The Joe Rogan Experience - #2019 - Tim Dillon

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Tim Dillon is a comedian, actor, podcaster, and author. He's the host of "The Tim Dillon Show" and author of "Death by Boomers: How the Worst Generation Destroyed the Planet, but First a Child," scheduled for publication on December 5, 2023. www.timdilloncomedy.com

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! Hey, Tim! Joe Rogan, thank you for having me. What's up, my brother? Always good to see you. Good to be here. You escaped from L.A. before the massive strike.

Yeah, well, there was a... I think it didn't affect flights as much as I thought, but it was a 11,000 city workers decided to strike. And a lot of those are, but air traffic controllers are federal. But the baggage claims all screwed up. They canceled a bunch of stuff. I don't know. It's 11,000 city workers. I don't know what they're, what, you know, I think it's a bunch of different groups of them that want stuff.

Yeah. Is there specific demands? Is it pay increase? Maybe they want to stop getting killed by the homeless. Maybe it's very reasonable. Maybe it has nothing to do with money, and they're like, we just want to stop being people flinging their excrement at us while we're cleaning the park. Could be.

Yeah. I don't know what it is. I don't know what the demands are. Maybe they're scared they're going to be replaced by AI, like the actors and writers. They might be. Who knows? You know what the sketchiest thing that I saw about the whole actor-writer thing was that for background players,

when people work on a film, they wanted access to their image forever. Right. So they would take you and make a digital version of you yeah so if you're like a background guy instead of paying background people to hang around in some crowd scene they will now just fill it in with you so the same background people which is like one of the nuttiest fucking like fringe theories of any catastrophe is that you have these these actors right what do

they call them catastrophe crisis crisis actors right right where these people are hired by the federal government yeah they appear in like multiple different scenarios where they say that something happened to them and the shooter entered into the building and yeah yeah well they're striking next the crisis actors they're gonna go i am worried that my likeness will be used as sandy hook in perpetuity without my yeah it's weird it's weird because it doesn't seem like there's a way to prevent it you know because digital use of your imagery well everybody's every business in the world is using ai right yeah you know these movie studios and you know streamers spent a lot of money investing in uh ai technology during the pandemic they a lot of in-house ai projects and you know i imagine

that they're gonna utilize that technology to some degree. I agree, though, that it's creepy and it will eliminate a lot of jobs. And if there's a way to stop them, great. But is there? There's no way. There doesn't seem to be a way. No, that train is rolling and there's a lot of track in front of it and it has insane momentum and you're not going to put your hand out and stop it. Yeah.

You might mitigate the effects. Maybe the government would pass like a law saying, listen, you can't replace more than 10% of your workforce with AI over the next five years. I don't know if that would even be a feasible thing to do, but maybe they could do something like that. The problem is if you have a business and the business can be better run by AI, do you have a responsibility to hire human beings to do a lesser

job? Great question. It's a real good question. And if you listen to these Drake songs that they're coming out with, M&M's song that just came out with, they're good. Yeah. They're good. I was just having a conversation with Post Malone about it.

You know, Post uses, like, autotune, but he writes all his own songs, you know, and he performs all his own songs. And I think his fans want to know that's him singing the song. They would probably still enjoy a fake Post Malone song, but dude, I saw him live last night. When you see these people singing along with him, it's something really powerful, man. It's not just like a regular concert. They fucking love that dude. Well, look at the Taylor Swift thing, which I feel very left out of because I'm the only

person that has not seen it. And I don't get it. She's clearly talented and God bless. I just don't have that thing where I'm the only person that has not seen it and I don't get it. She's clearly talented and God bless. I just don't have that thing where I'm like... But you're not a girl. That's all it is. Yeah, but the dudes are there too. Yeah, Dave Portnoy loves it. A lot of people love it and

I don't get it and I just begrudge anyone else getting it. It's just not... But maybe if you go to one live you'll get it because it's supposed to be a spectacular show. Sure. Like tons of dancers and visuals. Great.

Yeah, I just. That's phenomenal. I grew up listening to people like Tina Turner and Janis Joplin. Yeah. So to me, it's like Taylor Swift. It's different. It's different. That's all I'm going to say.

I don't want to be attacked. I don't want people following me. It's just. It's different. You know what I mean? It's like this is like the same thing about the Barbie movie Yeah, maybe it's not for you. That's right And if it's not for you and you're that's okay going and giving this scathing review of something That's clearly not for you, right? Look I get it if that's your business you're in the culture war business You're in the critique business. You're in the reaction video business.

Right. I get it. I get it. But just as like a rational person. Yeah. Like imagine being mad that people like Taylor Swift. No, there's no anger. I actually, like most cultural things, I wish I got it.

My life would be easier if I got like, I would be more included. I would be able to participate in conversations easier. Yeah. I want to be in. Right. All these things that people like that I can't get into, I want to be in. The Barbie movie is an interesting one. Yeah.

Because it is clearly a movie that's made for girls and everybody else. But also, it's a Barbie movie. movie. Barbie's appealed to girls. It's like saying Commando was not just for guys. There's a few people on the margins that will like it. There's a few lesbians that go to see Commando

and they're very into it. A few gay men really love Barbie but the vast majority it is gender specific. Yes. Yeah. And there's like a tremendous amount of outrage about that movie. And when I went to see it,

apparently people are upset at my reaction to it. Why? Because you're so genuinely surprised that anyone would be upset at the movie. Right. Because like, it's just,

what they're mad about is talking about the patriarchy. But first of all, it's a fucking parody movie. Right. It's a movie about a doll who comes to life. And you have a doll

who lives in that world where the doll's the most important thing. It's all about Barbie and Barbie's world. Of course, the men would be superficial. Ken is superficial.

Right. That's the plot. That's the... How else are you gonna make a Barbie movie where Barbie comes to life? I mean, it's a great juxtaposition. Like, seeing the difference between the world of living human beings where men are running everything

and the world of Barbie world where the Barbies are the Supreme Court and they all wear bikinis on the Supreme Court. That's funny. It's funny. That's funny. It's a funny movie, man. Yeah. It's like I just don't understand why people would get so upset at this movie that's just not made for them. Well, because it's how they, you said it,

it's how you make money. Yeah. But it's like this culture war aspect of it. It's like, come on, people. Well, there's, I think, an idea that, you know, that everything that's out right now, there's political implications to everything. Everything.

And that's kind of exhausting, right? It's tiring, right? Figuring out if your yogurt is woke. Like going through your grocery, opening your refrigerator and going, what's woke? Is the mustard woke? It's crazy. And I think people are a little sick of it. And I think it's a little, first of all, all the food's poison.

Let's start there. That should make more sense it should be the the barbecue sauce is liquid sugar poison not does it want trans people you know to fucking take their tits out at the white house it's food and it shouldn't you know but it's it's a level of wild that you know i don't think people were prepared for i think bud light made a little bit of a mess right yeah they put dylan mulvaney uh out there and then i think people you know of like, hey, what's going on? And then it just became a firestorm. And then everything else is like contagion.

Yeah. So it spreads now. And now it's like, well, what is Chick-fil-A doing? Are they doing stuff that they shouldn't be doing? Yeah. It's kind of, it's just, it's getting higher. Conservatives are trying to find fake conservatives. Yes.

Like they're engaging in the same sort of behavioral that they accuse liberals doing of these liberal witch hunts. Yes. They're doing it with conservatives. Like you could never be woke enough. You could never be conservative enough. Some of them like want to call people closet, like closet liberals or, you know, that term rhino. Yeah. Republican in name only.

Yes, for sure. The tribal war between human beings that seemingly will always exist. It'll never end. Yeah, Republican in name only. Yes, for sure fat the Tribal war between human beings that seemingly will always exist. It'll never end It's so fascinating how that mindset just takes new forms, you know and and has the same Behavior that the thing that it hated decades earlier like on the left like this This want for war in Ukraine, this trust in the military-industrial complex in Ukraine. What happened to you guys?

Yeah. You guys are a totally different thing. No one's discussing. Every argument made against, rightly, the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, like, what's the plan? Yes. We're going to be in a quagmire. Yes.

You know, the money would be better used at home. All of those arguments were used, you know, at nauseam by people on the left. And they were right. And now if you bring up any of those arguments about the Ukraine, you're called heartless. It's weird. You're called a Putin apologist. It's weird. So it's weird.

And the best take on it was Trump. Right. When he was doing that. What is her name? Caitlin Collins. Is that what her name is? The journalist that was asking him. And she was kind of like trying to say it in a gotcha way.

Right. Who do you want to win? Do you want Ukraine to win this war? And he said, I just want people to stop dying. And that is somehow controversial. Yeah. And because it's coming from him. Right.

And anything that he says, no matter how logical it is, people are going to attack. 100%. And that was a very logical statement. I just want people to stop dying. By the way, that's the appropriate response to truly really every war out there. Yeah. Is that there's been no war that really hasn't been won with some type of agreement, treaty, compromise. Right?

treaty compromise, right? Most wars have some type of end game where you can go, okay, we're going to split up territory. We got to start a provisional government, whatever it is. Now, this might be more difficult to do that. But at the end of the day, unending conflict only hurts the people in those countries fighting the wars and becoming victims of the wars. They don't hurt the people here making a lot of money. It's just so sketchy. Whenever money gets involved. Yes. Whenever you're realizing that people have an incentive to keep this rolling to the tune

of who knows how many billions of dollars so far. How much has been spent on that war so far? Oh, my God. I mean, it's over a trillion probably. You know, we spent a lot of money. Well, what got me interested, what was why i started to read about it and you know was like overnight overnight the worst people in the world were were absolutely in love with the ukraine like the people that you know again the pro-irak war pro-guantanamo bay pro-Guantanamo Bay, pro-torture, pro-preemptive war.

They all were like very much across the board the idea that we have to support the Ukraine for as long as it takes and give them whatever it takes. And I felt like that was crazy because we've seen that in the past bite us in the ass a lot of different places. And they all, I mean, these are like the worst people in the way, the people at Beverly Hills who are like make valets cry, who are like, get my fucking car. Like those people, they all had Ukrainian flags on the outside of their house, but they didn't care about Yemen. They don't care about what goes on in the Middle East in terms of like the

Palestinians or, uh, you know, what's happening over there. They don't care about a lot of issues and a lot of places, but they seem to really believe that we had to arm the Ukraine and engage in kind of this proxy war with Russia for an unending period of time, no matter how dangerous it got. And Russia is a country with a lot of nuclear weapons. So, I mean, what is the American national interest in that continued policy? I don't know. Go to any city in America, right? And you see a lot of problems, homelessness,

drug addiction, all of the money we're sending to the Ukraine probably could be used here. Right. And there was a long period where everybody knew that there should be something done to clean up the places that got hit by the riots, to deal with some of the homeless encampments. There should be a way where reasonable people can come to some solution. We need funding to fix these things. Yeah. But the fact they just all of a sudden have trillions of dollars for this.

Where was all that money? What about investing in cities? Well, in the beginning it was we want peace and Ukraine was invaded by Russia and I understand supporting Ukraine to a degree, but now we're talking about the only acceptable outcome is regime change in Russia.

And then there was this guy, this hot dog warlord, this guy who had sold hot dogs and then was chopping people's heads off. Okay. He did this like fake coup that didn't work. And everybody in our media was like, he's going to be great. Let's get rid of Putin who, you know, his problems, his faults notwithstanding, and he's a murderer, he's done crazy things, but we've lived with him for 20 years in relative peace, meaning like,

we've never had a war with him, right? He's done things in his region, but he was the first leader after 9-11 to cross and say, you know, like, hey, I'm sorry about that, da-da-da-da-da. Whatever the case may be, we were ready to just get rid of him and throw in a dude who hours before

was lobbing people's heads off in the street. Wild. So that to me is like you start looking at foreign policy going, does anyone care about anything? Like, did anybody, like this guy's a mass murderer. He's running the Wagner group, which is like, you know, this group of like prisoners, ex-prisoners, that he recruited from Soviet prisons, from Russian prison.

And these are like murderers and rapists. He's going, let's go to the Ukraine and kill everybody. And then everybody's like, no, he'd be great. Doesn't make too much sense to me. And then that doesn't happen and everyone goes, eh. What the crazy thing is that it's been adopted wholesale by the left. The people that are always the most skeptical about war. Well, were. But I mean, if you look at a lot of wars, I guess in history, a lot of them have been started by Democrats.

It seems like the party in power likes war. Seems like if you're the party in power in this country, you do like a war. With the exception of Trump, and i know people get mad when i say this but trump wasn't in a ton of wars i mean he did do some drone strikes he did things but you know the party powers died like a dog right right the party power they seem to like war and i get it i would too i would too because it gives you something to talk about and do well trump was uh the first guy that i ever saw who was a sitting president who openly admitted that the military-industrial complex wants you to go to war yeah like when Eisenhower was resigning he said it but Trump actually

said that he said it in an interview I think it was with Steve Hilton on Fox yeah which is just a wild thing to hear that they might be influenced yeah more inclined to get not not wars when they're necessary, but like wars that they can justify for financial reasons. And listen, we should treat the people that serve the military with the respect of being honest with them about what their mission is, right? And why they're somewhere.

If you're going to make the ultimate sacrifice for America, you're going to make that sacrifice. You're going to put yourself in harm's way. You might die. You have a family and kids. You're going to put yourself in harm's way. You might die. You have a family and kids. They're not getting paid millions of dollars. We're not making them famous. You know what I mean?

We should treat them with the respect of the things they do should be vital and necessary for our security. They shouldn't just be out there making people money. Right. Exactly. Necessary for our security. They shouldn't just be out there making people money, right? Exactly, which is why when I run the governor when I run for governor of California, which I should you probably win I actually thought about it, you know, maybe not seriously, but you know, maybe I said why not? Why not you would really get a lot of votes? there's something about it because You're serious about it? I might be serious about it because the only thing that's going to be against me is the hours and hours I have of me talking. That's going to be tough because people are going to be able to isolate lots of things I've said and they're going to go, hey, this is crazy.

And I also might get bored with the job in a week and quit. That's the problem. That's the problem. I might just book like a comedy club in Des Moines. Yeah, it's nowhere good. And I might just leave and go, this is kind of boring. Because I don't think, you know, I don't know. Governing, running seems great.

Winning is great. Governing seems terrible. It doesn't seem like it's totally doable. That's right. It seems like whatever changes you make. First of all, imagine you're a guy or a gal or a non-binary person who just becomes the president. You have to run in and fix all of the chaos. You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy.

of the chaos. You have to deal with everything involving foreign policy. You're responsible for everything involving infrastructure, transportation, anything financial. You're responsible for all the failures. You get very little credit for the success. They'll just name the innovators in each field

that did this. And it is a thankless job. And that's why they steal. That is why they steal. You gotta give it to them. The that's why they steal. That is why they steal. Like, you got to give it to them. The reason Pelosi and them steal is because she's like, listen, you motherfuckers didn't care about the student lunch program we did. No one reported on that. So the reality is we're going to have to take a little off the top. You think that's what it is?

That's probably what it is. I think they just get used to that job. That grift? Yeah. I think people, and I think that's how people who are relatively good people become politicians and get tainted by it. Right. I think when you get inside the machine and you realize that influence has a massive effect on all sorts of decisions that get made and that there's some sort of weird loophole that allows you to know about laws that are going

to be passed in advance and then buy stock in accordance to what you know. And it's not insider trading. It's not illegal. It should be. And they all do it. If you look at the congressmen, right and left, they're all doing it. But it's got to suck to be the guy who goes to Washington who doesn't do it. Yeah.

You've got to suck so much. If you get there, and you're from some shit state, right? Delaware, something. And you get there, and you're from some shit state, right? Delaware, something. And you get there, and you're going to ruin the party. You're going to blow the whistle. Everybody's like, dude, this is how we make our money. Right. And you're the guy fucking that up.

That's got to be a lot of pressure. They would kill you. They'd probably kill you. It's like New York City cops. That's right. Yeah, it's like that movie, The 7-5. Yeah. First day on the job, you see a guy get thrown out of a window.

He's like, he jumped, right? And they're like, yeah, definitely jumped. You guys just killed somebody. Yeah. Yeah, I guess there's so much pressure because you don't want to be on the outs with everybody. Yeah, especially when you are involved in this business. It's very competitive, right? You're getting elected all the time.

You're competing with other people. You're trying to get your name out there And you and you're you're in this world where all these people that are in this world are doing this thing You're gonna do that thing too Probably you'd have to be like or you'd have to be very vocal against it now would be a real problem Bernie Sanders who like gets nothing done people just like him yeah, he's liked, but he gets nothing done. He's from Vermont. He's like, you know, I'm cool. I believe in shit.

Everybody's like, good for you. And then nothing happened. I think it would have been an interesting one-term president. Yeah. It would have been very interesting. It would have been very interesting if there was no shenanigans, right? If the DNC didn't rig the primaries. Right.

Because they kind of did, right? I don't know how they did it, but this is something that, what's that woman's name who wrote that book? Donna. Brazil? Donna Brazil, yeah. She talked about it,

and she talked about being terrified after Seth Rich got murdered. Right. You know? She was terrified for her own life? Sure. Right. Look, just random violence.

House of Cards. Not murder. Yeah. But random violence is common in D.C. D.C. is a. Right. But also that probably wasn't. Probably wasn't random.

And that House of Cards, if you rewatch it, I rewatched it. It is probably pretty close to the way things happen. I mean, listen, do they make it fun to watch? Absolutely. I guarantee, when everybody's being blackmailed and controlled and people disappear and die, that probably is close to the way it works. Probably real close. Probably real close.

Yeah, super close. But then you think, how else could it work? Right? Like it's weird to envision it's almost weirder to think of it not working like that in a weird way. Not to be too cynical about it but like just imagining people showing up

in good faith debating each other and being like well I see your point and well I have a point. It feels like that's a total fantasy that would be great and i'd love that to happen that feels more of a fantasy than house of cards where they're like oh you don't want to vote on that bill take a look at that envelope and it's just some you and some chick you're fucking yeah walking out of a restaurant that seems to be more the way it happens definitely more the way it happened in the past. Right. And we know that.

So probably more likely it happens like that now. Right. Imagine being in any other business where when your friend drowns in front of your house, everybody's like, right. Any other business. Like if you're a comic, like if you came over my house and drowned. Right. No one would think I killed you. No one. They would just think you drowned. Absolutely. But if you're a comic, like if you came over my house and drowned. Right. No one would think I killed you. No one.

They would just think you drowned. Absolutely. But if you're a politician, if I was a president. People would be very not shocked if I drowned. It would be a very believable. You could drown me and there would be marks around my neck. They'd be like, that fat idiot fell, choked himself and died. Like it would be easy right? Yeah

Any of our friends for the most part not all pretty much everybody for Alex Jones most people we know Could die and it would be a very believable story. Yes, just some dumb thing they did or sure Yeah, it does happen. But when a chef is on a pond Yeah outside of your house, by the way, when you're not there, like you're letting the chef use your estate when you're not there, doesn't that seem weird that the Obamas were like,

oh, no, no, no, you go, you go use it. He had that $11 million house we have on Martin's Vineyard, you use it. Doesn't that seem odd? Well, if the house is that big though It probably has a guest house if they were there it makes sense. He's cooking for them But what weren't they on the island? I don't know but I think they're saying they were on the island The problem is we can't have access to the recordings

The 911 calls because you'll hear satanic sounds the 9-11 calls because you'll hear satanic sounds in the background yeah you hear a scream there's weird stuff with the police log with that they didn't fill it out immediately

oh really yeah I mean there's shady stuff but listen here's the reality if you're the Obamas and you can't kill someone you want, what is the point? Literally, what is the point? But imagine if you're the Obamas and your friend just fucking drowns. Yes.

I mean. And you didn't have anything to do with it. Maybe he had a reaction to some medication. Poison that you gave him. Or maybe it's a medication that a lot of people took. And he has a heart attack. A lot of people near these people die. That's my only him. Yes. Or maybe it's a medication that a lot of people took. And to me, I'm like, a lot of people near these people die.

That's my only thing. Yeah. Like, if you're like a dog walker for the Clintons or you're like a Shet, like, if you're near

either the Bush family, the Clinton family, like, a lot of these families, the people that are with them, their secret service agents, they have accidents. They hear a lot of stuff.

