The Joe Rogan Experience - #2040 - Eddie Bravo

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

Eddie Bravo is a champion martial artist, founder of 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, musician, stand-up comic, and author. He's the host of "Look Into It - with Eddie Bravo" podcast. www.10thplanetjj.com

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. I went to my first NFL game. Yeah. What? Yeah. Are we on? Yeah, we're up, we're up.

Yeah, where'd you go? The Jets versus the Cowboys. Oh. Yeah. Wait. In Dallas. Yeah, Cowboys, That just happened, right? Yeah.

Two weeks ago? Or last week? Last week. Last Sunday. Yeah, a week ago. A week ago. It was fucking awesome. How many people does that place seat?

That one's probably close to 100. It's amazing. 80 plus, for sure. 80 plus. That place is fucking amazing. Yeah. I've never seen an NFL game live. I'm so into football, man.

I get it now. I'm so into it. Bro, I get it. I'm friends with Aaron Rodgers, and I don't even watch football. Yeah. And Aaron was supposed to play, but then Aaron blew out his Achilles tendon real bad. Yeah, first drive of the first game. Crazy.

All this hype, like the craziest shit. All this hype about Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets. And the crazy thing is they had drafted like a year or two before that. Zach Wilson was like a number one draft pick. He was supposed to be the, you know, the new quarterback that was going to take the Jets to the Super Bowl. But he's had a miserable last couple of years. And so instead of giving up on him, the Jets said, okay, let's bring in Aaron Rodgers. Because Green Bay was moving on from Aaron Rodgers.

They got this guy Love. Eventually, like all the legends, eventually their last couple years, they play on another team. Like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. The last couple years, they go to a different team. And sometimes. They get paid. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot of money. They get paid. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of money.

I get it. Yeah. And then the first drive. After all that hype with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers in New York City. It was huge. And then boom, he's gone for the season. Yeah.

He thinks he'll be back in six months. He said it's usually six to 12 months, but he said that's for vaccinated people. But then my browns you know i'm i'm following the browns every day in the off season undrafted free agents the fucking draft everything really it's practice you're all in huh i'm all in i love it wow i love it it's such an amazing sport like every every player has their own mission. And the quarterback needs to know as many of those missions as possible. He needs to know what's going on. But everyone else, they just need one mission.

They got one mission. Every player, everybody's doing something different. It's incredible to watch. And then there's all these coaches. I'm actually friends with... Do you remember there was a Sports Illustrated article on a football coach that was an offensive line coach that was teaching jujitsu to NFL players to help them in the offensive line? That's Scott Peters from the Cleveland Browns. Really?

Yeah, there was an article on it. And I remember reading it a couple years ago. What would help with jujitsu? Just being able to clinch? Understanding how to throw bodies around? I think so. Wrestling. Yeah.

Wrestling seems like it would help a lot. Touch, feel, you know, balance. But I'm not sure. I need to talk to him about that because I just met him, like, via text through a friend. I had a guy on a podcast. He knows him. And apparently he played football, too. His name is Scott Peters.

podcast he knows him and apparently he played football too his name is scott peters and he you know when he when he retired he started doing mma and started doing jujitsu and fell in love with it then he got a job as he's an assistant offensive line coach for the browns and uh he's all about teaching them jujitsu wow pretty badass well i'd imagine those guys are all badasses they want to learn jujitsu who doesn't want to learn jiu-jitsu? Yeah, yeah. Who's going, nah, I don't want to learn that shit? A lot of people, actually. They just don't want to get strangled. Yeah.

They don't want to start out as beginners. The same thing happened to the Browns, though. Second week, on paper, the Browns look like a playoff contender for sure, on paper. But everyone, you know, it's all about how you execute and how it all gels. But the one constant that we have, we have the best running back in the game nick chubb best running so he rarely ever gets hurt you know we needed we needed some wide receivers we needed some defensive linemen we got all new defensive linemen except for miles garrett uh and um new new defensive coordinator but we always knew nick chubb You know we got the best running back in the end the game probably ever his average is five point for a carry

That's you guys like top three in NFL history. It's incredibly so good Second week Monday Night Football his leg fucking break. So it was so gruesome. Is that the one when it broke at the knee? Yeah, oh I saw that. Yeah. Oh, they didn't show the replays. They didn't show the replays. Oh, I saw it online. They showed it online. Oh, my God. It was horrible. Yeah. That was devastating.

I got sad. Like, it was, like, for two or three days, I was like, oh, my God, I spent all this fucking time, and now we just lost our best player? Fuck! But they came back the next week, which was yesterday, and dominated the Titans. So they- They adjusted. Titans. So they adjusted. Yeah. And they're all doing it for Nick Chubb.

They're all like, no, don't worry about it. I guarantee you that, you know, it used to be that if you got like an ACL injury, you were never coming back to any sport. And now MMA fighters get ACL injuries all the time. And they get rehab and then they come back and they're good to go. all the time and they get rehab and then they come back and they're good to go. I guarantee you in the future, they're going to be able to regenerate tissue in some wild way where those injuries are just going to be commonplace. No big deal. Just fix you.

I hope so. Apparently, he just, apparently, it looks like everything would have ripped, right? The PCL, the ACL, everything. But apparently they're saying it was just the MCL. What? And that it's not that bad. Show that again. Can we see that? I wouldn't see it. They didn't show the replayL. What? And that it's not that bad. Show that again. Can we see that?

I wouldn't see it. They didn't show the replay, and I wouldn't even see it. There's a still frame. Oh, oh, oh. It's pointed forward, and his body's sideways, and the knee is bent at the wrong angle. Oh, shit. Oh, my God.

It's the same knee he injured in college. And look at him, chilling. No, that's him. He was screaming. I'm sure, but right there, he looks him. He was screaming. I'm sure. Right there, he looks pretty calm. I'd be fucking crying like a baby. No, yeah, I think he's crying.

Oh, look at him right there. He's screaming. Screaming. But the amount of pain he must have been in there. Agony. Look at that shit. He also knew. He knew what was about to happen, too.

Like, he just did this rehab a couple years ago. Oh, no. So, same knee? See this one right here? Oh, Jesus, that's him? That's him in college. Oh my God. So it was probably already weak. Well, again, he's the baddest. Oh my God.

He's the fucking condenser. Oh my God. Oh my God. In the NFL, he's known for his work ethic in the weight room. He's like, what does he squat? Something ridiculous, Jamie? He always puts up videos where he's squatting like ridiculous 675 here 675 jesus christ how much can you what's your max i don't know oh my god that's him that's bro i watched this guy um who was doing that and both his legs exploded you know those instagram clips? There's so many Instagram. Tom Segura and I, every day when I wake up in the morning to take a leak and I check my phone, Tom Segura is sending me some fucking horrible video.

We share horrible videos to each other. It's like I'll show you the thread. We got an ongoing thread of me and him, just the worst shit we can find online. We send to each other. And every day I get nervous every time I open up my phone. It's all fucking, it's all like, yeah, I sent him this one today. This guy's brakes failed.

I sent you this, Jamie. This one's horrible. There's so many videos like that. Have you ever seen more people die than on Instagram lately? What do you mean? Oh, death? Death. Oh. I've seen more people die than on Instagram lately? What do you mean? Oh, death? Death. Oh. I've seen more people get shot,

more people get run over by cars, more people get gored by bulls, more people get bit by alligators. Yeah, I saw... Look at this one. Brakes failed. Boom! Look at this. How insane is that, dude? Fuck. Fuck! That that, dude? Fuck.

Fuck. That could happen at any time. At any time. I think about that all the time when I'm on the highway. You know, when I come home from the mothership, at nighttime in Texas, that's when all the truck drivers are on the road. And so when I come home, sometimes, like, we're the only car on the road. It's, like, all trucks. It's all semis.

And one time there was some sort of a traffic thing. So the opposite side of the road, all the traffic was shut down. And it was hundreds of semis, hundreds. I'm like, I guess they just drive at night. Like, when there's going to be no traffic, that's when they can make the most time. That makes sense. It makes sense. But it's like one of those fucking dudes is not paying attention or their fucking Adderall runs out or whatever.

They fall asleep at the wheel and you're done, man. You know, a video I just saw was a couple, male and female, like off to the side of the road on the freeway and they're like i don't know they broke down and this tire got loose and was coming and rolling down and went right into the chick it was horrible man it was horrible man have you seen that jamie that one's that one take people out man they take people out because they. They take people out. Because they pop off sometimes. People don't check their fucking lug nuts. Yeah. Do you see that one lady who was driving on the highway?

She was on pills. And the cops pulled her over and she had no wheel. Her right passenger side front wheel was gone. And she's driving on the brake. So she's got her rotors and it's just sparking. And she's just like this. She doesn't even know anything's wrong. And the cops pull her over.

And they're like, what the fuck are you doing? It's like, what? What's going on? And they're like, are you on pills? It's like, no, I'm not on pills. Like, she's clearly on pills. And you got to think, like, how many people out, you know how many people are on oxys, right? Yeah.

How many people are just driving around on pills? How are those still legal? Incredible. Incredible. But meanwhile, marijuana isn't. Meanwhile, mushrooms aren't. Yeah, they're trying to get, I keep seeing that they're still trying to get weed off schedule one.

Yeah. I mean, it seems like it's close, right? Yeah. You would think that they would just make that happen already, because state after state after state is legalizing it, right? What's the state of weed in Texas? Texas, it's decriminalized in Austin. It is illegal in Texas. Bro, they arrested Willie Nelson.

That should be against the law. And Tommy Chong. Yeah, but Willie Nelson. Tommy Chong was a different one. Tommy Chong was a different one. Tommy Chong was a bad one because what they, and I talked to Tommy after it happened. He did my podcast. This was a long time ago.

They got him in Florida, and all he was doing was selling bongs. He was selling bongs. But if you sell bongs in Florida, it was drug paraphernalia. And so they threatened his family because it was a family business so tommy's like i'll go to jail so tommy went to jail for them and then afterwards i think they drug tested him for a long time i think part of the you know the conditions of his parole was that they had to randomly drug test him so he couldn't smoke any weed for a long fucking time. Now he's selling weed.

And how much time did he do? Did he do time? He went to jail, right? He did time. I think Tommy Chong I want to say he did two years. Damn. Let's find out. Find out how much time For weed? Not even for weed, Eddie. For fucking bongs.

Yeah. That was just half-baked. For weed! Yeah, it's pretty wild that in 2023 it's still illegal. It's pretty wild. It's pretty damn legal in California. It should be. It seems like you could just smoke weed anywhere.

Yeah, Vegas too. That's what's wild. Vegas? Bro, there's people in jail for smoke weed anywhere. Yeah. Vegas, too. Yeah. That's what's wild. Vegas? Bro, there's people in jail for life in Vegas. Still. In the 1970s, if they caught you smoking weed, they'd put you in jail forever. What does it say here? Nine months. Nine months in federal prison, a fine of $20,000, forfeiture of $103,514, and the loss of all

merchandise seized during the raid on his business. Fuck. Scary. Nine months for bongs. And what year was that? 2004. Three and four, yeah. Damn. 20 years ago. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's not right. It doesn't make any sense. And they got to know it now. It's a slow trickle before things become legal. But I thought the Biden administration was that was a part of their thing that they ran on that they were going to decriminalize marijuana. Yeah, that's that's one democratic issue that I'm with. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I'm with it. I'm with it. And you know, in other States, like I believe in Oregon, they've decriminalized mushrooms. What have they done with Oregon? Oregon with mushrooms? I think they, I think Oregon might

have decriminalized everything. I think Oregon is a wild state. I think they might have decriminalized literally everything. I think they decriminalized steroids. I think they decriminalize everything. I think Oregon is a wild state. I think they might have decriminalized literally everything. I think they decriminalized steroids. I think they decriminalized mushrooms. I think they decriminalized fucking everything. Do you know in Vancouver, you can buy, they have a place called the Drugs Store, and you can go in there and buy tested drugs. So you can go in there and buy tested cocaine. So you can go in there and buy tested cocaine.

It's a brick and mortar store. And this guy is apparently testing the boundaries of the law. I mean, what a, but I would think that's a trap. If I was walking into that drug store, I was like, you got cocaine.

You have cocaine, pure cocaine for sale. Yeah. You wearing a wire, bitch. Like what the fuck is going on? How are you, what are you doing? You're selling, I'm going to buy cocaine from you in a store?

Going to use my credit card? I can? Like, what is, see if you can find that, the drugs store. I think it might have been shut down because the owner died from a suspected fentanyl overdose. Ah, whoops. It wasn't taking his own product. It's a sure shutdown 24l overdose. Ah, whoops. He wasn't taking his own product. It's an insurance shutdown 24 hours later. Oh, wow.

Yeah, they might have killed him. But I don't know. I bet like some rival drug dealers are like, hey, man, fuck you. If he died from fentanyl, I don't think the government would have poisoned him with fentanyl. Yeah, the fentanyl thing is crazy. Crazy. How could anybody want to do coke knowing that shit's out there?

I think they have tests. But if you're one of those dudes who's partying, you're doing coke, you're not going, hey, you guys have a test? This also wasn't like a real store. It was a pop-up shop. Oh. Like mobile, like almost a bus or something. I thought it was at a brick-and-mortar store.

It says after parking his 24-foot camper on Main Street between Hastings and Cordova, he made his first decision. I think he was doing it. I mean, it does show people walking in and out of a building, but it might have just been vacant and they just kind of walked in. I don't know. You know what's crazy? I was just in Japan, and you don't ever have to worry about any kind of crime.

Isn't it wild? Japan's amazing. There's no crime. But, you know, it is. That is definitely, and it's so clean. They clean everything. Everybody's super nice. You know, everybody.

But you can't have a gun. Right. Yeah, they got everybody under control. Yeah. But I was there for Quintet. And Quintet is a team jiu-jitsu tournament. It's amazing. Sakuraba, the pride legend, that's his show.

But this time. Does he still grapple? Yeah. He's on the team. He's got a team. How's his knees? I don't know. Does he wrap them up like mummies still?

He doesn't really speak English. So we have a hard time uh he's awesome i fucking love him we just do like jokey stuff whenever i see him because he's like a clown yeah he's so funny yeah but but so quintet decided to co-promote with k1 you didn't know this no Dude, you're a kickboxing fanatic and you didn't know K1 brought back the heavyweight absolute tournament? I heard they were doing that but I didn't know they did it.

They brought it back. And guess who they wanted to commentate? You? I'm like, why would I commentate a kickboxer? That's like me commentating on football. Exactly. Exactly. Same thing. And they asked me because they co-promoted and kick but like that's like me commentating on football exactly exactly same thing and they asked me because they co-promoted and and it was like in this arena where they had two stages the k1 stage and the quintet stage and they kind of merged together and k1 was during the day it

started like at noon and then after k1 was done then it all shifted over here on the side and to the quintet side. That started like at six or something. But they asked me if I wanted to commentate the heavyweight tournament. I'm like, I know nothing about. The only thing I know about kickboxing is the old school K-1, like Peter Aerts. I met him. He was there.

Jerome LeBanner. Yeah. Ernesto Hoost. Yeah. Ray Sifu and all those guys. And Semmy Schilt. Yeah. The old school K-1 on the classic ones where dudes are getting shut off left and right left and right and this one was Cuz apparently they hadn't done The absolute heavyweight tournament that the eight-man won in a while

They've been sticking to k1 max like lightweights and middleweights and there's some bad motherfuckers So I I don't pay attention to kickboxing kickboxing also i wouldn't even know what k1 max was i learned all the shit while i was there and so um they had an eight man absolute tournament all new guys and dude there was this fucking six foot eight chinese dude straight coming coming out with the CCP flag and everything. Looking like Chinese Ivan Drago. What does he look like? I mean, what's his name?

He fucked everybody up. Really? He fucked everybody. Pull up a video. Dude, his name is like, um, Say Lou, something like that. We'll find out. Scary. Not this guy.

That's him. That's him right there. Damn, that guy's huge. He's like six, seven, six, out. Scary. Not this guy. That's him. That's him right there. Damn, that guy's huge. He's like 6'7", 6'8". Wow. He fucked everybody up, dude. Oh, my God. Look at the size of that guy.

With leg kicks. He got incredible footwork. Look at the size of his fucking legs. Look at his quads. Dude, he claims wushu. Oh, of course. But it's kickboxing. Of course.

He's doing kickboxing. But that's a good move if you're from China. Claim wushu. Oh, of course. But it's kickboxing. Of course. He's doing kickboxing. But that's a good move if you're from China. Claim wushu. Yeah. And he didn't show up to the press conference. It was a big mystery. Oh, interesting. And there was a guy from Italy, this guy.

They call him the grizzly bear. He ended up fighting him in the finals. That guy, the grizzly bear, had insane power. Dude, he was fucking people up. Is this the grizzly bear? That's the grizzly bear. the grizzly bear, had, like, insane power. Dude, he was fucking people up. Look at this, the grizzly bear. The grizzly bear's got the beard. See if you can find a video of the actual fight, Jamie. I love it.

