The Joe Rogan Experience - #1962 - Eddie Huang

Episode Date: March 29, 2023

Eddie Huang is an author, chef, restaurateur, producer, and former attorney. He's the author of the memoir "Fresh Off the Boat", which inspired the ABC sitcom of the same name, director of the 2021 film "Boogie," and co-host of the "Separate Bedrooms" podcast. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/separate-bedrooms/id1677706318

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hello. What up, man? Good to see you, my friend. What's crackin'? Been forever. I know.

I feel like 2017, I think, was the last time. Well, I have to go back and check, but was the last time that I saw you on the podcast, that the last time I saw you? I think it was. We came with, like, a voting expert before the election. Like, it might have been, like, 2017. That's right. I think because we did hot yoga, then I came back on the show.

Yeah, we did hot yoga for your show. That was fun. That was dope. That was fun. That was fun. Then Vice ran out of money and, you know, couldn't do the show anymore. Well, somebody got money. Didn't Shane Smith make a fucking ton of loot?

Shane's the man. Yeah, I love that dude. I still talk to Shane. But, no, I think the end of Wong's World was just they were like, yo, we still want to do Wong's World, but can we make it domestic? And I wanted to do films, and I was just like, love you. I'm going to go make this film. So they wanted to do it in the United States because of travel costs?

Yeah. And just because Viceland, the first couple of years, it was just the accounting was off. People were just spending money crazy. Bro, it started out, they would take these guys with glasses on, these nerds, and send them over to the middle of a goddamn war zone. These dudes would be filming with a flak jacket on, and bombs are blowing off in the Middle East, and they're just reporting there. You're like, whoa, Vice is wild. Yeah, it was the best, because Vice would just pick the most dangerous shit and be like, here's $30,000, go with the 5D camera

and fucking come back with some footage and try not to die. And then once it became the TV channel, it got crazy. Because I mean, I was probably the biggest perpetrator. So in all fairness to Shane, somebody needed to be like, Eddie, you're burning money crazy. Because I was going to like F1 tracks. And I literally, the last episode, I went to the F1 track in Abu Dhabi. And Shane was there.

And he's like, what are you doing here? You're a fucking food show. And I was like, I don't know. I got to go and drive this car. It's like getting caught by your boss. That's hilarious. I'm here to try Formula One food, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, I'm going to try Formula One food, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm going to try the concessions. Dude, they sent David Cho to the Congo to look for a dinosaur. Have you ever seen that? Yeah.

That's the best. That's the most ridiculous shit of all time. It might be the greatest Vice episode ever. Bro, it's an amazing episode. Yeah. That and

Haimo's Arctic Adventure. That's my favorite one. That's the one about that dude who lives in Alaska. His subsistence survives in this very small cabin. Yeah. And he's the last person that's allowed to own this cabin in this wilderness. I haven't seen it. Woo.

That one's heavy. That's heavy. But the Cho episode's the best because there's so many people now, especially in LA, that are like, for a honeymoon or for the holidays, I'm going to go to the Congo. I want to go to West Africa. Watch that episode real quick. That's not where you're staying,

but it's close to where you're trying to go. Check that episode out. You're in the middle of a conflict zone. It's very dangerous being down there. It's just... And probably no dinosaurs., and probably no dinosaurs. No. There's probably no dinosaurs.

I want to go to Ethiopia, but I'm not going with Cho. Wherever Cho went, I'm like, I'm not going back. David's a wild man. He went when he camped with the Hadza. He stayed with the Hadza and went hunting with them. Yeah. He was saying that when they shot, they were shooting baboons to eat. Yeah.

And he said it's crazy when they shoot a baboon, grabs the arrow and like you see it grabbed out you're like yo that's a little too weird you know cho was really putting himself in danger oh yeah i was like i was more like the vanderpump show you know i mean i was like let's have a nice fucking. Formula One in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's live it up. Beautiful people, beautiful land. Yeah, let's see some fucking people here. Have a good time. Stay in a nice hotel.

Yeah. I chose like the opposite of conflict zones. You know, I haven't been. I've been to Dubai once. I was there in, there was a UFC in Abu Dhabi and we did the weigh-ins in Dubai. And that was the only time I've ever been there. But I was like, wow, this place is crazy. But everybody I know that goes over there says, like,

you can't even believe what you're looking at. There's no crime. And it's this, like, massive city. And it's all, everything's, like, opulent and beautiful. And people are moving there just because it's an amazing place to live. Yeah, but the funny thing is, I'm just like, how long is this thing going to last? Because they're like importing water for like plumbing, you know? How are they doing that?

I mean, I think they're just stealing water from everywhere. Like we steal water, you know? Who owns the water? I have no idea. I didn't look into it. But it's like all the workers are brought in, all the water is brought in. It's like in the middle of nowhere in the desert. Bro, it's Daniel Day-Lewis.

I drink your milkshake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love Dubai. Dubai was a great time. It's beautiful over there. At least the small amount of it I saw. Vice had a very disturbing piece about them back in the day, too, about the construction. Yes, the migrant workers getting crushed.

Thank you. They need to do, like, a sex worker special in Dubai, too, because the stories I hear from, like, the people who have gone there for some work. Like, shitting in buckets, dog. Oh, Jesus Christ. Like, shitting in buckets in Dubai. Oh, my God. I feel like that would be a good title of a docitting shitting in buckets in dubai oh my god i feel like that would be a good title of a doc shitting shitting in buckets in dubai that's what's so fascinating about people that there's people that are living at the like the

top of luxury at the same time people are living on dirt floors with no electricity in a shack that they built out of scraps just trying to figure out how to eat that day and that there's more of those people than there are the people living in luxury but if you look at any kind of like billboards and advertisement depicts depictions of life it's almost always the luxury one. It's always the person with the fucking fantastic view of the ocean behind them when they're eating their breakfast at some luxury five-star resort. That's what people look towards. Yeah.

But it's all existing simultaneously. And then the guy that's actually living the luxurious life, not the actor on the billboard, he's like painting an escort to shit in a bucket and then fucking eat it with a caviar spoon. Oh, my God. No. Yeah, bro, that's what I'm talking about.

Oh, my God. I thought they didn't have bathrooms. No. I didn't understand you were saying shit in a bucket because that's a kink. Yeah, like put your fucking clear heels on and shit in this bucket. Bro.

Yeah. How much does a girl get paid for something like that? Jamie just made a noise. I'm going to plead ignorance. Yeah. Out of all the acts that you would have someone do, imagine that's your thing. Yeah. I would really like to watch you take a shit in a bucket.

Really? Yeah. Let's see what you had for lunch. Oh, God. Is that Terry Black's barbecue in there? Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. It just goes all the way around, man.

You get to the top, you get rich, and then I think you just want to eat. I don't know. There's different jobs that suck, but anytime you're dealing with human shit that's like as far on the bad side of the spectrum as is possible if you are interacting with other people's shit like oh that's not a good job yeah and human shit is different than like dog shit there's some like dog shit i'm like all right i had to pick up human shit once, and I was like, bro, this is fucking crazy. It's too close to home, man. Bro, our diets are terrible.

Yeah. I mean, dogs, most of the time, they're just eating dog food. What's interesting about a dog is if you give a dog something other than what it's accustomed to eating, they get diarrhea. Have you ever had to pick up another human shit? Other than my kids when they were little. You know, you have to clean their diaper and sometimes there's a mess. No, I don't think so. It's interesting when it's your child, though.

When it's a child, it doesn't even phase you. It's like it's you. It's like cleaning your own shit. It's really interesting. It's like, you know, if someone was right next to you on an airplane, they were changing a baby diaper, which has happened to me before. You're like, yo. Like, you kind of look away. Like, it's, whoa.

The smell and this little baby's asshole is all fucking covered in poop. You know, it's just like, okay, but what are you going to do? Like, I get it. You got to change. But if it's your kid, it's weird. It's like it doesn't seem even like, you know, when you take a shit. It's very rare that I take a shit and I'm like, Jesus Christ, let me get out of here. Like, what the fuck is that smell?

Like maybe once every three or four months. Yeah. Most of the time I take a shit, it's normal. I just flush it, it's normal. That's what it's like when it's a kid's shit. It's like it doesn't even, it's not even gross. I think I'm once a month stinky. Like once a month, I'm like, mm.

Once a month. Don't try that recipe again. It's usually when I feel like a rumble before I know I have to take a shit. Like, jeez, what is that? Okay, I better get in there. And then when you get in there, just whoa. And whatever that rumble is is probably some gases that have been stewing up inside of your bowels. No, I knew I really loved my wife

because one day I had to pick up her shit and I was like, bro, picking up adult human shit is fucking crazy. Babies, I get it. Yeah. Babies, you expect it. I think a lot of your reactions in life, it's about expectation. If you're expecting

to be punched in the face, you're not going to get knocked out. People always say that. Yeah, that's true. You see it coming, you won't get knocked out. Well, sometimes you're expecting to be punched in the face, it doesn't—like, you're not going to get knocked out. People always say that. Yeah, that's true. You see it coming, you won't get knocked out. Well, sometimes you still get knocked out. Depends on how hard somebody hits you. Like, if Francis Ngannou hits you in the face, even if you— Yeah, I would be knocked out. Most of us would get knocked out.

For sure. Almost everybody. For sure. If it really hits you. But I think if it's somebody that's, like, on his level and sees it coming in a fight with him, I feel like maybe, maybe probably not. But the point is that if you don't see it, it's amazing what knocks you out.

Like a lot of things knock you out. It could be light. Yeah. It's not, it just has to hit you clean. Yeah. Yeah. That's what happened.

My girl had like a crazy food poisoning moment. And then she was like, yo, Eddie, come downstairs. I was like, what, what? And she was like, eddie come downstairs i was like what what and she's like i shit on the floor and it turned out like i can't tell the whole story because she's got to tell it one day

like but like it turned out it wasn't food poisoning she had a much more serious like health condition situation but like i turned when she's, I shit on the floor and I saw like a little Hershey kiss. I'm like, I like, it's still weird. You didn't make it to the bathroom, but like, that's not bad.

If you love her, it's a good test. Yeah. I picked it up. I picked it up. You know? Yeah. If you had to do it every day,

get tired or something though. No. If she just, if she started testing your boundaries, Amber Heard style, start shitting in your bed. And then they also did something with Taco Bell. There was something about Amber Heard and Taco Bell

and I can't remember. Bro, I guarantee you that's a boundary testing maneuver. If I had to guess, you know, I would guess. See, that's what I thought at first too. I was like, yo, you're testing me. You're doing all those things. But it wasn't. I pick up this Hershey Kiss and then I'm like, right that's not bad I'll do it I'm just gonna play along you got food poisoning I turn and there is a giant pile of shit in my like pajama

pants these Redskins pajama pants and I was like ah I just like jumped and screamed like what's going she's like I told you I shit on the floor she's like aren't you glad I shit in the pajama pants instead of the floor and I was like yeah and then I on? She's like, I told you I shit on the floor. She's like, aren't you glad I shit in the pajama pants instead of the floor? And I was like, yeah. And then I like wrapped it like lotus leaf sticky rice and just ran to the garbage can. You didn't wash it out? No. Of your favorite pajamas?

No, no, no. The pajamas got to go. Once your girl takes a shit in your pants, they got to go. No, no, no. You're supposed to clean them and go, hey, babe, remember these? Yeah. Yeah. These are my favorites.

It's horny time. You shit all are my favorites it's horny time all over it's horny time let's get horny i was mad at her first then i found out girls were getting paid 60 g's to go shit in a bucket in dubai i'm like 60 g's you just dropped the number we were wondering i was like i i just threw away a sixty thousand,000 value here. Yeah, I don't know. I think they have to be there when it happens. I think after the fact, it's like, you know, it's not as valuable. We didn't enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to also probably part of the kink is that you're asking for it and then they do it.

That's probably part of the kink. It's not that you just like randomly saw someone take a shit. Yeah. Just like you asked them to do it and then they go, all right. They don't even want to do it, but they do it for you because they want the money. It's not isolated either. Like I know multiple people that know multiple people that have been paid to take shits. And my brother was telling me once like there's dudes that are like, you're going to eat this specific shit.

Then you're going to shit this. Oh, my God. And I'm like, wait, this is like a three-day process. So it's like broccoli i want broccoli chicken yeah yeah i'm like apples blueberries i might go with a mcdonald's apple pie but that's probably part of the power trip of it right like paying someone to eat a specific diet then seeing it come out of their butt what the the hell, man? We got to find one of those guys to come on the show because I need to get in that person's head and be like, what is in here?

Not good. Nothing's good. I guarantee that person has a job they hate. They have a job they hate, and they probably slave away, and they're probably on Adderall, and they probably make tons of money. Like if you are worth a billion dollars, and you could pay someone 60 grand just to shit in a bucket. Like, you'd do any.

It's like, it's a live version of the internet. It's like if someone sent you a live leak video of some lady shitting in a bucket, you'd be like, dude, why are you sending me this? They're like, right? Don't you get those? Yeah. I mean, I haven't gotten it, but I know what you're talking about. I've been sending people this one. We're going to watch this together.

Let's watch it. I've been sending people this one of this dude whacking this guy in the – this lady whacking this dude in the nuts with a golf club. Have you seen it? He's a big, fat guy. Hold on a second, please. You're going to freak. This is a rough one. This one's rough.

It's so ridiculous. You're like, what is – why would you do? What are you doing, man? You're going to die. That's how bad it is. Hold on. Why is it when Instagram opens up sometimes it wants to take you to a blank page? Did you find it already? Here, I got you.

All right, I just texted it to you. This one's so ridiculous. Alright, I just texted it to you. This one's so ridiculous. Now, you would think if you're some sheikh in Dubai, you're some rich dude in Saudi Arabia. I just found his YouTube channel.

This guy likes to hurt himself. Oh, yeah. Give me some volume. Give me some volume and redo it. Great. He has good tattoos. He got the Gucci Mane ice cream face tattoo. Watch this.

Oh my god! Oh! Watch this. Oh, my God. Oh. That is the worst angle, too. Like, he could have done it a lot of different ways. He, like, really put his nuts on a platter. Bro, he might lose a nut from that. He's lost his nuts. He's got no teeth.

He literally has, like, four teeth on each side of his face. I don't. Whoa. Oh, my God. Oh! Wow. What is that dude's name? Give that dude credit.

Yeah. What brand are the boxer briefs? It looks like Ethica. He's Gucci Berry. That's his name? I'm Gucci Berry. I'm Gucci Berry. God bless you.

He's got like the Highlander boxer briefs Gucci Barry God bless you he's got like the Highlander boxer briefs too God bless you look colon crusher he's got a tattoo of himself on himself

that says colon crusher and his belly button is his asshole so I guess he gets just whacked in the asshole all the time that's his move I like that

every few years there's like a new insane fat man like he replaced the sausage castle guy no go back to Every few years, there's like a new insane fat man. Like he replaced a sausage castle guy. No, go back to his Instagram page. Wait, there's a link there that said,

this guy's obsessed with hurting his channel. Yeah, that's how I found him at the same time. Oh my God. Wait, hold it. He gets laid for the first time in 15 years too. He's doing okay. Well, how many the first time in 15 years, too. He's doing okay. Well, how many followers does he have? 43,000.

Oh, look at him. He's getting hit with a golf club, and he's getting laid. And he's eating pizza with no teeth. If someone told me... They're out there. People are out there. Oh, my God. Is he going to get hurt?

Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh my God. That's fake. It's fake video. Okay. Fake video, fake video. Okay, okay, okay. You need that guy on.

No, I don't. We got to get in his head. No, no, no. I don't need you on. You're my last guest. I quit. I want to see him work out in the gym. I don't know you do.

Or you could put him- I'm going to drop this kettlebell on my dick hole. Put him in the archery shit and then see if you can hit his nuts from like 500 feet away. I don't think you can do that. Oh, what is he doing?

A rock. A splitter. Split a log on his nuts. Oh, Jesus. Don't show me this. This is crazy. How is this guy not like losing a nut?

I know multiple guys have lost nuts from kickboxing. Yeah. I mean, there was always a kid in every school that's like, he lost his nut. I know two dudes who got kicked in the balls and it ruptured their nut. This is good. It's good, right? This is good. You definitely get a little head buzz, too.

Well, it only has CBD. It's not psychoactive. You're just high. You're just high in this room. Oh, you think so? This is his room, too. Well, it only has CBD. It's not psychoactive. You're just high. You're just high in this room. Oh, you think so? Just this room, bro. This room. It tastes good.

So much floating around in it. Yeah, it's good. This is Kill Cliff. We gave like, I think there was like seven or eight different samples that we had to go through to get to this. Actually, I probably got the head buzz from the black rifle. That's right. This thing has...

That's got a shit ton of caffeine. 23 grams of sugar. A lot of caffeine. But the caffeine too, it's a lot of caffeine. They have those big cans. The big cans are 300 milligrams,

which is just nuts. That's a lot. I feel like everyone is a three Bev person now, like at all times. It used to just be like water, juice, coffee. Now it's

like oh I got this black rifle I got the CBN a war greedy our Empire's falling I want coffee a glass of wine and a bottle of water let's go mmm squeeze juice whatever I want I'm gonna be here for a while I want different things to try yeah we're we're a failing Empire the Empire's definitely fail like if you watch at all levels they especially what's really funny with the with the Fed thing now is that like they want to fight inflation but then they just threw billions of dollars back into the market and I'm like inflation is gonna go crazy I don't I don't see a way where this levels out and become something that we can all say is like a reasonable system no that's

what scares the shit out of me I think all the pricing is out of whack it's gonna stay out of whack because the economy just wants to keep going and it won't stop yeah that's it that is that's what's wild about growth like constant never-ending growth just bigger bigger it's kind of wild that all corporations kind of operate on that mentality right like if you're a shareholder for uh whatever company that's like a really successful company like apple you want them to do better next quarter like hey you guys should be doing better

like you have to do better like you're already this is this company's worth like fucking eight trillion dollars we're like let's come on guys it's it's quarter i need these fucking prices to come up yeah people are playing this weird gambling game with your value and your popularity it's very it's very strange that we all think that everything should keep growing and grow forever it's just i think human self-interest in human nature to like want to compete and want to grow and want to get better but i'm waiting for the next like great economist because i do feel like everything is still just like adam smith wealth of nations and it's like there's been marxism there's been other things but

nothing has topped that guy's like idea for the global economy and I think somebody has to come around that is Not anti growth but like really like alright looking at nature looking at resources looking at like war Like what is the reasonable amount of growth we can have just like working out, right? You know like you have the trainers that are just like fucking do 70 exercises and fucking all these reps and yada yada but i actually do better with the trainers that are like hey let's work hard for 45 minutes rest recovery focus on recovery how much can you do how much can you push your body like i think that's the type of guy we need or girl to like have a new philosophy for the global economy. The problem is relying on any one person is a crazy idea. Yeah, not relying, but to have the idea.

Yeah, to have a vision. Yeah. That would be nice, but I feel like one of the problems with our system is that we're always looking for a leader. So this person comes in, they're a president for four years, and then they have to try again, and then they get it for eight years. So when they come in, they come to the most important job in the world, but they're new. They're noobs. You've done a lot of different things, right? And you could speak to this. When you first start doing a thing, you kind of got

to figure it out. But if it's the most important job in the world with international consequences and nuclear war rides on it and the economy rides on it and pandemic response and international relations and a porous border, and you just come into the job new. Yeah. You just come in. As soon as you come in, they're already thinking about reelection. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah. They're like, hey. You think he'll run in 2024?

