The Joe Rogan Experience - #2020 - Python Cowboy

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Mike "Python Cowboy" Kimmel is a licensed wildlife trapper of invasive and dangerous species, contracted python hunter, and owner of Martin County Trapping and Wildlife Rescue. www.pythoncowboy.com

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day am i wearing these yeah okay you feel weird no just have you done a podcast before i have uh not quite to this level i don't think but how did you get first of all how bad is the python an invasive species situation in florida it it is bad it's definitely bad you know you you have these tv shows that make especially the python thing seem like it's a lot worse than it is um you know or a lot easier than it is i should say it's a bad situation we have our native wildlife being wiped out but it's not like you're just going to go out there and you're tripping over pythons you know it's not the case uh i search very very hard to find them there was an

estimate of 500 000 pythons in the Everglades? Could be more. I personally think there's less. Really? I do. I do. We don't really know what's out there. The estimates have been 100,000 all the way up to 3 million. How do they estimate?

That's the thing. They're just going off of captures, really, and the decline of native wildlife, which there's other factors at play when it comes to the decline of our native wildlife. Obviously, pythons are eating up our native wildlife in the Everglades without a doubt. There is a lot of evidence of that. But our Everglades is a struggling place as it is right now between the water management, the overpopulation of our state. We have a growing panther population that we're looking like we're having trouble sustaining. Sustaining, how so? Well, we see a lot of depredation in Collier and Henry County. When you mean depredation, you mean attacking wildlife?

Attacking not so much wildlife, but pets and livestock. Yes, sir. And we just see that there's more panthers than we're accounting for just from vehicular deaths. So if the current panther numbers were accurate, If the current Panther numbers were accurate, over 30% of the Panther population dies every year just from motor vehicles. And, you know, that doesn't really seem right if you think about that. There's no way a third of the population dies every year from motor vehicles and is continuing to grow. And they're just not that stupid. So it's sort of an uncalculated they haven't calculated it correctly but you think there's more of them there's quite a lot of sightings right

um so sightings are rare but that's just because it's a very elusive animal um and they're out in the middle of the everglades i've seen like more photos of them over the last few years than I've ever seen before. We've had attacks. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. We've had, I believe, a couple in the past few years each year where people are out turkey hunting or, you know, sitting on the ground calling for a turkey, calling for a coyote, something like that. And a panther comes in and I think some guy got mauled on his face or something like that. It's pretty wild. Of course, the animal realizes what's happening and gets out of there.

But he still gets attacked. But he still gets attacked. Me personally, just from python hunting down there over the years, I've seen a dozen or more of them. I've been sleeping in my tent in the middle of the night out in the Everglades and I'm woken up by a panther growling right next to my head outside my tent, circling my tent for about 15 minutes. Oh, Jesus. Shotgun in the tent? I did. I had a shotgun in the tent. I also had a baby raccoon I rescued in the tent with me. Oh, whoa. That I think may have been, you know, a reason he was stalking me a little bit.

And I pop out of my tent with my shotgun and my flashlight. I thought it was a big bull gator just from the sound. I've never heard a panther growling inches from my head. And, dude, it is bone chilling bone chilling oh my god it was so deep and like just devilish sounding i thought it was a big bull gator it's the only thing i could think it was and it would be on this side of the tent right next to my head then it was on the other side of the tent back on this no footsteps in between i'm like what is going i'm like you don't hear anything nothing i'm like am i surrounded by alligators like what's going on

oh my god i pop out of my tent and nothing's there nothing not a thing so only thing it could have been is a florida panther maybe maybe two of them i don't know wow yeah that's so creepy that they can sneak around and not make any sound at all well it makes me think how many times did i have one right next to me and i had no idea you know i saw one in montana two years ago excuse me in utah two years ago and it freaked me out and i was in a truck 30 yards from it my friend colton goes a cat I go where he goes under the tree and I look and I see the glowing eyes cuz it was dusk and then I put my binos on him and I was you know maybe 30 yards away and his fucking head was like a

pumpkin it was a big male like I've seen cats before I've seen small ones like I saw one in Montecito California and it was like you know like 50 60 pounds almost I thought it was a coyote until I saw the tail. And I was like, oh, shit, that's a cat. But this one was different. This one had massive forearms. I mean, just massive. It was just sitting there with his pumpkin head.

And that's it. The mountain lions are a different, you know, they're not a different species or breed but they're different struck you know physically than our florida panther but not anymore really so the the our state government and all their wisdom took texas cougars brought them down to florida and interbred them with the last few remaining florida panthers we have oh. So they're no longer a Florida Panther. They're now Texas Cougars, and they are bigger, they are more aggressive, and, you know, we're dealing with it for sure. What a stupid move.

Yeah. We've seen that. It's the cane toads, cane toads in the sugar cane fields, the bufu toads that we're dealing with now, same thing. They brought them in to control insects in the fields, and they winded up eating everything but the insects, basically. And now they're a big problem. If you look at the— Are those the kind of toads that eat rats?

Yeah, they're venomous, actually. They're toxic. They produce a toxin from them and some people try to get high for a moment those are the people that like they cut themselves and put the toxin on their arm I think yes sir or they'll smoke the skin or smoke the dry toxin really yeah I don't know how how effective it is what is bufo what is the actual chemical compound What is bufo? What is the actual chemical compound?

It's like there's a word. I want to say one of the toads, it's similar to DMT. Okay. That's 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine. That comes from some toads. Is that the bufo toad, though? Here it goes. Bufagen is a toxic steroid obtained from the toad's milk the poison secretion of the skin gland and the back of the neck of a large toad uh yeah the cane toad the toad produces

this secretion when it is injured scared or provoked and what does the toxin do why do people want to that's what that's like a real poison that gives you like some crazy visions or something but that's not i don't think that's not the same one as the one that produces uh dimethyltryptamine yeah it it may not be it's definitely not some a toad i would suggest trying to get high off i think you'd get more sick what about just google uh getting high off cane toads yeah toad venom addiction and abuse people are fucking toad venom addictions licking toads particularly cane oh you can lick them

can be dangerous however it may cause muscle weakness rapid heart rate and vomiting dangerous however it may cause muscle weakness rapid heart rate and vomiting well it's so i used to have a dog this is right there my dog's getting high on cane toad should i be worried they love it you know a dog a dog can die from it um very easily it's a big risk smaller smaller dogs especially but i used to have a dog that would search them out chew them up and just sit there and trip balls all day long okay this is saying that it does secrete synthetic 5 methoxy DMT that's what I heard it it was similar to it ah okay so the cane toad is the one they use for that I've heard of people doing that what they've done is they take the toad and they rub the toad on a windshield and they get all it out. And then they scrape that stuff off of the windshield and they smoke that.

I'm like, Jesus, Louisa. That just seems so degenerate. Yeah. It seems so degenerate. That's rough. Mike Tyson said he died after smoking psychedelic toad venom. He calls it the toad. A lot of dudes call it the toad yeah I've never done that one I mean I've done the synthetic version of it but I've never done well what was that like it's like it does feel like you died it feels like

you cease to exist it's the only experience I've ever had where you cease to exist when you take regular DMT you're still there you're still exist. When you take regular DMT, you're still there. You're still experiencing it. When you take that 5-methoxy, you go away, and you think, oh no, I fucked up. You really think you're gone. So the natural's the way to do it. Well, I think that's natural too. I think your body produces that

as well. They're all just all the really potent ones. They seem to have something to do with human neurochemistry. Your brain makes all of them yeah like that's the craziest yeah it's very interesting but it's just crazy

these fucking people have addictions there's an addiction center to licking toes I didn't think it would work if you just licked it I thought you had to smoke it I wouldn't think so either

but hey these kids today they find a way that's it they huff paint they do whatever the fuck where there's a will there's a way especially That's it. They huff paint. They do whatever the fuck. Where there's a will, there's a way. Especially where you live, bro.

Oh, yeah. Especially where I live. I mean, it's the one state where you could say the state and then a man. Everybody goes, oh. Oh, yeah. And we're very proud of that. We're very proud of that. Yeah, so.

There's so many Instagram pages and Twitter pages dedicated to people in Florida doing crazy shit. Yeah, yeah. I think I've been Florida man a few times. Add that to my belt. How did you get involved in hunting pythons? First of all, can you bring that python head up? Let me see that python head.

I need to see it because I purposely didn't look. This is actually the one that bit me. I almost bled out in the middle of the Everglades, caughted out in the middle of the everglades caught by myself in the middle of the everglades and that bit you yeah yeah and this snake 17 foot seven inches 135 pounds and that's no eggs inside of it no meal inside of it that's solid snake muscle and at the time that's about what i weighed so it was a fair everglades battle royale oh my god can i see it yeah absolutely now tell me the scenario what happened so um i was on this thing yeah look at all those teeth look at that it's insane yeah and and that head actually has shrunk substantially from the freeze drying process. All critters freeze dried that for me. And, you know, it takes all the moisture out of it and really shrinks down.

my 14-foot John boat by myself, and I was checking spoil islands out there. These islands were dug maybe 100 years ago or more when they dug the canal. They were made 100 years ago when they were digging the canal. And they've been up there, you know, gaining vegetation, getting real nasty, and a lot of these critters come up on them to breed, to feed, and to nest. And I was out there looking for, you know, a python like I normally do, and I came across her. I knew immediately when I saw her that she was very large, possibly the largest python I've captured. And I could only see the back half of her, maybe like the back third of her. But I could tell she was a monster. My heart is pounding. I'd be lying to you if I said it wasn't. But you know, my main fear in a situation like that is not that this snake's going to kill me. I'm confident in how to handle

these animals, confident in my ability, but I'm worried this thing's going to get the best of me, overpower me, and possibly I lose it. It gets away into the swamp to eat more of our native wildlife. Coming across an animal like this, even with the situation we're in in the Everglades, is still a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. It really is. I've caught a number of them, but I spend a lot of time out there. So I'm getting ready to capture this snake, building myself up to it. The safest way to go about it is to find the head, grab the head with both my hands and keep her from coiling on me, wrapping around me. I can't find her head. Her head's buried in vegetation, buried in the maiden cane. I just can't see it. And she's working her way slowly off the island.

