The Joe Rogan Experience - #2041 - Steve Strope

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Steve Strope is the owner of Pure Vision: a street machine, muscle car and hot rod fabrication shop based in Simi Valley, California. www.purevisiondesign.com

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day just had a set of these on that band rehearsal on sunday you look you look like you just had that's right i hate to make you feel old yeah but we've known each other for 20 years. Okay. Dude. Thanks. How wild is that? Does time fly or what?

We've been friends for 20 years. That's pretty – really? 20 years. You know what I did? I also experienced the odd time continuum to brief myself for this. I'm like, I should probably look back when i did this this and this and this that and the other thing i'm going holy crap i forgot that was like 2004 are you kidding me 2004 seems so long ago yeah that was the fear factor days yeah that's that's like round around when i met you when when I brought the barracuda to you.

Fish. Yeah. Yeah. Because you, yeah, because it was, well, I have my handy cheat sheet here. You actually made a cheat sheet to prepare for this? Dude, I got paid. Dude, by the way, the shirt, it's exquisite. I know.

Can I officially gift you in front of the camera please do all right so so this is a shirt with the nova that steve built for me yeah steve built the greatest nova the world has ever seen a 1969 nova with camaro yeah you have to see it we could you really we could talk about it all day but people have to actually see it online lots of fun i wanted to do that kind of fucking shirt. So there's a mixture of stuff. Like those clouds and stuff are taken from those crazy Chrysler ads in the 70s, like the Roadrunner stuff with the smoke building up behind it. We copied that.

And then the sun thing was just in like every other 70s artwork I could find. And then, of course, the prerequisite small UFO. And I wasn't going to take your Joe Rogan experience. So and being that I my other life was in rock and roll, of course, I leaned towards the Hendrix of RU experience. So it came out pretty cool. There it is. There's the car. The T-shirt's very cool.

Yeah, there it is. There's the car. The coolest Nova of all time. I love that thing, man. Thank you. It drives so well. It does. I mean, it's not just so cool looking

like it drives so well the independent suspension the way you set it up was it art morrison yeah morrison stuff uh i went a little uh softer on the spring in the front and believe it or not a little stiffer on the rear um and played with it quite a few times before I delivered it to you. It's magnificent. Yeah, I was very, because I set it up. I didn't set it up for track attack because that's not what you're going to do. Right. No, I'm just going to cruise around.

Right. So I set it up so when you go over those little joints in the road going onto a bridge, it doesn't. Leave that up in the background, Jamie. Just leave that there. That was the amazing photography of Wes Allison. Wes Allison, you're the shit. He is the shit. That's a great picture.

I think I need to get a steel version of that picture and put it up on our... Yeah, let's do that. How big do you want it? I don't know. Pretty big. We need a big one, right? It came out real nice,

and the funny thing is, or the... I don't know about funny but the uh point of it was is there's so much done and none of it looks like anything was done yeah it really does look like just a really cool 1969 car if you don't know the manipulation that you guys did to the sheet metal well then not only that the the grill is changed yeah the the the little headlight doors on the side, those are changed. I used to, I would joke with different Nova people and go, give you a hundred bucks if you can tell me what I changed in the front. Oh, wow. And they're like, we added bars.

The grill is actually taller. What does it look like in real life? Do they just have black spaces? What they had was a piece of plastic that came from underneath the bumper and it went underneath that headlight and then came up. So you see on the very outer edge how there's like, I can't count from here, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

6, 7, 8, like 8. Yeah, those bars right there. The bottom three are added. Oh. Jamie, can you pull up a 1969 Nova grill? Or a Nova front end. Nova front end. are added. Jamie, can you pull up a 1969 Nova grill? Or a Nova front end.

Nova front end. There's lots of little changes. Let's see what it looks like. Yeah, well, yeah. There you go. You can see how there's just a piece of plastic under it and it comes up. The silver plastic comes up

so those ribs aren't. That's not the greatest photograph. That's a better photo. There you go. That looks custom. No, he's got the plastic coming up. Yeah, he's got something else, though. You can see that piece of plastic come up.

That's a beautiful Nova, too. Boy. So we extended the grill and extended those outer things to just fill up the space. It just looks better. It's such a unique looking car. Yeah, there it is. that car is just so unique it's such a you know it's and i think it's one of those muscle cars that really never got its due because it kind of started out as more of an economy kind of a car yeah yeah and nova yeah nova wasn't like you know if you had a barracuda you were the fucking man

right if you had a nova it's like oh you couldn't afford a barracuda like if you had a Barracuda, you were the fucking man. Right. If you had a Nova, it's like, oh, you couldn't afford a Barracuda. Like if you had a Duster. Unless you had the Nova SS with the 396. But those were few and far between. There weren't a lot of people that ordered that. When I was a kid, this kid in our high school had a Duster. What was the other one? There was a Duster.

There was a Dodge. Dart. A Dart. Yeah, he had a Duster. Or a Valiant. Yeah, and nobody gave it any respect. I was like like that's a cool car like what's wrong with you people but there was like this thing where like some of those

older cars were less desirable so i'm in high school in so i graduated in 85 so we're talking about i think i think my friend had this car in like 84. So, you know, it really was only 14 years old, which is kind of crazy. Yes, it is. That's super crazy. Like 86 when we were driving around, a 68 was only, what, 18 years old. Right. Wasn't an old car. Not super old.

Yeah, 18 years old ain't shit. That's like 2005. You and I are about to do math. Right? That's bonkers. That's a 2005. Which is like kind of a new car. If you have a 2005 car, you can't differentiate them at all from a 2020.

Unless you're like a car connoisseur. Yeah, sure. If you have a 2005 Camry, it looks like a 2020 Camry. It's interesting how time marches on, how perception of length of time. Like you were saying when we sat down with our friendship, let alone everything else. It's like, how is that 20 minutes? Oh, it's going very fast. That's the one thing our older generation, when we were growing up, told us.

That was the one truth. older generation, when we were growing up, told us. That was the one truth. It goes so fast. Yeah. Enjoy it because it's gone. It's also because when you were a child, one year was literally like one-tenth of your life. It was so long. It was an eternity. Because you had so few points of reference.

But then as you get older and you have more points of reference and more experience and more life, then you realize like, oh, my God, time is full. I don't have much time at all. No one does. It's amazing how the boost kicks in and all of a sudden 40, 50, 60. What the hell just happened? And you're just like, let's hang in there as long as I can. I got some stem cells today. I did?

Yeah, I was reading this thing. I'll send it to you, Jamie. But they believe now that through stem cell technology, they're going to be able to extend lifespan far greater. And the article said something about having people work until they're 120, which is like not a good selling point. Yeah. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

Hey, you can suffer longer. Yeah. Hey, you can hate what you do longer. You got it already? Oh, there it is. We'll be living and working to 120, and it will start within a decade, says Doctor to the Star. So they're not necessarily saying you'll be working until you're 120,

but living and working. So this guy is using stem cells. I believe we can create prolongation of life, von Schwartz cells. That sounds like the beginning of every horror movie. We believe we can have prolonging of life. We can do it. Dun, dun, dun. Oh, goody.

Probably within a couple years, people can live to be 120, 150 years old, if not longer than that. It's not just bed-bound, non-communicating individuals, but really active individuals who participate in social life, professional life, and have a quality of life. Because that's the goal. I'm in. Let's go. I'm enjoying life. know i'm enjoying uh doing stuff and my friends that are um older that are having like health problems it really makes me realize like man you got to stay on top of everything because if you don't if it slides

off and then you have to try to bring it back up it's way harder than maintaining yeah i'm yeah yeah you know the stem cell thing uh if he could if von doom there could get on uh on the eyeball i'd be very appreciative that would have do they let's tell everybody what happened to you because this is a crazy thing um oh it's a real bummer right you just out of nowhere started seeing dark spots right no what happened was well little background I had already Stage one was going into your local doctor eye guy because you have metal in your eye Oh wow, that's some of the fun that happens even when you're wearing safety glasses all the haters calm down We wear safety glasses.

How did it get in? Oh, it just bounces around. You know, you're working with a carbide bit spinning at, you know, 15,000 RPM. Stuff bounces around. But since then, I've been using, I found this place in France that makes these antique motorcycle World War I aircraft goggles that seal. The Nazis used to use for duels? I don't know that one.

You don't know that one? But it seals to your eyes, and it's got little vents in it so they don't fog up. But anyway, I got metal in my eye, which is, for those of you who haven't done it, it's lots of fun. You hold still. You're wide awake. And they come at you with a Dremel drill bit, and they drill it out. Oh, jeez. And the instructions are, hold still. You're wide awake. And they come at you with a Dremel drill bit, and they drill it out. Oh, Jesus. And the instructions are, hold still.

Don't move. Right. Oh, my God. I mean, they put a numbing drop in. So what? But you still see the drill bit coming. Oh, my God. Easy, easy.

You can handle it. Oh, my God. The stuff you've been through, I'm sure you can handle it. Yeah, that's wild, though. So I've been drilled a couple of times. That sounds wrong and it if they came up with a photo of my eye it'd look like a golf ball little dimples when the drill comes in so anyway that guy is like you know when they're in there they're if they're experienced cats they just happen to look around right yeah and he goes hey

um i think you should come back and talk to our other doctor so and so and have him do some tests because i saw some stuff don't know but i think it'd be wise if you blah blah blah so i go in we do the test and the guy goes and this is wow this is a while ago uh 14 15 years ago here we are again with that time portal. Right. He goes, you have advanced glaucoma. Then I go, what the hell is that? And he goes, it's like creeping death. It slowly takes your peripheral.

And most adults don't know that they're going blind until they're 80. And it's moved so slow that you don't you don't notice the change right well mine's trucking along and so we start with medication that lowers in your eye you basically got a faucet and a drain and if the drain's plugged up or if the faucet's on overload, it's acting not like a water balloon but pressure builds. That pressure is, think of your optic nerve, right? Your brain is the cable TV company. Your eye is the expensive flat screen TV and the cable connecting the two of them, right? That pressure building up is like somebody with a heel of his boot digging on that cable.

And sooner or later, nothing, right? So you take medicine to reduce the pressure so it doesn't eat away at the optic nerve. Okay, great, we got that under control. We're killer. So then, probably eight, nine years ago, I have cataract surgery in my right eye and um put the cataract lens in and it's like oh my gosh it's a crystal clear and beautiful and incredible you know stoked on it about a year passes and i'm at pri which is the race real serious race version of sema

it's in indianapolis so there's no fuzzy dice there it's all race car parts and stuff like that and i'm walking around and i just i don't know how to describe it but it actually moved in stages like a curtain coming down just gray and then you just saw gray and it was my retina falling off detaching so i'm in indy and i fly back and get together with the doctors and they're like you got to put that shit up and um instead of doing the long version i'll give you the short version seven surgeries later and every time you have the surgery, there's stitches in my eye. And that's fun. That's way more fun than the drilling.

And you're laying face down for a week. Oh, boy. Can't move. And it just kept falling off. They couldn't go up, so I went to another surgeon. I also have a buckle permanently sewn into my eye did they try to change the shape of the eye to promote the retina staying up better oh boy so anyway um got to new doctor great guy dr osmali back home in cali and he's like i got this man these other guys losers. We're going to get it up there and we're

going to stick it up. That was surgery six and, um, it didn't hold. And he was more, I think he was more depressed than I was. And, look, I don't think I can. I'm going to go try to save your eye. I'm not going to save your sight. And he did it this way, which I thought was cool. He went and did a little research to speak in my language. And he goes, when you're trying to weld metal if uh both the pieces are kind of rusty and beat up or whatever that it won't weld very good right i'm gonna go true

he goes so you gotta have clean metal to clean metal to weld i go yes that's true he goes well all the attempts have just taken away the living shit out of the, um, retina. So I'm going to cut away the yucky stuff and I'm going to have a new edge to, they, they use a laser. They basically,

the only thing they know how to do is tack welded up. That's what they do. Right? So he goes, I'm going to make new clean edges. I'm going to weld it up. You're going to lose some sight at least because I'm taking away part of the retina. But I'm going to save your eye because if the eye, if we can't get something going on in there, then your body will kill off your eye.

It shrinks back. It's painful. Pop it out. Put a glass eye in. I go, yeah, let's yeah, let's not. So he did that and uh he goes i cut away about a third of the retina and i had a visual like a vertical rectangle of sight right not all the way over to here to here here to here but uh fast forwarding scar tissue moved over and pretty much just eliminated. And they're like, we can go in and— Oh, Jesus. We're not going to go in and do anything.

Oh, Jesus. So this one's basically gone. That's that for now. We'll see if science checks in. Do you know who Michael Bisping is? No, sir. Michael Bisping is one of the toughest human beings that's ever walked the face of the earth. Fair enough.

This is what I said. And not just because he was a ufc middleweight champion but because michael bisping fought the last 10 fights of his ufc career including winning the title blind in one eye and he didn't tell them he hit it oh i heard about that yeah he hit it he didn't tell anybody do you know gangster you have to be to want to be fighting the best fighters in the world? Dan Henderson. And not being able to see over here. Anderson Silva. And you can't see out of one eye.

Like his one eye is gone, man. Yeah, I understand. Which is fighting world-class fighters that you can see his right eye is completely missing. It's like it's just foggy. Yeah. He wears like a little thing that goes over it like a lens so it looks normal. But he's a fucking stud. That guy fought 10 fights with one eye.

Just think of a fight with two eyes. It's fucking terrifying. And fighting against the best guys in the world. And he wins the title. Knocks out Luke Rockhold with one eye. Yeah. Well, it took a lot. I would sit there and practice like basketball into garbage cans just to try to retain the depth perception.

That's the real issue, right? Yeah, it's difficult. And then also it's frustrating when you're so anyway, the fun. I'll interrupt myself to continue with the fun. So now I'm where I'm at, right? And they're like, your other eye is going to need cataract surgery. Oh, Jesus Christ. And I'm like, so I did ask when the retina fell off, hey, did the cataract surgery have anything to do with that? Possibly, you know. And every doctor and every specialist and everybody I talked to all said the same thing.

I'm paraphrasing. Well, any procedure on your eye may, could, might, possibly have the possibility of. Like one of those commercials for a pharmaceutical drug. So it's like, did the operation on your eye cause the retina to fall off? Anything could. Maybe uh anything could maybe anything could maybe so anyway so now i've got to have cataract surgery on this one i got a great guy who's one of the best in the west coast etc etc we do the surgery and there is a mistake in, because they account for my pressures.

They try to keep the pressures low because of my glaucoma. Well, they went a little too far. My pressures were down to, your normal eyes run, like your eyes probably run at like 20, 22, maybe even a little bit higher, but right around there for pressure inside we'll call it we'll call it air pressure you know it's not the right term but so mine with medication we keep it down at like 13 and 12 right okay so um when after the second cataract surgery the one on

the one working eye they had dropped the pressure so low i coughed and it blew out blood vessels inside my eye which when you wake up and you look it looks like it's snowing inside your it looks like it's snowing and i'm like what the hell is going on and at the same time we did a special little surgery to like drill out the drain tube because in my eyes the faucet's wide open and the drain tube's plucked that builds the pressure so the medicine turns the faucet down and clears away the drain tube right so we drill out the drain tube i'm over i'm making this well i'm sure there's eye guys listening that's not technically look they drilled the describing mechanical right they drilled the damn open. So all the blood goes down and plugs that.

So that ruined that. Yay. And so they rush me and they basically take a needle and insert fluid into my eye. I'm wide awake. Mind you. Just two little. You ever been where the two handles under the table? Oh, yeah.

