The Joe Rogan Experience - #2017 - Bryan Callen

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

Bryan Callen is an actor, comedian, and podcaster. He's the co-host of the podcasts "The Fighter and the Kid" and "Conspiracy Social Club AKA Deep Waters," and host of "The Bryan Callen Show." www.bryancallen.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Oh, hi there, Ken. Hi, how are you? Hi. It's been a while. Yeah, we're talking about stem cells. Yeah, huge believer.

Yeah. Ways to well. I go to them in town. They fixed everything. Every time I have like an injury, I get stem cells on it. How many times have you had stem cells? A gang of times. Really? Yeah, dozens. And you swear by it? Oh, yeah, I get stem cells on it. How many times have you gotten stem cells? A gang of times. Really?

Yeah, dozens. And you swear by it? Oh, yeah, 100%. Everybody does. All the elite athletes I know, all the jiu-jitsu guys, Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan had something wrong with his shoulder. He got shot into his shoulder and it fixed his neck. Really?

Yeah, he had a problem with his neck for over a year. And it went away after putting stem cells in his shoulder. They literally find where the injuries are and it gravitates towards them and it helps you heal. That's wild Yeah between that and BPC 157, which is a body protecting compound 157 I think it's called it's a peptide that's body protecting compound sounds like a complete marketing thing. This is a body protecting compound It's like you inner armor. Yeah, it's an exoskeleton just take it don't ask questions it's made out of spider skin yeah the problem is i don't know like i told you i called you i was i call i call you up and i'm like dude supplements work you're like hey fuck oh i've been saying that since i was 35 yeah you uh

you fell into this all you need is a good diet thing. Because they'll teach you that. Well, I talked to doctors. When I did my podcast, I had guys who were like, no, I don't do it. People who worked at Harvard, I was like, do you take supplements? I don't. But then you look at them and you're like, well, but you don't do any sports. You've got to talk to a doctor that's jacked, like Huberman. Yeah, Jack Scientist.

Talk to that guy. Jack Scientist. Lane Norton. Yeah, Lane Norton. Andy Galpin. Andy Galpin. Jack scientist. Talk to that guy. Jack scientist. Lane Norton. Yeah. Lane Norton. Andy Galpin. Andy Galpin. Yep. Dan Garner, all those guys.

Yeah, scientists that are fit. Yeah. Talk to those guys. They'll all tell you supplements are valuable. Yes. Well, I had them look under my hood, that rapid health at Dan Garner, Andy Galpin. And then they just prescribed me just some stuff. Not a lot of stuff.

Like, you know, just like a multivitamin. CQ10. Tonkat Ali brings your testosterone up a little bit. I got a story about this. prescribed me just some stuff not a lot of stuff like you know just like a multivitamin cq10 uh tonkat ali brings your testosterone a little up a little bit i got a story about this you don't need that i got a story about this no i don't need that by the way my testosterone was 700 but that's good but my estrogen levels were at like 37 i'm a bitch no this is good so i have to make a speech at my friend's wedding i i don't know what's going on with me, but I'm getting a little, I'm looking in the mirror and I'm getting, for the first time in my life, a little soft around the old hips in the back.

And I'm like, all right, I'm getting older, but this can't be, this can't be. That's just diet. No, no, no, no. No, hold. Oh, there's a twist. Okay. Then I'm, then I'm with my wife and I'm crying over shit i see in a i don't know a scene in a in a rom-com or a fucking commercial and i'm i'm getting i'm not kidding i'm you know i'm dead

behind the eyes you've known me a long time i'm not a very emotional i'm certainly not going to share my emotions with you but but I'm bursting into tears. At a commercial. Now hold, please. At an antidepressant commercial. I got to make a speech at my boy Tarek's wedding. Oh, no, you're all emotional. Well, that's probably part of why you're emotional.

Your friend was getting married. I get emotional at weddings. I'll admit that. Okay, I love it. And my friend's getting married. His mother's an Afghan refugee. I know she went through a lot of stuff. So it's an emotional time. But I'm there to be funny and make a speech. That's what I'm there for. It's a festive moment. I

Couldn't get through the speech sir. You're crying in the middle of it. I started crying so hard Then I I could finish speech and I couldn't get it together. So I thought something's wrong Well, what why is it? I was taking men. I know. Have to think that. Oh, you're taking Propecia.

I was taking Propecia and I was taking Propecia and it was raising my estrogen levels and it was the, it was binding my testosterone up. There's topical stuff that you can use to keep whatever fucking chemotherapy hair you have. Bro, I'm going bald. I don't give a fuck.

I'm not going to be bursting into tears. Good for you. Listen, man, I love being bald. I really do. If I could grow a full head of hair, I would 100% shave my head. You would? Yeah, I'd let it grow stubbly, but then I'd shave it again. It stops you from having to have any uncomfortable conversations with barbers.

Oh, my God. Just take a little off here. Well, sometimes they'll tell you a story and then they're holding the scissors. And I told that motherfucker and you're like, oh my God, please cut my hair. Don't just fucking kidnap me

and force me to listen to this story that has no ending about someone who disrespected you at work. Like, oh no. Do you know what I have? I have a weird thing where if you clip scissors near my ear, I start getting a tickly sensation in my back, and I start to twitch.

Oh, wow. Yeah. From when you were a kid, maybe, or something? I don't know. It's just a nerve thing. I start to feel like... It's like when somebody blows in your ear, and you're like, eee, like that.

I haven't had a haircut in, like, 12 years. Yeah. I just go... Yeah. I keep one here, too. Like, if I need a little touch-up in like 12 years. Yeah. I just go. Yeah. I keep one here too. Like if I need a little touch up, I just fucking. Yeah.

I cut my own hair. Yeah. It looks like it. I know. Do you have a flow? Somebody took a picture of me. Somebody took a picture of me. I was with my kid and they took a picture of my profile. Literally on the plane on the way here.

And I looked at my profile and I took a picture of my profile, literally on the plane on the way here. And I looked at my profile and I texted my wife. I go, listen, I know I'm very ugly. Just so you know. I don't know how you went from. She dated like a black professional athlete. You went from chocolate and jacked to medium, narrow, gray, and wrinkled. And I don't get it. It was just.

Stop thinking about yourself. I know. That's the problem. Think about life. Don't be thinking about yourself. You got to be nice to yourself. Sure. And I'm not good at that.

Oh, okay. But you got to learn how to talk. You got to learn how to be truthful all the way across the board, but with yourself. And then be nice to yourself, man. It's one of the reasons why I work out so hard. Because when I work out really hard, I have respect for myself. Yes. You know?

Yeah. If you force yourself to do something, for that day, I know I'm not a lazy piece of shit. For that day, I know I'm focused. For that day, when I'm done, I'm like, I know who I am. I get shit done. That's exactly my philosophy on all that sort of self-restraint and discipline is that every time you do something like that, it's a victory. Every time you don't do it, it's a defeat. And in my opinion, you get weaker. It's

not about getting your body stronger and you know, we're all flesh and blood. You can take me out with fucking, you know, a knife. It's more about the fact that no matter what's going on in my life, I show up. I think mental resilience is like cardiovascular fitness. I think you have to work on it all the time. And it never ends. And I think that's the same with comedy. I know that's the same with archery. I know that's the same with playing pool.

I know that's the same with jujitsu. It's one of those things where these are all perishable skills. And I think mental resilience is a perishable skill. And it's perishable minute by minute. Yes. And you can never let off. It's like, you know, you get to a point in your life where maybe you have a bunch of goals and you scratch them off. In some ways, the most lost I was at 50, I think, I drew a line through a lot

of the things I came to LA to do. And what I realized was that I'm not made to just... You need a challenge, but more importantly, I think there's something that you gain from the idea that anything that happens to you, I don't care, especially bad things, especially discomfort, especially something new, especially something that's painful or creates anxiety or just the unknown. I think that that is all of those things can truly be looked at as good. And the reason they should be looked at as good is, and more, in fact, better for you than the good things that happen a lot of times, is a very simple reason. It's, it's, if you take the, if you take the perspective that it is, you can call it God, the universe,

I don't care what you call it. It is the order of things. Instead of looking at what you can get from the universe, try to look at it is what the universe is trying to get from you so anything you go through that's difficult that's very uncomfortable is there to make you grow there are hidden gifts in that great unknown in that chaos and if you embrace it properly you will come out the other side proud of yourself, much stronger, and with deeper understanding. Maybe more empathy at the end of the day for everything. Yeah, it's that old expression, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

For real. For real. It really does work that way. It's just like lifting weights. Why do you get stronger? You get stronger because you're forcing your body to go through something very difficult. But do you ever have this, like with stand-up, I went to, I'm over it now. And I'm really happy with it.

Bro, I was there for six months. You don't smoke enough weed. I started taking mushrooms. Yeah, you don't smoke enough weed. I think mushrooms, well. It's steroids for comedy. Mushrooms or weed? 100%, both of them.

Oh, dude. Mushrooms make me so much nicer and so much more connected to my material like when i when i do stand up on mushrooms yeah i i am just like so locked into what i'm saying yes i'm never like press and play i'm like really into what i'm saying i'm really thinking about what i'm saying i did uhid for the first time. Oh! Yeah. And that was very interesting. And then I had a set, a 45-minute set.

I was closing out the show in Venice. And I was still very much in the mix of what was going on with me. And I remember saying to my buddy, Kaj, I go, dude, I don't know how I'm going to do this. I actually don't know how I'm going to do it. And then I saw, they had a picture of me from like 10 years ago. And I don't know how I did it, but I was, I started having, I started giving my younger self advice on stage.

And it worked. I was just improvising. And it worked. It was one of the best sets I've ever had in my life, and I'm not kidding. Isn't that weird? Because you don't want to try to repeat that. No, no. You want to do acid every time you stand up.

I wouldn't mind trying, though. You'll go so far gone. You'll be gone. Yeah, you can't. You can't. You've got to be very careful. I was on the tail end of it. That might be the best time

That's the perfect time for weed to like when you have an edible like right when you're not scared of everything anymore What it wears off you like oh my god, I can't wait to get on stage. Yeah, just be free Yeah, that stand-up keeps you honest and I never want to be Like because what I what I was trying to avoid was I said, I don't want to repeat myself I don't want to be obsessed with the same questions that I'm always obsessed with this right Which is really my questions are always what is masculinity? What's difference between a coward and a hero? I've always had questions those of my questions have always been Something in that area because I internalized a I think a warped sense of what masculinity is Interesting, so it's an interesting. it's an interesting battle for me.

But now, you know, you have kids. And like you said, you can't think about yourself. You know, you get older and you're just more in a position of service. But that forces you to contend with larger questions. I think a lot about God, which is— Are you becoming a Christian? I am not becoming a Christian. A lot of people do. I know a lot of very intelligent people later in life who embraced

religious beliefs, whether it's Islam or Christianity, and they felt like it gave them structure that they didn't have before. And even if they didn't believe that here's the problem if god did at one point in time communicate to his disciples there was no written language at the time and as time went on that when they started writing things down they wrote things down in languages that we don't use anymore we don't use ancient hebrew anymore at least we don't you know and but ancient hebrew is a fucking super complicated language where the letters double as numbers. So there's numerical value to all the words. So we lost all that in the translation to Latin, to Greek, to English.

There's so much confusion as to what the original meaning of the word was. I'm sure you've read a tweet before that was like in Russian and then you press the translate button and then it gives you this like broken English version of what they're trying to say right well without the context of their language understand how they use grammar it's very confusing when you're translating things and then you have these ancient ways of describing things right where it's like it's so hard to understand what their point of reference was like the way they were describing things is it's very different the way they say things than we do so that's open to interpretation and then on top of that you clearly have the work of man

so if this wasn't an enlightened encounter with some divine being that gave forth incredible wisdom to people, along with it, there's some fuckery got added. And so the question is like, how much fuckery? Because you know it's not zero. There's never been a, never ever been a person in a position of power over a kingdom that didn't lie, that didn't manipulate, that didn't control the masses, that didn't... If they were in control

of whatever the religious documents were, for sure there's some fuckery. There had to be some fuckery. I don't concern myself with those details. No? No. I think it almost misses the entire point. So what I'm interested in is the idea...

You know, you can get into... It's funny. I went to Israel for 10 days, right? I don't know if you know that. Yeah, I was excited to talk to you about it on the show. We'll talk about it. And then I went to Jordan, remind me to tell you that. But what I'm interested in, what gets me thinking is, it's very hard for me to wrap my head

around the idea. I'm a Christian. I believe that Jesus rose. That's very hard for me. I just can't accept. That's not how I... You can't accept the resurrection. I can't. See, that's one of those. But that's okay. What did they mean by that? But I will say this. I find it very, very intriguing and interesting that you take, let's take Jesus Christ and Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar, the most powerful man in the world at the time. And let's just take any

sort of reincarnation of that guy, you know, just Jeff Bezos or whoever it might be. You've got the world at your fingertips, even someone like Joe Rogan. Everybody loves you. You've got everything is free. It's, you know, it is what it is. You've reached the top of the mountain. And so let's take Julius Caesar. All the power in the world commanded armies, ran everything, and anyone would be seduced by that prospect. It'd be pretty cool to be at the top of the mountain. century Jew who at the prime of his life is killed, tortured, put up on a cross. And despite him being quote unquote God or very close to divinely inspired, he gets tortured and put on a cross. So there's no, you die with nothing. And oh, by the way, a couple of crazy notions, love your enemy, you know, walk as a humble person, sell all your possessions, give the money to the poor, all these things.

And oh, you in your body, there's something higher. So your appetites, this physical frame is actually should be subservient to a higher ideal. And I'm going to prove it by being on a cross. And what's the last thing I'm going to say? Something to the effect of I love you and I forgive you. Not a great way, not a good ending, by the way, not a way if you want to get successful, but yet we revere that person. Somehow all of us, atheists, Christians, whoever it is, somehow nostalg, or in our imagination, know that the way he walked that path,

even if it ends in total ruin, that path somehow has more power. Somehow it lasts longer. Somehow it has more meaning. Even if we try to emulate it to a lesser degree, somehow it makes us feel, somehow there seems to be something, it seems to dovetail with the laws of the universe. It seems to dovetail with something we would call the truth, something we'd call beauty, something we'd call inspiration. That's what I'm interested in. We don't talk about Julius Caesar or anybody who accomplishes crazy things the way we talk

about people like Mohandas K. Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, people that were emulating this idea, the idea of passive resistance, the idea of turning the other cheek, and then a guy like Christ, the Buddha. I find that interesting. I find it very interesting that human beings seem to resonate in their—when they think about it it i always say my best version of myself is clearing his throat in the other room you know he's that we you and i call it the pesky truth like i gotta i gotta get this shit done over here i know the i know the right way i know what i should be doing i know that i know the way i should be behaving and i i find it very interesting that if you were to just accept that the laws that are laid down in the scripture in this scripture let's say the old testament the new testament the quran um the abrahamic

religions i'm just going to talk about that for a second there's a lot of self-restriction in that oh yeah there's a lot of prudence in that there's's a lot of, it ain't that much fun. You can't be promiscuous. Look at a guy like Khabib Nurmagomedov. Exactly. I don't know how to fuck this last name up. Nurmagomedov, yeah. Khabib Nurmagomedov is arguably the greatest fighter of all time.

He's definitely in the argument. I mean, the guy lost like two rounds ever in his whole career. He is devoutly religious. I mean, five times a day there's a call to prayer. They don't fuck around. During Ramadan, there's no eating, no drinking, no nothing during the day.

The training is all like brutal and Spartan. And he takes no credit. What does he do all the time? He goes this? And he's super humble. Yes, always. He's super humble.

And he's, you know, he's admirable, right? Like you see a man like that, that's a man of character. Yes. That's a man of distinction. Yes. That's a champion. Yes. I'd rather fight an atheist than a man coming to me singing the fucking Psalms.

Remember when Evander Holyfield was singing the Psalms when he stepped in with the unbeatable Mike Tyson? Yeah. Well, you know, he had the Holy Ghost, the Father and the Son and himself. That's four people that Tyson was fighting that day. And just pure belief in himself. Yes. But more in belief in something higher than himself. Yeah. That's what I'm—I think that we are in deep trouble if we don't have a transcendent truth we believe in.

That's where I disagree with Sam Harris. Because Sam is a very smart guy and I think is a very – I love listening to him and I agree with a lot what he says. at nature the golden rule treat your neighbor as you would treat your other you know treat your neighbor as you treat yourself or whatever treat others is is can almost be proven in in nature it's a better way to walk i don't think that's enough i think you need you need to feel like somebody that's a hard sell when you look at regular nature when you watch animals i know it is i know it is i know it's survival of the fittest is the clearest. If there's like some sort of a mandate for the world, it's survival of the fittest. And then whatever those things are, have to figure out how to get more fit because their prey is getting more fit. Yes. Yes. It's just this constant horrific cycle of eating things. That's why Healy's saying, if you're a

gazelle and you wake up, run fast. If you're a lion and you wake up, run fast. I had a conversation with a friend of mine once. He's like, you always talk about nature like it's this horrible thing, but you go into nature. It's beautiful. I go, yeah, that's because they're digesting. They're digesting everything they just fucking mauled and tore to pieces in front of its mother. Correct. What are you talking about, man?

Have you ever been? Like, what do you do? You go hiking? You think you know nature? Like, what do you do? You go hiking? You think you know nature? Like, listen, bitch, I stared a mountain lion in the eyes. They're terrifying. It's a war.

It's a constant war. I made eye contact with a grizzly bear from like 50 yards away. You did? Almost shit my pants. It wasn't even a big one. Dude. It was like a six-foot grizzly bear.

They look at you so different than any other bear. Because I've only been around, well, I've been around around grizzly bears at the zoo and shit like that, but that's a different animal. They're in the wild. When you see them in the wild, they look through you. They look at you like this. So a regular bear, like a black bear, they look at you like,

who are you? What's going on here? They kind of side-eye you because they're not the king of the forest. So as they wander around, they're always terrified that a grizzly is going to show up. So they look at you like, unless it's a big black bear. A big black bear could be a real problem because

they tend to, when they attack people, they tend to do it predatory. Whereas grizzlies oftentimes... Get off my land. My kids are here. Yeah, the kids are there or you fucked up and you scared them. There's a distance where they're inside that distance. It's very dangerous. Here's my thing.

There are two animals I don't want to get eaten by or messed up by. A chimp, because they just start pulling shit off because they're spiteful. Yeah. And then a bear. I want a cat. No, no, I'll take a cat. You're out of your mind. No, no, listen to me.

Listen to me. No problem. Let me tell you why. What? They grab you by the back of your neck and you go bye-bye. They just bite you. You just want to go bye-bye? Yeah, yeah, do out of it i sure don't because i ain't winning i i sometimes people survive there's been a bunch of dudes that survive getting grizzly bear fucked

up and they just have like faces yeah but sometimes they eat you ass first the problem is they start eating your legs they start eating you that's a problem if they eat you it's a problem yeah and it's 1100 pound yeah that's's the grizzly man story, apparently. It took like a half an hour for him to kill him. That's right. That's right. And what's his name? Werner Herzog is listening.

He's like, whatever you do, don't listen. I'm just begging you not to listen. Burn this tape. Yeah, I'd have to listen. This is the best unintentional comedy that's ever been made. I agree 100%. It's an amazing documentary. And it's a comedy.

It's a comedy. Yeah. When that sheriff looks right looks right the camera goes. I thought he was retarded Like come on. This is a comedy and there's a smash cut after that word or as long as a genius He knows what he's doing He knows what he's doing 100% because there is some beauty in the story and there's some tragedy in the story And there's like this weird human element where this clearly gay guy who's in the closet is out wandering around in the woods pretending he's protecting grizzly bears. It's fucking

amazing. But he had amazing encounters. He had an incredible friendship with this little fox who was like hanging out with him. Foxes, when you camp in a place for a long period of time and they realize you're not dangerous, they just become your friend. Really? They hang out? Yeah, man. They hang out. The fox is hanging out with them like foxes like when you camp in a place for a long period of time and they realize you're not dangerous they just become your friend really yeah man they hang out the fox is hanging out with this dude the fox stole his hat they were playing the fox stole his hat and dragged into his den and he's laughing with the fox and chased after him give me my hat give me my hat

but yeah i don't remember that yeah i remember i was in alaska and a guy had a uh a female wolf and uh i said, he found it. I think, I don't know what happened, but he adopted it. And that female wolf, first of all, he said, you have a wolf. You're not going to the store and leaving the wolf. That's not how it works. Right. The wolf is always with you.

That's how it is. It's not like, I'll be home in eight hours. No, no, no. That's a wolf, bro. They're going to break out of that. Whatever they're going to do, you're part of their pack and you're not going anywhere. And it was so smart that he would bring it hunting. And it figured out that he only killed does.

And so it would point. It would point the way a pointer does. It would literally point whenever it smelled a doe and not when it smelled a stag. Whoa. Yes. And then I said, well, what about a male wolf? And he said, no, no, you never was this in Alaska. I was in a Ketchikan and, uh, he said I was fishing, you know, and, uh, I didn't see the wolf, but he was, she spayed.

