The Joe Rogan Experience - #2022 - Jeremy Gerber, Phil Gerber, & Josh Henning

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

Brothers Jeremy and Phil Gerber are co-owners of The Roadster Shop. Josh Henning is its Director of Operations and Business Development. Together, they are the hosts of the Oil & Whiskey podcast.�� www.roadstershop.com www.youtube.com/@OilandWhiskey

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day okay and we're up what's up hey let's uh first of all thanks for coming here thanks for everything pleasure we're very excited um just introduce yourself start with

you Josh I'm Josh Henning from the road to shop Phil Gerber Jeremy Gerber and you guys make fucking awesome cars. Well, thank you for living like that. What a great job I mean what a fucking great job, dude Yeah, I get to work on some of the fucking coolest cards as have ever been made It's a you guys have an incredible gig living the dream man. That's it. That's what it's all about So I drove that 1970 barracuda and i got here i said i don't want to say shit until we get on the air dude i'm sweating i've been sweating thinking that thing is a masterpiece it's my favorite that's my favorite

car now that's that just went number one it beat all of them hell yeah dude you know like edges you know the camaro is amazing the my nova that I got from Steve Strope is fucking incredible but this thing is fucking it's also it's like I have so much history with this car and I bought this car 20 years ago and to buy Reggie Bush bought it and then he got rid of it after a while he dumped a bunch of money into it too he was telling me and then um when uh my friend Yoel told me he got it back he he called me and he said, I have your Barracuda. I'm like, no. And this is like, you know, I was already thinking that I wanted to get another one. I wanted to get them.

I only like hot rods that are manuals. That's all I like. I do not like automatic hot rods. It just feels like something's wrong. When you're driving a classic muscle car, it's like, why am I not shifting? You know? And just what you guys did to that thing is just, you guys are artists. I appreciate it, man.

It's really amazing. Dude, we were stoked to hear when you found that car. Because you could have built anything, you know? Yeah. But that damn car was so rad. And to start with it. Yeah. Revamped that sucker and put our touch on it man i had a blast

doing it dude i'm glad that you're digging it i love it i love it that was the whole everything on that all the styling and stuff aside it was the focus was making that fucker work really good so that you got something fun to drive so it drives so different than anything else it's uh that that high revving uh naturally aspirated Mercury engine, which is very different. It's a wild motor, man. Yeah. Like the Mopar dudes, not a big fan of it, right? Because it's Chevy based, but it's a fucking motor.

It's an internal combustion engine. It looks like a heavy under the hood. People have to get over that shit. There's a bunch of people that are taking V8s, like LS engines, and putting them in the back of Porsches. Yeah. And people are like, man, I don't know. They're doing those 964s, air-cooled engines. But dude, do you know how fun that would be?

It's probably lighter than the Porsche engine. It's got way more torque. Oh, yeah. Way more horsepower. Totally different sound. I mean, it's upgrades. It doesn't have to fit. It's not like you've got to stick with whatever Came in a factory and you make it better. It's hot rodding. They gotta let that shit go Yeah, they gotta let that shit go the people are the worst about is Ferrari people Ferrari will sue you

I know man. I've I've heard that that is so crazy There's you buy a Ferrari and you paint it weird colors. They'll fucking sue you i know man i've i've heard that that is so crazy if you buy a ferrari and you paint it weird colors they'll fucking sue you yeah yeah you see there's a couple things floating around you get that dude that just uh man he swapped a like a honda motor turbo honda motor into a little 308 every comment's like when's the cease and desist letter coming yeah i wonder if they can do that with classic ones because i know that there's a bunch of people that have hot rodded some old gtos and they really are incredible they're cool dude yeah i talk about it all the time i'm i'm itching to like resto mod at testarossa it's gonna happen one of these days i don't know why but i think i see those cars those cars never

did it for me really it looks like junk oh junk. Oh, man. That side thing with the vents, like, get the fuck out of here. What is that? It's the generation. It's the generational gap, you know? No, that was Miami Vice. I was a kid. I remember Miami Vice. Everybody wanted a Testarossa.

I want to do that Lambo LP2000 or whatever, the Lambo truck, the vintage one. Oh, the one Mike Tyson had. Mike Tyson had one of those back in the day. Did those mid-travel? You only want to do that because you picture that fucking Doberman sitting in the front seat of that. That's a perfect car for like Doberman, Rottweiler.

That's your style for sure. Yeah, that's the guy with warrants. That guy's done some shady shit. You gotta get some of those in your collection. A Doberman and a Lambo truck. Like, what are you up to? For sure you know how to get some of those in your collection. A Doberman and a Lambo truck. Like, what are you up to? For sure you know how to get ketamine. Dude, did you rip that Cuda?

You drove it here. Oh, yeah, I drove it here. So you got a few miles on it? Yeah. Oh, my God. Dude, it's so different. That engine, it's just a high-revving engine. I mean, what's the red line on that thing?

You could shift it at like 8300, 8400. That's so crazy for a V8. It's so crazy and it sounds so different. It sounds like a combination of the voodoo engine from the Shelby GT350 and an

exotic car. It's real weird. It's got a sweet sound. The voodoo engines and all those coyotes are cool, but, like, me even being a car guy, if I'm on the highway and I'm just cruising, like, with my family, and some asshole kid flies by you in one of those with an exhaust system on it, I'm like, what the fuck is... Jesus, man.

Have a little respect. I don't think you need an exhaust system on one of those. They sound good when they're straight from the factory. I like that sound. But dudes go crazy with their exhausts oh yeah it's like it's not annoying to you like yeah it's like a maturity thing i think you know you gotta you want the exhaust tone like that car too we put that little bypass on it you can you can open it up and it's maybe like 20 30 percent louder but it's not obnoxious it

doesn't need to be that sounds perfect it sounds i didn't know if there was like a hoa or something you know so it's trying to make sure you have that that option yeah try to be respectful try to be respectful it's weird driving that though and then getting back in another ls v8 powered car and like you're shifting so much earlier and then you jump in that trying to figure like mentally stay in at another 3 000 rpms and yeah it comes alive at five grand and just rips. It's just very different. But it's got plenty of low-end torque for it to be fun, like, right off the line. But it's just, like, when you get on the highway, when you get on, first of all, the handling

of the thing. I wanted to ask you this. Because you guys remapped how the transmission works and the tunnel, and then you put the rear transaxle, does that shift the weight more to the back it makes that car ends up being like perfect 50 50 so with a big monster v8 in front of it the car still you know it's a little more exotic because it's balanced that's what i was thinking when i was driving it's like my god this thing is so balanced it's so sorted it's it's just like super predictable yeah it feels feels like a sports car

doesn't it compared to the exact opposite feeling of the old car the old 70 was that it had that giant hemi in the front and it was like really front end heavy oh yeah and you could feel it you could feel it around turns you could feel it everywhere it's like yikes and it you know it had solid rear axle it had you didn't have the widest tires in the world. And it was just like, oh, sketch. Big old boat anchor. That's why everybody that chimes in, they're like, man, it should have had a big old 426 Hemi with a four barrel on it.

You're like, dude, what the fuck? Shut your mouth. You're going to drive it. Shut your mouth. If I gave you that car, you'd shit your pants. It's the most incredible car of all time. Shut up. You drove the Camaro yesterday, you were talking about.

So it's interesting, back-to-back two days, jumping out of the Camaro. The Camaro's way more sketchy. The Camaro is like, if you're taking a right turn, you give it a little juice, you're going to kick out. It's so powerful at the low end. It's so vroom. It's got that vroom. It just wants to go. You've got to be very careful with the throttle in the low end. It's so... It's got that... It just wants to go. You got to be very careful with the throttle in the Camaro.

Yeah, you got to respect the Camaro a lot more than this one. This one just lets you feel where the balance... It's just like you know where the limitations are. It's giving you more information, it seems like.

The Camaro is just like a bar brawler. The Camaro is like some crazy dude who comes into a bar and he's doing coke and just want to start smashing shit You know it's like that's what it's like It's like I mean it handles for one of those cars for a 69 I mean you don't get a 69 Camaro that handles better it handles amazing But it just it's so rowdy and it has what is that like 850 horsepower? Yeah 850 horse is the supercharger man the Torx like It's like a light switch. Yeah, it's it's fun, but you can wind that you can wind that fucker out though

Yeah, I mean it'll shoot pretty straight. It's a fun car to drive. It's a recipe for disaster Enjoy it at 7 don't get that bitch up to nine or ten. Don't do it. Swap a pulley on it. Yeah. Drop the boost down. I had the privilege of flogging that thing, man, and making sure it was sorted,

but that fucker is rowdy compared to the Cuda for sure. Yeah, it's very different. It's a very different feeling, but they're both equally enjoyable in different ways. You know, it's just the... I mean, I've sang the praises of those cars so many times, but there's just something about that era of cars that is, like, the greatest achievement in automotive history in terms of, like, what it emotes from people, the kind of, like, passion that people have for those things. Yeah. Sometimes it's too much passion, though. You know, if you like flying under the radar.

Oh, yeah. Like, obviously, for you, yeah, it creates a lot of conversation yeah and for me i'm like you know you drive something like that to a gas just to fill it with gas and you're like everybody's best friend everybody's got something to say yeah those old pickup 70s pickup trucks too same fucking situation oh yeah people who love those old pickup trucks that's like a very specific breed of person those c10s it is it you know it's it is and it isn't because you get it like transcends just the like c10 dudes because chicks love those dude c10s oh yeah like square body chevys really and if you're you're a single dude and you're trying to roll some some broads man get really fucking

this guy's out there right now taking notes and like okay so you sure you sure about this I'm going to roll some broads, man. Really? This old truck. This guy's out there right now taking notes. I'm like, okay. So you sure? You sure about this? Solid sales pitch. Yeah. So the year range, what do we got?

73 to 79. That's what it's at. Yeah, those legend series or whatever. Is anybody redoing the OJ Bronco? It's getting there. It seems like that's starting. It's old enough now that that's a classic, right? It is.

It's shifting, man, because the generation is changing, and people are doing more of those. We just did an 87 Grand National, and it's getting into that era. You're going to break into the early 90s. We did a chassis for one, and we had it in our shop. I wanted to do one, slam that bitch on a chassis, license plate juice. Of course. Do you guys know Mark Curry, Hanging with Mr. Cooper?

Remember that show? Yeah. Mark Curry's a car nut, too. He's a stand-up comic, and he had this beautiful OJ Bronco. It was really dope. Pretty sure it was a Bronco. And a fucking tree fell on it. He had the Bronco in his show, I remember.

He had the Bronco in his show, too. Did he? His TV show. I think he would drive that. Yeah, so look at this. Oh. Yeah, a fucking tree fell on his truck and crushed it. Man, poor guy.

Yeah, I think it totaled it. Yeah, it looks like it. See if you can get photos of it, because it's a massive tree that fell on his, look at the size of the fucking tree that fell on his Bronco. Shit. It was a dope Bronco, though. He had it, like, completely redone. It was a total sleeper.

There's Mark. Mark's the shit. Super cool dude. Really, really funny stand-up, too, if you ever see him live. I've never seen him. He's really funny. Really funny. But, you know, he made, like, a ton of money off of hanging with Mr. Cooper.

He's just chilling, having a good time, enjoying himself. But just luckily he wasn't in that thing. That's how our governor got paralyzed. The tree? The tree fell. Is that what happened? I was wondering what happened. He was jogging.

Jogging around a lake. Does a tree fall on you while you're jogging? Dude, what are the odds? What are the odds? Yeah. They do fall, though. You know, when you're hunting and, you know, like you're in an area with like a lot of deadfall and it's windy, like if you hear crack, like that's something you have to be very considerate of. You have to really consider it because if you hear a tree falling and it's anywhere near you, like you could get got.

Like you have to really pay attention if you're in a place where trees fall. It's super, super, super rare to be there when a tree falls. But when you go through the woods, you see fallen trees all the time. They do happen. And if you are there when that, I mean, you could just zig when you should have zagged. If that happens to me, I hope it takes me out, dude, because I would not want to tell that story. I hope it grazes me.

And people are like, dude, what happened? A fucking tree fell on me. Came out of nowhere. Yeah. Well, Abbott's pulled it me. Came out of nowhere. Yeah. Well, Abbott's pulled it off. He's the governor. He's a great guy, too. And, you know, that's what happened to him.

It's a crazy story. Just guy was like super fit, running around a lake. That's nuts. Yeah. Fucking wild. That's like we always talk. No disrespect to anybody, but getting hit by a train. I saw that on Instagram last week.

That's always blown my mind because they don't sneak up on you. They do, though, because they're moving so fast you miscalculate how much time it takes to get out of the way. You really do. You see them. You see them coming. They're coming towards you. You don't understand what that means. If you think you can run across a highway because you see the car down there, no, you can't.

No, you can't. That car's going 80 miles an hour. It's going to fucking smash into you. It's just a bad car. And it's also like for whatever reason, sometimes people stop on tracks. It's the craziest thing. Their car stalls. They get stopped on tracks.

Or they try to beat the train, and they get clipped. That's what happened to Matt Hughes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, trains are fucking, it's amazing. It's an adrenaline thing, too. You know, we were out ripping those scooters, those little rental fucking electric scooters,

and Sean was a buddy of mine. He fucking throttles down on this thing. I'm like dude don't do that right in front of the train it looked like something out of a movie like if we had fireworks going off in the background I forgot all about that yeah I had a concussion that's and you're trusting some fucking rental scooter right like what are the odds that that thing's not beat to driving around Austin yesterday those just, they leave them wherever, huh? Ever.

You have a nap, you just find one, pick it up, start riding. In the middle of the road, like yesterday we were driving around, they're just fucking everywhere. It's a great way for people to get around, though. Look, Austin is a great walking around city. There's a lot of places, like where my club is on 6th Street, they shut the street down on the weekends. And it's just for people walking around. It's amazing. It's fucking cool.

A group of those. Just everybody just wandering around, going to bars. It's really prime for a bachelorette party on about six or seven of those scooters. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, they're always happening. Seeing them get KO'd.

They're always happening. And they're in those pedicabs. They're always in the back. Yeah. Those scooters should be regulated here. We're lucky to have josh with us today because josh had himself a fucking violent wreck on one of those and we were in louisville yeah oh man helmet no helmet head bang yeah like a bounce like a bouncy ball we're all doing stupid concrete

yeah oh boy yeah pull out my pull out my phone i'm navigating we're trying to find a bar i'm in the lead and pull out my phone and just'm navigating. We're trying to find a bar. I'm in the lead. And pull out my phone and just kind of stand there and then got a tank slapper. It's fine. Honestly, my pride is hurt. Way worse. Yeah, it's not recoverable. When you get older, falling becomes way more dangerous.

That's what we said. You know? I used to fall when I was a kid. It was like a normal thing to, like, fall off your bike. Now you fall off your bike like, Jesus. Yeah. Like, checking everything. Yeah.

Making sure you're okay. You used to be able to, like, roll. Now it's just you hit and splat. Yeah. You just hit awkward. Yeah. And then things click. Why is it clicking? Why is my neck clicking?

It's like a brick and breaking. I'm just thinking about crack bones and shit. Yeah. Don't ride scooters, bro. Come on. we need you. He learned his lesson. We need you out there making awesome cars. That's right.

I saw that Grand National you guys did. That's another car that I appreciate, but I don't get it. I put that in the Testarossa category. To me, it's like, that's a sedan. That's like a regular sedan. Like, there's nothing special about it. I don't like it. So I've never been into those cars either.

I've always hated the G-Bodies. Not a fan at all, but that's a car that's so fucking violently fast and badass to drive. Oh, I'm sure. And it's got, like, a menacing—it kind of made me a believer in them because it's got, like, this menacing look about it because it's, like you said, it's like a sedan. Yeah. You look at it, and it was an average-ass-looking car. But it kind of made me a believer.

I turned the corner on the G-Bodies a little bit. Yeah, a little bit, but it's not the best shape. Those years, what is that? Like 87 or something like that? 87. Yeah, those years sucked. It did. Those years sucked. Even the greatest stuff that anybody made during those years sucked. When's a Mustang

coming? You gotta do a Mustang, don't you? I do have to do a Mustang. Look at that thing. Yeah, it's pretty dope. As far as those cars go, it's dope. But it's just, they're not the best looking cars. Like, if you're going to, I don't know, if you're going to commit to a car.

You like some shape and some. I like the old, I like the ones when people were taking acid and making great music. Yeah. That was the era. That's the cars. Those are the cars. Yeah, you had these colorful characters that were designers.

