The Joe Rogan Experience - #195 - Aubrey Marcus

Episode Date: March 13, 2012

Joe sits down with Aubrey Marcus.

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. We're going deep, kids. Deep to the dark jungles of Costa Rica. Deep. Ooh. Nice. Dude, you were in Costa Rica. You were in Costa Rica. You just returned.

Yeah. And you went to an Ibogaine retreat. And if you don't know what Ibogaine is, Ibogaine is the stuff that Hunter S. Thompson accused one of the guys who was running for president of being on in 1970 or whatever the hell it was. McGovern? I believe it was McGovern. Or was he was McGovern I believe it was McGovern or was he for McGovern? I don't remember

but if you watch the movie Gonzo, the life and work of Hunter S. Thompson they go into detail about how he just started saying that this guy was taking Ibogaine and that he was bringing in a Brazilian doctor he just made up this shit and put it in the

Rolling Stone, and fucking people were believing it. And so everybody would go, I think it's Ed Muskie, I think that's the guy's name, and everybody would go and watch this guy have speeches, and he was having psychological meltdowns, because Hunter kept accusing him of being on Ibogaine. And so there was these really crazy rambling speeches, these campaign speeches, where it's clearly a man who's just been like deeply affected by this fucked up thing that's

happened to them some guys just accused him of being on like some crazy psychedelic drug and the guy just you know the pressure of the campaign and all that just crushed him it just crushed him yeah but ibogaine was the shit. That was what Hunter chose. That would be a very difficult drug to function on. I mean, it is a challenge to lie on your back, let alone give a speech. Let's just put it that way. What is the idea behind it? It's been used in other cultures for eons, right? Yeah, so the origin of it, they found it.

There's a legend surrounding a porcupine that found it was gnawing on a tree. And then the shaman, you know, came and brought it home to his wife to cook. And the wife ate the porcupine and just started tripping out and have this intense visions and encounters with deities and understanding, you know, truth about things in a way that was never possible. And the shaman goes back to his wife. She's like, holy shit, what's going on here? And then so they look back where they trapped the porcupine and it was eating the bark of this particular tree. And the tree was the iboga tree, which grows in Gabon in Africa. And so the shaman took it, got it directly from the source and started using the medicine. And the iboga buiti tradition was born, which is where the main shamanic tradition is.

And part of the shamanic tradition that I went to go see down in Costa Rica, I went to see a gentleman who was a 10th generation Bwiti shaman straight out of Gabon. So that's where it was initially founded. And then it gets a lot more press, actually, for its kind of drug rehab use. There's a lot of clinics for rehabilitation for, like, heroin addicts and different people like that. And they generally isolate the alkaloid ibogaine out of the iboga root when they do that. So it's not quite the same as what we did. We did a partial extraction, so it was like half ibogaine but still had a lot of the full alkaloids of the uh of the iboga root

but the clinics they just focus on the ibogaine and have a amazingly high success rate with detox situations and i actually saw a gentleman down there at the iboga house where i went who um showed up addicted to heroin and then just had a harrowing, brutal, like three-and-a-half-day iboga session and came out, and he was on top of the world. I mean, really. Wow. Is it a mold? No, it's actually a bark.

Yeah, but what is the actual ingredients or the medicine inside of it that's making it? Yeah, it's an alkaloid, actually. So it's the ibogaine alkaloid is the main alkaloid, and that alkaloid is found in the bark ibogaine alkaloid is the main alkaloid and that alkaloid is found in the bark and in the roots of this particular tree that has this weird pepper shaped fruit that grows on it so what is it doing to you yeah well it's um you know the the interesting thing about aboga that separates it from everything else and i'll tell my full experience as well but the aboga shamans

and the way they talk about it is completely different than the Ayahuasca shaman. Ayahuasca shamans talk about going farther. Everything is about exploring other dimensions, going beyond and bringing back information from those dimensions. And the Bwiti shamans, they talk about going deeper, like going farther inside yourself, because inside of you is a soul that has access to infinite knowledge so you can actually go inside yourself and find out the truth to virtually anything without having to go outside so it's a whole different kind of paradigm it has holy shit and you know i really i mean as we'll get into my story the lucidity on aboga is unreal like nothing you've ever experienced it's almost like ayahuasca when you're going farther and trying to p you know trying to get information from these

other dimensions there's a translation issue so sometimes it smashes against your perception and all you see are webs and colors and figures and spirit teachers and weird shit because you can't understand the information from beyond but aboga it's like yourself talking to you it's like the best version of you just telling you what the fuck is up and you're like there's like no translation issue inner voice it's like that but it's like a it's like the ruthless inner voice of truth like you just can't fudge with it you can i mean there's no even arguing like there's some things that are uncomfortable to think about like you don't want to look at them and it'll just be like stop stop stop bullshitting you know it's just ruthless i mean it's been compared to dealing with your stern father well you know i mean that's not a paradigm that i use

because that wasn't just how i grew up but i think for a lot of people you know that kind of voice of reason that's just you know not letting you slide and not letting you slack on anything comes in and that's really what you experience on the uh on the aboga scared i'm scared just listening yeah are you addicted to bark now are you like all different kinds of bars this is a brutal experience like ayahuasca it's pageantry it's ceremony you get a flush yeah you get a little nauseous it's fun it bogus fucking intense is it mixed with anything else did i mix it with anything else it's not fun it is not i mean it is a brutal harrowing experience like would you do it again or would you be scared fuck yeah i would do it again but whoa it's only because of the amazing gains that

you get i mean it's it's a ridiculously brutal experience and all i mean i guess i might as well just kind of get you guys into the story to tell about all the the physical downside of it but it's rough i mean you're nauseous as fuck you're dizzy you know you can't walk you can't hardly drink water for you know 24 hours you're on it forever you know it is not comfortable and not fun and it's like it's intense but that access to truth you know if you're trying to figure something out unparalleled that's like going on the biggest roller coaster. I know that. That doesn't not sound good. That sounds terrible. That sounds like you live the perfect life so that you never have to go through that trip. It's like, hey, I have to die once.

Yeah, just be the nicest person you could ever be in every possible situation. Always do the right thing so you never have to take a boga. And that's kind of, know it's funny the shaman shaman's very he's very kind of straightforward and he talks to you like a normal like most of these good shamans do they're not like pseudo-spiritual right they're not trying to create an aura of mysticism they're joking with you more than anybody they're light-hearted so he's joking around and he was talking about the guy who was detoxing from heroin he's like i gave him enough that he will never want to do heroin again because he's never going to want to go through this shit.

And that's part of it. I mean, it's such a savage process that when they get out, they're like, not only have they learned things from the voice of truth, learned why they were doing it, learned why they shouldn't do it, learned what it's doing to their body, they just don't want to go have to see this dude again who's going to just put them through the gauntlet. Oh, my God.

So it lasts 24 hours? At least. Jesus! There was people there who were up for three days. Is it very similar to peyote? Like the same kind of... It's not similar to fucking anything. Dude, you're scaring me.

It was unreal. So I'll tell you how it kind of goes about. We go fly into Liberia, get picked up. Liberia? Liberia, Costa Rica. Yeah, it's the northern airport. Nice little airport. Sounds like Africa.

Yeah, it does. Get picked up, get set in. Got a beautiful place, like a ton of acres, fruit trees, coconuts you can cut off and drink the coconut water straight out of the coconut. We're pulling fruit out of there. It's like really nice setup, you know, and fine lodgings. There's like a lodging place for the people who are getting, you know, treated

and going to the ceremonies. And then there's the shaman's house with his wife and his little baby who are great. And so we get in. First day we have our we just get acclimatized and then we do what's called a spiritual shower which is kind of very similar across most shamanic traditions. It's kind of

preparing you for that. So we go to the stream, did a ceremony where we put some intention into some leaves and let them kind of flow through the river. And I was impressed with the shaman then. He did it with a lot of earnesty and it felt just very, very honest, you know, about what he was doing and just kind of preparing you traditionally for what you're about to go through. And then that night around 7.30, we sit around there and we're in a little circle and he starts talking and he starts talking, you know, just generally about basically faith-based experience and experience-based spirituality and just kind of railing against people who just believe things on faith. He says, you know, in our culture, if we can't share that experience,

if multiple people can't get it, it's bullshit. You know, and he was like pointing, he was talking about astrology. He's like, people want to tell me that that star is going to make me feel a certain way. Okay, you know, I'll go find out. I'll go check. I'll go see. And if that star doesn't give me anything, well, I'm not going to believe it. You know, it's not truth for me. You know, and that's, they have this very much kind of like a show-me kind of philosophy on their spirituality, which is very similar to what I encountered in Peru as well when they were talking very esoteric stuff about the huiracocha and about the soul leaving the body.

And I was like, how do you know? Like, well, we see it, stupid. We see that happen, and it's repeatable. At least to them it's repeatable. What is Abagain native to uh gabon in africa so and it's actually it's legal in in costa rica and a lot of south american countries legal in the uk as well actually um but um but it comes out of africa so they just ship it over and he prepares it in the same way they ship him the whole bark and he uh he does the preparations on it. So we're going in

this little speech and he gives us one pill and, you know, looks like about a gram and a half capsule, kind of a horse capsule with a brown kind of powder in it. And then he keeps talking and, you know, kind of talking about different things, just pretty normal things. He was talking about how hope is a prison. You know, Hope traps people as much as fear because people sit around hoping for something. Oh, I hope this is going to happen instead of just going out and doing it. And they have a real kind of tradition where it's like, if you want something, you manifest it, you believe in it, you set your intent and you go fucking get it. Don't sit around hoping for something cool to happen. That's just not the way they work. So it was some cool stuff that he was talking about.

It was going on for a while. Then he passed around another pill. And he didn't know how much he was going to give us. He kind of feels it out as you go and kind of assesses you and what you need. So we take another horse pill. And it's partially extracted ibogaine mixed with the iboga root.

So getting some combination of both. He also gives some people spoonfuls of the actual bark but that's more for a physical detox i think under what he was talking about it makes you even more nauseous which more nauseous i can't even fucking imagine how terrible that is so so anyway so we start to it's been about an hour like a good hour and a half since we took it and i'm still not feeling anything and i'm starting to get a little cocky and I'm thinking oh man you know maybe I'm just so experienced you know maybe this is not gonna not gonna hit me and I'm start worrying and maybe you didn't give me to you didn't give me enough so I'm thinking all that but and then you know I was there doing it with my fiancee

and uh and she started to drop like she started to feel it right so she moves over to the bed and she's feeling a lot of things she's certainly not as experienced as me so she's started to feel it, right? So she moves over to the bed and she's feeling a lot of things. She's certainly not as experienced as me. So she's starting to feel a lot of weird things. And I'm like, I'm really not feeling it. You know, I'm not quite there yet. And the shaman, one of the traditions in the iboga ceremonies is you talk to different people. You get direct access to talk to their souls, they say.

So whether they're alive or dead, you just have conversations with them. And that's like one of the main staples of the tradition of their spirituality. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Yeah, so that's... So whether they're alive or dead, you're talking to them? Yeah, it's almost like you're talking to them. This is what they believe. Now, I'm going to put a disclaimer out there. But in the state, you felt this as well? Yeah, and I'll tell you how it goes a little later because at this point, I didn't feel anything, right?

So he was trying to ask, and you prepare these questions. It's different from another ceremony too. Other ceremonies, you prepare your intent, what you want to get out of it, pretty much across the board, whether it's mushrooms, peyote, ayahuasca, set your intent. In this, you do it even more focused, and you actually write questions down and questions you want to get answered you know some people call it asking

dr aboga you know because aboga will tell you the answer so he actually has you write the questions so he starts trying to ask caitlin these these questions and uh and she's you know she's having a tough time so she says so he goes over to me and he's like well why don't you why don't you respond for caitlin you know like have the conversation with her and i'm like ah i'm just not not feeling it she's like doesn't matter it's not about the medicine like you know you know what her soul would say like you know how to answer these questions and i was like i can't see it and he kept trying to do these visualization things. And I kind of like half imagined it, half kind of faked it just to get through. And I was, I guess the question I was

answering better than I thought I would. But so he goes through this whole thing and then, you know, and then he kind of finishes with that and he smiles. And I guess he'd gotten me to the point that he wanted, which was that to realize that I didn't need to take the medicine to have access to the truth. And I think that's one of the good things about Iboga is you learn, it's easier to take what you learned there and apply it elsewhere. So then, but pretty much as soon as he was finished talking, I started to feel like I'd walked into a high voltage shed. and it was like an intense hot buzzing around my whole body and my heart was thumping like crazy and i was like holy shit am

i nervous like am i freaking out here like am i panicking is it a panic attack my heart's just i'm like thumping in my chest and he starts playing this music that's brian's playing right now and i'm just hammered in my chest and the buzzing gets crazy intense like around me like like literally like i was in a high voltage tent and things start to get nauseous i start to get dizzy it feels at some point i hear i hear my fiance go i feel like i'm spinning in this shaman just very matter of fact this goes make it stop it stop. And then so when I was spinning, I was just like, make it stop. Okay. And you could.

You had that kind of control to do it. But it was miserably uncomfortable. And my eyes started to get real fucked up. So we had blindfolds and we lay down. And then, you know, just kind of dealing with this bad experience so far, as far as what I'm feeling, what I'm going through. And then all of a sudden, things start to crystallize a little bit more. And I start to see this like, almost like the only thing I can talk about it being similar to is like the cursor

on a Google search. Like I could literally point to anything I wanted to go and any question that I had and find answers and access that would come to me in usually in words, but sometimes in pictures when I needed pictures. So then I was, I had full kind of control over this experience. Yeah, it was nuts. Like, and so there, from there, I start going through my questions and I had about 10 questions and I start analyzing different things. So my first question was very personal. You know, it was about what, you know, my own demons, my own limitations, things that were holding me back. And it gave this very kind of like in-depth dissertation about the different

aspects of myself. So there was one aspect, which was kind of my soul aspect, you could call it, if you will. And that, some people have called it your God self, but that's your ideal self. That's your actualized being. That's your soul, you know, the best part of yourself. But then there was the mind. And the mind does all kinds of things for survival that end up sabotaging what you really want to do. What Pressfield would call resistance. You know, all of these different games that your mind will play when it's running the ship and when it's at the helm that are going to

sabotage what you're trying to get out of life and your true happiness. For me, it was certain fears, certain fears of bad things happening, fear I might get sick or fear something bad might happen or worries about this, worries know, something bad might happen or worries about this, worries about future events that didn't need to happen. All these worries and fears, which are part of some stupid survival mechanism. And, you know, these doubts that my mind had created. And I realized that that wasn't really me. That was just some apparition of my mind. And so I ended up naming that part of myself, the diminutive name, I named it Mind Boy. And that was an important, crucial lesson there for me, is that not always are you acting under

your best, truest being. Sometimes you got this juvenile, little stupid kid who's trying to fuck up your happiness and sabotaging you. And that's your mind. And so just being able to recognize that was able to kind of put that in its place and make a huge difference. And then, of course, the third component is the physical being, your body, the primate part of yourself. And that's, I think, maybe in some allusion uh to what to being called clay before i i had the image that it was mud you know and so i called that mud body and what is mud body like

mud body likes to fight mud body likes to fuck mud body likes to eat you know he just likes the physical parts of things and that's the the very animal side of us and and that's you know that's an important side i mean that's part of the joy and the magic of being alive but you can't get run by that shit either you know you can't be just on some obsession to cram as much pleasure into every orifice you can either food through your mouth and coke in your nose and dicks in your ass i don't know whatever whatever you know whatever mud body wants you can't just be a slave to that either. And really the key is to try and let that eternal, that best part of yourself run the show as much as possible. So that right there, that lesson, just being able to kind of visualize that, you know, it was so simple, but it's an experience that I'll always remember,

like even driving around, you know, concerned about something. I'll be like, I'll have a worry. I'll have a fear. And I'm like, ah, shut the fuck up, mind boy. You know, you're out of,

get out of here. Like, I don't need you right now. And you'll be able to kind of identify what's not to your best interest and just dispatch of it. Brian, do you have any desire to do Ibogaine?

Of course not, Joe. I think I'll, I'm happy not feeling any of this. I think that feels like death to me. That doesn't seem happy. I want to do stuff that makes me happy. Shrooms makes me happy.

Molly makes me happy. That's about it. We makes me happy. I think, depending on what your goals are, but I think that all the various psychedelic experiences can offer unique perspectives on life. But I think a little different taste of each one of them is going to give you a different sort of a thing.

Oh, yeah. They're different tools. You might think that you would hate it, but I bet when it was over, you'd be so happy. Does that sound funny to you, Joe? No, it does not sound funny to me. It does not sound funny to me. It gets the whole experience as a total.

I mean, it has certainly its positives and its negatives. But this, you know, so you have immense physical discomfort, but your mind is just on fire. I mean, you're thinking things really perfectly clearly. You've never eaten pot and gone into an isolation tank, have you? I did, actually. You did? But I don't have a good relationship.

That's the only time I've done the isolation tank, unfortunately. But I don't have a good relationship with pot, especially eating it. No. It's just not something that I can deal with well. pot like especially eating it no you know it's just not something that i can deal with well it gets me a little it gets me both oddly and paradoxically sleepy and anxious at the same time when i eat it although when i when i smoke it i feel either sometimes goofy but sometimes awesome and lucid so it's that kind of probably depending on what kind of pot you're getting too yeah right and i have no fucking clue yeah see, see, that's the issue.

I have no idea. Yeah, we've discussed that ad nauseum with people because most people in the country that don't have a medical marijuana program don't know

that there's two different types of pot. Yeah. Indica and sativa. I think everyone knows that shit nowadays. Most kids that listen to this show know that.

