The Joe Rogan Experience - #2009 - Duncan Trussell

Episode Date: July 18, 2023

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, and creator of "The Midnight Gospel" on Netflix. www.duncantrussell.com

the Joe Rogan experience let's go what's happening hello doctor hello doctor hello I feel good to be in a lab coat it feels like my opinion means more. Dude, it does. I mean, this is freaking incredible. Like, you don't realize the power in costumes until you got a lab coat on. Like, if we were walking around a CVS, people would ask us for advice. They would probably be like, is this the right spray for me?

Isn't it amazing? It's amazing. Like, what is the purpose of a lab coat? Like, why this particular coat? Does this provide any protection? Is it good for the act? You want monkey blood on your good shirt? You got to wear the lab coat because you get blood.

Right. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when many scientific breakthroughs happened, the white lab coat started to symbolize cleanliness and scientific rigor. Not only it made doctors and scientists easily distinguishable, but it also made spotting any contamination easier. That makes sense. Was that a problem back then, mixing up your doctor with your scientist? Is that a real problem? Is that what they're saying?

It says it makes doctors and scientists more easily. Oh, together. Yeah. They're both wearing. They're both wearing. It's not like costumes, like doctor costumes, scientists. Right. You go to a doctor. Doctor, help me.

I'm not that kind of doctor. I'm a PhD. I study nuclear atoms. I like that that acknowledges that this is a kind of ceremonial outfit. It's a priest's robe because it's like symbolic more than practical for some people. Well, there's a bunch of those, right? Like the judge's robe. Oh, my God.

That's so weird. How weird is that? Because if you had a guy who's dressed like in a golf shirt with like shorts on and a pair of nikes and he's like ruined judgment on things he'd be like fuck that guy who's that guy yeah he's a regular guy like a tank top a dude in a tank top with a mullet a dude is dressed like joe dirt also the Right. They bang the hammer to like signify that justice has been served. What a weird trick. That is a weird, I mean, this is, when you realize how all of society has got occult aspects to it.

Like those are people in ceremonial clothes. Yeah. Banging a ceremonial hammer. If not occult, definitely cult. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Yeah.

What's the root of cult and occult? Like, what is the connection to those two words? The devil. Satan. Satan. There's got to be some kind of connection right the fascinating thing about cults is that when they get to a certain size we stop calling them cults yeah like they're really successful the idea is that there's no such thing as a successful

cult and that's really just not true okay the words cult and occult are popular terms that should not be confused as one or other. So what are the differences between them? The term cult typically is used by the secular media to describe religious or semi-religious groups whose members are controlled in almost every single respect by a single individual. Some good examples are hard Christians and Scientologists but that's not like a single individual I don't think that's a good definition you know I'm saying a single individual that's not I think that is a group

that's the classic I mean that right but they're saying Scientology Scientology clearly has an organization I mean there's one guy that's the head of Scientology but you have like a whole, it's a very complex organization. Very complex. Oh, well, I mean, I think the idea is that the, so the main cult leader generally has like, The doctrine.

Deputies around them. Okay. You know, he has his own sort of close inner circle. Right. And that case is true, right? The bigger it gets and the deputies have deputies or whatever you want to call it and then and that's how you get a big functional cult right right you know and

and i think probably i mean it would be safe to say that a successful cult passes that barrier between what what the fuck you guys believe that shit to what the fuck you don't believe that shit like your cult doctrine becomes the like language of truth yeah and then you've succeeded like then your cult way that's like the that you're one in a hundred million maybe most cults just fail I imagine yeah that but that seems to be just a natural pattern for for human thinking and behaving that we for whatever reason like naturally fall into groupthink oh yeah and if we're led by a very strong charismatic person that we think is exceptional we'll accept it yeah right like you and

and I you know we've talked about this I see the function in that like if you like if you're in Exceptional. We'll accept it. Yeah, right. We've talked about this. I see the function in that. If you're in a situation that you don't know how to handle, you want the person who's the best at handling the situation to say, here's what we do. And then that's great. Then that's when it works. But it should be situational, right?

It shouldn't be like you know everything. That's where it turns into a cult. But it should be situational, right? It shouldn't be like you know everything. Right. That's where it turns into a cult. Well, that's like, what is that term that some people that are really smart tend to believe they're really smart at other things? Because they're really smart at one thing, they'll get a distortion. It's a very common term. I know what you're saying. It's at the tip of my tongue.

It's a distortion. But it's a thing that happens to you when you're really good at one thing, where you think you're just exceptional, period. Right. And you think you know more about me. You know, like there's scientists that are really terrible about health. They're probably brilliant when it comes to certain aspects of whatever it is they study. String theory. Yeah, sure. But their knowledge of health, their knowledge of how to work their own like I've talked to scientists

Like I don't think vitamins are important like fuck are you saying? Dining Kruger, thank you the smart it So it says the smarter you feel the dumber you are The dumb people think they are smart and the smart people think they're dumb If you're like most people you're likely to be very good at something and you openly admit you're less competent at something else. However, we've all met someone in our work and life who always overestimates their knowledge or ability of a certain topic or skill. Where some people are obviously incompetent in a particular subject,

you like confidently insist they know everything. That's when you start to wonder how on earth could this person be that well stupid in fact This is not uncommon even William Shakespeare mentioned it 400 plus years ago The fool thinks himself to be wise while a wise man knows himself to be a fool today This phenomenon is known as cognitive bias of a losing their superiority so Today, this phenomenon is known as cognitive bias of illusionary superiority. So, but it does have something to do with you being good at something and being really stupid at other things because you think you're smart. What a great insult to tell someone that they have a Dunning-Kruger. Yeah, that is a great way to call someone dumb. Yeah, well, it's interesting because that's what, this is the problem with the term dumb.

Really what it is, is what are you focusing on? Because there's very intelligent people that didn't focus on communication. They didn't focus on language. They didn't focus on proper grammar or how to structure a good sentence. on proper grammar or how to structure a good sentence. Yeah. They focused on a particular act, whether it's swimming

or whether it's chess or whether... They focused on whether it's playing guitar, playing pool. I've met brilliant people playing pool. Right.

I think I've told you about my friend Johnny who could do complex math in his head. Yeah. I mean, not complex, but math in his head. So what you would do, one guy would have a calculator, and we would do this at the pool hall.

And then we would go 300 divided by 5 minus 4 plus 16 times 2, and he would bang. He would just rattle it out. We would go, what the fuck, man? Yeah, what the fuck man yeah what it what the fuck and he was homeless did he say how he did the trick no he just knew how to do it holy he could just count dude he was just insanely smart but that implies like that's there was a kid uh in my neighborhood who could do that and it was the like he was annoyed because once you are known as being able to do that, that's all people do.

They don't want to talk to you. They just want to get you to solve complex math and then go like, holy fuck. But like it makes me think that like they're perceiving reality in a completely different way. They must be. They must be. They have to be. They must be. They must be.

They must be. They have to be. They must be. And this guy, Johnny, he had a lot of mental health problems, like serious mental health problems and drug problems. But he was one of the most brilliant people I've ever met and socially brilliant. You know, he's a pool hustler. Yeah. But he's very socially brilliant.

Like he knew when people were full of shit. Yeah. He knew when people's egos were flaring up he knew like and he loved comedy it was like his favorite thing and so i met him at the pool hall and i took him to see comedy and you know i took him to one of my shows and he fucking loved and he's like oh i love when they call people out on their bullshit like it was like he was like a social scientist, but also could play all these different musical instruments. Homeless. Homeless.

I met a kid who was 16 years old, and he was a chess wizard who wanted to hang out with the bad boys. It was really interesting because he was like this super nerd that all of a sudden he was hanging out with these guys who were smoking and gambling. And he was 16 in this really rough pool hall. And he would sit down with this guy who just got out of jail. And this guy had just got out of jail. And in jail, learned how to play chess in his head. So they don't have a board. So because they don't have a board, they have to call out the numbers in their head.

So I'm watching this recently released prisoner and a 16-year-old super nerd play chess in their head. And they're calling it out. I'm sitting there like I'm watching them do magic. What? Yeah. So like C to 4, 7. Yep, yep, yep. And they're keeping track of the whole table in their head. They just see it in their head. And there was no arguments, by the way.

It's just, you know, you hear about you know, I think we talked about it at the mothership the other night, but you hear about people who perceive numbers as colors or something. It's like their brain has made a different connection. Because if you think about what our eyes do with photons, that's insane. That instantaneously it forms time- around you with like zero effort like it's interpreting all this data color wavelengths all that shit it's crazy yeah grapheme color synthesia so i want to

show you people playing chess in their head because it's crazy to watch but what i was saying there was no arguments like they never said no no I had this that there there was none of that Right, they knew exactly both knew exactly where everything was and they were like check Check they're seeing the table and yeah, yeah, really it's like they're going to visual It's like they're just seeing it and so and they're keeping track of all their pieces and all their opponents pieces. Yeah Yeah, man, I mean track of all their pieces and all their opponents pieces yeah yeah man i mean that's wild watch them do it it's really interesting to see do you have that it's called blindfolded chess okay it's a skill apparently i'm watching i'm looking at oh it's got to be a skill there's videos of people teaching you how to do it oh wow um but i'm trying to this is just like people talking about it i'm

just trying to find a like a game, I guess. It's not showing two people, though. It's not, it's kind of hard to watch. Is there one that says how two people playing blindfolded chess? I figured something would pop up by playing chess in hand. Is that it, mate? No.

Yeah. Three man chess is head to head to head mental combat. That's just a different kind of chess. See, that's what I thought this was going to be. What is it called again? This is something else. What do they call it? Blindfolded chess?

How about just type in two people playing blindfolded chess? Chess. There it is. Blindfolded chess. It's just one guy. Here's a guy playing 48 games blindfolded. Jesus Christ. Wow.

What? While he's riding an exercise bike. Oh my God, that's so insane. Same time. Oh my God, that is so insane. What? Is there a video? 80% win rate.

Can you imagine getting beaten at chess by that? I feel so bad. He says he developed a technique of a memory palace. Oh, my God. That is used by memory competitors, usually to remember things like numbers or the order of playing cards. He said each game is like a room in a palace. Yeah.

It's all there. He explained to chess.com. I walk into my kitchen to see that stack of bananas. The abstract images are an analog for specific moves. So presumably he now knows a lot of different fruits. Wow. That is so insane. That memory palace shit is really interesting because you're like

you're connecting your memory to the visual yeah so i can go back to the beginning and you can go through each i wouldn't i wonder if that i mean this is essentially a short-term memory thing you're you're relying upon i wonder if that i wonder if that does anything for your long-term memory, too. I wonder if chess... They do say that chess is one of the very best games for just your cognitive function. Makes sense. It's super complex. Yeah.

I mean, think of... It's basically like running with your brain. Yeah. Right? Did you ever get into it? No. I got scared. It's pretty i i only got into it because i had a cool video game where the chess pieces could fight and so that made me like get

interested in like the most surface level i mean i was horrible but you know the opening moves and how each opening move there's statistically i the right opening, second move to do against the opening move. And then all these combos and shit that you have to memorize. It's so, and then you have to think so many moves ahead. So based on all the possible things they might do. Yeah. Producing all these parallel chess timelines. And you're trying to pick the one that's like the one you win in

chess falls into that whole golf thing with me i'm sure i'd love it yeah but i don't want to do that i don't i don't have any time for anything new like that i already have a problem with pool you know i i i fucking want to play it all the time yeah well i mean it's a lot easier for me to level up in Diablo 4 than go to the gym. Right, right. Like infinitely easier. And my brain does not produce the same level of pleasure leaving the gym. But what is it, like 30% of that? And I think sometimes if you are particularly weak you'll just settle for

that you're like yeah you know what that's fine I'll enjoy that and then it just goes on and on you know you need to have undisciplined people on your show sometimes because I'm always struggling with it you know what I mean and you're like disciplined you but I'm I am like it's an aspiration and so I'll get going to the gym i'll start working out i'll feel better than i've ever felt in my life you know what got me to the gym by the way i started going the last podcast you described how you feel not working out and i'm like that's the last two years of my life and then you know so i'm like fuck i gotta do this and like you know walking out it's simultaneously wonderful and kind of sad because you walk out

and you're like i feel so good like yeah this is all i i just had to do this yeah it wasn't painful it's fun yeah and now i feel great and you you're like, fuck, man, two years. Two years I went off of it. That's scary. You know what I mean? When you're oscillating between those two modes, you know, and you don't want to get stuck in the devil's mode. But you know it's a possibility. You know, you somehow have glued yourself to that this one like

you you don't seem to really like fall off you know did you at first no it's uh necessary for me and it's necessary for me for mental health and also i'm not I don't want my body to fail. I've seen people my age that don't exercise and their shoulders don't work and their knees are fucked and they're always tired. That's not a good way to go through life. If you want to enjoy life, you want to have as much energy as possible. And the best way to have as much energy as possible is to be really fit. Be really fit and healthy and eat good foods and take a lot of vitamins take supplements take you know eat healthy food try to stay the

fuck away from processed garbage don't drink too much right don't don't do anything bad for your health because your your your energy depends upon this physical form and it's literally made out of what you put in it yeah it's literally made out of that both with effort and with food right and with sleep yeah the effort that you take to sleep right and then also the effort you take to have a stress-free environment you know the the effort that you take to put out as as little bullshit as you can and to, like, be nice to people as often as you can and just sort of keep harmonious, fun people around you. Yes. You feel better.

Yeah. You know, like, when... If I'm going through something, like, some friends of mine are squabbling and I have to, like, get in between them and have conversations. I fucking hate it. I hate it.

The worst. I hate when people's feelings are hurt. I hate when people are mad at other people. I fucking hate it. And I think a lot of times it can be avoided. But if you're not avoiding it and you're just jumping at it all the time, your stress levels are so high. Your comfort levels are so low. You're always going to be feeling like shit.

And there's people that get caught up in a cycle of that. They're always calling people out and getting called out and insulting and trying to find the deepest burn. And keep that shit out of your life too. Keep that shit out of your life too keep that shit out of your life but you know don't don't not call things out when something's atrocious right but but just the less bullshit you have in your life whether it's bullshit you have to deal with because you didn't exercise where your body's breaking down it's like car maintenance like if you just don't ever change your oil, you could go a long time. I dated this girl once when I was 22,

and she told me she had never changed the oil in her car. What? I go, how long have you had this car? She started the car, it was like literal black smoke was coming out of the back. Holy shit. She had a Firebird. And I was like, you've never changed your oil?

She never changed her oil. But her car was still driving. That's a lot of humans' bodies. It's the same thing. It's very similar. You're not doing the maintenance. Right. Yeah.

Man, it is, it's interesting. You just described two parallel universes that exist side by side. And if I had to bet, there are more people in the discordant, is that what you'd say? In the inharmonious reality than the harmonious one. I think that probably, I mean, it's cynical to say but probably what? 70% of people to some degree are

stuck in the gravity well of whatever those things. It's a gravity well. Because that's the thing, man. You know, climbing out of that fucking hole is the hardest part. But that hole has its own gravity.

And the gravity is around addiction to just the stuff you were describing. You're addicted to drama. You're addicted to eating shitty food. You're addicted to, like, staying up late and doom scrolling or whatever. It's a gravity. And so then you've got to crawl out of it to get into that other place. And you get in that other place and generally the first thing you think is, God, this is incredible. But then the more you stay in that place, you kind of forget how bad it felt in the other place.