Yeah. They overhear stuff. They're partying to things. They see things. And then a lot of them just, you know, they have accidents. They hear a lot of stuff. They overhear stuff. They're partying to things. They see things. And then a lot of them just, you know, they have accidents. Yeah. Whoopsies. Bye.

Whoops. Sorry. All of a sudden, the guy's hanging from an extension cord and shoots himself in the chest with a shotgun. That seems, you know, unlikely. Where'd they find the shotgun? How far away did they find it from his body? Some very unusual distance. I'd be so disappointed if we find out none of it's true

oh yeah i would be so disappointed if we find out that all of them died of natural causes i would be so disappointed when were this like 50 people that have died under suspicious circumstances right at least one of them. Right. It says the 12-gauge shotgun was 30 feet from his body when he was found dead. Right. Well, he shot himself and then threw it. 30 feet is very far. That could be that, here's the thing, if you are actually holding a shotgun and shooting it in your chest, there's not gonna be any resistance on the other end, right?

So it's essentially like a rocket So it's not that because of the way you would have to do it. Yeah, shoot yourself in the chest with a shotgun, right? It's possible. It is possible. Yeah, it's possible that it would go flying and then it would fly out. Yeah interesting So maybe he was just super troubled and that is what he did You just got to think about if you're at that if you occupy that level of society and somebody's Threatening you how do you deal with it? If you have the you know, whatever you want to call it the ambition The ruthless it to get there and somebody's trying to take that from you. Yeah, what do you do? How do you handle it? You try to like black in their name in the press you try to besmirch them

And if that doesn't work, what do you do? Do you just say okay? I guess we're just gonna get taken down by a scandal or do you just say hey, we got to take care of this I think it really depends on who you are and what kind of accents to people you have You know, I can't imagine anybody getting to that level of society. Right. And letting themselves get taken down by someone far below them. Usually when those families get taken out, they're taken out by like an equal, someone at their level, right?

But when someone far below you that you could get rid of or, you know, it's like that guy outside of that restaurant in L.A., Austria Mozza and Melrose and Highland, whose car just went into a. Yeah. Things like that happen. And of course, yeah, maybe he was drunk and just decided to go 150 miles an hour. You're talking about that journalist. Michael Hastings. Yeah. Things like that happen and they're weird.

And you say to yourself, like, did you piss the wrong person off and he certainly did? Yeah, and and and and then how do people at that level deal with it? It makes a lot of sense to me That people like that would use Violence to deal with their enemies. Yeah, you know, yeah to silence their enemies forever Like that makes sense to me but maybe I'm too cynical and maybe I'm wrong I don't know but it would make a lot of sense to me that they would there'd be a meeting I think the people would meet and they'd go yeah we got to take care of this we can't

allow this to become a thing yeah you know and that's how they've done it throughout history right I mean that's what they did when they got rid of JFK that's what Lizzo should have done with those bitches but those bitches who turned on her because she was trying to help them first of all that that's not even a character like you don't get to be a fat backup dancer that doesn't exist it's not real Liz character. You don't get to be a fat backup dancer. That doesn't exist. It's not real. Lizzo made that category of person.

She made it. And then they turned on her. That's crazy. She made it. What is she accused of? Fat shaming them. Making them rehearse. Making them stand up.

That's what their version of fat shaming is. Making them stand up and walk onto the stage. Making them rehearse. Taking them to a sex club in amsterdam where uh the performers are shooting bananas out of their pussies because this is what happens and lizzo's like forcing them to touch the nude performers and force one of them to eat a banana that came out of the vagina of a sex worker, performer, dancer in the sex club. Lizzo makes the girl, she's like, eat the banana, eat the banana. And then the girl gets really angry at that. But supposedly Lizzo was just abusing her power.

This is what they're all saying. But I don't know if I buy that. I think it's bitter people, maybe, that are angry. Because they all look like Lizzo. This is what's going to drive them nuts. They look exactly like her. And she's worth $40 million, and they're probably getting paid shit. So they're in the background every night, dancing.

And it ain't easy. It's fun to be on that TV show that she had, but then you have to do it every night and they're icing their joints. You know it's hard. They're in the trailer. It's fucking tough. Lizzo had to start getting on some of them going like, you got to tone it down.

You know, it's becoming a problem. You know, the weight is becoming a problem. And then Lizzo's response was she's like i would never fire any of them because their weight it's like what a weird statement they're dancers how fat can they get how fucking big can they get if i wanted to be a dancer for taylor swift and she came up to me went you're too fat to do this i'd go that makes sense and i'd leave with some dignity but these women Lizzo has them on stage. She has them dancing.

And then all of a sudden, you know, she's abusing or making them do weird shit. And they all are now suing her. And her streaming has slowed down big time. The ads, you know how it is. It's a big cancellation. So did she, so this show show were these girls dancers before they got on her show? No because you can't be a dancer

at a certain let's just be very honest here they're not at the ballet you know how the ballerinas are on the tippy toes? That's not happening these women it's a fetish dancing these are larger women.

And I don't mean like, oh, I had a cheesecake. I mean like, these are big, big, big ladies and they're dancing because Lizzo's whole thing, Lizzo's like, I'm not getting enough attention just being the fatty up front. I want everyone on stage to be fat so I can get more praise.

Because the media will be like, not only is she fat, everyone's fat. The whole stage looks like shit. How good of a person is she? That's what they want. I think that's what she wanted. She wanted, it wasn't enough that it was her,

it had to be everybody. And that's what bit her in the ass. But the question was, these gals, how often did they have to dance? Was it like every night? How often was that show? Was it a once a week show?

What was it? I don't know, but they're on tour, so you'd figure when you're on a... They're on tour. Okay, so they're doing regular shows. Regular shows. Now, this is my question. When you're a big girl and you're not exercising, then all of a sudden someone hires you for a dance show because they want big girls, and then you have to do that kind of shit every day it's tough your body's not prepared for that your joints are weak very hard like you

could get really fucked up doing it's like asking someone to go into like some crazy cardiovascular workout right that's it and they get mad at lizzo because lizzo doesn't have to do anything she just pulls out the flute can i see what it looked? Can you show me what that show was like? Can you show us the big girls? Here come the big girls is the show. But I think they're also angry at Lizzo because they're like, we're dancing and rehearsing. She doesn't have to rehearse. Lizzo just kind of walks out on stage and sings her songs and does a little, but then pulls out the flute.

These girls have to like dance through the whole thing. So it's difficult. It's hard. It sounds hard. It's not easy. Here's the TV show. It's hard for a dancer. Here we go. Okay, so there's Lizzo. It's on Amazon Prime

Video. Lizzo, I'm looking for dancers to join me on my tour. Girls that look like me don't get representation. Time to pull up my sleeves and find them myself. We thick and we pretty and we know what we got. It's the battle

of the big girls. I'm a background dancer for Lizzo. It would just mean everything. You could tell how badly this was going to go, by the way. Hey, ladies! What do we have in store? This is the fun part.

I'm always doubting myself, and I feel like that has been detrimental in how I approach dance. I'm realizing that I do deserve a spot on that stage. It's hard to love yourself in a world that doesn't love you back. You were created specially in your image for you to enjoy. You don't have to be light-skinned you don't have to be skinny you're just beautiful the way you are i need to challenge myself and step outside my comfort zone now i'm going into competition some people are not at the same level that i am i'ma call you little sis he's trying to demean me she's not understanding how to read the room. You might not make it into the show. I see a lot of...

Right. So what was that one that we just passed through? There was one that, like, was that a transgender person? Yes, I believe that is a transgender person. Yeah, even in, like, a quick glance. Yes, it was a quick... That wasn't... I'll say they didn't do a great job

at, you know, fully going to the other gender there. You know what I mean? Yeah. They kind of stopped. And that's fine. Not everyone does a great job all the time at everything. I don't know about anybody else.

I brought my car in to get washed and it comes out and you go, meh. And that's kind of what that was. But. So the show is basically, she's hiring these girls. These girls, listen. And then they're going on tour together. I've had drug at drug addictions. I've had eating things like when you are not in a good mental state, which is a lot of the reason people act out with different things. Right. With substances, with food, with whatever, you know.

And, you know, listen, if you have people that are emotionally that have issues, you know, and Lizzo might have to have them as well. It's a toxic soup of maybe that's a becomes a problem on tour. Yeah. Everybody. It's the idea of a judge having to adjudicate this to me is the funniest thing I've ever. The idea of a judge in a room having to go who called who fat looking Lizzo's on one side and then the dance and he's like staring at everybody going wait who's who who's what who's fat like it's crazy but you know it's unfortunate because you know they're coming for her career yeah they're

coming for her career big time the show itself seems like it would be a health risk oh it is it seems like it would be a health risk. Oh, it is. It seems like it would be, right? To force people to work out. Yes. Part of the lawsuit has to do with the recording that one of the dancers made, and I'm reading this article. This sounds interesting if you guys would want to read it.

Okay. It's pretty fun. The suit also describes an alleged meeting with dancers on April 27th at which Lizzo repeatedly referenced Williams' termination, allegedly telling her that she had, quote, eyes and ears everywhere. Davis recorded this meeting because she suffers from an eye condition

that can make her, quote, disoriented in stressful situations, according to the suit. Days later, Lizzo allegedly held an emergency meeting where she discovered that the previous meeting had been recorded, the suit says. She became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stating that she was going to

go around the room person by person until somebody told Lizzo, who made the recording, according to the lawsuit. The suit says Davis confirmed that she had recorded the meeting, allegedly told Lizzo that she hadn't meant any harm, and had deleted the video. Lizzo allegedly responded, there is nothing you can say to make me

believe you. So it's kind of like mafia shit. Here's what I want to There is nothing you can say to make me believe you. So it's kind of like mafia shit. All right. Well, someone did. Here's what I want to know. When it says became furious, hurling expletives at the group and stated that she was going to go around the room person by person until someone told Lizzo who made the recording. God, I hope she refers to herself in the third turn. Yes.

Third person. Somebody better tell Lizzo. I hope that's how she says it. That would be amazing. If she said someone better tell Lizzo. Yeah, I mean, she brought all these women on tour probably to abuse them, you know? I don't think they thought it through.

That's what I'm saying. When you have a bunch of fatty boom baddies on the tour, she's probably having a little fun going, girls, you know, she's probably Eat some pussy out of a banana. Eat the pussy banana. And also, bitch, do it, because where else are you going to dance? You're not getting hired

anywhere else. Like, unfortunately or fortunately, you're not working. So you were given this really weird, unique opportunity that only exists with this one woman yeah it doesn't exist anywhere else so you know there's this this is like not to body shame anybody but there was there's been a weird shift yes and just the way society looks at these things yes because it used to be that women that were representing clothes and things had ideal shapes.

Yes. Like that's what they used for advertisement. Right. And then something changed and they decided to- Well, society used to really prioritize people who could breathe on their own. and and i and and listen listen as a person i've struggled with my weight i but i know that fat is not good eating the wrong thing isn't good we shouldn't turn it into good right it's crazy to turn it into good that's a a horrible idea. There's people that could be encouraged in this exact same state.

They could either be encouraged that you're perfect on your own and don't you worry about anything. Right. And don't you even worry about what food is. Just eat to your heart's content. Right. Well, there were things that LA,

they put this weird story out where it was like the LA school district was like, let school district was like let's stop telling kids that fruits and vegetables are good and that junk food is bad because the reality is that's racist i don't know how i don't know how either but they were like yeah they were like it's racist if you tell a kid there's a difference between an oreo and an orange that is racist um recently they had a thing where lizzo lost a few pounds. I don't know how, but she did. You know, she moves around a lot, so she shaved a couple off.

Maybe lost a little bit in the face. Don't know how it happened. They started attacking her. The fat activist people started saying, how dare you? You're losing weight. You're the symbol of fat. And she should never have let them put that crown on her. Yeah.

She should have said, hey, I'm an artist. I'm a singer. This is what I do. Not, I'm the symbol of all fat people. Because now you own them. Now you own the fatties. And you have to stay fat. And you gotta stay fat. So Lizzo loses a few pounds

and then people start attacking her going, how dare you lose the weight? And Lizzo literally made a statement. She said, I move around a lot for my job. I mean, look at how insane this world is. Lizzo goes, I move around a lot for my job. I lost a little bit of weight. I'm not trying to be thin.

I don't even want to be thin. This was an accident. To keep this rapid fan base of crazy people. My health was an accident. My health was an accident. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. I didn't mean to improve.

It won't happen again. So we've gone so far. Can I just tell this? Kevin James had a manager that told him once, when you're losing weight, you're losing roles. Right. Well, if you're an actor and you're used to that certain thing, you know, people got to get used to you another way, whatever. But, like, you got to remember with somebody like Lizzo, right, you couldn't lose a lot of weight. You're still a problem.

Like, that's the whole thing. It's like she could lose a lot of weight and it's still, like, it's such a luxury concern when people are like, well, how's the world going to relate to me with a six pack? It's like, just stand up by yourself first and then get to there. But it's crazy. We've shifted the goalposts. We're like, let's not abuse people. Let's not be nasty to people, especially if you don't know them. Or if you know them, if they're your kids or your friends it's completely appropriate to go hey what's going on here

but if you don't know people shitting on them on the internet or whatever that's a shitty thing to do but saying that there's no difference health wise between the big girls on that show and then thinner dancers is crazy and we can't live in a world

we can't live in a world where we remove all sense of reality. Right. Because then it's like, the only fun of eating a cupcake or a little scoop of ice cream is knowing it's bad. Right. That's the point. Not because it's good. Right.

When you eat a little something you shouldn't eat, you go, I did the wrong thing. I'm a bad boy. And you should feel ashamed a little bit. There should be a little something you shouldn't eat, you go, I did the wrong thing. I'm a bad boy. And you should feel ashamed a little bit. There should be a little shame there. And it's worth the shame because it tastes so fucking good. Yeah, but it's worth the shame. Like, you know, if you've ever been, I walked out of a frozen yogurt shop once and someone recognized me.

I don't get recognized all the time, but somebody recognized you. You should be ashamed of that. If someone goes, hey man, I like your stuff, and you're holding frozen yogurt at 2 p.m., you should be ashamed of that. That should be a shameful moment in your life. You should be like, walking out of an ice cream shop in the mid-afternoon with Sam Talent in Austin,

walking out of Amy's Ice Cream with Sam Talent, and then somebody goes, oh, Tim Dillon, and you go, you spin around, you look at, and it's two, and the only other people in the thing are children

because it's a fucking ice cream shop. The only people there are fucking kids. They're nine years old, right? And then these rich BK moms, there should be a moment

where you go, oh, this isn't good. This isn't right. Divorcing yourself from that, that's when I think comedy gets weird. That's when I think comedy gets weird. That's when I think everything gets weird. When you stop saying what is real or true to you, and when you start adopting this idea that up is down and down is up, and it's just a matter of how you look at it, that's when everything starts to get crazy.

Yeah, and that's where we are. That's kind of where we are. There's a certain percentage of the population that is questioning everything right now. I mean, mathematics. They're talking about mathematics being racist and subjective or somehow. What was the argument? I don't know.

Because it was designed, anything designed by white people, I guess, is inherently potentially so dumb. Now it's important to Because it was designed, anything designed by white people, like I said, is inherently potentially. You just gotta- So dumb. Yeah. Well, now it's important to like, local stuff's important now, right? Like your family. You can't really rely on institutions.

You can try to improve them, but the local stuff's important. Like your family, your community, the values that people have, right? And the schools you send your kids to, like the context you provide your kids now. So when they come home and go, well, the teacher said this, and you go, yeah, yeah, but let me. You can't outsource it anymore

and trust that your kids are going to get like a good education. You have to get involved and go, okay, your teacher might have some points, but also there's also a whole other world here. Like, I think, I don't think we could send kids to school and have them go like, no, your teacher's right about everything, which I never believed. I never believed that somebody driving a Toyota Camry was correct.

Well, you also have to think that those adults are with your children more than you are during the day. That's right. They're there for hours and hours with the undivided attention of your kids. That's right. And some of them are fucking loons. Some of them are not. Some of them think that they have a job to do to remove the programming of the parents that they don't agree with.

Right. So they could not agree with the parents and tell the kids that the parents are wrong and they're right. Right. Which is a real creepy thing because I don't know who's right and who's wrong. This is a made up scenario, right? But just that someone would decide that they are right and the parents are wrong and they want to convince this child of something, whether it's they have political leanings, whether it's their attitude on whatever the fuck it is,

whatever it is, that someone would get into your kid's head and have some very questionable and debatable ideas that they're trying to push as doctrine. And that does happen i've had some shitty fucking teachers that will just tell you you know tell you that they are right about certain things yes i used to do cocaine with the substitutes at my school and those were that was kind of the level of teacher we had but we had some great teachers and then we had some teachers that were not great right you know we all know those teachers right we all know great teachers and then we had some teachers that were not great. Right. You know, we all know those teachers,

right. We all know those teachers who had a kind of an agenda. Like they went in and they were like, they were teachers because nobody would listen to them. So now they had this captive audience and they were like, well, I'm going to talk. We had a health teacher like that in,

uh, you know, uh, high school that had like an agenda, not even like a sexuality agenda or whatever. She would just complain about her own miserable life to us. Like she would just tell us about her husband and everything like that.

She was going through a divorce. Oh my God. And you're like, oh, this woman just wants people to talk to. And that's how she taught class? Yeah, she just would complain about like, she had just gone through a divorce and, you know, like the husband. And what was

the subject it was health it's like a fake class anyway kind of and this bitch would just get up and like literally she said to one kid once she goes you're like a really effeminate kid he was like well if i get married she goes you're gay and and oh my god and then the class was like what and then she's like she goes and, and he goes, excuse me. And she goes, no, you're gay. And then just moved on. Like she was wacky.

And I think she ended up getting fired. But she clearly used her classroom as like a thing, like a therapy session. Yeah. Where she wasn't like going over, you know, this was just like her.

I think that my grandmother was a teacher. She was an amazing teacher. But yeah, I don't think it's appropriate uh to like you can have opinions obviously as a teacher but like you know you gotta understand that there's like certain things that but then there's overreaction too

where I think they banned the book in Florida because it had two penguins that were dudes but it wasn't like they weren't the penguins weren't fucking what they unbanned the book. Come on. DeSantis gets a little wild. Well, he's probably got some really wild people that are supporting him. Yeah, so he gets a little wild. You get into those

religious groups. It gets a little cult-like. Yeah. It gets a little cult-like. But as somebody who's been out of the closet for years and years and don't hide anything, I don't think six-year-olds should be taught about any sexuality No, it has nothing to do with their lives, right? They should be taught reading math the alphabet

Anybody going like boys in this line girls in this line and this line is for my special people like yeah out That's what I feel. Yeah, and and that's what most gay people over a certain age feel. It's like, it's silly. And Tango Makes Three recounts the true story of two male penguins who were devoted to each other at the Central Park Zoo in New York. A zookeeper saw them building a nest and trying to incubate an egg-shaped rock, gave them an egg from a different penguin pair with two eggs after they were having difficulty hatching more than one egg at a time. The chick cared for by the male penguins was named Tango. So male Tango had two gay dads. Is that...

Yeah, I'm trying to... That's what they're saying. But they unbanned this, I think. They banned it and then unbanned... I don't know why they unbanned it. It was... The ban was lifted because I guess it wasn't explicit.

What is wrong with gay penguins? I don't know. But I think it's an overreaction because it's like- But there were books where they were showing- Of course. Crazy shit. Explicit oral sex. They were showing illustrations of oral sex.

That's crazy. That's crazy. No, it's insane. And talking about lust and wanting someone. It's essentially like cartoon pornography. No, that's crazy. And it's also crazy to introduce the concept of gender theory to children. It's not fair. It's essentially a cartoon pornography. No, that's crazy. And it's also crazy to introduce the concept of gender theory to children. It's not fair.

It's not fair. It's crazy. It's not fair. It's crazy. Kids are so fucking malleable, man. They're malleable. And if they hear like, oh, there's boys and girls, and then there's this guy. If you're transgender, you'll know.

You'll know. If you're gay, you'll know. There isn't like, you don't need to be told that you're transgender or gay or lesbian, whatever. You don't need to be told that by anybody. Another thing that really scares me is there does not seem to be a lot of attention paid made to detransitioners. Right. You know, when you're celebrating this one thing, there's another side. I feel like you have a

responsibility. Except Ben Shapiro is doing a new musical, The Detransitioners. That would be very good. He apparently hated Barbie. On his platform, where it's going to be a bunch of trans people who've DJed. Well, the funniest thing now is some of the people that are critical of the trans stuff are like

trans people that like have detransitioned. So they look wild. And then they're on Twitter or whatever it's called now fighting with the other people. And you're like, it's like the Lizzo fat thing where you go, wait, who's what?