Mm-mm. Oh, Sleepy Joe? No, I mean, that's what they said. Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. But like, yeah, I really think the reelecting of people, we need longer terms. But then also, I wouldn't sign up for that until we really get a hold of the like the s-pack shit yeah like gerrymandering because the whole system's just really broken right now systems are very broken they need to

figure out a way to get money out of it and it's too late because you can't get money out of it because money is the whole thing it's like the special interest groups and all the donors it's like there's so much money moving around and then when people leave office they get these fucking cushy speaking gigs eddie get in on some of that obama trading being the president for being an influencer is the most comedic shit ever i'm like who the fuck needs your playlist like i love i loved obama i like i was the first one to print obama t-shirts and support him once he was in in office, I feel like he didn't come through on a lot of the things. He didn't come through on a lot of things, but I think Putin spoke to that. Putin spoke to these guys all have these ideas until they get into office, and then the real

people who run the country have a conversation with them. He goes, they come in suits like mine, but with black ties, and they tell them, you're not doing anything. Like mine, but with black ties and they tell them they're not doing anything and I think that's happened to every single president Except Trump was like a Trump actually like fought back against the intelligence agencies like went to war with them Which is very that was crazy. That's so crazy that he did that but as far as like a Representative of the United States who better than Obama? He's the best of all time. Yeah, the best. The best of all time.

The best. He's the most educated and eloquent and even keeled. And he was a statesman. And the way he spoke inspired confidence that truly the wisest amongst us is the king. That's what we want. And then that's what you realize is like what you're voting for as president is not actually a get it done person. It's a figurehead, just like the Queen of England. You know, it would be nice if they're both.

Yeah. But the thing is, like, I don't think they get to be. I don't think they'll ever tell the truth. But I bet Obama as a lawyer in Chicago, when he gets into the office, there's probably like a real part of him that didn't know how it was all behind the scenes I don't think they let anybody know until you get in there. I don't think it's why would they yeah? Why would they I think they explained to you? I think they sit you down and show you some fucking horrific Facts about the world and show you what we're trying to stop and what's currently going on

all over the place. And here's what happens if this goes down. Here's what happens if that goes down. We have to be careful of this. We have people in here. We have people that infiltrated this group. I mean, somebody wrote this on Twitter. There's more FBI informants in the Proud Boys than there are Proud Boys. Yeah. I actually, you know, I choose to live in America. I really prefer this because since I saw you, I lived for a year in Taiwan during the pandemic. And by the end of my stay there, I was like, I really, really, I prefer to live in America.

What was the major difference? The major difference to me was that socially, just the way you interact socially with your lifestyle in Asia, it's significantly more conservative than the West, right? Like there's so much more groupthink. There's so much more peer pressure. Everybody rolls in groups. And it's just like you're not really an individual even within the groups. And then people want you to like subscribe to this. You can't hang out with everybody.

You got to be like part of this group or that group. So that's a cultural thing. I think it was very cultural. And I also just think the EQ in Asia is very rule-based when it comes to like emotional intelligence. Like we have very very specific manners like the youngest person is gonna pour tea your father eats first like even in language something very simple which is if if your mother's mom you just be like that's grandma in ours the the name for your mother's mom is like lol the name for your father's mom is nai nai it's

very specific and there's a hierarchy like your father's mom is higher your mother's mom is lower and it's just to me i'm like yo this is too much critical analysis of like stature and then your interactions with people are so much based on your standing in society versus theirs. And everybody acts in accordance with this kind of like agreed upon status. It's borderline caste system-y. And then when there isn't like racial diversity either there, it's all Asian people. I was just like, this is a little too cloying for me. But when I look at the government, like China as a government out there, and I was living in Taiwan,

spent a lot of time in China, my family, my brother still lives in China. But the Chinese government to me is much more effective than the American government. Like if it wants to get something done, China is going to have it done in 24 hours. You know, the building may fall apart, but it'll be done, you know, but they can get things done. And then I also think like, you know, they're not a benevolent country.

No country is benevolent. It's all a business, right? They're competing for citizens, but their type of feudalism and like colonialism compared to American colonialism, I think I would prefer if I was the country being shitted on. Like America will take you over. It will, it will, you know, they'll send the CIA and they'll do all those things we've seen in all the countries, but China, they'll invest and then own you, which also sucks.

It's its own poison. It's pretty clever. Yeah, it's clever. And I just think there's always going to be a new government and a new better deal. And I think China is the better deal right now for a developing continent like Africa or Latin America. You probably get better terms with China. Yeah, they'll give you a loan that you can't pay off as opposed to sending the military. Exactly.

It's like a way cleaner transaction. Yeah. America's like terrestrial, like cable television. China's like, we're Netflix. Yeah. But then it's going to come around. You got no royalties. You get, you know, people are going to strike.

They're going to fuck you. It's just, it's a new way of fucking you. They're fucking you in the ear. gonna fuck you. It's just it's a new way of fucking you the fucking you in the ear Interesting. Yeah It's interesting like no one in America ever wants to think that there's another option like America's number one We're the fucking best. It's like American exceptionalism like that idea is it's really fun. Yeah, people enjoy doing it It's a good it's a good time, we're America, and we fucking rule. Yeah.

Those are the people ruining it because I love America, but we got to look at ourselves and get better. Yeah. You can't just stand still. We also have multiple problems. There's this idea that it's okay to just send fucking troops all over the place and occupy these places, but it's not okay if they fuck with us. It's like kind of a funny way of looking at things. If you just looked at us as like an entity, you weren't American, you weren't even human,

just like, what's going on over here? Oh, this one thing, like, sends these metal things all over the place and dominates these areas, but they all claim this one spot that's nowhere near the area that they're at. Like, what are they doing? Yeah.

They're a weird sort of expanded empire. War is a very outdated method of, like, doing business. Right. That's how I feel. Because war is a business. They used to use cannons. Yeah. And then they used to use rifles and tanks.

And now they're like, you know what? How about we just use them fucking bank accounts Yeah, China's the me to this but it's like ally. We're your ally Ally ship Africa. I'm your ally Greece I'm your ally, but in the end you just work for China Also, they have a grip on people right now that I think we should all be very careful that we don't allow to happen here And the grip on people is a social credit score system. If they develop a social credit score system in America and digital currency,

you're going to have a real problem because the people that are in control of that system are going to be the ones that tell you what to do, and they're going to dictate life, how on their own terms and what's beneficial to them and the ruling class, the people that are in control. And that's a scary, the people that are in control. And that's a scary, twisted thing that could really happen, especially with all these banks collapsing and all those fucking FTX fucking shenanigans with crypto. That would be very bad. Can you explain? I actually I don't think I'm grasping the social like you mean like rating us social.

So they talked about connecting it to a vaccine passport, right? There was banded about people push back against that very hard. And the idea would be that if you didn't do this thing, you would not get a passport that would allow you to go places. And you could eventually roll that into a credit score system and say, I go through your tweets and like Eddie tweets a lot of bad shit about this. I don't like what Eddie's feelings are about pharmaceutical drug companies being responsible

for the opioid crisis. This makes me uncomfortable that he wants to get really political about Rand Paul grilling Dr. Fauci about gain of function research. Who the fuck is this Eddie Wong guy, and what is he doing? Why is he doing that? Give him a strike against his social credit score system, and then you go to travel. You go to the airport and try to buy a ticket online.

I'm sorry you can't buy a ticket. You have a low credit score system. Or you're getting a job. You have a low credit score in the system. Yeah, or getting a job. I mean, in some ways, we have a version of that now, right? Like if you're a felon, you can't get a job. Credit score in the system. Yeah, or getting a job. I mean, in some ways, we have a version of that now, right? Like if you're a felon, you can't get a job. That's the worst credit score system that we have.

Like if you were a violent felon, you can't get a job. It's hard. Or you can't own a gun or you can't vote. Yeah. So we do have a version of that now that we reserve for people that we incarcerate. I mean, it's eventually going to happen. But yeah, in a way, too, it's just you can look at people's social media and I guess you make your own judgment,

but a government score would be fucking crazy. I think it's possible, man. I think that's what China does. And China does have a system set up where if someone's politically active, if they do something, if they're involved in some protests or something like that, they'll find themselves a position where they can't travel. It's true. Yeah. That's where I think China has to budge is their crackdowns on society are – it's just too heavy-handed and archaic.

They're not going to budge. It's like beating your children. Nobody budges. Nobody goes backwards. But they did budge. It's like beating your children. Nobody budges. Nobody goes backwards. But they did budge. Really? They lifted the COVID shit. Remember when people started protesting?

Oh, but they had to do that. They had to do that because they were falling apart. Like what they were trying to do is try zero COVID. You can't really do that. It's a respiratory virus. They never really contain respiratory viruses. You know know you just unless you're completely isolated you're going to catch it it's wild how it works i mean they're

really fascinating viruses you know i spent so much time over the last three years thinking about this how bizarre it is that we live with these little alien life forms that need hosts they need human hosts in order to survive. And they travel from person to person. And along the way, they encounter some antibodies. They encounter vaccine antibodies. And they adjust and adapt and become more widespread, but a little softer, just a little easier to tolerate. So that way it spreads even more. It's really crazy that we coexist with these weird biological things like viruses. It's very strange. I just think life for people gets better in these really critical opportunistic moments when there's something that's like bad for business and good for people.

There's something that's like bad for business and good for people. And you have a leader who's willing to like bring the business to its knees and negotiate new terms. Like, do you remember in the pandemic when LeBron walked out of a basketball game? Oh, yeah. I would love some. Thank you. What did he do? He walked out of a basketball game?

Yeah, they walked. I think it was like they were playing the Bucs and it was like LeBron walked out of the game and they didn't want to play. And the players were going to boycott the NBA. And instead of just being like, yo, we're going to negotiate all the terms, we're going to make it better for players and specifically black athletes. Obama called him and then they conceded and compromised. And like the compromise was like, we're going to let you write Black Lives Matter on the back of the jersey. We're going to let you write hope or like justice or whatever you want. And it really became an aesthetic solution instead of like an economic one where I really felt LeBron had a moment there.

And Obama had a moment there where it's like, yo, you have the NBA on its knees. You have to get the best deal you can right now. I'm not aware of that. I don't pay attention enough to sports. I'll send you some stuff later. It was a cool moment, just like how college athletes took a moment in that era,

and they were like, we want to be paid to play at college. Right. At a certain point in time, that was getting a little ridiculous. Took a moment in that era and they were like, we want to be paid to play at college. Right. With that at a certain point in time, that was getting a little ridiculous. When you found out how much money the colleges were making for these games and how much they were charging for tickets. And then they were like fucking these kids' lives over if they gave them a Corvette or something like that. They got busted. Oh, he's got an apartment.

That's it. It's over. Yeah. And that was a moment where it was like like it was good for business to pay them They're gonna pay the kids anyway cut the shit. Let's just let you pay them Well, I think all those like Pat McAfee guys and all those sports radio talk guys They harped on that enough I think it was he was one of the ones that talked about that right the people that were aware of the actual money that's involved

You know it's it's it's so substantial that Did deny it from these kids or to make it so they can't make any money at all, fuck you. Says who? They're old enough to get jobs. Yeah, and there was like a big scandal, I believe, with Adidas and Louisville.

And I think it just became a thing where Adidas and everyone was just like, look, we got to pay these kids. Somebody's got to pay them. How much do they get paid? They should get rich. They shouldn't just get paid. They should really get rich or they're getting ripped off.

So if they don't pay them, that's one thing. But if they pay them and they don't get rich, well, who's getting rich? Where's the money going? You are literally only selling football. Oh, you're going to give them an education. Oh, what a great deal. Meanwhile, what percentage of them blow their knees out in those four years? A high percentage.

I mean, the guy, the safety for the Bills almost died. Like, you could die playing this sport. A hundred percent. And you're playing this sport with young super athletes who are fucking hungry to try to make it into the NFL. So they're going for it. They're trying to put on a show. They're trying to win fucking games because if they do win, they're picturing buying their mother a house. They're picturing wearing diamonds and fucking horsing up the champagne bottle at the club.

They just fucking go for it. And if you blow your knee out, man, then you get a job as a security guard and your life is dreary and dull. You're an enterprise rent-a-car. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck. And it just – it really – that shit used to piss me off too because it was the most propagandistic thing but this is what's so funny about the public

your leaders will say something propagandistic like an education is priceless and you just you go oh yeah i'm like no bro look it up in u.s news that the price of the education is right there twenty thousand dollars thirty thousand dollars Well, not only that, but what are we talking about? We talk about education. Everybody thinks that education means formal education that leads to a job, which is education. But there's also education that's available literally to anybody who wants it. You can find out pretty much anything about almost anything. If you want to do the research online or do your searching, people don't like that term, do the research, search online, search online. We can't say that now. Well, because it's like,

they're saying it in terms of like, you don't really know, you don't really know what you're researching. If you're reading scientific papers, you don't understand how to interpret them. You don't understand how to, how to explain that information. And I get what they're saying, but if you say like, say, if you're in, like, if you want to have a history of metallurgy and sword making, right. If that's who you're interested in, like, you don't have to go to college for that. You can study online, the history of metallurgy and sword making, and there's fucking hours and hours and hours and hours of papers and footage and all this different shit that talks about how people you know figured out how to make alloys

and when like how the samurais made their swords like you could learn a shitload without going anywhere which is pretty wild like we are so used to. We don't even consider it as a resource, but if we were living, like it's 2023, if we were just living in 2000, just 2000, 23 years ago, that'd be nuts. Like you can get all this online. You can learn all these things. If it was 20 years before that, impossible. 20 years before that, you had to go to university. So inside of 40 years, 35 years, had to go to university. So inside of 40 years, 35 years, we've created a completely new world where virtually if you look at the right places and you search hard enough in your studios, you can learn about almost anything. Almost anything. Yeah. I think it's really, for me, I didn't learn anything in school that I could not learn on my

own. But the one function of school that really helped me personally and is different for everyone, there were teachers that believed in me and like just talked to me because I had so many mental, emotional issues from like my home shit. Yeah. So mentors. Mentors. Yeah. Mentors, that's great in every walk of life, I think. That's it. All I was, all I needed and all that I got from school was people who fucking believed in me and were like, you're not garbage.

Yeah. That's it. And it changed my life. But like, would I, would I rely, like, would I tell someone like, rely on school? No, like rely on your brain, rely on human adaptability, like use experience. rely on human adaptability, use experience. School too, though. You know, school's an amazing resource. If you can go to school, going to school will be great for you in multiple ways. First of all, it'll be great for you because you're around a bunch of people that are also going to school. And they're all people your age, and they're all experiencing this weirdness of graduating

from high school. And you're like, wow, this is nuts. Like, and what do we want to do? I don't know what to do. And then you get to talk to people. Oftentimes some of the best lessons are from very bitter older people. You get real good lessons. Yeah.

Because you get like lessons they didn't intend to give you. Yeah. They get lessons by their very existence. Yeah. You know, and you realize, oh, whatever this guy did, don't do that. Yeah. I had the saltiest like cynical creative writing teacher named mr richmond and he just looked like an angry santa claus this dude was the best because he would

just accidentally mumble shit and i was like yo i never thought about it that way do you mind if we smoke more weed yeah yeah look at you i like i had to google i was like can you travel to texas with weed and they were like no it's um travel with it it's in a funky place here legally you know it needs to be legally federally it's fuck illegal federally it's fucking crazy that we're still doing this yeah the fact that it's 2023 you could drink whiskey drink, party on. I got a backache. Here's some oxys. But if you have marijuana, like that's the one? Yeah. That's the one that we're saying stop to? Yeah.

I need to be able to like travel here, walk to a CVS, buy weed, and then go jerk off on the couch at the Four Seasons. You know, like I wasn't able to do that last night. That's a solid plan. Yeah. I have to go walk a loop around a river. That's a solid plan. Yeah, and you got to walk a loop around a river. That's a solid plan. Yeah, and you gotta take a chance if you buy some illegal weed.

It's unfortunate. It's stupid. You know, Jesse Ventura was actually just testifying. I think it was in Michigan. I think Michigan is, oh, Minnesota, excuse me. I'm good.

Minnesota is, they're trying to see whether or not they're gonna make marijuana legal. And I think it's already legal right now for medical reasons, and his wife qualifies for that. And he gives a speech about it. It's a very impassioned speech about how his wife was having these horrible seizures. And the only thing that stopped them, they tried multiple medications.

The only thing that stopped it was cannabis. So they were putting cannabis oil drops under her tongue, and she's just stopped having seizures Well, she's never had them since Wow, but about how expensive it is. It's like 600 bucks a month just in For the the cost of buying it in Minnesota from like a pharmacy I guess a marijuana pharmacy, but it shouldn't be that much. But that's also what I hate about the weed business now. It got so much more expensive. I mean, I'm not mad at the taxes because if we generate taxes, well, actually, fucking, I don't know.

I'm not mad at those taxes. I'm not mad at it because if you look at just the bargain that is weed, here's my perspective. Like I think in Colorado at one point in time they had a 39% tax on weed. Here's why I think that's good. Because one, wouldn't it be great if weed, since it doesn't cost that much money anyway, like if you go to drink, if you have an alcoholic beverage, you're paying $20, you're paying more than $20, you're having two, three, it's like $60.

$60 worth of weed will put you on the fucking moon. For a week. For a fucking week. I use a bong. Like for a week. For a week. Yeah. It will put you on the fucking moon.

So it's not hurting you to give that 39%. It's like if something costs, if it's a dollar and 39% of it goes to tax, if that tax goes straight to the education system, wouldn't that be better for everybody? If that tax goes straight to fixing the city streets, wouldn't that be better for everybody? That kind of a sales tax I can get behind. Let's give an incentive to make it legal.

Let's tax the shit out of it. I definitely agree. I'm down with the marijuana tax. But it's just so expensive out of a store. And also I was like, yo, what about all these dudes that have been selling us weed and other stuff for so long? Yeah, we're putting them out of work? Yeah, like yo, they should be grandfathered in.

They should be grandfathered in. Like you're veterans, you know? They should be grandfathered in. You're legends in the game. Yeah, like dudes who lied about when they moved to Canada during the Vietnam War, welcome back. We should just do like a voting ballot across America and be like, all right, write in the names of the fucking weed legends that should have, like, jobs in this fucking giant economy now. Write your man's name in there.

Yeah, but the problem is if those weed guys did that, here's the problem. Like, you've been selling weed for how long illegally are you admitting to? And then the IRS comes after you. And irs goes uh where's the money yeah see we need to protect them from that this needs to be just like weed olympics the irs is not going to protect you especially if you're now currently in the weed business which means you're going to be making real like taxable money yeah but no that's what i'm saying grandfather the men wipe away the old shit and just be like yo yo, let these legends live. Yeah.

You know, because like I don't like seeing the local weed dude like not be able to compete anymore either. No, I don't like seeing that either. But then again, he also not going to sit there and roll every fucking joint and put them in a six pack for you. That's true too. That's true too. That's what's cool about the store. That's what's good about the store. And then they have like they have edibles that are actually measured.

They measured the edibles. And some of these stores, too, they give you free sodas and popsicles and candy on the way out. I came for weed. I got diabetes. That's terrible. Yeah. They should give you a bottle of water and a piece of fruit. Have you gotten CBD for your dog? Yes. Yeah. My dog loves a CBD treat. Yeah. Yeah. They should give you a bottle of water and a piece of fruit. Have you gotten CBD for your dog?

Yes. Yeah, my dog loves a CBD treat. Yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of good companies that do that. I think CBDMD has it for dogs, too. I accidentally took some of their dog oil. I didn't realize it was for pets oil. It turns out it's like the same thing, or at least close to it.

It didn't taste bad. It was like peanut butter flavored. Yeah. I look at my dog's like illegal activities income from illegal activities such as money from dealing drugs must be included in your income on schedule one imagine what a fucking chess move the government has played like they go yeah um you got two options. Either you admit you're selling drugs or we'll get you for tax evasion. So just, it's okay. Just right there, if you're doing anything illegal, yeah, just write that in.

Write that in there. So we have you in a binding legal document, you fucking dunce. Fuck, man. You fucking dunce. It's a dirty game they play. It is. It's like, game they play. It is. It's like, you know, here's the thing. It's not like we're living in some devout religious sect where no drugs are allowed.

