The Joe Rogan Experience - #1996 - Andy Stumpf

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

Andy Stumpf is a retired Navy SEAL, record-holding wingsuiter, and host of two podcasts, "Cleared Hot," and the new series "Change Agents with Andy Stumpf."  www.andystumpf.com www.youtube.com/@thisisironclad

the Joe Rogan experience and the stump lad good to see you what's going on man good to see you brother we were just talking about your uh cleared hot podcast t-shirt it was more the Joe Rogan got in trouble t-shirt great things for sales every time the fox news would really yeah i remember texting with you you're like it would be better if it said podcast so people would know what it was yeah so v2 oh it's good to go so now if i get caught saying like trans women aren't women and they yeah the number of times during the pandemic that they

use that picture well it's because they use photos of me at the ufc weigh-ins yeah and i wore your shirt at the weigh-ins a couple times i'm here for it it did great things i'm happy that's well that is generally the idea genuinely the idea of why i wear it at the i mean whenever i wear someone's shirt at the ufc weigh-ins i know's going to be on ESPN and people are going to watch it. So I put it on. Yeah. Trying to give my man some love. I think it was probably a three-week time period where at least once a day

I would see, somebody would send me that picture. One of the problems is in some of the photos of me at the weigh-ins, I'm holding on to the wait list of all the different fighters, what they wait in at. Yeah, because it's ceremonial, right? Exactly. So I have this piece of paper and I have a microphone and I'm addressing the crowd. And when I address the crowd, I do it like this. Like I raise

my hand up and I'm doing this. Like, what's up? Welcome. It's moving. It's not a Hitler. But in the photos, it certainly looks like a Hitler. Today is certainly an awkward day for a photo like that. I got a Henzo shirt on there. So I've wore a bunch of them with John Jock shirts.

But it's just different stuff. Yeah, there's a, what is that one? Oh, that's an honored shirt. Yeah, I wore a bunch of honored shirts. But the whole idea is just, you know, help your friends have they had the one they found have they had the chance to how uh far after the actual weigh-in is that ceremonial one they have about i think it starts in the morning and i think it cuts off at 10 a.m i think they have a certain amount of time where they have to make the weight um so like it's like they can make weight at the weigh-in, at the ceremonial weigh-in. They don't have that amount of time.

But is it hours later? So I'm asking because I'm assuming they start hydrating the second they get off the scale. Yeah, usually we do it at 4 p.m. Sometimes it's a little later. So you've got to think. They have at least six hours. Okay. So they're back on the liquids or however they can.

They can't IV it, unfortunately, because IVs can mask any sort of PED use, I guess, somehow or another. I guess if you're like super, super hydrate, when you piss and they do a piss test, you're just only going to get the fluid. Couldn't they test them before the weigh-in? They could. Yeah, they could. They could test them before the weigh-in? They could. Yeah, they could. They could test them before the weigh-in. I mean, but the thing is, like, when someone's weighing in, drawing blood, these people are on death's door. Yeah.

It's really fucked. I hate weigh-ins. I hate the fact that these guys make weight. Not always, but, like, 50% of the time. Because some guys do it very intelligently. Like some guys are really only cutting a few amount, a percentage of their body weight. Yeah. But some guys are cutting extraordinary amounts of weight.

And it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous. They seem great because they look healthy. But it's very dangerous. It's bad for your organs. It's bad for your kidneys. There's been fighters that have died from cutting weight. And it's also, I've seen these guys on death's door

24 hours before the most savage competition that's currently available that's legal. I mean, that's what it is. It's like you're engaging in a fucking cage fight and maybe for 25 minutes, 24 hours after you were on death's door that's what do you think you start feeling like shit like the first round does it hit you it hits well adrenaline kicks in the first round it definitely limits your uh ability to take shots that's pretty universally agreed

upon is that fighters that have cut too much weight they say it affects their chin it affects your durability because your brain is not going to hydrate at the same rate as your muscles and everything else. Apparently it takes, let's Google that. How long does it take your brain to rehydrate naturally with liquids after you've been dehydrated? Because there's a vast superiority apparently in that regard to IVs. I feel like it would affect your engine, too. Oh, it has to affect everything. It's basically like getting shit-faced, pissed, drunk, fucked up, hungover, doing blow, and then the next day, sort of like, oh, Jesus, I've got to get to the gym.

Like, you're wrecking yourself. Yeah. I've seen guys that can't lift their leg up. When Travis Luter weighed in when he fought Anderson Silva. It was the worst I've ever seen. Travis was walking to the scale, and he was shuffling. The real weigh-in? Yeah, the real weigh-in. He was shuffling to the scale because he missed weight.

It was for the world title, too. And Travis had a very good chance at that time. Travis was one of the best black belts that ever fought in the UFC. He was a killer. He had knockout power in his hands. He could stand and bang with guys, but his jiu-jitsu was fucking top of the food chain at the time. He was good, but he was so depleted. By the time he got into the octagon to that fight, and he missed weight,

so he wouldn't have been able to win the title anyway. So he loses a percentage of his purse, missed weight. He can't fight. It's not for the title anymore. Now it's just a five-round main event. And he's still – you know, it just – it sucks because you see these guys who are super fucking talented. And then you see this massive price that they pay 24 hours before the fight. I feel like –

It's avoidable. Well, I also feel like it would be a better show, too, if they didn't make him do that. I think so, too. Well, you got to – it would be a better show, too, if they didn't make him do that. I think so, too. Well, that's why I got to always give props to Frankie Edgar. Because Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn, and Frankie weighed 155 pounds. That's what he weighed. That was his walk around? You could tell when you looked at him.

He looked like a 155-pound guy. Whereas if you're around some of these guys, some of these guys that are 155, like Charles Oliveira is fucking huge. Like how are you 155? Justin Gaethje, Dustin Poirier, those guys are big. Those guys are like 190 plus. Michael Chandler, he's like pushing 200 pounds. Except for about one minute. Yeah, for a short amount of time.

They suck themselves down to like just these dehydrated dried sponge bones and organs. And then they get on that scale, and then they pump back up, and they look pretty good at the ceremonial weigh-in, and then over the next 24 hours, they rehydrate. And Alex Pejeta, who's probably the biggest example of weight cutting in the UFC, he weighs 185, and you can't fucking believe it for a second. You look at him, you're like, what? Looks like he's chiseled out of marble.

He's a giant. He's a big motherfucker, and he hits hard. He's a scary dude. But I think that his weight cutting, like, you can't do it. You can't say, hey, Alex, would you step in to fight for the title in four weeks? He can't make the weight. He's walking around at 226, 227. He's big.

So for him to cut, he's got to start slowly. And there's like a very methodical process they do with nutritionists and these weight cutting experts. Do you think you could do that over weeks though, say like months out? And then 24 hours later you're going to be performing at your prime? You're not. No fucking way. You're not. You're not.

You're not. You're not. You would definitely be performing better if you didn't have to cut that weight. But there's something to be said for the discipline of cutting weight. Because in order to do that, if you're a 170-pound guy and you're going down to 145, you got to fucking be disciplined. Like, you got to be all in, dialed in. But so many fighters have gone up in weight, and that's been the prime of their career. Jorge Masvidal is a good example of that.

There's a lot of – Robert Whitaker is a good example of that. At 170, he was too big. It was hurting him too much to get down to 170. Hamza Chamayev, he missed weight by eight pounds when he was supposed to be fighting Nate Diaz. Do you get any of your purse if you miss it by eight pounds? You do. Well, fortunately for him, Kevin Holland's a wild man, so Kevin Holland decided to take that fight on 24 hours notice.

I mean, Kevin Holland's preparing for Daniel Rodriguez, so he's preparing for a striker at 180, luckily. And so they decide, okay, let's just go up to 180. We'll take this fight at 180. I have no interest in that. I enjoy nachos, you know? Nachos are a delicious food product, but I do believe they might cause inflammation. I'm not saying I enjoy nachos every day.

I enjoy them enough with other things that are probably not good for me that I have no desire to cut weight like that. I hear you, bro. Yeah, I hear you. But if you want to be the fucking conqueror, if you want to be the man. I've met a few of the fighters. I was at a shooting event with Gaethje. Super nice guy.

He's the best. Justin's great. He's awesome. Salt of the earth. It's funny to me how many people who are walking around absolute fucking murderers. Murderers. That are the kindest people on planet earth. They have no desire to be violent whatsoever except for maybe 25

minutes i think that's why i think they get it all out i think they get it all out in the gym i really do i mean you know that from jujitsu jujitsu people are some of the nicest people ever some of them some of them but you know like you look you can't you can't get all great people correct it's too hard but then when you get into the black belt range, you get a very high percentage of great people, very high percentage. I've had it said to me by a few coaches that the black belt itself has the highest deviation in range and ability than any other belt leading up to it. Oh, for sure. If you think about like the guys that keep going way past that, we were talking earlier, we were making these analogies about scratch golfers. And I was like,

when you were saying that a scratch golfer is like a black belt and that, someone was saying it's like a purple belt. Yeah, you were saying, no, no, it's like a black belt.

And then I think what some people don't know is there's black belts and then there's black belts. You know, there's Marcelo Garcia's where you roll with them. You're like, what am I doing? Like, why am I even doing this?

And other black, I've heard other black belts describe experiences like that. It's the same thing. Like I roll with them you're like what am I doing like why am I even doing other black I've heard other black belts describe experiences like that it's the same thing like yeah I roll with that guy he made me feel like a white belt and that dude has more stripes on his belt than you can count yeah like how the fuck is that possible how is that possible I mean that was always the case with Hickson Hickson when he would do seminars he would teach seminars and then he would teach these black belts the finer points of techniques and things that they didn't even know like these guys are black belts yeah and he's showing them this is why and then you put your position in this and then they're like holy shit like now all of a sudden light bulbs go off and you realize you've you've been doing this one position wrong a very

simple position maybe it's a guard pass maybe it's a triangle whatever it is he would do this he would teach these black belts, blow them away, and then he would line them up and roll with them. To smash them. One after another. And these guys would wait. So they'd be warming up and stretching out, and they'd watch him go to town with these assassins. So you go, oh, I'm fifth.

Maybe I'll have a chance. Maybe he'll be tired. He never gets tired because he never puts in any effort. There's videos of Hickson. We'll pull up a video of Hickson rolling with a series of black belts. This is the Hickson samurai days. This is when he was the motherfucker. He used to wear his hair in like a samurai bun.

He was all in. Cultural appropriation. A little bit, but I think he can do it. He's Hickson Gracie. If anybody has the spirit of a samurai, it's that guy. So Henry is one of his first American black belts. He has stories of world champions coming in and just getting fuck started. Yeah.

Like putting their belt in the garbage can on the way out. Paul Ophelia said that. Paul Ophelia said that when he was a WEF or what was it? Which organization was he world champion of? He was a world champion of one of the organizations of the UFC acquired. I forget which one I'm having a brain fart. But anyway, Paulo Filho who was fought in pride. He was a legit black belt He submitted a lot of fucking people piece admitted Melvin manhoof in a crazy fight. You see that fight. I'll show you that fight I don't think I've ever heard that name.

World's Team, that's right, WEC. Right, okay. So go, what was I going to say? Go to, let's go to Paulo Filho first. So you see Paulo Filho. Do you have the Hickson one? No, I was still trying that. Okay, go Paulo Filho versus Melvin Manhoof.

Melvin Manhoof is probably, he's in my top ten favorite kickboxers of all time. He was a wild motherfucker, and he was so powerful and he was all gas no brakes and the most for sure the most destructive kickboxer that ever fought in pride right up there with uh merco crocop like that that level although merco was more successful but melvin what because Melvin was much smaller. But Melvin knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch, and he weighed 190 pounds at the time. Is this the same rule set as UFC? No, this is pride. So pride is amazing because you can kick on the ground,

you can stomp guys in the head, you can do anything. Because of the ring, I think that's a little bit more fair because you can move your head around a little bit more. And a cage, I had a conversation with Tate Fletcher about that, and he was saying, no, it's the cage. You can't stomp a guy with their head pressed against the cage. I'm like, yeah, you got a point. It does look like it would be harder to control them up against the ring.

Yeah, definitely. And I think it makes takedowns more difficult as well. It makes getting back up much more difficult. Getting back up, it's very hard to do in the center, right? You gotta escape. So he's getting tooled on by one of the most ferocious strikers to ever fight in MMA, who's built like a fucking superhero, right?

But Paulo Filho eventually catches him. But this is how good he was in his prime. Now, in his prime, during these times, he rolled with Hickson. And he said he felt like a white belt. He went and rolled with Hickson. And he said he felt like a white belt. He went and rolled with Hickson. He was like, oh, my God.

Everything they say is true. Everything they say about him is true. So he gets him down finally. Oh, he's getting that arm. Oh, yeah. No, Paulo Filho, he was a bad motherfucker, dude. Tight jujitsu. Look at the space.

Look at the space. See, no space? Look at that space. I mean, his jujitsu's tight, man. Elite, elite shit shit look at this god yeah i have a hard time watching this because i'm waiting for the elbow to detonate in the wrong direction i know i've seen a lot of those but that but look how tight that jujitsu was yeah tight and he's a young man in his prime he went and rolled with hickson he's like the stories are

all true the stories are all true which is hard, you know, like that there's this one guy that is just so far above. Yeah. He also had this like thing about him too, the spiritual aspect, the meditation and the yoga. It freaked people out. You know, like when they're actually rolling with him, it freaks them out. They're like, Jesus Christ, this is Hickson Gracie. I've spent a lot of time traveling around going to Henry's seminars so I get to pick his brain.

And I've been there when somebody's asked him, he's like, so how long when you were training with Hickson until you were able to tap him out? And after he got up off the floor laughing, he's like, I never scored a point on that guy. And I've rolled with Henry. It's the single most uncomfortable rolling experience I've ever had. There's no space.

If you give him an inch, he takes several. You don't get it back. The pressure, you feel like you're being pancaked under a hydraulic press, and so that's kind of like my upper end bar, and then to hear that somebody at that upper end level was unable to ever score a point against their coach Like what the fuck I was crazy Layers and layers and levels and levels, you know, it's funny you roll with John John Machado

He's talking to you the whole time Joe Hogan. Come on my friend. I'm cool with that It's like the least work. Please pretend like you're breathing hard. No, he's never breathing hard John. Jock never breathes hard Never never never see him breathing hard. He's always relaxed and calm no explosive movements But that's also why he's 50 and he could still roll with black belts. No problem at all. No problem He's not like a little meniscus injury in his knee like little tiny shit Yeah, so I heard a lot after the I didn't hear a lot. I read a lot after the little tiny shit. Yeah. So I heard a lot after the, I didn't hear a lot. I read a lot after the crone fight, people talking about jujitsu, like as if that was what happened in that fight, proof that jujitsu is no longer valid for the UFC. I was curious about your thoughts on that fight.

Well, then how does Paul Craig keep pulling it off? Paul Craig submitted Jamal Hill, who's the light heavyweight champion. He submitted a shit guys he's and he submits guys off his back his triangle is fucking evil his triangle is evil that motherfucker has a world-class triangle so what do you think the difference was in that fight then were you there for that yes okay charles jordain first of all is very good he's a very good fighter he's very good he's very good all around he's very good standing up he's very very technical. He doesn't do anything stupid. He doesn't take wild chances. He was very safe, especially when he wrapped up his guard around him.

He's like, no, no, no, no, no. But also Charles Jourdain is a legit black belt. So it's not like Krohn is going to the ground and he's in the guard of someone who doesn't know what's going on. Charles Jourdain knows exactly what's going on. And they're sweaty. And he's playing defense. And he gets to punch you in the face. It's a different world.

Now, if Charles Jourdain and Krohn were just rolling, I think Krohn was many steps above him in just straight jiu-jitsu. I mean, Krohn Gracie is a motherfucker, dude. He's outstanding. I mean, he's a legit world champion jiu-jitsu player. But his striking is not at the same level as those guys, and he doesn't have the kind of takedowns like an Aljamain Sterling or like some legit wrestler where there's always this threat of this power double

that you can't defend. I mean, Aljamain took down Henry Cejudo, you know? I mean, he only was Olympic champion. I know. No big deal. Fuck. So Aljamain is like, in my opinion, is like the best example of a jiu-jitsu player because he's got elite back control, world-class rear naked choke.

