The Joe Rogan Experience - #1939 - B-Real

Episode Date: February 9, 2023

B-Real is a hip hop artist, actor, podcaster, and entrepreneur. He's a member of the rap group Cypress Hill, host of several podcasts, including "Dr. Greenthumb" and "The Smokebox," and founder of Dr. Greenthumb’s and Insane Cannabis, Phuncky Feel Tips, and Insane Clothing.  www.breal.tv

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day it's good to be here bro good to see you my friend yeah we're up and at them what's going on man chilling man working hard as always escape from la.A., man. You know, every time we go on tour, that's what I look at. Like, any shows, all right, we're getting away for a little bit. Just take a breather. I have hope L.A. comes back. I really do. I hope it reemerges as what it used to be or better.

Yeah. You know, I believe it can, too. Sure. And it possibly might, man. I believe it can too. Sure. It possibly might, man. But it's going to take a minute before we get the right people in there running the spot.

Who are the right people, though? That's the problem. That's hard to say, right? Because, I mean, it's just hard to trust any politician these days, man. I mean, my friends have hit me up like hey when are you gonna run for mayor i'm like i'm better running for mayor are you crazy bro you would win i probably would oh my god you would win that would be the curse of me right it would be the curse bro they would go digging deep into your past exactly yeah they'd find a bunch of liars distort a bunch of facts through that come up with a narrative as much of an open book as I've been, you know, and open about everything I've done.

Yeah. They'll always dig deeper to try to find more, especially when you're in that kind of spot, you know? For sure. Also, if you're an open book, they'll still rewrite your chapters. They'll rewrite the chapters? They'll go in there and go, no, no, no, no, no. This is, what's changed this around and make it a lot worse than it really was absolutely it's a dirty game who fucking wants to that's the

problem like who wants to do that job you know what it's crazy the people that want to do that job these days they're not there to do any work of what a politician's supposed to do they're trying to get famous you know they want to be famous for something because now that's it's a seat to be famous in you know then it's it's it's a shame because people that would actually maybe do the work they don't even got a chance to get in there because they don't want to be famous they're they're trying to get in there to do the work while others like you know they're like i got this seat i'm showboating this shit oh you know this whole run i didn't worry about seat. I'm showboating this shit. Oh, you know, this whole run. I didn't worry about it at all before COVID.

I'm like, who gives a fuck who the mayor is? It runs. LA runs. They figure it out. It's crazy. It's chaotic. There's a lot of people, but it works. Yeah.

Now I'm like, oh my God, that shit's important. It's so important. Oh my God. Who the governor is, who the mayor is. That shit is super important. You know, when you're young, you don't pay attention to any of that stuff you're just sort of living right you're going trying to make your way and as you get older you start paying attention to the world and you're like hey wait a minute yeah once you have children and once you buy property you're like hey and you're

paying taxes what the fuck is going on they keep jackinging up the taxes in California. The tents keep stacking up. I have hope. I have hope. I root for them. I hope this new mayor, I hope she nails it. Yeah. Hopefully she does something about it. Hopefully.

But it does cost a lot to live in California these days. It's crazy. It would be great if it went to a good thing. It costs a lot, but everyone was taken care of. They dealt with the homeless situation. They dealt with the crime. they dealt with the homeless situation they dealt with the crime they dealt with the poverty they dealt with all the bullshit but that's not that doesn't seem to be the case it's not it i mean you know like so cannabis we know generates california a huge amount of of uh you know yeah capital right and where did it go where does it go right does it go they don't

they don't ever tell you where it goes but i could tell you there's a bridge up there on sixth street had to get the money from somewhere right yeah well cannabis i mean what is the amount that cannabis is generating for california it's got to be enormous yeah it was for a time um for a time it's's not anymore? It goes up and down. You know, in the pandemic, oddly enough, people had a lot of money to spend because of the checks and stuff like that. But now the checks have run out and they got less money to spend. So, you know, it's always a roller coaster ride as it relates to what sales will be. relates to what sales will be. There it is right there. Yeah. Marijuana tax revenue, $1,294,632,799.

I believe we're the highest tax state as it relates to cannabis. And it's crazy. Yeah. Look at the difference between Colorado, which also has a lot of weed, only $423 million. Yeah. They gouge us, man. I mean, we saved, well, the industry saved the state. I mean, you know, you lived there for many years, and California was in debt. Yeah. We had no surplus. Now we got surplus.

We could build bridges that are multimillion-dollar bridges. I had Mariana Von Zeller on the podcast from that television show, Trafficked. I don't know if you've seen that show. It's a great show on the National Geographic. Yes, it's crazy. Crazy. She's boots-on-the-ground journalist. She goes into the jungle where the cocaine manufacturers are.

She went to the Congo for dealing with people that are trafficking in the Great Apes. Wild show. Wild shit. But she was talking about one of the problems with California is it's so difficult to get a license to sell weed regularly that illegal sales of weed are up way more than regular so they're not getting taxed on that because they made it

difficult for people yeah uh the people that operate legally are are the ones getting tapped the hardest because you got to pay for all these uh regulations and all these fees and the taxation pay for all these regulations and all these fees and the taxation, whether you're in the cultivation aspect of it or you're the retail manufacturer distribution, any of it, man. I mean, it's the taxation to operate is high and the taxes on the consumer as well. So when you have that factored in and you got these these guys that are trapping as they call it right black market style. Yeah, they're they're making all the money and and the state isn't really doing anything about that. the business but it's just so many hoops you gotta jump through man so much regulation yeah it's unfortunate but at least it's legal now yes i mean i remember in 2016 when it became legal we were in the middle of a podcast yeah we're doing the end of the world podcast during the election live at the comedy store and then it came out that marijuana passed and it's legal

and everybody cheered it was it was amazing the whole place went yeah But this is crazy that legally like federally it's illegal. Yeah, it's still schedule one You know, what's crazy is that more states are rolling over like, you know Because the federal government is leaving it leaving it up to the state to decide right and some states are seeing what's happening in places like Colorado and decide right and some states are seeing what's happening in places like colorado and and where the tax and taxation ain't so high and they are actually making a lot of money or the state is making a lot of money through cannabis they're starting to consider it right so you're seeing states roll over one at a time like new york for instance we thought that should have been like way sooner way sooner but we thought okay when new york rolls and let's just say florida and boston roll everywhere else will roll over

slowly and that's and that's kind of what's happening so i mean i think it's just a matter of time man where we will have it federally legal, but we're going to all pay the price until. Yeah, then mushrooms. Then mushrooms. Mushrooms got to make its way through. Oh, man, they got to make it. You know, what's crazy is the studies that they've been coming up with as of late, like how they've been using microdose

and moderate dose to treat people with depression and anxiety and all the other business, you know what I mean? And some therapists are talking about how they're actually using micro doses to help people, like, let's just say, that they had some sort of ailment, like migraines, for instance, right?

They say that they can some sort of ailment like migraines for instance right they they say that they can disconnect whatever that is and rewire you know your the whatever it is causing the migraines to stop them yeah we're the worst dudes to be talking about neurochemistry yeah we are yeah rewire yeah i mean supposedly uh psilocybin rather is one of the very best things for that. Yeah. For curing addictions and people that are dealing with, like, real serious problems with PTSD and people that are dying and have massive anxiety. It alleviates end-of-life anxiety for them.

Yes, people with anger issues, too. I mean, you know, people that pop off for any given reason, man. You give them some micro doses and they're the nicest people in the world. Yeah. I mean, that's the that's for sure a factor with cannabis, too, man. I mean, cannabis makes people so much friendlier. Yeah. You know, you don't. I think it just, it puts you in a relaxed state whether you choose

it or not. Right. Um, I've, I've stood out of a lot of altercations being as high as I am because like, you know, somebody might throw an insult here and there and I may not even be paying attention to them. Yeah. Whatever. Whereas if I'm not, I'm totally paying attention to that.

And it escalates. And it's going to escalate. Yeah, which is the worst. Because a lot of us that are high strung without it, man, it sort of grounds us out. Yeah. In a good way. Exercise and weed. Exercise.

It's a great combination for being a peaceful, kind person. Absolutely. And good health. Yeah, and good health. because weed keeps you young man yeah i gotta tell you well it definitely keeps you relaxed which can help you stay young yeah at least give it give you a young mindset yeah the stresses of life can age you yeah it's like we just concentrate on the petty bullshit it's just not worth it man it's not worth it. Yeah, you know, like we used to do mushrooms a lot. And I told a couple of stories when I was on the last time I was here.

But, you know, it used to be a part of our journey, man. Like we'd get on stage, mushrooms, and like just go on the ride. After a while, I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't like be on stage and be totally in the melt we call it where it's like where it's above micro it's above moderate like you're a full melt right as they say and it was harder for me to be in front of people doing that because i had like these these issues deeply rooted that i was angry about and every time i got to that place that's what i'd focus on and i didn't want to feel that ugliness so i waited till i got over whatever that that issue was and then i started you know slowly doing

mushrooms again microdosing first and then moderate and i started feeling good about it again and i realized how much you know it actually helped me push away from whatever that issue was when i did it the first time yeah just something you were focusing on right yeah you just needed to work out yeah i often say if you're if you're going to try mushrooms beyond micro, right? Like try to deal with whatever issues you got before you go in and have a friend there to help you like to be in the world there with you, you know? That's what everybody used to use a sitter. That was always the big thing. If you, if you did mushrooms, you should have a sitter, you know, and in a, in a, the best case scenario,

you would have qualified professionals that would assist in psychedelic therapy, which is what happens for a lot of people. You know, I know people that have done that in other states where it's legal or illegal. And where it's legal, I mean, it's amazing. You can go to a place and someone who understands the experience and knows what to do can help you through it. And I know people that have made some big breakthroughs in their life and just really just sort of reassessed how they interface with the world because of that. Yeah, man. I mean, if you could find something that would help you get past whatever is, is, um, you know, holding you back or troubling you, weighing you down, man. I mean, better than taking any of these over-the-counter drugs

for that that might suppress those feelings or thoughts then have you deal with them and get past them yeah well that kind of thinking is why it's going to stay illegal because there's a lot of money to be lost with marijuana and psilocybin and all these things becoming legal there's a lot of shit that people are taking that might not be necessary and might have some unintended side effects and consequences that you don't get with natural remedies. Right. It's like they say, there's no money in the cure. Yeah.

There should be. There should be. Yeah. But for them, there isn't. It's such a problem when people can make a lot of money off of something. Yeah. As soon as they find a thing that they can sell you, that they can make a lot of money off, they want As soon as they find a thing that they can sell you that they can make a lot of money off,

they want to keep selling it to you. Yeah. No matter what. And then you have other companies that do the knockoff versions of what they do to sell more of it to you. It's just, you know, I've been paying a lot of attention over the years

about the opiate crisis and the pill problem. And that's something we talked about with Mariana Venzella too because when I first met her, I had her on because she did this thing called the Oxycontin express. Right. Which she explained the pill mills in Florida and how people would buy the oxys and bring them up the highway to Kentucky and all these places and

people, horrible addictions and horrible overdose stories. And it was all coming from Florida and it was, there was no database. So you could have a back, ah, my back hurts. You go to this place, they go go you need oxycontin and literally go right next door at the same building and that's where they give you the oxy and that's

all they prescribe and they don't have a database so then you go down the street to another doctor because these pain management clinics were everywhere that seems like that's it's it's a thing in Florida it was yeah it was a thing in Florida they cleaned it up I mean. I mean, they had this show called Claws, right? That old girl that did Reno 911, Niecy Nash, right? She starred in this TV show called Claws. And it's her and a group of women, you know, trying to come up in a salon, like make the best salon. But the other way that they're making money is through the pills and through one of these type of clinics.

And it's basically showing you the game on how people are doing in Floridaida how these how these folks this is like a thing out there yeah the the pain management clinics and all that stuff with the oxycontin all that stuff what trips me out is it you know this fentanyl thing right people know about it it's been out there yet they'll still challenge themselves and try to like party like the shit ain't present. It's like the gamble they're taking with that. It just blows my mind. I think that hard drug addiction is a different thing. Yeah.

I really think it's a different thing. I haven't experienced it, but I have friends that have. And they get scared like they got captured by a demon. And when they get clean, they don captured by a demon and when they get clean they don't want to fuck around with nothing yeah they're like dude you don't understand i got captured by a demon and it's kind of if you wonder like when people talk about like demonic possession like that was always a thing back in the day before you know people really had an understanding of human psychology and myths and lores and

what people are terrified of. Like demonic possession was a real thing. But if you think about what happens to someone when they get really hooked on meth, I mean, how much different is that than being captured by a demon? You're captured by a chemical demon. That's a chemical in your life. Wants you to get in a fistfight with cops. Wants you to drive with no fucking tires wild shit yeah it's it's a chemical demon it does

possess you i mean like look when people were doing the pcp thing back in the day right you know back in southgate when sen and i were like you know younger before we were um you know well while we were in demo stages right doing our demos and stuff like that we'd you know trek around the city you know like go to parties and stuff like that house parties if you will and every now and then you know because we were broke-ass bastards we didn't always have cars we'd be walking to the parties and stuff like that from where you know cyprus or whatever and every now and then you would come across a couple of you know gangsters that were pcp'd out and these dudes i mean like if you got into some shit with them you were dealing with someone who didn't know their strength and their abilities at that point yeah they would break handcuffs yeah

they would break handcuffs we've seen like so is that real did people really break handcuffs on pcp or is that one of those myths well i had always heard they could definitely definitely break windows like nothing they do wild shit do wild shit so there was this kid in southgate who was he was a he was a gangbanger and a lot of a lot of other people in the area, they don't want to fuck with him because him and his brother were kind of crazy, right? And they had like reputations. And there was another contingency of gangsters that wanted to get at him, right?

So this guy was sitting on his porch one day by himself. His brothers and the rest of his guys were not there with him. He was outside of his mother's house chilling. and these dudes roll up on him with a shotgun and they blast him they you know buck shot him you know in his stomach all that and uh they take off they leave him there for dead that's what was the intention right and this dude was on pcp at the time they did not know he was on pcp nobody knew until the paramedics came got him and that's what that oddly enough is what saved him is that PCP or whatever the hell he was on. And he lived through that, you know, and it wasn't like it was a short distance that they blasted him with all them buck shots.

I mean, it had to be painful, but he didn't feel a goddamn thing, apparently. And he felt it the next day, obviously. But he lived through that while he was on the PCP. And that's crazy. Is it good for you? Is that a big conspiracy, PCP? Well, I would say that had he not been on it, he would have went into shock and sure enough died right there on that porch. Wow.

Imagine if that becomes a thing like it turns out to be true that if you're on pcp when you get wounded you're more likely to survive that would be crazy yeah because if you what is that elevated state isn't pcp i've isn't it related to ketamine in some way didn't someone say that on the on the podcast and it freaked us out oh like it was one chem chemical like one yeah i think it's really related some guys real close to ketamine or something some guys used to smoke and bought like they might be wrong their joints or cigarettes and embalming sherm yeah sherm yeah that was another zombie yeah that was ketamine and uh phenyl side pcp study yeah ketamine and fensi I'm sorry slide down if I was a fucking scientist I'd be so mad at this podcast yeah he was a he was either on sick lid dine yeah he was either

on PCP or sherm one of the two it says did they're both uh it says uh are n-methyl-d-asperg receptor agon antagonists and disassociate anesthetics that can cause intoxication, sometimes can cut, sometimes confusion. So it seems like it's similar. Yeah. Is that what they're saying, Jamie? If not, this... They're both in the same family.

Ketamine story begins with a drug called PCP. Yes, that PCP. So maybe it's like the proper form of it made in a lab. So I had a boxing coach back in Boston, and he was a savage. This dude was a longshoreman. I don't want to say his name because I don't want to tell the whole story. But he was a wild dude, especially when he was young. And he was a really good boxer.

And he got in a street fight and got his fucking finger bitten off. So his, his, his index finger on his right hand was missing and he had it replaced with his fucking toe. This is how gangster this dude was. He had his toe removed, not the big toe, but the second one. And the toe was his new finger and he had it curved so he could throw right hooks Oh, man So like when you shook his hand you always got like a curved finger cuz this finger was immobile He's just kind of clamped down, but he could still throw punches like he had it curved so he can make a fist

Yeah, they're like we could leave it open and he can tell you he's like no no fuck that I want to be able to crack people His toes his right finger. And he goes, I don't even remember what happened. He was on PCP. And he got his finger bitten off in a street fight. Yeah, man. And I'm like,

what is PCP like? He's like, to the moon. It ain't nothing like we experienced with this weed. I'm not fucking even thinking about trying that, whatever that is. I don't want it. But if ketamine's like next door neighbors to that,

that's what's crazy. Because like, I know a lot of people did ketamine and they did sensory deprivation tanks on ketamine that was what john lilly used to do apparently and what'd that do for him i don't know man the way i've heard about ketamine is um you know it's only different a bunch of different descriptions but they feel people say like you can do they do IV assisted ketamine for depression and Neil Brennan didn't you know Neil Brennan the comedian Neil who's a hilarious and interesting dude so he's the perfect guy to like he can describe this and he's trying to figure out what's wrong with him why is he depressed so he tries his ketamine therapy it's like oh it'll

probably be something. You lay there and you get a little dose of this and you relax or something. They're like, no. He goes, I was tripping my fucking balls off. I go, really? And I forget his description of it, but I remember Terrence McKenna's. He said it's like you're in an alien office building, but there's no one in the office building. You're wandering around.

office building, but there's no one in the office building. Like you're like wandering around. But I've heard a bunch of different weirder, even more strange descriptions of people that go into K-holes. A couple of interesting things to read in here. What does it say? Well, it's very similar to PCP, but it's got a lot, when it was chemically synthesized in the 60s, they took out the convulsion and seizure stuff that would happen to people. Well, that's good.

Jesus Christ. That's great. Jesus Christ. Thank you. Oh, my God. Here at the bottom, it says that it's a sedative. In fact, it was given to that boy, Socrates, and it was trapped in the cave in Thailand.

Oh, my God. So they would be easier to move. Oh, my God. Huh. Oh, my God. That's so insane. That's crazy. So they're pretty much loose.

Yeah, they put them on ketamine to get them through the tunnel. That's insane. Wow, that so makes sense, though. Yeah, I would imagine, because if you got any issues about you're claustrophobic. If those kids panicked and freaked out while they were swimming them through. Yeah, stuck. Oh, my God. Done.

