The Joe Rogan Experience - #2068 - Cameron Hanes

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and host of the podcast “Keep Hammering with Cameron Hanes.” www.cameronhanes.com

the Joe Rogan experience you know juiced up with stem cells feel any different are we live yet oh we are yeah oh yeah I feel I don't know you said I can't do anything for a few days, though. Yeah. You really should be taking time off. We were talking about how Shane Dorian went down to Tijuana, and he got this full-body stem cell treatment, and they injected his discs,

and they did all this jazz, and they told him, don't do anything for eight weeks. Yeah. You'd walk, but just let it heal. Let it heal. Eight weeks? I know it's hard. Hey, could I get a little more volume? Oh, you can turn it right there.

Oh, wait. On that little thing. Yeah. We're like a radio station now. We've got real equipment. You've got a cough button, too, if you have to cough. See? Pretty cool.

That's pretty... See, I don't have this. See, I'm bare bones. I'm like Mattel version podcast. You're like. You're way ahead of me when I started. I started with a webcam. Yeah.

Yeah. Fucking. Yeah. I know, but you're the godfather. You're the OG. I'm definitely not. No. Adam Curry's the godfather.

He's the podfather. He was doing it like five years before me. At least. At least five years before me at least hmm least five years for me well you caught up yeah caught up but he does it like much more underground like he stays he's got everything how does he have his setup everything is like subscription-based he does I don't think even has advertised love it tight they have it tied into crypto, so everything's bits. You can tip with bits and stuff, and it's distributed.

But he's a super nerd. He's into all that crypto shit. I just, it's too much for me. I like bow hunting. That's all I'm into. I don't have time for this crypto stuff. Right. I believe in it.

I think it holds promise. Every now and then, one of those FTX things happens where everybody loses billions. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. That's why I didn't get involved in any of that shit. There's a few of those companies that try to get me involved in sponsors and stuff like that and do ads. And I was like, what are you doing? What is this? And also, what about those card things?

Oh, you mean an NFT? Yeah. Yeah, see, that is not real. I guess it's sort of an NFT, but that's really just an art gift from this guy Beeple. And Beeple, who is this really cool artist who puts up a new piece of art every day, 365 days a year. He does stuff like that. Have you ever seen his stuff? I think maybe.

Pull up Beeple's Instagram. It's wild, wild shit. But he actually has a gallery. And in his gallery, he has things like this, but enormous ones, like big giant things that he's made and all these. It's really cool stuff. So that's a different kind of an NFT. Yeah, that's pretty sick.

His NFTs are, you're getting digital, actual digital art, and it actually comes like this thing that he sent us. It's like, it moves. It's got like a little QR code and you can scan that.

It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a different sort of experience. But for the most part, I think the NFT shit, that's Sam Bank from Freed in Jail, whack it It's pictures of his ex. That's him. Put that picture up. That's his cell. He's got the other guy on the wall with his eyes crossed out. That's the guy that ratted him out. An I heart.

See, there's a lot. Look at his. That's his ex-girlfriend. See his lotion there? Yes. Luberderm. Hilarious. I mean, this is the kind of shit this guy does, and he does it every day. That is funny. Hilarious.

That is funny. He's a super cool guy, too. We had him in. Yeah. He was a lot of fun. So that I understand. That is digital art. I understand that.

But there's a lot of the NFTs, like the Bored Ape Yacht Club. Yeah. I was like, what is it? Yeah. For a while there, it seemed like everybody was making like millions. I'm like, what do I got to do here? And so can I make a hunting photo and NFT and just make a bunch of money? Or how does this work?

I think a lot of people thought that at first. And maybe if you hopped on the bandwagon at the very beginning before everybody kind of woke up, there's no there there. Right. So, like, here's the thing. Like, people like, well, it's yours and you own it. Yeah, but I could take a screenshot of it and I have it on my phone. Where are you going to look at it other than your phone?

I literally have what someone paid a million dollars for if I wanted to get a screenshot of it. I could get that and then it's on my phone. It's not even a different resolution. Like, what? Oh, but it's not in your crypto wallet. Okay. I guess you win. I love this argument. It's on my phone. It's not even a different resolution. Like, what? Oh, but it's not in your crypto wallet. Okay.

I guess you win. I love this argument. It's fun. But that's the same. Do you have a screenshot of the Mona Lisa on your phone? You don't own the Mona Lisa. No, no, no, no, no. It's very different because the Mona Lisa is a physical painting made by a master artist that's in a frame.

And you could look at it and you could ponder the thought behind it, the artistic expression, the technique in brush strokes and painting. This guy from hundreds and hundreds of years ago created this masterpiece that endures today. Couldn't you do that on your phone too? I mean, you could like... Yeah, but it's a paint... Look, if you had a copy of the Mona Lisa,

like a print, and you put that on your wall, I could – I mean, that still has merit. That's still a piece of art. But the Bored Ape Yacht Club, pull up one of them Bored Apes. Well, with this, with the Salvatore Monday, it would solve a lot of the problem with this because you would have known that Leonardo made it because when it was first printed and he made it for sale, ideally 500 years ago, it would have been on the blockchain. And the history of that would have been known. And there was only one of them made and all of that. If it was an NFT 500 years ago? I'm saying if it was equivalent to what NFTs are now, the problem that existed with that whole documentary and who made it, was it repainted and all that kind of stuff would never have been that whole thing would have never existed okay but this

that's not the best example i see what you're saying it's an example though yeah this is a way more complicated story do you know about that thing go back to that image again please that thing is wild because that is supposedly a lost leonardoci supposedly but the problem is there's a whole documentary on it is it called the lastly the lost Leonardo is that the documentary it sounds right I mean the picture is called Salvatore Mundi right what is the documentary but that painting was the most expensive painting I believe ever sold hmm or one of the most expensive and they auctioned it at Christie's and it sold for 450 million dollars yeah now here's the problem with it

most of that painting has been recreated most of that painting has been touched up by a modern artist it's this woman and they show her doing it over like i think it was over a decade of working just on this one you know like 36 by 24 whatever the size painting is not a really big painting this lady worked on this one painting so i think some so she influenced it not just influenced it yeah most of the work is her work like Like show the original. This is what happened. Someone found it somewhere at some sale and they bought it for like really cheap. And then as they're starting to go over this, it's all documented in this lost Leonardo movie. As they're starting to go over it, they start thinking like, I think this is Leonardo da Vinci's work.

And so then it sells for quite a bit more, but then they have it brought to this lady who's an art restorer, and she retouches it. But there's a lot of problems with it. And some of the problems are that it seems like it was multiple times it was painted over, and

it seems like more than one artist painted it. And what they had originally versus what it is now looks very different. Like, see if you can find it. I'm trying to find the correct example that you're describing. But here's one example of it. This is a 1913 version of it. And then it got cleaned up in 2005.

Wow. Right. But there was a way worse version of it that they bought. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, so that was two years later. That's it. Here's the restored version where they took everything off of it. Yeah.

So is that what that is? Like all those white stripes is the restored version? It says clean state. Clean state. Okay. So they had to take off the paint that was put on to clean it up after they restored it in 19-what was it? I mean, this was just found in a collection in like the early 1900s, I think 19 what was it i mean that this was just i was found in a collection in like the early 1900s i think that was the other one that was restored like the pencil

one yeah that one right there so so the one on the left they were saying like maybe this is leonardo and so they clean it up but then this lady goes and paints over it so like look go back back up please go back up to that. So that image is kind of fucked up. Like if you're going to buy that, how much is that worth? Right. I mean,

it's beautiful. Like look at the hand. It's incredible. You would think, well, maybe this is Leonardo da Vinci, but so then this lady goes over the whole thing and then show it the final version.

I think it's at the bottom. Okay. And the final version is pretty stunning. This is the after restor's on the right. Yeah. During restoration on the left. It's so much more detailed than the original one that was all fucked up. Yeah.

So, like, is that a Leonardo or is it that lady who did it? It seems like it's that lady. It's a collab. Yeah, it's a collab. But that's not how it's being sold at. If you get the Mona Lisa, that's It's a collab. Yeah, it's a collab, but that's not how it's being sold That's if you get the Mona Lisa, that's the fucking Mona Lisa. Yeah, right That is Leonardo da Vinci's work and they kept it in Pristine condition for all these years. This is like some weird shit

So MBS the ruler of Saudi Arabia owns it and he just keeps it on a yacht The Mona Lisa no that thing. Oh that lost Leonardo He tried to make a deal And he just keeps it on a yacht. The Mona Lisa? No, that thing. Oh, that one. The Los Leonardo. He tried to make a deal. Apparently, they talk about this in the documentary, that he wanted to put it at the Louvre in Paris next to the original Mona Lisa. And the people in Paris were like, yeah, we don't even know what this is. Take four of those. Four?

Yeah, I'd take four or six if you want to be smart. I didn't take your whole bottle. Come on, man. We're shooting you up with stem cells. We're giving you alpha brain. You're having the full Austin experience here, Cam Ains. Here's these goofy apes. I don't know if that's why we brought it up.

Well, those are worth millions. Yeah. Well. Jamie bought these. I have one. Did you know the last time we mentioned his T-shirts and he made $3,000? Which ones? Pull that up, Jamie t-shirts?

Which t-shirts? Yeah, mostly I think. We just did a little mention at the end of the podcast because he said he had this big spike in sales. And he's like, what the hell happened on this day? And it was like us talking because I mentioned something about young Jamie. The best one is the, I looked into it, the rainbow. That's a fun one. I was thinking of giving that to Grush. I didn't have it in my head on time.

Like he's looked into it the most. Yeah, he's looked into it the most. So you were saying that you're on the fence, off the fence about Grush. The story I was hearing is, it's just, it's a lot. I'm going to skip a lot of it, but what I was reading and slash what they were saying is that one possibility that could be going on

is there is in, I think we're taking in some of Graham Hancock stuff too. If people were around on Earth 500,000 years ago, in some way, there was some split and a second set of humans continued on. And we're like in this inter-dimension space where they're both happening simultaneously. And that's where like,

if he was saying this, no, no, no, no. This is from the, I'm gathering this all from like that video. I'm adding in some agreement,

Hancock stuff too. Cause this kid and also interviewed him, Jesse Michaels on his, on his podcast. And they're talking about some of the same stuff, but something they said in the Grush interview on his podcast. They're talking about some of the same stuff. But something they said in the Grush interview on his podcast was that an idea would be that these people exist

on a split timeline from us. Like we had cataclysms and died and repopulated and whatnot. Now we've ended in this place in 2023 with combustion engines and we're flying around. These people would have been in a different anti-gravity, who knows what they figured out. And they went somewhere else?

I think, they're not even saying that. This is where they're not going to talk, they haven't talked about that, but I think what they're saying or getting at maybe is that they're here, and that's why the nuclear thing is so important to them. They're on the same planet as us, and if we blow up the planet, it goes away for them too.

So they're here, we just don't know where they are? And that's where the interdimension thing comes in. That's what I'm gathering out of what I've heard. How high were you when you came up with this theory? I don't think I'm saying it's my theory. This is what they're sort of saying, and Grush is sort of like, that's an interesting thing you're saying.

He's not confirming it with them or anything, but it's a lot to take in. That's definitely for sure. It's all a thing you're saying. He's not confirming it with them or anything, but it's a lot to take in. That's definitely for sure. It's all a lot to take in. David Grush is that UFO whistleblower that testified in front of Congress. Yeah. It's hard to say, man. The thing about it is I believe he's telling the truth as far as what he's experienced and the documents that he uncovered and the people that he talked to.

experience and the documents that he uncovered and the people that he talked to. But how do you know whether or not they're just using him as a useful idiot to just get out some silly story because they're covering up for the fact that there's some very advanced drone system that the United States government has. They're trying to keep under wraps. Right. It might be both. I'd have to know. I think it's probably both things.

Here's the thing. You're out in the woods all the time. You ever see a UFO? No. Ever see Bigfoot? No. Ever talk to a hunter that's seen a UFO? No.

Ever talk to a hunter that's seen Bigfoot? I talked to, so. Really? The guys down at San Carlos, the Apache Reservation. Yeah. They said they've seen stuff. Okay. Were they on peyote?

I don't know. Because I know a lot of those they on peyote? I don't know I don't think so it's been like multiple times what kind of stuff? like something square flying oh interesting because that is the thing that they describe

it's a square with a sphere inside of it no the opposite a sphere with a black inside of it like a black no the opposite yeah a sphere with a black square yeah like a field or something yeah so that's i don't know anybody other than that that's a that's the first story i've heard from somebody who i have talked to well that kind of makes sense because that thing they do, that's a common one. Some flying square inside a sphere, like a translucent sphere. And that's like legitimate pilots have seen that. That's a weird one.

My theory, and this is totally unfounded without any research whatsoever. Those are the best kind. This is my favorite kind of theory. My theory is that they have this ability to make something move in this insane way with gravity, but they can't put a body in it and they can't put weapons in it. It's just an object that they can get to move at insane rates of speed. That's what I think. I think the military applications of this thing have yet to be figured out. I think the military applications of this thing have yet to be figured out. But I think they do have something that can do things that we have no knowledge of.

But the United States government is probably, they probably have in their possession something that was either back engineered from something from somewhere else, or something that they developed in a completely top-secret environment with the top research scientists probably during the wars, during World War II and III, or III, Vietnam. That's impending. And in Iraq and Afghanistan. Think about the amount of money that gets funneled through the government. that gets funneled through the government. And they don't, I mean, didn't the Pentagon just for the sixth year in a row fail their audit?

Imagine if you failed your audit six years in a row. Boy, they'd crawl up your ass with a fucking microscope. I think, is that what it was? They've never passed it. But yeah, they got those corrected to say fail sixth audit with number passing grades. So there's a lot of money flowing around is my point. Yeah.

And who knows how much of that money is going to these secret programs that we don't know about. Yeah. Yeah, I know. And if they did that and they did have the top scientists and if I was the fucking president and I was the chief of staff and I was running the Pentagon, I would want the best scientists. So I'd recruit the best scientists and I'd said, hey, you know, this is national security. We're working on this project. It uses gravity propulsion. Shut the fuck up.

Don't tell anybody. But you get to work on some cool shit. Yeah. And you get paid a lot of money. You get paid a lot of money. And you get to be a part of one of the most insane discoveries in human history. So this is what we're working on. Yeah.

I think that's likely too. But then you got to go back to like the Foo Fighters from the 1940s and the crash at Roswell and that you also have to be open to the possibility that like, look, there's a lot of planets out there. A lot of planets out there. It's very possible that we're not alone. Yeah. It seems like we would have found something by now.

If you could go to another planet and bow hunt... That'd be sick. I wouldn't do it. No? Imagine if you'd be the first guy to eat a deer from another planet and you just fucking die instantly. That's a good way to go.

No, it's not. It's a dumb way to go. The good way to go is to send some fucking prisoners over there. Send some murderers. Send some school shooters. fucking prisoners over there. Send some murderers. Send some school shooters. Send them over there to eat a space deer. I guess you could, yeah, test them out.

Just say either you kill this and eat it or you die because there's no food. So good luck. And then see what happens. Exactly. Yeah. But some housekeeping real quick. Thank you for getting me down here for the stem cells. My pleasure.

Ways to well. Shout out to ways to well. Yeah, that's good. I like that I had blokes is kind of coming on too. They offer the same thing. Ways to well offers the same thing. But it seems like those type of outfits are really going to gain popularity because of the distrust in the medical yes whatever like your your regular doctor that was telling you oh yeah you got to get this vaccine this and that and now it's you know obviously there's distrust there so i think

people are thinking do i need a doctor what do i what's a doctor for just pushing prescriptions on me so now they can kind of take their health into their own hands, get their blood panels done, see where they are, you know, on a bunch of different markers. And that's what Ways to Well and Blokes does. And I think a lot of people are going to be doing that instead of calling their family doctor. Well, a lot of family doctors, unfortunately, just don't have that knowledge base. They don't understand peptides. They'll tell you not to take things and they don't have any knowledge of it themselves. You talk to them They have a potbelly, you know, well, you don't need any vitamins and get everything you want from a balanced diet Why they're eating cheeseburgers well, and they do that you're like your markers and they're saying well, this is say with test

They'll say well your testosterone is within a normal range normal, right? Yeah normal compared to another fucking normal range. Yeah. Normal compared to another fucking normal guy. You see the normal American these days. I don't want to be anywhere near that guy. I want to be like my own category. So yeah. So yeah. Optimize, um, built for performance, you know, get your body at the highest level, not compared to the average American. Right. So that's where, I don't know. Well, there's a lot of peptides that are very beneficial. And some of them they've even pulled from the market because they're beneficial.

