The Joe Rogan Experience - #2018 - Post Malone

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Post Malone is a rapper, singer, songwriter, and producer. His latest album, "Austin," is available now.  www.postmalone.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. And we're up. What's happening, my brother? I'm hanging out. Dude, you look fucking great. I told you that when I saw you, but I want to tell you on air. You look fucking great, man.

You said you lost 60? Like 60. I was like 240. Now I'm like 185. That's amazing. Yes, sir. And you did it just by cutting out soda. 60. I was like 240. Now I'm like 185. That's amazing. Yes, sir. And you did it just by cutting out soda. Yeah.

A lot of shows. Yeah. Like shows, soda. Soda is so bad. It's so bad. It's so bad. But it's so good. I'll have a soda.

I'm a bad boy. And I have a monster energy. But Celsius is so good, too. Have you had one of those? Yeah, I have. They're good. It's so good. The key to those things is just every now and then.

That's the thing. Every now and then you reward yourself with a Coca-Cola. You're like, ah, this is nice. On these hot Texas days, I've been here. We did Dallas two days yesterday, back to back. Yesterday and the night before. I'm coming to see you tomorrow night. Let's go.

I'm coming to Houston. Let's go. Let's go. I'm coming to Houston. Let's go. Let's go. Did you buy tickets? Yeah. Aw, Joe, you didn't have to do that. Because if you said we hooked you up, I was like, what the hell? I didn't know.

But since you said you'd buy them, thank you so much for coming. My pleasure. My pleasure. I'm excited. Me too, man. I'm excited, man. But yeah, especially out in this heat, dude. Just like, you know what? I had a great show. You know what? I'm excited. Me too, man. I'm excited, man. But yeah, especially out in this heat, dude. Just like, you know what?

I had a great show. You know what? I'm feeling a little bit naughty. I'm going to have myself Coke on ice. Yeah. So good. Reward yourself. The problem is when people do it all day, every day.

Yeah. That's when it's just, your body doesn't know what to do with that kind of sugar because it's so unnatural. Your body never gets sugar like that in the wild. You get sugar in fruit. When you have like a glass of sugar water, it's just pouring right into your bloodstream. Your body's like, what the fuck is this? I like guarana.

Ooh, that's good stuff. That is crazy stuff. Yeah. It's naturally caffeinated or something. Yeah, the berries. It's crazy. Yeah. That's acai. That's the same thing as when you get an acai bowl. That's more on on that's the berries man I remember going to Brazil the first time and I was like, oh this is so good

Yeah, and I was also I was like bouncing off the wall fucking like I'm like, oh my god, dude. I feel crazy right now It's delicious. It's so good. What is that called? Guaraná? What is the name of that soda? I think that's what it's called by Antarctica. Is that what it is? I think it's an Antarctica brand. Not from Antarctica. Super legit.

I love it. They know how to eat over there, too. In Antarctica? No, in Brazil. Yeah. Guaraná, Antarctica. Yeah, there it is. That stuff's the shit.

Dude, and they give you a beer You go down to the Like the beach And they give you a beer In like this rock That's like ice cold Well I don't know if it's a rock But whatever it is

Ceramic I don't know But it's really cold And the beer is like The coldest beer I've ever had And it was so good On the beach It was so good

They know how to party down there On the beach in Brazil It's so fun Yeah it's great Great country We to party down there on the beach in Brazil. It's so fun. Yeah, it's a great country. We're going down there for a tour. Nice. So we got a lot of tours. So we're doing this U.S. tour.

Then we're doing seven days off. Then we go to South America, I think. So I'm excited. Wow. Have you performed in South America before? Yes, sir. Yeah? Yeah, rock in Rio and stuff.

It's so much fun, man. Yeah? They love music. It's like so much fun, man. They love music. It's so much fun. There's not an ounce of hate in the whole crowd. Everybody's just having such a great time. And that makes me more excited. Sometimes I'll go do these shows, a lot of more corporate shows,

where I'm just like, hey hey do you guys even really like me and know who i am so but it's like everybody there is just having so much fun right the corporate ones are weird right it's so it's i have fun but a lot of the time it's like you can't read the crowd because everybody's you know i feel like more like a like a jazz band or like a lounge band at a restaurant or something, you know. Right. Which is weird. It's weird.

It's weird that they want to pay that much money to have someone come and then it's just that you're a big name and it's like, look, we got Post Malone, but, you know, I'm over here talking to somebody. Right, right. Not paying attention. And, yeah, I don't know. You know, people who pay to come to the show, I'm like, okay, you guys paid. You guys definitely, you guys at least know who I am for sure. But yeah, I'm not sure. I can't read the crowd.

I went to my friend Dana White and he had a birthday party when he was 40 and they hired Stone Temple Pilots. Sick. It was sick. Sick. First of all, those motherfuckers performed like there was 80,000 people there. And it was one of those things where we had to get people to stop and pay attention. Guys, fucking Stone Temple Pilots is here. Yeah, I don't know.

They went hard. I mean, they did a full energy show. It was very impressive. It was very inspirational. It was like very inspirational. It's like, wow, these guys are at a birthday party and they're giving them fucking stone temple pilots. That's bad ass.

It was bad ass. It was amazing. It was amazing. I don't know if I could like, you just hear fucking interstate with interstate love song. And you're like, how do you talk? How do you not just like... Right.

How are you like, what the... I don't know. Well, just, you know, hobnobbing. That's the thing. Hobnobbing. And you go to those things, and everybody's already hobnobbing. So people are like social networking,

and there's people with motives, and they're trying to be more friendly with the guy at the top and this kind of shit and then all of a sudden but they fucking went hard they went hard like they had the best fans in the world and there was like 80 000 of them it was a fucking amazing show it was so impressive man it was so impressive another band with stone oh uh queens of the stone age oh those guys are great i want to see them so i have not seen them live but i had josh on the show how was he very cool guy yes sir very well we had a good friend in bourdain yeah he was good friends with uh bourdain too He's a fucking interesting dude though

Very interesting dude And their music is fucking It's so smart So interesting Yeah it's so smart Yeah it's It's so distinctive Like their music is so distinctive

Like you hear a song It sounds like them Right You know what I mean He's got a voice man And he can write a hell of a song Hell of a song Yeah it's just

I don't know like some of the stuff they do i'm like how do you even think of that right there's so many artists like that but i'm like in that setting and then that first record with with dave like just yeah banging on dude oh my god it's so it's so good yeah it's so good well Yeah, it's so good. Well, we're at an amazing time for art, for both music and a lot of other things, too. There's just so much good shit out there now. That's true. But I figured, you know, that the way things are moving, I got like four or five months before people like the Robot songs more than my songs. I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Because I hear some of them and I'm like, oh, man, that's so good, dude. Who wrote that? Was it Chad GPT who wrote that? Fuck, man, that's a great song. But it is a great song. But people will know. People will know. Sure.

Like, there's women that do not want diamonds that were made in a lab. Sure. Which is crazy, because it's just a diamond. Like, they have an ability now to man-make diamonds. They have some crazy machine and they compress carbon and they can make diamonds. But women only like them if they're coming out of the ground. Well, I know how to make gold.

Really? Yeah. I can turn anything into gold. I watched a video on it. You watch YouTube? Yeah. Alchemy? Yeah, I was watching a little alchemy video.

And so all you need to do is ferment your piss for like a year or so and then you're good. And then eat it. Oh, then eat it, by the way. You got to eat your piss? Yeah. That's how you make gold? Yeah.

I think so. That's what they were saying. People used to try to make gold. They used to try to figure out a way to make gold. Isaac Newton. Did he really? Yeah, he was super into alchemy. Like one of the smartest dudes ever.

If you could figure out, I mean, I guess back then they probably thought, I wonder if you can. I wonder if there is some way to do it with a certain amount of energy that we don't currently possess. Where you can take other metals and turn them into different metals. I mean, diamonds. I mean, that's a pressure thing. Spray paint. Yeah. You can make anything mean, diamonds. I mean, that's a pressure thing. Spray paint. Yeah. You can make anything gold, really.

I love gold. Fool's gold. Yeah. I have a friend who lives up in Alaska, and he owns a gold mine. Have you ever seen the Boneyard Instagram page? No, sir. It's insane. He's got this area in Alaska that apparently there was a mass die-off

there that probably had something to do with a comet impact. Somewhere around the Younger Dryas period. And there's tons of woolly mammoth bones there. He has warehouses filled with them. And it's all his land. And he's a gold miner. And he's

wealthy. And he doesn't give a fuck. This guy Johnny comes on here smoking cigarettes, telling the story of his life like and he's wealthy he doesn't and he doesn't give a fuck right this guy johnny comes on here smoking cigarettes telling the story of his life and he's got warehouses full of priceless stone you know bones these fucking ancient like uh cave bear heads and step bisons oh that's just that's just so drawer. This is the most valuable shit in the world. That's crazy. He's got warehouses filled with it. Was that an ariak? I don't know.

What the fuck? It's like a horn stem. He's got teeth and horns. They found certain cats. What is that? They don't know what that is yet. They found that. It's mummified.

It's a tiny little mummified creature. Oh, that's one of them Alaskan chupacabras. Yeah, they have to get that examined. He has so much shit. He's kind of an expert on it now, but he kind of has to bring people in to tell them, hey, what the fuck is this? Yeah, that's crazy. They just hose

the side of this cliff. They just hose down the permafrost and then bones start poking up. And then they go in further and they've just been doing this for years now. It's insane. That's so cool. It's fucking cool. You never know what you're going to get.

They find dinosaurs and stuff over there? They haven't found dinosaurs. It's all stuff from like 12,000 to 60,000. No, woolly mammoths and ancient elephant. Right. Yeah. So it's not. How long did they exist for? Did they hang out with and ancient elephant. Right. Yeah. So it's not, how long did they exist for?

Did they hang out with dinosaurs? No. Okay. So they were never hanging out with dinos. You never saw like a T-Rex or a Spinosaurus and a woolly mammoth hanging out? No. I'd like to go to that party though. I think the T-Rex would have ate them all.

You know what I just found out? This is fucking crazy. Sharks are older than trees. Sharks have existed before trees existed i get what like 50 million years before trees there were sharks that's crazy that's crazy so i i mean i don't know maybe it makes sense since yeah look at that here it goes so uh trees uh it's so weird to just talk about trees. It's like, did you hear sharks was older than trees?

Like they're two people. So trees as we familiarly know them, a primary trunk, large height, and a crown of leaves and fronds, didn't appear on the planet until the Devonian period some 360 million years ago. You might be surprised to learn that sharks are older than trees. They've been around for at least 400 million years. That's crazy. Yeah, it's fucking bonkers. So, I mean, did life come from the water?

Yeah, most likely. So, I mean, it kind of makes sense, I guess. But imagine just like what shark went up onto the land and became a tree you know what i mean i don't think it worked that way well i don't know how it worked i don't i wasn't there but there's must have been like some like some kind of amoeba or life form that slid up onto land and was like i'm gonna be i'm gonna be a plant i'm gonna be a tree. And then another guy's like, you can fucking be a tree. I'm being this fucking massive aquatic creature that can just bite anything in half. What's bizarre is when you think of the variety, just the sheer variety of life forms that exist on this planet.

Both plants and animals and mushrooms, which breathe air. Mushrooms breathe air like we do. That's pretty cool. Yeah, they don't do the photosynthesis thing. Well, now I feel bad. They don't. Well, don't. I just ate.

I think they want you to. I have a theory. He does. They're trying to get in there. Are they? Yeah, I think so. You should do an experiment and have a mushroom. You know how they do like how trees go towards the light? They end up growing more towards where there's the most light yeah if like the shroom

grows towards a human mmm like eat me I don't think grow towards humans but One of the if you ever heard of the stone date theory The stone date theories is there's this guy who's this, he's an ethnobotanist and like a psychedelic guru. His name is Terence McKenna and Terence McKenna had this theory and it coincides with the, there's a lot of interesting things about it, but it's about the doubling of the human brain size. Apparently the doubling of the human brain size is the biggest mystery in the

entire fossil record. Because it happened fairly quickly. It happened over a period of like 2 million years. I missed that boat. Yeah. I don't think you did, dude. I don't think you did. You're smart as fuck. Shut the fuck up. Thank you, sir. But this time period was when lower... So what happened was that the climate changed and the rainforest receded into grasslands. And so a lot of these hominids came out of the trees and they started experimenting with different food sources. Oh, there's like a whole video about it.

So these mushrooms grew on cow shit. So they've observed all these different primates flipping over cow patties and eating beetles and grubs on them. They would probably experiment with the mushrooms that grow on them. His thought was that mushrooms in low doses increase visual acuity, so it makes you a better hunter. It emphasizes a sense of community, so it would make you have better tribal interactions. That would benefit. It makes people horny that would benefit

breeding and then there's also like his brother dennis mckenna he explained it to me but i'll fuck it up if i try to recall it but it's essentially that some of the elements that now psilocybin interacts with your mind it helps the facilitation of language and he thinks that all those things coincided with climate change. So as these rainforest receded, these lower hominids came out, tried mushrooms, started eating them and kept eating them for millions of years. And that was a part of the diet. And as they did this, and as they understood what to get and what to eat, they looked for it and they ate it all the time. And it probably gave them a lot of ideas for how to make tools.

It probably gave them ideas like how to harness fire. And he thinks it's the source of human evolution. Shroomies. Shrooms. That's amazing. Amazing. I believe it. And they're illegal, which is hilarious.

Are they? Imagine that. Yeah. They're federally. I don't really leave the house. Yeah. They grow whether you like them or not that i have them there it's just my buddy duncan lived in ashville north carolina and they had so many

shrooms that were growing on cow shit that they started giving the cows a certain kind of feed to discourage the fungus growth they put chemicals in their feed to kill the fucking fungus, the most natural thing. Can you get in trouble? Say you have a bunch of cattle, right? Can you get in trouble and then someone from the DEA shows up and starts flipping over your patties? That would be a hard thing. I mean, they'd have to really be going after you because obviously that shit just grows naturally. And it's not like, you don't have to do anything.

They're everywhere. They're everywhere they're they're everywhere like duncan said it's like there's because the way um mushrooms work is there's spores right but then there's the most of that the what you see that pops out of the ground is like the fruit of the actual mushroom right the real mushroom is underground the real mushroom is underground. The real mushroom is the mycelium, the spore, all the stuff that connects all of the vegetable life, all the vegetation life form together. Does that have psilocybin? Some of it does. Or just the- I think just the fruiting bodies probably do.

Just the ones that come out of the earth are probably the ones. I don't know, though. I don't know that. But I do know- I wonder if there's like worms down there getting high as fuck. Or just like- They probably are. Little don't know, though. I don't know that. But I do know. I wonder if there's, like, worms down there getting high as fuck. Or just, like, little critters munching on. They're probably connecting.

They're probably connecting in some very weird way. They get to the roots and just take, like, a big... And then they're like, oh, my fucking God. Yeah. I'm so high right now. Just absorbing it. Absorbing it through the soil. They're just absorbing it.

Oh, the sea? That's good. Maybe. Ooh, imagine it's all just in there and then like you get some like shroom corn. So you can just eat like an ear of corn and get super fucking rocked. Well, you know, they used to accidentally get high because they would get ergot would poison their wheat and their barley. because they would get ergot would poison their wheat and their barley. So it's like a certain fungus that grows on wheat,

and it gives you an LSD-like effect. And they think that that might have been the source of the Salem witch trials. Wow. Because at the time where this was taking place, they had apparently had a late frost, or an early frost, rather. And apparently when they have an early frost, and apparently when they have an early frost, it makes these plants more subject to ergot poisoning. And then they did some soil samples and they did find ergot.

I think they might have even tested some things and found ergot in them. So what they think was happening was these people were getting bad wheat that had ergot poisoning. And so a lot of them would die. bad wheat that had ergot poisoning. And so a lot of them would die because like there was a big one, a big breakout of ergot poisoning in France a few years back, not a few years, quite a while back,

but it was the same kind of thing. Like a bunch of people died from ergot and other people were just tripping balls. I was going to make an ergot joke, but I was going to say, didn't he Jackman win an ergot? Does he have an egot, though? Sorry to go off topic. What is an egot?

It's like an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony, I think is what it is. Oh, that's what it is, right. Yeah, he's probably got all those, right? He's so talented. Yeah, that guy can do everything. He's missing an Oscar for that guy. Oh, come on, Hugh. How does he not have an Oscar for Wolverine?

I know. What the fuck? What are they, communists? What the fuck's going on? That guy's awesome. He's amazing. He was jacked, man. He got jacked for Wolverine.

He got fucking jacked. He's amazing. He does it all? Yeah. He's like Will Smith. Will Smith can do everything. It's so cool. Yeah.

There's people out there like Jamie Foxx. He can do anything. Anything. Anything. Bieber can do anything. Anything. It's crazy. It's so cool. Yeah. There's people out there like Jamie Foxx. You can do anything. Anything. Anything. Bieber can do anything. Anything. It's crazy. I'm like, what?

That's like just much like the double brain size thing. I miss the boat on those jeans. But you didn't miss it for making music. It's like your brain is designed specifically for what you do. It's what's beautiful. It's like you found the thing that your brain works perfectly for. Everybody's brain is different, man. Yes, sir.

Auto-tune really unlocked a whole lot of opportunity for me. So thank you, Antares, our inventor of said program. Don't you think that as ChatGPT can make Post Malone songs, people are still going to want to know it came from you. That's going to be more valuable to people. There's people that love your songs just because they sound good. Yes, sir. But there's also people that love your songs because they come from you.

Yes, sir. I understand that. I guess the thing that I'm concerned is pretty soon, you can still tell if it's an AI song, right? Right. Now. But the way that it's moving, like, I don't know. My buddy, Lou, Louis Bell, he produces a bunch of my stuff,

and we write together, and he's the most talented, smart dude ever. But he taught me about, like, epochs and, like, how many epochs a better AI like template is and pretty soon dude it's gonna be really really good yeah it's just going so fast so I don't know yeah but then they'll just do like a video it'd be like guys I made this song it's so emotional. This really comes from my heart. But it's just a robot talking.

I don't know. Not a robot. More like a deep fake or something. Like, guys, I wrote this song crazy. And it's just an AI song. And I'm like, well, fuck, that's better than anything I could have ever made. So I don't know. It's not going to be better.

It's not. I think there's a thing about something coming from an artist. You know, like as they're doing all these amazing, you know, AI images, they're very cool to look at. But to me, it's cooler if I know a person maybe. Right. It definitely is cooler. I don't know. It's just like I feel like we look at it different. I feel like we look at it different.

Like, I feel like the attention span is getting so short now with, like, short-form content and stuff like that, and it's super instant gratification. So it's like, why, as a fan of someone, right, even as a fan in a couple of years, I don't see why they're like, hey, I want Post Malone to make a song about this thing that specifically happened to me with the specific person's name in it, with this stuff. And this is super relatable to me. And that's what I want. So then you can just type in the prompt, all this shit, and it'll just shit you out a song and it'll be the most personalized experience for you.

That's weird. Isn't that weird? But that's exactly where it's going. Yeah, 100%. There's a ton of fake advertisements online right now of me selling products. It's just my voice.

This is the most amazing thing ever. Figuring out you never bought those boner pills. You never endorsed those boner pills. You never endorsed those boner pills. And I was like, oh, they're good enough for Joe. I mean, fuck. There's so many things that are selling. They're selling so many things.

I found like 10 of them. Yeah, it's crazy. They can get, it's pretty close. You can kind of tell when you listen. Something's off. Just there's like the uncanny valley i guess there's something off but well here's you do a podcast so talking about like epoch so i guess you you know epochs in like ai yeah so you have so many because your job is literally just talking

to silence yeah you know what i mean there's mean? There's no music. There's no background noise. There's no nothing. You're just having a conversation. Right. And so they can take all of your episodes and just run it through this thing. And so it's all your nuance and intricacies in the way you talk and shit like that. Your breath, all that stuff. They have all of it because it's uninterrupted

by music or background. They'll probably, they have all of it because it's uninterrupted by, you know, music or background. They'll probably even be able to figure out a way to get you to make noises you've never made just by knowing the range that you have that's possible. Like, ah? Yeah, like some kind of weird scream or something. Ah! Now they got that one.

But just, yeah. They'll be able to just know what the shape of your vocal box was. I think that's one of the ways that when they look at ancient primates, they test the size of where the opening of the mouth and what kind of sounds they could make and what that shit would sound like. Yeah. Yeah, that's so weird how like were they wrong about The noises that dinosaurs made I don't think they know I don't think they know me if you watch Jurassic Park

It's just whatever sounds cool cuz you like if you ask someone to make a dinosaur noise Yeah, they're gonna do like right, but what benefit would it be for a dinosaur to make noise? The thing is that no lizards make noise. Komodo dragons don't make noise. Crocodiles don't make noise. No reptiles make noise. No snakes make noise. So why would we ever think that dinosaurs would be so stupid that they'd just be yelling?

Well, rattlesnakes, exactly. They just run around, ah! Like scaring off everything they're trying to. It's alligator growl, they do growl. Okay, alligators growl? They don't roar. They don't bark or anything. Right.

That's a cool sound, for sure. It's probably a burp. He's probably eating someone's foot right now. Swallowing someone's fucking sneaker. Look at that creep. Fucking creeps. They're such creeps. They've been around longer than dinosaurs, too.

Oh, yeah. Or during the time of dinosaurs. They been around longer than dinosaurs, too. Oh, yeah. Or during the time of dinosaurs. They used to be so big, man. Oh, my God. They used to be so big. I like that noise. It's a pretty dope noise. It sounds like a fucking nasty growler.

It literally sounds like it's being amplified by a porcelain bowl there. Right. It's just like a long day. Long day eating fucking shrooms. It sounds like... Yeah, Sloppy Joe's and a couple of beers. Not the Sloppy Joe. long day long day eating fucking shrooms yeah sloppy joes a couple of beers not the sloppy joes

sloppy joes will get you son they will get you I mean it's almost like they come pre-digested you know it's gonna slip right through the whole system there's zero resistance with a sloppy joe it goes out the exact same way it came in. It's so fucked up, man.

Just lubed up and ready to go. I'm never going to eat another one again. They're delicious. They are so good. They're delicious. At a fucking barbecue, a good solid sloppy joe. Damn. Well, there's nothing solid about it.

Yeah, nothing solid. Yeah. A good one. You know? You've been eating Terry Black's? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah, we get it delivered to the club a lot, too.

They're amazing. It's just like, you can't have bad barbecue and survive out here. I'm interested about the move. Have you had, like, you found your, like, this place is amazing. Thank you. But the move here, because last time i was on we were talking it's been three years and that was right before you moved you said yeah and i don't know i love whenever i moved here it was amazing like the food fucking just blew me away like the

people are so cool it's just great being out of la yeah la look there's a lot of cool people in la i loved it i lived there for a long time. But it's so tense. There's so many people. And I don't think people are supposed to live that jammed up like that. I just don't think it's good for you. I mean, maybe it's different for other people. Maybe they like that feeling. I have friends that live

in New York City. They fucking love the beep beep. Fuck you. They love it. They love it. They love that crime is up. These people are maniacs they feel like they're real they feel like it's dangerous they're out there in the street sure but me i like to be i like to relax me too yeah i mean that's like i'm being on tour too and being in the hotels like and going to um because i lived in la for like five years and but being in on tour and being in the hotels like and like new york and boston and it is so noisy and then you go back to utah and you're

like oh my chirp chirp god it's crazy it's crazy yeah it's crazy it it's it's like it's night and day and you never really if you live in those environments, you never really notice it. You never really notice like a helicopter going by every 30 seconds or whatever. But then you're out in Utah and you're like, oh my God, this is so much quieter. I think there's just a, I think people give off something that probably we can't put on a scale. But there's like an energy that people give off. That's one of the reasons why people like crowds. I think people, when they're around a bunch of other people, they give off a kind of energy.

And I think when there's too much of that, like a place like L.A. or New York in particular, because New York is just jammed. Everybody's stacked on top of each other. I think there's this buzz that's like like, always there that some people really enjoy. It scares me. It's an anxious feeling for me. Yes. Like, being, whenever I was out there, I had my baby, and my doctor was out there.

So whenever her mom was, you know, towards the end of her pregnancy, and we were like, okay, we're getting ready. We had the baby in L.A. And so, like, we were there so we could see the we had the baby uh in la and so like we were there so we could see the doctor and you know she can go in into labor or whatever at any minute so we were there for a couple months and stuff and i would go outside at night and i'm like oh my god like it felt like impending doom for some reason helicopters fucking and there's just noise noise noise and i'm like it was so thick yeah i was like where is it all coming from you know like i don't know it just

gave it's such an anxious feeling for me to go outside and i'm like it's so like it sounded like i know it didn't didn't happen and i don't know what this sounds like but just like it felt like the aliens could invade at any time you know like it was just like I was like oh I know something's coming man it's scary you know well I think there's a thing that happens when there's too many people where people don't interact with each other too sure which feels weird because then you feel like all these people that you're running into like their potential problems or their potential threats or their potential annoyances like let me get away from these people sure and it's just that's not how it is when there's a few people right like when you

walk down the street in a small town and you see somebody like what's up dude no shit there's a person there yeah hey person my other person it's just when it's thousands of them and they're all around you nobody talks to anybody. Like, you don't strike up a casual conversation when you're in a crowded line filled with people walking down the street. Right. People don't talk. Everybody's got their own shit to do.

Yeah. And it's so weird. Like, you look at, like, even a hundred years ago, like, people would sit down, like, on a bench and just be like, what's up? Yeah. How are you? Like, and have, like on a bench and just be like, what's up? Yeah. How are you? Like and have like conversations. Yeah.

And I was, I don't remember exactly where I was, but I think I was in New York doing something. And there was a guy, I was doing like a show and we were in this building and there was like a smoking area outside. And there was this guy playing chess with himself. Wow. And my buddy goes up and he's like, hey, can guy playing chess with himself and and my buddy goes up and he's like hey you know I play chess with you and it was like yeah and that's just like how shit would have gone like yeah a hundred years ago but now it's just like I don't want to talk to anybody like you know it's so fucking

weird man it's just like we don't we don't have like that interaction cuz we got we got so much shit to do. Everybody got kind of hoodwinked into this idea that the key to a successful life is working more than you should. Sure. And that that's the way. It is kind of the way to get ahead. I mean, it is a competition, and there are people out there that are going to hustle harder than you. But if you're not enjoying yourself, if you don't balance it out with enjoying yourself,

you're going to have a shitty existence. And the whole point is to have a good existence, have a fun existence. It's not just about success, but everybody's so driven to just get ahead that it's hard for them to separate those two and realize there's a balance. Like you can't drink Coca-Cola all day.