The rear naked choke he did on Sanhagen, out of control. I mean, just no, you're not getting out of this. You're going to sleep, 100%. His backpack and his rear naked choke is top of the food chain but he's also a great wrestler you gotta have that you gotta be able to control position you gotta be able to take guys down he can take guys down and if you can't you gotta be that motherfucker of a striker like charles olivera where everybody wants to take him down because he's fucking coming at you like lifting those knees up walking forward throwing bombs doesn't seem to go their way once they get him on the ground god damn you can't say

jiu-jitsu doesn't work because how's charles alvarez submitting everyone he submits every his insane submissions over elite guys i guess to be fair i don't think it was saying that jiu-jitsu didn't work i guess what i saw more often was people saying that the old school Gracie style, and again, I don't have my toes in the experience pool enough, and that's why I asked you, I'm curious in your thoughts, that that style of jiu-jitsu, pole guard, get it to the ground, was outdated. It depends on who you are, man, because he did it with Alex Caceres. He got a hold of Alex Caceres.

It just depends on who you are. It depends on the skill set of the opponent that he's encountering, and it depends on who he's training with. I don't know what Krohn did for that training camp. He lives in Montana now. Yeah, I know. I don't know if he did his camp there, though. I don't know either.

I'm not aware. I was excited to see him back because I'm always excited to see a real specialist. I'm always excited to see a pejeda, a world-class kickboxer, someone like Krohn, a world-class submission artist. It's always exciting when you see wrestlers like Bo Nickel, a world-class wrestler. It's always exciting to see a specialist. But I don't know what he did.

It's just like the performance wasn't his best. Jordane's good, man. You can't take it away from him. He fought the perfect fight. And I think Krohn was very frustrated. He just couldn't get him down, so he's just pulling guard. And he's pulling guard. He wasn't able to do anything with it.

He didn't even really threaten. There's not like one moment where it looked like he almost had something, which is crazy when you think about how good he is. Yeah. I think you're right. I think if it was just a straight jiu-jitsu rule set, probably would have done it. He's on another level. He's on another level.

But that's also, Jordan is not training straight jiu-jitsu all the time like that. He's doing everything. That's why his knees are so good. That guy's a nasty fighter, man. He's very good. When I saw that fight, I was like, ooh, this is a, it's a very good fight for Jordan, I thought, because it's a good high-profileordane i thought because it's a good like high profile opponent to show people how good he is there's a few of those guys that are out there that are kind of

under the radar that are so fucking good but it's just because there's so much talent now where those guys would be like everybody be talking about them a few years ago now it's like there's so many of them there's so many Every fucking division has some new guy I've never heard of who comes over with an 11-0 record from Brazil, and he's a motherfucker. Or Dagestan. Oh, my God, those guys. They're making them in factories over there.

It's crazy. They're all killers. Yeah. They're all killers. There's just so many good guys out there in the world now. How well can you hear those shots, Cage Side? Depends on where you're at. At the apex, you hear them real good.

Yeah, it seems quiet. You can hear the floor flexing, even on TV. The apex is the best. I hear people saying, like, stop having fights at the apex. The UFC is lazy for having fights at the apex. I'm like, what are you talking about? Go there once and see a fight there. It's amazing.

Some of the most fun experiences that I've had of calling fights and being there i've only been to the apex twice just to watch fights um and actually once well yeah once at the apex and once in austin so in austin it was for a crowd where i was just in the audience and at the apex i was just sitting there watching it was amazing you hear the breathing you hear the breathing. You hear the shit talking. You hear the corner men. You hear everything. And since I was at the side, I could listen in one ear. I could actually hear the commentary too.

And you're just like everything. You hear every fucking strike. You hear impacts. The COVID fights, it was crazy because you could hear the corners too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the COVID fights were crazy. But now there's small crowds in some of these.

So like the Apex might have like a couple hundred people. I just think you get the best seat in the house. It's got to be happening occasionally where somebody just gets taken down directly in front of you and gets the fuck beat out of them. Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. I hear them all the time. Yeah, for sure. How much shit talking is

occurring? I mean, there's been some... Depends on who's fighting. You know, it depends on who's fighting. There was a couple of Khabib, like, give up now. Like, just stop. I'm like, fuck. Yeah, that was Khabib against Michael Johnson. He's like, you know I should be fighting for the title. Like, save it for later, dude. Let's talk about this later. That was a scary one, because he got

him in a Kimura. I'm like, please tap. Please tap. Please tap. Yeah, I can't watch that stuff. I'm like, please tap, please tap, please tap. Yeah, I can't watch that stuff. Because when guys don't tap to Kimuras, they get that spiral fracture of their upper arm, and it's horrific. How about the heel hook where you just hear all the CLs blow out? Someone just blew their knee out the last UFC. I can't watch it. Yeah, some girl got heel hooked, and her knee just went, just exploded. Yeah.

It's rough, man. It's a rough sport. It's like you see those folks walking around backstage, especially ones who have had like 30 fights, and a lot of them are like little limps and kinks in their steps. Everyone's sore. It would be fair to say that I'm into some atypical hobbies, but those fuckers can have that stuff. No desire whatsoever. It's a rough way to make a living.

Agreed. And then there's guys like Andre Orlovsky, still out. They fought last weekend. It's crazy. That guy's been, he was the UFC champion like the early 2000s. It's nuts. It's 2023 and that guy's still throwing down with top flight heavyweights. I hope he can enjoy the tail end of his life.

I mean, the jury's kind of out on that level of concussive injury. Yeah. I hope that he takes some time for himself. That was him when he was the champ. Yeah, he looks totally sane. Yeah, he looked a lot better back then physically, but he's still pretty fucking solid. I dig the fang mouth guard.

That's pretty awesome. He's a legend. The guy's been around forever. The guy's been around forever. So was it 2005 that he was a champ? Bad motherfucker in his day. You know, it's just the fucking game catches up to you. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

No one survives forever. Even in boxing. Like Bernard Hopkins was the one who stayed in the longest. He was fighting world-class championship-caliber fighters at 50 years old and winning. Was he still alive? He's still alive. He fought Joe Smith Jr. in his last fight,

and he got obliterated. He got knocked out. Is he all there upstairs? I don't know, but that was a bad... I think he seems all there. He was a very good defensive fighter. When you talk to him, it's not like... There's some fighters like Meldrick Taylor is the saddest.

When you hear him talk, it's very bad. Terry Norris, he's got it bad. But Bernard doesn't seem to have any issues. But he was a really good defensive fighter. Very rarely hurt in his fights. The Joe Smith fight, he got clipped and he went through the ropes and fell off the ring onto the ground. It looked like he hit his head, too. It was real bad. Did he get back in? No, that was it. That was the ring onto the ground. It looked like he hit his head, too. It was real bad.

Did he get back in? No, that was it. That was the end of the fight. I think he landed on his head. It was real bad, the way he got hit. And he sagged through the ropes, and he got hit, and he fell. And they didn't have nothing to catch fighters if they fell through the ropes. How do you not have, like, hey, guys, what if this happens?

I mean, they had concrete there. Yeah. Oh, it definitely keeps them from dropping into hell. For the short term. For the short term, exactly. Yeah. It's a rough way to learn reality when you're compromised for the rest of your life, for decisions you made when you were a young, wild man. Yeah.

That's why I ask about the long term. It's, I hope they have a chance. I mean, again, I have nothing but the most respect for not just the dedication, the work, the desire. And I do believe that people should be able to pursue whatever their passion is to whatever degree they want to. I just hope that at the end of that journey, there's enough left upstairs they can enjoy the work they put in.

We should just clarify before we go any further that this person saying this is a fucking psychopath that had the world record for the flying squirrel suit launch. I've said this to you every time. That shit was not difficult. That's what I'm saying. See, that's how crazy you are. You think that jumping out of a fucking airplane with a helmet on, flying through the air. This was January, though. This was fucking awesome.

These are the parachute jumps you guys did. Yeah. Yeah, we did the... That's very cool. Look how cool that is. Look how cool that is. You guys are over the Great Pyramids. There's another one, Jamie.

It's directly... The three pyramids are lined up in the negative space it might be it might be on my instagram did you guys get a tour of the pyramids while you were there we were on such a timeline it was so we did so when i was here with mike sorelli we were talking about what we were going to do we finally went down there and started off in uh antarctica in january which was fucking cool it's not what I thought it would be. What is it like? It's like there's nothing there. No, there's one of the four of us.

That's amazing. There's four of us in free fall with all of the pyramids. Keep going. God damn it, where is it? I know I posted it. Keep going. Right there, bottom. Oh, wow.

Like, holy shit. That's amazing. What a great photo. Well, looking down as we're, you know. Where did you land? Did you land on the pyramids? No. Okay.

If I am being totally honest, I did consider it because the top of it is very flat for a small period. And the landing, if you, the bottom portion of the screen, there's a golf course an uh abandoned golf course so we basically opened our parachutes you could fly right along the line of the pyramids and the pyramid on the bottom left you can see it has a little bit of a flat square on top of it there's a golf course right there i was probably 30 yards from the top of that thing and i did have a conversation with myself of i could land on this the journey will be over for me but it'll definitely make national news so that'll be good for the rest of the people and i just went right past it but looking down in freefall over the top of the pyramids of all i've been jumping now for 24 years that is the single

coolest jump i've ever done i thought it was going to be antarctica which was a very unique experience but i can't even like looking down looking down, like, holy shit. Yeah. We're in Egypt over the top of the Pyramid of Giza. How wild is it that there was a golf course right next to the pyramids? There's Marriott right there, too. Let's just say in the tourist photos and the promotional materials for the pyramid, they really focus on a particular angle.

If they did a 180 and you could see the kfc and mcdonald's like it might it might really kfc and mcdonald's uh i'm pretty sure that there is i know for a fact there's a marriott jamie wants to play that course a hundred percent they went viral a couple weeks ago but they were finding old pictures when it was still an operatable yeah it was was abandoned. Why did they abandon it? Probably there were not that many people there. Why doesn't this live PGA tour thing, why don't they resurrect it? Because it's probably not

hard enough. Call it Party at the Pyramids. Not cheap, bro. We're talking about the Saudis. They got all the cash in the world. Let's go. Let's go. They're not playing at shit places. Well, they're going to fix it. They'll fix it. It's not very big. All that shit, Joe, to the right of the golf course, that's like the Marriott over there. Most of the images are cropped a certain way.

There's a very commercial aspect to it, as I'm sure there is. It's kind of close to where it looks like now. Yeah. Now, did you get a chance to go to Egypt? Were you in Cairo for any length of time? Or was it like on the ground back out? So our goal was to do all seven continents in under seven days and we were successful. We did it in

about six and a half. So it was go the whole time. So we started in Antarctica. We spent like a week there. So tell me what was weird about Antarctica? There's nothing there. So if you want to go see the emperor penguins or all of the

wildlife that is available, you can't go to the interior of antarctica which is where we were we were at uh wow geez so i thought that this was going to be the coolest jump that i'd ever done and what i will say it is it's the probably the coolest location just what what went into being involved in that because we were there for a week we did our first jump uh the day after we there. And then we did the final jump the day that we left. But it's a camp. The company is called Ailey, Antarctic Logistics and Exploration. One of the partners is Mike McDowell. And awesome Australian family. His son is out there. Tim's out there working with him. And it's a full-on camp.

Like Alex Honnold had passed through shortly after we had left there. He was climbing Mount Vincent, which is the largest mountain in Antarctica. Crazy group. Fully set up. Like library, indoor packing area for us to do our parachutes, bathrooms, showers, really nice tents. Will Smith was there earlier. Like people were passing. Yeah.

showers, really nice tents. Will Smith was there earlier. Like, people were passing. Yeah. If you're going to film, from my understanding, if you're going to do, like, a high-end film project, you basically work your way through that. It's fully established.

There's a blue ice runway. We flew in on a 757. What's a blue ice runway? A runway made of, like, blue ice. The runway you land on is straight fucking ice. There is lights on it. It's crazy. And it's a chartered 757 through Icelandic air. Yeah.

Holy shit. You just land on ice? Straight up blue ice. It wasn't that like a deep, dark blue. Yeah, that's the Russian. So if you look in front of that aircraft, that's what it is. What the fuck? So that's the Russian plane, which they – that actually landed while we were there.

I got a killer GoPro shot. That's the camp, third row down, the little – yep, that's it right there. And that's basically what it looked like when we were there too. Now, is that camp set up for scientists? No. So at the South Pole, there is a bunch of, from my understanding, like pure science going on there, funded by governments. This is straight up kind of tourism i mean you can go there and just hang out in camp you can go see uh glaciers yeah i mean

this is this is it one of the other they have remote camps as well they have like a crazy um like very high-end camp like and yeah like there's tents like that those are the tents we were standing right there that when you're that's over there. Those are the kind of tents that we were staying in. Whoa. But it's on an ice field. There's no insects. There's no wildlife. The sun doesn't go down.

And how much food do they have up there? As much as you could possibly want. They had a full dining facility. The setup there is unbelievable. You can go in and get food anytime you want to. They'll have a presentation every night. High-end like National Geographic photographer. All sorts of crazy motherfuckers pass through there.

Like I'm just going to walk to the South Pole and they'll come back in subsequent years and give talks. And, you know, where they went and how they avoided these crevasses, which I had no fear of until I went to Antarctica and got the brief on crevasses, which is just, you're dead. They'll never find you again. And the camp is, of course, surrounded by them. How deep are they? Hundreds of feet deep, depending on the ones that you get into.

It's just from the shifting and moving ice. And sometimes people just fall into them? I don't think, oh yeah, this is a guy who fell into one skiing. This is making its rounds on the old internet oh jesus christ oh yeah I mean so you can't even see the ball he stops himself this guy self-arrests oh fuck but can you I mean like who knows how much farther down that how did he get back out he might have self-rescued or he could have self-rescued is a terrible fucking

phrase yeah but it's it's also actually pretty important to know how to do. At all times, whatever it is that you are actually doing in your life. Do those guys ski like that with an ice pick? I don't think they ski with an ice pick, but I think, and I don't do this type of skiing, but, you know, the bottoms of their poles are sharp as well. So depending on what they need to climb out of, they might have crampons in their backpack. I'm assuming that the person had like a full backcountry kit with them. what do you do do you leave the skis behind do you drop them and try to save your ass or do you try to come up with the skis because if you don't have the skis

you're kind of fucked well if they're smart they're gonna have a gps communicator of some kind like in the modern era if you go out into the backcountry of any kind and don't have the ability to communicate you're a fucking idiot like the barriers to entry is a couple hundred bucks and you can you can talk to people. Maybe only text, but you can hit a button and legitimately people will come get you. I would say it depends on the situation that you're in. I think priority should be self-rescue.

If you can... Yeah, he was able to get out using ice cleats and a piece of rope from his friends. So he was smartly not out there by himself, so they probably saw him go in. Jesus. He could have been done. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. Or if he hadn't self-arrested and gone down hundreds of more feet. Broken his legs. Oh, yeah. Broken his neck, died like that. Instead, he lives another day. Hard pass.

I'm reasonable, Joe. Gets right back on the skis. So there's none of that going on in Antarctica, but we got this brief on, hey, we're getting ready to jump. And just so you know, like, here's the landing area and everywhere else is crevasses. I'm like, oh, okay. So we should probably land in the landing area.

But it was crazy. They had aircraft. And how do they know that a new crevasse isn't going to open up on the ice runway? On the blue ice runway when they land the aircraft? I'm assuming they do surveys. Oh, look, as they flattened it out. Yep. Yeah. That's legitimately it. Every time it says. Yeah. Every 22 hours? Oh, it involves 22 hours of grooming. Also, they're just constantly doing it. Yeah. And they shut the camp down every year. So I just had

lunch, or I'm sorry, a dinner with Mike and his son Tim in Salt Lake a few weeks ago. And then they're getting ready to head back out there, I think, in January. And they'll stay out for the season. That's probably the aircraft that we jumped out of. So why do they shut it down every year? The winter is just super gnarly and it's the dark season. So instead of the sun never really coming or never really going down, the sun never really goes up. So it's shitty to have people out there. So that's White Desert.

That's a different place. But I believe that's on the other side a different place but that's uh i believe that's um on the other side of antarctica but similar concept the people that are there all the time they must be weird i think it's a special kind of person that wants to make that their occupation yeah for sure you think but the jump there was wild i mean that i was wearing credible i had a duffel bag i'm not joking, the size of this fucking table. Because I had never jumped in Antarctica, so I'm Googling, like, what's your normal temperature? I had done that wingsuit jump up in Davis, where it was very cold at exit, but 100 degrees on the ground, because it was Northern California in the summertime.

So I took this duffel bag. And on our first jump, I put on just about everything in that bag. And I think I might've been the closest to a heat casualty that I've ever been in my fucking life. Really? Because we were in a twin auto, which is a normal skydiving plane. And they had the door open, uh, the whole time they actually took the door off, but we were kind of up forward. There wasn't a lot of wind coming in. I'm talking like electronic gloves, several layers, profusely sweating underneath. Oh, no. All the shit that I'm wearing.