And that's where the pattern can like you get sucked back into the gravity well. You don't like stay steady in the discipline yeah i think that's a lot of people like that is it it's more people than not because our natural human instincts are to you know it's like to squabble it's like there's natural squabble that's built into people but it's a pattern of behavior it's a pattern of behavior. It's a pattern of thinking. You can recognize that it's a dangerous pattern or a shitty pattern or an unproductive pattern. And overall a negative pattern. Just get it out of there. You can do that.

I've done it. You can do it. People can do it. You got to learn what it is. You got to admit your own aggression. Yes. Because if you don't, then you trick yourself as you engage in some conversation. Yeah. Into thinking that there is an aggression behind it.

And, you know, I don't know if you can get rid of all aggression and confrontation. Like, I don't know if it's possible to fully drop it. I imagine. But, you know, listening to other people, too like i try i have to do that if you're like you you you were being short you know or you were whatever it's like you gotta listen think it's even though i don't think i was right your our volume your volume might be different or something we were having a conversation about this last night in the green room too it's like the way we talk to each other as comics

like you know everyone had a story of how they talked to their wife or their spouse like a comic once you know like what the fuck did you think was gonna happen you know where like the way you would say something to me like if i did something really stupid you're like what the fuck did you think was gonna happen and i would start laughing. But you can't make those kind of jokes sometimes with regular people. Like regular people where you're insulted. Like you could say like the most heinous joke to Tony Hinchcliffe, and he would fall on the ground laughing, holding his tongue. Yes.

You could say terrible things about him and connecting him to Joffrey from Game of Thrones, and he'll be on the ground laughing. Right? But if you do that to just a regular guy that you work with, it's very likely he's going to be severely upset. Oh, yes. Very butthurt. And we are so used to talking to each other like that. Dude, I've made, like, permanent, I don't want to say enemies, but I know there's people who like won't talk,

won't talk to me now. Cause I forgot that. And just, you know, I just out of habit. Yeah. Just you interact with them. Uh,

and you can't, you can't do that. No, you can't. I just put, I just put a tear, eye drops in my eyes. So my face was wet as though from tears walked out in the living room and told our midwife that obama had died like and thank god she has

she laughed sense of humor but then suddenly i was like what the fuck am i doing my wife is looking at me like what are you doing it's a midwife you're coming out here with fake tears saying Obama Obama died that's fucked up everyone like went oh what because you know it would be so upsetting but like and then I realized like what am I doing what am I doing you're doing what you would do in the green room. In the green room. In my living room. You're always doing that. When you say something, there's always like this.

I know. You should do it. You should definitely meet them. Remember that last night? Me too. Me too. You were trying to convince me. I can't even say it because I don't have to admit what we were talking about.

Oh, yeah, right. You know what? Yes, exactly. That is, with comedians, we will shift from reality to just, like, making up a story with each other instantly. It's such a fascinating mode of communication, and it's definitely not normal. My favorite is when someone does it, but with, like, subtle propaganda. Like, real on the edge, like, is he fucking? I'm sorry. No worries.

Wait, hold on. God damn it. Sorry about that, man. Dude, it's a normal thing. What's going on here? Happens all the time. Let me just check. Yeah, you're about to have a baby.

While we're doing this, Duncan is about to have one more human. That's right, and i'm very excited about it uh but i i'm so sorry that that my phone went off normally i would ignore it no no i know i get it please continue do you remember what you're saying nope yeah i love it dude the the uh the to me like this once you start applying this to everybody and you realize like a lot of times we're like using a mode of communication based on our experience with our particular job or business or whatever and trying to get other people or, or even your, the way you were raised. Right. This is, you learn this mode of communication potentially from lunatics like you can't choose where you're born that's very true and then those people enter into

conversations thinking that everyone else understands their what it's like to come out of that kind of universe man and then you're like you're an asshole no you're an asshole and it's like no neither of you are assholes you're just yeah applying You're trying to get people into your reality tunnel instead of at least like finding the middle point between yours and theirs It's the worst especially but like it's one thing if you're having some argument with some stranger But especially when it's like a good friend Joe I remember what you're saying What was I saying? you're saying when people have an agenda like when you're in a conversation with somebody like that and you detect some kind of slight agenda in there somewhere.

Oh, I was saying you, some of your best fake arguments about things, you get real subtle with it. Where I'm like, is he serious? And then you'll slowly right slowly enter into the preposterous i got you i got you yeah that oh yeah i know exactly so if you were doing that with like normal people it would take a long time for them to figure out what the fuck you're doing and then when they do they're like why why did you do that? Then they would never trust you again. Yeah, it's a sociopath. What?

He just told me his sister was eaten by a bear last week. Do you know what I'm realizing? There's another layer of comedy. There's another layer of comedy. It's green room comedy. Right. Green room comedy is some of my favorite comedy. The best.

Some of my favorite comedy the best some of my favorite comment we were crying last night we were crying yeah every night and it's cool because it's got this rhythm to it yeah like sometimes it gets quiet yes and then it'll start up again it's so cool man yeah it's a really interesting thing. It's that two shows a night. It's goddamn magic. Because you get so loose. Yes. You get so loose.

It's so silly. Yeah, man. Yeah, like the times I've stayed. I have to leave because. You're about to have a baby. I have to have a baby. But the times I've stayed, especially super late, it's really fun. The times I've stayed, especially super late, it's really fun.

And so I think the other thing that's cool about it, man, is I feel like everyone is acknowledging how special it is. Like nobody's taking it for granted. Everybody's like, are you kidding? Like this is a possibility? This is happening? Yeah. Isn't it crazy that it was an idea and now it's a real thing? Yes. It was an idea and now it's a real thing.

It was an idea and now it's a real thing. Yes. It was an idea and now it's a real thing. That's the – I had the wildest idea about ideas once. That what if ideas are a life form and the way they manifest in reality is they get into a person's brain and then influence that person to take action to create them. Influence that person to take action to create them the same way Like a parasite will get into a grasshoppers brain Yeah Like a water like those aquatic worms and they convinced the grasshopper to commit suicide so that they could be born like weird shit Happens with parasites. What if ideas are a life form?

There's everything that exists that human beings have created, just think about the fucking immense amount of objects that we've created. All of them came from ideas. Yeah. All of them. Yeah. And we think of this is my idea.

I had this idea. But we both know that ideas are very strange. They come to you in the weirdest of ways. It's the reason why people believe in the muse. It's the reason why Pressfield's book, The War of Art, is so good. Yeah. Because when he documents this sort of journey that he goes on every day when he writes, where he summons the muse. Yeah.

He does it like, and it is in his mind, no, it's a real thing. the muse yeah he does it like and he is in his mind no it's a real thing and then starts to write and and and treats it like a ritual yeah you're gonna be there all the time what is happening there like what what are you summoning when you get these ideas whether it's summoning something that's a creative work like literature or whether it's the invention that changes society forever right like all of them came from ideas yeah and a lot of them like a lot of like the great ideas like tesla he just openly admits it came to him in a vision yeah he saw it like he doesn't even ascribe it to his own mind it was like a vision don't you feel that way about some of your best jokes? Yeah. That they just pop in your head? Yeah, but you know what's weird about Tesla?

And I'm sorry, you guys, if I'm wrong about this, but I read it and was blown away. I think it was on his Wikipedia, but I could be wrong. Apparently, he was thinking about Faust when he had the vision. Now, I hope I'm not wrong about that, you guys. Jamie, would you mind? I'm sorry, dude. I could could be wrong and I I'm sorry all if I am but the yeah so Faust is about you know an alchemist he makes the Yeah

How poetry inspired Tesla to design one of his most important inventions? to design one of his most important inventions. There it is. Faust. Yeah. One of the lesser known facts about Tesla is that he was also a great fan of poetry. It was an expert of... Goethe's.

I think Goethe. Goethe's. Goethe Faust. Goethe's Faust. Goethe's Faust that inspired him to finalize his invention of the alternating current motor. The term world-changing invention certainly applies to this innovation. So what inspired that was a poem. I thought it was a play.

A poem about an alchemist selling his soul to the devil. So all of modern technology originated from the inspiration that he derived from a poem about a satanic bargain. Whoa. Isn't that wild? The Faustian bargain. The Faustian bargain was the, according to the person who invented it, was the inspiration for technology that we are still like using today. Like, yeah.

So that, so then you, then you go back and you think, well, what, what inspired Gerda? You know, and then you realize it's like this crazy wave of like, it ripples through time. Like somebody gets a great, gets inspired, writes it down. It's beautiful. Somebody gets inspired, writes it down. It's beautiful. I don't know how long passed between when he wrote that and Tesla had his vision. But certainly, obviously, Goethe probably had no idea that when he spent the time writing that thing and trusted to write it down, he was going to warp the entire planet.

His poem was going to ripple out and warp the entire planet just from a poem. That's wild, man. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that nuts? Especially, I mean, it's so meta. You weren't wrong. It is a play, but it's written in verse.

So it is a poetry also. Gotcha. Wow. 1808. 1808. Someone writes a cool poem about selling your soul to the devil cut to now there's self-driving cars oh my god ideas are strange I mean even back to the club the idea of the club you know yeah when we were all talking about doing it these ideas were just like yeah and then we could do this and then we

could do that yeah should we have this should we have that yeah and we we spent a fucking year and a half of doing this it was a long process before it actually got built well that's the problem with ideas is it's like they mimic and i'm not just saying this because my wife's pregnant they mimic childbirth in the sense that there's some kind of gestation period that's there's the you're inseminated with your inspiration yeah then you got to start growing it and then the phases of growing it are can be like really torturous and long and like somewhere in there you're like this sucks like this is really the dumbest thing of all time and then you keep working on it and maybe you realize that's true or you find the you fix it

it's like a puzzle and but that you know that is why so many people, I think, are like letting inspiration come all over their face, but not letting it inside. I always tell people that the way I try to think about things is bandwidth. I try to think about, I pretend there's a number. Let's say that number is 100. try to think about i pretend there's a number let's say that number is a hundred i have 100 band one 100 units that i have for my information for what i'm allowed to think about that what i can use my brain for anytime i put stuff in there that's nonsense anytime i put stuff in there. That's that's negative or unproductive or At least unless it's funny. Yeah, anytime. I'm putting stuff in there That's taking away from all my other stuff and one thing that people need to understand is that one of the things your brain will

Do to protect yourself from? Whether it's the pressure of success or succeeding or accomplishing things. Your brain will, when you're presented with the stress of trying to accomplish something, it will put extra emphasis on all these stupid things in your life to distract you. Yes. And it almost like protects you from the stress of having to do the work. And you see people sabotage their lives sabotage their careers you see it happen to artists musicians fighters comedians it's a normal thing

that we do just as as human beings you you get freaked out by what you know you should do so you spend more time paying attention to the things that you shouldn't do yeah man self-sabotage self-sabotage and it's very real very real and and based at least my own assessment of it it's based on the delusion that the feeling of procrastination is less painful than the feeling of doing your work and it couldn't it's the opposite like procrastination you spread it out across your life like your weeks you just spread this nice shitty coating of procrastination mild anxiety general like sense of like i'm a piece of shit because you're not doing it

general like sense of like i'm a piece of shit because you're not doing it and then when you finally get around to doing it you realize the thing you didn't want to do is so fun most of the time most engaging interesting but if nothing else you feel so much better because you're finally taking care of it yeah and you realize all that anxiety all that if you if you somehow could quantify the amount of anxiety you're going to feel procrastinating versus the amount of anxiety you're going to feel doing something you know what i mean it's exponentially more anxiety from procrastinating yes so the so the logic's all wrong it's a fucked up way of dealing with a problem as a master procrastinator you know i feel like i can talk about this because like having identified

it's always always feels better when you do it always then you your brain will orient i think in a more healthy way i hope mine does eventually no it i think also duncan you know you're you're so busy and you're so busy with your family and you're so busy with your podcast you're so busy with your family and you're so busy with your podcast. You're so busy with your comedy tour. It's like, it's very hard to allocate time to do stuff. And one of the ways I have it easy is I have a gym right here. I have a gym at home. I make it easy so I do it. Right.

And I just, I have to do it. If I don't do it, I don't feel good. I don't think good. I don't act good. Right. It's better for good. I don't act good. Right. It's better for me. It's medicine. And so I take my medicine and then I'm, and then I'm happy, Joe.

Hello. Yeah. I'm everybody's friend. I want to give everybody hugs. Right. I want to be nice. I want to see everybody succeed and grow. And I'm not in my own head.

Right. I'm free. Right. So I have to be free. And for me, I feel like the human body, especially when you've put a lot of demand on that body over a long period of time like I have, it has requirements. Yeah. It's like a dog. You know, when you have a dog, one of the things that I do with my dog is I exercise that dude.

I throw the ball for him. I play with him. We jump in the water and swim together. Dogs need exercise. Right. They need it. And when he gets water and swim together. Dogs need exercise. Right. They need it. It's like, and when he gets it, he's like chill and relaxed. And when he doesn't, he's like a little antsy, you know?

Yeah. You can tell he's a little down. Right. He wants to exercise. He's a dog. Whee. Yeah. It's fun.

He likes chasing that fucking ball. Let's go. Right. He gets so excited. I always feel like I'm boring him. I'm like, the ball again? He's like, fuck yeah, the ball again. Let's go.

It's never not fun for him. And so that's his medicine. And when he gets his medicine, he's a happier dog. That's my medicine. It's just a thing you have to do to maintain your body at the best form. And if you maintain your body at the best form, you have the most energy. You have the most energy for thinking. You have the most energy for thinking. You have the most energy for activities.

You have the most energy for anything physical that comes up. You know, I like being strong. I think it's important. I think if I could give, if it was an option in pill form, like could you, would you take this pill? There's no side effects other than your health will improve and you'll be much stronger. Would you take it? Everybody's going to take it. Sure your health will improve and you'll be much stronger. Would you take it? Everybody's going to take it. Sure.

Everybody would take it. Of course. Well, that exists. It's just not a pill. You just have to exercise for long periods of time and be very consistent. You made me picture in my head how fucked up it would be to come home. Your dog is laying in bed playing video games with like some Kleenex on the floor next to it. You would take him to the vet.

Like immediately you would take them to the... No, I'd be like, how long you been doing this, man? You can play video games. Can you talk? That's what I'd say. Do you remember my bit? Do you remember my bit about the talking dog? Yes.

You can talk. You can play video games. We're going to be rich. Oh, fuck, man. I wish we wouldn't get high anymore. Oh, man. Yeah. If your dog was playing video games, it would be the coolest thing ever.

You could go play video games with your dog. What if he's good? Society would collapse. Like, that would be the coolest thing ever you could go play video games with your dog what if he's good society would collapse like that would be the end of society no one is fucking anymore like they just play video games they would with their dogs just get a dog that's going to be a real problem sometime soon anyway this is going to be they're going to invent something that allows you to orgasm with your mind. There's going to be some Neuralink-type deal where once they tap into functions of the mind and start expanding the abilities of these Neuralink-type... It's going to be nuts.