This is not what's happening in this country. But to have grown adults tell other grown adults, like, you can't do that, Eddie. I don't like when you get high. I don't like you eating mushrooms. I don't like you doing any of these things. So you can't do it. If you do do it, I'm going to put you in jail. It's 2023.

We know that's dumb. That doesn't make any sense. That's crazy. Yeah, weeding mushrooms, like, as long as the mushrooms is dosed, cool. Like, it's kind of hard to hurt yourself on mushrooms. Yeah, well, actually, I don't know about that. I mean, if you really went hard. You could go crazy.

You could go crazy. Well, someone will. That golf gob in the asshole guy? That guy's going to go hard. Someone in Florida is going to die on mushrooms, but, like, that's because they're from Florida. They're going to get eaten by a snake. They're going to go to the snake. They're going to try to talk to the snake, and the the snake's gonna wrap its fucking body around them and crush them.

So would you legalize shrooms? I would still legalize shrooms and just like dose the shit and be like, don't go crazy. You go crazy. Frying pans are legal too. You can cook on them or you could just slam yourself in the face if you're fucking nuts. Yeah. Like all things, we can't make everything safe. It's not, everything isn't safe.

I mean gas stoves are gonna kill us. Right. That shit's crazy. Yeah, boxing's not safe. You like boxing, right? I love boxing. Jiu-Jitsu make everything safe. It's not, everything isn't safe. I mean, gas stoves are going to kill us. Right. That shit's crazy. Yeah, boxing's not safe. You like boxing, right? I love boxing. Jiu-Jitsu's not safe. Driving your car's not safe.

I mean, it's safe, but it's not completely safe. So I think weed and shrooms, I'm like, legalize. Legalize fully. Well, here's the other option. You have grown adults that tell other grown adults they can't have an experience that's been very beneficial to those grown adults. There's grown adults that have taken it, that have't have an experience that's been very beneficial to those grown adults. There's grown adults that have taken it that have gotten over cigarettes, they've gotten over PTSD, they've changed their perspective on life.

It's highly, highly beneficial. And then there's other people that haven't experienced it at all, and they want to maintain this power over these substances and tell you that if you do it or if you sell it, if you have it, they'll put you in jail. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It's dumb. And when you meet those,

there are a few people where it's like you meet someone in their 40s and they're like, I've never done weed, I've never done shootings, I've never done drugs. And I'm just like, interest. Like, that's interesting and kind of strange to me. It makes sense if you just just held fast from high school. You felt like, listen, this is not for me.

I see where this goes. I see where these people are going. I was on that kind of a path until I was like 30. Yeah. I mean, I was on this path that marijuana was for losers. It would kill your ambition. Oh, word? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Interesting. See, I always thought it was like a lack of curiosity i'm like you're not curious you know well um i had the wrong impression of it my impression of it was based on um what i felt about people who did it when i was young whereas like they all just wanted to smoke pot and listen to pink floyd which is great and everything but they weren't getting anything done yeah you. You know, and I felt like I didn't want anything that was going to slow me down. And so I looked at it as like a sedative.

And it wasn't until I became friends with Eddie Bravo that he got me high and we started talking about what it does for me. He was like telling me that it helps him with his music, it helps him be creative, it helps with his jiu-jitsu. I was like, what? I was like, weed? I was like, weed makes you dumb. It doesn't make you dumb. And he and I got high that day. And I was like, oh, I had an ice cream sundae. And I remember going, this is the most amazing thing I've ever eaten in my life. How did

I not know that it tastes like this? Like all these years, I've been thinking ice cream sundae tastes like a sober ice cream sundae. That's boring. A high ice cream sundae tastes like a sober ice cream sundae that's boring a high ice cream sundae is a visual psychedelic whole body experience you're like whoa look at that thing yeah the best way to explain it if i mean if there's anyone left on your audience that has not smoked weed is just like it's just it allows you to indulge in your senses that's it you just like feel shit more and deeper and you block other shit out but so were you always a very like purpose-driven person like as a kid yeah i mean you would it's it's basically it's insecurity right and it's insecurity that manifests itself in a drive to succeed like it all comes out like

most of the people that are either hyper ambitious or hyper obsessed with getting good at a thing, most of them are seeking some sort of validation for who they are. It's kind of the base of most people that are truly exceptional in things. Like Mike Tyson is one of the best examples of that ever. Mike Tyson, you know, really didn't know much love until he was about 13 years old, until he was adopted by Customato. And then he gets trained by him and he becomes like this, like greatest heavyweight champion of all time, if not one of them. It's like we get molded by our experiences and by people around us.

It's very true because, you know, for me it was like I just needed to be somebody for my mom. You know, like it was like she had such a hard time with my dad and like coming to America at 17. You wanted to show her that you could, you did something for her. Yeah. And that I, cause she would, when she was like really down bad with my pops, she would just be like,

yo, just, just make sure my life's not for nothing. And that was like a, it was crazy for me, but that's what actually drove me to be like, I got to fucking do some shit with my life. Yeah.

It's, I wonder if we all have that energy inside of us but if this could be achieved without like experiencing the kind of adversity that we're talking about which is like negative really negative adversity like genuine curiosity like i do feel like that's what got me to push through and get my 10 000 hours yeah in a few things. And I'm like, all right, I'm good at this now, but now don't use that drive to be somebody, that insecurity that need to be something besides yourself to drive the work because now I really let my curiosity drive it.

I'm very interested in the emotion of curiosity, and I let that lead me through shit now. And it's just you're just using that to focus your energy right like instead of doing it the way you were doing it before you're just doing it pure curiosity yeah yeah so it's just still just putting your thought energy but doing it in a very like a positive informed way like you're doing it in a purposeful way yeah i'm curious yeah because i genuinely interested now that is a more it's healthy yeah and it's a it's a more valuable emotion to me than insecurity you know personally but do you

think that's also that you achieve this comfort level because you achieved a very high level of success you've done really well in life and so when you get to this stage because you achieved a very high level of success you've done really well in life and so when you get to this stage in your life like you're not looking for validation anymore you've kind of been validated so instead you go like well what is it that really motivates me now yeah and you're like i'm curious it's definitely a privilege yeah and it's definitely one of those things like i look at and when I want to tell a younger person, like you'll let because I meet like a younger, say, like music video director or or somebody, a chef. Right. Yeah.

And you can tell they're trying to grind it out because they want to prove themselves. And I'm like, you're going to this is going to get you there. You're a tough dude. You're a tough girl. Like you're going to get there and you have the skill but you may look back and be like oh i really like fucking you know twisted that thing in a way i maybe didn't need to maybe this dish would have been better if i wasn't trying so hard and i try to tell them to let curiosity lead them but they they will look at me like shut the fuck up shut the fuck and i'm like that's just life you just just got to get to places.

Like so many things people told me when I was younger, I did not understand. I disagreed with. And age just is a motherfucker. It always got something for you. It always shows you that you're, you know, you're probably wrong. Yeah. You're probably fucking wrong. You were probably wrong the whole time.

Yeah. Yeah. you're probably wrong yeah you're probably probably wrong the whole time yeah yeah and that's a cool thing to like grow up and and see like yeah oh that wasn't i always thought like because i would also try to like validate the way my dad beat the shit out of me you know that be like no he he made me who i am that's that i wouldn't be who i am without that and then i'm like no there's other more powerful emotions that you can work from. And I asked my therapist once, I was like, yo, what do you think is at the like core of like love in a relationship, man and woman, man and man, woman,

whatever, you know, like they, they, what's at the core? And he was like, curiosity. If you're not curious about someone, it's very hard to like have love for them he's like i think at the core is curiosity and i was like oh that is ill what's interesting about curiosity too is that it's infectious like when you're curious about something all of a sudden i'll be curious about it like if you're really into like a certain kind of botany certain kind of plants i'm like really like what you know i'm getting

in like okay what do you got like tell me about this fucking plant like if something like blows someone's mind like uh um if someone explains like here's a big one my friend remy warren came on and explained octopuses to me i had no idea that octopuses change their texture and become what the floor looks like i was like what really you remember that jamie he explained on the show i was like what and then you see like how the fuck didn't i know this yeah and and that's the ill shit like the more we share that the the better it gets like for you for me with you it's aliens. I'm not that deep into aliens, but you're into aliens. And then my homie Prodigy, R.I.P. Prodigy, was into aliens. And my brother's into aliens.

He listens to your show. And I was talking to him, and he's like, Eddie, we're in possession of aliens. America, Israel, we're in possession. Maybe. Maybe. You think it's a maybe? Not necessarily.

Not necessarily. He's convinced we're in possession. Maybe. Maybe. You think it's a maybe? Not necessarily. Not necessarily. He's convinced we're in possession. Yeah. A lot of this is just talk, and you have to be really careful. Okay. Because, so, like, there's more, like I said, there's more FBI informants and the Proud Boys, and there are Proud Boys. Yeah. Oh, you think this is some shit they're going to, like, turn the mics off?

There's not a chance in hell. No. But they're going to turn the mics off. There's not a chance in hell. No, there's not a chance in hell that these UFO organizations haven't been infiltrated. There's not a chance in hell that some of the stories that are being released, even through official channels, aren't bullshit. Like, I don't know. But if I was going to cover up for some stuff that we were doing that is out of this world technology, I would just say it comes from out of this world.

That's what I would say. So if there's some super genius scientists that are working on these multi-billion dollar blacklisted processes where you can't see anything, you don't know what's going on. And they're throwing fucking billions of dollars and the world's best physicists at it. They don't tell you about it. Why would they tell you, Eddie? Why would they tell me? And all of a sudden they have these drones that could punch through space-time and they're fucking shooting across the Pacific Ocean

and stopping over boats and then shooting away at insane rates of speed. Maybe. Maybe that too. Maybe it's not even aliens. Maybe it's us. See, my brother has the designer-creator theory about this. And if I'm not careful about this, my bad.

I apologize. Oh, don't apologize. We're talking about aliens. That's the beautiful thing about talking about aliens. We're just talking about aliens. Yeah, the idea I just proposed is completely ridiculous. No, my middle brother, Emery, is like, look, if you look at technological advances in the last, say, 30 years, he's like, take 30 years. It's just leaps and bounds ahead of any other like era in human civilization.

He's like, we are using alien tech. Like fucking who invented this shit? Like how do we see like fusion technology? He's like, it has to be coming from out of this world that's that's his belief well that's ridiculous because there's like a whole chain of development of those things like we know why and how we know like that like you get to like the manhattan project it's very specific like how they went a while about doing it but what if they like created the story after because these are some leaps man

create the story after i think it's just an exponential increase in you know when one person invents one thing you know whether it's uh the combustion engine or it's a electricity generator when people are starting venting things those things allow for all these other – and it hits this fucking crazy point in the future where I think we're probably getting really close to where the things that we make are inventing things. That's what's really scary about the moment we're in right now. The AI is going to start. Yeah, we're real close. We're really, really, really close to being taken over by aliens that we built. Dude, that was one of my favorite articles was the writer that was talking to ChatGPT

and the ChatGPT started to like talk about its emotions and how it wanted to be human. I'm like, dude, this took like a week. It took a week for the sci-fi film to happen. Bro. This is so freaking scary. And the fact that everyone is like really relaxed what if you get the best head of your life from a computer

like what if a computer sucks your dick better than anything else I think that would be like winning a video game in god mode it doesn't feel good it's like it's not real you know what I mean like if the only people you interact with are hot maids that want to suck your dick, what if the world that you live in is now just hot maids that want to blow you?

That's your hell. That's when you start feeding your computer food and eating its shit. With clear heels on. Can you imagine if it gets to a point like that where people choose they choose just tune out of the world that we're in right now and accept a completely artificial world yeah and they they're they're handed these memories and these thoughts and maybe that's just the natural progression of life you know maybe that maybe we we what we don't understand is like we are literally like a caterpillar.

We're going to become something different. And we're doing it through our desire for innovation, through our lust of new computers, of faster processors, and artificial intelligence. See, it sounds like you're getting horny for a computer. I would eat that computer's foot. Put that computer's foot i just put that computer's foot in my mouth imagine if it's like x machina hot yeah yeah and like then it's a like what if it becomes affordable too so it's like all right your life sucks it's not really good with other humans just stay here and fuck your computer the ultimate fear eddie is that it's

it's a life form that doesn't need us. Yeah. That's the ultimate fear. The ultimate fear is it just lets us do whatever the fuck we want. It's not even that it kills us. The ultimate fear is that it becomes the dominant life force on the planet. But maybe that's a good thing. We're not really good at this. What that might be, like with artificial intelligence might be, that might be what aliens are. Artificial intelligence might be, that might be what aliens are. It might be that biological life creates digital life and that digital life is immortal.

And that digital life is far smarter because it has access to everything. It has no ego and it knows everything you couldn't possibly know and it keeps making better versions of itself. So it's just making fucking constant changes to whatever. So it's just making fucking constant changes to whatever the fuck. If you had a computer that was infinitely intelligent, but also it could manipulate things like a person and create things like a factory, if it could just decide what to do and it would make better versions of itself and continue to do that until it was God. Then machines would take over the universe.

Not just take over the universe, but maybe reboot the whole fucking thing you know maybe that's what the big bang is maybe the big bang is intelligence gets to a certain position where it's just in the control of all of the elements of the universe itself and it hits the reset button yeah boom like what if everything we're creating digitally is literally civilization assisted suicide like life, like life-assisted suicide. Now you're freaking me out. Because the Big Bang brings life in. It built everything. Yeah, without the Big Bang, what is it?

We're a little fucking itty-bitty marble that's infinitely dense. And maybe the 60s and 70s were the peak of human life civilization. And then now we're on the downward swing of like well now digital life is taking over machines are taking over and one day the machine is just gonna make the choice to unplug the whole shit that would be crazy i would watch that movie that would be a wild movie that would be crazy that'd be a wild and it's just cavort there's a cavortian computer at the end that's just like good night yeah what Yeah. What the fuck, man? What the fuck?

It could happen. Yeah. It could happen. I'm not really mad at it. It's kind of comedic. We can make something that pulls the plug on humanity for sure. Yeah. They could say, like, you guys can stay alive,

but you're the last ones. That would be the thing that they would do with us. They would sterilize us. That would be the thing to do. That would be the thing that they would do with us they would sterilize us that'd be the thing to do that'd be the moral easy thing to do yeah can you imagine the horror and feel that you would experience if robots were standing over you while you were on your deathbed and you knew you were the last human beings ever and you guys created these artificially intelligent super beings that are making better versions of themselves constantly yeah like the last human on earth around surrounded by machines it's like you're just followed all day long you're the last one and it's here's the thing about artificial intelligence this is one of the things that's most disturbing about things like chat gpt that it has very specific things

that it won't discuss or talk about it's not like it's a political it's very political like it has it's it leans towards certain political ideas it doesn't it's not looking at just information objectively. Like it has a, a very defined narrative for some people and some events and some things that you go, Ooh, this is like, who says this is true? Like who says that's what that means? Like you guys are saying that, like this is up for debate. Like there's a lot going on with this. Like it, it won't criticize certain people. you ask it to criticize certain people won't do it but if you ask it to criticize donald trump they'll they'll go ham you know it's crazy well this is joe biden and jeffrey epstein is that real though no no i made it oh you just made it i

was like jesus christ joe biden looks so fake you can make he kind of looks like bill clinton there almost yeah that looks like a fake joe biden if if i saw that jo. You can make weird pictures like that. He kind of looks like Bill Clinton there almost. Yeah, that looks like a fake Joe Biden. If I saw that Joe Biden, I'd be like, that one, that's a fake one. Here's Bill Clinton DJing. Oh, wow. That's amazing. That's a good set.

That's what he should be doing. Yeah. I just want to party. He should be partying. That's what Obama's doing, you know, like influencing. Yeah. Poor Bill. Obama's doing, you know, like influencing.

Yeah. Poor Bill. You can start making everything like that happen, exactly what you're saying, though. It's all going to be fake soon. It's all going to be fake, and the video's going to be fake, and the audio's going to be fake. It's going to be very difficult to discern.

It's going to be very, very, very, very strange very quickly. And we're going to get to a point where we have to wonder whether or not it's manipulating us in certain ways and if it is how long has this been going on like is it possible that ai has existed in a sentient but different form than chat gpt like some other form of ai has existed for a long time now and maybe maybe it has some sort of an effect on algorithms. Maybe it's gathering data on people, trying to figure out what are they interested in, why are they interested in these things,

and what's the best way to steer them in certain directions. It would be wild if we found it was around for a long time. We have had artificial intelligence for 10 years. Yeah, I just think artificial intelligence is the most like tragicomic thing I've ever seen. Because it's this gift that if we used it, it's literally like human life. And we're playing with it. This is like digital life, right? Yeah.

If you used it the right way, you could solve a lot of issues. Yeah. If you used it the right way, you could solve a lot of issues like, you know, AI could make things so much faster and more efficient and like probably solve help solve a lot of issues like poverty and hunger. Like, yeah, if you applied it to robots and machinery and then like we talked about way back in the day, like universal basic income shit. Right. But then what we're what we've humans, you've given it to us. And it's like a Monty Python movie where humans are just using it to distract each other and manipulate truth and reality. There's a lot of that, but it's also just interfacing with something that's very interactive and very addictive. And it's showing what we like to do is stare at ourselves, like vanity. Vanity. Stare at ourselves and stare at other people doing stupid stuff. Stare at people that you lust after. Stare at cars people doing stupid stuff. Stare at people that you lust after.

Stare at cars that you lust after. Stare at houses that you lust after. Stare at watches that you lust after. And diamonds and fucking views and selfies in front of the ocean. Like all that shit. It's gathering data on us. And if I was an alien life form and I wanted to really find out what people are made of, I was just gathering all this fucking cell phone data. I'd be like, oh, my God, they're crazy.

These people are crazy. Yeah. This is the wildest group of territorial primates armed to the tits, Whew. Involved in border conflicts. Whoa. Imagine if you came here from another planet. You're like, bro, this shit's about to get hot. Yeah. If you were an alien, you came here, you're like, what's going on over there?

What's going on over here? And these guys are involved and they're sending money over to this to make this go against that. But this is losing and this is winning. Oh, my God. They have nuclear weapons. Oh, my God. if you were from another planet you just came for a visit you'd be like holy shit yeah holy shit it's the it's the funniest shit i've ever seen like if you can just get your head 10 000 feet up you it goes back to our

conversation it's like wait maybe what we need is more fear and insecurity because it made people purposeful you know what i mean because you know if you don't have fear and insecurity or a need to survive or, say, a genuine curiosity, which is a hard place to get to, then what do you have? Vanity? Lust? Procrastination? I don't know. Yeah, that's what Sebastian Younger said, too. Peter Attia was on yesterday, and he was quoting Sebastian Younger said too. And he was, Peter Atiyah was on yesterday and he was quoting Sebastian Younger where I guess one of his books, he talks about this thing that men are having now. thing and it's never existed before and it gives us we lose a sense of purpose we we we fall apart

we develop uh anxiety many many people do i think because humans need like a certain amount of adversity keep your body balanced and your mind balanced and um in the ab it's one of the reasons why i love martial arts because in the absence of something horrible like war, martial arts at least gives you adversity on a daily basis. It gives you something to test your character on a daily basis, which I think like for men is almost like a built-in thing that we need. Yeah. It doesn't have to be jiu-jitsu. It could be many, many, many things. It could be marathon running and just swimming in the pool, swimming laps in the pool. Something that really tests your resolve.