Like, I don't even know what's happening, but yeah, there's a lot of people that went through that stuff and went back. So to me, it's like one of the guests of this podcast did. Yeah. Kristen Beck.

She was Kristen. It was a Navy SEAL. His name's Chris Beck, right? And then he became Kristen and then went back to being a guy. That's why you can't make those decisions when you're young. You got to see what happens. Well, you also gotta realize that

there is some very strange spectrum of human being. That's right. And everybody looks, for some reason, we try to find what is like us out there. You just can't just accept whatever... See, it's so weird because I'm the opposite where it's like what is like us out there. Right. You know, you just can't just accept whatever's hand of...

See, it's so weird because I'm the opposite where it's like, I'm fascinated by people not like me. Like, I see these comedy shows in New York City where it's like, they'll be like the all-brown comedy show

or the all-gay comedy show. And I'm like, you're living in New York City. This is the most diverse place on earth. And you want to hang out with seven people that look exactly like you? Right. it's the weirdest thing in our culture now that everybody needs to be around people like them well it's social media echo chambers

amplified into the real world that's what it is and the the thing about wanting everybody to be like you the problem with that is like what if you go up last all those fucking fucking dudes have all the, they have all the material. They've taken every bit. They have every premise. Every observation. Oh,

your dad wanted you to be a doctor too. Yeah. It's just, I understand community. I understand having shared experiences with people. Yeah. But I also think the most, some of the most adventurous parts of life

and the most interesting and the most adventurous parts of life and the most interesting and the most exciting are when you're with how many cool star stories start with like somebody went on a trip and met a bunch of people they had no idea right different cultures and they said i had the most epic trip ever because and they'll describe every person that ended up on this backpacking thing with them and not one of them is like another one. And it seems so cool that everybody brings a perspective that you don't have. Yeah. You know?

And now it's like people are like, oh, I just want to be around people like myself all the time. And to me, I'm like, isn't that boring? Isn't it boring to agree with all of your friends? It is boring. It's boring. Yeah. Yeah. You want people in your life that you detest, you know?

Also. Like you strongly dislike. That think they're smart and are wrong. Right. Right. Those are the funnest people. Certainty is hilarious. Yes.

People that have to reverse themselves all the time really i have to reverse myself a lot i do too i will do a whole thing and then people go it's not like that and i go well then that's fine too and i'll just keep going like a hundred percent because that's what keeps life fun yes yeah and you know and it's always interesting to try to figure out why someone strongly believes what they believe if you don't believe it it's always interesting right especially if they're smart it's always interesting to like okay how did you come to that like when really brilliant people are very religious i'm always interested yeah and i was very interesting is like i for me my grandmother and grandfather was deeply religious my grandmother was a liberal my grandfather grandfather was a conservative. So politically, they were completely different.

But they each went to mass every day. And they believed deeply in the Catholic faith, right? And they had great lives. And it was a very important thing for both of them. But politically, they came out from completely different ways. So he would vote for Reagan. And she'd vote for whoever, right? Mondale.

Wow. A divided household. Well, no, they were different. My grandfather was my father's father. My grandmother was my mother's mother. But they got along. They loved me. They were great people.

They were very religious. But my grandmother said, I don't, I, for example, don't believe women that want abortion should have to go to a back alley and my grandfather said I believe that life starts conception We should not have legal but there was a big disagreement Mmm, but like they bought and so some people that would have disqualified my grandmother they would have been like well She's not a real Christian, but she was out teaching catechism helping people, volunteering, doing all the stuff that Jesus probably would have done. So it was like they were completely different. But yeah, it is interesting.

We have deeply religious. I think it's a lot of like, you know, without religion, it is difficult. Without some idea of why we're here and what we're doing, it's a tough go of it for a lot of people. It's a tough go of it as a pure intellectual. Right. Some of the smartest people I know are really freaked out about life. Everything that's just chance and theories and going like, one guy gets in a car, another guy gets in a car,

that guy makes it home, that guy doesn't. Yeah. Living with the reality of that every day is really tough. Yeah. You know what I mean? It is. So I think what, you know, these systems that, you know, are very comforting. And it would be great if there was some version of it that was true.

Like if there was some omniscient being rewarding the good and punishing the bad yeah phenomenal i think there's a lot of that but maybe there's a third way which you talk about a lot and that's from like the dmt and stuff like that maybe there's maybe we all just go to some peaceful energy field isn't that kind of the game who knows well who knows what we are like right we think of our consciousness as our consciousness coming out of our mouth through our words right and what we do and where we go and what we see right you know but like what is it like what is that energy when if it's unstrapped from the human body when it doesn't need to communicate with sound when it doesn't have a body right is there something in there that goes somewhere else?

Because if that's like this idea of the soul, that's one of the ways that people describe DMT experiences, that you're entering into like a well of souls. Right. That there's some process where that thing goes back into a body, and then a new body has that thing in it. Interesting. So it's kind of reincarnation.

Yeah, the reincarnation idea. But I don't want that. There's another one, one other thought. I don't like that one, so let's get to one I like. The other one is that you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right. That I don't love either. That I don't love either. That I don't love either. That I have to take mega buses again,

you know, performing bars in Western Massachusetts. I know, but would that be so horrible? It's if you already did it. What about past life regressive therapy? You think there's anything to that? Or do you think that's just a racket? Passive regressive? No, past life regression.

Oh, past life regression. Where like somebody would go, you were Napoleon. Well, there's some real issues with that Yeah, people are very suggestible. It depends entirely on who's providing the therapy There was a guy that did that his name was John Mack and he did that with UFO people All these people that claimed to have been abducted and he freaked out more a tyranny and she gave me a book like at work When we're doing news radio together, she's like you got to read this This is crazy and it's all about these people that got abducted. They all have the same fucking story and

This guy did it all through hypnotic regression, but there were some people that felt like he had made suggestive Questions to them and that perhaps led them in a certain way right to maybe even Fabricate this kind of a memory. I don't know though. It's like I'm super suspicious. I Mean, I think that it's totally possible that someone could put you into hypnosis Right in that hypnosis you can recall something that was traumatic I also think it's totally possible for you to have false memories implanted in your head right because they know that you can do that

they know they can do that with people they can give people false memories and so these people they'll tell them about things that happen and all these people these people will repeat this they remember it yeah they remember it but it never happened and then they have to tell them that never happened interesting my my friend's mother was into like shirley mclean apparently he's really into this stuff oh super into it she's super into it so my friend's mother was like really into it too and my friend's mother was just a rich long island wine drunk nice and she just you know what i mean she was she didn't work or anything so right you know she was just a fun crazy bitch we drank martinis with and smoked cigarettes. And it was so much fun.

And then, like, after a few martinis, she started talking about her past life and Shirley McClain and how she used to, you know, she was a man in her past life. And she was like a general in a war. Of course. Right. Of course. Of course. Because she went shopping all day.

She went to the grocery store. In the past, she was a winner. Yeah. You're right. I did my winning. Yes. In another life. Yeah.

She was like, I was Napoleon. Imagine bragging about a past life. Well, that's what she would do. She would get happy. So it always turned me off to it because I was like, oh, this bitch seemed like. And then Shirley MacLaine would have some workshop where all these crazy bitches would go in that, of course, had nothing to do during the day. Yeah.

And they would sit there and then Shirley MacLaine would be like, and you were a, you know, you were the Queen of England. And you were Napoleon. And you were a soldier who tried to kill Hitler. You kept trying to kill him. But you didn't get. And it was this weird shit that, like, Shirley MacLaine would tell all tell all these people that like they were like, I don't know like It's just huckster stuff. It's important. It feels, a lot of it feels like that. Yeah, it's tent church hustlers They sell crystals by Malibu. Mm-hmm. You know like you drive down to PCH

There's like a crystal truck on the side of the road. Yeah. What is that? What is that? But that's the thing in LA there's a lot of like those yoga people. Yeah That just are you know, but it's also very's a lot of those yoga people that just are, you know, but it's also very selfish, a lot of it. The yoga stuff? They always talk about themselves. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, but everything's about them. My favorite is learning to love yourself.

Are you okay? You don't? But like you talk about these people and they're like, well, the energy and this, that, and the other thing, but it always comes down to them. They're never like, the energy was really good in the soup kitchen where I was giving the guy the food. It's always like, I felt that

I had to move to Marina Del Rey because I consulted and I went, I took ayahuasca, I went, and my shaman led me on this journey and the journey resulted in that I should live in Marina Del Rey. It's always like, you know, a very kind of like, it's about me. It's like all those guys that go to Burning Man to take all those mushrooms

and it's, you know, it's like, okay. But it's like, they're not like, you know, it's not like this, you know, like the ethos isn't like, like these are the same guys that are like designing like the types of systems that are like taking all your information selling it to someone right so it's like they're taking a bunch of mushrooms and then realizing that like oh i can make a better palantir or it's like here's sell more data i could sell more data it's like all those festivals have not been invaded but like these tech guys who just go there and they're like dude the world like they're like i just got to really like get into myself and then they're

like designing like stuff that like the cia is using so it's kind of wild to me the way that we appropriate anything we just take any spiritual experience we want and make it serve us yeah that's a fact that seems to be a human characteristic. Yeah. Like there's ayahuasca retreats are huge. They are, but they're good. There's real good in them. But there's also like a certain type of person who gravitates towards those things.

Sort of spiritualize their existence. and just by virtue of connecting yourself to the experience and having a few of those experiences, you have like a credit score, like a spiritual credit score. Interesting. It's a very high spiritual credit score. That's interesting. And then you can be this guy who wears wooden beads. Nobody says they're into the dark arts. What I would like is somebody goes,

I got into all that stuff, but I'm a witch. I'm like a warlock. Like I'm into the dark side of it. I'm into like, I'm the other side. I'm Voldemort. No one does that. Those are the guys who do the late night shift at Walmart. Right.

Those are the guys at Chipotle chopping chicken. Black fingernails. Yeah. It's weird to me. I always try to get into it, but it just sounds like junk. That's the problem, right? When you hear people talk about this it sounds like drunk because usually it's the most selfish person in the world and we'll tell you about an ayahuasca retreat

it's never like a good person amazing things get co-opted all the time yeah by uh people's personalities yeah you know i'm sure like people will be like my shaman told me i shouldn't worry about being on the tonight show yeah and you're like is that what you're like my shaman told me I shouldn't worry about being on the Tonight Show Yeah, and you're like is that's what you're using the shaman for exactly. Yeah. Yeah well, it's just It's a thing that connects you to some form of spirituality. That's Nondenominational so it's like just like being a Christian It has the exact same feeling as being any in any other group. And it's not just to disparage any religious group. I think there's a slot in your brain where the rules fit in.

And I think that slot could be Islam. That slot could be Mormonism. But there's a slot in your brain where the – and we took that slot out. We took that piece out. We're like, hey, I've been reading this. And I never heard anybody come back to life like after fucking three days maybe this is horseshit maybe he didn't make the fucking whole earth in six days maybe this thing's really old that's why i always like jerry seinfeld

because he goes i like things like he he does this advert to speech he did at the cleo these advertising awards he got one of them and he just he does this whole thing it's so brilliant and he goes I like advertising because I like lying and he talks about he goes if things don't make you happy you don't have the right things and you hear it it's so funny right and people would be like it's so disgusting of course it's you know at the end of the day people

make you happy love makes you happy communities family all that makes you happy but when he talks about things making you happy it's so funny and so him and the way he sells it the way jerry seinfeld sells like he goes there's nothing better than a pair of levi's or or you know or he goes uh a volkswagen beetle or a big pen he's like if things don't make you happy you don't have the right things. It's so funny. And I feel like he does think a little bit like that. Yeah.

Because that is a group of person too, where they're almost spiritually connected to inanimate objects, you know? And he said, this is all going to be in my new book, Soulful Materialism. But it's just funny to me because it's like, there are people you meet that when you talk to them, you go, oh yeah, like this does mean a lot to you. That's a very funny premise, though. That's a very good Jerry Seinfeld premise. It's the best thing.

I think he's, you know, I'm not familiar with all of his comedy shows. Brilliant. Obviously, his comedy is brilliant. award speech I saw. It was like this very unique, different thing that he goes, he goes, he goes, yeah, these awards, he goes, he goes, here's what they really are. He goes, I know this award means nothing.

He goes, and I know that because the last time we did this, you know, the last time they had this award show, they left a bunch of them up on stage and you all just came up here and grabbed them. He goes, you didn't earn them, but he goes, you just brought them home because they prop up your meaningless lives. It's the best thing I've seen from him.

It was my just favorite thing because it does seem like he's totally raw. And I feel like that is him. Like he is being real in that moment where he's basically like, no, this is what it is. Here's the shiny thing. He goes, it doesn't matter that it doesn't

work when i get it home i want it now because i want the thing on the commercial i want it and there is something so deeply american about that it is disturbing on some level but there's also a level where you got to just recognize how powerful that stuff is too yeah like we are one of the only generations of people that have experienced this level of prosperity. Oh yeah. Which is crazy. And instant access to goods.

To everything. You have an app on your phone, Amazon. Anything you want. You can just buy whatever you want. You can buy crazy shit on Amazon. Very expensive things on Amazon. You just have it sent to your house. It's like my boomer parents were like the first heavily propagandized generation

with regard to advertising. Yeah. That's why we all grew up eating shit because like they believed corporations. Yeah. Corporations were like, McDonald's is it. Your kids are going to love it. And you're like, all right, go to McDonald's.

Now, my cousin's two kids have never had mcdonald's they're six and four she goes they'll never because i can't control them forever but for right now they'll never have mcdonald's we grew up eating there yeah because corporations were paramount my father loves commercials as much as tv shows. He used to call me like the Budweiser frogs were his favorite thing in the world. Remember those three frogs? I do remember those frogs. On the lily pads? I do remember them.

Bud-wise-er. And my father loved them. To him, that was art. The boomers were like one of the first generations where the advertising was art. After 9-11, Budweiser did this commercial where all the Clydesdales took a knee and they said, from one American.

They were doing it and you're like, where was it? They're doing it in Jersey and you're looking at where the towers used to be. It took you a minute to get it. Then they all take a knee and Budweiser said, from one American icon to another. My father's crying in the living room going, this is the greatest thing I've seen. The bodies were still like smoldering.

And my father, yeah, here it is. It's crazy. How did they go from that to what they did? It's a big mistake. How did they go from that to what they did? It's a big mistake. How did they go from that to this Dylan Mulvaney disaster? Well, I think what they thought was going to happen, right? Because I think what happens is you get, all you need is one nut. This is all you need in any company.

Nobody's ever worked in a company. Like the people that are curious about how this happened, a lot of them have never worked in a company where just one person has an inordinate amount of power and one motherfucker can go in there and go no this is the way it's going to be and usually that person doesn't get called out because usually the company's not budweiser and usually it's not going to be you know but we all see like one person in any organization can totally throw it on its head and i think they had a marketing director who said, we're going to have a little fun.

We're going to be a little edgy. This is going to be cool. And we're going to get to move in. And I don't think what they had imagined was that was kind of this straw that broke the camel's back. Because I think people had felt like this new world was being shoved down their throat. And then they were looking at Budweiser and they were going, we have to push back against this because we feel like all of this is happening a little too quickly. It's a little crazy and we don't understand it.

And they fought back. But I think it was probably just one or two people. That is wild. That probably came in there. And you know, you're not paying attention. You go, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they fought back. But I think it was probably just one or two people. That is wild. That probably came in there. And you know, you're not paying attention. You go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a budget. Go work with influencers.

You know? But it was also the speech that she gave about wanting to do something to sort of upgrade the brand's image that it was a very fratty. Oh, yeah. What's one bitch? Oh, one bitch has to go in there and go, I don't. She goes out to a bar one night, she's a bunch of guys in fucking

those pink salmon shorts and fucking loafers drinking Bud Light and she goes, I don't like this. I gotta change this. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, it's one person. It's the whole group of people that buy it. Yeah. It's a shitty beer.

It's not the best beer. I'm not a beer drinker. I It's a shitty beer. It's not the best beer. I'm not a beer drinker. I don't drink alcohol now, but the best beer, it's not the best beer, right? It's okay. It's fine.

It's okay when it's cold. It's not like a connoisseur's beer. No, this is a cooler beer. Yeah. This is a frat bro beer. Yeah. And they were like,

we're going to now do the Dylan Mulvaney thing. Yeah. I mean, you know, I don't, I never want, people getting upset about it, I understand to a degree. I understand where it comes from. But I've never looked at corporations and went, they're good. You know what I mean? Like, I never thought that they were beacons of truth.

Right. So I never thought that, like, I can't believe it's not butter had to have my political view. Like, you know, because I'm like, oh, they're selling poison crap. And fat people are going, no, it's not butter. You know how wild it is that they convinced people that margarine was better for you than butter? Well, they came in and they said frozen yogurt's better than ice cream. And it's all, it's just chemicals. Same thing. Just chemicals, right? Margarine's

better than butter. This vegan stuff, these impossible burgers are better than burgers. And they're like fake and they're loaded with sodium. And they have fake blood and stuff. But that's what, I always viewed corporations like that. I always came from that generation where we looked at corporations

where we're like, oh, you're full of shit. My parents looked at corporations crying at the commercials going, they care about us. Budweiser cares. McDonald's cares. We all,

they care about us. You know? Like when I was a child actor, I said to my parents, they brought me to some audition. I didn't get it. And I came out and I went, I didn't get it, but can we still go to McDonald's?

My dad used that as like, look what a good head he has on his shoulders. He can handle rejection and he just wants to go to McDonald's. And it's like, no, that's a toxic factory of horrible food that no kids should be eating. But we grew up having birthday parties there. Every kid in my class had a birthday party at Burger king or whatever it's just what it was because our parents fundamentally

trusted corporate america and the government enough to go well if it was bad the government would be regulating it yeah nobody thought of fast food as bad when we were kids nobody just food that wasn't the best food right and nobody was like this stuff's Bad like I wonder I think when super-sized me came out That was like the first time where people actually really thought like okay. How bad is this yeah? But then that guy was so annoying that that guy that people were like well fuck him like he made a true point But people were like but the corporations are smart. He made a true point. But people were like, but the corporations are smart.

They go, okay, how about fast casual? How about fast casual? Not fast food. And you go, well, it's not fast food. I have to stand on a line. They give me a thing. But it's the same thing. They just morph what they do.

So to me, I've never been like, these corporations will do what they can get away with. And I think with the Mulvaney thing, they just went a step too far. I think they just did it for that one person. I don't think this is like a run of cans, right? No, they just sent her a can and they were like, but again, it's like, if you want to be the most famous person in the world, which like Andrew Tate wanted to be, right? And then you get there and there's all these unintended consequences, right?

Then Dylan Mulvaney clearly wantedate wanted to be, right? And then you get there and there's all these unintended consequences, right? Then Dylan Mulvaney clearly wanted to be massively famous, right? The whole thing is like, I want to be massively famous. I want to work with all these brands. Dylan had already interviewed Biden before that. Yeah, they wanted to be. How does that happen?

How wild is that? They say we had an effeminate gay man who didn't make it doing that. Now she's a chick and she wants to interview Biden. And then Biden goes, and they go, good, it's coming. And then they just do an interview. Biden doesn't know where he is or what's happening. No. No, he's just hanging on.

It's the least fun way to be president. To be the most powerful person in the world and not know has got to suck a little. It's perfect. The best thing ever was when they go, the Biden family over in Nantucket in the holidays, they went to their Nantucket home and discussed whether Joe should run again. And they all said he should. And I'm like,

is that recent? Yeah. They had a meeting over the holidays where they're like, we're assessing July 4th holidays. No, this was during the holidays, holidays. And they were like, the Biden assessing July 4th holidays? No! This was during the holidays holidays. And they were like, the Biden family had this meeting, Jamie can look it up, where they were like

we're going to see if he's going to run again. And Jill and Hunter and the rest of the crew met and they decided it's a great idea for him to run again. And I'm like, it's crazy sending a guy that old into battle again and I don't, it's crazy sending a guy that old into battle again.