It's going to be nuts. And they're going to figure out a way to reproduce more effectively with less errors without biological sex and since gender is just a construct anyway everyone's just gonna slowly eat plastic until your dick shrinks and we're all gonna become aliens well you know man before we become aliens which i i honestly i i buy into that idea but before we become aliens all the weird shit in between us becoming aliens, that's the part. The Neuralink stuff, the inevitable, whatever the brain interface shows up as. The inevitable day that someone hacks into whatever the server is that's dishing out feelings or whatever it is to people attached,

there will be like an orgasm wave. Someone's going to hack it. Someone's going to simultaneously give like an incredibly powerful orgasm to everyone on the planet. And you'll just watch it around you as people like come super hard because everyone's Neuralink got hacked.

Like if that's going to happen. Or something more sinister. I don't think if I was an evil dictator I'd make everybody come. Yeah, but if you were a troll you would. If you were on 4chan you would. If 4chan beat out a demon, that would definitely happen. 100%. An orgasm wave.

You'd watch the president. They'd time it with the president's speech and you'd see what Biden looks like when he comes. Probably starts yelling. Ah! Ah! Bang! Bang! Ah!

Bang! Dude. Yeah. I mean, that's the, I love that part of society. It is interesting though how there is a subconscious to society. Yeah. of society is interesting though how there is a subconscious to society like yeah that that within society there's the self that people present and then underneath it there's all the shit nobody sees all the shit that people do behind closed doors all the shit that isn't that person they put out front yeah and you know the bigger the tension between those two things is, the worse your life is going to be.

But the yeah, man, it's just weird to think about that. Like, no matter what, no matter how professional a person presents us, no matter how like they've got it together, they seem to have it together. You don't know. Yeah, you never know. They could take spaghetti baths. They could go home and just cover themselves in spaghetti and and and cry a lot of crying yeah so that to me is interesting like within society is a whole hidden realm it's specifically as far as i'm aware no one has seen a president come in the public like it's more secret than aliens like

there's no video of a president coming. There isn't that I'm aware of. We will never know. You don't think on Epstein's island there was videos of presidents coming? Like, you would play them? Over and over again. Why do you think Epstein had that giant painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his foyer? Dude. Do you know that picture?

Yeah. That painting? Epstein's taste in art was not great. Like, if you look at the shit- No, that was great. That painting is like, I got you, bitch. That's what that is. All right.

You got a president who was on the flight logs 26 times with Epstein, and you got that guy in a fucking dress in your house. Okay, I'm dumb. I'm sorry, dude. I'm officially dumb because I've known about that picture, and I've just been like, why would anybody want a fucking picture of Bill? That is, I got you, bitch. That's just a like, hey, yeah. That's I got you, bitch.

That is terrifying. That's terrifying. Imagine if I knew some horrible dark secrets about you, bitch. That is terrifying. That's terrifying. Imagine if I knew some horrible dark secrets about you, and you came over my house, and I have a giant painting of you right when you walk into the front door. Yeah. Of you in a dress. Yeah. And I'm like, hey, buddy.

Hi, welcome. You're right. How fucking terrifying that would be. That's terrifying. You know he knows about it i mean you walk right in and bam there's that painting and now you kind of control a president holy shit dude holy shit well that's 100 what they were doing 100 what they were doing dude i just don't even want to think about i don't want to think about all the entities.

We'll never even know about that ride presidents around like a fucking horse. They just gallop around on them, just riding them around. We got another president. We did it. We lassoed another one. We got one. And that is so crazy to think about like a president who is being extorted the president united states being extorted yeah and like what that would feel like

to be the president and know that you are no longer actually the president yeah that you are now the like you are just a puppet of some other fucking thing. Oh, dude, I hope that's not. I would think you're right. But God damn, that's sinister. I wish it was just bad taste. Just shitty fucking art on your walls. Oh, no, no, no. You can't.

Shitty art of your friend who you flew with 26 times. Joe, I just I didn't put it all. I'm dumb. i didn't put it all i'm dumb i didn't put it all together you're right man no that is clearly what that is yeah clearly oh it's wild it's wild i gotta pee me too all right let's come back where were we man we you were creeping me out because you were like there's like you have a talent for creeping me out, man. Like when you describe bear attacks. Yeah. Fucks me up for a while.

Or shark attacks. But yeah, we were talking about the Epstein-Clinton painting and how sort of like the implication of anything like that or the reminder of anything like that is because the the our leaders are human and humans are culpable and hackable and it's easier to invade a country or take over a country by just control the leader you control the country so there's a clearly a pressure there there's obviously people who would love to do that and probably try try, and have probably succeeded a few times. Meaning that our understanding of democracy as like the president represents the people, it's like totally wrong. In fact, it's potentially someone being controlled by people you'll never meet or maybe never even knew existed. Yeah.

It's creepy. That can't be true. Well, it's got to be true. Because if it was, well, they would never, if you had an enormous organization that controls everything, you control everything in the country, would you really let a new person just run it every four years in whatever way they like? Right. Wouldn't you, if you're there forever, you're there forever. You're not there for four years. Yeah.

You're running various agencies. Wouldn't you make sure over time that you secured enough control that the president really is just sort of a figurehead? Joe, I am a doctor. Oh. I'm sorry, but it seems like you're— Is this misinformation? Yeah. Malinformation?

Malinformations. Put the thing up. Say this was fact-checked and is wrong. Because to me, it feels like, yeah, you're implying that the president of the United States, past presidents, were controlled by secret groups or, I don't know, corporations or something. That sounds crazy. Well, it's preposterous. It's preposterous. Yeah, I mean, we it's a democracy that's not even possible nobody nobody on this planet would ever want to control the united states without having to invade it nobody would ever want to do that or try to do that or succeed in doing that god damn man you definitely couldn't do it with money no

presidents don't like money no they generally shy away from it most of them are dead broke even when they're in there in the white house like you know like they're like dead fucking broke that's why bill clinton ate mcdonald's every day every day people had to loan him money and shit dude he would get his car booted and couldn't afford to get the boot off. Yeah, this is why all of our American politicians are like- They're paupers when they get out. Middle income. Isn't it wild how much they actually make?

It's an insane amount of money. You look at how much money they get after they get out of the White House. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Like, wow. How'd you make that much money? You just got back into business? Yeah. You weren't

in business at all? Jump back into that housekeeping business. Now you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars? That's kind of crazy. You know, actually, I have a blind investor. I have a, what do they call it? Where they don't know the investments being made. Like I just happen to have like a really good business dude who like invested the $10,000 I saved up before I became president.

And it turned into millions. The most transparent one is speaking fees. Because it's speaking fees are a way that you can give people money. You can just give them money, and they perform a thing. They talk, and it can be the most uninspired, nonsensical, horseshit talk. It doesn't matter. They're going to get a half a million dollars. That's right.

That's right. That's just a normal amount of money that you get, and then you go here, and you make it over there, and you go here, and you make it over there, and you collect from everybody. So you have some sort of financial arrangement. But that financial arrangement is about speaking fees. See, this is what I'm talking about, man.

This is the liminal or subliminal part of the human experience. What you're talking about right now is upsetting to people. experience. What you're talking about right now is upsetting to people. But also, a lot of people will say, you're not even supposed to say that. And even though it's true, even though it's in plain sight, trackable, traceable, precedent for it in the past, not even that astounding, like astounding you are supposed to like rest in this strange dream world where human beings experiencing some of the most power you can have in the world don't go a little or totally or completely insane or don't get hijacked or don, like, we're supposed to pretend that doesn't happen. Right. When you look at the president, look, like, does Biden seem like he'd be hard to trick? Would you even have to trick him, though? Maybe. I mean, I think...

It's so hard to know what goes on behind those closed doors when they're making decisions. Don't want to know. See, they sent an extra... How many billion dollars did they accidentally sent to Ukraine? 6.2. 6.2 billion. It was an accident. They accidentally sent...

They accidentally sent? Yeah, 6.2 more than they were supposed to. Wow they just sent some more that must have been a rough phone call That county air provides an extra six point two billion for Ukraine military aid. Whoops. Sorry. Hey, what's up? It's Duncan Look, you know, I kind of fucked up I was a little bit of ketamine when I was doing that you whatever, the transaction. So can you send back the $62 billion? $6.2 billion I actually sent to you.

Can you just send it back? Because you'd think if it's a clerical error, right? Then they're going to be like, oh shit, you know, I didn't notice the $6.2 billion going into my account. That's how rich I am. I'll send back. There's so rich I am. I'll send... There's so much money

because at some point, you know, it's just... I don't even know what it is. Just billions. Lots of billions. Yeah, it's pretty weird. The Pentagon said Tuesday that it overestimated the value of the weapons it sent to Ukraine by $6.2 billion over the past two years, about double early estimates resulting in a surplus

that will be used for future security packages. Oh, don't worry about it. Just use it for future security packages. It's a security package. Yeah, it's a surplus. What do we know, man? Security packages. We don't know shit. That's just saying we're going to keep sending money forever and ever and ever.

It's a security package. It'll just go back into the pot of money that we have allocated. That's a big fucking pot. Future Pentagon stock drawdowns. Look at that. Future Pentagon stock drawdowns. Ew.

Why does that sound like they're playing a game? You know what I'm saying? That sounds like a game. Carlin's got the ultimate bit on it, man. Like the evolution of war language you know it used to be called shell shocked but then they changed it like it's like the mill the the whatever that language is is inevitably confusing it's confusing and it's also it it has this air of authority to it like the judge wearing the robe.

Yeah. Yeah. It's hypnotic. Yeah, by talking about it that way, stock drawdowns and, you know, Pentagon's allocated money. It's the same money, but in May, they found $3 billion more back then,

so I don't know if that's 10 or if they just doubled what they found. Well, their keyboard's probably broken. It's a mistake. It's a mistake. Nobody makes mistakes. We're people, but we're all doing the right thing. Easy to fuck it up, man.

It's like we got to take it easy on these people. And again, even though it is mainstream news, that's what I like that's so brilliant about it is that they're just like, yeah, you know, it's a pot. We had a pot. Yeah. And it goes in the same pot. It's no big deal.

As other stuff. And it goes out there. Everyone sees it. Everyone's busy, dude. Yeah. And no one has time to really like start thinking about $3.2 billion. $6.2. $6.2 billion that we've all put into that pot like every single

person living in america has put some dollars in that pot and some of those dollars you know bridges are fucking collapsing you know it's it is should be mildly frustrating to people mildly frustrating to realize 6.2 billion dollars of like fireman checks teacher checks nurse checks the frontline workers that's that that that money is like doesn't that matter enough to for them to like be more careful it, and also when they fuck up like that, where's the apology? You just blew $6 billion of tax money, and it was a mistake? You're not keeping... Imagine if your accountant made the same mistake.

Just basic accountant. Would you keep that accountant as your accountant and if you did you're a fucking idiot you got to fire that account and get an accountant who doesn't like misplace so much money right yeah and especially if the accountant didn't apologize which is like oh right well you see we have a different pot where some of your money gets a pot thing. Allocated. It's allocated. It's allocated into pots. Do you know how complex our pot system is? You should see it. I've got a thousand pots back there of varying sizes.

They did change according to astrological shifts. Don't even worry about it. It's just a pot. I kind of got to go. worry about it it's just a pot i kind of gotta go okay come on like it's so frustrating it's so frustrating it's very wild dude very it's very wild that they just keep printing money jacking up the inflation printing money i love that one because mixed into the printing money thing which obviously have money printers what's really funny about that is somehow people believe that that money is like doesn't go just right hot off the press to like people in the building like or that it doesn't like some of that money gets shifted around and like you know or some of it is printed.

And I know, I'm sure there's, like, no, there's securities in place. We have securities in place. It's numbered. We've got, come on. Right. If you have a money printer in America, are you fucking kidding me? If you're the main printer of money in America, like, you're the one who, like, presses enter on the computer to print out $2 trillion. Wow!

That's like living next to the sun. Imagine being that person. What does money even mean to you? Nothing! It must be so weird that these pieces of paper are everything that people are struggling for. And you know the smell of it? You come to work, you come home, and you smell like money. You smell like the ink they use for money.

You have to pour ink into, like, what's the ink come from? Where's the ink? And who puts it in? And what does, like, the ink, the pre-money ink come from? Where's the ink? And who puts it in? And what does the ink, the pre-money ink, look like? Not only that, they have to do it in a very complex way so it can't be easily duplicated. I mean, just think about how silly it is. That paper money. Like, it's kind of paper.

Paper. That you can't duplicate. Like, no one can duplicate that. Like, you have to make it so complex that it can't be counterfeit and change it up yeah but they have like little things in them and like like you look at it a certain way with like yeah i've seen it i mean it's gotten increasingly like you know you talk about the uh i love it the race the evolutionary race like every time like uh gazelle has to get a little bit faster and then

if it's getting faster the predator has to increase its speed and so there's this like evolutionary pressure to like keep things going faster uh same with counterfeit right it's got to be like so they're like okay we solve the problem we put a like triple hologram uh underneath that is it would require 700 micro sheets of paper to duplicate. Somebody's looking at that and being like, how much money would it cost to duplicate that? And they're like, oh, probably a million dollars. And they're like, great.

We'll pay for it with the money we print. We'll take the loan, print the money and pay for it. And then they're like, fuck, they figured out a duplication technique and then our hologram technique. And then they're like, fuck, we got to put something else in there. And then it's just a never ending. I imagine like how long before we're a cashless society,

hopefully forever, dude. I hope, I hope forever. I hope we know, like it is so scary to imagine. The like losing the privacy, losing it all completely because every transaction is in the public eye or observable. That's really scary, man.

I mean, it's like I don't even do anything interesting with my money, like except like tip on the road. Like, you know, I use my card and I know that's the argument is that's traceable i realize that but it's scary because there's an option you want to just like blow some cash on something you can't you could just like no one will know it's the whatever it is right not that i would ever use cash for anything other than legal purposes it's just like the you know what i mean like the like one day in the future everything will be traceable that's right and that's you know this is where i get this is where being raised in episcopalian in the book of revelations is gonna as a christian you're gonna read it this is where i get scared because it's too similar to the mark of the beast

it's too similar to exactly what it says you won't be able to trade you won't be able to do anything unless you have the mark unless you bear the mark so what is that that that in that term in the how is that described how's the mark of the beast described in the bible we should read it because i think you're on to something we're now officially podcasting this is fucking it we're opening up the book of revelations. We're in now. Yeah. The mark of the beast.

It's like you can't do anything. You can't sell. If you don't take the mark, you're fucked. I mean, that's that. If you remove the ability to trade currency in a private way, Yeah. You now can, you are now controlled. You are now monitored. That's like, or. Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth.

It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast. Whose mortal wound was healed. And it says, deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. It also causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark.

That is the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the one who is understanding calculate the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is 666. You know what's so wild about that stuff? Reading that.

It's really clear that they spoke differently yeah and also really clear that you're getting a translation from another language like this is the best version of the english translation they could give us it gets weirder when you get to the original like when you get to the original because like you know one of the reasons that seems weird is because that's a code. Like it's not like it's meant, it's encoded. Like there's some kind of like other thing in there. Jimmy just pulled this up. Sharagma, translated as Mark of the Beast in Revelation 13, 16, can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted, or branded, stamped money, document, or coin.

