The Joe Rogan Experience - #2054 - Elon Musk

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

Elon Musk is a business magnate, designer, and engineer. His portfolio of businesses include Tesla, Inc., SpaceX, Neuralink, X, and many others.https://twitter.com/elonmusk

the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day have you seen that before did people get you one of those yeah he's awesome he's awesome he's pretty edgy yeah he's amazing it's amazing that he puts out a Before? Did people get you one of those? Yeah. He's awesome. He's awesome. He's pretty edgy. It's amazing that he puts out a piece of art per day.

365 days a year. Yeah. I was following him on the X platform, FKA Twitter. But some of it was too jarring. Too jarring, some of the images? Yeah. Well, cheers, sir. Cheers. Happy Halloween.

Cheers. Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. You Happy Halloween. Thanks for doing this appreciate it Thanks for rolling up in this hybrid truck, too Yeah, I got a chance to look at it in the factory, but that was almost Was that like a year and a half ago or so? Was it it was a while ago? Yeah, a year ago. Yeah, at least a year. At least a year. And it's different in real life. You see it in person.

Images are just, we were talking about it outside, you just can't contextualize them. Yes. It looks so odd that you have to see it in the flesh. It looks like computer graphics in reality. Yeah, it's the coolest looking fucking production car that's ever been made. It's world proof, literally. Literally. Yeah One of the videos we're gonna show is just going all like for Al Capone

Just like phone showed up and an empty, duh You know the entire magazine of a Tommy gun into the side of the car You'd be okay. The only thing is not bulletproof is the glass but the glass is optionally bulletproof Oh, it is optional? Well, you can make anything bulletproof if you want. But the glass has to be very thick for it to be bulletproof. So it can't go up and down. So if you want fixed glass. Then how do you order drive-thru?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a problem. It's awkward. You've got to pull ahead and open the door and get out. But it's okay. You can just duck. Yeah, you can just duck. How far away are you from delivering them to people?

Has anybody gotten them yet? We planted our first deliveries next month. Oh, wow. So now it's just testing and fucking around? The hard part by far is manufacturing, not designing the car. There's just not really a movie about that, but there should be.

The movies will always be about the inventor who invented the car, and then the job is done. Right. Or invented the object, now the job is done. Right. That's invented the object. Now the job is done. This is not true. That's the easy part.

The hard part is manufacturing by far. Why is it so much harder than making an individual model? Well, in order to make it affordable, you have to make it at volume. So you've got to make everything at high rate consistently. If you tour the production line, you'd have a sense for it. But if you tour the production line, you'd have a sense for it. You've got to have all of the casting machines, all of the stamping machines, as the case may be, the glass machines, the wheels, the tires, everything required for the motor, the battery cells, all of the constituents of the battery cells, all of the silicon that goes in the other chips.

The manufacturing is somewhere between 100 and 1,000 times harder than making a prototype. Whoa. And then if you want to say you want to get from, once you reach volume manufacturing, which is insanely difficult, then you want to make the car affordable, it's harder to, say, reduce the cost of the car by 20% than it is to get to volume production in the first place. So I really cannot emphasize enough how hard production is relative to design. I'm not saying design is trivial because you have to have taste and you have to know what to make.

If you don't have a taste and judgment, then your prototype will be bad. But it is trivial really to churn out prototypes and it is extremely difficult to build a factory. And how much more difficult is it to make this considering the body's made out of steel? It's Very difficult. The difficulty of manufacturing is proportionate to the amount of new technology that you have in a car or in the product. In this case, there's a lot of new technology. The production line will move as fast as the slowest and least lucky and most foolish part of the entire production line. And you could say to first approximation, there are 10,000 things that have to go right

at least for production to work. So if you have 9,999 things that are working and one that isn't, that sets your production rate. Yeah. production rate. Yeah. But quite far in the hardware. In fact, really, the amazing thing about automobiles was not so much the invention of the automobile, but the invention of the factory, the mass manufacturing.

And for that, Henry Ford deserves a tremendous amount of credit. He was an X-level genius and in fact Ford is really responsible for the entire mass manufacturing industry because he

actually founded Cadillac which was the heart of General Motors then he got kicked out and then

started Ford really yeah and everyone just copied him do you know he made one of his

first cars out of hemp well he used hemp fiber for the panels okay yeah there's a there's fascinating video of him bang on it with a hammer because hemp is uh bizarrely durable when it's uh compressed and when they take the fibers and i don't know what kind of epoxy they use or something to put it all

together but uh what what it makes with the the actual physical form of it is insanely light like fiberglass light but but very, very durable. See if you can find that video. It's kind of crazy. Henry Ford is banging on, I believe it was the hood of it with a hammer. Here it is. So this was like, look at that. Isn't that crazy?

That is wild. I don't know why they stopped making them out of that. That was from 1941. How much does the Cybertruck weigh? It depends on configuration, but it's about 7,000 pounds. There's different versions, but 6,000, 7,000 pounds. It's like similar to, it's a heavy truck. Like a Ford F-250 or something like that.

Yeah. And it, because of all of the metal and the weight and everything like that, but with the engines that you have, it's still, the 0-60 is pretty bizarre, right? It's like 3.5 or something like that? Well, it may get the 0 to 60 below three seconds. Below three? Yes. Wow.

For the beast mode version. So we've got a beast mode version. So there's this – well, I don't want to give it all away right now, but there are three demonstrations. right now, but there are three demonstrations. One of them people are aware of, which is emptying a Tommy gun into the side of the car,

a shotgun, 45 and a 9mm, and no penetrations. Wow. And it comes that way from the factory. Can I try it with an arrow? Yeah, it'll be fine. You think so? I mean, a crossbow might. I have a 90-pound compound bow that shoots 520 grain arrows at 300 feet per second.

With a razor-sharp broadhead. We can try it right now if you want. I wish I had it with me. Is it at your house or something yeah should we send someone to go get it we could do the demo

tonight that would be interesting maybe I'll drive back with an arrow sticking out of my car I bet I could get in there okay I'll bet you can't really

yeah I'll bet you a dollar damn I'd like I think if you have a a crossbow that's with enough force you might a crossbow might get it through the thing about a crossbow that's with enough force, a crossbow might get it through. The thing about a crossbow is the bolt, even though it's very fast, it's not going to be nearly as heavy.

You won't have as many grains. You can make a heavy crossbow bolt. You could, yeah. But generally, crossbow bolts are considerably lighter. They're much smaller. And they're much faster. They're moving at, you know, and they're much faster. They're moving at like 400, 500 feet per second. Easy. Yeah. I mean, the thing that matters is kind of the energy per unit area. So interesting,

like a 9-mil or a 45, which is basically sort of a 10-. The 45 is, they're roughly the same, but the 45 actually is slightly worse penetration than a 9 mil. You know what I just realized? I do have some broadheads. I do have some broadheads, and I have a less powerful bow, but I have an 80 pound bow back there. I think we should do it. Absolutely.

Okay. You want to do it right now? Yeah, I can do it right now. Okay, let's do it right now. Let's find out. Okay, let's do it. Sick. Okay, let's do it. Sick. This could be funny. I'm just like, why does he have an arrow sticking out of his car?

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Damn. Look at that. There it is. Very nice. Very nice. Look at this. Blew the arrow apart. Flat in the tip of the arrow. Look at the tip of the broadhead.

That's impressive. Yeah. Flatten the tip of the arrow. Look at the tip of the broadhead. That's impressive. Hey, cutie. Thank you. Well, now we know. So we just shot an arrow into it, and it barely scratched it. Barely scratched it. Yeah.

It was probably moving 275 feet a second. That was a 525-grain-ish arrow with, yeah, even more than that because it had the 125-grain head, so that was 545 grains. That's impressive. Yeah. Very impressive. It just destroyed the broadhead. The broadhead flattened at the tip, and then the arrow blew apart.

Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Like I said, we have a cool video we'll show at the handover event next month, which is emptying an entire magazine of a Tommy gun, which I think is on the order of 50 rounds. You're just going full Al Capone, you know, on the side of the car, shotgun, 9mm,.45.

And you built it like this just for fun? Well, I mean— Because it's cooler? I mean— Because you can? You know, trucks are supposed to be tough, right? Yeah. So is your truck bulletproof?

No, mine is definitely not. Exactly. And if I shot mine with my bow, it would go right through it, 100%. So if you shoot any normal car, unlike in the movies where people hide behind car doors, a car door is basically very thin, mild steel. So if you shoot a gun through like a regular truck, it will go through both doors. So you can't hide behind a car door like they do in the movies. Way back in the day, dating myself,

but the A-team where they would like, you know, there'd be like bullets flying everywhere and they'd be hiding behind the car door. Right. That doesn't work. But it does in a cyber truck. Was there ever a... It's best in apocalyptic technology.

Yeah, well... You never know. It's an amazing car to in apocalyptic technology. Yeah, well... You never know. It's an amazing car to have in the apocalypse. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't it also... Does it still do this thing where the ride height raises? And there's also no regular drivetrain, so there's no axles that are the impediment

to going over rocks and things like that. Yeah, normally in other vehicles, in gasoline or diesel vehicles, you've got the differential, which hangs down low between the rear wheels. So you look under a truck, there's almost always a differential there that's hanging down pretty low. So if you hit the diff on a rock, you'll break it. Yeah.

But there's no... The bottom of the side truck is completely flat and has the best clear height of any vehicle. How far away are we, if it's ever going to happen at all, from having a vehicle that can operate entirely on solar? Well, you've got a surface area thing. So it's about a kilowatt per square meter normal to the sun, roughly. So it really depends on what kind of mileage. You don't have enough surface area to keep the car going just from the car surface area. But if you had something that folded out, you could make it self-sustaining.

Something that folded out so you could park it and then leave it on. Yeah, you'd have to unfold like the Starlink satellites do where you unfold the solar panels. You just need more surface area. Is there any potential for an advancement in technology that would make a smaller area much better at conducting sun? Nothing? No, it's a kilowatt per square meter uh that that's what you're going to get when the sun if you're if you're normal to the sun so 90

degrees to the sun and there's nothing that could accelerate that or no that's just literally the that's just it yeah so then you then you multiply your efficiency by that so if you're commercial panels like maybe 25 efficient if they're a good one. So you get like 250 watts per square meter. There was one car, what was it, like a Fisker that was using a solar panel that claimed that it was operating the electronics, like it could start the radio. Yeah. I mean, you can definitely, you just don't have enough service area for it. But like, you can certainly, you could run a house with solar, with the solar roof, the Tesla solar roof, you can run a house. But it's never going to get to a point where you can just have a car that's made out of solar panels that it could drive around.

It could never be that efficient. Correct. So you don't have enough surface area. What research or what breakthroughs have been made in terms of battery technology? Like how far away are we from having batteries that are far more efficient and last far longer? I know there's some talk of like sodium-based batteries. longer? I know there's some talk of like sodium-based batteries. The battery range is not a problem at this point. I mean, the Model S will go 400 miles,

Model 3, Model Y will do over 300 miles. So, you know, that's more than most people need. So, yeah. Right. But are we, I mean, how far away are we from making batteries that are more efficient? This is, like, we obviously haven't leased the limit of technology. What I'm saying is this is not really a constraint. The point at which you've got a car that can do, let's say, even at highway speeds 250 miles, or let's say 240 miles at 80 miles an hour. Now you're driving for three hours straight. And so if you start a trip at, say, 9 a.m.,

by noon you want to stop for lunch, go to the restroom, grab a coffee. By the time you come back, your car is charged. How long does it take to fully charge? Yeah, like half an hour. Well, you don't want to – people will get used to it because it's a little different. Like for a gasoline car, you'd want to fill it up. For an electric car, you'd want to actually go very close to zero.

And the car can calculate how much range it has with precision. Very close to zero. And the car can calculate how much range it has with precision. So if you, say, enter a road trip in a Tesla, it'll calculate all of the supercharges along the way, where you should stop, how much you should charge. And just let the computer do its thing and it'll work well. So you actually want to charge to about 80% and then run it down all the way to 10% or less. Do you want to do that on everyday use as well or just with long trips? No, just long trips.

If you're trying to minimize the amount of time you stop when charging. So let's say you want to stop for 20, 30 minutes, then you really – it's a little counterintuitive because for a gasoline car, you would fill it up. For a battery, the charge state tapers off as you get above 80%. You can think of it like the – I think the right analogy here is cars in a parking lot. So the lithium ions are trying to find a parking space as they move across from one side of the battery to the other side, from cathode to anode. I mean, there's sort of just these ions are just bouncing around looking for a parking space. So when the parking lot's empty, they can zip right in there and find a spot. It's easy. As the parking lot gets full,

just like trying to find a parking space at a mall, you have to hunt around find a spot. It's easy. As the parking lot gets full, just like trying to find a parking space at a mall, you have to hunt around for a spot. And that's how, that's basically what's going on is the ions are looking for a parking spot. So as the battery gets closer to full, it's harder and harder to find a spot. They have to bounce around more. So it takes longer to get from 80 to 100.

Correct. Getting from 80 to 100, it takes about as much time as getting from zero to 80. Oh. Just think of like the islands you've got to find a parking spot. Oh. And just like if you're in a mall and it's busy, then it takes longer to find a parking spot than if it's empty. So essentially you're satisfied with the technology that's available right now in terms of like the amount of mileage that you get out of it and things along those lines.

Yeah, range is not an issue. Cost is more of an issue. So just to make the car affordable, a long range car needs to be affordable. When you fully roll out, how many of those things, how many Cybertrucks can you guys make a month? We're aiming to make about 200,000 a year at volume production. Wow. Maybe a little more.

But I just can't emphasize enough that manufacturing is much, much harder than the initial design. You know, you can... The Cybertruck was easy to design. I'm not trying to trivialize design. It's just what I'm trying to do is to emphasize the difficulty of manufacturing, which is not understood by the public because there's no movie about it.

So there's lots of movies about the sort of wild adventure in the garage. But the... I'm not aware of any movie about manufacturing. Have you ever heard of a movie about manufacturing? I can't remember any. Jamie? Any movie about manufacturing?

There's one coming to my brain, but I don't think that's what it's even about, so I have no idea. What is that? Michael Keaton was making some cars somewhere. I was going to look it up. I mean, there's Tommy Boy. Yes. Tommy Boy's the only one. That's about as good as I think.

