taking them down to get rid of the competition. It's very sad. That's interesting because they're not taking them down, still up. Oh, they will you think so? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's already, you know, it's banned at UT you can't you can't have tick-tock on your phone But at the same time there is a real problem with the Terms of Service at the same time

I see what you're saying and I see why they would want to do that, but they have an extraordinarily invasive software. It's no different from any other app that you have on your phone. It's no different? No. So you think that all of the other apps can track your keystrokes on other computers? Fuck yeah. Computers that aren't even connected to that?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But interesting. Interesting. So they're lying. Why doesn't Apple kick it off? Because people use it.

If Apple doesn't have TikTok, people will actually give up their iPhones. They're not going to kick it off. Now, what Apple did, if you remember, they changed some things in the way in what they allow apps to do. And that took about $10 billion off of Facebook's income. Yes. Because they couldn't sell the information that way anymore. Right, and they were mad. And TikTok is less interested in selling your information.

They're getting the ad dollars. It's continuous ad money. The whole thing is a big ad. Everything's an ad. Yeah, if you're a guy like Zuckerberg, you can't use an iPhone, huh? What do you mean? I mean, if Apple did that to his company and then, you know, made it so that they lost that much money in advertising

revenue by changing some, well, not advertising. They were, they're basically selling your information and creating profiles and they all do it. I mean, that's why I have the graphene OS. You know, I, I've had this phone for a while. I just don't- This is a different one than you had before. You had an old iPhone that had been converted, and then you went to- A Pixel. So we basically rip all the Google stuff off. And this is the six. I had the four. It was just time to upgrade. The screen was cracking. It's falling apart. The screen was cracking. It's falling apart.

And yet, if you're connected to a network, you still know where you are. But the apps cannot spy on me. I know what the apps are doing. They're running a sandbox. So nothing goes in or out unless I give it that permission. That's Graphene OS. Yeah, yeah. Noagendaphone.com.

Instructions are right there on how to do it. So you think that most of the applications, are they just not telling you the truth about what they're allowed to do with the terms and the permissions? People don't care. But is it written in there and no one's paying attention to it? Or is it just they're not putting that stuff in there because what what i'm saying is that at least it says in tiktok's terms like what it's outrageous but some of it is like you monitoring your keystrokes and having access to your microphones and stuff like that yeah they all have it they all have that why why would they not do it but it was also the one of the points of concern for some people was that it was linked to computers that aren't even loaded up with TikTok. Like they're not even connected. Everything is tracked. There's only one telephone company is the US government. They have everything. Everything is recorded. Everything that you put on a network anywhere goes into it. In Utah, they've got the big data centers.

They're all cooled underwaters, all kinds of high-tech shit. And whenever they need to find out what Joe Rogan is doing, let's pull up Rogan. Did he text Curry on Signal? What day was it? It just comes up. It comes up. Now, Signal – I mean encryption is a problem, which is a problem for the government. Signal, I mean, encryption is a problem, which, you know, is a problem for the government.

But again, you know, how many companies just give up the goods? Apple does maybe $30,000 a month or something. I mean, you know, what do you need? We'll give it to you. They pay for it. The FBI pays. We know that from the Twitter files. You know, it's like, hey, we need information on this account.

Okay, that's $5,000. And, well, okay, no problem. We'll just pay. These numbers, I'm making them up. Right. There were millions of dollars that they paid Twitter just for handing over account information. I think Twitter never really collected, though. Is that true?

I'm pretty sure that's true. Well, Facebook certainly did, and Google certainly does. And they published those numbers. They published the numbers that they, I don't know where. But I think that was a part of that narrative because, you know, there was a giant bill that the FBI had owed Twitter. It was like $3 million. Yeah, yeah. Apparently, they never paid. Find out if that's true.

Well, they're Welch's. What the hell? Yeah. FBI? You bastards? We're into the USA Today. Oh, there we go. USA Today. Well, they're Welch's. What the hell? Yeah. FBI? You bastards? According to the USA Today, it says- Oh, there we go. USA Today.

Well, I can't find it. Okay. Well, let's see what we got. No, this is the right message. You want to know what USA Today said. It's just conflating two separate events. Oh. Okay.

First, the documents released by new Twitter owner Elon Musk show that the FBI flagged Twitter accounts the agency believed violated Twitter's terms of service. Second, another document shows the FBI paid Twitter $3.4 million violated Twitter's terms of service. Second, another document shows the FBI paid Twitter $3.4 million for Twitter's processing of information requests the FBI made through a stored communications act. The $3.4 million is unrelated to the FBI flagging accounts. Yeah, that's unrelated. But it's also like we're giving you a lot of money. It's unrelated, yeah. But did they

actually pay the money? That was the question. I think you can look at this paying for account information because the Silicon Valley companies are like, well, we're not going to do this work for free. You've got to pay. We've got to put people on it. It's normal. But if they didn't pay it off, that's

fucked up. Are they going to give it to Elon? How, how does that work? It's a drop in the bucket at this point. Maybe someone erroneously reported that and I just read it. Well, I think what we're seeing with Twitter is... See if you can find it though. I'm looking, I'm looking. Okay. What we're seeing with Twitter is it was not a very profitable company. It kind

of ran a little bit... Yeah, it takes a lunatic to spend 44 billion dollars to get a not very profitable company So that he can let people just talk shit Well, I think he's doing more I think yes, and I'm not sure I listened to the Someone sent me the clip of you and him about four years ago Talking about AI and how that's gonna take over the world and how he tried to stop it and now he seems to be all in on it. But I think that's his X.com, which is what he wanted PayPal to be.

And that didn't turn out the way he wanted. And he's literally said, I want it to be like WeChat. I mean, he has said that. I want it to be your bank. I want to be your social. That app, you use a super app. He calls it a super app. That's what he's doing.

And, of course, with that, once you have authenticated everybody with a super app that's what he's doing and of course with that once you have authenticated everybody with a real name you don't need trust and safety you know if someone does something bad it's that person right and we can send the feds on them or the feds can find go themselves or you know you can have a lawyer sue you if you say something slanderous yeah but it will be the thing that you use like in China for everything. And he said that. So it's his words. And so it behooves him to to keep as many people on the platform by just letting it open. You know, it's beautiful to watch. I don't know if he's overextended himself a little bit on the cost of it. It's costing him a lot. It's costing him in value, in Tesla stock value, and he seems to be okay with that, which is great.

We'll see. I mean, it's a big nut to crack to do that, to create the WeChat of America or the rest of the world. the WeChat of America or the rest of the world. But then I see like Starlink, which to me was, I mean, Starlink was what an amazing fucking invention. I have it at home. I put this fucking dish on the ground and I got internet and it's fast and it's groovy. But of course, where does the real money come in? Now it's a military system, which I think was probably the plan all along. I mean, it's great to give consumers this for $110 a month. But when you had the military, and that came out of Ukraine, you know, how he said, hey, you should pay me for this. And they went, no, fuck you. You should do this just because you're a good guy.

And after a while, he's like, you know, I'm moving satellites around. You should probably pay me to do this as a service. And I forget what it's called. But it is now an actual government military service that is used in the field. It is kind of bizarre that a country can say, you should just kind of hook us up. That was the U.S. government saying that. The U.S. government was saying that. This is what I found about that.

Okay, here it goes. The U.S. government was saying that. This is what I found about that. Okay, here it goes. A former Facebook security executive has called Elon Musk's claim that the FBI paid Twitter to moderate content false. Alex Stamos, and this is what we were talking about earlier, that it was that you can't, like, say that this is exactly why they did it. But that's not what I said. No, no, no.

I'm not saying you did. Comment comes after journalist Michael Schellenberger shared a redacted screenshot of a 2021 email showing that Twitter had collected over $3.4 million from a reimbursement program for time spent processing FBI requests. That was just information requests. It wasn't deplatforming requests. I totally agree with that. I agree with that, too. But you also could recognize that if there is a deal where compensation is being paid to your company to the FBI, completely separate from politicians saying, you need to look at these guys. They're against your own terms and service. They're against what Fauci says. Take them down.

Flag them. Don't amplify them. That's the egregious part. That has nothing to do with the FBI as far as I'm concerned. Okay. If you look at, I think we talked about this, in 2000, maybe 2010 or 12, Mark Zuckerberg was man of the year and he was on the cover of Time Magazine. And if you read that article- Don't let that- I have it. I have it. Okay. If you read that article, in the middle of this interview, Robert Mueller, FBI director, pops his head in. Hey, I just happened to be in the building.

I just wanted to say hi, everybody. And even the reporter who wrote this Time magazine article says it was the most bizarre fucking thing I've ever seen. The FBI was already in these companies from inception. They were already for the collection. It's a beautiful system. People post pictures. There's your location. Here I am.

It's beautiful. Why wouldn't you want that as an intelligence organization? But they were in then. And Robert Mueller, who it must have been 2012 because they extended him for a couple against the Constitution, which is really funny because he's only supposed to be there for a couple against the constitution which is really funny because he's only supposed to be there for 10 years after the you know the fbi has a sordid history and there was a a very solid law put in place no fbi director can be fbi director more than 10 years except robert muller was in for an extra two years for some reason because you know whatever

when obama came in well we need this guy and he was in for an extra two years for some reason because, you know, whatever. When Obama came in, well, we need this guy. And he was literally in the Facebook building. Oh, it just happened to be in the building. The director of the FBI? Come on. That was, you know, so they've been there for a long, long time. That is bizarre. Thank you, Jamie.

Oh, dynamite, man. Thank you so much. This is great, Joe. It's so fun to talk with you. It's great to see you, brother. I'm good. We should clarify what it actually said, Jamie. Oh, dynamite. Thank you so much. This is great, Joe. It's so fun to talk with you. It's great to see you, brother. I'm good. We should clarify what it actually said, though. One of the things that's interesting, he said, so this is a Mastodon thread.

So this guy, Stamos, who left Facebook in 2018 to lecture at Stanford, explained that law enforcement has the ability to get stored communications from companies like Twitter under 18 USC 273D. This infamous D order has to be signed by a judge. He said that out of the companies can demand reimbursement for the request, which is what Twitter did. Oh, no. Oh, no. They almost got us. He said companies can demand reimbursement for the request, which is what Twitter did,

that companies can demand reimbursement for the request, which is what Twitter did, though prior to 2019, as shown by the email screenshot, the company chose not to. So they chose not to get reimbursement prior to 2019. So for a while, they were doing it for free. They were doing the government's work for free. Yeah, but it becomes expensive.

Google is always charging for it. I think Apple is charging for it. And they publish those numbers. It just is not. It's so weird. It's all part of the distraction to keep us guessing. And whatever you do, keep posting selfies. We need you to keep posting selfies.

Keep letting us know what you're doing. Track you everywhere. That's, back to TikTok, that's why Google is upset. Because kids today, I'm just going to use kids because we're old fucks now, Joe. I like any air quotes like Richard Nixon. Kids today! Kids today! Thank you.

I feel good about my impression now. When they want to find a good restaurant in Austin, they don't go on Google and say good restaurant in Austin. They go to TikTok. What's a good restaurant in Austin? And then there's a video of, oh, this is a great, look at this food, buh, buh, buh, buh. That's where they're going.

So the search is falling apart. And that's Google's business is search. Everything is random for them. 120,000 people have been fired in Silicon Valley in the past 12 months. There's a whole bunch of things. Yeah, they're dropping like flies. What is going on with that?

The free money train is over. The interest rates are now 5%, so free money is not free anymore. It used to be almost zero. I saw this comparison. Sorry. What's that do? To back up his point, this guy has, I've seen his videos a few times. I asked a few friends.

