The Joe Rogan Experience - #2003 - Killer Mike

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

Killer Mike is a Grammy-nominated rapper, activist, and entrepreneur. His new album, "Michael," is available now.  www.killermike.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Mike! What's up? What's happening? What's up, brother? How you doing? Good to see you, my friend.

Man, it's always good to see you. I played your shit in the gym today. It was awesome. Thank you. The new shit is awesome. I love it. Thank you, thank you, thank you, man. Thank you.

By the way, I should tell you also, Run the Jewels playlist is the playlist we play at the club before the show gets started to hype people up. Thank you. And that is credit to Tony Hinchcliffe. And this is years ago he said this to me. He goes, Run the Jewels is the fucking best music to play before a show. Thanks, Tony. Because everybody gets hyped up.

Yeah. You know? And then it's just perfect. It's like a lot of energy. It carries you right into the show. Shouts out to LP who's like probably like children is puppies right now I love L to anything great he's talented as fuck to him and his wife Emma shots out to them and their dogs yeah yeah I um man I don't even know what to say I'm just honored to that to be a part of that group. And if Run the Jewels is like the X-Men, I tell

people this Michael album is the Logan origin story. So the badass swagger and black motherfucker in the group, you get a chance to see the true story of what became, like how he became who he is. So you did this, like

you had a concept when you created this. Well, yeah. What happens is at nine years old, I just wanted to be a badass motherfucker rapper, right? I just wanted. Nine years old you? My mother was 16 when she had me. So you got to think about it. Disco and rap. Disco was fading out and rap was fading up.

So that's what she was playing around. She was playing like Houdini, Curtis Blow, shit like that. It was like I liked it, but they still dressed like disco people. They still dressed like my mom's band. Then I get a chance to see Run-D.O.C. First, I saw the fat boys. I'm like, oh, shit. I'm chubby.

They're chubby. They're fresh. Then I saw Run-D.O.C. It was over. I'm like, I'm in. I told my mom, I'll never forget. I'm just like, Mom, I want to be an emcee. She had a joint. She was like, I'm in. And I told my mom, I'll never forget. I'm just like, Mom, I want to be an emcee. And she had a joint. She was like, fuck it. That's what we're doing. So, shouts out to Denise, man, for believing.

Amazing advice. Yeah. Nobody can deny that's amazing advice. I have a theory that if a child is given the confidence to know that they're competent early enough, there's nothing they can't accomplish. That's absolutely true. And also children need to know, and this is a very difficult thing to say, but it is true. If someone out there is doing something, you can do it. Don't let anybody tell you any different.

If someone out there is a musician, if someone out there is an artist, if someone out there is an author and people tell you it's too hard, don't listen to those motherfuckers ever. It can be done. It can be done. 100% can be done. Now you gotta figure out doing it. I'm taking this jacket. I don't want to stay cool. I've been... I want to tell kids, like, you gotta figure

that part out. Like, my mom didn't buy me studio time. She didn't put me in. She was just like, motherfucker, you want to rap? She'd bring me in front of friends, rap. And I'm just like, you know, but by the time I got 13,

14, I figured out how to get in studios and stuff like that. My friends would take me and shit. You know what I mean? So I'm just like, okay, now I get my older homies would take me. So now I got it.

But you know, I just tell people like kids, man, Jordan Peterson said something. He said, boys don't get to be, they don't learn because we're putting them in this box. And we're saying learn. And boys don't learn like that. They learn by being out.

I believe that with all kids, but especially little boys, you've got to let their imaginations just go fucking crazy. And my mom was good about that. That's amazing. So, shouts out to Denise. God bless the dead, man. Yes, sir. Yeah, boys need exercise, too. crazy and my mom was good about that you know that's amazing so shouts out to denise god bless the dead man yes sir yeah boys need exercise too they need to run around like they're filled up with testosterone and they're little maniacs and they're turning into little men and they have new powers yeah i mean you know when you're a 16 year old boy you six years ago you couldn't fuck anybody

up man all of a sudden you can fuck people up this is like a whole new gift you got from the universe that's usually when your dad has to slam you on your back one time yeah to let you know like grown man strength is still it's still a lot real yeah i got a i got a picture of me and my high school principal where is it he was like a joe clark like figure in my life like dr hill if you're out there well i know you're out there i know you're gonna end up watching but I love you old man there's a picture I was 16 I never realized how much taller than him I was

so that's me with my arm around him oh wow and all those little all those little guys around her so like that was the crew the posse it was like Allen Temple posse like and I was wanted to be a little asshole because I grew up in the houses. I wanted to fight

and shit like that. And he at some point just decided that this kid is smarter than he's acting. So let's do this. He'd come get me

out of Spanish class, out of Ms. Blaze class. He'd make me stand next to him at lunch and eat my lunch. So pretty much everybody knew he's the principal's guy now.

Don't go fucking around. So all my homies that were just on the bullshit in school were just kind of like, we'll see you after school. And it really helped change my direction in terms of where I wanted to go and what I wanted to do. So shout out to Dr. That's amazing that he knew to do that. That's the value of a really good educator as opposed to someone who's just doing that

job. that that's the value of a really good educator as opposed to someone who's just doing that job someone who really looks at a kid and goes I think I can steer this young person in an amazing direction man oh man I'll never forget he brought me into his office and he said you know he said you know Michael I'll never be a doctor or a lawyer in the sense of a medical doctor lawyer engineer all these things but it really touched He said, but I'm going to be all those things through you and the students that I have here. And when I tell you that man, that high school was a national school. It had only had two principals at the time, Dr. Butts before him, who was my mother's principal at the same school. And then later me. Now, since the principal, they've had multiple

principals and the school has kind of fallen, but they've got a great principal over there now, a female principal. Me and T.I. are very involved in helping the school kind of return to glory, but that man changed a lot of lives. He put a lot of people through that school. 1995 NCAA champion Cameron Dollar, his dad was a coach there.

He went on to UCLA, won the NCAA championship. Chief Judge Asha Jackson, you know, um dean of technology at um georgia tech raheem biya all these people encountered this man and he he put a lot into us i love him thank him for it to this day yeah people like that are so valuable in a kid's life because just one different perspective one different you don't realize even when you're saying it i guess probably that the kid's going to have it that way. I had one science teacher that was really good.

And he was an interesting guy, like Vietnam vet and kind of hard-nosed sort of dude. And this was a bad city. That was Dr. Hill. I was in Jamaica Plain, which was kind of a gentrified now. But back then it was a very low income area outside of Boston. Gotcha. And so the school was rough. Like we had 17-year-old kids that would show up the first days of school because they had been back.

I mean, I was 13. And so there's kids that have failed four years in a row and they're still like, let me try one more time. Yeah, we had some 21-year-old graduating seniors. Yeah. So there was that kind of shit, right? Let me try one more time. Yeah, we had some 21-year-old graduating seniors. Yeah. So there was that kind of shit, right?

And this guy sat in front of the class, and he said, if you ever really want to hurt your brain, he goes, go outside at night and look up and realize there's no end to that. And you take that for granted. And you think about it, you know, you're just kind of just accept that space is above you. But you don't really think that that goes on forever. Think about what infinity is, that there's no end to that. And I remember being in that class, being 13 years old, and going, holy shit, nobody ever said that before. And I've been obsessed with it ever since.

Yeah, I definitely feel you. Like I had a lot of great teachers. And some are still my teachers. Mr. Murray, who was an art teacher, but now teaches his former students to grow their own food. And he makes you come out to his yard and plant and pick when it's picking

season. But he was one of the first people that kind of pushed me to think past whatever your limits were. But in terms of science, man, Ms. Wilder, when she helped us understand how vast the universe is, her and Ms. Smith Smith used to be like oh shit

like when you think about an ant or a gnat in comparison to how big you're looking at them it's that times infinity when you start seeing yourself

as man I'm really small because human beings kind of think of ourselves as owning and having everything but once you it humbles you

to understand that you're just a speck how do you balance that out though with the braggadocious style of hip-hop rap that i mean you want to be a bad-ass motherfucker man you know you you want to you want to let the world know i was here you know right right and i think people love that yeah that's the thing too even people that it's like that's the beauty of art right because even people that are on that path of humbleness and recognizing that we really are just a very small part of this insanely huge thing, they still love some good hip hop. They still love it.

Hip hop is, like I told people about Michael, right? So Michael is a story of this nine-year-old working class black kid's life in a black enclave in Atlanta. My whole world was black. So I was never not confident. I never worried I would be held down because all my heroes and villains look like me. But I tell people, once you get past the fact that I'm black, really it's just a story of a working class kid in America

who just lives totally amongst the people he looks like. So working class people, I think we need just that sometimes. You know what I mean? People love to have community. Yes. That's a giant part of being a human being. And most people today, you know, especially people that live in cities where you're stacked in apartment buildings, they don't have our traditional sense of community.

They don't, unfortunately. I don't think it's good. I think it's real bad for us. It's scary that that's the only thing that scares me, I think, about the net is that we get so caught up in whatever we think behind this and just anonymously talking to people that we never have to disagree with people across the table. And then after the disagreements, still remain comrades, allies,

friends, or community members. And I think we should get back. I've been advising people, like on political shit, to just ignore the national soap opera of who's going to be the next president and focus on the very, very small thing of what are my neighbors to my right and left thinking about and get 10 and 12 people, 15 people in a living room and discuss your street versus discussing world affairs. You know what I mean?

Yes, and have that spread out. But you have to keep an eye on the criminals. You've got to keep an eye on the criminals. If you don't keep an eye on the criminals, then that's what I always wonder about when they have a UFO report. They're saying, well, we've recovered crashed UFOs. Really? Or are you in the middle of some crazy multi-billion dollar scheme

that I need to know about? When we know about the criminals, we still don't do shit about it. So that's why I'm saying on a hyper-local level, I got some crazy theories, but on a hyper-local level, you could just kill them and let the hogs eat them.

Yeah. That's what they used to do. If you know who's molesting and raping kids in your community and you know where a hog farm is, you can fix that problem. Yes. And that goes all the way up to the top. And I remember landing in London years ago hearing about the radio DJ there that had just been absolutely atrocious in his lifetime. And they brought out the paperwork that said he was actually building children hospitals with. Oh, that's that TV guy. What is it?

Jimmy Saville. Jimmy Saville. Yeah. And there was a woman in parliament. He did. Right. He looks fucked up and freaky. He looks terrifying.

But there was a woman in parliament that had promised to bring the other people to justice. Nobody's ever been brought to justice. promised to bring the other people to justice. Nobody's ever been brought to justice. And before we get to Judge Millen point, you know, only a couple people got brought to justice with Epstein. Not really. Exactly.

Not really. The only people were the two people that were involved in that traffic. Yeah. Supposedly. As the public, we've never said, where's the fucking list? Where's the fucking list? So when I say local is, you know, you might can't, you know, if we wanted to do something, we could. But for whatever reason, we're like elephants in a circus.

We could destroy the whole tent. And somehow we've been trained not to. So the thing for me, it comes down to where's the hog farm and how local can you keep it? You know, that's it. Where's the hog farmer? Yeah. Maybe start farming your own hogs. Yeah.

Joe and I were just having a conversation about how hogs actually eat human beings. Oh, yeah. So I'm just going to say if you know a good hog farmer and you know some evil people, make sure they meet one another. Yeah, that's in the movie Snatch. Remember that English dude? I love that guy. Hence the term greedy as a pig.

Yeah. Those motherfuckers eat people all the time. People have heart attacks and fall down and the pigs just consume pig. Yeah, those motherfuckers eat people all the time. People have heart attacks and fall down and the pigs just consume them. Yeah. I was telling Joe about my cousin, Quint,

who went on a hog hunt and the hog decided it didn't want to get ate. So he turned on him and ran him off a tree. He had to shoot the hog from the tree to kill it. Yeah, if people don't have

a firearm on them and they bow hunt them, I've seen them get rushed. Yeah. They'll slice you up too, man. They run past you with those tusks and just rip your legs apart. Pigs are smart. Yeah, pigs ain't stupid.

They know how to fight. I'm seeing whales fighting. Orcas. Yeah. Orcas I've always admired. They've always been my favorite whale because they, like, if you watch them, they live in family pods. I watched them, like, chase a seal onto, like,

a piece of broken ice shelf and teach the young ones. They move it so the seal comes down. Then they stop and let the seal climb so the seal thinks it has a chance. But they're teaching the young ones to hunt. And I say there's only a matter of time before they say, yo, I'm fucking tired. Imagine if they found out about SeaWorld. Exactly. Imagine if they had phones and they could call from marine land.

And we don't know if they have it, you know, because we know, you know, we know we don't know what, you know, they can communicate in terms of sound waves we can't hear. We don't really know what they know. But if whales are near attacking boats, somebody's made a cell call. Somebody's if the only way that it makes sense that that would make sense is if there's somehow or another there was like, I don't know where SeaWorld is in San Diego, but if it's close enough to the ocean where their sounds could get out. Yeah. I mean, who knows what they can say? Because we don't even understand their language. We know they communicate. And we know they understand parts of ours.

Yes. Do you ever read anything about John Lilly? No, I wasn't about him. It's a fascinating anything about John Lilly? No, what was it about? It's a fascinating story. John Lilly is the guy who created that sensory deprivation tank that I showed you earlier. John Lilly was also a pioneer in interspecies communication. He was a legitimate scientist, and he would take acid and try to communicate with dolphins. And one of the things that he did, this guy was out there.

Lilly was out there. Fascinating guy. I'm smoking weed trying to talk to my poodle at home. Well, it's like you are kind of talking to them, though. They kind of know when you're happy and when you're loving them. Yeah, they know. There's something going on there, right? So Lily funded this study or directed this study where they had this house,

and half of the house was filled with water got so the dolphin would live with the researcher and so the researcher the woman who was a researcher was trying to get this dolphin to speak human language and it can't because it doesn't have lips gotcha and so it was a failed experiment but in order to get the dolphin to pay attention she had to jerk him off because dolphins are so horny. They're like, I don't want to give a fuck about it. Hi. I'm trying to fuck you. It's kind of like a man.

Lord knows after I get pussy, I'm more willing to listen to whatever she got to say. Like, yeah, your boss is a fucking asshole. Thanks for the blowjob. In all the animal kingdom, I'm sure, there's an imperative to breed. That's how the species survives.

And dolphins, they live in this world of sharks. I bet they have a crazy need to breed. They're probably horny all the time. And so they found this got out, and the Puritan instincts of these people that didn't understand science, they decided that we're going to put a stop to this. This is inappropriate.

Instead of saying, it's actually like some sort of bodily maintenance. It's also inappropriate that you have a dolphin in a fucking house that's half filled with water. That's way more inappropriate than jerking off the dolphin. Jerking off the dolphin is the only nice part about that. The rest of it, you have a prisoner for no reason. This is true. No reason. And it might be as smart as you.

We don't even know. They have a cerebral cortex that's 40% larger than a human being's. We don't know what kind of intelligence they have. We know they saved human beings. Yes. We know they jumped on that lady on YouTube and humped her. Yeah, they know that, too. They obviously are thinking.

They fight off sharks. Yes. They keep sharks away from people sometimes. Yeah. And. They fight off sharks. Yes. They keep sharks away from people sometimes. Yeah. And orcas actually kill sharks. Yes. They eat them. Roll up next to great whites and turn those motherfuckers upside down.

They go right for the liver. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? They eat their liver. So the liver really is healthy like that. Yeah. Hold on. Finally, taking his penis in my hand and letting him jam himself against me, eyes closed,

body shaking. Then his penis would relax and withdraw. Right. She jerked him off. That sounds like, well, I didn't really jerk him off. I kept my hand there and he just sort of fucked my hand. But I kept my eyes closed and I hated it. I let him hunch me.

Listen, she probably had an intimate relationship with this. White people are amazing. You got that. That guy, though, you see what he looked like? He was a real freak. Duncan told me, and I need to know if this is true, because Duncan just brought this up in the green room the other night.

John Lilly, at the end of his life, he had done so much drugs. He would take ketamine, intramuscular ketamine, and get in the isolation tank. He did acid. He did everything. But at the end of his life, apparently he had a party over his house. He had gotten a boob job so he gave himself a fake breasts and he was watching porn in front of all of the guests of the party and jerking off in front of everybody and it was like what the

fuck are you doing he was that gone i need to know if that's true this is an important one duncan was describing it the other day in the green room, and he's always right. I'm sure he found a nice book where this anecdote was being explained. That's even iller than your guy who Johnny Depp played. Who was your guy Johnny Depp played who lived with the Hells Angels for a while and did drugs? Oh, Fear and Loathing. Yeah. Hunter S. Thompson.

Yeah, that's even harder than Hunter S. Thompson. I thought he had an adventurous life. Shit. Yeah. Well, I need to find out if it's real. Well, he was a psychedelic pioneer who was also an academic, and he was exploring these drugs in a very hardcore way. And ketamine in particular, I think.

What does ketamine do to you in particular? Ketamine is very closely related to PCP, believe it or not. Okay. But it also has therapeutic applications. They use it for therapy. People take ketamine and they go through guided therapy sessions. It's very common and it's prescribed. So it's legal to have a ketamine session. What do you think about the, what is it, ayahuasca?

Ayahuasca, yeah. So ayahuasca, shots out. Love and respect. I just won an Emmy. I just won an Emmy, thank you, with Scott Carter, who, Scott was one of the co-founders of Real Time with Bill Maher and Politico. Shots out to the OGSC at Scott Carter.

But he was telling me about the Hiawaska and he had done it. Yeah, Aya. Ayawaska, right? He was telling me about the, well, I'm speaking Ebonics, my bad speaking ebonics my bad guys but my wife just said she just said to me hey i want to do that and i was like i don't but i'm with you i'll go i'll go sit with a shaman i'll smoke weed while you fucking go go through your head and i'd hallucinate i think all legitimate psychedelics under guided circumstances with the right person doing it. If you are of sound mind. Yeah.

You can get something out of it. See, I got dark. Some people are not of sound mind. Yeah. I don't think she has sound mind, but if she wants to do it, I'm going to let her go for it. But me cure whatever the fuck is wrong with her to my, my mind is fucked up. Like I know I got dark shit buried. So I don't, I don't necessarily you know

like I wouldn't even smoke weed if I'm not in a good mood right you know what I mean I don't like doing anything I don't drink

I drink whiskey a few times a year like a but yeah man my imagination's crazy so I'm just like I wouldn't really want to see what's causing all this shit

just thinking you know I think that's one way to look at it another way to look at it it might let you see it through fresh eyes and relax. There's a history of schizophrenia in my family. Mammatic depression, shit, that's another reason. I'm just kind of like, maybe I don't want to open all those doors.