There's an article I found from 1991 LA Times that's describing some myths about PCP. What's the big myth? Does it have anything about handcuff breaking? Dudes can break handcuffs, right? You always heard that, right? There's a lot of anecdotes for sure of them

saying that they would break their bones and do things that they wouldn't feel because it was such a powerful anesthetic that they wouldn't feel because it was such a powerful anesthetic that they wouldn't feel shit until it wore off. Yeah, you're numb, basically. But this also says that there's myths that were created to change that apparently those myths were used to change some laws.

Like, for instance, cocaine, it says a myth that made blacks most unaffected by, or cocaine made blacks unaffected by.32 caliber bullets is said to have caused southern police departments to switch to 38 caliber revolvers what oh my god oh my god so there's this thing about pcp that says if people believe that it would make them um uh they believe the public will go along with use of any force if to make the claim that the person was under the influence of pcp so it's so that it's so dangerous that any means to subdue. Yeah, any means to subdue.

Isn't it interesting that they decide what caliber you should be able to kill people with? Yeah. Well, this ain't big enough. We need to go bigger. It's almost like they're saying, give someone a chance to just get wounded. Yeah.

You might just get wounded. Yeah. But they're shooting at you. And what's crazy is that they're saying that this drug makes them not necessarily superhuman, but- Not as vulnerable. Not as vulnerable. Yeah. And it is true to a degree.

I would imagine if you're hopped up on meth, you'd probably be really hard to take down. Yeah. You'd just be like a wild animal, a wild cat yeah it would it would take you're ripping your body apart resisting you don't even realize anything like the limitations of your tissue you're just ripping your knees apart and just going crazy i mean you don't give a yeah so so when when uh we were spending a lot of time in Southgate before, like, you know, we eventually start touring and moving around and being a part of the industry more than being in the streets, right? Just before that, you know, we used to hang out at this spot in Southgate at this Jack in the Box. Like, for some reason, everybody went there. And it was on Firestone in California. And City Hall is just down the california and city hall is just

down the street and southgate police department is just right there and we just happened to be there on this day where they were trying to take down this like dude that was like probably like six two six three kenny loggins looking motherfucker you know scraggly beard and he's got his shirt off no shoes he's just in his jeans and there's like 10 uh south gate police officers trying to subdue this guy and like they could just not they had to call like five or six more and they put him in the back of the of the the police car and with his bare feet he kicks out the window and they're like they are really dealing with this guy this dude was huge oh my god um yeah he he had to have been on something because like he wasn't very big

big he was tall but he was kind of lanky but like man he was tossing those dudes around like nothing well there's some dudes that are just genetically freak strong. Yeah, you know Like our buddy Jeff out there Jeff doesn't even work out and this is grip thing that you grab and he beats all of us Hmm. Everybody works out every day. He grabs his things like Got that inner strength just got natural strength. Yeah, some people just have better genes than us Yeah, and imagine imagine that guy on PCp oh my goodness you're not gonna hold him down he's barefoot and he looks like kenny loggins yeah and he's got some country strength he's got country strength bro for real bro those guys that work on farms that is 100 legit yeah when you think about hay bales that's just like doing kettlebells all day. Well, look, they even suggested

that this was like hard shit when they made Rocky do it in Rocky IV. Exactly. They made him do old school farm work and shit. Yeah. You ain't fast anymore.

We gotta focus on your strength. Yeah. And all that shit takes strength. It takes strength. Builds strength. Yeah. Farm people are probably the strongest fucking people on earth. That's why they made such good wrestlers. They Builds strength. Yeah. Farm people are probably the strongest fucking people on earth.

That's why they made such good wrestlers. They're very sturdy. Yeah. Well, also, it's a huge thing up there. Wrestling is like this longstanding tradition in the Midwest. But also, there's a lot of fucking farmers out there, and those kids are savages. Oh, yeah. Imagine how they were doing those backyard matches in certain neighborhoods.

Imagine out there on the farm the matches they're throwing out there. For sure that's happening right now. To entertain themselves. Do you know Joe Lozon, the MMA fighter? Yeah. Him and his brother used to have real fights in the backyard of a cookout. Go to Joe Lozon versus Dan Lozon. They beat the fuck out of each other in the backyard

like real brothers full-on mma fight and then no beef in just cookout no beef and just fighting just fighting fighting so look at this this is these crazy motherfuckers at a cookout they're at a fucking cookout so everyone's hanging around They're in their gym shorts in the front yard. And they're going to fight. So this is no beef, all sport. Just for sport. This is just, we're going to have a fight. I mean, this is a full-on 100% MMA fight.

Look, there's bricks behind them. Look at the fucking, look at the bricks. The landscaping bricks. Where's mom? Mom's cheering on. Don't be a pussy. Mom's cheering him on. It's fucking amazing because their friends are all just sitting around.

By the way, both of these guys, world-class MMA fighters. Yeah. Joe Lozon is an elite MMA fighter, and his brother was a fucking straight-up killer when he was young. Yeah, these dudes have been around for a long time. Yeah. So Dan and Joe just beating the shit out of each other in front of everybody. Look at this. This is crazy.

This is a 100% full-on fight. He just hit him with a hard ground-and-pound right hand from the top. If we didn't have beef beforehand, we have beef after. Joe Lozon with a deep half sweep. That's a beautiful sweep he just hit him with. He hit him with a deep half. Oh,'s a beautiful sweep he just hit him with. He hit him with a deep half. Oh my goodness. Brothers. Oh my goodness.

For no money. This is no money. He got the choke in. I'd like to play the song from Engie and Evil E. He got him. He fucking didn't even let go! Tap tap tap tap tap. Fuck you! They got beefy. He got mad that he didn't let go and he tapped

that is wild that is wild that's wild man joe's the older brother yeah that's why he didn't let go but some guys that grow up with brothers are like the toughest dudes yeah because they're always fighting they're fighting with their. Yeah. Because they're always fighting. They're fighting with their brothers all the time. They're always fighting. Yeah. They're not worried about conflict. They're ready to go.

Yeah. They experience it constantly. It's like being in prison. Yeah. And what's crazy is if they get into a fight on the street with other guys, they're beating the shit out of those other guys. They're so used to fighting. Yeah. They're so used to it.

But it can fuck with you the other way, too, man. I had a buddy of mine who had a brother who terrorized him. His brother was just, like, super mean, beat the shit out of him. Like, would physically beat him up all the time. And he was bigger and older. He was a bully. Yeah. And this guy was, like, a good-looking guy.

He was smart. But he always had this fucking terrible insecurity. There was this thing about him. And the one time we had a conversation about it He's like my brother just beat the fuck out of me My whole life is like your brother who was like living with like he was being terrorized by his brother and nobody did anything about it His brother was parents didn't want to get involved that's crazy was fucked up his head forever when you get a

Sibling that's abusing you you know you can't because you really can't do shit about it but that's you know hey guys like that at this point that they're still having this hang up psilocybin yeah go to a therapist do that treatment and it'll help you it's almost like you know when, when people go do the ayahuasca thing and they got the shaman guiding you through, you know what I mean? And you need guidance with stuff like that. Also, you need guidance because there's probably a bunch of medications that people take that you wouldn't ever want to take with mushrooms. Oh, hell no. You would want to talk to a doctor. Like, I don't, there's got to be, right?

Like, what medications are dangerous when mixed with psilocybin google that because there's got to be some stuff like mao inhibitors and stuff that would make you lose your fucking marbles oh yeah like mckenna told some story about once about who he took some sort of an mao inhibitor and mushrooms at the same time and he almost lost his mind. I believe that was the combination he was talking about. That's crazy. But it was just way too much.

And it took him a while before he could sort of, the way he was describing it was much more eloquent, but he was talking about how he was trying to reformulate reality, essentially. That went deep. Yeah, he was like gone. Like, oh my God, I'm never coming back on You know and then it just took a while and then eventually get there's stories of him and his brother They took mushrooms in the Amazon and they found these fresh mushrooms and the brother went wait wait way too hard

He went way too hard in the Amazon Yeah, and he was gone for weeks. And he was gone for weeks. He was gone for weeks, for weeks. Yeah, some folks don't come back from that as quickly as others. And some people stay. Some people stay. Yeah. Yeah.

If you lose your, if you're like prone to like having mental issues already, it's probably not a good idea to do it. Right? Not without a guide. Not without a guide. And even then, like probably you should just do a little. Yeah yeah i mean i'm not a doctor clearly don't take my advice on anything but in that regard i would say like what they did was wild they they they just ate a pile of them like who knows how much and there's like fresh mushrooms in the Amazon. And he was apparently just fucking gone.

You know, people are going extra hard on the mushrooms as of late. Like, you know, we talk about it on the Dr. Green Thumb show, right? And we were talking about, you know what? One day we're going to do, you know, a micro dose before we go on. Or a moderate dose, right? And we did that. And everything was fucking hilarious to us right after that show we started seeing like some of the fans and like yo this is what i'm doing today

right and they'll send us um like the the shake prep if you will they'll do them in shakes right and they'll take a pile of mushrooms and grind them up in that shake and we're like damn you ain't coming back for a week yeah because it's like you know back in the day we we used to do like an eighth before we went on stage we'd take an eighth of mushrooms and that was a lot for that time but like people are doing like double that we're like whoa it's like that you guys ain't floating around an alternative reality. You're going into the portal. You're into the portal and then you're interacting with the material world while you're in the portal. Yeah.

That's the hard part. If you're around like minded people like everybody took and it's closed off to the world and you guys are nice right there. It's fine. But it's always the one person that might not be in the in the world with you in that way and they might throw the whole damn thing off yeah that can happen because you're trying to relax yeah and you see that someone's losing their shit yeah yeah or vice versa you could be like um we're all totally here that person doesn't understand where we're at right because he's not in it or she's not in

it with us what's really important to me is it's it could help so many people like so many veterans like so many people with ptsd yeah you know so many people like my friend assault victims i think that uh i think there's a real potential that it can help but it's dangerous yeah it's like everything where you're you're monkeying with your mind. It's dangerous. It shouldn't be treated lightly. No. It's real stuff.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, there's people that do it for, you know, casual use to, you know, just like someone smokes weed. Not everybody smokes weed for the health benefit of it. You know what I mean? And it's the same thing with mushrooms. Some people are partying with it. And some people are trying to actually get, you know, a benefit from it in the way that it'll help them

with whatever issue that they're having that they feel it could help for. So, you know, I think there's a different sort of responsibility on each shoulder. And I think the user knows that right so like if you're partying on it you know where your limits are when you're using it for medical use you're sort of like afraid to step on the gas you know what i mean so i think you go a little slowly in that aspect there you know because i think people still are genuinely afraid of it because they don't know about it they've only ever heard and they're trying to experiment with it but

that's when you need someone who's experienced in it who can actually guide you through so if you want to do a little bit more and get a little bit more of the experience or you want to pull back yeah because you know you always got the assholes more Do more and then also the other problem with it being illegal is some of the people that provide you that experience are weirdos Yeah You gotta hang out some weirdos if you want a trip and some of them are cool a lot of them are cool But because it's illegal shrooms can cause seizures a lot of studies have been done. That's all I can find It's illegal. Shrooms can cause seizures?

Not a lot of studies have been done. That's all I can find. Is that, yeah, it can cause seizures. So don't mix it with things that can raise your blood pressure or heart rate. Shrooms increase your heart rate. Shrooms can increase your heart rate in the 150 to 160 range of a normal dose. Whoa. You're burning calories on shrooms.

Of course you are. You're freaking the fuck out. You can't believe what you're seeing. Oh, and you shouldn't take it with molly, Ritalin, or other psychostimulant drugs. This is especially true if you have a history of heart disease or blood pressure problems. That's the utmost I could find. You got to drink a lot of water, too. Well, maybe those are the drugs that we're talking about.

So what was it again? Antidepressants, was it it say um antihistamines benzodiazepines or stimulants because that's a serotonin crash that can happen right so that makes sense if you were on like uh xanax right that's benzodiazepine and then you did a trip probably not so bueno not so good and and you know people don't do that sort of diligence before they go and do that shit it's just like like someone has, hey, let's do some mushrooms. Exactly. And you don't know if your homie or homegirl are like on some medication.

You're on some asthma medication or something. Yeah. Interacts badly with it. Yeah. Not good. Not good. Yeah. That's why it should be fucking legal.

Yeah. You should leave it up to people. It's a freedom issue. Yeah. It really is. And people that don't understand that, like conservatives should get on board with it because it's a fucking freedom issue. And people want to connect it to like liberals and hippies. And they push it onto the side of the left instead of looking at it like as a population of human beings.

It is. That value freedom. You value freedom. I value your freedom to be able to have a drink. I value if you want to smoke a cigar or a cigarette do whatever the fuck you feel like doing you are an adult i value your freedom as long as you're not hurting me and if you can show that that thing actually has a benefit to a lot of people and it's being explored like in legitimate scientific circles

and legitimate therapy circles shouldn't we take a fucking look at making that legal? Yeah. Like, this is crazy that you have something that grows in the ground naturally. It grows on cow shit. It's all over the world naturally. People have been taking it for centuries. Who knows how many thousands of years? Who knows?

Like, when did they start taking mushrooms? What's the earliest known use of mushrooms? That's a good question. When is the first? I wonder when, because they get pretty good at that. They get ayahuasca down, I think. I think they know when that was. They think that peyote is a weird one.

Yeah. Peyote, they say, is like really recent. I have not tried that one. The answer Google gives me is that. Some 6,000 years ago a prehistoric rock art near Villa de humo in Spain suggested the psilocybe hispanica was used in religious rituals 6,000 years ago sounds about right imagine what they thought they were seeing or what they were actually seeing in that time oh my, my God. Of course. That's what John Marco Allegro said is the birth of Christianity.

He said it was all about psilocybin mushrooms. He was this guy who was an ordained minister who became agnostic as he was studying theology, and he was one of the people that was hired to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls. So for 14 years, this guy worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls, and then he wrote this book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. And in the book, he was saying, this was all about consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. That's what these original stories were

about. Crazy. And he believed that what, and this guy was like a straight laced scientist. He was like a straight laced academic rather. He wasn't like a guy who was a tripper. He wasn't a Timothy Leary type dude. He was just a regular scholar who was like, what I get out of this and the origin of these words, you can go back. He believed that the word Christ came from an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen. So people thought that when it rained, it was God coming on the earth. Right. And then these mushrooms would rise up because you know how quick mushrooms go.

They pop up quick. And then they would eat these mushrooms and trip balls. So of course they thought that this was, you know, they were in contact with God through this gift. Yeah. God's medicine right there. Maybe they were right. Could be.

Maybe they were right. Some of the things people see. Maybe they were right, man. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, some of the things people see are incredible, man. It's funny how we're resistant to that. It's funny how people are resistant to that. It goes against the norm wash that we've been living under for so long.

What was that, Jamie? Putting together the cows and the dung. Can I see it? I feel like we've seen the bull. Right. This image before. Right. And then to see the mushrooms next to it.

I don't know that I've seen that before. They're so close. Yeah. That's a trip. Is there a correlation since that's where they grow? You know? It must be. I mean, they must know that they grow on cow shit.

That's where they grow. So Spain. Do you know where Duncan Trussell used to live? How crazy is this? They used to give the cows an anti-fungal feed so that their shit couldn't grow mushrooms in them. It was in Asheville, North Carolina. And so many kids were going out there and just picking mushrooms off cow shit and just tripping their fucking balls off that they had

to put a stop to it that's it you goddamn hippies are gonna ruin this town so they poisoned the cows they give this cow this what antifungal I don't know if it poisoned the cow I'm just I'm hyperbolic but they gave the cow this antifungal shit yeah so they couldn't do what it naturally does which is makes the perfect habitat for psilocybin so they like starved out all the magic mushrooms uh you know i don't even know if that worked because that was what duncan told me we should research that might be a total myth even if it did those kids found another way to get mushrooms oh yeah once they got them they got them yeah once they got them so many ways to get any of that now yeah there's i mean it just there's so many places though where it grows naturally still to this day it's a schedule one substance that just grows naturally you don't

have to process it yeah you don't have to do anything you just pick it and eat it yeah and it's illegal which is like okay so i think that'll change i mean you see more acceptance of it as of late and the fact that they're willing to study it yeah and talk about the actual good it's been doing in those studies i mean it seems like it's a it's a move in the right direction it's just slow it's just slow it's just always slow like with cannabis i mean we all know it should have been legal like probably five ten years ago already there's a thing that happens where preconceived notions are very hard to let go and people have them about uh they have them about drugs they have them about culture they have about a lot of things but drugs are a big one because i've had my own preconceived notions

about about cannabis when i was a kid i didn't really do anything i didn't party at all from the time when i was like 15 till i was like 21 because i was training and fighting and that's all i did so i was a nerd sort of i was like kind of like socially awkward and i thought that people who were getting high were just wasting their life they weren't going to get nowhere like i wasn't going to do that i barely drank and if i did i was always mad at myself i was i was like you're going to fucking slow your body down this is going to fuck you up you're not going to be able to achieve your goals i was too like maniacal in this mindset and i thought that like weed was for losers until i started hanging out with eddie bravo and eddie bravo and i were doing jujitsu together at john jock machado's this is like 98 somewhere around then yeah and um he starts talking about

how much weed influences his music and i go really and he goes yeah because jujitsu techniques like i think a lot of them up when i'm high i'm like that's crazy because i thought we just slows you down he was no no no no that's just like what people who don't smoke weed think yeah i'm like okay let's try this shit so we went got high and high, and then we went to Basket and Robbins. And I remember, this is like me high for the first time in, I don't know, more than a decade probably, right?

Eating this fucking ice cream going, dude, this is the greatest fucking flavor I've ever experienced in my life. Ice cream sundae when you're high for the first time. Like you've never, literally like I had never been high before because the time before that was like,

maybe I was like in my early 20s, like 21 or something like that. Like it had been a long fucking time. Eight, nine years. Yes. Like no weed, weed slows you down, weed's bad for you

to like, oh my God, this is magic. Yeah. This is magic. Like this food tastes so good good like it tastes way better than it would taste you appreciate it a lot more oh my god you appreciate friendship more and i was like this is amazing i was like oh i didn't know what this was i was like i thought this was just for losers i thought this was this thing and you you take and you're like wow man it's all it's all the misinformation that they put out throughout all them years man to you know to keep people from it it's also sometimes when you're stoned it's hard to express yourself true and sometimes shit comes

out sometimes it's hard to articulate yes you know fucking a fucking wonder man yeah you could get that and if you're sober and people are high, sometimes that could be annoying. Like if I'm doing concentrates, man, that's when it gets tough. Like flour I got all day. That's nothing for me. But it's the concentrates and like the RSO. Have you done the RSO or the hemp full spectrum hemp oil yet? I'm not fucking around with any of the things these kids are doing. These dabsers.