Oh, that's horrible. It was horrible because for those of you out there who don't know what happens to liquid when you jump out into a freezing environment. So you're sweating your ass off, jumping out into, it was probably in the negative 30s or 40s. Free fall, parachute, open up, and you're just like ripping off clothing in Antarctica. It was hilarious. freefall parachute open up and you're just like ripping off clothing in Antarctica. It was hilarious. We all overdressed for the first one. And I think most people were wearing one or two layers for the second jump that we did. So when you got to the bottom, how cold is it? Uh, 10 degrees. Oh, okay. But sunny. Like I was wearing a pair of essentially snowboarding pants

and a long sleeve t-shirt, because i needed the oh yeah this is actually a video that i made of the camp so for under layers are you using synthetics are you using merino like what do you because it's very dangerous when you sweat like that and then get cold right and that's the thing like underneath that jacket is a t-shirt and i'm wearing the long sleeve because i didn't want exposure to the sun and that's what like wrapping your face too like the sun down there will absolutely nuke you really Really? Yeah. It's just, it's so, and this is probably like, I don't know, this could be fucking three in the morning. The sun just never goes down. Why is it so powerful up there? Uh, I think it might be, I mean, I'm not an expert on this by any stretch, but I think

it might be the angle that it's coming in at, but yeah, it's a, by the end it was wild. And so we went from there to Chile, Chile to Miami, Miami to Barcelona, Barcelona to Cairo, Cairo to UAE, UAE to Australia. Jump in each of the locations, six and a half days. Wow. It's pretty gnarly, man. That's insane. Persistent, extreme, ultraviolet irradiance in Antarctica despite the ozone recovery onset. Oh, so it's an ozone issue. Well, I believe that's what it was, but they've found that it's

coming back, but it might just be so bright and so much snow and ice to reflect off of, you're getting bombarded with mirrors around you. It says, attributable to the Montreal Protocol, the most successful environmental treaty ever, human-made ozone-depleting substances are declining, and the stratospheric

Antarctica ozone layer is recovering. However, the Antarctic ozone hole continues to occur every year. With the severity of ozone loss strongly modulated by meteorological conditions in late November and in early December 2020, we measured at the northern tip of Antarctic Peninsula the highest ultraviolet irradiance is recorded in Antarctic continent in more than two decades. Yeah. violent irradiance is recorded in antarctic content continent in more than two decades yeah they recommended all appendages covered gloves at all times and sunscreen on your face wow yeah they when i went to australia the first time they used to have these ads everywhere about skin cancer ads are everywhere about skin cancer because i think australia had an issue with the hole in the ozone layer i think it was the same hole that just extended out. That's all from

hairspray from chicks in the 80s. That's like poison. That's a lot of hairspray. I think it might have been more things. No, no, no. It's hairspray. That's what I heard. Oh my god, look at the size of that hole. Holy shit, that's the hole in the ozone? I don't know when this picture was taken, but that's directly over Antarctica.

Bro, we could have cooked the whole Earth with hairspray. Look at it. It's still pretty big. That's a big-ass hole as recently as 2019. Yeah. It doesn't look like it's getting any better. Just moving around a little bit. You've seen the old Star Wars, right? Yeah. Like when he's on Hoth?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's Antarctica. Oh, right. The desert. Yeah. It just was white as far as I could see, but literally not a single insect. Of course. No wildlife. So we checked out some glaciers, did some hikes, and just kind of waited for the weather for the jumping. And they never had any wildlife up there ever?

There is plenty of wildlife, but from my understanding, it is at the extreme outer edges. Where the water is. Correct. Yeah, that makes sense. And the cruise ships will kind of come through there for all, because I think there's millions upon millions of penguins, but there's no food source in the interior. Oh, right.

So they have to dive in the water and get fish. Have you ever seen leopard seals? Online, yes. They're my favorite animal. Why? Like of all animals? No. They're my favorite animal in the water. I'm just talking crazy. They're one of my favorite animals. I'll Because they're fucking awesome. Like of all animals? No. They're my favorite animal in the world. I'm just talking crazy. They're one of my favorite animals.

I'll say that. That's a fact. It's like, you're my best friend. Really? Like that motherfucker. Oh, fuck. They're just seal killers. Or penguin killers, rather.

They don't even look like a real thing. They look like a character in a movie. That looks like a dinosaur's mouth. I know. It's a giant wolf mouth attached to a beautiful seal. And so they're a seal that's evolved to be extremely predatory. They killed a researcher a few years back. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

All people need to know about the ocean, and all they need to remember is that everything in it is there to fuck you up. It's monster soup. Yeah. Everything in there, like the jungle, is designed to either sting you, bite you, poison you, or in combination. Yes. And they are eating each other at a staggering rate because that's all they do. And if you go into their world, they're going to fuck you up. Did you see the video of the kayaker in Hawaii that got attacked by the leopard shark?

That's why I don't kayak. Odds of not having that happen when you don't kayak? Fucking zero. Fucking zero. Fucking zero. Yeah, the tiger shark one freaks me out, man, because that thing was just, that wasn't a mistake.

There's people, I used to live in San Diego, there are people who would stand up paddleboard out to Catalina and have those experiences. Like, no. Fuck you and your experience.

No. There's so many sharks out there. Yeah, if you do that and you get eaten, I'm not going to say, like, you should have known better. Oh. Oh, There's so many sharks out there. Yeah, if you do that and you get eaten, I'm not going to say like you should have known better. Oh. Oh, that's the people

that got swallowed by the whale. Yeah, the whale swallowed the kayak and they were inside it for a couple seconds. And then the whale's like, what is this? That's not fish. Oh my God.

I have not ever seen that video. I think he's probably annoyed with that. Stand-up paddleboarder's like, I probably should, I need to get down a little, get my base a little bit better. Can you imagine? No. No, I cannot imagine. probably annoyed with us. Stand-up paddleboarder's like, I probably should, I need to get down a little, get my base a little bit better. So imagine. No.

No, I cannot imagine. Imagine seeing that happen. You're out there like a moron on a paddleboard. He's like, oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. I'm getting ready to be eaten now. They're turning on us. They're tired of us whaling.

Imagine if whales just all of a sudden start fucking people up. Have you not seen the stories coming out of the killer whales that are teaching each other? How to sink boats. Yeah, because they think one had a traumatic experience with boats when it was younger, so it's passing on this beta of, hey, maybe you should fuck these boats up. Yeah. Don't go in the water. Small insight from a maybe orca expert, Shadow Chosenko.

A maybe orca expert. He's a very big orca fan, I know, but he said they're teaching. They're using the boats to teach. I'm trying to find the note where he was saying. Yeah, teach how to sink boats. No, to teach how to hunt is what he was saying. They're using the boats to teach them how to hunt. They just happen to be in the area. Oh, wow. I can't find the tweet. He might have responded to someone.

Well, that kind of makes sense. Interesting insight, if that's what's happening. They're probably also annoyed with people. Why is it on Chad Ochocinco? He's the one who talks about orcas all the time. No shit. That would be an interesting insight if that's what's happening. They're probably also annoyed with people. Let's see if he said somewhere. Why is it on Chad Ochocinco's? He's the one who, he talks about Orcas all the time. No shit. On top of eating McDonald's a lot. Are you talking about the football player?

Yeah. Or ex-football player? Yes. I mean, this might have been a couple of days ago. He tweets a lot, too. He's a funny character. He said he saved all his money flying Spirit Airlines and wearing fake jewelry. Why not?

Why not? The first two years he played, he lived in the stadium. Good for him, man. Very close friend of mine. Played pro ball for 10 years. He actually lives near Austin. His name's John Wellborn. And some of the stories he has about watching people come into ungodly wealth.

Oh, yeah. And then what they chose to do with that ungodly wealth that, of course, terminated into not having anything are shocking. Well, it's not that shocking to me. It's like you're poor your whole life. You're waiting for the moment where you become a baller. You become a baller. You're also young and impulsive. You're wild.

You're playing football professionally. You're probably getting dinged up all the time. So you're always in this sort of semi-compromised state of chaos. probably getting dinged up all the time. So you're always in this sort of semi-compromised state of chaos. And then on top of that, all the teammates you have are driving Rolls Royces and wearing diamonds. And I want a fucking diamond. I want a Rolls Royce. Some of them are.

And then there's people like John who would go to the Goodwill and get like a jacket with the felt pads and rent a Ford Taurus for a year from Hertz. Good for him. It's like, where are the role models for those other people? It's like, I get it i don't come from that world and i and i don't understand what that would be like but i almost feel like the nfl or any organization like that should be responsible to provide at least guidance and knowledge when it comes to finances you're talking to the wrong guy because i would be balling i'll

tell you if i was in the nfl i would be right there with them. I'd be balling out of control. I think you'd be smart enough. I'd be driving a Ferrari. I'm not that smart. You'd have a baller account, and then you'd have like, this is for a rainy day. You're talking to the wrong dude. Just full send? I don't have any safety nets.

I'm not a safety net type of guy. Ever? No, I'm a keep going guy. What'd you do when you first started becoming famous and started coming into money? What's like the first craziest purchase you had? Cars. I always wanted cars. It was always cars.

Cars are my favorite by far. That's what John- Muscle cars. He talks about the day he became a millionaire when they slide a check across the table. He immediately left and bought a Porsche. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I got a Supra Turbo.

That was my first cool car. Toyota Supra Turbo in like 1995 or 6, I think it was. It was awesome. That was my first cool car Toyota super turbo like 1995 or six I think it was it was awesome. I was happy Would you zero it out like you'd come into money and be like yeah, let's go. Yeah, like just put it back Yeah, put it back to work My manager thought I had a gambling problem when I first started put it to work by investing in cars fun Okay, that's a difference. Yeah, put it it's fun coupons. Okay, I Investing in cars? By having fun.

Okay. That's a different story. Yeah. It's fun coupons. Okay. I agree with you on that, too. Especially, you know, I was in my 20s and didn't have any real responsibilities other than feeding myself. I had healthcare.

So, like, let's go. Your mindset still cannot be that way, though. No. Right now, it's not? No. No. Well, now I have responsibilities and I have children and I have employees. I have a lot of stuff going on.

Yeah. I have a lot of people that I have to support and take care of. And so, and it's not, it's cool. I like it. It's good. But I kind of still operate the same way. I just keep the foot to the gas. Let's go.

I want to have fun. What's your theory on passing on wealth to your family? I think a little bit's good. A lot is bad for them. I think it fucks them up. Succession. You ever watch Succession? No. I just finished it. Did you finish it, Jamie? It bit's good. A lot is bad for them. I think it fucks them up. Succession. You ever watch Succession? No.

I just finished it. Did you finish it, Jamie? It's fucking good. Goddamn, that's a good show. And the way they ended it, whoever wrote that, bravo to you. Is it about what we're talking about?

It's about rich people and their family takes over. The dad is the matriarch. He's essentially like, he owns this Fox News type organization. And the kids are all fucked up because they grew up billionaires. They grew up, you know, insanely wealthy. And they just, it's just nuts. It's a very interesting show, very difficult subject to tackle the way they did and make people relatable. But they really did it. It's great. It's just like, they're all fucking crazy. It's just,

if you look, i played the lottery a couple times when i was young thank god i didn't win it thank god i didn't win it thank god like people don't know like you shouldn't get a lot of money when you're young like you and you shouldn't get money easy it's like you want to be working work is work and reward you want reward for your work but i'm a person that when i get reward for my work, I like to be generous, like to spread it around, but I also like to have fun. And I feel like you're not around for very long. You don't, life does not, I'm 55 years old. If I'm halfway there, it's amazing.

That means I did something incredible. I bypassed, I passed rather the life expectancies of the vast majority of the human race. So what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to, what am I supposed to not do the things that I really love to do and I enjoy? Like what? It's like, why would I, it's like, why would I hang out with someone I don't like? There's so many people I like. There's like so many great people that I could just have conversations with and chill. Why would I hang out with someone I don't like? I don't want any of that in my life.

I want fun. I like fun. It's an interesting balance. I mean, essentially people are trading their time for money. Yeah. Time that they could have been doing other things that they wanted to do. But I remember I'm, I think,

yeah, I turned 46 this year. So you got 10 more laps around the sun on me. Look at you, sweetie. You look like you're 30 years old. That's, imagine all the stress that you've been through and you look so good. You got some good

genes, son. I think it's because I don't pay attention sometimes. I think that helps. I think that helps. I really do think that helps. Yeah. I try to not take too many things too seriously. Don't get me wrong. I can get stressed out like a motherfucker. Sure. But I remember being younger and I thought that getting money, I you have, like I need X amount. I don't remember what that dollar amount was when I was young. It's probably a thousand bucks, but it was about getting money. Now I look at it and my dad's getting ready to move to Montana. He just sold his house in Santa Cruz. They're starting that process. And we've had conversations about money and, you know, what he made on the house, what he's going to do with it.

And my theory in talking with him is if I were you, I would try to arrive at the end. Broke. That last check for five bucks. Yeah. Bounce that fucker. Yeah. Like, why not? I mean, what at some point in your life, if you can't flip the perspective and go, hey, I have spent so much of my time working for other people,

likely, because very few people work for themselves comparatively. What's the point of this treasure chest if you can't go and at least do something that you want to do? Yeah, for sure. That's what you should be doing with your life if you can. And you really should avoid working for other people if you can. Easier said than done. Very, yeah. Especially when you're young. Yeah. Very hard. Very hard. But it's also people, it's all the steps you take, right? Because most of the steps that people take, especially when

you get a conventional education and then you get some sort of a master's degree or a doctorate, like, man, that's a lot of invested time. And there's opportunities that are available for people with those degrees. And it's a general course that you've been on. You're on a path. And if you're on that path, it's very difficult to work by yourself, work for yourself. Well, you're also leaving out the immense amount of debt that most people accrue at a really young age in their life associated with those paths. Yeah, and you can't get out of it. It's the most evil shit ever.

A couple of friends who are lawyers. Actually, to this day, I'm yet to speak to a lawyer. And I'm sure that they're out there. But resoundingly, the same thing they say to me is if I didn't owe so much money in student loans, I would do something different. Yeah. They don't enjoy it. Yeah. There's a lot of people like that.

Yeah. A lot of people like that that live their life in that way. And it sucks. And it's, you know, but yeah, it's very difficult to not live like that but it is possible and but it's about the path that you take if you continue on the path of working for other people and wish that you work for yourself nothing is going to change but you can escape yeah can be done people have done it many people have left the corporate world and started businesses and started doing things for themselves they love doing whether it's a hobby whether it's knife making whatever the fuck it is yeah a lot of people have done it it's just

not easy to do but it is in this day and age easier than any other time because the internet because you could post cool shit on the internet and then people share it and then people contact you and the next thing you know you got a thriving business it does happen now more than it's ever happened before. There's a path to do it if you create things. But, you know, it's certainly easier said than done. And again, the path that most kids get put on from primary school, from high school, from college, most of that path is in entering the workforce, entering business, entering some occupation, then generally you're working for someone when you do that. I think the, I did not have zero seconds of education past high school for clarity and barely met the bar to graduate high school. So everybody can take what I think about education with a fucking grain of salt. But the predatory lending around education to me,

I think should be completely revamped and illegal. I just, I think it saddles young people with a debt where it limits their options so deeply that it makes working for yourself, unless you're just doing it in the microscopic amount of off time that you have, almost impossible. Yeah. Yeah. It's very hard. And the sick part is that they're taking these young kids and they're doing it in a way that they, not only do they have these loans, but if they go bankrupt, they still owe those loans. It's the one thing that, no matter what, you owe. And why?

Why is that? How come you can lose a house and lose a car and lose your money, but you can't go bankrupt and write that off? It doesn't make any sense. You can write off credit card debt. You can write off business sense. You could write off credit card debt. You could write off business losses. You could write off all these things.

You go bankrupt. And there's a penalty for bankruptcy. Your credit sucks. You're fucked. Very difficult to get a loan. Very difficult for people to trust you again. You have to earn that trust back. And even then, it's always going to be a stain on your record.

But you can do it. People have done it. And a lot of people have done it. A lot of people have filed for bankruptcy. Big, famous people have filed for bankruptcy. Like presidents. Yeah, those guys. Chapter 11s. They've gotten out of debt. But you can if you own student loans. If you owe, rather, student loans, you're fucked. I wonder why that is. I'm sure there's a justification for it. Because they love you and they want you to be responsible. I'm sure there's a justification for it.

Because they love you and they want you to be responsible. Probably not the terms I would use. That's what it is. It's love. It's all love. The United States just wants better people all around. And they know that if they pay for everything, you're just going to be a fuck off and smoke meth. So you were saying that.