No, I think everybody knows that. My dad knows that. I'm telling people in case your dad's listening for the first time. No, my dad even knows dad even knows well your dad's a scientist yeah my mom was uh we're wants to smoke weed i think i think she's hinting at it and stuff like that because every time she's been bringing it up in such a positive light lately and then i talked to somebody

else's uh who i know their mom uh their friends from ohio and, and her mom wants to smoke weed right now. It's somebody that you know also, but I don't want to say who. And so it's kind of weird, and my mom's friends with that person. Wow. Well, you know what? Pat Robertson just turned the corner on everybody.

Yeah. Pat Robertson just said that weed should be illegal. Pat fucking Robertson. Good. Who thinks Satan is alive and well living in Afghanistan. You've got to get people over this fear. It's such bullshit. I mean, these are valuable fucking tools.

We've got to know about them. First of all, it's one thing for me to take it, but what if we had geniuses taking Ibogaine? That's what you need. You need to find these fucking people who are on the cusp of brilliance and give them access to these tools, and who knows what they'll find. Actually, I just recently learned that Francis Crick, the guy who first perceived the DNA helix, the double helix molecule,

admitted before he died that he perceived the DNA double helix while on acid. Yeah, I read that, but it's totally like there's no evidence of that. You know what I mean? Someone said it. Someone said it. It's completely anecdotal. Maybe. Maybe.

But it makes some sense. Well, it is true, though, that Francis Crick was a regular user of LSD. I think that has been documented. There's a lot of those guys. I mean, why wouldn't you be? Back in the day when no one really knew what the fuck was going on and none of these things had become illegal yet yeah and one guy would have amazing results and he'd be recognized as a you know a brilliant guy by his peers so they'd be

like well what the fuck are you doing let's let's try this what's happening here yeah i bet a lot of them did it it's been it's been around i actually finished graham hancock's book supernatural which is amazing isn't it awesome book yeah awesome book. He goes through that whole story of so many different cultures, back from the Paleolithic cave drawings to the Temple of Eleusis in ancient Greece and Rome, where he thinks they're eating ergot,

which is some mix of ergot fungus, which has lysergic acid in it. I think it is the hero's journey. That's what I think these psychedelic trips are. I know people say that sounds grandiose, it sounds ridiculous, but when you take a psychedelic, there's a reason why it's called a trip. It's not an ordeal.

It's a trip. You're going on a fucking hero's journey. You're going to be a hero of your own life, to sort of reconstruct your own life and get a chance at starting anew, get a reset button, get a perspective enhancement where you realize the terrible patterns that you've been existing under

and you don't have to do them anymore. Let's get through this. But yes, a harrowing ordeal, but every warrior must go through horrid battles. Yeah, that's it. I mean, we don't have the external fights that we used to. I some people do yeah ufc fighters they can manifest that but really those those kind of external manifestations of testing what you have in a life or death situation and we don't have it but where we can find that still is going deep you know challenging you know

facing your fears about death and coming out the other side i mean that that's we don't have sword fights anymore that's it yeah we don't have that anymore no musashi rolling around you know that was uh the reason why he was such a brilliant man about so many different things was because he had to be operating at full potential impeccability yeah you're fighting people with fucking swords man jesus christ he would always make people wait, too. Yeah. He was kind of the cunty like that. Musashi would always make people wait like hours

before he showed up for these duels. So they'd be so mad, they'd just charge at him, and then he would fuck them up. Or it was a gift, a couple extra hours alive, if you look at it that way. Yeah. Give him a few extra moments to savor. Of people having to wake him up on the day

he was supposed to have a duel. They'd have to wake him up and he would like leisurely eat a breakfast and then go where the fuck he was supposed to go. That's scary. Is there a scarier human?

No. The guy killed like 62 people with swords in one-on-one combat, man. Fucking A. I mean, to compare that to a fighter, it's almost like a fighter

who's never even taken a hard shot. Because the equivalent of a hard shot in a sword fight is death. Well, those days in feudal Japan, too, man. There was a lot of those ronins just wandering around, badass sword fighters. Like, what the fuck, man? Could you imagine if a guy rolls into town and he's really awesome at killing people with swords?

How fucking alpha is that guy? You're going to be terrified of him. This motherfucker wandering through the street, he's got 16 deaths, he's looking at you, he's got little fucking skulls tattooed on his cheeks from everybody he's killed. Holy fuck, man. Back then, there was no equalizers.

I mean, people had barely embraced the arrow, right? The Japanese weren't really into guns. Especially back in the day they thought it was like a like a cowardly way to fight which is really incredible when you think about it like they were they didn't want to embrace guns initially yeah honor honor was more important killing people with swords that has got to be the craziest fucking thing ever i mean that's why the japanese culture the samurai culture fascinates me so much what a unique

exploration of man in his most terrifying environment and what he does to steal himself for combat what he does to keep his mind pure, what he does to stay completely in focus and in control of his emotions, wow and the

answer is what he does is become a balanced man, what he does Wow. And the answer is, what he does is become a balanced man. What he does is become emotional and write poetry. What he does is become an artist. And what he does is work hard and turn his body into a fucking killing machine. And he balances it all out. And at the moment of battle, you remove all the emotions and you find that zen space. I mean, those are the scariest fighters nowadays. Jesus fucking Christ, they're fighting with swords.

You can see it in some of these guys walking out, the champs like Anderson Silva, Jon Jon. That kind of eerie calm where they're smiling and they look like they're high, but they're not high. They're just fucking in the zone like zen. That's fucking the scariest shit. When people are pounding themselves in the head and slapping themselves, yeah, it's a little scary too.

They're making a big show of things, but the fucking killers seem to be the ones that are... Anderson Silva's got that in spades. He's got it. If you looked at the one guy who's got, you know, fucking a full hand of aces when it comes to like his mental ability, his, you know, it's almost like not even fair. You know, when Anderson Silva steps in and he's like super confident,

he's got this crazy look in his eyes. You're like, this guy doesn't even look a little freaked out by the fact that he's in, like when he went to fight Rich Franklin for the title. Dude, he's fighting for the title, okay? I mean, and he walks in the octagon and he doesn't even look remotely concerned. Doesn't even look remotely concerned.

He's fighting Rich Franklin in the UFC for the title and he looks like completely calm and totally relaxed a guy who's got that ability to do that in the heat of combat and execute the way he does that's so rare yeah so rare that a guy comes along like that like the last fight that he had with yushin okami did you see that fight that was yes vintage anderson silva vintage yeah the end of the first round, he fucking head kicks Okami, and oh my God. If it wasn't the end of that round, surely he would have probably stopped it in that round.

He blasted him with a fucking head kick at the end of the first round, and then he just teased off on him in the second. You look at him and you go, who the fuck has ever been better than this guy ever? This guy's better than people that are in movies. You know what mean i mean john clive van damme never beat anybody's ass like that no doubt you know he got he got beat back you know when when anderson like beat up yushin okami he's like yushin okami is a beast he's a tough tough guy yeah and anderson just lit him up

but you know he's coming from another place it's another place and and really that that was actually part of understanding that was my third question on this on this aboga trip and it was about belief and it was he anderson said to get to that point you have just infallible belief that you are going to win and when it's within your control i think bruce lipton said it well too we do live in co-participation. But for something that you are in control of, if your belief is infallible in something like that, that you are going to fucking win, you're going to win. There's no doubt.

You can have infallible belief and get in there with Anderson and still get lit the fuck up. I don't think they do that. You know what I mean? If you have little study arms and shit, you get a tiny jaw. Yeah, for sure. Can't take a shot. But would that person really have infallible?

They may think. They may pretend that they have infallibly but some part of them some deeper part of them all the way through the layers would know oh okay but then we're admitting that it's genetically related it's genetically inclined oh sure oh sure the infallible belief only comes with reality it comes it's not it's not just a state of mind that's impassable that's right but also you know if anderson silva believed that he could lose i think he very well may lose even though he has the genetics i think belief still is a key but yeah you don't there's a natural defense there you don't believe things that are just not possible i think anderson believes because of experience and because absolutely he's he's you know it it's not just a crazy mind game. No, it's not esoteric at all.

He has a massive belief in his abilities, but you can't deny that having a strong belief in something has a huge factor on things, even physical things. Even things that you would think would be like meat-oriented. Yeah. You know, wrestling and fighting and things along those lines, but no, you know, there is a huge factor in belief belief plays a gigantic factor in performance and your ability to take risks your ability to believe in yourself and in scrambles

you know your your ability to make sure that you always come on top a lot of that is mind absolutely huge percentage of it 100 but a lot of it is also the the real thing is the discipline to fucking get your body into condition because you can't that's everything else that one piece that's just the tip of the iceberg that kind of mental state you have to have a solid pyramid underneath that and that pyramid is built from practice training experience hammering day in day out or you don't get to have that little your pyramids all fucking janky and and not correctly formed you only get to that sharp tip you know that final point if you have everything else built ufc fighters are like modern day samurais is what you're trying to say that's

it some of them some of them yeah some of them for real yeah that's i mean that's to me i mean there's no other sport that's even remotely in the same league as it for that very reason. There's no other sport where everything is on the line like that. You know, you're getting to see these guys' souls. Yeah. You know, you're getting to see their conviction. You're getting to see, you know, what they put themselves through and conditioning and developing their skills. I heard the last living samurai lives here in Los Angeles.

What's his name? I don't know, but he teaches classes downtown. Seriously. How could he be the last living samurai? When did the samurai days end? I think they made that movie about it. Was it Tom Cruise? Yeah, he lives in Los Angeles.

His name is Tom Cruise. He teaches classes. You have to be cute. We had someone on a podcast saying that. He teaches classes. Scientology? Yeah, you have to be cute. We had someone on a podcast saying that he takes samurai classes, and he was the last teacher or something like that. Yeah, well, I think it ended with that last rebellion that they crushed with Marumoto. I mean, it was based on a roughly, loosely,

I don't even think there was an American involved, but there was a samurai rebellion of people who were kind of holding out for the old way, and they got crushed eventually by the Imperial Army. So that story, I think, is loosely accurate, and I think that was the late 1800s. Yeah, Japan went through a long period of civil war, huh? Yeah.

Like 150-plus years, right? Yeah, they had some serious conflict. God damn! What a fascinating, fascinating culture. And to think that when you go there now, they're ridiculously polite. You know, people were saying that's only because of where you were. You guys were in a nice spot. And I don't know.

I mean, pretty much everywhere we went, people seemed to have, like, really nice manners. You know, that was one thing I noticed. Like, manners were, like, really at a very high standard. You know, even, like, among security. There's, like, they had no douchiness, even the security guards. It's honor. When you have to hold yourself

to standards of honor, I think it's something that we've largely forgotten. I mean, honor and this code of honor and chivalry, you have to treat others with respect,

even your enemies. I mean, treating your enemies with respect. Right now, our culture is more like treating your enemy with a,

fuck you, you fucking douchebag, you know, instead of... I like when you went, uh... But that's kind of the attitude. But in Japan, I mean, everybody, you know, the more formidable your enemy, the more you respect them. We did this podcast recently with Sam Harris, and Sam was talking about meditative states that can be reached

where you can actually recreate the feeling of being on ecstasy. And he said that what you would do is you would first start meditating on your friends, your loved ones, and love, and the idea of love, until you got to this extreme state. And then you would turn that love, instead of on your friends, you would turn it on anyone, turn it on anyone that you could think of. And then you turn it on your enemy. And that turning it on your enemy, like turning all that love on your enemy,

it's like the highest level of it. Makes sense. Yeah. I think, you know, I listened to that podcast and that was really interesting, but it was funny to me to hear that same guy talking about being in the zone, which is, you know know i was a basketball player and i know the zone and it certainly isn't every time i make two jump shots so whatever test they did for the zone it's not just you get in the zone for making two shots that just happens randomly you do that all the time if you're worth you know if you're a decent player but when you are in the zone and i think you were kind of hitting at it that is a that is a moment where your mind is removed and you're allowed to your body just does what it knows what to do. And you can get there in every sport. And when you do that, usually a great result accompanies it.

But it's a certain way that you do things in which you're not fucking up and sabotaging what your experience is capable of doing. And that is a phenomenon that exists. 100% exists. I'm sure. It's called dead stroke in pool. When you're playing pool you

get in dead stroke or dead punch yeah and you cannot miss and it might only last for one rack but whatever it is for that moment man you you're fucking feeling it man the pocket may be a soccer goal yeah you know at that point you know where the cue ball's going you have you have and it usually happens when you've been playing for like eight hours yeah like you play for so long that's you get in some sort of a weird half retarded state yeah where you become one with all your movements your mind is just removed that's the most maddening thing to me about pool is that that state that state can be achieved every now and again and that you're always constantly chasing that dragon yeah chasing that when you could just know you can just get out you just you can just get out.

You just run out. Just run out. Just keep running out. You know, I've heard it in pretty much everything, even non-athletic things. I think I did some little knick-knack stage acting in college, and there were some pretty good teachers there. And the teacher was talking about another very good stage actor who just came out one night playing Othello and just killed it,

like had the most amazing performance ever. And they went and talked to him in the dressing room,'re like aren't you thrilled that was amazing he's like no i'm fucking pissed off because i have no idea how i got to that state like he just found some groove where his mind wasn't thinking he wasn't analyzing what he was saying he was just being othello you know just really being it so it applies to so many things yeah beyond just athletics i know it i know it exists because i needed to go on stage yeah if i if i can't get into the zone when i'm on stage if i don't get in there if i'm not feeling the material if i'm not like one with the whole thing then it's not the same show it's not it's not the audience knows it i can say the same words but if i'm not tuned into what i'm'm saying, if you're not in that moment, it exists, man.

It exists. There's moments. It's just you can't really measure them. You can't. Because they're so brief, and you don't even – when they're happening, though, you know they're there. Here's a perfect example. There's a guy named Earl Strickland. He's one of the greatest pool players of all time multiple time world champion just

world world renowned pool player and uh there was a professional tournament where they had gotten a big insurance policy and the insurance policy said if anybody runs 10 racks in a row which is like virtually un-fucking-heard of there's only like a couple of guys who've ever done it ever nine nine ball nine ball nine ball ten racks in a row is preposterous the idea that you break ten times in a row and get a shot at the one is preposterous the idea that you mean it includes nine on the breaks it includes you know combinations but the idea that that you could get out ten times in a row is is preposterous especially on like a professional table yeah, they put up a million dollars,

and Earl Strickland smashed in 11 in a row. You can't tell me that guy didn't get in the fucking zone. No one's ever done that. The only other 10-pack that I've ever heard anybody ever running was Johnny Archer. It was a gambling session, a famous gambling session, with this Filipino player, Francisco Bustamante. And he ran 10 racks in a row.

And then the Filipino tried to double the bet. That's how dangerous those guys gamble. In the Philippines, they don't fuck around. Might have shook him out of the zone. At that point, he starts thinking about money. He starts thinking about, should I take it? Should I make a deal? Should I quit?

What about my honor? And then at that point, that's when the fucking dog creeps in. Just think about money. He starts thinking about, should I take it? Should I make a deal? Should I quit? What about my honor? At that point, that's when the fucking doctor... Just think about that. You just ran 10 racks on a guy. Now he wants to double the bet. How confident is this bitch? You didn't even get to shoot. For 10 whole fucking games, you didn't even get to shoot. He's just banking on the fact, like, bitch, you

cannot keep that up. You're going to fall apart and you're going to go, what am I doing? You're going to miss a ball and you might not ever make a ball again yeah no doubt yeah yeah this zone exists it's just it's just impossible to test i mean so you could go i like what he was saying what he was saying was he was coming from a point of cold hard science and he was like if you look at what it is if someone someone hits jump shots, are they more or less likely to hit their next shot? And looking at that numbers on paper.

I mean, scientifically, I see what he's saying. I mean, what he's doing, I think, is it's important to look at it from that angle as well. The scientific method is good. I just think the test is wrong because you can make three pool balls in a row. Well, there's unique moments. There's unique moments unique how do you test those unique moments you can make five balls in a row it doesn't mean you're in the zone maybe it just means that you made five balls maybe the sixth one is harder you know being in the zone is different you know hitting two shots

you hit two shots every fucking game doesn't mean anything right but there's a there's a player like every now and then like you'll see in a basketball game. You remember that kid? There was a kid, I believe he was autistic, and he was in a high school basketball game, and he was just fucking sinking these jump shots. You remember this? Yeah, I remember that. I mean, you can't tell me something was going on there. No, yeah. Tell me that kid didn't hit the zone.

Totally. I mean, that kid was the zone personified. He was. The whole audience was going nuts. He just drained these fucking three-pointers. quantified it was the whole audience was going nuts he just drained these fucking three-pointers like no no net or no no rim at all just right through the net every time that's it that's amazing everything even poker players just talking to this professional poker player matt vanger and he was talking to him and he's like i know when i'm in the zone in poker i just know what to do

i do my mind doesn't have to worry about it i know which way to go and you hit it you just it exists and it's almost impossible to test for and i think that's where you got to be careful is just because we haven't come up with the right test yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist you know it's like we're trying to apply tests that don't really work like you could test a million grandmas and see if they can lift a car you know but unless you're going to put their child underneath it right you know you can't see how much weight they can actually displace. I mean, the test, unless you're some Machiavellian evil sorcerer dictator, you can't create tests that would put these people in these situations

that would create the moment, that moment that defies statistical analysis. I need to get in more zones. I'm never in zones. The only zones I'm in are school zones or phone zones, but I've never needed anything that big of a zone. You live in a different life. When was the last zone you got into?