There's a balance. You drink it occasionally, and that balance like you can't drink coca-cola all day right you know there's a balance right drink it occasionally and that that balance you can achieve it but it's very hard to when you got your eyes on the prize yeah you know yeah and that's finding finding that balance is the hardest part yeah i mean um i'm by no means the most talented person or anything like that, but I did work really hard and, and auto-tune fucking save my ass once again, shout out. But I mean,

work hard and get auto-tuned, but not too hard, but that's, I mean, that's it. You want to like taking the time and like having this baby was so cool, man. Like, it is so cool to be a dad.

And you're like, oh, man, this is what I was missing out. This is a magical, magical thing. Yeah, there's a bunch of my friends who don't ever want kids. I'm like, dude, I get it, but you're missing something. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. And I do not like that pressure that people put on people,

especially once they have kids. Well, it's mostly grandparents or like your grandma or something. It's like, when are you going to have a baby? But there's also a bunch of people that want you to stop being like Peter Pan. They want you to settle down. Never stop being like Peter Pan. Ever. Ever. I don't remember who I was talking to,

but I was like, the goal of life is to be a kid forever. For sure. Now with everything that we have in place right now, it's almost impossible. It's almost impossible, but that's the goal. The goal is to have

as much money as you need to never have to worry about it yes so so you can actually go and live life yes as a fucking kid and just eat fucking chicken nuggets and fucking go run around in the desert and go eat worms and shit well i don't do that but have fun exactly yeah have fun and people when they are serious about something especially like we're talking about people have their eyes on the prize they're trying to get ahead it's hard for them to disconnect and have fun my wife taught me how to do it i really used to have a hard time with it just have a hard time with vacations because i always felt like i was missing work yeah like stuff i should be right but it's just a mindset

that i learned how to like slide into and i learned how to chill at the end of the days too I never used to know how to chill at the end of the day I would just stay ramped up until I was tired wake up and go let's fucking go and it was just it's just not sustainable it's it is sustainable I did it for a long time but I think it's mentally sustainable right I think the mind is the, your mind, it's not a good headspace to be in all the time. You need to be enjoying this shit. You need to be able to just fucking, it's so timeless, but it's so true. Stop and fucking smell the fucking roses. Roses smell good, man.

They certainly do. They're beautiful. They're so cute, too. My baby was like, we had flowers delivered to the room, and she would hold it up to my nose and like, you smell this shit because this shit is so cool. And I'm like, oh, that's so cute. I feel like a baby knows that you can smell it, too.

She smells it and she wants you to smell it. Isn't that wild? Yep. She got the double brain. I got the same brain. Back to the vacation. Sorry, I wanted to say something about that too. Have you ever been, I don't know how your family is or how your buddies are,

but have you ever been on a vacation and the people who plan the vacation are super militant about the itinerary and you can't even vacation? Do you know what I'm talking about? I do know what you're talking about, but fortunately I haven't experienced one of those. It is cursed. I've seen people go through it. You're in this beautiful

place, and they're like, alright guys, so 6am tomorrow morning. You guys are up. It's like 3 o'clock, and you're all drunk, and everybody's like, all right, so you're going to get up at 6, right? You're going to be up at 6 to go fucking do something in the sun, and it's the hottest of all time after three hours of sleep.

And I'm like, yep, I'll be there. You don't want to be mean and be like, I'm not going. And then you get FOMO. I don't think it's mean. I don't think to be mean and be like, I'm not going. And then you also, then you get FOMO. I don't think it's mean. I don't think it's mean. I think it's kind of mean to tell you what to do. Yeah. Especially if you're on vacation.

Yeah, Greg. Yeah, Greg. No, I don't know Greg. Fuck Greg. But maybe it's some cool shit. Like we're going to go marlin fishing. We've got to be up at 5 a.m. That sounds cool.

We all agreed to it and we chartered the boat, so we've got to get let's go i caught a shark in the maldives did you really yeah really yeah it was super random yeah we went to the maldives and we started uh throwing lines out on the on the boat and we caught grouper and all that stuff. And we were using, like, just little inch pieces of bait and regular line. And I cast my line out, and I started bringing it back. And I was like, oh, I'm on a rock. I'm on a rock. But then the rock went, like, I was like, okay, maybe this isn't a rock. And so we sat and fought it for like 25 minutes, and it was a nine-foot nurse shark.

Holy shit. Yeah, totally on accident. Wow. With this much bait and just a regular line. Yeah, nurse sharks are, that's sad because that's a sweet shark. Of course. Yeah, yeah, of course. But I was like.

But she got a fucking hook in her face. Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course. But I was like... But she got a fucking hook in her face. Yeah, I know. It was so random. I was like, I thought I caught a rock, because that's usually all I catch whenever I go fishing. You know what's fucking weird? What's really weird about fishing is catch and release. Catch and release fishing is fucking weird.

For sharks? For any kind of fish. It's fucking... It's kind of weird. Why so? Because you're just doing it for fun. Right. Why so? Because you're just doing it for fun. Right. Sure.

Sure. You're not doing it for food. Sure. And you're essentially risking this animal's life. Sure. With a hook. Sure. Deep in its throat.

And you're hoping it's going to survive. What if you gilled it? Yeah. What if it got deep into the gills with like a Rapala with the big old treble hooks and it's bleeding internally and you know it's not gonna make me feel bad man no it's just a weird thing that people do it was an accident not you man i'm not even talking about that people specifically i've done it i'm not i'm a hypocrite i've done it before well you go catch and release fishing just because and just toss them back yeah

like people do that like oh yeah or you catch something tiny and you're like you throw it back with fly fishing is actually an argument that's not that big of a deal because fly fishermen a lot of them use barbless hooks so um so they can remove it very easily and then maybe the fish can even like get it free if it jumps in the air but when they catch them like a lot of fly fishermen are just catching releasing trout i've never been fly, but my brother's super into it, and he loves it. It's very relaxing. He loves it. You need a lot of concentration.

It's kind of like archery in that respect. It requires all of your concentration as you're casting the line, and you've got to figure out how to get the perfect amount of whip so it rolls over and the fly presents itself right in front of the water hole and you creep it with your fingers. You're doing everything with with your hands you're not reeling in with a reel sure you know everything is done with your hands you're kind of like even when you're like giving the the fish line like if it's really pulling and you already have a a tiny uh leader you gotta give them a little line you're kind of doing it with touch and feel it's very like tactile it's a

dance yeah it's very much a dance. It's the, what, you know, I love all kinds of fishing, but like if you go to like a Creek where people are fly fishing and you use like a spinner, like on a, on a,

like a, like a, like a regular rod, like a spinning rod, people will like, look at you like you're a fucking idiot. Sure. Like what's wrong with you?

You're a fucking barbarian. Yeah. We what's wrong with you, you fucking barbarian? Yeah. We're out here fly fishing. This is a dance. This is a gentleman's dance. With my parrying rod. These dudes are over there listening to fucking AM Republican radio. While they're fly fishing.

One of the crank ones. Hold on. Wait wait what'd he say there's a lot of guys that still listen to those political talk shows on AM talk radio I haven't even turned on a radio in a long time

it's been a long time if I had to use the crank radio I'd hope there was something on there, but I don't know. Bro, when I was a kid, no one ever would have thought there would be a time where radio wasn't like a centerpiece in everyone's life. Because when I was a kid, like in high school, in the 80s, it was like, what station do you listen to? Right. You know, I was a BCN guy. Sure.

Rock of Boston. And you got beat up by the KTMTs guys. Well, there's the AAF guys that were a little more hardcore. Those guys are crazy. Yeah. I know those fuckers. They're crazy. And then there's the Kiss FM guys.

I love Kiss FM. They went to disco. They were into going out to clubs. When did Kiss FM start? Well, there's been a lot of Kiss FMs, right? Because I'm 106.1 Kiss FM. Where's that one? Dallas, Fort Worth.

Yeah. I think there's a Kiss FM all over the country. I'm 106.1 Kiss FM. Where's that one? Dallas, Fort Worth. Dallas, yeah. I think there's a Kiss FM all over the country. I don't know if they're a Philly. I don't know what that is. Is that like a fucking chain? I don't know. Is it franchised? That's a good question.

How do you get a franchise into it? Because there's a whole lot of Kiss FM's. Yeah. Why does that sound so good? It does sound good. It sounds so good. Kiss FM sounds badass. But they had the jingle. Like, the jingle, I remember, because I used to fall asleep to the radio and then wake up to Kid Craddock.

Rest in peace, Kid Craddock. Like, such a legend. And, like, he got me through school. He was just funny and amazing. And, like, I don't know. It's just, I don't know. There's something magical about that but we lost that and

even watching like Succession cause I just got into it have you seen it? It's so good those actors are insane they like become those fucked up people well you're buying it hook line and sinker the whole cast is

insanely good. It's a dance much like fly fishing. Yes. But, I mean, talking about legacy media and stuff like that and just how, like, Logan, Joe Logan, that's a meme, wants to buy all these, like, legacy media companies, but the kids are like, no, no dad you're so old like this is not like yeah what's hot yeah but he's still trying to hang on to it and that's such an

interesting thing with like streaming and and like spotify and apple music and stuff it's just like the radio unless you really love the dj, I haven't turned on a radio. Yeah. I don't turn on radios. I don't even know how to work it in any of my cars. Fuck, they're so confusing now. One of my old muscle cars has an actual radio. Does it have a CD player?

No, it doesn't. I do have one car that has a CD player, though. I have a BMW that has a CD player. Or it doesn't have a compact disc player. It might have a compact disc player. Must be nice. That's a 2005. Was it? CD player and a compact disc player?

Oh, I meant cassette. I meant cassette. I was thinking cassette. Yeah, it's got a CD player. Yeah, it doesn't have a... Does it have a combo? I had a car that had a cassette player for a while.

Does it have the combo? You remember that transition? So they had to put both in? Yeah. So you get the CDs and the cassettes? You remember when they used to have a little handle and in? Yeah. So you get the CDs and the cassettes. You remember when they used to have a little handle? You could pull them out because people were stealing radios?

Blaupunks? No! They used to have, literally, there was a handle. So you'd go to the restaurant, hold it onto your stereo. Yeah. They would slide out. That's amazing. Because, bro, everybody stole radios.

They stole so many radios. It's the Alpine. You want the Alpine. And people were always selling them, too. Like, in a box at the fucking supermarket. Like, hey, bro, you want some stereos? Well, they'd sell them at the restaurant. Hey, man, go flip my radio real quick.

Or if you can't, instead of doing dishes, if you can't pay, you just like, here, hold on to the radio for a little bit. Weird how quick that went away. And what happened to, how come no one uses those steering wheel locks? They don't really work. They don't? I mean, maybe some of them do. I've seen people break them, though. Well, you could break, you ever watch a lock pick lawyer on YouTube?

No. I don't know anything about lockpicking. I want to learn. It seems like just a cool thing to learn, playing video games and stuff. I don't want to lockpick shit. Very James Bond. It's badass. Very Splinter Cell.

Yeah, it's cool. If you have a little lockpick tool in your box. That's badass. But to be able to pull that out is pretty cool yeah but the lockpick lawyer he can get into like anything yeah this is dude it's so cool man this see this is the this is the lexic lexus uh rx300 i love this lock um you know locks no sir but as you but as you see here with with this with this toy 48 with the toy 48 Man, he'll get in here so quick. Oh my god. You can get in anywhere and that's my favorite lock

So this is crazy. Look how he's doing this That's your favorite. Look how he's doing this. This is nuts. So they'll make they'll do like challenges for him and He'll just get in there, no problem. It is so, and I never was interested, but this shit is like, it's like ASMR. It is so fun to watch, and I'll just watch this all night. This is wild how he's doing this, where he's literally figuring out where the key slots are and pushing it into place. So these cards are pretty cool. and pushing it into place.

So these cards are pretty cool. So they make them for specific locks. Wow. And you can just get in there and find... That's crazy. Like all the grid and all the indicators and shit like that. I don't know exactly how it works. Don't listen to me about it. And so is that a complicated...

Oh, so that's how it works. Oh, wow. I just saw him explaining a bump lock is in the same kind of thing. You can get in anything with the right key. Just bumping it hard enough. Wow. And they explained how that works. Look at that.

Look at that. Isn't that cool? That is fucking crazy. But you got to wonder, who invented the lock? John Locke? That's a good question. I believe his name was John Locke. Thusly named.

Like, what was a lock before a lock? Right? So maybe it was his name. Trust, I don't know. What would you say? Would you lock something up? What would that even mean? Nothing. Before locks, people used to have to put boards inside their house to keep people from opening their doors.

Or just like a nice ritualistic symbol on the front of their door. Like, don't come in here. Yeah, right. Well, like they would do with, what's his name? Krampus. Put this dead goat and paint the blood on your front door. Like, don't come in here. That would work.

I think that would work for some people. To this day. No, to this day. If someone comes up and tries to get into your house and you have painted in blood this crazy rune, I don't think they're coming in. Unless that's what you're into. Maybe so. You'd be like, bro, that's my rune. Maybe you just get the craziest robbers of all time and they're like, well, he's got some cool shit in there.

Yeah, I like how you live. He doesn't even want to hurt you. He just wants to hang out. He's like, hey, man. Can you introduce me to Satan? Yeah, exactly. He's in the basement right now. I can introduce you to Satan, bro.

It's no problem. Yeah, come on in, man. He's fine. It's tea time. The kettle's on, sir. We're going to call him. Never call Satan after 3 a.m. It's bad.

That's when he gets evil. Never call the imposter from Among Us after 3 a.m. The imposter from Among Us? What is that? You know the imposter from Among Us. No, I don't. You never played Among Us? No.

No. What is it? It's like a game. I don't know. It's a game people used to play. No, I don't. You never played Among Us? No. No. What is it? It's like a game. I don't know. It's a game people used to play. Oh, I never played it. It's like a meme. You know this guy.

You know this guy. I don't. Don't trust him. I don't. I never played that game. Don't trust him. The guy with the leaves on his head? Any of them.

Any of them. You can't trust. So it's like, you got to guess who the killer is out of all of them. I can't believe I'm talking about Among Us on Joe Rogan. This is amazing. I don't know. You know what it is, Jamie? You do?

I don't know what it is. It got big over the pandemic. Oh, it did? Oh, so it's recent? It was a game that you play with your friends. Oh, interesting. Some would debate it's for babies, but it's pretty fun. I don't play it.

Why would they say it's for babies? I don't know. Just because, like, babies play it sometimes. Much like I don't play it. Why would they say it's for babies? I don't know. Just because babies play it sometimes. Much like Fortnite. Sorry, Fortnite. Babies play a lot of things. That's true.

They play cool shit too. But that's true. They do rose smelling. Yeah. But it kind of got like, it's kind of, it kind of got memed a little bit,

the Among Us thing. Interesting. Yeah. It's weird that some people like things until they find out the type of other people that like it sure and they're like i don't like this thing anymore well dude you remember how big how big uh uh what is it the facebook well meta the metaverse or whatever how big that was supposed to be the vr thing yeah right and so

i just watched a thing um by a guy named jarvis johnson and he went in and spent like a week playing like 14 hours a day in the metaverse and it's all just kids. There's like, so they said it was going to be huge, huge, huge. There's 900 people on it and they're all kids. And he would go everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. And it's all kids to the point where there was an 18 and up like bar and you would have to hold your arms out and they would measure your arm length to make sure that you weren't a kid. Isn't that crazy?

That's, I don't know, man. It's just like, that's bizarre. It's crazy. But it's just like, well, that's weird. If someone's, oh wow. Arm length. Verification. What if someone's really tiny?

Right? Like, what happens to little people? Yeah, what if it's, like, just a guy with a short wingspan? Yeah. Yeah, you're fucked. You can't get into the bar. But that's all right, because there was two people in there. But the whole thing is, you're hanging out with kids?

That's bizarre. It's weird, man. That's a different thing. That's like an interactive thing. Right. Not like if you're playing a video game and it's just you versus the computer. And these kids, well, these fucking kids at these multiplayer games are so good. Yeah, they have no life.

It's crazy, dude. No mortgage, no family. I miss those days, man. No aspirations. They know when food is coming. That's what I meant by whenever I said the goal of life is to be a kid, I meant like don't pay taxes. So I haven't paid mine.

Just joking. That's a joke too. Yeah. Go to Puerto Rico. You don't have to pay taxes? Well, there's a weird thing. If you live in Puerto Rico, it's like 51% of the time or something like that. I forget what the percentage is.

But you just roll the dice? You don't pay federal taxes. How do you do that? Because if you claim Puerto Rico as your residence, I'm going to fuck this up, but Peter Schiff explained it to me, but that's why Jake and Logan Paul, they live in Puerto Rico. You don't have to pay taxes. Do you watch the fight? I did.

What do you think? It's a good fight. Jake did a great job. He's very talented. He's big. Yeah, he's a big fella. Yeah. He's a big fella and Nate is definitely smaller than him, definitely doesn't hit as hard as him. And Jake has a lot more experience in professional boxing now, for sure. But he's legit. Legit fighter. I mean, yeah, he looks good. I mean, I just love watching Nate

fight. He's an animal he is amazing he is like one of my favorites to watch and I was super pumped it came on after the show in Dallas the first night like two nights ago

they're talking about having an MMA fight which would be a way different fight I want that fight yeah that's a way different fight that's a way different fight I feel like

and I've never been in a combat sport before but like it's it changes everything. Changes everything. Like, you see Nate kind of getting up against the rope because he wants the chain there. Mm-hmm. You know?

Right. Like, because he's getting up against the rope, and I'm like, oh, in MMA or UFC or whatever, you can get up against. You tie him up. Right. But I don like oh and MMA or UFC or whatever you can get up against you tie him up right but I don't know it's totally different it's totally different but Jake is a very good wrestler he he's he's a great athlete very good fighter and and I know he's never done an MMA fight before but if he had one I think he'd be good at it I think he'd be good at it. I think he'd be good at it just like he's good at boxing. He'd figure it out. He's built crazy. Yeah. Like, looking at him since his first fight.

He fucking trains hard. He's big. To go 10 rounds like that with Nate constantly coming forward, you've got to be in some serious shape. Serious shape. That's also a lot of experience, too, because you've got to know when to hit the gas and when to back off. Right. You can't just fight full blast for 10 rounds. It's not possible. that's also a lot of experience too, because you got to know when to hit the gas and when to back off. When you're in a lot, you can't just fight full blast for 10 rounds. It's not possible.

I had to do, I was just doing, so we filmed a movie, some, a scene in a movie and I had to go in and do voiceover for the movie for dubs. And they were telling me to throw fake punches. And I did it for like 10, not even full on for 10 minutes.

And I was like, oh, my God. I was so fucking sore. And I was sore for the next week. I was like, yo. And then you look at like 20 minutes. How long are the rounds? Well, it's 10 three-minute rounds. 10 three-minute rounds.

30 minutes of boxing. That's insane. It's insane. That's insane three-minute rounds. 10 three-minute rounds. 30 minutes of boxing. That's insane. It's insane. That's insane. That's hard. That's hard to do. You know what's a great workout? The VR boxing games.

Have you ever fucked with any of those? No, sir. They're great. I'm in the metaverse, man. I'm playing Among Us in VR. They're great workouts that are in a game because you actually are boxing the guy. You have these handsets on the handsets are your gloves so you actually throw punches and you move away from their punches

and it shows you when you hit them and it measures your goggles too so it knows where your goggles exactly where you're at that's cool so as your head moves the punches slip by you can duck under them and hit them with uppercuts so we already is it like multiplayer no it's your single player oh i didn't know if you were fighting like real people. Cause I was like, imagine like, Oh fuck. I'm a 12 year old at my house and I got a box Joe Rogan.

You can do that in fencing. I know in fencing, you can have a fence off with each other. I bet they have a thing for boxing where you could do it against someone where you both on opposite sides of the room and you're boxing each other. Well, I didn't, what's your,

if you send me your gamer tag. so if I ever go up against you. I don't have a gamer tag. I don't have a gamer tag. Gamer tag is also quite old, I think. I don't know. I don't know. I used to be an Xbox guy. Now I'm just a PC nerd.

Yeah? Just PC? Yeah, man. What do you play? I'm playing Diablo right now. Diablo. Oh, my God. That steals your life

it steals my entire life on my day off on my days off I go and I play and I'm like oh I'm good man I only played for like 14 hours today

you play? no I do not my friend Duncan is a full on junkie so is my friend Brian and we were both watching video clips of it the other day

and I see it I get it I get how it roped you in. It's that dopamine of seeing all the numbers pop up. You're like, oh, I did 9 million damage to a fucking demon. Yeah, there's all the numbers and the graphics and the craziness. And you see them coming towards you. There's a lot of anticipation.

Yikes. Yeah, it's good. It's good. It looks like fun. Do you play anything? Not anymore. No? No, I used to be a hardcore first-person shooter junkie.

I used to play a lot of Quake. Modern Warfare 2? No, Quake. See, you're harder. You're harder. I used to play Quake online. I had a buddy that used to play Quake. And the competitive scene for that in the early 2000s was crazy.

Yeah, insane. Insane. You have to know all the map, and you know where they're going. It's like FPS chess it's pretty it's pretty cool to watch it really is because you have to know when like certain items are spawning yes sir mega health a rocket launcher you got to get to it before your opponent does nerd yeah that's so cool that's were you any good oh it's pretty good that's amazing that's so cool dude we used to have uh a quake land party set up here this this is crazy quake three that's quake three arena right

quake champions quake champions that's the only what was the what was like um e like unreal no it was it's a quake game it's like look at that this game you react that how do you hit that guy well you're moving so fast in this game it's just constant juice for your brain your brain is just constantly getting stimulus it's so fun Wow yeah this guy's good whoever's Yeah, this guy's good. Whoever's playing this, this guy's good. But look how, like, tuned in he is. He's just in a trance. He knows where he's coming from. He knows exactly.

You've got to memorize these maps, dude. And how quick he swiped. Wow. That's insane. Did he get him through the grate? He got him as he was going down. That was great. He reeled him.

Look at that. This guy's insane. This guy's so good man so he's running around getting all the health and getting all the armor and shit see he pre-shoots that in case he's coming down there wow he is rocking this guy yeah this guy's a killer whoever the fuck this guy is this guy has no life guarantee you that motherfucker's playing that game all day man i only played for 14 hours today what do you mean the thing is you could be like real successful in that game yeah you get the same rush out of being

successful in the real world it's true yeah more of a rush really it i don't dude it's so so gaming for me is like like i mentioned before i don't leave the house very much so like gaming for me is like me time. Yeah. You know, everybody likes the multiplayer games and stuff, but I'm like a single player guy because I'm like, whenever I get to actually sit down by myself, not on tour, and then the baby goes to bed and mama goes to bed and I can just go and sit yeah have a nice nice drink and a smoke in my

game room yeah and just fucking like yeah just total get austie time yes you need austie time yes sir you do everybody does you really do it's good for your mind just for for me again like why are we doing this you're doing this to enjoy yourself. All this life is supposed to be, you're supposed to be enjoying yourself as much as you can. I mean, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Every,

everybody's got a lot. Everybody's got a lot. You take that second. You take the, don't be fucking scared to take that second for yourself. You deserve that fucking second. But earn that second too. Earn that second.

But then you feel that second hit so much harder. So much harder. Whenever you're like, oh man, I'm fucking working my ass off. Abstinence makes the heart grow fond. Abstinence? Yeah, just Yeah, I'm abstinent. Having

you know, just a little break from things. Well, how do you find time, Joe? I make it. Force it. Just force it. Give me one of them Bud Lights. Fuck it.

You got it. Let's go. They're cold, too. We've been drinking Bud Light consistently on this show. Yeah? I'm sure the comments are afire with those folks that like to get riled up about stupid shit. Well, that's what I said, you know. those folks that like to get riled up about stupid shit.

Well, that's what I said. You know, before the show, I was like, just back to the conversation we were just having. There's not a lot of comfort in the modern world, man. And I've been drinking this forever. Yeah. Gives you comfort. I'm drinking my fucking... God damn it, I'm going to drink a fucking beer, Joe Rogan.

Yeah, a Bud Light, too. I'm gonna drink a fucking Bud Light, and it's yummy. Forget about everybody's outrage. Settle down, everybody. Relax. They fucked up. Just let them off the hook. They fucked up this one thing.

It's not even that big a deal, but when Kid Rock shoots your fucking beer, it's game over. It was a cool MP5, though. It was. It was a cool gunp5 though it was a cool gun when kid rock but that's you don't want to you first off you got to buy the beer and you know how much ammo is nowadays so it's just an expensive publicity stunt but i think it was well worth it well if you look at the impact that it did that's what's crazy i think people are just looking for shit to get annoyed with lately? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's interesting.

And I love watching the show because it's so, you just talk. Yeah. You just talk, and me and my friends, my friends we say you know it's nice because you don't have any judgment and you listen to to people talk and you actually have a conversation which is really nice well in this age of short attention span it's that shit doesn't appeal to everybody there's a lot of people that aren't interested in that right and they're interested in long-form conversations they're interested Right. And they're interested in long-form conversations. They're interested

in reading books. They're interested in just listening to music just for the sake of listening to music. Right. You know, there's still people

like that out there. This idea that everyone's just short attention span dummy, that's crazy. That's not true. There's always going to be people that are interested in things. Right.

And want to be stimulated. Is that the popular well i mean for you yes you crush it you crush it well it's it works for me but it works for me because that's actually what i like yes there's no there's no bridge between what i'm interested in and and what i'm talking about. Right. It's just right there. It's right there. You love what you do. Yeah.

And there's no executive. There's no producer telling me what to do. There's no one. There's no network. So it's just me and people, me and you. And that's missing in this world. We're getting too much of what we get is filtered down. Even if it's the news filters it's going through people

it's getting approved what can you talk about what can you not talk about what do you highlight what do you not highlight what causes death that you pay attention to and what causes death that you ignore that is that's what the news is sure so it's just we get it from everything and so we always have this uneasy feeling like whoever that person is is telling us the news they're not being a hundred percent real with us because they're not even talking real today at 5 p.m we learned that there's a way they're talking where you know that it's not a fucking sure that's not a human and when they're trying to be a human it's even grosser it's a show yeah and when they're trying to be sincere it's even grosser. It's a show. Yeah, and when they're trying to be sincere, it's even grosser because it's like performative.

You've always been performing as this news guy forever, and now all of a sudden you're the real person. Right. Cut the shit, man. What is that? It's weird. It makes us feel weird. And that might not even be as human as they're even being. It's not their fault, you because that's what their that's

their job that's their job you know that's their that's their job to go up there so if you do show that human moment it's like and then you look at it and you're like oh is that actually real oh everyone thinks that's fake you know but maybe you know they do feel sad genuinely it's just so hard if you tell a sad story on the news and it's like you're reading off a teleprompter yeah you know what i mean it's it's interesting it is it's weird that we still need people to do it too like we want a walter cronkite type person or some respected journalist some mike wallace some barbara walters someone who like when they're talking there's one i know i know barbara walters yeah there's one I know. I know Barbara Walters.

There's, well, you know, not when she's on The View, but the olden days. Sure. When she would do investigative journalism. What days? I'm 95. I'm 95. Bro, she's pre your time for sure. She's pre my time.