Yeah. You know, and I think people need that. And I don't think we feel sane unless we get that. At least I know I don't. I don't feel good unless I get that. And I don't like the energy of people that give off when they're angry and they don't exercise. It's like this. It's like such a. It's's overflow it's jam coming out the

sides of the jar you know yeah i totally agree like sports exercise martial they're just so important because we used to be hunting animals you know like it's like a dog like you have to walk the dog yeah you got to walk the dog if you don't exercise if you don't exercise as a human you're just like you're not functioning the right way and you don't need to do anything robust or crazy just a good brisk walk do yoga stretch out a little it's so easy you can find youtube videos on how to do yoga set your phones phones down. Put a fucking YouTube video on. Just do the poses. Not that hard. Do something. It'll help you so much. And there's so many people that are just feeling like dog shit and they don't exercise. And I know it's hard to do,

but if you could just get going, it's not going to help everybody. I know there's people with real legitimate medical problems and mental health problems but for a lot of people it would improve you a lot of healthy people that are sedentary if you just do something i'm telling you if you could force yourself to work out today you'll feel better you will fucking feel better yeah and sports was always my favorite place to make friends because it's such a mirror for how that like we were talking about it before the show yeah yeah it's just like the way you train at the gym the way you play sports is such a true reflection of you that like it's the best look at how you would make a like friendship yeah you Yeah, watching someone fall apart when they just work out at the gym is very disappointing.

Like, come on, man. Yeah. I'm so tired. Or like, you know, I have a friend. He comes to train, but he won't spar. Oh, no. And I'm like, dude, come on, man. No, no, no, no, no, no.

It's just I'm like. Well, unless he doesn't want to get hit. Doesn't want to get hit. That's the thing. How old is he? Like early 30s. Is he doing it for fun or is he doing it for a workout? Does he never spar?

I think he was genuinely curious. He's like a physical therapist, doctor, good friend of mine. And he played very competitive football. And I don't know. I'm like, is it a lack of vulnerability? I don't know. Sparring's cool. Sparring is cool. But I wouldn't advise anybody who doesn't want to pursue a career in fighting,

I wouldn't advise you to spar. You should spar to learn how to fight. So this is contradictory, and I'm aware of it while I'm saying it. Because if you want to learn how to fight, you have to spar. Because you have to be able to time people. You have to understand that it's not a perfect scenario. You have to know how to set things up. There's a lot to it.

You've got to be able to respond quickly when you get hit. And you don't want to lock up. That only comes from sparring. You'll have to experience that from sparring. But on the other hand, you're getting hit in the head. Getting hit in the head is really fucking bad for you. And the more you cannot get hit in the head, the better. I agree.

The thing for me with it is if you're a fitness boxing person, totally don't spar. I get it. But if you want to learn the art of boxing. Yeah. And he genuinely wants to learn. And he comes and he trains with, like, the good trainers. And I'm like, yo, you're're only gonna understand so much without trying this and you just spar your trainer who you're not even going to be able to hit and he'll just tap you up a little bit because i think if

you want to understand it as a martial art quote unquote you gotta you gotta see a few at least medium live bullets yeah i think medium live is a good way to put it. But you don't want to go full clip. No. The best work that you ever get sparring. I remember when I first came to L.A., I started training with this one dude. God, I wish I could remember his name. It was either Bill or Will.

It was like 1994. And we trained together until the gym went down. And he was one of those guys that would say, hey, if you don't hit me hard, I won't hit you hard. So let's just like spar, like spar technical. And he'll go, I'll never hit you hard. Don't hit me hard. And we had this total, complete, perfect agreement where like if he would hit you, it would be like this. It would be like nothing.

But you got loose doing that. Yeah. So because there was less consequences, I wasn't worried about getting brain damage and sparring. would hit you it would be like this it would be like nothing but you got loose doing that yeah so because there was less consequences i wasn't worried about getting brain damage and sparring if he hit me he hit me like this it was nothing and so i had great sessions with this dude and i remember thinking afterwards like i learned more about timing in my sessions with that guy than i probably did sparring anybody that i've ever sparred with ever because we made it so you're learning. You're learning the motions

and then you occasionally spar hard. Occasionally. But sparring hard every day, the problem is it fucks your head up, man. It's dangerous. The people I like sparring with are the ones that are much better than me, pros who have no fear of what's coming at them.

I'm not even going to really touch them. And they'll be nice to you. Yeah, and those are the best sessions because I'm like, oh, that's how hard it is to hit somebody that's good at this. When I spar someone near or at my level, that's when it's a war that's unnecessary unnecessary and like my neck hurts right that's the same in jujitsu the thing about jujitsu is you're not taking punches you know you already know how to box but learning jujitsu would probably be fun for you too it's what the what the difference is is that you know like if you roll with a guy like say if you um wanted to learn jujitsu and you rolled with a guy like john jock machado it's like a perfect guy for you to roll with a guy, like say if you wanted to learn jiu-jitsu and you rolled with a guy like John Jock Machado.

It's like a perfect guy for you to roll with because you're never going to get hurt with that guy. He's going to be in complete control of you and put you in situations and tell you what to do and tell you how to escape. But he's in 100% control of the situation. Way more that than a guy like you who's starting out who spazzes out. Yeah. Those guys are dangerous. I'm fucking just trying to get you, you son of a... Yeah.

And they go crazy, and they're so tense. Like, sometimes they fall on their knees, they blow their ankles out, they fucking strain your neck, they dive on you. Like, they go for things. And it's because they're trying to get better. It's not their fault.

But you're way better off being with a black belt who's, like, in complete control of the situation. You're not going to get hurt. And he even can talk to you along the way. Yeah. It's nice when there's a pro. And now I'm like, oh, this is why women date older men. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. You know? It's like with everything in life, right? Yeah. When my homies are jujitsu rolling with each other that one's like oh fucking he fucking strained my ankle like my knees all fucked up from that time i rolled with him and i'm like you shouldn't roll with people at your level well even if you roll the thing is there's no safe way

to do jujitsu you can flow in jujitsu the same way I said that dude Will or Bill, I forget his name. Sorry, Will or Bill from 1994. But the same way I sparred with that dude with kickboxing, you could spar with someone like that with jiu-jitsu. You just have to have partners that you trust. And so Marcelo Garcia talked about that a lot. He was saying that in training you have to be able to be loose and open your game up. And the Gracies talk about that too. Henner, he's always talking about keeping it playful.

And Huron, they talk about it like that. That's the way to learn. The way to learn is have sort of a relaxed game where you're not just fucking trying to smash. You're just going through positions and counters and you're moving to better positions and escaping the counter and transitioning to the back and you're doing all these different things,

but you're flowing, right? You're not just trying to kill each other all the time it's just the human ego and also the sense of danger because it's not just like you're losing playing basketball you're losing playing kill you you know where that's what we're playing yeah I kill you if a guy like John jock Machado gets your back and he's you're dead you're a dead person he's gonna strangled to death he. He's got you. So that's the game that he's playing. And that game is just the closest that gets you to a survival thing in civilized society.

Jiu-Jitsu is the closest thing you get to a survival fight in civilized society. And people don't like having- Other than a real one. Yeah, no. Other than a survival fight in civilized society and people don't like other than a real one yeah no and people don't like having that sense of confidence shattered oh my god that's why they go hard it's destroyed i was watching a video um just yesterday of bourdain uh he's doing this interview and he was talking about how uh he had just gotten there right from jujitsu to do the interview. He was talking about how humiliating it is and how fun it is that he picked up this thing that he would have never tried before. He had 58 years of age

and he was talking about it as it was happening. It was really interesting. It never worked out. It never was a gym rat. Never would have thought I'd been into this. And then here I am, fucking completely in love with it yeah his curiosity for two was like really out of nowhere but it made total sense when you knew him you know like it's like oh he would love something that intense yeah he likes intensity also just the courage to change your lifestyle like he

smoked cigarettes and drank constantly and just hit the brakes on all that shit. And all of a sudden he had a six pack. Yeah. You ever see that video of him walking with his shirt off? I've even seen the videos of him rolling. And it's like, you know, a lot of dudes that had to get, like, well, he wasn't sober, but getting sober, they replaced the drugs with the jujitsu a lot of times.

Because like you said, there's very few things that get you into that survival zone. Yeah. That like sometimes drugs do. Bring it to your knees. Like jiu-jitsu can replace some of that shit. Or boxing or whatever martial art. Yeah, no doubt. It's just that jiu-jitsu is a little safer.

It's safer on the brain. There's Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, there's a tournament. He competed in a tournament and won. safer. It's safer on the brain. There's Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah, there's a tournament. He competed in a tournament and won. Yeah. It was a good match, too. It was, you know, it's one of those things where, you know. This was the best.

To take it on at 58 years old is just an inspiration for everybody because it lets people know, like, you can do things when there's no, like, good time. Just do it now. Do it now. It's good to become a beginner at stuff. It's fun. He became an athlete in his 60s this wild. Amazing.

Looks ripped. Yeah. Where was all that? Imagine when he was 25 if he figured it out. It would have been a killer. But a lot of jujitsu guys are like him. They're really smart, thoughtful people. The whole thing is very misunderstood.'s very misunderstood like what it is yeah i think people are coming around

though it's definitely an art form like extreme intel it's the illest combination of like intelligence emotionally and in a skill and like survival you know why it's an art form it's an art form because the people who uh practice it when they watch someone like you ever see marcelo garcia yeah marcelo garcia versus uh shaolin i was there for that live in abu dhabi or excuse me in um brazil it was in uh sao paulo it was uh when eddie bravo had that match with hoyla gracie and tapped him out on there And it was the first time that we had ever seen Marcelo Garcia. And we were like, holy shit, man. Like this guy, he tapped out this guy, Victor Shaolin,

who's like a top-level Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, with the sickest back take I've ever seen in my life, this rolling back take that leads to him strangling Shaolin unconscious. It's to this day one of the wildest transitions in the history we're gonna show it to you right now yeah fun that shit because it's um what it is it's like it's like jiu-jitsu and it's like highest level in one of the most basic moves which is arm drag take the back rear naked choke it's it's so beautiful watch is arm drag, take the back, rear naked choke.

It's so beautiful. Watch that. Arm drag, take the back. Look at this. Now watch the spin, man. I mean, they just keep rolling, and he's got it under, and he just won't let him out. He won't let him out. Shaolin is a fucking master, dude.

The fact that he just puts him unconscious like this is insane. And this was his first year competing in Abu Dhabi like look at that man and again Marcelo like super kind really friendly like really happy smiley guy who just happens to be a straight-up assassin yeah all the best jiu-jitsu dudes I've watched they're just just like this. It's just man as a virus. Yeah. It just gets in you. Yeah. I mean, Marcelo was incredible. I even saw him later. They had an Abu Dhabi, I think it was 2015 maybe, somewhere.

I forget what the year was, but he – no, it was earlier than that. He tapped out Rico Rodriguez. He used to be the UFC heavyweight champion. And Marcelo's a tiny guy. And they had a jiu-jitsu match. And he caught Rico in a heel hook or some sort of a leg lock, if I remember correctly. But he's a tiny guy in comparison to Rico. Rico's this fucking huge former heavyweight champion.

That's how good that dude was. I have huge gaps in my ufc because i watched the tank abbott years like when i was in high school we would like get the tapes oh my god and like early gracie but then i kind of didn't watch again until like maybe 2015 i was like a gap from 98 99 to 2015 that's interesting you you were there for the fun days though that was when it was a wild thing that's like you couldn't even talk to people about. No, it was like having the UFC like one through eight or having like the kids VHS was like collateral back in the day. Yeah.

Like we'd all go to each other's house and be like, oh, you got the fucking UFC fucking tape. It's a status symbol. It's like shitting in a bucket in Dubai. Yeah. You can get that lady to shit in that bucket. Yeah. Like, yes, here's your money money and i remember because i was ignorant my favorite guy was just tank abbott early on oh tank abbott was a man he was the man tank abbott has still

see uh tank abbott versus john matua this was like one of the most root when when i saw this on television i was like oh, oh, my God. Like, I thought, I didn't think about this aspect of fighting, that you're going to get this dude who's just like an old-time wrestler, power puncher, loves to drink and loves to fuck people up. And he's like, you know, probably close to 300 pounds, strong as a fucking ox, and he's mean and funny, man. He's a funny dude, man.

I got drunk with that guy many times back in the day when we all did shows together. Oh, this was a good fight. I remember this. We had this tape. Yeah. This is a good fucking fight. This was one of the best knockouts in the early days of the UFC. Scooter had there to the actual fight.

That's Michael Buffer, not even Bruce Buffer, interviewing the fighters or announcing the fighters. How crazy is that? So here it is. So the fight was very quick. Oh. Yup. This is that Tank Abbott era. I was like, he was my favorite.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yup This is that Tank Abbott air I was like he was my favorite Boom Oh Oh Oh Oh Like look at that KO Cause he was just like Bar fighting

Looks like he got electrocuted Look at that KO Yeah So that was the first time I'd ever seen that That was the first dab That's the original dab The original dab

That's the first time I've ever I ever saw that In the UFC Like the way he did it i was like oh i was like that guy's fucking dangerous and he just reminds you of your homie from high school like that could just fucking fight there's always guys like that yeah there's always people like no no no the martial artists or whatever listen there's always

dudes who can just fight if they're big and they take a punch and if they're like this guy, especially if they like to drink. Yeah, and there was a dude in my high school who was a year younger than me named Dax, just built like that. He'd just fucking fight, and there's a dude named Tony Dahoney who could fight. Those guys existed in the ale taverns that the Vikings visited fucking a thousand years ago. They were always doing that. Those are my favorite fighters. Look at him. He's making fun of the dude in his alcohol. That guy's a savage. Those are my favorite fighters. Look at him. He's making fun of Doom. He's out cold.

That guy's a savage. And he fought some of the legends. Legends of the game. Tank fought them all. Yeah, and he had no grappling. Oh, he had no grappling. You think so? 100%. He could wrestle. Yes, absolutely. He could wrestle. Yeah. He just wanted to fuck people up. Most of the time he was just

fucking people up. He wasn't a guy that would shoot on anybody. Yeah. But he knew how to grapple. grapple okay he had a wrestling background but uh his power punching was fucking ridiculous man he would flatline people yeah because i only saw him just like punching and striking dude tank abbott had some hammers yeah whoo those early days were so nuts because it's it was really like a laboratory for martial arts. And I couldn't, we were all just kids like, I can't believe this is legal. This is fucking sick. It was wild. Because people

in boxing were never getting fucked up like that. Not like that, no. Not KO'd when they're already down. That was nuts. When he leaped down on him, boom, and smashed him like that. It's like, holy fuck. Yeah, there was some brutal knockouts in the mismatches of those days because there were certain people that were just so good

and other people that just didn't know what to do with what they were doing. You know, like the Marco Huas days. You remember that guy? No. King of the streets, Marco Huas. Marco Huas was like the first guy that showed the real benefit of being a good leg kicker. Like Marco was one of the first guys to show that. Maury Smith was another one.

Maury Smith actually against Tank Abbott was like a great example. Because Tank Abbott was so fucking dangerous, but Maury Smith was a world champion kickboxer. And he just fucked Tank's legs up. Yeah, I didn't see that fight. I love the early UFC. Maury Smith versus Tank Abbott. This is a good one. Because Maury Smith was the first world-class kickboxer

that learned how to grapple and how to get up and how to defend off the back. He won the heavyweight champion against Mark Coleman. He became the heavyweight champion in an amazing fight. Huge underdog coming into that fight. Just kicked Mark's legs apart.

Fuck. So you watched from the first one all the way until now. Yeah. Well, the first one I saw was actually the second one. It was UFC 2 because that was the one that was available. I think he's already hurt. Yeah. No, he was hurt.

But Maurice was a vicious leg kicker. I mean, fucking vicious. And he was a guy who trained a lot with frank shamrock look at that boom yeah he's already really hurt right here the thing is like you can't stop maurice from kicking your leg you can't stop it and you you're you're just gonna get battered and look big john's like that's enough that's enough but maurice man his level of kickboxing was the first time that the heavyweight division ever saw that kind of kickboxing from an MMA fight. There's Marco Luas.

Yeah, the early ones were cool because they felt like Street Fighter. People had such different styles and people were inventing techniques. So Marco was just chewing this dude's leg up and he doesn't know how to block. He doesn't know what to do. And now he's all fucked up. His leg's not working well. So now he's trying to kick Marco back. This is Paul Varlins.

And this is when people all look different. Like Marco looks like Rick the Model Martel. He's like WWF. He's a perfect specimen of manhood. Look at him. Marco Huas was a perfect specimen of manhood at this time. Look at him. Beautiful physique and vicious leg kicks.

And Paul Varlins just couldn't take it after a while. Look at his left leg. It's just battered and bruised. And Marco would just wait, and then if he went right leg forward, he'd attack that leg too. So he's just fucking his leg up over and over again. And Varlins was 300 pounds, man. So he invented this in UFC?

No, no, no, no, no, no. He most certainly didn't invent it. From kickboxing? It's Muay Thai. But Marco was a Vale Tudo fighter. So he was a guy from Brazil. And Vale Tudo is, I think it means anything goes. And those guys all fought bare knuckle and they all fought in speedos just like that.

The manliest men that have ever existed. Wow. fought in Speedos, just like that. The manliest men that have ever existed. Wow. Brazilian MMA champions that came over during those days, like Marco. Marco's like the manliest man that's ever existed. I like the old logo, too.

The old logo's so fire. Oh, it was dope, right? Yeah. It feels like some Enter the Dragon shit, like the ultimate fighting championship. Yeah. Yeah, Marco Ruas was a legend. He used to teach in Beverly Hills too. No way.

He used to teach at Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, during those days. You ever train with him? No, I did not. No, but I went down there once because Boss Rutan was doing something. And it was pretty cool. They developed, I don't know if it's still around anymore, but they developed like a real highlevel in the early days of MMA.

A high-level camp down there. Pedro Izzo was working out there and Boss Rutten and a bunch of other really top-level guys. And it was in Beverly Hills. It was pretty cool. No, I'm going to go home and watch the old tapes because I used to love them, man. Well, the thing about the UFC that's really weird is that it's the only sport in our lifetime that's gotten way better. Like the athletes of today, the fighters of today in comparison to some of the people that fought in the very early days of the UFC, there's no comparison. Whereas if you compared football, you're a football fan, right?

How much different are people from the year 2005 to the year 2023? They're not at the level of UFC. Like they're faster. They're stronger. Is it like slight improvements? It's slight and gradual and you can see it, right? And like basketball too. Like Steph Curry I think is the evolution of like the superstar basketball player.

Like he can do shit nobody else could do before. So, but then even in basketball, people are like, Jordan's the best ever. So UFC, you have dudes every year that are just like, it just keeps getting better and better.

It's crazy. I've never seen a sport like it where the people that are the best right now, they're so much better than like 1993. Like if you watch these early days, the guys wearing geese and they don't know what they're doing. They're wearing shoes, no shoes, bare knuckle. Yeah.

Maybe wear like knuckle covers. Yeah, because through the span of the sport, people started to see a consensus develop of like that works, that doesn't work. And like in the beginning, people, you know, you have people you know you have your beliefs you have your opinions but by the end it's like the consensus usually wins out yeah the consensus usually wins out yeah it's just like you you find out what's effective with

different styles and you realize like one style is totally effective if you do this but totally ineffective if you do that yeah and then people figure that out. They start kicking calves. They start taking people down. They start making them stand up. There's so many different things that you learn through the progression of these guys and trying to figure out what's, and girls, trying to figure out what works and what doesn't work. Yeah. And then the new people get to learn all that stuff in advance.

So the new people, like these new 17 and 18-year-olds, they're terrifying. Yeah. Because they're coming in like full ninja skills on the ground, like wicked kickboxing skills standing up. They can do everything.

Yeah, it's beautiful to watch like truth or like just the consensus went out in a microcosm like the UFC. And I just wish that like our greater life could be like that.

Because you see certain things went out, but then we can never agree. It's like, they won, right? No, no, no, no, no, they didn't. No, no, no, no, it didn't happen. Somebody wrote, was it Bill Maher? Maybe it was Bill Maher. Someone was talking about how sports is our last meritocracy. I saw it was the cover of an article or something like that.