You know, I put a post up on Instagram the other day after the Rod Tank fight on 1FC, because Matt Brown posted it, like, how is Muay Thai not the biggest sport in the world? And you watch this insane fight they had on 1FC. And I was like, I think that has the most untapped potential of all the combat sports. Because obviously, boxing is huge. MMA is huge.

How the fuck is Muay Thai not huge? Yeah. It's so exciting. Yeah. And this one fight. With MMA gloves, too. With four-ounce gloves. huge yeah it's so exciting yeah and this one fight with mma gloves too with four ounce gloves um jamie see if you could find that fight first what was it i'm sorry all right it's on my instagram it's like uh two two three posts ago and it it's this war that these guys had in Thailand.

So they did a one FC in Thailand. And they had... Here, I'll fucking... You got it here? I mean, so it's Rod Tang versus Superlek. And it's a fucking war, dude. I mean, these guys are going... Give me some volume so you hear this.

It just happened? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, these are two of the very best Muay Thai fighters in the world, and they're fighting with these little tiny MMA gloves on, which is a wild move that 1FC is doing. I mean, everybody who watches MMA, look at that! Drops Rod Tang. That's

crazy. Incredible fight, dude. Just fucking incredible fight. These guys are cutting each other up with elbows, knees to the body. And they're two elite of the elite in Muay Thai. And they're going to war with the little gloves on, man.

I mean, it's a fucking wild-ass fight. Like, look, everybody loves stand-up. When you're watching MMA, sometimes when people clinch, people go, oh. They want to see the crazy wars. These are the crazy wars all the time. That's the whole fight is crazy wars. Like how is that not big? I brought it up with Dana.

And I said, dude, I know you guys are into the slap fight thing, but I think like the thing that's untapped is kickboxing. And he was like, ah, but nobody liked that, that PK karate. I'm like, bro, that was in the 1980s. That was literally, they used to call it the kick of the 80s. Remember? Yeah. Bad Brad Hepton. It just needs to be marketed different because there's always been kickboxing.

We've always had kickboxing. We had Glory. We had K-1 forever. But it didn't ever reach the heights that it was capable of reaching. It could have with Glory. Glory was very, very high level. And they tried it for a while. How could they do it to take it to the next level?

The UFC machine. Put the UFC machine behind it. If they put the UFC promotion machine behind high-level kickboxing and got just fucking, hey, we're going to sign the biggest fighters in the world. We're going to have UFC kickboxing. So here's this gigantic Chinese guy. This is the final against the grizzly bear. Look at the size of that grizzly bear.

Oh, look at that. He's fucking his legs up. And this guy's 6'8"? Yeah. Oh, he's good, man. Oh, chopping those legs down. I think he beat all three opponents with leg kicks. They couldn't take it.

Damn. So they're trying to reboot it and start a whole new... Beautiful. Absolute K-1. How do you say his name? I forget. L-I-U-C-E. Luce.

Luce? Yeah. Luce. I'm pretty sure. But what really, dude, I was so entertained. I was so into it. And I didn't know any of these guys. You know what did it for me?

Was the tournament. It's the tournament. First round, I didn't know any of these guys. You know what did it for me? It was the tournament. It's the tournament. First round, I didn't know any of these guys. That second round, though, I was like, I know these guys. Shit, that guy's going to fight that guy. And then the final, boom. Oh, shit, Grizzly Bear. I was so into it.

I was commentating with Michael Chiavello. That guy's insane. He's so good. And when I say insane, I mean he's insane good. Dude, he's so good. He when I say insane, I mean he's insane good. The big kabosh! Dude, he's so good. He is an encyclopedia of boxing. And MMA. And MMA. He knows fucking everything. Everything. Dude, I was

so impressed with him. He used to be the guy for 1FC. I don't know what happened. It fell apart. He left 1FC. Sometimes things happen. Yeah, sometimes things happen, but he's a fucking man. Yeah, he's so good, man. And that tournament. He's a good dude, too.

Man, it got me into it. Like, I'll watch the next one. As long as it's in tournament form, that's the key, man. That's what got everybody into the UFC is the tournaments. The UFC should hire Michael Chiavello and do a fucking Muay Thai card. Dana, I'll commentate. You heard me. I'll fucking commentate it. Let's go.

Is Dana a fan of kickboxing though? Does he follow it? Dana's a fan of whatever works. He's a fan of fights. He just thinks that for whatever reason that kickboxing never caught on in America. And I think it's because of that PKA karate shit that they have in the 1980s. But dudes were wearing fucking

long pants. They couldn't kick the legs. It's a different sport man and there were some great fighters that came out of that guys like rick rufus and but it's just it's a different sport if you look at the fights on one fc and you look at the fights and you know like the classic k1 fights like my god how is that not exciting it's so exciting and if they have a fight with the little gloves on like k K-1 does, or like 1FC does, if Dana decided to get behind that, God, it would be huge. Muay Thai.

UFC Muay Thai. Now, um... Fuck yeah. Dana, I'll commentate! Let's go! I'll promote it! Do you think tournaments are still possible? I mean, tournaments?

Because tournaments aren't possible in MMA because they say it's too brutal. But kickboxing is way more brutal. Well, you remember when we went to see Joe Schilling fight in LA? Yes. Last Man Standing, that glory. I think Joe fought three times that night. Yeah. Which is crazy for a kickboxing fight.

Yeah. He fought Artem Levin. Who else did he fight? God, I don't remember who he fought. I don't remember everybody he fought that night. But God damn, that was a war. That was crazy. That's crazy.

Yeah, I remember meeting Gene Simmons there. Oh, yeah. And the first time I met him, I embarrassed myself. You told that story. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, I'm going to be cool this time. He probably didn't remember. Luckily, that guy's met a billion people. Oh, dude. Come on, man. You want a little cigar?

Sure. Ron White gives me these. They're little baby cigars. I'm not a big cigar guy, but let's... They're basically like a cigarette. It's just like pure tobacco. No, you just puff on it. Just take a little puff.

What do you think of bare knuckle? I love it. I love what Jorge Masvidal is doing. The bare knuckle MMA fights. I love it. Because that's what I think MMA should have been all along. Why can you have bare elbows? Why can you have bare knees, bare shins?

A shin to the face is okay, but you have to protect your knuckles. The only thing that does is prevent cuts. And one thing it also does is protect your hands because you can't really go off like you can. thing it also does is protect your hands because you can't really go off like you can with bare like bare knuckle guys are more they're more cautious about where they hit yeah they're more precise they have to be more precise they break their hands i think on paper bare knuckle is way better than like traditional boxing you know can you imagine i mean if you asked if you did a poll and you asked uh if what would you rather watch um uh floyd mayweather versus pacquiao four or whatever it is bare knuckle

or regular boxing i bet a lot i bet most people would say bare knuckle well a lot of people that go over to bare knuckle are surprised at like how little protection you have and how much it hurts like that's where mike Mike Perry fucking shines. How's he doing right now? Killing it. He's killing it? Killing it. Fucked up Luke Rockhold in his last fight, made him quit,

knocked his teeth out. Luke's like, enough. Dude. He's fucking everybody up because he's such an animal. If you're tough, and there's not a tougher human being alive than Mike Perry. He's uniquely suited for bare-kn mike perry he's like uniquely suited for bare knuckle fighting because he's just such a fucking savage he's willing to kill or be killed

like legitimately he's not no fear he goes in there kill or be killed and he's good man he knows how to fight bare knuckle he's clever who do you think in the that's currently in the ufc is probably going to end up doing great in bare knuckle that's a good question chris camozzi just fought he just fought that dude the juggernaut who's the um i believe the middleweight champion in bare knuckle fc and the juggernaut beat him um it's uh the thing about it is man it's different it just different. When you're just getting knuckles in your eyeballs and knuckles in your face, it fucking hurts more. It's more dangerous. Yeah, it cuts you up way more.

You're losing teeth. You get hit with a knuckle right here, that tooth's gone, son. Even with the highest level mouth guards? Helps a little, but really you'd probably need a crazy thick mouth guard. You'd probably need something different. But even then, it's knuckles. You're getting that bone of a bony-. But even then, it's knuckles. You're getting that bone of a bony-ass knuckle, and it's going right here.

It's going to fuck your teeth up, man. Now, K-1, they don't allow you to do the plum clinch and hold their head and throw multiple knees. You could only hold it, like, real quick. Right. What do you think about that? I don't think that's the way to go. I think elbows. One, they allow them to hold the clinch longer? Yeah.

One is Muay Thai. Like that fight, that was Muay Thai. They can clinch. They can elbow. I want them to be able to use everything. Yeah. All the tools. Yeah.

All the weapons. Why not? And let them do it with those little gloves too. Yeah. You know, because the big gloves, the thing about the big gloves is you can offer a shield. Like if you ever watch Badr Hari fight, he fights like this. So it's a shield, right? You have this big 10-ounce glove.

It covers. It's cushioned. And you're fighting like this. Like in Alistair, when Alistair was fighting in K1, they all fought like this. But you can't do that with those little gloves because the little gloves sneak around. And you can't do that even more so with bare knuckle because bare knuckle really sneaks around there's no protection it'll just slide off the fist right into your face exactly and mike perry has developed a style where he holds his hands like real rigid like this yeah it's different like he he knows he's adapted to bare knuckle and he also has had several fights

so he knows what to expect so if you're're Luke Rockhold and you're fighting Mike Perry, this is your first bare-knuckle fight, you never fought bare-knuckle because you certainly aren't fucking training bare-knuckle. You can train MMA with MMA gloves on, right? You can't really train bare-knuckle, right? You got to wear gloves. So that first experience of getting a knuckle in your eyeball

and a knuckle on your nose where your nose gets just fucking splattered all over your face, it a different experience yeah man there's so many different um sports now uh fighting sports you know there's so many there's a bare knuckle regular boxing even even regular collegiate wrestling is getting bigger you know that's getting bigger people are starting to i'm watching i never really watched wrestling but now i'm watching i i didn't realize and and i wrestled a couple years and i didn't realize how fucking uh it much how much it evolved there's so much shit in wrestling there's so much it's like everything else. It's like everything else. Yeah. It's like everything else. All these combat sports evolved. Yeah.

There's just so many different ways two bodies that are clenched up and mangled up can go and do. It's so crazy. It is crazy. Yeah. I mean. And they're so technical now. Guys are so good. Well, you know my favorite shit.

Combat jiu-jitsu, man. I'm not promoting combat jiu-jitsu because someone has a gun to my head. You know what I mean? I'm trying to create or just take what has worked. Like the 16-man tournament, that's the best shit. 16-man tournament, that was UFC too. That's why everybody got hooked to the UFC. In combat jiu-jitsu, it's great. Because the 16-man tournament is that was UFC 2. That's why everybody got hooked to the UFC. In combat jiu-jitsu, it's great.

Because a 16-man tournament is a super fight factory. It just makes the super fight. It's just a game. And you don't have to know any of the fighters. Nobody knew anybody from the UFC. UFC 2, I didn't know anybody that was a boxer, a kung fu guy. You see him win the first round, and then you go, you're excited now. You just got to pay attention to the first round and accept that you don't know these guys

and know that by the time you get to the finals, you're going to know these guys very well. Could you imagine if somebody brought the UFC back old school? Like bare knuckle, old school, you could wear a gi, do whatever the fuck you want. 16-man tournament. 16-man tournament, no weight classes. Remember the Russian one that was 32-man? No. Dude, there was a Russian one, and Igor Vovchanchin won that one.

Of course he did. Remember that shit? I love that guy. And he fought that huge Brazilian. They called him Ricardo Morais. Ricardo Morais. Remember that guy? He's like 6'8".

Giant. And he got to the finals against Igor Vovchanchin. And to be honest, maybe the Brazilian one. It's hard to. I don't remember that. You know what? It wasn't Igor Vovchanchin. It was a guy named Mikhail something.

God damn it. It was so long ago. Igor Vovchanchin looked like he was supposed to be like six foot six, but they cut his arms off here and put a fist there. Yeah. Like his forearms was so thick. Remember how thick that dude was? Yeah.

He was so thick and he would fuck people up. His legs, oak tree legs. Who was that Brazilian guy that he knocked out cold? Francisco Bueno. Yeah. Dude, that that he knocked out cold? Francisco Bueno. Yeah. Dude, that's probably still up there. Francisco Bueno. Find that.

Igor Bobchanshkin versus Francisco Bueno. Yeah. It was ruthless. Igor was a monster. And what Igor had, he was a kickboxer with power in his hands. He was vicious. He was like 5'11 and 5'11 wide. And everybody wanted to take him to the ground.

5'8. 5'8, yeah. Jesus Christ. Everybody wanted to take him to the ground. Nobody wanted to stand with him. But the thing that Igor had was he didn't really have a wide array of offensive techniques with jiu-jitsu, but he did have a good guard recovery, and he keeps you in full guard and survives. Look at that.

Boom. Oh, my God. Show that again. Boom. Boom. Boom. He hit him three times while he was out cold. Left hook, right hand on the chin chin and then as he's going down bang

bang oh my god dude face planted is this igor when he was younger oh my god bare knuckle that's the tournament this is the one i'm talking about i think wow that's how they should do it no cage see how they did that that is my fucking dream that's what they should do man that is how they should do it. No cage. Back up. Back up. See how they did that? That is my fucking dream. That's what they should do, man. That is how they should have MMA. That's how we do combat jiu-jitsu. We don't do it under the cage. That's how they should have MMA.

And you know that karate combat? I like that, too. It's kind of like, you know, no one wants to back up. You know what I mean? Right. Because they fall. Right. Igor Vovchanchin was a man.

And the thing about Igor Vovchanchin is, check this out. This was all like in the 2000 area. I'm a purple belt and I'm commentating for King of the Cage, right? That's when you get soccer kicked to the head too, Pride days. Yeah. Boom. And I commentated Pride 10 and 11. And I got to meet Mark Kerr, right?

Mark Kerr, incredible. I mean, his story's incredible. He wrestled in college at a high level, was a specimen. He looked a little like fucking Miles Garrett. Mark Kerr, that was his nickname, the specimen, and the smashing machine. Remember his story? Oh, yeah, man.

That story was... I had Kurt Angle on the podcast the other day, and Kurt was talking about how good Mark Kerr was as a wrestler. Hell, yeah. And Mark Kerr told me, because I got to hang out with him at Pride 10, and we were hanging out at McDonald's, and we were just fucking shooting the shit. And said he told me the whole his whole story that like

wrestlers were telling him to do the ufc back like in the late 90s and go dude look at mark coleman wrestlers go in there and they just fuck everybody up you should do it you should do it they were trying to talk him into it was like dude I'm not a fighter like that. He just didn't have that violence. Yeah, he was super nice guy. He was so nice. Super nice guy. And they twisted his arm and he was going to do a UFC and then he backed out.

He said, he goes, dude, it's just too frightening. So then he got offered to do an eight-man tournament in Brazil in the middle of nowhere, before the internet or anything. So he said, you know what? I'm going to go try this thing in brazil and if i get up nobody's gonna know about it and i'll just dip out you know what i mean and so he went down there and destroyed he ended up in the finals it was bare knuckle

bare knuckle valley tudor mma old school in a ring no no cage. And in the finals, he fought Fabio Giselle. Was it Fabio Giselle? It was Fabio Giselle. I'm pretty sure it was him. And, dude, he was just in his guard the whole time. Never tried to pass. He was just in his guard in the corner and just head-butting and throwing fucking bare knuckles. And he won.

And the Brazilians just thought he was a monster. just head-butting and throwing fucking bare knuckles. And he won. And the Brazilians just thought he was a monster. They called him the smashing machine in Portuguese, which is like máquina, destroy, or something like that. I don't know what it was. But anyways, so he said, he goes, after the fight, my hands are all caught up. They're all fucked up. They got infected.

I went to the, I was in the, he said he was in the hospital. He got those. Oh, yeah, you get teeth in your hands. Yeah, he got all fucked up. He was in the hospital with, like, some kind of fucking sickness and shit. And then the promoter taxed him way more than he thought. He was like, I'll never do this again. This was the worst fucking experience of my life.

Even though he won. Even though he won This was the worst fucking experience of my life. Even though he won. Even though he won, it was the worst experience of his life. He don't ever want to do it. It was, he was in the hospital. They fucked him on cash and all that shit. But then when he got back and on the internet was just, you'd have like little fucking news pages and he would, then he saw the magazine of him on the cover of a magazine. He's looking like a destroyer.

Yeah. Brazilian magazine. And then that's what got him to jump in 100%. Do you remember when he tapped Dan Bobish with a chin to the eye socket? That was in the UFC? Mm-hmm. Yeah. He got a hold

of him. He got in side control. We played it the other day. He stuck his chin in Dan... You know he had that big-ass chin? Yeah. He stuck his chin in Dan Bobish's eye socket and just fucking he ain't this back of his head and do it fucking ice Okay, ah yeah, Captain with that. I'm like how come no one's done that since That's a pretty wild move, and I was telling him I and this is what I tell all High-level wrestlers even like low-level wrestlers. If you're a wrestler, you need to approach grappling

not in the sense where you want to beat jiu-jitsu. Like, these guys can't take me down. You know, jiu-jitsu guys can't take me down. I'll box them. They can't box. I'm like, okay, okay. But what about the guys that can box, like kickboxers? You're going to have to take them down, right? Like, when you fight a kickboxer, you're going to have to take him down.