These kids were bringing dab machines everywhere they go. They're in another dimension, man. They're in a next door dimension. They're not living with us right now. They're in another place. It's crazy. You know, because when they come to the show and stuff like that, some of them

are very intimidated by that. Like rappers, most especially. Rapp are very intimidated by that like rappers most especially rappers are intimidated by the dabs for real like they'll smoke the blunts yeah they'll smoke the joints but my my you know my peers they don't like doing the dabs man it's it's too strong for them it's too much it's too much like too much for me's too much. It's too much for me. For me, I got used to it. Because I got to be universal in my path in the stoner world, right? Because everybody's always trying to take my fucking head off. So I have to be ready for it.

Because there was one time, these guys from Weed Maps. They were doing a 420 show in Colorado. And the dabs were new to us still, you know, and they weren't as clean yet and they were just new in the culture, but not new to these guys. Right. So they, you know, we all go to my hotel room because I know these guys and stuff like that, but everybody's got their own dab rig, their own dab torch and their own concentrates it's like they're jedis of dabbing right yeah so we start off with one and it's a hot dab this is before we start doing the low temp dabs like you know that means heating the nail and then letting it cool down for about 40 seconds and then taking the hit so it's not hot as fuck right this is when we're like heating the nail let it cool down 10 seconds and then go for it and man that is the most devastating way you could do this right so

i took three three hits we all a piece took three hits right and there was probably about six or seven of us and uh after like 45 minutes i called my boy over i said get everybody the fuck out of here i need like a few minutes to gather myself hey man yeah i had to meditate out of out of what i was feeling right then right and but and i still had a show to do later on how many hours to the show it was like maybe four hours to the show and I was still feeling it when we got to the show I was high as fuck higher than I had been in a long time and None of those guys made it to the show. They all went home and slept I went and did a fucking show, you know, but after that that's when I decided okay

Well, I don't you know dabs ain't my thing, but I'm to keep up on it so that I don't get my fucking head taken off again. And, you know, so other rappers, you know, have gone through the same thing where it's like, you know, they either don't try it at all because of the way it looks. The torch to the nail, you know, is very cracky to us. You know what I mean? So like a lot of them don't fuck with it that way, but some of them now and then will try. And then they'll love the taste, but the high is so fucking extreme after

that they don't want no part of it. They'll just stick to the flour. Rapper high levels are way higher than comedian high levels. We smoke a lot. Rappers smoke all day yeah like watching people like snoop dogg put down blunt after bump and roll them roll them himself spark them up put down another one roll another one spark it up action bronson how many joints did action bronson smoke

on the show he's an avid smoker i'll'll tell you what. He had like eight, nine joints. The one who's a monster, like myself in that regard, is Wiz Khalifa. Oh, yeah. That guy can smoke weed all day. He can do the concentrates. He does the bong hits.

I don't do the bong hits too much anymore. But like the dabbing and that stuff, I'll do. But yeah, he smokes like a monster. And he's the perfect argument against weed makes you lazy. Yeah, no, because he's always doing something. He's always doing something. He's training Muay Thai.

Training Muay Thai. He's practically a pro fucking bowler. Really? Oh, man. This dude and his partner Chevy Woods, those two guys, they hit the lanes like crazy. No shit. And they're fucking good. I thought I was good.

Like, I was good when I was a kid. I'm okay now. But when I saw them both, I said, if I'm gonna go at them, I'm gonna have to be, like, getting my role together for about six months before I try these guys because they're rolling high numbers up there. Wow.

And they're doing that high as fuck. You know, they're not sober in their role, in their role in sober. They're high as fuck going in there getting some good numbers, man. I'll be like, okay, Wiz. That makes sense. That's because it's a,

bowling is a feel thing. Yeah. You know, I would, it makes sense that you would like a better feeling of where the ball's going to go if you're high. For me, any physical activity when you're stoned, when you're an avid stoner, right? Like to me, it puts you in a zone where you can concentrate more on the shit you do. Like so, for instance, I do archery with my daughter.

And beforehand, you know, I'll go smoke out before we go. And I'll just be comfortable as opposed to when I've tried it when it wasn't. And it just, there's just something like it settles me in my targeting's better. My breathing is better, all that. And even as it relates to workouts, I feel like I could work out longer than if, if I'm like, put it this way, example if i if i'm not stoned i'll set the time that i'm going to work out hour and a half and on that hour and a half i'll stop but if i'm stoned i'll lose myself in it and i'll go longer than that hour and a half yeah and that's sort of what it does to me it just gives me that hyper focus where I'm just locked in.

When I'm stoned, I'm getting more information. It feels like I'm more when I'm doing physical things like martial arts, for example. When I'm stoned, I feel like my timing better. I feel like when I'm supposed to move into something better. I've had like breakthroughs in technique from being high and hitting the bag because you realize there's just a perfect timing to the way it impacts. You know, you're a martial artist. I think it slows you down and allows you to not rush into...

Yeah, to do it properly. To do it properly. Yeah, it makes you feel the technique. Like you feel your body moving like in, in a little bit more harmony. Cause sometimes when I'm not warmed up or maybe when, you know, I'm,

you know, maybe I'm a little sore or something like that. You can kind of force things the wrong way and you can, you can even hurt yourself doing that. Yeah. But when you, when you're high, you almost like feel the way your muscles are. Like when you do chin ups, when you're high, you almost like feel the way your muscles are.

Like when you do chin ups, when you're high, it's like you feel your back, you feel everything in it. Yeah. It just makes everything very hypersensitive. Yeah. I always felt like when I went into the dojo,

when I was training, um, you know, when I went in sober, there was always this anxiety trying to like do it all right. And like sort of doing too much, you know anxiety trying to like do it all right and like sort of doing too much you know trying to like uh go faster than you actually should yeah you know in your progression it's you know being too excitable and stuff like that whereas when i went in high

i would absorb it like you said absorb it more and focus on everything that I was doing, like from the snap of the punches to the blocks and kicks and all that stuff. Like instead of rushing it and trying to go out and impress sensei or, you know, all that that you do, because ego comes in as well when you're in a dojo. You want, I want to be the best student in here. It's almost like a competition sometimes right but when i'd go in stone i wouldn't even think about that it was just all about absorbing what he was giving to us that day and then trying to do it and and slowing

my mind down to do it right yeah you know what really helps stretching yeah stretching yeah when you stretch when you're high it's like you're releasing things. You're like. High yoga. Yeah, high yoga. Well, that was apparently what a lot of the ancient yogis used to do. They used to take hashish. Hashish, yeah.

They would take hashish and get into these funky poses, which makes sense. Yeah. If you were high as fuck and you're all doing. Yeah. That's what you would do. That's what you would do. If you were high as fuck and you're all doing, that's what you would do. That's what you would do. Instead of, if you were fucking high as fuck on hash, stand there.

I would love, I would do it. I mean, sometimes I'll meditate and I'll be high as fuck when I'm meditating. And that allows me to go longer. Yeah. Because sometimes, you know, like I'm a Gemini and if I'm not high, man, I'm high strong. And I try to rush

i'll rush through shit so like if if i mean to like meditate for 10 minutes and i'm not stoned before i do it i'll be trying to rush the meditation i'm like looking at the time is it 10 minutes yet you know what i mean yeah but if i get stoned i'm not even looking at the watch i'm just you're in it. You're just in it. Yeah, time flies. You don't even recognize it. Yeah. If you were that high, I mean, have you ever taken a yoga class high?

Like really high? Like hashish high? Hashish high? No. Neither have I. I've taken a yoga class mildly high, and it was great. It was amazing. I was taking a yoga class mildly high, and it was great.

It was amazing. I would imagine if you were hashish high, and you're eating nothing but lentils, and you're on this vegan diet, and just every day home. Oh, yeah. Every day stretching, every day doing it. You're probably tripping balls. You're tripping balls. Tripping balls. And you're healing yourself, too, while you're tripping those balls.

Yeah. That would be a fascinating person to talk to. Yeah. There's plenty of them out there, man. Yeah. Especially these new age yogis, man. Those dudes, they would be like rappers, too. They try to smoke your head off. Oh, yeah.

Definitely. How many chillums can you smoke? That was like a thing with these. Oh, yeah. These dudes. These yogis yeah you know that that's the thing when you're known for something like that man they're trying people coming for you oh they are coming kennis you know used to talk about that with uh cocaine

he would say that when uh he would go to party they'd go it's him it's him and they'd put this giant line out oh man and i just have to fucking fucking get through so he would snort the line and almost have a heart attack Hilarious, but you can't do that shit today. That's for sure. No No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean that's this is the byproduct of illegality, too Yeah, I mean that's that's how this happens if it's illegal then it's unregulated if it's unregulated sometimes there's poison in it Yeah, and that's the problem. That's how this happens. If it's illegal, then it's unregulated. If it's unregulated, sometimes there's poison in it. Yeah. And that's the problem, man. That's the problem.

It's crazy. Like going back to what we said in the beginning, that people would even gamble knowing that that is a possibility. Unless you know where it's coming from. Do you think that this country could survive legalization of hard drugs like cocaine? What do you think? Do envision that doubt? Like we all want cannabis and it seems like cannabis is gonna happen It seems like it's on on the way to happen I think you have to educate people more and be open to educate them properly instead of propaganda

Education where it's you're just telling them half-truths to let them know what you want them to know like in Europe they're they're a little bit more with the shits in terms of, you know, how they deal with alcohol, how they deal with drugs, how they deal with nudity on TV, just little things like that. or that we're afraid to teach people about these things because maybe that education will lead them there as opposed to being upfront with them, like, look, this is what it is, this is what happens, and all the other shit instead of, hey, this over here, don't do it. Well, the problem is everybody's finding out from everybody else.

Right. That's what I'm saying. You have to educate them probably not You're not getting good information from your friends about how much Molly you should take right? You can't let someone else educate them you out You have to be the one to do it and instead of the sheltering that we've gotten through through most of our lives here You know us growing up our generation our parents didn't want to tell us shit. Just don't do that. Don't do that. And sometimes they didn't know how to explain why. Right.

But we are in a different place in different time where energy, I mean, information is vast. Yeah. And you can get it at the click of a finger, you know, click at a key on your computer. You know what I mean? You just gotta also take into account that like people that live like us today humans listening to this in 2023 this is a new type of

person this is a new type of informed person people are so much more informed even misinformed than they've ever been before you're dealing with an information overload that's never never existed before and you know if you just go back a couple generations like my grandparents came from italy so we're talking about you know they they came over here during the depression they they lived on a farm like it was like horrible brutal shit yeah in italy they came over to america like those people that just got on a boat before youtube and just made their way they moved their whole family across the country those are wild

people man wow and they were just trying to escape whatever the fuck was going on in europe which is probably even worse so like fuck it i'll take a chance on a boat yeah and then they got to america and they fucking sign up you could just be an american back then yeah you know you could just show up and you were an american like there was it's not like today where it's like these rigorous background checks. Oh, man. Like, back then, they just let immigrants in, right? Yeah. Like, what was it like to become an immigrant to America in 1920?

I mean, did they turn anybody away? I don't think they turned anybody away, but, like, they definitely put them through it. Am I talking out of my ass? I mean, did they have an extensive thing that they do to let someone become an American citizen back then? It seems like it's hard today. I think for some folks, they got put to work. You know, yeah, you can come in here,

but we need this and this and that, and you're going to do that. Oh, okay. You know, like, have you been watching Yellowstone at all? Yes. Have you watched prequel like the 1883, 19? I love Yellowstone, though. Oh, man.

It's a great show. Watch the prequel. The prequel, 1883. I heard it's amazing. Based off the Duttons coming from, I think, Tennessee or wherever, or Wyoming or something. I think it's Tennessee. But, like, them trying to get to Oregon. The original place they're trying to get to is Oregon, but they never make it there.

I won't blow the story and they end up going to Montana. But seeing how they trekked from one side of the country to the other and like the shit they had to deal with from, you know, with bandits all along those trails and just the elements man like coming into the country and having to go across it um in the 1883 one it's it's it's like they're going with a group of people it's not just their family they're going with a um a group of people that came from germany and they're trying to go to oregon because's free land there. They don't have any money. All they have is what, what they have with them that they brought from their, their perspective parts of Europe.

And, you know, they're trying to get from wherever they're at to Oregon and on the way, man, the shit that they go through. And you, and it gives you sort of like that idea of what people were dealing with in that time yeah we can't even imagine living like that and that's the only way you could live

yeah that's that's the way people lived back then yeah that's so what we're talking about today in 2023 is just a few generations removed from that i know it doesn't seem like it but i had this joke that i used to do about the United States was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100. That's three people ago. Like, that's three people ago. That lived back. That were living like savages that brought slaves over on wooden boats powered by the wind.

Three people ago. Yeah. Like, that's how recent civilization is. Yeah. Like, in terms of, like, what we enjoy today. Yeah. Like, this civilized view of the world, informed view of the world. That's how recent civilization is, like in terms of like what we enjoy today. Like this civilized view of the world, informed view of the world. This is really recent.

Yeah. It's evolved into something really different. Very, very different. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be a power struggle and there's going to be a lot of fucking weirdness with people trying to dictate how you think and feel and what to do and what not to do but at the end of the day more people are being heard than ever before more people's voices are being heard than ever before more uh important issues are being raised that people weren't aware of the more shit that you're not hearing about mainstream news it's really affecting your life and you're finding out more about people there's way more information

it's an overall net positive. It's just a rocky-ass road. For sure. With all these platforms, right, before these platforms existed where you could be a voice, maybe you didn't intend to, but you became one through one of these platforms. Before they existed, all you ever had were the articles that might pop up on this website by this writer or that writer or whatever they got on the news and obviously they don't ever always tell you the full story on anything you know but when you got people that now can go on to any social media

platform and tell you exactly what they saw yeah without worrying about what the FCC is going to say about the reporting or what your senior editor and staff is going to say about how you brought this story. You don't got to worry about any of that. Boom, you could capture that, talk about it, and it go viral, and now you're a voice because people are listening to you now.

It's a different world. world yeah that's different and you have a bunch of voices now like the people will be heard now it's yeah but the problem with that too though is now that you also have the troll generation that like they're there to troll, even if it's really good information. They're there to, you know, just bring it all down. And that because that's what they do. It doesn't matter if it's if it's something that's going to help someone. There's always those folks that want to come tear it down. There's always people that want to throw rocks at windows.

Right. Yeah, that's true but i kind of think the one thing that they do is they strengthen up the defense of whatever you're trying to promote like it has to become more undeniable yeah if trolls can crack your defenses you got to use use them as fuel basically yeah you know david goggin says he takes all of his haters, like all the shit that they said to him, and he puts it on like a soundtrack and he listens to it when he runs. He says it out. He reads it out. Oh, shit.

You know how psycho he is? That's his Rocky anthem? Yeah. Dude, he puts shit that people say about him. He puts it on an audio track and runs on it. on an audio track and runs on it you know i would imagine that's that's likened to a boxer putting up the picture of the the other boxer that's been talking shit the whole time or mma fighter you know what i mean like boom here's this fucker on the wall movie on the day of the fight he rips the poster down you motherfucker you're back you i got you bitch. Yeah. Hey, that is an interesting way to fuel up, like to record all your hater statements.

It's just playing back to yourself. If you listen to David's life story, David has two incredible books. They're amazing. And one of the things about the books that's so amazing is you realize like what he endured as a child and what he went through like the the abuse that he received and how he came out of that this like unstoppable dude and he was like fat at one point in time he's open about all of it he's like 300 pounds just drinking milkshakes and he couldn't even run around the block and then he turned himself into that dude he unlocked it yeah you, that goes to show you the strength

that the human spirit has. You can be shit on your whole life, deprived of these opportunities here or there, maybe not have the guidance from your parents or whatever, or maybe not even have any because, you know, some kids get abandoned and stuff like that. And to be able to pull out of that and that not be the anchor that holds you down for the rest of your life.

And that's your excuse. Like, oh, well, the reason I wasn't able to do this was because of. You can always get past these things. You just got to look inside and then eventually let all that shit go and use it as fuel and strength. And it's great to hear when people actually do this because it is possible. We do have this ability in us. We just got to look deep inside, even when it's ugly, because that's the thing, right? Everybody wants it all nice.

They want a great story. And, you know, you don't want all the ugliness, but sometimes life is ugly and we deal with it as people, depending how that that unlocks your full potential to take you out of that situation and you know put you in a better place and and allow you to evolve and grow and to be a better person yeah you know and not perpetuate any of the shit you went through to now your kids or whoever else you know that that is possible and people just got to know that that's possible it is possible and then you know there's people that take it to different levels some people just improve their life and then there's guys like goggins who's just always trying to push the boundaries of what's physically possible for

a human body to endure yes it's just a nutty way to live your life it's crazy hundreds and hundreds of miles you know his knees were fucked up like so fucked up that the doctor looked at it and said i can't even believe you can walk on these knees forget about run thousands of miles yeah like he was just bone on bone on his knees and just enduring pain it's crazy till the wheels fall off you know what i mean the wheels fall that's the human spirit i mean there's there's what's that's one of these dudes who's uh he he um he goes up everest and he conquered like the what is it the how many summits are there that oh you mean nimsty yeah yeah how do you say his name but he was a guest on the podcast.

I mean, that's- I don't want to fuck up the pronunciation. I mean, that's crazy. That's an amazing documentary. Was it 12 Peaks? Yeah, 12 Peaks. There you go. I mean, when you think what it takes to do that once.

Nimz Purja and his, it's like, is Nimz Jai his Instagram handle? Is that what it is? But fascinating dude. Yeah. And he, you know, just was like a special operator and had incredible endurance. Yeah. Like his endurance, it's like what he's capable of doing is fucking extraordinary He goes up there with no air man

He doesn't he doesn't have assisted air and he's apparently has like vo2 max is like through the roof That's crazy when you think about what it takes to do one one He's done and he's done 12 and he was banging him off quick You know was crazy I was it Speaking of that. Did you did you catch the one about when the earthquake hit they they were at everest and um there was it hit two different places i think um in the city well it affected three different places affected the city this small village i can't remember what it was called,

and the people that were climbing up Everest. There was like two camps. And the people that were in camp one, they got stuck up there for some time because when the earthquake hit, they had no idea on that day what was happening for them. But the people that were at base camp what happened there a lot of them got wiped out it was crazy was an avalanche yeah it was an avalanche that came it's it's it's a it's a documentary that tells you what happened in that earthquake there you go aftershock it was man it devastated three places like you wouldn't believe man i mean because a

lot of that is like old structure yeah look at the devastation from avalanche yeah that's crazy yeah from base camp over there and this is in the city of nepal i believe right talk about like living in a totally different way. Yeah. Living up there at the base of those mountains. Man. What? What the fuck, man? I can't imagine being up there during an earthquake knowing that the avalanche is coming down. That's got to be one of the most fucked up ways to go, an avalanche.