And it's one of the things they did with thymus. And thymus was used during COVID. A lot of people were using it to help them recover from COVID. So they pulled it. So they made it so you can't access thymus. Because they're trying to make money off of it. Exactly. Yeah.

And these compounding pharmacies can make it, and they make it fairly cheaply. It's not expensive. And they're doing that with BPC-157 as well because so many athletes use BPC-157. It's a very common one for helping heal injuries, and it works. It works really well. I know a lot of people that use it. A lot of fighters can't use it, unfortunately, but a lot of jiu-jitsu guys use it. MMA fighters in the UFC at least can use it.

So they test for it? Yeah. but a lot of jiu-jitsu guys use it. MMA fighters in the UFC at least can use it. So they test for it? Yeah, unfortunately I don't think they should because I think what it does is help you heal. And I think if you're in a sport that literally most of the time you're getting smashed, most of the time you're getting kicked and punched and you're always dealing with injuries, wouldn't we want to help these guys get to the finish line, like get to the fight? Because a lot of injuries, like Gordon Ryan was supposed to compete the beginning of December and then the end of December in jiu-jitsu,

and he just fucked his rib up. He just tore his rib. This is a normal thing that happens with jiu-jitsu guys. It's a normal thing that happens with UFC guys. But Gordon will have access to ways to well, and they'll give him all the best peptides. They'll figure out what's the best protocol in order to help heal that. And he'll get back on track much quicker than someone, if they were fighting in the UFC, who had no access to those things because they're being constantly tested. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think they should test for that. I think they should figure out what's cheating and what's just helping you heal. And let's, you know, let's not let guys take trend and fucking D ball and all this crazy shit. Yeah. Let's not do that. But I don't see any problem with things like BBC one five seven that are just all it's going to do is help your body heal quicker. Right. That's what we want. We want to get better quicker. You're in the business of breaking bodies. You're in the business of literally kicking guys' legs out from under them and punching them in the stomach. We should have some shit that makes you heal quicker. Just be healthy. It's not gaining an advantage over another fighter. The only advantage is

you won't be injured as long, which is a very good thing that we should apply to everyone. It's not dangerous. It doesn't have horrible side effects. It's not something that's scary and it's going to fuck up your reproductive system. It doesn't do any of those things. It just helps you heal faster. And I think these organizations, UFC and all the other ones as well, they should embrace all these different things and just stop treating it like... The problem is really it was baseball. This is the problem. This is where everybody got it in their head that it's cheating. It was Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa.

And when those guys were on that fucking home run competition and they were cracking them out of the park and they both looked like superheroes. It was awesome. It was awesome. Don't forget Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds, right? Yeah. Barry Bonds as well.

But yeah, that was like, that was a heyday of baseball. Oh. So you're trying to make people not care? Yeah. But those guys were juiced to the tits. And baseball, which is the American pastime, we associated steroids and baseball with cheating. He's a cheater. We're not cheaters.

We're Americans. Right. You know. But listen, if you could get a hold of any NFL player in between camp like what are the odds

sportsman of the year what year was that why they wearing togas cause they're gladiators but do gladiators wear togas I don't know who wearing togas? Because they're gladiators. But do gladiators wear togas? I don't know. Who wears togas? Those guys wear togas.

Oh, Animal House? Yeah, I guess. They were with John Belushi? Yeah, look at Mark McGuire with the glass of milk and the baseball bat. That's hilarious. It's like if milk gave him those guns. The size of those guns. Go and go and gone.

I'm drinking milk. Let's see Barry Bonds I want to see him oh Barry Bonds got super jacked I know he was so good just naturally

and then he added all that muscle and I was oh look at this yeah if they could allow those guys to do the sauce look how skinny it was

at first and then boom but he was so good when he was skinny yeah oh he was great in the beginning and then got that extra horsepower from all that clear,

the stuff they were rubbing on him. I know. I had that guy on, the guy from Balco. Victor? What was his name? Victor Conte? Yeah. He explained it all and how it's all done and what they did.

Very fascinating. Yeah, because I remember McGuire said he was taking like Androl or it was some supplement you could buy. Androstenedione. Oh, that's what, and it just skyrocketed off the shelves. Yeah. He probably took that too. Yeah. You know, I know that stuff did work.

It gave you a little bump. I couldn't tell you what I take that works because I take 30 different things. Right. So he probably wasn't lying. He's like, yeah, I take this and here's the results. But I take a handful of who knows what. I take a lot more stuff now after that Gary Brekka podcast. I started taking methylated B vitamins and all sorts of other stuff that he was at a good, I didn't listen to that one. Was it good? Great one. That's a great one. Holy shit. He goes deep. Yeah. That's an amazing one. Oh, it's a fucking great one. That's a great one. Holy shit, he goes deep.

Yeah, that's an amazing one. He changed Dana White's life. I mean, Dana White was basically on death's door, and he put him on a ketogenic diet. Now Dana looks fucking 15 years younger. He does, yeah. He looks amazing. Well, he's in this light bed.

He's got this red light bed every day, and his face just looked better. One of the things that happens when you lose fat, and this definitely happened to me recently, you lose fat in your face. So your face starts to sink in around here. It kind of looks like shit. You need Botox. No, that's not going to help because you're losing face fat. It's also collagen. You don't have as much collagen as you're older, as you do when you're younger. So if you're a younger person, you have a lean face. It doesn't look as bad as when you're an older person. You know who said that once?

William Shackner. He was like 80 years old. He's talking about how he gains weight because it keeps the wrinkles away. Because it keeps a fat face and you don't have as many wrinkles. My daughter watches all these like before and after things. So it's like, I think buckle fat removal. I think buckle fat is somewhere on your face buckle i don't know jamie what's buckle fat buckle fat yeah i think it's like what you're talking about maybe well what i'm talking about is when you if you're a fat person you're not going to have a gaunt face right but if you're a person who loses weight here it is buckle oh b-u-c-c-a-l fat removal yeah oh so they take that out so they have more like the high cheekbones oh i see so it's like sculpting yeah see like that so you're making

your face sculpting right so that's you're just doing that naturally you're more sculpted yeah i'm just i lost a lot of face fat for sure i lost a lot of fat, but that's all from carnivore diet. That changed everything for me. How come has Dana ever been on the podcast? Yeah. He has? Yeah. He's been on. When? A while back. He'll do it again. I'm sure he'll do it again. I don't, man, I never remembered him being on. Yeah. He was just at the club the other night. He came to the club Thursday night, Wednesday night, Wednesday night. Yeah. Just a couple of nights ago. Oh, good. Yeah. He was coming to hang out. He's great. I love that dude. He looks fucking amazing.

He does. I know. He looks so good. He looks so much... He looks like a different person. But at first, his face was looking gaunt, kind of like mine does, where your cheeks sunk in. But it's like, if you want a six-pack or you want a fat face, you don't get both. If you got a fat face, you don't get a six-pack.

No. Yeah, that's a given six pack. Your face gets thinner. But this red light thing is like plumped up his face with collagen and it just looks so healthy. His skin looks so healthy. I'm really impressed. But his energy level is so different. It's amazing. But he doesn't need any sugar anymore.

He doesn't drink alcohol anymore. And he's just fucking super healthy. No alcohol, huh? No alcohol. I mean, I'm sure occasionally maybe he'll have a drink, but he does not drink regularly. What's the next big fight? Well, there's a nice card this next weekend in Austin that we're going to go see. I'm pumped about that.

That should be fun. But then the big one is Colby versus Leon Edwards in Vegas. So for the welterweight title. And that's a couple weeks from now. That's a big one. That's a big one. That one's big. That one's exciting.

Ooh, that's a good one. What else is that card? Pull up that card, Jamie. Tony. Oh, that's right. Tony and Patty Pimblitt. Tony's training with David Goggins, which is crazy. I know.

Oh, Pantoja versus Brandon Royval for the flyweight world title. And Shavkat Rachmanov versus Wonderboy. Woo. That's going to be a good one. And Vicente Luque versus Ian Gary. Woo. Those are good fights. That's a good fight.

I'm very interested to see Tony after he's been training with David Goggins. There's a lot of very mixed reviews about whether or not that would be a good thing or a bad thing for him. Yeah, I read a bunch of those comments. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like, who else is on it? Oh, Josh Emmett's on that fight against Giga. Oh, Giga Chikadze's on that fight, too. Look at this card. Carter Gardbrand and Brian Kelleher. Oh, Josh Emmett's on that fight against Giga. Oh, Giga Chikadze's on that fight, too. Look at this card.

Cardi Garbrandt and Brian Kelleher. Oh, shit. This is all on the home. Dustin Jacoby and Alonzo Mennefield. Wow, this is a good fucking card, son. This is a good card. Holy shit. Yeah.

Go all the way back down there again, please. That card is fucking stacked. Yeah, that Cody fight will be good with Brian. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And Randy Brown versus Muslim Salikoff is a fucking killer fight, too. These are good fights, man. Holy shit.

That's a card from top to bottom. Yeah, that's a really good card. How many fights is that? 13 fights. 14? 14. 13 in the world title. That's a long good card. How many fights is that? 13 fights. 14? 14. 13 in the world title. That's a long day for you.

Ooh, yeah, that's a long day. This one, though. Who's going to win this one right there? Very interesting fight. Very interesting fight. You know, how is Colby doing? Because he was pretty fucked up by that sucker punch, right? Yeah, I think he's doing better

now yeah what what was the extent of the damage that i'm not i don't know what it amounted to um yeah i'm not sure because he was suing them and did they settle that i think they settled did i read that they settled did you see that yeah so he just said pay me bitch i think it was just you know proven a point yeah you can't be going around sucker punching yeah just kicked your ass i think you had your chance to punch him he had five rounds and it didn't work out at all i think it's just uh on principle yeah i think colby was just like no yeah i'm gonna make you pay yeah well you can't just let people get away with that. No.

Because then they're going to do it more often, and it's going to really muddy up the sport. It's going to be a real problem. It's a crime. I mean, you're literally committing crime. Don't do that. I think, yeah, I think Colby's going to get that one. You think so?

I want him to. I know you do because you like him. Yeah. I like Leon too. It's a good fight, I'll tell you that, because if you were going to pick someone, Jorge Masvidal pleads no contest to charge from altercation. This was November 6th. Oh, so this just happened.

So they haven't settled it yet. I think that was the end of it. If he pleaded no contest, okay, it says. The plea deal. It said that two felony charges of aggravated assault and criminal mischief were dropped as part of the plea agreement. There is a no stay away order in the agreement. Also a no stay away order. What does that mean?

What's a no stay away? I can understand a stay away order. Like a restraining order, I think. But not a no stay away. There is no stay away order is what it's saying. But it says there's also no stay away order. Like a restraining order, I think. But not a no stay away. There is no stay away order is what it's saying. But it says there's also no stay away order

in the agreement. Right. There isn't a stay away order. So he doesn't have to stay away. So they can hang out with each other. Yeah. The 38-year-old

has been facing over 10 years in prison. The case stems from altercation, da-da-da-da-da, punched him twice, breaking his tooth, even causing

an alleged brain injury. The incident occurred just a few weeks after Covington defeated Masvidal by unanimous decision in the main event. Masvidal says, I just beat the case. I want to thank God. I also want to thank my attorney because I'm a free fucking man. Fuck you, Colby. It's going to be a fucking movie now. All these orders, all these restraining orders, all these things have been lifted off.

It's going to be a fucking movie. I don't know what that means. Who's going to play Jorge? That'd be a boring-ass movie. A guy sucker punches a guy and then gets off. That's a movie? Thank you. Thank you, Jesus. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to be a movie.

Yeah, I think that brain injury, that's just, maybe he had a concussion. Yeah, he don't know if it's going to be a movie. Yeah. I think that brain injury, that's just maybe he had a concussion. Yeah. I mean, so. He probably had a concussion. I mean, if he got sucker punched, most likely he got a concussion. The thing is, like, you can only get so many of those in your life. Yeah.

And if you get a big one right before you're going to fight Leon Edwards, it's good that he took a lot of time off because he did take a lot of time off. Yeah, he did. It was like two years, right? Yeah, almost. Yeah Yeah be pretty close. Um Leon is fucking good man. That's a good fight But if you wanted to pick someone who have a really good shot at Leon It would be someone who's an elite grappler who has an incredible gas tank who can push a ferocious pace

Mm-hmm, that's Colby and Colby wades right into the fire he starts it off like that just to i think keep him honest you know he'll come in throwing bombs because they know he wants to take him down so he's got to keep that honest i think and just like get him thinking about the big punches too yeah he's got to get him thinking that this isn't just takedowns and if you just think about takedowns i'm throwing haymakersmakers your way. Yeah. He's fucking good, man. I mean, everybody other than Usman got fucked up by Colby. Everybody. And the Usman that faced Leon Edwards, man, I don't want to make excuses for Usman, but there is a reality of that guy's knees.

Yeah. It's an inescapable reality that I know firsthand. I've talked to him about it. I know people that have treated him I know his knees are so fucked up. It is just his mind Yeah that allows him to compete at that level we were talking about it during the last fight When you see the difference between his upper body and his legs, right? His legs are like smooth and they're not that muscular and then then you look at his upper body, he's a fucking superhero.

His upper body is so much better because he can't do much with his legs, man, which is so crazy. Yeah. This guy is one of the greatest UFC welterweight champions in history. And he did it. Compromised, yeah. With fucked up knees. Yeah. He has to walk backwards downstairs.

Yeah. That's insane what he did. Insane. But how old is he now? 36 backwards downstairs. Yeah, that's insane what he did. Insane. But how old is he now? 36, 37. Yeah. And then he just lost to Hamzat. Yeah.

Which is, it's just, boy, look, when that fight was announced, I was like, ooh, that's a great fight. But if I was in Kamara's ear. It was on short notice, too. If I was in Kamara's ear, I'm like, dude, no. If I was in Kamara's ear, I'm like, dude. No. And I would have said that same thing to Volkanovski. I said, no. Not on short notice.

Not 10 days. You're the world champion. You're not just the world champion. You're one of the best ever. Yeah. And you have a real opportunity to go down in history as the greatest of all time. Then he gets head kicked with a 10-day camp and he gets knocked out. Like, that counts.

Well, and it also can change your career. A hundred percent. Yeah. And a head kick like that could change your life. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the extent of the damage is, but there's been some head kicks where, like, Terry Edom, when Terry Edom fought Edson Barboza,

Edson Barboza wheel kicked Terry Edom in the head, and and we kind of never saw Terry Adam fight at that level ever again. It was a devastating kick. He wheel-kicked him and just shut him off. I believe it was the first wheel-kick knockout in the history of the UFC. I'm pretty sure. And it was perfect. It was just like the perfect example of how devastating that kick is when applied properly. And Terry Adam was like a world-class contender.

And he kind of never was the same again, and he disappeared. Yeah, that's a risk. I mean, everybody likes somebody who will go out on their shield and take any fight and always game. But, man. Ten days is not enough. What's the risk? Because obviously he wasn't in shape, so he's having to lose all that weight, you know, 30 pounds or whatever he had to lose.

You're not going to beat your best. No way. No way you're going to beat your best. You're fighting the champion. But then you have the opposite, which is Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall fights Pavlich and takes that fight on two weeks' notice and becomes the interim champion and fucks his back up and can't train at all. That is crazy.

Also, though, he's a heavyweight and he doesn't have to cut weight. Yeah, that's what I'm just going to say. The bigger guys, I think, it's not quite the same. It's not quite the same. Doesn't have to cut weight, which is a giant factor. So he doesn't have to do massive amounts of cardio and he could literally just let his body heal. And I don't know what he was even able to do. His back apparently was pretty fucked up. Yeah. But the other good thing was that Pavlich is not a

grappler in fact his lone loss was to Alistair Overeem and Alistair got him down the ground and ground and bounded him that was very early in his career but Aspinall like that guy's he's something special he really is something special he's a very unusual very unusual example because he's a heavyweight, and he's a big guy, a really big guy, but he moves so fast. And his coach, I think it's Colin. I forget how to say his last name. How do you say his last name? Colin Hune?