It's a great movie. Yeah. That might be the only one. That's interesting that it's such an immense part of American culture and also the decline of some American cities. I mean, it's famously documented in Roger and Me, which is a great documentary where he just talks about how Flint got destroyed when they pulled out the car manufacturing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a reason why generally politicians really try very hard to get a factory in their area is because it's a massive generator of jobs.

And for every factory job, there's like five, roughly five support jobs. So it's like teachers, electricians, plumbers, lawyers, accountants, restaurants. So manufacturing is kind of like a nucleus from which many jobs spring. That's why it's generally governors and prime ministers and presidents will try so hard to get a factory in their country or region. When you decided to build the Gigafactory and when you decided – just even when you decided to get involved with Tesla, did you have any idea of how difficult this would be? Did you have a preconceived notion? I thought it would be very difficult. I thought our probability of success was less than 10%. Whoa.

Yeah, I mean, it would be foolish to think anything else other than that. I mean, even at this point, the only car companies that have not gone bankrupt are Ford and Tesla, American car companies. General Motors went bankrupt and Chrysler went bankrupt in 2009. There's some chance they'll go bankrupt again. Ford and Tesla barely made it. It was incredibly difficult to keep Tesla alive when General Motors and Chrysler were going bankrupt.

alive when General Motors and Chrysler were going bankrupt. Because manufacturing is the actual hard thing, by far the hard thing. I just can't emphasize that enough, and I hope somebody makes a movie about that. Maybe they should make a movie about Tesla. Sure. Why not? Yeah. Perfect.

Who would you want to play you? I don't care. How about David Spade? Anyone. No? I don't care. How about David Spade? Anyone. No. I don't care. I'm kidding. I don't care if anyone plays me.

But I do think that there's— I just went back to Tommy Boy. Yeah. I know he rocks. So, you know, Jim Folley is the CEO of Ford, and he's Chris Folley's cousin. No way. Yes. Wow. That's crazy. Yes. That's crazy.

Yes. That's crazy. And they look, I mean, they look related. Yeah, there should be a movie. Yeah. I just, you got to get someone good that doesn't fuck it up. Someone doesn't. Well, I mean, the thing is that writers are just disconnected from manufacturing.

They just never see it. Right. And I guess you have to try to create some narrative arc. I mean, there are some shows like How It's Made type of thing, but they're pretty niche. But I know I'm somewhat of a broken record here but I can't emphasize enough that it is insanely difficult

to manufacture makes sense yeah well it particularly makes sense when something that novel something is but ultimately cool as fuck

yeah what has it been like you've you've owned X for a year now oh yeah did you ever wake up in the middle of the night and have a dream that you didn't do it and your life is infinitely easier well it's certainly a recipe for trouble I I suppose, or contention. What was it ultimately that led you to make the decision to do it? I mean, this is going to sound somewhat melodramatic, but I was worried about that it was having a corrosive effect on civilization, that it was just having a bad impact.

And I think part of it is that it's where it was located, which is downtown San Francisco. downtown San Francisco. And while I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and we should really fight hard to kind of right the ship of San Francisco, if you've walked around downtown San Francisco, right near the ex-FKA Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse. I mean, it's rough. Have you been in that area? Not lately, no.

I've heard. It's crazy. I've heard it's crazy. I've heard you It's crazy. I've heard it's crazy. I've heard you really can't believe it until you actually go there. You can't believe it until you go there. So now you have to say, well, what philosophy led to that outcome? And that philosophy was being piped to Earth. So, you know, a philosophy that would be ordinarily quite niche and geographically constrained so that sort of the fallout area would be limited was effectively given an information weapon, an information technology weapon to propagate what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of Earth.

to propagate what is essentially a mind virus to the rest of Earth. And the outcome of that mind virus is very clear if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco. It is the end of civilization. And it's not just propagating the mind virus, but suppressing any opposing viewpoints. Yes. Well, in order for the virus to propagate, it must suppress opposing viewpoints. Because it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Correct. I mean, you've felt the virus. Yeah. People have tried to cancel you so many times. Yeah, it's fascinating. I don't think you're melodramatic at all. I think it's a, I mean, I don't want to be melodramatic, but it's almost like a death cult.

It's a death cult. No, no, that is exactly right. It's essentially the extinctionists. Like it's in the limit. It is that they're propagating the extinction of humanity and civilization. And there's some people who are, like most of the time it's implicit. They don't, but sometimes it's explicit. Like there was a guy on the front page of the New York Times who literally has the thing called the Extinctionist Movement. And he was quoted on the front page of the New York Times

as saying there are 8 billion people on the world, but it would be better if there were none. And I'm like, well, well buddy you can start with yourself does he have friends? that's what always fascinates me well here he is he looks like he's not long for this earth I mean he's not young

voluntary human extinction movement that's hilarious I'd like to party with that dude I would just like to like – That's an explicit version of the death cult. Yeah. Maybe live long and die out. I mean it's not – extinction is a word he uses.

Yes. No. I mean it's literally a self-description. That death cult was in charge of social media. And still largely is at Google and Facebook, by the way. So I'm like, I'm not in favor of human extinction.

They are, and they can go to hell. Well, that guy is. Yeah. He can go to hell. That guy seems silly. I would like to hang out with him, though. I would like to find out what makes him tick. I bet that guy is fascinating. This episode is brought to you by DraftKings.

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So the environmental movement, and I'm an environmentalist, has gone too far. They've gone way too far. If you start thinking that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans should die out. Now, I'm headed to an AI safety, international sort of AI safety conference later tonight, leaving in about three hours.

And I'm going to meet with the British Prime Minister and a number of other people. So you have to say, like, how could AI go wrong? Well, if AI gets programmed by the extinctionists, its utility function will be the extinction of humanity. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, particularly if... They won't even think it's bad, like. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, particularly if...

They won't even think it's bad, like that guy. Right. Yeah. If you let AI... It's messed up. There's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to eugenics. I mean, there would be some radical changes

in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them to survive that may be detrimental in terms of pollution and things like that, but it may be the only solution they have in their area. I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources, but... There's no shortage of power. Like we talked about solar power for cars. The issue is that cars just have a very low service area. But you could actually power the entire United States with 100 miles by 100 miles of solar.

Really? Yes. So you could just pick some dead spot that you fly over. Which they owe plenty. Cover that sucker up with solar panels and charge the whole country. Absolutely. 24-7.

You need batteries, but yes. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, but yes. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's not hard. I mean, it's very feasible. In fact, I mean, the sun is converting over 4 million tons of mass to energy every second. And it's no maintenance. That thing just works.

We have a giant fusion reactor in the sky that is the sun. In fact, people are like, someone's like, well, what about in a radiation? I'm like, the sun is literally a nuclear reactor in the sky. Yeah. Are you scared to go in daylight? Rocks have radiation. Yes. The radiation risk is greatly overestimated.

The radiation risk is greatly overestimated. I always wonder why radiation is always bad in real life, but always awesome in comic books. Yeah, exactly. You get bitten by a radioactive spider, and suddenly you have spider abilities. Get hit with gamma rays, you become the Hulk. What if you're a radioactive cockroach, you'd be like the cockroach man.

Yeah, you could be one of the X-Men. Yeah. Yeah. I think the problem is, like, most people just don't understand what radiation is, and so it just sounds like a mysterious, invisible death ray. Well, it's almost like drugs. Like, we think of it, we put a blanket over it.

Like, it's all one thing. You know, radiation is Chernobyl. Right. I mean, the things you can go to, you can actually tour Chernobyl right now can you really? you can actually go to where the meltdown is well I mean there's a war zone but apart from that

the issue is you know more getting shot than it is you don't have a radiation risk I mean the problem is like I think when people don't understand what radiation is they just they can't see it they can't feel it they think well I could just die at any moment, like from a magic death ray. Right.

You know, I've had people say, like, oh, the radiation from their phone is going to hurt them or they're scared of the microwave. I'm like, when you say radiation, do you mean particles or photons? And if you mean photons, what wavelength? And they're like, I don't know what you mean. They don't know anything about that. Right. They just have, they're afraid of the term. But it's because of Three Mile Island and Fukushima. Yeah, but nobody died of radiation from Fukushima. Not one person.

True. In fact, but I was asked by people in California, like when Fukushima happened, whether the radiation would get to California. And I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And so actually to help support Japan, I flew to Fukushima and ate locally grown vegetables on TV. And I'm still alive. I have a friend, he's very smart, but he won't eat fish out of the Pacific because he's worried about the radiation from Fukushima.

Yeah, that's irrational. There is no physics substance to that, I would say, at all. Not even slightly. I'm going to send him this clip. Yes. Go back to the sushi place, bro. No, you should be... If you eat too much tuna, you're going to have...

Mercury. Yes, correct. Mercury poisoning from tuna is a real thing. You can get arsenic from sardines, too. I found that out the hard way. Really? Yeah. Eat too many sardines?

Yeah, I got my blood work done and the doctor says, you have arsenic in your blood. And I go, is someone poisoning me? He goes, no, it's very low level. It's like, is your girlfriend angry at you? Do you eat a lot of fish? And I said, yeah, I eat like three cans of sardines a night. That's a lot of sardines, man. Yeah, I love sardines.

I mean, it's – I love them. You love sardines. I really do. I've always loved sardines. Okay. I love them. But it turns out like you can't eat too much of it because they –

Yeah, they're not good for you. Okay. Yeah. I mean, a little sardines once in a while, but not three cans a night. Well, for me, it's like I come home late from the comedy club, but I want something easy to eat. I don't want to stop and get fast food, so I open up a few cans of sardines. Watch a little TV, eat a few cans of sardines.

I was doing it every night. And then I stopped doing it, and I got my blood work done a couple months later. It was gone. Yeah. So I don't eat too many sardines. I think anchovies really pep up a Caesar salad. Yeah, they do. I'm a fan.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan of anchovies as well. Yeah. One of my favorite pizzas ever is pineapple and anchovy. Okay. Double pineapple, double anchovy. Wow. It's amazing.

It's the sweet and the salty, and then you got the tomato sauce and the cheese. It's my favorite pizza. Yeah. It's very good. I mean, as a kid, I was very much against Hawaiian pizza, and as an adult, I like it. Hawaiian's good, but I'm telling you, anchovies and pineapple is the bomb diggity. That's the bomb diggity. Okay, I'll give it a shot.

That's the bomb diggity. Wait, can we order some right now? Is that feasible? I bet we could. Okay, let's try it. That'd be sick. Yeah. I can do it.

We'll have someone out there. Have Jeff order a very large pizza with double pineapple, double anchovies. Great. Fantastic. I'm hungry. Let's fucking go. Yes, LFG. Let's fucking go.

No time like the present. Enjoy life. Well, there's got to be a good spot around here. Tell them we'll find a good spot and tell them it's for us. They'll cook it up. If they won't. Don't judge on the pizza. Tell them we'll mention it up. If they won't... Don't judge on the pizza. Tell them we'll mention their name.

Tell them we'll mention their name on the podcast. Don't tell them it's us. Tell them it's us. Fuck it. If they're going to close, tell them we'll mention their name. What is this salty sauce that's so mysterious? Oh, no. Right.

Don't tell them it's us. Good call. Yeah, Don't tell them it's us. Good call. Yeah, don't tell them it's us. Make sure you don't buy it from any liberals. What is the salty, tangy substance on that? Don't buy it from East Austin. Don't buy it from anyone who still wears a mask. There's a lot of them out there.

There's a lot of them out there. They're still masked up. It's wild. Yeah, once in a while I see someone paranoid. I'm like... On the street? Yeah. I saw a guy on the street the other day just walking around with a mask on.

I'm like, okay, buddy. You look like you're about 28 years old. Yeah. I think you're going to be okay. Be okay, yeah. You're probably not going to be okay breathing that fucking same air in that mask and all the bacteria you're spitting out. Yeah.

It's attaching to that cloth. Yeah. Masks are not like some magic health shield. I mean, there are times where, you know, a mask is warranted, like if a surgeon is operating on you or whatever, then you don't want the surgeon spitting in your wound, you know?

Of course. But most of the time, a mask is not good for you. Yeah, if you can breathe out of it, that means you're breathing in. That means you're also exhaling. So how much is it filtering? Particles? I'd say a mask is much like sort of a shield in battle in that it'll help protect you a little bit from arrows and stuff,

but it doesn't make you arrow-proof. We're just talking about shooting arrows and stuff. Right. I mean, there are times when masks are warranted, but most of the time it's actually counterproductive. Well, that was one of the things about the old Twitter was the propaganda and the adherence to whatever the CDC was saying and the dismissing of legitimate scientists, guys like Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford and legit guys. Yes. And they were suppressing them and even banning them. They banned Alex Berenson.

I mean, it was wild. They banned Alex for essentially reading peer-reviewed papers. Yeah. I mean, all Twitter was basically an arm of the government. Yeah. Was that shocking? What was that like? To me, that was the most bizarre, was the Twitter files.

When you let Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those guys get in the response where Matt Taibbi gets audited. I mean, which is just wild. I mean, it's just so blatant and so in your face. Yeah, it's weird. No, I mean, the degree to which, and by the way, Jack didn't really know this, but the degree to which Twitter was simply an arm of the government was not well understood by the public. And it was, there was no, it was whatever the official government, it was like Pravda, basically. You know, it's a state publication is the way to think of old Twitter. It's a state publication.

And was the justification from their perspective that they are progressive liberals, they have the right intentions, it's important that they stay in power, the progressive liberals. They have the right intentions. It's important that they stay in power, that progressive liberals stay in government and power because this is their... There was basically oppression of any views that would even, I would say, be considered middle of the road. But certainly anything on the right, I'm not talking about like far right,

I'm just talking mildly right. The people, like Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats. Now that's because old Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the far left. It was like completely controlled by the far left. And that's why I say like San Francisco, Berkeley is a niche ideology. It's hard to say like is there a place that's more far left than San Francisco, Berkeley?

Maybe Portland. Maybe Portland. But it's like – Right there. Yeah. It's those two places are the most far left places in America. Yes. So from their standpoint, everything is to the right, including moderates.