Yeah, I mean. Just seeing this mountain of snow coming your way. Imagine how many bodies are buried in that mountain That mountains alive. That's how those like Iceman dudes right when they found that dude in the glacier Yeah, completely frozen. It's probably how he got taken out. Yeah, something similar or fell fell in a crack somewhere got wiped out Was it just gonna ask you what we just talked about before that It was pronunciation on dudes names no That's donor thing it is before that was the

Immigration laws. Oh, yeah, that was where it was. Okay, so I have a 1920 Was the change of when all this started going down. Okay. After World War I, America became an isolationist nation in December 1920. In the context of isolationism, the international influenza pandemic, and a post-war economic recession, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to end all immigration to the United States for one year. So that was just one year, though.

So then they added, so it got interesting right down here. 1921. They called it midnight races, where boats had to get into the shore by midnight, or they were going to get fined for bringing people that exceeded the quota. So they have to, like, get in there quick? Mm-hmm. So they're racing to get to shore? Oh, my God.

100%. And then, like, if they came an hour later, though, they'd be allowed in on the next day's quota, which sounds like it gets confusing. 1924, they figured it out. So for three years, it sounded like it was chaos. Wow. Yeah, and 1923 is that second part of Yellowstone.

I heard that's amazing, too. That's good, too. I heard they're all amazing. That Taylor Sheridan's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker, I got to say. He's a bad motherfucker. Tulsa King is also dope. Have you seen that one? I've heard it's amazing too. That's good too. I heard they're all amazing. Yeah. Taylor Sheridan's a bad motherfucker. He's a bad motherfucker, I gotta say. He's a bad motherfucker. Tulsa King is also dope. Have you seen that one?

I've heard it's great. I've heard it's great. I haven't seen it. You know, I thought it was gonna be corny when I first saw it. When I saw the trailers for it, I'm like, oh, what's he doing? Sylvester's still on a mobster in Oklahoma. And he's fucking killing it. He's fucking killing it, I gotta tell you.

And the storyline is hilarious that's great yeah beautiful tulsa king bro i can't think of tulsa and king when i'm thinking of tiger king yeah when i think of oklahoma and tiger that guy man i had a run though genuinely hoping trump was gonna pardon him he got close because i think it'd be so crazy he got close pardoned him that would have been one of the wildest that would would have been one of the wildest fuck yous. Yeah. Like of all the shit. Because how crazy is a presidential pardon?

How crazy is it that there's a thing that if you become president, you can decide that you're going to take a person who's in jail for the rest of their life and go, nope, not anymore, Frank. Now you're out in the streets. What'd you do, Bobby? You sold cocaine? Well, don't you feel bad? Good. You're free. You could do that if you're president, which is crazy.

How many pardons do they get to issue out? That's a good question. I don't know if there's a quota. I don't know if there's a cap on it. Because they all do at least one. Oh, they do a lot. Yeah, but what is the quota? How many do they get to pardon?

I think they do like... What's the most anyone's ever done? I'd like to know that. If there is a cap, I'd like to know if everybody hits the cap. Among the president's power is broad. It is not without accepted limitations. Perhaps the most important that the president can only pardon federal offenses. He cannot interfere with state prosecutions.

Oh, so anything federal. So he's unlimited in terms of if there is a federal issue, he could issue a pardon. Is there a limit to presidential pardons? What is the only exception to the president's pardon power under the constitution the president's clemency power extends to all federal criminal offenses except in cases of impeachment so an impeachment okay but so so if you're so if the president told me created a did a state crime he can't do shit for him but if it's a federal crime he could totally say yeah i'm gonna give you this get out of jail

free card that's wild that's wild it's wild that a one man can have that much power yeah that's so crazy and you know like what's different than state and federal is that state you can get released early based off of what you do in that time if you you're an ideal inmate, you know, working and educating yourself and, you know, good behavior, right. As they call it, you might be able to cut some of your time off in state time,

but fed federal time, you do pretty much 95% of it. There is no splicing that time down. So realistically, you want that card. If you're creating federal crimes out there, you want the president to have that card for you. Could you imagine the amount of text message

Donald Trump got before he left office? To those particular guys? Pardon my cousin. Yeah. Pardon my friend's boss. Pardon this guy. How many people did... Ooh, look at this. Barack Obama pardoned one thousand nine hundred and twenty seven people. He seems like he's got the most of the most. Trump only had two hundred thirty seven. Huh? So that was close. It was two hundred thirty seven loyal people. They were so loyal, these people. So it seems like Obama had the most. But you know what, man?

How many people are in jail for the wrong reasons? Too many. How many people are in jail for bullshit? How many people are in jail under false crimes, crimes they didn't commit? A lot. A lot. Turns out a lot. A lot.

They're still figuring out how they let some of these people out that they were supposed to let out for cannabis in some of the states where it's legal. That's why the Last Prisoner Project exists, so that they can go and help those folks in those states. I believe that if it wasn't, let's say, a violent crime attached to it, obviously they're trying to get a lot of these people out. Because I think if you got obviously a violent crime attached to your cannabis charge, they're not just letting you out. You've got to deal with whatever that is. But anything that was just cannabis related possession and that didn't have any of that. I mean, they're trying to get a young kid and I want to say he's 20, 21 years old and he sold weed to this undercover cop a couple times and then they got him for selling more than an ounce and because he had a prior with something else like an assault but that he did his time.

Here, a South Phoenix kid got 16 years in a slammer for one ounce of weed. So 16 years, they're punishing him for this. And now weed's legal in Phoenix. So this dude is now in a jail for selling something to an undercover cop who kind of, like, come on, man. The undercover cop thing is so if we knew the cops were just 100 honest all the time yeah maybe but you're allowing cops to like professionally lie and go undercover to try to buy weed from a kid yeah like what are you wasting my tax dollars on motherfucker they got nothing better to do isn't there like someone stealing

cars or breaking into houses out there you can go handle why the fuck are you bothering this dude selling little bags of weed for a little extra money yeah and to be able to put that guy in a cage for 16 years while there's legal stores there now in the same place yeah insanity yeah i mean it's insanity yeah and he's he's one of those cases that they should look at, you know, with the last prisoner project. They should look at a case like that and be like, okay, we're going to rally behind a guy like this. Because, I mean. The problem is he's not even wrongly accused. The problem is the law as applied.

That's fucking horrendous to do that to a 21 year old kid to give him 16 years for selling an ounce and a half of weed or whatever it was yeah jesus christ yeah it's it's crazy man that's why people gotta you know people gotta make the change they can't depend on politicians for this you know what i mean like get get the group of people that will go out there and do the work and put this on the state legislation and legalize it or decriminalize it in your state so that shit like that does not happen. Yeah. And it's legal in Arizona. It's legal now where this guy's in jail. So it's so insane.

Yeah. It's so insane. jail so it's so insane yeah it's so insane and you know i mean you go on and on about it but like how many people have their lives ruined for no fucking reason yeah no logical reason it doesn't make any sense at all well you know when you think about that half of the politicians out there and legislators and you know some even in the entertainment entertainment industry you know they're invested in private prisons they want to keep them prisons full yeah there's a little bit of that that so there's there's uh that part too so you know a lot of things a lot of laws to to a lot of folks in different places are unfair, especially as it relates to cannabis.

Well, what's really wild is there's this massive history of human usage, right? It goes back thousands and thousands of years. And then in the 1930s, they decide to do this propaganda campaign against weed. And they do Reefer Madness. Reefer Madness, yeah. And all these fucking movies that show people smoking pot and going crazy and losing their fucking minds and just lets you know This is gonna take hold of your children, so they turn this thing that everybody had always used into this new drug Yeah, and they called it marijuana and you know as well as I know that's not the root

That's a name for a wild Mexican tobacco Yeah You know, as well as I know, that's the name for a wild Mexican tobacco. Yeah. They came up with a name and attached it to cannabis, which people had always used. And they turned it into this scary thing. Yeah. And then they told farmers, like, you could still grow it for hemp, but all this weed smoking shit, this is over, kids. We're going to make this illegal. You're going to need a tax stamp for that hemp.

And these fucking, they figured out a way to get people to believe that this thing that people had taken forever was fucking dangerous and ruining lives and that propaganda from the 1930s from those movies still works today yeah the momentum of it it it raised our grandparents our grandparents raised our parents it's it's in us and it's like the dumbest the dumbest shit it's true fortunately it stopped at our parents like a lot of people got open after that and actually turned their parents on because like when you go into dispensaries now you see cats our age right and obviously younger people but you see seniors up in there as well, whether they're in there for edibles or they're going to smoke flour or even concentrates,

which trips me out. But the old folks get down with that. But you see it. And fortunately, that's because there's a lot of information out there now that if you're not sure about that propaganda that you grew up to, you can always now do your own diligence and do your own homework and find other articles based on cannabis that will tell you positive things. And this is things they've never realized or thought of or heard before. And it opens up their world now it's it's not enough

of them because i think if if it was you know if it was common knowledge amongst everybody that this is a healing plant and aside from casual use it it can benefit people more people would embrace it um and you see that happening but it's just slow for some reason still everything slow man Because we were like we were talking about before I think people have preconceived notions that they don't want to dismiss They don't want to let go of even when they're confronted with new evidence They want to like still stay now weed is for losers which for goddamn loser or gateway. Yeah, it's a goddamn gateway drug Yeah, listen, mr. Be, you might be able to do it, but what if my son starts doing ketamine

afterwards and fighting with the cops? Kicking out back windows. Kicking out back windows barefoot. Like Kenny Loggins. Footloose. I would say one of his friends turned him on to the ketamine. It doesn't have anything to do with weed.

It's got nothing to do with weed. but the idea that you couldn't go from alcohol to cocaine is so stupid Of course you could is that a gateway to coke because I know a lot of people who drink and they do coke Yeah, it's like it's those things are this one doesn't create the other stupid. You know what it is is great way drug people and Your own choices are the gateway yeah not this or that that's what's important right the people you hang with yeah you can hang with some people that will buy some street coke and put you in a coma that's right yeah i mean and imagine like they're the ones who live right and your your friends you know you were that you were the the party provider and

a couple your friends are now gone i mean to deal with that and it's happening all over the country yeah it's the you know what is it a hundred thousand people now a year somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred thousand people die i I mean, you think about how many folks that are just the average Joes that are on the everyday, and then you think about the celebrities that have been taken by the shit. So in 2021, it's 70,601 people died from a fentanyl overdose in the U.S. Holy shit. That figure is up 25% from 2020.

Did you see that news story last week where they seized a shipment that had enough fentanyl to kill every American in the United States? That was the story. I did see that. That was crazy. That was the story. I did see that. That was crazy. Deaths involving synthetic opioids other than methadone, primarily fentanyl,

continued to rise with 56,516 overdose deaths reported in 2020. So it just keeps going up. Yeah, man. So it's nearly double the amount of fentanyl overdoses in 2020 in 2019 in 2020 that should scare the shit out of coke heads but you know some of them are not phased by this wild that's wild so between what did it say between 2019 and 2021 it doubled the amount of deaths is that what it said up 25 but from what was the one that it said afterwards is it double the time before that what was the last quote Can you put it back up There up and is nearly doubled the yeah, that's what I'm or does okay

So that's what I'm saying so that figures up from 25% of 2020 and nearly double the amount of fentanyl overdose deaths in 2019 that's crazy that's that look at the peak look at the spike if you look at the graph it's going up that's crazy wow jesus christ that's what's so sketchy about illegality. You know, I hate to fucking beat a dead horse. And some of it is not even coke. Some of it is the pills. Like, because now, you know, they're, like, putting it in the pills and shit like that.

Yeah, they're putting in fake stuff. Like, you get a fake Xanax that has that in it. You can get a, you know, fake Ambien that has that in it. Yeah, man. People whose doctors won't prescribe them stuff anymore. Like, like bro if your doctor is saying no to you yeah doctors are like happy to what are you in pain yeah you need something here let me write you this shit up there you go i'll hook you up pal hey i gotta say man thank you for coming and doing the smoke box my pleasure people loved it was fun i got way too high though the thing about

be real is he takes you and him and his guys you get high before you even get in that stupid box you get in the smoke box you're already barbecued and there's no air in that room it's all just weed and i was i was sitting there going oh my god i could barely form sentences i think we did have the windows up that's what we did have the windows we don't we don't have the windows up anymore we have this sheer that goes down so a little bit of smoke but you guys go so hard before the show even said look at me look how close my eyes are i can't even see did he get see that's E-Zone back there. Did he give you a dab before you went in?

I don't remember. I remember just being obliterated. Because I remember having to tell him like, hey, man, I'll be giving our guests dabs before they get in the box, man. They're not going to make it through it. I don't think I did. He did it to Doug Benson, bro. Oh, my God. Doug was devastated. I mean, at first I thought it was a bit, right?

I thought Doug was, like, giving me the bit, right? But it was high as fuck. Like, when I left, I left hours later, right? I'm rolling down the street. I see Doug reclined in his front seat of his car, just low, chilling there. Like, he had to actually take a pause before he left. Of course. Yeah, you better. Yeah. You don't want to actually take a pause before he left. Of course. Yeah, you better.

Yeah. You don't want to be shaky while you're out there driving your Tesla. Oh, man. Yeah, he was definitely affected. Stay put. Stay put. Let that wear off. Take a walk around the block.

Don't get in a fucking car. Take a little walk. Don't get in the car. Don't try to drive. Yeah, take a little walk. Don't get in the car. Don't try to drive you know because I've smoked out with Doug before and He took a hit of our like eight-footer. We were doing a show with sublime with Rome somewhere can't remember it, but this was like a tour we did with them and

One show we we specific with it was towards the end of the tour We broke out the bong and Rome wanted to hit it and I think yeah, that's it right there It was made by roar and Rome wanted to hit it because he had seen me hit it with Doug and You know we took we took a hit of that bong and Rome had to like He had he had to leave the party for a while and collect himself. That looks ridiculous. That's just too much.

That bong right there is too much. That's too much. I'll be honest with you. When Bobo started hitting it, I stopped hitting it. I was like, I used that as a... No, no, well, Bobo wants to hit it. Let him do it. Look at the size of that thing.

Well, yeah. It's a thick tube all the way down. Is that glass? Yeah. So that's a delicate piece of instrument right there. Yeah, it's almost been crushed a couple times. That one's like a six foot four. A six foot four piece of glass.

That's really delicate, isn't it? That one right there you could break down. You see in the- Oh, there's segments to it? Yeah, there's segments to it. Roar made it so we could break it down. But this one over here too- What do you put in like a fucking-

Yeah, we had a road case for it. Oh, wow. So we would just shuffle it off. Road case. But the other one that's where I'm lighting it for Eric Bobo, I think it's further down, just a little bit further down. Where was it now where he's standing on a box it's an eight foot piece that's one long ass piece there's no

you know we didn't have a case for that one that one and we still have both of them neither of them is broken fortunately fantastic job when they ask for our hall of Fame piece, we'll be like, here, put this in. It made it. Yeah. Hey, man, those two bongs toured as long as any one person toured with us, man. And they lived. That's incredible. That shows the deep respect you guys have for the bongs.

This one here. That one's ridiculous. Yeah, that's an eight-footer made by Zong. How many pieces is that? That's just one piece. That's insane. How do you carry that around? Very carefully.

Each town? You have one in storage in each town? We used to have to put it in the bunk area of the bus and tape it to the edges of the floor so that nobody... And that's all glass? That's all glass, yeah. Wow. We took that thing around with us for like 10 years and it never broke, fortunately. It sits in my studio now. How many kids have used plastic bongs and inhaled some fucking weird shit through the plastic?

Oh, man. I mean, I think we all started that way. I mean, like the first bongs that we were hitting that I remember were the acrylic um graphic bongs yeah graphics you know another thing i remember is we used to smoke out of pipes and i was like why does this always taste like lighter fluid i realized i'm inhaling lighter fluid you fucking idiot because you always look and then and then those were fucking like metal pieces yeah like no what none of us had really we didn't know no we just had really, we didn't know. No.

We just didn't know. We didn't know. Now we know. Now we know. Yeah, look at this plastic bong. For sure, you're getting some fucking, all that stuff

that Shanna Swan talks about, all the phthalates and everything. It's a metal bowl. Filtered through water. Acrylic plastic bong, whatever. Don't you think

that some heat gets to the base of that plastic being the close proximity to the fire? And Don't you think that some heat gets to the base of that plastic, being the close proximity to the fire? And don't you think that would affect the way the plastic leaches into the water? I'm here for a natural, healthy bong experiment.

I mean, it could, but... I think you should be worrying about that scenario. It could, but I think what they used for the downstem was... You know, it's hard to say. It's hard to say. I think they they used for the downstem was, you know, it's hard to say. I don't know. It's hard to say. I think they used a glass downstem.

Wow. So it sort of had a little bit of separation. But, yeah, I mean, it got way better when the bong started being made of glass. Yeah. It was just a better experience. You're not supposed to be sucking on plastic all day. Nah. It just seems very dorm room too oh man what's it what's Jerome Baker came out with his crazy ass pieces man it just blew the

whole glass piece world up we fucked up many a podcast early in the day because we use the volcano we would do these podcasts on I'd use the volcano. We would do these podcasts on the volcano right next to us. We would fill that bag up. If you don't know what a volcano is, folks, it's a vaporizer. And you put the weed in over this heating element and it blows smoke. It blows the smoke. It's like a mist, actually, not the smoke. it heats it to a specific temperature that melts the thc crystals but doesn't burn the flour and so then it all goes into this bag this mist it's a giant ass bag and you yeah those are the best and you go deep you go but sometimes you go too deep you don't know what the fuck you're talking about while you're talking yeah like while you're talking

you're trying to figure out what you're saying because you're too high. It's a good blast. And the flavor's good. Yes. Have you tried- Very relaxing. It's not harsh at all. Yeah.

Have you tried using the Stundon glass? Have you ever seen that? No, what's that? It's a gravity piece you could use for flour or concentrate. We use it for concentrate, right? And Seth Rogen was the first guy that anybody's seen with it they sent him a piece and it's this one whoa he was the first one with it but we did a collaboration with these guys but you flip each flip pushes out a hit right and you could do hookah

with it or you can do flour with it but again we we use it for um we use it for concentrates because the taste that comes out of it is crazy. But what we'll do on our show is like the first 30 minutes, we try to have a no curse rule, right? And it's just for sport. So whoever curses got to either do a shot or five flips from the stumbling. Five? Oh, man. One day I did. Oh, no.