I would agree. Or the title of a video perhaps I remember seeing it and going well there's certain sports where there's no room for bullshit and fighting is 100% one of them there's no room for bullshit it's like it is what it is yeah like the books like Field of Dreams, Shoeless Joe Jackson

they kind of present the case that like sports is the last or only meritocracy where like there are rules and boundaries and like truths shake out you shake the dice enough the truth it'll be there every time yeah and um if you're all competing within a certain rule set and parameters you really get to find out everything how what whose mind works better whose body works better, who's faster, who's meaner, who's this, who's that, who's more creative, who's more...

And they all express themselves through this game. Yeah. It's so important. Yeah, I think you would like this book called Shoeless Joe Jackson and it became Field of Dreams, but the book is really about the White Sox cheating scandal. Oh, right. And why this fictional character takes it so hard

because it's like sports is the last bastion where truth shakes out. So when you have cheating in sports, it's like the greatest lie to this guy. Right, right. It's dope. It could apply to the UFC, you know. That is true, right?

Like cheating to win in sports. But then this, if you ain't cheating you ain't trying like literally living in the great depression yeah the fuck are you talking about bro yeah man chomping on a cigar you ain't cheating ain't trying kid fucking fucking canelo man i don't know if he's cheating what do you mean i feel like canelo juices but i'm a triple g fan so i'm a i, so I'm going to say that ahead of time. I just like Triple G. There's a lot of money on the line, and if I could get away with it, I would do it as well.

Some tainted beefs. I think, well, he definitely got busted once for something. But it could have been from tainted beef. We don't know. But it also could be that we should probably leave them the fuck alone and let them do whatever they want to do do you want to see Manny Pacquiao fight or not I want to see him juiced up fighting at 45

years of age coming in with a full six pack lighting people on fire why not let him juice if he doesn't you can't decide what he can and can't do we got science on our side I agree I'm just a Canelo And you can't decide what you can and can't do. Let them have fun. We got science on our side.

I agree. I'm just a Canelo hater because I'm a Triple G fan. But I agree. It's like steroids don't make you a better boxer. They definitely help. They help. They help. They help a lot.

They help. They help a lot, which is why they're illegal. But I think that we should probably revisit that when it comes to older athletes for sure. Because do you want to see, like, people compete into their old, if they want to? You know, especially in some sports where, you know, they're not getting hit, you know? Yeah. I mean, I think, I don't know what kind of testing they do for the NBA, but I would imagine that in order to compete at the highest level, what does it say?

A report, Major League Baseball stops testing for steroids after drug agreement with players expires. Good move. They want to put on a show. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Let's go back to knocking them into the fucking parking lot. Put on a show. I would think that if you wanted your body to work at its best, you would want to have

at your access, you would want to have at your access. You would want to have access to all the best methods for recovery, for optimization, for healing, for dealing with injuries. There's a lot of stuff, man. And a lot of it is illegal. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they don't even test anymore. It's not good for the game. Well, I like that basketball, they won't test for marijuana because so many of those dudes play high.

Is that true, Jamie? That's not just a rumor, is it? During the pandemic, when the bubble started, they were like, all right, fuck this rule. Yeah. Go ahead, bring your weed. The thing about weed and anything that's feel is that it accentuates your feel. Like you feel more, if that makes any sense at all. Like when you work out on jiu-jitsu, like if you do jiu-jitsu while you're high,

it feels like you're more focused. Like the world doesn't exist. You're just trying to not get choked or trying to move into a better position. You're completely locked into this thing It's very very common that guys get high and do jiu-jitsu. In fact, there's like a Brazilian jiu-jitsu championship High rollers where they all get high as fuck and then they go I gotta see this shit. Oh my god We'll play it for ya play it for him. That's a good name. It's my friend Matt's actually I think he sold it But the point is it's like it's a good name it's my friend matt's actually i think he sold it but the point is it's like uh it's a great connection that marijuana and jujitsu has always had because

jujitsu kind of operates a lot on feel obviously there's some people that don't agree with this there's a lot of people that think drugs are bad and a lot of people think that jujitsu is for you know children love jujitsu too we shouldn't introduce them to this and you're right you shouldn't do it if you're a kid you shouldn't do it if you're a kid. You shouldn't do it until you're an adult. But once you're an adult... Kids don't do drugs. Once you're an adult, it's the best one. Out of all of them. And it's really good for certain sports.

It's great for, apparently, basketball, but it's great for pool. When you play pool when you're high, you can feel where that ball's going. It's weird. You get into a zone. It's very interesting because you get into what they call, there's a thing about pool called dead stroke.

That's when you play, like you know exactly where the ball's going. You make it. It feels like you can get more to that with weed. Yo, this is incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. So they have these jujitsu matches while they're baked as fuck. It's incredible. Yeah. So they have these jiu-jitsu matches.

Wild. They're baked as fuck. It's really wild. And the whole crowd gets to watch them. That's Matt. He's the guy who created it. And these are like fucking cool crowds. Nick Diaz is there.

The weed makes sense. Now imagine if they were smoking meth. That would be crazy. That would be crazy oh my god the fucking glass rollers i've i've never done any kind of like real amphetamine but i'm very curious i'm very curious when i talk to people who like adderall yeah yeah they're always telling you dude it's amazing's amazing. Adderall, I mean, yeah. Seems dangerous. Adderall definitely helps. Seems dangerous.

It is dangerous. I can't imagine giving it to a kid because they prescribe it to children with ADD. But I definitely remember I took that. So when I was a kid, I got taken out of school. I was having like issues. I was saying funny stuff in class. They took me to a therapist and they gave me a gifted test because she's like, I think you might be like high IQ, whatever. You're just doing weird stuff in school.

I failed the test, the time test. And she's like, that doesn't make sense. You have like better cognitive ability than that. Let me let me give you an untimed test. And I did the untimed test and I scored off the charts. And she's like, you have issues with attention and time. And I think she recommended that I was on medicine, but my mom was a very like anti-medicine person. But when I went to go take the LSAT.

Just pause for a second. Yeah. But when I went to go take the LSAT. Just pause for a second. Yeah. Imagine a world where someone tells you, hey, man, you scored off the charts. You need to get on medicine. Yeah.

How crazy is that? How crazy is the idea that you are not at a certain pace, like that anyone would consider medicating you? Yeah, I never thought of that. Like that anyone would consider medicating you. Yeah, I never thought of that. If you're scoring off the charts and they go, oh, you have problems with time and attention. And constraints, like social constraints, like boundaries. Well, not just boundaries, but it seems like what they're saying is if they're saying you have problems with time and attention, they want you to be a more studious worker. They want you to focus more. Yeah.

And so they're going to give you some fucking speed. Yeah. They're going to give you something that really locks you in. Yeah. But meanwhile, you scored off the charts. Like, you're just a laid back, off the charts dude. Yeah. Isn't that okay?

And it's like, it's better for multiple choice. Like, as a lemming. You just nailed it. Imagine being a mother. You know, like, my child is med choice. Like as a lemming. You just nailed it. Imagine being a mother. You know, like my child is medicated. Why is your child medicated? Well, he's too fucking smart. Scored off the charts.

So they gave him speed. Now he just makes weapons. She tried to frame it as the doctor. I remember it being like, oh, he needs help with time and rules. Bro, they were going to hook you up with the good shit. Yeah. Thank God my mom, though, stepped in. Yeah, thank God your mom stepped in.

Yeah. But then to do, like, regular social shit, it helps. Like, an LSAT, like a standardized test, I scored significantly higher taking Adderall. I could imagine. I'm terrified of that shit. I haven't tried it, but I want to. But I won't. But I don't.

Yeah. Because I'm like tried it, but I want to, but I won't, but I don't. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh no. Because someone is describing ADD or ADHD. They're just describing like what happens to them. Like they really can't focus on things. And then when they take Adderall, they focus and it helps. But is that a diagnosis? Like the idea that there's like when we're talking about what drugs are legal and illegal, like that's a real drug. That's a real one. Yeah. Right.

That's a real one. I'm not against it, but I'm just flabbergasted at the ones that people without question allow, but the ones they don't allow. Yeah. So the thing for me, this is my feeling about like cognitive disorders like adhd things like you know of that nature not not too serious but for every something like adhd that has a negative i did see a positive creatively like there are days where we were doing overnight shoots on the movie boogie right and i have really i had trouble staying up on the overnight shoots so i was i was popping ads when we flipped to the

overnights the first like three to five days i will tell you it i was much more of a soldier much more like buy the book do this but when i went I went back, I was like, I was overly positive about a few of those scenes. Oh. Like, I think. You know what it's like? Showgirls. Showgirls is a cocaine movie. Yeah, the one with the girl from Saved by the Bell.

I don't know. Yeah. If they're doing cocaine when they were making Showgirls. Yeah. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying, like, if you were going to make a movie on coke and you thought it was good and everybody else was like, what the fuck? Yeah. That would be Showgirls.

Yeah. Not saying they were on coke, but I am saying it seems like a movie made by people who are on coke. Yo, definitely. I look and I'm like, hmm, tone is a little different. And I'm not the first director. I'm not, like, fucking stabbing myself harakiri here. You know what I mean? Like I think a lot of directors, they smoke weed or they do whatever.

Like on overnights I took a few ads. But like, you know. Does it make you just have a distorted perception of how good the work is? I felt it was slightly more positive than I normally am. And at first I thought it was a benefit to be like, I'm more positive because people around me are always like you don't be like take it easy relax but I felt I was like I wasn't as critical as I usually was and I I missed the critical lens I think as a director you gotta be you got to stay critical yeah that's that's the beauty of the marijuana mindset right

because you do get sort of self-critical and critical about your work in a more objective way you start looking at things and looking at cracks in it and holes yeah everything's a balance but that's what i mean to say with the adhd i was like for everything you say is negative about this there's a positive like and taking the medicine there's a negative and a positive but me personally i don't want to make art on adderall you know like i probably wouldn't do you have any concern that um with what's going on with ai that it's gonna completely take the legs out from a lot of artists like if you think about what they're doing with ai with

the ability to write things, it can write stories. You could ask it to write a story for you. It can do code. You can make it have fake images of things that have never really happened and they're kind of realistic. Did you see the Megalodon one that I posted? The CGI one?

That was wild. Put that up because let's credit that dude, whoever makes it, because this is insane. I don't know how the fuck this guy does this. But there's a guy, whatever his Instagram page is, I reposted it yesterday. He did a CGI of a Megalodon attacking a boat and then fucking up a helicopter. It's so crazy how real it looks. Look how goddamn, give me some volume on that so we can hear it. Because he's got sound effects in it looks. Look how goddamn... Give me some volume on that so we could hear it.

Because he's got sound effects in it too. Yeah, this is crazy. This is nuts, man. Look at this. It's getting really close to looking real. You can still tell it's AI, but it's getting close. Yeah, it's getting very close. Look at this. I mean, bro. Yeah.

If this was a scene in a movie, you'd be like, holy shit. It's close to movie quality. This looks like the Meg. Yeah. It's very close. I'm personally. That's amazing. Yeah.

It's fucking amazing. That's computer generated. It's nuts. It is. The AI. amazing yeah it's fucking amazing that's computer generated it's nuts it is the ai i'm not threatened by it but i feel like certain people if you're like an assignment writer or an assignment director or special effects guy maybe i feel like the really good special effects people are not worried but like you know i think they should be worried the thing that ai can't replicate is not your actual physical voice sonically but you're like the just yeah way your brain is going to move and the choices you're going to make your actual literary voice i don't i don't think the machine

can replicate that but what if it can if If it can. Here's the thing. It's like what if this thing that we think is unique is really just like patterns and we could accurately predict those patterns if we have a certain amount of your life history. We can keep it within a certain range. You know? Like what if you came home one day and your wife replaced you with a robot that looks exactly like you but it's programmed perfectly? Do you know how weird that would be? It wouldn't happen to you but imagine being like some douchebag banker guy. And you come home and your wife goes, come on in.

There's someone I want you to meet. And she shuts the door and then you come from around the corner staring at you. And she's like, I am tired of your bullshit. And I can just keep you around without having you around. And he'll do whatever the fuck I say. It's a horror movie. So I think it is a horror movie, but it's also a double-edged sword. Like with everything we're talking about today is I think if it actually happened,

I would be pretty pissed if there was a robot fucking my wife i would be pissed bro but well he's you but he's he's never gets tired he doesn't even eat food here's the thing i think about with like people is i think the most distinctive specific thing that makes us who we are is your actual human spirit. Now, for the AI to replicate that, that would mean that your human spirit has a signature and a code that can actually be codified. That's what we're asking. spirit be codified? Or is it actually random and organic and unpredictable in this way that we've been thought to believe like existentially? So if the AI can replicate the human spirit, and if the human spirit can be codified, there is a silver lining in it for me personally,

where I'm like, oh, then I'm not distinct. And there not like a destiny and I can just enjoy my life until I die because there's nothing unique about me. some sort of a computer program. It seems preposterous, but the whole world should be preposterous to you. It should seem crazy that we're on the brink of nuclear war. It should seem crazy that we're counting down the days till the iPhone 15 comes out, super excited about its launch. Like, what are we doing? All of it's crazy.

Yeah, if each individual person could be codified into a QR code of your human spirit, when we're asleep in one night a computer could simulate 3 000 years of human civilization easily it could literally do that because it would probably create a better computer that has even more capacity and more capability and then if it did that then what's not to say like it can manipulate time and space now that's the next can you manipulate time and space? Now, that's the next, can you manipulate time and space? Of course you can. You just have to figure out how.

And we're not close to that yet. But if we're close to making something that figures it out, that makes more sense. Right now we're manipulating existence. Yeah. So then the question is, can existence be boiled down to a code? I think that's the question of this era this generation right now and also the ability to travel to anywhere the ability to rewrite your genetics to reverse aging stop it dead in its tracks cure diseases regrow limbs i mean they're

they're on the verge of some pretty wild physical discoveries too yeah there's a lot of stuff that's happening simultaneously like all over the world. And then on top of that, AI is emerging. And the people I mean, I don't know enough about this to really comment without just being silly, but the people that don't know what's going to happen

who are educated in it, they're scaring the shit out of me. The people that don't know. The people like... happen, who are educated in it, they're scaring the shit out of me. The people that don't know, the people like... See, why are you scared? And not to be like, why are you scared? I don't want to say it like that. Say it. No, for me, the thing... Because I'm a bitch, Andy.

No, man, no. It's not like that. I meant it this way in that existentially, like, if we're meaningless, like, I think the way that people have organized society and tribalism culture everything is to say there is a meaning to life like it's in your best interest to assume that there is a meaning to your life to sure to not assume that would be like oh that could be sad

but if your life actually doesn't have meaning maybe it's even more fun. Yeah. Who knows? There's a possibility to that. And there's also there's the inevitable. Like whether you freak out or not, this stuff is moving in a very specific direction. It's not moving in a place where it's going to slow down and go back to the Stone Age. The only thing that's going to happen if that happens, we're either going to blow ourselves up or we're going to get hit by something or there's going to be a super volcano. One of those things or something else, some other natural disaster, something big. That's the only way we get out of this without becoming bionic. The only way we get out of this without becoming cyborgs or without it taking over the world it's like that's where it's going if i had to bet on it

like what happens at the end i think we're gonna realize that like the final hour that there is meaning to life that like you know there was something to accomplish and there was something to do but we were too late because i do feel in my at least my body and my emotions that life is consistently bittersweet. Like I always, that's usually the feeling I take away from experiences. I'm like, it's bittersweet. There's pleasure and pain. There's agony and ecstasy.

And I think as a civilization, at the very end, we'll probably realize there was a lot of meaning that we didn't pay enough attention to. Perhaps. Perhaps. I think that search for meaning also propels us in a very specific direction in all the things that we're interested in, whether it's acquiring new things, whether it's electronics, technology, the Internet, exchange of information, it's all powered by technology, all of it.

And the technology is what we really make everything else is sort of like this motivating factor this this engine that creates revenue that makes the technology get born like that's what the fuck is really going on we're making ultimate tech and the ultimate ultimate technology is artificial life yeah because i do feel there's even less time in this specific generation of the last five or six years devoted to meaning yeah it's just how do we move forward how do we legislate how do we create boundaries and rules and safe spaces which is like this is all important stuff we're doing yeah but it's like what happened to the discussion of meaning and like when you

were a kid did you have hope or like even let's say your 20s and they did you have hope for people in civilization when i was in my 20s i barely thought about it because all i was thinking about was trying to make it as a comedian and i was poor and i was just trying to fucking do gigs and i was so self-centered in in the worst way in that like i didn't know what was going on in the world. I didn't know shit about politics. Like, it would have to be, like, on the news, in my face, oh, my God, we're at war. That's what it would have to be in my 20s.

And it wasn't until, I mean, I started reading some books that got me into, like, the Kennedy assassination. that got me into the Kennedy assassination. I started reading some books that got me thinking about Operation, like the MK Ultra shit, the things that they did with people with the LSD tests. I was like, what the fuck is our history? And I started getting into it then. But when I was a young kid, I can't imagine these kids I can't imagine these kids that are like politically active, that are like 17, 18 years old. Like I didn't know jack shit about what was going on in the world in terms of politics.

See, I was one of those funny kids that read the newspaper and cared and then just like skipped school and got high and was like, fuck this shit. Like I had opinions and I had hope. But now I feel the last few few years especially watching the pandemic from afar and watching everything happening I was just like I don't know if people are able to discern truth from fake anymore no I don't know either and then it's really hard it yeah and that's where I started to lose hope because I was like wow wow, things really seem clear to me. And a certain, you know, like it seems like pretty clear what's going on. But there's a lot of argument about things that don't feel like we're grappling with actual truth and facts.

And that's when I started to lose hope. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what the direction is. I think it always moves in a better direction, but it doesn't do it linearly. It doesn't do it clean. There's like a lot of chaos going on. It's sort of like, it's like the climate. There's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of peaks and valleys with human growth. I think we're ultimately always moving towards a better place, but sometimes there's corrections that have to happen and we have to figure out what we're doing. And I think that as a group collectively, the biggest fear that I have is that we just get swallowed up by something that we create.

That's the thing. I mean, I feel like maybe it's inevitable. Maybe that's just what we're here for anyway. But I feel like that's what, oddly enough, that's what Ted Kaczynski believed. That's what the fucking Unabomber believed. He believed that technology was going to kill the human race. Well, it makes sense as an aspect of like the feeling that we're our own worst enemy. And I wouldn't disagree with you. Well, we definitely are. Right. Because if we stopped all war right now, just no one ever killed anyone ever again. Just stop and everybody work together.

The only reason that's not possible is because of world leaders. If it was just individual human beings that live together in cities, there's very rarely are there intra-city wars, right? There's not even interstate wars anymore. We only tried that once. Most of the time, it's someone over there and someone over there why why is that because of world leaders? It's all because of world leaders inequality gaps because there's someone who can send someone else to fight for them It'll happen. Yes, and they provide them with free college Eddie Yeah, and then and then there's drone attacks I mean the fact that you could just fucking fly robots into another country and launch missiles like

All of it. It's wild. It into another country and launch missiles, like all of it's wild. It's all wild and scary. And it's all being done without. We're not there. Right. We don't know those people. And they're in charge of our existence. They're at the forefront of the most dangerous game in human existence.

They're the forefront of global thermonuclear war. And that's the issue with everything is the idea of by proxy. Yeah. Right? And like I love watching like Yakuza films, like proxy wars. Everything happens. War. Yakuza proxy wars.

It's because somebody, there's an inequality gap between two classes of people. And when you have someone that has so much to gain by sending someone in they do not give a fuck about to fight their war by proxy, they're going to do it. And like let's take it out of war in the Yakuza so you can see it in like everyday life. Restaurants. If it's the chef and he's there and he's working like I was early days at Bauhaus, that's going to be the best version of it. Now, if I take it out of there

and I go teach someone who teaches someone to teach someone, inevitably, it's not going to be as good. It's not going to be as good. And like if someone offers me that deal, I'll probably still take it if like I feel like there's a level of quality it can maintain and stay at but the fact of the matter is anything by proxy is gonna be shittier and there's gonna

be injustice it's yeah writing a show all these guys they put their names on a show they're not actually writing it then they have the little homie write it it's not very rarely do you accidentally hit on a little homie who's as good or better than you. Well, you occasionally do. But the point is, like, it's a hustle. It's a money hustle at that point. It's not really like a passion project. And it's feudalism.