I don't know. Imagine if she's in heat and she puts out that scent and then the males come around. That'd be an issue. the males i said would you ever have a male and he said you'd never have a male i said why he goes because it would always be challenging you it would always they're pack animals and it would always be you guys would always be in a situation and you'd end up getting fucked up oh yeah that's 150 pounds there's a lot of people that have wolf dogs yeah bad idea eighth timberwolf yeah they're so sketchy they kill everything they kill kids and the reason they kill kids is because they have a very they have a their their pack the pack hierarchy is is is um incredibly present in their dna so what happens

is if you have a child in that house when you leave that, that wolf considers that child to be lower. It's going to challenge. So they had too many times where hybrid wolves – I'm going to get – I'm sure people are like, I have hybrid wolves and they're the nicest dogs. No, you don't. They're great dogs, but a lot of people actually testified at these – at the lawsuits and things because those dogs, they're wolves and they look at children as being below them on the pack. So there's always a chance

they're going to take that competitor out. Yeah. No joke. No hybrids, bro. Yeah. I had a friend who had one and it got out. He was living on a ranch.

It got out and killed eight of the neighbor's sheep. Just went on a slaughter fest. Doing wolf shit. Just doing wolf shit. Yeah. Just killed them all. Yeah.

Didn't even eat some of them, right? No, didn't eat them at all. Yeah. Just found out that they were contained in this little fenced-in area. I was like, that fence is four feet high. Boink. Just jumped over that fence like it was nothing. Yeah.

You ever see a coyote jump a fence? Yeah. They're so graceful. I know. I saw a coyote jump a fence? Yeah. They're so graceful. I know. I saw a coyote jump over my back fence with one of my chickens in his mouth. Dude, I've been to that. I know exactly what fence you're talking about. Like nothing.

That's a seven foot fence. Six feet. He went up to the top like it was nothing. Toes on the top. Boing. God. Like a gymnast. With a chicken in his mouth.

With a chicken in his mouth. Yeah. What's a chicken weigh? Like five pounds? A hundred pounds, dude. I don't know. I don't know biology, but I think it's about a gymnast. With a chicken in his mouth. With a chicken in his mouth. Yeah. What's a chicken weigh? Like five pounds? A hundred pounds, dude. I don't know. I don't know biology, but I think it's about a hundred pounds. What's a chicken weigh?

What is like a female chicken weigh? Like about that big? Like three pounds. They feel like they're about five pounds. Yeah, maybe. This motherfucker just with it in his mouth, just bound over that fence like it was non-existent. And I was like under the illusion that those fences were keeping these cocksuckers out. Yeah, of course.

Well, six feet. And it had spikes on it. I saw it. Bro, he went over it like it was nothing. He got his feet on the bars. He just sprang up. Like, watch this guy. Look at that.

That is insane. Just fast-twitching muscle. Onto the roof. Look how insane that is. That's a skinny-ass fucking picket fence. He lands on the top of it. No dog would do that. No dog.

Maybe a Belgian Malinois. Yeah, maybe a top of it. No dog would do that. No dog. Maybe a Belgian Malinois Yeah, maybe a Belgian Malinois. They would do it easy. Bro this guy Matt Ritland, Mike Ritland. You know who he is? No. He was a SEAL. He trains at Malinois. I had a 65 pound Malinois I was in, he's in Dallas. Shout out to Mike and He uh- Did you put the bite suit on? I did did put the bite suit on and then he had the dog in the car and the handler had the dog by the leash and so he said just walk up to the car and

just be kind of aggressive. 65 pound dog, skinny little dog. You'd look at him and be like whatever and I start going and then I just stick my arm in and the thing grabs onto me and my buddy nick who's who's a bodybuilder crazy strong he did the same thing the pressure the pressure have you ever done

it no it'll give you a new respect it'll give you a new respect for the power of an animal the the pressure through the sleeve was so disconcerting and and i knew because i'd already done it in afghanistan i did the uh afghan. I did the Afghanistan. I did the USO. Yeah, bro. Come on. I did the USO tour. So we had dogs, you know, these giant Dutch seopards loose on us. But this 65-pound dog was doing it because he hated

me. It's one thing when it's a game of tug-of-war and it's prey drive. This thing had fight drive. This thing was like, I hate your guts. I'm going to try to kill you. his eyes just went you know those those grizzly bear eyes and my buddy nick got depressed i said you're all right he goes no i'm a little bit depressed i said why he goes because i i've never felt that kind of pressure on my arm and i'm a really strong guy but i and i said oh yeah and matt who's a seal

he goes your body shuts down when you get bit like that by a dog like that, even a 65-pound dog, a lot of times what happens is the nerves get crushed. So you can't use that arm. You're in big trouble. So even if you're on PCP, you just shut down. Those guys that get attacked by dogs, like when they stick dogs on them, those guys are never the same again. No.

When they grab their arms, that arm is fucked forever. Correct. You can't do that. That's why Rottweilers, I heard, they don't use rots anymore because they were harder to recall and their mouths are so big and they bite so hard that, yeah, it causes permanent damage and the cops were getting sued. So let's use a Malinois. Bite really hard, but you can call them off faster.

You know, they might bite less with their back teeth, blah, blah, blah. Although they inhale you. They fucking inhale you. Now, now hold, please. That's a, that is a dog. Now let's go with a Nile crocodile or a grizzly bear or any of those things. Enjoy that shit. Why are we talking about animals?

I was watching a video today of a crocodile swimming with a guy in its mouth i've seen that i watch it i watch it once a week there's people on the bridge yeah and they're i don't know what language you're speaking but they're pointing down yeah poor poor fuck getting dragged by a crocodile terrifies me well you you had that guy on on uh the amazon you know he's talking about Black Caimans. Paul Rosalie, yeah. Love that podcast. I did not know Black Caimans got to 16 feet long. Well, my buddy, he was a Green Beret, and he was the last Green Beret to do jungle training, I guess, in Brazil.

They had this joint task force with the Brazilian Special Forces. Yeah, so he was. Here's the dude swimming with the body in his mouth. Fuck. Yeah, that's not a good time. That's so dark. Yeah, there you go. Here's the dude swimming with the body in his mouth. Fuck. Yeah, that's not a good time. That's so dark. Yeah, that's really dark. By the way, this is not the same video.

The one I watched, it was a different one. Notice his other arm. His arm is off. He doesn't have an arm or a foot. See that? Yeah. That's so insane. Bro.

Is this Costa Rica? Where is this? Australia, but I'm not sure. Yeah. So these Green Berets are with the Brazilian Special Forces. And in the middle of the night, they go, get in the water. You guys are going to swim two miles. And then they were shining a spotlight on the banks of the river.

And you could just see these eyes. They're like, don't swim to the bank, don't swim to the bank. But it was all these guys. It was a big group of guys swimming, and they had to get to a point. They get to the rock, and one guy just wasn't there. And they had a moment of silence, and that was the end of that. And they got back in the boats, and that was their night. The guy was taken by a black caiman, they think.

Just disappeared just that quickly. Just shoot. See you later. You can't do that. You can't be swimming in water when there are 18-foot black caimans. Come on. Why did they make them do that? Well, because.

That doesn't seem wise. Because if you're a special forces guy. Yeah. What is that? Look at all of them out there. Yeah. What are they all out there for? I have no idea.

This guy opened his tent and they were all just there. I mean, he probably knew where he was, I would hope. Maybe. Maybe he just camped out. That's not good, bro. Those are alligators. Yeah. So, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Can you back that up a little? Yeah, all the one behind it. Were those eyes behind it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh! Look at all the eyes. Well, that's... That's a nightmare.

That is so insane. You go out to take a piss and you just get rolled. That must be like a place where they all beach to dry off or something. I don't know. Back to God. That's hell right there. That is hell. Yeah.

Hell on earth. Do you think about, have you been thinking, do you think about like spirituality or God? I try not to because it's annoying. I definitely don't bring it up. Yeah. But you've had a lot of people on or talking about it. I've been thinking a lot about spirituality. Yeah.

You know. There's a follow-up video. This was in Brazil. Oh, wow. They did a text in a little bit. So are those black caimans as well? Yeah, those are black caimans. Oh, my God, dude.

Yeah. Homeboy just decided to camp out where they nest. Yeah, you do that in Australia, and they come into your tent. So don't do that. Fuck. Yeah. It's just there's so many interesting things on this earth in terms of life forms and how they interact with the other life forms.

Some of them eat them with their face. God, I know. Giant life forms. I know. Existed in that same exact shape for how many millions of years of, how many millions of years of crocodiles been around? Let's guess. A hundred.

I mean, they're dinosaurs. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're giant reptiles, right? Like what is the number? I don't know. I'm going to say 100 million years. They probably predate the dinosaurs, don't they? I don't know.

Or coexisted with the dinosaurs. I would imagine a version of them. Yeah. I mean, that's probably what life was like 65 million years ago. It was just that everywhere. Very few mammals. I think what you're supposed to do, say you're on an island, you have to get to safety.

Because there was that story about the guys who got stranded on an island. 240 million years ago. They first appeared 240 million years ago. It was the Mesozoic era in the time of the dinosaurs. While others have evolved into different shapes and forms, the crocs stuck. The crocs stuck have stuck to this they fucked it up the crocs have stuck to the same structure for the last 200 million years that's not in the bible dude so i don't know like uh see that's the problem right that's the problem well that's my problem is it for me it's about

metaphor right right like there are too many contradictions That's why I don't get hung up on details. I'm just more interested in the in the overall arching idea that I do think there is something called truth. And I think there's something called a lie. I think there's something called a good way to live and a bad way to live. And I think if you extrapolate in either direction, one leads to something like fulfillment or who you're supposed to be. And then the other leads to who you're not supposed to be. That's what I kind of obsess about. What do you think is the source of it? Where did the Bible come from? Did it come from man's inherent understanding of his connection with God and they wrote things down and eventually became stories? Or were there real experiences that were divine? I'll answer it this way. I think that anytime you go through any kind of loss or destruction or hardship, you're you have a better chance at seeing something you wouldn't if you came from nothing but comfort, safety, and, you know, something like the Garden of Eden. Right.

You know, so I think that it's, I don't think anybody escapes suffering. I don't think anybody escapes some kind of ruin, some kind of loss, some kind of, even age, you start to lose all the things you're proud of. And I think having to contend with that maybe and trying to derive meaning from that. Because if you don't have that. But hang on. So that's a person. That's not God. Right.

So it's a person's experience with misery and life and reality led to the creation of the Bible. I think I'm just talking about the idea that there are things that human beings are capable of for example, conceiving of something that doesn't have any material relevance in the world but that later on does so let me give you an example there are mathematicians that devote their entire life to a theorem it's 350 pages long. They're 80 years old. Six people in

the world understand what it's about. And they end up dying. And in 150 years later, somebody's trying to put a rover on Mars. And they go, you know what, this equation actually is what I've been looking for and what we need to do such and such and such and such. So all of a sudden, it bears material reality. And I think that that's an example of maybe something that is grounded in the human mind that doesn't have to have its roots in experience, doesn't have to have its roots in what you can touch and what you can measure, but rather what you can imagine. That's sourcing from everything that's already been. Something like the theory of relativity or something like a theoretical math theorem

or for that matter, even something that's really beautiful. I don't know what it would be, like the Sistine Chapel. Right. That brings us to our knees because it surprises us. It shocks us. It goes beyond what we thought was possible. That I think is what's endlessly fascinating. And then I would say to you, why? What is it about the human brain that we have a mind that can actually conceive of something like that and

wants to? What is it about our mind that seems to have limitless potential for understanding and for creativity to what end to what end is it's not just comfort it's not just you know uh so i can have more food and i can watch more stuff anybody who's had all that sensation is not doesn't do the trick man you can't you can follow all the sensation you want there also seems to be something with creating something as undeniably amazing and beautiful like St. Peter's Basilica. Where when you walk in there, it's so overwhelmingly beautiful that everyone gasps. Yes. And all these people are looking around. And isn't that, in a sense, doesn't that mimic the divine force of creation in the universe right

yeah you know what your create you human beings and their their creativity and their mind and their effort to express that have created this awe-inspiring thing of beauty and you know what Chopauer and Nietzsche said about that? That is called, when you see great art like that, when you do great art, anything like that, when you say, I had a feeling of awe, what you're really saying is, I forgot I was human for a second, or an hour, or whatever.

Meaning, you forget you have to go to the bathroom, you have to have sex, you have to eat, you have to make money. Something about that arrested development that's sort of in high relief, you kind of go, you just get, you're awed by something that is possible. There's this, it's like a majesty. It's like this thing where you just go, how do you not believe in God when I have this feeling? This feeling of inspiration, maybe? And so God, again, let's be careful with that. You know, I don't like to say Jesus.

I'm just saying something bigger than myself. Overwhelming power of the universe. There might be a point. There might be a point to this. There might be something about like those two different ideas of power. There's power that makes me bow my head. I'm afraid of you. Okay.

Which Pol Pot or Mao Zedong or Stalin had. And then there's the kind of power that Michael Jordan has, you know, where I look up and I want to be like you. And it's the same idea. So you see somebody who seems to do what you didn't think was possible. You watch Jordan in his prime. You know, you watch an amazing musician do something on a guitar like Jeff Beck and create a sound you hadn't heard or or

uh the sistine chapel or whatever it might be and you just go how did you do that man how the did you do that and then there's a similar feeling that you get when you see mountains like if you are on a ridge and you're looking out and you're seeing these snow-capped mountains and a creek running through it and deer walking by. You're like, holy shit, is this beautiful. Yes. It's beautiful. And what is that thing about people?

The recognition of beauty. Like, are we the only animal that recognizes beauty? Because we don't just recognize it. We value it so highly. Yeah. Because we don't just recognize it. We value it so highly. Yeah. Whether it's a beautiful landscape or a beautiful car or a beautiful woman. Yeah. A beautiful house.

There's something about the way things look that to us is just awe-inspiring. Well, there's a whole body of romantic body of thought that says that beauty and truth are almost the same thing. You know how the Greeks define beauty? It's a beautiful way of doing it. In one word, harmony. And if you watch a cheetah run, that's what you're watching. If you watch even symmetry on a human body, you watch somebody in slow motion doing what they do really well, a great boxer.

You watch like Crawford or someone. There's something about where they place their feet, how they move their body. Even the way a great athlete is built is a thing of beauty. Sure. Like martial arts, it really is an art form. Because when someone pulls it off in an amazing way, it is beautiful. It really is.

Mm-hmm. There's no denying it. Also what it takes to do it. Like when Justin Gaethje head kicked Dustin Poirier this weekend. I know. That was a thing of beauty. I know. It was amazing.

It was amazing. Were you there for that? Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. Did you hear it? Oh, yeah. It was perfect. Yeah. It for that? Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing.

Did you hear it? Oh yeah. It was perfect. It was the perfect kick. Yep. Amazing. One little detail. To land that on Dustin Poirier like that and KO him, amazing.

I had on Fighter and the Kid yesterday, we had Jorge Masvidal, who I love. I love that dude. He's the best. And Jorge was, you know, Dustin's his boy. So Jorge was, he's at the best. And Jorge was, you know, Dustin's his boy. So Jorge was, he said, he kept watching. Every time Dustin would kick low, Justin was kind of dipping his head. So Jorge, right at the start of the second round, he's like, Head kick!

Dustin, head kick! Head, oh, fuck. Not, no, I didn't say Justin. Dustin. And he just caught him. And it was just because he had his hand here yeah it wrapped around his head yeah yeah by the way i don't know if you've heard the uh i don't know if you've heard the rumor but masvidal looked at brendan yesterday on fighter and kid and said hey man you could always step in the old cage again oh boy and uh you know but the numbers that there's some numbers thrown around there and i was like i heard those numbers and i kind of went

hey he's in and brendan was like hey what the fuck are you talking about i go shut the fuck up dude and i was like maybe i'll do it it's some numbers yeah brendan does not need to get hit in the head anymore just well hey wrestle i thought Just, hey, wrestle him. I thought you were his friend. Wrestle him. If you can. He was throwing Derek Lewis out there with no gloves. Oh, good lord.

But wait, hold on. Just hear me out. Do you want to die? Sir, hear me out. What? I'm just talking about, just shoot a blast double. Shut the fuck up.

Take him to the ground and then we got that. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I'm just, I'm just talking. Derek Lewis puts people in neighboring dimensions. He hits you so fucking hard you just cease to exist in this plane. It's so terrifying.

When he knocked out Curtis Blades with that uppercut, Curtis Blades is a big man. Yes, I've seen him train. He's a big man. And when Derek landed that uppercut and just flatlined him, he just face-planted him. I'm like, good Lord. What is that power? It's the best power in the history of the sport.

He does? Yes. Derek Lewis has the most knockouts. Statistically, he has the most knockouts. More than Ngannou? He has 14 now, I believe. Because he just knocked out Jairio de Lima. He's a fucking monster, man.

Oh, I'm saying. When Derek starts swinging bombs at you, man, the power that guy generates is so crazy. Even in Ghana, who didn't engage with him. That was the most boring fight of all time. Oh, God. No, stop, stop, stop. Watch this again. Watch that uppercut again. Watch how he lands it. He's so unbelievable.

Look at this. Boom. I mean, he's out. He's out long before that. I mean, he's out. He's out long before that. I mean, he's out before he hits the ground. Oh, that's awful. Derek's the number one knockout puncher in the history of the sport. He has more knockouts than anybody in any division in all the sport. He fucks everybody up, dude.

He would do that. That would be bad. Dude, you don't want to get hit once by Derek Lewis. He drops bombs, man. All I'm saying is, is there a number on a check? And he Derek Lewis. He drops bombs, man. All I'm saying is, is there a number on a check? And he's a lot more fit now, too. That was what's really interesting about his last fight.

He really dedicated himself. He had abs. At the weigh-ins, he had abs. You look at him. Because he used to have to starve himself to make 265. So he would really be undisciplined about it and go where he had to go three days without eating. And he did that a couple of times. He did that for one of his last fights and he felt terrible.

Because he's got to weigh 265 which is, to me, insane. That he has to suck down. Yeah. That's how big he is. That's how big he is. I was in the elevator with him once. And that's also why they should have a fucking super heavyweight division. Don't you want to see a 400 pound dude? Yes, I do. Yes, Don't you want to see a 400-pound dude? Yes, I do.

Yes, I do. You want to see the mountain fight in MMA? I agree. The mountain could not fight in MMA. He's too big. Well, the biggest guy is Brian Shaw. Oh, my God. How big is that guy?

I've become good friends with him. He's so big. What does he weigh? So Brian came to my show in Denver, and I did a whole episode of two episodes called Best Of, you know, my YouTube show with him. I went to his gym and I worked out with him. And it was just so much fun. Did he do like the Atlas Stones and shit? Dude, dude, listen.

He was, this is a real thing. Okay, he's 6'8", I think might be 6'9". And he is. 441 pounds. He was 465 pounds. Trim. Fucking trim. 465. So he would! Fucking trim! 465.

So he would have to lose 200 pounds to fight in the UFC. Dude, he took 300 pounds in one hand, Joe. 300 pounds in one hand, look, and went like that. He squatted 720. 720 is that guy. Yeah, he's ridiculous. That's so insane. But there's more to him.

He's a very smart guy, though. Very smart. You've got to have him on the podcast. Very smart. He's about to do the Brian Shaw Classic, which is going to be huge. He's squatting a car in the Brian Shaw Classic. Imagine trying to do jiu-jitsu against that guy. What are you going to do?

Well, I'm a little obsessed with him because he squatted 720 pounds 13 times in under a minute. Why don't we get this guy to train jiu-jitsu? How old is he? He's 40. He'd smoke everybody. I know he would. All you have to do is get him to blue belt level. He's playing with the idea of arm wrestling.

And Levant, the greatest guy of all time, sent a funny video going, Brian, we don't need you in the arm wrestling division. He's so ridiculously strong. You've got to remember, he picked up a Thomas Inch barbell. He was playing basketball. And he was just walking around like a giant guy. And you know what the Thomas Inch is? It's a circus trick.

Like nobody can do it. You have to pinch the barbell and lift it up. It's like everybody who's strong tries to do it. You can't do it. It's one in like 100 million people can do it. And he walked over and goes, I don't know. What is this? And they go, that's a Tom Sanch. Try to pick it up. Nobody could do it all day. And he goes, okay. And just pinched and went, this? And the guy goes, do you know what you just did? He goes, no. This is before he started training? Yes, sir. Oh my God. And he

goes, if you don't become a strong man, but what makesrian special is his intelligence but his he's super competitive to the point i was he came to my show in denver and we're talking yeah yeah those are those are over 200 pounds bro i i want to get in his ear oh no no listen this talk him into slap fighting well he there's a video of him slap fighting he was hitting him yes you don't understand how big he is oh i do understand i saw a picture of you guys next to each other yeah now now he's like shaquille o'neal but built like the hulk but this is how he is he had he read a story about a guy i think he knew the guy who got fucked up by a black bear the bear pulled his face off or something like that and the bear weighed like i think they found the bear and the bear was like 450 pounds okay

and brian was like he told me the story i go so what are you saying he goes i just i just want to know how i do against the bear and he was dead serious i go what do you mean he goes i mean i i'm just telling you you know that i'm just saying i'm gonna give the bear trouble i was not gonna give the bear trouble. He's not going to give the bear any trouble. But it was so funny. It's sad. I go, stop it right now.