I get in the zone when I do jujitsu. I get in the zone when I do comedy. I get in the zone when I play pool. If I play pool for more than a couple hours, I can get into the zone. Pool's a hard one, though. It's hard. You don't play that often.

It's hard to get that zone. Yeah. It's a fun one, though. You don't get zoned, Brian, because you're not out there doing anything with your body. You don't move around. You don't play the dance of the body and the mind, the mind controlling the body. You don't go to yoga class. You know what I'm saying, Brian?

You're not out there working your kundalini. You're not out there trying to keep your chakraini. You're out there trying to keep your chakra strong. You're not out there doing that, are you? No. What are you doing? Smoking cigarettes, sleeping until noon? No, I've been waking up like crazy. You're waking up like crazy. What does that look like?

My alarm clock's still fucked up in Japan. I'm still waking up at like 6 a.m. for no reason. Do you use your phone? No, I don't use my phone. I just wake up and i can't go back to sleep oh you're really you're you're biological yeah and i and i still go to bed around well i like 11 12 which i'm used to going to bed like at four you know so my whole thing i can't change it it sucks well that's uh it's an issue called your circadian rhythms are a bit off actually I thought it was called TEHK. No.

Is there an on it pill that I can take for jet lag this bad? Well, methylcobalamin is supposed to help with circadian rhythms a bit. It's in the Shroom Tech Sport, but you don't work out. So that's probably why you're getting screwed by it there, Brian. I'm taking steroids in my nose for hours. You can just pick up methyl B12 at any... You should be working your nose out, dude. You can get your nose fucking huge right now.

I'm going to pick it until I have a six-pack. No steroids, just... Just pinch it. Play I got your nose. I'll get a big Wilford Brimley nose. Oh, Wilford Brimley. Does he have a large nose? I don't know.

Seems like he would. Seems like he would with a name like Wilford. Hiding behind that mustache. He probably has the biggest nose ever. It's probably got a gutter. I bet he has a huge nose. Yeah. I mean, that's why he's got this giant fucking tarpestry underneath it to distract you from

it. Oh, look at my nose. Yeah. So. All right. So I guess to go on to question number four, this is where it starts to get a little weird here. Okay.

Question four on. So I'm lying on my back. Things are pretty miserable, but I still have that kind of blinking cursor of truth kind of pointing at things. So everything to this point has been in words, and I've kind of figured myself out. I learned something about differentiating fear from danger. Danger is real. Danger is something impending that's about to happen it's a risk that you actually have and uh but and that's real but fear is an apparition it's false so you were poisoning yourself poisoning myself most of the time i mean there's very few situations where you're scared of something that's actual danger it's usually just fear which is fear is something to be obliterated there's no reason for I mean, acknowledging danger is a different thing. So that was kind of a lesson.

And then again, kind of what we were talking about with belief, just the power of belief, believing what you are capable of doing. I think other shamans called it intent as well. Some of the Mesoamerican shamans would call it intent. In the Puiti tradition, it's belief and different things as well. But whatever it is, um and and different things as well but whatever it is just believing and setting your intent for accomplishing something is one of the most powerful forces acting within your control in the universe and it applies to a lot of things so i was pretty

except like supernovas yeah i think you need a lot of belief for that but i mean i think that isn't it is an active force in the universe. And I think it's, again, difficult to quantify. But you talk to the people who have achieved many things. I think that belief component is an invaluable component. Yeah, I mean, if you want to make something happen, you've got to believe in it. And whatever it is, whatever it becomes, that might not have been what you initially visualized and

what you initially were hoping for. But you can steer it in a direction with intent and focus, whatever it is that you choose to focus your energy on. It's just, for some people, it's hard to find something they like. For some people, it's hard to find something they're into. It's a difficult little... To say you can choose to focus on something and you could be successful.

For some people, at what? There's a lot of people that... Yeah, I agree. And I think the key there, I think there's a quote from Cyrano de Bergeac, and it's one of my favorite quotes. Isn't that the dude that would... He had the big nose.

Yeah, he's a fictional character. He would write some shit for the handsome man? Right. It was a play by Edmund Rostand. And so one of his characters quotes, so it's really an Edmund Rostand quote. He was the original Millie Vanillia. Yeah. Well, he was actually writing speeches

for the other handsome man. For Millie Vanillia. But anyways, he said I was puzzled with all of the many options that i had in life and i'm paraphrasing because it's written in french and then i decided to be admirable at everything and so really did you say we so so the idea the idea that is just maybe you don't know but maybe just be the best you can at whatever you're doing yeah i think well it gives you satisfaction.

You know, my happiness has always come from doing things well. Yeah. Doing anything well. Whether it's playing pool or whether it's doing a set of comedy or whether it's writing something that I like or whether it's, you know, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. So if you can't figure it out yet, that's okay. Just be admirable at what you're doing.

And practice doing things in a way that result in success. And by practicing that, by the time you find that channel that you want to tune into and kick ass on, you'll have the experience. Yeah, maybe it's not in that same vein, but you have experience in trying to be excellent and striving to be admirable in whatever you're doing. So I think that would be kind of the best advice for those people who haven't figured it out. That's okay. But just practice how to do it once you figure it out. I think people would like to take just a happy pill and just sort of skate by with a smile all day.

If you could give someone a pill, they'd be happy all day. But I think you need to at least battle the lows to really truly appreciate the highs. You know what I really enjoy in California? When it rains. That's what I really enjoy California? When it rains. That's what I really enjoy California. Because it never fucking rains here. That's garbage.

It never fucking rains. So when it does rain, I go, oh yeah, we're lucky. Oh yeah, this is nature. Nature just comes down and dumps water on everything from the fucking sky. At its own discretion,

for as long as it likes, it pours fucking water on your head like that's important to know that that exists and that's when i really appreciate california when i experience anything you know remotely like weather that's the heart of daoist philosophy without bad weather there is no good weather yeah you know i mean you have to experience both sides in order to appreciate the one. That's why Milwaukee has Summerfest. Yeah, because they're fucking stoked. It's cold as fuck there in the winter, dude.

Yeah, that's why it is. They're so happy in the summer. I did stand up there once at Summerfest. It felt so bad because I've got to do my act. I'm doing what I'm doing. But I'm seeing people holding their babies. People are in the background walking around holding their babies, and I'm talking about blowjobs.

And I'm like, wow, this is wrong yeah this is sad at one point of time that baby could have fit in that woman's mouth so don't feel bad you can't ever have a summer fest in california people be like bitch it's summer all year long here what are you talking about we're gonna celebrate the fact that it's hot as fuck same in same in scandinavia i was there during summer where it's light 22 hours a in same in scandinavia i was there during summer where it's light 22 hours a day that's ridiculous just stoked because it was dark for 22 hours a day for part that's ridiculous too that's a shitty spot you people need to move gotheberg i was out there it was when it's dark all the time people lose their marbles right yeah

don't they go crazy yeah what happens it's only like light for like three hours a day yeah and it's three hours it's just barely it barely. It's not even real light. The sun doesn't pass anywhere close to the top of the sky. It's just this little crescent on the side. Why are you living there? There's people that need to realize that is not getting any better. They're praying for global warming. That's what they're doing.

They're holding out. With hairspray cans blowing in the air. They've got charts and graphs and shit. Well, as far as we're concerned, like now, we only have three or four more years before global warming becomes a huge, huge problem. Look, here's the charts, here's the graphs. Norway is looking good. Just buying up coastal property. Meanwhile, most of those places just fucking sink underwater anyway.

I mean, that's what happened before. That's what happened before, yeah. In case it's a banned Aquanet cans. Yeah, they said there's thousands of cities that people have never discovered that are just offshore somewhere just sunken when the when the uh the earth's sea levels rose rolls and fell we're always like living right right next to the water you know it's like whenever i drive by um malibu i think two things like wow how badass must it be to have a house like on the water like that's pretty badass i have a friend who has a house in the

water and we go over his house sometimes and check it out. I'm like, wow, this is crazy. He's got a house that's right on the water. I would want two houses, though, because that's also scary as fuck, don't you think? Oh, yeah. Well, it's his second house. He's a wealthy man.

Yeah. But his house on the water is a tiny little house, and it's like $4 million. I mean, it's crazy. You've got to pay a lot of fucking money to get a house on the water in Malibu. But damn, is it dope. Damn, is it dope. You're sitting on that back porch.

It's like, this might be worth it. This might be worth it. You just sit there. Hear the crash of the waves. Yeah, your bed is right there. Your bed is right there by the ocean. Are you kidding me? That's badass.

Well, it's our our friend like our one friend that owns the comedy club Sal he has a boat and he just sleeps in the middle of the ocean he just drops his anchor that's not the same

I don't think no that sucks that guy can get eaten by a whale that motherfucker read Pinocchio wouldn't it be crazy though just to wake up

things rocket you feel a little funny that's a terrible idea you hop off the boat your legs flip over and you drown. Houses can get jacked by tsunamis. That absolutely can happen.

Yeah, totally. I've seen it. Look, we're probably due. I mean, I hate to jinx everybody, but the idea that it's been so goddamn long since a significant natural disaster wiped out a giant chunk of life on this planet. It's almost like a little ticking time bomb. Those malibu houses bitch are you crazy you got a house right on the water how confident are you did you not like go to school you see like pansperia you know the whole the whole fucking continent used to be one thing and they're all separated why are you

bank pangea yeah why are you bent pants berries and meteors and carry life right yeah why i'm like why are you banking all your money on this one spot stand right there you spent four million bucks hoping that the ocean doesn't move in what if the ocean moves in you're out you just no more four million bucks how what happens there for real flood insurance you fall underneath that water that section section of water. There was one beach in Malibu that was, I think it was Broad Beach. It's like a very expensive, it's all expensive. The whole beach, you know, Malibu Beach is very expensive, but this one Broad Beach area is particularly expensive

because they have a large section of sand. So from their backyard, it's a long piece of sandy beach and then the ocean. Well, someone did something apparently, and this is all anecdotal conversational evidence. I don't know exactly how this works. Something changed that they did like up ocean or up tide or up current, like up in like Santa Barbara. There was something that was done. Yeah.

And now all of a sudden it changed the way the ocean comes in. And the ocean now comes in deep into their beach. And they've lost, like, most of their sand. That's a bummer. Yeah. And that can happen. Yeah. But it can happen in a major way.

All someone has to do is go up there and dig some shit and put up a fucking wall somewhere or do something wacky that somehow or another changes the current of the ocean coming down. And now it takes a little steep left turn. and now you don't have a beach anymore. Now your house is gone. If the poles shifted, like they say that they may or something like that. I don't know. I'm not an expert on that.

But if the poles shifted. Is there a pole shifting expert out there? I can help you out there if you want. It's a real science, right? I think so. I'm sorry. If the poles shifted? I think they have shifted before.

Yes. That's definitely happened. So if it's happened before, you think it can happen again. I'm scared again. Here you go. But then at that point, I mean, everything goes on. Most of the shit goes underwater because all the glaciers melt. And then it takes a while for the new glaciers to form.

So that ice hasn't been bounded up and frozen yet. How thick are the poles? The poles? Pretty goddamn thick. Thick as fucking ice. They drilled into that Russian lake, those Russian sites or the Antarctic Lake. It's under miles of ice.

These Russian guys have been working for years, and they finally just broke through and drilled into this lake. God, I forget the number of millions of years that was the last time this was exposed to light, but there's a liquid water lake miles under the ice. yet they don't know yet interesting what the fuck there could be anything under there man you know who knows buried under the ice people keep sending me this link you know 400 million year old fossil it's a machine it's 400 million years old these scientists and's a machine. It's 400 million years old. These scientists have...

And you look at it, you're like, that looks like life. It looks like a fossil of the bottom of some sort of jellyfish or something like that. Yeah.

Or a round cephalopod or what are those? Those sea urchins or something like that. Yeah. That's what it looks like. It doesn't look like a machine. But people are like,

it's a 400 million year-year-old machine. Holy shit, man. Like, whoa, what are you trying to say? It's funny that people get so stoked about some possible machine. But really, the most amazing machine possible was around 400 million years ago. It's called fucking DNA. DNA is 10 atoms wide. It's in every cell.

10 atoms wide, and it would stretch for 125 billion miles oh my 125 billion miles that's in our dna and so what they've identified is there's only somewhere between three to ten percent most bets are on three percent of your dna that controls your genes and so they've isolated that and they figured a lot of shit about out about what the dna you know what parts of dna control the genes well 90 maybe 97 of it they called junk dna right now that to me is a pretty ridiculous thought in in in and of itself because how would this survive through billions of years of natural selection if it was just junk don't you think you would kind of isn't that just a saying it's just a saying but they don't know what it does.

They have no idea. Yeah, but they don't really think it's junk. I think that's just like a saying. That's a saying. Because they haven't figured it out yet. But they do call it that. Yeah, they call it junk DNA. It's kind of the colloquial term.

Yeah, I think it's just they're being silly. I think it's, I don't know. Maybe. I might be being an apologist. But I think that's what they're doing. But in any case, they haven't quite figured out what it is. And I think it was Graham Hancock's book that kind of shed light on some of the other theories

about when you apply that to some linguistic theories, basically saying that there's a theory called zip, or a phenomenon called zip theory. And that's basically that the word rank and the word frequency are directly inversely proportional. So that means like the word the has, you know, has a word rank and the word frequency are directly inversely proportional. So that means like the word the has, you know, has a word rank of number one, right? The second word that shows up the most is the word of or something like that. And that will have half amount of occurrences in

the language if you stretch out enough books together as the word the. And then the third one will have a third as many occurrences. And this works not just for English. Obviously, it's different words, but it works for every single language. It's called Zipf theory. It's Z-I-P-F theory here, or Zipf phenomena. It's beyond a theory because they've demonstrated it in a variety of ways. And then so the DNA, when they analyzed,

so the DNA that controls controls our genes the part that controls our genes does not follow zip theory it's way off the charts because you'll form a straight line if you graph it by rank and frequency of the different codes there's these different different codes of the different um molecules that form up dna the nucleic acids but if you apply it to the 90 you know that there, then it follows linguistic zip theory phenomenon. So basically, the theory is that this is this some ancient encoding process. It's an encoding process, encoding and storing massive amounts of information, more information

than any machine could ever possibly record. There's 125 billion miles of 10-atom-wide language that's in all of our cells. And that kind of applies to a bit of what some of these different shamans and some of the theories are saying, that we're actually accessing knowledge that was previously hidden that's encoded in our DNA, in this language, the junk DNA part of our, the language that's in the junk DNA part of our cells that's encoding a lot more. Really interesting theory. But the point of all of that is, yeah, maybe that's exactly what it is. Maybe it's not.

But we are an unbelievable biotechnical miracle. You know, I mean, the champions of technology. Yeah, technology is cool and we're doing some cool stuff. But what's already in our body that we have no fucking idea how powerful and what it's capable of? I mean, I think that will be the next true revolution in technology. After we figure out how to go faster and farther and whatever other nonsense we're going to do, we're going to eventually figure out we've got to start unlocking what we're capable of.

Accessing those areas of the brain that we think don't do anything. Being able to uncode the DNA that we haven't figured out yet. Do you think that places like this place you went to in Costa Rica could exist if they made Ibogaine legal in America? I mean, it sounds to me like there's a lot of legality. I mean, a lot of people would go nuts. A lot of people would want to leave. There would be physical issues.

They'd be fucked up on this drug, running around maniacs you'd have to contain them you can't you can't run so that's not okay that's not a problem no one can run you can't get like one crazy dude's got a weird time all right so let me tell you so i'm sitting there i'm asking all these questions i'm going to go back to some of the tops of the questions but let's say so at a certain point you know this was after i started thinking thinking about the earth and it was i was getting really nauseous at this point so i pop up i pop up and i'm like i gotta puke like this this nausea was horrible like ayahuasca comes in a short wave and you go and it's out and you feel good you feel cleansed like ah that was a lovely vomit you know or you take a good diarrhea shit

and it's gone you know and no worries this was just like nausea, like the worst food poisoning ever. So I sit up and I vomit and I take the blindfold off and lights are kind of blinding my eyes. I can't hardly see anything. And I'm puking and it's just terrible. I'm just retching up this acidic bile. It was awful and dry heaving. Do you do the worst spokesperson for this experience ever?

You're like, well, I learned a lot about myself. Don't be negative. I'm out of my ass. You've got to get to the end. Okay, sorry. But it gets, yeah, this part is bad. I mean, this is not easy stuff. So then I stand up.

I've got to take a piss at this point too. So I was like, I stand up. Why don't you just piss all over yourself? Pissing around like a man. at this point too so i was like i stand up why don't you just piss all over yourself yeah so so i go and i'm just stumbling and staggering to the bathroom being horrible like i can usually control on ayahuasca you could walk a tightrope you know you'd see funny shit but your balance is not fucked up like being super stoned right like your balance isn't fucked up even when you blasted to the moon like you can sort of navigate i couldn't navigate shit like the world was spinning it looked like i was viewing through those old tvs channels it had

the the horizontal lines of of static you know like yeah it was like like all across my vision and so i get to the bathroom i'm like stumbling around holding the walls and i'm going to take a piss and then and i and i go and i'm like oh fuck what's going on here because i go to take a piss and i look down and i have like the hardest boner i've ever had except it's just the opposite way just shrunk to its miniest densest form of the tiniest and i was like what the fuck as small as you ever saw a dick like pulled up and yeah just like fucking right down to the point i'm amazed at how small my dick can look sometimes oh yeah it's really shocking scary like i wouldn't want people to see it was even

people that know it i know i mean this was like this was like unreal and i think maybe from the stimulant effect who knows but whatever i was like fuck this is bad so then I started to think at that point, I was like, all right, maybe I should think about pussy or something like that. To get your dick parted? To get something working right down there. Oh, that's hilarious. Because you're scared because your dick is so small. Yeah.

