The Joe Rogan Experience - #1965 - David Choe

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

David Choe is an artist, entrepreneur, traveler, and host of the FX series "The Choe Show." Look for him in the new Netflix series "Beef", premiering on April 6.www.Davidchoe.com

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day hey what's happening can i give you a real hug yeah i always like to give you a gift. Um, so this is my like shroom mates, you know, our connection through psychedelics. That's beautiful. And I added this one train all day, all night. And then I got the, Oh, wow. Mushroom guy. I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with like some guy dunking on, you know, nice. I got a mushroom playing a mushroom drum set with, like, some guy dunking on, you know. Nice. I wanted to model it for you, but I want to give it to you.

Well, thank you very much. I don't know if it'll fit, but. I'm sure it'll fit. Here you go. Thank you. Yeah. There you go. And what is this fucking costume you're wearing underneath this?

Jesus Christ. Joe, I've been cruising Austin. All right. Where do I begin with this? Okay, where do I begin with this? Where do you begin with this? I touched down Austin yesterday, all right? This is what I, they're like. You touched down where in that or with the face?

I had this on and people were like, do you think they know I'm from LA? Do you think they know I'm from out of town? No, there's a lot of people here like that. Let me do a call out to the Asians really quick. Asians, if you're listening to all my gooks, all my jungle Asians, I've been here for 24 hours in Texas. Oh, my God. I found a kai bichin place, awesome sushi. There's like two banh mi places, a halo halo place. Like if you're listening this, I've done the reconnaissance. I was on my bike.

I went down Congress. I went through like, um, uh, Westlake. I rode all over town. Like it was the best. Like I had explosions in the sky playing. Um, I watched Friday night lights when I got back to my room. It's like, this place is, I saw explosions in the sky playing. I watched Friday Night Lights when I got back to my room. It's like, this place is, I saw, like, maybe two homeless people. I rode around the lake. Barbecue's great. Like, that was my concern, right? I think the last time I did your show, it was the week you were about to leave.

I talked to Jamie. He was like, you know, and I was like, this guy's not really going to, like, it's such a bold move and like, I didn't even, like, time has passed so quickly.

It's been like two years since I saw you. It's almost three. Shit, it's almost three, yeah. Yeah, I've been here almost three years.

It'll be three years. Well, it'll be three years, Jamie. In May, it'll be three years that I've looked. Yeah.

And then August when I moved here. so i'm i i look when people tell me how awesome austin is i don't know the rest of texas but like austin is like the vibe yesterday it's like the weather like everyone was out like what having picnics how many days you in town for uh i leave tomorrow if you want to like like i gotta want to show you the club oh i definitely want to show you the club but like i i was like checking out real estate on my bike just i was just i got a lady like this yeah and i gotta tell you man like of, like, come in hard like this because I want people to be like, and Austin's already weird, right? Yeah. And no one gives a fuck.

No one gives a fuck. Waiting an hour in line at Terry Black's like this, no one gives a fuck. Like, it's just like, it's like, there's not a ton of Asians. Not like I, like. There's Asian communities. There is. There is. But I'm

saying to the Asians listening it's it's a good place it's a I see very quickly why why you didn't go back after like you don't want to go back I'm not going back there's no traffic here the people are so friendly they're so nice yeah it's like everything about it I love there's so many artists here there's so many musicians here there's so many artists here. There's so many musicians here. There's so many comedians here now. It's fucking thick with comedians. Yeah, and you think I like dressing like this?

It's because I'm born and raised in L.A. I'd rather raise kids here and have them not look like this. Sorry, Mom. Fuck. This is your fucking fault. It's a great place to raise kids. It feels very artsy. Tons of art everywhere

and the deeper you get like the more you're here the more you'll see the more you'll see that more you experience that what is your threshold for compliments this morning oh generally not that good at them all right well i just have to tell you because i've once again like we don't talk very often but when we do and then like your voice is just on all the time because I got you playing. You're a great audio portrait artist. Like, the interviews you've done using, like, you've captured the essence, like, the way a painter captures. And it's, like, the best of that person, right? Like, of that celebrity or that scientist or whoever.

So you're a great audio portrait artist. Thank you. Just that, that move to like, be like, LA sucks and then lead the charge. And like, look, my driver, my driver, like I saw on the map that I was like a mile away and I told him to like drop me off because I just wanted to walk a little bit like this. And he's like, what do you mean? Like, how are you going to get there? I'm like, I'm going to walk.

Like, you're going to walk to the studio? I'm like, yeah. Like, walk to earth, motherfucker. You know? And walking, you know, going down South Congress, and, like, your presence is felt. Like, you've, like've like kind of changed like the comedy club thing. Oh my God. Like, that's amazing to, to like, try to get into a comedy club. Like it's gone full circle. Like you, like you've gone like from trying to get the spot at

the comedy club to now owning one. And you're like, I'm going to do it my way. And like all the things I didn't like. So that courage to like just cut your own path gives me courage. And I just want to say you're lovable. Oh, you're lovable too. You're loving. And you're just, you're love. Thank you. You are love.

So I just wanted to. I appreciate you, brother. I just wanted to say that. Yeah, I just, you know, I just follow my instincts. And my instincts were, first of all, to get the fuck out of L.A. I felt like it was just going to get worse. I felt like the way the government has run there, they're just drinking the same poison that got them sick,

and they're not going to change. And after all that defund the police shit and the chaos of shutting all the restaurants and bars and everything down from COVID for like a fucking year and a half. I was like, you people are incompetent and you're not going to ruin my life. I'm going to go someplace where you're more free. Yeah. And this was the first place that we went in May of 2020.

Right. And my kids loved it and my wife loved it. I was like, let's go. Let's fucking move. So a couple months later, I was here. And you don't seem to come back that often. I don't like it. I don't like going back.

It feels shitty when I'm landing. Too many people, man. I think when you get too many people in an area, you devalue people. You don't appreciate them as much. They become a hindrance. I live in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat. I'm not an athletic person. I have a baseball bat in in a pretty nice neighborhood in LA. I have a bat, a baseball bat. I'm not an athletic person. I have a baseball bat in my house. That's never hit a baseball.

It's only hit human flesh. Like it's like, it's like insane. If I like forget to close my garage one night, there's junkies in there. And I'm just like, maybe Austin is a nice starter place, but I'm trying to, I'm trying to like get out, get out. Like I'm looking in South America, I'm looking in, um, Asia, I'm looking in New Zealand, I'm looking in Africa. Jesus. Yeah. Like, so I mean, Costa Rica, Costa Rica for sure. Like, um, yeah. Cause I just, you're right. That whole thing about things being too populated. Oh, and I have to, like, before we, like, get into it, like, I have to, like, you came on my podcast, like, 15 years, something like that. Something crazy.

Something, like, way in the early, early pod days. And it was, like, so, and I've done your podcast a few times now. So, it's, like, I remember when it was live and I would leave your studio. And as soon as I left, people would be like, yo, that was great. I was like, oh shit, dude. So I always knew you had impact. But to come on your show the last time I came on, like two, three years ago, it's like standing on a soapbox with a microphone in front of the whole world. Like in three years, like not a day has gone by where

someone doesn't say something nice or say hey man like i was gonna kill myself and i heard that episode and it's like you changed my life and i'm like uh okay thank it feels weird right it's weird but in the way i mean jamie you could talk about it with like we do you do the show and then you chop it up into like clips right there's people out there that chop it into like tiktoks and reels and there's one where i talk about the hadza tribe the hunter-gatherer tribe that has 30 million views and i don't know what that monetizes into for like youtube or whatever but i think it's like it's like 50 60 grand so it's like the words are the in like you can like just this is it like someone could

get rich just like talking and doing this shit and so after after doing that show and i'm i'm just telling like my journey to africa and how i felt being with this hunter gatherer tribe it like literally just saved their lives like like, like the money that came in, the amount of people that donated to the Hadza, uh, the Maleka foundation, the, you know, the foundation people are calling me saying, what's happening right now? There's so, and like, this is like clean water for them. This is like, you know, education, clothes, like all these things. And I'm like, wow, you talk about something on Joe Rogan. It could like save a culture, you know?

And there was so much like the influencers that went out there. The guy with the red headband that eats all the crazy shit went out there. The liver king went out there. Logan Paul, I've never met the guy, calls me like, bro, take me to Tanzania. Like, so there's like insane, like, and if you guys are doing that, like, please, however much money you're making from getting those views, like all those views have like, all those videos have like millions of views. Please donate back to the Hadza because like they need it.

But yeah, I mean, the Rasuli, Shani, the guys that I know out there are like, the tourism is great. So it's like a thriving thing just cause I talked about it. And, uh, um, and like going off what you said, like, um, I helped make a film. I was the cameraman on this film called, uh, we are Hadza. If anyone out there wants, I just helped make it. It's just like the best documentary. It's like the first beginning to end baboon hunt and then skinning it, eating it. Like you feel like you're living that lifestyle. So I'm not trying to be like Harrison Ford in like a mosquito coast, but like, I think, uh, Austin is a good buffer

for the family. And then eventually I do want to fully go to kind of like, I'm not, who am I kidding? Like not fully hunter gather, but like fully like a culture where it's like not that many people. I know who all my neighbors are. I'm living like half like city life and half like there. So things are starting to steer towards going back to africa for me i mean i'm not even close yet i'm just saying like um i remember what was it about that spoke to you so much that you want to be there more often um well like art i'm an artist right and art is about expression and creating but if you're saying i'm a professional artist at some point there has to

be a conversation about business monetization making money and you know we could get into all the ai shit which is crazy but um you know i go i go to africa with the ego of like i'm an important artist you know like and i'm gonna like so i i my backpack is mostly art supplies. Right. And I get there and there's a cave that we're living in for like a few weeks. And like, you know, if the weather's nice, we sit and sleep on top of the cave. And if it's, you know, really raining or something, we sleep under the cave. And in the daytime when like the real men are like hunting, I'm like, I'll give art lessons to the kids, you know? And because the kids have no art training, they're just raw, you know, they're just, and it's just what they art training they're just raw you know they're just

and it's just what they here's a bow and arrow and they're just drawing like and the drawings are like amazing and I'm drawing them in my mind I'm like these are going to be like museum pieces or like I'm going to archive them when I get home and put out a book and like donate all the money back to them and so we spend the whole day drawing and i'm like these are like some of the best pieces of art i've ever because it was fun it was like in nature it's with these guys that are not trained you know and it's and i'm looking at it and i'm like holding it like this not to like you know smudge it or anything and they're like yeah and then the the tribe comes back they're covered in blood they you know they got an animal and i'm like look at this art we made

and i'm like oh that's cool and we're on top of the cave and they're like cool and they throw it off the cave i go wait wait i'm like wait what are you doing with that i could have and i go oh yeah hunter like they don't have anything yeah they they don't like what do they have a flat file up there like and i was like oh like it just hit me so hard in that moment they're so present it's not about like oh I'm I'm living in the moment and then I gotta like go home and edit it and like you know do it's just like we did it we love it and bye-bye it's a piece of paper in the window and I was like uh you know and there was one that I drew, like, you know, and I had a sketch and I was like spending a lot of time. I was like, I'm going to try it too. And I threw it off the

cliff and I was like, more of this, like more of this. Like I want this thing where you just live and it is what it is and less like anxiety, stress, how am I going to make money off this? And, and it's just, they're so happy. And look, I spent a lot, a lot of time with them and I go back as much as I can. Um, so yeah, to, to, to see them, like, you know, all the YouTubers that went out there and I'm like, oh, there's, there's Shawnee and Nona and Gunkida. And I'm like, fuck, there are like many celebrities now. I mean. I don't know, like I feel like every time I go back to Africa, whether it's like Congo or Tanzania, which are like two completely different, you know. or Tanzania, which are like two completely different, you know.

I remember when I went to the Congo the first time I was 1918 to 1995. That was when you filmed that thing for Vice where you're looking for dinosaurs? No, the first time I went is when I went to look for the dinosaur by myself. And then Vice saw that I wrote an article about that, and they sent me back like 10 years later when i was 20 25 or something really but i remember finding a missionary deep deep deep in the jungle and he's like bro you think you're the first one i was like what do you mean he's like you think you're the first like lost soul that's come here looking for dinosaurs and i'm like i'm like i'm not he's like he's like i've been here for 20 years

like living with these people like every five years a weirdo like you comes through and do you think you're really looking for the dinosaur and I'm like yeah I'm looking for a dinosaur he's like no you're looking for something else you're either running from something else or you're looking for some kind of meaning in your life that you can't find. So this is, you've pushed yourself to this, you know? And I'm like, fuck, dude. You trying to get deep with me, bro? So, yeah, I mean, I go back to Africa and, like, it's hard for me to talk about this stuff without, like, sounding cringe

or people, I don't know. It's like, let's look at life as a video game, right? Like as someone who's like heavily, heavily addicted to video games and like born into a super, super Christian kind of background, right? Like if you are in any kind of like strict uh religion organized religion growing up jewish catholic muslim whatever um it's kind of like being born into a video game because it's like it's it's very binary right there's heaven and hell especially if it's christian and so you have to live a certain way you got to get certain amount of points

to have everlasting love you know peace joy and then if you don't, like, you're fucked. And you're, okay, for how long? How much before I can respond? Like, forever. And you're like, wait, that's a long time, you know? And I'm like, fuck, man. And so I don't subscribe to any organized religion. I consider myself a spiritual person. But without making light or trying to be disrespectful,

the things that I tried to figure out, like a game, like a video game, was sex, money, power. As an artist, I had subscribed to the starving artist like type right it was like top ramen you know holes in your clothes like like homeless like I was like that is what a real artist is until I met a successful artist until I I was like oh shit like you can have a manager and an agent in an office and like, you can like not starve. And, and I remember at that point I was in my early twenties. I was like, man, people sure like talk about money a lot, right? Like it seems to be like this thing that causes a lot of

problems in marriages and business. And I go, it doesn't seem that hard to me as some, and I'm saying this as a guy in my twenties, that's poor. I'm like, what if I just like try to be as rich as possible for the next 10 years or five years? Like, what if that's my singular focus? And so I did it and it, you know, it was a lot of work, but like the video game for, of money is over for me now. Right. Like I, like at every industry, of money is over for me now right like i like at every industry gambling the stock market um like even like people go oh that's like this korean force gump and he just he was like this um like this uh homeless guy that like that got lucky with facebook i'm like that was like a lot of work to make that happen you know um and i was already kind of wealthy when I made that deal,

but people like to tell that story. So I made millions of dollars gambling. I made millions of dollars with my art. I made millions of dollars with Facebook. And it was a lot of hard work, but I'm like, it's kind of, if I wanted to, you tell me how cringe I sounded and I'll just stop. But I'm like, it's not going to be that hard for me to become a billionaire at a certain level, right?

Like I've amassed hundreds of millions. I'm like, if that's my goal now, if that's my video game, and then I know billionaires. I mean, Sean Parker and Mark being the most, but I know tons of like secret billionaires, right? And I go, I don't want any of their lives. I don't want any of like. It's just go, I don't want any of their lives. I don't want any of like – But it's just money. You don't have to have their life to have money. Right.

And you don't have to think about money if you have it. Right. The problem with money is people become obsessed with it because it's so difficult to attain. And there's so much societal value put on being wealthy. Right. That it becomes the thing instead of a thing. I mean, I have a friend that has like hundreds of billions of dollars. Hundreds of billions?

Hundreds of billions. Like one of the, you know. I have one too. Yeah. And you know how weird those guys are, right? They're weird guys. And I'm pretty close with them. He's not just like a, you know how weird those guys are right weird guys and and i'm pretty close with them he's not just like a you know and i said we're having dinner and i was like i'm feeling confident

i was like give me one he's like what i was like give me one one billion and he's like i don't understand yeah i was like give me one billion he's like i was like motherfucker you know i don't need it like you know i'm not gonna go buy. Like, you know, I'm not going to go buy cars and houses. He's like, what do you want to, what do you want to do with that? He's like, Dave, I don't know if you know how money works. You don't just go up to someone and ask them for a billion. I go, motherfucker, I just did. And he's like, well, do you have a plan? Are you going to show me charts and graphs? I was like, no, it's all going to be instinct. I will take that 1 billion. And he's like, dude, you got to come to me with like,

I'm not saying no, but you got to have a better, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have like, how are you going to, I go,

I promise you, I will spend it like, like the most irresponsible possible. Like it'll be like exactly. Cause most of these people that have billions, they're like geniuses and they spent, everything is down to a fraction and they, they just grind and crunch numbers in their brain. And that's not how I think. I think very abstract, I think.

And I go, I'm going to do stuff that on paper makes absolutely no sense. And I promise you, I will change the planet with that money. Like, I'm going to do shit that. And then he was like he was he didn't say no, but he was thinking it over. And he's like, dude, there's like there's's no way my money guys are going to do this. And then I sat there, and I thought about it, because money is power. I was like, dude, I don't want a billion dollars. I don't want that responsibility. And ultimately, he was like, eh, no.

And I was like, thank you. So it was just a wild thought. Yeah. Spontaneous. Yeah. If he had given it to me, I would have been like those weird people. I was like, I don't want to touch that. I don't want to touch that.

You would have tried it out for a while. Right. You would have tried it out for a while, and then you would have gone back those weird people. I was like, I don't want to touch that. I don't want to touch that. You would have tried it out for a while. Right. You would have tried it out for a while, and then you would have gone back to being you. Right. And then so that game, that video game of money has no – it's not fun for me anymore. So years ago, like 2009 was my last art show where I actually sold stuff for money. And I didn't feel good. It was like my galler Steve Lazaridis is like Banksy's guy.

And he's like, Cho, you're on fire. Street art's on fire right now. What do you want to do? I go, it's going to be in LA. It has to be in LA. It has to be on Rodeo Drive. It has to be on the most expensive street in the world and I want like every celebrity there and like you know and so it did it happened it's

like it was a show in Beverly Hills all the celebrities came all the fancy people came I sold all the art and the next day I didn't feel any different. And then at that point, the artist gets objectified to like just, I got a Basquiat. I got a Cho. I got a Banksy. And I'm like, the guy that's buying my art that can afford it, he doesn't care about the art. He just wants to, like it's a dick contest, right? He just wants to show off like, hey, I got a Cho. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's not what the universe wants for me to like just make expensive stuff.

So at that point, I told my manager and everyone I work with, I'm like, everything now is free. Like painting with kids, painting with guys just out of jail, painting with at risk youth, murals, museum, anything where it's free. That's what I'm about. I'm not, you know, or if I like, like someone, I'll just trade or give it to them, but I'm not selling shit anymore. So that kind of like ended like, you know, and then I had, uh, finance guys and everything about wealth management is about how to preserve wealth and make more money. And I go, uh, let's do like a Monte Carlo simulation and figure out when I'm going to die by my lifestyle of how I live and let's get it down so that I have zero by the time I'm done. Like I want to, and they're like, so every business decision I've made since I've made that decision is I just lose money.