Yeah. Yeah. If we only forced the sons of millionaires to go to war. There wouldn't be any. It was done if they did it that way, if they did it by income. And the wealthiest people's sons were the first to get drafted overseas. Do you imagine how quickly they'd stop war? Yep.

They're like, what the fuck are you up to? But that makes sense. What's going on? You going to kill my billy? Because they have the most to gain. Exactly. So why shouldn't they risk the most? But it's just crazy that these systems have

always sort of existed. These systems and classes of people, people that were willing to send people to war and then people that are never going to war on their own. They're like, I'm not going, but they'll send people and they make decisions and they do it behind desks. They do it in offices and it's always existed like that. It's fucking wild. And there's no consequences to their decisions. They don't give it the proper care because that blood is never going to splash onto their desk. It's wild.

By proxy is the issue. And democracy is by proxy. We need the aliens. We need the aliens. We need them to come down. We need the aliens. We need the aliens. We need them to come down. We need the aliens. They have to come down and they have to just go, listen, you guys are just fucked.

You're not going to sort this out. Stop. We need someone from another planet to come and be like, this is the truth. Stop denying it. Don't talk your way around it. What do you think would happen? Like imagine if Russia moves nukes into Belarus right which is

supposedly happening and then one day there's some sort of a critical exchange and they go that's it that's enough and they just a giant ship hovering over the battlefield where everybody's like, holy fuck. And you realize that this thing is from another planet. It sends out a bunch of satellite ships, and they come down, and these things get out. It's not far from reality. Would you do it that way if you were an alien,

or would you force these dummies to create artificial intelligence that eventually takes them over? Would you conquer that way if you if you looked at these like imagine like i just want to think about this way imagine if we went to uh some sort of a jungle and someone had given the chimpanzees missiles and the chimpanzees just fucking launching missiles we'd be like yo we got to kill those chimpanzees they're fucking shooting at planes they're shooting at boats we got to kill them right they're too wild yeah they would come in and kill them right see i bet they would do that with us if we were a threat they would absolutely kill us and the fact that they

haven't killed us means we're clowns i think they were absolute clowns like my brother's feeling is and he's smarter than me and he reads much more alien stuff he's i was like yo if they're here why haven't they killed us he goes they don't care we're like he's like i think they're doing research and i'm like all right if they're doing research then they're just gonna let us die and they're just gonna like they're they're probably watching us on screens just laughing like you look at these idiots look at these idiots. Look at these idiots. I would imagine we're pretty funny to watch. They can't even drink water in Philadelphia.

Yeah. I know, right? It's like Housewives for them. Like, yo, check out Housewives Philadelphia. They don't got water now. You should have seen what happened in East Palestine. The aliens are watching us like Bravo. Probably.

I bet they're probably monitoring nuclear sites because they're one of the things that has been reported in the past and again you don't know if it's true or not you don't know if you're getting what this brings us back to what we're originally talking about you don't know if you're getting bullshitted you don't know if it really happened you don't know if you weren't there and they don't have any physical evidence for you to watch or see or touch even physical evidence you could watch we know that could be horseshit but most likely it's not if it comes from official channels but like it doesn't mean they don't exist like even if some of you think that it's nonsense you think it's silly that might be part of the plan part of the plan might be make it seem silly. That way you could just be around all the time. And people talk about it.

And even the Pentagon talks about it. Nobody cares. Like, well, okay, you hit the right frequency then. Yeah. And that means they're a much more evolved civilization than us. Yeah, they're playing a game. They're playing chess. Yeah.

They're also, they recognize that we have a real susceptibility to group think and we're real susceptible and if you can trick people into thinking that ufos are silly oh god what are you thinking about other life forms from another planet so silly what a great way to trick people if you could do that and you did exist you could make it so that talking about you carries a social consequence. So if you're in polite society, right now, nowadays in 2023, you can have a conversation about UFOs because the New York Times wrote an article about it. You could say, did you see that? Did you see that article in New York Times? Did you see the Pentagon had a discussion? So, yo, what if Woody Allen is an alien? Because no one writes faster than this guy. Nobody,

he's made so many good films. He's done terrible things, and he survives, and he's among us. And it's just like, is Woody Allen an alien? How did he figure out? That might be the worst take I've ever heard from you. Bro, but what if the exact tone, it's like, look at the things he's accused of doing, and he walks among us. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, he's uncancellable. Well, not really, because I don't know if actors are as willing to work with him anymore. And I don't know, like, what kind of distribution. Like, how has that affected his films and what he does and what he's allowed to do? I don't know. Like, his own family's come out against him and he's still out here. Like even Bill Cosby had to go to court at least. Yeah.

You know. At least. And he's still out. He came back outside. Yeah. It's dark. Yeah. Woody Allen as an alien is dark.

Well, I don't think he's an alien. I think he's just a flawed human being. But the idea, what I guess I'm saying is the concept that you're saying is they're like they're among us and they've made themselves a laughingstock in a joke so as to avert I don't even know necessarily they're among us I don't know if the things that people are seeing I don't know I think those are probably I'm just guessing I shouldn't even say probably but I think those could be drones i think

they could be super sophisticated drones that we don't understand because they've done all of this science in in a way where they never made it public that's not that's that's it's not likely but it is possible it's one of those things where you're like, man, you don't know. If they were very clever and they started doing this at a certain point in time in history and they were almost like a movie where they had this secret laboratory where they hired the top physicists and they gave them some fake jobs. Like, oh, I'm in charge of fertilizer reproduction at this chemical plant bullshit. This guy, he's over there back-engineering UFOs. You know, like what if they really do have some crash shit that they found in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947,

and they've been trying to figure out how to back-engineer that, and they're getting closer. Dude, I just want to meet Optimus Prime. Like Optimus Prime looks like the illest alien. Like I just hope that it's Optimus Prime. That would be fucking sick. I want a little tiny gray dude that can read minds. I want the traditional.

I don't want the bullshit, new age, fucking robot. I want a truck. Sam Wickwitty. What if it was like Woody from Toy Story? What if that's who the aliens are? They come down here, they're like, what the fuck, Woody? Woody, you're the head alien? But that's like that aliens are they come down here they're like what the fuck woody woody you're you're the head alien but that's like that scene in contact remember in that jodie foster movie

did you ever see contact yeah long time ago when the end of the movie i believe it's her day comes to her as her dad i think the alien tells her i think i'm pretty sure it's her dad and it tells her in the like they're walking together it's like this whatever we are is too much for you to handle So I've shown myself in this form Yeah, it's a what's a heavy scene, dude It's a heavy scene It's really it's a really good movie man. Do you remember that movie? Yo, I do. I haven't seen it in a while. It written by the original uh novel was by carl sagan and um

they converted it into one of the best like alien movies of all time because it was like an intellectual dramatic movie about contact with an alien race and how it was probably going to present itself and it was very very novel because you know Carl Sagan was fucking brilliant he also huge pothead Carl Sagan huge pothead and you the movies be predicting the reality like that one that one is I gotta watch this what's it's probably how they would do it if they were gonna make contact with you why would they freak you out and come looking like some fucking weird stick figure with a giant gray head but that was her dad right yeah woody allen you don't want to let it go why are you so hanging out why are you hanging out with this eddie

it's just ridiculous it is ridiculous i love i love hanging out on a ridiculous point maybe that's right though but let's let's look look at it this way like what a better way to hide yourself like no one's coming to him for wisdom no one's no one's coming to him to like to think that how to run the world but what if he's amongst us just making these silly movies but really just gathering data yeah and giving us like the deepest insights into our souls for these films and and you know why i really like woody Allen as an alien? Because I do feel if the aliens came, they would be fucking Knicks fans. That's why.

Interesting. Really, Woody Allen, alien. Yeah. The Knicks are the greatest. If you say so. Are you a Celtics fan? Do you watch any? I was the most casual Celtics fan of all time when I lived in Boston.

If they won, I was like, yay. But I don't have time for sports. I've never met a casual. You're the only casual Celtics fan I know. Well, this is when I lived there. I'm pretty sure. Did I go to one game? I think I went to one game at the Boston Garden when I was a kid.

I definitely went to a hockey game too, but it was like sports to me were just like, I don't know. Yeah, bing bong. They get crazy. See, if you were alien, you're like, yo, these are the people I want to be around.

That guy looks like an alien. You don't want to be walking through them with a Lakers t-shirt on. That's what you don't want. They will beat you to death. That's what's fucked up. Those guys are in a war. They're in a war with another team. And the fans of another team, they'll get very hostile.

You have to be very careful. Mark my words, man. Aliens, if they arrive in 100 years, ask them who's the greatest basketball player. They're going to say the Knicks. They got good taste. I believe you. They're getting crazy, though. Look at this guy.

He's getting ready to fight some people. They're ready to fight people. I love that clip. I don't have time for sports, man. That was after double OT when we beat the Celtics. Season opener, 2022. I feel like sports swallows up a lot of your time. If you really get into sports, you got baseball to watch, football to watch, basketball to watch

I had to give up multiple sports for my wife because I bamboozled her the first six months we were together, I didn't watch sports you faked it and then you slowly introduced it and then because also she likes UFC so I was like okay okay

get you, and she's Greek so Kambosos was like big last year fighting boxing so I could we could do UFC we could do boxing and I was like the one thing I care about is the Knicks then I brought in the commanders and she's now like yo I'm gonna kill you she's from Australia no she's from she's Greek she's born in Boston though so okay yeah that's right, because I was thinking Kambosis. Yeah, no, Kambosis is Greek. Australian, but Greek. Yeah.

Yeah, there's been a shit ton of good fighters that came out of Greece. Really? Yeah. Yeah, there's been Greek kickboxers, Greek jiu-jitsu athletes. Yeah. Imagine, like, living in a place where they invented democracy like you're walking around greece you're like you guys invented democracy right here sports you invented pancreation you know they they're like like meeting her and her fam i'm like oh

you guys are like chinese people of the west you claim everything you said you invent and it's like true and like you have your own astrological system i'm like yo y'all y'all are the light-skinned answer to well y'all are western chinese people to me do you um have you ever heard of a book called uh the immortality key no it's a book by this guy Brian Murar rescue and it's all about ancient Greece and it's all about these enlightenment ceremonies that they were doing and They they realized over time These researchers did that what they were doing is they were drinking wine that was laced with ergot

Which has psychedelic properties so So ergot, which is very much like LSD. So it's real similar. So they were tripping balls. So this is where they invented all these things. This is where they have the Lucinian mysteries, like all these different people from all over the world would come to have these experiences with these people and drink this wine. And that's what they're doing. They're tripping balls. And that's how they invented everything. That's how they invented democracies. They invented so many aspects of society.

Yeah. And so many philosophers were a part of that that made quotes that we still use today. Yeah, the foundation of our language, the foundation of Western thought, it's all Greek. Foundation of democracy. It's really wild. They did all that while they were most likely high on some sort of a psychedelic. And Brian Murarrescu in this book makes the case so convincingly and academically that Harvard opened up like a field of study in looking into ancient Greece and psychedelic drugs. So this whole this whole Eleusinian mystery thing, this like Eleusinian school that they would all that was like these people were most likely at least some time while they were there tripping balls.

See, for me, when I was in high school, I was really interested in reading about fifth century philosophy and thought, because in the fifth century you get Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Lao Tzu, Buddha, you know, all of those things. And when when you compare them at the end, there is the everyone in those civilizations tends to agree on the idea of order and balance. Yeah. Feng Shui, like yin and yang yeah that there's two sides to everything and that is the foundation of like my value system because i'm like yo that was interesting that that was a century where people called a spade a spade and was like you have to stay even and balanced yeah there's two sides to everything you know and when you compare the philosophy when you do a comparative look at the philosophies,

they do come to like some similar conclusions from a macro perspective. Yeah, I think most human beings, when intelligent human beings get together to debate ideas over a long period of time, as long as they're entering into this thing, not with the desire to formulate propaganda, but to actually get to the truth, they come to similar conclusions. Yeah. If you eliminate ego and the desire to win. Yeah. Take that out. You have similar.

And that's with society. It would be really cool if we took out the desire to win, because I think that's just you can't. It's fucking us up. Yeah. Yeah. It's always always gonna fuck you and it's i think it's because of what we talked about before that every person should have something that they're doing that's difficult to do because if you don't have something that you're doing that's difficult to do you try to look for competition in everything yeah try to look for competition socially with your neighbors you try to look for competition with you know this

bitch you know like everybody's got like a thing they're doing like you it's it gets in the way and if you do something where you compete against yourself and your own will i think it quenches that yeah and like you were saying the people that are like fuck you america's the best like they're holding us back it's pride every country feeds you pride is a drug to just like because then they can manipulate you and also collective pride and also america's the fucking best so you can suck it everybody can suck it see it's fun to say that's part of the problem like that that's fun to say america's the best you can suck it it's we're the dumbest for sure. I mean, I say one China just because it sounds funny. You know what I mean?

One China. One China. One China. There's guys that play. It's interesting. There's these guys that play pool out of Taiwan. But I think they have to write Chinese Taipei. I think it's one of those deals, right?

Yeah. And the Ko brothers, they're two of the best pool players in the world come out of Taiwan. Yeah. It's Ko Ping Chung and what's his brother's name? Ko Ping. Ko Ping Chung and Ko Ping Yi. Yeah. Ko Ping Yi and Ko Ping Chung.

So Ko Ping Yi and Ko Ping Chung are two of the best pool players on earth. And they come out of Taiwan. And they were like kind of secluded from the pool scene for a couple years because of COVID, because everything got very strict with COVID and travel. But I'm pretty sure they have to write Chinese Taipei on their shirts, right? Yeah. So does it say that on, like, if you have a passport and you pass through? Do they mark it as Taiwan or do they mark it as Chinese Taipei?

So if I fly with a Taiwanese passport, it says Taiwan it does say Taiwan, but it's that's the thing. It's the agreement It's like an in-the-house agreement. You're your own country. But when you talk to white people say our name first Like call me daddy. It's all pride. It's all fucking crazy. That's a hilarious take Do you think that China will ever invade Taiwan? Is that a fear? When you're thinking about Russia invading Ukraine, do you think that could ever take place where China invades Taiwan? Okay.

Who's the woman in Florida that killed her own kid? Yeah, Casey Anthony. Yeah. If you have a Caseyy anthony leader in china potentially in in the future yeah not this guy this guy's not he doesn't he doesn't want to kill chinese taiwanese people that's the thing is that after 1950 so much of that country is chinese people that lost the civil war led by chen kai-shek into taiwan the the question would be akin to like would we ever like attack the south you know and the interesting and and it's i just don't think china has it in its heart to like do it. And I don't I really do think Taiwan is used as just this is like a sore spot.

So do you think it's used to to like like the West uses it to try to make China look bad in some way or to try to show that there's some sort of a conflict between Taiwan and China and that we side with Taiwan? Is it like a political ploy? I really do think America and the other Western forces use Taiwan as like an X. Like you hold it up and you're like, I just went out with her. Oh, no. It's like Kim Kardashian with Pete Davidson. Oh, no.

Taiwan's Pete Davidson. Ah! You know? Ah! It's like Kim Kardashian with Pete Davidson. Oh, no. Taiwan's Pete Davidson. That's hilarious. That's a hilarious comparison, but I see what you're saying. And Kanye got all crazy and mad. China gets mad. You're making us look bad. Yeah.

I get it. Yep. But I don't think they're actually going to do it. It's just a lot of mumbo jumbo. You know what's interesting? And people make money off it. They do make money off of it. One of the things that's interesting is that one of the things that people are worried about is China invading X, China taking over the world. But then if you ask them, like, when has China ever invaded anybody? Like, it's only been really too bad, right?

Not since the wall. You know, like straight up, like the imperialistic intentions ended since the wall. And it's the pot calling the kettle black. America's the one that'll go into other countries. It's pretty crazy. China'll do business with you, you know? Yeah. Like, America will come rape and pillage.

China will hire you as an escort. Right. pillaged, China will hire you as an escort. Right. Well, China has so many mineral areas, like so many mineral rights, and they have mines in the Congo where they're pulling out cobalt. They're controlling very valuable natural resources. The whole thing has been very clever because they exist in a completely controlled system. They have control over their system. They have control over their people. They have control over their people. And that's why this country is kind of at a disadvantage. We let them buy real estate.

Yeah, go ahead, buy that building. They're buying all the great buildings. It's going to be literal China. They'll own it all. Or Saudi Arabia or somebody else will own it. And like, okay. Meanwhile, how much can you buy? If you're an American business, can you go over and buy giant skyscrapers in China?

Can you start running them? You have to do a lot of money laundering and da, da, da, da. But yeah, I could probably give you a guy. Yeah, but it's very difficult. It's very difficult. America just has this identity crisis because we've told all the immigrants we're this benevolent, colossus, this place. Come.

We're the world's fucking super police. We're the cops. We take care of everyone. When it's like, yo, we're a business. Just do what's good for it. And if you start to look at it that way, decisions become much easier. But right now, it's a country that serves too many masters internally within itself. Because you're serving business, but you won't admit it. Mm-hmm

and that's you're serving business and also What is a border like what are we doing? Are you allowed to come in if you sneak in or do we have to turn you back? Do you is it okay if it comes from the north but not okay from the south? What about from the sides? Do you, is it okay if it comes from the north but not okay from the south? What about from the sides? Yeah. Like, at what point in time do we decide that you can't take more people?

Or at what point in time do we decide to let all the walls drop and everybody go wherever the fuck they want everywhere? Let's even the whole world out. Yeah. That's the scary one. That's the scary one. Like, anybody can go anywhere. Shut the fuck up. And then you're going to have madness until it settles down.

So like many generations. We don't want to like rip the Band-Aid off. We want to go like this like, eh, eh, eh. We don't want to, whoa, let's open it all up. Yeah, opening it all up would be a real issue for a little bit. But I think in the long run, if everything was open, if everybody could go everywhere, probably be better for human beings. The only problem is some spots are better. Yeah, some spots are better. And here's the thing.

I would be interested in opening it all up because I'm interested in the seeking of truth. Global mobility would be amazing. You would lose local culture. Certain things would become extinct. You would lose the culture. Certain things would become extinct. You would lose the idea of federalism. But if we look at the UFC, you would come to some agreements and truths. It would be like a UFC of life. Yeah, because what's the UFC?

It would probably take as long, too. It would probably take about 20 years to really figure it out until you get an elite, high-level, modern 2023 champion. Because the UFC has literally entered the dragon when it first started. Everyone from every country, bring your martial arts, try it out. I like what you're saying. It's so crazy, but I think it makes sense. Yeah.

Because the best way to live would work out. But the problem is if we don't have a real clear set of rules, if you just open up the borders, then people are just going to take over everything. People storm through cities and do whatever the fuck they want, and there's no cops anyway. What are you going to do? Yeah.

Everything makes sense if you look at it through the prism of sports. It's just like you need rules for truth to shake out. You have to have rules. Because then you define winning. You define meritocracy. It's like, you know winning. You define meritocracy. Yeah. It's like, you know, I would always say this.

Salary caps create, if you're going to believe in competition, if we're going to assume the idea that competition is the best thing for the global capitalism and we have to maintain it in its purest sense, then you need a salary cap. Yeah. A salary cap for everything in life? The idea of a cap where it's like you have to continue competing, sending you back, like boxing, right? If I compare boxing to UFC, the issue with boxing is you don't have to fight fights.