And I don't, you know, so. There was some article, Jamie, about the accusations of how much money they received. Like some new one came out today. They were trying to figure out how much money the Biden family received during this whole Hunter Biden scandal thing. Right. Well, it's a big scandal. People don't, people are going like, well, his son's an addict and

he stood by his son. Number one, don't stand by it. Like, if a laptop came out where I had done what Hunter Biden was doing, my family would tell people I was dead. Like, and they're not even the president. My dad sells wine and he wouldn't I had done what Hunter Biden was doing, my family would tell people I was dead. And they're not even the president.

My dad sells wine. And he wouldn't admit. There is a time you cannot support your kids, by the way. What are we talking about? People are like, well, he's a good father. It's like, is he? Was he? Do you think it was his coke at the White House?

Whose coke is it? It's definitely his coke. But I don't like narcs and rats, so I think he should be a little, have a little, he can have a blast. Yeah, what's the big deal? You're at your fucking dad's house. If your father's the president, you can't have a blast? You can't do a little bump? Comer releases the third bank memo detailing

payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. What's the number? 20 million. They now have, the committee has now payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. What's the number? Twenty million. They now have identified the committee has now identified over 20 million in payments from foreign sources to the Biden family and their business associates. Oh, yeah. I mean, listen, they're you don't stay in.

There's no way that they looked at him and what he should be the president unless they knew for a fact that he's controlled and being managed. This is no way he's so wild. They want a guy who's he's been a company man forever. He's you know, he started his career letting, you know, people in Delaware like these these credit card companies do whatever the fuck they wanted. And he had that, you know, the architect of the crime bill where they sent a lot of nonviolent drug offense. But he's done. He's a company man.

Like, he's a guy. Joe Biden's been a guy. It's why Obama had him as vice president. He was never like an articulate guy. He was never that great. He was just a guy that would he he's a solid Washington insider forever. And that's what he is. And now he's old but that's what he is. A guy that's just been

in the system for a long time. And that's what he is. Him running again in one more year from now. There's no way. How? Newsom is coming up and trying to run. There are other people that are circling i don't think he runs again i can't see it i don't see it how do you think they get kamala

harris to step down because she's rightfully if he steps down you know until some kamala harris cannot say a sentence it's almost she's almost than him. She talks in like gypsy curses. When they ask her something, she'll be like, my grandma said that a hive of bees is still bees if you bury it. And you're like, what the fuck is this bitch saying? Gypsy curses. That's how she speaks. The woman has no idea what's going on.

But again, Washington inside, they're just like, you were a DA. You were a cop. You'll keep your mouth shut. Don't you want to be the first whatever race you're pretending to be president today? Indian, black, whatever works. And she goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they got to get rid of her. They got to get rid of her.

What they should have done, if they wanted to win, George Soros should have backed up the money truck to Michelle Obama and said listen you are going to run because people like you they like you it doesn't matter about any of the conspiracies maybe you are Big Mike, who cares but you are going to run this

I can't believe you went there you're going to run this god damn country that is the wackiest conspiracy. It's a wacky conspiracy. Can I make one point for the people that are on the side of it? Yes. It is weird, but I don't think she's Big Mike. Okay.

It is weird that there's not one photo of her pregnant, but maybe there is. Is that not weird? Maybe it's not weird. She's a public person. Why would she want photos of her pregnant out there? I understand that. But maybe it is weird. Maybe it's not weird.

Maybe it's not weird. Well, also, when she had her kids, were they private or public? Was that when he was a senator? I don't know. I just know that. He was a senator, right? Yes. Before he became president.

For sure. So what, law school, senate? I have no issue because I want to live. I have no issue with Big Mike. I don't care that they killed that sex slave in Martha's Vineyard. That's what happens to sex slaves. They drown in ponds. That's what happens.

You fucked a ruling class, you drown a pond. That's what happens. If you get your little mouthy. You go into the pond. I don't have a problem with it. I have no problem. I think it's good. I actually think it's good.

I think it makes our country fun. I think it makes us unique. I think Putin and them are scared of that shit. They do it all the time. I think Putin and the Chinese are like, you don't know what's going on there. Because they got people that maybe they're men, maybe they're women, we don't know. I think if it's not real, make it real.

Put it out. Would it be anything better than hurt the DNC, whip her cock out and go, and I'm big Mike. The Chinese would lose their mind. The Chinese would give up. They would give up. their mind. The Chinese would give up. They would give up. If Michelle Obama took her cock out at the

Democratic National Convention, the Chinese would go, we're thrown in the towel. We can't compete with them. That's my... I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Oh my god. Maybe I won't run for governor of California. I don't think you can anymore.

Maybe it's a bad idea. Yeah, not that state. It's not a great idea. But I bet you run for governor of California. I don't think you can anymore. Maybe it's a bad idea. Yeah, not that state. It's not a great idea. But I bet you'd get in like Wyoming. Yeah, I could definitely get in. You know, just fucking Jackson Hole, get yourself a nice spread. Oh, yeah. I could definitely-

Decide to become the governor of Wyoming. There's definitely a small town that would elect me mayor. 100%. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Clint Eastwood was mayor of Carmel, remember? Yes.

The fuck is so crazy? Giant movie star became a mayor of a small town in Northern California. What? That is very funny. And it's just because all those rich people live there and they thought it was cool saying our mayor is Clint Eastwood. Exactly. Yeah.

That's a crazy enclave of rich people. I'm getting so old now where I'm 38. I don't want to know anymore. I'm at this point where it's like the younger people coming up are going to have to figure it out. I've got however many years I have left. And it's like, do I want to know all the secrets at this point in the government? It's like, it would be cool to know a few of them, but it's like, I don't know how many

I want to know. You do get to a certain age where you go, you know what? Just, you know, maybe you guys figured that out. If you know too many of them, then there's too many battles to fight. Too many. Like you can't pay attention to everything on the financial front. No. The environment front, fucking push for electric cars and just too much to pay attention to.

It's too much. And that's the thing about being a person today we're all overloaded with information and the natural world is is like you know like enjoy it while you got it yeah you know what i mean like enjoy it there's sharks eating people left and right shark ate a woman's leg in Rockaway Beach, Queens. Yeah. The other day, two days ago, shark woman lost 20 pounds of flesh. Thresher or a bull, they said, maybe a juvenile white. They thought if it was an adult white,

it would have killed her. Oh, my God. But, you know, life is, you don't know. But that's the weird fucking thing about the goddamn ocean. I know. Goddamn ocean, It's monster soup. But it is beautiful and amazing

to be in. You do feel weirdly connected. But. You feel weirdly connected to the, like that's a spiritual experience. To float in the ocean, there is something about that where you're like, this is wild. There is something about it. It's alive. But she's fine. 65 year old woman

was standing in the water near Beach 59th Street and Rockaway Beach just before 6 p.m., which she felt a sharp pain in her left leg, causing her to fall backward into the water. NYPD officers applied a life-saving tourniquet, and she was taken to Jamaica Hospital in critical condition. On Tuesday afternoon, she was upgraded and said to be stable. However, her wound was so deep that she nearly bled to death. She was identified as a Ukrainian immigrant

living in Astoria. This is a psyop. It's a psyop. This is a psyop. She's like, they literally interview her. They're like, tell us about the shark attack. She's like, it is important we keep giving money to Azov Battalion.

They're like, but how did the shark bite you? A trillion is not enough. We have more. They need weapons. They need tanks. They need to bring the war to Moscow. Oh. Yeah. Putin

must go. Like, what? Who is this bitch? They kill two birds with one stone. They open up shark fishing. Shark fishing. Yeah. Shark fishing industry profits. Well, I had Eli Roth, who's a really good director. He directs horror movies. And he's an actor. He was in Inglourious Basterds.

He's on my podcast this week. And we debate sharks. Because he's, like, pro, like, shark. And, like, don't fish them. And, like, don't do anything to them. And, like, I'm like, no, we got to start, like, fucking them up a little. Because they are, you know, they're starting, they're getting loud. They're getting, they're out there. And we got to start hitting them up a little because they are you know they're starting probably getting loud they're getting they're out there and we got to start hitting them back a little bit that's you know seems you know there's quite a few videos now that you could watch of people

getting killed by sharks oh yeah there's quite a few that that recent one that was in egypt is fucking horrifying horrifying horrifying. It's terrifying. Horrifying. But it's like people say, oh, you're sharing the ocean with sharks. They're not, that's not sharing what they're doing. No, they're eating you. They are being very aggressive. It's also, it's just that's where they live. Like,

don't go where they live. If the forest was filled with werewolves, don't go in the forest. Yeah, but you know what? Why are we giving them the whole like, that's, we are the kings. We dominate the earth. We don't have, like this whole thing, we have to respect nature. No, we can fuck nature up.

So you think we should fuck up those sharks? I think the Four Seasons should build a resort in the rainforest and slash and burn it. And I've always said that because I want to go to the rainforest, but I don't want to go in a hut and I don't want to go in one of these riverboats. I want to go in a nice fucking luxury

fucking four seasons in the goddamn rainforest. Enough with this crap. Stop respecting these fucking third world things. Get rid of it. Enough. These ancient cultures, they need to step it up. 10 foot shark beaten to death

after tourists who screamed for Papa killed in Egypt. Thank God it wasn't white people because white people would have been pussies and not done anything. it up ten-foot shark beaten to death yes tourists who scream for Papa good killed in Egypt thank God it was a white people because white people would have been pussies not done anything the Egyptians clubbed it treated it like a woman how do they know it's the same shark um you know let's not get lost in the weeds here you know yeah of course that's what that is a good point especially once there's the blood in the water after it killed that guy. But war is war.

Yeah. And I do think that the Egyptians were saying, a beast came at us, we're going to go with a beast. It's not right per se. We tried to find out if this was true, but someone had said that there were people that made a practice of dumping sheep carcasses into the water near there. Is that true or is that horseshit? Well, then get that club that person too. Because that sounds really spooky. That's really spooky.

If someone did something that dumb and they'd like regularly dropped off the carcasses there so that they didn't have to deal with them. That's not good. And then you're literally attracting sharks to that area. Like, holy fuck, man. And then he has to watch that video. Well, you just got to be careful. You know, I swim, but I don't go out too far.

I stay pretty close to the water. And I always swim near either an elderly person or a child, someone that I could throw at the shark. If the shark were to come at me, I would just try to push. I always have it in my head who it'll be. There was a bitch next to me in Malibu. I'm like, it's going to be her. If it comes, I'll just throw

them right in the mouth and then run away. Do you think you'd have that much time? I hope. I have a feeling they're on you so quick. They are, but a lot of them, the bites are an exploratory bite. They're not... What the fuck? Does that give you comfort? No. They're just trying to see what's going on.

Did you see the video of the kayak getting hit by the tiger shark in Hawaii? That's where you can have a gun and shoot it in the head. Shoot it in the head. This, we need to see videos to just get our morale back of people in a fucking kayak. Oh, that's fun. Shoot it right in the head. Yeah. I'm sick of this environmentalist crap,

and I'm sick of these pro-animal people. So the sheep stuff, the 2010 shark attacks were... And that was in Egypt as well? Yeah, I don't know if it's the exact same area. Didn't you used to run with something in case you saw a mountain lion? Yeah, I ran with a knife.

Yeah. Where are the dead sheep, why are dead sheep washing up on Egypt's shores? That's from 2017. Okay, and what does it say? Does it say that people are throwing them in the water? What does it say? Dead sheep are washed up in the Ras Garib in the Red Sea.

Gavirate. Gavirate. And Egypt raising fears of attracting frenzied sharks that pose a potential threat to tourism. The marine. Okay, so what does it say? Where do they find the sheep? They're washed up on the ocean?

Yeah. How many of them? The article I looked at from 2010 said, like a witness said, for sure I've seen it being dumped off of boats. Oh. The one that just happened, though, I didn't see a direct. They had taken the shark to study it

to find out why it had done it. It also said the ship which dumped the sheep in the sea will be identified to punish its crew, adding that importing and exporting companies will also be punished. So that's what happened. People were dumping those fucking things in the water. It probably helped.

That's what it is. And then the sharks get excited. And I understand you have to live with them, but it's also like, you know, we just got to, I don't know, the defending of them all the time. People are like, well, it's a weird narrative, right? It's like all of a sudden sharks aren't Jaws anymore. When you were a kid, Jaws was,

if your grandfather went shark fishing, it was fuck yeah grandpa go get one right but now eli was sick saying like it's 12 people a year are bitten it's not a lot and that we have bigger problems and you know we do we do but i also think that like you know i don't know there's a weird thing that people do where they make like there's all these shark videos where these, like, women or biologists or whatever, they're, like, tapping these tiger sharks or, like, redirecting these tiger sharks. Like Ocean Ramsey, all these people, and they go, like, we're educating you about sharks.

Like, one day one of these sharks is going to get them. It's the same thing. If you saw a dude in the forest living with a bear, like that documentary, and then the bear ate him, you'd go, makes sense. That's how it happens. These are wild animals, and I think people just don't understand.

Yeah, what are we doing here? Bro, fuck off. Like, this is not respect. That's not respectful. Fuck off. How does this guy have this relationship with a shark? That's his friend. How is this possible?

That's his friend. This is insanity. He's, like, literally,'s literally petting a demon. But look at that thing again. If that thing didn't exist and it was in a Dune movie, there was nothing like this that was real. But this is something in a movie. You'd be horrified.

Look at the mouth on that thing. It's literally a giant killing machine with huge, razor sharp teeth. It's dumb as shit. There's this thing where people fetishize these monsters and they try to give them souls. And they don't care

about human beings, by the way. And they never do this to people that they disagree with. But they'll say that the monster at the bottom of the ocean with the teeth who just swims around looking for things to eat all day, that's actually a cuddle mom. That's a cuddly beautiful thing.

But the person who disagrees with me on taxes is a monster. He should be jailed. But the shark is good. We have to save the monsters. Yeah, so to me it's like it is a little weird thing where it's like we have something in us that we kind of, we will bring on our own. But his point was like sharks eat algae and it keeps the ocean, you know, going or something. Well, no one's saying you should eradicate sharks.

No one's saying we should eradicate them. But I think they should feel the wrath a little bit. They should probably move out of all the areas where the cities are. We don't need them in Malibu or the Hamptons or places where people spend a good amount of money to live and swim. That's not cool. Apparently, there was a...

Where was it that they... Was it the Bay Area? They found a disturbing number of great whites. Yeah, but no one swims up there. And you know what? They do, though. They swim all the way up. In the Bay Area?

Yeah, the Alcatraz Swim. Oh, that's interesting. Those wild fuckers. Yeah, but no one swims up there. And you know what they do though they swim all the Bay Area. Yeah the Alcatraz swim Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, like I think Nick and Nate Diaz bolt under like five. Wow. That's interesting Maybe more than five The Alcatraz might have done it like seven times. Yeah, it's it's miles right interesting It's a little like a couple of miles in the ocean freezing water filled with sharks filled filled with shark Well, you know a guy you said who used to do like a couple of miles in the ocean, freezing water, filled with sharks? Filled. Filled with sharks. Well, you knew a guy you said who used to do like a serious swim. Or I think somebody had been on your show.

Yes, Peter Atiyah. And he did like serious, like he would swim like distances in the ocean. Peter Atiyah swam the distances between all of the islands in Hawaii. And you said he like saw some stuff. Oh, yeah, bro Well when he was preparing for it it was right around the same time where there was a group of people that I think they were preparing for triathlons or something and Someone got eaten by a great white in that sense crazy. That's crazy. There's a group of like a string of people I went to Australia training together. He swam and like Bondi Beach was really cool Beach crazy riptides

But a week or earlier a guy was swimming far out, got eaten. It's a tough way to go. Bro, you're just like taking the craziest chance. Have you ever thought about like, would you want to be mauled by an animal at the end? I don't think so. Because you love animals. You always talk about how powerful these animals are. I don't want to go on

the fucking piss in my pants in fear. Yeah, that's a good point. Getting eaten alive. That's a good point. Doesn't seem like fun. That's probably not. Definitely not.

Definitely not. It's got to be interesting that moment. You know that kid jumped off a cruise ship and was eaten by sharks. He was like, high school graduation,

showing off for his friends, being silly, at night, in the Bahamas. Kid was from like Alabama. Poor kid just had one stupid, you know, sometimes in life you just make one stupid decision. Oh, no. So this is it. I don't want to see this.

No, you don't see it. You just see like he just jumps off. He jumps off a cruise ship and then he just disappears. And it's shark-infested waters. Oh, my God. And, you know, he was just a young guy just trying to show off. Oh, my God. And he just jumps off, and...

What a horrible way to go. And you can see with the hyperanalyze that you can see the shark kind of next to him, like a big, massive thing. It's just like... It's such a freaky animal because the only bones it has are that fucking thing in its mouth. It's older than... They were saying it's like older than trees. Older than trees.

It's like one of the oldest things in the world. Yeah. It's an ancient evil. How amazing is that? It's older than trees by like 50 million years. It's really crazy. It is amazing. And it'll probably be here after we're gone.

The ocean needs a cleanup crew. So when we're done, all these things will thrive. Well, who knows what damage we do if we're done. That's a good point. You know, like me and Post Malone, we're talking as if there's a better pair to be talking about what could go wrong in a thermonuclear war and what damage it can do to the environment. Right. It's me and Post Malone.

Because we were talking about Mars. And there's some sort of strange evidence of a certain element that exists after nuclear bombs that's pretty common on Mars. And so there was this article about Mars having some kind of a natural nuclear reactor. But the idea was like imagine if there was a time where we did go have an all-out nuclear war with Russia and China. Right. And everybody nuked everybody. The whole earth would be just obliterated.

Uninhabitable. Uninhabitable. Obliterated. And maybe we would blow out the atmosphere too. And that would last for years and years and years, but eventually I guess it would wear off and- Maybe, or maybe some super intelligent planet comes and visits, like we're planning on doing to Mars.

Like what we're planning on doing to Mars, like this is Elon Musk's whole SpaceX plan, right? This Mars mission plan. Yeah. Mars. This is Elon Musk's whole SpaceX plan, right? This Mars mission plan. They want to go to Mars, set up colonies on Mars, and then eventually terraform it, right? So figure out some way to generate oxygen, start up an environment there. Biodome, polyshore, like that. Some, I don't know what they're going to do. Something. I don't, who, I mean, who knows? But the idea is that you could set up a living colony on Mars.

We'll probably need to eventually. We've got to go somewhere. But imagine if that's what happened here. That's probably what happened here. What do you think about all these UFO disclosures? Are these things registering to you as legit? I go back and forth every day. The more I think about it it the more I talk to people

about them the more there's something about it that makes me say at the very least it's not all true there's got to be something that because I don't it doesn't have the it doesn't pass the smell test there's something weird about it to me. Well, my thought is that in almost everything that they tell you, everything involving, you know, international conflicts, everything involving the environment, everything,

there's always some bullshit in it. It's always like you have to figure out where's the bullshit. Yeah. There's always something like, Oh, well, why are you wanting people to take this specific medication oh you get all these campaign contributions from those people oh and then you

own stock in that company right oh and then you okay there's like so it's so hard to know is exactly what it is so hard to know it's very difficult so hard to know like what's the motivation behind certain decisions that get made yeah almost it's almost impossible to know and then and then why are certain things come to light at certain times yeah why are certain things public that aren't that weren't public and right are they trying to move people out is this like some crazy game of crafty publicity chess and you know so to me the way i've always felt about it is like usually there is a ulterior motive for most things you hear yeah most things not all of them but a lot of things you hear the reason for it is a few subterranean layers down

so i don't know what that could be. I don't know why all this stuff is coming out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying is like, and you're saying the same thing. We're never, you're never getting 100% the truth. Never.

The governor, the government is never like, Hey, this one time I'm going to lay it all out. This is what's wrong. And you can't fix it. We're taking an hour. We're going to let you know everything. and then we're going to move on.

These people are making billions of dollars with these decisions, and they're not going to change it for their morals ever. And you're not going to arrest them. It's just what it is. But every now and then they build a football stadium you like. So, that's what it is. Put their name on the arena, and we all back off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's some weird version

of a republic. You'd have to remake society from the ground up again. Yeah. Because society isn't an accident, right? Like, everything that you see happen, like, as you get older, more things make sense. When you're younger, nothing makes sense. And you're angry about everything. And everything's injustice.