What's that dude's name? It was just a fucking nut, dude. Remember with the crazy clothes? Oh, yeah. God. Shit. Crazy GM designer. At the Royal Earl?

No, at the Red Suit all the time. For sure they did drugs. Yeah. Tons of drugs. Here's why you can tell it drops off radically after the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 so in 1970 they made everything schedule one they turned mushrooms lsd everything became schedule one and the purpose of it look at this crazy dude that's the guy who designed everything he's an animal look at him you crazy dude. That's the guy who designed everything. He's an animal.

Look at him. You know that dude was doing drugs. Dude, world famous, famous guy. So when they made it in 1970 from 70 on, the cars started sucking. Yeah. Like literally. Like it's like right when everything became illegal, the cars just fell apart. You get like a couple of good 71s.

Like the 71 Barracuda's dope. In the carryover cars. Yeah, but you get into like the 70 camaros you're like what did you do like what did you do it's like it's okay but like but you had perfection like what did you do that's it that's a funky one to think is there's 70 camaro guys you know and i could see like there's something about them that's all right but to veer away from such an iconic design yeah the 69 was it's one of the baddest ass cars ever made yeah and to just drop that not even like evolve it a little bit and they like get

into like the 80s and you're like what is that yeah with the irox like what is that what have you done what have you done what are you guys doing to do something you guys are on the wrong drugs there's no well i think cocaine came in and played a part of it. You know We did a 79 Camaro white one and it's like we a white t-tops did it for a guy out at Pennsylvania And it's that we call it the cocaine cruiser. It's got that look, you know, but yeah the design It kind of went out the fucking window. I think, like, AMX, AMC AMX, I'll bet you that entire product line was, like, an acid trip, I feel like. Right.

Yeah, they had some wild ones. That's javelins and shit. Even the way they're, I mean, besides the just the drugs, I mean, there's stories about Bill Mitchell. I mean, he was supposedly, now this is a story as you heard, they were paying prostitutes out of petty cash from General Motors. Of course they were. Like on a weekly basis. Pay them in gold bullions.

But they lived a life. It was kind of a rock star lifestyle. I mean, there's stories about them getting drunk and taking like a horse-drawn carriage in New York City and driving it like through the Waldorf Astoria. And I mean, shit like that back in the day there it's a crazier mentality and they were getting away with a lot more shit that I think trickled down into the company I think they trickled down

the design yes they were rock and roll guys they made rock and roll cars man they all they really did like those you go back and look at it like a 1969 Mustang like whoever whatever you were on back then you fucking nailed it Like there's nothing like that before that You know if you go to like the 19 the difference between the 1950s cars and the 1960s cars is crazy Because if you think about the difference between a 2013 car and a 2023 car not much fucking difference right even Mustangs and things like that they look great 13 You know 10 years ago. They look great now, but it's like they don't look that much different

But you know that's an old car, but 50 to 60s like that's when the drugs kicked in and that's a hundred percent They've started making the Corvette look for that like the 67 plus Corvette. They just had this fucking shape to it You know they just went ham. Dude, that's a good observation. I've never really put two and two together on that. Because, yeah, the 50s stuff is so, like, civilized and, like, professional. And then it, yeah, definitely. Do, do, do, do. Do, do, do.

Do, do, do. These guys got fucked up and they made some amazing art. And that's really what it is. And what you guys do is take that art and update it that's what i love i love like first of all i love the craftsmanship and just the skill that you guys have the in the engineering that's involved and i just really really appreciate all that that all that goes into that but it's also art like you guys are making art with old art. You take these rusted, old, fucked-up cars, and you strip them all down, put a completely new chassis, put everything in so it works like a modern car,

and you get the best of both worlds. You get that look that those cars had was just magical. Whatever they were, whatever the design element of those cars, it's just magical. Dude, that's the key to those, because everybody loves muscle cars, but people look at them like, you get some dude who's like 45, 50 years old, he made himself a bunch of cash, and he says, that looks cool. I want to have it. Has no fucking idea that when he buys a 70 Cuda, it's a massive pile of shit to drive.

Like a bone stock car. You have no idea, because you look at it, you think it's cool, it's fast, it was fast. It's a massive pile of shit to drive. Like a bone stock car. You have no idea. Because you look at it, you think it's cool. It's fast. It was fast. It's not. It's got the iconic big motor and rumble. My mom had a 1971 when I was growing up.

That's when I became infatuated with Kudas. Really? Yeah. It was with a 340 automatic. That's a crazy car for your mom to have. Your mom must have been pretty fucking cool. She was pretty cool. But it was like the shape of that car just

intoxicated me just as a kid and i was always like but hers was like kind of boring looking it was like kind of a copper bronze color it was like kind of boring stock and i was like man one day one day so that was like the car in my head always was like 70 71. i like both of them there's something about the 70 with the individual headlights. It just makes it a little, it stands out. But that fucking grille in the 71 is pretty wild, too. Yeah, I like the taillights on the 72. It's a good-looking car.

And it's easy when you start with one of those. We've done a handful of Kudas because those cars are just good-looking to begin with. And you don't really have to touch the body on them. You know, you talk about, like, making art. That car's like art to begin with. You don't really have to touch the body on them. You know, you talk about like making art. That car is like art to begin with. Yeah. Well, I think Dodge did the very best job of doing that retro version of the Challenger. I think that all those cars that to me look a lot like an old, like the first time I saw

the Hellcat, I was like, that's a fucking dope car. Yeah. Dope modern car. Like you could see driving that 15, 20 years from now. It'd be car. Yeah. Dope modern car. Like, you could see driving that 15, 20 years from now. It would be cool. Dude, they're very cool. My problem with them is we've always been around the muscle cars,

so you're used to the proportions of, like, I've had 70 Challengers, and you're used to those proportions. And when you see that car next to it, it's like, I don't know, it's like the big dumb kid in gym class when you were a kid. It's just, like like a little overgrown. You know what I mean? Why did they do that? Why did they become bigger? All the shit's so much bigger.

It's just the wheelbase, the platform. All the safety requirements they have to have. The HVAC system in a new modern car or whatever is as big as your entire dash interior of that 70 Cuda. You pull out the HVAC system under the dash of one of those new ones. That's why from the steering wheel all the way to the outside of the firewall I mean you're talking like three fucking feet really and it's just the amount of shit they pack into those new cars it's fucking not the horsepower and the performance is pretty mind-blowing on

that stuff like if you think everybody raves about like the muscle car era but if you stop and think like you can go into the dealership right now and buy a thousand horsepower car a car that runs nine second quarter miles jamie just got a brand new tesla plaid and i don't know if you've driven one of those but look i love muscle cars but that car makes every car feel stupid that's stupid i mean stupid it goes zero to 60 in two seconds. It flies. It goes so fast. It's like it's time traveling. Like it moves into positions that no other car can do it.

And somehow it does it silently so you don't feel like a douche bag. Like you're like, bah, bah. And getting in front of somebody, you just go, whoosh. And you're gone. How wild is it, Jamie? It's crazy. I mean, I barely drove it yesterday because I took it in the back and I was just like, oh, my God, this is a little, okay, hold on. And I think it's 1,100 horsepower.

Is it controllable or is it just go by itself or electronically dialed? It's so dialed in, there's never wheel spin. I mean, when you take off, there's no wheel spin. It's all completely electronically managed. The base of the thing is all batteries, so the weight is low, so it's got an amazing center of gravity. 1,020 horsepower. Oh, back to your point. 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60.

It's nuts. Bro, it's preposterous. I know. It's tough when you talk about that to make the argument against electric cars. The performance is nuts. I drove the fucking Cuda here today, though. I didn't drive the Tesla. It's a different experience.

I'm not trying to go. I'm not racing anybody. I'm just going to work. It's the feeling. It's the auxiliary experience. Oh, my God. A little bit of vibration, the noise. You're connected to the car, right? You you're you're the one operating the car there's a few things in life that people

wish they had that are actually worth getting and muscle cars are one of them 100 this is just one dude modified you know there's modified muscles like what you guys do you can drive it yeah because it's like there's a lot of things that people wish they had and when you had it you have it it's like i explained this once like my first nice apartment that I ever had was in North Hollywood when I first moved to California And I was on TV shows like wow got a nice apartment. This is crazy This is my own place it had a loft and a pool table And I was sitting in front of my TV, and I realized I go. Oh, this is just a house Like it's just like every other house the same feeling I had when I was in a shitty apartment.

It's just your place. You go to your place, you chill. It's the same feeling. So all that extra money you paid for these big giant houses and all the crazy shit, you think you're going to get that same amount of juice from like, wow, what an amazing feeling being in this house. But it's just your house. You just have that same feeling.

Oh, I'm in my house. Oh, I'm in my house Oh, I'm open to my refrigerator. I'm gonna have breakfast. It's the same feeling, right? It's not the same feeling with cars when you are in one of the with I drive the Tesla to work. It's quiet It's great. I listen to books on tape. I'm Cruising along that makes no sound. It's very relaxing and peaceful But when I drive like the Camaro to work, it's like I'm in a fucking Doors video. You know? It's like do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

It's a trip. I'm on a Disney ride. I'm on a Disney ride. Are you jamming out to any music in that, or do you just listen to the music? I jammed out to music until I was halfway here, and I'm like, I didn't want to hear the music anymore. I just wanted to hear the engine. You know, there's both things. Like I have a Porsche, a 1993 RS America.

It's the rawest car I have. It's not fast at all. It only has like 300 horsepower. It has no power steering. It has no air conditioning. It has no radio. It has no nothing. And it weighs like, you know, it's like, I don't know, 2,000 something pounds.

It weighs nothing. And it's so fun you know, it's like, I don't know, 2,000 something pounds. Sure. It weighs nothing. And it's so fun. I'll bet. It's so different than any other experience. And it's not the fastest. It's the slowest car I have, for sure. It's not that fast. But it's every mile per hour, everything you're fucking feeling in your ass and in your hands.

And it's this raspy, air-cooled... You don't have to be going fast. It's just the feeling you're getting. You're on a ride. It requires all of you. It's like a motorcycle. You're connected. You're making everything happen.

You're the one controlling it. There's no computers. There's no traction control. You have connected. You're making everything happen. You're the one controlling it. There's no computers. There's no traction control. You have to really steer that bitch, too, because there's no power steering. So, like, when you're parallel parking, you got to fucking work your forearms. It's a lot. But the feeling, the feedback you get is unprecedented. It's just like, and they say it's even more so if you get to like this 1970 ones, like

they take when they do like Chris Harris did that once he took a 90, I think it was a 1970 or 71 911 T. So you can find that video. It's like Chris Harris, my perfect sports car. And so he took this 911 T and he brought it to this guy who makes race cars. And he had him fit it with a roll cage and ramp up the engine and tune the suspension. And there's a video of him driving around the British countryside in this green 1970s Porsche. And it's fucking amazing. It's what everybody loves about driving, just in one video.

This guy who's an automotive enthusiast, he can kind of get any car he wants. I mean, Chris Harris is like the premier auto journalist of our time. And he chooses to have this one little tiny, lightweight, stripped-down car that he has built. Have you found it? Check this out. Give me some volume. I need volume. Oh, no, that's not built. Have you found it? Check this out. Give me some volume. I need volume. Oh, no, that's not it.

That's not it. That's the Singer DLS. That's the nasty car, too. The one below it. The one below it. No, not Singer. Chris Harris, 911. Put, like, my perfect sports car.

911, my perfect sports car. That era of 911, I mean, it's very similar to the muscle car vibe. Yes, very. That's it right there, the second one down. Remember the green 911? That one. So this is a car that Chris just, like,

you know, had built over time. Just give me... Let it go right there then we got completely carried away with the engine spec and i stomped my feet like a child until richard found a later g50 gearbox and altered the rear torsion tubes to make it fit and the engine is 3.4 liters of hand-built sexiness and it has about 320 horsepower and the car weighs under a thousand kilograms and when we drove it side by side with my then new BMW M3 the Porsche was quicker. The chassis is probably the trickiest bit of all on this car. I didn't just want an RS replica so we went for the look of an ST which for those of you less geeky than me on the subject of old 911s, is a car from 1971

with wider arches than an RS and no ducktail spoiler. So we have eight and nine inch wheels. The nines are rare and stupidly expensive, but they do look the business. And that also means we have more mechanical grip and a wider track, and we needed some trick dampers to deal with that. The internals of the ones fitted to this car

are very similar to the stuff Shit yeah That's what I'm talking about Is to dampers what Gordon Ramsay is to roast lamb they cost a horrendous amount of money But a well worth why do they sound so much smarter than we do that's why we use them for infomercials Dummies buy things from people British British accents. Way more eloquent. Sham Wow. The Sham Wow guy

was American though, right? Wasn't that guy, he was a wild boy, right? Didn't he get like bit a hooker or something like that? Is that what he did? Yeah, he got arrested

for biting a hooker. I never would have guessed. He seemed like a straight shooter. I think he did that Sham Wow, got that ShamWow money, and started doing ShamWow money things. Sounds good for him. Started doing blow and party.

That's an American success story right there. I think he's dead. Is he dead? ShamWow guy alive? Yeah. Really? Congratulations, sir. I think it's the OxyClean.

What was the problem? Didn't he have a coke problem and kill himself? The OxyClean guy? Billy Mays? Oh, he did. I'm still trying to get past the bite and a hooker was that just the problem with the negotiation on the front end couldn't you just it depends on it on the tail into what drugs he's on what the hooker did who knows what happened I don't know

the story very unfortunate for all involved but um yeah the Billy Mays guy he was doing a lot of blow and he had a heart attack or something, right? Yeah, that's what I thought. Is that what he died from, Jamie? Not quite like that, but I don't want to get into it. You don't want to get into it? I'm friends with his son. Oh, that's right.

That's right. I'm sorry, Jamie. Sorry for bringing that up. Sorry, buddy. Anyway, who doesn't like to party? Look, James Gandelfini, one of my favorite actors of all time. That's how he went. Partied a little too hard.

Damn. Blew the ticker. Dude, it'll happen. Leave it all on the field. Not that it matters. That's one of my all-time favorite fucking shows. Oh, my God. Fuck.

Gandolfini was the first guy that you rooted for that was a murderer. Oh. He was the hero. The hero. He murdered Christopher Moltisanti in the Cadillac. Yeah, spoiler alert. I mean, he was the first real, I think, on TV, the first real anti-hero. If you really think about it.

Was there anybody before him? Jamie, can you think of anybody? That'd been, like, 94, 95. 94 95 the sopranos was later than that i believe yeah i think it was early 2000s i remember like thinking when i was watching okay this is totally different than anything ever because they can do anything that intro that that score at the beginning oh that it was so annoying being italian then because everybody wanted to talk like they were in the mob. All the dumbest Italian guys in the East Coast like, hey, that's our fucking thing.

This is our thing. Shut your mouth. Everybody wanted to be on the mob. It's like people move into Montana because they saw Yellowstone. It's like the same shit. It's enticing, man. Fuck, I watch it. They sold it hard. They sold it hard.

I want to be a rancher. Until you got to do rancher until you gotta do rancher stuff I know you gotta get up at fucking 3 in the morning and feed the cattle that's no joke

that's a real work you get into like shootouts yeah how are they getting into so many murders blowing up buildings all kinds of cool shit you're in their shoulder

deep in a fucking cowl trying to pull out the calf and doing all that shit I don't think people realize it's not just like all about distressedressed leather boots and cool jackets.

There's some fucking work there. Backbreaking work, yeah. But there's this amazing scene where this old cowboy is talking to this young guy and he's saying, you're doing art for no audience. Like when you're out there. What you're doing is you're doing art for no audience. Like when you're out there. What you're doing is you're doing art for no audience. It's like, wow. If you really love that, that is what it is.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Yeah. Yeah, we're doing it. We're plastering it all over Instagram and the internet and YouTube and trying to get everybody to see it. With an audience. Yeah, with an audience. You're doing art for an audience.

It's interesting, though, because it is kind of what that is. And there's something about, like, cattle wrangling and all that stuff that somehow or another speaks to human beings. Because I think we evolved doing that. And I think, like, tending to the land. And I think farmers have that sort of same feel, too. There's something about that that's just, like, natural with human beings and it just there's a natural human reward system that's involved with cultivating your own food and and being involved in a farm that i think it just centers people in a very unusual way because i think it's like your body's designed for a certain amount of that

you know i think it's a good thing even if it's glamorizing it in an unrealistic light, and it does make people go and say they sell their business, and they go out there, and they're going to become a rancher, and then they fail. But at least it is pushing some people to get back to that wilderness living. I think it's a good thing. Most people aren't cut out for it. I know. There's a lot of people.