But before we started, you were talking about how you think that society is as close as it's ever gone to just circling the bowl yeah we were talking outside i think i think we're as close as i've ever experienced to a complete societal collapse and i don't think that people recognize how close we are because if the whole country goes the way san francisco and portland have gone we're fucked like if it's just madness all through. My friend John Joseph sent me a message that he was in New York City. And he said the amount of migrants that have made their way to New York City, it's fucking insane. He said they're everywhere. And he said the mayor is asking people to house them in their homes. Like open your door and just welcome them in? Yes.

Well, why don't you house them in your homes? Like, this is how ridiculous the left is. This is their homes. Like open your door and just welcome them in? Yes. Well, why don't you house them in your homes? Like this is how ridiculous the left is. This is their solutions for these problems that they've created. First of all, they made New York City a sanctuary state, right? Or a sanctuary city. But then I think they rescinded that. I think the numbers were overwhelming. See if that's true.

But let's just Google the first one. Sorry, Jamie. Eric Adams asked people to take migrants into their own homes. New York City Mayor Adams unveils plans to house migrants in houses of worship. Private homes are next step, he says. New York City will now begin housing migrants and houses of worship. Its latest attempt to manage the more than 72,000 people who flowed into the city since last spring. 72,000 migrants. And most of them illegal, right?

Standing in City Hall Rotunda flanked by dozens of religious leaders, Mayor Adams announced the creation of his faith-based shelter programs monday and hinted that his next step would be enlisting private residences to house migrants private residents to house migrants in their homes what in the fuck this is an opportunity built on crisis he says like what okay we don't need to read that i fucking hate but look at that this is an opportunity built on crisis. No, no, no. This is a disaster. The faith-based community has never been off our radar.

They've always been part of everything we do here, especially when we need them to house people. Holy cow. Yeah, it's nuts. They're fucked. So John Joseph said, he sent me this text message. He's like, dude, it's getting wild down there. It's really crazy. There's so many of them. He said they're fucked so john joseph said he sent me this this uh text message he's like dude it's getting wild down there it's really crazy there's so many of them he said they're everywhere because it's nuts it's like they've essentially let anybody in like there's zero background check

like what what how much do they know about people i know they've busted a few terrorists trying to make their way through but But how many do they miss? How good is that net? I don't think it's as good as most people would think. I don't want to give anybody ideas, but I don't think it would be that difficult if you were truly motivated and put a little bit of thought into it to figure out a way to bypass border security.

Yeah. But then there's also the, like, you know, San Bernardino is a good example people can get radicalized just through information you don't even have to actually cross a border to have access to the information or ideology you become radicalized by it you know so there's the issue not only of people wanting to do harm to the country coming in but it's you know that's the con i guess it would, of unfettered information to whatever type of information you may be searching for. What do you mean by that?

There was a shooting, a husband and wife pair in San Bernardino. They went into – I had one of the responding officers on the podcast who actually ended up killing, I think it was the husband or the wife. But they went into a – I think it was a holiday-related party and just started going to town. They had never left the country. They were radicalized on the internet. Jesus. Radicalized for what? In this particular instance, I believe it was radical Islam. So they were American citizens who were radicalized,

and who did they attack? Other American citizens. And what was the location? Where were they? It was a San... Are you able to find it, Jamie? Was it like a town? Was it...

Did they go to a mall? No, it wasn't a mall. It was a... The word is escaping me right now. But like a city center where there was an event. Attempted shooting and attempted bombing occurred at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. Yep. Oh, this was a while ago.

Yeah, this was years ago, 2015. Okay, I remember this. There was a dispute where Apple did not want to give them access to the phones. Correct. Yes, that's right. I remember that. I don't think Apple could give them access to the phones. I think they asked Apple to help crack the phone, and Apple said no.

Why didn't they just ask the CIA? They're like, we've got that. I don't know if they want to admit it. They're like, we look at all the text messages. We've got all the memes. Look at these funny ones they send. I don't want to let anybody down, but I don't know if the CIA is as capable as some people think that it is. Let's just say Jason Bourne is not running around out there.

Well, I don't think Jason Bourne is running around out there, but I do think they have surveillance abilities far beyond what we can imagine. 100%. Yeah. And I think for anything that they may bounce up constitutionally, whether they choose to respect the Constitution or not. If they choose to respect the Constitution, all they do is they outsource it to one of the allies who can then inwardly look and it achieves the same thing. Trevor Burrus Yeah. Someone contacted, someone from the intelligence community contacted Tucker Carlson, said that they knew that he was having Putin on because they had read

his signal messages. And he's like, you read my signal message? I didn't even know you could do that. Oh, yeah. Right. They're encrypted. And everybody's like, oh, it's encrypted. Just tell the murder story here.

Yeah, totally. Hey, where's the body? Where's Jimmy Hoffa? Where'd you, what port are the coke coming in? Anything that occurs on an electronic device that transmits, from my understanding, and this is looking back into how we used to find people in the early 2000s, whether or not somebody in real time is actually accessing that, I don't think because of the volume, but it is collected somewhere and can, in the rearview mirror, be looked at. Yeah. I mean, that was the whole thing that Snowden exposed. Yeah. And that's why they were building these massive data centers, the NSA was, or it still is.

Yeah. I mean, there's so much going on that we just don't know. That's why it's so weird. Well, that's why it's so weird when, like, this UFO disclosure thing comes out. This guy. Didn't it just come out today? Yes. A whistleblower?

Yeah. This gentleman, David Grush. And David Grush, let's find out who he is and what his credentials were. But he essentially said that they are illegally hiding it from Congress and they are illegally hiding it from the American people. But they have off-world craft in possession. Who's the day in that? It's somewhere well, it's in the things they're saying is oh here Let's read it Air Force veteran has made a bombshell claim that US government has recovered materials that could be proof of UFOs including an intact craft of

non-human origin but they are keeping it a secret from the public David Charles Grush a veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office, has blown the whistle on this information, speaking with several news outlets about the crafts. These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles.

Call it a spacecraft, if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed, Mr. Grush told News Nation. Mr. Grush served as senior technical advisor for the unidentified aerial phenomenon analysis with top secret secret compartment and information clearance, according to the debrief. He also served as a senior intelligence officer in the National Reconnaissance Office. In total, he has 14 years

of experience serving as an intelligence officer so here's the question is that a psyop is this uh we've got a non-human craft a psyop like if i was the government and i was working on some shit and i didn't want china or russia to know about it and we could do some wild shit some anti-gravity shit. I thought it was totally nuts. And I thought at first I was being deceived. But it was a ruse, Mr. Grush told News Nation.

People started to confide in me, approach me. I have plenty of senior former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program. He told the debrief that he's prepared many briefs on UFOs for Congress, but last year decided to provide hours of classified information and data about the materials recovery program. Mr. Grush claims the materials recovery program

was shielded from proper congressional oversight. So this is what Bob Lazar has been saying forever. This guy's saying that it was going on for 80 years. So like this brings us back to the 1940s. I mean, this is like, this is means like Roswell. This is what they were talking about when all the people that were at Roswell that were at the actual crash site and the actual claim they saw bodies. And then there was two different aircrafts that were flown in to Roswell, New Mexico, and took the wreckage and flew it in two different aircrafts in case one of them crashed, supposedly. And they flew them to Wright-Patterson Air Force

Base. This has all been documented. Now, if that was a balloon, it was just a balloon, why would they go through such lengths? And why are there so many people that have so many stories about Roswell? Why are there so many hokey, goofy fucking explanations of what happened, including it was a parachute. And there was human dummies, like crash test dummies that were evolved. There were crash testing things. Not according to the people that were there. What they saw was materials that could not be explained, insanely light. You would crumple it, and it would immediately flex back to the stage that was out there.

They found things that had some sort of writing that resembled hieroglyphs. I mean, these people, they could have all been full of shit. It could have been just some story. Something happened, and everybody told everybody, and you're playing a game of telephone. And the next thing you know, it's this wild story of bodies and little tiny caskets and people being silenced. But the problem is the story is very universal. When they're all telling the story, it's real similar, man. And the guy who was a part of the initial release, he went public afterwards and said, that's stuff that we showed the American public

when they were sitting there. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was showing like a piece of a weather balloon and they had this smile on their face. And this is one day after the, I think it was the Roswell Daily Record. They had the front page of the newspaper that the government has recovered a crashed UFO.

I mean, I don't know how big the universe is. I've heard it's hard to quantify in size. Yeah, that's it right there. I mean, what do you think the odds are in all of the universe that we are alone? It's not good. If it is, it's wild. If it's just us, it's wow. What a weird fucking aberration. Let's assume it's wild. If it's just us, it's wow. What a weird fucking aberration.

Let's assume it's not us. So for a species, I mean, we can look at where we are at. We can make it to kind of the moon before we start fucking up. Maybe Elon can get us to Mars. Maybe not. So let's assume that a species that was able to come check us us out is probably more advanced probably more intelligent i think they would run for the fucking hills why because we are idiots and i think anybody who viewed humanity from a long enough more objective lens would say maybe we can just leave this trash

planet alone for a little bit and we'll come back after either they have killed themselves again and regrown into something better or when they come and visit us? I don't think so. I think we're normal. I think this is what normally happens when territorial apes start to develop advanced powers. Territorial apes start to figure out things like nuclear power and then nuclear bombs when they start figuring out antimatter, when they start figuring out just some of the wild shit these motherfuckers are working on. And that's us. And we're crazy. And we're full of shit. I mean, if they just looked at our president and our vice president, like this is the commander in chief and second in charge of the greatest army the world has ever known.

The greatest country that's ever existed that's filled with technology and innovation and art and creativity, and it's run by these fucking buffoons. Like, this is real? This is really what they chose? This is really how the system works? When you look at Congress, how many of them are engaged in insider trading,

how they don't want to make it illegal? Hypothetically, Joe. Well, hypothetically, they do better than the best investors in the world. Probably pure luck that they're all in the same group. Nancy Pelosi is probably just a wizard. She's just really good at numbers. She might be a wizard, but I don't think it's in stock.

The whole thing is crazy. I think we're a fascinating organism. We're a fascinating dominant creature on a planet. I think we're a fascinating organism. We're a fascinating dominant creature on a planet. I think we're fascinating to us. I think a highly advanced species seeing a planet of evolved apes with nuclear abilities would say, Scotty, warp level 15 in the opposite direction. us from our own demise. Maybe they're here because they know that there is a possibility when these territorial apes with nuclear arms get into these situations like when Russia and Ukraine, and they have the ability to nuke the planet many times over, that they're here just to monitor and make sure that shit doesn't get too loopy. And if you were an intelligence officer like this guy, and you had access to this information, and it's not just him, it's guys like Ryan Graves, it's guys like Commander David

Fravor, guys who are legit military men who have impeccable reputations, who tell these fantastic stories that are backed by data. It's backed by these vehicles that have been tracked going at insane rates of speed. These vehicles that display no method of visual propulsion that we understand that can do things that we have no idea how the fuck they're doing it. Things that are like hovering perfectly still at 120 knots and then jet off at insane rates of speed. When Ryan Graves was on, what he explained is that, I believe it was around 2014, they upgraded all of their sensors and all of their capabilities on their jets and immediately started seeing these things. They started seeing these things and they think these things had always been there, they just didn't have the ability to recognize them.

Makes sense. And he said they're moving in a way that cannot be explained by anything that we know currently. I think it's improbable that we're out here by ourselves. I think we'd be watched just like, have you seen Chimp Nation? No, I saw you post about it the other day. Fucking awesome. Fucking awesome. But they're watching these chimps. They're watching them create chaos. They're watching them fight

over food. They're watching them control territory. It's what we do. We watch intelligent species because a chimp is an intelligent species compared to most animals. They do things that are far more interesting. They act in packs. They have social hierarchy systems.

They communicate with each other. They have a very complex social structure, just like us, just like us. We're just a more advanced version of that. And if they're a more advanced version of us, I would imagine they would watch us the way we watch those chimps. They don't interfere. They make their presence known. They're always there, but they don't do anything. So they allow these chimps to behave just like chimps. And if I was an alien and I wanted to study human beings, I would do that. I would just make my presence known occasionally, watch from afar. And as their ability to understand what's out there increases in humans, then they're going to become more aware of these things that have always been there.

And then they'll have to start talking about it. And if they really have recovered something, like there's a moment of contact documentary about Virginia, Brazil in 1996. And the whole town experienced this, these UFO sightings and this crash there was like a crazy thunder lightning storm and one of them crashed and they recovered bodies and one of the soldiers that carried these bodies he died of this horrific bacterial infection that they could not fix they didn't know what it was a young healthy guy and right after he contacted this thing he carried this thing they put it in the back of a car and drove it to several different hospitals they did an autopsy on this thing there's doctors

that were there everyone's terrified to talk about the air force flew in and they flew in to uh virginia and recovered whatever the fuck it was and took it with them so the united states air force did so what was that about? Is that real? Do they really have these things? Do they have multiple ones? This is Bob Lazar was saying this in the 1980s. He was saying that they hired him to back engineer something that they had recovered. And he also said that one of the things that they recovered was from an archaeological dig. They said it was really old. And they said that the Babas are and this is also something that Grush had said That he had been told that one of those things had been recovered from an archaeological dig

Well, thanks for making it impossible for me to sleep for a few days. It's I think it's real. I think it's real I think it's improbable that we're alone. Yeah, it's very unlikely and I think it's improbable that if we are Not alone that no one would be interested in us. I think we're fucking fascinating. We're the weirdest thing that exists in our known universe. We're so weird. We engage in deception and fraud and some of it's legal and some of it's not. And murder and war and chaos and theft and our economy is built on a fucking shell game. I think they'd be fascinated. They're like, look at what happens

when these fucking weirdos have power and influence. But then as the age of information starts to emerge and technology starts to reach this point where you can't hide things anymore like you used to be able to you can't just silence people like you used to be able to then all this stuff like this guy people start coming forward and they start saying hey this is crazy this is illegal this is anti-american you're supposed to be telling people what the fuck is going on here and he's saying that they're in cahoots with these big military contractors. They're in cahoots with these companies that build technology for the military. And that they're all trying to work on this stuff.

And that there's a race going on between us and the other superpowers. That we're not the only ones that have recovered these things. Which is fucking crazy. Because that means they're hiding this from presidents. They're hiding it from Congress. They're hiding it from... So who makes that call? Like, if there really was, if Bob Lazar is telling the truth

and if this gentleman is telling the truth, you should see him talk about it, too. This David Grush fellow, when he gets interviewed, see if you can find the interview. It's pretty short. They were referencing in that article. Yes, that guy. And he's the guy, he's ended his career to come out and talk about

this stuff because he's like, this is nuts. This is, and if you're a real patriot, that's probably the thing you should do. And apparently, according to Sager, he was talking about breaking points, the New York Times rejected this, the Washington Post rejected this, they didn't want to talk about it.

This is the gentleman. So let's play this. These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. Call it spacecraft, if you will. It's probably not the right parlance. But no kidding, non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. We have spacecraft from another species. We do, yeah.

How many? Quite a number. That's it? Where's the whole interview? Probably that website. See if you can find, is that something you have to sign up for? What is it? News, what is it?

News Nation. News Nation. sign up for what is it news what is it news nation news nation meanwhile that might be a 100 government-controlled organization that just promotes propaganda that guy's working for them you got to think about all these things i know news nation who are these folks oh interesting he's their fucking centerpiece look at that Yes he is He looks a little tanner than usual Can we save ourselves From ourselves Joe To go back to the humanity sliding

Towards the brink Sure It's possible Here's the ten minute interview Okay let's hear it Just play it Let's just see what it's like Military program

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We have spacecraft from another species. We do, yeah. How many? Quite a number. You're kidding. No. I thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived. It was a ruse. People started confiding in me. They approached me. I have plenty of current former

senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me. They were a part of a program. They named the program. I've never heard of it. And they told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me documents and other proof that there was, in fact, a program that the UAP task force was not read into. Grush alleges the U.S. government... Hmm. Does it keep going? What else does it say? The entire American public has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the US government is

saying publicly, we are not alone. We're definitely not alone. Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah. Do we have bodies? Do we have species? Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. It's also harder for people to wrap their minds around the concept.

I don't know, man. He might be a full of shit. Well, I'm fascinated. He might be a government agent. Well, to'm fascinated. He might be a government agent. Well, to unpack that a little bit, you know, so there are – I can only speak to it from a military perspective. So he was in the Air Force. There are programs – they're covered programs or there are programs that you're not going to get read into. And just because you're read into one program doesn't mean you're going to get read into other ones.