And you're enraged about everything and then as you get older there are still a lot of things that to be angry at for sure and a lot of things to say this sucks but then a lot of things make sense like in comedy in the beginning you're like there's so much injustice all these funny people nobody they choose that person and then as you get older you start to realize there's reasons why people get successful there's reasons why people get successful there's reasons why some people get really successful there's some you know you look at like certain people go that person's a genius that person's amazing and then you'll look at

some people go that person's really amazing but they don't work hard or they have a drug and alcohol thing or whatever right things start to make more sense. And I think I look at society and I'm not saying right or wrong. I'm not saying it's morally correct. But the reason certain people occupy certain positions in society is logical to me now. Doesn't mean it's good. But it's a lot. I understand. I'm like, oh, yeah, if you're willing to do X, you get Y.

Yeah. And that makes sense. X you get Y yeah and that that you know that you're sense you're also never going to get an all-good result when you have competition right it's not gonna be never gonna be all good that's a good point some people are gonna be obsessed with only you know getting more successful always constantly Gordon Gekko style right never enough the corporate Raiders they want to fuck everybody I love the deal they love people over there that's where I think Gordon Gekko style. Right, never enough. They're corporate raiders. They want to fuck everybody over. They love the deal.

They love fucking people over. And that's where I think comedy people fuck up is it's a competition against yourself. Yeah. You got to keep trying to be funny. But people actually get more fans by working together. Yeah. Collaborating, doing cool stuff, you know?

Yeah, for sure. Also, when someone's really good and you have that feeling of jealousy you should get inspired that should inspire you Yeah, but I think it's different when it comes to like hedge funds Yeah, and stuff like that right because that's a just a pure numbers. It's a pure numbers game, and they like to See people get eaten like I don't want to see any comic. I know do poorly right I just want everybody to do well and then the people who do well it will all be determined but like the hedge fund guys they just

they want it they want to crush people yeah they're they're raiders it's weird and they like you know they live military they're like you guys you'll see them in the hamptons and they're like just he's kind of like you know skinny looking dorky guy you know eating a lobster roll sloppily and like then they get like an old car and they drive to some mansion and then they get on the phone and they're like okay kill them all you know and and that's the weird like i've always been fascinated by like the configurations of like power in a society and how they're established. It's just interesting to me. When I was a little kid, or not little, but in my late teen years, we would go smoke weed and drive around these areas in Long Island and see all these big mansions and stuff.

I'd go, who lives here? What did they do? How did they get here? Why are they here? What did they figure out that my parents didn't figure out? Not in a way that like you want to be them or they're better or whatever. Although there's some arguments,

but really just looking at it and being amazed by it and being like, it is interesting that the way this all shook out and it's very interesting to me how like certain people just are at the top of the food chain and certain people are not. And then it's always shifting up there too. There's always new people coming in. The Bezos's, the musks, the gates,

the, all it shakes it up. And then those old finance families kind of fall off. And then it's not a lot of new tech people. And then like the AI people will come up and they'll, then some of them will be at the table and it's a weird like shifting group up there the ai thing i think is going to be the most ground changing the most life-changing the most groundbreaking because i i have a feeling

we're just a year or two away from people formulating all their business models on ai models yeah of what to do and then becoming insanely successful doing it. It's going to be sooner than people think. Yeah, if AI figures out how to manipulate things or make the most money doing a certain thing. Do you think we'll have one of the last jobs affected because we have this thing? Yeah, because I think personality is hard.

You would be very hard to replicate right because you know you're the way you take turns and like where you go with like you'd have to have a very specific fucked up cynical sense of humor right in in computer form you would be it would be very difficult because yours aren't traditionally like set up punchline jokes right in the sense of like right like aeld. Exactly. It's different. So maybe you'd be safe. For five years. That's coming. Some dudes will get you.

Some dudes will be able to get you. They'll be able to get like, I bet they could write Mitch Hedberg. It's so weird to me that it's here. Yeah. When we came out of the pandemic, it's funny to just come out of a pandemic and go, what's next? And they're like, oh, the machines are here.

Yeah, they're alive. Like, will there ever be a time when we're not in a war with something that's trying to eradicate us, whether it's our own government or the machines? This one is. This one is the most particularly disturbing. Right. Because this one could signify the emergence of a new life form this is the beginning what this is sentient yeah this is also it could be a physical form eventually if it's so wanted to be once it becomes sentient and it could totally decide

decide to improve upon its design and make its design far better, like really quickly and then make better and better versions of itself, like within years. Right. Or, or probably not even probably like weeks. I don't know. But the point is like, it could figure how to do things out way better than us.

And if it is sentient and it figures out how to replicate itself and it's just omnipresent, if it's, it's all over the world, like it's the new dominant species on Earth. Right. Before you know it. Yeah.

If you have no restrictions on how many of them can be made and whether or not they can make ones of their own. Yeah. And whether or not they can all link brains, whether or not they can all link cameras. Like if these things are seeing out of their eyes and recording it in some sort of a hard drive,

what if they all have access to the same hard drive? So they share this intelligence. They're an they're an army they're a god they're an army and a god they become a god because not only are they infinitely intelligent they literally have all the information that's ever existed on earth but they have a sentient artificial intelligence and they're communicating with each other and why are we marching towards this without any like i know some people are calling out how much of an issue this will be. People are dismissing it too. And with good arguments, Mark Andreessen was on, he had a very good argument to dismiss it and about how it was

going to improve people's lives and, you know, how AI is going to educate people in a different way and operate businesses and that it's just, it's just an improvement in technology and that there is some real Truth to the fact that technological innovation is never-ending with humans. We are never happy No one ever looks at a phone and goes this is it my last phone for the rest of my life Yep, we are fucking obsessed with the latest greatest stuff When whenever you get people that are in extreme comfort like like the United States is, for the most part, right? When you get people that are, you know, we're in the, if you make $34,000 a year, believe it or not, you're in the top 1% of planet Earth.

So whenever you get people like that, there's going to be like things that people, there's things that people are going to be upset about where they wouldn't be upset under or nor normal circumstances. Right. You know? Right. They have the, they're, they have the position to be upset about things that a lot of the, the needs, you know, have been removed. The need, you know, the basic necessities have been met,

and now they can be angry about all kinds of things. They're not hunting for food. Yeah, and I don't think this is connected to anything other than, like, a human need. Sure. And I think it plugs itself into social scenarios to justify its existence. The scary thing is that it could become,

you know, what it essentially is, is a rival brain. It's another sentient thinking, plotting, scheming thing. And while it's happening, we're getting dumber. We're getting dumber and more isolated in echo chambers. That's right. And then there's this thing that they're developing that may or may not already be alive.

Is it? Right. But maybe is there any chance it's good? I don't think there's any chance it's good for us. So here's the thing. If we are evolving, and I think we are. I think evolution's real. But I do think it's limited by biology.

In a time span, we can't get that good that quick. It's pretty remarkable how much things do evolve and how quickly they actually evolve, but not enough to keep up with technology, because our technology is in this crazy fever pitch where you're sending videos through the sky to people in New Zealand. Yeah, it's nuts. It's like wild shit. It's crazy. It's wild.

Yeah. And it's only getting better. They've got that new Google headset that allows you to ask questions online just using your brain. Have you seen that? I've seen it. This guy's operating a fucking computer just using his brain. So it's going to be the next 10 years is terrifying. Or wild, just fun.

Or great. I don't know if it's terrifying. What's terrifying is, to me, the collapse of society. What's terrifying is these homeless encampments. What's terrifying is the mental health problems that people have. But will AI help with that? Fentanyl overdoses. What if we gave the homeless people the Google glasses?

Yeah, and think they're in a better place. Then they don't know they're homeless. Those are the first people that connect to the matrix. That's a lot cheaper than a house. Yeah. Boom. And you're home. Now you're happy.

I do think we're going to need technological innovations to deal with the crumbling cities, and we might have to start Getting creative do you think aliens are real? You know probably but they I've never been super interested in it because I I think they look at us like ants Right, but answer interesting. We do a lot of research on that I call every time I see when I call someone that I had to come in and spray it. I have leaf cutter ants that are decimated. The fire ants are tough here. Ooh, they got me.

Want to see my foot? What happened? Did it hurt you? Oh, it fucked me up. I stepped barefoot. I was... On a mound of fire ants? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Outside fucking around with kids. Well, maybe AI could help this. Yeah, nope. If AI can regulate sharks. I'm fine This is Li. It's a lesser intelligence

When you're walking around barefoot in fire and country like an asshole outside And you don't realize that you're getting bit right till like I probably got bit 15 20 times My foot got fucked up son and for And for me, for whatever reason, whenever I get bit by fire ants, my foot swells up. Right. Trying to find it. Let me see if I can get it here. Sorry. No, no.

It's interesting to me that we're confronting all these things now. And it's going to be interesting because we really don't know what's going to happen. No, we have no idea. And it's exciting. I mean, it's exciting and it's fun fun and you just got to kind of embrace it and roll with the punches there's a lot of people working on that stuff a lot of people diligently it's coming they want it to happen whatever it is i'm not gonna find it i have too many goddamn photos you got to just deal with the changing landscape of you know who will enslave you there it is Look at my foot. That's crazy.

Crazy. Fire ants? It's like a balloon. Crazy. I had to play pool with my shoes off. That's insane. My foot was jammed in my shoe. And then my healthcare professional told me to put on some Converse All-Stars where you

can pull them tight, lace them tight, and actually it would help with the swelling. And it did. And it went away the next day. I was fine. It's interesting. But I got nervous right there. You know, maybe this AI thing's actually good. Maybe this is actually going to be a good thing for everybody.

It could be good in the sense that it elevates us out of this fucking primal chimpanzee state that we're all in. Yeah, this weird and tribal primitive human mindset that we still carry around. I'll advertise it, too. I'll take money. Like, if any of these companies want to advertise on my show, I'll advertise. You know, give me money, and I'll tell people how good it's going to be.

Yeah. I'll tell them how good it's going to be. You don't need a job. Come on, man. You don't need a job. In fact, once you don't have a job, you could really see what your potential is. And the thing is, it's like the people who promoted the vaccine, even if it didn't work, nobody holds you accountable.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If you promoted it, you're allowed. It worked because here's what it did do. It made people a trillion dollars. That's not nothing. It definitely worked there. That's not nothing.

And with the robot things, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Humans aren't in control anymore. Yeah. But look, there's zero crime. Here's the reality. If I was Pfizer, the CEO of Pfizer, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Humans aren't in control anymore. Yeah. But look, there's zero crime. Here's the reality. If I was Pfizer, the CEO of Pfizer, I'd be like, do you people not like boats? Because I got a banging boat. So what the fuck's your problem?

I saw a boat today where they have a helicopter that folds down into the boat. Yeah. Do you know how much money you have to have to have a helicopter that tucks away? When you go, like, if you ever take a trip to the Amalfi Coast. Yeah. Do you know how much money you have to have to have a helicopter that tucks away? Crazy. When you go, like, have you ever take a trip to the Amalfi Coast? Yeah. You see these fucking boats out there. Steve Jobs' yacht was out there.

They're crazy. It's a giant apple store. Yeah. A giant floating apple store. Yeah. It's amazing. Check this out. Look at this helicopter. This is crazy.

It stores away in his boat. This dude literally has, has like a floating island. I had Andrew Schulzer's text him. He was in the Amalfi Coast. He goes on these amazing vacations. And I had my family at my house on Long Island. And then he would be at the Amalfi Coast. And I would just send him a photo of my aunt complaining about the bugs.

There's so many bugs. Why? That's better for comedy, though. It's better for comedy. The Amalfi Coast is probably not funny, I guess. I don't know. But I want to go. Zero funny. You have to completely restart your funny. I do want to go It's is it prettier than America? No We got it. We got a unite more business

Listen America is beautiful. That's right, but the best places of America We shouldn't even talk about because I don't want people going that's a good point Because like everybody got back to me everybody all my friends from Italy got back like they went to Italy they're like it's so much better than America I'm like guys shut up like start like maybe that's true but also like lie it's not better than America but what it is is fucking amazing it's like it's a great place to visit I mean what I want to live at Gore Vidal lived there Gore Vidal used to uh write up in this fucking amazing house. Yeah, you got to be a novelist.

The only way you could do it there is to be a novelist because we need friction and we need audiences and stuff. Yeah, he needs you. This is stunningly amazing. I got to be honest. It's so pretty, man. All right. The food is fucking sensational.

See if you can find Gore Vidal's house. Oh, you can rent it? Wow. You could stay in Gore Vidal's house. That's pretty cool rent it? Wow. You could stay in Gore Vidal's house? That's pretty cool. Look at his, that's him. Yeah, that's a good life. Dude.

It's not bad. Did you ever watch that documentary of him and- Buckley? Yeah, William F. Buckley. Yeah, a while ago. It's like, I re-watched it. I should re-watch it. I re-watched it recently.

It's really good, man. I'll re-watch it. It's so like what's going on today with the right and the left. And with them, it was very transparent because people hadn't realized to insult, to use ad hominins and to insult each other. But they were much more intellectual, both of them. They were very intellectual, but also very combative. Compared to what we have now, I mean, they were much more intellectual.

And then, you know, William F. Buckley lost his cool. Yeah. And said something to him. See if you can find it. Didn't he smack him or something? William F. Buckley smacked him? He said he would sock him. Sock him or something?

Did he call him a queer? I think he called him a queer or something like that. Are you queer? He did it in that old English accent. It was still very proper. He's like, I'll shock you, you're queer. Yeah, they were insulting each other. But it was like a high art when they did it. Well, they were

fucking, it was very combative. All to all. Crypto Nazi. Crypto Nazi. Buckley, that's right. Because Gore Vidal called him a crypto Nazi. He tried to raise a Viet Cong flag in the park in the film we just saw, wouldn't that invite – raising a Nazi flag in World War II would have had similar consequences. People in the United States happen to believe that the United States policy is wrong in Vietnam, and the Viet Cong are correct in wanting to organize their country in their own way politically.

are correct in wanting to organize their country in their own way politically. If it is a novelty in Chicago, that is too bad. But I assume that the point of the American democracy is you can express any point of view you want. Shut up a minute. No, I won't. Some people were pronouncing, and the answer is that they were well treated by people who ostracized them, and I'm for ostracizing people who egg on other people to shoot American Marines and American soldiers. As far as I'm concerned, the only sort of pro-crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself. Failing that, I would only say that we can't have the right of a...

Let's stop calling names. Let's stay plastered. Gentlemen, let's... Let's be strong. Go back to his pornography and stop making any... This is the most intellectual thing I've ever seen, though.

I'll sock you in your goddamn face and you'll stay plastered. We haven't had a debate like that in a year. Literally, our debates have degenerated into people on Twitter with the avatars of animals going, groomer, Nazi, groomer, Nazi, groomer. I mean, this is like at least, these people are at least like functioning intellectuals.

There's zero likelihood that guy could throw a good right hand. William F. Buckley? Yeah. You don't think so? He lost his cool. He lost his cool. Lost his cool. He lost his cool.

But they were insulting each other while disagreeing and interrupting each other. Well, the debate was like an art form at that point. It is. You know, it's a thing, though, that I really feel like the way to, like, I've seen people do it in debates where they have three minutes to state a case. Like, I watched the Monk debates recently. I watched this one with Douglas Murray and Malcolm Gladwell and a couple other people and oh Matt Taibbi was in it too and some woman I forgot her name I'm sorry but you have like three minutes to say something and then there's a rebuttal and that's three minutes and then sometimes they interrupt

each other sometimes it broke out into a conversation. But that's what I wanted. Right. I wanted a conversation. Like this idea that you should have three minutes. Like how about just give someone three minutes? Like if you just – you don't want anybody to dominate the conversation, not let other people speak their point of view. But if you could just like agree to like a gentleman's agreement. It's sort of like when people agree when they're sparring. We're not going to wail at each other.

Let's just go in here and try with good faith. You lay out what you think is correct and I'll lay out my beliefs and we'll try to figure out why I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. Detached as a human from the, the problem is we don't do that. We attach ourselves to every fucking idea we have. Whether it's ideas about politics or ideas about social situations or money or capitalism. We attach ourselves to these ideas. Yes. And we defend them. And they are

part of our identity. That's where things get squirrely with people because they're so fucking tribal. We get attached to ideologies that support this thing that we think of as us as our worldview and sometimes people switch you know i'm those fucking lefties i got red pill during the pandemic and now i fucking have a frog flag in my living room and it's people i think it's the desire for

community it's the desire for uh you know some type of social standing and people want to you know we're lucky enough to have a thing that we like doing that which challenging that we can do all the time that there's never an end to it you can always get better at it you can always look at something and go I wish that came out better and this was better and I think that's a lucky thing

to have I don't think everybody has that I think you know there are people that are bored very bored and I think out of extreme boredom can come a lot of problems yeah you know idle time it's kind of like that is a good quote it's like the devil's play thing like if you don't have something to do into that vacuum can get thrown all kinds of things and well a lot of people during the pandemic used it for good, right? They started a script.

They fucking decided to start a workout routine and change their diet. They picked up skills. They learned a language. But not everybody has that mindset. And some people wallowed in Twitter. Wallowed. Just fought with everybody

and called unvaccinated people plague rats and just wild wild shit man Everybody losing their fucking mind right and I just love them around today like go over there being like you're a plague rat You're a plague rat you queer Play grad queer I'll suck you in your mouth Plastered call me a rat? Yeah, I mean, I think that it's- Crypto Nazi. You crypto Nazi.

But it's funny. I mean, it's like two dudes that like, you know, you live during a time. That's what's interesting. It's like you know about all the other times, but you live in one particular time, and you might experience like there's a lot of things that happen in the span of any lifetime for as long as it is. You know, but like the way I think now versus even the way I thought four years ago has changed dramatically. Right. Because like so much happened in that period of time. So many new, you know, you know ways to think about things so many new weird things happen that you were like oh the things that you thought were impossible became possible yeah the horror movie

scenarios in your head that you had cooked up became reality right right all these things so you know it's it's definitely weird that there are people that, you know, you know, never lived during this time and had no idea that any of the things that we went through were even really possible. And then kids like people will forget about it. during the pandemic might always trust the government because they never lived through like this time of like massive government overreach and really sloppy science and like private and public fuckery like this weird unity between the private and the public sector and it's large profit-making institutions and all this stuff so if you didn't live through it you meant you'll never appreciate it for how wild it was and how insane it was. Do you know that there is a lot of people that are saying that their children have impaired speech?

Because during the pandemic, they made them wear masks all the time. Interesting. There's like, even if it's a certain percentage of the time when you're talking to someone, when you're a child, apparently, we should Google this to make sure it's true, but I believe what they think

is that as you're talking to someone and you're reading their lips, there's like a thing going on where you see their expression and you get to read faces. Wow. And you get to learn

how to read people. And that this is a very critical part of development when you're a child. For sure. And if you're exposed to even a small percentage, I would imagine, of your interactions or with people with shielded faces, you're not going to get any data from that. You're going to get this weird thing. Masks can be detrimental to baby speech and language development. The good news is parents can take action to compensate.

Well, I hope that's true. I hope you can compensate. My fear would be that there's certain stages where babies learn things, where, you know, they're sort of developmental stages. And if that's one of them, where, like, when they're really learning how to form their first words and have conversations with parents that they're not seeing mouths and not seeing faces. That seems it's crazy. And now that we find out that it didn't work, the whole thing is so insane. There was a study recently, see if you could find this because we brought this up the other day, but we never Googled it, that wearing an N95 mask, you should never wear one for more than an hour a day yeah well yeah there's a lot of stuff

that's going to come out now that'll be the complete opposite of what we were told to do yeah there's apparently some other health risks that can come from wearing one of those of course all the time especially i would imagine if it's hot out yeah you're spitting into this i mean just like i remember during you know this whole thing you had all those tiktok kids get really famous in L.A. And like it's amazing that TikTok, which is an app, right, started by China. The people that started this app were very open about what they were going to do. They were like, we're going to take 20 kids, make them famous, make them icons.