One day I ramped up and had to do 30 hits because i was just oh no out of pocket that that first 15 minutes i was like fuck this shit that bro out of pocket is one of the greatest statements ever i love that statement i love when people say out of pocket yeah i've never confidently said out of pocket we could do that for the next protect our parks i'll bring it dude that's what we're doing whoever gets fucked up let's go champ you know who's not gonna do it is shane shane gets scared of the weed too bad he's a bud light man he likes to get barbecued so you guys drink bud lights and if he any penalty he has he's gonna have to go yeah and a it works i tell you that day i was

so blown out by the end of the show when i got got home, I was like, it hit me later. It didn't hit me while we're sitting there doing the show. It got me when I got home. I was sitting there, and I don't go to sleep until like 11, 30, 12 o'clock, something like that. And by 10 o'clock, I was like, I'm struggling. And I knew it was from the 30 hits. 30 hits is so crazy.

That's so deep. Yeah, we punish each other like this. What is that one on the right? Beverage? So they made an infuser so that you could smoke the drink. Oh, my God. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Don't do it. You know what I fucked up once? This weed shop near my house had those Keurig cups. Their coffee, it was coffee mixed with hash oil. Oh, man. Dude, I would drink a cup of coffee and not even notice and almost kind of forget that it had the hash oil in it. And then an hour later, I'm reading minds.

An hour later, I'm like seeing intentions in people. I'm feeling tenseness and relaxation. I'm like, whoa, this is so strong. Edibles are so fucking strong. Yeah, they are, man. You got to like be looking at the milligrams on the package per piece. Yeah. Like for us, we've been doing like RSO and full spectrum hemp oil.

Like for me, I use it for sleep right because i i never for me i've been in an insomniac forever so like it's it it's hard for me to get full REM sleep right do you take something to go to sleep every night i never did but my boy put me onto the full spectrum oil and because i always thought oh well i smoke weed what do i need that for but it's different it's different man uh so he told me because most of the time they come in in the syringes i'm sure you've seen them um there's the the amber color ones which are it's full spectrum hemp oil full spectrum oil but it's pressed right right that's that's how it's it's uh extracted and that's why it looks amber the The one that's darker is through alcohol.

And so that one, when you see the syringe, it looks dark. It looks ugly, but it's effective. So they tell you, if you're using it for medical purposes, eventually you want to get to the full syringe. This is like weed steroids. Right. Like when you're using it, like so cancer patients,

when they're starting to use this, they tell them to use like, you know, they go with micro dosage, right? So like a kernel, a rice kernel. And you work your way up, your tolerance, you work your way up to eventually being able

to take the whole syringe. But that's when you're, you know're using it for a treatment for cancer and other serious things. For us, I'm using it for sleep, right? I was doing the kernel, and I said, okay, I could feel it, but I don't really feel it, feel it. So I went up in dosage, right? And I started going up a little bit and one one day i really did it to myself right like i keep them in the fridge to keep them you know fresh and stuff like that but they're a little bit hard to get through the syringe because it's oil

so it like you know it's a little you gotta warm it up for it to like go through the syringe quicker because i put them in gel caps but this was before i started putting them in gel caps right so i'm like about to hit myself with the dose right and i'm pushing a little bit harder than i should boom the whole damn thing goes in and i was on for the ride and but i tell you i had the best sleep of my life and that's when i was like okay maybe i'll just take a little bit more so i start putting like 400 to 500 milligrams in the gel caps and i'm popping them and i'm like full sleep but you have to time them out proper for me

the way they hit me is i could take the rso and like let's just say 7 p.m and i'll start feeling it around 11 11 30 and then by the time i go to sleep boom i'm i'm good if i take it at nine i don't feel it i'll go to sleep it'll hit me around three in the morning and wake me the fuck up and say i'm here like the RSO has arrived you'll go back to sleep but when you wake up you're gonna be high all that morning like I don't need I didn't even need to smoke the morning that that happened I was like I didn't want to touch a joint I was still so fucking high that I was like that's one of the problems these kids today they're going too hard and

they're gonna come up with a way to make it even more powerful You know they are those psycho botanists are out there. Oh, yeah fucking with the flowers. Oh, yeah I don't know what the real numbers are because they say there was always really strong weed back in the day You just had to get really strong weed, but there's a lot of wack weed. Yeah, now there's no wack weed There's very little wack weed. I mean it's still out there, but you would have to find it You gotta go looking for yeah, You got to go looking for it. Yeah, you got to go looking for it. They started selling a milder weed for some folks.

I've seen that where people say, I just want a light weed. Do you know anything that's light? Yeah. This is mild THC, which is probably strong. You don't want to sell everybody moonshine. Yeah, because everybody gets, well, people that ain't used to it, that they don't have the tolerance yet, they catch the anxieties and have a bad experience. And then they don't want it again.

And your bud tenders have to know this. Bud tenders? Yeah. At the dispensaries, your bud tenders have to know this to explain this to somebody. Like, you know, ask them questions. Is this your first time at a dispensary? What are you, you know, how are you looking to feel? You know what I mean? And ask the proper questions. Is this your first time at a dispensary? What do you, you know, how are you looking to feel like, what do you,

you know what I mean? Ask the proper questions. Right. So that you don't blow this person out. Right. And ruin the experience. And maybe if they're taking it because they don't want to do pharmaceuticals and they,

they want to try using it in, you know, for medicinal purposes, you don't want to like push them away from that because they're looking at this for an alternative and if you're just trying to blow them out and get them high and you're not even focused in on what they're there for i mean you lost someone you know what i mean so it's it's all boils down to education and and the willingness to do that yeah for sure.

You got to train some of these, like a lot of these dispensaries train their bud tenders in this, you know, like. Yeah, there should be some sort of a certificate that you have to earn to know what the fuck. You can't over prescribe. Yeah. You can't, you got to understand like sober people too, who've never tried it before. It's like, oh, the dispenser, it's legal now. Why don't I try it? And they go in there.

You don't blow their fucking head off in one shot. And most people, like if the bud tender is not educated in this way or just doesn't give a fuck and it's just a job and you're not even really a smoker yourself, they'll do that to somebody. Oh, no. Because either they don't know or just they don't funsies yeah they don't care what would you tell someone if they had never if they were sane no mental health problems never tried any edibles before we say like 10 milligrams 10 milligrams that's good right yeah that's that's perfect that's like because they're gonna feel it but it's not gonna be overwhelming why it's a comforting little hug from marijuana.

Like, hey, friend. When you get used to that, bump it up to 20, you know? Yeah, 20, though, can get slippery. Yeah, 20 can get slippery. That's why you've got to build your tolerance to that. I remember they used to have those breast strips. Remember the breast strips? Yeah.

Bro. Bro. I took one with Tommy Tom Segura and he was almost going to tell by the time the plane was taken off he was already gone and he was almost going to tell him to stop the plane he wanted to get off

he said he was fighting the earth to tell him to stop the plane I'm like oh my god thank god you didn't imagine if you go I gotta get off this plane if you're fucking just feeling sometimes people are this plane. If you fucking just feel it. Oh, man. Because sometimes people are that close to losing it. Yeah.

But by the time we landed, wherever the fuck we were going, I think we were going to New York. By the time, somewhere it was a long flight. By the time we landed, he was okay. Yeah. But it was, you know, he was like, dude. He looked over at me. He goes, that was touch and go. I almost told him to stop the plane.

I go, no. You could go to the uncomfortable levels. This is for sure. I've been there. Meanwhile, I was on a plane once, and I gave some to John Jones, and he took two of them and just smiled. I go, don't take both of them at once. He goes, oh, my God damn it, John Jones.

We were all just on that plane, but John was smiling. But I guess when you're the baddest motherfucker on earth, what do you got to worry about? What do you got to worry about? He's having the time of his life. Hey, you think that fight's going to happen with him? Yes, with Cyril Gunn. Man, that's going to be something. That's in March.

Yeah, I'm sad that he's not fighting Francis Ngannou, but I'm happy he's fighting Cyril Gunn. I'm happy to see him back, and I'm happy to see that fight. That's a legit heavyweight who's a dynamic striker. That Cyril Gan guy is fucking deadly. He's sick with it, man. He's so good as a striker. Yeah. His striking is so beautiful.

Have you watched that knockout of Tai Tuivasa? Yeah. Did you see that fight? Yeah. Dude. Ridiculous. Dude, those combination. And Tai Tuivasa was throwing hammers, too.

I mean, it was, I mean, Ty was firing back too. And for a big guy, he's light on his feet. Very light on his feet. He can move. His footwork is really good. It's very different. He's very different than any other heavyweight in the UFC. Yeah.

He's really light on his feet, and he attacks a lot with his front leg. He stabs you in the stomach with his front leg. Yeah. He does it from a weird stance too. He stands sideways, and then when he throws his front kick It's almost like a twisting kick right like it twists out and stabs you in the stomach So he's totally sideways, but he could still front kick. It's almost like a karate type of

Technique or something right in Taekwondo. They had a twisting kick. Yeah, you do it like that It was very not very many people got yeah Yeah, it's outward. Yeah. Yeah, but with yeah, it's it's an outward yeah it's an outward yeah yeah but with yeah it's it's a weird twist but i know you can land it guys have landed it and knock people out with it it's just it's awkward yeah we're you're because you're throwing a kick instead of throwing it up and straight you're throwing it at a right angle yeah right leg but um he hits people in the stomach with that that's crazy he does it all the time and he's the only one i've ever seen do it so like if you were in training camp with him you'd probably have to adjust to that like oh shit like when

someone has like a really good front leg it can fuck a lot of people up and as a heavyweight he's probably like one of the best front legs ever yeah it's it's gonna be interesting fight because because the way john attacks with on that front leg too yeah Yeah. Yeah, John's very good at chopping at those legs. Yeah, the unorthodox kicks he lays down every now and then. Also, John's wrestling is out of this world. He took down Daniel Cormier. That's all you need to know. Yeah.

He took down Daniel Cormier. I mean. That's a big fucking deal. He's the baddest motherfucker out there. That's what they say, right? I'm just so curious to see him come back because you got to think three years out, you know, building up his frame,

becoming a heavyweight, doing it the right way, doing it slowly, getting accustomed to the extra mass. Do you feel like he's doing like what Evander Holyfield did before he became a heavyweight because Evander was a cruiserweight

before he became a heavyweight? Yeah, I believe Evander worked, did he work with Mackie Shillstone or was that the guy who worked with Leon Spinks? There's a famous fitness trainer who worked with them. Who bulked him out. Who bulked Evander up and they did it hardcore. And a lot of people were criticizing it because in the old school boxing boxing mentality you weren't supposed to lift weights yeah because lifting weights would slow you down yeah and you know they they thought that wasn't correct and it was like now we know it's not correct but back then fighters didn't lift weights um he trained him too that's oh shit but i think i don't think it was just Lee Haney. There was this guy that he worked with that was famous. Fred Hatfield overhauled. Yeah.

So it looks like Lee Haney definitely helped him. Yeah. Lee Haney definitely helped him. And there was this other guy. And then there was another guy that did it with Michael Spinks, too. I think that was Mackie Shillstone. Same deal. Michael Spinks, who was a light heavyweight champion, went up and beat Larry Holmes.

That's right. And that's how they did it. It's crazy how they worked their way up like that because Evander, you know, he was in there fighting monsters. So was Mike. When you think about how big those guys were in comparison to the guys they were fighting. Dude, Mike against Prime was like 220. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, with Mike, would would people forget everybody remembers the knockouts everybody remembers the destruction but people don't remember is the head movement and the movement was extraordinary his footwork extraordinary work was crazy it was almost like like almost like a martial artist if you look at 100 like the way that his twitch muscle ability to like move his feet and shift. Almost like a guy who kicks. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Imagine if he had gotten in to MMA. He would destroy everybody. Oh my God. He would have destroyed everybody. There's certain guys that are just in their prime. If he had gone to an MMA school with Customato, like the same dude, but an MMA school. Yeah. like right now oh my god yeah oh my god greatest luck greatest ever dude good luck stopping the power double

from mike tyson good luck stopping that fucking guillotine good luck stopping those leg kicks you know what's crazy is guys like him are just different like the way shack is different like a lot of the nba centers they they can't move around like that, dude. Right, for being so big. Yeah, for being so big. I mean, he was into martial arts, he was into break dancing, and you gotta be agile for that.

Oh, yeah. And athletic. And guys like that with that kind of ability, man, they're just, it's different. Dude, a lot of break dancers are crazy strong we had a big influx of break dancers into jujitsu a while back with the martinez brothers yeah my friends richie and geo they were these um crazy break dancers they can do wild shit with their body spin around their hands and all that wild shit that those guys do requires incredible strength

and body control and when those guys got into jujitsu man they excelled so quickly because even though they look like regular people like they got strength yeah they've got crazy farmer strength oh yeah it's that far it's like real similar yeah there's this guy from france his name is b-boy junior right and this dude like amazes people with the type of strength he's got. He's got this move where he could lift his back legs and they're moving. And he's on his fingertips. You know how people do those three-finger push-ups?

Yeah. He's lifting his whole damn body up off the ground. And it's amazing. People are like, is this dude alien or what? What is his name? B-Boy Jr. Here he goes. Jamie's amazing. People are like, is this dude alien or what? What is his name? B-Boy Jr. Here he goes. Jamie's fine.

Look at this guy. Oh, my God. How? Look at that. So what we're looking at is a guy who goes, he goes from lying on his stomach to pulling his body weight off the fingertips and going into a standing handstand. Watch that again. How? tips and going into a standing handstand.

Watch that again. How much strength is involved in doing that? And then throws his legs all the way back backwards until they almost touch the ground and spins around. There's this one clip where he looks like Patrick Beverly, but he does the wildest move. Dude, if this guy got into jujitsu, he would dominate people. Guaranteed. He would dominate. He would get good at it so quick

yeah look at this guy look look just to have that kind of physical ability with your body look at this you know look at that oh my god he held that insane insane insane yeah and i mean it's more extreme even than like yoga but like a lot of jiujitsu guys after Hickson, they got into yoga. Hickson was like the first guy that was like really into yoga that was also like a jujitsu champion. He was doing different things, man. Yeah, man, he was super agile. And he was doing this workout in Santa Monica,

and I think it's on, there's a video of him on the beach, and he's doing like rings and balance bars, and he's doing like a and balance bars and he's doing like a standing split on a balance bar and he's a professional strangulation artist right after oh my god one finger this one this this is the what look at that that's insane like i did too he's like it's not that hard well he did it for a second that dude held it Yeah the way he can hold His moves man he's just crazy The agility is insane

But that's a thing That people don't appreciate enough about breaking They think about break dancing as like silly kids Out there with their music Spinning around on their butts No no no no no no Go to Stance Elements Instagram page You'll see like the greatest ones that are doing it today.

I think it's amazing that they're finally making that an Olympic sport. They should. I mean, they should. These guys are incredible. Look, this is the one I'm talking about. This is the one I'm talking about. Incredible. Look at this.

We're looking at a guy standing on his hands with his feet like parallel to the floor behind him Look at the fact that he can do that. This is insane It is crazy. I mean you have to be so physically elite to be able to pull that off and It's a sport. Yeah, people had connected it to like their athletes being yeah, they are athletes They're they're they're entertainment athletes. you know i mean like let me ask you this when did they when did that happen i believe um it's it's slated to go into the olympics for this next run but when did these guys become this athletic oh because it didn't used to always be like that right i think as as every every art form evolves yeah i think they just started

challenging themselves and trying different things and seeing what um cats were doing on the gymnastic floor yeah like trying to like figure out how do i develop these new moves and stuff like that and just trying to take it to a new level and i think they they discovered within that that they could do these power type moves as a part of it because you didn't see a lot of the freezing that you see now where he's pausing and holding that up you know it was all about the movement on the floor like the spins to the head the hands and you know up up top when you're doing a 1990 or whatever you see a lot of that in the combinations but now you're seeing more strength

along with those combinations. It's a mixture of the combinations you see of the aerial moves or the floor moves into a power move that he did on his fingers like that. That's the shit they're adding now. Before, it was all just combinations. There was no power style moves like that that existed. i don't know where it came from man i just

i just know that like you you see the way that they do this they just they the fact that they they kept it going there was no place to go but evolve and do some different things and what were you just showing us jamie had polio when he was a kid. That same guy? Yeah. What? He's turned his disability into an advantage, he says. He said he contracted polio when he was three years old.

The difference between me and the other kids became evident when I realized that I couldn't run as fast as them, but I'd never given in. I focused on sports like table tennis and boxing. And when I played football, I was the goalkeeper. Whenever people would make me feel like I couldn't do something I worked extra hard to prove them wrong and then he became this freak street dancer that's unbelievable that's that that's that human spirit that's unbelievable because that what he can do is insane yeah doesn't even make sense

like you just go hot where how do you how someone move their body? Would you get this you go all the way back and then forward like that's yeah, but those guys those guys got into jiu-jitsu Man, oh, yeah, woof wrestling. Yeah, jiu-jitsu any of that. Yeah Their abilities are crazy and you know, it's great that they're finally getting recognized for that like by you know, putting them in into The Olympics. Yeah, I'm wearing, you know putting them in into the olympics yeah somewhere you know oh for sure i mean it's so wild to watch too it's so easily recognizable how impressive it is it's not like you have to know anything like you know you just watch what they're doing physically and you're like oh my god yeah there's a lot of great great guys um doing this right now

there's this dude named b-boy Pocket from South Korea. Oh, yeah. We've talked about him on the podcast. Oh, man. Insane. He is crazy. I put him on my Instagram page. It doesn't even make sense. His legs look like baseball bats just whipping around when he does his moves.

It's crazy. Yeah. Pull up some of that dude's stuff. His stuff is, it doesn't even make sense, like how he's able to move his body. It's like he's defying gravity. Yeah yeah how do you not put this in the olympics look how he's spinning around without without his feet touching the ground yeah that's insane he's on his fingertips it's nuts like the kind of strength involved in something like that is that even it just spun around his head 30 times he's gonna wear a bald spot on his head for sure right 100 he's fucked yeah

dude you're gonna wear your head out hey this guy he's he's got he's got so much ferocity in his moves man like like when you see other people do these combos they're not as fast no as as his it's crazy the way he does it almost seems impossible it's like if I saw this and I would assume this is animated I'm like this is AI. This is like an AI person people can't move like that It's like when you see a 3d, you know a CGI kung fu movie and someone's flying through the air Yeah, that's what that looks like. You think it's like it outside the realm of the possible for humans. It looks like it's effects Yeah, that's how good that guy is. It's crazy It's crazy because that that art form really did sort of emerge from,

when was the first break dancers? Was it in the late 80s? I think it was 70. First break dancers? The first break dancers were 77, maybe 78. Really? Between 78 and 79, maybe. I don't know.