You're going to have to learn how to pass the guard and get and i would tell him i go dude just get really good at passing the guard uh holding side control submissions from side control mound get have a death mount you need a death mount uh arm bars rear naked chokes just you gotta get good at passing the guard mark and he said dude it just takes too much energy man it takes too i'd rather just sit in the guard and just fucking pound i'm like there's gonna be guys that are gonna tie you up and you're not gonna be able to ground and you can't ground and pound everybody some people you can but some guys have a good defensive guard and and a lot of wrestlers would

say that too it wasn't just marker they didn't want to pass the guard they wanted to beat jujitsu i'll just stay in the guard. So Coleman always did. Yeah. Head-butted dudes, punched him in the head, in the guard. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then he fights Igor Vovchanchin. Yeah.

He takes Igor Vovchanchin a couple times, two, three, maybe four times during that fight. But he can't pass his guard. And Igor Vovchanchin has a great chin. He's a kickboxer. So little ground and pound strikes aren't going to affect a great chin. He's a kickboxer, so little ground-and-pound strikes aren't going to affect him that much. He's not going to freak out. And he had a really good closed guard,

and he would hold and he would tie up, and then they would stand him up. And now he's got to take him down again. This is in Brazil. This is Mark Kern, Brazil, right there. Wow. This is the Balotudo Championship final. This is the final?

Is that Fabio Giorgio? Who was Marcelo Garcia's instructor? Let's see. I'll show you his hands up, but it looks like they stay like this for the whole time. Hmm, interesting. That's back when Pedro Hizzo. Yeah, that's Fabio. That's when Pedro Hizzo was fighting, too.

And remember the Pedro, too? Yeah. That's when Pedro Hizzo was fighting, too. And remember The Pedro, too? Yeah. Do you remember when Gary Goodrich reached into The Pedro's shorts and grabbed his balls and crushed him? Yeah. Yeah. You could grab balls.

Can you find Igor Vovchanchin, Mark Kerr from Pride? And you'll see that he was able to take down Igor Vovchanchin relatively easy, but he couldn't pass his guard and couldn't finish him. And he had to stand up with him. And then eventually, after a couple stand-ups, he was tired and he couldn't take him down no more. And then, you know, strikers light up.

They smell blood, you know what I mean? Yeah. And then he, I think it was TKO. I'm not too sure what kind of strike it was that ended the fight,

but it was a flurry. And that right there just shows like man all the best grapplers not all of them but a large percentage of the best jujitsu guys in the u.s are wrestlers that fell in love with jujitsu and got really good at guard passing taking backs mounting you already fucking hammers for a fist yeah there was no way he wanted to stand with Igor

no he did throw down a little bit yeah a little short right hand and then boom he knocks him down

here damn yeah I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down see he keeps taking him down here. Damn. Yeah, I remember he hit him with like a big overhand right and knocked him down. See, he keeps taking him down, but he can't finish him. He can't.

He's not even. Igor's just tying him up. Yeah, he's not attempting to pass his guard. He basically didn't like passing guard. He didn't want to develop any guard passing skills. He liked just staying in guard and throwing down. But look at how Igor just wraps him up. And not only does he have a good guard and he's

wrapping him up but like I said he's a kickboxer. He's used to taking punishment. Like if he had like a wrestler like this or a jujitsu guy they're not. I mean he did cut him up. But they're not gonna. But he's also tired. This was also this was during the smashing machine.

And so this was when Mark was already going through his addictions too, man. Damn, battle right here. Oh, big right hand. Big right hand. This is such a brutal fight. Oh. There it is.

Look at his traps, dude. God. He was so huge. Damn. I talked to Ensign about fighting Igor, and he said it was like getting hit by a car. He goes, like, he like getting hit by a car. He goes, like, it's like getting hit by a car over and over and over again. He goes, it was just boom, boom.

This was back in the 10-minute round days, which I loved. I loved the 10-minute first round. I think the 10-minute first round was a genius idea because how many guys, like, you know, they just fucking – look, Mark's trying some sort of an ankle lock. Dude, that sounds like – he almost had an Aoki right there. But it's like how many guys would take a guy down at four minutes and 20 seconds and then the round was over? Can we see how it ended? The last flurry. So many guys would, in the UFC, you'd take a guy down in the first round, and you've got no time to work.

And you work so hard to get him to the ground, and then the next round starts and you're standing up. Yep. That happens a lot too. What do you think about the idea of having, oh, he hit him with the knee to the head on the ground look at that knee look at the sprawl on that knee boom that's a serious fucking knee right there

what do you think about the idea of starting every round in the same position where you ended the last round I'm not opposed to that I'm not opposed to that at all like I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up that was it

can you rewind that one real quick let's see the final shots his knees to the ground I'm not opposed to that at all. Like, I feel like you should earn your ability to stand up. That was it. Oh, that was it right there. That was it. Can you rewind that one real quick? Let's see the final shots. His knees to the ground. Knees on the ground. That's another thing that I believe in. I don't think you should be able to turtle.

I don't think you should be able to turtle. Yeah. And not get kneed in the head. Yeah. Because that's a legitimate technique. If you can knee a guy standing up, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? Especially if he's in the turtle. If he's, like, just hanging on to something, you're hanging guy to the head on the ground especially if he's in the turtle if he's like just hanging on to something you're hanging

on to one knee you got a knee free and his heads right there but that guy can take you down and beat the fuck out of you why can't you need him in the head can you do that in game bread do you know I don't think so I think it's unified rules it's just bare-knuckle I believe that's not unified rules oh that that sounds like they would just I mean they're not cool right yeah that's like seems like there is a controversy of some kind after because he was That's not Unified Rules, though. That sounds like they were just, I mean. Bare knuckle. Right. Yeah, that's like. Seems like there is a controversy of some kind after it, because he was complaining in the hallway. And then they're showing some, I don't know what they're saying in the video, obviously, but.

Yeah, he got hit in like the back of the head or something. The top of the head? I'm not sure. Is that not legal? Did they have like, what is the controversy? I had a hearing about it, it looks like. Interesting. I could go closed caption and read it, but. This is other parts of the thing, I think.

And then how about Mark Coleman in the heavyweight Grand Prix? I think he fought Igor Vovchanchin in the final. Did he? And I think he... He fucked him up with knees. From North-South. Yes. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vov. From north-south. Yes. I think Mark Coleman, Igor Vovchanchin, that was in the finals of the Grand Prix. Now I remember.

He won the Grand Prix, right? Mark Coleman did. Yeah. He was a champ. Yeah. I think the knees to the ground, it's a no-brainer. That's a no-brainer. If you can knee a guy standing up, if you can punch a guy in the face and kick a guy in the face, why can't you knee to the head?

You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? You can knee to the body, but you can't knee to the head? It would end so many more fights. So many more fights. How many times have a guy sprawls and the guy's in a turtle and it's a perfect position to throw the knee to the head, but you can't do it? Yeah.

I think that should be legal. You know what they're going to bring back? 12 to 6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard, back? 12 to 6 elbows. From where? From standing in the guard, anywhere. 12 to 6 elbows is illegal still, which is the dumbest thing in the world. Are illegal. Did I say legal? Illegal.

In the mount. Like if I'm mounted, you can't go like this. You can't go 12-6, which doesn't make any sense. But from full guard, you can. If I was on my back in full guard, you can. You can because it's going 6-12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time. Yes. But standing, you can. If I was on my back in full guard, you can. You can because it's going 6-12. Yes. Which is the dumbest shit of all time.

Yes, yes. But standing, you can't do it. So if you and I are standing and you rush at me and do that and hit me with a 12-6 elbow, that's illegal. And they're going to change that? They're going to change that. Who's behind that? Nowitzki talked to me about it. And he's the—

He said, I know that this is something that you complain about all the time. We think we're going to be able to get rid of that oh thank god yeah it's the dumbest one because it's not even a more powerful elbow yeah it's just they saw it all came from big john mccarthy told me this that in the early days of mma they would bring this to the athletic commissions and they said you can't do this because we've seen those karate tournaments where the guys break bricks like that. And ice. And ice. They're like, you can't break bricks.

Like you could kill somebody if you do that. So they go, okay, no elbow like that. Elbow has to come at an angle. So it can come from, you know, it can come from 12 to 6, but it can go 1 to 7, which is the dumbest shit of all time. Meanwhile, the hardest elbow is not that. The hardest elbow is this one. This is the hardest elbow shit of all time Meanwhile the hardest elbow is not that The hardest elbow is this one This is the hardest elbow In my opinion I believe

At least as far as I can throw it Because you're throwing it like Like a punch And I'm getting my weight into it If I'm in a ground and pound position Like I've done ground and pound work You know when you get a heavy bag down And I'm trying to see what I could hit the hardest with

you can hit hard like that but I can hit pretty hard to like that fucking boom you could just Jen it's so much more torque you've got all this snap and it's also a natural movement where your body has developed that sort of explosiveness doing that it does it all the time. This is unnatural, I think. I mean, you could develop it, but it's just a better option to have. You want to be able to have that option to throw that. Because if guys are doing this and you can go straight down the middle with an elbow, fucking you should be able to do it.

Yeah. I mean, I like what Chaudhry's doing with one. They're allowing, you know, knees on the ground. Gotta allow that. Yeah, they allow soccer kicks. I think there was, I'm not sure, I think maybe they, like you can't stomp on their head anymore. I think like if you're in a cage and the back of your head is...

This is from 2021 when they made rules. Okay. Okay. Grounded. Athletes are considered grounded when they have any weight bearing part of their body other than the sole... What is this from? What rules?

This is when Colorado approved new rules for one championship. For one. Okay. This is just for Colorado, though. All hand strikes included punches, forearms, and elbows to the head, body, and all elbows. Interesting. So that means Colorado said 12 to 6 elbows legal? So that's where I got this from.

There was an article from this year that said when they were doing the data review for finding out if they were going to allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent. The 12-6 elbow data was in there. Look, it says kneeing to the head of a grounded opponent is legal. This is Colorado? Wow. Why can't the UFC do that? Go back to that please.

I want to see what else it says. Upkicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Huh? But you can't upkick to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal. Huh? How could you? But you can't up kick to the head. Up kick to the head, body, and legs of a non-grounded opponent are legal.

Okay. So you can't, you still can't up kick to a grounded opponent, which means. But that second to the last one, it says up kicks to the body and legs to a ground. How are you going to up kick a grounded opponent? To a body in the head no body in the head but up kicks to the body and legs to a grounded opponent are legal like how do you up kick a grounded opponent he's not if you're on your back if you're on your back and the guy's on top of you and he's got his knees on the ground he's grounded okay up kick him in the chest oh okay okay you can up kick him in the chest so the body and the legs but up kicks to the head, and legs of a non-grounded opponent.

If they're standing. Right, so if they're standing. So if he's not grounded, he's standing, you can up-kick him in the face. I feel like you should be able to up-kick a guy to the face if he's on the ground, too. Remember that up-kick Oleg Toktarev? Henzo Gracie. Henzo Gracie. Whoa.

That one, that was probably the first one probably we saw probably yeah in a big fight yeah and there was people thinking like oh lucky lucky kick but then Hansel was saying no do we practice this yeah we practice this and then you saw was it Fabio'siorgio upkick Jerry Bolander? Remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Bro, guys who are really good kickers, if you get them on their back, they can fuck you up off their back.

This is weird. Pouring water is illegal? Yeah, because they don't want you to become slippery. The cut man will apply Vaseline to the facial area. The problem with that is once you get Vaseline on a face, that Vaseline to the facial area the problem with that is once you get Vaseline on a face that Vaseline is fucking everywhere it's everywhere

it's on the neck, the chest that's some old boxing shit that needs to be cut out it's totally unnecessary that's just some boxing bullshit it's probably good for boxing I guess but for MMA that Vaseline gets everywhere it gets everywhere and It gets everywhere.

Yeah, it gets everywhere. And as a promoter or producer or someone who owns a fight show, you want as many finishes as possible, whether they're knockouts or submissions. So you'd want to, like, that's why in combat jiu-jitsu, we make rash guards mandatory. Like, you've got to wear rash guards.

We don't want too greasy bodies all over the place. I like that. Wear rash guards. Yeah, I like that. Because that cuts out greasing. Like the complaint that Gordon Ryan had against Nicky Rod. Yeah. And then, you know, Felipe Peña said the same thing.

He's like, he's greased. Yeah. It's like, feel him. Yeah, you make, it's like feel him yeah you make it's mandatory you gotta wear rash guards I mean ultimately you know probably make it

we haven't done it yet but like ultimately if there's a problem with greasing legs and stuff like that I feel like greasing like spats like you have to wear spats I think spats and rash guards

yeah eliminate the greasing eliminate it because other than that like if like if you tested for greasing like that would be so expensive you'd have and how could you the only way you could do it is like you have before you as you walk in they swab your back but the problem is that's not

even going to work because you know what guys do they take a bath in mineral oil so they lay that's what vanderley used to do old school shit yeah they take a bath in mineral oil. So that's what Vanderlei used to do apparently. Old school shit. Yeah. They take a bath in mineral oil and then they dry off. So if you touch them, they're dry. But then once they start sweating, that oil comes out of the pores. And then they're like, whoop. It's like trying to grab ahold of a sand. So that could only do so much.

But, I mean, when they walk in the cage, they should be warmed up. So they should be sweating. they walk in the cage they should be warmed up so they should be sweating so you might be able to like maybe take like a like a like a big like a glove that is made out of like swab material and just go like down the back like that and then test it you know what that would be expensive as shit maybe you know what it'd be like like you know how like that i don't even know if this is real but you know when people pee in the pool and they have something that shows the pee and you can see it all blue? Is that real? Oh, that's way real.

Is it? Hell yeah. That's old shit. I thought that was just like some shit from movies. I thought it was a rumor to fuck with kids. No, no, no, no. What do you think it would be called? There's some chemical in the pool.

Is there a chemical you could put to show when you're peeing in a pool? Because there was a video that I saw that looked really fake. It was a bunch of girls that were in a pool together, and then one girl. You see all this pee coming out, like this blues. Everyone's like, oh, my God, you dirty bitch. And they run away from her because she's peeing in the pool. Yeah. No, that's real.

That's for views. I don't know if it's real. No, no, it's real. I've heard about that. You put a chemical in the pool, and when you pee, it turns blue. Urine indicator dye is a mythical substance that is supposed to be able to react with urine in a form of colored cloud in a swimming pool or hot tub. It's mythical?

Indicating the location of people who are urinating. Oh, my God. I thought it was real. I did, too. Up until a couple weeks ago. I thought it was, like, it doesn't seem like that crazy of a product. It might be, like, super toxic. Yeah.

I mean, you imagine how much of that stuff you'd have to put in the water, and then that stuff's in your eyes. But think about how toxic just a regular swimming pool is. Like, all the chlorine that's in there. Good point. That's got to be horrible for you, right? Bro, you know what we played the other day on Protect Our Parks? We were trying to figure out why is there fluoride in water? Yeah, that's the oldest.

There's no reason for fluoride to be in drinking water. That's such an old conspiracy theory. It's a real one. It's so old. And they literally open up bags of fluoride and dump it into the local drinking water. It's like something you do. Not only that, we played it on Protect Our Parks. We were trying to figure this out.

There's a direct correlation between high levels of fluoride in drinking water and low IQs. I believe it. 100%. Why would they open up sacks of fluoride and put it in the water? You know why? Because you've got fluoride and you it in the water. You know why? Because you got fluoride and you're trying to sell that shit. Yeah.

Imagine if you're in the fluoride business and you're hearing us talking like, shut the fuck up! Because if people stop drinking or putting fluoride in drinking water. And the official reason, and I don't know, this might be bullshit.

Tooth decay. Yeah, they're trying to take care of our teeth. Brush your fucking teeth. Yeah. You know what I said that's like? That's like if some people are getting skin cancer,

oh, we're going to put sunscreen in apples. Yeah, same thing. Why would you do that? Just wear sunscreen. You can get sunscreen anywhere. Oh, you really care about our teeth that much?

That much. You care about our teeth that much? You're sending fucking shipments, like those shipping containers filled with fluoride and these sacks that you open them up. Dumping them into reservoirs.

Doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense. There are some cities that have... Stopped doing that? They stopped it. They should stop doing that. The community gets together.

They should get together. Yeah. Yeah. That's where it starts, really, the community. That's a weird one, man. That's one that's been around for a long time. By the way, who doesn't brush their fucking teeth? Dude, I didn't go to the dentist for 10 fucking years.

For 10 years. I went, zero cavities. Yeah. Zero cavities. I don't drink fucking tap water. Yeah. Ever. Never.

