The Joe Rogan Experience - #2048 - Reggie Watts

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

Reggie Watts is a comedian, actor, author, and musician. Look for his new book "Great Falls, MT: Fast Times, Post-Punk Weirdos, and a Tale of Coming Home Again" on October 17. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/714088/great-falls-mt-by-reggie-watts/

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. I'll take that. Yeah? Yeah. I only drank a half one though, you drink the whole one? I drink the whole one, but I'm gonna try half this time just to see. Cuz you know it's weird, I have friends that are like, they not they're just like I don't know what it is like well they can't take it cuz well some people do get nauseous on it but I haven't I've never never had that

experience really weird like all throughout my life like I've taken all kinds of things that people are like I throw up or like Robitussin or something I drain a whole thing Robitussin I throw up I'm like I don't know why but I just I don't have that reactions yeah so I feel either lucky or i'm dumb i don't do you ever get seasick no oh okay yeah do you throw up when you get sick could you ever throw up i try to avoid it at all times but i don't get sick that often i get sick maybe once every four years or something do you ever drink too much and then you throw up you just down theed the whole thing, didn't you? No, I did like... Three quarters? No, I did half.

I don't know why this is two portions. That's silly. Because you can't even see through the glass. I know. How do I know where the half is? I always have my flashlight. I'm just like, oh, let me check. Yeah, that seems kind of silly.

I just, yeah, I'm trying half. Because I got to do that because I'm just like so like, just do it, just fucking do it. And every time I do it, I'm like, oh, man. It feels really good. But like I keep I feel like I miss my opportunity to try half. So this is my afternoon. Kratom is a weird one.

Yeah. Because it's kind of an opiate, right? It uses as far as I understand, it uses the opioid receptor, but it's not technically an opiate. There was a friend of mine was telling me that he takes Kratom before he works out. I go, how many did you take? Really? And he goes, I take 10. And I go, really?

10 what? 10 pills. Oh, of just pure Kratom. Yeah. And I don't know what the milligrams is. I go, 10? I was taking two. So I tried 10.

And I go, dude, you're getting high as fuck i was i was so high on 10 i was like oh my god this is a drug but it's a weird drug where it doesn't affect your motor skills no like i was really i was high but uh my coordination i was like nothing feels off yeah you know like when you're drunk it's like I can do this but everything's in slow motion but kratom was like high in some weird way but it was definitely intoxicated it's it's an it's an interesting one especially when you know feel free you've got kava and kratom which does that like here's a mellowing anti-anxiety vibe and and then here's a euphoric energy thing in the center of it. And so it gives you that, that's why people feel so groovy on it, because it's got those two.

However, I do understand if people get sick on it. I think some people just, it's too much for their brain, or they just need to do a third of a bottle or something. We can't even keep him at the club, because Duncan just chugs him. Really? Oh my God, he's an animal. The trusty? Oh, he doesn't play with those kratoms. I can only do,

I reserve one four times a week, like at night. I use it at night because, especially if I have a social engagement, if I have a lot of people to deal with, I take one of those, I'm just like, oh, really? Oh, where did you grow up? You grew up in France. That's interesting. That pen, what does it mean to you? I those, I'm just like, oh really? Oh, where did you grow up? You grew up in France, that's interesting.

That pen, what does it mean to you? I mean, I'm so hyper engaged, it's crazy. Isn't that interesting that there's actual things that can make you a better conversationalist? There's things that you can take where you'll be better talking to people. You'll say different things than you would without those things.

I know, I know. I know. I don't know. I think it has something to do with the, I think like certain things remove the editing aspect and you're just more fluid. Like I remember a friend of mine, she had like this, I don't know if you know people like this,

but they, they analyze everything that they're thinking. Like it's like a compulsion. So like my friend, she's amazing musician, but every time she would speak, she'd be like, well, I'd like to, I'm not sure if I, I should, but I, you know, I, she's amazing musician, but every time she would speak, she'd be like,

well, I'd like to, I'm not sure if I, I should, but I, you know, I, I would like to, but a lot of this like looped kind of thing and self,

but like the analysis loop is so, so small that I'm like, you know, I wish I could help. But then one night I can, she was nervous about taking ketamine and I, and I gave her just a little bit of ketamine. And finally, she's like, okay, I'll try it.

I'll try it. And she's like, I don't know. Maybe is it too much? And I was like, trust me. Just do this amount. I'm really good at dosing. And she took it, and I progressively saw her go from, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, and I was just kind of wondering.

My career is interesting, but I have a lot of fear. She was just calm, relaxed, and completely fluid fluid and i let her go for a while and then i said did you notice that you haven't stopped yourself once like in the last 10 minutes she was like oh my god you're right and i was like yeah like if you notice that when you're on it's possible you can carry that over into your functioning everyday life but it was it was a But it was cool to see that transformation. Yeah, I wonder if that's possible without the ketamine. I think, of course, it is. But the ketamine just puts you immediately in a spot where you're no longer emotionally connected to your observational self.

You're just in an observational state. So for me, I noticed that I'm very clear. Even though I think of myself as a pretty good communicator. Sometimes when I'm on Academy and the thoughts are just flowing in a way that I'm actually watching them. It's the same feeling when I'm improvising and it's going really well. Like I'm with a bunch of cats and we're like jamming or whatever. There'll be this weird thing where I'm suddenly I'm like, I'm just it's almost like I'm standing next to myself. Hey, that's pretty good. Oh, wait.

Then I'm playing again. And it kind of puts me in that kind of a state. And I don't know. There's something about it. I'm really interested in ketamine. Like doing more research with it too. Like fMRIs, like real-time fMRI and mapping regions of the brain when you're improvising and things like that.

There's been a little bit of that, but I want to do it myself just to see. Wasn't it originally devised as an animal tranquilizer? Yeah, it was an anesthetic as far as i know i think cats or something yeah it was like well horses like large uh large mammals that can do a lot of damage i think it was used for them to just come as an anti-anxiety and then it's an anesthetic so i know a friend of mine he was a friend of a friend he was skateboarding shoulder went out of place went to a hospital they shot him with ketamine and then put his shoulder back in i think they use that in medic kits overseas oh that's probably right i think they do if they have to do like uh in the

field surgery something happens on the battlefield well i know in vietnam all the the burn victims from like napalm and stuff like that um they use a mixture of opiates and ketamine. Because the dissociative takes you out of your body. So you're not related to the pain in your body. And the opiates obviously suppress pain at the same time. Crazy, right? Pharmacology. I know.

Reggie Watts and Joe Rogan. Everyone's like, we're not giving advice. There's all these doctors going like, that's not true. It was actually, I'm like, okay. Everything you're saying is dangerous. I'm trying. I'm trying. Everything you're saying is misinformation.

It's all misinformation. I mean, it's like sometimes it's just what you understand at the time. Oh, there it is. Yeah. There it goes. Ketamine was found of many of the same anesthetic and analgesic properties as PCP. I think it's very close to PCP, like molecularly, but consistently produced fewer adverse side effects. Following this initial

research, ketamine was characterized as a disassociative anesthetic. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And when I was growing up, we would drink Robitussin, which had dextromethorphan in it, which is also dissociative. And so it's kind of a weirder version of it. But when I first took ketamine, I was like, why does this feel familiar? It's Robitussin. Oh, dextromethorphan. Interesting. Although dextromethorphan feels like an Instagram filter over the dissociative experience, ketamine feels clean a little bit cleaner

interesting yeah i remember when nyquil had codeine in it and one time i was sick this is back in the old days yep i took nyquil and i was just i remember lying in bed feeling so wonderful you know i was like this is amazing i don't think I'd ever taken it before. And I don't think this formula is the same. I think I'm talking like the 90s. Yeah. Now, I remember being in a convertible in the 80s and a friend of mine sitting like, you know, on the deck where the top is down or whatever. He's sitting on the deck and he just had a bottle of codeine. He was just like, take sips of it.

And I was like, I wanted to try it, but I was like, I don't know. I just didn't. But it was funny. Was theips of it and i was like i wanted to try it but i was like i don't know i just didn't but it was funny was the car in motion it was commotion we were cruising that's not a smart move no i know it's not but it's the 80s move too i know it's totally codeine the 80s it's like 80s everything i remember i remember in the 80s being a scout like going all taking all the back roads from great falls to Lake 5 in Glacier Park on the way there with, like, a half rack of beer. And just, like, you know, drinking beers and cruising down the road and with, like, three friends and a bunch of bikes in the back. I mean, I don't know. The shit that we did back then was you just can't do it anymore.

You definitely can't if people are filming you with their phones. No, that's true. Yeah, yeah, that was the missing link. That's a big part of the world now. So many things are being filmed.

There's good and bad of it, right? The good thing is, like, citizen journalism. Sure, yeah. You know, like, we know more about the horrors of war,

like, the wars that are happening right now. Do you remember, like, during, it was, I think it was Desert Storm like during it was i think it was desert storm or it was the next it was after whatever 2020 2001 after uh the 9-11 attacks they weren't allowed to show bodies of troops coming home they weren't allowed to show coffins remember photographers were not allowed something Or something like that.

Yeah, which is insane. And then now, here we are 22 years later, and you just get graphic cell phone footage from Ukraine. Now you're getting it from Palestine and Gaza. It's just horrific graphic footage from phones. It's just horrific graphic footage from phones. I mean, even back in the days, like, remember when ISIS was on the rampage, you could still see videos on YouTube, like, before they took them down. People were exposed to some pretty, yeah. Like, I saw one of those, and I was like, I should have never seen that.

Should have never seen that. I can't get it out of my head. No, I've seen quite a few of them, unfortunately. It's just like, you know, I mean, it's like,'s like i mean on one hand it's like the barbarism is is is a good thing to see where you're like that i never want to put myself in this situation or i want to do everything i can to try to make our society not do that kind of shit but at the same time it can desensitize and some people can kind of fetishize on it as well. So it's, I don't know, it's a twofer. Yeah, that is a thing with people.

They do fantasize about things that they see. I mean, you've heard that about serial killers. They study serial killer documentaries and shit before they actually go out and do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, but, you know, humanity. Yeah, we're so weird. I know we're weird. We're, yeah. I know, but, you know, humanity. Yeah, we're so weird. I know we're weird. We're so weird.

I know. You know, this idea of eradicating all war. I mean, I remember when I was a little boy, I was living in San Francisco during the height of the Vietnam War, and the Vietnam War ended. And I remember as a boy thinking, oh, this is great. Now there's not going to be any more wars. They figured it out. The war's bad yep they didn't they didn't because wars will end that's the one thing about war a war will end but

does uh another one what's the next war that starts they're always sparking up they're always sparking up somewhere i i have this weird theory well Well, I don't know. It's a weird theory. But like, and it's a gross generalization. But I think like pretty much every conflict is a result of capitalism. Hmm. In the sense that raw capitalism, like in its nascent form, is like it's just a system of trade and so forth. in its nascent form is like, it's just a system of trade and so forth. But the way it's been wired, because it doesn't have human well-being involved in the equation, it's just about, can we make this graph go up? Like we need more of these numbers and it's just chasing

infinite wealth, right? It's like wealth amassing, but, but so it has a value system, but human well-being is not in it. So eventually over time, it's like, of course, people are going to game it and very few people are going to game it. And then they're going to acquire all this stuff. And then I'm just going to be like desensitized to the rest of the inequities and so forth. And then you're going to cause all this animosity. And then there's going to be a lot of people going like, well, I need to get my stuff back. And then you get all these opportunists that are using the disgruntledism and like using that to arm. It's like that's my over gross oversimplification. I'm sure I'll be corrected millions of times over.

But whenever I see any of these conflicts or even a conflict in my own neighborhood or my neighbors arguing over, it's about a property line or it's about, um, you didn't do this or you didn't do that. It's this weird thought process that goes into, I don't have enough or I have all the stuff and I want to keep the stuff or I want more stuff. And then someone else kind of responding to that in some way. I'm not phrasing it as eloquently as I usually do on ketamine, but, um, but that's kind of my, whenever I see all of these things, I'm just like, I have a feeling that it's probably maybe that I, I, I don't know. The problem is the alternative is even more horrific. What's the alternative? Socialism.

Socialism. Yeah. I don't know enough. Cause the only way that's enforced is by dictators. And then the dictators wind up doing what every human being in power does which is control all the resources control all the wealth live in extravagant houses why everybody starves every single communist dictatorship is all run the same way it's the only way to run them because the only way to enforce socialism is through violence the only way to take people's resources and evenly distribute it, you can go in with guns. But what about like countries like Sweden and things like that? They have social, well, we have social, we have social systems. We should have social systems. Yeah. Social,

social systems. But you're talking about like full on socialism. Yeah. I mean, I'm not, you know, that's why, here's something that's interesting. I really think within our lifetimes, if it hasn't happened already, governments are going to start using AI to do low-level legislation. And now I'm just like, I'm summarizing in a very optimistic way. We've been talking about this a lot, actually. Oh, okay. Okay, good. So I got a friend of mine, Dr. Alan D. Thompson.

If you don't know about him, just check him out. He's an AI expert researcher. He's an explainer. He has a thing called The Memo that comes out, I think, like every two weeks, something like that. But it gives you this really holistic state of the union of AI. And he's hyper optimistic and calls it human evolution, which I believe in that as well. If it's used well, you get rid of the emotional factor and you just have something that's looking to solve problems. And so I think it can at least give you five solutions that are not emotionally based, that are just addressed, that are supposed to kind of maximize the positive probable outcome.

And I think we may see a human AI synergistic government, low, at least low level government implement implementation, probably some country that's like can do that and not feel like they're back on the farm on it. And if they, if it goes well, then other people implement. Exactly. Yeah, I think so. We were, we were talking about a AI president, that you need a president that is immune to bias, corruption, influence, and someone who just looks at things rationally and in an intelligent way that spans all the disciplines, right? Like how could any president really be an expert in foreign policy, the environment, economics, social justice, infrastructure, immigration. It's not possible. How could one person really know the correct solutions to all those issues? Even if you're briefed, look, I can't imagine. All i do is run a podcast and do comedy and occasionally commentate on fights

and all those three things take up so much of my fucking time my whole day today has been having conversations with people about replacement opponents because there's a ufc coming out in two weeks oh wow so i've been having all these conversations with experts and people that i know and commentators of who can fit this spot and who's ready and who's in shape and who's turned the fight down. And how could anybody, that's not, that's so minor. That's my, my, my role is so small. I have so little to do and yet it's, it takes up so much of my time how could anyone manage all those things they can't but ai could yeah and ai doesn't have a son that gets money from barisma i know i know it's like the thing about that i know well it's like i mean if you look at like there's it's really hard i

had i had a term i don't know if it exists but i call it corporate corporates and most people in government essentially are corporates in in the sense that the things that when i see people like vetoing things or not getting on board with certain things and you're like well that seems like that would be helpful but you're choosing not to do it's like the influence of corporations on even well-intentioned you know people that go into government they're like i want to make a difference i It just gets in there. It's so baked. It's baked in there. And so I don't know how you're going to you're going to overcome that. The only thing I can think of is like because my thing is like I'm not really political in the sense that I don't have a party. I'm pretty independent. people that are, that are humble enough, that have enough humility to work with anybody that's, that wants to solve a problem that they're, that they're wanting to solve and to solve and to create solutions for the most amount of people possible. That's kind of, that's all I'm looking

for because there is no excuse for any of us being all the inequity we see in all of the, Any of us being all the inequity we see in all of the stuff is totally solvable if we were much more efficient with how resources are utilized, how they're distributed and so forth. And what I mean by that is like some of my friends are like, well, if you do like universal basic income, which I think is something I'm kind of interested in. I think that that is interesting. If you can account for where that comes from in a way that doesn't upset people, they have a lot of power and a lot of money, feel like that's threatening my whatever it is that I'm – Do you remember Bernie Sanders, his idea? Oh, no. What was that?

His idea that I thought was really fascinating when I talked to him. He said he's going to take a small fraction, less than one cent, for every speculation buy on the stock market. Whoa. And that would account for an insane amount of money. And you could essentially, through that money, just through that money, provide free health care, free education, just through that. There's two things that we could do that could stop people from living a shit life. One of them is keep them from being saddled down by student debt.

Student debt, student loan debt is fucking insane because you're taking these vulnerable young people, 17 years old, right out of high school, about to go to college. And they sign on for these fucking deals where they're going to owe an insane amount of money over the next five, six years, and they can never get out of that debt. That is crazy. It's crazy what we do to people. So then you force them into jobs that perhaps they don't want to do. And maybe there's things that they would have thought of pursuing that they can't pursue because they have a nut that they have to pay every month because they have student loan debts. And it's a big nut. If you're in medical school, it's enormous. It's an enormous nut. It's so insane because the way I look at it

is like anytime someone's in survival mode, they're in a crisis state. They're less likely to be in a solution-based mind state. They're generally in a crisis state. So if you're in survival mode, you're spending all of this brain trust energy that could be contributing to amazing solutions for all kinds of things. And you're just wasting it. And that's why when I, when I drive through LA and I see how many people are on the street, like I'm like, there's probably a genius in there. There's probably someone who could invent a new water filtration system or there's probably whatever it is. We're, it's a waste of human potential potential. And I'm like, if you don't invest in your population, if you don't believe in your population and you don't invest in them. And I just like the, some of the arguments are like, well, if you know, you're just giving away

stuff and people are just going to freeload, it's like, there's going to be, there might like some of the arguments are like, well, you know, you're just giving away stuff and people are just going to freeload. It's like there's going to be there might be some of that. But most of the time people want to get involved in something and they want to make the people at least close around them. They want to make their lives a little bit better. That's if you're not a drug addict. Well, the problem with the homeless community is the vast majority are mentally ill and or drug addicts. is the vast majority are mentally ill and or drug addicts. So what you really need, first of all, we definitely need to look at the country like it's our community,

and we don't do that. 100%. 100%. It should be one giant community. There's no excuse for radically impoverished, gang-ridden, crime-ridden neighborhoods. There's no excuse for that. We should be engineering that out. We should figure out a way to – if you want to make a better country you want to make america

great again make less losers what's the best way to make less losers give people opportunities from the jump you know how much potential we're missing out so much so much potential we're missing out because people who might have brilliant minds, might be incredibly creative, but they're born in horrible, hostile environments and they get caught up in it. And it could happen to you. It could happen to me. It could happen to anybody. We're all. Totally.