So his clearance, TSSCI, is not an uncommon one. It's the same clearance that I held that I was in. Having a clearance, there's two things, right? You have to have the clearance and then you have to have the need to know. So you could view him saying we were not read into another program as something that would be conspiratorial, or you could view it as like one program didn't necessarily have something to do with the other one. So there's no need to actually read them in. I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm fascinated to understand. It sounds like what he is saying is that the United States military is nesting that program, the program to go recover. And I would be fascinated to know how they are doing that invisibly. I mean, we're talking aircraft, we're talking identification early on aircraft,

moving teams in this, you know what I mean? Like there's a're talking identification early on aircraft moving teams and this you know what I mean like there's a lot of shit right I'm not saying it's impossible I have but there are people that are coming forward so it's not like they're totally being quiet which is sort of they're coming forward with a piece they're coming forward with a piece of a pie I'd be fascinated how all the pieces of the pie fed together I'm not saying what he's saying isn't true but watching that actually for me with my limited understanding of some of the stuff he was talking about, I have more questions that I would want to

ask him. Yeah, I would want to ask him too. We've got to get him. We've got to get him on here. I bet he would come on here. I'm just kind of going fucking... I feel like though... He went on a tour or something. Oh, why didn't he contact us?

I think you might get more circular answers. Maybe he did. You might get more. Maybe I asked too many questions. Maybe the word I get. You ask good questions, though. Is he still in? I might not even matter.

I don't even know if they probably allow weed in the current military. You might get more circular answers than specific ones. If you if you look at the answers that he that he was giving, and again, I'm not trying to discount what he's saying. And I personally, like I have said many times, I think it's improbable that we're alone. He was speaking in generalities and not specifics. He was talking about other people's experiences, less his own. Yes, that's a good point. And that's what my question would be. What have you seen? Yeah. What have you seen physically with your own eyes? Yeah. What have you touched? What do you know for a fact?

And again, I'm not saying he hasn't had those experiences, but I would ask those same questions as well. And just from my understanding of how the military will compartmentalize, as all organizations who actually want to keep information or at least delay the release of information, compartmentalization is not a novel concept. Well, that's what bob lazar said was the problem with the back engineering program he said that science can't exist like that in a vacuum and the propulsion experts were not allowed to talk to the metallurgists the metallurgy experts were not allowed to talk to the biology experts the the he said all if they really did have physical bodies the people that were working on the propulsion system had no knowledge of that, weren't allowed to talk about it.

But there was all chatter. Everyone would talk about things. And apparently there was some sort of a debriefing they gave them. And in that debriefing, he said it was so nuts. He said, first of all, they said they've been coming here forever. And they also said that we're a product of accelerated evolution Which is wild as fuck yeah that human beings in general that why we are so different from all the other primates I mean that's always been the fucking

Conspiracy theory folklore that's the fun one you know that they came down That's the Anunnaki that came down here and messed around with lower primate DNA and did something to it to create a human being. I'm here for it. I'm here for that. Yeah. That would make everything fun. And then I would think that the government would want stuff like this to come out if they're in the middle of like stealing money or doing something really wild. Oh, the classic misdirection?

Oh, for sure. Yeah. If you're going to take something that gets rid of a certain amendment, or you're going to do something that allows you to infringe on rights or to impose some new sort of restrictions and- Bring the aliens out. Yeah, bring the aliens out. Yeah, I guess. Sometimes I wish people were smarter. Well, some people are. The problem is most people don't have the time. When we're talking earlier about so many people that work all day, and then they also have interests that they're chasing, and they also have families and hobbies and things. How much time do you have about after that to go on a deep dive about what the government's doing about UFOs or what's really going on in Ukraine or what's really going on with Bitcoin? Or how did Sam Bankman Freed of FTX gain access to the most prominent politicians in the world while he was running a Ponzi scheme? And how did he become the number two donor to the Democratic Party? And why is that motherfucker out on bail and chilling at his parents' house?

No big deal. He's just stole billions. What's the problem? I wish we would all get equal treatment like that. First off, I'm not smart enough to create a system like he did, but, you know. Yeah. Well, there's so many, right? The Galene Maxwell thing.

What's going on that? How come there's no client list? How come no one knows who she sex trafficked to? That's crazy that someone is going to jail, tried and convicted for sex trafficking. But to who? The guy that was maybe responsible for starting the FTX thing, the Binance guy. He just got in trouble and he's being looked into. Look at this.

Binance looks like FTX, but worse. The feds are going after the world's largest crypto exchange. Their allegations are ugly. Oh, boy. And isn't this the guy that the FTX went to to try to salvage FTX? Mm-hmm. Okay. And he was like, fuck you.

Yeah, this is yeah what is that that expression whenever you prepare to enact revenge dig two graves one for yourself and one for your enemy

yeah this dude's getting that second grave going what does it say what is the government saying about him I was trying to figure it out I've seen

I was busy there's a lot of stuff going on it's all horse shit what do you think would change say the client list came out for Epstein. What do you think would change? People would be in a lot of trouble. Would they though? Like let's say it was politicians. They would demand answers. They would want to find out what's going on. It would destroy reputations. It would destroy careers. They would try to have to find new people to fulfill the roles that those

people were in. Yeah, it would be a problem. It'd be a giant problem. I unfortunately think it wouldn't change anything. I think those politicians and the system that they've created are so well insulated that it might be headlines for a little bit and then it would go right back to business as usual. It depends. It depends on the climate of the country. And I think the climate of the country over the last few years is an intense distrust for mainstream media and the government. Because so many people lost their businesses, because so many people were lied to, because so many people were forced into taking an experimental medication that may have had horrible adverse side effects for a large number of people. I don't think so. for a large number of people. I don't think so. I think this is a very strange time.

I think people would get very angry. And I think this is a time where people realize that talking about things actually can change things now. Like, look at something dumb like Bud Light. You know, people are tired of this woke agenda. They're tired of being shoved in their face by corporations. And boom, Bud Light loses 27 billion dollars by sending a can with a face on it of an attention whore to that attention whore yeah and and all of a sudden everybody's like hey enough Target puts uh all this uh pride stuff in their stores and pride kids clothes and and people like enough what are you doing like what

are you doing i think it shows i think if people were paying attention though it shows who is like the outrage culture it's almost a currency right and that's why i think that i don't i don't know if anything would change if the like let's hypothetical world the uh epstein client list comes out and it's all politicians, hypothetical world. Like every, I don't know, it's, it's a Tuesday today. I'm sure there's somebody outraged about something and they're screaming about it on social media and tomorrow there'll be something else. So it's like outrage every single day. And I honestly think it's less effective, but to go to the Bud Light thing, what's interesting to me, I think if people are paying attention, the loudest people on those platforms, I think it's very easy to fall into this trap of thinking that it's the majority.

I think the loudest people on all those platforms are the minority. So what has happened is for that particular brand, for whatever reason they made that decision, what ended up happening is they appeased somebody who was in a very vocal minority and the very silent majority told them to go fucking pack rocks. Well, not only that. Not on social media. Right. With their fucking wallet in the real world.

Yes. And they're led by their king, Kid Rock. Bud Light sales keep slipping, but it remains America's top-selling beer. Wow, Bud Light's still America's top-selling beer? That's how far ahead it was. Wow. Super big. They're down $27 billion, but they're still number one. Yeah.

I mean, how expensive is it to bottle urine? It can't be that much, right? It's like, fuck. That stuff tastes like shit. It's not good. No. Well, it's kind of like the flavor's so mild. It's just nothing.

It's boring. Yeah. It's just a mechanism to get you shit-faced on the economic budget. And a slow drip. It's like an IV drip of shit-face. Yeah. You know? But I just think it's fascinating. If you go, if you spend your time online, everybody is mad about something.

That's true. Or fucking everything. But aren't they mostly mad at their own lives? I think a lot of it starts with that. I think a lot of people, well, how can you know? And again, I don't think social media is the root of all evil, but if you look at what people post, they're not generally posting the valleys, right? They post their peaks.

So you're in this never-ending game of, well, look at what this person has in comparison to what I have, and look what that person's doing in comparison to what I'm doing. It's just this fucking portal to hell. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good also for people that don't have any discipline, which is most people.

Most people, and they're just lured into the rocks by this siren song of the internet. Why do you think most people don't have discipline inherently? They didn't develop it. I think you have to develop it early on or make a dedicated quest to develop discipline as an adult because you recognize the value of it.

Like a missing role model early on? when they were young where like say let's say you're a 13 year old and you join the wrestling team you probably have no fucking idea that anybody works that hard ever at anything you have no idea yeah and then you get home from practice and you're just fucking cooked eat the entire contents of a refrigerator you just empty out your fridge and you're exhausted every night and you can't believe how but maybe you get the bug and maybe you decide you want to become a competitive wrestler and so then you start competing off season you start going to camps and you start really becoming dedicated to wrestling and then you develop i mean it's not just wrestling it's any kind of sport or any physical activity

where you have to endure those moments where you want to quit, but you force yourself not to. There are so many people out there that just don't have that. And that serves you not just with physical endeavors, but with everything else in life, with business decisions, with everything. You develop discipline. You develop the ability to work harder than everyone else because you want to succeed. You work smarter. You're more intense. You're more focused. And if you can do that, you will be rewarded in life. Mostly for the most part, most of the people that work harder than other people are smarter than other people and put in

the work, they get ahead. And it's hard for people that have been working for other people doing the bare minimum because they hate their job and they get home and they just eat and play video games, it's very difficult for them to come up with that discipline because they didn't develop it as a part of their natural personality. It's not who they are. So for a guy like yourself, there was a SEAL, a guy like yourself that got into jujitsu, you've always done difficult things. Discipline is a normal facet of life that you know rewards you. And it yields great results. And there's a lot of people out there that never got that lesson. They were never taught it.

And if you don't learn it early on or you don't, again, make a concerted effort as an adult to develop that, it's not something that magically comes to you. I would say that's the benefit of interconnectivity in social media. If you are absent that mentor, you can find people that could fit that role. I think you just got to be careful who you put on a pedestal. Yes. Yes. Well, you should get a lot of information from a bunch of different sources for sure. But there's like this.

Good. I was going to say you're wearing the perfect shirt. Jocko's shirt. Jocko's that, that video good is one of my favorite videos ever because it's, first of all, it's so Jocko. And second of all, it's real good advice. Like I use it when I'm working out when I'm really tired and I want to quit. I'm like, good. That means you're going to get stronger. Good. That means you're exhausted. It means your endurance is going to get better. Good. Keep going. Yeah. You want to quit? Good. Don't quit. That's better. It's better if you don't quit. If you quit, you're going to fucking hate yourself for the next 24 hours until you work out again. And then you're going to remember what it felt like to quit. Now don't quit. Good. Now you didn't quit. Do it again

tomorrow. Sounds like it sucks again. Good. Yeah, it is exhausting. I just tell people when shit gets hard, you should consider giving up. I mean, it's like, not everything is worth it. You know? That's true about a lot of things. It's true about sucky jobs. For sure. But you have to have an off-ramp. You have to have an alternative before you can even start thinking

about that. You also have to live in a place where there's options. Some people are fucked. You live in a small town, small community. There's nothing there. Can't get out. Don't have any money. Maybe you got a family. No income opportunities. Like then luckily there's online and you can make money online and OnlyFans. Yeah. Selling pictures of your butthole. Yeah. There's money in that. Is there? I've never been on that website. That shit terrifies me. I've been on the website, but I've never subscribed to one. So I've been on and you don't get anything.

I mean, is it a website, what I think it is, where you can just- Yes. Yeah. So it's naked people on there. It varies wildly. Okay. It varies wildly. Like you, some is just like really pretty fitness girls, like we were talking about

earlier, that maybe like show a nipple every now and again. Controversial. A little bit of this, a little bit of that. A little Playboy-esque, right? they're just like showing their butt and looking sexy and then there's hardcore pornography where people just fuck and then there's people that wear masks and they fuck and there's people that wear like they blur out their face and they fuck yeah there's feet there's people that make a lot of money just showing their feet come on yeah yeah yeah one of the girls who works for shop was making make a lot of money just showing their feet. Come on. Yeah.

Yeah, one of the girls who works for Schaub was making a shit ton of money just selling feet. Come on. Yeah, way more money than she was. She was making it because she was a part of the show, I'm sure. So that got her famous. Or at least known. As long as it's two consenting adults, I actually don't give a shit what people do. Oh, I don't give a shit. Yeah, like, live your life. Listen, if I was

a girl working at Wendy's and I found out that I could show my asshole for $10,000 a month, like, let's go. Would you, though? 100%. 100%. What are you kidding? Of course I would.

It's way better than working at Wendy's. How do you break that to your kids later in life? You tell them you didn't have any resources. You had no way out. So you made your butthole your resource? Yeah. Yeah, not ideal. Not ideal.

Would have been better if mom was a pop star, but mom can't say. Didn't have any choices. Had to sell my butthole. Good. Yeah. I don't know if it's necessarily your butthole. It is in some cases.

But I think it's this you know the fuck wants to look at a balloon knot all day long like what's what's the deal with people out there oh i know they are i'm just fascinated what the fuck is wrong with them a lot yeah that's not what worries me what worries me is the kid stuff what worries me is when they keep catching like cops with fucking hard drives filled with child pornography when they catch principals and judges and that kind of shit freaks me out that how like the idea that there's a bunch of pedophiles out there that are somehow or another avoiding detection and then that are operating that freaks me out because it seems to be real have you had many people on who work in that industry the other side of that?

Screen per se where they're tracking these motherfuckers down. I've had some yeah the The very first episode I did Of the change talk about your show. Yeah, you have a show well it this you yeah So the very first episode I did of the second podcast that I was doing called change agents I can unpack it later, but was with a guy who essentially the ICAC, right? Internet Crimes Against Children and Human Trafficking Overseas. He came from a special operations background.

And a lot of guys actually gravitate towards it from that background. But they also, I think, are making a mistake thinking that they're going to take the skill, especially if you were an operator of some kind, even though I hate that term, you think you're going to go use those skills overseas and be kicking in doors. And my personal solution to the problem of people who engage in those things is just permanently shutting the lights off.

You don't get to do that though. That's how you end up in a prison cell with these people. It's the volume. I sat and talked with that man for about an hour and a half. And it's the things that they are exposed to are fucking haunting. And then even where I live locally, I was just having a coffee with a mutual friend who works part of the local sheriff's department. They have an ICAC division to the Internet Crimes Against Children. And I asked him, like, how do you look at this stuff all day long? Because there's the people who are seeking it out, who are for

whatever wiring in their head is what it is. For the people who are trying to stop it, they have to sift their way through that stuff as well. And how that doesn't destroy you. I don't understand. Yeah. And that's one of the discussions about our border. How many children that are coming through just go missing? How many children that are coming through get sex trafficked? It's not zero. Well, it's women as well. It's not even just the kids.

It's the same show. Just talked with an individual who is based in South Korea. They help facilitate people leaving North Korea. Oftentimes they have to do it through China. So it's a multi-stop, about a 3,000 mile journey. 60 to 70% of the women who leave North Korea are going to get trafficked along the way. them um i asked him specifically what was the longest uh journey that you had heard of somebody had to take and it was almost 20 years because i got sold into a marriage along the way kids had kids with that individual right so it's it it is everywhere and it's unbelievable that's uh what yomi kim yomi park rather uh talked about when she was on the podcast when she escaped what was her path to escaping they went to china when she 13, but her mother was raped in front of her. She was sold into sex trafficking. 60 to 70 percent.

And it's not like, oh, I was sold into sex trafficking for a month. It's half a decade. Yeah. You know? Scary shit. Yeah, it's the worst. Human beings are the absolute— we're the most horrific species towards each other it's unbelievable the depths that we will go to for the things that we will do to

ourselves so when they track these uh people that are child predators how do they catch them like what do they what is the way do they find forums online whether they go to the dark web like what is what is the way that they encounter these people? So in everybody that I've talked to, they obviously don't want to talk incredibly detailed because they don't want to tip their hat too much. They all kind of say the same thing though. It's just – it's in plain sight. It's all a matter of kind of knowing where to look and what to look for. And it's like the volume approach.