Ever. I also eat very little sugar, and I brush my fucking teeth. Yeah. Dude, I got Invisalign. So do I. I also eat very little sugar and I brush my fucking teeth. Dude, I got Invisalign. So do I. I'm wearing it right now. The first time when I first started wearing it, Trey the Truth was on the podcast and he wears a grill and I was like, bro, how do you wear that grill and talk? Because it was fucking with my talking.

The first time I wore it on a podcast, I had to not wear it. I can still hear it a little. Can you hear it, Jamie? No? I thought, I looked in your teeth and I'm like, damn, it looks like he has a visit line, but he doesn't. He wouldn't, but you do. I wear that shit all the time, too. I'm trying to clean my teeth up, man. My lower

teeth have been crooked forever, and my doctor said it would probably help my sleep apnea. What do you think of my teeth? Pretty. They're nice. You got nice teeth, bro. You got a nice beard. I like that beard. I was saying that I shaved my beard before I got here today because I look too old. I

did a music video the other day so I grew out my beard because I played a coyote. I love that video. You said it to me. I love that video. That song is hilarious. It's a confusing song. El Coyote. song is hilarious. Yeah. It's a confusing song. El Coyote.

Purposely. Yeah. But y'all shave it. I just want to. I never really had a full beard. I like it. I'll see what's up for a while. I look like I'm fucking 93.

I know it. You remember when Evan Tanner died and I grew that full beard? We all did. Yeah. Evan Tanner was a legend, man. Legend. Legend, man. I really liked that guy man when he died

it was when uh i was living in colorado and uh i said man i'm gonna grow my beard i had a full ass beard i was a big evan tanner fan he was a big evan tanner fan he was uh he was interesting he had good jiu jitsu and back in the day not that many UFC fighters that were non-brazilian had good jiu-jitsu You just didn't see it much and he was like one of the first you remember when he won the middleweight title and he fought Dave Terrell, how did he win Dave Terrell caught him in a guillotine and almost fucking had him and He gassed out and Evan to amatant or pounded him out That's how he won the middleweight title. Dave Terrell, man.

Beast. God damn, was his jiu-jitsu good. Beast. And still is, I'm sure. One of the very first elite leg lockers. Yeah, yeah. Elite leg lockers. And a fucking animal.

And Dave Terrell was one of the, I mean, he was one of the first pure no-gi pioneers. There was a couple out there. You know, there's Chris Brennan. There was Dave Terrell, Eric Paulson. Shout out to Chris Brennan. Yeah, there was like maybe four guys that got their black belt in the gi that decided to go no-gi. Dean Lister. Dean Lister.

Yep, yep. Yeah, that's right. That's right. He doesn't really train the key. Bro, you've been paying attention to Jeff Monson? What happened? Jeff Monson lives in Russia, speaks perfect Russian. Go to Jeff Monson's Instagram.

I think it's snowman, snowman Monson. I forget what it is. He's a full-on Russian. He lives in Russia. He supports Mother Russia. He's got a fucking ccp he's got like a hammer and sickle tattoo he's all in interesting he just this is jeff monson man he's all he's fucking russian now he defected he's a russian citizen see if you can go to a video where he's talking in russian because there's a lot on his Instagram where he's just he's talking in Russian so you

can find whether there he goes play that I got fascism in there. How wild is that? I wonder what the hell he said. I don't know. I hope we didn't let him say anything horrible. Is Russia considered communist still? Still.

I mean, Russia is. Don't they? It's a dictatorship. Wait, wait. The Soviet Union. Actually, no. Let me say that. Let me say that right. I'm wrong a dictatorship. Wait, wait. The Soviet Union. Actually, no. Let me say that. Let me say that right. I'm wrong.

No. They have elections. But, man, the whole- But if you want to run against Putin, bro. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck with all that.

You ain't got much time left. When was the last time they had an election? Well, you know that guy, Prokosgosian who tried to make a coup against uh putin and he just died in a plane crash is that that coup that lasted like six hours the guy who like they were literally headed towards moscow he was the head of the wagner group headed towards moscow and then they pulled back at the last minute yeah and and putin's like yeah bro i'll see you in a little bit and his plane blew up in sky. There's a video of his plane in the sky. And it's like on fire in the sky.

Yeah. Nothing suspicious about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of crazy. But like Soviet Union was communist. And then the Soviet Union fell.

Like the history of the Soviet Union and today's Russia is really confusing to me. I don't know what to believe. I don't know what to believe with anything in regards to history. Man, it's just like, what is real and what's not? I'm just like, fuck. I'm just like, okay, let's just see how everything plays out. But Soviet Union fell, so I thought Russia is claiming democratic socialism or something. It's sort of democratic.

But Putin is basically running it. Because Putin was the president of Russia or whatever they call it over there. And then he stepped down and then his main guy took over. And then Putin's like, fuck this, I'm taking over again. And now he's running it. And he's like, fuck this. I'm taking over again. And now he's running it. And he's been running Russia. Was it? When did he start running?

When was his second term as president of Russia? I have no fucking idea. Do you know who also has a fucking Soviet passport or Russian passport? Roy Jones. Really? Roy Jones Jr. is tight with Putin. Interesting. Yeah. Well, he's a star over there, man. Really? Roy Jones Jr. is tight with Putin. Interesting. Yeah, well, he's a star over there, man.

Really? Yeah, man. He had a bunch of boxing fights over there. They love him over there. They love elite combat sports athletes, and Roy Jones Jr. in his prime was the fucking man. Yeah. When you talk about the all-time greats,

you can, in his prime, he may have, I would say he's the best technician ever. One of the best athletes that's ever competed in boxing. He was so fast. Think about that one round he had with Vinny Pazienza where only round in- CompuBox history. Yeah, in CompuBox history where Vinny Pazienza couldn't land a punch. Incredible. Incredible.

And then Roy tried to stop the fight. He was teeing off on him. He said to the referee, come on, man. It's over. Yeah. And the referee was like, continue. He's like, all righty. Okay.

Putin has been Russia's most powerful politician since he assumed the presidency in 2000. After resignation of his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin. But he stepped down for a while and then came back again, though. But he was, like, still kind of in power. If he still remains in power until 2036, his tenure will surpass even that of Joseph Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union for 29 years. They're supposed to have six-year terms, but he created a new law that can allow that term limit to reset. It's a good move. It's a good move if you want to run things.

That's what Chris Rock was saying about Trump. What did he say? When Trump made it into office, he's like, he's never getting out of there. He'll change the fucking laws. He's not going to stop being president. I remember Chris Rock was saying that on stage. It was hilarious. You know that guy Yuri Bezmenov that you bring up every now and then?

And he explains ideological subversion, right? Bro. If that shit's real and it seems like it's real, then does that mean Russia is responsible for all our shit? If it's not real, what a prediction. What a crazy prediction that we would lose all faith in our democratic process and that we would all,

the children from the universities will all adapt Marxist, Leninist philosophy. They all do. I mean, how many people are young kids that consider themselves Marxist? Yeah, so are we in the middle of a fucking of a russian infiltration or is it chinese well i think both of those countries are very clever

you know they they do some very clever things one of the things that china does is they buy up corporations do you know how many put someone showed me a list of all these corporations that are run by China. I don't even know if this is true. Is, is, is, what's the Chinese president? Xi Jinping. Xi Jinping. Is Xi Jinping and, what's his fucking name from Russia? Putin.

Putin. Are they like buddies? Because they're both like communists, right? Well. Putin. Are they like buddies? Because they're both communists, right? Well, I'm confused there. I'm sure they're united against America now. And if Yuri Bezmenov, if he's right,

he's basically saying that Russia has put, we're under some kind of like 20- year Russian infiltration ideological subversion plan or something like that. What he was basically saying was that

they have this very long game approach. Whereas the United States we try to do things quickly and we think about short term. Whereas in Russia they think about things very long. Very long.

Yeah. They're not afraid of people dying over there because they lost so many people in so many wars. Yeah. I mean, if it wasn't for Russia, Russia holding off the Nazis, Russia helped us win World War II in a giant way, in a fucking giant way.

And you look at the losses that Russia faced. What was that? The one battle that Shane Gillis brought up during the podcast, like Shane Gillis is a gigantic history buff. And he brought up this one battle where Russia lost some fucking insane amount of people holding off the Nazis. I mean insane amount of people. Like way more than any war we've ever lost. That was one of the things that people always said about Russia. Like the girls are so hot.

And there's like they so outnumber men because so many men died. Yeah. So many men died over there. So for the longest time, it was like this overabundance of these hot Russian women. And how many of them came over and became spies? Yeah. Man, it's like, what the fuck is going on? What is going on? It's like, I don't know what to believe anymore, dog.

It's like, it almost seems like there's a great awakening and there's a great reset. You know, Klaus Schwab talking about the great reset. And then there's a great awakening. A lot of people are waking up. It's like, sometimes I feel like the great awakening is winning. And then sometimes I feel like the great awakening is winning and then sometimes i feel like the great reset is winning like when you start like all this fighting that we're doing we're fighting over like dumb shit all the time like all the time like bathrooms gender yeah meanwhile like this new world order is like uh like digital currency and climate change. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck is going on?

It just seems like, it seems like, um, like, like, like there's our politicians here, you know, the ones that we see,

the ones that are on TV and then whatever's above them, the guys we don't see, maybe they just want to just destroy America. Like how do we destroy America? How do we make it? I think what they want is control. They want control the way that China has control, the way that Russia has control.

Yeah, yeah. And there's so much freedom in America in terms of freedom of speech and freedom to do whatever you want. It's like on the surface we see the left fighting with the right right on the surface right but what if the overall goal is to get us like the only way we're gonna have like a military regime like the controllers they want as as much of a military regime as possible maybe disguises so we don't think we're under but the best way to do that the most uh the not the easiest but the best way is you got to make the people embrace the military right

you got to make them embrace how do you make them embrace it right now we're kind of embracing it we're like oh where's the military tribunals and all that shit with all the shit it's almost like that like were we tricked are we being tricked into embracing the military? Like, there's so, like, I don't know which way this shit's going. It's just so all over the fucking place, man. There's, like, all the stuff that Biden is doing. It's like, it's like, who's advising this motherfucker? You know what I mean?

He's running again. And then they're talking about Michelle Obama running. That keeps coming up. Ted Cruz just talked about that. I think Gavin Newsom can win. You don't think Michelle Obama has a better chance? If she wants to do it. She's a minority.

If she wants to do it. Yeah. But does she want to do it? I mean, she's never expressed it. It seems like Gavin Newsom wants to be president. Yeah. And he, like, fits the bill like fits the bill handsome tall smooth talker like it'd be so much better than biden as a president i mean that's that's a no-brainer it just seems like banner is this a trick is this just so obvious he's trying to figure out how to remove these homeless encampments in California, but there's laws against it.

There's laws that prevent you from pushing those people out. I will say this. I will say this. People talk a lot of shit. I mean, I'm in California for the weather. I like the weather, man. The weather's amazing. The weather's amazing, dude.

We've had like probably 14 days over 100 degrees. And y'all's out here and in Florida, you guys are like six months of just death. You know what I mean? Bro. And don't say you like it because if you like it, turn your air conditioner off and tell them how much you like it. Everybody says they like it.

As long as they're in air-conditioned facilities. Right, but that's how California is too. When it's 100 degrees outside in California, you want to be... No, no, the amount of days per year. That's true. It's way more. It's way hotter here for longer. And I almost moved to Florida.

I almost did it. I almost went to Tampa. Thank God I didn't. I'm glad I waited it out. But during the height of all the BS, man, it was so scary on the 101. The homeless just, they were on the freeway. So if you're in rush hour on the 101, it's like Mad Max, dog. It was fucking scary.

You're like, you're just sitting there and there's all these people around you just living and camped out on the freeway. Bro, if they just got rid of that, if they just eliminated the homeless encampments, find shelter for these people, get them counseling, that's A. That's number one. But they did clean all that up. They're not on the freeways no more. Not on the freeways.

But they still, if you go to Venice, it's a disaster. If you go to Santa Monica, it's a disaster. They have cleaned it up a little bit. I can't deny it. I see it. They should clean it up, clean it up, like all the way. And there was this, you know, I drive in the downtown all the time,

and there's a certain bridge that I drive under, and it's always, every day, it's just, people put up houses there. Yeah, they have electricity, they tap into lines. But they cleaned it out. I don't know if they cleaned it out everywhere, but in my path where I see them, they're doing something about the homeless good yes good yes praise to them for doing that next step you gotta eliminate these fucking crazy da's that take these violent fucking people that shoot people and assault people and rob things you gotta you gotta have fucking police you gotta have law and order all this

defunding the police is too scary. These smash and grabs in all these stores. Down the street from my old podcast studio at the Topanga Mall they fucking smashed into Nordstrom. They just smash and grab everything. They did it in Century City. They did it in Beverly Hills.

It seems like man, it just seems like if he can clean that up, if he can refund the police, clean that up, make L.A. safe, like 2016 safe. I don't think that's going to happen. Why not? Bro, if that guy did that, he could get a lot of people's vote for president. He just cleaned up. Cut the fucking taxes, too.

Like the California taxes are like, what the fuck are we doing over here? But if the taxes were worth it, right? If it's worth that 14% to live in the state. Look, I don't mind paying taxes, right? I don't want to pay too much taxes. But people think I moved here to not pay taxes. That is not the case. If L.A. was the same L.A. from 2015, I would still be in L.A.

100%. I miss the comedy store. I miss tent planet jujitsu. I miss all the restaurants I used to go to. I miss all my friends. I miss it. But they just got too crazy during the pandemic. They just got too crazy with shutting down businesses. They got too crazy with telling people what they can do and what they can't do. Too crazy with mandating vaccines for kids to go to school. They got too crazy with all those things. If they didn't do that, I don't mind paying the taxes, man. I don't mind. I get it. I get it. I'm wealthy and it shouldn't affect me as much as it does other people. I get that. But I'm saying that like, if it was worth it, if you but i'm saying that like if it was worth it if you got something out of it if there's something you get from it where it's like it's worth that 14 but 14

is crazy that's so much money if you make a hundred thousand dollars a year you have to pay $14,000 to the fucking government for what for what yeah that's so much money man 14 grand yeah if you make a hundred grand now you make 96 or now you make 86 and then you gotta pay federal tax you gotta pay federal tax and you gotta be sales tax yeah and property. I mean, there's so many taxes, but if it was worth it, and then they got this mansion tax. Do you know about the mansion tax? I heard about that. I don't know too much about that. Put up, pull it up. Whitney comics was complaining about it. If you have a house and it's worth a certain amount of money, I don't know who pays it, whether it's the buyer or the seller.

But there's a tax that gets slapped onto it, like if it's worth X amount of money. Dude, I gotta piss so bad. Go piss, go piss. Pause, I'll piss too. I've just commented, like... Are we recording this? I mean, we are. Shane Gillis is deleting Jamie's posts.

When Jamie comments on Shane Gillis' Instagram, Shane deletes it. It's over football, though. Yeah, it was just a GIF. It was just like a response, you know, Ohio State fun GIF, and it's gone. I was like, whoa, what happened? Who took it down? I thought Instagram took it down. Notre Dame lost?

Yeah, I thought Instagram was thinking I was bullying him, but that's not the case. And who's they – what was it, Ohio State? They scored in the last play of the game, fourth down, one-yard run. Oh, shit, right down to the wire? Yeah. Oh, shit. Football is emotional, man. You spend a lot of time.

Shame believes in censorship. That's what I'm getting at. That's all I've understood about this whole thing. Shame believes in censorship. It gets, dude, you spend all week thinking about this game Sunday, and then you play like shit, and you waste three, four hours watching this motherfucker. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I get it.

I get it now after I went to that game, and I saw how hyped people get. In Dallas, seeing the Cowboys play in Dallas, the Cowboys smoked them, smoking Jets. But it was wild watching it, man. I was like, this is fun. They lost last night, and the Cowboys fans are so pissed aboutboys smoked them, smoked the Jets. But it was wild watching it, man. I was like, this is fun. They lost last night, and the Cowboys fans are so pissed about it. It goes back and forth, dude. Yeah. Back and forth.

If you lose, everybody shits on you. If you win, oh, my God, we have a chance to make it to the playoffs. It's very emotional. There's a lot of shit talking going on in football. I can get into it a little bit, but I don't have the time to really get into it. I'm into it because I've always been into it, but it's also, I know that sports are a distraction. Like empires, they're like the circus and the distraction. I know it's a distraction.

It's meant to distract you from what's really going on, and it gets you to not pay attention to what the government's doing to you and all that shit but that might have been why it was initially created yeah but right now it exists as a beautiful form of entertainment that makes people's lives but i use it for distraction because i'm like you can't be kept in conspiracy all day yeah you know what i mean i need i like watching music documentaries and football that's what i do to get away from fucking... You know what I get? I get away from... I watch professional pool. That's crazy. That's crazier than football. That's what I watch because it's completely apolitical. Are there team pool sports? Yes. There's a thing called the Moscone Cup. And it's a team. It's like quintet. It's like Team USA versus Team Europe. It's a big event that happens every year. And one year it'll happen in the United States Like last year was in Vegas this year. It's in London and that people cheer and scream. How many people protein wild

That's a good question. I'm not sure but they play two at a time So two people play against two people so if you and I were playing So if you're playing nine ball nine balls rotation pool It means you have to make the one then you have to to make the two, and then when you make the nine, you win. So if you and I were on a team, you would make the one ball, but you'd play position for me to make the two ball. Then I would make the two ball, and then you would make the three ball. That's how the game is played.