Well, that's a good point, actually, because there's some evidence that, especially like high-dose edible weed, that it can trigger schizophrenia. I've heard that, And young men in particular. It's somewhere around like 25 or something like that when it starts popping off for a lot of guys. My doctor told me to stick to the told me to stick to the flour. And I think mostly just

because he's like, you're fat. You don't need to eat anything. How much calories are in a 250 milligram Chiba Chew? It can't be a lot. Shouts out to Danny Brown, who lives out here now. Danny gave me the most powerful elbow I've ever had. That sounds right. Yeah, Danny gave me some shit.

Me and L ate in Europe, and I'm just like, whoa. Like, yeah, I'm not fucking with Danny. Danny's got Richard Pryor tolerance. Danny's a funny dude. He is a good, smart guy. I'm trying to get him to do stand-up. I wanted him to do five minutes at one of my shows, because he him to do stand-up i wanted him to do uh five minutes at one of my shows because he wants to do stand-up he's thinking about doing i'm like

you're perfect for stand-up don't have comedian friends out there people because the minute you say to them that you want to do stand-up they're going to make you do it ryan davis who's an amazingly brilliant um comedian um out of charlotte ryan is is basically just like my brother now. Ryan is like, hey. I told him, I said, man, I think I could do it. I want to do it. He says, if you come to my fucking show, I'm making you get on stage. And I'm like, ah, bullshit. So I go to his show, motherfucker

makes me get on stage. I do I do, I think maybe nine, maybe 11 minutes. I said, what'd you think? He said, you were good. You should have did seven minutes. You would have been great. You know what I mean? I've done it. I've done 11 minutes. I said, what'd you think? He said, you were good. You should have did seven minutes. You would have been great. You know what I mean? So I've done it. I've done it once.

I haven't done, you know, like my friend T.I. and actually, you know, just plunged myself into it. But I want to do it. I like comedy. You can tell a lot more truth. You definitely can. And you definitely could do it. And you would figure it out pretty easy.

Yeah. You're already doing it, kind of, because you say funny stories all the time it's just like a sharper more edited version of that and you would figure out how to do it with reps yeah yeah you do it i'm gonna fuck around you should fuck around i'm gonna fuck around yeah you should fuck around it gives you an opportunity to mock things in a different way too like really stupid shit like you could really pick it apart on stage yeah i found out that all the shit i wanted to say to shay really pick it apart on stage. Yeah. Well, I found out that all the shit I wanted to say to Shay, I got away with on stage. Shit that I never got

away with in the kitchen. Oh, yes. I actually got to call her bitch on stage. Shit that never works in the kitchen. You know what I mean? In the kitchen, she would have fucking stabbed me. So, shouts out. You could tell when a relationship with a comic and their significant other is going bad with the kind of jokes that come out

on stage. Because they're having those conversations that they would never have in real life. In real life, they're all quiet. On stage, they're like, bitch. It's funny. You could really see it. I'm going to try it. I like comedians.

As I've grown to know more of the community, you guys are amazing. You're an amazingly tight-knit community, too. It's grown to know more of the community. You guys are amazing. You're an amazingly tight-knit community, too. It's a very tight-knit community. It didn't always used to be that case. Really? The Internet opened it up.

The Internet changed it because before there was like a supply and demand thing. Gotcha. And there was a lot of haters. A lot of people, when some person would make it, they would get angry. They'd be upset that it wasn't them because if you were a comic in the like to say the 1980s or 90s if you got a sitcom that was a role that I couldn't get if you got a host of a show that was a show I could have hosted yeah you know and and so everybody was on this famine mentality rappers rappers used to have that comparison is the thief of joy. Yes.

I love that quote. You can't do that. I remember I felt a tangent envy for a half second once and I checked myself. Stop. Don't fucking do that. Don't give in to that. Don't do that because that'll defeat the rest of your life because no matter how much you achieve,

someone is always going to be doing something different or better or something you perceive is better than what you wanted to do. And if you don't do the self-check, you'll never get your blessings. I'm 20 years into a career, and I have come out with what people are calling arguably, not even arguably, this is the best album. Like my wife called me Friday. Well, she was with me. She said, Happy Resurrection Day. This is the start of your next life. This album.

Because you've never done an album like this. It's personal. That's a heavy statement. Yeah. Happy Resurrection Day. That's beautiful. Yeah. But if I would have been sitting around thinking about what didn't happen 20 years ago,

Right. I would have never gotten to run the Jewels, which happened 10 years ago. It was our 10-year anniversary. We think about this. 10 years ago, me and Ella and I, mid-fucking 30s, we meet through Jason DeMarco from fucking Cartoon Network. We do my album, Rap Music, which is 11 years ago. Then we do Run the Jewels. We go out on tour.

For the last decade, my whole life has been a blessing simply because I didn't say, damn, why didn't it work for me solo? I was just like, this is what it's supposed to be. You know, you got to know that whatever it is internal, the divine thing that's in you has a purpose and a plan for you. And if you look at other people's plan and purpose, you're going to fuck up your own. If you think, why not me? You're going to fuck up your own.

It's also, it's an inefficient way of using fuel. Yeah. Because those same people that are killing it, if they make you feel bad, like that envy that you have, that does zero for you. But with the same experience of seeing someone kill it, if you get inspired and choose to work harder and realize that there's other levels and and appreciate their work really appreciate it because it's very hard for artists especially when they're struggling and they're coming up to appreciate other artists work get a pre you got to be able to say goddamn that was good and you should be and you should say it to them yeah you have to

say it to you absolutely you have to be yes it, man, it's nothing like steel sharpening steel. Yes. Like, I can't be no whack rapper. My friends are too good. You know what I'm saying? I'm friends with fucking T.I., Jeezy, the big boy, Dre. Like, I'm friends with fucking, you know, my man. My man.

Oh, man. I'm sorry. I'm just a little stoned right now. But we were just talking about in comedy. When you got like Danny Brown as a homie, Danny will fucking go on stage, make people laugh, come out and write a 64-bar verse. It's just like, man, I got to do it. You got to invite better people into your life. People that are better than you.

Yes. I tell people all the time, Kobe Bryant was my absolute favorite basketball player. And people sometimes misinterpret him saying he's better than Jordan. I say, it's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, it's one thing to look at a guy like a god. Michael Jordan's a god. Most people just want to worship the god, do the best they

can. Kobe knew it would be impossible, but I'm going to try to defeat the god. I'm going to try to, and when you get that mentality, you can't lose. Even if you never achieved the god status, because you tried, therefore you become Hercules. Like, Hercules couldn't be Zeus but fucking he had to try mmm that's it yeah and knowing that someone like Jordan out there though

like when someone comes along every now and then in any sport someone comes along it just elevates the level of performance to this extreme extent where everybody has to recognize, oh, you're in the Mike Tyson era. You know? Before Mike Tyson, people have to understand what was going on with the heavyweight division. It was dying. It was not good.

And you had, everyone was sad because Muhammad Ali got beat up by Larry Holmes. And then nobody ever gave Larry Holmes his just due. Larry Holmes was a wicked boxer. He was wicked. He had one of the best jabs of all time. But he was killing a legend. But he killed a legend.

That's what people were. They liked him a little when he beat up Jerry Cooney. And then they liked him a little when he came back to fight Tyson. He fucked around. Tyson, yeah. He found out. He found out. That was Tyson when he was Tyson.

In his young 20s when he was just unstoppable. Unstoppable. When he knocked out Larry Holmes, it was like, what am I even saying? Is Larry Holmes laid out? Is this real? And he said he did it in part because of the Ali thing. He was still angry that Larry had beat. Didn't he say that?

I think Ali was in his corner. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think Ali said something to Mike in the corner before the fight. See if that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. I think Ali was there. Mike is one of the wisest warriors, too.

I don't know if it's because of the lisp or what. People tend to try to qualify Mike as not as intelligent, or they used to. But his wisdom, the simplicity of the wisdom that he implies to especially young men, I think, is valuable beyond measure. Beyond measure. Yeah, and also, you know, yeah, see, so Mahalo was in the ring with him. I mean, that right there is heavy. That right there is very heavy. Only you probably told Larry, my boy going to fuck you up.

Fuck him up. Like, gotcha. Imagine the inspiration when the greatest of all time comes up to you and you're in your young 20s. And he wants you to fuck this guy up for him. And you can. It's all. And you can. Because this is Mike Tyson back then.

It's all. Bro. Look at Larry. Larry probably didn't even want to because this is Mike Tyson back then. It's all. Bro. Look at Larry. Larry probably didn't even want to be there that night. Larry. He did, though. That's the thing. He did.

Larry asked for this fight. Larry came back. Larry maybe needed some money, too. He was only 36 at the time. Probably needed some money. Yeah, I was about to say. I don't think he got the big paydays that he deserved because I just don't think people liked him. And it was just 100% because of the Ali thing. If there was no Ali, if he beat the guy who beat Ali instead of beating Ali,

he would be another huge applauded heavyweight publicly. But he is in boxing circles at least. Yeah. People who know boxing appreciate Larry Holmes. He was awesome. But God damn this fight. This fight was Mike when he just moved different than anybody ever anybody that it was like jack dempsey times 100 you know i'm saying it's like what he did with

like the bobbing and weaving and the way he would close the distance it was very unusual and you look at this you can't really prepare for all that movement i mean who the fucking move like that gustamato knew what he had in that kid. Gustamato found him when he was 13 years old, man. And, you know, it was the first thing that he ever did that gave him, like, real joy. And people loved him. And people applauded him instead of hated him. But goddamn, dude, he was so scary back then.

That hook from up under is something that might just be. Nasty. Hook to the rib cage. I mean, he just kept coming at you, man. Kept coming at you. But the second round was where Larry started to get his jab off, and it was very interesting because you realized how. I mean, this was Larry, you know, I don't remember what year this is,

maybe 90 or something like that. I'd say he's 38 years old at this point. 88. Okay. Yeah, he's 38 years old at the time, and he's also, you know, no steroids back then. He didn't have anything. Like, you didn't have peptides.

Guys didn't really know how to recover like they know how to recover now. When you're that age, you were kind of done. Yeah. He just had more soft around the midsection. You could see he just doesn't look like Larry Holmes when he was in his prime. But you get to see that jab, dude. so he gets loose somewhere in in the round and

it drops his hands it starts look at that that right hand they just planted on him dude larry holmes was so legit this was just too late for him yeah it was just too late for him to be having this fight i I look Trump Plaza. Yeah, that's funny. So, no, this is it when he starts getting loose with his jab. Now, oh, no, that's the KO, son. What would you have before that? I just skipped in between the round.

Oh, okay. So the third round or the fourth round. This is it right there. So this is it. This is it right here. Look how loose he gets with that jab. He started getting loose and swinging his jab left and right. Look at that.

Popping it out there. Look at that jab. Dude, Larry Holmes was a bad motherfucker. They just didn't fight in their primes. Yeah, they found him. Mike was in his fucking prime. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, even then, even in their primes, Mike would have probably got him.

Mike was special. He was. It was different. It was different. It was different. A lot of times because of the ducking and bobbing, you were only hitting the top of Mike's shoulders. You weren't getting clean shots to the ears or the chin. And he could take it. That was the other thing about Mike.

He's built like a bulldog, too. His chin was insane. And his neck was insane. Because one of the reasons why a guy gets knocked out is the head rotates and you can protect that with neck exercises. So Mike was one of the first boxers. Does eating pussy count as a...

Yes, a little bit. All right, straight up. That's some reps. So if you get caught cheating on your wife just tell her you're training. Yeah, put like a weight vest on your head. Yeah. Just get it.

Yeah, boom. Oh. At this point, Larry's ready to go. He's all right. It's time to go. He's get it. Yeah, boom. Oh. At this point, Larry's ready to go. He's all right. It's time to go. He's in trouble. Oh, my goodness. Oh, with that right hand.

Oh, that left hook. Larry is still up. Oh. This is the end. This is the end. Then the right hook right after this. Boom, right there. That is crazy.

Yeah, Larry's like, fuck that. It's been a day. It was just crazy to watch him get knocked out. It's crazy. Yeah, Larry's like, fuck that. It's been a day. It was just crazy to watch him get knocked out. It's a temple shot, too. And he had fought so many big hitters before this. Early in his prime, he fought Ernie Shavers, who many people say was the greatest puncher of all time. Was Shavers as fast as Mike in this time?

Because big hitters, if you watch him, a lot of them were motherfuckers, but Mike was fast. Fast, yeah. And big hits coming fast hurt a lot. You don't have the seconds to kind of step back and recover. Right. I don't think Mike had the one-punch knockout power that George Foreman had, but I think he had speed like a middleweight.

That's what was crazy. He was just swarming. Yeah, so this is Ernie Shavers, and Shavers was a bomber. like a middleweight. Yeah. And that's what was crazy. He was just swarming. Yeah. So this is Ernie Shavers. And Shavers was a bomber. That dude had just wild power. He wasn't the best boxer, but he was a very good boxer. But his fucking knockout power was tremendous.

And his power is weird because if you look at the two of them, oh, look at that knockdown. I mean, that's how hard Shavers hit. Check this out, dude. I mean, that's how hard shavers hit. Check this out, dude. I mean, this is boom. I mean, my goodness. So Larry Holmes had a crazy chin. The fact that he survived that back then and he couldn't survive Mike. Yeah.

But it's also 38 years old. Like for fighters, they don't want to believe it's over and it's over. It's over and it's over you know you got like nine good years like a world-class fighter for the most like an average of not some guys can stretch it out to 15 20 years some guys are it's amazing like Jim Miller just had I think he first fought in the UFC in 2005 Hopkins was was was I mean Bernard Hopkins oh he was the best at that yeah because he was so technical. Yeah. That's why when you see

him fight Roy the first time, Roy beats him with just pure speed and athleticism. Just freak of nature that no one had ever seen before. And Hopkins wasn't quite at the level Hopkins eventually became. Yeah. Then when they fought a second time when they were older, Hopkins

decisioned him pretty easily. And it was a different thing because Hopkins had perfect defense. Yeah. Everything was perfect. There was no, like, unnecessary, like, speed movements or anything. Everything was very tight and disciplined. Efficient. Tight and disciplined.

So what do you think ultimately is it for fighters? I mean, not just entering fights, just for fighting. Do you think being controlled and disciplined is better or just being crazy talented with speed and power? I think the most important thing is technique. That's above and beyond everything. Because someone with very good technique will beat someone with freak athleticism if they don't have good technique.

They'll leave holes. They'll get caught. Technique is everything. But if you have freak athleticism and technique then you have a michael jordan like there's there's every now and then a john jones comes along every now and then a khabib nurmagomedov comes along yeah that has insane technique and freak like physical abilities and just super human discipline that's the most important i think i realized michael jordan's secret watching i don't know if it was just a show about him or his documentary but they showed where his brother

showed up for practice and was just fucking around playing playing with the team his brother's much shorter than him but that fadeaway jumper his brother wow the the quickness in the move his brother and you could tell his brother had to adjust his game because he's probably playing short of dudes so he couldn't just shoot a jumper. He had to do a fadeaway. It looks like, to me, Mike took his brother's techniques at his height and his, because you could tell

he studied them, that Mike's game developed. I want to, like, when I meet him, that's, so that's, you see that? Did you just see that shit? How many times you see Mike do that to another player? Watch this. Whoop. Wham.

Wow. Kobe took that same technique and punished motherfuckers. Look at Larry. I didn't know. Look at that. Larry slams like Dominique. Wow. Damn.

That's his fucking brother. That's a great sparring partner. That's for damn sure. And you know your big brother's going to talk shit to you the whole run. Yes. his fucking brother. That's a great sparring partner. That's for damn sure. Yeah. And you know your big brother's going to talk shit to you the whole run. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Well, the youngest guys are usually the toughest in the family of boys. Because they get beat up the most. I got hung on doors as a kid. I got locked in fucking closets and shit. My uncles and cousins just had a bunch of fun with me. Yeah. There's a bunch of MMA fighters that had older brothers that beat them up. Just beat the shit out of them.

And then they're like, fuck you. Yeah. And then they learn how to fight. And then they're not scared of fighting because they fought every day of their life. Yeah. And that's beautiful. I got a, my daughter, Mikey, is 16 this year. And I told her, her sister and her, I said, we're going to take some boxing classes this summer.

Oh. I was like, Toto, you're strong as a bull. You've won a few fights. I don't want you just fighting because. So, fuck it. I don't have PE during the summer, so we're going to take some boxing classes. That's a good exercise,

and it's good to release stress too. Yeah, that's what I worry with her. I'm just like, I just don't want to get a call you've beaten somebody on the fucking cafeteria. Well, kids get aggressive. Yeah.

And if they don't have control of that, it's not good. Well, she grew up with all boys, so that's about not having control. That's how boys solve problems. Right. Yeah, you get mad, you just go to the backyard, beat the shit out of each other, then you're playing again. So she grew up with her big brothers and cousins, so she never

got acclimated to the, we're just gonna fuss about this and talk. She's just like, fuck it, bitch, it's on. That's great until somebody shoots somebody. Yeah, God bless. That's the problem. But with that said, I think that we should probably be the people who are gun owners and shooters. Just go out as a family. Take a shooting day.

The Olympic skeet shooting thing is right around the corner from a place that I own some buildings and stuff. And I said, man, we got to go out and check that out. I've never checked it out. I've never skeet shot before. I own some buildings and stuff. And I said, man, we got to go out and check that out. I've never checked it out. I've never skied shot before.

It's, I think, firearm safety is like the most important thing. It is important. And bleed classes. Shots out the doc down in Atlanta, former Army guy, he's a black guy. So there's a place called, there's a guy called the Black Packers in Atlanta. Shots out to my man Koda and King General down there. They were in a bar, met, talking just about what blacks needed for survival skills. Just skills that were kind of being lost with the old South kind of dying

out. So they put together a hiking club, gun club, that type stuff. Shouts out to the Bass Reeves Gun Club and NAGA. But they introduced bleeding classes. So before you even learn how to proficiently shoot, they're like, you need to learn how to you know proficiently shoot they're

like you need to learn how to stop in case of an accident which i thought was just brilliant so part of their learning gun culture is learning how to save yourself in case you accidentally shoot yourself or someone else so you guys look up the black packers you know and and join them you know people should join you know where i'm from talking to people where i'm from join the bash reeves gun club joinGA. Get some experience. So, you know, just let the news tell you what to do. Yeah. Get outside.