Remember that movie with Pauly Shore? Was it Son-in-Law? Yeah. I'll bet you there's so much of that going on out there in Montana. Oh, yeah. Billings and shit like that.

Well, there's something going on in Wyoming. Jeffrey Starr, who's this famous YouTuber who is like, are they transgender? Or is he gay? He's very flamboyant, very fun,

but he's involved in some dispute with his neighbor. He said his neighbor tried to kill him, run him off the road. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but he's making Instagram videos about it. Can you imagine some rancher and Jeffree Star moves next door? Have you seen it? He's throwing parties. He wouldn't exactly fit in.

But maybe he would. I mean, maybe they're open-minded. I don't know what's going on, so I can't really comment. You think he's going down to Tractor Supply and buying a couple bags of feed? It'd be fun. Some Carhartts. Who knows? Yeah, Carhartts.

I don't think so. I don't think he's right. Running around the field with Lululemon on. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing, but it's like, RuPaul bought a fucking ranch too. RuPaul bought some giant ranch in like Wyoming. Lives on a ranch.

How many people out there have been in that industry? They've been in Montana, they've been in Wyoming their whole lives, and they're making a fortune off of selling ranching supply. All this stuff that they say, for these people that come in, they've just moved. Like, I'm starting a ranch, what do I need? I'm gonna

set you up, so what you're gonna need is a ranch starter kit. Imagine starting a ranch from scratch. What? What are you gonna do? Do you know how to do this? Are you crazy? You're gonna die. How many cows do I need? Several. A whole mess of them. It should actually be a fun

reality show. Didn't Jeremy Clark do that? Did he do something like that? Didn't Jeremy Clark start a farm? I believe he did. I think he did it for a television show. And the same kind of deal. Yeah, it's got to be all-encompassing. Like, you'd be exhausted.

Yeah, Clarkson's Farm. Yeah. Episode one surviving Dude it's all changing Everything's changing in this country Cause they're moving like I mean Austin's a good example Years ago

It was Texas Yeah It's just badass Fucking cowboy stuff And now it's Well Well Austin was always very blue Austin's always been like this blue spot

In a red state And it's always been like this blue spot in a red state. And it's always been very progressive. And one of the funniest things that I've ever seen that's like pretty accurate. There's a T-shirt that said, keep Austin weird and surrounded. It's like you need the balance. You need the balance. Because if you're in a place like San Francisco or L.A., there's no fucking balance. Right?

There's no like Republicans on the outside and progressives. Like, even the progressives here are so much more reasonable than the progressives in L.A. Because they encounter, like, rational opposition to their ideas all the time. Yeah. And, you know, that stuff only works in urban environments, like progressive ideology and the policies they push with homelessness and crime and defunding the police. That shit only works and it doesn't work. It doesn't work at all.

But you can only get away with it in urban environments. In the country, no one's buying any of that. You just like people work too hard. It's like if you want to get by by if you're fucking in a rural area No one's interested in that nonsense yourself So the beautiful thing about Texas is Austin is just like small city There's like a million plus people not that many right and then there's another million on the outside and then outside of it is just

Texas outside of his Buc-ee's and fireworks. Dude, that's what I'm talking about. Gun stores. It's like, it's ranches. It's like, that keeps Austin balanced. Where they don't get too off the rails. They don't go to Portland. I'm going to ask you about the homeless stuff.

We were here, what, two years ago? Yeah. Yeah, two or three years ago. It was really, really getting, it was height of pandemic stuff and all that. But, man, last night going around, it's way different. Yeah, they cleaned it up. They did it in a very intelligent way. They acquired hotels, and they bought buildings and housed people,

and they have a bunch of different programs they do to try to help people get back on their feet, and they discourage camping. They won't let people camp. You just can't camp under the bridges. They clean up your shit. They'll take you out of there. They'll let you know that there's resources available for you. But the real problem in all these cases is mental illness.

That's the real problem, mental illness and drug addiction. And both of those things kind of go hand in hand, and a lot of those folks are like badly, badly addicted to drugs and they can't sustain themselves and they can't support themselves. And I don't think encouraging them to just camp out everywhere like they do in San Francisco and they actually give them money for doing that. That doesn't help anybody. It's not helping them. It's not helping your community. It's terrible. And everybody knows it. You don't think that enabling them and giving them needles and stuff like California does is beneficial? I think they should give them everybody's money, all the money.

If they were rich, they'd have no problems. Just give them all a million dollars. Come on. All the money we're spending in Ukraine is only like 2,000 homeless people. They could afford that. Dude, I don't know. I don't know if it kills your problems. Look at the fucking Shamwell guy.

Different problems. Different problems. Amplifies it maybe. Yeah, I mean if you just gave him money it wouldn't help. You really – I don't know what to do. I mean I think that like when a person is that fucked, when their mind is that fucked and they're that far gone in terms of life, they have no hope and they're just covered in filth and they're living in a tent. It's like taking that person and rebuilding them is a massive project. It's probably going to take as much time to make them normal as it took for them to get that fucked up. So you think about like childhood abuse, sexual abuse, violence, detention, juvenile system.

They've gone through jail. They've gone through jail. They've gone through so many different things. They have no hope that life is eventually going to be awesome. When you wake up, you go to an awesome job. You guys have a cool place. You work with cool people. You make awesome shit. That feels good.

That's like a good feeling. Oh, yeah. These guys never have good feelings unless they're getting high. And that's the scary thing. It's like you get them out of that that and then they're going to be depressed. They have nothing going on. They're 43 years old. They've never had a job.

Like, how do you fix that? But you don't fix it by just letting them camp out somewhere. I mean, I don't know what the solution is because at a certain point in time, it's like it's so hard to turn people around. And they have to want to turn around. So it has to be in them that they somehow or another want to do better because some people don't want to do better. They just want to stay high. They're just like, I feel better when I'm high. I just want to stay high, and they just do heroin. Just get caught in that rut.

You've got a lot of huge megachurches out there that aren't doing nothing for them. huge mega churches out there that aren't doing nothing for them. You've got tens of thousands of people in arenas. I mean, they're not doing shit. I don't think they can do anything. But they're not doing anything. They're not doing anything. But I don't think they can do anything.

I don't know what you can do. Other than what they've done in Austin. But Austin is a small... I had the mayor on, Stephen Adler, and we talked about it. And one of the things that he said was like, I, it's my goal before I leave office to put a handle on this homeless thing. If I don't do that, I failed. And I think he did it. But the thing with, he said was we can do it because we only have somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 homeless people. He goes, Los Angeles is unmanageable. They have like a hundred thousand homeless people. When you get to that point,manageable. They have like 100,000 homeless

people. When you get to that point, have you ever seen Skid Row in downtown LA? Never in person. It's insane. I saw it in person in the early 2000s before the pandemic. And it was nuts then. I couldn't believe it. And it was engineered. They used to take people when they would arrest them and dump them off on Skid Row. They'd take people and bring them there. Like, they literally set up these homeless shelters, and they set up these food banks, and they set up

and these people just live on this street. It's a zombie movie. It's so crazy when you go down there, and when I... What is this? This is saying that there's up to 10,000 people now homeless in austin 10,000 yeah one percent of the population what it's according to the city of austin's own count holy shit is this new yeah i mean they're all they moved them out of the downtown

area under the bridges and they all live out in the parks now apparently like oh and like state parks not even state parks like city the city parks this is zilker park i think what yeah wow that's crazy man i didn't know that so they just got it out of view is that what they did i believe so is what it is is like there's different people that have to patrol that it might be different than the cops that are patrolling people on the streets 168 different camps across the city wow wow 168 different camps across the city. Wow. Wow. Often hidden from public view in the woods.

For sure. Dude, it's kind of like sweeping the floor. Okay, take everything I said back. Under the rug there a little bit. They just got it off the streets. Just blew the lid off of that one. They just got it off the streets, and now there's campments. Back when your mom said clean the room.

I did a great job. Yeah, right under the rug. All under the bed. So are those all marks on the map that are homeless encampments? Yeah, as of published February 26th. I think as of June. And so they think there's 10,000 people. Is this like some New York Post exaggeration?

I don't know. But that's what the Austin City thinks? Yeah, City of Austin County. What do we know about homelessness in Austin? Wow. don't know but that's what what the lost the austin city thinks yeah city city of austin county what do we know about homelessness in austin wow so that's the case then when the mayor was on which was a couple of years ago the numbers gone out by 8 000 people there's another crazy story that's why i was looking while you guys are talking uh that mayfair hotel in la yeah that's come up in a bunch of documentaries yeah stuff that stuff. They just paid, the city paid $11.5 million in damages because they used that in what they called Project Roomkey,

which got a bunch of people off the street into housing. But immediately, drug use, damages in the hallways, violence, all sorts of stuff. Now the city wants to buy that building for like $83 million. Oh, wow. And do what? House homeless people? Yeah, exactly.

Just continue. Let it stay being a shit hole. If you're telling me they gave them a free room and they destroyed it. Yeah. They're a little, you know, self-destructive.

They're not in the best state of mind. Yeah. I don't know how we got on that subject. Yeah. You said something about Buc-ee's. Have you seen the Buc-ee's they're making? No, they're building one in Mexico,

but it's not a Buc-ee's. It's a knockoff? Yeah, they're trying, they got them cease and desist and all that shit and they're building one in Mexico, but it's not a Bucky's. It's a knockoff? Yeah, they got them cease and desist and all that shit, and they're still building it. Did you see what they did with In-N-Out? Uh-uh. In Mexico, they have, it's not In-N-Out. It's like In-Knee-Out, something like that. It's the same logo.

It's the same look. Yeah, so it's not it's not called in and out what is it called so this is you know this is in cuny convex go in i and out it looks exactly like in and out when you go there the burgers are all the same the trays are the same animal animal style, the whole thing's the same. They just stole the menu, they stole the way it looks, and they barely changed the name. Gotta applaud their effort there. Yeah, I mean,

it's not like they're making Ferraris. It's a fucking cheeseburger. You know? You can make a cheeseburger exactly like that cheeseburger. Yeah, but you could also come up with your own name. Or you could just say, fuck you, I live in Mexico. Ride the coattails. Yeah, what they could do is just eventually change the name.

Oh, Buck Two's Super Mercado. Look, they got the fucking gopher on it and everything. Same as the Bucky's guy. It's not quite as big as the Texas version. Yeah, it's a little downsized. Buc-ee's is an impressive establishment, though. It's a Walmart. You go in there, you're like, what is this?

This is insane. Is that a gas station? Oh, you'd go broke at the beef jerky bar. You've been to the beef jerky buffet? Yeah, it's preposterous. Oh, man, you've got to try a little bit of everything. Yeah, it's a ridiculous place. It's so Texas.

That's why I talk about it on stage, because it's a ridiculous place. It's so Texas. That's why I talk about it on stage, because it's so fucking Texas. It's so ridiculous. Speaking of on stage, fucking last night, dude, thank you. It was phenomenal. Thank you. Glad you guys had a good time. Dude, phenomenal time.

You run that place and your whole entire staff. I mean, hats off. It's like watching an orchestra. Seriously. Yeah, they're all very good everybody's great it's it's it's a lovely little environment that we've created it's real fun and everybody loves it it's like everybody's having a good time it's it's it's real nice and you're working your fucking ass off yeah we're doing a lot of work but it's not work it's talking shit yeah it's fun i was doing my fucking hats off to you the way i mean you're busting ass there and that's i don't know where the fuck you get the energy from vitamins i'm 40 years old

and i look at you i'm like god damn what am i doing wrong but i'm used to doing it i do it every day you know it's normal yeah yeah you're on the gas it's fun but it's fun it's just fun you know when you're doing stand-up like the hard part is the writing. The writing and creating new bits and working them out on stage. That's the tricky part, the hard part. But the fun part is just having a good time. People have fun. It's just having a good time. You're just making a good time.

It's a great environment and a cool place. Yeah, it's beautiful. Just like I was saying, you guys have this great job. You go and do something that's, like, very rewarding. That's what owning a comedy club is like. It's like we're providing this really fun experience, you know? It's like you can go, have a couple of drinks, laugh, have a great time, fun people, nice people, loving people. It's, like, fun, beautiful environment.

There's only a few, like, there's probably,'s only a few jobs in the world that provide that. Like for us, you almost live there. It's not a job. It becomes a lifestyle, right? Like the shop, I spend more time there than I do anywhere else. Right. Because you're just, that's what you do. That's the lifestyle that you live.

Yeah, and all the different personalities have to kind of like figure their spot, like figure their spot like figure out how to like get along with each other yeah that could be a real issue it can be that could be a very very interesting issue you know we get like 95 people total oh wow and there's uh you know different personalities different talents different personalities a lot of it's a bunch of artists i I mean, they're craftsmen. I mean, imagine having 95 comics all living in the same... Yeah, you're going to have issues. Especially when they're around each other all day.

Like, we only see each other at night, you know? Yeah. So you go through your whole day, and most of these guys are, like, playing golf or doing something else, and then they come to the club. like playing golf or doing something else, and then they come to the club. I think there's a lot of similarities in any type of art and creation because you are getting some of that instant gratification as far as you're gratifying yourself with what you're creating, but you also get from that customer and you get stuff.

You're doing the same thing in the comic stuff. It's not like you're putting in the work now, and then a year from now you'll see if it paid off or not as far as that joke you know like throughout the night you're knowing right now if it's hitting or not hitting or working right there's something i guess different i mean i'm looking at like a corporate job of somebody going and pushing papers and having to wait for a year review before somebody said that you actually moved the needle or did a good job right and how much joy are you getting from what you're doing every day? Right.

That's the big one. Because if you can have a job that pays more money but you hate it, like that's not a good tradeoff. You want to feel good. That's the – at all the things in life, like if you get sick, what's the first thing you think? Like, God, I really should have appreciated when I wasn't sick. I really should have taken care of myself better. I really should

have been more careful. I should have got more sleep. I should have taken my vitamins. Like, whatever. You vow, like, when I get better, I am going to appreciate this. And that applies to jobs, too. If you have a job that sucks, and you fucking

hate it, you hate what you do, and you do it all the time, and you're just in there because you have to be there all day. Your day is dread. And if you can get paid less to do something that makes you feel better, that's so much more valuable. As long as you can get by, you are so much better off getting paid less. And enjoying what you're doing. Unless you have a family and you have to support people and you have obligations. I understand.

I'm not saying you should go fucking risk your life on a whim. But I am saying that if you can pick a path in life that is more enjoyable, I feel like there's a lot of miserable rich people. That's not the end all be. It's a trap. What you really want is to feel good. You really want to feel good about your purpose in life. Like the things you do, the way it impacts other people. And that's what you guys do.

You guys make sure, like the look on people's faces when you deliver those cars. I mean. Dude, that's, I mean, for us, that's what gets you out of bed every morning. Because it's hard work. You know, just like how you're out there sweating your ass off and busting your balls, and I'm sure sometimes it's tough. Building cars is the same way. I mean, they rip your heart out.

They challenge you. It is tough, tough work. But the finished product, the goal, and what makes it all worthwhile is giving you a car, and you drive it, and you're like, holy fuck, that thing's badass. You know, it doesn't matter if we made money, lost money, you know, what's going on. That's the goal. That's what I thrive on. That was going to be my point when you hit on it is you're coming from the mentality of you're going to always work as hard as you have to and then some to be successful at what you're doing.

And then because you've put in the work, you're achieving goals, which is what makes you happy. There's people out there that don't want to put in the work and they're unhappy because they're not seeing success but they're not seeing success or being gratified or being happy with what they're doing because they're not willing to put in the work either they don't know what to do some people just have no experience in putting in the work they don't know what it what that even means they don't know what grind yeah they just did they didn't have like one that's one of the things that I think is very important about kids with competition, any kind of competition, whether it's chess or whether it's athletics, sports.

There's something about realizing that hard work equals getting better and hard work equals performance. Like you perform better when you work hard and you learn that. Like extreme examples are like wrestling. Like people go through wrestling practice. Like, like, this is hard to do. And if you can get good at this, you can kind of get good at anything. Because if you can push yourself mentally to deal with the grind of wrestling practice, you can kind of do anything. But it's just if you can learn that lesson early on, though, about working hard. Some people don't ever learn

it they just play video games and eat twinkies and then one day they're 40 you know like i gotta get my shit together wrestling practice like you said being at wrestling practice and doing it hard is hard becoming a good wrestler is even harder because it's not just at wrestling practice like you said it's when you come back from wrestling practice and thinking that you deserve a fucking treat because you worked really fucking hard that day and you need to eat like shit or you need to do this or you get to go and do. It's all of the lifestyle to perform at a high level that's fucking hard, not just the act of doing what you're trying to do. Well, especially when you get to like a championship level and you get to like, you know, all Americans, state champs, national champs. I mean, those guys, there's not a stone unturned.