Hmm. Interesting. I don't like that. I like one-on-one. One-on-one is my favorite. Who's the Hicks and Gracie of pool right now? Shane Van Boning is a dude from South Dakota who's deaf, and he turns his hearing aid off when he plays. He doesn't hear shit.

He just goes into the zone. You could talk shit about him all day. You could say crazy things. He doesn't even hear it. He's just in the zone, and he's just dedicated. Dude practices eight hours a day. He beat this dude in this tournament he played last week he beat this dude 10 to nothing and he ran nine racks so for nine racks he broke and ran out

what's running nine racks what does that mean it means the other guy doesn't even shoot because he just made every shot every shot it's crazy that people could do that so good he's so good damn if you watch him play he's a play, he's a machine, man. He's a machine. He makes shots. And also, like, getting a shot on the one after the break. Like, what are the odds you're going to get a shot on the one? He ran seven racks in a row.

Is there a skill to that, the break? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's got to hit it as hard as possible. It's not as hard as possible. It's as accurate as possible. And sometimes it's the right speed. Sometimes if you hit it too hard, the balls scatter too much,

and you don't have control. But if you hit it just the right speed, you will make, like, the one ball on the side and the two ball likely will bounce out and get a shot. And this motherfucker ran seven racks in a row in a big tournament against the best players in the world. And then he ran two more racks, and then he fucking won the game. And he's an American? He's an American.

Yeah. He's maybe the best of all time. Are there countries that produce, is it random or is there certain countries that produce good pool plays? I'm a big fan of the guys from China. That makes sense. I'm a huge fan of the guys from China and the guys from the Philippines. Those are some of my favorite players.

And Taiwan. There's these two brothers out of Taiwan, the Ko brothers. Ko Pin Yi and Ko Ping Chung. They're my favorite players to watch. I love watching those guys play. Do they ever play against each other? Yeah, they do. It's funny.

It's funny watching them play because they have the same kind of style. It's like the Rutolo brothers. A little bit. They had to fight in the finals of, I think it was the Brown Belt, Gee Worlds, or was it Black Belt? But, yeah, they don't fake shit, dude. No. The Rotolo brothers are fucking animals.

Animals. Those guys are animals. All natural, too. And they're like 20 years old. Yeah. And they're amongst the best in the world. And they're just getting started. And they have a deal with 1FC, too.

They do the 1FC grappling over there. Dude. That's another thing I love about 1FC. They mix it all up. They got Mike Musumechi over there, and I love it. They mix it up. I love that they do that. Shotree invited me to that Denver show, the first U.S. show.

That was insane, man. That was insane. It was just a mix of kickboxing, MMA, grappling. Love it. And the grapplers came out with, like, you know, they look like superstars. Like the Rutolo brothers, Mikey Musa, they're superstars. What I love about Chaudhry and what he's doing with 1FC is they're embracing all the aspects of martial arts. They have Muay Thai with little gloves.

They have Jiu Jitsu. They have real fucking elite level MMA. It's fucking great. They even have kickboxing. Yeah. So they have kickboxing, which is no elbows, you know,

no, no clinch. Oh, they have regular kickboxing. Oh yeah. Yeah. What style is that called? Kickboxing,

like glory. Glory is regular kickboxing. No elbows. No elbows. No knees. No knees. You can go knees, you can go knees,

but you can't clinch and throw knees the way everybody else does. It's like K-1. K-1 was kickboxing. K-1 is not MMA. Excuse me, it's not Muay Thai. So K-1 does not allow elbows. K-1 does not allow elbows, but they do allow a brief clinch.

Yep, a brief clinch, one knee from the clinch. You can't hold on like Anderson Silva did with Rich Franklin. Hold on and just batter him with knees remember when anderson silva got that plum on rich franklin yeah i just destroyed him yeah yeah that was bro anderson in his prime the interesting thing about or one of the interesting things about anderson silva there's so many but he was like middle of the road for a while he wasn't he was just one of those dudes from shoot box coming up he was winning he was like middle of the road for a while. He wasn't, he was just one of those dudes from shoot box coming up. He was winning. He was losing.

He fought a Ryu. What was that guy's name? The Japanese guy that did the flying, uh, flying heel hook on him. Yeah. It was like one of those. He was a mayhem training partner.

Who's that dude's name? Right. God damn it. Anderson Silva versus I'm embarrassed that I forgot his name. I'm embarrassed too. It starts with an R though. I know that. That guy was good. He threw that crazy flying scissor takedown to a heel hook.

That's pro wrestling. Well, it's actually... It's legit, but... That's it right there. Rio Chonan. There we go. I was right with the R. Yeah. Check out this fight.

See if you can find that. It was a good fight, too. So this was Anderson before he went to Cage Rage. Remember he went to Cage Rage? Yes. And when he went to Cage Rage, that's when he became the fucking man. When he went to Cage Rage, bro, so Rio Chonan, he threw this flying. Is he going to show it in here?

They're discussing it. It's a video about the whole event. Do they have the actual segment? See if you can scroll. There it is. Look at this. Boom. Look at that.

That is crazy. Yeah, that was like Marvin Castel. Crazy. The way he did it, crazy. That move, by the way, is illegal in my tournament. Really? Because it's too easy to destroy. You can just break a leg right there. I witnessed right in front of my face a leg getting destroyed,

and I'm like, okay, that is banned. We are banning that one. What happened? You know, one of my students just did that move that you just saw, and he landed on the shin, and it fucking snapped, man. And it was not good. What happened to Richie? Did Richie get his leg snapped recently?

With Craig Jones? No, he tweaked it. He hurt it. Craig Jones did some crazy behind-the-back toehold thing. It was fucking crazy. But, yeah. Craig Jones doing some crazy behind-the-back toehold thing. It was fucking crazy. But, yeah. Craig Jones doing some wild shit, man. Craig Jones, one of the best in the world.

One of the best to do it, you know? And, you know, they won the quintet team tournament. It was fucking badass, man. We got to the finals against B-Team, and Craig Jones just too much, you know? But, you know, we did great. My guys did great. Everybody did great, man. It looked like a break.

That's why I was scared. It looked like he broke his ankle. Maybe something got cracked, but he didn't tell me. He was, you know, we were walking right afterwards. It wasn't, it wasn't limping or anything. Okay. So it just popped. Yeah.

A little pop on the outside. If it pops on the outside, there's's really there's nothing you can really do i mean there's no surgery for it you just you just wait it out you just wait it out you know i've had my ankle pop many times and then it's sore and tender for a long time i had my ankle popped once and it swole up and then the whole thing was black like my whole ankle is black i was like oh my god i'm going to throw a kick again. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Yeah, here it is. Oh, that was after. It's hard to see what happened.

I mean, I could show you. Yeah, he showed it right before this. So here it is. Before that? Okay, so look at him. He reaches with his left hand. He reaches behind his back, like right there. Look at left hand, right there. And then he puts a toe hold. So he's got his left hand on one side of richie's

leg and his right hand in between the legs with a toe you couldn't really see it in that angle but uh i never really seen that before it was uh look at this boom look at this like do you remember when craig jones boom had that match with vinnie magalese and he broke his ankle yes he broke his shit he broke his shin bone right i don't know the i think it was his shin bone the exact damage he did because craig tried to tell him hey it's broke he's like it's okay he's like yeah but it's broken but that was like it's like moving around yeah that was gruesome i talked to vinnie when vinnie was at abu dhabi he's like i'm still kind of fucked up yeah i think he had to get a plate. Vinny was one of the first leg lock pioneers in ADCC. Vinny was a beast.

People forget about that. He won the whole thing, I think, in 2007 or 2009 or something. And he was heel hooking the shit out of people. Him and Dean Lister. Yeah. They came out. I think Vinny's the last guy to beat Gordon. Is he the last one i believe

so i think so do you remember when vinnie uh did a flying armbar on pay de pano i don't remember that and the jiu jitsu match no gi i don't remember that on pay the panel beautiful let's see if we can find that beautiful pano beautiful vinnie marg Magalhaes. Pe de Pano's a fucking animal. Yeah, I don't remember that one at all. He hit him on a flying armbar. See if you can find that. Vinny Magalhaes, Pe de Pano, flying armbar. Oh, it's fucking gorgeous.

And to see a guy do that on a world champion at that high a level and to catch it, it was picture perfect. Yeah, and what I was saying about Anderson Silva was he wasn't he didn't come out as just like the baddest motherfucker on the right away he took it took a while right you know then he went to cage rage yes and he started fucking people what was it what was his biggest part was his biggest winning cage right Lee Murray oh killer. There's a documentary about him. Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. I was talking to Guy Ritchie about it. Lee Murray was a real gangster who could fight. He wound up, he wound up being part of the crew that committed the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. Bro, they had like fucking like a movie, like Heat. Like full face masks on and goggles and fucking tactical

equipment, bulletproof vests. And they robbed everything. I think they stole like 50 million dollars. Something crazy. And they got away with it for a while. Sort of. Everybody kind of knew. It's one of those things. In the fucking criminal world, like those guys aren't real good at shutting the fuck up.

Yeah. You know? And they're wild people. If you're doing something like that, you got friends. And you're telling your friends, and those friends are probably going to get arrested, and then they're going to fucking, hey, I know some shit. Next week. See if you can find, did you find that?

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No, it's no game. There it is. I know it's locked behind the paywall there, though. Oh, the flow grappling paywall? I got a subscription. Oh, here, try that. Click that. That's not, that's what I reserved.

Oh, video unavailable. Give me a second. Hmm. Yeah, let me type this on YouTube. Anthony Parosh. I forgot about him, too. Dude was a fucking animal. This is not it.

Hmm. Just Google flying armbar. No, no. Pei DePano. No, no, no. Marcio Cruz flying armbar. Just Google that. Marcio Cruz flying armbar. Just Google that. Marcio Cruz flying armbar.

Yeah, here we go. Let me see it. Yeah, but you don't want to see him doing it. You want to see Vinny Magalhaes doing it to him. Yeah. No, no, no. Leave Vinny Magalhaes, Marcio Cruz. Yeah, there we go.

Let's try that. It would have already come up. It's not going to. Come on, really? Not on YouTube this way. This is not the best way to look for this stuff. That's what I was trying to do.

That's crazy. How's that not? It's on the Flow Grappling page and it's behind a paywall and that's the only clip that I can find. Let me, I'm going to send you my password.

Hold on a second. Why you do that, dude, I got to pee again. Ah, go ahead. Bro, you got a bone from the 90s. What are you doing? No, no. When are you going to upgrade? I did.

I just got a new one. You got a 15? Dude, dude, coffee and beer just make me want to piss all the time, dude. Goes right through you. Dude. Sorry about that. No worries, man. That's the whole reason why we could pause.

We're not going to find that video. But what was another video that we were trying to find? Another great ADCC classic moment was when Davi Ramos. Davi Ramos got a flying armbar. That was 2015 in Sao Paulo. Davi Ramos. Dude, holy shit. He found the UFC a little bit, right?

A little bit. I was surprised that he didn't go further. I had a feeling he was going to smoke everybody once it got to the ground. Yeah. Because I just felt like, how are you going to stop that guy? Yeah, man. His arm bar was fucking insane. It is so hard to make the transition to the UFC.

It's so hard. Dude, you've got to have your striking on point. You gotta have everything on point. It's almost, it's like striking and wrestling, because every fight, every round starts on your feet. Like, that's the most important thing. Your striking and your wrestling. In the early days, you can get away with just being really good at jiu-jitsu

and getting a clinch and dragging the fight to the ground, but... Not anymore. Oh, dude dude everybody's hard to take down now there's no more easy takedowns you know who's crazy who's still in the mix well it was until recently hani yaya that guy that guy was around forever yeah he got to the finals of uh the abu dhabi i was in 2003 he was 17 and got to the finals against Leo Vieira. And he was fighting in the UFC recently.

Yeah. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good. That guy understands the clinch game. If he would have been on just a little more striking, if he would have been a better striker just to look he is his jiu-jitsu man he had good mma jiu-jitsu he was all about squeezing and clenching and smashing and and he got a lot of that from hickson like hickson took him under his wing for a little bit yeah yeah and yeah he was hickson was in his corner for a while he's a squeezer a squeezer not team constrictor

that was his team yeah not not all jiu-jitsu champions coming from the geek not all of them are squeeze machines uh some of them you know are really good at collar chokes you know what i mean and they're just death with those things they they get a hand in your collar man you're going to sleep you know remember when marillo bustamante had to tap Matt Lindland twice? Murillo Bustamante was the one who up-kicked Jerry Bolander. Was he? I think so. I think it was Murillo Bustamante up-kicked.

Because I said before it was Fabio Giorgio. Yeah. I get the names mixed up, but I'm pretty sure it was Bustamante. How about when he tapped out Matt Lindland twice? You're talking about that? Yeah. Yeah. He did one fight yeah the craziest fight ever crazy big john mccarthy separated them said it was the fight was over

matt linden's like i didn't tap he definitely tapped yeah and then they didn't have instant replay back then so big john's like okay fight again fight again. Keep fighting. And Murillo's like, what the fuck? And I think they went a whole round after that. And then the next round, Murillo caught him in a guillotine. Crazy shit. That happened, that kind of happened when... Sakuraba. When I was in, I commentated for a show called Too Hot to Handle in Amsterdam.

Oh, yeah. In Amsterdam. I remember that. And Gilbert Ivo, remember him sure man what a what a scary dude that was that guy that guy he he was the one in in pride 10 that threw one strike against gary goodrich one strike one leg one head kick and he went down let's see what this is what's this oh this is it yeah we found yeah this is deep deep searching but we found damn let it go here we go

watch this it's so beautiful dude oh look at that look at that wow how beautiful is that wow look he's wearing tights yeah beautiful no Beautiful. No greasing on him. No. Not at all. Did he tap that quick? Yep. Yeah, he knew it was over. Dude, let's see that whole thing again. Right as he was going down, he was already extending the arm. Look at that. He's got the collar tie.

Off the collar tie. Look at that. Boom. He went on the left arm. Amazing. That was quick. That's huge. He probably verbal tapped. Yeah. Amazing. That was quick. That's huge. He probably verbal tapped. Yeah, I see. Yeah. Amazing. That was when Vinny was training with you.

Yeah. Amazing. Damn. To do that to a guy that high level, I mean, that's fucking incredible. See if you could find

Davi Ramos, ADCC 2015 flying armbar. It's, I don't know, I mean, it's different than this one, but it's equally impressive, I think. Really, we should give props to our guy. Who's our guy?

Oh, here it is, here it is. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Oh, yeah, he jumped on him. Look at this, look at this. Boom! Done. Over. That was so quick.

Davi Ramos is a fucking animal. Damn. He just caught him reaching. Look at that. Woo. And Davi Ramos, he's one of those Brazilians, one of the first Brazilians that came out with high level leg locks. He's a leg locker.

He's a Brazilian leg locker. There's a couple out there that came up that people forgot about and when do you remember when Alan Belcher fought Rusamar Pajaras yeah

Rusamar Pajaras was probably the most feared Brazilian leg locker ever the guy's huge he's jack he's like Ken Shamrock

in his prime you know and and he's a leg locker he just rips people's legs but alan trained so alan alan alan brought in davy ramos davi davi ramos and dean lister for his training camp and they he was they had he had him out there for a month and alan bell ellen belcher told me he goes those dudes are fucking me up dean lister and Davi Ramos with leg locks just over and over, but

after a while, I started slowing them down, started countering, started defending, started pulling out, and by the time that UFC match against Rusamar Pajaras came around, that was one of the greatest UFC fights of all time. It was amazing, because he engaged. Dude, he had

Alan Belcher, but first, Alan Belcher pulls him into a fucking twister, dude. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. He comes in, he had Alan Belcher. But first, Alan Belcher pulls him into a fucking twister, dude. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. He comes in. He comes in with a single. Alan Belcher doesn't even fight the single. He just transitions that into the truck, and he almost twisters him.

Dude gets out, and then he's all over Alan Belcher's legs. He's all over those legs and Alan's just defending, defending, pulling out, defending. He had really good looks on his legs and then he finally got out and fucking grounded and pounded his way to the stoppage. Alan Belcher is a heavyweight bare-knuckle fighter now.

He's fighting bare-knuckle now? Did you not know? I did not know. He was a champion. I did not know. He relinquished his title so he could fight for Jorge Masvidal. So he's fighting Jorge Masvidal's MMA fight.

He's fighting against Roy Big Country Nelson. And the winner of that is now going to fight Junior Dos Santos. Holy shit. I had no idea. I'm thinking about going. I had no idea. You want to go? Let's do it. Let's go to Miami.

I think it's in Florida in April. I think that's when the big match is. I think Alan Belcher is fighting... November 10th. Yeah, so that's November 10th, and then the winner of that is going to fight Junior Dos Santos.