The Mark of the Beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian eschatology. Dude. So that's a code number one two you know just one way to connect to it and it helps when you're on a psychedelic is forget about the whether or not any of it makes sense but imagine like a mind produced that yeah so whoever wrote that like yeah what was their consciousness like dude that's some heavy shit like and it's so specific and when you get to the original uh at least i haven't done it for the book of revelations but the book of john it's it becomes even more intense and more like

wait what like in the beginning was the word logos, logos. So you realize suddenly like within it is this psychedelic cosmology that in the beginning there was like truth. There was just truth, reality. And then that truth like manifested, extruded itself into time space for a second to like talk about like heaven or to talk about the real reality

outside the simulator, whatever you want to call it. And this is the best, and it gets translated in a lot of different ways. Something like, it was a light in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it. So it's like the truth appears in the darkness the darkness is like i don't we don't even know what this is i can't see it i don't i don't understand it and then and then that was the like jesus is a representation of that the manifestation of that possibility of like pure truth appearing in a world of darkness and whoa dude that's fucking cool regardless of historical truth or whatever that's just a beautiful and deep heavy way of talking about um parallel

universes or or or the possibility of uh things happening on a planet where people have gotten completely lost, where suddenly in the midst of that, something appears that isn't lost, that is like a pure representation of a higher consciousness or something. Sometimes it likes to talk. It's like when you, it's like sending, like you're putting yourself in one of your Sims in Sim City. You just go down there and you're like, okay, like, here's what's going on.

And then pop back out. And then they kill him. That's the best part. It's like the, the, and so the book of John, I just looked this up cause I'm, I'm writing about it,

but the book of John is Matthew, Mark, Luke synoptic gospels. They have the same stories in them mostly. John, not synoptic, and has all this weird shit in it. And not that any of the other stuff isn't weird, but particularly weird stuff in it. And so those three gospels, they have within them something that I've always struggled with understanding the logic, which is to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Sacrifice the God, child, drink his blood, sins cleansed. Whereas Book of John, it has less of a focus on that

or the redemption through the crucifixion and more saying the crucifixion itself was the ultimate because it was the collision between light and darkness where light instead of getting aggro fighting back just like prayed for the people killing it and died and like dude you're not gonna sleep at night if you're crucifying somebody who's praying for you, who's like looking at you and loves you, not in a fake bullshit spiritual way, but loves you and knows you, has known you forever and loves you and truly forgives you. Oh, dude, that fucks the whole game up. It ruins darkness. It's the ultimate atom bomb in the face of power.

Yeah, go ahead and kill me. Dude, it's really cool. So, you know, regardless, the book of Revelations and all of that stuff, I think it clearly emanates from an expanded consciousness, if nothing else. Do you think there really was a Jesus? Well, I think, you know, I read that controversial book by Reza Aslan about Jesus. It's pretty good. It's called, oh, geez, Jamie, I'm sorry. I don't know the name of it. It's so dumb, man. I can remember what books say, but I can't remember their titles. But yeah, he says, apparently there are references to zealot. And it's controversial. I know some people don't

like it, but I enjoyed it. But it says it says like apparently there are references to a jesus but never described as um messiah but as a magician who was going around healing people and stuff so there is some reference to the the being but you know i like i i get so bored with the attempt to find the historic Jesus. Because I think it really misses the point altogether. I think you get so caught up in trying to find the grail or whatever that you lose track of, regardless of the truth of this being walking the earth. regardless of the truth of this being walking the earth, does it change the substance of like the parables and their referencing of some realm, a transcendent realm,

a possibility outside the suffering of the mundane world outside of like sucking emperor dicks. So you can get a little bit of power. They actually, there's something in any person's life like you can just like wake up and see it the kingdom of heaven gnosis so to me i don't care if just a lot of smart people who are trying to convey an ancient cosmology created like a character to embody that because i don't think that was to me that's not

the point i know for a lot of christians it is and i don't mean to offend y'all it's just you know i i'm sure any christian out there if you're not like wrestling with the bible anyway you know you should wrestle with it you're it's meant to train you and get in your head and like grab you and confuse you and then it's a it's an amazing work it really is like the New Testament I mean I mean all of it wasn't one of that one of the controversial aspects of when Martin Luther translated it when they translated into phonetic language so that people didn't have to know Latin to yeah to read the Bible yeah they and he one of the more controversial things is he was like,

I think he was expressing something very similar to that, that you're really supposed to get out of it what you get out of it. It's open to your interpretation. I think it loses all its power if it requires an actual flesh being. And I get why people want that. I understand the argument but to me written within it is the communion for example.

Jesus never said here's how we are going to do communion. He did say something really quite beautiful which is exactly maybe the sweetest thing you can say to your friend if you're dying, which is, when you eat good food, remember me. And when you drink wine, I'm going to be in that wine. Oh, my God.

That's so sweet. It's so beautiful. And it's such an invitation for everybody. Anyone. You can all eat. I'm in your bread. I'm in what the life force itself to the point where you can connect with me just through basic dietary stuff. I love that. It's beautiful. It's such a great way of fucking up the middleman, the priest class, the hierarch it's like no i'm here i'm completely with you right now yeah just you you gotta reach out

and so these whoever what whoever wrote that i think that's what they were saying it's like we're you're kind of in a in a weird part of the multiverse where it's easy to forget there's a lot more going on than what you think is going on there yeah and it's easy to fall prey to all the tricks of that place because it's a tricky place that wants you to worship it and and and you don't have to do that like that's beautiful so yeah i don't care who it i don't care who whoever wrote it or the people who wrote it or the you know the how whatever the true story is it's going to be a mystery forever but yeah but it's such a fascinating mystery it is like i wish i could read aramaic and then read the the dead sea scrolls god i know man because that's the oldest one we know

of right that's the the oldest version of the biblical stories i'm pretty sure man i mean i wouldn't i'm pretty sure i imagine there's fragments and stuff that like it's so fragmented that they had to use dna to determine whether or not the scrolls were from the same cow so like when you would find pieces of animal flesh that were from different cows they knew okay we'll put that in this pile. God damn, dude. That would have been a fun archaeological dig to be working on. But also, what a mind fuck. You know, like trying to piece that puzzle together and try to figure out. How old is the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Like 4,000 years old or something? Dude, I don't know. I have no idea. Say how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are. I know they found them in Qumran. They found them in clay tablet or clay pots. Third century BCE. Wow.

Wow. Yeah, man. I mean, then like when you get into like the Torah, Hebrew, when you get into like the, a lot of the stuff Jesus was referencing and you get, you realize like not only is it like powerful writing with like incredible parables in i can't remember the name of there's a whole thing where you like the number you know i know we've talked about this god and nature same number like god and love is the same that so it's it's ancient hebrew their their numbers doubled as letters yeah and then you see there's an intentionality to that patterning. And so then you realize, oh, so on top of telling these powerful stories, they figured out a way to encode within the powerful stories more information

that only people are going to find if they dig deeper. It's designed to be there for you if you want it, but you've got to want it. You've got to dig in. And human beings are like beings like that language too complicated Let's abandon it Ancient Hebrew. Oh, yeah, yeah Also uncovered was a 6,000 year old skeleton of a partially mummified child and a 10,000 500 year old basket Which Israeli authorities said could be the oldest in the world.

A CT scan revealed the child's age was between 6 and 12, with the skin, tendons, and even hair partially preserved. Fuck. 2021. I don't remember hearing about this. I don't remember hearing about that either. I've never heard that. Wow. That's like 8,000 B.C.-ish or even longer, a little 8500 bc when they found this basket was made

wait what is the can we read that among the recovered texts which are still all in greek is nahum 156 which says the mountains quake because of him and the hills melt the earth heaves before him the world and all that dwell therein who can stand before his wrath who can resist his fury his anger pours out like fire and rocks are shattered because of him. Fuck. I mean, that's nature. Wow.

Hold up. Go there, back there. It says, The authority said these words differ slightly from other Bible versions, shedding a rare light on how biblical text changed over time from its earliest form. The Dead Sea Scrolls have a lot of really weird stuff in them.

Like what? Well, you know, the Christian stuff, the John Marko Allegro stuff from the Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. That's all his interpretation. And I'm sure you would have to be a scholar to understand even what the fuck they're saying. But he was essentially saying that you can trace back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word, which means a mushroom covered in God's semen. And he thinks that when God orgasmed on the earth, things would blossom from it. This is like what the way ancient people used to think of when it rained they literally think god was coming and then when those mushrooms would just appear out of the grass which you know mushrooms grow really quickly you know that yeah so when people would

wake up in the morning and see these mushrooms after the rain and they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off. Yeah. John Marco Allegro believed that this was the source of the original Christianity. Wow. It was a lot. It was about psychedelic rituals and it was about fertility cults. Wow. Yeah, it was about people trying to duplicate, trying to have children. I mean, that's crazy, man. Yeah.

Oh, God, that would have been so fun, the trip back then. Like, it's from God's jizz. Eat it. Unless your knee breaks and there's no doctors. There's no nothing. You just die. Infection, die. Yeah, there's some drawbacks.

Oh, there's a lot of drawbacks. Some drawbacks. no penicillin no antibiotics no vitamins no grocery stores no hand washing no hand washing no knowledge of what what's going on with bacteria they probably wash their hands occasionally i mean they're killing fish i'm sure there's shit we're not doing right now i'm sure as a species that we should be doing like some thing where in the future they're like they didn't they didn't tap their pineal glands every morning right they found out there was one hack yeah just one hack that makes you live longer but yeah man i think if you explore the psychedelic universe as a as an

existent place that is has its own consciousness its own mind and is interested in spreading itself into like little bubbles of like i don't know parts of the universe that have forgotten about it yeah because that's the thing. We get amnesia of it here. Everyone's amnesic to that reality. Exploring, like, you know, the idea that sometimes it wants to send a letter here. Yeah. It tries to break through, not just with Jesus, but with any, like, what we call a Messiah or a prophet or whatever.

Uh-huh. of what we call a messiah or prophet or whatever. It's like a leak in the dam separating us from eternity and paradise. And these leaks appear in the form of people saying these things that run counter to power structures. And almost immediately, the leak is sealed or crucified or whatever. And then whatever they were saying saying it's co-opted

and suddenly a hierarchy appears within the thing so now you've got a priest class in christianity there's a there's a entire hierarchical systems of christianity and that's fascinating to me because like the the thing that my understanding of it is like you don't really need a priest class like you don't need any you and me like you and truth you get to you get to hang out together without anybody yeah telling you actually that's not the real truth your mind is broken here's what brings us back to cults yeah when one person is the person who decides the way things should be and yeah makes the rules the translations yeah and they dress like the pope they dress just like the pope there's a well i mean there's so many costumes for it yeah like but generally if you

see someone wearing a costume and it's not halloween you know or you're not at like a a convention you better watch the fuck out especially if the person wearing a costume is telling you that they are such an authority on this subject or that that you can't even fucking question it that you're questioning itself is offensive now you got to watch out because if that's happening you could be in a cult like if someone's telling that to you if they're like we don't even ask that question yeah that's you better watch the fuck out because that once people start doing that man yeah you know they shut down then now they're shutting down the truth or the joy that comes they're shutting down the truth or the joy that comes from turning on the light in the darkness you know like the joy of when someone comes to you confused truly confused and you give them like

real data that can change their lives you know what i mean now you're ruining that possibility not to mention you're telling people not to trust their rational mind like the essence of who they are like this could be off a little bit gotta watch out man people in costumes yeah people in costumes it's just wild that it works police uniforms and you know look if cops how to just wear guns and a badge around their neck with regular clothes. That would be a disaster. At least now, if you want to impersonate a cop, you've got to go to a costume shop. You know what I mean? Now anybody can be like, I'm a cop.

Isn't that crazy, though? They have an outfit. They wear an outfit. Yes, with a star. with a like a special star that imbues power i mean this is credentialing right like this is like once you have gone to university for a certain amount of time gotten deeply into debt to the banks you were given a credential or like a license right to practice whatever the particular thing is that you went to school for. But you, you like essentially have like given the banks all this fucking money

to get a magic star on your certificate where people know, okay, this person is the real deal. And that, that is really like fascinating, man. That, that, you know, when I go to a doctor, I want to see some fucking certificates on the wall, but i have never in my life going to a doctor like remembered the certificates and gone home and like did he really go to that university never never well they have caught people doing that pretending to be doctors leasing office space setting up fake things on the wall dude i saw a whole forensic files about it like i think a guy did surgery oh my god like i think

a guy was like had his hands in people's guts who tricked them into thinking he was a doctor wow yeah wow some people are fucking crazy yeah man. And it's like, just think about it. Like, if it's like, people are printing money. You think people aren't printing certificates for themselves of this school? Just knowing in general, people are lazy. No one's going to look this up. And if they do, I'll just change my phone number. If they don't, I'm a fucking doctor now.

I'm a doctor in a hospital. Wow. Yeah. Well, there's always been frauds. There's always been these weird people that pretend to be somebody. It's such a strange thing because it's just like an exercise in how well you can just keep pretending. You know, because you've got to pretend for a long time and you got to tell people stories about where you went to school and what hospitals you've worked at. Yeah.

It's camo. It's like, it's just like any other predator, man. It just figures out how to like blend in or turn into its prey and then boom, you're in there. Look, why are we veering into this paranoid land? It's like so scary to think about that, but I guess you're supposed to. I guess it's important to like recognize

that aspect of things or you get like, you get fucked over usually. Usually. You have to be aware that some people are just full of shit. You have to be aware that some people are just full of shit. You have to be aware that some people are just, they're sociopaths. They don't have the same sort of emotional connection to others. And what they're doing is like trying to play a game.

Like, I'm going to pretend to be a doctor. Who says I'm not a doctor? Yeah. I'm going to talk like a doctor. I'm going to listen to doctors on YouTube and the way they describe certain procedures. I think I can do those procedures. You know, fucking just pliers on someone's tooth. Pulling it out of their head.

Just lying. I'm a dentist. I'm a dentist. How hard can it be to be a dentist? It can't be that hard. They're just teeth. How hard would it be to be a dentist? It can't be that hard. They're just teeth. How hard would it be? You just put some putty.

Imagine some fake doctor just drilling in your teeth. And the nurse doesn't know. She thinks he's a doctor. Yeah, man. She's just a nurse. She got hired. Yeah. Or the dental assistant.

They don't even, right? What is a, just an assistant with rubber gloves on. Just someone who works there. Yeah, dude. Like, what the fuck? It's like, we, you know, again, you just have to, like, it's, you realize, like, if all you have to do is put on a costume and you know, maybe not everybody, but enough people are going to think that you are important or more advanced than them. All you have to do is put on a costume? Yeah.

Of course people are going to do that. All the time. All the time. People do that with business suits. They wear business suits. Yeah, they wear business suits. And, you know, people, there's something suspicious about it. people there's something suspicious about it it's like shouldn't shouldn't just what you're saying or your skill set be enough like the fact you have to indicate on top of that by wearing like

a weird outfit that that's suspicious i mean i'm not saying ceremonial garb is important i get it in like certain like rites like you know the the priests wearing what they're wearing all has significance it's a fractal it represents something like i'm not like i'm not saying that auto means something's fucked i'm just like but it's just such a exploitable flaw in society you know that's all it's like even if it's exploitable, it's been exploited. I mean, there's like, clearly, you could just go on YouTube.