So I know I got to quickly do something. I'm afraid if I get closer to her head, I'm going to spook her and she's going to try to start do something. I'm afraid if I get closer to her head, I'm going to spook her, and she's going to try to start moving away. I grab onto her tail, and this is kind of a bad situation to be in, especially with all the thick vegetation. These snakes can easily overpower you and will actually drag you out into the swamp. There's just no stopping it. It intertwines in all the weeds and just

drags you so i know grabbing this thing my goal is to piss it off and get it to start striking at me where i can see that head and grab a hold of that head otherwise this thing's this thing's gone so i get a hold of it and it starts dragging me. It's pulling me off the island. So is it wrapped around you or are you just hanging on? No, it's stretched out. But you're hanging on. I'm hanging on to it. Yeah. This thing's eating alligators, eating deer. It's the biggest thing out here. It's not worried about nothing. It's not scared of me. You know what I mean? It's

seeing what I'm doing. So I got a hold of it and it's starting to are you wearing gloves no how are you able to really grab it if i had gloves on i wouldn't be able to grab it i need my bare hands to be able to work and and feel everything have the grip um gloves gloves will just get in the way even something with like a texture to it i don't want any of that okay i don't want any of that they just get in the way um so i got the snake dragging me out into the swamp uh you know losing this battle i'm able to dig my heels down into the limestone that i'm standing on the limestone island and i'm able to to stop her i'm not gaining on her, but I got her stopped and we're kind of in this Everglades tug of war right now. And she starts to get pissed off. She starts hissing. She starts turning around on me and this, this is what I want, but I got to not get bit. You know what I

mean? Um, a snake this size to my advantage, they're, they're slower than a smaller snake. They have a lot of body mass. They're going to tire out quickly. And her strikes aren't going to be lightning fast. So she's striking at me. I'm dodging her strikes. Oh, my God. Everything's going good.

Floyd Mayweather out there. Yeah. Doing a little duck and weave. Everything's going good. Normally when a snake strikes, it's going to strike out, recoil back, get ready, strike again, recoil back. That's how they strike. That's how they get that power. They kind of like recoil their body.

So it struck. I dodged it. It recoils back like a third of the way and hits me with this little sneak attack strike that I wasn't expecting. This snake is anywhere from 10 to 20 years or more old. So it's been around the block. It's a smart snake. And, um, you know, snakes don't normally do that. I think she, she kind of knew what she was doing she struck she got me on my arm got an artery got some veins coming off my artery and uh that that doesn't do it justice at all um their their teeth are all their punctures so uh you know they're like needles so they puncture down deep but you can see that top one gets right into my

main vein and the real bad one was on the top of my arm that you can't see where it's on this i think it's an artery i may have wrong coming coming uh on the top of my arm and i got very lucky uh normally when they bite they they latch on And she would have latched on. She would have wrapped around me. And, you know, I would have been in a very, very bad situation being out there by myself. Thank the good Lord I had him on my side that day. She struck. She bit.

I was able to grab her head. And I don't know if it's how I pushed it forward and pulled her off or what because all their teeth are recurve like like fish hooks almost kind of got her right off of me grabbed her head pushed her off of me she didn't latch on she was trying to bite again maybe maybe that she didn't think she had a good bite and she was trying to re-grip but I got lucky now I have her head I'm, I'm spraying blood all over the Everglades, but I have her head. So now my main thing is controlling her

without exerting myself too much, because every time I'm doing anything, I mean, I've never seen blood come out of my body like this, you know, really. My heart's pounding, it's, it's, I've never seen blood come out of my body like this, you know, really. My heart's pounding, adrenaline's going. And my main thing is just to stay calm. I don't think I'm necessarily going to bleed to death. I mean, the amount of blood I'm seeing across my mind, but, but I really don't think I'm going to bleed to death. I'm worried about blacking out from blood loss, the heat exerting myself. What's this snake going to do if I black out? It's going to wrap around

me. It's going to kill me a hundred percent. Um, you know, I don't think it'd necessarily be able to swallow me and eat me maybe, uh, but it could definitely kill me. So I'm really trying to control my heart rate, trying not to exert myself. The snake's biting at me, you know, going nuts. You can see the video on my YouTube of where I'm just covered in blood. And I have a snake bag with me to put whatever snake I was planning on catching in the bag. This snake is way too big for that bag. So I actually am able to use that bag to tie off my arm and kind of do a little redneck. You're holding it down. Yeah. Why? I got the head in one hand and I'm tourniqueting my arm. I think it was like this tourniqueting my arm my arm with the other and got my arm sent shut,

kind of got the bleeding under control, and I was able to kind of collect myself. This snake is pretty much worn out at this point. She's cold-blooded, so they gas out after about a 10-minute fight. She's like a limp noodle. So I'm kind of just laying on her, catching my breath. Now I got to get her back to my boat where i can put a bullet in her head because i don't just walk out around out there with a gun all these snakes i catch alive put them in a bag and it's just easier to not have a gun on me jesus and um why is it would be so hard to have a gun right there? Well, I'm literally crawling through cane and sawgrass, and it gets snagged.

You can lose a gun very easily, and it's in the way. And 99.9% of the time, I'm not going to need one. And especially me, I'm the kind of guy where if I come across a 30-foot snake, which pythons don't get that big. Let's say I come across a 30-foot snake, something pythons don't get that big let's say i come across a 30 foot snake something crazy i ain't shooting it i'm i want to catch it you know that's dude that's what i'm all about oh my god this is this is you after this thing bit you yeah this is right where i'm getting ready to try to turn a kit my arm holy shit man and you're filming this yeah i got my shoulder cam on and then i put

a gopro on the ground this is wild and you know normally i i don't always get great i mean i get pretty good footage with my cell phone my shoulder cam but like i i was set up this day and i knew i had my gopro running when this thing bit me are you cinching up at the top of your arm above the wound? Above the wound. Above the wound. Yeah, above the wound. And, you know, to be honest with you, the first thought that went through my mind when that thing bit me

and I have all these cameras going and I see all this blood is this video is definitely going viral. Just don't die. It would really go viral if you died. Yeah, I'm sure it would have. Found GoPro footage. So now you have to carry this thing out while you're holding onto its head.

Wow, she really is like a limp noodle. While it's still alive. She really is like a limp noodle. Yeah, she's gassed out. She is done. That's insane. She is done. Wow, man. That's man shit right there son not a lot of human beings are capable of doing that

and just keeping it together it's creeping me out just watching you hold on to that thing as you're walking through the the woods with it What I think it is more than anything, and, you know, I hate to kind of take away from myself, but it's what we're taught as kids, you know, we're taught to be fearful of snakes, that they're this evil, dangerous thing. And I can't tell you, I think that's why I've been so successful on social media, is these people, they just freak out watching these snakes. You know, they can't believe it. And it's, they're not really that crazy.

They're really not. I think you're just used to them. I think they're really fucking crazy. That's the reason why they're only in one state like this. Look at the size of that thing, man. That thing's enormous. And they eat alligators. Oh, yeah. i think they would eat you i've rescued three alligators from pythons wow that's actually how i started my social media is i um made the news went kind of viral for rescuing

an alligator from a python i had a guy out on a guided hunt with me. He recorded it, videotaped it, and it made the news. And a local clothing brand, Flowgrown in Florida, made my Instagram, made my social media and was like, dude, you got to start using it. We'll send you clothes. And that's really how it all got started. That's crazy. That's how it got started. That's amazing. Look at these things. And I actually, this was the smallest of the three I've rescued. It was the third one that we finally got on video because I never used to really record anything. Imagine how fucking confused alligators must be.

Like, I thought we were at the top. We were at the top forever. What happened? What the fuck is going on? 2023, times are changing. So the source of all this, I thought initially that it was people releasing pets, which it was,

but it was also there was some sort of like a Python research center and it got damaged. So there's a lot of speculation with that to me that python research center um is kind of more of like an urban myth oh really yep um there's never been a facility named uh there's this place that they keep speaking of people keep mentioning we don't know what it is you know no one's ever been oh it was this facility there's it's just not not a thing interesting and people yep people were releasing pets that got too big um they were escaping as well but to me that's not enough to be where we're

at today it's just not enough why don't we have anacondas all over why don't we have uh i mean we do have nile monitors but why don't we have nile monitors everywhere why don't we have cayman everywhere we have some cayman but nothing like the python to me it was and you know i do have some things that are leading me to believe this i'm not just pulling this out of my butt, but this is definitely an opinion, I would say. breeders in a hope that they could stop importing pythons from overseas as pets and start farming them in state and collecting them out of the everglades uh reproducing them getting big breeders out of the everglades using them and then cutting out that essential middleman and you know there's definitely been a lot of things that kind of confirm this to me. And I'm not the only one that believes this either.

But I definitely don't want to get into, like, necessarily mentioning names. Yeah, we don't have to mention names. So what gave you this? Like, what evidence is there of this? What gave you this? What evidence is there of this? Well, just from what we've seen with other species, for something to take hold like this and become so prevalent, it needs to be intentional. There needs to be thousands to be released at a time.

Really? During the height of the Burmese, it was the most popular pet being imported into Florida. During the height of it, you would have a thousand come in in a week in a crate and they would you know sell them all over the country and um i think it was the kind of thing where it's like well we can let's dump one of these crates out there and and see see what happens and see if we can start farming them out there these people um i've even just hear how they talk about the python problem in florida and it's a it's i don't know there's there's definitely something to it and just how do they talk about it kind of defending it almost you know like uh

i'll leave the pythons alone what who does that uh different different uh old school breeders that i would the different old uh reptile importers like the the kind of some of the founding fathers of of it the exotic pet trade in florida dude i think you just uncovered a giant conspiracy yeah well it is it is for sure somebody needs to look into that. People are actually responsible for this. Yeah. Well, there have been people caught. There have been people caught. And I may be wrong on this, but I believe the guy was given like life in prison or something crazy. But I think it was on the West Coast.