You grew up in them? Yeah. Oh, my God. Motherfucker. Do they have your head secured or anything? No, you just put it in the little foamy breeze. Oh, boy. So they do that, and that was miscalculated, and the pressures went to like 62.

And I was, what's the word? Terrified? No, I was throwing up. I couldn't stand up. I was so disoriented because it was, I mean, it was screwing with the deal. And so the doc, who, again, great guy. I'm still, I'm not slamming him. And he actually met me at his office at like, I don't even know when it was, three in the morning.

And I'm throwing up in his bushes out front. Oh, my God. Right? And he did this three times, head in the thing, hands on the handle, took a blade, lifted my eye, and let the pressure out, let the fluid out. So I'm like, taking that right so now we get the pressures under control right and so that was uh two to three years ago and believe me every day when i wake up and i can see like is this the day this retina falls off? Am I going to have a repeat of the last one? Oh, my God, I have clammy hands.

I really do. I'm the one living through it. You don't have to worry about it. You're good. Yeah, but still, it's for you. Yeah, it's, you know, but it's like anything else. When someone has something, when something is always over your shoulder, you can either focus on it and worry about it

or just go to the shop and build some cool cars. Well, I'm glad you chose the latter. I guess that's the only choice to make. Yeah. I can't. So I do go like every four to six weeks. I have a lady I love, Dr. Tor. I go to her office.

Luckily, it's like a mile and a half from my house. So I go down and we check my pressures. I don't have to. She's like, you're fine. Come in six months. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm coming in once a week. But I come in at like four to six weeks.

We check the pressures. We look at the retinas. So we're a day at work. Have you looked into stem cells? Was there anything with stem cells? There's nothing as of now. I have a meeting with the doctor, Asmali. I'm getting together with him next month.

And he's down at, I think it's UCLA. He's real hip with that stuff. They're still hip? People are still hip? Yeah, he's hip. That t-shirt you're wearing. With your fucking band hair. Still hip, man. So he's hip to all the new information. wearing with a 69 Nova with your fucking band hair.

Still hip, man. So he's hipped all the new off-the-edge. Yeah, I'm going to grill him again, and I'm interested. I'm going to talk with him because I don't know. When they were saying, we'll go in and clean the scar tissue, I'm like, absolutely. Let me connect you to my friend Brigham. He owns Ways to Well, which is a stem cell clinic in Austin, and he is

he was one of the most amazing guests I ever had on the podcast where he explained how these things work but one of the things that he does is he's always up on the latest research

in terms of like he's the one who sent me that thing this latest article about people living at 120 years old the beginning of the horror movie we shall make you forever soldiers

forever you will be connected to the big machine. Oh, terrific. I'm in. But let me connect you to him. All right. He'll know what's going on in terms of like if there's anything going on with eyeballs. There's a lot of really good stuff with neurodegenerative issues. People that have all sorts of neurological issues have gone down I know

dr. Reardon from Panama was talking about that he's the first guy I ever had come on and talk about stem cells he's the guy that came out with Mel Gibson and if you ever saw that one like oh yeah oh that guy okay I am how it was described to me was again there were at least he was being honest, he was like, the retina is like brain tissue. We know what it is, and that's about it. We can't reproduce it. We can't copy it. We can't make it.

We can't, again, all they do is tack weld it up with lasers. My hope is they're going to be able to make new ones because one of the things they've been able to do with stem cells, they've actually made a woman's bladder, I believe. I believe they reconstructed an actual bladder with stem cells, with her tissue, and then put it in her body. I don't know if that's true. I think that's true, which is obviously it seems like that would be a less complicated thing than, you know,

than an eyeball that has to like, yeah. And I've heard of them trying to, or somebody doing an eyeball. Really? Because it's easier to make the whole thing than try to replicate. Right. That's what I was thinking.

I'm like, how are you going to connect it to all those optic nerves? How are you going to want that? Yeah. What are you going to do there? And what does that do to the, like, what does that go South? And then all of a sudden you the? Yeah. What are you going to do there? And what does that do to the, like, what if that goes south?

And all of a sudden you forget your childhood. You know what I mean? Like, what's connected back there? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how they're going to do it. What are your weird dreams about hanging out with your brother that are going to be just gone forever?

You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know. I'll be interested to talk with Asmali again when I'm back in and just see if there's any new, because I'm down for it. Jamie, did you find anything about them making eyeballs? I thought I was looking up a bladder. Yeah, you were looking up the bladder. Did you find that?

Is that real? Making? Is that real? I think it's real. But I never know. I mean, I say things sometimes and I go, okay, let me check. Fair enough. Because I don't expect to be talking about people making bladders.

It just, you know, this wasn't part of the plan today. It's just how it goes. Oh, I'm the benefit. No, we all are the benefit. It's just a real conversation. Yeah, the quick search shows that there's definitely studies on bladder regeneration, but there's a difference between them getting a functional urinary tract, kind of like functional bladder. I see.

So I think it does, from what I've looked at it, they have gotten it in an animal. In a small animal, I think is what it said. So they didn't do it to a woman? I was just looking into it, and then you kind of cut me off. Okay, go ahead. Try to find it for a woman, because I'm pretty sure I read that. I was very impressed. They could have got me, though. They could have got me some clickbait bullshit.

They get me. So many times they get me, these motherfuckers. Ooh, look at that. Woman splatter. But hey, that's their job. You got me. It's fair and square. That's the job.

Their job is to fucking make some shit that you're going to click on. So if they can make the most outrageous version of what is kind of true. Right. It's iffy at best. A little iffy, but it's kind of true. A new bladder made for myself. Gave my life back. Bioprinting human tissue.

Especially that. It's the same thing. Is that it? No, this is from 2018. It's not the same thing. Yeah, that's it. This was a little kid, though. Is it a girl?

Luke Masella. Does he identify as a girl? Way to push. Sorry, Luke. Push that to the edge. Trying to push gender ideology on Luke. Does he identify as a girl? Sure.

Why not? I'm just trying to be right. Maybe on Wednesday. I'm just trying to be right, Jay. I mean, there are stories that are shown. I don't know if I might have to find something specific to find the one you're talking about. How about that? Find the eyeball.

Yeah, let's find the eyeball. The eyeball is more important to Steve. Yeah. To all of us. A little closer for me. So anyway, I'm going to revisit and ask them if we have to go in like they did before to scrape off the scar tissue. Because I did have a vertical slot of sight. Because this eye has a new cataract lens, which is still in there.

Right. And I remember when I. But the scar tissue is covered over it. Yeah, when I could walk around again and I was walking outside, you know, I'd cover this eye and there would be a. Instead of this, it would be like that. A vertical full height height but just not as wide but clear sight and i'm like well you know it's been a while now if they can clear that off and i can get that that'd be that'd be awesome yeah that'd be amazing i mean oh yes so they

think they can do that he suggested it back then so i was not ready to do it. I was sick and tired of being on the table. I literally knew how to put the IV. I prepped myself for freaking surgery. Did you give yourself an IV? No, I'm just saying I could. I was so freaking... When you go in the surgery center and they go, hi, Mr. Strope.

Yeah. You know, recognize you. Giving yourself an IV is next level, right? It's like giving yourself a tattoo. Yeah, I'm not doing that. Guys who tattoo the inside of their own thighs are like, whoa. Who the hell is doing that? A lot of folks.

Okay. I'm glad I'm not. Guys practice on themselves. Hmm. Yeah. I'm going to say no for that one. Well, tattooists do it to themselves all the time. If they want something and they maybe want to draw it and they're very skilled,

maybe they want a specific kind of flower somewhere. Fair enough. If they want something and they maybe want to draw it and they're very skilled, maybe they want a specific kind of flower somewhere. Fair enough. And they can reach it. Stem cells from one eye show promise in healing injuries in the other. Interesting. There's another story too where a kid had a very specific eye injury that was called a stem cell.

My problem, it's not my problem. Well, it is my problem. But my situation is there's stuff they do on the outside, like cadaver stuff, but the inside, like the retina, what I've been told is like no man's land. It's like, well, good luck. It's like, oh, you can get that from a dead body. No, you can't. They can't replace a retina.

And if I'm wrong, great. Bring it on. Maybe they just can't do it now. Well, yeah. But then it's also someone else's organ. So you're going to have to take all these drugs to keep your body from rejecting it. Yeah. I'm sure there's no.

My friend C.T. Fletcher had a heart transplant a few years back. He's an amazing person. Like, he's a super, super inspirational person. And had a heart transplant. And now he has someone else's heart inside of him. Now he has to take medication. That's so trippy. It's crazy.

So your body, when you have someone else's organ in your body, your body knows it's not yours. So your body tries to reject it. So I imagine that does wreak havoc with your immune system. But it's keeping him alive. And it's amazing, man. This guy is so full of love he was like this crazy wild like power lifter dude who was like real like like just real motivational and aggressive you know and now he's like this like real peaceful interesting like wise person who's enjoying his last moments alive you know but it's it's heavy

it's heavy i mean the heart is obviously the big one right yeah that's the big probably really important we're we're fucking 10 years 20 years away max from them being able to suck your brain out of your head and put it in a robot oh good that'd be That'd be great. They're going to give you a Steve Strope robot. That'll be terrific. You're going to look like Ken from the Barbie movie. I hope not. Yeah, and the first ones won't be able to feel real pleasure, and so you have to sign off on that, but then the next ones,

the better ones will. That's where this is going. So you have to decide whether or not you're going to get another surgery. They've never removed a brain from one robot and put it in another robot. You know that, right? Yeah, but they pretty, they know how to do it. They're pretty good at it. Who's they?

These new people in the future, the robot brain scientists. Oh, good. Yeah. Would you opt in for that or would you rather just say, let's see what's next? Let's let the lights go dim and see what's next. That's a good question. It's a good question. I don't know.

I don't know. It's hard to say because everybody's scared to die, but no one's a good question. It's a good question. It's hard to say. Because everybody's scared to die but no one's scared to sleep. That's a good statement. Yeah, it's weird. Because you're expecting the odds are you're waking up. You should be expecting the other one too. You know? True. It comes for all of us. Yeah, that's the

great equalizer, is it not? I wonder if that's like, you know, if Satan was real, that would be the ultimate temptation, to trick you into transferring your consciousness into something immortal so that you can never experience heaven. Wouldn't that be wild if that's what's going on? Because everybody wants to think that even people that believe in God, they don't necessarily talk too much about Satan. It's very rare. I have a very – your good old standard issue religious background with my parents. What did you start off with?

Well, I'm from a – we're going to get into Appalachian in a little while. Appalachian? Appalachia? Appalachian. What's that? Appalachian Mountains, the Yeehaw stuff down south. What kind of stuff did you guys do? What kind of stuff did you guys do?

You didn't do the Yeehaw stuff. What did you guys do? Appalachian, New York is a very small farm town in upstate New York. Still has a red light at the end of it where it meets 434. Okay. Has a post office and a fire station. Okay. And known for a very important large mafia bus in 1957.

A mafia bus? There's actually a paperback and a movie about Appalachian. What's the movie or paperback? Appalachian. It's just called or paperback? Appalachian. It's just called Appalachian? Yes. Yes, sir. And it's all about the mob?

It's a huge bust. Look at it. On this day in 1957, the FBI finally had to admit that the mafia existed. They were all gathered in a farmhouse, the leaders of the main mob families, and they were basically working out jurisdictions, properties. I think I was researching some stuff one time, and I stumbled across this meeting happened after a failed meeting in Cleveland

because the Cleveland family fucked up the meeting, and they got mad. It's like, fuck it, we're doing it in New York. Yep, they did it, and so the two sheriffs just saw these black Cadillacs and Lincolns going up to this farmhouse and I think

if memory serves me right they kind of fucked up and all panicked and ran into the woods. In fact, they did do that. But if they just would have said, hey, we're just hanging out, what are you going to prove? But they all bailed and they ran into, if I remember right, they're coming out of the woods near where my dad, where my grandma's house was.

That was a dirt road back then. And I could take you there. The house is on top of a little hill behind the area where we have our fireman's field days every year. State troopers noticed all the fancy cars parked in Barber's driveway and started taking down license plate numbers. Some have suggested that. How hard back then in the 57, started taking down license plate numbers. Some have suggested that. How hard back then in the 57, you get a license plate number, what is it, like a week

until you find out whose fucking car it is? You know what I mean? It suggests that one of the Genovese rivals tipped the cops in hopes of spoiling Genovese's crown ceremony. Oh, God. The assembled mafioso noticed this and began to panic.

Some fled into the woods, some hidden in the basement. Others ran to their cars and tried to drive away. The troopers caught about 60 of them. When questioned, many insisted they were there for a barbecue. Yes. They had just come to visit their good friend Joe Barbera, who was recovering from a heart attack. When all was said and done, the troopers had apprehended mafia leaders from New York, New Jersey, Tampa, Los Angeles, Cleveland, Dallas, Pittsburgh, and other locations.

But isn't that funny? What did they bust them for? Just being there? What, they all wanted already? Well, I think the paperwork laying on the inside was showing dividing up territories. Oh, boy. And it was one of the first times that the FBI had proof. Hold up.

Look at this. The whole thing made national news and finally forced the FBI to acknowledge that organized crime is a matter worthy of notice. Some believe that J. Edgar Hoover's reluctance to acknowledge the mob's existence can be ascribed to the mafia somehow acquiring photographs of Hoover in drag and using those to blackmail him into leaving the mafia alone. There is no evidence to suggest that this is true. That was always the rumor. But that would be the rumor if there was a guy that ran the FBI. Like, what dark secrets does he have?

You know, if he's, like, holding the secrets of everyone. What's his secret? What's his secret? Probably you'd have to have secrets. You'd probably go crazy if you didn't. You know, like, you're the one who keeps the secrets. You'd probably do the weirdest shit. Possible.

So almost automatically you would think that he would wear drag. the one who keeps the secrets you'd probably do the weirdest shit so the possible so almost automatically you would think that he would wear drag yeah that's where my brain goes that's what my brain would go like he's doing some freak shit he's doing some quote freak shit freak shit you know if you you are more you know dark-minded you would think even horrible things they're doing horrible things that's always the uh the worry that people have about the elites. Like, what are they doing? Like, the skull and bones and what kind of fucking rituals? What kind of freak-ass shit are they doing?

What freak shit are you doing? You know? And getting away with. Yeah, when you're on a $500 million yacht every weekend and you're just fucking balling all over the world, hanging out with your other balling all over the world buddies, doing freak shit. Yep. Staying in the club together buddies, doing freak shit. Yep.

Staying in the club together. Mm-hmm. Hunting people. Freaky. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Freaky. Freaky.

Freaky. Yeah. So anyway, background, small South Appalachian Baptist Church. My dad's a deacon at the church. My sister is married to somebody who's a pastor, and she moved to France, Mont-Pleur, and she's a missionary there. So all the basic Christian education, I got it. But no one you know has had conversations with the devil, right?

No, not really. But people, I bet you've talked to people that said God has talked to them. Not, I don't know. My dad would never say God talked with me directly said you know he some people he reads the bible it's not an uncommon thing though no but my my my background or or the the church i grew up in and my mom and dad are are pretty strict like pastor walter growing up that guy was um a logger you know this, this was a small little town. That's a cool story.

And he had, I'm not kidding, he had a scar from here down through his jaw to here, a chainsaw, jumped back and went, cut him right through the face. That's a manly man right there. It's like a Ted the Atlas scar. Took himself to the hospital. Fuck yeah, he did. With a towel on the side side or a shirt on the side of his face.

Of course he did. Yes, he did. Probably would have fucking stapled it shut if he had a stapler in the car. And he was the nicest, pleasant, like, hi, good afternoon. Yeah, I've seen some shit. Oh, my goodness. He doesn't have to convince you. So everything, it was real simple.