Some lunatic just decides to start pulling people over. Yeah, for sure. I wonder if anybody's ever pretended to be a Disney employee. Like, give people tours

and they're just a crazy person. Oh my God. Like, somehow you just get the Mickey Mouse costume in there. How could you? Well, I bet there's so many employees. Like somehow you just get the Mickey Mouse costume in there. How could you? Well, I bet there's so many employees. How could you know? I mean, you could certainly like sneak in and probably find a costume and like get into it

and then just walk around Disney World and nobody would know. Florida man pretended to be Disney World staffer to steal a famous character police say. Oh, so there you go. A heist. Florida man. Always Florida man. One year ago today. Oh, interesting. steal a famous character police say oh so there you go a heist florida man always florida man one year ago today oh interesting a man uh allegedly pretended to be walt disney world employee by wearing a name tag work pants and a work vest to the theme park on in may florida

man who was looking for a security job at walt disney world has been accused of stealing a character statue from the park in May. Wow. Oh, R2-D2 statue worth up to $10,000. Wow. Jesus Christ. $10,000 for an R2-D2 statue? You guys switched to Disney. I found the story of a teenager who got access to two different hospitals

and bought a car for like $50,000 before he got caught. and bought a car for like $50,000 before he got caught. This says he just went up to the customer service area and said he lost his badge, and a volunteer gave him a badge at one of the places. Oh, my God. And he's in. He's in all kinds of places inside the hospitals. Oh, my God.

I don't think he did anything, but it also says he bought these scrubs for like $60. He had access to critical care areas, including emergency room, intensive care units, operating rooms, cath lab, and even newborn nursery. Oh, my God. So this fucking maniac was just around people's newborn babies. Yeah, I'm not sure what he was trying to do. Nurses became suspicious. Nurses became suspicious.

Bailey went largely unnoticed and spent weeks hanging around the hospital. From March 31st, 2022 to April 28th, 2022. Then one night in the ICU, nurses got suspicious. In the ICU? He was talking about his girlfriend and cars, just all sorts of stuff. And the more he was talking about it, the more I felt something is not right. Holy shit. An unidentified nurse told investigators, I don't know if he was specifically asking for access to the computer,

but he was just mentioning that he doesn't have access, and he was asking how you get access. Nurses found Bailey's social media account and realized he was not who he said he was. They reported it right away, and the teenager was escorted out. His badge was disabled, and the police got involved. It took them a month to figure that out though that's crazy a month of him just wandering around what a weirdo he's talking about girls and

cars that threw him off like what is that what is he talking about supposed to be working why is he spending so much time in the newborn area just wandering around with his badge dressed up like a nurse did you ever see that there was like some youtube video like people realize if you carry a ladder into a movie theater you don't have to buy tickets like if you walk into a movie theater holding a ladder people just assume you work there and you just like these kids were just filming themselves going into places with a ladder it's like the ultimate key to get you in to anywhere. That's so ridiculous. Dude,

I know it is ridiculous. There's just so many, you know, levels of society that if you don't have any ethics or morals, you can just hack it. Yeah. So it's like just terrible. Really?

You guys, four million views. You can walk in anywhere with a ladder. As long as you look like, you know, you're supposed to be there. No one stops you. He's in a can walk in anywhere with a ladder. As long as you look like you know you're supposed to be there, no one stops you. He's in a restaurant, just walked into the kitchen,

five-star hotel. No one stops him. I see people doing this at the Oscars, at different music festivals. They just get the credentials and just show up and just find the right person to let them in, I guess. Oh, is he up a ladder? Yeah, it's crazy. They just get the credentials and just show up and just find the right person. Let's get the ladder. Yeah, it's crazy.

We don't number our cinemas. Yeah, cinemas are not numbers. Oh. So this guy just. Thanks for getting to stay out. Might as well have a quick look in there. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Look, I don't know. I mean, fortunately for us, there's like lots of people who aren't you know false prophets that was the word for it false prophet like i think that's in the book of revelations the rise of these false prophets who like wear the costume but they're the opposite of the thing and most people i've met like from the Ram Dass retreats and stuff certainly my meditation teacher David Nick turn if you've just met him talking to him you would never know right away that you'd like trained with Cho Kim Trump a Rinpoche one of the great Buddhist teachers he's not putting it out there it's not like you know what I mean but then and other people at those retreats, you forget. Like, you'll meet these people who've spent their entire lives meditating,

like, living in caves in India, but they're wearing a Hawaiian shirt. So you don't, you just forget for a second. Like, you're talking to them, and then you realize, you will realize, because there is a difference. There is something there that's like. What's the big difference? You know what? The closest thing I can point to, it sounds so weird.

Like the times I've been hanging out with you, every once in a while we'll be hanging out with a UFC fighter. Or like some weird seal or something. You know, like some dude who like is like, you know, they come to the UFC, whatever. So you're hanging out with them and then you realize like this guy is like for someone who like could murder me right now is the nicest guy i ever met in my life you know what i mean they have this glow they have this like they're tuned in in this way now i i don't mean to compare spiritual teachers to UFC fighters, but I think what they have in common potentially is discipline, like real rigorous, hardcore, focused discipline upon some system. non-bullshitty very authentic quality to them that inevitably you present to them something that's bothering you or or whatever and they have this way of just instantly shifting the energy around it so that you feel like it's manageable or you can it's not what you you realize fuck man

i had framed this in this horrific way and they just have this ability to shift that. Not like in a bullshit way, like always look on the bright side, kiddo, but a real compassionate way of like, I feel like you do it to people sometimes, like you see people. And then sometimes people are really good at seeing people, but they're not good at forgiving what they see

or they're not good at seeing like, there's a possibility in anybody to be happier yeah right and seeing that possibility uh they just see the shit that's making them unhappy you know and focus on that and and and and those people are dicks but like some people can see through that to like where you you could be and they believe you could get there. And they do it effortlessly because they've trained themselves in being compassionate. That's fucking incredible to be around that energy, man. I mean, it's like a good feeling because like, you know, when you're doing it, it's not like you're all fake.

Ha ha. You get serious, you know, and there's a seriousness to it when they're talking to you, when you're having that kind of conversation. It's not, like, frothy necessarily. But mixed into that seriousness is, like, they're just trying to get through to you, like, to show you something. Right.

Because they want you to be happy. Yeah. It's very hard to know sometimes, like, what if someone is being real or if someone is putting on a role well yeah yeah well yeah the the uh chugim chugim would say one way you could know is it whatever the particular tradition is it's being articulated or whatever the thing is it should feel like fresh baked bread right out of the oven so the energy behind it is like does not feel stale musty it when you're around it it's like even though the traditions they might be connected to are old as fuck you realize like oh shit it's the tradition itself is like irrelevant

like what what the tradition was pointing to is outside of time and so you know what I mean so that that's that's where you when you're around it you don't just get the feeling of like fresh baked bread you get the feeling of like this is like cutting-edge like you're around like really advanced technology like a feeling of like whoa this not only is this like right here right now in this moment but uh i've been blind to it like i couldn't even see it until like now i'm seeing it and then that the idea behind that is not for you to go to them so you can keep seeing it the idea is like then hopefully that sets you on fire so

you your life becomes something like within your life is an attempt to like kind of remember that or see it or like you know recognize it but this is why we need friends because you will forget it or i'll forget it yeah and we need people not like, hey, you sinner or whatever, but like maybe just in the way they are. Yeah. People get very weird when they move off on their own away from their friends to some new place. Dude, yeah. It gets real weird. Real weird.

Because now you have your family, but you don't have any friends. Like you don't know anybody there. It's a bizarre reset. Yeah, man. It's like, it's fucked up because it takes a long time to have good friends. Like, you know, years and years and years get invested in, like, an informal way. Yeah, man. And, you know, that's the thing.

Like, you've got to, this is a, well, they call it satsang is the name for it. But it's like a spiritual community it's a fancy like word for a formation that appears in all things it doesn't have to be connected to some spirituality it's just like this energetic like affinity or happens between people and sometimes you'll meet people and you're like you know them right away you feel like you've known them forever like there's a instant click with some people you know that's the satsang like it's beautiful and it's like it's it's uh it's a great name for a very normal thing i don't think it's like necessarily crazy or like it sounds maybe i'm making it overly spiritual but you know i meet people

sometimes and it's like i've known you forever and it's like we're picking up a conversation seemingly that we've been having for like many lifetimes just like that feeling that's just because it's it's so refreshing when you meet someone who's genuinely engaging with you in a conversation it's a thing that people normally do, right? You have conversations, but how many people do you meet that are really good at it? And how many people do you meet that when you have a conversation with them, it's like really enjoyable. And there's a lot of like, there's a dance going on. It's not just one person just spitting out and you just taking all the details of their life's journey.

Like, okay. And then what did you do? Oh, wow. So, do you talk to your sister still? Oh. Oh, you know what that's called? So, where's your aunt now? Oh.

Info dumping. Yeah. Info dumping. Oh, that can be exhausting. Even when someone has a fascinating life sometimes that's exhausting because it's such a an attention hog of the conversation like it's it's hogging up the whole conversation now because when you info dump you know your life generally takes a long time to describe. So this is like, if we're here eating dinner for 40 minutes, it's a speech like bring slides.

If you're going to do that, bring slides, like do a presentation, a visual presentation, but listening, it's like, like, it's like when you get,

like when you get around a person who's listening to you uh regardless of of like how good they are conversationally like when you realize someone's like actually like listening and you know that that that that feels incredible, man. And especially when they're mixed in with that listening is like love. Whoa. It's the best. It's the best feeling ever. And even if you don't agree on shit or you're going to get confused about stuff or whatever. Yeah, man.

It's listening. We just... Listening is like... For some people, it's very difficult. It's a dance. Some people suck at it. Yeah. Yeah.

They're just not good. You know, it also requires concentration. Sometimes people don't want to concentrate. Or agenda. Yeah. The other problem is agenda. Yeah. or agenda yeah the other problem is agenda yeah so it's like you know i love chatting with you and like any time an agenda starts popping up in the midst of our conversation i try to banish it

from my mind so i like pop back into the moment but that agenda when that creeps into somebody you can see it on their face you're like like, fuck, man, they've already decided what they're going to say to me, so why do I even keep talking? And now they're wrestling with you. Like when people want to debate about things, and you know that it's not really about the ideas, it's about them trying to win. It gets so exhausting.

It gets exhausting. It's like, oh, I know that people love to do that certain people that love to do that I don't want to do that dude I've done it it feels horrible especially in an argument with people you love

sometimes you being right it's like it sucks so now you're right so now you're angry and right now what? Now I'm now you're just angry and right no connection has been made Nothing is like changed other than you were right and you're angry and that's man that's sad when anytime like you win that kind of

argument it's just like Nothing happened. Nothing change. It's just like nothing happened. Nothing changed. The only thing that's going to save us is Neuralink. And once we get those things synced up and then there's going to be no misunderstandings, no miscommunications, and everyone's going to be held accountable. There's going to be an awkward couple weeks

when Neuralink comes out. There's going to be two weeks of real awkward moments. And we will find out how people really feel. Like all these dudes who like have these, like if you're like an 80-year-old guy and you're married to some 30-year-old Instagram model. Somehow you've tricked yourself into thinking.

You find out what she really thinks about you. Oh. Oh my God, I don't really like rubbing cream. It'll put gold digging right out of business. Or they'll have to get really good at masking their intentions. Yeah. Or they can, like, assume a persona for a certain amount of years to acquire a certain amount of money.

Or at least, like, if you let someone come dig in your gold, it's consensual. You're like, you want to come dig in my gold? Right. Comeual you're like you want to come dig in my gold right come dig it has to be that i have lots of gold once there's mind reading it's gonna have to be that way yeah it's just like hey can i dig in your gold for a couple of weeks it's gonna be one of those deals where like i mean no disrespect to gold diggers or prostitutes, but it's basically prostitution. You're doing it for money, right? If you're some lady who's a professional temptress and you can cling to some 82-year-old billionaire, that is a very good financial bargain.

If you could somehow or another get in that will like how's that work i don't know do you love me or not so why am i not in the will when uh i tell you that i love you and you tell me that you love me where's what happens when you die am i going to be taken care of yeah duncan yes yes i'll put you in the will, my dear. Show me. Okay, look here. Show me, show me. There it is. And then once you show me, gobble, gobble, gobble. It was worth it.

Especially when they're old, they're like, fuck the kids. Fuck the ex-wife. Fuck the shareholders. I'm 82. I just think probably like if I was gold digging, number one, I would like have to trick myself into thinking I'm not gold digging to successfully execute a gold dig. Right. Like I have to. So it's like, yeah, shit's rough, man. I've been able to pay my rent.

Things are kind of fucked up. I was hanging out with Bernie. Happens to like, you know, has a massive amount of money from his business and you know i don't know he just i know it sounds crazy because he's so much older than me but i feel like we have a connection you know what i mean you're right i know you won't understand it. It's outside of time. Like, the ages are just a number. Yeah. And so you, to fully pull off the heist, so to speak, you believe in what you're doing. And because it's a human being, and because really, like, at some level, Bernie is still 30-year-old Bernie underneath all whatever's collapsing around him. You do connect to that yeah and you do start loving it because the cognitive dissonance of being a pure sociopath

is too much so you fall you a part of you falls in love in a weird gross way that definitely would probably end the moment he's like i don't care how many times you suck my dick. I'm not putting you in the well But but maybe while he's alive it's worth it just for the perks I Don't know man. I mean this I'm sure you get a Ferrari. I would love to hear an Honest and it must exist an honest story about a person who did that because i could imagine like the beginning phase you have this idea in your mind well really the fucking awful idea you have in your mind probably is that money is going to heal all of the emotional trauma that led me to a place where i manipulate old people for their

money you know what i mean right then you get the money and not and you and then you are you're faced with that awful realization like oh fuck i'm still fucked up yeah he died i have all this money i'm still fucked up it didn't work and i and now i have to live with that. I mean, it's really, really sad, truly. But, I mean, also people, like, old dudes who have, like, you know, hooked up with cam girls. I get it. Let them. Yeah, I get it. Let them.

But I get all of it. Let them. Let it, you know. But what's interesting is, like, if a woman does, like, marry an 80-year-old billionaire, and then he dies and she gets all that money, she carries that for life. Yeah. Everybody she meets is going to be like,

she used to be married to him. And then when he died, she got billions. Everyone's going to be like, oh, she's odd. Yeah. This is a person that, she's a bombshell and she married some dying old man. Yeah. It's going to be those people. Then it's going to be people who are like, that was badass.

Congratulations. Good job. Yeah, there's going to be some people like that, but that's just a narrative. That's like a movie narrative. Like what you were looking at as a deceptive person it's like it's like it's a weird con game that you do with people's emotions dude it's just you know man like fucking survival yeah survival is embarrassing so when you get scared very embarrassing when you and when you get so scared that you you you're so consumed by your own fear that you allow it to control you to the point that you like become a manipulator or a con artist or grifter or whatever. And like behind it is just fucking fear.

It's like, you know, like you, people get mad at the TSA. It's like, you can't really do much worse to the TSA than what they're already doing. Do you know how bad it sucks? I imagine to like rub down people all day long.