She was, I think there's like some crazy thing where Barbara Walters and Frank and Martin Luther King jr. were born in the same year is that true did I just make that up I think Anne Frank and Martin Luther King jr. and then like one other she's born in 1929 what son yeah yeah yeah that the lady's seen some shit that's when people play chess with each other and frank was as well right yeah that's crazy born the same same year you didn't make that up no sometimes i'm wondering no no me too i definitely said the, like, sometimes people tell me something, and then I don't look it up, and then I'll just repeat it.

Yeah, that's a whole other thing. That's a whole other thing. Yeah, you got to, like, look things up. Dick Clark. Audrey Hepburn. Arnold Palmer from 1929? Let's go. The golfer?

Wow, he was born in 1929? I thought he was the drink guy. Oh, he made the drink guy. He did. I prefer myself a John Daly. Which is the John Daly? That's vodka and Arnold Palmer. John Daly's a wild boy.

Oh, man. That fella. What he can do is amazing. He's known for being a dude who parties. Sure. And he's one of being a dude who parties. Sure. And he's one of the best golfers ever. Yeah, man. I don't know.

That's why, like, I don't know. Look at him out there. Dude, that's such a wave right there. Smoking a cigarette. Smoking a stogie and just fucking. Big gut. Plays like a fucking wizard. He looks like a wizard.

He does. He's giving me big wizard vibes on this one. I mean, the guy's been doing it a long fucking time. Many a man is in the ground that was thinking that John Daly was never going to make it. I'd be pissed. It's like, you ever play Mortal Kombat and Bo Rai Cho? Who's Bo Rai Cho? He's the guy that was always drunk and he would puke on you.

And then he would always kick my ass in the game. So, imagine, that's kind of like not to not to compare john daly to beau right show from mortal combat but just imagine you're out there and you go so hard and you go you're like doing all the best training and all this shit and this guy just comes out with a fat dude with a john daly and then just fucking hits the craziest shot. I mean, oh, my God, man. There's some guys that don't look like they should be pro athletes or pro anything with your body, and yet they're as good as anybody alive. Yeah.

I mean, like, big country? Oh, yeah. Roy Nelson? Yeah. Roy Nelson put people in the neighboring dimensions. That dude hits so hard. And, by the way, he's like a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. He was an elite grappler.

I met him way back in the day, way before he had any MMA fights. And he was just a really elite grappler. But then he starts fighting in MMA and knocking people unconscious. And can take a shot as good as anybody that's ever lived. The beard is padding. Have you thought? They used to say that with boxers. They used to make them shave their beards.

Shave them off. You couldn't have a big hairy beard because they really did think that it was padding. Well, yeah. Well, that's what I was talking to somebody and they were like, hey, do you think it's like way, way, way, way, way far down the line to where like men grew beards because they were fighting each other? And they're like, okay, we'll get a little padding. And it just grew over time. No, I think they hadn't invented razors. That's true.

No, but how evolutionary? How did it grow? How did it start growing? It went away. I think we had hair all the way up to the top of our face. But why would it stay there? Why do we have armpit hair? It's a, like. Why do we have armpit hair, Joe Rogan? It's a good question.

Why do we have ball hair? Yeah. What's up with asshole hair? So you can style it, of course. So you can braid it. Keep your asshole warm. No, the asshole hair is for catching dingleberries, and everyone knows that. It's for a little snack for later.

Oh, God. I think what it is is we used to be covered in hair. It's pretty obvious. And then when the aliens came down and manipulated our DNA, they turned us into this. This weird hybrid thing. I wish they turned me into that. I wish they turned me into that. How did I get stuck with it?

I always miss the fucking cool shit, man. Dude, I think if that is the case, if we were really truly created by aliens that would be the most bizarre of all the possible if we're still the same thing yeah but if we knew that that's how we came about that would be probably the most bizarre thing ever from creation or like crossbreeding like crossbreeding yeah yeah or like some genetic manipulation you know it's so weird it's who fucking knows but thinking about why are the depictions of aliens since recorded history why are they always bipedal why do they always have the same face and eyes as us like yeah why why big giant eyes why is that why is that because i don't know and people are like oh you know people would be like

well they're just like you know know, they made this up. They look like humans. But what if we look like them? Yeah. Or what if whatever we're being visited by now is just humans from the future or humans or another offshoot of humans from another dimension. Yeah, a lot of people speculate on all those things. At the risk of sounding crazy. You know what's interesting about aliens too?

Aliens, they always have eyes facing forward. And in nature, things that have eyes facing forward are generally predators. Sure. Things that have eyes on the side, like a deer or a pronghorn, they're looking for shit coming at them. So they're looking left and right.

But when something has eyes going forward, it's looking to attack, generally. Like cats and wolves, they have eyes facing forward. And aliens have eyes facing forward, which is interesting. I don't know. Do you think if there is actually who's to even fucking say what an alien even fucking looks like they could just be a blob of fucking energy or whatever the fuck but if we do like personalize them like that which we as humans tend to do it makes it easier to fathom you know what i mean i couldn't fathom a being in here that's just a glob of dust

or a cloud like i'm like whoa that's like this is insane but if i look at it from like uh oh you're like me you know what i mean as far away in the galaxy as you might be from oh you look kind of like me but well just think about the me when you say me it's very intangible right it's not like my hand my hand is right here right but my me like who i am my consciousness like where the fuck is that where's that is that inside of me is it is it a part of me is it all of me together whatever it is it's like you like your consciousness is like this very unique energy. That's you. And mine is me. And everybody has a different one.

And it's what the fuck is that? Yeah. That's a weird thing. It certainly is. You know, whatever it is inside of your mind that's moving you around and responding to questions and finding what you're interested in and pursuing your goals like that. Whatever the fuck that thing is inside of you that energy is very strange and it is it's just super weird i remember you asked me if i wanted to smoke and i can't i don't really smoke anymore um and i actually talked for the longest time in my whole life i couldn't really um explain this i couldn't like really like bring it to like words and try to explain it to where I wasn't like

where just because was uh it made no sense but I talked to a couple of my buddies and they were like oh it's the same thing so a lot of my friends from smoking weed, it's like almost like a depersonalization thing to where it feels like for the longest time since I had I smoked one bad joint. And for the longest time ever since then, it's felt like I've been almost like watching my life happen instead of actually like living it. Does that make sense? It does. instead of actually like living it does that make sense it does if you had like an episode like if you smoked one bad joint and you got way too high and you had like a break like some sort of a schizophrenic break or some sort of strange episode and and it just feels like a lot of the time it's like it's like i'm not doing it it's like almost as like I'm watching it happen.

Still to this day? To this day, a lot of the time, yeah. And it happened because of that one time. I had never felt it in my life before that. Wow. So it's like, and I talked to my friends and they were like, oh, that's like depersonalization. I don't exactly know what happens or what goes on but it's a pretty like common thing i feel like for people who have

had a negative experience with like thc or something yeah there's or whatever the fuck was in that joint that i had in la that one time you know right you don't know what was in it that's true too maybe it was just fucking LSD or something and it like totally just like caught me and but I felt different like to this day I still feel different that's so weird but it could just be THC this guy Alex Berenson wrote a book about it it's called tell your children and uh it's about how there's a certain percentage of people that especially with high dose thc they can have a schizophrenic break or a psychotic break something goes wrong i used to smoke crazy i used to smoke a lot like do the volcanoes and all that shit that's so fun it was so one time one time one time wow that's crazy one time maybe there was something in it i don't know

you know when you're just getting a joint something in it. I don't know. You know, when you're just getting a joint from some dude, you don't know the chain of custody. Yeah, no idea. Where was this cooked up? No idea. Ron White was in the green room at the club one night, and he pulled out this joint.

He goes, this joint costs $75. I go, what the fuck is that? He goes, got it from Beverly Hills. I go, keep that shit the fuck away from me. So all these other guys smoked it. Brian Simpson smoked it. Duncan Trussell smoked it. And they went on stage. And Duncan said he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.

He was like, what did you do to me? What the fuck? I thought it was weed. But they get these joints now and these crazy dispensaries like in L.A. You know, it's legal now. So they're lacing them with THC. They got THC crystals in them and keys in them.

These are not regular joints. These are for dudes like Be Real. The kind of shit that he smokes. Be Real from, shout out to my man Be Real from Cypress Hill. This is explicitly for Be Real. That is the only man who can smoke this joint.

That dude is stone cold sober no matter how high he gets. That is crazy, man. I wonder, like, a lot of my buddies are like that too, man. You have to smoke a lot to feel high. I can't keep up with those fellas. I can't keep up with those fellas. I did his smoke box show where they get you super high and they put you in this dope car and they have cameras in the car and you sit there and just smoke each other.

You just hotbox the car? Hotbox the car. And it's ridiculous. I was so high. I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about. I was like, I got to get out of here. I got to go to bed. I'm convinced, too, I get secondhand high from my green room.

Oh, you definitely do. Because my body's fucking blowed down. You definitely do. I've seen people get secondhand high from me in this room. I've seen it where all of a sudden they have a hard time remembering what they're talking about. I go, bro, you got high. You got high whether you liked it or not. And maybe I am high.

Maybe a little bit. Maybe a touch. It's nice. I had a stint, too, where I tried to smoke maybe two years high. Maybe a little bit. Maybe a touch. It's nice. I had a stint, too, where I tried to smoke, like, maybe two years ago. Yeah. And I was like, it's amazing. But then, like, just shrooms is, like, for me, like, just so much more fun for me.

Shrooms should be legal. Yeah. Because, I mean, if you are, I mean, I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist. And if you're vulnerable, there's something wrong with your mind, you probably shouldn't be doing any kind of psychedelics. But that's the case with a lot of stuff. But for everybody else, just a little bit, just a little bit every now and then would make your life a little better. Well, it's interesting you said that, too, because now I talk to a bunch of my buddies, you know, who have served, and they said, oh, they're giving them psilocybin to help with, like, PTSD and shit like that. Yeah, this shirt that I'm wearing, this is a MAPS shirt, Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. You know these guys?

And they are doing a lot of great work with that with MDMA too MDMA for soldiers and so they're running these trials and these studies with MDMA and soldiers they're finding great results yeah it's really interesting and it's just like it's this this is literally eating cow shit and it's nature and it's nature that human beings have utilized probably for thousands of years and we should get back to it you gotta wonder if that's i mean you we know why it's not legal it's because it's it's gonna make people invent tools and and have better communication with each other and be more you know it's but the people that are have they should listen listen this the people that are trying to run the world you should be doing it too

Because if you did it would change your consciousness and it would change your focus and you would still be just as successful Don't think you won't be you'll be still be successful. You'll be successful under a different metric You probably feel better and you won't have this fucking guilt this overwhelming guilt of living your life Just constantly trying to acquire money by unscrupulous methods spend your money on shrooms you don't even have to spend out much money just go flip some not that expensive and if you're living a good spot they're readily available outside which is wild I'm good man thank you though it's just one of those things that I think nature put here, or we are, and maybe not even by design, but just by whatever it is about us and whatever it is about that.

When that chemical interacts with ours, and it's very similar to normal human neurochemistry, apparently. to normal human neurochemistry, apparently. That psilocybin, when it interacts with us, it's very positive for the most part. Again, unless you have psychological problems. Well, that's, I think... Or on certain medications. It, like, it made me... I was so fucking depressed and so fucking sad for so long.

And doing shrooms, it took me out of that. It made me see shit in like such a more, like it's not all fucking shitty. It's not all shitty. But did it feel all shitty for you even while you were successful? Yeah. That's what's weird, right? Right, exactly. Because then you have it all and yet you still

feel like shit yes that confuses a lot of folks yes sir it's and especially like i was fucking 18 like whenever the shit popped off and i was like oh fuck man i don't right i don't know what the fuck to do everybody's looking at me i don't you know and i can't even imagine how like a a bieber or a colkin like or child actors or performers like how you even even your parents like at that and i don't want to say anything about those people's parents and specifically but or in particular but the parents even then are like how much money can we make off of this kid and you see like a lot of youtube families doing that shit it's like this kid doesn't know what the fuck is going on here he doesn't know what's going on here you're just monetizing

your cute kid you know what i mean it's crazy it's It's crazy. It is weird. And that's why, like, even when I had my baby, you see a lot of the time people are like, first thing that happens, baby gets baby fresh out of the coochie. Right? And then right to Instagram or Twitter or whatever. Here's my new fucking baby. Like, no shit. And, like, the kid doesn't know what the fuck is happening. So, like, whenever they're older, they'll be like, oh, I saw your ass when you were a baby.

Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's just like, but I remember I pulled, I got the, I had the pleasure and the privilege to pull my baby out. And I was like, oh, fuck. Wow. This is like, like, head all, it's like, oh, fuck. Wow. This is like head all scrubbed up. So it was crazy.

And I'm like, you know what? You can, in this world that we live in right now, where everything is based off of a social currency and a like or a heart metric on any platform, I'm going to let you fucking decide whenever you want to do that. Yeah, that's a great way to do it. I feel like people are just so entrenched in this idea that you have to share every aspect of your life

and use that aspect of your life as a thing to get likes. Right. That's what's weird. It's like that light when they invented likes, boy, did they fucking hotwire our brain. They lockpicked our brain. They took away dislikes. Yeah, they did. Isn't that wild?

Yeah. That's wild too. That's wild too. Isn't that crazy? It is wild. I think about that all the time. I'm like yeah why i don't know that's to be nice i don't think it's you know look you're gonna get people to gang

up on folks sure there's there's you're gonna get people that weaponize that that's but that's also a way to indicate whether or not people like it or don't like it i mean that's the way to indicate whether people like it or don't like you saying i mean, that's the way to indicate whether people like it or don't like it. Are you saying I can only like it? Yeah. I can like it or ignore it. So, like, then you can, by that, you know, gauge, you can tell if people really like the video.

Say the video gets 100 million or let's just say a million views. Right. And then, like, oh, 1,000 people like this? Oh, they didn't really like that. Right. That's weird. Right. Why did it get so many views?

Then you can kind of just subtract the amount of likes versus the views and then be like, well. Well, there's always hate liking or hate watching. People do a lot of hate watching. They do a lot of watching shit they hate. I'm a little guilty of that. You've seen the new NPC trend? What is the new NPCbc npc trend all right so maybe can you jamie would i know what an npc is it is so it is crazy dude is it the memes

it is the tiktok of people that will live stream for hours of doing and so they'll just stay in like a stance like this oh so they so they act like they're a video player. And then whenever someone gives them money or something, like on TikTok, they'll react to it in like a way. And they'll do it for hours. Oh, I saw this young, pretty girl that was doing that. It is crazy. And everybody was going, what is going on? Like, what is this?

It is crazy. Like ice cream, so good. Ice cream, so good. Ice cream, so good. And I'm like, wow, what is going on? Like, what is this? Like, ice cream's so good. Yeah. Ice cream's so good. Ice cream's so good. And I'm like, wow. This is kind of crazy. What is that? Like, why?

It's crazy. Did she ever break character? Or did she just keep doing that? I don't remember her name. I was trying to find her. I was going through a few different things. That was like a wake up. I think she only breaks character to like, I remember her kid came in on one of the streams

and she's like, what are you doing? Get out of here. That's hilarious. But now it's not just her. It's like a thing. Whoa. And I went, thank you, sir. Here's the one that got viral first.

Pinky Doll is her name. And she reveals staggering earnings. And they're making cash. Wow. And this is the one. Gang gang. Gang gang. Gang gang. Oh, special. Gang gang. Gang gang. Gang gang.

Balloon. Gang gang. Gang gang. That was good. Lemonade. Hee-haw. Yes. You got me feeling like a cowgirl. Let me run it. Hee-haw. Yes. You got me feeling like a cowgirl. Let me run it. Slay, huh? Slay, huh? Slay, huh? Wow.

It's crazy. That's so strange. It's crazy. It's crazy. But she's really hot, and that helps. That's why that works. Let's not pretend. No.

If she was gross, that lady's beautiful. So when she does that, people are like, get is she doing? Get her to lick her lips. $7,000 a day. $7,000 a day. That's pretty damn good. That's not bad. How long did she do it for? Did it stay on there?

Let's see. 48 hours in a row. She's doing that. This was a three-week binge. She didn't sleep. It's actually, you remember the Russian sleep experiment or whatever the hell? Right, right, right. But just some NPC streamers.

What did they figure out from that? Like, what is the limit of the human body where you can go without sleep? Well, I don't know if that experiment was real. Oh, really? Because you hear the story about it. Like, you know the one where they're like, I don't know if it just like a creepypasta or whatever when they did the sleep experiment and so what happened Ricky says it's a creepypasta yeah it's a creepypasta what is a creepypasta it's like like a creepy story like a scary story that's just a

story that people tell but like real that but I wonder if that's not like they murdered each other or something like that? Yeah, they started murdering everybody. So they say in the story. It's a story. That makes sense. That makes sense that that's not real. Did they ever really push that? If they did, they probably won't talk about it.

It's so inhumane. Well, you think about, fuck, they're going to kill me. Like MKUltra and all that shit I was about to go there all that shit I'll let you talk about it I just know what it is but I don't know anything about it it's in a real program

that the CIA was running where they were experimenting with people with LSD to find out what LSD did. And they wanted to know, like, how can we use it? Can we use it to interrogate our enemy, our enemies? Can we use it as a truth serum? What can we do with it? By the way, guys, I have no idea what this stuff is. There you go. And what they did was they started experimenting, and not just the United States.

They did it with British soldiers, too, in the 1950s. There's a video of these British soldiers that they gave them acid. See if you can find that because it's a wild video. These dudes, they just dosed them up and had them running through the woods. They're like, ah! How do you – so do you have like Manhunters on that? You ever watch that show, Manhunter? What is that? He's like the guy

that like, he's like, alright, if you can hide, I'm the best tracker in the world, if you can hide from me on my horse, like, but how do they keep track of what they did in the woods? That's a good question. How do they, Jamie? What, in this case? Yeah. They filmed them. Right, so they just... But what if they went super deep? Yeah, right, how do they, Jamie? What, in this case? Yeah. They filmed them. Right, so they just-

But what if they went super deep? Yeah, right. How do they keep track of them? Keep them from just going on an acid marathon? We risk it, I think. I don't know. Yeah, they didn't give a fuck about these dudes. They were going to send these dudes to fight on bullets.

I mean, this is the fucking right after Storm in the Beach at Normandy days. You know, these are wild times, man. People just ran into gunfire back then. They were different men. Are these guys all on acid right now? Yes. Watch them start laughing. They can't stop laughing.

So they're soldiers, and they're sitting there doing their job, but they can't stop laughing. They're just tripping balls. And then later, there's some footage of them in the woods. They took them to the woods afterwards. I think it might be a different one because I have not seen This one but they I think they did it with a bunch of people and they did it at Harvard You know Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber. He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies He was a participant. Yeah, no shit toast that dude up with a no. Yeah, they dosed him up with acid

And then he was you know, yeah, that dude up with acid. No shit. Yeah, they dosed him up with acid. And then he was, you know, he had a- Did that guy have a rifle? Yeah. They can give a dude with a rifle LSD. But yet they did. Look at these dudes. They got cameras and fucking, what is it? He's holding onto his headphones.

He's trying to put the headphones on the tree. They can't stop laughing. Look, it's like a great drug. And they were like, okay, this has no military purpose at all. We cannot use this. This is exactly the opposite of what we want. What did they do? Chop it?

They're chopping it? Are they chopping a tree? I don't know. This guy's climbing a fucking tree. He's out of his mind. Why do they have firearms? Because they're army guys. That's crazy, though.

Yeah, British Marines. 1964, that was. That's crazy though British Marines 1964 that was so um What what the CIA was doing is they were they were experimenting with? Prostitutes so what they would do is they would set up a brothel And they would have these guys go in to try to get with the prostitute and the prostitute was a CIA agent She would give them a drink that was laced with acid, and they would watch these guys through two-way mirrors. That's insane. Yeah, they were just trying to figure out what does acid do?

And it was just totally unsuspecting. Yeah. And then there's mind control experiments. There's definitely something going on with Charles Manson, and that's the Tom O'Neill book, Chaos. It's a great book about MKUltra and the role that these guys that were running that program, that they interacted with Manson. They interacted with him in prison. And they think that they might have been the

people that were supplying him with the acid, or he was using it to manipulate those kids. And the whole thing was to discredit the anti-war movement they were they were trying to develop this attitude in america that hippies are dangerous and murderous and you know these people that are like stop the war these people are they're a threat sure and so one of the ways they did it was this high profile guy charles manson and they take this guy and they taught him how to run a fucking cult when he was in prison most likely they definitely was he in prison for beforehand oh he's been in prison his whole life his whole life where's he from that's a good question i don't know where manson was from

thank you uh but the book chaos i can't recommend that enough it's fucking incredible the guy worked on it for 20 years i've talked about it a hundred times in the podcast if you listen to it before I'm sorry but that guy who is my friend Greg's neighbor my friend Greg Fitzsimmons he was this guy's neighbor like 20 years ago he's working on this and he got hired to write a story about the anniversary of the Tate LaBianca murders and when he got hired to write that story he started finding all these inconsistencies in the story and so he started doing like real journalism and it's just like he went on a deep dive like way too long and he wrote it for 20 fucking years yeah and finally they got together

they helped him with an editor and they put it all together and they put together this book this book is insane it's insane yeah it's don't know. That's such a crazy. It's so crazy. And the thing about, I don't know if it's harder to, like, pull the wool over people's eyes now

rather than then. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know either. Because there's so many different like we were talking about the news yeah you know you go on the news and you get caught in this it's like a perpetual it's a wheel you know what i mean and you just keep getting especially now due to the algorithms that we have yeah you just keep getting fed the same information to like perpetuate what you want to learn about and what they want you to know about but back then it wasn't as accessible so i wonder if it was harder

back then to like trick the populace into believing something than it is now i think it was probably easier because i think they probably had more respect for institutions because they didn't have the access to them that we have now. Like, think about what a president was like back then. Presidents openly had affairs. No one reported on it. They were just revered figures. It was a different thing.

Like, when Kennedy was a president, sure, definitely people hated him, especially Republicans. A lot of people hated him for the Bay of Pigs. But the press didn't hate him. You know, everybody knew who he was. That's not the case today. You know, the world is such a hostile place today. We don't have respect for institutions anymore.

We don't have respect for mainstream media for a lot of fucking reasons. We don't have respect for institutions anymore. We don't have respect for mainstream media for a lot of fucking reasons. We don't have respect for mainstream news. We look at them like, all right, maybe this is real. We don't look at it like this is the unbiased. You take everything with that grain of salt. Yeah. And we know that there's deep political agendas in reporting any story, in the perspective, the editorializing of these perspectives. any story in the perspective, the editorializing of these, these perspectives. It's just, there's a lot of what humans are is what we're getting influenced by. And when you're getting influenced

by propaganda and horseshit all the time, it has an effect on you, whether you like it or not. It might not be a hundred percent effective, but it has some sort of an effect on you where you're willing to let these people who are just people, they're no different than you and no different than me. But you'll let them talk to you and talk to us as if they are in control of us. And that is not supposed to be how America works. And that's just a natural human power structure thing that we've had since we were tribal creatures. Right. because they fit your perspective and your worldview. The problem is now there's tools in place for tyrants. And now there's tools in place for people who don't share your perspective and don't have a charitable view of human beings

and are ruthless and maybe psychotic. But that's the beginning of it all, too. Yes. It's been happening. Like Nero and fucking just like Rome was super like everything. You look at like everything. It was a republic. You know, like everybody was everybody had a vote.

Everybody had to say everybody. But the guys who were running, well, everybody was drinking from lead. And everybody was like, you know what I mean? Yeah, they had lead drinking vessels. They didn't know about lead poisoning. And everybody was like, you know what I mean? Yeah, they had lead drinking vessels. And it was just insane. This dude built this statue like fucking 100 feet tall of himself. And then Rome set on fucking fire. And it's crazy.

And that's just been happening and it's been repeating forever. Forever. And I don't know exactly how long, but history repeats itself. And then you look at a cycle of how civilizations come and go this way. And it's just like, I don't know. I know. When I was a kid, I used to think about America that way. When I was a kid, I was like, well, you read about ancient Greece and ancient Rome and these great civilizations that they fell.

What happened? Did they see it coming? And I was like, would I see it coming? Would I know it was coming? Is it going to happen to us? Right. We don't want to ever think it could happen to us because we're on the top. We're number one.

We're fucking America. We're the youngest fucking country in the fucking world. Yeah. And it can happen to us. You got to be real careful that we don't become just like all these ones that we talk about when we say, boy, be glad you're not living in that place. Because places go through cycles. Some places are amazing, and then they get invaded. Some places, you know, some places are filled with-

Look at Atlantis. Yeah. Well, that's probably- That one's probably an ocean thing. Yeah, that's- That's probably- That's mama it. That one's probably an ocean thing. Yeah, that's probably. That's mama nature coming in. That's probably an impact thing. Do you believe in Atlantis, Joe Rogan?

Yes, I do. I think it was a real place. You talked about the younger Dryas. Yeah. And I was watching a thing recently, actually, about how they think that the Egyptians just found the pyramids and the Sphinx and how you can see that the Younger Dryas affecting the Sphinx and the pyramids like that and how that shit happened. I mean, yeah, I'm not I'm not fully as encompassed as you, I'm sure. Cause I just now learned about the younger dry ass,

but well, for sure. This is what you can say for sure. Cause this gets people very upset for sure. Yeah. This is because they, but I don't know why, but just,

you have to kind of like say a few things. Okay. One thing is that for sure the Egyptians made it because it was in Egypt. Okay. Like it's just different. Yes. It's different. It's,

I think what we're saying is there are people from a different era. Yes, sir. And this is the whole proposal that Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson have. Yes, sir. Like, with that Younger Drives Impact Theory. People get crazy about this, and they think it's— Well, I didn't mean to offend anybody if I did. No, you definitely didn't.

Okay. But there's people that call it a racist theory. It's very strange because it's— Really? Yeah that call it a racist theory. It's very strange. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's real weird. And they've applied that to Graham Hancock, and it's ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense.

He's not saying anything about the race of the people that did it. It's about time. The whole issue is about time. And what they believe is that somewhere around 11,800 years ago and probably a couple other times, we got obliterated by comet impacts. Comet fragments slammed into the earth. Sure. And there's a lot of evidence of this. Physical evidence of iridium, levels of iridium, nanodiamonds that happen on impact. This shit is all over the world.

all over the world. You could find giant craters in places like Greenland and there's places where 100% they got obliterated by a giant chunk of something. What they believe is that this ended the ice age and this is what caused all the melting of the ice caps that were above North America. And that's where all this massive flooding came from. And that's where the Great Lakes come from. And he thinks that it was a civilization-ending event where very few people survived, and they essentially had to rebuild from there. And so the amazing society that built the pyramids, whoever those people were, by the time this Younger Dryas impact thing happens, who knows what kind of civilization they had at that point.