Walk around. Shoot shit. Eat it. That's very good advice. Yeah. Yeah. During the pandemic, I think hunting went up radically because people started thinking, like, wait a minute.

Like, food isn't guaranteed? No. I should probably at least know how to do this. Yeah. You don't want to figure that out while your family's hungry. I got a call from DJ Swift, OutKast DJ, Cutmaster Swift, and there's an old man that lives on the corner of the main street that leads his subdivision.

The old man has a beautiful garden and shit. We knew the old man ate deer and shit, but we didn't know that he was actively dressing animals in his yard. But he called Swift like, I got a deer over here. I don't know if the deer got hidden or someone had shot and it got in his yard and they just couldn't find it. But Swift is like, man, I'm out here with the old man. We fucking cut the deer.

He's gutting it right here. And I'm like, what the fuck? So shout out to Swift and the OG, man. You know, it's still going. This is in the city of Atlanta. Oh, wow. Yeah. I had this gardener He was really cool

He was from Mexico and he would cut he was actually the gardener when I bought the house And I just had the guy said hey, he's a great gardener. And so I hired him to yeah and Jose would go back and forth to Mexico like he would say I go when you coming back He's like well, you know, I gotta make my way across, you know, so we'll see oh shit it's like I'm like I don't even know what that means but okay so does he disappear you just pop back up though sometimes he would he was a fast any guy okay he would fight chickens and they had like you know a hundred roosters in this dude's backyard and they would they had like the whole pit new gamble and and they were doing one of these things and they cooked a

goat they killed a goat. They killed the goat and cooked it. Yeah. And the health department came after him because the neighbors are complaining. Why? That they butchered an animal on their land, on their yard. But what are you supposed to do? Exactly. And he was so confused.

And for him, he was so confused. Yeah. He was like, but I did it all right there. It's all clean. Yeah. I know the animal wasn't sick. Yeah. Like, it's so confused. Yeah. He was like, but I did it all right there. It's all clean. Yeah. I know the animal wasn't sick. Yeah. Like,

it's okay to buy meat, but it's not okay to do it in your yard. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. But I think it's a visual thing. I think like maybe the neighbors.

They should have closed their fucking curtains. Yeah. There's a famous clip of me, I think, on Dr. Boyce Watkins, one of his, he has conferences for black people to get better empowered and stuff.

And there was a lawyer who I have respect for. He's done some good stuff, but he was essentially just telling people to kind of push back against the police. And I'm just like, you know, if you're a 15 year old boy, your mission is to make it home. So you just even if you get arrested, shut the fuck up to your parents come to get you. But don't don't do not push back against cops. That's not the thing to do unless it's time for the revolution for real. Everybody's got the notes. This is the day it goes down.

And, you know, people are kind of, because it feels good to kind of hear the rhetoric, but I'm just like, yo, how many of you guys, I live in this neighborhood, I've lived in this neighborhood all my life, how many of you guys actually, like, have a garden? Right. I mean, how many people fish or hunt or How many of you guys actually have a garden? Right. How many people fish or hunt or know how to dress and kill your own food? And they got less and less hands.

I'll say, y'all ain't ready to revolt. Shit. No disrespect to anybody. A few people got upset. But I'm like, yo, the most revolutionary thing you can do is grow a tomato and some greens. Become self-sufficient. Become self-sufficient. Because that way you don't need government or

grocery stores or anything. I'm just like, yo, there's one house in a neighborhood that every, say, two out of every five houses used to have gardens and literally chickens in the back. There's one house in this one neighborhood that I see this man and woman, they run their yard every day. Meaning

they get out, run a job. They have at least eight goats that I've counted, numerous chickens and shit. And my wife and I drive down that street just to remind ourselves, motherfucker, if it ever goes down, these are the people you want to knock on the door and say, hey, you know what I mean? We'd like to live and help. We'd like to join up with you. You know what I'm saying?

In whatever way, because they're really ready. You know what I mean? They're really ready. Well, that's what most people should strive for you should strive for water from a well yeah you should strive for some sort of an off-grid electricity system if shit goes down like if you have a generator at your house if the power goes off the generator can kick on turns your fucking house back on yeah man that's a good thing to's a good thing to have. Very good thing to have. Yeah. Very good thing to have. It's a game changer,

especially in the summer. Yeah. But there's a lot of other things. Like, you should learn how to grow food. Yeah. You should learn how to cook.

You should learn how to make fires. Yeah. You should learn how to, you know, hunt and fish. Tell me I follow the black packers.

You guys go to Instagram. They're regular folks that were just regular folks that taught themselves my my sister who grows a garden levy i never would she was the wild when she like going to clubs and drinking and shit when she was young i never thought she'd be the one that ended up like my grandmother because my grandmother grew food like but i'm just like yo man these skills if you got them you got them no one can take them from you and you know where your food is coming from yeah If you're growing all your own vegetables in your garden, if all your chickens that you eat, you know what they ate because you fed it to them. I mean, if you're eating like that, that's way better for you.

If you're slaughtering your own cattle, if you make deals with the neighbors, I give you a quarter, you give me some corn, we work out together. That's what people used to do. That's a normal thing. And there's still things out there like that. There's a West Georgia Farmers Collective. I know I'm saying it wrong. There's a West Georgia Farmers Collective. I don't want to tell people out there, my focus is hyperlocal.

So if I say shit you don't agree with, that's fine. If you're not in Atlanta or Georgia or Alabama or some shit, I don't give a fuck. But there's a West Georgia Farmers Collective where you can essentially get your food and your cows and stuff from them. It can be that local. You don't have to wonder where the chickens and cows and stuff are coming from. Well, where is the Will Harris Farms? White Oak Pastures? That's in Georgia as well, right?

How close is that to Atlanta? I had this dude on. I watched him talk on television. They were asking him a question about Bill Gates. They were asking him about, you know, is it bad that Bill Gates is acquiring all this farmland? It's a little scary. What a Fox News.

And so they brought him on, and he talks very slow and deliberate. Yeah. And he's a regenerative farmer. And the news people are like, you got to hug and pick this up. Yeah. So I was like, I got to have this guy on. And it was one of the most fascinating conversations I ever had. It's way down south near Alabama.

Oh, wow. Still four guys. Oh, so that's pretty far from Atlanta. Lufton is what it's called, I think. How far is that from Atlanta? Like a drive? I'm sure. It's in is what it's called, I think. How far is that from Atlanta? Like a drive? I'm sure. Dothan, Alabama is right there.

Which Alabama town is that? Dothan? Oh, yeah, that's not. I mean, it's about halfway in between. But, yeah, Dothan is easy enough to get to. Dothan is where I worked my first UFC. Yeah, that's why it's 6,000. In Dothan, Alabama?

Dothan, Alabama in 1997. That's when the UFC was still on the Chitlin Circuit. Yeah, the UFC. We used to fly in propeller planes. I looked at some of those old UFC fights, man, when it used to be like total midget. It's like a fucking sumo versus a midget damn thing. I'm sorry, little person. That shit would be nuts.

Yeah, that's funny you got to say little person now. Yeah, I'm catching up. I'm learning. I'm learning. No disrespect to all my short folks out there. What the fuck was I just going to say? We were talking about UFC, propellersllers flying in chitlin circuit oh no white oak pastures white oak pastures okay if you can get your food from that guy i'll reach out if you guys got another yeah yeah there's i think they sell in

all supermarkets and shit oh that's got a giant regenerative farm and what they do is like the they just rotate where everything goes you know the cattle they shit they eat the grass the shit is my great grandmother taught me that they all it works my great grandmother talked to me about they only grow certain things for a certain amount of time and then they move and that plot of land would be something else and then so yeah she talked i was a little kid so i didn't really quite understand the concept. But then I got older, I was like, oh, I get it. What he said is that you're recreating nature in a controlled environment. Yeah.

That's kind of, I'm paraphrasing, but I think that's what he's saying. This is how it was supposed to go. Chicken's eggs are supposed to be dark orange. Yes. Like that almost blood red orange. Because it's healthier. It's filled with more nutrients because they're out there eating bugs and mice and shit.

My friends' eggs aren't white and I'm thinking I was bullshitting because I went to we used to get sent like to Tuskegee and the chickens down at your great grandma's farm

they weren't white and you'd have to come back and tell kids like no eggs aren't white. Yeah, they're not white. That pale yellow of most eggs is a chicken

that's malnourished probably and you watch a dark orange one even the yolk is more orange and they taste different but yeah

yeah we got it chickens are ruthless motherfuckers man man when you hear people say chickens fighting

like man if you ever like in the deep south similar to the place in Mexico cock fights still exist. Not that I've been to any for federal agents out there. But when you're young, you get to see roosters and chickens fight.

If you're on a farm, you get to see those motherfuckers go. They're nasty and they don't play. And they'll come at kids. They don't give a shit. They'll go for it. And it gets crazy when humans get it because they put razors on their fucking shit and it gets ugly. But just to watch two, male anything in nature extends to at some point need to prove itself to another male. But it's interesting watching. You always think of chickens as kind of chilling, laying eggs, but those are the gals.

Those guys get fucking. You don't think of chickens like that when you have them. No. Because when you have them, you see how mean they are to each other. And then when you see what happens when they see a mouse. Woo. I've never seen them see a mouse. They go crazy have them, you see how mean they are to each other. And then when you see what happens when they see a mouse. Woo! I've never seen them see a mouse. They go crazy.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's the craziest thing you've ever seen. They run at that mouse at a speed that you didn't know they could move. And they just all try to tear it out of each other's mouths. Yeah. They tore it apart. Like, instantaneously.

That's fucking crazy. It's crazy. That's crazy. There's a video. There's a bunch of videos of, a cat like spying on a mouse. And this chicken comes running in and snatches the mouse away. It just goes fucking nuts. Just fucks it up right in front of the cat.

You never seen this? I did not see this. You need to see this because most people have a distorted idea what a chicken is. Those motherfuckers are little dinosaurs. Yeah. They just conserve energy for the most part. For the most part. So look, the cat's playing with the mouse. It's just fucking's playing with the mouse right watch this chicken come in and storm the castle as soon as the

chicken sees that mouse this is the same video so the cat's still playing with the cat's just having okay this is where i've seen it before so the cat's just like oh i'm having a good time The cat's just having fun. Okay, this is where I've seen it before. So the cat's just like, oh, I'm having a good time. This chicken is like, what? Oh, shit. Give me that fucking thing. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Look at it. Look at it tear it apart. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck. Oh, wow. Bro, tears it apart.

It's mean as fuck. Tears it apart. That's insane. They love mice. I think it's their favorite thing to eat. Wow. I've never seen them react like that before. Wow.

The way they went after that mouse. You sure the frog eating, was that you? Yes. Isn't that insane? Check this out. Look at this video. Someone sent me this. Oh, this I saw a couple days ago.

This is crazy. Bro, this is wild. Look at the mouse holding on like, no, bro, don't eat me. Oh, it's a rat. It's a rat bro that he just eats him that's not the one that i post oh so there's a bunch of them so it's a asian bullfrog live feeding these imagine the hell that these rats live under they're just trying to figure it out and there's no answer. There's no answer to this. Yeah. And you're in this thing.

Your food. With a monster, a giant mouthed monster that can swallow you in one bite. Yeah, it's a wrap. And they're jumping. And then there's a camera on you. So the end of your life gets mocked on a stupid podcast. Look at this. Look at this motherfucker.

Keep it going. Can I get you to toss me the box of tissues you got over there? Oh, my God. Look at this. Here it goes. Look at this. It's a motherfucker. Keep it going. Can I get you to toss me the box of tissues you got over there? Oh, my God. Look at this. Here it goes. Look at this. It's a wrap. Watch him eat it.

It's a wrap. But how crazy is it the way he stuffs it in his mouth with his hands? It's so disturbing. Just gimme, gimme, gimme. I mean, that's like a cartoonish animal. I think it's the fingers. It's the fingers. And what's crazy is you tend to think that animal's soft because it's round.

But it's a lot of round shit that you would call fat that'll fucking kiss it. It's the hippopotamus effect. Look at him stuffing the tail in his mouth. Spaghetti. And all the other mice are like, no, bro, not me next. He's just swallowing it. All he does is swallow it. That poor rat is just stuck inside his guts.

Being digested. How many rats chew through the guts? Rats are pretty tough. The New York City rats are amazingly tough. You guys up in New York City got to spend. They're the size of cats, actually. I think they could. I think they could.

I'm going to give people this. To black people who call other black people coons is an insult. If you've spent any time in like the South, you know raccoons are actually tough motherfuckers. Tough and smart. Brilliant and will attack. They have little fingers too. Yeah, they're not very afraid of anything. So black people, we got to come up with a new word to insult each other because raccoons are fucking warriors, bro.

And they're not like, you should probably just call each other possums. Raccoons fuck dogs up. bro. And they're not like, you should probably just call each other possums. Raccoons fuck dogs up. All the time. Fuck them up. We got told a story from this old L.A. gang dude. Apparently a dude was literally taking a raccoon around to dog fights. Winning dog fights with this huge fucking raccoon. Oh, my God.

When he told us that, me and my brother G. Davis, man, shout out to Gerard Sales Atlanta, man, on the internet. I promise, because people think I'm bullshitting. Hit Gerard Sales Atlanta DM and ask him. The guy told us about this shit. This motherfucker was taking raccoons to dog fights, winning thousands of dollars. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Raccoons ain't that silly. So did they weigh the raccoon? I don't know if they weighed him, but the way he was describing the size, like, I've seen big raccoons. I saw a raccoon once, Shea and I went out to a dinner, and when I saw the motherfucker, and then one or two others popped up, I'm just like, we'll just go around the other side of the building. I don't feel like fucking fighting raccoons.

Not interested in having a raccoon run up on me. Yeah, yeah, they might be rabid. I bought a blowgun once at a carnival. Yeah. Because I had raccoons that were fucking up my trash when I was living in New Rochelle, New York. Gotcha. And I put the blowgun out the window and wait for the raccoons. Look at this motherfucker.

Jesus Christ, he jumps down on this dog. He's not afraid of it at all. Not afraid of it at all. He should be able to destroy it, it seems like. Well, it's like a little badger, man. Yeah, man. They're like a badger in a lot of ways. Look at his fight stance, though.

I mean, he's prepared to stay balanced. I mean, that's a ferocious little animal. Yeah, and when it's a bunch of them. You know what it's like? It's like an effeminate badger. You know? You know what I'm saying? Like the posturing of them. You know what it's like? It's like an effeminate badger. You know? You know what I'm saying? Like, the posturing of it.

It's like a badger's gay cousin that can fight like fuck. Yeah, a badger's cousin. He does ballet, but when he's little, he learns how to throw hands. Yeah, straight up. Man, shout out. Let me shout out. There's a club. My daughter goes to the club now.

My mom actually went to there's a gay club on what was Simpson Road called the Marquette. And it was where gay black kids, you know, poor and working class kids have went for just, you know,

dozens and dozens, like decades, right? But I always tell people that, you know, just assume you could fuck with the gay kid in school just like, nah.

No, no, that's a man. That's a guy, man. And he'll beat your fucking ass. Like, you know what I'm saying? Don't let it fool you. So those kids at the Marquette that have been partying since my mom was partying and my daughter partied at, those kids are prepared to defend themselves. So all that bullying shit never flew in school. It's also stupid.

At this point in time, you've got to realize it's something you're born with. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with it. So what's the problem? Because it's been the problem in the past. I asked my granddad about it when I was a kid. and he was like, hey, people have always been here. Always. I remember him telling me, he said, we knew Lil' Richard was gay.

Who didn't? His song was Tootie Fruity Good Booty. It was hilarious to me. But my grandfather, it was just like, what the fuck are you talking about? And I have two gay uncles. God bless me with two dads and both of their youngest brothers were gay men. And my Uncle Vent and God bless

my Uncle Carlton were some of the biggest influences in my life in terms of art and culture and encouraging me to do entertainment. And they could also fight. Their fucking ass is off. My Uncle Vent, Lord knows, we had some battles. We put a hole in my grandmother's wall

and she made us fix it and that's when I realized like a fucking 10 year old kid and a gay boy probably aren't as good as fixing this wall but we had to

we had to dry she made us do the drywall and shit and we didn't fight inside anymore we just took our fights outside

but I love my uncle he's married to Lee shout out to my uncle Vent and my uncle Lee one of the to Lee. Shouts out to my Uncle Vin and my Uncle Lee. One of the worst knockouts in the history of boxing was a gay man who was being taunted by his opponent. Wow. And he kept calling him a fairy and saying all these things about him. And it was Benny Perrette.

Benny Perrette and Emile Griffith. Yeah. And Emile Griffith beat him to death. He killed him. He beat him to death. He killed him. Beat him to death. And it's a horrific beating. And Emile Griffith was a champion, too. Let me see if you can find that.

You got that? I'm pretty sure that was a title fight. But Emile Griffith, who's just a wicked boxer, he got him in the corner. And he started beating him where he was like trapped by his punches like he was hitting him so hard that he was like literally keeping him in place to take more punches with the force of the patch like lifting him up but here it comes here boom boom boom oh so now he's got him in the corner oh and watch these right hands he's like literally keeping him up boom again you see the sweat coming out here it is here it is so

literally the punches the punch head going back oh oh i mean that's it and And he died. Wow. So he slumps and he's gone. Wow. And that's the very rare, like, death in ring situation where someone literally beats someone to death. You got to be careful of the buttons you push with people. You got to be careful. I mean, he probably would have tried to do that to him anyway, realistically. Really? He's a boxer. They're boxing

Yeah, but yeah, I've seen so bad off. Yeah, the referee is to come people holding him up though That's what I'm saying like you saw him Yeah, yeah most boxes after they know they got did some boxes even look at the ref like it stopped this shit But he wasn't he didn't want to stop he beat that dude to death. Yeah, yeah He beat that and he didn't commit suicide after no he didn't I think I don He beat that dude to death. Death, yeah. He beat that dude to death. And he didn't commit suicide after. No, he didn't. I think, I don't know how it affected him. I read about the ref that, there was another boxer that died in the ring, but the ref that committed suicide after it rolled him so hard.

Oh, wow. I forget which fighter. Oh, because people were saying that he was responsible. Yeah. Because the guy died. Or he probably just felt, you know. No, I'm sure no ref was. That's a very hard job.