He was caught. It was a sting operation when they have surveillance. Him dumping hundreds and hundreds of reptiles into. I don't know if it was the Everglades, I think it was maybe the western, probably the western side of the Everglades conservancy area, and everything from chameleons, tegus, monitors, pythons, all kind of different species. And why was he doing that? Aren't they valuable? Yep. But what we're seeing in the state is people doing that to farm them, especially with chameleons. People will go out and they'll dump maybe 50 chameleons into an area in a specific tree more often.

And then they'll come back a year or two later and there's a huge population of them. And then they go out and they pick them and then they sell them for 50 to 100 dollars each. You could go out and make three grand in a night just from a couple hundred dollars of chameleons you put out there, you know, a year ago or so. Uh, and you know, there's, there's right and wrong ways to go about things. Um, you know, by no way am I knocking the reptile trade or anything like that. Um, as a kid, I grew up, uh, with 20 different reptiles as pets and, um, breeding them and selling them as pets. There's nothing wrong with that. There's a, there's a right and wrong way with anything like owning a gun or anything else. You know, we shouldn't necessarily make these animals illegal because what we've seen when just recently they've made iguanas and tegus illegal in Florida to own as pets.

and we're seeing people dump their pets because fwc has been going around and they said they wouldn't but they have been they've been going around and actually euthanizing people's pets and to someone that you know this iguana or this python even or anything to a lot of people it's like a dog it's like someone killing your dog it really is. And they would much rather turn it loose and give it the chance to survive than to have it euthanized. And then what you're left with is irresponsible pet owners. You're left with people that are breaking the law to own these animals, probably don't have proper enclosures, probably don't take good care of them, and probably will just release them when they're done with them. So you take all of the good away and you're left with the bad when instead we should put regulations in place, proper regulations, where people then are forced to house these animals correctly. And the problem is no longer pet iguanas or pet pythons. It's wild breeding animals. And when they made these iguanas illegal just this past year, they've now stopped all of that free management we had of people coming from all over the country, coming to Florida, catching these iguanas, catching these tegus, taking them out of the

state and selling them where they can't survive anyway because it's too cold. And it was helping us. It was helping control these populations. Now all of that is gone. You're not allowed to do that anymore. And this year in particular, I'm seeing more baby iguanas than I ever have in my entire life. So that was the primary way that they were regulating or that they were controlling the population size? It was people coming in and grabbing them?

No, that's not the primary way, but that was a huge way. What percentage do you think? That was on top of what myself and other people in the state are doing. That was a huge way. What percentage do you think? That was on top of what myself and other people in the state are doing. That was, especially for the juveniles and baby iguanas, that's 90%. Whoa. You know, that's what they're after. They go out there, they trap them. It may even be, you know, bigger than I'm thinking.

A lot of people were making livings off coming down here, catching them, taking them out of state. And out of state they can't survive? No, it's too cold. You see it just with you don't have these animals surviving in North Florida. It gets too cold. Interesting. Yeah. That's crazy then.

So it's almost like a perfect scenario because they can't be invasive they can't survive yeah and and that's the thing you know we all fought against this when they were trying to get these these new laws passed because at face value it seems like oh yeah make them illegal it'll help but um you know when you talk to the experts and the people that really know it's it's counterproductive. And at this point, there's so many iguanas in Florida that the idea of eradicating them. No, we're never getting rid of the pythons. We're never getting rid of the iguanas.

They're here to stay. But management is absolutely essential. Is it possible to manage the pythons in the Everglades? Yes, it is. You know, how effectively it is remained to be seen. I feel right now we're losing. We're losing that battle. But that's because the state really ties our hands. Um, for the general public, it's almost impossible for them to go out and hunt these pythons. They just don't have the access. Um, you know, they're not getting compensated for it. Nothing like that.

A lot of these areas where the pythons are, you're not legally allowed to go off the trail in a vehicle. And that's the only way you can get around. So you have to stay on trail? You have to stay on levees, roadways. Is there an extensive trail system or is it mostly just wild? No, it's mostly just wild. And here's another thing which you're going to get a kick out of. In the national park itself, you are not allowed to remove invasive species.

If you come across a 20-foot python eating a deer, you are not allowed to do anything. Because it's inside the national park and everything inside the national park is protected, even the invasive wildlife. Now, they do allow state contractors to go in the national park and remove these pythons. But that's not nearly enough. We need the general public involved. we have a lot of people wanting to help and inside the national park even a state contractor is not allowed to get off the road in any sort of vehicle airboat anything and that's the only way you can get around the everglades is 1.5 million acres of impenetrable swamp.

You know, half of it's underwater, sawgrass that'll slice you open, twice as tall as you, and too thick to even get through. So you would need an airboat, you would need guess you would say, when it became a national park. So we had python sightings in the Everglades in the 60s. They were seeing these snakes. And nothing was done. What was actually done was the Florida Gladesmen, who historically lived and survived off the Everglades and was a keeper of the Everglades, was kicked out of the Everglades when it was made a national park. It's another thing. It's a rabbit hole I don't necessarily want to go down to. How many of those guys were kicked out? Hundreds, maybe thousands.'s hard hard to say all the folks that were living in there yeah so they actually had camps out there uh they built camps and they'd live out there some would go out

there recreation a lot of them would live out there make their living out there gator hunters commercial fishers um moonshiners drug smugglers all kind of stuff and you know a lot of these camps was actually especially when you're getting more into the pythons starting to take over when they were really trying to get everyone out which that's not the reason they were trying to get everyone out was because of the pythons it was because they were trying to turn it into national park and they felt like these people shouldn't be in there they were burning down camps and there's actually stories of burning down camps with gladesmen inside and all kind of shady stuff going on um you know that's maybe a topic for another time but how long did it take to move these people out of the forest so the national park

i believe was started in like 47 it was actually up finalized in sometime in the 60s maybe the late 60s and then um from there i want to say the whole exodus kicking everybody out probably 20 years or so um 15 20 years and it's still kind of a a raw spot for a lot of us um a lot of us don't like the park service because of everything that happened and uh you know we we feel that the everglades should be uh you know open to the people to enjoy it and um you know, enjoy it in the right way, of course. But we really seen that when the gladesmen, the eyes of the ears and the keepers of the Everglades was removed from the Everglades and our access was limited, the pythons took over. The water quality went down. We're seeing fracking in our Everglades.

We're seeing oil drilling, all kind of stuff that, you know, we feel the Everglades should be represented and preserved in a better way. Do you think that that was one of the reasons why they wanted to get everybody out so they could extract the resources? I think there was definitely some um you know ulterior motives for sure uh i work closely with a lot of these state departments you know so i'm not trying to ruffle too many feathers but but yeah they're you know there's there's definitely some shady stuff going on in the everglades why why are we not allowed to enjoy our Everglades, but we're allowed to take from her natural resources and diminish her? The government is. And not manage the invasive species. And not manage the invasive species properly and not manage the water properly. Our Everglades is

dying, is dying because of their water quality issues. What is the source of the water water quality issues and our state is the source of the water quality issues um it's a very complicated issue um and it's not one that i'm extremely um versed on i would say i mean i definitely know about it but you know i don't want to say the wrong things uh overpopulation too many people move into florida pollution based is that pollution based uh agricultural based um and the core of it is not allowing the water to flow south how it needs to naturally so the everglades is the greatest filter in the entire world it's a natural wonder of the world. It really is. And right now, we are not using it the way we should.

There are steps being taken to send water south and to start to restore some of this natural flow. But the problem is, if we restored the natural flow to where it was, Palm Beach all the way down to miami returns as a swampland oh all of the sugar cane which is huge money at the south of lake okachobee

is swamp and is is no longer um being able to use for sugar cane and we see a lot of that you know um make the decisions in what happens with our everglades and conservation is it's a lot of corruption a lot of uh money driven rather than we need to set aside this piece of land have it uh gather water water, send it south to be filtered through our Everglades and provide water to where it's dry, clean, healthy water, and then it can be filtered out through the Bay of Florida. We're seeing more where that land's being kept for agriculture or something else or where a project gets started and then it's lobbied and nothing gets done. We're seeing a lot of just promises not being made as well.

So have they dammed the flow of this water? Yep. So there's a series of levees and locks that control the water in South Florida. It's controlled by South Florida water management. And, you know, they started managing the water a hundred years ago or more, I believe, maybe even much further than that. And that's really where we went wrong is we should have learned to kind of work with the water flow more and not totally shut it off the way we have and totally made it manmade. Which which you know like i said they're trying to reverse some of that um they just built a a new lock that's going to help send some of the

water south through uh tam ammy trail in 41 but it's just not enough uh we need more water to be filtered and cleaned and less of it to be dumped out into the estuaries on the east and west coast. This water will remain stagnant, and it'll build blue-green algae, which is actually a bacteria. And this bacteria produces toxins. I believe it sucks up all the oxygen in the water. And I don't know if you've seen these fish kills we've had on the east and west coast but that's exactly what it's from is our water management so it's not just the everglades but it's the east and west coast and that's because they're taking the water that needs to be sent south cleaned and filtered and they're sending it out into these estuaries where it

kills everything and it's you know they're they're protecting which you know i'm not blaming u.s sugar by any means um u.s sugar does a lot to actually help florida conservation but it's just kind of a situation we've got ourselves in where there's not a great solution besides you know really taking away a lot of this money and um uh our estuaries are just suffering for it our everglades is suffering for it have they done anything to try to figure out how to mitigate whatever pollutants are getting into the water or they tried to figure out some sort of a solution um i'm sure i'm sure i don't know if it's gained any traction because right now we're having algae blooms as we speak on Lake Okeechobee in different areas. And no, I don't know of any solution to really combat that algae bloom.

And especially once they have it, you know, the water levels get so high they have to flow it out. Is there a way to do this without flooding Miami? I'm sure there is. I'm sure there is. But to get it in a way where everyone's happy and on board with it and there's the money to do it is another thing. So how did Miami get built? Was Miami originally swamp and they just filled it in? Yep. The canal systems were able to redirect the water. And, you know, I'm sure they, which, you know, I don't know exactly how Miami was built, but I'm sure, yeah, they built up on the limestone on the swamp. It's essentially limestone bottom down there. And then they divert the water with these canal systems.