Anybody who's listening to this that hasn't committed murder or robbed people, a lot of it is luck. Your decisions for sure. And it's how you're raised. But you don't get to choose that either. You don't get to choose how you're raised but you don't get to choose that either you don't get to choose who your family is you don't get to choose your neighborhood you don't get to choose how they what trauma they faced in their life you don't get to choose what happened to your mother while she was while you were in her womb that that contributes to the way you think and behave because when a woman is involved in like heavy violence and trauma and when they're

around that all the time in the babies in the womb that baby comes out triggered like ready to go it's a fact michael orvin was explaining this like epigenetics and and experiential uh development yes gestation so if we could do i've said this many times, but I'll say it again. Think about these no-bid contracts they gave Halliburton to go in and fix Iraq after we blew the shit out of it. Why can't they give no-bid contracts to these motherfuckers to go fix up cities? Why isn't it profitable? Imagine if it was profitable to do that. If we can spend $100 fucking billion in Ukraine, whether you agree with that or not. We had that money somehow or another we were able to do that We have a crisis in America massive crisis

The loss of life in America is comparable to all kinds of wars If you just look at the amount of people that die in the south side of Chicago every weekend It was higher at many points than what was going on with the conflict in Afghanistan. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to me when I, when I see this, like the United States, I mean, the United States that I grew up in the eighties, there was like, yeah, we were kind of blinded by a lot of like, you know, kind of glamorizing and just like, everything's groovy, you know, like the, all the movies and TV shows and stuff like that. But at least when I grew up, I didn't have that stress of the micromanaging of constant reminders that the inequities are insane

and that the middle class is just getting squeezed. And everybody I know, and I'm talking about like, I tried to buy a house in LA for three years. I bid on four houses. One of them, the listing agent was like, we want you to have this house. They spoke French. I spoke French to them. I was like, okay, this is great. I'm buttering them up. The people who own the house were French. The listing agent was Swiss, but spoke French. And I was like, oh yeah. And they were like, yeah, we want you to have a house. I want you to have a house. I was like, this is great.

but spoke French. And I was like, oh yeah. And they were like, yeah, we want you to have a house. We want you to have a house. I was like, this is great. House went for $1.7 million. And of course that was like an underbid, however they do that bullshit psychological, whatever.

Low pricing. So I was like, okay, great. I'm going to give you a healthy offer. I gave him a healthy offer, talked to my real estate agent and everything. I sent it to him and I was like, okay, this sounds like this is going to go through. And then they're like, oh, sorry. They went with this, this other person.

Oh really? What did they offer? They offered 1.2 million on top of the adjusted asking price with no waiving all the inspections, contingents. And it was cash. That happened to me three times. And it felt like the city or life was like, oh, you want a house? I'll give you a little bit of hope, and then there's going to be a team that just goes out and says, we're going to outbid you, and we're going to just waive all the contingents. There's no way you're going to compete with it.

And I thought about that, and I have friends that are trying to find apartments right now. And even in Great Falls, Montana, where I'm from, I think some property value went up, I don't know, a huge percentage. Californians moving in. Well, Yellowstone, man. Yellowstone. They tricked everybody. Yellowstone.

They're going to be a rancher. When I heard about that. No, well, no, not even that. It was just like, like everyone thought, I thought like, oh yeah, a TV production promoting that area, like whatever that, that should bring in money. Right. It did. But now every Montana, cause Montana is already, it's like, I have the same, I feel the same way.

I'm like, just visit. Don't, don't move here, but just come and visit. You know, that's, that's always been my vibe growing up. All my friends have the same vibe. They're just like, just come here and check it out. And then we'll see you a little bit later. And you're always welcome back. And that's always been the vibe.

And now it's like almost militant now. People are really like, do not come in here. Don't, don't. Yeah, but you can't do that. You can't stop people from doing it. I know you can't. I know you can't. That's a ridiculous perspective.

But I'm just saying that it got harsher because of this show and how it changed the economy in Bozeman. I mean, they call Bozeman Bozangelus. And now no one can buy a house there. I have a couple friends who are like, we couldn't buy in Bozeman. We had to move somewhere else. And prices are going up everywhere. Wait until they get that 30 below winter for five know I've weeks in a row. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, what in the fuck did I sign up for?

I think a lot of people don't understand what they're getting into it is on the border of Canada son I mean up there. I mean I feel real winter. I feel safe about Great Falls Great Falls isn't necessarily a destination So I mean there's not not I mean, there are great things. Maybe you should stop talking about it. Lewis and Clark. Oh, I know. Yeah. Don't come here, man.

Great Falls, man. There's nothing there. It's like forest fires. There's deer that are really aggressive. Aggressive deer. Aggressive deer. But you know what I mean? I just like the times are kind of, I'm like, if an AI could just do a theoretical, it doesn't have to be implemented, but theoretically like ingested all of the government, all the legislation that all the laws that exist.

And you say, give it a simple thing. Like, how can we balance all of the spending and how can we contribute to things that will solve problems to make our lives feel more like, hey, you can go out in the street and go, how are you doing, man? I'm not too bad. They're like, okay, great. If that was the criteria, I would be interesting to see what it came up with. Yeah, but you're never going to stop supply and demand. You're never going to stop a place that's awesome from getting people to find out that it's awesome and wanting to live there. And then you're never going to stop people from raising the price of their real estate because the demand is there and then they sell it and then it raises property values. No, I mean, of course, I understand that.

It's all progress, Reggie. Okay. I understand that. However- You live in Los Angeles. I live in Los Angeles. That's literally the product of that. I know. I know. The Los Angeles, I know. I know. Believe me, I feel it. Perfect weather. Everybody moved there. You ever see Los Angeles? Remember when Jerry's Famous Deli was open back in the day? You'd be able to see these photographs of the valley from like the 1800s.

They had these old black and white photos where it was all dirt roads and orchards. There was nobody there. Yes. I know. That was 100 years ago, man. I know. 200 years ago. Now it's fucking psychotic

now it's bumper to bumper traffic and spray paint and cement everywhere i know i know my i have a friend uh from wyoming i think i talked about her on the show um and uh uh she kirsten joy why i said that yeah i talked about her sharpshooter we have the most amazing conversations because she's like she's not i wouldn't say's conservative, but she's a constitutionalist and has her beliefs. And she's Christian. She even talked to me on the phone. She's like, listen, I'm a white Christian woman living in Wyoming, in Cody, Wyoming, and I love guns. And I was like, and we have the most amazing conversation. It's great. And we usually unify on science fiction.

But she's terrified, or she said, you know, it's like, sorry, Kristen, but at one point she was like, I'm apprehensive about going to California because what I see is like destruction, you know, gangs and violence and all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I don't, I don't. And I know that it happens.

I've had friends' cars broken into, you know, those types of things. But in general, like, I don't experience that. And then that also comes down to me just going like, why don't you just come to L.A. and I'll show you. Nowhere is going to be perfect wherever you're going to live. There's going to be some kind of a limitation. You're either like, you're either not going to have the, uh, the culture that you're looking for.

You're not going to have access to the foods that you want, but you're going to get this, but you're going to get this, but you might not get this. And I think for me, it's like, I want to live in places, but not have any fear based off of the projection from fear-based projections. And so, I don't know. Right, but there's a reality of the elevation of violence in Los Angeles that's legitimate, and also the diminishing of police. Oh, yeah.

That's all real. Yeah, it is. Although I will say, this is weird, but I will say that there's a certain amount of that. This is weird to say, but sometimes when things get hostile or let's say more chaotic, I kind of go, oh, here's an opportunity. I think it's an opportunity in the sense that it makes people reformat their association to things like police. There's less, there's more violence. And like now we have less police. It's like, was the answer less police?

It's like, I don't think the answer was less police. I think it was about better trained police. Yes. I think that's, I think they went too far. And it's like when you have these opportunities in life where you're like this moment where people are like, maybe we should question the way we do things. But then the response is to overshoot and overcompensate. And now you've got like this, you know, so I don't know.

Well, it's also a problem that people have an opinion based on an ideology that they subscribe to. Yes. And say if you have a leftist ideology and you subscribe to that, then you have some very specific. I bet I know where you stand on climate change. I bet i know where you stand on climate change i bet i know where you stand on many issues and the problem with that is if your tribe all agrees to something you signal to your tribe by also agreeing to and it's much easier than having a real objective conversation about the realities of that thing and not being attached to these ideas but just saying what are the realities of these things? Yes

Yes, I always call it the 10% rule like I may believe in something and and think about it and go Yeah, that makes sense for me But I always leave 10% margin of me being completely wrong or me misunderstanding the whole situation Yeah, because I can't hold on to something so fervently because I have all kinds of friends. I have conservative friends. I have anarchist friends. I have agnostic friends, whatever.

I have religious friends. I have leftist friends. But the thing that brings us together is that we can have conversations about issues. And if I bring up something that is a counter to what they believe, they're at least listening. And they're like, that's interesting. Well, yeah. If we incorporate a little bit of what you're talking about into what we're doing and we kind of deescalate on here, we can arrive at something that's a little

bit more rational that works for more people. What's stunning how emotionally attached people are oftentimes to subjects that they're not even informed on. And then when you really have a conversation with them about the actual data, they fall apart because they're ideologically driven. Their camp, whether they're a right-wing conservative or a left-wing progressive, their camp believes a certain thing. And so they're locked in on this certain thing as being correct. And then emotionally they respond to a differing opinion. And that is just rough, man. Those are rough conversations. I don't enjoy them. I really enjoy having conversations with people that I disagree with, that are polite and kind and

objective and fair. Those are great conversations because they're stimulating. I get to see how you think about things and why you think about these things. And those conversations are so important. And for whatever reason, nowadays, people don't want to have them anymore. They want to like, I think it's a social media artifact. 100%. It's social media and that you can interact and you can say something. The thing is like, if something affects you emotionally, you can immediately state how you're feeling. And the context is so limited on that statement. I've gotten into I go on I go on Twitter. I'm not going to call it X, but I go on Twitter and and I have these discussions with some people that are like, oh, there is no way whatever I say.

And I'm always practicing different hacks. I'm like, OK, well well maybe I'll just go in with uh you're obviously in you're there's some insecurity that you're feeling and you're feeling frustration and so you're kind of like you know you're kind of expounding these things because it kind of gives you an energy in the moment yeah that makes you feel as though you're doing something you're doing something and and often their reply is is generally more of the same but slightly different information and i'm like okay i see you're not you're not in the mode where you want to have a conversation we're not having a face-to-face conversation you're trying to win you're playing a game yeah

and i'm not i'm not into winning right it's like i i want i just want to i want to come to an understanding because there's nothing better i mean one of my favorite highs in the world, and I love drugs, but my favorite high in the world is when I had a conversation, uh, for, this is just an example. I was in Montana, back steps of my friend Wally's, uh, house. His next door neighbor was an armorer in the Iraq war, um, was responsible for, I don't know, I think it was a battalion's worth of, of weapons. And it was only he and another guy that were monitoring these things. So he has all these stories and his viewpoint on all kinds of things that are, he's definitely more conservatively. I had this conversation

about the perspective from people who are, you know, it was a police issue. And I was saying, like, police need to be better trained. It's like, it's not necessarily about getting rid of them, but I believe that they need better training. In other countries, police go to school for two and a half years before they even get out. So there's a difference in quality. And we kind of went back and forth and I saw his eyes narrowing and it was just kind of like steaming up a little bit. But then the more we talked about it and the more I said, like, I understand where you're coming from. I get where you're coming from.

And I'm not saying I'm not saying the opposite of what you're talking about. What I'm looking for is a solution of perspective. And I saw him cool off. It was crazy. It cooled off. And we left like, he's still going to believe what he's believing, but it did not escalate. And it was feeling kind of a little dangerous and then it was fine and i'm like the more that we can have these conversations people aren't what they are for their entire lives yeah that's true they aren't

they aren't even what they are necessarily in any given moment because when we get information that we can tap into and feel and get it from somebody instead of these tiny little bite-sized nuggets that are like decontextualized, then it's brilliant. And I get off on that. That's my biggest high in the world. It's like my friend's going like, this about this, and I'm like, okay, okay, I hear you, but what about this?

And they're just like, oh, no, but check this out. And they're like, oh, well, I don't know what it is. I get off on it. That's the wonderful thing about some drugs. Yes. Because some drugs like for me, it's marijuana. Marijuana makes me so much more considerate of other people's perspectives and feelings because I'm much more sensitive when I'm on it. So when I'm talking to someone, I'm so much less likely to engage in like a real disagreement. You know, it'll be much more passive, much more like, okay, I see what you're saying.

Okay. So that, so you feel that, that like reaffirm and then have you considered, and this is a thing. And I also, I say this all all the time because it's a very important thing to say. I try very hard to not be connected to my ideas. These are just ideas. And I, as an individual, as a separate being, a conscious being, am engaging with these ideas. But I don't claim them as my own to the point where I'm married to them and I fight for them and these are my fucking – these are my ideas and I stand by them. You're dying on that hill. There's only a few. Sure.

Like, you know. Yeah. There's a few. Yeah. Right? But most things I'm like I want to know why you think the way you think. And that's one of the beautiful things about having a podcast is I have so many conversations with so many people that have completely different perspectives, man. I will get to get this chance to explore them.

Totally. And it's, it's funny. It's like, I have this concept where I talk about, um, I don't, I kind of believe that we all play characters of ourselves. Like we kind of have a character version of ourselves, but then there's the actor, right? Or if you want to use in car terms, there's a pilot or there's a driver and then there's a machine. And how I like to think of it is I like to address the actor or the piece of consciousness that's inside of the character, that's like playing the character. And generally that works really well because if i'm making an effort to speak to that part and then to kind of like try to see myself from their perspective people sense that they sense that you're making an effort and they appreciate it because you're recognizing the the sovereign being that they are not necessarily all the stuff around them i've talked to like people that are like super into conspiracy theories and they're really down into this crazy zone where it's like if

you're talking about encryption it's asymmetrical there's no way you're hacking that but you just skip to the quantum level and just talk to the consciousness and i know it sounds kind of esoteric but it's like it it works it's because I want to respect, I want to give everyone the respect of them and acknowledge that they are a being on the planet. They're a human being and they exist. But it's also you as a human. You're a really nice guy. And every conversation I've had with you

has been kind of consistent like that. You're just a nice person. You genuinely want to get along with people. And you genuinely want a real discourse, a real conversation. True. Some people aren't into that game. I know. And when you encounter those people, like if someone says, no, I want to fucking play tennis.

And you're like, but we're playing ping pong, man. No, no, no, fucking tennis. You got to go, okay, I want to play ping pong. You want to play tennis. gotta go okay i want to play ping pong you want to play tennis and just have a nice day i'm not gonna play tennis what if we play penis yeah what if we place what if we like what is the one pickleball pickleball oh my god pickleball is really fun oh my god i oh god yeah i hear that too but i won't just because of the name i can't but but no it's true it It's like I just, I don't know. I think that we're here and we might as well have a good time. Yeah. So like.

Yeah, be as nice as you can. Like kindness. That's all I'm looking for. Kindness. Kindness is like if I feel like someone's being kind, it's great. I've run into tons of assholes that I've seen like treat people like shit. But most of the time I can get in there. If I can get in there and they'll go like, oh, that's cool.

I respect you, man. I'm like, okay, great. Because I respect you too. But also don't do that shit. Like you could do stuff different. Yeah. And they'll come back at you and you'll get an energy that you actually want. Right.

Well, that's the thing too. Like some people say, like I met that guy and he was an asshole. Okay, well, how were you? Because when I met him, he's really nice. Like, how did you engage with this person? You know, some people it's like who you are is oftentimes a product of who you're talking to too. Like who you are in that moment is oftentimes how this person receives you and how they're talking to you. A hundred 100%, man. It's like there's nothing I love more than someone like,

and I'm just like, hey, what's going on? Oh, are you okay? And they're like, why do you care? It's like, well, because, I don't know, I dig you. If someone's coming at me, there's definitely times where I will push back on somebody if they're being a dick to me, but I love figuring out a way to be again like asymmetrical or just just illogical to them irrational to them because like if someone's like i'm gonna do

something that i'm expecting a certain reaction from that generally i get when i do it and then i if they're like here's some scrambled eggs and then i give them back a hat with like you know a lizard crawling around it and i'm like here's, and they're like, what is this? And then when they're in that confused state, that's the opportunity where you can just be like, man, this is silly, what are you doing? You don't have to be this way. Life is awesome.

I mean, and I know it's hard to see for some people, they're really, really affected by their environment, they're affected by the way they've been treated, they're affected by all kinds of things. Oh, yeah. But guaranteed, like, you play, if an acapella, an amazing acapella singer started singing,

generally someone will be like, oh, shit, that's amazing. And that's, those types of things, those are the moments where you realize, like, oh, we're all in this, we're all in this together. You're not getting rid of people by, like, you're not going to become happier

because you're going to control the situation. Absolutely. Like, that's not really how it works. There's more power in being collaborative. And it doesn't mean you have to give up everything. I think people, they're too binary. They're like, if I give up here, now I've lost everything. It's not true.

It's like you become stronger when you become better at collaborating. Yeah, and you create alliances. Yeah. And that's cool. And you become better collaborating. Yeah. And you create alliances. Yeah. And that's cool. And you can have rivalry. I mean, rivalries, I think, are fun if they're not violent. It's like I think that rivalries are like, you know, I hate that douchebag or whatever. I love like I always practice like fake negative, like fake negative stuff where we're just like, yeah, that, that guy's just such a, such a dick or whatever.

And just like, yeah. And everyone's like, yeah, he's such a dick. I mean, look at the way you just helped that guy or whatever. And I love,

I love it because it's like, well, you can kind of exercise a little bit of the real thing, but it's not real, you know? Right. So it lets off steam. Yeah.

Um, and I mean, you know about this. Comedians do it all the time to each other. Oh yeah. Yeah. All the time. Razzing,

whatever. God, it's so much fun to do that with comedians. And it's such a bummer when you try that on regular people oh no they do not get it you're like right and they're like and you're like okay yeah it's like especially through text messages like some of my comedian friends it's i love the ridiculous text messages we'll text message each other the most horrific shit, the most ridiculous shit, back and forth to each other, just so cutting to each other and just laughing. Everyone's laughing and it's fun.