Kind of the same from what I've heard of people or organizations trying to throw drugs at the border. Like, yeah, you're going to catch 20%. That's cool. You stay busy with that 20% because we're focusing on the 80% that we make profit on. So it's kind of like the volume approach and it's just knowing where to look. But I think there's Craigslist, classified ads, online forums. I don't know shit about the dark web, but I have heard that term associated with it as well. And do they have, you know, do they have like code words? Like how do they, how do they? There's that. And I think a lot of the times these people who are becoming analysts, like I know of one person specifically, like it's their job to, they imitate either, uh, a pimp and they get more information from it. So they start these dialogues with the people in the industry and they learn more about them. They learn the vernacular, they learn how to navigate. And then the more educated they become, they could, they could portray themselves as somebody who is seeking a service, whatever that, I actually hate to use that term, but that's kind of what it is in their world um and i think and a service meaning like someone who provides kids they're they're specific in what

they're looking for you know whether it be age uh sex what um what that in what they are look picture video that's always been like the the most evil of all conspiracies about elites right that there's elites that engage in the cabal yeah yeah it's always been the sickest i have a hard time i have a hard time believing that one because i just i'm not seeing a single shred of evidence behind it i'm open to being completely wrong and having my mind changed but like they're the people like yeah hillary clinton drinks baby's blood like okay like well i don't think that's but people say that that's a version of a narrative that is out there i mean is it possible i mean after talking to these people that i've talked to it it's probably possible do i think that the global elites of of our government would be capable of doing that and not having it some way, shape, or form come out?

I think that's slightly less plausible. So it's more likely just insanely sick individuals that just live amongst us. Yeah. That's what I would say. And then, so the guy I had on the first episode of Change Agents, he works exclusively, well, not exclusively, but a lot of it is overseas. They can gather all the information they want. Then they have to turn it over to local law enforcement. And what happens with that information beyond there? It's a lot like us overseas. If we

were to develop a target package and you hand it over to your partner force, it's like, hey, this is now we're here in an advise and assist role. We can no longer go on target with you. Here's the package of information. And, you know, like four targets in a row. Like, oh, nobody was there. It's like, oh, okay. You know, because you fall back. Right.

Corruption, bribes. Totally. Relationships. Hey, hold those thoughts because i gotta piss we'll be right back all right they probably offered him money i was just gonna say exactly the same thing damn you joe yeah because like oh you want exclusive we'll pay you 50 grand and come yeah for people that we just came back we're talking about the guy why did he go with what is it news nation they probably gave him some cash why would he do it exclusively right i don't know but from

what i understand from what saga was saying see if that's true jamie that the um that the washington post and the new york times both said no they wouldn't print the story they wouldn't talk to him which is crazy if true they wouldn't talk to him or they wouldn't print the story because those are actually different things. I don't know. I don't know. Sagar was talking about it, though. Because there's definitely a journalistic line as far as what they have to be able to prove before they're going to print it.

The thing is, the people that reported on this, the people that broke the story, are the same people that broke the story in 2017 about the Pentagon admitting that there are crafts that are in our environment that somehow or another are behaving in a way that we can't explain. And they think are of non-human origin. So the same New York Times story that broke in 2017 that kind of blew everybody's mind six years ago, same people. They broke this as well. So reputable sources. Fair enough.

Yeah. I don't know, man. The whole thing to me is like, fuck. If true, holy shit. If not true, boy, do you feel stupid. If true, though, kind of cool. If true, super cool. Yeah.

Like they're not coming down and, well, I guess unless you live in Alabama, sucking you up with a tractor beam and searching around in your butthole. I don't even think they say that anymore. So why was that the most common narrative? I don't think it was. What's the most common one that I saw? I think the probes became – that became something like folklore. Most people talk about some sort of a medical examination. Yeah. folklore most people talk about some sort of a medical examination yeah you know like this guy

travis parker the fire in the sky guy he's got a wild story from the 1970s he was walton what did i call him travis parker he's a dope drummer on blink 182 you might have seen aliens travis walton sorry travis parker he's definitely seen aliens jamie but it was via probably a substance as opposed to uh your name is travis parker too you're also travis parker like hey mom what the fuck yeah she's like i didn't know there was gonna be another guy that got famous i think it would be sweet if there was aliens if there was if it was ever proven it doesn't necessarily scare the shit out of me if they're here visiting and they've been observing us they probably have the ability to kind of do

whatever they want i don't know that stuff to me is fascinating well i think it's probably true i mean i certainly would study us yeah i do study us through social media which is a super fucked up lens well we're talking today about uh examining bots and that like when there's ever a super controversial thread on twitter and someone's saying something, whenever it's some sort of hot button social issue, I'll look at like someone's account. And I'll go, someone says something really crazy. And then I'll go to their account. And it's all like that. And they have a thousand followers or whatever.

And it's not a real person. You can kind of tell like pretty early on that this is a propaganda site. And how many of them are out there? I mean, one of the FBI analysts, former – what was that guy's position? The guy that said that he estimated that there was as much as 80% of the people on Twitter are bots? That is wild. Wild. Because Elon, that was like a big part of contention during the purchase.

They were saying it's 5%. He's like, how do you know? Yeah. Former FBI and CIA security specialist says more than 80% of Twitter accounts are bots. Twitter has been accused of misleading regulators about its protections against spam accounts and hackers by social media companies. Former security chief Peter Zatko. How do you say that? Peter?

Peter? Peter. P-E-I-T-E-R. Yeah. I bet they're a shit ton. I don't know if it's 80, but it's probably half. My business partner in the coffee shop is from the tech world, and he's like my only resource to talk to AI about,

and he's not a specialist in ai but what he has said multiple times is it's very interesting when all of the founders of ai and that kind of theory are warning against what it could potentially do and maybe we need to check it a little bit like perhaps we should pay attention to that yeah for exactly shit like that. Yeah. I mean, if it can move the social awareness and drive people to conclusions that I don't think anybody necessarily wants, we should probably do something. I'm not the person to talk to about what should be done, but I don't know why people aren't paying attention. No, I don't know why people aren't paying attention either. And I don't know if you've ever seen any of Robert Epstein's work, but he's a guy that I've

had on the podcast as well. And Robert Epstein, he has done studies on the impact that Google search engine results that are curated have on elections. Because it's a big deal. If you Google Robert Kennedy Jr., for instance, you're going to find probably a bunch of vaccine stuff that's going to lead people to think that this guy's a kook. That'll probably reach – let's Google that. That'd be fascinating. Yeah. Let's Google Robert Kennedy Jr. By doing this, just by curating search results, they can shift the percentage of people up and down, like the way people view people in the polls.

Yeah, let's just see what pops up. It's literally in the first sentence, though, like you were saying, the anti-vaccine propaganda. Yeah, there is. First sentence on Wikipedia. Viramon Allura, who's promoted anti-vaccine propaganda. Bang. First thing. First thing you see. Anti-vaccine propaganda. As opposed to what?

Pro-vaccine propaganda? Yeah. If you listen to what he says about vaccines, it is not unreasonable at all. He is not in any way anti-vaccine. He's anti-dangerous vaccines and he's anti-lying about the effects of these things both of those seem utterly reasonable to me jamie do you ever use uh one of the newer browsers that's supposedly not to supposed to curate yeah like duck duck goes i'm curious what the difference would be if you threw brave browsers good too there's search engines out there that don't curate wasn't he his voice is the way it is due to a vaccine right yes yes he believes it's from the flu vaccine he used to get the flu shot all the time and that's one of the side effects the

particular disease that he has that caused his voice to get fucked is his actual side effect a rare side effect but an actual side effect yeah of that you think he's got a chance at it i think they're going to do everything they can to stop him. That's for sure. They're going to do everything they can to stop that guy. He's a fucking Kennedy. He's really reasonable. He's very calm. He's very intelligent. He was an environmental lawyer

for a long time. And the things he's saying are not unreasonable at all. And he's also his temperament is sensational. When challenged on things, he's very calm and collected and he's very reasonable he's not an outrageous person so he's brave with duck duck go instead of google but what google did is the same thing here it pulls up his wikipedia yeah right first so everybody does the the wikipedia first and then similar news stories, and then just the same first story that Google had too.

It's the New York Times. I think what Robert Epstein's data shows is that when subjects are controversial, that they will curate the news to fit a very specific narrative, especially when it's someone who's viable, like Donald Trump, like who might actually win

they will curate the news in a certain way or with someone like Carrie Lake in Arizona like when it's stuff about the election denying instead of like looking at well what are her claims is there any veracity to her claims instead of doing that they they highlight things in a way and curate things in a way that leads people to make conclusions. And those conclusions shift the way people vote. You think that the country could survive four more years of Trump? Could they survive four more years of Biden? I don't know if it would actually be four more years of Biden.

Yeah, he might not even make it to the elections. I mean, I think a good litmus test is would you want this individual flying? Oh, yeah. They removed Robert Kennedy's interview with Mike Tyson when Mike Tyson had him on the podcast. YouTube removed it. Why? Because of COVID, what they think is COVID misinformation, which, by the way, has been 100 percent verified. Everything that he said is true. All the things he said about the side effects,

all the things he said about the efficacy of the vaccine, all the things that he said about how they tested it, how they came to the conclusions that it was effective, all of it is very disturbing stuff. And it's, you know, they removed, Theo Vaughn had an interview with Bobby Kennedy. They removed that as well. YouTube is going, ever since he decided to run for president, they're taking these interviews that have been up for a year plus and they're taking them down. How much, because you're exclusively on Spotify now, right? How much issue did you guys have with that on YouTube? Well, we came over right when it was happening. Okay. So if we put stuff up on, like, say if I had the Robert Malone episode on Spotify and I decided to put the episode as well on YouTube, the entire episode, I'm sure YouTube would take it down. Meanwhile, what he's saying has all been proven to be true.

The same thing with Peter McCullough. The only thing that Peter McCullough got wrong is he said that if you get COVID, you get over it, you're not going to get it again. You do get it again. You do get it again. Some people get it bad. But what's fascinating is a recent study by the Cleveland, what was it, by the Cleveland Clinic,

recent studies showed that the more COVID shots you get, the more likely you are to get COVID. Really? Yeah. And this is the Cleveland Clinic. This is like the number two clinic in the country. This is a, this is like a huge news story. And, uh, you know, if you put that on YouTube,

you might get demonetized. You might get your, your episode pulled. But meanwhile, CNN can make your face the color of the yellow Rogan lights behind you. And that's okay. Yeah. First off that shit was hilarious. It was hilarious. But it's just hilarious. First of all, can make your face the color of the yellow rogan lights behind you and that's okay yeah first off that shit was hilarious it was hilarious but it's just hilarious first of all a that you know that they went that far out of the way to lie that they would put a filter on my face like they had an agenda so hardcore and they were so dumb about it. Like everything, like, if you really cared about the news, why wouldn't you ask how I got better so quick? Yeah, if you really wanted people to get better, but there was only one narrative, the narratives, you must get vaccinated. If you don't

get vaccines are the only way to stop this thing. It's not true at all. It's never been true. It's not true. It's 100% not true. You can recover from In fact, most people do. And if you do get vaccinated, there's a possibility that you could have a vaccine injury. That's true too. If you said any of those things on YouTube, they would get you pulled. It's because they're sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies. That's why. It's not because they care about you. I saw Mike Tyson's Clips channel didn't get this taken down, which is this.

Oh, that's the CIA? Did the CIA kill... This also. Vaccines can harm you and your children. It doesn't have many views. Well, we should fucking not let any people know about it. They'll take that down, too. They probably don't know about it yet. I know. I mean, I'm sure it's... You know, we're dealing with the government.

They're goofy. They probably just want the whole episode down. They didn't understand Clips. Fucking dorks. But here's the thing if the government isn't smart enough to understand youtube clips well how the fuck are they hiding alien spacecraft from us it's a different different government that's like saying people if people are so stupid that they smoke meth how are they figuring out satellites because some people are stupid and smoke meth exactly yeah some people are stupid they're in

the government and there's the guy they tell to contact YouTube to take down true information because it doesn't fit with the narrative. That guy's probably a dope, you know, and he probably doesn't understand that Mike Tyson also has clips. He does now. We probably fucked it up for everybody. Sorry, Mike. But we have to in the interest of discussing this. Yeah. I wish that the government was as capable as people think it is.

I think parts of the government is capable. Yeah. I think there's highly capable. Well, I would say this. I think there's highly capable individuals in every segment of government, but the larger piece of the government that they work for is probably less effective. Yeah. Well, it's definitely not optimal, but they're really good at some things. not optimal but they're really good at some things you know and i think what we're dealing with now is human beings are now exposed to the machine they're they see it in a way they never saw it

before i think that's what makes this time so interesting and i don't know what's going to happen with that i don't know how that's going gonna play out but I think people are more aware now if I'll fuck things are and about how Shady these fucking cunts that are running the news organizations are they're so bought and paid for they're so compromised They're so full of shit. It's actually hard not to see it It's hard like if you look at it with even a fraction of a degree of objectivity, it's I'm not gonna say impossible, but it's really, really hard not to see on both sides. Yeah. Oh, 100% for clarity on both sides. I would have never thought this five years ago. I would have thought they're, they're, they're definitely biased. You know, you got Fox news

is all on the right and you know, and you got all the other ones that are on the And, you know, they have their own agenda and their own opinions on things. And a lot of it's silly. But I never, I never thought it was as transparent as I do now. And I think part of that would be me personally being attacked by it and watching it take place. Like, oh, you guys just lie. You just lie and you don't make any sense. Like if you cared about people, you would analyze what happened. Like if you're a young, healthy person, I'm not even young, I'm 55 or 54 when this happened. Like how in danger are you? And then if you look at the actual stats of how many people actually died and how many of them had comorbidities, it's 94%. It's something bonkers. had comorbidities, it's 94%. It's something bonkers.

And it's not just one comorbidity. It's a minimum of four comorbidities or an average of four. It's a shit ton of people that were really, really sick already that already had fucked up compromised immune systems. And you've got these people that were doctors that are fat and they eat shit and they don't take vitamins and they don't exercise. And they think that an injection is the thing that's going to lead you to health. Like it's one of the dumbest ways to approach a complex, nuanced situation, which is your own metabolic

health and your immune system. It's complex. It requires a lot of maintenance. You've got to take care of your body because it is literally a biological machine. And you've got these assholes that are dumping cheeseburgers and fucking milkshakes into their biological machine. And they just sit around and do nothing. It does taste good. Look, I'm pro milkshake. I am. What's your favorite flavor?

I like all of them. I love all of them. Vanilla. Less artificial colors. Healthiest of milkshakes. Really? I guess. I's your favorite flavor? I like all of them. I love all of them. I like strawberry. Vanilla, less artificial colors, healthiest of milkshakes. Really? I guess. I have to assume milk is white. I guess.

But I mean, how bad are artificial colors? Are they really that bad? I think they're probably bad if you drink them. Drink them all day. I don't know how you ingest a milkshake, but. I mean, a lot of artificial colors, I'm saying, if you drink a lot of it all day. So to your point, though- I think it's bad for you.

So how do you, when you see information, how do you vet it? So again, to go back to people are probably- Well, I'm very fortunate that I know a lot of people. So what I do is generally, if something comes up in the news and I'm like, what is that? I'll contact some very intelligent people that I know. Yeah, who are the apex of that. Yes. What would you recommend for people who either don intelligent people that I know. Yeah, who are the apex of that. Yes. What would you recommend for people who either don't have that access or fall back into that category of what we were talking about earlier?

They're busy all the time working a job to fucking pay their bills. It's hard because there's not a source that you can absolutely trust that's giving you objective news. If there was, I think it would be very successful. But it would be very hard for them to get sponsors because if something came up and say, if there was some new pharmaceutical drug and it appeared at least initially that there was some very adverse side effects and that they were trying to obfuscate, that they were trying to like cover this up and that in your job is to try to expose that. But yet those people advertise on your channel. That's where things get real slippery. Yeah.

And then you talk to the people at the CDC or the FDA, and they'll tell you, they'll inform you, no, this is propaganda, and this is safe and effective. And then you find out there's a revolving door with the FDA, where they go right from the FDA, right into these crazy jobs at pharmaceutical drug corporations and make fucking shit piles of money. what how is that legal or they have names on the patents of the medication while they're still serving yes like moderna like they had a patent on the moderna vaccine like the whole thing is fucking crazy because there's so much money involved and there's so much propaganda and then there's so much where people want to believe that this is going to save them because they're in this terrifying situation where this is virus that's spreading across the world. It's killing people.

And the narrative is so terrifying. So when you get it, you're horrified. So when you get COVID, there's also that because you think you are going to fucking die because you've been reading about it and hearing about it and you start panicking. And if you panic, your immune system crashes, it gets worse. So if you're in a state of like heightened anxiety and fear and you can't sleep, now you can't recover because you're not sleeping, right? Now you're freaking out and you've been told that you're going to die and you're so sad and so scared. And then you're hearing people like Jimmy Kimmel laughing about unvaccinated people dying on the air And you're so sad and so scared. And then you're hearing people like Jimmy Kimmel laughing about unvaccinated people dying on the air. And you're like, what the fuck, man? That was a weird

look. It's crazy. It's crazy that someone would make those jokes, especially now knowing what we know about the efficacy of it, that it really was only good for a couple of months and that it also might be encouraging variants. And that's one of the reasons why virologists tell you to never vaccinate during a pandemic, especially with leaky vaccines, with vaccines that don't stop the transmission and don't stop infection. Two things they lied about in the beginning. They didn't even have studies that showed that it stopped transmission or stopped infection. They just fucking said it. They said it because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.

