The Joe Rogan Experience - #1997 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and host of the podcast “Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.” www.cameronhanes.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Hello Cameron Haynes. God. Dude, this is the launch day. I'm nervous. Ah, shut the fuck up. I'm nervous.

How can you be nervous? You've run thousands of miles and you're a psycho. This is the collaboration that we did with Kill Cliff. It's out today. It's a spicy cherry. What's it called? It's called Elk Blood. Elk Blood. How sick is that? Cheers, sir.

Thank you. You too. How sick is that? Elk Blood. It's good too. We went over like, man, how many iterations did we go over? About 20. Yeah, there was a shitload we kept tweaking it and you know it's just like it's kind of the same thing that we did with the flaming joe you got to get it right takes a long time but those guys whatever they're doing that whatever fucking alchemy they're doing to make this stuff so delicious yeah this is good this

is really good and i just love that it's well first it says Cam Haines and Joe Rogan, elk blood. How sick's that? And it's CBD, so it's got 25 milligrams of CBD. And we're going to do an Ignite version as well. No sugar. Yeah, no sugar. It's got caffeine. How much caffeine does it have? 125. 125? That ain't shit, bro. We've been drinking those Black Rifle coffees. Those Black Rifle coffees will ruin you. They're so good. Have you had them?

They're good. Want one of them? I love them. We'll bust them out, too. A lot of sugar. Woo, there's so much sugar. Yeah, that's like- That's cheating.

I know. I was drinking that. I was like, holy shit, this thing is so good. And then I was like, what is going on here? Then I look and I'm like, oh, that's why. How many milligrams does it have of sugar? Google. Well, you just go grab a few for us.

Infinity. I love them. I love them. I'm going to drink one right now. I'm going to be a good boy. They are so good. I mean, if you're not hung up on sugar like I am. I'm hung up on it too.

Yeah. You should be. You really should be. But it's a wonderful treat occasionally. Yeah. If you reward yourself. So if you, say, if you run a 100 mil-miler, I'm like, I can have a good Black Rifle coffee ready to drink with some sugar. Well, you know Floyd Mayweather drinks Coca-Cola or Pepsi.

I forget which one. But he drinks soda, essentially, right after he works out sometimes. And I talked to a nutritionist. after he works out sometimes. And I talked to a nutritionist. He said, actually, like, post-rigorous exercise like that is actually a pretty effective way of dumping glucose back in your body. It sounds gross. Yeah.

You know, you work out. You're the best boxer of all time, you know, and you're fucking. These are the, not the 300s, though. I thought that's what you want, one of these? Yes. This is a real bad boy. I better have one, too. But yeah, no.

But these are fucking awesome, too, man. These have too much sugar as well. No, I know. They definitely all have too much sugar. Dan the Fitness Man came and trained with me one time, you know, Elkshape? Yeah. Dan Staten. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love his podcast. He's got great YouTube videos, too. He is good. I mean, he's just like- Seems like a great guy. He's a legit- He's just an elk hunter. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And just a good guy guy he's a legit he's just a elk hunter you know i mean and just a good guy who works his ass off yeah seems like it doesn't talk shit about a real good guy that makes me like that's a nice thing but people talk shit about you i know but he gave me one of these and that's where i was like wait a second i got a little why is this so good it's too good what is the milligrams of sugar? You can read this. I can't read this with a light this dim. Where is it? Does it say 16?

18. Total sugars, 18 grams. 18, yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's actually not too bad. Well, it's not compared to apple juice. Do you know how much fucking apple juice has in it?

Total sugars. My daughter pointed this out to me. This says 28. What's the matter? pointed this out to me. This says 28. What's the matter? It doesn't say 18? That says 28. It says 18, right? Oh, he has good eyes.

Yeah, this says 18. No, he has crazy vision, dude. He can see weird shit. I dropped my phone once when we were at Tihon Ranch. I dropped it on the ground, and his eye cracked. I go, where? And he's like, in the middle. I'm like, no way.

Really? And I'm like fucking doing this. He's like saw it from, I was holding it over here, and he saw it. Yeah, but you're three months older than me. Yeah, I'm older. In three months. My eyes are not as good. In three months, I'll be where you are.

No, no, no, no. You have weird vision. You really do. Like your vision is extraordinary. And I always wonder, I wonder if that's from so much time in the mountains. Because one of the things they say that's fucking with people's eyes

is we're constantly looking at short distances. And it's sort of distorting our eyes because of that. And that's why Andrew Huberman recommends looking at great distances for like a good period of the day. Like it's actually a good thing to do for your eyes. Well, you know what I, what I've always done still,

but I used to, I've talked about it a few times, but I will run at night and I never wear a light. Like I'll run on Pisgah, the mountain I run and never have a head. Are you trying to get eaten? What are you doing? Well,

I'm not worried about that, but don't people get eaten up there in my head? No, but in my, come on, didn't someone, didn't someone, I don't think. Don't people get eaten up there? In my head, no. Come on. Didn't someone in Oregon recently get eaten? Not that I know of. There was two people last year that got got got on the Pacific Northwest.

In Alberta, a woman was killed by a black bear last year. Yeah, I heard about that one. But wasn't there a couple people that were killed by mountain lions last year? A 2018 broken neck puncture wounds by a cougar broken neck from a cougar imagine that motherfucker grabbing your neck speaking of my neck look at this what's going on look at this boy look at the bling you're gonna see each bling i've only had this on this is second time oh my god are you hanging out with rappers i know what's What's going on? I'm celebrating my JRE appearance. So that was the whole reason why I wore it, just to do that right there. That's adorable.

Scooby the Jeweler made that for me, and he hand-delivered it. That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Well, that's when you can wear bling, when someone gives it to you. What I was going to say was— It's cool. If you went out and bought that for yourself, it's a little questionable.

Right? Unless you're a Machine Gun Kelly for yourself, it's a little questionable. Right? Unless you're like a Machine Gun Kelly type person. A very flamboyant... Like a rapper or some rock star. You should get one and rock it hard. No, my vision... I wear old man shoes. People make fun of my shoes.

I know. You should be wearing these fuckers. I would wear those. But listen. So my vision is the bling with a bear skin jacket. I like it. A bear that you killed. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's got to shut the fuck up if you actually killed the bear. Yeah. I ate him too. We ate his pepperoni. Dude, we're eating bear pepperoni. It's delicious.

It's very, very good. So good. Shout out to whoever processed that for you. Whatever butcher did that for you. This is in Cottage Grove, Oregon, and Gates. Yeah. Gates Family Tradition Meats. There's a bunch of those folks out there that are, it's like they're the unsung heroes of the wild game world.

That is so good, and that's bear. And people are like, oh, you can eat bear? Summer sausage. I've had bear summer sausage. It was delicious. And people are like, oh, you can eat bear? Summer sausage. I've had bear summer sausage.

It was delicious. You know who's the best for talking about all this stuff? Because, you know, Jesse Griffiths, the guy who's the chef of Dai Due? It's a restaurant here in Austin. And I actually heard him on Steve's podcast, Ronellis, Meat Eater podcast, before I met him. So I'd heard him there, and then I had him on as a guest. Fucking super interesting guy. But he's the best at taking wild game and making it insanely delicious. He's just because he's an excellent chef and he loves food and he loves hunting.

Yeah. And he teaches courses or he takes people out hunting. What is his school called again? The New School of Traditional Cookery. New School of Traditional Cookery. So he takes people and he'll hunt hogs with them. He'll teach them how to shoot a hog, how to butcher it, and then he teaches them how to cook it.

And the guy is a fucking unsung hero in the world of like taking wild game and making it just the most extraordinary dish you've ever had we had duck diver duck diver duck supposed to be gross yeah that's what everybody says right because diver ducks eat whatever the fuck is on the bottom of the ocean or the bottom of the lake rather yeah well most people don't like the way they taste but he had this way of marinating them i don't want want to say to his process because I don't really totally remember it. I don't want to fuck it up. But the result was fucking insane. It was so good. No one could stop eating it.

It was so good. Well, I mean, imagine what he could do with bear. If he did that magic with duck. What Jen Rivett can do with bear. She makes those bear roasts in the Traeger and cooks them for like fucking 16 hours. I wanted to bring, so I had that ham. I sent you a picture of, cause my, my goal was, I thought, oh, maybe we can cook this. Cause I thought you were going to have a Traeger here at the studio. We did. We do actually,

it's just not hooked up through the ceiling yet. Right. I remember. So I'm like, oh, we could marinate this thing. And so I had Jen send me her marinating recipe. You know, it's got brown sugar. It's got all the shit in it. Of course. Pineapples. Yeah. They know how to make shit delicious. So Trace did all that.

But, of course, we don't have a Traeger. So I'm like, well, I'll bring some bear pepperoni. Perfect. I was asking because everybody, they're so concerned about trichinosis. You know, I mean, Steve Vernella made everybody nervous about it because they got sick he got sick after he warned everybody forever it's the craziest thing it's almost like he wanted to get it yeah he manifested it because he always said that he wanted to get scratched by a grizzly just scratched he just wanted to fuck a tattoo sounds good i want claws across the chest you know but i think then he had that encounter on Fog Neck Island where they got rushed by an 11-foot brown bear

Right, and he goes all that shiz out the window fuck that had to come to Jesus moment I'm not percent come to Jesus. Yeah an 11-foot bear that's claimed an elk that you shot and you don't know about it And you're eating lunch sitting around in his territory. You're so relaxed've let your guard down you're just like hey we're good well what i was going to say was so i asked gates uh tanners he's a young kid just kicking ass does such a great job with cut with your wild game meat but i said what's the process for making pepperoni because people are nervous about cooking and trichinosis so they put it in like a smoker type oven and it's at 160 for an hour, 165 for an hour, 155 for an hour, and then 145 for five hours. So it's seven hours of cooking. Oh, wow. Yeah. And so there's no worry. No worry of trichinosis. Right. And it

just tastes amazing. It's got that little, I go, I said, does it have a little pop to it when you eat it? You know, like you bite into it, a little pop on the shell out here. He's like, oh, yeah, it's got the pop, and it does. And everybody here who tried it, everybody I've given it to, I took some to my old work yesterday. Everybody loves it. It's good. What's weird is, and this is a little known fact

when the settlers were making their way across america they would kill bear for meat and they would kill deer for the hides and that was their preferred food was bear right because it was closer to beef and when they named like a dollar bill is a buck because a buck that's what a buckskin was it was a dollar oh i didn't know that's why yeah that's where that term came from yeah i learned so much on this podcast i've got a lot of useless information bouncing around in my head but that's a fascinating one like i wonder what shifted where they stopped eating bear then all of a sudden bear became a teddy bear and bear became your friend and bear became yogi and bear became only you can prevent forest fires all of a sudden the bear is just like this weird anthropomorphized version of what you

experience when you're out there in the woods right and what anybody experiences and what you know when people get rushed by bear i don't know if you've seen the video of these guys that are on a dirt bike and uh this guy wipes out in front of a bear's den i saw that thing comes boiling out of there intense oh my god pull that up jamie we have to see it because it's so scary they're they're so scary do we have a pull it up jamie shirt i think jamie has one oh good jamie you have pulled up jamie shirts, right? I think so. Is it on Pull it up Jamie.com? Young Jamie.com?

It should have been on that one. It should be on Pull it up Jamie.com, these fucking scoundrels. There's a link on that website. Oh, thanks, Eric. Your merch, dude. You got to get your merch going. Young Jamie.com. Look at this video.

If that guy didn't rev the engine, who knows what that bear would have done to them. God. That dude. Oh, my God. Very smart, revving that engine. I know. Very smart. Oh, man.

That is a very, very smart move. Whoever that guy who did that, that guy probably saved their lives. Yeah. Those things. Holy fucking shit, those things are terrifying. Yeah, they are. They're monsters. They are the killers of their lives. Yeah. Holy fucking shit, those things are terrifying. Yeah, they are. They're monsters. They are the killers of the forest.

Yeah. That's all they do. Hey, you know what? This is a point. So you had the Alaska Bone people up. And remember that video where they had the brown bear and the muskox? You watched that, right? Yes.

Killing the calves. Yeah. So I just had a study sent to me, but they had a radio caller. Maybe you guys talked about this. I can't, I can't remember, but radio caller on, on Brett, on Grizzlies up there. And it was, uh, they were killed, they killed seven bear and the camera's going off every 10 or 15 minutes. And this was during calving season or, or like caribou uh calves but um they they killed um i'm gonna pull it up right here just so i have the exact number just because people don't won't even probably believe it but they killed so video camera footage of these seven brown bears showed

that they killed approximately 238 moose and caribou calves across the 45 days that's an average of about 34 moose and caribou calves per bear holy shit in 45 days 238 so that was seven bear just killing so this is what is always weird to me we have these things that are in our head like acceptable narratives of animals that you're allowed to kill. Like, you're allowed to kill fish. People fish. People don't freak out about it. You're allowed to kill birds.

But when you get into certain animals, and I really do think it has something to do with, like, Disney movies. I really do. Has to. Has to. Because it's in our head as a kid that bears are cool. Well, and you go to the zoo, you see a bear.

Yeah, they're cool. It's not doing shit. It's just laying there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Exactly. And then you see it, that reinforced on the movies or the shows. And then.

And you see circus bears. Right. And they're harmless. Yeah. And you're like, why would somebody want to kill one of these things? But then you go into the wild and you see, like, where I was just, we were bear hunting last week in Alberta. These bear come in and it was, it was funny because the sows would come in and they would just be growling, biting,

doing the alarm call, getting all puffed up. And I'm like, they live with each other every single day, all year. Why are you so pissed off? I mean, it's like, why would you be so mad at somebody you live with every day? Right. But they're just, they are just so competitive. And then the males come in and his breeding season. And then the boar I killed came in and it was, it was pretty fascinating because you wouldn't even see him. And the bear would all be looking up the other bear, the smaller bear, the smaller boars or the s sows they'd be looking towards where he's coming and then he'd show up and so it was it was pretty cool because i i remember back the day before i saw a sow and she was like walking and like kind of doing like this like really hard steps and i'm like

are they picking up vibration from the walking and so she's trying to sound bigger like this because then i because i put it together when the boar i killed giant boar he was coming before they could see him they were looking and getting startled running up trees and i'm like are they feeling that vibration of a heavy animal heavier animal coming wow a bigger boar They have that much sensitivity. I think I bet it makes sense because I saw the smaller salad like trying to stomp mmm, and I'm like It just makes sense that that what was going on because they would knew that

They knew that the bear I killed was coming long before they could see him. Mmm So a bear the size of the bear you killed is like a tyrant. Yeah. He kills all the babies. He kills whatever he can get a hold of. He kills younger bears. They cannibalize. Right.

That's what's... If aside. Yeah, there's so much of that. And cannibalize. Right. If a bear gets shot by a hunter and you get to it, there's a possibility that other bears are eating it already. Right.

Yeah, that happens. A real good possibility. That happens often. It happens often. If you have to leave it overnight, there's a chance it's going to be eaten. Which is fucking wild. But that's the world. It's not a world of yogi.

No. And this is a crazy idea of this animal that people have which is make what makes people take selfies with them and do all this crazy shit that they do it like yellowstone those wackadoos that get in front of bison it's like we have these ideas about what these things are that's based on a bullshit version of them including the yellowstone version when we were in yellowstone you could hang out 10 feet from an elk. They're just right there. They don't worry about people at all. They're hanging out in the visitor center.

They're laying down in front of everybody. That was probably not September then because they weren't rutting. No, they weren't rutting. Summer? No, no. It was the summertime. But it was still, it was totally alien behavior. Right.

Like completely domesticated. Yeah. And just imagine what it was like when they reintroduced wolves into that area. Oh God. Bloodbath. Because this is the animal that you're dealing. You're forcing an animal to be reintegrated with the most ferocious death. Right.

So you think there's too many of them. You think it's imbalanced. You think they shouldn't have killed off the wolves. Okay. Well, now what? Now you're just going to all these cute elk that have been hanging out at the visitor center are just going to get butchered. Yeah. And they don't know what the fuck a wolf is.

Right. They've had generation after generation after generation. No wolves. Yeah. They're like, no wolves. Great. We're just out here hanging out. No occasional mountain lion, whatever, whatever. But an occasional mountain lion is nothing like a, no wolves. Great. We're just out here hanging out. No occasional mountain lion, whatever, whatever.

But an occasional mountain lion is nothing like a pack of wolves. No. No. A pack of wolves makes a whole lot more wolves and they all stay together and they hunt together. They got a process for killing. They got it down. They got it down. They got some sort of telepathy or something going on.

You've seen where they communicate where one wolf will tire out the next wolf will fill in like a little relay team wearing out one animal, you know, the prey animal. And it's, uh, yeah, they're just, they'll wipe stuff out just like the brown bear and those, you know, those seven brown bear, they're just, they're born to kill. They don't know when to stop, you know? So it's not, I saw somebody said on my page i said well wouldn't they kill and just sit come back and just eat eat off that for later and you know live off that one kill i'm like what what are you talking about they go on rampages no you you flip that switch on yeah they're killing everything yeah they're not like native americans they only want to like kill what

i'm using every piece of this animal yeah no, no, they're not like that. They don't have any They don't have any idea of conservationism that their idea is to just kill everything that's in front of them and there was a What was it recently? There was a crazy one where this pack of wolves killed like an enormous number of elk It was like 18 elk something crazy. Yeah. Just went on a rampage. I remember seeing that. Yeah. Just, I don't know what happened or how they got so many of them, but. It happens with livestock all the time. Yeah. Well, can you see if you can find it? It was like surplus killing. I believe it was in Wyoming, if I remember correctly. But they were shocked. They were like, Jesus, they just killed them. Yeah. They weren't even eating them. Right.

They just went on a rampage. They weren't hungry. I mean, that's Jesus, they just killed them. Yeah. They weren't even eating them. Right. They just went on a rampage. They weren't hungry. I mean, that's what they're born to do. Yeah. Wolf Pack slaughters 19 elk in rare surplus killing. So this is in 2016. It's not rare, though. I mean, so even that word, rare.

Yeah. Who's saying rare? Well, I think it's rare they get that many. Oh, probably. I wonder what the circumstances were where they could kill that many. Yeah. There's a photo of all the elk lined up. That was right above.

It's horrible. Yeah. Look at that. That's crazy. Yeah. I'm not convinced that it's rare. I think it's rare that we find out about it. How many wolves did that?

That's what I want to know. I don't know. I want to know how many wolves. If there was 19. What, you got 50 wolves up there? You got 100 wolves like are there fucking super packs up there that we don't know about i don't i they have a good accounting of how many wolves are up there oh it says nine wolves nine wolves yeah i was gonna say i don't think it would take that many to do that that's incredible because those are all see it's 17 calves so that's that's kind of the point with

that muskox video is those were calves they don't they can't run and two adults's 17 calves. So that's kind of the point with that muskox video is those were calves. They can't run. And two adults. Yeah, 17 calves and two adults. Wow. I mean, they can't run like a full-grown muskox or elk or anything else. So they're pretty much just ripe for the picking. Even black bear will follow elk around when they know it's calving season. Right when the calf is born,

they'll kill it. Look, Lund also described the kill to CNN as sport killing, although the consensus among biologists and wildlife officials is that wolves do not hunt for sport, but sometimes kill more than they can eat at one point, especially in winter when frigid temperatures preserve the killed prey for later consumption. You know what I bet, though? I bet they can't help themselves when they see calves. No. That's what I'm saying.

The switch is on. Yeah, it's like a kitten with a ball of yarn. Roll a ball of yarn in front of a kitten. Rawr. If they see babies, like baby moose, baby deer, baby elk, like fuck. Time to kill. Time to kill. You don't get a chance chance they're babies for a short

amount of time you got to get them now somebody else said that too that they didn't know animals killed just for the fun of it i'm like you ever seen a house cat bro house cats kill literally billions of animals a year yeah we're feral cats really it. Mostly outdoor cats. I mean, it's all, I bet a lot of the killing is done by actual feral cats. But a lot of it is done by people's pets. You've seen pets that bring back a bird or a mouse and just lay it down there. Oh, yeah. I had a cat. She was the sweetest, fluffiest thing.