I know. It's fun. You're sparring. I know you're sparring and that's what the thing, I mean, it's like, you know. And it's in love. It's a fun. Totally.

Yeah, like the reason why they can say those things to you is because you know they love you and you love them. A hundred percent. And it's funny. And it's funny and it's the best. I mean, I don't know. That's my thing. Also, you know, I'm an artist.

So for me, when I see art, it's like we're all intersected by art. Art is a great unifier because it just goes straight to the initial core of what being a human being is about, which is a curious, creative, problem-solving adventurer. That's generally what human beings are. They're like, what's over there? How does that work? Ooh, I bet you I could make this. Hey, what are you working on?

Can I help you? Whatever. Can you help me? Whatever. I think it's that. But then again, when people are in survival mode, all the bad shit happens. And then you get people taking advantage of people in those bad situations. And then they're harnessing they're

Extending their disappointment with life in themselves onto those people and then they start motivating and just guys guys guys Well, I think human beings have a certain amount of conflict and problem-solving that they have to address on a daily basis In order to be balanced certainly and I think the more you can do that with yourself, the better off you are with other people. By controlled adversity, doing things that are difficult is the most important. For me, if I don't work out a couple of days in a row, I'm a different person.

And I know that seems like, well, you got a problem. Yeah, I do have a problem. Most of it's genetic, I'm pretty sure. But my problem has a very simple solution that I've been practicing for decades. And I understand it. And I know how to mitigate that problem. And when I do, I am a much better person. And so I do that. But when I don't do that for a few days, I feel like a lot of people feel all the time.

And just a touch of it, just a touch of it. I don't have decades of it compiled with alcoholism and fucking drug abuse and problems and stress and lack of sleep and poor diet and all these other contributing factors that make you a fucking maniac. Yep. And environment. You know, so just I just have a touch of it after a couple of days. I'm like, oh, I feel fucking irritable.. You know like this is not this is not a good way This is the opposite of ketamine This is not a good way to interface with people if I'm tense and worked up

And I run into someone and they're taking too long to talk you know they're just blobbing and blah okay get to the fucking point Yeah, come on man, but I'll say it that way come on man get to the point point. Come on, man. But I'll say it that way. Come on, man, get to the point. And then that person's like, hey, you're a fucking brood. That guy's rude. Oh, you're giving me a fucking ear beating. Like, oh my God, he's hostile. Like, I'm sorry I'm tense. But if I was high and worked out,

I'd be like, I see where you're coming from. I'd maybe joke around a little bit. Like, does this story have an end? Yeah, right. Like with a smile. Right. Does it just make fun of the situation. Like,

I see what you're saying, but God, we're running out of time here. I gotta get out of here. I do the thing where I like rapidly basically describe what they're,

like getting to the point at what someone's describing like very rapidly and then like going like, is that what you mean? And they'll be like, oh yeah, and okay,

now let's move to the next thing. But then they want to keep going and expand on it so it's their own. That's true. There's also a problem that some people just suck at talking. Of course. Some people are just not very good at it and they're practicing on you. Like they're practicing.

That's true. Yeah, that's very frustrating. People talking at you. Man, I'm telling you, man. It's like, it's interesting. When I have friends that are like high visibility friends or, you know, people that are in the spotlight and I see how they interact with people, you know, and they might not even be friends. And maybe I'm at a gathering or something like the Emmys party or something like that. And I love like watching all the social interactions and seeing how they how they do it.

Like the other night I met I was at Sarah Silverman's rooftop party and it was like all these amazing people were up there. It was really cool to see everybody. We hadn't seen each other in a long time. All the people I grew up with doing comedy in 2003 in a little tiny club in New York, whatever. It's like, look at us now. You know, it's like, this is cool. We did good. Or good-ish.

And anyways, Owen Wilson was up there. And I noticed a strategy that he used, which I thought was kind of interesting, which was he was leaving and he had kind of met me before, but I don't think he recognized who I was. I didn't think he knew who I was, but he had like this way of like, I'm accepting positive energy. I'm reflecting it immediately, but I also have the momentum of I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yes. And I loved seeing that. I was like, I've I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yes. And, and, and I loved seeing that. I was like, I've done that. I know what it is. And, um, and you know, I don't know. It's like you deal with a lot of people. You kind of have to either. You're just like, I don't know. I'm terrible with people. I'm, I'm, I'm not going to these things where I'm out

or I, at this point, any, the way anybody behaves towards me, I'm not really shocked. I've seen almost everything. I've seen short shocked. I've seen almost everything. I've seen shortness. I've seen people that other people think are rude, but they might be on the spectrum. And they don't know how to, they just jump into something as though you've been talking for like hours and assume that you know what they're talking about. In those cases, I've developed a lot of patience for that. So I try, and when i'm with my friends i'm like i'm like they're like whoa you were really patient with that person i was like it's the only

way i can do it it's it's because i have to give people a little bit of time i don't want them to take advantage of me but i gotta give them at least a little bit of time to hear what they're talking about because fuck man the worst thing my worst nightmare is like the more successful I get, the more detached I become from the general human populace. I can't, I can't do it. Most of the places I hang out with, I had a friend who gave me a compliment once they were like, you're like, you're like a famous person that doesn't live their life like a famous person. And I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to fucking do that shit. I'm going to the DIY spaces. I'm helping someone with their flat tire. You know, whatever.

It's like nothing changed. I just have some more resources so I can do some different things or I have access to a great podcast like this or get to hang out with really cool people. But in general, I just like being a person and hopefully by me being patient, people observing that they're like,

oh, maybe I can incorporate a little bit. The problem is you do open up the door for grifters. Like there's a lot of people that have gotten my phone number. I should have gotten my phone number. Oh really? I get texts. You mean like, Oh,

get things from me and trying to get me to do things for the, of course, of course, get people to do this and that. And can you connect me with this person? You know, you block them, whatever.

You don't block them. You don't block them. No, you just let you change my phone number. Oh really? I have a new one. I have to give it to you. Oh, them. Whatever. You don't respond. No, I don't block them. You don't block them? No. You just let them? I changed my phone number. Oh, really? I have a new one. I have to give it to you.

Oh, okay. Good. Good to know. Here's an interesting thing. I have not changed my number since 1998 when I first got singular. Oh, my God. I signed up on singular. But I will say this.

I think some of my friends who have to change their numbers, I mean, you're dealing with stuff like the crowds that you're dealing with, like fighting, you're interviewing a lot of people that have all kinds of crazy different perspectives. So the interest is high, and so people want to have access to that. For me, it's like I'm a silly guy. You're just a cool guy. I'm just a silly guy doing things. You can't give them anything.

Yeah, it's like I don't really, what are they going to ask me? Like, hey, can you do my show? Right. Well, that's, it gets to the point where like, like if you're a hot woman and a guy's being nice to you, you don't,

you don't think, oh, this guy's just being nice to me. I know. This guy wants to have sex with me. Right. So that's always on the table. And so when someone's being nice to me, I have to always go,

are you trying to get something or are you just nice? Yes. And then it's always like, Are you good at knowing? Hey hey i have this business that i'd really like to talk to you about like yeah fuck uh there it goes i know i know i know i mean it's that way for me but it's mostly about like a show like it's always like can you do my show right or can you do a voice on my animation thing well some of that's cool no Some of that's fun. It's super cool, but I'm prepared for it, but it's less stakes than what

you're talking about. At a certain level, it gets super weird. I have friends that are really... Post Malone is really famous. He changes his number all the time. He just has to. He just has to fucking vanish. I get it. I get it.

Everybody's trying to do something with that guy. Everyone's pulling at you. Everybody wants it. I mean, everybody's trying to do something with that guy. It's just like everyone's pulling at you. Everybody wants something. And they look at you as not just a human being, but as a potential for them to step higher. Dollar signs. Yeah. Yeah. Dollar signs.

And also social success. Yeah. You can be seen, you know, with that person. If you travel with that person, you do things with that person you do things with that person it elevates your social status oh 100 you know if you're homies with post malone and you walk into a club like you're the fucking man yeah totally you were with post malone yeah i'm always like when i'm with friends like on that level i i'm a little bit i'm so sensitive to that dynamic that i i kind of like go yeah i make myself so small. And it's like, there's a point of it where now my psychologist is like, you got, or my psychiatrist, or psychologist,

she's like, it's okay to be a little bit, you can own some of your achievements, but you don't have to be, because I'm like, well, if I do that, then I'll be an asshole. It's like, no, that's not true. You can still be who you are. Yeah, some of your achievements are real.

It's like if someone wants to talk to you about music and they're saying a bunch of nonsense, you're like, hey, I'm actually a musician. I know, I know, I know. I do love it. I'm just like, cool, right. No, I cool. You know what? What I do is I add information to kind of fill out their picture and then they'll sometimes be like, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, that.

And I'm like, well, at least I'll teach you something without saying like, let me teach you something. The only place I have no room for that is things that are just rock solid and concrete. Like where there's no debate about these things. You mean like the earth is round? Those kind of things. Those kind of things. And in martial arts too.

I get in martial arts conversations with people that have some ridiculous ideas and I have to say, stop. Stop. Stop. This is. Of course. You're dealing with a very complex thing and you have very limited knowledge. Yeah. You're talking to an actual expert.

I don't like that. I don't like these conversations. I don't like. If you come into it with humility, but if you come into it telling me that you have this fucking thing that you figured out that no one else has figured out, I'm like.

Yeah. It's delusional vibes. And that sucks. Have you ever been asked to help with fight choreography and things like for films and things like that? No.

No, I've been asked to do them. Yeah. But I don't want to. Not interested. I don't like acting. Oh, okay. I don't enjoy it. But even like coaching like a scene to make it look more realistic no no there's guys

that do that are excellent i'm not needed you know it's like yeah you know someone's not a comic teaching people comedy it's a very specific skill to make it look good on camera that's true it's different than actual yeah it's angles and like there's certain things like contact like there's certain things you actually have to make contact with a person in order for it to be realistic. So you have to be really good at that. True. And you have to be good at pulling shots. Oh, yeah.

God, that's, I could not imagine. Yeah. Yeah, you have to hit people and not hurt them. And that's a real issue with, like, there was always stories about certain action stars that would do fight scenes and hurt the stunt people on purpose and stunt guys would be fucking furious oh my god because this guy would actually hit them on purpose and you knew he was doing it and it did make the scenes look realistic but that was not what they had prepared right you know it's all about it because this is like someone's getting free shots on you yeah oh by Oh, by the way, I wrote a book. Oh.

What's your book about? Sorry to jump into that. I was like, I should slip that in a little bit. It is about fight choreography, and that's why I was... It took a long time, but I was steering us in that direction. No, it's just called Great Falls, Montana.

It's an autobiography about me growing up. Oh, nice. How long did it take to write that? Was that a pandemic project? It was a pandemic project, yeah. Nice. A year and a half. A year and almost two years.

Oh, there it is. There she is. Look at that. Out of control. Fro, son. Oh, no. Oh, no. Fast Times Post-Punk Weirdos.

A Tale of Coming Home Again. Reggie Watts. Nice. Did you do an audio for it? I did, yeah. I kind of didn't want to. You have to. I was so lazy.

Oh, come on. But I know. I know. I wanted Fred Armisen to do it. No. I know. I know. I did. Yeah. I kind of didn't want to. You have to. I was so lazy. Oh, come on. But I know, I know. I wanted Fred Armisen to do it. No. I know, I know, I know. You have a very distinct voice. That's true. If someone's reading your life story with a different voice, that would suck. I thought it would just be like weird.

But yes, you're right. You're right. It'll be weird, but it wouldn't be good weird. People are like disappointed. People are like disappointed. Good weird. It's like, no, but guys, isn't it funny? They're like, no, I want to hear you. I had Pee Wee Herman do my voice. It's like, what? Oh, it's like, no, it's like, disappointed. Good weird. It's like, no, but guys, isn't it funny? They're like, no, I want to hear you.

I had Pee Wee Herman do my voice. It's like, what? Oh, it's like, no, it's like, we just wanted to hear you. Yeah. No, but it's just like, I don't know. I mean, I wanted to do, I wasn't interested in ever making a book, but then I was like, an autobiography, that sounds a little bit easier because then I'm just telling stories. Yeah.

And it's about my high school times, which, as you know, the 80s were a crazy time, and we did crazy stuff. I don't know. It was fun to just show, like, this is how I am today. This is why. I love a good autobiography. Yeah. I mean, I hope it's good. A good, interesting, honest one.

It's fascinating to listen to how people grew up and what they think and how they developed their thought process. Yeah, because it's like, I don't know, for me, it's, I mean, if you think about like all the components, it's like, well, okay, I've got white French mother from France, you know, African American father from Cleveland, Ohio. in ohio and you know they meet in europe they you know we move around europe and then i grow up in great falls montana as this biracial weirdo kind of strange kid you know compared to the rest of populace and then just navigating that but then also getting the fortune of it being in the 80s it's uh i don't know it's like i think like a lot of people some people have read some friends have read it and they're like um like like Anson Mount is reading it right now, and like Anson seems like he's the captain of the Enterprise. Which Enterprise?

The new one. I don't even know that exists. It's, sorry, Strange New Worlds. Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Oh, you're a Trekkie. I'm a science fiction lover. I do love Star Trek because I watched it with my dad. I love it.

I love it. But I love all. I love it all. But yes, I just, the new ones really got me because it does capture the spirit of the old because it's just before the original series. Oh, before. Yeah, before. So it's Captain Pike.

So that's Anson right there. And this is on what? How do you consume this? Paramount Plus? I think it's Captain Pike. So that's Anson right there. And this is on what? How do you consume this? Paramount Plus? I think it's Paramount Plus. It's good? To me, I was worried about it, because Voyager's like... He's got great hair.

Anson's awesome. Look at his hair. Anson's like... He plays the part in this really great way. He's like the guy that you would want to tell all your problems to on the show. And he's a great actor, and he's like the guy that you would want to tell all your problems to, you know, on the show. And he's a great actor and he's always been really cool with me, but, um,

he's done a lot of stuff, but this was the, this is the one. Finally, this is a role that like, do they have the internet on the new Star Trek shows? you, Oh,

is there, is there an internet? What do you mean? Yeah. Do they have internet? I can, they Google things. I think they,

of course they have the ship's computer, right? It's like artificial intelligence. I don't know. They never actually, actually never hear about that. Well, maybe you do hear about that, but on this show, no, it's just like, you know. Can they send emails? I think it's, I think it's, no, because they're just like communicating.

Isn't it funny that they never even thought of a phone that would work from space? They thought of it as a walkie talkie. Kirk out. Remember that? I know. Like you had to talk and then you had to wait for the other person to talk. I know. Like a walkie talkieie. Kirk out. Remember that? I know. Like, like you had to talk and then you had to wait for the other person to talk.

I know. Like a walkie-talkie. It's like, hello, over. Hello, over. But I mean,

it's like, what, it came up in the 60s or whatever. But the new one, actually, there's a joke about it because a guy from the future

comes into them and he's from the Federation so he's got the thing that you just hit the badge and they're like, we've analyzed it and apparently it's a communicator and then Anson's character is just like, yeah, but flipping open the thing.

That's, that's the funnest part. That's the best part. And I was like, imagine talking on a walkie talkie to your friend when she's not on ketamine. Oh my God. With the rambling. Oh my God. Well, you'd have to. Over never comes.

There's just over with never. Are you kidding? You'd miss like, I don't know how much you'd have to over never comes there's just over with never are you kidding you'd miss like i don't know how much you'd miss you'd miss a lot and if you had to tell her something like really important there's a monster headed your way like you wouldn't be able to get to it because you'd be like today was like okay i feel i don't maybe what's- I'm not sure if There's a monster in your neighborhood It's like no, there's a thing you've got to get out of there and they're just like yeah, but all of reality is made of Particles so those particles are the essence of perception. I mean I've done some functional things on K before, which were pretty surprising. Functional things?

Well, things that you're supposed to be functional for. Like what? I think the first time I did a lozenge, it was a 200 milligram lozenge because I have a prescription for it. What is the prescription for? What does the doctor say when they write that prescription? He likes to get high. It's like he really is into – he's a psychonaut. I don't know.

No, I mean it's kind of like it's for therapeutic reasons. But you can like – it's a friend of a friend. So I was like, well, let me experience this because I want to know what this, what is this like? But I took it and I did a live stream and it was during the pandemic. And I didn't know how high I was going to get, but I just set up the equipment. I had to problem solve a bunch of stuff and I totally did it successfully. No one knew that I was high. And that's, that's my secret. I will say it's the one strength I have on psychedelics. I can always do an impression of a non high me unless I'd like, my eyes are crazy, but generally people are like,

I didn't know you were high. It's like, no, no, I was completely peaking on acid. And they're like, that's impossible. I'm like, no, no it's like it's something i actually like to practice because it's it's fun practice normalcy yeah like i'll do like oftentimes with my friends are like we're like all really high on k or something like that guys i'm gonna do an impression this is my favorite thing i'm gonna do an impression of a normal person and so i'll like get up and go like oh man i forgot to do this thing oh shit um hey when you get a chance can you call so and so or whatever and then like go over and like wash my hands and like, you know, just do normal person stuff.

And there's something about like trying to find your center in the middle of a storm that I feel is kind of like, it's like strapping on weights on your ankle or wearing a weighted vest in training. It's like, it's a way of like kind of challenging yourself to the point at which you hopefully make a goal by like achieving something. Yeah. But I don't know if that's a little too weird.

Well, it's also you're comfortable with that state. You know, for someone who's never experienced that state before, it becomes overwhelming. And then you kind of like give in to the anxiety of the moment. And that's the thing about bad trips, right? A lot of it is people fighting it, struggling with the trip, not wanting to accept it, not wanting to let go and give in. Totally. It's a big factor.

Totally. I mean, I get it, and that's why generally it's hard for me to find people that are just down. If I'm like, hey, do you want to do – whenever I see ketamine, it feels like I'm saying the heaviest thing in the world because either people are like, it if I'm like, hey, do you want to do, whenever I see ketamine, it feels like it's, I'm saying like the heaviest thing in the world. Because either people are like, it's horse tranquilizers, it's K-hole, which is thought of as negative. Or they're thinking of like party vibes. Like we're just like doing bumps and you're like, oh, I'm dancing.