The referee's job is very hard. Because you're going to get hated no matter what happens. Right, and you make any split-second judgments, and you could get it wrong. You could get it wrong. It happens. Great referees get it wrong. He's the referee for the Mancini-Dukuk Kim fight.

That's what it was, the ref that killed his self? Yes, yes, yes. Your ability to research on the spot is amazing. Jamie's the GOAT. Yeah, could we Your ability to research on the spot is amazing. Jamie's the GOAT. Yeah, could we get you to help win arguments for husbands and wives? Could we make that shit happen? Could you do a fact check for me, Jamie? But I'll tell you something.

Jamie will pull up some articles that disagree with your opinion, too. Hey, respect, though. I mean, the facts are the facts. Yeah, the facts are the facts. Well, sometimes they're not. Sometimes you've got to dig in. Sometimes you've got to dig in and go, hey, who says these are the facts? Yeah, this is true.

Who wrote that? What is PolitiFact? What is that? You know what I'm saying? Like, who is the fact checker? Are they biased? Someone sent me a chat GPT where chat GPT was like they had arguments of fact checkers versus chat GPT. And chat GPT was like poking logical holes.

Holes in the fact-checkers. I mean, that is going to be a weird thing. When we have AI that is everywhere, and people are throwing all kinds of questions into it. AI is beatable. I'm going to tell people that. They did some type of thing when my album was finished that essentially scans through the songs,

looks for imperfections, and things that might have doubled or tripled in the mix and shit. High and Holy on my record was it couldn't do anything with it. And that's when I realized the thing that counterbalances AI is soul. No matter

what we make to mimic us, there's something that's in us that is unmimicable. There's something that, and it's beyond intelligence. It's beyond, because AI shows us you can replicate intelligence to a degree, you know. But there's something in human beings that is, some people call divine, some people call spirit something. But it's something. And when my manager called me Will, shout out to Will, active management, he said, motherfucker.

You know what I mean? I know when he starts it off with motherfucker, it's going to be some good news. Or unless he says motherfucker. And that's when I know, oh, shit, we're in trouble. But he hit me and told me that. And I'm just like, oh, shit, we defeated AI. One song, one album, we defeated it. That's interesting.

That's why Michael's going to march into the fucking Grammys and walk off with it. The AI thing is so weird because they had that Drake song that apparently was super popular. Yeah. That was an AI song. That didn't work for me. So I can... That's weird.

Shouts out Drizzy. The thing about someone's music is that, especially if you know that someone created it, you've got this psychic bond with that person while you're listening to their shit. If I know it's a person who's sitting down writing it, oh my, I'm in it. I'm in it with you.

And if that's not the case, if it's just music, it's not as good. Well, yeah, that's the difference between a jingle, though. It means like jingles, everyone has a jingle they know. It's cerebral almost, you know what I mean? It's a jingle, but there's something about music that has a feeling. You're sitting there fucking listening to anything. It's a drug.

Yeah, it is. Music is a drug. If you are doing cardio and a great song comes on, all of a sudden you have energy. Yeah. What the fuck is that? Yeah. That's crazy. That's real.

That's real. It's like if you could take a shot, an energy boost shot, when you're doing elliptical, you're like, God damn, I feel like shit. And then whatever it is that comes on, all of a sudden you're like, whoo! Shouts out to Al, man, who's helped me get off some weight. Al of Claiborne Fit FX in Atlanta. Shouts out to Al because Al will just tell on days like, this motherfucker doesn't want to be here.

And he'll just throw on jams from like the 70s and 80s and shit, Gap Band, Commodore, shit like that. And I was like, I see why you motherfuckers were at Venice Beach lifting like that. Y'all was listening to this shit looking at a bunch of chicks, you know what I'm saying? Like, of course you can get to... And those songs were seven minutes long. So I'm complaining and all of a sudden a seven

minute song comes on and then before you know it it's time to get off, you know? You know what's the greatest on the exercise bike wanna quit song comes on, fires you up? What? Voodoo Child, Slight Return. Shut the fuck up. Slight Return.

Okay. That one. I'm going to try that one. Just that guitar. Oh, my God. And you're there. And also, you're back in 1968. You know, you're like, holy shit, what was that like?

I like Zeppelin One for getting me through. Zeppelin One. Zeppelin I for getting me through. Zeppelin I. Zeppelin I is great, too. But I think Voodoo Child was my favorite showcase of what Hendrix could do. Like, the sound was so distinctive. It's so different than anybody else's guitar. It was like whatever he was doing was just... Eric Clapton said he saw him, he wanted to

quit playing guitar. Yeah, I heard that before. What the fuck, man? And this motherfucker's playing upside down, right, because he's a lefty. Two Live Crew sampled this, too, which was dope as fuck. Shouts out to Uncle Luke. Well, have you ever heard Voodoo Problems, 99 Problems, mixed with this? No, I got to hear it.

Oh, it's amazing. They mixed the J with it. Yes. Shouts out to Ice-T, who Problems, 99 Problems mixed with this? No, I got to hear it. Oh, it's amazing. They mixed the J with it. Yes. Shouts out to Ice-T who originally had the 99 Problems. Oh, gee. Okay, you're tired. This comes on. You're right.

Feel that? That's real. That's energy. Yeah, you're going to make it through. That just makes you go. Joe is in here tweaking. Joe is about to make me do push-ups and shit. I'm telling you, that's what you need.

You need that juice, that inspiration. It brings us back to haters. They can get inspiration from people. You get juice. Yo, shouts out to that lady who's Emmy nominated that hates me. God bless

your soul, woman. I had never thought about winning an Emmy in my life, but because you hated on me when I got... And she hates me for the most ridiculous reason. God bless her soul. She hates me just because I'm not a Democrat, Nick Dubois. You know what I mean?

Like, I've had Democrats I like and I push for them, especially locally. But I'm sorry, lady, I can't be a Dubois and God bless me to fuck around and get rich. I really, I don't take money from any politicians or political parties. So if you see me stand next to someone, it's because I really believe. And if they don't convince me to believe, I'm not going to stand next to them, right? She wanted me to stand next to somebody. I'm like, you know, sorry, lady. I've had some conversations with you.

I've tried my best, but I'm not hating, but it's just ain't my thing. But this chick was just like, I'm going to use my platform. And I'm like, you don't really have a platform? Yeah. But in her bio, she's an Emmy-nominated actress. Man, winning that Emmy sure felt good. I've locked her, but I'm sure someone has told her, but I'm just like, holding it,

I hope she sees the picture. Like, yeah, thank God for your hate, lady, because it made me care. I went to the ceremonies and walked away with a trophy. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you. And to her, there was a study that was done recently about left-wing authoritarianism and the way certain people behave

and that it's just, it's like a bunch of different psychological conditions that are they're almost indistinguishable yeah from like you know like horrible narcissism horrible uh like psychotic behavior like see if you can find it what what their conclusions were but at the fringes, when people, what happens is when you have groups that are ideological groups, whether it's the left or the right, you're going to get people that just join that group that are absolutely insane. Yeah. And if you don't call it out, then you have a giant problem because people are going to

associate you with whatever the worst aspects of your yeah like right-wing proud boys like that kind of shit the experts somehow overlooked authoritarians on the left many psychologists wrongly assume that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives of course it's a human characteristic i did a a speech for fire for the organization fire and i miss saying i'm sorry the brown shirts of shirts of Italy, but what I meant was the brown shirts of Germany, that as the left, as you accomplish more power politically, don't use it as a bludgeon in the same way you've perceived it to be used against you. Right.

That you have to rule, quote unquote, in a more fair and equitable way. You can't let your fair and equitable thoughts become totalitarian. Yeah, and you also can't give in to this crazy instinct that we all humans have to be tribal. Yes. And I am a Democrat. I am a lifelong blue no matter who. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't. That's not wise. Yeah, it's both sides, but we take it.

I was fortunate enough to grow up in a household where my grandmother was SCLC member, had, from Tuskegee, had been a part, born in 1932, had been a part of Civil Rights stuff. My grandfather, so my grandmother grew up on a farm, could go to school. They weren't wealthy, but they had food, they had sustenance, they had education. My grandfather grew up working a sawmill at eight years old because his father abandoned his family and he had to feed his mother and sister. So his mentality was much more libertarian, I would say. His mentality was, if God gave you an appetite and a mind to build a fishing rod, you should be able to catch fish. And my grandmother was like, you shouldn't complain

about having to buy a fishing license because the game warden has to make sure things are legit and somebody has to clean up the park. So I got a chance to see these wonderful political arguments between these two people that loved each other. You know, my grandmother, college educated woman, my grandfather drove a truck and hauled moonshine and gaveled. You know what I mean? He married this God-fearing woman. He never, I never saw him walk in the church, but they had these great debates that showed me that there are no absolutes, that there are going to be some things from each side that make sense to run a good household. And they kind of, I watched them just do it right.

You know what I'm saying? And I just, I'm glad I saw that because I don't feel married to any ideology. That's beautiful. That's important. Shouts out to Betty and Willie. God bless the dead, man. Yeah. Getting attached to ideology is always a bad idea. Particularly

when human beings in America have two choices. You have two choices. The left and the right. And people just adhere. They adhere to whatever this side's doing because they want them to win. And then you have some weird problematic figures like Trump who comes along.

There's a lot of never-Trumper Republicans. They don't know what to do. But I say in this crazy-ass country, pay attention to the people who have no chance of winning sometimes, because there are going to be some truth told. No matter what you feel about Trump, there was a moment in that debate, Chappelle talks about it,

when Trump said, of course these loopholes exist. They exist. He was talking to Hillary. Hell yeah, I'm going to take advantage of the loophole, because they also exist for the people who are doing it in your campaign. He was talking to Hillary. Hell yeah, I'm going to take advantage of the loophole because they also exist for the people who are doing the annual campaign. I was like, finally, a member of the oligarchy class says, yeah, motherfucker,

we're cheating. I was like, at that point, Americans should have said, hard reset. They literally should have said, pre-Eisenhower, hard reset. We're going to reform all this shit. The money's going to work different. None of us said a goddamn thing. And you know why?

Because we're all complacent in some capacity. We're all accompanied in this grand scheme that's fucking us over. And if you don't have an educated constituency of proletariat, it's all just going to count as reform. So, like, during this election, people were like, who are you supporting? I was like, I don't give a fuck nationally. I give a fuck that Cornel West is in the race because I'm interested to see what he's going to say.

Kennedy, I'm interested just to hear, you know, whatever crazy shit people think he's, whoever else is running. I'm just interested because the two parties we know we got, but there are all these little voices that pop up, that little grains of truth. They stand no chance of winning in some cases, but let me just take a grain of what you're saying, and that way I'll know what

to take back to the party that wins and say, hey, what about this? Why do we have money for this, but we don't have money for this? Like Sanders, people told me, like, Mike, you're a business guy. You like money. Sanders even said, hey, I think you're going to be a billionaire. I'm going to tax the shit out of you, too.

We were laughing and joking backstage at the Amazon worker strike that we were both supporting. But my thing is I don't want to pay the government more taxes. But if I got to pay more taxes, let me pay what the guy's plan who's going to educate kids and trades and scholarship for free. Because that way I'm making a 20 year investment. So to my 16 year old daughter, when she's 36 has a much better country full of educated kids versus I bought a lot. I bought more missiles.

You know what I'm saying? Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's possible. But that's not possible. But if you don't put them in now, I am a millionaire.

I'm going to do my best to protect my fucking money. Yeah. Because I wasn't born a millionaire. You know what I mean? I was born just a working cash black kid named Michael. Yeah. You know what I mean? And Michael never liked working at Six Flags or AutoZone or UPS.

So once Michael fucked around to figure out how to sing and dance and make some money, Michael wants to save more of his money than spend, you know? If you had ultimate faith that the government was going to do its best to utilize that money for the greater good of the community, you would happily give your money. Happily. That's the problem with when

they have to give their share. Even if they do, where's it going? How did we come up with so much money for this Ukraineraine war but we never had any money for all the problems that exist in inner cities and infrastructure and and these crime ridden gang ridden spots that have been there forever we had this uh this uh police officer on once yeah from uh baltimore and he was saying that they found an old police docket.

It was like a record of all the old arrests from like the 1970s, I think it was. And he said he realized it was the same crimes in the same place. Yeah. And he felt totally useless. Yeah. He was like, what the fuck are we doing? Because really you're just zookeepers at that point. What are we doing?

Yeah, we're not trying to fix the problems for real. At all. But yet, how many billions and trillions and where's this fucking coming from? And they said, oh, there's a hidden tax. It's inflation.

And we're making profits off the problems too. With Reagan and the privatization, the making prisons private. Yeah. That is an evil because once they put a private prison,

say, in a small South Georgia town, they have to guarantee 70% occupancy. Oh, my God. How the fuck do you guarantee occupancy? How the fuck do you do that? You know, in prison. Yeah.

The goal should be to have the least amount of prisons in the world. You know, we have the worst and seems the most. Ali Sadiq was here. Yeah. Oh, man. I love Ali. Brilliant brother. He's one of the best storytellers of all time.

And he was explaining the system that you get put in a place that's in a small town where everybody in the town works in this prison. Yeah. And then you have generations. Like, if you get in an argument with this person, he's like, their brother's on the next shift. And then their father is the one who runs the whole cell block. Yeah.

And then they're, you know, it's like, you can't get away. That's it. Everybody works there. Yeah. And then their father is the one who runs the whole cell block. And then they're, they're, you know, it's like, you can't get away. Everybody works there and they run you and they could do whatever the fuck they want to you. And they can say you got in a fight.

They could, they could open up your cage. They could beat you to death. And you have to exist in that. People got angry that I met with, um, that I met with our governor and I have a relationship with him. And I'm thankful for that because I've seen some

good things come out of my relationship with him. I tell people, you know, regardless of how he felt who won elections, there's a judge, her name's Chief Judge Asha Jackson. She's in DeKalb County. We've known each other since we were 11, went to school. She did not have an easy life, was homeless her last two years of high school, worked her ass off with the college in Buffalo law school, came down, became a judge, and she saw kids coming through there just like the kids she went to school with. They made a fucked up mistake or whatever. She said, okay, I'm going to give you a year. I'm going to give you one year to turn your shit around, to get your diploma, get your GED, let's get you working.

She had me come speak to one of her first graduating classes and shit i congratulate him and her program worked so well that not only did it help to reduce an end recidivism that another woman from juvenile court named miss ali ended up getting appointed so it's a black woman judge who's a democrat there's another black democratic woman who's in juvenile in a juvenile justice system and she worked with my mentor Brad Boyd who was a white prosecutor and judge through his career. Brad retires. I meet Ms. Ali.

We become friends. The current governor, Brian Kemp, appoints Ms. Ali over the Georgia Public Defense Council and they're helping by emulating the same program. So like when I tell people work hyper localal, what that one judge decided to do as a Democratic woman gets another Democrat as a woman appointed by a white Republican guy to help in that recidivism so that we don't just have a cycle, an endless cycle of young black men coming

in and out. Not only did he do that, but I got two homies that are serving life in jail. in and out. Not only did he do that, but I got two homies that are serving life in jail. And one calls and he converted to Islam. And in South Georgia, that ain't always looked upon, you know, in a great way when those generations that are running, that are strong Southern Christian Baptists. And I'm just like, man, my guy's being treated badly. Like I, you know, and I say, I'm not going to give you his name or do anything because I don't want the preferential. I don't want you to be in a target to say, hey, you just did this for the rapper. But he made sure that a call got made and that prison tightened up some with his treatment. You know what I mean? And I think that people,

especially those who claim to be Christian, like I've kind of come back to the philosophies of Christianity on this album, on the album, Michael, because my grandmother raised me devoutly Christian. I didn't understand it. I ran from it for years. But when I started studying the character of Jesus, whether you believe he was real or not, the revolutionary love that he had for people that deserved and didn't deserve it, if I can achieve a measure of that in my lifetime, I've done well. The last person he saved on earth was a self-confessed thief being crucified by the state with him.

And I'm like, if I can just keep that mentality, not forget the prisoner, you know, if I can do that, then I'll be a step toward being a better human being. Well said. Try my best. But we also can't have situations where people profit off people being incarcerated. Yeah, and that's what we have in this country now. We're treating human beings like they're batteries. Because they are. They're batteries to generate money.

And we're not putting them out better. And we're not putting them out better. You look at other prisons from smaller European countries, they're damn near like college dorms. And I'm not talking about just the amenities, which are better, but they put them out smarter. They put out carpenters. They put out mechanics. I just watched some story where the prisoners have a fucking print shop.

They're printing. They have a print shop where they're printing stuff. Why aren't we doing that? Like in DeKalb County, I think they had a GED program, DeKalb County jail, but even in state prisons, the young men, mostly young black men that we're sending into jail, they have no skills. They've made stupid emotional decisions. We have no psychotherapy for them. We have no trade skills for them virtually. If we simply change that, you change the construct of the towns that depend on the prison, and you could be potentially creating people to build the towns versus simply having prisoners that serve as batteries in the matrix of COs and prison workers. Well, you can't have it profitable, and it's got to somehow or another rehabilitate.

And you've got to use all the tools that are available to rehabilitate. Yeah. And some of those tools are psychedelics. Really? Yeah. You think we should be giving our prisoners truth? I give them MDMA. Yeah.

First of all, they'd be way less likely to fuck each other up if they're doing MDMA. I really believe that. I really believe that MDMA sessions, like, they're great for people who have experienced trauma. And MAPS, the psychedelic organization, is using them right now for people with PTSD. A lot of soldiers who come back home have seen people blown up. They're horrified, and they have a really hard time assimilating. And MDMA has been particularly effective for them. What do you think about that doctor?

He's a black doctor. He microdoses opiates, but he was on the breakfast clubs. Black doctor. Dr. Carl Hart is a friend of mine. I was talking to him. I love that guy. I got to get back in contact with him. I'll connect you.

Would you put him over the program to do that in terms of prisons? And I'm thinking about Georgia. Well, first of all, he would be the most honest on the pharmacology. He's the most honest because he's got, you know, he's a real professor at Columbia. Yeah, people try to write him off. Yeah, they try to write him off. But the thing is, he's right. He's right.

And he was a straight edgeedge scientist until he um started studying them yeah and then when he started studying them and he realized that the propaganda about whether it's addictive properties whatever it's mostly not true yeah and even the side effects mostly not true and in their pure form there's great benefit to some of them and one of the things is heroin he likes likes to sniff heroin. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He micro-doses. Yeah. And, you know, he says it's just lovely. He goes, I love it.