Here's a good book. Read it. If it says yes, do it. If it says no, don't. That's all. There's no pomp and circumstance. There's no robes. That's your childhood.

Real simple. Real simple. Real straightforward. But my dad would be interested, and he'll be listening to this. So he would be interested in your thing of if the end times doesn't come and Satan can say, hey, guess what I can do? But here's the thought. Would somebody take that? If Satan really was clever.

Oh, if he's real? If he's real. He is the prince and power of the thought. Would somebody take that? If Satan really was clever. Oh, if he's real? If he's real. He is the prince and power of the air. He is the great deceiver. He is very clever. Right. But if Satan is a real thing, what a genius thing to make it ridiculous to believe in him. What a genius thing to make it so that even saying you've communicated with Satan or saying-

You sound like a loon. You sound like a loon. Because if you negate him- We were just talking about this the other night. I said that if the president said, God is with our troops, we would say, awesome. But if the president said, we've located the devil, he's in Afghanistan, and we're beginning bombing. He'd be in a nutshell. He'd be like, what the fuck did you just say?

And you're right about genius because if you're ridiculed or look like a loon for believing in Satan, then by default you're a loon for believing in God. So he's done his job by negating everything. Well, sort of. Well, to a point. Because a lot of people that believe in God. They're both in the same book. They believe in Satan as a concept, I think.

I think it's like a, there's like a graph. True. Of people that, like if you had a pie chart of all the people that believe in God, right? Sure. Or the entity of God. The ones that think that Satan's a real thing is probably like a quarter of the pie. And if they read, again, not some weird crazy, but just the plain Jane Bible. Right.

Satan was the number one angel. He was number two in charge. He was the big cheese and said, I want to have everything. And God was like, not going to happen. Yeah. But isn't that always like even in the mob? Yes. That kind of thing happened.

Number two tries to kill number one. Yeah. When they killed Paul Castellano in front of Spark Steakhouse in New York City. Is that the shot you have right there in the hall? No. What shot is that? Oh, that's Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald. That's right.

That's it. Yeah, that's a different one. Yeah. So in my area around me, there's a lot of Italian. Growing up, lots of Italian. Lots of Italian. Right. So I got good food.

There you go. Really good food. They know how to eat. I'll tell you that. If you want to eat for pleasure, the Italians got it nailed. There you go. Really good food. But so- They know how to eat. I'll tell you that. If you want to eat for pleasure, the Italians got it nailed. Yeah, they do. They do. What's crazy is the difference between their food here and their food in Italy.

It's gone on its own chute. Yeah, but that's not what I mean. I mean in terms of what it does to your body. I would really like some fucking signs to be done on it. Like, what is happening? You go to Italy, you eat their pasta, you don't feel bad at all. You come to America,

you feel like you ate a bowl of glue. I'm like, oh my God, I can't move. A bowl of glue, sir. I can't move. There's something about their bread, it's different. Apparently they have heirloom wheat. They have different wheat before we started fucking with it.

We should unfuck the wheat, kids. because i know it's like higher yield joe rogan's new unfun the wheat this is what i think but you know there's also some people that believe that one of the things that we're experiencing when people have like gluten intolerance is an intolerance to to wheat is actually you might be getting glyphosate from it. This is a highly speculative theory, but they've tested people and they found that, what was it, Jamie, like 94% of people, 94% of people have glyphosate in their body. And glyphosate is toxic. It's an herbicide? Yeah, it's an herbicide. Is it because what we do to plant and grow wheat? Yes. Well, we grow corn. You know, Monsanto created it, and they created a corn that is immune to it.

So you eat, like, this Monsanto corn, and they can spray glyphosate on it, and it kills everything else. It kills all the bad weeds, and you just get the nice corn. Okay. The problem is that stuff gets in everyone's body in some small amount and the question is like, is your body able to filter out the amount that it has in it? Like what's the toxic level? Are we below the fear? Is it fear mongering?

Because like there's a certain amount of metals that you're going to get just from eating sushi. If you get some salmon or some tuna rather from the Pacific Ocean, there's real high possibility that you could get mercury in it. Some amount, right? Isn't it like, what's the prevalence of toxic metals in tuna? Let's just guess. Because I think, I have a friend. I don't want to mention his name, but he's brilliant.

And he won't eat fish from the Pacific anymore. And I said, why? And he said, Fukushima. He said, they're literally dumping this nuclear water into the ocean. And we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know what effect this is going to have. We don't know the ocean's just going to easily absorb it or whether it's going to kill fish. We don't know if it's just gonna easily absorb it or whether it's gonna kill fish We don't know if it's gonna contaminate them. They're gonna have levels of radiation. He was freaking me out And he's a lot smarter than me. Oh You're not it doesn't fucking eat fish from the Pacific anymore. I'm like whoa is that valid?

So what what's the first of all? It's look at first one is tuna Are there levels high levels of mercury and tuna? Yeah, so you could get mercury poisoning from one serving sorry, let me rephrase that the amount of Mercury you're allowed to have in a week. You could get in one serving of tuna Jesus, so if you're eating sushi every day Because I've heard of people actually getting sick from eating sushi every day like they literally get mercury poisoning yeah oh not not good no um what is that shit that I had first Nick yes I was eating sardines like

every day I love sardines. Okay. I love them. So I'd eat like three cans of sardines a day. And I go to my doctor. I get my blood work done. He goes, um, you have arsenic in your body. Arsenic?

Arsenic. Yeah. Trace levels of arsenic. And I said, how much? Like someone's trying to poison me? He goes, I don't think so. He goes, are you eating a lot of seafood? I go, I eat three cans of sardines a day.

He goes, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't think so. He goes, are you eating a lot of seafood? I go, I eat three cans of sardines a day. He goes, don't do that. Don't do that. And he explains to me that these are bottom feeders and that they live a lot of times in areas that are polluted by humans. So we fucking polluted the ocean to the point where if you eat too much fish, you get sick. You know, all these people that are worried about the weather warming up and climate change. What are we doing to the ocean? What are we doing? I mean, how many, what's the number in terms of depopulation? How much fish are missing from the ocean than 50 years ago? I think a large amount.

Let's ask the population, the fish population in the ocean now versus 50 years ago. Let's find that out. Let's guess. Let's guess. Before you give me the answer, let's guess. How much of the ocean's fish has been depleted in the last 50 years? I'm going to say 50%. No, I'm going to say 70%. Really? Yeah, I'm going to say 70%.

I was at like 45, maybe 50. That's probably reasonable. I might be fear-mongering. Let's find out. Fear-mongering? Yeah, I've done that before. Oh, good. Okay.

You're not a lot. You're not massively mongering. You play cornhole at the beach. I'm not like a cornhole player. Right? I've played a few times at the beach with my kids. It's on ESPN now. I guess it's a legit sport.

Oh, dear. So, Jamie, what was your guess? Help us all. There's too many questions I have before I could give you a good guess because it's already a strange, like how are they going to measure that in 1950? Good question. And even now, how would you know how many fucking fish there are? Very good question. Very good question.

More than six. Yeah, especially when you, how many fucking fish there are? Very good question. Very good question. More than six. Yeah, especially when you, there's more than six fish. Yes. Especially when you account for the fact that we haven't really explored most of the ocean. So how they measure it is based off of how much they're pulling out. Right. So they measure how much they've taken in for the year. How much they've murdered.

So what's the estimates in terms of the mass that's down? 1950 total catch of fish in the ocean was an estimated 18.5 million metric tons. Now, a half century later, it says 73.5 million metric tons. That's an increase.

That's an increase. But another guy says that 90% of all large fish have been removed from the ocean since 1950. And I don't know, like, how would he know? Click on his. Put it up there. Let's see what it says. That sounds interesting, because that

sounds crazy. 90%? Clover populizes the work of fishery scientists such as Daniel Pauly, a marine biologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who have pieced together a picture of imminent catastrophe in the global ocean. Among the first to recognize that fisheries catch rates were in decline worldwide, Pauly discovered in 2001 that the phenomenon had previously gone unnoticed owing to systematic distortions in catch trends that were skewed by incorrect reports from

countries with big fisheries. In 2003, Boris Worm and Ransom Myers of Dalhoy... How do you say that? Dalhoyse? Dalhoysey? Sure. University in Halifax, Nova Scotia reported that 90% of all large fish, including tuna, swordfish, and marlin and cod cod had been removed from the ocean since 1950

Holy shit Holy shit Hmm the land at the end of the line is informative clothes at a book He wrote the end of the line Clovers reporting reveals that bluefin tuna the endangered species with perhaps the most alarming reveals that bluefin tuna, the endangered species with perhaps the most alarming plight in the ocean, is allegedly being bought and frozen in bulk by major corporations. Once ocean supplies run dry, the frozen fish can be sold at sky-high prices. So they're freezing tuna in bulk because they anticipate they're going to run dry?

That's wild. They're stockpiling it like they do diamonds. That's wild. They're stockpiling it like they do diamonds. Clover's portrayal of the global fisheries problem falls down on two counts, oversimplification and polarization. Although current fisheries policy isn't adequate, much of it's based on science. Okay. Clover suggests, where have we heard that before. Clover suggests, for example, that the practice of discarding by which some 7 million tons of caught fish are thrown back into the sea each year has arisen because fishermen

simply do not want the species they have caught. But wasteful discarding is more often the consequence of the fisheries policy that is designed to prevent fishermen targeting juveniles and species outside of their allotted quota. Well, that makes sense because they kill fish and then they have to throw some of them back in the water because they killed fish that were too small. But that's because it's indiscriminate. They're still killing them if that's what they're saying. Clover's quick to point out the culprits of the fisheries crisis, slippery politicians,

greedy fishermen, and thoughtless consumers in big businesses while making activists and scientists the stars of the show. But in adopting a tone of advocacy with its inherent moralism, Clover isolates viewers and misses an opportunity to place this problem in context. Huh? It still seems like there's a problem. They're just kind of like making it look pretty. Overexploitation of fisheries is one part of the huge dilemma that humans face in an increasingly resource- resource limited world we can seek sustainability But we will not be able to diversify our consumption indefinitely and climate change will decrease marine resources further They always have to bring about the climate change if you don't people won't take you seriously

Those most affected will be the fisher folk of developing countries who fisher folk Fisher fall why do I hate that term who make up? geez who fisher folk fisher folk why do i hate that term who make up 98 of people who are directly dependent on fisheries for their livelihood because it's not fishermen yeah it's fisher folk bro some of our it's how many non-binary fishermen are there out there that's what i want to know that might be the lowest population of non-binary humans in in groups on earth fishermen no fisher folk fisher folk they don't want to fucking hear any of that fisher folk all those humans in groups on Earth. Fishermen. No, fisherfolk. Fisherfolk. They don't want to fucking hear any of that.

Fisherfolk. All those people that are risking their lives to get you crab. Doesn't even sound like a real word. Sounds like something out of a cartoon. Fisherfolk. It sounds like something they say on The Hobbit. Sure. Fisherfolk.

We're going to visit the fisherfolk. Oh, good. that's what it is those guys that fucking risked their lives to get you the crabs you ever watch that show oh the deadliest catch i mean the crabs are great but jesus christ boys that's a lot of work fucking scary job but it must be thrilling as fuck yeah i you know i'm not into getting grabbed by a wave and thrown over the side in Arctic waters. My friend Clay Guida did it for a little while. I think he did it for the adventure, too, but he's crazy.

He's a UFC fighter. He's out of his mind. But he's crazy. Yeah, he's a wild man. But, you know, that's the kind of guy who would, you know, take a ride on one of them boats and go get some crabs. They pay you a lot of money, though. And they probably should. I think they have to because people die. Because it's crazy. You fall in that water, you're fucksville. Yep. That's not crabs. Yeah. They pay you a lot of money, though. And they probably should. I think they have to because people die.

Because it's crazy. You fall in that water, you're fucksville. Yep. That's not good. Yep. And that thing's sloshing all over the place. I don't think I can handle that. You have to sleep in that fucking thing.

Nope. And they go out for a long time. It's above my pay grade. Yeah. I'm not doing it. Well, thank God you can fucking turn a wrench, sir. Yeah. Not doing it.

Well, thank God you can fucking turn a wrench, sir. So I was going to springboard off of Appalachian because that's from whence I came. You got to stay on track. I love it. So how I came to be here with you, backtracking to shop, backtracking from California, starting new york in our pre-mentioned appalachian um by the way appalachian weird stupid uh background appalachian and appalachian the only difference is the amount of p's in the name oh really yeah which one has more Ps? Appalachian. Hmm. Okay. Mine is A-P-A-L-A-C-H-I-N. That must be annoying that people confuse those two with you and you have to explain it every

goddamn time. I try to stay away from it. Yeah. Just say small town New York. Yeah. Right. It's easier. Right.

So I'm tinkering on cars in Appalachian. I'm spending most of my time on stage playing. Cars were my drop-dead hobby. Loved it. At night, backstage, I'd be reading my new issue of Hot Rod and my little glass of ice water. Couldn't wait for my new issue. And I'd go to as many car shows as I could go to during the summer. And the quick version is a real good friend of mine, Sean Davis from Canada, said, hey, we're going to go to this show up in Rhinebeck, New York, and there's going to be a guy there we're going to meet.

I met him at a big show in Indy, and he's going to make me a billet steering wheel to match my Boyd wheels. This is where all the car guys could pay attention. And so we went to the said show, met this guy, Jim, wound up going to dinner with him. And the guy's like, you know, I'm a machinist. I got a place in Riverside, California. I should be back there making parts.

I need somebody to like go around the country and sell this stuff. And Sean goes, slaps me on the back, goes, greatest salesman right here. And I'm like, what? And that turned into a conversation. And it turned into me like not letting go of it. Sold everything I had. Moved.

Got out here to Riverside. Got there. Guy had already been evicted out of his apartment. So I've got nowhere to live. I'm now living at one of his employees' houses. Oh, boy. And we're working along. Been there about a month or so.

And the federal marshals show up. They're not in a good mood at all. What are they looking for? I don't know, but I'm like, here's my driver's license. I just got here. What kind of questions are they asking they are not asking me shit they're walking around with clipboards and looking at what i thought because i stayed away from it i thought they were checking serial numbers on the cnc machines oh that's what i thought i have no proof okay i understand so they thought

maybe there was some stolen machinery something because federal marshals don't come out for a party. So anyway. How's that turn out? Well, I'm like, oh, God. No, I'm not going to have any job. I don't know anybody out here. And this is not a car shop. They're just machining billet street ride parts.