And she would bring back a bird like she did some awesome thing. She wanted me to see it. And she's just a ball of love at any other time. Unless she saw a fucking, she saw a bird. It's natural instinct. A mouse death. Death. Natural.

You know. They play with them. You know what's weird is like, so Marshall. Yeah. You see dogs. They see a squirrel outside. They're automatically in hunt mode. I don't know if, is Marshall?

Oh, dude. He killed two last week. Right. He's been on a rampage. So now it's fucked up. The nicest, fluffiest, sweetest dog. A bundle of love. He's all love, but he wants to fuck up squirrels.

And also turtles. So we have to protect the turtles from him now. So now I have to wander around my fucking yard looking for turtles. He kills them. He kills them. Yeah. He fucked one of He kills them. Yeah. He fucked one of his teeth up biting the shit out of this turtle shell. I'm like, bro, what are you doing?

Where's the real Marshall? Where's my buddy? Does he try to get their- He's trying to kill them. They go in. Does he just crush a whole shell? He's trying to fucking chew at them while they're in there. Man, Marshall.

Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah. It was horrible. He's done it to a couple of them now. So now when we go outside, we have to look for turtles first. Right. Because they come up to try to lay their eggs. Oh.

Yeah. So, I mean, it's just animal instinct. It's just animal instinct. And it's a sad one. Because it's like, I think turtles are cool. I don't want the turtle babies to get fucked up on my dog. I remember, I'm i kind of i think turtles are cool you know i don't want the turtle babies to get fucked up on my dog i remember i'm still kind of traumatized by this i was driving back from scouting for elk and driving along this mohawk river road and a turtle was crossing the

road i didn't and i hit it with the just ran over it and the sound. Oh, and I was just like, it was haunting. Like popping a turtle in my truck. I was just like, and I still, that was 30 years ago. This is why I think we have this relationship with turtles. Cause they've never done anything to us. The worst thing that's ever happened to us. Yeah. But only if you fuck with them, they don't come for you.

I think they evolved because they evolved with people in Florida. That's my theory. People in Florida are fucking with them and they just developed the ability to bite them. That's my theory.

That's my theory. I'll go with that. Aren't they snapping turtles in Florida mostly? It's probably a shitty theory. But the point is like turtles don't fuck with people. No.

You can get diseases from them though. If you have them as pets you have to be real careful. They can give you diseases. I had a turtle. A turtle of pretty low maintenance as a pet. Like I had a little tiny one when I was a kid.

I had a few of them. Really? And they will fuck up some goldfish. Yeah. Let me tell you something. Whoa, look at the size of that thing. See, that would kill- That's a snapping turtle?

That looks like Yoda. That would kill somebody. That would bite your fucking hand right off your wrist. Yeah, it would. Snap. Look at that monster. See, that one's- Look at the scales on that thing.

Oh, my God. That thing's coming for Marshall. That thing doesn't even look like a real thing. I don't think they hunt. But my dog's so dumb, he'd probably try to bite it. Oh, my God. That's his its eyeball look at his nose his nose looks like that looks like something right out of doom there are pig nose turtles yeah i don't know but what is the biggest snapping turtle

is there because i think there's a few different species i think there's isn't there one called an alligator snapping turtle look at that thing it's 70 pounds fuck 70 pound turtle with a mouth from hell look at that mouth if that was in this one of those yeah that hell bound movies hell razor movies mm-hmm if that was like one of the demons you'd be like yeah I buy that it's fucked up ma was staring at you in a maw, while it's staring at you in a dark hallway. Oh man. While it's wearing like a leather corset. That's pretty intense.

Wouldn't you think? Yeah. That looks like a demon. Oh. That totally looks like a demon. That does. That's what orcs look like, right? Yeah, that looks like, I was just gonna say Lord of the Rings.

They could make a movie with that thing. That totally looks like it belongs in Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Oh my god. Look at that fucking face. Look at its eyes. Jesus Christ, those eyes are evil as fuck. I'm glad I didn't hit that with my truck.

Dude, there's something about reptile eyes that scare the shit out of you. Yeah, you know, so... Look at those eyeballs. They say, like, with snakes, if their eyes are, like, a slit, like, like, like, yeah, like, slit, or if they're round, the snake's fine. Not poisonous, not dangerous. If they're slits, poisonous. Really? The problem is you've got to get that close to see their eyes.

Oh, dude. So, like, you said your eyes aren't very good. My eyes aren't very good. I'm not going to be able to tell. You take one right in the face. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ. A friend of mine sent me videos of her garage. She's like, are these bad?

And there's two fucking coral snakes making their way through the garage. I'm like, those are real bad. Those are real bad. Right. Yeah, don't fuck with them. Those are nasty snakes. Because coral snakes are weird because they don't have the head. Like when you see the head of a rattlesnake, you see that diamond-shaped head, you're like, oh, that thing's poisonous.

Well, and it's pretty clear that, I mean, they're pissed, their tail's going off, they look fucking mean, big fangs. You're like, okay. There's some consequences involved in getting close to me. Yeah, and it's very evident. Yeah, very evident. They don't want to die. Right. That's all it is.

They don't want to die. And if they think you're going to get too close and you're trying to grab them, time to get bit. Yeah. But coral snakes, they look beautiful. They're gorgeous. Have you seen them in person? I don't think so, no. They have them out here, man.

They're fucking beautiful. They're just like multicolored. Look how cool they look. Yeah, those do look cool. But you look at the head, it's not that fucking triangular thing that you're scared of. But look, that that eyes round though Oh, there goes my there's a slit though. There's a slit up and down See the up and down slit

Yeah, kind of hard to tell because there's a reflection in it, but what a fucking beautiful snake no god They're so cool. Look at that. That's so gorgeous What is it about like nature and creating some animals that are just extraordinarily beautiful? God, see, those— And then pigs. I know. Pigs get the short end of the stick. My eye theory is thrown out the window, though, so scratch that.

Did I tell you what my agent said to me? What? My agent loves animals. She's a wonderful lady. She loves animals. She goes, but you can hunt pigs because they're ugly.

Okay. I was like, Jesus Christ. See, that's a problem. That's discrimination. It is. In the animal kingdom, nobody wants you

to hunt a tiger. They're gorgeous. The beard is not off, but it's... Oh. Thin black vertical pupils. Yeah. So you got to...

Okay. So it's an up and down? Hmm. Yeah. Mm. So you got to see. Okay. So it's up and down. Hmm. Huh. That's the pupil. You got to even see the pupil. So you got to see the pupil. That's the problem.

Oh, you can't get that close. You can't get that close. They've been taking drugs. You can't get that close. Yeah. If you get that close, you fucked up. Right. So you should be backing up.

That's what you should be doing. I was right, but this is going to be tough to find out. I ran over a rattlesnake once, and I didn't know it was a rattlesnake until I was mid-leap over it. It was in the middle of the road. My dogs ran over it, too. Oh, God. We were running in the, you know, my old house. Yes.

The canyon. Yeah, that trail. So we're running down that trail, and we run over this thing that looks like, you know, like a house. The canyon. Yeah, that trail. So we're running down that trail and we run over this thing that looks like, like, you know, like a branch in the road. Yeah. Like a kind of thick branch in the road. And as I'm over it, I realize it's a fucking huge rattlesnake.

Oh, man. And I have two pit bulls with me. And they've been bit a bunch of times. Really? By rattlesnakes? They don't give a fuck. So what happens? They go, you got to take them to the fucking hospital. They have to get anti-venomnakes? They don't give a fuck. So what happens? You gotta take them

to the fucking hospital and they have to get anti-venom. Their head swells up like a balloon and they're sick for a few days and then they bounce out of it. But they can, it's funny,

he got bit, my dog Frank, he was my craziest dog. He like, his day would be spent, we had a big yard and his day would be spent looking for lizards.

Just trying to catch lizards fucking up. So he was like playing a video game outside. Like that was his thing. Just like whatever is moving, I'm trying to get you. And so when I would run with him, I would run with him, but I would always have to like stay close to him. Because just in case like a raccoon was there or something, because he'd 100% jump on it. Yeah, be a bloodbath. If he saw that rattlesnake so i had to say okay i am just going to run and keep running because the whole

trail is like another mile in this direction and then come back and that rattlesnake had to know we just ran over right so he's gonna hide hopefully they don't find it because i'm tired and you know the back end of that is uphill yeah and the dogs remember that. And the dogs are not as tired as me. Pretty steep. The dogs are way better at running than me. It's always slow down, slow down, slow down, guys. They can pull you though, like water skiing. Yeah, but I don't have them on a leash.

Oh, I see. Yeah. I don't like to run with dogs on a leash. I like them to be free. Right. Like Marshall's the best because you don't have to worry about him. He stays right with you? Oh, yeah.

He always comes and checks on you too. Oh, back and forth. He's like, everything good, Dad? Yeah. He's the best because you don't have to worry about him. He stays right with you? Oh yeah. He always comes and checks on you too. He'll get ahead of you and then come back. Everything good dad? He's the best. He's the best with that. He's amazing. He's a fun dog but not if you're a squirrel. Yeah. Not if you're a squirrel. He's death. He's beautiful death. He's beautiful. Imagine being a squirrel and being killed by the

most lovely looking creature you could imagine. I think didn't see here's why I was nervous coming on, because that reminded me of Theo Vaughn said something about like Suzanne Somers. That's got, that got you guys. What about Suzanne Somers? I think like a golden retriever running like with flowing hair. Oh, right.

Her hair was like that. Yeah. So then that got you guys under Thighmaster. But anyway, so yeah, like Marshall, Suzanne Somers running towards you is what I envisioned. Yeah, but trying to eat you out of your shell. Like what the fuck?

Oh, but the point was I'm pretty nervous because I'm like, how can, I can't follow up Theo Vaughn who- There's been a couple

of people on since Theo, right? Yeah, so you're all right. Don't worry. And then before that, it was Jelly Roll who like,

I feel like this podcast, your platform is made for people like Jelly Roll because it's like. But you do. It's made for everybody. No. I don't fucking know. That's why you're here. He's like this incredible talent that like everybody should know about. Right.

But hasn't until lately. Right. And so to me, I'm like, this is why you created this thing. right and so to me i'm like this is why you created this thing you know to to have people that deserve just have this immense ability and deserve to have a spotlight shown on them yeah but that's not why i created it i created it just to do it i know it was fun but along the way it became that but it also has to be everybody else that i want to talk to too all inclusive yeah you're inclusive and everybody everybody it's Everybody. It's like, I don't, you know, I know it's a platform,

but I don't think of it like that. I just think of it as like, who do I want to talk to? You know? That guy's awesome. Jelly Roll is awesome. He's a great story too. Fucked up as 15-year-old, gets arrested, all this time in prison, comes out and he's got the

voice of an angel. Oh, I mean, I'm addicted to his... And he's got the voice of an angel oh i i mean i'm addicted to his and he's a great guy to his his music oh his music is amazing because that's real it's like you know you feel that soul or that life experience not tragedy but it's like it's like there's so much emotion in it yeah you can't you can't fake that kind of authenticity like what that guy is is authentic yeah you know that uh that need a favor i i only talk to god when i need a favor so play some of that for me jamie play some of that for me because this motherfucker can sing yeah when they discovered him like when you see that guy with tattoos on his face and he looks like a thug. God damn.

Listen to this. If I only talk to God when I need a favor god i need a face i know amazing grace but i ain't been living them worse swear i spend more sundays drunk off my ass than i have in church have in church. Hardcover King James only been saving dust on the nightstand. And I don't know what to say by the time I fold my hands.

I only talk to God when I need a favor. And I only pray when I ain't got a prayer. So who the hell am I? Who the hell am I to expect a Savior? God damn, that guy's good. I mean, to me, the reason that song... Goosebumps. I think most people can relate to that also voice to this real you got the raspy it's like that's real that's a real dude like there's some people that just have a real voice when they sing

you just go like god damn yeah there's just no no denying that talent that the story it's like a storytelling attribute the voice itself yeah and then how he delivers it and then on top of it is the lyrics yeah so you you put that all together and you get something magic like jelly roll and like i think a lot of people can identify, like nobody's praying when things are going great or not nobody, but most people don't. They're like, if God, please just give me another chance when something fucks up. Yeah. You know, it's not when it's going great. Always. When you're injured, you always appreciate being healthy. When you're sick, you always appreciate being healthy. And it's just like, oh, I took it for granted.

God, I'll never take it for granted again. I've this yeah you know i know that's why those that song is so powerful to me because that's me yeah it's everybody it's every human being it's human nature it's just but that that kind of guy i mean you gotta cherish those kind of people they're that's a it's a rare diamond that's created by that kind of pressure. Yeah. It makes that kind of a person. It was months ago, I kept watching his video. There's one he had, it's called Son of a Sinner, but then he had another one. Now, for some reason, I can't even remember what it is, but I watched the video so many times and I'm like, this guy is amazing. It was before Need a Favor. It was Save Me. Save Me. I watched this video so many...

Have you seen this video? Yeah, I've seen it. Save Me. It's incredible. Same thing. Yeah, it's incredible. And it's just, I was like, this guy is fucking amazing. Yeah, he's a freak talent.

Yeah, look at this. And this dude was, you know... Dude was in jail, you know? I mean, look at... I can see pain in his eyes this is what made him right this song i think this video too i mean can't can't you see pain in his eyes yeah somebody save me me from myself has been so long living in hell

They say my lifestyle is bad for my health It's the only thing that seems to help. All of this drinking and smoking is hopeless, but feel like it's all that I need. Something inside of me is broken. I hold on to anything that sets me free. I'm a lost cause. Baby, don't waste your time on me. I'm so damaged beyond repair. Life has shattered my hopes and my dreams. I'm a lost cause. Baby, don't waste your time on me.

I'm so damaged beyond repair. Life has shattered my hopes and my dreams. Damn. Whew. So does everybody put themselves in that story? Yeah, I think everybody does. I think that's the beautiful thing about a great songwriter and a great singer. There's something about someone who writes their own songs, too.

There's something about when you're trusting them with your thoughts. It's like you're riding along on the song, on the lyrics, on the music, and you're thinking with them. They're taking you on it. I think when you watch something that's very entertaining, one of the things that happens is you give in to it, where you're letting it create experiences you're letting it interact with your mind and i think someone has a song that has just that real pain that's coming

through it there's something about the way that interacts with your mind it's like this weird communal thing that happens to people that are listening to it that's why people love to go to a concert and everyone sing along to the same song together. People love doing that. They love doing that. Music is magic. It's magic stuff. To me, when I think of that, I think of church, when I think of those experiences like you just said, because in church, that's kind of the magic of church. You sing the hymns. Did you ever see the video of a Biden in the black church? Oh my God. Okay. okay except for him yeah you ever see it he he wasn't really in that in that moment was he he was in his own moment it was amazing i

mean i think he had you know it was a shitty diaper moment he didn't know what to do he didn't know what to do and supposedly he grew up in a black church of course he did yeah in the in the 1800s it was it was uh he actually helped the Mongols conquer China. Like, he's fucking... What is he talking about? I don't know. Grew up at a black church. Yeah, I mean...

Watch him dance. It's amazing. I mean, maybe he had a bad back that day. But he's not even, like, moving... He's not even moving his fingers. I mean, that's kind of crazy I mean how can you not feel that music You know

That's kind of crazy It is Are presidents allowed to fucking get into it Obama would I would love Obama would have 100% Obama would have had a great time And everybody would have enjoyed it You see Obama Trump would have tried He would have did a little clapping Obama would have. 100% Obama would have had a great time and everybody would have enjoyed it.

You see Obama. Trump would have tried. He would have did a little clapping. Obama would have. He would have done a little something. He could fit in with whoever he was around. Like if he met athletes, he'd be like, you know, like the half hug shit. You know, it's like an athlete would do another athlete, you know, the bro hug. He would definitely be in there.

What do you got? You got a Trump one? Is there Trump at a black church? There is a Trump. There must be Trump at a black church. Let me see him dancing around. You can see him here. Hold on.

Oh, he's talking. Is there any of him dancing? There was a time. The screenshot shows more than that is. Oh, there he goes. He's moving a little bit. Okay. Look at that.

He's grooving. Look at him go. That's Michelle Obama right there, isn't it? No. No, that's not Michelle Obama. It looks kind of like her. It does look a little like her. Is that Omarosa?

It might be Omarosa. That's who it is. Oh, that's who it is. That's who it is. I knew I recognized her. You knew you recognized her. You know, Omarosa was on Fear Factor. No.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. How'd she do? I don't remember. I don't remember. I think she did okay. But I was like, this is an ambitious lady.

Yeah, she had goals. A lot of horsepower behind those thoughts. A lot of goals, yeah. Yeah, a lot of fucking... Didn't they... A lot of belief in herself. That turned into like a... Yeah, there she is.

Bam. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Yeah. Look at you. Cargo pants. Jeez, dude, the cargo pants. This is looking slick, right?

I like that look. I have never in my life had good fashion. Never. Those cargo pants were dominating that picture. I've always been a mess. But, yeah, what I was going to say was, yeah, like you, I listened to to me and I don't know if because maybe I'm tortured in some weird way, but I put myself and I'm like, maybe I can identify with this. I'm I'm I feel like a lost cause most or especially when I was growing up, felt like a lost cause. So is that what people do? They put themselves in that. And you think about like what it would be like to be that person too because I think we all do that Like we wish with that person who's like the movie star That's like being the hero in the movie we put ourselves like when the movie star wins like we kind of win

You know that's kind of what goes so when you hear a song even though you know it's not about you, you know, like Okay, like bad company Remember that song shooting star. Yeah, I love that song. Love that song. When I was a kid in high school, everybody thought they were that guy. They listened to that song, and even if they didn't fucking play in a band, somewhere in their head. Oh, listen to this.

This is a song, when you're a kid and you listen to this, you're like, holy shit. This is a song, when you're a rock and roll outfit and everything's alright. Don't you know? Every kid wants to be this guy. Hey mama, I'm going away. Love that song too. But we were the same age.

Yeah, but I'm three months older than you Trust me I know things All of it It's just like Yeah, but doesn't it take a turn? It's bad. It takes a turn. This is the part I like. No, because he proved everybody wrong.

He got to number one. But he didn't. He didn't prove anybody wrong. That's the problem with the story. But he got to number one. No, he didn't have to prove anybody wrong. Because he was a kid. Yeah.

He was just a wizard. Right. He was just a wizard. Right. Johnny's just a wizard who got instant pussy and hot rods. Yeah. The whole story makes no sense. He's leaving his mom's house to be a fucking superstar? Give me some volume. I made the big time at last.

Let's see the lyrics again. The story makes no sense. That's why it's great for the 1980s when I was in high school. Yeah. Nobody knew what the fuck was going on. He dies, right? Yes, he dies. This is where it goes sad.

Now, me But all the world will love you just as long, as long as you are. Now, me, as being a person that's always worried about danger and, like, fucking things up, I'm always worried about that. My favorite part is the end. My favorite part of this song is the end. What do you mean you're worried about danger? I'm always, Like, ever since I was a kid, I was like, concerned with things that are dangerous. Like, don't get stupid. Like, don't go to that party.

Don't do this. Like, always, like, hey, this thing all could go sideways, kids. Really? People are nuts. Yeah. This song is ten minutes long? Yeah, bro. That's what they did back then. Because they told stories, son. They did.

They told stories. How many tapes did you need for that? I know, but you listen to Borderline, Madonna. That's like two fucking songs. Yeah. Now songs are two minutes. This is the best part right here. Yeah.

Johnny died one night. Died in his bed Pile of whiskey Sleeping tablets by his head Johnny's life passed him by Like a warm summer day If you listen to the wind You can still hear him play So for every young kid that I grew up with, the romantic notion of dying young as a rock star that everyone's going to miss

for some stupid reason. That's awesome. That was what everybody wanted. That's Jim Morrison. Everybody wanted to be Jim Morrison. Everybody wanted to be Jim Morrison when I was a kid. Mac Miller. Yeah.