Stop it right now. He goes, I'm just saying, I'm just curious. But he's that competitive. He's that fucking competitive. That's cute. It is. As far as human beings go, that guy rules the roost. That is correct. But when it comes to bears, he might as well be you.

He might as well be me. He might as well be Jamie. Yeah. He might as well be me. He might as well be Jamie. Yeah. He might as well be a 12-year-old boy. Well, no. No, I think he gives the bears some trouble. He gives the bear no trouble. He's 450 pounds.

It doesn't matter. And crazy strong. It doesn't matter. You're not a bear. Yeah, I know. The strength those things have. Yeah. The speed.

They drag mooses around with their face. Yeah. They bite a moose and just drag it into the woods by their face. I'm talking about a 450-pound bear. What kind of bitch-ass bear are you talking about? Hey, man, black bears. He'd still get fucked up. The bites.

The bites would be so terrifying. They would start shredding pieces off of you, and then you're bleeding, and then you're getting weak. You have no chance. Now, he's going to be a sweetheart here. Who's this guy on his back? That's Dustin. Gets him real quick. Dustin gets him? Because he doesn't know what sweetheart here. Who's this guy on his back? That's Dustin Poirier. Gets him real quick. Dustin gets him?

Sort of. He doesn't know what to do. Yeah, but if you talk- listen. No, you gotta understand- He kinda let him do that. If he wanted to he could have fucking slammed him. But the reality- watch this. So now he's in guard. He's doing- if he really wants to get rough with you- He's got wrestling shoes on which is kind of a bitch. He's gonna do anything he wants to. He's got too much grip. I wouldn't allow him to have those shoes on.

They'll fucking choose off, bro. He's different strong like he'll squeeze you He'll squeeze you to you poo. Well, Dustin is a real black belt in jiu-jitsu I'm sure he could defend himself if the guy didn't know what he was doing But all you have to do is teach him what to do. Yeah, see if you just like put him through like a John Donner Her six-month course. Yeah, he'd be assassinating people. Yeah, you know, you know, we're doing a fire in the kit, right? What are you doing? We're gonna have we're gonna have uh brennan shop get more brain damage well that's i have to talk him into that there's no you're not talking him into that we're talking what the fuck is wrong with you there might be a check i might be his manager most

traumatic moments in the history of us doing podcasts together is convincing him to stop fighting i know and i'm pulling him back in. Why? Hey, if there's a number on the check. You're like the fucking Colonel in the Elvis movie. I am. I'm a bad guy. Piece of shit. But how about this?

Mighty Mouse, Bradley Martin. You got a gambling problem or something? Yes. I'm putting all my money on Derek Lewis. Oh, my God. Derek Lewis. And so is Brendan. And so is Brendan. Bro, I would too.

I would too. I can't bet on the UFC, but I'll bet on that. Brendan, sorry Brendan. No, Brendan is, he's not going to do it until I push him a little more. They're talking about, Derek is a free agent now, and they're talking about maybe Derek going over to the PFL and getting $2 million to fight Francis.

Well, you know who's going to be bare knuckling? Do you know Jorge Masvidal on September 8th? Who's fighting? Do you know about this? On his event, right? Yeah. Who's fighting? Fabricio Verdum versus Junior Dos Santos.

Yes. That's bare knuckle, but it's MMA. Bro, Fabricio Verdum is in sick shape. Oh, it's crazy. Fabricio Verdum, something happened to him. I don't know how long ago it was, but he just got super fucking dedicated to training. Yeah. And all of a sudden, now he's got a six pack.

You look shredded. Fabrizio Verdum. People forget that he is in the argument for one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. He's in the argument as the number one guy because he tapped all the greats. He tapped. Cain Velasquez. Cain Velasquez. He tapped Fedor Emelianenko.

He tapped Minotauro. Bro, he tapped everybody. Fabrizio Verdum, in my opinion, you have to consider him in the list of all the greats. Knocked out Mark Hunt with a flying knee. Oh, that's right. Fabricio Verdum is the fucking man. Travis Brown? Yeah.

Listen, man, guys beat him and Stipe knocked him out, but he's a warrior. He fought everybody. And he beat the best guys in their prime. When he tapped Fedor, it was wild. Nobody could beat Fedor. Fedor was unstoppable. And when Fabrizio Verdum locked him up in a triangle and you see Fedor tap, you're like, holy shit. People forget.

It was just like when Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. It couldn't be done. Fabrizio catches him in a triangle. Fabrizio was so dangerous because his guard was just as lethal as his top game. A lot of times those big guys, with the exception of Frank Mir, who also had a super, super lethal guard as a heavyweight, most of those really big guys, they're always on top of the training room. Right. They're 250, 260.

They're just driving on top of you and they're getting mount. And, you know, they use that strength and that pressure for their game. But Fabrizio Verdum is smart. And so what he realizes, look, he's already a big, giant dude. If he develops a lethal fucking guard, then it doesn't matter where he is. So he put as much emphasis into the guard as every other aspect of his game. So his guard was just fucking nasty against world-class heavyweights in an MMA fight. To lock up a triangle like that on Fedor Emelianenko in his prime?

Amazing. I know. It's so insane. Dude, Fabrizio Verdum is the fucking man. When you watch his jiu-jitsu, when he gets on top of guys, they're fucked, man. Well, I think it was just his, he was a craft, like the craft, like he was a technician, too. Oh, yeah, man.

To be that big, but also technical. World champion in jiu-jitsu. World top of the food chain, like jiu-jitsuitsu but with an MMA warrior a guy who could knock you out just a competitor just yeah so like I don't know how that fight plays out junior dos Santos obviously is a lead striker too you know long in the tooth he's been in the game for a long time said some real wars yeah he's the shape a fights the came to lasquez fights the no matter what you do those take something out of you.

He's in crazy shape right now. I'm sure. Well, these guys, you know, I love the fact that there's other organizations that are giving these guys a chance. And honestly, I'm a fan of the idea, at least the idea of bare knuckle MMA. You've always said that. Yes. Why? Because I think there's something very unrealistic about just opening up and punching people with your knuckles you could break your hands yeah and it's

also defense wise when you have especially boxing gloves boxing gloves give you this very distorted area of protection that you do not have when it's just your hands things you gotta be literally like yeah like that I mean well Mike Perry talked about it like he's made he's the most successful MMA fighter to make the conversion to bare-knuckle boxing. And I think he's uniquely suited for it because he's such a dog. I know. Such a mad dog. And Luke Rockhold's a monster, but that check hook wasn't working.

Mike just plowed ahead and just said, you're going to break your hand. I'm going to lead with this part of my head, and I'm going to swing. And it's hard to deal with that, man, when you with gloves you can't you know you can't roll the same way also like mike has got some real experience in those fights yeah he's been doing it for a while now you know he's he's he's all in on bare knuckle boxing he knows strategies he knows to punch differently like you got to think that was luke rockhold's first bare knuckle boxing fight like you don't really get to train hard bare knuckle boxing fight like you don't really get to train hard bare-knuckle boxing Yeah, like you can't really spar bare-knuckle, but you'll cut your face right? It's a different thing. It's a different

Yeah, so like every time you're in there I would imagine at least every time you're in there It's a unique experience that adds to your repertoire of understanding what this thing is and how this is different than gloved MMA Right or boxing. So it's just different. And Mike excels in that. That is where his skill set and his toughness and his fucking grit just dominates. He dominates people.

It's almost a mindset. It's a type of person that can do that. Dude's a legit 100%, no faking it, all animal. He's not pretending to be an animal that is who that guy is and when he fights in the bare-knuckle boxing ring he's like uniquely qualified to fuck people up in that sport so let me ask you your you know fighting Bradley Martin on the podcast said he was gonna be he could be Mighty Mouse but it has no Mighty Mouse Mighty Mouse said I'm going on vacation when I get back I'm down down. They're not going to have

an MMA fight. They're going to have a jiu-jitsu match. Bradley Martin has no chance. Against a 125-pound fighter. He has no chance. Is there a time limit? There is not a time limit, sir. Then he has no chance. Is that right? Zero chance. He's going to get his back taken. Oh, he's 100% going to get choked out. It's just going to

take time. Yeah, we're going to lay some mats out. Bradley is enormous. And Bradley is so fucking strong gonna it's just gonna take time yeah we're gonna lay some mad bradley is enormous and bradley is so fucking strong he's an athlete too he's he's an athlete yeah yes no he's he's a fucking specimen he's a specimen now if this was in a street fight the thing about bradley is he can hit you with the earth you know what i'm saying yeah like he can literally pick you up and you're gonna dive on you hit the earth. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like he can literally pick you up and you're going to hit the earth with, what does he weigh? 270? 280?

What does he weigh? He's 265, but like his hands, when you grab his hands. Yeah. But his hands are huge. The amount of force that body can generate. If that guy picks you up and smashes you into the ground, your body will shatter. Yes.

Your body will shatter. If you're a human being, if somehow or another Mighty Mouse fucks up and that guy can pick him up and slam him into the ground, I don't know how much Mighty Mouse is going to be able to physically do to mitigate that. If that guy knows how to pick people up,

if he has any wrestling at all, he's so big. And Mighty Mouse is, is you know he probably walks around at a buck fifty or a buck forty five and he cuts down to 125 he's so good I know he's but if they just know slamming if they just do a jiu-jitsu match yeah my house gonna get him he's gonna get tired he's gonna get him yeah he's gonna get tired he's not gonna know the positions yeah he's gonna get him. He's going to get tired. He's going to get him, yeah. He's going to get tired. He's not going to know the positions. He's going to get trapped. That's what jiu-jitsu is.

That's what grappling is on that level. It will be wild to see. Yeah. Because he's so much smaller. We're going to try to do it in the studio. We're going to have some mats laid out. There's some old videos of Pedro Sauer. Pedro Sauer is a legendary MMA black belt.

Had a match with a bodybuilder. And Pedro Sauer, he's not a big guy. I want to say he's maybe, I don't want to disrespect him, but I want to say he's in the like 160 range, 170 maybe at the most. And this guy is this big fucking bodybuilder. And they had like a no rules fight in the gym. And this guy just thought he was going to fuck him up. And Pedro Sauer just kept kicking his legs and kicking his legs.

And this dude's like swinging punches. Then he cracks him with a punch. Look at the size of this guy. Yeah. But eventually he gets the dude down. Yeah, that guy does not fight at all. But look how skinny Pedro is. Yeah.

And he's not a big guy. But that's not surprising to me. I mean, if you do any boxing, a guy like that isn't, you never see a boxer or a fighter like who's that muscle but What all Pedro's trying to do is open him up for the takedown this what he wants so the dude gets on top of us Beautiful butterfly sleep sweep. Yeah, I mean the way he did that he executed it so bro and look at the guy rolled him over though Yeah, that's how strong this fucking dude is but eventually Exactly, but this is this is not as big a size and

strength disparity as Mighty Mouse and Bradley Martin. Bradley Martin is so much bigger than Mighty Mouse. This guy was bigger and stronger for sure, but you know, Pedro Sauer's not a small guy. No. Got all the blood and shit already.

Yeah. He catches his arm here. There you go. Oh, wrestling shoes on too. Wrestling shoes are a giant. Imagine he talked the bodybuilder into no wrestling shoes. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. Like, why would that guy fight barefoot?

And then he got him in the belly down. That's a deep arm. I'm like, oh. Those are horrible. Yeah. Just tap. I've seen so many people get their arms broken. Fuck that.

Do you know the one that freaks me out the most is the Kimura? Yeah. Because it's that spiral fracture of the upper arm i don't know i'm always like please please fucking tap please tap please tap please fucking tap i say that's how i am now with uh like when people get punched in the face too much i don't like it i don't know meanwhile you're trying to get brendan chobb to go fight mma bare knuckle against derrick lewis there's a number on a check derrick lewis will make you forget your childhood. He will.

For a while. You won't remember anything below like 10th grade. Then you're rich. Then you're rich. No, no, no, no, no. We got to protect our boy's brain. I text Brendan this morning. I go, how's training going?

Work on your defense. He goes, fuck you. I hope he's too smart to do that. I don't care how much money they throw at you. You don't want Derrick Lewis Lewis that giant flying knee that he landed to start out the fight I was practicing that bullshit for five years I was ready to quit on it

is that what he said? he took his fucking pants off in the octagon he ran around he did the axe across his dick he said that to his wife I'm coming home I'm going deep tonight. He's an animal. He's got a great sense of humor.

His fucking Instagram is the most funny Instagram. He took it down. No. When? I don't know. It's not up anymore, right? The Beast UFC? Check. I hope they put it back. Zoc, come on, buddy. Maybe it's back up. I don't know. Put it back up. So he'll have people just getting hit by trucks and shit.

He's like, he's okay. Yeah. But they said you can't, he got a strike or something for that shit. Well, he's, oh, he's wild. They put up everything. Yeah. Gun shots, animal attacks. It's like the Derek Lewis Instagram was one of my first places I go to in the morning.

Different dudes. While I'm taking a shit. I'm like, what does Derek find? It's almost like you have to be, to be a fighter. Oh, it's still up. Athletes and fighters. It's still's still up. Athletes and fighters. It's still up. Okay.

Athletes and fighters. Oh, watch this guy. Yeah, that's crazy. Boom, that is not good. That guy's paralyzed. Those fucking dudes, man, nobody beats their body up more than pro wrestlers. You think MMA fighters beat their body up? Every pro wrestler that I talk to that's been in here.

Ric Flair. Yeah, Kurt Angle. Yeah. Gold medalist in the Olympics said, I got more injuries by far doing pro wrestling than I did wrestling. For sure. Broke his neck. For sure. Broke his neck.

I think he had a broken neck when he was in the Olympics, bro. Oh, really? Yeah, I think that's what the legend of Kurt Angle did. He won the Olympics with a broken neck. God. A gold medal. I don't think there's anything harder. No.

There's no harder men no yeah look at this the Olympic trials he suffered a severe neck injury fracturing two of his cervical vertebrae

herniating two discs and pulling four muscles nonetheless Angle won the trials and then spent the subsequent five months resting in rehabilitation are you kidding me

dude think about that 96 Olympic trials suffers a fucking severe neck injury. Look at his neck. And then went on to win the Olympics. Yeah. I mean, his neck is fucking insane.

Imagine something can break that neck. Yeah. Look at the size of that. That's a waste. Yeah. His neck is a waste. It's so big. You know, the more you work out, though, how are your injuries?

How do you feel? Like, what is... I always have something wrong. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing you can do about that. But the way you work out now, like I work out, I still work out with Lou Parada, the greatest, one of my favorite people on the planet, 66-year-old guy, a strong man, been

working out his whole life. We work out maybe 20, 25 minutes. It's a motherfucker. It's a motherfucker. But the way he confuses my nervous system and stuff like that, like I always feel good and energized. I mean, some days will be strength. Other days will be like what he calls hygiene, but hygiene. Yeah. Like, like we'll do, it'll always be something like I'll, I'll, it'll always be something like, um, a full body movement.

Right. So, uh, whether it's weighted, uh, lunges or, um, you know, pull-ups, or pull-ups, I'll deadlift and stuff like that. But a lot of times it's not heavy weight. It's not a heavy day. It's just me going low, stretching it out, pulling it up. And I always feel more flexible and strong. I never feel injured. I can do anything. I was in Jordan, and this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever done.

But I was like, I'm done with this. I'm done with being on a fucking tour. And there was this Bedouin guy with a, with an Arabian horse. I was in Petra and I, I don't know what got into me, man. I just was like, uh, how much for you just to take me on that horse? I want to get on the horse and I want to just ride. Now I haven't ridden in 20 fucking years and i almost died because i had no business being you know how when you you know in the movies where you get on the horse and my sister's like what are you doing and i'm trying

to turn it and the horse is doing this and it just takes off it was that it's like that comedic so you were controlling the horse no the horse was riding me okay but it was just you and the horse not the guy and you. No, but the guy's behind me, and we're galloping and stuff like that. And I just didn't have the balance. I hadn't ridden in too long. I just didn't have the balance. I'm on a fucking horse.

I don't know. And your estrogen's high. And my estrogen. No, dude. I'd stopped doing- You were weeping. No, bro. I stopped doing my Propecia, bro.

You were weeping when you saw the horse. I was dead behind the eyes. Okay. And I was sore for a week after that because I was trying not to die because we rode for about an hour. But the point I'm making is that I can do things like that and I never, I'm okay without injuring myself. I can kind of do whatever it is, whether it's sand volleyball, whether it's fucking tennis,

whether it's box. I got it. I was in Philly and I got in the, I was with J Rock Williams and I, I, Julian Jay Rock Williams. And I went to this awesome gym and I did, I boxed for a while. That was really fun. My, my boy coach Anthony was holding mitts. You know, you can really push yourself and I'm okay. I'm okay. Like, I think if you train a certain way, you're not going to be injured. Right. And as you get older, I just, I don't want my body to be in the way. Yeah. Weightlifting is very important as you get older, I don't want my body to be in the way. Yeah. Weightlifting is very important as you get older.

Yes. It's very important to keep your muscle mass, keep your strength. Yes. It's everything. There's a direct correlation between longevity and muscle mass. And there's also from preventing injuries, from a preventing injury standpoint, just being more resilient if you fall, things along those lines. You really want to be strong.

And it's not even just for a vanity thing. It's just, you want to be strong because it's more valuable than being weak. There's no value in being weak. But do you lift heavy weights all the time? The heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds. Okay. There you go. That's the same thing. I do these kettlebell routines where they're really brutal and I do them with long breaks in between them. I do that Pavel Tatsulin method. So what I do them with long breaks in between them. I do that Pavel Tatsulin method. So what I do is it depends on the day. Like some days I'll do a body weight routine,

which is much more cardiovascular intense. But when I do the kettlebell routine, I warm up with 35s and then I do a couple of sets with 50s where I just, I'm just basically, you know, doing like 10 reps, getting things going, and then I switch to 70s. And the 70s is when I'm doing my heavy shit. That's when I'm doing like gorilla cleans where you're like switching arms. That's when I'm doing clean press and squats. That's when I'm doing windmills. That's when I'm doing –

And 70 pounds is not that heavy for you. No. It's manageable. Right. It's totally manageable. But that's as high as you go, and that's important. But if I'm having. And 70 pounds is not that heavy for you. No. It's manageable. It's totally manageable. But that's as high as you go. And that's important. But if I'm having two, it's 140 pounds.

That's a lot of weight. Right? But the most important thing is that everything's working. My core is working. My back is working. My legs are working. And I'm conditioning my body to be able to manipulate awkward weights and do it like with windmills and stuff like that. So that's what I tried to do. That's like my overall strengthening routine. I just want to

keep my body where it works really good. And then I max that in on the body weight days. It's pushups, body weight squats, chin ups, dips, pull ups. And so then I do this. That's what he does with me that's exactly his philosophy he's like i'm not having you lift weight heavy weights i'll flip a tire and stuff but he's like i you are you are at an age where your tendons and your joints you are going to get injured if you keep if you try to do that crossfit stuff where you're lifting heavy weight all the max it's gonna something's gonna pop it just is you're gonna be tired that day something's gonna be off you're not gonna be focused enough boom and i don't do anything to failure. Something's going to pop. It just is. You're going to be tired that day. Something's going to be off. You're not going to be focused enough.

Boom. And I don't do anything to failure. Yeah. And that's also what I learned from Pavel Tatsalin. He's like, if you can do like 10 reps to failure, do five. Really? Yeah. And then wait a long time.

And then do another five. Why? Because you're getting the same amount of work in. But you're not breaking down your tissue in the same way. And he thinks it'll help you recover quicker and it'll condition your body to be able to do this more often. Yeah, Lou calls it stimulate, don't annihilate. Right? So he always, you know, you're talking about a guy.

What I love about working out with a guy like this guy is he's been at it for, he's 66. He's trained everybody, you know, and he's done it all. He was a bodybuilder, a powerlifter, and he just has seen people come and go. He's seen all the injuries. Like Dorian Yates. Yes. Guys like that, they just know. They just know a lot.

They've seen what an overabundance of steroids do. They've seen what this does. They've seen what that does. So it's all about, you know, it's body maintenance. It's body maintenance. Longevity. Stimulate, stimulate, stimulate. Yeah, we figured out a lot of stuff so far on this podcast, guys.

Yeah, you just got to be careful not to hurt yourself. And whenever I see guys doing, like, heavy benching and stuff, I'm like, yikes, buddy. Well, jujitsu too, right? That's a good way to go. Yeah, but you can do jujitsu with good partners. Yeah. And, you know, you guys can both.