Right, right. So if you internalize a far left position, everything seems wrong to you that is not far left. Right. And so they naturally oppressed anything that didn't agree with their views. That's why I say that it was an accidental far left information weapon. So because it's like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest engineers, the smartest sort of technologists and programmers from around the world. They created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the far left,

who could not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be co-located where the technologists were. And happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it. The technologists generally are moderate, maybe moderate left, but they're not far left. That's why I say San Francisco, Berkeley, it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to Palo Alto. So SF Berkeley is the most far left, perhaps in a competition with Portland, but I'd say SF Berkeley is more far left even than Portland. Like literally in America, we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10-mile radius.

And so normally the negative effects of a far left ideology that would be geographically limited to a 10-mile radius. That's like not – it's small. So any bad effects of that ideology would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past. But when you have basically a technological megaphone, which was Twitter and social media in general, suddenly the far left are handed a megaphone to Earth, an incredibly powerful technology weapon that

they themselves could not create, but they happen to be co-located with the technologists who created it by accident. Is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is? I think some people understand. Some people do. Some people understand. So, I mean, from the standpoint of some people who used to be at Twitter, the people are like, well, it's a big shift to the right.

That is correct. It is a shift to the right because everything is to the right if you're far left. Everything is to the right. But how many far left people have actually been suspended or banned from Twitter now X? Zero. So it's really just moved to the center, but from the perspective of the far left, it's moved to the right. Everything's relative. The difference in moderation- I should say, it propagated that far left philosophy not just to America, but to everywhere on earth.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And with the same level of suppression in other countries as well? Yes. But the Taliban is on Twitter, right? Like, I always think of, like, hey, Mr. Taliban, tally me a banana. Hey, Mr. Taliban, tally me a banana.

I mean, but there's definitely some people on Twitter that are. Daylight coming, I want to go. Yeah, so the point is that from my standpoint is that X, F, K, Twitter should represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity. They represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity. So now that means that there are going to be views on there that you don't like or disagree with. But that's humanity. So are you going to exclude them or not? Now, I mean, if somebody breaks the law, then the account is suspended. I mean, if they

actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended. We do have what we call like the kind of United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have't exist, for example. But he's allowed to go to the UN building in New York. And in fact, generally officials from Iran do in fact go to the UN building in New York, even though they're a heavily sanctioned country. So I think that there's merit to having, just like there's some merit to the UN. One can disagree with the UN, and I think we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to. In fact, that's risky for civilization.

But I think you do want to have the leaders of countries represented on social media. You want to hear what they have to say, even if what they say is terrible. I think that is true across the board. And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's humanity. And I think it's important that a social media platform, especially the biggest one, represents humanity so we understand what we're talking about. Because if we have this distorted idea of what people think and want and need because everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble and anything outside of that bubble

gets censored, then that changes, literally changes the tone of the entire country. Changes what people think is okay and not okay. It makes people feel differently. It's not humanity. It's different. It's a very forced version of humanity. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So, I mean, the whole point of free speech, free speech is only relevant.

The First Amendment is only relevant if you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like. Because if you like it, you don't need a First Amendment. So the whole point of free speech is that, frankly, even people you hate say things you hate because if people you hate can say things that you hate, that means that they can't stop you from saying what you want to say, which is very, very important. Right, but the problem with Twitter is it was not the case. Correct.

It was people that you hate couldn't say. Anyone they didn't like, they censored. Yeah. Or what's called de-amplify. Well, not just de-amplify, but under the behest of the government would suppress real news, which was very bizarre. Yes. So they were very aware of something being accurate and they still suppressed it because the government wanted them to suppress it. I mean, in my view, there have been severe First Amendment violations by multiple government agencies.

And there should be repercussions for that. And is it, do different laws apply because it's a privately owned social media company? I mean, what laws do apply in terms of like, when you're looking at it, one of the arguments that the leftists would use is it's a private company, they can do whatever they want. Yeah, it's funny that when the shoe's on the other foot, they now say the private company can't do whatever it wants. Well, yeah. Now they're upset. But the government itself is not allowed to censor speech. But in my view, the government de facto did censor a speech. And there should at least be a case that is heard by the public.

Because if the government severely coerces a platform, sort of coerces the press, then I think that is or should be a First Amendment violation. Well, they can't do it with other media forms, right? They're not allowed to do it with any other media. They're not allowed to. Right, if they try to do that with a newspaper, they'd get in trouble. Or would they? You know, that's the question. It's like you didn't know about the federal government.

You didn't know about the intelligence agencies inside of Twitter until we found out. Do you think that this is ubiquitous? It's absolutely, all the social media companies, in fact, right now, X or, you know, formerly known as Twitter, is the only one that is not kowtowing to the government.

It's the only one. There isn't, all the others just do exactly what the government wants. That is wild. Yes. What I was getting at, do you think that that's everywhere? Do you think that that's CNN? Do you think that that's the New York Times? Do you think that that's the Washington Post? Because if they were going to infiltrate media, they were going to infiltrate social media. I mean, it is weird the degree to which the media is in lockstep.

Like, why is the media in lockstep? And why doesn't the media question the government? They used to. Why don't they do that anymore? Seems weird. Something doesn't add up. What do you think? Well, there seems like there's a bunch of factors, right? I think one of the big factors is pharmaceutical drug companies allowed to advertise on television.

And we're one of two countries in the world that allow that. I actually agree with pharmaceutical advertising provided it's truthful. Because there could be some drug that is helpful to someone, but obviously the claims need to be accurate. So I actually think pharmaceutical advertising, if it is accurate, and I think it actually, you know, play devil's advocate here, I think pharmaceutical advertising is generally accurate. I think that's actually okay. Now, I should say that a lot of the censorship that we see is coming from, indirectly from advertisers and advertising agencies and from PR companies who want a

particular viewpoint pushed or are being driven by nonprofits to push a particular, what will happen is there'll be a sort of a group of nonprofits or, you know, that push advertisers to advertise or not advertise a particular platform. And often he has the sort of George Soros boogeyman. But, I mean, Soros actually, you know, he is, I believe, the top contributor to the Democratic Party. The second one was Sam Backward Freed. So, and Soros, I don't know. I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing. And in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity.

That's my opinion. Really? Yeah. I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization. You know, getting DAs elected who refuse to prosecute crime. That's part of the problem in San Francisco and LA and a bunch of other cities.

So why would you do that? Was it humanity or is it just the United States as a whole? I mean, he's pushing things to other countries too. He's doing the same thing? Yeah. Now, George at this point is pretty old. I mean he's not – he's basically a bit senile at this point.

But I mean he – and he's very smart. And he's very good at arbitrage. Famously, he shorted the British pound. That's sort of how I think he made his first money was shorting the pound. So he's good at spotting basically arbitrage, like spotting value for money that other people don't see. So one of the things he noticed was that the value for money in local races is much higher than it is in national races. So the lowest value for money is a presidential race. Then next lowest value for money is a Senate race, then a Congress.

But once you get to sort of city and state district attorneys, the value for money is extremely good. And Soros realized that you don't actually need to change the laws. You just need to change how they're enforced. If nobody chooses to enforce the law or the laws are differentially enforced, it's like changing the laws. That's what he figured out. It's an arbitrage. That this trend, that people haven't pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course? They're pulling the brakes? Yeah. Yeah. Pull pulled the brakes on this and have it reverse course? I'm pulling the brakes?

Yeah. Yeah, pulling the brakes right now. Yeah, you are. But you might be the only one. Well, I think more people should. Most people just don't want to rock the boat. Most people are looking for acceptance from society and they're, you know, if there's some negative press article, they're like shattered. I couldn't give it down.

Right. Go ahead. Make my day. Well, it's fascinating. If you're a high profile public figure like yourself, like yourself, it's impossible to make everybody happy. So there's going to be someone who says something shitty about you. Yeah. Somehow or another when it's in print, does that mean more?

Because other people are going to see this shitty thing? Well, I guess— That's where it gets odd. Because essentially an article in the New York Times is just a single person's opinion and whatever editor gets involved. It's just a lot of people will read that. I mean, less people these days than in the past. But I think people know that now. People know that now.

I find the New York Times these days to be hard to read. Well, unfortunately, they make some grave errors. Yeah. Like that Hamas bombing the – Hamas? No. Hamas bombing the- Hamas? No. The Israeli bombing the hospital story. Yes.

It's delicious. It didn't need chickpeas. I mean, that- I think we should cut off chickpea exports. That'll bring them to the knees right away. What do you do? Take a chip and dip it in nothing? What we need to do is introduce them to pineapple and anchovy pizza.

I hope that's coming. Is that coming? Do we have a pizza name, like a company? I'll get some information. I want to make sure it's a good one, though. Pizza Leone. Oh, that's legit. It's pretty close.

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Yeah. My hat is off. I mean, that is like great. my hat is off. That is great. Absolutely. Late night food. I appreciate the fun. If you can get a really good late night meal, hats off or wigs off. 100%. Yeah. I'm a giant fan of very good late night food. And that's one of the things that Los Angeles really used to have. They had a Pacific dining cart where you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day. Really?

That's great. Yeah. I don't know if it's still open in downtown LA. I believe the one in Santa Monica closed, but a Pacific dining cart in downtown LA

was a legit steakhouse and you get it. We would leave the comedy store two, three in the morning, get a legit steak. That's cool. Is that still open?

Temporarily closed. Ah, fucking COVID got them. COVID just took out so many restaurants. It's crazy. Is that still open? Temporarily closed. Ah, fucking COVID got them. COVID just took out so many restaurants. It's crazy. It's not coming back. Their website seems to be down, too. Yeah, they're not coming back. Motherfucker.

COVID got 70% of the restaurants in LA at one point. Wow. Not COVID, I should say. Policies. Lockdowns. The mind virus. I mean, it's just crazy. Well, that's why I moved here.

One of the reasons why I moved here is we came here in May of 2020 and you could go indoors and eat in restaurants. And my kids who were pretty young at the time, 10 and 12, they were like, we want to live here. It's like they're freaked out. Like L.A. was weird. Yeah. I mean, for most of COVID, I was actually in South Texas building this Starship factory. And, you know, we're just, yeah, no masks, no nothing, just building a factory, building rockets. And then, you know, you would have teams from California visit all masked up.

And they'd freak out that we don't have masks. And we're like, we're still alive, man. Yeah. So. Did you lose anybody? Did anybody from your factory die of COVID? Not that I'm aware of, no. So part of it is that, like, that I kind of saw a dress rehearsal, which is that, you know, I kind of started in Wuhan.

And so Tesla's got 20 uh, the 20,000 employees in, in China. Um, and so the, you know, the first wave happened in China and, and we had nobody died or got seriously ill. I was like, okay, well like this is, you know, can't be that bad if, and, and, and we're not relying on government statistics. We literally know who should opt for work, you know? Right. Did the bad, did they badge in or not?

And we had no one die and no one got seriously ill. So I'm like, well, I don't know what the big deal is. Well, there's a problem that people still want to stick to this initial narrative that they believed and that they espoused. They repeated it. And so they'll still fight you on this today. People still fight you today on the merits of the lockdowns, the importance of vaccine mandates, closing schools. There's people that stated an opinion in 2020, and they still are doing mental gymnastics to try to make it seem like that was the right choice.

No, it was just a panic. Yeah. And a lot of deaths got ascribed to COVID that had nothing to do with COVID. And in fact, I'd say in the beginning, the cure is worse than the disease. Because people panic too much. And so that somebody would get diagnosed with COVID, they put them on intubated ventilator for a week, and this was going to basically cook your lungs.

So if you're on pure O2 under pressure with a tube stuck down your throat and under anesthetic, this is very bad for you. It's one thing if you do that for a couple hours for an operation, but you do that for a week, it's going to roast your lungs. The air that we're breathing right now is 78% nitrogen, 1% argon, about 21% oxygen, and it's so miscellaneous. So if you ask most people, what are you breathing? They say oxygen.

No, you're breathing nitrogen. Only about a fifth of it is oxygen, and there's about 1% argon. So I know quite a lot about life support systems because we make spaceships. And you have to keep people alive in a vacuum. So you've got to say, OK, what percentage nitrogen, what percentage oxygen are you going to do? What's the pressure going to be? And so sea level pressure is about 15 pounds per square inch. And the partial pressure of oxygen at 20, being 20%, is therefore roughly three pounds per square inch of oxygen. So in a spacecraft, you want to, and especially if you're in a space suit, you want to lower the pressure.

So you want to keep the oxygen, still get people enough oxygen to function, obviously, but you want to lower the nitrogen content so that you don't have a spacesuit that's at 15 PSI because at 15 PSI, you just pop out like a balloon. It's hard to move. So you want to try to lower the pressure down to around

6, 7 PSI, maybe even 5 PSI. So you'd lower it to, you know, try to keep the oxygen, partial pressure of oxygen roughly the same. So maybe around 3 PSI and then 3 PSI of nitrogen. So you got 50-50 mix of nitrogen and oxygen. And then you see it's getting pretty hot into that wig. Yeah, I'm tired now.

I'm in a while. I just felt like getting hot too. I'm sweating. I mean, it's going to be sweaty and itchy. A little bit. Yeah, I talked out. I made it a while. I just felt like getting hot chowder. I'm sweating. I mean, it's got to be sweaty and itchy. A little bit. Yeah. I can't believe people

wear them all day. Yeah. So, they were getting I know a thing or two about keeping people alive in a vacuum, you know?

Right. So, you know, we designed the life support system for keeping humans alive in a vacuum, in the vacuum of space, which is very difficult. So we know quite a lot about what it takes to keep people alive.

So you don't want to feed people, you know, 100% oxygen. That's actually for an extended period of time. This is not good for you. Well, 80% of the people they put on ventilators died. Yeah. So in fact, I actually posted about that because I called doctors in Wuhan and said, what are the biggest mistakes that you made on the first wave? Those were early on. And they said, we put far too many people on intubated ventilators. So then I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said, hey, what I'm hearing from Wuhan is that

they made a big mistake in putting people on intubated ventilators for an extended period. And that this is actually what is damaging the lungs, not COVID. It's the treatment. The cure is worse than the disease. And people yelled at me and said, I'm not a doctor. I'm like, yeah, but I do make spaceships with life support systems. What do you do? I like that.

I twiddle knobs. I'm like, okay, great. Rock on. you do i like that i twiddle knobs i'm like okay great yeah rock on well again it was there was this very bizarre narrative that you had to believe everything that the government was telling you you had to believe everything the cdc was telling you and that even as it time went on and we realized hey it looks like this came from a fucking lab. Like, even as time went on, disputing that would get you banned. It would get you kicked off of YouTube. Yeah. I think to this day, there's certain things you're not allowed to say in regards to the vaccine on YouTube.

As I said, the only media that does not have crazy censorship at this point is X. Yeah. That I'm aware of. Everyone else, everything else is censored. Spotify isn't. That's why this can have this kind of... Good for Daniel Ack. Oh, Daniel Ack's the man.

Yeah, he's great. I love that dude. And, you know, I think more companies should follow suit. I don't think it has to be this way. Fortunately for us, they're in Sweden. In Stockholm, Sweden, they have a very different perspective... You got a syndrome....on all this way. Fortunately for us, they're in Sweden. In Stockholm, Sweden, they have a very different perspective on all this shit. Yeah. What is wild about nitrogen is that that's mostly nitrogen from fertilizer we

suck out of the air. Sorry, what do you mean? Most of the nitrogen for fertilizer we suck out of the air. Yeah, yeah. One of the, actually actually the big inventions in chemistry was binding nitrogen. Nitrogen is actually fairly inert. So it's quite hard to actually pull nitrogen out of there and bind it into like ammonia. Like basically the process for creating ammonia was actually very important. The Haber method.

Yeah. Fritz Haber. Yeah. Same guy who invented Zyklon gas. The Haber method. Yeah. Fritz Haber. Yeah.

Same guy who invented Zyklon gas. But it was actually very important to bind nitrogen from the air to fertilizer. So that actually was, frankly, a life-saving invention at scale because you just run out of nitrogen. So pure nitrogen is a low-energy state, so to try to bind it into a fertilizer requires a lot of energy to do that. It's quite tricky. So that was a very important breakthrough. Yeah, I read that 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body comes from that method. Yeah, I read that 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body comes from that method.

50% of the nitrogen in most people's body that they've consumed from food. Oh, yeah, yeah, because of photomaterialization. Yeah, because of that Hopper method. That might be true. It was a fundamental problem for most of civilization is how do you get nitrogen for the plants. The limiting factor in fact even in the rainforest is like the nitrogen is bound nitrogen. When you do eventually colonize Mars, what's the idea in terms of terraforming? Is it contained ecosystems that are under domes? What are you planning on doing to make it habitable?

Well, at first, you would have to have a life support system because Mars has a low-density atmosphere, only about 1% the density of Earth, and it's primarily CO2. Now, over time, you can terraform Mars. Terraform means make it like Earth, essentially. And if you warm Mars up, you will, there's a bunch of frozen CO2 that will evaporate, densify the atmosphere, and you'd actually want kind of global warming on Mars. Because Mars is about 50% further away from the sun than the Earth. So it gets about less than half the solar energy that Earth does. And it's believed at one point in time, Mars had a much different environment, right? It appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans, albeit a long time ago.

There's a lot of ice. So Mars is covered in ice. And now the ice is then covered in dust mostly except at the poles. So there's a lot of ice. In fact, I believe if Mars was warmed up, you'd have an ocean about a mile deep on 40% of the planet. So it's quite a lot of water. And do we think that it was like that at one point in time? The evidence suggests that it is most likely that Mars had liquid water.

What's the prevailing theory of its demise? Well, just over time, the solar system cooled. So Earth used to be much harder. Like, the very early Earth was like molten rock. You know, so really almost nothing could survive in the beginning. We were just a wall of lava. We're still mostly a wall of lava. We're like creme brulee.

There's a thin crust, and it's mushy rock, very hot, mushy rock underneath. And technically that rock is in a semi-solid state, but as soon as it gets to a low pressure, like pops out of the ocean, you have a volcano obviously with lava. So it's – at surface ambient pressure, we're basically covered in liquid rock. Are you aware – A thin crust on liquid rock.

Are you aware of the origin myth of the Dogon tribe? No. There's a tribe in, I believe it's a tribe in, I forget what part of Africa, but they believe that they came from Mars and that there was a civilization that left Mars many, many eons ago. And it's a really weird theory because they know some things about Mars. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they didn't come from Mars. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure too. But I mean it's – Do they have any spaceships? If they don't have any spaceships, then I'm like – I don't believe it.

Well – If they do have a spaceship, I'll believe it. If you parked a spaceship, how many thousands of years? If you parked a metal spaceship. Like if you left a Cybertruck in the desert, how many thousands of years do you think it would be there for before it's gone? If it got buried in dirt, we'd find it even like a million years from now. A million? Yeah.

Wow. Really? Well, what you'd find is – Because it's stainless steel. So it would have to be some sort of an alloy. It's kind of like... But iron wouldn't, right? Yeah, but you'd have something similar to fossils, basically.

Like the fossils, they essentially discolor the rock. So eventually, whatever the fossil is... And sometimes they're fossils like in amber or something like that, where it still does survive more or less intact. But, I mean, there's fossilized, like, dinosaur fossils and tree fossils. Essentially remineralized, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So you'd see it like a Cybertruck shape in the rock, basically. Oh. Yeah. But that's it. You wouldn't find the actual Cybertruck. No. So if they did have a spaceship and it came here 30,000 years ago. Yeah, but that's it. You wouldn't find the actual Cybertruck. So if they did have a spaceship and it came here 30,000 years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah.

We'd definitely find evidence of it. Well, I mean, if it was one spaceship, maybe not. But if it was a lot of them, sure. That is the origin myth of the Dogon tribe, right? Am I getting that right? Mars specifically. It's a hidden star in the Sirius system. Oh, it's somewhere else. Yeah.

You cannot be Sirius. Sirius XM. It's just very strange when people have this bizarre origin myth. Like, I wonder who was the first one to tell them they came from stars. origin myth. I wonder who was the first one to tell them they came from stars. And when we eventually do, I mean,

how bizarre. Imagine if you're successful, we eventually do colonize Mars, and you're correct. Earth winds up through human folly or natural disaster getting wiped out.

And there's only the colony on Mars. And that colony exists for 10,000, 20,000 years. And they have their origin myth that we all came from Earth. I mean, ultimately, if this does happen, you do colonize Mars, and Earth does get destroyed, and if a period of time takes place, like look at the period, like at least the conventional timeline of the Great Pyramid, which is 4,500 years ago. 5,000 years.

Yeah. So that's not that much time. It's not that much time. No, I mean if. It's nothing on the galactic timescale. Right. So if we're talking 20,000, 30,000 years from now on Mars, people talk about Times Square and what Earth used to be like.

I mean, it is – I think there's some debate. It's like how do you say what the – when did civilization start? And I'd say like probably from the first writing. And the first writing is only 5,500 years old. It's worth reading about the history of writing. But only 5,500 years old. Yeah. It's worth reading about the history of writing, but only 5,500 years? And one has to credit basically the ancient Sumerians who aren't around anymore with the first writing.

Are you aware, though, that there's hieroglyphs that depict a history of Egypt that goes back far longer, maybe even 30,000 plus years ago. But archaeologists dismiss it because they think that that's mythical. But nonconventional archaeologists who believe in what's called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. OK. That somewhere around 11,800 years ago, civilization was essentially all but wiped out by common impacts. OK. 1800 years ago civilization is essentially all but wiped out by common impacts Okay, and that that is the reason why they keep finding these in

insanely old Huge structures megalithic structures that are carved out of stone like when you go to back to like go Beckley Tepe Which is eleven thousand six hundred years ago. Okay, that's that's an insanely old Structure that they didn't even know people were capable of building until they discovered it in the 1990s. So the conventional timeline of people, when you go to 11,600 years ago, it was just hunter-gatherers. But now that they have Gobekli Tepe with its 3D carved things. Have you seen Graham Hancock's amazing series on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse? I know.

You should check it out. It's amazing. But it's about that. It's all about that there's a lot of physical evidence of an advanced civilization from far, far, far longer ago than we have conventionally dated, which is ancient Sumer, which is, we put it about 6,000 years ago. Yeah. Like the first, it's difficult to date with precision, but, or at least to within a few hundred years, but roughly 5,500 years, like if you say like, what is the oldest like stone

tablet? Yeah. Because this is, you know, if you're like an archeologist, if you were to discover something older than that, you'd be very famous. It's like they really looked hard. Yeah. And 5,500 years really is kind of the – if you say like any kind of evidence that I've seen that is actually substantial, writing is 5,500 years old. Yeah, in terms of writing.

Yeah. In terms of writing. Yeah. Well, what they believe is that there's very little left of this ancient civilization other than things like the pyramids, other than things like the Sphinx. There's a geologist that really stuck his neck out. His name is Dr. Robert Shock from Boston University. And what he said was his theory is that there's deep water erosion all over the temple of the Sphinx where the Sphinx was carved out of that is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time they had rainfall in the Nile Valley was around 9000 B.C. So what he believes is because back then the whole Nile Valley was a lush rainforest and eventually receded into desert. OK.

Yeah. So the entire that whole area like even the sahara used to be rich rainforest and it receded into what it is now but if you go back then he believes that's when that thing was constructed and he said the physical geol the geologists look at it and if they if he shows it to them in terms of like just shows an image of the erosion and doesn't tell them where it is, almost all of them will say that's water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall. I think even if you say like, okay, even if you say like, okay, civilization is like 9,000 years old, there's still nothing. Nothing, yeah. So, you know, we're still talking about like a very tiny fraction of Earth's existence. Like the geological evidence suggests the Earth is

about four and a half billion years old. So human civilization has been around for roughly one millionth of Earth's existence. Yeah. Which is basically nothing. And even if it's 10,000 years since... Even if it's 30,000 years ago, it's still nothing. Yeah. What they're saying, though, is that civilization is insanely fragile. That's exactly. And much, much more fragile than I think we realize. Yes.

Absolutely. I think we should view civilization as being fragile. Yeah, but we don't. It's one of the weird things about people is that unless the threat is in front of us it's abstract unless it's like really is the pizza here oh yeah pizza's here yeah i mean civilization no actually one like one of my sons who is a saxon he has these profound observations um you know he asked me what was la like 4 000 years I'm like, it wasn't around. And he said, what will it be like 4,000 years from now?

Probably buried under rubble, I guess. Probably very similar to what it was like 4,000 years ago. Yeah, exactly. Except less radioactive. And he asked me, did they speak English 4,000 years ago? I'm like, nope. It's like, will they speak English 4,000 years from now? Probably not. I should point out that I never eat pizza. Here we go. Will they speak English 4,000 years from now?

Probably not. I should point out that I never eat pizza. Really? No. Never. Why not? Because it's not really good for you. Well, I don't think anyone's going to accuse pizza of being the healthiest thing in the world.

This looks awesome. That does look awesome. You want a plate, Jimmy? Yeah. Get in there, sir. Grab a piece. All right, sick. Let's go.

This is awesome. And what's the name of this pizza place again? Pizza Leone. Pizza Leone? Yep. Shout out to Pizza Leone. Oh, yeah. That really hits the spot. That's legit.

I mean, I'm no Dave Portnoy. I'm not like a pizza analyst. He'll probably... I'm not going to rate it. It's excellent. Is Portnoy really gets into pizza? Oh, man. Oh, man.

Ever seen Portnoy's videos where he analyzes pizza? Oh, my God. It was like a whole method. Okay. Is that a number system? All right. He's into the crust and the flop and all these different things. Wow.

Yeah. Everybody knows the rules. Yeah. What is his? Everybody knows the rules. One bite. You only get one bite of a pizza? Yeah. What is his? Everybody knows the rules. One bite. You only get one bite of a pizza? Yeah. One bite to taste it.

That's the rule. He bites into it, and then he just starts nodding his head. He's basically like a sommelier of pizza. Pizza, sommelier, okay. Yeah. And is there, like, what's his favorite pizza joint? It's always cheese. Oh, the favorite one.

That's the, everyone wants to know that. It's always cheese. Yeah. We spend so much time on pizza. And it's New Haven. New, the favorite one. That's the, everyone wants to know that. It's always cheese. Yeah. We spend so much time on pizza. And it's New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut. Really?

Yeah. For some reason, the Italians that moved to New Haven, Connecticut really figured pizza out. Like, they have insane pizza in New Haven, Connecticut. Okay.

Yeah. Like, really, like, legendary. I've had it. There was a comedy club I used to work out there called The Joker's Wild. And I had New Haven pizza. Even back then. It's just really good pizza.

Well, okay. I don't know why, though. It seems like something that could be replicated. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not like rocket ship. Yeah. yeah exactly yeah it's not like

rocket chips yeah the thing is the people that are making pizza are not like the people that are making rocket chips if they were

they would replicate yeah they would go what are these guys doing let's back engineer it sure can't be that hard you know

all these secret sauces and shit well fuck what's in there yeah Let's back engineer it. Sure. Can't be that hard. You know? All these secret sauces and shit. Well, fuck what's in there? Yeah. Well, I was hungry. It's good though, right? Mm-hmm. The combination of pineapple and anchovy, surprisingly good, right?

Yeah. And that was the first pineapple anchovy pizza they ever made there. I don't see it on their menu very often. Nobody's ordering that shit. I used to order it when I would order for delivery. They'd go, are you sure? I'm like, don't you think I know what I'm doing?

I'm ordering it. Now with extra arsenic. Mmm. This is good. This is good. This is good. You know why I don't eat this stuff, though. Because I cannot stop. That's a problem.

This pizza's too delicious. Oh, so good. High calorie, high carbohydrate foods. Once they start going down the hatch, they don't want to stop. Carbs are the devil. Oh, they are the devil. Remember? They used to be the base of the food chain.

Yeah. The whole pyramid. The full pyramid. The bottom of the food pyramid was carbs. The food pyramid. What would the Egyptians say? We're out of our fucking mind. What are you eating?

Yeah, exactly. This stuff is just... That's the bizarre thing about... It's like Fourth of July in your mouth. How many human beings eat just processed food? Like, the majority of their diet is processed food. Like, the entire center of the supermarket is shit you really probably shouldn't eat. Except every now and then.

It's good, Jamie. I bet. You want one? I don't. You seem offended. No, it's two of my not, like, favorite. I don't like either of those things, honestly. Have you tried it?

It's not my. I feel like you should try it. I understand. I feel like I should, too. This show's all about trying it. We shot an arrow at a car. I'm just not going to like it, and I don't want to offend Pizza Leone. I like that place.