Do you think it was incompetence or malice? Malice. Yeah, I think they wanted money. I think they wanted an insane amount of money that came from that. And they got it. They got it. And they're also, because of the emergency use authorization, they weren't liable.

They weren't in trouble. But employers are now liable. So employers that mandated the vaccine and people that had to go and do it because they needed to keep their job, those people are now suing when they got vaccine injured. So we'll see where that goes. I think it's fucked it up. Like my larger concern is if, I mean, do you remember, I'm sure you do, the initial data about COVID, like the death rate, which would have fucked up a large portion of the world had it actually been proven to be at that level. I know it because I had Dr. Peter Osterholm on the podcast sounding the alarm at the beginning of the pandemic and everybody fucking freaked out. Everybody freaked out. And I wish if we had a time machine that people were more comfortable

saying, I don't know, but this is the best information we have right now. We're going to leave it with a pin in it saying this information, we're going to update you as we get it. I don't think they could do that. I think they're being told what to say. I think by Fauci and by the N.A.I.D. and all that, the N.I.H. Well, my is, at least where I live, as an example, in Montana, which we can agree is a little Western. A little Western. Metaphorically and practically. Literally Western. There are horses that will sometimes come down Main Street, and I'm fucking here for it.

They, Montana, went into lockdown. And, of course, I can only speak about where I live. I mean, Montana is huge geographically, small population wise, just over a million people. There was a full lockdown because we had the same. I remember, I remember driving home one day and there was a sign on the side of the road that said, stay home. Don't put others at risk. Like Montana was taking it as seriously as anybody else. About four weeks into it though, as anybody else. About four weeks into it, though,

most of Montana was like, how about you go fuck yourself? And in the places that were locked down the most, I think now, if something were to come out, COVID XX, 28, whatever it is, I don't know if people would listen to the government anymore

based off of the previous experience. No, I don't think they will. Which means we're proper fucked. Unless it's more deadly. But what if it gets out? And that's the problem. What if the cart gets out in front of the horse? Yeah.

You know? What do you mean? Meaning maybe it is more deadly, but people are so hesitant to listen to what the government says because of their previous experience that it gets to a point where it can't be off-boarded or railroaded or pushed into a direction where it can be managed. Yeah, I think that's possible. Did you find that Cleveland Clinic thing? No.

I mean, I found an article talking from months ago that says something about it, but I don't know if- No, it was very, very recently. Yeah, it is. It was all over Twitter. Here, I can get it for you. Alex Berenson, I know, posted it. If you all over Twitter. Here, I can get it for you. Alex Berenson, I know, posted it. If you go to his sub stack, you can find it.

Go to Alex Berenson's sub stack. You'll find it for sure. We'll find it. But, you know, this whole thing- I think that's the fear, though, of not telling the truth. Yeah. Well, this whole thing is exactly what they did with the opioid epidemic. It's exactly what they did with Vioxx. It's exactly what they did with AZT during the AIDS crisis. You can go back and watch Dr. Fauci say there's only one drug approved for AIDS, and it's AZT, because AZT is

safe and effective. That's what he was saying in the 1980s. It was neither of those things. It wasn't effective. It wasn't safe. And it fucking killed people. It killed a lot of people. So what do people do then? I mean, if it's, if we have clear, consistent and examples that are happening over and over and over again, the people that are supposed to be in positions with our best interest in mind that are clearly acting, especially when you have a little bit of time from those experiences, you can look back and parse out the motivations,

whether it's personal, political, monetary, what the fuck are people supposed to do? It's a good question. It's a very good question. It's a very good question. And it's scary.

It's scary for people because if something else did happen that was similar like that, I don't think we'd have a different result other than the reaction to it would be more violent from the people that oppose. But the people that believe, they fucking believe. There's people that do not question the government. They do not question MSNBC. They do not question CNN. They just see headlines. agree with you but there's two like armies that face off that refuse to believe anything other than what their their party says and then there's the government which is supposed to be a combination of those people you know of the people for the people by the people it's like i'm not so sure that's the most current motto that we should be wearing on our blazers is this what you're talking about this thing i mean it doesn't say Cleveland Clinic that's why I'm asking no no that's

that's a myocarditis thing I don't see him talking about the Cleveland Clinic did you go to a sub stack yeah there's less there that's why I went to his Twitter god damn it I had a guy on the podcast

who had I'll find it for you Jamie got myocarditis from the vaccine his story was fucking horrendous. Yeah, it's scary shit, man. Yeah. Substack.

Let me see if I can find it, Jamie. Hang on. Let's pause for a second. I'm going to find it for you. Okay. This is the one I read. So this is the one that I saw, and this is the source that I saw it on. Cleveland Clinic peer-reviewed study found the more vaccines you've had,

the higher risk for COVID-19 infection risk. This is from June 3, 2023. So this is the one that I just read. It's like two days ago. Yeah. So scroll down. A groundbreaking study conducted by the renowned Cleveland Clinic, ranked as the second best hospital in the world, has found that

a higher number of COVID-19 vaccine doses received increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. The research conducted with a large sample size within the healthcare system capitalized on the early recognition of the need to maintain an effective workforce during the pandemic. Participants in the trial were all Cleveland Clinic health system employees working at any Cleveland Clinic facility in Ohio. On September 12, 2022, the first day of the bioavailant vaccine was made accessible to staff. The study, which has undergone peer review and has been published, stated, in quotes, the risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received.

The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19. See figure below. and overall effectiveness of about 29% protecting against infection with SARS-CoV-2 when the Omicron BA45 lineages were predominant circulating strains, only 29%. However, this effectiveness decreased when the circulating strains were no longer represented in the vaccine. In the case of the XBB lineages, the study could not establish a significant protective effect. So the multivariable analysis also found that the more recent the last prior COVID-19 episode was, the lower the risk of COVID-19. And the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received, the higher the risk of COVID-19, the study added.

More from the study. The association of the increased risk of COVID-19 with more prior vaccines doses was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be those who receive more doses are more likely to be individuals of higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of participants in this study were young and all were eligible to have received less or more than three doses of vaccine by the study start date, which they had every opportunity to do. What does that little line with the arrow mean? What does that mean? Where it says like where it says received that before the three

greater than or equal to greater than or equal to Okay, therefore, those who received greater than three doses 46% less than excuse me less than three doses 46% of the individuals were not eligible to receive the vaccine, rather chose not to follow the CDC's recommendations on maintaining on remaining updated on COVID-19 vaccination, and one could reasonably expect these individuals have been more likely to exhibit risk-taking behavior. Despite this, their risk of requiring COVID-19 was lower than that of the participants, those received more prior vaccine doses. Ours is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and a higher risk of COVID-19.

During an Omicron wave in Iceland, individuals who had previously received greater than or less, greater than or equal to two doses were found to have a higher odds of reinfection than those who received less than two doses in an unadjusted analysis. That's what I'm talking about. See, so when you see that, and then you see all these stories like, no, actually, it's even better.

Like, what is sponsoring those other studies or those other stories that are interpreting the data very differently than these people are interpreting it at the Cleveland Clinic peer-reviewed? What's, you know, that's why it's hard to know. differently than these people are interpreting it at the cleveland clinic peer-reviewed what's you know that's that's why it's hard to know well like even jamie who's good at googling well the problem is too that you'd be able to find an equal number of articles that say the opposite thing and i think my biggest the biggest what would be the correct term for it. The biggest takeaway that I have from living through the COVID pandemic was that you had better take control of every aspect of your life that you possibly can and do not outsource your safety and security to a fucking government. like you need to prioritize yourself and what you actually can control your time the discipline that we already talked about like i'm sorry but the data is out if you are overweight you're more

susceptible to die from a variety of reasons healthy covid whatever whatever the fuck it may be you have to you have to take ownership over that because then honestly like if you can find 50 articles that say that in 50 that say another problem Oh the Gateway pundit is a far-right fake news website what does that mean though this website is known for publishing falsehoods hoaxes and conspiracy theories right but this is also Wikipedia it was published the guy editor. Right, but this is also Wikipedia. It was published. The guy who wrote the article is this guy. The guy who created the article? Yeah, Jim Hoft.

Right, but what is the peer review data from, see, there's published. Click on published. I clicked on this. And who's the author there? Academic. Yeah, see, a bunch of doctors. I don't know how to just.

But hold on, Jamie. Come on. Effectiveness of the coronavirus disease, 2019 bivalent booster. So here's the study. Abstract, the purpose of the study was to evaluate whether bivalent coronavirus diseases, 2019, COVID-19, vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods, results. Among the 51, what does that say?

That doesn't say 51,000, does it? Yes, it does. Okay. 51,017 employees. COVID-19 occurred in 44,024, 8.7%. 4,000. Excuse me, 4,024, 8.7% during the study. In multivariable analysis, the bivalent vaccinated state

was associated with a lower risk of COVID during the BA4-5 dominant. Hazard ratio, 95% confidence, and the BQ dominant phases, but decreased risk was not found during the XBB dominant phase. The estimated vaccine effectiveness was 29%, 95% confidence. During the BA4, dominant phases respectively, the risk of COVID-19 also increased with time

since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. So it says it right there. That's in the study. The risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent prior COVID-19 episode and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. Conclusion. The bivalent COVID-19 vaccine given to working age adults afforded modest protection overall against COVID-19 while the BA four or five lineages were dominant circulating strains afforded less protective less protection

when the BQ lineages were dominant and effectiveness was not demonstrated when the XBB lineages were dominated but it says very clearly the risk of COVID-19 also increased with time since the most recent infection and with the number of vaccine doses previously received. So whatever the fuck Wikipedia says, like who's editing that? Why are they calling that fake news? Because that's not fake news. That's real. Who edits Wikipedia?

All of us. Yeah. But that's one of those things where you have to realize the sheer number of people that have a vested interest in maintaining a narrative and the amount of money that's involved in maintaining a narrative. And if they can just have some things like, look, you got Jamie. Oh, it's fake news. Look, it's a fake news website. I know. I'm just saying.

I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. I just know exactly what you did when I brought up another website. You're like, oh, look, it's OUA website. I'm just saying. I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming you. It's not exactly what you did when I brought up another website. You're like, oh, look, it's OAUA website. Let's not look at that one. Let's find a better website. I understand, Jamie. I understand, Jamie, but we went to the actual study. I don't know what this is. I know we read it, but I still don't know. Someone works for the government. Here's a study I want to know. I just feel tough about believing a website that is labeled as conspiracy theories, hoaxes, falsehoods, and fake news. Right, but guess what?

We're labeled that way. Ah. Yeah. I don't think we are. You know what study I want to see? I bet we are on Wikipedia. Did obesity increase or decrease in the U.S. population during the COVID time period? Ooh, that's a good question.

I'm going to say U.S. population during the COVID time period? Ooh, that's a good question. I'm going to say increased. Yeah. And what should have happened is people should have exited that two-year time period as a fucking machine. Right. They should have been like- Some people did. Some people did.

Some people did. Some people went ham. Some people did not. Yeah. And I'm glad that they did. And you know what they reduced their likely cause of death from? Fucking everything. Yeah.

To include COVID. Yeah. It's like, I get it. And again, you can get lost in that stuff. And I think that information is so important. But at the end of the day, you have to look at yourself in the mirror. That's true. But people don't like to do that. And people are trying to do that more than ever before, I think. And I think it's because of the influences of people like Jocko, and, youocko and Goggins and so many people in Cam Haines, so many health-conscious people that are promoting healthy lifestyles. And it's very admirable and it's very attractive and it's contagious. And you want to do the kind of things that those people are doing.

You want to live a healthy, robust life of a bunch of different kinds of experiences and enjoy yourself. And it's very difficult to do when you're fucked, when your body's fucked and fat You can't walk up a hill, you know, and it's the food you eat It's most of what the problem is the food you eat if you change your diet It'll eliminate a giant percentage of those problems and then exercise Will eliminate a giant bunch of those problems and take fucking vitamins Jesus Christ, please people There's so many people that don't believe in vitamins Oh, I just eat a healthy balanced diet. Shut the fuck up Shut up. Just shut your fucking dumb mouth

It's not true, I wish that message was more contagious than kovat unfortunately Doesn't I mean fuck seriously? I wish that message was as sticky. Yeah. Metaphorically. By the way, eating a healthy, balanced diet is awesome. However, most of the people that tell you that aren't eating a healthy, balanced diet. They're just being fucking lazy and they're trying to come up with a reason why they haven't taken vitamins. Yeah.

You know, it's not hard. Athletic greens. Take a little scoop. Put it in a glass of water. Shake it up. You got your vitamins for the day. Just do it every day. It's not hard.

It tastes good. It tastes surprisingly less bad than you would think. It's good. I like it. It's fucking good for you. Have you tried the Jocko stuff? The greens? I have not. He sent it to me. I haven't tried it. But I'm sure it's good. Pineapple-ish flavor. Your CBD drink is pineapple-ish. I'm assuming that's probably right up your wheelhouse. Yeah, I like pineapple. Pineapples are delicious.

It's not bad. I just think people, unless you take a view of your life and the things that happen to you with a sense of ownership, you're going to be like the wind, a flag blown back and forth in the wind. That's 100% true. Yeah. Also way harder to do than actually say. I think some people are going to do it. And some people, because of COVID, are less likely to trust the government and the news. And I think more people who got injured by the vaccine have their eyes opened, unfortunately, or know people that were injured by it or people that had really bad COVID, even though they were vaccinated and did the right thing and got wrecked.

And they don't understand. And they were lied to. They got duped. They thought Rachel Maddow telling them, the virus stops with you. with you no it fucking doesn't and you're not a virologist and you're lying and you really have never apologized for that which is fucking crazy that's the scariest kind of disinformation i was yeah i agree with you why do you think they get away with not apologizing or acknowledge they're in the media that they're they're bought and paid for. Wouldn't they be more trustworthy as a media source if they were? They don't care. They care about numbers. They just throw as much of numbers of a narrative.

They throw it out there as many times during the day as possible. It catches people in the headlines. And that's what the majority of people read. The majority of people see the headlines. They see the, the chyron running at the bottom of the screen. They believe all that. That's the majority of the people. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people that are waking up. There's a lot of people, I hate the term, but I'm going to use it, red-pilled. A lot of people got red-pilled. They're like, oh, this is just about money. This whole thing is a money grab. It's spooky as fuck. It's really weird, man, because there was so many i mean when the fucking white house is putting out a thing saying you're looking forward to a winter of illness and death if you're unvaccinated it's literal a literal skeleton is telling you this yeah when a hurricane comes the

most important thing is to get vaccinated get vaccinated Everything is hard when you're not vaccinated. Yeah. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild that this is the reality that we live in. And that these trusted sources are all full of shit. And they're all bought and paid for. It's fucking scary.

It's fucking scary for the average person. Because what if something comes along that's another medication for something that you don't even need it for. And they tell you this is going to prevent things. You should take it because it prevents things. And then all these people start having problems. They lie about the problems. No, there's no problems. In fact, we've shown a positive effect of this and that.

And then you have your VAERS report, the VAERS system, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Was this like 1% reported? It's like how many people actually got fucked? How many people are running around out there that don't want to talk about it because they're scared? They don't want to get in trouble. And that was a lot during the pandemic. A lot of people who did have vaccine-related injuries, they're fucking terrified because if they talk about it online, people attack them.

It's pretty wild to the degree that they attack them, too. They attack them for legitimately having a medical issue that was outside of their control. They're saying they're increasing vaccine hesitancy. Yeah. Yeah. So again, what do we do? I don't know, man. Keep doing what we're doing, I think.

I think talking about it helps a lot because people are aware of the actual data now and the facts. And then as more people come forth, more studies. There was one thing, I forget what news organization put it up on Facebook, but they said they had something like, does anyone that you know who is unvaccinated died from COVID? And then instead of that, everyone underneath it wrote, I know people died from the vaccine. And they started listing all these people who got strokes and heart attacks. And it was fucking thousands of them and thousands of them.