I just lose money. And then, um, the video game of sex, which I wasn't very good at, is age 0 to 30. I'd been with 5, 6, maybe 7 girls. And they were all, like, long-term kind of relationships. There was no, like, one-night stands. And then at that point, like, 29, 30, I was like, I'm really not good at this. Like, I don't got any game I'm not and um like the same way if you saw me in my 20s as like a street urchin like street kid and and he's like I'm gonna be the richest artist in the world you'd be like you know what the odds of that happening are

like it's it's ridiculous in the same way and, not to sound vulgar or, you know, objectify women, but that's what I did at that age. I was young and I was like, um, I'm tired of the Asians or like sexless, small dick, you know, the, the math nerd. Like I want to fuck the most amount of women as possible. And that was even more ridiculous than me saying, I want to be the richest artist. And then, and then I just went on a tear for a decade, right? Like I just, it was awkward at first. And then, um, like a video game at the end, a combination of like, like a comedian working out their material. Right. And with the oncoming social media and all the you know internet stuff i could figure out

on the dates i've been on which material killed like what what did i say to make what girl laugh and you know and and i would have all those like a crazy person like in my notes folders and i could say the perfect combination of words to make a girl laugh or like so using everything at my disposal anything like money uh uh you know fun a charm like jokes uh power like i'll get you on this thing or like just queuing in on what is it that you want and i can get you that and you know i was sleeping with multiple women a day and I was like this like you would never believe I okay not you I would never believe what I was doing like I was every night tens tens tens like Victoria's Secret models a

list celebrities just like I was like whoa whoa whoa and you know I got to a point where I was like I wasn't my friends and I debate of they're like you're you were like a week away from sucking dick and I was like I was like it's probably like more like two days away because it just gets there right like I was just like in rooms like having threesomes group sex and I was, I'm an artist. I should, you know, and my parents were convinced I was like, I was in a car, uh, going to an art show, uh, with my parents in Mexico city. And my mom, you know, she's like completely invested in my career. And she's like, Hey, you know, um, Andy Warhol used to do like 10, 20 pushups. And then his mom would give him

like a snicker bar. And I was like, that's an interesting fact mom i didn't know that and he was gay and i was like oh okay cool you know leonardo da vinci when he used to go out like he would no one would know he's an artist he wouldn't have like a speck of paint on him and i was like oh i didn't know that mom and he was gay and i was like what what where's this going and then my dad's in the front driving he's like he's not gay i told you he's not gay and my mom's like you know we. And my mom's like, you know, we're Christian and you know, but we know that you're an artist and we know you haven't brought a woman home in like 10 years. Um, so just, it's okay. You could come out of the closet. And I was like, and I was like, I, I like, I love being gay so much. Like I, I'm not like, I just, I almost wish I was right. Like I, like, I love being gay so much. Like, I, I'm not, like, I just, I almost wish I was, right? Like, I, when I play, like, Dungeons and Dragons or a role-playing game or, or, uh, RPG, like, video game or anytime I act or do anything that's, like, online or, like, a game, I always want to be a gay guy. Like, I just love it. I love that feeling. I want feeling I want to play gay guys if you know and but I just don't love dick. I want to I want to love it

But I just I will why do you want to I I just like Part of it is like I my shame makes me shameless and like I like it when it hurts kind of thing like I just I Got close where there was a transsexual woman. I think her name was, like, her penis was right here. And I was like, it's right there. I should just, like, at least lick it or touch it. At least just to say I tried it.

And I could say I didn't like it or I did like it. But I just couldn't. I was like, I was so bored. Not of just pussy or women or whatever. I just was bored of. The endeavor. Of that. And then then you know

you meet people and everyone has their game like Hollywood people like I get that Emmy or that Oscar or you know and so I I like pick the game I want to play money pow and then it's like I sit here and the thing that I learned the number one important lesson from gambling is get out while you're ahead. It's like I love how much money I have right now. Like it's the perfect amount. I love that. Like I have no regrets. Like I've had sex with so many different women that like I'm just I don't need that anymore.

I could be a monk for the rest of my life if I want to, you know, like. And so there's only one final quest and that's the spiritual quest right and that's where like people say shit like the answer is love and it's like it is right like like um like there will be shit there's shit that we talked about before we start recording that we can't and then there will be shit that we talk about later and and we live in this world now where it's like it's a crazy world right and the answer is love and everyone says it and it's in movies and it's in books but it's what does that path look like and so i go towards where i feel that and And I feel that in Africa, when I go to Africa, I feel that like

in my soul to my bones. And, you know, I, I look like this in Austin and no one judges me. Like you would think going to Africa, the places I go where there's no Asians that they would say shit, but they don't, they just accept me. They call me brother. They take me in, they show me their lives and they're like, you're just part of our tribe now. And I'm like, take me in, they show me their lives and they're like, you're just part of our tribe now. And I'm like, it makes me want to cry, you know? So, and the fact that, you know, I have this beautiful relationship with you and, you know, you let me talk about this stuff and then those words get to, you know, like, I don't know, Logan Paul, that guy calls me up right after the show. He's like, take me to Africa, bro. Take me. I'm like take me i'm like okay you know like and and it's

just it's just a tremendous thing and then you know we we made this film and it's you know it's it's like the best documentary i've ever seen so if anyone like uh wants to see a trailer or it's we are hadza the malecca foundation uh is it available the whole thing like here's my it's done like it's done it's like I'll send you a link if you want to watch it like it's amazing but I I'm I'm it's like um last last time I came on here I had made a tv show like I do everything backwards right like like some some like the normal way to get a show on and this is i definitely want to ask you about this the normal way you get a show on tv is you pitch it right you come up with an idea but like things don't

cost that much anymore i mean i'm speaking from a rich guy so i know what that sounds like but compared to what it used to cost right like you don't if you have a nice camera and you got a good editing thing like much cheaper like the the movie that just won the oscar everything everywhere all at once is like my favorite movie i had like six guys doing the the special effects and then you have you know top gun not top gun but like all these other movies that have like when you see the credits at the end it's like thousands of like Korean names. You're like, so you can do things relatively cheaply compared. Right. So I made the show on FX called the Cho Show and I made it exactly the way I want. And, and, um, you know,

like some, you know, whatever, something got cut. There was some notes. And that's where I get stuck a lot of times. Right. Because no one tells me what to do when I paint. I could do whatever the fuck I want. But when it comes to media, there's a bigger audience. People are more sensitive. People can get triggered triggered this and that so a lot of decisions made in hollywood are fear-based decisions and i don't i don't live my life that way yeah well they're platform-based decisions right so the problem is you're an artist but the people that distribute the stuff are not artists right they're executives and money people right and all those money people they look at you and they go well david chow is very popular. He's very eccentric. This might work. We might be able to make money. And then they start thinking about new cars they're going to buy and new houses they're going to buy.

They don't think about it the way you think about it. So the problem with being in business with people like that is business. That's the problem. You just try and create something cool. Yeah, you're like – because there is really – like Atlanta is a great show. Rami is a great show. There's great shows. Oh, there's great shows. But then you're like at the end, they're still trying to sell refrigerators with the advertising.

Right. Yeah. But not always. I mean, generally that's the case. But there's a lot of people that create those shows that aren't trying to do that. And then someone else is pitching it to the network and someone's smart enough to leave that fucking guy alone. Right. And a lot of times it's just because something is just so successful like South Park for instance, right?

Comedy Central 100% would fuck South Park up if they brought it to them right now They'd be like, what are you gonna do? Right you hold on you're gonna shove Paris Hilton up a gay teacher's ass on TV No, right. No, you can't do that. What are you gonna do? You're gonna draw Muhammad, right? You're gonna have Muhammad dressed as a teddy bear inside of a Brinks truck, right? No, no, you can't do that. What are you going to do? You're going to draw Muhammad? Are you going to have Muhammad dressed as a teddy bear inside of a Brinks truck? No, no, you can't do that. But they're so big and they've been around for so long. They can get away with it even in one of the most restrictive and goofy climates in media. media so they they've become big enough so they could do that so it's it has to be someone you know whoever it is where they just leave you the fuck alone and that's very very rare but if you just want to distribute something on youtube you can kind of do whatever the fuck you want you can make something pretty incredible it's it's i just helped like produce and like i was the cameraman so it's not my film but i'm like it i i'm gonna have to talk to you about this because it's like i want people to see it because it's all the proceeds we're gonna donate back to the to the hadza but it's like like paco returta

who's like the best you know he him. He's in the Philippines. He made the show show. He's the one that edited this thing. And I don't, like it's not my movie. I'm just like there to help. There it is. Oh, there it is. So the full length feature film is just, oh, that's just a trailer. This is just a trailer.

I'll send you the link to it. But like, yeah, that's Nona. He looks so funny. You're not going to see any of like yeah that's nona he looks so funny you're not gonna see any of the that's hannah sparkman the filmmaker wow she's yeah i mean i was immediately drawn to them i'll put it i'll put it like this joe like what is america's appetite or or um to see like it's not you're not going to see it in the trailer but like they catch a pregnant baboon right they rip the belly open the baby the fetus of the baboon falls out and as second it hits the ground 10 dogs tear it to pieces then they love the protein or what's it what's the brain made out of like um but like it's that's i'm not a nutrition that's like they know like they

instinctually they know that has like fat or something in it so it's like the delicacy like the the animal like looks human then they tear through it and like, there's a lot of fat. So it's like the delicacy. Like the animal like looks human. Then they tear through it and like I go in a cave and it's white, right? The brain is like white and gray. And I shine a flashlight because I hear like, I hear that noise. And I turn the flashlight on and I see like 10 dudes like fighting each other to like scoop as much brain and there's white shit all over their face. And then as they drop the skulls on the ground there's a baby playing drums on the on the baboon skull heads and i'm like this is the this is the craziest shit i've ever seen in my life

and i don't know if this is an x this is how people survive yes but i don't know if that's just too much i don't know if people i don't think it's too much it's it's real and you know that that's how those people have been surviving for a long time it's it's natural as bizarre as it seems it's natural yeah because we have a really hard time with people eating primates right my friend steve ranella he filmed a show in south america and he was with this hunter-gatherer tribe in South America. I forget what the name. See if you can find the name of the tribe. I think they were in Guyana, and they killed a monkey and ate it, and he had some of the monkey.

And it was like it's very, you're very conflicted. It's very strange. It's a primate i mean it's it's like like imagine if you were in a different world right and just imagine this and you go to a place where there's a friendly group of cannibals and they have been hunting one specific type of person. Maybe like pale-skinned blonde people are the most delicious. Yeah. And they just chase down these, you know,

these kind of savage-looking, pale-skinned, blonde-haired people and cook them and eat them. They don't eat anybody else. They just eat pale, blonde. Albinos. Yeah.

And these people are wild-looking people. They're wearing leaves over their dicks, and they're running around barefoot. So you can kind of detach. You're there with your Air Force Ones on. I'm not the same as them. This is different. But this is kind of what it's like when we're eating primates because we're eating our history. Well, I mean, so that's what I'm saying.

The visuals. Yeah. It's intense. primates because we're eating our history well I mean so that's what I'm saying the visuals yeah when they can tell them when they throw the monkey on the fire that's how they get the fur off yeah and he's like this yeah and it looks like the crucifix on fire I'm like you and you see the skull I'm like yeah it looks human right and then there was that was it you this head or was it Rinella that said one of the things that freaked him out was when the arrow hit him, he grabbed it with his hand. Oh, that was, I think I told you that story. That's crazy. Part of the thing is, this is the only documentary where I think, I've never seen it on YouTube,

where we filmed the baboon hunt from beginning to end. And it's like, monkey's running. Fuck you. Like, what he's screaming sounds like, fuck you. And then a dog gets his nutsack and rips it off. And then you're running and you see the nutsack on the ground. And I'm like, what is this? And they're like, keep that.

That's nutritious. That's, like, the prize, like, the top hunter gets that. I'm like, all right. And then you're just running and running. And then, like, they get him. And then he's grabbing the arrow and the dogs are just ripping his stomach out. And he's like, fuck. Oh, my God.

It's like a oh my god but baboons are so weird too because they're almost like a like a cross between a primate and a dog like to have that long face yeah like almost like a wolf's face yeah i mean when their teeth are bared it's they're a wild looking creature and and like you know once again like i only went on a few hunts i wasn't like considered too manly manly because i was just i couldn't hang yeah so i'm back with the the women and children and like i'm teaching the kid how to play drums on on like baboon skulls there's like maggots coming out of the nose and i'm like hey there's like that kid shouldn't be playing there's maggots and then she goes and she just eats them and i'm like oh my god there's there's nutrition in that too i'm like holy fuck you know and then um there is a a serial killer a japanese serial killer that

wrote a book about which human like he's like french people are buttery like like did you you know that you know i'm talking about jamie there's like that dude and speaking as a cannibal myself like i don don't know culturally – I don't know if you did this when your kids were born. Like there's cultures that eat the placenta. I did not, but my uncle did it. So am I a cannibal if I eat the placenta? I mean I'm eating – Well, sort of.

Yeah, that guy. Yeah, and then he talks about like how different races taste different. That guy goes on TV and jokes around about it. He pretends to bite people. He killed someone and ate them, right? Yeah, a lot. He ate two French girls, I think. I don't know.

How is he out on the street? He killed his friend Renee Harttevelt and ate her remains, yet he's free to walk the streets to this day. How is that possible? Do they just have different ways of prosecuting people in Japan? I mean, you don't want to. He's reformed? Are you going to say he's reformed?

Psychiatric hospital loophole. Oh, loophole. Jesus Christ, though, dude. I mean, that is a crazy situation. A guy killed a woman and ate her, and he's just wandering around amongst us. He even starred in a softcore porn where he reenacts and bites actors. Oh, Jesus Christ. So, yeah, I mean.

Look at this. And throughout his life, he's been chillingly unrepentant. Yeah. When he discusses his crime, it's as if he believes it's the most natural thing in the world, and he plans to do it again. Jesus Christ, man. He wrote manga about it? Jesus Christ. That guy's wandering around saying he's going to do it again? Well,, man. He wrote manga about it. Jesus Christ. That guy's wandering around saying he's going to do it again. Well, OJ is walking around, but OJ lies at least.

I know. Um, but, but yeah, if we were all hungry, we would all do the same thing. I ate my wife's placenta and then like, I don't know, it's the jury's out whether it's actually does anything, but we've been doing it as humans for, like, thousands of years. So any of my friends whose wives get pregnant, I go, hey, if you guys are going to throw it out, I'll take it. So I have a freezer full of human placenta. And keeping this guy, I go, if my friend's wife is, like, Indian, you know, is it, like, have a different flavor than if it's a white person or if it's a Korean person or a black person? And, yeah, I mean, that's just, I don't know, like crime scene of Jamie. Come on, bro. Oh my God. This is meal. Please take that away. Take that away. I need to look at plates of human flesh. Fuck.

I mean, you've been to my... There's a giant difference between that and someone, obviously, who's hunting a primate for food. Right. But there's just a thing that we have where it's closer to that than, like, eating a fish. Like, eating a fish is very far removed from us. Like, people don't even mind if you show photos. Well, the thing is, in this particular area, with specifically the Hadza, it is Baboon because that's all that's left. Yeah.

Like, when I, I think I told you the last time, the oldest guy in that village is like, we used to kill everything. Elephants, cheetahs, lions, everything. But they're just all, like, close to extinction now that that's the last of us that's there. And it's totally like, we're in's totally like we're in a cave. They're in a cave.

Yeah. They run like this. We run like this. Like it's fucking bizarre. It's really hard when you're talking about this because I don't see a way for that culture out as as humans expand. Well, I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer to it. But what even when we go there, we let them decide. Right.

We're like, we raise this money. I, you know, I work with the Maleka Foundation or even this movie. If it makes money, we're going to, we don't go, this is what you should be doing. Like, we're sending them, those kids are like, we want to go to school to get educated so that we can, like, use words. And, like, there's one guy named Shawnee, and he's like, did I tell you this last time? Probably, but it's OK. He's like the only like some white lady took an interest in him. So this is straight up Crocodile Dundee.

Like he is like he can like run up a tree and kill a squirrel with his like rip his head off and eat it. But he's the only one that went to law school. So he speaks Swahili hadzabe um english right so he can wear like a suit and tie and then still have like the hadza headband and he's the only one that um has ever as far as i know that was able to get all the proper paperwork to to leave to come to the u. So he stayed at my house when he came and I got him a shrimp. I took him to like every like insane restaurant. He'd never been in a swimming pool. He swam in my pool for like seven hours. He was like trying to drink the chlorine. I was like, dude, don't drink that. I took him to Fogo to chow. And he was like, leave the sword. You know, they brought

out the shrimp cocktail and he was like, oh, you guysion i'm like bro that's not score it was like everything everywhere i took him he would eat it with his hands like at these like gourmet restaurants and he's like and like grease is just going down his arm and it was like he he had like the best time but he's like i'm so glad i went to law school so now i have the tools to go fight for my people. And I don't know what the answer is, but yeah, it's like, that's an amazing story. I want, how, how alien must it be to a person to see an entire pool filled with water that they can't drink? Dude, these people are drinking out of puddles in that document that you showed. Going up the escalator. Like, yeah.

But you showed these people drinking out of puddles and imagine they're looking at this crystal clear water and they can't drink it. You're telling them they can't drink it. Right. What are we doing with chlorine? How bad is that shit for your skin? Dude, it's the worst, man. It can't be. Is chlorine bad for you?

Like chlorine from the pool? I don't. How could it be good for you? I have the rich guy pool now. Salt water. No. It's the next one. Oh, the next one. Oxygenated pool. Oh, water. No, it's the next one. Oh, the next one.

Oxygenated pool. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's fancy. Really? How do they do that? Dude, I don't, like, I go to another rich guy's house and I say, oh, and they go, oh, you have chlorine? Dude, you got to get a salt. I go, okay, I'll just do whatever you tell me.

And they go, we got the salt water pool. And then I go to another rich guy's house and they go, I went to Sia's place. And she's like, oh, I have the oxygenated pool. I'm like, all right, give me his number. So it's like if the whole system, the power grid, everything goes down, you could drink out of that pool. There's no chlorine in it. That's awesome. I think the best water that feels like ocean water feels the best.

Yeah. Like when you swim in ocean water, there's something about ocean water where it's not just water. It feels alive. It feels like you're dipping into an ecosystem. You're not in a Petri dish. Like a swimming pool feels like a Petri dish. You ever snort it? Snort?

Ocean water? Yeah. What do you think the answer to that question is? I don't know. Like, but you. I mean, accidentally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got it up my nose accidentally, but I didn't snort it for effect, though.

I'm not trying to do it, like, but like, there was, you know, when I meet old healthy people, I always ask them, like, what's your secret? And he said, I snort salt water, like, when I go swimming. Oh. And he takes a little bit in his hand and he swims and he goes and it goes it goes it burns like this and he goes and this guy swears by it he's like i fucking love it i'm like all right you know so i tried it it did burn well isn't that a lot like a neti pot like yeah people do do that to clean their nose out right yeah i read about someone who had like, this might be propaganda.

This might be against the neti pot industry. But there was someone was using a neti pot and they got a brain, some sort of a parasite. And they died. There's always going to be like, right? There's always going to be. We should live in fear. That's what I'm saying. We should just live in fear.

I snort salt water. I've been in Seattle. Is it real? Yeah. What is it? So someone in Seattle, they just snort. A man dies of a brain-eating amoeba, possibly from rinsing his sinuses with tap water. This one is in Florida.

Oh, that's in Florida. So there's more than one. You heard Steve-O's bit about this, right? No, but if that shit gets in your brain from tap water, like, what about when you swallow it? Alright, you saw You have to boil it? You saw the Hadza drinking the brown water, right? Yes. It's not, that

water has, like, cow poop in it, and, like, it's disgusting, right? When I met Steve-O, he's, like, his family traveled a lot when he was younger, and he said, when he goes to other countries, they always tell you, don't drink the water in Mexico. And he'd always do it. And so he'd get like crazy diarrhea, get sick.