They do have one car there, a 40 Ford, which is owned by one of the guys that owned TCI, total cost involved street ride place and um the one of the workers for tci comes down once a week to check on the car because we're one off in parts for him right so i know that guy so we're getting our parts ready we're going to go into the la roadster show father's day show in pomona we're going to sell our stuff so i'm i'm setting setting up on Thursday and this guy, the only guy I know besides the two other machinists goes, Hey man, you're going to come to our, our annual open house tonight. And I'm like, well, I got no money. Um, I live way down

in Riverside or Oceanside actually. Um, but I'd love to go. I've read about it every year in street rider magazine. So I go to the party and I'm like, hey, man, you know anybody hiring? And he goes, hmm, kind of hard, man. You got to somebody's got to know you or have some background, some history, something, you know, like, well, just throwing it out there. So I drive all the way to Oceanside, get a couple hours sleep, drive all the way back to Pomona. And the next morning he goes, hey here you know what he was like 10 minutes after you left last night guy named Gary Daigle said he was looking for someone working his shop he's in Orange County and I go I actually know the name from our list he sells our stuff he goes well he's two aisles down take a right go up there

you'll see a sign Daigle's so I went and talked with Gary Daigle and he goes well well, he's two aisles down. Take a right, go up there. You'll see a sign, Daigle's. So I went and talked with Gary Daigle, and he goes, well, you're on Jim's dime right now. Lunchtime. Meet me outside, and we'll talk. So we talked, set up for a job, talked about having a job on Monday. So Sunday night, we're back at, show's over with. I'm putting parts back on the shelf, and I still remember, because the place had like half the lights working dimly lit I see Jim coming around the corner going uh you might uh start looking for some work so now I don't have to ask off for Monday went and had the meeting with Gary got hired and uh so I timed it I flew home got my 67 El Camino that I built in my dad's barn in my aunt's garage,

and timed it that I stopped at the Hot Rod Magazine Super Nationals in Ohio, and editor Jeff Smith and Rob Canaan approached me and said, we'd like to feature your car in Hot Rod Magazine. And I went, well, okay, but I got to go unload everything because every earthly possession I have is in it. So I drove it back to the hotel, unloaded everything, and brought it back. Do you have a picture of that car? Yeah. I actually gave him.

I came with a thumb drive of a whole bunch of stuff just in case we talked about it. Oh, you prepared. I did prepare something. Let me see the 67. It's the bright orange El Camino. So when I got here to California, then Custom Classic Truck and Custom Rider featured it also. There it is. There it is.

Yeah, New Street. That's pretty. Yeah, so I built that. So what year is this we're looking at? 1995. Wow, that's a beautiful car, man. Built it at home. And so-

And then you drove it across the country. Yeah, I drove it across the country. Wow. What was in that thing? Stroker 355. It was a Stroker small block, but it it'd get going just fine it's beautiful man thank you i usually don't like el caminos yeah i i i i like them weird yeah they're so weird it's like why is there like this open spot in the back that catches air those el caminos are station

wagons with the top pulled off the floor floor pan, in the bed, at the very front of the bed where it kisses the back of the cab, they have a bolt-in piece of metal. When you take that out, that's the floor pan for the rear seat in the station wagon. So it's a station wagon with the back taken off.

It's just like, who was like, I want a car, but I also want a pickup truck. That kind of stopped happening. They gave up on that. Yeah, they did. If they try to bring back the El Camino today, people are like, what the fuck are you doing? The GM still had one for a while down in Australia. They did?

Yeah, they had. Up until when? They call it a Ute. You base it off of the Mondero, which was like their GTO, the Chevelle. They had it for a while. Really? Yeah. They like different stuff down there, though.

They do. Australia has different tastes. They like a lot of utility. Yeah, there you go. Oh, God. That looks really recent. I love his reaction. Oh, God.

Well, a lot of those folks, they like to fucking crocodile dundee it up and go out in the backwoods. You know, they need something to throw a fucking tent. Those things are built, though. The motor and the drivetrain are basically Camaro. That's crazy. Actually, now I'm changing my mind. That might have made it in America. People would have bought that.

There's some knuckleheads that would have bought that. Some knuckleheads. That's nice. I'm being honest. You'd have to be a knucklehead to choose that. So I get out here. Not that that's a bad thing. Some of my favorite people are knuckleheads.

Yeah, but if you're like, if you have between that or a new Mustang, what the fuck are you doing? Well, you can throw stuff in the bag. So what? Get a U-Haul. Get the Mustang. Shut the fuck up. I don't know. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. We're bringing it back. There's no ifs,

ands, or buts. Mustang's one of the few cars that kept it together. Like, they lost it for a long time, but they've got it back, and now they're better it back. There's no ifs, ands, or buts. Mustang's one of the few cars that kept it together. Like, they lost it for a long time, but they got it back, and now they're better than ever. Like, these new Mustangs they're putting out today, they're fucking amazing. Oh, yeah. They're great cars. Brutal. The new one, the Dark Horse, that's a fucking great car.

Mm-hmm. Right from the factory, six-speed, 500 horsepower, reasonably priced. Yep. Looks fucking great. Yeah. They're making, like, real muscle cars, but, making like real muscle cars but like modern muscle cars yeah it's nice that that's still going on yes i agree i mean i i seem to be a proponent for that you know yeah it's just like people forgot the american muscle car is one of the most fun things to drive ever sure it might not handle the best it might not be the fastest. It might not this.

It might not that. But it's what it does to you, like how it makes you feel when you drive it. They're very visceral. Yes. It's very visceral. It's very exciting. It's like it stimulates you. It's warm.

Yeah. It's why I like driving in cross country. Yeah. It's fun. Window down, arm out. Yeah. They're alive. You're in a goddamn Matthew McConaughey movie.

Yeah. You're alive. So I get here and I wind up staying, working for Gary Daigle. And the car gets in a bunch of magazines. I wind up moving from the Orange County area up to Studio City, join a new band, start recording an album. And I sell my El Camino to a kid in Japan. And I'm like, I got to do a cool car.

So I went down. It's still there on the corner of Ventura Boulevard. Someone in Japan bought it? Yeah. That's awesome. So now it's over in Tokyo? Somewhere. Do you ever keep an eye on it?

No, I don't know where it went. That was a while ago. Maybe someone will reach out. Maybe. So on the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Boulevard down Studio City, right now it's still a FedEx office,

but it was a Kinko's. The Kinko's was where Pure Vision begat. I was there photocopying my magazine features and I had my friend Matt Willoughby in Ohio draw this idea of this 66 charger that was called Scully

because that's what the pros do. They add artwork first. Right. And I went to Hot Rod and said, hey, you guys thought I was cool before. I built a car that you featured, and I'm going to build this thing, and I'm going to show up on your power tour, right?

And I'm going to use these parts to all these people that sponsor your power tour. Is that you as a young man? Is that this voice? Yeah, who knows? Or an idiot, whatever I am. So I go over to all the potential sponsors.

All right, I'll sound more official. No, just be yourself. I go over all the sponsored potential guys and go, hey, I had to mail. There was no email. So I mailed these packets of color photocopies

of my El Camino that's been in the prior magazines, proving like, hey, I've done it once. And going, hey, my proposal is I'm going to build this car, and I'm going to take it on the power tour that you are sponsoring. So basically, they sponsored me with some parts, and they ran the artwork of my car. And I built it in my shared tandem parking garage, underground parking garage at my apartment on Whitsett Avenue, which is where Whitsett crashes into Ventura Boulevard. Built it there.

So you built it in a garage that you shared with other people? Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, I would go to the junkyard, get the parts, like the example. How big is it? This is a two-car garage? No, it's an underground parking garage. how many people are parked in that garage well it's tandem one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve and you have just one spot yeah and in that one spot

you're building a car right pretty much and so there's a car right next to you while you're building this car right so you're pulling fenders off and there's a car right there i'd a lot a lot of stuff was done in that garage yes i that's crazy i would never park next to you right well i am wonderfully respectful i'm sure but who the fuck is going to park next to the guy who's building a car they don't know it's covered all day i work at night so i'll give you an example of what i did went to the junkyard for the front end swap pieces to convert it to disc brakes right because i know the swaps and all that stuff. So I get all those parts and out the back of the apartment building, there's a concrete slab and that's it. There was like a really bad table and a chair. Nobody ever sits there.

So I found the one outside the building electric outlet, bought two extension cords to go because it's all the way on the other side of the building. Wrap it around the building and I got a drill and a wire wheel on it and a screwdriver and I scraped all the old muck and then wire wheeled them to bare metal, all the parts, and then I went to the... Did you have goggles

on back then? Yeah. So you're in the garage. I'm not in the garage. I'm out back of the building now, grinding everything clean and then wiped everything with acetone and then at night You're in the garage. I'm not in the garage. I'm out back of the building now, grinding everything clean. Right. And then wiped everything with acetone. And then at night, about two in the morning, I went to the Home Depot. And you know those pieces of plastic you can buy there for when you paint a room.

It's like 12 foot by 15 foot, whatever. Covered everybody's cars. Oh, Jesus Christ. And then I hung all the parts on the water pipes. Imagine coming out. Like you go to your friend's house at 3 in the morning. You go downstairs, your car's covered with plastic and this fucking lunatic. I covered all the cars so no one would get any paint on it and epoxy painted all the suspension parts.

I hung them from the water pipes. Oh, my God. And then I'd assemble the car. And so when did you get done? When did you stop at like 6.30 in the morning? Yeah, whenever. Yeah. Did anybody ever come out and see their car covered in plastic?

No, I always removed all the evidence. No one ever knew nothing. How many nights a week did you have people's cars covered in plastic? All the time. That is so wild. All the time. That's so wild. And so I had another friend that I did exchange work.

He painted it for me and let me use his place for reassembly. And I rebuilt the suspension and the engine in his 67 pickup truck for an exchange. Right? Yeah. So I get the car ready, take it to the kickoff party for the power tour. We're going to drive from California to Michigan. And I haven't even changed the cam brake in oil yet. This car is fresh.

Fresh and I'm going to drive it to which I did by the way. So kickoff party. What begat from that is Hot Rod Magazine featured it. Mopar Muscle featured it. Put it on the cover. Daytona Magazine in Japan featured it. There it is. And at the end of the year.

Yeah there's Skelly. That's beautiful. It's a kind of an odd black and white, but it's a Jaguar color called Topaz. Yeah, it's like a blue, right? No, no, it's a light silvery gold. It's on that thumb drive I gave you. Oh, there it is right there. Yeah, there it is. Why do you think Topaz?

Oh, I'm thinking of it. So that's the car I built in the underground parking garage. God, that's beautiful, man. Yeah, it came out nice. Oh, my God, that's gorgeous. At the end of the year, it also got top 10 car of the year. And you built it in a fucking garage with a bunch of cars covered in plastic. You know what?

Dude, that's beautiful. It's when you want to bad enough. Yeah. You know what I mean? Look how beautiful that car is. Yep, pretty car. God, that's so nice. And so that started the ball.

Well, the El Camino technically did. What a beautiful car that is, man. You got other pictures of that? Yeah, there's some other stuff up over there. Click on that link that says Pure Vision Scully right under the big picture. Oh, that's the graphic I designed. Now, that stupid skull right there has a story. So I designed this pinstripe.

I wanted bone, red bone. And then at the very front, obviously the bone turns into the skull with wraparound glasses. With a cigarette in his mouth. Every one of those dang stitches are hand-drawn. I did, in fact, that side's me. You did that?

I did the driver's side. No, my friend Matt Willoughby, here's the backstone. So I told him, I go, here's the idea. I gave this really horrible sketch of the skull with his wraparound sunglasses, and he did this piece of artwork for me with the car and the skull and when he sent the artwork I'm like that's that's not the skull. Well, he

faxed it to me the idea Like his version of what I was telling him. Okay, and the fax was like that was oh, it's that Stretched and cool as shit right? So anyway, so the fax fucked it up better the fax pulled it That's amazing. So when he flew out to put it on I showed him the fax and he went oh My god, the fax must have dragged Because it looks almost like a wolf. Yeah, kinda it was a mistake Like if that was a dude, I'd be terrified of him right it was it was a mistake. And I said, well, that's what we're using.

And he's like, oh, hell yeah, we are. Hell yeah. That's awesome. So we did that graphic. Can you show me a photograph of what that looks like in perspective with the rest of the car? Well, if you- Click on that link where you're at? Yeah, just the front three quarter.

Not that one. Just the one right next to it. Nope. Other. To the right. To the right. To the right. Yeah, that. You'll see it.

It's up at the very front of the front fender. It's right in the front corner. It's right there. Oh, right there. Show me the close-up on it, Jamie, because there's a close-up in one of those other photos. That right there. Oh, that's so sick. So all the way down the car, it's just a bone-red-bone pinstripe with all those hand stitches.

So that's Matt's stitches. We only had so long we were doing that the graphic overnight at a borrowed paint booth that car is so rock and roll so yeah just carbureted 360 out of a cordoba that is with a warmed up cam and stuff it's straightforward that car is like a 1974 acdc song you know i'm saying like look at that thing damn, that's pretty. Look how pretty that is. And the interior is four bucket seats and a console that goes all the way from the rear to the end. Go back to the rear end view of it. Look at that. Yeah, cool car. They only made them two years,

66 and 67. God, it's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, it's neat. It's gorgeous. I don't think I've seen one. I've definitely not seen one done like this. Very few and far between. That's why I did it. It's a perfect car to do it with because it's so pretty, man. Yeah. The back end of that is just fucking heavenly.

Yeah, it's cool. Look at it. I enjoy them. And so that was a lot of fun. And then on that power tour, I met a kid named Martin Weinreb who had a black Challenger. And I go, I got an idea for your car. And then we built the car in his driveway and it was called challenger x and that was that big i was the first guys doing any pro touring mopars

and this challenger x was the first car to have that i knew of street driven carbon fiber drive shaft it was like the second set of big 18 inch torque thrusts um we worked with a guy named craig rails back at bds for the eight stack efi injection on a small block chrysler and that'll be on that on that thumb drive i gave you it's called challenger x right there black challenger yeah so that that car we we took that on a power tour from here to florida and back and And there it is. Yeah, pretty car. That's another car, the Challenger. Yep, that came out nice. That's a 70, right? 72.

72, really? I did the whole interior in a tan, and we built that in Martin's driveway. So 72 Challengers are still dope. Yeah, they're the same as 70. It's just a different bumper. But 72 Barracudas got goofy. Mm-hmm.

You know, they started looking goofy. But the 72 Challenger still looks sick. Yeah, I did all the gauges and tan and did this whole thing in here. So anyway, this car, we drive it, and it gets features, and it gets top 10 car of the year. So I've got two top 10 cars of the year and like nine or 10 features, and I don't even have a shop yet. I've been building out of a barn, out of a tandem parking garage in somebody's driveway. So my batting average is doing pretty good.

So you get a place. Yeah, I finally get a place and build a couple other stuff and I started on a duster, which we call Dustia. I kept the duster lettering but made it Dustia. Put that on the power tour and that car exploded.

Let me see that because we're talking about it earlier i like a duster yeah this this is a really nice underappreciated car yep and there was this duster uh that was a 72 yeah okay so that's those are the years they were underappreciated and um we built that and i i drove that again from california to michigan is that in your photo yeah no it's in it's on the thumb drive it's a bright old score there's the duster yeah underappreciated car so that thing had a lot of pictures a lot of trick stuff that nobody had ever done yet um on mopar suspensions um and so what did you do to it well there's that's a really lightweight car, right? Yep. What does that weigh? Oh, probably 36 or 34. Wow.

So it's small. Yep. Smaller than like a 65 Mustang? Like is it in the same? No, not smaller than a Mustang. Nope, but light. There's not a lot to them. So that car, like, again, I'm so fortunate. Hot Rod, Mopar Muscle, all these books, it's cover.

It's centerfold pull-out poster. It's a screensaver because that just started. It's a die-cast car. It's top ten car of the year, so now I got three. It's been amazing and, again, so unbelievably fortunate that— You're talented, man. You keep saying fortunate but you know what i mean it is i'm surrounded but it's also hard work it is hard work so at that point

i was living in the shop uh i didn't have money for an apartment so my bed was next to my lift and i had a piece of plastic that i threw over the bed so that so the rust and oil and everything else wouldn't get on my bed. And then I joined a 24-hour fitness, so I had somewhere to shower. Wow. How many people have done that? A lot. Well, I don't know if they're as stupid as me, but I did it.