I know it's late 70s. Okay. Into the 80s. If you look at this movie called Wild Style, it documents that. And there's another one, I think, called Style Wars that documents that. I don't know when those came out. But I know that it's been around from the late 70s, right at the birth of like the when they used to throw the the parties at the park and in uh i think it's the bronx and in the other boroughs like queens there was cats getting

down back then it just wasn't documented interesting and so what kind of music were they dancing to back then i think it was breaks like from like when they explain it in some of the hip-hop documentaries is that guys like uh cool herc and in grandmaster flash and the other djs that were like the the kings of of the boroughs and the djs they were taking like r&b records that had breaks that were like like you know to them that was the best part of the song all the all the rest was shit but this part is dope so they would go and find these breaks and cut these breaks in the party and people would dance to these breaks and then you know b-boy the b-boy shit was birthed from that look at this this

dude is doing this in 1898. He's a headspin. That's crazy. He's going to do a headspin. Oh, shit. But how do we know that that's the first time anybody did that? How do we know that, like, Court Jester didn't do that? It could have been. It could be anybody.

But it's the music they're doing. Look at his body control. Oh, my God. This guy's body control is insane. One of them contortionists. But, no, just the ability to go back and forth like that. Yeah. You have to be so strong to be able to do that.

So that was 1898? That was 1898. It says 1877. There's a quote of a young man quite alone who was practicing over and over the most inexplicable leap in the air. He swung himself up and then round on his hand for a point when his upper leg described a great circle. Wow. I guess that's the same thing. So that was breaking too.

Well, it makes sense that people have tried to move that way. But moving that way to music in an organized setting like these breakdancing events, that's what's really cool about it. That's the emerging thing, and that's what's interesting to me is I like watching people get better at stuff. I like watching early ones like even that guy as impressive as he was if he saw b-boy pocket kim he'd be like what the fuck are you doing oh yeah like how are you moving like that

yeah even the guy from 1898 could do wild shit that i can't do yeah he would be blown away and it's probably gonna be i mean where where can they Like, how much better can they get at that? Yeah, it's one of those things where they just got to try to innovate new moves. The way Tony Hawk would innovate when he brought out the 900, right? Right. And guys like that, they're constantly pushing to create a different combination, different move that no one's seen or a freeze or a strength move like like that guy with the two fingers and he's like stuck like that and i mean you know to top that some guy could probably hold it for half a second but holding it as long as he did

you know you got to come up with something to top that because like how do you top that how do you top that yeah you got to be as strong if not stronger and come up with something completely different which you know they managed to do yeah if you just like let them be creative they'll come up with new stuff yeah just to over time one guy figures out a move another guy figures out a better way to do that move and then they're all innovating and feed off each other yeah it's amazing art form i love watching it i watch it on instagram all the time yeah man it's it's it's a combination of athletics and art it's like gym gymnastics it's it's almost the same thing i mean you're running around to a routine and and doing the flips and the tumbles and and all that stuff and you know they work they work their floor routine to the music yeah and same thing with

the the figure skating and all that stuff i mean break dancing is just as incredible if not more oh yeah just as incredible easily figure skating is pretty nuts yeah it is i mean i'm not interested in trying it but look we're fucking insane like spinning through the air and landing on your skates and sliding around i mean that is 100% of sport hours of work yeah to work to get any of that down. But you got to think, the guys that do the B-boy shit, it takes them hours to get all that down and to get those moves down and get those combinations down and having the strength

to actually pull it all off. I'm just glad that they're finally getting theirs because it's a great art form that was you know Derived from hip-hop and to see it now. It's like a world sport. It's pretty dope. That's dope. It is dope Yeah, it's just amazing that we watched it watched emerge, you know also with hip-hop, right? Yeah, you know I remember when I was a kid when Sugarhill Gang first came out I was in middle school and i remember i was in the cafeteria and i was hearing to the hip hop hibbit to the hibbit to hip hop and i was like what is this yeah like wow this is crazy you know it's it's dope that they fought that they're that the grammys just recently

celebrated the 50 years of hip-hop because it's now the the birthday of hip hop this i guess this year yeah this month that uh it's been 50 years and yeah they left a lot of groups out but i thought the representation was pretty cool like that they started with the actual pioneers of of this you know and cn run dmC and Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five and Rakim and all those guys do their thing and be celebrated. That was kind of cool. Yeah, man.

People forget about like EPMD, some of the bangers they had. They had bangers. Public Enemy. Public Enemy looked really good when it came out with Chuck and Flav on that celebration. That was dope. And Busta Rhyme.

Yeah. He fucking killed it. I got to say. Yeah, it was pretty dope. You know who I love? I bring him up every time I can. Cool G Rap. Cool G Rap.

Dude, I loved that guy. He was one of my favorites. When I was a kid in the 90s when i just moved to new york that's when i found out about coogee rap oh man this dude he had one of the dopest rap styles i mean a lot of a lot of styles were birthed from his yes and and he don't get enough flowers on that as they say he was amazing but yeah funny raps too oh yeah cock blocking cock blocking is a funny funny song man that's a funny song he also did something with um the brand new heavies yeah did you ever hear that collaboration

yeah i believe i did i don't remember the name the brand new heavies did a collaboration with a lot of hip-hop artists and uh they did one of them with cool g rap one of the songs was because so it's like you got the brand new heavies music but then cool G heavy rhyme experience that's right this is fucking badass dude listen to this people forgot about Cool G rap They forget How you forget about those guys Give me a little bit more of that

He was amazing, man. Hey, man. He was one of the baddest in that time when he came out. Him, Big Daddy Kane, LL, and Rakim. Those guys were the sickest in their style flips, man. Yeah. Yeah. Coochie's rap, man.

One of the baddest. It was a great time. That's a great time for rap. I mean, think about 90s for hip-hop. Think about all the artists that came, Nas and Wu-Tang. Yeah. How many great artists came out of the 90s for hip-hop? So many, man.

My God. Brand Newbians. My God. They had some good shit. Man, there were so many. Tribe Called Quest, CL Smooth, and pete rock when did dead prez start i'm not sure of the year but i believe it was in the 90s though i'm not sure but there's so many ice tea started in the 80s right because he was a part of the original wave yeah i believe he was in 84 maybe 84 yeah i think 84 ice tea he was at

the grammys yeah he got yeah but it was really cool yeah he did really well too he did hustler nice and he looks sharp look at the man look at him look at him still going sharp bro hilarious that the guy who wrote a song called cop killer has been playing a cop on TV longer than any human being has ever done. The irony. The fucking irony. I love that. Remember when he was in Body Count? People forget that Ice-T is also a fan of heavy metal.

Yeah. What kind of metal would you call that? I think it's like punk and metal. I think he listened to both. I think he was listening to metal and metal. I think he listened to both. I think he was listening to metal and punk. But I think as it relates to body count, it's more, I don't know. It depends who you ask. Because some people would say it's punk and some people think it's more metal.

So he has that, but then he also has like 6 in the morning. Yeah. 6 in the morning was like classic. That's still a banger right now. That's a banger. You hear 6 in the Morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six in the Morning was like... That was a classic. Classic! That's still a banger right now. That's a banger. You hear Six in the Morning? Like, that just brings back memories. It was crazy.

The song that influenced that was from a rapper named Schoolie D based out of Philly. And he had a thing called PSK. And so that Six in the Morning was a play from PSK, which was actually the first gangster song in hip-hop. But the first West Coast gangster song was the 6 in the Morning. See, it's the same style beat. Yeah. And then he says a phrase that's kind of...

Yeah, Schoolie D was the shit. But this is where it was birthed. And then, you know, from six and... What year is this? 85. 85. Wow. I was a senior in high school.

I was 15. Bro, I'm old now. What the hell does that mean? Oh, yeah. All right, now give me 6 in the morning. Find iced tea 6 in the morning, please. And then after 6... We find Ice-T six in the morning, please.

And then after six. Gangster right there, I-S-T. And then birthed from that. Look at him, too. Then birthed from that, you get Cruisin' Down the Street and My 6'4". Yes. Which was a play off this. Oh, wow. That's similar.

Yeah. Yeah, that does have a similar beat. Wow. Hey, yo, man. You remember that shit Eazy did a while back? Motherfucker said it wasn't going to work. And it made a bust. Just thought that I had to be in Compton soon.

I got to get drunk before the day begins, before my mother starts bitching. It rides that line. Yeah. About to go and damn near went blind. Young niggas at the pad throwing up gang signs. The difference is on the West Coast shit, we used more 808 like that, the bass driven shit, because it was more that that was more L.A. Like in L.A. at that time, you'd see cats riding around with sound systems bumping. And so when guys like Dr. Dre were making, you know, when they were producing, they were adding that bass in there that, you you know that 808 so that people can feel that shit in their system how many times the dude come up to

you went insane in the membrane oh man almost almost almost where everywhere we go if i catch eye contact and sometimes if i don't catch eye contact they'll wait for me to walk by and then they'll sing it. Or they'll call me Cypress. Yo Cypress! That's been my name in New York for a long time. Yo Cypress! Cause sometimes they don't know all of our names, but they know what group we're in.

So they won't say, hey, be real or Dr. Greed yo Cypress crack it that's kind of awesome though yeah I got a lot of names man I remember when you guys first came out I was like this is a totally new kind of sound you guys had a totally new kind of sound

I remember I found out about it like I wasn't even into weed back then I was like why is this weed symbol everywhere what are these guys doing these rappers with weed what the hell's happening over there but uh i remember listening i'm like this is you guys had a completely different kind of sound yeah you know the thing was is that muggs was from new york is from flushing so a lot of his influence was from new york you know his favorite production was like the bomb squad which were producing Public Enemy and all their shit. They had some of the most complex production at the time with bridges and breaks and these crazy sounds and stuff like that.

So, you know, that's what Muggs got down with. Now, when he moved out here and we start hanging out, he's introducing us to New York music, you know, hip-hop music that we heard. We heard some of it via the radio on KDAY, an AM station that was playing a lot of hip-hop in the mix. And some of it mixed with R&B and soul throughout the day. So this is where we got our first introduction to hip-hop. But Muggs being from New York, whenever he'd go back, he'd come back with new records and he'd introduce us to stuff like that.

And so when it came time to, to, to working on an album, he had all that influence and, you know, being from New York and absorbing all that culture, it sounded sort of like New York style production mixed with a little bit of LA influence,

especially with, you know what sen and i were kicking in terms of vocals because we were using a combination of la and new york slang you know merged as one so that's why a lot of people were confused like where are these guys from you asked people in new york they thought we were from east new york and they were from cypress hills new york and people that that were from East New York and they were from Cypress Hills, New York. And people that that were from L.A., they were like, well, wait a minute. They kind of sound West Coastish. I think they're from out here. But they didn't really know until we came out and said, you know, yeah, we're from L.A. Our boys from New York and we're sort of a bridge, you know, between L.A. and New York with the sound.

So, yeah, it was always a New York influenced sound because I mean, that's where he was from. But I think that's what added to us being different because most things that were coming out of Los Angeles in that time or Southern California sounded like gangster rap, sounded like, you know, a version of NWA or Compton's Most Wanted or something like that.

And we wanted to be different. We didn't want to be in that lane. You know, we felt that was their lane. We need to make our own. So we didn't want to sound like anything else that was in Cali. We didn't get signed by a California label, like whether it was Sony or any of it.

We got turned down here because we didn't sound like we were from from california isn't that funny yeah and how short-sighted people are and it turned out that like our our uh well we call him uncle joe joe the butcher who was based out of philly he had a you know his label with rough house with uh chris schwartz he he had his label with Rough House with Chris Swartz. He had worked with Muggs on an album when Muggs was in a group called 783. He knew Muggs' potential. He liked Muggs. He saw that he was evolving as a producer.

He heard about our thing, and he wanted to take a chance on us, where we were getting turned down from every goddamn label in LA. Isn't that funny? They just didn't understand us. They said, you guys are talking about weed? How does this make sense?

Have you got any other songs? We're like, no, we're cool. And yeah. I want to get high. Yeah. We're sitting there. So high. They're eating lunch, listening to a song about getting high.

They're like, what the fuck is this? Or no, we didn't even have that song yet. It was, we were talking about, it was the Get High song on there was Light Another and something else. But Light Another was the main one. And we're talking about, that's one of the demos that played and, you know, that you could see the execs just scratching their head like what do we do with this i mean like isn't it funny that everybody wants everything to be cookie cutter

yeah like the idea that rap didn't even exist a few decades prior right it wasn't even a common thing and now all of a sudden it's huge and they can't see that maybe there's another branch of this that could i mean it's funny that they wouldn't be, they wouldn't recognize how good it is. That's what's weird. What it is, is they don't want to take a chance on trying to develop it because if it fails, it's on their back. You know what I mean? So they want something that's easy that like, oh, it's, this sounds like this. We can market it in this lane.

This is already a successful template. Let's use this. Oh, they're not using that shit. We can't do nothing with it. So, you know, like it's the development. And fortunately, you know, when we got assigned to Rough House Columbia, we had the power of Columbia backing us up

because they sort of believed in what we were doing. Well, they not sort of believed, they believed in what we were doing and got behind it and allowed us to be as creative as we wanted to be and pushed us. And, you know, along with having Joe and Chris on our side creatively, like pushing our line and saying, hey, what these guys are doing great. We don't want to intervene and, you know, change anything they're doing. Just let them fucking go. I mean, that was everything because, you know, most of the doing just let them fucking go i mean that was everything

because you know most of the time they want an easy layup so if let's just say you know there's a group over here that's doing well hey how come why don't we make a record like this over here it's like well why don't you go sign that shit over there this is not who we are so you know they want you to make it easy, but realistically, nothing good is ever easy. You got to work toward it and develop it. Fortunately, you know, we got on the team that believed in that, and, man, it was the biggest fuck you to all those that turned us down

and didn't get what we were doing. They got it now. Y'all got it now, right? You got it now y'all got it now right you got it now i can't understand how they didn't get it in the beginning but yeah but i do because it's like that in comedy too like especially during the 90s they were trying to fit everybody into the sitcom dad role yeah or the sitcom boyfriend role you wanted to be on friends or you wanted to be on something like that you know that's all you wanted to do so that's when everybody was trying to form their comedy for that one series hits and then like the other networks see it and try to develop something

similar to it yep that's why there was so many like the ers and the st elsewheres and the yes all the hospital driven yeah tv shows dude people love a good hospital drama. Yeah. Was the George Clooney one? The epic ER. That was ER, right. They cannot lose. Can't lose. Can't lose. The drama.

She's going to make it. She's going to make it. And then you feel good. You go to sleep. It's something that has worked for Hollywood for so long that they dare not change it. I know, right? What works better? Cop shows were pretty good.

People love a good solve a crime show there's so many of those There's a lot of those there's no lack of those no lack of law and orders Yes, fucking law and order petty gambling edition You know they have so many editions of law and order special victims unit and how many more than they have? Man I don't know I think many and orders they i think they got thinking of csis they got csis in a bunch of different cities yeah i think there's like six or seven franchises of those in the law and order the close to the same bro they can show hardcore shit on tv now i watched one of those csi shows and they were dealing with this uh autopsy and i

was like jesus christ this is regular tv it's's wild what people's access to things like HBO and Netflix, what it's done to regular TV. They'll show gore and violence now. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I was looking at this, I was like, when I was a kid, if a guy got shot on TV, they didn't even have blood. It was more suggestive, yeah. It was like $6 million man violence. Yeah.

You know, like, bang, bang, oh. And the guy would just fall over dead. You didn't need to see the blood. At CSI, they're showing holes in people and like, whoa. Oh, yeah. They'll show someone's head getting blown out real quick. It's crazy. I guess they have to keep up, you know?

Yeah, man. I mean, yeah. You got to. If you're going to watch hyper-violent movies, the hyper-violent movies that you can get in the movies are on television. They're so crazy. Yeah. You have to keep up with that. If you're going to keep up with John Wick...

How do you keep up with John Wick? How do you keep up with John Wick on a TV show? This fucking guy's body count is crazy. The movie makes the least amount of sense. He's the nice guy, serial killer assassin who can't be stopped. And everybody roots for him. And he just wants to live in peace. And he's so handsome.

He's so handsome. You just want him to win. You want him to find love. Yeah. They took it away from him. They won't give it to him. Total number of John Wick kills in all three movies. John Wick has now killed a total of 299 people on screen. That's more than the combined total

of Jason Voorhees in all the Friday the 13th movies. He is the real serial killer. Bro, he's killed and that's all the people he killed after he retired from killing people for the Russian mob. Yeah. Where they said he killed three men in a bar with a pencil. Yeah, it's not even counting the other guys. And Michael Myers. and michael myers and all the halloween movies oh my god

that's so ridiculous i thought it would have been arnold or you know stallone that got the highest body counts but it's crazy that we're rooting for him yeah you're rooting for him to kill everybody yeah they all deserve it they all deserve it all these fucks you get They killed his puppy they killed his puppy and they stole his car everyone's gonna die You can't touch someone's dog or car man. Don't fucking steal someone's car and don't kill their dog That's those are against the rules rude. Yes, I mean Being that Russian mobster just that's the wrong dude Wrong dude, that's why it's such a great movie.

It's like the Hulk. You made him mad. Now all of a sudden he's unstoppable. Yeah, everybody's like, oh, you fucked with the Hulk. Yeah. That's what people love. They love this one person that can't be stopped in some way. Whether it's because of the Hulk.

He's got some fucking genetic thing. They zapped him with rays and changes by yeah, he gets angry He turns into a giant green dude. Yeah, I mean it's the same same thing when they were running Stone Cold Steve Austin on on the you know on the WWE his his character or his persona Yeah, was that you could not stop can't stop and people love it loved it Cold. Can't stop him. And people loved it. Love it. Can't stop him. Yeah, you can't stop Stone Cold. You know, the most ridiculous thing about the Hulk is his pants.

Yeah. He never loses his pants. This dude is gigantic. Yeah, his pants somehow stretched the fuck out. His pants somehow. He's so much bigger than Bruce Banner. Bruce Banner is like a little unassuming scientist who's built like Ben Shapiro. And then all of a sudden he turns into that guy

and the pants somehow still fit. How the fuck? How the fuck do you not see that giant green dick? Those pants would pop off just the same way a shirt would. Right. This is ridiculous.

Somebody needs to do a new version of the Hulk with the giant green dick like Dr. Manhattan has in The Watchmen. Primal Hulk. Look, it wasn't that long ago where The Watchmen, you were allowed to see Dr. Manhattan's dick.