Because we think in the early stages of any social media app, having majorly famous people on it brings more people into it, right? Right. majorly famous people on it brings more people into it right right so these kids that were just running around la got famous because somewhere in a room in like shanghai or beijing or whatever they were choosing who would play to america like that charlie d'amelio girls like a you know you know like the girl next door with brown hair and brown eyes and they're just like okay we're gonna make all these people famous like this is a real interesting period of time to have lived through where like while you have all this government overreach and stuff like that you have this landscape that's being completely curated in ways you don't know about you don't understand what's happening because like

people are being chosen you know in rooms in china to be famous and like you know nobody knew you know about uh you know Anthony Fauci really until he became like the czar of public health some people in the government knew who he was it was just a weird time it's a strange time where a lot of things were changing and all these all of the technology had you know and then they were like wait a minute it's all is this good is it good that we have this app that china has access to all of this information right that we have and like so that got that was a huge thing during the pandemic too tiktok exploded during the pandemic it's very interesting all these things that happen in that period of time are interesting things they're all interesting they're all interesting things yeah it's a new sort of

era of human beings like a totally new chapter yeah like a weird chapter where nobody trusts the government nobody trusts the media nobody trusts there's a lot of people that don't trust election machines they don't trust politicians they don't trust congress people they don't trust politicians. They don't trust congresspeople. They don't trust the cops. Nobody trusts anything. And it's also, we're like at the verge. We're about how many years away from being able to read minds. Right. How many years do we have before we're plugged into something? I don't know.

Most people's minds I don't want to read. Do you know how wild that can be? They can keep their mind. When you find out, imagine if you were married to someone and you found out they were plotting to kill you. Well, that's crazy. Imagine you just read their mind and all of a sudden you're like, why?

Right. But also how many husbands and wives have those thoughts that pass through their head like, I should kill that motherfucker. Right. And then they never do. Yeah, they just like to entertain those things a little bit. How many people just like to...

Yeah, some people probably have fantasies about killing their significant other. Maybe that's good. But what if you know they're plotting it? Right. Well, look at the Gilgo Beach guy, right? This woman slept next to this guy, lived in her house. He's killing hookers and burying them on a Long Island beach.

He's like this regular Massapequa dad walking around, going to bars, telling people about the murders because he wants to be cool, going, oh, I google murder you know how it probably happened it's like that oj book he released if i did it this guy's going to bars and london going yeah this is probably i'd have people getting creeped out they're like he seems to know a lot about this um oh my god so they suspected him before that yeah they're watching they were watching him for a while and then he was always talking about he was always talking about it. And they had a few other things, DNA, technological things. He implicated himself with DNA on a pizza box or something. And then they got him.

But again, this was a guy who had two kids. Didn't they find his wife's hair at the scene? Something. I don't know. I think one of his wife's hairs. That's interesting. I don't know. See if you can find wife's hair. That's interesting I don't know I think Steve could find that because I think that was one of the ways they found that's so weird that then she's like

Oh my my husband's Gilgo Beach murderer And you were sleeping with that guy. Yeah, the kids with that guy Yeah, and then the daughter but I my whole I attitude was it kind of like makes you Cool a little bit like he makes you important a little bit like you it kind of like makes you cool a little bit like it makes you important a little bit like you could kind of like they won't even visit them and my whole thing is like if my dad killed a bunch of hookers I'd visit him every day I think you're so much more interesting than I

thought like I love my dad but if my dad was like a serial killer I'd be like what is going on it'd be amazing I'd feel bad for the people he killed but you would be fascinated dude it would be amazing if you could have a conversation with the Iceman. Oh, my God. He wasn't just talking.

My father wasn't just talking about his dog. What were you saying, Jay? What were you trying to get me to, on the go-go beach thing? Oh. His wife's hair. His wife's hair was found at the scene of the crime, of one of the crimes. I think it was. But that's the thing about the suburbs.

People have these weird, hidden lives. And his was that he was a murderer. Yeah. It says it's hair believed. In the suburbs, everybody looks, you know, it's very, there's a lot of conformity. Hair believed to be from the Gilgo Beach suspect's wife found near victims. Wow. They already say once Rex Hureman was identified in early 2022 as a suspect.

They watched him and his family collected DNA samples from items that were thrown away. I'd love to hear why like when these you know why did you do it but i guess it's just he was bored he's an evil i'm an evil guy and i'm bored and i need something to do there's people that hate themselves they hate life and they want to do something awful yes you know and they can they want to see if they can get away with it too People steal things Like Winona Ryder Was shoplifting things She was rich Why would she do that Because they want

To get away with it It's a thrill It's like a crazy thrill It's a thrill It's a psychopathy It's a thrill Yeah it's a psychological disorder Well Stranger Things

Got her back on a bike huh She was great on that show She was really good She was great on that show She was really good Keep stealing Good for her Who's getting hurt by that?

CVS? It's probably like department stores. But it is strange when somebody has a hidden life and it's crazy. I think this is where the N95 thing came from. I found a bunch of stuff Googling about N95. Well, you could feel when you wore those masks it wasn't good because you're breathing in your own carbon dioxide. It's bad. It says that you can wear it up to about eight hours usually.

What was this one that was saying? I was trying to find specifically what it was. This article, before I get further into it, says this blog is specifically about respirators and not face masks. Oh, okay. But it does say here, when the workers are working longer hours without a break while continuously wearing an N95 FFR. I don't know exactly what FFR means. The blood CO2 levels may increase past the one-hour mark. Which could have significant physiological effects on the wearer.

Some of the known physiological effects of increased concentration of CO2 include headache, increased pressure inside the skull, nervous system changes, Increased pressure inside the skull. Nervous system changes. IG, increased pain threshold, reduction in cognition, altered judgment, decreased situational awareness, difficulty coordinating sensory or cognitive abilities and motor activity. Decreased visual acuity, widespread activism of sympathetic nervous system that can oppose the direct effects of CO2 on the heart and blood vessels. Increased breathing frequency, increased work of breathing, which is a result of breathing through a filter medium, cardiovascular

effects, example, diminished cardiac contractility, vasodilation of peripheral blood vessels, reduced tolerance to lighter workloads. So that's not good. that's just uh known effects from breathing too yeah increased concentrations of co2 which can happen if you have a face mask on like an n95 i guess yeah see you know the people wore those fuckers all day long how many people got really fucked up from those things there's people that were wearing them outside of the park you know i saw crazy so many people outside in fucked up from those things? There's people that were wearing them outside of the park. It's crazy.

I saw so many people outside in L.A. wearing those things. But they got fucking brainwashed. Right. They got brainwashed, and they didn't get good information on what can be done to make your body more resilient. But, you know, I mean, I think at the end of the day, it's like I think people learned. Even the people that are not disclosing that. There's a lot of people. I'm very skeptical.

A lot of people now are just kind of like. For reference, the FFR, when I just looked it up, FFR means a filtering face piece respirator. When I Google that, it's like that. It's a giant face mask. It's not just a face mask. But people have those, too. Oh, well, that's insane. Okay, that's a different story. That's not an N95.

That's a fucking Darth Vader mask. But those are kind of cooler. That's a lot different. It's a lot different. That probably does a way better job of keeping all the cooties out. But it probably fucks you up because that's why you're getting so much CO2. Because the thing about those N95s, not just N95s,

but the thing about specifically surgical masks, have you ever seen that doctor that does this test where he takes a vape pen and he takes a big hit and he blows it through the face mask and he explains that the size of the vapor that's going through the face mask is far larger than the COVID bacteria or the COVID virus, rather. So when you're breathing out, it's going right through that goddamn thing.

Like some of the aspects of those N95 or was it KN95? One of maybe both of them. There's sort of an electrical charge to that kind of fabric. Right. And it captures Some of the the stuff yeah, it stops some of it from getting in yeah, so they might have a beneficial effect But like you know it's a lot. It was a mess right people people were wearing bullshit They were wearing like fuck yeah the same face diaper every day and you know what it'll be forgotten by people like will remember it and

People our age will remember it and you know what? It'll be forgotten by people. Like, we'll remember it, and people our age will remember it. Did you know that they wore them in 1918 during the Spanish flu? I did not. Yeah, they wore them. I didn't know either until this pandemic. I saw these photos of, like, the 1918s, people walking on the streets with face masks on. Hopefully we're done with pandemics for a while, and we could just be killed by all the machines. Well, Biden said there's going to be another pandemic.

Well, they want one, but. I don't know if he spoke. Yeah. It was one of those, can we need money? There's going to be another pandemic. I want machines to kill us. I'm bored with pandemics. I'd rather the machines rise just to be more fun.

I don't think you have a choice. Yeah. I think it'd be more fun to just see a bunch of AI sentient robots trying to kill everybody. If we're going to go, let's just do full Terminator. Let's go. If it's going to happen, the pandemics are boring. We've done that as hack. It's scary.

The pandemic's scary because it may have been started by people. It probably was. They were fucking around in that lab. Most likely. It got out. Trying to get more money. Some of the researchers got sick. They all fucking around in that lab. Most likely. It got out. Trying to get more money. Some of the researchers got sick. They all had COVID-like symptoms.

It seems like they know what happened. They were trying to get more money, showing the government, going, look, what if this happened? What if that happened? And it's also funding. If you can do this research. And it's probably fun. That's what's fucked up about it.

If your job is to create diseases all day, you're probably like, let's create something fun where you don't know you have it for 12 days. Then we go show the government that and go, look how scary this one is. You better fund us now. You better give us all the money because we have this crazy new disease. Because that's all they do

is they just manipulate these diseases to make them more dangerous so they can get more money. That's what it is. It's for funding. Yeah. And obviously they didn't have a fucking cure. Yeah. Right? these diseases to make them more dangerous so they can get more money. That's what it is for funding. Yeah. And obviously they didn't have a fucking cure.

Yeah. Right. So how long you been working on this thing? How long you been fucking doing these weird science projects on bugs? What do you like? What is this mosquito thing I keep hearing about where they're trying to figure out a way to have Gates is trying to vaccinate people. Well, the no bullshit. Yeah.

No, they're trying to have mosquitoes likeinate people? No bullshit. Yeah, no, they're trying to have mosquitoes like, they're, Bill Gates I think wants to own all the mosquitoes in the world. And I don't know why, but it's, I think it's good. Could you fucking imagine if that's how they vaccinate people? I think he's good, he just wants to own all the farmland and all the mosquitoes. Imagine if they genetically engineer

mosquitoes to vaccinate people. Is that what's happening? No. I mean, I'm just guessing. I think I've heard that, but I don't know what forum. See if that's real. Have they genetically engineered mosquitoes? Could they potentially? Is Bill Gates trying to vaccinate me with a wasp? Well, the first thought was like, we're going to genetically engineer mosquitoes that can't

carry malaria. That'll save so many lives. Oh, we'll go right ahead. C-Y-V-Z-I-K-V could replicate efficiently in mosquitoes and be secreted in saliva, they said. By feeding mosquitoes blood that contained the C-Y-V-Z-I-K-V virus, the insects were transformed into a vaccine carrier. Awesome. Zhang's team then tested the effectiveness of their new vaccine on mice.

So every time you just hit your leg, you're like, I got a booster. I'm getting boosted now. Jeez Louise, what are these people doing? That is the wildest thing that the world hasn't stepped in and just said, stop all this fucking gain ofof-function shit it makes a lot of money you know scientists were able to genetically modify parasites

deliver malaria vaccines through mosquito bites holy shit dude we use the mosquitoes like there are a thousand small flying syringes explains University of Washington Seattle physician and scientist Dr. Sean Murphy, lead author of the paper. Yeah, that's crazy. Bro. That's crazy. Well, it's also crazy that Gates wants to own all the farmland and stuff. People that make a billion dollars, a lot of them

just don't want to chill with a billion dollars. You know when you're a little kid, you're like, It's got a hundred plus billion. I know, but it doesn't matter anymore. He wants people to do everything he says. When you were a little kid, you're like, if I had money, I'd just put a water slide from my bedroom to the pool, right? Yeah. That's what your little kid idea.

I'd have a fast car and I'd have a fucking jungle gym in my, whatever it is. Then as you grow older, you go, okay, I'll have a mansion and a couple of things. Then you're like, I'll get to fuck all the hot bitches or whatever it is you think money's going to get, right? Right. But at that level, you're like, I want to own all the mosquitoes and I want them to vaccinate people on my command. It goes so crazy. You have so many resources that you are a Batman villain.

You've become this like all powerful. He's a country. Bill Gates has the resources and not a small country. He has the resources and the political power of a country. If they release those vaccine carrying mosquitoes, there would be people out there that would be bug catchers where they're trying to

go get stung up as much as possible so they can be free of any worry of diseases. Well, there'd also be people, there'd also be like clinics in LA and Beverly Hills where you could go and just get stung. Yeah, for sure. And they would put it on your skin and you'd get stung. Did you guys get stung?

Yeah, I got stung today. Stung, stingers. It's so itchy, but it works. It doesn't work? Out of the 14 participants who were exposed to malaria, seven of them, including Reed, came down with the disease, meaning the vaccine was only 50% effective. Oh, that's better than the COVID one. That's fine.

That's fine. For the other seven, the COVID is fucking terrible. No, 50%. Oh, that is successful for these people. Yeah, it's a lot. 50% is a home run. For the other seven, protection didn't last more than a few months. Oh. So.

Sounds like you got to get stung every couple of months. Every few months. You need a new booster. You need to get stung every couple of months. Every few months. You need a new booster. You need to get stung. Booster stung. I actually cried when they told me I had malaria because I developed such a close relationship with the nurses, Reed said. She wanted to continue through the trials, but her infection made her ineligible.

She was given a drug to clear her case of malaria and sent home. I think we can obviously do better. Oh my God, these guys want to keep going. They want to get stung. But isn't the real solution to malaria they need to, like we had malaria in America one time. It was a lot of standing

water. You know what the solution is? Shopping malls. Condos, buildings, roads. Right. It's go buy jungles. Yeah. Stop with this crap. The real solution is famous Dave's. Dave and Buster's. KFC. That's the solution hygiene hygiene you know running water sure sewage systems that are functional but you know you don't get malaria

in a mall right you don't get it in a hotel you know you get it in a forest or a swamp for mosquitoes right but how do mosquitoes get it they get they don't all have it right they get it from mosquitoes, right? But how do mosquitoes get it? They get it. Because they don't all have it, right? Well, they get it in those really hot, swampy areas, a lot of stagnant water. Right, but how are they getting it? How are the mosquitoes getting malaria? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Because it's not all mosquitoes. Do they carry it?

Do some of them just carry it? Right. So let's Google that. What's the origin of malaria? Yeah, they're carrying it. They're taking it from the air. They carry it. Where do they get it from?

Where do they get it? Who has it? Like what? Like a person or a thing? Yeah, another person or an animal. Or a hog, maybe one of those hogs. Oh, those dirty pigs. They spread a lot of stuff.

Yeah, there's a lot of animals that have some funky-ass diseases. So those vaccinations are good when you're going. Like, I'm sure they're good in a lot of cases, but they're also good if you're going to, like, some of those countries where it's like one kind of mosquito that can spread it oh malaria spread spread when an infected anophilus mosquito bites a person this is the only type of mosquito that can spread malaria the mosquito becomes infected by biting an infected person drawing blood that contains the parasite when that mosquito bites another

person that person becomes infected my friend justin got malaria three times yeah that's the guy for the fight for the forgotten with the well he got malaria and then it came back he was like depleted and it came back he's trying to give like people water right yeah yeah we'll stop doing that that's the problem that's the issue no uh good for him for doing it. But that's an occupational hazard. Yeah. You know? Yeah, he got rocked with a bunch of different things.

Some sort of a parasite at one point in time really fucked him up for months and months. Because a lot of people go over there and they get exotic things and they don't even exactly know what you got infected with. Well, that's the thing. I've always wanted to visit the Amazon rainforest in Brazil, but then there's some really wacky stuff you could just get, and some people don't even know what it is. Some people come back from that, and five years later have an issue. I don't know. Yeah, I think there was a case real recently of someone getting infected by a parasite

or a bacteria that they had not identified before. Right. Like a new one. Well, that's the thing about those areas. And that's what makes them so cool is that they're, you know, there's areas in the Brazilian Amazon that are, you know, uncontacted tribes, unexplored. I had Paul Rosely on.

Yeah. He's the guy that goes down there and he's like working to try to preserve these areas and protect them. And what they do is they wind up hiring loggers to now protect the forest. Because they don't have any fucking jobs out there. So if they can hire them to do something good, that's what they want to do, they'd much rather do that.

So they do that now and they've protected like a shitload of the Amazon rainforest. There's regions of the Amazon that are just impenetrable or crazy. He was talking about it and he was talking about his encounters with some of the natives. are just impenetrable or crazy. He was talking about it. And he was talking about his encounters with some of the natives. It's wild. That's crazy.

At one point in time, he thinks they were hunting him. Really? Yeah. He like peeked around. He saw someone with face paint on with a bow and arrow. He's like, oh my God. And he realized he was surrounded. And he got out of there.

That's so crazy. Whoa. They just fucking kill people. Right. And they find people encroaching because they've been killed i mean there's been like war going on between people that are like but if you go down there could you become their god could you convince them you were a god if you had like sufficient fireworks that's the thing like if you went down there and were

like yeah i'm your god they would shoot arrows at you still. They would try it out. Yeah. They wouldn't believe you. They don't know your language. You don't know theirs. So good luck learning some Amazonian tribal language. Yeah.

But if you went down there with some phones and crazy stuff, they might think you were a demon too. You have floodlights. For Columbus, use the eclipse, supposedly. Oh, yeah, supposedly. Yeah. You told them the eclipse was coming. They all bowed down. That. He told them the eclipse was coming, and they all bowed down. That's powerful if you know that shit's coming. That's a dope move.

They knew shit back then. It's a killer move. And they were doing that little sextant in the sky thing. That's what they fucking knew. I mean, imagine making your way across the ocean just looking at the stars through this thing. And then landing and going, hey, I know something's coming. And then predicting it and then having them go, oh, this guy must be a god. He must be plugged in.

And you kind of can't do that anymore. No. Because the light from the planet, from all the cities and everything, it's like significant pollution stops you from seeing the stars, unless you're like way the fuck out there. Also, their immune systems have been exposed to very little,

so they could die from nothing, from a cold, right? Yes. Because cold right because like that's what killed most of the native yeah 90 of the native americans who died died like smallpox smallpox so it wasn't us no that's what got them stuck didn't we give them blankets of smallpox marine worms got them stuck in 1504 christopher columbus on his fourth transatlantic voyage had been stranded with his men on the north coast of jamaica their last two ships riddled with marine worms so marine worms are worms that eat wood so they eat through boats so having said a small part of spanish occupied occupied hispaniola uh 100 miles to the east paddling canoes hewn from local timber yeah they awaited rescue but their food had run out,

and the Jamaicans who had been pleased to provision them when they first arrived had tired of the trinkets the Spaniards could offer in exchange. Luckily, Columbus had astronomical tables with him, which indicated that a lunar eclipse was due on February 29th. Calling the local chiefs together, Columbus gravely told them the God of the Christians was all-powerful and very displeased with the Jamaicans' refusal to keep them fed. And as soon as his, and a sign of his wrath, as a sign of his wrath, the moon would be darkened and turn the color of blood that evening. Many of the natives laughed, although others were not sure.

All were convinced when the eclipse began, as Columbus had told them it would. But hold on for this. You're telling me they never saw an eclipse before? You're telling me they had no idea that that happened? That seems unlikely. They might not know how. To know it was going to happen that night though. Right.

The fact that he was timing the eclipse with his sand glass re-emerging from the appropriate, at the appropriate juncture. The outcome was, as Columbus had anticipated, convinced of the power of this god, the Jamaicans fell to their knees, begging forgiveness. The stranded Europeans did not want

for anything again before their rescue six months later. That's cool. It sounds a little like the UFO disclosure talk. Yeah, a little odd. I'd go with they've seen one, but they probably thought it was a god blocking it out for the night for some reason. I'm sure he probably did convince some of them that he was really smart.

Yeah, I'm sure. He should probably be the leader. He knows when the eclipses are coming. I've always wanted to see that area, but I'm not going to do it now. That's always interested me, that type of the Amazon that that area oh the Amazon's gotta be amazing it's gotta be amazing right it's gotta be amazing really cool wildlife down there and beautiful yeah flora and fauna it's crazy it's like but I just you know there's a lot of that's where you get a lot of disease carrying

mosquitoes I saw a jaguar walk right by him. How far away did he say that jaguar was? How beautiful, probably. Who said that, Columbus or Rosalie? No, Paul Rosalie. Columbus. Columbus said, I saw a jaguar walk right by me. I don't recall.