A lot of people do that when they're living out of their cars. A lot of comedians did that. Got a membership at 24-hour fitness, slept in their car. Yeah. I was sleeping in the shop. Yeah. So that car really launched stuff and i got a phone call um that car by the way uh reggie jackson still owns

it he bought it off the guy who built it for me still owns reggie jackson might be like the biggest hot rod collector he's good yeah he lost a lot in a fire about 20 years ago. Oh, no. Lost buildings worth. Oh, no. Yeah. So anyway, the guy that I built that car for, Romeo Furio, that's his real name, he wanted to do another car. And I just came back from showering with 30 strangers at 24 Hour Fitness, and I'm having my bowl of Cheerios. My phone rings and it's this gentleman named David Hakeem and a couple of other big wig

gentlemen from Mopar Performance from Chrysler. And they're like, we've been watching what you've been doing. We want to be synonymous with Pure Vision. Here's the catalog. Next time you build something, whatever you want, let us know. That's awesome. And we built a car, or I built a car. vision here's the catalog next time you build something whatever you want let us know that's awesome and we built a car or i built a car i was still basically alone uh called gtxr i had great fantastic painter named russ stevenson that put up with me at that time now i have mick jenkins

who is just beyond incredible um we'll get to that in a second, but on GTXR, I wanted to use the big body satellite that nobody ever uses and nobody likes. Can I see what that looks like? They're very swoopy like Ferraris. They go like they're Coke bottled, but the way they sat stock is they look like an elephant on stilts. There you go. Oh, that's a cool car.

So this was my first time ever at SEMA. Is that an AMG? Is that what that is? No, it's a cool car. So this was my first time ever at SEMA. Is that an AMG? Is that what that is? No, it's a Plymouth satellite. That's a Plymouth. Yeah. So I- God, that's a wild looking car.

Yeah, right? You don't see very many of those either. No, because no one cared and these things were so curvy. I got a great story about- But it's so cool looking. I shot the Mopar, the one with the blue sky behind it. With the blue sky, Jamie. Right in the middle, almost.

The photo with the blue sky? No, right there. Yeah, that one. So I'm getting ready. I'm thrashing to get the thing done to go to SEMA. I've never been to SEMA before, and I'm unveiling the car in Chrysler's booth on a turntable. Right? How pretty that is. First time there.

So this is like just cracking six in the morning. We had already driven from, in the truck and trailer, driven from- What year is this? When did I do that? Hold on. That's why I have my notes. Just take a guess. Oh, God.

Why? I like how you went with the fat tires in the rear. 2003. I get really sad when I see a muscle car with skinny rear tires oh no always big old tire yeah so um this is when you're coming down the grade into vegas and before there was nothing over to the right now it's all houses and everything all the way to henderson right before there was nothing there this is when the roads were paved and there wasn't one building put up. And the photographer is in a ditch that is like five feet deep for what will be the plumbing and all that stuff.

And he's sitting there. His name was Randy Bulligan. I remember him because, again, no digital cameras. It was, right? Hey, like how he did that? So it almost sounded like it. No, it was horrible? Okay.

Anyway, I hear him go, cover. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So that car was the world's first paddle shifted muscle car. I created the paddle shifts in it. Oh, wow. At that time. Let me see the interior. The only, there's one shot that I put on the thumb drive.

Again, I don't know if you have that in, but there's an interior shot of the steering wheel. So what kind of transmission? At the time, there was the brand new truck 518 four-speed overdrive that was in the brand new pickup trucks for 2002, 2003. Overdrive was becoming a new thing. So there you go. So I made, I had a really amazing billet guy he did the intakes on that we'll look at the motor in a second and those paddles i made everything out of wood first and those work micro switches in the inside the column the factory column and underneath see how

there's three horn buttons the little pads underneath the right one up at 3 o'clock, there's a micro switch under that now. And so I used a company called Deedon Bear that made pneumatic shifters for drag racing. Okay? Okay. It goes, it immediately shifts it. It's hooked up to a computer. So all I did, and it's air. You know, like the CO2 guns, the air cartridge?

Yeah. and it's air. You know, like the CO2 guns, the air cartridge? Yeah. One of those are in the trunk and it runs this solenoid that is attached to a B&M ratchet shifter. So you can never skip a gear, right?

Bam, bam, bam. And they are hooked up. So shift up, pulls back. I called Dean Bear and I said, can you make me one that pushes and pulls? They're like, sure. So upshift, downshift. Wow.

And then this button under the horn, I use the horn circuit. That turns the overdrive on and off. So up highway, second, third, overdrive. Or second, they're in the canyon. So where's the horn now? There's no horn. Fuck the horn. You gave up the horn?

Yeah, nobody cared. But, so I had like every executive, cause the shifter moves while you're hitting the paddles, cause the, cause the ratchets, cause the CO2 is working it. Right. I, oh my, it's the end of the first day, we had to go refill the bottle, which was like at that point 75 cents. It's good for about 200 shifts, but it was fully functioning and working and worked fantastic. And it was actually foolproof because even if you ran out of CO2, you just grab a shifter, put it in drive and drive it around.

Right. So it only applied to when you wanted to. Yeah, when you wanted to. Yeah. But it worked really good. The problem was nobody had a shift kit. So the transmission couldn't shift as fast as because I turned the wick up, turn the pressure up, and it would go bam, bam. I mean, it'd shift right frickin' now.

And then the transmission would be like, brr. It just died? Well, no, it'd catch up eventually, but then places like Fairbanks and other companies started making shift kits. Yeah, you don't make normal cars. You really overcomplicate your life. Yeah.

By doing things like that. You think? Yeah. So you move forward from that car, and then I built a car called Hammer. And that was a Roadrunner. That was the first one I saw. Yeah. And Hammer was in my, actually it was in the same, it was a season later on rides.

They followed me building my car like they followed Sickfish. Because you were first season i think so i think it was the first episode of the first season i don't know because you're fancy no i don't think i was on the first season i thought you were i don't know i think there was other one i think i don't know if i was in i definitely don't think i was the first episode so built hammer and that was you know i had an interior guy who didn't show up the night before SEMA and a whole bunch of disaster and showed up to see my day late. And which was also fantastic because everybody, the rumor was around that this car being filmed was late and it may or may not

show up. And, and we, we got there. And, um, uh, so that was my first rides episode.

And then about a, there she is. There she is. there she is so that thing still holds up that is owned by the gentleman who owns Traxxas the radio controlled empire when I went to your shop that was there the first time I went to your shop it's a lovely car it still looks good of course it looks good how could it not look good

I don't know it still looks like that yes it does it does look like that that thing spawned a million copies god it's so pretty How could it not look good? I don't know. I'm just saying. It still looks like that. Yes, it does. It does look like that. That thing's amazing. That thing spawned a million copies. God, it's so pretty. Yeah. So- That's even better.

So- That's even better than the other one. The shape? No, I like- Yeah. Oh, the Roadrunner. Yeah. That's actually a sport satellite with borrowed trim pieces from GTX and Roadrunner.

Yeah, like cherry picking. Like the trim around the... So what's a sport satellite? Sport satellite... Can you click on that link so we can see more pictures of that? That thing's fucking pretty, man. Oh, look at that.

Artwork and... Click on the interior? Yeah. I handmade the dash out of metal on that car. Wow. And Shannon Hudson at Redline Gauge Works did,

I did a drop recess like a BMW and the red lights just washed down. Thank God you made that a manual. Oh, yes. And I copied across the back

on those cars, they have the individual letters, Plymouth, P-L-Y-M. Yeah. So I copied the font and had letters made that spelled hammer. Hmm. And then made a new set on the dash.

No, I saw that. Click on that, Jamie, so you can see how it looks. It looks amazing in the back. Oh, the tail panel? Oh, that's when we were... There's Vin. Did Vin Diesel drive it? Well, he was in it.

The stuntmen did the burnouts. And they were in the movie. That's the end of Tokyo. Well, that's where I was going. I got a phone call from do you know dennis mccarthy no i don't okay he's the guy that handles all the cars for all the fast furious movies let me see some more pictures so he um and so they want to put it in fast well i got a phone call from him he got my number from one of the one of the editors at hot rod and he goes goes, hey, my name's Dennis McCarthy and I'm doing Fast and Furious stuff and we need a car for Vin Diesel.

We're going to bring his character back in this movie. And I hear you have the most badass Mopar in Southern California. Is that true? And I go, fuck yeah. Yeah, it is. We have a bad son of a bitch. So they rented it. Wow. But it's the

car in the stunt scenes. It's the car doing the burnouts. Wow. Who owns it now? The guy that owns Traxxas, the radio control car company. Oh. He bought it off of Eric. God, I hope he drives it. I hope so too. The thing is wonderful. So it, hope he drives it. I hope so too. The thing, the thing is wonderful.

So it, we actually unveiled it twice at SEMA. We brought it back a couple of years later with the new all aluminum, uh, Hemi. The color of it with the wheels, with the black wheels, the silver outline. God,

it's perfect. Kinesis wheels, K-19s, and the color is BMW Sterling grays. Look at that fucking thing. Again, all that's- BMW Sterling Gray, that's the color. Sterling Gray, factory color.

Fucking gorgeous color. Yes, it is. And that photography is from the man himself, Randy Lorenz, another fantastic photographer. Let me see some pictures in higher light, Jamie. Is there any pictures? There's all I have on the website. Yeah, but just let me see. Yeah, go to that one that's outside with the red on the bottom of it, right above your cursor.

Oh, yeah, at the red carpet. Look at that. Yep. Sharp car. God, it's gorgeous. So that obviously did wonders. And that was like 2005, 2006. Had a bunch of other really cool stuff.

And then we built the Anvil Mustang. Had a bunch of other really cool stuff. And then we built the Anvil Mustang. We helped develop all the carbon fiber pieces for a company called Anvil. And we unveiled the car at SEMA in 2010. And I knew we had a really good car. It's all cantilever, push-ride, inboard suspension like an F1 car. And we wide-bodied it, except you can't tell unless it's sitting next to a stock one.

We actually bowed the quarter panels. So at the door and at the taillights, it's stock. Pull that up, Jim. It actually curves up. There it is. There it is. Another thing. So lots of work done to that thing. The whole nose is all carbon fiber, and it's widened and changed.

Tail panel's changed. You can see the pushrod cantilever inboard suspension there. The coilover's laid down. I must handle like a motherfucker, huh? Yeah, yeah. It's a lovely car, and that's the rear seat area. That's the inboard. That's a Meyers rear, and everything's on quick pins,

so you can literally snap, take out the coilovers, put in a different set of shocks. Do not stick your fingers in there, kids. No, the coilovers put in a different do not stick your fingers in there kids no bad while the car is driving do not stick your it is fantastic to watch in the rear view mirror oh my god it must be amazing you're sitting there watching the stuff work and you're like oh i gotta be driving sorry yeah just don't have a gym bag back there yeah bad oh my god look at that interior so god that's gorgeous we that's a perfect interior for that car and we a lot of times spent see that down bar going down through the roll bar yes that does not touch you when you're in the passenger seat really touches nobody so it's what if you're a big guy there's a lot of room but that comes out to that bolts and unbolts so um yeah a little switches and handles and whatnot.

Fuck, yeah. Does the guy who has this drive it? Yeah, as far as I know. He's got to drive this. Please, sir. So it won. Woo, look at that. That is so gorgeous, man.

It won the Ford Design Award, Car of the Show at SEMA, which was a- That's a 69, right? Yes, you're correct, sir. It might be the most gorgeous 69 I've ever seen. Yeah, lots done. Again, nothing stocked. Nothing stocked. Everything's-

That fucking suspension set up in the back seat. Yeah, that was cool. Gives me a childhood boner. Okay, good. So that- All this stuff comes back to when you're kids, right? Heck yeah. All this stuff comes back to-

Hot wheels. Yeah, hot wheels and what the cool cars were in your neighborhood. Which that, there's a miracle for me. In 2005 or so, I'm in an airport. And before, when I was building Scully, the silver car, 97-ish. Yeah. I left the job I was working and went working for a gentleman named Bruce Schultz. And he did sublet work for Mattel and Action diecast and we did prototypes it was before there was rapid prototype anything

So you get a drawing from the Mattel crazy hot wheels designer. It's like make this Or we'd get some and go here We need these 25 stripped and painted a different color and different graphics for Toy Fair. So when I worked for Bruce, I met a guy named Kelly Cox. Mr. Kelly Cox, who as of right now is going on his 18th or 19th year as an employee for me. We became really good friends working together. We found out we love the same music. We have the same sense of humor.

working together we found out we love the same music we have the same sense of humor and uh so i met kelly working for bruce and i was building that when i built that charger i drove it over to bruce's house because i'd met him like a year before and i said hey look what i did because he saw the car i started with and he goes you did that and i'm like yeah he goes can you build model cars i'm like yeah he's like i want to work here i'm like where he goes here in my garage this is what we do blah blah blah and he goes how much do you make working for chrysler i go x he goes i'll promise you x and you can make y i'm like i'm quitting tomorrow so i'm just in this guy's garage building model basically i'm oversimplifying but building super cool one-off model stuff for mattel and hot wheels that's 97 right 90 and 98 going into 99 fast forward 2005 my shop is now up

and running i've had a bunch of magazine features i'm at an airport and one of the guys i wrote that worked at mattel was in the airport too i recognize him because I used to be down there all the time bringing in prototypes. And I'm joking with him and I'm like, hey man, how many super cool features do I got to have before I can get a Hot Wheels made of one of my cars? And he goes, you know what, that's a good idea. I'm like, yeah, that's a good idea. You know, I was joking with him.

So they had a new line of, your normal Hot Wheels are 1 64th scale. They were going to try this new thing with like one 50th scale and they're going to call them G machines. And they're like, we'll do a 12 car line with you. You, you create the paint scheme and then this and then that.

But we have X amount of little wheels you can use and X amount of this and that. Well, that worked for both of us because I know working with them, I understand the cost of extra stripes never cost money. So I know how to make a car simple and that one a little more elaborate and then the budget balances out. I understood all that already. So I went down, had a designer group meeting and I got a 12 car line that in the back window of every car, it's got my Pure Vision logo.

Now in the back of the box, it says Pure my pure vision logo now in the back of the box it says pure vision the premier hot rod shop in southern california these went global and i mean it's the hugest honor it's an unbelievable opportunity that i still am like you know pinching myself that that even happened and um so uh that was an amazing opportunity working at Bruce's. It begat me having a toy line later and having, you know, my guy that's been with me forever, Kelly, working for me. So I was very fortunate, again, that the stars lined up that way. That's great, man. It's not fortune, though.

It's talent. Well, it's— You have an eye for cars. That's true, but— It's an art form, you know, talent. Well, it's— You have an eye for cars. Well, it's true, but— It's an art form, you know, and you're an artist in other ways. You know, you play music. Your guy creates things. That's what I think is so interesting about your cars is that you don't just, like, make a cool car.

You make a cool car with all these little Easter eggs in it. There's all these little things in it that you have to kind of understand. That's really cool that you say that because we've joked about it at car shows. Our car is the Easter egg hut. You keep coming back and finding, I didn't even see that. Well, if you go to the video you did, oh my God, the one on YouTube. Well, that narrows it down. The one about my car.

Oh, your car. Yeah. Why am I fucking blanking on it? Autotopia? Autotopia. Thank you. Sean at Autot Autotopia? Autotopia. Thank you. Sean at Autotopia. Sean at Autotopia.

That, which is an amazing video where you go over in detail all the different weird things that you did. Little things we changed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sean's fun. Oh, God.

Sean's awesome. Yeah. Really fun. He's a good guy. He seems like a really good guy. And these videos are awesome. His videos are all awesome, but this one was particularly cool. Yeah, and he loved being in the car.