I forget. It's from Caban. This gym that he trains at in the UK. From the time he was young, emphasized his speed. So you knew he was going to be a big guy. You're always going to be a big guy. Yeah. Colin Heron. That's it. Breaks down Curtis Blades Challenge. Okay. So who is uh he trained darren till he's he looks tough himself i'm sure he's tough you don't train those guys unless you're tough but the the point is that like colin from the early days of the uh of the career was like emphasizing his speed and so his speed has always been like extraordinary compared to other heavyweights like

he just fucking moves in it's all like fast explosive movements so he's got natural speed but then he's also got a lot of training to execute quickly so when he moves in he closed the gap you can see like fuck he's fast for a big guy right yeah it's uh yeah uh i don't know and when i think of volk that fight you know was very close he lost the first time that was at the full camp at his best yep i mean yep yeah i think part of it was he said he didn't he needed something to do too wasn't he like that idle time was killing him yeah it was killing mentally but he's got a fight with ilia toporia who is a fucking killer oh my god that guy punches so hard oh he does everything so good ilia toporia is uh that guy

is he is fucking special he's a real challenge when he fought mitchell because i thought bryce mitchell i mean he's good bryce mitchell's very good and he beat the shit out of him he beat the shit out of him but also bryce mitchell. But also Bryce Mitchell apparently was recovering from a flu. Oh, sick. That's right. He said he wasn't making excuses. So, I mean. He wasn't making excuses, but here's an excuse.

Maybe. I mean, I get it. I'm sure he's telling the truth. That was a freaking. It's a normal thing to happen in camp. But that impressed me how good. Yeah. What's his name?

Toporia. Yeah. Well, then the emmett fight was really impressive he beat the fuck out of josh emmett and josh emmett is a hammer he's a scary dude and i think to pour you a special he's so volks fighting him next yes and he's fighting him after getting knocked unconscious yeah you know and i mean look all fair play to islam because makachev looked fucking fantastic. He made all the adjustments between the first fight and the second fight.

One of the first things he did was heavy kicks to the body from the left side, which set up that high kick. Threw a lot of front kicks down the middle. I mean, he was hammering Volk from the outside. Volk did a lot of things in the first fight that he just could not do in the second fight because Makachev had improved so much. And I think the embarrassment of having a very close fight with a guy that you're supposed to steamroll, you know, and a guy who's the 145 pound champ, you're the 155 pound

champ, you're talking about going to 170. And you have this incredibly close fight with this guy, and you're not able to submit him and he's laughing at you and talking shit and at the end of the fight he's beating you up. He's on top beating you up. I think that was a very, very strong motivating factor and Makachev just trained like a fucking monster for the second fight, which was supposed to be not,

who was it supposed to be? Oliveira. It was supposed to be Oliveira. Oliveira gets injured, but the point is like, He was at his very he's at his very best very best always getting better yeah he's the best pound for pound fighter in the world now and i'm telling you that argument could have been before that fight it could have been volkanovski you could have said volkanovski's the best even though he lost that fight he's going up in weight extremely close i kind of

thought he won the fight i gave him him the nod, but very close. It's not a robbery, but very close. But now you've got to say, well, Makachev, he's better. He's better than he was the first fight. And we don't really get a chance to see if Volkanovski was better. Because Volkanovski didn't have a camp. You have to have a camp. The difference between these guys with a camp and without a camp is giant.

It's like the difference between fighting at 40% and 100%. I couldn't imagine. It's crazy. I mean, mentally, you'd have to, I don't know, how could you believe in yourself? That's what Kamaru said. Kamaru said he kept wondering whether or not he had the gas to go. Yeah. Didn't know if he had the gas to step on the gas.

And at the end of the fight, you started tuning. He did. Calms out up. He looked good in the third round. I was wishing that fight was two more rounds. I was wishing they just fucking figured out some shit for his knees. Yeah. If that guy didn't have bad knees, who's gonna

touch him? Yeah. He was so good in his prime. God damn. Especially when he got his, he got that power. You know, at first he didn't have it. It didn't seem like. He was you know, hardcore wrestling. But then, I first he didn't have it. It didn't seem like. He was, you know, hardcore wrestling. But then, I mean, he hit Colby a couple times. We stopped Colby.

But how when he knocked out Masvidal with one shot. Yeah, that was brutal. Power. Lights out. Yeah, he's a real warrior, man. But the thing that impresses me the most is his mind. The fact that he can overcome that pain. The fucking guy's in pain walking.

You know? It's like Goggins. Yeah. Like people know now because we've talked about it. Goggins just got another fucking knee surgery. Yeah. I mean his knees. After Tony or before Tony?

Before Tony. Yeah. His knees are destroyed. They're destroyed. It's bone on bone. There's nothing going on there other than two bones banging into each other and he's running thousands of miles. The doctor looked at David's knees and he said, I don't understand how you could walk, never mind run a thousand miles. Right.

How the fuck are you doing this? And it's just the mind. Yeah. And that's the same thing with Kamaru. Kamaru just, he just like puts that shit aside. How do you think that, what do you think about Tony training with David? What do you think it's going to do? I don't know. I don't know because we've never seen anybody train with David before.

Yeah. You know, like you could say on one hand, look, clearly when the two of them are training together, Dave is not struggling at all and Tony is struggling. So there is definitely some ground to gain when it comes to endurance and mental strength but endurance

Dave is not even fucking tired they're going side by side with each other who's going to carry the boats he's not even fucking tired because he can go for days he's an endurance athlete there's without a doubt some benefit in that. Yeah. So look at the two of them are doing that and they're doing the workouts together. Yeah. And David looks like he's

like hanging out at fucking planet fitness, you know, trying to pick up a chick, you know, like he's like, so what are you doing after this? You know what I mean? Like he looks like Tony's standing up. Tony's dying. Tony's dying. I think he pukes here one of these videos. I'm sure he puked atop but David said that Tony was the first guy to get through Hell Week. Yeah, which is incredible So they're doing miles of lunges miles and David's doing all this look at his knees Destroyed knees. Yeah, and this is just a few weeks after another fucking surgery yeah his they opened up his knee like a fish and sewed that bitch back up together i don't know what the fuck they did to it he's such a stud he's an animal just a fucking pure

machine you know who hates him who weak men yeah weak men and jealous men and people who don't know him there's like he gets misunderstood, unfortunately, by some people that I like. They don't look into it hard enough. And then there's also a natural inclination to try to find someone who is just excelling above and beyond everyone and find shortcomings in them, pick them apart, find something. Instead of just look at the message that guy's saying. Right. What is he saying? He's saying, take control.

Take control. Use your fucking mind. Take control of your life and be better at everything. And you can do this. And I used to be a fat fuck and look at me now. That's a great message, man. That is. That message.

Anybody can use that. I mean, that message resonates with me. It resonates with you. It resonates with all the people that we know. That is a fucking message and a half and he's living it he's not just saying it he's living it yeah it's uh i think it's a national treasure oh so do i i mean i you know you have this quote i see it's been going around on reels talking about god there's a like a certain set of men who that are just i i can't remember how you say it it's so good i've been seeing people put put it on their own reels but like they're just built for

i don't know if it's chaos or something do you remember this spiel you had i've said a lot of things yes i know but it's like a good one that's really popular right now, but it describes people like David to a T. Yeah. And there are. There's a certain group of men who a lot of people aren't going to understand. Right. Because it's so different. But to those people, it's like those are the national treasure.

Those are the people. They're the beacon. It's like, okay, that's the goal. Well, most people, they don't understand what it's like to really test yourself and to really do something that's difficult all the time. I'm doing this thing now where I'm running this boot camp for comedians. Yeah, I've heard you talk about it. So I did it today. Yeah. And so Derek Poston just joined today.

Shout out to my man, Derek. So Hasan Ahmad, Derek, Brian Simpson, Duncan Trussell when he's in town. He wasn't in town today. And Shane Gillis. And we get after it. These guys are getting after it. That's awesome. And they start every day with 100 push-ups, 100 bodyweight squats.

We do five sets. And I tell them, you can't do 100. Don't do 100. You can do five push-ups in a row and you're struggling. Stop at five. I'm trying to build a base. Right. So, I said, I don't want you to kill yourself.

The whole idea here is we're just building a base and we're going to keep going. And they've been doing it consistently through this week. It was four times a week. We did it four times this week. Uh, when we were at the rock, we worked out for three hours. We did two hours of work. Four weeks, four weeks now. So they're four weeks in. Yeah. Nice. And we're very consistent. They should be seeing results. They're seeing results, but they're seeing weeks in. Yeah, nice. And we're very consistent. They should be seeing results. They're seeing results. Yeah. But they're seeing results in how they feel, like almost immediately. I bet. Because I'm not killing them. I'm not killing them.

But when The Rock was here, I killed him. When The Rock was here, I was like, we're going to get after it today. How'd that big fucker do? He did pretty good, except for the mobility stuff, like windmills. He struggled with windmills, and he struggled with a couple of things. Windmills? Is that the thing where you do those? Yeah.

Nobody can do those. Yeah. Nobody can do those. Yeah, I can do those. You can do them. People can do them. I can do them. Well, they require flexibility, but they require range of motion and core strength. That's a real core strength thing.

But that is a thing. Those in Turkish get-ups, they're not sexy. They don't give you big biceps, but those apply very well to functional strength like martial arts and things like that like if you got to carry a fucking elk quarter up a hill yeah they they really work for that because you can throw stuff around like your core yeah it can manipulate heavy things so i do it with 70 pounds right so i clean and press 70 pounds and then i have this this motion where i'm going all the way down like that and then all the way back up.

I know. I tried it. It works those lower back muscles. It works your abdominals. It works the strength and stability of your shoulder. It works everything. But that's not Turkish get-ups. No, Turkish get-ups, that's even harder. Yeah.

What do you do that with? Those guys are going to start that next week. Now they know. So Turkish get-ups. No, Turkish get-ups, that's even harder. Yeah. What do you do that with? Those guys are going to start that next week. Now they know. So Turkish get-ups is... They should be doing it with no weight, right? Well, I'm going to start them with 10 pounds. Something, I mean, just doing it is hard. Yeah, especially when you're doing reps.

We're going to start, they're going to do it with 10 pounds. What Turkish get-ups is, you lie on your back. You know what it is, right? You lie on your back, you press it, and then you get up. You get up to one leg, you lift it overhead, stand up, and then slowly lower yourself back down, lie back down on the ground again. Switch hands. Yeah. Get up,

all one leg, stand up, lower yourself down, and I'm going to show them the technique, how to hike your hips up, pop your hips up when you get one leg up. So you put one leg up, you pop your hips up, you get the other leg underneath you, and then you stand up. But it's not sexy. No.

But it's very, very, very functional. And it just breaks you down. There was this guy back in this gym that I trained. It's closed down now. It was international fitness. But his name is Will Dinwiddie. And he was the strongest guy I've ever seen, but he used to do that with 135. Like he'd put the Olympic bar with the 45s on it and do Turkish get-ups with

Oh my God. That's an animal. Oh, he also squatted 225, a hundred times without stop. Just like a hundred reps. I gave him a t-shirt. Just body weight. I gave him a t-shirt. I gave him a t-shirt just body weight I gave him a t-shirt yeah I know I gave him a one of my t-shirts this is like 10 years ago and I'm like you earned that I mean just took him seven minutes or something like that is it a keep hammering shirt or was it nobody cares try harder no I think it was a uh the greater the sacrifice the greater the reward or something like that god damn that's a crazy that's powerful yeah he he's a beast, that's powerful. Yeah. He, he's a beast. But anyway, that's where I first saw Turkish get up because he would put on, I mean, he'd be yelling and screaming and putting on a show over there. I told my boys, they were just starting

lifting and I'm like, that's the strongest guy in Springfield. And nobody knows him really other than in this gym, but he's just a freak. Have you ever heard of Tom Havilland? No. Okay. Who's that? This guy's a real weirdo. He's a freak that lives in Australia. And he does these insane workouts.

And he puts them on Instagram. Go to his Instagram. And he wears, like, fucking flannel shirts and jeans and shit. Private account. Private account. Is it? I don't know why. Join it. Well, I can't get access to it

until you approve it. Oh, shit. Hmm. Why is he private, Tom? I think because he doesn't want to be bothered because all he does is this guy's out in the outback fucking lifting homemade weights. He's 6'5", I think,

and he's 300 pounds. God. And just gigantic. I want to see him. And the workout, that's the guy. Holy shit. And the fucking workouts that this guy does. Oh, my God.

There's not a goddamn chance in hell he passed the piss test. I bet his piss melts styrofoam. But this guy, it's jailhouse strong. I don't even know if he's been in jail, but he looks like a guy that you wouldn't want to go to jail with. But, I mean, he's just absolutely freakishly powerful. Yeah, he is. This is like normal, conventional stuff. But the stuff that he does on his property, he does all this stuff outside.

So he's got fucking dogs running around and shit. And he's dead lifting 600 pounds and walking around with it. He does like freakish shit. And, uh, he documents it all on Instagram. I wish I could show you, I wish I could stream it to you,

Jamie. Man. Yeah. Yeah. He's a stud. I don't know. There's some guys. I love following guys like that.

But it's definitely private. So look at the kind of shit he does. So this is how he works out. Oh, yeah, yeah. He works out with a fucking lumberjack shirt on and pants. I've seen this guy. Outside. So he's got the most freakish physique ever and he's got it covered up I don't even know how much weight that is then most of the most of the videos. Are you seeing him 49 749?

Yeah, zurcher zurcher swaths. This is insane. And he's you see him from behind when he's doing all these things Yeah, so here he's pressing 612 He's pressing 6'12". He's benching 6'12". Like, what the fuck, dude? And he's just throwing it up there for reps, for five reps, 6'12". And just wants to be a freak. Just a freak.

That's the goal. Just a freak. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what his goals are other than that. But, I mean, some of the shit that he does is just fucking insanity. Look at this deadlift. Look at the size of that motherfucker. I know.

Now imagine also he's 6'5". God. 6'5", 300 pounds and just deadlifting. What's he deadlifting there? 1,003 pounds. Imagine how good like back in the first UFCs. Look at that. Look at his neck shit.

He'd be a perfect guy for the Remember when UFC started? Yeah, but not really, Hoyce would have strangled him I know, but it would have been fun to see him Look at the size of this motherfucker Holy shit Yeah, he does all this Atlas Stone stuff And a lot of the stuff he does is like

He carries things around a lot Which is very interesting He does a lot of explosive training And a lot of just carrying things. See how he's dragging? He drags him off so he's got weight on one side. Then he'll switch it to the other side.

Oh, he's 6'7". Fucking gigantic. The guy's so big. That's a freak show that Pride would have liked. Oh yeah, for sure. They would have thrown some money on him. If you could teach that guy how to fight. Yeah, him versus who is that, the big black guy?

Oh, Bob Sapp. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Bob Sapp was 75 pounds heavier than him. I know, but imagine this. Actually, what does he weigh? I think he was actually trying to weigh 400 pounds, Tom Havilland. Wasn't he trying to get up to 400?

That's a good weight. That's a good weight. That's total doable. I think he's pushing, I think he's heavier than 300 pounds now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. 385? 360. 360. What?

What? I think that was the thing. That's right, now that I'm thinking about it, is the road to 400 pounds. So he's trying to build himself up to 400 pounds. I want to see him versus Bob Sapp. But what he does a lot of, which which is very interesting is like unconventional type workouts like where like he attaches a chain to his right arm and he's dragging behind all these weights while he's carrying a log with his two arms i saw that that was yeah he does a lot of interesting stuff like that that he thinks that that's important like of course yeah like farmers carries and shit with insane amounts of weight i've heard that before from thinks that that's important like of course yeah like farmers carries and shit with

insane amounts of weight i've heard that before from many people that not just pushing things and pressing things but carrying them around my rock is where you get real strength yeah you rock see yeah that's right that rock you guys take up to pixka it works yeah there's something to that there's something to unconventional movements because No, because your body has to hold and correct. Your core just gets hammered. Just like the Turkish get-ups. Same kind of thing. Yeah.

And that's what it's all about. It's just like not being just – a lot of people can be strong straight, just doing pretty uniform movements. But when you can be strong out of position, awkward things, that's real strength. That's real strength. And I think that real strength also applies to conventional lifts. And that's why guys like this Tom Havlon guy can lift insane amounts of weight. Also, a little bit of Mexican supplements, if you know what I'm saying. Maybe.