And they're able to, you know, send it in areas that's not Miami or send it through the canals through Miami out into the intercoastal and things along those lines. And they have a series of locks and gates that help control all this. It's very complicated. And, you know, I wish I knew more. But if the natural flow of water would happen, if they just removed all the levees and just let everything flow all the way down, it would flood Miami. Yeah. Yeah. It would flood all through it, which, you know, who knows? They've maybe if you could take away everything they did, all the ground being built up and everything.

Yes, it would. It would be a swamp. Wow. Yeah. It's kind of crazy when someone sets out to do something to make it habitable for people and doesn't take into consideration that this is just this immense ecosystem you'll get a kick out of this so in in an effort to dry up the everglades while they were doing this they wanted to dry the everglades up they actually from airplane release released melaleuca seeds over the everglades because melaleuca sucks up water so now they pay contractors to go out and remove the melaleuca from the everglades because it's sucking up all

the water oh boy it's that's crazy there's so many instances in human history of people putting in a species to try to mitigate another species and having that species run amok. Like the Australia situation with the wild cats. Yeah. It's insane. It is. Well, they have feral cats everywhere in Australia. They've decimated ground nesting birds and they kill everything.

Everything. Everything. We see it in Florida. We see it in Florida. We have feral cats like crazy and they're killing everything. We saw the numbers. We read the numbers out one day on the podcast about how many animals get killed every year just in the U.S. by feral cats. And it's in the billions.

Mind-blowing. It's so crazy. There's such little murderers. I think they've said like 15 to 20 different species are attributed to them being extinct. Yes. Because of the cats. It's crazy. Yeah, it is.

So the Florida situation as it stands, what are the official efforts to mitigate the python population? So. What do you think they could do? Could they just open it up to people? So, in a perfect world, if you were the king of Florida, and they said, hey man, Python cowboy, tell us what to do.

And you're like, this is what we're going to do. You're going to open this up to vehicles and put a bounty on these things. Yep. Not necessarily. No? No, Not necessarily. No? No, not necessarily. So that can be a little bit risky. You know, we've seen not so much in these past Python challenges.

These past Python challenges, the tournaments we have in Florida where the general public goes out there and competes for money catching Pythons, they've been great. They've been super successful. We're not seeing much bad come from them but in maybe you know six or seven years ago maybe six years ago i think it was when they first came out with these competitions and there wasn't any education behind it it was it was a free-for-all you had a bunch of rednecks riding around in trucks with shotguns and AR-15s shooting every snake that moved, leaving trash out there. And it was just a terrible thing.

Barely any pythons were caught or removed. And it just was not beneficial. out between the news, social media, TV shows, you know, the state programs, we see a different kind of snake hunter out there. We see people that are trying to help, trying to do things the right way. They care about the ecosystem. They don't want to leave behind trash. And, you know, that is very encouraging for me to say something more like, yeah, let's have a public bounty system where the general public can get out there and do what they need to do. But in order for that to be successful, we do need more access. If they want to protect the national park and all that, that's fine. national park and all that that's fine okay let's still allow people to remove invasive species when they come across them whether they're state contractor or just some average joe but we will

have penalties in place for anybody harming a native snake in the national park where then people will be careful not to get in trouble and do something illegal. Outside the national park. Which you know we have all kind of Francis S. Taylor. Rocky Glades. Frog Pond. All these different areas. Area 3, 2, 1. That have pythons in them.

And that we should allow more access. More airboat access. More buggy access year round. And show people. How valuable these snakes are the skin is extremely valuable um it makes beautiful leather there's people lining up to buy this leather um i fund my entire python operation off this leather i've actually quit i resigned from the state i hunted i was one of the first state python hunter hunted for them for maybe about five years uh this past two years i decided to resign from the state because i'm not allowed to use a dog if i'm hunting for the state

which is you know a little funny that sounds crazy yep so um you know my thing is showing people that i'm funding my entire entire operation off these snake skins you can possibly make a living off these snake skins definitely make some side money and you're going to begin out there helping the everglades if they were to add a bounty on top of that, I think in the very beginning, you might see a little bit of what we used to see where you just have people out there for the wrong reasons, you know, trying to just get a picture with a snake or whatever. But I think they're going to quickly see how hard it is. They're not just catching snakes like they thought they were. And all those weekend warriors, all those people, they're going to die off.

And you're going to be left with the general public that really does want to help. They're going to be good at it. And that's the only way we're going to get that under control. You know, it's going to have to be a delicate process to get there, I feel like. You know, maybe everyone has to sign up for a license.

And then for that license, they go through some kind of training course like we do already for the Python challenges. And to me, that is the way to go. We need more than just these state contractors who, to me, they're all hunting the same spots. They all hunt the public highways or these couple of levees that produce pythons. And they're just driving the road all night up and down. And we need to get out in the swamp to get where they're nesting, where they're breeding, and where they're eating our native wildlife. And we're just not doing that like we should be. that's why i've been putting so much into this python

team i've been putting together specifically to use dogs to help us find these snakes and just this nesting season alone i've completely proven that I think, eight nests now, which to give you an idea, before this python season, there was like a handful of nests ever found in the state. It's a very rare thing. Very, very rare. Before I used a dog, I found one nest. That that's it i don't know of any other person in the state of florida that has found more than one nest so for this last two months alone i'm finding that many nest i'm finding um underground pythons we never really understood how much they nest underground that we have this season with my dog finding these uh snakes actually underground and um you know that's where a lot of them are going to nest almost every snake i found in a hole finding an underground yeah i i took out um seek one productions they're like a uh a hunting media company oh this is crazy you're actually digging into the ground and and my oh shit my dog auto alerted me to this hole and he let me know that

there is a python in this hole and uh to be sure i took my little camera stuck it down in there and sure enough i could see a python in the very back of the hole how do you train your dog to find pythons? You know, there's definitely training that goes into it, but it is natural ability. These dogs are extremely talented. Not every dog will be a snake dog, especially, you know, I have 20 or more hunting dogs right now. I use them all to help me with invasive species and different things like that. Only a few of them will find me a snake. Dogs in their instincts generally don't like snakes. They want to stay away from snakes.

A lot of the dogs I found, the snake's like invisible. It'll be stepping on it like it ain't even there. But a few of my dogs, I don't know what it is. They're really, really good at it really good at it and so just completely natural that they gravitate it is um we train all of our dogs don't don't get me wrong but we mainly the training was for other stuff ahead of time and i'm just transferring it over into snakes these dogs i work with them every especially my dog auto who's really getting the snakes for me now this dog's with with me every day. Like we, we are. What kind of dog is Otto? He's a German wire

hair pointer. He's adorable. He looks so happy. No, he loves it. He loves it. I always say when I die, I want to come back as Otto because he is the happiest fricking thing in the world. And so Otto's the best one that you've ever had for snakes. He is my best Python dog. He's got a snake in his mouth. He's my, uh, he's got a snake he's my uh he's my phenomenal python dog my phenomenal iguana dog and i mean he'll do everything else as well there's there's nothing that dog cannot do so when you find those eggs do you destroy them yeah so what i actually do is all oh they normally don't make it that easy that iguana was sleeping i don't know what it was doing but um yeah so i'll freeze the eggs which kills them and then i preserve them and donate them sell some as

educational displays for schools um research stuff like that because it is they're they're a dinosaur egg they're huge twice as big as an alligator egg. And how many eggs will a female python produce normally? So on average, what I've been finding this last season, which has really kind of given us a lot more data, your average size snake is going to lay 20 to about 60 eggs. And what is their primary food source out there now that they've kind of decimated most of the wildlife? But I would like to add that they're capable of a hundred eggs or more. Oh, wow. A really big one? Oh yeah. A 16 footer, a 17, 18 footer, they get that big, excuse me, so they can lay large clutch of nest or large clutch of eggs. I'm sorry.

can lay large clutch of nest or large clutch of eggs i'm sorry wow um we just found a nest this season uh underground as well it was an underground 16 footer and she was on a nest of 70 active eggs and especially on them yeah it's it's crazy well it shows what we're up against too you know it's um it can get discouraging it can be snake gives birth to 70 snakes yeah but there is a light at the end of the tunnel and i'll i'll kind of get to that um so you know especially an underground nest like that almost all of those are going to survive uh when they're when they're hatched they're already two foot long which is, which is about the size of most of our adult native snakes. So they're getting preyed on maybe for that first month. And then after that, they're not much as messing with them. And they grow very, very quick.

It's mostly birds prey on them? Yep. Birds, owls, stuff like that. Sometimes alligators a little bit, but pythons are eating alligators more than alligators are eating pythons. So what is their primary food source now? Right now, rats, Everglades rats. There's a lot of rats out there and alligators, I would say. They've wiped out most of all the other mammals. And, you know, they're working on our wading birds for sure. But I've been seeing them eat a lot of alligators. So that's probably their primary food source.

Yeah. Wow. Which honestly, you know, this, this may sound bad. I'd rather them be eating the alligators than anything else. We got plenty of them. They're not going to wipe out the alligators by any mean. Right. Um, but they, they will wipe out everything else.

We're 99 or 90 to 99% of our small fur bearing game in in the everglades has been wiped out by pythons and that that is real that is real but so deer like if you want a deer hunt this is this is small fur bearing man so this is like raccoons marsh rabbits raccoons otters things along those lines um our our deer are wiped out as well our deer populations are in a fraction of what they used to be and that's because of large pythons our water management and panthers for sure um so you know everything's really kind of struggling what about black bears oh yeah we got black bear down there um the black bear i don't know you know i don't think they're getting affected by too much other than the water um you know water is a primary concern

of yours yeah absolutely that's the big one absolutely and a lot of it's agriculture a lot of it's fertilizer pesticides yeah we have very high mercury levels in our water. That's why actually a python over 10 foot in length really shouldn't be eating. Its mercury contents will be dangerous high. And that's the same- Shouldn't be eating. People are eating pythons? You can. I wouldn't say people are down there having it for dinner every night.