Those guys are animals. They're doing everything exactly the right way because the competition is so stiff. If you don't do it, the edge between you and another guy who's equally talented but works harder, he's going to get better than you. He's going to bypass you. And you feel it in practice. There's guys that you know are running in the morning before practice. You know these guys are doing the stairs. Those have more gas those guys are more driven and you you

always notice because those are the guys that win in the training room and that's the same with jiu-jitsu it's the same with kickboxing with everything like any the guys who there's there's guys that are like very naturally talented for whatever reason they just have great genetics and they they learn things better but oftentimes those guys don't work as hard like sometimes the really naturally talented guys are a little lazy because it kind of came easy to them they get outworked yeah which the rare ones are the ones that are super talented and also crazy disciplined that's how you get a michael jordan right that's how you get a Mike Tyson. You get crazy discipline and insane talent and insane genetics, and then you're fucked because you're not going to beat that person.

There's only a few of those. It's like devoting everything to just winning and nothing else matters. That's the goal. That's the only direction. You sacrifice everything else to get to that level. Yeah, I think that's not good either right your life is a disaster but there's one thing you do you're the best at that's interesting

too it's competition yeah you either have that competitive i want to be better or you don't you guys make cars like thinking about shows thinking like, SEMA and showing people up? You know, we used to do stuff like that, you know, where you're, like, you're competing for an award. But it's not. You're never looking at, like, I'm going to do this because I want to win this award. You're just trying to make the best possible car you can. And, yeah, it's great, like, at the finish line if you get said award and sometimes you've got some customers that like that you know some some guys are like trophy

chasing or they like parking the car and sitting at the show and you know yeah waiting there for the award ceremony and getting that you know half million dollar car and you get that 50 dollar plaque and it makes it all worthwhile right but no. I mean, we've changed gears like quite a bit over the years. For me, it's the driving experience, you know, making a car that's like so functional, workable, that's just a blast to get in and drive. And it's more rewarding like getting a guy. I like dude comes up to the shop, picks up a car,

and drives it 1,000 miles home. That's better than getting that little plaque at a car show. Because you blew through an extra $700,000 trying to make something over the top. Right. All for that. Yeah. Most of those cars are not drivable at that point, or you're going to be scared to death to drive it. Not drivable?

When you're going to the insane show car trying to win every indoor award. Really? it. Not drivable? When you're going to the insane show car trying to win every indoor award. When you look at our industry When you look at our industry it's wacky. The stuff you see that's so over the fucking top, like those hero cars and stuff, that's not something you're going to jump in

and drive. You're not driving that to work. When you say hero cars, are you talking about those Baja racer things? No, you see stuff that's like... Riddler. Yeah, like SEMA show coverage or the biggest Riddler award, like Josh says. You've got these cars that are like million, two million

dollar builds. Chrome-plated rotors and felt pads. This is like show car, show car. Oh, so you can't even drive it at all? No. It's in and out of the trailer. Yeah. And the tires are all wrapped in saran wrap. So the tires don't get dirty. And what? Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's kind of like going away now. Thank goodness, because of the audience and the, or the customers are changing. Right. And they're wanting to use these cars. Right. But everybody was so focused on chasing that trophy or going to a show and winning that trophy.

We want to go and make a good showing for the company with whatever we bring. But worrying about a panel of judges or somebody judging the car and them deciding what's cool, that would be like you not having an audience and just having Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul saying if it was a good joke or not.

You want you to know that you're doing good and by the audience and everybody be like, fuck, yeah, that's awesome. And we want our customers and you want your fans and people that buy our chassis to be like, that's fucking cool. What would be the purpose of felt rotors? So it doesn't scratch the chrome and stuff like that. These are show car. Felt pads and chrome rotors. In and out of the trailer, man. That's it.

Some guys paint tires so they look black and they look always perfect. It's almost like if you look, and I don't want this to sound disrespectful, but like a competitive bodybuilder versus like a fighter. They're both working out. But this dude's building his muscle. He's not using them for anything other than flexing them. Right. That dude might.

Show muscles. You're talking about show muscles? Well, I guess. It's not using them for anything other than flexing them. Right. That dude might like- Show muscles. You're talking about show muscles? Well, I guess. It's the same thing with cars. You build these over-the-top cars, and all they do is they kind of go up there, and they- The difference between an NFL running back- Right. A super athlete.

That dude's working out because he wants to just fucking accelerate down the field like a rocket ship. Versus someone who just wants to- Yeah. Who wants to like- Just be a mass monster right yeah i just don't understand why anybody would want to make a car that they're not going to drive i just that mindset that doesn't i don't get that at all like there's only one reason to have a car it's

strange i mean there's been some wild stuff like people that like take down the side of their garage or their barn or their the top story of their house and place a car in it build it back up and the car lives there forever it's it's kind of like i mean some of it i get it could be like art you can make something that's absolutely beautiful and it's an art piece but to me it's dude you're building cars because you want to drive them yeah it should be i could see having like a really old like ferrari sitting in one of them rotary things that spins around. It's like an art piece because they're fascinating to look at. Sure. And driving them is probably not the best experience.

Yeah. Have you ever driven like a stock old GTO? No, and I never have. It's probably pretty engaging. Just tons of stock old muscle cars They're terrible you getting a one Corvette that stock could be the worst performing vehicle ever really Yeah, the ultimate American sports car in there We're always amazed that they're still on the road that people don't wad them up in ditches everywhere. I'll do that bad

Oh, so all that stuff you got like the so the Bronco market, you know, that's great like the early Bronco stuff Yeah, because those are that is a popular popular truck And that's one of those things where it somebody sees they just see it and it they just want it because they think it's cool And they think they're gonna drive it right like dude, you're not dry. That's not your Range Rover Okay, you're not gonna drive it but that's and that's just sure that they want to drive it It just physically doesn't perform well enough for going to drive it. But that's – and that's just – sure, they want to drive it. It just physically doesn't perform well enough for them to drive it. Yeah. But, I mean, that's what we do is fix all that shit, you know.

You get that classic look of the car, but it functions like a new vehicle. I have an Icon Bronco. Okay. So, yeah, well, that's all chassis. Same concept. Same thing. Yeah, same thing. But even that, it's, like, so raw.

Like, the difference between driving that and driving a modern, like, a G-Wagon or something like that is a joke. Yeah, same thing. But even that, it's like so raw. Like the difference between driving that and driving a modern, like a G-Wagon or something like that. It's a joke. Yeah. How often do you drive that thing? Well, right now it's getting worked on. Yeah. So I'm getting some upgrades. Upgrades.

What are you upgrading? It's got a coyote in it? Yeah. Yeah. Super charging it. Ooh. Let's go. Dude, that's dicey.

Let's go. Yeah, you're thinking about the Camaro being fucking sketchy. Let's go. I like a little dice. Ally. That's go. Yeah, you're thinking about the Camaro being fucking sketchy. That's go. I like a little dice. All right. I like it. I got horsepower, foot and a half shorter wheelbase. I like a little dicey.

Just every now and then. What do you do with that? That truck's just for like bobbing around town though? Yeah. It's just for fucking around. Yeah. I have a Land Cruiser that Icon made for me that's a real like performance Land Cruiser. It's like really set up for off-road.

Yeah. And it's got a supercharged LSA in it. Nice. So it's got a lot of power. Sure. But it's got those solid axles, and it's lifted. All the good stuff. When the snow came, we had a snowpocalypse, and everything shut down in Austin.

I loved it. My car was like a Labrador Retriever just rolling around in the snow like, yay! It's like, this is what we're designed for. It just handled everything so well. I literally built an apocalypse truck. It's got a big-ass gas tank. Back seats come out so it can be completely flat. You can store things in it.

It's got extra batteries. It's got winches and the whole deal. That's cool. What do you do about EMP pulse? About what? Well, if that happens, does that shut off regular cars? How does it do that? It fries all the electronics.

So it fries the electronics that runs the LSA? Yeah, you've got to have something that runs on biodiesel. You're going down a fucking rabbit hole. Oh, dude. You get into that apocalypse. Josh is building a Model T in his garage. Just crank starting that fucker. Yeah, right? You get into that apocalypse. Josh is building a Model T in his garage. Just crank starting that bunker. Yeah, right?

What would cause the EMT flare? They talk about China doing an EMP flare. They talk about it? Who's they? QAnon forums. What are you reading, bro? Chat rooms. Well, it is possible.

That is the thing about all these cars that are controlled by electronics. It's something to think about. You know, these modern engines, these crate engines, they all come with electronics. I don't know. If something like that happens, I'm just going to go out with whatever the fuck's going on. I'm not too worried about that. You're not running around. Yeah.

I think you get the right idea with your apocalypse vehicle. Look, Jonathan Ward, he does some cool shit. Yeah. It's all icon stuff, right? Yeah, Jonathan's an interesting cat. He is, dude. We had him on. We did a little podcast.

We had him on there. He's cool as hell. He's kind of like a competitor, I guess you'd say, but we respect him. We had him on, and he's an eccentric dude, man. Interesting. He's a real artist. He is. And, you know, what he's doing is interesting, too.

He takes a lot of cars, like you guys do, when you do the Legend Series. He doesn't do anything to the outside of them. He leaves this funky old patina of, like, sun-baked paint and blotches and shit. But meanwhile, inside, it's immaculate. And the suspension's immaculate. And everything drives incredible. I mean, he does that with a bunch of old cars. That's, like, the majority of our business believe it or not like all the dudes that have had like really over

the top shiny cool big dollar cars they all want that find like a old camaro it's priceless right you find a 69 camaro that's got faded old paint and it's unsuspecting flies under the radar but it's like eight nine hundred horsepower, crazy motor, air conditioning, power windows, full chassis underneath it. A sleeper. Yeah, well, there's something cool about that, too, because you're not worried about it getting dirty. You know, like, that's the thing about people walking up to their car with the microfiber cloth and just

pulling everywhere they go. It's like, come on, man. I've only built patina cars because I can't stand wiping down my own stuff after dealing with customer cars. Oh, really? So your personal cars are all Patina cars? Yeah. Really? What do you got?

77 C10. He's got a 76. Yours is a 77 as well. His is lifted. Mine's lowered. We're doing a 70 Trans Am. Trans Ams were a car. The Burt Reynolds days.

Those are a car that still kind of holds up. Yeah. This is pre-Burt Reynolds. This is the 70. Oh, those are great. That's an ass kicker dude you talk about like you know that falls right in line with your Camaro let me see 70 trans 70s white white with the blue stripe and it's it's a rare rare car cuz that's another one it was original paint look at that yeah that's a dope car yeah there's something

about the hood scoop and those cars that just, like, especially the Burt Reynolds ones. Have a lot of people done, like, resto mods on those? Yeah, the Burt Reynolds, that's one of those things where it's like that. Jesus Christ, what is that thing? Yeah, that's a wild race car thing. That's one of your SEMA kind of builds. But the Burt Reynolds ones, so many people have done that. Yeah.

That's a car, the 70, that's a car that like, that proves you can buy cool. Because you buy that, I don't care who the fuck you are. You're driving that, you're a bad motherfucker. That's a cool car. It's a cool car. Yeah. Those old trucks lend themselves to that patina look, don't they? They do.

So I drive a 77, it's a 4x4. It's one of those legend trucks. That's the only- You have a picture of it? It's one of those legend trucks. That's the only. You got a picture of it? It's on the website. Yeah, it's on the website. Well, if you just Google like Roadster Shop legend 77 truck, it comes up. There's a bunch of articles and stuff on it, but that's what I daily drive.

Yeah, that tan one that's shredding the. Blue one's mine. Tan one's his. Where's the tan one? The upper left? Yeah, the down low. Yeah, down there. That's it? Yeah. That's it, just down low. Yeah, down there. That's it?

Yeah. That's it, just getting after it. So what's that got in it? That's a 650-horse supercharged LT4, but it's all independent front suspension, push-button four-wheel drive. Oh, wow. Yeah, I drive it. I leave it outside.

I don't park it in the garage because my kids' toys are all filling up one half of the garage, and that's my daily transportation. Wow, that'ser huh yeah holy shit yeah that thing just wrecks dudes and like you're i drive a lot of cool fast shit where it's flogging customer cars but that truck it's like anytime i drive it there's some dude in like a c8 or some badass muscle car and i just ruin their day constantly in that fucker. Put it in four-wheel drive and smoke them off the line. Well, it's probably pretty light. It's not. Yeah, it's like probably a little over 4,000 pounds.

For a big-ass truck, that's pretty light. That thing screams. That's like a modern Mustang, right? Yeah. Yeah, you're right in line with any of that stuff. Yeah, which is pretty crazy with 650 horsepower, and it's a truck. It's essentially like a 2018 2019 Chevy truck it's got all the new Chevy suspension under it the independent front and the live axle and I

mean it's got the radiator module the cooling stack I mean under the under the hood and underneath it is like a brand new Chevy truck does it handle like a brand new show it's like a brand new truck dude you get 100 miles an hour down the highway one hand on the wheel wow yeah but there's something cool about that like you talked about the Patino and the thing. We've got so many of these customers. We're building a dozen of these things right now for guys we built other cars for. But it's like an old pair of boots or old pair of jeans that you can't buy a new pair that would fit like that, right? Right.

So you're finding these. Like we got one that's like a northwestern Oregon or Washington state park truck. It was that green. And that thing had, what, 20-something thousand original miles on it, original paint. It was a cream puff. Interior is cool. And then another guy is finding one. Well, that's Matt.

Matt Saxon. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Chevelle. That's his. Yeah, he sent me pictures of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty dope.

You're still able to build a one-off car that can't be duplicated because you're finding something super unique and original that mother nature weathered for you yeah and then have something nobody else can have and you're finding stuff that came from fire departments or old ranches i mean guys are searching all because you want that little bit of that story of like nobody's going to recreate this truck that yeah there's my car yeah baby see that thing son what what a sexy car i never get tired of looking at that one well i told you guys a story about why i was infatuated that car when i was 16 years old my friend picked me up in one his his buddy was driving it was his car and i was i remember being in the car thinking how can someone own this how is it possible that this could be like you could you could have this yeah someone can have this this is insane because it was so cool

same exact when for me yeah i guess it was 82 83 somewhere around there 16 yeah i was 83 yeah and i remember just thinking this is the most insane thing I can't believe a person could own this car. It was just so cool. And he ran out of gas. It was really funny. And coasted right into the gas station and stopped right at the pump. I'm like, this is the coolest guy that's ever lived. He has a Chevelle.

He runs out of gas at the perfect time on a hill and coasts into the fucking gas station. Like, literally, we were laughing. Like, filled the gas tank. Like, right there well the chevelle the camaro and now the cuda are three very similar yet completely different vehicles yeah in all ways but you each one of them has their place like i don't know you you feel different driving the chevelle like you want to it's a different state of mind it's that og kind of fucking wooderson you feel like matthew mcconaughey yeah are you are you friends with anybody yeah has he seen it uh no he hasn't seen it i told him i have it though oh that like that shaped my career right fucking movie and that car and then here that's why that car exists

is because of him i mean matt came to us to build one we're like it's it's going black and white dude 100 that's this is what you're getting black and white is the best look there's cools i've seen some cool ones that are silver with black stripes that's pretty cool look good second but number one is black with white stripes for that car there's other ones like the red with white stripes like it's not as tough red with black stripes what was that movie reacher He had a red with black stripes? Yeah. Did he? It's not bad. No, not as cool as Wooderson, though. Yeah. You don't fucking know. Let's just sometimes, like, with a certain shape, that color, just, like, color combinations are just iconic.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, that car, the body lines in the side of it, it's got these, like, cool little hips and eyebrows and the body lines, and the black makes it pop. Yeah, it's just, again, that era where they just figured some shit out. That wacky dude does crazy suits. How do you pick that? You've got the Chevelle sitting there and the Camaro sitting there. What frame of mind are you when you're like, I'm taking the Chevelle?

I don't know. What's the decision process? The Chevelle's the loudest and least civilized out of all the cars. It's the most rowdy because it's out of all the cars it's the most rowdy because it's got that 454 in it you know naturally aspirated it sounds insane and it's so like in the interior of it looks exactly like except for the dash it looks exactly like the original car it's much more of a throwback you know it's like asking what album you're going to listen to yeah it's like what news it's like yes well that's what I was getting at yeah kind of like that one's

my my favorite Matt would send it back to the shop when we're doing road tours or something and we you know do the basic service work and then ship it to wherever he was going and get in and just rip first second third in that car it was just smile ear to ear like fuck yeah this is why we do this shit you did that cuz you're rolling that fucker through the high schools trying to pick up them high school girls, man. All right, all right. Did you have to roll your sleeves up or did it do it automatically? It did automatically when it came in, yeah.