And the thing is, is I'm friends with him, too, so off camera, you know, he'll tell me good, bad, ugly. You know, and he just loved being in the car. Really appreciated all the work. Actually, we're going to— What are you doing now? What are you working on now? Oh, my gosh. I got, well, just finished up a really amazing Chevelle for a guy named Habib that, again, thankful, cover of Hemmings, and it's about to come out in Chevy Hub.

Is that a 67? Yeah, the turquoise aqua one. Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. That's very pretty. A lot of, like, three magazines featuring that and a bunch of crap. You and I had talked about doing an older Chevelle. Yeah.

Well, you were, you, I've still got all the notes. Yeah. Because i went hog wild i'm a 68 you were you were your thing you handed me was a 68 is that what it was in that list yeah i like i like these seven cars which one do i do but i'm glad we went with the nova yeah well i took you to gary to z and it's and it's on the thumb drive the z28 nova yeah yeah something about that i had this like light bulb and that gnarly. That thing always sounds gnarly too. It was really cool. It was just, you know, you did a Z28 version of a 1969.

Yeah. If you could have ordered a 69 Nova. Yep. Yep. There it is. Right there. And it was, and I saw that and like a light bulb went off in my head. I was like, that's the car.

Yeah. That's the car. Yep. Yours and his are very, very, very, very, very, very different. But. Yeah. Very different, but still fucking super cool. Like that one, I remember thinking, wow, you don't see enough of these.

No, no, no. That guy in Australia made a cool one. Cam? You know that one guy in Australia? I think I know the car you're talking about. Something by Cam. I'm not super familiar, but I think I know what you're talking about. He made this really

wild black 68 or 69 Nova and did some really cool stuff to it it was a few years back Hot Rods by Cam yeah yeah see if you can find his Nova no there's there's a black one. He made a black one. That's a Nova also. Yeah. See if you can see his black Nova cam, black Nova. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Look at this fucking thing. This thing's sick. Give me some volume. Yeah. Rock and roll. Oh, dear God. Look at that thing. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, Steve Stroop. I can hear the turbos.

That's what I'm talking about. Hear the wastegates. What does that girl have to do with this? What is going on here? She's in her underwear. What's happening here? Photoshoot, probably. Yeah.

Why are they showing me that? Show me that goddamn car. Stop trying to distract me. They just want to keep you looking, you know? They figure you're only going to look at that car for about 45 seconds. That's my thing. Throw in a hot lady in a bikini, and now we got you. Sorry, she's still on.

She's still on the screen? Oh, yeah. Where's the fucking car? Where's the fucking car? That left her. There she is again. That's it. She's a wild one, too. Tattooed up. Oh, great. That's what you want. If you want a car like that, you want a lady like that. Fair enough. That's the dream. Cam's selling the dream. Oh, is that what he's

doing? He's selling the dream. Okay, the dream. Don't you see? Yeah, I saw it. That car's wild, though, huh? Sounds healthy don't you see yeah i saw that car's wild though sounds healthy show me some extra images of that car it's uh yeah so that car too influenced my decision no so i don't know if that car was like during the time we had already decided on a nova though because this guy built that a few years back yeah i'm unfamiliar with it man that's good pretty look at that it's a little taller rear tire, but that's me. Oh, yeah.

That's an older school way of- A little rubber band. I want to say older school- Hey, man, everyone does their own thing. But early 2000s, they were doing a lot of that. Right. Look at that thing, though. Whoa.

Good Lord. That's beautiful. Big old hood. Yeah, beautiful car. I think it's a twin turbo, if I remember correctly. Yeah, it sounded like I was hearing the wastegates pop when he was doing acceleration. Yeah, click on that image right there where your cursor is. Right there.

Yeah, look at that fucking thing. Woo! God, that's gorgeous. But it drives me nuts when people don't put side view mirrors. Like, it doesn't make the car look bad, but you should see where the fuck you're going. Or where you were. Yeah, or what's coming up if you change lanes. Where the officers are?

Yeah, put a fucking side view mirror on, kids. It does not make the car look ugly. That became a trend for a while, where people would have completely shaved mirrors. Yeah. You know? You had asked me what's new, and you know what? I didn't.

I'll have to give you, because I have nothing't. I'll have to give you because I have nothing up. I'll give you so you guys can get it in post. No, I've got three cars that are humdingers. I got a roadrunner coming out called Haraka, which is African for speed. And it's quite the piece. Is that done? No, we're going to unveil it next year at SEMA. Oh, what stage is it in now?

Bare metal and heavy fab. You got any images? I will supply you images. Is that it right there? That is like a cell phone from the 60s. What the hell is that? That's a time machine cell phone. How'd you even get that? What is that?

Oh, I know what it is. It might have been like an Instagram. It's a TikTok video. Yeah, or something. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, it's way beyond that stage. And it's- Roadrunner's another car that's very cool.

Yes. This one is going to be something. I promise you. Someone should redo Blade's 69 Charger from the movie Blade. Do you remember that? I think it was a 69. It's definitely a late 60s Charger. Blade, you know, the vampire hunter?

Yeah. He drove around in a Charger when he was killing people. It's a 68. 68. Yeah, similar buy style. There it is right there. Look at that car right there. Somebody needs to redo people. That's a 68. 68. Yeah, similar buy style. There it is right there. Look at that car right there. Somebody needs to redo that.

Well, that's not hard. Blade had a souped, but I mean a really good one, like a really well done one. Easy. Blade had a souped up charger. Look at it. That's what he drove around in. Someone should make like a Blade themed 68 charger.

Again, that's just a charger with auto-drags on it or center lines. Yeah, but it doesn't have to look exactly like that, but a Blade-themed 69 charger. Like if he had one that went through your shop. Like if Blade came to your shop and said, I want to kill vampires. Oh, good. You know what I'm saying? What would you build him? I'll send you guys the artwork, but that's the Roadrunner right now.

Why are you trying to change the subject? Because. We're talking about Blade. If Blade came to you right now and wanted to make a 68 Charger. Fine, I'll do him a Charger. If he's trying to run from vampires. How well could you get a 68, 69 Charger to handle? There's a lot of front-end sheet metal.

There's stuff available now that- Yeah? Yeah, there's plenty of stuff. What could you do to balance it out? In fact, on this Roadrunner, I have a brand new suspension from Heights that's an IFS and IRS from, well, I just said from Heights.

Let's explain to people. I don't know what the fuck we're talking about. Independent rear suspension and independent rear suspension. Yeah. So it's really trick stuff, and it's brand new for them. What about like a rear transaxle to balance out the weight? You could, even though the Roadrunners weren't super heavy. They were about 3,600 pounds.

Right, but the Charger. Oh, the Charger, same thing. It's a B-body. Basically the same body. They were about 3,600 pounds. Right, but the Charger. Oh, the Charger. Same thing. It's a B-body. Basically the same body. Yeah, it's the same thing. So they weren't that heavy. They were how heavy?

About 3,800. 3,800? That's pretty heavy. Or so. Yeah. What did you think of that one that someone built that they made all carbon? Did you ever see that? Yes, I'm familiar.

They've done quite a few of them. Yeah. Was it Speedcore? Is that what Speedcore? Yeah. See if you can find that Speedcore carbon charger. Cool piece for sure. That probably drives great because of the lightweight.

Oh, and it's on a brand new modern chassis. Ooh, look at that thing. Yeah. Billet, probably the grill's billet or seeing or- Ooh. So- An all carbon fiber exterior. Yeah.

So the body sits down over the chassis and that's how it sits that low. What do you think that thing weighs? A lot less. But probably not a lot less than you think, because parts still weigh. Right, of course. So just removing the steel and replacing it with carbon, you think it'd save 500 pounds? Yeah, it might be low 3,000 thousands, like 31, 32, which is... That's probably amazing then.

Yeah. Sure. Look at that thing. Where are you going to park that? Somewhere. Somewhere safe. You'd be terrified of someone dinging your doors. Yeah. You got a goddamn carbon fiber car. Look at that thing. Yeah, you're not pounding the dents out.

Yeah. What do you do if you get in an accident in a carbon fiber car? Do they have to refab completely new panels for you? You either put a new one on or probably. Well, it depends. If it's the quarter panel, that might be a problem. Like if you get hit in the rear. If you get hit in the fender, you replace the fender. If you get hit in the rear, they probably have to redo your whole car.

Yeah. Well, it's kind of like expensive fiberglass surgery. You can buy rear bumpers, at least. So you can buy a carbon fiber charger bumper. Yeah, but the bumper's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about the quarter panels, the roof. Because if somebody rear-ends you or hits you from the side, it's going to fuck up all that stuff.

Right. I guess you can't think about that. No. You just have to be cool. Yep. Driving around. Yep. They're doing that with quite a few hot rods now, right? Like, I know there's a company that makes classic recreations.

There's doing a Camaro. They do a complete carbon fiber GT500. You've seen that, right? Oh, someone doing the GT? Yeah. The older one? Yeah. 67 GT500.

Carbon? Classic recreations is doing it. Ah, cool. I know. See if you can find that. I know there's a guy that's doing the, they do500. Carbon. Classic Recreations is doing it. Ah, cool. See if you can find that. I know there's a guy that's doing the, they do the Charger. That one. And there's a 69 Camaro that's all carbon. So, see what it looks like.

Yeah, look at that. That's insane. Yeah. That's probably. Yeah. That's probably very light, right? Well, it's, again. Because that's an even smaller car, right? It's going to be lighter. Yes.

Yeah, the Mustang is lighter and smaller. That is correct. 67, right? If you had to guess, what do you think that thing weighs? I bet you it's still around 3,000 or so. Again, I'm. Right, but 3,000 pounds. It depends what engine.

It depends what suspension. It depends everything. It says depends what suspension, it depends everything. It says, scroll up a little bit. It's interesting that all the carbon companies that are doing this don't talk about a wing. Keep going, Jamie, to the top of the page so I can see what it said. It was saying something about the horsepower. Oh, do they do a turnkey car? I mean, you might have been hovering over the engine part of it.

Is that what it is? Oh, 545 horsepower. So it's a 427 crate engine. Mm-hmm. Mm. Which is probably all you need if it's that light. Oh, it's more than fine for driving around the street. That's got to be amazing.

Mm-hmm. Oh, you could do a Coyote Gen 3 with a supercharger that's 770 horsepower. If you're a fucking psycho. Right? If you're a fucking psycho, right? If you're a fucking psycho, unquote. If you're a fucking psycho and you want a carbon fiber car that weighs nothing. If you're just greedy. With 770 horsepower. That'll probably get you to the store on time without much difficulty.

You ain't going to the store on that. Oh, why not? Putting groceries in the back seat of that thing. Live dangerously. Go to Ralph's. Yeah. I bet some people do with it. Yeah.

You know, I'm sure there's people that take their hot rods around as daily drivers. Oh, yeah. I met a guy once in- I drive mine. Do you? Every day? Not every day. I have to use my truck, too.

What are you driving? Well, normally, I use my work truck. Yeah, but when you're not driving to work, do you like to go to the hot rod? Oh, I've got a really fun little, which again, I, oh, did I put on the thumb drive? I have a 64 Olds, little Cutlass that I built for cross country driving. So it's got modern air conditioning, like vintage air and dynamat sound deadening. And I have these really wonderful seats from a Porsche Panamera. Cut seven inches off of it. Oh, wow.

They're like 18-way powered. Show me pictures. Heated and cooled. Do I have anything? I'm there. I have a 64 Fury. Nope. That's a brand new Fury.

We just finished that. Do you have it on your website? Nope. That's not up yet either. You don't have your own car on your website? It was on my TV show. Oh, okay. How could we see that then?

I don't know. Was it rides? Was it an episode of rides? No, no. Your TV show. Oh, that TV show, yeah. The Hand Belt Hot Rods. That's right.

That was on one of them episodes. Oh, there it is. That's right. Your car. Yeah, there it is. So Mercedes Quartz Blue with basically a Ferrari saddle tan. there it is. So, um, Mercedes, Mercedes quartz blue with, uh, uh,

basically a Ferrari saddle tan. Pretty much a daily driver. Yeah. That's the thing I put around in. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice car.

It's made to be comfy, uh, driving, you know, anywhere. It's beautiful. So, and like,

you know, all the other stuff probably for the last 15 years or no, let me see, 10, yeah, 13 years, same great cast of characters. I definitely want to shout out because I am, as I've said before in other interviews and other things, no man is an island. I am surrounded by talent. Jamie's an island. Okay. Jamie's an island. All right.

He says it all the time. Hi there, island Jamie. I go, what are you doing, Jamie? He goes, I'm an island. He just walks away. Are you a rock? I's an island all right uh hi there all the time hi there island jamie what are you doing jamie is i'm an island oh he just walks away and everybody just are you a rock island boy are you a rock do you know your old songs he's not an island rock you're an island as paul simon would say oh yeah that's right uh painter master uh mick jenkins at mix paint um my interior guy is gabe's these are all the same people on Uranova. Unbelievably wonderful family. It's dad and the sons working.

So it's such a cool deal, the interior guys. And then my guys, as I've already babbled, Kelly, and then there's Troy Bray, who's just a fantastic all around everything.

He can just do whatever I ask him. And then a new kid named Tommy. I do got to throw out all those big deal cars. There was the Anvil that you looked at. And then we took a, we didn't have a year off. We had a couple of others we finished. And then we did a car called the Martini Mustang that we went to SEMA and that took the Ford design award

again, car of the show. And then the next year we took the twin turbo Camaro and that won the GM design award, car of the show. And then the next year we came with the fair lane, the black ops fair lane, and that won the Ford design award car of the show.

So we're the only shop I know of. And again, I say with thankful because I had such amazing employees and people around me putting up, that's a heavy schedule, to do three out-of-the-park cars three years in a row. That's nobody sleeping.

Literally, that's nobody sleeping. For sure. And don't know of another shop that's done that ever. Congratulations. So I'm very, another shop that's done that ever. Congratulations. So I'm very, again, very thankful to those guys. And back then there was a guy who had worked for me for about 18 years named Pete. And he just moved back to Washington to be near his folks and all. So he's got a place called Muscle Car Beach.

I follow him on Instagram. Yeah. Pete Hart School. So just really, you know, I'm so lucky that I got all these people putting up with me. Because I literally wake up at 3 in the morning and come up with these ideas and start sketching the ideas. And, oh, my gosh, we've got to do this. And then they're like, okay. And then they put up and do.

So really, really, really thankful for that as you know you you know you've got a great team here with island over there and yeah you need a team you need a team for yeah i couldn't do this fucking thing without jamie i'd be lost first of all you know how slow i google he googles faster than me with one hand do you like it down here flipping switches yeah i love it down here? He's doing it while he's flipping switches. Yeah, I love it down here. Came down? Yeah, I love it. Three years ago? Mm-hmm. It's a different way of life. Yeah.

Like, yeah, it gets really hot in the summer, but that doesn't seem to bother me. What I really enjoy is how nice people are. It's a different kind of nice. They're like real, regular, nice people. They're not Hollywood nice. nice people they're not hollywood nice i think i think i really believe that everywhere in southern california like just the overall vibration of the area is in some way affected by the vast amount of people that are seeking stardom and want to be something special and want to be seen and you know i'm obviously guilty of that because I'm,

you know, comedian and all the other stuff I've done. I was part of it. I understand it. I'm not criticizing the people that are doing it, but I'm saying that it does affect the way people communicate with each other, especially because of acting, because acting is like the number one thing that people came to LA for back in the day. It was the number one thing. If you were a kid and you had a dream, you wanted to be a movie star, you came to LA. And along the way, these people realized like the only way to get chosen for roles, you have to have this Daniel Day-Lewis, like super mysterious, ultra talented person who everybody worships, or you had to play the game. So you had to say all the things that the producers wanted you to say to support all the political causes.