I've eaten it a number of times. Yeah? What is it like? Very chewy. Very, very chewy. I'm no chef by any means. I think if you knew what you were doing and you were able to get it really tender and nice, it wouldn't be too bad. Like sous vide or something? Yeah. Yeah. The flavors, the flavor's not bad at all. It's nice meat um it's you're kind of eating it off the the ribs like fish kind of almost but um it's not bad at all the iguana is delicious yeah i've heard iguana

is very good i've seen a lot of people uh kill them and cook them on youtube they cook like some stir fry or what do you how do you cook iguanas again it's not something like hey darling i got some iguanas fried up for dinner you know it's uh i'm feeding most of it to my livestock and then making leather products from the skin but um i've barbecued it i've um uh kind of pan fried it in some general sews and pineapple and that was actually really good. I got a big male that had these huge cheeks. In the cheeks, there's a nice medallion of meat. That's how I fried that up. It was good.

Does that taste similar to anything? It's almost like a dark meat frog leg. Which sounds maybe a little gross, but it's not bad. Frogs are pretty good. Yeah.'s not bad. Frogs are pretty good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Frogs are delicious. Yeah.

It's just people have to get past the fact that it's a frog. Yeah. Same thing with python and iguana. Yeah. So is that a common thing where people hunt and eat iguanas now in Florida? Not so much to hunt them, to eat them. I think that's more just like a YouTube thing. Right.

People love that stuff. It's more so you have people hunting them because it's fun it is it's it's a really fun thing to do i do guided hunts for it and i do guided hunts for just about everything in florida and i always say i've never seen people have so much fun as i do on these iguana hunts i mean you're just you may shoot at 100 iguanas in the day, you know, and watch my dog go in and catch it, bring it back. And are you using air guns? Yeah, we're using, um, really high end semi-automatic air rifles, uh, 25 and 30 caliber. This is actually out on a golf course. The size of these suckers. And, uh, yeah, that's a big breeder. That's,

that's what I'm looking for when I'm out there. You know, I'm removing any iguanas I see, but those are the big problem. Those big breeders, they usually have a harem of like five or six females. And little fun fact, they have two peckers. So they're out there slanging it. You know what I mean? And they're everywhere. Yeah, they're everywhere. They are everywhere. And is there a limit? Like if you're after invasive species, are you allowed to shoot as many as you find? Yeah. Yeah, it is.

I don't want to make it seem like, you know, the iguana thing is just a free for all in Florida. The iguanas, they're in these real residential areas, you know, urban settings where you just can't really walk around and shoot stuff in people's backyards. You're trespassing. People are calling the cops on you. I'm permitted and licensed to do this in the various areas I do. Someone will hire me, bring me in. And, you know, definitely for people to go out and do this on their own, they need to be careful. They need to make sure they're in a public area where they're allowed to do that. Your dog just jumped in the water and caught a swimmer.

Yep. That's amazing. Yeah, he'll dive down, pick them up off the bottom and jump them, grab them out of trees. It's crazy that this one dog is just so good at reptiles and snakes. We have a number of them backing them up now. They're not quite as good as him, but they are good. Do they learn from him? Yeah, yeah.

I usually have him mentor them a little bit, take them out, see how they do it or see how he does it, and they'll pick it up. Him, though, he's just had so much experience. I've had him since six months old out on golf courses helping me, and he's just got it down. So you can see here he knows to re-grip because the tails break off yeah and uh here he watches he drops it trying to show off for the clients and he is very upset but now old dad's got his back there wow yeah what was it hurting his mouth like his part no he was just

shaking it around and excited and and yeah wiggled out of his mouth a lot of times when he catches them especially after he gives them a kind of little bit of a thrashing they just they just give up and i think he was kind of thinking this one was a little gay, gave up and was being silly with it. So he ain't supposed to do that. That's not, not good. He's supposed to keep hold of it until it gets back to me. Yeah. Um, when, when you're out there, like on a typical day, how many iguanas are you seeing? Depends on where I am. Depends on if this is my first time removing iguanas on this golf course. I have communities and golf courses and city parks that I've been managing for the past couple years. And I may go, me or send one of my guys, and, you know, we may only get 15 to 20 that day. Or I may go to a brand new one that's like jurassic park and i get over 100 really oh

yeah like jurassic park like jurassic park six footers fucking really what's the biggest one you've ever seen um biggest one i've ever seen shot them uh six and a half foot maybe a little more i don't think the problem is I don't measure or weigh them all. Pythons I do, but the iguanas I just don't. What's the biggest iguana ever? Six and a half foot, basically. I've never heard of one bigger. 20 pounds, essentially.

That's as long as this table, almost. Tip to tip, almost. A little short. Almost. That's insane for an iguana. What does that weigh? It looks like it weighs about 50 pounds pounds but they're 20 pounds that big about 20 pounds 15 to 20 pounds 20 pounds is monsters for an iguana is there any video that we could see of like a jurassic park type situation do you have

any videos of them like all over a golf course um there's there's definitely some on youtube i i think one in particular where it's like a hundred of them running from this guy just walking playing golf um generally when i see that i'm i'm blasting so i'm not really taking too much video so yours is semi-automatic you can fire off multiple shots yeah semi-automatic i got eight shots and i keep spare magazines on me and swap them out real quick. Yeah. And a lot of times, too, when I get into a place where I know it's covered with them and a lot of times they'll close down the area for the day for me. I'll bring in my guys and we're all, you know, geared up.

We all got guns. We got a couple of dogs and we're just annihilating them. You know, all day we'll just come in and wipe them out. What's the most you've ever shot a day? Close to 200. Close to 200. That's so crazy. Just iguanas, and then on top of that, we'll have different invasives. We'll get cane toads while we're there, Muscovy dogs, Egyptian geese.

Sometimes pigeons will become a big problem. They're also invasive. They'll have us remove them. And, you know, it kind of becomes a little bit of a cleanup. This is a big boy. Boy, yeah. Yep. So is there any video, Jamie, of a bunch of invasive pythons on a golf course?

Just Google python infestation golf course yeah there's one video in particular where i was blown away i was like oh i gotta get out there now do they pay you per python do you how do they how does that work uh for the iguanas or i mean for iguanas um yeah it kind of depends on on how i there is no state bounty for iguanas? Yeah, it kind of depends on how I, there is no state bounty for iguanas. I want to make that clear. A lot of people think there is, there's not. Should there be? Yeah, that'd be great, but I don't see how that would be possible. I really don't. Because of where iguanas are, and how many iguanas people would be getting, the budget would have to be huge, and you would have a bunch of people just running around the city shooting stuff you would have guys getting shot you would have windows getting shot out you just you need professionals yeah you really do for

iguanas more than anything pythons they're out in the middle of the everglades away from people and you're generally going to be grabbing them or just shooting them point blank. So it's kind of a little bit different. But it all depends on how I work the job. Most jobs, I'll set it up to where it's per iguana. That way they kind of know what they're getting into. And I like to kind of stay motivated in like each one. It's like, you know, so that's generally how I do it. And every place is different.

I may have a place that's, you know, only $10, $15 for an iguana, and I got places that's $100 or more per iguana I get. So, you know, it's all different. That could be a very profitable day if you go ham. It can. It can. Do you find any videos of... It's nothing that's super impressive. I mean, I'm seeing...

Here's tons of red iguanas. Hold on. Is there more than one type of iguana that's invasive down there? So we have the green iguana, which, you know, they do get orange. Those are the big orange ones you see. Those are just big dominant alpha males that turn that orange, kind of like a peacock, you know, sort of thing. But we're also dealing with Mexican spiny-tailed iguanas and

they're not uh quite a bit as big of a problem uh we are seeing them in certain pockets in certain areas uh you know kind of populations booming the main thing about them is yeah look at all that that poop this is crazy and you know when we first start in areas, especially areas where I first start doing guided hunts, it'll look like this. And we clean it up pretty quickly. We're seeing huge results for the iguanas and even the pythons in a lot of the areas that we're focusing. Wow. And these are all just invasive species that are brought over as pets. Yep.

Yep. Well, you know, these specific ones weren't necessarily pets. These were probably wild born. But, you know, their lineage does come from escaped and released pets. Right. Yeah. It's just crazy how much of an impact that can have. It is. And it's kind of cool to see, not necessarily cool, but interesting to see the differences in impacts. The pythons are wiping out our native wildlife. And the iguanas, while they do have impacts on our native wildlife, specifically our burrowing animals like our gopher tortoise, our burrowing owls. And they're both protected and threatened species already. They more so have an impact on our infrastructure. They cost our state millions and millions of dollars every single year

with the burrows they dig, the vegetation they eat. They dig under houses too, right? And they fuck with the structure. Yeah, so they'll dig these burrows to lay nest, and they'll undermine housing foundations sidewalks sea walls and the main concern has been roadways and our levee embankments as i was explaining earlier those levee systems manage our water which is absolutely crucial for the state of florida and the iguanas will degrade the embankments so much where they have to come in and totally rebuild them back up.

To give you an idea, the town of Davie, which is just a small town here in South Florida, last year or the year before, they spent $1.7 million repairing iguana burrows along their levee embankments. That's not roadways, that's not houses, that's not sidewalks, seawalls, just the levee embankments. And you spread that across the whole state, I mean, you could be talking $50 million, maybe more. Dade County, Miami-Dade, has been talking about upping their budget for iguana removal, which I'm planning on putting a bid in for it. Their budget before was just not adequate for what needs to be done. They're now comparing it to the mosquito problem. And the mosquito problem, I believe they spend like $40 million a year on.

So I think their budget in the prior years was like $250,000 for iguanas. And they're quickly seeing that we need to spend millions on these reptiles to get them out. Have you seen this insane research they're doing about injecting mosquitoes with vaccines? Scary shit. Yeah. What the fuck are they doing? Scary shit. Well, they want you to get that damn shot anyway. This is crazy.

This one's crazy. Yeah, that is. Like the idea that you're going to contain those mosquitoes once you release them out in the wild. Yeah, what's going to happen? We've seen how things have gone wrong before. Yeah. How do you not learn from all the stuff we've been talking about earlier today? Invasive species, cats, toads.