That's hilarious. I was like, what is going on? Oh, my god. But then that was an even huger mistake. That was a real mistake. Because with truth rampaging in my head, the minute the idea of pussy came in my head, I started to try

to understand pussy and that is a disaster like nobody wants to understand pussy like it's good to be admired from afar without seeing like the biological uses of every different part of it so anyways that was a fucking that was a fucking nightmare that luckily i got that out of my head before i ruined things for a while, but then crashed back to bed. But the physical... What did that experience smell like? Smelled like the fucking vomit that was coming out of my mouth.

But the physical experience, the whole point of that being, the physical experience is brutal. I mean, your body is going through some serious work, but your mind is just on this fucking beautiful channel that you can access things that are really remarkable. And do you think that this interface that you saw where it was almost like a cursor and you move it, was that influenced by your own experience with computers?

And you think that it was like implanted? Like, well, this is an easy way to describe it to him. Let's just show it to him like this. Totally. I think a lot of this stuff is just coming from what's best to explain to you how to do it. Here's the most familiar way he's used to is a computer screen, click on this. Totally. And that's how it comes to you. And that was very evident too, because everything else up to the first three questions were voiced, like I said. And then I

was like, all right, I want to focus beyond myself and really kind of get out there. And so I started asking questions about other phenomena. And so I was like, all right, why not go for the fucking, the big one? What's the nature of God, the universe and infinity? And so immediately I started getting this image of the universe and planets. And these planets were like bursting out like the Big Bang. And I could see them. I could see them coming from a point and then differentiating, bam, out. And I saw him pushing out into this nether, into this void that was like dark matter. And the dark matter, you know, it seemed like nothing, but it had just the mildest resistance, you know, to it. And eventually this burst, this big bang goes out and it runs out of energy. And when that runs out of energy,

everything starts to suck back in slowly, slowly, slowly, boom, and goes back into another point, which is another big bang. So it's like, and so I saw that and I was like, whoa, so this is like, you know, this happens on a cycle. And then I was like, I got it. I got it. That makes sense. So this infinite big bang, like a heartbeat of the universe. And then that clicked.

And then what I saw was this giant kind of electronic titan that was like running and the titan was running and the universe was like its heart inside and i was visualizing this like crystal fucking clear you know no words this time this is just images and the titan is running and his act of running was what was keeping the heart pumping and that is what it told me that was the the nature of God, was this Titan. And the reason all that God is doing basically is running. He's running so that life can exist, so that the heartbeat of the universe will continue. He's not making decisions. He's not deciding whether the Denver Broncos beat the fucking Colts or whoever else people think that this God up there is trying to do. No's doing the important thing which is continuing to run and continuing to let that heartbeat of the universe go and allow there

to be life and that was the force behind it and so that i mean this is getting kind of really out there but it's it shows it just comes to you these these answers come to you in these questions and then at the point and i was like all right well what do you think that any of this is like stuff you already knew from school? Maybe, maybe. Sort of being- Certainly, certainly. Recreated by your imagination, by under the stimulus? I'm not saying that this isn't anything but the best thinking I've ever done on topic.

I don't think there has to be any, even when I'm going to talk about talking to other people. I don't think it necessarily means that I have to be actually talking to them. It's what you're getting out of this. But it's just understanding. Is it a mechanism for you understanding things better? I feel like a boga is. Now, with ayahuasca, I really felt like there was something other. Like I was going to something other.

With a boga, I can explain all of it by just my very best thinking on any topic that I pointed to. Thinking that I would not be capable of without it in a bogus situation. So to finish that, and then the nature, I was like, what about the nature of infinity? And then boom. And I think you even have a comedy bit on this, and it's about the infinite parts of the universe. There wasn't just one Titan. There was thousands of Titans, and they were all running around on a circular track. And that's the nature of infinity, this heartbeat in as many universes as you can imagine and as many heartbeats as you can imagine

running forever in an elliptical loop. Well, if you just think of how big the fucking solar system is, just the solar system, just the shit that we know, just what we have pictures of, you can't even wrap your head around how many miles that is, how far away it is to get to fucking Neptune in your car. You can't even wrap your head around how many miles that is. How far away it is to get to fucking Neptune in your car. You can't even wrap your head around it. It's beyond belief that anything can truly be that far.

Now, realize that that is a fraction of a galaxy. And then not even a very big galaxy. A normal-sized galaxy. And then even in the center of every galaxy, there's a supermassive black hole that is one-half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. The bigger the galaxy, the bigger the black hole. And they believe inside every one of those supermassive black holes

may very likely be a whole other universe with hundreds of billions of new galaxies, each with black holes, and that that's how the universe is structured. That the universe is massive massive impossibly large things that are inside of massive impossibly and it just goes on and on and on and on fractally forever yeah that's in that but it sounds people say that's crazy that's nuts how is that possible it sounds like nonsense but what are you talking about it all sounds like nonsense space sounds like nonsense the goddamn moon sounds like nonsense. Space sounds like nonsense. The goddamn moon sounds like nonsense.

There's a giant fucking rock that could fall on us and smash us to bits. And it's flying over our fucking heads every day. And we're like, oh, look, the moon. If that fucking thing fell out of the sky and just dropped on us, it is a fucking miracle. It's floating in the air above us. It's gigantic. It's made out of rock. It's 260,000 miles away us. It's gigantic. It's made out of rock. It's 260,000 miles away, and it's fucking huge.

It's one quarter the size of us, and it's just floating above us, just flying through fucking space right above us. That alone doesn't give you a little, wake up, this is all crazy. You think there couldn't be a universe inside every black hole? How is there a black hole? How is there a universe? It's all fucking nuts.

Of course there could be, stupid. It could be nuttier than that. It could be it goes the opposite way, deep down into your own cells, into your fucking string theory. It could be anything. It could be massively small or massively large. Imp impossibly large or impossibly

small and that was this so so how this came to me i think is interesting because everything else before was words it was it was not so much like something was speaking to me but i but i i was cognizant of it in words everything else that kind of came this was pure pictures it was almost like words are not going to fucking help you out here buddy like so i'm going to give you straight images on this question and that was this kind of what kind of images that was the image of the heartbeat of god the blue titan running around this track you know that was the only way i guess from my mind to be able to grasp sounds like an awesome movie yeah that sounds like a really cool episode of the watch i would really love to get it animated by a cool...

Because I have it perfectly visually in my head. Dude, I bet somebody would be willing to do it. Explain it. Explain it again. What does it look like? What is the vision? It's a giant blue titan. It's kind of a little bit...

It's almost like it's made up of limited pixels. It's not very well defined. When you see a titan. Like a giant. Just a giant. Like an old giant. A mythical giant. Greek mythology. Green of color. But it's blue. Going cloth or no? It's more made of blocks. like a giant like a giant like an old giant mythical giant mythical greek mythology right

green color but it's blue loincloths or no just it's more made of blocks you know like blocks pixelated exactly like large translucent pixels and you can see through its body just the heart doesn't have anything else but the but the prism and the heart and the heartbeat of the universe boom is pumping and flowing out and all the planets are going out and then coming back in big bang retraction big bang retraction and it's and it's running just steadily same speed that's the nuttiest mind fuck of all time the nuttiest mind fuck of all time is that you know even though we we understand this concept of the universe being infinite we understand this concept of of each individual black hole having universes inside of it what if all of that all of that is just a part of something that's going on inside the

atom of a much larger yeah yeah and then it really does go on above that as well to this much larger being, being in a galaxy, being a part of another universe that's above... I mean, if this exists, why not that as well, right? Why not infinite progressions of it? We just can't be aware of it. We could barely deal with life

being aware of what we are aware of currently. Right. It's too much. It's too much to kind of adjust. Could you imagine if they tuned in to all the other dimensions? So all of a sudden the scientists have this new fucking television set. There's a giant Sony TV and they're fucking just cranking

this dial and tuning in to next dimensions and you get to watch the impossible. You get to watch a world where physics doesn't work the same. A world where everyone's made of light. You know? What if the government always lied about how far space was really like NASA

and like all that shit was bullshit we would go there all the time but only select few would go on to the other side like space was only like I don't know like two hours up in the air and the whole time they just lied about how far the sun was how far the moon was the whole NASA thing

everyone knows how far the moon was because you were told by who? the government okay They do calculations. Everyone knows how far the moon is. Yeah, but because you were told by who? The government. Black helicopter, sure. Okay. Interesting. Crazy, crazy theory. I don't know if I can ride with you on that one.

He's getting back at me. I don't know if I can ride shotgun on that one. He's getting back at me for my intelligent kangaroo theory. That's what he's doing. I know what the fuck he's doing. This is revenge for yesterday. Yesterday I was saying, will we allow kangaroos to get like

super smart like if kangaroos started eating some leaf and all of a sudden they started figuring out the world and using tools and we drove by the kangaroo colony and they're fucking welding and shit and putting together armor would we allow that the fuck no yeah what if kangaroos built made swords and came into town we would never allow that no we don't we don't allow other intelligent life forms to exist and to be running shit. What if cats could talk on this other side and that they work for those people that get to live on the other side and they sent the cats as like a security guard to watch what we're doing, like a really high-end video camera. Well, for real, for real.

I just went through 24 hours on a boga. I couldn't follow that. What's up with the Egyptians loving cats? Why do they love cats? Exactly. Graham Hancock goes into that a little bit. These therium morphs, I believe he calls them, these half-feline, half-people, basically gods,

that come out as spirit teachers. And I think it's related to the god, what was it, Ubasti. Ubasti was the Greek cat god. I mean, the Egyptian cat cat god the name was ubasti and it was a one of those figures that would uh that would appear to them you know actually i i started thinking about egypt when i was when i was on this uh on this trip this is one of my later very later questions i was like how the fuck do they build the pyramids and and really good fuck yeah i was i was just like at the end i mean you're under so long you're just trying to think of shit to think of you know so i was like all right and then what i really what

it's what it started to tell me was it was like well you underestimate how much you know an unlimited multitude of people linked together unified to trying to do something as if their life depended on it can accomplish you know like how did they move this 10 ton block well there was fucking 20 000 of them who would be killed if they didn't move it you know so they just fucking put enough ropes you know kind of this gulliver's travel that's interesting type of thing and they put enough ropes and link them enough together and have enough people playing tug of war and pulleys and whatever and that just you have these ropes that extend i saw this image of these ropes that extended for you know like a mile i don't know

how long it really was there's a vision but just everybody kind of pulling together unified as if their life depended on it and that's how a lot of this shit got got done it wasn't as esoteric as maybe uh we want to think it was just just underestimating that many people working together with that kind of intent yeah but they'd all have to understand what was going on they'd all have to be uh some of them construction some of them would some of them would so there was like the supervisors that knew how to set up the pulleys and how to right attach the right knots that could support a string of 40 you know. Well, obviously someone did it somehow. I mean, my thought has always been

they probably had some technology back then that was wiped out with their civilization. You know, I mean, essentially at one point in time, the Egyptian pyramids and when you would, you know, the Sphinx, like when, I believe when Napoleon found it, it was like covered. You know, wasn't the Sphinx covered again?

It was covered by sand. There was nobody living there, right? Wasn't that what was going on? Not sure on the details on the Sphinx. I think it's possible that the people that built those things knew more than we think they knew. And a lot of that information was lost in the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

I think they probably had some machines that we don't give them credit for. But the most interesting thing that I've read recently is about the pyramids is that they believe that the stones were actually cast. And this guy, he links the water profile of these stones to the difference between straight limestone and straight granite and whatever different... What is most of the pyramid made out of I know the outside was like a smooth limestone but what are most of the cheese whatever whatever they're made out of whatever the fuck they made out of this guy has demonstrated that this can easily be made as cement and they could cast it which makes a lot more

sense like bricks yeah and then you know that that's how it was made so perfectly that's how these molds I mean mean, there was one mold. They certainly were doing some unique things. I mean, in the megaliths in Peru, the way that they were creating these, cutting these stones out, they had some tricks up their sleeve. I'm not saying that. Oh, they had amazing tricks up their sleeve.

Just the fact that they, in the Great Pyramid of Giza, is a marvel. I mean, there's no one today has recreated that. I mean, not to say that they couldn't. I mean, there's no one, no one today has recreated that. I mean, not to say that they couldn't. I mean, it might be possible, but God damn, what a piece of work that is. 2,300,000 stones. And some of them,

they're way like, I think it was the big ones in the king's chamber, they get up to like 80 tons or something fucking crazy. Jesus Christ. A lot of slaves. A lot of slaves. Big stone sarcophagus. What a badass civilization they were

amazing you know when you really stop and think about these people were living like 2500 BC they were rocking it

like this that's just incredible man you know what was another cool thing I got out of the supernatural was that usually we think of

King Tutankhamen's tomb as unlooted completely unlooted well it was unlooted in modern times but in antiquity it was looted once and the only thing they saw there's mad gold in there like we've recovered everything from their gold riches whatever but they had 400 liters of a special liquid that was buried along with tootin common and they found that um the residue that makes them believe that it was a that it was their potent psychedelic combination

of mandrake, water lily, and poppy. And the residue that they found on some of these urns leads them to believe that. And that's the only thing that was jacked from Tutankhamen's tomb. So that was like the magical pharaoh elixir. That allowed them to see all these theriamorphs and have these visions of people crossing the other side. And even on king ramses tomb there's the most fucking mind-blowing thing ever it looks like it's called the men with the twisted cords and it's like these dudes holding a dna strand and they're like part of

the gateway between life and death and you look at that and you're like that's fucking dna like men holding like in a line like just holding these twisted cords that look exactly like a double helix. I've seen very Egyptian style things on DMT. I've seen very Egyptian style, like physical imagery. Yeah. You know, I think there may be something to these visual experiences that people have while they're on these visionary plants, that it gets etched into the experience.

And so like when you're taking mushrooms and you close your eyes and you see like Mayan temples and shit like that, it might be because you're absorbing the experiences of these fucking people that lived in the Mayan temples. To be honest, Joe, your, your,

your house does look like in an Egypt ride at Disneyland. So I don't i think you would definitely have to think about egypt shit here yeah here for sure that's that's well more tibet really in uh hindu stuff yeah i don't know fascinated by all that stuff man i think a lot of the the visions that these people uh have had to create certain things certain uh you know like different these these this combinatory creature that exists in so many different psychological or psychedelic states, rather, where it's an animal and a person combined. And there's like so many of those.

There's, you know. From the old caves at Chauvet. Yeah. There's the monkey man. 30,000, 40,000 years ago. Yeah. All to, you know, more recent cultures. Yeah, there's all of these myths.

Yeah, I just... What the fuck is that all about? So there's a couple of different ways you can look at it. Either, and Graham Hancock posits this, either these supernatural entities actually exist out there and you're actually accessing, you're communicating with them. That's certainly one possibility, one hypothesis. They exist in a dimension that you're tuning into that frequency of that dimension and they're really there that's why people keep seeing them the other thing would

be that and this is kind of a little bit more where i'm starting to fall into is that you're trying to translate information and that information is coming through something that's very difficult for your cognition to understand so teachers patterns of different teachers that are trying to tell you something appear to you you know and they appear to you to kind of tell you things guide you things show you things and there's some commonality into what we see and manifest from these truths that we're trying to get from the other side and And it's just kind of a translation technique that knowledge comes into us and slams against our filter and creates these theriamores, these half people, half God. So it's almost like it's a different language, and this is how we're deciphering it. It's like when you go to Google Translate and you throw in something, somebody says,

like someone will say something to me in Portuguese from Brazil, and I go, I don't know what that dude just said. Let me go check this out. And I'll go, and it's always like, the translation's crazy. It's always wonky, you know, because it never comes across like an English sentence, because the language is completely different. So that's probably what we're doing. So the experience and the information and the knowledge is real.

It's just being presented to you through a way that the universe believes you'll understand. And that way is created by your imagination. Right. I think it's hitting your own filter. So that's why you don't care if you're talking to people in your psychedelic experience, if they're real or not real. What you care is that you are getting something out of the experience the way you would

if you were having a conversation with a real person, and that the real benefits are there, whether it's some sort of a mechanism that this higher intelligence, this plant-based higher intelligence is using to transfer information to you, or whether or not you're really fucking talking to dead people. That doesn't matter. What matters is that you're getting out of this what you would get out of this if you were talking to a wise dead person.

And wise is the key. Because Terrence McKenna once said, just because someone's dead doesn't mean they were smart. Don't ever listen to ghosts. I always thought that was great. Because I fucking would hate it when people would sit around and fucking hold hands and channel. And then some voice from beyond would give you advice and just because you're dead doesn't mean you're smart can you imagine if you're talking to some dead person they were just really stupid they were dead and they just had these run-on sentences

but they were so happy that anybody was listening to them because now all of a sudden they're special in the real world they would tell boring fucking sentences their conversations were deaf like people come over oh here this motherfucker comes, people would come over, oh, here, this motherfucker comes. And people would run. But as a ghost, like, now he's the shit. You know, as a ghost, like, you could show up and fucking TV shows would be written around this asshole talking. You know? If he showed up on Ghost Hunter and started talking to people in the basement, they'd be like, holy fuck, this is a hit.

There's a real ghost. Go to Ghost Hunter. Like, yo, man, I'm huge now. You know? People love to hear me talk. You guys said I was a run ghost. Go to Ghost Hunter. Like, yo, man, I'm huge now. You know, people love to hear me talk. You guys said I was a run-on, and then fuck you, okay? Because a lot of people think what I have to say is very interesting. Imagine if that was a ghost.