Hair kind of grew out a little bit longer. Yeah, that look of the rolled with the cigarette in the upper sleeve. Where'd that go? That went away. It did. That's probably a blessing. That was like a cool look for guys for a while yeah roll a pack of cigarettes up in their sleeve yeah you should bring it back I've never I've fortunately never

don't know why they ever did that. I wasn't around for that era. You'd think you'd have pockets. Maybe the jeans were too tight for pockets. I think so. I think people were just weird back then. They were just lost. Just showing everybody off that they smoked. They had no internet.

They didn't know what to do. They were just trying to imitate cool people. They didn't know what to do. It's the beginning of modern culture yeah that's as cool as it gets for me right there what's left on the bucket list for cars I don't know I don't know just enjoying what I got right now that's how I'm kind of doing it's like come on I got a lot of cars yeah it's a lot to look after yeah stressful isn't it no no no No? No. Being poor is stressful.

I hate to say it like that. Looking after cars is just a thing. It's just a thing that you do. It's not stressful. It's just a thing, you know? You gotta do things. Yeah, I accumulate too much crap and it stresses me out. It can if you let it fuck with you. Yeah. But that's like

hoarders, you know? Yeah, I suppose. That's the ultimate example of it. You're not there yet. Look at all this shit going on fucking eBay now. All these people that, I mean, even just like iPhone. The iPhone 1 is going for big fucking money. And like all these electronics that nobody,

like those Nokia phones that were bulletproof or whatever are going for big fucking money on the internet. All this shit from our era that we threw out in fucking shoeboxes or it was in the kitchen drawer and shit. How much are people paying for iPhone 1s? iPhone 1s are going for big money. $60,000. Get out of here.

You can find one in a package still. What do you do with it? Just put it on your shelf? Yeah, that's the big problem. How weird is that? How weird is that? Someone would give you $60,000 for a phone that sucks. Do you see them?

Last week they were talking, this is on the news or whatever. This is all dumb, useless knowledge. That's your area of expertise. They were selling the iPhone. If you had an iPhone that hadn't been updated, it still had the Twitter logo and not the new X logo. They were selling those for big money. I swear. But it'll automatically upload if you get on Twitter.

If you've got a broke phone, it won't automatically upload. Then all your apps will suck. Who's going to spend big money for a phone just because it's still got the old Twitter logo? Dorks. The same kind of people that have felt rotors on their cars. There's dorks out there. People like weird shit. I just don't understand.

When Post Malone was on here, he told me he paid $2 million for a Magic the Gathering card. Dude. That's a bit much. It seems like a little pricey. It's a little nerdier than I thought it was.

Oh, he loves that shit. It is. Yeah, when I was hanging out with him backstage after a show, he's like, we're going to go play Magic the Gathering. You want to come?

I'm like, no. But, dude, that's the thing. You guys have a good time. Go to sleep. That's what happens. Like, I remember the Magic the Gathering kids in high school, and you're fucking with them, right? Yeah. But now they're cool.

They grow up to be Post Malone. Like, who's laughing at Post Malone? Most of them do not. The vast majority do not grow up to be Post Malone. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, he's into it. I mean, who knows why people are into it. He's into muscle cars, too.

He's got a crazy Hennessey six-wheel Raptor. It's like a Velociraptor with the four wheels in the back. Man, that's definitely like a statement piece, I guess, is the polite way of putting that. I just don't understand that car. Would you drive one of those? Yeah, if I had one, I'd drive it. Really? Would you have one?

I have a Hennessey. I have a TRX. Do you? Yeah, I have a 1,000-horsepower TRX. It's ridiculous. The six-wheel, though, always just seems like it's the Eastern European villain from one of the Fast and Furious franchise movies. Right, right. From Despicable Me.

It's Gru's car. It's just a little, yeah. He says he can't park it. He says he goes to Applebee's and it sticks out and he feels bad because it's like fucking jutting into the next park. Him going to Applebee's is the punchline of that story. He loves Applebee's. Really?

Yeah, Post loves Applebee's. Damn. I wonder if he gets the sampler over there. The sampler fucks at Applebee's. I'm with him, dude. Applebee's has some fans. You know, comfort food. The Jack Daniel's barbecue.

That's TGI Friday. You're confusing your shitty restaurants. What's a thousand horsepower in a TRX? It's ridiculous. It's so fast. Do you use the power and all you get? I mean, you kind of do. I mean, what it does, it just does normal acceleration much quicker.

Post has a black one, I think. Is it white? Oh, yep, that's it. Okay. I saw, oh, with the photo that we showed of his the other day was black, but it must not have been his, unless he got a new one. But yeah, he's a wild fella. I'm not going to say shit.

He's into some cool shit. Cool fucking dude. Good for him. Fucking get whatever the fuck you want. That's got to be a heavy ass truck, too. That's a lot of weight. That's just a lot of thinking. A lot of things.

A lot of things going on. To be honest with you, Josh has a Raptor. I can see you modding that thing out adding a second set of wheels to it that's kind of your style a little bit they like to fuck with me all the time parking that thing fucking long ways

in front of the shop in the morning it does seem like a waste of time a little bit why not put two in the front too how about three in the front six wheel Raptor I've got a mini giraffe I'm not fucking with a Doberman at that point A little bit. Why not put two in the front, too? How about three in the front? How about five in the back? If I got six-wheel Raptor, I've got a mini giraffe. I'm not fucking with a Doberman at that point.

I'm just doing a mini giraffe. Just a giraffe with his head out the window. Not knowing what the fuck's going on. Have you guys ever had someone come to you with a project, and you're like, I don't want to do this? You know, things have changed over the years. I'll say that. I'm sure it's similar to your career

like when you got first started young joe rogan like somebody came to you for some tv show thing or something yeah sure i'll do that in our youth early days we we painted a fucking car like a lobster for a guy dude it's yeah didn't think we were going i don't have any shame i'll disclose it right he was like 1940 30 something hollywood gram that somebody hot rotted and he's in the seafood business so he wanted it painted like a lobster so we legitimately took this thing and airbrushed every it it looks like a fucking lobster is it online I don't think we put that on the website. We kept that off. Just because you're worried someone else would ask for something?

Yeah. I want mine to be a clam. Yeah, it's out there somewhere. I mean, where we're at now, we've got such a massive backlog of work that you can, yeah, I don't want to do something that, you want to be a little passionate about it, right? Sure.

So if it totally sucks, yeah. Right. We'll kind of politefully decline. That's just not really for us. Most of the customers that are coming that are legit and they want something built, they're coming because they're fans or they're followers. They, again, like artists, not to put ourselves on anything, but they've seen the work you've done previously and they're like,

I want a Roadster Shop version of whatever. Right. Do your thing. Fucking A. I mean, you've been great about that. Like, I fucking want a Chevelle. Whatever. The bad part is when it's a video that launches

or anything that goes up, you get a massive influx of customer emails. Phil has to usually deal with those. And it's the ones that, unfortunately, you have to get back to everybody, treat everybody like the same. But if it's a, I've got a 92 a 92 corsica and i want to do it rear wheel drive with an ls how much would that cost well we all know that that's probably not if you had the

money to build the corsica you wouldn't own a corsica you know what i'm saying right you would have something else you'd be calling about a camaro or something unless you're eccentric rich dude yeah there's none of those have paid. No. Not Corsicas? I don't even remember what a Corsica looks like. It's like the, remember the shitty front-wheel drive GM cars that were like- Have you had anybody come to you and say they want to build something like this up?

Oh, yeah. It happens all the fucking time. It's 10 a week. Constantly. Emails. Basically to change anything from what it is. If it's front-wheel drive, they want to make it rear-wheel drive. If it's rear-wheel drive, let's make it front-wheel drive.

Let's make it all-wheel drive. Let's make it EV. Right now, the EV thing is stupid. Let's EV everything because, or... Uneve it. I've got a Tesla, let's put an LS in it. I know Rich Benoit did a lot of stuff there. But it's always... These guys just want to fuck with shit. Let's do something that wasn't done. in it you know i know rich benoit did yeah a lot of stuff there but it's always i just these guys

just want to fuck with shit let's just let's do something that wasn't done interesting and it's not about because it's cool or let's make something beautiful let's make it usable let's just fuck with it so do you guys have like a large backlog now of people that want to do projects we do yeah i mean on the car build side you know we probably at any given point, we're working on 30-ish projects. And it's a couple years to get something going. Damn. But the bulk of our business, our focus is chassis manufacturing. So we build over 1,000 performance chassis a year.

And that's the fun one where you can take on those projects like that. Like Dude calls it, there's a Brickland kit car that was just in the shop but we've got donks that come through there and step vans delivery van like crazy stuff because your truck somebody else is going to spend work we'll build the chassis somebody else is going to take it from there right and they're going to shop to doing it right and you know what a like? No. You'd look good in a Bricklin. What's a Bricklin? What is it? It's a 72 Bricklin. It was a kit car from the 70s.

SV or whatever. Yeah, they put them on a Corvette chassis. Big bull wing doors and it was a- Oh, God. For drug dealers. Or guys that play Magic the Gathering kind of car guys. No, these would be successful hobby shop owners. Oh, God.

Look at that thing. Successful hobby shop owner is perfect. Successful hobby shop owner is perfect. Successful hobby shop owner is hilarious. That's a hilarious description. Wow, what a gross piece of shit. That thing's awful. That thing's awful. Yeah, but the dude, the cult following.

The shop that's building it and the customer, they've got a vision. They're going to take that and modernize and do a bunch of crazy cool shit. I can see that i've seen people do stuff like that with like uh for with uh ford uh f40s you know yeah i've seen them do stuff like that it's pretty interesting you know like modem and wide body them and that car is tiny that's a tiny little car on which car the ford like the original ford. The original one, not the 2005 one. What is it called? Not F40. What is it called? GT40. GT40. That's a sick car.

Sick car. But a lot of people have done things to those, like taken them and extremely modded them. Put twin turbo engines in them and wide-bodied them and shit. It's just like, wow. Well, Superform performance brought those back so they made it available because you get like an exact reproduction of that car oh really they're

starting with kit cars to do that the original ones are worth millions who does that super performance they do a ton of them sue super super super performance oh okay yeah they do a lot of the cobras and stuff and uh bad it's a It's a nicely built piece, but that's a car you don't need that kind of power in. I mean, that thing's like this big. Yeah, they're so tiny. Right. That's why it's crazy that people are putting like twin turbocharged, 1,000 horsepower engines in them and shit.

Yeah, there you go. Wow. That'd be along the lines of the Porsche you're talking about, just analog. Holy shit, look at that thing. Yeah, they do a good job. So they build a brand new one. It's brand new, built exactly like the original car was built, except the body's not aluminum. Wow.

It's Shelby licensed. It goes in the register, too. And is it all modern suspension? It's exact duplicate of what was there. So it drives like the original car? Yeah, I think they got like a ZF transaxle in them or something like that, which would be like a Pantera kind of transaxle. I don't know if it's coilovers and brakes, but yeah. But that's it.

Yeah. So just some suspension components. A little mild upgrades. And same horsepower as they do in modern motors. Yeah, you can put whatever you want in them. But that's a good example. That's like the Porsche example. Put 500 horsepower in that, that thing's going to be a thrill.

Just an absolute blast to drive. Yeah, and if you went too much, it'd probably be unmanageable, right? Yeah, especially mid-engine like that. It's interesting how mid-engine cars, like in America, all we have is the Corvette, right? That's what we've got now. I mean, now you get the Corvette and you get the new GT, which isn't exactly as mainstream as the C8. Yeah, and I have the old GT. I have a 2005.

That's a rad car. Yeah, it's a rad car. But it's like there's only a few of those, right? But as far as production cars, like the Corvette is is the first time America has made a mass production car. Yeah. You've never gravitated to the newer Vettes, have you? I don't like the automatic. If they had a stick, I'd buy one.

They just don't do that anymore for whatever reason. I just think they're missing out on what's fun about driving a car. It's like Porsche still gets it. Mustang still gets it. But they don't get it when you get up to like the gt500 that was the old thing about the old gt500 you could only get it in a stick yeah yeah I had like a 2011 or something like that it was great that that was a scary car I've drawn all of those fucking great I loved it it was way before trash control or anything like that that thing was just it was super squirrelly super

squirrelly like Super squirrely. Like, around corners and shit. But it was fun. Like, you knew what it would do. Yeah. Like, you could... But it was also, like, just a thrill to drive. The rumble.

It was very old-school muscle car-esque, but with, like, a new look to it. But it handled like an old... It didn't handle like a great handling car. It had a solid rear axle and you know just overpowered besides front heavy tesla what's the fastest car you've owned the tesla is the fastest by far by far and above all the other ones it just buries them all um but i have a 911 gt3 rs from shark works and 2007 GT3 RS from Shark Works. And that's a 2007. It has like 518 horsepower. It sounds like a dragon. That thing's pretty fucking fast.

And the handling on the thing is extraordinary. Yeah, it's so good. It handles so, it's so thrilling. You feel everything in that car. And it's so capable. That was a great car. Those are good wheelbase. Like, square, short.

Super light. Yeah. And you get used to that ass end, that power coming out of that right behind you. You know, it's very intoxicating. It's a totally different feel in the handling where the balance is of the car. Isn't that like a, when that thing slides out, isn't it kind of like a narrow window before it's gone? Yeah, it's tricky for sure. You've got to know what you're doing.

You know, you can't just stomp on the gas when it's sliding, you know. You're not Chris Harris. You know, just be careful. Don't do anything stupid. Hey, what's that Cuda feel like pushing it through those same, you've got some killer windy roads, but what's that Cuda feel like compared to some of those? It handles really, really well. Likeorsches well that's it's big right it's a big car so it's a little different it's a different kind of experience um but it it handles so well for because when you're describing the balance of it with the rear transaxle that totally

makes sense to me because you feel that while you're driving it it's like really balanced you know and it's just glued to the road too it's great kids are wife into them at all they give a shit nope don't like them at all my kids do sometimes they think it's fun but my wife thinks they're just loud and noisy do you think they look pretty they look pretty but they're just loud and noisy damn what about your family? Do they get sick of them? My son's, my daughter's in college. She's always been kind of into cool shit.

But my son, he didn't care nothing about anything car-related until he was 15. And then now it's all it is. But, again, he's, I mean, you know, you've met him. And his, Conor McGregor's still his idol, and he wants to live the Conor life. Oh, no, he wants to be on the yacht. It's difficult to live the Conor life on a 16-year-old budget. It's difficult to do it on a Conor budget.

That guy has to keep making tons of money. That lifestyle is crazy. Yeah, but he's into it. We've been fixing up a little Audi coupe for him. Oh, nice. He's into it and shit. And then their kids are both younger. Both their sons are full blown.

Yeah, my son's a nut with that stuff. He drove with me and your Cuda out to Columbus, Ohio. We're kind of shaking that thing down. And at 12 years old, he knows more about that car and just cars in general than just about anybody you know. That's interesting. He's into it. Yeah. Well, it's fun.

It just speaks to people. Yeah. And for him, for being a kid, I mean, what's cooler than that? Like if you look like kids are playing with matchbox cars and like his dad's building the real ones, like full scale. Do you think we're ever going to come to a time in this country where internal combustion engines are outlawed? I don't think so, man. I really don't. I think you're going to see that come full circle, just in my opinion.

Outlawed or gone away because alcohol was outlawed as well. Yeah. Take California out of the equation, though. But that's what they're doing. It's crazy. You can't buy new internal combustion engines after 2035. And I think this is like... There's 20-something other states fixing to adopt it the same way

because you can do it without a vote. Yeah, it's crazy they did it without a vote. I don't think it makes sense. I really don't. I don't think there's enough minerals in the ground. I don't think they... Just the mining alone that would have to happen and the reality of what happens in that mining like people need to understand what they're talking about they're talking about batteries

like this idea that batteries just come from ferries and that now all of a sudden you have this like zero carbon impact vehicle. Like that's nonsense. That's complete total nonsense. You're ignoring the entire supply chain. The process of what it takes to make that. What is it with people that they won't recognize? They don't want to recognize that. Some people didn't know about it until I had this guy on my podcast, Siddharth Kara, who wrote a book about it.