Drill. You go, like, level seven or level eight. You know, you're not fucking spazzing out. You still rolling? Yeah. You are? I haven't in a while, but I'm doing it again. I was just waiting for my knee to get better.

Have you ever rolled with Mr. Ryan? No, I have not. That seems like it would be not much fun. Yeah. He's much bigger than I ever thought. Yeah, I was rolling with gabe tuttle who's uh the head instructor at 10th planet we did it for a while then i fucked my knee up and i realized like i keep fucking it up because i stopped kicking i haven't kicked a bag in forever

and i got a bunch of stem cell injections and i did all those knees over toes things yeah and i was just concerned with this is this seems like it's continuing to deteriorate and i think like if i continue with the same activities it's going to continue to deteriorate to a point where i can't fix it you know and i'm like okay i know how this goes i've seen other people do it i'm gonna do a very hard thing which is hit the brakes on something i fucking love to do yeah i love martial arts training it's the most fun but i realized like i really can't do that right now. I could still punch the bag, but I'm like for a long time. So like for like a

fucking year, I barely kicked the bag. Like I would every now and then walk up to and tap it a little bit, but now it finally doesn't hurt anymore. And after all the stem cell treatments and all the strength and conditioning routines that I put it through. Now it just occasionally gets sore, but it's nothing like what it used to be. What's the issue? Oh, I have two reconstructed knees. And the left one, I had some meniscus removed. And recently, like about two years ago, I suffered an MCL tear. And I didn't know it was an MCL tear.

I thought it was just, you know, just tweaked or whatever. And then finally I got it looked at. And, uh, so I got a bunch of stem cells on that and that's when I stopped kicking. And I went and just did like very regularly did the knee over toe stuff, the pulling the sleds backwards, the step down. It's funny about you talking this way. It's like, as you get older, you get more delicate, you calcify and you got to warm up better and you just get you know how i hurt my knee how i know exactly how how you were kicking no i thought you were trying to do that death no that wasn't my other knee with joe schilling yeah that was my other that knee's fine now yeah i tore my meniscus i'm watching you do that going

a fucking if i had been there i've been like it's like shop trying to race uh um fucking uh chapelle uh in a race without warming up. I go, you're going to fucking— Yeah, you're going to blow your hamstring. He blew both of them. Yeah, I had jeans on, and I was 53 with no warm-up. And Joe Schilling challenged me to a kicking contest. I'm like, okay.

I saw it. Yep. Kicking hard. You kicked too hard. Yeah, so I did tweak my knee in that. But that was fairly minor. That was just annoying. But I got a bunch of stem cells and fixed kicked too hard. Yeah. So I did tweak my knee in that. But that was fairly minor. That was just annoying. But I got a bunch of stem cells and fixed that too.

Right. That doesn't bother me at all. My right knee doesn't bother me at all anymore. But my left knee, there is a piece of meniscus missing. So this is what happened. I was walking on stage at Stubbs. I was doing these shows with Chappelle. And this was during the pandemic.

So we're backstage and everyone's barbecued. And I'm walking. And the stairs at Stub stubs with these concrete stairs and they kind of curve and i'm i'm going to turn my recorder on on my phone and i stub my toe on one of the steps and twist my knee sideways bad like in fucking pain before they're bringing me up no so they bring me up on stage and my knee is killing me and my leg is shaking like i'm nervous like my left leg is shaking you're in front of i don't know how many thousand twelve thousand people no no no it wasn't that many people it was like 500 or something like that 600 people but it was actually worse because they can see your knee well they definitely could see my knee was shaking but the set went great yeah it's like no one could tell by the material i did the material right way and it was everybody was so

enthusiastic we were having so much fun but i fucked it up so bad doing that and then i started training muay thai right away i didn't stop i just like i shot some bpc 157 into it i waited a few days started feeling better i'm like i'll just wear some knee sleeves and train. So I went I started doing it. Good idea. Pro science. Well, I was doing it. Shoot the shit in my knee. Muay Thai in the mornings. I fucking loved it. I do Muay Thai and then come here straight from there. Just crack pads and have

a good time. But it just wouldn't get better. It wouldn't get. It's also the same knee I fucked up skiing. I wiped out skiing. I got a concussion and I suffered what's called. You did? You wiped out skiing i got a concussion and i suffered what's called you did you wiped out skiing yeah yeah and i got something that's called an insufficiency fracture it's when your knees smash together because you don't have uh meniscus there and it cracked the top of my shin ah fuck dude yeah it was very annoying that was my last skiing because like i was going around

this corner and this lady was new she didn't know what to do and she's just like sliding in the middle of the trail she just couldn't stop herself and it was either take her out or fall and i fell hard i banged the back of my head off the ground yeah and then the rest of the day i was just like i got hit by a snowboarder a young lady oh she knocked me just i got just wiped and all she did was look back and kiss me and i saw her down in the line and i uh put my head down you didn't say anything no i was embarrassed i was like i'm an old man nice she was like a really good young girl and i was like she was hot you got nervous i know she was too young she was like a fucking probably she just looked at you like an old man 18. Yeah, I'm an old man. Exactly.

I'm like, I shouldn't be on there myself. Yeah, but she just plowed into you and Gwyneth Paltrowed you. I deserved it, bro. Gwyneth Paltrow won that case, right? That guy seemed like he was full of shit. Yeah, he's fucking, yes. He's completely full of shit. I watched that.

That seemed a little opportunistic. Yeah, dude. Also- Weren't they saying that he hit her, though? Yes. Yes. It was embarrassing. He had all these ideas and what happened to him.

He couldn't go to dinner. Oh, so he just thought he was getting paid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't that wild? Even if Gwyneth Paltrow really hurt me, I wouldn't sue her. Isn't that funny that people would do that where they just wanted to go away? Shortcut. Yeah.

You're a shortcut taker. Yeah, you know, I don't think I'm going to be okay. And my lawyer is saying that really we need to do something about this. Go ahead. Yeah, okay. You go ahead and do that.

People who do that, I love the greatest quote I ever heard Jordan Peterson say was in my 35 years of analysis, I've never seen anyone get away with anything ever even once. i fucking love that amen get that tattooed you're fucking he said you can twist the fabric of reality for a while

but you ain't getting the piper must be paid and the truth will get you so you can go ahead and do all those things you can fuck people over you can lie you can do that but well i'll see you i'll see you over there i'll be at the bottom of the river while the bodies float by you just that's a great quote isn't it that's sam tripoli one of my favorite people on the planet well who is that sun tzu uh i don't know but sam tripoli is the one who says you just gotta wait at the mouth of the river and let all the bodies float by yeah live long enough to see the the bodies of your enemy drift by you in the river or something like that.

Something like that. What is the exact, I think, I believe it's the art of war. I like that. I like Confucius's notion on revenge. Before you seek revenge, remember to dig two graves. Yeah. It's great. That's great.

Those wise things. That's actually a really interesting idea. Especially back to when there's no doctors. Well, yeah. Yeah. That's always, when you, when they would leech you.

Here it is. It's Sun Tzu. Yeah, Art of War. If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by. Damn.

Damn, dude. I like that. Yeah. I think about that when I watch CNN. You won that one, buddy. You won that one. The bodies of your enemies. You won that one buddy you won that is your enemies you won that one it's um it's an amazing thing how as you grow older and you have more life experiences your perspective kind of like tightens and moves and you as you get older and as you see the world with more and more

experience you get a better and clearer picture and it makes you wonder what how limited were humans when they only lived to be like 30 like how much did people really have a chance to expand i don't know i don't know because a lot of great things you know were discovered or created probably then too for sure you know you know i think when there's a when when you're very aware of I don't know, because a lot of great things were discovered or created probably then, too. For sure. You know, I think when you're very aware of how finite your life is, and when you're very aware that you are a victim to forces that are so much stronger than yourself, whether it's disease, first of all, losing a child. Right. I mean, that was a reality, a common... It's like 50%.

Lincoln lost, I think, four of his children. Mary Todd ended up in a mentalist institution because she lost four of her children to diseases. They don't even know what they were. A fever, probably diphtheria or whatever it was. They would just roll through towns and it didn't matter who... Poor hygiene, no nutrition. All that.

You just... Yeah, people just died. They didn't know what it was. The people, no nutrition. All that. You just, yeah. People just died. They didn't know what it was. That people would die of, what is it called? Malagra or whatever. Consumption. Oh yeah.

I mean, that was everybody. Yeah. But I think that sometimes when you're aware that there is a clock and that clock might ding at any moment. Yeah. You know, in Japan, when you get sentenced to death,

they don't tell you what the date is. Ooh. You just sit in your cell and they show up when it's your turn. It's an interesting idea because, you know, there's something about focusing your mind when you when you this might be your last day and it might be for everyone. things have a different gravity to them. And I think that that's where you get, you know, amazing. I don't know if I'm right about this, but I do think that there, there,

there is something to be said about, um, having very limited time, even living with pain. Yes. You'll create some shit. You'll create some shit. Also, that was the only reality available.

There was no notion of, you know, I just need to get back to civilization. There was no, I need to get to the city and everything's going to be back to normal again. I'll go to New York and ride the subway. Correct. This doesn't exist. Yeah, you didn't have the protection. The only reality that exists is this unbelievably difficult world of murder and violence. Yeah, but it does something else too.

I got to pee. You do? Yeah, let's come back. You do? I do, I do. Yeah. We'll come back. We'll come back. something else, too. I gotta pee. You do? Yeah, let's go back. You do? I do, I do. Yeah. We'll come back. We'll come back.

I gotta pee. I'll secure your hips. Oh, don't do it. I have a thought on that. On pee? No, on what you're talking about. What was I talking about? Just about how we can die.

Yeah. Thank you. Takk for ating med. Thank you. It was just so awkward and he just kept getting drunker. Oh, boy. And he's a failed comic, right? They get nervous around you, I think, and they don't impress you. I'm sorry about that. Whatever. That's not my fault, bitch. Figure it out.

Figure it out. But it was like these non-comics around us and they were like asking us on how he comes up with jokes oh you got trapped son trapped teeny teeny but here's my thought on what you were saying on here's my thought on on the idea of like when life was kind of brutish and short and all that. Yeah. I think it's actually, in a way, it's not an accident that some of the greatest literature was written, like Dostoevsky, who was living in that rudimentary world, and you have these great works of art. I think part of it is what happens is if you are basically, you don't know when you're going to die because the universe is that much of a mystery. I don't know when a disease is coming.

I don't know when invaders are coming and they're going to enslave me. I don't know, and all that stuff. There's something about creating art under those circumstances. Your mindset, you are already humbled. It is not about you. It'd be really weird to build a huge chapel and then put your name on it. You didn't see great architecture,

great buildings that were built, and then the architect was heralded. Have you never been at Trump Tower, bitch? That's very different, my friend. That's very different. Giant gold Trump. Yes. You wouldn't see that as much. You see kings that did that.

But the artist didn't do that. Trump. You know, apparently he doesn't own a lot of those buildings. Shut the fuck up. What are you, a communist? I'm just saying, he leases, he puts his name on there, which is great. He's so entertaining. He's hilarious. But we're never gonna have...

You see what he tweeted? Or truth-socialed, rather? No. And he was like celebrating the indictment. He's so entertaining. He's hilarious. But we're never going to have. You see what he tweeted or truth socialed rather? No. And he was like celebrating the indictment. He's like one more indictment and then I'm a shoe in for the White House. I know. That's three indictments, dude. He's got Teflon. Well.

If he wins this though. Yeah. If he wins this case. Well, if he wins this case. The only case. I don't think he can pardon himself. No, the only case he's going to have real trouble with. I think the other, the Bragg, Alvin Bragg case in, I think it's New York, is a bullshit case where it's this obscure thing.

You got these prosecutors that are looking, they're being very, very creative with the law, right? Typically with laws, it's called meat and potatoes laws. You're supposed to, when somebody breaks a law and there's a law that's passed it's supposed to be something that somebody who doesn't have a law degree can understand and like if you look at jack smith who's the prosecutor in this in this uh january 6th thing the what he's being charged with i think is a form of fraud defrauding the American voter, which is saying, I won the election when he knows he lost, but he never ever admitted that he lost. They can't find anybody who said that. So there's all this gray area. But the one issue he's going to have is the mishandling of classified documents, because they have him on tape saying, I know this is classified. And then I think he has a guy, they have him talking to one of his staff

saying, get rid of this. That's going to be a tough one for him. But I think the other two- What are the punishments of mishandling classified documents? There are people right now who are in jail for doing that. They're right now. And in fact, some of them I think worked for his campaign. What is the difference between the accusations against Joe Biden, where he was mishandling documents and the accusations against Trump? So anytime a president is, presidents are allowed to have documents in their possession when they're working on their memoirs, et cetera. Now, the Justice Department and the affiliated agencies, as far as I understand it, then look at what you have. And then they send you a notice and say, by the way, you have these documents that are in

your possession. X, Y, and Z are classified. You have to return them. They give you a grace period in which to return those documents. So with Biden and with a lot of other presidents, that's what happens. They say you're in possession of classified documents. You have this window to return them and then you return them and Biden did. With Trump, he didn't. There are a number of things that he just didn't return. But I thought Biden had classified documents that his aides found. Yeah, he did.

They all do. They all do. But wasn't that from 2014 from when he was vice president? Yes, but the issue is not that he had those classified documents. That he didn't turn them over when they were requested. Yes. I see. And there's a fundamental difference there.

Now, if you then are, I think he said, I could have declassified this, but I didn't. Something like that. When Trump said that, because by that point he was a private American citizen. And that's where the problem lies. How these recordings, how were they obtained i think they're all a matter of of record i think that in discovery well how did someone record him i think his lawyers had to uh well a lot of what he a lot of what a president does when you're doing your your memoirs and stuff i think is they they record you so you're recording a lot of things you're

saying and things like that i think that he was having a conversation with someone where he was showing them the doc. Yes that was recorded That was recorded somehow. Yeah, they somehow they they have them on tape saying that so was it surreptitiously recorded I don't know and I didn't get that from what I followed I didn't I think that was just something that you know was happened to be part of the body of evidence and discovery what I heard Is an argument against that was that he was being braggadocious. They're going to use whatever they can. Yeah. And there's a chance he might get off on all of these things.

But, and there's no doubt that these indictments have made him stronger with his base. The real question is, see, this is all, you're never going to get people who say, well, Biden is really old and we don't have an answer. Don't complain. If you're not going to vote in primaries, we're always going to have the candidates that the most extreme elements of each party nominates. If you want DeSantis or you want someone else, you better vote in the primary. If you don't vote in the primary and nobody does, including me, so I'm not, you know, scolding anybody, you ain't getting, you're, and nobody does, including me, so I'm not, you know, scolding anybody,

you're getting the people that the diehard Republicans, diehard Democrats, and the most active members of that party are going to nominate. That's fact. Yeah. You want to change the political system? Fucking vote in the primaries. Andrew Yang, whoever you like, all these guys, that's all great. That's all adorable.

And the real political operatives just look at you and go, that's cute. We'll see it. What a wild system. Yeah. Vote in the primary. A wild two-party system. Yes. Now the only thing that, like if DeSantis crushes in, first of all, I think he should go back to being governor for four more years, but if he wins, like the first

two states, like New Hampshire and Iowa, and gets a lot of press for that. There's a chance that there can be some, you know, but I don't, I don't think so. Otherwise, I think the Trumpers are all in the audio recording comes from a July 2021

interview. Trump gave it as Bedminster resort for people working on the memoir of Mark Meadows, Trump's former chief of staff, special counselors indictment alleges that those in attendance, a writer, publisher, and two of Trump's staff members were shown classified information about the plan of attack on Iran. Yeah. Wow.

Wow. But here's what bothers me a little bit about all this. Hold on a second. Let me see what Trump says here. He says there was no document. That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. Trump said on Fox and it may have been held up or may not. But that was not a document. I didn't have a document per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles. Classify these were newspaper stories magazine stories and articles Okay, well if that's true That's a completely different thing then that sounds like they're saying

That he showed them classified documents, and he's saying I showed them a massive amount of papers, and I didn't show them anything Specifically it's saying that there was nothing to this class of there was nothing to declassify. If he's telling the truth, these were newspaper stories, magazines, stories, and articles. If that's true. You're going to have to, his lawyers are going to argue all that? Yeah. This is political as much as it is legal? Well, that's what scares me. Yeah. That people are behind this idea that you're going to arrest your political rival.

That's the biggest. That seems. Not only that, but you have prosecutors that are getting real creative with the law. And I don't think we want a system like that. That's the biggest. Not only that, but you have prosecutors that are getting real creative with the law. And I don't think we want a system like that. And I don't think we want every time somebody runs for office because now the Bidens are in trouble. I mean, Hunter Biden's in real trouble here. Yeah. And there is this guy, Devin Archer, said that Biden was on the phone on behalf of his son 20 times. And that's that was Devin Archer, who's also going to jail. Now, that was Hunter Biden's business partner. And he said he personally witnessed that. And he said that under sworn testimony. There is enough evidence to at least investigate the idea that maybe Biden took a $5

million bribe, whatever the case. But my point about this is the mainstream media, legacy media, gives that almost no attention. And all you have, I think that the legacy of Donald Trump will be, in some ways, the other side was so hysterical about him being a clear and present danger to the United States. And I'm talking about Republicans. I'm talking about the deep state. I'm talking about Democrats. I'm talking about a lot of people that they have behaved in an undemocratic, un-American way. They have bent a lot of rules and they're bringing these indictments, three of which now, I think, or four in a period of six months. I don't think we want a system like that. I don't think you want people running for office and then somebody who's on the other side of the aisle gets real creative with their prosecutorial, you know, with bending the law, figuring out the gray areas of the law. And now you're spending all your money on legal fees. Especially when there's been no answer to what they did with the Russia collusion hoax.

You mean Adam Schiff, who's still taken seriously? They promoted that. They promoted that in mainstream media. They promoted that politicians promoted it. They called him a Russian asset. Listen, Adam Schiff, he was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Is that what it is? Adam Schiff knew. He never saw any evidence,

any evidence that Trump was in collusion with the Russians or that the Russians were interfering in American elections or that whatever. And or that there may have been evidence of that, but there was no evidence that Russia and Trump were in collusion. And he kept saying it he kept saying it on every news uh outlet he could that's a fact and he knew otherwise and no one's held him to task for that that that was that was a that that was a lie to the american people it just was and that's that's what i have a problem with and there's been no acknowledgement like in mainstream media that that was a hoax and that he was innocent of what they were accusing him of none none that is so wild and they go from that to new accusations so for the casual for the person that's not doing a deep dive in all these stories and reading all

these articles what you're getting is the narrative that you see in headlines trump indicted again trump's a criminal trump trump did this trump you Trump incited people to enter the Capitol on January 6th because he said the election was rigged. And all this trouble that Biden is in now and his son is in was all on Hunter Biden's laptop. And we were told that there was nothing to see there. Was it 51 members of intelligence that you signed off on that?

It was Russian disinformation. There you go. So what does that do about that? My problem with all of this is that it just destroys credibility. It destroys people's faith in the institutions. Which you said earlier is perfect. It's un-American. It really is.

I know you're doing it because you think you want to beat this guy by any means necessary, but you're becoming a tyrant. You're setting up a system that's going to be used against you too. A hundred percent. And it's also setting a precedent of things that we allow. Yeah. And no one seems to care because it's Trump. Because it's Trump, he's like a non-human to them.

Like all the rules of empathy and dignity and the most charitable view of things never apply. That's right. It's like the worst examples of anything that he's ever said or anything he's ever done. And that's all he is. Well, you know, I, it's, it's, you know, and if you say, even if you say that you're a Trump apologist, but like the, you got to look at what is going on. There's, there's, there's a massive movement to keep this guy from being president again. And some of it you don't want to see happening in a democratic society.

No. My worry is that, you know, I really do think legacy media, a lot of these people come from the same colleges, the same area codes. They do see the world differently than most of us who are out there trying to build a life. Isn't that wild?

It is wild. That they somehow or another are supposedly representing the frequency of the country, but they're so off. And they think they're superior because they're very educated. Yeah. And because they're indoctrinated into this progressive ideology. just, you know, not just exist and do your thing, but to change the world and mold it into these ideas that you were indoctrinated with in school. Yeah. And there becomes this lateral cooperation with the powers that be.

And so they can very easily highlight one story and suppress another or just not report on another. And when you walk into a newsroom and you're somebody who's looking to speak truth to power and be part of the way the fourth estate should really work, which used to be that journalists were all blue collar guys and gals who hit the pavement. Now you've got people that agree with the idea, for example, that, you know, maybe people who are in power with this education know a little bit more than the people that are actually out in the flyby states, you know. That great, I can't remember who said it, might have been William F. Buckley who said, you have to understand that

would you rather be ruled by the Harvard faculty or the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book? If you believe in democracy, you've got to say the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book. It sounds very enticing to get the Harvard faculty. They're smart as shit. They know what's best for all of us. Let the philosopher kings run it. But that's not how our grand experiment works.