A little bit of that. Maybe. Creatine. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And branched chain amino acids. They're very important. And milk. Like Mark McGuire. Yeah. He's probably eating wild boarine. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And branch chain amino acids. They're very important. And milk.

Like Mark McGuire. Yeah. He's probably eating wild boar milk. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck that guy eats, but that's a huge fella. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's the greatest thing about social media is finding freaks like that.

You know what I mean? And this freak, I mean, I think that's all he's doing. I mean, he's not like selling things. He's not like telling people like, hey, get a part of my workout program, 20% off with code be a freak, you know? No, he's just fucking. Just a beast. And his photos, it's very unflattering because everything he's doing is from behind. You only see his back and he's covered up.

Everything is covered up. He's wearing like a lumberjack shirt yeah that's where it's kind of that sam solik does that too you know who that kid is who's sam solik dude jamie you gotta look him up he's just he's like 21 just a fucking freak but he wears this all this big shit and will do the hardest squats. Like, so much weight, deep, just freak. But then when he takes his shit off, I can't remember what they call it. Like when you're all covered up. And then,

you never let anybody... Yeah, then you never let anybody really see what a freak you are. Yeah, actually, I think I've seen this guy before too. Sam Sulik? Yeah, you gotta look at him. Look at this kid, dude. Jesus Yeah. Sam Sulik. Yeah, you got to look at him. Sulik. S-U-L-E-K. Oh, Jesus. Look at this kid, dude.

Jesus Christ. He is like young 20s. Oh, I have heard about him because he used to be a lot smaller and then got saucy. He used to be a diver. Whoa. Yeah, like into a pool type thing. Really? Yeah. I bet he makes a pool type thing. Really? Yeah.

I bet he makes a hell of a fucking splash. Well, there is like an old one. Okay, so it was 183 pounds in 2019. And what does he weigh now? 237 in 2023. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's so crazy.

That's so much weight. And I don't know how, I think he's super young. He looks young. Yeah. Oh, so he covers himself up like that when he works? Yeah, like even, like show some squats, Jamie. There's some good. I don't know if he had it on this.

So I'm looking behind the video. There's not good... I don't know if he had it on this list. I'm looking behind the video. There's not a lot of video. Oh, I see. Interesting. Yeah, I think it's on YouTube. 3.6 million followers. See his YouTube? Yeah, he's got a lot of...

That's where he gets all his videos. What does he have? Yeah, 2.3 million subscribers on YouTube. Just from being jacked. Yeah, just a freak, though. Isn't it crazy that just being jacked could get you millions of subscribers now? Yeah. Right.

So this is what he'll do. But he trains freaking hard. So he's doing all kinds of crazy. Yeah, let's watch this one. A little bit of a mental battle before this set of squats. I think it's worth discussing. Bro, you can hear the steroids in his voice. He's gargling in steroids.

The guy's jacked. I know. But they're, I don't know. Look at the fucking legs on him. Holy shit, look at his fucking thighs. Bro, that guy must chafe like a motherfucker He needs some good me undies the kind that go all the way down. Yeah, those boxer briefs Keep your legs from rubbing in the center. Yeah, I don't really know what his goal is but be massiver

I'm more massive. Maybe it's Tom Avalon. Maybe that's his goal these guys You know they want to be when you walk in a room They want people to be like whole holy, like, pointy. Like, holy shit, look at this freak. Well, he gained 50 pounds in, what, four years? And he's shredded. Yeah. That's crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, you don't do that with oatmeal. No. You need some help. Need a little help. Yeah, so I. Step away, USADA. All right.

Yeah, nothing to see here. It's fun to see guys like that. I don't know. It is fun. I don't want to do it, but it's fun to see. Yeah. Like that Tom Havilland guy. I'm obsessed with watching him.

I think Brian Callen was the first guy to tell me about him. But isn't Brian gay? It's like I'm sure he was attracted to him. No. He's attracted to some men, but he's not gay at all. He's attracted spiritually to them. Oh. Yeah. He's's attracted spiritually to them. Yeah, he's not sexually attracted to them.

Oh, yeah, to their... You know what he imagines if he was in prison, that he would be with that guy and that guy would protect him. Yeah. And he wouldn't snuggle with him, keep him warm. Yeah, he... Spooky dudes. There's some people out there doing freaky shit, but man, that's a great way to get hurt too. Try emulating that.

I mean, when you're lifting like very, very heavy, I don't lift heavy, obviously. I'm not big like that. The heaviest thing I lift is like 90 pounds. I occasionally do 90 pound kettlebells. I think it's good though, because he, yeah, you're not going to do that, but you see how hard he's working. I mean, he's soaked with sweat doing squats. Oh, yeah.

That's, I think people can be inspired by that and be like, hey, I need to, I'm not going to be a freak, but I can push harder. Also, it might make them take a road trip to Mexico to fill up the trunk. I don't know. I don't know. You know, here for a good time, not a long time. Well, that's definitely the case with folks like that. Yeah. You know, because a lot of those guys, you know, those really big guys, they have real problems.

Yeah. It's like, you know, there was that one good Rich Piana. Do you know who he is? I know. Love that guy. Yeah, that guy was ridiculous. I still share his, like, he's got so many good reels, too. Yeah.

Like, he just says crazy stuff. Because he's like, the one, my favorite is that he's sitting with this girl, because he's like the one my favorite is he's sitting with this girl and he's like kind of a serious question he's like he goes would you rather have the dick hang lower than the balls or the balls hang lower than the dick hmm that was his concern that was his question to her interesting yeah well some people worry about stars and asteroids and black holes and aliens and some people worry about stars and asteroids and black holes and aliens. And some people worry about balls and dicks. Yeah.

So he has so many funny ones like that. He was so freakishly huge. Oh, he's giant. He was so stupid. He had an eight hour arm workout. I know. Look at this. Yeah.

I mean, but he was like super open about his steroid use and you know, he died from it. He died at like, I think he was like in his early forties or mid 40s I think I thought he look at the size of his neck his neck looks like there's a tumor below his ear yeah look at this the fucking neck muscles that's so preposterous look those arms dude ridiculous he's doing eight hour arm workout mm-hmm insane I know but insane but I guarantee you no matter where he walked in yeah people noticed him now arm workout. Insane. I know. Insane. But I guarantee you, no matter where he walked in, people noticed him. And that was the goal. Well, that's what he wanted.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to each their own. I mean, I love the fact that it's freedom. You can do whatever you want. If you want to be that guy, you can be that guy. I don't want to be that guy, but, you know, he obviously, that's what he enjoyed. Gold 22-inch calves.

Jesus Christ. I didn't know he did legs at all. That's like a waist. Oh, he did legs. He had giant legs. His legs were huge. I know. I was just so focused on the arms. They're preposterous, but they're probably useless.

Didn't he have, like, an MMA fight? I was just so focused on the arms. They're preposterous, but they're probably useless. Didn't he have like an MMA fight? I feel like he had an MMA fight. I thought he died from he passed out and hit his head when he's getting a haircut. Really? I think so. Really? I thought so. Are you just putting that out there or did you do any research?

No, I don't do much research. I thought he had like a massive heart attack or something. No, I don't. It's a lot of how those guys go. Yeah. Like everything gets bigger. Oh, yeah, yeah. When you're taking- His heart was probably this big too.

Yeah, it was probably a basketball. Super human levels of everything. Is that how he died? Collapsed in early August and died after being in a coma for two weeks. Drug involvement could not be ruled out. 46 years weeks. Drug involvement could not be ruled out. 46 years old. Drug involvement couldn't be ruled out. Crazy.

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I was pretty young to die, but I didn't know he was. I bet if he got vaccinated, they'd rule that out. Yeah. Heart disease reported in the history of drug use. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not good.

Probably never touched cardio. No, because that burns muscle. Get the fuck out of here with your cardio. 20 bottles of steroids found at his house. Only 20? Must have been in between orders. Yeah. Bottles of steroids.

Jesus Christ, buddy. Yeah. That's amazing. Oh. That's a lot. have you shot your new bow yet i have not no you're alpha x no i've been too busy unfortunately i'm supposed i was gonna take it today but obviously i had some stuff we had to do today yeah but i'm gonna take it on monday it's a good bow archery country yeah i'm. Look, if it's better than last year's, last year's models were better than the year before, which I don't know how they keep doing it. I don't either.

But Hoyt keeps making better bows every year. They're just smoother and more accurate. Like, I shot my, not this past year's bow, but the year before, I shot it one day just for goof. I said, let me just pick, I shot it one day just for goof. I said, let me just pick up my old bow and see how that shoots. It wasn't out of tune, but it was significant. Like I could see the difference in accuracy and the feel in the hand. It was like a little more vibration in the hand,

a little more clunky in the draw cycle. And then I picked up last year's bow and I was like, wow. You feel the smoothness of the draw cycle and then it just I was more confident with it it felt more accurate it's crazy how they just keep making them better I think when you're so dialed in with with your bow when you shoot as much as it doesn't take much of a difference to feel it right you know what I mean you shoot so much yeah a little change you're gonna be like whoa it feels like a lot even though it's a little but you imagine being those engineers and you've got to like fine-tune every single aspect of these

cams and the limbs and the limb pockets and the the riser and one little thing they did which is pretty cool because you know how you have those little kickstand things the go sticks yeah in your last year the cam would sit in the dirt or whatever now they have a little shelf that it sits on even that little tiny that's an improvement that's an improvement but that's a big one because i would be looking at where my cam was sitting and where the string was kind of rubbing on rocks and dirt and be like god is that wearing through so they they pretty much come up think with of everything to to make it better to tweak to fine-tune and then you feel it i mean the bows this year that that one i just set up they say you know who knows how they i'm sure they measure

but it's 25 percent quieter i believe and it's i don't know what percent, but it's quiet. Very quiet. Yeah. I don't know how they're doing all that. I don't either. And then there's the factor of heavy arrows versus lighter arrows. Lighter hours make more noise. Heavier hours are a little quieter. Yeah. But not probably not 25%. That's a lot. No, you're a, you are obsessed with art. Like you're always sending me, Hey, have you seen this? Have you seen these? Have you are obsessed with art like you're always sending me hey have you seen this have you seen these have you seen these heads have you seen these i mean it's so cool that's a that's kind of the the best part about archery is all the options you know it's just how can i tweak this make it a little better yeah give you a little more confidence is this going to perform

better that's the i mean bested the chase every day Yeah, I'm excited about those arrow those broadheads that I showed you those tooth of the arrow broadheads Yeah I like those because they're American made and they figured out some way they first of all they cut them out of one solid piece Of steel and they figured out a way to have most of the mass in the ferrule. So apparently they fly really good So Jordan over at Archery Country was shooting them out to 100. He's like, dude, these are incredible. They shoot so good. And it's a

four blade head. That's good. You said four inches of cut. That's with the XLs. The smaller ones are a little bit less, but it's still more than three inches of cut. Does the XL weigh more than 100 grains? No. You can get them in 100 grains, 125, I think 150 and 175.

And all they're doing is just putting more mass in the ferrule. It's not a bigger thing. So it's still like a heavy field point. And so the mass goes deep into the arrow and into the front point. It's not in the heads. And especially with the vented ones, they probably won't plane much. But then you don't have to think about mechanicals, whether they open or not open or shooting them through grass or any of that kind of stuff. So I've got to hunt with Rinella.

We're going to hunt for whitetails in South Texas for a meat eater. That would be fun. In a couple weeks, yeah. So I'm going to use those heads. Okay. I'm going to i'm going to use those heads okay i'm gonna try them out did you stay with the fmjs or the axis or are you trying those pro comps i do not know we're trying to figure out what what arrows to use oh we're gonna we're gonna sort that out actually this weekend didn't okay because i'm trying to go a little lighter i mean

those pro comps i think would be because mine are 484. The problem is, like, there's not the best options for lighted nocks with four millimeter arrows. I sent you, like, from Gary at Easton, that whatever brand he said. Halos. Yeah, he says halos are the move. Yeah, so I'll give those a try. There's also fire nocks. Have you ever seen that guy? I don't use lighted knocks

that guy is a fucking mad scientist there's this there's this gentleman who was a i think he was a physicist or some kind of uh he's got some sort of background in science and he created this like very high-end lighted knock called a fire knock and you have to it's more difficult to install you have to kind of glue in an insert and then screw it into the insert but they're supposed to be super legit and very very tight tolerances so I might try those out too yeah so fun there's so much to tinker with I know it's so but you got to make sure that you're done tinkering like a couple weeks out. Oh, yeah. So I'll tinker up until a certain point, and I'm like, I'm locked in. This is what I'm using.

Now it's time to just practice with that, and let's get it all locked in. I had to give up on – like I'm a big fan of Garmin. I love all their stuff. I have this Garmin watch that I love this stuff. I just love that it's got GPS on it. I can put maps on it. I can literally take phone calls, listen to music. It's got a stopwatch, barometer, altitude.

It's so functional. It even has a fucking light. Look at that. If you're out in the woods, you double tap this bitch. Bam. It's actually pretty bright. That's pretty bright. I love this thing. How long does a battery last?

Fucking weeks. Really? Weeks. Yeah. Weeks. That's pretty bright. I love how long does a battery last? Fucking weeks really weeks. Yeah weeks. That's impressive a month like it'll tell you I think I've got like 25 days of battery life. I'm blind. It's not light right now. It's crazy But I was running that Garmin site that that um, they have a range finding site, right? I Was having a problem with it, though. Like, sometimes at distance, I was getting multiple ranges on, like, that foam elk target that I have in my yard. Yeah. Like, I'd be at full draw, and I know that it's 74 yards away,

but I would be getting 82, 71, 65, and I'm like, what is going on here? And holding right on it. I'm trying to hold right on it. Maybe I'm like, what is going on here? And holding right on it. I'm trying to hold right on it. Maybe I'm moving a little bit, but how much am I moving and why isn't it? I don't think it's totally. I think, look, I used it last year and I had a perfect shot on two white-tailed deer and a neal guy with that. I liked it.

But that scared me that i'm getting different ranges so like what if i'm at full drawn an animal and it says 67 but it's really 74 yeah that's a problem that's not and with a 522 grain arrow at that much distance yeah you're gonna have a lot of drop yeah a lot of room so i switched before utah i went back to the spot hog and i went to just using that loophole uh full draw which i really like because it shows you the height of your arrow trajectory that's giant man yeah that's giant if you have a gap that you're shooting through and you're like i don't know what the fuck is going to happen here that thing is so dialed in it measures the speed of your arrow

it tells you you put in all these different things like like how fast your arrow is, what your arrow weighs, and it'll tell you exactly what's the height of the arrow trajectory at the arc. So when you range it, and I used it in California because there was a gap that I was shooting through, and I ranged it, and I knew, I had full confidence I was going to get through that gap. Because I had that line that showed me the line was like four or five inches below where I needed to pass through. And that's perfect too, because without that assurance, sometimes you're picking a spot, but you're still thinking about that. Where's this arrow going? And that can cause that focus to falter and that results in a bad shot. So it's so much confidence.

Yeah. Like you have to, you have, when you're executing confidence yeah like you have to you have when you're executing a shot you have to say i know i'm gonna hit yeah 100 if you can't say i hope no if you say i hope it oh you're fucked it's like pool i know there's like i was talking to joel turner about that that there's real parallels between archery and pool is that you have to have a shot process that you go through like when i play pool i have a have a shot process that you go through. Like when I play pool, I have a very specific shot process I go through with every shot. And before the shot, when I'm playing well especially, I'll take my practice strokes and then I pause at the back end and drive through.

I try to use a perfect stroke where it's just the weight of the pool cue and the forward motion of the pool cue and there's the forward motion of the arm is perfectly timed and i'm kind of like allowing that cue to do all the work with the weight of my arm and the stroke and if you don't have that thing in your head like i am going to make this shot if you say i hope i don't miss you're gonna fucking miss every time yeah archery you have like a more of a window because like you could say you could put your pin on the target you're like i hope i don't miss but as long as your pins on the target maybe it'll be like three inches here or four inches there but

still in pool i'm shooting into a four inch pocket yeah from nine feet away you there's no room for fucking around if you're off that much or more the cues hitting exactly yeah and then as the distance goes like if you're shooting a seven foot shot as the distance goes if you're off that much or more, the cue's hitting. Exactly. Yeah. And then as the distance goes, like if you're shooting a seven-foot shot, as the distance goes, if you're off like half of a millimeter, it's going to, over the distance, it's going to be two inches. Yeah. You're going to be fucked. Yeah.