You have to drive to the airport. You're not going on a vacation you're gonna like be rubbing the back of your hand against irritated stranger dicks all day long all day long and it's like if if a judge sentenced someone to that that's cruel and unusual punishment you would be like no you can't do that like that's inhumane so it's like with this archetype of person man i think like the suffering they're experiencing the confusion the lack of security the uncertainty the realization at some level of their like inauthenticity that is a pretty intense punishment just by it there alone like what's your but is

it a punishment if you don't know anything else because like if that's one of the things like do you remember when gary coleman was a security guard yes and people would like show up to his work and make fun of him. Yeah. No one would do that to a regular security guard. But you do it to a guy who used to be famous. You do it to a guy who used to have something. Right. And now they don't. And now you can just throw rocks at them.

Ugh. Yeah. It's so brutal. It's weird. It's weird because it's just a regular job. There's nothing wrong with having a regular job. But if you had escaped that world and you had made a lot of money and then all of a sudden you had to go back to it and have a regular job, people feel like they openly could mock you. Yep.

Very strange, right? Very strange. Like, ha-ha, you have to work. Right. Just like all of us. All of us. you have to work right just like all of us you have to work like yeah it's work like what are you doing why are you yelling at this person right why are you creeping this person out dude it's just a person the coleman thing in particular man i remember like hearing that and did you see the photos when he was dead? He got a gold digger. And when he was married to this lady,

she took a photo for the gram right next to his body. You ever see that photo? No. Here, see if you can find that. She took a selfie with... Yeah, look at this. So here he is she put that on her Instagram look at that I mean

it was a while ago so I don't know what year we're talking about if they even had Instagram like I get doing that picture just because you want to remember someone you love or whatever I can't imagine publishing it though poor dude poor a poor dude.

Poor dude. Poor dude. What a fucking rough one. What a rough one, man. And it starts out with this amazing thing. All of a sudden, America loves you. You're on a television show, and you're the star. Yeah.

That is one of the wildest things that happens to really young people they put them on a show and they're a star and then the rest of their life is trying to like figure what the fuck happened yeah like what what was that what was life dude i, this is the whole, right now, there's this huge debate over the model of Instagram influencer that films their kids all the time. Oh. Right? The argument is, if you want kids to work in the movies, there's all these protections, really intense protections now. from the really intense protections now. But the Instagram stuff that you're monetizing,

like filming your kids in some kind of weird self-produced reality show, there's no protection for the kids. Like there's no like, you know, I think child actors now, their money gets put in a trust. So there's this huge argument right now over like, is that even like, should that even be legal? So is this like babies that have their own instagram account or something like what do you it's a mode of uh it's it's like a i don't watch it a lot my wife's like tells me about it sometimes but it's basically a mode of like you know putting up youtube content so you're like parenting youtube channel you're filming your kids every

day all day long filming them like sleeping feeling like this is a for instance this is this has happened a couple times on youtube child abuse charges against youtube channel mom underscore the lack of oversight for for kids law insurers professional child performers are safe educated and not working too many hours but they don't extend to stars of popular youtube channels oh wow yeah and so you have like really overzealous parents exploiting their children dude it's like it's it's relentless and i think some of the kids are now like coming of age and talking about how fucked up it was like you know because it's like it's it's the birth it's their birthday and then the toys they're getting them they're giving them for their birthday are toys that have been given to them by brands, right? Oh, and so there's a video of them opening up the toy by the brand, and that acts as an advertisement?

Yeah. Oh, boy. So the kid's birthday gets turned into a commercial. What's that, Jamie? The story is fucked up. I'm not going to share all of the details, I guess, but it's not good. Oh, boy. Yeah.

Child stars of YouTube hit Fantastic Adventures, allegedly abused by adopted mother. The children told police their adopted mother starved, beat, and pepper sprayed them when they failed to follow directions for videos officials said dude i i don't i don't remember who this was but like aaron showed me i guess like one of these people um and again i i i this is a second hand information i didn't read it uh but I know she's like sees his stuff. Basically, there was some protection that got put in place where if you wanted to watch their video, I don't know what it was like. They were being demonetized or any their point. So they were going to have to go behind a paywall. And they were I don't know. They were saying something about how like.

Something about pedophiles admitting they knew pedophiles watch those kid videos. You know what I mean? And like trying to rationalize the way they were doing it because it was making it harder for the pedophiles to watch kid videos to watch them. Some crazy shit like that. But that's the other really fucked up aspect of it is that when you have a huge audience and you're showing your kids in bathing suits, there is a definite percentage of the audience that are not interested in watching your kids Saturday barbecue or whatever the fuck you're doing. Don't you remember when they figured out a way in the YouTube comments they would leave time codes for when the camera was like... Instagram algorithms connect vast network of pedophiles seeking child pornography, according to researchers. Whoa. Not to mention they're deepfaking their kids, for sure.

They're taking the kids and they're deep faking them and God knows what. Can you scroll back up to the top, Jamie? The top where it's... So parent company Betta says it established a task force to combat the problems. And it says Instagram's recommendation algorithms have enabled a vast network of pedophiles seeking illegal underage sexual content and activity, according to a Wall Street Journal expose. In a 2,800-word article published Wednesday, the journal said it conducted an investigation into child pornography on meta-owned Instagram in collaboration with researchers at Stanford and the University of Massachusetts Amherst. Wow. Holy shit, dude. Yeah, man.

Yeah, this is like, you know. The fucking organized pedophile network. Yeah, you really have to think when you're putting your kid online. Like, regardless of, like, whatever it is, because you have to understand, you know, you are showing pictures of your child to strangers. And now there's technology. I mean, they're already, like, you think they're just deep faking celebrities?

Right. Of course. And so, you know, then add to that the monetization. In other words, so when you're filming your kid and you have a very popular youtube account with like featuring your child you know that when you upload that thing like people are watching your kid and jerking off right and and and and that these people maybe know where your kids go to school where they live you know what i mean so that is an emergent issue right now for protection yeah yeah it's like a one of the weird things as we approach the singularity it's like one of the

weird cultural issues that haven't been dealt with yet well i've been very lucky to talk to a lot of people that were famous when they're young you know know, from doing this podcast. Yeah. And I've never met one of them that came out better because of it. I mean. Every one of them is just like struggling to try to figure out why did I get exposed to all these strangers as a child? Yeah. Why was I exposed to all that attention as a child when I'm supposed to be developing, interacting with people, trying to figure out how to move my body, how to talk, how to interact?

Like, why am I doing this publicly at six? I mean, your childhood was converted into money. Yeah. Like, they took your childhood, dropped it into a money machine. And it's like, and you couldn't consent and then your parents were so excited well the parents are usually getting rich right and but and they're also saying like thank you look at this life we have you're so talented so then if you start feeling like i don't think i want to act anymore i i don't like this or this feels fucked up or i

just want some more free time all the guilt all the guilt kicks in because you're like, I got to keep doing it. It's keeping my parents afloat. The whole lifestyle collapse. It's so fucked up to do that to kids. You steal the kid's childhood and turn it into money. That's a great way to put it. And then pretend that the child is complicit. You trick yourself as a parent into thinking we're all on the same team.

Isn't this great? What an adventure. And it's like, dude, I, you know, my kids don't like it sometimes when we are just taking pictures. And I don't blame them. You know, I hate it when people take pictures. But, you know, any parents taking pictures of their kids. But sometimes my kids are like, they don't want the phone and it's like okay okay no problem imagine all day long all day mommy's setting up another shot in the kitchen

it's spooky people are so nuts with attention do you hear about that one guy that crashed his plane on purpose for YouTube views? Yes. Like he jumped out of the plane. Hiked. And like let it fucking crash. For views. For views. I mean I guess when you're

doing the math and you think how much... Deliberately crashing plane to get YouTube views. So like this guy just jumped out of a fucking plane. doing the math and you think it makes a deliberately crashing plane to get youtube views so like this guy just jumped out of a fucking plane so like who knows whose kid that fucking plane is gonna slam into yeah imagine you're hiking with your family this is amazing beautiful mountains and you get hit in the face by a plane? By a plane that was like flown by a YouTube influencer. Why would, I mean, you just ruined that plane too. Well, I think the calculation is he knows the number of views he's going to get on YouTube

will generate more money than the plane was worth. So there's a profit there. Like whatever he paid for the plane is probably less than what he'll make from YouTube from that video and he got video footage of the plane crash so he had a camera on the plane it is so crazy we could do this now that we can convert our lives into money it's so crazy you could like just film yourself doing shit and then then maybe make so much money off of just stuff that, you know, normal stuff. So was this guy trying to say that the plane crash happened with him in it? Was he trying to fake that?

And they had to hike out? Is that what he's doing? No. Or did he, like, let people know that he jumped out of the plane all right and filmed that said it was an accident that actually happened in 2021 oh and they just found out about the whole investigation happened it's cool man there's there's videos of pilots watching the video and like making commentary on why it's suspicious because like apparently you look at the plane and there's stuff

that should be in a plane that's not in a plane. Like expensive stuff. He was acting like the engine went out and he had to bail. Oh. But he also then went and knew where it crashed and snuck back in and pulled the wreckage out before

the FAA could go and investigate. He pulled the wreckage out? He says they told him to preserve the wreckage out before the FAA could go and investigate. He pulled the wreckage out? He says they told him to preserve the wreckage. He said he waited two days to report the crash. I think he had already gone and towed it out of there or something like that. More than two weeks after

the crash, he had a friend who flew a helicopter to the crash site and airlifted the wreckage to Rancho Sisquak in Santa Barbara County where it was loaded onto a trailer attached to Jacob's pickup truck. Whoa. Isn't that wild? Yeah.

He unloaded it in a hangar, drove the wreckage to an airport. He then cut up and destroyed the airplane wreckage and over the course of a few days deposited the attached parts of the wrecked airplane into trash bins in the airport and elsewhere wow three million views off of that yeah it's super normal to be just chopping an airport uh an airplane up and putting in trash bins all over the airport think of like your inner dialogue is your depositing your plane What would you do to a body? That sounds like you sounds like he's doing to a body. Yeah, yeah, he was he was just trying to like it like Like it's such a complex

Way to get YouTube views like it. Yeah, it worked though. It worked. But now he's going to go to jail. Yeah, for maybe a long time. Really? Yeah, I think so. How many years he faces in prison? Holy shit. 20 years for a stupid YouTube stunt. And a penalty of up to $1,644 for each day

he did not return something. I mean, we do need strict penalties. For sure. To keep people from just dropping planes out of the sky on us. Yeah. Yeah, you got to set an example for a guy like that. That guy could... Dude.

I mean, who knows where that plane was. What happens if that plane catches wind? That's so wild. Flies into someone's house, and then the guy's a mass murderer. When they were making YouTube in the early days i don't think they ever thought that like there would be plane crashes because of their technology i don't think they ever thought like this thing is going to like influence society and just destroy lives people are going to ruin their lives for views on this thing. Imagine that guy had to plot out where the plane was going to crash, too.

Because he had to be jumping high enough where you can jump. I don't know what that threshold is, but you've got to be pretty high up there where you can jump and then film yourself before you even pull the parachute. Right? So he's filming himself. Yeah. I mean, it was a plan. Like, he thought about this. So that fucking plane is way up there.

Way up. And that sucker is, how long do you think he flies for? If you really, that's a, he could have killed people. Easily. 100%. I mean, the assumption is no one's going to be out there, but I mean, that's a huge assumption. Such a huge assumption.

You could hit another plane. There's a lot of things that can happen. You're way up there and you're bailing out while it's way up there. It has to be up there enough where you can jump out. How high was it when he jumped out? Does it say? I'm looking for more details.

You said he was trying to get a sponsorship deal. With who? Better help? Who's the sponsorship with? I can almost figure it out so i'll just let people look that up you can kind of guess it's it doesn't say the name of it though but what do you mean you can kind of guess it says it's a wallet company oh god jesus christ he's trying to get a sponsorship it's i mean this era of capitalism is so bizarre like so bizarre the way people are are manipulating the system or just the what they're doing wow just that's what i love regardless of how also

you have to like ethics aside whoa yeah that is badass like pull away the ethics. Just look at purely, what? Not only did you fly your plane in the sky, jump out of it, but yeah. He represented the United States in snowboarding in the 2014 Winter Olympics. He's an Olympian. Whoa. And then he put himself in the worst situation and managed to hike out and then monetize it, dispose of the plane. He has a friend with a helicopter who was like, yeah, sure. I'll get your wreckage. Fuck, man.

That's like pull the ethics out, and it's like what a fascinating, rotten dude, right? Yeah, right. Like, whoa. He's got a friend with a helicopter that pulled plane wreckage out of the mountains. He's got like those are – that's how you know you got a friend. Yeah.

Well, you pay him a lot. Right. Because, like, was what he was doing illegal? Like, there's probably some rules. Like, if you have to report a plane crash, you can't just, like, take the wreckage. I imagine there's enough, like, ways you could talk your way out of that one. Really?

Yeah. I didn't know. He told me out of that one really? I didn't know he told me he reported it yeah I didn't know that I'm sure I didn't know I'm just out here working flying my helicopter around I don't know what's going on just picking up a broken plane

I am but a helicopter pilot yeah I imagine the helicopter pilot is probably sweating a little bit, but he's probably okay, right? Because they're going to focus on the maniac who was playing into a mountainside for YouTube views. What a world. What a world.

It's interesting because whenever these emerging technologies exist, like social media sites where you can do things to get attention, you're going to see certain people that they grab a hold of it in a very weird way. certain sociopathic, psychopathic members of our society who go, I know how to do it. I'm going to pretend to assault people at the mall. Or I'm going, you know, there's a lot of those. That shit's so weird. And they do it for, and some of them get fucked up. Like they've jumped people at the ATM machine. Like pretend jump, like give me all your money.

And the guy just beats the fuck out of them yeah yeah yeah I know I mean it's a prank it's a prank they always seem shocked yeah that's the like why are you stupid kids that are living in the internet yeah I've seen a few I saw that like I think some kid at Home Depot just got slammed to the ground like you know they're trying to fuck with these like old but big people who are like definitely like the best part of their day he's beating the shit out of some little puke with a cell phone yeah maybe their year yeah boy 16 fatally shot during prank gone wrong in northwest indiana oh no he was shot and killed with an apparent prank gone wrong 16 year old was found suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest in the backyard of a residence

just before midnight uh officer began administering cpr victim showed no signs of life he's pronounced dead at the scene police police had the initial investigation determined the victim of an 18 year old were in the back the victim and an 18 year old were in the backyard with friends when the 18 year old pulled out a gun as a prank and it accidentally discharged striking the boy in the chest oh that's different that's different like he didn't oh god god damn jesus christ it's just you know this technology man like it's just it's it's growing and we're like yeah it's been introduced to this population uh this biome and and like yeah it's like any other thing when you introduce it to an ecosystem like it causes problems that you never expect yeah real problems this similar thing this

guy got shot doing something i guess like one of these youtube videos where they're fucking with people in a store this is what i'm getting off of the video that was another guy he was fucking with someone that guy shot him it says he was harassing the gunman oh boy yeah so fucking sad good night everybody imagine being a kid just trying to figure out what to do in this world imagine being a teenager and you're looking at all the different possibilities for your life as an adult like what are you going to do for a living yeah and influencers one of those it's a real that's a real possibility now yeah yes totally man i mean that yeah or like you know the other possibility the new job is prompt engineer have you heard that no prompt engineer is a name of it's like essentially an ai whisperer it's someone who knows how to tell an AI or specific instructions

that work for some goal. And so generally like that's like art maybe like, cause you know, talking to mid journey, which is this insane text to art AI. Like there's a lot, like when you, like the, the amount of weird specificity involved. Can pay up to $375,000 a year and you don't always require a background in tech. Oh, wow. I saw one offering 800K the other day. Jesus. Isn't that cool?