Every ghost, the only ghosts that are allowed is people that were so annoying that they didn't want them in the afterlife. So they got to the door, and they got kicked out. So what ghosts are is people that are hanging out on the front lawn of the afterlife. What if his name was Kangaroo Jack? Kangaroo Jack? What is that?

It's a movie, an annoying kangaroo movie from the 80s. What is that movie? I remember that. What do I remember that? I don't know. It's really annoying.

What if Jar Jar Binks was your ghost? I think, you know, it's a, man, it's a tough call when you start trying

to figure out what's real and what's just these tools and information. But, you know, Iboga definitely points you in. And the other though man it gets hard that's why when you're doing ayahuasca and things it's hard not to really truly believe that there are other dimensions out there at least and well the dmt experience which is essentially the same as the ayahuasca experience although more intense and short it is the hallmark of the experience. The one almost universal description of it is that you are encountering someone.

You are encountering something. You are encountering an incredible intelligence. You are encountering something that thinks everything's funny. And really, across the board, though, when you're on these, one of the truths that comes through that's very almost impossible to debate once you're underneath and you've been enough of these trips is the existence of an infinite soul, of something that transc then that has to have some kind of other dimensional, dimension if you want to call it, certainly where it operates. So I think it's hard to imagine there not being another dimension.

But are there half-lion, half-man apparitions, or half-dog, half-man, like Anubis? Are these real, or are these translation you know maybe there's just us and then there's souls because I know I really feel like I know that you know as I've seen it too many times I sold souls have you seen souls well I've seen my own I see on my own very early on which kind of started me on this whole journey very early on I saw my own lift out of my body. In a dream?

No, under a psychedelic experience. What were you on? I was on mushrooms and Syrian Roo, I believe. What is Syrian Roo? Isn't Syrian Roo an MAO inhibitor? Yeah. Jesus Christ, dude. Yeah, it was intense.

Oh my God, you're not supposed to do that. I'm not recommending any of this. Yeah, listen, folks at home, at home mckenna had this uh this this uh talk once where he was describing what happened when he combined um mushrooms and ayahuasca then he fucked up because you know ayahuasca also has an mao inhibitor and mao inhibitor apparently makes mushroom the mushroom experience much stronger and then with the ayahuasca as well all this this together literally was losing his mind. It was watching his memory getting eaten up in front of him and destroyed.

That's a bad experience. I don't know. Whatever. This happened to work synergistically. So I watched my... It worked. In what way? You're tripping the ball, son. It completely eradicated fear of death.

Eradicated fear of death. And that's a huge obstacle for a lot of people. Then why don't you fight in the UFCfc bro are you having like injury that's for injury are you having any side effects from all this shit like are you looking at like a blank wall does it look like a blank wall or does it look like a floor no you're more you're more you're really more lucid more happy really is the only side effects that i've that i've encountered but this was this one early on being able to see my body distinct from my spirit, that was something that I've reinforced that in further experiences.

But that was something pretty unique. And then from there, I learned different things. That was a pretty powerful trip for me, actually, too, not to digress from my Iboga trip. At that point, I realized some synergies between the heaven and hell myth, because I realized that once the soul leaves the body, at that point, you have really perfect clarity on looking back at your own life. I totally interrupted you.

So what were you saying when you were, what were you on the path of saying when you were talking about the Syrian ru? Yeah, well, that was an early experience with a shaman in Mexico, actually. How old were you when this happened? I was 20. That was 11 years ago. You were a little baby.

I mean, a lot of these initiates, shit, the iboga shaman I went to, he started doing iboga at nine. Oh, Jesus. Nine. Jesus, look at you, buddy, be upset. You stole that candy. Remember when you stole that candy. His grandfather had to take it. Nine. Jesus, look at you. You better be upset. You stole that candy. Remember when you stole that candy.

His grandfather had to take it. No. Nine years old. But for me, the first one was 20. And that experience was invaluable. And then I was able to separate my body from my soul and realize that this is just a temporary thing. And then make some synergies, too, about what heaven and hell really was.

Heaven is when you leave your body and you can look back on your life and say, God damn, I did a good job. I did the best I fucking could. Yeah, I fucked up sometimes, but I lived a good life. I treated people well, and the earth and the people in it were better for my existence. And that feeling of kind of love and gratitude as you're being kind of sent back to the spirit world, that's a blissful, ecstatic feeling. That's the feeling of Sam Harris. Just expressing that. What you said just now, right now, just to plant that thought into the ideas of, into the minds of people. Plant that idea into your everyday view of life, that the best way to live life is just

to do your best and be cool to people and be nice and get through this as easy as you can. And it can be done by all of us that's the one thing if you're not some fucking serial killer right now that needs to turn yourself in you know almost virtually anybody can turn their shit around virtually anybody can put themselves on a positive path it's just so fucked that we're denied the use of these psychedelic compounds and denied their use in this sort of a clinical setting i mean they can have you and bring you to fucking rehab and take you to Malibu and you hang out in some fucking place

and they give you spring tea with lemon juice in it and you detox yourself and you try to talk about your feelings and why you were really getting down with cocaine. And then you have a 10% success rate and you're, you know. Yeah, that's not going to really fix you, okay? Just sitting around and just not being on the drugs. That's not really going to fix you. It's going to, like, make you relax.

And then you're going to get to this point of instability. And you're going to get the itch again. And you're going to look to fill up a void, whatever the fuck it is. It's your childhood. It's your genetics. It's whatever it is, whether it's a physiological addiction or psychological addiction. You're going to run and try to stuff that hole, right? Yeah, that's it. addiction or psychological addiction, you've got to run and try to stuff that hole. It's a sad, sad thing

that we know this now essentially for a fact. The John Hopkins University study on psilocybin and the proof, or at least the demonstration that it changed people's personalities. Just one trip 20 years ago changed their personalities. I mean, come on, man. Isn't that what we want? Don't we want a better world?

Don't we want nicer people?? Don't we want nicer people? We don't only want it. We need it. We need a goddamn president to come on television and say, we need to incorporate the psychedelic experience

back into our people in order to foster the ideas of love and kindness and compassion and community, the true feeling of community, not just as an esoteric idea, not just as an abstract notionic idea not just as an

abstract notion that you sort of pay credence to but as a real community a community of loved ones people who have shared the same experience people who feel the same way that you do the agreement that they'll be just as cool to you as you are to them you know because we really are one crazy fucking super organism that could be achieved it's just i don't i mean look you look back on what's you know what's taken place just in the last couple hundred years a couple hundred years is nothing but you know there was slavery there was crazy there's civil war there's all kinds of nutty shit a couple hundred a couple hundred years from now it's not outside the realm of possibility that some bad motherfucker introduces the concept

of psychedelics back into culture, and it completely eradicates this whole system of corporate influence and ruining the environment, and everything is done ethically from then on out. Everything is, all energy is focused in a way that can never be greedy, that can never be monopolistic, that it is entirely possible. If we keep psychedelics around and keep the open, free exchange of information around on the internet, and we don't blow ourselves up. If we can pull that all together, it's a matter of how deep it gets into the culture. I mean, it's already been introduced into the youth.

The youth of today are a completely different animal than the youth of just 10, 20 years ago. They're completely informed. They're bad motherfuckers. A 20-year-old kid today, you can't sleep on a 20-year-old kid today. They know way more than I did when I was 20. I've had some conversations with 20-year-old kids and go, what the fuck, dude?

It's legal. You're really 20? What's legal? Sleep with a 20-year-old kid. How dare you, Brian? How dare you, Brian? You threw me off my track. But not allowing this to happen is worse than just preventing people from their best.

Yes, it's preventing evolution. It's really condemning them to a certain hell is what I realized in this first one. It's condemning them to the hell of they're going to die at one point. And all these misconceptions and all of the bullshit excuses and the rationalizations that they've been using to beat their wife or whatever fucked up thing they've been doing. Oh, she's a fucking stupid. She needs to learn. Whatever. I'm just using a bad example

maybe. But whatever bad thing that a bad person... Maybe he's a dick. What about that? Whatever bad thing that that person has allowed himself to do, has rationalized himself to do, when he dies, he's going to look back and go, oh oh fuck i was a dick i hurt this person and they're going to relive every single moment of their wickedness with god's like god's eye clarity you know that perfect infinite clarity back on their life and that's hell you know that's hell having to think

i did this me stupid fucking me did this. And that takes a long time to forgive. And I think that's that hell concept that's actually based in something real. I think the use of and the lessons learned from humbling experiences, whether they're physical experiences like rites of manhood, things that challenges that people have to go through, like the real passages where they feel real. There's a reason why they're engineered, I think,

into a lot of religions and a lot of tribal societies, these rites of passage. And, you know, they're not always, they're not always sane. Like some of them are fucking crazy,

like the New Guinea ones where they have to drink loads. Have you heard of this? No. Oh, pull this up on Google because it's the most ridiculous thing ever.

In New Guinea, men have to, to become a man, they have to give most ridiculous thing ever. In New Guinea, men have to become a man. They have to give fucking blowjobs. New Guinea tribe. Hold on. Oh, it's the most disgusting thing ever. It doesn't even make sense.

Hold on. I'm pulling it up on Google here. See, but that's just a gay dude trying to make fun of us. No, but it's a whole fucking community of gay dudes. Yeah, but I've heard of fraternities who have some similar stupid shit. But that's really just like a couple gay people in the right position at the right time that decide to make this the ritual.

You could have chosen something better. This is real shit, man. This is really freaky, but it is real. This is going on right now today. Bizarre homosexual rights are practiced extensively by numerous Melanesian tribesmen in New Guinea and adjacent islands. Young boys must accumulate semen for several years, either by regularly receiving anal

penetration or by swallowing the ejaculations of older males they fellate. This ancient custom springs from a religious belief system that regards sperm as the essential conduit of masculine energy. Puny boys, they believe, are only transformed into virile warriors if they ingest large quantities of sperm. Oh, my God. That culture, I'd be willing to bet, does not have a psychedelic component to their belief system. By the way, these guys are also fucking headhunters. Yeah. The ruthless headhunters with sparkly outfits.

They're not living with the truth. But I think that just goes to show how if someone gets in early and sets up some kind of tradition, like a lot of these world religions, they just got in early and they got some momentum early. And that momentum will perpetuate itself in ridiculous manners for thousands of years it'll just go on because they got it early they convince people yeah and those people tell their kids they go on those people tell their kids and at a certain point after you've blown you know 500 tribesmen you know when you're an old man you're like where's my blowjob you know it's gonna happen you're gonna impose that on

the other so it's this bad kind of karmic momentum that gets developed. Listen to how crazy this is. It's not just one tribe, okay? This is 10% to 20% of all tribes in Melanesia, an Oceania region stretching 3,000 miles from Iranian Jera to Fiji, have mandatory. from Iranian Jaira to Fiji, have mandatory, this is fucking 10 to 20 percent, have mandatory boy inseminating practices.

Boys are separated from their mothers when they're 7 to 14 years old and installed in bachelor houses, in quotes. And the Marind Anim of southwest New Guinea, who were ruthless headhunters also. These guys are fucking headhunters. They're savages. They're crazy, and they're fucking boys. They give the boys to maternal uncles

who top them in anal intercourse for six years. So they bang them in the ass for six years. The nearby Jaquai tribe refers to the adult penetrator as the moe, anus father, is what it means. And the receiving child as the momag, anus son. Jesus fucking Christ. What website is this on?

Playgirl.com or what? This is a letter to the editor or something. Oh, this is a study on these people in New Guinea. This is crazy. It was by an anthropologist, Gilbert Hurt, the editor of Ritualized Homosexuality in Melanesia. Do you know Afghanistan, they have a day of gayness where you're allowed to have gay sex? I think it's like every Thursday.

It's called every day. There's a lot of gayness going on in the cave. But it's accepted. Yeah, well, there's a lot of... The cave stays in the cave? Well, there's a lot of that weird in the cave well there's a lot of that um you know that weird thing that goes on in some of those ancient tribes where you know you only go to the women for for intercourse for for you know for making babies that was a boy for pleasure ancient

greek yeah well they did there's a lot of cultures went down that road it's really interesting when you stop and think about how many cultures went gay it's like what was it a lack of understanding was it i mean what what is it that led everybody to go it was it is more natural is it are we we more restricted now in our behaviors because we have too much access to information they're just more advanced than us is that what it is yeah how are they how are they tricking everybody into bonin i mean it's gay people must be so mad that like back then god damn everybody was i mean i think they've shown that there's a biological advantage for the species for a certain portion of people to be gay it's kind of like some kind of for decorating no i think it's just for just for flair i don't know exactly what it is but i don't think for a

whole entire culture to turn that way i don't think there's been really a good amount of understanding on that as far as because i've studied ancient greece quite you know quite a lot and rome was funny too rome if you took it in the ass you were you were what's called a faggot there was a slur that was called like a faggot basically right the apprentice that was a slur if you took it but if you gave it whatever that's how it is no big deal yeah i mean that's kind of i guess what's what it's like in prison as well now to a certain is it to a certain code i i think that's what i you know that's what i that's what I've heard for some inmates. You give it, whatever, but if you take it, oh, you're fucked.

That's not good. But yeah, I don't know. What if you're a prisoner in New Guinea? You're straight. You're trying to get big and strong. Come on, who wants to fuck me? You're straight as fuck. Come on, man, who wants to fuck me?

I'm trying to get big and strong. I will take in so much semen. I will break down these walls. They cannot stop me. Imagine if that really worked. If you shoot loads in a guy's ass and he becomes a Hulk. Can you imagine if like just a certain amount, like you just keep pumping loads in there. It's not like you can't back off. It's not like, you know, oh, I tried to do transcendental meditation, but it got boring after the first hour.

No, you got to really get into it For months and months And months Before you really Achieve any sort of success But what if one guy Is just taking loads In the ass All day Like a factory line And there's a scientific

Study that has been shown That if your body Ingests a certain Amount of semen It realizes that It's continually Getting raped So it grows

Ridiculously strong To fight off the attacker As long as your body Is alive It's like your body Produces super steroids And this is like A new study that they find.

So one guy just fucking volunteers to take one for the team as a scientific adventure. And they shackle him into a fucking thing. And it's just like in Captain America where he blows up. Whoa! He gets all huge.

This guy is just taking dick in the ass all day. And after the first month, he's just tired and he wants to quit. And they're like, hang in there. But I think we think We think on our recent Nick Nolte would be talking to him. The recent tests have shown success. We need a couple more days out of you, kid.

Can you do it for America? I think there would be people who would fund that study, I'm sure. Palin's husband maybe forming it. You love gay humor, man. It's so funny. Everything is gay.

Only accidentally gay. Or if you get tricked into doing gay. It's so funny, though. I love when gay people trick people into sex. Have you ever been propositioned by a guy? Not seriously. Like never where I was like, ah, right. It was more jokingly.

I got proposition proposition by a gay comic it was we thought he was being cute it was really uncomfortable who and he wouldn't i wouldn't say his name say his name he's a loser is it right i don't even know his name anymore i really wouldn't know his name but he was uh really like aggressive with it i was like come on dude you know i'm not gay stop it stop and then i had to go dude get the fuck out of here you creepy cunt like this is like this is like what a woman feels like when some guy wants to fuck her. I'm like, ew, how gross. And I was like, how dare you think he could fuck me even if I did go gay?

Silly bitch. Yeah, that's funny. You wouldn't have your own standards. Yeah, I mean, if I'm going to give up my ass for the first time, it's going to be like Elton John. You know what I'm saying? George Michaels or something, man. I want to go with someone

famous and gay with a lot of power that talked me into it. Some shit comedian that can't even open for me. I wouldn't even take you with me on the road. You're going to fuck me? How dare you? Right, Brian? Yeah, that was the main aphrodisiac in ancient Greece.

It was not necessarily physical appearance, but like Socrates, for example, ugly motherfucker, but he fucked everybody. Yeah, Socrates had a lot of gay sex, right? Didn't he have a lot of gay sex? Oh, tons. Everybody wanted to fuck Socrates because he was so brilliant. It would be funny if... That's what got him going.

If that was on, it was the government mandate that that would be included on every Socrates quote that you put on Twitter. By the way, he had tons of gay sex. So Socrates is super wise with the soul and the spirit and the transcendent journey. And then underneath it, Socrates. By the way, he had tons of gay sex. Tons of gay sex. They call me Pink Socrates.

Tons of gay butt sex. Yeah, all of those people. Even the most incredible warrior leaders like alexander the great you know conquered the known world at 25 also had a lot of times about sex right he was a great leader by the way i've been reading some of pressfield's uh works on and you know talking about him some of his research some of his stories on leadership are pretty pretty epic like for example at some point they were deep and into india and the troops were fucking tired and pissed off they're getting mosquito bit and they're in swamps and they're fighting elephants and it's terrifying and it sucks and they are about to

mutiny and so alexander who always led from the front on his horse bucephalus with his you know big red plume on his helmet you know and had been been at the forefront of every one of these scuffles, just starts taking off all his armor and strips, like, completely down to nothing. And he shows all the scars on his body and he says, who amongst you has more scars than me? That man comes forward and I'll take you home. And everybody looks at each other and they realize nobody had, and they started cheering. They're like, we're going to follow you to the end of the world. What if that never happened, though? Someone else just wrote it later. That was the real problem with history, man.

Someone would write something that someone said really cool. Meanwhile, they were like a little fruit. But he had to fucking done some crazy shit to push his troops that far. Unquestionably.