The fact that you've got some genetically engineered mosquito and you're releasing it on the human race like holy shit man well well here's something on that too is so they're doing that they've already released them in florida from my understanding they're already out there which mosquitoes the modified ones i don't know about the the not the vaccine not the vaccine but the modified and what are these modified ones. I don't know about the... Not the vaccine ones. Not the vaccine, but the modified ones. And what are these modified ones supposed to be doing? I guess helping with the mosquito population? How so?

I don't know. But I do know, supposedly, and I'm pretty sure this is accurate, we had our first case of malaria in Florida, like, ever. Or for a very, very long time. Texas as well. Texas as well. So, you know, it's a a little same places where they're working on these fucking mosquitoes same places they're working on these fucking mosquitoes yeah i don't know if that's why i'm not saying that's why but i am saying that i am very concerned when human beings are making a decision that can infect affect rather the entire population that lives down there or in the entire

country or anywhere where there's mosquitoes how can you not say these things are going to go everywhere yeah well you know like you said what if it goes bad then what what do you do well this idea that we're supposed to trust these guys they know exactly how everything's going to work out like off yeah yeah what are you doing no yeah just like they knew about coven it's like they know about everything. There's never been one thing they've ever gotten perfectly right. And this is a giant overstep. It just seems like that involves everyone.

That should be something that the public should be educated on before these decisions are made. That people should discuss it. It should be something on the tip of politicians' tongues. Like, hey, what the fuck are we doing? Dude, it's a plot of a horror movie. Yeah, it really is. It should be something on the tip of politicians' tongues. Like, hey, what the fuck are we doing? Dude, it's a plot of a horror movie. Yeah, it really is. It is. There's so many of those going on simultaneously. It's hard to pay attention. We're getting invaded

by aliens. We're about to go to war. Jesus Christ. AI, chat GPT, and sentient AI. It's a crazy time, man. It's a crazy time. It's just, I feel like we are literally on the launching pad. I feel like it has just begun. Absolutely.

I think it's going to get way crazier over the next few years. Yeah, for sure. But when you see just Florida is just, to me, is always such an interesting test case because it's such a wild place. It's always a place that people have kind of gone to get away from everywhere it's the south but it's very different than the rest of the south and then the fact that it's i mean it's got such a crazy history of cocaine in miami and the violence and the organized crime that's all linked to the the exotic pet trade as well it all goes hand in hand yes sir how so so you know the the big thing with all these big drug dealers you know at the time was having these crazy exotic pets tigers fucking

anacondas big snakes all kind of stuff and they you know they ain't the best pet owners right you know what i mean and not to say that the animals released or escaped from them became a problem but it was the whole culture of it everyone wanted to be like these drug dealers so they all wanted these crazy animals too for the wrong reasons and i think that's why it it at least one of the reasons it became so popular down here to have these crazy animals It's a good climate and everything for it too, obviously. But it was just such a big thing. It still is. Florida is unlike any other place. It really is.

It's unlike any other place in the country. Yeah. And the fact that you guys are dealing with all these different invasive species there, it's almost appropriate. Because the state is so crazy.'s just like of course of course that's where it's happening because there's not really another state in the country that has such an issue with other than hogs wild hogs it's so perfect for it too you got the port of miami where stuff from all over the world's coming in through the climate's perfect the the you got the everglades and it's

just everything everything lines up it's the perfect storm when did you first start like camping out in the everglades like um that was when i was at least hunting for pythons or just any time i've been going in the everglades for a while you know growing up as a florida boy we're all kind of you know out there running around catching snakes how many people go missing out there every year uh i don't know i don't know it's not more it's not zero right no i'm sure it ain't zero um i mean i've almost been that person before uh i'm sure there's there's some for sure. Do you think people are getting eaten out there? Maybe if they're doing something they shouldn't be.

What, being out there? No, no. Maybe swimming across a damn canal at night when they ain't supposed to, stuff like that. That's mainly when I see people getting attacked by an alligator. They're generally going to stay away from you. They don't want nothing to do with you. If you come across an alligator that's been getting fed by people, that fucker's dangerous for sure.

Main thing is we have these people that are not- Since 1965, there's only been 175 unsolved cases involving deaths and murders. That's just the bodies. But that's like deaths and murders. I would imagine that would be a good place to drop off a body. That's kind of what I was going to say is it's a very good place to go hide stuff. I've found vehicles that were used in crimes dumped out there. I've found dogs from dog fights that were dumped out there.

I've found animals that have just been dumped. I've found very intricate and mind-blowing satanic rituals and sacrifices out there what oh yeah oh yeah um so i was which i found i found different stuff before you know i'll find maybe so where someone was doing some voodoo some sanaria sacrificed a chicken, whatever. All that's like kind of normal out there. That's not that crazy. But what I found this night was very crazy.

Yeah, the police came and investigated it. It made the news. And that's the facility I was hunting. It's Aerojet. That's the facility I was hunting. It's Aerojet. It's actually an abandoned space rocket facility from the Cold War where they were developing and testing space rockets. And what were you hunting there? Pythons. I was out there, you know, hunting these snakes. And this this facility is is you need special access. I was given special access by the state of Florida to remove pythons from out there and nobody can just go back out there. But people do go out there as you can see from the graffiti and different

stuff like that. Usually to do stuff that they're not supposed to do. There's a lot of crimes committed out there. There've been murders out there, gang initiations, all kinds of stuff. So they have a pentagram. So yeah, it's, it's a whole thing. So we go out there gang initiations all kind of stuff so they have a pentagram that's so yeah it's it's a

whole thing so when you go out there the first thing i came across was a big rock pile with a upside down wooden cross on top and a bunch of red spray painted upside down crosses all over and you could tell the the cross i think was burnt a little bit and it wasn't you know crazy super crazy it was it was like oh this is new you know this wasn't out here a few days ago and then i found this little doll and um as i kind of investigated that doll more a little red scarlet snake actually came up and wrapped around her neck and i picked up this there it is i picked up the scarlet snake and um which you know is kind of weird that there's a live snake a red snake on this doll and i've caught a lot of snakes in my life and that is the only one that was bleeding out of

its anus there was blood coming out of its b-hole which you know i don't know why who knows what it was a little weird to me um and then the night just kind of gets weirder from there you see that the the red lettering in the other clip it was a big latin saying uh like 100 foot long pretty much on the road i drove over it we later translated it to turn around run hide he is watching you go further into the complex and there's these big abandoned buildings i go into the building um you know still just python hunting like you know who knows what these kids are doing out here i thought it was strange the latin your average kid just messing around don't know latin sayings like that and then i come to this big room where there's the big pentagram uh in the middle of the pentagram there is a three-legged plastic chair with a blood stain in the bottom of it where you could

tell something was killed sacrificed whatever on each wall there's three walls on each wall there's upside down crosses latin sayings and all kinds of stuff as i'm kind of walking into the room which you know i don't want to sound like a a psycho or anything but that doll from earlier grabbed my leg i don't know if i kicked it i didn't see it or what but that doll from the rock pile somewhere else i don't know if it's another doll or what i never seen that other doll i kick it it seemed like it grabbed me it's that same doll from earlier same thing with with the cross on its forehead. The one eye cocked over.

The other eye messed up. And so, you know, it's very, very weird to me. Kind of like scared me. It wasn't there and then it was there? I didn't notice it. You didn't carry it over there? No, I didn't touch it. So was anybody else with you?

I had two guys with me that didn't even want to get out of the truck when they seen the first thing they stayed in the truck so the same they didn't touch anything on the rock pile somehow made its way to where you were yep i don't know if it's a duplicate doll or what but it's same more than one of those dolls only doll i seen only doll i seen i'm not big on the whole supernatural thing so me i'm real doubtful of it in the first place but to me it was the same doll from earlier i did not see it until it hit my foot right next to that doll there is a saying on the ground that says the omen will follow which to me was like the creepiest thing of the whole thing was like you you know, that if you interact with any of this, this spirit's going to follow you, which I'm Christian. I believe in God and I wasn't worried.

You know, I know the good Lord has my back, but very strange, right? Very strange. As we go through, there's all kinds of different stuff. In one of the rooms, there's a sleeping bag with something inside of it i don't think it was a body anything like that police went out there investigated it i didn't investigate further past that something was inside the sleeping bag and on the walls there was um looked like red spray paint and it said uh she was only nine we gave her to the devil like basically talking about sacrificing a child and then you have this little girl's gown that's nailed to the

wall with like a dark red stain on it oh jesus yeah and what was the investigation did you follow up and find out what they found out? I never heard anything from it. I'm assuming they never found much from it because I never heard anything from it. Do they know it was human blood that was in the chair? I don't know. I don't know. I would like to think it's red spray paint, but I don't know.

I don't know. For the sake of the story, who knows what it was. So, you know, we continue on with our hunt. We end up starting to get out of there. I don't know. For the sake of the story, who knows what it was. Yeah. So, you know, we continue on with our hunt. We end up starting to get out of there. The guys are like, dude, we want to go. We don't like this shit. I'm like, all right, you know, let's pack it up.

Let's go. So we start making our way out. And I see flashlights. I mean, there's one road in, one road out. There's a gate at the end of it. You can't drive a vehicle in. And I mean, we're miles, miles out here. You have to drive miles to then walk miles, right?

So I see this flashlight bouncing on the side of the road as I'm driving out. And I'm like, who the fuck is this? No, I've never seen anyone out here in my life ever getting closer to him i have my pistol in my truck i put my pistol on my lap you know just in case as i'm getting closer about to kind of pass the guy the guy's like mike it's my name i'm like what the fuck i'm definitely shooting this guy like what the fuck you know and he's like i love your instagram i was like oh shit and he's i'm like dude what are you doing out here he's like oh i seen on your story a couple days you were out here python hunting so i figured i'd come out here and take a look

he was with a buddy and i'm like you know that's awesome you know that's better than devil yeah yeah i'm like good luck to you but i found some crazy shit back there and it is fresh like someone was just back there doing some satanic shit you know be careful look out for yourself i go on my way i talked to him the next day he said five minutes after he left me he heard a bunch of gunshots back there and he fucking roll out left whoa so those people were still there sure shit seems like it holy sure shit seems like it so i do i do a little more investigating in myself it It turns out Aerojet, that facility itself, has this, which I've done a whole YouTube video on it. Definitely check it out.