But now he says he has the most insane like gut biome. And he never gets sick now, which like he seems like he should be dead and he isn't. And so the Hadza have a very similar thing with them. They have an insane micro gut biome like like the most diverse ever So by like if I drink that shit that brown water, I'd be dead. Yeah, I'd be fucked You know, do you know Joel Salatin is mmm Joel Salatin is he's one of those guys who's He he does these farms where all the animals on the foot

It's called poly face farms all the animal on the farm, it's called polyface farms, all the animals on the farms, they all work together. It's called regenerative agriculture. Yeah. So there's no pesticides, no herbicides, and it's all just about moving the animals around and having them,

and he drinks out of the cattle, those fucking buckets where the cows drink, those long- The trough. The trough, trough yeah he drinks the water out of that for his own gut biome all right so okay this is you're the perfect guy to you know you know i'm a like you've offered to give me on it shit but i just buy all of that stuff anyways like in the same way with the oxygen oxygen pool, there's like, you live a life very similar to mine where sometimes we meet people and they go, hey, man, if I had your money, this is what I would do, right?

They tell you what they would do, right? So at one point, I'm sitting there winning the video game of money and I go, you came to my warehouse years ago, right? Yeah. I'm like, I had this like 20, 30,000 square feet. Dope spot downtown. That was dope. I was like, damn, this is how famous artists should live. This is fucking badass.

It was badass. I was like, yeah. Because if I went over your house and it was like Ikea furniture or some shit, it would be so boring. But you lived exactly how I would hope that you lived. Yeah, and I loved it. I bought every car that you lived. Yeah. And I loved it. I bought every car that I want. I just got everything I wanted. And I said, there's something that, you know, so as a rich guy, I should have the best everything.

So because I want to live, you know, the longest. So I had state of the art. And I think this is 15 years ago or more. Like you're the first person to ever tell me about float tank. You're like, here's my float tank guy i had the float tank i had the uv spa i had everything i had the ice bath all the shit i had the best most expensive weights the smoothie that i'm having every morning is like a thousand dollars i don't know if it's a thousand but it has placenta human placenta it has two eggs shell on not washed banana banana sticker on shell on

shell on i saw arnold schwarzenegger do it so um banana peel on like a whole bitter melon like the most disgusting shake ever like every single powder at arowan that costs like a hundred dollars the three hundred dollar like uh honey the manuka honey uh siberian cedar pine oil like every single thing that someone says is good i it tastes like shit and i just down it and i i have like the 600 trainer that shows up to my house and i realized like it was kind of like i'm i'm gonna live long and be healthy but like it felt lonely I'm paying a guy to be here. Um, and like the thing that I was missing in my life was accountability. Cause there was no, like, I'm like, I want a life where I have no accountability. I want to be like a kid.

I want to be Robin hood or a Peter Pan forever. And so people were like, Oh, if money will keep you accountable. If you're paying someone 600 bucks an hour hour, you're definitely going to show up to that appointment. I'm like, no, I'm not. So I found this guy, this rogue trainer that my friend was like, I know a guy. And I was like, well, what's this guy? The money thing is not going to. He's like, he hits you. Hits you?

Yeah, he hits you. You got to sign a contract and stuff. And it's like, are you okay? Because this is, and he only has like You got to sign a contract and stuff. And it's like, are you okay? Um, cause this is, and he only like has like three clients and they're all super, he's like, you will do,

you will get into shape, but you have to sign this thing that says I'm allowed to come over to your house. You have to give me a key to your house. Oh my God. And so like, and for someone like me who likes pain, I'm like, I don't give a fuck,

you know? And so I missed my first, like I missed, dude, not exaggerating. I missed it by two minutes. You know? And so I missed my first, like, I missed, dude, not exaggerating, I missed it by two minutes. Like, I had to be there. He runs up the stairs and my mom happened to be stopping at my house to drop off kimchi. So she

sees a guy, a huge guy, Russian guy, run up the stairs and start pummeling my sternum. And she screams like, ah! And I was like, ah! I was like, mom, I paid this guy to do this. Oh, my God. And that scared the shit out of me.

My mom almost had a heart attack. I was like, Mom, Mom, Mom, I'm sorry. And then I sat there, and I was like, this ain't it. This ain't it, you know? And I don't want to give away my exact location, but currently know this might be going further the complete opposite side of the spectrum but

I go to the like one of the shittiest 24 hour fitnesses in LA I mean there's a guy popping zits and shaving his neck and wiping his ass in the sink there's always a homeless guy in the sauna doing pushups like it feels like a lot of homeless guys have the past to this one and

they just go there to like shower up there's always someone about to like looking like like they're about to give a hand job in the showers or like in the sauna and once in a while i get recognized or whatever but i go there with my friends. It's communal. Like, I don't know. And I'm like, I don't know if this is it either. So it's like, it's either running top speed to hunt food with the Hadza, the super, super rich guy program on this side, the kind of like, you know, showering with homeless guys and getting handjobs at the 24 hour fitness. And I'm like, I want, you know, like, I want to, I have a you know like i want to i have a family now i want to like have a healthy life where i live but just i haven't found the thing that speaks to me the

most is the moving to africa right now maybe not africa africa but like close by where i get to be in like a not populated area where I'm closer to nature. And, um, I mean, like once again, dude, only here for only been here for like one, one night already.

But Austin is just, I mean, it's just amazing. Like this is, we should probably stop talking about it. Too many people are moving here. Yeah. And I don't know if they want people that look like this moving here.

It's a, it's a very it's interesting one of the what the thing they always say about austin is keep austin blue and surrounded so like what keeps it in check is it's surrounded by real texas like real country texas but austin the city is very progressive super progressive and i think it's a perfect combination because I think the two of them balance each other out and keeps everything in check. Progressive people in Austin are much more reasonable than a lot of the progressive people that I met in LA. It's just a generalization for sure. It's definitely an anomaly. They're Texas people. There's a deeply rooted independence in this state that

came from how difficult it was to settle. Yeah. Like this, there's this fucking amazing book. Um, the, uh, Comanche book. What is the name of it? Jamie? Empire of the Summer Moon. Empire of the Summer Moon.

It's a fucking insane book about the Comanche who lived here. It's one of the best books I've ever read. I've read it twice. All right, I'm going to check that out. It's really good, dude. And it's all about the history of this state was so difficult to conquer because the Comanches were, they were the best at riding horses and they were best at raising horses out of all the Native American tribes. And so they had these massive stock horses out of all the native american tribes and so they had these massive stockpiles of horses yeah and they would ride on the horses and shoot arrows

before the guys could get off a second shot because the whole thing about old school guns like muskets it was like this exactly they kept the arrows in their fingers and they would fire them off one at a time i can't that shit? I can't do that. No. That's like Hawkeye. Yeah, that's crazy shit. But they could do it. There's a dude that does it, though, Lars Anderson guy.

Faster than shooting a gun. Yeah. Check out this guy. There's this guy. We've had him on before, but he's actually bringing back these old methods that people actually forgot, mostly based on artwork. these old methods that people actually forgot, mostly based on artwork. Like he's looking at these artist renditions of guys with multiple arrows in their fingers.

Whoa. Yeah, so that was about Empire of the Summer Moon, right? All right, I got it. It's in there. But when you see him do it, it's really impressive. Oh, shit. Watch how he can do this oh shit oh shit yeah so he's got them all stacked up there and he's just lining them all up one at a

time all right i got it i'm gonna come to austin i'm gonna learn how to shoot like that i'm gonna like take you'd have to meet that guy i don't think he's in austin i don't think he's american right isn't he somewhere? I'll take years to learn to do this, and then I'll bring this skill to the Hadza. Oh, yeah. If they knew it. Well, if you just brought them fucking compound bows, they would be infinitely more successful. But what I was saying before about them, though, was that if... Did you see that last shot?

He was like... Yeah. No, he does crazy shit. He was like on the horse. But look how he can run and do this. It's really impressive. See, look, he's on a horse. And his face is just so monotone.

They think that's how the Mongols did it too. And there's even some really ancient photos of hieroglyphs in Egypt that depict arrows that are held in a similar way. So they think, I mean, it makes sense. I mean, he's, it's not like he's the first guy to figure this out. I mean, pretty interesting shit. Austin, like, I don't know any of that history, but like, it is definitely, I've never been to a place like this. It's like surrounded by all this like red parts of Texas. It's just. That's where the balance comes in. It feels loving.

Like the people, like just in like the lady at the hotel and the restaurant, like everyone's super nice. You're not that landlocked because you could like what's two hours away to the water. Right. I don't know. It's like I'm feeling it, you know, as long as as there's some place where I can get kimchi, I'm good. I'm sure there is. Dude, I have a question for you that you're the perfect person to ask for this because people that don't know this about Joe Rogan used to be an actor.

Well, I've done some acting. I wasn't very good at it. I was good at sitcom acting I've never did like real act no you went you went hard like on on news radio and like that's sitcom acting is not hard man it's like the hardest shit is like Daniel Day-Lewis Joaquin Phoenix act okay that's hard acting but like just playing a guy and saying a funny line so you don't act anymore no and, no, no, no. And there's no project that you would come back to? I'm not interested in it.

So like Scorsese or anybody? It's not a negative on acting. I mean, I appreciate it. I love movies. I love great acting. I just don't like to do it. It's just too many hours. It takes too long.

It's not what I'm interested in. I'm more interested in podcasts and stand-up. I don't have enough time to do anything else other than UFC commentary. So there's no project you can think of? I'm just not interested. If it was like a one-day shoot. Yeah, it's great. Wow.

Yeah. I don't want to play baseball either. It doesn't mean I hate baseball. I'm just not interested. Okay, well. Like, I don't want to do anything, like, just because it's a job. You know, that's what it would be. So last time I came on here, I was like, or maybe in private, I've always told you, like, a little less with the UFC stuff and maybe, like, try to get into painting.

And you're like, I'm not interested in painting unless, you know know I don't do anything halfway like I want to go in go in right yeah and like I can't even remember the last time I was on Howard Stern but it was like 15 years ago or something and at the either I said it on the show or after it ended I was like because I know he's interested in chess and photography and whatever, I just was like, he has like the soul of an artist, and I was like, you should get into painting. And now, like, it's sad for me because I feel like he should have also got out while he was ahead, like whenever his contract ended, he should have stopped. He's kind of feeling to me like my dad talking at me or down to me now.

He does a little bit of that. But his watercolors. I think that's a natural thing that happens to old men though Jamie if you could find out we're gonna be doing that so definitely I hope not though I'm gonna be talking down to people soon well I think I think you I think you'll be more accepting of being talked down to if someone looks like this yes but his water colors of course his water colors he just like paints all the time now and they're better than most like artists i'm sure like like he just like brilliant guy he like went into it hard you know

look that guy is responsible for all this if it wasn't for him if it wasn't i mean we got ahead of the game yeah because of the howard stern show that's very good you know what is recent yeah that's what i'm saying like so how long did he take to be able to paint like this i think he just dedicated like 10 years to it you know and he's like and it's probably honestly probably why he's not that good at broadcasting anymore because he's interested yeah because he's like and you could tell like that's a lot it's really good right really good like perspective i mean i eating i offered him art lessons after i did his show i was like hey dude if you ever want to like and he's like i'm i'm not even close to that it's great you might be right about that maybe that's like his primary focus now so i always remember but it's

probably it's also probably like that's why he doesn't go into town i mean look at that shit dude he's like and those things are. Those are like with those tiny brushes. It's really incredible. It's really incredible. But of course, it just like makes sense. Like when I heard that he was like really into chess, I was like, oh, of course he is. That makes sense. It's like whatever led him to figure out how to be the biggest broadcaster in history,

that kind of energy could apply to anything. And you're seeing that with the watercourses. If you're doing that, then it's like that took away from, you know, you only have certain hours in a day. And, like, that's not, like, a casual, like, he's going for it. Like, that's, like, he could sell those in a gallery, right? I wonder if they're complimentary, though, because some things I think other activities are complimentary.

There's, like, cross-training. That's no talking. That's like quiet, nobody, like silent. That's meditation. But my thought was I wonder if that stimulates the mind in a way that might actually make him better at talking to people because oftentimes that does happen. Like when you get good at another thing,

like you get better at certain aspects of other things that you do that are like correlated. So can I tell you what happened? And I would love your feedback on it. Yes. So I'm, I'm kind of like, I didn't realize it, but I'm kind of like that too. Right. And just being born and raised in Los Angeles, people go, are you interested in making movies or, or being an actor? And I never really put it together, but I was like, why would I want to be an actor? Like the only roles available for Asians are Kung Fu Master, which I'm not that good at martial arts.

I am an MMA artist, mixed media artist, but not that kind of artist. And I'm not, you know, what is it? It's either like nerd, like math geek, waiter. Like it's just, I'd never seen an Asian guy be the lead or something. So it just like, I killed the old own dream for me, you know, in the same way when I give art lessons or play with like, uh, someone who's not an artist, the first thing they always throw out is like, I'm not, I suck. I suck. And I go, why did you do that? Why did you just like do that to yourself before we even started? Yeah.

And it's because we do that from the day that we can talk and walk, right? Well, we also do that to express humility out of respect for what you do. That's true. People say things like that just because they're a fan. Like if you asked me if I could draw, I'd go, I could draw pretty good. But I kind of suck compared to you. I would say that's why they're doing it they just don't want you to think like i'm a fucking artist too bro you know like they

don't want to come off douchey they're fans i i hear you that and that's fair but um don't you think at a young age if they see like a kid being strong or doing something athletic they go oh he's gonna be a football player and you already start getting boxed into you could like if i start drawing and stuff they're like oh he's gonna be artist. So in the same way, I killed my own dream because I was like, there's just nothing. Like if I, in my own, the movie in my head, I am Indiana Jones. I'm, I'm the fucking Wolverine. I'm Batman. I'm all those things, but I, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't have that role if I got it. So I just killed the dream for myself in the same way. I wouldn't have that role if I got it.

So I just killed the dream for myself. In the same way, I grew up in a lot of different mixed neighborhoods. And so my dad, who's a great athlete, he plays every sport, would take us to the playground. And there would be all these black guys playing basketball. And he could sink it from anywhere in the court. And he'd give us the ball and go, now your turn. Keep in mind, I've never thrown a basketball. So it's like the second I miss, ah, Mr. Miyagi, you know, it's like, it's not a safe place to make accidents and whatever.

Now at age 46, sometimes I go with my artsy friends early in the morning, like 530. We all have kids now. So we go early, early in the morning before anyone's awake. And because the threat of being made fun of is gone i'm like i'm pretty good at i'm like i can fucking throw a spiral like i can catch a i'm like oh i'm holy shit and then same thing like when i work with people where the no one they know that they're not being watched or whatever right i'm like oh shit like you're really good at drawing you know yeah that holds people back with everything that holds people back performance anxiety holds? Yeah, that holds people back with everything. That holds people back. Performance, anxiety, holds people back in fights, holds people back with comedy, you know?

So I wasn't trying. Like, I'm like you. I'm like, I'm not trying to be an actor or anything. But during the, every time I've been on TV, it's just either as myself or like a cartoonish exaggerated version of myself. myself or like a cartoonish exaggerated version of myself and so my ego got a little bit inflated because it was like thumbs up my hitchhiking show or me going looking for a dinosaur or you know uh going on bourdain's show or dave chang's show it's always just me i'm not acting right and then um because um i i was doing all these like kind of cooking uh dave chang you know him the chef i don't know him personally yeah I was doing this show Ugly

Delicious with him on Netflix and Marielle the producer of it is like do you want to be a food judge on like Top Chef and I was like fuck yeah like I want to go eat good stuff and it was this Jonathan Gold episode where he's the you know he's like the best food critic in LA that had passed away so So this was like out of respect to him. And Jon Favreau was there and I don't, and he's, he has his own cooking show with Roy Choi called The Chef Show on Netflix. And I had heard that he had just gotten the Star Wars gig to do The Mandalorian. And I have mixed feelings about how much, that I'm a grown man. And I still

go to the comic book shop every Wednesday and all that stuff. But like, I love superhero stuff. Like I love Batman, Spider-Man, Superman. I love all that shit. I love all the star Wars stuff. Even, even though most of it is all shitty now, I still love it. So I told him, uh, I don't know when I'm ever going to meet this guy again. So as he, you know, we went to Tacos 1988, and as he got in the car and the valet pulls up, I go, hey, good, you know, I didn't want to be the fanboy guy, but I was like, hey, congratulations on getting that Star Wars gig. And he's like, oh, yeah, thanks, Dave.

And the guy's giving him his keys and he's about to drive off. And I go, yo, put some fucking street art in Star Wars. And he's like, what? And I was like, the alliance, the alliance the rebel alliance the you know like every time in history the Great Wall Russia Vietnam it doesn't matter anytime there's a war anywhere in the world there's there's art rebellious art right there's posters there's graffiti of saying like fuck the system fuck the man down with the you know whatever I'm like in Star Wars you have like nazi

type characters you have all this like fighting and there's no there's no like graffiti and he goes you're right dave that's a very good point yeah and he goes you're right dave and you should do it and i had just had my kid and stuff and he's like i'm like dude i'm not trying to look for work right now i'm just saying someone should do that he He goes, you're right. And it should be you. And I was like, fuck, man. So I get this, you know, and it was fun for me. And I went and I was like, I went hardcore nerd. I was like, okay, Jawas are like this tall.

So the graffiti would be like this. And Luke Skywalker would not be known on this side. So I'm like learning the Arabesh language, the Star Wars language. And I'm layering the graffiti so it would be accurate. Like'm like going total nerd and and he goes all right and he tries to pay me and i go dude i haven't gotten a paycheck in like 10 years like i can't i don't want to get paid and the guy at lucasfilm is like you don't want to get paid like you're gonna get paid a lot of money for this i go i i don't i don't i don't want to fill out taxes for this shit like i don't work like i'm i'm jobless and he goes you're the first person that's ever denied a check from disney and i was like no i'm not and then i go put me in coach he's like what do you

mean i'm like put me in like just so i could tell my friends and shit that i was in star wars and and so eight hours of makeup eight eight hours of fucking makeup. Look at that shit. Like fucking prosthetics, you know. So I have like, I have one second of screen time. That's like a camera panning, you know, and I had to do make. And then, you know, they put like paint speckles. Like they made it look like I was the guy that actually did the graffiti. And, you know. Oh.

So this is the first time i'm on tv acting like not as me so i go home i write a short story about my the backstory of my character and i go oh it's too boring for me to scream in english i'm gonna learn hutty's job of the huts language so i'm i'm out there i got five pages of dialogue like we're at a gambling rink we're um betting on gamorian guards fighting're betting on Gamorrean guards fighting. So it's like a fight scene and it's like, fuck him up.

Fuck him up, Chris. Like, like all that. And I'm saying it. Meet you, Jujuman. Achaka. To poo.

Ah. And like, everyone's like, uh, dude, you're a fucking extra that's in here for one second. And no one asked you

to learn Jabba the Hutt's language. And, you know, but I didn't know how to not go hard you know with it and then um so did they tell you to not do it they didn't they're like I'm so I'm like I'm the extra hanging out there and I go hey just like I know like you know this is just me being me I'm like I'm not trying to get more air time or whatever but I did write a backstory of how I ended up in a game. I am a gambling addict. This is how I ended up at a Gamorrean guard gambling thing. And I give it to

Jon Favreau and, uh, and Dave Filoni who are like the showrunners. And they're like, um, yeah, we'll get right on that Dave. So that's hilarious. So I'm like, wow, I'm not like, I went kind of all in, like I wasn't, you know, so anyways, it was enough. I'm like, wow, I'm not like I went kind of all in like I wasn't, you know. So anyways, it was enough. I'm like, that was great. Then I get a call one day from Ali Wong and Steve Young at the same time. They're on this new show on Netflix called Beef from A24. And they say the same thing.