It's like now there's a job where you talk to robots, where you're better at talking to robots than other people. That's a real job now. And God knows the other weird like by the time like you and i are super old man like what the shit everyone's gonna be doing is gonna seem so odd yeah and it's happening quicker and quicker that's what's weird it's like society is transforming culturally quicker and quicker technologically quicker and. It's like it's going to make these giant changes that are going to happen at such a rapid rate that it's going to be hard to remember

when they didn't exist before. Yeah. There's no time to get used to it anymore. There's no time. Yeah. You used to have so long to get used to. Even like stupid news, like the Roomba, which was like, remember when the floor robot came out?

Everyone was like, what the fuck? But we had time before the next thing came out. Now, because of AI, it's working on things and solving problems so fast that like they already, Jamie, did you see that thing? It already like solved some big problem in medicine. it already solves some big problem in medicine. It's already figuring shit out that's going to have direct applications to a human lifespan, curing diseases. And the amount of time it might take to get to that point with human brains is way, way longer than the AI brain.

Is that the Faustian bargain? Because in the process of giving up the way you source information to artificial intelligence, then it just starts to take control over other aspects of your life. Whoa. Why don't we just do government? We can do government better than people.

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I have to pee again. So bad. Yeah, me too, man. And we're back. And we're back. Dude.

It's so hard to concentrate when you have to pee. It really is. It's crazy. It's like you barely can form sentences. Like, I don't even remember what we were talking about. I was just, I had to pee so bad. Dude, I love that we never remember what we're talking about. And it really, I think, is irrelevant, honestly.

Ultimately, because what's on your mind right now? Yeah, just what's on your mind right now yeah just what's on your what's what's going what's on your mind the second man it's just like fuck i just you know the fact that like this is a conversation in like the ufo universe that's happening which is watching all these like hardcore i'm still wearing a stethoscope i just realized that my thing fell off the like hardcore skeptics hardcore skeptics are now it's just interesting to watch and again until i see a ufo i'm going to be skeptical yeah super skeptical but it's interesting to watch the the gradual shift that's happening in people who are like big time debunkers there is like like, not like, okay, I think they're real

and I don't blame them for saying I don't think they're real because it's like really, they're still going off of like just people saying it's real. But the fact that the people saying it, like Marco Rubio coming out now, did you see that shit?

Right. But isn't it interesting? This is my observation. What they're saying is they talk to people who say this. Right. That's everybody, including Grush. Grush is saying that he has access to information and he was aware of information.

He was aware of things that the public wasn't aware of. And so he wants to be a whistleblower because the public deserves to know about these things. Yeah. But he has no access to it. Well, Rubio said he talked to people in the government who said they had firsthand. Right. Right. But he talked to people who said they saw the thing.

Under oath, though, right? Right. But where are those people like i until those people are standing in front of the camera going i was on the spaceship yeah i met the entities they talked to me through telepathy yeah i think we might be close. They've got that hearing coming up. And I know that a lot of the or I like to believe that a lot of the sort of careful wording of things right now is to protect people who worry that they'll get killed. They have a sense of like, shit, man, they're going to kill me if I tell you this. But because he did it, I'm going to come out and say it. And, you know, so they, I think they feel like, shit, we've got to be very, very careful

to protect these people. I don't see any benefit for any body in the government to go on statement saying that they've talked to people within the U.S. military who have seen ufos what's the benefit there like if it's not true you're gonna look like the biggest on earth you're gonna be ridiculed it's gonna ruin your career potentially as a politician so i don't see much of a benefit in them coming out and saying that stuff that's the part where it's like i can't trace the how marco rubio what's he gonna he runs, he's going to be like, I'm the guy who got tricked into thinking there was UFOs. Right. Yeah, it has to hit sort of a wall of public demand, you know, where the public demand is like, hey, enough people are talking about it there's enough whether it's commander david fravor the new york times article jeremy corbell all these different different videos that get released where

there's enough credible people talking about it that they have to kind of address it and if someone like a senator like marco rubio has a conversation with someone when they're saying yeah we have crashed ufos and we have alien bodies and we're hiding it from the people yeah dude and then that where this has been going on for 80 years here's the deal if you are a politician and you realize we've all been briefed on this shit and it is coming out and you you other people don't have the guts to come out and say it. You realize to be the first politician who came out and told the truth. Now, there is benefit there. There's a lot of benefit in the courage to come out and support whistleblowers. it that's so creepy because it points out that u.s taxpayer money is being allocated to if it's true i'm saying our taxpayer money is getting allocated to some organizations that are outside

the control of the u.s government this is and has been doing it for 50, 60 years. This is unconstitutional. Like you can't do that. Like what does that mean? That means that there is a second power structure within the government, truly like a secret something. And that is like we're paying for it. And that is like we're paying for it. And if you're benefiting from the technology, if you're selling the technology to private contractors and making money off of it, like that's supposed to be for us. Free energy, whatever it may be.

So that is where it's sinister, sinister. Well, also imagine if you're the government. Imagine if you're, let's say, the Air Force, and you have control over some vehicle from another planet. Where you have, if the airport wants jets, they don't make them. They hire someone to make them. They have a military contractor that has all the engineers and all the expertise, and they hire all these people that actually make jets. Right. They need a jet, they buy a jet.

So if they acquire a spaceship, they're not going to hold on to it themselves. They don't have the people to fuck with this thing. They're going to bring it to the people that make those things. They go, hey, you guys make the stealth bomber. Tell me what the fuck this is. Right. tell me what the fuck this is right right tell me what the fuck this is yeah yeah man and and can we make one and if we can't make one can we figure out how it runs yeah at least tell us how it runs do you have any idea i heard that like j Jeremy was on my podcast was talking about how they uh it's apparently I'm sorry Jeremy if I'm misquoting you this is from me mm-hmm obviously like so forgive me if there's a error in the way I'm saying it but uh

it like it's compartmentalized yeah so some of the reverse engineering people theoretically don't even know that they're looking at wreckage. Yes. That's what Bob Lazar said on my podcast. He said part of the problem is science can't exist in a vacuum. Science is collaborative. And the metallurgy guys weren't talking to the propulsion guys. Nobody talked to anybody. You had an area where you're allowed to go and look at the vehicle.

And, you know, you were with your other teammate and everybody reported on everything that was said and done. Yeah, man. And it was too limited for them to ever really figure out in his belief at that time. So we're talking about 1989. So we're talking about 1989. If what he's saying is true, what he was saying was that they were bringing him to this area, and he couldn't tell his wife, he couldn't tell anybody where he was going, and they were flying him to Area S4 where they had this UFO.

They didn't have just one. They had multiple ones. And this sort of aligns with what Grush was saying. Because I think what Grush was saying is there's 12 of them. They have 12, which is like for real, for real? Or are you guys like sending money to Ukraine you don't want me to know about so you're showing me this? Like that sounds so crazy. Yeah, I don't buy the distraction theory because it's like, man,

the U.S. government's been doing weird shit with money. But here's the distraction. What if this is just an advanced drone program? And what the U.S. government is doing with this advanced drone program to obscure it, they just start releasing UFO stuff and having whistleblowers come out that are actually intelligence agents. And they come out and start talking about bullshit programs that don't even exist right you know like they just start fucking with the people online which they've done with other stuff sure I mean if you look at what they did with MKUltra just MKUltra alone you you should be You should go, what? What did you do? You guys set up whorehouses where you dose the Johns and then

film them through what is it? See-through mirrors. Double-sided glass or whatever. Yeah. That's the government. Your tax dollars went for that. Those were the fun days. What kind of valuable research do you get from dosing up some plumber

looking to get his dick sucked you know and give the guy a glass of water it's got fucking acid in it god and you're in the cia you know how fun that is you're in the cia you're you're in like you're in the cia you have infinite access to lsd They're just like letting you go into like brothels and like watch people fuck. Like, wow. Well, not only that, you're a puppet master. You're literally giving people crazy, powerful, psychoactive drugs against their will. And you're watching them and you're learning how to manipulate people's behavior. And that's the Tom O'Neill, the book Chaos.

It's all about MKUltra doing it's all about mk ultra doing that with manson and manson doing that with his followers do you know the gifted and talented program conspiracy theory it's connected no gate theory were you ever in gifted and talented no you know it's a one of my favorite current conspiracy theories and uh admittedly conspiracy theory in other words it's just cool. I don't necessarily believe it. But basically the idea, like the gay program apparently, and I looked it up and there does seem to be some connection, was sort of funded by the feds. It was definitely somehow involved with the government, basically not where it goes in a conspiracy land.

The idea is they wanted to find people, kids early on who demonstrated certain traits that then they could hire to work in intelligence. It's a grooming program for intelligence, basically. And so all these like and again, i just love these things i'm like if they're real or not it's still cool so there's all these like uh aspects of people who are in it like an occipital bulb like people who are in it like if you like they they have this bump on the back of their head weird marks like sort of like when them navigation things are a Sirius XM radio antenna on your roof of your car. You got a fucking antenna back there. Is that what it is?

Is that what it's supposed to be? No, it's, yeah. Maybe it's an implant. Maybe they give you that implant. That's where we go. Oh, that's where it goes. That's a good spot for it. They would make you drink this weird pink shit.

They would do this hearing drink this weird pink shit they would like do this hearing weird pink shit yeah i mean jamie i bet you could find the whole list of like commonalities and people in the program and it's like interesting like the hearing they had you would have to do this hearing test before you got in you would be in a windowless room or a room where the windows are covered up with a dude giving you and i that's how i got in giving you giving you an iq test the iq test had the esp cards in it along with a lot of other weird shit and then what would happen is because generally like smart people sometimes are are kids who meet these things are underperforming your parents are are fucking delighted. So you hear from school, they're like, actually, your kid isn't a complete fucking idiot.

As it turns out, he's got a very high verbal IQ, and we think we should put him in this special program. Train him to be a fed. Well, yeah. I mean, you're not asking like, wait, what is the program? Well, who came up with the idea for the program? You're just like, my kid's smart. Yes, put him in there. they care about kids duncan yes they just want to get those smarter kids

yeah yeah we're gonna put a lot of funding to making them smarter and smarter and we're gonna set up careers for them yeah right in nicaragua and they'll never know they'll just think like when we came up to them in the college, they got a scholarship for that we provided. And we're like, hey, we love your dissertation. Can we talk to you about this really cool job? You'll never know you've been groomed your whole life to be in it. Again, probably not true, but interesting. An interesting like new conspiracy that I like a lot.

It's really it's really interesting. I hope people out there research it for me because I'm so lazy. That's what drives me nuts about censorship online is that the really dumb ones that are obviously not real, I think are also amazing. Yes. I think they're fun. There's some people that are just out of their fucking minds.

And then there's things that come up sometimes where you're like wait a minute how did that slip by mainstream news like how did why is this not a subject that everybody's kind of tweaking about right every now and then like the hollow earth one i was like that is so ridiculous that's so ridiculous but and it's still ridiculous it's still ridiculous but then they discover there's three times as much water inside the earth yeah than there is in the oceans i got so excited about that one till i looked into it what is it apparently the water's like compressed sadly into the soil in other words oh now i could be wrong about that but i can remember

specifically the disappointment that swept over oh i thought they were saying there's like oceans under the surface what i read is that a lot of the water they're talking about has been compressed into soil soil moist soil dude i when i one night when i was super high, I emailed a famous geologist because I had just read about caverns under the earth. And I'm like, my God. Literally, there's massive empty spaces down there bigger than the Grand Canyon. Could that be true? I just still can't. I didn't understand it.

And I don't know the answer for sure. But, you know, so look. Look at like we're studying the plumes of Europa. Is it Europa? To find organic life. We say within the ice of Europa, there could be organic life. Here it is. Sometimes scientists think Earth's oceans formed when icy comets hit

the planet, but new research suggests a different origin for the oceans. They simply seeped out of the center of the Earth. The finding published in Science suggests that a reservoir of water hidden in the Earth's mantle is more than 400 miles below the surface. Try to refrain from imagining the expanses of underground seas. All this water, three times the volume of water on the surface, is trapped inside the rocks. Sad. So in this rock is water. So that's what it's saying?

A piece of synthesized ringwoodite, the blue mineral, may contain ocean's worth of water in the earth's mantle. Okay. But it's in the rock. Right. So it's like it's not water. Stop lying. That's like saying all the people on earth consist of an ocean of water because most people are like, what are we, like 70% water? Yeah, right. There's an ocean of water in people people we just got to drain the water out of the people we

got another ocean another ocean what are you saying like that's not an ocean you have fucking rocks you have wet rocks no one's going to your fucking article if you say there's wet rocks under the earth you gotta say there's an ocean but there's three times as much water in these rocks as there is in the ocean but yeah but it's in rocks it's not water unless There's three times as much water in these rocks as there is in the ocean. Yeah, but it's in rocks. It's not water. Unless it's water, like you put it in a glass. No?

Then shut the fuck up. That's not water. You got rocks. But, but, don't destroy this for me, Joe. But, just think about the fact that life, life grows in so many places right and if there were voids within the earth and there was like some kind of heat source whatever it is and it gets hotter down there and maybe some water didn't just make it into the i mean caves are fucking wet right so if there were water down there a heat source and also if there was like some flow of water seeping in from you know the surface theoretically theoretically some life form could evolve down there just like we did

theoretically it might not be like advanced like us it might just be some kind of like insane fungus my youngest really loves horror movies we watch watch horror movies together. Yeah. And we watched The Descent the other day. Oh, I love that movie. That's a great movie. God damn. I forgot how fun that movie is. That's a fun movie. The Descent 2 kind of sucks.

Yeah, not as good. The Descent 1 was shit. Oh, my God. The setting. Oh, there's so much in it. Appalachia. Everything. The way they set it up, the movie, it's like, oh, right off the jump, like, oh, my God.

Hot cavers. Hot cavers. Hot cavers that fucking squabble with each other. It's fucking great. It's fucking, I highly recommend it. It's fun. The Descent is one of my faves. Like, it scratches a real specific itch for me.

It's like, I love Hollow Earth shit. And then, like, it just, you've got, like. Well, it's not Hollow Earth hollow earth shit and then like it just you've got well it's not hollow earth it's caverns it's like it's i mean it's beings that evolved in those caverns i mean there's a lot of ridiculous shit in it like they're grabbing elks and dragging them into the hole and eating them there like yeah the whole thing's so dumb you can't have a bunch of like weird like mutants living under your forest and so many of them too like no pictures but i i don't i think it was like another senator talking about the possibilities what these ufos are

one of them said could be coming from an ancient civilization that's just choosing to reveal itself to us now this was a government official saying this oh i wanted to bring this up michael norris i didn't watch the video but it was one of those things where the the headline of the youtube video it's like uh on the michael knowles show it's something about aliens are demon confirms aliens are demonic oh please yeah but he was talking to somebody that like i think he's talking to lou elizondo right who is a part of the program the the atip pro one of those ufo research programs um but there was this video about it do i need to make a feature-length documentary called what is a demon to teach matt walsh blog

that extraterrestrial aliens aren't real? I would watch it. Hmm. So Matt Walsh thinks, are the righties duking it out with each other? Is that what this is? I don't know, but please make the documentary. He thinks they're not real. So Michael Nolos is saying that extraterrestrial aliens aren't real.