And he went to the Congo to show these illegal mines like what they're doing I mean it's not illegal there's no law right but they have children working in these mines they have women working in these mines with babies on their back and they're they're mining toxic cobalt and this stuff is I mean there's no protection there's no safety these people are like chipping this shit out of the ground. And that's a good percentage of all the cobalt that's involved in electronics and batteries and cell phones and all the things that we need. And it's not very publicized.

This man exposed it and he risked his life to do it. And he wrote a great book about it. And the podcast was, it was insane. Like listening to his story and how he risked his life to get this footage. And, you know, there were several times where there was men with guns and he got questioned. And he had, you know, a bunch of people that were helping him. But he got out of there eventually with this reality that everybody now is faced with. It's like this is how they get the stuff

that you need to run your cell phone. Stop thinking that you have zero impact. If you're buying this, you're contributing to this. We all are. And we don't want to keep our fucking heads buried in the ground and pretend it's not happening. And to say that everything has to be electronic, slow down.

Where is this coming from? Who's making making it what are the conditions like in the places where these people have to put your phone together what are the conditions like do you know Foxconn has nets around the building because people were jumping off what yeah where they make iPhones they put nets around the building because so many people are committing suicide. They run right out the windows. They're working constantly. They work constantly.

They sleep there. They have beds underneath their desks or their work areas. They sleep underneath, work, sleep, work. Show the photo of the nets around Fox Hall. It's bananas. Look at that. They're nets all on the building. I hope our employees are listening.

It could be worse. You know how wild that is? Like, if you're going to jump off a building, you can't do it here. Get out of here. Or if you do, you better have a good aim. Man. You got to aim for where there's no net. How do you explain that to people?

Like, when you're walking executives into the building. We've had a huge bird problem. We've had a huge bird problem. You know how crazy that is? You've had so many people commit suicide, and your solution is put nets around the building. We've had a huge bird problem. We've had a huge bird problem. You know what crazy that is? You've had so many people commit suicide and your solution is put nets

around the building. Those people just go up to the top floor, fuck this, bang. I want it to be over. Just lock them like all the casinos do.

Just lock the windows. You've got to get to the roofs to do maintenance. There's just got to be better representation of both sides so that people understand. Well, really, we should be making phones in America.

And they should be American made with American wages where people get health and dental and all the stuff you're supposed to get. And you have a living wage. That's what it's supposed to be. And if your phone costs a little more to do that, and if Apple makes a little less, that's how it's supposed to be. You're not supposed to be using slave labor to do stuff. And we don't have an ethical choice. It's not like if you want to be a part of today's society, you kind of have to have a smartphone if you're answering emails and doing business. It's way more convenient to do that than not have one.

And there's not like this very obvious ethical choice like, hey, this company only uses high-paid labor. Everybody has insurance. There's none of that. They only work X amount of hours a day. There's none of that. You get these things, and they're all manufactured overseas. Is it 2030 is the year? Is that what California's law is?

I think it's 2035. Yeah. If they were to do that and say it was nationwide, right, and no new cars after 2035 can be, but they don't touch, I mean, obviously you're not going to be able to do anything with what's existing. Any of the ICE motors that are out there that's going to be existing. It's going to be like Judge Dredd. Yeah, imagine what the cost of like a 2020 F-150 would be worth then.

More desirable or less desirable? I mean, I would assume that at least 50-something percent of the population is going to be like, fuck that, I'm never going that. I'm going to keep buying my gas motors. Well, the thing that always is going to be an issue with cars is charging them. It takes time, right? So you have to sit there. So if you're fully out of juice and you're on a cross-country trip,

how long does it take when you go to those supercharger stations to get you up to 100% again? How long is that? A few hours? I want to be sitting there. Yeah, so with rising crime and having

places where you know people are going to be stuck and no security especially in places like LA good luck with that oh yeah my friend Eddie was telling a story

the other day about he almost got robbed at a gas station and he realized these guys were coming towards him and he got out just in time

and he's like you know how you you've been in your car so many times that you can just you know where everything is. Instantly, you don't have to fumble. He says, that's what saved me.

That I just jumped in my car and I knew how to, and I was just moving already. Crazy. The guy was moving towards him. Dude, that's a little bit like the net scenario, though. Like, what's the problem that we're not solving? Like, why the fuck are there nets? Why are you afraid to go sit there and charge your car at the gas station? Because you're going to get fucking robbed for sitting there for an hour.

Is nobody looking at airline travel and the way planes are made? Doing anything away with doing electric motors on that kind of shit? There's a concept that's currently being developed for a solar powered plane. I talked to a guy about it like over a year ago and they were explaining it and they have, I think they've done a bunch of test flights and they're, you know, about, and it's going to be able to go a long way. I just don't know. I don't know how that works.

You know, I don't, I don't know like don't know how much range does it have? How safe is it? You don't want to be an early adopter. Not when you're in the sky. Like flying cars. You see flying cars, like, yeah, I'm going to sit that out. Give it 10 or 20 years. Keep an eye on it.

How many douchebags are going to fly into power lines? How many people are going to fly into trees and start forest fires? I think when they announced that in California, was it like the next day they also had an announcement for people to stop charging their cars? Yeah, it was like a week later. What a fucking failure. Please don't charge.

That's the other thing. It was too hot and it maxed out the grid. If everybody had an electric car, the strain on the grid would be monumental. I don't know if most grids, the way they're set up right now, would be able to handle that. If everybody had an electric car,

wouldn't that take substantial upgrades to the grid? It's just infrastructure, Joe. We just invest in infrastructure, man. I like how you're saying it. It makes sense. You're so confident. Do you think they're worried about all of that stuff or they know that it's impossible?

That's why you push it out to... it just looks really good on the ballot. It does look really good on the ballot. That's part of the problem is a lot of people have these knee-jerk reactions to very complex, nuanced problems like the environment. I had Mike Baker on yesterday, and we talked about this. One of the things he's saying, the vast majority of the pollution, the carbon emissions in the world is coming from China and India, as the vast majority of it, and they're not going to change. They're not going to change what they do, what we do, we're not gonna put a dent in what they're doing. And there's a bunch of people that think that the way to get us out of this, and the way to mitigate climate change in terms of like human impact on it is actually to build up poorer communities and get them on the electrical system get nuclear power

to these places or so or something and like elevate their standard of life you'll have less pollution you'll have less you'll have less probably you'll definitely have less issues in terms of like health consequences the people that live there and in turn as they become more you know uh sustainable or they live a better life their lifestyle is better you'll you'll have less pollution they just need it just people need to be incentivized like they need to have some sort of like there's places in the world that have no hope and they just burn tires they don't give a fuck right like they're not thinking about the environment they're thinking about how do i get by how do i stay alive i'm back to your point on making stuff here i'm what i don't know the

numbers but i'm wondering what if you were to say in ten years we're requiring 90% of every single thing we use to be made in the USA right so you cut out all that air freight and all that that freight line all the shipping the shipping is huge and everyone's talking about providing jobs if we take if we take all that shit what does that do for the carbon footprint if we're not shipping all those freighters yeah we're building here and granted this is just me like looking at google doing google research but look at what look at what a container ship uses uses in fuel consumption it's insane it's like the

equivalent of like every single vehicle in the united states like in it annually like just back it seems like a huge dent you'd put in it by us making this shit here yeah here that would be a big dent that would be massive there's I mean that's obviously a long-term project unfortunately when manufacturing really kind of got out of the United States when they started shipping and building cars overseas and ruined Detroit. I mean, Detroit just fell apart. That Roger and Me movie, you guys ever see that? Never seen it.

Never heard of it. You never heard of it? It's, what the fuck's his name? Jamie. Michael Moore. Michael Moore, that guy. It's a great documentary, and it's about Flint, Michigan. It's about right after they

closed all the plants down and everybody just had nothing they had nothing to do and just like the city collapsed and all that happened because they wanted to make shit cheaper yeah they wanted to pay people less and it's uh more profitable for them to have uh you know their manufacturing plants in other countries dude it's nuts that was that the one song for whitey the other day yeah you know whitey Morgan yeah I've heard the name we went he was on the podcast and we went to he did a local show and stuff like that he's from Flint and his his dad and granddad worked in the auto and he does a song it was all about it yeah we were talking to him about like Michigan it came up because you

know we go to shows in michigan and michigan's got a very like southern redneck pocket right very it's weird because of how north it is but he talked about all the people from the south moved up there for all these auto jobs and all the wages right and it just it's that area but he talked about the same thing when it when they shut it down i mean it just killed that fuck specifically flint that's where he's from it's a horrible story and they did that because they wanted to make more money imagine knowing that you're going to just destroy thousands of people's lives like instantly i'm not like yeah i want to make more money i'm not trying to put you on blast i I really want to know. On a normal – Let's see where this is going.

On a normal – I like how the kids say that these days. Put you on blast. Well, on a purchasing decision, when you're going to buy something, how big – how does that weigh on you knowing that it's made in America? Well, I'd like to buy everything made in America if it was possible. I would like to buy everything made somewhere where people are paid fairly. if it was possible. I would like to buy everything made somewhere where people are paid fairly. That's what we, that's like what should be the normal ethical exchange for everything.

If you go to a restaurant, you want to know that everyone's being taken care of and paid fairly. You go to buy a car from you guys. You want to pay you for your work. It's a good exchange. That's what I think I like to think about. And the thing that bums me out is if you're buying something that you know is made by people that are essentially slaves. I mean, the people working in Fox, what options do they have? Is there an option to only work eight hours a day? No, it's probably not. It's probably insane. They're using young people to do it too.

It's all fucking sketchy. Is there any American-made electronics? There's no American-made phones. No, I don't believe there is. Is there an American-made cell phone that I'm not aware of? There will be, but we've looked this up before. Yeah, there will be soon. Other electronics is a better question.

That's where we're going to pivot to. That's going to be the Freedom Phone. Dude, it's going to be like a fucking walkie-talkie. It's going to suck. Eagle wings. It's going to be like an eight-year-old android. It's going to suck. It's going to be this big.

It's going to burn your car. I'm sure you've got to plug it in, dude. You remember when those Samsung phones were exploding? They're catching fire and lighting people's cars. Can you imagine being in the head of PR for that phone call? Hey, we've got a problem. I remember when they were making people shut them off on planes. You had to shut them off.

If you have a Samsung device, shut your phone off. I was like, that is discrimination. I've been boarding on a plane and you see the shame of Like the people that don't want to admit They're like hey do you have a Samsung phone and like there nobody wants to be I've unfortunately I've been a Samsung guy I'm an Android guy. Do you do you um? Still do they still give you a hard time about it? No no they don't mean all your friends do because on a text chain You know it's yeah, you fuck it up and make it green.

Why do you want to stick with that platform? It's interesting. Like, people who are real rebels, they stick with that platform. Yeah. I like, I mean, I like the Google integration. Everything, Google through everything. But, yeah, I guess there is a little bit of the rebel fact. I probably would have, if I were a badass shit for a while... Honestly, I never, I never thought you were that badass until you brought that up.

That's pretty fucking weird. Fuck off. That's some serious rebel shit right there. Yeah, green text. Oh, yeah. All my fucking texts come through green. Fuck your blue text message. The thing is, it doesn't come through green on his phone.

Nobody can see. I don't like having the whole everything, like Apple, iPhone, iCloud, all the stuff. You have to have so many. Everything's linked together. It's just a fucking phone. And if I do a Gmail, you know, it automatically. It's simple. I'm probably simple-minded.

That's why I like it. No, you just like it. It's okay. It's two choices. The good one and the Android. Are the videos tiny on your phone when you look at them too? Yeah, they fucking suck. But my videos are great.

But why is that? That's the dumbest thing. But the thing is, Apple's very smart about that with iMessage. Because they just allowed people to send text messages with the same thing with iMessage, where you get full-length video, like they're full-resolution, full-resolution photographs. But nope, they compress the fuck out of that shit. It's like second class citizens. But if you send one to your friends with another Android phone, does it come out normal?

Yeah, it's full blast. You don't know anybody else that has an Android phone. Yeah, you don't even know. That's bullshit. Totally guessing. I looked at his face. I'm like, I feel like he's lying. You can share.

You can go through the Google share thing And it's you know full You know what Google share Yeah remember when they tried that Google plus Google plus This is we don't need other social media That didn't work

That's what's fascinating about social media It's like people just find like YouTube for example Like you don't have a whole lot of other choices No you don't They've tried Yeah It doesn't stick not now they just nailed it they figured it out and they dominate but it's like so simple in a way you just it's just a place we can upload videos right but it's so they've done it so much better than everybody else it's weird we're like trying to create a

new YouTube like good luck good luck people. They're so addicted to just looking on YouTube every day. There's so much to look at. What's the threads deal? It's like a Twitter. It's like a version of Twitter that Facebook built. It looks exactly like Twitter. I think they're even getting sued because it looks so, right? Is Elon suing them?

Is that real? Yeah, they hired, well, I think I read they hired a person that worked at Twitter and they copied stuff. That's what the lawsuit I think is about. Well, that's what happens when you fire everybody. That was an episode. They go to work for your competitor and they know things. I think that was in Silicon Valley, that HBO show. It's the same shit.

Here it is. Threads user count falls to new lows, highlighting retention challenges. Oh, no. How many people are on it now? Oh, this was even two weeks ago. They're down 82%. Whoa. That's pretty typical for a new app, though.

It's hard to retain people. Yeah, the thing is people people are so addicted to like their tick-tock they go from the tick-tock to their Twitter Like it's very difficult to get people to change platforms You're gonna get everybody to change I've stayed off the tick-tock deal. I just think it's too well. Maybe it's a little too youthful for me Dude, you're dancing is fucking killer though. Yeah, I don't watch those videos. I just post them. It's very it's a little too youthful for me. Dude, your dancing is fucking killer, though. Eh. I don't watch those videos.

I just post them. It's very addictive. I'll tell you that. I watch people just scrolling through their TikTok all day long. It's so addictive. You just get constant stimulation, something, anything, dancing, motorcycle crash, this, that. My daughter, she's in college, and she's in the sorority stuff, and that's where they live. I mean, everything is TikTok-based.

It's all about TikTok. And China's tracking everything they do. Yeah. Everything, all your keystrokes. What are they doing with that? Who knows? I mean, that constantly comes up like it's a concern, but what are they doing with it? Well, here's the thing. As technology becomes more and more powerful

what you can do with data changes and if you have a massive amount of data about people's behavior their patterns what they're interested in what they gravitate towards what retains them what doesn't retain them and then all the stuff you're not supposed to have like their email addresses their fucking passwords like their keystrokes it can actually monitor the keystrokes that you have so it could be sending that data so it could be transcribing text messages emails like whatever you got not just on that but also on other devices that are connected to the network so if you have a network and you have devices that are connected to the network. So if you have a network and you have devices that are connected to the network and that network.

LinkedIn and all that. Yeah. Like they, I believe it has access to computers that aren't even like, don't even have TikTok on them. Really? Yes. Yeah. I think that's part of the user agreement.

Yeah. Didn't we read all this? See, pull it up because it's egregious. When you read it, you're like, what? It's so invasive. Where do they store all the dick pics? Imagine the servers. Yeah, there's like a certain cloud.

I wonder if they categorize it. Dick heavy cloud. One of them big storm clouds filled with dicks. This is what their terms of service, right? Yeah. So what I wanted to read is the one part that we i know we read it on the podcast once i don't know where you read it from yeah see if you can get us yeah i did read it off my phone here i'll pull it up hold on i know i got it in my

notes but it's uh you know it's like data is very very valuable data is all that facebook has it's, you know, it's like data is very, very valuable. Data is all that Facebook has. It's all that Google has. I mean, they have infrastructure and, you know, staff and all that stuff. But, like, the big money is in the data. And no one even knew that that was a commodity. Everybody just gave up their data, not ever thinking it was going to be insanely valuable for targeting people, for advertising. Not ever thinking it was going to be insanely valuable for targeting people for advertising.

Is that the biggest concern is what they can do from a financial standpoint versus like a malicious attack with that data? I mean, the real thing is like we don't know what – like I read something about DNA, you know, like one of those ancestry things where they got bought out and someone paid for all the DNA data. That's an interesting one. That's a little fucked up. See if that's real. Because it might have been one of them things where I was like scrolling through

Instagram and it was like some wacky person screaming about something. You always gotta double check these. if that's real i'm looking um but i don't know what what i mean as technology increases you have to think in terms of possibilities like maybe that data is going to be even more valuable and more more personal like you don't you know we don't know like what we're giving up Blackstone to acquire ancestry for 4.7 billion okay but do they but do they have access to the DNA database of all the people that sent into ancestry right what do they have do they have access did they buy the company or did they

acquire the database as well? You know what I'm saying? For $4.7 billion, I'd certainly think that they got all the assets and data. But that's the thing. Do they think of other people's personal DNA as an asset? Is it listed as an asset? Or is it just the business that does DNA testing that they bought? Because it's a very popular business. If I'm writing a check, I'm going to want all that they bought. Because it's a very popular business.