They go, Dave, have you ever thought about acting? And I'm like, I'm like family, dude. I'm like chilling, trying to figure out how to get to Africa. Like, I'm not trying to, trying to do this. And I go, what's the part? And they're like, well, it would be filming in LA. It'd be for like three months and you'd be playing an angry Korean guy. Is that how you guys see me? You know? I'm like pretty chill. You know, like in my normal life, like I'll tell you all this shit later. But like I kicked my parents out of the mansion I bought them because I asked them a million times not to do certain things. And they didn't listen to me.

And I was like, I'm not like making crazy requests. It's just like I've learned what a boundary is and please don't cross it. And they did. So this is my real life, right? My real life is like my brother, my family, like when they fuck with me, I go, I'd ask you not to do that. And if you do that, then I'm going to have to remove, like that's my normal life. But in this TV show, I'm like, fuck you. I'm like waving my gun out.

And they're like, the character's name is Isaac Cho. And I'm like, that's not that far of a stretch, you know? And, um, so I go, why don't you guys hire an actor,

like a real actor? And they're like, there's all these people coming in casting and they're like playing to be like Asian gangster, tough guy, but you're just an asshole. And I'm like, I'm like, should I,

should I take an acting class? Like, I don't want to like, you know, Steve Young's like Oscar nominated, like Ali Wong. Like, they're like, should I take an acting class? Like, I don't want to, like, you know, Steve Young's, like, Oscar-nominated, like, Ali Wong. They're like, no, Dave, just come in and be yourself. I'm like, fuck you guys. So I come in, and I thought they were offering me the part.

So I come in, and it's an audition. And I go, I'm too fucking old for this shit. Like, I'm too fragile to, like, put it up. Did you make a distinction when you were having a conversation. How casual was this conversation for you to come into a movie or a television show? I mean, I went in and I just like, I want to do a good job. So I like, I fully like, like, yeah. But you didn't know it was an audition.

I didn't. I thought they were, I thought they were asking me like, can you do this? And I was like, all right, fuck it. You know? So I went in and I'm like sitting next me, like, can you do this? And I was like, all right, fuck it, you know? So I went in and I'm like sitting next to the 10 other guys that are actual actors. And I'm like, oh, I'm not going to get this part, you know? And then I do my part and I'm like waiting by the phone. I hope they validate me.

I hope you like me. And then they call me and they're like, you got the part. I'm like, oh, shit. Like I kind of like didn't want to get it in the same way like do you ever watch survivor yes like so a lot of younger a lot of people don't even know it's still on there but it's been on there for like 30 years that's crazy how long it's been on and um yeah and then they asked me um to be on a survivor offshoot called uh take it to the edge or beyond the edge and it's like all washed up celebrity i sound mean right now it was like it was like a 70 year old ex-supermodel and like okay

retired nfl players right and i was the last one so i'm like what like steve-o said no and i called steve-o i was like did they hit you up he's like yeah i said no and and i was like oh i love survivor this ain't it but i should do this and uh and and they were like please just and it was during the pandemic it was like you compete with other celebrities and the thing with this is there's no losers everyone wins and we donate all the money to charity and i was like and i was like it was the fattest i'd ever been i ate so much postmates during the thing and my trainer or my manager was like dude you gotta if you're gonna do this i say don't do it but if you're going to do this, I say, don't do it. But if you're going to do it, like you're going to be with all these like washed up people, like you have to win. So then, so then that's when I hired the hitting

guy. That's so I did actually get into pretty good shape. And then at ultimately at the end, I said no. And then at a party, I met Jeff Probst and I said, Hey dude, I almost did this show. And he's like, Oh, I'm not actually not a a part of that but why don't you do the actual survivor and I was like dude I'm fucking super rich no one's gonna let me win like get all the way to then he's like we had Mike White we had another guy that got like to the end and and I was like all it would take is one of those people to recognize who I am and then like they're gonna like vote me out immediately he's like dude we think you have like the the right thing so I got like I got into like the the best shape and you know it's obviously um nice having Jeff uh uh bad for me but I mean that

interview process was insane they have like therapists talking they want to make sure that you're not going to hurt someone or kill yourself on that island. Right. So it was like law. And they got to the very end. And then at the very end, they're like, can you do that thing that like you remember when Chris Rock paid like a million dollars to like delete him throwing the shit? I'm probably fucking him up right now. But you remember he threw like one of the worst first.

What do you call it? A pitch. A pitch. He threw one of the worst ones. And then now you can't find it anywhere Really sure Jamie could find it. Is that real? I heard I had heard I don't know if it's true But no one was worth than Anthony Fauci. Did you see his pitch? I'm sure it was like it was like like it was hilarious I

Mean it didn't even come close to where it was supposed to go. Yeah, and it's in oh That's Sam. Yeah. And it's in, Oh, that's sand. Okay. Oh yeah. Did you see that? I'm like laughing at it. I'm like, yeah.

All right. So I guess I could still find it. Um, yeah, it's just, yeah. So, um,

fuck, why did I even bring that up? Um, Oh yeah. So they asked me, they go, you're gonna, you're gonna be on survivor, but can you do that thing that the celebrities do and pay like a million dollars to like basically delete your entire imprint on the internet? And I was like, what?

And they're like, there's so much of your life that is just like not appropriate for like. And I was like. And, you know, I sat there and I was like. It's enough. Like, like it's enough that I almost like, I know myself. I'm like, I would have won. I would have fucking won survivor. I know myself. I know that sounds cocky, but like I.

But survivors, it's entirely dependent upon someone voting for you. I know. But I, as this is the setup, right? Like as someone, people are like, oh, how'd you get into acting? I'm like, I've been a gaslighter, lying, con man, thief, sneaky dude half my life. I'm set up for this.

Yeah, but there's other people like you out there. That's why I'm always fascinated by someone who thinks they're definitely going to win. Well, look look I only have my track record like I'm like I thought I would I could have tons of power did I'm sure I'm sure you have a ton of confidence and I'm sure you you believe that wholeheartedly that you're gonna win but there's other David chose out there maybe not you exactly the same kind of motherfucker I'm sure if you got

on a show with one of those guys you'd be like god damn it well the one of the things that that's like the biggest benefit of meditation for me these days is like it's that that driving thing of it's not enough like okay i did this now i gotta do this it's like it's like i'm enough so like and i'm speaking my inner thoughts so I'm sorry how cringy it sounds but like there's nothing I can't have right so I drive and I go look at that insane house I'm like I could buy that look at that woman I'm like I could get her like look at and so just that like there's no nothing physical or experience that I can't have like I I can have it. That's why I keep telling you that my last battle is the spiritual one. And so that's why I fly coach. That's why I sit like, that's why, like, I just do normal shit that like, could I fly private everywhere? Could I stay at the nicest hotels and nicest gyms and everything and just kind of be like, that's them. And this is, you know, I waited an hour at terry black's i'm sure like i

could have like called you and got to the front you know like i i just i'm just at peace with myself so the fact that i could have been on survivor was enough for me and i didn't want to be away from my family for that long anyways um yeah i couldn't imagine want to do one of those shows i just love the any show that's competitive that pushes you to your limit. I'm sure it's fun. You know? I'm sure it's fun. I'm just the time commitment.

Yeah. Well, I mean, if I get voted off right away, it's like fine. But if you're all the way to the end, that's 90 days, I think. I could see someone like you wanting to do it just for the experience, though. I mean, that's what— Just because it's a wild, crazy thing to do. Right, and that's why I would have done it because I've been a Survivor fan

my whole life and you know. That show is that the longest running reality game show? It might be. It has to be. It has to be

unless you count like The Bachelor? Other game shows like regular game shows. It's got to be the longest running reality game show right? I mean that shit was on before Fear Factor. It says it's one of.

I wonder what's longer. There's a longer one? 43 seasons in 23 years. I mean, I would have killed that Fear Factor. I would have ate the dick, the butthole, everything. That part's not that hard. The physical stuff is hard. The physical stuff would have been hard for me

It's hard for everybody But it's because it's like some of your factor just the food. I would have killed Like like that we had one where they had a hang on to a bar over like a lake Yeah, so they're hanging underneath this bridge. Yeah. Oh, I saw that one women can hang way longer than men can a lot of women wow yeah because there's not as much you mean emotionally or physically but probably both but yeah they hang on to like really shitty relationships they don't have all the weight so if you're carrying 200 pounds but she's only carrying 120 pounds that 80 pounds makes a big difference with your hands i would have i would have lost on that

part and then one on the baboon dick part so i said no to survivor beyond beyond the edge whatever that show was called and and now i was in like pretty good shape because of the abusive russian trainer i had and and uh and now'm like... You still got that trainer? No, I just... Couldn't take it anymore? It wasn't that... Well, it's... I want community.

Like, I want to, like... I want to have fun. Right? Right? Like, it's like... I've never gotten runner's high. I've never gotten... The only time I have fun

is, like, when I'm playing basketball or football or soccer at 5.30 in the morning with the mist with my friends. Yeah. And then we can go for two, three hours and like I'm sweating. I had a great workout and it was like, it was fun. Dave, I'm going to pee. And when I come back, I'm going to talk you into doing jujitsu. We'll be right back.

Okay. Oh, wow. And we're back. And we're back. Headphones changes it, right? Yeah. Locks you back headphones changes it right yeah locks you in holy shit you hear it how other people hear it damn um you would love it sexy voice thank you you too thanks man you would love jujitsu you're a super competitive guy and it's an exciting fun thing and it's an athletic thing you just do it with the right people, get the right trainer,

get the right group of guys. There's a lot of really good gyms where they really take care of people that are beginners and show them how to do it right. I could trip anybody. Trip them? You're good at tripping? Judo? Yeah, my dad made me take judo. If you know the history, there's a little bit of animosity.

There could be between Japanese and Koreans. And my dad set me up on a full, like, Japanese judo dojo in Sawtelle in Los Angeles. And they did not take it easy on me. And it's like, I'm kind of like, I think a lot of people are like this, like, with whatever profession they're in. They learn one move really good, and then they milk the shit out of it. And I can fucking trip the shit out of anybody. And I was so good at it, and I added my twist to it, that it gave me this insane cockiness where I thought I could beat the shit out of anyone.

But I'm like, what do you do after the trip? Oh, shit, I don't know. And so I got my ass kicked a lot. From tripping people? Well, I mean, during a fight, that would be my move and I didn't have any other moves after that. It's a great move if you know how to

add other stuff to it. That's San Chai, who's like one, if not the greatest, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time. He's a master at tripping people. But you gotta be wearing clothes. That's the other thing.

Oh, to grab. Yeah, I can't trip like shirtless dudes. Oh, okay. That makes the other thing. Oh, to grab. Yeah, I can't trip like shirtless dudes. Oh, okay. That makes a big difference. That's a problem. Yeah. You got to learn some underhooks and overhooks. The problem with the – that was an issue in the beginning days of the UFC

when a lot of guys went no-gi. When they went to the ground game, they were so limited because they were so accustomed to grabbing collars and grabbing pants legs and grabbing sleeves. All right. If I'm doing this shit in L.A., where should I go? No gi for sure. Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu. I get you set up.

Okay. If you want to do it in L.A., 100%. If you want to do the gi. What part of town is that? It's downtown. Oh, perfect. Yeah. It's downtown.

That's where the headquarters is. There's like a hundred and, how many 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu's are there? I want to say there's like at least a hundred affiliates all over the world. It's like black belt? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you a black belt? Yeah.

All right. Yeah, that's where I started. I have actually named it. 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu is my idea. That's yours? Yeah, it was my idea. What does that mean? Because we were talking about, it was me and Eddie Bravo.

And Eddie was, you know, he'd just gotten back from tapping out Hoyler Gracie in Abu Dhabi. And, you know, Eddie's the best guy ever. He's my best friend. He was, when we went to Abu Dhabi and he tapped out Hoyler Gracie, it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life. And he came back from that. John Jock Machado gave him his black belt off of his waist. John Jock took his black belt and put it on Eddie. And then Eddie started this 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu.

And the idea behind it was use, because in MMA you don't have the gi, so use overhooks and underhooks, and a lot of it was derived from what he learned from John Jock Manchato, who was actually born with only one hand. John Jock only has a thumb on his left hand. Oh, shit. So his jiu-jitsu couldn't be all grip-based. It had to be underhooks and overhooks.

So he transitioned very easily to Abu Dhabi and he wound up winning. Abu Dhabi is the biggest no-gi competition in the world. He wound up winning it and smoking people. It was incredible to watch. So Eddie comes back and Eddie decides to start this jiu-jitsu gym. And we're joking around about all the different names. We're probably high as fuck. I imagine we were high as fuck.

And I said, why don't you just call it tenth planet jiu-jitsu because it's like we were into Zacharias Hitchin back then you know Zacharias Hitchin is? The sci-fi guy? No Zacharias Hitchin was this guy who wrote these books about a planet called Nibiru and he was a guy who supposedly and I'm not not 100 but it's fun i like this shit he um he had transcribed the sumerian text and he believed that the history of the people from sumer what they were trying to relay was that human beings were the product of accelerated evolution and that beings from a planet called Nibiru that's on a 3600 year old 3600 year elliptical course

Towards the earth. I've been told this is nonsense. Okay by people cosmologist Okay, which is nothing is nonsense. So I said the other day we're talking to Andrew Schultz that the moon doesn't spin So because we only see one side of the moon We do only see one side of the moon, but it just spins perfectly with us so that we only see... Is that right? I said it was tidal locked or something. That's maybe what I was... Hey, I'm in.

I love nonsense. But what it... I definitely was wrong. Like, it does spin, right? Excuse me, rotate. People don't like the term spin. Someone's trying to explain this to me. I like spin class.

So it rotates at the exact same rate we do so that we always see the same side? The time it takes for the moon to rotate once on its axis is equal to the time it takes for the moon to orbit once around the Earth. This keeps the same side of the moon facing towards the Earth throughout the month. So sorry for my misinformation, folks. I kind of said it. After I said it, I was like, I think this is off. And then, yeah. But this Zechariah sitchin thing so anyway this was Zechariah sitchin He wrote these books called the I think was the twelfth planet was one of them and it was all about

these ancient Sumerians and One of the weirdest things about it was like these people had these clay tablets that had like a detailed map of the solar system 6,000 years ago. They carved it in clay. And they also had these giant beings with like people with tails sitting on their lap. And they had the double helix of the DNA. And he interpreted all this as this was some sort of an ancient recording, like where they were trying to record what had happened. And when he was going through these ancient Sumerian texts, he believes that it was really all about these beings called the Anunnaki, those from heaven to earth came, and that these beings

came from this planet that is described as Nibiru. And that they have manipulated human DNA forever. So you are into Star Wars. I worship at the altar of nonsense. So everything you said to me right now, all in. I'm all in on it, dude. It's so fun because if it really is the case first of all we know that we would do that 100%

absolutely we would do that we've done that to animals right we've done all kinds of weird shit of course made hybrids and you know

and of course if people were designing like they're making like life forms in petri dishes dude for sure we would do that I don't know

how close or far whatever all this gene splicing shit I'm like dude if that's real I'm like give it to me lobster claws let's gorilla body scorpion tail everybody's gonna be the tiger face everybody's gonna look like that guy from Prometheus or the guy that dies in the Alien movie Prometheus you want like cheetah legs and like yeah wings bitch marsupial pouch where's my fucking wings or eagle wings bat wings I'll take bat sugar glider wings you know webbed feet like Kevin Costner and water world I'm all in dude you believe in aliens yes I accused you of being an alien last time right probably all right remember all right you want

to hear my hot take on comedy right now okay it's like what we fucking we're going all over the road yeah sorry i like it i so in the same way in the same way tonight right if you go home tonight and you do like a hardcore uh jerk off session porn, you could watch more porn in 24 hours. I don't know how accurate this is, but it's pretty accurate. Then all of your ancestors since the beginning of time. Right. Of course, you can watch thousands of people fucking tonight. Whereas before the Internet. Yeah. before the internet yeah so so in the same way when i was passing around um tapes of like eddie murphy raw delirious like you could watch every comedy special in a week from like the funniest guy in dubai to the hottest guy in hong kong you could like just download that shit right and uh i actually want to make a quick comment on style for comedians. Like. I always remember like what Martin Lawrence or Eddie Murphy was wearing, like leather suit, no shirt, because not to be disrespectful, but isn't the the art of comedy or the act of comedy like you're a fool or you're a court jester or your job is to make it's funny right it's to make people laugh and then you have these comedians going on stage dressing in suits

or dressing like just in a hoodie or i'm like you're a fucking clown dude dress ridiculous look like this but like entertain me i see what you're saying but I don't think so. I think they should dress in any way that feels funny to them. I've gone on stage in suits many times. It's fun. We get a kick out of it. Really? Yeah, there's a photo of us all in Vegas. We did the MGM, and I said, dude, we should go and get Rat Pack-like suits.

Get some dope-fitted suits. And so I had David August make everybody suits. We just decided it would look cool. I mean, but have fun but imagine but it's you but the difference is trying to be cool But people interpret when you see someone who's dressed up really nice always wearing a lot of jewelry or is like looks very flashy They're trying to be cool. You wouldn't have fun doing a stand-up set dressed like an alien? No. No, it's too on the nose. But some people are,

they just, that's how they like, that's how they feel good. They feel good when they dress nice. They feel good when they wear nice shoes. They feel good when they got a nice watch on. They feel good. So in feeling good, they'll go on stage,

they'll perform better. I'm like, this profession is like, it's a clown profession, so i kind of want the outfit to match the all right i go watch eddie murphy delirious i think he was probably wearing like a leather jumpsuit or something yeah it was amazing yeah it's amazing yeah you know i'm richard pryor live at the sunset strip well he has a blazer and a nice shirt on you know it's like guys have yeah look at that crazy outfit with his fucking, his zipper all the way down to his belly button.

Yeah, I was like eight when I saw that. I'm like, I still remember it, you know? That was a classic, dude. I mean, people don't know that if Eddie Murphy kept going, there would have been no doubt. There would have been no doubt who the greatest comedian ever was. Eddie Murphy just stopped doing it. If you watch like eddie murphy was like a progression from in many ways

like a progression from richard pryor yeah here's the new young richard pryor style of comedy and he was so good man he was so fucking funny i'm glad he stopped for me the red outfit interesting right yeah yeah oh he took so much from Pryor. Well, everybody did. Everybody did. Everybody took from Lenny Bruce. Everybody took from Pryor. I like the theme of getting out while you're ahead because, you know, there's always like, Eddie's going to be back and he's going to kill.

I'm like, he already killed. He destroyed and he's a legend and just let him stay that way. This thing where like... Why would you say that? This is why that's wrong. He's missing out on the chance to kill. that way this thing we're like why would you say that this is why that's wrong he's he's he's missing out on the chance to kill you know we were all hanging out in the green room the other night and we were laughing we're just laughing we had a bunch of really fun shows and we're all hanging out in the green room and we were saying like imagine living your life and never killing never

killing on stage imagine living your whole life i'm like that would suck the stage just looks different because doesn't he have like 12 kids? Yeah. Don't you think he's like the funniest dad ever? For sure. Like when he's making breakfast. No, listen, that too. The fuck, man.

But you can do that too. You could always do that too. The difference is it's like that guy we missed out on probably like the greatest talent that ever did stand-up. He stopped doing it. Like stand-up as an art form if you go watch delirious and then listen to his first album which i think he was like 20 or something like that something really young yeah it's so good so good he was a just a just a fucking amazing talent amazing talent he just decided to stop doing it so that's why i don't agree like if that guy just decided to start doing it again now and just started fucking around and

people would let him walk on stage with notes they would let him right you could do whatever if they knew you were just working out on stuff people would let him do it well this and he would he would get it again like he did a speech once at, what was it again? For some award show. He did this speech where he did a Bill Cosby impression. Talked about them taking Bill Cosby's awards away. Mark Twain Awards. Mark Twain Awards.