It's a beautiful feeling. And he's very healthy. He's not, you know, he's thin and fit. I've seen him. He's not like a mess. He's cognitively very sharp. Looks calm. Very calm.

Very calm. Very calm. And you can't argue with him about what these drugs are and do. And he was one of the very first to highlight to me that crack cocaine and cocaine, there's not a difference in the effect. And so they have a difference in the structuring of the law. The only difference is you're freebasing it. It just goes right to your head quicker. It seems like from being a former teenage dealer, it seems like crack hits faster and lasts

shorter. It's because you're hitting. It's because you're smoking it. The freebasing it versus snorting it. All coke addicts are fucking assholes. They get on coke and they get too happy. Like we were talking about a guy earlier, he's your fucking best friend because he's coked up. All coke addicts hit through that. But yeah, but freebasing

I would say is quicker. Yeah, because it's just Freebase. It's just Freebase and Coke additives. Which I rapped about on Something for Junkies on my album. I want people to know on the album, Michael. And this is not just a musician plugging shit. This is really like the life of a kid who grew up and kind of did and seen it all, good and bad. But I wrote that record because I know no other rapper would ever do it.

And Something for Junkies really was just saying have empathy, sympathy, and have love for people because all of us are addicts or something. But that, I understand totally what you're saying in terms of that. Like this is, there is something to drugs past the propaganda we've been fed since Reagan and, you know, Ronnie and Nancy. Yeah, but we're also learning about them from people who haven't experienced them This is your parents are telling you stay away from meth. Well, there's gotta be something to meth They drive their truck for three days in a row and When uh when I was a kid people would do meth and play pool a lot of gamblers really they would take amphetamines

I don't know if it was meth in particular, but it was amphetamines. Yeah. And that was like the big thing for playing pool. They would play pool and they would gamble for like 20 hours in a row, 30 hours in a row. These motherfuckers would stay up for days until one guy broke,

and they would just be doing amphetamines. So my cousin, Jimmy, we lost to schizophrenia. He's alive, but I say lost to schizophrenia because it's hard to... Anybody who follows me on Twitter, they see my Twitter, AbbyNeverChanges, and me with my arm around his light-skinned kid. That's my cousin, Jimmy. It's the closest thing I had to a brother.

But he gambled. We all shot pool in school and, you know, petty gambled and shit. But he was really good. So I'd end up being with him sometimes just sitting for 20 hours while we'd walk in, he'd have $800. By the end of the night, he'd have $80,000. What I'm saying, cuz, no bullshit. But the end of the night is the next

night because we'd be up for 20 fucking hours. And then when he, you know, because he was never a drug user. And I honestly think maybe us doing marijuana kind of probably clicked his schizophrenic switch because his dad was schizophrenic and it runs kind of on his mom's side of the family, too, where we were related through the matriarchal. But do you remember a moment when you noticed that something was wrong? Well, my wife and sisters talked about it.

And my sisters had told my wife, Mike loved him so much, he just didn't want to see. She said everybody else saw it. But we pulled up to a fucking Zaxby's. I said, cuzzo, what you want to see. He said, everybody else saw it. But we pulled up to a fucking Zaxby's. I said, cuzzo, what you want to eat? And I had just told him like,

I was like, cuz your nails getting kind of long and you need to get a, you know, get a manicure or something. Like he just, he was what they call a player.

Like he, you know, he shot pool. All the girls liked him. He talked smooth. He was never no fighter, no rough. But I noticed like him

kind of not keeping up himself in the same way. So I noticed that. But I just thought we was on the grind. He's taking the grind too seriously. He needs to, you know, it's my first years on the road promo. And, you know, my wife said, I saw it. She says, but, you know, you didn't want to see it because you loved him so much.

And he got out the car. He told me what he wanted to eat. He got out the car, went to the bathroom. He never came back. And I remember calling his mom, like, yo, I'm not going to leave my cousin. And she was like, just go. So his mother had even already noticed. But his mother had went through that experience with his father.

So his mother knew what was coming. Yeah, and, you know, it's, you know, shots out, man. There's something with mental illness and really good pool players. Yeah, it got to be. My cousin was amazing. We beat DMX out of eight grand. DMX in this. He got D for five in club bounce in Atlanta.

And D's former manager, who's the homie, I was like, I knew my cousin was going to drag him. D could play good pool, too, but I knew my cousin. He plays? Yeah, he plays good pool. DMX plays great pool. But I knew my cousin had him. I was like, my cousin got Really? He plays? Yeah, he plays good pool. DMX plays great pool. But I knew my cousin had him that night. I was like,

my cousin got him. So, cousin was Ben D, and I was like, yo, you ain't gonna bet on your man? And he's like, nah, I don't want to gamble. I was like, D, your man don't even believe in you, man. Tell that man to put a grand on you, man. Oh, no. I beat his man for like three grand. My cousin beat D for five. We had a ball,

man. We went down the street and just had a goddamn ball fucking around in the middle of the night. People don't know how fun pool gambling is. Oh, it's fun. It's so fun. It's fun. It's so fun. And it's social.

Pool is much more social than golf. Because you can actually talk shit while somebody's shooting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if you watch guys play for big money, people are quiet like a church. Yeah. Yeah. And if you watch, like, guys play for big money, people are quiet like a church. Yeah. Watching guys, like, when I was a kid, there was two guys that were playing for $10,000. And I remember I couldn't believe it.

Yeah. I couldn't believe it. There was a giant crowd around. They were playing one pocket. Yeah. There was a giant crowd around the table. And I was like, this is nuts. Yeah.

This is so much money. Yeah. Everybody was just watching man i've seen some i've seen some i've seen hundred thousand dollars move and because you you're sitting in here all night and it's like people it's like people will hear about the games the calls will start coming in just more cars will start showing up yeah i've been in there i've been in crazy places with my cousin i've been in gambling houses i've been in you know what i'm saying is my grandfather played tongue.

He was more of a gambler than my cousins. The men in my family were gamblers. I never was. I figured I could rap. That's about all I had. You could lose

your whole life gambling on pool because it's so addictive. Yep. I know guys that were like really talented pool players that just realized

they had to quit. My friend Tommy, he was like a world-class pool player. Yeah. he was like 21 years old he's like I gotta get out of this there was this dude that he was playing that was this old dude that they were they were battling it out back and forth back and forth like grinding it out for like 200 bucks and this old dude was missing teeth and he didn't have a fucking dollar in his pocket and he was like this killer old 40 year old pool player he's like i can't be this guy i'm not gonna be this guy i'm not gonna be like broke and fucking scratching for 200 bucks and not being able to pull it off

they were like neck and neck it was like a race to 11 it's like nine nine like what the fuck gamblers is too stressful it's very stressful but it's also very addictive yeah I'm not mad at it I'm just not I've realized I hit the lotto I hit the lotto with my um

Dr. Bonzo Reddick man who's the son of a lawyer Bonzo Reddick and a friend of the CeeLo Reddick who was my friend and introduced me

to Big Boy and did the song Kryptonite but Bonzo told me he said you and CeeLo have taken far bigger risks cause I knew if I go to medical school I got good grades I'd end up being a me he said you and silo have taken far bigger risks because i knew if i go

to medical school i got good grades i ended up being a doctor he said you guys are living off your fucking imagination yeah and that's that's different so with gambling you know those guys are fucking with skills so i see it but i just i think it's a bigger gamble sometimes i just live off my imagination your imagination is a gamble but it's one that you can control in a beautiful way yeah whereas the gamble of pool is just it's a different fucking

you know gamble of poker people that get really addicted to getting involved in big poker games I ain't got it in me I like to watch

but I ain't got it in me golf people play golf for big money big money you know talk shit yeah

that's what I'm saying your whole like future is rolling on a ball oh my god you hope it goes into the pocket if it doesn't you're fucked because you just mortgaged your house Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your whole future is rolling on a ball. Oh, my God. You hope it goes into the pocket. It's scary as shit.

Because you just mortgaged your house. Yeah, scary as shit. Yeah, people get wild. But it's also, there's something, and again, pool holes I think are the best example of that. It's a social location. Yeah. Where people get together, and it's predominantly men.

Yeah. And there's just a lot of jokes and a lot of talking shit. A lot of it. A lot of personalities. A lot of it. And it's a, there's just a lot of jokes and a lot of talking shit, a lot of personalities. And there's like a, it's a great community center for men. I look at barbershops the same. And women. I look at barbershops.

I opened my first barbershop just because I wanted to have a social center in the south side of Atlanta. But I wanted to have something that didn't feel divey,'t drug heavy you know that was just just just a good place for moms to bring their boys to count a lot of you know so yes 70 what 70% single parent mother mother-led households in the black community barbershops are great because they give boys contacts with good decent men who who are a mentor like figure so I opened my first one for kind of personal reasons you know I'm saying? I figured I'd make a little money or whatever.

And we've turned into a bigger brand. Actually, we just got an investor to help us expand it into something bigger. But I did it mainly, you know, less about getting a haircut and selling product, even though now we've developed product. We sell a bunch of T-shirts. We need a Joe Rogan T-shirt for a job. We need to do something cool. But I started them just as social centers and have realized whether it was doing stuff with helping people get out the vote,

whether it was helping people get more knowledge, and men in particular, about mental health awareness and stuff, they are some of the most effective social centers in our community. You know what I mean? In terms of my community, I think just working class communities, period. I'm just a big fan of barbershops for the same reason that pool halls are out there. They're places that guys can get together and it's safe to just talk.

Just be guys, you know what I mean? Those are important. Girls need them too. We're different animals. Yeah, and what I like about barbershops is you get that special counter gal that comes in there that talks shit better than every man. You get that at pool halls, too. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

They exist in pool halls, yeah. At the swag shop, man, we get some chicks come through there. Boy, they make everybody blush, and I love it. Yeah, for sure. We got some dope-ass female barbers, too. That's awesome. Yeah, having a spot like that where guys can gather, that's huge. It used to be like a corner bar for people,

but then you're just creating alcoholics. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The barbershop, you come in, you look rough, you come out leaving good, looking good. I want a Rogan shirt for real, man. I'd love to get your face on a shirt. We'd get you a fresh shave and cut, man. We give some money to charity or some whatever cool shit we can do, but I'd love to get a Rogan shirt.

Okay, I'm in. Let's go. We got an OutKast shirt coming, so I'd love to line you up. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's awesome. Yeah, so I'd love to line you up. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's awesome. Yeah, so you're involved a lot. You're like one of the best guys in terms of diversifying your income.

Yeah. You're very wise in terms of you invest. And you always encourage people. You should invest in real estate. You got to. Don't buy a fucking Bentley. Go buy an apartment building. Yeah.

And then people are paying you rent. It's going to happen. You're going to get your money. What I'm really telling people is just the shit my grandparents told me, by apartment building and then people are paying you rent. It's going to happen. You're going to get your... Like, what I'm really telling people is just the shit my grandparents told me and I fucked up and I just didn't listen

young enough. You know what I mean? Like, I could have did this shit at 21. I could have did it at 26, 27, but I kind of chased...

You know, there's just something about drug dealers that's so appealing. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? There's something that makes you say, God damn, I wanted that 20-something. But if you're lifting your timeline, if it happens sooner or quick,

but if you just make some investments, those investments will pay for the bullshit. So I want a Dodge Demon. Dodge, if you're out there listening, that last Demon that's coming in 170, just get me on the fucking list, man. You know what I mean? How many are they making? Oh, man, I don't think they're making that many. They're only making a few.

Yeah, only making a few. You've been a longtime supporter of Dodge's Challengers. Hell, yeah. Hell catch. I bought them all. Since 2010 up. I love that you love muscle cars. I love that.

Give me any muscle car, especially the fucking, especially fucking Hemmings, and any German sedan. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm going to go fast and I'm going to fuck shit up. But Joe was referring to like,

I wanted to buy a fucking Demon and my wife was like, nah, you wanted to buy an apartment building for this long? This is what you're going to do. But I just, I learned that

to do the types of rap, to be free to say the things I wanted to say, that I couldn't be dependent upon a record company saying no or yes. And what gave me the true freedom was just taking more responsibility from a financial standpoint and getting smart about it. And then going to get the right mentors. You know, like there's a guy named John bryant who was the largest owner of single family houses that were for rent in the in the nation then he then he sold his company to himself and um you know cashed out 100 and something million dollars and he you know he is a direct mentor to me and t.i also tony wrestler who owns

the hawks is tony's early 60s doesn't come from money, working class, got out of New York and has built a $7 billion fortune. There's no fucking way when I'm sitting in a room with him I'm not going to ask, so what do you think about this barbershop shit? You know what I'm saying? There's no way I'm not going to pick from the people around me. Like, I'll hit you in the middle of the night, not about money, but just about other shit, just to ask and you answer. So always seek to kind of know more because it'll grow you. You know what I'm saying? So what I learned and figured out was if I have other streams of income, and Tip

is good about this too. T.I. is very good about this. If I do that, I can be more free to be whoever I want to be. 100%. And that's it. That's fuck you money. That's it. That's it. So young men out there, I encourage you to always get a trade. That way you don't have to depend on people. People will call you.

I don't argue with my plumber or my lawyer because I don't like cleaning up my own shit. Right? So I'm never going to argue with them. Whatever they're charging

out is what the fuck I'm paying. Shouts out to Elliot, my lawyer. You know what I'm saying? But I just want people to know, you know, a lot of people think,

oh man, he's a rapper, he's rich, of course he's going to say that shit. I didn't learn this just from, you know, the John Hope Bryants or the Tony wrestlers even. I learned this from my grandparents. My grandparents, when they were married, my grandpa had a house.

My grandma had a house. My grandpa said, that's not selling my fucking house. We'll just rent that house out. I'll buy an RV and we'll take the kids on vacation every year. Me and my sisters got a chance to travel and go on vacations, regional vacations, Alabama, fucking Florida, Tennessee, but it expanded our mind state as such. When our grandparents died, we didn't sell their homes. My sisters just lived in their homes.

We kept the homes. I bought my daughter a house behind my sisters and put them in a trust. Our whole thing was try to live a more magnified life of what our grandparents taught us. Save and conserve. Have another stream of income besides your job. Just simple shit like that. Then you have like Joe said the fuck you money you don't have to be a slight a wage slave you don't have to beg and borrow you

know you don't have to make poor choices because you want more money yeah sometimes people take a terrible job that just pays better and then they live in misery and unhappy terrible terrible blessed autos on I would have shot myself in the head if i had to do it you know yeah i remember working at a gas station with a guy who was like 45 years old and he had a grand national we thought he was the coolest guy ever because he had an 87 grand national i bought one oh did you really yeah shout out to me and my man ron they're very valuable man very valuable ron grew up his his grandpa was a major in the Atlanta Police Department.

And he grew up a few streets behind me. He's younger than me. But met Ron. And after he moved out of the neighborhood, became fast friends. Tell me what's the deal with these. Why do you like these? All right. So these come.

First of all, Buick is a proper man today in terms of Chevy. And like Pontiac and Buick were like fancier guys. They wore jackets and shit, right? But they were still muscle. It's a V6. 87 when the GNX drops is faster than some Porsches and Vets. It's kicking fucking ass. Really?

Yeah, and the Grand National and the T-Types from 83 forward, they were just some kick-ass affordable muscle cars. They were discreet enough that you wouldn't know, but they were street enough they made you feel like a badass motherfucker. So if you were going to work in one of these, you weren't seeming like, let's start running. This is my car. Ron calls me. My man Ron calls me and says, yo, there's a guy down here who has the Grand National for this price.

I told him he was selling it to you. He knocked $1,000 off. You're buying this fucking car. I'm taking it home today. Just send me the money tomorrow. How does it handle? Since Pro Touring has been introduced, you can upgrade these by just stuff to buy them.

It handled like an 80s car. It went fastest in a straight line. But now Ron is building mine over. So we're getting another chassis on it. We're lowering it. We're changing some specs on it. We're lowering it. We're changing some specs on it to make it. We actually got, and this is going to make some Buick guys mad, so let me qualify. We're taking the six-cylinder out.

We're having it sent to a specialist who builds those, but I'm putting a Hellcat motor in it. Why would anybody get mad about that? Because Buick guys are pure. Because you're mixing it? Yeah, yeah, Buick guys are pure. Yeah, they're pure. They need to suck it. Joe said that. I did not say that. There's going to are pure. Because you're mixing it. Yeah, yeah. Buick guys are pure. And Buick, they need to suck it. Joe said that. I did not say that.

There's going to be a lot of old white Southern men. Let it go, kids. They're putting V8s in Porsches. They're taking a GM Crayton. They're putting an LS in them. It's amazing. It's crazy. It's crazy.

It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one done. Man, Rutledge is my friend. I love that dude. That's what I got. I love that dude. I love that dude. Shouts out to Rutledge, Jared, Mike Musto.

These are like all my car guy friends. Yeah, Mike Musto. Man, Mike is such a great human being. Yeah, I went back and forth with him online. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting him, but I love his videos. He's got so much enthusiasm for those cars. It's so infectious. Man, I was just in Napa with him.

He brought his wife out to a solo show I had out of nowhere out there. I love Mike. I love Jared. Sean Smith is a designer. He did those new cars for Kevin. Kevin Hart. Sean is an amazing guy. Kevin Hart must have 150,000 cars. He's always got a new car. You want to have a great time

looking at cars. Sean, who runs Autotopia, he has a warehouse. I bought a 96 impala from his brother oh my man sean just has some beautiful cars yeah watch his shows on it yeah they did my car word i have a 1969 nova that steve strope built for me and they just they just played it on uh autotopia i gotta check it out. It's a preposterous car. You got some beautiful cars. I love muscle cars. It's a 69 Nova, but it's got a completely independent suspension. The side of the car now has

the flares of a 69 Camaro. So it's wider in the back. The exhaust comes out that big, giant rear Nova bumper. The exhaust comes out of that. It's wild looking. Coral Works is building my 67 Firebird.

And I'm looking forward to putting it in. Look at that. Wow. Man, Novas, people either love them or hate them. They look like hogs to me, which is why I love them. The snouts on them. If you hate that one, move to China. Fuck off.

Fuck off. This is beautiful. If you hate that one, love the five star, love the flaring. Dude. Man. That thing. You got crazy? Did donuts and the whole nine. I haven't even gotten it yet.