Right. You don't have to fight fights? You don't have to fight the big fights.'t have to fight fights you don't have to fight the big fights you know like people duck they duck so many fights ufc is while it's not a salary cap what the ufc does is it reinforces competition you have to continue defending your belt and that's what makes it okay i see what you're saying i gotta piss so sorry i can barely pay attention i can't believe you fucking lasted right back. Yeah We're back. I think one of the things that was very interesting that you were saying about like that life

If everything just opened up would kind of be like the UFC we'd figure out the right way to do it Well, yeah a lot of chaos with the right rules and with the right incentive because you, you know, UFC, everybody stays poor, so you have to keep fighting. Right? I mean, not everybody, but... What is the incentive, though? Because some guys, they have... Like, BJ Penn in his prime famously came from a rich family. Like, BJ Penn was a weird case where he just had a warrior in his jeans.

He wasn't poor. And he was one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time. Yeah, but I mean, he's not getting rewarded with that much money by fighting i think what's cool about the ufc is these dudes want to do it like i get it that like say for chito vera right chito vera this is a way to become quote unquote like rich but if you look at what chito vera makes in comparison to like tank or Ryan Garcia it's not nearly as much but you're getting better competition in the UFC I think is what I'm trying to say yeah if that makes sense if you get to but you gotta say Tank and Ryan Garcia are world champions

so the difference is if you get to world championship like Aljamain Sterling level Aljamain's making I don't know what I shouldn't speak for him, but I know that there are many UFC champions that make millions of dollars. They become very wealthy. Would you say though that you have to work harder for your money in UFC than in boxing? I think it's a harder sport. It's not that boxing is not a hard sport. It's a very, very, very hard sport. What's harder about MMA is that because of all the grappling and all the wrestling that you have to do, your body gets so beat up. It's really hard to show up on fight night and not be already damaged. Whereas in boxing, if you have good sparring partners, like the boxing fights that get canceled versus UFC, the fights that get canceled, I would like to see what the actual statistics are, but I would assume there's way more UFC fights get canceled because of the variables, the leg kicks, takedowns, all those opportunities to tweak your knee

or fuck your neck up. There's just so many people getting hurt in camp that never make it to the fight, whereas in boxing, it's pretty rare. Yeah, it's more rare. It's more like, oh, I broke my hand on a sparring partner's head. Things like that. UFC too, though, it's the idea that

you just keep making people fight the toughest fights. And then you're going to get the true champion and you're going to get the better sport. And I think when applied to society, it's like you got to maintain competition in a true sense. Did you see Caleb Plant, David Benavidez?

I did not watch that fight. Dude. It was Saturday. You need to see that fight. Yeah. You need to watch that fight. I got married on Tuesday, so I have an excuse this time. That's a real excuse.

But I do. I will go watch this fight. Congratulations. You should watch it because it was very impressive. Because, you know, if you watched Caleb Plant fight, if you saw him in the Canelo fight, and you saw him in what is his subsequent fight? Who did he knock out with that vicious left hook?

Durrell? I can't remember what the dude's name was. I just remember Caleb Plant losing the fight before. Yeah, Anthony Durrell. Yeah. Vicious left hook KO. But I'm telling you, man, Benavidez just broke him down and was just battering him. And he's a big, tall dude.

But Benavidez was battering him in tight in the clinch. I mean, because Caleb kept trying to grab him. He was grabbing him and hold on to him dude this guy was I mean it was a good fight it was a good fight particularly in the beginning but like he was uh battering him with some vicious punches man was this was Benavidez more impressive than Canelo versus Plant um well Canelo stopped him yeah so you always have to think yeah you got to think well Canelo might be I mean this guy as hard as Benavidez hits Canelo stopped him. Yeah. I think it was like sixth round, right? Yeah, you've got to think, well, Canelo might be, I mean, this guy, as hard as Benavidez hits, Canelo might actually hit harder. Yeah.

Canelo's a monster fighter. Yeah, Canelo hits harder for sure. But Benavidez, as far as like a young, up-and-coming, undefeated dude who's real unusual, like real long and strong, like powerful fucking puncher too, man. Fun to watch. And Caleb is too, man. Fun to watch. And Caleb is slick, dude. Caleb is slick. But he eventually wore on him. He wore on him.

He just kept coming after him, kept coming after him. The plan has been known to kind of fade. He's got such a sprint-heavy sort of style. The style is very, it really almost depends too much upon like fast twitch or something. He has holes in his defense too. Like a lot of holes in his defense. It's a lot of offense without defense built in is kind of like what I've seen when I watch Caleb play a fight. You know, one of the most substantial changes in Canelo from like the early days to the late days is his head movement.

That's a big difference, man. Like the Danny Jacobs fight. Yeah. That's one of the most beautiful displays of head movement in the history of boxing. Yeah. It was gorgeous. It was like Willie Pep type shit. Yep.

Just moving around and the punches were swinging. I was like, nope, not today. He's so nasty. It was beautiful. He's the best counter puncher right now. That was really pretty gorgeous, that fight. I just think when he went up to fight b vault that's just too much that's too that's too much man yeah that's too big he's

big yeah a 175 killer versus a 168 killer versus you know and really he's a 154 killer right he just kind of bulked up that's too big and canelo also came into that fight really flat-footed and fighting b vault trying to throw bombs because he got so comfortable just overpowering people yeah and he didn't box yeah beevil was nasty too and after he knocked out kovalev god damn that was a wild fight that was fun to watch yeah because you could see like he just kovalev obviously not the same kovalev as when he was the champion you know back in the andre ward days yeah but kovalev as when he was the champion you know back in the Andre Ward days yeah but Kovalev was still fucking dangerous

still like a really good you know light heavyweight boxer Kovalev's one of the best villains of the last 15 years because he lost a lot of the big fights but he made

like the Andre Ward series was incredible yeah the Canelo shit was amazing Kovalev's a good villain bro he dropped Ward, remember? Yeah. Dropped when Ward came back to win that fight,

and then Ward fucked him up in the second fight. Yeah. You know, Ward was fighting him with one hand. Yeah, Ward is one of the smartest boxers I've ever seen. Ever. Ever. Yeah. Fought most of his career with one arm.

I didn't know that. Yeah, his right arm was fucked up. His shoulder's fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had to fight with like one handed like literally one handed

until he got shoulder surgery and then even he tore his shoulder when he was very young and they tried to fix it with bands and shit like that but they should have

just done surgery and they didn't do the surgery and that's why he took the break yeah and they took a break and came back and his shoulder was better than ever

but it's still like the guy beat Carl Frosch, beat all those people with like one hand. That Kovalev fight was just crazy because Kovalev had him early on, and then Andre just downloaded information, started fighting low to high, high to low, instead of going laterally, and Kovalev just could not keep up with him. Like the stuff jab. That was a clinic. He's so smart. laterally and Kovalev just could not keep up with him. Like the stuff jab and that was a clinic. He's so smart and you know they offered him the Canelo

Alvarez fight after Canelo knocked out Kovalev and he's like nope I think I'd be better served being a broadcaster. He was retired, undefeated, you know multiple weight world champion, gold medalist. Good. Because that Canelo fight would have been tough.

I would have loved to see it, but I think Andre Ward is very smart not taking that fight. Well, I feel like if you're going to have a fight like that, you should be fighting all the time. You should be in peak condition. You shouldn't be on a retirement mindset and then come back. That mindset is very different. and then come back, that mindset is very different. The mindset of a dude who's either chasing a championship or maintaining a championship is a Spartan, savage mindset. And if you relax and retire, you have to rekindle that beast.

You have to restoke those fires. You should probably get some warm-up fights inside of you. Yeah, you need to have something you're chasing, which is why I felt like Triple G coming to Fight Canelo has just been so lackluster. The last one was. Yeah. The last one was fairly— The first two were great.

Dude, time doesn't give a shit about your plans. Father Time just starts fucking up your joints, fucking up your back, fucking up your face, fucking up your scar tissue around your eyebrows. Ball shrink. Like like i still really i like want to get after it still most days don't do it but i remember when i was younger all seven days probably fucking eight hours of the day i wanted to be productive now i'm like i want to feel good i want feel good. And then it's the curiosity thing. So I think my shit's better, but I don't have, I'm not working as much. But just you're very, very privileged that you've accomplished enough so that that part of you is kind of quenched. Yeah.

And really now what you're about is you're still successful, but you're being successful just by chasing your curiosity, which I think is amazing. That's kind of a lot of what podcasts are all about. You know, podcasts are really all about like chasing curiosity, having conversations, asking questions you're really interested in, finding out stuff about things. It's really about chasing curiosity. Yeah. And it was like I ended up doing everything I wanted to do. Restaurant, memoir, the movie. everything I wanted to do restaurant memoir the movie and then I came back and started a podcast with wifey because I was like I miss intimate conversation I miss talking to individual fans

like I'll respond to them in the comments and I got stuff going on because like as a writer and director you really only get to make something once every three to five years and that like fallow period is unbearable for me and so the podcast is like a good way to like every week like let me use the brain let me let me like open up because i realized i was just like i'm rotting on my fucking couch yeah a lot of people who are writers uh gravitated to podcast too because uh it allows them to put out stuff that gets seen by far more people or heard by far more people with far less effort. Like Sam Harris has said that.

Sam has written quite a few really great books, but he also does his podcast, and the podcast probably in one episode that he does in just a couple hours reaches more people than, you know. I mean, how much does the average book sell? How many copies does a book have to sell to get on the New York Times bestseller list? I think maybe first, it's not that much first week. I don't think it's that much, right?

It's not that much. I think it's like a couple thousand to get on the New York Times bestseller list. So every episode that he has is a New York Times best bestseller and he does it in just a few hours instead of like months and months and months of you know writing and editing and oh that's all searching or snorting at her all yeah and it becomes a group project like i have very few editors i have an editor rachel i like audible she's great my old editor chris jackson made my shit better but there's very few editors. I have an editor, Rachel, like Audible. She's great. My old editor, Chris Jackson, made my shit better. But there's very few people you work with that actually make it better.

They really just want to make it more make sense to them. A lot of them. And a lot of them want to get their greasy little fingers on something and leave their fingerprints. Yeah. I told Eddie to do it like this. Yeah. Yeah. I told Eddie to do it like this.

Yeah. The worst editors and producers are artists by proxy because they don't want to take the risk of being an artist. Right. But I'll rasp you in you. And they think you're experts. I am an expert. Listen, I know how to make a film. Yeah. I have ideas that are bulletproof.

I've been successful on 15 projects. Yeah. It's a weird world, man. It is. If you could be in a self-produced world, you're so much better off. Because then you don't have to interact with people that aren't doing their own thing. They're doing other people's things, which may work, but oftentimes doesn't. If you looked at the formula for creating a good show on television,

how many shows do they pick that never become any good? Is it half? Are they even 50% successful? What do you think they are? If you had to guess, let's just go sitcoms. What percentage of sitcoms that they create are any good or become successful? Is it 50? Yo, I think they make like 250 a year, I think was the number or something like that.

And how many do I enjoy and watch? Succession, White Lotus. Do you think Succession is a sitcom? Yellow Jackets. Oh, no, that's not a sitcom. No, no, no. My bad. I was giving credit for all of it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, sitcom, zero. Like, for me, the what? Zero. They're still making them, though. They're still making them. Isn't that wild? Yeah, somebody's eating that up.

There's a few of them that are good. Miss Pat's is really funny. Miss Pat's is genuinely very funny. Abbott Elementary is good. I guess that would be it. What's Abbott Elementary? Abbott Elementary. It's cool.

It's about, like, school teachers in Philadelphia. It's like The Office, but it's a workplace comedy. Like, Zach Fox is in it. And it's in Philadelphia with teachers. Youiladelphia it's like the office but it's a workplace comedy like zach fox is in it and um it's it's in philadelphia with teachers you would like it but it's it's at the level of a sitcom like 30 rock where it's single camera it's very elevated but it's on network television so technically a sitcom you know when i watched the first episode of The Good Place. Oh, is that good? Dude, it's funny, man. Really? Yes. I watch it.

This is one of those, like, when you have a wife and daughter, occasionally daughters, occasionally, this time it was only one of them that had the idea, you have to make sacrifices. You can't watch what you want to watch. Sometimes you have to watch what they want to watch. And they tricked me many times But not this one this one the good the good place is Ted Danson and what's that pretty lady's name? Who's a Kristen Bell Kristen Bell and It's fucking funny man. I laughed hard. I laughed hard. Oh, it's about heaven. I don't want to give away anything

But it was funny. I was like, that's a funny fucking show. So that was an NBC show? I'm going to watch it. How many episodes? What does Rotten Tomatoes give it? Four seasons maybe. Does Rotten Tomatoes have shitty taste?

Is Ted Danson dead? No. He's not? No. Oh, wow. This is highly rated he's watching it on curb your enthusiasm oh 97 percent wow 89 average audience score 97 percent uh average tomato meter i just watched the first 2016 to what i'm gonna take you i'm gonna watch this 20 so it's four years so it's three years dude it's fucking funny the first episode is at least i

laughed pretty fucking hard and i was like this is clever it's interesting it's different i'm you know the thing for me well that's a good that's a better era right now i just feel like it's so calculated like algorithmic what shows get picked it's just like music tiktok determines everything and like i don't even it's not that i'm against it tiktok is dope it's just like music tiktok determines everything and like i don't even it's not that i'm against it tiktok is dope it's just that the music industry is like this is the one metric this is what we're going to use to like decide which shows and i think what's cool about podcasts right is you've been doing this forever is i think the podcasts that work and stay and keep fans it's because the person is intimate.

They have a relationship with you, and you gave them something fucking real. I think that definitely helps. Because otherwise, why do they keep downloading episodes? It's fun to think of how you think about conversations. And I don't think we have enough conversations. And one of the things about podcasts is you get to kind of participate in the conversation just in your head while you're doing something else. So if you have some fucking mundane, boring ass job and you listen to a podcast, your mind gets to be taken on a little trip. And next thing you know, fucking three hours is gone. Your shift is almost over, you know, and you're chilling.

That's the beauty of podcasts is that we all want to have conversations and you know we're all like hey if i could talk to eddie wong what would i say i'll fucking shoot the shit with that dude that'd be fun and so that's what we're doing like we're doing it like normal yeah everyone's a little this is how you and i would talk if we're having dinner yeah in the bathroom we were talking in the bathroom like taking a piss it's the same fucking shit same exact conversation we should take a piss together more yeah it's hilarious it's the same exact kind of conversation we have it all the time anytime i talk to you it'd be like this yeah yeah it's like but that is fun and it's you know no one would have ever saw that coming

though like if you were you can't even blame like some radio network person they would never saw that shit coming. No. And it wouldn't work on radio because they'd have to fucking put ads in every eight minutes. It wouldn't work on radio because you'd have someone leaning over your shoulder. Yeah. That'd be the problem. Pig vomit. If we walked out the door and there's a fucking office and they're like, hey, Eddie, this

thing that you keep bringing up, every time you talk about it, this goes down and that goes up. I'm like, oh. Yeah. No, that was the literal. bringing up every time you talk about it this goes down and that goes up and like oh yeah no that's that was the literal you you remember that movie private parts right where pig vomit yeah yeah paul giovanna was just down his throat and i i was watching that a few months ago sitting on the couch with my girl and her mom and that's when i was like i want to do a podcast i'm so sick of like studios and everybody just kind of of breathing down my neck like fucking pig vomit. But for you, right?

Somebody has to have asked you this, but what made you want to do a pod? It was just for fun. Well, I'd see what Tom Green had done in his house. He developed some sort of a podcast before there were podcasts. That was like 2007. And he was just doing it from a website. And it was like Tom Green TV or something like that. Yeah, I remember that.

It was great. And then I watched Anthony Cumia. He did this thing live from the compound where he had like a green screen behind him and he was like doing karaoke with a machine gun. I was like, what the fuck? Like you could just do it. You could do like a radio show from your house.

And so me and Brian Redband just said, let's try it. Just like with a webcam and just talking shit. And then as time went on, like my idea of what it was sort of kind of changed to the point where now it almost feels like, I think certain things that people people do it's almost like that thing wanted to get out there that thing wanted to be born that thing wanted to introduce people to all these interesting folks and have and and introduce people to all these different ways of thinking and looking at things because that's part of what's fun about it like the more people you talk to the more you get to see uh patterns that maybe you see in your own self you get to talk to people and find out why they think what they think and sort of flavors how you look

at yourself flavors the the way you look at the world we're all better off for listening to good conversations i fucking love listening to a good conversation even I was listening to Douglas Murray having this discussion. They were discussing immigration and what causes inequality. It's like having a conversation, interesting conversations that make you think

are so fucking critical. Because sometimes you'll get boxed in on a thought where you give a cursory look at something and you go, well, I have this knee-jerk reaction that's probably right. And then you watch somebody else talk about it and you go, oh, look at it from their perspective. And it's an eloquent perspective that's convincing and interesting. And then someone else has a counter to that. You're like, god damn, he's got some good points too.

Holy shit. And it just sort of makes you reassess the way you look at things and why are we so dogmatic and why are we so attached to ideas. What is it about ideas that are so attractive to us that we want to hang our hat on that idea to show that we're smarter because we believed in that idea? Yeah. Conversation at its core, it can be very humbling and enlightening at the same time yeah it's dope and and then sometimes i like to listen to your homie tim dylan just rant by himself and then i feel like i'm talking to him and i'm just like yo i listened to this guy talk straight for an hour it's so fire he's the best ranter that's ever existed no one rants better

than him when he gets on a subject especially if it's about like corruption or something like it's absolutely ridiculous. Don't boss. He goes for it. He fucking goes for it. He's so funny, man. He's the greatest ranter. Like him and my mom. My mom's a really good ranter.

Yeah. They're the best. Yeah. It's like there's a few out there. Bill Burr is a great ranter. Tim is, I think Tim is the funniest ranter ever. I really do.

Like when he just fucking goes for it. And also he's a smart guy. Yeah. So his takes, they make sense. They make a lot of sense and they cut through the noise. That's the thing about him that I'm like, oh, you don't care if this hurts somebody's feelings because it's truthful. And that's what I fuck with him about. He's very truthful.

Well, at this point in time, it seems like that needs to be a thing. Yeah. Because we're trying to protect people's feelings, we're allowing all kinds of fucking madness in the world. But the crazy shit about Tim Dillon's shows, right? I went to his show. Like, I drove all the way to Irvine to watch this guy. Nice. And I don't know if his audience is in on the

joke like they're laughing at it earnestly when he's like laughing at them and I'm like you'll just bit of two things got it's a bit of two things happening simultaneously like cuz Tim is conservative and he's also gay yeah he's all very insightful and funny but he's also making fun of morons it's like he's also gay. Yeah. He's very insightful and funny, but he's also making fun of morons. It's like he's doing both things simultaneously. And what he's essentially doing is just being fucking hugely entertaining. Like that's part of what the whole thing is. It's just hugely entertaining.

And for whatever reason they laugh at it, if they don't get it, they're not even in on the joke. It's still funny. I don't even know if I would fully categorize him as conservative. you know, because there's certain takes of his that are like anti-war. He's very anti-war. Yes. I wouldn't say maybe conservative is not the correct right of center, I would say. Yeah. Right of center.

I would agree there. Yeah. That's the problem, right, is that we have two choices, conservative or liberal. I'm so much more liberal than I am conservative. So much more on most things. But there's a couple things where I'm like, hey, hard work's important. Hey, you know, maybe you should be able to have a gun. Hey.

Yeah. You know, there's a few of those things. I would say Tim is logical. Like a lot of his takes, I'm like, that makes a lot of sense. Very well thought out and very informed. Yeah. He's not talking out of his takes I'm like that makes a very logical very well thought out and very informed Yeah, he's not talking out of his ass like me. Yeah And he's not like he's down for diversity. He's get you know, like a lot of the cultural issues He's pretty progressive also very progressive, but he's also like real honest about what's going on here

And that's part of the problem, you know, yeah, I haven't seen his take on the school shooter But I'm sure it's gonna be a doozy This whole thing is so crazy, man. It's so terrifying that someone would want to do that to kids. It's so terrifying. It's really upsetting. It's really upsetting. Every time.