And I think this is the greatest country in the world because it always pushes the ideal and the idea that the individual should always supersede the collective, that the collective will always become a tyranny. And you as an individual have certain inalienable rights that can't be taken away from you, no matter which way the wind blows, and no matter how strong the collective is. That's such an important distinction. It is the fundamental distinction between being somebody who's for free markets and democracy and somebody who's a socialist. That's why I think socialism is way more dangerous. All these young people have a favorable view of socialism. No, no, no, I'm sorry. Now you

have a top-down authority that believes in orchestrating and socially engineering equality at all costs, which means we got to keep the people that are really excelling, you got to keep them down a little bit. That's why you have Congress people saying things like, in California, fuck Elon Musk. They say stuff like that to a guy who creates that many jobs and is that innovative and that much of a risk taker. And that's what I worry about. I worry that human beings naturally, we have an inclination towards competition. And we think about things, not just for the greater good of the country, but when you're locked into a party war, you know, it's the Democratic Party versus the Republican Party.

This is a sports game. And whatever dirty tricks you can use by deflating balls or fucking spiking people's Kool-Aid, whatever the fuck you can do to get people to lose or to win, there's going to be certain elements of your party that are willing to do that. There's going to be... The problem is when it becomes the intelligence agencies. The problem is when they're colluding. They're working in conjunction.

And then also they're contacting social media companies. I think that some of it is the stuff you've talked about, which is this is new territory. It's really hard to deal with the amount of misinformation and malinformation and disinformation you don't know where it's coming from how much of it's coming from us well do you think there's any american misinformation troll farms yes do you think the government funds them yes jesus i mean it would make sense i don't think it's done with like, I don't think conspiracy is like, I think that there are programs and ideas that might be, you know, you might set up a propaganda ministry quietly to combat something else. Yeah.

We did that with ISIS. They were very good with their recruiting and stuff like that. So we said, let's figure out a way to deal with that. That would be the best case scenario. They do it to combat ISIS. This is new for people. This is new. You've got to, you know, there's all this blowback.

You come up with a plan. This is hard stuff. There's no group of people who are so smart and they're planning all this shit. Good luck. Too many moving parts in life. No, I don't think that. But I do think that the people who are in control, whether it be the government, which can contact Facebook,

or whether it be the intelligence communities that say that the Hunter Biden laptop's bullshit when they know it's not. When you have situations where people have that kind of power and control over people, and it's through this digital realm that didn't exist before. So all the rules that you would apply to the first amendment outside of that, they get, everything gets real slippery. Like this is a private corporation

and we can, we can, you know, this is malinformation and misinformation. Malinformation is the craziest one, which is true information that may be detrimental. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. What is the actual definition of malinformation? But it's things that may be true. Like, they can deem something that is true malinformation. So you can have misinformation that's not true.

Let me ask you a question. Here it is. Malinformation is truth used to inflict harm on a person, organization, or country. So fishing and catfishing. Okay. Well, that's, yeah, but also just that term. Yeah. Truth that could be used to inflict harm?

Yeah. Well, mal in French means bad. But how open to interpretation is that? I don't know. Doxing, swatting, and revenge porn. But how open-ended is that? What if you expose something in the federal government? Like, say, what if you're Julian Assange and you expose that collateral murder video or you release those documents, the WikiLeaks documents?

Well, let me ask you something. I mean, maybe you and I and everybody else are being paranoid. So in other words, here's my question. Well, maybe it's not even a question, but, you know, you and I and a lot of us complain about these things. We worry about the fact that there's a lot of disinformation, that the government's controlling this and that, you know, big tech is this, that, and the other thing. But sometimes I wonder if I'm just being paranoid.

And sometimes I wonder if I'm in an echo chamber. And sometimes I wonder, because look, man, I'm on the Joe Rogan experience. I don't know how many people listen to this. I can say whatever the fuck I want, and people listen. And that could be british welders that could be i was in i was in uh israel and an ethiopian guy said to me as he's helping me with my bag in the airport in israel he goes do you come from joe rogan and i was like i do come from

him i come from his rib i'm glad you asked yes i come from his fucking rib that's in that's in you know and i can i can on youtube i can find i can confirm my bias all day long i can find politicians and thinkers who believe everything i i believe in and so sometimes i wonder man and look as far as hunter biden they try to get away with a lot of stuff that laptop they try to do all kinds of stuff and all we're talking about now is all the shit on that laptop and it's all been exposed and i promise you i promise you hunter biden and joe biden i promise you are thinking about this all the time because they're realizing it's a shit storm that's just beginning mark my words so all of us are complaining the legacy media doesn't cover this and stuff like that yeah but guess what the justice department's going to do their job

yes i'm just saying i'm just however it's very disappointing that legacy media doesn't cover it and the reason they don't cover it because they think it's going to empower the narrative that donald trump is a superior president yeah if they their narrative was always that Donald Trump is corrupt, then also there's real clear evidence that Hunter Biden and Joe Biden got how many millions of dollars? Yeah. Like... 11 million.

He made $11 million. He's, you know, he has his law degree. Now, hold on for a sec. He worked for Burisma, which was... And I think he had some affiliations with some Chinese energy companies. And, of course, Hunter Biden, which was, and I think he had some affiliations with some Chinese energy companies. And, of course, Hunter Biden, who studied, he paints and he has a law degree. But Burisma, I guess, paid him $11 million, $11 million over a period of, I think, I don't know what it was,

four or five years, and maybe even less. And, you know, because they needed his expertise on energy and on natural gas, apparently. Makes sense. Yeah! Nicolas Cage should play him in a movie. That'd be fucking... That's such a good call.

That's such a good call. That's such a good call. That should be the next Tarantino movie. Driving 170 miles an hour. Woo! Smoking crack. Getting a foot job. I mean, by the way, he'd be kind of fun to hang with.

Oh, my God, he'd be fun to hang with. I mean, he's the dark side. Yeah. That dude went hard. Oh, yeah. No matter what you say. And I have sympathy for an addict. I mean, he was an addict.

Yes, he was an addict. And, you know, his dad's the fucking president. His brother's dead. Like, there's so much trauma. His sister, his mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah that's right i mean he went through some shit so it's not surprising that he had he had to wrestle with some stuff and hopefully now he's sober and well you know we all know addicts and that the there's something about the particular like i know one that i haven't seen him in forever but he always had a coke problem. And he was a really talented, really funny guy.

But he would go hard. Hard, dude. Hard. Vanish for days. See you in three days. Vanish. Just vanish. Come back, look like wet cardboard.

He looked so bad. He looked so dead. Well, how about that cocaine that they found in the White House and apparently they couldn't trace it back. In the most secure building in the world, in the most secure building in the world, by the way, because there are no cameras anywhere, they couldn't figure it out.

And the press stopped asking questions. You know what's a crazy coincidence? Hunter Biden was there that weekend. Stop it. He was there. And they tried to say he wasn't. The White House press secretary said that he'd left. But he left on Friday. It's adorable. He was there on Friday. It's he wasn't the white house press secretary said that he'd left but he left on friday it's adorable he was there on friday it's adorable they made it go away

and nobody asked any more questions that white house press secretary if she was pinocchio i think you can say that with any any white house but that poor lady she has to lie every day that is her job i feel for her so do i and she tries to do the political things. I know. With the hands. I feel bad for her. And we don't talk about personal affairs. She's just the messenger and people hate her. It's a terrible job. I know.

Everybody hates her. I bet she's a nice lady. I guarantee it. My favorite is Kaylee McEnany though. She was the best. She was. The best. She's the goat.

I know. She's the goat. She came with receipts. There are alternative facts. She's always prepared. Yeah. She always knew exactly what the actual facts were and how they were wrong. She just shut them down right in front of their face.

Amazing. Big smile on her face. Yeah. She's the best. She's an assassin. An assassin. The greatest one of those ever. But I feel like that's a gig you can only do for like nine months or you lose your fucking

mind. You start dying. Yeah. Like they all stop doing it after a while. Yeah. Write a book. Go write a book. Just be like, hey, by the way, I was fucking, I was bullshitting. Yeah. After a while yeah write a book go write a book just be like hey by the way i was fucking i was bullshitting yeah after a while that's how i feel

about chris cuomo i know chris chris is you know people make fun of chris is a dude and i i will guarantee in his mind like he had he got a good gig it was great but in his mind he's like thank god i don't have to do that shit anymore yeah fuck yeah if we know him what do you know i've known him i knew him in new york he's real good friends with patty patrick bet david likes him oh i love that he's a really nice no no he's he's a he's a trust me on this chris cuomo is a is a real dude and he's one of us and you'd fucking love him so you just got trapped doing that stupid show yes he got trapped talk to him have him on the podcast great sense of humor very self-deprecating doesn't think he just got trapped doing that stupid show? Yes, he got trapped. Talk to him. Have him on the podcast.

Great sense of humor. Very self-deprecating. Doesn't think he's cool. What are you, his agent? No, I just like him. I haven't talked to him in a long, long time, but I like Chris. How come you don't talk to him if you like him? I keep in touch through Patty.

I told you I ran into Patty on an elevator? No. Oh, yes, you told me. In New York City. I just had dinner with her. Complete dumb luck. I love her. I'm going to play pool.

And Patty walks into the elevator and we just make eye contact. Ah! We're talking about Patty Jenkins who directed Wonder Woman 1, 2, Monster. She's a killer. Monster's a masterpiece. Oh.

Monster is such a masterpiece. I know. It's so good. She's one of my favorite people, man. Charlize Theron. We wanna talk about going hard. It's my favorite performance ofize Theron You want to talk about going hard my favorite performance of all that lady went hard my favorite performance All I could think about was how crazy must she be? I think she could pull this monster out of her I've hung out with her a couple times

Monster out of her very normal, but she had a she had a hell of a life childhood. You know about that, right? Okay, I think it's public well let's not yeah take a chance she went through some stuff god damn that performance is insane and to be that hot and make yourself that fucking gross oh my god gained weight and all i know man what other female like bombshell actress has ever done that i know because you know christian bale's done that a bunch of times he did it for the Machinist where he got down to nothing. And then he did Dick Cheney where he got real fat. He's incredible. He's incredible. He's

on another level. And Robert De Niro famously did it in Raging Bull. Well that's my second favorite. My first favorite performance is Charlize Theron in Monster. My second favorite performance of any actor is De Niro in Raging Bull. And he was the first actor ever to do that. He gained I think 66 pounds. And he was the first actor ever to do that. He gained, I think,

66 pounds. And he's got a frame like me. He's very thin and not a tall guy and gained 66 pounds. And no one had seen anything like that. No one. And he was shredded. Oh, yeah. When he played LaMotta, he was shredded. Find De Niro from that movie. Do you know how hard you, and this is like pre-steroid days, do you know how hard you have to train to look as good as he looked? Unbelievable. For as long as he looked. And this guy is an actor.

I know. I mean, Robert De Niro was an actor. He was not like a fucking pro boxer who entered into acting. He boxed. He was always in the gym, apparently. He looked fucking great. He looked great in that movie. Had the same mentality. Look at him.

He was just a fucking animal. When that guy would dive into a role, he was a fucking animal. Fuck, he was amazing. He was so good. He was so good. Go back and watch Taxi Driver. Holy shit. Holy shit was he good. Go back and watch taxi driver. Why would I get holy shit? I mean come on Holy shit was he good mean streets taxi driver. What was the Juliette Lewis movie the fucking Oh Awakenings?

No, no, he played Oh fear fear dude. Oh remember how shredded he wasn't that? Oh shit worked out with Lee Haney for that. Did he really yeah Lee find out Robertaney. Find Robert De Niro and Cape Fear doing chin-ups. Remember he was doing chin-ups? That was such a creepy movie. That's a movie you could never make today. No.

You could fucking never make that movie today. Look at him. Yeah. And the hair. Come on, when you were our age, when you were young like that,

remember how we were just like, I want to be an actor. I want to do that shit. I know. Everybody wanted to be De a hero after Cape Fear. He was so good. It was such a creepy role, too. Look at that.

With Stalin in the background. Look at that. That's everyone's fear. You fuck someone over, and they go to jail, and then they get out and kill you. Oh, fuck. Look at that. And then you get out, and they're this guy. He was so good.

He was so good, dude. That, and how about him in Heat? Look at how, that's how you should always look. And he was just a fucking. I want that hair. I want that fucking hair. And how he could capture a role. Like you didn't ever think that was Robert De Niro.

You thought whoever the fuck he was playing in that movie, that's who he was. Look at the way he walks. Yeah. Great fucking. You say you don't want hair. I want that hair. Do you? Yeah, I want thick black hair.

I can comb back just once in my life to see what it's like. No, no, no. I love it. You do that? I want to comb with oil. I want to do this with oil. And I want to fucking comb it hard. You want Patrick Bet David hair.

Yeah, but I want stupid fucking, I want to look like a fucking, like a chimp. I want hard muscles and I want bad tattoos. And a long mane. And I want to smell like bad cologne. Have Jesus saves on your knuckles. Fuck yeah. And I'm going to carry a small pocket Bible. Yeah, and I want to be able to recite verse.

I hate myself. Sorry. You okay? All right. Yeah, I'm good. You went down a weird road there, buddy. Yeah, I get excited about that shit. That brings me back, bro. Sorry. You okay? All right. Yeah, I'm good. You went down a weird road there, buddy. Yeah, I get excited about that shit. That brings me back, bro.

Yeah. It's that kind of acting is such a different, there's like, there's so many like levels of it, like sitcom acting, there's TV show acting. Yeah. And then there's this like,

what the fuck did you just do acting? Yeah, i think that kind of acting like christian bale i think said i don't like that i'm i make i make believe and i wear makeup so i got to do something that makes me feel manly like starve myself or just feel you know is daniel day lewis totally done with acting he's just making shoes now or something no he was a cobbler he apparently took three years to become a fucking cobbler. He wanted to make shoes. Yeah, I think he's still acting.

I think it pulls him back in. Really? I thought he retired. No, like him in Gangs of New York was some crazy shit. About there will be blood. I mean, this is another guy. Yeah. This is another dude who said,

I'm just embarrassed at being a middle class boring Englishman, so I do just crazy shit. a middle-class boring Englishman. So I do just crazy shit. And I wear other people's clothes, say other people's words. And, and that's what I do. And whatever it takes me to get there, I do. And, you know, I'll fucking wear that, that outfit, not take a shower for five days. And it just gets me in character. You can keep all that shit, by the way, you can keep all of it, okay? Acting like salad. Never ate a salad where I didn't want it to be over. Every time I eat a salad, I feel like a fucking coward.

I'm like, I'm eating a salad because apparently it'll keep cancer away. It's the only reason I ever eat any vegetables. I hate all vegetables. And acting, I've never been on a set, I'm sorry to say this out loud, where I didn't want to be off, where I didn't want to be done. Brian Callen trying to get work. I see what you're doing. You're playing that hard to get thing. Yeah, is that what I'm doing? Yeah, that's what you're doing. I'll stick want to be off. Where I didn't want to be done. Brian Callen trying to get work. I see what you're doing. You're playing that hard to get thing.

Yeah, is that what I'm doing? Yeah, that's what you're doing. I'll stick to stand-up, bro. I got enough. There will be blood. Gangs in New York and there will be blood. Two of the all-time greats. God.

I didn't see Lincoln. Look at him in Lincoln. He looks so much like Lincoln. Was that Lincoln movie any good? Well, I did a movie with a guy who was in that. Had a substantial role. Yeah. And I said, what was it like to work with Daniel Day-Lewis?

And he said, well, and I went, uh-huh. And he goes, no, it's just that he wouldn't answer any questions that didn't occur after 1865. He wasn't going to talk to you about today. Today, yeah. It's like at the Renaissance Fair. Yeah fair and someone breaks character and the other lady says what are thou talking about you could only speak to him as literally as Abe Lincoln

and in fact then my buddy came in and said I'm sorry about all that nonsense in Cincinnati and Daniel Day-Lewis was like yes yes well we're going to work on that and that was how it was, dude. You're, you're, he's staying character. You're talking to Abraham Lincoln period. Yeah. There's no craft services like, bro, how you doing? No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, sir. I'm

going to hold that character for three months. Well, you know, I did Joker and I worked with Joaquin Phoenix. Same thing. I was in the, in the room with him for five days. And, you know, when he came, I think, to set, he was 100. When he was walking around, he was 180 pounds or something. And I think Todd Phillips said something like, I think the character should be kind of skinny. Just kind of said it, you know, casually, like, I think. And Joaquin, I think, showed up at 124 pounds. And then they were like, let's just give you a – this guy's got inhuman discipline. They go, let's give you a nutritionist and everything else.

And he said, no, no, no, it's okay. He just ate an apple and smoked cigarettes. And when we were on set, he never looked at you. He never looked at you. At one point, I went like this. I had a scene. If you blink, I'm out of it. But I had a bunch of lines that didn't make it.

But I go like this. I go, what did you do?'m out of it but I had a bunch of lines that didn't make it but I go like this I go what'd you do take a gun and blow your head off and I mimicked it and I put it in my mouth like that and when I did that I I fell back he I did that twice on the second time he fell straight back he fell straight back and landed like it just he would just improvise and do crazy shit where you didn't know if he was going to even hurt himself. Remember when he punches the clock, that's not in the script. He just punched that clock off the wall and Todd thought he broke his hand.

That was not on the script. I saw when I saw, you know, the bus scene where he can't stop laughing. I saw them shooting that when I got to set, I swear to God, I saw him walking and I, I i knew he was gonna win an oscar it was that good and i looked at todd and i go holy shit he goes you have no idea dude it was like when i saw the fighter christian bale and the fighter remember that opening scene i went oh you're gonna win an oscar

of this i i don't know you could see it you're like you're a crack addict and you're about you're an ex-boxer you see one frame and, well, this is something different is happening here. It was the same thing with him. But I watched him for, I think it was four or five days I was there. And I've never seen somebody be able to hold that concentration and that kind of character for that long. I was like, I can never do that. I don't want to do that. That's not fun to be around.

That was a spooky movie because I was like, this is like too close to reality. Masterpiece, bro. And then right after that, you have the BLM riots and the COVID riots and all that stuff happened afterwards. I know.

Have you met Todd Phillips? No. Who writes and directs those movies? No. You need to meet him. I'd love to meet him. He's one of my favorite people. I love The Hangover.

He's such a special dude. You should have him on the podcast. I think you'd love him, man. He grew up like, he grew up like in a one-bedroom apartment with his mom in New York. And I think he's just a fucking genius. He gave me notes on a script I wrote once. And I was like, oh, that's why you're a genius.

Isn't it funny that we like people better if they grew up in a one-bedroom apartment with their mom? With chaos. I feel like he grew up in a mansion in Park City. Park City, Utah, just overlooking the slopes yeah yeah well you're you know lack of comfort you didn't have an easy childhood yeah well yeah no i didn't you know i think it's a superpower i don't want it for my kids i know that's the that's the rub though horrible you know it's interesting but but you know i feel like kids that are loved for whatever reason do get a certain ambition from their parents. And also they recognize work ethic.

My kids work really hard at stuff that they do. And I think a lot of it is because my wife works really hard at stuff she likes to do. And I work really hard at stuff I like to do. And they see that I work hard. And they know that I have, like, multiple jobs. Yeah. Maybe part of that I work hard. And they know that I have like multiple jobs. Yeah. Maybe part of it's also genetic. You either have that constitution or you don't.

I think it's genetic with one of my daughters. Because one of my daughters is a complete psycho. And just like super driven towards things. Like tries to do things. And she gets better and better and better and better and better at them. Like physical things. I think that's genetic. But it's interesting because she comes from like instead of like

needing attention she comes from this loving household where she gets all this love so she has confidence and her feet are on and she's happiness she's like but she's also crazy driven where when i was driven it was like i want to figure out a way where i'm not a loser like i have to i have to make something out of myself because I feel like a loser. Like it wasn't from a place of healthiness. Like just, I love exciting things and getting better at them. It wasn't that it was like, I am obsessed with this thing because this is the first time in my life where I didn't feel like a loser. Well, that's that, that's that Jungian notion of the shadow. Like you have two selves, right? You have your, have your your yourself and then your hidden self the idea that you know there's all your insecurities and and that that boy that i've been trying to

run away from forever that that skinny boy who is full of shame and full of fear and you know i don't want anybody to see that boy you know that that's that's somebody i always hide with something else right with bravado or with whatever this this thing is that i you know this armor construct yeah yeah and and i think that part of what helps you as an artist or even as a person is to bring that boy with you you know bring that bring that shadow with you because there's a strength in that there's an honesty in it you know i'm i'm not interested in trying to present as something I'm not. I am also that other thing. There's a lot of strength in that boy who's skinny and full of shame.

Well, there's a lot of strength in desire, right? Oh, okay. Desire for improvement and change. And that's also some of the things that come off of failure, right? You have this desire to never experience that again. That's a big one with stand-up. When you bomb. Oh, my God. Or if you lose in a fight. Both of those things that come off a failure right you have this desire to never experience that again that's a big one with stand-up when you bomb oh my god or or if you lose in a fight both those things are true because like you just like oh my god i never want that to happen again and then you you become far more dedicated it's you have to have those moments where the realization

of effort to reward like what is the what's the real formula am i lying to myself on this formula am i going to six and i'm telling everybody i go to nine like what what is actually really happening and the only way you really find out is by attempting to do things no matter what you're trying to do whether it's trying to put together a stand-up set whether you're trying to get better at jiu-jitsu whether you're doing gymnastics whatever it is the only way to know whether you're doing enough and doing it the right way is to see your improvement when it's tried. That's right. When it's tested and tried.

That's what's so great about stand-up. Amazing. And the challenge of being original, surprising yourself, never goes away. It's why I'm so addicted to it. It's why, like, I'm more excited about stand-up now at 56 than I've ever been. It's fun. Thank God. It's fun and it's a beautiful exchange. Like it's a beautiful exchange for me as an audience member. I love the exchange of watching someone on stage kill and I laugh so hard I feel great. It's like a beautiful drug that you get when you're laughing really hard. It's my

favorite thing to do. Yep. Like last night we all went out with Patrick, David's crew. Love him. And it was me, Asana Ma, Derrick Poston and Brian Simpson just sitting across from each other just howling, laughing. Talking and drinking margaritas. That's a huge part of stand-up. That's what you've created in this,

in Austin. It's not as much that in LA. The hang is so important. It's so important. New York has that. Austin has that. LA used to have that. It used to.

We used to have it at the Comedy Store. Yeah, in the parking lot. Yeah, the parking lot and then the back bar, the back comics bar was always amazing. Yeah, but you've done that with the mothership. I need to come out and do that. What we did is just take all the best elements that we saw in the store and the ethic behind the store. That's the reason why the bar is named Mitzi's. Yep.

You know, it's an homage to Mitzi Shore. Yep. I'm doing Cap Cities. Pauly came. Dude, Pauly was so funny. I love him. I hadn't seen Pauly on stage in years, and he was so funny. He was so loose.

How great is that? And he's been working. He's been working a lot. He's really matured. I did a podcast with him. Yeah, he's been working he's been working a lot but he's he's really matured i did a podcast with him yeah he's a sweetheart he really is yeah i'm always happy to see him now he lives in vegas now i know vegas has a real comedy scene man vegas has multiple comedy clubs now there's like a scene of of guys there's a lot of guys moved from la to vegas he hangs with nick cage he told me yeah it's his homie yeah it's with Nick Cage, he told me. Yeah, he's his homie. Yeah. It's kind of random.

Yeah, he sent me videos of him and Nick Cage together. Do you ever get starstruck with the celebrities you know now? Sometimes, yeah. I rented to Axl Rose in Greece. That's crazy. That was a wild one. Stop. See, this is what happened.

I was with my friend Brian Marorescu. He's the guy who wrote The Immortality Key, that amazing book on the Illicinian Mysteries in Greece. And it just so happened that when uh my family and i were in greece he was in greece and so we all met up and he gave us a tour of ulysses and uh he gave us the parthenon he explained like we went to the museum the parthenon museum is explaining everything to us amazing amazing so anyway we were at this restaurant and we were eating it's you know late at night we're having fun and he goes to the bathroom he comes back and goes uh he goes Axel Rose is here I go no way and he goes yeah he's uh he's right over there like as you're leaving you have to see him

I'm like oh shit so I get anxiety because when I'm leaving I'm like do I say hi I kind of have to say hi what if he doesn't know I am right that'd be weird oh it was horrible right so he looked at me like he didn't know who I was and he goes oh hey dude and then he shakes my hand I'm like thank you baby Jesus and then he starts telling me bits that he likes really yeah he's telling me bits for me he's asking me about my Netflix special and I'm like oh my god this is amazing oh my god so then he invites us to the show so uh they're doing Guns N' Roses in Athens on that Saturday night. And we were going to be there Saturday night.

We were leaving on Sunday morning. So it was perfect. Wow. So we saw three hours of Guns N' Roses in front of this massive stadium. How are they? Matt, incredible. They did three fucking hours. And people don't realize they can fill a stadium still, right?

And it was 95 degrees out and nobody gives a fuck they were dripping sweat I mean slash was fucking banging that guitar out this is that this is the video of me I filmed this backstage this is the end of the show give me give me some volume so you can hear it cuz it's fucking incredible to hear the crowd it's his video has no sound oh really that's weird I swear to God, it was on my phone. Wow. Where is Axl?

Anyway, that's Axl. Axl was, he was on the box. He's on the box. See him standing up there and he got down. And he cut his hair. Yeah. Dude is insane. It is insane.

It was just so cool. Yeah, of course. To see guns. The freakiest one for me still, though, is the Rolling Stones. When we went to see the rolling stones we saw him at coda the circuits of the americas yeah and uh i was standing there and uh my friend was talking to me i literally couldn't hear a word he was saying because i was so freaked out that mick jagger was right there i was like he's really right there and and he was right in front of you

like you were you know it was you know a good amount of distance but you were listening i was seeing him yeah i mean it wasn't that far away. We were like 30 rows back or something. Right. But I'm like staring at Mick Jagger. Piece of history. He's fucking jamming too. He's 80 years old today.

He's as old as Biden. Yeah. He is. He's as old as Biden. That's crazy. It's amazing. And fucking show was fantastic. Fantastic.

Wow. They played everything. I know. And his voice. They don't play Brown Sugar anymore though. Why? Too dangerous. Come on. They don't play Brown Sugar anymore, though. Why? Too dangerous. Come on.

They won't play it. Really? Yeah. Pussy. That's sad. Just fucking play it. Such a good song. You're 80, bro.

Just what are you going to do? Get canceled? Fuck off. It tastes so good. Come on, man. That's an homage. It's a great song. Great song.

And, you know, they played Shelter. They played all the classics. Can't always get what you want. homage it's a great song great and you know they played shelter they played they played all the the class can't always get what you want all the classes all the classes sympathy for the sympathy for the devil they played that they the only thing is they stopped writing they've kind of become a cover band of themselves keith richards played a new song yeah he played at least one new song yeah i think he might have played too but yeah i mean i guess that's just how it has to be when you're around that long you know you kind of like if you go to see guns and roses and they don't play paradise city yeah yeah they have to play welcome to the jungle they have to play

patience do when you're in greece or places like that do you get recognized a lot a lot it's enough yeah yeah it's kind of weird right to be in another country and realize that. It's less than America. Yeah. But it's enough. Yeah. It happens enough. Yeah.

Podcasting celebrity is different, though, because they listen to you so much that in a way you become, like, they do know you. Well, what's amazing is that everybody speaks English. There's so many people in other parts of the world that speak English as a second language and they consume English stuff whether it's movies And television shows or even podcasts There's so much smarter than us. There's so many people that are bilingual in this world in America It's like what are the what are the numbers besides Latinos and immigrant populations in America that are bilingual? Like what I mean, I was if you had a guess let's just guess a percentage of America that's bilingual.

Oh, the percentage of America that's bilingual? Yeah, let's guess. 30. You think it's that high? I mean, I'm wrong, but I'd say only because of the Spanish population. So let's say 20%. Okay, I was going to say 18. Yeah.

So let's think of- It's probably even lower than that. Now, let's say Spain. Yeah, they all die. 70%? Sure. Okay, let was going to say 18. Yeah. So let's think of- It's probably even lower than that. Now let's say Spain. Yeah, they all died. 70%. Sure. Okay, let's look. Israel, Israel, everybody in Israel.

And in Jordan, everyone spoke English. Yeah. I mean, I'm talking about the Bedouin spoke English. Yeah. By the way, by the way, just very quickly, look it up. Now you like to hunt. All I'm going to say with your, I'm just going to say this. What are you going to say?

Now you like to hunt. All I'm going to say with your, I'm just going to say this. What are you going to say? There is hunting in Jordan, in that desert, that will change your life. You went hunting in Jordan? I didn't, but I was talking to what they hunt, which is wild goat, which is deer, which is everything you can imagine, even wild hare. And they do a lot of hunting.

And those desert, that desert is some of the most, I went went to wadi rum that's where they shot the martian and there's some of the most beautiful there's some of the most beautiful part it's is that where they shot that movie yes martian dude the jordan is that's a great movie jordan is so amazing and i thought of you because the guy with this bedouin guy was telling me how much they hunt because he was showing me pictures everything the deer and everything i was like where what do you have because we have everything here we have everything and the hunting's unbelievable and you do it year round and like even pigeon like even wood pigeon stuff like that crazy shit do you know pigeon was brought here for food that makes sense yeah all those pigeons that you see in new york city is that true yeah squab squab it's great that's what it is it was brought here yeah from probably england or i don't know it's because because in england you have a lot of wood pigeon

probably england i've eaten a lot of pigeon if you um there's parts of this country where people hunt pigeons still to this day like there's like seasons on pigeons and pigeons apparently taste really good i think i think we should use your connections and get to the King of Jordan who lives in Malibu and shoots at Taron Tactical. And he's a great guy. Shouldn't we go pigeon hunting instead? No, no, no. Listen to me.

I'm going to use your celebrity. Let's shoot some pigeons. If the King of Jordan is listening, I think we go. He loves to hunt. He's a man of man. Will you learn how to shoot a bow? I swear to God I'll learn how to shoot a bow. I swear.

But it'll take a long time. I'm a very athletic guy and I'm a good student. You just teach me. Remember the last time you tried to pull a bow. We will take a long time I'm a very athletic guy and I'm good student. You just teach me remember the last time you tried to pull the bow back Shut up. I had a trick shoulder Andrew Schultz came to the back. He's never pulled a bow back before yeah, I showed him how to do it I showed him a line of peep sight and he shot it right into the fucking bullseye at 40 yards. He's a good basketball player. You see him play basketball? He's an athlete. Very good.

He can box, too. You see him hit pads? Let's not get carried away. Don't get carried away. He can hit pads. Bro. I've seen him hit pads. I'm not giving him that.

He'll fuck you up. Don't say that out loud. He will fuck you up. Because now I'm going to have to fight him, and I love him so much. He's going to fuck you up. He's going to fuck you up. I love him, too. You're out of your mind.

He's going to fuck you up. You're out of your mind. He's going to pop you with that jab. But I love him. Nope. You're going to get me riled up. He's going to move like a real athlete, and you're going to fuck you up. He's going to fuck you up. I love him too. You're out of your mind. He's going to fuck you up. You're out of your mind. He's going to pop you with that jab. Nope. You're going to get me riled up. He's going to move like a real athlete and you're going to panic. You're going to think about your joints and your ligaments. Yeah, okay.

Want to see me hit mitts? I've seen you hit mitts. I love Andrew. Give me some volume. Andrew's an athlete and stuff like that, but you better stop it right now. Shut the fuck up. He can play basketball. This is, I'm seeing Brian Callen getting boxed up right now.

You're out of your fucking mind. That's what I'm saying. You're out of your mind. Boxed uped up right now. You're out of your fucking mind. You're out of your mind. Boxed up. You're out of your mind, but I love him. You're getting boxed up. You're getting me really riled up. He's going to box you up. He's got good reach, though.

He's a big kid, and I love him. He's going to fuck you up. He's not hitting the mitts very hard, but he's going to hit you hard. All right, we'll see. He's going to hurt you, boy. Let's go. He's going to fuck you up. Give me some mitts.

Although I got a tweaked back. I slept wrong. I slept wrong. I need a lot of time to warm up. Give me some mitts. Although I got to tweak back. I slept wrong. I slept wrong. I need a lot of time to warm up. I love hitting mitts. Me too. I love boxing. I love sparring, but I had to stop.

I was getting dizzy. I might go back. I went to Black House. They have a public Black House, and I went there yesterday, literally yesterday. And I'm like, they have wrestling, they have jiu-jitsu, and they have Muay Thai classes. And I think I got to get back into it. It's so fun. It's so fun.

I miss it. I love hitting pads more than anything. I love it. I used to, whenever we'd do the UFC, I would get a chance to train with Mark De La Grata. And all I was trying to do was hurt his arms. Well, you kicked very hard. I wanted to hurt his forearms. Yeah, you did hurt his forearms.

That's a great video. I've watched that video a lot. All I was ever trying to do was just want to fucking take it in there. You kick crazy hard. But you punch hard, too. I'm surprised you don't want to spark because you don't want to get. I don't want brain damage. I'm stupid enough.

I know. I'm plenty stupid. And plus you're going to go full. Yeah. Well, it's just. The problem with boxing is that every time I get hit and then the next day, or, you know, Wayne McCulloch used to laugh because I was like I all I want to do is even the score and that's the problem and then you get then

you start swinging and everybody's hitting then you can't have an ego with that and you have to be able to train with people that can just pull it back well that's why you train with really good guys you're not going to hurt you right and you have to know they have to know you're not trying to hurt them so they don't have to punish you either that's right so they always say have their respect it's like guys like that'll say I'll go have to punish you either. That's right. They always say that. You have to have their respect. It's like guys like that will say, I'll go as hard as you go. Right. It's like, just be cool.

Perfect. And you don't spar with pros, bro. You move around with them. Don't say you spar with good amateurs. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You've never been hit. You're moving around. And they're being nice to you.

Yes. They're going at a five. Yes. Like when you see, look at that, bro. You're getting fucked up. You're getting fucked up. You're getting me pissed off, bro. You're getting fucked up. You're getting fucked up. You're getting me pissed off, dude. You're getting fucked up.

You're out of your fucking mind. He's going to fuck you up, dude. He's going to fuck you up. Look at him. I love him. Yeah, he looks good. He looks good. I'm seeing you in the ropes.

He's not reaching. He's not reaching. He's got, you know. I'm seeing you in the corner getting lit up like a Christmas tree. You can shut the fuck up. Bing, bing, bing. Okay, good luck. Put all your money on me.

No. I told you I was betting on him. All right, dude. Fucking ready now, man. My shoulders are getting loose. Maybe you can be on the undercard. I'm just fucking, I'm off the center line. You can be the undercard of Bradley Martin and Mighty Mouse Johnson.

I'm going to Philly. I'll work with those guys. I love that. I went to that gym. What is that name? Percy Custis. I went to Bernard Hopkins' old gym. name Percy Custis and where Jay well I went to Bernard Hopkins old gym And where Julian Jay Rock Williams just take a lot of photos. I did I shot it

I shot it and I was my boy coach Anthony who I love he's got a great YouTube channel shout out to coach Anthony and he held mitts for me and He's a great coach and I watch his videos and I fucking it I just want me see you hit the mitts after I saw Schultz hit the mitts. Let's see the difference. Where's the video you hit the mitts? I don't have any video. Come on, bitch.

You know you got something. I really don't. I don't— Let me see the difference. I want to compare. Compare technique. I'm better. You think so?

Yeah. What do you mean, do I think so? I just want to know. Here you go. That's my boy, Tariq Azim. Not bad. Right there. You hit a little harder than him, that's for sure.

Oh, do you think? Because I was really sparring. What do you mean you're sparring? You're hitting the mitts. That's not sparring. No, but that was when I was actually getting in the gym. And Tariq would teach me shit, and I'd go back to the gym, and it was beautiful.

That fucking dude knows how to. That was Gilbert Melenda. He trained all those guys. That's guitar. I know who he is. Yeah. He's great. Brian Cal.

It's my coach, Anthony. This is, by the way, when I'm 56 and I hadn't hit Midsom forever. Yeah, I'm not as impressed now. No, because I was old. Much less impressed. I was old, dude. How old were you in the other one? 30?

Shut up. What happened to your hands? This is two years ago. Did you break both your hands? I was Shut up. What happened to your hands? This is two years ago. Did you break both your hands? I was warming up here because I didn't want to pull anything, so I was just moving around a little bit. Plus, I had real boxers watching me. You're already tired.

You're exhausted. Find out what that gym is. Fuck, what is that gym where Percy Custis is? I've got to give him a shout-out. It's in Philly, South Philly. Fuck. Or West Philly. I'm sorry.

Brian Callen learning how to box for real. Listen, man. This is me just moving around. Do you have any desire to do other stuff like jiu-jitsu? Yes, and I want to box some more. Really? Yeah. Well, Bourdain started jiu-jitsu when he was 58.

I know. I actually secretly do a little wrestling. Secretly? Yeah. Not so secret anymore, you fucking big mouth. My buddy, I do some Greco and I do some Russian. What actually secretly do a little wrestling. Secretly? Yeah. Not so secret anymore, you fucking big mouth. My buddy, I do some Greco and I do some Russian. What do you do? I do Russian.

I'll just move around a little bit, take downs. It's kind of stupid. Yeah. Yeah, but I love it. It's fun. Drills. Higan Machado was teaching me a lot of- Shout out to Higan.

The best. I love that guy. I love that guy. And Higan would teach me a lot of two on run, those Russian arm ties and things like that. And a series after that. Everything's a series, right? And that's great because, you know, for me as a wrestler, duck unders and arm drags, there's a whole series you can do off that. And I like that stuff.

I don't want to be diving in for a double and single at two. Well, yeah, you don't want to get hurt. But you can still train. You can still train you can still train specifically if you train jujitsu with the gi with people who know what they're doing like there's guys that are in their fucking 60s that roll all the time yes all the time i will do that i if i could find the time to be honest with you but i got yeah kids and yeah it's hard i get it you got to pick your poison yeah you got and you got to pick your distractions and your hobbies and stuff.

That's why I won't fuck with golf. I saw you and Jamie out there whacking that golf ball around. I'm like, you can keep that. I know. That one sucks. You especially. You can't because you'll get crazy. I know you.

You're a fucking maniac. It looks like too much fun. The people that do it all love it. No, dude. They can't wait to get out and play. Cause you love pool and you love archery. Those kinds of skill sets where it's like all about your mind and stuff. You, you would obsess over it.

Yeah, I'm sure I would. I see Jamie. He's, he's out there whacking that fucking ball every day. It's my dad. It's my dad at 83 years old. I love my father.

Cause at 83, it's gotten in the golf. He's like making everything he does. It goes viral. He's having a great time. He thinks he can go pro. No, he can't, but golf. He's making everything he does goes viral. He's hilarious. He's having a great time. He thinks he can go pro. No, he can't. But he's not bad, but he can't end.

He's the best. So if he's not good enough to be pro, like how good is he? Is he good like Santino good? Santino's supposed to be really good, right? He's not as good as Santino. He's still in first year. How good is Santino? I don't know, but Santino I think is like...

Isn't he a scratch golfer? Not quite three. That's crazy good. Almost a scratch gol's crazy that's crazy good to be but but like my father at 83 came in the other day and this is what I love about him literally came in and goes I figured out what was I was doing wrong and I go what he goes I wasn't moving my and he had just had a lesson he was like I got it you know that that's how obsessed he is mmm you gotta love that yeah you gotta love it that's the same thing with pool it's like the reason why people like why does people waste

their time playing that because every time you make a shot it requires all of your concentration it requires and the more you can keep it together and run out rack after rack after rack you get this like euphoric mindset yes it just like locks you into the task i think it forces you to overcome your liabilities i think it actually forces you to um somehow contend with the things that are holding you back well your liabilities during shots like whether it's an archery shot or a pool shot, are distractions, doubts. Yes. There's a lot of things.

Not concentrating on the task. But if you can just block all that out and just purely concentrate on the task, it's like a form of meditation. That's right. Particularly archery, I think, because it's the same sort of position. You're in the same position every time. Like every time you draw back, your shoulder's relaxed, your back is taut, you're on the string, you're just gently pulling through that trigger. It's the same position every time. Yeah.

And you're trying to hit this thing. With me, it's 73 yards. I'm trying to hit this thing that's this big. And it's just. Yeah. And to do it right, you cannot be thinking about anything else right it all goes away right and there's like a mind cleansing aspect to that yes i i agree 100 i talked to john dudley about that i went to annie stump's wedding and john john's a giant

he's a giant stud talk about being built well just a natural athlete you know yeah he's a giant. What a stud. Talk about being built well. Just a natural athlete, you know? Yeah, he's a great guy, too. And he's a masterful archery instructor. I guess he is. Masterful. Because I was kind of asking him about the principles around it, and I realized very quickly that this guy could probably talk to you for a year before you even picked up a bow about his philosophy around it, you know? Oh, yeah.

No, he teaches archery. So he has the most extensive video collection. If you go to Knock On Archery on YouTube, it's Knock On N-O-C-K. It's the most extensive archery instructionals that you could get anywhere and the best instruction you can get everywhere. He does it perfectly. He teaches you perfect form. He gives you exactly what you need to do to tune your arrows and tune your bow.

And he puts it all up there for free. Well, I think I've said this before. I think if you really want to get to know yourself, get really good at at least one thing. Just get really good at one thing. Because what it takes to get really good at that one thing forces you to confront the things that are holding you back in general. And I don't know what those are, but everybody has them you know everybody has hang-ups everybody has insecurities everybody has you know even resentments you know like it's really hard to go through life without having some resentment for people and i think uh um one of the most valuable

things to do is to be able to let go of those people with love like i know it sounds hokey i know it sounds hokey but listen to jesus over here i know i know right this is this is a there's a book called the tools you ever see that the studs that that uh oh fuck jonah hill uh had his uh therapist uh he did a documentary about his therapist his therapist was when this therapist was nine years old, his brother died of cancer, his three-year-old brother. And his parents were both atheists and his parents had nothing to fall back on. So he ended up being his parents' therapist. And by the time he became a therapist, it was a joke for him. He was like, I've been doing this my whole life. And what was

really interesting about the book and also about the documentary is that then at 30, he gets Parkinson's and it's debilitating. And so he has to contend, he's now 75 and he has to contend with his mortality. And one of the things that he found the most frustrating thing about psychoanalysis was this idea that I can tell you, we can find out where after talking for a long time, where your anxiety comes from. Your dad did this, or your uncle did this, whatever it might be. You can find the causes, maybe. We can expose those. But now what do we do about it?

Just because you know why doesn't mean you know what to do about it. So you've got anxiety, or you've got this self-limiting, you know, you've got this self-saboteur, or whatever it might be, or you have this depression. Well, what do you do about that? You know, I can prescribe medication, but sometimes that doesn't work. And he created these things called tools, you know, which I have to say at 56, read the book and I, and I really, really found it useful and I found it enjoyable. But one of the things he talks about is the idea of, and it's, again, it's a Christian notion, but it's also, it just makes total sense. If you hold on to resentment for people, you're turning your back on your future. You know, you're fighting with them.

You're still fighting with them in one way or another. That's a weird thing to hold on to. And I think that it's really important, however you can do it, to move on from that. But if you move on from that, like wishing for their destruction and stuff, I don't think that works as well. I think better is to kind of just realize, hey, whatever you're going through, I forgive you. I forgive you. I forgive whatever it is, and I'm going to move on from there and actually actively do that. And you can do that through meditation. He's got these things where you do that, and there's a meditative way to do it. But I think that's pretty powerful. I think it's very helpful because it allows you to move on

from the things that are holding you back it's also practical it's practical you only have so much energy you have so much time and so much concentration you had to do that yeah you told me your biggest your biggest accomplishment was peace of mind i always think about yes that's a big thing you gotta learn how well the way I always talk about it is that I think of my mind as bandwidth. Like I have a hundred units of bandwidth and anytime I'm spending time on something that's nonsense or not constructive or not beneficial, it's stealing from the amount of bandwidth that I would have to writing a new bit or concentrating on something I love to do or

being with my family or friends, like anytime you've got some stuff stealing from you, you got to figure out a way to push that out. Like you don't need it. You do not need to be dwelling on some. Did you read a book about that or did you just come to that? You did? Yeah, I figured it out. I just, I figured out, I always figure out like what makes me feel bad. Like what What is it about what I've said or what someone said to me or what I've done or what someone's done to me? What makes me feel bad? And then how much of that could have been preventable? How much of it can I mitigate?

How much of it is necessary? And when you think about disputes with people in particular, where some people just hold grudges and disputes forever it's just thievery you're stealing from yourself you're stealing from your time and fuck that's so important though it's such an important thing to understand yeah the best revenge is to live your life well just accomplish it yeah just live your life well and then let that poor person who keeps dwelling let them hold on to that. Yeah. And also nobody gives a fuck about.

The universe is going to treat you unfairly. Okay. I'm sorry. It's just the way it is. You can dwell on that and worry about it. Or you can get to work. Yeah. Just go to work.

And you can do amazing things with your life if you can just figure out what to concentrate on. The people that fuck their life up they waste so much time concentrating on bullshit and you just don't have time for things that you really love if you do that i know and that's just a cold hard pragmatic approach to thought management and i had to figure that out on my own i figured that out but it's just uniquely me. I would think about like, like one of the ones that was like early on that I realized was jealousy. That I would have jealousy over if a comic did really well

or if their career was doing really well. That was your competitive nature. Yes. And I realized that, I remember that when I was like 21 years old when I was at an open mic night and I was hoping that someone bombed. And I remember thinking,

wow, what a weak thought. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? Seeing someone die. But it was like I didn't have a framework and a structure like I did with martial arts. So it was like applying competitive drive to an artistic endeavor where actually the people that are really good are supremely beneficial. They're not bad for you. They're not bad for you. They're really good for you.

They're inspiring. They're inspiring. And it's also there's camaraderie to it that's beautiful. And you learn how to do it from both observing and practicing. And then the level that you're around makes you raise your own level up. Yeah, it puts you on notice. You're like, I got to get to work. 100%.

And then I realized, so I realized that and I got past that. And then, but I realized like, oh, like these are like these kind of weaknesses that are just inherent to human character. It's inherent to human desires and ego and your thoughts about yourself and what you deserve versus what you're getting. And, you know, there's a, especially with young people, there's this like frantic rush for success. And you think that somehow or another, if someone else does well, it takes away from

you because you're not winning. You know, they're winning. Right. You're like, God damn it. I fucking hate that dude. You know? So there's like, there's a thing that people can get trapped doing and they can do that with all sorts of aspects of their life

it's just a waste of energy what's funny is that you have to keep reminding yourself of that because you can fall right back into that it's not that you don't master anything like it's like i finally i'm finally here and i have no demons to fight and i have no habits to overcome anymore i have arrived my job that's a serial killer yeah that's a serial killer. Yeah, that's a serial killer. That shit doesn't exist. That's like, you know what's funny? I've also been thinking about this too, is the idea that you better be careful when you do hit the top of the mountain.

Because that's when the devil comes, sorry to get biblical on you again. I'm getting fucking biblical. But that's when the devil starts whispering in your ear. What does he say? Well, I'll tell you what he says. He goes like this. He goes, you know what?

You're not just God's favorite. You might be God. And you know what? Go ahead and slap Chris Rock. I know it's the Oscars, but you can get away with it. You know what? Wear a sock over your face and say you love Hitler. You can do it because you're special.

And we see it. Everybody can fall when you're at the top of that pinnacle. You can, man, you can start to say you know what the laws of the universe don't apply to me and i'm gonna push it and that's when the gods go ha look at this motherfucker he thinks he's one of us he thinks he's one of us he forgot he's human and and that apparently i don't know if this is true but denzel washington whispered in will smith's ear i like Will Smith, you know, but he, he whispered in Will Smith's ear. He said, the devil comes to us at our highest moment, you know, and Mike Tyson said that too. You ever see Mike Tyson talking to Francis Ngannou? Mike Tyson said, you're, you're, you're special, man. Watching you knock people out. You know what that means? It means you're one of God's favorites. And Francis went, francis went wow and he goes here's the bad news you're one of the devil's favorites too and you gotta leave with the guy you came with because he's looking to take you home too and it's like damn mike dropping fucking knowledge right you know he's training francis and gano for

the tyson fury fight that's crazy. Is he? Yeah. That old school, that custom model, that old school. I mean, I don't know how much he's going to change his style because they're fighting in October. You know, it's August now. Yeah. He's got Mike, I mean, Tyson Fury's got a plethora of knowledge there. He's the best ever.

Yes. As far as heavyweights. But you know what? It's hard to imagine other than Mike Tyson in his prime mm-hmm anybody beating that guy yeah Tyson Fury so good he's so good he's mad at me he's mad at me cuz I said Jon Jones would fuck him up but in an MMA fight he would that's not being mean yeah but just the way I said it I dragged him into this who's the baddest man on the planet thing which I didn't mean to do.

I love the guy. Yeah, but he's probably being dramatic. I was talking a little loose. He's being dramatic. I was with Schultz. I think we probably had a couple of cocktails. I was talking a little loose. He got very mad at me.

He did? For real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he text you or text him? No, no, no, no, no. He just talked shit about me and made a video. I love the guy. I really do.

There's nothing not to love. But it's just the difference. Look, if he learned MMA, look, that guy's a warrior. If someone taught him when he was young how to wrestle and jujitsu and leg kicks, he would fuck everybody up as an MMA fighter as well. Sure. Because that's who he is. Yeah, but also— But the reality of wrestling is just—

You're not defending against an ankle lock unless you've seen it and drilled it a lot of times. It's not just that. You're not defending against Jon Jones. A rear naked choke. Especially if there's nowhere to go. Take downs. Like I said, trapped in a room. Yeah. But that's not just that. You're not defending against Jon Jones. A rear naked choke. Especially if there's nowhere to go. Take downs. Like I said, trapped in a room. Yeah.

But that's not insulting. He thought it was. It's a different sport. Because he's a fucking warrior, man. But it's a different sport. You can't say that a guy is a better man than him. That's what it is. It's challenging.

I could have said it in a much more diplomatic way. Okay. I should have said it in a much more diplomatic way. So you mean you were too honest? A little bit. Talking shit. That's what it was. I was talking shit.

But I do love the guy. And I do think that the thing about Francis Ngannou in Tyson Fury is I do not imagine a world where Francis Ngannou can outbox Tyson Fury. I do not think that that will ever take place. No way. Tyson Fury is a master. His footwork, his jab, his understanding of what to do. You ever see that fight with Otto Wilde where he's on the ropes and just bobbing and weaving

and slipping punches? He can see what you're doing. He's going to put Francis Ngannou. One of the great things about watching Bud Crawford with Errol Spence is Bud Crawford was able to put his feet in a place where Errol Spence had to keep adjusting. That's why it looked, as great as Errol Spence looked, you'll never see him look as off balance as he did against a genius like Bud Crawford.

It's more where he's placing his feet, those little details, those micro adjustments. He's never out of place. And his accuracy. He's landing those hooks in tight like that. Where he's punching from. Yes. that. Where he's punching from. Yes. It's where he's punching from. Perfect positioning.

Yes. Perfect positioning. That has to be, you don't learn that in four months. No. No. Those are details that are, if you're tutored right and you have the kind of brain that someone like Hopkins or Bud Crawford has. Yeah. That's for you. What I will say, though, is Francis Ngannou hits like a freight train. Correct.

He hits like a freight train. But Dylan White does too, and so does— I don't think those guys hit as hard as Francis. I mean, I don't know, but Francis is a natural 265. He has to cut down to make 265. He hits so fucking hard. The question is, will he be able to connect on the greatest heavyweight ever? Also, when is he going to get tired?

Yeah, will he get tired? Will he be inefficient like with Conor and Floyd Mayweather? Floyd Mayweather is so efficient and so smooth and composed. Relaxed, moving. Always relaxed. And he can box like that for 30 rounds in a row. They also roll shots. You know, he can just kind of move.

Look at this. Look at this with Otto Whalen. Yeah, it's incredible. I know. Look at this movement. Look at it. He knows what's going on, too. He just keeps his...

And the length and distance that fucking guy has. Look at him. His jab is just... He's so good. Everything he does is incredible. Yeah. And, you know, there was this crazy controversy after the Deontay Wilder fight where they were claiming that he didn't have his gloves on Correctly and that his knuckles were actually over the padding stop

But that's just because he's so loose when he throws his hands out sometimes he mixes up between Showing you the jab and just popping you and then driving with a power shot He just figures out, but he also figures out all your patterns. The other thing about being a boxer at someone like Ngannou's level, a rather novice, and someone like Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury has patterns. He can see what you're going to do. Francis Ngannou's going to come to him with a game plan.

That game plan, with all due respect, for someone like Tyson Fury, is rudimentary. They're going to figure out, I see what you're doing, blah, blah, blah. It's like with Duran. I can't remember the boxer, but he came back to his corner and goes, he's reading my mind. No, Duran just understands those patterns so well that he was beating you to the punch. That's what was happening. It's the same idea. Once a fighter does that, Emanuele Pacquiao did that to the great Miguel Cotto. He did it by the third round. He figured him out. And you could see, what's his name, Freddie Roach screaming, you know, knock him out.

And then Freddie, after that fight, said, I talked to him actually, he said he didn't want to knock him out. Didn't want to hurt him, but he could. Wow. That's how good. He's so nice. Yeah, yeah. Very killer. How about that?

Manny Pacquiao, so nice. Didn't want to knock. Yeah, yeah, right killer. How about that? Manny packing? Oh, so nice didn't want to knock You know that that's true though man when when a fighter figures your game out that quickly. We'll see you later He downloaded everything really he really didn't want to knock him out. That's what Freddie Roach said Wow That's crazy cuz he was like get him out of here, and he's like That's crazy you could see it you could see he broke his nose, and it was just crazy But man,anny's talking about fighting again

like a real fight well guys like Manny and guys like nobody talks enough about Bernard Hopkins and how what he was able to do

up through up to the age of 50 I was talking to Masvidal about this like you're talking about a guy in a division where speed

and power make a big difference and he was at 50 he was at 50. He was still fighting at a level that maybe two other people. World championship level. Crazy. Yeah, incredible.

And that's because of his fight IQ. His fight IQ and his discipline. The guy never got out of shape, never ate bad, never drank. Did push-ups between rounds. Yeah. He was incredible. Yeah. And he's just one of the all-timers.

And just what a guy to emulate you see his style you know like when he beat tito trinidad nobody gave him a chance he went over to puerto rico and threw the puerto rican flag on the ground and they tried to kill him yeah oh he hyped that fight up in a big way and he got tito trinidad very emotional and then he just boxed his face off he'll get you he'll get in your kitchen man he'll get he'll find he'll find you always have a window open in your house, and he'll climb into that fucking window. Yeah. And good luck.

Such a good boxer. Apparently with Kelly Pavlik, who was a killer, he whispered in his ear, he said, don't let this ruin you. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I remember that fight. He was in his 40s.

And Kelly Pavlik was a killer. Was a killer. Killer. It was after he knocked out Jermaine Taylor. Right. Right? And Jermaine Taylor's a monster. Kelly Pavlik was a killer. Was a killer. Killer. It was after he knocked out Jermaine Taylor. Right. Right? And Jermaine Taylor's a monster. Kelly Pavlik was a killer.

Yeah, killer. But just ran into a genius. He just ran into a genius. That's okay. Yeah. Genius boxers, to me, it's the most exciting thing to watch. So when you watch a guy like Terrence Crawford or the guy who's going to fight next, Boots Ennis. I don't know much about Boots Ennis.

Oh my God. He's so good. Is he fighting him at 54? I think they're talking about doing a rematch with Errol Spence at 54. Yeah, well. But, you know, that's a hard sell. Yeah, it is. The only thought would be that Errol Spence depleted himself so much

getting to 154 that he couldn't fight to the best of his abilities. But it just looks like Terrence Crawford's on another level. He is. I mean, it's undeniable that boxers do get weakened when they lose a lot of weight. It's undeniable. But he had been world champion at 47. Yeah, I don't think that was an issue of weakness. I think that was an issue of just—

Genius. Yeah. Genius. You just—sometimes you are out—you're beaten by some, I think Bud Crawford is greatness. He's greatness. He's not just good, he's greatness. And greatness is a different X factor. What did you think of the Lomachenko-Devin Haney fight?

I didn't see enough of it. I saw highlights. And I heard that Lomachenko got the best of him, but I don't know. It looked to me like he won. Yeah. I've watched it twice now. It's like, God, I can kind of see looked to me like he won. Yeah. I've watched it twice now. It's like, God, I can kind of see a world where it's close. Yeah.

It's close. And the unfortunate aspect, the fact that a lot of people don't agree with the decision, is that it kind of tarnishes an amazing fight. Because the fight was amazing. Both Devin Haney, his performance, and Lomachenko's performance. It was an incredible fight between two guys in their fucking prime. God. It was such a good fight. Because the fight was amazing. Both Devin Haney, his performance, and Lomachenko's performance. It was an incredible fight between two guys in their fucking prime. It was such a good fight.

Is Lomo in his prime, though? He still is, man. The way he fought against Devin Haney, he looked fucking fantastic. Crazy, right? I think he's 36 now. You know how many fights he's had? Those guys who come up through that Russian system. I think like Triple G had 350 fights, I think as an amateur or something crazy. Like, are you out of your fucking mind?

Insane. Insane. Yeah. Insane. Lomachenko's got a wild story, too, because his dad made him stop boxing for two years to learn Russian-Ukrainian dance, rather. I know, that's so weird. Yeah, and Ukrainian dance was like the foundation for his footwork.

Isn't he Usyk's coach as well? Yes. Now, that's a guy guy if you watch that anthony joshua fight i mean it's insane he's just a i mean that's so beautiful to watch i know setting traps and like i i watched some guy break down the stuff that i didn't see that i didn't know as a just somebody who doesn't understand how about the sheer volume of strikes that he throws as a heavyweight? Incredible. Because he's a natural cruiserweight too. It's not like

he's a big man. No, he's like 220 I think. That's so weird. Yeah, he's not a big heavyweight at all. But you gotta realize also that Mike Tyson in his prime was also about 220. Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. He's big enough to hurt you. Usyk was so slick. I know. And Anthony Joshua is such a fucking big man.

Well, you're talking about a super athlete. And he almost took Anthony Joshua out in the first fight. Yep. Especially, like, towards the end of the fight, like, he was battering Joshua. Everything's a plan, though. He's doing... Yeah, he's so slick, man. He rolls with stuff.

Yep. And he wears you out. And then he starts... Look at that hairstyle and that mustache. I know. He's such a unique character. He is. He's very, very eccentric. Wasn't he a two-time Olympian?

I believe so. Yeah, I think he won, right? Look that up, Jamie. I think he was a... That's crazy. Phenomenal boxer, though. And interesting, right? I was really interested in seeing him in Tyson Fury.

I was, too. That's an's an amazing I don't know why I I wonder if his camp just doesn't want that I wonder if his camp is like whose camp Tyson Fury's camp is like who knows I think they want the most money possible in the Francis Ngannou fight they're doing in I think they're doing the UAE I think they're doing it I don't know where that maybe they do it in Dubai I thought it was twice but I think it was our out porting Archer bitter view and bitter B of is the only fighter right now that's a champion that has a 100% knockout rate he's undefeated I think

he's 19 and oh with 19 knockouts he is a fucking monster and that was the guy that they were trying to set Canelo up with. Because when Canelo fought Bivol, one of the other names that was on the table was Bitterbeev. Oh, he's a destroyer. You ever seen this guy fight? Yeah, Bivol? No, Bitterbeev.

No, I've never seen this guy. Bitterbeev is one of the most impressive guys in boxing. Is that right? Yes. What weights does he fight at? He's a light heavyweight. He's a light heavyweight champion. He's the guy who knocked out Joe Smith Jr.,

the guy who knocked out Bernard Hopkins. Oh, boy. That's a lot to deal with for Canelo. Go to Bitter B.F.'s highlights. That's a much bigger man. Go to his highlights. That's a bigger man than Canelo. He's a fucking monster, dude.

Too big for Canelo. He's not just big. He's a fucking destroyer. And he's not like an elusive guy, like an Usyk. He's just straightforward. He's Chechnyan. Just a fucking warrior, dude. Just comes at you with insane technique, blood and guts, just smashing people. He's just straightforward. He's Chechnyan. Just a fucking warrior, dude. Just comes at you

with insane technique, blood and guts, just smashing people. Oh, my God. But Canelo... All knockouts, dude. Canelo wants to fight him? There's Joe Smith Jr.

No, I don't believe so. Oh, okay. I don't believe he wants any of this. I think he wants another B-Vol fight, but this is the most terrifying matchup in light heavyweight. He's a fucking animal, dude.

And he looks like an animal with that fucking beard. He's... Look, there's a reason there are weight classes. Watch some of a fucking animal, dude. And he looks like an animal with that fucking beard. Look, there's a reason there are weight classes. Watch some of these KOs, man. This fucking guy is terrifying. And 100% knockout ratio. Everybody he fights, and every fight is the same way.

Seek and destroy. Come straight at you, hands up high, and break you down. And he hits like a fucking Mack truck. Yeah, no thanks. I mean, he's a fucking tank, dude. Yeah. Look at that.

And he puts together these beautiful combinations. Look at how tight that left hook was. Everything's tight. It's these beautiful combinations, but just constant pressure. Yeah, no thanks. Look how he breaks people down. Just a beast. And this was the Anthony Yard fight.

And Yard's a monster. Oh, dude, he's fucking people up. He's so interesting to watch, too. Because it's just how long can the person outlast this attack? Oh, Christ. I mean, how long can the person handle this?

I don't think that's Yard. I think his body just gives in. Oh, covered his... He hit him in the body and came right to the face. Yeah, that wasn't Anthony Yard. But this is... I mean, there's a whole series of his fights like this, and they're all the same way.

He just puts it on guys until they break. Yeah, no thanks. He's incredible. Yeah. Who would be a competitive fighter? Bivol. Bivol and him would be a great unification fight. Bivol looked like a bigger Canelo, like very similar style to me.