Bro, Alan Belcher can fucking box. Damn. And he's a heavyweight now, man. Let's see Alan Belcher can fucking box. Damn. And he's a heavyweight now, man. Let's see Alan Belcher, Rusamar Pajaras. That's got to be up for free. Yeah, that's got to be up for free. Dude, that one is 100% just violence the whole way through. There's no stopping that one, dude.

That's a great fight. Oh, my God. Alan Belcher just. And I remember after that, I'm like, dude, you got to put out a fucking leg lock defense. Yeah. Like, right here, look at his. He's going to take him down. He's going to grab a single, and he defense yeah look at right here look at his he's gonna take him down he's gonna grab a single

and he's gonna go right into the truck watch watch yeah Alan Belcher was so well Alan's so smart he's such a smart dude he looks so different now

cause now he doesn't cut any weight he got jacked shaved his head he's fucking huge now check this out single right into the truck watch look. Single, right into the truck. Watch.

Look at this. Single, right into the truck. Yep, pulled it right in. And boom, he's caught. He almost twizzers him here. Look at that shit. Look at that. Husamara's like, oh shit.

He could have had the calf slasher right there. That was like, he had it right there. But damn, he's going for the grand slam here. He's going, look at that. He's so close. He's going for the twister. He's so close. Would that have been the Twister. He's so close. Would that have been the first Twister in MMA or had the Korean Zambi?

No, that would have been the first one, I think. Wow. I think. I could be wrong, but I think this was the first one. He goes for a little crotch ripper here. Look at that. Dang. He was so close.

He hasn't been in it for a while. Look at this. Yeah, Husamar's like, what the fuck happened? He needs that baseball back control. Yeah, look at that. Oh, look at this. Yeah, Husamar's like, what the fuck happened? He needs that baseball bat control. Yeah, look at that. Oh, look at that. He's just kind of grabbing it weird. Look at that.

Oh, my God. He's got the head. Oh, so close. He's got the head. So close. So close. Damn. I forget how they broke out of this, though.

Let's see. Paul Harris must have been like. Grab it like a baseball bat. Let's see. Paul Harris must have been like Grab it like a baseball bat. There she is. As if he was swinging a baseball bat with Paul Harris.

Oh! Now he's gonna lose the position here. Now look he's gonna it's gonna be a leg battle now. Now this is where all the leg lock defense

comes into play here. Look at this shit. Dude he's deep on him. Dude look how deep. Oh he's got that knee bar he turns to the right way look at that but all he's all over his legs it's slides out of it and another one look at the deep deep look look at that man he's got a good bite on the guy Alan uses that left leg to bust free exact triangles his right leg look at that that was a

wild-ass, man. He's on him. This looks like someone filmed it from the TV. Yeah, 100%, right? Remember those old days where you buy movies that were like VHS tapes or someone set up a camera in the back of the movie theater? Yeah. I used to buy those in New York all the time.

Look, he's putting him on legs. He's attacking a little bit here. I know. And Husamar must have been like, what the fuck is going on? How is this happening? And this happened way before the leg lock revolution, man. Oh, way before. Look at this. Yeah.

Way before, right? Yeah. I want to say this is like 2004 or something. Fox 3. I would say this is 2008, 9. UFC on Fox 3. Look at that. He's got so many looks on his legs and the steep.

He's got the knee line and everything. Boom. He just can't finish it off. Look at perfect defense. Yeah, Allen was so used to it. So many people were so terrified of Paul Harris when he grabbed your leg. Look at that spin. Look at the way he spun out right there.

That was it right there. Look at that. Now it's all about ground and pound. Now look at this. Boom. Because Husamar didn't let go. If he got a hold of your fucking heel, he would tear that shit down and shred it. Was it Mike Pierce?

Whose fucking knee did he fuck up where he didn't let go? And then he got kicked out of the UFC. I forget that one. It may have been Mike Pierce. They kicked him out. They were like, bro, you got to fucking let people go. And they tap. And they're like, that's it, son.

He's the only guy to ever get kicked out of the UFC for a win. Is that real? Yeah. He got banned from the UFC for winning. Boom!

Look at that. He's just battering. Boom! Elbows. Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom!

Yeah. And he just fucked him up from here. Just nasty ground. And he had to have been tripping too. I'm like, man, I had so many chances on his legs. Well, also, he was threatening him, man. Yeah, look at that. It's going to be over right there.

Boom, look at that. Oh, big shots by Belcher. That's it. He called it. Now, I want you to Google Alan Belcher bare knuckle boxing. Bro, you haven't seen him lately? He's a heavyweight. He's giant.

Let's see this shit. He has an Evan Tanner tattoo. Look at the size of him. Oh, shit. Damn. Bro. Oh, shit. Look at the size of him.

Shit. Saucy. Oh, man. Because he's like in his 40s now, right? Show me a video, though. Damn, look at those arms's like in his 40s now, right? Show me a video, though. Damn, look at those eyes. The size of them. Holy shit.

Fucking gigantic. Show me a video, though. Alan Belcher bare knuckle boxing. Just write bare knuckle boxing after that. Yeah, there you go. And give me some video. Walk off KO. No, watch this.

Bro, he can box, man. It's interesting watching him be so big, too. I mean, the size, he's so different. But he's skillful, man. Boom. Look at that. Oh, that guy's, that guy, it's over. So he's about to fight big country.

They're going to fight in Jorge Masvidal's, which I fucking loved. I really loved Masvidal's premier event. Or, not premier event. He's had a couple of them. But the last one he did

with Junior Del Santos and Fabricio Verdum. Bro, bare knuckle changes everything. Changes everything. You can't take those shots. And the crazy thing is

he's a business guru. Like, Masvidal? No. Alan Belcher. Alan is, yeah. Alan Belcher, dude. He has like a...

This is Junior. This is Junior and Fabricio. But this is like not the best fight. It was mostly Fabricio Verdum just getting punched in the face. He just like... Junior with that boxing, that style that he has, he slices you with those punches. Like you can only

take so much of those. And Fabrizio got a really nasty cut over one of his eyes. At the end of it, he's like really jacked up. So I'm in full support of Masvidal's organization. I love that he's doing that. I think that's how MMA should be done, bare knuckle. So they're going to have that Roy Big Country Nelson fight and then the other one.

We should go. Damn. We should go to the go yeah if I'll check my schedule thumb free that weekend let's do it it's in Miami go I think it's in Florida I'm pretty sure it's in Florida I'm not sure it's Miami but somewhere in Florida hell yeah let's yeah Masvidal reached out and I said fuck yeah dude I'll go to that I want to see that I want to support it and and Fabrizio Verdun was in there that guy's a legend a Jiu Jitsu legend, MMA legend and he like Anderson Silva

in the beginning he was like middle of the road he was a Jiu Jitsu champion didn't really have that good striking I think he fought in Dream maybe maybe Pride and he was like up and coming big Brazilian, amazing Jiu-jitsu, but his striking hadn't come together.

And then a lot of jiu-jitsu black belts and a lot of jiu-jitsu champions, they'll dip into MMA a little bit, then they realize, you know what, my striking ain't there. I'll just have a school and just make money with my school, and that's fine. But some stay, and they just fucking, they just um but some stay and they just fucking they just tough it out and they just keep going and they keep going like anderson silva his jujitsu wasn't that good but he kept going and then his jujitsu got good he triangled chael son and same thing with fabrizio verdum he kept going and then he turned into like a legit striker knocking out

people with head kicks yeah he didn't he forward. How about, let's look at Anderson Silva versus Dan Henderson. Oh, shit. Remember that one? Yeah, brutal. That's Anderson in his prime.

That's Anderson top of the food chain, apex predator, perhaps the greatest 185 pounder that's ever lived. When he was on, man, you know,

and Dan Henderson just is an animal dude throwing fucking vicious vicious bombs but this was anderson silva when he was in the matrix when he would just stand out and bow to everybody this is a great fucking fight man because dan henderson was so fucking dangerous this is dan in his prime yeah and he had that fucking ridiculous power dan anderson like if you touch him he's like made out of wood he feels like this table yeah that right hand is ridiculous and he's just such an elite fucking wrestler too and so anderson just kind of timed him up a little bit. This is what Anderson would do. He would spend the beginning of the round just kind of moving around,

looking to see how you move, putting it all on that computer, and then towards the end of the round, Anderson would start opening up. And once he started opening up, man, he was fucking lethal because you've got to close the distance on him because Anderson was a counterstriker. So he was fucking lethal. Because you had to close the distance on him. Because Anderson was a counter-striker. So he would stand there and make you lead. And when you lead, you're running into fucking the biggest buzzsaw that ever existed in this division. Oh, that's right.

I forget Dan got him down. How did he get him down? Let's see how he got him down. Does it just cut right to it? This video is slightly edited. Oh, yeah, yeah. It just shows him taking him down. Does it just cut right to it? This video is slightly edited. Yeah, it just shows him taking him down. He has like a leg drag position right there.

He's almost in half guard, or it's almost in side control. Anybody Dan Henderson touches with that right hand, nobody survived that shit. I know. He's a wrestler with a fucking Mike Tyson right hand. Do you remember his knockout of Vanderlei in the rematch? Holy shit.

The Bisbing one? Yeah, the Bisbing one was insane. Now, this is Anderson when he's got his groove, right? This is Anderson loose. Boom, head kick. Boom. Oh, this is all edited up. So he stands up.

Henderson's got the clinch. It was a good fight. I forgot how good this fight was. Scooch a little. Oh, yeah. So how did he get him down, though? Back it up. Oh, yeah. So how did he get him down, though? Back it up. Yeah, right.

Right. Right there. Here it is. That's where it happened. It started from stand up. Man, it's weird how they're cutting out the takedowns. Yeah, I don't understand that. It's very important how it got to there.

But the fact that he's on top right here, that's fucking like what? I know. He's on top of a world-class wrestler. His fucking grappling was elite, man. At a certain point in time in his career, he really became an elite grappler. I mean, the Minotaur Brothers gave him his black belt, right? Yeah. Didn't they give it to him after he submitted Chael?

Or was it before that? I don't remember. I think it was before that. I don't remember. So here, he got his back. shale or was it before that i think it was before that i don't remember so here he got his back and i think he went to the dan severin right yes yes exactly exactly boom yeah look at this look at this right there boom that's it brutal big submission was he already the champion at this point?

Yeah, he was defending the title. Damn. Shit. Bro. Dude, so much has happened. Do you remember the early days where you and I would go to these events or we'd watch them?

Well, you know what they need? They need some billionaires with some crazy deep pockets to buy the UFC and throw a ton of money at it. Yeah. And they fucking did it. Yeah, it actually happened.

They fucking did it. They really did it. Yeah. Generally, that's what it takes. It takes someone with money to burn that has vision. Okay, we're going to burn some money right now, but eventually it's going to come back to us a thousandfold. And that's what happened. Holy shit. Especially when they knew that the product was so good i mean there was no denying that the ufc was exciting yeah people that are just getting into mma now

you gotta go back and and go through the timeline it was man the 90s it blew up ufc2 blew up no one really knew what ufc1 was. Cause there was no B roll. And we're like, I remember thinking, Oh, that's some pro wrestling. Like we just didn't know what it was. And then you find out it was real and you're like,

Oh shit. And then the UFC two comes along and go, okay, let me watch this shit. And it's a 16 man tournament. And I was doing karate at the time. And I remember watching hoist beat the Minoki Ichihara and it fucking crushed me who is this Brazilian guy Jesus but by the time he got to the finals man I was a big fan I'm like

oh shit you could take people you could fight on the ground and you're not considered a pussy because because I would I would fight on the ground because I wrestled in high school and I don't I'm just take a dude down I just remember when I first met you, you would wear the fucking scuba gear on your head. Because you had long ass hair. Yeah. So you'd wear like scuba gear and you would close it off with ear guards. And you would toe hold everybody. I would wear a Jacques Cousteau like headgear to put all my hair in.

And then I would put the wrestling ear guards over it just to disguise it. Oh, okay. Just so it doesn't look like I'm a fucking Jacques Cousteau. You know? I remember when I first met you, you were leg locking. You were toe holding everybody.

Yeah. That was your move. From Ken Shamrock. I learned it from some instructional video of him in jeans. He has no shirt, looking like a Chippendales dancer, jeans on, and he's doing a toehold with some Japanese guy because he was all pancrased out. And I'm like, whoa.

He was doing it from the top. And I was always on the bottom playing half guard. I'm like, I wonder if I could do it from half guard. So I started doing toeholds from half guard a lot. Toeholds are still super powerful in the game. Oh, yeah, man. In today's game, there's some guys that just got that toe hold down. They'll break your fucking foot off. When Nicky Rod got Gordon in it and popped his ankle, that was nasty.

Yeah, those things are nasty, man. You just got to get really good at it. You just got to know how to use your whole body to twist that foot off. Also, that'll fuck your ankle up for a long time. I wonder how Gordon's ankle is. Yeah, he's probably fine. I'm sure he's fine. Because it just tears that, like, if it pops, it's like the outside of your foot, like right under that little ankle ball thing. There's like this meat under there that's going to be...

Yeah, and it stays sore for a couple months. Is it a... You can get surgery on it. You can get surgery on it. You can? Ankle surgery only happens when you break bones, like the ankle bones, all the little ligaments. There's so many little ones

that you just kind of just leave it alone. Do you know who Laird Hamilton is? No. Laird Hamilton's a world champion surfer. He's a wild man.

And he broke his ankle and didn't do shit about it. Just said, fuck it. Just walk around on a broken ankle. And one of his ankles is like twice the size of a regular ankle. It just became this like- Calcium deposit. Not a bone. It's all-

Look at his ankle. He showed it to me. Look at that. What? That's his ankle. Yeah. I don't even get what that is, dude. I don't even get what that is do that's just broken bone. What's all that white shit on the top? That's the bottom of his foot. So he's got it. He's doing this. He's like showing me like this. Oh

My god, yeah, it's freaky you look at it. You go. What the fuck do you didn't go to a doctor? Yeah? He's like nah, I just walked around walked around. He's an animal, dude. That guy, he gets in the sauna at 200 degrees, 200 plus, and he gets on an airdyne machine with oven mitts on, and he does fucking sprints in the sauna at like 200 degrees. What does he do again? He's a world champion surfer. Oh, shit. Big wave surfer. Damn.

The scary shit. The scary shit. The shit from like Portugal. Yeah. The scary shit. Yeah scary the scary shit the shit from like portugal yeah the scary shit the scary shit yeah he's an animal i can't believe people survive those waves oh they don't always they don't always how often does a surfer die a couple of the time when those things come yeah man when those things come crashing down on you you fucking you you fucking plummet to the bottom with a million pounds of water on top of you, and you get knocked unconscious. Happens all the time.

Guys get driven by the weight of the water right into the rocks. Yeah, I'm not into that at all. I'm not into sharks. Did you see that fucking lady that they found in a 13-foot alligator's mouth in Florida? I saw the clip. I didn't see the clip. I saw the blurred- out picture of it. My sister sent it to me because it's down near where she lives.

They fucking found some alligator just dragging a lady. How about that shark in Egypt that attacked that man? Oh, that one's horrible. It seems like we're seeing more shark attacks. It seems like it's happening more often now, right? People have better phones. That's probably what it is. Yeah. But that one, we haven't confirmed whether or not this is true but what

i had heard was that off the coast of this resort these people were dumping sheep carcasses so they had these sheep carcasses and they wanted to get rid of them so they dumped them off the coast that's what they would do with them and then a high concentration of sharks would happen in that area. And there's a fucking resort there. So there's this really nice resort. People are all, oh, fucking, let's go for a swim. You're going for a swim in monster soup. Yeah.

And they've been feeding those monsters. Yeah. Yeah. I just fucked that dude up. Yeah. I'm not. There's definitely stories of that happening. I don't know if it's

the exact same area but it might be. Sheep exports linked to Egypt shark attacks from 2010. 13 years ago. Yeah. So I bet

I bet that's yeah. Why are dead sheep washing up on Egypt shores? That's from 2017. So 2010 and then again in 2017. Yeah.

Probably. Yeah. So it's similar to what happened in charm mall yeah it says down there 2022 animal carcass dropped to the sea near that place wow travel agent noted that the travel agent how about they give you a heads up hey by the way they dump a lot of bloody carcasses in that water. What are you doing? There's a lot of sharks. All you need to do is see Jaws. And that right there just scares you out the goddamn ocean. Did you see The Meg?