I get it tomorrow. Oh, work? Yeah, it gets delivered tomorrow. You're going to fuck around and make me stay a day. I'm so excited. They took it for a drive. Wow. But yeah, Autotopia is a fucking great show.

It is. It's again the same thing. It's like I love when people love what I love. I love hearing people talk about something that I have a passion for and they're infectious about it. That's why I tell people to go find people who do not look like you or not from your ethnic, cultural

or religious background and make friends because you'll find that you have shit in common. You know what I mean? And it helps to kind of break down some of the prejudices and just preconceived notions that we have. Well, that's one cool thing about hobbies. It brings

whatever it is. Even careers like comedy or music. It just brings people together. You have this one thing that is more important than anything else in your life yeah and you all share it yeah yeah we just we're just all beautifully different and that's fucking important that's it's good it is good it is when it's homogenous that's when shit gets weird yeah north korea north k. Yeah, and aliens. Yes. That's what I really worry about when people talk about alien.

Not even whether or not they're these creatures from another dimension. I'm worried that they're us in the future. That's what I'm worried. Really? I'm worried that that's the natural progression of the human animal. I think that we went from these tiny little single-celled organisms to be these multicellular creatures, to be creatures that live in the wild, to creatures that have evolved into cities. And I think we're getting weaker and smaller.

I agree. And if we start integrating technology into human biology, That's not even an if anymore. That's happening, right? That's what it's going to look like. Giant heads, spindly bodies, everything's telekinesis. Yeah. No need to talk anymore.

Holy shit. That's what scares me. I think this is a do-over, because I think we've done it again. Like, when you look at the old cave carvings, that's what you see. You see some kind of big-headed shit with a little, like, maybe this is just a do-over. I think they've been here before, for sure. Yeah, yeah. If they've been here at all, they've been here before.

No, I think they've been here before. We fucked it up before. They hit reset, and now we're currently fucking up the do-over. Interesting. I think more likely Earth is in a really bad place in terms of asteroids. It's a kind of shitty spot. We're really lucky that we have Jupiter. If Jupiter wasn't there, we'd be doomed.

Because it's so big. It's so big. There's so much mass and so much gravity so what we have though is Windows of time where things are likely to happen yeah, and that window when when those things do happen Civilizations done yeah, so either you figure out how to get to a point where you can stop that, where civilization can get to a point where it can stop asteroidal impacts, where it can mitigate super volcanoes and figure out all the things that kill people off. That's possible that civilization one day attains that kind of power. But maybe it's a long fucking road.

Maybe it's a long road. Maybe this sort of reset thing happens many, many times. We're just super comfortable with this stage of existence that we're in. We still think the supermarket's always going to be open. We still think my weed dealer's always there. I can call him. Shots out to mine last night. Thank you. So I got weed last night.

I walk up to the room. By the time I get to the room, I've lost the weed. Oh, no. So I have to call him back. Oh, no. And he brings me weed back. And there's a burger place that you are crazy about.

Which one? Golden Tiger? That's it. And he brought me a Golden Tiger burger. I only ate the meat and cheese, though. I didn't eat the bread, because I would have felt guilty. Coming to you is like coming to my physical fitness problem. I would have felt ashamed of me in front of you having to eat the bread.

If you just cut that out, it changes your life. I've been doing a lot better. I'm 47 now. I'm doing good. I know. I'm happy for you. I have not had a Coca-Cola since December 31st. Beautiful.

Trying to cut sugar. I didn't know sugar was in so many things. It's in everything. It's in all the good shit. All the stuff that's delicious. Which is why I've learned to just eat your meat with mustard now and shit like that. But yeah. Try it, man.

Yeah, it's in sauces, a lot of sauces, a lot of steak sauces. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I just like steak with salt on it. Just grill it. I like it blackened. And I'll do a garlic butter sometimes. Yeah, sometimes do a little of that.

I got a, what is it called? OG. It's like Pitmaster OG. I shake that stuff on it. It's like a little bit of pepper, a little bit of salt, a little bit of garlic powder. There's this guy named Brian who owned used to be a thing called

Bee's Cracklin. And of course, divorce and shit happened. So I don't know what happened to Bee's Cracklin. But Brian is about to open another restaurant. You come to Atlanta, let me take you. Okay. Beautiful. He's amazing. He cooks meat, no sauce needed. Das Barbecue is another place that does a brisket in Atlanta. It's very hard to get good brisket outside of Texas.

And the further east you go, the worse brisket gets. Because usually people will serve you brisket and really just eat a prop roast, right? It's not real brisket. But Das Barbecue in Atlanta, they have two locations, but they got a great brisket. So when in atlanta have two locations but they got it they got a great brisket so when you get in atlanta you just want to go to some meat restaurants let me take okay you know and i don't know if you know but this is one of my fake goddamn i don't want to even tell people but i know i can always get a table there in la cheese baka oh yeah cheese baka is fantastic i love them and i almost wore it today but I didn't want to lose it. One of the waiters gave me a replica Braves World Championship ring.

Big Boy has a real one, so it's pretty fucking close, right? The Braves, if you ever want to give me a real one, I'll take it too. But I've worn this ring, and they got me and Shea the 1996 Olympics glasses. So when we go to Chief Spock and we order our waters and stuff, they come in our own personal glasses. That's how long I've been eating at Chief Spocker. Wow. And that's connected to the Italian place that's right next door. What is that place called again? I forgot the name.

It's very good, too. But that's where all the meat is prepped at, the Italian place. And then Chief Spocker's much smaller, much more in the nook. The other place I've eaten at once. I just forget the name. But Chief Spocker, I just... Because I like meats especially you know yes yeah that's the name of it and then they also have next to Austria Austria moza they have a pizza place that's fantastic pizza place same people and

that should be lit oh it's so good I don't eat that shit anymore but what I said you still eat the meat though right yeah right? Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. Cheese vodka's amazing. If you do eat a little bread, and what made me love them is they make a bone marrow pie that tastes – the old chef was Ryan, but even now the new guys do a hell of a job. It tastes exactly like my grandmother's bone marrow pie. Wow. So for guys who don't know, for folks who don't know about their bone marrow, my grandmother told me it's healthy as shit for for you she'd make us eat it as a kid

especially when it went in the winter when she don't want you to get calls and stuff but their stuff eat the marrow you just pick the marrow out the bones and man oh my gosh is amazing I love bone marrow yeah it's so good for you it's like you just slurping it you just your body's like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's some foods your body's like oh give me give me that. There's some foods your body's like, oh, give me that. Give me that. I know people don't like the taste of liver. I like liver.

They don't like the texture. But when I eat liver, my body's like, give me that. So it's who's cooking it for me. What I realized is Betty Clunt knew what the fuck she was doing. When my grandpa would get sick, she would do shit like put onions on his feet, plastic bags, socks on. Now I'm seeing people charge people to tell them that in conferences and shit like that.

Apparently, onions, because the biggest pores on your feet, whatever healing properties they have, they go right into your bloodstream from your feet and they go right to where, right to what needs to be healed. Yeah, onions. Just look it up. That's crazy. So my grandma used to do this to be healed. Yeah, onions. Just look it up. It's like onions. That's crazy. So my grandma used to do this to my grandpa.

But the liver, she would fry her liver, which is why I like it fried. But she would have us eat liver at different, and it was like different foods for different seasons. When she thought you could get sick this season, we knew it was going to be more liver. Yeah. Shouts out to Betty, man. She knew what the fuck she was doing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so,

shout out to Betty, man. She knew what the fuck she was doing. Yeah. And she, my grandmother was also a proponent for working in your yard and walking and shit.

She, they said as a girl, she didn't like kitchen duties, which made me know she loved the fucking shit out of me because she fed the shit out of my chubby ass,

right? But she would prefer working in the fields. You know what I mean? And they say she was just like a tomboy about it. So to the day she died, she worked in her own yard, did her hedges and shit like that. Her and my grandpa would do it together sometimes.

But she lived a healthier lifestyle than I understood at the time because she never stopped her body from moving. She didn't eat the same thing all year. There would be times where certain things she would cut out of her diet. She would strictly eat you know like say greens for like a week she'd do greens to kind of flush out her system

then she'd come back to meats and she had a lot of game meat again because my grandpa caught fish hunting so I'm trying as I'm getting older what I'm understanding

is what I'm paying people to teach me they kind of gave me for free so I'm trying to do more of that like my grandfather with you with the elk his shit was man

get him some deer meat or some fish. He wasn't really concerned with going to, he'd go to a butcher, but he didn't like going to grocery stores. He wasn't big into that.

Well, the best meat that you could ever get is game meat. Yeah. It's the best meat for you. It's so rich in protein. It doesn't have a lot of fat, though.

So if you're going to eat only meat, you've got to eat something else with that. Usually bacon or I'll take beef tallow and things like that. like the the ribeye the um what is it the cowboy ribeye because it has it has it's more marbleized yeah yeah that's a juicy cut of meat it really is the other night yeah i ain't been able to finish one in a long time though i'd

usually get a half and then i'll do the other half at some point the later night the next day it's harder to get harder to get j to get Jordan Peterson eat the whole goddamn thing I've never seen a thing like it he yeah he said his health got better when he went carnival yeah it's not much better yeah the thing that really gets you is the mental focus and why need that so I might do that the next two weeks while I rehearse for tour make your body essentially is running on ketones yeah it's it's it creates some glucose of its own through gluconeogenesis but apparently that actually we were reading something about it that actually might aid in your body's ability to process

ketosis it's more efficient at doing it that way but it's not the best for workouts i gotta say that it does i do feel like a little laggy for some of my workouts like a little arms of the carnivore diet yeah like I feel like just there's just just a little that I feel like I'm missing got a thing it's my body adapting to not having carbohydrates yeah I think that like a little bit of carbohydrates before workouts it's probably advisable so what's a little like it the author says like fruit of berries's the best. Fruit is amazing. Watermelon is an amazing fruit.

Oh, it's amazing. Shana gets watermelons a lot. I can't say, because they fill you. They hydrate you. And man, they're just like any time of day, you can just grab watermelons. And when it's cold, it's the most delicious thing ever. Yeah. If they were like really rare, they'd be so valuable.

Like if you get it, you'd go, we're going to have watermelon tonight. Black folks, that's another black people thing. When you people like insult people, that's not an insult. People who call me coons is not an insult because I know raccoons will fucking murder your dog. And when you make watermelon jokes, I don't give a shit because watermelon is delicious. And yellow, you eat yellow meat watermelon? Yeah. So my grandpa would.

Yeah, my man. They're actually sweeter. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like honeydews. I like all that shit. I like the honeydewy cantaloupes. I like melons.

Yeah, cantaloupes. Oh, my God. Have you ever eaten a grape like a muscandine or a scuffendine? What are those? They're called muscandines or scuffendines. They are a grape that grows in the southeast. You can eat so many, your mouth starts itching. And they're so good, you don't give a fuck. You keep eating them.

Your mouth itches? Yeah, my grandmother would make... You see them? There they go. The Muskin Dimes. They're huge. Yeah, my grandmother would make wines out of them. But as kids, you'd pop the... They've got a tougher skin than most grapes. You'd pop them off and you'd eat the middle of them, but they're super sweet, just naturally sweet. And they're great.

Actually, when muscadine season comes around, I'll get some and just ship some out to you. But they're absolutely—get some of those in your life. Do you know when bear hunters hunt bear, one of the things they want to do is hunt bear over blueberries? No. Because when black bears are eating blueberries, they'll gorge them for days at a time. It just sits there. And their fat will be like blueberry-colored fat.

Oh, wow. And their meat tastes sweet. They say it's like an unbelievably delicious meat. I found with a lot of meats, once you stop eating sweet shit, you taste the sweetness in meat. Yeah. It's just like your body becomes accustomed to eating what it eats and your gut flora reflects that so when you get really hungry if you're used

to eating a lot of carbohydrates especially yeah when you get if you're used to eating a lot of junk food your body wants more it just wants it in there and also it's confused yeah your body's like why is there so much sugar yeah there's nothing attached to it there's no nutrients no vitamins. Like, what the fuck is this? We've got to keep eating because we're not getting what we want. Oh, yeah. And then there's the sugar rush.

And then there's the fucking insulin spike. There's so much bad about eating crap. And when you just eat healthy food, particularly when you have, like, very protein-rich diets, there's something about protein that is a high level of satiety. So when you eat it, if you're just eating a lot of protein, your body just, you get full quicker. You're just cool. Yeah. Your body's like, oh, cool.

You just deal with it. Gotcha. Whereas with me, with carbohydrates, like especially something like pizza, I will fucking gorge myself. A pizza. I'll eat a whole fucking pizza, a whole large pizza. Hey, you're an Italian. It's in the blood, man. It's horrible. Every now and then I'll go

off the rails. It's like not trying to eat cornbread in your southern. Cornbread is going to get eaten at some point in the year. At some point. It's delicious. How do you not? It's just not good to be the primary part of your diet. You can't have cornbread every day. Just a lot of things that people eat.

That bear, the reason why that bear is so delicious is because it is what it eats. And it was eating blueberries. And if you could apply that to your own mind, like just think about what you are as a human. Well, you literally are what you eat. And if you eat Takis all day, if you're into those like spicy chips and if you're eating fucking Doritos and bullshit and ding-dongs and fucking, you know, ho-hos, like, those are not good for you at all. Yeah. I've never seen, well, I've seen guys eat hoes, but not ho-hos. So, oh, my God.

Ah. I don't know what a ho-ho is. I've heard northerners say it. They're like these little cakes or something. Oh, they're so good, dude. The ho-hos. If you had one right here, we'd both be going off. Come on, I'll show you.

They're good. There's a reason why they're so popular. They're just loaded with sugar and there's chocolate and a little cream in the middle of it. Let's stop. Find him a ho-ho. Oh, shit. There it is. That's a ho-ho. Dude, look at that thing. It does look like it. Oh my god, you bite into it. If you're fourth grade, that's the bomb. It's heaven. It's heaven. If you bite into that and you're stoned,

you're like, oh my, it's worth it. Whatever it's gonna to give me. The Little Debbie oatmeal pie. That's an Achilles heel for me. That's a good one. Yeah, that's the one they try to say. The Little Debbie's is just like, oh, that bitch is evil. God bless her soul, man.

There it is right there. Now they make them into doubles. I'm like, this isn't right. That's a murderous combination. That's good. That's good. They are, bro. That's so good. Yeah, see, but that's why. That's a murderous combination. That's good. That's good. They are, bro. That's so good. Yeah, see, but that's why. Let's get the drugs off the screen, Jamie.

It's not like everybody's eating them and they taste like Brussels sprouts, right? Everybody's eating them because they're amazing. They taste amazing. They managed to make Brussels sprouts taste better, though, I'll say. They put bacon in that shit. That's what they did. Say word. It changed what Brussels sprouts is. Say word. When I was a kid, Brussels sprouts were

nasty. We would boil them. My parents would make me eat them. Oh, man, we used to call them white people food. Your grandma and papa were like, we're going to have Brussels sprouts. I was like, man, can we just have collard greens? Oh, look at this. It's not that you've grown up with more sophisticated tastes. It's the Brussels sprouts that have changed.

Scientists in the Netherlands tinkered with them, making the sprouts bitter no longer. National Public Radio reports that the sprouts began to change in the 1990s. Wow. So that's what it is. They're still a little bitter, though. Yeah, but they don't taste as horrible as they did when I was a kid. I wonder if they're like 50% less good for you.

Let's see. I wonder if that bitterness is actually good for you. Another thing says it was sulfur. Sulfur. Oh, God. It was sulfur that it was sulfur. Sulfur. Oh, God. It was sulfur that made it bitter? Sulfur. So once a year we used to have to take, for mosquitoes,

my grandmother would put a teaspoon, like the tip of a teaspoon of sulfur, and she'd pour the rest of the teaspoon of honey, and you'd have to eat, like, right at the beginning, and probably, like, maybe in the middle of summer, you'd have to eat the sulfur and honey because it'd make mosquitoes. They wouldn't want to, you know, that was her theory. Is sulfur bad for you, though? I don't think it's good for you, but she only gives you like that much.

Says sulfur is responsible for the bitter sprout taste. As we age, we lose taste buds, which can make them even more palatable. Potentially why adults who hated sprouts as children now embrace them in seasonal dishes. There's more, though. What do they got? Oh, this is what's more. Frosty weather converts bitter starches into sugars, leading to sweeter-tasting sprouts, hence the logic behind grandparents remarking that they won't eat sprouts until the first

frost. Gotcha. Oh, interesting. Sprouts contain a chemical similar to... Want to try that one? Phenolthiio carbamide way to go only taste bitter to people who have a variation of a certain gene oh wow around 50% of the world's population have a mutation on this gene the lucky half don't taste the bitterness usually associated with sprouts and therefore

like them a whole lot more than everyone else. That completely makes sense. Absolutely. Because, you know, out of my kids, one of my kids hates spicy food. She doesn't want anything spicy. Neither do I. And the other one will fuck around with Reapers. My youngest has my taste bud.

I get this Senor Lechuga sauce that has Reapers in it. It's delicious, it it's delicious but it's fucking hot man and this 13 year old kid's fucking around with that

yeah putting it on her chicken wings and eating it I was like that is crazy that reminds me there's a thing called cha-cha that's made out of peppers

in the south and they put it on their collards or their turnip greens and I just I just never like a mild cha-cha I could go for but the hotter ones that are not and they're women who like just make them my never, like a mild cha-cha I could go for,

but the hotter ones, they're enough. And there are women who like just make them. My grandmother's friend used to make them as Maddie, but that shit's too fucking, my sisters could eat them, but it was too much for me.

I always wonder, like what is someone else tasting? Like what, you know, I don't know what you're tasting. If something is too hot, I'm not, that's the thing for me,

like my tongue goes into panic mode. I never get to taste it. It's just, even if I have something too spicy, like at the beginning when I go to a Mexican restaurant, like an authentic restaurant, and I'll hit something that's just too hot. Indian restaurants, too, I'll have to chill the fuck out after dinner and let me restore it. My tongue just goes into panic mode.

There used to be a chili place in L.A. called Chili My Soul. And it was just a chili specialist place. The guy was like a real chili connoisseur. Yeah. And they would have it in levels, like Scoville levels. Yeah. And it would get up to this 10.