It was fucking hilarious. It was sharp. The timing was on. I was like, if that guy kept doing comedy, there would have been no doubt. He would have been number one of all time he was incredible as as a fan of comedy and who's watched like because I have this access that everyone also has access to all these documentaries and comedies um and it's this isn't just isolated to comedy it's to anything right like everyone who I know who's a music like when i when i heard uh one by metallica

there's no youtube video that shows you how to do double face you're like what the fuck is that you have to figure that out but now everyone who's spent a lifetime crafting whatever their art is they're giving it away in a tiktok right yeah when Louis CK has a special, he goes on like 10 podcasts and talks about where the joke comes from, how he can't, like how he, so it's like the magician revealing all the magic tricks. And part of that is great because like you're going to learn more now from YouTube

than you are from like school or anything. But because all the great artists, all the great magicians are giving away their wizardry, like when they do the joke now you you don't you know like the surprise is gone you're like oh that's how we did like you saw how they made the sausage so so as someone who loves comedy this is how i feel and look there's always exceptions to the rule but most comedy i either feel like they're talking down to me or they're talking at me or they're trying to teach me or something like that. I'm like, funny, number one priority.

Like jokes, laugh. And it's like, let me teach you something. Let me show you what time it is. Let me do this. And I'm like, there's so many podcasts that talk about the art of comedy, the behind the stage behind the scenes this is like this working out and like now it's just like a normal dude that doesn't know about that didn't know any of that shit there's too much shit so when i i'm like i just want the joke to just be a joke like what if i knew everything about how eddie murphy came up with

the raw act you know he's like oh this happens. Does it aid the comedy or does it make it like you're watching a TED Talk or something, you know? Well, it depends on how funny it is. There's people that I know, like Shane Gillis. I'll watch his set over and over and over again because I know it's funny. I know where the jokes are. I still want to see them again and again.

They're so funny. I know where the jokes are I still want to see him again and again They're so funny right it doesn't I know how the sausage is made right like it's not no one tricking me I know what's going on you writing jokes and work, but it's when it's really well done I just want to watch it over and over again. It's like I know how it's made. I'm still laughing really hard I know the lines. I'm still laughing a minute. Well you're laughing out. Yes I know the lines I'm still laughing because I'm in it like you're laughing out loud yes

fuck dude I love comedy I love watching it man I love I still enjoy that's like a very important thing it's like imagine becoming an artist

but not liking art anymore you don't like other people's art that would be ridiculous but that happens to a lot of comedians they become comedians

and they stop loving stand up comedy as a just someone in the audience shit man i think you just described me it's like i don't like most art i don't like most of my art but yeah i i yeah you could easily get like that with anything you can easily get like that with anything you get i get jaded with like i don't watch porn anymore but i got so jaded with porn i got jaded with music i get jaded with and then I ended up going back to like the classics of stuff that is

nostalgic or that or whatever. And I, and I, so I, as a student of someone who's like, man, fucking life sucks. Let me laugh tonight. And I watched these things. I go, I could see like, this is a hot take, no disrespect to Chris Rock, but like, I didn't even know Marlon Wayans was a standup comedian and his take on the whole will smith thing was fucking hilarious and chris rocks was like i don't know like i just didn't do it i was like i could see what he's doing it didn't land for me and everything i saw on the internet was like he just bodied will smith he fucking killed him and i'm like did he i don't know man and so my feeling so like i'm like i know what i sound like the

bitter jaded guy like art sucks comedy sucks whatever and so um i did psychedelics recently and and uh like i said i accused you of being an alien last time you were here. And like the person that makes me laugh more than anybody is when I'm fucking on psychedelics. And whatever that spirit is that's talking is always like has the jokes. It has the jokes. And the last time. So this is a reoccurring topic. And once again, I got to say,

this is not like, this is just something I see in my vision quest. Right. So I asked the alien last time I go, are you real? Are aliens real? He's like, yeah,

it's you motherfucker. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you never wonder why Asians dicks are so small. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he goes, I go, what the fuck is your problem, dude? He goes, you know what we look like, right? I'm like, yeah, the big eyes, almond eyes like this, bluish gray, uh, no dick, big head. Um, like, you know, like you've all seen that picture.

It's like, you know what I look like, motherfucker. And I'm like, stop cussing at me, man. And he goes, we came out to Africa. We saw you fucking hairless little, you know, and we fucked a human. Right? This is what it's showing me. Okay, but it's not

saying we fucked a human. Oh, no. It has the filthiest mouth really like i'm dying like i'm on the like i'm this is what i look like i'm like in like like nature like with a shaman and i'm really yeah i'm like dying and and and i'm and the thing is like just non because everyone's like oh i'm gonna have a spiritual experience like and it is spiritual but it's a long trip so it goes through like hell heaven jokes and he goes i came down to earth and i fucked your great great great great great grandmother and i don't have a dick because we don't fuck uh with uh genitals we fuck we were mind fuck. We use our mind. That's how we have sex. And so we're beyond that. And he goes, look in the mirror, bitch. And I go, what? You ever wonder why Koreans have such

big heads and your eyes are a little bit like this and your dicks are a little bit smaller because we didn't have any dicks. Humans had dicks. We melted. And so you have little dicks. And he's like, you never ever thought about why you're blue? I'm like, what are you talking about? He goes, you never wonder why you were born with a blue ass? And I'm like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, I'm like on the floor tripping. So I don't know if you know this. A lot of Asians, and they say, they call it the Genghis Khan birth, Mark.

Do you know this? No. Okay, so they call it, Jamie, up like um blue asian blue birth so a lot of asians are born with a giant blue birthmark on their ass really yeah and they call they say it's all the way back from something gangas khan did yeah there it is yeah look go down mr mongolian blue spot wow So I was born with a blue ass, Joe. I had a blue fucking ass. And, um... Dude,

like, avatar? Dude, straight... I have a picture of my... Some have a small one like this, and some of them have... I'm sure you could find bluer ones. But then after, like, less than a year, it just disappears. So it's called the Mongolian birthmark.

And I'd forgot about it till the alien was talking to me. That's amazing. Yeah, there it is. See? Mine looked more like that. Wow. So I was born with a blue ass. So they know specifically from genetics that this goes back to the Mongol days?

Well, I'm telling you who gave me the answer. The altar that I worship at. Nonsense. So the alien goes, you think you just had a blue ass out of nowhere? You're a fucking alien, bitch. And I'm like, what? And he goes,

I gave you just enough dick to like, you know, like you don't need a giant dick. You think you want a giant dick. It's going to get in the way. I gave you a perfect dick. You fuck people with your mind and you're fucking you're perfect dick. You fuck people with your mind. And you're fucking, you're not yellow. You're fucking blue.

And I was like, oh, it's not a Mongolian birthmark? He's like, you're a fucking alien birthmark. And I was like, you know, I'm drooling. I'm like. And look, I did a horrible job. His delivery is way more vulgar. It sounds more like Eddie Murphy in his – he's, like, cussing. And I'm, like – I don't know.

It's, like, in my mind, I'm, like, this is not what I was expecting out of this spiritual journey. So, yeah, I mean, it was – you never heard of the Mongolian birthmark? I don't know the exact story, but it's something with like Genghis Khan or someone did so much fucking that. Genghis Khan apparently did a lot of fucking. Yeah, like. Some large percentage of the population. That that did something to make that birthmark, but it was clarified to me by that wouldn't really happen. So that is actually that story. Okay, one Mongolian spot is present on over 90% of Native Americans

and people of African descent, over 80% of Asians, over 70% of Hispanics, and just under 10% of fair-skinned infants. You didn't have a blue ass? I don't think so. Nobody told me. Maybe they just kept it from me. My kids had blue asses yeah so Mexican story he's saying is in your psychedelic trip is literally the same story that's in the Sumerian text that's why when that's what that's why

when you say wait in the Sumerian text they say Asians are spawns of no no no no humans humans that would happen was these Advanced beings came down and they manipulated our DNA and added their DNA, but by the way, I have to say this This is this guy's Zechariah sitch in and it's he's very controversial he's a he's a like a legit scholar rock-solid credentials, but He's also like a lot very controversial like there's a I think there's a whole website called sitcheniswrong.com. Joe, I, you're talking to some, if that's for your audience, I already believe you're an alien. So you don't need to, like, I'm just, I'm just clarifying to people that this is not like, I think this theory is fun as fuck and I love it.

But I don't know if it's true. Like people ask me, like, like I think one of the most taboo things to talk about today is like you could talk about fucking or drug, you know, you could talk about anything. But when anyone goes, hey, where's your spirituality at? Or it's like conversation stopper. Well, you know why? Because anybody who ask it like that is annoying. But like, where's your spirituality? Okay, right.

David, David, that's like a, that's in my blue asshole. Someone's henpecking you, but like doing David, but like, I've never asked you that. Like, where is like, what is your thoughts on God? I did it. I went there like, well, considering having a podcast, it's very different than someone just bringing it out of nowhere. Um, I am not an atheist. I've never been an atheist. I've never been someone who says, I know there is no God. Right. What I have been someone who has said that a lot of the stories, there are a lot of the cultural values of people that lived 3,000, 4,000 years ago, whenever they wrote this stuff. Clearly, it condones slavery, treats women as second class citizens.

There's a lot in these words that clearly have the hand of man, but there's also some inherent deep wisdom and a moral Scaffolding that would make the world a better place and almost all of them there's something there that gives people structure and discipline and Connects them in a community of like-minded people who believe the same thing. I think there's a great value to that That's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists. I think there's a great value to that that's underappreciated by people who call themselves atheists. I think there's also a great value in if you truly believe you're living your life

and you're going to be a good person, you're going to go to heaven, you will have that energy through your life. You will be carrying the belief and it will actually aid you in your life. And that if you think there's just pointless, it's all just existential angst and it's all chaos. Like you live better if you believe that this is all for a better purpose

and this is all a part of God's plan. That might be true. It might not be true. But you live better if you think that way. You can do that and still look at facts and reality and you don't have to be ideologically captured by some writing that was written down thousands of years ago. Right. But you are better off if you believe that this is all for a greater good love love yeah and that's probably what god really is god is love and love that what love is as it's at its most pure is a force of creation a force of like adhesion and bonding of human beings and we know

the opposite the opposite is what's happening right now in Ukraine. That's the opposite. The opposite is... That's hate. Yeah, that's murder. And fucking whole-scale murder. It's wild chaos. I mean, war is hell. It's the worst thing.

The worst thing that people do. And that exists at the same time on Earth with some of the best people enjoying some of the best times together. While you are with your family and you are with your friends and people come over your house and you have dinner and you're laughing and having a good time, on some part of the world, someone's drinking out of a puddle. On some part of the world, someone's in an apartment building that just got hit by a missile. It's all happening simultaneously,

but we only have the ability to understand what's happening to us. We kind of think these things, we know these things are out there because we watch TV and we watch the news, but we don't believe it. It's not even a... There's people that are calling for war in Ukraine. You don't even know what you're saying like you don't even know what that

feeling is of being if you knew that would be the last thing you would ever want to happen i fucking love you man like i love you i love you too and you too jamie you fucker like i'm not gonna leave you out of this and and wow, and part, like the part of the thing, I love what you just said right now. And part of like the way I pray is creativity. Like when I make something, that's like, that's how I interpret prayer. And what you talked about is like this belief it's, it's faith. Right. talked about is like this belief it's it's faith right so um and part of why a lot of things i've done in my life people have accused me of being suicidal right they're like

why are you going into ms-13 territory why are you going to the congo why are you going to bosnia why are you going to places that are in conflict and And part of that is like, I like it when it hurts. And I, it's just like, I'm, I'm attracted towards darkness or I was. And, and part of that is just, I don't believe, like I watched the news, I watched something and someone tells me I've been to every state in America, right? Like most people haven't, most Americans haven't done that. And is there unrest? Is there racism? Is there, yes, there is. But when you try to say everything, like try to make it binary and everything in like black or white, like I've had an amazing time in Texas so far, right? And all these places that are considered racist. Yeah. I've experienced that also. But even when I go to like atlanta at a black mall i went to the wrong mall and everyone's yelling shit to me if i could find one kid and be like hey why are you calling me that shit and then i bond with him in that moment i'm just with

him i've used love he's and he didn't run away from me like him and all of his friends were doing this they were like and i was like this is like 20 years ago and i'm like i'm like oh fuck dude and they were yelling they're literally yelling you came to the wrong mall bro wrong you know and i was like oh shit and i felt threatened i felt like oh shit like something's about to happen and uh this is 1999 or something you you know? And, and so I, you know, because of the religious abuse that I was raised in and, and it's crazy because most of the mental health institutions or rehabs I've been into, you've heard about sexual abuse, physical abuse. You've heard of those abuses. I had never heard the word sexual abuse or religious abuse. And I'm like, it's disproportionately a lot of I had never heard the word sexual abuse or religious abuse. And I'm like,

it's disproportionately a lot of Orthodox Catholics, Orthodox Jews, hardcore Muslims, hardcore Christians, hardcore Mormons. Like it's just that, that like organized, like you have to be like this or else you're bad creates so much shame.

And, and, and I'm like, fuck God, fuck religion, fuck. But that's like, now I've gone the other side towards hate.

And I'm like, I, I'm a loving person. Like was telling you like it's not an accident that you're like the biggest podcast in the world you're such a sweet loving you don't like do get involved with all this other bullshit podcast drama that all these like you're just loving your love you're lovable you are love and so i always go i tend to be a hater that i'm always pushed to like talk shit or be bitter and fuck everything sucks and i i need love to drag me back and so part of that is you know this is part of uh 12 step stuff like higher power and whatever is

we like having a team right i'm a christian our symbol is this i have a star ours has 20 arms and swords like everyone wants to have a logo and a t-shirt and my church is this mars are round ours are like gothic you know and that that's good right it's good to to have that but um i i was so jaded and i was so bitter and the guy that was helping me through all my darkness was like, kind of don't care. I kind of don't care if you believe in God or not. It's just like, like a fake it till you make it. He's like, I just want you to believe and have the faith. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.

I was like, what? He's like, it's just weird talking to you because no one believed you'd be the wealthiest artist in the world except for you that's insane amount of faith that got you there no one thought you would do this in your life no one thought and you you were the only one maybe your mom but because you believed it it happened so it doesn't matter if 10th planet is ludicrous or the science like even science is a religion how many times has science been wrong, right? Well, science is data. Right. It's scientists and their interpretations.

It's incorrect or biased. That's the problem. And calling it the science when people say that, trust the science. Right. And the scientist is the priest. It's a scientific process. So I subscribe to what you said of like, that's, you know, sorry to sound like a douche again, but that's where I find my spirituality is like community. It's, it's what they call, uh,

I just learned this, um, third space, right? Like first space and second space is like, uh, your house is like first space. I think second space is like work where you work. And then third space is what people need to like be social like whether that's a cafe church the gym and third space is the internet now all right that's just where everyone congregates and like i don't i do all these limitations on my phone and technology so it keeps me off social media keeps me off all these things i have a child safe like you know that's because of my addictive nature but that's where people are so that's where i have a child safe like you know that's because of my addictive nature but that's where people are so that's where i have to meet them so um yeah the way and you know i'm still

searching like i'm not perfect obviously but i try to do anytime something happens and i feel myself going to the dark side fuck this motherfucker this whatever it's like how can i meet you with love and then i feel better it's selfishly i feel better yeah it's like that's very important because because so much of so much of korean identity is revenge right if you watch old boy or any korean show on netflix it's all about you tripped me when i was five and now I've spent my entire life figuring it out. You know, right? Right. And so to bring it back to the acting thing, I get this role, right?

I play this asshole, like kind of lovable asshole. I just added that. And then I show up to the set. And again, I write a short story back page thing. I'm doing improv. I have all these. And they're like, Dave, can you just do the lines so that other people can go home? No one's asking you to write another. And I'm like, I don't know how to not do that.

So my character is always yelling at my cousin. Doesn't someone know you that works with them that could talk and go, Hey, you got to let Dave know that you can't invent any new stuff and put it in the movie. Yeah. I mean, look, it was, I was having like in the same way that as a comic book fan, like, I feel like I'm, like, Aquaman's a douchebag. The Guardians of the Galaxy are, like, D-list, $4.40 bin. The fact that we live in a world now that, like, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Iron Man. Iron Man's, like, the worst.

No one reads Iron Man. Like, these are, like. I used to read Iron Man. You bought issues of Iron Man? Yes. So you know the whole Tony Stark. Fuck yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah. You're a unique person. No. It was very popular. Iron Man was super popular when I was a kid. You're a little bit older than me, but most kids it was Batman, X-Men, Superman. Yeah, but Iron Man was the shit, dude. Iron Man was the shit dude iron man was very popular the hulk was very popular i love the whole spider-man was very popular i was a marvel guy i really didn't get

into dc comics that much fucking love all of it i love all that shit but i just never followed them it's not that i don't like them i never followed them but uh marvel had a more marvel marvel had a better buy-in like the the awkward teenager that gets the super, you know, like not that many people are born billionaires that become bad. I think DC was more, like, I know they're all really old, right? But I think DC, it reminds me of like a different, like a World War II mentality or something. Like the origin stories for these people. It was more clunky came from another planet you know hulk's a normal dude right and it's like you wouldn't

like me when i'm angry right everyone could buy it on that right like everybody i'm just i'm just the nerd but don't push me this guy gets bit by a radioactive spider i'm a nerdy teenager his uncle who took care of him gets killed because he callously lets these bad guys run past him. And nobody knows this, but he could actually shoot the webs out of his dick and his asshole. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, that's where spiders shoot webs out of, right? The web thing is so ridiculous.

Like, he invented this shit that's better than anything anyone's ever figured out ever. Like, he could be a fucking super billionaire just from that web. Right, exactly. ever like he could be a fucking super billionaire just from that web right exactly the idea that we buy into the fact that this fucking college kid invented this stuff that shoots from his wrist in a never-ending supply he's shooting allows him to grab buildings and swing he's shooting these thick ropes out of his wrist and i'm like bro i if if i i would buy that all that shit you know like and just but where's it coming from where's all that shit, you know, like, and just. But where's it coming from? Where's all that shit coming from?

That's the problem. There's no storage tank on them. He's just shooting these webs, and they're just flying off of him from what? Are you making that stuff? Well, the easy thing is always, like, he's a genius, the smartest guy on the planet, you know. But if he only invented the web, that guy could invent anything. He'd make antimatter devices. He's that smart? My point was

the shittiest comics that I didn't read are these billion dollar Ant-Man. Who the fuck ever read Ant-Man? So in that same kind of feeling. It's just a run out of superhero narratives. Yeah, that might be true. I think it is. And you know

what else? I hate to say this. I gotta pee again. Sorry. Go do it. I'm super hydrated. And you know what else? I hate to say this. I got to pee again. Yeah. Sorry. Go do it. I'm super hydrated. Go do it, man. So, yeah. I just found Jamie's was Morbius. Morbius was cool.

I used to like Blade. Blade was my favorite. Oh, Blade's the best. Blade was the shit. He had teak knives. They were knives made out of teak wood so he could kill vampires. He came out of his mom and just fucking killed her. He was a bad motherfucker.

Blade was dope. And Wesley Snipes is. That movie, the beginning scene of that movie where Tracy Lourdes leads that guy into the middle of this disco. And all these vampires are dancing. The blood disco. He doesn't know they're vampires. Yeah. And then the blood starts spraying.