It's interesting. Has a whole satanic history. The founder of Aerojet, the guy who was working with NASA and the federal government on these space rockets, was a public Satanist, Jack Parson. Whoa. on these space rockets was a public satanist jack parson was a public satanist who supposedly died in some kind of experiment some say a satanic ritual an explosion and um what the fuck man look at this guy oh yeah very public satanist he practiced what was called sex magic and you know you can imagine what that's all about

and so his his wife who he claimed i think it was a second wife i'm not sure what he claimed he conjured her from hell that she was a demon an elemental an elemental from hell her name was marjorie kimmel the same name as my grandmother so this guy's a legit rocket scientist for nasa full-blown satanist public satanist yeah what year was this um 60s 70s cold water and then an aerojet still a still a thing too you know it's i think it's out in texas or i don't know what but bro this is a flat-out horror movie yeah yeah and there dude that rabbit hole goes way deeper way deeper the occult history behind nasa's jet propulsion laboratory wow so you know that spot is is jamie will you send me

that please significant for satanic rituals and and that happened during the Easter moon, which is also, I found out, I didn't know this before, high activity for satanic rituals for whatever reason. They think that they're... It's a better time to link, or I don't know what, but...

Oh, God. Yeah, it wasn't just some, you know, oh, we're laughing about it. It was like a real deal. They were trying to do something out there. You know what's really fucking terrifying? People dismiss the idea of demons. They dismiss it completely.

But you have to believe in God. Like if you tell people that you saw the devil, they're like, oh, crap. Mike saw the devil. Fuck out of here, Mike. We ain't drinking. What are we doing, Mike? You've been a swamp too long, son. Licking toads, Mike. Yeah, what are you drinking? What are we doing, Mike? You've been a swamp too long. Licking toads, Mike.

Yeah, what the fuck are you up to? But if you tell them that God spoke to you, people will listen. If Satan is real or if demons are real, if they really are a real thing and these occultists really can summon them, do you know how fucking terrifying that would be dude just to find out that's real but isn't that like the old saying the greatest oh yeah thing to say that satan's ever done yeah that's it that's it and and i look at the world we're in right now joe and everything going on and to me it's hard to believe that there ain't something meddling or something you know i mean it's just something pulling that there ain't something meddling or something. You know what I mean?

It's just. Something pulling on the strings. There's some dark energy right now. Of human behavior, right? Yeah. Like, what would cause someone to want to embrace Satanism? What would cause someone to even. Let's just pretend that that was just fake and they had a doll.

And they spray painted everything. Like, what the fuck are you doing? And you're way, way, way deep. To go way out there. Dude, that's such a commitment. That's like... And the fact that there's a deep history of Satan. To bring all that stuff out there.

Yeah. It's crazy. And the scary thing is you know that there are people that sacrifice people. That's happened. That's a real thing. Whether or not it's happening right now, it's just cognitive dissonance that's happening right now it's just cognitive dissonance it keeps you from believing it's possible a buddy of mine uh came across a little

bit of that when he was hunting the amazon oh no oh yeah it was a big religious sacrifice and uh right in the same area of the amazon he was in um i want to say like the day after he left i want to say it was the day after he left or i want to say it was while he was there something crazy i don't want to ruin the story but um he was in the amazon hunting and he got word that in one of the villages close by, there was like 60 people slaughtered. A huge religious sacrifice. It was something to do with religion. And, you know, it just shows like, holy shit, you're in another world there.

Wild. Yeah. Yeah, that's some terrifying shit, man. I had Paul Rosalie on the podcast who spends a lot of time in the Amazon protecting the natural ecosystem. And he said he had encountered some natives at one point in time. And he looked around a tree and he saw a guy with a bow with face paint on. He's like, oh, my God. Like an uncontacted tribe or something? Exactly.

Just got out of there in time. Yeah, that's sketchy. Yeah. That's sketchy. Yeah. It's a lot sketchier than that. He knew quite a few people that had been killed out there, too. Oh, yeah.

I believe it. I believe it. Even one guy, he was explaining this one guy who had developed a relationship with them. Like he would push like a raft towards them with supplies, kept giving them things. And eventually was able to get close to them. And one day they found them with six arrows in them. They decided no more. They decided, yeah, you know, fuck you, man. I mean, how many negative encounters have they had with loggers and miners?

Yeah, well, that's it. They have a reason to. They're probably fearful. They don't want to change their way of life. And to us, we're. Well, they probably don't even know what that means. You know, they just probably, I mean, these are completely uncontacted people. They just see enemy and they know that they've killed people before.

Yeah. I mean, there's been so many slaughters and murders of indigenous people when they were trying to take over areas for mining and for slashing. And stories get passed around between them. Yeah. I see people on a raft with supplies dressed weird. Kill them.

Oh, kill them. Yeah. Kill them all. Yeah. It's crazy. It is crazy. Yeah. You know,

that's kind of their version of the Everglades, right? But even more crazy. Yeah, and you're in their territory. Yeah. Nobody's coming to help you. No.

Nobody's coming to save you out there. Hell no. Yeah. I mean, it's infinitely bigger than the Everglades. Oh, yeah. For sure. Well, the Everglades has always been... What was that movie?

There was a movie called Southern Comfort. Did you ever see that movie? I don't think so. It's a great movie about these army reservists who are doing some sort of a thing down the Everglades. And I think one guy gets in an altercation with one of the swamp people. A gladesman? Yes. Okay.

One of the people that live. I don't think it's the glades. I think it's some other swamp. I forget where it's supposed to be taking place, but it's a fucking great movie. I want to say it's like 79 or 80 or something like that. What year was this? Does it say, Jeremy? 81.

Yeah. Louisiana Bayou. That's it. I got you. It's a great movie, though, man. These guys are fucked. Yeah, you get going against someone that knows their home range is better than you.

You're in trouble. Yeah, they start getting hunted. It's pretty crazy. Fun movie. get going against someone that knows their home range is better than you you're in trouble yeah they start getting hunted and it's pretty crazy fun movie and but it also like delves into the culture of the people that live there and you go to see their where they live in their homes and it's like wow this is like yes sir it's a completely different world absolutely completely different world yeah and those people have been living like that for a long time. Yeah. And there's a lot of culture behind it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Malcolm Gladwell wrote about people that live in the Appalachias and some of the insane violence that took place

there. And he said, there's a direct connection between the type of people that moved there because they were herders and herders unlike farmers had to protect their animals and so when someone would come they could just steal all your animals the middle of the night so they were always on guard and you know fiercely ready because that was like literally all of your food oh yeah all livelihood yes everything that keeps you alive so they were always protecting against thieves and there was was like a culture, an honor culture behind that. And so when they, the same folks moved to the Everglades, they carried that over there with them. That's why it's like seeped in violence.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you know, there is. There's a whole deep history to the Everglades and the Gladesmen. And that's another big thing that I, that's important to me. I'm on the board of directors for the history of the Florida Gladesmen nonprofit. And we go around the state to airboat shows, buggy shows, parades, all kinds of different stuff. And we have a mobile museum, which we bring with all kinds of old Everglades artifacts and pictures and showing how, you know, the Gladesman has kind of gone from a bit of an outlaw, you know, gator, hunter, fisher,

to now it's stewards of the land to a protector of the Everglades. And, you know, really kind of trying to convey that message that, you know, we need those eyes and the ears out there to, to keep protecting and, uh, preserve that culture. Is there a good documentary on that culture? Yes. Yeah. There's, there's a few of them. Um, I think you got, uh, Gladesman, uh, Sawgrass Cowboys or something like that. Uh, there, there's a, there's a few of them. Yes. But like you recommend those two? Yes, yes, absolutely. Is that available everywhere?

Yeah, yeah. I think you can buy it. You can stream it. There it is, Gladesman. Yep, that's a good one. Give me some Vine, Jamie. Let me hear this. Hear this trailer.

A lot of people ask me, you know, what's it like being on an airboat, driving an airboat? I say, well, have you ever ridden a motorcycle? They go, yeah. I say, have you ever got out on one of those real isolated roads where there's nothing but you and the two green lines on either side of the road? They said, yeah. So I add a couple more cylinders and take the green lines on either side of the road? They said yeah, so add a couple more cylinders and take the green lines away. That's the closest thing to flying you can get and not leave Earth.

We actually run these airboats to stick these frogs. You see a pair of eyes, you go towards him, try to stick him and pirouette around him, go on to the next one. The slower you go, the more you see. I put it in the bucket and hopefully we'll get to eat them. I feel like I'm a keeper of the Everglades. It's my heart and soul. I've just been coming here all my life and being able to venture out and see everything. So when they take all this away,

when all of us are gone, then nobody's going to be able to take the next generation out to see what we see so this is official say airboats harm the fragile ecosystem with their spending billions of dollars to protect the gladesmen have airboats harm the fragile ecosystem with their spending billions of dollars to protect. For the gladesmen who have airboated here for generations, the ban constitutes a war on their way of life. And that's very frustrating for us because we see every year with the way they manage the water, how they flood and dry up. It kills all the vegetation anyway. So, you know, it's the reasoning behind it doesn't make much sense.

And especially the airboats, we're laying grass down. We're not tearing it up, rooting it up. It lays down. It returns. So it's unfortunate. But it is. It's a war on our way of life. And what's behind it?

Like who is behind doing this? Federal government. And have they had debates on this or any sort of a conversation where it can be explained to them the benefit of allowing people to continue to do that? Yeah, you know, I know there has been. But you have this such outcry from, you know, the gladesman, the average gladesman is a blue collar guy. He works every day. You know, the gladesman, the average gladesman is a blue collar guy. He works every day.

They're the kind of guys that don't go to a lot of these meetings. And it's unfortunate. And that's a problem with us. You know what I mean? Not making excuses by any means. And we also see that with hunters. They don't show up to these meetings like the, forgive my language, tree huggers do. For the people that are against it.