Yeah. In The Watchmen, you saw a full blue dick. Yeah, it was graphic. And he's Bill like the Hulk. Same thing. You can see his dick, but you can't see the Hulk's dick. Yeah. What is it, Marvel, right? The idea that his shirt explodes, but his pants stay fine, but you can't see the Hulk's dick. Yeah. What is it?

Marvel, right? The idea that his shirt explodes, but his pants stay fine and he can move around in them, no problem. What? The fuck are you telling me? I don't think they knew the way around. They didn't know the way around that one. Like, how do we?

It is the dumbest fucking thing of all time. I mean, even if he's wearing yoga pants, those fucking shits are going to fly apart. Those shits are going to rip. It's going to rip. That's crazy. Look how big he is. He's 500 fucking pounds. Yeah, he's five times the size of the regular motherfucker that he is before he blows up. It's so dumb. It's the dumbest thing.

We're so afraid of that giant green dick. He's wearing stretchy pants. People are willing to suspend disbelief. That's fine. That's fine. Pants are fine. That is crazy. People are willing to suspend disbelief. That's fine. That's fine. Pants are fine. That is crazy. People will say ridiculous shit like, well, how could he turn into such a big thing? There's not enough molecules in his body to expand to that extent. Where is he getting the actual physical tools to get bigger?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about his pants? That's more ridiculous. What about his pants? Yeah. The pants are more ridiculous. Do his pants have the same thing he got it doesn't make sense that something couldn't just get big though how could he just get big this is a debate that's gone on and on

well let me let me give you my point before how could he get how could he get big there's no he's not getting anything into his body there's no food there's no like where do this how do the the cells grow is that you just drinking water and growing like a plant like what are you doing? Yeah, how are you getting bigger? How you get bigger like you if there's a mass? Where's the mass come from? How's it go back to normal? It's so dumb, but the pants of the dumbest yeah the pants of the dumbest thing the whole thing meanwhile It's my favorite superhero. Yeah, they, they just can't get his movie right. Like his solo movie, like they got it with Ruffalo when he's in the ensemble, but like they still haven't managed to get like the hit with the Hulk by itself.

They had a couple different tries. They had the Ed Norton try. Yeah. They had before that, that other the Australian Eric Bonner Eric Bonner They did it and then as time went on they got better with the CGI. Yeah, they got better at making it look real Yeah better it you know But it's still the problem with the Avengers is I would just call the Hulk if I was that dude Hawkeye with the bow and arrow I'm like, what am I doing out here? Yeah. I just have a bow and arrow.

That's all. I'm just kind of mildly acrobatic and have a bow and arrow. Call the Hulk. He got special bow and arrows. Bro, you call the Hulk. You call the Hulk. Call the Hulk. He fucking stops the world.

He punches the world and stops it from spinning. I mean, yeah. You call the guy with the arrows or the guy. Yeah. They call the guy that punches the spaceship in the face and smashes it to the ground. That guy should just be dominating. The indestructible one. Just go behind him.

Just follow behind him. Yeah. Pick out whatever's wounded. One of my boys got mad when they made him into the smart Hulk. I got mad. Yeah. A lot of people got mad. They don't want to see the smart Hulk. Yeah. Next thing you know, he's going to be wearing smart Hulk. I got mad. Yeah. A lot of people got mad. They don't want to see

the smart Hulk. Yeah. Next thing you know, he's going to be wearing a dress. What they're doing is they're experimenting with these time-held characters that we love so dearly.

You can't just do that. Yeah. Reflipping them like that is just too much. It's rude. Make a new character. Don't make a smart Hulk, you fuckers.

Yeah. He's not smart. That's the whole point. Yeah, he's enraged. Yeah, it's like the idea that he would be Like smart and giant at the same time with the green skin and big-ass glasses. Shut up Yeah, like he's got the best of both worlds. Oh, no, he never can't have that. That's the thing The thing was a regular dude Yeah, but he had the mutation from space that turned him into the thing the big rocky, but he was a powerhouse Yeah, he was a regular dude Yeah But he had The mutation from space That turned him into the thing

The big rocky But he was a powerhouse Yeah But he was a regular dude Underneath it Yeah The Hulk The Hulk's like

Says Hulk smash Like he goes from Being the smartest guy in the world To a dude with Two word sentences Yeah You know But it's fucking

Like the scene in the Hulk When he grabs Loki And he smashes him Left and right Like Loki Says he's a god, and the Hulk grabs him and pile drives him into the concrete back and forth. That's the Hulk.

And he goes, puny man. I mean, puny god. Is that what he says? Get this out of my face. Yeah, see that. Stop it, Jamie. Yeah. This is not funny.

Find the scene. It's ridiculous. Look at him. He's so handsome. He's got a robe. It's like a guy who's at the coffee shop. Why does he have glasses on? He's a fucking superpower.

You don't think his eyes are superpower too? Yeah, why would the Hulk have glasses on? Just to let us know that he's smart. Yeah, just to, yeah. Now he's smart. Like we associate, that's like such an easy way out. Hulk smart. Yeah, you associate, it wouldn't be better if he actually looked exactly like the original Hulk.

And he could talk like a super smart guy, but he could turn it on and off. So he could trick you. So for everybody else, Hulk smash. And then he gets you alone. He's like, hey, dude, actually, I'm Bruce Banner now. Crazy. But I figured out a way to be both at the same time. But I don't want to talk to anybody, so I'm going to Hulk smash.

That would have been a good strategy. Find that Loki one where he smashes Loki. It's like my favorite scene in any movie. Yeah. What he could do is so ridiculous. Yeah. He could fly by jumping. So obviously you didn't watch that She-Hulk bullshit out there.

Was it bad? I heard it was horrible. I didn't see it. I refused. I didn't see it. I can't do it. What's wrong with it? Here it is. This is it. Play's wrong with it? Here it is.

This is it. Play it so you can hear what he says. Creature. And I will not be bullied by. Puny God. Come on, son. How do you not love that? Yeah, that's the one you want to see.

That's the one you want to see. But the pants! Those pants make no sense. In what world? You got special Avenger pants. In what world can your 500-pound friend borrow your pants? Oh, man. That scene would be even more terrifying with a giant green dick flopping around while he's beating that dude to death yes it would it would be terrifying be disturbing

terrifying terrifying oh my god that's hilarious. Hopefully, you know, they make one that sticks, that, you know, his own. It's funny because we don't want new superheroes. Notice that? Like, you don't really get too many new superheroes. Like, we kind of have enough superheroes. We're kind of done. Yeah, like, not in the DC and Marvel universe. Because, I mean, you know, it's been for so long and they developed so many characters

to come up with new ones and try to put those over. That's tough. Interesting though that they don't do that, right? Yeah. It's almost like a band

that only plays their hits and doesn't play any new songs. Yeah. You know, because some bands they'll tour, you know,

20 years after their last album and they'll just still have all those hits to choose from and they don't ever write new songs and the audiences love it. Yeah. it's crazy because some audience don't want to hear the new shit they're like what happened to this how come you're playing all this new shit

it's a it's a fine line to try to to ride that you know and please yeah i had a friend who just went to see an artist and he said he was really disappointed because he didn't play any of his hits. He was just only playing new stuff. And he goes, the new stuff was great, but there's so many classics that they wanted to see him play and he didn't play any of them. Got to play the hits? You got to play them as much as you might not want to?

Yeah. I mean, for us, we don't mind. I mean, it's what made us who we were and who we are now. You know what I mean? So for us... You guys have some bangers, dude. You got to play them. How I Could Just Kill a Man.

We'll find a way to mix new songs in there. We just won't play so many of them, you know, until they start requesting them. Hey, why don't you play this in the set? You got to let it like organically find its place. Yeah, you got to let it find its place and let people say to you like hey man how come you don't add this you guys always play this over here but you never and then we might take that into consideration and be like you know what yeah we should play that but yeah i've learned from watching others like when you don't play the the popular songs in your your

you know the pantheon of your library your your musical library as an artist, man, they're going to shit on you heavy. Heavy. Like, yo, man, how come you didn't play Insane in the Brain or whatever. Like, you could not not play. Yeah, you have to play that. Because they feel punished. Yeah. Like, I paid all this money to come see you.

You didn't play that song. It's like if you went to see Leonard Skinner and they didn't play Freebird Oh my god You'd be like what the fuck What the fuck was that show I went to a Steve Miller gig one time Because I was a Steve Miller fan I love Steve Miller

I still am He's the most famous rock star that no one can recognize But I would not go see him For a minute he looked like Russell Crowe When Russell Crowe played that whistleblower oh right look at that movie he's an insider yeah wow there goes russell crowe on guitar dude that's exactly him that's crazy look at that i would swear that's russell crowe playing steve miller in a movie so i was at this Russell Crowe concert listening to Steve Miller no

so I was at the Steve Miller concert at the Greek I believe it was that's crazy look tell me that doesn't look like fucking exactly so he's playing and an hour goes by I haven't heard one fucking

hit and it's a like he had played a bunch of new shit in covers and then you know the hour and a half goes by and finally he plays fly like an eagle right and i was like okay yeah now we're starting to get somewhere right and he's playing it and he has this keyboard player that looks like Billy Blanks you remember Billy Tybo Billy yes the time that he's playing the keyboard and then all of a sudden he breaks off the keyboard and he's he's rapping fly like an eagle I want to fly like an eagle. I'm like, oh, no. Oh, what have you done? What have you done to Superman? I was like, nah, man.

What have you done to the Hulk? You put glasses on the Hulk. It was the glasses on the Hulk moment for me, right? If he had brought out EPMD to rap over that, because they used that EPMD. I mean, they used that Steve Miller sample. And they did, EPMD did something to that. It would have made sense if they brought EPMD out. That would have been acceptable. But not your Taibo keyboard player.

That was not it. Did he play Take the Money and Run? He must have played that. This is a story about Billy Joe and Bobby Sue. I know all his songs. He probably didn't play it until the second hour after I left. Because after he played Fly Like an Eagle, he played another fucking cover. And I was like, oh, hell no.

I'm sorry, Steve Miller. I'm out of here. Because he waited until the second half to play any of the good shit. Oh, okay. And he just held it too long. Do you think they maybe contractually obligated him to play two hours? So that's how he likes to do it? You know, most headline gigs are like an hour and a half.

You could choose to play the two hours, but if you're playing the two hours, usually you don't have an opener. So you're starting early and then you may have an intermission i've never played that type of gig in spite of our catalog you know because it's long but realistically man i mean you know you got people waiting on on your hits on a two-hour show sprinkle them through the show don't like like wait till this yeah the last half hour to hit them with with all your fly shit i mean a lot of us were leaving we're like fuck we waited an hour and a half to hear this one song then he went back into a cover like no that ain't

it and and we fucking took off man i never i'll enjoy steve miller on the radio and whatever i have in my in my library of his i'll listen to it there i cannot invest a two-hour you know like a two-hour fucking ordeal of of the first hour covers in in in new songs that i was just not feeling it i I was like, nah, I can't do that. And so learning that. You went there for a certain vibe. Yeah, I went there for a certain vibe. His music vibe. And learning that, like, as an artist,

seeing how he did that and how, you know, like how a lot of us were like, yo, this is fucking ridiculous. I never wanted any of our fans to feel something like that leaving a Cypress Hills show so like we you know we we definitely we'll play some new shit but we'll strategically place it to where it's not bothersome to the fans like oh man I want to hit I wanted to hear the hits I don't want to hear this right right shit over here so like we're hitting them with hits from the start

sprinkle some new shit some more of the old shit, and here and there, just so that, like, artistically, yeah, you want them to have the new material, but, like, they're there to really realistically hear the shit that they fell in love with you for, you know what I mean? And you cannot take that away from them. Yeah, I hear you. That's beautiful.

That's beautiful that you think that way. And sometimes it's good to go see someone live because you get a sense of what you like and what you don't like you get inspired Or you can get inspired to like not do that. Yeah. Yeah speaking of superheroes right and not in the lack of development of New ones right? Have you watched the boys? No. Oh, man. I heard it's really good, though. Oh, it's fucking good, man. Both seasons.

I think they're going on three or four now. That is real fucked up. There's too many shows. It's so fucked up because it's like superheroes that are flawed. Like you see DC superheroes and Marvel superheroes, and they're kind of edgy in moments but it's unrealistic they show you that

there's not a flaw in not one of them but in this one oh my god like the Watchmen it is aggressive like the Watchmen it is fucked up in the best way it's pretty good

when someone told me about it I'm like another fucking show. Okay, but then I watched like the first episode from the first episode It's like ramp the fuck up Like the first episode if it doesn't pull you in nothing's gonna pull you in have you seen zero zero zero on Amazon? I've heard about it. I got to get on that Yeah, that one's under the radar Tommy Segura told me about that one. He goes that that is a wild crazy show It was too heavy for my wife. It was like too many people getting blasted. Yeah, yeah Some of this shit is rough before you go to bed

He's trying to watch some shit before you go to bed all that people getting blasted in Nicaragua like yo, yeah There's a lot of violent on tv these days yeah we she got bummed out after a while with um uh the fucking escobar show oh uh narcos yeah after a while i was like jesus christ yeah so many people are getting whacked if you want to tell a story about the cocaine business you got to tell it you got to tell the whole story you got to include all the whackings because there was a lot of them. There was a lot of them. I wonder if they're ever going to do the Griselda Blanco version.

Oh, yeah. Of Narcos. They should. Because, I mean, that was a big story. I mean, you can't leave that out. That Billy Corbin documentary, Cocaine Cowboys. Cocaine Cowboys, yeah. One of the all-time great documentaries. Did, did you see the second part? Yes?

That's yeah, it's crazy to that. Yes Griselda Blanca was a bad lady. Yes. She she was ran shit with an iron fist. That was the one that Jennifer Lopez played Sorry, you know what you know? It's a new one Oh even hotter they said got one. Oh, it's a new one. Oh, even hotter. They said Jennifer Lopez. That worked. You know who played her, too? Let's go with even hotter. You know who played her, too?

I can't remember for what network they did it, but it was... Why does her name escape me right now? She did... Catherine Zeta. Catherine Zeta-Jones, that's right. Here's the problem. No disrespect intended to any of these beautiful ladies, but if you were going to have W.C. Fields played by Brad Pitt in his prime,

you would be like, what is going on here? That doesn't work. What is going on here? Why are you pretending that W.C. Fields was this beautiful, handsome man? W.C. Fields was a – look at the difference between Jennifer Lopez, who's flawless, and Gisele DBlanco, who looks like Mark Hunt. Look, they, like, with Catherine Zeta-Jones, she tried to, like, you know, put a different look in. But for some reason, the acting in that particular one wasn't there, man.

Well, I think legitimately they should put prosthetics on her if they wanted to be that way. Yeah. You know, like they did with Tom Cruise in, what was the movie um tropic thunder tropic thunder that was amazing amazing when he had the fat hands and he's dancing it was incredible they can do that with tom cruise they can do that with her yeah they can turn her to make her look like giselle de blanco yeah blanca that was what she looked like yeah you know like and that was part of the story part of the story was this lady was just, like, dominating shit. Yeah.

And look at Tom Cruise. Oh, man. His fat hands. But that was part of the story was that this lady couldn't be crossed, but that she was seduced by this guy who was, remember, she had this boyfriend. And the boyfriend was banging other chicks. And she found out. And things got ugly.

Yeah. Yeah. And she went to jail and she was writing him in jail and you know that was a big yeah yeah that was a big part of the story man yeah the dude from oakland yeah the kid from oakland a big part of her story was that she wasn't attractive and there was a big part of what she looked like was a big part of the whole thing and she was a scary lady yeah she wasn't this bombshell hot 10 sofia vergara yeah that's that's crazy that's the hollywood casting right you can't do that no no it's not

that's her that's her with her boy you're gonna tell it you gotta tell it right yeah you gotta tell it right you're supposed to tell the real story yeah you know you can get some if you don't want to hire someone who looks like her hire someone and put them in a suit that makes them look like her yeah you should yeah that's the That's the otherwise you just lying like why like if people could just google and see the real lady like why are you doing that? Yeah, they're pretending trying to polish it up It's kind of because they don't even like when Robert De Niro, she's hot when she's younger though. Woof. Yeah, I heard when she was younger. I believe so yeah Oh my god. Oh, my God.

She was hot as fuck. Drug game takes a toll. That's crazy. I mean, it doesn't even look like the same human being. It doesn't look like she could turn into looking like that. You know what I'm saying? Like the bone structure. Dude, she was gorgeous.

That's crazy. Yeah, but it just might be shitty photography. Dude, she was gorgeous. That's nuts. Yeah, maybe that's crazy yeah but it just might be shitty photography dude she was gorgeous that's nuts yeah maybe that's maybe they're having them like portray her as she was when she was young then start adding the fat suit yeah you gotta add that later yeah put that later which makes it even

more compelling which was the problem with the Catherine Zeta-Jones ones they didn't do that they made her look weathered but they didn't like yeah but Catherine Zeta-Jones ones. They didn't do that. Right. They made her look weathered, but they didn't, like. Yeah, but Catherine Zeta-Jones weather is still hot as fuck, dude. Right, right. It's still Catherine Zeta-Jones. Yeah. Wow.

Cocaine godmother on Prime Video. Yeah. But the real lady herself was like, wow, what a crazy story. Yeah, she was no joke. And when you, like, in the interview, the hit men, and the hit men were telling him what Griselda was telling him to do, it was like, what a she was no she was no joke in any when you like in the interview the hitman and the hitman were telling him what Griselda was telling the do is like you want to be on the bad side didn't want to be on the bad side or oh money yeah and again all that comes from illegality all that comes from it being illegal and only criminals selling it. Yeah. And that's what, I mean, that fucking made Miami, bro.

Yeah. When you think about it, like so many new businesses popped up in that time because, you know, people had money to spend. How many banks? Yeah. I mean, how much money were they moving around? How many banks got in on that coke money? And how many banks were like, nope? We don't want your dirty money We want only established cash from established businesses

Like how many banks didn't know that they were they're handling cocaine money in Miami in the 80s probably the majority of them didn't know it Yeah At first they probably know and then first and then they realized it. They did nothing to change it. I think it's probably the obligation for the corporation to continue this business while profitable and shaky and possibly illegal. Yeah. Is it illegal for them, though? Do they have to investigate where the money comes from to put it in the bank? I think they just have to report that it entered the bank. I don't know if they have to see where it came from.