It might be the dumbest movie of all time. And The Meg 2 is like, hold my beer. The Meg 2, I watched The Meg 2 with my daughter. They were howling we're howling just howling laughing it's so goofy this shark like tries to find people it works though it works because i will never go deep sea diving ever that's never gonna fucking happen yeah i'm so not i ain't going into jungles and i ain't going deep sea diving i ain't doing so not no anacondas for me no crocodiles i'll go up and i'll go to aspen and go snowboarding that's what i'm gonna do i had paul rosalie on my

podcast and he's a dude that um he spends a large amount of time saving the rainforest really fucking cool guy he goes down to the amazon and he's like saving the rainforest from people that are cutting it down. And what he does is these loggers are just poor, man. You know, they're not trying to destroy the world. They don't have options, man. You know, they're poor. And so what he does is he gets them hired to protect the rainforest. So he gets the same people say, Hey man, this job, what's this job paying you? How about we give you more money and you protect the rainforest? And like, paying you how about we give you more money and you protect the rainforest and like thank you so he hires these guys to do the opposite of what they were doing

and they've protected millions of acres of rainforest just doing this but this dude he told me he jumped on an anaconda because he was trying out like they were trying to find out how big it is he couldn't get his arms around it he's my size yeah he couldn't get his arms around it. He's my size. Yeah. He couldn't get his arms around it. So he's my size. So imagine this. Imagine this. A snake that wide.

He said it was at least 25 feet long. It was slithering through the water. And he felt it slither and it's dark out. And he tried to hold on to it. So he tried to grab a hold of it like this. I wish I had that kind of courage. I don't know if that's courage. I don't know, man. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Jungle scared the shit out of it like this. I wish I had that kind of courage. I don't know if that's courage. I don't know, man.

That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Jungle scared the shit out of me, man. I like watching them on TV. I like watching Amazon River documentaries and Congo documentaries, but I will never go into another jungle in my life.

You know what my favorite thing is? When jaguars kill crocodiles. That's pretty badass. Crocodiles think they're shit. Yeah, they deserve it. They think they're shit. Yeah, they deserve it. They think they're shit. They're always sneaking up on antelope. You know what I mean?

Every now and then when a leopard fucking takes them out, it feels good. Cats are number one. Cats are number one. They're my favorite. Oh, yeah. Because they're so ruthless. This fucking cat swimming through the water, eating crocodiles. And he's got a...

There's many videos of this happening. People have caught them eating crocodiles and he's got a there's many videos of this happening where people have caught them hunting crocodiles but this one this fucking this jaguar is carrying a crocodile bigger than him he's got it by the back of its neck and he's waddling out of the water with this fucking crocodile in his teeth like who would have imagined that something would hunt crocodiles? Yeah. You'd think they'd have no predators. The fucking cats in the Amazon, man. They're so big. Those jaguars are big, bro.

They're big and they're so ruthless. He said he was sleeping in a hammock and a jaguar came right up to his hammock and was like breathing in the hammock. Dude, that's so good. Right there. Dude, you got a good ass fucking lion or tiger.

Yeah, I'm fascinated by cats. I think that's the scariest way to die. Tigers are the scariest way. You've seen that one where the tiger leaps up and tries to get that guy where he's on top of the elephant. Oh, yeah. That's a classic. Fuck that. What are you the elephant. Oh, yeah. That's a classic. What are you doing around with tigers, Tom? That's a classic.

Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here, man. With the tigers. Unless you have a fucking machine gun. Yeah. And he's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You can't have a stick. He's trying to get it off with a stick.

Get out of here. Yeah, fuck. And he just ripped his hand apart. That guy got lucky. Yeah, fuck. He just ripped his hand apart. That guy got lucky. Dude, that's the one thing about, you know, the one good thing about living in a city is you're not going to die by witnessing animals eat you alive.

You know what I mean? Right. Every animal in the wild, one day, you're going to witness animals eating you, and you're going to animals eating you and you're gonna be alive and you're gonna watch it right and before that happens you might have your siblings or your kids or your your your uh significant other you're gonna want they're gonna get eaten alive my friend you know that's the only the only thing cool about living in this fucking matrix is at least we're not gonna get eaten alive and and witnessed because that's happening for sure in the wild. In the wild, they're going to get you.

The insects are going to get you or the fucking some kind of cat is going to get you or a bear is going to get you. You're going to watch yourself get eaten alive. That's terrifying, right? My friend Jim Shockey, he's a professional hunter and they hired him to go to Africa to kill these crocodiles because these people in this village were getting fucked up by crocodiles so much.

And what these people would do is they would set up these areas where it was okay for them to wash and to gather water. So they would put, like, sticks in the ground, you know, like block it off, like sticks in the water in the ground so that the crocodiles couldn't get through. But they'd still figure out a way to get through. They knew it. They figured it out. And he said when he was there, everybody in the village was like one guy's missing a foot. One guy's missing an arm. One guy's got a chunk taken out of his leg.

Yeah. It's like everywhere you look, there was people with like a stump for a hand because they were washing and snap it just gator rolls and pulls your hand off and you're running into the village with nothing a bone poking out of your forearm yeah bro the wild that that man people hunt those Yeah They hunt those Some girl This girl just killed one With a fucking bow Like the largest crocodile

That someone's ever killed That a woman's ever killed With a bow It's just insane Here I'll show it to you Go to a Bomar bow hunting On Instagram

And can you cut it right there I got a piss again Cause you get a piss again This is hilarious This is comical. Your dick's broken, bro. But you've been drinking. Dude.

Too much coffee, dude. Coffee and beer. Beer and coffee. Coffee and beer. I'm going to be pissing fucking all night. I haven't had beer in forever. It feels good. It's hot out.

I like a cold beer when it's hot out. A nice Lone Star. You think Bud Light's going to bounce back? I saw a lot of Bud Light commercials. There's a video. I saw Bud Light commercials during football. Look at this. This girl killed this with a bow.

Look at the size of that fucking crocodile. Good Lord. Is it like an angle thing? An angle thing? You know, sometimes things look bigger than they are just from... No. No. Look at the fucking tail on her shoulder.

Where did she shoot? Like, where do you got to get this motherfucker? I think she was in Tanzania. No, but like, you got to get in the neck or something? That's a good question. I think you have to get it at the base of the brain. Does it say? It says quartering away about 40 yards.

Deep breath, calm down. Buried my pin right where the center of his lungs should be. Got him through the lungs. You know that albino alligators are worth a lot in the leather industry? Did you know that? Really? Yeah, because then you could dye it any color because it's albino and it's white. Oh, interesting. The guys from Toehold, they get special white albino alligator

to make alligator flip flops. I wonder if they breed them, if they find like albinos and they try to breed them with other albinos. That makes sense, because it's probably a recessive gene, right? And could you breed them? Or is it just like something

that just pops up every now and then and it's white? You could if you like shoved them all together. Like, fuck, you gotta fuck somebody here. Go ahead There's only like pale ones. I don't think they care You know do you think this racist crocodiles? I like whitey not fucking that white bitch dude, how about those people that like Like I just saw a video of like this family Like taking pictures next to an alligator and one guy's like kind of holding it down and

the mother's coming have you seen that you know something bad's about to happen yeah but the video nothing bad happened oh no no no it did snap but you don't know what happened the guy who had the camera he just dropped it and you didn't see what happened but it did

turn around and snap like what are you doing man show that video where that 14 foot or 13.6 foot alligator has this woman in his mouth in florida that was just a couple days ago right yeah man they just found this thing walking across the ground with the fucking lady in his mouth they will fucking kill you yeah and when you're in florida they're everywhere one of them killed a kid at disney world yeah i was at disney world and i go how much how often do you guys get alligators here the guy looks at me goes all the time i go can't you stop them he goes you don't know when they're there they just they find their way into the lakes and you don't know they're there it's crazy that they're allowed to i mean they're needed right to clean up the swamps and stuff in Florida?

Like, they're needed, right? If that was... They're getting killed. They're getting killed by pythons. There's somewhere in the neighborhood of a... There it is. Can you see it? Um...

I think they've already taken the lady's body. That's the lady. Hurt? Damn! That... No disrespect, but that looks like the kind of lady that might get eaten by a crocodile or an alligator. Fuck, man. Look at all the blood. That might actually be the alligator's blood.

Who knows? They might have shot it already. Jesus. They identified her. There's one story about this dude. He stole a car, and the cops are chasing him. He gets to a bridge, jumps off the bridge, lands on an alligator. And that's it.

Drags him under. That's a wrap, son. And the cops are like, all right. Fuck. In the wild, that's what you have to deal with. Eventually, you're going to get caught. Well, the thing about Florida is it's not just the wild. Florida, it's fucking golf courses.

They have giant ones. You ever seen those videos of giant ones walking across golf courses? Yep. And every now and then, a kid goes missing? Mm-hmm. All the time. Fucking scary, dude. All the time.

What the fuck? Yeah, they're everywhere. And unless you're watching them 24-7, you don't know where they're going. They're not in Southern California, I'll tell you that much. No, they're not. You have alligators out here? Crocodiles? They have alligators.

They have alligators in South Texas. Really? Yeah. Like in lakes and stuff? Yeah, in lakes. Yeah. You know what I saw? I saw a video of a bunch of wild boars.

Like there was three of them and they had a bunch of babies and they're just laying there on trash. They're like in some kind of landfill and all these babies are just sucking on the, you know, the tits, you know, for milk. And they're just like, they're just trash everywhere and there's like three or four of them.

It's like a swarm. Oh, there's so many of them, man. There's millions of them in the state. Millions. Wouldn't that, wouldn't it make sense like to, they got to kill them, the state. Millions. Wouldn't that make sense? They got to kill them, right? They definitely do, but you can't keep up with them.

They can start breeding when they're six months old. But wouldn't it make sense to kill them for food and just have a bunch of food? Oh, they definitely do that. My friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this amazing restaurant in Austin called Dai Due. And he runs a school. What is it called? The traditional school of cookery? What is it called?

Jesse's school? He runs a school where he teaches people how to hunt pigs, how to butcher them, and how to cook them, and he's a chef. And these are all wild boars. Wild boars, yeah. That seems like pretty good business, right? Great business. Yeah. And also very smart.

New school of traditional cookery. And Jesse, I had a chance to hunt with him in December of last year, and we went to South Texas, real close to Mexico. And he was cooking for us so we're in camp hunting deer and he would cook for us so you have this like world-class chef who's cooking these amazing meals you know from these animals that you you cook and you kill out there so he's cooking like ducks and deer and It's amazing. Amazing. And wild pigs, wild boars. What does a wild boar taste like?

Chicken? No, no, no, no. It tastes like pork. It tastes like really good pork. It actually is better than regular pork. Yeah, you think that solves the problem, right? Yeah. It's a darker meat.

It's darker. You know, they're just, you know, they're so invasive. There's millions and millions of them in the state. And just in Texas or they're all over the South? No, they're all over the South. All over. They're all over everywhere now. They're in California. I've hunted them in California.

I hunted them at Tohono Ranch. Where's Tohono Ranch at? It's like Bakersfield. Okay. Out there. It's 270,000 acres. It's like Bakersfield. Okay. Out there. It's 270,000 acres. It's the biggest private ranch in California. I hunted there with Steve Rinella.

I shot one with a rifle, and it was this big pig, man. We roasted it, and oh, it was delicious. It had been eating acorns. It was real fat. It was so good. It's like a delicious fucking meat, man. You know, people frown upon them because they think they're nasty and stinky because they eat everything.

But if you clean them up and you cook them correctly, they're delicious. And Jesse's a master at that. But it's a good animal to hunt because they have to hunt them. They have so many of them. They're overrun. There's fucking millions of them.

And what's the number one thing they destroy crops like what like all crops anything everything doesn't matter everything they go into the ground they fuck the ground up and just destroy the crops they eat everything they eat fences don't keep them out they go right through fences they go under fences they go around fences they find their way man they're fucking really resilient they're tough as shit they have like a thick coating on the outside of their chest like all around here is like this thick of like this like it's an armor plate that they have all around so they could fight with each other because they all have tusks and so they've evolved to develop this like very thick fucking armored plate all around like their neck in this area huh yeah

they're fucking gnarly you know what's scary too is is uh the video footage like in africa of like in landfills and there's just they're just filled with uh baboons and oh yeah what baboons are crazy dude that's like a dog and a monkey combination. Yeah. And they actually train dogs to take care of their young. Yes. Isn't that wild? How crazy is that? Yeah. They train dogs.

Yeah. Yeah, they have dogs in their camp to alert them to predators. Dude, this is a fucking, like, that's like insane, dude. Insane. What the fuck? Imagine being a guy that's fucking there and you got to clean up these landfills and these fucking baboons are everywhere. Yeah, imagine if you live by that. They're such a weird looking animal too.

They got that long wolf-like face and they got. You would think they would go after humans. They do sometimes. They steal babies. There's been a bunch of instances of baboons stealing people's babies and killing them and eating them. Snatch your baby from you and run away with it. Man, what if they snatch it and raise it? I don't think they would.

They'd eat that thing. It's too much work to raise a baby. That's some scary shit, dude. Living near swarms of baboons, you want to live as far away as that shit is possible. What do they deal with on a daily basis? How do you, I mean, because these things are coming in, I'm sure if they're not just straight up attacking,

which would be smart for them because like coyotes and possums, they live with us and we don't fuck with them because they don't fuck with us. It's almost like they know.

When you see a human, just run from them. If you stay in attack, we're going to get exterminated. It's almost like they know that instinctively, right? Yeah, it is almost like they know it instinctively. Well, they're very intelligent. Yeah. They're intelligent like a monkey. I got coyotes all over me. Yeah. And possums.

And those things look fucking scary. Possums aren't scary, though, but they do carry diseases, like serious diseases. They look scary. They look like giant rats. But coyotes, man, they're fucking clever. They're so clever. They're clever enough to know not to fuck with humans, because if they did, they'll take a dog. They'll take a little chihuahua and eat that motherfucker.

Oh, yeah. with humans because if they did they'll they'll take a dog they'll take a little chihuahua and eat that motherfucker oh yeah but if they started attacking they attack one child they're just going to go and there's going to be an extermination process there was one recently that attacked a kid and there's a video of it this guy yeah this guy's like he set his kid down like his young baby you see his kid was like two years old and he sets his kid down he's taking some things out of his car and the baby starts screaming a coyote's dragging the baby away did he get the baby back yeah he screamed and ran after it and the kid's crying it's horrible have you seen those videos of cats defending babies and kids yes that's some cool yeah that's some cool that was this one video where a baby gets out of his little crib or something and is

about to fall down the stairs and a cat just fucking jumps in front of him and pushes him back. That's some crazy shit. That is crazy. That's super intelligent right there. Well, yeah. That's family. And there was another video where it was in a front yard and some dog went after a kid and a cat came out of nowhere.

Yeah, and fucked up the dog. Yeah. Yeah. That's some beautiful shit right there, man. That is beautiful. Yeah. You got a pet that will help you. You would think the cats wouldn't do shit.

You know, you would think that they wouldn't do shit. But probably most of them won't do shit to protect their- Well, they think of that baby as like a part of their family. That's like they would- Look at that. Look at that. as like a part of their family. That's like they would... Look at that. Look at that. Dude.

Yeah. What? Yeah. Come on, man. That's beautiful. Yeah, it's crazy. Look at that. Whoa.

It's like, yeah. Just save that baby. Get set up, baby. How does this... Like, how smart is this cat? They're smart. I mean, they think of a baby as like part of their family, you know? Or they could be thinking, okay, the mother of this baby is my provider.

I got to protect everything. I don't think they think like that. I think they think that that's like one of their family. I think that's what they think. I'm just guessing. Did I ever tell you when a coyote honey potted my dog, Johnny? Remember Johnny Cash? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Johnny Cash, which was after Frank? The giant mastiff? The mastiff. Oh, yes. Yes. So we had chickens, right? And chickens,

they brood. And what a brood is, it's like sometimes chickens, when there's no rooster, they're convinced, like chickens lay eggs every day pretty much, and they don't turn into chicks because there's no rooster to fertilize the egg, right? Rooster fucks the hen. The hen lays an egg. That egg's viable. It becomes a chick. Yeah.

But chicks, the chickens don't know that. So sometimes they get it in their head that this egg is going to be a baby. And so they pluck their own feathers out, and they sit on this egg. If you come near them, they peck at you, and they're brooding. And they won't lay an egg for a long time. And to get them out of the brooding, what you have to do is you have to take them from their big chicken coop, and then you have to put them in a small chicken coop where they have to hold onto a railing. So they can't sit down on the ground and brood, and there's no egg in there.

So they have to sit on this railing. If you keep them there for a few days, they snap out of it. Then you put them back in the chicken coop. Well, this fucking coyote was so smart that it became friends with Johnny, and Johnny was like this giant dog. He was fucking huge. He was 140 pounds, his big old fucking head,

and this other chicken coop was small so we had the big chicken coop that was protected from coyotes and such and then the small chicken coop that you would put the brooders in and so somehow or another this coyote became friends with johnny and the pool guy fucked up and he left the gate open so the gate was open to where the chicken coop was and the coyote convinced johnny to destroy this little chicken coop and so like he couldn't do it he was too little the coyote's like 30 pounds but johnny's like a buck 40 and the coyote couldn't eat johnny because he was huge but he thought this chicken was this coyote was his friend and so i'm sitting there we're

playing some kind of game i forget we're playing monopoly or some shit and we're looking out the window and i see a fucking coyote running through the backyard with a chicken in his mouth and he hops on top of bro we had like a six foot fence this coyote jumped to the top of that fence like an acrobat put his paws his two front paws then his back paws with the chicken in his mouth and sprung over the fence i was like motherfucker and we ran outside i'm like how did this fucking coyote get a hold of the chicken how'd this happen and then i went over to where the chicken coop was and there's johnny just sitting here with this destroyed chicken coop looking at me like what did I do and I was like what the fuck did you do man you look he destroyed the

chicken coop the coyote convinced him to get into that chicken coop because it couldn't do it so he tore the chicken coop apart and the coyotes like thank you snatch see ya yo that's crazy crazy but then Johnny got a taste of chickens. He decided that, oh, well, I should kill chickens too. And Johnny was huge. So another time, someone else left the fucking fence open, and Johnny just went through the chicken coop, the big one, because he was so big. He just fucking tore it apart.