He thinks they're demons. Intelligence officials now confirm that UFOs of non-human origin have been recovered and studied. At this point, the only reason to discount these reports is your own preconceived belief that aliens can't exist. The evidence is really overwhelming now. And he's not wrong.

He's not wrong, but it's... Here's the thing. The evidence that we can get a hold of is all anecdotal it's all people talking about these things until it passes that i'm on this huh i'm interested but i'm not believing you yet i've i know if you know about mk ultra if you know that they did that and they didn't get punished for it, those people just died. So what happens? Does it evolve or does it stop?

Most things evolve. When you go back to Eisenhower warning about the military-industrial complex, he was warning about it then. It was an emerging thing that he was worrying about. Well, that evolves to now control the government. So does MKUltra and mind control, does that evolve?

Of course it evolves. It doesn't stop dead there. No, they stop. And if I was going to get people captivated, I would start talking about all these things that we have, all these fucking amazing crafts that we've recovered, but not show you jack shit. I have a lot of people talking about it, and maybe this is just a preliminary step to showing you the stuff. Maybe I'm wrong Maybe I'm wrong and these are like real patriots to think the American public needs to know

people have lived and died and not have this information and it's Your duty as a patriot is your duty as a human being as a citizen of Earth to let everyone know that we're being visited Also, you might be covering up for the military industrial complex that's figured out a way to make hypersonic drones that look and behave like something that was created on another planet. I mean, yeah. Because they funded these researchers under some guise of a hedge fund company and flown in all these physicists and give them a lot of money to shut the fuck up and top secret

clearance, which you can't violate or you get put in jail. And next thing you know, you're developing some sort of magnetic propulsion system that can rocket things through the sky silently, instantaneously. Turn on a dime. Yeah. Well, you know, man, I think. Maybe. That some of what I know I'm doing with my skepticism in this regard is I just don't want to be disappointed. Of course.

And I don't want to – it's like I so will love it if my kids get to live in a world where aliens aren't even weird. Yeah. And I want that world so much that it's definitely going to give me some confirmation bias and it's definitely going to like warp because it's so easy to see in something what you want there to be. But I just like I don't and I'm dumb, but I can't quite access the real the benefit. benefit like i think there's other ways to lie about your uh secret weapons uh program than by like gaslighting senators under oath i feel like that is such a dangerous thing to do and uh so to me it's unless you think that senator is a dork you want to get rid of him i'll tell federman anything you owe me i'll tell him anything i'll tell Fetterman anything. I'll tell him anything. I'll tell him I do anything.

I'll tell him I'm an alien. I'm an alien. Hey, bro, I'm an alien. We came to contact you. Basically, had meetings with him. He's an alien. Fuck. Fetterman isn't coming forward with this shit, though, man.

It's like, again. He should be. He's got the information. He's just a coward. You think they told Fetterman? Yes. That's why he's pretending to be a person who doesn't talk that

good. Dude! He has too much information. The best way to, like, not be credible? Like, I don't want to be involved. Yeah, man. I mean, he would be a great person to, like, leak to. We told him. Have you heard this theory being talked about? Are the aliens

us? UFOs may be piloted by time-traveling humans. Yeah, I've heard that before. I was trying to find where I saw it, but recently, like in the last few days, I saw someone, I think they were in the government saying a similar version to this, and that there is a date that they have been told

and that if they tell everyone the date, it will freak people out, so there's a fight about talking about this date. About when time travel gets invented? No, that they think that these aliens are, whatever, are us coming back to warn us, and they're like, if they do warn us, they can change the timeline and fuck it up.

Oh, about a thing that we might do? Yeah, and they're very vague in the thing I read about. Yeah, maybe it's like Ukraine. I mean... Jesus Christ. But dude, also, if you... Do you see Greta Thunberg went to Ukraine? No. To say, how dare you?

Did she go there to scold them? No. She went there to be a part of the Illuminati. They fucking welcomed her with open arms. They had a meeting with her. Zelensky talked to her. Holy shit. She's a kid, man. What are we doing? It's so bizarre. Did you have this strange kid on the spectrum that you fly around the world as the uh spokesperson for climate change

and the the strange part about it is it's like this is not a person that most people think is the person they want to hear talk about this no who do you want to hear talk about this. No. Who do you want to hear talk about this? You want to hear like a rational, educated scientist that's warning you about the very specific details of what human beings and our pollution is doing to the world. Like here's science and graphs and data. Instead you're sending a kid that like got famous for saying how dare you how dare you robbing us of our future you know it's a on one level not thunberg that's i mean the whole thing strange the whole thing you just showed is like dystopian it's strange but but on But on one level, I know that scientists are scientists.

Scientists are not comedians. You know what I mean? And I know that many of them want to convey the shit they're discovering to people who didn't go to graduate school. Right. And they need a mouthpiece. They need someone to speak for them and and and they just keep fucking it up because it's like you generally like the mouthpieces it seems like they're condescending like you need a mouthpiece that's like able to be

like to to not make the people that they're talking to feel like they're being talked down to right like that's how they hold authority the best way to hold authority is to make someone on the defensive make them feel stupid for questioning this and it's how you hold that authority so it's anti science like and you know again you go back and look at like tesla or fucking isaac newton what a lunatic he was a lunatic he had mercury in his hair he was studying the temple of solomon you know what i mean he had mercury in his hair yes he did and and and he is what do you mean by that like when the hair samples when they did i guess in his laboratory he must have had mercury

so he had mercury poisoning? Mercury poisoning. And this is Newtonian physics. And it's like this is – look at Tesla. He's like fucking like on a date thinking about Faust, seeing a vision of like alternating current engine, right? These are the people who warped society permanently. There was nothing tame, domesticated or normal about them. Like imagine if you if like I invite you over. I'm like, Joe, come into my I want to show you something I'm working on.

It's, you know, the Temple of Solomon from the Bible. I think it's a code. I think it's a code I could use to crack the source of all reality. And I feel like it has something to do with mercury. I'm just not sure what. So I've been pouring mercury onto this replica of the temple of Solomon. You would be really worried about me. I would be worried about you. This is Isaac Newton. And, you know, when, so it's just weird.

This thing has emerged with the domesticated normal scientist or that like you know science is somehow like filled with just very normal completely professional people when the history of it seems to be littered with maniacs maniacs maniacs yeah and not maniacs who failed in their pursuit but using the system discovered truth that changed history forever. It's really weird, man. Well, we always want to think of a person as only being the thing that is so egregious about them or bizarre about them. But there are a lot of things. Right.

You know? Right. You know? I mean, like, when they talk about, like, geniuses that also were kind of crazy and did something fucked up. Like, we want to concentrate on that crazy thing. Like, wasn't Tesla in love with a pigeon? Yeah. Like, wasn't somewhere in China about a pigeon? Yeah.

Yeah. We want to concentrate on the weird, you know, asocial aspects of them. They were all very bizarre in how they interacted with people. That's right. String of bad relationships. They had bad relationships, Duncan. And ignore all the shit that they said that doesn't fit into what, like, makes sense. Like, Tesla's death beam idea.

The idea that he could, like like create some resonance and send a death beam to blow shit up or like probably could well i mean you should see that i feel like we already talked about this we've talked about everything have you seen the myth busters where they make one of these tesla resonance engines and put it on a fucking bridge and they're they're not expecting anything happening then the whole bridge starts fucking vibrating. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's right, I remember that. And they turned it off. They didn't continue the experiment because the bridge started making some weird shaking thing and like, oh, well fuck.

Turn it off. Imagine that you're smarter than Tesla. This didn't work. This is just quackery. And you just open up a gate to hell. Do you remember The Event Horizon? One of my favorite science fiction horror movies of all time. It's a great movie.

It's about these people that use this time warp. You know, they fold space-time in order to travel. And when they do, one ship disappears. So another ship goes to look for that ship. And by doing that, you open up a gate to hell. By doing that fold over of space-time, so you can get straight from one point to another point instantaneously, far across the galaxy.

Haunted spaceship. You open up a gate to hell. And so everybody has to deal with the literal hell, like Latin-speaking demons. It's a fun movie. I mean, which came first, Doom or Event Horizon? Which came first? I believe Doom.

I believe Doom. Because that's Doom. Do you know where the name Doom came from? No. It came from the scene from The color of money with tom cruise color of money when tom cruise is a pool hustler and he goes to this pool hall and he's watching this like the number one player play and the number one player is this cool looking black dude and he he looks at him and goes what you got in that case because he's got a pool case he goes in here and he opens it up doom cool and that's what doom was

for the game community that was doom for the game industry when they what do you got in that box when this box we got doom and that's what it was i mean when john car Carmack and John Romero, when they released Doom id Software, that was a fucking game changer. Yeah. A 3D game, first-person shooter. You're running around, and there's fucking demons, and you're firing rockets at them. It was incredible. So cool. It was incredible.

What a great idea. Military attack on hell. Yeah. That game is so fun. It was incredible. What a great idea. Military attack on hell. That game is so fun. It's so dark. See if you can find that scene from The Color of Money. See if you can find it. But that's why they called it Doom. And which one came first?

I don't know. I don't know, but I love it. Doom came first for Horizon 97. Good game. Good game. Here's his first friend, Horizon 97. Good game, good game. Here you go. What you got in there? In here?

Doom. Come on, boy. Play. Yeah, let's play. Meanwhile, that is that cue that he opens up. That's a production cue. It's not even a great cue. It's a joss. Ah, pool nerd! It's supposed to be a balabushka, which is a handmade cue by this guy who is the master of the great cues. Like when you go back to guys like, see, that's Eddie Cohen. Eddie Cohen is like a real modern day elite pool cue maker. And he made a version, like a color of money version.

But that's the cue that Joss made and you could buy it it's not like a i mean it's a good playing cue it's it plays good but it's not a balbushka balbushka was a handmade cue by this guy who was a master yeah who yeah i mean they would age as wood he would age as wood for years and slowly turn them down and you know you'd have like stacks of wood that had been air drying for seven years before you cut them into cues. Like his stuff was like it's like a violin. It's like you're buying a Stradivarius. Like that's a real balabushka. Dude, I just read this thing online of like coders making fun of the shit that pops up for like hackers.

Oh, yeah. Because they know everything they're doing. fun of the shit that pops up for like hackers. Oh yeah. Because they know everything they're doing and they're like, you know, that's when you have very deep knowledge or something. Because in a million years I would never even think, I wonder if that really is a good cue. That's a good cue to play with. But to have that say, Eddie gave me a balabushka and show that, like, bleh. That's garbage.

What that was was they made a deal with a pool cue manufacturer, Joss, which is a very good cues. Don't get me wrong. Like Mike Siegel. Mike Siegel is one of the greatest players of all time played with a Joss. I mean, they make amazing cues. They play good. But they're made with a computer.

It's made, you know, with machines. Right. Yeah, the ends are rounded. That's an old balabushka. So what that is is a tidalist. And what a tidalist is is a house cue. So you buy a house cue. And a lot of those really old house cues from like the 50s, they converted them into pool cues, like two-piece cues that you could bring with you.

And that was a very popular cue because it's a full splice, meaning the contact, wood-to-wood contact of the two joints is like the old method that they used to use. That's cool, man. It looks like a very powerful wand in Diablo. man, it looks like a very powerful wand in Diablo. Ha! Well, it's like you were playing not just with something that played well, but you were playing with something that was art. Right.

It's functional art. It was made by a master. It was made by, in George Balabushka's case, some guy had been making them in the very beginning. Yeah, and Willie Moscone played with one like the great players played with them but there's so many guys who make amazing pool cues now it's like it's really a matter of taste and most of the players in fact now are playing with carbon fiber anyway what is the like this is probably a dumb question because i don't know enough about pool but what like if two equally matched players are playing and one of them has one of those and another one has just, like, a basic pool cue, how much of an advantage would the person with a really nice pool cue?

None. None. No advantage. It's all about the archer, not really the pool cue. Once you become accustomed to it, you know what it does. So, like, every pool cue has a certain amount of flex. Every pool cue has a certain amount of weight to it. There's a balance.

They're all different. But once your arm and your stroking arm becomes accustomed to the balance, then it can accurately determine the amount of force that it has to apply to the ball in order to get the proper rotations of the ball for it to line where you need to land your next shot. Right. So it's a matter of making the ball and then moving the other ball to the other shot. And any cue can do that. It just, you have to know what that cue does. And then you have to compensate for what that cue does.

Stiffer cues have a different reaction than more flexible cues. Right. Dude, it's such a, you know what, man? With pool, that's one that's got to pull. Golf, pool, it's got this like, oh, man. Yeah. You could just see how like you would just, there was a, oh, I wish I could, it's got this like oh man yeah you could just see how like you would just there was a i wish i it's so sad i can't remember the name of this club because they're greener it was incredible

sorry they have a pool table in there and you know i like i we would fuck around which was never fun for you i'm sure because i'm horrible but no it's always fun the uh you know i just found i see how addictive it is how like just learning how to do one thing and then you get stuck in this repetitive trying to get it to work. But it's so, the difference. It's mind cleansing. It's like archery in that regard. That when you're lined up on a shot, the only thing you're thinking about is that shot. Right.

It helps me a lot with stress. Because I have so many things going on simultaneously that would require my attention. That if I have an activity, whether it's archery, martial arts, or pool, where you cannot think of anything other than that activity while you're engaging in it. It's very beneficial. Clears your mind. Yeah, man. I need shit like that. If I don't have something like that and it's such a relief when your mind gets grabbed by something it's so great that's why video games do have a role there's a there is a good role in video games yeah the problem is

they're so good they're so addictive they pull you in so far brian simpson was explaining diablo and he started showing the new diablo on the screen and he's explaining how it all goes down and i was just seeing my my fucking time getting sucked away into this goddamn game dude it is i can't do it this is also like if you're into games right now this is like the apocalypse because like the new zelda came out and then blizzard puts out the new fucking diablo and it's like they're both in their own way just spectacular and and also you know how it is man if you've if you started with an atari 2600 and now you are like getting to interact with like technology now i started with pong son what is this that's a cut

scene cut scenes from diablo oh wow look at the scenes. But the cut scenes are just like a little movie. You just watch a little movie. You know? I mean, the game one day will probably be like this. Dude. Jamie, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. If you're playing Diablo, don't listen. Can you find the cut scene from Diablo where the dude is getting eaten by wolves?

Spoiler. Don't watch this if you're into Diablo where the dude is getting eaten by wolves. Spoiler. Don't watch this. If you're into Diablo. Wow. Really? This was actually uncomfortable. Let's end with this. Cause I got to get out of here.

We've got a show soon. This fucking game looks so wild. There's a cutscene right here. So it looks like at least... You might have to... Yeah, there you go. Mephisto. Diablo.

Bale. Oh, God! God! The ruination of Sanctuary is imminent. And yet you doubt. Only zealots and fools are completely certain, Mother. If we are to be saved, it will be by your hand. Okay, okay, okay, that's enough.

All right, let's wrap it up. Duncan, I love you to death. I love you, Joe. You're the best. You are, too. So much fun. Thank you so much fun thank you so much being able to represent science with you today yeah i feel like we did a good job i think

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