You get all these Karens in there that don't know a thing. I've been to the meetings myself and we had one lady get up on there and her argument against allowing access was, what are the caterpillars going to do? And like, I thought she's joking, but she's dead serious. She was worried that the caterpillars were going to suffer and the butterflies would suffer. And it's just, it's based on nothing. It doesn't make any sense. Uh, there's caterpillars are fine. The airboats don't hurt the caterpillars. I mean, they might knock it off a tree or something, but you know, we're not, we're not out there killing caterpillars with airboats. So you get a lot of that. You get this, this one side of the room that's against it because they don't really know why. And then you get us on the other side of the room where it's a few guys that

know what we're talking about, but we're just the minority in a lot of these situations. but we're just the minority in a lot of these situations. Um, and also too, it's, it only does so good, you know, um, at the end of the day, decisions are made and we're not the ones making the decisions. That seems like such a bummer because those people are so interesting. It's, and we fight, we do fight for it. You know, that's why we have, we do our best to work with the state. We work with FWC where we have these youth hunts where we can take youth hunters out, show them how to hunt alligators, show them how to harvest, make use of the alligators, and do all that kind of stuff. All of it outside the national park. None of it is allowed in the national park, which is essentially the jewel of the Everglades the best part of it and um you know so so we do what we can this this is fairly recent that this no the national park was turned into national park in the 60s like you were saying earlier but

it's been a battle since then yeah and they're constantly taking away access uh every year it seems they're trying to take more access away and especially now with 1,200 people move in a thousand people move in a Florida a day everything's getting developed and bought up and you have more corruption where areas that weren't supposed to develop are now starting to get developed and it's a sad thing you know we've seen the Everglades go from 3 million acres to now we're down to 1.5 million acres. And how long? I don't know. I don't know that exact number.

Historically, the Everglades was 3 million acres. I don't know what year they're basing that change off of. Probably within the last 100 years. Wow. It's such a sad story. It's such a sad story of, you know, the consequences of human civilization and that you're getting to see it. You're getting to see it all. When you were a kid, do you remember a difference in the population of wildlife?

Do you remember before the pythons decimated everything? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. When did the big change? When did it start to happen? I think we've really started to notice it this past 10 to 20 years, maybe. And you think that's just when all these populations that they dumped in there or however it got in there? I think it's happened under our nose. I think it's happened under our nose where the population's just so out of control now where we're seeing all the roadkill. We're seeing all the wildlife has been decimated. And that takes a while to notice. It's not like we're out there. There's any really good way to count these animals. This is based solely off of sightings. solely off of sightings so it's like you know after a couple years or a year or two people are starting to realize i haven't seen a raccoon in months or i haven't seen a raccoon in a year

and that ain't right there's something wrong there and i think that's when everyone started to realize like hey all of our native wildlife's gone we're running over all these snakes roadkill on the road you know there's a big problem here and when you start to look more into it then you start finding the snakes everywhere i talk to guys all the time out there while i'm in the everglades snake hunting and you know when i first started python hunting i would always get the same thing from the fishermen out there oh it's a hoax there ain't no pythons out here i kind of thought the same thing too if you're not looking for these snakes you're not finding them you're not finding them you're just an average person you'll you'll go right past it you'll go right past it most of the time they're moving at night they're nocturnal

and people just ain't out there at night and if they are they're not they're moving at night they're nocturnal and people just ain't out there at night and if they are they're not they're not looking and they don't have lights and do they all burrow underground no no no no um most don't burrow underground they don't burrow they don't dig they take over existing burrows to lay nest during nesting season that another animal leaves behind um either another animal or erosion uh those islands are all limestone rocks stacked on each other so they'll erode away little caverns and holes and then they'll get into them and use them um but um you know they're they're very good at hiding you know if you think about a snake it can kind of make any shape it wants it's just a long tube i've seen 16 footers hiding eight inches of grass right in

front of me where if i didn't step on it or know it was there i would have never seen it when when the conservancy of southwest florida gps radio tags these pythons with a tracker i'm sure you've seen it and they release them back into the wild to gain data and to go during breeding season and hope to find breeding balls. Even though they're tracking this snake and know exactly where it is, a lot of times

they don't find it until they step on it. Because it's just so hidden. Between their camouflage and just their shape of their body and where they are they're very good at, at their cryptic predators. So there's really no way to do anything other than control the population at this point and sort of control it. Sort of. We're never going to get rid of them.

We do need to manage them and we need to use new and old technologies to do that. And what I mean by that is I've been a part of taking out researchers and developing new types of cameras that can actually spot pythons and how they do that is not with thermal because pythons are cold blood they do that with um and forgive me um some dude from the swamp i think think they read reflective properties off of snakes or the way light reflects off of different things. A python and its skin is basically the most reflective and shiny thing out there besides water.

So if we use that camera with a drone and with software that we're already using in Africa to combat poaching and different things like that, we could fly that drone up at the start of a levee or out in the Everglades, fly it out, fly it around, and it would be able to show where it sees a piece of a python, mark it, and tell me, the hunter, where there's snakes and if this area is worth me spending time here tonight because you know there's pythons all over the everglades but essentially especially without a dog you're looking for you're looking for yeah exactly oh they kind of glow yeah and it almost looks like thermal but but it's it's not reading heat and the the camera i helped test was actually a thermal camera that mid production, they slip a different lens in it. And I guess that what is what allows

it to, to read that. Oh, that's fascinating. But I think that would be a big game changer, especially for people not using dogs. Um, but from what I've seen that the dogs is, is what we need to be putting all of our money into what we need to be putting our time into. Um, I got a few dogs now that are finding snakes almost every time we go out and for Python hunting, finding a Python almost every time you go out is like unheard of. It's like the Holy grail. You could go out there for a week and maybe find one. You might find a dozen in a night, but it's just so hit or miss it's so hard to predict and they're just very hard to find you're essentially looking for them when

they expose themselves out in the open but with the dog you don't have to wait for that you can find them where they're at and so was the pushback uh the dogs, is that animal rights people, the thing it's cruel to use dogs? They're scared about animal rights people. Also, to the python programs where they have a team of trained dog handlers trained dogs and they go out into the everglades state funded and they they find these pythons full-time that's all they do which a big thing for me has been trying to get the state to support what i go what i've got going on i already have that operation i've already built it this past two years we're successfully going out there removing those snakes but I've seen how working with the state has gone before I would love to get their their kind of nod where they allow me

different access and permissions but you know a private private funding right now looks even more attractive to me. We have a couple people that have reached out wanting to help. And, you know, the dogs in the Everglades is going to be the game changer. It really is. What kind of a ramp up in people like yourself, like how many more would you need to get a handle on this? A lot. A lot. We need, get a handle on this? A lot. A lot. Like I said, we need the general—

So you're basically not doing anything to stop the population right now. No, yeah, we are. In the areas we're focusing, yeah, we're definitely seeing results. We're seeing native wildlife increase. We're seeing less pythons. And especially with us getting these nests now, we're going to see huge results next year. I know we are. But we're just focusing

on a small area. We need to spread out big time. And we need the general public to get involved more. We need a team of dog handlers and dogs. And that needs to just continuously grow. You know, there's that needs to just constantly training new people, training new dogs. And it's going to take the right person. It's not just getting anybody. It's taken me a while to find the guys I have now. And, you know, we definitely are seeing results. But on a whole, we're losing the battle. Right.

Where we really are. You're just winning it in the areas where you're focused on. We're winning it in the areas we're focusing on. But it's such a small percentage of the actual everglades that's the problem yeah and and to me i say that because we're seeing a ton of baby pythons we just caught the largest python ever in the world recently that 19 footer that was caught right off the side of the road like they're just crossing the road these big ass things and um it goes to show to me that there's still a lot of big snakes out there and they're reproducing

laying eggs creating an army and it's right under our nose you know so it it can be discouraging when you look at it but that's the main thing we can can't get discouraged. We got to keep hammering. You know, we got to keep hitting these snakes, doing what we can, finding new ways and save our Everglades. We got to. Is there any way that anybody listening to this can help? Yes. Yes. You know, especially so I just started a nonprofit specifically to help with this. Veterans for Conservation. We are specifically trying to get some of that funding back into expanding my dog team, expanding more handlers, iguana removers, and everything like that, which again, I've already been self funding and doing myself.

Again, I've already been self-funding and doing myself. And then in the process of that, we want to take veterans out, specifically combat vets, take them out and get them involved, give them a new purpose, and get them in on the battle. And we've just seen it with working with the different military charity groups we've worked with. Wishes for Warriors is the one we really like to work with a lot. And we just see how beneficial it is getting them out there. And I think if we tie those two together, we can help save our state and help save some veterans. That's a great purpose and great idea. And so if someone wants to get involved, is there a website they can go to?

Best thing to do would be to email pythoncowboyhunts at gmail.com. Oh, boy. Get ready. You got someone to filter that out? Yeah, I do. I got an assistant. That's where I book all my guided hunts and sell a lot of my leather products through there. I also have my website that I sell my leather products on, pythoncowboy.com. I also have my website that I sell my leather products on, pythoncowboy.com.

And all of that, every dollar we make from leather products, from my merchandise, all of that goes right back into trying to get out there, remove more pythons, rescue native wildlife. I got a five-acre wildlife rescue where I have all kind of different rescues. And, you know, that's what I have to help fund that. And it's been going good. Do you sell python skins direct to the public? Yeah. Yeah. So if somebody wants to get one and have it made into something?

Yes, sir. We can make it for you. I actually have my, which I may have to get some more. My lady answering my emails is my leather crafter as well. So she makes my leather products, takes my orders, ships them out. Oh, wow. One person? One person. Wow.

That's a valuable employee. Her and her mother. Her and her mother. Wow. All right, man. Well, listen, thank you very much for being here. I really enjoyed talking to you.

It was really fun. And you've got a crazy job and a crazy task. And it's fascinating. Stay away from those fucking Satan worshipers. Yes, sir. Pleasure to meet you, brother. Pleasure to be fucking Satan worshipers. Yes, sir. Pleasure to meet you, brother.

Pleasure to be on. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Bye, everybody.