But when you attribute quotes to someone from that far back, good luck with that. Yeah, good luck with that. We know how that goes. I've heard stories about me that weren't true. You ever talk to someone from high school and they go, remember that we know how that goes I've heard stories about me that weren't true you ever talk to someone from high school

and they go remember that time you did that you broke into the firehouse and you set everything on fire like what are you talking about I didn't do anything like that I didn't do anything like that you don't remember that person would probably have been telling the story about you how you set a fucking house on fire or something

and make up fill in the blank with whatever the fuck craziness you did there's all kinds of weird stuff with histories being reported in ancient china some of the histories get really fucked up because you couldn't tell the emperor when he was doing something wrong you'd die you'd get killed so what they used to do is they used to tell histories of weird things happening in nature like when this day we saw the geese flying backwards and that's what they would say to the emperor because he was the center of the universe so when he was fucking up the universe would start fucking up so that was their way of telling the emperor that he was doing something wrong as it was like this day a horse gave birth to a pig and they and the emperor would be like hmm i must be doing something wrong really

if horses are giving birth to pigs so you have these that's how they influence the emperor that's how they influence the emperor what if they got like two copies did they ever get too cocky the fat stupid pig led the empire in the wrong direction who is this bitch kill that motherfucker for being so obvious your hack was the game that was the game you had to come on man abide by that so definitely say dragnet going to have to work on your storylines. Mm-hmm. Wow. That's craziness, man.

Mm-hmm. So then I guess to finish off this trip here. How do you remember all this? It was incredibly lucid. Did you take video notes or audio notes or anything? I wrote it down after I was done. But here's the deal that's really something. Like you do ayahuasca, right? You start it at night. You take it maybe eight o'clock. It's usually around dusk. It seems to be kind of

consistent. You never take it right in the noon. It's very rare that you'll do a day ceremony. So you do it at night. And so you go through and you finish around three o'clock because ayahuasca gets out of your system by about eight hours. And it's this very dreamlike magical experience. And then you go to sleep and have a very dreamlike magical experience and then you go to sleep and have a very dreamlike dream experience so you wake up already and you're like weird that was weird you know but iboga you're up for so fucking long are you eating at all you can hardly eat it's like being under an intense stimulus so you're like barely like sipping like a tiny bit of water to keep your mouth you know keep your mouth, you know, keep your mouth. That sounds horrible. Sounds like you could almost die.

Has anybody ever died of dehydration or anything? He's been a 10th generation shaman, and no one's died in his whole thing. Sweat a lot? It's not too bad. Not too bad. It's kind of the, it's a good time of year, though, I guess, to be out there in Costa Rica.

Does he have summertime ones? Sure he does. When you go all crazy apocalyptic now? Sure he does. Martin Sheen in the hotel room? Sure he does hotel room remember that shit here's your wet sponge to wipe your head with but it's uh i mean the recall from it is is i guess if you go too deep you can't recall anything like graham hancock and his report

he has a lot of the same start but then at a certain point he blacked out because you just went to like the vibrations and whatever happened got too intense where you didn't remember it well whatever my dose was allowed me to maintain a pretty lucid consciousness and then the fact that i didn't go to sleep for like 30 hours after i took it i got to really think about it and let it set in and there was no confusion with having to go to sleep so that's why i was able to recall all of these things and you know kind of great detail. Also, they encourage you to bring a voice recorder, which I mumbled some random things, but I ended up remembering pretty much what I mumbled anyways into that voice recorder.

Did you have a voice-activated one, or it just picked it up? No. So you don't have to... That would have been cool. That was some technology that I would highly recommend. I didn't even know that existed. Oh, that's old school. You can do that?

They've had those forever. That's sweet. If anybody decides to go do this, I would highly recommend. I didn't even know that existed. Oh, that's old school. They've had those forever. That's sweet. If anybody decides to go do this, I would recommend that because it does get tough to remember stuff. And you can't write. I mean, trying to look at a page or a screen with your eyes, just forget about it.

Your eyes are fucking blown out. Were you making any sounds at all? Were you just laying there? Or were you moaning? No, I wasn't. I make a habit of not trying to moan. Yeah, that's the important experience. the beginning of love to love you baby well it sounds like you can talk so you can talk to you the shaman encourages you to to talk openly

if you want and there are some times where i'd go to ask them questions but the moment you form a question you get the answer so it was. It became like a funny thing. Like I would ask them like, how long, you know, blah, blah, blah, until I'm able to do it. And I would get the answer and be like, oh, that'll be about five or six hours. And I would just kind of laugh because I was getting my questions answered by the Iboga before I could even ask the challenge. I did.

You asked about aliens. I asked about aliens. And this gets really kind of, this gets really weird here when we're asking about aliens. I'm so excited. So I asked about aliens. I asked about aliens. And this gets really weird here when we're asking about aliens. I'm so excited. So I asked about aliens. I was like, what's going on with aliens? And basically what they had told me is that aliens have had a direct interest in the fostering and development of life on Earth

and bringing us to a point of sentience. And they've had an active role in that but the reason that they've been doing that is not so much to affect our physical bodies or affect our minds but this is where it gets weird and i'm going to couch this saying this is just a theory i don't know if i'm like i'm not going to stand by psychedelic you're tripping balls right and you get this idea and you run with it yeah exactly so so what what they're doing is they're they're tweaking our dna to allow a different type of soul the more advanced soul to allow to enter the human body and be able to direct our decisions so basically they're saying like there's different types of souls that can access certain dna so like a chimp dna like a

chimp like a human soul once it's human, you can never go back to chimp because just what the chimp is able to do, what he's able to think about, the soul just wouldn't fit in that DNA life form, right? But there's other souls more advanced than humans, right? So they've been modifying slightly the DNA of humans to allow these more advanced souls to be able to enter these human bodies.

And that was like, I was not expecting that at all and that's what it was just like boom just straight up told me and i was like really it's like really bitch like this is what's going on they're allowing you know that different access to a whole new level of souls to help take us to the point where we can not blow ourselves up and create fully sentient beings. Did they express that this would be an evolutionary thing or a progressive thing, or would it just be they would come down in metal spaceships? They've been doing it, is what the message was.

Do you feel you have an advanced soul? Yes or no? I do feel like I have some, you know, some advantages that are, that I feel very blessed to have. You know, I feel like I can handle the psychedelic experience very well. And I think that's certainly, you know, I don't give myself credit for that. Like, I kicked ass and that's why I got, I think I was something that was innate and I was blessed to have.

So. You think you're blessed to be good at taking psychedelics? I think the way that, I think the way that i can get information from it i feel like you know if i have one you know one innate talent you know in in this arena you know that would be it i don't think i'm any genius or i'm any you know magical person i think you're just a thoughtful guy i think a thoughtful person who has an intense experience is going to be able to withdraw something from it. Why would you have that? And also, you've got your mind and your eyes on progress. You were trying to improve as a human being.

One of the most important things for everybody, when people get old and they fall apart, one of the reasons why they really fall apart is because they don't have anything they're trying to do anymore. They don't have anything they're trying to accomplish anymore. They don't have a passion anymore. That's true. There's things that stimulate you. You know, whatever it is. When you're a craftsman or a...

You know, I went to visit this guy that makes pool cues. When I was in Chicago, this guy, Joe Gold. And he's, like, he makes this pool cue that's very famous. It's called the Cognoscenti.

And it's one of the, like, most sought-after cues in the world. Because he was, like, a really high-level player when he was younger, too. And this dude's, you know know he's in his 60s he smokes like fucking three packs of cigarettes a day you know he's not eating healthy yeah and he's and he'll tell you like you talk to him about uh cancer and he's like you need to get it you don't get it i'm not gonna get it you know like some people can just smoke cigarettes they don't get it that's heavy chicago accent but this

dude like you talk to him about his cues and and you see the passion in what he does, the pride that he has for what he's created. There's very few people that are known in the world to make great instruments in any sort of, whether it's musical instruments or a game tool like a pool cue or something like that. And when there's a guy who's a real master craftsman but the one thing that you find inevitably always in all these guys is this passion for what they do totally you know this this this desire to create something that they

really feel proud of you know the the creative force inside of us is the most the the thing that gives you the most happiness the things that that give you the biggest feeling of reward. It doesn't seem like it's creative because it's kind of just this free-full fuck-fest, this podcast that we do, but this is the most rewarding thing that either me or Brian, I think, has ever done. Have you done anything that's more rewarding than this? No, except pussy.

Except pussy. I don't think it works that way. Is that rewarding? Yeah. I get it as rewards. Well, that it's like i get it that's better i agree that's better but you know and what is it it's because you're putting out a lot of creativity you're putting on a lot of stuff like the people are getting something out of it and the more you put out the more people get out of it and then it becomes like this super rewarding

like happy good feeling thing that just keeps you yeah well you're creating a positive feedback loop exactly which is really cool and And even someone creating cues. You create a masterful piece. Every time someone strikes the ball with that cue, you're creating this positive feedback loop. But some people don't have anything they like doing. That's just really what's fucked up. Is it true that we need a queen and we also need workers?

Do we have worker bee humans that are just out there just fucking barely barely able to figure out how to like walk to the car hit the button no i really i think there i think there are certain people who have you know different gifts than other people maybe different proclivities different talents you know i don't think the talent level is the same but i think even if it's the most menial task you can do that task with your eye on with your eye on something else a trash man can be a trash man with the idea that you know this must happen for society to function and be good and this has to happen or we'll have like

france was during the riots and fucking garbage everywhere right like i am doing my part in that but meanwhile their eye is on a different prize. Maybe they want to master whatever else it is. There's very little crafts and things. Everything's kind of mass produced. So that's tough too. Because some of these people, some of these trash men might have been great fucking blacksmiths or something like that. But those skills, it's very hard to make something or do something.

So they put themselves into Budweiser and football or whatever. And they're super kind of not happy. So it's a challenging time, no doubt. Yeah, we need you to make it horseshoe stupid. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's not those kind of skills. And that would be super rewarding to make like a sword or a horseshoe. Fuck yeah, even to this day.

If you're hammering something, there's fire. I watched this special on one of the history channels or something like that. It was a thing with Mark Dacascos. You remember that guy? He was a martial arts guy. He did a bunch of movies, like a Capoeira movie, a bunch of crazy movies. He went to Japan and went to, it was a lot of it was on Musashi,

and a lot of it was also on the construction of the samurai swords. And they went to this dude who still makes samurai swords the old way, and they were hammering the steel and folding it. Oh, it's fucking badass man it makes you want to see a samurai movie yeah like come on bitch bring it yeah you know they're hammering your chain chain i mean and then they show the blade after this guy's done with you know countless hours of perfecting this and slicing it into water when it's red hot and then hammering on i mean it's fucking an amazing craft you know the

creation of samurai swords and then afterwards look at the blade you see the etchings and the line looks like wood grain on it yeah it's been folded so many times the idea what people don't understand is they they flatten out a piece of steel and then they fold it over they heat it up and they slam it together somehow with a hammer and then they keep doing that over and over and over and over and over and it makes this insanely strong steel just insanely strong and then after this guy does that he steps outside and chops this uh this bamboo stalk in half it's so fucking badass yeah it's just so badass okami tatami people it's so nice that people still know how that guy does that it's so important because that's got to go away, right? I mean,

we're lucky that we have a window into the Japanese samurai sword making. Totally. Because that could easily, a hundred years from now, that could be like dust in the wind. Nobody knows how to do it anymore. You can't watch it anymore. There's no video. We lost it all. It was all on DVDs and now everything's in the clouds and so there's no more samurai shit. Yeah. We could forget that critical part of history where people had figured out this and now everything's in the clouds and so there's no more samurai shit yeah no it's we could we

could forget that that critical part of history where people have figured out this insane you know way to construct a sword yeah those swords i've actually been looking at some of those some of them go for they're called nihonto the blades that are authentic made by japanese craftsmen signed on the bottom yeah underneath and they'll go for like a hundred grand a hundred a hundred grand you look up nihonto blades and like that there's some actually there's some pretty good u.s sword makers apparently doing stuff one guy named howard clark making some pretty cool swords really there's actually polishers too so if you're gonna buy a sword that's custom made you spend like five thousand

for the blade and then you can spend like 3 500 on some dude just polishing it giving it that you know that uh i forget what it's called, but on the blade, that kind of mirror frosting that looks like how it is. And you'll spend 3,500 just getting it properly, the Hamon, they call it H-A-M-O-N. You get 3,500 getting it polished, and then you get it mounted. You put the suba on, you wrap it up, you do all the things. So your handmade sword, you're still in it for about 10 grand these days. How many years was it where people just fought with swords how many years was that before they figured out

like arrows and then arrows were pretty early were they before they figured out the swords had to have come before arrows no you think clubs with spikes and shit yes but swords and spears spears beers were around pretty early but But arrows were around pretty fucking early. Can you imagine how bad it was? Because they had slings. So they had that concept of that sling. The sling spear was one of the first ones where you put the spear in the little notch. Yeah, it's like a wooden handle thing.

Yeah, and the momentum kind of hucks it. And then figuring out the arrows from there. That's amazing that they figured that out, actually. Yeah, the cavemen fucking figured that out. That was pretty cool. Then the Mongols were the ones who really advanced the bow because the english bow the long bow that was nowhere near the range of the mongol recurve bow really mongols were the ones that invented the recurve bow and that gave them some insane range smaller bow and the way that it's bent back double allowed them to have way out shoot the other archers which is one

of the you know technological advancements that allowed them to conquer way out shoot the other archers which is one of the you know technological advancements that allowed them to conquer so little would they know that they would come up with some ted nugent type shit in the future yeah i have a compound bow and a rubber pig and i shoot that fucker in my backyard sometimes god damn those arrows go fast they do that's a i got a 60 pound pole one because i'm fucking manly as shit, bro. Check that shit out right there. But the arrows fly off that bow, man. It's scary. They're like some serious projectiles. Remember Bo and Luke Duke?

They had to use bows and arrows because they were felons and they weren't allowed to have guns. Remember that? In the Dukes of Hazzard? Is that real? Yep. That's why they had bows.

That's how I first found out about compound bows, watching the Dukes of Hazzard. Do you have one of the new ones that's really small? S that's how I first found out about compound bows watching the Dukes of Hazzard do you have one of the do you have one of the new ones that's like really small there are some that were long that look like regular bows

but now they've like compressed them yeah it's not very big it's about this big yeah I mean it's not like that's one of the new ones like an English bow or anything

yeah it's crazy the newer ones are smaller those Amazon bows they're like fucking nine feet long yeah or the old Japanese bows

it's like a giant piece of bamboo yeah do you ever seen that photo of uh there's uh people flying over in a plane there's a tribe and they got their arrows pointed uh at the uh cameras no i've never seen it you've seen that picture apparently it's fake it was super bummer because it was like an unlead yeah it was a uh you know a tribe undiscovered tribe found they're they're like, all right, there's going to be something flying. And point your arrows. Meanwhile, they just dressed all these assholes up and put fucking red paint on them and shit. And they made them look really crazy. They covered their whole body in red paint.

And one of them was all blue. It was pretty nutty. What you were talking about earlier about the vision that you had about stars exploding and shit like that, I asked Brian to pull this video up by Neil Tyson. Because it's one of the most badass and inspirational things it's uh neil degrassi tyson if you've never heard of him he's this really fucking cool guy who is not just uh an astrophysicist what what is his exact credentials whatever it is he's a super genius fucking astrophysicist astrophysicist but what he's

really he also is he has a great personality and the way he explains things he's like a really really likable guy and the way he explains things is so smooth and so brilliant that you know it really like makes you absorb these these ideas and these images because you like him so much because he seems like such a likable guy. And he had this one that somebody tweeted it to me. And it's something that I knew, but it's something that

when you hear it again, especially hearing it from him, makes it sound so crazy. When you think about how a human is constructed and what we're made of. You can share with us about the universe. The most astounding fact. the most astounding fact the most astounding fact is the knowledge

that the atoms that comprise life on earth the atoms that make up the human body are traceable to the crucibles that cooked light elements into heavy elements in their core under extreme temperatures and pressures. These stars, the high-mass ones among them, went unstable in their later years. They collapsed and then exploded, scattering their enriched guts across the galaxy. Guts made of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself. These ingredients become part of gas clouds that condense, collapse, form the next generation of solar systems, stars with orbiting planets.

And those planets now have the ingredients for life itself. So that when I look up at the night sky, and I know that, yes, we are part of this universe, we are in this universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts is that the universe is in us. When I reflect on that fact, I look up, many people feel small because they're small and the universe is big, but I feel big because my atoms came because my atoms came from those stars.

There's a level of connectivity. That's really what you want in life. You want to feel connected. You want to feel relevant. You want to feel like you're a participant in the goings-on of activities and events around you. That's precisely what we are just by being alive. God damn, that dude's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he is.

That's amazing that that came off a question, too. That was beautiful. It was so beautiful. He does that left and right all day. That's what he does. Go on the internet. Neil deGrasse Tyson all day. He's got all these amazing videos

of him breaking down things in such an entertaining way. I mean, and he's such a nice guy he was even on bill marshall and he was in debating with some guy from gm was trying to say that climate change is not man-made and and he was like really being polite about when the guy was like talking about the science behind he was like that's not true like well he was really being very nice and how he shut the guy down like a master fighter when he spars with an amateur he doesn't try and beat him up. This guy's a fucking gigantic corporate monster.