I won't be offended. All right. It's hard to mess with pizza, frankly. Unlike the creeps who used to run Twitter, I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me. I just don't like fish, to be that honest with you. I've tried it many times, and I still haven't liked it yet. I don't think today's going to be the day that I'm going to be won over. You like any fish?

Not really, no. You ever go fishing? I can do crab meat, yeah, but I don't like the whole product. Do you like sushi? No. Wow. I'm going to try some of Phillip's on Thursday, though. You're going to try it, but you don't like fish?

I'm like DC. I'm afraid of that whole thing. I've talked to Phillip about it in detail. Okay. I don't eat fish that often. I like it. Yeah. It's particularly good when you catch it yourself and eat it fresh.

Fresh fish really is way better. Way better. Way better. Yeah, fish goes bad quick. Unlike meat. Yeah. Meat, you can let quick. Yeah. Unlike meat. Yeah. Like, meat, you can, like, let it sit around for a while. Kind of marinate.

Before you cook. You don't marinate fish, I think. Well, they do. They actually dry-age fish. Okay. Yeah, a lot of places dry-age fish. Dry-age the fish. Yeah, I didn't know that.

I wasn't aware of that, but that's actually a common practice to dry-age fish for certain sushi dishes, like really gourmet places. Have you ever been to Sushi by Scratch? Is that in town? Yeah, it's just outside of town. He used to run Sushi Bar, and then he sold it. It's my friend Philip Franklin Lee. He's a Michelin star chef. He used to run Sushi Bar in town.

He sold that, and then he opened up Sushi by Scratch. But because of the contractual obligations, he has to be outside of the Austin proper, so he's about 30 miles away. It's fucking fantastic. If you like sushi, it's like the best sushi you'll ever eat. Okay. I mean, it's really insane. I say that with—you eat it, and you're like, Jesus Christ, the best sushi of all time.

Sushi by Scratch? Mm-hmm. They have ones in Miami. Where do they have it now? Chicago. They've got a bunch of them. It's not allowed to do it in Austin? No, it's not in Austin proper.

I think once his contract is up, you know, he had a non-compete in Austin for like three years or something. I don't know how long it was. Maybe eventually he'll open up one in Austin, but it's about 30 minutes outside of it. What city is it again? Cedar? Cedar Creek. It's out at the Lost Pines area. Yeah. It's 30 minutes. It's no big deal.

Sushi Price Scratch. Got it. Yeah. It's the shit. Let me know if you want to go. I'll look it up. Yeah, sure. It's awesome. It's really worth it. If you like sushi, it's a mind blower. It's a mind. Let me know if you want to go. I'll hook it up. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's awesome. It's really worth it. If you like sushi, it's a mind blower. It's a mind blower. And it's omakase. So you sit down, they bring you food.

That's it. That looks good. It's pretty fucking cool. Have you been to Matsuhisa in LA? Yes. The omakase bar there is great. Yes. That place is outstanding.

Yeah. Yeah. I love good sushi. And one of the things that's amazing is how many good restaurants there are in Austin. I mean, for a city that's relatively small. Good restaurants for Capita is excellent. Amazing. Yeah.

And they're so good. There's so many artisan restaurants. We just found a new one that Brian Simpson told us about. It's called Bacalar. Okay. It's this Mexican restaurant that's in town. Fantastic. Really good. Yeah's called Bacalar. Okay. It's this Mexican restaurant that's in town. Fantastic. Really good.

Yeah. They just opened up. I think they're only open for like six weeks. So shout out to them. Just ate there the other night. Okay. It's just there's so many

good places here. Yeah. Like you can't have a bad restaurant in this town. You will go under quickly. So the competition is strong. There's so much competition and it's like,

and there's so much variety. Yeah. All kinds of- A lot of good restaurants in the town. Yeah. That's amazing. You know, I remember, uh, we were hanging out at your place like way back in the day when I first moved here and you, you said something very prophetic when all this was happening. Like Austin's about to go supernova. Yeah. Kind of did. Yeah. It's a boom town. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. Legitimately. Yep. And with the Gigafactory, I mean, how many jobs have you brought into Austin

from that factory alone? Well, we're about 10,000 direct-ish, and then I think 50,000 indirect. It's a lot. That's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah. I mean, there's only too many people in the greater Austin area.

I know, that's crazy. In fact, the kind of limiting factor for growth is just finding enough people. Oh. Yeah. This is terrible for sound. People are just going to have to deal with it. Like the subtitle, Chewing Sounds. This is my last piece.

Subtitle, Chewing Sounds. People are going to have to deal with it. This is subtitle Chewing Sounds. This is my last piece. Subtitle Chewing Sounds. People are gonna have to deal with it. This is my last piece. Are you taking it away? You son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. I've certainly

eaten my full. Yeah, take it away. I'll keep going. I'll eat the whole fucking thing. That's the problem with me and carbs. Yeah, carbs are awesome.

Yeah, I know. It's like... I feel good though. I mean, there's dopamine explosion from carbs. Yeah, I know. It's like a... I feel good, though. I mean, this dopamine explosion from carbs is... Yeah, I'm happy I did it. Yeah, it's... I mean, once in a while, it's fine. Once in a while.

For me, it's once in a great while, but... Well, there's like Tim Ferriss has like that, you know, you have one meal a week or something. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, one meal a week I'll go with sweets. I'll have an ice cream sundae or some shit. Ice cream sundaes are great.

Oh, they're fucking amazing. Fucking amazing. Yeah. I don't think most people know what an ice cream sundae tastes like unless they smoke marijuana. And then you're like,

oh, this is a different thing. It's an amazing invention. Whoever figured out the hot fudge and then the whipped cream on top of it, what a combo. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. What's up with those two? Maybe.

Oh, yeah. Maybe. Great idea. I don't know if that's possible. What am I called? Dairy Queen? For sure. Dairy Queen.

Well, I mean, that's what's open right now. What's legit? It's 1130. I know. There's like that pizza restaurant, that pizza chain. They have the best ice cream sundae that I've ever seen. It's a giant one. Out here?

God, I have to remember the name of the... It is a chain, but it's not like a big chain. People that are upset right now because they're listening on the treadmill, and they're hearing us chewing, like, these motherfuckers are going to get ice cream? We're seeing pizza and ice cream sundaes. While people try to lose weight. Yeah.

Sweating out. Oh, Bucca di Beppo's. Oh, yeah. They've got a gigantic ice cream sundae. Everything they have is gigantic. It's amazing. Yeah. I worked there for a long time.

It's actually really good. No kidding. It's amazing. Oh, bro, they have that rigatoni, that rigatoni with the meat sauce. And, oh, my God. Rigatoni is great. It's fantastic. Yeah.

And it's very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get. Yeah, there's one in Palo Alto. You get a crazy amount of food. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. I like all the photographs on the wall and everything. There's one of those down the street from our old studio. In LA?

In Woodland Hills. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,.A.? With the Nils. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's legit. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I used to take my kids to the one at the Grove in L.A. What, if anything, is out near SpaceX? Like, what do you guys have out there? In L.A. or here? Out here. We've got the Starlink terminal factory. So we, for the Starlink V4 terminals, we built them here.

We built the, what's called the, well, the V, the version 3 terminals and the version 3 minis. There's like a, there's like, we do part of the production, or actually, I should say, we've done all of the production of the terminals thus far in L.A. And we'll continue to do production in L.A., but we've also just completed a second factory in Bastrop just about 20 minutes from here. And then SpaceX is where you make the launches. What part of Texas is that? Well, the Starship stuff is in South Texas near the border, just right on the Rio Grande. And how did you pick that location? I was just literally looking at satellite images

and for going to orbit, you kind of need to, you want to launch eastward so that you can take advantage of Earth's rotation to get to orbit. So it's a little counterintuitive that reaching orbital velocity, getting to orbit is about your speed parallel to the Earth's surface. It's like how fast are you zooming around Earth? It's not a, like, the gravity at the altitude of the space station is almost the same as it is on the ground. The reason the space station is actually up there is kind of the wrong terminology.

It's actually moving around the Earth at 17,000 miles an hour. So the space station goes around the Earth at roughly every 90 minutes. So... And because Earth is turning, and the speed at which it is turning, or the way you experience velocity is, it's moving at roughly 1,000 miles an hour at the equator. So the closer you are to the equator, the more you can take advantage of Earth's rotation

to reach orbital velocity. So you want to, and since it's rotating eastward, you want to be on the east coast to make it easier to get to orbital velocity. So you need a section of coast that's on the east, fairly southward, that is not occupied. So like most of, really, almost really all of Florida, except for Cape Canaveral, is, you know, wall-to-wall houses on the beach. Like there's almost no section of Florida that, every section of Florida has houses, except for Cape Canaveral, which is a government base. So one of the few spots that wasn't occupied was the area just adjacent to the border with Mexico. And it just wasn't super well suited to holiday homes. And there was at one point a development that was going to take place, but then a hurricane came and destroyed the entire place

and, in fact, rearranged the land, so some of the plots were underwater. So it's a tough spot to build a home, and that's why it was unoccupied. So we needed a piece of, and it needed to be U.S. territory because if we go outside the U.S., there are export restrictions because rocket technology is an advanced weapons technology. So we can't just like, you know, arbitrarily go to another country. So it needed to be U.S. land, east coast, and fairly southward. That's fascinating that rockets... It's one of the few spots that exist like that.

...that rockets fall into the category of weapons technology. Yeah, intercontinental ballistic missiles. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we could drop a rocket anywhere. Nobody could stop us. Wow. That is crazy about the space station, too. Yeah.

It's going 17,000 miles an hour. Yes. I mean, you've seen the videos of the rocket landing, right? Yes. It's amazing. It's very precise. It's pretty fucking amazing. We could make it land basically anywhere. Oh.

Or not land. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't have to turn on the thrusters to slow down. What is it like to try to juggle these different things in your mind on a daily basis? What is it like to try to juggle X, Tesla, SpaceX, all these different things at the same time? It's a lot for a human brain to handle. Yeah. I would imagine.

Yeah. It strains my meat computer. I mean, do you need something like that, though? Does your meat computer need more problem solving than the average one? I mean, is this something like, if you only had one thing to work on do you think you would get bored or you would get distracted or you would not be satisfied like do you need these things to be so complex and have so many of them simultaneously juggling

because you didn't pick three easy ones you pick three of the fucking hardest things you could ever get into you already detailed how difficult Manufacturing is rockets duh. It's great. It's one of the craziest things like science Completely innovative rockets that land like they that never happened before so you're doing that right and then you said you know what? We're gonna save humanity. Let me go spend 44 billion on Twitter. Man, that was expensive. What's it worth?

What do you think it was actually worth? Everything. Yeah. Not for the market. Right. I mean, like for humans, yes, I agree with you. I mean, I really genuinely do think this. And I've said this many times publicly, I think you did humanity and immense service. And that if that didn't happen, the narrative of this country would have gone further and further

down that road to the point where people would have been scared to speak their mind. And they would have been scared. And it changes the way people communicate at their jobs, which changes the way, it just changes the way people, when they leave universities and they go to get jobs, the way they're allowed to communicate. And people don't like to be on the outside. They don't like to be ostracized. They don't like to be kicked out of communities. So people would adhere. Yeah. And they would change.

Absolutely. And people, I guess, are afraid of like being, yeah, ostracized is like, fear of being ostracized I think is probably the biggest issue. And they're just being totally shut down. Yeah. You know, where you have no outlet. Yeah. And you can just basically disappear except for in-person meetings.

So, yeah, it was important to have at least one social media outlet that wasn't canceling people. What I really enjoy is reading the tweets. I guess you still have to call them tweets. Posts or whatever. I don't have a good word for it. Yeah, you can't say the X's. All my X's live in Texas. Reading the words, I should say.

I enjoy reading the words of people who proclaimed that they were leaving and going over to threads. That's an interesting thing about momentum. Very difficult to start a whole new social media platform. Even one that initially got like, what did threads get? Like some crazy number of initial people signing up for it But it just dropped off within like a couple of weeks now. It's a fucking ghost town Yeah, it's like wild eerily quiet. It's wild. I mean suck himself doesn't post Got it you got to use your own product

It's interesting though because they're sneaking them in now in Instagram They sneak a little thread in there because every now and then I'll see own product. It's interesting, though, because they're sneaking them in now in Instagram. They sneak a little thread in there? Because every now and then I'll see something. Oh, that's interesting. And I click on it. Oh, you motherfucker. And it opens up threads for me.

Like, you got me. Because they're integrated. I don't use Instagram. It's fascinating that. I'm sure you don't. Why would you? If I bought X or Twitter or whatever, I wouldn't use anything else either. Yeah, but I didn't use Instagram for a while.

I mean, there was a time where I was posting on Instagram, but I found myself doing selfies. And I'm like, what the hell is wrong with me? Why am I posing for selfies to get likes? This is crazy. Bizarre. And like, so then I was like, you know, if you,

if you, if you pose for selfies on, on Twitter, that people would jump all over you, you know? Yeah.

They would. That's true. They were like, what's wrong with you? That's so true. Yeah, people are like, way more lenient on Instagram

for some strange reason. Yeah. It's, it's like pretty pictures, true. Yeah, people are, like, way more lenient on Instagram for some strange reason. Yeah. It's like pretty pictures, basically. Yeah. Pretty pictures and a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of weirdness that comes with Instagram, like filters. Like, I've caught grown men using filters on their pictures. It's very strange.

You know, I am concerned that, like, say, Instagram actually leads to more unhappiness, not less. In the sense that, like, it just looks like everyone's, like, having a great time. Right. And is way better looking than they really are. Yeah. And so you're like, man, everyone's, like, good looking and having a great time. And then you sort of compare yourself to that. And it's like, damn, I'm not as good looking and I seem to be sad a lot.

And then you're like, man, you know, I think it could make you kind of depressed. Yeah, well, and also you're a grown man and you experience this. You're also very intelligent and you experience this. Imagine being a young kid. Jonathan Haid hate documented that in the coddling of the american mind so there's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and its ubiquitous use and self-harm amongst kids particularly girls it's really bad for girls and they like around 2007 ish there's this big uptick on suicide, self-harm, depression.

Yeah. People can't just make themselves be better looking. There's a limit. Right. Yeah, and then surgery. Yeah. There's a big uptick in people getting their jaws reshaped and shit. I mean, yeah, that's too bad.