Here's a bump and bump. It's like generally when I do K, I fucking do K. Like I want to be in there. I want to like get in there. And so when people come around or like, that's all I know about it. I'm like, you know what? Come over to my house. fucking fucking duke a like i want to i want to be in there i want to like get in there and so when people come around or like that's all i know about it i'm like you know what come over to my house i don't know people have come i should be a coach or something people come over to my house all the time they're like i don't know man uh i don't know i'm like trust me i'm really good at

dosing that's always my my line but it's true people will be like oh it was just like you said that was great i was like i guarantee you'll ask me for another bump. And they'll be like, no, there's no way. And then like, oh, can I have another bump? I was like, I told you. It's a great, it's all about set and setting, and I like to have fun. But anyways. Someone went into a K-hole at my club the other night. No. Yeah, some lady was

No. In the audience? Yeah, her boyfriend was like, oh, he's doing ketamine. Yeah, they had to get her assistance. The good thing is it's over in 20 minutes.'s a lot of that out here a lot of people are doing the nasal spray that's what i heard the nasal spray thing yeah i i uh recreationally and i heard it was like kind of uh your engineer was saying that it was like a kind of a um tech bro thing which i'm like well i would call jamie a producer rather than an engineer okay i apologize i was deeply an, but I produce now.

Okay, okay, gotcha. Got you, gotcha. Yeah, it's a tricky one, K, because just the connotations, the negative connotations. Yeah, and also where people do it. It's like, don't do it at a comedy club. Like, why would you? Or don't do that much.

The thing about those nasal sprays is no one can stomp you from just fucking keep hammering that thing. It's too convenient. Next thing you know, your hand has a metallic claw and you're in another dimension. You're pumping it. Oh, my God. Man, the safety. There's nothing that feels more unsafe than when you're really high on K and you're in an extremely public place.

It's quite the challenge. I usually, I just tell people, I just tell them just so they know they're like, Hey man. I'm like, I'm really high right now on K. And usually people are like,

Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. I've never done it like that. I've only tried it a little bit. Yeah. I've tried the therapeutic dose.

Oh, okay. I was like, Oh, that's kind of interesting yeah but too many people i know are too into it i'm like that just seems fraught with peril yeah there's definitely addiction problems i tend to not have issues with that i'm saying that i have food i'm addicted to food but i'm not like if like if i go on a tour and I don't have access to anything that I normally have

access because I don't drink I just basically do you know these feel-frees and like uh weed is definitely my constant you know especially edibles and and then k that's kind of it at this point in my life but if I go on tour and I don't have access to any of that I don't really notice right could be weeks and I'm like oh that's fortunate yeah i feel very that means you're not using it to cover something up probably yeah well you're not using it to hide no you're using it to experience yeah i want to i want to explore yeah and there's nothing i've had like the i've had crazy shit happen where i was at a cool party and uh this person had converted a room to make it look like the rainforest,

like a Brazilian rainforest. And it had like Dolby 5.1 storm sounds and associated lighting. The lighting would change and stuff like that. And so in this dope room and there's like people on all kinds of things, but I was like really high. I took a, I had a couple bumps and then I had a 200 milligram lozenge and I was with a friend of mine, Mason.

And we just, I sat cross-legged and I put my hands like this and I just, I became a statue. I just froze. When you're saying bumps, are you saying you're sniffing it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sniffing it. Yeah. So, yeah.

So like, just like, you know, a couple, you know, three bumps or whatever, you know, whatever Coke, the Coke variant, if you know Coke, what a bump is, it's about the same for ketamine. But I had one of those and we had the lozenge kicked in and we went deep into a k-hole interesting thing was there was a guy he's probably like 20 feet away there's people talking all over the place storm systems all this stuff i hear this little voice like through the storm and like in the distance going like hey if anybody's out there, um, I'm just, I'm having a crazy trip right now. And I responded, I'm pretty sure this is real. I responded in the quietest voice. I was like, no, I can totally hear you. What's what's going

on. We started having a conversation back and forth and Mason can attest to it. Cause he heard me talking. He's like, who are you talking to? I was like, I was talking to that guy over there and it was a real conversation. I was like, I was talking to that guy over there. And it was a real conversation. I was like, how is this possible? How can I be having this super quiet conversation? It's almost like quantum tunneling or something like that with this person. And that's happened more than once. And where it's almost, I don't want to say telepathy.

It's not telepathy. But I think that it is possible. I mean there they are producing sound but maybe the brain is able to Completely like noise cancelling just take out all of the noise and focus on that voice I've had weird telepathic stuff on it That's why I'm interested in like doing more research in different states and seeing what results you know when they first discovered Harmeen they They try to call it telepathy. Really?

Yeah. What is that? Well, harming is a MOA inhibitor that's a part of ayahuasca and many other. There was one that we talked about yesterday that Brian Murarrescu brought up that was, it was a harming, what was it with, Jamie? It was a lotus flower, right? That's what it was a harming what was it with jamie it was a lotus flower right that's what it was right that the ancient egyptians used um it's an mao inhibitor so it um it stops monoamine

oxidase uh in the gut and that's what makes uh dimethyltryptamine orally active. Oh, right. And so, harming, so when they first experienced these altered states, they were trying to isolate the compounds that were responsible for it. And one of them, they decided, was causing

these telepathic experiences. And so, they tried to call it telepathine. Wow. But because of scientific nomenclature, that had already been, it had already been

discovered as harming. So been it had already been discovered as harming so they'd already been labeled as harming so they kept it as harming but for a while they were calling it telepathy because the people that were experiencing that were having these communications without words and they were experiencing things you in unison together they were experiencing these visions that they felt like they were communicating with each other through this vision without, without talking. I mean, I, I completely believe it. I mean, I've, I've just, I've had too many incredible experiences on those types of, especially dissociatives. Um, I mean, this is a different

substance that we're talking about, but I've had experiences where you're i don't know what it is like i've done crazy stuff where i don't have the greatest knees and and so i'm always you know trying i'm careful of it i'm on ketamine and suddenly i'm like on the ground doing that duck walk or whatever no problem you don't you don't have the greatest knees in what way um just not hot no um they're uh i like hot knees good. That's sexy. They're not six, you know, maybe get them tattooed. Yeah, that's true I'll just get the I'll get a huge band around each one. No, it's just on each one of them or something I have low cartilage on the back of each kneecap So from so there's rub it's just I think it's just genetic like it just a genetic thing that happened I also I'm knock need so I was i was born with like not the greatest

like knees and the knock feed is how does that work so knock need you know it's like you're kind of uh your knees go in yeah it's like uh you know there's a physical therapist that can correct that with exercises yeah well the the shape of the i mean that really the best thing for it if i was a kid and maybe now too, is riding horses. Riding horses? Interesting. Well, you know how they always say cowboys are bow-legged? It's because they're always in the stirrups and they're around.

Yeah, and so it makes their legs go out. So when I was a kid, they were like, if you ride horses, you can correct your knock-kneedness. Could you correct your knock-kneedness with a machine? Like one of those abductor machines? I tried that for a while. I don't think it's strong. It's like no matter how strong your muscles get, like that's such a structural thing to actually change. You should talk to somebody that's an expert in that.

I would. There's some people that have said that like pigeon toed people, that you can unlearn that. For sure. Pigeon toed is like, that's a little bit more correctable i for sure because that's that's orientation that's like a conscious orientation strengthening the right muscles i think with the knee i don't know the knees just feel more like it's like a joint it's like if you had a joint and you bent it it's like the joint's bent but now you got to bend it back right but what are you doing to fix that is what i'm asking i'm just just complaining. No, not a lot other than

trying to make sure that my feet are in line. Oh, I'm doing a lot of Asian squats. Asian squats. Or like a deep squat, like when you sit really deep in a squat. So I'll do that for about two minutes and I do it randomly. I'll be at a grocery store waiting in line and I'll just like get down and that helps my knees. It feels pretty good. It feels

like it's kind of aligning something the more I do that. But, um, you should probably do Hindu squats. Hindu squats are a great way to develop your leg muscles and strengthen your knees. It's a squat where when you go, it's an air squat. You just do it with your body weight. And when you go down, you put your hands behind you and you raise your heels up off the ground. You touch your fingertips to the ground. And then as you go up, your feet go down and you raise your arms in front of you.

And so you breathe in like this, like that. I do those. Oh. See those? Oh, that's sick those are phenomenal wow i do 100 of those every day wow now now that's something i'm gonna do because like as i grow older um my whole thing is mobility and strength and um and so yeah i mean i do those and i also like to do it on a slant board. A slant board is nice, too. So which direction? It forces your heels up at a 45-degree angle.

And then because of that, it really strengthens the muscles that are supportive muscles of your knee. Yeah. And it's a really good exercise for knee strengthening. I do a lot of knee strengthening stuff. Yeah. And it's a really good exercise for knee strengthening. That's, that's, that's what I mean. I do a lot of knee strengthening stuff. A lot of it. I do it every day because I've had three knee surgeries and done martial arts since I was a little kid. So I have a bunch of knee issues.

I got you. Yeah. I, I, I'm, yeah, I will try any of that. Yeah. You have to do something. I can help you. I would love that. Yeah.

There's a, there's a great guy out there. So he's got an Instagram page called Knees Over Toes Guy. And he takes people from step one, like with very little knee stability and strength. And he's got a multi-stage program where you slowly keep adding more exercises, adding more resistance, and strengthen the structure around your knee. and strengthen the structure around your knee. Because a lot of the problems that people have is the knee is not supported well by the musculature, by your tendons and ligaments and muscles. It's not supported well.

It's not strong enough. So it's unstable. And so it twists and moves. And there's a lot of injuries that people have specifically because of that. I've made my knees much stronger since I've started this program. Man, I gotta do that. That's like the one, probably much stronger since I've started this program. Man, I got to do that.

That's like the one, probably the area that I think about the most. Like I don't have a flexibility. I have pretty good flexibility. Like all this stuff is good in like mobility. I can still have a lot of mobility. I just, my knees have always been the thing. But the last time, really why I stopped working out, I was doing, I was training all the time. Yeah, you were getting jacked. I was getting pretty jacked. I need to get re-jacked. But I was doing a leg press, and I think my feet were a little bit too low on the plate, so I put too much pressure on my right knee.

And just something, it wasn't like a major, or anything like that, just it didn't quite feel right after a certain press i would not recommend leg presses yeah like what like i mean if you're a bodybuilder and leg extensions those are bad too well they're not necessarily bad yeah but it's just like what there's ways to strengthen your knees that aren't so problematic and you know i don't lift heavy weights i don't nothing i lift high reps yeah I don't, nothing I lift is high reps. Yeah. Well, the heaviest weight I lift is 70 pounds. Okay. It's kettlebells. Oh yeah. 70 pound kettlebells. The heaviest thing I pick up other than my own body weight, but the vast majority of the stuff that I do is body weight and you can do some pretty extensive, you do a lot and you can really

strengthen your legs with body weight exercises. But I also do lunges with dumbbells and things like that. I do a lot of different things. But leg presses, there's so many videos of people hyperextending their leg the wrong way with their ego lifting. And they have like a giant stack. And then they lock their legs out and it pops back that way. And they're screaming in agony. And their knee is destroyed. I've seen so many of those online.

That's something about my Instagram search algorithms. Horrific. It just keeps reminding you. It's like, remember this. I've seen so many of those gym fail things where people are squatting too much and their legs explode. I can't do that. You're not trying to be a bodybuilder,

so get off those things. Yeah. I mean, for me, it's like at this point, I wanted to get jacked specifically for a thing i was doing but like now i'm more about i just want to become like mobile and strong and and that's it that's all my and however that looks that's that's how it looks that's all i do i don't do anything for aesthetics not one single thing so it's all functional all of it's functional and of it is, it's either bodyweight exercises like chin-ups, dips, push-ups, bodyweight squats, pull-ups. It's either those things or it's kettlebells.

So all those things, they make you use your body as one thing. You know, your body has to, it's not an isolation exercise, which is, I just don't think that, that's not, it's not an isolation exercise which is I just don't think that's not it's not for me I want something that helps my body do martial arts better helps my body function better I don't fuck around with any I mean I'm not like

shitting on them if you want to get bigger and you want to look like a bodybuilder yeah there's a real clear way to do it those guys do it but that's not what I'm interested in yeah no I get that that's well yeah it's my next phase i'm kind of moving into that because like last year my mother died and like all the you know post pandemic like i just i had a lot of stuff and it's like and that injury happened i was like oh man and so i got kind of you know just pudgy and now i feel like probably the weakest I've felt in a long time. Did you have a trainer before?

I did, but it was so expensive. And now that I'm done with the Late Late Show, I have to watch my money a little bit until the next thing comes along. But, like, I mean, I'm doing fine, but I do have to. But that's actually, I don't know, it'd almost be worth going bankrupt for that. Because it's like I'd rather be happy. I want my health you know my health is the important thing for me in my life and i started working these these guys called they call uh bio coach i don't know if you've heard of those guys no bio coach so they deal

with like metabolic health and so i was working with them they've given me a free couple free months about it but the biggest thing really is about you know i get like one of these cgms continuous glucose monitor things and keep my glucose levels in a certain level and that's helped my energy a lot so i'm not doing any sugar and bread and stuff oh there you go and that's step one for everybody huge and my inflammation my knees have gone down of course so those things cause inflammation i know it's it's crazy to me and i know that like some people like I gotta have my sugar and I have you know it's like but you don't you don't you don't and you can once in a while it's fine but like you know get the motor running I give myself a day maybe once a week or every two weeks where I just eat some bullshit yeah and I always go oh I know and it feels that was yeah yeah but I give myself that day if I feel home. Like, I like to do it, like, late night if I come home from the club. I see.

And it's, like, 1 o'clock in the morning. I'm hungry. I'm like, fuck it. Yeah. I'm going to work out in the morning. Yeah. Fuck around. I always feel like, ugh.

I know. But it never feels great. I give myself a little mouth pleasure. I mean, come on. I give myself a little fun. You got to do what you got to do when you got to. A little cake. A little cookie.

A little something. A little cookie. You know, it's now when I see, like, when you've been on that for a while when you haven't been you know basically keto but like um when you've been doing that a while now when i see a snack tray or like you know i'm backstage and there's all these chips and stuff like that i'm not even remotely interested in it that's great it's crazy that's also your gut biome your gut biome you know if you if you eat a lot of sugar oh man a lot of carbs like your body wants that like give me some of that i know yeah what's the paras it becomes a parasite it's a parasitic thinking and that's like what i noticed for me like when i'd be at home and now what i need to do is i

need to get out of my uh i should work out and then like i go on the phone and it's like oh it's too late to work out now because i got this thing so i guess i better just do it i'll work out. And then like I go on the phone and it's like, oh, it's too late to work out now because I got this thing. So I guess I better just do it. I'll work out later. It never happens. Yeah. But the one thing I will say that's really helped me is it's dancing. Well, that's working out.

That's that's that's my like because I love to dance. You know, dance dance revolution made a lot of people lose weight. That's right. Right. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people lost weight because it lot of people lost weight. Because it's a game. You're playing a fun game that you get addicted to that actually makes you move your body and burn a lot of calories. Man, I love it.

Because isolated workouts, it's cool. I can do treadmill. Treadmill, I can walk for an hour and just 10% incline, whatever, three miles per hour. I'll just watch stuff on YouTube, and I don't even notice and i feel great i feel so good and like walking a lot is great but my ultimate if i'm gonna do an isolated is uh hiking oh hiking's great steep grade hiking i don't know what happens to my brain but i'm just like like i'm just like i gotta gotta get up that hill it's natural something well it's natural for human beings it's a natural thing to do. Yeah.

And also you're outside and hopefully you have good scenery. It's nice. It fulfills you in all sorts of different ways. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, yeah, right now in my life I'm like, okay, post Late Late Show, what do I got going on? I got this book. I got, you know, some other things in the works and some of the things I'm pitching.

But mostly I'm just about, I want to do the stuff that I want to do and feel good about it. Enjoy your life. I'm going to enjoy my life. I'm going to Berlin for a couple months just to go there and, like, produce music. And Porsche always hooks me up with a car when I'm there and drive the Autobahn. I just did my first track day. Did you? With, like, a real instructor.

Oh, sick. Isn't that fun? Oh, my God. It was amazing. What were you in? I was in my first track day Did you? With like a real instructor Oh sick Isn't that fun? Oh my god It was amazing What were you in? I was in my cars So I was in I took my

You just brought all of them? No I brought two of them Okay I brought my Ford GT Oh gosh And I brought my GT3 RS Whoa Yeah

You have a GT3 RS? Yeah I have a 2007 Oh okay Manual Oh my god Shark Works car Woo

It's so fast and so light Damn That one was hard to handle. That one, like, boy, you really feel the difference between. Even with all that downforce? Yeah. The rear, well, the 2007s don't have the same kind of downforce as the 2023. 2023 has this massive wing.

It's insane downforce, and it's an incredible car. I did drive a modern 2023 GT3 around the track as well that they had there. Oh, how was that? Much easier to handle than my car. My car is a wild bitch. It's so light and doesn't have any nanny stuff to it. There's no traction control, no nothing. It's a car.

So it's a full-on track car that you could drive in the street. It's really fun, but God, the Ford GT was magic. I have a 2005 Ford GT. Wow. And that thing is incredible. It just hugs the road. It wants you to bend into the corners. It's got massive tires and a giant engine right behind you that's supercharged.

Yeah. It sounds incredible. Low, wide. It feels low and wide. Yeah. Oh, my God. Man, I'm telling you. You know what the 2005s look like, right?

Yeah, I think so. When did the new GTs come out? Was it the first model years, 2003 or something? Well, the first one was the GT40. That was a car that they used. That's that movie, Ferrari versus Ford. Oh, right. And that one even had the bubble top, right?

When it went in the race for that guy's head or whatever. Something bubble. I'll send this to Jamie so you can see mine. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I want to see yours. race for that guy's head or whatever something bubble this to jamie so you can see mine yeah oh yeah i want to see yours it it's uh the one that i had they came out with it again in like the early 2000s i think 2004 or 5 and then there's a new one that they just came out with that's just all paddle shifts mine's a manual oh wow okay mine is still a manual but going around a track with an instructor you realize why a paddle

shifter is the way to go oh man in the on the street i really that's my car oh it's gorgeous man look at that fucking oh spiders nice that is a clean machine oh my god it's so low and so wide and it handles so well it's just like when you when you're going around the corner, it's like, it just like, it feels like this is what I want to do. Like, it tells you like, yes, this is what we like.