All the geniuses die early. Well, they all died at 27. Yeah, 27. Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain. What's that? Amy Winehouse. Yes. Same age.

I know. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. She was 27 as well, right? I think so, yeah. That's nuts. But I mentioned Madonna's long song. That reminded me of another thought.

Could you ever see a time when Madonna was so hot like she was to where Roseanne Barr would be hotter than her right now? Roseanne Barr is way hotter than Madonna. I mean, if you'd have looked back in the day, Madonna, sex symbol, incredible, and Roseanne, and now... Right. Right? Well, I think... Because I thought, wasn't Roseanne at your club? Yeah, she looked wonderful.

Isn't she? She looks good. She looks healthy. She's happy. She looks great. She's lost a bunch of weight. Yeah, she's doing stand-up. Yes. Loving it. Yeah, look at that. Right. Something's going on with Madonna, if that picture is accurate that is like what that is is like the same thing that

leads to anorexia the same thing leads to bodybuilders to get just right massive dysmorphia yeah it's dysmorphia yeah she's it happens to i think there's a certain percentage of people that get those fillers in their face that it happens to you start like fucking with the shape of your face and it looks crazy it looks crazy i'm not a fan of the lip things where all the girls lips look the same now yeah i don't i don't i know what the goal is because full lips was always kind of a cool thing, I guess. But now they look the same. But it also doesn't match your nose. So my brain is all thrown off.

I'm like, what's going on? Because, you know, that's a thing with facial symmetry. That's why you can tell when someone's had a nose job. It like weirds you out. Like, huh? What's going on with your face? Right. Like everything seems, you know?

It just seems things can seem a little off when you start like making your lips bigger than everything else. It just doesn't look right. Like your mind is going like, what's missing here? Something's missing here. Yeah. I'm almost like, so that's, I'm. Like if you're, you have a thick face. If you have like thick skin, you have like thick skin you're like Italian lips and you

know an Italian nose and big thick lips it looks like it belongs in your face yeah but if you have like real thin skin and a narrow nose and this yeah well I think things change too because it used to be like tit jobs were cool now i almost think natural tits are better interesting it's kind of a taking a side good for you jamie what do you think i like what you did there it depends well i support people's right to do whatever the fuck they want if they want to get boob jobs get a boob job um i do think however people, I don't necessarily think it's 100% healthy for your body to have something in your body like that. And I think there have been some people that have had some real issues with having to get them out. Well, it's like affects their health.

I believe Kat Zingano's talked about this you know because she she got hers uh taken out she was having real problems with them i worry about fighters like taking a fucking kick right to the tit and having a pop i think these tits are fucking bionic now probably i think they're just they get combat tits but i was thinking you know it's like one of them laptops it's in a suitcase oh they're rugged yeah panasonic's yeah the ones that the military has yeah it's got a fucking latch you go lift it up yeah well they get robo tits if girls you already got to cut weight yeah how much are you adding on now you got to cut more weight yeah for those fucking tits you are adding several ounces you know yeah i mean whatever they're made out of i think they make

them out i don't think they make them out i don't think they make them out of saline anymore i think it's like a mushy thing that doesn't break you know because uh when they originally had them some people like silicone ones people were getting they were leaking every 100 cc of silicone 1.3 pounds yeah wow i mean that's, you know, that last pound for those fighters. Half a pound. That's crazy. So atypical, one, a pair will weigh 1.38 pounds. 1.38 pounds is a lot of weight to lose. To cut? Yeah.

That's the worst one. When you're dehydrating yourself? Yeah. That means you're going to lose something else. You know, like, your performance depends on, maybe you're cutting the weight easy. It depends on the person, I guess, because some people are cutting the weight easy really yeah some people yeah some people are being you know like um there's people that cut a shitload of weight you know and but some people are being pretty smart about it they really get down to about five pounds what does colby cut he doesn't cut much no he's probably 85 yeah see he's one of the best at that i think 85 to 70 is really good

because that's not that hard for an athlete like that with all that muscle you could dry that out pretty easy but one of them fucking alex pejeda guys when you're you're talking about weighing in at 185 and then walking around at 230 or 220. Colby Covington claims he lost over one stone in just a day to be backup for UFC 286 opponent, but didn't even fight. Yeah. So one stone is 13 pounds? 18 pounds. One stone is 18? Mm-hmm.

Oh. Well, it's over one stone, so. Oh, over one stone. He lost 18 pounds. 18 pounds in a day. He's over one stone, so. Oh, over one stone. And you lost 18 pounds. 18 pounds in a day. He's a company man. Yeah. He did that.

Well, he's right there. You know, it's him, and you got Bilal Muhammad. You know, you've got a lot. Hamza, at 170, he's the motherfucker, right? But it's like, can you be assured that he's going to make 170? Or, here's another possibility. Did the athletic commission fuck him? Did they pull him out when he could have made it because they decided he looked bad?

And he's like, yeah, I look bad. That time when he missed weight by nine pounds? Eight pounds. Yeah. Right. But that was New York. Right. Eight pounds.

Yeah. Right. But that was New York. Right. And they have done things in the past that show to me that they're a little more stringent on their enforcing of certain rules. And they'll stop fights when maybe another commission wouldn't. They won't allow fights to happen if other commissions would. They're very cautious.

So maybe that had something to do with it. That they pulled him because they did make the decision to tell him to stop cutting weight he's a he's big he's fucking huge i remember we saw him backstage in florida i think and he's just like giant but the thing is 85 now you go from let's just that's a big gap right but but I want you to think about it this way. Think about Colby, the size of Colby, and then I want you to think that if the next one up from Colby is Alex Pejeta... That's a big man.

That's a... So when you're talking about Hamzat, if Hamzat and Colby fight, that's a fascinating fight. Yeah. But if Hamzat fights someone like Paulo Costa. Right. Now you're dealing with a totally different size human. Different human.

Or Yoel Romero. Right. It's a totally different size human. So, yeah, Colby. So as big as Hamzat is. Right. Like if he can make that 170, and I don't know that he couldn't have made it. You know, the thing is like if they can say you look too sick, you look like shit,

but everybody looks like that if they check in on you. If you're going to cut a big weight cut, but if they know how to do it, they do it. And I don't think he missed weight any other time. Google that. Find out if that's correct, because I do not believe he missed weight. I know he fought Gerald Mearshard at 180 pound 185 pounds and he knocked him out in one round He fought Kevin Holland at a catch weight of 180 and the other fights. I believe he made 170 Hmm, maybe he had one other fight 185. I think maybe was his first fight in the UFC might have been 185

But what oh he fought that Who was that remember he was talking to Dana? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. What weight was that? That was 170. Okay. That was the leech, Leech and Leon. Yeah, that was wild.

That was. I mean, you want to talk about like levels above? When someone can carry you over to the boss and then fuck you up. Talking. And talking shit. I kill everyone. I kill everyone. But you're not going to do that to Paulo Costa.

That's my point. Right. Like, you're talking about a totally different size human being. I get it, yeah. Totally different thing. It's like, that gap is too big, in my opinion. I think there's 10 pounds. I think it should be 75, 85, all the way up.

Well, 65? Yeah. 75, 85? Yeah, 55, 65, 75. It totally makes sense. Yeah. And if you did that, I think you'd have more reasonable choices that guys would make in terms of cutting weight or in terms of going up. But ultimately, I really strongly believe that for the health of the fighters and just to really solidify what the sport has the potential to be.

People should fight at their actual weight. Yeah. Their actual weight. That's what I was going to say. So if Hosmot can cut all the way down and Colby is more natural, is there an advantage? There's definitely an advantage. But there's not an advantage in terms of endurance.

Performance, I'm saying. So, yeah, you're a bigger man man but can you perform well it's it's questionable right because we've never seen him fade he's got incredible endurance because he fought that fight with gilbert and uh three rounds yeah but it was a fucking war it was that was a wild slobber knocker of a war he got hurt he did he did but gilbert is a fucking savage though i was disappointed you know he took that short notice fight the last one we fucked up his shoulder got hurt I fucked up early in the fight. He's such a dog. He wants to compete I felt I almost feel like they should stop the fight

I think when a fighter literally can't use his arm like that and you're fighting a guy who's as dangerous as Bilal Like you're gonna take shots You shouldn't take you're gonna you know you go you run the real risk of getting extra hurt right and you're fighting a guy who's as dangerous as Bilal, like, you're going to take shots you shouldn't take. You're going to, you know, you run the real risk of getting extra hurt. Right. And you could hurt that arm even further to the point where it's not repairable through surgery. Like, you've got to, I think at a certain point in time, if you literally can't use your arm to throw punches, you probably shouldn't be fighting.

And it's a hard pill to swallow. Hard to watch. But you're probably going to lose anyway because he was so diminished. It was hard to watch. It was hard for him to move. You could see like his movement was compromised too. Whatever was fucked up with his shoulder, he couldn't do anything with that left arm. Yeah.

And hopefully he gets surgery or whatever, rehabs it or gets stem cells and fixes it. But, you know, it's that weird thing where maybe he could still win. Maybe he could land the head kick. Maybe he could take him down and get him in a triangle or something like that. You never know. But when it's that bad of an injury, it's not a bad thing to call it. I think he landed, like late in that fight, he landed a pretty good shot, if I remember right. He probably was in agony while he was doing something like that.

Probably. What's your prediction on Leon Colby? That's a great fight. That's a great fight. That's a great fight. Leon is so goddamn dangerous on the feet. Tell me. Colby. Yeah, well, you're his friend.

Listen, Leon's so dangerous. Yeah. And the fact that Kamaru couldn't take him down in the last fight, that was a big deal. Yeah, but, okay, so how about this? So Kamaru gets KO'd. Mm-hmm. That obviously gives Leon confidence, but, okay, so how about this? So, Kamaru gets KO'd. That obviously gives Leon confidence, but also no matter who wants to admit it,

that has to affect the confidence of Kamaru. He's a human being. Right, so it's like, that is such a crazy, I mean, that one moment, the fight was pretty much over, that one shot changed the trajectory of everything. Yep.

And it changed the way Kamaru fought in the second fight. He was a little bit more cautious. And Leon was at home. He had more confidence. Yep. He was like, I don't know. I just was thinking that one kick, I mean, changes everything. Well, that's a guy like Leon.

Like, you can never, I mean, that was the fifth round that he landed that. Wasn't it late? It was late in the fifth round. I believe there was only like a minute left to go in the fight or something crazy like that. The thing about Leon is you can never sleep. He's so sharp. His striking, like, he's one of the most impressive guys I've ever seen hit the pads. Yeah, but the pressure of Colby, come on now.

Yeah. No, it's incredible pressure but we'll see what happens we'll see what happens because also the cardio of colby's off the charts leon did do better than i thought he would at combating the wrestling the takedowns so he has improved there yeah so we'll see how colby can mix that up compared to Kamaru. Because Kamaru is good at that also. Yes. But does Colby have more to offer in terms of pressure and cardio? Well, Colby puts a lot of volume on you. He comes at you, like, fast.

He'll wade in. He'll take a shot to get in. He wades right in. Yeah, he wades right in. And he puts you in a dogfight. And when you're in a dogfight, he's more likely to get a takedown. You know, it's very smart. And also, he's pushing you at a very extreme pace right away.

He's letting you know right away from the beginning of the fight, I'm coming after you. And he has some wild fucking fights because of that. You know, like the kind of heat that he puts on people. Yeah, I'm really excited for that. I mean, I want that belt back to Oregon so bad. I'm obviously not near as bad as Colby does, but he texted the other day and said he's going to come and train next month. So getting ready for that fight.

It would have been interesting if Jorge Masvidal, when he fought Gilbert, which was Gilbert's fight before that, if he didn't take that fight, I wonder if they would have given him a title shot if Leon can beat Colby. Because that was the one fight when they had that backstage fight. Yeah, the three-piece in a soda. Yeah. I know.

That had the storyline. And that's, you know, Jorge was angling for that for the payday, obviously. And it just didn't make sense because jorge had lost well jorge's um he's kind of openly said that he just doesn't doesn't feel as good fire just it doesn't he doesn't have it and he does it's not he's still a very capable world-class fighter but he doesn't feel like he's at his best you know he's 37 or something like that. Yeah, I know. Is he 38? How old is Jorge Masvidal? Since the fucking backyard, dude.

He's been doing it forever. The biggest OG ever. 38, yeah. If you're a natural athlete, that's kind of the end of the line in combat sports. It gets close if you're a natural athlete. Yeah. You know, it's like it's

so hard except guys like yoel you know you have these guys that are just freaks you don't understand they're just whatever freak of genetics and nature and and you know obviously trains hard too but it's like there's some guys that can be really i mean he's elite yoel is like what 44 45 and now he's in bellator yeah he's elite he's still elite like everyone's scared of him his last fight he won I believe I'm sure he won 46 46 46 46 years old and fucking ragdolling people and still built like a Greek god I love I love training with the fighters just because I'm a you know big fan obviously but that their mentality is like my my goal to train with people is uh look at him i know sculpted is this his last fight

yeah this is last fight oh that's oh we fought melvin manhoef oh interesting wow melvin is he's old too fucking oh my god we were just watching highlights of him the other day. Melvin is quite a bit smaller. Yeah, but he's been, how old is he, Jamie? Melvin? Melvin in fight years is fairly old in terms of miles. He's got a lot of miles on him. God, I bet. Imagine having Yoel on top of you like this.

Oh, he'd be miserable. Crushing your fucking neck. Miserable. He is so good at wrestling. Look at these elbows. People don't understand how good Yoel is. Yeah. I mean, he was.

They see him stand up all the time. He likes to stand, it seems like. Oh, he likes it. Because it doesn't take as much energy. And he's so fast. The knee that he knocked out Chris Weidman with, holy fucking shit, that was scary. Yeah.

He's so good, dude. And he's so dangerously strong. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know we've heard that a million times about how the doctor said he's like his bones are. The doctor said his tendons in the eyes were three times larger than normal humans. Right. Like, what the fuck?

He's just. This. Look at this. He smashed him. God, that looks terrible. Oh, my God. I feel bad. Oh, my. Yeah, not good.

Yeah. And for Melvin, Melvin has been knocked out a lot. There's a lot of videos. Joe Schilling knocked him out. There's a crazy video of Robbie Lawler knocking him out in Strikeforce. The Robbie Lawler one is amazing because Robbie is getting fucked up in that fight look at this boom boom he's out

and he gets him in the neck and then he gets him with another one yeah so pull up Robbie Lawler versus Melvin Manhoef so this was when Melvin was at his prime everyone was terrified of him.

A monster? He was one of the best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA, and one of the most explosive kickboxers of all time. I mean, he was so good. And so dangerous. And this is after he had already fought in Pride. This is after he had had some crazy fights

overseas in Japan. Oh. He's teeing off on Robbie. after he had had some crazy fights overseas in Japan. Oh, God. He's teeing off on Robbie. Those body shots must be terrible. Look at this. Look at how hard he's getting kicked in his legs, man. I mean, he's just getting lit up. Yeah.

So it looks terrible for him, right? It does, yeah. Because you're thinking, you know, my. I mean, he's just getting lit up. Yeah. So it looks terrible for him, right? It does. Yeah. Because you're thinking, you know, my God, Robbie, this is one of the best strikers in the world, and he's chewing your legs up. I mean, every time he's kicking his leg, it's like holy fuck, it's like he's doing the splits. Oh, God, that hurts. Look at this. Oh, that was it, that right hand.

Look at that. Oh, look at his eyes. Yeah. Look at that. Oh, my God, that looks terrible. Look at that. Oh, my God. That looks terrible. That's the shadow realm. That looks terrible. What was this? A right?

Right hand. Oh, right on the chin. God. Yeah, Robbie. Bro, look at that. Robbie's right hand. That is crazy. Yeah.

That's one of the greatest come-from-behind knockouts of all time. Yeah. Can't walk. I know. He's like, i know he's like of course his legs got destroyed if you could even imagine how hard that guy can kick yeah that's uh the the leg kicks these days are just ridiculous yeah i mean it's it's so effective yeah it's so it's you compromise all your movement it's so painful so Yeah. It's so, you compromise all your movement. It's so painful. So much respect for the fighters because they can't show pain. They got to walk it off.

You know, but you know, I mean, they're a poker face and how bad that must hurt and they're just like, nothing. Nothing.

So impressive. The most impressive display of that I ever saw was Eric Anders versus Khalil Roundtree. Khalil Roundtree was just smashing his legs. When he went and trained with Muay Thai, right? Yeah, he went over to Thailand.

Yeah, that front leg was like real light. Yeah, Thai style. Just, oh my God, that was brutal. Yeah, but Roundtree came back like a different person. Yeah. It was wild to see because he was always a good striker. He was a tough guy. And explosive.

Yeah, but he came back like, oh, my God, his kicks. Like, what the fuck, man? Me and DC, you know, how many fights have we commentated together? I don't know. A lot. A shit pile. It's rarely that we're looking at each other going, wow. Like, what the hell, man?

Like, what changed in this guy yeah this is just him practicing i've always been a fan really want to see him in that fight i've always been a fan of khalil cut see if you can find khalil versus eric anders i remember yeah i remember this yeah it was a crazy fight man it showed you how fucking tough Anders is. He's so tough. Because Khalil is just lighting him up. And he's moving so well. That must be so frustrating because they don't want to switch stances. But if their leg is getting brutalized, they've got to switch.

Yeah, there's not a lot of good options. No. And then their power's gone If you're not an elite world-class wrestler Like, you don't think you can take this guy down You gotta try to commit And as you commit, you're running into a buzzsaw Because he's such a good counter-striker, too

And obviously, coming into this fight Obviously, like, everybody watched this fight And said, oh my god, he's on another level And occasionally you see that from fighters Like, Charles Oliveira is a great great example that something happened in his career Yeah, it snapped and then all of a sudden he was on another level right and when most people watch Khalil before Everyone knew he was very good, but you watch him after this you're like well this guy's like this is world-class This is like top of the food chain striking and if he can keep getting better the way he got better for this fight,

that's like world championship caliber fighting. The inside of that quad there on his right leg. Or both, inside and out, it looks like. I think for Khalil and a lot of these guys, it's very hard to maintain the kind of focus that requires you to fight at this elite level every time. What hurts worse, in or out? They both suck. They both suck.

They both suck. The calf, I've never been kicked in the calf, but everybody that I know that has says it's the worst. Michael Bisping went his entire UFC career, won the world title, never got kicked in the calf. Lucky for him that wasn't a thing. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. That's how recent it became one of the most dangerous weapons in the calf. Lucky for him, that wasn't a thing. Isn't that amazing?

Yeah. That that's how recent it became like one of the most dangerous weapons in the sport? Now it's like the fight hinges almost on how many calf kicks can you land before whatever. When you watch the second Pahita Adesanya fight in the UFC,

the second one, he was getting to his calf again. Oh, just recently? Yeah. And Israel was like, God damn one, he was getting to his calf again. Oh, just recently. Yeah, and Israel was like, God damn it. He's getting me again. He's so good at hiding it. He's better than anybody I've ever seen. And he knew it was coming.

He knew from the first time. But he was better at it this time. But Pahita, he doesn't switch the hips. He stands. He stands like this. He's got this weird way of standing where he's almost kind of square to you. And when he kicks, he just throws the leg. So the shoulders don't swing.

There's none of this stuff. It's just thump, thump. So even if you know it's coming. It's not as hard as he can hit you. But it doesn't matter. It's as quick as he can hit you and as sneakily as he can hit you. And he's hitting that same spot again and again and again. And if your can hit you, but it doesn't matter. It's as quick as he can hit you and as sneakily as he can hit you. And he's hitting that same spot again and again and again.

And if your daughter hits you there, it sucks. Yeah, yeah. I had to stop letting my 13-year-old thigh kick me. It's hurting? Because it started to hurt. So it's really hurting. And that was like the fun thing for them, that they could full power Muay Thai me in the legs. Did she kick as hard as Roundtree?