If I'm writing a check, I'm going to want all that. Right, but I mean, I'm wondering if you can sell that. Like when people give up, when they send it in, when they get their DNA test done, are you giving up your rights to that information? I wonder if you sign any waiver. When you scroll all the way to the bottom, terms and conditions, you're just like, yeah, fuck it.

You're not reading the 48 pages. Yeah. Hey, we're going to sell one day. All that shit goes with it. That's the scariest conversation about bioweapons, that they could make a bioweapon specifically targeted for you. Wow. If they knew your DNA. That's, you talk about like the tiktok and china having all that shit you know you have something

like a january 6 that happens right and all the red tape to get all of the you know geo data from facebook and everybody else is like fuck you you know we're not giving you shit you think they can get anything there's any backdoor deals like hey we need work u.s government working with china to get any of that shit to if something were to happen like that they have that kind of relationship to get it in backdoor channels of like the u.s would get the the information from china yeah i don't know if china would have they would have to admit they're taking it and i I think there's been real dispute with TikTok in particular, where the data goes.

I can't get this pop-up to stop. What is it saying? China's the world's biggest face recognition dealer. And then it says in the sub-headline that the U.S. is the second largest exporter. Exporter. And there's a video I'm trying to find

of this, what's happening i said the video was made as though this is what's happening in china right now showing the surveillance it's taking facial recognition and showing you driving down the freeway in cars and tagging the license plates and all that stuff like even how or why that's happening is a big question well they just want people to know that they're being tracked everywhere you go. Then you'll self-censor. Then you'll stay in line. You won't do anything.

And in China, what's really scary is the places that have everything connected to a social credit score. So you have a centralized digital currency, and then you have a social credit score. And if your social credit score is too low, you can't do things. You can't buy things. You can't buy a car. How does your social credit score go down? You've got to be a good boy. Your Google search history.

Yeah, whatever it is. Fuck that. It's literally like your tweets. You're like, what do you do wrong? What do you do right? Did you pay your taxes on time? It's sketchy stuff, man, because you're not going to be a human anymore you're going to be a human that's deeply influenced by the fact that you know you're

constantly under surveillance and you that gives into tyranny and people have control over your life that way and the people that have access to the switch to decide whether or not you get money whether or not you can fucking buy a plane ticket whether or not you get money, whether or not you can fucking buy a plane ticket, whether or not you could buy certain groceries. They just shut you off? I wonder if you're of means, can you buy credits for that social credit score? That's a good question. I'm sure that somebody's monetized.

Make a million-dollar donation and get another 50 points on your social credit score. Jesus Christ. It's a bribe to be able to buy a plane ticket. Yeah. That's our futurebe to be able to buy a plane ticket. Yeah. That's our future if we don't wise up. So many people that just want, they want the government to have that kind of control because they think it'll silence the people that they oppose. They don't realize it's going to come for you too.

There's a real strong reason why the founding fathers set this place up the way they did because they knew that people get in control of things they have too much power and then so they made it like real complicated with multiple layers of justice and that's the that's just to stave off this fucking normal desire that people have to absolutely control the people that are under them that's why kings existed that's why monarchs and that's why rule emperors that's what they've always done that forever and it's just a natural human instinct for one person to want to control everything or one group

to control everything and have everybody so be their subjects i'm glad we can just focus on building fucking cars i'm gonna just keep kicking it old school. You know, we're fucking manufacturing things out of steel in America. Yeah. And I don't have to worry about any of this because I'm not an important enough person that anybody's going to utilize any of that stuff against me. I'm just going to do my thing. It is weird that we're a country that requires so much of our stuff to be brought in. Yeah, on our end, like, you saw it like such a negative change when you started

bringing in like uh steel from india steel from china yeah i mean you'd get some stuff that was just crap right you'd be like we're manufacturing stuff and you're making a control arm for a car and you get a load of steel and you look at this stuff and we just reject it i mean you're only using usa steel because the shit would just tear, rip, break. Really? It's junk. Couldn't bend it. It would snap and crack.

I never even thought of that before. So there's different standards in how people manufacture steel. Oh, wow. A steel air quotes is a broad term. Someone said that to me about the Twin Towers. This friend of mine from New York, he goes, you know what nobody talks about when they talk about the Twin Towers? I go, what? He goes, construction methods.

He's like, who fucking knows if they use the right steel? Who knows where they got that shit from? Who knows if it's supposed to be two inches thick and they made it an inch and a half? Cutting corners in construction and finagling shit. And if they got their steel from a questionable source, I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's all American steel. Maybe I'm wrong. But his take on it was like, bro, like, this is like people like towers aren't supposed to fall that way.

Like, they're not supposed to be built that way either, probably. That was his take on it. Not mine. His take on it. And I was like, like huh i never thought of that before because i know that there are certain construct i'm not saying this construction company certain construction companies that do a fucking terrible job and people find out about it way too late and then you know there's buildings that are just massive buildings that they have to

fucking demolish yeah because they're just built wrong also don't know how good, no matter how good of an engineer you are, if you could have planned for two fucking planes to fly into. Exactly. Exactly. And then the fires and the heat that comes along with that. I don't know if there's like a simulation you could run on your... FBA analysis on that? Dude, was that...

How old were you when that happened? That was... I was 21. I was 19. No, you weren't.'t yeah 2001. i had to be 19. that was one of those moments where i think no one there's like a few moments in your life where you're like i remember exactly where i was when i heard that i remember exactly where i was standing when i was watching the television yep i got a call over and over and over again cnn boom boom i remember my mom talking about it like it was when she remembers as a kid when kennedy got

assassinated the same thing it was like that same kind of focused around the tv whatever yeah i remember i was headed to work and got that phone call like, holy shit. You know what's wild, though? Like, those weeks after 9-11, people were so nice. It was so different. Remember all the sporting events? Yeah. It was just like. Just the pride in the country.

You're walking down the road just like high-fiving folks. Like, yes. I went to see the UFC in Vegas right after September 11th. And this was before I was working for the UFC. I was in the audience and Tito Ortiz was fighting and he came out with an American flag. The whole place went ballistic.

It was just... I was with my friend Eddie and we were like, whoa, this is wild. It just felt so different. It felt so different it felt so different it's like america felt united you drive down the street everybody had a american flag on their car they had those little american flag things that stick to your window it happens that way and i mean it happens that way in your family happens that way in in business it happens that way in any

relationship you've got to have unfortunately that bad fucking thing to remind you the good to remind you the good and everybody comes together and it's like all right we're we can fight amongst each other about all kinds of fucking things but when something bad like that happens you realize it's so easy for people to lose perspective and that's why like the better things get the more people complain it's like people it's so easy for people to lose perspective and not just appreciate things it's human beings are we always want more you know and we never really and then when something goes away like i said about when you get sick you realize like oh yeah once you lose it this is what's important what's important is being healthy it's more important than anything if you were a rich person and someone said okay but you have to stay sick like you have a cold

a bad cold for the rest of your life but you get to stay rich or you could just be poor again you have to take being poor you can't be you'd have to be so fucking stupid do it look at all my money just to walk around rich with the sniffles. Walk around rich and just tired all the time. Coughing everywhere you go. Can't go upstairs. Why didn't the country come together during COVID like they did after 9-11? Well, because the country was divided.

Everybody was literally divided. Everyone was isolated. That's a very weird psychological experiment to run on people. I'm not saying they did it on purpose, but if you wanted to do a psychological experiment on people the best way to do is to isolate them keep them from working isolate them you got people already that are filled with anxiety and then all of a sudden this comes along for a lot of people like it was psychological overload and they were offered up one solution.

This is this one solution that's going to get us out of this. You've got to get vaccinated. And they were telling everyone, everyone has to do it. You've got to do it. I'm doing it. We're all doing it. And no one really knew what the long-term effects were. No one really knew how effective it was.

No one really took into account that these pharmaceutical drug companies have always done shady shit. They have the most criminal fines. They're always getting busted. 25% of their drugs get pulled after they get approved. It's just a wild ass business. And if you ever watch like Dope Sick or if you read anything about the Sackler family and the opioids, like these people,, they make great drugs with great reason. They do wonderful things for people's health. There's a lot of great drugs that really help people. And then there's a machine that just wants to make money. And that machine is in cahoots with the media. And that machine was in cahoots with all the people that were promoting it in the health agencies. And every doctor had to fall in line.

And if they didn't, if they tried to prescribe other things, they risked losing their job. And so that's why people didn't get brought together, because they were fucking terrified. And all the conditions were there to make people more divided, more divided and more scared. And some people still haven't recovered. I still see people with masks on to this day outside walking around with masks on or driving in a car by themselves all the time yeah just people that were already probably like very anxious and very fucked up i like the guy you saw what three or four months ago it's a stretched Hayabusa motorcycle, right? Big ass wheel on the back.

Guy's got no helmet, but he's got a COVID mask on. Guarantee you, buddy, it's not the COVID that's going to kill you. Well, maybe he just doesn't want bugs in his mouth. I'll respect it if he takes it off. Because I would imagine if you don't even have a helmet on, you're going to get some bugs in your face. Yeah, but it's just like the standard paper shitty mask. It's like a cat

when they hide under a table, but you still see their tail. It's like, I see you. It's like, that doesn't work. It's like you're playing a stupid trick. Yeah, but a lot of it, I think, has gotten to be where it's sending a message. They want everybody to know. 100%. Oh, yeah. They're doing the right

thing. I still wear a mask. I see people on Twitter, like someone will declare, you know, I still mask up everywhere I go. I double mask in public. And then underneath it, people are like, yeah, me too. I do too. I was just like shut-ins and insane people that don't want to let it go. And they'll probably mask up three, four, five years from now too.

Okay. Go ahead. But that's what it is. It's like it cracked some people. And those circumstances that it happened under where people were divided because they were literally isolated at home, that just causes so much anxiety. And then you can't work. And then the bills are piling up. You don't know if you're going to lose your house and your business is shut down.

Yeah, we got shut down. We got shut down for like, how long? Six weeks, seven weeks. California was a long time. Fucking Chicago. That was actually the start of the CUDA. That was. We were shut down for six weeks and him and John came in and cut the floor out of your car, built the chassis, built the floors.

Yeah, I watched the Autotopia LA video that you guys did. It was great. Yeah, dude, Sean does a kick-ass job on those, man. Yeah, we were talking about him last night. Like, that guy so obviously loves cars. Yeah. So it's infectious. It is.

You can't fake that. Yep. You know, and that's why his channel's popular. It's like you can't fake genuine, like, appreciation. Yeah, appreciation. He's like a likable dude. Yeah. You like watching the stuff.

He does a good job of the videos, too. He just lets the cars speak for themselves. He asks the right questions. He's just fucking good. Yeah, and when he drives them, you can clearly see that he's having a great fucking time. Yeah, we had some. Dude, that little video he did on the Cuda was cool because that was actually, we had some legitimate pissed off fucking neighbor. That was really cool.

That made for a great video. I did. I was in the car. I screamed at him. Yeah, that dude was fucking pissed. I was not fucking happy. What was he mad about? We're on some like, where our shop's at, like just past the shop.

It's like almost like the country, right? You kind of get on these country roads. And this dude just got so pissed because they were standing on the side of the road filming but it was in his it was his property oh and he was mumbling something about I'm gonna get my gun or put my gun away or like hey shut the up it's this is a it's a public damn road I mean they had stopped and talked to the guy and the guy said you the neighbor he said you can park right there in that pull around so they parked in that pull around because the neighbor gave him permission apparently the neighbor that actually owned the property says that's not the neighbor's driveway to say it's okay and he just instead of

being like hey dude like what's going on he just right came out hot yeah i bet the two neighbors are just with each other it's been an ongoing feud, so he's like, I'm going to get him. Go park over in his yard. In his defense, though, imagine if you're just trying to enjoy a calm, peaceful day at home. And you hear, You're doing these fucking lead foot takes down that road. There's only, what, two or three, right? Yeah, there's two or three. They're loud Who the fuck

Wouldn't like that That guy That guy Yeah that was the one guy We know there's at least one Yeah he's at home Watching old Bonanza episodes Wearing his mask

Yeah some people Are weird man They don't They don't like loud noises I get it though If you're in a country quiet setting it's a loud ass car yeah it is do you like seeing that you like seeing the videos of that car before you get to see it in person or would you rather have like a surprise no i don't mind at

all it's great to see the videos then it makes me more excited to see it when i get it but uh no the videos are awesome you know and the the one that Sean did was great Sean did one of my 69 nova too the one that Steve Strope built me yeah that one's awesome too yeah he's great does awesome shit I'm just so glad that that's one of those things that came out of uh social media that's interesting is like an individual content creator that is just like probably wouldn't get a job doing that on a television show. No. But his show is super successful just because it's genuine, just because he really loves cars and he's a real likable guy.

And he's doing this thing. And it's like he doesn't look like your classic guy that is hosting a car show with coiffed hair on Discovery Channel. You know what I mean? Not a cheesy strip club announcer voice. Right, exactly. Some actor who's talking to you about a 69 Camaro. You know, it's like he's not that. He's just a regular human being.

It's relatable. You've done a lot of shit with TV. Why do you think that TV executives don't realize, especially car-related shit, to get somebody that's legit? Well, because they want to control everything, right? So they want to decide what you say. They want to tell you where to stand. They want to set the scene.

They have like all these things in their mind that they want the show to be in order for it to be successful and their defense. They think they have a model in their mind of what a successful show looks like. But what they, the problem also is they don't have a lot of time to make something successful. So if you're doing something like Autotopia, like, what do you need? You need a few cameras.

You don't need a lot. And you just upload it. It's not that much. Right. If you're doing a television show, you have union wages. You have trucks. You have grips. You have all these fucking people that are moving things around and carrying things, lighting.

And then you have the executives. You have the people that are moving things around and carrying things, lighting. And then you have the executives, you have the people that are at the studio. You've got 30, 40, 50 people that are involved in every project and millions of dollars in the budget. So if it's not successful right away, it's going to lose money. And then they just bail on it. So you have like a few episodes to catch fire. And if it doesn't work, you're gone. and then the new one comes in and then they invest a sizable amount of money putting together some new thing and by doing that sometimes you make good shows when you have a bunch of great people with a good vision but a lot of times you you get too many things that don't work with each other that well and whoever the person is that you wanted to host the show never really gets to be themselves. So they never really get to, like, people don't connect with them.

They don't feel it. It's just fake. And it doesn't feel that good. So you don't like it. So nobody watches it. Whereas you can do a show like, look at Jay Leno's Garage. It's a perfect example. Jay Leno was the host of The Tonight Show.

It's like, yeah, he did a great job. But it was not that thrilling. It was just The Tonight Show. It's like, yeah, he did a great job, but it was not that thrilling. It was just The Tonight Show. It was just this thing. It was mediocre, mildly entertaining. But when you see Jay Leno hosting Jay Leno's Garage, he's great at it. He fucking loves cars. He's so in his element.

It's so normal and natural. That guy loves cars. When he's talking about whatever it is is when he's driving around the car asking Questions that guy fucking loves it and so the people that like weren't into Jay Leno from the tight show days because it was now Clean family corporate television. They love him now. They're like oh, he's a car guy you get the uncensored Jay Leno The real Jay Leno That's the real Jay Leno And that's what you get with YouTube and things like that now.

And what you guys are doing on your podcast, too. It's the same kind. You're just being yourself. Yeah. You know? And talking about cool shit. Yeah, just talking about cars and whiskey and other... Dumb shit.

Dumb shit. Yeah. Guy shit. Right. But people love tuning in to stuff like that. You know? They love knowing there's only a few people working on this. This is not like some massive project that involves corporations.

This is coming straight from a bunch of people. Yeah. And that's the thing that they can't duplicate. That's why news shows like CNN, they just feel so fake. Everything feels fake. Everyone's talking fake and they you know It's a cut to commercial and every five minutes is like what is this? It's like a shitty format You think they realize that and if so, what's their pivot? They're trapped. It's where they're trapped. Yeah, they're making money and

but their Viewership is low as it's ever been's really low, like way down from the Trump era. Well, ads have to be down too. I mean, aren't being major corporations going to get a bigger ROI from going to more YouTube channels or podcasts or anything like that? Yeah, but there's also this interesting relationship between advertisement and influence.