Like really, really similar to Canelo when they fought. I was like, that's just a bigger Canelo. Big and long and a real light heavyweight. Fundamentals are perfect. No chance ever of being 154. No. He's a real 175 pound guy. I mean like props to Canelo for wanting to challenge himself

like that because it's kind of wild. It's kind of wild that he goes up and knocks out Kovalev. Kovalev is huge. Kovalev was like later in his career then but if you go back and watch his fight, his first fight with Andre Ward and all the other guys

that he knocked down. Kovalev when he was the fight. Oh my god. With Andre Ward and all the other guys that he knocked down. I mean, Kovalev, when he was the crusher, he was a beast. Andre Ward was another guy who could just download what you were doing and did it with Kovalev twice. And by the way, fought most of his career with one arm. What do you mean? He had a fucked up shoulder most of his career. Is that true? Yeah, he had an operation before

the second Kovalev fight. Wow. He beat all those guys. The middleweight tournament that he went through, the Karl Frotch, all those guys. He beat all those guys with one shoulder. You know who came out of that camp? You know who boxed in Oakland with, in Andre Ward's camp for a long time

was the Diaz brothers. Really? Oh, that's right. They did a lot of sparring with him. Yeah. What do you think about that Jake Paul thing? Well, that's why I was bringing it up. We're going to have that too. So we're going to do Fight Compan why. I was bringing it up. We're going to have that, too.

So we're going to do Fight Companion. We'll have the UFC. We're going to pause that when it starts. I'm going to be on stage. So you can watch both. Yeah, you're not going to be there for that. I know, but when are you going to start it? Because I'll be...

Whenever the fights start. Fuck. What time do the fights start? I got two shows. 8. 8 p.m.? Cap Cities, everybody. Oh, they start at 8?

The main card starts at 8? You're going to miss everything. I am, right? Yeah. We'll have dinner beforehand. Okay, they start at 8? The main card starts at 8? You're going to miss everything. I am, right? Yeah. We'll have dinner beforehand. Okay, we'll have dinner. Yeah. So it'll just be space isn't real.

Whether or not I should. Listen, I do Conspiracy Social Club with Sam Tripoli. Sometimes he gets you, though. That's what's amazing. Oh, it's the best. What's amazing is when things you don't believe are true turn out to be true. Because that's the best. What's amazing is when things you don't believe are true turn out to be true. Because that's the thing. Like, hanging out with Sam Tripoli enough, you will eventually realize that there are conspiracies.

There are conspiracies. And there's a lot more of them than anybody wants to admit to. Yep. Sam is, a lot of times I find myself texting him going, Sam, you were right. Damn it! Isn't that crazy? I know! Isn't it crazy?

I know. He is. We had a whole, we have these, it's like WWE on that show. We just, you know. Well, he goes so deep into those goddamn things. He knows so many of them. And he starts bringing them up and you're like, what? But then we get into like nuclear bombs aren't real.

Yeah. How is that one catching? How is that? I don't know. How is it? Does anybody see that one they dropped in the ocean where you literally see the fucking this several mile high plume of water that comes out? I mean, look.

Probably wasn't several miles. Usually the people that are saying there are no nuclear, with all due respect, are saying there are no nuclear weapons. They usually don't have an advanced degree in nuclear physics. I know they've studied some nuclear physics, but they don't have an advanced degree that's all i'm trying to say you know it's like jeff die has a great joke he's like why does everybody talk about cryptocurrency or why is everybody tries to sell me on cryptocurrency i have three roommates in their 30s fucking great joke it's like amen so yeah that's good some of this stuff is uh i always there's that great quote he knows

enough this applies to me it applies to all of us we have to be careful you know enough to think Some of this stuff is, I always, there's that great quote, he knows enough. This applies to me. It applies to all of us. We have to be careful. You know enough to think you're right, not enough to know you're wrong. That's an important thing, especially as you're inundated with all this information all the time. Find that nuclear bomb detonated in the ocean around the battleships. Because I remember they did this. They had an idea of how big the explosion was

gonna be and so they they positioned these ships so like how far can a ship be to where the bomb goes off they were way off really Jesus yeah wait till you see what this looks like well did you see that that you've never seen this no did you see in Lebanon remember that explosion yes okay yeah that I think it was the it was a jet ski, and he was video taping it. So watch this. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Wait until it pans out, and you see how high it goes.

Did they detonate it underwater? Yeah. How many fish that killed? Everyone. All the fish. Are you kidding? They probably killed fish for a mile around. 100%. That's not the best view of it. There's a view of it from the shore. There's another one. All the fish. Are you kidding? They probably killed fish for a mile around. 100%. That's not the best

view of it. There's a view of it from the shore. There's another one. And that's all water? What is that? That's crazy. That's water. Yeah, the nuclear bomb shot the water like I don't know how high in the air. Oh my god. There's another one that, yeah, that's the one. This one's wild. I love this one.

Watch this one. So they deton love this one. Watch this one. Because they detonate. Oh. So they detonate this one. Look at this. Oh, my God. Watch how high it goes. It just keeps going.

Oh, my God. Oh. Yeah, look at this. Look at this, dude. How insane is that? Imagine seeing that. Oh, my God god look how high that fucking cloud is that's so and there's there's different angles of it where it's like a zoomed back angle where you can see the whole thing i've never seen that man fucking incredible now that's an atomic bomb not a

thermonuclear bomb exactly there's a difference. Yeah, they're more powerful. Yes, that is correct. So like the bombs that they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the ones that they have now are so many times more powerful. Well, I told you, I have dinner with Eric Weinstein and he comes in and he's all down. I'm like, what's up? He goes, oh, I think we have 30 years left. I'm like, here we go. He's very dramatic.

And he's like, we're going to miniaturize thermonuclear weapons. And with CRISPR-Cas9, we're going to be able to take viruses and manipulate them. And I was like, you have a point there. You have a point. Get to work. Hey, you, get a lab and get to work. Did you see that lab they found, the Chinese-operated lab that was in Los Angeles, in the L.A. area? No.

Yeah, they found some lab with mice that were in horrible conditions. There was something about them being infected with COVID-19 or they had. See what the article is. But it was like a bio research lab that was in some abandoned warehouse somewhere. California officials closed down bootleg Chinese lab brimming with infectious agents such as COVID and HIV. brimming with infectious agents such as COVID and HIV. In addition to pathogens, investigators found hundreds of chemicals, a thousand mice, many of them dead,

and bootleg COVID and pregnancy tests apparently developed on site. Well, that's not good, man. So they were experimenting with rats and mice to develop COVID tests? Holy shit. In a fucking warehouse somewhere with HIV. Oh, so they were trying to come up with tests. Who knows what they were doing? Who fucking knows? But the rats, or the mice rather, most of them were dead already.

Did you see where they put in the chat, GBT, come up with chemical weapons, and it came up with 40,000 different variants of a chemical weapon? Do you see this? Yeah. That's not good. No. There's a lot to worry about.

Yeah, Eric Weinstein scares the shit out of me with all that. We have 30 years left, talk. What do you think of this UFO shit? I don't think any of it's true. I feel like I'm being lied to. Me too. And here's the thing. I wonder if that's because disclosure, I imagine in my head that it would be this grand moment

and the clouds would part and we would figure out that we're not alone in the universe. And maybe this reality of what they're disclosing, that they have recovered alien spacecrafts, that they have biological creatures from another planet that they have frozen or from another dimension. They are in possession of both craft and biologics. They know that aliens are real. Maybe it's just that is so strange and so alien that my mind is not registering it as a possibility, even though it can be a possibility. If you just look at the stars in the sky and look at what we know about biology on earth, it's totally possible that this in this infinite universe has occurred other places and gotten to a much more advanced stage.

I love that they were able to cross galaxies and then they couldn't land no that's not the thing it's like the thing is you're if you even if you have like the most advanced spaceships like think about cars they're so much more advanced than they've ever been before thousands of people still die every year right in car accidents if you have electrical storms, and the very famous case in Virginia, Brazil, which James Fox did this documentary called The Moment of Contact. It's amazing. It's about this town in 1996 in Brazil that experienced just universal sightings. Everyone in the town saw these flying saucers and saw that there was this giant lightning storm and something appeared to have crashed. And these people went

to the site of this crash site and they said that there was biological entities. One of them was badly injured. This guy carried it. This police officer carried it. He put it in the back of a car. They took it to a hospital. They kicked them out, took it to another hospital. The guy who carried it developed a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure, and he was dead within two weeks. They didn't know what it was. There's documentation of them bringing this thing to these different hospitals. There's documentation of this guy dying of this horrible bacterial infection. There's all these eyewitnesses.

The town, when you enter into the town, has an actual statue of this fucking UFO that is in the center as you're entering into the town. They're famous for this incident. Wow. They said the U.S. Air Force sent a plane down there to recover the wreckage and return it back to America. This guy, David Grush, who's the whistleblower,

has exposed that they supposedly have a retrieval program for crashed UFOs. And that it's happened multiple times over the course of human history. This was what Bob Lazar was talking about in 1989. Why keep it a secret? I don't understand. Well, I think they don't want

to anymore. And I think there's part of it that it's not beneficial to keep it a secret. And that too many people who feel like this is an important thing that the world should be aware of, and that maybe this could actually be a uniting moment for us. If we realize that space daddy is really like watching everything we do. And like, there are something that's here, whether it's interdimensional, whether it's from another planet, that would be that would be very unifying, very unifying, you know, but I don't believe it's interdimensional whether it's from another planet that would be that would be very fine very unifying, you know But I don't believe it, but I appreciate you think what do you think is going on then?

Why do you think they're having these I think it's impossible to keep a secret especially a secret of that magnitude There's no way they're not keeping it. That's one of the things they have since the 30s according to these whistleblowers But have they because look Bob Lazar talked about this very program exactly in 1989. Did he? Exactly. But was he talking about a drone program? And do we have technologies that we are not aware of that can do things that make no sense? Perhaps.

It's kind of like the Manhattan Project, right? We might have some technological breakthroughs that we are not sharing with other countries. And that may be the case. The U.S. military may have game-changing technologies. Oh, yeah. That's certainly possible. That sounds more plausible to me. A lot of people think that's what that Tic Tac incident is.

Off the coast of San Diego in 2004, it's a famous one with Commander David Fravor. They have multiple instrumentation, the documentation of where this thing was. And it was at 50,000 plus feet above sea level and it went down to 50 in less than a second. It took off at an insane rate of speed. That's crazy.

That was 2004? Yes. Multiple jets, more than one jet that had visual contact with this thing They have video of this thing taking off They estimated that at the speed that it took off there was some sort of like Analysis of what it would do to a biological entity and like it would turn you into jelly It would just that the amount of force required to go that fast that quick It was something like I don't forget what the g-force was but it was something insane some some insane number of g-force that

it was taken off that fast like there's no way a biological entity would survive but the question is like why would we assume that it's a biological entity it doesn't have any windows is this round thing that looks like a tic-tac if there is some sort of advanced propulsion system some some revolutionary way of moving through space and time that the U.S. government has developed in some black ops program, that seems very likely impossible. That seems more likely than aliens visiting us. But there's more than one incident. And there's a lot of these things. And the possibility of alien life in the universe, although we've never experienced it, seems rational.

It seems very rational. And if you were going to study an emerging civilization that is both primitive and warlike and yet insanely technologically advanced to the point where they have nuclear weapons, they could transmit video through the sky. They have propaganda. They have tracking of their citizens like that's us. That's us right now and While we are these territorial primal beings with fucking nuclear weapons. This would be a good time Yeah to start exposing yourself. Yes, and to stop this nonsense and Santa and look The reason why we named the rooms of our club Fat Man and Little Boy is because in UFO lore, that's when they started showing up.

After the detonation of the atomic bombs in Japan, that's when the UFO sightings ramped up. And they ramped up mostly in the U.S., right? Yes. So that's interesting because the U.S. was the one with the nuclear power. And we were the one who was doing a lot of fucking testing. Yeah. And also, we have all these military bases. Who the fuck has more military bases than us?

No one. Who has more nuclear weapons pointed at other people than us? We have them all over the place. And there's all these multiple sightings and eyewitness accounts of like very credible people who say these things have hovered over military bases. It'd be pretty cool if uh these aliens were benevolent overlords and they were like hey my children yeah or maybe even so advanced intellectually that the concept of an overlord is preposterous and they're just biological management they're just there's just the gardeners tending to make sure the weeds don't get out of hand

and just like let this process continue to play itself out because this process of technological innovation is it's the everything that humans do yeah it's what we do at the pinnacle of our creation is we make better technology well i always wonder about fractals and whether or not like this idea of this being a simulation this being you know uh like we are we are kind of replicating we are creating machines and doing our best to create them in our own image right yes and that's interesting you know that's because our the the mythologies that we subscribe to are the idea that this god that we pray to made us in his image and we're doing the same

thing now with robots and and computers and that's an interesting thing that we see that we seem to have this sort of um paradigm this this this idea that that um that's the scaffolding for the way we think right and to what end and and why are we doing that maybe it's already happened but has it already happened are we are we the result of that that um impulse that happened way longer a long time ago i think we are the shit throwing chimps that are going to become the nuclear physicists that's what we are the shit throwing chimps from 2001 to become oppenheimer yeah yeah and then i think this thing that we become is integrated with technology it's probably some sort of a hybrid it's some sort of a cyborg that's one to become Oppenheimer. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think this thing that we become is integrated

with technology. It's probably some sort of a hybrid. It's some sort of a cyborg. That's wild. Because I think we're already like on the verge of merging, you know, all this talk of like Neuralink and all these various things. We watched this video the other day of this guy who is Googling questions and getting answers in his head with his headpiece on. Have you seen that thing? Yeah. Yeah. That's so crazy. Right? So how long before that is, like, that's Pong. I know. And then you have the Unreal 4 engine in 2023 that looks like a movie.

No, no. How long before that technology gets to the point where it's just supremely advanced? And we literally are like gods. But my question really is also the idea that that's engineering, right? That's a tool. It's innovation. But there's engineering. So there are two aspects to it. One is getting information faster and stuff, which doesn't get you closer to the truth, but it gets you information faster. There are endless facts. But more importantly, I always wonder why we are given this.

I really believe that human potential is pretty much infinite. Whatever you can imagine and beyond, we can do. And we are doing. We seem to be doing this. Think about how crazy that is. I can wear a headset and I can do things with my mind and look up the answer. That's insane. That's magic.

It's crazier than magic. But there's a way to measure that and quantify that and replicate that. So it's not magic. I can do it and I can tell you exactly how I get there, which is even crazier. So what is that leading us to? It is nudging us closer. I think it's very significant that we're getting a better understanding of what it's like to be someone else. We are.

very significant that we're getting a better understanding of what it's like to be someone else. We are. It's really hard to say that a Yanomamo Indian or whoever it might be is thinks about things differently than I do when I know so much about how all these human beings, like someone in Iran, someone in Jordan, laughs and cries and bleeds at the same thing I do. You know, we, we, it's, it's being prejudiced based on what that person looks like over there is

becoming harder and harder to justify where it was before we knew about that. We were like, well, those people over there are quote unquote savages or they're this, that, and the other thing. And I do think that we are getting a better understanding of what it's like to be each other and nudge and being nudged in the same direction. I I do think that we are getting a better understanding of what it's like to be each other

and being nudged in the same direction. I'm not saying we don't become tribal. I think that's true too. But why? And it's interesting to think about where that's leading us. To what understanding? To what understanding? And then when we have that understanding,

what are we going to do about that? Right. And are we going to pull it together? And are the aliens here to make sure that we don't fuck it up? Yeah. Yeah. That's the beautiful idea. The terrible idea is that it's all us.

And then it's all the big ruse and it's all just drones that we're doing because we don't want China and Russia to know about it. But we have insane propulsion systems that operate on gravity. Yeah. I think it is us. I hate to tell you. seems it seems like both it seems like us and it also seems like there's some shit that we we just don't understand and i don't know if those people are telling the truth because if the people that are telling the truth that there's biological entities and this is what jackie gleason said that nixon told him and nixon took

him on they were drinking you know that famous story no who knows if it's true it's it's a legend but the legend is that jackie gleason and nixon were drinking and that nixon said you want to see some fucking aliens and they get on air force one and they fly to some air force base and they go to a place where they have a crashed UFO and they have biological beings that are in freezers. And Jackie Gleason sees this. And Jackie Gleason after that has a house built in upstate New York that looks like a UFO. He became obsessed with UFOs after that. There was a house, it was actually for sale at one point in time. Wow, that's fun.

Yeah. So he has this house that he had shaped like a UFO. And this is like, who knows if this is a true story, right? Because it's like, it was kind of sort of disputed. His ex-wife told the story or something like that. I forget. I think that kind of thing is actually impossible to keep secret. No, I don't think so. Really? No, I don't think so. You think generational, like generations of government bureaucrats can keep something a secret? Sure. They tell the people at the very highest level secret. Sure. I don't think so. They tell the people at the very highest level know about it. It's very few people.

It's all very compartmentalized. They monitor everyone's phone calls, everyone's emails, everything everyone does. Impossible. At a top secret clearance level. No way. Impossible. I don't think you're right. Totally impossible.

You're definitely not right. I think it's impossible. Listen, man, they can keep secrets. When? People at high levels of military can keep secrets. Yeah, but they're always rotating out. They're retiring. You're definitely not right. I think it's impossible. Listen, man, they can keep secrets. When? People at high levels of military can keep secrets. Yeah, but they're always rotating out. They're retiring. They're dying.

Yeah, and they probably wind up fucking Hillary Clinton and a lot of those dudes. Hey, listen, dude. This is not conspiracy social. Might as well be. This is the Joe Rogan experience. I am not willing to relinquish the idea that they can keep that secret. Well, that's because it's fun to believe. Yeah, but it's not just fun to believe in. It is possible.

It's a physically possible thing to do, especially if you have the right people and they're indoctrinated in the right way with top secret clearance. And by the way, it's not like these people don't tell their friends. And it's not like there's a bunch of stories floating around because there are. There's a shitload of stories floating around. That's what I'm saying, but why would you

like, I would never keep that a secret. I'd be like, hey, you got fucking aliens. Here's the thing. When you have senators and congressmen who find out about this and they find out that military contractors are the ones who have access to this stuff because the back engineering program has to involve someone who has the capability of recreating this. So who would that be? That would be the people that make jets.

If you've got someone who's making you a fucking? Stealth bomber and you have a crashed UFO. Those are the people that you want Discussing like what kind of things you've recovered from a fucking alien crash and can this be replicated? No, here's a problem with your don't you know me motherfucker cuz you don't know you might be wrong You're wrong. No, no, no, don't say you're wrong because you don't know the problem with your theory ready? Okay, I'm sorry, and I love that you want to believe in this and so do I, but here's the problem. Okay. There's no law, there's no written law that says I'm not allowed to talk about aliens. And I mean at the level, the top levels of clearance, like the most secret level.

There is no world where if I'm a government official and I take a bunch of pictures and I come before Congress and I go, here's my evidence, I'm blowing the official and I take a bunch of pictures and I come before Congress and I go, here's my evidence. I'm blowing the whistle. There are real aliens. You don't think they would go after you for violating your top secret clearance? No, because it's not violating my top secret clearance. But it would be. Nope.

I don't think you're right. Because I'd never go to jail for that. I'd be like, you're going to put me in jail for exposing what everybody wants to know? The whole world would be like, holy shit, you guys kept this a secret? But that's assuming that you have access to that material to extract it from wherever the people... Maybe not. Maybe those are the kind of people that wouldn't do that, Brian. Listen,

you fucking communist. I don't like the way you think. I'm blowing... I'm shredding your UFO pants. No, you're not. You think you are, but you're just using these establishment talking points. You're allowed to talk about UFOs and you never get in trouble. You sound like your dad. Come on, man.

You're a CIA stooge. You're a CIA stooge. I'll call my dad right now. And you're in here spreading propaganda to the faithful listeners. Listen to me. Listen to me. There are no aliens. And if there are, we'd know about it because it's not against the law.

If there is, you're going to come back on Dressed Like a Clown Agreed? Agreed That's my bets I'm making with everybody now I'll dress up like a clown I'll do it

Okay I'll be ready Beautiful You going to come open for me at Cap Cities tonight? I can't I have two shows of my own You do?

But I'm excited to see your shows Great You're there this weekend Friday and Saturday I'm at Cap Cities this weekend No tonight Tonight Thursday Thursday Friday Saturday This will come out tomorrow so it'll be Friday Saturday. I'm at Cap City this weekend. No, tonight. Tonight, Thursday. I've got Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

This will come out tomorrow, so it'll be Friday. And then I'm in LOL Comedy Club in San Antonio, August 24, 25, 26. Then Salt Lake City, September 1 and 2 at Wise Guys. Wise Guys, the best. The best. There it is. Cap City's LOL Comedy Club, Wise Guys, and King Center, Saturday, September 23. Melbourne, Australia.

My man's going over the big pond. Melbourne, Florida. Oh. Not the center. I saw Melbourne. King Center, Saturday, September 23rd. Melbourne, Australia. My man's going over the big pond. Melbourne, Florida. Oh. Not the center. I saw Melbourne. King Center, Saturday, September 23rd. I was like, that's a quick trip. How are you doing that? Brian Callen. BrianCallen.com for my tickets. Alright. I love you, brother. I love you too, pal. What a great time. Thanks for doing this. Lots of fun. It's been a while, buddy. Alright.

Bye, everybody. everybody