Yeah. And it's a fucking amazing scene. It's one of the best scenes in any horror movie ever. It's so cool too. And just the imagery when this guy goes through this and he starts recognizing that it looks like these are human bodies that are hanging from there. I love that you knew that. Oh my God.

Tracy Lords. Yeah. You know all the actors. Yeah, this was an amazing scene and then Blade shows up and kills all the actors. Yeah, this was an amazing scene. And then Blade shows up and kills all the vampires. It's fucking incredible, man. It's such a good scene. Like, to this day, I like, I mean, even if I don't watch the whole movie, I'll throw this scene on.

Because it's, when the guy realizes that there's blood coming out of the ceiling, and then he looks up. There we go. And he sees the faucet. Bloodbath. and it just starts spraying and the way it's shot is like almost like stop action because you're whoever the director was they did an amazing job of like setting it up where it's like the chaos of the moment it's expressed in the way he filmed it yeah like, for the guy who's getting sprayed with blood surrounded by vampires

and freaking out, like, everything's chaotic. He's seeing them dance around their fangs and they're all looking at him. That's a lot of blood. That's a lot of cherry juice or whatever they use.

Yeah, whatever the fuck they use. Everybody's covered. And so he's trying to get out of there. They're beating the fuck out of him. And when they, after they beat the fuck out of them blade shows up Disney owns more like they're ready to kill them. I don't think they're gonna make something this blood-drenched for kids I wonder if they're done now with this. There's a new blade that's coming out. Yeah, I heard right

I wonder if it's gonna be like this though Hire me as the writer and it'll be good. I Mean this fucking scenes amazing though. Hire me as the writer and it'll be good. I mean. This fucking scene's amazing, though. This is the first time you see Blade. They're all freaking out. The Daywalker. And they all freak out as soon as they see him.

This fucking scene's amazing, man. Oh, it ended. Oh, you teased me, bitch. This fucking seeds amazing man But I just just talking about this I when I'm like reflecting on like what I like my superheroes are The the Hulk spider-man bat like you did something to me and now you're gonna fucking learn what time it is like Like in yours you tend more towards werewolves, blood, vampires. No, you like the monsters, right? I do.

You're more of a monster guy. But yeah, my point with all of it was just the fact that as a – like I'm a super nerd. Like I fucking buy original comic – like as someone like that, it's kind of surreal to be in a world where these – like someone's mom knows who Tony Stark is right like only nerds would know that right right back in the day so I'm having a very similar feeling on set because I've done artwork or other I've been on movie sets before and I've just I've never been in a scenario where 95% of beef the Netflix show show I did, the cast is Asian. So like, like, uh,

at the height of my gambling, right. When I'm being flown to Macau, when I'm flying and taking every like penthouse suite in Vegas, that was a surreal, like, here's a bus full of hookers. Here's every drug you want, even though you don't do drugs. Here's like, everyone's calling me, sir, Mr. Cho, like that doesn't happen anywhere else in my life, except for there. And then I arrive on set and like, there's a giant Netflix fruit basket. And like, I like, I like open my water, take a sip. And then like a white guy comes and goes, let me get you a fresh water, sir. And I'm like, dude's cool bro and i'm like oh this is why hollywood people are fucked up because this is not natural right this is fucking weird dude like people are licking my like and like i

like it i'm like this feels good but i i'm glad you said that well the thing i said before about like asians i've only seen them as kung fu masters or waiters or nerds i'm like oh i get to play like a real person and i don't have to like code switch or i don't have to pretend to be this kind of asian or that like i'm just me right but the weirdness is the way they treat the stars oh dude i'm like bizarre i was like bro i'll get my own food you know like i get to my room and they're like, and it's like, if acting or Hollywood is a religion or a cult, like, it's just everyone there is buying in, right? Like, the lighting guy wants to be. Well, that's, if you're an atheist and you're really into acting.

Right. You know, there's certain people that are your gods. They're your deities. so yeah i i went as someone who look i don't know how you perceive me but i perceived myself over the last all the spiritual work all the work i've been doing all the insane fucking rehabs and mental institutions i i'm a fucking chill dude that's how i i feel but i didn't that wasn't my role for this character i had to go back to old 19 yeah and so now i'm at with my family at a deli getting a Reuben and you know, my wife's like, that was a very aggressive Reuben order, you know, like, I'm like over here, like,

and I kind of don't like how I feel. And I'm like, you know, I'm talking to Allie, I'm talking to Steve. I'm like, I don't know how you guys do this and not lose your mind. They're like, Dave, you don't have to go method. method and i go i don't know how to not do that like i don't have that button so you're doing meth so you're ordering food in character i wasn't trying to it just was they called it leaking i was leaking like fucking crazy oh okay like i was like that guy because i'm like yeah don't do that and then the thing is like if you're like i play all i act all day with my kid right i'm fucking i'm playing and and then it's fun it's the objective is fun but if i'm waving a gun at someone's face and i'm like

fuck you and that and like ali wong's my friend i don't want to fucking yell at my friend and the guy says cut again fuck you cut fuck you cut at the end of the day like i've just been screaming fuck you waving a gun. And maybe if I grew up as an actor, but I go, that doesn't feel good. That doesn't feel good to me. And so I kind of lost my mind playing this character. And so I checked myself into a mental hospital for a week. Oh, my God, Dave.

I was like, why not? I called this place that I used to go to. So playing this character hit a switch in your brain? I lost my mind. Really? Yeah. I lost my mind and then I went to Mississippi. I go there all the time. Can I talk to you about this? Yes. Just the path of the mind.

Right? How flexible is the idea of losing your mind? Like, is it when you're when you're at a good state of mind, you're in a good state of mind and something comes along. Like, how flexible is your mentality? Does it immediately go into this new groove? Like, if you decide you're going to be in character, you're going to play this asshole, does that become you? Like and how much of who we are or who we assume we are is just a program that we're running so that the weirdness of life doesn't give us unbearable anxiety.

So we're running a program. us unbearable anxiety so we're running a program and that program is most of your past thoughts and experiences and the things you've learned and done and then interface that with the rest of the world but if you decide because you're playing in a role that you're a fucking asshole like i wonder how much of what we are is choices where for you it was just acting because you wanted to be an asshole for a movie but for other people like how much of who you are is because of the the way people behave around you and how like how vulnerable are we to other people's behavior and thinking and just like let's go back to the hodza where you're talking about these people all eating those brains for them that is completely normal yeah

it's completely normal highlight so it doesn't right so it doesn't feel bizarre for you culturally you've never experienced this before you're there it's wild you're like holy shit this is crazy to see that all of it's crazy to see. But isn't that – that seems to be the fucking case with everything. I think the human mind, like what we accept and what becomes normal to us, I think it's very malleable, really malleable. Oh, I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. And as someone, if you're a really good human or artist that you have walls down and you're like, yeah, like a conduit, then then things affect you. If if I'm like jaded and my walls are like this, then I could watch a snuff film or like have the worst shit happen. And it's just like, whatever. I could see a guy dying on the street.

But don't you think if you did, if you had that way of thinking, you couldn't be creative. if you did if you had that way of thinking you couldn't be creative it's almost like that way of thinking like you're putting up a barrier to sensitivity which is like so important for any kind of art you have to be sensitive well look part of just existing part of existing for me like people when i think of like how people are sensitive to uh racism right now right like i and they're like i can't believe they made a racist joke or whatever and i'm like i grew up in the 80s the 70s and the coolest kid at school would be like david chow how do you say your name chow ching chong and guess what i would do if it was like a disney movie i would like stand up hey you can't talk to me

that's not what happened i laughed i was like i don't know what to do in this moment. And I don't want to like go against everyone else is laughing. So I guess I'll just laugh. Yeah. And I'll just laugh. So I'm like laughing at a racist joke in the 80s against me, because that's the mask or whatever. and I think what you're asking it depends how open you are how sensitive you are to other people's energies and also just quite frankly if you're an addict or not if you have that addict but you become another person while playing a person like this is a narrative in movies

where a pandemic hits and then a person becomes a savage right like that is in The Last of Us that the gentlemancal what is his name pedro pascal pedro pascal amazing in that show yeah but that's the role he he was a normal guy right and then all of a sudden you know we're spoiler alert he's not a normal guy by the end of the show right that this that human beings can become other things. Very quickly. Very quickly.

That's what's so weird about behavior. I mean, you saw, you were in, like, were you in LA when the pandemic started? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, you go from normal to about to kill someone over toilet paper. Yeah. That, what was that, a week into the pandemic?

It wasn't very long. Yeah, it's... There was no real disruptions. No real disruptions to work, but what I'm saying is, like, food was available. Right. And the power was on. And, you know, the what got crazy during that time was even under the best case scenario of a total disruption of the country, because the best case scenario would be it's not for a war. because the best case scenario would be it's not for a war. It's not, you know, like the power doesn't go out.

Like there's a lot of scenarios that you could see way worse than what the pandemic was. But look at the fucking damage it did. Look at the damage it did to people psychologically. Look at the damage it did to businesses, to small businesses. Look at the damage it did to information. Look at the damage it did to information look at the damage it did to you know propaganda and the way people think about the news i mean look at the damage it did to the idea that the people that are running the country have a good sense of how to take care of things like this i

mean fear i mean fear real or imagined is i mean there's a quote about it where like most of these things that you're scared of will almost never happen, right? So you live a life like wound up, guns, you're like ready for the worst thing and it'll never happen. But that's before the pandemic. Right. See, there was people that were like that already. Yes. And then the pandemic came along and cracked them. Yeah.

And there's a lot of folks like that. I was looking at tanks on Craigslist. I was like, I'm going to buy a tank, dude. There's a lot of people that got cracked. I was looking at that helicopter where a tank could go into. I was looking on websites for that. Well, that's why we freak out at things like The Walking Dead. Because we know that if things go south, people will revert to their worst instincts quickly when there's no internet and there's no way to share information and communicate that someone did this and this happened.

And if there's no, like, you could take a film of someone murdering someone and then they'd catch that guy from the news. I mean, that happens now, right? Right. But if you're in walking dead times, there's no power. Right. Right? So no one knows what the fuck is going on. And the only way people organize, they get together and they yell.

Some guy yells at a group of people. And then they do barbaric shit. And this is what the nature of human beings has been for many thousands of years. That's why it's so easy for us to snap back into us. Right. And culturally, there's a reason why we like superheroes, because we want someone to come save us. Exactly.

Culturally, there's a reason why zombies are fucking so big right now. Right? Zombies weren't this big back, you know? It's because when you see a new movie, new sci-fi, it's always post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic, post-apocalyptic. It's on our minds. It's on our soul. It's like, we're going to fuck this up.

Yeah, it's heading this way. And it's, look, as someone who was raised in the church, like, the Apocalypse Revelations is the shortest book in the Bible. So you're like, you go, oh, it's like just like 20 pages or whatever. What happens in those 20 pages like spans thousands of years. So a lot of people discuss that we're in that now, right? Yeah. So people go, oh, AI like this and that and, you know, whatever. I'm sure you have way smarter people to talk about that.

But I go back to that's one by Metallica. that's one by metallica and if we can go back to early 2000s that's lars ulrich from metallica trying to sue or all of metallica trying to sue sean parker at napster yeah and it's like genie's out of the bag bro like you can't control that like that's i think they didn't have any idea what was coming nor how could they and so we really thought that that was just it's it's so difficult to see where like one invention goes exactly it was just napster and that was it for the end of time right but maybe control but it's the thing that never loses technology yeah there's no stopping it right never lose and it's like what do you and so that's actually when the first time sean parker reached out to me and he's

like bro i want to get a painting for you from you, but I'm being sued for a trillion dollars right now from like every single and you know, whatever they got out of that. But I'm saying it had the genie was out of the box, Pandora's box, whatever. And, and so that was back then. Right. And now we live in an age where most kids don't pay. Like if I wanted to listen to music, I had to take a risk and buy something at tower records, get a job. And then shit, man, the single was good. And the rest of that, you know, like you had to risk, but now because we have access to all the porn, all the documentaries, all the comedy, all the music, it's like in that way, everyone's wealthy, right? Anybody can have access to anything, um, or find a way to steal it or have it with very low risk of getting caught right right and so people don't understand we have what's out ai for the consumers right but some of the people we know like this shit is bonkers dude and i talked to jamie about it like you will never fucking be able to believe like i could come home and be like, AI, suck my dick.

AI, I want to listen to Carpenters, but I want Ice-T to sing it. AI, my dad was really shitty to me. Put him up a hologram. Have him say all the apologies I wish he said, but he never said. AI, Ozarks, but all Asian. Change the ending to The Sopranos. Deepfake. That's coming.

That's here. It's not perfect yet. It's getting real close. And so what does it do? arcs but all asian change the ending to the sopranos deep fake like that's coming that's here it's not perfect yet it's getting real close and so what does it do it brings the temperature the fear up right like a lot of my friends have lost their jobs a lot if i if i was still trying to sell art i'd be fucking out of a job like ai paints way better than i do. And so what did Metallica have to do? Tour, right? ACDC, Stones, like 90 years old, still fucking touring. And so it's like what we were saying again.

That's here now? You could sign papers and shit to try to make that go away? That's a fucking insane monster that's here now. And of course we would love it if it was best case scenario and it was here to aid humanity and do all that

but we've seen enough Terminators, like the things it's a human that made that, right? So it's gonna probably be really racist it's probably gonna be super sexist it's probably gonna be like psychopathic it's probably gonna and so I go I could go I go, I could go to fear.

I could go to hate or I could go to acceptance, adapting and our religion of love. And so whatever that, whatever, like that's a gift. If you're like working at a job and you're like, wow, AI is a self-driving car. Now I'm out of my truck driving job or I've learned my whole life how to like edit sound and now that's done like all that it's almost like freeing you to be the whatever is coming next and so whatever your version of touring is right which is the third space again it's human connection like you can't make if you're if forget metallica if you're like a new band most people aren't buying cds tapes records so you have to sell merch you have to go out human connection. Like you can't make, if you're, if forget Metallica, if you're like a new band, most people aren't buying CDs,

tapes, records. So you have to sell merch. You have to go out, you have to perform, you have to meet people, you have to have connection. So whatever that version of that is for you as a human, no more like,

like you're going to have to move away from technology and more to human connection. Okay. That's my belief on it because it's fucking scary as shit and i could choose to live in fear and be scared or like like people are losing their livelihoods that they spent their life on like yeah that that aspect of it is terrifying because people aren't stable financially enough to deal with the entire industry going away. I fired my lawyer. Like I asked chat GPT,

like my lawyer costs 600 bucks every time I pick up the phone. And I was like, as a test, like, here's the questions. And you know, I always got to do 10 minutes of salt, small talk.

I'm like, that's a hundred bucks right there. You know, I'm like, I don't care about your kids, dude. Just tell me, tell me what I want to know.

So he gave me a very similar answer than the chat GPT. I'm that's a phone call i'm never gonna have to make again wow boom done the guy that does like you know but now that guy's free to pursue the next chapter of his life you know whatever if if something's available the problem is what what you know people like andrew yang were worried about was this mass disruption of our economy where automated things and things done through AI remove most jobs. And so we have this abundance of wealth that's available to things like the war in Ukraine and some other stuff. We need to consider something like a universal basic income. And it's not saying that just for people to never work, you don't have to work, we'll just give you money. That's not what it is.

Right. You have to figure out a way to give people enough money to survive if everything goes away because everything might go away. Right. That's where it's sketchy. And what's really sketchy is what we might be doing is making a new life form. And I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I think we're an electronic caterpillar that's going to become a butterfly. I think we're not going to be people anymore.

And I think there's going to be a transitionary period where people are cyborgs and they integrate with technology and it becomes mandatory because everybody does it, just like everybody has a smartphone. And then it's going to get to a point in time where they're going to be able to figure out how to either replicate consciousness or transport consciousness. Like this is the Ray Kurzweil stuff. Ray Kurzweil believes that you're going to be able to download whatever consciousness is into some new form of, you know, whatever it is, quantum computing or something.

It's coming. It may be coming. It may be coming. And this is what I think it does. I think it makes a better version of it, and that makes a better version of that. And I think it happens really quickly. And I think it basically becomes God.

Right. I think it basically becomes a creative force of the universe. If something just becomes infinitely more capable of manipulating its environment and change right like a human being what we have done that the most devastating thing we've ever done by far is create atomic bombs right we've created a device that have dropped upon a city it vaporizes everything it's the most fucking insane thing people have ever done but we did it and we we can't put that genie back in the bottle it exists that that's a thing that

exists and if if we could do that what could something that is as far evolved past us as we are from lower primates what if there's some new version of humans that's like a cyborg that integrates with technology like integrates with some insane computer bank that has the ability to manipulate everything, manipulate gravity, create portals, travel through space instantaneously to grasp ideas that are beyond our comprehension right now. It's not, if you keep going a thousand years, it's not like we're going to figure everything out

and just be stuck. No, they're going to, each invention, each technological innovation will compound upon the other ones. And we're going to get to some place that's impossible for us to imagine today. Oh yeah. Impossible.

Impossible. Just like. Shit's about to get weird. Yeah. Like fucking weird. When we were kids, like there was a commercial that I just saw somebody put up on Twitter. It was hilarious. It was a device that people had back in the day where it was like Velcro on your phone and you would slap this thing that's like a headset and you would put it on so that you could talk on your home phone while you like doing the dishes and shit. And I was like, they thought that was the shit. Like, it looks so dumb. But that's what I'm saying.

Like, my dad is old, but like sometimes I work with like older people. And like, say you're 90 years old, right? So your life is candlelight, no electricity. Like, if you're like almost 100 years old, that was your reality, right? You lived in a time pre-internet pre cars horse and buggy Candlelight and if you're still alive today They're in that like there's a fucking world now where there's Postmates uber fucking everything like Self-driving cars like this world looks fucking insane to those people it was fucking insane right so that's what?

That's the thing. This is the thing. Look, the Velcro just slaps. Look at the headset. One size fits all. Look at this. Stays firmly in place. Look at this shit.

Oh, I gotta get that. Bro, this is amazing. This guy's washing his slick 1984 car. 1993. Wow, look at that. 1993 is not that long ago. Not that long ago, man. Not that long ago.

And that was like the coolest shit that anybody figured out. That looks like 70s or something. Bro, I used to have a headset. I used to have a wireless phone, like a wireless phone that would clip to my belt with a belt buckle. Like this big? And then I had like a headset that was one of those office headsets that like a secretary would use. And I would walk around my house, talk on the phone. I thought I was the shit, bro.

Wow. I got a headphone. You were the shit. I got my wireless phone is on my belt. I'm reading a book right now. I'm listening to a book. I should sell. It's called Dissolving Illusions.

It's all about disease. And it's about the early days of the 20th century and how horrific the conditions were in cities and how people lived in just filth. It's so sad, man. And to hear about these children that were forced into labor at like eight years old on coal mines. It's fucking horrendous. But a reminder of what's possible exactly when you look at that and you look at today in a way like if you live in like a modern city like even a homeless guy is rich compared to that right yeah this book is let me give the author's name just

yeah um homeless there it is you found oh you got it that's it yeah suzanne humphries MD and how do you say this gentleman's name Roman mystery I'm mystery a mystery I'm B YS this is the onyc a mystery on ik wrote Suzanne Humphries MD and Roman mystery on it mystery on it yeah so it's dissolving illusions disease vaccines and the forgotten history and it's all just about you know like well the beginning of, where the part I'm at right now is just like a horrific disease. It's like you can't even, yeah. Just the conditions that people had to live in

and that everyone lived in back then, it's just so disturbing. It's so disturbing because you realize that, like, these people were just poor and they were just stuffed into these areas and everybody lived like this and they were just in each other's filth and oh so in the same way if you lived in that you would never imagine we would be like this right where we are now we'll never imagine what's coming exactly what we know little of is frightening yeah

i mean i'm guilty like i know what i know you like samurais i know you like aliens but i know you don't like the nerd shit I'm into. What kind of nerd shit are you into? How do you know I don't like it? Do you like Legos? No. Yeah. So there's an AI.