Yeah. So there's- Very precise. But that's what I love about archery, and that's what I love about pool. what i love about archery and that's what i love about pool it's like the arrows don't give a fuck who you are they don't give a fuck where you live what kind of car you drive like it's like are you doing it right yeah there's it's there's no room for fuckery right it is you got to be dialed in you got to be prepared you have to have thousands of arrows down range yeah thousands where you know you know what that feel it feels like when that shot breaks and you watch that hour and you practice and you know like you know better than

anybody we practice in camp yeah we don't just get to camp and say we're done no every time you get a chance we're lined up at the targets and we're shooting at 90 yards it's uh you know it's so hard to gain that confidence or you said you know am i gonna do i know i'm gonna hit it perfect or do i hope i'm gonna hit it perfect so getting that confidence like no i know i'm gonna hit it perfect is so freaking hard and can go away like that like that i mean yeah one fucking shitty shot and you're just like oh my god yeah it's yeah i mean that's where archery can be brutal because once your confidence and you start doubting something that takes on a life of its own and archery has so many factors there's the you know you have your release you have the the sight you have the rest

maybe your arrows are touching the rest maybe maybe you've got your the way your pins are set up when you have your furthest distance pin maybe your fletchings are touching the bottom of the housing string stretch string stretch your string over time you have to make sure that before you go on a hunt, you've got to bring it in and check the chronograph. Is it still at 273 feet a second? Oh, shit, it's at 265 now. My string stretched. So now you have to put some twists in the strings.

Or you have to add a couple yards to shooting. Yeah, there's so much going on. And then just the preciseness of these sight tapes. It's so amazing how much going on. Yeah. And then just the preciseness of these sight tapes. It's so amazing how much goes on. Like when you use Archer's Advantage, you're entering in the weight of the arrow, the length of the arrow. Like what is the poundage of the bow? What's the speed per second that you're shooting? Yeah.

There's so much. There's a lot of data going in there. But when you execute a perfect shot, not even just on an animal, just on a target, just you're shooting at like 75 yards and the shot breaks and you watch that go

right in the center. It's a beautiful moment. Yeah. I wish everybody could feel that. You do. The world goes away. The world goes away when you execute a perfect shot. That's what I had Huberman down.

And he's so intelligent, obviously, but like analytical and everything. But it's like he's focusing so hard at the bow rack, just doing everything, focusing so hard. And I'm like, how great is this? I said, what are you thinking about other than shooting this bow right now? And he's like, nothing. I'm like, that's it. Yeah. You can't. That's what's so beautiful about it. It's like people say therapeutic and all this, but it is because you can't be, if you're distracted, you're not going to hit anywhere close to what you want or not consistently. You might get lucky, but it's one of those sayings that takes

all your focus, which is so freeing because then you're not worried about all the other BS of life. It's, it cleans your mind. It's, uh, it's like jujitsu does that too. Like when you're doing jujitsu, it cleans your mind because you can't think of anything else. Cause someone's on top of you trying to yank your arm off. Yeah. It's like you have to be completely engaged in the moment. And that's very hard for people to do, to find things that keep them in the moment. We are so constantly distracted by mostly things that aren't even important. Like I can't tell you how many times I'm up at night worried about, I mean, it is a concern, but I'm worried about Ukraine and I'm worried about, you know, Israel and Palestine.

And I worry about nuclear war. I worry about chaos. I worry about the fact they're sending these young men to go and die in these wars. And some people are so flippant about it. It's so easy for them. And I freak out about these things. And sometimes it like, it fucks me up because I go to bed with that in my head and I'm like yeah I'm just lying in bed going am I like is this the verge of world war three like if you were living in um some place like right before a war broke out

the day before that happens everything's normal yeah October 6th in Israel everything's normal right then all of a sudden everything fucking changes and then the world is chaos you're like a world's upside down you I think you need something you certainly need to be aware of the world but you need to everyone needs something that can take them out of that yeah and I think for some people it's golf some people it's pool for some whatever the fuck it is it's running whatever it is but you need something that takes you out of that and allows you to be in the moment. What I like is this is another part to it, but what I like, so like with the Huberman or with somebody like people say intellectuals, but people who are operate up here all the time, I'm never up there. So I don't have to fucking worry about it, but it's like operating

at this highest level of intelligence of, of whatever they're at. But what I like about archery and hunting is like, this is a basic. So you can't get up here unless you're down here figuring out what you're going to eat and how to do it. So it's either you can get it all figured out and say, well, I'm not going to kill shit myself, but I'm going to, could I pay some,

could you kill something for me? And then here's some money, right? Right. Somebody still has to do the bottom shit. But I think I told Andrew, I'm like, God, if you could, obviously you're up here all the time, but if you could also understand the bottom, what it takes to kill and get out there, carry a rock up a fucking mountain, do that hard, gritty, lower level shit. And imagine what you could, because I always say, I would love for you to have your perspective to be able to explain what hunting is in your way. Because I can't. I can do it like what I've been doing my whole life. Right.

But somebody who operates up here all the time could also understand the basics of survival god imagine what enlightenment yeah he might be able to shine on why we hunt yeah he would definitely be able to have a very unique perspective with his mind and that's what peter brings to the table you know because peter has become obsessed with bow hunting over the last few years and he's so fucking fascinating because he and I will have these conversations, but we'll talk about broadheads and this and that, all these different things. And he'll shoot an animal and then he will make a video where he does an autopsy.

Right. And he breaks it down and uses terms. I don't even understand what the fuck he's talking about. All these different, you know, different types of hemorrhaging and this and that and what the area of the lung it hit. And this is why it took so long for it to die. And that's why it died quickly because it severed these arteries and caused massive hemorrhaging. And yeah,

yeah, that's super interesting. I don't get any of that shit. I mean, I get the major organs and I know what happens if an arrow goes through there. But within those organs, like you were saying, different parts of the lungs, yeah, it's who knows what. He's breaking it down as a surgeon. Even like with Huberman, we're in the bow rack, and he's like talking about, we had it on the lift, run, shoot episode. But he's like, oh, like oh like on skateboarding you can switch stance like left foot forward right foot forward type thing he goes can you do that with the bow like left hand right hand and i was like no that's your dominant eye you know you got to use your dominant eye and so he starts to explain why prey animals with their eyes on the

side they if you're not moving they can't you're basically invisible because they have to be able to see that movement and sometimes it'll go like this to like use both eyes whereas whereas we're like depth perception because our eyes on the front we can see movement like this a prey animal can't anyway he's explaining this whole thing it's like you could talk about anything with hunting where i would be like this is black black and white. Oh, you do this because of that. And then he would have some crazy explanation with amazing detail on why it's this way or that way. It's pretty fascinating. So I'm like, God dang, if you could bow hunt and get out there and understand what it means to be, you know, we're a predator hunting prey.

And just what is that what is that about right you know i just want to hear his take on it because that's his like his superpower is he's 20 times smarter than anybody but can talk where i can understand it yes not all those smart guys can't do that shit yeah but he can so he's gone through an interesting journey with broadheads, too. You know, because he. Oh, Peter? Yeah. Yeah.

Because he shot a two-blade single bevel head. And did you ever see it? No. Okay. I'm going to show it to you because it's kind of crazy. When you see it, you're not going to believe it. He had to make a follow-up shot. But you wouldn't imagine it when you see this and now

so we had this conversation and uh he was saying do you you know like there's there's this thing whether or not you want to have a big cut like you have been using over the last uh few years yeah with um these uh the ones that you like the grim reim Reaper Carnifors, which is a big cut. Or would you want to get penetration, right? I want both. Yeah. So, well, that's why you shoot like a really, a really powerful bow.

Now look at the, look at the shot placement. That looks perfect. Perfect, right? Yeah, he had to make a follow-up shot. And was it perfectly broadside yep that is i mean crazy that's right where you want it's in the crease it's perfect perfect now imagine if you hit that thing with a carnivore chaos no it's not going anywhere right so that's the benefit right but he went right through it through the lungs both lungs that is weird yeah crazy you look at it

you're like how but i think that's the thing about a small cut a very small single blade or or you know a two blade that slices right through and it's you just get an inch and a half slice right that's it and maybe it can seal up maybe it takes a long time for it to bleed out. I mean, whatever it is. But when you have something like, one of the things we were talking about was these tooth of the arrows. So I sent him these images that I got from this, this is a guy named John Lusk,

and he has these very interesting videos where he does all these tests on broadheads. Everything. He's got like a whole system to it. He's very scientific about it Look at the fucking holes that those tooth of the arrows make that's the XL For blade which makes you steal through steel four inches of cut and it makes a canal This this wound channel is not healing. That's not a up. You're going to get blood out of that thing. People don't see it.

That's what it looks like. And that's the goal is, you know, to kill with an arrow, you need hemorrhage. Right. And that type of hemorrhage, that type of wound channel is going to allow that animal to expire quick. I mean, it's going to die fast in seconds. That's what we want. And also, one of the things that he showed in his explanations or his videos, John Lust did, which I'm very interested about with his tooth of the arrow broadhead, is that it got incredible penetration, too. So he does this test where he shoots them into layers of cardboard.

Right. And I think this 125 grain one had the record. It went through 75 layers or 73 layers of cardboard, which is insane. That's a lot of layers. I wonder how heavy is Arrow. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, because that makes a big difference.

Makes a big difference. But it's just, he uses a standard setup. He uses a 72 pound bow. If it's the same with every head and one's out penetrating the other, that means something. Exactly. Regardless of what. And it has four blades as opposed to two. So you're getting double the cut at least.

Yeah, I always think that. So if you have two blade and the animal is, say, two foot wide, that's 48 inches of cut. Right. If you got four, that's 96 inches of hemorrhage. Big difference. Big difference. Big difference. Imagine a 96 inch cut, how much that's going to bleed. Yeah. And it's a channel through the body. So if you get a pass through, that thing's spraying off both sides. And then maybe even more importantly, what you do and what I do is we lift weights. So we're strong. so we can pull back a heavy bow and so

now you're shooting a really powerful 80 plus pound bow that is launching this 520 grain arrow at 300 feet a second so when it does hit is a tremendous amount of momentum and force and it's just boom blowing through everything so when people say you don't need that kind of pull back that kind of weight I've heard that stupid shit so many times it drives me nuts And it's just people that are trying to make an excuse for why they're not strong Yeah, well you don't need 60 pounds then because why do you need 60 pounds and by the way 60 pounds for you is probably? Harder than 90 pound is for me because you don't work out and what I always say is yeah I shoot 90.

You shoot 60, 70. I will kill every animal you'll kill if you hit it the same place. You won't kill every animal I'll kill. Yes. That's all there is to it. That's all there is to it. I'll go through more shit and still kill it than you will.

But every arrow that you shoot that kills, mine would do the same thing. There's no argument that having less power is good. It doesn't make any sense. The whole idea is maximum lethality and the maximum amount of, you want a humane kill where it kills it quickly and ethically. So that means you have to be fucking super dedicated to your practice. And I think you should be super dedicated to your practice and i think you should be super dedicated to your fitness and you should be doing rows every fucking day

building those back muscles so that when you do pull back 70 pounds 80 pounds whatever it's not hard yeah it seems pretty simple yeah you know like i there's a video of me uh pulling back that uh 95 pound bow that uh dudley made me that squirrely bow that I had a couple years ago. That thing was ridiculous. But I pull that fucker back easy. I lift a lot of weights. I lift all the time. I'm constantly doing chin-ups.

I do weighted chin-ups. I do chin-ups with a 25-pound vest. I do all these things. You train. Yeah. So I get ready for it. Train to be at your best. So you go, oh, you don't need that.

Shut the fuck up, pussy. I know what you're doing. I know I get ready for it. Trying to be at your best. So like, oh, you don't need that. Shut the fuck up, pussy. I know what you're doing. I know why you're saying it. The only reason why anyone would say that is to try to make up for the fact that they're not strong. Yeah. That's all it is. That's it.

You know, and you know, hunters love them, love bow hunters, love the whole, this whole community. But God, we are so judgmental. Some are. I mean. And they're a loud voice they it's but it's a small percentage it is but it's like yeah it just doesn't make any sense and it's hard to because when you're so passionate about something people do talk shit about you you take it like it means something because like god i'm pouring fucking everything i have into this and you're talking it's still not good enough right So it's, I had this guy the other day,

he's like, why don't you go into the Eagle Cap and pack in and kill a bull by yourself? Oh, like you did for 20 years? Oh, I mean, and it's like, it got me thinking, it's like, you can, it's never enough. Right. It doesn't matter. You wrote a book about that.

That's what's hilarious. You literally wrote a book. I told the guy. I said, yeah. I said, I've heard of that area. I said, I read about it in a book called Backcountry Bowhunting. I can't remember who wrote it, but it's a pretty good book. And I mean, so the point is, it's like I've been doing this my whole life.

I started doing that. I don't know how many bulls I've killed from backcountry, do-it-yourself, to now some of the best elk in, you know, 400-inch bulls, done the whole thing. That's still not enough? Still there's people say, well, why don't you do this? It's like, well, what the fuck? Is it ever going to be enough? You're going to always hear that, though. Yeah.

You're going to hear that from everybody no matter what it is and you know imagine if i read the comments on this podcast on any of my podcasts like why do you have her on she's fucking stupid why do you have him on he sucks like this is boring well this one is gonna don't read this one because it'd be like oh this fucking redneck again i'm like i'm hey guys, guys, I didn't ask. I've never asked to be on here, have I? No, you're my friend. I want you to come on. Plus, we had to get you stem cells. I didn't ask. It's not my fault. If it was up to me, I wouldn't be here.

Oh, shut the fuck up. You like being here. Come on, man. It's fine. We have a good time. No, I'm just not good at podcasting. You're great at podcasting. You're full of shit. Now you do your own. You're lying, son of a bitch. Not good at it. You're full of shit, and now you do your own. You're lying, son of a bitch. I'm not good at it. You're good at it, man. No, I'm not good.

You're good at it. You are good at it. It's a fun thing to do. And look, it's not for everybody, but this podcast isn't for everybody either. It can't be. You can't make something for everybody. You have to do your best, and I think the best way to do your best is to not listen to all the criticism. Because you are also as well.

You're very self-critical., you're very self-critical. We're both very self-critical. And I think that's important. But that's also why criticism hurts, because you take it to heart, and then you get upset. You're like, I do so much. You can't make everybody happy. You're like, guys, I'm trying my best.

I'm trying my best, guys. I really am trying my best, and I know you are too. I try my best at everything I do, and I fuck up all the time at everything. And that is just something you get from sticking your neck out i mean i started bow hunting in my 40s you know and i'm obsessed with it i mean also as a famous person you know like it's fucking you know if you're gonna fuck something up that's right i i i mean it's so impressive because most people don't like they've had success in their whole life you know you, you earned, of course, but you've been at the highest level. To start all the way over at something with no experience. But it's so exciting.

That's the best thing to do. Most people wouldn't do that. Yeah, but they should. Yeah. I know that most people don't like to do that because they like to be impressive at things because it makes them feel good. But what makes me feel good is getting better at things I suck at and learning new things that I suck at. very I can't I don't have any room for

anymore like right now I'm full I'm all full you know and I'm decent at bow hunting now I've gotten to the point where I'm a very accurate I practice constantly I put in a ton of work I put in thousands and thousands and thousands of arrows every year but because of that I'm confident and I'm good at it. I'm pretty good at it now, but I'm still not an expert. I'm like a purple belt. I would say like if bow hunting had belts, I'd be like a purple belt now. You know, I'm years away from a black belt.

It's a long fucking road, you know? It's tough. But I did all that in jujitsu. The reason why I started jujitsu is, look, when I started jujitsu, I was a good kickboxer. I was a, you know, a very high level taekwondo fighter, and then I got into kickboxing. I was good at kickboxing. I was good at stand-up striking. There's plenty of videos you can see of me kicking things.

I'm good at it. I was helpless at jujitsu. I could have easily said, fuck this. I'm just going to go back to kickboxing where I feed my ego and I feel good. But I was like, oh, my God, I'm just go back to kickboxing where I feed my ego and I feel good. Yeah, but I was like, oh my god I'm helpless like I remember I was training with this guy. I Just started out. I was a white belt and I think he was a purple belt and this dude Mauled me. I mean mauled me this Brazilian kid and he wasn't being mean it wasn't like he was like better he was

Destroying me. I mean it was so humiliating It was like one night or one just what I was it was one specific training session Yeah, so what happens when you first start training is? Initially you will spar with other white belts and you're both kind of clunky You don't really know what you're doing You're trying to choke people you know exactly know how to do it and you get tapped you tap them and it's like you know It's like yeah, you're both kind of clunky. You don't really know what you're doing. You're trying to trope people. You don't exactly know how to do it. And you get tapped. You tap them.

And it's like, you know, it's like you're learning. But then as you start to progress, you're in a couple weeks or a couple months, they'll start putting you in with blue belts. Or occasionally they'll even put you in a brown belt. And generally the brown belts and the black belts are pretty gentle with the beginners. They'll tap you and they'll give you pointers like you can't put your arm here. It's vulnerable. You got to keep yourself like this. Don't extend because that doesn't get you in trouble. And they'll give you tips and it's very valuable because you can learn from, oh, that's why he

did this. But this fucking dude just ran through me. And it was like one of the first times I had trained with someone who was really pretty good and my initial feeling was I'm so shocked at how helpless I am. Like I was really delusional. I had this idea because I thought I knew how to fight so that would kind of apply to jujitsu. It didn't apply at all. And so I realized at some point in time, I mean, during this training session, okay, this is a long road and I'm on it now. And this is what I'm going to do now. And even though I was on a television show and I was doing stand-up comedy and I had things that I was good at that I could just stick with those. I was like, I got to get good at this.

I can't live knowing that guys can do this to me. It turns out they could always do it to me. Like even at the highest level. But also as time went on, even when I became a black belt, I'll still get mauled by the elite black belt. Right. You know, like if I went and rolled with Marcelo Garcia

or whenever I'd roll with John Jack Machado, you just feel kind of helpless. Yeah. It's like, cause their level is so much higher than your level that even at black belts, there's look at what Gordon Ryan does to everybody. Yeah. He takes the best black belts and make them look like they don't belong there with him.

And he talks shit about it before he does it, even writes down on a piece of paper how he's going to tap them. And then he seals the envelope and hands it to the, so he has in his mind, I'm going to get him in a triangle and this is the only way I'm going to tap him. So all these other things he has to pass up on all these other opportunities He passes up on just to set up a triangle So he's setting it up two three four or five steps ahead of them So they think they're doing good and all sudden sauce up

To ever see him roll with bull nickel Yeah, it's a great match. Yeah, Matt. Bo Nichols a bad man, but he caught him too. Yeah, he caught Bo Nichol Triangle them. Yeah, that's how good Gordon is But that's the levels and levels and levels and levels and levels but the only way you get that good is time yeah time and effort and it's got to be so rewarding to be Gordon Ryan I

mean I fucking must be amazing I bet must be amazing to be that guy who stands head and shoulders above all the others he gave us the Abu Dhabi belt by the way that's his Abu Dhabi belt. It's up in our studio. Pretty badass. I love how his confidence and his- He's awesome. I mean, he drives people crazy, but I just love that part.

Well, that's also psychological warfare too, because you're so upset that you think, I can't lose to this guy, but guess what? You don't have a choice. Because he trains 365 days a year. Yeah, his coach is, I love, I don't even know him. John Donaher. Yeah, I've listened to you talk about him and listened to him on here. And it's like, that is an unbreakable mindset. Yeah.

Basically. Well, Donaher is like a character from a movie. He doesn't exist in the real world because John Donaher was a philosophy professor at Columbia who became obsessed with jujitsu. Yeah. Incredible. And then was like literally sleeping on the mats and teaching people. And so he's operating mentally from, he's probably got 150 IQ and he's operating at this insane level mentally, also just completely obsessed with what is the best way to progress in jiu-jitsu? What is the best way? What are the roadblocks?

What's holding people up? What's holding people back? And what they decided at some point in time is that it's not just about training. It's about analyzing things. It's about breaking down technical aspects of things, watching video, discussing techniques, not just training hard, but thinking. So the amount of hours they put in a day,

even though they're training 365 days a year, they're going at jujitsu five, six hours a day. Well, and he watches tape too, right? That's all he does. Yeah. He wears rash guards everywhere. John Donnerue i don't even know if he has regular clothes yeah he's a freak i love i love that i love amazing i mean that's the out that's a whole that's an outlier i mean one of one that's what that's what makes this world so interesting yes people like that characters like that one of ones yeah yeah it's called what he calls it There's a Japanese term. It's called Kaizen. Can you look that up with the actual term means?

But it's about the pursuit of excellence in one specific place one specific Avenue one specific discipline so constant pursuit of excellence. That's I mean I Don't know. Here it is. Kaizen is a Japanese term meaning change for the better or continuous improvement. It's a Japanese business philosophy that concerns the process that continuously improve operations and involve all employees. Kaizen sees improvement in productivity as a gradual and Methodical process. I think there's other Names for that. Don't just apply to

Jujitsu, I think it's I think it's old or rather. Oh, let's hear him say Let's just hear what he says just clear. We says your Instagram Description said living in the spirit of Kaizen. And I was wondering why. Look, he's got a rash guard on. You always thought about it. You never know. Freak. I'm a huge believer in the idea of small, progressive movements towards goals.

If you look at the course of an average day that we all go through, every so often, maybe two or three times in your life, there's one day which changes the direction of your life. But the vast majority of our days are unexceptional. They're just a boring, mundane day. You come home at the end of the day, and if someone asked you, what happened today? You would literally have to think back and be like I'm not sure that's probably a description of 95% of our days so there's a chance in which you could drift through your life we're only about one to five percent of your days have any real meaning and that 95% of your

life was a waste of time and that's's a tragedy. So we have to be very, very set on this idea that we have to maximize the use of all of our days if we're going to amount to anything in life. And that means at the end of every day, there has to be a concerted look on your part. What was the most significant thing that happened to me today? And how will it influence my life tomorrow? And if we can do this, your days become progressive.

Most people live day to day where the events of yesterday have no bearing on the events of today and the events of today Have no bearing on the events of tomorrow and this means your life will simply run in a flat line until the day you die But if we make a concerted effort to build one day upon another Even if it's just a very small thing. And in most cases, it will be a small thing. It's rare that we have a day where something monumental happens. Most days are not monumental, they're mundane. So on every one of these mundane days, we have to take one small little gem that happened, it may not be very big, something small, and add that to your performance tomorrow. And if we can do this over 10 years,

something truly remarkable can happen. It's so easy just to let a day go and then say, I'll try again tomorrow. But until we get a sense of one day building upon another towards a goal, you'll never achieve anything. You'll just melt on and 10 years will go by and you'll look back and say, what do I do?

And what did I do? And it may not be anything significant behind you. So be intentional about doing something that's gonna make your life better. Yeah, the whole notion of Kaizen is this crystallizes, this idea that if I can improve my performance in any given area of my life by us even a very small percentage point and then add day by day you get this compounding interest effect where at the end of five years something

quite remarkable may have happened you may have literally reinvented yourself in five years you may have an entirely new skill set, which you didn't have previously. And so it's up to us to do this, because the natural tendency is for days just to run into each other until by the end of the week you're looking back and say, what happened this week? I don't know. It's just gone. It's so easy to let that happen. There's so many distractions in life. There's so many things looking to grab your attention

that you can lose a day, a week, a month, and even a year, even a decade. And it's up to us to ask, okay, well, what was significant and how is it going to be built into my life tomorrow? And how does this relate to the goals that I have? And if you can do this, this is the basic idea behind Kaizen. and if you can do this, this is the basic idea behind Kaizen and You can you can do remarkable things and you can reinvent yourself Many times of the period of your life It's my belief that it takes around five years of full-time training to develop

world-class skills and most athletic endeavors. There are many many examples of people beginning training and somewhere between five to seven years after the onset of their training competing at the highest levels of their given sport and getting within the top five athletes in the world there are many many examples of this um that's a clear signal that it takes around five to seven years of full-time training to get to world-class level in sports. You could extend that into other areas of life. You can become, in the same time it takes you to win an Olympic bronze medal, you could have become an outstanding day trader. So we, you know, think about it, five years is not a long time. That means we all have within us this ability to reinvent ourselves

many times in the course of our life. If you start off at, you know, 20 years old, there's a lot of opportunities for you to change and adapt. That's it. That guy's a treasure. Yeah, somebody that introspective and with that perspective and then coupled with somebody like Gordon Ryan, this incredible driven athlete, no wonder.

Exactly. I mean, that combination, that's going to be tough to beat. Yeah, exactly. I mean, he's so unique. The thing is, they put it out there for the whole world. Like, this is what we're doing. Like, you could do it too. And the thing is, it's so difficult.

The dedication. It's also the focus. To maintain that focus constantly and to have this idea that I need to review all the things I'm doing to make sure I'm doing them better. Yeah, that mindset. Very difficult. I mean, he's like, yeah, on such a higher level than most people. That's what I keep thinking about. Like with, with Huberman talking about hunting, it's like, cause I want, I was like, I always think about what I'm passionate about is hunting, right? How

can I understand my place in the mounds and as a, as a predator and a bow hunter, how can I get better? How can I get more in tune? And I'm always like, cause it's so easy to be out there. And I mean, you, you are immersed in it and you're in it and you're trying to feel the wind, the ground under your feet. You're trying to like be so in tune, but I'm like, God, is there another level of consciousness that maybe I just don't understand? And I want to, right. Cause I want to be, I want to continue. I learned something every time and I'm sure you do too out there, but it's like, I mean, I don't know. I want to be the best I can be.

Yeah. And I think that also comes with many, many days hunting. And this is a thing that becomes controversial. But people say, oh, you should only hunt what you eat. But I think you should hunt as much as you can. And there's plenty of people that you could give that meat to as long as it's legal. That's what I do. And I agree with what you do. And I know it's controversial, but I don't think they're right.

I think you're right because your success in the field is unparalleled. And I think there's a reason for that. And it's because of this intense dedication and drive that you've been doing it for so long, but you're still so focused on it. You're not relaxed about it at all. Like you and I have had so many conversations about hunt and you've been hunting for what 35 40 years whatever it is when you and i talk it's like you're fucking locked in all the time about this i'm gonna try this i'm doing this now i've decided that this is a new

thing this is i've found this improvement i made this small adjustment in this and that and then i learned this in this last hunt, and this was a thing that came up. Like the elk that you shot in Utah, perfect example. What people need to understand is even if you're right up close with an elk, and say if you have a 20-yard pin. So a 20-yard pin, really the arrow's not dropping very far in 20 yards because these arrows are going very fast. It's only a couple of seconds to get to 20 yards, not dropping very far.

So you would think that you can shoot an elk that's six feet away. It's coming up at 20. But it comes up. That's the thing. It goes off the bow and reaches a peak. Yeah. So what happens when it's that close is your eye is here and the arrow's here. Right. So you're, you're looking at where you want to hit with that 20,

but the arrow's still down here. Right. It hasn't lifted up yet. Right. So to, to hit where you want at, like where that bull was, which was from here to the door, I'd aim up high with the 50 yard pin. And then the arrow's going to hit where you want it to. Right. If you hold 20, it's still low. It's going to go off the brisket off the bottom of the chest. Right. I wouldn't have known that. I don't know that. Like you needed to learn that. And that's just years and years in the field. Yeah. And what the hardest thing was like, it happened like that, because I thought that bull, he was coming in. So I had my sight set on 20 because I knew, oh, he's coming hot and heavy.

He was bugling, crashing down through. So I set it on 20 real quick. And I'm seeing that I made a mistake of sitting in the trail. But I thought he was coming straight down the ridge. And so I was going to draw back when he was like at 10 yards, stop him, whack. But he hit that trail, came right to me. And I'm sitting there on my knees in the trail. And I was a full draw luckily, because I never wait for them to get close. I always draw early. He was where I am.

Right. Yeah. Where you are. And so I'm like, all that happened in a split second. And then he was like looking over looking for the you know he heard the cow call looking over then he's like look down whack he saw you it was second like fractions of a second see if you find that video because it's but this is a perfect example of this is something that you learn from many many many many many many many many many hunts yeah many days the hard many, many, many, many, many hunts. Yes. Many days. The hard thing there is not getting caught up in the moment

because it's so emotional and adrenaline. Right. So much adrenaline. A giant bull looking, looks, he's seven foot tall right there, basically, and I'm on my knees, not getting. So here it is. Is this the right one? Before I get too far.

Let me see no no this isn't it no that's this is a Roosevelt in Oregon god listen to that sound I know that sounds so amazing hey look at Jelly Roll right there

hey Jelly Roll and Nelly I know do you know how far that's awesome well it's certainly on YouTube is it in your Instagram? yeah it's on

I think it's on YouTube it Is it in your Instagram? Yeah, it's on. I think it's on YouTube. Not in your Instagram? God, I don't think the shot was. So it's a very unusual situation. But you guys pulled it out too. It's like the two yard Utah bull. The thing is, it's like. What happened?

That's my theme song. That's cam haynes by schaefer you have a song yeah shut the fuck up no it's a bow hunting song oh my god i gotta hear this no play play uh schaefer cam haynes who's schaefer an artist he wrote the song for me do you know him i don't i think i did meet him at the I think at Utah Hunting Expo but he wrote this song and I said I go

I said something about it and I'm like well man if it's good I could just have it on to start my my lift run or the the

Month in the Mounds or my my videos oh the podcast that's what it was I'm an example of how your passion can change your life

even if that passion is something as obscure as bow hunting my videos. Oh, the podcast. I got it from Kim. I made up my mind. I'm about to be better than I've ever been. What is the difference between me and you? I'll die a legend before I give in. It's like every step I take, I move my truth. Every time they tell me stop, I use every comment. Hate that makes my feel. Gather up my energy and boom. I hear them talking, saying the way that I move is so reckless. That is a part of my mind I've been blessed with.

Giving my blood so I am relentless. My fault. They want someone to blame. They sent the hate. It fuels my pace. That's pretty badass. You got your own song, son. Yeah, so anyway, I have it on to start my podcast. Nice. Yeah, son. Yeah. So anyway, I have it on to start my podcast. Nice. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. But Schaefer, and he had the Roy Tuff in there. I love that. But yeah. Well, one of the cool things about Texas is that you can hunt pigs any day of the year. And they actually need you to do it. And it's important. That experience. Oh, it's so important.

So that's what. Yeah. Oh, here it is. Oh. No, it's so important. So that's what. Oh, here it is. Oh. No, that's not the. See if you can find that shot because the shot's crazy. That's what it said it was. Oh, it said it?

Yeah. Oh, maybe it'll show it to you. Two yard Utah ball? Yeah. Yeah, this is it. This is the most watched part of the video. Is the song playing? No, that's why I was stopping.

Oh, okay, okay. I had to stop the song. Okay, so is it. This is the most watched part of the video. Is the song playing? No, that's why I was stopping. Oh, okay. I had to stop the song. Okay, so here it is. So was Rihanna doing the cow calling? Yeah. She was behind you. And the filming. She's trying to film.

So there's a bull. There it comes. Yeah, that's literally as close as you are to me. Yeah. That was... And then the arrow. I mean, he's down. He's already dead. Yeah.

You can hear him, like, his last breaths right here. I had to... I mean, he was looking right on top of me. Like, I was right there. And I'm like this part. She's so excited. She's like, I just fucking called you in a bull. I just fucking called you in a bull. She's like, I called you in a bull. And I'm like, what? I called you in a bull.

And I'm like, okay. Can you see him? Yes. You good? He went down like instantly. Yeah, 30 yards. Which in a bull's pace is like literally three or four seconds. Yeah.

I mean, he, it was crazy how fast he died. But that went right through his heart. The shot, when you pull the arrow out, let's see if you can find the image on Instagram. You can see the heart. Yeah, this is where it was. And I saw him coming right here. And I saw him went down and I drew like this And then he came and he's running right at me. I was right here

And you see I hit him right here, and there's see there's blood This went all the way to right there in the front of his chest Self-defense basically because there's no other trail He's he was looking over the top Rihanna was down there filming and cow calling you gotta go trample easily Look at this blood right here Here to hit him right in the chest almost full penetration then he started bleeding right there and you see on that tree Wow, I mean he just gushed and he went right toward true. It is perfect shot Mm-hmm. shot like when you

want to talk about lethality and a quick ethical kill seconds see if you find the image on Instagram it shows the heart with the arrow poking out of it which is wild because it's got this this Grim Reaper carnivore which is this massive four blade broadhead that just goes through the there it is right there uh it's on a video isn't it yeah i can't control that oh it's okay you can play it and he's holding up the heart there it is you can literally see the arrow poking out of the heart right there that is that is wild i mean that's a perfect shot yeah so that that arrow broke you saw i was holding a broke but that was left in the heart right there crazy yeah i mean that's what we want we

want those animals you know we're trying to offer a merciful death that one in seconds 30 yards he didn't know he didn't know anything yeah you know he's just lost blood pressure done yeah that's as merciful a shot as you could ever give. Yeah. And as you mentioned earlier about the meat, so, you know, yeah, I killed four bulls this year and don't, I don't want anybody to ever think that any of that meat is going to waste. I mean, there's so many people who, uh, love wild game meat, especially now when you're, people are more conscious about where their meat's coming from and to get something that I killed, I took care of myself.

You know, it's, we know exactly where it came from. That's like, that's valuable. That means something. And it's also, it means something, you know, when people, you know, as we say, people go order a burger or a steak or whatever, They get full and they say, I'm stuffed, had too much bread. I'm done with this. So half that steak goes back to the kitchen. That was a fucking life. That life doesn't mean shit to you, but that bowl right there, that means a lot to me. And when I give that meat to somebody that means something, this is like, Oh yeah, this is a bull I killed in Utah. I hope you like it. That fucking means something. You're not going to somebody that means something this is like oh yeah this is a bull i killed in utah i hope you like it that fucking means something you're not going to send that you're not going to throw that shit in the garbage because you're full right it means too much

yeah there's reverence to it that's what so yeah i kill multiple bulls but that that is the the greatest part of being a hunter and a provider is sharing that with your community. I love giving it to people. Love it. I give meat to a lot of people. And I love seeing the images. They send me pictures of like, hey, look, I cooked this. It's awesome.

It's the best. It's cool. And then, you know, it's so delicious too. I mean, wild game. I've said it so many times, but if you can try some of the elk that I cook, you'd be like, oh my God, where can I get this? Well, you got to go hiking. You got to learn how to shoot a bow or a rifle. You have to find someone who's willing to teach you. You have to, you know, you have to put in work. What I love about, I mean, there's so much I love about sharing our lifestyle, but when I have people come in for the lift run shoot is they train with me they learn

how to shoot a bow and everything but then we always have elk chili oh and like uh huberman came in i think he had three bowls of it and i'm like yeah this shit is fucking fuel this is real fuel yeah you know and this is a bull i killed you know i think that was from the arizona bull that i this is actually oh the last time i had my bling on tanner made this think that was from the Arizona bull that I, this is actually, oh, the last time I had my bling on, Tanner made this. Oh, that's from the Ivories. So he filmed that bull I killed. And it was the biggest bull he's ever seen, you know, his, you know, giant bull. And so he made a necklace for himself and made me one.

Last time I had the CH gold bling. So now I'm like, well, we'll offset that with an ivory. But, uh. Well, do you know Elks used used to have they used to have tusks oh yeah i think they did yeah that's where it comes from that ivory at one point in time was a massive tusk that elks used to have and then they evolved it's so it's so cool it's so cool just like i mean you know bow hunting especially well not just elk anything but it means so much yeah and it's just like it's it's who i am you know so when it's something that that is that meaningful and you can share that um another example of that was i took kat bradley she's a elite ultra runner and she killed her first buck. And it's like the,

the most special part. I haven't made a film on that yet, but, uh, is she, we had to run, we had to do the stock and the rain hustle. She made a perfect shot. Um, we had to pack that. She, she had some weight on her back, packed out of this steep hole, worked her ass off. It was just like the perfect time. Then we took care of the meat, did everything, got up the next morning. We're in this little cabin and made tenderloins, cut that up, cooked the tenderloins, eggs, hash browns, and bacon. And it's just like, can you, I mean, after working your ass off on a hunt, killing a buck, having a meal like that, listening to old country music radio, just like crackling on this AM radio that was in that cabin. It's like, I, I don't know if there's anything I'd rather do in

life. I swear to God, people could offer me anything. And I'd say, I just rather do in life. I swear to God people could offer me anything and I'd say I just rather have this morning right here This this yeah, it's cuz it's earned. It's it's so it's real real Yeah, and when we were out there in the mountain and standing in and we were fucking soaked. It was pouring She killed this buck And I had you know me and my buddy Kevin broke it all down gutted it We had to actually skinned it and quartered it up right there to pack it out because it's such a hole. But I'm like looking, and we were just soaked and freezing,

and I'm just like, this is life. This is how life is supposed to be. All this other bullshit, all this around here, that's not fucking real. This is real. Right. Out hunting. Primal primal killing what you're gonna eat and packing it out of the mountains that's fucking real and earning it you earn that and it's everything else is like a distraction over real life that's why that buck's on the

table that's the first uh animal i killed with steven montana i remember that just from hearing you talk about it and how meaningful it is. Your first buck in Montana and you didn't make a great shot, did you? Yeah. It was a good shot, but I had to do a follow-up shot. He went down, but he was spined. Oh, okay. That's what it was.

And I made a follow-up shot. And you could see the follow-up shot on the video where it's like the intensity and the emotions of the moment. But I remember, I haven't even seen that, i haven't seen that show but i remember that's now that's stories you remember because that's real yeah it's real and you you ate that yeah didn't you guys cook it oh yeah we ate it that night we ate the liver with liver with onions that night why brian callan pulled thorns out of my thigh because uh i when I got down prone to make the shot, I laid down right on a cactus, and I just cactus thorns all over my leg.

I had like fucking 40 thorns in my leg, and it was hilarious because we're by the campfire, and I'm going like this. I got my pants down, and Callan's got fucking pliers, and he's pulling thorns out of my legs. We cooked the liver liver we ate the liver that night and then um we went back because we we shot it late in the afternoon so we gutted it hung it uh got the organs out and then brought the organs back to the campfire and cooked the liver that night and then we went back the next day cut the buck down in the morning and then uh

ate it for dinner that night. And then when we were eating it, I was like, this is what I'm doing now. That changed your life, didn't it? 100%. 100%. But it's so hard to get someone to get you to do that. It's so hard. First of all, it's so hard to find someone who has the knowledge, who's willing to take

you and teach you. And I'm forever in debt to Steve and to you for doing that. Who's willing to take you and teach you like and I'm forever in debt to Steve and to you for doing that but to also To want to do that and to have I mean we're camping. It was nine degrees outside It's fucking freezing in Montana. You know, we're on the Missouri breaks It's like you're just walking through these intense canyons But it was it was so difficult that when we did have success the feeling of of elation and joy, it's very difficult to describe. A lot of people, they see these videos of a hunter making a shot and then going like, yeah!

And they go, where is the spirituality? Where is it like you don't understand how hard it is to do that. And the joy is in the fact that you made an ethical shot and the animal is down Like I had a hard hunt in California We went like five six days put in tons of miles every day You know ten ten miles eight miles eleven miles going through the mountains And then when I finally shot that bull and he dropped he was dead in ten seconds. It was like a perfect shot. I bull and he dropped he was dead in 10 seconds it was like a perfect shot I fucking cheered so loud that Evan and Cody the the guys like Evan Evan Hafer

from black rifle coffee who's hanging with me they were on the other side of the mountain and they heard it cuz I just went yeah and you know me and my friend biscuit we hugged and it was like, holy shit, man. We did it. We did it. And it wasn't like I'm happy that this animal is dead now. It was like, no, we were successful. I know how hard it is to do, difficult to do. There was so much adrenaline and tension involved and I had to make a great shot. And I did it.

And so all that hard work all paid off at the end. All the reps all year. It wasn't just that hunt. Yeah. It was like all the reps, the thinking about it, the envisioning that moment. I think about it all the time, dude. I think about it when I'm at the UFC. I'm at the UFC.

I'm about to call a fight. And I'm thinking about like perfect shots. I'm thinking about shooting in between branches of trees. I'm thinking about like wind and fucking angles. And it's well, I mean mean it means so much to me like so on that deer hunt that i took cat on i there's access to this timber company land i pay for that right so i'm paying forty five hundred dollars each and i take two people and it's just like i don't even care i don't even tell them it costs money. I just want to do it because I just want to be out there with somebody, a new hunter and

share my world with them. And it's, I pay just so I'm like, no, I can, I can take them. We can, you know, I can, uh, expose them to the hunting lifestyle the way I want to on this, it's a warehouser land, this timber company land. And, uh, it's maybe it'll change our life. Maybe it won't, but I know I'm going to gain from sharing that with somebody. And that, that means everything to me. I just, you know, filmed it too, which is awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Which is great. So people can watch it and see like the real moments that you guys had together. And even if she never does that again, that experience she will keep with her forever. If that hunt that I had with Ronell was the last hunt I ever had,

I would still be telling people about that today. Oh, it was awesome. We were in the campfire. We were freezing our asses off, eating this animal that we had just shot and eating it, cooking it over a fire, a campfire, and it was so satisfying. Yeah.

It ignites a part of your DNA that you didn't know existed. There's a hunter gatherer aspect to whatever it means to be a human that kept us alive for thousands and thousands of years. And that's inside you. And you don't know it's inside you until you put an animal on the ground and you eat it. And you're like, oh my God. It's like the way i describe it to people most people have been fishing there's a feeling you get when you catch a fish we hook the line yeah whoa you feel it fighting it is inside of you yeah that like this is going to feed me and my family now this is going to feed my loved ones we're going to survive And that's why it's so exciting because it ignites this thing that was imperative for human beings to make it to 2023. You might be able to go to fucking HEB and just buy a ribeye.

That's great. Nothing wrong with that. Yeah. But the reality is that was not always the case. And for us to get to 2023, it had to be people that were doing that shit with bows and arrows that they made themselves They had a knock rocks to make this Where's that for it there right here? Yeah, this is a real fucking arrowhead that the Comanches used from right here This is from right here. I love this. I love the history of someone probably sent that arrow into a whitetail

And then it probably passed through and dug into the dirt and then someone dug it out of the dirt hundreds of years later that's incredible and it's in pristine condition and this was made by some person who painstakingly crafted this so that they could eat that is a perfect head to fucking amazing this thing's amazing what but it's like when you I don't know people who might not think hunting's for them But it's like when you, I don't know, people who might not think hunting's for them, maybe it's not. But when that happens and you do kill, there is almost like the curtains pulled back. Yeah. And you're just like, holy shit.

Yeah. This is, this is, this is how, this is survival. Yeah. And you didn't know it because that curtain's been closed. Right. Until you were, that's why it's so meaningful to me i i buy those two hunts every year and my goal is always take somebody new you know just because it's like i it's it's for me it's not for them but i can like twist it into like it'll help both of us but i just it's enjoying the process of

seeing someone experience it for the first time i love it because you only experience it for the first time once I love it once and as a cat was perfect for that because she got it You know she it meant so much and like that's what you want because obviously she's someone who understands sacrifice and hard work Yes, definitely more than anybody. Mm-hmm Yeah, and as it was uh, I'll never forget it. It was, I seriously think it was the best hunt of my fall. That's awesome. I mean, I had some great hunts, but that's just what hunting, that's the power of hunting.

Yeah. And being part of a, I don't want to say tribe because like people throw it around, but. It's a good word. It is. I think bow hunters, the ones who aren't cunty they are part of a tribe even the ones who are cunty they're in the tribe they just have ego problems yeah it's just wasted energy yeah it's wasted energy like if you want to be upset at someone be upset at the people that litter yeah be upset at the people that leave garbage at their

camp be upset at those people because that's not cool don't be upset at fellow at fellow hunters Right, don't be upset at someone who's trying to spread this message Yeah And then there's the dumbest fucking people that don't like the fact that the trail heads are getting crowded now Because so many people are getting into this well find another trail head stupid There's a lot of trail heads you can go all over the place. You can just with a little bit of research There's all these maps is onyx Hunt and Go Hunt and fucking Hunt and Fool. There's all these places you can get resources to find different places to hunt at. The reason why people like that get a little traction

is because there's a lot of people who don't kill every year. Success is, you know, it's most people fail. So when people fail, they're looking for an excuse. So if this guy or whoever it is gives them an excuse, like, oh yeah, it's too overcrowded because of Joe and Cam talking about it, all of a sudden they're the victim. And like, they got other victims who weren't successful.

So like, yeah, we're all the losers. We can gang up together and talk shit about these guys. Dude, we get that here in Austin. There's local Austin comics that hate on the mothership because the mothership has brought in 15 world-class comedians to town. It's harder for comics that hate on the mothership because the mothership has brought in 15 world-class comedians to town. It's harder for them to get spots now. Guess what's stupid?

This is the greatest opportunity you've ever had in your fucking life. If you rise to the occasion, we'll put you up and make you famous, bitch. Like, come on, man. We want you to be good. We don't want you to be floundering in this fucking area of mediocrity that you've been existing in for so long like yeah the big boys are in town yeah it's good it's good for everybody and people with hunting they like to talk about that everybody should have the same opportunities it's like almost like making it uh hunting socialism yeah you know what i mean right and so well if you

if you work your ass off, shouldn't you get better opportunities than somebody who doesn't do anything? Of course. I mean, but, but if, and also the guy who kind of coins this thing about, um, whatever, everybody should have the same opportunities. It's like, he has a great job, gets tons of vacation. Doesn't he have an advantage over a guy who works in a mill who gets fucking two days off a year? Well, there's a lot of people that complain. But, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

It's just complaining is a normal part of human life when you're looking at other people's success and trying to find flaws in it. But it's very bad for you. And that's what people don't understand. It's not productive. It doesn't help you. And you could disagree or agree with people's approaches. You could think that everyone should only hunt on public land. You could have all these ideas, and you could debate those opinions, and you're more than welcome to.

The problem is when you look to criticize instead of look at the good side of things, there's a lot of good to this. There's a lot of good to what you do. It's more good than anything. this. There's a lot of good to what you do. It's more good than anything. There's, I see no negatives. The educating people about the value of this is very good. And during COVID, that's one of the real times where people realize like, Hey, this food chain's kind of fragile. Like I went to the supermarket, there's no fucking food. Like Duncan texted me. Um, he was at a supermarket in North Carolina where he's living. And he's like, dude, there's no meat. There's no fucking meat. He goes, I got to learn how to hunt. I was like, wow, that is a moment when you have children and you have a family and you start realizing like we might not have nutrition. And they're looking at you and you're the leader of

the family and you're like going, what the fuck am I going to do? Right. And now you realize like, oh my God, I need another skill. I'm susceptible. Yeah. Yeah. We're all vulnerable. Yeah. And, you know, obviously for the most part, we're not. Obviously for the most part, we do have supermarkets. We do have food and that's all great and everything. But we're trying to tell you that there is another way that's vastly more rewarding. It might not be available to you because you might not have the time. You might have a job that requires you to work 51 weeks a year.

Then you have a family and a lot of obligations. And I understand, but don't hate on people that can. Yeah, exactly. It's stupid. It's just a waste of your time. It's a waste of everybody's time. And you're just going to get a bunch of losers that like you. Yeah. Cause they're going to be like, yeah, socialism's awesome. I know it's, it's crazy. It's, uh, yeah, I don't know. I feel, I mean, it's one reason why if we can educate people like when Andrew comes or like the other, quote, outliers I've had on who might not be hunters but can go and take these, the lessons archery teaches you and maybe we talk about hunting. And then they go back to their peer groups or whatever it is, their constituents. And they're saying, well, actually I did learn this about hunting. And, and so we're, and your podcast has done that, obviously, you know, educated so many people who don't know anything about hunting on the benefits to it, but it's I, I don't know. It's so important. And we're not saying everybody

needs to hunt, but just have a but just have an honest take on it. Yeah, and I think that there's real value in doing something that's very difficult, whether it's hunting or ultramarathon running or jujitsu or whatever it is that you choose to approach. There's real value in doing difficult things. And the thing about bowhunting that makes it so special to me is that it requires so much of you. And so that when you are successful, it's so rewarding. It's insanely rewarding. It's rewarding on a different level that most people don't understand. And many people never get to experience in life. They never get to experience that moment where you have to make this split-second decision, and you're drawing on an animal, and you have one arrow to make this happen.

Yeah. You have one arrow, and it might be 65 yards away. And that fucking pin's moving around. You've got to settle that pin and settle your heart rate. And you have to be confident in your training and then release that perfect arrow. And when you watch it to this day when the happiest moments of my life was you and i i know it's the picture right out here that photo with that that elk was 67 yards and you're like drop back drop back take them buddy and it just you see that arrow with that lighted knock just sail and shwop and hit perfectly.