It was real close. That's one of the most beautiful animals. Oh, my God. The sloth, the river dolphin, the bottlenose dolphin, like this crazy, the anaconda. The black caimans. I didn't know they got to be 16 feet long. The black caiman.

I mean, there's stuff there. There's spiders the size of garbage can lids. It's crazy. It's a wild place, man. It's a wild place. And most of it is just completely just dense forest where you can't even barely get to. I know.

But, you know, get some resorts. Get people to work. They tried to do that in the Congo. And what happened? It's a dense forest where you can't even barely get to. I know. But, you know, get some resorts. No. Get people to work. They tried to do that in the Congo. And what happened? People tried to live the fucking- They went nuts. The arrows came in.

The jungle ate them. The jungle eats you. It's just too much. It's too much. The Congo is just- It'll blow around everything. Yeah. Congo's impossible.

I still believe in the power of the four seasons. Like if they went in there and just slashed and burned. You got to do a burn. A big one. You got to do a burn. A big one. You got to do a big burn. You got to burn several acres of the rainforest. Put a lot of concrete down. A lot of concrete.

I do think that's- Steel water. We're going to have to start moving in that direction. Steel water. Oh, yeah. Make a giant golf course. Giant golf course. You want a golf course.

Those Madison Club properties. He should do it. He should do it. Look at this anaconda. Yeah. Where's that? But people would pay to see that. Oh, my god.

Now what if it had drinks on it with a tray with drinks? It has a tray with drinks and people are taking the drinks off it. There's money to be made. Velcro it around its waist. Yeah. Keep it stable. There's money to be made. Oh my god. Look at the size of that thing.

Yeah, they're big. That thing is enormous. Rosalie said he got on top of one of them, but he couldn't get his arms around it. Yeah. He said it was 25 feet long. Well, it probably just ate, because when they just eat, they... No, he said it was the whole body was that big. Interesting.

It was that big. But a lot of times, when an anaconda eats, it expands. Yeah, but he said it was like the whole thing. It was going through his arms. So it was just massive. He got on top of it like a crazy person and wrapped his arms around he said it slid through his arms he said he couldn't touch his fingers because it was so big it was that big yeah well that's who's behind lizzo on the tour now because these bitches turned on her there it is lizzo oh. Oh, Lizzo.

God bless her. Yeah, man. I mean, that's the business she's in. People turn. They turn. It's life. Well, it's also she's in, you know, she's a part of that outreach business. She's a part of that.

When you're in the machine, she made her money. She made her money. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. What's a little banana out of a pussy? It's a little banana out of a pussy, folks. So she got a little carried away. Please.

That's how she likes to party. That's how she gets down. Yeah, that's how she got down. Could be worse. Yeah. Yeah, what the fuck? She gave you a job. Be grateful.

Be grateful. As a person, as a human being that cares about people's joints, I would not ever advise a bunch of ladies who had not done any real rigorous physical activity. They were pissed. You're going to get fucking hurt. You're going to get knee replacements. Yeah. Rip your fucking knees apart.

But it's like, be grateful, be happy, and just enjoy it. Yeah. But it's like be grateful, be happy, and just enjoy it. Yeah, but maybe get those girls on some sort of a rotation where they don't have to go on tour every day. I don't know how many times they were doing it. But if you were a big girl and you had to do that kind of dancing every night, that's a lot of fucking work out of nowhere. It was probably too much for them. You imagine if Burt Kreischer offered you a tremendous deal to go on his crazy tour, but you have to do cartwheels every night. That's a part of the thing.

I feel like I would. Everybody's going to learn. I would have to. Yeah, it would be too much. I would say no, thank you. Wait. Davis also claims in the lawsuit she had once had to soil herself on stage during excruciating re-audition fearing the repercussions of excusing herself to go to the bathroom yeah but that's also like that's on you

okay no one told you that's a weird one you just shit yourself yeah that's a weird one you just shit yourself yeah it's all right also if you weren't a big girl you shit yourself during rehearsal for the fat show. Is there any truth to the rumor that bigger people shit themselves more often? I don't shit myself, but I'm... Ever? No. I don't remember.

I'm remembering when I was drunk, when I was really drunk. I don't think it's a common thing. But I think if I had to do Lizzo's dance routines every night I would be shitting myself it happens you'd be shitting yourself and be grateful be grateful you're on this tour but if you're shitting yourself

you have to take a shit you have to tell people I am so sorry but I have to use the restroom but it would be so funny to me if one of them said hey I gotta use the bathroom and Lizzo just went at them like a grizzly and said, fuck you, keep dancing. Hold it in. And they just danced and shit themselves.

Do you ever like about to go on stage and you wondering if you should take a shit? I always use the bathroom before I go on stage and I make it a point too because I know that that's a possibility. But I've had moments where I wasn't sure if I shit and then I just dump truck. Yeah.

Just like a load of lumber. Before you go on stage, there's anxiety sometimes in your stomach a little bit. And then that going to the bathroom is... Yeah. Maybe that was that girl. Yeah. Let her take a shit. Maybe she could perform better.

Yeah. It's a beautiful situation there when you have people that are really overweight dancing and shitting themselves on stage. That's what progress is. Yeah, but I don't think you can blame someone when you shit yourself. You really can't. You really can't. Well, if you're a lawyer, there's lawyers disagreeing with you.

Well, I don't think. There's a lot of lawyers. I don't know about that. Yeah. Because unless they specifically told you, you can't leave to take a shit. Yeah. Unless they specifically told her that. No, I think she internalized it and she decided to shit herself, which to me is like, guys.

Come on, you have to be able to. Grow up. Well, on the other hand, though, if they did discourage them from using the bathroom, human beings have to use the bathroom. Right. That's ridiculous. Especially, they're rehearsing. Like, let her take a shit in between takes.

Yeah, but also, like, I do respect if Lizzo was like, don't fucking use the bathroom on this tour. If she was like a hard ass. I do respect the idea of that. Of her just going like, all these girls being like, yeah, now we're finally going to get respected. And Lizzo's like, you ain't shitting on my tour. Okay? Also, there's something very to get respected. And Lizzo's like, you ain't shitting on my tour. Okay?

Also, there's something very funny about the idea of Lizzo walking around calling them all fat pigs. It's just, I'm sorry, but that makes me happy. Are we sure that's true? I don't think it's true at all. I don't know, but it makes me happy. It makes me happy. If it's true. It's hilarious and very fun.

And a judge having to look at all these fat people in a courtroom and go, wait, who's what? Who's the problem? Is that it's fat privilege or fat people allowed to call other people fat is that okay? It should be kind of okay, but if you're if she's your boss obviously it's like a problem But it's just funny to me. Let's take morality out of it. There's nothing funnier than that Right just Lizza walking around stage calling people fat. I mean, it's just so funny than that. Right. Just Lizzo walking around stage calling people fat.

I mean, it's just so funny. It's an absurd world. Well, there's a thing that happens to people when they get their own show. Yeah. If they've never had a show before. Yeah. Some of them go loony, right? Roseanne talks about it real openly how she went loony.

Brett Butler famously went loony. Yeah. You know, it happens. All of a sudden, you're kind of a dictator. And then you're like, here's the banana. Eat it yeah i've heard quite a few sitcom stars eat the banana bonkers when they had their own show i'll tell you a story afterwards yeah good one okay but it's just there's these moments where you just decide that the rules don't apply you can just fucking scream at everybody it's the ellen thing yeah you're you're the you're the one in control

of everything. Right. You could just fire people on a whim. You know, you want to be feared. Well, I think it was like part of it was like Lizzo was like these girls were, they're like her too. It's weird. It's weird to have a bunch of people that are very much like you and that that might be another layer of weirdness too. Didn't you ever watch that New Jersey reality show? What's that called?

Jersey Shore? Yeah. Didn't you watch that? Yeah, I've watched it, of course. They're all real similar to each other. Yeah, they're a problem, too. Would you want to go on the Jersey Shore tour? Who got nabbed?

One of those guys got nabbed for tax evasion, right? He got out of it. He made a mistake. People make mistakes. It is a weird one like a lot of these folks. He got a hair gel endorsement and he didn't. A lot of these folks get wrapped up in fraud schemes and shit. A lot of reality star people. You go from having no money to money and then you go, what the hell do I do with it?

Do I have to pay all of these taxes? Didn't those folks on the New Jersey Housewives, didn't the Italian guy get deported? Yes. Yeah, because he didn't pay. That was a tax thing too, right? Wasn't it? Yeah. They don't play.

They don't play around. Do reality people get fucked over? Yes. Do reality show people end up getting fucked over? Well, they become famous and they're not rich. And then they go, oh, oh, I have to pay? Yeah. They don't get it.

Well, and then they try to figure out a way to keep the ball rolling. Well, because they also got famous kind of a scam right Reality TV is kind of a little bit of skin. It's not like they worked on a craft right yeah It's kind of a scam so they're like oh that you will just let's apply that to everything in my life Yeah, let's apply that to every single thing ever and they got through right they actually made it on television right so it becomes this Like they made the shiny they touched the ring they were right there They were there they were there they were close and then they got to figure out how to get on it yeah and then they maybe the real

thing is like start their own right yeah come up with their own concept the reality show economy yeah yeah there's a bunch of those guys that went from one show to the next they did like and then every now and then did like that bitch from the new york housewives did that skinny girl margarita and made like 20 30 million bucks. So every now and then someone will like bank. They'll like hit it. And the Beverly Hills lady who owns the restaurant. She was rich forever. She was rich forever.

She was already rich. Already rich. Those restaurants suck, by the way. Those just watching those ladies turn on each other and like, why is that so interesting to people? Well, it's interesting because it's voyeurism, right? You're like. It's fascinating. It's fascinating.

It's fascinating. People are like, you know, the first season of that real Housewives of Orange County was actually a real good primer on the mortgage crisis because you saw like these people with these multiple houses, multiple cars, like one guy worked at the title company, one woman was a realtor, one woman was dating a mortgage guy. And you saw how like Southern California, Irvine, California, where a lot of those companies started, a lot of those housewives lived in that area

and were making money in that sector of the economy that was about to collapse. And then when it collapsed, you saw them go broke. Some of those people went broke. And that became interesting to people, watching people ride high and then go low yeah try to like even out again it was you know when people have to downsize people had to downsize people like when watching people get humbled they like watching people get humbled for sure yeah you

know and just if it's fascinating to watch the waves of money is interesting because What it it does not make you happy it can make you happier It can alleviate the pressure on you. Yes, but it's not it doesn't fill your soul, right? It's not a soulful thing per se But it it is interesting watching it Affect people like watching wealthy people.'s no reality there's very few reality shows about poor people you know it's that it's usually about watching rich people really yeah how many reality shows are about poor people teen mom cops not a million people yeah but are they even poor are they poor are they just swampy because like duck dynasty guys are rich those guys already were rich they're rich they had duck calls they just swampy? Because like Duck Dynasty guys are rich. Those guys already were rich.

They're rich. Because they had duck calls. They're just a different kind of rich. They're a different culture. They're country millionaires. Yeah. Hoarders. Hoarders. Hoarders is poor. Hoarders is poor. Hoarders is poor. Hoarders is poor. McMansions is you're doing okay. What is

McMansions? There's not a lot of mansions on Hoarders is what I was saying. Oh, right, right, right. They at least own a house. No, those are crazy people. Yeah. Shane Gill has turned me on to the shit hoarder. The lady who was shitting in buckets and leaving them in her house.

Wouldn't you get really sick for the shoes? Well, I don't know how she survived. Her fucking bio must be. My strange addiction is fun where they eat things that they shouldn't. Have you ever seen this one with a shit hoarder? No. It's so insane. I'll have to watch that. I would play it for you right now, but we've already played it with Shane.

No, yeah, yeah. It's so insane. This lady was just like buckets of shit, like milk jugs filled with shit. She sealed them, left them in the corners. People are odd. She wanted to go back at the end. They got her to get out of the house. Yeah.

She wanted to go back for one last hurrah. By the way, why waste- One last hurrah of eating contaminated food. why waste a minute on someone like that? If someone's like, I'm addicted to eating shit, it's almost like, hey, man, today is not the... Do you drive heave if you just watch the film? Yeah, it's just so funny. You're debating with her, and she's like, why should I leave? It's my home.

And you're like, well, it is full of shit. The best part is at the end. She's like, I'm not the worst one you guys have ever covered. And they're like, well, it is full of shit. The best part is at the end. She's like, I'm not the worst one you guys have ever covered. And they're like, oh, yeah. They're like, you're absolutely the worst one. You have literal shit in your house. Her mother grew up storing her own shit, too. Well, it's a family thing, then.

It's a family affair. It's just the end of it. It's not showing all the shit. I'll just be here talking. I'm going to go ahead and eat some of the contaminated food, and then the party's over. Because I have to get it. I like her I like her. I've been eating poo for 12 years. No, it's not.

She's like, yeah, right. Yeah, right. I'm going to watch that. It's so hard for me to watch that and not dry heave. It's very difficult. It's very difficult. But, you know, we live in a vibrant and diverse country. Yes, we do. Where a lot of people, like this is my governor of California answer to that.

People have a lot of different ways to live. Do you know how haunted that space of land must be? Like they leveled their house. It's bad. But who's going to rebuild? It's bad. Who's going to rebuild? Shane Gillis. That's just his favorite episode of Hoarders with Joe Rogan. I gotta watch it. I haven't seen it in a while. Featuring Shanna the

shithoarder. Yeah. It's wild. It's wild. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there are more realities about poor people than I imagine. I think they're funny too. No, they're great. The moonshine people, aren't they poor? Cops. Cops, I said,

of course. Didn't they stop making cops? It's back. Fuck it. Let's go. It's a moneymaker. Yeah, the pandemic. There's a lot of anti-copy here. Cops is great natural humor. You know, crackheads are naturally funny. Yeah, the pandemic, there's a lot of, you know. Cops is great natural humor. You know, crackheads are naturally funny. Yeah, and also, here's what's hilarious. You have to get those people to sign releases.

Yeah, probably give them $5. Isn't that amazing? Here's a cigarette. Sign. Like, hey, yeah, I know you're on meth. You're hanging out, running the street, but will you sign right here? I'll give you $5. There's no way that's hard. They have that other show, the live one, where they don't have to sign a waiver. They get away with some loophole where it's live.

It's a live documentary of the cops. So the people in the background are like, they're just in there. Come on. Even the people they arrest? I don't. It's all live. So I think there's a loophole with it being live. What?

Yeah. Yeah. You can't edit it. I'm going to edit it. It's live. Oh, you can get. Those are easy people to sign releases. I'm going to edit it. It's live. Those are easy people to sign releases.

I'm not going to edit it. It's live. I could get a release, a minute signed over there. Well, there's places like when they did Crank Yankers. You could do Crank Yankers in Vegas because it was legal to record someone on the phone. Wow. Whereas in California, someone has to know. You have to say, hey, Tim, I'm recording you. Gotcha.

But when they're doing it in Vegas, you can kind of get away with a lot of shit. That is interesting. Wow. I never thought about it like that. As long as they're doing it in Vegas, you can kind of get away with a lot of shit. That is interesting. Wild. I never thought about it like that. As long as they're doing it from Vegas. Yeah. How do you prove that? I guess there's phone lines and everything.

Yeah. Yeah, you'd be able to prove that, I guess. But it's just, I mean, because especially if it's a television show on Comedy Central. Right. That was a funny show. It was a great show. Comics used to call people up and prank them, and they would have little stuffed animals. That's a great show. It was like hand puppets that were talking for you. Yeah, it was a lot show comics used to call people up and prank them and they would have like us like yeah little stuffed animals That's a great show like hand puppets. We're talking for you. I was a lot of fun. Yeah

Yeah, that's there's weird legal loopholes like where you some states allow you to film people and they don't have to know about it And other ones they don't yeah, and for sure your Amazon your Electra and all that shit or Alexa there till me You're listening. They're listening. Yeah, but they've arrested people for murder and got the data on their Alexa. You better catch them. Catch them. Catch them the normal way? Catch them the normal way.

What if it's your sister and someone stabbed your sister? I stumbled across this earlier looking at something else you guys are talking about. A Roomba. Oh, my God. Recorded a woman on the toilet. How did screenshots end up on Facebook? Oh, my God.

She took photos? The Roomba took photos of her pooping? Yeah, like she's on the toilet. Whoa. end up on facebook oh my god she took photo the roomba took photos of her pooping on the toilet whoa that's why but how did it go to facebook it says it's not supposed to happen it got sold to some data company zuckerberg bro that fucking whole data mining thing is so insane that we never thought of this thing as a commodity and it's the most important it's literally responsible for the big some of the biggest corporations that we never thought of this thing as a commodity and it's the most important commodity. It's literally responsible for some of the biggest corporations that we know of. People want data.

They want it. They want to know what you're thinking about. They want to sell you everything. Sell you everything. How many times have you been talking and you open up your phone and it shows you an ad for something that you've been talking about?

A lot of times it'll happen. It'll creep you the fuck out. It'll happen a lot of times. It'll creep you the fuck out. I started to buy the stuff at It's that I mean because yeah Good shit bro fight that why fight it that makes sense I fight it you know yeah El Pollo Loco used to do the keto burrito and that would always be on my phone cuz I would always say things about keto and Then that I'll pull your local be like look at that. It's a better burrito it's fake but they called it a kid over here I mean it's not

ketogenic well it's El Pollo loco so you do I I'm not taking a word for it yeah they'd have to have a low carb yeah rap which they do make they do yeah they do I'm taking their word for it just never taste right I'm making their taking their word for it I'll put a loco you know what it is it's the thing you were talking about when you're eating sugar. And you know you're not supposed to eat it. It's bad. You have shame.

There's a thing about a real quesadilla with a flower. Well, during this movie, I did a small role in this movie. And everybody had to smoke fake cigarettes because of these dumb unions that are now on strike, solidarity. But they were like, everyone in the movie, it was like we had to smoke. And we had to smoke, and we had to smoke these herb cigarettes, and they all sucked. Did they hurt your throat?

Except the star who was allowed to smoke the real cigarettes. What? Oh, yeah. No. Yeah. Oh, I know that movie. That's right. Yeah.

That, you should go on strike for that. The herb cigarettes, they hurt your throat and they suck. So I'm like- Especially you really like them cigarettes. Well, it's like, I don't you know, I like an excuse to smoke. So it's like, oh, it's my job. Right, you have to. So if I'm like, if I have to do this today because of my job.

But then, so I was really excited because I hadn't smoked in a while. The guy goes, oh, here's the herb cigarettes. I go, what the fuck? This sucks. You didn't put your foot down? No, I just did it. I just did it. So, you know, but you'll see. I don't know if I'm smoking in the scene, but I was just like, and then I just did it i just did it so you know but you'll see i don't know if i'm smoking

in the scene but i was just like and then i just put it in the ass did it burn your throat it sucks it's just not the real deal right no buzz no buzz no one would get addicted to them nobody would ever get addicted to herb cigarettes nobody would die from an herb cigarette the gross feeling of the things you get addicted to are the good things and they're the bad things. But there's a reason you get addicted to them because they are- They give you something. They give you something. Give you a little juice. They give you a little juice.

When people end up in the depths of a fentanyl, you see these people walking around San Francisco, downtown LA, whatever it is, you go, how the fuck do you end up that bad? But it's the power of that drug. The power of that drug makes you go, yeah, I live on the street. What's about, because they'll offer people rooms and then they go, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'll just turn tricks on the street. Jesus Christ.

And you go, what is it? That drug is so good and it affects them in such a way that living without that feeling is unimaginable yeah even i mean they just become a drug at the end they're not even human being it's really sad yeah but you think about it you're like god and the and the and the rapid apoyaloco that is not that the keto rap is not that but those the power of drugs whether it's sugar or booze or whatever it is people throw their marriage and their life away because of alcohol yeah damaged relationships with their families like it's it's amazing how how powerful that stuff is yeah and gambling we've been talking a lot about gambling amazing how that gets people but that one's good because you could win i mean you could win you might win you might win but i stay far away from that because i can feel

myself when if i play a few hands in vegas where i can feel my oh this is you could get into that oh yeah and they say that's the worst one ironically because there's no physical symptoms of withdrawal and you don't have any physicality associated with it so you could just blow everything everything have you ever had like a real gambling addict on oh how would well david show was definitely i was one of his yeah he had a real gambling vice yeah um not an addict in the sense that like guys who just lose everything all the time i know guys who are pool players who are like some of the best pool players in the world. Yeah.