I'm not interested in anything that doesn't do the job perfect every time. Okay. It's always going to leave these weird fucking. But I'm sure you've seen it. There's so much AI of you talking to Jordan Peterson or like someone else talking about like very specific nerd details of Bionicle Legos or D&D like shit that

you don't normally talk about. I'm going to show you something and it's like it's like hilarious. I'm like I like you know I'm like I know it's like my brain knows it's not real but I'm like wow Joe's talking really like you know really like super into curious about Legos right now. No, not that interested in Legos. Yeah, I know you're not. I think they're

cool. I loved them when I was a kid. I want to send you this thing, Jamie, this is an artist who makes these things out of chocolate. It's fucking incredible. I mean, like one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Like, I can't believe this guy can do this. And how I want to know how long it takes it because it's one of them TikTok style videos where you only see like clip after clip after clip. And it's like very condensed version of how he does this. And he made a fucking raptor, like a Jurassic Park raptor. And it's big. Look at this. Check this out. Go big with that so you can see this.

This is fucking insane what this guy's doing. He's making molds. I like his smile. Oh, he's having a great time. Well, he knows it's dope. He knows he makes dope shit. Oh, my God. I mean, this guy makes dope shit, dude. Look at this, man.

This is the biggest fucking chocolate I've ever seen in my life This is all chocolate you could eat that thing. How could you eat it though? How could you or how could you not? How could you not you're captain chaos? How could you not eat it? You'd have to eat it, right? Look how beautiful this is though. Like look at the talons. He's putting together this guy's fucking amazing Wow What is his name? Like, look at the talons he's putting together. This guy's fucking amazing. Wow. What is his name? Omri Guchon. A-M-A-U-R-Y-G-U-I-C-H-O-N.

I don't know where he's from. I just found this yesterday. The fucking eye moves? Dude. It rolls around inside the head. He's got it, like, loose in there. Look at that, man. That's chocolate, but like all this stuff's incredible to where's he from? says Yeah, I don't know if he's in America

I don't know where he is it's got a lot of countries up up on there So he must perform in different places and put those things together But that's like some of the most incredible shit I've ever seen. And that's total next level stuff, right? Like I've never, I don't know if other people are doing this because I'm ignorant to it, but I've never seen a chocolate fucking raptor like that. Well, like that's amazing. The sculpture you have right there.

Oh yeah, that's amazing. But could be 3D printed, right? Oh, I don't know how he makes it, but it's an artist in Japan. No, I'm like, I'm guessing know how he makes it, but it's an artist in Japan. No, I'm guessing that he actually made that with his hands, but I'm saying, we are like that chocolate guy? Right, right, right. That could be 3D printed. Right, it could be.

In another world, right? It could be done now in an easy way, but you wouldn't value it. Well, maybe we wouldn't, but kids don't give a shit, right? Some people do. It means a lot in some circles. This could be an awkward conversation.

Uh-oh. Like, Jamie's job is probably going to be irrelevant if it isn't already. I told him already. No, no, no. I got three years or something. No, no, no. No, I'm saying. No, no, no.

Half of this show is the fun of pull that up, up Jamie and then and I'm like what kind of bullshit ass link is this find me some shit on duck duck go let's there could be a good AI that could be fuck so that's my whole history I'll feed it some videos listen that's what I'm saying it's like no chance no because everyone's gonna want to know that Jamie's here right exactly so even if that's what I'm saying yes you still want the human content, right? Like if the AI is here and it's like every single editing, bring that up, Jamie. And maybe even you can trick them.

There's a deep fake voice that's doing like, all right, Joe, or whatever. Like you would still, for you, you'd be like, I like Jamie as a person. Like I want him here. I like him, you know. Well, it's an intangible part of the vibe. If you just decide that that's not a part of the vibe and Jamie's not here anymore, I would feel it. I would feel. Well, it's an intangible part of the vibe. If you just decide that that's not a part of the vibe and Jamie's not here anymore, I would feel it. I would feel a loss. Right. Let me give you an example. Love you, Jamie. There's a thing about things that people do,

and this is like the concern about AI art. And I know a lot of people have concerns about AI art, and I get where they're coming from, particularly with taking jobs away from illustrators. And it's going to be a problem if it's not already a problem it is a problem there's a thing i'm sure it's a problem i don't even know why i'm hedging that but there's a thing that people really love about i love things that someone made like to me that's fucking giant that means everything to me right like this thing this is uh by this guy um shane against the machine and this is a chimpanzee skull that's made from zilgen symbols.

I fucking love this thing. This guy makes shit. Like you go to his Instagram page and he's making... You can see the texture of the symbol. You couldn't... If you did that with a 3D printer it wouldn't mean anything.

It would still be dope. Like if someone gave me that and it was 3D printed I'd still think it was dope. But knowing that a guy made it, it's way more dope. And that's what we're moving towards is. Eh, I don't think you and I are. And I think as long as we can express the value.

No, I'm saying we're moving towards. Oh, yes. You're going to have to make stuff by like. Yes. It's going to be less. It'll mean more. Yeah, it'll mean. It means more.

It means more. It's real. This is this guy's version of Metallica. You have to. Exactly. You could mass produce shit, but that's going to have less value to someone like me. It's a giant thing in the world of pool cues. In the world of pool cues, there's computer-made pool cues where they're made on this lathe and it doesn't ever fuck up.

And those pool cues are just about design right and just beautiful execution but in the world of handmade pool cues there's some motherfuckers that are like cutting right there's this guy named um well my buddy john showman's one of the best examples he makes pool cues where they are cutting these points into this wood and they have all these layers of wood and it's a big block and they spin it on a lathe until it becomes the perfect diameter and they make sure the wood has a good harmonic sound to it they like donk it on the the concrete to get a sound my friend eric crisp he takes every shaft and he dinks he listens to the sound that it makes when it bounces off the cement so he wants to know they have the right harmony and that the woods, the harmony of the woods go together.

So the artisanal pool cue guy is like how many of those are in the world? There's quite a few. There is? Yeah. I mean, not in compared to like how many lawyers there are. Right. I mean, there's, but there's dozens. There's dozens all over the world.

And there's a lot in japan too there's this uh one company called zen cues out of japan that's doing fucking phenomenal stuff like super artistic shit and pool cues but the but the rate at which you know like i started earlier with you today talking about like how i figured out the money game or the thing like the ai can figure that out in two seconds right like a it could catfish the shit out of anyone so in that same way it will figure out how to make imperfect stuff to give it a handmade look and then i i honestly think you're good so then the value will be in the documentation of it yeah so here's there's a go to uh north demon cues there's this guy guy in China that makes these fucking beautiful pool cues and he documents

a lot of the construction of it on these tiny little things that he's inlaying in there with silver and copper and he's setting it all. Look at this fucking gorgeous work, man. This guy's doing this. I mean, there's photos of his lab where he

puts all this stuff together But his cues are fucking gorgeous beautiful their works of art and they play really good, too It's like crazy combination because you can't just have that it has to be balanced It has to have a feel when you drive through the ball and you can make amazing stuff with computers You can make amazing stuff with machines But you're you're not gonna feel it in your hand and know that a man on the other side of the world constructed this. And he did it in his workshop. And he did it with machines like sanding things and sawing things and lining it up perfectly.

It's incredible. So someone who's in the position of like, that's my passion or my hobby. I love making handmade pool cues, but that doesn't really pay the bills. So I'm going to go towards law school. Like now that your job is taken away, it's going to push this. This is what I, one theory that could happen or one path. Let me just stop you right there. Because in the world of pool cues, those guys have like a three-year waiting list.

Some of them have a 10. Southwest cues might have a 16-year waiting list. But that them have a 10. Southwest queues might have a 16-year waiting list. But that's like with any specialty thing, right? The guy who hand makes knives or jackets or whatever, like the ones that are the best will always have a... But if you're out there right now and you're like, fuck, I got to... If this is moving towards cyborg god level

and it's not evil and it's not trying to kill us and it does make the world a better place where it's like 3d printing houses for everyone and figuring out how to grow its own food. And you don't actually need to make that much money because it's like providing for you. Then you're going to have to figure out how to like be a person and live with and like, you know, have a Jamie or have friends and, you know, more human experiences instead of just living online all the time. My legitimate concern is we're going to be amongst the last of the people. That's my legitimate concern. My legitimate concern is the idea that we would never be here is so outside the realm of possibility that we don't even think about it. Then we better party fucking hard.

But I think if you think about all the other planets that don't have any life, and the idea that this one life is going to prevail, why, just because it's us and we're awesome? Like, I don't believe that. And whether it's by nuclear disaster, you know, whether it's war, nuclear war, whether it's some horrific natural disaster, whatever it is, it easily could happen.

And the idea that it wouldn't. But this thing that we create, if we create this thing, and this thing figures out the possibilities of these things happening, and also figures out asteroids that are coming that we aren't aware of because we don't have the capability, but it does. So it figures out a better way to detect asteroids and a better way to deflect them and then can protect the earth and make sure that at least that aspect of the natural disaster, you know, problem chart is going to be solved, right? Okay. Now we know we have an iron shield, like, you know, like Jerusalem has, right? Like we have an iron shield over the earth and no asteroids ever going to fuck us up. So now we've got to deal with super volcanoes. Maybe AI can do that. Maybe AI can say, you know what, if we just drill in from under the ocean in this direction, we can relieve some of the pressure by having the lava

go into the ocean. And then it'll stop this idea of having a fucking caldera super volcano that wipes out everything on the continent. Cause those happen all the time too. Those happen every, you know, whatever, a million years or so. So are you scared? You're, I mean, not scared. I'm in acknowledgement in acknowledgement of the the just the full scope of possibilities but i'm also acutely aware that i have a desire to think that everything's going to be okay because i'm okay right now and i think everybody has that feeling i think that's a human feeling but that's why you don't think about things like asteroid impacts but if we play out what you just said if if if if we buy in that this is it like

we're the last of the this we might not be we might not but let's just say it is yeah then what should we be doing with our time nothing just enjoy your life there's not a goddamn thing you're going to be able to do to stop the progression party up in here it's like stopping the rain you're not going to stop the rain once it starts raining you know it's not you're not stopping it it's the it'll stop on its own it's the dudes playing their instruments as the titanic is sinking it's like if it's happening you could panic and try to get to mars or in the lifeboat or whatever or you could just be like it's here it's just one of many possibilities there's other possibilities too one of them might be that we embrace psychedelics and

we change culture and and human beings start behaving in a way that's more consistent with what we would like to see from an advanced civilization. I just had Rick Doblin on my- I did too. I just had him on too. He's awesome. This mic smells like Rick Doblin. That guy. He's the best. He's been in the trenches for decades. Hearing him say that he decided to get into psychedelic therapy when he was like 18, 19 years old. I'm like, how did you? It wasn't even legal back then. But this guy's been on that grind forever. So the only like, I don't fucking know shit about NFTs, but I made one.

It's like buying a painting where I paint over like 20 times. Right. And I donated all that to M maps and like that's awesome like rick like psychedelics saved my life it's like connected me to like a part of myself i would never get to through western therapy or whatever so i've i've known rick for a while you know we talk here and there and i said hey i have a show called the cho show you want to to come on? And he came in and like, because he's been in the trenches, cause he's this close to getting it. He went into like kind of politician mode and like, bro, like you could do that on any other show. Like, um, what's the, like the most intimate thing we can do? Like, I'm not trying

to fuck you or anything like that. And, uh, and, uh, I said, you know, a lot of people, like for me, the most intimate thing you can do with someone is like touch their face like you know so so we touched each other's faces for like 20 minutes and then the rest he's an mdma guy that's normal if you're we were i didn't have to you know he's like let's do it so he touched my face and i closed my eyes and i was like this guy and like i had a like, you could say it's bullshit. I had a deeper conversation doing that than if we actually exchanged words. So we touched our face for a long time. And then when he started talking to me and look, like, I, I want to have fun.

Like, show me how to have fun. Like, it's just life just grinds you down. And it's all about, you know, people say that the journey from your head to the heart is the longest journey you'll take in your life. And it's been true for me. That's interesting. I like that. Because everything is, like, people apply way too much logic, right? They're like, how come, what the fuck's that?

Like, the stats, it doesn't match up. It doesn't make it. I'm like, feeling. We're so far from feeling. So I just wanted i was like i have you on rick i want to feel you he touched my face i touched his face and then we just talked in gibberish for like an hour like and like i you could say we're silly goofing off which that's part of it but it's like in the times where words have failed me like i can never like fully

i always feel that i can sometimes get closer when i paint or do something like where i express my art but like talking is has limited me in times and so for me to talk to him in like hut teas or tongues or some weird shit that just came out of me and just came i mean that guy's the master and i just felt like so connected to him in that moment and i was like i like, what else is there to say? Yeah, no, that guy is so valuable. He's the best. His work is so valuable.

He's the man. And what I was saying earlier, I didn't mean that somehow or another that's going to stop the inevitable, that if we embrace psychedelics. But I do think it would be very beneficial if we did it in a way where people who understood how to do it were administrating it to more people not for everybody i'm not saying it's for everybody but it's for a lot of people well the thing they say what i think is even if we do that we're still faced with this fucking real crisis of artificial intelligence it's a real crisis because if it gets switched, if it goes to that thing, does whatever it wants, we have zero to do. We have nothing to say. We are now the inferior species.

We are 100% at the mercy of our robot overlords. And that was, you know, Marshall McLuhan had a fucking amazing quote from the 1960s. He said, human beings are the sex organs of the machine world. Isn't that amazing? It might be true. McLuhan wrote that in the 60s. Am I paraphrasing that? I don't think I am.

It sounds good. I think that's exactly how he said it. But that is what we do man and if that's what we do like there's so many instances of that in nature where a thing becomes another thing the caterpillar has no fucking idea what it's doing when it's making a cocoon it's just doing it it doesn't have the cognitive ability to understand that it's making a protective air at least we don't think it does as the ability to make a protective casing in which it's going to morph and change into a completely different thing with fucking wings. I mean, that's going to pop out of that thing and fly away like the most universally regarded as beautiful insect that we have.

So in the same way, like a weightlifting dude in the 50s would not recognize like a roided out like modern super both guy. They'd be bad We're not gonna recognize what humans way more of a job way more It'll be a way more of a jump might be a jump outside of the biological Hey when you get your wings and I get my wings we're gonna fly we're gonna have a good time We're gonna fly bro. We're probably gonna fly without going anywhere. That's what's gonna be really weird I think I think human beings are gonna be able to do that, if we stop and think about it right now, seems ridiculous. I think we're going to be able to make contact with other life forms. Here it goes.

Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs of the machine world, as the bee of the plant world, enabling it to fecundate and evolve ever new forms. The machine world reciprocates man's love by expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth. That's from Understanding Media, 1964. Jesus. McLuhan was a brilliant, brilliant guy. But that quote, human beings are the machine world's sex organs,

is fucking, it's such a nutty thing to think. But man, it's in nature. It's in so many different, there's so many different forms of life where one form of life takes over another form of life and uses it to birth a new thing, like aquatic worms that convince a grasshopper to jump into a pool and drown so that it can be born you've seen those right yeah like that shit exists all throughout nature maybe the lure of

your phone oh six hours a day what you just described right now is actually how i view you right like what oh no no i mean in a like well look i also view myself that way but you are not the same you know like people can see someone then see them physically. But like when I see you and I say you're beautiful, like I see your soul, which someone could be like, that's some hippie dippy shit. But I feel energies. Like once you could use your words, like I'm not like, like I'm not an intellect scholar or whatever. So you could destroy me like in a verbal thing or someone smarter. But like, I'm like, what? Like, I'm always like, what? Where are you coming from? What's your soul telling me, right? So you're not the same person that you were 10 years ago, five minutes ago, right?

So I feel like, I don't want to call it a parasite, but like something you're in touch, like you're in touch with something that's created this newest form of Joe that I'm meeting today That's not the same guy met like 15 years ago. It's just constant work Constant work and constant thinking well, and I spend a lot of time evaluating my thoughts. Yeah, you know I spent a lot of time evaluating my

Why I think about things and what what I'm thinking and you know Whether or not I'm being influenced or whether or not I'm being When I'm being egotistical or confused and like why do I behave the way I behave like what could I do better? And I just I'm always thinking about it and you were and that's that's head stuff, right? And you know, you're already thinking about it. But then to do psychedelics, would you agree like sent it even? Yeah, right changes everything so marijuana first marijuana first changed it And then I think there's a lot of people that go through life without any Perturbance of normal consciousness that are missing out on the possibilities of looking at yourself

In a way that you can't do without a psychedelic or I've never been able to maybe you can do with yoga or some Forms of meditation. I don't want to say you can't do it. I said, but I will say I've never been able to do. Maybe you can do it with yoga or some forms of meditation. I don't want to say you can't do it. But I will say I've never done it. I've never experienced like the revelations that I've had about life through any other form other than maybe, I mean, there's love and childbirth and there's some pretty profound moments that seem very psychedelic in life. Childbirth seems very psychedelic. That's the most surreal thing ever.

When you see a baby being born into the world and the love that you have is like you're on a drug, it's so bizarre. It's so bizarrely psychedelic. But there's a bunch of those experiences that transcend us in the regular world. For some people, it's a near-death experience. Some people, it's coming back from something where they realize like, oh my God, I almost lost everything. And now I have a newfound love and appreciation for the world. But I think psychedelics do that without the harm. And even though you did, so you've done your own psychedelics. I've, we've never done it together. No, like I've done it, but because you've done those things and I've done them. Now we have a shared language when we meet where it's almost to me, it might not be for you, uh, kind of

telepathic. And it's like I've almost died multiple times. I have children. I've had all those amazing, and you're right, those create a euphoric drug-like, and psychedelics surpasses that for me. What's a different thing? It's a different thing because it's not in this material realm. It's this thing of whatever that dimension of thought and beings and consciousness is i don't know what that is but it doesn't exist

here right so you can only take the information that you get from that and bring it back to here i think that's where a lot of people lose some of it like it's hard to take that they take that experience and like how do you apply some of that to your life without like recognizing that the way you're living currently is not optimal can i can i tell you what one of those things was for me very very recently do you believe i have to pee again go pee so much this is preposterous but i'll pee one more time and we'll wrap this up okay um this is something i can't i when i watch it on youtube or on spotify i don't see but like that painting of you like i always thought that line coming i

thought it was like you had a rat tail like anakin skywalker or something and it's the it's a broken uh yeah wires cords um yeah so let me tell you something so um going back to aliens and God and the spirit world being like funnier than any comedian I've ever met. That's hilarious. So what you're just telling me. I want to tell people though, before you, you did stand up and it was very funny. You just stand up, you only did it once and you did it like it was at UCLA, right? Yeah. And I watched it.

I watched the whole thing. I did it three times. I did it three times. Yeah. I thought at that time, I think that was it I watched I did it three times I did it three times yeah okay I only I thought at that time I think that was the first time you did it right yeah you were in the blue suit was it a blue suit red suit that's right dude it was very funny thank you it was good I was like this guy could be a comic thank you and I remember I called you and I told you that wow yeah thank you so much you could do that like you could do you're one of those weird fucking dudes like Howard Stern when you start painting you could do that. Like, you could do, you're one of those weird fucking dudes. Like Howard Stern. When you start painting, you could do.