You had to check all the boxes. You couldn't think outside the box at all. And there's a way of communicating that people have in L.A. that it's like signaling that they're a part of this tribe signaling. They're part of this very progressive, ultra left wing ideology. of this very progressive, ultra left-wing ideology, and everybody has to subscribe to it, regardless of the consequences that it has on the city, or the crime, or the chaos, or all the other stuff. And it's just, I think it's tempered by this desire

that people have that live to fit in, because they want to be cast in things. Like, think about someone who's an actor. You're probably already fucked up. You're probably already insecure, which is why you want this exorbitant amount of attention. You probably had a bad childhood or whatever it was. Whatever it was. You were not stable and you go so far that you desire this exorbitant amount of attention.

Then what you have to do is you have to get in front of casting agents so people get to pick you. They have to choose whether or not you're good. Choose whether or not you're worthy. And your self-esteem is based on whether or not you get picked. And so there's these people that are constantly in this cycle of rejection, constantly in the cycle, seeking acceptance and rejection. And then they see people that make it and they're furious. Why isn't it me? Like I had a friend and he was dating this gal and she was an actress too. And he got a role on a TV show. He was so excited and he told her about it.

And she started crying saying, when is something going to happen for me? It's the first thing she said. I was like, dude, that's not good. Like that's not, but that is super, super common. And that's a lot of like what flavors the consciousness of Los Angeles. It has an effect on it. And out here, that doesn't exist. Right.

It's different. I agree. And for me, I was really happy to find, agreeing with you, to find Simi Valley because I'm from. Oh, yeah. Very different. Let's go back at the beginning of the conversation. I'm from Appalachian. That's a handshake is your word.

You know, it's real simple, real simple background. Mike sells moonshine. So, Simi, again, not for a game of name-dropping, but I know, like my friend Ezio that has Bomb Hoagie,

my favorite little place to get Philly cheesesteaks, which you can't find for shit out in California, does yummy stuff. I know, like, Donish, the manager at my bank. I know Neil, who has, well, of course, East Coast Pizza. You know, I know their names. I know these people because it's got that small town feel to it. Right. It's not just in and out and you have no time to meet anybody or know anybody or, you know what I mean?

I've been out there because Tarrant Tactical, that's out in Simi Valley. Right. It's just a normal neighborhood. It's a normal community that's sort of divorced from a lot of what ails LA. And I know you had gone there from past times of just telling me. Do you still go back? Yeah, when I'm in LA. Oh.

Yeah, if I'm in LA and I have time, I go back there. Shave in another five minutes since I'm around the corner. Well, oftentimes I'm there on Sunday. Oh, well, let me know. Let me know. That's cool. I didn't know if you went back. I know you liked it.

Yeah, it's good to know. I mean, if you have a gun, it's good to know how to really use it. Yeah. You know? And he's the best. That guy's awesome. He's such a great instructor. Does he give you instructions?

Oh, yeah. It's instructions. Oh, it's not just here's a range and go shoot it. No, no, no, no, no. You're getting taught by a master. I mean, Taron is like a multiple-time world champion in those shooting competitions. I did not know it was an instructional thing. Yeah, he trained Keanu Reeves there for John Wick.

Yeah, he trained Michael Jordan, Michael B. Jordan. He trained him for a bunch of his movies. He's trained just a host of people. I was there with Rob Lowe. I've been there with multiple comedians. I took my friend Shane Gillis there. It's like he trains people, like, literally from the very beginning, how to correctly hold the pistol, how to brace it correctly,

what amount of pressure you put with your left hand versus your right hand, how to line the sights up. He teaches you, like, how to do everything correctly. That's awesome that Keanu Reeves has that. So when he's filming it, he's looking like, Oh, he actually is shutting, shooting a gun.

Super legit. If you watch John Wick, he looks super legit. He absolutely knows what he's doing. Cause Taron trained him. I mean, everything he does is exactly how you would do it. How long have you known Taron?

Taron? Taron. T-A-R-A-N. Years. I don't know. Many years. I think I don't know. Many years. I think I first went there, I forget who brought me there, honestly. Hmm.

I forget who brought me there. But, you know, you go there for like an hour and he coaches you. It's great. A couple hours maybe. And you always have new people there. Just. Chad Stileski, the guy who produced and directed, he actually wrote and directed. Did he write John Wick or did he? He directed it and produced it. Yeah, I think he at and directed, he actually wrote and directed. Did he write John Wick?

He directed it and produced it. Yeah, I think at least if he didn't write it by himself, he definitely co-wrote it. Yeah. So I met him there. I met a bunch of really cool people there. He's always having, like the King of Jordan was just there training with him. Yeah, it's wild. He trains people.

He's that good. He trains people from does he do just firearms or does he do bow and arrow just firearms yeah they do throw hatchets too so he shows you how to throw a hatchet because there's a lot of stuff that people use in movies and in john wick movies and things like skill sets yeah yeah yeah but yeah hallie berry trained there there's all these videos of her learning how to shoot a pistol. I don't know if I've ever spoke with you about it. Growing up, I fiddled with archery, bow and arrows. Yeah.

Fascinated me. And you know Nuge. Sure. And he's Whackmaster, as his brand is. Do you? Yeah, you got into that too, right? Bow hunting? Yeah.

Weren't you doing that yeah i still do it yeah i just got back i just got back from an elk hunt in utah oh yeah bow hunting bow hunting yeah yeah practice every day i was out my yard today practicing oh cool yeah yeah always you have to for me yeah for me that's harder than than guns of course i, guns take a skill set for sure. Oh, yeah. No, guns aren't easy. It's not easy to kill a deer with a rifle. I mean, you could get lucky and one can be close.

But if you're in the mountains, it's very difficult to get close to them. You have to understand the wind and how to sneak up on them. It's easier with a rifle because you could take a 200-yard shot ethically. Whereas with a bow, you really want to get inside of 60 yards if you can.

Right. And then have the aim. And you have to be really good. Yeah, and then the aim. And you have to be able to keep your nerves together. Yeah, yeah, I was always... There's a lot going on. ...fascinated with it. My dad, because my area, again, Abiligan,

a lot of hunting, fishing, that kind of stuff, so that was promoted. It's an amazing way to get food. It really is. Like, your food has promoted. It's an amazing way to get food. It really is. Like your food has a... It's a very realistic way to get your food. You just have a very different connection with what your food is. When I eat an elk steak, it's a very different connection than if I eat a steak that I got

from HEB. Explain. Well, you were there when this... The last one I killed was my favorite because it was so old. It was an 11-year-old elk and his teeth were all worn out. Like when we opened his jaw, that's about as old as you get in the mountains. Like he might live to be 13, but probably not. And during the rut, when they're breeding, they don't eat a lot of the time.

So they lose a ton of weight because they're just running around chasing tail. And literally. No pun intended. Yeah, no pun intended. And then during the winter, it's rough. It's rough because they have to eat as much as they can after the rut. And by that time, it might already be snowing. So the grass might be getting covered up, but it's harder to get food. And if you're not lucky, you could freeze to death in the winter because you don't have enough fat. And it happens to them all the time. And that's generally how they go out or a cat gets them right and one of the two is probably

coming you know or they can get injured and a cat catches them limping and then that's a wrap you know they're it's a fucking hard scrabble life so that was my favorite because you got them we got them at the right time 11 years This is like, that's a really good time. That's a real mature, wise old elk that just caught slipping. You know? And so when I'm eating that, I'm eating something that I worked really hard to get to. I practiced really hard. I got in really good shape. Did all these things to work on my aim, work on my precision with my shooting,

and just work on, you know, all the things, the cardio, all the things that cardio all the things that you have to do to do it so it's just a very different connection than just i'll still eat a steak at a restaurant i still love them they're just so great it's just a different experience right well sure yeah it's more uh definitely more personal it's definitely more personal but it's also more honest you know it's it's a much more honest exchange, especially if you're getting some factory farm shit. There's a lot of weird karma that comes with that. There's a lot of weird karma.

It's so easy to get a chicken sandwich. It's so easy to pull into a drive-thru and get a chicken sandwich. But if you had to see the life that chicken lived, you'd probably be pretty fucking horrified. There's a lot of the chickens we buy. I'm sure you've seen those chicken trucks that are driving down the street on the highway and they're just stuffed with chickens and you're like, yo, that's a fucked up life. Or did you ever see the one where the pigs, there was a car accident, I think, and the pigs jumped out of the fucking truck and they were like splattered all over the highway.

They, you know, tried to escape. Yeah. Not good. So, like I said, it's a very different thing. Oh, sure. No, agreed. Understood. So you're still hunting, obviously.

You just came back from one. Yeah. It's also, it's a good reset for me because, you know, I do this weird thing where everybody listens to me talk. Very strange. You know, the whole thing's very strange. And you could get a very inflated sense of your worth and your perspective and your place on earth. But when you're in the mountains, that's literally impossible. Oh, yes. You know exactly, you know how tired you get when you go up the hill. You know what a bitch you are. You know, in comparison to these other animals that are out there hunting these things, you are not, you're only an apex predator because you have a bow. That's about it. That's it. In fact, that is it.

It's the only reason. And then, you know, you're also encountering this unforgiving, uncaring, beautiful. Landscape. It's not just a landscape. It's a realm. Fair enough. When you're there, it's like when you're in the actual wild, it's a realm.

It's a different realm than the realm we exist in. I know you can just walk into it, but once you are in there, you are living inside this ancient system, this ancient system of tooth and claw, this ancient system of breeding and survival and predators and carnivores and these animals that are just there to pick up the mess, the vultures that swoop in and the birds. And it's just a fucking wild place to be man and it just completely resets me just that alone i understand and agree yeah you have good uh reverence um long time ago i'd met a couple of uh indians uh native american that um tried to follow basically their lineage and the discussion was that the same vein of the respect of that you described it well

that realm it is though it is like a realm you know they were the real what that's why it's so disappointing when you find garbage the saddest thing when you're on like yeah some public trail and you see a water bottle that someone just discarded. Like, oh no, you're bringing our bullshit into this incredible realm. In that realm, there's no garbage. It doesn't exist. Everything gets eaten.

Everything that dies gets consumed by the earth. It becomes fertilizer for the trees. It becomes food for all these creatures that that live there it's all a cycle it's an insanely perfect cycle and when you're there it's just like okay it just puts it all in perspective it's also fucking thrilling man like when you're around these animals it's three see an eagle fly overhead it's like wow yeah wow. Yeah. It's thrilling. Big bird. In California a few years back, I watched a golden eagle grab a rabbit. Real big bird.

Oh, man. It was awesome. He swooped in, and we saw it just – we were driving in a truck, and we saw it just at the very end. There was like this rabbit that was like right underneath the branches of of this tree and this eagle just swooped in and grabbed it and just grabbed it on the ground and started flapping its wings and going up this little hill with it we were like holy shit i um again from the background where i'm from a lot of farms and mobsters too well there was that. But a lot of farms were, you know, when I was younger, chucking hay bales. And would, because of being around barns, see owls howl.

Oh, they're amazing. They are. They are. Everyone's like, owls are so fascinating and cool and neat. I'm like, they are a cold-blooded assassin. Ruthless night stalkers. Ruthless and absolutely silent. Yeah, they're amazing.

They make no noise. They are nature's hitman. Have you ever seen the video? It's a trail camera video that they set up on this nest of hawks. So there's hawks in this nest, and they're sitting there at night just looking around. This owl comes in from the background. You see his eyes in the distance and just snatches them. Watch this because it's amazing.

They are. This is what an owl is. It's not give a hoot, don't pollute. No. This is the way you get to the library. They are. Watch this. They are assassins.

So look in the distance, and you'll see the eyes soon. There they are. Watch this. Here they come. No, no, no, no, no. They'll just appear. Well, I'm sure he'll make real quick work of it. Here he comes.

Watch this. Look at the eyes. Oh, bam! And that other one is like, what? Where's my brother? What just happened? What the fuck? Like I said, absolutely silent and unbelievably efficient. Snatch.

Look at the eyes, man. That's a demon. Wham. I mean, that is a demon. It's just a fluffy demon. Fluffy demon. If that thing was doing that to people and it was covered in, like, lizard scales, we would say, oh, my God, it's a demon. Yeah.

But because it's got feathers, for some reason, we like to think this thing is this wise, cute thing in the forest. Woo! Now, I've watched them hunt. And I think the thing that was most fascinating to me is they're absolutely silent. Yeah. There's no noise. The prey has no idea that thing's coming. Yeah.

Wham! When we were just leaving California, we found one that looked like it had been poisoned. It's a real bummer, man. An owl? Yeah, because what happens is people poison rats. If people have rats in their garbage, they'll put rat poison out. Sure, of course. The rats eat the poison, the owls eat the rats, and the owls die.

Poisons the owl. I'm not an expert in owls, but there was something really wrong, because it was sitting in the front door of our house, and it was literally the day before we moved to Texas. Oh. Just sitting there, dying. Oh, at the old house back home. It was symbolic.

To me, it was almost like symbolic of the life I knew here dying, that I had to leave it that's how little guy big guy like about that big regular size owl yeah it wasn't a mature owl it was a mature owl but it was fucked up man it was just like just fucked up just trying to move a little and could move its wings it was very very very very, very sad. And I know where I lived was very hilly. There's a lot of rats. There's a lot of coyotes. There's a lot of wildlife out there. So I'm assuming that someone poisoned it because it was a suburban community and people don't want rats in their garbage. They don't understand the food chain. But I think that was a real problem that was killing off a lot of owls. See if that's documented. Because I think that was a real problem in the

Hollywood Hills as well, that people were poisoning rats and the rat poison was killing owls. It's a bummer, man. But there's something about those. I don't know how they got labeled the way they got labeled. I don't know how they got a monocle and a book. Like something happened. Yeah, that would be the wise old owl. Rat poison from marijuana farms is harming federally threatened northern spotted owls. So, yeah, it's a thing. I'm sure it's not just the marijuana farms.

I know people in my neighborhood are using rat poison. Oh, sure. Because people would ask you, how do you deal with the rats? Well, it doesn't sound like it's a far-fetched theory, that's for sure. No. Do you know how smart rats are? Yes. That if you leave some poison.

I had rats as pets. Did you? Yes. Have you ever seen the Netflix show Rats? No. Oh, my God. There's an amazing documentary on Netflix called Rats. And you watch it and you just go, what?

Like, you don't understand the scope of the rat problem in this country. Like, you don't know that there's more the same. I think they think it's the exact same biomass. I think in New York City, the biomass of rats surpasses the biomass of humans. So if you weighed all the people in New York City, I think the rat biomass is actually either the same or larger. That's how many rats there are in New York City. Yay.

See if that's true. I know that I've read multiple. They don't have an accurate estimation of the rats. It's like fish in the ocean, right? It's a huge different number. It's like 2 million or 50 million. If it's 2 million, it's 25% of the human population there.

And if it's 50 million, it's what? And it's way more. It depends on how many there really are. I bet it's 100 million. Fucking rats in New York City, it's insane how many there are. Oh, I'm very familiar. Yeah. And this documentary shows how intelligent they are. And one of the things they do, if you leave poison in

a rat tunnel where the rats go, the rats will get a young stupid rat to go eat the poison. It's like, hey, man, look at that food. And they'll sit back and watch. The old rats will sit back and watch. And the young rat goes over, starts eating the poison. And they go, yep, thought so. And they take off.