Sure. But they might have been far more advanced than us. Sure. impact thing happens who knows what kind of civilization they had at that point sure but they might have been far more advanced than us sure just in a different way sure and for sure they knew how to move stone in a way we still don't understand right we we have no idea how the fuck they did that no idea how they made two million three hundred thousand stones meet perfectly at the top and then covered in smooth limestone. It's fucking insane. And channel energy.

Yeah. And vibrate inside of the pyramid to channel fucking energy. Who knows what they were doing when they built that. It's crazy. And I didn't mean to offend anyone. No, no, no, no, no, no. I shouldn't have said it the way I said it. No, not at all.

I just wanted to clarify because it's a weird thing that people keep saying. Because I just learned about this. And watching videos about it and learning about all this stuff. First off, take everything with a grain of salt, of course. But then it's like, fuck, it's fucking actually crazy. And now there's, is there xenon on Mars? What is xenon the xenon there's a there's a chemical that so the soil on mars is supposedly enriched with xenon

enough to like it's like don't let, I'll just throw out an arbitrary number. A thousand megatons of nuclear, it comes from nuclear explosions. What? So, and they said that the soil. That's where it comes from? They said that the soil on Mars is super packed with it. Yo, imagine if Mars was like a. There was a nuclear war.

War on Mars. Imagine, they just obliterated the whole planet. How do you feel about the face? The problem with the face is it was a very low resolution camera, and it was convenient. And then when they went over it a second time, it's weird in the shape of it, but it didn't look like a face anymore. So how do you feel about NASA having its own, like, Photoshopping branch?

Do they? There's people at NASA that Photoshop. You look at a picture of Mars, what color do you think it is? It's like a dusty tan. It's like orange. Right? Would you pull up the real pictures of Mars, what they actually look like without the fucking filter on them?

Am I crazy? I don't know. Check it out. Well, isn't it like Earth where there's different spots that have like different color ground? I don't know. So they, and they put, so you look at pictures of Mars from like 20 to 30 years ago or whatever. And then you look at pictures of Mars now, they are drastically different because people caught on to like,

why are you throwing a filter on Mars? So they were changing the color of Mars? It doesn't look like that, yeah. Interesting. I'll pull up the photos I'm seeing and you direct me to what it is. Look at that one. Look at that one.

Like this one? No, the first one. This one? No, third one. Like this one? No, the first one. This one? No, third one. Sorry, sir. Oh, like on the ground. The ground. Look at the sky there, okay?

Right. Look at the sky there. Look at the ground there. And then look at the second one even for, in fact. There's an orange tint to everything on every picture that we've ever seen of it. But then if you look at it look up maybe mars without the orange filter but the lunar module doesn't look orange look at the lunar module it's pure white it's just a filter it's not pure white okay look at that like that

looks just like earth it looks like a place on earth that could be a place on earth totally right except for this the sky is a little fucked up looking let's do let's do nasa photoshop uh instant i don't know what do you call like a like a i keep saying branch but like it's like well i do know that just one way to explain some of it is that a lot of the photos they get from the telescopes are like not actual you know like like with these, it's not just taking a photo. Sure. It's taking data that has to be compiled into a photo. Sure. Are these not from the rover though? They are.

I'm talking about landscape photos. Wouldn't it make sense that Mars looks different in different spots? And wouldn't it make sense that it looks different with different conditions like it does certainly does Mars is not that yeah that's what I'm talking about photo like that for instance can't be taken normally right right but like the

landscape photos it looks like a space monkey look at that that dude's chill as fuck is that a real photo Jamie That picture looks like a space monkey. The picture that you just had up? Look at that. That's your new logo. It says, Photoshop NASA photos give new life to outer space imagery. Yeah, they're turning into a monkey. That's not real.

So if you were one of these NASA Photoshop people, you would manipulate the photos in a little bit of a way to make them look a little more extraordinary well there's well there's something we talk about lying no it's crazy i'm trying to use the right words here because like i can make a i can take a photo of you joe and make it look you know or both of you either i could you put like the handsome filter on yeah like you can make the you can make photoshop make it look away it

didn't really look to anybody's eyes in the room right but you can just tweak some things without adding really anything you're just tweaking the light off the sensors and then there's but there are ways you can go way further with it all right so i was i've been i mean you can fucking trust youtube as far as you can throw it but But looking at photos of recent photos of Mars, and it could be camera. It could be a camera. Well, if you look at a photo from like a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 versus a photo.

But it still doesn't change the color. It does a little bit. Here's one. So the first one on the left is unprocessed. That's what they, okay, all right. And on the left Is unprocessed That's what they Then they take the Oh that's weird I don't even know

But this is also what you do for filming a movie The camera looks kind of like shit But is it calibrated for accuracy? But why are they trying to make it look like a movie? Because they're bullshit That also could be what we're used to seeing And it just gives it better context. Mate, I'm not the one doing it, so I'm just trying to think like them.

And is there xenon on Mars? There is xenon, but I couldn't figure out how much. But there's definitely articles about evidence of xenon. Look, evidence for NASA. Oh, that's fucking. Isotopes. I see a lot of smart. Evidence for large nuclear... NASA. Oh, that's fucking... Isotopes. I see a lot of smart... Evidence for a large nuclear reactor on Mars past.

There's a lot of smart words here. I was skipping that. Bro, that's NASA. Harvard.edu. That sounds very smart. NASA sounds really smart. Yeah. Evidence for a large natural nuclear reactor on Mars past.

Why are they saying natural? They're just guessing. They don't want to say that maybe it was a civilization that nuked itself into oblivion. Maybe so. Yeah, but why also do they say natural?

Compounding the mystery is the fact that Mars is a surface layer of elevated levels of uranium and thorium. I don't know what that means. Bro, they nuked the whole planet. Imagine.

They were fighting over some fucking border town just like us and they went fucking postal. How crazy would that be? How do you nuke a cloud of gas though? Because that's what aliens are. No, I don't know.

Do you want to know something crazy? You know how much a cloud weighs? How much do you think a cloud weighs? An average cloud. What do you consider average? Just a big pluff. Just like a big fluffy one. 20 pounds.

A million. Fuck, I. 20 pounds. A million. Fuck, I was way off. A million pounds. I just found that out. I was like, that's insane. I'd rather get paid a million pounds in 20s. The density of the water that's in the clouds, if you actually could extract it and weigh it. Yeah, look at that.

That's crazy a cubic kilometer cloud contains one billion cubic meters doing the math one billion times 0.5 500 million grams of water droplets in our cloud that's about 500 000 kilograms or 1.1 million pounds imagine it just fell it just fell like hard it became solidified and just fucking fell a giant hailstone that'd be fucking crazy bro some hail

is ridiculous seeing people getting pelted by like golf balls like you ever seen that video of these people were filming from their backyard

and you see the the hail hitting the pool and it's like they're getting attacked by aliens it's crazy this was

they just we just had this in Utah. A monsoon? A monsoon in Utah. Wow. It's a great song name. Yeah, it is. That's a great song name. Utah monsoon.

Yeah, that's a great song name. Monsoon in Utah. There we go. It was, my dad, I wasn't there, but my dad said it was like the craziest storm he's ever been in. This is the monsoon? This wasn't Utah, though, but this was Tucson a couple weeks ago. But here's the storm rolling in.

Arizona. Whoa, look at that thing rolling in. Watch it just dumps here in a second. Covers the whole screen. Those are the darkest. That's like fucking mortar clouds. Totally. That's Sauron.

Look at the rain coming down. Jesus Christ, dude. Holy fuck, man. That'son. Look at the rain coming down. Jesus Christ, dude. Holy fuck, man. That's insane. That is insane. That's insane. If that's not fucking apocalyptic, dude, I don't know what the fuck is. That's crazy, dude. I was in Miami once.

This guy doesn't seem to care, though. He doesn't mind. He's like, yeah, whatever. This shit happens all the time. He's acquiring data. I was in Miami once, and we were driving down the highway, and the whole highway had to stop because the rain was so hard you couldn't see in front of you. The whole highway just stopped dead.

Just dumped rain on us. It lasted for like four minutes, and then it went away. But for four minutes, the entire highway was stopped. You couldn't see a foot in front of your windshield. It was just psssh. It was fucking wild. Like, this is crazy. These people are dealing with some wild shit down here.

It never rains like that. And you just... How long do you hang out on the side of the road? We were in the middle of the highway. We had to stay there. It was several minutes. Oh, you just sat in your lane? Yeah, you had to stay in your lane.

Yeah, everybody on the highway stopped Bro you couldn't see jack shit You couldn't see the front of your car It was insane That's yeah It just dumped and took off And you're like okay And then it was like back to normal

But it gives you a little heads up Like hey you know You ain't shit You ain't shit this fucking whole planet has some gigantic destructive forces that you could never stop so when you're on the highway and it rolls through just be lucky you don't have a fucking convertible shut your mouth and just sit there and deal put that top on quick you never put that top on in your fucking car. You'd be filled with water. You'd be in a fishbowl.

Hail, dude. Moving to Texas, we had a lot of hail. And it would just fucking come and fucking... We had to go put a... There was a baler. And so we would go use their parking garage whenever it would hail. So your window's going to get smashed in. Yeah, because it's crazy.

Yeah, it'll fuck your car up. It's crazy. See if you can find the video, Jamie, of hailstorm in swimming pool. It's bananas. It's like they're getting attacked. It's like missiles are coming in into their swimming pool. It's fucking bananas. Where is that?

I don't remember. I want to say it was Ohio. Jamie, why you pull that up? Can I 10-1? Texas. Texas? Can I 10-1? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, guys. Go ahead. Look at this, though. At least fucking hail. Oh, my God. Yeah. That poor cow. That poor cow.

That cow's getting lit up. That swimming pool is getting rocked. That's insane. We'll pause you real quick. I'll tinkle tinkle too we'll be right back folks and we're back so you say you got into archery or you tried it i tried it you tried it i tried it yes sir where'd you go i was in france so i was was in France working on the wine. And we were at the vineyard and we were like, let's shoot some bows. So we had some French archers come out.

And they had, like, they had a compound and they had, like, just another, like, traditional, like, yeah. And Joe Rogan, that is hard to do. It's not easy to do. It is not easy to do at all. And they want you to go forward. Do you go forward when you shoot? No. They told you to go forward?

Yeah. Maybe it was with, like, an old oak bow. Okay, a long bow. Yeah, so they, like, told you to go forward whenever to help your aim or something which which just seems counterintuitive because you don't want to really move when you're well though the whole thing about those old bows when it's whether it's a recurve or a long bow is that it's much more of a feel thing like you kind of you have to practice with them a lot almost like throwing a rock

right if you throw a rock or a baseball is a better example when you throw a baseball you know how far how much energy you have to put into that throw in order to get into that strike zone if you're throwing a pitch right so that's like a knowledge of how much force and how you can aim this is the same thing applies to arrows. You shoot enough arrows, you know, like where you have to hold. Thank you, sir. At what distance when you're releasing an arrow, because you know the arc of the arrow and you feel it's feel it's feel compound archery.

What I do is very different. It's much more calculated. I have a range finder. It's telling me 52 yards. I dial it on my my my site to 52 yards my pin moves up and down and then i'm holding so you have picatinny on your bow what's a picatinny rail in the front yes i do cool yeah so you put like an aim point well this is where that's where the sight comes out of the sight is what optic are you left well i don't use an optic okay you use a

you use a it's just a clear hole like a tube with a fiber optic pin in it okay and that fiber optic pin is the indicator that tells you what yardage like if it's up or down right so if it's up that means it's a close shot if it's down very low it means a long shot so it's the arc of the arrow over a course of time and it's all calculated on this thing called archers advantage Which is a computer program? Okay So you put in the speed of the bow the weight of the arrow all these different factors and you put it in and it'll give You a sight tape nerd and yeah

And like you you dial it into 20 yards once you know where 20 yards is, you've got that indicator mark. You mark it off. And then you put the tape down. And then once you put that tape down, you're good to go to like 100 yards, 110 yards, wherever you want. You just do your hold there. Exactly. Just hold where that pin is. It's a much easier way of shooting a bow than traditional. But do you have a laser rangefinder?

Yes. Who makes a rangefinder? Oh, a shit ton of companies. Is it the same as like a firearm rangefinder? Yes, very similar. A lot of the same companies like, you know, Vortex. Yeah. They make a great rangefinder.

I use a Leupold Full Draw 5 because it actually tells you, you put in the arrow speed and all these different factors, and it actually shows you the arc of the arrow in the range finder. So like if I'm trying to shoot an elk through a pocket in the trees, it's like this big and I'm 35 yards away. I have to know that my arrow is not going to hit the upper branches. Sure. So I can, cause at the height of the arrow, it's higher than when it's going to drop down. So you're putting the pin where it wants to drop down, but it might be like way up here when it's at five yards, 10 yards, 15 yards. And then it's going to drop down. But it might be like way up here when it's at 5 yards, 10 yards, 15 yards. And then it's going to drop down into that spot exactly where you want it to go. So this range finder.

How big is what? The range finder. It's little. It's like a phone, phone size. So that's it right there. So I have a, like I said, I have a full, it's called a Leupold full draw 5. But I have a Vortex 1 that's great too. It just doesn't have that thing where you can –

the reason why I use the full draw five is that line is gigantic if you're shooting through obstacles and through branches. Because a lot of times an elk will be in an opening. Like there's two trees and they're like five feet wide, but there's like this one branch that's above him and you have – that's it. See, so that line right there, it shows you the height of the arrow. So like right there, in my mind, I would think that could hit that branch. And is that your hold there?

Are you aiming for that spot? No, no, no. The hold is where the crosshairs are. Okay, okay. And what that's indicative, that line at the top, is indicative of the very height of your arrow when it's at its highest point. So that was a long shot. That's 78 yards.

It's a little unethical. A little unethical. It's a long poke for a deer, but real elite archers can do it. If you're like Cam Haynes, that's a shot that he can take. Unethical because you might hit him in the knee or something. Yeah, I might fuck that shot up. I wouldn't take that shot. But I would on a big animal, like a buffalo or something like that.

The vitals are this big. Have you ever shot or what do you call it? Shooting? Archery? Like what do you say when it's shooting? Shooting arrow. Have you ever shot under like night vision and nods and stuff? No, that would be wild.

Do you have a pair? I do. You'd have a hard time seeing, like, you wouldn't hold. See, like, the thing about archery is, and it's one of the beautiful things about it, is, like, everything's repeatable. Like, you have to have perfect form. So, like, when I come to full draw, my string touches the tip of my nose. This is in the corner of the Dloop is in the corner of my mouth. Does it ever fuck you up?

My knuckle is exactly where my jaw lines up. That's where my knuckle sits. It's a repeatable point. Sure. If I have nods on, it's not going to work. Right. You can't even do it with glasses. I don't even like it with glasses on.

It feels weird. It's like I have to be lined up with that string and when i'm lined up with that string all i don't think about a fucking thing in the world all i think about is releasing a perfect arrow that's all i'm thinking about i'm not thinking about taxes i need gas i gotta fucking get my car i gotta buy more arrows i'm not thinking about any of those things all i'm thinking of is that spot that I'm aiming at. And I think there's a mind-cleansing thing that comes from that. And the release of it. It's got to feel so fucking good.

Because I tried. The hardest part for me was getting that bow back and holding it. Yes. Holding that string. Yeah. Like, that was the hard. It takes a lot of shoulder. it takes a lot of shoulder it takes a lot of arm

my body's imbalanced the right side of my body is thicker like all the way down my lats my upper delts

everything is much thicker on this side because I pull a bow back a fucking hundred times a day every day it's like these muscles I really have to

balance it out I feel it sometimes see I have the same thing but from jacking off. Ah! Just switch hands. Yeah, well. The stranger.

The old stranger. It's hard, man. After that experience, I was like, you know what? And plus, the first couple times shooting, were you scared? Of shooting a bow? Yeah. Because that is so snappy. And when I was a kid, I had like a bow? Yeah. Because that is so snappy.

And when I was a kid, I had like a little fake bow. And that's why I get the wrist guard. Yes. Because that shit comes and it blew my arm up. It blew my arm up. We should see what compound bows do. Compound bows. So if you're pulling back like an 80-pound bow and you have all this force on those cams, when that string comes and fucking slices against your forearm,

people get some gnarly fucking bruises there. It looks nasty. Yeah, mine broke skin. It was like bleed. It was like, dude, it was. Yeah, you got to learn proper form, proper form, proper stance. That never happens to me. I couldn't think of a better teacher.

You got to get a real archery coach. He just turned me away. Joe Rogan turned me away for archery lessons. I would 100% a real archery coach. He just turned me away. Joe Rogan turned me away for archery lessons. It's fine. I would 100% give you archery lessons. I have a range right here. Oh, go shoot after. I do. I have a fucking 40-yard range. That's amazing. Right here. Who makes the best bow?

They're all really good at the highest level. I shoot with a Hoyt, but there's a company called PSE. They make a great bow. There's a company called PSE. They make a great bow. There's a company called Matthews. They make a great bow. Bear makes a great bow. If you're going to survive in the archery world, the archery world is very unique in that there's yearly innovation. So Hoyt puts out new bows every year. It's like an iPhone. Engineers that are constantly tweaking things. And they have pro staff guys like Cam Haynes is a professional archer.

Those guys, they all work. Sweet man, too. He's the best. He's the nicest guy on earth, right? But those guys give them feedback and talk about this is what I like. This is what I want. Can you change this? Can you change that?

And then every year they get a little better. Every fucking year they get like incrementally better. Do you run like a weight on yours? Yeah. Is that what those long things are? Stizers things are are the stabilizers on there when you have a weight out front it like it keeps balance a little bit better and this is hard too that's not to fucking mention pulling the strength i mean keeping your arms it's heavy yeah it's not light no you have to develop a certain amount of rigidity in your your form you know form is

that comes yeah that comes from practice you just have to practice a lot archery is one of those things where you really like my friend john dudley who's one of the best archery coaches alive he practices hours every day he puts it up on his instagram puts his little lessons up on his youtube he's shooting arrows out in his yard. He's a giant range. It goes out to like 150 yards or something. And he's shooting out there every day, hours and hours and hours a day. That's why he's so good. There's no shortcuts to figuring out how to be good at that.

It just takes constant repetitive practice over and over again of focus and technique. So what do you think of those guys that can shoot like three arrows it's pretty wild it's cool it's fucking super cool it's cool look there's a guy that like there's like wall yeah he's so sick i think he's revitalized that whole idea because i think for a long time they thought that people carried arrows in their quiver and they pulled one out right and he's like no there's a lot of like ancient depictions the treatises in ancient times of guys holding three or four arrows in their hand and he thinks that's what they did i mean that's what's so that's what's so interesting like you look at like hema like like the uh european

martial arts or whatever and they like get in the armor with the training swords and shit, and they're like, all they can do is interpret these treatises that they had and the shit that they wrote down, like all the different guards and the way that they would actually fight. Right. Because there's no video. There's no real tutorial on how to do it right you have to interpret this stuff good luck finding a dude who's won a sword fight yeah it's exactly it's

it's crazy i don't i i've never met a dude who's won a sword fight before you know with what's going on now with slap fighting that's next oh that's next it's like they'll do it in a dungeon in germany somewhere the aliens are gonna come back and look at like youtube videos like how did they and then take it that'll be their nfl i would not be surprised there's there's a lot of like crazy underground fights that are happening now which is really interesting they have no rules fights on concrete where people fight with sneakers on yeah on which platform well they're just doing it online. And it's like, it's gaming.

Because I remember like Worldstar fights and shit like that. Like Kimbo Slice. These are like people fight for money. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, Kimbo Slice, like a Kimbo Slice thing, but with no rules. But they're doing wild shit. Like you get paid extra if you could bite a piece of the person off. That's crazy.

You can eye gouge. What website is this on? It's just online. These guys have won like multiple fights in a row by eye gouging so they get on top of guys and gouge their fucking eyeballs Yeah, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, that's like for chance. No rules. You can bite people you can do whatever the fuck you want It's kind of kind of crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, really crazy and you you get paid extra for eyes. Brutal Fight Club allies eye gouging with biting bonus and extra for eating the chunk. Yeah. Million subscribers.

Where are these guys? It looks like a hockey rink or something. Yeah, they're fighting. That looks exactly like a hockey rink. Yeah. And they're fighting on ice? I don't think they're fighting on ice. But I wouldn't be surprised.

That's the ice multiplier. Well, also, would you be allowed to have spiked shoes? And that would come into play. That's crazy. Maybe you get paid less for the spiked shoes. It gives you too much of an advantage. Or maybe everybody wears them. Maybe it's just the thing you wear.

That's crazy. Yeah. Ice fights with spike shoes. If someone goes down, they get stomped with spike shoes. You remember. They changed the rules about eye gouging, apparently. Okay. No more? Thank God.

One guy was like, do it, but if you win, you don't get any prize money. Oh, God. Wait, eye gouging is a- This don't include biting, it says. Is an occurrence of victory that if you win by eye gouge- But look, they still allow biting... This don't include biting, it says. Is an occurrence of victory that if you win by eye gouge... But look, they still allow biting. This don't include biting. Even the way they wrote it, this don't include biting.

Eye gouging is still permitted, but you don't get paid. That's from... Bro. And I'll have you know, this don't include biting, guys, by the way. Guys, biting is still cool. What the fuck, man? Biting. That's fucking crazy. That's fucking crazy.

That's fucking crazy. So was UFC like one and two? When did the gloves come in? Well, some guys started wearing gloves on their own, like Vitor Belfort at UFC 12. What a beast. Yeah, that was the first fight that I ever worked. Vitor was one of the first guys to show up with gloves on. He might have been the first.

No, no, Tank Abbott was the first. I think Tank Abbott was the first guys to show up with gloves on. He might have been the first. No, no, Tank Abbott was the first. I think Tank Abbott was the first guy to wear gloves because he realized that those little tiny gloves are only protecting his hands. Right. They're not really protecting, especially when you hit as hard as Tank Abbott. Tank Abbott just went out flatline people with those gloves on. Because you could really crack someone if you have your hands taped up nice and you have your wrists taped up nice and you have padding over your knuckles you can really fucking crack someone yeah but it's hard to do that with just your hands well even doing i never i thought the tape was to look here's tank which one ufc6

so he's definitely the first yeah tank that dude's got a shirt on bro yeah you could do whatever you want you had shoes on they had shoes tank was fucking this is That dude's got a shirt on. Bro, yeah, you could do whatever you want. He had shoes on. They had shoes. Tank was fucking... This is one of the craziest knockouts ever. Because look how he stiffens up. That's crazy. And then Tank mocks him. He like... That's crazy, dude.

Yeah, dude, Tank was a beast. He had no mouth guard in or anything. Well, he might have. He might have gotten knocked out, but either way. That's crazy. And I never realized. I thought the tape was just to look cool. Tape?

Yeah. On your hands? Your wrists? Yeah. Oh, it's to protect your hand, 100%. Because I did a fight scene for an up-and-coming film, and I just was, my hands, and even pretending to hit. I had to fight a guy who was like massive like big ass buff dude like 300 pounds or just pure fucking and like hitting him he was like all right give it to me

yeah and so i i wouldn't punch him full force but i would hit him like 20 and even then i was like oh my fucking god my wrist is like fucked and i'm not a fighter by any means, but we put the tape on, and it just, it was so much more, like, stable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the whole reason for it. I just thought it looked cool. It does look cool. It does look cool. It definitely looks cool, eh?

Yeah, no, it's 100% to protect your hand and your wrist. Wrists are very fragile. Canelo Alvarez just fucked his wrist up. He had to get surgery on his wrist. He's a beast. He's a beast. surgery on his wrist. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast.

Like, I'm talking more about Jake. I want to see a UFC fight. You want to see a UFC fight with Jake? Yeah. Well, he's not going to fight for the UFC. Well, no. He's got a contract. MMA fight.

He'll do an MMA. He's got a contract with the PFL, which is another organization. They're throwing a lot of money around. They just signed Francis Ngannou, and Jake has a contract with them. So if he has an MMA fight, I think it has to be over there. Where's that? At PFL. PFL?

Yeah. I haven't watched the PFL. It's good. Good fights. Good fighters. They've got a lot of elite guys. It's like a B-level organization in terms of – there's only really one A-level organization in America.

Right. That's the UFC. Right. The other ones are just slightly below, but there's elite guys in all of those. There's elite guys in Bellator that could compete in the UFC. Right. There's elite guys in the PFL. And what is that, just contracting?

It's like your contract and shit like that. Yeah. Yeah, like that's what happened with Francis Ngannou because he was the UFC heavyweight champion. He didn't lose his title. He relinquished his title due to contract negotiations and decided he was going to leave. And so he vacated the title

and they gave him a big chunk of money to go to the PFL. Right. I got to watch a PFL fight. Yeah, there's good fights. It's got a wacky point system that you're not going to understand because I don't understand it. I don't understand any points in UFC or

boxing. Oh, like when they do a 10-9 round, like that kind of thing? Because I'm like, well, you watch, and I know, albeit I know nothing about fighting, but I'm like, that dude definitely won that round. But it always seems

to be so close, kind of, but it's always like unanimous decision is whenever the judges all agree. Yeah. It's all the same. Right. But I don't quite understand the whole deal. I don't understand. So what are they going off of?

Knockdowns is a big one. Knockdowns is a big one. Knockdowns is a big one. Punches landed is a big one. So what is the ratio? So here, let's take a look at that. What is the ratio between punches thrown and punches landed? How does that affect points? Well, it doesn't if you still land a lot and you miss a lot.

So if you're a highly active fighter that throws like 150 punches a round and you land 50 and your opponent only lands 10 but they only threw 30, you still won that round. You just let a lot more volume, a lot more, but even though you're missing, what counts is how many you land. You don't get penalized

for missing. For missing, right. If you're a guy who just throws a lot of fucking punches, you're going to miss a lot of punches too. If you have some insane cardio and you just go after a guy, throw insane volume at him. Well, you take 100% of the shots you miss. Isn't that the saying? You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

But you do take 100% of the shots you miss too. That's a pessimistic version of that. A little bit, but it is true 100 of the times you missed you took a shot that's true that's unavoidable my buddy told me that and i was like oh that's amazing it's like that's amazing nobody wants to think about that no one thinks about that you gotta go for a lot of people go for it they said they said Michael Jordan said that did he?

and then Michael Jordan didn't say that you might have said it and forgot you might have been in a competitive trance you miss 100 oh it's Wayne Gretzky

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take Michael Scott included in the quotes Michael Scott said it after oh that's funny

Michael Scott's probably one of the most legendary characters of all time. How about the fact that that guy went on to play that creepy DuPont guy in that movie. What was that movie? The wrestling movie? Foxcatcher.

Foxcatcher. Did you ever see that movie? No, sir. Bro. It's a crazy movie, but he plays this really fucking creepy dude. He did an incredible job. The makeup is good. Yeah, it was really good.