Plus it's got that 60s vibe to it that's like pretty sweet. It's such a good looking car. Oh my God. I am so stoked on like, because I have a, I have Porsche Taycan Turbo S and I have a,

That thing's amazing. That thing is, it's, it's, it's amazing. It's like, it's it's amazing it's like it's like i mean there's faster cars you got the plaid you got barely faster yeah if you find out that it's faster you're a fucking asshole i know like you have to be so crazy to take that tycan turbo s and and try to compare it i i just remember like going up the you know uh the uh angelus

national forest you know angel's crest so going up to the you know, the Angeles National Forest, you know, Angeles Crest. So going up to the Crest because there's that Friday meetup that happens. Was it Good Vibes Breakfast Club? Jay Ryan and his wife, they started it. But so we always meet up there every Friday morning. And that drive up there, especially if there's like no one ahead of you and you get those nice long stretches of curb. There was a motorcycle. We went up the back way.

Motorcycle was behind me and he thought he was just going to decimate me or whatever. And, uh, and he was, and I was like in front of him and then he was just gone. And he was like, I can't believe you,

you lost me. I've never been able to lose somebody. He was like on some super bike, like crazy. And he's a really experienced rider. He's like, you just disappeared. He He's like and you were staying between the yellow You were staying in your lane the whole time. Yeah, and I was like, yeah the Taycan I I've like I like cuz I have also a 911 Turbo S

2022 oh so I have both those damn the the Turbo S is a nasty monster and but it's more analog You know, it's got like a grips feels like a mountain goat. The Taycan is like it's, but it's more analog. You know, it's got like a, it grips, feels like a mountain goat. The Taycan is like, it's just like, it's a spaceship. Yeah. And it's all about weight management because it's so heavy. Well, also the weight is all in the bottom. That's where the batteries are. Yeah.

So the weight distribution is amazing. It's crazy. But it feels like a snowboard. I never snowboarded, but it feels like snowboarding, really, because it's like, I'm taking this corner, so it feels more like this, this, as opposed to a 911, it's more like, it's like magnetically held to the ground, and it feels like it's crouching

when it's going into a corner. And so it's a different experience. It's a little lighter. Rear steer is amazing, but the Taycan is just I am so I'm looking forward to You know a lighter type of they can make a Taycan. That's a third less weight I'd almost I'd take 80 miles of range to have a lighter Taycan well if they had a two-door if they come up with a two-door Taycan and make a size of a 911 the Caymans coming Electric Cayman real yeah

That's gonna be insane. Yeah, all right. It might it was that right? Yeah, the 7 god that's gonna be insane yeah yeah or uh am i is that right yeah the 718 that's cayman right yeah yeah so that's that's gonna come out either 2024 or 2025 but i also heard that the new macan electric which won't be called the macan electric i think they're just calling it the macan that everyone's saying like that's that's the joint i don't think it's going to perform as well as a lower car. Right. Well, the X is a pretty fucking amazing car. Yeah.

The Tesla X. Yeah. Jamie had one of those for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Really? That egg wagon is like a. Dude, that thing doesn't tip over.

Okay. That thing literally doesn't tip over. You get nailed. If somebody T-bones you, it doesn't tip over. Right. Because all the weight's at the bottom of the thing. It's just like, whoop, boom. Right.

It just, like, lands back on its side. Man. So all the weights at the bottom of the thing, it's just like, whoop, boom. Right. Always like lands back on its side. Man. So the handling of those things, because the weight is all in the bottom. Yeah. It's like almost, yeah, most of it. I mean, you know, but then it comes in, but then you get Porsche and then when you're in a Porsche. Look at this thing.

It always comes back. Boom. It's the shape of it. Oh, that's the moose, the moose test. What is that? That's not doing well. It's a Kia. Those things handle much.

I bet you, yeah. But it's funny. I've driven modern Teslas. I've driven an X, a Y, a 3 performance. But then you get into, like if you drive, say, an S, right? Not even the non-plad. Or even a plaid. You're driving it.

Whoa, this thing's fast. It's crazy, right? And you just not even the non-platte or even a platte. You're driving it. Whoa, this thing's fast. It's crazy, right? And you just jump immediately into a Taycan. The driving feel is night and day. It's insane how different it is. Well, the Taycan's a Porsche. Yeah, I know. Their ergonomics are impeccable.

The interior is perfect. It's just, it's like, and I love it. And they've been so good to me. They've been really cool. They've invited me to all kinds of stuff. They've like took me to Goodwood. I'm super appreciative of those guys. They're really cool.

They know how much passion I have about their cars and I'm so excited about their electric stuff. But I, and it's hard to go to another car. Like I was thinking about Lucid for a while. Is that, that, that new Sapphire that's coming out? That's like the fastest thing on the planet. Really? I haven't seen anything about that.

Haven't seen that? Oh my God. Lucid Sapphire, three motor, 1100 horsepower or 1100 something something. It's like this cheeky number. And it is 0 to 61.86 seconds.

Their claim, there it is. Their claim is that it's basically all the performance, it's 90% of the performance of a Rimac's Navara for a tenth of the price. Wow. Look at that thing. That looks amazing.

And that's all California made. California designed. California manufactured. Seats are great. Interior looks nice. Yeah. Oh, look at that. That screen in the middle folds up.

How reliable are these? I don't know. See, that's the thing about Tesla's very reliable very reliable, but this is an electric car So, you know you're talking about three electric motors Doug DeMuro and this this company lucid How long have they been around for they've been around for I'm gonna say like five or six years something like that It's the former one of the executives from Tesla. It's his company. Oh And and the people that did the handling

their their load x lotus engineers um it's it's insane yeah and uh my uh my friend johnny uh lieberman who's the one yeah i know that guy oh yeah so johnny um i kept going like but i don't know the tycon's coming out with a three motor Taycan You know it's soon or whatever. He's like the sapphire. I was like are you sure he's like no the sapphire is the one I'm like okay, okay, so I haven't driven that but I look sick I can't imagine like you know I see some more images of the outside of it Jeremy It's it's a sexy car man. I I I mean it used to be two-tone So the the upper part was like this silver then they created this stealth paint job which now it looks like a great car the before where

do you get one though do you have to get it online uh no they have dealership dealers fixes them they have they have they have dealers i don't you know it'd be interesting to hear the sapphire um like the the air 1200 horsepower yeah geez louise it's a it's a nasty piece of machinery it's it's really really dope it's a cool piece but i tried i i called them i had a meeting with them and i was like what do you think about doing like a pr you know thing where like i hand over my taikon which i'll say the Taycan's probably slightly better looking. I think that's a good looking car. But the Taycan is a little bit better looking.

Taycan's better looking. I have it in a coffee beige, which gets all the attention. Everyone's always like, oh my God, what's that color? What's that color? Let me see that. Pull up coffee beige Taycan Turbo S. Yeah. I want to see what that looks like.

That's my, I love that. That color, when i got it i was like i don't know i was going i want to go for chalk but then like coffee beige seemed warmer and um yeah it's coffee there we go yeah that's mine right there in the far the far left that's that's what it looks like oh that's nice that's a better looking car it's got like and it's got the 911 roofline although my chrome chrome, I don't have chrome. It's all blacked out. But, but I have those same wheels.

And then he doesn't have the carbon fiber or sorry, carbon fiber, carbon. That's right. There we go. That's a beautiful car. It's a better looking. And it's all 20. It's 20%.

I got 20 tenths on everything. Anyways, point is, I'm just excited. I think Porsche between their e-fuel that they're investing in, so you can keep running their cars at an ecological balance, because they're making this out of Chile. I don't know how much if they can scale it, but they are running e-fuel for the races, so like the Porsche Cups and stuff like that.

What is e-fuel? So e-fuel, it's a process that uses captured carbon with some kind of a chemical process that produces a combustible, yeah, combustible fuel, combustion fuel, I guess that's how you say it. And so you can just replace it. It's a direct. Any car can use it. It's just fuel.

But the way it's produced is zero, uses zero emissions. So it still combusts and i think it combusts at a lower there's less carbon that's created when it combusts and the process of making it is zero so it becomes a ecological fuel so they call it e-fuel and they of course they invested in that because they want to keep making combustion engines. Well, there's something about the sound of a combustion engine that's impossible to replicate. And when they try to do it, like fake it, it's so gross. I don't like the fake shit. I will say that the Taycan, their sport sound that comes on, it's like you can turn it on

or when you go into sport mode, it turns on. All it is is an amplified version. There are microphones that are picking up the sound of the motors as far as i understand it i could be wrong that but i think that's how it was explained to me and it just amplifies with some extra tonalities so it gives it a little bit of a like a it almost it almost sounds like uh gear shifts which is kind of weird but for me what it sounds like yeah if you have a taikon sound let's see wow that's gonna be that's it that's the sound here that low end that kicks in that sounds dope they tried to patent it's sick man that sounds sick i mean oh my god that's

amazing it makes me want to be in it right now but like that sounds fucking dope so it's just it's an augmented sound that the car actually makes the motors actually make that sound oh here's interior are they in poland dude that sounds dope and i like it because you feel that low end rumble as you're driving so it does give you it gives you information like when i'm driving i i feel i feel the car uh because otherwise if it's totally silent it's weird it doesn't feel right well it does sound weird when i drive my car my tesla s oh yeah you got a plaid because otherwise if it's totally silent, it's weird. It doesn't feel right. Well, it does sound weird when I drive my car, my Tesla S. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got a Plaid.

That's yours. No, that wasn't yours. That's Jamie's. Yeah, Jamie's. I have one of those. Yeah. It's silent. Yeah, which is like, it's all right, but I don't mind it. If the sound is just an augmentation of what the motors sound like,

then I'm into it, especially when you got a three motor three motor going on right and that sounds like a cool spaceship type electric car and then i'm like because i feel like i could confidently like i've when i drive an electric car i like both i mean the the the turbo s is amazing to drive even though i do feel a little bit bad so just like yeah it's producing carbon which is And I know that sports cars account for very, very little because it's a very, very small market. But I still kind of feel a little bit, eh. And then when I drive the Taycan, I'm just like, this thing is just, it's like I feel fully free in a way.

One of the things that Jeremy Clarkson pointed out when he did a review of the turbo is that the way the turbo filters the air, the air coming out of the exhaust is actually cleaner than the pollution air that's in that's in the air oh really yeah so you can find that the particular filters when you're in a polluted city like if you're in a place like los angeles like downtown la yeah the exhaust from a turbo yeah from a turbo pors Porsche is actually less pollution than the actual air. Yeah, I can believe that because everyone's complaining about the sound of it.

You can't rev it because the particulate filters are so strong because of the EU regulations. So people are like, oh, well, they have a rev limiter. It doesn't sound that good or whatever. But I don't really care about that. It's like once you start going. The performance is preposterous. I mean, that. it's electric car performance from a combustion exactly that's why i wanted the turbo s because i had the tycon i was like i want to know what the the turbo so in the video above jeremy clarkson hosts of the top gear says that porsche 911 turbo

cleans the air and polluted city less like like la while i have seen concept cars that clean there i seriously doubt that any existing car, especially the Porsche 911 Turbo, emits exhaust that is cleaner than air, even air in the most polluted cities. Here's exactly what Clarkson says. When you drive this car through a really polluted city, Los Angeles, Calcutta, Harrogate, wherever that is, something like that, the gas comes out of the exhaust pipe is less toxic than the air going into the engine. And I'm not joking. That's true.

This is like a small, efficient, easy-to-use vacuum cleaner. This is called the Porsche Dyson. So here's the question for Sunday afternoon. What do you think? Is he wrong? Does he have a test? Man. Well, you just made me feel a little bit better.

I don't know if that's true, though. Jeremy Clarkson has said multiple things that aren't true. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they famously rigged their Tesla episode. I heard about that. To show that the Tesla died on the track, and it didn't die on the track. I remember that. That was, I was like, why are you doing that?

Horrible. Just do the shit honestly. You're going to run into anomalies anyways. Like, why do you have to invent that shit? Well, because that's a reality show. It's gross. They have to create drama. Yeah, well.

Create problems. But to do that, you're like. It's gross. They have to create drama. Yeah. Well, create problems. But to do that, you're like tanking a business. Like you're, I mean, how many people saw that and wouldn't buy one of those cars because of that? Yeah. I know.

And I think Elon lost in court because I think part of the show is that it's entertainment. Oh, I see. They're allowed to fake things. I see. Which is kind of fucked. It's kind of fucked.

Well, you know what? It's like a freedom that should exist. However, to use it in that way is really poor taste. And I don't know. Maybe there's some kind of a consequence to it. I think there's a consequence certainly to that business. I mean, how many people saw that? And I bet that was a big hit on the business.

Yeah, I remember seeing that and I was like, oh, really? Okay. Well, I don't know. I mean, it's an electric car. They're kind of hard to fuck up. Yeah, I remember thinking, oh, well, it must be new tech. I'll wait a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going to wait a while to get it down. Because right now it's fucking up. But it wasn't fucking up. No, it wasn't. Yeah, I remember that was with the Plaid, right? No. Oh, that was just the- Early on.

Oh, it was the early, early Tesla. The one that looked like a Lotus. Oh, oh, you're talking about the very first one. Oh. See if we can find it. That was way back. Yeah, the Roadster. Yeah, the original Roadster.

I did not know that. Meanwhile, the new Roadster is just like vaporware. It's not going to happen. Where is that fucking thing? Everybody's killing it. I mean, the Aspark owl is like coming out and that's gonna blow that you don't think it's gonna happen I don't think so. Well, maybe but I just don't I don't know so that's I don't think the appetites there What I think I think Lotus I think I think Lotus and all the appetites there dude

If it comes out if they make the Tesla Roadster the way that Elon showed it when they did that demo, right? 1.7 seconds. 0 to 60 looks insane. I know, yeah. It looks fucking cool as shit. Two-seater. Yeah, but it's going to be the same price as a Porsche Cayman, electric Cayman. So it's like people are probably going to choose the Porsche.

We'll see. I'd choose the Porsche every day. I mean, the problem with Teslas, my problem with them is that they don't have buttons. Everything is touchscreen. I do not like that. I do not like that. That is one thing you would appreciate about the Lucid.

Because the Lucid, the cockpit, it's a good looking car. So you can still order that thing. Yeah, but I found it on their website somehow. Come on, that looks dope as fuck. I mean, no, it looks sick. It looks like a Ferrari. That looks dope. It looks like an electric Ferrari kind of smoothed over.

Well, it looks like a Tesla sports car is what it looks like. But there's no timeline for this thing. I think their roadmap is get out the truck first. So the Cybertruck is started to be delivered. And people are driving, apparently. A friend of mine saw one in LA. Wow. I do not like that truck.

Dude, have you seen it in real life? Yes. It's fucking sick. Really? I do not. I love it. I'd take in real life? Yes? It's fucking sick. I really I do not I don't know I like I take a Rivian over that any day no ribbons good-looking Sick so cute. It's a cutie. It's a cute. I like those glasses. You're wearing yeah. Yes I'm saying that's like what the Rivian's headlights look like they look stupid. Oh the Stadium headlight. Oh no, I don't like them. Yeah, I look good for you. Yeah, if I wore the cable

Be like Joe's trying too hard. How about the alpha wolf what's that uh that's a sick electric truck you're gonna like that way better than cyber truck cyber truck is not useful vehicle this this not useful i don't think so everyone's complaining about the bed they're saying the bed's not designed in a way that's actually useful the truck carrying shit in that bed that's what i'm saying but like truck people are like what the fuck is this for well let me see what check out the check out the alpha wolf you're gonna love this thing who makes this it's alpha a company called alpha yeah so this is electric yeah it's a monster it's like an electric pickup truck yeah whoa and they just came out with uh i think it's like a i don't know it's got like a look at that thing thing. Dude, that thing looks incredible.

Look at that smooth piece across the front. That thing looks incredible. That to me is like, when I saw that, I was like, that's a fucking truck. No, what's the range on this fucker? I don't know. Two-door truck, so it's a two-seater. I'm going to say it's probably going to be like 200 or something like that. So it's a two-seater.

It's like an old. Oh, 200, 250, 275 plus. That's what the American... That's not so bad. I mean, for an adventure truck, like if you want to go like an off-roading experience, that's fine.

No, it's not good because if you want to go somewhere... Well, yeah. Where are you going to go? Well, but, you know, I mean, the thing is like batteries are always going to improve.

But the fact that they're putting this out and like... I mean, look at that blue. Don't scroll so fast. That's so good. What's wrong with you when you're scrolling, man? don't scroll so fast that's so good what's wrong with you and you're scrolling man scrolling so fast such a fast scroller um yeah it looks sick

it's a it's it's it looks very cool it's just like a good looking truck and i like um they're coming out with one and then who's the other one that has that uh it's like 275 is not much much range though i mean it's as much range as my Taycan gets a lot so kind of like a median of performance vehicles that's about as much as you're gonna get right now with a battery tech that exists mmm but the Lucid doesn't the Lucid isn't it supposed to be more Lucid that just Lucid's 500 plus on some on some models yeah no Lucid on the Sapphire Sapphire is gonna be less performance the tires yeah yeah tires and the amount of energy it's got three On some models. Yeah, no, Lucid's... Is it on the Sapphire? The Sapphire's gonna be less.

Performance, tires. Yeah. Yeah, tires and the amount of energy. It's got three motors. What is the Sapphire's range? I'm gonna say it's 300 plus. We might have skipped past. Oh, my God.

Look at that. Whoa. They have something called the Nightwolf and the Superwolf. Whoa. Yeah, there's a new model. It's just... Superwolf. What's the Superwolf? That's their new shit.