Oh, God. And, you know, if you didn't know how much that meant and how much pressure that was and how much was riding on it, we were like smiling and hugging and I love you. Yeah. And like if you didn't understand, you'd look at that and go, what is wrong with these guys? Right. Right. But there's so much writing on it yeah and so it's just that you know you achieve this monumental goal with somebody sharing it with

people you care about because colton was there too yeah and uh it's i mean until you've been there it's you probably shouldn't criticize because if you were there you'd understand it's hard for people to understand also because a lot of people's exposure to hunting has been hunting television shows right so if you watch a television show basically they're preaching to the converted already and they're doing these shows for other hunters and who are going to understand this and they're condensing a seven eight nine day trip into 22 minutes. And out of those 22 minutes, like there's 35 seconds, 45 seconds of the shot

and the animal running away and then dropping and then everybody cheering. And it's just a disproportionate experience for people that are watching it. You're not getting how hard it is. You're not getting the eight, 10 miles in the mountains with elevated heart rate and how exhausted you are at the end of the day when your legs feel like rubber and you're pounding electrolytes and you're fucking eating like a starving person and then you look at your watch

like i better go to bed right now because i gotta get up at four hours asleep yeah i gotta go to bed right now and then you get up and you do it all over again you drink some coffee and you get out there and you you know you check your site you check your bow and you, you know, you check your site, you check your bow, let's go, you know, and people that have never experienced that, they're, they're, they're not going to understand it. But I think you do an amazing job of, of, of relaying it to people where they kind of get a glimpse without actually experiencing it. They kind of understand it from your passion, from your, your ability to explain to explain it your ability to like be like totally honest about the emotions and the feeling the dedication the hard work and what's required of it it's not a fucking easy thing to do and even rifle hunting rifle hunting is not easy it's easier than bow hunting but it is not fucking easy it's hard yeah it's uh you know that presentation

especially nowadays is important and i i i was reminded of this you know went and trained with rich froning in nashville and uh he's bow hunting too now right he's bow hunting but he killed a bear with a rifle in colorado and he put up he's getting death threats and everything because he's a crossfit you know world's fittest man four times he's a complete freak but he's like been enamored with hunting now and so he killed this bear this year a big bear in Colorado big boar and uh he had a picture because he worked his ass off he got you know didn't kill a bull I think the last two years ass off. He got, you know, didn't kill a bull. I think the last two years, uh, killed a cow with a rifle, but just, you know, a hard hunting is, and he's just trying to learn on his own out there. And so he gets this bear killed. He's happy. He's got a picture of this big bear and a big smile.

And I just told him, I said, that is hard. That's hard for people. And I learned the hard way. It's like I made the same mistake too. So now I build a story. I share the animals out there, the country out there. I don't share the kill shot until after I've shared breaking it down and the meat and what it means. And then at the end of all that, you'll see the kill shot. But because he's a new hunter and he's just was fired up, he's a big smile with that bear. And that's the post. Yeah.

And no fault of his. Anybody would do that. But with social media, it's like they'll crucify you if that's all. And especially with the bear. And I told him, you know, obviously he knows now. I didn't have to tell him anything. But bear and i told him you know obviously he knows now i didn't have to tell him anything but bear and lions it's a rough one you bet yeah you better be explaining that whole journey yeah before you get to that kill shot and you know i feel bad because nobody wants to read that you know they want to kill you or kill your family because you killed some animal. But it's, it's just, I've learned over the years that it's, I mean, you just,

there's so many people go like my page, we'll get to 30 million people in a week. There's 14 million hunters. That means most of those people aren't hunters. I better be explaining part of it to them too you know and so that's that's the odds are that all 14 million hunters are looking at it that's small too yeah so there's probably only a couple million hunters right right most of it's probably non-hunters right so it's like we have to think about that yeah like his group a crossfig group of course they all eat meat you know you can't have that muscle but they still don't hunt. So it's like that dance of explaining.

And now he's so enamored with it. Like most his podcasts now are hunting. So people are like, wait, is this are you the CrossFit guy or the hunter? You know, he just loves hunting now. It's all he thinks about. Well, he's a strong man. He's got a strong mind. He can navigate this.

But that is a. Oh, he's fine with it. He's got a strong mind. He can navigate this. But that is a- Oh, he's fine with it. He's fine. A great message the way you describe the way you have a process for it. And I've seen your process evolve over the years where you realize, okay, let me lay this out in the best way possible where people are going to really understand as much as they can from social media posts. much as they can from social media because without a podcast and people talking without videos of you actually being and the video literally should be eight days long video literally should be the amount of time

an accurate portrayal yeah or at least a day like you should see like what's involved in the stock and all that stuff like nobody would want to watch it because it fucking takes forever everybody wants to cut to the chase yeah like when does the elk come into the canyon? When did he see it?

When do you make the stalk? Yeah, like, even that, most people wouldn't show, like, on that bull I killed in Arizona, I hit a little back, and I caught the lung and the liver, and he went up, and I thought he was going to go die right there.

I thought at first it was perfect until I looked at, reviewed the footage, but I had to shoot him again. Most people making hunting TV wouldn't have showed all that. They would have showed the one shot, went up to the animal dead. Yeah. I wanted to show that, you know, there's, it weighed, it was like killing me seeing that animal not dying like that. And then a bear walked right below him, got him up. He was on the verge of death.

A bear got his adrenaline jacked up again. And then he moved off like 30 yards. And I'm just like, it was just killing me. So I took my boots off, snuck up there to 72 and shot him. But that was real. there to 72 and shot him but that was real yeah and most people don't see real because we've we've watered down what we show on tv to make it fit this oh you know made a good shot animal died after 50 yards and seconds that doesn't always happen unfortunately well and also like just the consumption of meat in general most people have never been to a slaughterhouse.

Most people have never seen it, including me. I've never seen a cow get a bolt in the head. Yeah, it's terrible. And I've eaten so many cows. It's terrible. The process used to be absolutely normal. If someone saw that you had venison and you described the kill, they're like, yeah, that's what you do. That is how you get venison.

That is the only way to get our meat. And everyone did it forever until the last hundred years, which is so crazy that it's become controversial over the last hundred years. Only now when we have other options and life's so comfortable. And places where it's not normal to hunt, but yet the average consumption of meat is very high, like the UK or Brazil. And Brazil, I have friends that have posted photos that are from all around the world, and they get hate from these people from Brazil, which they're famous for steakhouses.

Yeah, I know Brazil's steakhouse. Brazil and Chilascarias are amazing. All the meat you want. Yeah, literally all you can eat meat. Yeah, yeah. But they don't have a history of hunting., but they don't have a history of hunting. So because they don't have a history of hunting, they don't understand it. And they don't, they don't.

Why would you do that when you could just go to the supermarket? And I, and I say that it's terrible with the cow with the bolt through the head. I just feel bad. I don't like watching even the animals I kill. I don't like watching them die. Yeah. I don't, I, I love animals. Yeah.

So when I say it's, it's, it's awful for the cow, it's just, I feel bad for so when i say it's it's it's awful for the cow it's just i feel bad for it that's it that's it i understand it has to happen i mean i kill myself but it's like doesn't mean that i enjoy the act of killing no no one enjoys the act of killing you enjoy the success and the meat and the fact that it's done quickly and cleanly and you know we've been guilty of this before like kind of kind of uh um mentioning uh factory farms and not giving credit to ranchers that do it right so it's not like every cattle operation is terrible right i've had a bunch of ranchers on to sort of try to correct that so it's not that when i said it's terrible i don't want i don't want any negative because

there's some great ranchers out there. Beef is like the staple of the meat that we eat here in this country. So we've got to do it right. Yeah, but it's just a symptom of the culture that we live in that most of the time it's not done right. That's what's so crazy. What's so crazy is people like my friend Will Harris who runs White Oak Pastures. Yeah, I saw that book right there. Yeah, he's amazing.

I mean, that guy really, really put in effort. It took him 20 years to convert his family farm from an industrial farm to a regenerative farm. It took immense resources and time, and they knew it was going to make them less money. And he still did it. And he did it, and he's out there preaching the gospel and telling people that this is the way nature

is supposed to be handled. And that what he does at his farm, which is an amazing place, is he recreates nature in a contained environment. And these animals all live naturally. The pigs live naturally. The chickens live naturally. I mean, he was explaining the entire process of it.

It's incredible. It's incredible. And it's very difficult to do. And what he's done is pretty amazing. And he has friends that are running these industrial farms that are right next to him. And the difference in the impact, when you see the impact that it has on the river system that he has near him, the difference between his river with a runoff from his farm, which is nothing, to the one next to it just like completely pollutes the river. And there's no regulations on that.

There's no regulations on how much herbicides and pesticides and fucking industrial fertilizer just gets washed into the streams and chokes the fish to death. No one's paying attention to that. Well, he's doing it right. That guy's doing it right. And kudos to that. He's doing it right. That guy's doing it right. And kudos to him. And I try to highlight those people as much as possible. It's him or Joel Salatin who runs Polyface Farms. And there's a bunch of great regenerative ranchers in here in Texas. And, you know, we get Rome Ranch.

And, you know, we get a lot of our meat if we buy steaks. We try to get it from those places. It's just. I'm getting fucking hungry. I'm getting hungry too. Before we wrap up i gotta say one one more thing okay we gotta we gotta give credit to jelly roll i love that i love jelly roll no we talked about him last time and i think we even listened to his songs but

i finally saw him live oh he's amazing at the opry he was like the fucking i mean i could if i think about how nice he is i would i could almost i don't want to say i'm gonna cry but it's like he is so nice dude yeah he's like he he treated me like family yeah i mean he was we went out to dinner and then even after the show he's just like he goes what would you think of my family i mean he cares yeah he is such a big-hearted person and i'm it was amazing how welcoming and kind and thoughtful and puts on an amazing show talks to the people like makes people cry when he's talking to him in between songs because he's so heartfelt yeah he's been through so much but he's talking to him in between songs, cause he's so heartfelt. Yeah. He's been through so much, but he's like, I don't. It was you and him and Nelly.

That's awesome. And I don't know how, you know, I don't know how he was back in the day, you know, but all I know is I know he made mistakes. I know he's been in jail. I know he's whatever, but now I don't know a nicer word. I don't know a better person. Yeah. He's been through a lot.

He's incredible. And he came out on the other end an amazing person. He's fucking nominated for two Grammys. I know. Isn't he crazy? What a journey. What a journey. I mean, I just-

Just look at him. Like, you would never imagine. Look at that guy. When you hear him sing, you're like, whoa. No, and what, you know, Tanner mentioned this too. He's, when people first see him, they're like, oh, he's got tattoos on his face. Tanner says, after you get to talk, he goes, you don't even see the tattoos. Right.

You see this pure soul. Yeah. And it's like, what tattoos? Yeah. I fucking don't see shit. So you get distracted by that at first. But when you talk to him and realize what know what a loving person he is you're like i don't see anything i see just this big-hearted man that's the same thing with post malone yeah

yeah you got to meet him he's amazing i love that dude to death he's so fucking talented too we saw him perform in houston my wife and i flew to houston to watch one of his shows really i was and then we're hanging out with him afterwards he Yeah. He wants to play Magic the Gathering. I don't know. Those artists, I just, I don't know. They're different people, but they're so, I don't know. It's pretty inspiring. Yeah, he's very inspiring.

When he gave me that platinum record and we posted it out there, you saw it. I can't believe it. I did. It was incredible. What a great gift. Well, and here's another thing too he said when he was a kid he used to dream about having records like that you know like have it all and and he goes now he goes now he goes what i want so we went to the

show at the opry but then the next day i had to go oh train with rich but then he said you know can you meet for lunch at the cell house or whatever? And I said, yeah. So he's like, I want you to sign my book. He's like, because or your book, he had my endure book. And he's like, I used to think that I wanted records on the wall. He goes, but now I want a book signed by you. That's what, that's what I want. And he had like gloves from, uh, I think a fight. Um, I can't And he had like gloves from, I think, a fight. I can't remember whose gloves, like UFC gloves. But it's like, that's what means something to him now.

Not the personal accolades. Right. But I just, God, I can't talk enough positive about that guy. He's such a warm soul. Incredible. The first time I met him, I met him at the mothership. He came there to see Ron White. And that was when the club had first opened.

And I was kind of there just hanging out, making sure everything was running right. Because we had just gotten open. And then they said, hey, Jelly Roll's here to see Ron White. And then you know where the green room is at the club? He was coming up the stairs. And I was walking out. And I saw him. And he just goes, what's up? Just a big, giant hug. I I'm like, oh my God, this guy's everything I hoped he would be.

He's amazing. There's beautiful people in the world, man. You meet him. He's one of them. They change the way you feel about the way you interact with people. He makes me, that's what I said when I got home. It makes me want to be a better person. Yes. Because I saw how he treated everyone. Like there'd be people on the sidewalk and there'd be like, you know, these little old women and are not old, probably my age.

Fuck. What am I talking about? But like, so like caught off guard, like, oh my God, jelly rolls here. And he's like, what's up mama? How are you doing? How are you doing tonight? Give him a big hug. Just like looking them in the eye and just the sweetest person just some some person walking by

Yeah, because that's a guy where life gave him a fucking terrible hand and he got through it and he came out on the other End and now he's amazing You know now it's like this amazing journey that he can like really truly appreciate every aspect of it And he's so good at expressing that he's so good at expressing that. He's so good at spreading that love, spreading that positivity. And it really does make you want to be a better person. It makes me want to be a better person, both him and post. They make me want to be nicer to everybody. And I try real hard to be nice to everybody. You do a great job. You do, you do amazing job, but it's like, you don't do as good as him.

No, it's like there's there's levels there's levels to everything it's just like yeah his i think his eyes are just so kind too yeah because it's like what i see and we said this the last time but like you see the pain he's you see pain in his eyes still a little bit yeah or i do yeah do. Yeah. Or I don't know. You see it in his music. You hear it. You hear it. You hear it for sure. You can't be that soulful unless you've experienced some dark, dark, dark times.

I mean, there's some magic to the way he sings that I just don't – you don't get that from a trust fund, baby. No. You get that from a hard life, man, and coming out on the other side as this beautiful creation of love and creativity and that's that dude that's the real thing man that's not an act, that's him 24-7 and it's amazing

and it's very inspirational and it's very good for everybody it's good for everybody he encounters he was like he was so busy after the show and they had to do a promo stuff at the, after the Opry. So we took off and then he told me, he's like, he goes, oh, he goes, I didn't, you know, I didn't get to say goodbye to Tanner. I took Tanner to the show and his girlfriend. And he's like, I said, I think you said goodbye.

He's like, oh, I didn't give him like a good hug to say goodbye. And he's like, I mean, thinking about even that. I know. Just about my son. There he is. Did you see his speech at the end? Yeah. Oh, did you see that?

Let's play this. We can end with the speech because this speech is fucking incredible. I think it's queued up. You got a second, and I'm going to say a lot, and I'm sorry, but the quickest I can say it is thank you to the label, Stony Creek Management, John Loba, Joe Jamie, you saved my life. Country Radio, what's up, baby? I got a thousand people to thank you, but most importantly, my Lord and my wife, I love you so much, you changed my life, baby. Megan Parker, Haley, I love all y'all.

We're friends. Zach Brown, I think you are one of the hottest things on earth, not just country music. You deserve this as much as anybody else. I love you. I'm glad we're sitting here partying the rest of the night, baby. But most importantly, there is something poetic about a 39-year-old man winning New Artist of the Year.

I don't know where you're at in your life or what you're going through, but I want to tell you to keep going, baby. I want to tell you success is on the other side of it. I want to tell you it's going to be okay. I want to tell you that the windshield is bigger than the rearview mirror for a reason. Because what's in front of you is so much more important than what's behind you. Let's party, Nashville! Fuck yeah.

Gives me chills. He's a preacher. That's what I told him. He's a preacher. I said, dude, if this music thing doesn't work out, you could be a preacher. 100%. Because we prayed at dinner and then before a show. And it was just like the most incredible prayer I've ever heard.

And I'm just like, your calling might be to be a preacher. Well, he's kind of doing it through his music and it's reaching more people that way. So powerful. I love that guy. I love that guy too. I love you too. Likewise. Bye everybody. ......... Bye.