So I don't know. I think, you know, I think, like, is Instagram a net happiness generator or not? I'm not sure it is. Speaking of distorted images, have you seen the court artist's drawing of Sam Bankman Freed? I mean, it's almost like they lost money or something. What the fuck happened? It looks like it melted.

Have you seen it? It looks like a supermodel. Oh, what? SVF does? Yes! The guy who drew him. One of them I saw... Maybe there's more than one artist. Maybe there's more than one artist, because some of the ones I saw were unflattering. He looked like an anime superhero.

You're joking. No. No, like perfect chiseled jawline. Ridiculous. He looked like he lost 30 pounds. Started working out. Look at this. Look at that. Are you kidding? What the fuck, man? Look at that guy on the left. That guy looks like Superman. Doesn't he?

Look how hot that guy is. I almost feel like it's not accurate. It's like Clark Kent or something. It guy is I almost feel like it's not It's like clock hand or something It might be I feel like someone's fucking with us There's a few other pictures When I googled like you know There's some rough pictures though It seems like someone's fucking with us

Because that guy's handsome as fuck Because there's this one That's not the same No that one's terrible What is that? That's not real That's Satan's drawing But that one right there

If that is real It's like come on That's not real This is bullshit That's not real. That's Satan's drawing. But that one right there, if that is real, it's like, come on. That's not real. This is bullshit. That's bullshit. Because look at what they did with the girl. Oh, wow. Look at that picture there.

Even that picture is hilarious. But Carla looks like she's melting. Yeah. I don't know. I have to, I mean. But she's probably massively depressed. I mean, I bet that's also like it's artist's interpretation of the energy she's giving off in court.

I mean, she has to rat on her boyfriend and she's already pleaded guilty and for a lesser sentence she's going to rat him out. I don't know who SBF's PR team is, but they're doing an incredible job. For real? Well, I mean, the dude

ripped tons of people off and stole their money. And yet he's getting basically back rubbed from the press. Well, don't you think that's because of the amount of money that he donated? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is. It might have something to do with that. I'm not that cynical. I generally don't think people are influenced by money. Well, I don't know what he's doing.

Something's going on. The number of articles I've seen where it's basically a misunderstood philanthropist is ridiculous. Well, your bullshit meter went off when he was offering money to buy in with you with Twitter, correct? A large amount. Yeah. And, I mean, a lot of people, you know, fell for his bullshit. But, I mean, first of all, I hadn't really heard of the guy.

I'm like, who is this guy? And what did he do? And he's in the Bahamas? That's pretty sus to begin with. Very sus. I'm like, who's like, if you're on a tropical island, like finance organizations in tropical islands generally have a bad track record.

And he's involved in crypto. And crypto is scammed. There's a lot of scams. The scam probability in crypto is high. It's high. I'm There's a lot of scams. The scam probability in crypto is high. It's high. I'm not saying it's all scams. No. I would leave that distinction for one of those fucking NFTs.

That's like 80% scam. Except for Beeple. Beeple's legit. Beeple gives you digital art. Yeah, Beeple's stuff is great. But the funny thing is that the nft is not even on the blockchain it's just a url to the to the jpeg so it's not even like it's like you should at least encode the jpeg in the blockchain because like if the url if the company housing the image goes out of business you don't have the image

anymore i never understood it. I tried so hard. I tried so hard. I know. I have a friend who made millions selling an artist. I'm like, okay, save that money because eventually people are going to figure this out. With art, there is a fair bit of money laundering and tax avoidance. So some of these things that seem inexplicable.

Like Hunter Biden? You want to talk about Hunter Biden's paintings? Did he actually sell paintings for large sums of money? Immense sums of money. Okay. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Probably that seems unlikely to be a legit transaction. Unlikely, right?

Unlikely. Yeah, very unlikely. The work's not bad, though, I've got to say. Like, for that kind of bullshit art, it's not that bad. Yeah. I mean, the thing is that it's hard to price art. Right. Because it's in the eye of the beholder.

So how can you say whether something... Like, this is his stuff. How much did that go for? $225K. A steal. It's not bad. It's not that bad. That's not that bad. It's not that bad.

I mean, I would buy that. I wouldn't buy it for $225,000, but I'll buy it for $5,000. Yeah. It's not bad. Like, look, a lot of crackheads are good artists. Like, you know, you get crazy on drugs and splatter some shit around and you got a unique vision. That's not bad. That's not bad.

That is not bad at all. How much did that one go for? So he's probably a legit... Meanwhile, we're going to find out he had a ghost artist. I mean, I suspect he... He's probably a ghost artist. I think he's not untalented. Right.

So, I mean, I actually don't have any issues with his lifestyle or anything. There's his stuff. That stuff's not bad. Like whatever that dog wolf thing is on the wall, that's pretty dope. Yeah. I like that. What does it say underneath it?

Can you read it? I can't read it. Either way, not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. Have you ever heard the theory that the entire modern art movement, like Jackson Pollock and the like, was a CIA psyop? I mean, I have heard that, but I have not heard any evidence for it. I read the article a couple years ago.

Okay. At least. Like modern arts is a psyop? Yeah. Every day I wake up, there's another psyop. But it was fascinating. Yeah, every day. There's always something.

Cat with a tinfoil hat. Yeah. When was this? Beginning of 2020. Yeah. Was modern art really a CIA psyop? But, I mean, if you can get someone to spend that kind of money on that kind of shit, like the Jackson Pollock stuff. So here it is.

Preeminent culture war, Cold War. What is it? Okay. The relationship between modern art and American diplomacy began during World War II. Museum, MoMA, Battle for Hearts and Minds. It's an interesting article. So I read the article a couple years ago. I can't remember what their argument was.

But it's one of those things. It starts there, like they spent money to buy paintings directly from artists. Oh. In the 40s. Okay. Even though modern art and American diplomacy were of a piece, Soviet propaganda asserted that the United States was a culturally barren capitalist wasteland. To make the case for American cultural dynamism, the State Department in 1946 spent $49,000 to purchase 79 paintings directly from American modern artists and mounted them in a traveling exhibition called Advancing American Art. That exhibition, which made stops in Europe and Latin America, included work from artists like Georgia O'Keeffe and Jake.

Georgia O'Keeffe is the lady who makes vaginas, right? Isn't that her work? I don't know. I think that is some of what she does, yeah. I think she makes like vagina, like flowers and stuff. I think so. It was pretty good. Well, the Jackson Pollock one, I was like, how did?

Come on. What happened there? That one is just wild because I really think I could do that. Some of this shit is like Jackson Pollock and the CIA teamed up to win the Cold War. Yeah. Okay, I think that's the article I read, because that's 2017. I don't remember.

Well, I think art is very much in the eye of the beholder. It's like, what does it make you, how does it make you think and feel? And if it makes you think and feel in a way that you like, then it's good. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. But it's also a way to launder money. Yes. A number of these like very high price art things are tax evasion and money laundering. Have you ever seen the documentary on the lost Leonardo? No. That's crazy. That's crazy.

MBS purchased this. Okay. And he purchased it for some insane amount of money. It turns out it probably isn't Leonardo da Vinci's. Not only that, but the vast majority of the painting was made by a modern age woman who recreated everything. recreated everything. So she, in restoring, air quotes restoring,

she essentially repainted the image in the style of Da Vinci. And it's very sketchy, because if you look at the original painting, it was all fucked up and missing paint and there was many layers. Someone had painted over it. It's really an incredible documentary

because it just shows how much fuckery is involved in these high-dollar transactions. And I think it went, I think it was the most expensive painting that was ever sold. I think it went for something in the neighborhood

of $400 million. $450 million. Yeah. The Lost Leonardo, a new film, solved the mystery of the world's most expensive painting, is the $450 million Salvatore Mundi a fake.

This film featuring tearful sycophants, sneering experts, dodgy dealers, and a secretive super yacht may finally settle the great Da Vinci controversy. Apparently, there's multiple layers and different styles of painting involved in it. And when they do some sort of a comprehensive examination, whether it's like, you know, I don't know what kind of imagery they're using. But they're doing something where they could say, like, this has been painted many times and fucked with. Yeah. It might have originally been one of Leonardo's students. Might not have been Leonardo. Like, there's not a real clear...

It's dated to that time? Yeah. Okay. But whether it was Sotheby's that sold it? I think so. Yeah. So they were kind of aware that there were some shenanigans with this piece,

but they also were aware that this was gonna cha-ching. This was three lemons. This was, they were gonna hit the jackpot with this bad boy. Yeah. And so they went through with it and yeah. Christie's. Christie's, that's it.

The other one. Christie's was aware of it. It's a fascinating documentary. I don't know what's right. I don't know what's wrong. It might be real. But at the very least, it's been retouched mostly by this woman. Isn't it like 90% of the painting it's some there's some very high percentage of the painting that was

actually made by this woman and they show her she worked on it forever for years and years worked like painstakingly to retouch this piece of art. Which is very odd. Yeah. That they do that. Because like, wouldn't you just want it all fucked up and old? Sure.

I mean, that's the real piece of art. Yeah. The real piece of art is not like some woman in 2001 painting over it. That's just crazy. Yeah. I mean, I, you know i i enjoy art for the aesthetics but i but not for the name name value yeah i feel the same way yeah i enjoy art just because i just what it makes you how it makes you feel yes it's you know it's a cool thing i mean obviously my

studios fill with it like you go outside I love art yeah it's everywhere out there I'm just I love it have you seen oh the woman have you seen the one the piece that she made of you this uh Melania Blackman have you seen that drawing that she did is that the weird one she it's everything it's it's she it's enormous okay she draws it and you're essentially made up of all these different characters and different things so here you find her work with this she did one of me and she did one of anthony bourdain that i bought that's out there as well she's super talented this woman so this is her she's really hot too okay so you can find her standing next to it there it is

Instagram bandit oh that was right there was something that happened where Instagram did something what happened so Instagram has not only banned me from promoting this artwork but also shadow banned me altogether after I posted my latest piece. This is after probably you said that you wanted to fight Zucker. Well, actually I was just... The Zuck fight is funny because he was posting all these fight videos and then someone on Twitter at the time said, hey, you should fight Zuck.

And I said, well, I'm willing to fight if he is. And then Zuck posted, I think on Instagram or something, name the place or something, something to that effect. And I was like, okay, how about the Vegas Octagon? like, okay, how about the Vegas Octagon? And then Italy actually was willing to let us use the Coliseum. So then I was like, well, let's – can't turn that down, you know. And then I was like, well, if it's going to be in the Coliseum, you know, we're not – like, I like UFC and everything, but we don't have, like, tons it's going to be in the Coliseum, you know, we're not – like, I like UFC and everything, but we don't want to have, like, tons of ads and UFC branding on the Coliseum because it's a historical, you know, place.

You know, it's a place of great history. You don't want to just, you know, have it be all like NASCAR. Right. So then – and then Zuck pulled out. You know, he used the pull-out method. So he pulled out of it? He pulled out of it? Yeah, yeah.

Oh. What was the narrative? What did you hear, Jamie? I don't remember. Well, I know you did. So he was like, oh, no, it's got to be UFC rules. I'm like, well, okay, we're going to have UFC rules in the Coliseum. It's fine.

But we just don't want to have – you've got to respect the historical integrity of the place. You would just, the Coliseum just seems like the coolest place to do it. That's why? I mean, like, gladiator, you know. Oh, yeah. Come on. And if they said it's okay.

Yeah. So he just wants it to be in the actual UFC, like in Vegas? So then he said, oh, well, you know, he accused me of not being serious. And I said, look, listen, at the end of the day, I'll fight you any place, anywhere, under any rules. Oh. Zuck. That's what I said. Wow.

So I'm, you know, name the – he said name the place. I'm happy to fight him in a house, on a mouse, with a louse. We'd, like, go full Dr. Seuss here. Now, how much time? I'm way bigger than him. This is unfair. I don't think you should fight me. Because you're so much bigger than him? Yeah, I'm like 50% bigger than him. Yeah. I'll just use a I've got my patented walrus move.

Why just lie on him? Well, you know, like a walrus doesn't need martial arts training. Because it's really big. You don't want to go wrestling a walrus. Right. Because it's really big. You don't want to go wrestling on walrus. Right. Because he's going to roll on you. Have you ever been,

ever rolled with someone who's much smaller than you that does jujitsu? Yes. Lex, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I did 10 years of martial arts. How much have you trained personally?

A decade of it. Well, you did a lot of karate, right? I did. Judo? Judo, kai, shinkai, karate. Yeah. I did some jujitsu, taekwondo, street fighting,

which was involuntary. I, you know, I think I'd be decent. I did martial arts competitions when I was a teenager. Really? Interesting. So look at you, George St. Pierre,

Elon, John Donahue, the great master, and Lex Friedman. But like Lex is, I think he's got like 20% heavier than Zuck. And I'm way bigger than Lex. Yeah. That's why they have weight categories. Oh yeah. Yeah. Did you get a chance to talk to Donaher at all? The guy on the left? That guy's fascinating. Yeah, no, no, he's- Do you know his history? No, he's from New Zealand or something. He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia.

Okay. And fell in love with Jujitsu. Okay. I mean fell in love with it to the point where he was sleeping on the mats and teaching all day long. He's an obsessive. He is a real Kaizen disciple. He seems zen. Oh man, he is one of the most unique characters I've ever met in my life.

One of the most brilliant men I've ever met. And he's completely dedicated to jiu-jitsu. And he has raised through this, particularly this one disciple, Gordon Ryan, who also lives here in Austin. He's the greatest jiu-jitsu competitor of all time. There's no question. And he's only 28. Okay. He might even be 27. Or maybe he's 28 now. But, I mean, he is universally regarded as the competitor of all time. There's no question. And he's only 28. He might even be 27. Or maybe

he's 28 now. But I mean, he is universally regarded as the greatest of all time. And he is John's greatest student. And the two of them together, because Gordon has insane work ethic, they work 365 days a year. They do not take any days off. They train every day. That's Gordon

to the right of John with the crazy beard. He doesn't really have that hair. He bleaches it. But the two of them together are literally an unstoppable combination. I like Alex Rippt. He's pretty ripped. Yeah, he's a combination of gigantic, brilliant, and insanely dedicated with the most incredible instructor that's ever existed. I mean, John Donahue is universally regarded as the greatest jiu-jitsu instructor alive. And his student is universally regarded as the greatest jiu-jitsu competitor alive. Yeah. And it is because John is like a complete, like a guy out of a superhero book.