Dude, I wouldn't be walking. I can't take one of those. I know. Those are horrible. What I did like to see was... Especially a full blast one. With Stylebender was, you know, they showed, after he knocked him out, they showed his training where he was mimicking that same exact shot.

Yes, yes, yes. In that same position where he's on the cage, rope-a-dope, and then explode out. It's like, incredible. Well, he knew that Pajero opens up when he thinks he's got you hurt. He kind of drops his hands a little bit. Well, he fights with his hands down. It's a very unusual style.

But it's also very, very effective. Oh, this is it. Let's see here. Oh, yeah. Look at it right there. That's it right there. Oh, my God. This one for sure right here. See, he let himself get hit with the right. Yeah.

Because even in that training, he let himself get hit with that right. Yeah. Well, he takes a great shot. I mean, he got knocked out by Pajeda in the kickboxing match. But, God damn, if that guy hits you that hard in that, it was like the worlds were colliding as he landed that left hook. Like sometimes you land a shot and the guy's moving in the direction of it. It takes a little bit.

Like have you ever had anybody hold pads for you and hit pads? When they hold pads for you, they kind of meet your punch. Oh, I see. And it makes your punch seem harder. Yeah, that makes sense. If you work with a guy who doesn't do that, you have to actually hit it. You realize the difference. Well, that's the difference between you moving your face. Right. If you're coming into it, they're punching. Boom! It's crazy. And that can happen. It happens with guys all the time. And

you see the opposite too. When they go with a punch and it looks like it's going to be hard, but they're okay because they rolled with it. exactly kelvin gastel is very good at that there's a lot of guys that are very good at like turning is he's good at that re is he's really good at that just turning like as the punch is hitting you turning your head going with it whittaker's good good at that too that's going to be an interesting fight whittaker is uh he's fighting. Yeah, I saw this. God damn it. Why am I brain freezing here? I saw this.

It's a great fight. Oh, Drekus. Drekus Duplicy. Right. That's a great fight. That's an interesting fight. Because apparently Drekus and Izzy don't like each other. Something about real African.

Drekus is saying something about I'm the real African. Yeah, I know. So weird. Might want to fucking tone that down. So weird. it's kind of a history a part of i don't i know i i can't get on board with that it's stupid but it's also gets attention yeah and it gets the guy mad at you and then the guy wants to fuck you up get him get him rattled no i get it well what makes it interesting to me like in terms of like the choice of having Whitaker and uh Drekka's duplicy

fight is that Whitaker came really close to beating Izzy in that last fight yeah I mean it was a very close fight the first fight Izzy storm steamrolled him right Izzy catches him knocks him out then all sudden Whitaker just keeps getting better and better and better and then gets a shot at the title again and has an amazing fight like down the wire I believe it was a split decision um is that is that correct fine enough that was a split decision but it was a very good fight I just like Rob's take on things he's so articulate and well thought out he's an animal too yeah he's all the above yeah he's and he's one of my favorite fighters also besides stylebender yeah but he's so good i almost like hate that they don't like each other because i love both of them they're so great it was the stylebender whittaker fight yeah yeah okay they

had two no no the second one the second one yeah the first one he knocked him out and then the second one unanimous unanimous decision yeah very good, though. But the point is, it's like, if they get a fight again, I'm in. I want to see that fight. But I feel like, why not just give him that fight? Like, why are you making him fight Drekus? And if you are making him fight Drekus, if he beats Drekus, then Drekus has to build himself back up to get to a place where you get this big money fight with Izzy. Yeah. Like, wouldn't it be smarter?

Unpopular opinion. Wouldn't it be smarter? Unpopular opinion. Wouldn't it be smarter? I'm not a big fan of Drekus. Oh, really? I don't think he's near as good as the top of the heap. He admits fighting Robert Whitaker, not the smart move, explains why he accepted the UFC 290 fight. So why is he accepting it?

What is he saying? I think he's a notch boa. I think those guys are just a little bit better. A lot of people are saying it's not the smartest move to fight Whitaker. And 100%, I agree with that. I agree. I like this dude. I agree it's not the smart move, but I'm not here to be smart.

Otherwise, I would have stayed in school and finished my studies, gone to work at a bank, wear a suit to work every day, and do some corporate life. But that's not the life I chose. I chose to be a warrior, to be an entertainer, and at the end of the day, I'm a fighter, and that's what I do. I fight. Okay, well, I like that a little better.

I like that attitude. Yeah, I like that. I know we talked a lot of shit, but, you know, listen. People talk shit about people in other towns. If you actually lived in Africa, and some dude's in New Zealand, and you'd be like, hey, I'm the real African. One more sentence to add.

Okay. Okay, I want to deserve my title shot. I don't want to be handed a title shot. I'm going to deserve that belt, and that's why I wanted that Whitaker fight. All right. Okay, I can respect that. You know.

I still like Whitaker better. Well, I like both of them, but, you know, that's a find-out fight. We'll find out, you know. We'll find out, you know? We'll find out because Whitaker is going to test that guy. Whitaker is a motherfucker, dude. God, he is so good. And he's another guy that couldn't—he's a good move to 85, right?

Because at 170, it was just too much. He was just cutting too much weight. And then at 185, he becomes world champion. One of my favorite things, and I't know why is because is watching fighter reactions to them watching fights you know like like he has when stallbender beat alex like they show whitaker whitaker's reaction and i just love that that moment because they're in the same job yeah same whatever and so their reaction is so authentic. Conor watched Khabib, they had on there. Did Robert Whitaker cheer when Israel won?

No, he's just pretty measured. But he's just like, I don't know. I just, I don't know. It's like, I just like it. I'm not really like Theo Vaughn watching people eat dinner like that. He was saying if he was on cocaine. Well, who do you think he would want to fight more? Who? Between who? Robert Whitaker you think he would want to fight more? Who?

Between who? Robert Whittaker. Who would he want to fight more? Would he want to fight, like, if you were like him before the fight, who would you be rooting for? I would imagine he'd be rooting for Adesanya because that's the big money fight for him. Yeah. And they're one and one. Yeah.

Or no, no, they're two now. Right. So, Stahlbender beat him twice, right? Yes. Yeah. Or no, no, they're two now. Right. So Stylebender beat him twice, right? Yes. Yeah. Or he might think that Stylebender had a good time in the first fight with Bejeda on the ground. Yeah.

And Whitaker's a very good wrestler. Very good on the ground. Yeah. Very strong grappler. I think he'd want Stylebender just because of that location. They're both the same part of the world. Mm-hmm. Well, it could be that, but it also could be, you know,

he thinks he's got a good shot at beating Pajero. Yeah. I mean, you might want to look at it that way. He probably does. Because the other thing is, if he beat Izzy twice in a row, there wouldn't be a third match, so Whitaker would automatically kind of be a shoo-in for the next title shot.

Wouldn't you imagine? Well, yeah, and don't you think that people are like, the critics would say Alex hasn't taken on a wrestler, a good wrestler. Oh, yeah, 100%. Because that's not Stylebender's thing. But that's Whitaker's thing. I mean, it's not Whitaker's whole thing. Is there a lot of sign you're confident Robert Whitaker beats

Drekos Duplassi at UFC 290, open the trilogy bout? It will be a great fight. Because, I mean, Izzy just had his fucking number in that first one. That was like a prime Izzy performance. I think a lot of these wrestling strong fighters want Pajero. Look what Izzy said. He said, I tried to do Drekka's Duplicy in the fucking Death Star, the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.

I had a sign. He said, I tried. Maybe not International Fight Week because it was already booked, but I tried it later on. I was like, fuck it. Give him to me. It's already there. What's the point? Why wait?

Yeah. Yeah, I like that attitude, too. I think he'd fuck him up. Maybe. But wouldn't you want to watch? Of course. I want to watch. He's upset. I know want if izzy is mad at

somebody and izzy's fired up i want to be there for that yeah i want to see that i love it all i love it all i want to see it that's what i say my my dream people to train with with i did chandler but uh colby's a tough but I want the wolf I want the wolf yeah I get everyone yeah I want him to come do lift run shoot and I want him to get a dietician well and then I also want Connor because I want Connor to stop partying and fucking get serious well it's hard because why do you become famous in the first place why do you become famous in the first place? Why do you become successful in the first place? So you can live like a fucking baller. And that's what Conor's doing.

But you can do that shit when you're old. Did you see he pulled his yacht up to the fucking Formula One? Yeah. So he's watching the Formula One while he's eating breakfast off the back of his yacht. It looks great. Fuck yeah, it does. But, I mean, you got a shitload of money you don't do that i'm a different person i think conor mccracker i know but i have different motivations but he he's in his i'm not

quite in his prime maybe a little older but he's got so much talent so much ability you can party and be a fucking madman or you could be jacked in your yacht, which is what you want. Yeah, but when you're 40 and you got no other choice, do it then. Well, but you can do it now and that's what he wants to do. The problem is... I fucking hate it though.

The problem is, it's like... I'm sick of seeing pictures of him partying. Yeah. I'm sick of it. I want to see him in the gym. I want him to do what he wants to do. And if Conor McGregor wants to fucking buy diamonds and lay around in the sun, I'm all there for it.

I want him to come. The guy earned every fucking penny he got. I'm happy for him. I'm happy. I salute him. Come carry that fucking rock up the hill. Nah, he'll do that. I want him to.

That would be an awesome show. It would. Yeah, it'd be fun. You and him on Mount Pisgah. Pisgah. Pisgah. Yeah. Pisgah.

You know what? That's what these are called. See that? Oh, nice. It's a GSPGH. Oh, nice. You didn't know that? No, I didn't know that.

And then the- Well, I just saw these in the flesh today for the first time. What's that? That's me on the monument. Ooh. You want that little thing that you hop on yeah nice that is sick but what's it like to have your own shoe well you've got a bunch of own shoes no when you were with under armor you did but this one i'm not saying i'm like michael jordan actually killed two elk

wearing your shoes you did on two different occasions i killed elk wearing those under armor camines trail shoes yeah those those i like those shoes too well they're great they were great for um for bow hunting because they were there you could get a little bit of traction to them and you could feel the ground real lightweight if you're sneaking up on stuff so you can as long as you're not like in real hazardous terrain you can get away with a good trail running shoe oh yeah yeah no for sure if it's You don't need that ankle support. What do you wear now for your hunting boot? Last year, I wore Solomon.

Solomon's are great. Yeah. Those are great. Yeah. And, I mean, the Under Armour boots, I killed a lot wearing those. Those are real lightweight, too. Yeah. It was like, you know, I'm not working with them anymore.

So, I'm like'm like well just try a bunch and that's why i tried out a bunch of different running shoes also to try to make okay i kind of had to use under armor and they they did what i wanted they made the good shoe like that you killed bulls and i ran a lot of miles on those but then once i didn't renew with them i'm like well let me just see what's out there and see what the best is so i tried solomon and boots and then ran in about everything else and ended up on these speedlands and is speedland a company that just specializes in running is it just running sneakers yeah it's just trail running just trail running yeah just trail running nice yeah so they uh my worry would be if you tried to hunt with those they're pretty bright the elk would look at you too and go is

that fucking blood in this motherfucker's shoes? What was the decision to have blood splattered on it? And is it the same splatter on every shoe or is it different? No, it's the same splatter. That would be kind of cool if it was different on every one. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. I'll just take it out.

Too much work. My thought is blood to me is a symbol of sacrifice sometimes you got to bleed to achieve your goals so that's what it means to me oh and those guys those are the owners of the company it's an oregon company they both used to they've worked at nike puma under armor and so speedland is their brainchild and then me being local they're willing to work with me work with me and do whatever i wanted and uh you know a lot of the the running companies are pretty liberal so me being a bow hunter oh yeah even though i have influence in the running community they're not willing to put themselves out there but you need to make these an origin camo i'm so we're coming out with a

winter version that's black oh what about orange and camo we could do that we need to get that we can do whatever that needs to be done don't don't you think then you could totally hunt with this yeah it seems like it's got a good grip on the bottom oh no it's great i mean that that bottom is is so i just ran an Ultra. My brother won it. I got second, but it was super muddy, and the traction on them is perfect because the mud doesn't stick to the sole,

but it still gives you grip. So that's always the... There's a trade-off. You don't want the lug so close where it's holding the mud. I started wearing these really light crispies. I like them a lot. It's, like, heavier than that, but lighter than. It's a trail runner?

No, no. A hunting boot. Yeah. Yeah. I like those a lot. Yeah. Those, those have a good reputation. I haven't tried those.

Super solid. Yeah. I liked it a lot. It's like, but having the proper footwear as a runner has to be like, when you think about the amount of miles that you run like you run an insane amount of miles like on a regular week would you run when you're not prepping for like some ultra marathon i mean i don't even usually i don't even track it but it'd be for sure 100 miles a week that's that's a lot 14 miles a day yeah that's a lot average but that's where those those that

soul is i, my body. It's got good cushioning. Because even though I'm much younger than you, I am old. Damn. That sucks for me. This has got a good cushioning. Yeah. So the point is, is that my body doesn't take a beating with all the miles I put on.

Right. Gives you a little padding. And then the boa, you know, of course, a boa is nice because as your foot swells, sometimes in longer races, your foot swells. And so you can back those boas. The old ones used to have to release all the way. Those you can back like one click back. Oh, okay. And it doesn't, you don't start all the way back over.

So if your foot gets a little tight because it's swelling, you can just go click, click. But. I like boas. Oh, they're. It's a game changer. Laces dangling around. And those cords, I was always worried those cords were going to break. Yeah, I've never had one.

I've never had one break either. I kind of stopped worrying about it after a while. But in the beginning, I'd crank them down just waiting for it to pop. Testing it. I just want to see. Testing it like you did your back. Yeah. I think I felt that, but let me make sure.

Yeah, this is a good wake-up call for me though very very good wake-up call i was getting a little too lackadaisical about my choices just and not i don't think i warmed up enough honestly either because i'm doing a lot of my workouts after the cold plunge and i think what i should incorporate now is probably like a good bike ride like a good uh assault bike ride to really fucking get a good sweat going before i do anything else because i've just been going lightly like doing body weight squats and push-ups and getting my body warmed up and then i started doing a bunch of leg stuff and then i did the deadlifts and it's not a bad injury like i have i have full range of motion i can buck but it's i mean you're shooting the bow yeah today it looked fine but my

muscle in my back is just a little annoyed with yeah but that's where that fucking hyper ice hammer yeah has been helping me yeah this fucker yep these things are game changers this is the hyper volt plus these are game changers. That and CBD cream. I got some really good CBD MD recovery CBD cream. What kind? CBD MD. It's called Recovery. It's one of their many different muscle balms that they have. Have you ever used that stuff?

I use Santa Cruz Medicinals. Yeah. And so it's like I put it on on today just on my legs on my arms just because it's like when i'm tight from training it just helps it really alleviates inflammation somehow or another it helps it feels good through your pores and does that i mean even the smell the aroma i like oh i like it yeah i like taking it too it's nice uh when you take it it like relieves anxiety. When CBDMD became a sponsor a long time ago, they sent me a bunch.

And I started taking their gummies every day. And I was like, why do I feel so good? And that was just CBD, not THC. No, just CBD. And then I started taking the drops. And the drops, the oil, you can get it really effectively into your system. You just drop it under your tongue. And it's just, I mean, I think results may vary.

But for me, it works great. I'm a big fan. That's the thing. I try so much different stuff and I don't really know what works specifically, but I know I feel good. Dave Foley told me that it cured his arthritis in his hands. He had his hands. He said he couldn't straighten them out. He started taking CBD and it just all went away.

He goes, now I have full range of function in my hands, which is amazing. That is. That's amazing because usually that stuff goes downhill from there. Yeah. You know, arthritis is a scary one, man. Yeah, I know. That's, yeah, that, I know young people who have it. There's a comic named Sean Rouse. It was it's hilarious hilarious comic and he had horrible arthritis it was horrible he could barely

move it was really bad and he drank a lot dude it was fucking funny though he was so funny that inflammation is a is a real i mean it it makes everything worse. Oh, it's horrible. And from the alcohol is just exacerbating the symptoms. Carbs. Fucking carbs, dude. Carbs, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people. That's Jordan Peterson's daughter, Michaela. She has really bad arthritis, and she got on the carnivore diet and basically stopped in its tracks.

When I went, I did that kind of a keto thing. I was trying to get fueled up with just fat adapted. So no carbs, just all protein fruits type thing. My joints have never felt better. I mean, I would come downstairs in the morning. I'm like a freaking 14-year-old, just like boop, boop, boop, bouncing around. I hadn't felt that good and whatever. But it was the carbs that caused that inflammation.

I know it's crazy to think, but I think that's true. I've been doing the carnivore diet now pretty disciplined, except last night I had a couple of corn chips because we were eating. My family got Mexican food, and I was just eating the steak, like some carne asada. And there were some corn chips there, and I fucking cheated. I ate like five or six corn chips. I won't tell. But other than that, it's been mostly just meat and eggs. It's I ate like five or six corn chips. I won't tell. But other

than that, it's been mostly just meat and eggs. It's mostly been all of I've been eating. And I've had a few pieces of fruit along the way, but, uh, I feel great. I lost five pounds, six pounds, somewhere around then. What are you? One 95, one 96 right now. Yeah. Yeah. 95, one 96. I feel fucking great. Yeah. I feel great. great your energy levels this is what's what what um fascinated me about it the first time i did it i felt like my energy level was stable through the whole day which it kind of never is like after a podcast sometimes i'm just like yeah you know because you don't think about it as being difficult but like say if i'm talking to someone that's talking to me about like some really heavy shit you know some you know some quantum

physics or something like that meet you a cuckoo type dude you know like the whole time I'm just trying to keep up with this dude it's like running up the mountain with you I could run a marathon way easier than I can sit and do a podcast like at my podcast I'm like so stressed out from like i can't keep this conversation going okay i'm listening what they're saying but i gotta think of the next question i'm gonna ask you'll eventually get to the point where you don't think about that it's just a reps thing it's just like shooting your bow the worst is the smart people like chris williamson right that dude's crazy smart yeah and i'm like am I going to do? So I was exhausted after that one. You never see that dude say, um.

And he's like, his memory is like, oh, my friend, Alex Harmosy. Yeah. I mean, it just rattles off this quote and ties it in perfectly. I'm like, God, I suck. Fascinating guy. And one of the best guys to sort of emerge from this new group of people that are interviewing people and talking to people on YouTube. Yeah. One of the best. One of my favorites. I asked him, I said, so what exactly is an intellectual? Yeah, that's a good question.

Yeah. Because he was a club promoter. I know. I know. So it's like, I just know if it was intellectual, it'd be the opposite of me would be a good definition. But you know, like, I think classical education has its point. It has its merits and it has its place.

But there's some people that have done some insane things by bypassing the normal system. One of them is James Cameron. Do you know I was reading this thing yesterday about James Cameron. Do you know that James Cameron didn't go to film school? James Cameron used to go to the library and he would take people's dissertations and he would photocopy them and he would just absorb all their information about filmmaking all the all the interviews all he essentially said he got a a doctorate's degree in for like 1200 bucks yeah of like photocopying things and studying things well which is kind of crazy because James Cameron is like is he the

highest-selling Producer of all time might be he's up there Steven Spielberg the Titanic Avatar yeah aliens right I mean you How many fucking movies has that guy made that are just blockbusters and I think that he? Learn how to do it final that's true number right behind spielberg right number two behind spielberg and you know have you ever seen that uh tanner has a t-shirt and it says great artist steel oh that's interesting and so these guys so whatever he was influenced by he'd go to the library he'd or he'd see things the reason why i thought of that is when you were saying that, Brandon Shockey told me

he like watches, who is the director? He's done some, God, I can't think of it right now. But anyway, he tries to mimic that style who he's watched. Does the guy do film

or does he do documentaries? No, no. He's like a movie maker. A movie maker. Not Werner Herzog. No, it was pitt's been in one of his movies i know that not tarantino no um no okay but anyway point is you'll remember it who guy richie yes guy richie's the fucking man guy richie was one of branlon's biggest inspiration

he would sit in this little apartment and watch this and then try to when he's doing jim shocky hunting adventures things he would try to mimic stuff like that. Then like when he filmed, you know, the grizzly hunt that we did, he just was like using all these different influences and it was just mimicking the styles. Yeah. And it's like, so that reminds me. That's a good guy to mimic. Right. So what does the classical schooling do when you can just watch this and try to mimic it and then try to use your inspiration or influence on whatever you're creating?

Maybe that's a ticket. Well, I think both of them are tickets, honestly. You know, I think classical schooling teaches you all the technical details, all the stuff that you, I mean, you can learn it other places as well, but it puts you in a place where you're learning it and you're actually in a course. Yeah. And there's a real value for some people for that kind of structure. And I think not everybody's as motivated as James Cameron. Right. And sometimes people, they can't carve their own path. They can't figure out a way to make it.

can't carve their own path. They can't figure out a way to make it like how to, like, you got to find like, that's, you got to find places that like, there's a, there's a light at the end of this tunnel, like to try to carve your own tunnels. Like, Oh yeah, that's too much work. But you've, so you've been influenced by comics. Oh yeah. Right. So you've implemented that strategy a little bit. You'd see somebody you think is funny. You'd like their style. Then you put your twist on it. Well, what happens is, first of all, there's there's one thing that happens when you're around people that are really good is that you have to bring your material up to their level. Right. Because iron really sharpens iron. that I really like about this scene that we're developing here in Austin is there's so many good comics here on a regular basis. On a regular basis,

you're going to see Brian Simpson, Shane Gillis. Best of the best. You're going to see Tony Hinchcliffe. You're going to see fucking Mark Norman, Ari Shaffir. You're going to see Joey Diaz. You're going to see these people

that are coming through. It's been fucking wild. But the young guys need that and the young girls and the young non-binary people they all need it everybody needs it everybody who's watching that needs that yeah because you need to know where these levels are at like you very rarely will go to a small town in the middle of nowhere and the best comic in the world is there i've never heard of that i don't think it exists i think you have to be around other killers do but do you think that, here's what I've noticed.

Like, in small towns, there's always, I'll just see if this analogy makes sense. There's always a stud in the small town that doesn't really want to be compared to the beasts in big towns. So are there comics who really don't want to, they feel better killing wherever they're at, and they don't really want to get thrown against the best of the best? Well, it's not that. It's that they don't want to, they feel better killing wherever they're at, and they don't really want to get thrown against the best of the best? Well, it's not that. It's that they don't want to travel, and if they don't have to, because they're not going against them. So one of the rare things about a setup like the Comedy Store- But your game has to be elevated, or it's going to be very noticeable. What I'm trying to say is, in the world of comedy,

that really doesn't exist other than showcase clubs. So there's two kinds of clubs. There's the kind of clubs where you travel and you go on the road and you go there like the Denver Comedy Works, one of the best clubs in the world or Nashville's or Zany's rather in Nashville, which is one of the best in the world. That one in Salt Lake. Oh yeah, Wise Guys in Salt Lake. It's the shit. So you'd go there, you do a weekend there, you do your standup and then you go home. So you're the headliner. You bring a middle act and you bring an opening act or you use locals, right? So there's basically two people on in front of you and then you for the most part, maybe one person. But the point is you're working with those people only. So you know what you have to follow,

you know how good they are, You know how good they are. You know how good you are. And you can kind of coast. And some people kind of coast. And they fall into this sort of trap of maintaining a level but not getting better. But the people that are forced into places like The Cellar in New York City or the Comedy Store in L.A. or now The M mothership in Austin they're doing sets whether you know they're following Dave Attell they're

they're following Chris DiStefano they're following Theo Vaughn they're following assassins and it's just like these wild rooms where they're just filled with great comics Ron White's going up Roseanne's going up and there's this feeling in the air because of that where everybody's super energized and everybody's level goes up. But everybody was influenced by the greats. Like we have on the green room wall, we have Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten notes for his last Tonight Show special. So handwritten notes about all of his bits and even the jokes he was going to tell when he sat on the panel. At your club?

Yeah, it's at my club. It's framed. Rodney's wife gave it to us when we opened the club. It was an amazing, amazing gift. And we framed it. And I was heavily influenced by Rodney in a lot of ways. But one way, he had this I don't give a fuck attitude that was, it was like everybody else was pretending. But he really didn't give a fuck in his last days Rodney would go on stage with a bathrobe on naked so he was

naked with slippers and a bathrobe and stand in front of a fucking arena and crush and I was there for that when I was a kid I was working at man at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield. And it was an outdoor concert venue. I got to see Bon Jovi there. I got to see a bunch of artists there. It was fun. I saw Bill Cosby there.

You just bought a ticket just like anybody else? No, I was working. Oh, that's right. I was a security guard. I heard the story. It might have been on Hennessy's. Oh, could be. Could be, probably.

I've told it of him before. But Rodney was backstage and I got a glimpse of him walking through the hallway with a bathrobe on. This motherfucker's got a bathrobe on. I thought he was going to change. I thought he had a bathrobe and then he puts the suit on and goes on stage. Can't catch a break.

God. Classic. He was amazing, man. He was amazing. No respect. No respect at all. And now. One liner is just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And you've created this magical place here. Yeah. What I was going to say about Rodney not giving a fuck.

One of the things he did give a fuck about was comedy. And the Rodney Dangerfield Young Comedian special was the most important special that a comic could get on back then. And so many enormous careers were launched because of Rodney Dangerfield. Because Rodney Dangerfield's special, we first met Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Lenny Clark, Dom Irera. All on his special. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So many fucking great comics came out of those Rodney Dangerfield young comedian specials. Bill Hicks came out of that. Robert Schimmel came out of those ronnie dangerfield young comedian specials bill hicks came out of that robert schimmel came out of that great great comics so if you saw the ronnie

dangerfield young comedian special and then you saw that robert schimmel was going to be in your town soon like holy shit and it was like the best thing that ever happened to these comics, these up and coming comics. Because some of them were like, they were too dirty for The Tonight Show. They couldn't do the MTV half hour comedy hour. They wouldn't give you the full thing. You're not going to get full Dice Clay from the half hour comedy hour. You need to see him at the Rodney Dangerfield special. And so he just launched everyone from that. And I was always like, I need to do one of those.

I need to do like a Rodney Dangerfield kind of special. So that's been your goal? Like a Joe Rogan comedy special. But what kind of happened is I've just kind of done it through the podcast. So the podcast has become like a great launching pad to let people know about great comics. Because if someone comes on here and I'm telling you, hey, this guy is hilarious You got to go see him right people believe me okay? I wouldn't lie right I'm telling you because they make me laugh Yeah, and if they don't I just fucking steer clear, but then the club has been

Bob and weave But then the club has been an ancillary Product of that to where it's even helping even more because then you can have these guys in here, right? Yeah, that helps a lot. All of it helps. It's all good. But having a club like that makes me really realize that we all are a part of this hive mind of artists. They're all trying to be funny.

Everybody's working really hard everybody's writing new bits they got kill tony where every monday night you know guys like david lucas and william montgomery and hans can be doing a one new minute every week so there's this like fucking buzz yeah of energy in that place that's exciting yeah it's It's fucking wild. All I know is I see the post and it's just like, there's that FOMO type, like, God, this looks incredible. This looks like, how can I be part of it? You can come hang out. Yeah, I know.

We'll do it tonight. But the point is, what you've created is just so special. It's cool. Yeah. It's interesting. It doesn't really seem real. Does hunting need something like that? How would you do that? I don't know. it's cool yeah it's interesting so it doesn't really seem real does uh why doesn't doesn't hunting need something like that how would you do that i don't know expose well how would you do

that you would have to have like what jesse's doing has some sort of an academy jesse yeah jesse um jesse griffith the uh the chef oh right yeah yeah yeah um I mean, I guess a lift, run, shoot. But it's like we talked about having like a little, I don't know, like a get together where you could have new hunters come in and kind of share knowledge and things like that. Yeah. It would be fun. It would be good if there was a way that they could learn where there was like real courses. Yeah. And all the aspects of hunting.

Where there was like real courses. Yeah and all the aspects of hunting because of you I was very fortunate to become friends with you and to become friends with Rinella and Guys like Ryan Callahan and Adam Green Tree people that I could call and ask questions Yeah, people I could talk to people that could you could steer me in a certain direction like hey What do you think about this? Like hey, what happens when this happens? Hey, what is it? You can so it's like a think about this like hey what happens when this happens hey what is it because it's like a massive boost in my education yeah you know and it just also being able to go actually into the woods with you yeah that's where we came up with this idea that's the hard part because i i mean i am having a lift run shoot event and it's the end of july but it's not when i go hunting it's so special to me it's very different i'm gonna i'm going to share it with people who I generally care about.

I'm not saying I don't care about these people. Yeah, I know what you mean. There's only so many days in the year. Right. But I do, your vision with the comedy scene, I do love hunting or bow hunting as much. And it's, I don't know. I know what you're saying. It's not like a same kind of camaraderie thing

what we were talking about people talking shit and this happens in all forms of I guess you would call this entertainment in some sort of a weird way because Social media stars that are bow hunters and television stars that are bow hunters they are kind of entertainers in a strange way yeah i mean they're they're doing nowadays yeah that's part of it right it's kind of part of it in some weird way and whenever there's entertainment there's numbers there's 80 people like this but 160 like that and a thousand people like this guy but 5 000 people like that guy and then the book the guy that only has 80 doesn't like the guy has 160 and the guy runs five miles is mad the guy runs 15 it's pretty can be pretty toxic yeah it's but that's with

everything man with everything it's like that you know i said i i don't even deserve to be on this platform but like for whatever reason i am so like one of my goals since i quit my job has been like i'm gonna try to be a positive i've been positive like to you you know what i mean but not really i don't know you've been tired man you've been working all day what is it like to not have to work anymore i'm working you are working but you're working for you now yeah i that's the biggest thing is like so i had people like offer me podcasts and they they'd produce it they do everything and then i just decided i'm just going to do it all myself i want to i'm going to pay all the money out i'm just going to do it myself whether and i own it whether it sinks or swim it's i'm not relying on anybody else that's what

i've done with this and i'm like now that i'm this is my job i'm like well this industry's changed my life and i'm gonna like i decided i'm giving giving away a brand new ford truck off my website and i'm like fuck it i'm giving away a brand new truck and $10,000 in cash. Just because dude, my podcast, all that shit is blowing up. Yeah, I told you.

How many times do I have to tell him? How many times do I have to tell you? Let's celebrate. I'm going to crack open the devil's nectar. I can't. Dude, I'm so 300. Let's go. I'm so am crack open the devil's nectar. I can't. Dude, I'm so amped up. Salute, my brother. Congratulations. Thank you.

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You know what's good with it? Tequila. A little ice cube, a little tequila, a little Kiwi. Oh, baby, baby, baby. Tequila doesn't make me better at anything. Doesn't, except talking shit. If you were a professional shit talker, maybe you'd appreciate tequila. It's like creatine for shit talking.

Well, thank you for the inspiration to start this new my brother i'm so happy you start this new chapter and the success like i said has been incredible and it's because of the community so there's there's people there are people who talk shit there's people like i'm not gonna say his name but steve's brother he's a professional shit talker on the hunting industry um well people listen there's a there's a great quote i'm sorry i'm gonna use this one more time but all criticism is a tragic result of unmet needs unpack that well the reason why people get so mad is they don't feel like they're getting what they deserve and they they see unless there's some legitimate

Criticism like unless someone realizes you're running a Ponzi scheme or something. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of times when people are hating on someone who's truly an exceptional person if all you're getting out of the Experience of that person is negative. Mm-hmm That can't that's not balanced. That's normal doesn't make any sense yeah if someone's only getting negative from you that's crazy yeah you're being crazy it's you're looking at it in a way where you're trying to find negative you're focusing on the negative you're not looking at like the overall top-down picture of the positive things. Because you spread so much positivity. You're all about hard work.

You're all about discipline. And you're all about this passion that you have for bow hunting. And this idea that somehow we're – here's the thought, right? There's one thought that I kind of understand where they're coming from. And this thought is that putting all of this out on social media, you're kind of cheapening this experience that is so pure and so difficult to acquire and in a way kind of sacred. And you're turning it into like, you know, fucking clickbait bullshit.

You're turning it into selfies. You're turning it into selfies. You're turning it into like, look at me, I'm amazing. Yeah, commercialization is what they say. Commercialization, but also a distortion of the thing itself. And I think there's some validity to that. And I know what they're saying when they're saying that. But it's a perspective thing. I think if you just look at the overall person, what does the actual person stand for?

And what is the net positive effect of them posting about all this stuff? The net positive effect is inspiration. And this is one thing that a lot of people have a hard time with. They don't like the fact that you're inspiring and I'm inspiring more people to do this. Right. like the fact that you're inspiring and I'm inspiring more people to do this. Right. And they think that these people are going to have realistic expectations based on the availability that you have to hunt and I have to hunt and they have to hunt on public land. And that's absolutely true. It's absolutely true. But this is my experience. So if I can't talk about my experience

because I'm going to have a distorted version of this thing because it's the best version of this thing, that means I shouldn't show you my cars either. That means I shouldn't show you my comedy club. Like, yeah, a lot of my life doesn't make any sense, including the places I get to hunt and the people I get to hunt with. Yeah, it's not fair. Yeah, it's not fair. Life's not fair. That's not fair. Yeah, not everybody can do it.

But I used to be poor, and I can do it. You can do it too. People can do it. It's not an easy thing to acquire, but if you focus on it, you can do it too. There's a lot of people out there that get to hunt in the places that we get to hunt at. It's not the whole world. It's not the whole public, and I understand that. But it's, you know, as far as like the barrier to entry is not the same barrier to entry as having a crazy car.

Here's what I've noticed is like, you know what I'm saying, though? I do. I get that. But when you say that you were poor. Yeah, I was poor. And we've achieved this thing. Right. What I've noticed in like with doing every person I've had on here, probably every person you've had on my

podcast and every person you've had is like, what, what is common about those guests is they have a passion for something and they've used it for a positive endeavor. They've, they've overcome so much. Like every guest I've talked to, they have this one thing that they've been obsessed with. They rode that obsession and passion to success. So that's the message. Yeah, that's the message. Whatever you're passionate about, that can elevate your entire life. Yeah.

The criticism that people have when it comes to social media hunting and the validity of it is that you're turning it into the same thing as posing in front of famous places for likes. You're kind of bastardizing it, the commercializing of it. I get what they're saying. But there's also this thing that they're saying that I don't like where they're saying it's causing more people to want to go hunting. It's causing more people to fill up the trailheads. I guess those are the people that are going to vote to keep hunting legal. Like you have to be careful about that. Like you don't want it to become a small thing. You want it to become a bigger thing, even if it's harder to do and you have to go further and go to different places. i think that

adjustment is probably better than the adjustment of somehow or another people that don't know what this thing is voting on it and making it illegal because that's not outside the realm of possibility no no no no and that's not at all in some places the world that's the norm well and here's where that argument is a little bit i get it i do I do get it. Because when I would hunt the wilderness, I hated seeing a boot track. So I get it. I wouldn't even tell people my friends and family where I was hunting because I wanted to protect it. Right. So I get it.

I'm not saying they're wrong. But where it kind of loses a little bit of it is when you're talking about a trailhead being crowded. So Oregon, where I'm from is 60% public. It's a lot of public land. Alaska, 95% public. Where most of the hunters are Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, back East, right? Most of the hunters, so 300,000 bow hunters are in Pennsylvania. They have a very small percentage of public land compared to Alaska, Montana. What about Texas? Texas is one of the craziest ones. Texas has a million, I think a million bow hunters and 5% is public.

Yeah, it's nuts. So, yeah, if we're talking public land, that's, I think Oregon has 16, 16 000 bow hunters it's not very many not compared to texas is one million and 60 of oregon is public so you're gonna be able to find places to hunt montana you know that's where uh steve's brother's from and that's where his you know he he's very protective of montana and talks about how there's not enough public land it's being it's being bought up by these uh what do they call um the hunt trust i think or land trust that's what it is land trust where they're where they're uh leasing out hunting rights well if you look at montana most of private is down low

because it's agriculture if you're talking month if you're talking Montana, most of private is down low because it's agriculture. If you're talking wilderness and mountains, that's public land. So where do you want to hunt? A land trust can't buy down on the private land. That's cattle ranches. That's farmers trying to make money. So go up into the wilderness. Go hunt the mountains.

So where's the land trust purchasing so they can lease it out for hunters? Well, I know they're not purchasing. That's not land trust in wilderness. That's down on, like they say, well, if a rancher isn't making money from cattle, he's going to sell it to people who want to do a hunting lease on it and sell out hunting rights instead. Okay, well, that was private anyway. Yeah, not only is it private anyway, but is it, hmm.

So that seems, that's a weird one. Like, I get what he's saying. Is he worried it's a slippery slope? That eventually Montana could be something like what Texas is. He's saying that the European hunting model of just the rich can hunt is going to be the United States. That's where we're going. Is that possible? How?

With so much public land. The West is largely public. Right, but if it starts to creep in on that, if the private land starts to creep in on the public land, like if, say, let's just say, I don't even know if this is legal but let's say a state is horribly in debt yeah and they have an offer to sell off a chunk of private land that states are always in debt public land rather right they're always in debt wasn't that someone's someone wanted to do that and they got in trouble in utah and a bunch of people organized against him there was like a representative who wanted to do that. I think so.

That was – Chaffetz. What's his name? Jason. Jason Chaffetz. Chaffetz. Yeah. Wasn't there a situation like that?

I went and talked to him back in Washington about that. Yeah. What was that? It was about – there was a certain percentage of – well, some of it was landlocked public land because there's public land but you couldn't get to it. Right. Well, some of it was landlocked public land because there's public land, but you couldn't get to it. Right. And then there was some a couple million or a few million acres that were somehow into that where the public was didn't have access to it because of it was it was an argument between if the states manage it, but they can't do it, then the federal takes it over and then it changes everything. And states can never make it work money-wise because they don't have the money.

Federal has more money. I see. And it gets into the whole argument on timber management. Like they won't go in and harvest timber because they're worried about politics. Because they won't harvest timber, the fires burn hotter and are more devastating like in California they're so worried about about the about politics basically the Liberals throwing a fit about getting in there and managing the timber and doing selective cuts and things like that and cleaning up which turns into fuel for wildfires

that they don't do any of it. And that's what makes the fires burn hotter. And wasn't that Trump's argument? He was saying that they're not managing their forest. Like when California was having wildfires, he was saying something about withholding funding. Was there something like that? They were doing it wrong. Yeah.

I mean, what did he say? Trump had some criticism about the way that California was managing. He made that statement about they need to sweep the ground or something like that. And everyone was like, what? Sweep the ground? Well, he's... No, wait.

They just put bleach on it. But that's when everyone, yeah, they made the joke. No, it's clean, it's salvage logging. Just sweep it up. So, well, what happens? Beautiful, beautiful rakes. No, what he's talking about, like, if there is a fire...

You gotta clean the floor. You gotta clean your floors! Right, I see what he's saying. If there is a fire and there's all that fuel there, they can't get in there and haul it out. But that's actual conservationist thinking. Right. You really do have to make sure that

it's not filled with dry dead. You have to manage timber. You have to manage timber. I mean, that's all there is to it. And you have to manage wildlife. Yeah. All those are uncomfortable things

for some people. Like you were talking about the amount of bears that were killing those calves. They're starting to see it again in California. I said, you got to clean your floors.

You got to clean your forests. There are many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they're like So flammable Yeah, you touch them and it goes up. Okay First of all, you don't want to clean the leaves off the floor because that's compost most of the time of the nutrients that actually go Into the soil itself. Yeah, it's a leaves. It's like a part of the ecosystem All right, right the leaves aren't up in the big timber country.

When I was looking for Bigfoot with Duncan Trussell, we were looking for Bigfoot for a television show. It was awesome. But we were in the Pacific Northwest. I guess it was Mount Rainier. Is that the one that's right above? It's in Washington. Washington. Yeah, right above Seattle.

So we were up there, and we encountered a lot of elk. There's elk everywhere up there. It was crazy. I mean, just thick. Just piles of elk shit everywhere you went. But the floor was so quiet. Yeah. It was so quiet. And if you're bow hunting, good luck, bitch.

Right. You're basically shooting through a box of Q-tips. Like there is no path. Pretty thick. There's no path. It's a jungle. Right. So that, well, was it wet?

Oh, my God. It's so wet. It rains constantly. Well, was it wet? Oh, my God. It's so wet. It rains constantly. And you're just walking through the most lush, green, vibrant forest.

There's so much fuel for all those plants. That's on the west side of the Cascades. So on the east, it's dry. Ah, interesting. Right. And so when you got down to those fires like in Paradise, California, that's dry country. Yeah. So if you're not doing any salvage timber management down there, that's all fuel. Do you see what's going on with Canada with the fires?

New York City is filled with smoke. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Yeah. People took photos from New York City. My daughter told me today, she found on TikTok, because that's where they learn everything, that breathing the outside air in New York City is like smoking a half a packet of cigarettes a day.

Fucking A, man. Up in Alberta there's fires. You know what they're saying though? You know what's hilarious? What? That masks aren't effective in protecting you. Yeah. God, masks. That even N95 masks for kids because they're not fitted

properly. Oh, you mean like air gets in? Wait a minute. When I see somebody in a mask, I want to punch them. I want to hug them. That's the difference between you and me. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I was going to ask. Oh, wait. Okay. There's two things. Sometimes I want to punch them. I know. Two things. I don't want to punch them. I want to

let them know that I want to punch them. I don't want to actually punch them. This has been like on a Ferris wheel. I lost it and then it came back around. So two things. Now I forgot the one thing. The other thing was, you know how you don't like politics on here? Yes. Right. Right. Do you think in some ways you have responsibility? No.

To the people? No, they have, everyone has a responsibility to do what the fuck they want to do. Okay. Because, you you know some people would say you're the the largest media in the world that's ridiculous that means there's a supply chain issue that's what that is you are someone's fucking up well that that might be but okay so if you are i think it's all nonsense all of it i. I'll talk to some people and hear their version of how to fix this nonsense. Yeah. I'm sure.

But I'm interested in what I'm interested in. I know. And I have to kind of keep it that way. If I start thinking of this as a platform, an important platform, well, shut the fuck up. It's just me and Jamie and you. That's why I wanted your thoughts on it. Because I've heard that before.

People should shut the fuck up. Yeah. Your responsibility is to be yourself. We're just looking at things in this wild scale that is sort of unprecedented. I think it was I think because people are frustrated with Robert Kennedy Jr. not having a platform, you know, like they're there. They don't want him to have get his message out because, you know, he's a threat because he makes a lot of sense so that's why the democrats don't want to have a debate that's they're ignoring him that's what's wild it's like they're pretending he doesn't exist right so that so people are saying they would love

to see him i heard you and theo talking about it so i'm not trying to go over that again yeah but so it's just a weird time with media and platforms and politics, especially because we've seen what suppression does. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good for anybody. It's also it's not democratic. Right. Like if they decide that they can not tell you about people and not inform you about people that are very credible people. Guy, environmental attorney, guys like Kennedy.

His dad was Robert F. Kennedy. He got assassinated. He was there when he died in the hospital when he was 14. His uncle was JFK. Yeah. That perspective. And he's a brilliant guy. How valuable is that? It's very valuable. But

the system that's in power, they have like a coalition. They know what they're doing. They want to keep things exactly as they are now. They want to keep control of what they are now. And especially the administration that's in currently, if some new person comes in, all their jobs are at stake. Yeah. Right?

Everybody goes. Right. Some new guy, if RFK Jr. becomes the president, all those people working for Biden are gone. Right? They know that they're gonna do their best to use all of their resources all their connections with media all they're gonna do their best to discredit him with hit pieces and maybe even they even believe the things that are in those hit pieces but at the end of the day the only thing that changes it is if the media realizes that go that guy's going to win media realizes that guy's going to win.

And if that guy's going to win, you're going to have to deal with a whole new group of people once they get in there. And so now it's time to play ball with the new people. Start kissing ass. Now it's time to play ball with the new people. Yeah. And they're trying to stop that from happening.

They don't want that to happen. Right. You taking notes? Look at you over there. I know. I'm not going to forget this one. He's making tic-tac-toe he's playing against himself i won but uh but yeah so they're gonna do all they can to suppress first they'll suppress him then they'll you know try to

talk shit discredit him yeah and do everything they can until they get to that point the tipping point then they're like oh shit so that's that's what kennedy jr and tulsi gabbard would be hard to beat oh man i love tulsi that'd be hard to beat she two of them she carried my fucking rock dude she did she's a beast god and she only eats vegetables we gotta talk to her about that and what she only eats vegetables oh i know i wanted to take her honey and she said she's she's's Hindu and so she doesn't eat meat. I was like, fuck. Because she'd be a great hunter. I know she would. She's so tough.

Someone's got to like explain to her this is nonsense. It's not any meat thing. I know. It's not good for you. It should be even better. Well, I mean bear.

Have a little bear. She could have bear. A little bear pepperoni. Doesn't seem like that would hurt anything. Listen, have some wild pig. They got to get rid of them anyway. Yeah.

It would be a shame to not eat them. But're right tulsi robert f kennedy come on that'd be tough to beat yes you know i talked to i talked to her about that and you know on my podcast and the problem is to run like to run for governor in a state 50 million dollars to run for governor in a state, $50 million. To run for president, $500 million is what you need. It just keeps people out. Yeah. So unless you have some private donor like an Elon Musk. Or your Trump.

Where's she going to get $500 million? Right. Yeah. That's so wrong. It's crazy. So it's money is deciding everything. Yep. And that's how they like it. Because that way the people So it's money is deciding everything. Yep. And that's how they like it.

Because that way the people that have the money get to stay in power. And it's, but that's the thing. Like if the people are overwhelmingly supporting someone else, they'll shift. They'll shift too because that's where the money is going to be. It's just like hopefully the money there will be more ethically distributed. They'll do it in a better way. With someone, that's what we all hope for. the money there will be more ethically distributed. They'll do it in a better way with someone. That's what we all hope for. We hope for a president that has the character and the moral foundation and the intellect to realize a better way of managing this and also a way of uniting people. And this divide that happened during this country, it was, first of all, it was Trump supporters.

The last election, yeah. Yeah, Trump supporters against the Democrats because it really wasn't Biden. It was just Democrats winning. It was someone else winning. And then it was vaccinated people against unvaccinated people. This crazy divide where you saw people that are just so scared of this virus that they were willing to cast aside their humanity and call people that were skeptical of the vaccine, call them like, call them plague rats.

I saw people call people wild shit, people that I knew. Yeah. I was like, what is wrong with you? You follow Eddie Bravo, right? Oh my God, he's one of my best friends. I know, I know. But so he put up a video the other day and it's like this compilation of this message that mainstream media had about COVID. Oh yeah. No one's safe. No one's safe.

No one. Yeah. Over and over and over. And then everybody, then you'll never get it. You'll never get sick. You'll never die. And then they all get it. And it's like this whole timeline where we see that lying and selling this fear the whole time and still never admitting it. Well, it's a narrative. They were given a narrative and they were told that this is the narrative that you're supposed to relay on television. How is that different than some- It's not. Some messed up country with some third world country. It's not. But they thought they could get away with doing it in this case because of a pandemic, because there's an emergency.

Yeah. And so that's why you have to be very careful about giving up any powers to the government during an emergency, because they'll capitalize on that. They're not stupid. They know this is an opportunity. Yeah. They can clamp down on you. You see that thing about the World Health Organization in the EU? This vaccine passport system that they've devised.

You see that? I retweeted it. People are freaking out about this. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, you don't give people power. Don't give people power

to do things they couldn't do before because they're going to keep it and they're going to expand. And if you don't fucking hold the line and you think it's a good thing to give in because we all have to be safe, like, oh my God. If you've got to be safe, then just tell people about it and the smart people will take it if it's a good thing to give in because we all have to be safe. Like, oh, my God. If you've got to be safe, then just tell people about it, and the smart people will take it if it's really safe.

But if you make them take it, then you can make them do things. If you make them do things and they don't want to do things, then you get to do things to them. You get to take away their money, take away their job, take away their ability to travel. Don't give in to that. You can't give in to that because you're giving that power to other human beings that you might not agree with. And you might not trust their judgment. And just because they won an election, that means they're smarter than you and they can sense what's really going on better than you. And maybe they're compromised by money.

And maybe it's clear that they're compromised by money. Maybe they're in a whole party that's compromised by money. It's in cahoots with a media organization that's compromised by money. And they all spit out the same narrative. And they can now tell you, you can't travel if you don't agree. And they don't have to be right. And they don't have to debate it openly. They don't have to have a consensus amongst all the intellectuals where they can do it anonymously, where they don't have any fear of repercussions of their career, which is a lot of people during this whole thing,

they didn't want to speak out about any of it. And the people that did got attacked and they got attacked directly by the government. There's like real clear organization involved in going after certain scientists that had a specific narrative, certain scientists that weren't toeing the line. Yeah, you had them on here.

Yeah, but not just those guys. There was a lot of other guys too. There's the people from the Great Barrington Declaration. World Health Organization Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus announced digital immunization vaccine certificates, which will be required to participate in society. So listen to this. While the emergency phase of the COVID-19 pandemic is now over, investments in digital infrastructure remain an important resource for health systems and for economies and societies at large. and for economies and societies at large. Like many countries, the European Union made significant investments in COVID-19 certificates

to help people move around as safely as possible during the pandemic. The European Union certification system was used by all 27 EU member states and more than 50 other countries. Building on the success of the EU system, WHO is proud today to launch the Global Digital Health Certification Network. Thank you so much to European Union for the excellent certification system that you have.

Here's the problem. Stop that for a second. It didn't work. No. Here's the problem. It's not even an effective vaccine. Right. Right?

I mean, maybe it saved lives in the beginning, but we read this study from the Cleveland Clinic the other day that was saying that overall in the Cleveland Clinic from the health workers, when they did a survey of them, the ones who got vaccinated the most got COVID the most, which is crazy. So it's not even like it just stops it dead in its tracks, like they were saying in the beginning of the pandemic. And yet they're still trying to implement this digital system where you have to take this medicine that they've showed didn't work that good. You know what it is though? So he said, That they've showed didn't work that good. You know what it is, though?

So he said, based on the success of whatever that was. Yeah. What success? So it reminds me of Biden getting on there right now. He's making posts every day about how successful they've been and the most jobs in the history of the presidency of the United States. And economy is coming back better. It's like. It's gaslighting. It's just 100% a lie.

It's just gaslighting. But also... They know it's not true. For them to do this, this is what everybody was worried about. Everybody was worried about some global system where you have to opt into it. You can't travel unless you do.

Everybody was worried about that. But he's saying on the heels of the success. That's so crazy. Yeah. It's so crazy because people are furious. The people that took the vaccine and still got COVID and got very sick

are furious they got lied to. Well, and the cancer in young adults is skyrocketing. The cancer numbers based on the vaccine, apparently. I don't know if that's true. I don't know what the studies say

and I don't know if anybody's doing studies, unfortunately. Yeah. But I don't know, you know, that's that correlation equals causation thing. But it's something to be concerned with. The uptick in just deaths is a weird thing to be concerned with. All-cause mortality is up.

Right. Which is weird. Well. And people want to attribute that to different things. Oh, people got, they were drinking a lot during the pandemic. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. But also another thing happened, too. remember that other thing where everybody had to take a shot. Like, how about that? How about no, why is no one considering that? Right. Like no one who's in these mainstream news organizations is looking

over these numbers and saying, do you have to be concerned if you've had a vaccine injury? Do you have to be concerned? have you had an adverse reaction do you hide those numbers they're not they're not trying to seek them out that's for sure they're not trying to ask people to come forward if you have yeah and we need to know the real numbers they're not running like some sort of a wide wouldn't you think they would do that yeah if you're going to do something if you cared about Society like you say right if you weren't in cahoots with an organization that could lose money based on these results, wouldn't you do that? You probably would. You should do that. We should know. And they should know the pharmaceutical drug company should know they shouldn't. Everyone should know what's the real result of this. And if it's positive, it's positive. It's a small amount of people that have side effects. Great. Okay. Great. But this is there's never been a time ever in our country where this was mandated on adults, where adults were told that they had to take a very specific medication in order to do things like go to work. That's crazy, especially experimental one with no long term data.

Yeah. And one that was just rolled out for the whole world. Very happy I didn't take it. Well, it was also watching the machine come after people yeah didn't take it and come after people like me who didn't take and got better quick well okay so this is like I was gonna ask you before yesterday where was Tucker Carlson because it seems like he just disappeared I was like did they kill him is he gone but that Twitter show yeah but then he made a show so I was like, did they kill him? Is he gone? He got a Twitter show.

Yeah. But then he made a show. So I was like, that screwed up my question to you. Cause I was like, have you heard, I'd never seen anybody disappear off the face of the earth like Tucker did until he, he just. Well, I think he probably had to get his legal ducks in a row. You know? I mean, it's, there's a big difference between like leaving, you know, a sitcom or something

and leaving Fox news when you're the number one guy. Yeah. like leaving, you know, a sitcom or something. Yeah. And leaving Fox News when you're the number one guy. Yeah. And there's all sorts of speculation about why, why would they get rid of the number one guy? Yeah. Like that doesn't make any sense. Business-wise, what is going on?

Unless the number one guy's got a body in his basement. Yeah. Like, hey, this is going to come out. I mean, let's just. He was gone, though. Right. I mean, there was no, I've never seen anybody just disappear. And then he, you know. Well, he made a couple a couple of videos made a short video right afterwards when they were attacking

yeah and then um it's like a month though they did a thing with uh twitter right yeah just recently two days ago it's um and did you see the views that got yeah crazy numbers 68 million crazy numbers and it's gonna it's gonna be the case. Like, by trying to silence that guy, they've made him gigantic. He's bigger than he's ever been. Okay, so then that's leading me to my other thank you for that. Because, so they tried to silence him. They tried to silence you. The White House mentioned you.

So how do people like you and Tucker beat the system in that regard and become uncancellable? Well, there's not uncancellable. Well, they tried everything with you. They're probably going to keep trying. That's just what they're doing. They're trying to discredit people that they think are a threat. And they have a very specific narrative in the White House. I mean, you see how that Peter Doocy guy gets into it with the white house press secretary all the time about illegal immigrants and about all the different things that are happening in the border and you know like what what is biden doing like what's happening in ukraine what's and when you see their resistance to any questioning like this particular white house press secretary lady well i'm trying to tell you. I feel like there's like testiness to it.

There's this condescending attitude. I mean, and I don't blame her. She's essentially like a cop that's been sent to quiet down a mob. Like, all right, folks, I know you all want to go back to your homes, but here's what's going on. Please, please in the back. You know, like it's a combative position. Like that Kayleigh McEnany lady, she was the best at it. Yeah, she was.

She's the fucking goat. She's the goat. And she always came correct with the notes. And she never lost her composure. She was able to, like, you're playing some kind of crazy verbal tennis match going back and forth. Yeah. But, you know, they had to talk about me. It was just a thing.

They had a narrative. And this narrative was you got to get vaccinated. And anybody who has anybody on that says that there's anything wrong with the vaccine, this is COVID misinformation. It's going to cost people lives. And there was no narrative that could compete with that. There's no like, you know, hey folks, it's really important to get your metabolic health in order. Hey folks, you need to be taking vitamin D. Everyone should supplement with vitamin D. The White House has ordered the increase in production of vitamin D and the distribution in areas all across the country. Hey, folks, you've got to lose weight.

There's all these studies that are coming out that are showing that overweight people are so much more susceptible. The percentage of people that wind up in the ICU, they all have four or more comorbidities. Let's try to chop those down. Legit info. Legit info, ladies and gentlemen. But they can't they can't say stop eating sugar and then fucking coca-cola's gonna go what the fuck are you doing that's my business we give this much money to the campaign if someone came on television like

an obama or uh like someone who's a like a person that people trust and said ladies and gentlemen if you're listening to me and you got a donut in your hand, put it down, please. This is what's killing us. If you look at photos of people on the beach, look at photos of people on the beach in 1970 and look at photos of the people on the beach today. Like we look gross. They want people controllable consumers.

Well, some factions of our society want people controllable consumers, but we are society and we don't have to accept that. And we've accepted it so long, but you don't have to fight against it. You just have to, you just have to not ever participate in it. And you have to make sure that everybody knows what it is and make it change the way it behaves because it's not legal anymore because it's not, it's, it's not accepted anymore because it's not it's it's not accepted you have to figure out a way like if you want to release a medication you you well you have to have access to the actual data not the data as interpreted by the scientists that have made it and that's one of the things that we learned about the whole process of peer review when it comes to

a lot of these pharmaceutical drugs that's how they sneak them in because they make a whole bunch of studies. And they just gear the study to make sure that they get the results they want, and that's the one they release. And all the ones that show that it does harm, they get rid of those studies. Yeah. And they bury them. We don't have access to them. Right.

That's crazy. And the only way that that's possible is through corruption. The only way that's possible is through corruption. The only way that's possible is through money. Because if we're really concerned about the human beings that are having to take this medication, there should be a completely independent body that does all these examinations. Third party, I mean. But I mean completely independent. Don't you do it with your supplements? Yes, we did. The double blind study?

Well, not just that. We actually sent them off to third party. We had to do that because we found out early on when we were making AlphaBrain that when we would make our supplements, whether it was AlphaBrain or Shroom Text Board, I forget which one it was, but we had sent it out

and then we did a third party study. We found vitamins that were in there that weren't in the original formula. And it was just trace amounts and we realized that they were using the same bins for alpha brain that they maybe were using for like vitamin b12 or this and that so you're getting like contaminated stuff so you have to realize okay well now we're dealing with a irreparable vendor vendor they're not doing the right thing so now we have to switch switch people that make it or not vendor manufacturers we have to switch manufacturers yeah so we had to do that and we had to we had it was a like a trial and error Thing we have to realize that but so if you're that committed for supplements, yeah more committed than for medicine. It's crazy

It's what we did it because we wanted to know like in the beginning like a lot of people were saying that like alpha brain was Snake oil and I was like listen we should fund a study. We should fund a study so we funded a study for the boston center of memory we did a pilot study and then we did another study and it showed all sorts of positive increases in verbal memory it's uh alpha flow state uh reaction time there was good solid data that showed in actually like half the dose that i take when i take alpha brain there was positive results and. And so that was very reassuring because I'm like, I can't, I don't believe this is a placebo because it works too well. And there's too much anecdotal evidence. There's too much evidence about some of the ingredients. And when you put them together synergistically, it only makes sense that it would work better. It does. That's beautiful. I just want that same

type of commitment to medicine. See what,, the thing is the FDA with supplements, it's just kind of squirrely. You don't have to do that. Supplements are squirrely because there's not a lot of regulation when it comes to vitamin supplements. Part of me thinks that's good because there's companies like Pure Encapsulations, right, which has a phenomenal reputation. They make the best stuff. like Pure Encapsulations, right? It has a phenomenal reputation. They make the best stuff.

And so when I see Pure Encapsulations, it sells whatever various supplements, I tend to lean towards buying them because I know it's a really great brand. But you can buy some shady shit. It's made somewhere that has like half the efficacy. Like I know some guys who did some third-party tests on some supplements, and they found it was like 25% what it was supposed to be in terms of dosage

and 25% active ingredients. So it's like you've got to get it from people that you trust, but the problem is along the way people are going to get fucked, and people do. And it happens with UFC fighters. They get tainted supplements. It happens all the time, or it used to happen all the time. The guys became more careful. But if you go to USADA's website, when they

show for the athletes, they have a list of supplements that you should avoid because they've been determined to have illegal substances. It's a fucking shitload. How many of them are on the USADA website? It was a shitload, right? It was like just

label after label after label. So it's unregulated. I just want that same level of testing for what they're pushing to society. Well, they should want to do it just like we wanted to do it for AlphaBrain. But the problem is if they wanted to do it and they have all this money invested in it, and it turns out that that thing is not as effective as they've been advertising, what do they do now? Well, what we think they do is they fund studies that make it look like it's more effective than it is, or they gear the study to make it look like it's more effective than it is in a very particular way. And then they release that. And then they come up with justification. And that's what they did with

Vioxx. And there's a paper trail. You can see how they coordinated this and how they knew. They even said, we know there's going to be people going to have some problems, but we're going to do very well with this. Yeah. Which is a crazy thing to say when you're talking about people's lives. It's a business model. But it's what that business is. If you're in the business of being a vampire, and I'm like, why aren't you growing flowers? Because he's a fucking vampire.

Like wolves are in the business of being wolves. Right. And those CEOs that are just in the business of making the most money possible, when they get access to the kind of loot that they made during the pandemic, they're addicted to that now. That's the new thing. Wasn't there like, wasn't it something crazy? Like 40 new billionaires were made during the pandemic.

Yeah. Yeah. Why? They were balling. They're balling. So that's their business. That's what they do. They're going to continue doing what they do if you allow them to do it that way.

Right. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be in business. Of course they should be in business. They make dick pills. Yeah. They make all kinds of good stuff. They make diabetes medication. I love dick pills.

Pandemic creates new billionaires every 30 hours. Now a million people could fall into extreme poverty at the same rate in 2022. Yeah. Whoa. 173 people became a billionaire. Whoa. Oh, I thought that we're just talking about the United States. Is that the world?

In the world? I don't know. That can't be in the United States. We have 573 billionaires? Jeez. Probably the world, I guess. Yeah, they might come after us if that's true. Yeah.

It's nerve-wracking, man, because the people that have that kind of money and that kind of power, they want to maintain that position, power they want to maintain that position and they want To maintain that influence over people and the best way to maintain it is to like tighten down on what people are allowed to do Yeah, well they have to comply. I mean the CEO of Pfizer There was a famous speech where he's giving was talking about a pill that you would have to take that Sends off a signal to show that you've taken it. And he says, imagine the compliance. This is what he says. Yeah, of course.

Have you seen him say that? No. Let's find that. Find where he says that. Because it's so bonkers. Like compliance. Like, oh, God. You know what I mean?

Comply. You're making people go. So you force that word, that term, just the thought process behind that statement is so crazy. Encourage would be better. Comply like you have no choice. Here it says, edited to cut important context. CEO Albert Borer explains, so what is the actual?

But it's okay. It says the video discussing ingestible pills with sensors has gone viral, falsely presented as an interview from 2022, and edited to cut out important context. One Twitter user shared the clip on May 20 here, commenting Pfizer CEO Albert Borla explains Pfizer's new tech to Davos crowd, ingestible

pills, a pill with a tiny chip to send a wireless signal to relevant authorities when the pharmaceutical has been digested. Imagine the compliance, he says. Now, is that really what he said? So what does he really say? What's cut out if he says that? See, this is one of those things where you got to wonder if they're trying to gaslight

you with the headline. He commented on biological sensors during a conversation on general technological advances in healthcare and pharmaceuticals. So what has he said? In response to a question from the audience, ideas to engage patient, he calls the research and field fascinating. He says that there's already a pill approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. He moves on to describe this pill and where the clip version seen on social media begins, and he later concludes, but of course there will be an initial cost and someone needs to invest. Boyler was not talking about a Pfizer drug or technology.

Rather, he was describing Abilify, my site, a drug with a digital ingestion traction system. Right? So that is it. Okay. For the treatment of schizophrenia, acute treatment of manic and mixed episodes associated with bipolar one disorder, and for use as an add on treatment for depression in adults. So he was talking about a different pill, but he was talking about a pill with a sensor. But the point is that is true.

So they can say, well, it's for this schizophrenia or manic. So that's why they, that's how they got it approved. But now it's out there. Right. Well, now it's an actual technology and if they can mandate right a medication that you have to take so they make something else they make it sound good by oh that maybe that would help those people but now it can be used on everybody yeah so here it says that so it basically is a biological chip that is in in the tablet and once

you take the tablet and dissolves in your stomach it sends a signal that you in the tablet. And once you take the tablet and it dissolves in your stomach, it sends a signal that you took the tablet. So imagine the applications of that. Compliance. Okay. So did he say imagine the applications of that, compliance, and then they edit it to say imagine the compliance? I think that's what it's saying.

Let's see him say it. I was going to say we should play the video. Yeah, let's play the video. Let's play the say it. Here's the... I was going to say, we just want to play the video. Yeah, let's play the video. And then... Let's play the video. ...it would be this one. It is basically a biological chip that it is in the tablet. And once you take the tablet and dissolves into your stomach, it sends a signal that

you took the tablet. So imagine the applications of that compliance. The insurance companies to know that the medicines that patients should take, they do take them. It is fascinating what happens in this field. That doesn't comfort me. If that's what you really said. But he's saying, so if you have a schizophrenic patient. Right, and they have to take it.

To know that they did or didn't take their medicine like they're supposed to. Yes. But yeah, you could use that on anything then. You could use it on anything. Once they get it down the whatever approved, then it's there. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

And once it's been applied before, they can apply it to other things. And if they can mandate that everybody takes a medication, they have that. For health and safety. Especially if you have an application. Now, if you have an application, this World Health Organization digital passport, it sends a signal to your passport. And if you don't, you're not going anywhere. And they just say it's for health and safety. It's all bonkers.

Yeah. And the fucking headline that they had to that is like, that's that thing that they do. They twist shit around. Yeah. We were reading this thing about Al Pacino. There's this whole article. Yeah. Yeah.

We were reading this thing about Al Pacino. There's this whole article, and the type of the article was Al Pacino feels like, reports are that Al Pacino felt like the girl hoodwinked him, and this and that. And then below that, in small letters, after we talked to him, that's not true. So the head- So look at this, look at this, check out this fucking, here we'll go back. Look at this. So this is a really special coming at this time. Al Pacino, 83, breaks silence to celebrate 29-year-old girlfriend's pregnancy

after claims he demanded a paternity test because she hoodwinked him. The actor revealed he and his girlfriend, Noor Al Fawla, were expecting last week. Initial reports claim that Al was not pleased over the news. Sources told Daily Mail That wasn't true, which he has now confirmed then why so he's confirmed. It's not true still in the headline, right? But that's in little tiny letters. Yeah below the big headline that says Break silence to celebrate 29 year old girlfriend's pregnancy after claims that he demanded paternity test because she hoodwinked him. Yeah claims claims

By who? Yeah, but that's a headline. So they're allowed to do that. Just like they were allowed in that last headline That's what drives me crazy. So what was the last headline go back? I sort of understand this one because there were a bunch of claims that he was mad and they're like No, no, no, no, no, no, not the appicino one go back to the other headline the borla one what was the headline that discredited what we did it says that it's pfizer show it yeah it's right there and it's not pfizer's tech is the problem okay so it's but it's new tech yeah whether it's fine it's still the ceo of pfizer it's at the world economic forum it was also in 2018 and they're saying that this was new and a year ago well it's not even if it's ago. Even if it's 2018, it's still crazy.

Yeah, it is. It's still crazy. And I get it that it was pre-pandemic, so it's a different thing. And in application for schizophrenics, I understand that as well. I know people that are schizophrenic, and I know people that go off their medication and lose their fucking mind. And it's dangerous. It's weird. It would probably—

When Brody was off his medication. Right. There was a moment when Brody was around the store when he was off his medication and people were trying to get him back on it. And, you know, he was really struggling. And I've seen it. You know, so if you had a situation like that where you can ensure that Brody was taking his medication, maybe Brody would still be with us. I don't know. But maybe he would be okay.

Maybe. But it's also he's a human being. And, like, maybe you should just try to get someone to be with him and make sure he takes his medication rather than forcing a new technology down the throats of everyone for a very small percentage of people that absolutely have to take medication or they go crazy. Because most people don't have to do that. Right. So to have that kind of tech available, that freaks me out. I don't like it. And especially if you fall into this idea that they're prepared for something like this happening, because if it did, they had sort of an idea of how to implement this sort of a system.

And one of the best ways to implement this sort of a system would be some sort of a pandemic, where you have new authorizations, new rules, new abilities to tell people to shut the fuck up and stay in your house. So the fact that that was 2018 doesn't mean they were probably talking about this pandemic back there. Well, they're definitely talking about a potential for a pandemic. They've been doing that forever. I know, you know, and because human beings have them, they happen all the time. So one last thing, because because so what's your thoughts on having tucker on the show what are you trying to do make a fucking viral clip no you're doing here cam haynes no but because i'm always like if people are trying to cancel somebody

i want to hear from that person yeah Yeah, I want him to sort all this stuff out because I want to find out what's going on with Fox News, but I'd be interested in talking to him. I think the whole thing is very fascinating because he was one of the only guys that was kind of going against the corporate narrative. They're in a lawsuit because he even put that Twitter video up apparently now. So you're not even allowed

to put a Twitter video up? They're saying Fox, according to this article, says that breached his contract. He might have had a non-compete or something, and then they're saying Fox is trying to silence his First Amendment rights. Yeah. So they kick you off a show. Can they say you can't use social media?

Depends on your contract. Wow. Is it possible that his contract said when they kick him off the show that he can't make a video on social media? It depends. That's where I would go, like putting up

an edited 10 minute thing that looks like a show and if he has a non-compete that says you can't make a show then that's what their point is i don't know interesting so that's an interesting little battle i wonder if he was like walking down a sidewalk saying that same thing yeah okay yeah there might be a way for him to do it yeah maybe he's doing a jet ski yeah i mean because it was kind of a studio setting yeah so maybe maybe you should just put a fucking iphone on a jet ski and just drive around just talk to people that'd be kind of probably there's a way yeah there's probably a way around the loophole and i just don't like i just don't like i think he does fish i know he fishes a lot it's a big time fly fisher i don I don't like when the government or whoever, these corrupt TV channels try to cancel somebody. I'm like, I want to hear from him now.

Yeah. And so he was the number one guy. Now they don't want anybody to hear his voice. And everybody wants to hear his voice. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bad move on their part. But I think it was a business move.

move on their part but i think it was a business move if i had to guess i had to guess someone that was one of their sponsors or someone that owns a piece was very upset with his positions that he was taking some very controversial positions about a lot of things including intelligence agencies the fucking guy out and out said cia killed kennedy on fox news who he did yes tucker carlson out and out said the CIA... See, I trust that guy. I mean, I don't know. I don't know why, but I trust him. I want to hear from him.

I trust him more than I trust Don Lemon. Yeah. I don't know if, you know, I don't know him. I don't know what he's actually like. But Rinella loved having him on the show. like but ranella loved having him on the show he's saying he's like people that did like ideologically opposed to him who worked with with ranella when they did the media like fuck i hate to say i really like the guy tulsi said he's a great guy he goes you guys would get along i bet you would and so that's get that motherfucker to run up the mountain it's just frustrating

i don't know i'm just like so frustrated so I know I know you hate the politics but like I do selfishly I want to hear from these people and I'm like well and you're so good at fucking getting to the bottom of everything I'm like selfishly I want you to even though I know you don't want to and I get it and it's your show obviously you'll do what you want to talk about cats hitting dicks with Theo Vaughn. I know. I know. I mean, that's fun to listen to also. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.

I'm concerned about society. I'm concerned. I am, too. I am, too. And I'm concerned that it seems like there's the most transparent power struggle that I've ever seen. Yeah. Because the power struggle is even in regards to like popular Democrats It's it's not even about popularity anymore

It used to be like who's the most popular Democrat and that popular Democrat they would run against a Republican That seemed to be how it always went. I'm sure there was a lot of fucking funny business going on Yeah, but if some someone was uniquely popular they would essentially you know they went went out in the debates And you remember all those days. Yeah. There's debates and you like the fucking power would shift and it looked like this guy was going to win. But then she came along and then he was there was always like that. And now they don't want to do that anymore. They don't even want to have debates, which seems insane.

It seems insane that we tolerate that, that they just want to hold on to the position like, nope, we're not going to have any sort of primary debates. That isn't that a part of what we've always done? Shouldn't you watch ideas battle it out against the other ideas? Shouldn't you see how someone stands up to the pressure of these national discussions about very important issues that are affecting us all? I want to know how people weather that storm. That's the whole point to it. That's the whole point to it. And it's the whole point is to give people a chance to watch these people express themselves and decide for yourself.

Yeah. Intelligently. And if they're in cahoots where the media is only putting out a negative version of this one person and you got people like Hillary Clinton that are saying that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset and crazy talk, crazy talk. I know. But all that stuff, if that's what gets out and then you don't let that person talk and you won't let that person debate and you know that and that's what happened to tulsi after the whole thing with kamala harris i know we're done with you you know it's enough we did that uh 50 for the fallen over where over in hawaii with tulsi and we walked by and where she oh she, she's like,

oh, I live right there in the house. It was like the most normal house in the normal neighborhood. I'm like, no wonder I like her. It's a normal person. The most normal person ever, but just like a strong leader.

And I'm like, this is, to me, it was beautiful. It is. She's an amazing person and, uh, unfairly maligned because of,

uh, ideological, like tribes that people lump themselves in. If you're on this side, she's demonized. And you hear people talk about her at parties and you hear people talk about her at places. You have to kind of go along with it. You have to agree with it. And you saying that Hillary was saying she was a Russian asset just made me think that I'm like, oh my God, how, how crazy is that? It's insane to say. And it's also insane that people didn't push back against it. People weren't furious about it. It's a crazy thing to say. Person who served overseas in a medical unit, um, twice and, and like developed

that white streak in her hair while she was there just from the stress of treating fallen soldiers. It's fucked up. And it's this weird world that we live in. And I think things go in cycles. And I think part of the cycle is the recognition of how fucked up things are now where new people have to come along that aren't fucked up and that these people then get the will of the people behind them and if there's enough power and there's enough influence and there's enough votes there's enough people that just overwhelmingly believe things then the powers that be have to play ball with this new person and hopefully they don't kill that guy like they killed his uncle and killed his brother or killed his father rather well and you know I start I'm feeling like

I'll just tell you I feel like when I used to go see my grandma I used to want to try to get out of there and she used to keep bringing up things so I didn't leave that's how I feel like right now with you because I feel like we've been talking forever and I keep bringing up the shit so I'm I'm trying not to like lock you guys in here it's okay but. But, uh, um, she said one thing, you know, when we were talking is like, it just gives perspective to, to what she stands for. But she said when she was serving overseas and she would leave the base, there was a sign. I don't know if she said this on the, on your podcast, but she'd leave the base and there's a sign that said is today the day. I'm pretty sure it was something like that is today the day. And that's serving over there wondering, is today the day you're not coming back?

Because that's a very real thing. But the fact that she volunteers to do that, gave up, you know, she had a political seat, I think, at that time even in Hawaii. And to go serve and then face like what our troops face over there, fighting for a greater purpose. serve and then face like what our troops face over there fighting for a greater purpose and seeing that as today the day it's like that's the type of person i think should be in politics yeah that or a person who really doesn't want the job yeah some fucking elon musk type character someone who's just very smart who's like enough is enough. This is what needs to be done. Some genius billionaire type character who really understands the system and can adequately relay that message to people.

So that's the problem with being a president. You can't just be great at these ideas. You also have to have a certain amount of charisma. There's a certain amount of appeal, which is crazy because Biden won, right? But there's a certain amount of charisma there's a certain amount of appeal like you're which is crazy because biden won right but there's a certain amount of but they they but he won because they didn't want trump in it's real clear there no one was real pumped about now he's an anti-trump yeah it's an anti-trump it was anyone but trump that was what that vote was and the crazy thing is that's like more than trump it's like more than the country wanted anyone but like very few people

were excited about that choice because maybe some people in the beginning thought it would be like Obama take two, you know, it'd be more reasonable. And then I think that, that illusion that dissolved fairly quickly. So here we are in this weird place where, um, it doesn't look good. There's international conflict with Russia. There's all these war hawks that are causing, calling for, you know, more escalation. The warmongers making money off it. There's people dismissing Trump's idea that he could solve it.

Yeah. There's, you know, there's a lot of weirdness going on in the world. And then there's AI and then there's UFOs and everything's happening at the same time. It's really one of the wildest times ever to be alive. When it comes to just life-changing events, world-changing events that can happen at a blink of an eye, at any given moment, at any given moment, something could break out with Russia and Ukraine that would change history forever.

I mean, change human civilization forever. It's scary. It's that scary and the people that dismissed that fear are oh my god what do you that's like he won't shoot me like what are you talking about people get shot all the time like there's histories riddled with accounts of people doing horrific things mm-hmm you know we went back to the story of the the Mongols earlier there there's a story of this guy who is the chorus me and Shaw and it's in the it's in the Dan Carlin hardcore history series of

The Wrath of the Khan where they're going to Jin China and along the way they have to abandon their in China and along the way they have to abandon their convoy because the roads are so destroyed that they can't travel on them because they're so thick with human bodies that have decayed that the roads are all mud and they see what they thought in the distance was a snow covered peak. And as they get closer, they realize it's a pile of bones. They killed everyone. They killed everyone in the city and stacked them on top of each other and left. That's human beings. And human beings have been doing horrific

things like that. The idea that they won't do it now, that's the same ridiculous idea as no one will invade. We won't do that. He won't do that. He won't. Of course they do. That's what people have done. History is filled with stories of people invading countries of war breaking out of horrific death and destruction. The idea that you can just push, push, push aggressively against this and there's not going to be some sort of global repercussion. part is we have a lot of people like there's a Native American story that this village was being attacked and the the men drove stakes into the ground tied themselves to the stakes let the women and children take off and would stand there and fight till they died because they were tied there we have men that'll similarly do that we'll fight to the the end to do what's right. So yeah, we can get pushed or we can push other people, but there's still people out there

who will fight to the death for what they believe in. That's why we need vaccine passports to keep those people in their homes and take their guns away. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of it is all connected, unfortunately. And they're also capitalizing on these horrific events that do happen with mass shootings.

But one thing you never hear discussed is what, if any, are the correlations between mass shooting and psych medications. Right. Yeah. I know. They don't want to talk about that. The vast majority of those people are on some stuff. The vast majority. But no one is looking at that as a potential cause.

They're looking at it as, you know, not causation, but maybe correlation because they're crazy in the first place, which is why they're taking medication. Not that the medication allowed them to do something horrific. It's this weird thing where people are like doing the work for the companies. They don't want to believe they got duped

so they'll stand, they'll argue in favor of these gigantic pharmaceutical drug companies that don't give a fuck about them. They'll argue in favor of the military

industrial complex's influence over the politicians that they support. Like their team has to win. Like it's a bizarre way of looking at things that people have. And it's very difficult for people to look at it objectively and to really step back and take a good look at it. Like, wow, this is not optimal by any stretch of the imagination. Like these people that are running things are full of shit.

A lot of them are buffoons. They're not exemplary. They're not the people that you want running a society no you know if chris williamson that guy was running for president i go hey so smart he's so fucking smart why don't he be president i mean he can't he's from the uk what's i even when biden was young he was like he would just talk down to people egotistical makeup lies about his grades he would He would demean people. But that was then, bro. He's better now. He's changed.

After two brain surgeries. So he was never good. No, he was never the best guy. You know, what is that Obama quote? Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up. Did he really say that? I don't know. It's a great quote if he did.

Yeah, I don't want that fact checked. Yeah, I know. That's like I saw this article once that fact checked yeah i know that's like uh i saw this article once that said that sperm uh cures women's depression and i fucking slammed my laptop shut i'm gonna go with that enough i have read enough yeah follow ready to argue this to the death trust science seems to be on it's uh maybe accurate it's not unproven. It was set off the record to someone. Oh, he said it. I bet he said it. He's smart.