They've also seen it. He's an MMA fighter in Vegas. His name's Keith Lee, 125. He's fought in Bellator. He doesn't have a ton of fights. They've also seen it. He's an MMA fighter in Vegas. His name's Keith Lee, 125. He's fought in Bellator. He doesn't have a ton of fights. Oh, there you go. But he's got 9.7 million followers on TikTok, and he's blown some people up in Vegas

that have very small-time food trucks. They're making a couple hundred bucks. The next day, they have lines that they can't control. Thousands of people coming to show up. This is a problem for Google. It's very wild how this has happened. He's done it to multiple people. And then we get the next problem for Google. It's very wild how this has happened. He's done it to multiple people. And then we get the next problem for Google,

chat GPT. This is open AI. This is very interesting, what's happening. What were we just talking about before you brought that up, though? Oh, about TikTok being the place where the kids

search for, search. They don't search on Google anymore. They search on TikTok. Yeah, there was something I was going to bring up. Sorry. I'm trying to remember what it was. It's not going to come to me. But, I mean, I think it's fascinating that there's different ways that kids are communicating.

But what scares me is this, the way that this thing has like just it grips people like none of the other ones do like it's so much better at like addicting you it's so good at it like i see people with tiktok they just can't put it down i see grown men in hill country like like total like trump the hardcore collar, like my, my septic guy, Paul the septic guy. Love this guy. He's a fucking great guy. TikTok. Wow, man, look at this shit.

I got Greg who, you know, does some, some welding. Yeah. Oh, look at this shit. I got it. And they spend hours on TikTok. I mean, dude, you're a grown man. What are you doing? It's funny.

It's great. It's very very the algorithm is what Instagram tried to replicate it with reels and they're just failing

TikTok nailed it they just nailed it they just nailed it and Instagram doesn't want you looking at pictures anymore get out of here

with your fucking pictures that's just bullshit look at this video which of course half the reels are actually TikTok repurposed on Instagram.

I mean, it's so funny how people claim to know how the Instagram algorithm actually works. Like, oh, you got to show the – nobody wants to look at pictures anymore. You got to show the reels. Like, are you sure? Like, you are making these bold claims based on zero data. Yeah. Like, you're not doing any research, and yet everybody claims to know they're shadow banned.

Of course. Oh, yeah. I'm shadow banned. I see people, like, that have a thousand followers, and they think they're shadow banned. Like, come on, man. Like, it's so weirdly grandiose.

And it's the thing, like, people have this, there's a nice feeling that someone is trying to hold you back. You know, someone, your content's too dangerous, Adam. Well, this is, yes.

And it's part of this. It's become a part of the system. Because for people who have podcasts or do stuff on, you know, like video and they promote it on Instagram or Twitter, it's become part of the, the man is out to get me, you know, follow me over on Rumble. Like Rumble's going to be, Rumble's going to be great forever. No, Rumble's a public company. They're going to have their own shit.

They're not going to be able to put everything up there they want. When there's money involved, that's what Mastodon is so great. We cut our service to 10,000 people. Now, you can follow me, Adam, at noagenthesocial.com from any Mastodon account. But we just want 10,000. Otherwise, it's too much of a shit show. We can't manage it. And even I, because I have all the power in the world on that server,

if I see someone who all he's doing is just posting to other people on other servers saying, I mean, all this horrible shit. Boom, you're done. Get the fuck off my server. You're done. I kick you off. So it's logical that this is going gonna happen in these big companies for whatever

reason it's too big is just none of it none of it makes sense to have on your platform if you want to have advertisers you can't you just can't do that it doesn't work that way right and what's cool about mastodon is you can just set up your own server you don't need anyone's permission you can do whatever you want if you want to be on my server the one that you know that is our community you got to be just be you can say whatever you want i'm not too worried about words but you got to be involved in the community and not just shit posting other people right you know that's just rude you know go find your own do your own thing

but it's but isn't like having that kind of control to stop people from shitposting, it becomes subjective. And this is one of the weird things about freedom of speech, right? Of course. Everybody wants freedom of speech, but everybody doesn't want to be yelled at, right? You don't want to be around people that are talking shitty. So there's a weird line that you have to draw. But when do you draw that line? But that doesn't matter because I draw that line for whatever I feel like.

Right. But you can take your account and you can go to another server. You take your followers with you. You don't lose anything. That's not what I'm saying. Okay. I'm sorry. What I'm saying is like removing people from their ability to have these conversations,

removing people from any social media network. One of the things that people like one of the things that Elon saw, like very quickly, it's like the idea that you're just going to let people just go wild. No, you have to have some restrictions. He has restrictions.

Yeah. Yes, because he had to ban Kanye West. Yeah. Like Kanye West was, which is the craziest thing ever, right? You have a rapper

who's one of the most famous people alive and he decides to make a star of David with a swastika inside of it. Well, isn't it funny? That's it. He touched the third rail.

And he has his reasons. And these are long-rooted reasons that neither of us are qualified to discuss. I don't think. I think the correct thing to do is to let him talk. And then for people to talk shit about the dumb things that he's saying. That's normal. I would agree. This is not, it's not normal to say you can never make these squiggly lines with your

pen because it freaks me out because a hundred years ago or 80 years ago, a horrible thing happened. Yeah. It did that. A horrible thing happened. We all, we're, we're all with you. What he's saying is wrong. We're all with you, but people should be able to say that to him. And the only way they can say that to him is if he's actually on there.

So since he's, since you ban him now, you get this weird situation where, okay, well, who else are you going to ban and how are you going to decide? And where, are you going to decide? And what is the line that you can't cross? And how subjective is it? This is why centralized systems are bad. So Mastodon is decentralized. If I kick someone off my server, I don't remove their ability to do the same. They can take their followers with them.

They go anywhere they want. And nothing has changed. It's just not on my server, not on my computer cycles. I see what you're saying. So you choose not to interact with assholes, but they can still interact with other people. That's the difference between a centralized thing and decentralized. Yeah. Now, you bring an interesting point up.

I grew up in Amsterdam. I have to pee so bad. I'm so sorry. You want to pee? I want to hear this amsterdam story but let's pee yeah okay we're going to come back do you remember exactly what you were going to say oh yeah i do we'll hold that thought okay all right we'll be right back i lost whatever thought i had thank god oh man so nice to be able to pee it's fun to do that together the problem is like

it distracts you so much you can't like form sentences correctly. I peed for like a minute and a half straight. That was ridiculous. You were doing a good job there. I grew up in Amsterdam. Yes. And when I was playing with friends at their house, their grandmothers would be there. And their grandmothers, some of them had tattooed numbers on their arms because they had been in concentration camps. And there was a huge sentiment against Germans. I mean, you know,

the Netherlands capitulated within 24 hours. Here's my bike, you know, take over our country, whatever. And now this was in, I was there in the 70s. So it was really only 30 years after the, after the war. And, you know, just like, fuck the Germans. We don't like the Germans. Now, years after the war. And, you know, just like, fuck the Germans. We don't like the Germans. Now, the German people, they will say, we didn't know. Wir haben es nicht gewusst. We didn't know. Or we were just following orders. And the thing that we take away from that is never again, or never. They say, I would say always remember, but they say, never forget, never again. We can never have that happen again. So who really were the people doing it? They were mind-controlled, brainwashed into believing that Jews, gypsies, you know, crippled, non-Aryan looking people were all bad and they were the

source of their problems. I'm going to take that and say that by 2000, it was finally we had a new I'm going to take that and say that by 2000, it was finally we had a new generation of Germans. You know, now we're like two generations in. Still, Hollywood still makes the Germans look like. It's still it's it's traumatizing to German people. This is exactly what happened with COVID. And it's and the people became the Nazis, just like the Germans became the Nazis. And this is, so we said never again, but we fucking did it again.

And we didn't realize that we were doing it again. We were othering people. Othering, yes. And it's still going on today. And this is a travesty. And this othering, if we don't, I mean, I don't know if we can even stop it, but it will go on for generations. It's so natural for people to do. It's so natural for people to do. It's so natural for people to other, even other people that are like in their close proximity. But where does it come from?

It's just a tribal thing, I think. How about evil? Evil, yeah. It is 100% evil, but it's also because there were evil people in the world. And I think we have like a built-in reaction to try to fight off those people that might be evil and for people that believed i'm not saying they were right they were wrong but the people that believed they looked at unvaccinated people like plague rats and i saw people say people that i know yeah wrote called them plague rats on twitter but that is a natural thing i think but where does that is is evil just a natural thing does it is it do you think that I need to be resisted it's an actual evil in

the world yes and that evil makes good people do evil things no but I think weak people do evil things so I think people get scared and I think when they're scared that's when they're more likely to be evil I think it's more that I think there's probably more evil being committed by scared people than there is by actual evil people. I believe there's evil in the world. I think there's evil in the world as well. And if I believe there's evil in the world, then there's got to be good in the world. And the beginning of last year, it was actually Naomi Klein wrote a couple of sub stacks.

And she was, you know, Naomi Klein, she's like Jewish lady, super leftist, elitist, you know, hangs out with all the hedge fund people, has the dinners Upper East Side. And she saw people who she knew were not evil saying and doing evil things in hedge fund and money and stuff like that. And she said, oh, you know, there has to be good. And she went on kind of a spiritual journey. And I was very interested by this because I've looked at every conspiracy theory, you know, moon landing, 9-11, JFK. I mean, all kinds of conspiracies. The one I'd never looked at, and now, you know, I'm 58. So I'm like, okay, let me look at this one is God. And I said, let me see about this God thing. I've never been a religious guy.

And so I start reading and I start talking. I also found that around me, like a couple of people I was working with, they're all Christians. And not that anyone was ever pushing anything on me. When I asked them questions, they were gladly answered. And there's a lot of stuff written about Jesus. There's a lot written, you know, thousands of years of books, and there's some contemporary stuff such as evidence demands a verdict, and, you know, there's just so much.

And I've got to tell you, Joe, as sure as I know, that Building 7 didn't fall down out of sympathy for Building 1 and 2. God is real. Jesus existed. He was a badass outlaw and has changed my outlook on life. It has really changed the way I look at things. And I believe that we can win with God. I know it may sound a little weird coming from me, but I'm all in on this. And I'm not a... You know, like, you know, you may think of someone who believes in God or Jesus as a crazy right-wing nut job, which I'm

obviously not, but man, it's powerful stuff when you, when you put a prayer into your life, it's really powerful. The Holy Spirit. I don't think there's anything weird about it at all. I mean, I think it's, there's a reason why it exists why it's so prevalent in so many cultures it it helps people it's about love yeah it's all about love yeah whether or not uh the idea the problem is the word that word has got co-opted yeah the word has been co-opted a lot of people's minds there's not a real problem with the word the process i should rephrase that there's a problem with the perception of the word sure the perception of the word is that you believe in fairy tales and you believe stories old mythical stories by the book

and you believe that gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married and you believe you know there's like all sorts of stuff that comes with that that's not really contemporary religion anymore but right yeah i understand but that isn't that fascinating though contemporary religion is a fascinating concept of course because then you have to agree that the hand of man has decided and culture has decided to manipulate these ancient doctrines and change them to keep up with the times or evil or evil yeah or evil it's kind of like but i think what I was going to say is like the concept of like a guy in the sky, you know, with a robe on, like what people consider God, that might seem ridiculous. But the idea that there's a powerful force of the universe, like why wouldn't there be? Like how else did this happen?

How else did this happen? Even if that powerful force is just some scientific creation machine that's impossible for you to wrap your head around the amount of power that it has. It's literally created the universes, the multiverses, the different planets and the different beings and all the inventions. It's created everything. And it's constantly in this creative process. Like just knowing that that's a real thing can give you order in your life. I think the problem that a lot of people have is they think they're smarter than they really are. So they think that like saying they believe in God like makes them seem stupid, you know, and they're worried about criticism. Yeah, of course.

So they won't say it. Well, it's interesting because you look at the concept of the simulation or the matrix. Yeah, of course. to read stuff. And there's a lot more documentation of Jesus walking the earth and God and the Holy Spirit than there is about the simulation. There's just a lot more believable information out there that has been studied by scholars for thousands of years. What do you think Jesus's role was? Who do you think he was? Well, he was literally the son of God, and he was on the earth to teach, and he wandered. I mean, he was an outlaw. He did some crazy shit. He overturned the tax tables, and he really railed against a lot of stuff.