But I think most of us are like that. I just go all in. I just like. I know, but that, you do. But that same reason, like, I know I'm kind of joking with you. Like, why do you think that you could win fucking Survivor? Because there's other people like you out there. But I know, I love the fact that you don't think there is.

Can you tell me if this is true? I heard that your new comedy club, which I can't wait to wait to check out like you have to put your phone into that lock thing before you go in just hearing that like just like when i did yeah there was cell phones the first time i did it but like i i just to know that you could literally say anything you could say anything and it's not gonna come you know and maybe do a show, dude. Like it's, we'll put you in the little room. It's a love. The little room,

the little room is the shit. It's the fucking most honest room in the world. 120 seats. It's fucking incredible. It's like, you're in there. You're like, wow.

Thinking about doing standup is probably the same reason why I still work out at like the worst 24 hour fitness. This is what I'm trying to do to you. I'm trying to get you to move to Austin, do jujitsu and do standup. What am I trying to do to him? In, in, in. But to go back before pee break, the thing I wanted to say.

Aliens. Okay, so my life or my experience or my journey with psychedelics is 35 was the first time I ever did anything. Like I'd never done drugs. Maybe I smoked weed once with BJ Penn before something, but I did it once. He's like, you're not going to smoke with the champ, bro. And I'm like... You got to smoke with BJ. Oh, man. That's like smoking with Snoop Dogg.

I took one hit of whatever, how powerful that shit was, and I couldn't move. When did you meet BJ? I met BJ through Pat from Ruka 20 years ago maybe like bj so you met bj when bj was in his prime oh yeah bj pran is prime to this day i think there was a couple of years of bj pen that i would put up against i would like to see him against anybody at 155 pounds prodigy the prodigy he just

people they they only look at bad performances. And I said this to BJ when he was on the podcast. If you just look at the elite ones, he was so good. He was so good. And when he was really fit, like when he was doing his strength and conditioning with the Marinoviches, like during the Sean Shirk fight and the Diego Sanchez fight. Bro, BJ was a motherfucker. But I know you didn't like how I said Eddie Murphy should quit when he, whatever.

When I look at my friend like BJ Penn or someone like Conor McGregor or Anderson Silva, people that just killed it, right? They just, they took it, elevated it from like- Right. But why quit? Why quit? It's the most fun thing ever. This is what you don't understand.

Like there's, that's the most fun thing to do. It's the most fun thing ever. This is what you don't understand. That's the most fun thing to do. It's the most fun. But losing is fun? It's not always losing. But at the end when they're- They keep thinking they're going to win. Like me, I guess. Like Anderson Silva beat Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in a boxing match when he was like 46 years old.

But like those last few that he got his ass rocked, it changes my image of like... Well, Anderson broke his leg. Whatever. If he's having a great time, fuck it. Do you know the story? No, I know. But when he broke that, when his leg was broke, he was never the same again. He was just not the same guy. And Weidman's KO of him also put a giant dent in him.

I mean, that was a big KO. Weidman caught him with that left hook and just fucking clocked him. And so going from that and, you know, he's advanced age and he's older in his later 30s. Like he didn't even, I don't think he got to the UFC until he was 34. Right. Which for an elite combat sports athlete is like, that's like the very cusp, the top. Like I think Pajeda, Alex Pajeda came at the same sort of age bracket like 34 30 if he's 35 now I guess it comes down to value system of what like if you're

still having a great time but I'm talking about not just fighters but anyone who's operating at a high high wire act level whether that's comedy music fighting it's like no one's the goat forever right you're gonna fucking like like I but it's not even about that just do your best no do your your best It's like no one's the goat forever, right? You're going to fucking like – Yeah, but it's not even about that. Just do your best. Do your best, and it's fun to do that. Do your best, but if at some point people stop laughing, you're starting to lose.

Get better. Figure out what the fuck you lost. Wow. Stop being a bitch. What, are you going to quit? Go take naps? Let's go. It's not –

Let's go, David Cho. Let's go. First of all, I take a lot of naps, and it Let's go. It's not. Let's go, David Cho. Let's go. First of all, I take a lot of naps. And it's not quit. It's pivot. It's adapt, right? It's like you're going to stand here as AI comes at you and you're like, no, I'm still the best. No.

No, now we're talking about some insurmountable obstacle. We're not talking about someone's career that they've already flourished in. We're talking about an insurmountable obstacle. If you're talking about AI, you're talking about a life form. Right. And you're talking about probably the new dominant life form on earth. And probably, that's probably how life gets designed in the cosmos. It probably recognized at a certain point in time, the biological limitations of evolution in regards to these multi-celled

organisms. Right. But if evolution can convince these multi-celled organisms to create something synthetic, that's not dependent on blood or bone and maybe can live off solar energy or live off water, who knows. But if it can do that, if we can figure out that, then the game's over. Well, look, besides the very, very powerful one puff of BJ's weed that I smoked, my drugs, I'm 46 now. So the last 11 years I've done mushrooms eight times. I did ayahuasca three times all in one week that that was the first time. And then very recently, once again, the comedian is back, God, alien, whatever you want to call them. And I was summoned by the guardians of the plant. I aboga from gabon in africa i'd never done it i was like

the last time i did ayahuasca which was 35 the drug told me the medicine told me you're done we've given you enough blueprint enough instructions for you to do for the rest of your life you don't need to abuse us because you like to abuse things like and so so i stayed off that and then my friend called me he's like these guys that just are psychics that like you know go around the world like administering these iboga ceremonies like it's the entire plant grinded up and i was not i was not ready so i'm in a mental hospital because i just finished filming beef i'm trying to like go back to like you said I was very affected by emotions. I'm trying to get back to me, Dave, like peaceful, loving Dave. And, and this guy's calling me from Mexico city saying I've been

summoned by the guardians of the point. Sounds like a movie. And I did the most powerful psych. I mean, I was high for four days where I would go to, like, I couldn't sleep like I couldn't sleep I couldn't eat like and you know not recommended for it was it was way way past what ayahuasca was and we have all humans have operating system if we're like fleshy computers right yeah born and then you you're taught what you're taught and then you kind of that's who I am and that's kind of stuck who you are for the rest of your life and this thing just started making so many jokes at me like it's like you have a living trust you have a will like all the things that like normal wealthy people do or whatever it was just laughing at me he's like you have storage units full of what and so i just in that cycle psychedelic

state in that spiritual state i was like i have so many i'm a hoarder because i'm my mom i collect a lot of shit i have comics i have like rare painting i have a lot of shit where i'm never gonna sell it and like the people like when i, like this is anyone who has a lot of shit. They're probably not going to know. Like I have a lot of stuff that's worth a lot to me because of the sentimental value and then things that are just actually worth a lot of money. And the thing was like, why don't you just give it away to the people who want it while you're alive? And I was like, Oh fuck. And kind of like teasing me. and this is like seven months ago so i've given away like 90 of my personal possessions like and like there's some kid right now wearing like i don't

know why i still have my prom suit that i lost my virginity in like 1992 like congratulations yeah thank you so he has he has that but in my mind ego goes, when I die and there's a Dave Cho Museum, maybe there'll be like a thing of like all my crazy clothes I wore. And I'm like, I'm going to give this to someone. Can you imagine someone going to a museum of your life? Well, like Hard Rock Cafe, right? There's Prince's guitar. Right, okay. But that's like everybody.

Right. That's like every band. Yeah. Freddie Mercury's mustache comb. Right. You know, but imagine your own. Freddie Mercury's mustache comb. Right.

You know, but imagine your own. And so, like, I had, like, a very transformative, I'm not going to do a good job if I try to explain to you what happened, but I know that most people will never do, like, that level psychedelic. But I know, like, a lot of shamans, they don't even do ayahuasca or whatever because they're so in touch with the nature and stuff. So I'm going to save a lot of people money right now. In all my fucked upness, in all the rehabs, all the, this is a common thing at like a super expensive rehab, is there's a thing called TRE, trauma release exercise.

And I did this in Arizona with this guy, Taruno. with this guy Taruno. And from what he tells me, humans and domesticated dogs are the only animals on the planet that after they experience any kind of trauma, carry it in their body for the rest of their lives. Wow. So you have a cheetah chasing like a gazelle

and like getting this close, like scratching its butt. Like if that was a human, you're like, bro, I almost got killed by a fuck you know yeah but then you see the gazelle like a minute later go sip some water in a lake and the butt's doing a little like it's shaking that that insanity out like oh and then it's like it never happened again but if we're whatever this is what's taught to me and to me in my situation it was true if you've had like any kind of trauma you just carry that it's it creates stress anxiety addiction all these things

and so a very common thing and i'm giving this secret away is you go to like an expensive rehab and they give you a tennis racket or a baseball bat and then you hit a pillow or a dummy and you get that out you do this tre trauma release dummy and you get that out. You do this TRE trauma release exercise. And you're like, you know, if you're a fighter or a boxer, you get to get it out in other ways. But most I would say most people have never been in a fist fight or like bash someone's head with a baseball bat or, you know. So to just get the emotion, the feeling of hitting a dummy, I'm like, and these places are expensive. So me as an artist, I go, why not make a mannequin that looks exactly like my abuser?

Or I take it one step further. I'm like, can I just hit a person that's wearing pads? And they're like, Dave, this is like a business. There's lawsuits and liabilities. And I go, oh, well, you could do that because, or you can't do that because you're a professional. But I'm an artist. So I have artistic license.

So a few years ago, this is before you left L.A. You know, this was the worst business decision for me because it cost millions of dollars. And this is what a normal art show is now like. Right. Like a line waiting Banksy, whoever, Damien Hirst. And then everyone comes in takes a selfie they don't give a shit about the art and then they just post like I was there right right and so that same side to me does that irritate you well there's a part of me that's

like well I want to get more likes and more whatever but so in a way it ended up being the best decision that I've business decision ever made because I had a show in an office building where I rented out this entire office building in each room. I had a, I'm trying to re basically steal everything that I learned in all these rehabs and recontextualize it in like a, in an artistic way. Like most people have never screamed their lungs out. Right. And there's movies where you go scream at the ocean. I had one where you walk in a room. This is just like, I'll give you like two of them. You walk in a room and there's a punk band where the lead singer just OD'd as soon as you walk in.

And then they grab you and they go, you need to finish the song. And the song is like written out on the wall. I spray painted the lyrics. It's like, I'm the best, I'm the best, I'm the motherfucking best. And they make you keep screaming it. And then you get to be the lead singer of a, of this. And that's just one room. Right. And then you go in another room and

it's covered with, um, sculptures, like all these found objects, sculptures I made, but, um, I'm doing the fucking thing that I said, I'm not magician giving a list um there's a guy in there and he knows everything about you or not everything but you know you fill out an application so he knows like what's bothering you what causes you the most stress and he goes up to you and he says hey Joe I know you're having some problems right now at home or you know whatever your issue is he goes I I invite you to take that out on me and you're like what and you give you a huge bat and you just beat the shit out of this guy and the harder you beat him he starts laughing and says take give me all of it and you know he's fully protected with police

armor right but then i made it artistic you know so you literally get to beat the shit out of a human and then i was like you have to use the bat i mean the people lost their mind they were started punching kicking you can do that no rules dude i'm not a fucking like i'm not a legit business and then we took it on the road i was like hey go to the park across the street so the guy in this the living sculpture goes across the street and i had a guy with a bat and i'm like anyone who has some shit they want to get off their chest like a lady's hitting this guy with the bat going, Give me my child support. Give me my fucking child support.

Oh, no. What does this suit look like? It's all the police stuff that it could take the impact. And then I did a sculpture on top of it. So parts of the sculpture are breaking off. But underneath, he's protected. Jesus Christ. But from a bat? Yeah yeah was the person hitting him in the head he had it fully neck yeah fully this and and we told them don't don't hit the the like what we learned the hard

way like he got one right here but i was asking but like but your head's gonna get rattled no matter what just from the impact but the you impact and this is four years ago I did this and I'm like like the show I just explained two things that happened at the show and there was like hundreds of rooms so this thing cost me millions of dollars

and it was so impactful for me forget like you know like the difference between like oh I have a million people that went through my show and took a selfie to like i got to connect with people i got to share and so look i mean you told me this on the last time i saw you which is like dave you should start a patreon or do some shit and i was like nah i'm like what i've learned about myself about accountability is in the last 10 years i've given my art away for free

and people don't appreciate free there has to be some skin in the game right i think like when i give away like like a thousand dollar prints for free they go immediately like it must not be good right but the second i charge money they're like oh so like you you tell me where I should go with this because I just started a YouTube channel, like, very recently because I'm, like, I'm, like. What are you doing on it? I'm doing, like, wacky shit, dude. I'm just, like, talking to my inner child. I'm just, like. On YouTube?

Yeah. You know your inner child's not on YouTube. I know. It's, like, I'm doing, like, I'll do a guided meditation on, like. Oh, that's cool. And then I'm like, but that didn't speak to me. I want to do a guided meditation as Wolverine, as Batman, and then I'll put that shit up on.

Just whatever you feel like doing. Just whatever I feel like. And then because through just all the experiments I've done, like that experience, the Cho Show in the building was free. I made my TV show. I have, if you go to the Cho Show now, I have a paid thing now of people. It's like, I don't even know if I really want to do it, but I want some accountability from people, right? Like when things are free, everything's like, oh, whatever. But when you have some skin in the game, at least that's how I operate.

That's always been the case with comedy clubs. Like whenever they give away the tickets for free, it's always a disaster. It's never good. You want people to be there because it's worth something to them. Right. It's an exchange. want people to be there because they're it's worth something to them right it's an exchange so this is the the first thing was the cho show where they're like it wasn't um it was like i could only get like a hundred people through a day because it's such a intense experience for

each person and that was fulfilling for me but if i'm trying to meet people where they're at in the third space and that's online it's like how can how can I teach people everything that I've learned? Because it's such a weird thing. It's such a weird feeling for me to go to a place that costs $100,000 a month. And I'm like, what did I really learn there? They just taught me how to feel again. They redid my operating system and i'm like this and and then like with my kids now and any kid now you go to school to learn two plus two or all the shit that the ai is

gonna do anyways and they don't teach you like how to like get in touch with your emotions or like express yourself in like like all those like very simple things so we kind of grow up robots like these like unfeeling robots like college get married have a kid grow up in a way that facilitates us getting a good job so like my life right now pre like everything i just told you about is just it's dad life i'm chilling like i just i i spend a lot of time with my kids i'm chilling but now i like had a taste of acting i'm like uh i have like uh the youtube thing so i'm i'm i want to make sure you went you acted and you wound up in a fucking mental institution i checked myself i checked myself you wound up in a mental institution one i didn't say

someone dragged you there right but you would want to go back to doing that if it was that seems to me batman wolverine white chicks 2 heat 2 uh well actually i have this show's not even out yet or it might be out when but um like people already hitting me up they're like you're a scene stealer they're saying this shit and so i got a part in the new Batman as the Joker. And I'm calling myself the Choker because I'm the Choster. And the audition person is really, really fucking rough. And they keep having me come back because of my fucking daughter, dude. I'm sitting there going, all day I play Batman.

All day I play Wolverine. All day I do this shit. And it's fun i don't know if i'd have fun like on a set like you know cut chop his head off again cut it's not work the fun thing is seeing the product right that's what's fun about i think i already got your answer you're like fuck acting so i think yeah no i think i'm done i get it for some people it's just like look some like jamie likes golf i've never played golf. You know what I'm saying? It's like that kind of thing. There's a lot of great things out there.

You just can't do more than you're already doing if you're full. And I'm full of stuff to do. I don't have any more stuff to do. I have no room for other stuff. I'm not interested. I like watching other stuff. Doesn't mean I don't like it. Just, I'm not doing it. I don't have the

time. I guess I'm not I guess I'm pretty full like my kids and like that life is but there's still part of me that feels I learned some shit yeah and I I feel like I want to maybe share those things um like I would love to never podcast again I love talking to you but, there's a part of me that feels even hoarderish when I learned something that can help someone and I keep it to myself. Like I've learned a lot of shit. I mean, when a kid asked me today, like how do I make it in the art business? I'm like that. I don't know because anything I made it as an illustrator, as a graffiti art, like none of that stuff's relevant anymore. But the stuff that has to do with fun, feeling again, like, I mean, dude, sorry if I told the story again, but there's an art barn at most rehabs because most of these guys are

like strung up. They like CEOs, whatever. So the one that I went to was like a hundred grand a month. So there's a lot of multimillionaires, billionaires there. And there's an art barn. And I'm like, fuck, yeah, that's where I hundred grand a month. So there's a lot of multimillionaires, billionaires there. And there's an art barn. And I'm like, fuck, yeah, that's where I'm going to escape. And like, you know, and they're like, not for you. I'm like, what?

I can't go in there? And they're like, no, that's where you like, you know, that's how you get high. So you're going to go do something else. And I'm like, fuck. But I would always sneak in and try to like, whatever. So there's a dude in there. And I'm not going to say who he is, but he's like probably one of the most powerful people on the planet he could buy like a thousand or a billion of these rehabs and like just and um and so the assignment is to like draw like your favorite

like food like you know something from your childhood using these acrylic paints but on the next level is the glitter paints, right? And I see this guy holding his hand and I go by the art bar and I'm like looking in the window like jealous. I want to be in there. And I go, one of the most richest, powerful men in the planet is asking permission right now if he can use the glitter paint. And I'm like, and I go, that's it. Cause my kids don't ask for permission, right?

My kid will go into my closet and put on every single piece of clothes and come back. And I'm like, I'm going to do that. When's the last time I did that? Eight, seven years old. And I go and I put on like all my underwear, like, and I just, we have, and then I roll down the stairs and I go and I put on like all my underwear like and I just we have and then I roll down the stairs and I go permission granted. Like people really don't they forgot how to have fun. They forgot how to like be goofy. But if you're like some CEO guy, maybe he wants that. He wants to ask permission for things seem like the same way. Some of those guys want to get kicked in the balls by a dominatrix.

Right. Some of those guys, they like it's like you were saying you had so much pussy you almost wanted to suck a dick. Like, some of those guys have so much power, they want someone to yell at them and humiliate them. They've become tyrants. They've become kings. They've become a master of their domain, and it feels imbalanced to them probably. And that's probably why they seek out getting humiliated. But you walk this, so, so like you know Elon Musk.

I mean you walk – like I feel like we're similar in that way. Like I can go work out at the worst 24-hour fitness and then also be in rooms with those people. The rich and the poor are not that different mentally I find. Your mentality changes with the lack of fear of not having any money yeah you know and some people it doesn't some people they they always think about how they used to be poor and they can never get over the anxiety of the possibility going back to being poor so they just go on like a mad dash to having a fucking heart attack and right you know and other people said that was me you seem settled in now though and i think I'm pretty settled in, too. I'm settled in.

I think I have. I got to wrap this up, my brother. Yeah, yeah, no worries. It's almost 5 p.m. So acting done? Yeah. I'm not interested. And then YouTube channel? Thumbs up or thumbs down?

Yeah, I like it. Yeah, I want you to do whatever you want to do. And if that's what you want to do, yeah, definitely thumbs up. It'd be fun. I'm sure it'll be chaos. And then podcast. And also, like, it'll grow and evolve, too. Like, if you do a youtube channel you'll

you're a very analytical guy you'll look at it and decide oh now i want to try this now i'll try that and then you have this platform now and you're developing the platform completely independently from other people's ideas you could do whatever the fuck you want i just don't want to get devoured by work right you don't have to so youtube channel and then podcast the show show stay the fuck away from acting and no more acting yeah there it is all right thank you my brother it's always a pleasure to talk to you we are the hot shirt too oh yeah thank you that's for you bro thank you thank you man fuck yeah man fuck yeah now the real podcast is gonna start Bye.