Good movie. Can't recommend it enough. Channing Tatum? Mm-hmm. Young Channing Tatum? Yeah. What year is that? 2014.

Steve Carell kills it in that movie. It's a really good movie, man. There's some fucked up things about that movie, like historical inaccuracies, because it has to do with some real wrestlers, and he took some liberties with the story. Sure. But Steve Carell nails it. If you just want to just see it as a movie and not think about it being, whether it's accurate.

Yeah, because I'm totally clueless about it. It's interesting. It's just crazy that that's the guy from The Office. He's so good. Yeah, man. He's so good. Crazy range. What do I do? Have you met about it. It's interesting. It's just crazy that that's the guy from The Office. He's so good. Yeah, man. He's so good. Crazy range. Have you met Channing?

Mm-mm. Oh, my God. No. He's the best. Is he? Yeah, he's the best fucking guy. I remember I was working on the last album, and we did a whole bunch of shroomies and just listened to it.

He's such a fucking cool motherfucker. Oh, that's... I like it when I hear about cool people. Me, too. And, you know, it's always scary because you never really know. I don't know. Like, you never really know. You feel like you know.

And that's kind of a whole thing. Right. With, you know, the way everything is today is like, oh, I feel like I know. I've seen you before. Right. I see everything that you do. I know where you are 24 hours a day. I know you.

Yeah. And it's... I'm looking at you on Snapchat map. Exactly. Well, I'm looking at you on OnlyFans. Imagine OnlyFans had a map of where the girls are all the time. That's fucked. No way.

No, that'd be terrible. It's so crazy how anyone knows where you are at all times. Well, the government does. It's crazy. Someone does if they're looking for you. By the way. If you're carrying a phone around. I'm a good boy.

You're a good boy. I'm just one of the last ones. I don't want to let them know. Joe's a good boy, too. We pay our taxes. We pay our taxes, and we are not kids, and we definitely pay our taxes. We're only good. Only good.

Not bad. God bless America. I don't know. kids and we definitely we're in texas we're only good only good not bad god bless america it's it's it's i don't know that it's so crazy nowadays the way that there's people feel so personal with people but it's super unpersonal at the same time like i remember whenever i started losing my weight everybody was like hey this is what meth looks like and i started like dancing on stage and having fun and having more energy and just enjoying life again you know what i mean? Like I mentioned, I was shitty for a long time, but I had my baby and I'm in a great fucking spot. And then the first thing that happens is like, oh, he's on fucking drugs. And I'm like, well, I know there's people that genuinely care.

Right. And they're concerned that maybe you are on drugs. Right. But there's also people that are just like, all right, kids, this is what fucking meth looks like. Yeah. And definitely not on meth um definitely not on any fucking hard drugs but you feel an inclination almost as as a public figure to have to justify something that you don't need to justify first off it's nobody's Second off, don't just fucking assume everything. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like, so I was like, hey, guys, not on fucking drugs. And I know that's the crazy part is because I know there's people that really give a shit. But there's also a lot of people that are just like mean. You know, people are just mean in general online you never have to face repercussions yeah they're just not happy with their own life and they want you to fail and that's that's what you're reading you know that's all that is it's just someone wants you to be and then there's you know an unusual thing like all of a sudden you have this unusual amount of energy

and joy for life yeah like oh i don't know seems different i'm not buying it something can't be that love drug it's got to be something else it's it's it's it's it's it's interesting to to see it happen and i i don't know how much you how much do you pay attention to social media? Almost none. I read other stuff about other things, but I don't pay attention to anything about me. It's not healthy for you. It's not. A long time ago, I got off, and that was like the best decision I've ever made. But it is a good source of interesting shit.

There's a lot of interesting things to pay attention to in the world. But you have to kind of be real careful how you curate it. And I think with some people, what I see and I follow quite a few people that I can tell that this is what's going on, it's their daily obsession is interacting on Twitter and like saying things and arguing with people and getting in confrontations and dunking on people. They do it all day long it's like it's one of their main interactions that they have with human beings the amount of time they put into it it probably dwarfs all the other time they put in with human beings right and it's a crazy

crazy fucking thing too like i'm um who who decides what is interesting too because I tell you what the submarine thing with the submarine that went to go see the Titanic or not submarine but the whole Titanic

deal the submersible thing not once Joe in my entire life have I said, if I get on my phone and I'm like, hey, or if I'm not even on my phone, if I'm just like, hey, I want a jet ski, I'm thinking about getting a jet ski. And then the next time you get out your phone, you get an ad for a jet ski. Right. But not once in my life have I been like, oh, like, submersibles are very interesting to me. Like, I want to go see the fucking Titanic.

How was that story everywhere? Well, because the people that were involved were very wealthy. And when wealthy people do stupid shit, we have a certain sense of glee. Like when some wealthy billionaire wants to take a rocket into space and it blows up, people would be like, ha ha. There's a part of that. Right. There's definitely a part of ha ha. If you are a person who gets to watch people do something that you think is really fucking stupid, like get into an unproven watercraft.

With a GameCube controller. That's been, had people resign because of safety concerns. Right. That's one of those things where when people die like that, people enjoy watching it. They enjoy paying attention to it. Is that weird? It's weird.

They enjoy. It's also fear. It's the fear of the actual experience of being that person because you could imagine it you could imagine if you had been talked into it somehow everybody says it's totally safe right don't worry you're like okay let's do it let's do it and then you're down there in the ocean and then you hear a crack yeah like oh those guys they died so fast supposedly okay yeah what i heard is that something failed and it plummeted. And that as it was plummeting, they probably knew they were dying as it was plummeting into the ocean.

Because the actual collapse would be... Jesus, bro. Jesus Christ. Tenths of a second, no? Is what they said. I mean, imagine the force behind that weight, all that water. If the clouds are a million pounds. Yeah.

A cloud. It's floating in the sky and it's a million pounds. All that shit around you. Imagine you're 4,000 feet deep in the ocean. That's fucking crazy. Boom. It's just pink mist. Do you think that's never happened before? I'm sure it's happened Boom. It's just pink mist. Do you think that's never happened before?

I'm sure it's happened before. It's definitely happened before. And it's, it's just so crazy. Like, I don't know. That's all anybody talked about for a week. Right. And then now no one fucking talks about it. It just comes. Well, because we found out that they died and then there's not much more to say other than, you know, people go looking into the history of the safety concerns that these engineers had. Right. How did anybody ignore that? How did they allow people to do this? And, you know, the dude who ran it, you know, they're fascinated by him because he was actually in it.

It's not like he just put somebody in it. He went in it himself. So he believed in it. He died with them. He was on that trip. Yes, which is wild too. So the whole story is, it's a thing when we see someone do something and die and we think it's unnecessary or stupid, there's a part of us that has to study it. Because that's how you learn, even if it's something you would never do.

That's how you learn to never do that. When you see some guy and he's taking a selfie on a skyscraper and he falls, you're like, Jesus. It just cements it in your head. Don't fucking do that. Don't do that. Don't fucking do that. But that's like, I don't know. That's like evolution. It is.

You're kind of like, well, you don't want to be up that high. That's okay. I don't want to go anywhere fucking near that. And my body says, don't fucking go anywhere near that high. And some people are like, bro, I'm going to do chin-ups. And then some, like, down that low, too. Well, it's just, I don't know. Like, I talk, a lot of my buddies who surf, they're like, oh, yeah, I jumped on an airplane like a thousand fucking times.

Yo. How? Why? How? Yo, yo it's not it's not right i'm a terrestrial being it's a terrible way to die being here i'm so happy being here me too like my friend brian his uh like no see this is wrong don't show me this jamie stop i get sweaty that's wrong i get sweaty i get sweaty. That's wrong. I get sweaty hands. These motherfuckers drive me nuts. Why? It's so crazy. I'm not going to lie to you. Have you seen...

Oh, fuck. There was a movie about this. Like, Free Climber. Alex Honnold? Or are you talking about The Alpinist? The Ice Climber? It wasn't a non-fiction... It was a fictional movie. Oh, a fictional movie.

But she climbed up this cell phone tower right before they were going to tear it down. And she gets stuck up there. Oh, Jesus Christ. And my feet were sweating. And I love horror movies. I love horror movies, all this shit. But watching that, I'm like, yeah, fall. Oh, fall.

Yeah. Do not show me this yeah do not show me this do not show me this stop it stop it jamie no don't show me this man i want to watch this oh god damn it it is so it is okay stop stop stop stop stop i was so pumped because I was like, this movie scared the dog shit out of me. And I love scary movies. I love them. I watch them like every fucking night, go to bed, all this shit. But that movie scared the shit out of me. There's a movie about a bunch of people that are in a ski resort.

And they're on like the last of the fucking, what are those things? Gondola. What are those things? The ski thing. Gondola. What are the ski? The ski thing. Gondola. What are the skis? Ski lifts? What do they call them?

Ski lifts? It depends on where. Yeah, it's like a ski lift. Gondola is like the fancy way. Right, that's the indoor ones, right? So they're on the ski lift, and the fucking park shuts down. Like, they try to catch the last one, and the park shuts down. They get stuck.

And then they get hunted by wolves. I think it's called Frozen. Is it with Liam Neeson? Is it called Frozen? Yeah. Yeah, it's called Frozen. Is it called Frozen? Yeah. Yeah, it's called Frozen. Frozen has Elsa in it. That's a different Frozen.

Okay. Yeah, you don't want to get the wrong one for your kid. I've seen Frozen with Elsa about 30 times, man. This isn't fucking Frozen. Where's Elsa? Boy, daddy's an asshole. Imagine you, hey girls, you want to watch Frozen? Yeah.

Look, it says Frozen. Stop crying. People used to get eaten by wolves. It was normal. You break your leg in the woods... The wolf's name is Elsa. She's so cute. Check it out.

I think at one point in time, a guy tries to climb down. He falls, and then the wolves get him. There's a bunch of scenes like that. Spoiler alert. It's that shit like that. Yeah, this is it. So they get them. There's a bunch of scenes like that. Spoiler alert. It's that shit like that. Yeah, this is it. So they get stuck.

Fuck that, dude. And then the wolves come out. That's such a good concept, though. It was a good movie, man. It was a good movie. I love it. Oh my god. And see the walls are below them

shut up Jamie you're goofy shut up that's scary that's scary that's scary have They're stuck in a fucking lift. That's scary. That's scary. That's scary. Bro, have you ever been on a ski lift and it stops? I'm just like, how would you be stuck? I like how they tried to add impact in the trailer to the word to. I think what it was, if I remember.

To. It was one of those deals where someone knew somebody and they let them in and then no one knew that they were on the lift because they were the last one they weren't supposed to be skiing but there were some kids they snuck in they got on the lift and no one knew they were on the lift so when it stopped no one knew no one knew there's people on it i just left that was my biggest fear too getting lost in like the walmart and my mom was gone like she left me there and there was no one there but now that i'm older i realize how badass that would be to be stuck in a walmart with no one there that would be like the funnest time ever if you could get over your anxiety the fact that you're stuck in a walmart yeah if i if i was just my age i'm 28

and i told my 10 year old self i is like you good you run away from your mom right now you get stuck in the fucking walmart you stay under a shelf until everyone leaves and then you can just fucking go run around and they always give you shit about playing with the balls uh the balls in the pen not like your balls right they do they give you shit about playing with your balls in walmart too whenever you take the big balls out of the thing you know I'm talking about now they close them up really yeah they close them up so the kids don't play with them cuz you don't gotta buy it you just take it out and play with it the whole time you're in Walmart right and they don't like kids playing at

Walmart they don't want kids are you kidding me no one I can't tell you how many times I walk into a Walmart and I see a bunch of kids fucking having fun and playing and I'm just like, I'm out. Yeah, what would be

the negative effect of kids playing at Walmart? I have to fucking leave, man. There's too many kids playing around here. I guess the only negative would be like if somebody wanted to buy the ball

the kid was playing with. with Joe you know there are People that would get pissed about sure because these kids would throw them at like the old lady and she'd freak out You know, that's true. Especially we've seen that we've seen the Karen montages It's funny that that one name just took off crazy i know a lot of beautiful karens like genuinely named karen really nice people and they're stuck they're stuck with that it's crazy how names like that now that we're in this phase no one in this generation will name their daughter Karen probably not I would like to see how many people

were named Karen in the year 2022 probably like 10 sub 10 we're talking sub 10s I bet it was still thousands I bet there's thousands of Karen's there's a woman out there named Karen and Karen's the type of girl to name their daughter

Karen too she's Karen Jr. shut the fuck up There's a woman out there named Karen, and Karens are the type of girl to name their daughter Karen, too. She's Karen Jr. Shut the fuck up. Mind your business. So there must have been a shitty... So the Karens of 100 years ago were probably Gertrude, because there's no Gertrudes anymore. Yeah, Gertrudes got phased out.

That's actually a beautiful name, Gertrude. got phased out that's actually a beautiful name it's lovely it's lovely but it's got such this bad rep yeah yeah there's like the eras of names the Karens are the Gertrudes of a hundred years ago yeah they're like let me speak to your manager and then they're like oh she's such a total Gertrude isn't that interesting that it's super common for men to name their son the same name as them? Sure. But it's not common for women to do that. It's almost like never. I never hear that.

I've never met a junior lady ever. Yeah. That doesn't exist. That's fascinating. That is a really interesting point to show how much more fucked up men are than women. That's fucking crazy. This motherfucker is going to be just like me. He's my heir.

He will carry my name like it's me. He is literally my cum. Yeah, he's my cum manifesting itself. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah, it is weird. It's a male thing. Yeah, man.

Did you see the Barbie movie? No, I have not no sir a lot of people were upset about the Barbie movie and I left perplexed did you see it yeah it was a fun movie

was it good fun silly movie about dolls who come to life but it's you know a lot of it is about the patriarchy sure

and you know it's a comedy it's a comedy about dolls sure people are like you know people are upset that it's a comedy about dolls sure people are like you know people are upset that it's this

you know like progressive metaphor for life that it's you know that they're pushing progressive politics in this i'm like it's a fucking doll movie yeah it's a doll movie yeah it's a fun movie about dolls who come to life and try to interact with the real world. And there's this lady in it who's this mom who, spoiler alert, who makes Barbie feel sad because she's playing with Barbie and she has sad feelings. It's a fucking interesting movie. It's like, because I was like, wow, this is an original movie. Like, no one's ever done a movie like this before.

It's not like anything else you could say. It was a bizarre movie, but it was a fun, silly movie. I laughed. But at the end of it, I was like, how did people get outraged at that? They were saying it's anti- I know some people personally who said it's anti-men. I'm like, no, it's making fun of dorks. It's making fun.

It's fun. You didn't think it was fun? Like if that was a real person, that happening to them, isn't that fun? Well, Margo and Ryan are just like amazing. Amazing together in that movie too. I have to see it. I want to see it. It's fun.

I enjoyed it. I just didn't understand why people were getting so upset. Like do you think that's you? Are they making fun? Are all men in this one? Are we going to do this thing where we put all men as men? It's one category We're not gonna judge people as individuals, right? We're gonna pretend that these individual in this mill who are clearly dorks because they're designed it's fun

That you don't think like what happens to them in the way it happens right isn't like fun Like I don't understand like why people think that represents all men it's the dumbest the dumbest sort of how does it like how what what is what was the so the you said it's like anti-men they think it's a super woke movie and i just that's the way to make that movie but it's also a movie about how Barbies are the dolls that everyone cares about. And Ken is just a fucking accessory, which is real. So when you bring these things into a movie, you make them real life Barbie land. Right.

That's how they have to be because that's how it is in the real world. Right. That's the movie. Right. And then the movie, they go to the real world and we're all, it sucks and it's run by men. And so this is what people are saying makes this an anti-men movie. That's a good concept, though. It's a fucking fun movie, man.

I don't get it. I'm appalled at how easily outraged so many people are. I could see if you don't like it. I could see if it wasn't your kind of movie. But that's anything that someone creates. Well, to be honest honest to be fair about that like it's also like you said it's not your kind of movie it's also the barbie movie right you have the kind of you have the kind of like you can't go in there walking so seriously about it right

why would you go to see acdc if you fucking hate ACDC? Yeah, if you're into classical music. It's just to make fun of Brian Johnson. Be like, you're no Bon fucking Scott, man. You know that. I'm scared of that shit. I'm scared that people buy tickets to come and make fun of me. That's my biggest fear. That's my biggest fear.

I haven't seen it yet, and hopefully don't do that. But it's all right, because I still sold a ticket. Go ahead. Sit in the front with your frown on. But it's actually really nice. This tour has been really nice. I feel like looking out at the crowd,'s not so phone centric mmm which everything has become yeah it's really nice to be able to like interact with people

because you go and see a show and everybody and their dog has their phone out you know what I mean yeah it's i feel like this tour has been less phone centric which is like a beautiful thing for me as a like a performer yeah they're tuned in they're actually having a human experience yeah yeah a live performance experience yeah which i feel like you know is everything is like oh pixar didn't happen you know what i mean like right when you could just they used to tell crazy fucking stories like well okay this dude fought like six dudes and by himself all this shit but like you could just take someone's word that it was like cool like you can just be like that was it was fun we had so much fun oh sick you got

any picture no i just had a great fucking time. Just enjoyed the concert. Yeah, man. Yeah, just have a human experience. But I get also why people want to say that they were there and say they love you. And, you know, show was awesome. We had a great fucking time. Here's a photo of you on stage rocking out.

It's like it adds the experience for them. Yeah, I mean, that's badass. That's badass to to take photos and videos and shit of your favorite lost in your phone well that's the whole thing because I don't want someone I don't want to go up on stage and have someone just playing fucking Candy Crush you know what I mean that's like that's the most expensive Candy Crush games of all time they just like Candy Crush with you in the background. This is great. What an experience. But then it's just like, oh, it's like Candy Crush

with me in the background. It'll be just like, oh, like I'm at home. Yeah. Candy Crush with YouTube video. At home in an arena. Staring at their phone, playing a game with you right behind them singing. You can do like chameleon eyes. You can play Candy Crush here and then just go

fucking over. Yeah. So much stimuli. I think that actually might be fun. I think that might be. I think I should just play Candy Crush on stage. I think that's actually my new shit is I'll just go play Candy Crush. Not an ad. Or not a sponsor. What is that Subway Surfers one?

Is that the one? Oh, yeah, man. That one is addictive. That game is crack. That game is like. That's a crack game. It's so addictive. It's fucked. Oh, my wife crack game. That's a crack game. It's so addictive. It's fucked.

My wife got into that one for a while. So did one of my daughters. So watching that game, it's like, get that fucking thing away from me. I've been playing Marvel Snap. Jamie, you play Marvel Snap? What's that? It's a Marvel card game. Oh.

Speaking of cards, what about that cool card you just bought? Oh, yeah. Fuck, man. What'd you buy? You bought some wacky card, right? I bought a crazy, crazy card. Probably the dumbest thing. Not dumbest, but most irresponsible use of my money I've ever experienced.

I bought a $2 million Magic the Gathering card. Wow. What kind of market is there for a $2 million? Are you bidding against yourself? Are there other people that are like, I'm in? He was like, all right, well, Posey said you can get two five for it. I said, fuck. Two six.

But, man, I don't know. So it's a Lord of the Rings, Magic the Gathering collab they did. And there's only one of them. There's only one card? Mm-hmm. there's only one of them there's only one card there's only one of them so out of all the boosters all the collectors packs they sold that was the one and a guy in toronto his name's brooke he's a i don't he's an absolute fucking legend. And he worked at Costco, and he went to his local game store, and I don't know exactly how much he wants me to share, but he went to his local game store and pulled it out of a pack, and it was a $2 million card.

Wow. Isn't that crazy? It literally is like Willy Wonka's fucking... Golden ticket. Yeah, man. It's so fucking cool. Well, as long as it gives you joy. Very much so.

I would give that away. If somebody gave me one of those, I'd give it to you. I'd be like, I don't know what to do with this. Fuck, I wish you pulled it. I wish you pulled it. I would have just gave it to you. 100% I would have just gave it to you. But yeah, I don't know.

I love... Have you ever played Magic the Galaxy? No. Joe Rogan? No. You would be a beast. I don't think I would. It's a card game?

Yes, sir. Yeah. You don't play poker or nothing? sir. Yeah. I'm out. You don't play poker or nothing? No. Nothing? I appreciate it. I watched a bunch of people play blackjack in Vegas.

Dana White and a bunch of football players. I love blackjack. It's so scary. They were betting so much money. It was terrifying. Isn't it fun? Yeah. I enjoy watching.

But I have an addictive personality. Sure. Particularly when it comes to games. Sure. I get very addicted to games. So I have to be very careful because I'm at casinos all the time because I'm at UFC fights. So I'm in Vegas all the time. I cannot be that guy.

Well, magic's not a gambling game. You don't bet for money. You just play. Okay. And it's like, so there's over like, Jamie, would you let me know how many magic cards? I think there's over 30,000 unique magic cards right now. And so you're playing and how does it work? You get dealt a hand?

No, you draw from your deck. So if you're playing commander, it'll be you, me, and then two of our other buddies. Okay. Oh, shit. There's 50,000 unique. 49,998 total unique English language magic cards. Isn't that fucking crazy? So think about it.

And the way that it works, it's like chess. It's just very, it's a game of nuance. And it's just like, it's the best game ever, ever created. Really? Ever created. Wow. In history. Wow.

I don't have time for that game. No. If you don't have time for Diablo, don't get into Magic. Because this shit will eat your fucking life. It is like, in a good way. I enjoy playing. Like, getting together with my buddies, and you just got four of your, or three of your good friends, four including me. And you're just sitting there smoking drinking talking shit just

like a just like this but you're also fucking playing like chess with over 50 000 different pieces you could utilize and create whatever the fuck you want with it's it's an amazing experience okay i see it i see what you're saying obviously there's a large group of people that believe an amazing experience. Okay. I see it. I see what you're saying. Obviously, there's a large group of people that believe that as well, that agree with you. I mean, it's a huge game.

It's huge. It's the best game. It's the best game ever created. What is the number one game that people are playing right now? If you had to add in video games, chess, everything. Right now? What's, like, the number one game? Grand Theft Auto V video games, chess, everything. Right now? What's like the number one game? Grand Theft Auto 5 or probably like Baldur's Gate is massive right now. They had like 600,000 people right now.

But maybe Fortnite? Yeah. Fortnite's huge. Still Fortnite's killing it. Fortnite's been around a while now. Yeah. Right? Look up like most concurrent players, Jamie.

Minecraft. Minecraft. Minecraft or Roblox, probably. Roblox? Roblox. Wait, we didn't do it the same way. Minecraft. Roblox.

Yeah, Roblox is very popular with the kids. Your kids play Roblox? Yeah, they play Roblox yeah Roblox is very popular with the kids your kids play Roblox? yeah they play Roblox how much money have you given to them for Roblox? Roblox yeah for the Robux stealing Robux it's a fucking addictive game though but all good games are very addictive

that's the whole thing they're engaging and they're way more engaging than regular life if you're playing a game of like Quake when you're running down these alleyways and people are shooting rockets at you,

it's so stimulating. But when I was done, I never felt good. Like I can play pool for hours and when I'm done, I feel good. I feel fine. Like I had fun.

But when I'm playing games when it's over, my body's all cracked out. I'm like, yeah. It's the same with beer pong. Beer pong I can play forever. Yeah.

It's fun, right? It's a physical thing you're doing. Pool is a very – it's a physical, mental thing that you're doing. But there's something about video games that just stimulate your brain at high revs. Just your first-person shooters and rocket launchers and you're running around the map and you you hear the guy behind you and you're ducking this way and jumping down and running trying to get the health ah it's just so stimulating it's right in your fucking face yeah it's so and the visuals are so insane now the graphics are incredible why do you think that v VR isn't as big as it was planned to be?

I don't think you can force anything on people. I don't think you can have some big marketing campaign and get people into something. You just have to show that you have a product and find out how many people are interested in that product. Right. Promote it for sure, but I don't think people want to wear that thing in their head. No, sir. And they also don't want to be stuck in a house

not knowing what's actually out there. Oh, and tripping over your dog. Bumping the walls, stepping on your cat. You're just walking around there. I think my baby tripped me on purpose the other day. I was playing. My friend Matt Serra, he plays a bunch of different games with VR and like

he had people over his house and he was yelling and screaming in the other room and his wife had to come and talk we have guests and he's got this fucking helmet on and he's screaming and doing some wacky first person shooter in VR?

Yeah, in VR. I like to imagine that's what, you hear stories about Prince's parties and how he'd have people over to his house but never see them, very like Great Gatsby style. Oh, really? And he would just buy like McDonald's fries for everybody and be like, check in on the intercom and be like, I hope everybody's having fun. That's so weird. That's so weird. i like to imagine he had

the first vr headset and he was just up in the fucking room cussing and yelling like that that's so weird yeah i mean that's at the end of the day right if you are exuberantly successful and you know you have that wealth like i don't i can only imagine like what some of these billionaire parties are like you never see the fucker that throws it he's like oh i bought this house for this party i don't want to hang out with any of you motherfuckers i just want to show you that i can do this you know what mean? And how much joy does that bring you? You know what I mean? It's weird. Well, I've never been. I've never been to a billionaire's party. I've never been to a

billionaire's party either. Dana's gotta be getting up there, I know. Yeah, he's close. He's probably worth half or more. Maybe even more than that. I don't know. I don't know what his finances are, but he's very wealthy. Wait, he doesn't tell you verbatim? He doesn't send you tax statements? I called him up the other day. He didn't respond. I don't know what his finances are, but he's very wealthy. Wait, he doesn't tell you verbatim? He doesn't send you tax statements? I called him up the other day. He didn't respond.

I asked him about his tax returns. He is at a party. But I know he fucking gambles a shitload, man. He loves it. But that's his thing. He fucking loves it. And he's good at it. He wins a lot. But he's, you know, he loves it.

That's his fun. He likes gambling. He likes gambling high stakes. For me, I'm not that rich, but I've been lucky enough to experience wealth. You know what I mean? And be able to enjoy nicer stuff. Yeah. nicer stuff and yeah going to um like vegas the you you at a certain point doing what you do we talked about getting like uh you want to find it's like it's kind of like a rush it's like it's that it's like you play for that kind of rush it's like so you if you play like i go and i play like five dollar

hands with my buddies and stuff but whenever you know all my friends leave and stuff i want to go and i want to do like i want to play like forty thousand dollars and spread it out across and i want to play you know what i mean because it's so hard to get excited about five bucks sure right you know what i mean and that's how they fucking get you they really play to that ego and they're like oh you're you're hot shit okay come play come play we would love to play with you and then you want to feel that you want your nuts to fucking tingle and you want to be like oh man i need an extra chair for my nuts man and then you want to let it all fucking ride out i get it i was watching it i was watching them bet sixty thousand dollars a hand and my hands

got clammy i was like this is why whenever you win that yeah that rush is like fucking nothing else. I don't gamble anymore. I went to Vegas recently. I lost a fuck ton of money. And somehow my Vegas trips always end up with me on the foot of my bed. And I'm like, oh, fuck, dude. What an idiot. What a fucking asshole.