Why do you think, based on what information that you have, why do you think that he existed? Well, Jesus had to die after teaching us how to live a good life and how to be a good person, which is all about love. And that was to absolve us of our sins, which is kind of a cool out. You know, so everyone's a sinner, everyone's fucked up, everyone's flawed, but you are forgiven for that as long as you try to be better. I mean, that's literally every book in the Bible is about, be better. I mean, that's literally every book in the Bible is about, like I was reading this morning, I forget what it was, but it's like Jesus said, be quick to listen, slow to answer, and slow to get angry. And I took that here, because I remember last time I was here, which was over a year ago, and a lot of people said, dude, you're a fucking asshole. You keep

interrupting Joe. And I did. And you even said, calm down, Adam, calm down. You're excited to talk. But yeah, but that's just normal excitedness. It's not, you're not being an asshole, but it's better if I listen, it makes everything better if you, so it's just small things like that. But ultimately it's 100% about love and, um, and knowing that it can, it can be beaten. This evil in the world can be fought against. In fact, it's probably already done. And I'm just new to this, Joe, so I can't answer everything. But I love studying it.

I love reading. I'm just, it's fascinating material. And there's so much there. It's really fascinating. It's the guidebook for life, right? Yeah. It is in a lot of ways. But why do you believe that someone really was the son of God? I mean, if you're talking about information that's been written, I mean, when they wrote the New Testament, how long had he been dead when they wrote that, when they put that together?

And long had he been dead when they wrote that, when they put that together? Well, the Testament is literally people who witnessed him and wrote about him at the time. And they decided what information to put in and what not to based on, like Constantine had a say in it, right? Again, I'm new to this, but there's so many amazing things about the books in the Bible. There's code. You know, certain scripture has exactly this amount of letters, but no consonants or vowels or duplicate. I mean, there's all kinds of crazy stuff that just seems like it's impossible to phony that up. But your question is, why do I believe that? Why do you believe he's the son of God?

Not why do you... Okay. I mean, obviously, there's so much that's a part of... Whenever you have a religion, when you have an oral tradition of this religion where people are just talking these stories to each other before it's ever written down, which they think was like a thousand years when you're talking about the Old Testament, right? And then it was written down and it was written in ancient Hebrew and then it was translated. But a person being the actual son of God, I would need a lot of evidence to believe that. Evidence demands a verdict would be a great book to read. But just as I know that JFK was assassinated and I really believe the CIA was involved

because it's been written. I've just read documents and documents. So when you look into the Bible and everything that's been written about the Bible, that's a hundred million times more has been written about that and it's survived all these years. So I'm just someone who reads. Right but if someone writes about the shining and a bunch of people review the writing of the shining and write about the shining it doesn't mean that the shining actually happened you know just because so many people are writing about this particular religion doesn't mean that there was a person. But they haven't written about

it. Doesn't mean they weren't I'm not saying they weren't I'm not saying I know but I'm saying it doesn't mean that that was that man was the son of god i'm just telling you my process is when i investigate things and to me it was a conspiracy theory like i'm just going to start reading and i read for three weeks until i gave up and said i can keep reading but all the evidence just is thrown at me over and over and over again if i'm going to believe certain things about JFK or 9-11 or whatever which I've read as much as I can but there's not that much it's just to my own my own conscience I have to if I'm going to believe that after reading you know 50 years of documentation versus that thousands of years of documentation but it's thousands of years of documentation? But it's thousands of years of documentation of a story.

See, the problem is anybody... Multiple stories. Like people have said, multiple people have said today that they are the son of God. In fact, there's this guy, this Australian Jesus guy. I don't know if you know who he is. He says he's Jesus reincarnated, and he's got this lady that he's with,

and he says that she's Mary reincarnated. I don't know if they're still in active. I don't know. They're still rocking this little thing that they're doing. I have no idea. But this guy was running around claiming that he was Jesus. The problem is if he was really good at it and really successful in a time when people were not very sophisticated,

he could probably pull that off. And then when he dies, everybody will say he was the son of God. Sure. And we don't know. No. So how would you know that this guy who lived 2,000 plus years ago is actually the son of God? That's why I call myself a believer.

Because you just believe. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I've seen what it has done for my own life. What does it do for your own life when you believe? It makes me a very happy person. Prayer does work, not if you're asking for stuff for yourself. But I've experienced, it's not really just the miracles that I've experienced,

but really it makes me happy. Good things have been happening. So you just find it effective. It works for you. Of course. And so you're just saying this has helped your life. It's interesting because people will resist this, right? Of course they will, which is why I'm bringing it up with you because I love that you can discuss this with me just as two dudes discussing this.

Yeah. Well, I'm not an anti-religious person. I certainly was when I was younger. When I was younger, I had an ignorant version of religion, what it meant to people. But now I think of it more of like a moral scaffolding and a guideline for life that I think there's a reason why it exists. I think it's very beneficial for people. I think when people get involved, and I didn't think this when I was young, but I was very smug. And I thought of people that were religious as being duped.

You got duped, right? You believe in some stupid shit that was written by people who were writing on fucking cave walls. But the reality is I know a lot of people that are Christians. They're really nice people. I know a lot of people that are Muslims that are really nice people. Christians, they're really nice people. I know a lot of people that are Muslims that are really nice people. And I think part of one of the reasons why they're so put together is because of their religious belief. I had this guy, Bilal Muhammad on the other day, he's a UFC top 10 welterweight, amazing guy. He won't even say fuck. He says, what the fudge? He was saying,

what the fudge? The man is a cage fighter. He's not just a cage fighter. He's elite. He's in the top 10 of the welterweight division, was arguably the most talent-rich division in the entire sport, or one of them, one of two or three. And this fucking guy won't even say fuck. Because it's religion. Talking about sports. Something happened. Damar Hamlin.

Damar Hamlin got a hit. He's the Buffalo Bills, I think. Yes. He got a hit. He goes out. He's down. Cardiac arrest. Yeah.

This is the number one TV slot of the week, Monday Night Football. What did we see? We saw huge men of all colors, all backgrounds, and women, and anyone from the sidelines in a prayer circle. And they prayed for him and DeMar Hamlin said that day before the game he said I think God is going to be working with me in a different way today why he said that I don't know but it's historically he wrote that he said that before the game do you say that publicly like yes yeah there's articles there's a reporting on it. Whoa.

And then, now, no one said, look at those crazy Christian fucks in their prayer circle. That's not going to help. Of course, the guy lives. The Buffalo Bills quarterback says, what happened there has made me, I think, a better follower of Christ. Wow. These are not coincidences. I mean, you just look at that and say, holy mackerel, that is really interesting. Well, skeptics and cynics would immediately dismiss the idea that a collective group of like-minded people who only have love on their

mind can't impact the zeitgeist. Impact space. The space around them. What are you showing me? The article. It says, game day. Nothing I want more than to be running out that tunnel with my brothers. God using me in a different way today. Tell someone you love them today. It already happened.

Wow. Oh, it had already happened? I believe so. I think it happened before. I mean, I've seen a news article. But, it had already happened? I believe so. Oh, this is after? I think it happened before. I mean, I've seen a news article. But, okay, maybe not. I don't know for sure. Okay, was not able. See, he wrote that afterwards.

See, it says, although Hamlin was not able to return to the stadium for his team's game on Sunday, he tweeted that God is using him in a different way. So it seems like it was after. That's possible that I got that wrong. Either way, it's like the people that got together and they prayed for him, I'm not saying that replaces medical science. No, of course not. Medical science saved him.

But I am saying that it might be possible that we're discounting the idea of people thinking about things in a very good way in unison Having an effect on everything that's around us. Like there's a weird thing that yes, we assume that Human communication is just words. I'm saying sounds and you're listening and you interpret it But there's also like an energy that's going between people. Absolutely. There's good energy and there's bad energy. There's people that are creeps and there's people that are fun.

And you don't know until you're around them sometimes. But if a bunch of people are together and they all think a thing and they all like, we're so silly to think that that doesn't have some kind of an impact. It might not have an impact, but it might. It might be something that you can't put on a scale. It might be something that affects things in a different way. You know, like cities have a vibe, right? If you land in an impoverished inner city, you're driving the light.

There's a vibe, and it's not fun. It's not a fun vibe. It's a weird vibe. There's places that have a vibe. And you've got to wonder how much of that is just how the people that are in that area

feel about things and that it puts it out there. Of course, yeah. How much of it? Well, I mean, if people get to get, call it what you want. I mean, I think I always said I'm spiritual, I believe in energy, et cetera.

So I've just put a different name on that, which I truly believe in. So what is that energy? That has not been scientifically really shown or hasn't been really given a name. But when people come together in church and pray or on the field and pray. Or at a comedy show. It can be very beneficial I think that's what's happening in comedy shows in the hand of God works

it's not like God says oh make him live no hey medical science people let's help him I got some prayers here let's do this you can argue either way you could argue that atheists saved him too of course and that's fine my But my point is, it's like,

I really do think there's some stuff that's going on that we're not measuring, that you can't measure. There's stuff that's going on with human beings. It might be that you can sort of guide life in a direction that's outside of logic. I mean, that you might be able to guide life in a direction that's outside of logic. Outside, I mean, that you might be able to guide life in a direction with positive energy, but only so much so. Like, you know, the people that are like into the secret, I remember, like, oh, you make your own destiny. I go, I go, babies get killed in drive-bys.

Babies get killed in drive-bys. You can't say that. You can't say everything that happened to you is because of your thoughts. That's ridiculous. I think it has some effect. We don't know what that effect is. But I think there's some effect that human beings have on the world around them. But it's not total. And the idea that it is like well what

about super volcanoes did you fucking will that to happen like come on what about asteroid impacts what about acts of god hurricanes tornadoes your fucking whole village is torn apart by a tornado did you ask for that no you didn't no there's a certain amount of life that's fucking random and it's very egocentric to pretend that it's not i'm not pretending no you're not but some people do but i you know some people do the of course that's why i said i believe there is evil covid where's it come from you know did it come from a lab did it come from a bat did it come from evil energy to come from evil people there's there's a guideline which gives you just an incredibly good feeling. And I have to say that, I mean, the people that I've met who are Christians are not, you know, no one walks around saying, hey, I'm a Christian. You know, this is what we should do.

No. They have their own ways. And I think I'm bringing it up with you because I feel like it's honest with you. I want to tell you where I'm at in my life. I appreciate that. I appreciate that you can do that. Yeah. Well, thank you. I can do up with you because I feel like it's honest with you. I want to tell you where I'm at in my life. I appreciate that. I appreciate that you can do that. Yeah, well, thank you. I can do that with you.

No one else, I could do this with no one else. It has made my life that much happier. And the people who I meet are just happy people. We don't sit around talking about God. That's the goal, though, right? I don't think so. I mean in life No, no to be happy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's love love love is like what you're saying is the goal Like you're you saying like I'm happy we're around happy people. That's that's the goal, right? That's what everybody wants

So like whatever methods you get to get there It's interesting that some people would rather not get there and rather be in a shitty depressed As long as they're not duped but you've been duped by life like of course because your life sucks but i mean there's super depressed the idea is not that god fixes everything the idea is if you if you can believe in it and can put yourself in a mindset i I'm just looking at a little abstract now. You put yourself in a mindset that things can happen, that miracles do happen, that things do impact your life, and that you look at things in a different way.

You're not always completely fucked up about, this is not happening for me or that's not happening. Do you think it's like psychological software that you can run? Like your belief in God, do you think it's like psychological software that you can run? Like your belief in God. Do you think that's like psychological software that you could just run and they're like, ooh, look, everything's smoother. No, it's not.

No, because everything isn't smoother, but you at least don't freak out when shit isn't smooth. Right. I don't mean it in a derogatory way. No, I know. Or a negative way. I know. What I mean is like, is that why it's effective?

That it's like a natural thing that you could run and it's been honed over time. It only makes sense that it has been. Well, yes. Well, here you go. I love this. It just sort of slides into- What is the software? What is the code?

It's the Bible. It is the gospel, scripture. That is, if you want to look at it that way, it is the code that you run in your brain and it does things for you. Yeah. So that's a way of looking at it. That's kind of a good way, actually. I hadn't thought of that one.

I like that. Yeah, like a psychological software. Sure. But, you know, if you just want to run things in DOS, your fucking life is going to be clunky shit. Why don't you get a nice user interface? Most of your life runs on AS400 mainframe still. So, you know, airlines, the government, everything runs on pre-DOS shit.