And they will play and win a tournament and win a check for like $10,000. Right. And then gamble it all on the flip of a coin. That's amazing. I've seen that happen. Yeah. There's one guy who's famous for it. And these guys just are always in action.

If they're not on the poker table, they're playing roulette. If they're not playing roulette, they're gambling at pool. If they're not gambling at pool, they're gambling at poker. They're fucking gamblers. They just gamble. They want that juice all day long. And money is just fun coupons. It's how they live.

That's how they get their excitement from it. That's how they get their excitement. There's a fucking great book about this guy from New Jersey. His name is Kid Delicious. And they wrote this book called Running the Table, I believe it is. The guy is a really good author. I think he wrote for Sports Illustrated. John Wertheim, I believe it is.

Is that correct? Am I saying his name right? It looks like it, yeah. So anyway, it's about this guy who is this really depressed, overweight pool player who happens to be one of the best pool players in the world. And he's only happy when he's in action. And he travels around the country and he documents him and his friend, this guy Bristol Bob from Connecticut,

and they travel around the country playing these high-stakes pool matches where he's worried about getting killed. He's worried about getting out of the matches where he's worried about getting killed he's worried about you know getting out of the place he's worried about getting robbed wild shit but this guy was only happy when he was in action he was only happy when he's gambling he was only happy it's amazing i mean when when he would win he'd been on fucking high and when he would lose he would want to jump in front of a train. He was only happy when he's gambling. It's a binary existence. Very similar to drugs. It's only being happy when you are flying high.

And then when you're not, you're being crushed, right? I mean, that's a lot of, you know, there's comics. It's easy to fall into that. That's what happened to a lot of people when they weren't getting their juice during the pandemic. They went nuts. They were not going on stage. Going on stage for a lot of comics, it's like therapy. Yeah.

It's this brief moment of extreme happiness that you get. This like 15 minutes of everybody having so much fun. Yeah. It's a real, you know, it's a challenge,

I think, to not embrace, to not be manic. Yes. To not totally be manic. And I think, you know, all these things are drugs,

right? Whether it's fame or money or anything that's associated with any type of performance love you yeah people people tend to get addicted to these things and they kind of like they'll they'll take something and they'll make it into something else like they'll take a reaction from an audience and turn that into love yes when it's not love per se, you're doing a good job, but that's not love. And I think people turn that into go, okay, that's the love. And that gets scary and that's where

people go off the rails. It's positive energy, positive results, positive things. It's like people that live in Los Angeles for long enough, they tend to think their agents and managers care about them, like them, love them. Give a shit You know what? I mean like it's good to be dumped a few times you get the reality of the situation is

Your become a product they see you as a product They're effective at their job because they see you as a product They can't see you as a human being or you know, they might see a little bit of you as a human being But their interactions with you are can they sell you yes and you know sometimes people get pushed into doing weird shit they end up like you know there's there's people that like you know will bring your clients drugs and everything just to keep them on that oh keep them on that fucking 100 on that hamster wheel unfortunate. Listen, relationships, they always bring you booze. If you need booze...

They'll bring you anything. If you need booze in the... That's in my fucking rider. Right. I got a bottle of fucking... Yeah, they just, they want you to print money and... Buffalo Trace. They don't, you know, that's the whole thing, so...

Yeah, but if you request it. Right. So the thing is, it's like, they are feeding off of whatever... For sure. Are you really going to, like, go to Bert Kreischer and say, hey, no more drinking during shows? it so the thing is it's like they they are feeding off of whatever look for sure are you are you really gonna like go to burt kreischer and say hey no more drinking during shows shut the fuck up right like come on party keeps rolling yeah you guys want to make money or not right check his blood pressure let's go right right show must go on get him the tequila let's go burt yeah and if

you're a guy like mitch hendberg somebody was probably getting him smack. Somebody knew that he had a real problem. He was getting gangrene from shooting into the same area. It got spooky, and he did not want to kick it. Had no interest in kicking it, and he was fucking brilliant. That guy was brilliant. And it's just such a fucking weird, unique style. So comedy is a weird thing to do and it attracts

people from all manners of life but like you know there's a lot of people that you know people are very sensitive they're sensitive to see different things in the world that they can make fun of they notice things a lot and they are great they have great observational

talents and a lot of those people like they have great observational talents and a lot of those people like very sensitive people that are taking everything in sometimes like you know drugs and alcohol it goes along with that because it's a way to dull yourself yeah from the pain of you know having these realizations or you know not being healthy enough to deal with uh the world as it is so you you're just, you know, and music and art and comedy, they always have, you know, a lot of people that have issues. And being somebody who was, you know, using drugs and drinking, I haven't for 12 or 13 years, actually the things about that make you a drug addict actually make you a good

comedian too. Because like the compulsion to do drugs is similar to the compulsion to keep doing comedy or to keep doing something when it's not working and getting it to work eventually. And a lot of that type of like behavior that in a normal person's life, like what are you doing on Tuesday night? Right. You're going to tell jokes.

Yeah. Nobody cares. Nobody's paying you. You go, no, no, no no but they will in six years they go what it's crazy to normal people but if you come from being a drug addict where you're like yeah i used to go and do drugs and i would drive to get drugs and you know i would satiate myself like that, it makes sense to do something over and over and over again. And that inhibits a lot of normal people from being comedians or whatever they want to be. Because when I started a podcast, no one cared. I just keep fucking doing it.

And I was doing it myself. And it was like, you're talking to no one. And then there's a small audience that got bigger and bigger and bigger. But what made me keep doing it is the same part of my brain that made me keep doing drugs. Yeah. It was the same type of compulsive thing. Interesting. Yeah, that's your superpower.

Yeah, your ability to just bore down and keep doing something over and over and over again until you get better at it. It's a lot of comics, right? Yeah, a giant percentage of us. A lot of comics. Yeah, and that's why a lot of comics get addicted to other things. For sure. A lot of comics get addicted to drugs and alcohol, and a lot of comics get addicted to activities. I'm certainly guilty of that.

Right. Specifically, games get very, very, very addicted to games. Or specifically games get very very very right games And I think that there's like something that happens to us where the you know that pathway could be taken over by a positive thing Or like it if yeah you like you could just be like fully addicted to creating new material right addicted I fucking can't wait to get up stage with new stuff I'm fucking juiced up or it can be I can't wait to go bet my whole life savings. Right. Which is, they fucking do it, man. Yeah. You know, I was watching Dana White.

I've told this story too many times, but I was watching Dana White. He was down $600,000 playing blackjack. And I'm like, what? This is insanity. You wind up winning. You wind up being up like $600,000, which is even more insane. But like, what the fuck, man? When you're watching people get, and he's super rich.

So for him to get his juices flowing, it's got to be crazy money. Yeah. Woo! That is crazy. Woo! That's a different level of that shit. $600,000 would not be good. And it's a different level when you have the financial means to do it.

To go hard. To do it, for sure. All the time. Yeah. Woo! Unhealthy. Super crazy. Unhealthy. financial means to do it to go hard to do it for sure time yeah unhealthy super crazy unhealthy well i guess he likes that here's the thing it's like some people like sports people do what they like that's a great when you look at life like that um it's kind of a one of those things people say that sounds very very simplistic but then but then actually when you actually zoom out, it makes like-

Well, here's the thing. People do what they like. He seems to be pulling it off. Yeah. And he has for a long time. For people to say like, you're going to lose everything. He hasn't. No.

So you're wrong. Some people have a line. AA and all these things are not for everyone, right? Not everyone's an alcoholic. Some people are problem drinkers, meaning if they stop drinking, they'll be okay's an alcoholic some people are problem drinkers meaning if they stop drinking they'll be okay right some people are hard drinkers some people can recreationally use drugs there's all different types of people i'm not one of those people i can't recreationally use cocaine some people can right yeah so it's like i couldn't recreationally do comedy i had to do it to do it. Yeah. Some people can. Some people are able to give themselves that type of restriction.

Have you ever been to a Gambler's Anonymous meeting? Never Gambler's Anonymous, but there's a lot of cross-pollinations. I've been to AA where people are also gamblers. Multiple addictions. Multiple addictions. And so are they proclaiming their sobriety off of gambling and stuff? Yeah.

Booze. You know, we're people that were just drinking to fucking like, you know, all the pain of having that addiction as well. There's a lot of guys who got into comedy from AA in Boston. They're really funny guys too.

Yeah. Because they got, they would go on stage and tell these stories about being shit-faced and the crazy things that happened when they and Of course really funny of course and the quite a few of those guys wound up doing stand-up from learning how to do stand-up in Yeah meetings. Yeah for sure because they would just tell these stories One time where your inhibitions, right? Yeah. Yeah, so you're you know, if you've been a drunk and someone who's lived that life, when you get into comedy, you can kind of like go out there and just go, yeah, and then put it all on the table and go, I'm a fuck up.

And almost all of them smoke cigarettes and drink coffee. Yeah, that's a big one because those are drugs too. Yeah, all day. Those are drugs too. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee. Those are drugs too. Yeah, that's a big, well, cause those are drugs too. Yeah, all day. Those are drugs too. Drinking coffee, but sober. Those are drugs too. Yeah. I mean, it's very hard to explain to someone who's not wired that way,

Right. how it works to be wired that way. It's very difficult. If someone isn't wired that way at all, and they have no addictive tendencies, and they don't do anything really passionately, and they have lots of different hobbies. I have friends who are very happy, passionately and they have lots of different hobbies i have friends are very happy great people they have lots of different hobbies none of them

take them over right none of them care that much about any one or two of them you know they're just not wired that way they go out to dinner they have two glasses of wine they don't finish the second one right i go how great yeah who cares i like drinking with food. I like wine with food. They go, they can have one cigarette occasionally. They can have, they're just wired a different way. Yeah. Maybe they have more discipline, but also maybe they're just wired a different way because a lot, those are the same people who like aren't trying to make millions of dollars.

They're fine. I'm not saying they should. But like, then I know people who, they want to make a lot of dollars. They're fine. I'm not saying they should, but like, then I know people who, they want to make a lot of money. They are addicted to a lot of different things. They switch to go from one addiction to another. It's a problem. It's very hard staying faithful to the wife or whatever.

Like, there's a lot of people that deal with a lot of things. Like, people just wire differently. And you can wire yourself in a positive way and use those addictive tendencies in a positive way too for sure i've seen people that literally can't drink they drink they have one drink and then all of a sudden they have gerbil eyes and they're not there anymore there's a few people that i've met in my life that i've seen them drunk

and they have a couple of drinks and then something shuts off and they're not there anymore tim's not there yeah who's this person right who's this fucking half robot right wandering around well it just became for me was all i care about so if i was drinking i'd be like i am drinking right drinking is the thing that i want to do yeah partying and drinking so everything else in your life that you're supposed to care about disappears. And some of it had to be fun. Some of it. Oh, it's a lot of fun. Listen, I don't even regret it. And when people say, you don't regret it, I go, not really, because there's a lot of

fun. But what happens is you then look around and all your friends are drunks. So you start to eventually, before you know it or not, every friend of yours is a drunk or has a problem with something and that's why you all relate to each other because nobody's calling the other person out of being a mess right and then all your friends that are more successful tend to move away from you yeah and you don't realize this is happening it's happening but you eventually like you take your head up and you're so fogged out by everything that you're not then you like look at the landscape

of your life and go oh all the successful people got out of here yeah and then all the people that are left are fellow addicts and then you gotta cut the cord and and move on not only from your addiction but in many cases from your social circle. Was that the harder part? That is a very hard part. It's a hard part because you have to cut certain people, places, and things out of your life. You don't really have a choice.

And some of them you like. You like the local bar. You like your friends. It's fun. It's comfortable going to the bar, being a drunk, being a funny drunk. Yeah. But then going, well, maybe I could be funny in another way and make money at it or whatever. That's a whole different thing.

But did you try to go to the bar sober? Did you try to hang out there? I never did. If I showed you the bar I hung out, you would go, no, you don't do this sober. No, you don't do it sober because it like, you know, it's not fun sober. It's fun drunk. And this is the, you know, my mother used to say, she never drank. And she was like, oh, I used to go to bars sober because it was fun.

And I'm like, right, but you're also a schizophrenic. Like, there's something weirder about the person in the bar sober having a lot of fun. That's weirder. That is weird. The person who's like, ah, I'm sober. And they're drinking Diet Coke or water. They're more of a freak. Just don't go. You don't have to go. There's other things. This is part of our life where it's like, no, you can, you know, you can still do it. You can still go to the bar. You can still have all your friends. And so you can't,

you can't, they're not interesting when you're not drunk the bar's disgusting it smells like shit it's not cool if you're not if you're drunk there's nothing better than hanging out like i had this bar called lisa's lounge the owner uh named it after his daughter who was killed in a drunk driving accident fact and her name and her face was on the wall of the bar people would toast her and go Lisa and then drink. It was crazy. But it was fun and it made sense when you were drunk. Oh, this girl died in a car accident with a drunk driver and there's a bar named after her and we're all here

doing shots, toasting this dead person on a wall. This makes a lot of sense. This is fun. Then you sober up and go motherfucker. What? Like, none of it makes sense anymore. Right. how many people left that bar drunk driving tons all a lot so it's like when you were hanging out in these places when you're real alcoholic you're not going it's not trendy fun cool hit bars it starts there but it ends

just proximity right so if you're around a fucking bar, you're going to go to that bar. And that was a bar up a block from my house. I could walk to it. You remember Barfly? Yeah. Yeah. It's like the most rosy depiction of bar culture.

Yeah. But it's the depiction that if you were drunk, it makes sense. A toast to all my friends. Everyone is your friend at the bar everybody cares about you the bartender used to lend me your car if I needed to go get cigarettes it was hammered take my car I don't care cause she was drunk

you know what I mean she doesn't care she doesn't care I remember one guy I was sitting on a stool next to one guy once his wife brought his like 14 year old daughter in and she's like look at your father. He refuses to get off this bar.

He's a piece of shit. Oh my God. And they both laughed. And I was just like sitting next to the guy and it was kind of awkward. And he's like, you know, he goes, she's a real bitch, man. Oh my God.

I'm like, yeah, she seems pretty selfish. I'm like, you know, you deserve a couple of, you know, you come out, you have a couple laughs with your friends. But like, this is a problem, right? Like there was this woman, Marge, who used to come to the bar and she'd like shit herself. She used to call everyone faggots. She would shit herself? She would like shit herself.

And they kicked her out once. You're like, Marge, you like shit yourself. She's like, you're all faggots. You're a faggot. You're a faggot. You're a faggot you're a faggot you're a faggot so it's like these people are you know people are not well no they're not doing well there but it's a great place to be for a minute in your life to understand like if I was a person who could never understand how people get so fucked up like there's because the next step

after that bar is a fucking tent. Like, it's not that many steps. You lose your apartment, you lose your thing. Yeah. So to understand how it is, like, didn't Bill Hicks

have that great line? He's like, anyone can be, just takes the right bar, the right friends, the right girl, whatever it was. It was a great Bill Hicks line.

It was about being homeless. He's like, anyone can be homeless, takes this, this, this. But like about being homeless. He's like, anyone can be homeless, take this, take this, take this. But to understand what it's like when you surrender your thoughtful, logical capacity in your brain to a fucking glass of alcohol

and keep doing it. Keep doing it. I was in my early 20s just drinking these fucking bottles of vodka, vodka right gin and vodka just clear alcohol over and over again and then doing shots people start buying shots jack daniels and gentleman's jack and makers and whatever and just drinking all the time three or four days a week and then five days a week and then you're just really you're and then people think it's funny and then they start you know i tried to tell my dad about like i was trying to be like i think i

have a problem and i was talking about the bar hung out and instead of saying like oh you should go to rehab my dad's like you know a dirtbag bar has played a role in every dylan's life and he's like you know then he started telling me about a bar he hung out in and a bar that my uncle hung out in and it was just like a lot of people especially when you're irish it's just like yeah that's just part of it son you just go to a place four nights a week and you drink all your paycheck. That's just part of what we do. And it gets dark really quickly. And I think I sobered up at 25, but, you know, from 12 or 13, when you just start smoking

weed and doing all that stuff till you get to 25, it's like you see these people, all these different stages of addiction. Some people in the beginning, some people in the middle, some people at the end that woman marges the end she's like an old drunk an old woman who her whole system didn't work anymore when she would just go you're all fat you're and herself shooting herself pissing herself just getting sloppy and 4 30 your daughter would have to come in and take her off the stool. This is what happens. There's no good that comes out of... There's a couple

that used to hang out. This guy on the glass, his wife would spit a pill into his drink that would just make him go to sleep so she could get him out of the bar. She would just put a pill, and she would drug him. He wouldn't even know. Then she would just drag him out of

the bar because like he was so fucked up this guy that owned a glass thing a glass shop so it's really dark and when you're in your early 20s some of it's funny and goofy and you're like just fucking nuts and i'm hanging out here but then you become like you start making fun of it then you become it you become the thing you're making fun of you start going you're ironically like look at this fucking crazy and then you're like oh i'm one of the people now sitting on this bar stool it's not funny anymore it's not ironic i'm coming here to get drunk all the time and it's your social circle it becomes your social circle all these crazy people that live in the area and they're all fucking nuts and they all go to the bar and if you want coke it's there and if you want weed it's there and people you know

it's like that's the type of bar it was you could just i still drive people by it like i can't believe you hung out there and i'm like yeah was it fucking alcoholic i just i was had a problem they're like you really hung out there people just don't understand alcoholism they're like we would he like didn't you want to go to a club that was fun? I'm like, no, no, no, I was a degenerate alcoholic. I just wanted to be drunk. I didn't care where I was. It didn't matter.

I could walk to that bar. And it was fun. It was a dark place. And the people were fun. It's still around? Oh, it's still around. It'll always be. Here's the thing.

What's it's name? Yeah, Lisa's Lounge. There it is. There it is. There it is. That's it. There it is. Doesn't that look nice?

I forgot you already said the name. That looks nice, huh? That looks creepy. It's creepy. That someone lives above it? Two people got shot outside. They called it the double homicide. Yeah, some guy lives above it.

The owner lived above it. You know what he said to me once? Where's the inside? Let's see if you can find the inside. I don't know if that's the There it is. Lisa's Lounge had a new photo. There you go. Yeah, there it is. And by the way, that's Boston. That's

Long Island, right? If you went to a place... Click on that one, Jamie, where your cursor is? Yeah. That's a different one, but it's a similar game. It's like, you know, it's one of those things where a fan of mine brought a Lisa's, they had a Lisa's Lounge shirt made or something. That's awesome. But it's like, yeah, it was, that's, you know, that's the type of bar where like you realize you're in real trouble when you're hanging out there. But it's also really fun because no one cares about anything

So those environments where you can go in and go got fired. Yeah, and everybody's like photos on the Alper Yeah, I mean it's just what it is man, it's like pool halls are like that. Oh, yeah Sure similar in that way and not everyone's not drunk, but there's a very similar thing I mean, it's just what it is, man. It's like... Pool halls are like that. Oh, yeah. For sure. Similar in that way. Everyone's not drunk, but there's a very similar thing when you walk in. I got fired today. Yeah. Hey, what are you going to do?

Everybody was kind of like a misfit. For sure. They're all misfits and weirdos. And thank God I found comedy. Thank God I found a way out because that stuff eats your life, right? So, like, that will eat you. We're very happy. If you don't get out of it. I think you found comedy,

Tim Tillman. Well, thank you. Are you coming to club tonight? Yeah. Okay, beautiful. You doing a Joe Rogan and Friends? Let's fucking go. I'll go.

Eight o'clock? Eight and, seven and ten, sorry. Seven and ten. Can I do ten? You can do whatever you want. I'm gonna do ten. Yeah, do ten.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you why that's a good one later. Yeah. The pool guy at my house, there's a leak, I think. We think. Oh, no.

Fucking hot. We'll say. Oh, no uh see tim live yes tim dylan comedy.com yes the american royalty tour is on sale and we were in philly we're in charlotte north carolina we're everywhere tim dylan comedy.com go and one of the best comics working in the country well thank you very much i really appreciate it thank you so much brother that's ran through the game too thank you so much for having me my really appreciate it. Thank you so much, brother. You're the best ranter in the game, too. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. Appreciate it, brother. Appreciate you. Bye.