Like, you wouldn't, you're not going to find another one of those. A guy with a genius level IQ who's one of the... I mean, you talk to him, he's fascinating. And he is obsessed with combat sports, warfare, like, strategy. Brilliant guy. Yeah.

I was impressed when I met him. I mean, the things that like, if I was fighting someone who I was not, where I was not much bigger than them, then I would be more concerned. How much time would you need to prepare? I don't need any time. No time at all? No.

How's your cardio? It's not, that will not be a factor. Really? Yeah. Very likely. I mean. What's the likelihood of this actually happening? I'm willing to do it anytime, anywhere, anyplace, any role.

Well, I think stating it this way might accelerate this process, especially on this platform. I mean, I'd challenge him to a duel under any circumstances. Sword fight? Sure. Jesus. That's not necessary. Pistols at dawn. That's not necessary. I think physical at dawn. That's not necessary.

I think physical hand-in-hand. Nerf guns at noon. Yeah, Nerf guns at noon. Well, you could slash it out in the metaverse. Yeah. In the real world. Listen, there's just a reason they have weight categories. they have weight categories, you know?

So, you know, there's a friend of mine who is pretty good at fighting, but she weighs about half of what I do. And I said, let me show you why there's weight categories in fighting. And I'm going to do a move called the walrus, and you have to just, I'm just going to lie on you. I'm not going to put you in a lock or anything. I'm just going to lie on you. But I'm going to, a move called the walrus, and you have to just, I'm just going to lie on you. I'm not going to put you in a lock or anything. I'm just going to lie on you.

But I'm going to, you know, position myself such that it's hard to get off, get out from under me. And I just want to lie crossways on you, and you try to get away. And you won't be able to get away. Because you couldn't. Just, you know, like if a horse falls on you. Right. You can get trapped under a horse but you're not a horse what do you weigh about 230 yeah 240 yeah yeah so no no i'm not a horse but i'm saying in the limit if something's heavy enough like you know if a horse falls on you and dies you can get

trapped under a horse and not be able to get yourself out right but if someone's good enough i mean i'm sure you've seen like absolute weight classes in jujitsu where you'll get 145 pound competitor who strangles a 220 pound competitor and they're both well trained because if someone is that's unlikely it's not unlikely it happens quite often when you get elite competitors when you get elite competitors like elite black belts at the 145, 155-pound weight limit, you'd be shocked. There's a ton of videos of these guys who will strangle much larger black belts. I'm not saying it's impossible.

It's just highly unlikely. And if this were not the case, there would not be strict weight categories in martial arts. That is true. That is true. But the reason why they allow absolutes in jiu-jitsu is because it is the thrill of watching these smaller people go against much larger people. And sometimes they win.

No, just like armies, you know, people take note when a small army defeats a big army because it is so unusual. Yes. Not because it's normal. Right. You know, if there's like, if it's like, it was two against 10,000, and boy, it would beat those two guys up. More likely what happens. Like, if you're severely outnumbered, you will lose, almost certainly.

So look at the size difference between these two guys. Play it out. Well, it's the end of the video. This is Mikey Musumechi, who is another fascinating individual. This guy is another super genius who trains every day, 12 hours a day, and he is competing against a black belt in the heavyweight division. Mikey Musumechi might weigh 145 pounds, and he beats this guy. Guy doesn't look to be in super great shape.

Well, he's enormous. Yeah. I mean, he's enormous, and he's a black belt, so he's skilled. I forget how Mikey wins this. He catches him with something. I couldn't tell what exactly happened. Get it a little bit further here. I think what happened here?

It seemed like he got penalties or something. Oh, they pushed him out of bounds? I don't know what that one on the side. I think they're happened here? It seemed like he got penalties or something. Oh, they pushed him out of bounds? I don't know what that one on the side... I think they're out of bounds. Yeah, that's all that was. That's just out of bounds. So scoot ahead and see what happens, what he catches him with. What happened?

I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just very unlikely. Oh, so he won by points? Yeah, that's why I wanted to show you that. Oh, okay, so he won by points. I think you're making the point for me here. Yeah. Well, in that case.

Yeah. That guy's strangled a lot of much larger people than him. But again, he's extraordinary. He's a world champion. He's a world champion for one, which is this huge organization in Singapore. They do these events where they have all kinds of different martial arts. They have MMA, Thai boxing. Yeah. So you would do Thai boxing. Yeah. Yeah.

So you would do it under any rules? Sure. All right, let's go. I like the fact that you're interested in doing this. It's fun. It makes it fun. Yeah, I mean, I could, you know, this could be an exercise in hubris. We'll find out. We'll find out.

I like the fact that Zuck's interested in it, too. I like the fact that he trains so much. There aren't very many ways to actually, if you stick to the rules of Jiu-Jitsu, for example, if you want to put someone in an arm lock, you have to be able to extend their arm.

If somebody is strong enough that you cannot extend their arm, then you're limited to... Chokes. Chokes. And you can do an arm lock across the groin with both arms and legs, like Hoist Gracie did upside down. And it was like the third UFC fight or something like that.

He was pretty severely damaged. That was when he fought Kimo. Yeah, that enormous guy. Yeah. And he did upside down arm lock across the groin something like that yeah he was pretty severely damaged that was when he fought chemo yeah that enormous guy yeah yeah and he did upside down um arm lock across the groin because he could not do an arm lock um you know a sort of sidebar arm lock so um but after that people were like why is that move so they're like we're not going to be allow themselves to get an arm lock across the groin without, you know, that was like a, you know, overconfidence, I think. Well, it was exhaustion. I mean, they fought like tooth and nail for something like seven or eight minutes.

And, you know, Hoyst survived and then eventually wore the guy out. Well, when you're a big steroided up guy like that, too, the oxygen depletion, like the amount of oxygen your muscles require, you gas out pretty quickly when you're that big unless you're insanely conditioned. Yeah, but like there's no way for him to do, you know, arm lock, like a single arm arm lock. He couldn't do it. Single arm arm lock. Like if you try to do a lock on the side. So like a side control? So from some legs across your face?

Is that what you mean? If you try to do an arm bar on the side, you know, one arm across the knee, you know, or across the thigh. Like you have to be able to extend the arm. Essentially your triceps have to be able to exceed the strength of their bicep is what it comes down to. But if you cannot exceed the strength of their bicep, then you will not be able to do an arm extension. I'm not sure what I'm – are you talking about like a Kimura, like a straight arm bar? Yeah. Oh, so you're talking about like with just the arms.

Where you just have one arm. Like if it's one arm versus one arm. But that's never the case it's almost always the whole body's engaged that that's the i think that's it's well in judo that's a very common hold a very common one arm arm bar yeah one arm yeah um you know you have your one arm around the the neck and you take their arm and you extend it across. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, so like from a scarf hold.

So a scarf hold, you would take the arm and put it over, and you would push it down with one arm. Yeah, that's unusual, though. Yeah, that's an unusual arm bar. But if one person is much stronger than another, then that's the move. Yeah. It's a very fast move because you can take someone right from a throw, drop them on the floor, right into an armbar. Yeah. Okay.

That's a very specific armbar. Ten seconds. Right. That's a rare armbar. You never see that in MMA. What you do see, though, is the two legs isolate the arm, and then the person grabs a hold of it with the thumb up and uses all their body weight. Yeah, yeah. That's what Gracie did. Yeah. That's what most people do up and uses all their body weight. Yeah, yeah. That's what Gracie did.

Yeah, that's what most people do when they apply an arm bar. Yeah. Whether it's from the back, like, you know, a lot of people have done that, or whether it's from side control, which is a little more easy because you have control of the body. Yeah. I mean, it's also just that, you know, UFC is not just jiu-jitsu. You can punch people.

Right. That makes a big difference. Big difference. Big difference. Huge. Yeah. MMA has changed the ideas of jiu-jitsu because there's a lot of techniques that people do

where it works well in competition when someone's grabbing your leg when you can't just rain down punches on their face. Yeah. There's a lot of unrealistic positions. If somebody's pounding you in the face, it's pretty hard to be chill. Especially if somebody's got gorilla fists in your face.

Yes. It's not going to be a good day. Yeah. Carlson Gracie famously had a phrase that if you take a black belt and you punch him in the face, he becomes a brown belt. Punch him again, he becomes a purple belt. Yeah. And so on and so forth. I mean, most people have not been punched in the face.

I've been punched in the face. That's true. So, you know, it comes as a surprise. Yeah. Yeah, it probably does come as a surprise. I mean, there's also like, even the UFC has a lot of limitations. Like, you can't do 12 o'clock elbows, you know. That's changing.

They're getting rid of that. You're not going to do 12 o'clock elbows? Yes, finally. They're getting rid of that. You're allowed to do 12 o'clock elbows? Yes, finally. Finally. I've been singing that from the top of the roof forever. It's so nuts. It's so stupid. You know what it came from?

No. It came from Big John McCarthy, who was the original UFC referee and pioneer of the sport. He was bringing this to athletic commissions, and they were allowing certain techniques. But one of them they wouldn't allow was the 12 to 6 elbow because they saw those late night karate demonstrations where someone like smashed bricks like that they thought someone would die if they hit them with this definitely gonna sting yeah but it's not even harder than this one this one's harder because this one you can throw your body weight into it and it's a more natural movement this is an unusual movement i mean i'm sure you could train it and get it probably as hard but i think for most people

for me i can tell you for sure this elbow has more power well i think any elbow in the face is going to be a big wake-up call if you've never had an elbow it fucking sucks yes it fucking sucks did you watch the tyson fury francis and gano boxing? Is that the one where he bit the ear off? No, that's Mike Tyson. Evander Holyfield. That's from the 90s. Yeah. No, this fight that took place this last weekend.

Francis Ngannou, who is the UFC heavyweight champion, he vacated the belt so he could take this fight with Tyson Fury. This was his dream fight. Tyson Fury, who's the lineal heavyweight champion. Francis Ngannou had never had a boxing match ever in his life. Had zero boxing matches, but he was the UFC heavyweight champion. Knocked down Tyson Fury in the third round, beat him up in the eighth round. Most people, including me, thought he should have won the decision, including most boxers, most boxing pundits. And he lost by one point on one judge's scorecard.

He won on one judge's scorecard. Another judge who should go to jail had it 96-93 for Tyson Fury, which is fucking outrageous. But Francis Ngannou, who is a literal freak of nature. I mean, this guy grew up in Cameroon and was working in the sand mines when he was a child. Like a fucking Conan movie. Like full on. Like this great warrior. Conan's like pushing the thing around in a circle.

Yeah, pushing the wheel. He's developing his body, digging the sand all day. He's supremely physically advanced. He looks fit. He's not just fit. He's the hardest puncher ever measured in all of MMA. There's a machine that we actually have outside at the gym. And if you hit this thing, Francis has hit it harder than any person who's ever lived.

Yeah. Well, look at him. Can I hit it? Yeah, we can set it up. Is it working? I had the record for the kick for a while. Okay. Yeah.

A couple people beat it now. But Francis punched like it's an insane – it's like getting hit by a fucking car. Sure. And when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round, you see Tyson's on his back going, what the fuck? And then he realizes like – because I think he thought he was just going – Yeah, he's being hit by a sledgehammer. Well, he thought he was going to run him over because he's the boxing heavyweight champion. He's like, there's no way this guy could box with me.

He even said at the beginning of the fight, it's time to go to school. Okay. And then Francis said at the end of the fight, you are a shitty professor. You should watch it. It's a good free show. I mean- It's on ESPN Plus. Okay.

I'm pretty sure you can still get it. Yeah. Anyway, I just, it's, yeah. I'm just excited that you're interested in doing it still. Sure. All right. Didn't you fuck your back up doing like sumo wrestling? Yeah.

What happened there? It still hurts a little bit actually. I've had like four operations. Really? From that? Well, I had like actually. I've had like four operations. Really? From that? Well, I had like some childhood injuries. Like I said, I was in some pretty severe fights as a kid. Like really, like I was almost killed at one point.

Really? What happened? It was just in school in South Africa. It's a very violent place. So there's been many involuntary fights. It's just the way it was. Um, but anyway, so I had like, and I had some rugby injuries as well. Um, I saw South South Africa won the world cup, which is cool. And in rugby. Um, so, uh, so, so I think that that was like not a good starting position. But then the world champion sumo wrestlers,

they did kind of like a demo bout for my birthday. And since it was my birthday, I guess they just call up the birthday boy and say like, hey, do you want to sumo wrestle? This is where it's a similar weight differential. He was 50% heavier than me. So, like, I don't know, 360, 370 pounds. And I knew he would take it easy on me in the first round. So, the only way I'm going to knock him over is momentum. So, I got to basically run at him. So, I did. I ran at him, did a judo throw Knocked him over And smashed the disc In my neck in the process

Oh Yeah It's like It'd be like running at that wall You know If you run at a wall It's Gonna hurt

Did you have to get it Fused or anything? Yeah Oh man That's So it's like You can knock You can

You can knock over someone You can defeat someone Bigger than you If you're willing to You know Smash a disc in your neck Yeah Well if you know someone bigger than you if you're willing to smash a disc in your neck. Well, if you know what you're doing and you're willing to smash a disc in your neck. Those two things.

So he wasn't expecting me to beat a total lunatic on round one. And he defeated me, obviously, in round two and three because he was like, oh, he knows what to expect. So I had like five minutes of glory and a decade of pain. Now that you've got your neck fused, that creates problems with the upper and lower discs as well, doesn't it? Over time, if there's too much neck rotation, it can damage the...

How long ago was this that you had this operation? Man, I had three operations. Where you got it fused... How long ago was this that you had this operation? Man, I had three operations. Where you got it fused? How long ago? I had two artificial disks. And I'm actually in favor of artificial disks. They put the wrong disk in. But then eventually the third one,

I was like, let's just fuse it. They put the wrong one in? Yeah, twice. How so? Because I have friends that have artificial disks. Yeah, no, I'm actually in favor of artificial disks. You just need to have the right one. So in my case, at this point I know a lot about it,

the C5, C6 right facet is impacting. You know, the facets are like the outriggers. You've got the center core of the spine facets, the outriggers, and they're shingled. So they're like, you know, one on top of the outriggers. You've got the center core of the spine. Facets are the outriggers. And they're shingled. So they're like one on top of the other like this. There's a little nerve that goes out in between the C5, C6. And if those vertebrae come close together, they grind the nerve. So they just sort of start shearing the nerve.