I mean, it's still all wrapped up in that. Yeah. Well, thank God the elections are wired down. They've got that super advanced. Yeah, that's all fixed. Nobody can fuck with that. That's one thing that we can all agree on. We all agree.

We have total confidence that the elections are fair. Absolutely, absolutely. Elections are fair. It's funny, man. It's funny. I love it. I love it. The world is going crazy.

We live in a very, very, very, very strange state. We do. But things are, there's more, I think there's more people that are questioning narratives today than there's ever been before. Because questioning narratives is something that's like publicly discussed by millions. It's a different thing because of the, one of the things about the freedom the internet gives you is like any person can just start a youtube page and you just need an iphone or whatever a fucking samsung whatever you can do a camera you are you have the potential to reach everybody and that weirdness allows people to start talking about all sorts of shit that never is going to make it to fox news never is going to make it to Fox News, never is going to make it to CNN, never, ever, ever. But those things will be seen by more people than are watching those things.

Oh, without a doubt. So what is mainstream now? That's what's weird. Because mainstream is talking about wacky conspiracy theories and like, how old is Egypt really? Outrage. Outrage is mainstream outrage you are the great american conversationist you you will go down in history as the only person in our modern time who would have conversations with people across the spectrum and just not even put your opinion on it you rarely put your you say what you think but you don't but you don't try to but you leave people in their own value you say well i did i do

want i i think the only way to find out what someone really thinks is to let them talk and some people say well you're not pushing back enough like it's there's a fine line the tjs but i think it's what's this is what's important it's like you do find something out when you push back on people you do yeah but you also find something if you allow this person without judgment to extrapolate and to expand and to like you just try there's certain times i want to go shut the fuck up but i don't i don't it takes a lot of restraint it's a dumb it's a dumb instinct it doesn't get anybody anywhere nobody wants to shut the fuck up you tell people to shut the fuck up they get mad at to shut the fuck up, they get mad at you.

Unless I'm joking around with a friend. I'll say, shut the fuck up. But for the most part, that's just being playful. My favorite is a category of people I call the TJs. The TJs? The TJs, yeah, the TJs. What's a TJ? Well, the TJ, so I made the mistake of saying on No Agenda,

I'm going on Joe on Tuesday. So the TJs are the tell Joes. Tell Joe to talk about this. Tell Joe to have him on. Tell Joe that he needs to be orange-pilled about Bitcoin. Tell Joe, tell Joe, tell Joe. Can you tell Joe?

And I'm like, dude, I'm going on a show. I'm excited to talk to Joe. We're just going to have a chat. Don't tell me what I have to tell him. Tell Joe. It's everyone and their grandmother comes out to tell Joe. Yeah, I get that.

Oh, my goodness. I hear about that. It's incredible. It's kind of amazing what subjects are actually mainstream now. I mean, if you really look at just the actual numbers, like FTX, the FTX scandal is mainstream. I love it. Because it's mainstream on the internet,

and the internet is where everybody is. So it is mainstream, even if they're not discussing it very much on these networks that might have had some sort of a financial tie. Could have been. Could have been. Could have been. I don't know. Maybe some of these politicians-

197. Would have an incentive- 197- To look the other way. 197 people in Congress took money from FTX. What are the coincidences? 197 coincidence is this thing? I'm just saying it just happens what a great move though buy off everybody But even then it still doesn't help you if your money runs out isn't that that's a weird little whore game

You're playing um you know you could you could pay off as many people as you can keep it running But you better keep that fucking hustle running It's this is so loaded with shit that well I don't think we'll ever see the bottom of this pit. Well, as a guy who's really into crypto, that must be fascinating for you to watch that blow apart, right? Well, I'm very happy that it blew apart because these are all shit coins. As a guy who was into Bitcoin, not crypto,

all of this came after Bitcoin. All of it's shit and all of it needs to go to zero. So you think Bitcoin is the only way? Well, yeah. No one controls it. There's no CEO. No one can do anything different with it. It just exists. And it kind of exists because of the network of people, because ultimately, you don't need any company. You don't even need mining companies.

I run two miners at home. I print about $1.50 a day. And I love it. It makes me feel in control of my destiny that i can do things with other people and the government can't tell me what i can or cannot do with my money i love that adam curry's a bitcoin miner it's awesome it's fun it really is i'm sure but i integrated that into podcasting 2.0 so now 25 a day you say dollar dollar 50 more at the current prices. It's not about the money is more about fun I'm keeping the network alive. I'm part of the network I am part of millions of people who who believe in what Bitcoin is capable of and it's really an Escape hatch, you know when all the shit comes down

if I want to receive value or money and the government won't let me or Elon's system won't let me or PayPal won't let me, whatever it is, I can still transact with someone and you literally cannot stop that. You cannot stop the transfer of Bitcoin. You can stop buying Bitcoin for dollars. You can stop selling Bitcoin for dollars. But you can't stop me from mining Bitcoin. And you can't stop me from sending it to you or you sending it to me. That just can't be. Unless you turn off the internet and then still, it can still work. Yeah.

The fluctuations, though, they don't disturb you. Do you think that eventually that will even out and become more rational like the the idea that it can drop from 70 to 20 is that ever gonna like balance out is it more stable now that it was initially it's obviously more valuable than it was initially yes it well if you look at the mathematics of it it is intended to always increase in value you know about that dude that lost like a hard drive full? He's an idiot. And he's paying them to go through the dump? I literally, the way you, so if you can remember 12 short words, your Bitcoin is always with you. So I can travel across the world, if I can remember 12 words and I enter those into any random Bitcoin program, my wallet, my money will come right back. There's some people, I don't believe this, but some people who think that if you remember your

12 words, when you die in the afterworld, you'll still have your Bitcoin. If you remember the 12 words. But that's a very unique feature that you can go anywhere in the world without any technology, whatever. As long as you can remember 12 words, you can have access to your Bitcoin. That's cool. But someone can get them 12 words out of you. Yeah. Of course they can beat it out of you. Of course.

Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, it could be nasty. Anybody could just drag your Bitcoin out. They could. They could. So that's why you want to have multiple wallets and you want to do other things. Oh, Jesus, Adam Curry. Oh, Jesus.

I'm not too worried about that. I just like the idea. And I don't view it as an investment. I mean, every company on NASDAQ and Dow Jones has gone down by 60, 70%. So everyone's value is down right now. And remember, it's Bitcoin versus the U.S. dollar. When the U.S. dollar gains value, the DXY, which is how they, versus the pound or the euro, then of course, Bitcoin is going to be less valuable. If the dollar goes down, Bitcoin becomes more valuable. It's two sides of the same coin when you look at Bitcoin versus dollars. If you just look at Bitcoin as in Bitcoin, then if you have a Bitcoin, you still have a Bitcoin. So this FTX thing was all what you would call shit coins?

100%. So these are all cryptocurrencies that just exist on someone's imagination? They made it up. They just made it up and they could create as many as they want. That's the whole game. We go back to the dollar. They created 40% of all the dollars printed were made in the last three years. What did we get? Inflation. Bitcoin will be 21 million. That's it. And we won't mint the 21st million Bitcoin until 150 years from now. We'll all be dead. So explain to me these crypto shit coins. So anybody can just decide that they're going to start a coin, and then if it gets popular and people are willing to buy it, then it becomes valuable.

And then you could also have not just coins, but you could also have, like, there's, what was the other thing that they have, Jamie? but you could also have like there's what was the other thing that they have Jamie but there's coins and those but there's also like what's that other shit a token

token same thing it's the same thing but the token's not as regulated no oh well okay isn't a token hold on hold on there's changeable words sometimes oh my god I hate everybody there's something else there's one other thing. So there's token and coin is the same thing.

There's something called a stable coin. And this is kind of where it started to go wrong. The stable coin is a token that is supposed to be equal to the U.S. dollar. So one tera, which went bankrupt famously, one USDC, all these different stable coins. And they are used to transact at a dollar value. But they are backed by, they're supposed to be backed by one-to-one bonds, cash money, etc. This is now getting regulated. This is what BlackRock is doing.

BlackRock invested in USDC. And so I believe it's inflationary, but it really is, the idea is you can now transact with a digital dollar back and forth that is the value of a dollar. And it turns out that some of these don't, no one has actually said, well, so there's 10 billion of, I'm just making a number, 10 billion USDC tokens, stable coin. When you ask, can you please show me that you have $10 billion in value backing that up? Everyone says, no, that's none of your business. So it's very iffy what's going on there. And Terra, that started the whole thing off. That went bankrupt because people started saying, I want to give you my stable coins, give me US dollars. And it was a run on the bank.

give you my stable coins, give me US dollars. And it was a run on the bank. And they didn't have all the assets to pay everybody the money. And then it just starts to unwind because that's what all these guys are. Bitcoin, it's now 14 years old. It was a great invention. And people saw that and said, what a great idea. I'm going to rip people off by creating these shit coins, make them valuable just by buying and selling, creating more, pop, everyone buys them, I get out, I have $10 million, you're holding the bag. It's a fucking scam. The whole thing, all of that is a scam, including Ethereum. But it's amazing that that scam got them an arena.

It got them to be the number two donor to the Democratic Party. Fantastic. Isn't that amazing? Yes, I love that. I love that it all fell to shit. This is great. Amphetamine-taking kids who were fucking each other in an apartment in the Bahamas. Lovely.

Wild. I know. Wild shit, man. But with adult supervision, because these kids are connected to the SEC, Gary Gensler, high-end people in government. Do you think it was a money laundering thing that just went sideways? Yeah, I think these kids were abused. I think they were abused by literally their parents in Sam Bankman Freed's case because his mom has this huge, what do you call it?

Right, but in her defense, don't you think that she probably believed her son was pulling it off to this extraordinary level of success and he would continue and become the next Elon Musk like maybe she didn't understand it but she did have the super pack where the money was flowing through so oh yeah she was definitely part of benefiting yeah definitely benefiting but I have a feeling that dude would have been rocking that fucking scheme. I don't think he's that smart I think he's pretty dumb actually I think it certainly helped that he was donating money in Greece and all the right palms Which by the way is illegal if it's just bribing people but you can donate

But it was know that you could donate yes, you can you can if you don't money. You're a person Yes, you're a good person cuz you're You're a good person because you're trying to make things right. But if you pay off politicians, you give them a brown bag filled with cash, that's not good. Because then you could influence the way they vote. I would say Ukraine is at the center of all this. The Ukraine, Ukraine is at the center. When I was growing up in Europe, if you wanted drugs, hookers, or someone killed, Ukraine was the place to go.

Oh, boy. And everybody knew it. Oh, no. And in 2014, the United States created a coup. It's universally recognized. You know, Victoria Nuland, fuck the EU. They put a government in place with people that were predetermined as phone calls,

as evidence of this taking place. Victoria Nuland is evidence of this happening. And no doubt our current president with his son was always involved in fucking corruption. Just corruption. And there's so much running through that country. Well, that's a lot of Russian disinformation. And I don't know if you've ever been on Facebook, but that stuff is not tolerated, nor is it easily shared. I know.

And I think that this episode should not air anywhere. This should be deplatformed because Curry's nuts. It's so fascinating that that's a controversial viewpoint. One of the greatest things ever was Candace Owens. The New York Times tweeted to her, what evidence do you have that Ukraine is corrupt? And so she tweets back, your own fucking newspaper. She posts all these stories as recently as 2017 about corruption in Ukraine. And they're like, oh, Jesus.

Because you probably have some woke kid who's working at the New York Times, thinks like, I'm going to dunk on Candace Owens. She is just talking out of her fucking ass. And she has in the past the fact that a local newspaper basically a New York newspaper is the law is the truth of the world is crazy she has in the past said some things that are a little

wacky haven't we all but what she's saying here is like backed up by so many stories like the idea that they would just say that not doing any research themselves like what is she saying she's saying ukraine is corrupt hey guys is that true like if you're fucking 22 you don't know jack shit and you just got out of college you're like hey guys we is that true is ukraine corrupt look fucking google it how long does it take well if you before you tweet her, it takes you three seconds.

But what is the authority? Who is the authority? Is the authority the university where these papers were written? Whatever the authority is, if the fucking newspaper in which you work had stories about it being corrupt, maybe you should search at least your fucking own newspaper's databases before you tweet at her. They have a system. They have a database they can look themselves. Don't even have to Google it.

But I'd love that because it was everyone had this narrative that if you're a good person, you have a Ukraine flag in your bio on Twitter. Oh, yeah. And you support, and no one can say anything bad about them. You can't say that there's like- Anywhere. Not on Fox News either. Not on Fox News them. You can't say that there's like... Anywhere. Not on Fox News either. Not on Fox News either.

You can't say it anywhere. Go look at the map of where the concentration camps were in Ukraine during the Second World War. There were concentration camps in Ukraine too and they're all kind of right on that border with Poland where there's still a lot of, you know, the Azov Brigade.

I mean, but you can't talk about it because it's- Isn't that wild? Like you have to like, when there's a side that you're supposed to be on, everything that that side does, you're supposed to absolve or not think about anything that's negative. That's how you know you're in a cult. Well, but the Russia thing is interesting. I went to Russia, I went to Moscow, the Moscow Music Peace Festival in 1988, which is a whole story by itself, which is hilarious,

because it was really to get Doc McGee out of jail and all this stuff. And this was before the wall came down. And the first thing I noticed there was, what a bunch of shit this country is. They got this, where's the high tech? They had like gray Volkswagen type buses, and that was supposed to be the KGB. And it was like, this is bullshit. I saw, you know, I met the Moscow Hell's Angels. I mean, there was mayhem.

They had hookers everywhere. The whole country was amazing. It was great to be there with Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Maz Yosborne. It was a crazy time. What year was this again? 88. 88. And so, you know, we, so now the, that was the Soviet Union.

And many people, look at most people in Congress now, you know, the ones that are in charge are 80. So they went through the Cuban Missile Crisis. They went, they're traumatized literally by Russia. Russia is going to, my own family, Russia, Russia, it was the Soviet Union. Russia is going to, my own family, Russia, Russia, it was the Soviet Union. So when we kind of struck a deal with the Soviet Union, we said, look, Minsk agreement. This wall, it's coming down. We got to unify East and West Germany.

And we're going to, now, the U.S., by the way, had completely fucked them financially. That's why they had nowhere to go. Just the same thing as we're doing now. We had completely fucked them financially. They couldn't participate in the world financial system. So they had to open it up and they had to stop the insanity. And, of course, ultimately, Moscow, you know, you've got big, you know, luxury brands there. And it really revitalized the country. But the agreement was, which was never documented, the agreement was, we'll never push NATO any closer to your border. And although it was, there's documentation that that was agreed upon, it never made it into the agreement.

And so it was never signed, which is just true. So idiot Russians or Soviet Union dudes, what a fucking moron you are that you didn't get that in writing. Because subsequently, we've had NATO just expand and expand and expand. And at a certain point, and this is the Russian disinformation, Putin now in Russia says, no more. You got to stop. You got to stop. And then when Ukraine, when Zelensky, the television actor who plays the piano with his penis, said, you've seen it, right?

You've seen it? No. Oh, first of all, he played the president of Ukraine on television in a movie. Yes, I know that. But he was also a comedian. And so he has this bit where he would play. You got to, Jamie, you got to find, it's hilarious. It's a funny bit. He's behind the piano and he's playing it with his dick.

So when, there you go. That's the president of Ukraine. Yeah, Zelensky. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. It's limited funny bit. It doesn't last that long. Hold on a second.

This goes on for five minutes. This is bullshit. His dick is not making those noises. Of course not. Oh, duh. Really? This is stupid. I'm annoyed. I'm annoyed.

I'm annoyed as a casual observer. I'm like, that sounds too uniform. Those are fingers. This is a lie. More lies. Propaganda. It's the government. CIA.

It's PSYOP. Absolutely. So when Zelensky said, yeah, we need some nuclear weapons from NATO here on our turf, that's when, of course, this is disinformation. Putin went, no, fuck no, you're not going to do that. And then the corruption is, it's important to keep Ukraine where it is because money's running through that. There's all kinds of cyber shit. What do you think happens now if Russia is winning now?

Yeah. I don't know if they're winning. Where do you get your information? From military people who are in Poland, in Belarus. And you know them? Yeah, personally. Okay. And so they're telling you it's rough.

Yes. I mean, let's just look at some of this, which is, I think, well documented. A lot of this gear doesn't really make it to the Ukrainian front. It gets stolen. It's all over Eastern Europe. Everywhere, these weapons, tank mortars, all kinds of stuff. You mean when we send those fucking, what are those called?

That vehicle that doesn't work that good? Well, not the Bradley fighting vehicle. But if we send those Bradley fighting vehicles, don't we send a dude like Robert Downey Jr. to go over there and explain hey, this is how it fucking works? It's exactly like that. Robert Downey Jr. to go over there and explain, hey, this is how it fucking works. It's exactly like that. Robert Downey Jr. goes there and he sells it to some other dude on the way to the front lines. Hey, I'll sell it to you.

I'll sell it to you. Tony Stark. That's the whole origin story, right? All I know is the message from our government is Putin has to go. So they want a regime change in Russia. Putin has to go. And we're historically bad at killing leaders. Like we tried Castro with the exploding cigar bit and everything.

And we just sucked at it. And Putin is way too isolated. He's guarded, whatever. And, you know, Putin is way too isolated. You know, he's guarded, whatever. But that seems to be the only way that that changes is if Putin is dead or is gone. And I just don't see a way out of it. I mean, it's a fucking travesty.

People are really dying, Russians and Ukrainians. People are dying. It's stupid. And all we can do is hang a flag and put an emoji on our Twitter handle like, oh, I'm for it. You shouldn't be for it. It's disgusting that $800 billion a year goes to the military in our country. Do you know how much shit you could fix for that? I think it's even more than that.

Well, I'm just giving you the top line number. Wasn't it $1.7 trillion? Wasn't that the defense budget? Was that true? Did I remember that correctly, Jamie? Yeah. Remember when there was some what it actually boiled down to? Here's a fun statistic.

Okay. If you made a dollar a minute, right? You'd be balling out of control. Within 12 days you'd be a millionaire. It would take you... Federal spending not defense budget. Okay. 1.7 trillion in government spending bill. Let's just look at what this means.

What is the actual defense budget then? I think it's $800 or $900 billion. Let's just call it a trillion. Just to be easy. Let's call it a trillion. If you made $1 a minute, you would be a millionaire within 12 days. If you made $1 a minute, you would be a billionaire within 31 years. If you made a dollar a minute, you would be a billionaire within 31 years.

If you make a dollar a minute, you'd be a trillionaire within 31,000 years. That's how much fucking money this is. Jesus Christ. That's how much money this is. And you can't, we just hear billions and trillions and we don't think about it. Look at this. Look at this. The legislation includes $772 billion for non-defense discretionary programs and $858 billion in defense funding. I got a great story for you about this. That's a lot of money. So we've never gotten an audit of the Pentagon.

And the last time we were supposed to have a serious audit, Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense. And on September, he comes out and he says, there's two trillion dollars we can't account for. That was September 10th, 2001. It's the last time we ever heard about any of the money being gone. And the conspiracy theory was always that

where the bomb blew up is where they counted the money. In the Pentagon, yeah. No, I've heard that. It's what provides the incentive to survive. But governments can't die. So we need to find other incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve. The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector. But not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track

$2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of different technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible. Pause right there. So that doesn't mean that it's not – that the money is missing. When you say we can't track $2.3 trillion in transactions, that could mean they were legitimate transactions, but they just suck at accounting. Oh. Right? I mean I'm not saying, but they just suck at accounting. Oh. Right? I mean, I'm not saying that's not the case, but I mean, that could be interpreted a bunch of different ways.

So first of all, $2 trillion 20 years ago was a lot of money. It's a pittance for freedom. MSU scholars find $21 trillion. What? What does it say? $21 trillion in unauthorized government spending. That's not that much.

Defense Department to conduct first ever audit. Whoopsies. This is 2017. They've never completed it. Whoopsies. I think we deserve to know where the money went. Let's let it go. They're doing a good job. They're doing fine. They're good people. Ukraine flag! We're good. They They do a good job. They're doing fine. They're good people.

Here's my Ukraine flag. We're good. They're doing a solid job. There's nothing wrong with drag shows for kids either. Bring the kids to strip club too. Bring them to a porno theater. What the fuck? Let them find out early.

Well, I did grow up in Amsterdam and that was a part of life and it was normal. The way you grow up though, that is normal. The thing is, it's like whatever your normal is, is fine. The problem is when you introduce things that aren't normal to whatever the culture is, and you introduce it later and someone's like, hey, that's not normal. Yeah. That's where things get weird.

Like if you grew up in a place that had a red light district, I guess you'd get accustomed to that. It's gone now. Oh, is it gone now? Oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. The coffee shops are going away. Of course, it has to harmonize with the rest of Europe.

It can't be this place where you got legal prostitution. It's never been legal. It was, what is the word I'm looking for? Accepted? Tolerated? Yeah, tolerated. Very similar to like Austin. Oh, you know, if you get caught with some weed. Same thing with weed and also with mushrooms, right? Like mushrooms were tolerated. similar to like austin said oh you know if you get caught that was the same thing with weed and also with mushrooms right like mushrooms all of that tolerated all of that now

the netherlands now is without a doubt a narco state and the crime capital of the european union i mean all the drugs flow through rotterdam all of it every single ecstasy pill is manufactured in the netherlands they invented that yeah. Oh, and there's people getting killed left and right. There's gangs fighting. There's lawyers, journalists getting killed on the street, broad daylight. Jesus. Just because they're trying to,

they call it the macro mafia, which is mainly Moroccans. You know, it used to be you could kill someone for 5,000 euros. Now it's 50. You can get anyone to drive by in a scooter and kill somebody. It's fucked up. And people pretend it's not happening. Bomb-style killing shocked Netherlands into fighting dissent into narco state.

Murder, corruption, and macro mafia prompt Dutch to set up war chests to tackle wave of organized crime sweeping nation. And this is in the guardian and this is from it must be true yeah from july it's russian disinformation holy shit man yeah it's wild oh yeah it's horrible and that's what happens when you make drugs illegal right it's but even if drugs were legal who's running them well i think the problem is the netherlands really you know, they almost have no, the farmers are going away now. So they were a big agricultural community. But what are they doing? Tell me about that. Explain these weird carbon laws that they're

passing. It's the nitrogen. They say nitrogen is, there's too much nitrogen in the soil, and that is hurting a certain type of frog. I kid you not. That's the excuse, but that's not really what's going on. What is going on? The Netherlands, they have a lot of food technology. There's an 8 billion euro a year business with Royal DSM. Used to be a chemical company. They switched into the number one manufacturer of taste and texture products. So your fake meat, your fake chicken,

your fake everything will taste and the texture will be just delicious because of that company. And so the thing they need to do is get rid of as much, get rid of the cows, get rid of the cattle, get rid of the animals, because that's going to be like one big bedroom, the Tri-Cities Project. And if you've ever heard of that, it'll be the Netherlands, Belgium, I think part of Germany. And that's where people will live in these 15-minute cities. You're just going to be a body that is useful for money, like we talked earlier. Like as long as you have people, as long as you have people who are around who can keep going, then you have a business. And the business is just the people. It's money.

It's all about money. And so they're proactively trying to get rid of these farmers because they're the competition. Yeah, it's a done deal. I mean, it's fucking over. It's done. And this is a United Nations Codex Alimentarius. This has been going on for 50 years.

How many of the farmers have they gotten rid of? Well, they're just starting, but they're going to get rid of every single one of them. And they're paying them off. So farmers are saying, all right, fuck it. I'll take the two million, whatever. They're giving up. I mean, the Dutch, I love the Dutch and I grew up there.

So very important to me. But just like they capitulated against the Germans within 24 hours, they are all the farmer protests like, yeah, fuck yeah. Farmers, yeah, fuck yeah. We're all for the farmers. Hang the flag upside down. But then after a week, the Dutch are like, hey, man, I can't get to work. I can't go to the supermarket. Could you stop the fucking protest already?

See, that's the Dutch. And not everybody, of course. So they're going to give up. It's their culture. It's just what it is. They're not like America. We still have people who will fight. We're also armed.

That helps. That is a big factor. Yeah. It's the factor. I think it's the number one factor that we have. There's not much difference between us and Australians other than that. That? Yeah.

We would be so toast. We would be so toast. Of course, you know, we'd all go along with it. You have to. What are you going to do? And also, you know, like the Stanford prison experiment it You have to What are you gonna do? And also the You know Like the Stanford prison experiment

Like the people that are Enforcing it Oh you mean with the electroshocks? Those Yeah those Those people would be your Your brothers and sisters Yeah would be shocking you

Shocking you Yeah It's just A normal thing that people do I would not shock you Joe Rogan I wouldn't shock you either I would be like Fuck you can kill me

I'm not gonna shock Joe Rogan Have you seen the city The city of the Future from America? What is that? It's the same thing. It's the 15-minute city. Hey, we finally got a flying car. But Oxford... Why is there a biplane flying over there?

Look at that. That's from World War II. That's Adam still in the old school shit. Fuck you, man. I got a flip phone. Oxford has already implemented a 15-minute city. Did you know that? Oxford, UK is a 15-minute city. I heard about that, that they're trying to use climate change as a reason to keep people connected to these very small areas. Climate change is the excuse for everything. It's the reason why you've got to eat fake meat.

It's the reason why you can't fly. It's wild, right? Flying will be something only for the rich Beef will be only something for the rich all this shit is is happening is really hot. I'm 11 months ahead Joe Yeah, you're always living. We talked about this before. I don't think everything's gonna go to shit in 11 months, but it's happening Yeah, is there any way to stop it though, or is this just inevitable? It's just what happens before we get hit with a fucking asteroid? Well, here comes Adam's answer.

Call. Pray. Pray to God. I don't know any other answer. I don't know any other answer. Aliens. Possible. How much of what you, all this UAP stuff, how much do you buy into it?

It's really weird because it makes me wonder. You know what pisses me off? What pisses you off? All the video is always fucking grainy. Give me a joke. We got 4K in my fucking phone. Show me a shot of that TikTok, man. I want to see that thing.

Yeah, they didn't have good video of that, but that's because their video is designed for warfare. Their video is not designed to look pretty. They can see your dick from outer space. No problem. True, but- No problem. The Tic Tac thing was 2004. It was quite a while ago.

What's that? What? I was confirming that, too. What? I thought that was a long time ago. Yeah, Tic Tac was 2004. Oh, really? Yeah, Commander David Fravor.

We had him on to talk about it. I fully believe him, but I don't know what he saw. He very well could have seen something that the government was working on. And it kind of makes sense because it's all taking place off the coast of San Diego, which is where all the military bases are. And if you're just a guy who's, I mean, not just a guy, obviously. He's like a very highly decorated fighter pilot, and it's an extraordinary accomplishment to become a person that's allowed to fly

one of those fucking billion-dollar jets, whatever it costs. But you still don't get to know about this shit that we're making that can, like, transverse through fucking dimensions and disappear and reappear. And, you know, we're working on some gravity propulsion system that defies all known physics.

I can't tell you about it, buddy. Like, I don't know who gets to know those kind of things. Or I'm not, I don't know enough whether or not that's even possible to be true. Because if you talk to like the greatest physicists, only they would be able to tell you what the current state of physics are. what the current state of physics are, like the propulsions experts and the people that do understand at least the concept of a gravity drive. Like how close are we? And all the only people that know are the people that speak that fucking language. I mean, it's literally like if you went somewhere and nobody spoke English, but you and some guy speaking in English and you're like, Oh no, no, that's not what he's saying. He's saying we got to go this way because the fucking building's on fire.

I think the Antarctic is really where the action is. I'm kind of of the mindset that when we brought all the Germans over, Operation Paperclip, you know, it's where Von Braun and everyone came over. I can easily believe that they were flying saucers in the Antarctic, that they had a city beneath the ice. You know, you can't go there anymore. You're not allowed to go there at all. You can go there to do stand-up. Guys are doing shows there. There is a no-go zone.

There's an area of Antarctica where you can't go to. There's patrols and stuff, and you can't really go there. But how much of that is because they don't want you to fucking die up there and have to go Retrieve you know zero no fuck that you think they love sorry so you think it's UFOs no well I don't know but I think that there were people there who had this technology And you know at the it's also we got the we had the technology to go to the moon apparently You know what Bob Lazar we don't have that anymore. Do you know what Bob Lazar says about the UFOs? Bob Lazar. Oh, Bob Lazar, no.

You know what he says about one of them they got from an archaeological dig. Oh. When he was talking about back engineering these crafts, he says like one of them was really old and they think they got it from an archaeological dig. That was the discussion. I mean, it would be kind of crazy for me not to believe, A, that there's a lot out there in the universe and there has to be more than just us. believe a that there's a lot out there in the universe and there has to be more than just us it's also crazy to not you know to just discount that we've been bullshitted for the all of our lives and there's they got a lot of cool shit going on and we just could be a bunch of peons i mean it wouldn't surprise me it wouldn't surprise me either but that's the one that's so

it doesn't bother me either it doesn't bother. That one pulls me in more than any other story. Yeah. Is the story of like the government has a crashed UFO that they're examining. I believe in the firmament, baby. The firmament. Oh, that's hilarious. I find that so much more fascinating than any other conspiracy because it's got this one element and that's the size of the universe.

That one element that makes it, of course there's other life out there. What are they like? And are they here? And have they been here? And if they were here all the time, how much would they let themselves be known? How much would they be like, let's just keep an eye on these fucks in case they decide to blow themselves up. Let's just stop that from happening and just observe and let them work it out

because the only way they're going to really evolve is to sort out their differences and figure things out correctly and move to the next stage of existence. But they're not quite there yet, so let's just hover. Settle down, guys. Yeah, possible. Maybe. Yeah. You don't think so?

What I like is the fact that, what was his story, the missile silos, they wouldn't open and the saucers were hovering over them and it wouldn't happen. Call it what you want, but it makes me feel good. Yeah, they make me feel good. Nukes just won't work, whatever it is. These guys, well, the story is that UFO folklore involves Fat Man and Little Boy. Yeah. Because UFO folklore is that after they dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Everything ended. Then you started seeing all these UFOs.

Then it became much more prevalent. And the idea was like, okay, they've hit this new milestone. We've got to keep an eye on these wacky fucks. So everything post-detonation of the atomic bombs, whatever atomic, the Trinity experiment, all the different atomic bombs, there's a big uptick apparently, supposedly, in UFO sightings. Well, they should do something

because it's getting a little heated out there i mean where are they going to drop in and say enough already i think one of the things that you would want out of a culture is for them to figure it out for themselves of course and i think that that's what you want from your children and uh i think that's what uh i would want if I was observing another culture. I would want them to figure it out for themselves. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Because I think over time.

I know that you like this. I know you like this. Well, over time, if you look at what we are like now as opposed to what we were like 1,000 years ago, people are way less violent. It's way safer. It's better. We're more educated. We understand things more. We're more compassionate. We're more open-minded. And that continues to move forward. And as long as it's going in that correct direction, then you have to be really careful of power and evil people.

That's not going to kill us. The connection to the internet, us and the internet becoming one, to kill us. The connection to the internet, us and the internet becoming one, the singularity, the AI singularity that seems just like it's a given at this point where we'll be even connected even tighter to the network. And a lot of people seem to like the idea. We already like our watches monitoring us and telling us what to do and when to get up and when to sit and when to run and how fast to cycle. That is, in my mind, the true danger. Everything else doesn't matter. We will kill ourselves that way before anything else does. I'm quite convinced of that.

It's possible or it's possible we nuke ourselves into the Stone Age before we get a chance. That would suck. That would suck. That would suck. I'd love to be the guy, you know, that sees all the zombies around him. That's kind of cool. You're like, oh, you know. I think suck. That would suck. I'd love to be the guy that sees all the zombies around him. That's kind of cool. You're like, oh, you know. I think we become a new thing.

That's what I think. I think just like we used to be some sort of a primitive hominid, I think we've become some sort of a cyborg. And I think that's inevitable. I think we're looking at life in a very biological way. Like we're only looking at life as being like tissues and blood and cells. And I think we're going to get to a time in our lifetime where we combine with technology to the point where we don't think about life that way anymore. And we think about artificial life as being life.

And that's going to get weird as fuck. Because if a trans woman can go into the girl's bathroom. For a tampon. Yeah. They could if they want. Yeah. But if you're okay with that, are you okay with the next thing, which would be an artificial person? An artificial person being recognized as a person

like a person that's created like if you're if you're like it's everybody wants to be open-minded and i want to be open-minded like i'm for gay marriage i'm for trans rights i'm for everybody to be equal but then if you start making people are those people equal Like if you start making artificial people Are the what is that like like what if it's an artificial? Adult human that you just made like and they talk and they hang out does that get to vote? Does that I does that does it get to use the adult bathroom? It's only been alive a day Like where do you let it out there and count on its programming? Are we going to come to a point in time where our new dilemma is not do you get to use the bathroom with the gender that you associate with?

Or whether or not biological people are people, the only people. Or whether these artificial people are people, the only people, or whether like these artificial people are people too. If we get to the point where biological people accept artificial people, they're people too. Those people are going to run us because they're going to be way smarter. They're going to be able to reprogram themselves. But will we be of any use to them? It's not use. If they don't have our instincts,

all of our instincts are survival instincts. Our instincts are to get away from predators and avoid neighboring tribes and to learn and grow and figure things out. But if they're artificial, they don't have any instincts. Like what they are is what they are. They've been created, right?

So there's no reason for them to have this built-in programming to avoid predators and darkness and be afraid of heights all that shit's out now they can program themselves and make themselves the most sophisticated form of whatever software can run on whatever hardware is available and then they'll just improve that hardware and then you have gods and you have gods like within a matter of a couple of years. I think we should have stopped this shit

when the fleshlight came out. That should have been the last human technology integration ever. We should have stopped there. We're going to have artificial people that are enhanced. We're going to have people that are enhanced with technology that makes them cyborgs. And they're going to have all the human instincts and greed and emotions and lust

connected to godlike powers. I love you, Joe Rogan, because whenever we're done with the talk, you always go here, and I love it. I know that we're almost done. We're almost done. I think that's going to happen. Take it to the ultimate.

It will take a while, though. I don't think it's going to take that long. Let's party. Let's have a good time. Let's love each other in the meantime. We're the last of the Mohicans, buddy. We're the last of the people that grew up with no internet. We grew up with cable television being a novelty.

We grew up with fucking answer machines being crazy. We grew up with call waiting and call forwarding and caller ID. Remember you have that little thing to beep into the phone to retrieve your messages? Oh, my goodness. I had a beeper. I love those. I had a beeper. Beepers were amazing. Beepers were the love those i had a beeper beepers were amazing

beepers were the shit not even a beeper it's just i think you called your your own number the answering machine you you you gave it the tones and it would rewind the tape right cassette that's right it would start to play that's right you would do it through the tone of your your your thing yeah and then i had a beeper too i had one of those for a little while earlier cell phone this this fucking natural course of progression is unstoppable. And the way people are addicted to TikTok, that ain't shit. That ain't shit. If you want to know.

Compared to something that gets into your actual mind itself. I think we've discussed it before. There's a book or a manuscript called Industrial Society and Its Future. And it predicted this entirely and where we're going and how this is going to end. And the reason why the author of that document is in jail is because he was the professor known as the Unabomber. And he killed people.

He was so convinced that what he was saying was right, that he killed people, blew them up, so that the New York Times and the Washington Post would publish his manuscript, which they did. Yeah. And if you read that, it's on the internet. It's in the library. It's not an illegal book or manuscript.

It's very interesting because he predicts it with people who are over-socialized and under-educated. Hello. Yep. Hello. That's where we are right now. But you know he was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. Oh, yeah. He totally got MK altered.