There you go. Check that out. Oh, man. So it really is an adventure vehicle. Yeah. models are just super wolf what's the super that's their new shit there you go check that out man that so it really is an adventure vehicle yeah solar panels yeah it probably doesn't do much and you know it helped with like systems yeah you could like keep running camping shit and stuff like oh look at that doorless less weight they're like also this was a four door version of it so the super wolf is a four door yeah

oh it's like it's sick there's also a plus it might have more better they're one to they're one to watch for wolf plus

ooh also a four that looks sick it's got suicide doors in the back a tent ooh look a tent wow

connects to it that is so cool plus like with the solar you just run all your tent stuff You know whatever yeah, while you're while your way. I really 250 275 same range yeah 5.9 seconds 0 to 60 blah

Yeah, it's slow shit though. Yeah, but you know it's not everything it can't be perfect. Oh stop What do you a sales a goodperson? It's a good look. It's a good look. I like it. It's a good look. This one has a little bit more range. 300 plus. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And there's that other small electric truck. They just came out. I like the side flares. I mean, it's so cool. It just looks like a, it's just a great look. Yeah, it looks great. I mean, you get like more range on that. I mean, it's like over time,

there'll be new battery chemistry. I mean, look at more range on that. I mean, it's like over time, they'll be new to battery chemistry. Look at how clean that is. It looks like an old school. It's got that old school 80s truck look. 80s, 90s. Because I like trucks that look like trucks. That's sick. Those look like the truck Michael J. Fox wanted. Yeah, that's exactly right. If they ever redid

because you're going to need to, redo like Back to the Future, that's the truck that's going to show up. Now show me the Cybertruck. Casey Daylighters. I still prefer the Cybertruck. When I saw the Cybertruck in person, like that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. It looks like something that's in the future.

I mean, when it came out, I was like, oh, that's a cool, that's a bold design. But then like it didn't come out for a long, long, long, Well, it took a long time to make it. This looks like a 70s sci-fi truck. It's dope. I love it. Small.

I saw it in real life, and I was like, this is the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen. I think it's pretty dope. Fisker's coming out with good shit, too. But I'm trying to. There was another. Oh, here it is. This guy. Tilo.

I don't think you're going to like it. But it's definitely different looking. But it's a small truck. But it's got the same bed length as an average truck, but it's tiny. It's this little T-Lo thing. Oh, yeah, that's gross. T-E-L-O. That looks disgusting.

Look at that. Look at that. Now, that's what I would rock. It is tiny, man. Wow. And look at that approach angle. Nothing. Yeah.

You'd have to see how it handles and all that stuff but I saw something yesterday it wasn't a truck but it was like a recreated 67 Mustang

electric car oh yeah they're doing those now the electro restomod those are from scratch too

they're not using donor cars that's from scratch oh really yeah I think it's the one that you're talking about the Mustang

so they're recreating it looks like a Mustang but it isn't a Mustang I don't know if that's what you're talking about yeah the Mustang. So they're recreating. It looks like a Mustang, but it isn't a Mustang. I don't know if that's what you're talking about. Yeah, I didn't say Mustang. I just said 67. Yeah. Have you seen that company?

What is it called? Everati? Yes. Yeah, they're doing that with like Porsche 964s. Oh, my God. They're taking those and they're making them electric. They say that they're one for one, at least like steering handling and all that stuff feels pretty one for one. Well, it must be amazing just because of the batteries, the low center of gravity.

Check that out. It looks like a Mach 1 kind of. Wow. Technology company that creates brand new electric cars that look like Mustangs. Yeah. What do they call it? The cars are the company. Charge.

Charge cars. But they don't call it a Mustang? No, I don't think they legally can. Interesting. But it's clearly they ripped off the Mustang. They completely did. Wow. But, yeah, it's a think they legally can. But it's clearly they ripped off the Mustang. They completely did. Wow. But yeah, it's a from scratch bespoke.

But I mean, look at that shit. Interesting. I love that electrics are starting to look like engines now. Yeah, but I have to be honest. If I want a 67 Mustang, I want it to go boom. Of course. Boom. Of course.

Yeah, I don't want a silent 67 Mustang. It just feels goofy. How about that McMurtry Spearling? Remember that? They're making a road car. Does it have sound? Can you hear what this thing sounds like? Like I saw it on Instagram.

It looks pretty dope. It looks pretty dope. But a 67 Mustang looks dope. Of course. I get you. Yeah, well, you know, my thing is like if you can figure out a way to like you just take the engine out, right, transmission, all that stuff, and you just like save it, right, so you can swap it in and out as you want. Oh, God, you know, my thing is like if you can figure out a way to like you just take the engine out, right? Transmission, all that stuff. And you just like save it, right? So you can swap it in and out as you want.

Oh, God, you can't. You know, I mean, you can't. But I'm just saying like if you figured out a way to do it, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't matter. But have you seen the McMurtry Spearling? That thing that got the Goodwood record?

It's a vacuum car. It's a fan car. So it's it's I was there at Goodwood when it did its legendary run. I think it has, I think it's got the fastest record going up Goodwood. It sucks itself to the ground. It can make up, I think, 10 tons of downforce. And, uh, it's tiny. It looks like a tiny bat, batmobile. And it looks kind of funny because it's so fast. There it is. That's the Goodwood. I was right there. I was right there in the stat, right? That stand right there. So what is a vacuum car? Like how exactly does that work so whoa look at that thing it's so fast it does zero to 16 like 1.6 seconds or something like that and it's um it's just that thing when it look at this thing Oh my God. That looks fucking amazing. It broke every record.

And it got center driving position. I mean, it destroyed that run. I mean, it was coming so fast down the tunnel because Porsche's stand is like facing the launch tunnel. We were there and as it came up, it was coming up so fast, people were like, it's not going to make that turn. Go to the website for that, Jamie. They have a passenger car, or they have a road car coming out

using the same fan. So this is just for the track? This is a track monster. And how much does that thing cost? Not too bad. It's like one point something million. I mean, for a car that's that fast, I mean, come on. Oh my God.

A million a piece. There you go. A million dollars. Wow. And that, it's amazing. I got to see it up close. Stop. Scroll.

The Spielberg, how do you say it? Sperling? Sperling. Sperling. It's an Irish company. Emerged last year with a record-breaking run at Goodwill Hill Climb. It uses two rear-mounted fans to produce absurd amounts of downforce. The car is tiny,

shorter than a Chevrolet Spark, and weighs less than 2,205 pounds, yet the Spearling produces 999 horsepower. Holy fuck. Yeah. You talk about, like, this is just an Irish dude that made a lot of money. I forget, he's a billionaire. He made a lot of

millions, and he was just like, I want to make this car. And he just did it. Oh, my God. It's so good. What does that do on the Nurburgring? I mean, I wonder if they've done it yet. How have they not? You have to.

Because I rode with- Look how good that looks. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That looks so good. Isn't it good? That's the road car. That's gorgeous.

That's what they're- Yeah. When is that going to come out? I don't know i'm going to say like in the next two years you can achieve three g's well you know my gunther works can do three g's really yeah i mean that shit's that's a nasty car i want to say that's a full carbon fiber air-cooled 1995 porsche i want to see it. It's so fun. It's the rowdiest car. It's so rowdy.

I'm going to come out just to see that car. It's so fucking analog. It's so analog. I would have brought it today, but it's raining. Oh, yeah. Can replenish the battery in 20 minutes. Not too bad. What?

It doesn't say how long it goes, though. I can't imagine. 50 feet. Yeah, I mean, it's 100 miles. What's the battery pack? It's a 60 kilowatt and plus the weight i bet you anything you could get i mean with the road car you're probably gonna get like 200 over yeah i think because it's so light that's like the lightest sports car you know um looks incredible yeah mcmurtSpearling. I was fascinated with it, and I didn't even know it was going to be at Goodwood.

And when it came out, I was like, am I watching a cartoon? It made everyone was laughing because it looks like a cartoon when it's moving. Because you're like, it's coming at you, and it just goes, like a Tron car, like a fucking Tron car. Oh, that kind of downforce, the handling.

Insane. It's fucking incredible. You're not going anywhere. And it's got redundant systems. So like some people were like, what if the fans went out? But the two independent fan systems and there's these like redundant. So you get one and it still produces enough downforce. It wouldn't like let you go on a corner.

How do the fans work? How does that work? It's basically just like it's a vacuum cleaner. It just creates a vacuum under the car. So are the fans exposed in the the car. So are the fans Exposed in the rear like where are the fans? They're internal into the body and then there's these these ducts out the back where it channels And it just sucks you into the ground just sucks you into the ground. What a fucking car man. It's goddamn that was good I saw a car reviewer. He's like the tall dude, that British guy that does like all the car reviews.

I forget his name. But he got to do a zero to 60 run, just a straight line. He couldn't talk. And he wasn't joking. He couldn't talk after the run. He was crying. And he couldn't talk. And he was like, I need a moment.

Wow. Like that moment in Ford versus Ferrari, you know, where the guy's like, I need a moment. Wow. Like that moment in Ford versus Ferrari, you know, where the guy's like, I never knew. Where he takes the exec for that crazy run. And then he's like, he's crying. He's like, I never knew. It's like, I know that feeling. Because that's a real thing that happens. And people might think it's stupid.

It's a car, but it's like, it's a fucking human body. Well, that GT40 is even smaller than my Ford GT, the original GT40. Oh, right. It's a very small car. It's like it's a fucking human body. The GT40 is even smaller than my Ford GT, the original GT40. Oh, right. It's a very small car. It's very small. And now people are taking those and they're adding insane thousand horsepower engines to them. And they're doing these retro like resto mods on the Ford GT40. Some of them are incredible because it's such an analog car.

It's a real race car. It's got a plexiglass side window. It doesn't even roll down. I love that shit. I love that shit. I love it. I love life. I love engineering.

That's totally my thing. My thing is design, engineering. I went to Berlin, and the first thing I noticed was the lighting. All the streetlights are beautiful amber. All the interior lighting in most places is like, there's no, you know how you walk into like a convenience store here or whatever and it's just like fluorescent attack? It doesn't really exist. I mean, there are places, but like in general it doesn't. I was like, whoa, they actually, they care about this shit.

Like in general, it doesn't. I was like, whoa, they actually, they care about this shit. Like people are like, we don't like the harsh lights are too bright. It's not good for, you know, concentration, whatever. I love design. I like anything that's designed. I could like look at an ashtray. I could look at a knife.

I love knives. I like, you know, whatever. I just, you know, whatever. Firearm. I'm just like, I can, you know, it's like any engineering that people were passionate about. And they're like, this is what we wanted to make. And we made it. I'm like, yeah, good for you. Yeah. I'm just like I can you know it's like any engineering that people were passionate about and they're like this is what we wanted to make and we made it I'm like yeah good for you yeah I'm into that too I just love design and innovation yeah I just love seeing like the human mind come up with something like that spiraling I mean come on like I mean imagine the amount of passion and drive and dedication you have to have to develop something like that and actually produce it and make it.

And then when you see the preposterous way this thing fucking maneuvers and handles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so cool. I know, I know. And the Gordon Murray cars that just. What's that? The Gordon Murray T50 and the T30. What's that?

He's the guy who designed the F1, the McLaren. What's that? He's the guy who designed the F1, the McLaren. The $20 million, now evaluated $20 million supercar. Yeah, he designed that. A legendary designer. And then he made two cars. One is a fan car.

Well, no, it's not a fan car. It uses a fan to depressurize the zone behind the car. Oh, there we go. Whoa. T50. I think it's the T50. What the fuck is that? Oh, that's sick. Yeah, so center driving position and two passenger seats on either side.

Look how low it is. Just like the F1. Wow. It looks a lot like a McLaren. Yeah. Yeah, that was his baby. And how does that thing handle? I mean, there haven't been any reviews on it yet,

but I mean, look at that stick shift. And they designed the cockpit around you, so you come in for a fitting, essentially. But you get to see all the mechanics. The mechanics are exposed for the shifter on the interior of the car. So shifter, like, does it have gears? Yeah. Yeah, so it's a full gas car.

So it's a full gas so it's a full gas yeah the other one that they came out with is more of a 1960s homage is this in a manual transmission does it have a clutch uh man yeah clutch manual transmission really yeah so the t t33 that one check that one out um i love this car that's very interesting. This is more of like a kind of more magical, but, but Gordon Murray, he's like, he's a huge, he's just a legend. The guy is insanely talented, but he just like made these cars, the cars that he wanted to make. And there was like nothing, every wire, every bolt that guy is in.

I've watched so many interviews and everything is approved by him oh that's a gorgeous they're really beautiful automobiles and he doesn't release performance numbers because he doesn't believe in that he believes in the spirit of the car like the way it feels and of course it's going to be lightweight and all that stuff scroll back down please and he doesn't do traction control either i don't think think. It says in every major engineering area, the T33 is mechanically superior to modern day supercars. Go to the interior. See what that looks like.

Wow. So is this like a bespoke thing? They only make a certain number per year? Yeah, all that stuff. Stupid expensive. And you go into the design studio, like you can go in there and you just basically go through all the swatches and you know color blah blah blah blah blah but yeah you know i mean there's some beautiful automobiles out there and i can't afford

them but you know i click on that video so i can see that video yeah that's pretty sick does it show it driving that's what i don't really see them like. Yeah, there should be a sound, but that's the weird thing about his company. They don't really show a lot of footage of the car in action, which is kind of curious. I don't know why. Has this been actually released already? Can you buy one of these? You can order them. T50s exist, I think, or I think if that's the name of the T50, I figure.

Why is this video a map? It's stupid. That's why I wasn't going to click on it because I knew it wasn't. It's just a sales pitch.50 I figure why is this video? It's stupid It's a sales yeah, okay, there's a track okay now show the car that's it That's what I'm saying. It's like that's the one thing. I don't like about it's like you do that That's that's the guy that got drove the spear link that was crying That dude super tall guy he's as. Gordon Murray's tall, too. It was kind of funny to see them talking together. But yeah, I mean, so that fan in the back,

so it depressurizes the zone behind the car so that you don't need a spoiler for downforce. Huh. Well, there are two mini spoilers on either side, but it basically, as soon as that pressure starts to build up... So that's with the fan on, which makes it a lot louder. You can disengage the fan when you're driving around town. Why would you? Well, I mean, you know, small towns and stuff like that. Yeah.

Tell them to deal with it. You're in town. Oh, yeah. This is good. Oh, look at the back seat. Isn't that great? So people sit behind you. Yeah, just like the F1.

Wow. The F1 was center with passengers on either side, which I kind of like that. I mean, it's like you're going to take two friends on a ride. You know, it's kind of fun. And then you get that center drive position, which I've never experienced before. But I would love to get a center driving position. Yeah. Wow.

That's crazy. That's a road car. Man, isn't that great? Yeah. I know. It's like, you know, there's still like, there's some cool stuff going on. But, you know, the good thing is like there's cars at every price point. And they're all like so many great ones.

You know, I love them. Yeah. It's a good time for automobiles but it's a it's a weird thing because they keep making them faster every year i know where's this go i know that's what i'm saying there's a biological limit to speed and g forces like at a certain point all electric cars are going to basically be the same zero to 60 handling will be different but like the zero to 60 and stopping is like, that's a pretty predictable science. I don't know where we're going to go.

We can't get faster than blacking out. You know what I mean? Right. G-force. It's like you don't want to be like. Right. I wonder if that's possible. I think so.

That someone could black out from a car. I mean, you could black out. Yeah. You could blackout from a car. I mean you could black out you yeah You could black out from a corner. I mean cuz blacking out is just reduced blood to the brain So I don't know I guess on a forward acceleration. You should be able to black out I think you could black out have you ever been in a fighter jet? No never been no What yeah, I blacked out of course you did I went seven and a half Gs and didn't black out. And then we did another corner.

We did that. And I didn't do the hooking thing. You go, hooch, hooch, hooch. And I did one corner where I didn't do it right. I just didn't anticipate it was going to be as much. I was like, oh. And I threw up. Whoa.

No. Yeah. I mean, those... Exciting, though. I can't imagine. Were you wearing the liquid-filled suits? No, he didn't have them. No, the Blue Angels don't wear suits.

They don't? No. Oh, that's right. They're like old school. Old school. So you have to be kind of jacked, and you can't be tall, because the tall guys, it's too much blood to the brain. It's too much volume.

Yeah, these guys are like stout, and they have to be stout in order to pilot that thing because you have to have like muscles right Force the blood in your head feel your you actually see your consciousness closing in like an elevator, right? Yeah, see it like they do it like they do in video games when you like to start like I mean it looks like this I mean look at that each other and they fly that's fucking bonkers I just guys you just feed away from each other so blue angels are the man when they they'd used to come to my town for air shows because I lived on a next to an Air Force Base And it was I couldn't tell you how excited it was when they were at Stan

They would all stand outside of their planes You know with it just in front of each, and they all had their names on it. I was like, but there is nothing like an air show crash to fucking terrify you. My God, are you kidding? There's a ton of those you could see, too. Have the Blue Angels, they have a pretty low crash record. I don't know. I don't know who crashes but

i've seen air show crashes where they fuck up and those are horrific oh man i mean yeah i don't want to go no i don't no no no i don't need to go to an air show when i have you seen the dirty roll have you ever seen that what's that the uh two planes come together with their landing gear out facing each other. Their landing gear almost like kind of like offset. And then they do a full rotation. Oh God. It's the most insane. I saw it like a few times.

They're like, and they're coming around here for a dirty roll. Oh, fuck that. So yeah. So check this. Hopefully you'll get to see it. So that's a dirty row single, but they did a double dirty roll.

Two planes facing each other, landing gear facing each other. I would want to be far away with a spotting scope. Look at that. Oh, now I want to be close enough for one of those fucking things

touches the other one, flies into the crowd. Oh my God. It's, it's, oh, I see. Oh,

he pulled out safely. Yeah, there was like a complication with it. I mean, the new planes that are coming out, I mean, I don't know. The fucking, was it air dominance, next to air dominance vehicle or whatever. What do you think about all this UAP UFO stuff? Oh, shit.