Now, so my C5, C6 right facet, it shows up clear as day on like a technetium scan. So if you could do like a radioactive scan with technetium, it's very clear where the problem is. So what should have been done was a simple hinge, like basically to move the Vodabro, basically the C5 Vodabro, back about maybe an eighth of an inch to sort of unload the facet and then put a simple hinge, so just rotation. But I was given what is called a Mobi-C, which is a more mobile disc. The Mobi-C allows it not just rotation, but also translation, so it can move back and forth. So that then didn't solve the impacting of the C5-C6, because it could slide. And when it would slide forward, the C5, C6 would bang and crunch the nerve. And what does the normal neck do?

Does the normal neck move forward in that way? The disc is like a gummy bear, basically, normally. So it allows rotation and translation. So it's like sitting on a jello pillow. That's what discs are. Like one of those Bosu balls that people sit on sometimes and they work with a desk.

It's like a rubber pillow, basically. Yeah. Yeah. So, the natural disc allows for rotation and translation.

So, they basically put a disc that had too much mobility in and did not solve the C5, C6, no impact. Hmm. So then the third time around I was like, listen, I just

don't want to take a chance here. Let's just fuse it. Oh, wow. And so it just limits your mobility? No, I'm fine. I'm like, I can look right and left. It's okay. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. I'm not like, you know, totally stiff-necked. No, you don't seem like you're stiff-necked at all.

No. There was a guy who fought in the UFC named Yoel Romero, and he's a real freak too, an amazing athlete. And he came from the Cuban wrestling program. He was one of the greatest wrestlers that's, like, ever competed amateur-wise. He had his entire neck fused, and when he runs, like his neck doesn't move. It's kind of freakish. Okay. Like you see him running, and his neck looks like it's a stick.

Wow. And the whole body is like moving around, but the neck is just locked in place. It's very bizarre to look at. I mean, he runs like a man whose entire neck is fused. Like watch him. See if you can show the image of him. Here, watch him run. Wow.

See how his neck? He's in good shape. Oh, yeah. You think? I mean, you don't get in any better shape than this guy. By the way, he looks like that now, and he's 46, 47 years old, and still competing at the highest level. Okay.

In Bellator. I mean, he's an unbelievable athlete and one of the most explosive guys that's ever fought in the sport. Just insanely powerful and fast. Yeah. Cool. So you compete at the highest level with your neck fused. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not too worried about that. Aljamain Sterling, who was the UFC Bantamweight champion, he got his neck fused or got a disc replaced, rather, in his neck and then went on to defend his title three times. Still fighting at the highest level with a fake disc in his neck. Well, I guess it'll be okay then. Yeah, well, medical science, pretty fucking incredible what they can do now. You know, I mean, injuries that would have, like, you would have been fucked for the rest of your life just a few decades ago.

Yeah. Now you're good to go. Yeah. So I'm excited. We've kind of rekindled this Zuck versus Elon fire. I mean, he's checking out. I don't think he's checking it out. Yeah, there's no way he's checking it out.

Do you think so? Yeah. Fuck, fuck, fuck. Well, maybe he's listening. Zuck, zuck, zuck.'s listening. Suck, suck, suck. Suck, suck, suck. I'll goad him into fighting using taunts. It might work.

Yeah. I mean, somehow or another, you got him to agree in the first place. I was stunned. Surely he will respond to a taunt like that. Yeah, surely. I mean, how can you resist? How can you resist? How can you resist? How can you resist?

Exactly. Let's go full schoolyard taunting. What if there was like real consequences on the line? Like what if you guys had a real bet? Okay, sure. Like the moderation team

from X takes over moderation of Facebook if you win. No problem. Sounds good. And if he wins, vice versa. It's a fight for civilization.

Yeah. A literal fight for civilization. And if he wins, vice versa. It's a fight for civilization. Yeah. A literal fight for civilization. I mean, I'll do it. Wow. Heavy. True. And you wouldn't even

train for this? No, I'd train a little bit. Train a little bit? Yeah. Like, how many weeks do you need? I mean, I don't have to train. I could do it, like, tomorrow.

I tried going to his house, actually. Did you really? Yeah, because he lives in Palo Alto. And we're doing some Tesla full self-driving testing. So I'm like, well, I've got to pick a destination. Did you press the button and go, do-do, navigate to Zuck's house? Yeah, basically. He's not far.

I think he's, like, three miles away from the Tesla California headquarters. Wow. But I don't know. There's nobody there. He's probably in Hawaii. According to a spokesman, he was traveling. Oh, yeah. It would have been wild if he was there.

What would you have said? Literally, any time. I just thought it was funny to go like, you know, I'm coming over to your house. I'm going to get you. Well, it's even more funny when it's two of the richest guys in the world. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, he didn't answer.

Well, too bad. Yeah, too bad. It's just fun. It's fun and I'm glad you're just for the fun of it

I mean I think it would be well actually like Dana Dana White thinks it would be like the like the you know

a really big ticket fight it would be fucking huge yeah I would commentate on that yeah I mean the proceeds could go to charity and stuff it would be

yeah it would be crazy people would want to see what the hell is going on oh my god it would be fucking huge yeah yeah it'd be crazy. People would want to see what the hell's going on. Oh my God, it would be fucking huge. Yeah. Yeah. It would be really crazy.

Crazy. Like if they close the thing and Bruce Buffer is in there, it's time! Let's go. The place would go fucking bananas. Bananas.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Does it have to be in the Coliseum? Would you agree? No, I'll do it anywhere. I literally said anywhere, anytime. You know where you should do it? Any rules. You know where you's do it. Does it have to be in the Coliseum? Would you agree? No, I'll do it anywhere. I literally said anywhere, anytime.

You know where you should do it? Any rules. You know where you should do it? The Sphere in Las Vegas. The Sphere's great. I was just there. The Sphere's amazing. It's amazing.

It's amazing. Yeah, I was there. I've only seen it on the outside, but it looks incredible. No, the inside's even better. I've seen video. I haven't seen it live. I was there on Saturday night, and it's awesome. Like, it's really good. Amazing. I think it might be the best show's awesome. Like it's really good.

I think it might be the best show on earth. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you have visuals that accompany the music, like if you have someone like Roger Waters, which his show is like insanely visual, something like that in the sphere, it would be incredible. The art in the show that I saw on Saturday night was incredibly good.

I don't know who did all the art. What was the band? It was U2. I don't know who did all the art, but... What was the band? Oh, it was U2. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, I've been to U2 concerts and U2's great,

but the sphere is really... Like, if U2 hadn't been there, it would still be great. Yeah. Yeah, U2's... It's like a... You know, like, on Sunday,

there was a movie that played a movie there. Whoa. Where do you look? In all directions. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, it's like actually being like in virtual reality.

Yeah. In fact, it was such, it was so wild, the Saturday night one especially, that you step outside after the show and you're like, why is reality so boring? Oh, so this is Postcard from Earth. It's Darren Aronofsky's thing. Oh, wow. And you're watching this.

I saw that on Sunday. And it covers the whole ceiling. Oh, my God. It's really great. You saw it there? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's incredible.

Yeah, it's really good. That would be the greatest place to see a movie ever. I think it's like Saturday Night Show, and obviously YouTube adds to it, but like I said, the sphere is really special in and of itself. I think it's probably the best show I've ever seen. Wow. Yeah. I can imagine.

I mean, it's just what an amazing venue and what an incredible idea. Yeah, it was really cool. To have the entire ceiling all screen. I got to hand it to Dolan. That was pretty great. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. I'm so glad that he did that.

And then also the outside. Oh, that's incredible. They really play with perspective. God, that's incredible. Because it's round, but it doesn't look round. Right. So it'll simulate like a square, like all sorts of shapes. Wow.

And then also the outside of it. Like they had the outside of it that looked like Earth. It's just amazing. It's really cool. Yeah. Super cool. I like these epic things. That's the venue.

You know. It's really cool. That's the venue. That's where it needs to go down. In the sphere? Sure. Yeah, that's even better than Coliseum. Okay. Yeah. Especially if the United States, that's even better than Coliseum. Okay.

Yeah. Especially if the United States falls, that would be our Coliseum. This would be our Rome. Vegas would be our Rome. I mean, the Sphere did remind me of being like a modern day Coliseum. Yeah. Yeah, like a modern day version. Like, what would they do?

Yeah, with our technology currently. Yeah. And then Vegas is like kind of Rome-esque in the sense that when we think about the hedonism of Rome, its final days, that's Vegas. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Let's go.

Let's go. Are you not entertained? You will fucking be entertained. You'll be fucking entertained. You'll be fucking entertained. So entertained. No doubt. Let's do it.

There's one point in time where you were trying to get people to do a pause on AI. I mean, I signed on to a letter that someone else wrote. I didn't think that people would actually pause. But you thought it was probably a good idea if they did. I mean, yeah. I mean, making some sort of digital superintelligence seems like it could be dangerous. It certainly has the potential, and certainly has the potential.

Well, when you were talking about what this mind virus, how it was able to propagate through social media and being in control of social media platforms, think about what that means if that same mind virus gets in control of a super intelligence. And that is possible. No, that's actually what I think the biggest danger is for AI is that if AI is implicitly programmed, I don't think they do it explicitly, but implicitly programmed with values that lead to, that have led to the destruction of downtown San Francisco. either in San Francisco or in the San Francisco Bay Area, then you could implicitly program an AI to believe that extinction of humanity is what it should try to do. I mean, if you take that guy who was on the front pages of the New York Times, and you take his philosophy,

which is prevalent in San Francisco, the AI could conclude, like he did, that there are eight, where he did that there are eight where he literally says there are eight billion people in the world it'd be better if there were none and uh engineer that outcome yeah well especially if it doesn't need us anymore if it becomes sentient and then has the ability to make its own decisions and make a better version of itself it would find us to be nothing but a problem like we have nothing to offer it's a risk yeah it is a risk so um you know and like if you query chat gpt i mean it's pretty woke you know yeah so i mean people did like experiments like write a poem praising donald

trump and they it won't but if you ask write a poem praising joe biden and it will yeah so i'm like you know it's a little sketchy yeah yeah well it's unfortunately it's programmed and yes yeah it's programmed to be that way is Is it possible to overcome those problems? Is it possible that we could realize the dangers that are involved in creating this, but somehow or another engineer it in a way that would be ultimately beneficial to people? Or is that just a whim? As a hope and a prayer, a utopian version of what could happen versus the most likely outcome? If you say what is the most likely outcome of AI,

I think the most likely outcome to be specific about it is a good outcome. Most likely a good outcome, but it's not for sure. So I think we have to be careful how we program the AI and make sure that it is not

accidentally anti-human. Hmm. So, you know, the accidentally extinctionist AI. You wouldn't want that. Or even pruning.

Well, that is kind of how it works, is that these, what they call large language models, but it's really just a big pile of numbers. And how you tune those numbers matters. It's like pruning a tree. You know, you could have a mighty oak. It could be a little bonsai or a mighty oak. So depending on how you prune it.

Right. That's what I'm saying. Like if it decided to prune, if it decided the real issue. Perhaps. Yeah. We cause problems. The real issue. Perhaps.

Yeah. We cause problems. Or maybe it would prune places in the world that are, you know, overwhelmingly polluting, like third world countries. Maybe it would decide that they're not very necessary, particularly if we use computers or AI or some sort of robotics to do human labor. And then you have these areas where human beings are doing this labor and they're polluting and, you know, there's all sorts of issues that come about because of that. You say, well, we just eliminate those people. We eliminate that issue and then we have 30% less garbage in the ocean.

And then it makes this call. Yeah. Yeah. It's something we should be concerned about. And I actually will need to go. Oh, shit. Sorry, I need to go. Should we wrap it up?

Yeah, because I have to go to the airport. I'm flying to London. Yeah, you were explaining that. Yeah, just for AI safety. There's the ai safety conference in london so yeah i'm leaving in about an hour and a half what do you hope to get out of this uh conference like well Well... Sigh. I don't know. I mean, I'm just generally concerned about AI safety, but it's like, what should we do about it? I don't know.

Have some kind of regulatory oversight of some kind. It's like you can't just go build a nuclear bomb in your backyard. That's against the law, and you'll get thrown in prison if you do that. How much of a concern is it? I think maybe more dangerous than a nuclear bomb. Really? Yes. How much of a concern is it if another country develops it before us?

I don't know if that, we should just be concerned about AI being anti-human. That's sort of the thing that matters. So, potentially. I'm saying it's like a genie letting a genie out of a bottle. You know, it's sort of like a magic genie that can make wishes come true. magic genie that can make wishes come true. Except usually when they tell those stories, that doesn't

end well for the person who let the genie out of the bottle. Right. Do you think we're creating a life form? Yeah. I mean, it's something that is indistinguishable from intelligence, an intelligent life form, certainly.

I keep coming up against this idea. I keep banging it in my head that we're some sort of an electronic caterpillar that's creating a cocoon. And we don't even realize what we're doing. And we're about to give birth to some technological butterfly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's, we're on the cusp of an artificial intelligence revolution. And, you know, for the longest time, or for a very long time, we've been the smartest creatures on Earth.

That's been our defining characteristic. I mean, speaking of martial arts, I mean, I don't think anyone should challenge a silver vacarilla to a fight. You know, even if you're very good at martial arts, that thing's going to kill you. You know, it literally walks on its fists. If those fists meet your face, it's game over. So we're not stronger than a gorilla. We're not faster than other animals. We're smarter. Now what happens when there's something way smarter than us?

Where does it go? That's a good question. Yeah. Well, listen, go talk to those people. Go school them. And I hope something good comes out of it. And thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming in here. It's been fun. Good to see you. Always good to thank you for your time. Appreciate you coming in here.

It's been fun. Good to see you. Always good to see you. Thank you. Thanks for everything, man. Thanks for buying Twitter, too. You're welcome. Really, it means a lot to people.

Hopefully it was a force for good. You know, that was aspirationally a force for good. I think, at the very least, it stopped a lot of bad. Yeah. Good. All right. Bye, everybody. All right.

Bye. All right. Bye, everybody. All right.