And he said that these Sherpas came in and they were eating the chili and they were pouring more hot sauce on the 10. He said he couldn't fucking believe it. When they give it to you, they give it to you in like one of them little tiny ice cream tasting cups the tiniest little cup and that's how much chili they give you when you try it

they're like just try it before you order it and it's so hot but I think there's people that have like different natural levels of enjoyment of spicy food and I've got like a medium high level yeah but then there's guys like that have a high level and then ridiculous Sherpas pouring the hot sauce on I'm super low the super low yeah I like it yeah yeah that was the spot that was yeah like that when we get the demon deep no so you see that one that says veg a poult lay that's a see that one that says Vegapotle, that's a nine. That one will fuck you up.

Yeah. I mean, there's a demon that's a ten. And your 13-year-old can eat this. Well, no. Oh, okay. They made you sign a waiver. I was about to say, she's a gangster. No, they made you sign a waiver.

That's too hot. My 13-year-old can fuck around with that Reaper, like, Senor Lechuga sauce, which is hot, but not preposterous. It's delicious, but hot. Yeah, I don't have any. I've noticed, though, that people who go hotter with peppers, they don't hold weight as much.

Like, they seem to get to the bathroom and they all get fried back out, you know? It's probably got some kind of an effect. And it probably, my thing with hot foods for me is they go in and come out hot, too. Yes. And it hurts both ways.

Yeah, my asshole's used to Yes. And it hurts both ways. Yeah, my asshole's used to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My asshole's ain't used to much. My asshole's used to that. I shit a lot though. I've come to realize there's probably a reason even though I'm a faggot,

I'm relatively healthy. That's good. Yeah, I'm in there a few times daily. I get scared when people say they haven't shit in a couple days. That scares the shit out of me. Yeah. Yeah, that scares.

I'm just like, you don't shit a lot. Are you into a doctor? What's going on, man? Yeah, yeah, man.'t shit a couple days. That scares the shit out of me. Yeah, that scares. I'm just like, you don't shit on me. Are you into a doctor? Like, what's going on, man? Yeah, man. I shit all the time. Gotta let it go. Don't hold it, bro. Eat a pepper. Eat a beer stepper. No holding it. You know, people get stuck up there.

I had a friend of mine who had to get an operation. His asshole got, like, clogged up, and they had to go in there with, like, a device and pull shit out of his asshole in a hospital. Was he just not drinking enough water or something? I don't know. I wish I knew. My sister almost died doing Coachella.

Scared the shit out of me a couple years ago because there was something stuck in her, like her intestines had turned. So thank God for overseeing my sister LaShonda. We got her home. But they, you know, she was locked for it. And my friend Rock D, the guy who wrote the record Kryptonite, brought the big boy. He had an issue. He lost a gang.

Wait, looks healthy as shit now. But that scared the shit out of me, and it made me start taking my gut health a little more seriously. So I got on the probiotic shit and all this other shit. Shay went and got it for me. I'm just like, keep shitting two, three times a day, sir. Yeah, don't go a day without it because you don't want to lose. That's like,

the one thing that would motivate you the most for everybody is a health scare. That's the thing that wakes people up. But you don't want to have to get there. But for some reason, sometimes we need someone near us or something like that to make us go, okay, okay, okay. Let me get up in the morning and drink this warm linen water.

You know, let me get in this little three-mile walk at 9 in the morning and I'll wait to eat until 1 o'clock. Don't yell. Like, all that kind of shit that I've incorporated came from my sister could have died. Like, you know what I mean? Get on your shit, bro. Get on your shit. We have one shot at this life, I think. Yeah, and I don't know if anything's after, so I'm going to try to have all the fun I can here.

What do you think happens? Well, I think energy doesn't die, but I don't know if you're going to know who you were. Do you need to? Well, I would like to just because I miss my mom. I wrote the song Motherless. That's on Michael. A lot of people have, you know, played it and cried and hit me on Twitter. I just miss her.

And I would like for her to know that her and my grandmother, you know, because my mama did, my grandmama did. So I'll start the record. I never said that I cried in the booth, you know, rapping it. And just because I wanted her to be proud. You know, I wanted her to know it worked. That's beautiful. That's it.

That's beautiful. So I could get that you would want, if you do die, to know who you were. Yeah. You know, but it's not required because, again, being raised in the Christian philosophy, like my grandmother told me, you know, she says, you know, in the next life, you don't remember. You know, you're not going to know if you get a chance to go to heaven because all the trauma and all that shit would come with you. And that's not supposed to be there. But it'd be nice to, you know, it'd be nice to carry the good memories.

I just wonder what that is when we think of ourselves. is when we think of ourselves. If we are this temporary thing, we think of ourselves in terms of our life, where we live, our friends, our behavior, our this, our that, but we're just this thing that's carrying itself through this dimension. One day, this physical thing that's carrying you around,

it's not going to work anymore. It's going to shut off. 100%. Unless there's some crazy new technology that gets invented in our time that reverses aging, which they're working on. Yeah, I know. But then what are you going to do? Then you have an overpopulation problem because no one's dying.

That's a real issue. Well, I think the poor people will still be dying, at least for the first 50 years of the technology. Oh, it'll be like cell phones. Yeah, and we ain't rich. Well, you are because your contract's a lot better than mine. Not that I have a bad one. You just told me you're a millionaire. I am, but I'm not a hundred millionaire.

No, millionaires aren't rich. When I was a millionaire, I felt rich as fuck. No, no, I feel rich, but it's in-rich. So there's a record called In-Rich on my album. Right, you do have that song. And it means Negro rich. What does that mean? A bad tax season and a couple lawsuits, two million kids.

I could be back to working at the auto zone. So you also could do exactly what I'm doing. And I think you'd have a massive voice. You would be fantastic at it. You are so good at speaking. You're so good at speaking publicly. You know, in the few times that I've seen you speak on political issues and social issues when you speak publicly, you're brilliant at it.

You're brilliant at it. Thank you. You're a great conversationalist. You're a kind person. Absolutely. And that's very, very important for a person like yourself, especially that has so much influence. Be a kind person.

Yeah, man. You can do it. Betty Clarence would say, be nice. Be nice. Be nice. She was a mean heifer in her day, though. My grandma. She would tell this story,

Joe, of how there was this, there was this pretty girl who went to school with him, you know, you know, dressed, the girl had to dress,

she had her hair pressed every day. My grandmother says, and that heifer gonna step on my foot and not say excuse me. I pulled all the hair out of it. I was just like,

you know, I was just like, woo, you were, you were quite the little wild witch in your day. Don't you think back then people were more inclined to like get in fights? Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. But her sister told me after she died, her sister said, that girl wasn't doing nothing to Betty. That girl wasn't doing nothing to Betty. That girl was just walking out of her own business. And Betty stood behind that door. So that girl hit her. And so my grandmother apparently had been such a meaning

in her life that by the time she got old enough and wise enough to raise us, she would just tell me and my sister stuff like that. Be nice. Because she had been mean. Yeah, she had learned a lesson. She probably had some bad feelings about it. Yeah, she did. And she was such a great... She ended up being a nurse,

taking care of a lot of people in the last days of their life. You know, even after some people I can remember people like Miss Hayes and running out of money. And my grandmother never stopped going. She never stopped taking care of that woman after her husband, Mr. Hayes, died. I was just like this. She would take us to the old folk homes, the Sadie Mays and Sundays as children. She'd make us go speak to people, greet them. She'd help the nurses change bedpans and stuff. And I think that she realized at some point in her life that what was more important was for her helping her fellow human being and her neighbor versus, you know, being mad because someone had slightly more than her. That's beautiful.

Well, that's just life, though, right? Learned lessons in life and acquired wisdom yeah yeah and trying to pass it on to your kids so they get to skip a couple steps that's what i realized that that ultimately she was teaching me and my sisters like yes like gets past the point of lusting like comparison is is that the thief of joy something i learned from watching her she never allowed us she figured it out yeah she did yeah her and my grandpa that's beautiful that's a different world back then man yeah let me think about it my grandfather would have saw her life and thought she was rich yeah because they her parents got a 30 acre farm yeah they

you know he's he's on shit he's in a a lumber company at eight you You know, Shay said to me, eight years old, at eight, at a lumber company. He was the first person to tell me bread has sawmilling. And I'm just like,

what you talking about, Granddad? He was like, the shavings, from what they put in them. I'm just like, get the fuck out of here. Then sometime,

at some point, yoga mats are in Subway Foods. You find out that there's something artificial that's making the bread, right? And all he was saying was they're putting shit in your food that's bad for you. It's not real.

You know, this is 83, 84 he's saying that to us. What was that yoga mat thing? Was it just a chemical that's used as a preservative? Yeah. It's also used in yoga mats. It sounds hilarious, though. But, you know, he was letting me know that industrial food is not. Right.

Which is why he would eat when he ate, say, a game of stuff. He'd ask my grandmother to make cornbread or he'd eat. He ate a lot of wheat bread. He didn't eat a lot of white bread at all. But I guess, man, they just at some point this has been figured out long before people were charging us for the information. Well, it's also people who lived a certain way before that where they didn't eat any preservatives and they didn't eat any bullshit

and there was no herbicides that were sprayed all over everything. Well, they did have DDT back then. That was a giant issue, man. They used DDT to protect people from insects. Back when they didn't know that DDT was super fucking toxic. Killing everybody. God damn. Do you know they still use that shit in India?

No. Yes. Over food? I don't know what they spray it on. But apparently people still get... See if you can find it, if that's true. I was reading about it. DDT was horrible.

Scary shit, man. Every now and then, they'll fuck up and do something like that and what's so around up that you were telling me about the chemical that gets sprayed on our vegetables well it's it's not just that it's that corn has been genetically modified in order to survive roundup yeah and so they spray it on. It just nukes everything but the corn. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. You know, the spraying of these things on golf courses and it gets in a water supply. I knew a dude who everyone in his neighborhood got cancer. Damn.

He had to get his bone in his thigh replaced with like this titanium rod because he had bone cancer in his thigh. It was explained to me that it was the runoff from the golf course. Because you've got to think, to keep those golf courses green, they've got to spray all kinds of shit in it. And it got into people's water supply. Damn. That's terrifying, man. That is, man.

That's terrifying. You're getting poisoned by the water. If you're next to a golf course, you're not in a poor neighborhood. No. No. That's what you're thinking about. You're thinking about middle class, lower to upper middle class neighborhoods. That's crazy.

I just got fucked by this. It's a very unnatural ecosystem. Like, why is there grass everywhere? Like, that's kind of crazy. Wow. Mike, you gotta get the fuck out of here. You're getting blown up. No, no, no. I was cool. That was just, there was

something I wrote as a note to think about that I'll pull up, but it was a similar thing. No, I'm no. I was cool. There was something I wrote as a note to think about that I'll pull up, but it was a similar thing. No, I'm cool. I mean, I'm Joe Rogan. What the fuck am I going to do? I'm so addicted to my phone. When I see people reaching for their phone, I know it. I get the pull.

No, I'm straight, bro. We're good. Actually, I'm reaching for the more important thing, the joint in the Ric Flair grinder. Yeah, we got Woo Chews. Who would have thought that Ric Flair one day would have his own weed brand? Deserved it. I only wish Dusty

Rose was still alive. To me, Ric always says that Jimmy Snuka was his greatest opponent. I disagree with him on that. It was dust. Because to me, they were the opposites that America needed in the 80s. It was the son of a plumber.

You put hard times on Dusty Rhodes, the leader of the four horsemen, high-flying style. To me, they were the two greatest examples for American maledom. I didn't even follow pro wrestling when I was 15, 16, when Ric Flair was popping. But I still loved Ric Flair. Whenever Ric Flair made it, what were the years that he made it? Everybody knew.

Oh, man, you talk about the early 80s through the early 90s. It was all Flair. Yeah, it was all Flair. This is them in the 80s. I didn't know they were doing this. Look at Duss. Look at Duss. Look at the hair.

The hair was amazing. Bro, how many times did he get slammed like that? Come on, man. Think of his life. After a plane crash and a broken back. Yeah, insane. And Dust was, to me, the equivalent of him from the working man's perspective, a shit talker. Look at Dust.

Yeah. Bro, we had Ric Flair on the podcast. Yes. And he was just telling us about the road stories, about going into these small towns and performing and getting drunk and picking up all the ladies. Come on, man. He was hilarious. Come on, man. He was hilarious.

You got to love it. Oh, my God. But the hard time speech that Dusty Rhodes gave, every man, man, Lord, if you want to be motivated, listen to that speech before you do whatever the fuck you're doing. What is it? It's called a hard time speech. It was a match set up and the four horsemen had jumped on Dusty Rhodes. You know, as a kid, you're invested emotionally into it. You know what I'm saying?

And Dust just gave this powerful speech. Look at him. He's in a fucking polo tie. He's BS denim on, though. Yes. Look at him. He's in a fucking polo tie. He's BS Denim on, though. Yes. Look at this shit. I would like to thank the many, many fans throughout this country that wrote cards and letters to Dusty Rhodes, the American Dream,

while I was down. Secondly, I want to thank Jim Crockett Promotions for waiting and taking the time because I know how important it was. Listen to those fans. They're rabid. Look out. Ooh. Okay.

Talk about it, Duff. How you feel, Duff? No honor. There is no honor among thieves in the first place. Tell them now. He put hard times on Dusty Rhodes. Come on. If you got to overcome something.

What hard times are, Daddy? What's hard times, Duff? Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work. They got four or five kids and can't pay their wages, can't buy their food. Come on, man. out of work. They got four or five kids and can't pay their wages, can't buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell them go home. Hard times are when a man has worked at a job 30 years

and they give him a watch and kick him in the butt and say, hey, a computer took your place. Come on, man. Listen to that shit in the morning. The computer took your place, daddy. Come on, man. That's hard time. Y'all think talking about A.I.S., come on, man. Listen to that shit in the morning. And Ric Flair, you put hard times on this country by taking Dusty Rhodes out.

That's hard time. That's it, Jamie. We can cut it. Come on, Jamie. Jamie, look at you smiling, man. You look like you feel good, man. Like you can overcome it all, man. That's an amazing speech. That's an amazing all, man. That's an amazing speech.

That's an amazing speech. That's an amazing speech. That's the very best aspect of pro wrestling. Absolutely. To me, that's the theater. That's the beauty of it. Executed to perfection. To perfection.

And everybody can do it. And it resonates with people. Yeah. What about those people? This is in the 80s where I remember when Hal Steele left. My grandpa used to work for him. My other grandpa. My dad all of a sudden had to start working another job.

When we start losing jobs, when car companies start saying, well, we'll go to this country. It's cheaper. Man, people in America fell on hard times. Yes. 100%. And that's where, where's Roger? Roger and me. Yeah, Roger and me. Yeah.

Roger and me. Yeah. That, um, that was Michael. That was Michael, right? Yes.

Michael Moore. Michael Moore. Yeah. It's an amazing doc. Part of my inspiration for doing trigger warning was Michael Moore. It's an amazing documentary because it just, it shows you the, the direct effects of pulling those jobs out.

And it was instantaneous. It was like the, the, the bottom came out of the swimming pool and all the water just went away like what the fuck yeah and you just left people to their own devices yeah and these people were and it's just for money yeah it's just for money it could it could have stayed in the united states they wanted an increased profit margin and they did you know and they killed the unions they i mean there was i mean they didn't kill the unions but they weakened them significantly what they had going on there was great wages and great programs, and they had plenty of money, and it was a good job to get.

Yeah. And I had friends that were in the union that worked in- my friend Justin, he- I forget which company he worked for, but some American company. Yeah. He said that there's a lot of these guys that were like these union guys, like they were sitting high on the hog and they wanted to keep that going and they wanted to make a lot of money. And the auto company was like, nope, I think we're just going to go to Mexico. Yep. And that is a wild decision.

It's a wild decision to make whatever more money, but to know that you're going to destroy a city. How did they let them do that? You know, there's some complexities that have gotten older, I understand, too, because at that time you have Japanese cars on the rise. And they've learned how to make a cheaper car.

Yeah. They've learned how to make a cheaper car. Very reliable. And efficient. They're making 20 years, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so they had to be competitive. You know, Americans were used to buying cars every two to four years because they felt like it. You know what I'm saying?

And all of a sudden that's got me on. My uncle worked for the city. It was a garbage truck driver. Could buy a brand new Cadillac every two to three years if he wanted to. And so, you know, there's always a balance of now people are invested. You got investors want greater returns.

It's, it wasn't just, I don't think it was a simple fuck you as much as in order to stay competitive, we're going to have to do the Dodge K car was shitty. They made some terrible cars. There's no doubt about that. It couldn't compete, but by the time they got it figured out,

they got it figured out, but it didn't get figured out in the 80s when it needed to, so it got decimated. But it's just that decision to take the companies and just shut them down there and move them to somewhere else where you could pay people less money it doesn't just involve money it involves like these all these people that work for you yeah is it supposed to be like some sort of sort of a community yeah they're all where you hopefully you enjoy being around each other working together you're just gonna crush all of their lives yeah that's a wild decision to their lives. Yeah. That's a wild decision to make.

It is. It is. It's a wild decision to make just for money. Yeah. And it's just one of those ones that just happened before most people were aware it was even going on. Yeah. And it happens in the middle of the crack era. I didn't know about it at all until that documentary.

Really? I knew something happened. Yeah. Detroit crashed. about it at all until that documentary really i know i knew something happened yeah troy crashed and but i didn't know the like the real fucking horrors yeah that those people went through when they just pulled the plug on it like that one of the most the coolest one a happiest moment i had i did a uh commercial for cadillac for a cadillac v they let me drive one for you. It was pretty dope. It wasn't a V, but it was pretty plush. The daughter, I mean the granddaughter

of an assembly line worker was the director of that department and over everything. And like you said, I just thought when you said community, that's what made me think about it. Her grandfather had worked the assembly line for the Cadillac GM which owns, of course, Cadillac, Chevrolet,

Buick, Olds, Pontiac, had been on the assembly line. the Cadillac GM, which owns, of course, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Buick, Olds, Pontiac, had been on the assembly line. And here was his granddaughter, college-educated now, running this department. That's ultimately, at its best, that's what this country can be. You know what I mean? But even when I say Dodge, like, you know, the K-Car didn't— Dodge was struggling. Lehigh Coke, I think, was over at the time.

He couldn't bring it home for that. But shit, by the time a single father who's a black dude, when it came time, the 2009s and 10s, when it came time to bring the Charger back, he was like, we're going to give guys a four-door muscle car. And did it. And they've been dominating ever since. You know what I'm saying? In terms of just cool muscle car shit.