I play blackjack. Yeah? Yeah. Are you a risk taker? Are you a hit on 17 kind of guy no not 17 16 16 is debatable you know people are like oh you gotta stay on the 16 but you want to let it ride sometimes i don't know i usually i usually let a 16 ride i usually just let it go because i just i'm like there's no way god is either really fucking funny and he's like because whenever i hit i always bust and

then the next time they'll flip over uh a five yeah yeah and it's just like it's it's a cosmic joke but it's so much fun it's too much fun that's the problem exactly that's why i don't go it's this weird artificial hijacking of your human reward system. It's just like it puts you in this position where you can choose the amount of threat and danger and the amount of victory. You could choose what to engage in that's dangerous, but it doesn't have any physical consequences. You just lose money. Yeah, like that's my doing fucking pull-ups on the fucking building that is too tall. It's ungodly.

It's ungodly. That's exactly what it's like. It's that same kind of rush, I think, of doing a very dangerous thing, like a wild thing. But I think it's good now. I don't know. You see all the deals in the casino like, hey, you can talk to me. You know what I mean? to reach out and talk to somebody about how much you gamble there's all these pamphlets and brochures and i've like never met anyone who's had to call one or never called one and but i don't know i think that's a good thing and i don't know how much how helpful they are probably very not unless they have a bag of mushrooms for you well Unless they have a fat bag of mushrooms.

You know what? I'd actually rather go do some fucking mushrooms. And you guys go in the forest and you find out why you're into gambling. Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. Exactly. Then you break it all fucking down. And then you'll stop gambling.

Yeah, man. It's so stupid. I don't gamble anymore. I haven't been to Vegas in like three days. I haven't been to Vegas in like fucking four days. I very, very, very rarely gamble. I was there once for a show that a friend of mine was doing. I was riding with my wife.

We played a little bit of blackjack. We played for like an hour. I was like, this is kind of stupid. Let's get out of here. It's just I get it. I get the rush. I don't want to be a part of it. I don't have any time.

It's not worth it anymore. It's not worth it anymore. I got no time for that have you have you since moving to this new building i had a thought papa have you experienced any uh hauntings i am so glad you brought that up see i could read him i knew it it's not about this building okay about where my club is okay my club My club, I bought the Ritz Theater, which is an ancient theater. Well, an old theater. A historic theater.

It's like 2,000 years old. It's 1927. So it's been a pool hall. It was like a nudie bar at one point. Or a nudie movie theater. It was a rock and roll club. Jimi Hendrix performed there. There's a photo as you're getting towards the stage.

It's a framed photo of Hendrix. Not Hendrix, excuse me. Steve Ray Vaughn. Steve Ray Vaughn on that stage in 1983. Oh, dude. It's my favorite. He's like my favorite. I fucking love it.

He's the best guitar player of all time. Except for Brad Paisley. And Hendrix. Hendrix is good oh how dare you i know i'm so sorry he's the pioneer i know i know the shit that he did with sound but i guess i'm more of a i'm more of a control i see guy when it comes to like tone like his tone was impeccable but like i don't know like control is super like watching those like like pat metheny and like um eric johnson

and shit watching sorry to go off no no that's please i want to hear it because i mean i agree steve ray vaughn was a master there's no ifs ands or buts about it he was amazing the point is there's a photo of him um as you're walking towards the stage him on that stage in 1983 and um someone apparently i need to find this out fuck google murder at the ritz theater because people that know the building are now telling me that at one point in time someone was murdered there on the second floor supposedly i haven't even looked it up but i am bringing in ghost hunters to the building yes who sam and colby those guys on youtube i've had them on the podcast before they're they're they're kids and they well they're your age they go to these houses i didn't call you a kid you're big old beard you're a man son've been working. It took me fucking 28 years to grow this

goddammit Joe Brogan. That's a serious fucking man beard, son. That's a real beard. I'm waiting for it to close up and then we're good. But I'm going to have these guys bring in their equipment and go in there late at night and see what they find. I haven't had anybody say that they've had anything weird happen yet. Nothing? But the building

feels like it knows you're there. It's like charged well it's old i think i think that things contain memories i think that's why people don't want to buy a house or someone was murdered in it it's a stone tape theory i just show you a theory give me it no i mean it's just like it's just that that shit imprints with energy and history. And I think that's totally true. I mean, you can walk into a place. You walk into a new house and it feels empty as fuck.

Yeah. But you walk into an old house and you're like, and that could just be, you know, this is an old house. Fuck, there's got to be some history here. This is a new house. There's no history here. This is completely Blake Slate. But you feel it.

You feel it. You're like, there's some shit that happened here. Whether good or bad or just families and families that had a natural family progression or a fucking house where uh the daughter whatever murdered everybody with an axe whatever you know but there's always i don't know you feel shit it's it's totally possible things contain some kind of memory or some kind of feeling to them something that's one of the the interesting things about when you're in the woods is the indifference that you feel you feel nature's indifference to you that's one of the more

humbling things that makes people feel uneasy very uneasy yeah but it's also because you stepped into a world that is just tooth and claw. Fucking eat you alive. Yeah, and they're eating things around you all the time. That's exactly how population is controlled. There's predators around you all the time. Eyes front. Yeah, eyes front. And there's an indifference when you're in the mountains.

There's this feeling of indifference that the mountains have to you that's very humbling. It's very centering. Dude, going to utah and seeing the mountains i'm like fuck dude i'm a fucking i'm a bug yeah you're in the grand scheme of fucking everything in the grand scheme of the universe i'm a an amoeba yeah it's i'm so fucking small and try and be fucking as cool as you fucking can to people be nice yeah you have control you know exactly that's the Yeah, you have control over that.

Exactly. That's the only thing you have control over is how you treat other people. It's the only thing. Yeah. And how you treat yourself. That's a big one too. Like some people, they treat other people so well and then they get someone in their life that really shouldn't be in their life and it's ruining it and they don't treat themselves well by extracting themselves from the situation. Yeah. There's that

too it's and but those mountains the woods the mountains it is it's just like fuck it makes you think about that shit yeah that's why you see like you know like the tale of the fucking hermit that is the smartest person you'll ever fucking meet but never sees anyone you know what i mean yeah it's just like it's so there's a beauty to that that part of the world especially mountains for some reason there's a beauty like when the sun is coming up and the sun is shining through the trees and you see the the green pastures and you just you look at it and you go my god this is beautiful it's like a feeling that you have it's not like any other art form it's nature's art form but it has the same kind of feeling when you see like a beautiful piece of art there's this feeling of appreciation that people have for things that are beautiful

and i think it's one of the only creatures on earth that probably has that i don't think i don't think we're i don't think that we have any other animals on this earth that probably has that i don't think i don't think we're i don't think we have any other animals on this earth that appreciate beauty the way we do like we we it gives us a feeling we stare at it we're entrenched by it we're entranced by beauty physical beauty people people that are beautiful things that are beautiful art that's beautiful we have this uh massive fascination with beautiful things and when you see the beauty of nature it's the most humbling of all of them the stars are the most humbling of all it's great i hate i hate space you hate it i hate space i hate the I hate everything, I know that's the fucking worst part, that's the part that scares me, that's the part

that scares me, you look at you look at like all the near misses and all that shit who knows if it's even real the part that scares me is we know nothing about it

there's one there's one company or not company but one organization that knows about it we don't really know about it. We go off of what they tell us. And I think that's the scariest fucking part. And I'll look at a star or it might be Mercury or it might be fucking Mars or whatever. And it's so bright. And I'm like, oh, fuck, it's over.

Okay, fuck. And then I look at it for a little bit. For a couple minutes. And I'm like, okay, it's I look at it for a little bit for a couple minutes, and I'm like, okay, it's not moving. We're good. It's scary. That scares me. I remember the whole 2012 deal.

Oh, December 21st, 2012? I was in high school on the whole 2012 deal, and I went to church for two weeks right before because I was licking into all that shit. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to church

just in case that it fucking happens. Just in case. And I remember the day I was in school and it was December 21st, 2012 and it started raining crazy and I was like,

fuck, guys. It's happening. fuck dude oh my god fuck dude but hey i'm still here we're still here yeah i was surprised by that one i thought something was gonna happen did you buy into it oh yeah i had a license plate in my car it said uh i think it said december 2021 that was my license plate. DEC 2021. Yeah. Or 2012, rather. What did you think was going to happen? Is there DEC 2021 or DEC 2012?

I think it was 2012. What did you think was going to happen? Like, what theory did you... How old were you? How old was I in 2001? I guess I was probably like 31 or 2 or something like that. How old was I? I don't know.

You got to Google. I'd have to go back. I'd have to do the math. Jamie, how old was Joe Rogan in 2012? Well, I'd have to think. That's 11 years ago. There you go. No, no, no, no.

2012. No. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is it weird? we're thinking of 2001 because 2001 was another one oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I got confused cuz that no no let me let me back up December 21st 2012 was the one that was the end of the Mayan calendar that was the long cop I bought it so I think it was DEC 2012 was my license plate.

But I was really worried, even more so, about the one in 2000, the Y2K one. That was a weird one where people thought that all the clocks were going to stop and all the computers won't work. Well, how did they justify that? They were saying that the programs, the computer programs that were running everything. They would switch to twos? Well, it's when it goes from 19s to twos right the whole thing apparently they were worried that it was gonna like have this ripple effect across the country and the stock market would crash and banks would dissolve like wild shit would happen the fucking power grid would go down it was mostly bullshit but everybody was terrified and me too i was like i was on the phone with a

friend of mine from New York. Like, dude, we're going to ride this out together. And then we were drinking. I'm getting into archery. We were on the phone. He was drinking in New York, and I was drinking in California while we were talking on the phone. We talked for like three hours. And then they're like, there ain't shit happening, man.

Everything still works. The fucking internet works. Computers work computers work tv works everything's fine well i don't understand the logic i don't get i don't get the logic but i was because i was i was 95 so i was like five reading about i would see the paper on the counter and it'd be like oh y2k everything's fucking ending yeah and i was like oh my fucking god mom everything's fucking ending yeah and i was like oh my fucking god mom everything's fucking ending all this shit but then you look back and it's like it's why would why would the year changing over affect computers like why would it change the way they were coded there it's very primitive coding when they first started the the the computers that run

the power grids and all these other it. It's all zero and ones, though. I don't understand it, man. You're talking to the wrong dude. Me fucking too. But from my perspective, I'm like, it's all zero and ones. Why would, just because you have the app that says, not an app. Here, Jamie, explain it to us. I don't have an explanation, but you're on it.

It's just other countries didn't do it which I didn't know that they didn't have any they didn't talk about y2k no they talked about it everyone talked about this they didn't do anything to deal with it the u.s spent it's probably a scam that's what it sounds like to me it's fucking it's monkey pox bro because it doesn't make sense it's literally a fucking widget it's a fucking widget on your fucking computer that tells you what year it is. Yeah. The smartest people in the world can be like, well, we didn't change any of the fucking code on the fucking computer. Why would it fuck anything up just because the widget says that it's 2000? Yeah. What they were saying, I guess, further up, that power plants, for for instance have a whole bunch of automated things and those

Were in threat What just take the date out of it? It's It's zeros and ones it still is you're so smart. You should work for them. That's true. They scared us all I wonder if it was all bullshit. They just wanted a reason why they could be. It has to be. I wouldn't be shocked if it was just something to sell newspapers and the media pumped it up and made it a big thing and talked to the biggest fear mongers and got everybody fucking terrified of it. It has to be because then I was so scared. But now I'm like, why? It doesn't even make any sense.

So December 21st, 2012, I thought something was going to happen. And maybe something did. Maybe in the greater scheme of time, as we look back on the changing of the eras of humanity, maybe that's when we began our cultural slide. It might be... Joe, I think about that a lot. It might be a thing where, like, ancient civilizations have calculated, they sort of charted out the eras of civilizations and that civilizations would go through these periods and then they would have these rebuildings and then they'd get soft they would fall apart and then that there's

that 400 year cycle yeah the kali yuga and that's where we're at now the age of confusion it seems like that makes sense to me that seems like when you have people they're like the world war ii guys with the fucking guns on acid it's a different breed of human right those trench warfare guys that's a different breed of naughty boys just fucking smoking it smoking cigarettes in the fucking trenches and like if i see a motherfucker i'm stabbing him yeah it's like it's crazy crazy just living your life like that but now war's not even like that what is in ukraine war is so well now it's fucking drones yeah but there's a lot of fucking actual gunfights in ukraine that you could watch on telegram now the crazy thing is the guns they're using. The guns they're using are like World War II guns,

and they had a gun that was electronically operated that they soldered on a trigger and a grip to and a stock on so they could use that gun. It's just crazy the resources that they're using right now and it's it's really really fucking it's just scary that there's a ground war it's going on right now between two countries that used to be a part of the same union it's fucking scary it's crazy because i think when people get through, when they get through like a civilization gets through an era, they have this feeling like a lesson was learned. I don't think we learn our lessons, especially when there's a lot of money involved in continuing the same kind of behavior.

And I think that's where we find ourselves right now. And that's where the people that are very alarmed by this and they're really scared by this. I think they're right. the people that are very alarmed by this and they're really scared by this. I think they're right. This is the time to be very alarmed because it just seems people are way too casual about wanting this to happen and wanting us to, to, to fund this and beat Russia and all this whole craziness of war.

It's so complicated too with, with the UN and NATO and it's so complicated. It's so, all of it is like and it's so complicated. All of it is like there's so much going on. Well, they're trying to play magic the fucking gathering in the fucking world with real fucking people. And this doesn't just affect

Ukraine or Russia. This affects everything. If they start nuking each other, oh, my God. It's over. Joe, it's over. Oh, my God. It's over.

Oh, my God. It's one nuke, it's over. Yeah. One nuke, it's over. And the nukes that we have today, we saw what they did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those are a fraction of the power that they have now. These things are obliterators. a fraction of the power that they have now.

These things are obliterators. Not only a fraction of the power, but the amount that we have in this fucking world today. And they have supersonic missiles now. They have supersonic missiles that can change direction. So they're going towards Miami and they hook a left. Well, yeah, and then the fucking Poseidon too. The Poseidon missile will cause a tsunami.

Jesus Christ. They'll shoot a missile that'll fucking... The B-83, the largest deployed U.S. nuclear warhead, is equivalent to 80 Hiroshima-sized bombs. 80. Holy fuck. That shit is crazy. You can see if you hold your hand up. Look at that number. The US nuclear arsenal has 5,244 nuclear weapons. Had a total yield of 857.6 megatons or the equivalent of

57,173 Hiroshima-sized bombs. By the way, that's like half of the explosion on Mars. Allegedly. Allegedly. Imagine if that's what happened. Imagine if one dude invaded. Can you look up the Poseidon missile, Jamie, please? Could you imagine if that is what we find out about Mars? How crazy would that be?

And maybe that's why the aliens visit us. How crazy would that be? And maybe that's why the aliens visit us. How crazy would that be? To warn us or whatever? To try to halt it? The Russian one? I don't know if it's Russian or Chinese, but... It says it's real. A Poseidon.

Poseidon may exist only as a... What is it? Okay, so while some reports claim that Russia's Poseidon missile may exist only as a propaganda scheme, experts generally agree that the system is very real and has received significant resources from the Russian armed forces, although many details remain unknown. So, yeah, dude, if they decide to vaporize. It's a U.S. Navy nuclear-armed submarine-launched ballistic missile system. I don't know.

What is that? That's Wikipedia. I'm trying to see which one. I think they're probably talking about this one. It shoots a wave out. Wow. Intercontinental nuclear-powered nuclear arm system, autonomous torpedo. It's very slow, but it's possibly unstoppable.

I don't like how that's in bold. Possibly unstoppable. As much as they lie to us, I think that's probably 100% unstoppable. Russia maintains that it can be used as a tactical nuclear weapon against warships. High-value targets would include aircraft carriers. This is harder to rationalize than the second strike nuclear deterrence role, but is a constant theme. Ever since it was first revealed in November 2015, then known as Status 6, it's been described as a multi-role system. That's a scary Status 6?

What the fuck does that mean? Dude, there's people out there playing. You just said it right dude there's people out there playing you just said it right there's people out there playing magic the gathering with real human beings that's what war is man and that's the weird thing about war in this age where people are starting we're more connected now than we've ever been before and so we realize like it doesn't make any sense that we're being led by these leaders that have us fighting over territorial swaths of land and control of resources. It doesn't make sense. Or just like my religion's right, yours is not.

I'm right, you're wrong. We're going to fuck everything up or try to. As the world becomes more globally oriented and realizing that there's just people. There's people in India. There's just people in China. There's people in Russia. The's just people in China There's people in Russia The problem is who they're led by and when they lead you into this position and control the population To position where they can't do anything other than the will of the leaders. Yeah, I'll take one. Thank you. Yes, sir

That's where I mean that seems like The only positive Direction that I see moving forward is that people think about the world as one place now more instead of think I don't think people are as nationally centric as they used to be we're paying attention to shit that's going on in Australia we're paying attention to shit that's going on in Hong Kong you know people are really paying attention to the world now that they I don't think they did as much in the 1950s or the 1960s. I think with the Internet, I think people are very tuned in to all kinds of weird shit that's happening everywhere.

And that's an interesting thing because I don't know. Would you ever consider living in another country? I would have said Canada up until recently. Now Canada is is falling apart all the that they did during covet was just the total wrong direction this the trucker convoy when they froze people's can make your horns illegal bro they froze people's bank accounts that donated money to the convoy that's crazy that's crazy and what's a peaceful protest which everybody's supposed to be all about right these people that were protesting covid vaccine mandates and right the lockdowns and they they fucking went after the people that

donated which is crazy. Yeah. And you can track all that shit. Yeah. Well, they tracked everything. They shut their bank accounts down. That's crazy, man. You can't buy fucking a piece of toast. That makes people self-censor. And that's the terrifying aspect of that.

And that's the thing that people say it's not that big of a deal. They gave them their bank accounts back eventually. Look, that's sending a very- Eventually? What does that even their bank accounts back eventually. Look, that's sending a very- Eventually? What does that even fucking mean? What does that mean? It's sending a very clear message that they can fuck with you in ways that you probably hadn't thought about before.

They can fuck with your money. They can close your bank down. Never even thought about it. Never thought about it. Never even thought about it. Yeah. So how do you feel about the government's digital currency that they're working on?

No fucking way. No way. That's what I think. I think that's checkmate. That's game over. That is fucking checkmate. Because if they apply that to a social credit score, if they decide somehow or another that you need some social credit score system for the benefit of society, and they outline that they can track your behavior and your tweets and all your things. You get a score.

I'm already doing that. They just haven't released the fucking report cards. They don't have the kind of freedom that they like. They didn't send the report cards home to the parents yet. Right. Everything is already imprinted. Everything is already tracked. Everything is already there.

We just haven't given a denomination to it. They just can't control you to the same extent that they would like and what they would like to do is to to be able to strip you of your money and to be able to lock you down and then make sure that you comply so that all the other people also comply because they don't want to be stripped of their money they don't want everything they work for just be taken away instantly overnight and be powerless no one to call no one's going to answer your phone they just decided you fucked up and the rules are the rules and so then where does that money go who takes your money who takes and that that's what thing when people start profiting off of confiscating people's digital currency it's going to be a real fucking problem well people well it's

not all fucking currency is digital yeah but the idea of them controlling all of the money and it's all unilateral it's all the same fucking thing it's all the same fucking thing that's that's a problem and here's the here's an here's the problem i think is that people are going to do it due to convenience of it yeah no one wants to carry around cash anymore that's already cash is gone. No one wants to carry around cash anymore. That's already, cash is gone. Yeah. No one wants to carry around cash anymore.

I saw a video of a lady paying for her groceries with her fingerprint at Whole Foods. Can I see this? Yeah. Jamie, please. She used her handprint. You can do it here. You can do it here? You got it?

Wait, Amazon controls it. With your hand? With your handprint. I've seen it at the cash out here. I didn't do it. You just walk up, your hand hovers over this thing. It takes a photo With your hand print. I've seen it at the cash out here. I didn't do it. You just walk up, your hand hovers over this thing, it takes a photo of your hand, and you pay. Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why? People want their hand print in a database just in case they murder somebody. This is crazy! This is crazy. One scan does it all. Amazon One simplifies everyday interactions.

It's a free contactless service that lets you use your palm to pay, enter, or identify yourself. Wow. You remember it was microchips. Yeah. So now you don't even need a fucking microchip. You can just fucking use your just fucking, you can use your pube hairs. They had a store in Ohio where you just, you don't, I don't think you leave with stuff, but you just tell them what you want and then they just send it to you.

The Amazon store. Well, now they have like honor system stuff in airports and stuff. Really? Where it's like you go and you pick up what you get and then you leave the money. You swipe your card, all this shit. There's no employees in the whole store. That's crazy. It's a little kiosk.

You go pick up your chips. You pick up your drink. You pick up whatever you get. They're just hoping people don't steal. Your sandwich? Yep. Wow. That seems like it's not going to work out.

I don't know. I don't know how these are working. Probably better to pay someone 15 bucks an hour or stand there and make sure you don't steal. Just one guy. Just one guy at least. One guy. But now I guess you can't. And I understand it completely because what if the employee gets hurt or what if someone gets hurt in a situation?

But shoplifting is huge because now all these companies have policies to where it's like if anything happens, you don't even say anything to the guy stealing. You're not even allowed to stop them. People get fired for trying to stop them. Don't even say like, hey, dude, don't fucking steal. I see what's in your fucking shirt. Don't even do that. Wasn't there a story recently where a woman got beat up and then they fired her because she was trying to stop the shoplifters? I mean, it's all a liability thing.

It's a liability issue. The company doesn't want to be liable. 68-year-old woman has her job back after she was fired. Public outrage works. After she was fired last month for attempting to stop shoplifters at a Lowe's store in Georgia. June 25th, three suspects loaded over $2,000 worth of merchandise into

a shopping cart, left Lowe's store without paying, police said. I think she tried to stop them. I think they beat her up too, which is even sadder 68 year old lady. These guys are such pieces of shit. They beat up an old lady, and then that lady got fired. That's crazy.

I'm happy she got her job back. Me, too, but she probably doesn't want it. I don't want to work at Lowe's anymore. Yeah, she's probably sued. I want to work at corporate, god damn it. It'd probably be better if they sued her or if she sued them, right? She would have got a nice fat payday. That's ridiculous.

Suing is getting crazy too. But in that situation, I'm kind of on her side. Look, I know it's not even your shit. I know it's not your shit. Right. But you have, I don't know, if you enjoy your job or what you do just a little bit. If you have friends at the store if you have anything it's like don't you don't you don't gotta take that shit like don't take that shit i know it's not

my shit yeah i know it's you know the big head shit right but it's like you you have an inclination to kind of like protect it it's kind of like like you do this every day. It's every day. It used to be someone would always stop someone from shoplifting. There was always a security guard at a store to keep people from shoplifting. It was normal. Now people just run in in large groups and they just snatch everything and smash glass

and steal all those fucking watches and everyone just has to stand there. You walk out. You can't do that because it literally encourages crime because there's very little repercussions. Yeah. It's crazy that people are going with that. It's just, you know, if you wanted to be a full-on conspiracy theorist,

you would say this is someone trying to destabilize society and that's the way to do it. The way to destabilize society is make things as lawless as possible and then people will do whatever the way to do it. The way to destabilize society is make things as lawless as possible. And then people will do whatever they need to do in order to bring back some semblance of normalcy. What do I have to do? What rights do I have to give up? What do I have to give up? I'll do it.

Well, you got to submit to the one world currency. Yeah. And then. For real. Yeah. That might look at if you wanted to look at a long-term engineering product, you could – a project, rather. You could – if you had enough resources and you were clever enough and you planned this out enough, you could engineer the downfall of a society. infecting the universities and entrenching them in a ridiculous, unsupportable ideology and then have people go out in the world with that ideology and think this is a rational way to live life and to run the world.

And then while you're doing that, you're also setting it up so that you have less people get arrested for things, more people get released from prison for things. There would be a bunch of different ways that you could destabilize society. But one of the best ones would be to encourage crime. If you wanted to somehow or another encourage, you could do it under the guise of making it more fair for all these people that get arrested. Making it more fair for, you know, nobody wants to be racist. You just say it's racial injustice and just let more violent criminals out onto the street. If you wanted to destabilize society, it's not saying that prison reform isn't hugely

necessary. It is for sure. They need to do a way better job of trying to rehabilitate people as well instead of just incarcerating fuck yeah but letting people out that are violent criminals seems like what i would do if i was trying to destabilize society i think an easier way here's what i would do what would you do if you were an evil dictator i would i would just say i would just shed everybody's shit down and say it was an attack from another country the if if new york or la collapses the rest of the world follows suit so we talk about a lot only like fucking three percent of your money is actually real the rest is fucking a digital number and you we saw it with the bank banks collapsing all these yeah and collapsing, all these smaller banks.

But the payout is $250,000. You're insured. Your money is insured. You could have a billion dollars in this bank. You're paid out $250,000. And then where did the rest of that money go? Where the fuck did it go? All you need to say is if someone goes in or someone tries to order Postmates on their phone,

just say, oh, your card's actually not working. Your card's been declined. Everyone's cards get declined at the same fucking time. People are going to fucking cannibalize themselves within a week. Yeah. And just say it's not, we don't know who's doing it, but this was an outside attack. Yeah. All it takes is, because everything is so digital now,

it takes, just like you mentioned in Canada, where they're like, okay, people who donated to these guys are getting their bank accounts shut off. Imagine that happened to an entire major city. Yeah. Well, have you ever looked into how vulnerable? It would be anarchy everywhere. Have you ever looked into how vulnerable the power grid is?

I know how vulnerable it is because in Utah, not even the power grid, but for internet. internet so and a disgruntled employee took an axe to a box and shut down the whole fucking place is fucking like my whole entire side i live in cottonwood heights in utah and um the whole shit went out because some guy was just mad and he just took a fucking axe to a box That's crazy and shut everybody's internet off and it sucks. It sucks cuz I like internet. I like having internet I gotta watch I gotta watch the fucking Joe Rogan experience Wow It's that vulnerable It's crazy that he knew how to do it not get electrocuted If you had a box and it's filled with wires and you got an axe, wouldn't you assume you're going to die?

I don't know how it goes. I don't know how it goes either. I mean, I would be like- All I know is I didn't have fucking Wi-Fi for fucking four days. Do you think Wi-Fi is bad for you? I don't know. That's a good question. I remember, oh, COVID's caused by Wi-Fi, bad for you? I don't know. That's a good question. I remember, oh, COVID's caused by Wi-Fi, all this shit.

5G. 5G, 5G, yeah. But I don't know. What is interesting is seeing those little boxes pop up around everywhere disguised as palm trees in California and just kind of scattered around in New York. The cell phone towers? I don't know. Are they cell phone towers? I don't know. Are they cell phone towers? Yeah.

They're like- They look like fake trees. Yeah. They have like these little square things on them or these rectangular things on them. It's, but smaller, like deployable variants of it, I guess. Because how big is a cell phone tower? It's big. They're pretty big.

I think they probably vary in size, too, though. There's probably a lot of other things if it's dealing with a lot of... You know what's really crazy about cell phones? If you're in a place where too many people are using them, yours doesn't work. Yeah. You ever experience that? At the concerts, they don't work. That's wild.

That is wild. Why is it? Because there's not enough juice for everybody. They're kind of overselling. Not enough bandwidth. Yeah. They're overselling. Are we running out of bandwidth?

Well, if you have a concert and you have 20,000 people in an arena and you try to get on your phone. Like I experience it at the UFC all the time. I can't get text messages. They just don't come through sometimes. It depends on the place. Even if you're on the venue Wi-Fi or whatever. You'd have to get on the venue Wi-Fi, then you'd probably be okay. But when you're just trying to use straight cellular, a lot of times those places, there's just too many people on the line.

Still, I notice how it works before everybody comes to the shows and I'm taking a shit. And it works fine. And it works great. And then when everybody comes and I'm still on the Wi-Fi and I got to shit before the show because I don't want to shit my pants on stage, it doesn't work as well. That's our concern. Yeah. Joe, I got to turn one real quick. Yeah.

Do you want to wrap this up, man? We've been going for like three hours. I'm good to go whenever you want. Shall we wrap it up? Sure. How long are we going, Jamie? Three and a half hours. I'll let you get the fuck out of here.

I'm having a great time. You want to keep going? I would love to. All right, let's keep going. I would love to alright let's keep going I would love to we'll pee and come back alright yay I'm having a great fucking time

I am too I always had the best fucking time well this is a look I got the greatest job in the world this is one of the best ones just to be able to hang out with people

I don't think a lot of people do this anymore where they just hang out and talk. Everybody hangs out and talks and looks at their phone, hangs out and talks and talks to someone else. But it's an interesting when you just hang out and just talk to someone for hours at a time. You really get to see how they think and see how they – and it's just – it's nice. It's a fun thing to do, man. I enjoy the shit out of it. Well, I enjoy being on your show.

I enjoy having you. And I enjoy you have been so fucking kind to me. This is my second time. How many second timers you got? Quite a few. Cool. Yeah. Well, I want to go for three.

Bro, you can come on every month. I don't give a fuck. I'm actually sleeping in a mattress in the back of... Come hang out. Park that tour bus out back. We're good, dude. Yeah, thank you for letting me park there. Oh, anytime. It's dope. I love that you have a tour bus. It's actually... And it doesn't have Bert Kreischer's face

on it. Who's that? Inside joke. My friend Bert Kreischer. He's got a tour bus with his face on it. It's very discreet. He's a discreet kind of guy. Yeah, I don't know. Funny dude. It's amazing because I was on, sorry, Travis, if you don't want me talking about this,

but I've been on Travis Barker's tour bus for a long time. Barker's tour bus for a long time. And now I'm on, she's an artist, and she let me use her tour bus this time. And the difference between a dude's tour bus and a lady's tour bus is like fucking night and day. I remember the first time I got on the tour bus, Travis's tour bus, Travis's tour bus. And, um, I go and lay back. It was after the first show. Cause I went and checked it out before and I was

like, Oh, this is really nice. And then I go back the first day or after the first show and go lay down. And then I closed the door. It's all, like, on the hydraulic doors. And so it closes, and there's a mirror on the door, and there's a picture here. And it looks like a guy, like, laying down, like a mermaid, like a mermaid pose, kind of, like this, looking back on the bed. And I get up, and I'm and I get up and I look closer and

it's Tommy Lee butt-ass naked on the bed and he says enjoy the bus fucker and I'm like yeah this is fucking crazy. So that's how I kicked off a couple of my tours. That's hilarious. But not on this bus. Like, the fridge is, like, pink and, like, works and everything. Travis, your bus is absolutely beautiful. But, yeah, it's nice.

It's nice. And whenever the baby and the lady are on the bus, there's, like, a nice vanity mirror out back for them. My only fear of buses is that you're on the highway. Yeah. And I see too many fucking accident videos. It's fucking scary. It's easy to flip those fuckers.

Yeah. I watched this crazy video the other day of this car, rear ends car and they stop in traffic and then this semi rear ends them it can't stop and it's trying to change lanes because these guys bumped into each other on the highway they decided to stop and then this semi comes through and obliterates them. I'm like, Jesus. It's so heavy. It's so big. It's so much weight and force. When you watch the semi hit the cars, the cars just disintegrate. It's a big vehicle.

It's so massive. And then it goes flipping off this fucking side of the guardrail. It's just Jesus. So that's the thing with me about the tour bus thing. So you never take a tour bus? No. Do you go on tour? I do weekends and I come back home and I do like two weekends in a month.

I don't do those long. It is nice. It is nice. I don't do it. I just don't do it. I do a lot of comedy. I do it in town and now I do it at my own club. Where's your club? Lots of fun on 6th Street. It's the 1927 It's great. Lots of fun. On 6th Street. It's the 1927 place. The place that's haunted.

Yes, sir. Perhaps. I'll take you there tonight if you want to go. Are you going? Let's go. Are you going? I'll go with you. I'll take you.

I'm not even supposed to be there. I would love that. But tonight is Kill Tony, which is a fun thing to watch if you've never seen it. No, it's Kill Tony. It's a live comedy show where they have stand-up comedians. Some of them maybe for the first time ever do one minute in front of a professional group of comics who talk shit, and there's a live band. It's really fun.

Is his name Tony? His name's Tony Hinchcliffe. He's the most evil host of one of those shows. He's the best ever of hosting a live comedy show. Tony's the best. Let's go. We'll go. Yeah, that sounds amazing.

I would absolutely love that. I would love that. We'll go. Yeah, that sounds amazing. I would absolutely love that. I would love that. We'll go have fun. But, like, it's... What were you going to say? Nothing. Cheers, Joe Rogan. Cheers, my brother.

Cheers, Joe Rogan. Thank you for having us. Thanks for being here, man. No, man. Thanks for being here. I'm excited to see your show tomorrow night, too. I'm excited for you to come. Whee. I'm excited for you to come.

I am, too. Are you a pit guy, or are you like a more- It becomes a bit of a problem if I'm in the pit. Okay, so I'm like kind of hot. Yeah, I'll cry. I get touched up. I'm a hot kind of guy. People like to grab my cock. Is that true? No. Sick. Yeah. I get touched up. I'm a hot kind of guy. People like to grab my cock.

Is that true? No. Sick. No. I wonder how many people get into pits just to try to grab cocks. Just to try to drive Joe Rogan's cock. To just drive any cock. Not zero.

Probably too many. Yeah. This is not zero. I was like, for sure there's a guy out there that there is like I'm assuming dicks are grabbed my last night I got 16 this guy just buys tickets to the pit Just everyone's the answer around it's deliberate or is it like 100%? Keep the guy needs that's his game That is Diablo that's his Diablo That's his Diablo

That's his Diablo How many dicks can I grab in a night? I only grab like dicks for like 14 hours He's probably on a forum With a bunch of other dick grabbers And they're like counting numbers Oh my god No I hope it's none at my show

There's some mosh pits where they Just essentially are beating each other up I've seen a bunch of those Mosh pits are crazy Mosh pits where they they just essentially are beating each other up i've seen a bunch of those just beating each other mosh pits are crazy crazy i was at a show outside of galinson's it's a uh a gun shop in utah i go and hang out and tim is like the sweetest guy he owns it and they did a show like right next door there's like a t-shirt printing place and uh a sneaker place right next door so they did a show in like the back alley parking lot deal and it was like it was a drain show and there was a bunch of like ms paint like really like some harder bands. And there was this guy there and he was so fucking big.

And you saw like these like skinny, like they look like they were Metallica rockers, like in the eighties, like just like skinny. I remember the story about Metallica. They were like, Oh, these guys are the ugliest motherfuckers i've ever seen i'm gonna sign them like that's how they got signed

like shit like that and these guys were just like leather jacket long hair like didn't give a fuck just rocking and rolling and this dude would just fucking swing his fucking arm and like send him out of the pit like instantly. Like I watched him get rocked. I was like, fuck, dude. I felt so bad. But they love it. That guy that got sent out with a bloody nose, like fucking missing teeth and shit came right fucking back in. He's like, let's fucking go.

Like, yeah. It's like, dude, those mosh pits get fucking nuts. That's so nuts. Gnarly. It's not good for you. They wouldn't let you in the pit. I wouldn't go in the pit. You'd just be fucking like scissor kicking people.

I don't want to get head butted. What is this? Is this a mosh pit? Oh my God. Oh my God. They're doing it like 300 style. Look at the dust come up and all that shit. That is the battle of Thermopylae, isn't it?

Look at this thing. Oh, he called for them to do it. Who's in the middle? Who's in the middle? Oh, someone dead. Look at that. That is so insane. Jesus Christ, dude. How many blown ACLs out there right now?

It's like a big tug of war. What are they doing? Oh, my God. This is the biggest mosh pit in the history of the world. Totally dangerous mosh pits. There's a YouTube video. No, those... Yeah, that's a great title. That's a very dangerous mosh pit. The circle pit is good.

The circle pits are good. Circle pits are good. That's safer. You're just kind of running around in a circle. Maybe you give someone in the fucking... on the right side of you a good pop, but that's about it. Just a little jab

and that's a subtle dick grab as you were. Wow. These guys are just running into each other. Oh my, how many fucking headbutts are you counting?

Dude, it is like fucking medieval war. It is. Look at that guy. What is he singing? I think the word he was singing is like, ooh.

Listen, listen. Back that up a second. Back it up earlier. Exodus. Exodus is amazing. Okay, he's funny. Oh, my God. This is hysterical.

Imagine a dystopian world where the president or your leader was a heavy metal vocalist. What he could get you to do. That guy could win. That guy could run for president. Just fucking run as fast as you can. Let's fucking go! That fucking guy. I mean, that's the kind of shit I would listen to if I was behind a machine gun.

Yeah, fuck yeah. That shit for me, as a kid kid was like, it's so soothing. What do you listen to? Really? You know what? What do you listen to, Joe? I have very varied music tastes. Okay, fair enough.

Yeah, I really do. I like to listen to a lot of old stuff. I like to listen to a lot of classic rock, but I also like to listen to a lot of 90s hip-hop. I like to listen to modern stuff. I listen to a lot of moderns hip-hop I like to listen to modern stuff I listen to a lot of modern country who do you like I like Zach Bryan I love Sturgill I love Sturgill Zach Bryan is beautiful too his voice is amazing yeah I got a chance to see him live when he was in Austin too and he was on the podcast recently he's a sweet guy too like really genuine genuine guy just a super fucking talented singer too man dude uh jelly

roll i love that dude yeah he's a boss i like him man yeah i like him he's such a he just seems like a sweet motherfucker i love him real i love it that guy's so real he's such an appreciative happy like loving dude yes sir i met him at my club he came to see ron white and uh he was like on his way up and we're sending him to the vip balcony i just came out to say hi and he just gave me this giant hug just super fucking sweet dude that's probably a good hug real hug yeah a real one yeah he looks like he gives you a real one yeah i love that solid hug you like tyler when you happy dude tyler childers yes i love that he's like and culture him and culture so it's it's sturgill tyler and culture right now for me i love all those guys very much i keep trying to get culture to do the podcast but he doesn't do podcasts well that's what i i i hit

up culture and mine at least i hit up no no not at all, because I got the same thing with Coulter. I hit up Coulter. I was like, hey, man, you want to come jam out sometime? Let's make a song. And he was like, you can come make a song on the ranch. And I was like, OK, cool. Amazing. I'm going to make it up one of these days.

He's really on a ranch. Yeah, I do. Wild. Yeah. His styles are so different too like you know you go from like kate mccannon to some of the other newer stuff it's almost like it's a different guy it's very interesting i love his he came out of the womb smoking a fucking cigarette and it was fucking like the coolest shit kate mccannon the fact that he was 21 when he made that song it's insane that's an 80 year old man it's insane it's insane i remember listening and i was like oh this he because he's like a couple months if not a year younger than me

and just the way just the the, like the heartbreak, how rich his voice is. Yes. Yes. He can like, it's insane. It's insane. And when you see coming out of his face,

dude, and watching that, uh, what is it? The sun King or whatever, the, the brewer, the brewery shows that they do whenever he was there.

And he did, uh, like the acoustic shows sleeping on whenever he was there and he did sleeping on the blacktop or whatever he did over there he looks fucking so young where's that voice coming from that song is so haunting, Kate McKinnon

has a haunting song it's so fucking good So haunting. Kate McKinnon has a haunting song. Green is a wicked bird. It's so fucking good. Play it for me, Jamie. Yeah, come on, man. Play Kate McKinnon. Jamie is the one who told me about it. Jamie came into the studio and goes, oh, I know a guy that you're going to love.

You told me about that song. Listening to that song, I never wanted guy that you're gonna love. I've never wanted, listening to that song, I've never wanted to swing a pickaxe so hard in my life and I play a lot of Minecraft, the number one game. Listen to this.

Raven is so wicked bird His wings are black as sin and he floats outside my prison window marking those within

and he sings to me real low He's held to where you go For you didn't murder Kate McKinnon Damn. When I first met... Yeah. When I first met Tom McKinnon, I was working in the mine.

Have you ever covered this? No, I couldn't. There's no way I could. He said he had himself a dark-haired daughter. I think you could do it. Long green eyes. His voice is just like... It's so haunting. I think you could do it. His voice is just like... It's so haunting. It's insane. Perfect amount of reverb.

It's perfectly recorded. It's perfectly played. And he's such a good guitar player, too. It's like perfectly played. This is such a song bring his girl in the whole damn holler that ain't no lie bum bum

bum bum fuck that it's so good so good he's got so many of them like this too well that's the whole thing it's like it's the whole Johnny Cash kind of like that.

It's like a crazy. He always sang like murder ballads. Right. You know what I mean? So it's like super like it's like, oh, okay, I shot a fucking dude in Reno. Okay, I shot the guy that my wife loves. Like all this shit. Like, I don't know. know it's very like it's the original gangster rap it's the whole it's an old school production it's the old school voice it's the old school and I find like a lot of the time in

country now is like it's very overproduced and so what I love about like Coulter and Tyler and everything is it's just like kind of more traditional in that way where it's just like that same bounce you want that boom yeah boom you know what i mean i don't know yeah no i know what you're saying there's a thing where people are trying to make hits right instead of just trying to make something beautiful and it works yeah it's like that i guess there's like so much money and making hits that there's going to be people that are technicians turns out turns out bro look at you buying two million dollar magic the gathering cards that actually the fun part that wasn't

my bank account that was actually my buddies but a big part of your appeal is your authenticity that's a big part of why people love you and i think that what you're saying is that there's a lot of like over production of things it kind of takes away some of it well sure and i've i've made of that like that kind of a song yeah and there's a lot of production in my music as well for sure and i have like some of them yeah i mean autotune in general yeah and some of the most talented producers and instrumentalists and songwriters and shit and i'm not i don't want to detract from people who write amazing songs that's just not like whenever i listen to, you know, folk or country, like, I go towards Coulter and Tyler and Sturgill, like, every time. Because, I don't know, that bounce.

There's something so magical about that classic fucking bounce. You know, that cash bounce, that train bounce. Yeah. And I don't know and it's just like there's a lot of songs that are country but it doesn't have that bounce that i love so much you know what I mean I do know and it's just like I would it's just like at that point I it's a you know it's a lot of pop mix-ups you know what I mean and that's never been bad because what I've I've always tried to do and I'm sure people said the same thing about me because I sit and play the

guitar with 808s and all that shit and um i just whenever i'm listening to that that makes me feel like it makes me feel like a hard ass you know what i mean yeah it makes me feel yeah like like you're on a ranch exactly listening to culture i'm like you're sweating the acapella shit and i'm like oh man i feel like i'm fucking out there with you dude but it's also like the choice of music is like he's singing a song about despair and the regret and all of it and the the ravens mocking him from outside of the prison window yeah it's so good and he right I I'd assume that he writes all his songs. I would assume. Because looking at the writer credits.

Bro, try getting someone to write that. Fuck. Try getting some fucking studio guy to write that. Dude, those guys in Nashville write fucking songs. They write some fucking songs. They write some fucking songs, dude. They do. They do.

They do. The tags. I think what makes a good country song is the tag. There's always a tag. And like, you look at like classic country and, you know, like George Strait. It's like, I've got oceanfront property in Arizona. You know what I mean? That's an amazing basis for a song. You just think about like, if you'll buy that, I'll throw the Golden Gate fucking bridge in for free.

You know what I mean? It's just like there's always a good fucking tag. And Luke, like, when he says, when it rains, it pours, like all that shit, like that fucking, it's snappy. It stays in your fucking head. And you think about it. Like that fucking, it's snappy. It stays in your fucking head. Yeah. And you think about it. And those songs are so well written.

Craftsmanship. Off of like one idea. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And Colter does a lot of shit where it tells the story, the story of it. But that idea is always there. And that's something that's so cool and it just stays with you and you think about it and then you go and look up the lyrics once you look

up the lyrics to a fucking country song it's fucking crazy like have you ever looked up the lyrics to uh clementine like oh my darling clement. That is the saddest song. Oh, it's like a murder song, right? No. What's it about? It's about a prospector, a miner, and his daughter goes, she falls into a river and he can't swim, so he can't save her and she's gone. Oh my God. But how long have you known that song? Oh my God. Wow.

This is terrible. It's crazy. Drove the horses to the water every morning just at nine. Hit her foot against a splinter. Fell into the foaming brine. Ruby lips above the water, blowing bubbles soft and fine. But alas, I was no swimmer, so I lost my clemency. Isn't that?

You gave me chills right there fucking reading it. Oh, God. Isn't that crazy, dude? Oh, God. But you think, oh, my darling, oh, my darling. It sounds so happy. I don't know. It's so cool.

I don't know. You take those songs and you look at fucking what it's about. It's crazy, man. It's like, I love looking into that shit. You know what I really like listening to? When I really want to try to imagine a time. I really like listening to Robert Johnson. Yeah, dude.

I listen to Robert Johnson and I just imagine the time. What year was what he there's only one good solid recordings of robert johnson it's like one session i think i don't think he had more than one album that you can get right but what year was that 1936 that's crazy bro and that was so good, they thought he sold his soul to the devil. They're like, there's no way you can be that good. No way. 1936 and 1937. Wow.

Most were first released on 78 RPM records in 1937. Wow. So how did he become such a legend, you got to wonder? Did he just go around and everybody knew him? That's a good question. That's a good question. I guess he was just like the Dave Chappelle of blues singers back then. Sure. He was just this guy that was above everybody, and everybody was like, Jesus Christ.

How? How are you doing this? He would play like just, I love that Delta fucking sound. It's so scrappy. Give me some Robert Jones jam. It's so scrappy. But it's also, you've got to imagine the time. People are just, this is like during the Great Depression, right?

People are starving. They're fucked. The world's fucked. It's post-World War I, pre-World War II. Horrible time. Just squalor and famine. It's a hard stretch. Hard to get real good food.

It's not like there's a Whole Foods in your fucking neighborhood. Things were weird back then. And this guy is in the deep south. This is recording. I went to the crossroads Fell down on my knees I went to the crossroads Fell down on my knees I went to the closet Found out I don't have money

Had a lot of bad memories Say, baby, please What's crazy is like all music, recorded music, has its roots in something from before. Yeah. All of it. You know, this emerged, his creation. You know, when this got sold and entered into just the zeitgeist of human consciousness,

now they're aware that there's a guy out there that can do this. Because before, there wasn't anybody like this guy, right? And now all of a sudden, he comes along and hits this level that nobody had ever hit before. Yeah, you gotta, like, that's crazy. Because, like, all these ideas, like, who invented a pinch harmonic? Right. Like the, like on the guitar. Like who's like, you know what, if I hold my pick just right

and hit that fucking string, it's going to sound this different and I'm going to make that my signature sound and then you're just going to blow up. But that's just something that you do. Right. Like his vibrato on his voice and shit, like, That's just something that you do. Right.

Like, his vibrato on his voice and shit, like, I think that's something, whenever I first started making music, that was something that really, like, if not propelled me, was something that was a little different. Because I had a little I always tried to copy like Stevie Nicks and there's a guy named Connor O'Burris from Bright Eyes and he would have this great like vibrato in his voice when he sang and Stevie would too and I think that that wasn't being done and that's just the way I naturally sang as a kid and it sounded like shit but as I got older that's just the way I sang so I think that kind of was a thing that I wouldn't say propelled me but made me a little a little different you know what I mean because everybody has their own unique style and

there's something to listen to for everybody you you know? And I think that was something that really like, it was like, okay, this is, he has a unique voice. If that makes sense, you know? Yes. It's, it's like authentic. Very much so. And that's just how I sang since I was a kid. And I think if you, like, grow up doing something and I'm in no way comparing it to anything, I'm just saying how that cuts through. Like, he played his whole fucking life.

Whoa, fuck. If he did sell his soul, I mean, fuck fuck i don't think he did he got a good gig but but you know that's the whole the legend the fun legend but that's also just when someone stands out like that you're always gonna have those kind of stories people love to bullshit you just keep going and especially like stevie stevie you could tell when he's playing the guitar yeah yeah it sounds like stevie you can tell when he's playing the guitar. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like Stevie Ray Vaughan. You can tell, but that's just shit you grow up and you have like a little fucking quirk.

You know, like there's a tone that you have whenever. Yeah. Even when you're first starting, like you don't do something perfectly correct. Yeah. But then it turns out to be your thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's a sound when guys are playing where you know it's them.

It's interesting, right? It's crazy, especially on a non-vocal musical instrument. Yeah. Gary Clark Jr. is a great example of that, too. He died the next year after recording this stuff. Wow. He was 27. 27?

Just like everybody else. Just like Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, Kurt Cobain. 27. That's fucking crazy, dude. That age is nuts for rock stars. Yeah? That's a nutty age. And it seems like if you get through that age, you live to be a million.

Well, that's... These fucking dudes. Rolling Stones on tour. They're Bideniden's age they look great i remember there was a psychic that on my birthday said i was gonna die when i turned 27 oh what a cunt i don't know she's just lying making shit up that bitch is well now hindsight's always 20 20 so you lie but she put that shit in your head man yeah well that's why but as soon as i turn 28 i'm like fuck it i'm getting on every fucking combine every fucking helicopter every fucking motor vehicle i see i'm going it's like except for really high buildings

everything's fine i'm not cursed that fuck it. Let's go. Everything's fine. I'm not cursed. It's crazy how that happened. And also, Jim Morrison died when he was 27? Yep. How is he 27? How is he that good? How is he 27? Do you know his car is like a source of mystery?

There's like one guy claims he has his car, but apparently it's the wrong VIN number. But his car, he had a's the wrong VIN number, but his car yet a 1967 Shelby GT 500 cool and he had it for only like a year or two and then he sold it and then there's a Providence of where people trying to track it cool He looks like Jesus Christ. He does if Jesus Christ was here. He'd drive in 1967 Shelby GT 500 the Jesus had a drive I'll tell you what he wouldn't be driving a minivan.

He'd be driving an American muscle. That's why we would listen. No, he'd be driving a Tesla. No, no, no. He'd drive a goddamn American muscle car and realize, just plant more trees. They'll eat the gas or something. Look at that, though. He was so pumped to have that car.

Yeah. To just run next to it. How pumped are you to have that pumped are you i think he filmed something with it i think he did some sort of a thing where he filmed himself with the car like i don't remember what he did i remember it was something but there's like people have tried to track the car and there's one gentleman on youtube who says he owns it it's the same it's definitely the same exact car but whether or not that's the one i I don't know. The VIN number discrepancy. Yeah, but back then everything was just written down on paper.

Who knows what the fuck people – and also if somebody might have changed the VINs because they were trying to – maybe someone stole it from somebody. I don't fucking know. You know, it's like you're dealing with like 50-plus years of shit going down. Who knows what happened, but it's a dope card. What's your favorite car, Joe? I don't really have a favorite car, a favorite specific car. But if I had a favorite kind of car, it would be American muscle cars.

Those are my favorite cars. Because those cars, even though they're not the fastest cars, they don't handle the best, those cars are literally like a rolling piece of art. You're driving around in this iconic time machine of art you know someone created this shape this beautiful shape and you see that shape and you go oh you see a 69 mustang you just go oh my dad's got a 69 camaro it's blue with the stripes and it is like Beautiful car

No it is beautiful That's why I said Dad I'm waiting for you to Kick the bucket So I can drive that Don't you have one of them Six wheel Hennesseys Yeah I did

That is so crazy That thing is so gigantic It's so fun Do you have a pickup out here I don't Yeah I have one out here I don't have it here today Today I drove my Tesla.

Today I drove my electric car. That's a Jesus Christ car. That's what Jesus would drive. No, Jesus would drive a fucking Shelby. That's sick. Yeah, look at that thing. That is so crazy. A six-wheel drive car.

Now, all that extra weight with those extra two wheels and an extra axle in the back, is that fast still? It's fast. It's bumpy, but it's fast imagine you'd probably tow a fucking giant boat with that thing man that's all that traction yeah well it is so fun to drive it is inconvenient in salt lake city how so because it stands out i can't get in to any of the spots no parking spots any of the spots big I can't get into any of the spots you got an extra half a car out back

I go to the Applebee's and I'm like alright well I don't know of any I try to like get it perfect because I don't want to be the dickhead

that blocks right any spots but if I'm if I don't go in far enough it sticks out so fucking

right big out the back and if I I just gotta go in just a little bit into the next spot just a tiny bit just a schmidge just like the the the wench on the front well for most people that's fine if you have a regular car yeah you get a person usually like I love the Applebee's but it's not usually super full so there's like you're an Applebee's guy I love Applebee's, but it's not usually super full. You're an Applebee's guy.

I love Applebee's. Really? What's it about Applebee's? I love the neighborhood, man. I love the... The atmosphere. I love the atmosphere. I love the drink they give you that comes with a gummy shark.

Which one's that? I don't know what it's called. It's like one of them signature cocktails. Yeah, but it's so good. And they have a special Mountain Dew at Applebee's. They do? Yeah. It's that? I don't know what it's called. It's like one of them signature cocktails. Yeah, but it's so good. And they have a special Mountain Dew at Applebee's. They do? Yeah. It's special?

Yeah, it's special. It's only at Applebee's. What's this special? You looking for another one of those? No, I got this one right here. It's like a raspberry flavor, I think. It's called like Space Punch. Darkberry Bash.

Darkberry Bash. It's called actually NASA uses orange filters on Mars Bash. I swear to God, check that shit out. Look into it, guys. They might. I think what Jamie is saying about color correction, though, is accurate. Yeah, when I was just looking at the photos, they all come black and white, I think. Right.

I think the thing is that they're just getting data. They're getting data, and that data has to be interpreted into an image. And it's a lot more complicated than you taking a picture on your iPhone and texting it to me, and I get it, and it's in full resolution. Look up Mars copy and paste. Look up NASA copy and paste. Let's see if this works. I'll add Mars. Just add Mars for a buzzword

What do you think about all this UFO disclosure shit? Are you paying attention to it? Yes sir Yeah Yeah It's I think it's pretty cool It's pretty interesting right?

Yeah You know what's interesting? Like how little people seem to care Because we already know I know but it's interesting that, like, there wasn't, like, some moment where people, like, were like, holy shit, aliens are real. Pretty soon that's coming. You think?

I think it's because of the slow trickle, it's going to be, we just accept it. Well, they try to normalize it with, like, War of the Worlds, which is which is like the Battle of Los Angeles and shit like that. That was a real fucking thing that happened. The pictures of Battle of Los Angeles is crazy. What happened exactly in Battle of Los Angeles? There's this big object in the sky and we're shooting machine guns at it. We got spotlights. This is like in the 50s, maybe?

I've never seen it. There's this photo. Look at this shit. Wow. So we're putting fucking rounds on this fucking thing. So they have these spotlights on this thing in the sky. Look at the rounds. Right, but what is it that they see? That's weird. All you can see is spotlights. 1947, it says in the sky. Look at the rounds. Right, but what is it that they see?

That's weird. All you can see is spotlights. 1947, it says in the corner. Boy, that looks like a fucking flying saucer. Look it in the middle, but those things around it, those are fucking like Ma Deuce rounds. Like they're shooting at this fucking thing.

They don't know what it is. Well, you know that there's a famous story from the Soviet Union that these guys shot at a UFO and it turned them into stone. Is it true? I don't know. The CIA investigated it. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, because I sent it to Jeremy Corbell. That's what I asked him. Fuck, I should have had links, Jamie.

God damn it. Well, this should have had links, Jamie. God damn it. Well, this is the only link I have. It's, uh... CIA UFO turned into STEM. You're definitely on a watch list, Jamie. Yeah, so there's literally, like, a CIA document about it, that these guys supposedly

shot at a low-flying spaceship. According to the KGB materials, a quite low-flying spaceship in the shape of a saucer appeared above a military unit that was conducting routine training maneuvers. For unknown reasons, somebody unexpectedly launched a surface-to-air missile and hit the UFO. It fell to Earth not far away, and five short humanoids with large heads and large black eyes emerged from it. It is stated in the testimonies by the two soldiers who remained

alive that after freeing themselves from the debris, the aliens came close together and then merged into a single object that acquired a spherical shape. That object began to buzz and hiss sharply and then became brilliant white.

In a few seconds, the spheres grew much bigger and exploded by flaring up with an extremely bright light. At that very instant, 23 soldiers who had watched the phenomenon turned into stone poles. Poles.

Yeah, only two soldiers who stood in the shade and were less exposed to the luminous explosion survived. No shit. The KGB report goes on to say that the remains of the UFO and the petrified soldiers were transferred to a secret scientific research institution near Moscow. Specialists assumed that a source of energy that is still unknown to earthlings instantly changed the structure of the soldiers

living organisms having transformed it into a substance whose molecular composition is no different from that of limestone turn them in the limestone turn them literally in a limestone this is a CA pay CIA yeah well this is a CIA paperwork? Well, this is, you know, they're reading from a KGB file, right? So it's just, go to the very bottom of that again, Jamie, the very bottom of that. It says one of the things it says, the CIA representative stated, if the KGB file corresponds to reality, this is an extremely menacing case. The aliens possess such weapons and technology that go beyond all our assumptions. They can stand up for themselves if attacked. The thing is they're saying if

the file corresponds to reality that means there's a question. If this is real they're tough. Yeah they can fuck with you. What year was this released? I don't know. Source is a newspaper. 1991? 93.

So there's all these disclosures that are going on right I don't know. Source is a newspaper. 1991? 93. 93. So there's all these disclosures that are going on right now, and they're very, very fascinating because it's hard to know what's true and what's not true. But it's interesting that they're talking about it. But no one's showed me anything yet. I'm waiting for them to show me things. I've seen some things already, like those videos that they took off the uh the the fleer video and the

go fast video and these these videos of these things with these jet fighter fighter pilots are trying to track this thing it's like zipping across the sky and like what the fuck is that i've seen a few of those i've seen talk to two different fighter pilots that have had encounters and they're all in they're all in i I think there's a real thing going on. What that real thing is is what's confusing to me. I think some of it has to be ours. I think some of it has to be like super advanced drone technology that we don't want everyone knowing about.

And it's probably some black ops shit. But I don't think that's all of it. I think it's also possible that we've been visited. It just makes sense. It sounds so stupid. That's part of the problem of even talking about it because it sounds dumb because there's no evidence. So you have to believe in something where there's no evidence of it other than like some blurry photographs. But then when you just think about the size of the universe itself and the fact that we exist.

We exist here on this planet. We're real. We know we're real. What if it's fucking a Martha or whatever and they're from fucking the center of the earth and the holes in the polar – the poles or whatever, north and south. That's where the holes are and that's why Google Maps blocks it all out and all that shit. Well, that would be a great theory before cell phones. But it's not there. You still can't see it.

But you can with satellites and also flight patterns. Copy and paste, by the way. You know who doesn't think the world is flat? Pilots. True. Or anyone who's been in an airplane. They fly around, these motherfuckers they know they know where they have to go they know the flight patterns you look at it yeah you look at

it also by the way everything's round go out in the fucking sky and look at mars look at jupiter get a telescope look at all the stars notice how everything's round seems like there's a pattern going on yeah why would this be different this ass is round yeah i don't know it's it's so weird man it i don't know and you're talking about the oh shit moment i think we've been so like normalized to it like et all this shit growing up watching this shit to where it's like yeah no shit everyone no matter what the surveys say or anything, everyone thinks there's like something going on. Everyone. Yeah. There's a few people that still are very incredulous.

Elon, believe it or not, is incredulous. He's famously said if aliens are real, they sure are subtle. They're very subtle. Bigfoot's subtle, too. Doesn't mean he's not an interdimensional being that could teleport at will. He knows where the cameras are.

He's an omniscient being. He shuts down trail cams. Bigfoot is just Jesus Christ full beard all over. He's just Woods Jesus. Yeah, that's what he is. Y'all seen the woods Jesus? He's a mythical creature that's looking out

for humanity. Our brothers and sisters they need our help. He's a benevolent kind being. He's got a big heart. Bro, the biggest scam ever pulled in the American public is finding Bigfoot. They did that show for like 50 years. It is so good. I like the Bigfoot. That show, they did that show for like 50 years.

It is so good. It's so good. I like the Bigfoot Hunters. I like all those shows. Where they bring up, I know they're not going to catch it and I don't care.

Of course, I still watch it. And you can tell, now, it's gotten to the point where it's all just, just actors. They're just going out there.

This is so scripted, it's not even funny. Yeah, they're pretending that they're encountering things and they're hearing going out there this is so scripted it's not even funny yeah they're pretending that they're encountering things they're hearing things in the woods it's it's crazy i watch i watch there's this whole on discovery i watch discovery or i have discovery plus and there's a show about vampires and they were talking to these two vampire hunters, and they were like, it was like, imagine like Blade, but like two blades, and they were like acting like Blade. And I was like, this is not fucking, this is undiscovery. This is undiscovery, dude. That's hilarious.

Dude, it was like two blades. What if they go fucking kill somebody? They're crazy. That's what I'm saying. They were like, we know, we know they're fucking out there, but it's all, it was like two. What if they go fucking kill somebody? They're crazy. That's what I'm saying. They were like, we know they're fucking out there. But it's all acting. Bro, imagine if they were.

That opening scene to Blade, when that dude gets dragged into the vampire disco. I don't like surprises. Or he does like surprises, actually. That's just amazing. Play that scene. That is so good. Play that scene. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, shit ever the first one and he cuts that he cuts that guy's hand off with this fucking yeah drawstring thing oh man that's so cool man yeah those movies are the shit but the first one's the best this poor dork this poor dude this poor dork thinks he's gonna get to bang tracy lords and she drags him through this meat processing thing and while he's doing it he like he kind of sees people he's like what the fuck as he's going through, he kind of sees people. He's like, what the fuck? As he's going through all this hanging meat, they get to a point where people are rolling by.

He's looking at frozen people. But this dumb motherfucker wants pussy so bad, he keeps going. If you see an elevator, or just a normal elevator With a bouncer and a trench coat He's ready to bail And she grabs him and kisses him And he's like okay cool This song is so hard This song is so hard

Give me that Jamie This fucking scene rules dude She's great too She's great too Frost is like Girlfriend in the movie Yes And that dude who plays the sidekick

Who gets his hand cut off That guy's the shit He's so good I fucking love this scene Because They all know he's meat And he doesn't know he's meat he's the only meat in there only meat in there man and they all recognize it

and he's trying to get behind it he's like let's go yeah he starts dancing out there look at him what's up dude what's up, dude? What's up, man? And then the blood. It's so crazy because you don't know. So far, you don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah. Did they stop the new Blade? I heard they were making... I think there's a series, right?

But I thought it was a movie and they stopped making it. Oh, no. Did they? I don't know. I hope not. It definitely got pushed back a few months. It got pushed back? I don't know was it but there's a writer's game yeah the fucking actor strike whenever blade comes in wesley's such a fucking hard ass oh this scene is insane yeah yeah thank you jane yeah here's the part where the blood starts dripping from the ceiling.

That's so good. And they're all throwing their arms up in the air. Why does no one do this? This would be a crazy party. In, like, real life, this would be a crazy fucking party not real blood but like pretend blood yeah you'd have to do pretend but then people would do one with real blood just like they're having no rules fights where you eye gouge yeah you win you win by eye gouging

now he's realizing it's all vampires around him. He's about to get fucked up. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. They're so good oh my god look how clean Blade is so clean right here too

look at that the day walker motherfucker's always trying to ice skate uphill is what he says to Frost right before he fucking kills him. That's the coolest thing.

Yo, let's go! Come on. That, I think, is like out of all the superhero movies. That's the best introduction. Yeah, it is. It's so good. The best introduction of, it is. It's so good. The best introduction of a superhero ever. It's so good. It starts in the...

It's so good. Yeah, I mean, that's how you see Blade. Yeah. That's the first time you see it. That's why I was so disappointed. They're still doing the 2020... Because it's supposed to be this year. But I don't know if it's actually... There's a teaser trailer for it. Oh.

Because that was my favorite shit as a kid. As well as the trailer? He's so good. That actor they got to do Blade. He is so good. I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven. We'd be at the bottom of the food chain up there. But down here, we could live like kings.

Sure you're ready for that, Mr. Whitman? Uh, this might... What was that? What do you mean? I don't know. He didn't say that, so this could be a fake trailer. He didn't say that. He did not say that. It could just be lagged. How do you know he didn't say it?

Just like a re-upload or something? His mouth didn't move that way. Sure you're ready for that, Mr. Whitman? Yeah, not even close. Let it go, though. I'm dating. There are watchers behind the eyes all over the city.

That looked okay. A hunter at night drinks human blood. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. And we'll grant you the destiny you seek. Tonight is not a game. It is a hunt. That didn't see. That looked weird.

Yeah, that wasn't a real trailer. Yeah, it's like a fan edited trailer. You think so? I've been, yeah. There's a, I've seen a really good one recently where like people are actually getting real jobs for making fan edited trailers. That's crazy. That's smart, right?

And then you show it to the studio. Yeah. The studio's like, right? And then you show it to the studio. The studio's like, find that fucking guy. They just take what from the teaser or whatever and put a song there? You know what drives me crazy? Who decided that that's how music for a trailer has to be? Ba-dum. Ba-dum.

Ba-dum. Right. Anticipation You know what it was the inception It was inception That was like Right I don't know

Every movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same Every music trailer Or movie trailer soundtrack is exactly the same. That's interesting. It's true, though. It's true. It's like there's a pattern to get you jazzed up about something. But see, it's starting to wear off because I'm like, okay, I hear it.

Because it's played out. Yeah, I hear it. Now we need like a trailer with no music. Trailers used to be one of my favorite parts of going to the movies. Really? Yeah, man. You get a good trailer, a good solid trailer that sucks you in like oh shit that was how you found out about movies right then right oh you didn't see oppenheimer yet right no no no no no no no no no a trailer

for this before and the sound because you're in the imax theater with oppenheimer makes this movies i mean it already looks good but the trailer and the audio is it the same contract this is killers of a flower no it's not good, but the trailer and the audio... Is it the same soundtrack? This is Killers of a Flower Moon. No, it's not at all, but like... They added... Whoever added this together did a great job. Oh, is this new? Yeah, this comes out later this year.

Killers of the Flower Moon. Cleo's a beast. My color. They use the sound great. The Osage. They have the worst land possible. But they outsmarted everybody. The land had oil on it.

Black gold. Money flows freely here now. I do love that money, sir. This wealth should come to us. Their time is over. It's just going to be another tragedy. When this money started coming, Another tragedy. When this money started coming, we should have known it came with something else. They're like buzzards circling our people.

We're still warriors. I ought to kill these white men who killed my family. I need you here. I am right here. You've got to take back control of your home. I was sent down from Washington, D.C. to see about these murders. So you what about them? We'll see who's doing it. expecting a miracle to make all this go away you know they don't happen anymore

whoa it's a good trailer oh that's a good fucking trailer original trailer soundtrack that's a good trailer. Ooh. That's a good fucking trailer. That's an original trailer soundtrack, too. That's a good fucking trailer. Yeah. I'm going to see that fucking movie. It's cut well. I'm going to see that fucking movie. You ever watch an old movie with no soundtrack in it, and you're like, wow, this is wild.

They have no music in this movie. I'm trying to think of the last movie i watched with no soundtrack in it if you watch some old at like watch the hustler with paul newman and jackie gleason there's no music playing unless there's music in the background of a bar or something right there's no like music sound there's no music that accompanies the scenes no country for for Old Men's got no scenes. No Country for Old Fucking Men. The coolest fucking movie. That's the best movie of all time. I love that fucking movie.

Javier Bardem is like the best bad guy of all time. Oh my God, he's insane in that movie. He's insane in that movie. He's unhinged. He really does. Thank you. He really does appear to be that guy. He feels like a psychotic guy that kills you with a cattle prod.

Even that scene where he's driving on the bridge and there's a bird on the bridge and he just goes and tries to kill it. Yeah. But misses. Like that says so much about that character. Yeah. It is so fucking good. The way he kills people, too. It was so crazy.

The fucking shower curtain. Yeah. The shower curtain where he sees that motherfucker and he's like, yeah. Just blast him through the shower curtain. Yeah. I love that movie. That movie has no music in it. Wow.

I love that. I love that. Yeah. wow i love that i love that yeah it's a weird thing where you're you're listening to music in a scene and it's telling you how to think right you know where it kind of takes away a little bit of the the suspension of disbelief that you have that character and that's why I love that the contrast and the juxtaposition of different music than you would expect. Like, and the Django, whenever he goes and fucking kills the whole house to Tupac. Yeah. That shit is so hard because it's been Western music the whole time.

Right, right, right. That's such a Tarantino move. He always has amazing music choices. For those big culmination scenes, what was the song in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? Whenever everything was fucking going down. Because it always builds up to that one scene with the contrasting music it is so fucking cool yeah i love that i love that it's just like oh i'm gonna fucking be in a war scene to like fucking like uh where's my mind like even the where is my mind like that's great but like it

just it's so it's so fucking cool dude this scene is insane the music in the background yeah there's music there's music there Yeah, there's music there's music there Doors? No Did you watch this movie? Oh yeah Yeah, I love this movie. I watched this movie with Dave Chappelle and Donnell Rawlings in a movie theater that we had all rented out. There was no one in it but us.

All the comics and the dudes we work with went to see it at like two o'clock in the morning after our show it's so good it's amazing you get that build up for that fucking it's also it's such a tarantino movie like i was like the the violence in it is so egregious like if someone just made only in that one deal right but it's enough it's enough it's so good and then he goes he's like you know what I'm getting out the fucking flamethrower from my movie prop from a while ago

that shit is so crazy dude yeah exactly oh you're a home intruder I'm pulling out my fucking flamethrower. Oh, God. That shit is crazy, dude. It's a crazy movie, man.

I love that movie. It's such a fun movie, too, because it's like a reimagining of the Manson murders. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it Manson? Yeah. Like, actual? Or was it like a playoff of i think it was the manson family coming after him but he does it but he yeah it was no it was yep yep because uh yeah tate's in the movie everybody the director his idea in the movie briefly. The Italian director that was in the, with Sharon Tate. Oh, yeah, Manson was in that.

That's right. That's crazy, dude. And they go to that ranch. Yeah. They go to the ranch, and they're looking for the owner of the ranch, and he's sleeping. He's like, he doesn't feel very good. That's a crazy movie.

It is a crazy movie. It's very good. It's a very good movie. And that's what they did too. They whacked people for Charlie. And just, is the ranch story real? I guess specifically is what I'm thinking about. What is the actual story?

Like, what do they say? That they killed the guy who owned the ranch and took it over or something? Yeah, well, I guess in the movie, he's super... He's dead. I don't know if that's based on a real story, but I bet it is. I bet that's real. Or at least if he's not dead, he's just fucking fucked up out of his mind like just they gave him all the drugs in the world but i think there were some cases of like girls honey

potting dudes and then the the other manson family guys would come over and it would turn into a shit show i think that's what happened with brian wil Dennis Wilson, his manager. They became entrenched with Charles Manson. And I think Dennis, we brought up this the other day, right? Dennis Wilson was his manager at one point or something, was going to produce a record for him or something like that. And it went sour. And, you know, then now you have the fucking head of the Manson family who hates you and wants to kill you Brian same Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys

yeah yeah his brother was a producer have you listened to his music sure look at that while gathering his cult following Manson was a singer songwriter in the fringe of the Los Angeles music industry chiefly through a chance association with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys who introduced Manson was a singer-songwriter in the fringe of the Los Angeles music industry, chiefly through a chance association with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys,

who introduced Manson to record producer Terry Melcher. His music is so different. Yeah, it's fucking weird. It's weird. Yeah, play some Charles Manson music. It's weird listening to his voice. Because we know, but that was like right before it's crazy dude it's so it's fucking gives me fucking chills dude it's so weird

the fucking eyes dude And all you do is cry. And can you feel? Ah, those feelings. The fucking eyes, dude. Look at your game, girl. What a mad delusion. Living in a confusion. Frustration and doubt. Can you ever live without a game? It makes sense that he could do that. It's weird, man.

Because he's charismatic, right? He was a cult leader. He has charisma. He knows how to captivate people's attention. And that's what he's doing through his singing. It's so weird, dude. Weird. It gave me chills listening to that fucking come on and look at that fucking picture. It's just so

it's so strange. Yeah. It's strange. It's strange. Strange as a recording. Charles Manson's song that's out there. Crazy. I think there's more. I think there's more than that. There's like a whole record, no? It's crazy. Did you ever see Searching for Sugar

Man? No, sir. Do you know the song? You know the story behind it? No, sir. Bro, this is a crazy story. That might have been him singing, just for record. What's that? That wasn't him? Wasn't Charles Manson? It's fake?

No, no, no. I'm reading that he wrote these songs. Oh. And someone else sung it? That might have been someone else's voice. Might have been, or is? Trying to figure it out? The actual thing we just listened to, I don't know,

but I'm like, here's a link that says, listen to these Charles Manson songs, and he's credited as the songwriter for them. He might have been trying to write Beach Boys songs. Interesting. Interesting. I didn't know they had any Brian Wilson. Yeah.

They had any connection. That's crazy. This one says that these are performed by Steve Grogan. Steve Grogan. Okay, so he wrote it. 1970 recordings of Manson songs. Whoa. That's crazy. Jamie, Google

searching for Sugar Man. This is a movie that I think you would love. So this movie is about this guy who made these albums he made an album in the 70s made some recordings and nobody they didn't take off over here in america but people were playing them in south africa and in south africa this guy was gigantic. And there was all these rumors about him being dead. Meanwhile, the guy was in America doing construction work.

He was like a laborer. Really? Yes. So then all of a sudden they find him. What is his name? It says it right there. Just scroll up. Rodriguez.

Rodriguez. So this guy doesn't know that he's a fucking huge star in South Africa. And they find him and then they bring him to South Africa to do a concert. And it's fucking bananas. And then they bring him to South Africa to do a concert. And it's fucking bananas. He had, imagine having no idea that there's hundreds of thousands of people. What year is this? Well, the documentary was like.

10 years ago was when the movie came out. Right. And like, what was the event? 98, it said on that tape. So 98, so no internet. So that's how it happens. This is the kind of shit that happened before the internet somebody got a hold of his records

and played it on the radio some guy was an aficionado was like I love this song and he has some great songs some great music it's really interesting music and you know he's

it was a fucking huge star in another country and he had no idea and this is the movie about like him going on stage and brought me to tears man brought me to tears when he went on stage it's like holy shit what is that like for him yeah i had no idea that's crazy it's like he's living how do you even go do a show how do you even go do a show do a show i can't do a fucking show and i know that

there's people coming like i can't even fucking do a show and like he's believed to have sold more records in south africa than elvis presley that's crazy insane sexto rodriguez is his name wow you ever heard any of his stuff no sir let me pull up something pull up some shit that's crazy he's got a great voice it's great stuff sugar man i guess yes sugar man's a good one looking for trying to find here is a Sugar Man won't you hurry cause I'm tired of these scenes

for a blue coin won't you bring back all those colors to my dreams silver magic ships you carry

jumpers coke sweet mary jane sugar man met a false friend on a lonely dusty road. Lost my heart when I found it.

It had turned to dead black coal. Silver magic ships you carry. Jumpers, coke Coke Sweet Mary Jane It's a good fucking song, right? It's so good. It's really good. Sugar man You're the answer

That makes my questions disappear It's great writing. It is. It is really good. It really breathes really fucking nice, and his voice is insane Jamie what year was this That this was recorded

I think 68 Wow He was one off So this dude He was almost in the good year This dude for 69 30 years

Thought he didn't make it That's crazy And then he goes over And he does stand He stands up in front of an arena filled with people. Quit music in 1976 and purchased a house in Detroit for $250 technically. Wow. $250?

And he lived there until 2013. Yeah, his house had like no heat, you know, like a fireplace. It's weird shit, man. What's a fireplace? You know, where the fire is, like a fireplace. It's weird shit, man. What's a fireplace? You know, where the fire is. In the corner. That's fucking crazy. I gotta look into fucking Rodriguez.

What a fucking legend. I think the guy wound up giving all his money away, too. He's kind of... I mean, that might be one of them legend stories. I tell a lot of those, unfortunately. Don't turn out to be true. I hear a lot of legends, and't turn out to be true i hear a lot of legends and i just fucking repeat a mad nauseam but i think the thing about him was people said that he had given

his money away and that he just kind of went back to a simple life and stopped performing you know maybe he experienced it in the documentary and all the heat and all the attention he's like yeah you know what i'm an older man now and i'm not interested in this anymore i was interested in this when i was a young man and now i just want to chill yeah and like he fucking knows he did it now at least like wow people enjoyed it and it's really good man yeah it's crazy songs that can slip through that like people like how was that like you find out a song from 1969 you're like how was that not a fucking smash hit yeah do you ever heard of a johnny thunder no sir play i'm alive by johnny thunder my friend brian simpson told me about this the other day and he goes you got to

hear this song and he plays he goes and we were to, we had to do the research. When was this released? We thought it was 2011. It's 1969. It was like re-released. Damn. Okay. All right. But I want you to imagine a world where a dude who makes a song that's this fucking good isn't a superstar.

Listen to this shit. Sounds like the Black Keys. 1969. Listen to this guy. Yeah, dude. Damn. You said it does sound modern because the way they cut records now is just like... They chase that retro vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What year was this?

69, son. His distortion is crazy on that guitar. That tone is amazing. God damn, this is good. Woo! I'm a man And I'm red I'm yellow And I'm black And I'm pale I'm a man God damn this is good Woo I'm gonna get out my phone I'll send it to you

I'll send it to you Yeah please thank you I'll send it I will not forget This is one of my favorite songs I fucking love this song Yeah you gotta send that to me I listen to this song

Every night in my green room That shit is amazing That's like mandatory listening Yeah that shit is really good I listen to Open the Gates That's the first song We listen to when song every night in my green room. That's like mandatory listening. Yeah, that shit is. I listen to Open the Gates. That's the first song we listen to when I get in the room because it's a crazy song. It's just a good way to get it going. What is this?

This is the other version of it? He covered this version of it. Yeah. Their version sucks. Oh, yeah? This version. Listen to this. It's slower. Listen to this. It's slower.

Listen to this, though. They got good monthly listeners. They got 1.7 million. Well, it's Tommy James and the Shondells. They're very famous. I don't know them. Really? No.

Oh, yeah. They're a 1960s band. I would like to see Joe Rogan with like a mod haircut. Yeah, I'd go for it, bro. You'd look cool. Full of hair, I'd get mutton chops.

Koozie, baby. Let's go, baby. Give me them fucking big collars, bitch. Elvis collars. Let's go. Do I make you rendy? There's a cover,

country version of it too with Kenny Chesney and Dave Matthews. I do love me a little Kenny. Let's hear a little bit of that. Let's hear a little bit of that. Man, actually, it's called I'm Alive. This could be a different song before we get too far.

Yeah. All right, I'll just skip that. It sounds very different, unless they completely whitened it up. It's not an unoriginal. They brutalized it. They brutalized that song. Kenny Chesney does not have the mod haircut, man. Yeah.

But that song, it's a perfect song. It's like, just leave it alone. Yeah, you get so much with it. That song's perfect. That song's so good, man. It's got so much fucking feeling to it. And nobody heard about it. It's on the cover by them, by the way.

What's that? That's not the same song. Oh, of course. Yeah, it didn't seem like it as you were playing it. You'd have to have big balls to cover that song after Johnny Thunder. It's just so good. Great name, too. Yeah, what a great name. Not porn star name at all. Johnny Thunder. Joe Rogan, I gotta pee. All right, my brother. Let's wrap this up. I love you. I love you, too. I appreciate you very much, man. Thank you for having me, sir. You're a fun dude. It's always fun to talk to you. Let's do it more

often. I would absolutely love to. All right, and I'll see you very much. Thank you for having me, sir. You're a fun dude. It's always fun to talk to you. Let's do it more often. I would absolutely love to. Alright, and I'll see you tomorrow night. Yes, sir. Oh, we're going to go to the mothership tonight. Yeah, no, we're fucking going party. Let's go. Bye, everybody. Good night. I love you guys. Be safe. Keep being amazing. Have a great night, guys. I love you. Bye.