And he killed nine chickens. And by the time I got to him, like, we looked out the window. I was like, why is Johnny in the chicken coop? Fuck! And we ran outside, and he had torn a hole in the chicken coop and just went ham. So we had, like, 19 chickens left, and he killed nine of them. Fuck. And there's a few that were still alive that were fucked up.

Big old fucking puncture wounds in them and shit where he was just shaking them. And whatever happened to Johnny Cash? He died of old age yeah it's sad how long ago was that quite a while ago he was 13 it was real sad it was like 10 years ago it was real at the end man he couldn't even walk i used to have to carry him outside and then he would go to the bathroom and then I'd carry him to his food. It was So that's how one of my cats got cancer and man you just watch him die slowly. Yeah Do you know a lot of dogs and cats get cancer from dog food? Like the the kind of food like dry kibble, you know, not all of it I want to spare all of it. But a lot of dry kibble is just not good for them. Yeah.

Well, I switched Marshall to this frozen food. It's raw frozen food. And, dude, it changed his health so much. He lost body fat. He gained energy. He looks better. It just makes sense. It's like meat.

It's frozen meat and potatoes and like green beans and shit and he fucking loves it he serve it to them frozen he just pour it in you scoop it out serve it in their bowl and he fucking goes nuts for it but it's like changed his health and i was kind of embarrassed that i didn't do that early there's a couple companies that do that like there's like farmers dog that's really good it's a bunch of companies that do that. Like there's like Farmer's Dog that's really good. There's a bunch of different companies that have real food. It's real food. It's like human grade food that you serve to your dogs. They're like, yeah, of course.

Of course. You ever eat a piece of fucking dog kibble? It tastes so bland and such bullshit. It's just filler and who knows. Not all of them. Again, I'm sure some of them are good. But a lot of them is just like what's in there? What the fuck is in there yeah especially uh when i was growing up we would get a gigantic bag of plain

wrap dog food yeah generic dog generic shit giant fucking sack yeah it keeps them alive but it's not they don't enjoy it yeah and. And I started serving him elk meat. So what I would do is I would get some of the elk that I would kill. I would get it ground. I'd get it ground up. And then I would give him a chunk of that and his food. I was going to ask you that. I was like, give him the stuff you hunt.

Yeah. And I was like, this is so much better for him. He loved it. But this is like balanced. It's balanced. It's like cubed beef. It's like little i mean it's look you look at it's fresh it's fresh frozen with cubes of beef and like green beans and blueberries and shit and dude it's changed him like he's he's like thin now he lost 10 pounds he was like 86 pounds now he's like 75 pounds he looks fucking great he's got so much energy

it's just like he was developing all this body fat and it's like just processed food man it's just like humans if you gave a human cereal every day they're gonna look like shit you know it's just not good for them yeah most most most disease i'm sure is caused by what we put in our mouths. Yeah, a lot of it. A lot of it is bad food and then environmental factors, right? I was reading about this thing where dudes who cut countertops in California, there's a lot of guys who are dying from an incurable respiratory disease. Guys who do construction work and they're cutting countertops. Yeah.

Apparently some of these, see if you can find that. Some of these countertops, it's fucking, they're inhaling toxic fumes and they saw this shit. Yeah. You know, and this fucking young guy had like an oxygen tank. Here it is. California workers who cut countertops are dying of an incurable disease. Fuck, man. Industrial stretch of panoma, pacoima, rather, man labored over hefty slabs of speckled stone,

saws whining over sounds of Spanish-language rock. Pale dust rose around them as they worked. Many went without masks. Some had water spurting from their machines, but others had nothing to tamp down the powder rising in the air. Nobody uses water, one man in a Dodgers cap said in Spanish when Maria Cabrera approached

holding flyers about silicosis, an incurable and suffocating disease that has devastated dozens of workers across the state and killed men who have barely reached middle age. Fuck, man. Imagine that, man.

You just got a fucking job and it just kills you. I used to work. I worked at a place for two weeks that bulletproofed cars for diplomats and for check-cashing mobile vans, just bulletproof it. diplomats and for like check cashing mobile vans you know just bulletproof and basically all it is is you you take

apart you put you put slabs of fiberglass in the doors you know so the doors are just filled with sheets of fiberglass so you have to cut the fiberglass to fit the door and when you cut it when you're like sawing it there's all this fiberglass dust

particles all over fiberglass dust particles all over fiberglass dust everywhere i remember thinking fuck this even at i was 18 or 19 when i did that and you had face masks and everything like those n95 or whatever but i remember thinking this fucking can't be good lasted two weeks i had enough of that shit i did construction and i laid fiberglass in people's basements and then their the easements and then they uh did you cut fiberglass pieces and stuff i cut that shit with uh razor knives you know with like exacto knives you cut it and then place it in place i was always itchy and you're sweating because it's the summertime in boston yeah so it's fucking 90 degrees outside and it's all humid and you're in this attic

and you're just breathing that shit and we didn't wear masks. We didn't have nothing. And I was thinking, what the fuck am I doing in here? Yeah. And you're always itchy. Like it just would get in your pores

and fuck, man. Dude, growing up, you know, because my stepdad's an architect, I got a lot of jobs on construction sites. And man, did I learn about fucking work, like real work, like hard work, like labor work. And that taught me that I don't want to do that.

Oh, yeah. I went through the same thing. I don't want to do that. No. I don't want to do that. I roofed for a week. I'm like, no, I ain't roofing. No.

I don't want to sweat while I work. This was why I was still fighting. So I would do that all day, and then I would try to go to the gym at night, and I would be hitting the bag. I was so tired. I was stupid back then. I didn't drink water. I was totally dehydrated.

I was eating sub sandwiches. It was a soda pop for lunch. Yeah. I didn't take vitamins. Doritos. Yeah. And then I'd go and try to work out. And I'd be like, I had nothing.

And I remember thinking, oh, my God, I have to quit. I can't do this. I have to figure out another job. That's when I started teaching. I was like, I have to. And then I started, well, I was teaching and delivering newspapers. I was like, I'd rather be poor. Have you gotten into, you're fasting now, right?

I do intermittent fasting. Yeah. You don't eat breakfast? I very rarely eat breakfast. Yeah, me too, man. I usually eat my first meal after I work out, which is usually around noon. Huge. Working out on an empty stomach?

You were telling me about that. Yeah, that changed my fucking life. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you were telling me about that. It's huge, man. What's changed my life is eliminating most carbs in this carnivore diet. That's changed my fucking life. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you were telling me about that. It's huge, man. What's changed my life is eliminating most carbs in this carnivore diet. That's changed my life. Changed everything.

So you wake up a couple, because you could have a cup of black coffee. Yeah, I'll have coffee. Yeah. I drink black coffee anyway. I don't put anything in my coffee. And you wait till what time to eat? Noon-ish. Noon-ish?

Yeah. You ever go like four or five-ish? Yes. Yeah, sometimes I come straight here, and I don't even eat. The thing about when you eat only meat, too, you don't really get hungry the same way, because you don't have that carb craving that you get, you know? So what I do is first thing in the morning, I get in the cold water. That's my first thing.

Really? Before I work out. I just get in there. Sometimes I'll have a cup of coffee first say goodbye to my kids You know send them off to school kiss my wife Yeah, here we go, and then I fucking suffer and I get in that fucking cold water for three minutes every morning every fucking morning It's a game changer son Game change that's a tough one man. That's a tough. I don't like it, but I love how I feel when I get out of there

I get out of there. I get out of there, I'm like, whoa! And then I do a series of bodyweight exercises to warm up. I do 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats, and then I start my workout. Nice, nice. Before I started working out on an empty stomach, I would, in between, like whatever, like if I was doing bench, in between the sets, I'd be, like, on my phone doing emails or whatever. You know what I mean? I wouldn't do shit for, like, two, three minutes,

and then I'd do the next set. And I would see other people doing sets, and they were doing sets in between their sets. Like, they would just jump and start doing body weight squats and shrugs or some, like, other shit in between what they're doing. I'm like, whoa, I could never do that. I'm like, I didn't have that. And I thought back then I was working out on an empty stomach

because I would have a little protein bar and a little shake and some vitamins. I thought that was an empty stomach. That's not an empty stomach. Your body still is expending energy trying to deal with that shit in your stomach. For sure. So if you ate a tremendous meal, pasta, bread, you just stuffed yourself. And then you try to work out, that would zap like, what, 80% of your energy? You'd be wrecked.

Like 80, 70%. So, you know, a little bar and a little shake and some vitamins. Maybe it's not 80%, but it's like 10%, 15%. And that makes a difference. So once I started, and you know what's crazy? I heard it from people. Like, I heard it from GSP. I heard it from a football player, DK Metcalf.

All day, he doesn't eat. Maybe he eats, like, some, like, candies, little Skittles just to get, like, a sugar rush or something. But it's one meal a day. And then when I heard it from Mikey Musamechi, I'm like, you know what? Let me try this shit. Let me try this shit. And, man, my workoutsumechi, I'm like, you know what? Let me try this shit. Let me try this shit.

And, man, my workouts, dude, I'm doing body weight squats. Because I can't do weighted squats because of the metal in my back. I can't put any weight on my shoulders. Is that the case with your disc replacement? Yeah. How's that doing? How is that? You know, when I went in there originally six years ago they the doctor said okay we both your l5 and

l4 are fucked your l5 is worse that one needs to be replaced right away you had no disc you were based not on the l5 yeah yeah but the other the one above it was uh was looking like shit too so he said you want to do both of them right now if you don't you're gonna have to come back in like five six years and do the one above it want to do both of them right now? If you don't, you're going to have to come back in like five, six years and do the one above. Why didn't you do both of them? Because people were telling me, don't ever do shit that you don't need.

I was hearing that. Because I was like, because it was a game time decision. I didn't have to make the decision until right when they laid me on the table and they said, the doctor said, so what do you want to do?

Because I had choices. I could have went fusion because I was barely qualified for a disc replacement. Barely it was that fucked up yeah they're going dude because you have to your your spine has to be a certain way for disreplacement to work so you have to like qualify it for it and so the doctor said you can do disreplacement but you're like you're right on the cusp and he goes we could do this we could do fusion which boxes it And he goes, we could do this. We could do fusion, which boxes it up, the L5. We could do one fusion. We could do two fusions.

We could do one disc. We can do two discs. Or we could do one fusion and one disc, whatever you want to do. Or you could just do one disc, come back. Did he leave it up to you? He left it up to me. Isn't that wild? Yeah.

So I decided, let's go just one disc and i'll come back five or six years and it's been five six years so my back has been like super stiff sore um it got really fucked up exactly a year ago remember i did your podcast like last September and dude, that whole weekend I could barely put my shoes on. It was really, really bad. And then I heard about the guy that fixed Dave Groggins back. Is that his name? David Goggins. David Goggins, that guy.

He mentions a guy that fixed his back. And his name is Joe Hippensteel. And one of my students works for him. And he goes, man, we could fix. It was a him and he goes man we could fix she it was a woman she goes we could fix your back I got I got metal in my back nothing's gonna fix my back I'm gonna need surgery again and this is about like six months ago and she said just come and talk to Joe I'll set up an appointment talk to Joe he fixed Dave Goggins. Goggins. God, why do I say Groggins? Goggins. And I said, okay.

So I set up an appointment. You know, he's in San Diego. I met him. He's like a former Olympic level decathlete. And he figured out what's wrong with most injuries. with most injuries is his whole system is my back, the pain I'm getting is my lower back muscles are locked. They're actually, they're literally locked. That's why you're stiff and you can't move and it's sore. He goes, you have to unlock, you have to not unlock the muscles and people don't know how to unlock them. So his style of stretching unlocks the muscle. It takes about an hour and a half to do his stretching routine, but it's all on a timer.

You do a two-minute stretch here, one-minute rest, don't do nothing, don't move. Two-minute stretch, one-minute rest, don't do nothing. The general philosophy is you got to stretch to unlock a muscle. You got to do it slowly. You can't get in there and start throwing elbows and fucking yanking and stretching because that does nothing. That just makes it worse. You got to do a slow stretch.

Relax. There can't be any pain. So there's these certain stretches for your lower back. There's five of them just for your lower back. There's a bunch. There's like 27 total, but for your lower back, there's five. And you do them and you're on a clock. Did you go to

him to talk to him and i did i did it on i'm in the middle of it i'm doing it dude my back my back feels like 80 better really yes it's all about unlocking our muscles go to this guy's website joe hip and steel wow yeah so uh he and he's um he flies out every week to the cleveland browns he's a cleveland brown Cleveland Browns physical therapist. He shows them all these stretches. I'm going to show you some shit. He works with the San Diego Padres too. So I'm in the process of that, of fully unlocking my muscles.

But your muscles have memory, so they always go back and they always relock. So every day I got to do these stretches. I'm going to show you some shit. I'm hoping I don't have to have surgery, and it looks like I'm headed to full recovery. It really looks like that. I'm going to show you something that Goggins just sent me. God, how do I save this?

How do I save this? Cancel. Hold on. Okay. Hold on a second. Save. Here it is. so hold on okay hold on a second save here it is um okay uh he was just here a week ago no no no oh he was doing an event here a week ago yeah he does

he does seminars he's he's. He's so awesome, man. He spent the whole afternoon with me. Didn't even charge me. Yeah, that's him. He's got a way of stretching that no one else does. It's not yoga. Yoga is just to get your blood moving. If you want to unlock muscles.

Like he says, when you have a shoulder injury the pain is coming from your bicep locking so you got to unlock your bicep so that i'm i'm you know no expert in his style but i've i've i know uh a little about it and it's working for me man it's working what's the name it's ultimate ultimate human performance that's it ultimate human performance joe hip and steel in san diego man if you know if you're thinking about getting surgery uh you should look into this first it's it's that sounds amazing and the crazy thing is the the stretching there's there's not supposed to be any pain so there is no pain everything has to be as when you you get in a stretch, you have to get at seven.

You don't want to get eight, nine, ten pain. Seven and then the – You do it slowly. It's like cooking like a brisket. You do it slowly. You don't just nuke it. Right. You've got to do it slowly.

So the basic philosophy behind it is you stretch the muscle, and it stretches just a little bit, and then you rest for a minute. Don't do nothing. You don't move. And you lay on your back. It's called the dead zone. And then it just fills the muscles that got stretched. It fills with blood.

And then you go back two more minutes. Let's stretch it a little bit more. And then you rest for one minute. Don't do nothing. Dead zone. And then it fills the blood a little bit more. And it's a slow. And it's an hour and a half slow about an hour and a half so you do it every day i try to if i'm on the road it's tough but you can just do it on your bed it's so

easy it's super easy just do it on my bed yeah so goggins this is the guy in his spare time yeah he fire jumps so this is a dude that's wealthy. Goggins has a lot of money. How did he make his money? He sold a book. His book, Can't Hurt Me, sold a shit. Give me some volume. So give me some volume. Why doesn't it play?

Why doesn't it have any volume? Hmm. Anyway, so he fire jumps into this area, and look at these grizzly bear tracks so what what he does is he fire jumps for the challenge he doesn't fire jump for money like most of these guys are fire jumping they pay you to do it so you do it he does it just because it's fucking hard to do and so he sends me this video He does it just because it's fucking hard to do. And so he sends me this video of these fucking giant bear tracks. He's a size 12 foot.

Look, he's putting it right next to his bear track. So he sends me this video. And I go, oh my God. I go, don't get eaten, brother. And he goes, fuck it. Here it is. Okay. So we'll probably have an overnight partner here. See this grizzly bear prince, man?

Look at these motherfuckers, dude. They're as big as my foot. They're fucking huge. This is a massive fucking grizzly bear. Massive fucking grizzly bear. Look at this shit. Even how wide it is this is fucking a massive ass grizzly bear and as you see he walks right through there

through those woods so we are in big time grizzly bear territory so i sent him a text message. Holy shit. I said, don't get eaten, brother. He goes, fuck it. Stay hard, brother. If you see me fighting a bear, help the bear. Look what he sends me.

Hilarious. And then he writes Goggins with like 10 exclamation points. That's crazy. Hey, dude, I got to catch a flight. Let's let it go. Let's wrap it up. We've been three hours? Yeah.

Okay, cool. We did enough. Thank you. I love you to death, brother. I love you too, man. I'm on Rockfin. That's where I get all conspiratorial. Yeah.

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