Beautiful. MK altered the shit out of that dude. Which also turns out to be true. Yeah. Also turns out to be true. Jolly West. Yeah. I recommend it every couple of months. I'm going to recommend it again. It's called Chaos by Tom O'Neill. It's an amazing book. It's so

good because no one's going to do what Tom did where he spent 20 years working on one book. It's an amazing book. It's so good because no one's going to do what Tom did where he spent 20 years working on one book. It's so thoroughly researched. It's so crazy that the CIA was doing LSD studies on people. They were just fucking with people. And where do you think they are now with what they're doing? They don't do that anymore. Oh, no.

Okay. That's good. Shut the fuck up. What are you, a communist? I am. You're like a Dutch person. Yeah. I don't care. I'm not really an American.

Like fucking Amsterdam or some shit. It's, yeah, of course they do. I would do it. If I was the CIA, I'd be like, what, we're going to let Russia do that to their people and China do that to their people? We're not going to do a little monitoring. We're not going to do a little fucking experimentation, especially in the 60s. Like, what does acid do?

Well, why don't we ask Jolly West to find out for us? I mean, that's the only way you find out what acid does. What, the Russians are going to have the acid and we don't have the acid? What if the acid's the fucking secret? You know, there's the hill country where I live, Fredericksburg. There's a vape shop, Vapelicious, and Kathy and Jerry run it. And it's basically a place where everyone comes together, vapes, and we talk about conspiracies. Sounds like my kind of place.

These are farmers. These are truck drivers. It's beautiful. And so the latest thing is, I'm bringing it to you straight from the front lines, Joe. Oh, boy. 11 months ahead, always. Clones. Clones.

Trump is a clone. He's not the real Trump anymore. Everyone's a clone. Trump is a clone. He's not the real Trump anymore. Everyone's a clone. If you clone Trump, wouldn't Trump insist on being cloned to look like Giga Chad? Wouldn't he look at Elon Musk? Like right there. I don't think he would have any say in the matter. If I was going to get cloned, I was like, come on, don't make me look like the same old fat dude.

Come on. You're a beautiful man. But I'm saying, no, I'm saying if I was Trump. Oh, yeah, okay. I'd be like, come on, don't make me fucking same old fat dude. Come on. You're a beautiful man, Joe Rogan. But I'm saying, no, I'm saying if I was Trump. Oh, yeah, okay. I'd be like, come on, let's tighten this up a little. Now he probably thinks he's really a beautiful man. He doesn't think he needs to do any of that. Kanye West calls Twitter chief Elon Musk a half Chinese clone engineered like Obama.

Boom, boom. Musk says he's taking West's comment as a compliment. That's great. That's great. That's great. Well, there you go. You let him back on Twitter. Jesus Christ. Enough already.

Well, just, yeah, he's not right. But, duh. Obviously. Duh. But there's a lot of history between American Jews and American descendants of slavery. There's a lot of history there that, you know, I've spoken to Mo, Mo Fax, I do the podcast with, and, you know, there's stuff that you and I don't know,

haven't been exposed to when it comes to black Americans versus Jewish Americans, you know, coming from kind of the same place at the same time, being outcasts and, yous and having a difficult time integrating. So it's old, old, old shit that is never discussed. And if only they could do that. And so I think that's what Kanye is trying to do. He's trying to say we need a conversation about the history of these two tribes.

Tribes, all Americans, but tribes, because we're all immigrants in one way or the other. And that's not happening. I think that's what Kanye is trying to do. And it's above my pay grade, but there's something there that he should be able to speak. But he, I mean, oh, man, it's just, that's not how the world works, bro.

If you just go everywhere and, you know, people also get tired of it, you know. Well, you shouldn't want to, I mean, if you have a person like that speaking, you can always block them. You don't have to listen to anything they say. I agree with you. You also don't have to read it. Correct. I'm with you.

There's a thing, though, when a person is like that, that I think there's a great value in pushing back against him. is like that, that I think there's a great value in pushing back against him. And if he was a person that could learn from that, maybe there'd be a great value of him reading some of the pushback against him and altering the way he thinks. Because we're essentially, we're programmed by life and our decisions and our interpretations of things. And I think part of that is like when you put stuff out there and people really fucking severely disagree with what you're saying, you should experience that. Yeah.

You should learn from that. I agree. And you can if you ban a guy. No, I completely agree with you, but there's money involved. The problem is there's a lot of dopes, and you can be a charismatic person with a stupid opinion, and then dopes go, I'm blind fucking his side. And then you got a problem. But the answer to that problem is never to just ban. No, I mean completely.

Silence, get rid of them, remove them from the platform. Because they've come up with some fucking egregious reasons to remove people from social media platforms. Like really fucked up reasons. And they're totally ideological. But ultimately it's all about money and advertising. And the advertisers run away, so we have to control that. And it became the way they run business.

It just became that. It evolved. It evolved. It is about that. That's a factor for sure. Because Twitter. But it's also, it's a very like left-leaning bias. There's a very left-leaning bias.

Sure. Law of tech. And that's a problem because that reinforces the right to be even more radical in the face of this unfair advantage that the other side has. Now, tech are a bunch of whores because if you'll remember. What are you saying? At a certain point in the, I would say, was it? No, it was in the 2000s. All the Silicon Valley CEOs were handing out Atlas shrugs to their to their employees

Oh, yeah, man. Yeah objectivism. I ran, you know, fuck it You know, it was very right-wing very Republican Peter Thiel still stayed that way, but most of the other ones went Well once they got so much money and then there's like there's this pressure for altruism this pressure for social justice and you're hiring kids right out of universities and they shape the culture of the place because they're the majority it's all kind of ways it's all captured yeah it's all been captured yeah it is yeah well when what's that guy Yuri Beton off do you know the old Soviet Union guy that yeah he's how we did a lot of cases sister 30 years ago. They started that.

Yeah. The seeds were planted. Seems like it could be possibly true. There's something to that. It's way too on the nose for him to do that in 1980. Something like that. Was it four, I think it was? When was that Yuri, how do you say his name?

Yuri Betonov? Betonov. It's not coming up? You want me to send it to you? It was only 10 years after- I was talking about, but that name isn't coming up. Oh, okay. I'll send it to you.

I saved that shit up my phone. It was only 10 years after Leonard Nimoy, Dr. Spock, did a whole special on how climate change was going to take us into a new ice age. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. We talked about that the other day. Oopsie. Oopsie.

That was really interesting. Oopsie. But that's the real fear. The real fear is a fear. I'm more afraid of cold. Yeah. Cold is goddamn terrifying. That'll kill you.

That'll kill you. That'll kill you. That's the thing that kills you quicker than anything. When nothing grows and everyone's fucked, it's not good. Oh, here he is. I think it's going. You found it, Jamie? There you go.

That's him. I'm sorry. I said his name wrong. Bezmenov. Bezmenov. I just guessed. What did it. I'm sorry. I said his name wrong. Bezmenov. Bezmenov. I just guessed. What did I say? Betonov?

Sounded good. Close enough, brother. This gentleman was in 1980 what? What does it say? It doesn't say. 29 years ago. It looks pretty shitty, so it must be 89. Yeah.

Well, I think it's somewhere in the 80s. But either way, watch it on YouTube and go, holy shit. It's exactly what it looks like. It's exactly what it looks like today, whether it's a coincidence. I mean, if that guy was a betting analyst, I would go to him for all my bets. I'd be like, dude, how are you so accurate? The CIA also did the same thing to Europe. They had all these cultural people and artists and beatniks and they went over to Europe, all CIA assets, to get everyone more Americanized.

Come to our side. Don't go to the East. Stay with us. Stay with us. Yeah. And they were integrated everywhere. I mean, just music, theater, everything. And that's admitted now, documented.

Yeah, for sure. So this is just the way of the world. It's the way of the world. It's the way of the world. You are the exception, which is very, very exceptional. What you are doing is, you know, seemingly you're not a puppet for Putin or a shill for the CIA. It's very exceptional what you do. You are a, dare I say it, a national treasure. Oh, well, that's all sweet of you.

Yeah, I mean that. Listen, you're the podfather. You're the fucking dude who originated this thing. You really did. You're the first ever podcaster. You're fucking patient zero. Invented the idea. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And where that came from, I don't know. It's just I was- You were there. It was like I saw the iPod. I saw what Dave Weiner was doing. I said, let's put this together. And boom, it was podcasting. And then I saw the iPod. I saw what Dave Weiner was doing. I said, let's put this together and boom

It was podcasting and then I just started podcasting So the developer software developers would come and make app or applications. What year was this again? 2004 I think Wow. Yeah, so it's five years later when I did my first podcast What but I had done a couple of people's before I did mine like I did Adam Carolla's I remember Adam Carollo's. I remember Adam Carollo went to podcasting from the radio after he got kicked off the radio. Yeah. He got kicked off and the next day he... And that was great. And that was before I did my podcast. I remember going to his studio going,

oh, this is crazy. He's got like a radio studio. He set up a radio studio. He could just do the radio on the internet. And then Tom Green had the best setup. Tom Green had a, he basically did like a Tonight Show setup in his living room. What's interesting is it's all video. And really podcasting to me is still audio. And it's very expensive. The problem with video is it's very expensive to do unless it's free on YouTube. Right. Which is why YouTube tries to always capture. We're podcasters here, podcasters here.

But honestly, I listen to JRE. I just don't have the time in my life to be watching. Yeah, I listen to most podcasts as well. I don't really sit down and watch a lot of them. Right. Most of them I get from, but I occasionally get little clips off of YouTube. I get those from people. But yeah, I listen to most shit.

I listen to it when I'm driving around. Yeah, exactly. Or when I'm at the gym. Yeah, or doing the dishes. Yeah, yeah. Something where shit when I'm driving around. Yeah, exactly. Or when I'm at the gym. Yeah, or doing the dishes. Yeah, something where you're just mindless. Yeah, just kind of fucking around. Absolutely. Well, you invented this, buddy.

You did. Well, you're being way too kind. I mean, Dave Weiner, of course, was a part of it, and it happened. I think our genius was we didn't try to patent it or to copyright it or just let it be what it is. And we were always – we'll be free believers in the open web, the open internet, and stay away from anything that's centralized. What's pretty incredible is that Apple never monetized it. If you really stop and think about that, it's kind of extraordinary. And they're doing it now.

Now they are. Are they? When did they start doing that? Well, they basically moved towards subscriptions? When did they start doing that? Well, they basically moved towards subscriptions. When did this start happening? Around the time that we launched Value for Value streaming payments and podcasting

2.0. How long ago? Two years ago. Two years ago. Well, so I was already at Spotify and they started a subscription thing. I gotta pee again. I'm squirming over here. I have to pee so bad. Oh, I don't have to pee. So why don't you go pee?

Okay. I'll wait and then we'll wrap it up. I drank too much water. Peed so hard, dude. Yeah. This is the problem. I changed one of the ways that I work out over the last few weeks. I extended my rest periods in between sets.

Yeah. So I can get more work. I extended my rest periods in between sets so I can get more work. So it's not as good in terms of conditioning, but it's better in terms of the amount of effort. You could do more repetitions if you give yourself like 10 minutes to rest in between sets than you can if you do five. Like I get fully recovered. So I do a hard set, I get fully recovered, and then I do another one. But it takes a long-ass time to do a workout that way, and I'm drinking a lot of water.

Can I ask you a question? With all the things you do, when do you actually read and prepare for these chats that you have? I mean, you're on the road, you're doing shows, you've got all the stuff going on, you're working here, whatever, four or five times a week. Do you sit at home? I'm just curious, when do you read stuff? Most of my stuff I do at night. Preparations, I would call it. Most stuff I do, well, if I'm preparing for a podcast, it's generally a subject I'm really interested in.

So I've probably looked at it already. But then if I have someone on the podcast that has something very specific to talk about, I'll oftentimes read their book. Or I'll listen to the audio book more likely. Very rarely I'm sitting down reading. I'll read things online. I read people's sub stacks online. I read a bunch of things online. And occasionally I'll sit, you know, just read a book.