Like if a primary source of your ad revenue is a certain company, perhaps you won't report about things that company does that are bad. As long as they keep advertising. You think that really happens? I think it could happen. I think that's part of the relationship they have. It's not as simple as like this is the most profitable place to advertise. It's also this is a place that if we advertise, we continue this relationship.

And this relationship clearly is in some way influenced by the money that it gets from these corporations. It's not going to openly criticize these corporations that are funding a giant chunk of their ad revenue. So they're fucked. Yeah. So they're fucked. And it's always going to be better to get your news source from someone who's like an actual journalist who's independent. You can get that now.

And that's what people are realizing. That's why cable's like sort of slowly slipping away. When does Netflix have news? That's interesting. When do they? It's not a bad idea right I mean regular people read the news like just like the actual as could be the thing about the news is like you want to know all the news so if they just told you one story

like one story about the wildfires in Maui really they should be talking about that all day it should be like hours and hours and hours it can't really be five minutes right you know can't really be like more than 90 people are dead a thousand are missing back to you Bob today the Clippers scored 100 you can't do that Clippers didn't score 100 right you know it's just like it they you know they don't have the time to give you new – and you don't want it either because people are spoon-fed. They want to know, okay, what's going on in Ukraine? Okay. How's the economy?

Okay. Does Bud Light still suck? Okay. Is it okay to watch the Barbie movie? You just checked all the boxes. Yeah, that is all the highlights. So they can't really go into depth about things, and they can't talk about certain things. It's not like they can just tell you what they really feel about what's going on.

They can't start talking about the military-industrial complex and its influence on politicians. They're not going to tell you all these stories. It's, like, very controlled, and people realize that now. They're not interested in it anymore. Man, so where do you think, like, where the hell do people go to get that accurate news? Podcasts. Yeah, independent journalists who have made podcasts, guys like Matt Taibbi, guys like Crystal and Sagar on Breaking Points,

people that are independent and reliable and honest, and they can give you the information as they see it. The last two are the hardest ones to put your finger on because there's so many fake people who are pushing one agenda and you don't know what the side of the story is and they spin it to whatever direction they want it to go. Yeah, just pure propaganda. And they're allowed to do that now, which is just like one of the things that's really bizarre

that came out during Elon buying Twitter is finding out how much of the FBI had involvement in censoring tweets. And censoring tweets that turned out to be accurate. Censoring tweets about the Hunter Biden laptop, censoring tweets about COVID and vaccine data. And it's just like the FBI was involved in people's tweets. Like how? What? And Facebook, too. It's like, whew.

Dude, I mean, honestly, if you're not listening, like regularly listening to some prominent podcasts, you're not getting any sort of like factual information. I mean, for a guy like me, I'm a hot rod builder, dude. I'm a businessman. I'm not, you know, politics aren't really my fucking thing. But, like, listening to, like, you, Jordan Peterson, RFK Jr., I had never fucking known about that dude, right? And I think he's a pretty fucking cool dude.

He's a very interesting guy. Very intelligent guy. I mean, incredibly interesting. And that's something you would never hear about. Like, that's not going to come up on mainstream news and, like, motivate a guy like me to be more interested in that guy. Well, no one's going to ever let him just talk like that. He told me that over 18 years, no one just let him talk like that. Just let him not interrupt him, not stop him, not try to change the subject.

Just say, just go ahead tell me everything that you think yeah your podcast with jordan peterson i think you said like four words the entire time and he just ran well jordan's perfect for that too i mean he's also in tune right now because he does all these lectures so jordan does these like huge like stadiums his giant fucking places and he's just essentially ranting for like an hour and a half. And he has prepared bullet points and things he wants to talk about, but he kind of lets the flow go when he gets up there. But he can do that about anything and everything.

He's ridiculously smart, like confusingly smart. Sharp guy. But the amount of reading that guy's done, like just the fucking things that he can recall the tips of his finger instantaneously it's pretty stunning I'm still thinking about the Facebook shit sorry

you're talking about the Facebook and the FBI so I've just got this picture in my head like at the Facebook headquarters you've got the dude that's on the phone with the FBI right and he's like alright yeah we're gonna suppress those tweets we're gonna do that? And he's like, alright, yeah, we're going to suppress those tweets, we're going to do that. And he's sharing a cubicle, and this other dude, Mitch, is bitching about the Facebook

marketplace, and Deb is in Nevada, bitching about her post for their vases that got taken down. It's such a huge business. Probably different levels there. You think it's different floors? Sharing the same... They prioritize. It's a big building. But you think about the things that Facebook's dealing with on a daily basis just to run their stuff.

And then dealing with the, you know, I can't believe you deleted my post. Well, there's also weird things they do. Like, I read this thing today, Jamie. Well, I only read the headline. I didn't read the article. I was going to bring it up today. They said that at one point in time Facebook was contacted by the FBI about one of

Tucker Carlson's videos and that they reduced the views of it or reduced the reach of it by 50%. Google that and see what the fuck that's all about. What ever came out on Tucker? What was the real reason

they fucking shitcanned him? I don't think you'll ever know. I don't think he said. I don't think he can. He's probably in the middle of a lawsuit. Probably can't talk about it. But it's pretty wild. You got literally the only successful guy on cable news,

the only one that has a loyal fan base, and the only one who says wild shit. He was talking like he was on a podcast, but he was doing it on Fox. Some of the things he said, like the CIA killed Kennedy, and everybody's like, what the fuck? Is this guy on Fox? He just said the CIA killed Kennedy? I was just looking at your Kennedy framed deal on all the other big shit.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Patrick Bet-David gave me that. Nuts. It's pretty cool. Do we find it? That story? Is it horse shit? I'm not saying either way I just said that's not a I don't know where you saw it so I have to find

I just want you to google Facebook reduced Tucker Carlson's video reach by 50% Not a single thing came up that way it was other articles about different stuff with Tucker's name and Facebook and Fox News and predictions and this and that. There's nothing about the recent research. I should have

saved it. God damn it. That's always one of those ones where I'm like, you'll be able to find this. There's just too many fucking stories out there now. Is your screenshots on your phone just like ridiculous? Oh yeah. And then you try to go back and be like, what? There's got to be something in that that there now is your screenshots on your phone just like ridiculous oh yeah yeah

oh and then you try to go back and be like what there's gotta be something in that that i screenshot what exactly exactly like what is that all right that just looks like you found it i think says hang in there what does it say jim i don't know that's uh i got a biden administration press facebook about censoring tucker Tucker Carlson post federal lawsuit. Yeah, that's it. From July. Yeah. So despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal from the site. So Facebook complied with requests from members of President Joe Biden's White House staff to throttle the reach of a 2021 video by then Fox

News host Tucker Carlson, according to the federal lawsuit. And it says, despite Facebook staff assessing that the video did not qualify for removal. So under the request by the federal government, they decided to throttle a video that they couldn't remove because it didn't qualify for being removed. So that means it didn't violate anything. And what was this video about? So I'm trying to find out what it says or what it was talking about. That's so crazy. I'm sure they've got our best interests at heart.

Yeah, I'm sure we're going down a path where our videos will be throttled forward. Here it is. Mr. Carl heart. Yeah. I'm sure we're going down a path where our videos will be throttling forward. Here it is. Mr. Carlson. Okay. Strategy Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of Digital Strategy Rob Flaherty emailed Facebook executives demanding the suppression of a video segment by Mr. Carlson in which he questioned their safety and asserted that people who had taken the COVID-19 vaccines had sustained injuries and died. Mr. Flaherty also flagged a video by another Fox News host, Tommy Lauren, who said she wouldn't take a vaccine. That's wild. Well, that's true, though.

People did sustain injuries and some people did die from it. That's true. And they got Facebook to throttle that, even though it's true. That's wild. And we paid for that staff of all those people to watch those videos and flag them and let Facebook know, too. Flag them and let Facebook know, too. Hold on. Stop. Listen to this. Then White House senior COVID-19 advisor Andy Slavitt also messaged Facebook executive Nick Clegg about Mr. Carlson's video. According to the judge's Tuesday ruling, Mr. Slavitt expressed his displeasure that Facebook did not remove the video and said, Not for nothing, but the last time we did this dance, it ended in an insurrection. Mr. Clegg, in turn, noted that the video did not qualify for removal.

Holy shit. That's some heavy stuff. Despite the video not qualifying for removal, Facebook officials said Mr. Carlson's video was being demoted to reduce its reach. said Mr. Carlson's video was being demoted to reduce its reach. In an April 16, 2021 follow-up, Facebook officials told Mr. Flaherty that the platform gave Mr. Carlson's video a 50% demotion for seven days and stated that it would continue to demote the video despite it not violating the platform's policies. That's wild. That's just pure censorship.

That's information that turns out to be true that you don't like. You don't want people knowing about it. And so you contacted a social media company and said, the last time we did this dance, it ended in insurrection. This is wild stuff, man. These are fucking nuts. It's just nuts, man. I'm sure they know what they're doing. Yeah.

Have our best interest in heart. Lead us to hell. Yeah, it's very strange. It's very strange that people who appreciate the First Amendment and the importance of it, if you're an American, it's one of the most important things that we have that other countries don't have. It's our ability to express ourselves. Freedom of speech. It's fucking everything. People don't, it's like one of the most important things that we have that other countries don't have. It's our ability to express ourselves. Freedom of speech. It's fucking everything.

People don't think it's everything. It's everything. It's the only way you find out what's true. When people can't talk, then someone can say something that is inaccurate or it's propaganda, and you have no one that can say any different. You've got to take the Second Amendment along with it, though, if you take the first. If you take just the first, people are gonna be super fucking pissed off, and they've got weapons. Right. Exactly.

Well, they're trying to take the second one, too. There's a lot of that going on. Yeah. It's weird times, fellas. Dude, crazy times. Crazy, crazy. Yeah. But, pretty fun. Pretty fun times, too, because it's so wacky.

Like, every day there's something new. A bunch of people getting fucking killed in a submarine. You know, it's like every day there's something, some new craziness to pay attention to. Oh, that joke last night. I'm not going to give it away. Oh, Tony? Oh, dude. Tony's an animal.

He's a fucking savage. So fun. Yeah. I'm super lucky I get to work with that guy all the time holy if you never next time you guys come back into town i gotta take you to kill tony kill tony's the literally the best comedy experience you could ever have it's a show that he does live from the mothership every monday and it's a panel of like uh brian red band and tony who are the hosts of the show, and then professional comedians. And like last time we did it, it was me, my friend Kurt Metzger,

and Post Malone. Like we were the guests. And it was so fun. It was just fucking ridiculously fun. And the show is amateurs, and people just starting out get one minute. And they go up and do one minute, and then they get roasted by the panel, and there's an amazing band. It's the most fun show show ever i shit love to do that and tony hosts that that's like his he's been doing it for like 13 years yeah he's been how long he's been hosting

10 10 because we just did the anniversary yeah 10 years fuck yeah he's funny dude and he's doing an anniversary well he did an anniversary show a 10-year anniversary show that we did at this big theater in town. And then they're doing a New Year's show at a fucking arena. So they're doing an HEB arena for Kill Tony for New Year's. Damn. Congrats to him. Bananas. That's awesome.

Bananas. Filling arenas. That's got to be a hell of a feeling. Yeah, for this crazy show. Leaving up to it. Yeah. That they started in this tiny room in the comedy store it's this place called the belly room it only seats like 70 people that's where they

started this show like 10 years nuts nuts nuts it's wild right it's about i mean bringing it back to you guys like when you first started roadster shop and now being one of the premier builders in the world of those kind of cars. I mean, how long have you guys been around for? Dude, we've been doing this now 20 years. Wow. Yeah. Time fucking flies.

So when you first started out in like the 2003 market, like what was available in terms of like custom suspensions and things along those lines? 2003, I mean, it was a different world. Yeah. What people were interested in was wildly different. So you had a different, you know, different demographic. Guys were into, like, 30s hot ruts. Really? When you looked at, like, aftermarket custom cars, they were like a 1932 Ford, a Deuce Roadster,

something like that, five-window coupe. That's what was the popular aftermarket. The muscle car stuff hadn't really been modified yet so there was like aftermarket suspension for those we were manufacturing chassis for 30s and 40s street rods you called it interesting and it wasn't until like and i don't know probably like 2008 2007. what do you think caused this shift? Do you think it was shows like Overhauling and Rides? You know, honestly, when the recession hit, our entire shop was all 1930s hot rods. When we weathered the storm and got through the recession, there wasn't a single one of those left, and it was all muscle cars.

And it was like a fucking light switch, you know? I don't know what the deal was. It was just a changing of the guards. What do you think? We always say it's like a little bit generational of what was cool when you were in high school or what your parents had. And then there's always like a, Josh put it best, like a pendulum of this is cool, this is cool. We're going to do the complete opposite and it swings the other direction. And you're just constantly going back and forth.

It swings the other direction, and you're just constantly going back and forth. High-end show cars to patina drivers from pro-touring muscle cars into lifted off-road four-wheel drive stuff. It's just always moving. Everybody wants to do something different. It's the counterculture part of it. As soon as something I had even heard, I think y'all were talking about it on Post Malone's podcast, everybody's into something until you find out everybody else is into it.

Right. And then it's like, oh, I've got to do something fucking different. Yeah, but if everybody got into something until you find out like everybody else is into it right and then it's like i gotta do something fucking different yeah but if everybody got into muscle cars i wouldn't stop no i don't think so i don't think they have because there's so many different one there's so many different muscle cars there's so many different styles and ways to build them i feel that way about the ufc too like when i first started working for the ufc when i um i started working for them in 97 i did it from 97 to 98 and then i did it uh again i started working for them in 97. I did it from 97 to 98, and then I did it again. I started working again for them in 2001. But I was back when nobody knew what the fuck it was.

I was doing these shows in 97, Dothan, Alabama. We were flying in a propeller plane, and people were fighting with shoes on. Yeah, buddy. Bare knuckle and headbutts were legal. It was crazy. The crazy times. I'm happy that more people are. headbutts were legal. Like, it was crazy. The crazy times. I'm happy that more people are... I'm not

like, I knew when it was cool. Like, that to me is so dumb. Like, if you like a band, and all of a sudden the band makes it, you're like, yeah, they fucking sold out. Yeah. I don't like them now. Everybody likes them. But the UFC's changed, too, right? All different fighting styles and different

weight classes and what's kind of cool. Yeah, it's just and different weight classes. It's gotten better. And that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's just gotten better. It's just constantly gotten better. The people today are just the best ever. It's insane, like the level of talent. And it's such a pressure cooker because in every division, like in this weekend you have Aljamain Sterling fighting Sugar Sean O'Malley. So you have the best of the best,

like the most exciting contender versus the most dominant champion. And it's just, woo! And that happens, like this pressure cooker in that division, because you've got guys like Corey Sandhagen and Marlon Vera. You've got so many killers in this division. Everybody's just striving to be the champion, and they're around so much talent that everybody has to get better. So it's like the level of competition is so strong in every weight class that it's just this insane diamond machine. The pressure makes these insane diamonds of talent, and that's just off the charts right now.

That's what we've seen in ours, especially over the last 10 years. Our industry is the other shops coming up and wanting better and better and better, which is why we've had to continue getting better on all the chassis and the different innovations that we've come out with. But it's the trickle-down. I mean, you talk about UFC getting mainstream, getting so much bigger. Then you've got the apparel brands, and then you've got the fight gear, and then you've got stuff in the gloves. and you got stuff in the gloves everybody's got to get better at their shit you actually can make a business to support that the same thing in in our industry

where you have we can build the chassis at the volume that we can because of the way the industry is going well the market's there so you can put the time you can put the effort into it you can put the engineering and spend the money to develop something that's really fucking badass it's also great what you guys do for the hobbyist for someone who wants to build their own car like you provide them the actual suspension like if someone knows how to do all that and they have the time in the garage space yeah you know they can actually use the same components that you guys do and do it themselves. Absolutely. And that's a big portion of our business. I mean, a lot of guys, we, and I can't tell you how many, like, home builders we have, that they take that chassis, they take all the same components that we use in a car that maybe we build for you.

The chassis that's under his Camaro. Yeah. The chassis that's under your 69 Camaro that's honestly a father and son could do that swap and chassis install in a long weekend. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, and they take their 69 Camaro from driving like an antiquated kind of death trap to now they've got a fucking sports car, you know? Yeah. Well, I think what you guys do is awesome.

I appreciate it. I'm glad we got to do this podcast. It's been fucking awesome. I've had a blast. Thank you for building the most insane car of all time. You're welcome, man. Enjoy that fucker. I will.

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