I think that's the IRS's job to do that. Dudes were burying trash bags filled with $100 bills. Just put it in their yard somewhere. And that was the dumbest shit because they weren't even stashing the money properly. A lot of that money went rotten. All of it. I mean, if you're high on

coke and you're digging holes in your backyard, you're not going to remember where those holes are. You better be planting little flags, little pin points they had no gps back then you couldn't drop a pin oh man yeah good luck finding that you like one of these guys that are the bosses they're all coked up and enraged they don't remember where they put it they told you the wrong spot how many people are gonna go on treasure hunts in people's backyards if they find out that they were a coke dealer in Miami? Yeah. It's almost

worth it. Right. If you buy a dude, he's a coke guy, goes to jail in the 1980s and he builds his fucking mansion. The mansion's still there. You would buy it and go, okay, has anybody ever done any renovations in the backyard? Has anybody ever done any irrigation? Have you ever done any irrigation back here? Okay, thank you. Yeah, we'll take this.

We'll take this. It'll take this it might be a fucking billion dollars and hundred dollar bills exactly and you better be there when they fucking peel that shit up because those construction companies are gonna be like we didn't find anything sir you gotta be there every day you gotta be there every day like a hawk yeah especially when you know where you got it from. Yeah. Just probably like pirate treasure, still places that people haven't found. Absolutely. Like what is that one island? There's some island where these pirates went there

and they built this elaborate trap. Like there's supposed to be some sort of, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. People try to dig this up many, many times. Yeah. It almost sounds, I've looked into this. I think there was like even a it or a television show about it.

There's both. I've listened to a book about it. It honestly sounds like it might be nothing because so many people have tried to do this for so long. But there is a structure, right? There's some kind of a thing that was built. But it keeps getting filled in with water or something by the time they get down to it. So they figured out a way to put this stuff down in a way that you could get to it,

but it would be very, very difficult. But I think then climate change happened. Yeah. And, you know, the shoreline probably changed a little bit. The curse of Oak Island. The curse of Oak Island. Yeah.

They got a TV show on this. Yeah, that's what it's... Yeah. So this is, they're trying to dig it. Yeah. This is season seven of it, so they obviously haven't found it yet. And got a TV show on this. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. So this is, they're trying to dig it. Yeah. This is season seven of it, so they obviously haven't found it yet. And they still can't find it. So they have these giant excavator crews.

How do you get seven seasons out of finding nothing? You know, if Geraldo had that secret, he would have ran that Al Capone shit all the way. It's like, we're still looking for this shit. Like finding Bigfoot. Those motherfuckers are still looking. They're still looking for this shit. Like finding Bigfoot. Those motherfuckers are still looking. They're still looking. How many seasons?

I haven't seen this. This is describing exactly what you guys are just saying. The legend of cocaine island. Oh, is it really? This guy went on a path to find like

buried, two million dollars worth of buried cocaine or something like that. Oh, wow. Well, yeah, because when you know your neighbor is the fucking

cocaine kingpin and he's gone to jail and he ain't getting out. Yeah, but what do you do if you find it? It's still illegal. If you find $2 million worth of cocaine and you're just a regular guy, now you're a cocaine distributor? People find it in the water, I've heard of. Yeah, I have heard of that. But you usually turn it in.

And the government gives you ungots. They give you shit. They fucking dose it out to their friends. They're having a party. All the cops are doing lines off your coke. Yep. You don't get nothing. You don't get nothing.

How much coke gets stolen from evidence rooms? If you had to guess. It's not zero, right? It's not zero coke has ever been stolen from evidence rooms. Coke has definitely been stolen from evidence rooms. For sure. I'm not accusing any cops of stealing coke. But I'm saying-

It has to happen. It had to have happened in human history. It has to. There's have happened in human history it has to like there's no way that it didn't yeah because there's there's cops out there that definitely got drug problems well they say dea agents you know if you're uh one of them other undercover dudes and you gotta show you're legit so you gotta go and do those are the guys most at risk yep imagine you're a dea agent then all of a sudden you're a meth head. And you're like, oh, shit, I'm a meth head.

Yeah. I had to prove I was real, so I had to do meth with these guys. And now they're stealing shit from the evidence room. Yeah, and now you're sneaking around. That's what happened to this guy. The cocaine island guy, he got charged with intent to distribute 70 pounds of gold. So he found it. I don't know if he found it. I'm trying to read through this. Well, they're saying he's got 70 pounds of gold. So he found it. I don't know if he found it. I'm trying to read through this.

Well, they're saying he's got 70 pounds of buried white gold. Look at this, though. Hold on a second. It says he was charged with intent to distribute cocaine after embarking on a treasure hunt to uncover 70 pounds of buried white gold in Puerto Rico. But does that mean he found it or he was charged because he was trying to find it? Arrested after he attempted to recover and sell the cocaine that had been buried on the island. So did he recover it, though?

We'll have to watch the movie and find out, I guess. Oh, he got into the movie. It's the cliffhanger. They gave us a cliffhanger, these fucks. How about cocaine bear? No, I haven't seen that, but that's a true story. I heard that's a true story. Yeah, bears eat anything, man.

The fact that the bear ate the coke. I wonder what it smelled like to him wonder why he ate It did it have did the bear die from a heart attack. I think that was the rumor I Mean it probably overdosed yeah, like I mean if you're eating coke, and you're a bear bears eat a lot What did that I bet the Bears mouth got numb as fuck Yeah, and I bet every the whole the whole snout I bet they enjoy the experience I bet I bet it feels good. I bet once you start getting high from that coke you like Oh, this is great. And then you're a bear you're a glutton. So you just dive it in there eating the whole bag

How did the bear die? 1985 in the whole bag. How did the bear die? I'm looking right now. It happened in 1985. 85. See, things that happened in 85, you're like, man, did that really happen? The story is crazy. A plane dumped the cocaine out. Bro, 75 pounds.

They found the dead bear. Wow. Yeah, he had two of them. He absorbed only three to four grams. Well, that's a lot Yeah tax. Yeah, what do they think killed him? The stomach was literally packed to the brim with cocaine Four grams that seems like more than three to four grams Only absorbed that much. Oh, he'd only absorbed that so the rest of it was in his stomach

Oh, so he literally ate until his stomach was packed like a big coke rock. Oh, he'd only absorbed that. So the rest of it was in his stomach. So he literally ate until his stomach was packed like a big coke rock. Oh, man. Because that shit is probably hard as fuck. He probably packed it in there. His guts. If his stomach was packed to the brim with cocaine, oh my god.

That's amazing. Wow. That's amazing. What. That's amazing. What was it like for that bear? Just lying there while your heart is literally cracking your ribs. Ba-bang, ba-bang, ba-bang, ba-bang. What the fuck have I done? That bear could not understand what the fuck was happening to him at all. You got a literal rock of paste in your stomach. And your heart is going.

Yeah, imagine the dun, dun. Yeah, imagine the heartbeat. Fuck. What a fucked up last day for a bear. Yeah. And then there was a movie that was supposed to be funny. I heard it was funny. Did you see it, Jamie? No, I haven't seen it yet.

I'll watch it someday. I thought about watching it. I'm going to wait. It's a great idea. But it is. When I heard it, I was like, no, that can't be a movie. So this is my question that I forgot earlier. Does PCP make you aggressive?

Because ketamine doesn't make you aggressive, right? It calms you down. So why do we always associate PCP with people being wild? I think they have to be like sort of, it's like provocation. I think they're mellow until until provoked? yeah I don't want to try it but

like I wouldn't want to be approaching anybody on PCP no like and telling them hey you need to no nah and who knows what designer drug

some fucking chemist is going to figure out in the future yeah that takes that to a next level I mean imagine if there was no... That's probably why I bet...

What does it say? Dr. Edward Domino, who participated in the early testing of PCP, documented that the drug produces an adrenaline release resulting in a fight or flight reaction with an increased heartbeat, high blood pressure, and raised body temperature. Interesting. He said that the effects of the drug can vary greatly. It can act as a depressant, stimulant, or hallucinogen, depending upon the dosage, type of administration, and circumstances of use.

On the street, PCP is available as a powder, tablet, or liquid, or in leaf mixtures, it may swallowed injected snorted or smoked key factors that determine whether a pcp user becomes violent are the user's personality the physical settings and the external stimulants like what you're saying like fucking with them something fucks with them and then they they go from zero to 100 they get triggered yeah it takes something to trigger them because i think they're totally in their own world until someone comes. And imagine that. You're like in a zone and then the cops come fucking with you.

I mean, immediately you're going to be reactive. They cite the case of West Covina police officer Ken Bread, who was killed in 1983 by a PCP user who was unfazed by both mace and baton blows and a power to powerful display of force he uprooted a sapling and It's eight-foot stake which he hurled at the officer Then he managed to grab a shotgun out of the officers car and kill him. Holy shit, dude Damn, he pulled a tree out of the ground and threw it at the guy? That's brute fucking strength.

That's Hulk smash strength. Are we sure it doesn't make you stronger? Imagine if we had MMA, but you could take PCP. You could take whatever drug you want. I wonder if anybody has done weightlifting PRs on it. I wonder. It's a good question. Because dudes do weird shit before they do PRs.

They drink. Sometimes guys do shots of whiskey and they do deadlifts. Just something to give them a whoa, a fucking whoa. Give them that little boost. Yeah, I couldn't believe that when I heard that, that some people like to do that. I don't think like- I never heard that. You never heard that?

Yeah. A shot before they power lift, huh? Could be just crazy people. We should find that out too. I would imagine imagine though like you feel looser yeah like the like some djs before they go dj clubs they'll they'll have a shot and it makes them loose and they feel like they rock the part they got like the vibe of the party locked in yeah a shot is a nice way to get the party started well Yeah, it's in there quick little joke boom warms the belly Yeah, it sounds like people have definitely tried this I'm reading a story right now

They're one thing that says it's the most popular post off of a bodybuilding message board the thread on PCP and bodybuilding and powerlifting Oh wow, this is a six five three hundred twenty25 powerlifter came in high on PCP, 7% body fat. I'm going on to see that there are 11 people piled on the back of an ambulance to try to keep him restrained. Jesus Christ, dude. Yeah, imagine.

They had to knock him down with sedatives. Oh, my God. Had to hit him with a dark gun. Oh, my God. Powerlifting on PCP and just fucking roid raging around the building oh man probably pcp and steroids too if he's that big yeah you gotta imagine so he's on oh my god he's on the double dose he's on the double whammy that's you know like he he he really

thought that out like okay i know i'm stronger when i smoke this PCP. I'm going to go really get my workout on right now. Or maybe that was his first time. He's just, sorry, guys. I didn't know. I took a chance. I fucked up. I was on PCP. I lost my mind.

I really apologize to everyone. Let's hope. Doing deadlifts. What about shots? People do do that, right? Well, I'm looking up deeper discussions on this. It says there's no evidence that it increases strength, but because it's a disassociative, do you think that maybe you can't feel the pain?

Yeah, probably. So you just go through it? Yeah, could be. Yeah, there's a self-preservation part of lifting, right? Like if a lift feels too heavy, you put it down. Maybe if you're on PCP, just fuck it. Yeah. Let's go.

I mean, what's, you know? Yeah. Let's go. I mean, what's, you know. Well, you know, hey, look, there's parts of the mind that we can't tap into in a sober state that give us different abilities, right? Including strength, you know, tapping into something different. We're blocked from it. Yeah, I think so. And I think some of these things like PCP and others sort of maybe could unlock some of that well people

definitely move better when they're on adrenaline adrenaline makes people very explosive right it's supposed to be there to get you to run away from something yeah right to get the away or or fight or flight right either you're gonna fight you get all this burst of energy out of nowhere it's a wild drug though because like you ideally would want to be in shape and have very little adrenaline because adrenaline jacks up your heart rate unnecessarily sometimes. And so if you're really juiced up with adrenaline, your heart's at 170 beats per minute. If you start engaging in physical activity when you're already kind of gassing because your heart rate's already jacked, you're going to get tired quick. That happens to a lot of fighters.

First time in the UFC. First time in the UFC is wild. They gas out in that first round cuz sometimes sometimes not so much anymore Guys are much better at that now that very rarely happens now By the time dudes get to the UFC now the quality and the level of fighter is very high Yeah, and you're getting guys that are already very experienced and they just they know how to do it They don't just just go full blast not all of them. It's rare occasionally it happens but when you go through

those smaller shows like the lfas and these other small promotions and you finally get that call the moment they close that cage you realize oh my god i'm on paper dude there's daniel cormier there's john annick holy yeah holy it's it's it's it's you gotta maintain composure and and you're calm in there and sometimes when you're new to it and and you you're excited and the adrenaline rises man it's it's hard to stay composed i mean that happens with young rappers out there right the first show in front of like 10 20 000 people they've let's say rehearsed for weeks a month and they got the song down and their breath control is there and they sound great but the minute weeks, a month, and they got the song down, and their breath control is there,

and they sound great, but the minute they get on that stage and they see the enormity of it, it changes. It can change. The inexperience makes them forget everything they learned, and all of a sudden, they're breathing heavy.

They're trying to keep up with the song. They don't sound like the tone that's on the actual record, and it's all that nervous energy because of the inexperience. And, you know, I would imagine with an MMA fight, going through that, man, that's got to be the toughest because, like, you trained, you put the work in, and yet you're gassing out. But you see guys overcome that.

They have a bad first experience, and they come back, and they're like, I get it now. And then you see them emerge and get much better. That does happen a lot. Yeah, you see a lot of that now, where a guy's getting like, you're thinking, oh, man, he's about to get finished. And all of a sudden, just changes it all around. I love the fact that you took voice lessons. You were like, I'm going you you were like i'm gonna treat this like i'm gonna figure out a way to do this the best way right like instead of just like doing

my thing and when i'm gonna like seek out experts in vocalizations and help me out yeah so smart yeah you know i think if if you got a different sort of voice right and you got to maintain it and not let it get damaged and things like that you got to find ways to strengthen voice right and you got to maintain it and not let it get damaged and things like that you got to find ways to strengthen it right and for me like i i knew this some of the stuff that was was uh causing damage to my voice one was i was smoking blunts and i was drinking whiskey before the shows and things like that and then carbonated shit like sodas and stuff like that that whole combination had my shit raspy and then you know the excitement the adrenaline carrying that over not not necessarily controlling that to be able to sound right and you know so it was a combination of all that and then someone

referred me to the lady i think her name was elizabeth sabine she was uh um she taught like a bunch of different singers but like her thing was opera and to teach you how to breathe so that you don't have to over project from your you know your vocal cords and all that stuff from the throat and so getting rid of the the whiskey and the the blunts and the and the sodas that was one thing that definitely helped but like with the breath control and not over projecting and staying in key and in tone whatever she taught me that and that like preserved my shit like so that i could sound like what i sound like on the record even to this day day. I didn't really suffer too much damage like a lot of people do where they cannot sound like they do on the record

because they've pretty much blasted out their shit by partying and not taking care of the muscle, not taking care of the tool, any of it. You know what I mean? So I always respected the fact that I got this gift, so I'm going to do what I got to to protect it and that was one thing man like i was going horse every damn every other show like damn and not sounding the way that i should on records and and uh when i would hear the playback to that i'd be like oh my fucking what is this and then finally i i'd reached out to somebody who knew a coach and they're like hey put me on to to your vocal coach i wanna

i wanna try to you know strengthen what i got going on here fortunately man i paid attention to her and i didn't blow it off like what the is this because you can go in there like that and be like how are these exercises going to help me and keep that but you know until you do them and get used to them and it becomes second nature you don't realize it and fortunately i was serious enough to take the advice and do all the practices and it it preserved my voice man i was lucky enough to to get that when i when i did yeah it's beautiful that you figured that out it's and it's a great message for other guys too like treat this like it's a

profession yeah man it's a beautiful profession i mean folks that could sing like let's just say patty labelle right i'm not the biggest patty labelle fan but she's made great music in her time but in relation to her tool which is her voice i mean she's taking care of it to where she sounds amazing right now to this day in her 70s you know like yeah and not everybody her age that that that possesses that that talent and has a voice still have a strong voice because they didn't take care of it like she did you know what i mean and and that that goes a long way man if you want to have longevity in this game and you want to sound good man you take care of the tools on the flip side i like the way johnny cash sounded

in his last days like yeah he sounded good i loved the hearing the life in his voice. I love hearing the living in his voice. Like that guy lived a hard fucking life. He sure did. Johnny Cash lived a hard life. And it was a dope record. Yeah. Oh my God. That album was dope.

It's just hearing that voice at the end of his life and knowing that he doesn't have much time left and knowing that he knows he doesn't have much time left. Yeah. And he's singing that. Can you play some of that? Play Johnny Cash, Hurt. And it's a cover, a nine inch nails cover. There's so many layers to it.

So many layers to it. And it's like when you see what he looked like back then, man, I mean, he was an older dude, man. An older dude who was one of the highway men, you know? Yeah. I mean, Folsom Prison Blues, one of the original. I hurt myself today To see if I still feel

I focus on the pain The only thing that's real The needle tears the hole The old familiar sting Try to kill it all away But I remember everything what have I become

my sweetest friend everyone I know goes away in the end. Damn. Damn, that was good.

And he did have a problem with heroin back in the day, right? Oh, yeah. He had a problem with all kinds of shit. All kinds of shit. I mean, they were partying hard. Those old school outlaw country guys, him and Waylon Jennings. And I mean, come on, man. Those dudes were going hard.

The Highwaymen, that song. Yeah. I was a highwayman. Across the Gulf Coast, I did ride. Talk about dying and being reincarnated over and over again. That's an amazing song. Oh, man. Yeah, he lived a life.

That's for sure. When he comes on that song, I wrote a starship across the great divide. Dude. And when I reached the other side, God, man, that whole era of those guys, that was a wild group of men. Yeah. And songwriting was different back then, too, man. It was very much more poetic than it is today. That's for sure. They would tell stories in their songs yeah there's a lot of it look at a man look at

that damn look at that Christofferson Willie Nelson Waylon Jennings god damn that was that was a crew right there god damn dude god damn yeah amazing and again i mean then they were pretty late along in life too when they did that yeah those guys were bad motherfuckers to the end well he's johnny cash was will he still around yeah chris christopherson's still around i believe so he's still around right and whalum's not he's another one, man. Those outlaw guys, man. That era of country music. Again, you've got to realize this is a fairly recent thing in human history. Yeah.

You know? The outlaw country star, that's an American thing that happened. Yeah, that's here. In the 1900s. That's homegrown. Still around. There's Christopherson and Garth Brooks.

Where's the bodies, Garth? Probably says that everywhere. He said, where's the bodies? Do you know what that is? That's your mom's house thing. You know they always pretend that Garth Brooks is a serial killer. Everywhere he goes, people turn up missing. So all the fans, they all go into his comments.

Like, where are the bodies, Garth? Come clean, Garth. I'll still be your friend. Garth needs a teacup for his birthday. Yeah, a teacup. The Hitler teacup. Oh, my a teacup the Hitler teacup oh my god oh man

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