People like cool shit. Yeah, people like cool shit. And I believe America, that's what separates the swag shop from other barbershops. The same thing that separates American cars from some other,

you know, affordable cars like motherfuckers, our shit is cool. Yeah. There's undeniable coolness in that Challenger. Yes. The rumble of that thing.

I mean, that thing, it looks like a modern, old super car, a model old muscle car. And when you're 6'3", like me, it's comfortable as shit. It's a big car. Yeah. And just in terms of the interior of it, I drove a few years ago, GM took me, sorry,

GQ took me out to drive the Hellcat, the Mustang, and the Camaro. Enjoyed every one of the rides. Was most comfortable in that cat. You know, ass fit, seatbelt wasn't too tight. You know what I mean? And it just got a great amount of pickup. It just feels good. Even if you don't use it.

It's a violent drive, though. Like, you and I are used to muscle cars. It's a violent drive. Yeah, it's not like the acceleration of a Subaru. No, no. Even Subarus, they make that WRX. That thing is fast as shit. But there's something about those, those preposterous.

Look at this. That's a beautiful car. It's a beautiful car. I mean, they fucking nailed it. They really did make like a modern version of a muscle car. I drove a Hellcat. I did a special. Oh, look at that thing go.

I drove a Hellcat. I did a special. Oh, look at that thing go. I drove a Hellcat in 2014. Yeah. I was in Denver. They let me borrow it when I was filming my special. Yeah. And it was, I was like, it's like a big GT car. That's what it's like. Yeah.

It's like a big two-door, like super comfortable. And it's all American. Yeah. Funny as shit. Who knows where the parts are coming from? I had a call from my bro, man. My guy Gerard sells Atlanta. I got a call from G.

He's like, bro, my man just hit me in Augusta. They got one for this price. All you got to do is come grab it. It's raining, and I got a podcast to do with one of the homies, Seaball, from Perber and All-Stars. Me and Shea and G Ubered down there. Or I think, no, just me and her Ubered down there to Augusta,

which is like two hours away. You two-hour Ubered? Yeah, we two-hour Ubered. So you had to drive it back. We went down there to pick it up. Took cash down there. Like, yo, we came with the money. This asshole car salesman, like, car places, please get rid of the assholes. Like, yo, we came with the money. This asshole car sales, like, car places, please get rid of the assholes. Like, South

Atlanta Mercedes with the asshole who I'll tell you a story about later who didn't just want to say I'm sorry and apologize and lost a customer for life. But, we went down there, said, yo, this is the price you want. This is what we got. Agreed upon the price. And then right at the last minute, this guy just decided he didn't want to be out

negotiated by a chick. So he tried to add an extra like $500,000 on something. And she's like, nope, we're not paying it. And she's like, excuse me? You don't get the car? She's like, nope, we're not paying it. We're going to pay you this much. We got a car. We know you guys can't get this car

off to relatively quickly. It's the end of the month, so you got to get shit. This is what we're paying. And the dude's like, well, we're not going to get, she's like, well, Snow Uber's going to come get us now. We're going to leave with this car. Who's your boss?

She has them call the general manager, the guy over the whole thing. And she says, excuse me, sir, I want to give you this much money cash, but this motherfucker right here is tripping over $500 a gram. And she looks at her

and looks at the guy and says, give her the fucking car. And we drive that motherfucker back to Atlanta to make a drive. I told her, girl, to be a woman,

you got balls. Because I was ready to be like, what the fuck is $500? I don't pay, you know what I mean? She was like, no, we're not doing it.

That is some sneaky shit. Yeah, man. Tag it on once you've already gotten there. Yeah, and she was just like, nah, we ain't doing it.

I wanted the car so bad. You know what I'm saying? I'm just a car. I don't give a fuck. I pay strippers. I get it. But it's just dealing with a person like that that does that. That's that funny scene in Fargo where they're always trying to upcharge.

Yeah. That was such a great movie. That was a great fucking movie. But that's just the weird thing about people when that's their job. Their job is to sell you shit. Yeah. That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to bullshit you

and sell you some shit. So I get a South Atlanta Mercedes shit. So I go, I take her S550 down there. Should we blow this up like this? Yeah,

because the dude's a fucking asshole. I'm not going to name his fucking name, but the guy who's over the whole department is amazing. He was cool as fuck. But there's this guy. So I go in, my last name his fucking name, but the guy who's over the whole department is amazing. He was cool as fuck, but there's this guy.

So I go in. My last name is Render, which is a very rare last name. It's not a lot. Usually if you say Render within the Southeast, we're related in some capacity. So I had called him and said, hey, how much for this? Give me an estimate. I'll see if I'll do it.

When I got down to the estimate that they told me was radically different, like double or triple. I'm like, this is what the fuck you told you. So you were talking about five, six grand. It's my fucking time.

I'm 14 grand or something. This doesn't make any sense. Right. Um, the guy says, I told the lady, I said, there has to be some mistake.

Let's figure it out. So the guy comes from the back and he's total, total, like I was a sucker in high school, so now I got a tattoo sleeve. I got a funky haircut, and now I'm just a fucking man-type guy. And I'm just like, yeah, I'm like, there used to be some type of shit. Oh, there's no mistake. I'm like, excuse me?

I'm like, hold on, why are you talking loud to me? Don't do that. You know what I mean? And we end up, he's like, I'm going to show you, and you're going to have to pay. And I'm just like, no, there's a mistake here. So whoever was there, their name was Shea, S-H-A-E. My wife's name is S-H-A-Y. When they put her in.

Name's actually Shea, S-H-A-N-A. But S-H-A-Y is how they put her in there. And I'm just like, after going back and forth this motherfucker for like eight minutes i looked and i said motherfucker that's not my wife what the fuck you talking about this is her and he looks at me and it just drains out of his face you can see he's like oh i fucked up i've accused the customer of lying i would have been double he doesn't have the respect to say I apologize and literally just shake my hand. He doesn't have the respect to do that.

So I told them, when I went back and talked to the guy who ran the auto department, I said, man, you've been great. I'll never use you guys again. And I plan on buying a Mercedes, and I'll never buy from here. I'll drive 40 minutes north to Buckhead, and I'll buy it from another dealership. I'll never shut there. And if I come back and that guy's fired, hehead, and I'll buy it from another dealership. Whoa. Just I'll never shut there. And now if I come back and that guy's fired, he's gone, you know, I'll reconsider. So when I go back home, I'll go peek in.

Are you still here? Nope. Fuck you. You know? Just because you can't do that, man. You can't. Poor customer service. When I talk to my employees.

Why is he raising his voice? At me. I'm just like, bro, like, don't do that. You know, like, I don't. He doesn't even know what's going on yet. Yeah, yeah. Shouldn't he initially say, is this you? Or let's just go to my office and get this thing figured out.

Right. But imagine just that, showing you that. You would look right out and go, no. And that you would be done. That would have been it. That would be instant. That would have been it. But people want to be right.

Yeah. That's the problem with. That would be instant. That would have been it. But people want to be right. Yeah. That's the problem with online shit sometimes. Yeah, 100%. People want to, they like to fight. Yeah. They want to be right.

Well, people like to talk. People don't like to fight for real. No, not for real. I was just in a hotel in New York and a guy was, I was just like, a guy wanted to fight. And I'm just like,

you don't want to fight. Like, first I can fight a little. But the little I can't fight, I want to fight. And I'm just like, you don't want to fight. Like, first I can fight a little. But the little I can't fight, I'm going to take this thumb and I'm going to put it in your eye. And you're not going to have an eye the rest of your life. Because you're going to want to walk up to me and you're going to want to talk shit. I'm going to fang like I'm afraid. And I'm going to put my thumb right in your eye until I touch the back of your skull. And you're not going to have an eye.

Because that's how I fight. He was a security guard. And he attempted to say something. I skull and you're not going to have an eye because that's how I fight. He was a security guard and he was he attempted to say something. I said, you're lying. Don't lie to me. I've only stayed in this place the last decade. I've spent over a quarter million dollars staying here. Don't don't do that. Don't lie to me. You know, just go get me someone who can accommodate me. But, you know, it turned into a well, he thought it was a yelling match. I was telling my customer fuck you now I say

if you hit me now I'm going to sue the hotel but if you walk up to me and get within these many inches I'm going to feign and I'm going to put my thumb through your fucking eye

that's for real that's anywhere in the world so just know when you run up on me trying to fight you might leave Alice because I'm not going to fight you

not going to fight you yeah don't fight people yeah don't fight don't invite to fight if you want to fight go do what I'm going to do you. Yeah, don't fight people. Yeah, don't fight. Yeah, don't invite to fight. If you want to fight, go do what I'm going to do when I go on. Go join a jiu-jitsu class. You know, get slammed on your back by someone who knows what the fuck they're doing. But on a street fight, there are no rules.

I'm not fucking boxing you. I'm not letting you get your arm around my neck. I'm going to go for the softest, weakest point on your body. If I have a blade on me, I'm going to stab you in your throat. And you're going to have to figure out how to stop that artery from bleeding but I'm not fighting you I stopped that fighting shit in high school yeah and you're not trying to fight and I'm not fighting yeah fuck trying to fight yeah I don't want to fight I want to smoke marijuana yeah go see the wonderful ladies of the blue flame with my lady. I want to drive muscle cars.

I am not into having who's got the biggest dick contest in our 40s. No. Beautiful. No. That way, if someone does want to fight you, it's 100% them. Yeah. It's not me. It's not me.

But if you get within my striking distance, yeah, I'm not going to let you hit me. It's dangerous. People are dangerous. You never know what people are going to do. I had that situation with Dave in L.A. Yeah. The guy ran up on stage. Yeah, we're not going to do that.

Guy ran up on stage with me in South by Southwest, me and LP. That's when I first tore my first rotator cuff tear. The guy was schizophrenic, God bless his soul, homeless guy, you know. But, man, you got to be prepared. Mickey, such a carry trainer on – Mick has a podcast I'm jumping on, too. But Mick talks about that all the time, and he puts it up on his page, his situational awareness. Best thing to do is just get the fuck out of there.

Yeah. Like I would say, when a dude kind of walks in, like, yo, what the fuck? I don't want to start laughing. Step back. What the fuck is this dude doing? Let this elevator come. Let me get the fuck out of here. Because, you know, I mean, I don't want to, you know, I'm like an animal.

If you look at a lion, a lion before a lion, a lion sees a human coming, oh, let me get the fuck out of here. Humans are smaller, weaker, but they don't let me get the fuck out of here. I've heard they kill some shit. Let me get the fuck out of here. But if pressed, it's going to come out their corner fighting. So, yeah. Hence, raccoons kick dogs' asses. Black people shouldn't keep using that as an insult to one another.

Raccoons are pretty gnarly. The craziest thing is watching badgers fight off wolves. They fight off everybody. Everybody can fuck off. Yeah. Those little things. They're low and mean. They're crazy.

That's a wild little. Which college has the badgers? What's their name? Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Probably a lot of badgers. He's a blizzard. Look at him over there.

This is your Scotty Pippen, bro. Don't get old and mean like Scotty, man. Don't do that. Don't turn on Joe. What's a blizzard. This is your Scotty Pippen, bro. Don't get old and mean like Scotty, man. Don't do that. Don't turn on Joe. What's that about? Man, what the fuck? That makes me sad. When you have a hoary wife, though, you know?

Wives and children can drive good kings mad, man. God bless, man. Yeah, it's true. It definitely can happen. Your life is in a shambles. I mean, if you read the Bible, it's a pretty interesting book, the first half, man. Yeah, it's true. It definitely can happen. Your life is in a shambles. I mean, if you read the Bible, it's a pretty interesting book, the first half, man. When it talks about the kings and their want for women, you look at King David and his want for Bathsheba. Sent the man to the front lines to die, you know.

And it's been throughout history. People have been involved in those kind of situations. The wrong person in your life. I actually think that's what parts of the Bible are about. Again, I'm not a believer in even Abrahamic religion when I was raised, so I'm trying to take lessons from what I learned. A lot of that shit was just about, bro. Yeah.

It gets crazy, bro. You know what I'm saying? It gets crazy. That's their version of it gets crazy, bro. It gets crazy, bro. Yeah. Think about what you're doing. Lessons to learn. Yeah. Be careful what you ask for, bro. It gets crazy, bro. Think about what you're doing. Lessons to learn.

Yeah, be careful what you ask for, bro. You wanted her, bro. Your first child is going to die with her. It's like, God damn, bro. But you get an amazingly talented kid out of her, too. You get to redeem it all. But God's going to let you feel it a little. How much would you pay to have been there when they first started writing that stuff down?

Try to figure out what did you know? Where are you getting these stories from? I just would have liked to inject, hey, man, can we keep, can we, you know, can we make sure Africa, you know, we could talk more about the black folks. You know, that's all I would have just been like. Yeah, how come it's not in there? Yeah, like, bro, like, come on, bro. You know we were there. Like, not only there, you know Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya. You know all this shit once was just Nubia, even before it was called Egypt.

Like, come on, bro. Like, a lot of this shit is based on, like, why do the Ten Commandments sound eerily like these affirmations from Egypt? Like, what? You know, I would have said, but you know, man, I got to just say, man, to Western society, propaganda, man, y'all have mastered this shit. Whoever the fuck, you know what I'm saying?

When the church decided, yo, blacks and Jewish people, man, they're like animals, you can enslave them. And Ferdinand and Isabella was like, fuck it, let's run this shit. Y'all propaganda campaign been mean, man. And not because it necessarily subjugated people like me to brute the brutalities of slavery and shit like that. It convinced poor white people that we're good for you. One of the most brutal things about not wanting to know true and factual history is you don't understand how you're being fucked over, too.

It's like if you look at the word cracker, cracker is not something that black people made up. I used to think, you know, when you were young, you would hear it means whip cracker. It wasn't. It was a derogatory term that people in the United Kingdom use for country or slower white folks, crackers and gypsies. Gypsies were the people known to populate upper Georgia, lower Tennessee, Alabama, places like that. Redneck was also one of the terms. We didn't make these terms up. These terms came from the master class or what they would call the planner class who used poor white people. And when too many, Tim Wise talked about this, when too many poor white people and black people who were seen as equals at one point kind of united and had a few rebellions,

they were like, no, we got to put an end to this shit. You know? So I would just say, man, I wish that whoever was writing the Bible or remixing it would have put a little more commonality in there. So you wouldn't get all this weird, funky division and the master still kind of rule us all, you know? Well know it's still always the people that are in charge that are disseminating that information initially and they're always they always have some sort of an interest in framing it in a way that suits them the best like even in the foundation of the country all men are created equal yeah so what they had to do to justify that is to say that black men are three-fifths of a man. Yep, three-fourths.

So they're literally putting it into the way they structure the country. Yeah. And there was an economic incentive to do it, you know? Yes. And that doesn't make it right, but it helps my community understand that this shit's about money and why they did it. But why did the church do it? It's just, you got to think about that though,

before we get to America and I guess the church, the Catholic church at one point says, we can go ahead and tell everybody all human beings are equal. Let's stop bullshit. But instead they choose to say Jews and black people are different. And Ferdinand and Isabella and Portugal and said, well, fuck it.

It's all. And you,inand and Isabella and Portugal and well, fuck it, it's all. And the transatlantic slave trade starts. So my thing is getting back to why was the Bible written like that, gets back to, so why would the church allow that? And then you get to ask, well, if the church allowed that, then why aren't they included in there? You know, and beyond

who's the bad guy, what empires in Africa are we not talking about? What Africa are we not talking about? What kings have we not talked about? What great and glorious? Because the Greeks looked at Africans like they were gods. Yes. They look at these motherfuckers.

These are the illest motherfuckers on earth. Whoever was there during the construction of the pyramids has created the most insane structures the world's ever known. Count Volney says, and they made him retract it, but he said of ruins of empires, he said, it is obvious to me that the people we now subjugate to slavery, these dark haired, kinky, kinky hair, these dark, kinky hair people were once the rulers and builders. They put this shit here. He said that he was an Orientalist, which were people who were sent out of their countries to go study Asia, Eastern African shit. This motherfucker standing there like, the motherfuckers that built this shit. Somehow we've subjugated slavery. And when people say, you know, if you were smart enough to build that, how could you be made a slave?

Genghis Khan wasn't particularly smart. He was violent and brutal. And a lot of times the people who won have been the most violent and brutal. Well, Genghis Khan was both. But, you know, he was both violent, brutal, and very intelligent. But just intelligent from a military way? Yes. Tactically. No, no, but

I'm talking beyond military. Like, what did he build? Oh, there was no building. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but it was just figuring out how to destroy empire. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's not the same, though, as building an empire. You get what I'm saying? No, it's definitely not the same. Yeah, it that's what I'm saying. That's not the same, though, as building an empire. You get what I'm saying? No, it's definitely not the same.

Yeah, it doesn't, you know, I know some gang leaders that are comparable to war generals, right? But the question becomes, who are the people that are going to build the next empire? And I think that that's where the danger in the old world of when the church was really a government, the church conspiring with warlords for certain things to be destroyed so they can then come and assume control over. You know, because ultimately, even the most brutal people don't end up winning. The most shrewd people do. That small circle of brilliant motherfuckers that know how to control. Like, you know, beyond Genghis, who were his advisors?

Who profited most from it you know what i'm saying he was famous for capturing armies and incorporating their generals yeah that's he would you know and and if if someone tried to surrender he would just kill them because he would say well what are you gonna do with me like why would i do that oh shit so they would say i i've surrendered i've come i'm you. And he'd go, oh, really? Well, I'm going to fucking kill you because you have no loyalty, piece of shit. Oh, wow. But he would take over with certain generals and he would bring them in and just accept them. He was completely open to any religion.

He goes, I don't give a fuck what your religion is. He was brilliant for that. You could be whatever you want. We're here to fuck people up. Yeah. Okay? And fuck because apparently he left a lot of descendants. Oh, my God.

Yeah, it was like, one of us three has Genghis Khan blood in our body, apparently. It's something crazy like that. We've talked about it many times, and I always forget what the percentage is. My assistant, Rhonda, is hitting me. I think we got 10 minutes. All right. Let's get the fuck out of here. She's been an asshole about it.

Mike, you're the man. I love you, brother. I love you, too. You know that already. Thank you very much. Thanks for the shit. You're brilliant. Your new album's incredible. I hope you start a podcast You know that already. Thanks for the shit. Your new album's incredible.

I hope you start a podcast. Mike, definitely. Michael, go fuck with him. Look at that, man. Look at that cute little chubby motherfucker, man. Bye, everybody. Bye.