I'm going to go with that. Come on, if you work with that guy, you wouldn't be saying shit like that? The last thing on my notes. You got notes? Remember the tic-tac-toe? Yeah. So you said something about

when you're young about fear. Yeah. Do you like hunting bear? So you said something about when you're young about fear. Yeah. Is that, do you think, do you like hunting bear? Or are you worried about grizzlies or black bear? I'm definitely worried about them. The fear part of it? First of all, I think there's something good about eating a predator.

I really believe that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How come? I don't know. I like doing it. I like eating them. I know. I like the idea behind that. I like the idea behind that clip where you said something, and who, God, who's your friend?

He's bald, comic. Bill Burr. And he's like, no, you fucking lunatic. Because you said something about if you eat elk, do you feel stronger? I said, do you get more aggressive? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but to your point. I only ate one meal. I'm a lunatic, aggressive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but to your point. But he only ate one meal. I'm a lunatic too. In my defense. Because when I eat, when I eat bear. Yeah. I fucking. Yeah.

I think it's true. Feel invincible. I think it's true. This is it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I've been chowing it for like four days. Like out of respect for that fucking elk that you shot. It's like, I'm eating all this shit. I don't care if it's fucking bad. Does it make you more aggressive? no joe you're fucking lunatic somebody gets in my face that might cause me to get more lunatic i ate a little bit of protein you had to beat the fuck out of people for like three decades.

Yeah, no, but when, so maybe there is something to it. The predator eating the pet. I think so. When I eat bear, I don't know. Well, people do say that when you eat meat, like a lot of people that get on the carnivore diet, one of the things they say is it feels like it ramps up your aggression. Hicks and Gracie used to say that. Hicks and Gracie, when he was training for a fight, he'd eat a lot of red meat. And there's a video of him from the movie Choke of him going to a butcher store and picking out big pieces of sirloin to barbecue. And he would say that red meat increases your aggression. And he was a guy who was a yogi, very tuned into his body. I think it makes sense. If you're an animal that eats grass, well, you don't really have to be aggressive.

No. Because you're not chasing anything. You're a prey. You're not going after anything. You're a prey. If you think about vegans, you think of like, other than being hysterical, which is probably like they're not getting the proper vitamins, not getting B12, there's a lot of shit going wrong, not getting a lot of cholesterol, a lot of shit.

But other than that, it's like you would imagine like a calm or peaceful type person because they're just eating fucking squash right and shit you know but yeah i think if you eat things that are difficult to acquire like elk and deer and and bear i think in it particularly if you eat predators it just makes sense that you're consuming some of the essence of what that thing is and There's so much protein in these wild animals It's but it's also because there's so much leaner like that's the thing with like, you know certified Piedmontese. You know what that is? Certified Piedmontese is a specific type of cattle that they grow their cattle. It's all free range.

They're all grass fed, grass finished. And it's very lean, almost like wild game. But it has more protein per ounce than the average beef. And the reason being is because it doesn't have as much fat. It's just logic. It's just science. And if you look at an elk and compare it to a cow like cows have so much more fat yeah so there's like there's less that's a certified piedmontese cow hey can you look up the protein content in meat just so we

can see it's much much higher in like it doesn't have bear elk it's good i'm sure it does i'm sure it does i bet it's very high i haven't seen bear on there. Well, it's very fatty. Maybe in a fatty cut, it wouldn't be as high because you've got, you know, like the mass of it. Like if you have 16 ounces of it and four ounces that are fat versus an elk where it's like half an ounce of fat, you're going to have much more protein. But then also the elk is that rich color. It just looks like a super muscle. Quality, yeah. You just know that this is super fuel

is what we call it. Super fuel. The difference between grass-fed beef and grain-fed beef. What the fuck's bear? They must have it in there. Nope. They don't have it? Well, that's just one little thing. What's alligator? Alligator's pretty hot. Oh, there's a bear over there. Yeah. Okay, what does it say

there? Boy, that's blurry. It says 32.8. 32.8? That's the most over there. Yeah. Okay, what does it say there? Boy, that's blurry. It says 32.8. 32.8. That's the most. Oh, my God. As opposed to, what's the other ones have for protein? Can you make that? It's really bad.

I was trying, I can't see the rest of it. You can't click on it? That's from Vortex's website. Oh, there it goes. Yeah. Okay, so protein, 33 grams. Deer is 38. Turkey is 36.

Moose is 37. And elk is 38. Okay, that's more than I've seen. It's the least. But I think that makes sense because of the amount of fat they have. Yeah, see the fat, though? But that's got to be good fat. You know what I mean?

Well, they say it's the best fat. Yeah. Like, Rinella. And it's got the most calories. See that? Oh, yeah, a lot of calories. 260. I mean, you cannot beat that fuel. Yeah. It's uh, Rinella. And it's got the most calories. See that? Oh, yeah. A lot of calories. 260.

I mean, you cannot beat that fuel. Yeah. It's good fuel for sure. And it's just interesting to me that that was the preferred meat of the early settlers. Yeah. That says a lot. It sadly does. That's survival. Yeah.

They're trying to survive. They're not, this isn't a comfort time like it's now. Also, bears are probably pretty fucking common back then. You know, if there's no predators of of bears like just imagine what they experienced when they first got here and you know Native Americans didn't even have horses yet, right? So they weren't riding horses and chasing after these animals. They probably weren't that effective at diminishing their populations either Especially becomes things like elk and deer and running up in the mountains and shit. Imagine what that was like. Like when Lewis and Clark, like you've read the journals from Lewis and Clark when they

talk about, they talk about just crazy animals everywhere. I couldn't imagine. It must have been wild. Yeah. It must have been amazing. Yeah. Like what we think of when we think of public land today, high pressure areas, lots of hunters, elk that are scared to bugle. They're going to diminish populations, a lot of trucks on the trailhead.

Imagine none of that. Imagine zero, just wolves and bears and mountain lions and deer and elk and antelope and just everywhere. No cities, no use of resources by human beings. So everything is just in its natural state. Yeah. So anytime there's a place like this area right here where there's a lot of water, that's why there's so many fucking arrowheads here.

Yeah. An article I just read was saying that when they started selling the teddy bear to represent Teddy Roosevelt is when people stopped eating them because they were so cute. Wow. And you know, Teddy Roosevelt was a fucking beast. He was a big time hunter. That's when they stopped eating them?

Why people aren't eating it. It says like hunters can't sell it. And then the biggest reason I figure like is this is because Wow should have been before Disney you know so same reason but just earlier I guess it says the whole teddy bear thing was the Bambi moment for bears mm-hmm makes sense well it makes sense but it's it's a it's dangerous for people it's dangerous for people to do that to put human characteristics on animals and just think that those animals are your friends like Jesus Christ.

Did you, it's funny you mentioned the arrowhead. I was running the other day, the day that those shoes came out for pre-order, but I was running and I was like, look down where I run almost every day an arrowhead. Whoa. Yeah, sticking up out of the ground. Oh, that's amazing.

Yeah, well, it was halfway in the ground. Had it rained recently? No, I mean, let me think. I don't think it was halfway in the ground. Had it rained recently? No. I mean, let me think. I don't think it had. So it might have been sitting there for a long time. Or a plant. Oh, no.

It looks real. Like maybe someone knew you run that way. It came here. He's got my fake arrowhead. I put it up, but I mean- This is a real one. This is a real one. Yeah, yeah.

Look at that one. That one's perfect. It looked- That is awesome. How awesome is that one? That is beautiful. Yeah. See, where we are now one's perfect. It looked, that is awesome. How awesome is that one? That is beautiful. Yeah. See, where we are now was where the Comanche used to hunt.

That's why you see like these streets out here named like Quanta Parker Lane. Yeah, watch this. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. So that. Dude, that's a good one. I know. Oh, my God.

So I was running and picked it up. Oh, man. As I got up there. And I said, I don't know if it's a sign because of, because of the day of my shoes, but I'm just going with the coincidence. Dude, you should frame that one. Yeah. You should frame that one.

There's some people that say you're supposed to leave them there to those people. I say, fuck you. I mean, what are you talking about? Leave them. I love, I don't know. There's the tradition. The native American tradition is like an archery specifically. Yeah love i don't know there's the tradition the native american tradition is like an archery specifically yeah i don't know there's something that just stirs me i gotta be honest

though i wouldn't be comfortable with the the size of the cut that little arrowheads make oh yeah yeah that made me nervous i you gotta make a good shot with that thing but i bet you get a lot of penetration with this is a good one right here. That's a good one. Yeah, that's to wall up something big. I just thought it was cool. Very cool. I run that all the time.

Look how little that arrowhead is. Maybe that was for squirrels or something. I don't know. It looks good, though. It does. Doesn't it? It's amazing craftsmanship. Someone said it looks like a bird point.

Ah, a bird point. Oh, okay. Probably was a bird point. That makes sense. Yeah. Makes sense because there's a lot of quail i mean i run this trail it's just it's just amazing that's awesome because i ran and i was like you know how you think you see something so i ran up and i turned around i was like did i just

see i thought i saw a point sticking out and i went back sure as shit i found one when i was bow hunting with ranella i was bow hunting with raninella in Nevada, in the high desert country. You guys were mule deer hunting, weren't you? Mule deer hunting. Wasn't it fucking tough? It was very tough. Yeah. It was awesome, though.

It was really cool. Really cool. Really hard, tough hunt on public land up there, and it's really interesting because you really got to play it carefully. You got to really play the wind. You got to really play when they're bedding. You got to creep up on them. I've killed a buck there in the in the uh rubies i crawled we we we made our

way like about a half a mile to this uh isolated patch of trees and i crawled in for like an hour until i got within bow range and as i'm creeping forward my bow fell over fell over fell over. Fell over? Fell over. Like I was moving forward and it leaned up against this bush. And it spooked the buck? Because I'm creeping like this. Yeah. I'm creeping like this.

I move it and I put it in. Yeah. Clank. Boink. Yeah, that's not good. It was horrible. It was horrible. Yeah.

I've put crawling like that, I've put it on my back. Like sitting on my back and then I'm just crawling. So I've got two knees and two hands yeah and it's just kind of sitting resting on my back and then so i can stay low sometimes because otherwise you got to keep leapfrogging it the problem was i was in a corridor it was like a little trail with these bushes to the side of it so it was really good for cover so yeah creeping i see and so just putting the bow ahead of me and creeping up putting the bow ahead of me clunk yeah they don't they don't like i fucked up they don't like noise like that i was barefoot oh i had socks on too i gave a shout out to uh uh randy olmer yeah randy that's where i learned about uh taking socks off from him

talking about taking your shoes off there's some there's certain people out there who have so much of my respect i mean i know i know i talk shit about steve's brother i got a lot of respect for steve or noah but randy omer i got a lot of respect for his brother too i just think it's you know i get i don't like that he feels like he's out it's hateful it's unfortunate he does that but i think it just feels like he's out of the conversation yeah people want to that probably be frustrating too. Yeah. They have their own opinion on things and they don't think that people are doing it the right way and they have a very ethical stance on things.

I get it. Yeah. No, it's fine. But I was just going to say Randy Ulmer is like, was a godfather of archery when I was coming up. You know, he's so good. Killed so many good animals. Such a great shot. And they're just these legendary know, he's so good. Killed so many good animals. Such a great shot. And they're just these legendary figures

and he's one of them. He's such an interesting guy to hear talk about it too. So smart. Yeah. So smart. Wasn't he a dentist? A veterinarian. Veterinarian.

Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So just a very smart guy to begin with and then becomes obsessed with archery. And he was the first guy that I heard of that had like a bunch of different releases. Yeah. so he never knew how it was going to go off so he could never think about it yeah i know interesting he i mean so intellectual in regard

to archery yeah very measured nothing was luck with him it was just like very calculated but if if you ever have time look, there's two other guys who, who died, who I think you would just be fascinated by. Uh, Paul Schaefer was one incredible bow hunter out of Montana. And then, um, uh, it called him the last wild man, Bart Shiler. Both of them died in the mountains. Roy told me of Bart Shiler, Bart Shiler got eaten by a grizzly when he was moose hunting but he he would make his own bow flint out his own arrowheads and kill animals sheep jesus christ yeah roy worked with him at foster's taxidermy in alaska and he's just like he goes dude there's

this guy bart he goes he's incredible And if Roy's saying somebody's incredible. Right. So there's these, there's these outliers larger than life figures, you know, that, that Paul Schaefer, he's got a book called, or somebody wrote a book about him called silver tip. And, uh, these guys used to shoot 90 or a hundred pound recurves. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Silver tip, Paul Schaefer.

That's crazy. A hundred pound recurve jesus christ yeah silver tip paul schaefer that's crazy 100 pound recurve yeah yep so that's the last wild that's bart schuyler right there so this guy was just a legend bart schuyler yeah right there is there any books about these guys what is that the last wild man is that a story it's an article at least in outdoor life yeah if not more than that i found it here yeah you never so he worked at the like i said worked with roy or he worked at foster's taxidermy and roy would go and talk to him wow and it's just crazy well it's it's always interesting to me that there's people that take a thing like bow hunting and just go way out there with it just way out there past where everybody else is going yeah and make your own arrows make

your own arrowheads make your own bow go hunt moose and get eaten by a grizzly bear dude is that the guy that got eaten yeah maybe bring a gun maybe bring a gun too there's something beautiful about going out that way i think i mean it's like i'd rather fucking boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom he's out he's out living at the highest level and sometimes there's a price to pay that's true i mean he's he's um johnny was a school boy didn't well shooting star i mean that that's true. I mean, Johnny was a schoolboy. He's a shooting star. I mean, that's true, but also I was thinking Nietzsche. I think he said something like that. So both of them.

Well, I think that song appeals to Nietzsche. It's like the hero. That's the Joseph Campbell character, the hero's journey, the exceptional one that everybody admires. That's what everybody wants in some strange way and even if it's just for yourself even if you're just one person just prove to yourself that you're doing something that no one else is doing there's always these people that do things like that whether it's uh you know david goggins or you or alex honnold who's climbing mountains with no fucking ropes there's always these people that are out there pushing the envelope of what's possible.

And there's a great value in those people. That's why when someone talks shit about you, I'm like, it's so stupid. It's so dumb. Because you're discounting all the positive. For you to have only a negative take on someone like you is foolish. Or someone like Goggins. Or someone like Jocko or someone like any anyone who's got an overall net positive effect on people and a positive influence on

people it's just foolish and it's it's really that quote it's the tragic result of unmet needs that's a lot of it a lot of us people just they want they don't they don't like other people being better than them they don't like other people doing better than them they don't like other people being better than them. They don't like other people doing better than them. They don't like that feeling. They don't like the feeling of comparing themselves to someone. It's a natural thing that animals have. It's just human instincts. We're flawed.

We're all flawed. But as a person, that instinct doesn't serve you. This is what's very important. It's a natural thing. I've had it. I'm sure you've had it. A lot of people get jealous. I struggled with it a lot when I was a young man. But I This is what's very important. It's a natural thing. I've had it. I'm sure you've had it. A lot of people get jealous. I struggled with it a lot when I was a young man.

But I realized that it's a weakness. And I realized it's dangerous because it keeps you from progressing because it puts your energy in a very stupid place that doesn't serve you any purpose at all. It doesn't help you at all to be upset that someone else is successful. But that same success can inspire you instead. If you can get past your initial reactions and your, your idea, this inclination to be jealous, if you can, if you can manage that in your head, if you can conquer that in some way, even if it's like a struggle every day, but if you can get past that and just admire what that person's doing, it will fuel you and it will inspire you. And it actually,

it will actually provide you with positive energy as opposed to just this bitterness that so many people have, where they just want to sit around and bitch and complain. Nothing drives me crazier than a fat guy with a beer in his hand who's talking shit. You know, especially one that I know hasn't done anything. It's just like I know what you're doing man I know what you're doing and you know what you're doing, too And you don't have anybody around you the calls you want it you don't call yourself on it So you and your fucking dopey friends you get together and you do this all the time and none of you are going anywhere with That they attract like-minded people just like if you isn't just like if you're if you're if your goal is

To improve or greatness you attract those type of people also. Yes. I think so. So the people that you can't stand will surround yourself with people just like that. And it's just a big ball of negativity. Yeah. Whereas it doesn't have to be like that. Because as you said, you might have been like that.

I know I was like that. But we're different. You get over it. But you don't have to think you're weak because you had it. It's a normal human emotion. It's a normal human reaction. But you just have to realize it doesn't serve you at all. And in fact, it does the opposite. It hurts you.

You get angry when you see that person. You get angry when you see that person succeeding. You get angry when you see that person on social media. It's foolish. It's so negative. There's nothing positive in it at all. It doesn't help you. And if you change, like, when I see you winning and see this thing, somehow I feel better.

I see you, this comedy mothership, blowing up everybody just like this excitement. And somehow, for some reason, I feel like I feel good. Well, that's awesome. I appreciate it. I feel good when you're killing it. I'm so glad you're doing your own podcast now. And I knew it was going to work like this. I tried to fucking talk you into doing this forever.

I tried to talk you into quitting that fucking job. Did anybody pester you more than me? No, no. I'll say you were the one. I mean, and I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I believed in myself as much as you believe in me, I would have done a long time ago. I don't believe in myself. You do though. You do. You just need to get moving and then you believe in yourself. It's like, it's hard to do new things when you've been doing this one, you have this one

job for decades and then all of a sudden you're just going to get rid of it. And you have responsibilities and a family and there's a lot involved, but you were at an escape velocity where not only was that possible, it was actually holding you back by not using those resources that you have for that entire day for yourself. And you were making way more money outside of work than you're making from work. Like that's the time when you're supposed to jet. That's the American success story. i just i just had never thought i i thought that where i was was as good as it was going to get for somebody get over it sonny it's not and it's proof yeah i fucking got out and you did it and it's killing it and i love it i'm very happy and thank you for pushing me well listen brother come on that's what we're here for. Well, and Jamie just had up the website there.

If people, I'm going to give away a truck in 10,000 bucks. So just go. There you go. Cameronhaines.com. Go there. All the videos are up. All the different, Derek Wolf, my man. How scary is that guy?

That guy probably carried that rock like I carry a hat. He set all my gym records. Of course he did. And I was lifting. I was not doing doing too bad and he's like not not too bad old man bro that's a real viking that's a that's what vikings looked like when they came over with braided beads and a fucking battle axe i love that guy he's awesome he's awesome but to that to the whole truck thing is another lesson i've learned from you i've learned so many and you know whatever we'll wrap this up but the lesson you taught me was that there's enough cake for everyone.

Yeah. I, I have more than I deserve. I'm giving back just like you, you've set this example for me. I've seen you change people's lives and I want that. I want to know what that feels like. It feels great. It's fun to do. It really is. It's fun to help people. I love it. And I love to help talented people and I love to help good people. It's a good time. It makes it exciting. It feels good for me. I love watching people blow up. I really do. I love watching people make it. I've always have. I've always loved success. I've seen you change people's lives and it's like, it's, it's beautiful. So, I mean, you have mine. Thank you. My pleasure. It's a great opportunity to be around people that are so exceptional that just showing other people them would change their life because they are exceptional.

You can't change someone's life if they're mediocre. I've tried. You can't do jack shit. You can only do what you can do. But when someone comes along like yourself that is a very unusual and very exceptional person, I think it's important that the world knows there's people like that out there. There's people like you out there. I think People that think that their effort that they put out is enough. They need to know that there's people like you out there They need to know that they need to stop bullshitting themselves They need to know that there is a guy that was working eight hours a day

that was running 13 miles a day and then lifting at night and then bow hunting and practicing and was the number one bow hunter on the planet like that doesn't even make any sense but that

they need to know that they need to know that put your fucking humble pie away I don't know we gotta get the fuck out of here I love you brother

and I appreciate you very much goodbye everybody Goodbye, everybody.