You know, I don't know. It's something. It's something. I don't know what it is. Some of it is like, some people theorize it's like plasma technologies, but they're like, they're getting physical signatures on it. And then, you know, you're getting like the, all the radar return signatures and you're getting like infrared, you know, I don't, I don't fucking know, man. I mean, it's really blows me away. I keep, cause I can't say, I can't say for sure. Like, I believe that, that other life forms exist. can't say for sure like i believe that that other life forms exist um i also believe i just don't know if it's like it doesn't make any sense why they're like let's just hang out never show ourselves and just do like really cool tricky stuff and have people get a bunch of blurry images of it that we can never fucking see yeah that's that's the weird thing but i don't know what it

is man i mean it's either natural phenomenon or it's something that's been here a long time um or they're probes uh from that are triggered by a certain i don't know technological escalation in human society or they're somehow ours but that doesn't make any sense either i don't know man i mean i've seen them i've seen i've seen ufos but you have yeah i might have mentioned on the show before but i've seen like the classic like three glowing spheres in the distance kind of moving along and like a search light turning on or a spotlight turning on turning off and then like gliding with no noise in a canyon i've seen that but and that was awe-inspiring but you know some the footage that you see, you're like, that is, what is that? It just went into the ocean.

It just went into the ocean at the same, it's still traveling at the same rate that it was traveling in the air. And they're recording it. So it's either like a huge hoax, which doesn't make any sense because people talk. Or they're, I don't know, man. Or it's like interdimensional shit. Or they're, I don't know, man. Or it's like interdimensional shit. It's maybe if we are in a simulation, there are like glitches in the simulation.

You know, like there's like other things bleeding through. And like we're seeing things that don't have any, that don't adhere to the laws of physics because they aren't really in our physical realm in a way. I don't really know. Because I just, it really baffles me. And then also when the government starts releasing stuff and then you've got a guy going around like, well, you know, I've been cleared by the, you know, whatever, the CIA or whatever to be able to talk about this and all this stuff. Have you been cleared to talk about stuff that you're supposed to not be talking about?

Is it weird? That's weird. And then I'm like, is it propaganda. Is it like I don't know man It's that's a it's a tough one because I grew up like I love UFOs like a group project blue book watch the series Love to aliens used to sit in my backyard looking up at the stars hoping that I would see an alien one day and then I did see not aliens, but I saw you up you a peas or UFOs. Where were you? I was in Montanaana i was like probably 17 yeah and uh it was we were camping and uh at night and then we decided to to climb a butte in the middle of the night so we were crossing a big cattle field and then i was walking

and two friends were ahead of me and i kind of just looked to my right stopped looked to my right and i just saw these in the distance i don't know how far it would be but like you know they looked like about that big from my perspective so down a ways and there were three of them it wasn't one object because they changed they would change distance from each other and change elevation a little bit really low and then at some point sometimes it would just stop and you'd see a little beam turn on turn off and then it would start to move again it was really really weird i had two friends i i kept looking at i was like come here because i didn't want to not look and then look back and then they weren't there type of movie shit but my friends came back and they looked down and they described i didn't even

tell them what i was looking at i said tell me what you see they described what i was seeing i don't know what it was wow but i've heard other stories about three lights um same kind of shit i when i'm watching like ufo whatever documentary stuff it gave me chills because i'm like i've seen that whatever that is i've seen that so i don't know i don't know man it's like i go my mind goes all over the place, but there's no definitive. No, because no one's, you know, it's like unless they land and you're like, oh, there it is. Or we see not the Mexico City alien. Right. Obviously a joke.

Not a joke, but whatever it was. A hoax. Yeah. Like unless we get something where it's like oh shit what is that what is this metal or you know the scientists saying that they found a piece of a an alien ship at the bottom of the ocean because it's material they can't identify um i don't know it's it's weird i'm excited about it i think it's kind of interesting and i'm hopeful but it's almost like the more information that gets released the more i I'm like, I don't know what to think.

I'm exactly where you are. But I think more than likely that a lot of what we're seeing, a lot of these people are seeing is some sort of top secret probe. Some sort of super sophisticated propulsion system that doesn't rely on a combustion engine. Some completely new style of propulsion system that they've been working on. They've been working on gravity propulsion systems since the 1950s. They've been at least theorizing these things. And the possibility that someone has come up with something in a drone form that they can pilot like that makes the most sense to me because they keep spotting these things in areas where the military practices they keep spotting these things off the coast of

san diego off the east coast where they have these these uh restricted areas that's where they're seeing these things like it just makes sense that that would be where they would practice these things but what's weird about it is that you you know, like there was that famous UFO crossing incident over the northern all the states of going from, I think, Seattle or Washington all the way to Idaho, Montana, North Dakota. They were chasing the squadron of unidentified flying objects in the 50s. The 50s. 50s. Yeah. So that's the one thing that you do hear about sightings, like even in the 1800s, 1700s.

That's the weird thing. Right. That's the thing where I'm like hear about sightings, like even in the 1800s, 1700s. That's the weird thing. Right. That's the that's the thing where I'm like, well, if it's true. But I mean, in the 50s, I mean, there's like shots of it. There's people took photographs of these like squadron of glowing discs. And they were kept and they were going so fast that jets couldn't keep up with them. So I think scramble jets at the next base. And our baseball team is called the Voyagers based off of that incident.

Really? Yeah. So, I mean, in Great Falls. But, like, I don't know. That's the weird thing about it. I mean, I do. I agree with you. I think there is some kind of, like, propulsion system and that, you know, is able to, like, change on a dime and, like, doesn't necessarily get affected in the way that normal.

So there's probably multiple things going on simultaneously that's what i'm saying yeah i i do not doubt that we've been visited if there is intelligent life that's capable of coming here from somewhere else of course they would i mean well that's the place you would go yeah exactly i mean it's like it seems like in a way i just feel like the earth is kind of like a a terrarium it's like it's like they're just like let's do a pilot program here throw some seeds down there sure monitor it see how it goes certainly could be i mean some people think the moon is a spaceship well those people might be dumb well but they there is some there's some well are you familiar with the y files you know those guys that guy y files the y. So it's a YouTube channel.

This dude, he basically just recounts stories of paranormal, whether it's, you know, occult stuff, spiritual stuff, but not spiritual stuff, but it's like ghost stuff or aliens or interdimensional travel, that kind of stuff. And then he talks, he tells the story and kind of reenacts it. And then at the end, he kind of debunks it or tries to debunk it. But he seems to be pretty impartial. But he was talking about how like when they landed on the moon, they basically did seismic tests.

And the reverberance, there was a reverberance that would indicate that it's possibly hollow. And it does sound like a far-fetched thing, but there is a lot of, there's some kind of interesting things there. Again, I'm not like a firm believer in it, but if you think of it in a fantastical way, like what if that was a spaceship that just like, idle, you know, they just stopped that spaceship,

did some experiments on Earth or whatever, and just left the spaceship there. I don't know, I don't know. I'm dumb i'm dumb hi guys how are you that one seems so stupid i know but it's it's fun to look into let me see what it'll be cool to see what your crowd thinks no kind of an undertaking would be involved in creating a spaceship that's what is it huge quarter the size of the earth something it might be a smaller than that maybe maybe that's gotta be smaller than that when it's one six Earth's gravity okay that's the size that tell us this how much how small how big a big some hey y'all know how big the moon is over there y'all ever all over would you guess

I'm guessing like it's a tenth yeah that's what i'm guessing but yeah it's i mean and then there's a lot smaller there's there's also kinds of weird oh here we go no you were right oh okay one quarter one quarter the size of earth 80 times less than it yeah so it's pretty big yeah if you look up hollow moon just to see is it next to hollow earth no i hope not I hope not. I hope not. That's, that's, we gotta, they gotta get off that. Hollow moon.

Hmm. Spaceship moon. Pseudo-scientific hypothesis proposes earth moon is either wholly hollow or otherwise. Mechanic story from August. So this has got all of the details. Hmm. Oh. We break down how misinterpreted science and Apollo

moon missions give rise to a bizarre belief. Well then maybe that's all some bullshit. Seems like it's bullshit.

I mean I felt that way too. I just thought it was interesting. It's a Death Star. Yeah that's what I'm thinking. That would be

hilarious if it was. That's all I'm saying. I think it would be. Because my thing is I'm kind of like a big simulation Theory guy or whatever some version of a simulation that they were existing in and then also series going off Oh, sorry, sorry Siri Siri things right asking why you what the hell don't do that

But yeah, it's like you know it's like I like, I'm like, well. Scientists said the moon rings like a bell. Right. That's because the vibrations of the moon's seismic events, known as moonquakes, last much longer than those here on Earth. Hmm. Conspiracy theorists once believed the moon was hollow, though that's more likely the moon being made out of cheese. That I believe. That's the one thing I do believe. More likely than the moon being made out of cheese. Still seems pretty ridiculous.

Surprisingly, it's not based on folklore. NASA researchers sought to learn more about the composition of the moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Astronaut Pete Conrad and Alan Bean set up a passive seismic experiment at the landing site as part of a larger set of moon experiments known as the Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package. Once the astronauts were safely back in the command module, they crashed the lunar module into the Earth's surface. The impact was the equivalent of detonating a one-ton TNT and triggered what's known as a moonquake, the first human-made moonquake to take place.

The PSE's seismometers recorded the resulting vibrations, which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated. They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with. That's how just the composition of the moon is different. Yeah, totally. And then there's just all structures on the moon

and then the Japanese, or not, Chinese that landed on the backside of the moon. Like, see, there it goes. The moon is only 60 percent as dense as Earth. That doesn't mean the moon is hollow. But it's with many things like the moon landing itself. Conspiracy theorists perpetuated that misinformation. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, favorite. I mean, yes, of course. I mean, I don't. Conspiracy theories. We didn't go to the moon. That's my favorite. I hate that. I just I just think it, of course. My favorite conspiracy theory is we didn't go to the moon. That's my favorite. I hate that one. I love it.

I just think it's so annoying. Why is it annoying? Because it's too many people involved. Is it? Oh, way too many people involved. Like the people that were like there during the launch. Also the fact that we've used the same way that we got to the moon with the things that we were landing on the moon now. Right. the same way that we got to the moon with the things that we were landing on the moon now. Right, but the difference is taking

a human biological organism and having it go into deep space and go through the Van Allen radiation belts and come back and also the photographs that were perfectly made with these Hasselblad cameras. But that was part of the, they made, they did make films, they did stage

moon landings for NASA internally did that for, I forget what the reason they did it for. Propaganda. Well, it wasn't propaganda. Bullshit. A lot of people. But they were like, I don't know. I'm pretty sure when we go up there, we're going to find the modules, the leftover modules.

If we don't, then fine. I'll eat. You know what I'll do? I'll drink a full thing of your energy drink. You don't have to do that. But isn't it interesting, though, that that's one thing that you're kind of not open-minded about? Because it's just like it's too many people involved. Like you would have heard.

First of all, it's 1969. Yeah. It's a different world. Nixon's president. Everyone's full of shit. They lie about everything. We're in the middle of the Cold War. But why would scientists and engineers lie?

Well, if they were supposed to be doing it so that they could beat Russia in the moon missions. Yeah. And there was some sort of a patriotic element to it. I mean, that's a motive. That's a certainly. The fact that we haven't been back since 1972. It's pretty wild. Well, they said that a lot of that was because they lost interest because it was just a competition.

We won it and then we were done. Yeah. No interest. It's been 50 years. Why go back? Apollo programs have employed 400,000 people and require the support of over 20,000 industrial firms and universities. Sure. But if it's compartmentalized, so if they are going into space and they're just not going into deep space. They're going just like space shuttles,

which is not past the magnetosphere, the Van Allen radiation belts, out into deep space. That's exciting. I like it. That's my favorite. I'll entertain it a little bit, but it will be pretty...

I just have a feeling that it probably will. You sound a little closed-minded. I'm a little closed-minded, but it will be pretty, I just have a feeling that it probably will. You sound a little closed-minded. Yeah, I'm a little closed-minded, but I will say this. I'll leave an 8% chance, no, I'll leave a 5% chance that I'm wrong. Interesting. But that's healthy. 5%. Sort of. It's not absolute.

Yeah. We'll find out. We'll find out if people ever actually do go. I know. Well, we're supposed to, right? The next three years. Four years. We've always been supposed to.

George H. Herbert Walker Bush said we were going to go to the moon. W. said we were going to go to the moon. W. I think Obama said we were going to go to the moon. Yeah, I guess every president has to. But I mean, but my friend's just, my friend's friend who has an architecture company just won the bid for designing the lunar colony modules. So they're starting design on this. Maybe in your lifetime people will live on the moon and then Mars.

Yeah, I don't care about Mars so much, but the moon makes sense. But that's a lonely place. Scroll back. Make that smaller so I can see the Earth in the background. That's what's wild. Imagine being somewhere looking down on the Earth. I mean, that view. I mean, if anybody doesn't go there and go like, wow, this planet's cool and we should save it.

I don't know what will. That's amazing. Right. That's the perspective, right? When you're outside of Earth to look back. That's what all the astronauts talk about. Yeah. They go to the space station and then come back down. It's like this insanely profound recognition that this is very delicate, fragile thing that we're all a part of.

Yeah. Boundaries and borders and disputes over resources and all that shit. That's just you lose perspective of the magic of what you are on this organic spaceship that's hurling through the cosmos. It's so trippy to me. I always trip out with my friends where I'm like, you know, we're talking about being like even us just talking about being on the planet. We are on the planet, but we're talking about being on the planet that we are on, which is just insane to me. Yeah. I love those weird contradictions. Well, I guess they're not contradictions, but just things to notice. You're like, you can never talk about consciousness without realizing that you are the thing you're talking about, which is crazy.

It is crazy. It makes you mad. It can make you cuckoo. It can make you cuckoo. For Cocoa Puffs? No. It is crazy. It makes you mad if you eat it. It can make you cuckoo. It can make you cuckoo. For Cocoa Puffs? No. No. Okay.

Just crazy. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs is sugar addiction. Yeah, you're right. That's different. That stuff's delicious. I mean, they've tried to do a bunch of sugar-free versions. It just doesn't cut the mustard.

Monk fruit's pretty good, though, man. What's that? Monk fruit's a natural. It's sweet, that's good stuff but do they make cocoa puffs with no fruit they're not going to i'm saying like if you get captain crunch part of the thing is you're getting sugar yeah you're getting cracked out you're getting cracked out you're enjoying this absolutely delicious that the milk gets in the moment yeah in the moment it's so good and crunch is the shit i mean destroy the roof of your mouth peanut butter captain crunch oh that that i hated it's so good i hated how good it was

i just was like reaching in the bag just count chocula remember count chocula all of it cookie crisp yeah bro they just poison kids i know they just poison kids for decades they're like we can get away with it until they find out but until then yeah well just get people to enjoy it and if they enjoy it keep selling it like yeah fuck the health consequences i know i know i know i'm always about like i want people to i don't want people to lose all the stuff that they love just because it's healthy it's like i just want them to realize they can have all the stuff that they love, but it can be a healthy version of it. Well,

sort of. You're not going to get a healthy version of an ice cream sundae. I don't know. I love an ice cream sundae. I've gotten some monk fruit sweetened chocolate syrup. You sound like a fucking hippie. It's pretty good. Like a dirty hippie that's lying to me about how vegan people talk about how good their

fake chicken is no that that i don't agree with that i don't agree with although i will say corn is very delicious that q u o r n it's made from mushrooms like mycelium or whatever that that i've never heard of that yeah corn we were selling it i worked in a health food store in the 90s and we would sell a ton of it and they make chicken cutlets and stuff like that you just like put them in the oven and so it's a mushroom yeah it's really tastes really good bello which is delicious kind of yeah but it's it's it's made from uh it's made from mushrooms so it's not like a mushroom but it's like constitute it's like mushroom protein there's some portobello mushrooms are fucking i love those

portobello burger good kidding so good so good yeah and you don't have to lie to yourself that you're eating some impossible bullshit i know that's the one thing I'm not into. I used to be into, I mean, I still kind of am into like simulation meats. You know, there's something kind of fun about it. But in general, when you look at the ingredients, it's like 30 ingredients that make up this thing. It's like just eat the natural, eat something natural or synthesized meat, which I'm invited to a dinner for the first time. They're using synthesized chicken. They're making a bunch of meals from not synthesized, but bioreacted chicken, which I'm very excited about.

So that's chicken that was made in a laboratory. Yeah. So it's actually chicken tissue that they've recreated. Yeah. They take cell culture. They only need one sample of it and then they can just perpetuate it. And then they grow it into substrates they grow it among substrates and then create this uh chicken meat right now tyson tyson's chicken is heavily invested in upside foods that makes this uh chicken they're the only

i think the only company that's ready to go to market interesting and they just got fda approval i wonder how bad that stuff is for you i don't't know. We're going to have to find out, but it's just, it's just chicken cells. So I don't know. Yeah. I've seen when they do 3d printing steaks. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've heard of that as well. They put the fat in there and marble it and it kind of looks like a steak. I would love, I would love to try that. Yeah. I'm into that. I, that I'm into, I asked Moby once, I was like, if you, if they made synthesized meat or, you know, or bioreacted meat, would you eat it? And he was like,

yes. He's like immediately. And I was like, I was like, get it because it promotes another alternative to actually just raising a bunch of cattle and like all the resources it takes. So, um,

and also ethical as well. But like, I don't know. It's, uh, I, I'm, I like that kind of stuff.

Cause I like to pretend I'm an astronaut. Eat paste. Yeah. If I could eat, like if I could get all my calories in a little paste thing, believe me, I'd be the first one to do it. And it was healthy and it actually worked. I'm down. But you wouldn't because you like food. I do love food.

Don't you like sitting down for a meal? It's the smells and the way it looks and the chef prepared it. Yeah, but sometimes my addiction to food it actually does the opposite like yes 100 i love it but like sometimes explain your addiction to food well well i mean like i uh i have like i don't know it's like i've been you know my weight fluctuates all throughout my life i've been probably a chubbier guy most of my life but i never liked it but you know and there would be moments where i'd go like fuck this i'm changing my diet i'm gonna exercise like once in high school i got really thin in high school i got

really in shape in my later 20s and then i did it again when i first moved to la but sometimes my food like i just go on these binges, you know, like, Oh, I'll be late at night watching a movie. And I'm like, you know what? I didn't eat dinner. So fuck it. I'm like, Oh,

there's that new burger place. I'll just get Uber eats. Oh, they have two burgers that are really interesting. Oh, maybe I'll get both of them and I'll just save half or whatever. And then I just eat all the burgers and I feel terrible. And that will happen a lot or I'll go,

Oh, this is a healthy cereal. So I'm going to, I'm going to have this healthy cereal and I'm going to use flax milk and also, and then I eat the entire box of cereal. I can't, I just, once I get going, it's hard for me to stop. And then, then when I like, do you want to go out to dinner? But I'm trying to watch my diet. I'm like, I don't know how to go out to dinner and not order.