It was crazy. And that was an eye-opening moment as well. and that was an eye-opening moment as well. Yeah. Yeah, your overall, look, it's not that we shouldn't care for people that are injured and sick. It's not that we, like, if you're fat and you're fucked, you're like, tough shit, you know,

you shouldn't be fat, now you're going to die. No, that's not what we're saying. We're saying you shouldn't be fat, and you can do something about that. It's one of the rare things that you can absolutely change. It's one of the rare things about your body that you, with discipline and with a desire to change, you can do it. It's the food that you put in, the kind of food you put in your body,

and the amount you put in your body. You can vary that. It can be done. It is not easy, but it can be done, and the results are spectacular. If you think about it, as far as everything that's going to happen to you in life or everything you're going to experience navigating through life, it's actually one of the very few things you have control over. Yeah. I do an exercise with people when I'll sit down and talk with them specifically about leadership and where you want to allocate your energy. It's simple.

Just draw out on a piece of paper, line down the middle, what can you control and what are you concerned with? Like the circle of influence versus circle of control. There's only one thing that actually ends up in the control category. That's yourself. Yeah. In the concern category, holy shit. But depending on how much time you have, you can go page after page after page after page. But at any point in time in your life, you have total incomplete control, except for, I know there are abnormalities that prevent people from having a large amount of control over their body because it's wired improperly, for lack of a better term. But beyond that, you have total and complete control on the outcome. It's one of the few things, if not the only thing, that you can actually control in your

life. And I don't understand why people can't wrap their head around that concept. Nothing that you and I talk about is going to change our political system. It's not going to change the articles that are written. It's not going to change Wikipedia or any of this stuff that we've talked about, but you can make a decision with the time that you have to make yourself better and therefore more resilient to when that shit happens. You can do that. But one thing talking about it does do is it makes people aware that that's a real issue. Yeah. And that changes, that changes how people vote. It changes how people interact. It changes what people accept. It changes what people stand

up against. It changes what, what, what people are willing to tolerate. Yeah, that does. I agree. But the most impactful step I think people can take is focusing on getting their own house in order wouldn't that be nice if that was a narrative that the government was saying yeah go out and get exercise what if they just said vitamin d what if they just explained that vitamin d they what was the study did we ever find the study that said that 74 percent of all hospitalizations and death could have been prevented with vitamin D? What? Do you know that there's some bananas number of people that were in the ICU for COVID that were deficient in vitamin D? It was nuts. It's like 84% and only 4%

had sufficient levels of vitamin D. I guess it doesn't surprise me because most people seem to live indoors a lot more. Occupational. Yeah. And don't supplement. That's the big one. And then especially in the winter, you're not going outside, you're not getting vitamin D from the sun, which is the best way to get it. Especially where I live. You get about four hours. Yeah. What is it like in the winter? I mean, it's, I do actually think that people who are local or from Montana, cause I am not at Montana and I'm not allowed from Montana, because I am not a Montanan. I'm not allowed to say that because I'm not from there or haven't lived there for 40 plus fucking years. But yeah, the sun will come up about 930 in the morning and go down about 330 to 4 in the afternoon.

It's a bespoke experience. Yeah, I'll find that article, the 74% of you can find it, Jamie. But vitamin D is a massive factor in your immune system yep hold on so I got funny here more than 80% of covert patients at a hospital in Spain had a vitamin D deficiency according to a study yeah but nothing specifically was 74% the first search yeah i'll find it later and who knows if that was real too but it makes sense it has a massive effect on your immune system massive effect on just your overall metabolic health you're not supposed to be deficient in vitamin d

it's the reason why people got white the reason why people got white is because when they when they migrated out of africa they went to places that had less sunlight. And so their skin became like a fucking solar panel for vitamin D. You can feel it in the wintertime in northern Montana. There's a difference in, I would say, almost even emotional state, too, which I think is just from that lack. It's rough to get up. Seasonal affective disorder. Oh, shit.

Yeah, it's real. That affects people deeply in like the Pacific Northwest, where it rains all the time. Those people get fucking depressed. Yeah. And it's not just because it's not sunny out. I wish it was sunny, I'd be happy. It's also your body.

If you're not a person that supplements with vitamin D and you don't do something to make your body produce more vitamin D, you're kind of fucked. And it's obviously not a one-shot, one-size-fits-all cure. It's not the only thing you can do. But obesity is probably the number one thing. Obesity is gigantic. I mean, it fucks you in so many ways. And it fucked you particularly with COVID because there's something about fat and the way COVID had some effect that accelerated the effect of COVID, just by the percentage of body fat you have. What are your thoughts on people trying to make it so you can't talk about obesity without it being a social issue? That's hilarious.

That's people that are fat that don't want to lose weight. There's no one who's ripped. There's no one who's ripped who doesn't want you to talk about obesity Nobody is in great shape who fucking yeah goes to CrossFit every day. That's like hey obesity is not something We should discuss like come on of course especially people that have lost weight like guys like Ethan Suplee You know that guy yeah, it was like fucking enormous and now he looks great Like that guy did it the right way. Slow, hard work.

Did it the hard. I mean, a lot of people are aware of it. That's why Ozempic is almost impossible for people to get now. It's like. Ozempic? Yeah. It's a weight loss peptide that people are taking now. Hmm.

You never heard of it? I can't keep up with this shit. Yeah. It's a very popular weight loss drug that I know many people that are on it. I believe Elon Musk is on it. Tons of people are on it and it makes you lose weight. It like decreases your appetite. Do you change anything else or you just integrate? It kills your appetite. Okay. Yeah. And people who are on it, they get satisfied with food quicker.

So do they have to stay on it or does it make like a long-term change or like you're on the train and you're on the train for the rest of your life? I don't know. It's a good question. I've read both. I've read that some people, because of the fact that they do see positive results, want to maintain those positive results. And then they in turn will change their healthy habits because they like what they see yeah then i've also read that you have to be on it forever because people that are on it they're just going to go back to their old ways and you know i don't know i'm not exactly sure there's there's proponents and opponents of that of that stuff and uh one of the major opponents of it is my friend peter attia who I trust greatly on these kind of things.

He says it actually makes you thinner and lighter but fatter. You gain a higher percentage of body fat. That's a wild tradeoff. Yeah. I don't even understand how that works. Thinner and lighter but fatter. Yeah, he said that. I don't know what he means by that.

But I do know that people do lose not just muscle or not just fat rather they lose muscle connective tissue and bone mass when they lose the weight but i think that is also indicative of people who are losing the weight not eating and also not strength training i think if you strength trained you probably could mitigate a lot of that and then look i think anything that makes you fucking lighter and healthier is good and anything that if you're fat and that's what you need go for it this is what Peter said about it okay here he says uh what happens to your body composition ozempic may prompt equal muscle to fat loss says a tia meaning even though you see the number on the scale drop your fat to muscle percentage is skyrocketing an instagram story atia notes that some muscle loss is expected in weight loss patients,

but drugs like Ozempic can exacerbate the issue. Almost without exception, every patient we put on this drug has lost muscle mass, and they have lost it at a rate that alarms me, he says. If you lost 10 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of fat and go from 200 to 180, would that be good? Only if you're more than 50% body fat. Atiyah has drawn a line in the sand at his practice after observing these outcomes, telling patients they must have a DEXA scan first

to test their bone density and body composition before going on a Zempic. Well, that's very smart. Yeah, that sounds totally fair and reasonable. Yeah. But I think when people do diet hardcore, which I think is part of the reason why they're losing weight is because they're eating way less calories. Yeah. But I think when people do diet hardcore, which I think is part of the reason why they're losing weight is because they're eating way less calories. When you do that, it's like,

it doesn't have a whole, it's not an overall 100% positive effect on your body. It's not like only the fat goes away. You definitely lose muscle mass. Everybody does when they go on a hardcore diet. I think you should eat reasonably and try to choke a motherfucker as often as possible. That's a good way to lose weight. Holy shit. That's a good way to exercise too because it's fun. Physically and mentally. Yeah. Like if you enjoy shit that's hard and puzzles and again you want to try to turn yourself

incrementally into a machine. Yes. Not a bad approach. It's a good approach and it's an approach that's shockingly favored by so many really intelligent people. I love that Zuckerberg's doing it. I love it. I loved his match.

I thought it was awesome. It's great. Guy's out there. He's trained by Dave Camarillo. He's doing the right thing. He's out there getting after it. I love it. I think the fact that he went out to what appeared to be a local jiu-jitsu comp, slap and bump and get after it.

Good on you, man. It's awesome. Yeah. How big is he? Fucking good on you, man. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. How big is he? He probably is 150, 160. No, I would fuck that guy up. Yeah, I think you'd probably

fuck that guy up. What are you, a brown belt now? You would 100% fuck that guy up. Yeah. He could start off on top. Oh, don't be mean. Like, that's going to help. Like, he's going to be able

to maintain top position. That's hilarious. I think somebody in that sphere willing to be that, literally to help. I think he's going to be able to maintain top position. That's hilarious. I think somebody in that sphere willing to be that, literally that vulnerable. Yes. Physically vulnerable. Yes, yes. And just like, I'm going to go out on the public spectrum and do that.

I have nothing but respect for that. That's fucking awesome. He's a fascinating guy. Yeah. And he's very intellectually curious, and he's curious about testing himself. He loves competition. You think he'll stick with it?

Yes. Yeah, I think he's going to get really good at it. I hope so. Those are the kind of guys that get really good at it. Really smart guys. Like how many guys in your gym that are like really good, like not even very strong, like very small guys who are just very intelligent

and like Gabe Tuttle, the head instructor at 10th Planet. He's fucking amazing. He's like 155 pounds max, 150. And he's a fucking killer. they're savages it's and it's just intelligence and understanding the positions and drilling it and doing it over and over again and getting better and better and better and it's just such a healthy lifestyle but so is hiking so there's a lot of things there's a lot of things you can do that you'll enjoy that can get your body healthier. None of those things help you in a parking lot, though. That is true.

Not that I would recommend taking, I don't know if I'd go to the ground in the parking lot. That shit hurts. No, you got to learn a little striking. How much are you getting to train? I'm not right now. That's why I got this. I was ready to start rolling again and I fucked my back up deadlifting.

You're more no-gi than gi. Yeah, but I train at gi too. Has it always been that way for you i did both yeah i got my black belt through john jock my channel after i got my black belt through eddie profo i saw the video of you getting your black belt from eddie i was cool it's pretty intense yeah yeah it's pretty awesome yeah it gives you a great uh understanding i've told you this before on here like i had no no idea about the UFC until I started training myself. I'm like,

you know, it's not actually boring when they're up on the cage. No. Don't let that motherfucker up at all. No. He earned that. Stay down there. Get out of it.

Get out if you can. But also tough shit. Just stand up, you know? Yeah. If you want to. Yeah. If you can.

But I mean, but that's the thing. It's like, why if, if it's only five minutes, why are they having any stand-ups? The only people who say well, there is the entertainment aspect of it But I think anybody who's trained for any small section of time would say no you should probably leave them there

Because the micro battle that's going on down there. Yeah, it's fucking awesome And it's hard to get someone to the ground if you get some of the ground you're fucking exhausted and you can hold them there and catch a break for a few seconds if the audience is booing, tough shit. If that guy doesn't like it, get up. But the one thing that drives me crazy when I see someone on the bottom and I look at the referee like, come on. Like, come on.

No, get up. Don't try to con the referee. Figure out a way. Pummel. Get under. You know, fucking try to sweep them. Do something. Try to get your feet on the hips. Try to create some space. Get fucking try to sweep them. Do something. Try to get your feet on the hips.

Try to create some space. Get back up to your feet. Do something. What was your A game? I mean, I'm a strangulation specialist. That's what I like. I like head and arm chokes. Oh, you were telling me about this years ago that you like busted out a vertebrae in your

neck because you were pushing so hard. Yeah, I fucked up my neck from you were pushing so hard yeah i fucked up my neck from using it that's how i fucked it up from using it i'm sure i fucked it up from you know not tapping too so like head and arm triangle yeah i have a very good head and arm triangle for mount yes god i can't finish that i don't have the the right pressure for that it's a it's not even a pressure thing it's a it's a technique thing it's a technique thing. It's a squeeze thing. That's what I mean. I have yet to find the feel of where everything needs to be lined up so when you squeeze, it's just a noose you're not getting out of.

I had Gillian Robertson on, and she was talking about her squeeze, that her squeeze is so good she doesn't even go for hooks. She's just a back specialist. She gets that choke, and she doesn't even go fuck about hooks she just crushes girls necks she's such an assassin at it too and she just developed that squeeze she just developed it so she just has this total feat did you ever see her match with rose namajunas yes whoo amazing right yeah just took her back and and just never let it go it was beautiful and that squeeze she never hooks in then either.

Her fucking squeeze is nasty. And that was Marcelo. There's a lot of guys like that. They develop that squeeze, that next squeeze. But because I trained at 10th Planet, I developed a very good rubber guard too. Very flexible off my back. And that's one thing that's always frustrated me in the UFC, that people don't understand that you can control someone

from like a mission control position. They don't understand how to utilize a no-gi guard effectively. But then you got guys like Paul Craig that are fucking assassins off their back. That guy catches you in his triangle. You are fucked, man. Yeah. It's just a matter of like honing it down to this razor sharp. But when you do an MMA, the problem is there's so many different things you have to learn.

You have to learn takedown defense. You have to learn this. You have to learn that. It's hard to develop like an elite jujitsu game along with learning all those other things. Where would you start somebody? Wrestling. Wrestling. Wrestling. Wrestling. Wrestling. I think wrestling is the number one skill because if you can choose to take a fight to the ground

or not, if you're a superior wrestler, the person's always worried about being taken down. I think wrestlers have a massive advantage. But that said, an elite kickboxer has a massive advantage because every fight starts standing up. Yeah. And if you can't take him down, if he develops good takedown defense, he starts chopping away at those legs. Oof. What do those sound like in person? Horrible. Fuck.

Especially, dude, Weidman, first of all, congrats to Chris Weidman. He's coming back. He's going to be at 292 in Boston. He's going to be fighting again in August, which is amazing. But that was the worst sound I ever heard in the oct octagon when he threw that leg kick at Uriah Hall and Uriah checked it and Chris's Shinbone blow just snapped in half the crack of the sound like we played it back Just so you could hear the crack like as he threw the kick full blast and just hit the worst spot possible

right below the knee on the shin of uriah hall where it's just impotent it's just an immovable force and crack that's horrible no thanks fuck all that i've seen plenty of gnarly things in my days i have no interest to watch that shit yeah i've seen quite a few now i've seen quite a few leg breaks like that. You still loving doing the UFC? I love it. Yeah. It's exciting.

It's fun. I always look forward to it. You do a good job at it. Thank you. It's good. I care. You know? I really do.

If I didn't, I wouldn't do it anymore, but I love it. Why do you wear all black? I don't know. Sometimes I don't. I wore white before. What's with these questions? What are you, a chick? I watch you on TV, and I'm like, what the fuck is Joe wearing all black for?

They bought me a suit. All right. The suit's a black suit. Text me and be like, what the fuck are you doing wearing black? What's wrong with black? Well, first of all, it's good because I- I don't know, but you're always- Actually, you did wear a suit not too long ago.

Yeah, people bleed on me a lot and they sweat on me a lot. That's what I figured it was. Yeah, black doesn't show it up as much. Plus, it looks good. I figured Lex bought you a suit or something one day, and you're like, hey. Does that dude roll around in a suit all the time, or is that just his podcast? Just a joke, yeah. I like the joke.

Oh, you mean on his podcast. Yeah. You mean roll around. I thought you meant roll. Oh, no. He doesn't roll roll. He rolls. He's a black belt.

Yeah, no. Not in the suit is what I'm saying. No, but he probably would. Yeah, no. He just likes looking professional. I get it. He's looking good. I can't do it. I don't have it in me. Or acting professional. I just can't do can't do it i don't have it in me

or acting professional i just can't do it all right i gotta wrap this up my brother um tell everybody uh your new show it is called change agents uh and broadly it is trying to expose people to a variety of issues social economic political some of the people you've had on like i had sid harthon who was talking about coal mining. Holy fuck, that'll blow your socks off and make you reconsider how ethically conscious we are with the decisions that we make. I mean, it's everything from North Korea, digital slavery, kleptocracy. What happens to people who are disabled in war zones? Never had thought about that once until I had that individual on.

to people who are disabled in war zones never had thought about that once until i had that individual on uh but the coolest thing and the reason i agreed to do it is one produced by our good friend jack carr through uh ironclad the production company but we get to leave people with hey if you are disturbed by this or interested in this here's something you can do about it yeah which there's more issues than time in the day, unfortunately, but some people ring true with other issues and it at least exposes people and then like,

hey, if you want to do more, do more. Awesome. Yeah. All right. That's what it's all about. Well, thanks, brother.

Always good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too. All right. All right. Bye, everybody. music music music music