But most of the time I'm getting my information from audio books. It just seems like it's a better way to absorb it. And it takes care of all this time in between driving to stuff I just listen you do that when you're working out can you also listen to audiobook I can I can but it really depends on how much attention I need to give to the subject matter mm-hmm because like one of those fine I was reading Robert Kennedy juniors the real Anthony Fauci and it was distracting me so much while I was working out. I had to stop reading.

Fuck, fuck, I can't believe it. I was listening to it while I was working out, and I was like, this is so fucking crazy. Yeah. We know him from the AIDS time. He and Burks and Redfield, they were all there with the AZT and the HIV of the 80s and 90s. Well, that's in the book. I know. Yeah. But know. Yeah.

But I remember it. I did charities with him and, well, Elton John Charity or something like that. And they would always be there, Fauci, Burks, Redfield. And friends of mine died, but I think they died from AZT. Well, that's the assertion of the book. And it's not an unpopular assertion. It's not that a lot of people agree with that. That book is horrible to work out to.

It's so disturbing. It's not uplifting. It was a tough read. It was a tough read, yeah. Better off working out to music or I like watching fights. I put fights on in the background. That's a good way to get motivated. Interesting.

Yeah. Yeah Yeah, like especially fights that I've already seen so I don't have to like see you don't have to get invested You can just yeah, I know what happened, but it's just like when fights are playing in the background It's like it's good background noise. It's exciting interesting. I could watch it in between sets You know you well, you know, it's it's not for me Yeah sets you know well you know it's it's not for me yeah the thing about uh the the fauci book is that it's so it's such a bummer that it's hard to pay attention to anything else yeah and i don't think that's what a workout's for what a workout for me is for like a purging of all the stress and anxiety and thinking and just have some fun get out, and then when it's out,

you'll be able to interface with reality better. But if you're interfacing with reality like that book while you're working out, that book's a bummer. I just walk three times a day with no music, no podcast, nothing, just my dog. Just walk. That's nice, too. Oh, it's so good.

Rain, shine, whatever, just walk. It's hard to avoid stimulation. Everybody wants to be stimulated all the time, but it really is good for you to not be stimulated constantly. I'd say so. Yeah. It's good to sometimes just be alone with yourself. That's one of the things that people love about running with no music, right?

You're just out there huffing. Yeah. You get into a meditative state. You get into a trance. Your body starts producing all those endorphins, and you're out there huffing. You get into a meditative state, you get into a trance, your body starts producing all those endorphins and you're out there huffing it and you just fucking feel better when it's over. You're cleansing. And we don't do that that much. No. And in fact, I guess the pandemic and the lockdowns really took a lot of that away from people and they've been conditioned to, you know, for the next phase. I mean, clearly, it's a plan of some sorts.

Do you think it's a plan or is it a natural course of progression when it comes to people and technology? That this is also just you could see it in all sorts of other ecosystems and other different kinds of life that you study. There's there's this might be just a part of life. I think it's certainly being taken advantage of. So people are- For sure. But isn't that probably like a factor of the system itself? Like it's just-

It's just what it is. Yeah. The industrial society in its future. It is the technology that is taking us this. We have tailbones, Joe. You know, we're not prepared for this. Our brains, that went real fast. You got to admit, it went really fast.

Real fast. With the cell phone came. Real fast. And before you knew it, remember when you couldn't even cash a check from another bank? Yeah. You know, now we have debit cards. I do remember that. Now we've got Apple Pay.

In our lifetime, this is a lot of advancement. It's happened so quick. And we kind of the last ones who know what it was like. My daughter's 32. And we kind of the last ones who know what it was like. My daughter's 32, and she remembers a lot of the analog age, and so she's still okay. But anything that's grown up digital, yeah, it's a new breed for sure. It's a new breed of human.

But it's being taken advantage of. It's being taken advantage of with propaganda. All humans are taken advantage of all across the board. It's so easy now with the propaganda. Walked in the mall. Just see what's going on. You'll see the kids in their stroller, two years old, with an iPad. Fuck you, parents. This is not a good idea.

It's really dumb. But it's inevitable. I'd like to leave on a high note. I don't think there's any way of avoiding this integration between people and technology I gave you my answer earlier that's right help me Jesus help me Jesus help me Jesus not you might be right if we well it would be the only way out for the last of us biologics yeah we might be the last biologics we'll love each other and we'll have understanding for each other yeah they won't even have

emotions don'll give up on emotions. No. Emotions just make you cry, bro. You don't want to cry. Be happy all the time. Be happy all the time. If you could just never be depressed and be constantly in a state of elevated serotonin

and dopamine, would you take it? Or would you want to be depressed? No. Would you want to stay organic? I would be organic. I would definitely be organic. In five years, would you want to be depressed? No. Would you want to stay organic? I would be organic. That's going to be a good question. I would definitely be organic. In five years, that's going to be the big question. Five years? Yeah.

Wow, that's a pretty short time frame. I think in five years, someone's going to come up with something. Someone's going to come up with something. I mean, they're going to be able to interact. Maybe it'll just something you wear. Maybe you don't even have to fucking put it inside your head yet. Maybe. Yeah.

Just something that uses a frequency that affects the way you think basically soma in a brave new world if you read that it's soma that's exactly what i mean yeah will people go for that absolutely but right now we as humans the organic humans have a responsibility to call this shit out and say hey hold on a second this is where it will go with your kid if you treat it like this and you give it this upbringing. So, you know, sports, all kinds of stuff you can do with your kid that cannot involve technology. Kick a ball, anything. Do anything. Ride a horse. I don't know.

Do some shit. We're the last of the Mohicans, Adam Curry. Go hunt some deer with a bow. Everybody else is going to be completely connected. And within 50 years, there'll be no one left. Everyone's going to be a computer. We're all going to be intertwined into some weird network that's wireless. All minds connected.

And you have to opt in. What are you going to do, walk around naked? Put some clothes on. Everybody has clothes on. What are you going to do, walk around with no wire in your head? Everybody has a wire, Adam. Get that wire. The wire is so much better than not having the wire,

and you protect others. Oh, yes. That's right. You get a wire. And it's good for you, Crane. It's good for you, Crane. It's. If you get a wire. And it's good for Ukraine. You protect others. It's good for Ukraine. It's good for Ukraine.

It's good for transgender librarians in Ukraine. Yes, yes, yes. Nuke the gay whales. We specifically support. We have to drill for trans people. We have to drill oil for gay rights. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen. Gay people are disproportionately affected by lube prices. Yeah. We have to drill oil for gay rights. You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen. Gay people are disproportionately affected by lube prices.

We have to drill oil for queer people. What's crazier, that or Jesus is real? I don't know. It's a toss-up, brother. It's a toss-up. Maybe Jesus was real. I'm willing to think that maybe Jesus was real. It's just like that.

He was the son of God. Like, I need some evidence. I need a little bit of evidence. I will send you Evidence Demands a Verdict. It's a like that. He was the son of God. Like, I need some evidence. I need a little bit of evidence. I will send you Evidence Demands a Verdict. It's a great book. What does it say? It's an outline of all. It really proves with empirical evidence based upon writing and artifacts, et cetera, that this happened.

But how can they? How can you possibly prove? You can never get to the end. Of course not. Right. You can never prove. You can prove that people believed it. But how could you prove that

someone was actually the Son of God? Or are we all? Of course we're all God. Of course he was. We're 100% God. So if he was one of us, then he was the Son of God because we're all children of God. I'm with that. Maybe that's the answer.

Maybe it's a puzzle. Maybe it's a puzzle. Maybe it's a puzzle. Look, all the writings, all the gospel, it's not all one language. It's a whole bunch of different versions of it. It's meant to be interpreted by us, by humans. That's my opinion. I think it would be amazing to be able to put yourself

in the mindset of someone who lived, you know, 2000 BC and read it in ancient Hebrew. Do you imagine what that experience is like if you could read it in that language that's both mathematical and also it's like letters double as numbers and each word has a numerical value to it? Like That must have been an amazing time. Well, look at the pyramids. It's all the same time. Look at the pyramids, man. That's some crazy-ass shit, the pyramids.

So there was something going on. Something was going on. Maybe they were much more advanced than we are right now. Maybe we're just the dumb shits that are left over after Noah's Ark. I don't know. Yeah, well, there's a lot. I don't know if you ever pay attention to the Randall Carlson, Graham Hancock podcast that I do about that. No.

It's all about the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. Younger Dryas Impact Theory is like 12,800 years ago, Earth was pelted. And most likely what you're looking at with a lot of these ancient structures, And that most likely what you're looking at with a lot of these ancient structures, especially the ones that they've dated, the confounding ones that they've dated that are 12,000 plus years old, which is when we're supposed to be hunter-gatherers, doesn't make any sense. And that most likely the Younger Dryas impact theory is what happened, that there was a bunch of comets collided with Earth. And it didn't just happen once. It probably happened multiple times and knocked us back into the fucking stone age and there's real evidence in the form of iridium and nano diamonds that show impact and they think that this was probably what ended a lot of these advanced

civilizations that have these incredible structures and that what we're what we are is the people that rebuilt we're the people that rebuilt civilization, but we want to think that we're the first. Oh, 6,000 years ago in Babylon. Maybe 6,000 years ago in Babylon, they're rediscovering civilization. Could be. Because they were barbarians for years,

like the only people that survived. I mean, you got to imagine if something like, you know, giant chunks of rock slammed into the earth over and over again. The one that they found in Australia, they know that that was only 5000 years ago. That one that that slammed in and caused all these incredible fucking destructive waves that just washed over the landscape. I mean, that happens all the time in terms of the history of the Earth. Sure. The giant one in Antarctica that they've discovered.

Like, we've been hit over and over and over again, and that's... But we don't have to worry, because NASA now knows how to push them out of orbit. Oh, for sure. We'll be safe. They're going to push us right back into us. We'll be safe.

Whoops, we fucked up, and it wasn't going to hit us, but now it is. And then, you know, Elon's going to go up there and mine it for lithium or iridium or whatever we need in our cell phones. Oh, yeah. Imagine the first miners we sent off to space. I mean, that's what Alien was about, right? Yes.

They were miners. But also the Bruce Willis movie. What was that? That's Armageddon. Armageddon. That's Armageddon. That was to prevent it, though, right? No, they were mining and then they had to blow it up so that it wouldn't crash into Earth.

But Alien was about miners that were sent out in deep sleep. I was too distracted by, what's her name again? Simone Weaver. Holy crap. She was hot back then. She was fantastic. She was hot back then. She's still pretty good.

Holding it together. Yeah. Yeah. In the Avatar movies. Yeah. That's the future. They're going to turn her into a giant blue lady. Here we go. And you're going to forget her into a giant blue lady. Here we go.

And you're going to forget all about her being a person. We'll no longer have their career. Everyone will just be hot. It'll be so boring. She's hot. Everyone's hot. No one has flaws. No one has little things that are weird.

That is truly the part of the human condition. Well, that's what aliens are all about, right? Why are they so uniform? They always have the big heads and the little bodies. And that's us. That's the future. I think that's the aliens are all about, right? Why are they so uniform? They always have the big heads and the little bodies, and that's us. That's the future. I think that's the archetype. Well, I'm already on the way with my svelte body. What are those pot-bellied

dudes gonna do? They don't fit the cultural agenda. Right. Well, it's been a good time, my friend, as it always is. Thank you, Joe. You're the fucking man. I'm very appreciative of you. It's always fun to talk to you. And again, as it always is. Thank you, Joe. You're the fucking man. I'm very appreciative of you. It's always fun to talk to you. And again, you're always 11 months ahead.

So I'm wondering, like, what did you say today that will be 11 months from now be just commonly known? I really can't remember. I don't remember either. I don't remember. 11 months from now, I will probably have my real teeth in, my new ones. I would hope so. I hope. Well, I got to ossify, brother.

I got to take my time. I understand the ossification process. I'm newly aware of it. Thank you so much for inviting me to come by again. My pleasure, brother. It's always a good time.

I really look forward to this and thank you for making Texas even better than it already was. Oh, that's ridiculous. We love you here. Well, I love you guys. I love you specifically and I love people

all over the world, not just in Texas. Bye, everybody. I love you specifically, and I love people all over the world. Not just in Texas. Bye, everybody.