A guy who's in charge of a huge company that probably does a fuckload of polluting the environment and doesn't want anything to change as far as regulation is concerned. So he's spouting out a bunch of bullshit at a genius. But the idea that we are actually made out of stardust that's such a fuck such a complete mind fuck it is it's such a what wrap your head around that fuck yeah you accidentally you accidentally said the you know an interesting

term that directed panspermia yeah it was also a theory of uh of francis crick basically what he was saying is that the dn that the life forms are so complex that a lot of the bio a theory of Francis Crick. Basically what he was saying is that the life forms are so complex. A lot of science right now talks about this prebiotic soup of all of these molecules kind of just rummaging around all crazy, bumping into each other, eventually creating proteins. Well, some of these proteins are like 200 atoms long. And the probability of even one of these proteins, and life is comprised of many proteins, remember, to create one of these specific proteins necessary

for life, the odds of that happening at random are one over the number one with 260 zeros after it one over one with 260 zeros that's the just the pure probability of those atoms bumping together for primordial suit we can't even fathom a number like that i mean it goes across the room so that's the probabilities of life of of just one protein and then you got to figure these proteins have to come together and create you know and bump into each other and then form these complex proteins where they're working together to create life so that's why you know francis crick wasn't esoteric didn't really believe in god but he couldn't wrap his head around the statistical improbability that it happened like that that's why he came up with the theory of directed panspermia either Either his theory was that actual beings.

His theory was that beings seeded the planet. Francis Crick? That's what he believed. Really? He believed that beings seeded it. Now, another panspermia theory. Where did you read this? This was in Graham Hancock's.

It's pretty well referenced, too. I went and checked some of the references that he had. But another theory was that the comets and this is non-directed panspermia the comets delivered this bacteria but it's a really interesting thought i mean they were saying basically the chances of this happening was like a hurricane assembling a 737 in a junkyard that was the chances of life for life on earth life on earth a hurricane assembling a 737 in a junkyard. Just a junkyard and then boom the wind goes

oh shit there's a plane. Holy fuck. What's really amazing is that we had a complete reboot 65 million years ago. The most amazing thing about Earth today is that 65 million years ago none of this shit was around. 65 million years ago we got hit by a giant rock that killed off

all the dinosaurs and left a huge fucking crater in the Yucatan. And from that, everything has got to this point. Just 65 million years. Imagine if the Earth was only 65 million years old. I mean, it's really an incredible amount of time. Don't get me wrong. But it has nothing on 4.6 billion, which the Earth really is or whatever it is. So if you wanted to seed a planet and have it actually work, let's just go along with Crick's theory

that it was some directed panspermia. You just find the toughest little bastard of life form, which is bacteria, and then just let natural selection work. You just splash that on there, and then from there you realize that the forces at work of natural selection are going to create myriad life forms

that are going to be optimal for living in whatever climate develops and so i think that was his theory that it just had to have come from somewhere else but then you run into the fucking problem of you know the chicken and the egg some point at some point some primordial soup had to form the first life so it doesn't really get you around the problem to begin with he's just saying that on earth there wasn't enough time there wasn't enough time for this to have been the first one. Can you imagine if that's what the asteroid 65 million years ago was? Like a correction? Like, look, nothing is ever going to get done.

We have giant fucking lizards. We're going the wrong way. Somehow or another, you have giant predatory lizards with softball-sized brains. And they're getting bigger and bigger. And they're dominating the whole universe. And bigger. Yeah, they eat everything.

You can't even grow past a mole. you're like a little mole running around the dirt hiding from giant feet what a shit bag life it must have been back then when the dinosaurs were fucking roaming everywhere can you imagine yeah everywhere you look dinosaurs t-rex t-rex wandering around your neighborhood so it's either by chance or by some you know intelligence that's what it is they just control they just control z that bitch yeah nope let's try it again undo it again do and went back a few steps let's do a rewipe of the hard drive yeah kill off everything everything bigger than a chicken's gotta go what do you think was

like the biggest thing that a lot of apparently, and some crocodiles and stuff like that, right? The ocean stuff. The ocean stuff was pretty close. Yeah, ocean stuff. Some of the big sharks. Yeah, but there's coelacanths and shit like that. It's from much longer ago. They were super old. Yeah, they still have appendages, like the transitionary fossil between walking and swimming

that the Christians are always screaming for. Where is your transitionary fossils? You tell me? You tell me that the Lord created me out of a monkey? I see monkeys still. They're still around. That is a true thing, man. Imagine monkeys.

Like, how the fuck do these assholes figure it out? Like, monkeys were monkeys just, you know, a million years ago, two million years ago. They were the same. Not us. We figured some shit out and rocketed past all those bitches. Or alien intervention. Or we got help francis crick says yeah or we got helped it's uh it's an interesting theory you know it's tough i mean maybe shit maybe stuff will get bad enough in our in our lifetime that we'll find definitively you know that the fucking the awes behind the curtain is just gonna have to say all

right bitches i'm here for reals you guys are blowing it but i think that's it doesn't seem like that's there it seems like if they are there they're trying to avoid that at all fucking cost but i don't know i think maybe if shit got fucking total armageddon enough you know maybe it'd be like all right you guys are gonna kill each other we've you know be waiting for this for four and a half billion years so here's the plan you know i wonder if it'd be that clear. I think that that's probably what psychedelics are. They're just tools, tools to try to get through this. Absolutely.

I mean, all of them seem to be about self-reflection. All of them seem to offer, besides good times and besides using them as a recreation, and a lot of people say, man, you shouldn't use psychedelics as a recreation. They're very intense and powerful medicine. To which I reply, yeah, but they're fun in recreation, so yes, you should. Fuck you. You're so serious. Like, people get so serious.

Psychedelic drugs, man, are not to be taken for recreation. They're important learning tools. Or they're great to take a little bit and giggle. Guess what? That's good, too. You can't tell me it's bad. You can't tell me it's bad if I ate a little bit of mushrooms and laughed my ass off.

That's not bad. You know, you can't tell me I'm abusing it. The tell me it's bad if I ate a little bit of mushrooms and laughed my ass off. That's not bad. You know, you can't tell me I'm abusing it. The fuck I'm abusing it. I'm so happy. I'm so happy I got some mushrooms and it made me laugh. Made a movie better. Made a conversation better. It's important to demystify them to a certain degree.

I mean, there are certain settings where you should take them seriously. Like, don't fucking take a boga willy-nilly with your buddies. Like, that's a nightmare. You're just, you're setting yourself up for a bad situation. But at the same time, you know, it's not magic. You know, there are plants that are here designed, I believe, as tools. Like you said, they're part of what should be in everybody's tool bag. Well, there's a system, man.

It's obvious. I mean, there's a reason why bees pollinate flowers. You know, there's a reason why this whole thing goes down. They make honey, create hives, and it's all, that's what they do. It's what they've always done. There's clearly some sort of a system in place. And I think that all these plants are a part of this system, and they're all aiding us. All these psychedelic experiences are there to show us different experiences, different perspectives, and aid us along the way.

They're self-improvement devices. And I think the, you know, kind of the making them forbidden, both by the church and by the state, because the church has done a hell of a lot of damage to making, and they're behind a lot of these, you know, kind of destruction. Well, that's the last thing they want is people high making up their own religions. Right, exactly. Having direct access without having to go through them, it takes away their power base. So that, I think, is the main factor that's really retarded our growth as as humanity and what's put us in this situation where you know we're pretty out of touch in general now that not everybody certainly there's a whole wave of consciousness that we're seeing develop but

having that absent for so many years these puritans and pilgrims and all of this you know religious bullshit and islam and everything if they were able to really get back to the truth, they've eliminated the access to self-correction. They've been like, all right, we've got this bullshit path, and what's going to stop us? What's going to stop this juggernaut? Well, truth and self-correction. Well, how do people find that?

Well, the psychedelics. Boom. Done. Make them illegal. You know that the Supreme Court upheld the church's use of ayahuasca in New Mexico? You know about that whole situation, right? Yeah. 2006, they're still doing it. Apparently, there's a church that you can go to. It's O Centro Espírita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal.

We're your family. Uniao do Vegetal. The vegetal is like the idea is the vegetable. They're drinking ayahuasca. And it's a part of their church. They're allowed to drink it by the fucking Supreme Court. They treat it as a true religious sacrament because they're a Christian church,

even though it's a Schedule I substance. So they're allowed to do it. We just got to get that church to really fucking kick ass and expand their roots. That's it. And maybe that's the way. That might be the way yet. I mean, they already got their fucking green light.

It's a small congregation right now in New Mexico. I'm sure they'd be interested in branching out, forming some affiliates. Yeah. Maybe that's what we should hop on. On it, Iboga Labs, and Vegetal, and DMT Labs. Yeah, on it, Ayahuasca Spiritual Centers. Could you imagine?

Jesus Christ. Imagine if that actually became a real thing, and that's something we got into. Whoa. That's a way to really have an impact on society. It's really too bad you can't do that, or even think about doing it. One of my questions was, all right, what should society do to self-correct? And I got two answers. And one of the answers was, you know, you're doing one of them now.

You know, this is one of the tools to show you truth. This is going to take people back. It's going to eliminate their addictions, all the things that are fucked up about themselves. You know, self-correct them. And then by self-correcting themselves, it's going to self-correct society as a whole. This is a great way back. But then the other thing it said, which was pretty funny and more humorous than anything, And then by self-correcting themselves, it's going to self-correct society as a whole. This is a great way back. But then the other thing it said, which was pretty funny and more humorous than anything,

but it just said, it showed me a picture of Congress and everybody just being completely naked, like no clothes, no nothing. And it was like, people are hiding so much, even behind the very clothes that we're wearing. That's just allowing them to be this different person you know this transparency that would be around if we lived you know kind of tribally it's almost like the symbolism of wearing these suits and allows you know newt dingrich to be all suited up and right he would be a person you would never fucking listen to yeah if you saw his body saw his body naked and he's just being all gnarly and nasty and his normal nude self naked people be like come on man but you know it just allows this kind of

falsehood to like covering up his disgusting body but does that does that preclude someone from having a great and brilliant idea if they have a disgusting no i don't think so what if michael moore was i think you would i think you would transcend legitimate protests right would you transcend it i think people would be like, that's a brilliant fucking... Because everybody would see everybody naked, so you'd get used to the whole gamut. It'd be like going to one of those nude beaches, which is mostly the worst physically attractive sights you see. Terrible idea.

But at a certain point, you just look past it and like, oh, these people are cool or whatever. Until people start getting creepy with you. Right. Yeah. That could happen too at those places. Yeah. I think Congress should totally be naked.

That's exactly what they should do. They should make those fucks come out there naked. Just say, listen, look, it totally makes sense. You know, I want to see you. Imagine if you take their clothes off as Nazi swastikas and shit. And like there's a tattoo, dick goes here, straight at their ass. You know, can you imagine you finding all kinds of nutty shit about these people that are in congress but the idea of them being completely naked is a great idea because they would they would feel vulnerable they would they would be less likely to uh to feel strong

and empowered and and willing to do crazy shit and on behalf of their uh special interest groups that have got them into office yeah you know and more likely to face the wrath of america yeah looking at your saggy tits passing crazy bills your man tits and all of this crazy there's so much that comes from these frustrations that people have maybe they're not confident sexually

and they get rejected by women and they get all twerked up what do they do? they seek power ruthlessly and find this kind of position where they can wield this power over people and demand their affections and we have no evidence of their enlightenment you know yeah so i mean that was that was a bit humorous but there was some truth to it and and certainly how you know people are just not fucking transparent you know

it's it's worth being led and all of these people you know to use my first analogy of what the abogus said they're being run purely as the mind boy part of themselves that juvenile brain centric part that's just fucking cranking shit out with no kind of real connection to the eternal and to all of us as you know beings. And the idea that somehow, just because things are written down on paper and that they've been lived this way for X amount of years, that that makes all this nonsense

and this ridiculous pageantry that goes on in our government, that that makes it normal, that it makes it real, it makes it okay. It's become a game. Sorry, I'm in the middle of coughing. Yeah.

And with any game, people find ways to circumvent the game. A game is exactly what it is, yeah. And then they end up... It's just playing a game. They've lost touch with what it was really meant to be, a democracy to help lead people

to an optimal life. The gentleman will yield the floor. The gentleman will yield the floor. What? The fuck are you... What kind of ridiculous rules are you calling out? Yeah. The gentleman will yield the floor. What? The fuck are you, what kind of ridiculous rules are you calling out? Yeah, and filibusters and things. I mean, people reading the phone book.

What is that nonsense? This is what we're preaching here on the Joe Rogan Experience. We're preaching an internet-based government. It's the only way to do it. No more representative government. No representative government. No congressmen or senators.

No. People that act solely on the will of the people that vote online you know the the really the the only way that i could see it happening is is we need more states rights like someone needs to go whack down the federal government's kind of authority federal government should be responsible only with national security they should have way more fucking checkpoints on it than that maybe some national federal crimes they're pursuing shit like that basically keep us safe keep these big major things from happening to everybody but other than that the states should decide shit and you know what would happen the states that made cool

laws laws that make sense would fucking get overrun with people and they'd be thriving and their gdp per state would be kicking ass and then other states was stuck in stupid idiots you know stuck in their old ways running with shit laws and putting in people in jail for doing things that are completely of their own prerogative you know those states would slowly start to depopulate you know people would be like fuck this state i'm not gonna out of here i'm going over to this state. This state's sweet. And that would be at least some level of correction. Some motivation to find a balance that shows actually what people want. Because a state could elect a cool leader.

I don't think it's possible for the federal government to elect a cool leader. I thought Obama was cool. I thought he was going to be fucking great, but he didn't turn out nearly as I had hoped in that regard. And I think because of that, I really feel like that system's fucking rigged. But a state governor, you could get a cool one in a state governor. They'd come together.

And if they really had autonomy to make those laws, that could make a fucking huge difference. Yeah, I agree. But the real problem is the federal government always wants to take power over the state government. And things especially like marijuana, that's where the big issue is. State-wise, it's legal in California for medical marijuana. marijuana but federally it's always illegal so when these people get

arrested they go to federal trial and they're not even allowed to use the phrase medical marijuana because it doesn't exist on a federal level there's no such term as medical marijuana even though there's you know thousands of doctors that espouse the use of marijuana for a variety of ailments it doesn't matter in the trial, this fucking cuntbag corrupt government, you're not even allowed to say it. Now, how could that possibly be a government that's looking out for the interests of the people? You would prevent someone from using terminology that would accurately explain their position on the subject

just to make it easier for you to win. And all they could do is say, are you selling drugs? You sold drugs. Thank you. He sold drugs thank you he sold drugs which you do we four years in jail whatever the fuck it is and that's what these people have to go through that's the kind of bullshit these people have to go through that is not a government that is a bunch of cunts that are running people into the ground and holding them down with their boots and anybody that has ever done that or or petition for that to be in position should be removed from society.

They should throw them in a fucking volcano. You're an asshole. Period. You want to lock people up because they're selling medical marijuana. And then when you put them on trial, they can't even say medical marijuana. Really? Really? What kind of piece of shit are you?

What kind of weird black socks wearing,aring, scotch-drinking cunt bag are you? You old cryptic fuckhead with your idea of the universe and logic and law. That make sense to you? Well, you're not a good representative. You're not a good person that should be in power. You're a cunt bag, period. That's the only type of people that would ever be in that situation are cunts. It's impossible to kind of even hope for this but if you i can only imagine taking some of these people and then let's say you assembled the best shamans

from the different traditions and was like you got to run the fucking gauntlet now and dude i got a show about the same same idea douchebags on mushrooms it's my show i'm trying to pitch it to fox i have a meeting there this thursday about another show nice that i'm it seems like a fun show but i mean i got a better idea, guys. What do you say? You guys want to get crazy? They're the people that came up with who wants to marry a millionaire, right? I would do it.

This is the next level shit. Douchebags on mushrooms. You could do it legally in Peru. It could be Ayahuasca. Costa Rica could be Iboga. Take these people. Mexico can be anything. How about that?

Mexico can be anything, yeah. Anything, son. Have them fucking take the challenge. Have these people who are so fixed in their beliefs take the challenge see what happens when you go 24 hours with truth looks and that's too that's too deep bro how about just smoke a joint how about just give them a little bit of dmt that's only 15 minutes how about that sure let's get baby steps before you leap them into some crazy abode camping experience yeah so did your your chick not enjoy as much as you enjoyed it she had a she had a very, her experience was way more challenging.

She was struggling with a lot of deeper issues. It was very visual. She had like a physical representation of a part of herself that was almost like a demon that she had to slay. You ever see that Bruce Lee movie, Dragon, where he has that demon that's kind of hovering over him and eventually he has to fight it like she lived that through vision and eventually that was a bruce lee movie no he wasn't in it it was about bruce lee it was with um oh yeah some

dude i don't know it's kind of cool that dude that dude did a good job yeah yeah so anyway so she had she like lived that experience saw this like part of herself that was just this kind of you know demonic kind of fiend part of herself and was just this kind of you know demonic kind of fiend part of herself and this is just kind of visual visualizations that allow you to manifest change and so she had to take that like fight it bring it out into the lawn kill it and bury it and then take a sword and like put it through so it was like this intense fucking what if she woke up and the counselor was dead she's got a fucking kitchen knife. She thought the counselor was a dragon. You're so incapacitated.

That's insane, man. You're fighting someone with a sword. Are you sure you know what you're doing? What was she doing during this time? Physically, yeah. Was she just twirling her hair? It feels like at a certain point, the only thing I could say, when you're nauseous and you're fucked up,

and it feels like there's a 500-pound pancake on your body, you almost feel completely immobilized. You can't get up wow you know so you really can't do anything at this point when you're in the kind of the heat of it it's just a buzz around your body and you're just pancake i distracted you i think i distracted you and you never finished what happened when you were trying to get a boner no i abandoned that i abandoned that quickly well i mean it was like everything was going through your mind while you tried to get a boner. That was where I really tried. That's where I really encountered fear was when I was going to the bathroom.

No, I mean, it was kind of silly. I mean, I just, at that point, your body is under such duress. The penis is like, I have no fucking business to do here. Let's take this blood and mobilize it somewhere else yeah isn't it amazing how the body is like the i've always said this it's weird that the penis is like so volatile like the erection the erection is so elusive i mean when you when you're in the right mood and everything's cool and you're with your woman and you're making out boom you get an erection but you can't get an erection while your plane is crashing. You know, people are like, what would you do

if the plane was crashing? I'd grab the person right next to me and start fucking. Woo! No, you wouldn't, man. There's no way you're going to get a boner while the plane is crashing. If you get a boner

while the plane is crashing, you might be the biggest freak on earth. Fuck Rick James. He wasn't a super freak. You're a super freak. You got a boner while you're riding the plane going down and you're shooting giant bucket loads everywhere i mean no the the boner is not like a

rhino horn that's on duty 24 7 the boner is a very elusive sort of a a chemical reaction that has to take place a lot of things have to be in line there's a lot of switches that have to be going off before a boner happens yeah this is iboga is not one of those switches it is the anti-switch that's why viagra is a fucking terrible idea you don't think nature knows when you should be breeding when your dick doesn't work anymore it's because you're on your way to dying stupid right okay there's a lot of shit going down you know it's it's you don't fix that by just shooting out whatever loads your your dusty machinery can create your loads are cracking out fucking week-old bagels.

Clunk, clunk, clunk. And you're shooting these dusty loads because you've gotten some sort of an erection because some guy came with some crazy chemical that gives you a boner when the wind blows. Like, what a ridiculous... I mean, our priorities are so funny. I mean, I know that they didn't plan on coming out

with Viagra for penis enlargement. It was for something else, right? Or for penis for for penis enlargement it was just something else right or for penis uh hardening i'm sure i think it was something else their eye on that forever that's the part they knew that was a huge market yeah but i think something else happened and i i might be wrong because i know there's a bunch of drugs that happens like like rogaine yeah rogaine was originally uh yeah or proscar was like a prostate uh enlargement drug, and they found it makes people grow hair back, and that's where they came out with Propecia.

There's like a bunch of different drugs that do things like that. I thought that was the case with that, but I'm not sure. Could be. Yeah, it's a funny situation. But that whole, I mean, the physical body on Iboga takes a fucking beating, and that's just one of those things. I would imagine just no water and no food for 24 hours. It's fucking terrible for you.

So we make it through. It was a pretty crazy night. I mean, unbeknownst to me, I was getting bitten by ants as this was going on, too. Oh, dude. Which was even worse. And then at a certain point, a skunk actually came by. And I was just in deep entrance. And I hear the shaman go, you smell that stinky bastard?

And I was like huh and then a fucking skunk had sprayed all over our feet he sprayed on you yeah he like walked by and he was like oh my god i mean it was an intense jerk what a skunk so then finally feeling like you trip on this bitch yeah exactly boom boom boom wow and then finally you know dawn comes we make it all the way through the night 10 hours smell like skunk did you clean it off i don't know i mean at that point your senses are so fucked up after it was after the intensity of it was gone it just kind of faded so you're still tripping balls i mean very difficult to get up it's dawn it's bright it's hard in the eyes you know i end up i end up walking through the old like smoldering fire pit i had my sandal unfortunately like i couldn't

even fucking see shit right so i had to like walk through the fire anybody watching you to make sure you don't fall off a fucking cliff you guys would be too late but they have handlers and things there but where was that asshole when you were walking through fire i don't know he tried to save me it was too late i was all right so then So then they loaded us up in the car and then drove us back and then set us up back in our room. And then that was the second 12 hours of the trip. And then kind of the physical symptoms started to go away. The nausea wasn't so bad.

We could take little sips of water. But that was probably the fucking coolest 12 hours I've ever had in my life. Because my brain was still like firing like it's never fired before, like really like lucid. And I could think clearly, maybe not quite as deeply as I could before, but still like brilliantly on things.

And it was like so light and so flexible. And it was just awesome. And so I was there with my fiance and we were talking about things and we'd get the same answer at the same time, almost on every issue that we came up with. And that would be funny because usually we don't get that deep in philosophy.

It's very rare. But this time we were just able to kind of expand on everything. And you would both ask the same question of the entity or to whatever the fuck the experience is and they would both give you the same answer? We'd be talking to ourselves at that point. It was almost like it removed the mechanism.

Like the cursor was gone. But it was just like riding on our shoulders. But when she would ask a question, you would ask a question, it would give you both the same answer? Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Like what?

Give me an example. Well, we were talking a lot about kind of her trip, and it would be like, why did I experience this? And so then we would both say, as soon as she would ask me that question, she would get the answer that I was going to say the same. I mean, it would just be identical answers. Like, what did that, what was the meaning of that? Was it an obvious answer or is it?

No, no, not necessarily. It's not something that maybe both of us at our very best couldn't have possibly thought of. But so it's nothing like magical or mystical about it, but it's like we were thinking at so on the fringe of what our very minds were capable of that we came to the same answer, maybe through incredible logical deduction. I'm not saying it's mystical at this point, but it was just so fucking sharp. So like Sherlock Holmes deduction capable that we would come at the

same answer at almost the same time. And then another phenomenon that I could do too is anytime I felt like I wanted to talk to somebody, like I, part of that kind of ancestor belief, it's called the ancestor medicine, because you can talk to people. So I'd been talking to people during this kind of experience in my head. And I could imagine them, like I could imagine them in places where i grew up like i imagined my father i was talking to my father at some point and i imagined him in one of my childhood houses and i was i could fucking look around in the house and see the art on the walls see the texture of the carpets shit that i had totally forgotten and i was like i am fucking there like holy shit this

is the coffee stain on that chess table that we used to play that had the other chess table on top of it it was over there and i could see the fucking mark on that and i was like i can i could walk through the entire house and i you know maybe i could have done that before i hadn't tried but did you try to walk over to an ex-girlfriend's house and get some boning in while you live in the past yeah Stop by and see if you guys are still dating. You never know, man. You might walk over. I was fucking horrified.

She's hot as fuck, 19, ready to go. I thought about that vagina that one time. I was terrified after that. Well, you were just pulling on your penis. This would be true love. This would be totally different. Young love reserved. But it was crazy.

And so you talk to these people, and they don't talk in some kind of unfamiliar way like i talked to most everybody and the unique thing is they were very like lively and they would joke with you the only unifying factors all of them were pretty happy like everybody was happy and it was like they were even if they were sorry about something they were still happy and they were it was really kind of cool to do and when i would finish talking with somebody like i remember i was talking with one of my really good friends and we were i would think about different people i wanted to talk to and so we finished and had like a cool conversation it was kind of funny kind of cool and i would go back to talk to him and instead of talking to me

because he would just flip me off and laugh you know and i would visualize this and eat and i'd be like no dude i was just going to chat and he's like ah and he flipped me off it was like we're done here the mouth was the message like you're not going to talk to me anymore because we already talked about what was important so go ahead and do something else silly so you're like playing a video game and you've gotten done with that room yeah it was like you're playing half-life you're trying to get the scientist to give you some answers yeah and you know you're still here what you you need to get out there and make this happen yeah exactly and i even i went to the shaman one because i was just you run out of thing i was running out of things to do so i'll talk to the shaman see if i can get him and i just saw him

and he's going go back inside and pointing it pointing my finger his finger at me like don't talk to me that's not what you're here for stupid it's like go back inside you were just as a ride yeah you were like on it's a small world totally it was like that you know and i could close i could pull the covers over and go there and just visualize anybody and by the end you know like hour 20 you know i'd go to talk to people like like fuck man why did it take you so long hour 20 really that's what our relationship is like i'm just kidding man i mean so it wasn't like this and he talked to me and he spoke like this it was like they were just themselves being funny and being cool and you know the dream world in a dream world it was

almost like a an advent calendar was some people i would put them in different houses or places advent calendar that's like those things at christmas you know you open the little doors and there's little chocolates in there different doors each door has a different prize in it yeah so it was like this cosmic advent calendar there's tons of doors and everybody was behind everybody i knew was behind one of the doors and i could just peek open the door and they would start you know joking with me off the bat and then be like then we would talk about usually one or two little small points that would that would make sense and be insightful and you know or be funny or express some gratitude for our relationship together but always kind of light-hearted and with a joke and then when i was done i was done god damn son

you were tripping hard hard hard and this and this goes and then all the way to the next all the way through that night and it was just how does it end how does it end eventually you fall asleep eventually you know so it was about probably two three in the morning you must have been so hungry second night you're not really you mean you could barely drink you know when you're so it was about probably two three in the morning you must be so hungry on the second night you're not really you mean you could barely drink you know when you're so sick that the thought of food is horrifying throw up almost yeah how long did it take you to recover well that was that was a problem so i wake up after like four or five hours and i really feel pretty shitty like you wake up from an ayahuasca experience you feel connected you feel refreshed

i woke up the next morning and i was like oh like i feel like i hadn't slept you know like i was really kind of edgy you know and like a few things happened and i had like a bad temper you know which i'm usually pretty even keel with that stuff and i was like my temper was bad i could tell that you know the rest of my body had taken kind of a beating yeah and that was And that's the real challenge with iboga is those next days after you finally go to sleep, your body's been through a serious ordeal. And you don't have that kind of, you know, you have this incredible knowledge. And for me, this access to things and this beautiful perspective, but you struggle with the physical aspect of kind of getting yourself back healthy and solid.

And there's a lot of things. And then so when that happens, then, you know, doubts and fears and other things start to creep in. But, you know, fortunately for me, I was able to, that link between, you know, knowing what was my mind, just that silly fucking mind boy creating these, you know, sabotages, I was still able to know it. So I just, at that at that point you know i just had to trust like hey my body's a little fucked up you know as soon as i get a little sleep things are going to be fine and sure enough you know the next night came and they took us like to a spa and we went ziplining and you know really kind of went out and did some active stuff and rode a horseback and it's kind of

cool the little program they have on there and by the time i did that you know rode horseback took a few ziplines sat in the spa got another sleep then you know then i was feeling fucking great again got some meals in me too food was food was important so it was a few days it was a few days yeah you're down there for like six days dude it does not sound attractive it sounds like it's really worthwhile absolutely especially um my friend ed ed clay um he's been taking a lot of people down there that have problems with pills you know and uh it helped him tremendously and i know a lot of people any opiate sort of problem opiates yeah it's brilliant yeah ibogaine is supposed to be the shit i mean across the board they tout a you know and i haven't like

researched and verified this but across the board they tout a 93% effectiveness rate for able-gain treatment on heroin addiction. Wow. So obviously, again, I'm not an expert on that aspect of things, but that's generally the figure that they use. And I literally did get to see somebody make an amazing transformation between being an addict arriving there and then breaking through and really just the whole energy about him was pretty remarkable and that's another

thing they talk about the the physical health benefits and you know it seems like it's really taxing on your body and really hard but one of the things that it's uh the positive things that it's doing is it feels like being in that kind of high voltage shed with all of that um all of that kind of energy around you you feel like you've been retuned by like a master tuning fork and um it seems like you know they say that you know all of these bacteria and a lot of viruses have like a different kind of fucked up frequency cancers and shit like that you know that's kind of they're operating on a different vibrational frequency which is replicate fast and they're not quite of the same healthy frequency and so you know it seems to make sense that you know kind of retuning that

body's you know kind of vibration resetting resetting resetting the machine pulling out reconnecting yeah exactly hitting reset on that and that. They boast a lot of pretty dramatic physical cures, and who knows? Again, that's not a knowledge base that I have. But if that is true, if they are having very positive physical results, it doesn't surprise me because that kind of retuning seemed to permeate everything. So if something else was operating not on the right frequency you know that thing got realigned you know i really feel like that was that was definitely possible but again you know that's something that's the problem with not having these things legal so we can't study it what did you what did you feel is causing it did you feel that it's like

uh does it feel like a higher power does it feel like a higher intelligence? Does it feel like just this is what happens when you mix oil with water? This is what happens when you mix Ibogaine with people. You know what I'm saying? Was it just a physical reaction that's beneficial? Did you feel like there was... I mean, obviously, this is just going on your feeling, which is, you know, what crazy evidence is that?

But does it feel like you're being guided? Does it feel like intelligent life? It does. Well, because it's a question and answer kind of scenario. Now, you feel like you're, I mean, never before have I had such a direct, you get what you ask for kind of response. Usually you kind of set intent and it's vague and it comes to you in weird ways and you put the pieces of the puzzle together after you're done like oh shit that's why i was being shown that or you come to unique

epiphanies that are kind of tangentially related this one was a direct fucking question and answer it was like you got put towards the source of truth and whether that truth like they say is with inside yourself or elsewhere you know i don't think it's even that relevant at that point it's really you are going to get to the truth that you know your infinite soul knows and and that's going to help guide you this is some crazy trippy shit it was filed the artist formerly known as chris optimus might have been one yeah optimus meat boy betty wait wait no no it's betty optimus Meat Boy That's his new name Optimist Meat Boy

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I think you Must have Influenced a lot of people's ideas on the subjects of ibogaine today i think there's uh quite a few people right now that are thinking that it's a great idea for them and quite a few people that are saying there's no fucking way i'm never gonna do that shit and i want to live a good life to make sure that i never get in myself in a position where i need that crazy drug whack myself out for a fucking month yeah it's uh it's a challenge you know but i think having no the most important thing is just don't have this irrational fear about these psychedelics like listen to yourself maybe ibogaine would never be the one for you but you know if you're afraid

of exploring these parts of your mind just conquer that fear you know use the tools that are available you know find the tools that you can and these are incredibly powerful tools and pray like joe is right now i was trying to keep it together i have the same shit dude i'm hurting right now i'm getting sweaty and shit yeah i told you my daughter sneezed in my mouth yeah i'm fighting it off i'm almost completely done with it. I can work it out today, but I still get the sniffles. This weekend, we are going to be, oh, Atlanta, 420. It's on, bitches.

The Tabernacle. I'm filming my next special there, which I will release on the internet, Louis C.K. style, for $5. That's what you got to call it now. Everybody's doing it. Gaffigan's doing it the same way as well. So Atlanta, you dirty bitches you kentucky fried hookers i'm coming down for you that's the place to do it i figured i haven't been atlanta in a long time i got a lot of new material since the last time i was there so it'd be a perfect place for me to record my new special the first show is already sold out so we just added a second show at 10.30pm at the Tabernacle, and it's a

fucking badass old theater. It's really dope. So that's April 20th. So get involved, hookers. It's going down. This weekend, we are Friday night at 9 and Saturday night at 10.30 at the Ice House Comedy Club. Room

2, the annex room, that is the small, intimate room. It's only like 85 seats. The shit's going to sell out. We've got a lot of people coming down. Duncan Truss is going to be there Saturday. Who else we got Friday? We got Joey Diaz.

Hello. We got Rick Ingram. Ari's in Southwest by Southwest. Powerful Ari Shaffir. Ari Shaffir is pimping all over the world now. He's headlining everywhere now. Yeah, yeah. Because of the power of the podcast, ladies and gentlemen. He's headlining everywhere now. Yeah, yeah.

Because of the power of the podcast, ladies and gentlemen. That's how crazy this world is, huh? A bunch of assholes sitting around talking on the internet, and it changes lives. I have something going on this weekend. Anybody in Austin? It's got the Warrior Poet kind of relaunch party, putting a lot of emphasis in that. What, your website? Yeah, the blog.

You're having a relaunch party for your own personal blog? I so your website uh yeah the blog rewatch you're having a relaunch party well yeah i kind of redesigned it crazy push it out there so who does i need a good web guide you know a good web guy yeah good totally yeah so anyways warrior poet.us is the is the blog at warrior poet us is my twitter but this sunday 12 to 5 at a swift's attic downtown south by Southwest recovery style we're going to have some good food some good drinks you're going to get

a lot of greasy weirdo handshakes talk some church a lot of people perfect talk to me about your Ibogaine experience you're going to be shaken

do you think you can help me do you think you can help me alright ladies and gentlemen that's the end of this particular podcast this is our third in four podcasts in a row this week

we're not fucking around we're good and crazy this weekend's just going to be us silently sitting there in front of a microphone. Yeah, Ice House Chronicles this weekend. We're just going to let everybody else talk. But we got one more tomorrow. Tomorrow at 3 p.m. with Matt from Hoarders,

the dude who cleans up all these crazy fucking people's houses. That should be really interesting. I can't wait to talk to that guy about the nuttiness. That's another broken aspect of human mind all right thank you everybody thank you everybody tuned in thank you much love to all my friends on on the internets all my friends tuning into this whether it's through stitcher or mp3 or itunes or whether you prefer to stare at us through vimeo or ustream or whatever we thank you very much.

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of a comedy club. And what it is, is we sit around and we talk shit and everybody, you know, who is doing the show sits in and we, it's one of the funniest podcasts.

Yeah, we just put up a good one with you, Joey Diaz, Brody Stevens, a bunch of people. It's great. It's great. It's so fun. It's like the, it's one of the funniest podcasts. Yeah, we just put up a good one with you, Joey Diaz, Brody Stevens, a bunch of people. Oh, it was great. It's great. It's so fun. It's like the,

it's one of the best environments ever for just talking shit and hanging around. And for the longest time, these environments have always been the back of the comic store or, you know, or a room at the improv. And they're lost.

These fun times are lost. But now because of this Ice House Chronicles, we've actually turned it into a podcast. And it's one of my favorite podcasts. That's it. All fuckers we'll see you soon april 20th tabernacle the tickets links all that shit's on my facebook and my twitter holla see you soon big kiss bye Thank you.