Like they know. There's videos of rats setting rat traps with sticks. Have you seen this? No. pull that totally believable they set up a rat trap and this rat walks over and picks up a stick and drops it on the rat trap so it can get the cheese like that's how fucking smart they are sure those little creeps those little creeps this. So look at this rat. Oh, yeah, it's a rat, right? It's not a mouse. It says mousetrap, but isn't that a rat? Like the tail? I don't know.

What is that? That looks small enough to be a mouse, but it could be a rat. Either way, whatever this fucking thing is, watch this. Wow. Snap. With a fucking stick, man. It knows how to set that thing off off and it didn't even flinch. Can you imagine? You don't know that that's going to happen and you drop a stick on something and it explodes. Watch that mouse or rat or whatever the fuck it is.

That thing. Oh, you're right. It's a rat. He didn't freak out because the thing went snap. Yeah. World's smartest rat. So it is a rat. Watch this.

This motherfucker doesn't even flinch. Watch. Drops it on there. Not a budge yeah not at all just like cracking a safe if it's a rat do you think maybe this kid trained it trained it yeah yeah probably afraid yeah it didn't just happen randomly yeah it's probably for the clicks because i used to teach him play basketball where i was from maybe it might be for the clicks or it might be a legit video of how fucking smart rats were like he was trying to figure out how are these motherfuckers not dying maybe he just kept a rat trap in the same spot over and over and over again and eventually they realize oh

every time it snaps that Iraq gets killed but the food still there yeah well this account is mountain he's got mousetrap Monday so he's got you must have oh so he's like running experience See, that's a mouse in the picture. That's a mouse. If that's his buddy pal. Was the other one a mouse or a rat, though? Stunt mouse. So this is the guy that did that little video? Yeah, so I was noticing that his account had like 2 million followers

and I was like, this might be... It says mouse. It says Mousetrap Monday. So they look like mice in that little thing that he's holding, right? Right. So he must have trained mice. And he probably incentivizes them to snap the trap. Yeah, the theory of what, Pavlov's dog or whatever. Repeat, repeat, learn. I wonder how he taught them how to set a

trap with a fucking stick. I wonder how many died trying to figure it out. I know, right? He probably sacrificed a lot of his little pets. The dark side to mousetrap Monday. Yeah. The very dark side to mousetrap Monday. What are you doing over there, man? Yeah.

I know, right? If you're running tests. Someone's going to go. You've got to have to use mice. I bet he would have the video of him teaching it if he did do that, too, because that would get some views. Yeah. It's a strange thing. I mean, it's obviously that we have this distaste for rats and mice because they carry these bugs, they carry the plague, and they carry diseases.

And they document that in the Netflix special, too. The Netflix special shows, like, some of them have plague there's like somebody yeah they catch me obviously not a lot of people are getting bitten by rats but if you were you'd be fucked there's a lot of them that are just horrific now i have to congratulate you for what on something you may not know so are you on a fucking i a fucking I talk with my hands. What do you want? You may not know. What is it?

So I got together with a guy named Drew Harden who's been an editor like thing at Hot Rod and Rod and custom bunch of different books and he's written books

like books. He had a book called Hot Rod Magazine All the Covers which covered up to no pun all the way up to 2009 hot rod started in 1947 so all the way up to 2009 every cover ever printed right and then he he just released a new book um like the history of hot rod magazine right which begat

every automotive magazine that was the first and mr Mr. Peterson, I mean, he had everything. He had Hot Rod, he had Field and Stream, Better Homes and Gardens, like every popular science, every book you could think of was him, if I remember right. Anyway, so I, because of your latest cover, asked Drew, hey, man, how many cars have ever been on the Hot Rod magazine twice? And I have every issue of Hot Rod from 47 to now, but it's easier to ask someone who's

like written a book about the covers than go through every one of them. And we found 14 cars that had been on the cover twice but i said hey how many cars have been on the cover three times and there's five and one of them i mean it made the criteria it was on the cover three times, but it was Hot Rod Magazine's Crusher Camaro. So I'm like, well, that's insider trading. The editors can put their own car

on the cover, but nevertheless. But your Nova was on shared cover with my Buick funny car, Skylark. It's clearly in the cover. That was part of the criteria. Is the vehicle,

if there's more than one car on the cover, is it on purpose? And yours was on purpose. It's on the side. It's not even back there. It's here. And then it was on the cover in bare metal, built. And then brand new,

out right now in the newsstands. So you are one of five cars ever in the history of Hot Rod magazine to be on the cover three times. That's pretty fucking cool. And congratulations, sir. Thank you very much. What does it look like on the cover? Show me the cover of the magazine.

You have, oh, I've got it in my briefcase. I'll send one back to you. I brought one for you. Yeah, but you can just look it up right now. Yes, you will. Brand new issue of Hot Rod magazine. I've got it on my phone, but he'll find it. I'm sure Jamie will find it.

Well, he's an island, you know. He's an island. He'll find it. He's a man. He's a rock. Wow. Pretty cool. So, but now no pressure out to our editor on hand.

Trying to get on four times? Is that what you're trying to do? No. No, we're all done with that card. Okay. I was going, what's this pressure talk? No, no. John McGann, who's the current editor of Hot Rod Magazine, which we thank for the wonderful cover.

Did you find it? Yeah, I think so. If, I'm putting it out there, putting it out there to the car universe, if he gets the opportunity or wishes to feature your, there you go. Hot Rod Remixed. There it is. Your Sickfish 2.0 that the Roadster shop did a wonderful, beautiful job.

If they feature it again, and if the gods of Hot Rod deem it so to put it on the cover, I'm putting it out there, If, no pressure, John. But if that happened, you would be the only human on the planet

to own two vehicles, one that's been on the cover twice because Sickfish was on the cover once in bare metal. Right. And then the Nova's on the cover three times. You would be the only human

in history. Someone can have that. Someone else can have that. I don't know. I'm just saying. It's okay. What do I know? Hey. I don't know. I'm just saying. It's okay. What do I know? Hey, I don't know if John's featuring it or if I put it on the cover.

I know it's a prestigious thing. Well, it's a neat thing. Yeah, it's cool. The car's cool. I just like them for what they are. You know what? And that's really true. I've talked with a lot of people because they asked me because obviously you're well known

for this gig. And I think you're just rippingly funny. We'll watch you tonight, by the way. I'm going to go down and watch you. And my car world guys are like, is he really a gearhead? And I'm like, you know what? I don't think he's out-wrenching on it, but I know he has a very deep, totally digs it, thinks it's wonderful, thinks it's cool.

I don't wrench on them, but I do love them. He's not on this to look cool owning one. You actually really like them. No, I love them. Even when I'm not driving them, I go in my garage and I stare at them. You know what? There's a great thing that's been said, again, within my world. You got the wrong car, if you don't park it, walk away, and turn around

to look at it again. Yeah. If you do that, you got the right car for you, man. You turn around, you look at it, and you go, that thing's badass, man. Sometimes I don't even have to drive it. I just sit and look at it. Yeah. It's art.

It really is. These kind of old cars in particular, especially like that Nova that you made, is a piece of art. Yeah. To me, I get a much greater satisfaction out of that kind of art than I is a piece of art yeah to me i get a much greater satisfaction out of that kind of art than i do a lot of art i love art obviously you see this studio it's filled with art out there i love art i love when people make things i love human expression i love it in i like custom-made pool cues i like when people make shoes. I like stuff. I like people who make knives.

Artisan. Yes, cars. That's what I like. I like when I see a thing, I know that humans made it. They worked on it. Their mind, their creativity, their skill, their talent. I love that. And it's interesting because obviously you have a lot of dexterity from hunting, learning and utilizing firearms and, say, bow like we were talking. Do you have an outlet that is artistic?

Do you woodwork? Do you do stuff, anything like that? Because you obviously have a high appreciation for it. No, no, I don't really make anything. No, just other than jokes and podcasts. No, I – Did you ever want to no it's like to me it's like music like i don't have any music talent but i really appreciate music you know i love that i can go i love that i can't play guitar but i can go watch gary clark jr and i'm

like i just don't even know how the fuck is he doing that the sounds is just magic i love it i love that i have no connection to it i love that kind of stuff i love things that i don't have any skill in doing i love watching people but you appreciate it yeah i appreciate it i appreciate human expression i think that we all do yeah oh i definitely do there's human expression in a lot of forms and And for me, when I was a kid growing up, the fucking coolest thing in the world were hot rods. When I was 15, 16, when I was getting my learner's permit and about to get a driver's license, all of us in the town that I grew up in, in Newton, Massachusetts, all my friends, everyone was obsessed with cars. We were all obsessed with Camaros and Firebirds. Everyone was obsessed with cars. Must were all obsessed with Camaros and Firebirds. Everyone was obsessed with cars. Mustangs and Chevelles.

And that is burned in my brain. We used to go, there was a, God, I wish I could remember his name because he was so cool. There was an auto shop teacher, this old Irish guy. He was fucking great. He was hilarious.

And we always wanted to take auto shop class because he was just a regular guy. You could hang out them right and he was only into Mustangs like old must Yeah, these old Mustangs and we'd all work on these Mustangs and fucking bondo them and fix things Yeah, learn this and that but it was just I developed this Appreciation for what those things are and the magic that they instill in some people. I mean, it's not everybody. Some people see them, they're like, oh, it's noisy. It's loud. It stinks. But other people see them, they go, oh, and that was me. And that's still me. So to this day. So that's why I like those cars. Those cars to me are like how someone wants to buy a Van Gogh.

They want to put this, you know, this fucking Jackson Pollock painting in their wall, and they'll sit there, and they'll have a glass of wine, and they'll stare at that, and that's for them. And I love painting too. I love art too. But there's the art that really fucking gets my juices going is functional art like a car. Yeah.

Because that's what it is. It's a piece of functional art. It is a piece of functional art. I agree completely. Yeah, because that's what it is. It's a piece of functional art. It is a piece of fun I agree completely and it's and it's the experience what drives me is the create it and build it Yeah, and then when I'm done with that, I'm like really I'd love it And then I can't wait to do the next thing I'm gonna create and you know and do and build and that's that's the excitement For me is the design and then that make it. Yeah. So that's really what your good fortune is.

You found this thing that you're really good at. Oh, unbelievably fortunate. And that you love. That's the good fortune. And then also you've attracted like-minded great people to do these things with you. Yes. That's the really good fortune. Yeah.

Unbelievably fortunate that I've – or as a joke, they put up with me and help forge this stuff that I. No, they're cool people, too. It's a good vibe. Like, every time I've gone to your shop, it's a fun vibe. Yeah. They're really, you know what they are, or the term I use is, because plenty of people say, you know, good people. I say they're good humans. Yeah.

They're just a good human being. They're good fisher folk. Nice fisher folk. That's today's word fisher folk frightening word but yes not really yeah but yeah i i am yeah that's the thing and that's really thankful for my the the my i call it the shop family because i've got my guys, right, the current crop of Troy and Kelly and then our new boy Tommy. And then my sublet guys, as I've already said, Mick and Gabes, those guys I consider an arm off of my shop because they become involved with it. Sure.

They treat my stuff like it's something, you know, they put the care into it and their talent into it. And so it is a group of, like you said, like-minded guys that, you know, and they care that their name's on it. Yeah. They actually want to do a good job. Well, that's why your story's cool is because your story, you know, building that first car in the garage like that. Or the barn, yeah. Yeah, but all that stuff. That's what people

need to hear like that there's a path to finding what it is you do and that path is going to be weird and it's going to take a long time sometimes yeah it's difficult and it's not going to be easy and you're going to fucking struggle but you can do it people can do it people have done it and maybe you didn't do it this time so pick yourself yourself up and try it again. And keep doing it. And keep trying to find that thing. And if you can find that thing, you'll have a happier life. Yeah. And thank you for recognizing that because I agree with that.

It's like, you know, you've actually got to work hard at this. It's hard. Whatever it is, it doesn't have to be building a car. How long did that Nova take to build? That took a long fucking time. Way too long. Obviously, a lot of that was your eye issues, but it took a long fucking time. It takes a long time to make something.

Right. Now, if I had nothing else to do and we just did that, it wouldn't be done much quicker. Well, even Hammer, how many years did that take? A couple of years. Yeah, years. Years of everyday work on that thing. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's what people need to understand. Yeah. This is not something that gets made quick. Oh, no. It is a long time. I remember going to visit you and like, you know, seeing the process from the very beginning, the bare frame and we measure my height and make sure the windshield is the perfect size. It's all fitted for you.

It's, it's amazing. It's really, really fucking cool. It's fun. It's great. You know, what you do is, uh, it's, it's much appreciated appreciated and you've done a really cool thing with this too because this is evolved and Grown and done things. It's it's interesting to me because I I Watched there's the comedian thing and then there was this thing because this isn't Funny. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's that's the thing the comedians are afraid of. They're afraid of you have to be funny always. You've done a fantastic job of

separating church and state almost. The real separation is the UFC. That's my real separation because I'm not even remotely funny on the UFC. True. The UFC is just 100%. I don't swim in those waters but I know of you being there, obviously.

But it's a completely different gig. It's a martial arts expert gig. That's what I'm doing. I'm analyzing choices. I'm looking at positions. I'm looking at the trends in the fight. Yeah, you're analyzing, like you said. I'm trying to give justice to what these guys are doing, like commentary.

Not to pretend to interview you, but did you i i think it just naturally happened i don't think you on purpose set out to do these three things no the comedy and then the joe rogan experience this show and then the commentary for the no for the fighting they just those are just things i like right and they just happened it just happened that things i like I wound up doing professionally. Yeah. And the UFC was – But if you step away from it, it's very curious. There are three very different things.

Yeah. Yeah. But they're all three things that I have a genuine interest and passion for. And I think I learned something from all three of those things. And I think all three of those things for – in my life, they all feed off of each other and they all help each other. They all work symbiotically. Like being a person who talks to people all the time about different paths, different walks of life. Like, you know, that informs you on the way different people think and the way different people express themselves, the way different people, what they like, what they don't like.

And then with MMA, it's like what's possible like talking about michael bisping fighting 10 fights with one foot in the eye and winning the world title you know you know as a huge underdog in a last minute replacement fight you you see like the human spirit in this very raw and just unfiltered form that i don't think very many people get to see. It's a wild type of human being that participates in that. And the risks they take and the rewards that they get, the highs that they get, this is an amazing speech. Find Israel Adesanya's speech after he beat Alex Pejeta. Israel Adesanya, who's one of my favorite fighters of all time, he loses his title to this guy, Alex Pejeta.

This guy, Alex Pejeta, has beat him twice in kickboxing. One time he knocked him out, and then they're fighting in the UFC for Israel Adesanya's world title. Israel loses the title to him in a TKO. Then he comes back five months later and knocks him out. Back it up. And this is the speech that he got. And he said to me, can I have the microphone for a second? I said, absolutely. So watch this. So let me just hold the microphone. Yes, sir.

Hey, shush, shush. Listen up. I want to say something. People, earth, I need to say something. Listen to me. I hope every one of you behind your screens on this arena can feel this level of happiness Just one time in your life Just one time your life But guess what? You never feel this level of happiness if you don't go for something in your own life when they knock you down where they try on you when they talk about you and they try to put their foot on your neck if you stay down you will never ever get that resolve fortify your mind and feel

this level of happiness as you rise one time in your life but i'm blessed to be able to feel this s*** again and again and again and again and again. Beautiful. That's the end of the podcast. That's life. That's life right there, ladies and gentlemen. Steve Strope, I appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much for being here. And I, you, thank you very much for the opportunity. It was a lot of fun, man. Yeah? And I appreciate your friendship.

Thank you. And what you did with that car is a masterpiece. You created a masterpiece. You're a fucking awesome guy thank you all right bye everybody