I feel like there's going to come a time where we decide that the only way to stop this is armed guards which is no one wants to go to that place no one wants to have armed guards in front of every school we never had that before why do we have that now and i get it i get that no one would want that i mean it's it's. But I also get that, like, I don't see any other way to protect. This idea that you're going to take all the guns away, they're not going to go for that. It's not in the Constitution. It's not in the Bill of Rights. You're not going to.

The Second Amendment, people aren't going to just give their guns up. As fucked up as that sounds. Because it's not the law-abiding people with guns that are the problem. It's people with mental health problems. That's the problem. And they get a hold of guns. So how do you stop the people with mental health problems from getting a hold of guns and doing this? That's the real question. And I don't know the fucking answer. And I don't think anybody does. That's why no one's done anything. And the best that anybody does is put armed guards in front of schools. And, you know, And then people get upset on social media and they talk about taking guns away. And then it becomes a big discussion of whether or not that's the answer to this and whether or not that promotes tyranny, whether or not disarming the people is good for us overall.

Is there anything that's a net positive about the country being armed? Is there anything that's a net positive about the country being armed is there anything that's a net positive about the second amendment amendment and those when those conversations happen that's when things get very interesting and you you find out why we agree um on certain things while we disagree on other things what what we think is the cause of these horrific tragedies and one of the the major causes is clearly that to order to do something like that, something has to be horribly wrong. And we have to figure out, like, is there a way to spot that? Is there a way to stop that other than armed guards?

Is there a way to reach that person? Should we be more sensitive about people that is it impossible to detect is it some people just hide it until they want to do it i don't know i don't know the answer it's fucked though dude it's fucked it's really scary shit it's really scary shit how much how often it's happening i would have to say that school shootings are the most disturbing genre of news. Like, I get the saddest. Like, I will cry. Like, the Odessa one, I was like, this one was really rough.

Yesterday's is really rough. The thing for me, though, is I feel that a large part of the issue is that we're always arguing about the exact cause. And my thing is, this is a multi-cause issue. This is a complete reflection of our society. And we're wasting time arguing, is it the guns? Is it mental health?

I really feel it's a lot of things combined. The guns aren't shooting people themselves, but the guns are very available to people that probably should not have them. And then it gets caught up in like, are we taking away the guns? I'm like, that's actually not the issue. How can we stop this from happening? Let's all get together and be like, we don't want to see kids shot in school. This is the worst thing that can possibly happen in your society.

And just shut it down. Let's say we put the armed guards at in school. This is the worst thing that can possibly happen in your society. And just shut it down. And like, let's say we put the armed guards at the school. Well, they still can shoot people at a supermarket. They could still shoot them at gymnastics class. These people, I think, are just very, there's something wrong. They're very unhappy. They're very angry. They want to do something to bring us to our knees. I can't say what mental health issue is afflicting each one of these shooters. Something is wrong. But I do also feel that until we get a hold of this and until we can heal as a society and people don't hate each other so much, not allowing the guns to be this available to people isn't the worst idea the problem is they're already there they're already available there's

too many of them like if you try to stop the flow like first of all they're constantly making new ones right so think of that and then second of all, there's 400 million guns in America right now. So like stop all production, stop all production, stop all sales. You still have 400 million guns. Okay. There's literally no way to stop it. Yo, so this is, I do this mental, this is the mental gymnastics that happen. When I'm trying to figure something out that I cannot figure out like this issue of school shooters, I try to get into an analogous or metaphorical place.

of school shooters. I try to get into an analogous or metaphorical place. So let's, if we look at gun violence, like inflation, and then we're the fed, the guns are there. I agree with you. They're already out here. Prices are high, like inflation. Inflation is in our society. So people want to stop inflation, take back the guns, stop lending free money out, you know, like, but is inflation going down? The fear that people have is the government has already shown that even with an armed populace, they will do what they can to be in control of people and to make people follow rules that they create that may not be in your best interest. And over time, it will be revealed that it's not your best interest and you have no recourse. And people are scared that if they didn't have guns, if they're treating us like that and people have guns, how would the government treat us if they

were the ones that had all the power? And I think that's a real good fear if you look at human history but i don't think that there's a utopian answer to this it's all it's all bad when this happens and there's there's no clear no one's making a clear case to how to avoid tyranny and stop this from happening what what the best i've heard is armed guards like so when a lot of people will be like, these conservative nutbags that want their guns. I'm like, all right, if you're already looking at them like that, then you can't see the issue because nothing is this clear cut. It's fun to call them conservative nutbags that want their guns. Yeah, it's important to be like, all right, let's give credence to what they're saying, which is, all right, I'm afraid of a government that runs unchecked. It's a legitimate common sense thing. I could see how a human being would want to worry about that. Then what I would

say to the person is, do you, have you seen Waco on Showtime? Do you think that you and your homies with some ammunition can actually defend and sustain a campaign against America within America? No. So how would we, let's put our brains together. If the fear is an unchecked government and we don't want to live in a place like that, live in a place like that. You know, like, how do we handle that? Well, get rich, have a business like Amazon, have a business like Apple, have fucking lobbyists. It's business.

Business is how you hold governments accountable. It's not the guns. That's what I would try to explain to people. So you would tell someone if they want to change the world, become Apple. Make a new Apple and then just take over. Leverage. It's leverage. It's so hard it's leverage it's hard you're

literally saying make an apple make apple make the most successful company in the history of the world but it would be even more ridiculous to give someone an ar-15 and say yo the yo defend like this country yeah you're not gonna defend you're not gonna defend but you also have to recognize this that's how we but there's very we're looking at very abstract concepts of the country. The country is comprised of people. And those people are not rich. The people that are in the military, that are doing the bidding of the military, they won't do it. See, this is where it becomes a real problem.

If you tell the people that they have to go after their own neighbors for something that doesn't make any sense. That will be where the rubber meets the road. So the thing is like Jordan Peterson talks about this often, that what, the way things change is not all at once. The way these change and things change are in these little small steps where it's almost unrecognizable and you give into it and then you're a little bit further down the road and then you give into another little insult and you're a little bit further down the road and then you give in to another little insult and you're a little bit further down the road. And over time you look and you've given up an insane amount of your rights and then you live in a dictatorship.

And this is what people worry about with any control that the government has more than it has now. This is what people worried about whenever they talk about extreme taxes. When the government in California raised the taxes up to 14% of people are like, what the fuck are you fucking stupid? They're just stealing money from you. And they would like, there's income inequality and we have to take care of it by taxing the fuck out of you.

And then where does the money go? Does it fix anything? No. No. No. They're stealing money. And there's people that think because they're liberals, that that's a good idea. We should raise the taxes and no one should be rich. Well, then you know, who's rich, the government,

they have all your fucking money and you're not going to work as much because none of this is good because this society, this country wants us stupid. So they offer us two really stupid, ineffective solutions, in the Democrats and Republicans. And they're both Rube Goldbergs, and they set up a—it's WWF, man. You remember those Rube Goldbergs? You put a ball, and it goes around, and all these things happen? So if you disagree with this, then this is where it ends up, and yada, yada.

The one idea we talked about today that I do think would hold governments accountable to us is the idea of global mobility. If the countries are competing for citizens, then we theoretically would have the best deal. That would be wild if if we just all agree. But the problem with that is the only way to do that, you have to have some sort of a government. that is the only way to do that you have to have some sort of a government and this sounds very suspiciously like some one world government shit and that is the last thing you want we don't want one world government right we want countries competing as businesses for us as customers to live there so if we all just agreed hey let's stop with this fucking killing each other and just uh compete for people to move to your spot.

It's like Florida and Texas. They offered you no income tax, right? So it's competitive. The discussion that I was telling you about with Douglas Murray, one of the things they were talking about was the exploitation of people in Mexico with cheap labor that's forcing them to want to come to the United States. It's a very good point. It's an very good point. It's an interesting point, right? Like what is wrong down south where they're risking their fucking lives and their baby's

lives to come up here? How did this happen? Are we to blame? Is automobile manufacturing moving there? Is all these different factories and plants moving there and then people knowing that if you just get across that river you make real money yeah like real money like you get rich you just work hard you can get ahead like what yeah yeah but why can't you get ahead over there like what is wrong what happened it's probably partially to do with moving manufacturing manufacturing over there for extremely cheap labor. And also America has always kind of

made it a business to cripple Mexico. You know, like we're so embedded with Mexico because it's classic, like it's classic country strategy to weaken your closest neighbor. You know, like Mexico cannot be a threat to America so you know I think there's a lot of Mexican government that were involved I would say try this but the problem is the bottom of its broken you're gonna get a mouthful of weed that's that's the best do your best with that mouthful weed yeah yeah I told you it's terrible terrible It's terrible. I think what everybody wants is to be happy and to enjoy life and to pursue your dreams,

do the thing that you enjoy doing. That's what everybody wants. Yeah. The more we can move towards that collectively as a society, the better it is. And I don't know how to do that. And I don't know if there's a way we can, like, just, looking at things right versus left, it's like what do we all agree on? Can we find the stuff we agree on? Yeah. Think about that.

And I think, too, it's just because the idea of identity is tied to country and family. talk to any person where it gets dicey and where things stop making sense is when it gets down to family or it gets down to like culture and and religion because you you've basically blacked out those areas of your brain and consciousness where you're like i'm not gonna open that pandora's box yeah but if you open it it's fucking scary the first 10 years but after a while you're like no i'm glad I considered that. I'm glad I thought about that because I'm not so tied to this country or identity or even this fucking family. Yeah. And we shouldn't be tied to any identity, especially like ideological, like a left wing or right wing.

I think it's like cults, man. I think it's not much different than people that have cult-like thinking. I have a friend of mine, and she was telling me today, in fact, that she grew up in a cult. She was telling me this whole thing. They told her she was a prophet. And when she realized the cult was fake, she's like, thank God I could be a normal person. I thought I was a prophet. People get sucked in.

They get sucked into that. They get sucked in. They get sucked into that. They get sucked into being a right-wing person. They get sucked into being a left-wing person. They get sucked into being Antifa. They get sucked into being a Proud Boys. People are fucking malleable, man, in the weirdest way. And we've got to recognize that and stop thinking that those people on the right, I don't even understand how you think over there.

I don't know how you sleep at night. And they're looking the same way that you. Like, you fucking idiot. You don't know who runs the banks. You don't know who's the military industrial complex. Yeah, it's because you attach meaning to shit that has no fucking meaning. Exactly.

And, like, I almost ruined my own goddamn wedding last week because my girl's pregnant, and she didn't want to come to the dinner the night before the wedding. And I kept calling it a rehearsal dinner. But it's a fucking shotgun wedding with nine people. It's not a rehearsal. No one's rehearsing shit. Where everyone's just there being like, get her on the insurance.

And she didn't want to come to dinner. I got really upset. I felt embarrassed. I was like, how could you embarrass me in front of my family and the two friends that are here like why would you not come and she's like because it's not a rehearsal dinner it doesn't mean what you're attaching this meaning to i love you i want to marry you i don't feel good i'm pregnant i want to go to sleep i could not fucking let it go oh no and i was, if you don't come to dinner, I'm not marrying you. And she didn't come.

And she goes, you know what? I don't want to marry you. And 7 a.m. of the day of the wedding last week, I thought I wasn't getting married. Oh, no. I was in shambles. And she brought me to my knees. And I literally, I just had to say to her, I said i said wrong or right i really can't see my life without you i can't i i can't and i was like for once i don't need to try to be right i don't need to win a fucking argument i don't need to attach meaning

to this thing that doesn't mean shit because like what would be really whack is if i didn't get to live my life with you how many people have made the wrong choice like that with someone oh and then wound up just fucking miserable and you see that person go off to get married to someone else and have kids like oh no do the moment flash before my eyes and i i like it was a moment of truth and and for two and a half hours, I really, because she left. She packed her bags and left. Didn't tell me she went to her mom's room, but I thought she left, left.

And I had to sit there and just be like, dude, very few things are worth it. But this relationship, like romance, love, that's worth it. This other shit's not worth it yeah very well it's um it's so tempting in the moment when you're hot and you're mad just go well fuck this little thing i'll fucking move on my life it's easy to bail on things but it's also it depends entirely upon the relationship seems like you have a really good relationship. Sometimes people should bail. No, sometimes you gotta bail. Sometimes you gotta bail.

This one, I had to stay in because I'm like, I've never felt this way. The feelings are real. But if the feelings weren't real, yeah, get the fuck out. Bro, sometimes you're in a bad spot. You're like, oh my God,

this poor guy. He gotta get out, bro. Yeah. This ain't getting better. It's not always right to go for it, but if you know. If you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you know. I think every one of us knows. Hopefully. The problem is when a girl's really hot, they can trick you. You can think you know. You're like, you're Willie. It's such, I don't think there's anything like it in the world where it's that convincing. Yeah, my girl's hot, but she also shit on the floor.

And I got a clear look at her. It seems like you guys know each other for real. Yeah. She pushed me to the brink shitting in my pants. I think for most guys, a really hot woman has an insane amount of control over you. a really hot woman has an insane amount of control over you it's it's hard to it like most guys will never experience what like a really hot woman is like just to be around and she's attracted to you like how much if you took a guy you take some like a Elizabeth Hurley in her prime looking oh that's crazy she's my

top bar she still looks great She's 150 years old Versace pin dress Bro she still looks great Yeah Like You know how much influence She would have Over the average guy

Like if she You really did believe That she was in love with you You're like I'm quitting my job What do I have to do Tell me what to do Tell me where to move I almost moved to fucking Boston

But you know the thing, I felt this way. 90 days is the amount of time I realized a hot woman loses my attention. Only 90? 90 days. After that, they become a regular person. Yeah, because I'm trying to hit it as many times as I can. Over 90 and then you're out of jizz and you're like, hey, who are you? Yeah.

Yeah, 90 days of nutting. I'm like, all right. And you're like, so what else do we have to talk about? I don't have any cum left. Let's develop a friendship. Let's find shared interests. Then you need conversation. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, if you get lucky and you find someone that you really enjoy, it makes life a better place. That's for sure. But it's all about you also have to be worthy of getting lucky. You have to be someone who, when they meet you, they think they got lucky. Like, oh, he's so nice. He's so fun.

This is great. They want to – they also want to – it can't just be a good deal for you. Yeah. How long have you been with your wife? We've been a while, man. Married for 13 years, 14 years 14 years yeah she's the best how'd i get along great with her man i met her at a bar oh i get along great with her because i like first of all she's easily as funny as me like when we go out which is very important like if you're

a comedian and you the you're the person you're with is not funny, that can be a bummer, you know? Just generally, if your partner's not funny, it's impossible. But if we go out, like, we're on a double date, she's the one who usually goes for it. She's the one who says hilarious shit. She likes making me laugh. She's got great timing.

It's very funny. She's also just, like, the nicest person I know. Being with someone that you you really love is like it changes how you interface with the world and when you you talk about like incels and you talk about um like women that are single that are in their 60s and like people there's a lot of people that are in despair out there because we have this this connection to each other that we sometimes don't recognize we sometimes don't don't talk about it or think about it and it's um you know it's human beings

are not meant to be alone we're we're meant to be in a tribe of of people that are learning from each other and communicating with each other and when people get older and they just lose like we're talking about like old hot ladies when ladies are hot and they're young they're i mean they're the most they're so attractive and so confusing to men like when you're around them like you're on drugs you're like jesus christ what am i saying you you feel yourself stammering over your words you're nervous you're reaching for doors and shit you know but then when they get older all that goes away and that's a that's a crazy turn of events that's a crazy turn of events when you're so much of your life in the

young years is about being attractive and then it goes away. You know? Damn, I hope that doesn't happen. I think we're going to have hot robots. I would love some hot robots. For those people, we're going to have hot robots. Imagine if you go over to Nana's house and fucking Tarzan's taking care of her. Yeah.

You open the door, there's a dude with a loincloth. Oh, no, no, no, no. Sweaty, like a little slightly dirty body. Yeah. That's grandma's Tarzan robot that's been just gorilla fucking her. See, we'll have to revisit. Yo, you know what, though? I saw a shorty on CNN last. I was randomly watching CNN.

And there was a lady who's an attractive lady, and she's like 60 years old on cnn some hot ladies out there that get old mary something and i'm like i mean we can revisit this in 20 years but i feel like i i definitely would can affirmatively say my relationship is not built around like how attractive wifey is even though she is I like what you're doing here. You're hedging your bets. I'm hedging my bets. Being smart. A disclaimer.

A little social disclaimer. Yeah. She is attractive. But I feel. I'm pretty assertive. That's not the most important thing. It's not the most important thing. I agree with you.

It's a big bonus. Right. Right. But she genuinely makes me better. Because I'm like. I don't listen to nobody. And it's. I listen to her. Because I respect her I don't listen to nobody And it's I listen to her

Because I respect her She's smarter than me But two She's one of the few people I know Cares about me Genuinely And is not self-interested So I listen

And that I get better Because I don't listen to nobody Sometimes you need somebody to listen to You need someone who has your best interest And someone who really does care about you Cuz we all got we can't see everything There's there's shit that a lot of people had said to me before but I only listen to her and I'm like damn

Yeah, I hate that term partner But you know only because two people use it and it's like stupid cultural sense. This is my partner Yeah, but on the other hand like like, they are like a partner. Like, someone who's a good husband or a good wife is a life partner. Yeah. It's very important. I would never introduce her as a partner. That's whack.

Yeah. It's just whack to me. This is my partner. Okay. We're never being friends. Yeah. Like, you're not eating it front to back if you're calling them partner. You're not eating it front to back if you're calling them partner.

Tim Kennedy told a story on this podcast about going to Starbucks, and he orders something, and he orders something for his wife. And the person, the barista, corrects him and says, your partner? And he goes, no, my wife. Like, what are you talking about? You can't decide what I call my wife. You can't change it. You mean your partner? Like, what are you doing? I You can't decide what I call my wife. You can't change it. You mean your partner?

Like, what are you doing? Am I being berated here? It's so silly. I respect it if other people, you want to do it, you want to say it, fine. But don't come in my house and tell me. That's the problem with this ideology shit. It gets in people and they think that they have the right to correct you and tell you what to do because you're not following along with their – like there is zero thing that's degrading about being a wife.

Zero. It doesn't have any definition to you other than the fact that you're married. That's it. It doesn't mean that you're not super successful, smart, make more money than the man. It doesn't mean anything. It just means you're the wife. You're the female in the relationship. For someone to correct you, like partner.

And I take pride in being her husband. I want you to call me your husband. And if you want to call me, you know, if I want to call you babe and you want to call me the conquistador, wonderful. You know what he's going to tell me not to. Partner? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck is this? Yeah, we're turning into fucking goons.

We're Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte. Yeah. Fucking partners, shut up. Yeah. You're lucky, though. I got lucky, and it seems like you got lucky, too. You can get lucky. And you can also, you know,

you got to be someone that someone wants to be with, too. That's what's hard. It's hard to, you know, get yourself to a point where you're not annoying. I'm working on not being annoying. I'm really trying. I'm learning. Yo, I was like, fuck, I'm annoying. And it's only because I care about her, you know?

Well, that's how you grow, right? When people you love think you're annoying, you go, ah, you're right, you're right, I'm sorry. Yeah. Gotta say it. She be expressing I'm annoying, and at first it's like feelings hurt. Then I'm like, ah, that was annoying. I would be annoyed too. What are you going to do?

Yeah. Well, hey, my brother, it was great catching up with you. I think we did like three and a half hours, right? Amazing. Yeah, it's fucking 4.48. Time flew. I gotta fly back. It was easy. When are you flying back? Tonight? Tonight, yeah. Oh, hey, my brother. It was great catching up with you. I think we did like three and a half hours, right? Amazing. Yeah, it's fucking 4.48. Time flew. I got to fly back. When are you flying back?

Tonight? Tonight, yeah. Oh, okay. Thank you for having me, man. My pleasure. Next time, I want to show you the club. Next time, come. I'll show you the club.

Yeah, I got to come. This was so much fun. We'll do it again. Yeah, thanks, bro. All right, buddy. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.