You know, like I get this weird anxiety about it. But now that I'm doing the keto thing, it's much easier because i can go like i can have cheese how long you've been doing the keto thing for like three months or something like that have you lost weight i have lost a little weight yeah i've lost a little weight and it's and i haven't really been exercising that hard just like getting like 7 000 steps a day or whatever but um a lot of it's diet and it's like once you get that sugar out of it and i've also been taking this stuff called i think it's like called super gut or something like that and it's like this powder that you add to a drink and it um it aids your micro your gut biome whatever i think the combination of the two things that i'm doing i'm feeling like i'm a little bit more

in control of my my appetite and that feels good because then if I do go off one day a week, I feel fine. I was at Sarah's party and she had some sick pizza and I was like, ah, screw it, I'm just gonna go for it. But I also danced for two and a half hours as well, so I felt like it all balanced out. Do you find that when you're on keto, your appetite is much more suppressed

because your body's able to burn fat? Yeah, big difference. Also, you have to eat so much protein right to supplement like the loss of other things high satiety yeah so that yeah so in the morning i usually do i have like a lot of really great whey proteins that i that i take with me or i even have like a hit of it like you know that i carry with me so i can if i get get hungry instead of going, I'm going to get the thing, I'll just pour some protein. And that always usually makes me feel full. That's cool. And fiber powder, that kind of stuff.

I don't know. I have a problem. It's the only thing in my life that I feel like that and scrolling. Like I have an addiction to news. I'll just be like news, news, news, news, news, news. I'm trying to wean myself off of that addiction. That addiction is a real problem i need it gone i really do because like if i checked in like maybe once a week i'd be fine my new phone doesn't have any apps on it really yeah oh sick yeah so my my

idea is keep my old number and use it for social media when i need to do stuff yeah and then with the new one nothing on it that's a cool idea idea. I know it's, it's tough. I mean, I rely on social media for posting. Right. But the problem is if it's on the phone that I use all the time, I'm just too tempted. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. It's man, it's, it's, it's tough. Those, those two things. And then I'm addicted to driving, but that's an okay. Yeah. That's a good addiction. That I love that. I'm like, driving, but that's an okay addiction. Yeah, that's a good addiction. That I love. That I'm like, oh. Yeah, that's the thing is finding something that's addictive that's actually beneficial in some way, rewarding in some way.

Not a food. Yeah. The food thing. Well, food is, it's reward. That's the problem is it's very pleasurable. Yes, I know. I mean, like, I don't mind for holiday, like Thanksgiving, like I'll get excited about, oh, I'm just going to have some turkey and some gravy and some cranberry sauce, whatever. I can get excited about a holiday meal, but my everyday day to day meal stuff, that's

the part where I'm like, I need to get into a mindset where I know this is going to be great for me and I'm going to feel good. And I made a good decision, you know, and that's, that's all, that can be really hard when you get that sugar talking to you and all those carbs. I mean, last night I got a charcuterie board for, you know, at night cause I didn't eat dinner. I had like the cheese and the meat and there was like this basket of bread and I just smelled it and I just took one bite of it and I was like, okay, that's it.

But, but I felt okay about it. I didn't feel like, I didn't feel like I was being an asshole to myself you know when i was playing games but i was like okay yeah okay a little bit great back to the other stuff and i was i made it every time i do that i'm like oh you made it good job man yeah it's like a game that i have to play with myself well you literally are what you eat if you eat a lot of shit your body turns into shit yeah especially as you get older it Oh, yeah, baby. I mean, you're in your 40s now. I'm getting there.

I'm in my 50s. I'm in my 50s. I'm in my 51. Yeah. But, yeah, and I just noticed that shit. And the inflammation thing is really the biggest thing for me. I'm like, that's the reward if there's anything. Because getting up in the morning and going, uh, you know, or sitting down and going, ah. So many people are inflamed.

Yeah. So many people are walking around and they just don't understand that. That's a lot of it is your food. I mean, the American diet is just so poor. There's something, some insane number, like 40% of us are obese.

Yeah. Maybe more. It's, it's, it's crazy. The processed foods, the fucking sedentary lifestyle. I love when you see those old pictures from like 1970s beach.

I know. Everyone looked hot. Everyone looked great. Everyone looked great. It was great. They're eating normal food. Yeah. They're eating actual food.

Yeah. And then you go to 2023 and everyone looks like they're going to have a heart attack at any moment. It was like DuPont got involved in our food and then it was all over. Well, a lot of people got involved in our food. And, you know, it's also shelf life. There, a lot of people got involved in our food. And, you know, it's also shelf life. There's a lot of factors. It's like if you want really healthy food, it doesn't last long.

Yeah. You got to pick it and eat it. Raw milk and, you know, real healthy food that's biological. It's going to deteriorate. Like if you want vegetables, you have to eat them real soon after you pick them. If you want meat, you have to cook it pretty quick. Yeah. Or. Yep. If you want meat, you have to cook it pretty quick. Yeah. Or freeze it.

Or freeze it. Yeah, yeah. Freeze it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's good that you're on the keto thing.

That's great. Thanks, man. A lot of people have done that and it's made a giant change in their life. It really has. And I try not to be like hyper strict about it. I'm not like, I'm keto. It's more like, I'm like keto-ish, you know. Yeah, that's good.

Because it lightens it a little bit. Because nothing I hate worse'm like keto ish you know that's good because it let it lightens it a little bit because nothing i hate worse than like fads you know like sure i'm on the 30 60 diet or i'm on the blah blah blah diet i'm like settle down buddy just just just eat whole good foods with no processed sugars and for all that shit and just like enjoy yourself yeah so we've sorted out one aspect of your life right yeah now we. You got that. Now we got to sort out the exercise. Yeah, my knees. You just got to do the exercise. That's why I come here.

I come here to get my diet on track. That's the only reason why I come here. That and physical well-being. Those are the two things. Well, we can guide you in the right direction. I certainly know people that can. There's some online stuff if you don't want to hire a trainer too. There's plenty of online stuff that you can get.

There is, but I really love a trainer this i love going like four days a week going to a trainer and getting that relationship going and they're like obsessed with goals and i'm like yeah we're both in line with this and the improvements i i love it i because i like going into a gym and know because it's weird as many trainers as i've worked with when i walk into a gym i guess I get optioned, like option paralysis. I'm like, what do I start? Should I do shoulders? I think a shoulder.

No, I'm going to do, should I do shoulders? No, I'm going to do legs. No, maybe I'll do a little bit of each. No, no, I'll do, it's crazy. I can't put together a program for myself. But you have someone put it together for you. There's plenty of things online.

That's true. There's apps that do that. Yeah. You just follow an app. Yeah, I true. There's plenty of things online. That's true. There's apps that do that. Yeah. You can just follow an app. Yeah, I know. There's so many of those, Reggie. I know. You're a technologically advanced guy.

I know, but I'm terrible. I'm the worst. It's just like it's so nice. You walk in. It's like, okay, we're going to do this today. I'm like, great. There's a social aspect of it that I kind of enjoy. No, that is cool.

And then taking all the weight off of you. Yeah. And then taking all the weight off of you. Yeah. And then taking all the weight off of someone else. Yeah. An actual professional. And you're going to a place and someone who gets results and all that stuff like that. I used Kumail Nanjiani's trainer for a little while, but I wasn't really, I wasn't, I don't know. You got to use his pharmacist too.

Oh my God. I know. I know. That was so funny. Yeah. I know. Wink, wink. Love you, Kumail.

He's a nice guy. No, he's. But, I know. Wink, wink. Love you, Kumail. He's a nice guy. No, he's... But, you know, nothing wrong with taking hormones. I mean, I took a little bit of HGH when I was first training. Yeah. It was like shooting it, but then the shooting it up thing was like... Shooting it up. Like into fat?

Injecting, yeah, into the fat, into the stomach fat. But I just like... It made me feel so crazy every time i did it i was like i can't do this anymore but i was doing fine with that i mean again i'm not looking to get like shredded ripped hollywood you want to be fit i just want to be fit that's it i just want to have like i fortunately i think i have a very good cardiovascular system which is the most important part of your central pumping lifeline but um yeah i i know i can do it i can get back there again i just want to be in swimming trunks and like be really really really proud and i know that

i'm i've learned how to be happy with my body do you know how many people do that they get fit so that they can look good on vacation yeah oh i know it's kind of crazy it's here i am on vacation like this like you've like this event that you've prepped for. That's a little weird. It's weird. I don't mind the metric of like, we're all going to go swimming and then everyone takes off their clothes and I'm just like, I'm totally comfortable with it. Right. And that's what you want.

That's what I want. That's all I want. I just want to be. You want to look good naked. Because I've been there. You know, that's the problem. It's like when you've been there a few times, that's the thing because I'm just like, I know I can get there. And my friends are like, but you look

beautiful. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I appreciate you saying that. And I'm working on feeling happy in my skin. But I can when I take a step down, when I go down a flight of stairs, there's some extra jiggling going around. And I don't like that feeling. And so I got to do something. It's fixable, Reggie. It is fixable.

This is a very fixable problem. This isn't like the war in the Middle East. No, very fixable problem. Yeah. War in the Middle East or like people with, you know, that love heroin. Yeah. That seems like a bigger problem. It's a little bit of a bigger problem. That's a problem that could be mitigated with some drugs too. True. You know, that's, that's the really sad thing about the lack of psychedelic therapy being legal in this country. Yes. Is that that's one of the best ways to fix it. There's so many people that have fixed a lot of those problems, including friends of mine, particularly with Ibogaine, which I have no experience in. I've heard about that, yeah.

Many, many. And there's actually a physical mechanism that happens in your mind that stops the addiction in its tracks as you down the last drops of Kratom Kava? Kratom Kava, feel free! They had a lawsuit. Yeah. Or they're in a lawsuit. Yeah, there's some shit going on with them. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that. I don't know what's going on. I haven't looked at it enough. But it's also like the guy who was doing it drank 10 of them a day. I know. That's what I'm talking about. That's everything. That's like pizzas. You're going to sue

Domino's because you ordered 10 pizzas a day and you had a fucking heart attack? Or sue alcohol for your problems. I get it. Regulations give it. It's like any of these things. I don't like regulations. Responsibility. Some of them are wrong.

Quality regulations, those are important. Well, I like home construction regulations. Sure. Or knowing that this actually is creative. Car regulations, safety regulations. 100%. I believe in that kind of regulation. But I do not believe in regulating human beings' choices of things that they have been consuming for thousands of years. And to have people that have no experience in those things be the ones who regulate them is infuriating to me. I agree with that.

Because all the people that tell you that psychedelics should be illegal are not doing psychedelics. That's like people saying, you don't need exercise and you're a sedentary slob. Shut up. All you need is a balanced diet. Bitch, you don't have a balanced diet so shut the fuck up i had a fat doctor tell me once you get all the vitamins you eat from your food and i look right at his stomach oh my god look at you bro you little spindly little arms and your your

gut you can't even open up a jar of mayonnaise shut the fuck up because it's like you gotta lead by example man talk the talk walk the walk and that that's what it's about and i'm thankful for like you know rick doblin oh yeah you know rick doblin yeah we uh we had that little exchange yeah we hung out together that's so cool man he's the best cool dude right he's so important shout out to rick doblin and maps they're so important they're so important for elevating the discourse of psychedelics and highlighting the importance and all the benefits. And the fact that they're doing MDMA therapy for soldiers. Yes. And people with PTSD and finding some really excellent results from that.

That to me is so promising and so important. And one of the things that you're seeing now that I think is really incredible is people on the right, right-wing people that recognize because they have friends that are in the military that have come back and have done whether it's psilocybin studies or whether, you know, psilocybin therapy or ayahuasca. And they've had amazing results. And it's helped them tremendously. That is huge. And so it's changing the way people think about these things where they thought it was just for losers who Wanted to escape reality and you're just a drug addict and now they're realizing oh Maybe I was a little closed-minded and you know you're talking to fucking Navy SEALs that have done it It's helped them tremendously like oh, I respect those people. I'm changing my perspective

100% I mean it's like psychedelics have been part of our culture since human and consciousness existence forever and there's a reason for it and the reason for it is because it gets us to me it's about creating options it's like when you end literally sometimes neural pathways new new new neurons or these new neural pathways are generated but it's about like no because when you're when you're entrapped in a either a trauma or something You're essentially in a really tight loop that you you can't see any other way of existing Yeah, and when you have a psychedelic, it's like you zoom out and you're like, oh shit There's all this other terrain. Yes, and then you can start to heal But I think like, you know when I went to the maps convention, I mean Eric Andre did maps

show with Flaming Lips. But I also spoke on a panel about psychedelics in film. And I'm just like such a huge proponent of it. And the fact that it's being taken seriously and they're doing peer-reviewed papers and research and there's more research being done on it. I love it. I think it's one of the things that could possibly save humanity. Yes. It sounds so crazy to say, but I think you're right. And I agree 100%. I think perspective enhancing things can save people's lives and they can save the way people view the, they could change the way people view the world, which could help us all. Yeah. Please. Come on, guys. Let's beam ourselves up again not for everybody not for people with

like severe mental issues no no no for any uh no people that have a hard time with regular reality no they shouldn't be on it no no no that's just like everything there's some people that shouldn't drink there's some people that shouldn't smoke weed you know smoking weed is the one thing that i talk about all the time because there are people that have like real problems when they smoke too much weed and they go crazy. And I've seen it. Yes. I know people. I've seen it too.

And it's like I've had to learn how to be a lot more compassionate about it because sometimes I'm like, no, they're just faking it. Or they're being – and I'm like, no, that's real. And you have to have much more sympathy for that. The biological variability amongst human beings is very wide. And there's some people that just cannot handle a lot of different things. And it's not their fault. It's literally who they are. And we're all different.

Yeah. I don't know. I just want us to get some perspective and kind of realize like, oh, man, we could be doing some pretty amazing shit at all times if we want to. We don't have to always be like, oh, this sucks.istic all the time you're like come on man it's like you got all this time i swear to god when you get older you're gonna think back about all that time that you were wasting yeah and you're complaining yeah complaining it's like man get into the solution man like the solutions are fun get into the solution that man. Like, the solutions are fun. Get into the solution. That's your next book.

Yeah, that's Reggie Watts, Getting into the Solution. But I'll be in a black turtleneck. How long are you in town for? I'm here. I'm doing your club this weekend. So I'm doing five dates at your club. Well, I mean, when this comes out, maybe that doesn't. But yeah, so I'm doing five dates.

Have you been doing clubs a lot? You mean like formal comedy clubs? Yeah. Not throughout my career, not as much. I'd say probably about like 5% of the places. dates have you been doing clubs a lot uh you mean like formal comedy clubs yeah uh not throughout my career not as much i'd say probably about like five percent of the places you're gonna love the mothership oh i went that one day i know but i mean to perform oh perform yeah it's great i mean i always tell people i say like it's the comedy club because it is but it is a comedy club that if if a comedian wanted to design their the the perfect comedy club, that's the comedy club that you would make.

And that's exactly what it is. Yeah. But it's just got the greatest vibe. I love that there's an independent viewing box for just the comedians, you know, so you like, they can watch the show. Cause my thing is like,

I hate fucking like being backstage chatting's fine. You know, getting to know people. That's great. But like, I also like to watch the show. Well, the fact that it's attached to the green room was the ultimate.

That's what I love. When we designed it and that was a projection room And I said what if we had this as our green room? Instead of the green room being backstage, and then you just look down from these balconies love it. Oh, yeah It's so good in the projection room was the perfect size. Yeah, it was perfect when we Opened it up, and we you know we removed all the equipment is a beautiful labor of love it really was and it's it's it's so fun to be there now and to have it work so and have it be received so well by my peers yeah comedians yeah when they come there i go oh my god this is like you you built the place yeah you built the place for us yeah okay

it's for you it's for us it's for the art form it really is for us. Yeah. Okay, it's for you. It's for us. It's for the art form. I know. It really is. I designed it and built it, or I had someone help me design it, rather, but built it exactly for comedy. I didn't build it as a money-making venture. My goal was to break even. Yeah. It'd be great if I could break even in this place. I just don't want to lose money.

Of course. I don't want it to be something I'm pouring money into every year, and I'm like, oh my God, I got to get rid of the club. Yeah. Da, da, oh, my God, I got to get rid of the club. Yeah. I want it to be able to make money so it's not a strain, but also help the community. And the fact that we have this very strong program for up and coming comedians. We have two nights of open mic nights. We have Kill Tony there.

Oh, wow. The door people are all comics who auditioned for that job with their act. And they all get spots and and they get showcase spots, and they get a chance to perform, and then they get a chance to see some of the best comics in the world come through. Man, it's dope. I tell people that all the time.

I'm like, that's where you want to go. If you go to Austin and you get the chance and you can, you definitely got to go there. I mean, I just saw some comedy, and I was hanging out in the green room, but I was just like, this is dope, man. This is the type of vibe I would create for a club. And the sight lines are great.

Everything about it is like, it's great for the audience and great for the performer. Yeah, we spent a lot of time. We spent a lot of time thinking about it. And then Louis C.K. came in and gave me a lot of great tips. Really? Yeah. He told me to lower the ceiling in the small room, make the stage smaller in the small room, and in the big room, lower the ceiling even further.

Oh, wow. And, you know, it used to be a movie theater, so it was like stadium seating. Oh. So we raised the floor. I see. And so now it's all one level. Gotcha. So that's how we got it to the point where it's the way it is right now.

And that gave you room for the thing downstairs. Yes. It gave us the tunnel and, you know, it's fucking dope. That's cool. Being able to come in through the alley. Yeah. That's great. Alley us the tunnel and, you know, it's fucking dope. That's cool. Being able to come in through the alley. Yeah. That's great. Alley loading.

I mean, come on, man. And the place is filled with cops. Like, it's like super secure. I love it. Yeah. It's great. It's awesome. Congratulations, man.

Thank you. Seriously, I'm glad. I can't wait to perform, man. I can't wait to have you. All right. Reg, you're the fucking man. I love you to death. You are.

I love you too, man. Thank you. Thanks for always having me. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye.